2021: More troubles likely

Most people expect that the economy of 2021 will be an improvement from 2020. I don’t think so. Perhaps COVID-19 will be somewhat better, but other aspects of the economy will likely be worse.

Back in November 2020, I showed a chart illustrating the path that energy consumption seems to be on. The sharp downturn in energy consumption has occurred partly because the cost of oil, gas and coal production tends to rise, since the portion that is least expensive to extract and ship tends to be removed first.

At the same time, prices that energy producers are able to charge their customers don’t rise enough to compensate for their higher costs. Ultimate customers are ordinary wage earners, and their wages are not escalating as rapidly as fossil fuel production and delivery costs. It is the low selling price of fossil fuels, relative to the rising cost of production, that causes a collapse in the production of fossil fuels. This is the crisis we are now facing.

Figure 1. Estimate by Gail Tverberg of World Energy Consumption from 1820 to 2050. Amounts for earliest years based on estimates in Vaclav Smil’s book Energy Transitions: History, Requirements and Prospects and BP’s 2020 Statistical Review of World Energy for the years 1965 to 2019. Energy consumption for 2020 is estimated to be 5% below that for 2019. Energy for years after 2020 is assumed to fall by 6.6% per year, so that the amount reaches a level similar to renewables only by 2050. Amounts shown include more use of local energy products (wood and animal dung) than BP includes.

With lower energy consumption, many things tend to go wrong at once: The rich get richer while the poor get poorer. Protests and uprisings become more common. The poorer citizens and those already in poor health become more vulnerable to communicable diseases. Governments feel a need to control their populations, partly to keep down protests and partly to prevent the further spread of disease.

If we look at the situation shown on Figure 1 on a per capita basis, the graph doesn’t look quite as steep, because lower energy consumption tends to bring down population. This reduction in population can come from many different causes, including illnesses, fewer babies born, less access to medical care, inadequate clean water and starvation.

Figure 2. Amounts shown in Figure 1, divided by population estimates by Angus Maddison for earliest years and by 2019 United Nations population estimates for years to 2020. Future population estimated to be falling half as quickly as energy supply is falling in Figure 1. World population drops to 2.8 billion by 2050.

What Is Ahead for 2021?

In many ways, it is good that we really don’t know what is ahead for 2021. All aspects of GDP production require energy consumption. A huge drop in energy consumption is likely to mean disruption in the world economy of varying types for many years to come. If the situation is likely to be bad, many of us don’t really want to know how bad.

We know that many civilizations have had the same problem that the world does today. It usually goes by the name “Collapse” or “Overshoot and Collapse.” The problem is that the population becomes too large for the resource base. At the same time, available resources may degrade (soils erode or lose fertility, mines deplete, fossil fuels become harder to extract). Eventually, the economy becomes so weakened that any minor disturbance – attack from an outside army, or shift in weather patterns, or communicable disease that raises the death rate a bit – threatens to bring down the whole system. I see our current economic problem as much more of an energy problem than a COVID-19 problem.

We know that when earlier civilizations collapsed, the downfall tended not to happen all at once. Based on an analysis by Peter Turchin and Sergey Nefedov in their book, Secular Cycles, economies tended to first hit a period of stagflation, for perhaps 40 or 50 years. In a way, today’s economy has been in a period of stagflation since the 1970s, when it became apparent that oil was becoming more difficult to extract. To hide the problem, increasing debt was issued at ever-lower interest rates.

According to Turchin and Nefedov, the stagflation stage eventually moves into a steeper “crisis” period, marked by overturned governments, debt defaults, and falling population. In the examples analyzed by Turchin and Nefedov, this crisis portion of the cycle took 20 to 50 years. It seems to me that the world economy reached the beginning of the crisis period in 2020 when lockdowns in response to the novel coronavirus pushed the weakened world economy down further.

The examples examined by Turchin and Nefedov occurred in the time period before fossil fuels were widely used. It may very well be that the current collapse takes place more rapidly than those in the past, because of dependency on international supply lines and an international banking system. The world economy is also very dependent on electricity–something that may not last. Thus, there seems to be a chance that the crisis phase may last a shorter length of time than 20 to 50 years. It likely won’t last only a year or two, however. The economy can be expected to fall apart, but somewhat slowly. The big questions are, “How slowly?” “Can some parts continue for years, while others disappear quickly?”

Some Kinds of Things to Expect in 2021 (and beyond)

[1] More overturned governments and attempts at overturned governments.

With increasing wage disparity, there tend to be more and more unhappy workers at the bottom end of the wage distribution. At the same time, there are likely to be people who are unhappy with the need for high taxes to try to fix the problems of the people at the bottom end of the wage distribution. Either of these groups can attempt to overturn their government if the government’s handling of current problems is not to the group’s liking.

[2] More debt defaults.

During the stagflation period that the world economy has been through, more and more debt has been added at ever-lower interest rates. Much of this huge amount of debt relates to property that is no longer of much use (airplanes without passengers; office buildings that are no longer needed because people now work at home; restaurants without enough patrons; factories without enough orders). Governments will try to avoid defaults as long as possible, but eventually, the unreasonableness of this situation will prevail. The impact of defaults can be expected to affect many parts of the economy, including banks, insurance companies and pension plans.

[3] Extraordinarily slow progress in defeating COVID-19.

There seems to be a significant chance that COVID-19 is lab-made. In fact, the many variations of COVID-19 may also be lab made. Researchers around the world have been studying “Gain of Function” in viruses for more than 20 years, allowing the researchers to “tweak” viruses in whatever way they desire. There seem to be several variations on the original virus now. A suicidal/homicidal researcher could decide to “take out” as many other people as possible, by creating yet another variation on COVID-19.

To make matters worse, immunity to coronaviruses in general doesn’t seem to be very long lasting. According to an October 2020 article, 35-year study hints that coronavirus immunity doesn’t last long. Analyzing other coronaviruses, it concluded that immunity tends to disappear quite quickly, leading to an annual cycle of illnesses such as colds. There seems to be a substantial chance that COVID-19 will return on an annual basis. If vaccines generate a similar immunity pattern, we will be facing an issue of needing new vaccines every year, as we do with the flu.

[4] Cutbacks on education of many kinds.

Many people getting advanced degrees find that the time and expense did not lead to an adequate financial reward afterwards. At the same time, universities find that there are not many grants to support faculty, outside of the STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math) fields. With this combination of problems, universities with limited budgets make the financial decision to reduce or eliminate programs with reduced student interest and no outside funding.

At the same time, if local school districts find themselves short of funds, they may choose to use distance learning, simply to save money. This type of cutback could affect grade school children, especially in poor areas.

[5] Increasing loss of the top layers of governments.

It takes money/energy to support extra layers of government. The UK is now completely out of the European Union. We can expect to see more changes of this type. The UK may dissolve into smaller regions. Other parts of the EU may leave. This problem could affect many countries around the world, such as China or countries of the Middle East.

[6] Less globalization; more competition among countries.

Every country is struggling with the problem of not enough jobs that pay well. This is really an energy-related problem. Instead of co-operating, countries will tend to increasingly compete, in the hope that their country can somehow get a larger share of the higher-paying jobs. Tariffs will continue to be popular.

[7] More empty shelves in stores.

In 2020, we discovered that supply lines can break, making it impossible to purchase products a person expects. In fact, new governmental rules can have the same impact, for example, if a country bans travel to its country. We should expect more of this in 2021, and in the years ahead.

[8] More electrical outages, especially in locations where reliance on intermittent wind and solar for electricity is high.

In most places in the world, oil products were available before electricity. On the way down, we should expect to see the reverse of this pattern: Electricity will disappear first because it is hardest to maintain a constant supply. Oil will be available, at least as long as is electricity.

There is a popular belief that we will “run out of oil,” and that renewable electricity can be a solution. I do not think that intermittent electricity can be a solution for anything. It works poorly. At most, it acts as a temporary extender to fossil fuel-provided electricity.

[9] Possible hyperinflation, as countries issue more and more debt and no longer trust each other.

I often say that I expect oil and energy prices to stay low, but this doesn’t really hold if many countries around the world issue more and more government debt as a way to try to keep businesses from failing, debt from defaulting, and stock market prices inflated. There is a danger that all prices will inflate, and that sellers of products will no longer accept the hyperinflated currency that countries around the world are trying to provide.

My concern is that international trade will break down to a significant extent as hyperinflation of all currencies becomes a problem. The higher prices of oil and other energy products won’t really lead to any more production because prices of all goods and services will be inflating at the same time; fossil fuel producers will not get any special benefit from these higher prices.

If a significant loss of trade occurs, there will be even more empty shelves because there is very little any one country can make on its own. Without adequate goods, population loss may be very high.

[10] New ways of countries trying to fight with each other.

When there are not enough resources to go around, historically, wars have been fought. I expect wars will continue to be fought, but the approaches will “look different” than in the past. They may involve tariffs on imported goods. They may involve the use of laboratory-made viruses. They may involve attacking the internet of another country, or its electrical distribution system. There may be no officially declared war. Strange things may simply take place that no one understands, without realizing that the country is being attacked.

Conclusion

We seem to be headed for very bumpy waters in the years ahead, including 2021. Our real problem is an energy problem that we do not have a solution for.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,373 Responses to 2021: More troubles likely

  1. D3G says:

    An interesting term ‘migrants’ as it implies a seasonal come and go. Permanent residents leaving the country might be considered, what, refugees?

    • D3G says:

      In response to Tim.

    • Tim Groves says:

      I would expect many if not most of the people who’ve left the UK in the last year to to be EU citizens who had the right to reside in the UK but have lost it, or who were working or studying there but are no longer ale to do so.

      Refugees or migrants from outside the EU would be more likely to remain in the UK even in the current difficult situation, as they have nowhere better to go.

      Once upon a time, “migrant” used to be a word with neutral connotations. Anybody who immigrated or emigrated was considered a migrant of sorts.

      Wikipedia tells me: “There are four major forms of migration: invasion, conquest, colonization and emigration/immigration. Persons moving from their home due to forced displacement (such as a natural disaster or civil disturbance) may be described as displaced persons or, if remaining in the home country, internally-displaced persons.”

      But in general usage today, I agree that a migrant tends to be regarded as someone who comes and goes, similar to a migratory bird. Perhaps the writer of that piece would have been better to have simply called them “foreigners”. But not “aliens”. Officially, in the UK, an alien is a person who is not a British citizen, a Commonwealth citizen, a BRITISH PROTECTED person or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland.

      • D3G says:

        Here in the US it is ‘migrant worker’ that you will most often see paired together. That’s what I was keying into.

  2. Tim Groves says:

    I’ve been hearing rumors of an impending military coup in the US for some time.
    And just now I’ve just read a comment from James Fetzer on his sight:
    “My best guess is that a transition to the US Military will occur at 11 AM/ET. Stand by!”

    I wouldn’t normally give much credit to such rumors, except we do have a lot of soldiers in the center of DC and the place has been turned into a fortress—the’ve even divided it into a Green Zone and a Red Zone—that make it equally easy to use as a prison. And the Biden people have been talking about vetting the members of the National Guard and getting loyalty oaths from them. And the Mayor of DC has asked for machine guns for riot control—although that request has been refused.

    While I don’t expect it to happen, we are in the fog of war, and I’m curious as to whether Fetzer’s gut feeling will be born out.

    • Xabier says:

      I tend to feel that it is merely crude theatre to reinforce the bogus notion that ‘ our democracy is under imminent, violent threat from the Right’.

      Next they will move to open persecution of their political enemies on a large scale, just as in Ancient Rome.

      Hopes placed in the army will probably prove very ill-founded – I can’t see anything to prove them.

      A few discontented officers, even generals, that’s all; but Biden will throw money at the MIC in huge dollops as ever.

      The ‘Praetorian Guard’ are bought and paid for. The interests of huge standing armies and organisations secret police and spies rarely coincide with those of the electorate.

      • Xabier says:

        It’s certainly much more fun than here, where real politics, social and commercial, life have more or less ceased to exist in our dead cities.

      • As far as I can see, the inauguration took place as planned at noon today.

        • TIm Groves says:

          Yes, so it seems. A bit of an anticlimax for those who expected to see tanks rolling.

          But we are not living in normal times. The entity playing the role of Biden doesn’t have anywhere near all his marbles or anywhere near full legitimacy in the eyes of what I suspect be majority of the American people.

          It was a largely virtual inauguration. Thirty thousand members of the National Guard were on guard ostensibly to protect the president and keep order, but there were only about a thousand VIP guests present and members of the public were not invited and didn’t turn up.

          So when people ask, “how come the most popular president evah had nobody but the camera crews at his rallies and nobody but his fellow politicians at the inauguration?”, they will say “Because we asked them not to come.”

          I’m referring to him as “the entity” because has I’ve already shown, he is not the genuine Joe Biden. That’s how fake things have gotten. If we can spot this from photographs and videos, the people who have been mingling with him in person over the years must be acutely aware of this fact—including the Republicans and including Trump— and yet nobody says a word. It’s like the Emperor’s New Clothes—a huge virtual charade parade for the masses.

      • A tad ungenerous Xabier if I may say so.

        Personally I think Biden has put himself as launchpad for Harris. Because he can see the broad outline of the future.

        If the USA is to have any hope at all of drawing back from at least the steeper slopes of catastrophe, only a lighter stronger touch of a woman can do it, and a woman who can reach all strata of American society.

        So Harris will be in line for 2024.

        Men posture too much, women have better things to do. That said, anyone in high office is locked into the system we have created for ourselves. (and that we demand should continue)

        Biden/Harris might bend it a bit, but I doubt if it can be changed more than superficially. We can hope.

        But at least Trump has revealed himself (to everyone) as the ultimate petulant child. His self-confessions before 2016 prove that human nature does not change.

        Ominously he has shown the fragility of government, made the first crack where none existed.

        If the multi-crises have not abated a little well before 2024, there will be another ‘Trump’. His so called ideology has not gone away.

        • Kowalainen says:

          Jesus Christ, even AFTER Biden has been sworn in the TDS continue in unabridged strength.

          Imagine someone that capable of riling up the sanctimonious hypocrites. Incredible.

          Forget about Trump for a moment and place your energies somewhere else, like discovering that you have been riled up for nothing.

          🤦‍♂️

          • one thing I do not suffer from, is riling up. ever. (if that applied to me–hard to say)
            I play wordball in here because it is interesting and one learns a lot.. Helps me file my own thought bits into order. Which is why I do it. I’m not interested in agreement or disagreement. I offer no academic formal learning, neither do I cut and paste reams from wikipedia.

            Other people’s minds are much more intriguing than my own vacant space.

            I just observe, mainly from the sidelines, and offer an opinion based on those observations and what has gone before, and so is likely to come round again.

            occasionally right, often wrong.

            my observations and fears ( in that context) are based on global economic demands, and the lack of energy necessary to meet those demands.

            Pretty straightforward I would have thought. I try to make the point that that has got little to do with politics. At least Biden didn’t offer ‘growth’ in his speech today, (did he?) Might have missed it.

            I would be interested in alternative future scenarios, formulated on the above inevitabilities.

            I seriously want Biden Harris to succeed. My thinking though is undoubtedly a lot less than they know already, I’m sure.

          • Tim Groves says:

            To give Norman his due, as a rule, he doesn’t become riled up, or if he does, he is courteous enough never to let his exasperation emerge as personal invective against others on this site. I find this commendable, and an increasingly rare phenomenon these days.

            At the same time, I find his personal animosity towards Trump and his extremely negative opinion of the man to be inexplicable. Although many of my personal American and British acquaintances here in Japan seem to share it.

            What has Trump done to gain such unmagnanimous disapprobation, I think to myself? Since I find Trump’s personality affable and his character bearably good if not unblemished, while I detest both Bushes, both Clintons, both Obamas, Biden and Harris, I can only conclude this is a matter of personal taste.

            • Kowalainen says:

              After the N’th dismissive comment about Orange Man Bad, one start to suspect the syndrome indeed is TD.

              I detest them all.

              Anyway, Trump played his role and placed a clamp on the adventurism of the CCP as per order. It would be crazy (for the owners), for example, to have the CCP run the telecoms/Internet information infrastructure. It is bad enough with all the hacking and malware on the existing systems.

              As for me, I just observe. 👀

        • zero chance for 47. breakdown imminent. governance is certifiably inefficient while requisitions increase exponentially. i pet goat III is near. the only option for sentience is simulation.

        • D3G says:

          “If the USA is to have any hope at all of drawing back from at least the steeper slopes of catastrophe, only a lighter stronger touch of a woman can do it, and a woman who can reach all strata of American society.” …Norman

          As I recall the primaries, it was the lighter stronger touch of another woman, Tulsi Gabbard, who swept the floor with Kamala Harris during a debate. She trailed badly enough to drop out. Now here she is again. While I agree with your premise, I doubt that Harris will be the one who can “reach all the strata of American society”. You are quite the wordsmith, Norman. Cheers.

