A Video Game Analogy to Our Energy Predicament

The way the world economy is manipulated by world leaders is a little like a giant video game. The object of the game is to keep the world economy growing, without too many adverse consequences to particular members of the world economy. We represent this need for growth of the world economy as being similar to making a jet airplane fly at ever-higher altitudes.

Figure 1. Author’s view of the situation we are facing. World leaders look at their video screens and adjust their controllers to try to make the world economy fly at ever-higher levels.

World leaders look at their video game screens for indications regarding where the world economy is now. They also want to see whether there are specific parts of the economy that are doing badly.

The game controllers that the world leaders have are somewhat limited in the functions they can perform. Typical adjustments they can make include the following:

  • Add or remove government programs aimed at providing jobs for would-be workers
  • Add or remove government sponsored pension plans and payments to those without jobs
  • Add or remove laws regulating efficiencies of new vehicles
  • Change who or what is taxed, and the overall level of taxation
  • Through the above mechanisms, change government debt levels
  • Change interest rates

There are numerous problems with this approach. For one thing, the video game screen doesn’t give a very complete picture of what is happening. For another, the aspects of the economy that can be controlled are rather limited. Furthermore, the situation is very complex–there seem to be several “sides” of the economy that need to “win” at the same time, for the economy to continue to grow: (a) oil importers and oil exporters, (b) businesses and their would-be customers, (c) governments and their would-be taxpayers, and (d) asset holders and the would-be buyers of these assets, such as families needing new homes.

An even bigger problem is a physics problem that is hidden from the view of those operating the control mechanism. Jet airplanes in the real world cannot rise beyond a certain altitude (varying depending upon the plane), because the atmosphere becomes “too thin.” There is a parallel problem in the economic world. The atmosphere that allows an economy to grow is provided by a combination of (a) an increasing supply of cheap-to-produce energy, and (b) increased technology to put this growing energy supply to use. This atmosphere can become too thin for several reasons, including the higher cost of energy production, rising population, and growing wage disparity.

We know that in the real world, a jet airplane cannot rise ever-higher. Instead, at some point, the airplane hits what has been called its “coffin corner.”

Figure 2. Diagram of Coffin Corner by Aleks Udris of Boldmethod. On the chart, Vs is the velocity; MMO is the Maximum Mach Number.

According to Aleks Udris, “The region is deadly. Get too slow, and you’ll stall the jet at high altitude. Get too fast, and you’ll exceed your critical mach number. The air over your wings will go supersonic, you’ll pitch down, the aircraft will accelerate, and your wings will fall off. Also bad.”

What Happens As Coffin Corner Limits Are Reached in the Economic World?

What do world leaders do, as the world economy hits limits? One temptation is for the world leaders in Figure 1 to take their foot off the throttle that is operated by low interest rates and more debt, because they don’t seem to be providing very much benefit anymore. The leaders fear that if more debt is added at low interest rates, it risks creating “asset bubbles” that are easily disturbed if any little bump to the economy occurs. If a big bubble pops, there is a significant risk that the economy could fall down to a much lower level. This is like stalling the jet at high altitude.

World leaders can also use approaches that create situations more like “making the wings come off” the economy. These approaches involve favoring one group over another. For example, a government can give big tax breaks to businesses, but raise taxes on individual citizens. Businesses will ultimately be harmed by this approach, because they depend on individual citizens for their sales. The result is like tearing the wings off the airplane.

Another approach that would tear the wings off the economy involves actions by a different group of world leaders than those shown in Figure 1, namely the leaders from OPEC and Russia. These leaders have different video game screens and different game controllers. They can manipulate the world economy by reducing the supply of oil they provide. With this approach, they hope to increase the price of oil, and thus obtain a larger share of the world’s goods and services through higher tax revenue.

Raising the oil price would benefit oil exporters, but would make goods and services more expensive for oil importing countries. Ultimately, this approach would lead to recession in oil importing nations. The result would likely be worse than the 2008-2009 recession–another way to make the wings come off the economy.

Let’s look in a little more detail at what is happening, and what goes wrong:

[1] Energy plays a huge role in this game, because a growing supply of cheap-to-produce energy allows greater worker productivity.

