2019: World Economy Is Reaching Growth Limits; Expect Low Oil Prices, Financial Turbulence

Financial markets have been behaving in a very turbulent manner in the last couple of months. The issue, as I see it, is that the world economy is gradually changing from a growth mode to a mode of shrinkage. This is something like a ship changing course, from going in one direction to going in reverse. The system acts as if the brakes are being very forcefully applied, and reaction of the economy is to almost shake.

What seems to be happening is that the world economy is reaching Limits to Growth, as predicted in the computer simulations modeled in the 1972 book, The Limits to Growth. In fact, the base model of that set of simulations indicated that peak industrial output per capita might be reached right about now. Peak food per capita might be reached about the same time. I have added a dotted line to the forecast from this model, indicating where the economy seems to be in 2019, relative to the base model.1

Figure 1. Base scenario from The Limits to Growth, printed using today’s graphics by Charles Hall and John Day in Revisiting Limits to Growth After Peak Oil with dotted line at 2019 added by author. The 2019 line is drawn based on where the world economy seems to be now, rather than on precisely where the base model would put the year 2019.

The economy is a self-organizing structure that operates under the laws of physics. Many people have thought that when the world economy reaches limits, the limits would be of the form of high prices and “running out” of oil. This represents an overly simple understanding of how the system works. What we should really expect, and in fact, what we are now beginning to see, is production cuts in finished goods made by the industrial system, such as cell phones and automobiles, because of affordability issues. Indirectly, these affordability issues lead to low commodity prices and low profitability for commodity producers. For example:

  • The sale of Chinese private passenger vehicles for the year of 2018 through November is down by 2.8%, with November sales off by 16.1%. Most analysts are forecasting this trend of contracting sales to continue into 2019. Lower sales seem to reflect affordability issues.
  • Saudi Arabia plans to cut oil production by 800,000 barrels per day from the November 2018 level, to try to raise oil prices. Profits are too low at current prices.
  • Coal is reported not to have an economic future in Australia, partly because of competition from subsidized renewables and partly because China and India want to prop up the prices of coal from their own coal mines.

The Significance of Trump’s Tariffs

If a person looks at history, it becomes clear that tariffs are a standard response to a problem of shrinking food or industrial output per capita. Tariffs were put in place in the 1920s in the time leading up to the Great Depression, and were investigated after the Panic of 1857, which seems to have indirectly led to the US Civil War.

Whenever an economy produces less industrial or food output per capita there is an allocation problem: who gets cut off from buying output similar to the amount that they previously purchased? Tariffs are a standard way that a relatively strong economy tries to gain an advantage over weaker economies. Tariffs are intended to help the citizens of the strong economy maintain their previous quantity of goods and services, even as other economies are forced to get along with less.

I see Trump’s trade policies primarily as evidence of an underlying problem, namely, the falling affordability of goods and services for a major segment of the population. Thus, Trump’s tariffs are one of the pieces of evidence that lead me to believe that the world economy is reaching Limits to Growth.

The Nature of World Economic Growth

Economic growth seems to require growth in three dimensions (a) Complexity, (b) Debt Bubble, and (c) Use of Resources. Today, the world economy seems to be reaching limits in all three of these dimensions (Figure 2).

Figure 2.

Complexity involves adding more technology, more international trade and more specialization. Its downside is that it indirectly tends to reduce affordability of finished end products because of growing wage disparity; many non-elite workers have wages that are too low to afford very much of the output of the economy. As more complexity is added, wage disparity tends to increase. International wage competition makes the situation worse.

A growing debt bubble can help keep commodity prices up because a rising amount of debt can indirectly provide more demand for goods and services. For example, if there is growing debt, it can be used to buy homes, cars, and vacation travel, all of which require oil and other energy consumption.

If debt levels become too high, or if regulators decide to raise short-term interest rates as a method of slowing the economy, the debt bubble is in danger of collapsing. A collapsing debt bubble tends to lead to recession and falling commodity prices. Commodity prices fell dramatically in the second half of 2008. Prices now seem to be headed downward again, starting in October 2018.