        • Xabier says:

          But is that really at all plausible? Before the election, Harris stated that all the BLM riots were justified, and that ‘they will and, should’, go on after the election.

          Hardly ‘conciliatory’ and a ‘lighter touch’!!

          With ‘cancelling’ and censorship on social media, and the description of Trump’s supporters as, in effect, domestic terrorists, we seem to be moving towards the proscriptions and political murders of Ancient Rome.

          • I am amazed that BLM has been so restrained so far, especially going back decades, thinking of selma in particular

            • Lidia17 says:

              Perhaps because they aren’t really an organic movement, but a paid force which is applied when convenient to do so?

            • Jarle says:

              BLM, the goood protesters – huzzah!

            • Tim Groves says:

              So, what do you think BLM should be doing, Norman?

              Isn’t burning down small businesses in the centers of almost every US city housing a branch of the Federal Reserve Bank and murdering the occasional detractor who observes that all lives matter enough for you?

              Please spell it out. Don’t just tantalize us with insinuations. How far are you encouraging them to go?

        • avocado says:

          “Men posture too much”. Surely you don’t know Ms the president we had here for 8 years, who even said once she must had been a Pharaoh (or is it Pharaohness in English?) in a previous life, among so many other things

          Perhaps at this turmoiling point in History (some) women are less likely to be perceived by the masses as a “military” ruler, and that’s why they are promoted as better leadership, kinda soft power

          • Robert Firth says:

            avocado, “Pharaoh” doesn’t mean a person; it’s a metaphor. It is derived from ‘per aa’ (“house great”), The Egyptians talked of the Great House as some in the US talk of the White House. So the term applies indifferently to either sex. Hatshepsut (‘ha.t sheps.u.t’, “she foremost of noble ladies”) was also just “Pharaoh”.

    • Ed says:

      Tim, I am going to wait until Friday before reaching any conclusion.

  3. Tim Groves says:

    “Migrants have left the United Kingdom in large numbers, causing what is likely to be the largest population decline since WWII, according to a new study.

    “As many as 1.3 million people born abroad left the UK in just over a year – from July 2019 to September 2020 – the UK’s Economic Statistics Centre of Excellence (ESCoE) think-tank said on Thursday, describing an “unprecedented exodus” driven by the economic fallout from the coronavirus pandemic.

    “The trend was particularly pronounced in London.

    “The ESCoE said almost 700,000 people may have left the capital during the same period. If accurate, that would mean the city had lost nearly eight percent of its population in a little more than 14 months.

    “The analysis was based on UK labour statistics.”

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/15/uk-twin-pandemic-and-brexit-crises-prompt-unprecedented-exodus

  4. TIm Groves says:

    The Italians are revolting! And the Mexicans too!

    Mass civil disobedience is inevitable.

    Although the Irish will be the last to get the memo.

    And the German authorities are planning to put naughty people in camps. Cue John Cleese again!

    Good summary of the latest plandemic news with commentary from Dave Cullen.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/h8hHvqWEXw7s/

    • Tim Groves says:

      I love this guy—Mr. Cullen. He’s smart, serious, sensitive and good humored—a breath of fresh air in these terrible times and the perfect antidote to the lunacy and derangement we encounter so often and so widely these days. Please give him a listen.

      • DavinSmith says:

        Dave Cullen is a waste of space, a far right grifter

        • Jarle says:

          “Dave Cullen is a waste of space, a far right grifter”

          I don’t care a bit who or what he is, in the audio/video above he said a lot of sane things & that’s good enough for me.

      • Jarle says:

        A clear and present voice of logic in this mad world, thank you Tim!

    • I expect that a lot of this is not really true.

      • Jarle says:

        Please expand …

      • Tim Groves says:

        Dave would be the first to admit that a lot of what he’s saying about possible future events is hope based. Whether his take on present events—which like everyone who isn’t actually at the scene, he gets from other people’s reports via the internet, etc.— is accurate or not is amenable to verification.

        For instance, there have been lots of reports that indicate some Italians have been defying lockdowns ever since they were first imposed a year ago. It is not a great exaggeration to say that it’s part of their national character for them to ignore rules and laws.

  5. Pollux says:

    “Further work programs on fields such as Khursaniyah, and legacy assets like Khurais and Abqaiq that need workovers and rehabilitation, are being delayed, the source said, whereas at Aramco’s low-cost giant fields such as Ghawar — the world’s largest — production is increasing.

    “There isn’t a place in Ghawar that doesn’t have a drill, it is very dense. They’re beating the hell out of it.””

    https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/market-insights/latest-news/oil/012021-feature-saudi-aramco-faces-tough-2021-as-rivals-race-for-oil-capacity

    • This is a disturbing article. Saudi Aramco’s promise of $75 billion in dividends to shareholders each year is an albatross on its investment budget. Capital expenditures were reduced by half to $20 billion in 2020 because of the low oil price and the high promised dividend.

      I found this paragraph disturbing:

      Aramco’s tighter spending has resulted in several international contractor companies working on pipeline and offshore projects not getting paid for several months, three sources told S&P Global Platts. The payments are set to be delayed further, with Aramco not intending to make any payments to these companies until 2021, a source added.

      If Saudi Arabia is not making promised payments to contractors, it seems to have big problems.

      The $75 billion dividend is clearly is too much, even if the majority of it will stay within Saudi Arabia, because only a small percentage of the shares were sold.

  6. Jan says:

    What is going to come?

    People and institutions are loosing their common sense and a healthy approach towards reality. That will accellerate breakdown and prevent good solutions.

    Lockdowns and forced vaccinations is not what the world needs in times of peakoil. With energy shortages climate change is not a priority issue. An IT based economy is not a good idea when economic, administrative and technologic complexity is going to decline.

    Some states will fail soon. Spain, Turkey or Croatia with a high dependence on tourism are good candidates. What will be the effects on other states? Governments loose legitimacy, a lot of Germans deny the vaccinations. It will create turmoil to literally force everybody.

    Famine might delegitimate governments additionally. In contrast to WW1 there are no alternative structures if the states fails to secure basic needs.

    Some ideas what to do now:

    – Leave the cities.
    – Cut off from the grid for some weeks to get used to it and find out what you need.
    – Get tools that work mechanically: axe, saw, chisel, plane, knives, mechanical alarm clock, fire steel.
    – Look for natural access to water and firewood, get some chlorine.
    – Get some storage and seeds.
    – Get some cattle, hens or rabbits.
    – Get a geiger detector.
    – Get used to live without PC or smartphone.
    – Stock necessary medicaments.

    There are two kind of things: Some may help for a short time like camping equipment, a chainsaw or good shoes. There are other things that are difficult to make on your own but might keep for generations like axes, spades and chisels. It is difficult to cut pots and cups out of wood with stone tools or make a rake. Books to teach the kids and to learn about herbs and medicine might be a good idea too.

    • el mar says:

      Fernando “Ferfal” Aguirre:

      100 Things That Disappear First, by “FerFAL”
      1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy…target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
      2. Water Filters/Purifiers
      3. Portable Toilets
      4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 – 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
      5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
      6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
      7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
      8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
      9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
      10. Rice – Beans – Wheat
      11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
      12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
      13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY – note – food grade if for drinking.
      14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won’t heat a room.)
      15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
      16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
      17. Survival Guide Book.
      18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
      19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
      20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
      21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
      22. Vitamins
      23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
      24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
      25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
      26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
      27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
      28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
      29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
      30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
      31. Milk – Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
      32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
      33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
      34. Coleman’s Pump Repair Kit
      35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
      36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
      37. First aid kits
      38. Batteries (all sizes…buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
      39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
      40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
      41. Flour, yeast & salt
      42. Matches. {“Strike Anywhere” preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
      43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
      44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
      45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
      46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, “No. 76 Dietz” Lanterns
      47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
      48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting – if with wheels)
      49. Men’s Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
      50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
      51. Fishing supplies/tools
      52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
      53. Duct Tape
      54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
      55. Candles
      56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
      57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
      58. Garden tools & supplies
      59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
      60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
      61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
      62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
      63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
      64. Bicycles…Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
      65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
      66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
      67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
      68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
      69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
      70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
      71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
      72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, Rain proof trousers, etc.
      73. Shaving supplies (razors & brush, creams, talc, after shave)
      74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
      75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
      76. Reading glasses
      77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
      78. “Survival-in-a-Can”
      79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
      80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
      81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
      82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
      83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
      84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
      85. Lumber (all types)
      86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
      87. Cots & Inflatable mattress’s
      88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
      89. Lantern Hangers
      90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
      91. Teas
      92. Coffee
      93. Cigarettes
      94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
      95. Paraffin wax
      96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
      97. Chewing gum/candies
      98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
      99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
      100. Goats/chickens

      Saludos

      el mar

      • ssincoski says:

        Thanks for the reminder list. I’ve been working on this for 10+ years so I’m in pretty good shape. I don’t even consider it prepping, just good to have on hand if you live out in the countryside. Couple of things I need: new reading glasses (3x now) and a couple of cartons of cigarettes. I don’t smoke, but would for sure make a good barter item where I live.

      • JoJo says:

        101; Build second house for stuff
        102; attend hoarders anonymous
        103. prepare for strong “requests”

        Your better off having nothing like everyone else. Live in a shanty. small garden couple goats. make do. Your talking about real wealth. Real wealth takes security. Better to be poor. Sleep better.

        Natives didnt own anything. No one took your knife. You needed that. If you had two someone grabbed the second. You didnt need two. That would be silly.

        Ownership is and has always been force. What is will not be. You dont let people walk on you. You got to be reasonable. If your the new walmart your going to get jacked or spend all your time and energy and moral dilemma using force. Better to be poor. make do. Someone comes for what you need you will be in the right to do what it takes to keep it. Its all you got. You lose that if you got a walmart in your spare house.

    • Artleads says:

      – Leave the cities.

      All 8 bn of us, most of whom now live in cities?

      – Cut off from the grid for some weeks to get used to it and find out what you need.

      Ditto

      – Get tools that work mechanically: axe, saw, chisel, plane, knives, mechanical alarm clock, fire steel.

      What are you going to use them for once you leave the city?

      – Look for natural access to water and firewood, get some chlorine.

      So all the trees will be gone in a week?

      – Get some storage and seeds.

      Where will the storage be? A hole in the ground?

      – Get some cattle, hens or rabbits.

      Holy shit!

      – Get a geiger detector.

      Ditto time 100

      – Get used to live without PC or smartphone.

      Hard to know which way to run without a computer these days.

      – Stock necessary medicaments.

      Sigh!

    • If you start looking into the details, it becomes clear that the project is undoable for a large percentage of people. You will need to buy land for the project and pay taxes on it. You need a lot of skills. There is human labor, fossil fuel energy, and animal labor. Doing all of the work with human labor become an impossible task. (People 100 years ago used animals, but we don’t have enough now.) Things like fencing become difficult without fossil fuels. It takes a brave person to undertake this approach.

      • MM says:

        All the stuff above will run out one day.
        You need a skill that works with simple tools with little resources that you can trade someting and a community of people to exchange things everything else will be provided by … who knows

        • ssincoski says:

          Yes. Good point. But having some of that stuff on hand will help you to get through the initial shock, while others are losing it. I’m still trying to think of some type of useful skill that I could provide. My wife is a massage/physical therapist and has helped several people over the past few years that just showed up at our front gate after messing their back up doing manual labor (hoisting hay into wagons, moving coal). She got them on their feet and gave them some exercises to do at home.

          My problem is that nearly everyone in our village is out of necessity already a ‘jack of all trades’. Not sure what I can add to the mix. Maybe a good first aid course and some supplies for common wounds/injuries?

          • MM says:

            In the case of healing, you might want to look at the work of Hildegard von Bingen and grow some herbs ?

      • Thou Shall Not Be Deceived says:

        Or you just take a shortcut.

        You and your mates or cousins and brothers take the land from someone who has spent 10 years prepping it.

        Using deadly force. There will be no police to stop you.

        • Jarle says:

          Then someone take it from you. Then someone take it from them etc etc.

          Pessimistic is good, right?

        • Xabier says:

          That describes this part of England in the period 900 to 1100: the change of ownership of the land through extreme violence.
          (There was no fighting here when Rome left, though, as far as can be discerned. )

          Saxons, Danes, Saxons, Danes, Saxons, then the Normans and French who finally imposed stability and an iron rule, with a bit of civil war every now and then for entertainment – and the losers, of course, lost their lands.

          When I go to the woods to cut firewood, I often think of all the different peoples who have passed through it, the peasants and the lords who are now not even a name…..

          • I thought peasants and serfs and other untouchables were only allowed to gather firewood, not cut any.

            be careful not to anger your liege lord, he is likely to release the hounds.

            you have planted a Brueghel-esq image in my mind which I will be unable to get rid of for the rest of the day

        • JoJo says:

          If neighbors are decent get them in shape best you can. Im not going to deny family’s with children stuff they need to live. You can help them get in shape now or have them come for the things you need to live later . The better shape your neighborhood is in to source water, produce food, and not freeze to death the better your chances are. There no guarantees. Ive lived around wealthy people and poor. Wealthy people cant get over earning and owning. Poor people can be a pain because of lack of resources. There are decent and not decent among both. Humans tend toward entitlement the flavors vary.

          Theres paper ownership and theres the ownership that comes from sweat and community. THe alternative is sitting in a hole with a rifle 24–7 to eke out a few more days or years. Sorry thats not a life. Thers a diference between protecting life community and families and just sitting in a hole. Theres things worth fighting for but doing it just to eke out a few days or years? To eat your MREs and tuna in your hole? To raid and have your way with someones wife or daughter? To get the drop on someone and enjoy it?

          Is that your legacy?

          If not its time to learn to grow food.

  7. Harry McGibbs says:

    “The head of the Tehran Stock Exchange and the Securities and Exchange Organisation of Iran has quit both posts in the wake of a market crash seen during January 18 to 19, the official Islamic Republic News Agency has reported.

    “News of the resignation of Hassan Ghalibaf Asl did little to quell the fury and frustration of investors who described the first day of the collapse as Tehran’s “Black Monday”. On the Tuesday, with angry protests growing outside the exchange building, trading on the TSE was halted and its website was pulled.”

    https://www.intellinews.com/tehran-stock-exchange-chief-quits-amid-black-monday-fury-200666/?source=iran

  8. Mirror on the wall says:

    UK currently has trade with China worth £80 billion per year.

    > UK free to make trade deals with genocidal regimes after Commons vote

    Defeated measure aimed to give high court more power to protect minorities such as China’s Uighurs

    The government has narrowly defeated a move requiring the government to reconsider any trade deal with a country found by the high court to be committing genocide.

    The measure, backed by religious groups and a powerful cross-party alliance of MPs, was defeated by 319 to 308.

    The move giving the domestic courts a new role in determining genocide had been heavily endorsed by the Lords, and now peers will be asked by campaigners to reinsert the measure in a revised form back into the trade bill so forcing MPs to consider the proposal again.

    A US state department’s declaration that the treatment of the Uighur Muslims represents genocide and crimes against humanity, issued on Tuesday in the midst of the Commons debate, may embolden peers.

    The outgoing US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, called for all appropriate multilateral and relevant judicial bodies to join the US in seeking to hold accountable those responsible for the atrocities.

    “I believe this genocide is ongoing, and that we are witnessing the systematic attempt to destroy Uighurs by the Chinese party-state,” Pompeo said in a statement.

    The genocide amendment was devised by the independent peer Lord Alton as an attempt to break the current impasse whereby the international courts often cannot make rulings on genocide since nation states such as China do not recognise the relevant courts, or veto any reference to such issues. Alton had proposed the UK high court be able to make a preliminary determination that the government would then have to consider.

    Tom Tugendhat, the chair of the foreign affairs select committee, said the “vote was not about whether the courts or parliament decide on genocide. It’s already the courts who decide. The question is whose courts. The international courts are blocked, so this a way for the British people to take back control of our laws and our conscience.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/19/uk-free-to-make-trade-deals-with-genocidal-regimes-after-commons-vote

    • Robert Firth says:

      If the UK government is so keen to protect exploited minorities, perhaps they should start with the underage British girls being exploited by immigrant gang rape groups. And a good start would be to sack the leftist politicians that protect them, and repeal the laws that allow leftist lawyers to prevent them from being deported.

    • Perhaps Britain should think about all of the pollution that they have outsourced to China. It is easy to criticize China, but the countries hoping for cheap imports from China at the same time as pollution problems are exported are guilty as well.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Yes. I have got over the poseurs and the sheep. Humans are what they are and they are not about to change. One should laugh when they ‘criticise’ each other.

        It is the constant dishonesty that gets on my nerves but perhaps that is my failing – I should laugh at myself too for annoyance at the inevitable. Humans, what can one do?

        One may as well complain about the behaviour of chimps or squirrels. But they never let up with the same old hypocritical nonsense. It really can be quite tiring.