It takes energy of various types to make the economy grow, because energy is needed whenever we move something, or heat something, or use electricity to operate something. We use energy products to leverage our human labor. For example, we use a truck to deliver a package, rather than walking and carrying the item in our hands. If fresh water is in short supply, we use energy to operate a desalination plant, and thus produce the fresh water we need.

It is generally workers who produce goods and services. If energy supply is inexpensive and readily available, it is easy for governments or businesses to create “tools” to make these workers more productive. These tools include such things as roads, vehicles, machines of all types, and even computers. If the quantity and capability of these tools are increasing, the labor of these workers is increasingly leveraged by the availability of these tools. This is what allows economic growth.

[2] The extent of world economic growth seems to depend primarily on how quickly total energy consumption is growing

If we look at historical economic growth, we see that the rate of growth of energy consumption seems to play a major role.

Figure 3. World GDP growth compared to world energy consumption growth for selected time periods since 1820. World real GDP trends for 1975 to present are based on USDA real GDP data in 2010$ for 1975 and subsequent. (Estimated by author for 2015.) GDP estimates for prior to 1975 are based on Maddison project updates as of 2013. Growth in the use of energy products is based on a combination of data from Appendix A data from Vaclav Smil’s Energy Transitions: History, Requirements and Prospects together with BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2015 for 1965 and subsequent.

The highest rates of world economic growth took place in the 1950-1965 period, and in the 1965-1975 period. These were both periods of very high growth in energy consumption. As we will see below, these were both periods when the price of oil was less than $20 per barrel, for almost the entire period.

If we look at economic growth over shorter periods, we also see a strong correlation between world economic growth and growth in energy consumption:

Figure 4. World growth in energy consumption vs. world GDP growth. Energy consumption from BP Statistical Review of World Energy, 2017. World GDP is GDP in US 2010$, as compiled by World Bank.

[3] On Figure 4 (above), the widening gap between GDP growth and energy consumption since 2013 could either represent (a) Much greater efficiency in using energy or (b) A problem in measuring true economic growth.

We can see true efficiency improvements in the 1975-1985 and the 1985-1995 periods shown on Figure 3. These were the periods when the world was truly trying to “get away from oil,” after a spike of high prices in the 1970s. Governments around the world were encouraging new smaller cars; electricity generation was being changed from oil to nuclear; home heating was being changed from oil to natural gas or electricity. The new furnaces installed were much more efficient than the old ones. Thus, during this period, efficiency/technology improvements were aiding economic growth to a greater extent than usual.

Now, in the period since 2013, much of the “low hanging fruit” has already been picked. We may still be finding some technology gains, but it seems likely that at least part of the problem is an “economic growth counting problem.” GDP looks like it is growing, but it is really very hollow economic growth. Governments invest in projects of essentially no value, and their investment is counted as GDP. For example, they invest in unneeded roads, in apartments that citizens cannot really afford, in educational institutions that do not produce graduates with wages that are sufficiently high to pay for education’s high cost, and in high-priced medical cures that are unaffordable by 99% of the population. Are these things truly contributions to GDP?

We also find businesses that look like they are growing, but in fact are taking on increasing amounts of debt as they sell off assets. This is not a sustainable model! We encounter energy companies that claim to be doing “sort of” alright, but their profits are so low that they need to cut back on new investment, and they need to borrow in order to have funds to pay dividends to shareholders. There is something seriously wrong with this growth!

[4] The economic “atmosphere” becomes thinner and thinner, when oil prices rise above an inflation-adjusted price of $20 per barrel.

Back in the time period prior to 1973, oil prices were generally below $20 per barrel, in inflation adjusted terms. Since then, prices have tended to be above this level.

Figure 5. Historical oil prices are Brent oil prices in 2016$ from BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2017; $20 per barrel is the maximum price level where oil is truly affordable; and $300 per barrel is the maximum price per barrel that the International Energy Agency seems to believe is possible for the world economy.

When oil (and other energy prices) were very low, companies could add tools to make workers more effective with little expenditure. As a result, the United States saw wages growing much more rapidly than inflation prior to 1968 (Figure 6).

Figure 6. Chart comparing income gains by the top 10% to income gains by the bottom 90% by economist Emmanuel Saez. Based on an analysis of IRS data, published in Forbes.

Once prices of oil started rising, prices of tools (broadly defined) rose. Governments and companies needed more debt to buy these tools. It became more of a burden to add capital goods of all kinds. Governments tried to raise GDP by adding debt, but to a significant extent they ended up with higher debt to GDP ratios rather than the rapid growth they were looking for (Figure 7).

