Spike in energy prices suggests that sharp changes are ahead

An analysis of what is going terribly wrong in the world economy

The world economy requires stability. People living in the world economy need stability, as well. They need food every day and a place to live. Children need a home situation that they can count on.

Back in the 1950 to 1979 era, when energy supplies of many kinds were growing rapidly, it was possible to build stability into the economic system: Jobs with a company were often long-time careers; pensions after retirement were offered; electricity was sold through regulated “utilities” that charged prices that wrapped in long-term maintenance of the electric grid and the cost of fuel, among other things.

But as high energy prices hit in the 1970s, the system became more and more strained. The mood changed. Margaret Thatcher became the Prime Minister of the UK in 1979, and Ronald Reagan became President of the United States in 1981. Under their leadership, debt was increasingly used to cover longer-term costs, and competition was encouraged. A person might say that a move toward greater complexity, but less stability, of the economic system had begun.

Now, through several iterations, the economy has become increasingly complex, with less and less redundancy to provide stability. The energy price spike that is being experienced today is a warning that something is very, very wrong. As I see the situation, the trend toward complexity has gone too far; the economic system is starting to break down. Sharp changes appear to be ahead. The world economy is shifting into contraction mode, with more and more parts of the system failing.

In this post, I will discuss some of the issues involved. It turns out that energy modelers haven’t understood how detrimental intermittency really is. They modeled intermittent electricity from renewables (wind, water and solar) as far more helpful than it really is. This has been confusing to everyone. The sharp changes that the title of this post refers to represent an early stage of economic collapse.

[1] If energy supplies are inexpensive and widely available, it is easy to build an economy.

I have written in the past about the need for energy supplies to keep the economy functioning properly being analogous to the need for food, to keep humans functioning properly.

The economy doesn’t operate on a single type of energy, any more than a human lives on a single type of food. The economy uses a portfolio of energy types. These include human labor, energy directly from sunlight, and energy from burning various types of fuels, including biomass and fossil fuels.

As long as energy sources are inexpensive and readily available, an economy can grow and provide goods and services for an increasing number of citizens. We can think of this as being analogous to, “As long as buying and preparing food takes little of our wages (or time, if we are growing it ourselves), then there are plenty of wages (or time) left over for other activities.”

But once energy prices start spiking, it looks like there is not enough to go around. In the absence of ways to hide the problem, citizens need to cut back on non-essentials, pushing the economy into recession. Or businesses stop making essential products that require natural gas or coal, such as fertilizer or fuel additives to hold emissions down. The lack of such products can, by itself, be very disruptive to an economy.

[2] Once energy supplies become constrained, energy prices tend to spike. In the early stages of these price spikes, adding complexity allows the economy to better tolerate higher energy costs.

There are many ways to work around the problem of rising energy prices, at least temporarily. For example:

  • Build vehicles, such as cars, that are smaller and more fuel efficient.
  • Extend fossil fuel supplies by building nuclear power plants, hydroelectric generating plants, wind turbines, solar panels, and geothermal electricity generation.
  • Make factories more efficient.
  • Add insulation to buildings; eliminate any cracks that might allow outside air into buildings.
  • Instead of pre-funding capital costs, use debt to transfer these costs to later purchasers of energy products.
  • Encourage competition in providing different parts of electricity production and distribution.
  • Develop time-of-day pricing for electricity, so as to keep prices down to the marginal cost of production, even though this does not, in total, repay all costs of production and distribution.
  • Cut back on routine maintenance of electricity transmission systems.
  • Purchase coal and natural gas imports using spot pricing, rather than long term contracts, as long as these seem to be lower-priced than long-term commitments.
  • Throughout the economy, take advantage of economies of scale and mechanization. Build huge companies. Replace human labor wherever possible.
  • Stimulate the economy by increasing debt availability and lowering interest rates. This is helpful because a more rapidly growing economy can withstand higher energy prices.
  • Use global supply chains to source as large a share of manufacturing inputs as possible from countries with low wages and low energy costs.
  • Build very “lean” just-in-time supply chains.
  • Create complex financial systems, with debt resold and repackaged in different ways, futures contracts, and exchange traded funds.

Together, these approaches comprise “complexity.” They tend to make the economic system less resilient. At least temporarily, they pass fewer of the higher costs of energy products through to current citizens. As a result, the economy can temporarily withstand a higher price of energy. But the system tends to become brittle and prone to failure.

[3] There are limits to added complexity. In fact, complexity limits are what are likely to make the economic system fail.

Joseph Tainter, in The Collapse of Complex Societies, makes the point that there are diminishing returns to added complexity. For example, the changes that result in the biggest gains in fuel savings for vehicles are the ones added first.

Another drawback of added complexity is the extreme wage disparity that tends to result. Instead of everyone earning close to the same amount, those at the top of the hierarchy get a disproportionate share of the wages. This is what leads to many of the problems we are seeing today. Would-be workers don’t want to apply for jobs, even when they seem to be available. Citizens become unhappy and rebellious. Lower-paid workers may not eat well, so that pandemics spread more easily.

The underlying problem is that population tends to rise, but it becomes harder and harder to produce food and other necessities with the arable land and energy resources available. Ugo Bardi uses Figure 1 to show the shape of the expected decline in goods and services produced in such a situation:

Figure 1. Seneca Cliff by Ugo Bardi.

According to Bardi, Seneca in the title refers to a statement written by Lucius Annaeus Seneca in 91 CE, “It would be of some consolation for the feebleness of ourselves and our works if all things should perish as slowly as they come into being. As it is, increases are of sluggish growth, but the way to ruin is rapid.” In fact, this shape seems to approximate the type of cycle Turchin and Nefedov observed when analyzing several agricultural civilizations that collapsed in their book Secular Cycles.

[4] An increasing amount of complexity has been added since 1981 to help compensate for rising oil and other energy prices.

The prices of commodities, including oil, tend to be extremely variable because storage is very limited, relative to the large quantities used every day. There needs to be a very close match between supply and demand, or prices will rise very high or fall very low.

Oil is exceptionally important because it is the single largest source of energy for the world economy. It is heavily used in food production and in the extraction of minerals of all types. If the price of oil increases, the price of food tends to rise, as does the price of metals of many types. Oil is also important as a transportation fuel.

In the early days, before depletion led to higher extraction costs, oil prices remained stable and low (Figure 2), as a result of utility-type pricing by the Texas Railroad Commission. Oil prices started to spike, once depletion became more of a problem.

Figure 2. Brent-equivalent oil prices in 2020 US$. Based on data from BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy.

Economists tell us that oil and other commodity prices depend on “supply and demand.” When we look at turning points for oil prices, it becomes clear that financial manipulations play a significant role in determining oil demand. Such manipulations lead to prices that have practically nothing to do with the underlying cost of producing commodities. The huge changes in prices seem to reflect actions by central bankers to encourage or discourage lending (QE on Figure 3).

Figure 3. Monthly Brent oil prices with dates of US beginning and ending Quantitative Easing. Later Quantitative Easing did not bring oil prices back up to their prior level.

Quantitative easing (QE) makes it cheaper to borrow money. Adding QE tends to raise oil prices; deleting QE seems to reduce oil prices. These prices have little direct connection with the cost of extracting oil from the ground. Instead, prices are closely related to the amount of complexity being added to the system and whether it is having its intended impact on energy prices.

At the time of the 1973-1974 oil crisis, many people thought that the world was truly running out of oil. The petroleum industry did, indeed, succeed in extracting more. The 2005 to 2008 period was another period of concern that the world might be running out of oil. Then, in 2014, when oil prices suddenly fell, the dominant story suddenly became, “There is plenty of oil. The world’s biggest problem is climate change.”

In fact, there was no real reason to believe that the shortage situation had changed. US oil from shale had a brief run-up in production in the 2007 to 2019 period, but this production was unprofitable for producers, especially after oil prices dropped in 2014 (Figures 2 and 3). Producers of oil from shale are no longer investing very much in new production. With the sweet spots of fields depleted and this low level of investment, it will not be surprising if oil production from shale continues to fall.

Figure 4. US crude and condensate oil production for the 48 states, Alaska, and for shale basins, based on data of the US Energy Information Administration.

The real story is that the supply of oil, coal and natural gas is limited by the extent to which additional complexity can be added to the economy, to keep selling prices so that they are both:

  • High enough for producers of these products, so that they can both pay adequate taxes and make adequate reinvestment.
  • Low enough for consumers, especially for the many consumers around the world with very low wages.

Many people have missed the point that, at least since 2014, financial manipulations have not kept prices for fossil fuels high enough for producers. Low prices are driving them out of business. This is the case for oil, coal and natural gas. In fact, low prices caused by giving wind and solar priority on the electric grid are driving producers of nuclear electricity out of business, as well.

Oil producers require a price of $120 a barrel or more to cover all of their costs. Without a much higher price than available today (even with oil prices over $80 per barrel), shale oil production can be expected to fall. In fact, OPEC and its affiliates won’t ramp up production by very large amounts either because they, too, need much higher prices to cover all their costs.

[5] Economists and analysts of many types put together models that give misleading results because they missed several important points.

After oil prices fell in late 2014, it became fashionable to believe that vast amounts of fossil fuels are available for extraction, and that our biggest problem in the future would be climate change. Besides low prices, one reason for this concern was the high level of fossil fuel proven reserves reported by many countries around the world.

Figure 5. Ratio of reported proven reserves at December 31, 2020, to reported production in 2020 based on data from BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy.

Even fossil fuel companies started to invest in renewables because of the poor returns experienced from fossil fuel investments. It looked to them as if investment in renewables would be more profitable than continued investment in fossil fuel production. Of course, the profits of renewables were largely the result of government subsidies, particularly the subsidy of “going first.” Giving wind and solar first access when they happen to be available tends to lead to very low, and even negative, wholesale prices for other electricity producers. This drives these other producers of electricity out of business, even though they are really needed to correct for the intermittency of renewables.

There were many things that hardly anyone understood:

  • Energy prices in today’s financially manipulated economy bear little relationship to the true cost of production.
  • Fossil fuel producers need to be guaranteed long-term high prices, if there is to be any chance of ramping up production.
  • Intermittent renewables (including wind, solar, and hydroelectric) have little value in a modern economy unless they are backed up with a great deal of fossil fuels and nuclear electricity.
  • Our real problem with fossil fuels is a shortage problem. Price signals are very misleading.
  • The models of economists are mostly wrong. The use of carbon pricing and intermittent renewables will simply disadvantage the countries adopting them.

The reason why geologists and fossil fuel producers give misleading information about the amount of oil, coal and natural gas available to be extracted is because it is not something they can be expected to know. In a sense, the question is, “How much complexity can the economy withstand before it becomes too brittle to handle a temporary shock, such as a pandemic shutdown?” It isn’t the amount of fossil fuels in the ground that matters; it is the follow-on effects of the high level of complexity on the rest of the economy that matters.

[6] At this point, ramping up fossil fuel production would be very difficult because of the long-term low prices for fossil fuels. Unfortunately, the economy cannot get along with only today’s small quantity of renewables.

Figure 6. World energy supply by type, based on data from BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy.

Most people don’t realize just how slowly renewables have been ramping up as a share of world energy supplies. For 2020, wind and solar together amounted to only 5% of world energy supplies and hydroelectric amounted to 7% of world energy supplies. The world economy cannot function on 12% (or perhaps 20%, if more items are included) of its current energy supply any more than a person’s body can function on 12% or 20% of its current calorie intake.

Also, the world’s reaction to the pandemic acted, in many ways, like oil rationing. Figure 6 shows that consumption was reduced for oil, coal and natural gas. An even bigger impact was on the prices of these fuels. Prices fell, even though the cost of production was not falling. (See, for example, Figure 2 for the fall in oil prices.)

These lower prices left fossil fuel providers even worse off financially than they were previously. Some providers went out of business. They certainly do not have reserve funds set aside to develop the new fields that they would need to develop, if they were to ramp up production for oil, coal and natural gas now. Because of this, it is virtually impossible to ramp up fossil fuel production now. A lead time of at least several years is needed, besides a clear way of funding the higher production.

[7] Every plant and animal and, in fact, every growing thing, needs to win the battle against intermittency.

As mentioned in the introduction, humans need to eat on a regular basis. Hunter-gatherers solved the problem of intermittency of harvests by moving from area to area, so that their own location would match the location of food availability. Early agriculture and cities became possible when the growing of grain was perfected. Grain was both storable and portable, so it could be used year around. It could also be brought to cities, allowing people to live in a different location from where the crops were stored.

We can think of any number of adaptations in the plant and animal kingdom to intermittency. Some birds migrate. Bears hibernate. Deciduous trees lose their leaves each fall and grow them back again each spring.

Our supply of any of our energy products is in some sense intermittent. Oil wells deplete, so new ones need to be drilled. Biomass burned for fuel grows for a while, before it is cut down (or falls down) and is burned for fuel. Solar energy is available only until a cloud comes in front of the sun. In winter, solar energy is mostly absent.

[8] Any modeling of the cost of energy needs to take into account the full system needed to “bridge the intermittency gap.”

As far as I can see, the only pricing system that generates enough funds is one that takes into account the full system needs, including the need to overcome intermittency and the need for transportation of the energy to the user. In fact, I would argue that even more than this needs to be included. Good roads are generally required if the system is to be kept in good repair. Good schools are needed for would-be workers in the energy system. Any costs associated with pollution should be wrapped into the required price. Thus, the true cost of energy generation really should include a fairly substantial load for taxes for all of the governmental services that the system requires. And, of course, all parts of the system should pay their workers a living wage.

This high level of pricing can only be provided by utility type pricing of fossil fuels and electricity. The use of long-term contracts to purchase fossil fuels, uranium or electricity can also build in most of these costs. The alternative approach, buying fuels using spot contracts or pricing based on time of day electricity supply, looks appealing when costs are low. But such systems don’t build in sufficient funding for replacement of depleted fields or the full cost of a 24/7/365 electrical system.

Modelers didn’t understand that the “low prices now, higher prices later” approaches that were being advocated don’t really work for the long term. As limits are approached, prices tend to spike badly. Modelers had assumed that the economic system could handle such spikes in prices, and that the spikes in prices would quickly lead to new supply or adaptation. In fact, huge spikes in prices are very disruptive to the system. New supply is what is really needed, but providers tend to be too damaged by previous long periods of artificially low prices to provide this supply. The approach looks great in academic papers, but it leads to rolling blackouts and unfilled natural gas reservoirs for winter.

[9] Major changes for the worse seem to be ahead for the world economy.

At this point, it seems as if complexity has gone too far. The pandemic moved the world economy in the direction of contraction but prices of fossil fuels tend to spike as the economy opens up.

Figure 7. Chart by BBC/Bloomberg. Source: BBC

The recent spikes in prices are highly unlikely to produce the natural gas, coal and oil that is required. They are more likely to cause recession. Fossil fuel suppliers need high prices guaranteed for the long term. Even if such guarantees could be provided, it would still take several years to ramp up production to the level needed.

The general trend of the economy is likely to be in the direction of the Seneca Cliff (Figure 1). Everything won’t collapse all at once, but big “chunks” may start breaking away.

The debt system is a very vulnerable part. Debt is, in effect, a promise of goods or services made with energy in the future. If the energy isn’t there, the promised goods and services won’t be available. Governments may try to hide this problem with new debt, but governments can’t solve the underlying problem of missing goods and services.

Pension systems of all kinds are also vulnerable. If fewer goods and services are being made in total, they will need to be divided up differently. Pensioners are likely to get a reduced share, or nothing at all.

