Ramping Up Renewables Can’t Provide Enough Heat Energy in Winter

We usually don’t think about the wonderful service fossil fuels provide in terms of being a store of heat energy for winter, the time when there is a greater need for heat energy. Figure 1 shows dramatically how, in the US, the residential usage of heating fuels spikes during the winter months.

Figure 1. US residential use of energy, based on EIA data. The category “Natural Gas, etc.” includes all fuels bought directly by households and burned. This is primarily natural gas, but also includes small amounts of propane and diesel burned as heating oil. Wood chips or other commercial wood purchased to be burned is also in this category.

Solar energy is most abundantly available in the May-June-July period, making it a poor candidate for fixing the problem of the need for winter heat.

Figure 2. California solar electricity production by month through June 30, 2022, based on EIA data. Amounts are for utility scale and small scale solar combined.

In some ways, the lack of availability of fuels for winter is a canary in the coal mine regarding future energy shortages. People have been concerned about oil shortages, but winter fuel shortages are, in many ways, just as bad. They can result in people “freezing in the dark.”

In this post, I will look at some of the issues involved.

[1] Batteries are suitable for fine-tuning the precise time during a 24-hour period solar electricity is used. They cannot be scaled up to store solar energy from summer to winter.

In today’s world, batteries can be used to delay the use of solar electricity for at most a few hours. In exceptional situations, perhaps the holding period can be increased to a few days.

California is known both for its high level of battery storage and its high level of renewables. These renewables include both solar and wind energy, plus smaller amounts of electricity generated in geothermal plants and electricity generated by burning biomass. The problem encountered is that the electricity generated by solar panels tends to start and end too early in the day, relative to when citizens want to use this electricity. After citizens return home after work, they would like to cook their dinners and use their air conditioning, leading to considerable demand after the sun sets.

Figure 3. Illustration by Inside Climate News showing the combination of resources utilized during July 9, 2022, which was a day of peak electricity consumption. Imports refer to electricity purchased from outside the State of California.

Figure 3 illustrates how batteries in combination with hydroelectric generation (hydro) are used to save electricity generation from early in the day for use in the evening hours. While battery use is suitable for fine tuning exactly when, during a 24-hour period, solar energy will be used, the quantity of batteries cannot be ramped up sufficiently to save electricity from summer to winter. The world would run out of battery-making materials, if nothing else.

[2] Ramping up hydro is not a solution to our problem of inadequate energy for heat in winter.

One problem is that, in long-industrialized economies, hydro capabilities were built out years ago.

Figure 4. Annual hydro generation based on data of BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy.

It is difficult to believe that much more buildout is available in these countries.

Another issue is that hydro tends to be quite variable from year to year, even over an area as large as the United States, as shown in Figure 4 above. When the variability is viewed over a smaller area, the year-to-year variability is even higher, as illustrated in Figure 5 below.

Figure 5. Monthly California hydroelectric generation through June 30, 2022, based on EIA data.

The pattern shown reflects peak generation in the spring, when the ice pack is melting. Low generation generally occurs during the winter, when the ice pack is frozen. Thus, hydro tends not be helpful for raising winter energy supplies. A similar pattern tends to happen in other temperate areas.

A third issue is that variability in hydro supply is already causing problems. Norway has recently reported that it may need to limit hydro exports in coming months because water reservoirs are low. Norway’s exports of electricity are used to help balance Europe’s wind and solar electricity. Thus, this issue may lead to yet another energy problem for Europe.

As another example, China reports a severe power crunch in its Sichuan Province, related to low rainfall and high temperatures. Fossil fuel generation is not available to fill the gap.

[3] Wind energy is not a greatly better than hydro and solar, in terms of variability and poor timing of supply.

For example, Europe experienced a power crunch in the third quarter of 2021 related to weak winds. Europe’s largest wind producers (Britain, Germany and France) produced only 14% of their rated capacity during this period, compared with an average of 20% to 26% in previous years. No one had planned for this kind of three-month shortfall.

In 2021, China experienced dry, windless weather, resulting in both its generation from wind and hydro being low. The country found it needed to use rolling blackouts to deal with the situation. This led to traffic lights failing and many families needing to eat candle-lit dinners.

Even viewed on a nationwide basis, US wind generation varies considerably from month to month.

Figure 6. Total US wind electricity generation through June 20, 2022, based on EIA data.

US total wind electricity generation tends to be highest in April or May. This can cause oversupply issues because hydro generation tends to be high about the same time. The demand for electricity tends to be low because of generally mild weather. The result is that even at today’s renewable levels, a wet, windy spring can lead to a situation in which the combination of hydro and wind electricity supply exceeds total local demand for electricity.

[4] As more wind and solar are added to the grid, the challenges and costs become increasingly great.

There are a huge number of technical problems associated with trying to add a large amount of wind and solar energy to the grid. Some of them are outlined in Figure 7.

Figure 7. Introductory slide from a presentation by power engineers shown in this YouTube Video.

One of the issues is torque distortion, especially related to wind energy.

Figure 8. Slide describing torque distortion issues from the same presentation to power engineers as Figure 7. YouTube Video.

There are also many other issues, including some outlined on this Drax website. Wind and solar provide no “inertia” to the system. This makes me wonder whether the grid could even function without a substantial amount of fossil fuel or nuclear generation providing sufficient inertia.

Furthermore, wind and solar tend to make voltage fluctuate, necessitating systems to absorb and discharge something called “reactive power.”

[5] The word “sustainable” has created unrealistic expectations with respect to intermittent wind and solar electricity.

A person in the wind turbine repair industry once told me, “Wind turbines run on a steady supply of replacement parts.” Individual parts may be made to last 20-years, or even longer, but there are so many parts that some are likely to need replacement long before that time. An article in Windpower Engineering says, “Turbine gearboxes are typically given a design life of 20 years, but few make it past the 10-year mark.”

There is also the problem of wind damage, especially in the case of a severe storm.

Figure 9. Hurricane-damaged solar panels in Puerto Rico. Source.

Furthermore, the operational lives for fossil fuel and nuclear generating plants are typically much longer than those for wind and solar. In the US, some nuclear plants have licenses to operate for 60 years. Efforts are underway to extend some licenses to 80 years.

With the short life spans for wind and solar, constant rebuilding of wind turbines and solar generation is necessary, using fossil fuels. Between the rebuilding issue and the need for fossil fuels to maintain the electric grid, the output of wind turbines and solar panels cannot be expected to last any longer than fossil fuel supply.

[6] Energy modeling has led to unrealistic expectations for wind and solar.

Energy models don’t take into account all of the many adjustments to the transmission system that are needed to support wind and solar, and the resulting added costs. Besides the direct cost of the extra transmission required, there is an ongoing need to inspect parts for signs of wear. Brush around the transmission lines also needs to be cut back. If adequate maintenance is not performed, transmission lines can cause fires. Burying transmission lines is sometimes an option, but doing so is expensive, both in energy use and cost.

Energy models also don’t take into account the way wind turbines and solar panels perform in “real life.” In particular, most researchers miss the point that electricity from solar panels cannot be expected to be very helpful for meeting our need for heat energy in winter. If we want to add more summer air conditioning, solar panels can “sort of” support this effort, especially if batteries are also added to help fine tune when, during the 24-hour day, the solar electricity will be utilized. Unfortunately, we don’t have any realistic way of saving the output of solar panels from summer to winter.

It seems to me that supporting air conditioning is a rather frivolous use for what seems to be a dwindling quantity of available energy supply. In my opinion, our first two priorities should be adequate food supply and preventing freezing in the dark in winter. Solar, especially, does nothing for these issues. Wind can be used to pump water for crops and animals. In fact, an ordinary windmill, built 100 years ago, can also be used to provide this type of service.

Because of the intermittency issue, especially the “summer to winter” intermittency issue, wind and solar are not truly replacements for electricity produced by fossil fuels or nuclear. The problem is that most of the current system needs to remain in place, in addition to the renewable energy system. When researchers make cost comparisons, they should be comparing the cost of the intermittent energy, including necessary batteries and grid enhancements with the cost of the fuel saved by operating these devices.

[7] Competitive pricing plans that enable the growth of wind and solar electricity are part of what is pushing a number of areas in the world toward a “freezing-in-the-dark” problem.

In the early days of electricity production, “utility pricing” was generally used. With this approach, vertical integration of electricity supply was encouraged. A utility would make long term contracts with a number of providers and would set prices for customers based on the expected long-term cost of electricity production and distribution. The utility would make certain that transmission lines were properly repaired and would add new generation as needed.

Energy prices of all kinds spiked in the late 1970s. Not long afterward, in an attempt to prevent high electricity prices from causing inflation, a shift in pricing arrangements started taking place. More competition was encouraged, with the new approach called competitive pricing. Vertically integrated groups were broken up. Wholesale electricity prices started varying by time of day, based on which providers were willing to sell their production at the lowest price, for that particular time period. This approach encouraged providers to neglect maintaining their power lines and stop adding more storage capacity. Any kind of overhead expense was discouraged.

In fact, under this arrangement, wind and solar were also given the privilege of “going first.” If too much energy in total was produced, negative rates could result for other providers. This approach was especially harmful for nuclear energy. Nuclear power plants found that their overall price structure was too low. They sometimes closed because of inadequate profitability. New investments in nuclear energy were discouraged, as was proper maintenance. This effect has been especially noticeable in Europe.

Figure 10. Nuclear, wind and solar electricity generated in Europe, based on data of BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy.

The result is that about a third of the gain from wind and solar energy has been offset by the decline in nuclear electricity generation. Of course, nuclear is another low-carbon form of electricity. It is a great deal more reliable than wind or solar. It can even help prevent freezing in the dark because it is likely to be available in winter, when more electricity for heating is likely to be needed.

Another issue is that competitive pricing discouraged the building of adequate storage facilities for natural gas. Also, it tended to discourage purchasing natural gas under long term contracts. The thinking went, “Rather than building storage, why not wait until the natural gas is needed, and then purchase it at the market rate?”