Figure 7. Worldwide average inflation-adjusted annual growth rates in debt and GDP, for selected time periods. See post on debt for explanation of methodology.

The changes in the economy that allowed continued growth (more debt and more technology) tended to push the economy toward more wage disparity, in part because more technology required more training for some of the workers, but not for others. This allowed wages of the workers with special training to rise.

Furthermore, the need to repay debt with interest tended to funnel wealth toward the financial sector, and toward those within the economy who could afford to hold financial assets. These changes left less of the output of the economy for non-elite workers.

Economists never really understood what was happening. They had never thought through the important role that energy plays in the economy. Cheap energy is needed to create jobs. It is jobs, and the wages that those jobs pay, that tend to suffer when oil prices are too high (Figure 8). Thus, high-priced oil has a double impact on the economy:

  1. It makes goods of many kinds more expensive.
  2. It reduces job availability and wages.

Figure 8. Average wages in 2012$ compared to Brent oil price, also in 2012$. Average wages are total wages based on BEA data adjusted by the CPI-Urban, divided by total population. Thus, they reflect changes in the proportion of population employed as well as wage levels.

Logic would suggest that the economy cannot really operate on high-priced oil. Lower wages and higher prices do not peacefully coexist! We should expect high oil prices to be very unstable. Even if prices can reach a high level in response to a specific shortage or stimulus, we cannot expect these high prices to be maintained for a sustained period, without added stimulus. Unstable high prices are not likely to give rise to more oil production; they cannot be depended upon.

Economists have never understood this situation. Instead, they have made pronouncements that at some point in the future, they expect that oil would become scarce. Because of this scarcity, oil prices would rise. In their view, when oil prices rise, high-priced substitutes would suddenly become the best option available; somehow, the economy would become able to operate using these high-priced substitutes. (If energy products were not needed for labor productivity, this view might make some sense. In the real world, it does not.)

It never occurred to organizations such as the International Energy Association (IEA) that high oil prices might be a problem for the economy. The IEA has shown exhibits suggesting that oil prices could theoretically rise to $300 per barrel. Of course, at such an elevated price, there would be an almost unlimited amount of oil available to extract (Exhibit 9).

Figure 9. IEA Figure 1.4 from its World Energy Outlook 2015, showing how much oil can be produced at various price levels.

[5] The real enemies of continued economic growth are (a) diminishing returns with respect to oil and other energy production, (b) continued population growth, and (c) increasing wage and wealth disparity. 

We seem to be playing a video game where the players don’t understand who the real enemies are.

Diminishing returns with respect to oil and other energy production have to do with the cost of energy extraction rising ever-higher, as more resources are extracted. There are a lot of resources that we can “see,” but that we cannot economically extract, unless prices rise to very high levels.

Figure 9. My version of the resource triangle for oil. Note that oil shale is not the same as tight oil, found in shale formations. Oil shale is kerogen that must be processed at very high temperatures in order to produce oil. This is rarely done, because of the high processing cost. Tight oil is not on this chart. Tight oil probably would be above “onshore heavy oil; oil sands.” It still would disappear, if oil prices permanently fell to $20 per barrel or less.

Continued population growth is a problem because it is really “energy per capita” that matters. Each individual needs food, transportation, and housing. All of these things take energy. Many years ago, when most of the workers were farmers, it was necessary to create ever-smaller farms, as population rose. This clearly would lead to lower food production per farmer, unless some sort of technological breakthrough was taking place at the same time. Today, we have a parallel issue.

Increasing wage disparity tends to be associated with the rising use of technology. When most labor is hand labor, workers truly do “pay each other’s wages.” All wages can be fairly equal. With increased technology, some workers have specialized training; others do not. Some workers are supervisors; others are laborers. Unless the overall output of the economy is rising very rapidly, non-elite workers find themselves increasingly unable to afford the output of the economy. It is this falling “demand” (really affordability) that tends to pull an economy downward.

[6] High oil prices can be temporarily tolerated by an economy, if interest rates are lowered to make this arrangement work.

Clearly, lower interest rates make capital goods of all kinds more affordable to both businesses and individual workers. If we look back at the period since 1981, we see a long period of falling interest rates, acting to stimulate the economy.