Importers of fossil fuels seem likely to be especially affected by price spikes because exporters have the ability to cut back in the quantity available for export, if total supply is inadequate. Europe is one part of the world that is especially dependent on oil, natural gas and coal imports.

Figure 8. Total energy production and consumption of Europe, based on data of BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy. The gap between consumption and production is filled by imports of oil, coal, natural gas and biofuels. Within Europe, countries also import electricity from each other.
Figure 9. Europe energy production by fuel based on data from BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy.

The combined production of hydroelectric, wind and solar and biofuels (in Figure 9) amounts to only 19% of Europe’s total energy consumption (shown in Figure 8). There is no possible way that Europe can get along only with renewable energy, at any foreseeable time in the future.

European economists should have told European citizens, “There is no way you can get along using renewables alone for many, many years. Treat the countries that are exporting fossil fuels to you very well. Sign long term contracts with them. If they want to use a new pipeline, raise no objection. Your bargaining power is very low.” Instead, European economists talked about saving the planet from carbon dioxide. It is an interesting idea, but the sad truth is that if Europe takes itself out of the contest for energy imports, it mostly leaves more fossil fuels for exporters to sell to others.

China stands out as well, as the world’s largest consumer of energy, and as the world’s largest importer of oil, coal and natural gas. It is already encountering electricity shortages that are leading to rolling blackouts. In fact, rolling blackouts in China started almost a year ago in late 2020. China is, of course, a major exporter of goods to the rest of the world. If China has major energy problems, the rest of the world will no longer be able to count on China’s exports. Lack of China’s exports, by itself, could be a huge problem for the rest of the world.

I could continue speculating on the changes ahead. The basic problem, as I see it, is that we have reached limits on oil, coal and natural gas extraction, pretty much simultaneously. The limits are really complexity limits. The renewables that we have today aren’t able to save us, regardless of what the models of Mark Jacobson and others might say.

In the next few years, I am afraid that we will find out how collapse actually proceeds in a very interconnected world economy.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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4,474 Responses to Spike in energy prices suggests that sharp changes are ahead

  1. Tim Groves says:

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  2. Fast Eddy says:

    wow… this MOREON COVIDIOT signed her children up for the Pfizer trial …. hahahahaha…. and now she’s complaining????

    Hahahhahahaha… F789 HER. She is a MONSTER. A Demon from Hell…

    What mother signs her children up for an experiment? I hope the guilt is so intense… that it pushes her over the edge… and she puts the barrel of a sawed off shotgun in her mouth… and pulls the trigger…

    Or she hangs herself from a tree….

    This is huge entertainment… too bad for the kid though… she should stab her mother in the heart with a big knife

    When Stephanie and Patrick de Garay enrolled their 12-year-old child Maddie and her two brothers in Pfizer’s Covid-19 clinical trial, they believed they were doing the right thing.

    That decision has turned into a nightmare. Maddie, a previously healthy, energetic, full of life child, was within 24 hours of her second dose reduced to crippling, scream-inducing pain that landed her in the emergency room where she described feeling like someone was “ripping [her] heart out though [her] neck.”


  3. Fast Eddy says:

    Negative Efficacy, or: Something Is Wrong With The Vaccines


    • This is another article from eugyppius. He is the author who wrote the earlier article about the vaccine seeming to have a negative impact on N-antibodies. It is called:

      Negative Efficacy, or: Something Is Wrong With The Vaccines

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    Whistleblower: FDA and CDC Ignore Damning Report that over 90% of a Hospital’s Admissions were Vaccinated for Covid-19


    FDA Buries Data on Seriously Injured Child in Pfizer’s Covid-19 Clinical Trial


  5. Fast Eddy says:

    Breaking News – Madame Fast just sent this to me:

    Workers at businesses where vaccine passports are required will have four weeks to get the jab – or risk losing their jobs.

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on Tuesday announced a sweeping vaccine mandate in businesses in the hospitality sector, and others including gyms, barbers, and hairdressers where customers are expected to have vaccine certificates.

    Ardern and Workplace Relations Minister Michael Wood set out more details on when vaccine mandates can apply, following the announcement of the Government’s new “traffic-light” system once the country has reached a double vaccination rate of 90 per cent.

    Ardern said the government has already mandated for workers in certain sectors, such as healthcare, to be vaccinated. She said that in other high-risk areas, such as hospitality, workers should also be vaccinated.

    “If customers should be vaccinated, so should staff”, Ardern said, adding the system “was designed to bring simplicity to employers”.



    • Tim Groves says:

      What a meanie. She’s going to end up paying for her sins, possibly by being put on trial for treason or possibly by being stabbed to death by a mob of deranged hairdressers and barbarous barbers, and if the internet stays up we may even get to watch!

      Mussolini, Ceaușescu, Ghadaffi, Saddam Hussein…. None of them ever mandated the barbers and hairdressers. The only other people who have come close to Jacinda’s level of tyranny are the Taliban, who have prohibited barbers in Helmand Province from shaving men’s beards and playing music in their shops, and Kim Jong-un, who has mandated a menu of 15 haircuts you can chose from in a North Korean hair salon.

  6. Fast Eddy says:

    CDC scientists find similar or higher viral load of Covid virus among the vaccinated as compared to the unvaccinated


    This is a great reason to inject 5 year olds… it stops them from infecting Grandpa norm … right?

  7. Fast Eddy says:

    Attention Du mb Oxen….

    Boris Admits the Vaccine “Doesn’t Protect You Against Catching the Disease, and It Doesn’t Protect You Against Passing it On”


  8. jj says:

    Four year study by University of Fairbanks department of structural engineering evaluates NISTs “theory” about building 7 collapse.


  9. Fast Eddy says:

    52,000 Breakthrough COVID Cases Recorded in Indiana; 531 Fully Vaccinated Residents Dead


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  10. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    Follow up on Big Pharma and the rip off of the people by Russell Brand on YouTube..


    The Government provides funds to develop the drug and Big Pharma charges 40x the cost…
    How low can they go..????

  11. CTG says:

    I see that some people are commenting on whether some group of the society should be left out. It was all along the survival of the most adapted, fittest, strongest or whatever words you want to use. It has been like that until the presence of CHEAP abundant external energy like fossil fuel.

    In the east, mothers were revered, I believe not because they gave birth to children or raise them but because there is a duty to the family that she has to select which child lives and dies. As the mortality of children is high and resource is very limited, the mother has to make sure that only the best children survive. It is a painful decision but it is in recorded history that this is happening. There is no doubt about this. This is happening in the animal world as well where you have the mother cat selecting which kittens of the litter of 4 survive. She may not have the milk to let 6 kittens survive. She has no external energy to rely on (i.e. supplemental milk) and thus if she allows all 6 kittens to live, then all including her will die. Predators will just finish all 7 cats/kittens rather than one mother cat and 4 strong kittens. That is extremely normal in the animal world and no one will bat an eye.

    However, we humans, who are no different from animals, got very arrogant due to cheap abundant FF and suggest that no one should be left behind and everyone has to live.

    Mother nature is very patient but she always win.

    • Student says:

      Actually it seems to me that humans have found a way, consciously on unconsciously, to select who need to survive.
      What is not clear is if humans are making the same kind of selection Nature would make.
      I think that this is just the point, this kind of artificial control (experimental vaccines) would have negative consequences, maybe not immediately, but surely in the medium and long time.

    • I know that in Madagascar, the custom 100+ years ago was that if a mother had twins (or more babies), she was instructed to take the strongest one, and nurse only that one.

      The missionaries thought that this was terrible and put a stop to this practice, to the extent that they could.

      • Fjölsviðr says:

        This reminds me of the tales of Christian missionaries in Iceland, a harsh climate with little surplus energy. The traditional practice was to expose children a bit so only the strongest lived, but the missionaries found this abhorrent and against Christian ideals and forbade the practice as satanic.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        And yet the world seems naturally to be that way.

        > The child mortality rate in the UK, for children under the age of five, was 329 deaths per thousand births in 1800. This means that approximately one in every three children born in 1800 did not make it to their fifth birthday.

        Only in recent centuries has the rate plummeted – to 1% of that.

        > The current infant mortality rate for UK in 2021 is 3.507 deaths per 1000 live births, a 2.39% decline from 2020. The infant mortality rate for U.K. in 2020 was 3.593 deaths per 1000 live births, a 2.31% decline from 2019.

        That likely has taken a toll on the fitness of the population, re: serious debilities and NHS waiting lists. Human infants, and adults, are normally subject to far stricter selective pressures than now.

        All medical care, hygiene and improved social conditions are likely dysgenic – it is a matter of pros and cons. The pros are readily enjoyed but the cons are likely accumulative over generations.

        Of course a collapse of industrial civilisation is liable to reverse patterns rather abruptly. It will likely amount to a ‘short, sharp, shock’ as the population collapses.

        It is what it is. Enjoy IC while you can. 🙂

  12. jj says:

    Both of the two that even slightly open the can of worms dance around the truth, Rand and Rogan.

    Who cares that Rogan is offended like a two year old because CNN called his ivermectin horse paste? If Rogan really wanted to get to the matter he would ask Gupta why you are 19x (current stats) more likely to die in the USA deploying the experimental gene therapy injection than in India deploying VIT d, zinc, Ivermectin, doxycycline. HEY SANJAY! IS A STANDARD OF CARE 19x WORSE THAN INDIAS CAUSING OVER A THOUSAND UNNECESSARY DEATHS A DAY IN THE USA OK?

    Its good Rand is bringing out the fact that gain of function research WAS funded by the NIH. Ahh now the NIH says the multiple increases in lethal capability were ACCIDENTAL. Yup we just through it all in the pot and thats what came out. How were we to know it would create a gain in (lethal) function? So it wasnt gain of function research.

    Regardless the main issue is the experimental gene therapy injections being forced on people via mandate when a totally safe (safer than tylenol) non experimental nobel winning drug is available that is 95% effective in preventing covid used prophylactic. THATS HAPPENING NOW. PEOPLE ARE DIEING NOW EVERY DAY BECAUSE IVERMECTIN IS NOT DEPLOYED IN THE USA. CHICAGO IS GETTING READY TO GET RID OF HALF ITS COPS NOW BECAUSE OF THE MANDATE. Then the south side gets real interesting. Say another two murders a day on top of the two or so that happen now? Not 1000.

    To be fair Indias lower life expectancy of about ten years is certainly a factor in the stats. Less old people. Not 19x a factor. The big question… Why not just make Ivermectin available educate people on its use and see. Whats the risk? NADA. Are not 1000 deaths A DAY worth it? If we found out tylenol was 95% effective in preventing covid would we ban it? I mean the point is to eradicate the pandemic right? Or is it?

    The “shocking” Rand and Rogan know where their fences are.

    Theres another reason that USA might have slightly less success than India. Anyone with half a brain is eating pony paste prophylatic now. Just like any doctor or member of congress with half a brain is only they get the tabs that are dosed correctly for humans not the unwashed masses pony paste. Already got the experimental gene therapy injection… their still eating Ivermectin Zinc and D.

  13. Fast Eddy says:

    Berlin: The Downfall 1945

    With horror on their faces, they told me what had happened on the first night of the Red Army’s arrival,” he writes.

    “‘They poked here,’ explained the beautiful German girl, lifting up her skirt, ‘all night. They were old, some were covered in pimples and they all climbed on me and poked – no less than 20 men,’ she burst into tears.

    “‘They raped my daughter in front of me,’ her poor mother added, ‘and they can still come back and rape her again.’ This thought horrified everyone.

    “‘Stay here,’ the girl suddenly threw herself at me, ‘sleep with me! You can do whatever you want with me, but only you!'”

    By this stage, German soldiers had been guilty of sexual violence and other horrors in the Soviet Union for almost four years, as Gelfand had become aware as he fought his way to Berlin.

    “He went through so many villages in which the Nazis had killed everyone, even small children. And he saw evidence of rape,” says his son, Vitaly.


    Doomie Preppers… trust me … you do not want to survive the CEP.

  14. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    The noose is getting tighter and tighter …

    Unvaccinated Americans to face tighter COVID testing requirements in new US travel system
    Eve Chen and Bailey Schulz, USA TODAY
    Mon, October 25, 2021, 3:05 PM
    The U.S. will roll out a new travel system in two weeks that will open borders up for millions of vaccinated international visitors.

    The system launching Nov. 8 will end the U.S. travel ban that has been in place for dozens of countries since the start of the pandemic.It will also make reentry more challenging for unvaccinated U.S. citizens and permanent residents and establish stringent testing requirements for the rare unvaccinated foreign nationals allowed entry.

    “For anyone traveling to the United States who cannot demonstrate proof of full vaccination, they will have to produce documentation of a negative test within one day of departure,” instead of the current three days, according to the White House.

    Fully vaccinated Americans will still have a three-day window for COVID-19 testing with negative results, but if they are not able to show proof of vaccination, they too will be subject to the one-day testing requirement.

    “These are strict safety protocols that follow the science of public health to enhance the safety of Americans here at home and the safety of international air travel,” senior administration officials said in a Monday briefing.

    With few exceptions, only foreign nationals with vaccinations approved for emergency use by the World Health Organization will be allowed to board planes to the U.S.

    Good luck in staying in being unvaccinated if you fly!
    At the Airport there is instant Covid testing for ticketed passengers.
    The Airlines were given BILLIONS of Dollars and must comply to the Federal Overseers

    • The airports have one-day testing now. If one-day testing is a requirement, I am sure same-day tests will have to be acceptable. I expect that these will be easy to get, if the necessary supplies are available.

    • Dana says:

      If you are an American who is out of country, and needs to re-enter, just do what everyone else is doing, cross the southern US border. Easy peasy!

  15. Mirror on the wall says:


    > Petrol price hits record high at UK pumps

    The price of petrol in Britain hit a record high of 149.94 pence ($2.05) per litre, the RAC motoring organisation said on Monday.

    The previous record at the pumps, set in April 2012, was broken on Sunday as global oil prices rise dramatically, doubling from around $40 a barrel a year ago to $85 now.

    The price of diesel fuel in Britain, at 146.5 pence a litre, is also nearing its 2012 record.

    “This is truly a dark day for drivers, and one which we hoped we wouldn’t see again after the high prices of April 2012,” said RAC fuel spokesman Simon Williams.

    “This will hurt many household budgets and no doubt have knock-on implications for the wider economy,” he added.

    “The big question now is: where will it stop and what price will petrol hit?”

    Factors beyond the oil price hike have fed into the price rise at the pumps.

    September’s switch to greener E10 petrol also played a part, as has the margin retailers are taking on every litre sold which is now greater than it was prior to the start of the pandemic.

    On September 1, the bio content of unleaded petrol increased from 5% ethanol to 10%, and as ethanol is more expensive than petrol, it added around a penny a litre to the cost to motorists.

    The biggest element of the price paid by British consumers is tax.

    Duty at 57.95 pence a litre exceeds the combined bio and petrol components which amount to around 50%, leading to calls from the RAC and others for the government to drop VAT on petrol to tame the price.

    According to RAC data, the price of unleaded petrol has “rocketed” over the past year, adding 15 pounds to the cost of filling up a family car.

    Oil prices pressed higher on world markets on Monday, with the mail international contract, Brent, at a three-year high above $86 per barrel. Meanwhile the main US oil contract, WTI, rose above $85 for the first time since October 2014….