Unfortunately, producing natural gas requires long-term investments. Companies producing natural gas operate wells that produce approximately equal amounts year-round. The same pattern of high winter-consumption of natural gas tends to occur almost simultaneously in many Northern Hemisphere areas with cold winters. If the system is going to work, customers need to be purchasing natural gas, year-round, and stowing it away for winter.

Natural gas production has been falling in Europe, as has coal production (not shown), necessitating more imports of replacement fuel, often natural gas.

Figure 11. Natural gas production in Europe, based on data of BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy.

With competitive rating and LNG ships seeming to sell natural gas on an “as needed” basis, there has been a tendency in Europe to overlook the need for long term contracts and additional storage to go with rising natural gas imports. Now, Europe is starting to discover the folly of this approach. Solar is close to worthless for providing electricity in winter; wind cannot be relied upon. It doesn’t ramp up nearly quickly enough, in any reasonable timeframe. The danger is that countries will risk having their citizens freeze in the dark because of inadequate natural gas import availability.

[8] The world is a very long way from producing enough wind and solar to solve its energy problems, especially its need for heat in winter.

The energy supply that the world uses includes much more than electricity. It contains oil and fuels burned directly, such as natural gas. The percentage share of this total energy supply that wind and solar output provides depends on how it is counted. The International Energy Agency treats wind and solar as if they only replace fuel, rather than replacing dispatchable electricity.

Figure 12 Wind and solar generation for a category called “Wind, Solar, etc.” by the IEA. Amounts are for 2020 for Germany, the UK, Australia, Norway, the United States, and Japan. For other groups shown in this chart, the amounts are calculated using 2019 data.

On this basis, the share of total energy provided by the Wind and Solar category is very low, only 2.2% for the world as a whole. Germany comes out highest of the groups analyzed, but even it is replacing only 6.0% of its total energy consumed. It is difficult to imagine how the land and water around Germany could tolerate wind turbines and solar panels being ramped up sufficiently to cover such a shortfall. Other parts of the world are even farther from replacing current energy supplies with wind and solar.

Clearly, we cannot expect wind and solar to ever be ramped up to meet our energy needs, even in combination with hydro.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,845 Responses to Ramping Up Renewables Can’t Provide Enough Heat Energy in Winter

  1. Fast Eddy says:

    “If Lula Wins It’s Fraud!”: Brazilians Are Fired Up Over Their 2022 Election

    “We will not accept it! There is no army that can stop us!!”

    https://rumble.com/v1mhy9g–if-lula-wins-its-fraud-brazilians-are-fired-up-over-their-2022-election.html

    He’s an actor .. get over it

  2. Fast Eddy says:

    U.N. Calls On Fed, Other Central Banks to Halt Interest-Rate Increases

    “The Federal Reserve and other central banks risk pushing the global economy into recession followed by prolonged stagnation if they keep raising interest rates, a United Nations agency said Monday.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-n-calls-on-fed-other-central-banks-to-halt-interest-rate-increases-11664809202

    See UK for more… F789ed either way… just more rapidly if the rates stay high

    • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
      Gail Tverberg says:

      I don’t know if it is a co-incidence or not, but about the same time this came out, the US dollar began to drop relative to other currencies, and the US stock market started to shoot up (again today, as well). It was taken as a sign that perhaps the big increases in interest rates might stop.

  3. Fast Eddy says:

    Goldman Sachs Exec Touts $3.8 TRILLION Investment in Renewables for 1% Reduction in Fossil Fuels 🤣

    “At the end of last year, overall fossil fuels represented 81% of energy consumption. 10 years ago, they were at 82%,” says Jeff Currie. “$3.8 trillion of investment in renewables moved fossil fuels from 82% to 81% of the overall energy consumption.”

    https://rumble.com/v1mh7zu-goldman-sachs-exec-touts-3.8-trillion-investment-in-renewables-for-1-reduct.html

    Do the math on getting to all renewables… lots and lots of zeros hahaha

    • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
      Gail Tverberg says:

      It is difficult to get anywhere with renewables. For one thing, they tend to drive out nuclear, with the goofy pricing scheme that they need.

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    Read ‘em and Weep: as WarRoom warned the value of your home is imploding in front of your eyes —America thank Biden Regime

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-home-prices-now-posting-040100770.html

    Biggest drop since… 2009…

    Q4 Boom?

  5. Jan says:

    This guy says a study showed that only 4% of the university students of mathmatics in the USA could solve the following problem:

    https://youtu.be/qvg0OeyXEaA

    Then, I have seen this video

    https://youtube.com/shorts/nvWQrVT7E3U

    and now I wonder if he might be right?

    • Jan says:

      In relation to the topic of this blog: You don’t expect any help from these people, do you?

      • Withnail says:

        Mathematics is like writing. It’s of no use in a society that doesn’t have surpluses.

        The future will belong to those most effective at cracking skulls, not equations.

  6. Fast Eddy says:

    Don’t panic: Credit Suisse is not the next Lehman Brothers

    Junior bankers and traders who are either already at Credit Suisse or who hold offers to join Credit Suisse next year can come out of their safe spaces. Contrary to reports this weekend, the bank is unlikely to be going under. So say some of the most knowledgeable figures in the industry, many of whom actually did witness several banks going under in 2008.

    Where did the rumour of Credit Suisse’s imminent demise come from? Twitter appears to hold the smoking gun. People like Spencer Jakab of the Wall Street Journal’s Head on the Street column, and various pundits have been putting out Tweets like those below, following last Friday’s memo from the (latest) Credit Suisse CEO, Ulrich Koerner, informing staff that the “day-to-day stock price performance” of the bank should not be confused with its “strong

    https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/2022/10/credit-suisse-the-next-lehman

    https://youtu.be/gUkbdjetlY8

  7. Fast Eddy says:

    So masks are no longer required in NZ – shouldn’t the covid cases go through the roof?

    But this question does not occur to the zombies… and if they bring back the masks .. it will not occur to them to ask WTF.

    They can’t they are programmed by the MSM.

    • Lastcall says:

      Same people doing the damage. Inadequacies vented via violence.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        True – the MOREONS are so f789ing stooopid that if they don’t smash a car into a shop and pillage the innards… or stab or beat someone to death — their heads will explode…

        Unfortunately there are a lot of them…

        • qdlwkkfjb
          Wet My Beak says:

          sad new zealand is full of these neanderthals. Anyone who grew up in this backward sh*thole of a country experienced similar events. Nothing is unusual or exceptional in this video.

          It clearly shows a fat black attacking a relatively small white. How’s that diversity working for you now ladies?

          My hope is that Russia and the US will use new zealand to demonstrate the horrific effects of nuclear war by detonating warheads throughout that sad bestial land.

          In doing so they could save the actual humans on the planet from a holocaust. The cost would be only a few worthless lives of savages.

          • So what you are saying Our Edwin has chosen to live amongst “worthless savages” and is a backward sh#tole”.
            That’s too 😞 bad..it makes me sad.

          • Lastcall says:

            More bang for buck in Asia. Garbage bin of planet.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            I used to think NZers were a fine nation of people when I encountered them overseas.

            But having lived here for 8 years I am now of the opinion that most of the quality people leave the country — leaving behind for the most part gang members, meth heads and a wide range of MOREONS

            The fact that Ardern is the PM is a symptom of how f789ed up this place is…

            She gives the 1984 Speech at the UN … and the MOREONS here nod their heads – Yes Auntie J’ASSinda… free speech is dangerous – must stop free speech – must jail anyone who disagrees.

            I reckon NZ has the lowest average IQ of any country in the world — the vast majority of capable people figure it out early and get the f789 out of dodge… a few stick around because they can make it big farming these MOREONS…. they accept that they have to live with these f789tards but it’s not so competitive making it easy to cash in…

  8. Fast Eddy says:

    Hoolio Update…

    After spending the entire morning lying in bed …he finally made an appearance… still limping on his injured leg… but it’s no longer bleeding so he’s on the way to recovery…

    He was outside a few minutes ago and trying to chase down to very small rabbits so he’s definitely on the mend… unfortunately the limp slowed him down and there was no kill.

    He is now resting

    https://i.postimg.cc/8P8qKyc1/Recovered.png

  9. ValleyForge says:

    Found this on the internet.

    I’m an industrial engineer at Moderna and the other one of us is a process development engineer. I’m sure the same thing is happening with Pfizer-BioNTech. It was hard to put things together based on the small quantities of additions happening in manual step (highly unorthodox for a continuous process production). The explanation we got was higly sensitive trade adjuvants being added. Digging in deeper showed how sensitive it actually was.

    Most people’s understanding of this novel vaccine type is that it works as follows:
    1. Make mRNA coding for S protein
    2. Make lipid nanoparticle delivery system
    3. Profit

    How it actually works from what we’ve uncovered:
    1. Make mRNA coding for S protein
    2. Make mRNA for mutant versons of CYP19A1 and CDKN1B is smaller amounts
    3. Make sure that while delivery system for (1) mostly ends up in liver, most of (2) ends up in the gonads
    4. Make sure form and quantity of additive upregulating LINE-1 reverse transcription activity makes it hard to detect among legit adjuvants
    5. Effects from (2) integrated by (4) are recessive; midly oncogenic effects in vaccine recipients unlikely to be noticed for many years
    6. (5) recessive but since most of population vaccinated, in next generation female offspring have premature ovarian failure

    (6) coincides with poor people being obsoleted by AI and robotics, so we didn’t have to dig for motivation

    • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
      Gail Tverberg says:

      This is disturbing, if true.

    • Student says:

      If true, it surely coincides with making the portion of the population that consumes more energy per capita, less reproductive

      • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
        Gail Tverberg says:

        Good point!

  10. here’s a potentially stooooopid question, for anyone but especially folks in the UK.

    for the many persons who heat with natural gas, does this type of heating system work even without electricity?

    gooogle says that there would be no heat if/when there are rolling blackouts.

    nyet?

    da?