When oil prices exceeded $20 per barrel, the economy did not collapse immediately. In “normal” times, lowering interest rates was sufficient stimulus to keep the economy growing (Figure 4).

Figure 10. Ten-year treasuries through Nov. 17, 2017. Chart produced by FRED.

When there is a very big drop in oil prices (as in 2008, related to falling debt levels), then Quantitative Easing (QE) has been helpful (Figure 11). The US began its program of QE in late 2008, when oil prices were near their low point. There were three phases of the US’s QE. The US discontinued the third phase in late 2014, just as oil prices started to slide again.

Figure 11. Monthly Brent oil prices with dates of US beginning and ending QE.

[7] It is quite possible for a disconnect to occur between (a) the cost of oil extraction, and (b) the selling price of oil.

Oil that costs more than $20 per barrel is never very affordable by the economy. It really needs continual stimulus to keep prices at an elevated level. Once debt growth falls too low, the balance between the supply and demand for oil is settled in the direction of the amount of goods and services made with oil that non-elite workers can afford. Prices fall below the cost of production. This seems to be what has happened since 2014.

[8] In fact, since 2014, the selling prices of oil, natural gas, and coal have all fallen below the cost of extraction.

Figure 12. Price per ton of oil equivalent, based on comparative prices for oil, natural gas, and coal given in BP Statistical Review of World Energy. Not inflation adjusted.

It is popular to think that the reason why oil prices are too low is because of overproduction by the United States or Saudi Arabia. When a person stops to realize that essentially the same situation arises for all three fossil fuels, a person begins to understand that there likely is an affordability issue underlying the low prices for all three fuels. The affordability issue, of course, arises because energy supply is not rising quickly enough because (at over $20 per barrel), it is too expensive to be truly affordable. The “atmosphere is too thin” at today’s high cost of energy extraction.

9. Coal production seems to have “peaked” because at today’s low prices, few mines find the extraction of coal profitable.

It is popular in “Peak Oil” circles to believe as the economists do: oil and other energy prices can rise endlessly, because of growing “demand.” Economists have never stopped to think that at any given price, there is an affordability issue for customers. If prices drop too low, there is a profitability issue for those operating extraction facilities.

If we look at the situation with coal, we see a situation where peak production seems to have been reached because of low prices. China has closed down mines because falling prices have made mines that were previously profitable, unprofitable (Figure 13). Coal is the lowest-cost fuel; if it cannot be mined profitably, the world economy has a problem.

Figure 13. China’s energy production, based on data from BP Statistical Review of World Energy, 2017.

In fact, it appears as though we have reached peak coal on a worldwide basis, as a result of low prices (Figure 14). It is hard to see any major production area that can grow substantially in the future, without much higher prices.

Figure 14. World coal production, based on BP Statistical Review of World Energy Data. (For 1965-1980, consumption is substituted for production, because only consumption is given, and imports/exports are likely small.

[10] The world economy needs to be able to keep repaying debt with interest. If world economic growth slows too much, this will not be possible. 

We may already be reaching a “too slow growth limit.” Below this growth limit, it becomes impossible to repay debt with interest, especially if interest rates rise. We may already be reaching this point, based on the lack of growth in energy consumption per capita shown in Figure 15. (Also, as noted in Item [3], it seems quite possible that recent GDP growth indications are overstated.)

Figure 15. Average energy prices (averaging oil, coal, and natural gas) versus the total quantity of energy products consumed per capita, based on BP energy consumption data and UN population data. (Prices have not been inflation adjusted.)

Figure 15 suggests that affordability and price go together. When the world economy is growing rapidly, energy prices tend to rise (as does energy consumption). When energy consumption per capita falls, it is a sign that the world economy is not doing well.

One of the things that confuses matters is the very different economic growth results for different parts of the world. If oil prices are low, this improves economic growth prospects from the point of oil importers, such as the United States and China. This is what our video game players are looking at, not the results for the world as a whole. It is oil exporters, such as Venezuela and Saudi Arabia, who are having problems.

If we look at world news, Venezuela may collapse because of low oil prices. Saudi Arabia has found it necessary to take on debt, and has undergone regime change, at least partly related to low oil prices. Norway is proposing that its oil and gas fund no longer invest in oil and gas companies, because it expects that there is a significant chance the oil price will not rise high enough to bring companies back to adequate profitability.