Figure 3. Brent oil prices with what appear to be debt bubble collapses marked.

Figure 4. Three-month treasury secondary market rates compared to 10-year treasuries from FRED, with points where short term interest rates exceed long term rates marked by author with arrows.

Even the relatively slow recent rise in short-term interest rates (Figure 4) seems to be producing a decrease in oil prices (Figure 3) in a way that a person might expect from a debt bubble collapse. The sale of US Quantitative Easing assets at the same time that interest rates have been rising no doubt adds to the problem of falling oil prices and volatile stock markets. The gray bars in Figure 4 indicate recessions.

Growing use of resources becomes increasingly problematic for two reasons. One is population growth. As population rises, the economy needs more food to feed the growing population. This leads to the need for more complexity (irrigation, better seed, fertilizer, world trade) to feed the growing world population.

The other problem with growing use of resources is diminishing returns, leading to the rising cost of extracting commodities over time. Diminishing returns occur because producers tend to extract the cheapest to extract commodities first, leaving in place the commodities requiring deeper wells or more processing. Even water has this difficulty. At times, desalination, at very high cost, is needed to obtain sufficient fresh water for a growing population.

Why Inadequate Energy Supplies Lead to Low Oil Prices Rather than High

In the last section, I discussed the cost of producing commodities of many kinds rising because of diminishing returns. Higher costs should lead to higher prices, shouldn’t they?

Strangely enough, higher costs translate to higher prices only sometimes. When energy consumption per capita is rising rapidly (peaks of red areas on Figure 5), rising costs do seem to translate to rising prices. Spiking oil prices were experienced several times: 1917 to 1920; 1974 to 1982; 2004 to mid 2008; and 2011 to 2014. All of these high oil prices occurred toward the end of the red peaks on Figure 5. In fact, these high oil prices (as well as other high commodity prices that tend to rise at the same time as oil prices) are likely what brought growth in energy consumption down. The prices of goods and services made with these commodities became unaffordable for lower-wage workers, indirectly decreasing the growth rate in energy products consumed.

Figure 5.

The red peaks represented periods of very rapid growth, fed by growing supplies of very cheap energy: coal and hydroelectricity in the Electrification and Early Mechanization period, oil in the Postwar Boom, and coal in the China period. With low energy prices,  many countries were able to expand their economies simultaneously, keeping demand high. The Postwar Boom also reflected the addition of many women to the labor force, increasing the ability of families to afford second cars and nicer homes.

Rapidly growing energy consumption allowed per capita output of both food (with meat protein given a higher count than carbohydrates) and industrial products to grow rapidly during these peaks. The reason that output of these products could grow is because the laws of physics require energy consumption for heat, transportation, refrigeration and other processes required by industrialization and farming. In these boom periods, higher energy costs were easy to pass on. Eventually the higher energy costs “caught up with” the economy, and pushed growth in energy consumption per capita down, putting an end to the peaks.

Figure 6 shows Figure 5 with the valleys labeled, instead of the peaks.

Figure 6.

When I say that the world economy is reaching “peak industrial output per capita” and “peak food per capita,” this represents the opposite of a rapidly growing economy. In fact, if the world is reaching Limits to Growth, the situation is even worse than all of the labeled valleys on Figure 6. In such a case, energy consumption growth is likely to shrink so low that even the blue area (population growth) turns negative.

In such a situation, the big problem is “not enough to go around.” While cost increases due to diminishing returns could easily be passed along when growth in industrial and food output per capita were rapidly rising (the Figure 5 situation), this ability seems to disappear when the economy is near limits. Part of the problem is that the lower growth in per capita energy affects the kinds of jobs that are available. With low energy consumption growth, many of the jobs that are available are service jobs that do not pay well. Wage disparity becomes an increasing problem.