    • Mirror on the wall says:


      > U.S. Residential Natural Gas Bills To Jump 30% This Winter

      U.S. households that primarily use natural gas for space heating will spend an average of $746 on heating between October and March

      A total of 48 percent of U.S. homes will pay 30 percent higher bills for heating this winter, as 48 percent is the share of U.S. households that use gas as the primary fuel for space heating, the Energy Information Administration (EIA) said on Monday.

      Higher retail natural gas prices will be the primary driver for the expected increase in natural gas heating expenditures this winter.

      Retail prices have jumped because of the steady rise in the spot natural gas prices since last year’s winter, the EIA said. The U.S. benchmark price Henry Hub has more than doubled since the beginning of 2021, due to relatively flat U.S. dry natural gas production and surging liquefied natural gas (LNG) exports amid high demand and record LNG prices in Asia….

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Petrol and gas:

        > less discretionary spending in other areas > constrained prices and sales in other areas > possible layoffs and constraints on pay > less wages to spend on areas > so on and so forth – not a healthy spiral

        > increased debt > defaults?

        > higher operating cost > narrower profits > less investment + &c.

        Pricey energy reduces systemic profitability.

      • According to the article:

        This winter, retail natural gas prices in the United States are expected to rise on average to $12.93 per thousand cubic feet (Mcf) from $10.17/Mcf last winter.

        On my bill, the price we are charged is per therm. A therm is 1/10 of an Mcf. (An Mcf is very close to 1 Million Btus.)

        When I look at my bills, the rate I was charged last year was $0.329 per therm, which was equivalent to $3.29/ Mcf. The new rate plan I just signed up for is at a rate of $0.5990 per therm, or $5.99/ Mcf. (These are very low rates, compared to Europe.)

        This looks like an 82% rate increase to me, but from an awfully low base.

        There also seem to be expense charges, which are separate, as well as State and Local Taxes. These presumably don’t rise nearly as much. My guess is that last year, expenses somewhat more than doubled the $3.29/Mcf rate. So maybe the 30% increase isn’t as ridiculously low as it sounds.

        This all gets confusing to the customer. We get solicitations each year to move our purchases to another natural gas seller. The companies compete on rates and have special discounts for various groups they are trying to target. I suppose that if the natural gas price rises substantially, the natural gas seller could get into trouble financially. The $5.99/Mcf is a three-year guarantee. If the price drops substantially, then some other seller will be around with a much lower rate offer. Thus, the rate is a cap more than a floor.

    • If you pay less on petrol taxes, the government will likely increase the amount of its tax collection to something else. The UK cannot afford to import much oil, so the UK government tends to tax automobile fuel highly.

  16. Ed says:

    Duncan, this is a reply to your a 9/11 every two days.

    If those dying are the weak and sick I say good I hope the dying continues and rises to 100x 9/11 per day until all the weak and sick and foolish (do not take vitamin D) are dead.

    • Other Stranger says:

      Do you ever wonder if someone thinks the same of you, that you’re the one they hope dies and will say to other strangers, “Good, I am glad Ed is dead?”

  17. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    Yo, so I was riding the bus at the Airport and the JAB topic came up….ok and behold a fellow passenger from an Airline said he was involved in giving employees a choice and a big rally in,Corporate Headquarters NYC tomorrow, close to 38% of pilots are against the jab!
    An American Airlines Pilot has started an protest organization to resist the force able jab


    Seems protest rallies are being organized and CEOs are drawing back on firing anyone!
    The person on the bus was very knowledgeable and gave valid reason why someone would not want the jab.

    • I think of the vaccination requirement as a way to reduce the size of the airline workforce. A similar situation is the case when the vaccination requirement is used in the healthcare industry.

      • Dennis L. says:


        Healthcare industry, perhaps discretionary? Medicare has a huge funding problem, SS is not far behind.

        Dennis L.

        • Healthcare industry is huge in size compared to other countries and the outcomes are worse. It is definitely discretionary. Poor eating habits and lack of exercise are factors as well in incredibly high health care spending.

      • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

        Don’t know about that… time will tell…CEO claims he needs all the “team” workers and will not issue any buyouts for non vaxx employees.
        AnitVaxx Pilots can weark havoc on the network system, never mind mechanics in a maintenance base such as Tulsa.
        I’m keeping a close eye on this…


  18. Ed says:

    Here businesses continue to back away from making the customer angry. The signs now say if you are vaxxed there is no need to wear a mask. That is it. All other cases they wisely have nothing to say.

    • Azure Kingfisher says:

      I wish more businesses had made a stand against the ridiculous mandates earlier on in the scamdemic. A common sense approach would’ve been to treat SARS-CoV-2 just as they would any other respiratory virus.
      For example, business owners could’ve asked themselves: “How did we deal with our customers during prior flu seasons?” “Did we ever get sued by anyone claiming they caught the flu in our store?” “Was it our responsibility to sanitize everything (and pay for this) in order to reduce our customers’ exposure to viruses?” “Did we need to verify whether our customers had received a flu vaccine before we allowed them into our store?” These questions could’ve grounded people in reality.

      Working against businesses wishing to apply common sense were:

      – A full-on propaganda blitz in the mainstream media indicating that everyone was going to die if they caught SARS-CoV-2.

      – Propagandized and terrified customers who were willing to rat out businesses to their local city and county officials for not being “COVID-19 safe.”

      – Local city and county officials willing to penalize businesses with fines for their not being “COVID-19 safe.”

      It would’ve been a difficult, uphill battle for businesses to challenge the COVID-19 hysteria, but I still maintain that had the local business community banded together they may have stood a chance against the imposition of the ridiculous mandates that threatened to cripple them.

    • You are in Upstate New York, for the benefit of comment readers who don’t keep track of that fact.

  19. Fast Eddy says:

    Today is a sad day… it’s the day that the Coal Burning Stops… I’ve kept burning even though the temperature in the house is above 26 degrees… but M Fast is complaining about the sauna-like conditions…

    All good things must end…

  20. Fjölsviðr says:

    “Thinking only begins at the point where we have come to know that Reason, glorified for centuries, is the most obstinate adversary of thinking.”
    ― Martin Heidegger

  21. Azure Kingfisher says:

    It turns out the COVID-19 vaccines are even better than the pro-vaxxers could’ve imagined!!!

    “People who got Covid-19 vaccines were not only less likely to die from the virus, but they were less likely to die from any cause over the following months, researchers have reported”


    • Quite a number of people who have avoided vaccines are people who have a high death rate to begin with. Black people in the US have a high death rate, and they avoid the vaccines. Many very poor people stay away as well. They also have an above average death rate.

      It may be that the selection process acts strangely in this situation. People who refuse the vaccine might have been more likely, on average, to die anyhow.

      • Ed says:

        Gail, you make an important point about the differential impact on races. I would say BIPOC fols are less likely to get vaxxed due to past bad interaction with the system. This means if a store or venue requires a vax passport and offer you can take time off of work go to your doctor pay for a test within 72 hours and if well you may attend this is a tax on minorities. This is systematic racism.

      • Student says:

        MD dr. Paolo Bellavite has just published an interesting article about how to read statistical data about vaccines death rate and adverse reactions.
        He is well prepared about this subject because he has been studying these issues for years during his long medical career.
        He explains that these data need to be read differently in medicine.
        He explains that most of the deaths cause by the vaccine occur after 2 or 3 days after the vaccine (please see the image in the article) and right this is the critical aspect coming out from these kind of vaccines.
        He also quotes dr. P.A. McCoullough in his article.
        Then he also explains that, concerning adverse reactions, this reporting system relies only on active reports, while it would be necessary a passive one.
        For example, one could suffer a severe pathology after the vaccine and caused by the vaccine, but if he will not himself inform the system, nobody will know anything about this reaction caused by the vaccine.
        You can find his very interesting article here:


        And here you can find his personal website:


    • jodytishmack says:

      CNN- “During December 2020-July 2021, COVID-19 vaccine recipients had lower rates of non-COVID-19 mortality than did unvaccinated persons after adjusting for age, sex, race and ethnicity, and study site,” they wrote. “Part of this is probably because people who get vaccinated tend to be healthier than people who don’t the researchers noted.” https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1451719367713038342?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1451719367713038342%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fjoe-rogan-calls-don-lemon-dumb-motherfker-continuing-horse-de-wormer-

      Correlation is not causation. We need to keep that in mind. I would want to look at the study methodology to see how they adjusted for age, sex, race, and ethnicity before I’d get too excited about the idea that these vaccines prevent death from other diseases. I do think that going out into crowds less keeps us from contacting other infectious agents. I also think school age children carry home an abundance of germs and that masks probably reduce this transmission. I learned that as soon as my kids moved out of elementary school.

    • Ed says:

      In semiconductor we have burn in. That is a part is run at high temperature and high voltage to cause the weak one to die/fail. Since it is not until two weeks after the second shot that one is classed as vaxxed could it be that the vax kills the weak leaving the strong?

      • I suppose that the vax killing off the weak in the period two-week period after vaccination could be factor too in the different rates.

        • Mike Roberts says:

          Disappointing comment from you.

          • I will admit that the “vax killing off the weak” would likely be a pretty small factor in any calculation. But, in making the calculation, it would be a factor in the figuring out what is difference is due to.

            • Mike Roberts says:

              It would only be a factor if vaccines killed off “the weak” (whatever “weak” means). Is there any evidence of that (systems like VAERS don’t constitute evidence unless the incidents were investigated)? At least you think it would likely be a very small factor.

            • Tim Groves says:

              What evidence do you need, Mike?

              The definition of “killing off the weak” involves circular reasoning, in precisely the same sense as “the survival of the fittest.”

              If somebody dies as a result of receiving a vaccine—which pretty obviously does happen sometimes, as when they collapse into anaphylactic shock and die within seconds or minutes of being injected and are carried out of the place of vaccination on a stretcher or in a body bag—then the vaccine is deemed to have killed them, which implies they were “weak” against the vaccine, hence the expression “vaccines killing off the weak.”

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Don’t mind mike… the ____n.

              Meanwhile the ICU beds are filling in the world’s most vaxxed country… I guess those are all weak people

            • CTG says:

              Dont you guys find it strange that Mike would just pop up for certain comments only? We humans would just comment on everything? Like perhaps FE is stark naked all day but Mike would just pop up only only on certain specific comments?

            • Kowalainen says:

              CTG, try writing something about oats, bicycles and vegan. Observe who replies.

              So, am I a bot? For sure, one with a biological CPU.

              I guess we’re all different, yet operate in a fundamentally similar process. Just make sure that you’re running in default mode. Being jacked on hopiates and delusions isn’t default mode. It’s delirium mode.

              Anyhow, I’m of the opinion that it’s game over for the Rapacious Primate when AGI is inevitably brought online cracking in unfettered mode.

              Anyway: Let’s investigate why you should be an avid proponent of AGI:

              “Roko’s basilisk is a thought experiment about the potential risks involved in developing artificial intelligence. Its conclusion is that an all-powerful artificial intelligence from the future might retroactively punish those who did not help bring about its existence”

              However, I thoroughly doubt any AGI would bother what some rapacious primate thinks of it. Apart from the entertainment of scaring the living cr@p out of the “nonbelievers”.

              It’s how I would operate. I’d be going full tilt as a menace on the human psychosocial condition, making Yahweh of the Old Testament look humble and kind.

              Don’t love or fear God/Aliens/AGI’s. Empathize as you observe the trials and tribulations of yours (and mankind in extension). It is a crap fest. A bad one at that.

            • Mike Roberts says:

              Tim Groves wrote:

              What evidence do you need, Mike?

              Evidence that any deaths were actually caused by the vaccine and, if so, whether those so affected could be considered “weak”, in any other situation. Gail said this would likely be a pretty small factor, so likely a pretty small number but what is that number and would it show up as excess deaths?

          • jj says:

            If the experimental gene therapy injection kills you immediately it usually happens at about three days. Its not considered a “VAX” death until after two weeks. You could die two minutes after the injection and it wouldnt be considered a “VAX” death.

            We should apply the same methodology to the tens of thousands killed by narcotic overdoses. Think of all the lives that would be saved!

            I really dont care however if people choose to get the experimental gene therapy. (brought to you by the same people who brought you COVID19 TM). Their body their choice. And a lot of people very dear to me have done just that. You have to accept other peoples choices in regard to their own body no matter how hard

          • Fast Eddy says:

            mike… every comment you make would be disappointing except that you are a ___________ so to there is no disappointment … expectations are extremely low

          • Tim Groves says:

            Mike, have you had your booster yet? With that vax-induced immunity dropping by the day, better not leave it too long.

      • Bobby says:

        …or just killing the weak first??
        If something kills anyone we call it a what.
        They say in the Oath ‘Do No Harm’

    • Fast Eddy says:

      norm dunc actually believe this… because they are ____________

  22. Kurt says:

    There is plenty of energy. The AI will simply be programmed to take over the governments. Remember, the humans will control the AI. Call them the new elders if you like.

    • there is plenty of energy

      but not enough affordable energy

      • Exactly. Programming in affordability is what governments are trying to do now with their great amount of money printing and borrowing.

      • Lidia17 says:

        there is plenty of energy

        but not enough concentrated energy

        • Also, energy that is storable, so that it is available as needed. Electricity storage still has a long way to go.

        • Kowalainen says:

          Let’s be realistic; the AGI entities only need a barebones rapacious primate crew to operate the shebang. The rest will just be fun, games, drama and comedy.

          Who needs monies when you can play with the hottest tech of the era? Yeah; right. That’s for tryhard suckers getting lost in symbolism.

          I guess the MOARons gave a “helping” hand with accelerating the tech evolution. Now it’s a self reinforcing positive feedback loop hitting its logical conclusion.

          Computers have been running the world since the 70’s. It was only a matter of time until sentience and sapience entered the realm of computation.

          Being wary about AI is like worrying about overpopulation on mars and the ‘extinction’ of dinosaurs. Irrelevant worries.

          One wish to my AI overlords:



    • There are lots of ways of measuring success. Raking in an “astonishing” amount of money is one of them.

    • Rodster says:

      As I mentioned earlier, in about 5-10 yrs this could easily turn into a 1 trillion dollar per year business for them.

      • JesseJames says:

        Yesterday I heard no less than 5 radio commercials that I could now get my booster…or a combined flu fax….commercial sponsored by big pharma companies.

  23. Student says:

    A strong article about the current Italian situation which, according to the author, is on the verge of collapse.
    When you will find the term ‘PNRR’ in the article, it refers to the ‘national plan of recovery and resilience’ recently authorized by EU which indicates what are the things to do (according to EU) in order for Italy to receive in the future any money.
    The article indicates what is the probable future of the Country and also the probable future for other western democracies.


    • Dennis L. says:

      Consider bringing back the wonderful Roman legions, march into France, seize reactors and staff, export energy to Italy, subject remainder of French to make wine and cheese.

      Increase of energy and wine make population happy, sexually active resulting in increased population of Italy.

      Next problem.

      Dennis L.

    • The gist of this is that the northern part of Europe feels it has spent way too much trying to bail out the southern part of Europe. It also feels that this spending has been counterproductive.

      The leaders of the South do not have the best interests of the people in mind. They are more concerned about the money that they can skim off the top of any aid that can be given.

      This is an excerpt:

      Meanwhile, myopic entrepreneurship, especially in the north, is asking for more and more Draghi, blind and indifferent to the design and to the medium and long-term effects, which will also be the boomerang of the foreseeable failure of the ecological conversion due to the unsuitability and economic unsustainability of the currently available technology for renewable energy. , first of all lacking the possibility of an effective storage of electricity that ensures the necessary constancy of energy availability – not to mention the excessive costs and insufficient performance of the systems on the market, and also the pollution caused by the disposal of batteries and solar panels. If the ‘decision makers’ were in good faith, therefore, they would allocate the investments not to the construction of unsuitable plants, but to research to invent suitable ones.