[11] The whole “game” has been confused by a lot of not-quite-correct pronouncements from academic circles.

A lot of well-meaning people have tried to solve our energy problems, but haven’t gotten the story right.

Economists have gotten the story pretty much 100% wrong. Energy is very important for the economy. Furthermore, energy prices don’t rise endlessly.

Peak Oilers have confused matters by talking about oil, coal and natural gas being determined by the amount of technically recoverable resources in the ground. This might be true if energy prices could rise endlessly, but clearly they cannot. By following the wrong views of economists, Peak Oilers have led world leaders to believe that far more resources are available to be extracted than really is the case.

People who call themselves Biophysical Economists haven’t really gotten the story correct either. The Biophysical Economists realized that there was a need for a measure for diminishing returns. They put together a measure which they called Energy Returned on Energy Invested. The measure, unfortunately, only “sort of” works. It gives a lot of wrong answers. It does not suggest that oil prices above $20 per barrel are a problem. It also does not suggest that substitutes for oil that are priced above $20 per barrel are a problem. It tends to give a lot of “false positives” when it comes to the question of whether renewables can be substituted for fossil fuels. It seems to suggest that a particular ratio is important, when it is really the total quantity of an energy product available at a very low price that is important.

I should not pick on the Biophysical Economists. There are many others with academic credentials who produce metrics that really aren’t very helpful. Energy payback time is not a very helpful metric, especially from the point of view of deciding whether or not to use a particular device. It is not the energy that the economy must pay back; it is the full cost of manufacturing the device that needs to be recovered, including human labor costs and taxes. In some applications, the cost of mitigating intermittency may also need to be considered.

Even the standard Levelized Cost of Energy calculations can give misleading indications, if they are used on intermittent renewables without taking into account the cost of mitigating the intermittency.


Conclusion

With all of these issues, it is not surprising that world leaders have difficulty playing the energy and economy game. In fact, it is hard to see any winning strategy.

One of the issues that makes the game impossible to win is the fact that all sides must win. A solution that cuts out the oil exporters is a problem for an economy dependent on oil. Any solution that cuts out the workers is a problem, partly because businesses need workers as consumers, and partly because governments need workers as taxpayers.

The reason I have not included any discussion of renewables is because at this point in time, we do not have any renewables that are sufficiently inexpensive and sufficiently scalable to represent a solution.

 

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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1,788 Responses to A Video Game Analogy to Our Energy Predicament

    • JH Wyoming says:

      And with the new tax code the interest on those loans will not be deductible. Another cruel act the R’s have thrown to ‘The People’.

      • Greg Machala says:

        The message I get loud and clear is: “do not go to college, it isn’t worth the expense or time.”

        • A Real Black Person says:

          I think the educational industrial complex has brainwashed the masses into thinking that wealth comes from education. In reality, preexisting wealth is what makes education possible. The amount of wealth can be increased by education, but history has made it very clear that wealth precedes education.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            And in the global and local competition for limited resources… education has often given people an advantage in this competition …

            Not so much any longer…. and not at all … shortly….

            • A Real Black Person says:

              The people who benefit the most from education tend to be the offspring of parents who had been doing well to begin with. There is the odd rags-to-riches story but that involves someone who is an exceptional individual and although everyone knows someone who is an exceptional student—exceptional students are rare. The offspring of affluent parents, even if they are mediocre or just plain unemployable, will likely, never have to do low wage, low status jobs unless they are trying to prove they are “independent” from their parents’ money or connections.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              The real entertainment starts… when the Ivy League types… start to get scared… and start popping Oxyconin.

              We speak of negatives so often on FW…. there are in fact some positives coming down the pipeline as well…

              Oh daddy… life has been so wonderful… what happened daddy…

            • I think the exception is autistic and other disabled children. They tend to do poorly in the job market, but there is a lot of variability. Having well-off parents to look out for them does help them, as well.

  1. JH Wyoming says:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/07/anheuser-busch-preorders-40-tesla-semis.html

    Makers of Budweiser pre-ordered 40 Tesla Semi trucks.

    • JesseJames says:

      “The move is part of Anheuser-Busch’s goal to reduce its operational carbon footprint by 30 percent by 2025”
      Notice they did not buy them because they will save money. Undisclosed are the performance requirements that will have to be met by Tesla.
      Also notice that they can buy carbon credits with this purchase, because the carbon footprint of the electrical energy they will consume is probably not costed properly.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Anheuser-Busch says the trucks will be fully electric and equipped with Tesla’s semi-autonomous pilot system.