When wage disparity grows, the share of low wage workers rises. If businesses try to pass along their higher costs of production, they encounter market resistance because lower wage workers cannot afford the finished goods made with high cost energy products. For example, auto and iPhone sales in China decline. The lack of Chinese demand tends to lead to a drop in demand for the many commodities used in manufacturing these goods, including both energy products and metals. Because there is very little storage capacity for commodities, a small decline in demand tends to lead to quite a large decline in prices. Even a small decline in China’s demand for energy products can lead to a big decline in oil prices.

Strange as it may seem, the economy ends up with low oil prices, rather than high oil prices, being the problem. Other commodity prices tend to be low as well.

What Is Ahead, If We Are Reaching Economic Growth Limits?

1. Figure 1 at the top of this post seems to give an indication of what is ahead after 2019, but this forecast cannot be relied on. A major issue is that the limited model used at that time did not include the financial system or debt. Even if the model seems to provide a reasonably accurate estimate of when limits will hit, it won’t necessarily give a correct view of what the impact of limits will be on the rest of the economy, after limits hit. The authors, in fact, have said that the model should not be expected to provide reliable indications regarding how the economy will behave after limits have started to have an impact on economic output.

2. As indicated in the title of this post, considerable financial volatility can be expected in 2019 if the economy is trying to slow itself. Stock prices will be erratic; interest rates will be erratic; currency relativities will tend to bounce around. The likelihood that derivatives will cause major problems for banks will rise because derivatives tend to assume more stability in values than now seems to be the case. Increasing problems with derivatives raises the risk of bank failure.

3. The world economy doesn’t necessarily fail all at once. Instead, pieces that are, in some sense, “less efficient” users of energy may shrink back. During the Great Recession of 2008-2009, the countries that seemed to be most affected were countries such as Greece, Spain, and Italy that depend on oil for a disproportionately large share of their total energy consumption. China and India, with energy mixes dominated by coal, were much less affected.

Figure 7. Oil consumption as a percentage of total energy consumption, based on 2018 BP Statistical Review of World Energy data.

Figure 8. Energy consumption per capita for selected areas, based on energy consumption data from 2018 BP Statistical Review of World Energy and United Nations 2017 Population Estimates by Country.

In the 2002-2008 period, oil prices were rising faster than prices of other fossil fuels. This tended to make countries using a high share of oil in their energy mix less competitive in the world market. The low labor costs of China and India gave these countries another advantage. By the end of 2007, China’s energy consumption per capita had risen to a point where it almost matched the (now lower) energy consumption of the European countries shown. China, with its low energy costs, seems to have “eaten the lunch” of some of its European competitors.

In 2019 and the years that follow, some countries may fare at least somewhat better than others. The United States, for now, seems to be faring better than many other parts of the world.

4. While we have been depending upon China to be a leader in economic growth, China’s growth is already faltering and may turn to contraction in the near future. One reason is an energy problem: China’s coal production has fallen because many of its coal mines have been closed due to lack of profitability. As a result, China’s need for imported energy (difference between black line and top of energy production stack) has been growing rapidly. China is now the largest importer of oil, coal, and natural gas in the world. It is very vulnerable to tariffs and to lack of available supplies for import.

Figure 9. China energy production by fuel plus its total energy consumption, based on BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2018 data.

A second issue is that demographics are working against China; its working-age population already seems to be shrinking. A third reason why China is vulnerable to economic difficulties is because of its growing debt level. Debt becomes difficult to repay with interest if the economy slows.

5. Oil exporters such as Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, and Nigeria have become vulnerable to government overthrow or collapse because of low world oil prices since 2014. If the central government of one or more of these exporters disappears, it is possible that the pieces of the country will struggle along, producing a lower amount of oil, as Libya has done in recent years. It is also possible that another larger country will attempt to take over the failing production of the country and secure the output for itself.

6. Epidemics become increasingly likely, especially in countries with serious financial problems, such as Yemen, Syria, and Venezuela. Historically, much of the decrease in population in countries with collapsing economies has come from epidemics. Of course, epidemics can spread across national boundaries, exporting the problems elsewhere.