        • Kowalainen says:

          Scathing critique of the herds psychosocial condition does not exclude ones own sanity. Rather it should reinforce it.

          You don’t need to change the herd, just yourself, then you have won the only battle that matters.

          Be the abyss that stares back with a grin. Otherwise the Nietzsche destiny awaits.

          😬

  9. Mark Williams says:

    How do we now live? I recommend “Nature Bats Last” website. Live and love more boldly than we ever thought possible.

    • I would agree with “Live and love more boldly than we ever thought possible.”

      Guy McPherson is very concerned with climate change. Some people think he is somewhat “over the top.” I do not follow his site. I have met Guy a few times in person.

      • Tim Groves says:

        Who wouldn’t want to follow Guy’s site? With a record of predictions this dramatic, there’s no telling what he may come up with next.

        Rational WiIki tells us that:
        – In 2007 McPherson predicted the USA’s trucking industry would collapse by 2012 due to peak oil, quickly followed by the interstate highway system.
        – In 2008 he predicted the end of civilization by 2018 due to peak oil, “If you’re alive in a decade, it will be because you’ve figured out how to forage locally.”
        – In 2012 he predicted that global warming will kill much of humanity by 2020.
        – In 2016 he predicted that humanity and most lifeforms will be extinct due to global warming by mid-2026.
        – In 2017 he predicted that global temperatures would be 6° C above baseline in mid-2018 and that Earth would have no atmosphere by the 2050s.
        – In June 2018 he implied that industrial civilization was about to collapse in September 2018, followed by a 1 degree C immediate additional temperature jump due to the end of reflective aerosol production, which would rapidly somehow end all “complex multicellular organisms” on Earth.

        • When Guy McPherson interviewed me, he thought the name of my website was, OurInfiniteWorld.com. He hadn’t read much of what I wrote, either.

          • Apart from those details, if we both think the end is not far away, but for different reasons, it might be that his site would have reasonable insights on that topic. Neither of us have a very good idea on timing.

    • Xabier says:

      Personally, I find it rather hard to live and love boldly as, when I go into town, it’s now a deserted, boarded-up wasteland; with, on every lamp post, fence and building, signs telling us to be afraid and not come near one another.

      The Great Re-set brings only intense isolation, and consequent despair and poverty of life.

      It is Death itself, the demonic negation of humanity, disguised as ‘safety’.

      • JMS says:

        So true. Run for the hills seem to be the only option. But there is hills, there is means and will to do it? Eh… let’s have another whisky while thinking about it. (:

        • Xabier says:

          A good drink, and look up at the stars.

          At least the countryside here is mercifully free of the menacing, moronic, posters and the lurid warning signs.

          I’m off to town now, where hopefully I shall find some silly, terrified, mask-wearers to have some fun with – a game I call ‘How far can I make them jump?’

          A 4-meter detour is the record so far…….

          • Minority Of One says:

            Last week I had someone cross to the other side of a fairly wide street, and I was not even coughing. No mask as usual though. Not unusual if that was they way they were going. Then once they were passed me, they crossed back again. It was dark, maybe she mistook me for the grim reaper.

  10. Harry McGibbs says:

    “For Saudi Arabia, bad news in the oil market has rarely been such a vindication.

    “Two weeks ago, the world’s biggest crude exporter stunned energy traders by announcing that – rather than restore halted production as planned – it would slash supplies by a further 1 million barrels a day.”

    https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/1/19/bb-saudi-arabia-vindicated-as-pandemic-hits-global-oil-demand

  11. Harry McGibbs says:

    “The global price of corn is up more than 60pc in six months and wheat prices are up nearly 40pc. This is adding to fears about a surge in global inflation…”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/01/20/soaring-food-prices-wont-ramp-inflation-unless-have-bad-harvest/

  12. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Time to look again at the financial system’s dangerous faultlines: The west cannot afford another financial crisis. It would be a disaster in every possible way…

    “Last March and April, the fabric of our financial system was stretched almost beyond endurance…”

    https://www.ft.com/content/0d848d03-7d66-4a76-a4f2-8f09980747fa

    • A person wonders when the derivative system will fail, or a too big too fail bank will need bailing out.

      Biden wants to impose more COVID-19 rules. This cannot be good for the US economy.

  13. Harry McGibbs says:

    “India’s troubled shadow banks face mounting challenges to a nascent recovery from the pandemic, with their asset quality set to deteriorate further as flagged recently by the financial regulator.

    “Non-performing assets already swelled in the most recent data to the highest in at least five years, at 6.3% as of March 2020 even before the worst of the pandemic impact…”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-19/a-surge-in-bad-debt-is-set-to-worsen-india-s-shadow-bank-crisis

  14. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Eurozone banks scaled back lending to businesses and households late last year as a resurgence in coronavirus cases across the single currency bloc prompted fresh lockdowns which fuelled fears of rising bad debts, according to a European Central Bank survey.

    “In the final quarter of 2020, banks tightened their lending guidelines and approval criteria for new loans to businesses by the most since the 2008 financial crisis and several of them expected to rein in access to credit further in the first quarter of this year…”

    https://www.ft.com/content/71990315-d346-40bb-81db-52b7f6e58517

  15. MM says:

    Here are two links that might relax you in the issue of the great reset: (machine tranlation might be necessary):
    Social score system:
    https://algorithmwatch.org/en/story/chinas-social-credit-system-overdue/
    Car manufacturing in Germany:
    https://www.heise.de/hintergrund/Engpass-bei-Chip-Produktion-bremst-die-Autofertigung-5025304.html

    The question of OFW minded people might be which development is faster :
    a) build back better when energy per capita can not go up
    b) break of supply chains and diminishing returns due to noit enough energy per capita
    c) a+b combined becaus of some questionable political decisions about COVID-19

    • A break in supply chains would certainly seem to be ahead, given reduced fossil fuel production.

      I was under the impression that the Chinese were further ahead with the social credit system than the article you link seems to indicate. Insurance companies in the US have tried something similar, with scores based on financial credit scores and perhaps a few other things. They were trying to figure out which people might report auto and homeowners claims that represented pre-existing damage, in addition to normal claims.

      I haven’t been directly involved with this, but my impression is that the system tends to discriminate against poor people and some racial minorities. There has been pressure not to use such systems. In a way, this is a form of AI, but using it becomes problematic.

  16. Azure Kingfisher says:

    From, “The Long-Term Impact of the COVID-19 Unemployment Shock on Life Expectancy and Mortality Rates:”

    Authors:

    Francesco Bianchi, Department of Economics, Duke University
    Dongho Song, Carey Business School, Johns Hopkins University
    Giada Bianchi, Division of Hematology, Harvard Medical School

    ABSTRACT

    “We adopt a time series approach to investigate the historical relation between unemployment, life expectancy, and mortality rates. We fit a Vector-autoregression (VAR) for the overall US population and for groups identified based on gender and race. We find that shocks to unemployment are followed by statistically significant increases in mortality rates and declines in life expectancy. We use our results to assess the long-run effects of the COVID-19 economic recession on mortality and life expectancy. We estimate the size of the COVID-19-related unemployment to be between 2 and 5 times larger than the typical unemployment shock, depending on race/gender, resulting in a 3.0% increase in mortality rate and a 0.5% drop in life expectancy over the next 15 years for the overall American population. We also predict that the shock will disproportionately affect African-Americans and women, over a short horizon, while white men might suffer large consequences over longer horizons. These figures translate in a staggering 0.89 million additional deaths over the next 15 years.”

    CONCLUSION

    “We examine the historical relation between life-expectancy, death-rates, and unemployment for the overall US population and groups organized based on race and gender. We use a VAR that allows for observation errors and we find that increases in unemployment are followed by statistically significant increases in death rates and declines in life-expectancy. A sizable fraction of the variation of these two variables can be accounted by unemployment shocks. We then use this historical relation to form predictions about the potential impact of the recession caused by the COVID-19 pandemic on human health. Our results suggest that the toll of lives claimed by the SARS-CoV-2 virus far exceeds those immediately related to the acute COVID-19 critical illness and that the recession caused by the pandemic can jeopardize population health for the next two decades. Based on our findings, African American citizens and women will be suffering more profoundly from the coronavirus-driven recession, adding on to their disproportionate adverse outcome in the setting of acute SARS-CoV-2 infection, Garg et al. (2020). Based on our findings, large, sustained and swift government maneuvers to support the currently unemployed labor force and to abate unemployment will be as equally 26 important as the massive efforts focused on limiting and eventually eradicating transmission of SARS-CoV-2 with effective vaccination strategies that are finally into place.”

    https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28304/w28304.pdf

    • This is a US only analysis. I expect that the impacts of the shutdowns on the poorer countries of the world will be very large, but this isn’t something that gets into this kind of research.

      Certainly, the impact will be larger than the immediate impact. The question is how much. The economy was in such poor shape before the shutdowns and reduction in air traffic that it pushes the world economy in the direction of collapse.

  17. Fast Eddy says:

    More on The Great Reset. Such a reset is IMPOSSIBLE. As soon as we get past Covid we’ll ‘build back better’

    It’s a lie. The end game is eradication. This is all cover for the end of cheap oil and the plan to put us down humanely (humanely… that is an odd word… one might think being put down humanely would mean we’d be tortured, bombed, burned or otherwise dispatched with a great deal of violence).

    Check it out – hilarious!

    https://youtu.be/E0cbIzJy-R0

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      this is all cover for those many exploding spent fuel ponds which happened in mid 2020.

      they don’t want us to know that we are all being irradiated right now.

      • Tom says:

        Oh come on David. The spent fuel ponds aren’t set to explode until 2022. I thought you knew that.

      • doomphd says:

        walk outside and the sun irradiates you with electromagnetic radiation, take a shower, and the dissolved radon gas and daughter nuclides are emitted from the water for you to inhale. you can’t can’t win.

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          sun = vitamin D.

          look at the bright side.

          this is the best of all possible worlds!?

          • doomphd says:

            it’s like a lot of things dave, too much, too little is not beneficial to us. too much sun leads to skin cancer and aging, cataracts, too little and you don’t get enough vitamin D. there are many examples. injest too much copper and it is toxic. too little copper leads to lack of growth and death. we live in a goldie locks world.

            • nikoB says:

              I can’t bear it anymore……….

            • Tim Groves says:

              Oldsters, get that cataract surgery while you still can!

              An American friend of mine aged 75 had his corneas removed and replaced with artificial lenses—under local anesthetic, quite an experience in itself.

              He tells me that his vision is incomparably clearer and that his world has brightened enormously. In fact, he had to wear sunglasses for about a week even when inside because his brain couldn’t cope with the brightness of natural daylight.

              The only drawback of the new lenses is that he can’t change the focus. You get a choice of focal lengths, but after that, you are stuck with it. He chose a short focal length and now he can read and do craftwork without the aid of glasses. But he needs to wear specs when driving.

    • Tim Groves says:

      That was an excellent video, if only to report on the way that lockdown protests are being dealt with in cities around the world by uniformed thugs. Norman worries about impending “fascism”, not realizing that cradle-to-grave control and compliance are already a reality in many former lands of the free.

      It’s also good on the Fourth Industrial Revolution, which I often hear about in the course of examining documents and videos created by companies that are doing their bit to build it. The Internet of Things— the network of physical objects—”things”—that are embedded with sensors, software, and other technologies for the purpose of connecting and exchanging data with other devices and systems over the Internet—which will turn every device, and by some accounts every tin of baked beans and every human being—after all, we are “things” too from an IoT standpoint—into a node in the great network.

      What could be the point of it all?

      Is it just another project, like the Building of the Pyramids, to keep everybody busy? No, that can’t be the case. Because as it grows, it throws more and more people out of work, locking them out of meaningful employment and leaving them to go to seed on a Universal Basic Income—and that’s if they are good boys and girls.

      Is it a way of achieving unheard of efficiencies and logistic miracles? Absolutely? The Fourth Industrial Revolution will automate everything from driving a truck to mowing a lawn to reading the news to brewing beer. Eventually, there is going to be little productive work for people to do. Expendable isn’t the word for it. We are rapidly becoming surplus to requirements. We are becoming anachronistic, quaint, old-fashioned, past our sell-by date as individuals as well as as a species.

      For this reason alone, I think Fast Eddy is on the ball. This future being painted for us does not compute. There isn’t going to be nearly enough of anything to allow us to all live like the Jetsons, or even like the Flintstones. The end-game is eradication. Some will be kept on because they are required to keep the enterprise running, but most people are going to be pulled up by the roots like weeds that the globalist elite have decided don’t deserve to grow where Mother Nature dropped their seeds. To take the analogy a bit farther, the so-called vaccines, rather than being a shot in the arm like the once-popular vitamin B injections, could well be filled with a human equivalent of the herbicide Roundup. According to the company that makes herbicide: “The main active ingredient in Roundup® Weed and Grass Killer products is glyphosate. It works by targeting an enzyme that is essential to plant growth.”

      A more technical explanation I found online reads: “Glyphosate-based herbicides all work on the same biochemical principle – they inhibit a specific enzyme called EPSP synthase. Without that enzyme, plants are unable to produce other proteins essential to growth, so they yellow and die over the course of several days or weeks. A majority of plants use this same enzyme, so almost all plants succumb to glyphosate.

      “If all plants need EPSP synthase to live, why do farmers use glyphosate at all? As use of the herbicide has become popular, scientists developed genetically modified versions of plants that could tolerate the chemical. In fact, as of 2018, 91 percent of the cotton, 94 percent of the soybeans and 90 percent of the corn grown in the United States were so-called “Roundup-Ready” varieties. The idea was simple: the chemical kills the bad plants and leaves the good plants.”

      The same mindset that deems the IoT a good idea and Herbicidal Roundup® a good idea and holds that humanity has vastly exceeded the earth’s carrying capacity—which, to give them credit, is a point of view!— is not going to be averse to deeming Homicidal Roundup® justifiable in the cause of progress. At the present juncture, what sort of brew of chemicals, biologicals and microchips are going to make up this Homicidal Roundup we can only guess at. But if the plan calls for using Homicidal Roundup® selectively and “humanely”, what better method than by making it injectable into individuals?

      • MM says:

        It should be interesting to check if the gut biome in humans use that enyzme and what the effects of blcoking it due to intake of Glyphosate is. A freind of mine is eating mostly organic food but Glyphosae was found in her urine.

        • cradle to grave ‘control’ is the price paid for the ‘civilised’ infrastructure we live in

          your birth is registered, your health is monitored through school and so on, you live by rules that don’t allow you to speed at 100mph in urban areas, drive while drunk, or randomly infringe on other peoples rights too much, steal at random and so on.

          that is our collective choice

          on the other hand, you can take yourself off into the wild frontier, and survive as best you can, watch your kids die of something unpleasant, or be eaten, and enjoy your freedom.

          Seems reasonable to me.

          As to an obsession with fascism, every state that has suffered severe resource depletion (for whatever reason) resorts to autocratic rule.

          They have no choice, because otherwise the mass of people would rise up in open revolt.

          The USA is headed that way, because there aren’t enough resources to support the aspirations of the people.

          Don’t take my word for it, check your history. Also, Chomsky, Hedges and many others

          The obsession with Gates wanting to control your life with vaccinations is a non-issue

          • Xabier says:

            Norman, the ‘we are controlled anyway ‘ argument is a fallacy.

            That’s like Gates when he said recently that ‘we ask you to wear clothes’ and so ‘why shouldn’t you wear a mask when we ask you to?’

            The two are not comparable.

            Worth reflecting on his assumptions in that statement, too.

            • I recall many years ago, when seatbelts were first introduced they were not mandatory.

              I thought they were a nuisance and unnecessary —after all, I’d been driving since the man with the red flag was made redundant. I rarely bothered.

              now of course it’s illegal to drive without wearing one—same applies to crash helmets from when I used to ride a motorbike.

              shock horror–a policeman can stop me and interfere with my civil liberties, and make me wear one, and fine me if I refuse. –or fine me anyway.
              not only that, if I have an accident while not wearing one, my insurance company can invalidate my policy and refuse to pay out.

              more infringements of my human rights

              and to add insult to civil liberties injury, my insurance company can share information on my misdeeds with another company, and put my premiums up into the bargain.

              Conspiracy conspiracy—they are all conspiring against me.

              I’d be interested in knowing the difference between the above, and wearing a mask for personal safety, and thinking of it as a safety issue for all concerned.

              Ah but Gates has suggested we wear masks—so it must be all part of his plot to take over the world.

              We are controlled.

              You have an NI number, plus various other forms of ID. You cannot vanish from public record. You car numberplate is read regularly on long trips—I could go on. Information is control

            • Tim Groves says:

              Well, there’s one difference, Norman. The seat belt and the the crash helmet will certainly help to protect you from death or serious injury in the event of a kinetic incident, such as when your car or bike comes to a sudden stop due to hitting another massive object and you keep traveling on due to momentum.