    • T.Y. says:

      Im not from UK, but yes gas boilers use electronics and temperature sensor to steer the process. Fortunately i installed a modern woodstove last spring. Off course if om any judge of character all those who cant do that our don’t have the foresight will soon demand that these be Forbidden for climate reasons. Im hoping that there will be too many with woodstoves and/or awereness of what is about tot happen for that to take hold…..

    • CTG says:

      davidinabillionyears…. gas flows from the storage (if it is present) and directly to the house.. You mean you don’t know. It is just one continuous pipeline..

      What? you mean to tell me there are valves or some machinery controlled by computer that used electricity in the system. oh my….

    • Lastcall says:

      Many gas heating systems needed a pilot light in days gone by.
      New improved systems have an electric ignition.
      So need to spark up somehow.
      Use a small inverter off car battery, put a suicide cable (male both ends) into a wall socket, turn off mains connection to the grid.
      There is enough power to start gas fire, have a single light going.
      But not for long.
      Maybe longer if you have EV to pull power out of?

    • drb753
      drb753 says:

      Generally gas heaters work with forced air circulation. what forces the air is an electrically operated fan. There are also infrastructure turbines here and there to keep the pressure steady.

    • Withnail says:

      for the many persons who heat with natural gas, does this type of heating system work even without electricity?

      I can confirm it does not work without electricity. It uses quite a lot actually, I go through way more electricity in the winter when the gas heating is on.

      • Ravi Uppal says:

        Confirm withnail . In the Benelux we call them Kachels or kettles which is hooked into the electric system .
        Last call also correct . I read about the pilot light in “The Long Emergency ” and why if the grid went down the gas companies would have to send thousands service people to restart the kachels (kettles )

    • yorkiemark
      yorkiemark says:

      Hi
      I have a Gas Aga it does not require electricity. It heats the house and warms the emersion water tank, also you can dry all sorts on it and warm your arse. This 1975 model is indestructible!

    • banned says:

      They make small catalytic heaters for natural gas as well as propane that require no electricity and they are very useful. They are supposedly zero carbon monoxide because of the catalytic. I think the platinum is expended in a couple years just like on your cars catalytic converter and they are no longer zero emission. Its really not wise to breathe CO in any amount unless your trying to check out. Catalytic’s still require an air source or they will consume all the oxygen. Better are direct vent heaters. These are non catalytic and use a vent and air supply that you punch through a exterior wall. The exhaust is inside of the supply air tube and warms the cold air before combustion. Some models of these do not require electricity is their is a market for summer cabins. The better models that use forced air do require electricity.

      Using a catalytic for long term heating is not the best health practice as anyway you look at it you are breathing fumes even with the catalytic still tip top. If you follow the manufacturers directions you basically need a window opens and the gains can be zero. It beats freezing. The big advantage of passive solar is it requires no cold winter supply air to enter like a woodstove but humans (and doggys) still require oxygen introduced into the envelope. That doggy is good to provide heat at the end of the bed but consumes oxygen too! Air quality for those in cold climates is a underrated health concern especially for elderly. Supply air is important even without combustion but is critical with it. . We consume a lot of oxygen. Plants help but they steal your solar gain. Organisms use and compete for energy resouces.

      There are going to be problems with pipes freezing in Europe as people move to single room heating to survive.

      • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
        Gail Tverberg says:

        Isn’t there a danger of carbon monoxide poisoning with some of these heaters? Internet sources talks about “faulty heaters”?

        • banned says:

          Its a risk. They claim zero CO because of the catalytic coatings but a “mr Buddy” would set off a CO detector within 5 minutes when I tested one. But it stayed at the lowest warning in PPM. On the other hand Ive used them A LOT and Im still here.

          A direct vent heater because it exhasts outside the envelope is as safe as any other combustion heater. Any heater can malfunction most comonly because a filter that hasnt been changed. Without a doubt ALL combustion heated homes should have CO alarn/monitors.

          Gas cooking stoves exhaust straight into the envelope and code doesn’t even specify make up/supply air be provided! A little CO wont kill you. Hell there’s plenty just from vehicle exhaust. That doesn’t mean it should be treated cavalierly. I have a friend whose entire family was killed by a wood stove, As I mentioned any home that heats with combustion should have CO alarms/monitors. Coals is a big threat. The way it sits there without flame on very cold nights the cold air can wield more pressure than the heat of the exhaust and quietly and efficiently push the exhaust into the house in the wee hours. People asleep dont feel that they are ill from the CO and if there is no alarm/monitor…

  11. Fast Eddy says:

    Oh look – a zombie! A non-zombie would stop after one. A zombie … well a zombie has not logic.

    This case report concerns a 76 year old man with Parkinson’s disease who died three weeks after his booster jab. His first dose in May 2021 was AstraZeneca and the subsequent two in July and December 2021 were Pfizer.

    After his first jab, he experienced cardiovascular symptoms which needed medical care and from which he recovered only slowly. After the second dose, he had behavioural and psychological changes, as well as a sudden onset of marked progressions of his Parkinson’s symptoms.

    After his third dose he suddenly collapsed and fell off his chair without coughing or any signs of food aspiration. After intense resuscitation he recovered before a week later silently collapsing again.

    Death was recorded as aspiration pneumonia but due to ambiguous clinical signs before death, the family requested a post-mortem examination.

    The post-mortem confirmed his Parkinson’s and other conditions which had been suspected. However, after analysis of the brain, they uncovered previously unsuspected findings. These included acute vasculitis (inflammation of blood vessels) which were predominantly lymphocytic as well as multifocal necrotizing encephalitis (death of tissues and inflammation of the brain) of unknown cause with pronounced inflammation including glial and lymphocytic reaction.

    Not only that but there were signs of chronic cardiomyopathy in the heart, as well as myocarditis and vasculitis.

    https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/spike-protein-from-vaccination-found

  12. CTG says:

    If there is a graph of “brain size” vs time, we can plot the peak of human civilization. Have technology or gadgets does not mean we are advanced…

    • big brained Neanderthals might have been the peak.

      perhaps they were not savage enough to compete against h sapiens.

      • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
        Gail Tverberg says:

        They needed to keep track of a lot of details about food sources and trails, I expect. Perhaps the big brain helped in this regard.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        No doubt there was a very intense debate — the Neanders insisted that farming would be the death of all of us… the Homos disagreed… the Homos population grew cuz they farmed and they were eventually able to kill off all the Neanders.

    • drb753
      drb753 says:

      It is well known that brain size peaked about 50,000 years ago. Those were humans almost solely eating megafauna and its large animal fat content. They were also taller and stronger, with no tooth decay. As they started getting into smaller animals, like rabbits or fish, the brain size started a small decline. Substantial decline in the agricultural era obviously, since everyone is so malnourished.

      • CTG says:

        haha… so we have actually declined for the last 50,000 years…. not bad it lasted so long

      • ivanislav says:

        Someone here recently posted a video link on in which the narrator argues the Flynn effect is the recent environmentally-driven outcome improvements against a backdrop of falling potential. I think that’s likely.

        I’ve also wondered whether Neanderthals were smarter than us (larger brains), but I saw a recent scientific paper claiming a particular mutation that Neanderthals lacked was key to intelligence, so the jury is still out.

      • Christopher says:

        All animals undergoing domestication lose in brain size, body mass, jaw size and reactive aggression during the process. The brain size reduction does not seem to cause diminished intelligence, it’s more likely caused (among other things) by losing those parts of the brain that’s meant to process reactive aggression. Humans are self-domesticated (probably during several distinct periods), a lot of things seems to have happened in human evolution about 50 000 years ago. Leaving Africa, interbreeding with neanderthals. Culturally humans get distinctly more advanced at this time. Likely from increased creativity. The neanderthals may have been just as intelligent as modern humans but less creative.

        Modern day humans are extremely low in reactive aggression compared to any animal. Instead we are extremely capable of proactive aggression (planned, organised aggression), something beside humans only chimps are somewhat capable of. Reactive aggression is not useful anymore in modern societies, self domestication may now have peeked. 

        • Withnail says:

          All animals undergoing domestication lose in brain size, body mass, jaw size and reactive aggression during the process.

          Completely untrue, horses bred by humans are far larger than wild horses were.

          • ivanislav says:

            I’m guessing he’s analogizing dogs to all species.

          • Christopher says:

            Sorry, I was unclear. The initial effect of domestication tend to be smaller size. Large horses are a recent thing. Ancient domesticated horses wasn´t very large. Though, I’m not sure if they were smaller than their wild ancestors or not. The icelandic horse is a well preserved archaic horse:

      • Fast Eddy says:

        So we became stooopider as our brains increased in size…

        • Christopher says:

          Generally brain size and intelligence are tightly correllated. But sometimes you can get rid of areas of the brain that has become obsolete, for instance parts regulating reactive aggression, without affecting intelligence much. The primatologist Richard Wrangham has proposed this hypothesis. He could back it up fairly well.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            So you agree – the bigger the brain causes us to do more stooopid things like use fire … farm… and innovate so that we have an exponentially increasing population – on a finite planet.

            You get it! congratulations

  13. Fast Eddy says:

    https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc30e5ec-507b-4e27-83d1-900867c71530_1800x1000.png

    I dunno … but if I was a breeder and my kid came out with half a brain because of the safe and effective injection … and I knew the person above lied…

    And I knew the world was likely going Boom in Q4… I’d find out where she lives.. gotta any kids.. a husband… and I’d pay on my suffering…

    I am a firm believer in consequences…if there aren’t any … then people just keep doing the same shit over and over…

    Alas… I am no breeder… so this is all just hypothetical

  14. Fast Eddy says:

    121 Breastfed Infants Had “Issues” After Maternal Vaccination in Just ONE study!
    Pfizer and Moderna-paid Scientists Did not Even Look Into It

    https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/121-breastfed-infants-had-issues

  15. JMS says:

    Simon Shack, who I met an hour ago thanks to Tim, suddenly put a naïve, perhaps stupid question spinning in my head, and which I’d like more enlightened people can answer:
    if the earth acording wikipedia rotates on itself at a speed of 1666 km/h (666?) how come the clouds are standing still in front of us like cows in a blue meadow? Shouldn’t they pass at the speed of a stampede?