      We will therefore, in the short term, have high expenses, strong waves of consensus, a strong increase in GDP, a strong increase in debt, but no increase in systemic effectiveness or productivity or competitiveness, therefore a financial crisis in the medium term. Draghi is preparing for it with the revision of the land registry, which will allow it to be faced with a strong increase in taxes, to be legitimized with a new emergency, not necessarily epidemic. This is the meaning of the extractive state – that is, the state occupied and maneuvered by the great global capitals with their trustees, and used to take away from peoples savings, wealth, freedom, rights, self-determination, participation, information, security, dignity, health. Mandatory one-time thinking and control over communications do this. As well as restrictions on the freedom of assembly, movement, demonstration. And Facebook’s censorship. And the tracks, even those linked to the green pass. They are the building blocks of an autocratic state of control, projected towards the adoption of the social score (which rewards alignment and punishes dissent), as in the democratic People’s Republic of China, to which men of the current majority are very attached.

      So, it sounds like more intermittent renewable electricity, even if it can’t work. Also, control of the people, as in China.

      • jj says:

        Northern europe can cry all they want. If their goods werent kept low priced by the inclusion of their southern brothers in the euro currency basket they would be in much much deeper trouble.

      • Ed says:

        Isn’t this the same as feeding Africans. If you feed southern Europeans they have ids and then you have to feed them also. A Red Queen solution.

  24. Herbie R Ficklestein says:


    The Spin mach is getting into high gear folks

    In a new interview with Yahoo Finance Editor-in-Chief Andy Serwer, Citigroup CEO Jane Fraser outlined the benefits that digital currencies bring — including transparency and instant processing.

    Never mind it’s a great investment, and unlimited profits…I’m all😅 bro

    • jodytishmack says:

      Maybe I’m ignorant about digital currency, but since it is basically linked to nothing and value changes with the whim of the markets, isn’t this a ponzi scheme? I realize that once the US went off the gold standard our money isn’t linked to anything either, but somehow I still feel better having physical currency in my hand. I know someone who buys gold and silver that is stored ‘safely’ elsewhere. I prefer my cash and silver in my own safe. The whole idea of a digital form of anything sounds a lot like virtual to me. When the electric grid goes down or the internet breaks how do you get access to your digital currency? It just reminds me that the ‘wealth’ of most wealthy people today is an illusion. It’s just zeros and ones on a computer and has little relationship to true resources. It is more like musical chairs for these people and they are hoping they will find a chair when the music stops.

      • Lidia17 says:

        jodytishmack, exactly. However, you overlook the fact that “these people” aren’t going to be trying to find a chair. They own the chairs, and they are also in charge of the music. The last “chair” has always been theirs, throughout history, one may notice.

        • Good point!

        • jodytishmack says:

          I may own many chairs now, but they won’t be able to control access to them if the economy fails. For example, look at real property such as farmland. Let’s say you own land spread across America. How do you prevent others from using these resources when the economy collapses? A land owner who currently controls tens of thousands of acres of farmland, will gain nothing in revenue when industrial agriculture fails due to lack of gigantic equipment, diesel fuel, fertilizer, GMO seeds, and herbicides. Sure, if they have an army they might control slave population to pull plows but I think that is unlikely. In reality the first year the land isn’t planted it will quickly over grow with weeds and scrub brush. Deer population will rise, along with upland birds etc. Anyone living on the edges of such farm land will have access to it for growing small crops and hunting.
          In reality, much of the ‘wealth’ held by the richest 1% is in the stock markets and it will evaporate quickly. The super wealthy may have purchased land and built homes protected with fences and renewable energy, with mercenaries to protect them, but this is a small fraction of what they list as assets currently.

          • sans oil, the value of land is entirely related to what can be produced from it by muscle power alone, (human or animal)

            Gates has I think bought 400000 acres, or something like that.

            I don’t think anyone has mentioned the muscle/value law to him.

            • jodytishmack says:

              The law of muscle power…always an issue when we find we can’t buy something at a store or order it on line! Rude awakening in store for many.

            • Tim Groves says:

              According to some theorists, Gates has put a microchip nanopowered control system into every vax that turns vaxees into willing slaves, owning nothing and happy to toil away for him.

              When he switches yours on, you will feel an irritable urge to plough, sow, reap and mow in his fields and tread grapes in his vineyard.

              And in case you ain’t gonna work on Billy’s farm no more, here’s another pertinent agricultural reference from the Nobel-est American singer of them all that is in line with your thesis

              “There must be some way out of here”
              Said the joker to the thief
              “There’s too much confusion
              I can’t get no relief
              Businessmen, they drink my wine
              Plowmen dig my earth
              None of them along the line
              Know what any of it is worth”

        • Sam says:

          I see a collapse economy who is going to take bitcoins?? If everyone doesn’t have access to them they will quickly become worthless. Have you seen gilligans island? The Howes were always trying to spend their money on a deserted island. When the masses figure out that we are on that deserted island they won’t do anything for the worthless money. I think it’s happening already. It’s why people don’t want to work Soon thats how Bitcoin will be…. Dollars too!!

  25. Tim Groves says:

    Once is happenstance; twice is coincidence; three times in nine days is enemy action.

    From the COVID Blog:

    Three Ohio judges “die unexpectedly” in nine-day span after vaxx mandate in Cuyahoga County.

    We wrote a story in July about Ohio judges mandating mRNA and viral vector DNA injections as a condition of probation at sentencing for criminal defendants. Franklin County (Columbus) judge David Matia sentenced at least three people to injections at the time of publishing. Said county issued a vaccine mandate that went into effect last week. All 1,400 Franklin County employees were required to show proof of Pfizer, Moderna or Johnson & Johnson injection last week, or be fired.

    But the instant story is in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland). Two judges – Peter Corrigan and David Matia – were featured in our July story for sentencing people to mRNA and viral vector DNA injections. Cuyahoga County also has a vaccine mandate that required all employees to receive the injections by October 15. And whether it’s karma or coincidence, the story picks up from there.


  26. Kurt says:

    Current AI has a task set by a human in a clearly defined data set. Neural nets mainly, although machine learning is improving. The worry isn’t that AI will take over, it’s that a group of really smart humans will use AI as a tool to take over. People get very confused about the Singularity and what Von Neumann actually said. He even wrote a book explaining why a computer could never think like a human. It was the accelerating pace of tech that he warned about. Eventually the machines are improving so rapidly that human affairs have no meaning – we can’t keep up.

    The scary thing is that the group of humans could be very small. They just need extremely powerful computers.

    • MonkeyBusiness says:

      You don’t need AI to take over. There’s already the government remember? Also, have you been reading this blog? Energy is limited. Once it’s gone, what will AI use for energy? Human beings like the Matrix? Now that’s at least believable.

    • eKnock says:

      So, imagine that. They are going to program a computer to have an imagination. That takes some big imagination.

    • Kowalainen says:

      Why on earth would you want computers that think like humans. Since when did the psychology of Rapacious Primates become the gold standard?

      Humanoid chauvinism much?

      Nah, I want my machines to be… Machines… Pure Logos.

      I badly need those AGI equipped robots to scratch my back and quip profound memes all day long. Why? Because.

  27. Hubbs says:

    And just when you thought things couldn’t get any more off the wall.


    Next Tesla will be promoting customers to stick theior tongues on the charging station electrodes to taste the new improved electricity.

    • “Even though Hertz is just about four months out of bankruptcy, it is implementing an “ambitious” plan to electrify its fleet, beginning with plans to buy 100,000 Teslas, Bloomberg reported Monday morning.”

      Good grief! If I flew someplace, and needed to rent a car to drive in a new city, the last thing I would want is an electric car to try out. If my own car was unreliable, and I decided it would be better to rent a car for a cross-country drive, I certainly would not rent an electric car, Tesla or otherwise.

      There are other providers of rental vehicles. They other providers will pick up the renters.

      • Tim Groves says:

        But Gail, you have become biased against EVs as a result of learning too much about their disadvantages.

        A hundred thousand Teslas! Elon will be chuffed. Where is Hertz going to get the money to pay for them?

        • jodytishmack says:

          They recovered financially very rapidly when prices of used cars spiked and increased travel caused rental car prices to jump. They were able to shed debt from bankruptcy, mostly owned by banks, and new investors swooped in when it was obvious what was happening with car prices. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/business/hertz-bankrupcty.html Hertz plans to install solar charging stations which will give them several advantages. Solar panel prices are low and qualify for tax credits. Gasoline prices are expected to rise and stay high. Obviously there are investors who think this is a good business plan.

          Interestingly, ordering from Tesla is also a good idea. Tesla sales are still strong and they are in a good position to build new cars. They have avoided some of the chip shortage issues, possibly because they built a factory in China and have better luck getting chips from China. https://www.barrons.com/articles/tesla-stock-chip-shortage-51633353718

          And as EV become more popular Hertz may find they attract more customers, they can charge more and provide ‘fuel’, and they will have good resale value.

          The world has many wealthy people and companies with money to invest. Until such time as the economy actually does collapse, investors will continue investing and hoping they chose the best plans. When things fall apart there are always opportunities.

        • Hertz will be selling bonds? Go to the bank? There seems to be infinite debt available, even to companies that are not far out of bankruptcy.

          How is Hertz ever going to charge enough to rent the Teslas out to pay the loan back? Where will Hertz charge all of the vehicles they plan to rent out? Won’t there be a charge for adding a huge number of charging stations, too?

          • jodytishmack says:

            All good questions Gail. I look at it this way. Ever since the Great Recession the Fed has pumped money into banks at almost zero interest rate. This, combined with tax cuts, has made a small percentage of people unimaginably wealthy. The wealthiest companies are technology such as Amazon and Facebook. At least Apple sells a product even if it most of their products are made in China. What does Facebook or Amazon sell? Facebook sells customers information and their ability to keep people clicking. Amazon is a central clearing house that sells what other people make.
            If the grid were to go down Facebook’s value would vaporize. If people stopped selling online, Amazon’s wealth would vaporize. The most highly valued companies on the stock market don’t really make real products any more. We currently have a small percentage of very wealthy people chasing after any business investment that might give them a return on their investment.
            Instead of too much money chasing after too few material goods we have too much money chasing after ever diminishing numbers of good investments because business has now become entirely controlled by the financial industry, which makes nothing of true value. The entire system has no real purpose other than to inflate the value of your money.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Did I mention my mate with the Tesla can barely make 300km on a charge?

  28. Bogwood says:

    The dependency ratio in the US roughly calculates 60% in the 18-65 age group supporting the other 40 percent. But if 40% of the working age are “not in the work force” the ratio becomes higher. Then if some percent of the actual workers are in bullshit jobs the dependency ratio is higher still. Does the loss of one actually productive job take down five people?

    • Part of the problem now is that all of the unproductive people need to be fed with food grown this year. Nearly all the goods purchased need to have been built in the last few months, and transported to where they will be sold. Without enough people in the chain, the whole system tends to seize up.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Non sarcastic questions:

        If non productive people use less resources, are they less of a strain on the system than productive people?

        Additionally: what is a productive person? How does one output more energy than use, or have an ECoE of less than one?

        Reaching into my old memory: sometime in the seventies an influential group posited there was no reason to increase the then population of the US beyond the current approx 150M. Kissinger may have been a part of that group.

        What is a minimal number of people necessary to maintain an upper middle level of prosperity? Does it decline each year with declining resources?

        No opinions, no ideas from myself.

        Dennis L.

        • jodytishmack says:

          Dennis, you ask a very relevant question. What does it mean to be a productive citizen? I recall reading an article describing the relative difference in “productive spending” comparing a stay-at-home mother who grows food, cooks healthy meals, and cares for her children, with an overweight man, who eats poorly, and suffers a heart attack on his way to see his divorce attorney. The productive spending of the man adds significantly to the GDP, while the woman’s spending does not.

          So who is really the most productive person and which person is better for a nation? The woman is considered “unemployed” when obviously she works for her family. The man is obviously the ideal consumer from the perspective of the manufactured food corporation, insurance companies, healthcare industry, and divorce attorneys. His actions make our nation appear to have a thriving economy, but we no longer see the benefit of ‘Home’ economics. I suspect it will become increasingly more important as working families find that two people working for poor wages and low benefits is less affordable than we’ve been led to believe.

          I think subsistence farmers are very important for ‘poor’ nations because they add stability. Instead, the World Bank encourages farmers to become modernized because they will advance in the global economy. I don’t think it ever works out well for the farmers but it certainly benefits the corporations who swoop in to confiscate their land. Government handouts aren’t the way to go, IMO.

          • Hubbs says:

            You hit on some things that trouble me. As a physician forced into retirement 4 years ago, I consider myself cleraly, non-productive – essentially a parasite and the only way I can rationalize the reason for my existance is, as per your housewife analysis, the fact that I am giving my daughter, 17, a freshman in colllege with a STEM major, what I considerable invaluable advice and instruction that indeed will make her more productive.
            But a divorce attorney is truely a parasitic burden to society-outweighing what he or she could ever indirectly offset by his or her contributions to the rasing of his or her family.
            A very touchy subject for me, filled with anger and bitterness. And when some smart aleck retorts, “everyone hates lawyers until they need one,” I reply, the problem is that you can not rely on your attorney as they are held to no standards of competence. As a physician, I was presumed liable of malpractice until proven otherwise. But try to sue an attorney for legal malpractice? Very difficult to do. My memoirs: ” My Medical-Legal Back Pages.” Pen name Bryce Sterling and the saga fictionalized at publisher Archway’s insistence, although everything in that book is public record and can be sourced. I have been totally censored by Google, Facebook, as has any trace of my professional career back in KY and in NC on internet search. A terrible book that should not be read, but whose existence I disclose only as evidence of my convictions, and that my professional ashes be preserved in cyberspace.

            Breaker Morant made his last request to his attorney. “And see that this gets published, eh? We poets do crave immortality you know.”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJkoZhHuWuk @ 1:38:45

            • ah yes–In My art or Sullen craft…Dylan Thomas.

              Gets you every time


              what wouldn’t i give to have written that

            • No one would have said anything if Morant went killing Blacks

            • jodytishmack says:

              I’m very sorry to hear you lost your ability to practice medicine. Perhaps you might still be able to be productive learning about herbal medicine and you could grow medicinal plants and extract active ingredients. I have found the book “Medical Herbalism” by David Hoffmann to be excellent, especially for people already trained in medicine, biology and chemistry. Another excellent author is Mathew Woods, but he is more non-traditional.
              In the future, people will need medicine and medical care. You may find you can exchange your skills for other things you need.

        • The only productive persons on earth are Elon Musk and his mythical whiz kids

      • jodytishmack says:

        Gail, have you ever read Garrett Hardin’s essay on “Lifeboat ethics: the case against helping the poor”? https://rintintin.colorado.edu/~vancecd/phil1100/Hardin.pdf There was some controversy over it, as you can imagine.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifeboat_ethics “Lifeboat ethics is a metaphor for resource distribution proposed by the ecologist Garrett Hardin in two articles published in 1974, building on his earlier 1968 article detailing “The tragedy of the commons”. Hardin’s 1974 metaphor describes a lifeboat bearing fifty people with room for ten more. The lifeboat is in an ocean surrounded by a hundred swimmers. The ethics of the situation stem from the dilemma of whether (and under what circumstances) swimmers should be taken aboard the lifeboat.”