      Lies lies lies lies lies….

      We are approaching peak madness…. the centrifuge is beginning to wobble…. brace brace brace… put on your hard hats…. tighten the seat belts….. (meanwhile the green groopies are taking off their seat belts… rejoicing …. finally!!! — dreams are coming true)

    • i1 says:

      They’re drunk.

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  3. Tango Oscar says:

    Bitcoin over $20,000…This is beyond asinine now. We might be watching unraveling in real time now.

    • Greg Machala says:

      Everything is fake. Bitcoin is proving that. Senators are resigning too. Truly amazing times.

      • A Real Black Person says:

        As far as I know, only Al Franken is considering resigning.

        Bitcoin is trend, like “stripper fitness” classes are among millennial (upper class, ) women.

        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-01/signs-market-top-pole-dancing-instructor-now-bitcoin-guru

        EXCERPT:” Pole dancing instructor, Dee Heath, built a successful fitness business in western Sydney teaching “stripper fitness” classes that seem to be in vogue among millennial women.

        But recently, Heath has discovered a new passion: Investing in digital currencies.

        Heath has spent $5,800 on Bitcoin since July and has more than tripled her investment.

        “Look, I love pole dancing but lately my passion has definitely been Bitcoin,” she told SBS News.”

        LOL …passion… Bitcoin probably seems like an area to make money by doing a lot less work than being a pole dancing instructor, to her but she won’t say that.

        • USA Today talks about Senator Al Franken (D-Minn) and Representative Trent Franks (R-Ariz) actually resigning. One is from the Senate and the other is from the House of Representatives, so they don’t exactly offset.

          Another who is being investigated is House Republican Blake Farenthold, from Texas.

          On Tuesday, House Democrat John Conyers retired over sexual harassment claims.

          • A Real Black Person says:

            You’re probably following this a lot more closely than I am.

            The way that sexual harassment seems to be vaguely defined, there are very few confident men in a professional setting that has women in it that HAS NOT been guilty of “sexual harassment” at some point.

            Get ready for some mass layoffs.

            • Over time, it seems like standards change. One survey I saw more or less implied that young people today have higher expectations of how men will act than women did 25 or 50 years ago. What would have passed as a friendly pat years ago is now considered disrespectful.

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    Come and get your lies – read all about — a big fat lie this morning – come and get your lies!!!

    General Electric Co. plans to cut 12,000 jobs in its power business as the company’s new leaders look to slash costs and stabilize the beleaguered manufacturer.

    The reductions, accounting for about 18 percent of GE Power’s workforce, include both professional and production employees, the company said Thursday in a statement.

    The world’s largest maker of gas turbines said the unit needs to become leaner as customers turn away from fossil fuel-based energy sources.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-07/ge-is-said-to-plan-12-000-job-cuts-as-new-ceo-revamps-power-unit

    Green Groopies around the world are celebrating this fantastic LIE. We are headed for that brave new world of renewable energy!

    Red Alert – the MSM full court press is on — the stuuuupid humans are being programmed — do NOT attempt to argue with them. They are very deep in the indoctrination process right now and if you do throw facts and logic at them they are sensitive and could react like vicious dogs snapping and tearing at you.

    You cannot question renewables — you cannot question GGG WWWW…… indoctrinated animals…. are DANGEROUS animals

    • Meanwhile, https://www.wsj.com/articles/millions-may-be-missing-in-bitcoin-heist-1512625176

      Hackers Steal $70 Million in Bitcoin
      Theft prompts shutdown of NiceHash, which markets itself as the largest cryptomining marketplace

      Andrej P. Škraba, head of marketing at NiceHash, confirmed to The Wall Street Journal that approximately 4,700 bitcoin had been stolen from a bitcoin wallet, an online account that stores the digital currency. Bitcoin wallets, like other online bank accounts, have been targets of hackers in the past.

      “It was a professional attack,” Mr. Škraba said. He declined to elaborate further, saying more information will be revealed at a later date.

      The hack came as the price of bitcoin surged through $14,000 on Thursday for the first time, according to research site CoinDesk, continuing a rally that has shown few signs of abating. At a recent price of $14,790, those stolen bitcoin are worth more than $69 million.