    • Bobby says:

      Not enlightened and n longer trying, but a good place to start would be to look at the Coriolis effect.

      The atmosphere is moving all the time, but works in layers. The principles of hydro fluid dynamics apply. Air acts as a fluid in gas form. You can see this when warm moisture filled air banks up; rising over mountains or coast lines to form cloud. The increased pressure and cooling drives this, much like a stone in a riverbed forces water up.

      Most of the atmosphere’s content is contained within the troposphere. The upper ceiling temperature of the troposphere functions like a boundary layer for water molecules, holding it closer to the planet.

      Water vapour convects within this system. Warm air rising, cooling, condensing forming cloud and moving toward the poles. Cool air moving underneath the warm air layers (gets squished) and originates from colder parts of the planet, like ice caps, mountain’s and cooler oceans, generally moving towards the equator, expanding and picking up moisture as it goes.
      We’re seeing all of these dynamics working in accelerated ways these days, Harry’s been keeping good track of that it seems.

      The day night cycle drives much of the daytime wind cycles, sea to land and back again and diurnal heating and cooling too. ☺️.
      The atmosphere is also much thicker at the equator, because of the grater heating effect and the spin of the planets rotation, surprising differences between the equator and the poles. The ocean is affected in similar ways too. If it were possible to reduce the earths spin, a significant amount of land towards the poles would be taken by the oceans adjusting. Great stuff for OFWs to ponder.

      I believe, the captain of the Beagle; (the ship that took Darwin to the Galapagos) Robert FitzRoy; back in the 1830’s; conceived the patterns of large weather systems, how they functioned and what they would look like from above. His drawings had an uncanny resemblance to today’s satellite images. He made the first forecasts in fact. He’d be a good guy to ask after, but he’s a bit dead; also to add, he may have committed the big S at some point. (Probably over a lass, it’s usually about a lass either that or money, maybe the stress for running New Zealand took it’s tool too) He could have used some of FE good stuff at right moment and he might have survived this and written more stuff, but at least he got to fly a Beagle, not everyone gets to do that.

      • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
        Gail Tverberg says:

        Interesting! I am sure that all of these dynamics make modeling difficult. Also, the addition of particulate matter, with more added in some parts of the world than other.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Oh, you mean the guy who directed September Clues? I think those documentaries influenced my take on nine-11, but its well over a decade since I saw them. But I guess my main influence was the Australian musician Gerard Holmgren, brother of ecologist David Holmgren, and a very logical and down to earth thinker. Gerard would never have pulled the sort of stunt Simon did. Gerard died in 2010 from “a very aggressive cancer.” Traces of his ideas are still haunting the web.

      https://911crashtest.org/essential-reading-gerard-holmgren/

      Simon Shack once pretended to shoot himself dead while doing an audio only interview with Jim Fetzer. Perhaps it was a cry for help. But I put him down as “mentally unstable” after that. Still, September Clues is very watchable, and it gives potential debunkers a lot of work.

      JMS, re. the clouds standing still instead of passing at the speed of a stampede. It’s a question related to inertia, or momentum. The Earth rotates on its axis once every 23 hours and 56 minutes relative to the Universe (or the stars) and once every 24 hours relative to the sun. This rotation subjects everything on the surface to an accelerating “centrifugal” force.

      The surface of the earth at the equator moves at a speed of 460 meters per second (roughly 1,000 miles per hour) and the planet’s rotation forces the surface to accelerate constantly by maintaining its velocity while changing its direction of movement. This movement is not perceptible because, unlike a spinning top or a spin dryer, which may rotate dozens or hundreds of times per second, generating a considerable torque in the process, the earth only rotates once every 24 hours, so the torque is not noticeable.

      The atmosphere moves with the earth because it is bound to the earth by the force of gravity. Even if any of the clouds above the equator preferred to keep moving in the same direction at the same velocity (momentum), the combination of the planet’s rotation plus its gravity and the friction between the atmosphere and the surface would force the clouds to accelerate along with the planet itself.

      If they didn’t do this, the clouds would rise into the sky and be left behind as the planet

      • Tim Groves says:

        … as the planet went on its way rotating on its axis.

        Professor Vandiver explains this a lot better than I can—probably because he actually knows what he’s talking about.

        https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/2-003sc-engineering-dynamics-fall-2011/resources/angular-momentum-of-a-particle-torque-as-the-time-rate-of-change-of-angular-momentum-and-the-appearance-of-the-coriolis-force/

        • Bobby says:

          Don’t panic, but The Earth is actually losing atmosphere all the time following it’s precession around the sun. Most folks on OFW would know about the transit of Venus, when that planet is seen to cross the limb of the sun, between Earth and Sol. What we see from Earth watching this event, is a round fuzz ball loosing vast quantities of atmosphere. Measuring the timings of the transit is how the astronomical unit was calculated and it mused the first pondering of long term planetary change, eventually leading to ideas about the greenhouse effect as well as the future of our own terrestrial existence. By the way the expanse of Venus’s atmosphere is much larger than Earths, it’s oceans or what remains are literally in it’s sky’s.

          If we lived on Mars; like most men apparently do, we would then also witness ‘Fuzz ball Earth’ doing the same thing, perhaps even at the same time. (I don’t mean living on Mars) At the end of the day Earth’s further distance, oceans and huge magnetic field protect and limit losses, but no system is perfect. So, in a way JMS is right to consider, the atmosphere is slowly being depleted or seeded into the Universe and sheared with the celestial realms. Kind of beautiful to visualise is it not?

          Hydrogen (molecular H2) is the one gas Earth’s likely loosing the most, because it’s the lightest one naturally; and quite happily covalent. So in the absence of an oxygen atom, any loss of hydrogen molecular is a loss of planetary water. (This is to be agonised over when we’re contemplating using hydrogen as a fuel). Increasing losses are more likely the higher the ratio of free hydrogen in the atmosphere.

          It’s ironic as always, but CO2 is not the molecule we should be most worried about in the atmosphere. We should want as much nitrogen as possible in the atmosphere and as little hydrogen as possible.

          There’s a lot of oxygen locked up in the Earth’s crust, but not that much hydrogen; apart from in water composition. Indeed water is the Earth’s grate resource, more precious to life than oil or any other forms of God’s shit (as it was referred to once) that fossil fuels come in. In fact the hourglass of the timings of life on Earths existence or viability should be better measured by looking closer at the thin vail that surrounds us all. There is a lot of stuff happening up there, in those there Sky’s. Select ‘SKY’, right click, and ‘Look Up’

      • Tim Groves says:

        By the way, don’t visit the original domain 911Closeup.com as this has been taken over by someone who is apparently using it as a phishing scam to grab email addresses!

        As Daffy Duck says, some people are just despicable.

    • JMS says:

      Thanks Bobby and Tim. I knew I shouldn’t ask questions whose answer I can’t fully assimilate. I expected something simpler and poetic, along the lines of, the clouds, son, glide on a rail glued with molasses to the celestial vault, and whenever the wind blows….
      Damn, why does reality always have to be so arid and depressing?

      • Bobby says:

        Our relationship with Reality is a flux of ironic, terrifying, painful, peaceful, beautiful, boring, exciting, wonderful and funny all at the same or in varying degrees and the best bit is thinking about it all kind of makes sense. Enjoy every moment and experience we are in someways our reality, our emotional thought is a big part of the reality we overlook, because we’re looking through it to see.

  16. CTG says:

    It just dawned upon me just a couple of minutes ago that Westerners who wants to be “aware” wants “proof of everything”. However, the world has many things/events that cannot be explained properly by science or cannot be proven conclusively. Try explaining the double-slit conundrum.

    Here in Asia, especially South East Asia, there are things/events that cannot be explained but accepted by the society. The Westerners who came here would just shrug and move on; “accepting” it but never really believing in it.

    Asians are submissive and believes in government, thus the high intake in jabs.
    Westerners are suppose to be more rebellious (more independent) but there seems to be a breakdown in this “feature” as the number of people who took the jabs are high.

    I am suppose to be a prime candidate for being a sheep. I have degrees in physics and microelectronics. I have an MBA as well. It is extremely hard for me to accept things without any proof since I am a science-based guy. However, the difference is that I don’t reject anything. I do my own research and come out with my own conclusions. Germ theory? Creationist ? Nope. Never rejected them even up till today. Anyone who rejects any theory outright, no matter how outlandish it is is not a science-based person. No different from those who straightaway accepted the “safe and effective”. Your “first idea” on something (i.e. dinosaurs) that you read or know it from your parents/teachers are the strongest in your mind and it is deemed correct and all others are false. That is why one works hard to dispel anything that goes against the “first idea”. What if the “first idea” is your parents telling you that vaccines are “safe and effective”?

    • Lastcall says:

      It has often been contended by anti-flouride campaigners that in addition to being a hazard to your physical well being, this compound is detrimental to your critical thinking abilities.
      I avoid municipal water supplies wherever possible, without going to the extreme of buying bottled water.

      It took me several years to regain full confidence in my intuition/critical thinking capabilities after 17 years in the Govt mandated mis-information system. Uni theory never ever added up match my experience of the real world unless you tied yourself to a very limited set of inputs.

      My real education began when I entered the real world and except for a short initial period have never drawn a wage, especially with the Gubbermint.
      Govt employees of any but a short duration are spectacularly valueless when it comes to initiative.

      Many never emerge from the fog of ‘Govt Truthiness’.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Nature in the early ’80’s published a report on effectiveness of fluoride. Basically correlation between fluoride dosage and decrease in tooth decay was positive was there, order was wrong.

        CDC for a number of years when I followed it was recommending decreased dosages of fl in water supplies.

        Tooth decay disappeared, no one really know why. Sugar?

        Dennis L

        • Lastcall says:

          Best book on teeth is Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, Weston Price IMHO.