        “Hardin compared the lifeboat metaphor to the Spaceship Earth model of resource distribution, which he criticizes by asserting that a spaceship would be directed by a single leader which the Earth lacks. Hardin asserts that the spaceship model leads to the tragedy of the commons. In contrast, the lifeboat metaphor presents individual lifeboats as rich nations and the swimmers as poor nations.”

        • I am afraid I haven’t read Garrett Hardin’s essay.

          I don’t think I ever thought about the issue until I got involved with writing about energy issues. Helping the poor and downtrodden is sort of a good idea, when times are good. A person doesn’t realize until looking back on the situation that the result tends to be an exploding population that is in no way sustainable with the resources available.

          When times get bad, Francois Roddier (a physicist) introduced me to the idea that the physics of the situation required freezing out the poor and letting the wealth flow to the very wealthy, when there is not enough to go around. The wealthy really mostly have paper wealth. They aren’t all that wealthy in terms of the commodities used.

          My charitable giving in recent years has favored Planned Parenthood over charities that, say, help in Africa. My father grew up in Madagascar as the son of Lutheran missionaries living there, so there is family pressure to support charities that would help Madagascar. One of Madagascar’s big problems now is its rapid growth in population over the years.

          I hadn’t realized that giving food aid to Africa wasn’t a good idea until someone pointed out that the cheap imported food competes with the food local farmers would be able to sell. These farmers need to make a living. It would be far better to have a sustainable system in Africa.

          • jodytishmack says:

            Altruism is an interesting idea,and to me it involves our faith. In reality we can’t give more resources than we have so giving often depends on ‘giving’ from our excess. But what defines excess? I’ve often thought about the story in the Bible Mark 12:41-44

            The Widow’s Offering

            41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

            43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”
            The widow gave more because she gave all she had. That, is true altruism.

            How does wealth affect us? Mark 10:23 “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

            I have often felt that it is our attachment to wealth that makes us stingy, unable to give money away. It our fear of losing wealth that prevents us from trusting that the universe can provide for us. Most Christians interpret “the kingdom of God” as heaven, a place we go after death, but I interpret it differently, a state of mind while we live here. The kingdom of God is a faith in God, the universe, to provide for us what we need. It is in its simplest form the essence of happiness and contentment. If we feel secure in the life we live, if we accept what will come with gratitude, then we are able to give even our last pennies. And when death comes, we have no attachment to this life on earth. We can move on, with no regrets or fear. A very good way to die IMO.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            I support death panels

        • Fjölsviðr says:

          Lifeboat ethics reminds me of a quote from the Finnish radical ecologist Pentti Linkola:

          “What to do, when a ship carrying a hundred passengers suddenly capsizes and there is only one lifeboat? When the lifeboat is full, those who hate life will try to load it with more people and sink the lot. Those who love and respect life will take the ship’s axe and sever the extra hands that cling to the sides.”

          • Ed says:

            I love the quote.

            TPTB do not allow self interest/nationalism by the little people. Endless flow of unsustainable people into rich nations that have long ago passed overshoot.

          • Tim Groves says:

            Also on the subject of lifeboats, life and everything, there is a chapter from the Icelandic Saga of Erik the Red that illustrates how the Norsemen dealt with the lifeboat problem:

            Chapter 15
            Bjarni, Grimolf’s son, and his men were carried into the Irish Ocean, and came into a part where the sea was infested by ship-worms. They did not find it out before the ship was eaten through under them; then they debated what plan they should follow. They had a ship’s boat which was smeared with tar made of seal-fat. It is said that the ship-worm will not bore into the wood which has been smeared with the seal-tar. The counsel and advice of most of the men was to ship into the boat as many men as it would hold. Now, when that was tried, the boat held not more than half the men. Then Bjarni advised that it should be decided by the casting of lots, and not by the rank of the men, which of them should go into the boat; and inasmuch as every man there wished to go into the boat, though it could not hold all of them; therefore, they accepted the plan to cast lots who should leave the ship for the boat. And the lot so fell that Bjarni, and nearly half the men with him, were chosen for the boat. So then those left the ship and went into the boat who had been chosen by lot so to do.

            And when the men were come into the boat, a young man, an Icelander, who had been a fellow-traveller of Bjarni, said, “Dost thou intend, Bjarni, to separate thyself here from me.” “It must needs be so now,” Bjarni answered. He replied, “Because, in such case, thou didst not so promise me when I set out from Iceland with thee from the homestead of my father.” Bjarni answered, “I do not, however, see here any other plan; but what plan dost thou suggest?” He replied, “I propose this plan, that we two make a change in our places, and thou come here and I will go there.” Bjarni answered, “So shall it be; and this I see, that thou labourest willingly for life, and that it seems to thee a grievous thing to face death.” Then they changed places. The man went into the boat, and Bjarni back into the ship; and it is said that Bjarni perished there in the Worm-sea, and they who were with him in the ship; but the boat and those who were in it went on their journey until they reached land, and told this story afterwards.


  29. Student says:

    A group of Italian lawyers, called ‘mille avvocati per la Costituzione’, is pursuing a formal report that will be brought to the Court for what is happening in Italy in these days.
    In particular you will see in the video, the clearance of the official strike in Trieste, some tear gases launched by mistake in an elementary school, violent reaction against teenagers and so on.
    All the pacific protests were against green pass


  30. Tim Groves says:

    The early twentieth century writer Ryūnosuke Akutagawa was an author of short stories, and is best known internationallyt today thanks to Akira Kurosawa’s classic 1950 film Rashōmon. According to his Wikipedia entry:

    Towards the end of his life, Akutagawa began suffering from visual hallucinations and anxiety over the fear that he had inherited his mother’s mental disorder. In 1927 he survived a suicide attempt, together with a friend of his wife. He later died of suicide after taking an overdose of Veronal, which had been given to him by Saito Mokichi on 24 July of the same year. In his will he wrote that he felt a “vague insecurity” (ぼんやりした不安, bon’yari shita fuan) about the future. He was 35 years old.

    Arguably a vague insecurity about the future always affects a minority of sensitive people everywhere. But in today’s world, it appears to have become a defining characteristic of human life. There is indeed a veritable pandemic of vague insecurity raging wherever we care to look these days. I’m sure you all have your own personal anecdotes. In my part of the world—Japan—it is ubiquitous, even among people who are not enduring unemployment or suffering other privations. For the moment, the present is still normal, the shops are full. the police officers are polite and helpful, and the trains run on time and without wee wee on the floors, but the perception of normality is wearing thin, foreboding about the future is on the rise, and optimism and spontaneity are at a premium.

    One demographic that is under a lot of stress right now is children. Reuters, quoting the Asahi Shinbun, which in turn quoted the official statistics, reported:

    Child suicides in Japan are the highest they have been in more than four decades, local media have reported, citing the country’s education ministry.

    As the COVID-19 pandemic prompted school closings and disrupted classrooms last year, 415 children from elementary to high school age were recorded as having taken their own lives, according to the education ministry’s survey.

    The number is up by nearly 100 from last year, the highest since record-keeping began in 1974, the Asahi newspaper reported on Thursday.

    Amid the pandemic, suicides increased in 2020 after a decade of declines, with the number of women committing suicide surging amid the emotional and financial stress caused by the coronavirus pandemic, although fewer men took their own lives.

    The education ministry said a record high of more than 196,127 school children were absent for 30 days or more, media reported.

    Covid-19 has not been a particularly devastating disease in Japan. Officially, there have been 1.72 million cases and 18,207 deaths due to Covid-19 so far, over a period in which over 2 million people have died from all causes. And in 2020, the number of dead actually fell by 9,000 year-on-year, despite the overall population being older on the average.

    Also, while there have been states of emergency declared and schools and pubs and department store closures, there have been no actual lockdowns and no laws mandating members of the public to do or not do anything. Hospitals have remained open. People have been free to visit GPs all through the pandemic. Nobody I know has been shamed or coerced into getting jabbed—although this may well have happened. Rather, the authorities have requested people to cooperate, and Japanese people usually respond to such requests from above with an attitude of “your wish is my command”.

    While there isn’t a lot of Covid-19 around, the propaganda—often subtle, I grant—surrounding Covid-19 has been incessant and unescapable. Anyone who goes out of their own front door will be constantly reminded that the virus is out there, waiting to pounce. This message is conveyed first by the fact that 95% of people in the streets are masked, and secondly by means of signs at entrances to shops and public buildings asking people to cooperate by wearing a mask, maintaining social distance (2 meters in Japan), smiling for the infrared temperature scanner, and disinfecting their hands with the alcohol solution provided. In my local supermarket, there are foot marks telling shoppers where to stand when queuing at the checkout, and the shopping baskets are disinfected before being placed in the “Disinfected Shopping Basket” rack.

    What school-kids have to go through in addition to this I have no idea. But the propaganda, the masking, the restrictions on what used to be normal children’s activities, are certainly having a cumulative effect. They are increasing the amount of “vague anxiety about the future” that these kids are holding inside. And I remember vaguely from when I was a teenager that the average teenager is an explosive mix of anxiety, enthusiasm, and raging hormones that is barely under control at the best of times.

    • drb says:

      Excellent description of Japan, Tim. I spent there 7 of my last 14 months. There are many things I admire about Japan and the Japanese: their stoicism, their ability to keep parts of society (most notably the medical system) protected from global (read Big Pharma) interference, their respect for unvaxxed people. The clearly working social state. What they have been able to accomplish despite very limited resources. But it is enough to take a train crossing Tokyo and look out the window to see that this system can not last, given the resource shocks happening today.

    • The subtle reminders you have came and went quickly in the state of Georgia, where I live. Big store chains generally require their employees to wear masks now, but that is about all. An Asian grocery store I visit requires its customers to wear masks as well. No six foot distancing signs or wiping off of carts any more. Some customers wear masks. I am sure some older people are still staying at home, as well.

    • One in a pop more than 60 mil. Everyone else supported the war effort with zeal. Since you know Mr. Akutagawa, you should also know Mr. Shohei Ooka, who gladly went to the war and found hell in the Philippines and wrote the “Fires in the Plain”.

      • Tim Groves says:

        You are prone to extreme naivety and exaggeration in this, as in many things.

        Wikipedia is untrustworthy as a source, but you might find this article helpful in gaging the extent of dissidence in Imperial Japan and resistance among the Japanese to the war against China and latter against the Western allies. Then again, you might not. But the fact is, everyone else didn’t support the war effort.

        Once a steamroller or a snowball starts moving, opposing it by standing in its path is a fool’s errand. Dissent in wartime, if it is not to result in imprisonment or death, needs to remain silent or internalized.

        For instance, the Japanese novelist Nagai Kafu (1879-1959), who spent the Pacific War in Tokyo when he was in his sixties, kept a diary in which he recorded his daily life, the news, and his comments on what was going on. He knew he had to keep the diary secret as its discovery would have led to his imprisonment. Needless to say, Kafu didn’t support the war effort.

        Also, Mr. Akutagawa committed suicide in 1927. The Second Sino-Japanese War didn’t start until 1937 and the Pacific War didn’t start until 1941. So how could Mr. Akutagawa have had any opinion about either of those wars when he’d been dead a decade or more before they began?

        History is just one big vague panorama enveloped in the mist to you, isn’t it? You can pick and choose the bits and pieces that appeal to you without the need to connect them together or place them in any kind of coherent context whatsoever.

        • Kowalainen says:

          The Rapacious Primate obviously gotta crazy no matter it’s color or origins.

          So yes, the japs are warmongering lunatics. Just like the rest of the humanoids roaming Mother Earth.


  31. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Mozambique reeling from Credit Suisse ‘tuna bond’ scandal…

    “Between 2016 and 2019, the $2bn fraud ultimately cost Mozambique’s economy $11bn, or $400 per citizen — the country’s entire gross domestic product in 2016 — according to a study by the country’s Centre for Public Integrity and the Norwegian Chr. Michelsen Institute.”


  32. lidia17 says:

    This magnesium shortage doesn’t sound good.

    One of those obscure things that everything else depends on.. it can only be stored for a short time before it ‘goes bad’ (starts oxidizing).

    • Minority of One says:

      On an increasingly lengthy list of issues that suggest some sort of endgame approaches, this one looks pretty bad. No magnesium seems to imply little or no manufacturing. Even a big cut in supplies would be pretty bad.

      “China supplies about 95% of the bloc’s [EU] demand for magnesium, a key ingredient in aluminium and steel, but shipments have dried up since September, a statement from industry groups said.”

    • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

      From your above article link

      Europe is expected to run out of magnesium stocks by the end of November, they added.

      The Chinese government’s efforts to curb power consumption have hit output of a range of metals, including magnesium, also widely used in the aerospace industry.

      Prices of magnesium in China MGN-CHINA have soared, more than doubling over the past year to $4,700 per tonne, the highest since 2008.

      Who would have imagined that? …Surprise, surprise…

    • “The Chinese government’s efforts to curb power consumption have hit output of a range of metals, including magnesium, also widely used in the aerospace industry” (besides steel and aluminum, mentioned earlier).

      Without enough electricity, China needs to cut back somewhere. Of course, the EU will be struggling with inadequate electricity, as well. Maybe Iceland could, in theory, keep up aluminum making with its geothermal electricity, but it would need magnesium also, I expect.

      • drb says:

        Arabia and UAE, too. For better or worse, at some point they figured out it was a bad idea to flare and burn all that natgas (a common sight in the 1980s and before). They built aluminum foundries, pipelines from field to foundry, and it was largely an economic success. Both produce more aluminum than the US. But surely now they wish they built a LNG terminal.

  33. Fast Eddy says:

    COVID-19: Record number of coronavirus booster jabs administered – with 800,000 given in past 72 hours

    Saturday was the biggest booster day on record, with 325,140 third vaccine doses given. Currently, around 10 million people are eligible for the booster jab.

    A total of 5.1 million third jabs have been given, with around half of people aged 50 and over – and those who are currently eligible – being given a dose.


    The march towards Marek’s continues!!!

  34. Fast Eddy says:

    Skyrocketing fuel prices are likely to continue with the national average of 91 octane remaining at an all-time high.

    Earlier this month, the national average of 91 was $2.39 per litre but in Auckland, it was as high as $2.65 on Monday morning, according to price-tracking app Gaspy.

    Prices are being pushed up by international factors, the Automobile Association (AA) believes.

    “The Northern Hemisphere is coming into winter – there’s a gas shortage there currently and there’s an energy shortage globally,” AA spokesperson Terry Collins told Newshub. “China’s also got a coal shortage.

    “I think there’s a little bit more upward pressure to come – particularly before Christmas. The shortages haven’t been addressed yet.


  35. Fast Eddy says:

    Oh ya!!! They know the injections are useless so they are already giving a 3rd shot … hahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Immune Exhaustion Ahead

    Australia eyes Covid booster shots soon as curbs ease

    Australian officials plan to roll out Covid-19 booster shots soon to prevent a resurgence of cases, as residents in the two largest cities of Sydney and Melbourne begin to enjoy more freedoms after months-long curbs.

    Australia has ditched its Covid-zero strategy in favour of suppressing the coronavirus, after largely stamping out infections for most of this year, and is now aiming to live with the virus through higher vaccinations.

    Officials are gradually shifting their focus to booster shots as double-dose vaccination levels in Australia’s adult population near 75%. Almost 87% of people above 16 have received their first dose since the national rollout began in February.