              Wearing a mask in most situations doesn’t protect you or anyone else from anything. It’s just a symbolic gesture of assent or compliance—the analog of kneeling to express support of BLM or making the sign of the cross or wearing a veil upon entering a church.

              So the road safety rules and the mask wearing rules are not comparable.

            • Jarle says:

              Norman,

              if you’re for face masks I suggest you show us the scientific fundament for wearing them.

          • Minority Of One says:

            >>The obsession with Gates wanting to control your life with vaccinations is a non-issue

            What I get from Fast and Tim’s comments is, Gates et al not so much controlling our lives as ending our lives.

            ‘They’, a small clique of TPTB, have obviously spent a lot of time thinking this through, and therefore know that once the fossil fuels are gone, the number of people that can be sustained globally will drop from the current 7.8 B to what – 100 M?, and life will be pretty tough.

            Our numbers ARE going to drop, drastically. If the numbers can be dropped now-ish, there will be plenty of oil etc left for the remainers, and their slaves. Maybe.

        • Tim Groves says:

          I’m obsessed? WTF do my obsessions matter?

          If you must be concerned, why not be a bit more concerned with the obsessions of those who want to inject everybody with potions that can have been shown to have the potential to quite literally ruin or end their lives, and for which no testing had done to verify their efficacy or long-term safety?

          Just in from Seattle:
          The Seattle Fire Department on Thursday will begin vaccinating residents of adult family homes throughout the city, after the city was approved late last week as a distributor of COVID-19 vaccines, Mayor Jenny Durkan announced.

          Durkan framed the new push as the first in what will eventually be a major city effort to distribute the vaccine from sites spread throughout the city.

          “We have to get these shots out of refrigerators and into people’s arms,” she said. “We hope that if we get steady supplies, we will stand up mass vaccination sites side by side with our testing sites.” …

          Fire Department paramedics will go door to door at adult family homes not served by a federal partnership with CVS and Walgreens. There are about 100 such facilities in the city, fire Chief Harold Scoggins said, with about eight to 10 residents and staff in each.

          Adult family homes serve both older adults and people with disabilities in a residential setting. There are more than 3,300 adult family homes in Washington, and more than 1,200 in King County, according to the state Department of Social and Health Services (DSHS), although it’s unclear how many of them may be served by CVS and Walgreens.

          https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/seattle-fire-will-go-door-to-door-with-coronavirus-vaccines-to-adult-family-homes/

          Old folks and the disabled.

          Now, where have we seen this sort of thing before?

          Surely I don’t have to remind you, Norman, that this is exactly how Nasty Germany started. Do I? I mean, that is another of your own obsessions, so I am sure you are awareof Aktion T4, for instance.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

          • interestingly, you replied only to my last line

          • Xabier says:

            The Nazi element is very strong in all of this, I’d agree.

            Nazism 2.0: they’ve come back for another bite:
            eugenics, population purification and genetic experimentation, eliminating the old and weak, brainwashing the young (hello Greta!), and an ethos of total obedience to the state.

            Not enough firemen?

            Then they could bring in soldiers to deliver the ‘Solution’……

            That no one raises an eyebrow over non-medical personnel performing vaccinations is incredible.

            And that it is all somehow so very urgent to get those needles in arms….

            I pity these poor elderly victims.

          • Robert Firth says:

            Tim, I believe the term you are looking for is ‘Lebensunwertes Leben’, “Life unworthy of life”. The Netherlands recently introduced similar legislation, allowing “assisted suicide” of disabled children with no lower age limit. Josef Mengele would have been proud. Anne Frank, perhaps not.

            We are falling headlong into a very dark abyss.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Old, obese, diseased, disabled, genetically compromised…. if they also include the clinically stupid (which would include all CovIDIOTS)… one might believe this is actually a global eugenics plan.

            What’s not to like?

        • Tim Groves says:

          Here’s my video message to you.

          • Jarle says:

            Hehe, straight out of the rulebook.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              Some of the English like to go on about German history but not so much about their own. It is about the image of themselves that they like to project. ‘We look good, they look bad.’ If ever the British Empire is brought up, the cry is ‘you are trying to rewrite history!’ or ‘Let bygones be bygones!’

            • Tim Groves says:

              Remember, Basil Fawlty is a figure of fun. We are supposed to laugh AT him, not WITH him.

              The party of Germans who dined at Fawlty Towers were the most reasonable and sympathetically portrayed people to appear in the entire series. A lot of the English, by contrast, were quite batty.

          • Name says:

            The nazis were fighting precisely against this globalist cabal.
            Your grandfather fought just so your country could be take over upon by bankers and fraudster.

            All in the name of propaganda and illusions, all of which persist to this day, because the globalists know what is good and bad for them.

            Submit and accept, do not revolt – your destiny is Weimar and you can’t fight back.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Amazingly, neither of my grandfathers fought in either world war.

              My paternal grandfather was born in 1883 and was in he early 30s when WWI started. But fortunately for him he was in a reserved occupation—a docker working in the Port of London.

              My maternal grandfather was born in 1908, and was in his early 30s when the Second World War started. He never saw combat, but went ashore with the British Army at Normandy after the beachheads had been secured. His biggest contribution to the war effort was picking up dead bodies and body parts of fallen soldiers—friend and foe alike—from the beaches and from offshore, and taking them to where they could be identified and disposed of.

        • Tim Groves says:

          cradle to grave ‘control’ is the price paid for the ‘civilised’ infrastructure we live in

          Some amount of control is necessary for civilization, I agree. But a lot of civilizations have managed to get by without resorting to totalitarianism—even though they used much less energy than we do.

          Also, the “control” in the West has been extremely loose and hands-offish in our lifetimes—which is part of the reason why the current situation is so difficult for many people to accept.

          The mainland Chinese and the North Koreans have lived under totalitarianism for so long that compliance with orders from above that would violate what we might understand to be our human rights is second nature to them.

          If the control mechanism is ramped up enough, civilization will become so intolerable that the lure of a barbarian or savage existence or of suicide can become very tempting.

          • totalitarian rule kicks in when the base resources of any civilisation start to collapse

            the reason is very easy to understand, rulers must keep their jobs at all costs…as basic infrastructure collapses, denial becomes more and more violent and oppressive so that rulers can stay in power.

            sustenance gets paid out to an ever shrinking elite, until there’s nothing but the praetorian guard left

            They then go self employed when their wages and perks stop.

            at which point the system implodes.

            like I said–a Ponzi scheme

            Democracy is the child of plenty, poverty makes it an orphan and it starves to death.

            Its a mistake to look for complexity in all this.

            • Tim Groves says:

              totalitarian rule kicks in when the base resources of any civilisation start to collapse

              Not necessarily. Your understanding of totalitarianism is lacking at best. You seem to be using it as a synonym of authoritarianism.

              Authoritarianism (one guy in charge and calling all the shots) and running out of resources have been part and parcel of the human story since forever. Totalitarianism, by contrast, is a modern ideology dating back only as far as the 1920s that attempts to control virtually all aspects of social life, including the economy, education, art, science, private life and morals of citizens.

              Or are you trying to make a case for every ancient tyranny, oligarchy or dictatorship being totalitarian?

              And then there’s the Irish potato famine. The Irish certainly ran out of resources then. Did that mean they were totalitarian?

              It’s not a mistake to look for complexity in all this. Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.

        • MM> thanks for the interesting story.
          As you all probably already know, organic (bio) food could be (non intuitively) spoiled by dropped and contaminated water table from large industrial agri enterprises in the watershed area.. as well as by few other possibilities..

        • D3G says:

          A plant based diet will change your gut biome from dead meat, putrfying bacteria to bacteria that processes living plant material. One thing I have noticed though. While eating entirely plant based, I find that I have a tendency to lean toward bright light.

      • Xabier says:

        Excellent summary, Tim.

        That’s how they are thinking, and it has been very clearly signalled to us over the last few years in all the stories about AI rendering us obsolescent, with no indication of what we are meant to do in life then.

        Efficiency of killing and managing the remaining population will be their priority, and humaneness only if that doesn’t interfere with efficiency.

        One can only have contempt for such evil, but watching naive and ill-informed people actually line up to be injected thinking that they will, after a year of stress, be ‘safe’ is pitiful beyond words. Many no doubt hope for sunny holidays once more, too.

        I am equally appalled that so many doctors are sanctioning these vaccinations, which should still be at only the beginning of the trial stage.

        The brilliance of this plan is that it doesn’t require a mass-movement political party to get it underway, the ‘pandemic emergency’ strategy shows diabolical (perhaps I mean that literally) genius.

        All done with a few key actors making the new rules, and the unthinking compliance of the mass of people.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Yes there is something about this or these… vaccines.. that is suspicious.

        https://www.wired.com/2003/05/feds-race-to-make-sars-vaccine/

        I must admit, on various levels I am excited to see how this plays out.

        The thought of humans going extinct — particularly at their own hand — is likely better than pulling a Michael Hutchence (never tried .. but it must be pretty good to risk strangulation… and death)….

        But even better than that … is the fact that billions of CovIDIOTS — in spite of evidence that demonstrates Covid is no more deadly than a bad flu — and that lockdowns are useless https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality… beg for more… suh … can we have sum moh…. lockdowns… might we have a mouthful of curfew suh…..

        I really cannot wait for that moment when these stupid morons realize that they are about to die … will they come to their senses and realize that hey — we were lied to and we stupidly set the table for the Grim Reaper …. or will they .. use their last gasp of air to murmur … Stay Safe! to their starving family members…

        My money is on option 2. Because the only cure for stupidity, moronism, and CovIDIOCY… is death.

    • This video seems to be about the Fourth Industrial Revolution (at least as far as I got through it). It is pretty strange. I suppose hilarious might be a word for it. It is not something that can really happen.

  18. Fred says:

    Remember the explosion in population has been facilitated by fossil fuels, so as they deplete the population will naturally decline to the lower carrying capacity through all the normal mechanisms – starvation, disease, falling birth rates. It doesn’t take a cataclysm to drastically reduce population over a fairly short time, although wars accelerate things.

    However the elites will be concerned about how the reduction happens without everyone going batshit and destroying everything.

    You could make a case that the pharmaceutical medical regime of the last few decades, esp. vaccinations has been a program to reduce the natural resilience of the population. Look at the increase in cancers, degenerative diseases, weird allergies, autism, decrease in fertility etc.

    Thus when the time comes and the masses are (a) weakened and (b) programmed to eagerly consume toxic medications it makes your population reduction a whole lot easier.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “Remember the explosion in population has been facilitated by fossil fuels, so as they deplete the population will naturally decline to the lower carrying capacity…”

      as they deplete, there will be a reduction in per capita wealth, and most of this wealth is presently in excess of what is necessary to stay alive.

      in other words, prosperity will decline, and probably in advance of population decline.

      there is little indication yet that the 200,000 per day addition to the population is slowing, and certainly not anywhere close to reversing.

      but there are clear indications that wealth is declining, which is ominous if the population continues to rise to 8 or 9 billion.

    • Bob says:

      The growth in population was due to a falling death rate & infant mortality. Birth rate was falling all through that period and still is. Population is already declining in high consumption countries.

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        yes, birth rate is falling in higher consumption countries.

        but with immigration, those populations keep rising.

        there might be a few third world basket cases that are declining now, but it is not enough to effect the +200,000 per day which still is the accepted data.

  19. JoJo says:

    Shocking footage of the domestic trr implementing their diabolical failed cou attempt. We need another 30k troops maybe some tactical nukes to deal with this!

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/FkzvQJDjTGWh/

  20. Fast Eddy says:

    This is a must watch interview:

    https://youtu.be/7FNNyI7Zug0

    And it supports the view that the Elders are shutting down the economy to conserve remaining oil… and prepping us to be eradicated. 🙂

    • Bei Dawei says:

      This is an interview with Stephen Malthouse, a homeopath. (Homeopathy is an unrecognized alternative health modality which believes that diluting medicine with water strengthens it.) Most of the interview centers on his medical objections to the vaccines, but at the very end he speculates on why The Powers That Be are pushing Covid vaccination, and censoring objections to it: (a) in order to kill us, (b) in order to make money from us, and (c) for surveillance purposes (through the use of “health passports” and the like), which could lead to everything being monitored and controlled, and the end of private property. You decide how consistent these three goals are. There is no mention of “the Elders” (or their possible ethno-religious identity), or oil.

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        real actions and events recently show the choice is (b).

        which is very consistent with human nature.

        • we ain’t dealing with people’s motivations. 1 byte of real world virus data is worth 1 barrel of oil. as long as you can affoard the oil to process the data. stalemate!

      • Xabier says:

        The rapid-‘vaccine’ programme and the Covid terror narrative accomplish many ends all at once – rather elegant, from their point of view, and hard to escape, from ours.

        • Jarle says:

          … but escape we shall!

          • Xabier says:

            We can escape in our hearts and souls, certainly.

            They might well get our bodies though!

            We have until the end of this year before the trap closes fully.

            Let’s hope that peaceful but firm civil disobedience to lock-downs grows.

        • Artleads says:

          One of the two most prominent COVID terrorists in my area asked to join a Facebook group I administer. Something (perhaps perverse) in me insists on not blocking entry for such people. So does he want to spy on everything I write? We are permitted ONLY a limited number of responses, and they all must comply with the agenda of COVID terrorism, which does seem to cut across every single issue. If you depart from an agenda of abject terror leading to universal vaccinations (if you suggest ways to keep healthy short of vaccinations), are you thereby put on the enemy list?

          • Artleads says:

            Is there a way to avoid entrapment? it’s hard to see it from this angle.

            • Xabier says:

              Sounds as though they have far from honest motives.

              How far we have fallen in just one year: having to be worried, now, that simply recommending vitamins, etc, and pointing to mortality stats in the public domain might be regarded as subversive and dangerous ‘disinformation’…..

      • vbaker says:

        https://vaccinechoicecanada.com/in-the-news/open-letter-to-dr-bonnie-henry-from-dr-stephen-malthouse/

        Says is a Member, College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      this also is corroborated by all those exploding spent fuel ponds in mid 2020.

      • stop treading on someone else’s conspiracy

        it’s private property

      • Well, the word in scientific circles is that Ukraine is severely undershooting the proper maintenance on their (legacy USSR) NPPs.
        Despite receiving addressed foreign aid, which is channeled (stolen) to other purposes.. Hopefully, the prevailing wind patterns won’t make it an issue (in the W), but you never know.

        FE’s focus on “spent fuel ponds” and in general other enviro hazards from disrupted JITs (incl. maintenance) of industrial civ are indeed a real concern.

        However, for now as quasi BAU is still available (somewhere) it will be more like limited isolated accidents, but probably increasing in severity and closer to the core countries as the time goes by.

        • Xabier says:

          The elements of BAU which we are still permitted to enjoy under this new authoritarian regime reminds me somehow of life in the Warsaw Ghetto, in WW2.

          People continued to trade in the Ghetto: those with access to clothing, food and medicine traded them for the valuables of the richer internees, anticipating great profits after the war had ended.

          Everyone thought they would be released one day.

          What release did they get? Extermination – most of them.

        • Minority Of One says:

          I am not a spokesperson for Fast. But I have always understood his position to be, once nuclear waste cooling ponds and nuclear power stations are no longer maintained, post-collapse, they will all blow up. And I entirely agree. It is not rocket science. Suggesting that because they have not blown up yet, before collapse, Fast is therefore wrong, is odd.

          • Yorchichan says:

            A few years ago Fast Eddy and many others here believed that once the financial system collapsed, as it inevitably would, international trade would grind to a halt. In the ensuing collapse it would not be possible to keep cooling water circulating to the spent fuel pools, resulting in fires, a huge release of radioactivity and human extinction. A good theory that I too went along with. The problem with the theory was that it assumed the elite are nothing but passive observers like the rest of us.

            It seems now that the elite have a plan to replace the current financial system before it collapses, and thus allow international trade to continue for many years. Just like they have plans to cut down on energy usage and to eliminate the excess population so that they themselves have enough energy for decades to come. Doubtless they have a plan on how to deal with the spent fuel pools too.

            Whether the plans will work is anybody’s guess.

            • there is only one certainty about the future

              it will not be what you think

            • Artleads says:

              Just as a “reminder” of sorts, they could use existing energy resources to bury the waste in a million places, an accident in any of which, would not kill off everybody.

            • At best, I expect we will be able to slightly mitigate some of the problems. We are not in charge of how the world economy, with all its parts, operates.

              We don’t know what is ahead. Maybe there is a reason why a higher radiation level might be desirable, for example. It might help humans mutate into a slightly different form that can better deal with the way the earth and its biosphere is changing.

              We think we have to “fix” everything, but maybe we really can’t.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Yes of course… they are going to replace the financial system with one that does not require cheap energy to operate.

              What will this system look like? There’s a website that provides details https://time.com/collection/great-reset/

              Sounds wonderful no? All that is missing is a gentle Koombaya track….