          A dentist who did his research in the real world.

        • Withnail says:

          Teeth used to decay fast because the bread used to contain traces of the grinding stones used to grind the wheat which eroded teeth. And people ate mostly bread.

          Nowadays we dont use grinding stones or eat as much bread. Flouride is probably not significant either way.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Good points!

      When I was a little biddy baby, my mamma would rock me in the cradle.

      Back then, I literally knew nothing, but my mind was open to receive a flood of information that I used to build “my personal reality”. For the first seven, eight or nine years, so much was coming in and so much was being absorbed that I had no way to check whether it was true or false or accurate or honest.

      Indeed, I had no checking mechanisms in place at that young age. So, I simply accepted everything I saw and heard and was told as true. This was a default setting in my brain.

      It was only later, when my intellect and experience had developed further, that I began to spot little incongruities here and there. Such as that what my elder brother was saying today contradicted what he was saying yesterday. Or that Jesus fed five thousand people with five loaves of bread and two fishes and the portions were adequate.

      By the age of twelve, I had rejected religion much in the same way Richard Dawkins has made a career out of, and I had got my elder brother down as a thoroughly despicable character. My opinions on organized religion and my brother have mellowed over the years, but I’ve never fundamentally changed them. Instead, I’ve added more and more rejections of more and more “authorities” to my list of rogues, villains and blackguards and over the years.

      • JMS says:

        As my 18 year old self intuited, authorities suck!
        Long live Anarchy and Autodidactics! 🙃

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The more lies you uncover – the closer to get to the position of assuming everything is a lie…

        Silent Killers is useful https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/ I learned a lot from that series

        • CTG says:

          Until the day you realized that potentially everything is a lie, you are still a sheep nevertheless. I have come to an understanding (on my own) that unless I see it with my own eyes, felt it with my own hands and smelt it with my own nose or hear it with my own ears, I will be skeptical of everything. What existed before I was born or when I was aware of myself (like 5 years old perhaps) is something that my parents told me or I read from somewhere. I cannot convince myself that it is real.

          Did that “big event xxx” happened in WW2 or that “big tragedy YYY” happened in Vietnam war happened? I cannot tell. They are all from books or videos only. Was JFK assassinated or the moon landing happened? I cannot tell. Unless I was there in Dallas and seen actually the person who died was JFK and not a lookalike or body double, then I am convinced that he died. Otherwise, it is just reading from books and magazines.

          History is written by victors. So, that sums up everything.

          p.s. I was informed (I cannot tell if it is true) that WW2 is portrayed differently in school text books in Japan.

        • deimetri
          deimetri says:

          What is the Zen saying? “Don’t seek the truth, just cease to cherish opinions. ”

          Assume, outside of direct experience, that it all it is all bullshit (cease cherishing opinions).

          It is hard because we have naturally evolved to believe bullshit since it is more efficient (from a natural selection point of view) to be told what to believe rather than for each person to figure it out for themselves.

          Being told what is truth leads obviously to much abuse. Hence why humans are self defeating and are rushing headlong over the cliff to collapse.

      • Jan says:

        “I had no way to check whether it was true or false or accurate or honest.”

        I still haven’t found any mechanisms for that. Incongruences are just a question of beauty of the theory. There is no proof that the mechanisms of nature must be congruent. Look at the antagonistic models of light that both have practical relevance!

        “I simply accepted everything I saw and heard and was told as true”

        I have never done this. I have always been aware people, including parents, teachers and family, are stupid. Even when they have a prominent career.

        I am afraid we have to live with the insecurity “not to know for sure”. It means every decision means to risk life!

        I guess that is the condition of life!

  17. Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
    Gail Tverberg says:

    From the WSJ, U.N. Calls On Fed, Other Central Banks to Halt Interest-Rate Increases
    A U.N. agency warns that further policy tightening risks a global economic downturn

    In its annual report on the global economic outlook, the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development said the Fed risks causing significant harm to developing countries if it persists with rapid rate rises. The agency estimated that a percentage point rise in the Fed’s key interest rate lowers economic output in other rich countries by 0.5%, and economic output in poor countries by 0.8% over the subsequent three years.
    . . .

    In a subsequent news conference, Fed Chairman Jerome Powell said the central bank does take account of the impact its policies have on the rest of the world but would continue to lift interest rates to bring inflation under control.

    In other words, we will continue to do exactly as we please.

    At the same time, Credit Suisse is doing badly. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/credit-suisse-ceo-touts-strong-liquidity-positionagain-market-says-nein

    It may soon do something similar to to what the UK did last week, to try to fix the situation–pour fuel on the inflation fire.

    • yes and not so much just to save Credit Suisse but to stop a financial contagion that could take down other Big Banks.

      this says the Swiss Central Bank is still tightening:

      https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2022-10-03/swiss-central-bank-steps-up-policy-tightening-as-sight-deposits-drop-78-billion

      it will be interesting to see if/when they quickly go back to QE like the UK did.

      the plot thickens.

    • Dennis L. says:

      My guess remains deflation. The main function of money now is liquidity and trade. It is tough to trade in silver coins, whatever as value is not generally accepted and transaction costs are high.

      Silver is heavy, hard to transport, gold hard to break down into transaction amounts.

      Assets will be worth less faster than inflation secondary to energy costs/shortages.

      Dennis L.

      • CTG says:

        As always… inflation in essentials and deflation is non-essentials. What else? You need to have 3 stereo systems 4 TVs, 5 computers at home? Need the best and the fastest PC or phone?

        • Tsubion says:

          Two luxury vehicles in the drive (trucks, SUVs, Mercedes, BMW, Audi etc), suburban McMansions as far as the eye can see, oversees travel at the drop of a hat, servants moving lawns, delivering every product imaginable, cleaning pools etc.

          Consumer world may be coming to an end. How will these professional consumers react?

          Dare I say… people have had it good for so long they don’t know what it’s like to simply appreciate having a roof over your head.

    • MM says:

      The U.N. is not a monetary entity.
      I understand that there is more want for politics in monetary issues.
      Unfortunately it is the other way round.

  18. Fast Eddy says:

    The first real evidence mRNA shots RAISE the risk of Covid hospitalization and death over time

    A big Swedish study offers fragmentary but suggestive data

    On Sep. 20, using data covering 9 million people, Swedish researchers published a paper showing mRNA jabs may increase the risk of Omicron infection after three months.

    That finding received attention. But an even more intriguing nugget in the paper has so far gone unnoticed.

    Based on one statistical analysis vaccinated people had a HIGHER risk of death or hospitalization from Covid roughly a year after receiving their second dose. The charts — b and d below — show that vaccine protection against death and hospitalization begins to decline slowly after about five months and then plunges about nine months.

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-first-real-evidence-mrna-shots

    • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
      Gail Tverberg says:

      True, but the results are relatively weak, as Alex Berenson says at the end. Also, a study based on indications after two shots was likely long ago.

      Furthermore, the virus itself keeps changing. For now the risk of death seems to be very low, with or without any vaccination.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        it was always very low – in line with risk of death from the flu – my Great Barrington guy and many others have confirmed that

        But they put people on vents – and stuck them with remdeathisnear and midazolam … driving up the deaths… and using that to frighten people into injecting the Dog Shit.

      • Dennis L. says:

        From this site I am a doubter, old man, cancer survivor, one comorbidity plus age, no vax. I have had all the tests, can’t get the virus; out and about, living my last years.

        There seem to be a number of problems which are not helped by the opacity of the data. Something seems wrong.

        Soon it will no longer be my problem.

        Dennis L.

  19. PeterEV says:

    https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Solar-Energy/Solar-Cell-Breakthrough-Could-Challenge-Silicon-Dominance.html

    The article mentions a breakthrough in solar cell development based on perovskite technology and new solvents.
    Specifics:
    cell efficiency: 24.5%
    adaptable to roll to roll manufacturing(?): 30 meters/min.
    degradation: after 2,000 hours exposed to sunlight < 1% degradation
    cost: about 1/10 that of its silicon brethern.
    To put that into perspective:
    If the roll is 1 meter wide and you use a 1,000 w/meter**2 solar insolation value, you're producing 7.35kw of potential solar electric conversion (30 m**2 * 1000w/m**2 * .245 = 7,350 watts/minute.
    A year has 8760 hours or 525,600 minutes or the potential of producing 3.8 million – kw of cells and that is just one roll to roll line of manufacturing.

    Whether this actually transpires or not, is yet to be seen. I can't say that it will and Fast Eddy can't say that it won't (although I think he'll try by pointing out what is happening in Germany [which I thought was idiocy]). But what are the alternatives? Burning down our forests for heat????

    In your articles, have you ever thought that something like this **might** take place and if it does? What does that do to your assumptions and our energy situation (predicament)?

    Also, the lithium iron phosphate batteries have been shown to have a 3500 cycle life and if used in a 300+ mile range/charge EV, could provide over a million miles of range in a lifetime of driving 3,500 cycles * 300 miles/cycle = 1,050,000 miles.

    • nikoB says:

      Let us know when they are in full production and are making a huge dent in the energy mix that relies upon diesel to do all its work. I still think that unicorn farts are the best new source of energy.

    • Lidia17 says:

      On the EV battery front, I think it would be easier to envision a society in which people don’t drive 1,000,000 miles.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Pete that’s now what I will say.

      What I will say is that the only reason EVs and ‘renewable’ energy exist… is for the purpose of convincing the MOREONS who are really f789ing stooopid .. but most still understand that oil is finite and we will some day run out…

      That there is no need to fret … because we will have transitioned off of fossil fuels long before that day arrives….

      Notice all the announcements from countries banning ICE vehicles by 2035… some even sooner.

      Obviously that is impossible (well obvious to anyone who is logical) — so why do they make these announcements?

      Yes of course – they are telling the MOREONS what to think. The MOREONS are MOREONS – they think what they are told to think – by the MSM. Can you find any MSM articles explaining why this is impossible? Of course not – cuz that’s not what the MSM does — it does not tell the truth.