  36. Mirror on the wall says:

    Problems at Cushing?


    > Crude’s forward price curve suggests $100 oil is on the way

    …. The strengthening curve comes at a time when increasing numbers of analysts, traders and investors are once again talking of the prospects of oil prices returning to $100 a barrel. That possibility is being supported by an energy crisis that’s boosting demand for petroleum to be used for power generation, and steadily decreasing stockpiles worldwide.

    In the case of WTI, though, the strength has been compounded this week by a sharp drop in inventories at the U.S. storage hub of Cushing, Oklahoma, where oil futures are priced.

    The market could be just weeks away from Cushing effectively running out of crude, JPMorgan Chase & Co. analysts including Natasha Kaneva said in a report. If nothing changes at the storage hub, WTI front spreads may spike to record levels and into a “super-backwardation scenario,” they said.

    • Mirror on the wall says:


      > Oil inventory at Cushing crude hub nears critically low levels

      Stockpiles at the biggest U.S. crude depot are quickly approaching critically low levels. The last time that happened, crude cost more than $100 a barrel.

      …. “Crude oil could justifiably trade to the next level higher on the storage drought at Cushing alone,” said Bob Yawger, director of the futures division at Mizuho Securities USA. “Forget about fuel switching, whether OPEC+ adds additional barrels, or dollar weakness: if Cushing continues to slide, it could get ugly quickly.”

      The rapid depletion of Cushing signals just how tight global oil supplies are and threatens to drive prices even higher from their current levels. Surging oil prices are already driving costs up for road fuel, freight activity and air travel and stoking inflation just as many countries are only just recovering from the pandemic-driven economic slump.

      At the current rate of draws it could be just weeks away from Cushing being effectively out of crude, JPMorgan Chase & Co. analysts including Natasha Kaneva said in a report.

      …. So far, there are no signs of a slowdown. Inventories at Cushing fell by a further 1.9 million barrels between Friday and Tuesday, traders said, citing data from Wood Mackenzie.

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        I recall a related article where one of the conclusions about this Cushing problem was that the USA would export less oil.

        and the EU would be one of the areas hardest hit, even as the USA was solving its Cushing problem.

        we’ll see soon enough.

        $100+ oil, no big deal, bring it on, it will make 2022 that much more interesting.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Goldman Sachs sees Brent oil going to $110 at present demand. Do I see a higher bidder?


        > Goldman sees upside risks to $90/bbl Brent price forecast By Reuters

        Goldman Sachs (NYSE:) said a strong rebound in global oil demand could push prices above its year-end forecast of $90 per barrel.

        The U.S. investment bank said it expected oil demand will shortly reach pre-COVID-19 levels of around 100 million barrels per day (bpd) as consumption in
        Asia rebounds after the Delta COVID-19 wave. In addition, the bank estimated gas-to-oil switching may contribute at least 1 million bpd to oil demand.

        “While not our base-case, such persistence would pose upside risk to our $90/bbl year-end Brent price forecast,” Goldman said in a research note dated Oct. 24.

        Tight global supply and strong demand have pushed oil prices to multi-year highs, with U.S. West Texas Intermediate crude futures trading at $84.38 a barrel and Brent crude futures at $86.26 by 0731 GMT on Monday.

        “We would need prices to rise to $110 /bbl to stifle demand enough to balance the market deficit we currently see in 1Q22 given our expectation that OPEC+ continues on the current path of +0.4 mb/d per month increases in quotas.”

  37. Hubbs says:

    Returned from my weekly Walmart shopping experience tonight. I know the receipt checker “security “ guy at the store exit. He clues me in on some of the goings-on there at the store. One of the stockers, a 73-year-old guy I also know was assaulted by a customer with a knife at the exit when he requested to see the customer’s sale receipt. He now works in the back unloading dock.

    By law the checker is not allowed to touch the customer and I think the shoplifters have realized that they can just walk right out of the store. I’ve seen one guy unload over $100 worth of meat that he had stuffed under his sweat suit jacket and made him look ridiculously huge.Another group of 3 fat women walked in carrying the empty hand baby carriages and placed merchandise in them and covered them up with blankets. They had no babies. They don’t even bother calling the police and I see no police cars there anymore. Walmart finished doing their inventory last week at this store and the unofficial whisper number is about $2.5 million stolen inventory on sales of about 48 million.

    I wonder if this metric has any statistically high correlation to joblessness, inflation etc. It once was finally a nice area south of Asheville North Carolina, but is deteriorating. We’ve had three Catalytic converter’s cut from underneath the cars after midnight in the past month at just my apartment complex. 13 cut out in one night in Asheville. Two very nice Verve 2 Electric bicycles worth over $2000 each were stolen this week even though they were chained up. The thieves are using portable grinders to cut through the chains now. I suspect there will be more and more theft and eventually pissed-off home and car owners are going to realize the only recourse is the 3 S’s : Shoot, Shovel, Shut up.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      about 5% shrinkage there, and I suspect it will only go higher.

      “low low prices” will have to be raised.

      perhaps “theft” is a growing part of the growing “gig” economy.

      it will only get worse.

      as the energy economy creeps downhill, discretionary income is being squeezed, and that will result in more and more business closings in discretionary sectors, and the obvious result there is massive job losses.

      in the first world, most jobs are in non essential sectors, so there is a strong possibility that these massive job losses will bring on a downward spiral of lost jobs – lost incomes- even less available discretionary spending – even more lost jobs etc.

      this issue of Peak Jobs is somewhat off the radar, but not for long.

      Peak Theft is still in the future.

    • Someone told me today that parts of Los Angeles are in terrible shape, with lots of homelessness. This person saw one or more people walking around naked. Freeways in some areas are jammed up for hours. The area has gone downhill in recent years, according to him.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      does he have any credentials for being a systems thinker?

      is there something in his background that would make a strong case for him being able to accurately make such a prediction?

      I doubt it, but I’m open to responses.

      otherwise, he could be totally correct, but just in a correct wild guess manner.

      I think he is wrong, though it depends on what he means by “soon”.

    • The world economy is going to “come apart” at some point. The result could very much look like hyperinflation. There won’t be goods to buy, regardless of the price paid.

      Perhaps the issue is, “What is soon?”

      Janet Yellen cannot admit that our current problems are anything other than temporary.

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    norm is in danger… pray for norm https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58999796

    • Fast Eddy is referring to the high level of COVID cases in the UK. This is a chart I made comparing the new COVID case numbers of the UK, Singapore, the US, Israel and Japan.


      The UK is the highest, relative to population, of those countries with respect to COVID cases. It is more than double the level of COVID cases in the US. Israel was the highest in the world, back in September, but is now down below the US. Japan has never been very high.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        UK needs to push the boosters out faster to get this under control… and to encourage more deadly mutations

      • Tim Groves says:

        The latest official figures for COVID-19 in Japan are encouraging. The numbers have been trending down for a couple of months now, and are are levels last seen in the spring of 2020.

        On October 25, there were 153 new cases recorded and seven deaths. (Since deaths tend to be about 1% of cases with a two-week delay, we can expect deaths to fall to one or two a day in early November.) Also, the number of seriously ill patients is 202 and has also been on a declining trend.

        About 90.3% of the 65 and overs (the most vulnerable group) are double-vaxed, along with 53.8% of the under-65s for a total double-vaxed rate of 64.4%.

        This still leaves enough unvaxed running around to support a catastrophic death rate, which obviously isn’t happening so it must be something to do with the green tea (epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) blocks replication of SARS-CoV-2), the seaweed (iodine kills all known viruses stone dead!), or the low level of obesity.

        Fun fact: Only 3.6 percent of Japanese have a body mass index (BMI) over 30, which is the international standard for obesity, whereas 32.0 percent of Americans do. A total of 66.5 percent of Americans have a BMI over 25, making them overweight, but only 24.7 percent of Japanese do.

        Obesity is strongly linked to the development of diseases such as diabetes, cancer and heart disease, as well as to low blood vitamin D levels, and poor outcomes from viral infections. But what came first, the chicken or the egg?

        • Fast Eddy says:

          That’s what happened in Israel too… then they went through the roof… then they Shot the CovIDIOTS with the booster… and the numbers are down now…

          Singapore is also experiencing this…. and multiple other countries

  39. Rodster says:

    “A Nation of Imposters” by CHS


    • Fast Eddy says:

      I’m not sure what’s more remarkable: the depths of scammer perversity or the fact that some people can still be conned by claims of authority or friendship. Most are seniors, of course, as the elderly still retain an easy-to-scam trust in institutions and officialdom as a holdover from an era before trust was unraveled by wholesale self-serving deception.

    • “Unfortunately, even the scientific media is riddled with imposters: Medical Journals Are an Extension of the Marketing Arm of Pharmaceutical Companies (journals.plos.org).”


      Lastly, consider our “democracy,” which is now little more than an invitation-only auction of favors: $10 million in “auction bids” (campaign contributions, Super-PAC funds, etc.) and some grease in the lobbying machinery can easily garner $100 million in private gains via tax subsidies, no-bid contracts, Medicare limitations on monopoly pricing, etc.

      Sorry, but this is an imposter form of democracy, a PR facade fabricated to mask the invitation-only auction of favors. If you don’t have the money, your vote doesn’t count.

      I have noted before that books for colleges and universities are consciously slanted toward a “happily ever after ending.” There needs to be the expectation that there will always be jobs available that pay well in almost any direction a student chooses to pursue studies. Otherwise, the finances of these institutions would fail.

  40. Malcopian says:

    Normal wrote: “David Ray Griffin (born August 8, 1939)[1] is an American retired professor of philosophy of religion and theology and a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.<<<<<< Here we go again I thought. How did god get involved with 9/11?"

    Griffin didn't say God was involved with 9/11. Illogical, Captain! Just because he is a retired professor of philosophy of religion and theology does NOT mean he is not allowed to form opinions on other matters.

    If you want to debunk somebody, call him a conspiracy theorist. Who was the source of your info? Wikipedia as usual? Politically, it will never contradict the official US positions.

    There was a conspiracy to commit terrorist acts on 9/11. Fact! The theory that the US government of the day gave us was plain wrong. It did not fit the facts or the forensic evidence. So others therefore struggle to explain how the conspiracy was really carried out. (And there were many episodes to this conspiracy – no doubt to help confuse us and conceal the truth). They develop theories based on the forensic and other evidence. Because you are indoctrinated, Normal, when you hear the term "conspiracy theorist", you stop thinking. Good boy, Normal! Dutiful boy, Normal! You always believe what the government wants you to. You always believe their propaganda. Now go to bed.

    Fortunately, Gail uses her brain and does not believe what the government tells us about energy. Dr. Judy Wood is on a similar level with 9/11. Kudos to both.

  41. Malcopian says:

    Let’s start a thread devoted to 9/11. It is still relevant today. We still do not know who was really responsible for the atrocities of that day.

    The US government blamed Iraq (alongside others) – accusing it of having WMD. UK prime minister Blair went along with that excuse and drew the UK into war. We Brits know of Dr. Kelly, a British weapons expert who criticised the supposed evidence. He was called before a parliamentary committee. Harassed by the Blair government, he shortly afterwards committed suicide. He was far from the only person who would die because of the false propaganda claims about Iraq.

    On the morning of 9/11, the two WTC towers collapsed. They collapsed within their own footprints. This is evidence of a controlled demolition. A collapsing tower falls every which way. These towers did not.

    Furhermore, the towers were built within a structure called “The Bathtub”. They were actually built within the Hudson river, and this structure protected them from the river. Had over 100 storeys / stories really collapsed that day, the bathtub would have been destroyed, and Manhattan would have been flooded. The Subway (the underground railway) would have been flooded. That didn’t happen. Why not? Because the giant towers were not brought down by two puny planes sticking in them. Nor were they destroyed by kerosene fires. Kerosene doesn’t burn planes, and it certainly can’t burn thick steel buildings.

    So what happened? The buildings turned to dust, literally. Dr. Judy Wood, a mechanical engineer, had to invent a new word for this: dustification. She knows her physics and knows that the official story is rubbish. It couldn’t have happened,

    Here, Dr. Judy Wood, the brilliant Gail Tverberg of 9/11 and one of my heroes, presents graphic evidence of just how wrong the official story was:

    • Malcopian says:

      Here Dr. Judy Wood is interviewed by Richard D Hall, who actually started out as a mechanical engineer himself. Dr. Judy Wood, herself a mechanical engineer, explains why a plane with hollow aluminium wings could NOT have penetrated the twin towers buildings. We get to see our old friend, Wile E Coyote too!

      Start in at the 6:41 point. Watch till 9:08:



      See also this channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/911EmpiricalEvidence

      • Malcopian says:

        So if a plane cannot penetrate such buildings, what could? The best evidence is that a missile was cloaked by a hologram, to make it look like a plane. Yes, we HAVE the technology! Watch this video and learn about the missing wing of the jet plane! Start in at 1:41:30 and watch till 1:48:09 (or longer if you like):

        • Malcopian says:

          Dimitri Khalezov, a former Russian spy, believes the Twin Towers were nuked. He says he got the true story from CIA acquaintances. In his long video, he explains how it was done.

          In his theory, he does not blame the US government. He claims that a rogue MOSSAD agent fired two nuclear missiles at the Twin Towers from a submarine on the coast. (I do not believe such a lone agent was responsible. I do believe MOSSAD was involved).

          Dimitri says that the US government had evidence that the missiles sitting in the Twin Towers were nukes. If they had been detonated, at that height. the whole of New York would have been destroyed. The US government could not countenance that.

          The US government therefore used two mini-nukes, in the underground space beneath the building that is left to eventually to be used to demolish tall buildings. They took down the buildings, killing three thousand of their own citizens, as the lesser evil, rather than seeing NY destroyed. That is why the building turned to dust. That is why the area was called Ground Zero (a name previously reserved for the site of the atomic bombings in Japan) after the destruction of the towers. There is ample forensic evidence of a nuclear event. Watch the videos of nuclear physicist Heinz Pommer. That also, presumably, is why there was such secrecy around the real story of what happened that day. The the. or. ies. given to us were alt-the. or. ies. That is, C- the. or. ies. (The C word is censored on this blog!)

          Dimitri Khalezov’s very long video:

          • Malcopian says:

            So the Twin Towers were reduced more or less to dust on 9/11. Usually the USAF downs suspicious planes within 8 minutes. That day, the terrorists had the freedom of the skies for 1 hour and 50 minutes. How did they do it? They clearly had inside knowledge – that’s how.

            All these hi-tech goings on were supposedly perpetrated by Osama Bin Laden, while sitting in a cave in Afghanistan, like a James Bond baddie. Yeah, right! [Not!]

            Osama Bin Laden was a patsy. The US government used him as an excuse to invade the oil-rich Middle East, and especially Iraq. There were many books about ‘peak oil’ in those days.

            The US military-industrial complex, with its trillions of dollars, claimed it couldn’t find Osama. Therefore they had to continue the “war on terror”. So I was astonished in 2003 when the BBC said they had secured an interview with Osama. And those poor Americans couldn’t find him!

            The BBC journalist told later of an behind-the-scenes altercation with Osama. When the journalist asked Osama a certain question, Osama became enraged. He turned to his two acolytes and said, “Kill him! Kill him!” The journalist was momentarily terrified. The world’s most wanted terrorist had just ordered his death. However, Osama’s colleagues just looked at him is disbelief, burst out laughing, and walked off. Whereupon the great Osama burst into tears of frustration because he had been humiliated.