              So in short. There is no ‘Great Reset’ coming… but that heap of shit does calm some of the CovIDIOTS who are getting a little anxious…

              My money remains on the following:

              – increasing lockdowns and curfews driven by continuing ‘mutations’ of the dreaded Virus culminating in global martial law (see Lebanon – 24 hour STAY HOME – people are not even allowed out to buy food or exercise)

              – the CovDIOTS will welcome these measures particularly when they are told the Mutant Virus is very dangerous to their little monsters (aka children)… this threatens Mr DNA so they will beg for measures that help them Stay Safe

              – the end game will be 8 billion people cowering in their homes — waiting for the food delivery trucks to arrive.

              – the few that dare to defy martial law will be fined/arrested/shot dead.. after their neighbours call the Covid Hotline to report them.

              – then one day the food will not arrive — the PTB will promise that it will arrive tomorrow — always tomorrow …

              – the CovIDIOTS like good little stupid morons will peer out their windows timidly waiting for the food to arrive — keeping their morale up by repeating Stay Safe every few minutes… (meanwhile thinking about how to skin and cook the family pet … and thinking of how tasty the neighbour’s two yr old would taste – Mr DNA will be getting a little … edgy…)

              – the CovIDIOTS will then begin to experience the first stages of starvation… apathy and listlessness will set in – for more details on the stages of starvation click here:

              https://www.disabled-world.com/fitness/starving.php

              Doesn’t sound too bad eh? Top of my head the only thing that might deliver a more peaceful death would be falling asleep in a bank of snow … I hear that is a wonderful way to go. 10 Extra Strength Oxycontin and two bottles of good red wine would probably be rather pleasant.

              Now before you scream How Dare They Put Us Down Like This!!!

              Let’s think about the alternatives….

              1. They just continue to do what they have been doing since 2008 until one day — the financial system implodes. What happens then?

              No electricity – no police – no food. The table is set for some very bad actors to emerge — heck even previously good people – when faced with their children starving (Mr DNA will not take that lying down)… can become very bad people indeed. Whatever it takes… including cannibalism…. Does anyone really want to be alive during a global Holodomor????

              So lets say you are a tough guy — you and your tough mates roam the countryside raping robbing and killing preppers. Kinda like Vikings…

              Then one day you start to vomit … your hair falls out… and you look like those chaps in the series Chernobyl… then you die and very painful death

              Given the choice would you not prefer to gently fade away through starvation rather than try to fight what is a guaranteed losing fight that ends in total mayhem and/or terminal illness….

              Doesn’t matter what you want. The Elders have decided for you.

              Because the Elders and their consultants have looked at this from every angle – and they have concluded it’s guaranteed extinction.

              And I quote from the Canada leak – which essentially is an edict from the Elders (but it is not the entire plan… I am sure Trudeau knows the end game — but of course he has to cloak this in ‘Great Reset’ BS — and even that caused much gnashing of teeth … imagine if he told the insiders that the end game is extinction?)

              The other reason I am doing this is because roughly 30% of the committee members are not pleased with the direction this will take Canada, but our opinions have been ignored and they plan on moving forward toward their goals. They have also made it very clear that nothing will stop the planned outcomes.

              Essentially we were told it was our duty to make sure we came up with a plan to ensure that would never happen. We were told it was in the individuals best interest to participate. When several committee members pushed relentlessly to get an answer we were told that those who refused would first live under the lock down restrictions indefinitely.

              So as you can imagine after hearing all of this it turned into quite the heated discussion and escalated beyond anything I’ve ever witnessed before. In the end it was implied by the PMO that the whole agenda will move forward no matter who agrees with it or not. That it wont just be Canada but in fact all nations will have similar roadmaps and agendas.

              That we need to take advantage of the situations before us to promote change on a grander scale for the betterment of everyone.

              The members who were opposed and ones who brought up key issues that would arise from such a thing were completely ignored. Our opinions and concerns were ignored. We were simply told to just do it.

              JUST DO IT!!! Ha…

            • Time tells its readers that the members of the World Economic Forum are the great thinkers of the world. Oh, dear!

            • JMS says:

              It also seems quite logical to me, at least from the point of view of the eld.ers. But I don’t see how they could ever deal with a danger (nuclear plants and spent fuel) that would require at least centuries of semi-BAU. That’s not possible.
              But of course they can legitimately think that “centuries of semi-BAU” is infinitely better than total mayem.

          • Christopher says:

            I don’t believe blowing up is the issue. At least not blowing up from a fissile chain reaction. Fissile chain reactions require quite a lot of conditions to be fulfilled in order to occur. You create these in a bomb or a reactor.

            The youngest spent fuel rods will, if not kept in ponds of water, heat and reach temperatures where the most volatile radioactive products, like caesium and iodine, will be gasified and emitted. How far they reach you can only guess. Caesiums boiling temp is 671 C. Below that temp it will be less volatile but of course also aerosols can be transported far.

            My guess is that in case of a sudden global collapse most of the harmful radiactive impact will end up in the vicinity of the storage places of the spent fuel. In order for aerosols to be transported far they need to reach a decent altitude. Something powerful like a graphite fire, in the Chernobyl case, need to push them high enough.

      • Peak Oil Pete says:

        Are you referring to the same fuel ponds that were predicted to explode in..
        2015,
        and 2016,
        and 2017,
        and 2018,
        and 2019 ?
        🙂

        • Kowalainen says:

          I’m sure the elders haven’t thought about those spent fuel ponds.

          And that financial/supply chain crash that is supposed to materialize out of nowhere because the “market” loses “confidence”.

          It is totally and utterly hogwash. Look, they own everything, including you. When the oil party is over, well, then it is over and the perpetual utopia of fusion power is still 50 years into the future.

          Big fat curtailment coming your way. Deal with LTG scenario 3 hardcore. Energy too cheap to meter didn’t materialize. It is what it is.

          Repeat after me:

          LTG scenario 3 hardcore.

  21. JoJo says:

    Gail I am sure you have a higher iq than me. Because of that I cant help but question if you have dug in a little deeper into how this works. A couple of the statements you have made stick out to me. My perception of the words that we use in regards to the pandemic are that they are close loop in regard to their relationships.

    If i say “could you get me a apple from the table” the nouns in that sentence are open loop. You know and can confirm what a apple is/ You know and can confirm what a apple is. If I take a separate relationship. “clear the dishes from the table” those relationships also are known and the noun interchanges. It is the interchangability of the relationships that verifies them.

    As we enter the world of science we are no longer to have relationships that are so easily observable. The relationships become abstract. For instance we have relationships in economics nowadays that are considered absolutes. Anyone succeeding in economics accepts these relationships as valid.

    Some of the relationships in science are more verifiable than others. As you dig in you understand the relationships they make sense. Usually no one digs in. All relationships are trusted with equal ignorance

    For the most part because it takes a considerable investment in time we just accept these relationships. Now we are in a situation where understanding some of these relationships has direct implications dor both our liberty ad our precious quality of life. We can either learm more about the meanings of the words or accept the paradigm what some call “dogma”.

    Science has been a process of constantly collapsing paradigms as they prove false. When the paradigm is in place it is regarded as absolute. It is ridiculed only after collapse. Certainly these abstract methodologies have value. Do they serve us as individuals and our society is a different question.

    Consider these laymen terms
    germs
    pandemic
    infection
    quarantine

    They are closed loop. They have meaning only by the relationships of those particular words . None demonstrate the interchangeability with outside words that we use to validate meaning. We count on others to demonstrate the validity of their meaning. To verify that the relationships are correct.

    Lets consider your phrase “genetic code” . We know what a code is. It is a abstract relationships. If I look at code on a computer it is a actual reflection of the actions performed. It is directly observable. If i change it the actions of the computer change. The abstract is directly verified.

    Lets consider a example of creating genetic code.

    “We built a mutation-annotated reference SARS-CoV-2 phylogeny with two main macro-haplogroups, A and B, both of Asian origin, and more than 160 sub-branches representing virus strains of variable geographical origins worldwide, revealing a rather uniform mutation occurrence along branches that could have implications for diagnostics and the design of future vaccines. ”

    Its clear that their is choice being exerted in the representation are arbitrary. This is a model. A simulation. Unlike computer code their is no direct way to verify the code. More important than that the code in a computer IS WHAT THE ESSENCE IS.
    The code is the entity. Contrast that with the above where the “code” is a simulation of a unknown thing.

    Very different things. same word . Code.

    I stand by metaphor above. Genomes are simulations. They make them using abstracts that are unverifiable except through other abstracts. The means by which they are validated or discarded is yet another abstract. The means by which a MRNA effects the simulation contains multiple abstracts. It could possibly be verified. What can not be verified is other effects of the MRNA vaccine. The robot as described above even if it milled out a extra inch of material that could be directly measured and verified. The metaphor above is actually charitable IMO.

    Atypically we now enter “how could you possibly understand”. Just like economics. Thats usually just fine. But this concerns my body. my life. I wont base my health and life on these abstracts when there are other much much much more verifiable relationships to deal with this crisis. Vitamins. Exercise. Ivermectin. If others choose to do so with blind trust that is their choice. They may feel sad about my choice based on their beliefs. I feel sad about anyone who injects this MRNA actor into their body. I respect their choice even as sad as it makes me feel.

    Seriously? Inject a MRNA actor into your beautiful body based on this?

    • We are certainly at the edge of our knowledge, and perhaps beyond.

      The one thing that makes me think that researchers might know a little more about viruses than you are giving them credit for is the fact that they seem to have been tinkering with making new viruses for 20 years. Apparently they have been splicing together pieces from different viruses. They have been using them to infect mice and other mammals. They keep hoping that they don’t inflect themselves.

      There certainly is a whole lot of what I would call modeling that goes on. “If such and such happens, we expect something else to happen.” Side effects and long term effects are things no one can really know. People have a lot more faith in modeling than they should. There is no doubt modeling used in the virus and mRNA vaccine studies, but I don’t understand it well enough to comment on it.

      If I were a young person, I would be very hesitant to take a mRNA vaccine. For an older person, it may not make much difference. If it reduces the chance of a bad outcome of the illness near term, that may be sufficient for a person to decide to take the vaccine. The person’s remaining life expectancy is not all that high to begin with. There are a lot of chanced people have to take.

      When you start getting to economic and energy modeling, I think that nearly all that has been done is just plain misleading. The 1972 study “The Limits to Growth” got the story pretty close to right, but the EROEI modeling equates things that shouldn’t be equated. Economists have been sure that high prices would signal any shortage, but that is not the way systems really work.

      • Jason says:

        I hope I don’t offend anybody but telling a young person to be hesitant to take the mRNA vaccine is similar to telling a Jewish person in Nazi Germany to be hesitant to wear the Jewish badge.

      • Artleads says:

        I don’t see that sort of difference between a young or old person. If old people’s lives (and quality of life) are important to them, and if they feel still able to contribute to society, their life might be worth more to them than a disillusioned and negative young person’s life might mean respectively. So I wouldn’t advise an old person to take a vaccination if they don’t wish to.

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          Why would an older person (or anyone) measure the ‘worth’ of their life to themselves by whether they ‘contribute to society’? That would be their ‘worth’ to other people. At some point, people have to start living for themselves and for their own dear ones. That is the ‘worth’ of their lives to themselves.

          Anyway, I do not think that is what Gail was getting at. Rather, with fewer years left, they might not be so concerned about any unknown long term effects of a vaccine. If one expects to be dead anyway then longer term effects are of no relevance. I am sure that you understand that point.

          • Artleads says:

            I’m not aware of a reason (or way) to separate what one does for oneself from what they do for others.

            • Robert Firth says:

              Artleads, I agree. My whole professional life was a life of service. Self denial for the greater good? No: for the pursuit of my own happiness, for I was never happier than when serving my fellow men. And now, my children and grandchildren.

              Another old schoolboy hymn comes to mind and memory:

              “Teach me my God and King
              In all things thee to see
              And what I do in anything
              To do it as for thee.”

  22. A post-Brexit England will probably have to do a lot of historical cleansing, like what was done in USA.

    First, the Dukes of Marlborough, Wellington and other noble titles established for killing Europeans should be abolished.

    That means the end of Waterloo Bridge (probably to be renamed Mahatma Gandhi Bridge), Trafalgar Square (Nehru Square) and Vittoria station (renamed after Mohammed Jinnah, the father of Pakistan), etc.

    Although I don’t like the influence of the Subcontinent in England, at least they didn’t run around killing fellow Europeans who could have contributed more to the civilization.

    A poor, insignificant England will probably see a lot of changes, none of them good for the natives.

    • Karl says:

      I’ve always been curious how the English aristocracy will fair during the energy descent. I wonder if they have the necessary bloodlust of their conquering forefathers to retain their titles and lands. I would think turning the natives against the colonials when it comes down to nut cutting time might Work. Of course, once the energy and money runs out the colonials might choose to decamp to whence they came.

      • Tim Groves says:

        Now that their Common Agricultural Policy payments are disappearing, the landed gentry are hoping to survive on subsidies for wind turbines.

  23. We are going back to the world before 1914.

    The peasants had a more less great 100 years, but it is up.

    Back to dawn-to-dusk labor with no security.

    I have a collection of the Baedeker guides. The will be the future again.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      not me.

      in the “life is not fair” column, I have had a great BAU in IC ride.

      the train is still moving down the track though slower.

      when the train derails, I will probably already be dead.

      otherwise, I will not be laboring dawn to dusk, and will perish quickly.

      oh well, since we were children, we knew the end was certain.

      but today is not the end, so bAU tonight, baby!

      • VFatalis says:

        Quite the opposite David

        The train is moving faster, and is perfectly on track

        Better die soon if you don’t want to know where it’s headed

        A “Vaccine Macht Frei” sign can be seen at the gates.

        BAU is already fading away, what you have left

        is a mere illusion of it.

  24. D3G says:

    Norman

    I’m hesitant to offer another video for you to watch, Norman, but here goes. 😁 It’s a short overview which might inspire you to learn more about plant based nutrition. Cheers, D3G. Thanks for the use of your cushion.

    https://www.kinderworld.org/videos/health/dr-milton-mills-are-humans-omnivores/

    • Thanks for that video—I learned a lot from it, stuff I didn’t know.

      my thinking about babies might be correct
      https://www.sutterhealth.org/health/childrens-health/are-vegan-diets-ok-for-babies-and-toddlers

      also a breastfeeding baby is not vegan. it is taking what it needs from the mother’s body.
      there used to be a movement against breast feeding years ago, that has been largely debunked now

      However the doc featured did start going on about institutionalised racism, when it came to diet promotion
      seems the southern coloured races are lactose intolerant , while the northern white races are not, seems nobody quite understands that.

      monkeys, with whom we share a common ancestor, are omnivores, though not compulsively so like us.

      I admit to having missed the steroscipic vision thing on grasping branches—or even clutching at straws

      • Before the Korean War (1950), wet nurses were used to breastfeed the scions of Korea’s elites, and the children of the wet nurses , coming from poorer backgrounds (Korea had slavery against its own people until, again, around the time of Korean War) were fed lightened gruels. Those who perished, perished. Those who survived, became the laboring class.

        That will return.

      • D3G says:

        The most perfect food for a developing infant is most definitely mother’s milk. Vegan moms who substitute for it are in a catagory all their own. I’m a plant based enthusiast for my health and not a ‘vegan’ in that I still have leather furnishings, shoes, car seats and my old flying jacket. While plant based life styles happen to be vegan, the vegan concept can be far more encompassing. Anyway…

        D3G

  25. Harry McGibbs says:

    “North Korea on brink of famine as secretive state further cuts itself off from the world:

    “Observers warn of repeat of ‘Arduous March’ of 1990s when millions died of starvation… the food situation for many North Koreans is clearly extremely precarious.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/north-korea-brink-famine-secretive-state-cuts-world/

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “According to the new figures, over 18 million people in Afghanistan, including 9.7 million children, are desperately in need of life-saving support, including food…”

      https://www.dailysabah.com/world/asia-pacific/nearly-10-million-children-in-war-ravaged-afghanistan-face-hunger-aid-group-warns

      • Afghanistan is another “too little energy consumption per capita” country. The fact that the country is land-locked is a major handicap because both imports and exports require expensive over-land transport, raising the cost of imports and making exports less competitive. The transport clearly requires energy as well.

        Another issue is lack of adequate water for cooling towers for electric generation requiring such towers. Nuclear is often situated at the edge of the ocean, to provide adequate water supply.

        • Robert Firth says:

          Gail, when Afghanistan was ruled by pagan Greeks it was called ‘Bactria’, and it was the jewel of Central Asia. It was rich because of its much prized horses, and it was connected by the Silk Road to China and Europe. Its king Menander is featured in one of the great Buddhist texts, the ‘Milinda Panha’.

          Afghanistan may need better roads and more water, but what it really needs is civilisation.