7. Resource wars become increasingly likely. These can be local wars, perhaps over the availability of water. They can also be large, international wars. The timing of World War I and World War II make it seem likely that these wars were both resource wars.

Figure 10.

8. Collapsing intergovernmental agencies, such as the European Union, the World Trade Organization, and the International Monetary Fund, seem likely. The United Kingdom’s planned exit from the European Union in 2019 is a step toward dissolving the European Union.

9. Privately funded pension funds will increasingly be subject to default because of continued low interest rates. Some governments may choose to cut back the amounts they provide to pensioners because governments cannot collect adequate tax revenue for this purpose. Some countries may purposely shut down parts of their governments, in an attempt to hold down government spending.

10. A far worse and more permanent recession than that of the Great Recession seems likely because of the difficulty in repaying debt with interest in a shrinking economy. It is not clear when such a recession will start. It could start later in 2019, or perhaps it may wait until 2020. As with the Great Recession, some countries will be affected more than others. Eventually, because of the interconnected nature of financial systems, all countries are likely to be drawn in.


It is not entirely clear exactly what is ahead if we are reaching Limits to Growth. Perhaps that is for the best. If we cannot do anything about it, worrying about the many details of what is ahead is not the best for anyone’s mental health. While it is possible that this is an end point for the human race, this is not certain, by any means. There have been many amazing coincidences over the past 4 billion years that have allowed life to continue to evolve on this planet. More of these coincidences may be ahead. We also know that humans lived through past ice ages. They likely can live through other kinds of adversity, including worldwide economic collapse.


[1] Note that where the dotted line for 2019 is placed is based on where I see the 2019 economy relative to the downturn in industrial output per capita, based on a number of kinds of evidence, not all of which is cited in this article. The 1972 base model would give a slightly different timing of the downturn, a few years earlier. Also note that while the original “The Limits to Growth” book is no longer in print, Limits to Growth: The 30-Year Update by the same authors is available for sale.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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2,080 Responses to 2019: World Economy Is Reaching Growth Limits; Expect Low Oil Prices, Financial Turbulence

  1. Harry McGibbs says:

    “China’s economy [officially] grew 6.6% in 2018… its slowest pace in almost 30 years, confirming a slowdown in the world’s second largest economy that could threaten global growth…

    “China’s economy grew 6.4% in the fourth quarter from a year earlier, levels last seen in early 2009 at the height of the global financial crisis…

    “The latest economic figures suggest China may no longer be able to help shore up weakening global growth, as it has in the past.

    “A government campaign to rein in risky debt has been compounded by a trade war with the US, hitting consumer and business confidence. Over the past few months consumer spending, manufacturing output, and investment have reached record lows.”


    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “A 2016 International Monetary Fund (IMF) report found 38 out of 43 economies whose national debt was 30 per cent higher than its GDP experienced “severe disruption” in the form of financial crises and a decline in growth.

      “It also found the probability of a “bad outcome” was imminent if the boom lasted for more than six years — these are all criteria the Chinese economy meets.”


      • Harry McGibbs says:

        “China-focused investment managers in 2018 endured their most difficult year since the global financial crisis with equity funds suffering widespread heavy losses…”


        • Harry McGibbs says:

          “[China’s] Miners produced 320.38 million tonnes of coal in December, according to data released on Monday by the National Bureau of Statistics. That is the largest volume since June, 2015.

          “China approved more than 45 billion yuan’s ($6.64 billion)worth of new coal mining projects last year, much more than 2017, official documents show.”


          • despite knowing the damage coal does, we are locked into using it/burning it, because that’s how our economic system works

            we in uk might point to our own clean energy haloes—but all we’ve done is outsourced the mucky stuff to the far east

            we’ve only just realised that Chinese are doesn’t hang about over China

          • The article also says:

            However, some miners and traders expect supplies to fall sharply in January following a crackdown on coal mines after a major accident on Jan. 13 in the northwestern province of Shaanxi, potentially dragging on output through the year.