      And nobody wants this truth – they WANT to believe that we can transition off of oil – cuz if we don’t we are doomed….

      Some of the MOREONS recognize batteries are a big problem with both EVs and ‘renewable’ energy — so the Ministry of Truth drip feeds bullshit stories like the fable you just posted… any day now we’ll have the innovation that provides us with the holy grail of batteries… Could would might etc… it’s all bullshit.. it’s all fakery from the MSM — to convince the MOREONS that we shall overcome.

      They are constantly dropping this sort of nonsense on the MOREONS – e.g https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20181119-why-flammable-ice-could-be-the-future-of-energy

      Notice how it never happens. Notice how they tell us we’ll be going back to the moon soon (Bush said by 2020… )

      It’s all fake. You are being played.

      Oh and btw – what’s the point of an EV? The vast majority of electricity is generated using coal, gas and uranium. Those are no more infinite than oil…. Duh.

      No matter how much logic and evidence one throws at the zombies… they won’t get it. See my other comment on that topic

      • PeterEV says:

        Fast Eddy.
        For all your name calling, my kindergarten teacher would have you in “time out” permanently.

        • eddy

          looks like somebody else has got you sussed.

          if i were you I’d hide the chalk and avoid the skoolyard wall. (no more room on it anyway)

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Ok pete – so explain to me why I should trade my Bat Mobile (petrol powered) for an EV.

            Let’s do this.

            • eddy

              its possible (and educational) to have a give and take discussion with someone rational.

              someone who, when losing an argument, or to reinforce a weak point, doesn’t rant and rage and demean himself with a constant barrage of faux obscenities and sexual innuendo.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              That’s impossible because people like you won’t answer the proper questions.

              Pete – advantages of EVs over ICE..

              Begin here:

            • PeterEV says:

              Okay. Exxon Mobil has a graph showing the peaking of world crude oil production around 2040. (Natural gas and coal are also peaking). We (in the US) use 5 MBOD than we produce. There are signs that we (the US) may be peaking again before 2030. What is available and what do we transition to within that time frame of being “energy independent” by say 2030? if we stick with gasoline and diesel, we will find ourselves paying much higher prices for the fuels until we can’t and our economy shrinks. It is one of the major reasons that the automobile manufacturers are switching to hybrids and pure EVs. You can see it in their ads. All the announcements and almost all the ads are for hybrids and EVs.
              In the meantime, we have very efficient electric motors, we have solar cells of various types, we have various battery technologies. We are basically in the early stages of developing the latter two. I can get around in my EV at the equivalent of $2/gallon. Sales of 3 million EVs in China and almost a million in the US shows that there is demand for the technology. The EVs are expensive with the expectation that the cost will decrease over time.
              I produce enough electricity to power my EV and have some left over in winter and a lot more in summer.
              My expectation is that we will continue to develop more energy efficient solar cells and more energy dense batteries. The article I posted herein about a breakthrough in creating 2 layer Perovskite cells with a 24.5% efficiency and degradation of less than 1% over 2,000 hours of sunlight is part of that advancement for roughly a tenth(?) of the cost of silicon cells. This is for a 2 layer cell and Perovskites can be “tuned” for various solar wavelengths and have additional layers raising their efficiencies.
              With respect to batteries, the theoretical energy density of lithium based cells is somewhere around 1500 to 3,000 wh/kg. We are presently manufacturing cells around 160 to 200wh/kg. We have a ways to go to even get have way to their theoretical max energy density.
              The electric utilities are thinking that decentralize energy production will be taking place using solar (wind) and battery storage. I’ll add that they will likely become more like energy distributors and less like energy generators.
              **Will this all transpire to the point that we will not feel the effects of peaking???**
              I don’t know. I know we are seeing the effects of Limits to Growth, overshoot, resource depletion, etc. rearing their ugly heads but we have some really smart people working on developing sustainable technologies. What will win out and what won’t is yet to be seen but it is not likely that fossil fuel based technology will survive in the long run.
              Eddy, the Exxon graph is flat enough that you could be driving an ICE until you die at a very very old age but I think an EV will be cheaper to own and operate.
              There will still be demand to bring chickens, eggs, bacon, veggies and fruits into the towns and cities and that will not be done with horse and wagons for anything close to the foreseeable future. EVs appear to be a solution.

            • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
              Gail Tverberg says:

              I have a hard time believing that the world economy will be able to make more than a handful of EVs for a very large world population. Maybe a few rich people, who can afford a large number of solar panels, a large home with acreage in a sunny part of the world, and a state of the art EV (bought with subsidies, paid for taxes on poor people) can come out ahead. I have a hard time believing that any group as large as 5% of the world’s population can come out ahead with EVs.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Surely you are aware that the vast majority of electricity generated is done so with coal gas and uranium?

              Surely you are aware that using solar panels to charge an EV would require an enormous solar array along with batteries resulting in gargantuan costs?

              Surely you are aware that if there is poor weather for a day or two your EV would remain in the garage?

              Surely you are aware of that there are nowhere near enough raw materials for the batteries for a transition to EVs (already the prices are skyrocketing)?

              Surely you are aware:

              “To provide most of our power through renewables would take hundreds of times the amount of rare earth metals that we are mining today,” according to Thomas Graedel at the Yale School of Forestry & Environmental Studies. So renewable energy resources like windmills and solar PV can not ever replace fossil fuels, there’s not enough of many essential minerals to scale this technology up. http://energyskeptic.com/2014/high-tech-cannot-last-rare-earth-metals/

              Renewable Penetration https://gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/iea-primary-energy-suppy-1973-and-2015.png

              The $2.5 trillion reason we can’t rely on batteries to store energy
              Fluctuating solar and wind power require lots of energy storage, and lithium-ion batteries seem like the obvious choice—but they are far too expensive to play a major role.
              https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611683/the-25-trillion-reason-we-cant-rely-on-batteries-to-clean-up-the-grid/

              Why Germany’s nuclear phaseout is leading to more coal burning
              Between 2011 and 2015 Germany will open 10.7 GW of new coal fired power stations. This is more new coal coal capacity than was constructed in the entire two decades after the fall of the Berlin Wall. The expected annual electricity production of these power stations will far exceed that of existing solar panels and will be approximately the same as that of Germany’s existing solar panels and wind turbines combined. Solar panels and wind turbines however have expected life spans of no more than 25 years. Coal power plants typically last 50 years or longer. At best you could call the recent developments in Germany’s electricity sector contradictory. https://carboncounter.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/why-germanys-nuclear-phaseout-is-leading-to-more-coal-burning/

              You are Delusional…

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Renewable energy ‘simply won’t work’: Top Google engineers

              Two highly qualified Google engineers who have spent years studying and trying to improve renewable energy technology have stated quite bluntly that whatever the future holds, it is not a renewables-powered civilisation: such a thing is impossible.
              Both men are Stanford PhDs, Ross Koningstein having trained in aerospace engineering and David Fork in applied physics. These aren’t guys who fiddle about with websites or data analytics or “technology” of that sort: they are real engineers who understand difficult maths and physics, and top-bracket even among that distinguished company.

              Even if one were to electrify all of transport, industry, heating and so on, so much renewable generation and balancing/storage equipment would be needed to power it that astronomical new requirements for steel, concrete, copper, glass, carbon fibre, neodymium, shipping and haulage etc etc would appear.

              All these things are made using mammoth amounts of energy: far from achieving massive energy savings, which most plans for a renewables future rely on implicitly, we would wind up needing far more energy, which would mean even more vast renewables farms – and even more materials and energy to make and maintain them and so on. The scale of the building would be like nothing ever attempted by the human race.

              In reality, well before any such stage was reached, energy would become horrifyingly expensive – which means that everything would become horrifyingly expensive (even the present well-under-one-per-cent renewables level in the UK has pushed up utility bills very considerably).

              http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/

              Is this going to be like trying to convince a CovIDIOT not to shoot any more boosters?

              Are you the norm of renewable energy and EVs?

        • Fast Eddy says:

          It’s not name calling .. it’s just another word for humans…

          You know – like when I show a clip of a missile hitting the pentagon then ask where all the debris is from the airplane that we are told struck the building …

          And they won’t answer.

          And then when I ask what the upsides are of buying an EV (charged with coal – manufactured using huge amounts of fossil fuels – toxic battery etc)… I get no answer from the EV owners

          Then there are 6 billion or so who have injected an experiment into their bodies — millions of them are getting wrecked or dying — and they keep on injecting.

          Did I mention they feed themselves using a substance that is finite?

          Human / MORE-ON are interchangeable … they are SINonims

          • maybe folks are realising that talking to you is a pointless exercise eddy

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Can you find me a photo of the plane wreckage at the Pentagon?

            • too busy in my bird hide

              waiting for another sighting of the lesser spotted eddywit, i can get a lot of money for that photo

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Did you mean you are too busy Out Back the Dumpter with Super Snatch to find me a wreckage photo?

              Filthy old SSS… and the Nasty Old Fool

              hahahaha

            • Fast Eddy says:

              You may now need daily boosters.

              ‘Holm Hansen et al.’s Denmark study looked at vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infection with the Omicron or Delta variants following a two-dose or booster BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273 vaccination series. A key finding was reported as “VE against Omicron was 55.2% initially following primary BNT162b2 vaccination, but waned quickly thereafter. Although estimated with less precision, VE against Omicron after primary mRNA-1273 vaccination similarly indicated a rapid decline in protection. By comparison, both vaccines showed higher, longer-lasting protection against Delta.” In other words, the vaccine that has failed against Delta is even far worse for Omicron.