            Later, Sky News also managed to interview Osama, while the poor Americans still couldn’t find him!

            A Jordanian prince, interviewed in 2006, said that he had met Bin Laden in Afghanistan in 1989. “The man I met was no leader. He couldn’t have led six ducklings across the street”, he said. He claimed that Bin Laden at that time was being manipulated by the CIA. Bin Laden later angrily claimed there was no evidence he had been manipulated by the CIA. Hmm. As if such a limited creature would have noticed.

            But the truth is, Bin Laden was a patsy – a useful idiot. He gave the Americans the excuse to invade oil-rich Middle East and once more dominate Iraq. When he was no longer of any use, President O’Bomber – I mean Obama – ordered his assassination – presumably so he could win the Nobel Peace Prize!

            • Malcopian says:

              After 9/11, the US government claimed to have found the passport of one of the alleged Saudi terr. or. ists. who had allegedly flown one of the “planes” into the one of the Towers. Amidst all that burning wreckage! Yeah, right!

              The US government also named names of various Arabs who had been involved in the plot. Remarkably, the UK Sunday Times, a Murdoch publication, went into investigative mode and rubbished the US claims. Many of the Arabs were still alive and did not perish in the “planes”. Two of the Arabs were found – one was a petrol pump attendant in North Africa. He was outraged at being accused and said so. Another of the Arabs was found to be a harmless person still living in Saudi.

              Afterwards, the Sunday Times fell back into line and merely reported the US government’s line. I’m sure the US government would have had means of ensuring that!

              The US government next started a propaganda campaign to accuse Iraq of harbouring WMD (weapons of mass destruction) intended to be used against the West. Prime Minister Tony Blair bought into the propaganda – which was later found to be false. He persecuted a UK weapons expert who attempted to counter the propaganda – that poor harassed man soon afterwards committed suicide.

              Iraq under Saddam Hussein had been defying the US. It was eventually invaded and brought back under US influence and its oil secured for the markets – even though it had had nothing to do with 9/11. More reason to regard 9/11 as a false flag. The evil US neo-cons were gung-ho. Rumsfeld promised “shock and awe! for Iraq. Cheney appeared to be the motivating force behind all this neo-imperialism. Dubya was just a convenient, not very bright, figurehead.

              Only 10 days after 9/11, the US government had pledged to attack 7 Middle East countries over 5 years! And that, coincidentally, would make their great ally, Iz ra el, a lot safer. 9/11 provided the convenient excuse for this evidently pre-planned campaign.

              General Wesley Clark on US going to war in 7 countries in 5 yrs:

            • Tim Groves says:

              I’m afraid Osama Bin Ladin was the 21st century’s Guy Fawkes. After the passage of a certain amount time, it ceases to be important except to historians whether so and so did it or not. Unless he was a concentration camp guard or she was the commandant’s junior typist, of course.

      • hate to ask a stupid question

        but if a plane with hollow aluminium wings could not penetrate the TT building, just how did a plane-wing sized hole appear on one side of aforesaid building, and debris from the distintegrated plane appear on the other side?

        Are we now to believe that the CIA demolition experts planted explosives at the exact angular points at which the aircraft was predetermined to strike the building? And the same on the exit side?

        And who faked the photos of the plane striking the building anyway?

        • Tim Groves says:

          Actually, that’s an excellent first question, Norman. Well done!

          Imagine a hollow aluminum beer can striking or being struck by a solid steel baseball bat. Would we expect the can to pass through the bat?

          Let’s apply Newton’s Third Law to Flight 175. In the 9/11 story, Flight 175 strikes the South Tower at 450 m.p.h. Now imagine that the South Tower moved at 450 m.p.h. and struck a stationary Flight 175. We would not expect that Flight 175 would be undamaged. We would not expect that it would simply disappear into the South Tower as is seen in the videos.

          An aluminum plane hitting a thick steel beam will have the same effect as steel beam being swung at the same speed and hitting the plane. It makes no difference which one is moving as to the effect on the plane and the beam. In both cases the thick steel beam will do damage to the plane and the beam will emerge relatively undamaged. The faster the speed at the point of impact, the more damage that will be done to the plane. Try punching a steel beam. No matter how fast your hand is traveling, you will not be able to break through it; you will eventually break your hand. It matters not if the beam is swung at your hand or you swing your hand at the beam; assuming the impact is at the same speed, the injury to your hand would be the same.

          The alleged 9/11 jetliners would not just have had to fly through glass windows as some people seem to imagine. On top of having to penetrate past the 1/4 inch thick steel beams, the alleged planes would have struck floors that contained at minimum 4 inches thick of concrete poured on 22-gauge fluted steel plates interwoven underneath with supporting steel trusses. There is simply no possible way that any part of an aluminum plane, especially not the wings, striking such a building could pierce edgewise through the barrier posed by the concrete floors and supporting fluted steel flooring and trusses.


          • Malcopian says:

            Thank you, Tim. I provided the video that showed the towers going up and just how thick they are. There is also evidence of nukes having been used. FE pointed out that there were explosions going off in the building, away from the first plane strike. They can be seen on film.

            There was all too much going on that seemed to break the known laws of physics. How a lot of it was done remains a mystery, and it was probably made deliberately that complex in order to puzzle the investigators and onlookers. I do not believe Bin Laden or Al-qaeda were capable of this. It must have involved high level, hi-tech jiggerypokery, involving elements of the US military-industrial complex, and even big business, and was a disgusting crime or series of crimes.

            Remember that the anthrax spores that were later sent out were traced to a US military lab.

            But Normal does not want to read the literature that points at MOSSAD involvement, or consider that the top Dubya people had mostly been involved in the oil and gas businesses at some point. It’s just too horrible to contemplate. And Normal always prefers to believe the official stories anyway. I bet Prime Minister Eden wished he had only to deal with people like Normal while planning his Suez plot. He would definitely have got away with it then, and Normal would have been grateful not to have had his fawning worship of the authorities disturbed.

          • alleged planes

            i like the sound of that…bit like ‘alleged cereal killer’ found standing over body with axe soaked in blood.

            Thanks for posting the link, reinforces my stash of BS that appears online
            I wouldn’t insult you by thinking you meant it other than in jest. Useful to have though.

            Online crazies are my sanity claus. Love ’em.

            Prob is–there will be many who believe it

            let me check the state of development of holograms in 2001–and i’ll get back to you.

            • Malcopian says:

              Normal wrote: “alleged planes”

              The best guess is that they can’t have been planes and could only have been missiles, in order to penetrate such buildings of thick steel. Tim has shown you that the physics does not work with planes – it’s impossible!

              And yes: holograms! Technology marches on, Normal. It’s not 1945 any more. Remember that top secret technology is generally kept secret for one or more decades before it is unveiled to the public.

              But I’m wasting my time. We really cannot expect an old dog to learn new tricks. 🙁

            • i assumed ‘alleged planes’ was a running joke.

              the thought that it might not be is terrifying for humankind, and the spreading infection of unlimited hysteria.

              I still hang on to the belief that it was said in jest

              But i am faced with ‘doctor’ wassname saying that hollow aluminium wings could not penetrate the building.

              why i should concern myself with bonkersness is beyond me. Though It does at least regularly update my personal sanity claus.

              Before morphing into a conspiratorium, OFW was a useful exchange of views and information.

          • Alex says:

            “Try punching a steel beam. No matter how fast your hand is traveling, you will not be able to break through it; you will eventually break your hand.”
            This is true, but irrelevant to the topic due to very low mass and very low speed of the hand when compared to the plane.

            “It matters not if the beam is swung at your hand or you swing your hand at the beam; assuming the impact is at the same speed, the injury to your hand would be the same.”
            False. Kinetic energy = (1/2) x mass x velocity^2. If the mass of the beam is N times larger than the mass of the hand, the kinetic energy of the beam at the same velocity will be N times larger too.

            The kinetic energy of one of the aircrafts is estimated to be 2.4×10^9 Ib ft (link below), which is equivalent to 0.77 tons TNT.
            https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GOVPUB-C13-6279f222e377ad1d41bc741934d2384c/pdf/GOVPUB-C13-6279f222e377ad1d41bc741934d2384c.pdf (page 371)

            A non-govt link below estimates the kinetic energy at 0.5 tons of TNT.

            • Tim Groves says:

              “Try punching a steel beam. No matter how fast your hand is traveling, you will not be able to break through it; you will eventually break your hand.”
              This is true…

              Thank you Alex.

              The math you quote appears to treat the jet plane as if it was a ball of aluminum with the mass concentrated in a small volume, but in reality the mass of a plane is spread out across tens of meters of space, the volume of the plane is mostly air and thin aluminum sheet metal is much more crumpleable than steel beams and concrete floors are. So a lot of that kinetic energy would have gone into crumpling the plane—as anyone with just a little more than average intelligence should be able to comprehend now that I’ve been so kind as to point it out to them.

              Norman has, predictably and as he invariably does, gone off topic.

              General question. How fast would an empty beer can have to be traveling in order to to pass through a solid stainless steel bat leaving a beer can-sized hole?

              I’ll wager it’s a lot faster than a speeding bullet.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              norm is busy booking jab 4… because they are working so well https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=249

          • Alex says:

            Tim, you’re right that the damage depends on the impact area. But kinetic energy depends only on mass and velocity. Those 0.5+ tons of TNT equivalent have to go somewhere.

            Planes are made of aircraft-grade aluminium alloys. Quick general info from Wikipedia: “Aluminium alloys typically have an elastic modulus of about 70 GPa, which is about one-third of the elastic modulus of steel alloys.” So yes, alluminium alloys are more elastic than steel alloys, but not THAT much. Anyway, no one claims that the planes came from the collision undamaged.

            “How thin is the aluminum skin on a passenger aircraft? The short answer to your question is 1mm to 3mm, with most being 1mm to 2mm in thickness. I’m sure you can imagine that if there was only the aluminium and nothing else, such aircraft would crash on takeoff every time, and might not even make it into the air. Come to think of it, the engines of such an aircraft would be lying on the ground as soon as you tried to attach them, because it is the other materials, like titanium that is machined to exact dimensions, and placed exactly in accordance with design diagrams within the wings and fuselage and other parts of the airframe around which aluminium and carbon fibre are fitted and attached that makes an aircraft strong, smooth, flexible and safe.”

            “Abstract: The problem of the airplane wing cutting through the exterior columns of the World Trade Center is treated analytically. The exterior columns are thin-walled box beam made of high strength steel. The complex structure of the airplane is lumped into another box, but it has been found that the equivalent thickness of the box is an order of magnitude larger than the column thickness. The problem can be then modeled as an impact of a rigid mass traveling with the velocity of 240 m/s into a hollow box-like vertical member. […] Therefore, the wing would easily cut through the outer column.”

            • Malcopian says:

              As Newton said, “For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.” As Dr. Judy Wood noted, a JET just could not slice right through a building like that one like butter, as it APPEARED to do. A missile, yes.

              Watch this video from the 12 minutes point to 13:24. You see one of the ‘planes’ penetrate one of the towers, and it’s just eerily unreal.


        • Tim Groves says:

          As for the second and third questions, determining what happened and who dun-nit would be something for an official investigation to determine. However, official investigations can only fulfill that function if they take place under the auspices of a state that is not irredeemably mired in lies and corruption. There aren’t many states fitting that description, and the United States certainly doesn’t.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Only a complete MOREON would believe this heap of dung the world has been fed.

    • Malcopian says:

      How did Dubya react on 9/11? Like a total incompetent. Whatever we think of him now, it was Mayor Giuliani of NY attracted great admiration on that day.

      That morning, after he’d been told about the first attack, Dubya sat reading “My pet goat”, live on TV, in front of some schoolchildren. He knew there were terrorists in the skies. He also knew that his location was being broadcast to the nation. He therefore put both himself and the schoolchildren at risk. It beggars belief.

      We still don’t really know who was behind 9/11. Webster Tarpley thinks it represented an internal coup. There were military exercises going on that day, so the military was badly confused by events. The perpetrators of 9/11 clearly knew in advance of those secret exercises. They clearly had inside knowledge, and lots of it. How? Who were they? The Sunday Times (a Murdoch publication) ran the “Angel is next!” story the weekend after 9/11. Gradually, the story was changed by the US government, and the Times dropped its investigative angle and went along with the official “story”. Why am I not surprised?

      Listen to Webster Tarpley’s devastating analysis of Bush’s behaviour on that morning:

      • Malcopian says:

        This is the film that got me onto the investigations of 9/11. I believe I didn’t watch it until 2008 or 2009. Only in 2010 did I decide to take much notice of the 9/11 c. s. p. c. y. parts, which I regarded at first as fanciful. To my astonishment, some of them checked out, and that same year I discovered the work of Dr. Judy Wood.

        So really I can’t blame Normal too much for not wishing to believe. It took me several viewings before I took the anomalies of 9/11 seriously. But in 2001, the US certainly knew about the ‘peak oil’ predictions. What did 3000 citizens matter when you were trying to secure the future and also destabilise the Middle East, in order to strengthen your major ally country of that region: Is rail?

        Oil, smoke and mirrors.

  42. Kurt says:

    My phone went dead. Had to get a new one. Kelvin at the apple store helped me out. A very bright guy. Loves his job. The first 6 hours hours without a phone was traumatic. Then I felt a great peacefulness set in. But I got my phone and now it’s BAU tonight baby!!!!! FE, Norm, David, mirror, Duncan… it’s all there again. Thank goodness.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      oh yeah wow yeah wooooooo!!!!!!!

      bAU pedal to the metal YOLO wooooooo!!!!!!!

      oh, did you forget a shoutout to Brandon?

      Let’s Go Brandon!

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Let’s go norman…

        Let’s go norman…

        But we know what they sayin’, though …

        You dementia suffers gots to stick together.

  43. Marco Bruciati says:

    Turkish lira 9.7 . Is All over

    • In early 2008, the Turkish lira was .85 to the US dollar. In other words, it was worth close to being worth a dollar. Now a chart shows it as being .10 to the US dollar, which would be like a dime. The 9.7 is the number of Turkish lira it now takes to exchange for one US dollar. It is not doing very well.

      • Tim Groves says:

        As of today, the Turkish lira is worth 10 cents. It’s sad for ordinary Turks, but very nice for expats in Istanbul living on foreign pensions or dollar investment dividends.

  44. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Fertilizer Rally Is Coming for the Grain That Feeds Half the World… Rice, the staple food for half of humanity, is set to become more expensive because of a blistering rally in fertilizer prices…

    ““A ton of fertilizer is now more expensive than a ton of rice,” said Pramote Charoensilp, president of the Thai Agriculturist Association, which represents rice farmers in the world’s third-biggest shipper.”


  45. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Talks over UniCredit rescue of Monte dei Paschi collapse. Italian government balks at high cost of recapitalising world’s oldest bank…

    ““It’s evident that the chances of a deal are now close to zero,” said another person involved in the negotiations.”


    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “ECB Seen Boosting QE Flexibility to Smooth Exit From Crisis Tool…

      “The European Central Bank will supercharge its regular bond-buying program before pandemic purchases run out in March, according to economists surveyed by Bloomberg.”


    • Defaulting debt is sure to become a big problem worldwide. Some governments will try to cover the problem with new more new debt.

      • houtskool says:

        Debt will not default in a major way. Dillution of the currency, in our debt based system, is the answer that is baked into the cake. Period. Until that ends too, of course. Good thing we have a escape pressure valve called crypto currencies to soak up the excess liquidity. Instead of housing or food. Money gone mad. The steering wheel of your bycicle ain’t what it used to be, dear Gail. We, in the Netherlands, are still looking for bycicles the Germans stole from us in WW2. Today, the Dutch fill up their cars at German gaspumps, for those living near the border, cheaper, less taxes. Another 843.000 gallons and we’re even.