    • N Korea is on the brink of famine because an insane leadership deludes itself that world class armaments are affordable.

      the USA has just authorised a defence budget package of $1.4 trn. when 40+ million people are on food aid, the infrastructure is crumbling, and mass healthcare does not exist

      But at least soldiers in both countries are employed

      other than that I can’t see much difference

      • The railway system in NK is probably in better shape and hauls more cargo, comparatively speaking. As we march through the deGrowth vortex such “plus and minus” points will be quickly reminding people that..

        • rail road or air system is irrelevant

          if the rail system is too heavily involved in supporting the armaments fantasy, then it is equally involved in crashing the economy

          transport systems consume energy

          • Another hint, there could come a point where “famines” in both places became “shockingly” of more or less the same severity.. or even these places switch the pole position, perhaps also thanks to that rail factor..

            • I agree absolutely

              when uk had a navy as big as any 2 others in the world, poverty and starvation were rife.

              At the start of ww 1, recruits from the working class were 6” shorter on average than those of the elite rich

              The correlation is clear

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          Degrowth will be presented to us as ‘green’ – ‘moral’ and even ‘holy’.

          “Oh look at what good people we are, degrowing economies for the planet’s sake.”

          Which raises questions about how gullible we are and how we have been manipulated with the same basic tricks through the centuries.

          “The Lord God made them high and low and ordered their estate.”

          “Blessed are the poor.”

          Morality and religion are often used by the state as social control of the gullible masses.

          ‘Humilty, lowliness, poverty, frugality, loyalty, service’ – feudal ‘values’ for peasants.

          Arguably we are headed for a neo-feudalism and ‘greenism’ is a part of that. ‘Eco-austerity’ – penance and ‘virtue’ for the ‘new age’.

          • Robert Firth says:

            “The Lord God made them high and low and ordered their estate.”

            I used to sing that hymn as a schoolboy. But I remember it a little differently:

            “The rich man in his castle
            The poor man at his gate
            God made them high and lowly
            And ordered their estate.”

            And a quick trip via Google informs me that I was letter perfect. The wonders of the human associative memory never cease to amaze me.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              I am sure that you are correct – although my version ‘works’ better rhythmically and rhetorically imo. But as you say, it is a childish song – and the ‘correct’ rhythm is more ‘childish’ – ‘high and looowly’ – rather than my punchy regularity with a slight duration on the final ‘estaate’. Also, my use of ‘Lord God’ ties in with the aristocratic theme of set estates. I may have rhetorically reworked it for that exact use at some point lol.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              Also, the rhythmic and rhetorical emphasis on ‘lowly’ ties in with the ‘lowliness’ (height) of the young kids and encourages them to identify with the ‘virtue’ – it is mental conditioning.

            • part of the caste system to keep you in your place

              obviously didn’t work

            • A world Chuck Fitzclarence and his 200 Worcestershire men helped to destroy.

              Soon we are going back to such world.

            • Robert Firth says:

              Mirror, your version does not work better rhythmically. The hymn is structured as four lines each an iambic trimeter, with alternate masculine and feminine lines. It is perfectly designed for a musical setting.

              Sigh: thank you, Aristotle’s “Poetics”

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              This sounds more your field, but iambic trimeter should be 6/6 6/6 – the hymn is 7/6 7/6? The rhythm sounds a bit g/y to me. But I am more at home with military marches than hymns anyway.

              It turns out that my section is in common meter that alternates iambic tetrameter and iambic trimeter. 8/6 8/6. (Yes, I looked it up.) It is called ‘common’ because it formed the usual pattern that allowed songs and tunes to be interchanged – not because of any implied vulgarity lol. It is used in Amazing Grace eg.

              Yeeees, some of things that we worry about on here lol.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              “obviously didn’t work”

              Very true, I really do not take to subordinate positions as a default setting and I never did. Some of us are just not made for it.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              “A world Chuck Fitzclarence and his 200 Worcestershire men helped to destroy.”

              Germany was already, finally, industrialising before WWI and breaking down its old aristocracy. The events after WWI were partly a neo-feudal reaction to that – late onset Romanticism. Industrial capitalism put an end to feudalism, and the British can, I suppose, be ‘blamed’ for that, though no one forced Germany to imitate Britain.

      • Z says:

        Both are home to the most brainwashed and propagandized people in the world!!!

        USA USA USA!!!!

        DEAR LEADER!! DEAR LEADER !! DEAR LEADER!!!

    • North Korea is on the brink of famine because of too little energy consumption per capita. They are in a fairly cold area, so they need some energy for heating. They are not able to fertilize crops enough and mechanize production.

      There is little “demand” from the many poor citizens. The only demand can come from government spending. Like many other resource-poor countries, this spending comes on the military. It at least provides some jobs and demand.

      • but surely military spending just drains what little surplus there is, it doesn’t alleviate the food deficit of the mass of the people

        shouldn’t that be too little energy availability per capita

        • JoJo says:

          I agree with you Norman. Military spending makes little sense in a world of finite resources.
          I wonder if women could be leaders if that might be progress by nature of their greater connection to the ether of the planet via childbirth. If a woman who had this connection that many do could be selected. As it stands it seems to me that the women who are selected as leaders exemplify the worst of the masculine qualities.

          • I agree
            women argue a lot but it rarely gets physical

            at least not until she’s won the argument

          • Robert Firth says:

            Women as leaders? Such peaceful creatures as Cleopatra Philopater, Zenobia of Palmyra, Boudicca of the Iceni, and let’s not forget Margaret Thatcher. And guess what, I admire them all, because they had no illusions about the times in which they lived.

  26. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Militant attacks that have forced hundreds of thousands of people to flee their homes in Mozambique’s northern Cabo Delgado province have created a humanitarian crisis, the U.N. World Food Programme (WFP) said on Tuesday.

    ““What is happening is nothing short of a food security and nutritional crisis,” WFP spokesman Tomson Phiri told a U.N. briefing. “This is a humanitarian disaster.””

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mozambique-insurgency-food/violence-create-food-crisis-in-northern-mozambique-wfp-idUSKBN29O1DX

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Clashes between rival ethnic groups in Sudan’s South Darfur state have left 55 people dead, a day after more than 80 people were killed in separate clashes elsewhere in the restive region…

      “Key issues include land ownership and access to water.”

      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/18/47-killed-in-sudan-s-darfur-fighting-local-leader

      • Harry McGibbs says:

        “Almost a quarter of Lesotho’s population will require food aid between January and March as a result of Covid-19 restrictions, the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) has warned.”

        https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/jan/19/landlocked-lesotho-faces-food-crisis-amid-covid-border-closures

        • I looked up Lesotho in Wikipedia.

          Regarding employment, it says:

          The majority of households subsist on farming. The formal sector employment consists mainly of female workers in the apparel sector, male migrant labour, primarily miners in South Africa for three to nine months, and employment by the Government of Lesotho (GOL). The western lowlands form the main agricultural zone. Almost 50 percent of the population earn income through informal crop cultivation or animal husbandry with nearly two-thirds of the country’s income coming from the agricultural sector.

          Regarding resources, it says,

          Water and diamonds are Lesotho’s significant natural resources.

          Wikipedia makes it sound like Lesotho is completely self-sufficient in electricity, and also sells water to South Africa. If this is true, Lesotho is an example of a country with adequate electricity, but this not helping agriculture. I wonder how much the country’s debt payments are with respect to its dams, relative to the revenue that the sale of the hydroelectric power is providing.

          I would expect diamond prices to move with commodity prices in general. I cannot imagine that diamond exports are doing well right now, but I couldn’t find diamond prices/quantities. Female workers in the apparel industry are likely out of jobs as well.

  27. Harry McGibbs says:

    “African central bankers meeting in the next two weeks amid a resurgent coronavirus may find they’ve used up most of their interest-rate ammunition to lift their economies out of recessions that still affect much of the continent.”

    https://www.news24.com/citypress/business/african-central-bankers-have-run-out-of-policy-space-to-fight-recessions-20210119

  28. Harry McGibbs says:

    ““With each passing day, the lives of Lebanon’s citizens, migrants and refugees is becoming more unbearable; the poverty rate has doubled and the extreme poverty rate has tripled in the past year,” Aya Majzoub, Lebanon researcher at Human Rights Watch, told DeutscheWelle.”

    https://egyptindependent.com/lebanons-downhill-spiral-hits-the-weakest/

  29. Harry McGibbs says:

    “President Biden Has Limited Flexibility In Moving Against Oil Industry:

    “The Obama administration eventually had to accept that the booming domestic oil and gas industry was too important to the national economy and employment to dismantle.”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/daneberhart/2021/01/19/president-biden-has-limited-flexibility-in-moving-against-oil-industry/?sh=963a6ca7c892

  30. Harry McGibbs says:

    The debt question facing Janet Yellen: How much is too much?

    “In the past four years, US government debt held by the public has increased by $7 trillion to $21.6 trillion. President-elect Joe Biden has committed to a spending program that could add trillions more in the year ahead…

    “Among the skeptics is Valerie Ramey, an economist at the University of California San Diego. She said some economists see the gap between interest and growth rates as a “free lunch,” enabling more borrowing, but that it was more like a “free snack.” The gap tends to be relatively small over time, and now it is trivial compared with the growth of US debt.

    “What we are having here is just gluttony in terms of what the government is doing,” she said.

    “The IMF study’s authors have another warning about running large deficits. Fiscal-policy crises that push interest rates sharply higher tend to come out of nowhere, even when rates are low. “Market expectations can turn quickly and abruptly,” the authors, Paolo Mauro and Jing Zhou, concluded.”

    https://www.livemint.com/news/world/the-debt-question-facing-janet-yellen-how-much-is-too-much-11611052451997.html

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Print or collapse – The only trick left in the bag for the Government to keep the economic and financial system from complete collapse will be the implementation of massive “stimulus” programs… The dollar has lost 98% of its value vs gold since 1971.”

      https://seekingalpha.com/article/4399584-money-printing-money-printing-and-money-printing

      • Harry McGibbs says:

        “The money created by the Fed is [now] not going only into excess reserves of the banking system. It is going directly into the bank accounts of individuals and firms through the US Paycheck Protection Program, stimulus cheques, and grants to state and local governments, [which is inflationary]…

        “…there is no such thing as a free lunch. It will be the Treasury bondholder, through rising inflation, who will be paying for the unprecedented fiscal and monetary stimulus over the past year.”

        https://www.ft.com/content/6536113f-f509-41e2-bee0-597ed90843b6

    • We know that anything that cannot go on indefinitely will stop. This debt bubble will collapse, just as many debt bubbles before have collapsed. The big issue is, “When?” Also, “How much of the world’s financial system does the collapse take with it?”

  31. Harry McGibbs says:

    “New car sales in Europe dropped by nearly a quarter in 2020 as the Covid-19 pandemic provoked the worst crisis ever to hit the European car industry.

    “Registrations plunged by 23.7 per cent, or three million vehicles, to 9.9m units.”

    https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/new-car-sales-plunged-by-nearly-24-per-cent-in-europe-in-2020/214313

  32. Harry McGibbs says:

    “A refusal to accept cash is “creeping into the wider UK economy”, an expert has said, after a survey suggested coronavirus had hastened a shift towards a cashless society.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55717933

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Warning signs are flashing red for the UK’s property market, as key indicators suggest house prices could plunge by more than 6pc.

      “Property values could even start to fall before the stamp duty holiday comes to an end on March 31, experts have warned. The return of the tax is expected to accelerate the slump and cause tens of thousands of sales to collapse, as buyers pull out of purchases that suddenly become unaffordable.

      “This will come as Britain’s economy enters its most fragile phase.”

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/buy/falling-house-prices-forced-sales-fears-five-reasons-property/

    • One excuse for not wanting cash in the US is, “Coins are in short supply.”

      • Robert Firth says:

        Coins are in short supply because That Thug Roosevelt stole them, and squirrelled them away in Fort Knox. Before then, coins of objective value, that is gold and silver, were enough to sustain the economy. As they would be today, for the real, productive economy, rather than the fake economy of fiat currency.

  33. Harry McGibbs says:

    “The head of the International Monetary Fund on Monday said the global lender needed more resources to help heavily indebted countries, citing a highly uncertain global economic outlook and a growing divergence between rich and poor countries.”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-imf-outlook/imf-chief-sees-high-degree-of-uncertainty-in-global-outlook-idUSKBN29N1M8

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “The economic and digital disparities of the ‘haves’ and the ‘have nots’ risks widening social cohesion, and could lead to geopolitical instability, the World Economic Forum (WEF) has warned.”

      https://www.cityam.com/haves-and-have-nots-disparity-risks-geopolitical-instability-warns-wef/

      • Harry McGibbs says:

        “Sorry, but debt forgiveness is not going to happen: There are plenty of reasons why we need to rid ourselves of the low-rate, high-debt world we’ve ended up in. From income inequality to low productivity growth, the economic problems befalling the world’s largest economies should be at the top of the political agenda.

        “But solving them will require tools other than debt cancellation.”

        https://www.ft.com/content/1612b7e1-0611-4f70-9589-74dc931bcd9b

        • When assets aren’t worth what people claim, at some point the debt supporting these assets pretty much has to default.

          I suppose this is why central banks are working frantically on trying to come up with a new financial system of some sort.

    • Robert Firth says:

      I think they mean, more resources to be stolen by the leaders of those heavily indebted countries, or squandered on pointless vanity projects, like Brasilia and Abuja. My mother was right: if you want to be charitable, give the money to a beggar.

      • JoJo says:

        How true! I am not big on giving money to panhandler. I have been caving because of the cold weather. The desperation in their voice when they say thank you is unbeliavable. They are really scared. But for the grace of god..

        • Robert Firth says:

          Thank you, JoJo. Before the virus crisis, there was a poor old man who loitered near the local food store, and begged for cigarettes, or, from non smokers, for money. I always gave him some, and he always responded with a blessing. He sometimes sat on the steps of the nearby Chapel of the Eucharist, but I found his blessing the more moving.

          And no, that is not at present my religion, But my religion requires that I respect the gods of whatever land I visit: “I have not denied God in any of his manifestations”. A line item in the Negative Confession, and therefore binding in conscience.

      • D3G says:

        I also think your mother was right, Robert. I don’t see street people here in Wisconsin like I did in California, cold weather here possibly being a reason for it.

        One California morning I noticed a man, down on his luck, seated outside near a favorite coffee shop. You would see him around from time to time and he was know in the neighborhood to be safe enough. This morning I decided to buy a second coffee, one to offer to him. I approach the fellow with a “Good Morning” and reach the cup towards him. He hesitates a moment before accepting it, wanted to know if it was French roast. He doesn’t like French roast. That made me smile. Cheers

  34. Mirror on the wall says:

    UK may be about to cut itself off from trade with the world’s second largest economy. Boris wants new trade deals to make up for Brexit and he wants a deal with China. The upping of Western rhetoric about China has put him in a difficult position. UK and China currently trade around £80 billion a year. Obviously UK trades with many countries with illiberal policies. LP will vote to ban any new trade deal with China and to cancel the current one and TP dissidents may swing it. This is a massive egg on Boris’ face. TP will look well bad if it votes to trade with China after everything that it has said about it.

    EU recently agreed an investment deal with China worth $650 billion a year. USA wants China isolated for its own economic and geopolitical interests as it is unable to create enough well paying jobs in USA or to project and to secure its global hegemony but EU told them ‘too bad’. Voices in UK that are aligned to USA rhetoric, including inside TP, may have made a UK deal impossible and lose the UK a trillion over a decade. Words sometimes have consequences. The UK’s subjection to USA is showing.

    So which will it be, look bad or lose trillions?

    > Boris Johnson faces huge Tory revolt with up to 50 MPs threatening to rebel in crunch vote TODAY calling for legal ban on trade deals with China over human rights abuses

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9163069/Boris-Johnson-huge-Tory-revolt-China-human-rights-row.html

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      This looks more opportunistic than concerted. USA has trade with China worth $550 billion a year but it does not want other countries/ blocks to trade with it, so that it does not overtake USA so quickly. This makes it even more awkward for Boris. Boris has distanced himself and mouthed off about Trump since Biden was ‘elected’, so this may be some payback. This could cost UK £2 trillion in trade over a decade.

      > US declares Xinjiang ‘genocide’ ahead of key UK vote

      Outgoing U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo today officially determined that Beijing committed genocide against the Muslim population in the province of Xinjiang, right before what could be a major parliamentary rebellion against the U.K. government’s China policy.

      “I have determined that the People’s Republic of China is committing genocide and crimes against humanity in Xinjiang, China, targeting Uyghur Muslims and members of other ethnic and religious minority groups,” Pompeo wrote on Twitter.

      “These acts are an affront to the Chinese people and to civilized nations everywhere. The People’s Republic of China and the [Chinese Communist Party] must be held to account,” he continued.