            If I look at the data from the National Bureau of Statistics of China, it says that China’s output of coal in December 2018 was up 2.1% over December 2017 (which was also a very high month).

            For the full year of 2018, it says that China’s output of coal was up 5.2% over 2017, which is in the “Wow” category. It could afford to cut back on imports from Australia with that kind of output.

            The same report says that its annual growth in crude oil was -1.3% for the year 2018 over 2017.

            Its annual growth rate for natural gas is given at 7.5%. Total 2018 production was 16.102 million cubic meters. Still not very much.

            Coalbed gas (which is presumably in addition to natural gas) increased by 5.8%. Its volume was only 0.726 million cubic meters.

            LNG “output” – which I presume means imports – decreased. The growth rate is shown as -0.9%.

            Refinery processing volume grew by 6.8%.

            Gasoline production grew by +8.1%.

            Kerosene (mostly jet fuel, I expect) grew by +12.7%.

            LPG (perhaps for home cooking) grew by 11.2%.

            On the other hand, output of some products shrank in 2018. Diesel oil output shrank (growth was -1.9%),

            Fuel oil (perhaps for home heating and ship operation) shows “growth” of -16.0%.

            Petroleum coke (bottom of the barrel, burned as polluting fuel) shows “growth” of -0.6%.

            Electricity (output, not generation capacity) shows a growth rate of 6.8%, with thermal power (almost all coal) showing a growth rate of 6.0%.

            Hydro electric power grew by 4.1% for the year.

            Nuclear power grew by 18.7% for the year.

            Wind power output grew by 16.6% for the year.

            Solar power output grew by 19.8% for 2018.

            It is too bad that US data is not available in this detail yet. Some of these amounts may be estimates, I suppose.

            • GBV says:

              “If I look at the data from the National Bureau of Statistics of China…”

              The viewpoint I always seem to read these days is that Chinese statistics/reporting cannot be taken at face value. Just curious if you think the National Bureau of Statistics of China, in this energy-related data set, should be trusted? If so, how does it differ from other economic/growth figures that tend to be considered more suspect?


            • It is hard to know. I was hoping that these amounts were far enough away from terribly sensitive numbers to be close to “real.” They are not GDP, after all. Some of the do show negative growth.

            • Harry McGibbs says:

              “Data disappears when it becomes negative,” said Anne Stevenson-Yang, co-founder of J Capital Research, which analyzes the Chinese economy. “When you go around and meet state-owned industry people, everybody laughs at the national statistics, so I don’t know why foreigners believe them.”

            • There is no doubt some truth to this. The amount are sums of various amounts, reported by regional authorities. No one want to show how badly their region is doing.

  2. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Chances that Japan will slide into a recession this coming fiscal year have grown over the past three months, a Reuters poll of economists found, pressured by a global economic slowdown and U.S.-China trade friction…

    “The latest data showed Japan’s export growth slowed to a crawl in November as shipments to the United States and China weakened sharply.”


  3. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Theresa May’s government is facing meltdown today as The Sunday Times reveals how a senior House of Commons official helped rebel MPs who are plotting to derail Brexit.

    “Leaked emails obtained by this newspaper show that Dominic Grieve, the former attorney-general, has been in secret communications with Colin Lee, the clerk of bills, with the explicit intention of suspending Britain’s departure from the European Union.

    “Lee drew up three versions of the plan for Grieve — each of which would overturn centuries of parliamentary precedent — and then swore him to secrecy.”


    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Data showed that 38 per cent of FTSE general retailers [UK] issued profit warnings in 2018, a 50 per cent increase on the previous year and the highest number since 2008, said the EY profit warnings report.

      “Half of the profit warnings cited weaker consumer confidence, up from a quarter in 2017.”


    • I suppose if something is essential, a person tries to figure out a way to work around the problem, even if it is contrary to parliamentary precedent.

      • Harry McGibbs says:

        Indeed. Still unnerving though when a crisis starts to force an established constitution to fracture and mutate, an extreme example of which would be Hitler’s ‘Enabling Act’ of 1933, wherein he used the Reichstag fire as a pretext for awarding himself plenary powers.