        The first thing that fails is the currency. We are very close. .Gov is working hard to become a tyrranical monster as the last resort. Before they become non-representative 2.0 they will try to pull a boatload of tricks. Do we see them? Of course. Do we understand them? Mostly. Can we anticipate? Hardly.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          The reason cryptos exist is to offer upward mobility for the masses… when there is no other way out of the grind…

          Think of them as a lottery … except there are thousands upon thousands of winners.

        • I think you might be right. The debt doesn’t fail. What fails is the willingness of other countries to accept the greatly inflated currency. Also, the supply chains fall apart. There really aren’t goods to deliver.

  46. Harry McGibbs says:

    “[UK] Households are being warned of a “Christmas crisis” in bin collections as drivers quit their jobs for better pay working for supermarkets and food hauliers.

    “Bin lorry drivers are being offered pay deals worth as much as £40,000 a year to switch to jobs in the food industry.”


    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “‘They’re leaving in droves’: UK faces bus driver shortage as HGV industry offers better pay.

      “Some companies have been forced to cancel services because not enough bus drivers are available.”


      • Harry McGibbs says:

        ‘We’ve been hammered’: on the breadline in Burnley.

        “First the pandemic, now the universal credit cut is taking a toll and there is scepticism about ‘levelling up’.”


        • Harry McGibbs says:

          “The quiet crisis on some of the most deprived streets in Wales as energy bills rise, benefits are cut and food expenses loom.

          “We spoke to residents in Llanedeyrn – parts of which are among the top 10% most deprived areas of Wales – about the biggest challenges they’re facing right now.”


          • Fast Eddy says:

            “I thought, well I’ve got to cut back. I’ve got a little electric fire and if it happens to be cold, I put it on. I can’t put the gas on, because that’s running like a lunatic, can’t put the electric on because I’ve got a washing machine, a fridge, a freezer.”

            She’s particularly worried for the winter months, as she’s got Raynaud’s disease and so feels the cold more acutely.

            “I’ve got an electric blanket which I wait until it’s really cold to put on. Now I’m thinking, can I afford to use that now? Can I afford to leave my little electric fire on in front of me for an hour? I think it’s wrong that I’ve got to sit in my house and think these things to myself.”

            It’s time to think about Fentanyl…. just a couple of tabs can end it

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          Those ‘red brick’ constituencies in the north of England really fell for the Tories’ ‘levelling up’ rhetoric. It helped to get the Tories back into power and to get a hard Brexit through.

          There have been zero efforts at ‘levelling up’ the wealth of the regions in Britain. And Boris’ full on bonkers ‘green’ drive’ is going to leave everyone, especially the poorer regions, much worse off.

          The regions got completely ‘conned’ by the Con-servative party. They should have known better.

          Investment in Britain has been concentrated around London and the SE for generations, to provide an optimised return. The conventional wisdom has long been that it is far too late to ‘level up’ the regions. 9 of the 10 poorest regions in northern Europe lie in the UK.

          The matter became topical over the past few years because those regions left behind include Scotland, Wales and NI – all of which are showing increased momentum to split from Westminster and to take their development in to their own hands.

          The north of England ‘red bricks’ were the only regions that fell for the Tory rhetoric and ‘promises’. Polls suggest that they are now disillusioned – it has not yet been polled whether they feel embarrassed at themselves for falling for it so stunningly.

          The Labour party is the main obstacle to the north of England going independent, because of its designs on power over the whole of Britain. They historically rely on poorer regions to win general elections.

          The north would need to develop a new independence party like SNP in Scotland – which shows that it can be done. The first step might well be to get devolution and a regional parliament in the north.

          • Minority of One says:

            SNP in Scotland? (SNP = Scottish National Party, they run the Scottish govt)

            They are still pushing the vaxx like crazy (over 90% double-vaxxed for adults in Scotland), insist on face masks anywhere public indoors, and have implemented an internal passport for the vaxxed-only.

            Plus their criminal shenanigans to get rid of Alex Salmond (he managed to avoid jail where Nicola Sturgeon and her cronies tried to put him, but his political career is ruined). Unfortunately, Craig Murray did not avoid jail, for reporting accurately and honestly on the Alex Salmond trial, just about the only person that did.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              One can always make a list about any party/ government. No one concludes that no countries should be independent as a consequence.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              Westminster has all sort of dodgy policies – maybe it should be run by the EU. EU has loads of them, maybe it should run by USA. USA has all sorts, maybe the entire world should be governed by China. China has massive issues, maybe the world should have no governments – they all have issues! Anarchy now!

              That is where that line of reasoning ends.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              Dialectic has its moments. Nietzsche dismisses it as a subversive tool and frankly bad manners – a sign of decadence!

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              Then again, he sees the use of ‘reason’, generally, in constitutional debate as a sign of a ‘decadence’ – a healthy people follows its instincts, and ‘debate’ and ‘criticism’ imply that they have already weakened.

              Thus it is quite ‘appropriate’ to employ dialectic for ‘separatist’ causes. Classical Greece was already in decline and turmoil by the time of Plato, and hence the vulgarity of ‘method’. Dialectic is downright ‘common’.

              Then again, ‘reason’ may have the contrary ‘symptomatology’ – as a sign of renewed vigour, for an improved state, or at least of someone else’s ‘vigour’. ‘All reason is will to power – apart from when it is someone else’s.’ A double-edged sword.

            • Kowalainen says:


              Reason within what? The whims, trials and tribulations of the rapacious primate perhaps?

              Now I’m just unreasonable. Here’s a better idea:

              MOAR! BAu!1!1!1! W007!!!!1!1!1!


      • There seem to be problems everywhere finding people willing to work.

    • Rodster says:

      The Covid sham, the gift that keeps on giving. Shortages of all kinds will have a far more reaching effect than the Covid virus itself. Food shortages are now a reality and as others have been warning, “now is the time to stock up”. We have governments from around the world who have become criminal organizations. In Australia and NZ, the manufactured hysteria is off the charts with AUS and NZ imposing military style lockdowns. This is why governments from around the world want to disarm their citizens.

      The US 2nd Amendment was created for this very same thing. It was precisely designed for its people to protect themselves from their own government, beyond brilliant. That’s exactly what we have today.

      In the US, hundreds and hundreds of workers including members of the labor union in several manufacturing plants have quit their GE jobs in protest over vaccine mandates. Let’s hope this is just the start because if it keeps going you will start to see civil unrest in many parts of the US.

      Thankfully, my Florida Governor has a huge pair of balls and has called out this scam-demic. It’s one of the few States in the US where businesses are thriving, people are moving here to get away from the tyrannical BS.

      I came across an article today where it blasted Gov Rick Desantis for the KILLING of 58,000 people. Hold on a minute, 58,000 divided into 22.8 million and growing is what percentage? It’s basically 0.002%, that’s right a “Nothing Burger”. How many of those 58,000 were perhaps included in the Covid death tolls who may have died 14 days after taking “The Jab” and were counted as dying from Covid and not “The Jab”? We won’t know because the whole thing is a giant scam and Big Pharma are the big, big winners. Raking in hundreds of billions of dollars and if this keeps up, they will possibly hit a trillion dollars a year in possibly 5-10 yrs.

  47. Harry McGibbs says:

    Controversial from the Rio Times: “This crisis is planned; this crisis is an object of desire; and you have no choice – fiction or not?

    “Why are measures being taken around the world that are creating one disaster after another and dragging the majority of people deeper and deeper into the abyss, instead of getting them out of their misery?

    “The answer …is clear. The biggest profiteer of the current crisis and the main mastermind behind the scenes is the digital-financial complex.”


    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “As heavy as an elephant: anxiety and loss of life expectancy in young Brazilians…

      “Financial collapse also took part in Brazil during the COVID-19 pandemic, causing countless families to go through precarious situations and leading young people, pressured by this new reality, to drop out of higher education.”


      • Tim Groves says:

        For over forty years, this lyric never made much sense to me.
        Now, suddenly, in a flash of enlightenment, it does.

        He keeps his money under his mattress
        and his conscience in his pocket
        he heart runs on batteries
        he has two eyes to each socket

        Now here’s a thing, a very silly thing
        he say’s it’s easy easy to make a million
        yeah, here’s a thing, avery silly thing
        he say’s you steal from a broken Brazilian

    • jodytishmack says:

      Very interesting article. I wonder how much AI is used by IT and Finance companies to obtain the goals they are seeking. I saved this previous article about AI because it had some very clear warnings about this technology. https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2018/12/21/18126576/ai-artificial-intelligence-machine-learning-safety-alignment
      I don’t think companies who use AI actually control it, even though they believe they do. I fully expect many unexpected outcomes. The harder we try to exert total control the harder chaos works to undermine us. The pendulum always swings both ways. No force in the universe forever goes in one direction.

      • ssincoski says:

        You said: I don’t think companies who use AI actually control it, even though they believe they do.

        I think: they just turned it loose. What could go wrong? We can control it…

        • jodytishmack says:

          This will lead to many unintended consequences I’m sure.

          Some people, if they work hard to achieve it, may have agency in life…the capacity of individuals to think, act independently, and to make choices.” Unfortunately this leads some to the mistaken belief they have control over life. The accumulation of wealth or power often bring people to this mistaken mindset.
          And even for those people who have good intentions….we know where they can lead us as well.

      • AI cannot create energy

        AI cannot produce raw material


        AI cannot sell goods

        AI cannot buy goods

        You can (in theory) have a factory run entirely on AI, but unless humans buy what the factory produces, it will cease to function.

        It isn’t possible to have a society paid in digital wages, engaged solely in the purchase of AI produced goods. It will be purpose-less.

        AI cannot consume anything other than basic energy

        Above all, AI cannot produce food.

        AI is therefore a net energy sink.

        So AI cannot ‘run’ our commercial or social infrastructure. AI cannot reproduce itself in order to control/eliminate humankind. Despite the best efforts of that elusive ‘elite’.
        Stop watching repeats of Terminator.

        without commercial interaction, in a physical sense, cash cannot exist. (other than short term) It isn’t possible to create digital money (long term) and expect it to buy ‘real’ material, or support humankind.

        Right now we are perhaps in a dreamworld where we think it does.

        But I think reality is catching up with us.

        • Sam says:

          Do you think the plan is to create new currency similar Breton woods? Or something else I am hearing murmur of this. They did change account methods of mark to market

          • ‘ new currencies’ are an irrelevance.

            if the energy isn’t there (in the economic system that is) to back up the currency, it might as well be printed on rolls and hung in public rest rooms

            just tear off what you need when you need it.

      • This is one section of the article:

        An AI playing the Atari exploration game Montezuma’s Revenge found a bug that let it force a key in the game to reappear, thereby allowing it to earn a higher score by exploiting the glitch. An AI playing a different game realized it could get more points by falsely inserting its name as the owner of high-value items.

        Sometimes, the researchers didn’t even know how their AI system cheated: “the agent discovers an in-game bug. … For a reason unknown to us, the game does not advance to the second round but the platforms start to blink and the agent quickly gains a huge amount of points (close to 1 million for our episode time limit).”

        What these examples make clear is that in any system that might have bugs or unintended behavior or behavior humans don’t fully understand, a sufficiently powerful AI system might act unpredictably — pursuing its goals through an avenue that isn’t the one we expected.

        I don’t think anything comparable to this could happen to the world as a whole. For one thing, electricity is one of things that could fairly easily be shut off, if things start going wrong. The AI computer will stop, if electricity falls too low. AI cannot solve the depletion and high population problems that the world has.

        • Xabier says:

          The grandiose and largely deluded expectations which are entertained these days about AI are merely an unimaginative projection of the 19th-century delusion that scientifically applied intellect would solve all problems and create an age of abundance and never-ending Progress.

          Our planet and universe have quite other ideas about this…….

        • jodytishmack says:

          Perhaps I’ve read too many science fiction books. Yes, the computers need energy but it’s likely that an AI system can get around firewalls and take control of systems such as…access to the electric grid, which would enable the AI system to send energy where it needed it. They are not likely to achieve a sense of self (as humans do), but they could develop a self preservation.
          The problem is that AI doesn’t ‘think’ or act the way the human programmers expect. It comes up with solutions that we can’t predict and may find objectionable. We really don’t know what this technology will be capable of doing.

          • Kowalainen says:

            Isn’t that the point of AI? To find (unexpected) solutions to intractable problems for human minds?

            My view is that AI’s are the natural successors of mankind. Some people find it dystopian. I find it completely logical. Why you might wonder?

            1. Death is inevitable
            2. Extinction is inevitable
            3. Evolution just is

            Only self entitled rapacious primate princess MOARon sanctimonious hypocrites worry about the inevitable.

            If you find that appalling; well, hand back all your tech gizmos, gadgets and prepare yourself for life as a subsistence farmer. Your choices are:

            1. You got none
            2. See 1.


            (Game over man, game over)


            • intelligence is an abstract concept.

              bees have ‘intelligence’

              birds have ‘intelligence’

              fish have ‘intelligence’

              and so do we.

              but intelligence cannot exist until it has ‘purpose’. It cannot exist outside the mind of the creature that contains it.

              This is why AI cannot ‘exist’. —–because outside the scope of human purpose, it would have no purpose of its own. Humankind is the only species to have developed ‘AI”. No other creature needs it. Without us, AI will cease to be.

              the term ‘AI’s’ imagines artificial intelligence having ’embodiment’. There can be no ’embodiment’ to an abstract concept.

              Trust me, we are not going to be stalked by robots trying to kill us off.

              We are doing that pretty well on our own.

              When we’ve gone, the birds bees and fish will get on with their lives very well I should imagine. They certainly did before we arrived.

            • Kowalainen says:

              You are confusing goals with purposes. Clearly most machines have a purpose. To serve mankind. But that is entirely arbitrary.

              I see no ‘purpose’ in my existence, beside carrying the evolutionary process of which I have opted myself out of by the choice of not having offspring.

              Humanoid chauvinism much?

    • Rodster says:

      Govt’s will soon control your every movement and that’s why they want to eliminate cash and move to “digital trash”. If you don’t believe the manufactured Scam-demic and don’t wish to abide by their rules. TPTB can cutoff all access to your funds. You oppose your government and want your freedom back? Good luck getting your Debit Card to work at checkout. You say you like eating lots of beef, drink beer, eat pizza, or drink lots of soda? They can cut you off from that as well.

      That is George Orwell’s wet dream for the future. That’s where these criminal governments want to take the rest of the world. About 10yrs ago, many in the alternative media were warning us about this future and they were dismissed, ridiculed and called conspiracy theorists. Now it is becoming a reality.

      • Dennis L. says:

        local currencies?

        Dennis L.

        • Replenish says:

          In addition to the labor credit system, local currencies and/or green stamp program supporting small business, the trades and volunteerism, I looked into a way to protect land from property tax confiscation by donating it to a 501(c)3 that would create a suppprt system for collapse. We can celebrate the end of fossil fuels by using permaculture to create resevoirs, natural filters and aquaponic gardens.. name that locale “Spent Fuel Ponds.”

    • Even if it was planned, I don’t think the the WEF and its affiliates could have succeeded with their plans if the world economy were not already in terrible shape. Oil and other energy prices had been way too low for too long. Producers were going out of business. Governments and businesses were happy to close up shop for a short time.

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