              The table and figure below paint a devastating picture. See where the green dot is (Omicron variant) in the vertical lines (blue is Delta) and the 2 edges of the bars (upper and lower lips) 91 days out for Omicron (3 months). Both Pfizer and Moderna show negative efficacy for Omicron at 31 days (both are below the ‘line of no effect’ or ‘0’). The comparative table is even more devastating for it shows how much less vaccine effectiveness there is for Omicron. For example, at 1-30 days, Pfizer showed 55.2% effectiveness for Omicron versus 86.7% for Delta, and for the same period, Moderna showed 36.7% effectiveness for Omicron versus 88.2% for Delta.

              https://palexander.substack.com/p/holm-hansen-vaccine-effectiveness

            • Fast Eddy says:

              PFIZER ADDED ANTI HEART ATTACK DRUG TO CHILD COVID SHOTS; They knew these injections were causing heart injuries in Children

              COVER UP; Pfizer added the dangerous heart attack drug Tromethamine (https://www.drugs.com/sfx/tromethamine-side-effects.html) to the covid Shots for 5-11 year olds after thousands of cardiac disorders seen in 12-17 year olds

              This drug is dangerous if administered intramuscularly as COVID shots are

              SIDE EFFECTS (but not exclusively)
              •Respiratory Depression
              •Tissue inflammation
              •Peeling Skin
              •Shortness of Breath
              •Cardio vascular disorders
              •Veno spasms

              @childcovidvaccineinjuriesuk

    • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
      Gail Tverberg says:

      Our problem right now is keeping people from freezing in the dark in the winter. Even with the breakthrough, I expect that the improved solar will still leave people freezing in the dark in winter because we do not have a way of storing electricity from summer to winter. Also, the output is still intermittent electricity; it is not the oil, natural gas and coal, which our system currently set up to handle. It is mostly a way of stretching our fossil fuel supplies a little–this is the same issue that we have today.

      Also, the changeover time and costs to an all electric economy would be incredible. I am doubtful it could be done. For one thing, we would need a lot more/better transmission lines.

      I don’t know about the electric car batteries. We don’t now have the extra electricity generation capacity for all of these electric cars. Perhaps if we tell people that they can have a new EV, but they cannot drive it in winter, either. They need to stay at home and freeze in the dark in winter. Spring, summer, and fall might be OK for driving the vehicle, because there might be enough electricity available. Of course, we will not have any way of paving roads, with solar panel and batteries. Without constant fixes to the roads, the lifetime of roads will be very short.

      • ivanislav says:

        Winter solar production is roughly 1/2 according to your article. So, if we can build out the generation capacity to double the need, we could be fine. For that to happen, though, will require some technological/materials leaps that may be difficult to make in a time of instability.

        • CTG says:

          Right now, we have a most 2 weeks before it gets really cold. Can we do it in 2 weeks? Hollywood says it is possible….

          • ivanislav says:

            If everybody gets drunk, someone will hit the Ballmer Peak and solve the issue! And if not, at least we had one last hurrah!

          • Tim Groves says:

            In Japan, there is a wonderful invention called a kotatsu table. In winter, half the population spends half of their waking hours sitting with their legs under the table staying toasty warm for a very small fraction of the price of heating the entire room.

            Europeans would do well to set one of these up in the living room this winter. Or, you could go a bit further and set up a “kotatsu” tent or a four-poster bed.

            Modern kotatsus use an electric heating element, but a 100V lightbulb also does the trick. Traditional ones used charcoal, which was a bit more dangerous.

            But either way, it beats freezing to death in a cold poorly insulated house or apartment.

            • Xabier says:

              A tea light or two in one of those ceramic pierced containers works very well.

              Very safe, and generates a lot of heat.

              Did it myself for several winters.

              Wear a wool hat and upper clothing.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Given the choice… I’d prefer to opt out with C-Fent….

              The thing is …

              We have to keep in mind that the collapse wont be temporary — it’s not like if you survive 6 months it all goes back to semi normal… life would be total drudgery…

              I’d rather see what’s on the other side of death than live in misery. (the chorizo and wine will run out at some point — maybe C-Fent then?)

            • Withnail says:

              A tea light or two in one of those ceramic pierced containers works very well.

              Very safe, and generates a lot of heat.

              No it doesn’t, that’s a myth. Physics tells us you can’t heat a room in winter with a tiny candle no matter your perception of imaginary heat.

              It was the hat and warm clothing that kept you warm.

            • banned says:

              Japan is lucky coastal climate zone. In a climate zone 5 or higher with a envelope that has R60 roof R 40 walls you need 9000 btu a hour in a big room to meet minimum comfort in the coldest months. 24/7 for a couple months. People take wood heat for granted with a stove putting out 100k BTU. Those who have been relying on affordable fossil fuels are in for a big and unpleasant surprise.

              Really if Europe spent one winter without Russian gas then returned to its supply it might be a good thing in terms of a wake up call.

      • MM says:

        c9/11 helped us to develop a start stop economy.
        It is only a scale problem from supply chains on and off for weeks or months to on and off from day to day or hour to hour.
        The winter problem can be solved raising sheep.
        We will manage that.

      • Withnail says:

        Without constant fixes to the roads, the lifetime of roads will be very short.

        And battery powered vehicles are much, much heavier than fossil fuel powered ones. We’ll need more road repairs and a lot more tyres, too. We could expect more collapsed bridges if there really were many millions of electric cars.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        They can work from home in the winter with no heat … and they will need to dim their computer screens…

        Q4 Boom? Makes sense to happen during winter up north – most of the pop is in the northern kingdoms so lock them in … freeze them … starve them…

        The cold kicks off in November.. let’s see if this gas story is real or not.

    • drb753
      drb753 says:

      Starts degrading in 2000 hours? Too bad there are 8760 hours in a year. Half of them with sunlight.

    • MM says:

      This article explains a manufacturing process of layered Perovskite that was a long wanted material problem to be solved.
      It does solve the efficiency problem but not the stability problem or lead Pb bein necessary to get a somewhat stable crystal. There seems to be still a long way to go.
      On the other hand in farming you use a new foil every year. Why not?
      We do not see the PB problem solved here.
      Probably also the energy required for this crystal is quite less than for Si crystals. About that there exists too little information in the press release so I put my bet on Fast’s analysis here.
      Maybe they can get some more funding from that.

      • PeterEV says:

        Hi MM,

        The article does mention that cell degradation was less than 1% over 2000 hours of light
        “The researchers tested the solar cells to light for over 2,000 hours but did not see even one percent degradation. The cell layers are just one micron thick.” Ref:
        https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/us-researchers-dissolve-perovskite-solar-panels-roadblock
        The lead, like car batteries, would be contained and the actual cells being less than a micron thick means the use of lead would be relatively small.
        Like you said, the article did not go into much detail.

        • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
          Gail Tverberg says:

          Can these solar cells be made without international trade? Can we in the US make them without imported parts of the whole system?

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I can’t wait till we discuss the advantages of EVs over ICE!

  20. Fast Eddy says:

    FE asked if there are any vaccines worth taking:

    Dr. Kevin Stillwagon replied to your comment

    The only “vaccine” that would have any value would be one that contains the entire virus particle without dangerous adjuvants and enters the body through the epithelial lining the way it would in an natural infection. This would allow proper exposure and training of innate sentinel cells, the production of protective secretory mucosal IgA antibodies, and perfect serum antibodies with memory. So, you would inhale the respiratory ones or swallow those that enter through the gut.

    This has been tried with some nasal sprays and also with swallowing the polio virus in the Sabin method. So far this hasn’t worked very well because they are modifying the viruses by allowing them to mutate in nonhuman cells and using those instead of the true wild type virus. The problem is, the immune response and memory is suboptimal because the virus has been changed.

    Really, the only way to become truly “immunized” is from natural or forced natural exposure to the wild virus, as in “measles parties”.

    Reject all vaccines. It’s a scam. But since we are never 100% certain of anything (except that the Covid vaxx is dangerous and useless) do not discourage the zombies from taking the injections… if any of them do have any benefit — you’ll want others to take on all the risks…

    That said – you can tell the zombies this but they will call you a nut job… and they’ll continue to take very injection that is on offer.

    There are benefits of not being a zombie – this is one of them

  21. Student says:

    The following one is a reliable video about the recent story of Ukraine.
    It has been dubbed in English.
    I suggest you.

    ‘Ukraine, the other truth’

    https://odysee.com/@luogocomune:5/ukraine-the-other-truth:2

    • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
      Gail Tverberg says:

      Interesting video. After the area that is now Ukraine lost in World War I, it was annexed by the Soviet Union in 1917. Farms were collectivized, in the Soviet manner. This change was deeply disliked by the Ukrainians. They despised the Russians. Ukraine was to become the Soviet Union’s main supplier. To get back at the Ukraine, Stalin created a real famine in Ukraine, lasting several years and taking millions of lives of Ukrainians (Holodomor). People were rounded up, and shot if they did not comply, to go to the collective farms. While this happened a century, it explains the deep hatred that the Ukrainians have for the Russians.

      During the 1950s, several Nazi organization were born in Ukraine, but had to remain under the radar of the Soviet Union.

      This is only about the first five minutes of the video. It is one hour and sixteen minutes long.

      • Tim Groves says:

        I wasn’t there, and it happened before I was born, so I can’t say definitively, but I must say once again from the outset that Stalin was a Georgian—whether or not this is in any way significant I have no idea— and everybody in the Soviet Union, regardless of ethnicity, was terrorized by his government.

        Also Khrushchev was born in Russia a stone’s throw from the Ukrainian border, married a Ukrainian, spent his formative years in as an official in Donbass, and when he led the USSR, he unilaterally transferred Crimea to Ukraine. Brezhnev too was a Ukrainian by birth. But that sorrt of information doesn’t suit the narrative of “Russians bad! Everyone else victims!”

        One of the people held to most responsible for the famines in the Soviet Union in the 1930s and China in the 1950s and 60s was, as many people are aware, the geneticist Trofim Lysenko. Most people probably consider him Russian because he was a Soviet citizen, but actually—and not a lot of people know this or care to—Lysenko was born into a peasant family of Ukrainian ethnicity in Karlivka to the south of Kharkov in Ukraine in 1898, and he spent his early career at Kiev Agricultural Institute (currently the National University of Life and Environmental Sciences of Ukraine). But that sort of knowledge and those particular facts don’t suit the narrative of “Russians bad! Everyone else victims!”