      The unexpected step comes just a day before the inauguration of Joe Biden as U.S. president, and piles pressure on U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson, whose government is today fighting off an attempt to restrict the government’s ability to secure trade deals with countries deemed to have committed genocide.

      https://www.politico.eu/article/us-declares-xinjiang-genocide-ahead-of-key-uk-vote/

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Nope, TP will still do trade deals with China. HOL is using it as a pretext to reassert its own place in the system after the bad press of recent years with its opposition to Brexit.

      “Genocide? Pfff. Just give us the money.”

      UK sees off rebel MPs over ‘genocide’ amendment targeting China

      Beijing has been accused of human-rights abuses in Xinjiang.

      LONDON — The U.K. government saw off an attempt from rebel MPs to hold Beijing to account for its treatment of Uighur Muslims through trade legislation.

      The amendment to the Trade Bill, pushed by senior Tory MPs and campaigners, would have pressed the U.K. to terminate any trade deal if the other side was found by the British High Court to have committed genocide. It was narrowly defeated 319 votes to 308 Tuesday night, although backers are now looking to the House of Lords in a fresh attempt to change the law.

      The narrow victory for the government came after intense lobbying from U.K. ministers, who argued trade policy should not be set by the courts.

      Ahead of the vote, Conservative rebels leading the charge sought to highlight the U.S. State Department’s own declaration that the country’s treatment of its Uighur Muslim population in Xinjiang amounted to “genocide” and “crimes against humanity.”

      China has been accused of forced labor abuses in Xinjiang, a major hub for global supply chains and source of much of the world’s cotton. Uighur campaigners and international experts say China is seeking to control the Muslim population there through forced sterilizations, brain-washing in camps, and the destruction of mosques.

      “Our closest allies have declared a genocide as our government is shirking a legal mechanism to hold China to account,” said Luke De Pulford, co-ordinator of the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China, which helped spearhead the amendment. He said a revised amendment will now be put to the House or Lords, Britain’s upper legislative chamber, as the bill goes through the parliamentary process known as “ping pong.”

      https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-sees-off-rebel-mps-over-genocide-amendment-targeting-china/

    • For what it is worth, the Express (UK) says:
      https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1385903/joe-biden-news-us-trade-deal-uk-brexit-update-boris-johnson-president-inauguration-spt

      Professor Charles A. Kupchan tells Express.co.uk that international trade will not be a priority for the incoming US President, but he will hope to “stand shoulder to shoulder with the UK” in a bid to derail China’s growing influence. This will no doubt anger politicians inside the EU, who recently agreed a new pact with China over trade, showing Mr Biden had “fallen out of love” with the bloc.

  35. Mirror on the wall says:

    The latest poll in the south of Ireland also supports Gail’s point that the UK is likely to break up as energy consumption per capita continues to decline in UK.

    SF came first in the 2020 GE with 24.5%. FG and FF went into coalition with the Green Party, and SF thus became the established ‘opposition’ and the party that is most likely to soak up opposition to FFG. The B&A poll in late December showed SF up two points to 32% and that seems set only to rise.

    SF needs to gain just two seats at the NI Stormont elections that are to be held in or before May 2022 in order to gain the post of the First Minister, which DUP insisted must go to the biggest single party. They may also become the government of the south at the next general election there in or before February 2025.

    Thus the scene is being set for a border poll and the exit of NI from UK. Scotland too is likely to have gone independent by then, which would likely boost the vote for Irish unity.

    Support for independence in Wales has risen to a third, the highest ever. A federal UK is being mooted by the LP and the media – we could be headed for an independent, devolved and federated England.

    > Support for Sinn Fein climbs as Fine Gael and Fianna Fail plummet and Government confidence drops in new opinion poll

    SUPPORT for Sinn Fein has climbed ahead of Fine Gael and Fianna Fail in the latest opinion poll.

    Support for Fianna Fail and Fine Gael has plummeted further according to the poll published by the Irish Mail on Sunday and Ireland Thinks.

    Opposition party, Sinn Fein, is now at 29 per cent, a single percentage point higher than Fine Gael, on 28 per cent.

    While Fianna Fail, under leadership of Taoiseach Micheal Martin, is on 15 percent, and the Green Party is on three per cent.

    In comparison with recent Irish Mail on Sunday poll’s the newest figures show a drop in public confidence in the current coalition as the pandemic has progressed.

    In September, Fine Gael were on 32 per cent, Fianna Fail on 14 per cent and Sinn Fein on 28 per cent.

    And only a few months in to the Covid-19 pandemic in July, Fine Gael were on 38 per cent, Fianna Fail on 12 per cent and Sinn Fein on 26 per cent.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/6426017/sinn-fein-fianna-fail-fine-gael-opinion-poll/

    • neil says:

      Sinn Fein have peaked. Scare off the multinationals and the place is goosed.

      Oh, and Scottish independence is not going to happen. Take it from someone from Northern Ireland, if you create a new state with 50% + 1 in a referendum, you’re heading for mayhem. When Norway declared independence from Sweden, the vote was an irrefutable 97%. This Scottish talk is nonsense – hooray, we’ve a majority. Come back when you can make 90%.

  36. adonis says:

    according to this you tube video the elites are pulling the plug on the financial system between the 1st quarter and the 2nd quarter of this year in order to bring in universal basic income , the end of private property and mandatory vaccinations https://youtu.be/lKCTkLJbtT4

    • Xabier says:

      They will do it, certainly: although my bet is on the last quarter of 2022,maybe even 2023.

      The will need to hammer us down a bit more this year: more lock-downs, a little false hope when they are eased for a short time in the summer, and then more lock-downs in the autumn and winter to finish off the bulk of non-internet friendly SME’s.

      They also need to spend more time demonising ‘anti-vaxxers’, ‘anti-maskers’, etc, to get us even more divided and distracted.

      And to put in the surveillance and tracking system for social credit.

      By spring 2022 the situation will be very desperate for many, paving the way for their ‘miracle solution’ in late 2022.

    • avocado says:

      I don’t get very much the “end of private property” stuff. Do you mean ALL property? Kinda a sovietic society, but with lots of ubi instead of public employees? The main problem is that, as in all comunist regimes, farming does badly if run by the state (whilst other things, as oil extraction, can go fine). Do you mean Bill Gates is buying land with no purpose? The Rotschilds would be on ubi and Kim Jong Il would be the model for every leader?

      Or is it only some kind of property that goes to the state?

      Also, there is no need to terminate private property in order to enact ubi, we had some kind of ubi here for the last two decades (i.e. money transferred to the poor without any condition, except that only people with kids get it)

      Another point is that I see no relation between property and vaccinations, it would be very hard to justify a link between them. I suppose both things should be done separately, if anything

      • avocado says:

        Farming was the first thing to be privatized in Cuba and China. Late USSR had so bad results with its farming practises that it had to import wheat (but now Russia is the biggest wheat exporter). I don’t know how this works in NK. You can monopolize many things and they will work if people are responsible, but it seems it doesn’t work with faming

    • This is supposedly what the Liberal Party in Canada wants. I suppose it would be the kind of thing liberals elsewhere might also want.

      • c’monnnnnn

        ”I have no way of verifying this”—quote (alarm bells going off)

        if a country is totally shut down and ubi money is just issued to citizens, the country itself simply stops dead.

        the only people not aware of that are economists

        I scrolled along a bit—and sure enough bill gate’s face started to appear—(alarm bells deafening now)

        here we go again, poor old Bill I thought. Bet he wishes he hadn’t skipped uni, and stayed poor.

        • Tim Groves says:

          How’s the latest injectable Windows update to your obedience chip working out for you so far, Norman?

    • Minority Of One says:

      I wondered what the ‘leaked letter from Canada’ was that Fast keeps referring to. This video explains. I think I prefer collapse, but the sheeple, not so.

      It also explains why our great leaders are not too worried about the huge amounts of non-repayable debt they are creating. Keeps the system going for now, until they are ready for the next step. We will see that how that works out soon enough.

  37. Kirk says:

    What kind of economic impact would ending fossil fuel subsidies have?

    • Basically. there would be zero impact of ending fossil fuel subsidies.

      Fossil fuels, at least in the past, have been able to be extracted very cheaply. Fossil fuel have been extraordinarily beneficial to economies. Because of this, the market prices if these fossil fuels has tended to be far above their extraction cost. These fossil fuel companies historically have paid extraordinarily high tax rates to their governments. This has been a way to transfer some of the benefit of the fossil fuels to the people of the land.

      This high tax approach works much less well, when the sales price of oil is low, as it has been since 2014. Rising extraction costs also tend to hurt this approach. The amount available for taxation varies depending upon the extraction cost in different parts of the world, but basically, there is very little or nothing left over anymore to transfer as tax dollars to the governments of the companies doing the extraction, because of the low price of oil.

      Back when oil and other fossil fuels prices were higher, it was the practice in different parts of the world to try to “help out” some consumers, who could not afford the high fossil fuel prices. For example, in the US, there were some programs to subsidize the cost of buying oil for home heating, in places in the US Northeast, for low income people. These subsidies were for a relatively small number of low income people. They make up the vast majority of past US “oil industry subsidies.”

      Another example of oil industry subsides, which have pretty much gone away because of low oil prices, is the practice of many oil exporting countries of having a two price system. Oil is sold on the world economy at the market price. If the oil exporting country would normally be able to collect high taxes on this oil, it often makes the decision to sell the oil at a lower price (closer to the price of extraction) to its own people. These people are generally very poor. In effect, the government chooses not to charge the high taxes with respect to oil sold internally. Now that prices are low, this practice is greatly reduced, or perhaps eliminated completely. This practice is what constituted the vast majority of the supposed subsides provided by oil exporting countries.

      People are basically unaware that the subsidy situation with Wind and Solar is pretty much the reverse of that for fossil fuels. Intermittent wind and solar require endless subsidies, especially the subsidy of “going first,” when their intermittent power is available. This measurably hurts generation provided by nuclear and fossil fuel providers. Wind and solar also enjoy financial subsidies. Instead of these subsidies going to poor people (as with fossil fuels), the financial subsidies go to the already rich, such as the land owners getting fees for siting wind turbines on their land, and the large companies being able to get the benefit of the many tax credits being handed out.

      If the Wind and Solar subsidies stop, these types of electricity generation will pretty much be out of business. The bizarre pricing scheme used for Wind and Solar tends to push out Nuclear Power out of business. Nuclear electricity is also a clean energy, but a much more stable, easier to use, type of electricity. I think adding wind and solar to the grid makes it last a shorter length of time, rather than a longer length of time.

    • Jarle says:

      Meanwhile in Norway:

      What kind of economic impact would ending fossil fuel production have?

  38. Mirror on the wall says:

    Welcome to hell! Unbelievably the arrogant sanctimonious b/s of the RCC in Ireland still have not even apologised.

    > Ireland publishes report on ‘appalling’ abuse at mother and baby homes

    ‘We embraced judgmental, moral certainty and perverse religious morality,’ says taoiseach

    Ireland has ripped back the veil on a dark historical chapter that condemned tens of thousands of unmarried mothers and their babies to callousness and cruelty in institutions run by both the state and the Catholic church.

    A judicial commission of investigation published a long-awaited 2,865-page report into a network of “mother and baby homes” that inflicted abuse and shame – with the complicity of wider society – for much of the 20th century.

    The five-year investigation into the homes – religious institutions for unmarried mothers and their children that doubled as orphanages and adoption agencies – chronicles deprivation, misogyny, stigma and in some cases shocking levels of infant mortality, adding up to a blistering indictment not just of the institutions but the wider culture of oppression that sustained them. Most of the homes were Catholic run but a small number were Protestant. The commission also investigated four state-run county homes.

    “The regime described in the report wasn’t imposed on us by any foreign power,” the taoiseach, Micheál Martin, told a news conference. “We did this to ourselves as a society. We treated women exceptionally badly, we treated children exceptionally badly.”

    Ireland had a completely warped attitude to sexuality and intimacy, he said. “Young mothers and their sons and daughters were forced to pay a terrible price for that dysfunction. As a society we embraced judgmental, moral certainty, a perverse religious morality and control which was so damaging. What was so very striking was the absence of basic kindness.”

    About 56,000 women and 57,000 children were placed or born into the homes from 1922 until the last one shut in 1998. Other countries had similar institutions but the per capita numbers in Ireland were probably the highest in the world, the commission found.

    It estimated 9,000 children, 15% of the total, died – an “appalling” infant mortality rate about double the national average. Neglect, poor food and extreme austerity all played a part. Instead of saving the lives of children legally deemed illegitimate, the homes “significantly reduced their prospects of survival”.

    The investigation was prompted by the revelation in 2014 that there were no burial records for almost 800 children who died at the Bon Secours mother and baby home in Tuam, County Galway. Excavations subsequently found an underground structure divided into 20 chambers of a disused septic tank containing significant quantities of human remains.

    The commission uncovered other troubling cases such as the Bessborough home in County Cork where three-quarters of the babies who were born or admitted in 1943 died.

    The investigation found no evidence of sexual abuse and few cases of physical abuse but abundant examples of emotional abuse, which some survivors still carry.

    Catherine Corless, whose research helped uncover the Tuam mass grave, said a government webinar with survivors on Tuesday was a whitewash that left survivors deflated and confused. There was too much of a focus on society’s culpability and not enough on the institutions; survivors would not find peace without a formal apology from the religious orders, she said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/12/ireland-report-appalling-abuse-mother-baby-homes

    • neil says:

      The parents dumped their daughters at the gates of these places. They knew what was going on. The whole culture contributed to this.

      The relevance to this website?

      • thats what lack of cradle to grave proper supervision can bring

        babies get born, out of the care loop, then the religious zealots take over and the little ones get killed off through some imagined ‘sin’.

        sounds barbaric, and it was. And that wasn’t even in a fascist country–yet the effective control was there. You daren’t cross the priest. He was the local gaulieter. The priest/gaulieters condoned it.

        Ireland was a very primitive place until recently.

  39. Tim Groves says:

    Dr. Sam Bailey does a marvelous job of laying out the details of PCR testing.

    “The virus was never fully isolated and purified,” she reminds us..

    “Where has [PCR] been established as a suitable screening tool, when it wasn’t even established as a suitable diagnostic tool?”

    “It is unsound medical practice to claim that Covid-19 is diagnosed by a PCR test and that the definition of Covid-19 is a positive PCR test as a standalone. ”

    “There can be no estimate of the false positive rates as there is nothing to compare it to. There is no gold standard.”

    “There have been no blinded trials to establish the validity of the test for actual illness.”

    So there!

    • JoJo says:

    • Xabier says:

      Dr Sam is doing a wonderful job, and has already been pushed about by Youtube. She will be taken down soon.

      Meanwhile the propaganda machine rolls on, and politicians can rule by edicts which, de facto, are eliminating our basic human and civil rights, based on the meaningless tests and absurd notions of distancing and mask-wearing.

      All legislative and coercive power lies with them, and the police, security companies and eventually the army will act as their willing tools; and the intelligent and impartial critics like the doctor who are swept aside, powerless, in favour of frauds like Prof. Ferguson.

      What moral and social force (not violence) can we set against the state when it has become so tyrannical, dishonest and corrupt?

      They are acting according to a well-designed programme: their opponents do not have one and are, inevitably, disorganised and easily censored and repressed.

    • MM says:

      The concept of “asymptomatic infection” has been “introduced” with COVID-19 afaik.
      The german Dr. Drosten has “invented” the PCR Test AND his organisation RKI is invested in companies producing the PCR Test. They call this:
      “It is necessary that we have these close ties because with them we can get the new test out as fast as possible in the case of a pandemic” well.
      Oh, wait: What was / is a pandemic by the WHO?
      I really start to get the impression that we have a global swine flu reloaded here (and Drosten was the lead in the swine flu episode as well)

  40. Jarle says:

    I’ve read about Piers Morgan but seeing him in action … mamma mia!

  41. Fast Eddy says:

    Former Ontario chief medical officer challenges Lockdown policies

    A former provincial top doctor has sent a letter to Ontario Premier Doug Ford siding with Roman Baber, the MPP who broke rank with his own government to call for an end to lockdowns.

    “MPP Baber made five key points (in his open letter) and I believe he was correct on all five items,” writes Dr. Richard Schabas, who served as Ontario’s chief medical officer of health from 1987 to 1997. He notes that Baber “deserves great credit” for opening up the discussion on lockdowns.

    “Lockdown was never part of our planned pandemic response nor is it supported by strong science,” adds Schabas, who notes he helped train current top doc David Williams.

    “Two recent studies on the effectiveness of lockdown show that it has, at most, a small COVID mortality benefit compared to more moderate measures. Both studies warned about the excessive cost of lockdowns.”