        • Harry McGibbs says:

          Stephen Crabb, the former Conservative cabinet minister, has described the European Research Group, which represents Brexiter Tories, as “almost a party within a party”. One wonders whether the Conservative party can survive Brexit intact:

          “They organise themselves extremely effectively. They have their own leadership. They say publicly they have their own whips. They whip their members to vote in a certain way. They have their own briefing material. They rely on their own social media networks. So they are a well-established group, almost a party within a party.”

        • seems most dictators use an existing rule of law to enable them to dispense with the rule of law

          the Chinese current despot had himself ”voted” into that position

          given the chance (a state of emergency say) the don WILL do the same thing

          • Harry McGibbs says:

            Perhaps if there were social unrest stemming from a protracted government shutdown, a conspiracy theorist might wonder!

            • wonder indeed

              before the don got into office, he couldn’t have foreseen or planned all this—but now he sees all too clearly that all it takes is a national emergency/disaster—call it what you like, and he can grab full dictators powers and when he’s done that, disband congress altogether

              it’s been done before

          • Tim Groves says:

            On the other hand, there’s a story going around from the Alex Jones and Roger Stone side of the sandbox that the Deep State are going to use Mueller’s investigation to impeach Trump and Pence and install Dearest Nancy as prez, who will make Hillary her vice and then resign to allow her Imperial Highness to Sit in the Big Chair in the Oval Office that she was deprived of by Russian meddlers who bought 50,000 dollars worth of Facebook Ads that nobody saw, and thereby save the world from the Great Orange Pumkin Baboon Man once and for all.

            Unorthodox, I know, but we live in cartoonish times.

  4. Harry McGibbs says:

    “The Bank of Italy has cut its growth forecast for this year and next while signalling that the euro region’s third-biggest economy might have slipped into a new recession at the end of 2018… Italy has been struggling to break out of a years-long trap of economic stagnation…

    “The populist government is counting on its expansive budget and programmes to spur economic growth.”


  5. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Davos Man is richer than ever. A decade after the financial crisis poured flat champagne on the World Economic Forum, gold-collar executives set to gather there this week have bounced back, and then some…

    “Data from UBS and PwC Billionaires Insights reports show that global billionaire wealth has grown from $US3.4 trillion in 2009 to $US8.9 trillion in 2017.”


  6. Harry McGibbs says:

    “The window to restock monetary ammunition is closing for the world’s major central banks.

    “With economic growth slowing and inflation lagging in big economies like the U.S. and euro area, a push to escape crisis-era policy settings that include rock bottom interest rates appears at risk of stalling. That will leave less firepower to fight off the next economic downdraft, threatening a prolonged downturn.”


  7. Hubbs says:

    When the necessity for increasing the mining and burning of coal becomes manifest, despite a declining world economy and all the political correctness for not burning dirty fossil fuels, then we will know that we are scraping the bottom of the energy barrel.

    • Duncan Idaho says:

      Records show 100 percent of Texas coal power plants contaminating groundwater – “We found contamination everywhere we looked, poisoning groundwater aquifers and recreational fishing spots across the state”


      • jupiviv says:

        Plus, re-starting old coal mines is costly/dangerous enough to be pointless in most cases.

        • when coalmining started, miners lived in hovels close to the mine and walked to work

          now a miner would expect to drive there, have all the amenities of a modern workforce
          and work in safety

          which is why the chinese are opening coalmines and we are not

          • Let’s not forget today’s miner is partly robot-machine operator; obviously there are also teams working manually all the time: electricians, plumbers, mechanics, rescue & medical, .. But today’s (modern) mine employs very few workers per that gargantuan lump of coal energy produced.