      • Greg Machala says:

        Unreal! Imagine If a bank lost $69million due to theft!

        • A Real Black Person says:

          and your identity was stolen to take out several home mortgages and student loans…because lending standards have faded away due to public opinion. The public could come to believe that lending standards are discriminatory against “marginalized groups. ” This has a legal precedent. One of the reasons why the early 2000s housing bubble happened was because of lower lending standards. Lending standards were lowered in the 1990s, I believe, to make up for centuries of redlining.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          It is all so reminiscent of https://www.zynga.com/games/farmville Where you pay real money to get fake animals and stuff…

          Perhaps this is all the final stage of us merging with computers?

          Smite… can you pop in here to advise….

          • I saw today that “ultra violet” is Pantone’s color of the year. Now we can decorate with ultra violet colored unicorns. Fits in with today’s realism.

          • A Real Black Person says:

            One market on…I think Do The Math blog said that a possible response to resource shortages could be virtual reality.

            https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2012/04/economist-meets-physicist/

            “we could all own virtual mansions and have our every need satisfied: all by stimulative neurological trickery. We would stil need nutrition, but the energy required to experience a high-energy lifestyle would be relatively minor. This is an example of enabling technology that obviates the need to engage in energy-intensive activities. Want to spend the weekend in Paris? You can do it without getting out of your chair…
            Really? Who could refuse it? All your needs met and an extravagant lifestyle—what’s not to like? I hope I can live like that myself someday.”

            Notice how abstract his concept of human needs are. He doesn’t say we need food a he says we need nutrition. He doesn’t realize that it takes additional energy to make liquid meals that don’t require chewing, vitamins pills, and other supplements.

            • There are some things that Tom Murphy doesn’t get right. Too many needs for a physicist to understand and really calculate a value for. I don’t think he talks about the need for cooked food (or pre-processed food), for example. This takes energy.

            • DJ says:

              But wouldnt it require magnitudes less energy to physically live in a small urban apartment, eat microwaved food (and a multivitamin) and mentally live in a virtual reality.

              Than living in suburbia, commuting to work, playing with toys like sailboats and going for vacations to the other side of the planet twice a year.

            • MG says:

              Virtual reality is a big resource and energy saver. The depopulation of the rural areas is inevitable, as they do not produce energy anymore, but require large energy inputs into practically unproductive areas, distant from the centers which distribute energy and resources transported on long distances.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              This is where the robot AI thing comes into play …. the robots do all the work… including making and delivering super sized pizzas….

              And virtual reality becomes the new reality — whatever it is that turns one’s crank… can happen…

              Want to be a rock star – a tycoon – a great athlete… want to travel the world in a yacht… fish the world’s greatest rivers catching 50lb rainbow trout on every second cast?

              Utopia approaches!

  5. Fast Eddy says:

    We need more of this — could be hugely entertaining

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-07/crackdown-comes-wall-street-morgan-stanley-fires-harold-ford-jr-over-alleged-sexual-

    I must admit — Bitcoin has me mesmerized — and I don’t even own any.

    Lots of lottery winners out there at the moment

  6. Fast Eddy says:

    As I sift through the ‘news’ this morning —- I find myself feeling what it must feel like to be insane…

    From Bitcoin to Tesla semi sales — neither make any sense — yet there will be billions of people the world over reading this stuff and believing it… believing the future has arrived.

    I can see that it is very obviously a pack of lies…. but if I were to strike up a conversation with just about any person I were to come across today and claim this was all total bull sh it…. I am 100% confident that they would look at me and think that I was touched…. kinda like one of those dudes you see on busy street corners in any major city claiming he is the second coming….

    We are in in maximum overdrive now…. the engines are running red hot….

    Don Draper is furiously pushing levers and punching buttons … he is lowering the window shades so that nobody can see the mountain ahead…. he is pumping hopium directly into the cabin now … DIRECTLY INTO THE CABIN!!! … can you smell it …. hints of a barrel of sh it that has been left in a hot sun for 3 days …. mixed with rotting fruit — the breathe deeply signs are flashing …

    I am sliding open the shade … I can see the mountain – I can see the mountain – come on people — look LOOK! We don’t want to look Mister…. get outta here …. don’t interrupt our bliss….

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