    Schabas also served as chief of staff at York Central Hospital during the 2003 SARS crisis.

    https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/former-ontario-chief-medical-officer-sides-with-roman-baber-on-lockdowns

    Odd … well maybe not… if one subscribes to The Leak is Real Theory of Covid (aka this is all part of a master plan — the leak does not give up the end game — because that would be beyond the paygrade of those asked to administer the plan — but of course the end game is extermination of all humans — to prevent us from eating each other)

    There is loads of evidence that lockdowns don’t work — the best is here https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

    Sweden – no lockdown ever – is well down the list

    Many countries that have had multiple very strict lockdowns — near the top of the list.

    This has the makings of Idiocracy 2.0 – remember this?

    https://youtu.be/kAqIJZeeXEc

    So in 2.0 the Stupid Moron Humans are experiencing their annual flu — and they decide they are going to lockdown and use masks to fend off the sickness and death the flu causes. So they lockdown and that causes millions of businesses to go bankrupt… but the flu does not dissipate

    So they not only repeat the lockdowns – they make them more extreme — they impose CURFEWS! But the flu does not go away. They are beside themselves with despair.

    Then the hero (Fast Eddy IQ 700) shows up and says he guys, the flu dissipates because of herd immunity and lockdowns and masks interrupt the process. So your strategy will just ensure that this flu hangs on for years and that means it kills more people because the old/sick people are exposed to the virus for years instead of months.

    Oh so we should stop locking down and wearing masks?

    Yes but you should try to protect the old and dying people – they can isolate (well that is if you think old sick nearly dead people are worth keeping alive — before you answer that — do you really enjoy those weekend visits to the old age home that stinks of shit and piss… to visit your nasty old granny who can’t remember who you are? Think about that before you answer…..)

    Oh wow. Fast Eddy, will you be our King?

    https://www.cactushugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-06-at-9.14.29-AM.jpg

    • Dr. Schabas likely retired from top managerial positions in the health sector (based on your account) roughly two decades ago. So he is now retired and apart from feeding birds in the park seems to be deep into CT arena type of inquiries… Case closed.

      /gov-msm rhetoric off

    • Lidia17 says:

      The “real theory of Covid” is that certain mayors (eg., Lightfoot in Chicago, Cuomo in NY) are just now saying that maybe lockdowns are a bad thing (now that they think Joe Biden will be installed, in other words…).

      The Covid did its duty in instituting the mail-in ballot regime necessary to pull off the magnitude of election fraud that was required. If this sounds parochial, consider that control of the US is a global affair worth many many trillions to the right people and is valuable in its own right, with or without a de-pop agenda.

  42. Fred says:

    Good posts from Orlov & Jon Rappoport (nomorefakenews.com).

    Orlov: COVID i.e. the engineered overreaction to it, is just cover for the underlying oil shortage. They had to kill demand and COVID handily came along.

    As COVID doubts mount, cue “mutant strains”, casedemic etc. The abrupt end to flu cases worldwide in April last year according to WHO data helps too (all deaths now attributed to COVID).

    Rappoport: From the off-guardian, January 3, 2021, “What Vaccine Trials?” by Iain Davis:

    “…the WHO protocols Pfizer used to produce the mRNA [for the vaccine] do not appear to identify any nucleotide sequences that are unique to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. When investigator Fran Leader questioned Pfizer they confirmed: ‘The DNA template does not come directly from an isolated virus from an infected person’.”

    And there we are, right back where I started, some time ago. If you don’t have the isolated virus, how can you claim you’ve sequenced it?

    And if you’ve sequenced it by ASSUMPTION and GUESS, how can you claim the sequence—or the virus—is real?

    • Tim Groves says:

      I fond Rappoport’s lack of faith disturbing.

      Why can’t he just trust the authorities like Norman does?

      Norman’s arm hasn’t fallen off yet, has it?

      • JoJo says:

        Normans choice to change his DNA. Its a difficult topic for those that will not accept a MRNA vaccine under any circumstances. I was talking with a friend today. He will not accept the vaccine under any circumstances. He paused in the conversation then told me his daughter had accepted it. I didnt know what to say. He was also silent. He then compared it to her choosing a husband that he knew was no good… Sadness. Love is not a easy thing.

        WE are going to be facing this an dealing with this. People that we love and respect are going to accept the vaccine, It will feel sad. love is not a easy thing.

        • There are going to be different views on the mRNA vaccines. This is something we need to understand and accept.

          If we personally choose not to take the mRNA vaccines (or any vaccine, for that matter), it should be our personal choice. Life is about risks, however. If other people feel that the risk associated with the vaccine is less than the risk associated with illness itself, that should be their choice. It is not up to us to change other people’s behavior.

          We need to be sure to tell people about the likely benefit of getting their vitamin D level up to a high enough level (above 30 ng/ml; equivalent to 75 nmol/L). It often seems to take 2,000 IU (equivalent to 50 mg) of vitamin D3 per day to gradually get the level up high enough. There seems to be significant evidence that a higher vitamin D level will boost our immune systems and help protect against a range of diseases. We don’t hear about this, because there is virtually no money to be made stressing the need for this approach.

          • In France 73 experts talk about vitamin D and ask doctors to give it to prevent or cure Covid
            https://www.franceinter.fr/covid-19-73-experts-lancent-un-appel-pour-qu-on-donne-de-la-vitamine-d-a-la-population-francaise
            never too late,!

          • Lidia17 says:

            Gail, there is nothing “free choice” about the proposed regimes, which do not even involve “vaccines” as they have been historically understood and—while I would agree with your overall argument in theory—there are two significant problems with your attitude:

            1.) there is nowhere near enough evidence from trials to support an argument of informed consent regarding risks. The risks are largely unknown, because the regulators have allowed for an unprecedented flash world-wide human experiment in genetic modification.

            2.) People are NOT being allowed to freely choose vaccination. Instead, they are told they cannot go to school, travel, or maintain employment without submitting to the mRNA “vaccine”. That is coercion. The coercion is particularly evil given the fact that the “vaccine” has not even been tested regarding transmission rates or infection rates, which is what the above restrictions might address.

            The whole fiasco is based neither on medical science nor logic, but on one absurdity after another. The only way it can be interpreted is through the lens of social control, financial fraud, and geopolitical weaponization.

    • JoJo says:

      Exactly. Once the tenuousness of the genome=virus existence paradigm is understood it then adds exponentially to a even more puzzling questions.

      Since the genome is virtual and the genome is the only thing by which the “virus” exists then asserting it is a causal of any “disease” is speculation. Quite possibly informed speculation but speculation none the less. This is where trust comes in. To my mind trust might be appropriate if the “vaccine” was something that acted on the body in a specific well understood manner. Say prednisone or antibiotics. There are going to be relationships that a doctor understands that the patient doesnt. So doc says you got a couple jabberwockys and a heffalump take some prednisone. Im game. Doc says you might get a skeezix we need to change your DNA via a MRNA actor. NOT.

      Coupled with the rather tenuous speculation is advocating irrevocable changes to the bodies original structure and blueprint.

      If a mechanic told you he wanted to tear down your lexus motor when it was running fine bore it out put experimental pistons in it and change the fuel injector size and that it couldnt be reversed and a robot with unkown accuracy and precision was going to do it and he thought the data for the robot xyz axis was ok but it was unproven and the reason for the mods was a simulated problem that occured in the same model would you be ok with it?

      And thats a car, not your body, your life.

      • I think this reasoning is gong too far. As I understand the situation, one of the labs in Wuhan provided information on the “genetic code” within a week or so after we learned about the Wuhan version of the virus. The vaccines were based on the Wuhan pattern.

        We do have a reasonably good understanding of the code, at least with respect to the earliest Wuhan version. The virus first mutated when it went to Europe, apparently becoming easier to spread. There seem to be other variations that are even more even to spread. It does seem like researchers have somewhat of a handle on what is making these viruses different.

        • Lidia17 says:

          I disagree. If they are using computer models for what they *think* the virus is, we know that that can easily be garbage-in/garbage-out. Changing a single base pair or line of “code” can alter how a program works, but we’re supposed to assume an aggregation of hunches add up to precision? I am doubtful.

          Don’t forget that a couple of hundred years ago people still believed in phlogiston.

    • MM says:

      I must admit that I really believed in the virus story for all my life. I can still remember that evil day when I was a child screaming like crazy at the doc doing the vaccinatiuons.
      I have come to a much broader view of the Web of life (the Biome) and the Virome through the videos of Zach Bush. I am still not 100 % clear with it (Tetanus?) but I must say that DNA is everywhere and it is just the “Internet” of nature.
      Humans emit DNA/RNA (Exosomes) to transmitt a possible “update” to other humans. They undergo a sort of transformation of their body but we have come to the false idea that a little fever is an “illness” when in fact the body is reconfiguring itself.for his betterment
      Zach Bush claims that
      1. COVID-19 is a natural update that helps nature to cope wit human envirronmental degradation (PM2.5, cyanide and Glyphosate besides others)
      2. usually all pandemics go away after 18 months because the update is through.
      Unfortunately:
      1. some people die from the transformation stress for the body (god/bad? who knows…)
      2. Vaccination disturbs that upgrade process and makes it worse.

      I read that a US doc checked his 40.000 files to compare numbers of visits of children and found out that vaccinated children have many many more visits that unvaccinated (measles)
      You can understand this, when you take into consideration that measles is an adolescence transformation process that occurs naturally (in some children) and the “infection) is only that the bodies of the other children get the message and start their upgrade programm as well (get sick)

      I know that in germany 40.000 Euros were offered for an isolation of a Virus.
      Nobody grabbed it.
      Pfizer claims that the vaccine has nothing to do with an isolated virus (they are not lying to you! It only depends on what YOU believe!)
      The Mutations are a result of “in-silico” viruses.
      The vaccination is a cumputed medicine.

      I will never take that!
      Well, having said that I am still not very sure if the virus concept really is a false understanding or if some “bad” RNA might really exist and is flying around. Anyway: humans exist 120.000 years without vaccines but more in harmony with nature.

    • Peak Oil seemingly happened in november 2018. Then in 2019, Covid. It’s quite easy to see the correlation!

  43. @Tim

    Putting false princes to the throne is very ancient too.

    When Persia’s Shah Cambyses died in Egypt, a guy named Smerdis said he was Cambyses’ only remaining brother, Bardia. Smerdis became the Shah, until he was killed by Darius, a noble but not a royal.

    The series of False Dmitris during early 17th century Russia are also well known.

    They are only known because these imposters failed. Who knows whether there was an imposter who actually made it. Mark Twain hinted that Edward VI was imposted by a peasant named Tom Canty. IN the book the Prince and the Pauper, the real Edward shows up with a comrade at the coronation; in reality, King Tom would have immediately beheaded the real Edward and the comrade and would have remained the King since the alternative would have been Tom’s own death.

  44. avocado says:

    It took them a year to recognize they acted slowly, when we all knew it at that time…

    https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3118255/coronavirus-pandemic-review-panel-critical-delays-china-and-who

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      yes, of course China is very much responsible for this virus.

      but after it got into the population of Wuhan, it could not be stopped.

      it’s a highly contagious virus.

      and it still can not be stopped.

      it’s a virus.

  45. Ed says:

    Latest rumor. Military tribunals in DC. Troops to defend against antifa. We will now soon enough. Oh and marines being added to DC troop mix.

  46. Yoshua says:

    The Corona virus will never go away. There’s no herd immunity against Corona viruses.

    We will be forced to shoot strange vaccines annually and the virus will still be spreading.

    I give up.

    • Jarle says:

      Never give up, onwards and upwards!

    • VFatalis says:

      No ! It is not the virus that is killing, it is the political decisions ! You must resist ! Don’t give your consent to the vaccine. Better die in the streets than accept this !
      (Re)watch V for Vendetta, get some amps or eat dark chocolate, find something useful to do like a sabotage plan, or put posters ! Resistance is fertile !

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      “We will be forced to shoot strange vaccines annually and the virus will still be spreading.”

      Just like flu.

      Arguably c 19 vaccines also need to be *targeted* like flu vaccines to the elderly and vulnerable – namely those who have a genetic disposition to severe outcomes.

  47. Xabier says:

    You will own nothing, see no one, meet no one, touch nothing, be monitored 24/7, implanted/injected and ….go stark mad!

    • Ed says:

      Clandestine tea party, invite three neighbors over for tea and maybe a game of cards. The revolution start with you.

    • Tim Groves says:

      And you’ll be happy too! Don’t forget.

      The implant will be programmed to keep you entertained with a succession of randomly generated “knock knock” jokes.

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        Jill: knock knock!

        Joe Biden: who’s there?

        Jill: Joe Biden!

        Joe Biden: who is Joe Biden?

  48. Herbie Ficklestein says:

    Good Monday morning to everyone! Special call out to Harry McGibbs for his update roundup posts that I find especially useful in keeping up with this Fast Eddie paced transformation of our
    economic “system”
    In that regard, here is Miles Harris (an Aussie I believe) and an update on the centralization of the monetary system in the digital cloud of CB.

    Central Bank Digital Currencies: What Everyone’s Missing

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gcmhR2TjJKo

    Just a personal experience. Mailed a snail mail paper cheque via certified mail on December 30th.
    Still in transit and called the vendor and processed my order via echeque instead and stopped payment on paper cheque. Opened case with Post Office and they are still investigating.
    Also, did not receive statement from Credit Card Company via the mail and called them because late. Same thing….sorry for that inconvenience, please pay via electronic digital method.
    The handwriting is in our face…going to a cashless society and ALL transactions will be recorded by Big Brother.
    If that’s the case, precious metals will only work with one on one personal transactions because the Central Authorities will control everything…the end game

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      You are welcome, Herbie.

    • Xabier says:

      Very true: bank branches are closing at a steady rate here in the UK.

      I have always avoided internet/mobile banking for security reasons, and use cash daily, but the only branch of my bank in this city closed in November.

      The manager told me that footfall hadn’t gone down at all, and I – and I’m sure many other regulars – made sure to answer the questionnaires on service quality at that branch with ‘Excellent’ in order to help with keeping it open, but no avail. Such nice people, too.

      This bank now has almost no branches left, not one within 45 miles of me which in the UK is a huge distance.

      All the amenities of life will go that way. Soulless and, perhaps more to the point, no bank branches to protest outside when they rob us…..

      • Robert Firth says:

        Happily, I still have banks close by (10 min by taxi) with ATMs, so I take out money once a month and that’s my allowance. But I also keep 6 months’ reserve of cash in an envelope in my study, in case service gets interrupted.

        I know banks in the UK are pruning branches, but that is due to (a) greed, and (b) excess debt, sacrificing the periphery as usual. Local bus service went the same way almost 50 years ago, because the government subsidised motorways and main line trains, but not transport to small communities.

    • This is an interesting video. Miles Harris talks about the fact that a lot of central banks are talking about creating “Central Bank Digital Currencies” in which people would have their bank accounts directly with the central banks of their counties. He talks about a number of problems with the system, including a major concern that the current banking system would atrophy away and disappear. Of course, central governments could see every transaction. It would be difficult to get loans.

      The Chinese Central Bank has come up with a different ‘hybrid” model, which he considers better. It continues to use other banks, in some ways. Harris refers to this 92 page PDF, describing the Chinese system.

      https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1433870/FULLTEXT01.pdf

      —-

      I expect that countries everywhere will soon have problems with bankrupt banks, if they are valued at all reasonably. I suppose that they will want an alternative to put forth. I agree that the simple, “Central Banks for Payment Transactions” only would likely not work well. I don’t know about the Chinese approach.

      Doing everything electronically works until the electric power goes off. It makes the system very attractive to hackers. I would imagine that calamities of all sorts could create a problem, (fire, earthquake, tsunami, military attack). Centralization likely doesn’t work, when the central government of a country is overthrown, either.

      • Kowalainen says:

        It would be hacked to smithereens. The same way the EU covid vaccine data was stolen and then claimed to be “doctored”. Mm, yeah, right.

        No way a guvmint org could ever succeed in keeping off hackers. The SolarWinds breach makes that a certainty. There is no way of knowing the full scope of the breach and what latent compromises and back doors is in place.

        They’d have to start from scratch, rewriting all software from the compilers and on up through the hierarchy. Now imagine if the tool chains for manufacturing semiconductors such as processors also was compromised.

        Yup, it is a goner. Cybersecurity is dead.

        • MM says:

          How many Billions of BTC stolen this year alone ?

        • Robert Firth says:

          I once hacked a computer. Students would be given an account on the mainframe, create lots of files, and then leave without cleaning up. The “security” meant that nobody except the student could log in to his account. The IT manager asked me to help.

          Solution? Write a program called “Password”, that takes a student’s name and returns his password. Took me two hours. Now take a deep breath: the establishment was run by the Uk Ministry of Defence.

    • houtskool says:

      Indeed Herbie. I got a constant push in my banking app (ING bank the Netherlands) to start using Apple pay. About a year ago. Recently the terms for using the app changed. They cannot overview hundreds of different banks with different apps. Imho they will push harder, next time my banking app will be available for 2 more months and automatically converts to Googpay or something like it.

      Watch what they do, not what they say.

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