            • Chrome Mags says:

              I’ve seen video of coal mining seams underground. They use a machine to dig out the material. The ceiling height in a seam is 43-60 inches. Then they have to put in place posts to hold it up. It’s dangerous work and looks really depressing. I mean its got no daylight, just artificial lighting, black walls, floor and ceiling, coal dust they try to reduce with water vapor so it’s humid. No one looked very happy, but plenty dirty, plus there is always the push to keep going by the managers. Then they ran numbers on how much was taken out that week and the managers said it coming out too slow, they needed to work better as a team. The lead guy took the blame then they all went home a dirty mess. No thanks.

            • I have a mining family background, and have been down there a few times, so I have a little experience of the awfulness of it

              the bottom line seems to be, that yes, you can devise new machines to get the coal out and improve safety and so on, at each stage, but that adds to cost at the pit head

              then if each miner demands a luxury lifestyle–car–nice home and so on, that adds cost as well

              but the energy in every ton of coal is fixed, so energy used in extracting it, leaves less available in using it (burning in power stations etc)

              Which is roughly where we are today at most of the world’s deep mines.

              The Chinese system of economics might allow them to ignore it for a little while longer, but they will hit the same limits in the end. The Chinese have the worst safety record, which would suggest they cut corners to extract coal as cheaply as possible.
              That used to happen here. Only 30 miles away from me there was a pit disaster that killed 450 (80 years ago)
              The rest of the mining community just carried on—it was part of the life they had

            • It depends on the mine (size, country, coal/ .. ), but the modern ones have been almost ~fully automated (incl. placing these ceiling-wall supports) for decades already.

              Yep, it’s not pretty work anyways, there have been some documentaries made, even movies on the much harder past, say 15-17th style mining and uprisings against high mortality and low pay..

            • cal48koho says:

              Here in Wyoming the country’s largest producer of coal, the “miners” drive titanic dump trucks with ear buds hooked to their Iphones. The trick is not to breathe the silica laden dust kicked up by those $60,000 truck tires.

    • Davidin100millionbilliontrillionzillionyears says:

      “When the necessity for increasing the mining and burning of coal becomes manifest, despite a declining world economy and all the political correctness for not burning dirty fossil fuels, then we will know that we are scraping the bottom of the energy barrel.”

      per comments earlier today, China greatly increased its coal production in 2018…

      so then here we are!

      the bottom of the barrel…

  8. Duncan Idaho says:

    1924 — Russia: Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov Lenin, leader of the Bolshevik party, dies of a stroke at 54. Lovingly known as “Major” in George Orwell’s Animal Farm.

  9. Chrome Mags says:


    ‘Elites Gather In Davos To Rich-splain Poverty As The World Spirals Into Crisis’

    “According to a report from the anti-poverty coalition Oxfam, timed to coincide with Davos, the world’s 2,200 billionaires grew 12 percent wealthier last year. But the wealth is not trickling down. The poorest half of the world got 11 percent poorer in 2018, and today the top 26 billionaires own the same wealth as the poorest 3.8 billion people. In the U.S., wages have been essentially stagnant for decades while members of the Davos elite have gotten significantly richer. The fortunes of a dozen 2009 Davos attendees have jumped by a combined $175 billion in the years since, a Bloomberg analysis found.”

    Looks like the top tier have gathered to discuss their exit plans (once things get too out of hand) and what to do with all these poor people?

    • GBV says:


      “DAVOS, Switzerland (Reuters) – The International Monetary Fund on Monday cut its world economic growth forecasts for 2019 and 2020 due to weakness in Europe and some emerging markets, and said failure to resolve trade tensions could further destabilize a slowing global economy.”

      “What I’m trying to say is that the market knows things, that serial idiots don’t know.
      Which is why anyone listening to economists is going to get duly monkey hammered.”

  10. Chrome Mags says:


    ‘Tesla gets clearance to begin Model 3 deliveries in Europe’

    “Tesla expects to start delivering the Long Range Battery version of the Model 3 in Europe in February after getting the go-ahead from Dutch vehicle authority RDW. As such, it can sell cars across the continent without having to win approval from individual EU member states. It had seemed the regulatory thumbs up was imminent after Tesla opened up Model 3 orders to left-hand drive countries across Europe this month.”

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