        I will say this. There has never been a solid border between Russia and Ukraine that allows us to say “everyone on this side is of Russian ethnicity and everyone on that side is of Ukrainian ethnicity.” Europe never was like that until modern states appeared. Eastern Europe still isn’t like that. There are enclaves of different ethnicities all over the place.

        Added to that, the Ukrainians and Russians in the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union intermarried at high rates for centuries, so that almost every family has a mixture of both ethnicities comparable to the situation in the UK where almost everyone has an English, Irish and Scottish uncle and a Welsh second cousin twice removed but keeps coming back again.

        One last thing, the Holodomor is being widely portrayed these days as an ethnic genocide perpetrated against Ukrainians. Half a century ago, it was portrayed as a genocide mainly though starvation (thanks, Lysenko!) against kulaks (wealthy or prosperous peasants) and it was acknowledged that perhaps 7 million people died including up to 3 million people in Russia, 4 million in Ukraine and 2 million in Kazakstan. But these days, those particular facts don’t suit the narrative of “Russians bad! Everyone else victims!”

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Those who resisted collectivization – were starved.

          BTW – we had contractors in two former Soviet satellite countries… I was on a conference call with the techs .. they needed to discuss a complicated issue and were not comfortable with English – they asked – do you mind if we switch to Russian language for this?

      • Student says:

        Gail, you are missing the most important part…

      • lurker says:

        there’s a lot of half truths and western propaganda in this summary; if you don’t know about the “golden embargo”, i.e. that …”the Western powers refused to accept gold as payment for industrial equipment they delivered to Russia. All of a sudden they demanded that the Soviet government pay for the equipment in timber, oil and grain”, this article helps to understand what actually happened during the holodomor:

        https://www.autistici.org/poderobrero/articulos/holodomor-hoax-wests-golden-embargo-and-soviet-famine-of-1932-33

        this history is quite censored in the west; it’s thanks only to Orlov that i know of it.

        • Student says:

          Interesting.
          Anyway I suggest again to go on with other parts of the doc.
          I’m sure you will not define it ‘western propaganda’.

  22. kulmthestatusquo
    kulmthestatusquo says:

    Whenever Russia does badly, the Saker guy has a habit of hiding , blaming some excuse.

    The whole Russia show might be an attempt of TPTB to fish out potential dissents and identify them for future events. I have never supported Russia, or anyone else, since I don’t really put any hopes on politicians of any flavor.

    • Vern Baker says:

      Didn’t he just loose his entire house to a hurricane or something?

    • Tim Groves says:

      Don’t worry Kulm. You are on somebody’s list.

      You are not woke enough for the New World Order.

      They’ve got you marked down as a paleocolonialist.

    • MM says:

      You could say that a lot of FUD is suddenly developing.
      If you consider the topic “the old has to go” you could guess that Putin could also be on a suicide mission to finally get his country on board with the multipolar order. I am not sure about that.
      As Fast says, we do not even know if the Ukey war is real.
      I looked at some videos that you can search yourself and there is a mix of heavy explosions (on what?) and lot of dust but also shells coming in and not even making a dent in the grass. If I watch shells from WW I or II they made quite a huge crater.
      I saw vid of a shell explosion and seconds later AFU soldiers stepping out of the cloud just a meter away. That does not look like heavy military at work.
      Something is not right with this whole operation but we have too many curtains here.

      I am on the side with Germany and France that should have guaranteed Minsk II that did not work out.
      Elon has taken a similar path.
      Ukraine can be in tact if they just stop harassing the Russians. That could also help the Ukrainians to grow emotionally.

      • MM says:

        Actually from the same assessment of a multipolar world you could also say that some people might still be quite angry about Powell showing up in the UN with alleged Anthrax
        (after he passed the security checks).
        The UN will for sure play an important role in the future as will China and Russia. You could guess that this plays a role in why Russia tries very hard to play by the rules.
        This might play out later if it survives.
        The temporary aspect tells me that there is a bit of a dead end for some monetary entities ahead.

        From the dismantling of Europe the wave of unemployed and the pension ponzi could get out of sync for spring next year.
        For the Moment it seems the gas will be there over THIS winter. People without money in winter is not good news for ROF. Spring next year seems to be the point when the fuse at the monetary system is done. The war ?
        A winter fary tale ?
        We will see. If WOPR could not 100% handle that, the switch would not have been flipped in 2020. WOPR has the data.
        We do not have the data.

        It seems that Russia has problems with recruiting.
        On the other hand a reservist will not flee when he is called on duty, he might have become a barber instead.
        A thing that Russian lovers should look at is mandatory c9/11 vaccination for reservists.
        This does not bode well for a multipolar world order…

        It could be that Russia should be dismantled but as far as I understand Larry Fink he says a strong government makes a point for strong profits.

        In all cases it is pretty unclear how the Russophobia of the West and the fierce anger of Russia could be televised as a global success for all in the end.

        A coup against Putin might solve the “Putin bad” psychosis but not the “who will rule then” question. Medvedev?
        This would not really be a success for the West.

        I do not have a satellite imaging of Russian or NATO supplies to Ukraine. It seems though that a considerable effort is being undertaken if this is all a theater.

        I do not know. I make my bet on Karl Rove.
        They create realities and we can rub our eyes.

  23. This recent article on Moon of Alabama gives us a useful insight into how Russia sees the conflict in UKR. Obviously I do not confuse ‘moral’ claims of any kind with ‘reality’. Facts themselves have no imperative aspect, which is rather added. The article alludes to USA ‘hypocrisy’ on the independence and the annexations of regions, eg. Kosovo, Taiwan. Obviously ‘all morality is will to power’ and that is especially evident in geopolitical affairs, so what can one expect?

    I remember one of our lecturers scoffing that ‘consistency is for the naive’ which shocked the class except for me who found it a curious aphorism. I call it the deception-gullibility paradigm that is bred into humans; cynicism works only if most people are disposed to ‘believe’ in ‘consistency’ yet habitually biased in their interpretation of ‘facts’ and frankly a bit ‘thick’. People set themselves up to ‘fall’ for that cr/p.

    ‘Consistency’ is one of the ‘games’ that humans play; Socrates naively made it the basis of his ‘method’, Kant of his ‘categorical imperative’. USA State, like the others, is obviously way beyond that nonsense, though they are happy to still play the rhetorical game, most humans being what they are. Really, people can only ‘blame’ themselves for how states ‘play’ them, although no one can really change who they are and how they ‘function’. Anyone who supposes that geopolitical states are ever fundamentally ‘consistent’ needs their head examined.

    > Ukraine – Four Oblasts Join Russia

    In 1922 Vladimir Il’ich Lenin, head of the revolutionary Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, decided that several regions which for centuries had been Russian and under Russian rule were to be put, for reasons unknown, under the administration of the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine. In 1954 a similar decision was taken with regards to autonomous republic of Crimea.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/11i/ukradded.jpg

    The sudden disintegration of the Union in 1991 led to unruly phases in the newly created republics. Ethnic Russian people suddenly found themselves in territory that was no longer ruled by Moscow. In several of the new countries ethnic non-Russian majorities started to suppress the Russian minorities. Today’s Baltic countries, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, are to various degrees prime examples for this.

    Before 1991 the Ukraine had never existed as a state or independent entity. The early Cossack tribes in the yellow part and green parts of the map had asked for Russian protection against attacks from Poland, Lithuania and other neighbors. In the new Ukraine ethnic Russians were nearly half of the population and the parties they supported managed to win several countrywide elections. Big voting differences were visible along regional/ethnic lines. The country had strong economic relations with Russia. Its industry depended on Russian gas while nearly all its machine and steel exports went to Russia.

    The U.S. did not like that. It wanted to control rule the Ukraine to be able to put pressure on Russia. It twice, in 2004 and in 2014, organized ‘color revolutions’ to overthrow elected Ukrainian governments which, for mostly economic reasons, tended to favor relations with Russia.

    The 2014 color revolution was exceptionally brutal. The U.S. had organized extreme right wing groups to take the lead in violent protests. (The same groups were in the early 1940s allied with German Nazis and, between 1948 and 1952, were waging a CIA led guerrilla war against the Soviet Union.) The street fighting ended with an unconstitutional change of the government of Ukraine.

    The first law that the new coup government implemented was a rejection of Russian as one of Ukraine’s state languages. For some 50% of Ukrainians Russian is their daily language. Ukrainian itself is a Russian dialect. Nearly 100% of Ukrainians understand Russian.

    The ethnic Russian people in Ukraine feared being canceled. Crimea, which in 1991 had voted for and declared its independence before the Ukraine did so, voted, under Russian protection, to join Russia. Moscow accepted the move.

    People in other former Russian parts of Ukraine protested and a some in the east took up arms. They twice defeated the Ukrainian army and volunteer formations sent against them. The Minsk I and II agreements that followed required Ukraine to give those Donbas oblasts significant autonomy. The United Nations Security Council acknowledged and supported the agreements. But any attempts to implement them were sabotaged by the U.S. via the armed right wing movements that had control over the government in Kiev.

    For eight long years the people in the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics defended their borders against constant Ukrainian attempts to solve the conflict by violence. While the people in those republics had voted for the independence of their republics, and to become a part of Russia, the Kremlin did not want to accept that. It wanted that those republics stay within Ukraine and insisted on the implementation of the Minsk agreements.

    In 2015 the U.S. and NATO started to build a new Ukrainian army. They succeeded. By 2021 it was larger than most armies of NATO countries. Plans were made to invade the Donbas republics. In 2021 Russia became aware that a first attempt was soon to be made. It launched large maneuvers of its own military near its western border to deter such attempts. The situation settled down.

    Any attempt of the Ukraine to overwhelm the Donbas, and the likely pogroms that were to follow, would have created a situation in which the Russian government would be pressed very hard by its own people to intervene. Russians see the inhabitants of those areas as part of their own people.

    When the Kremlin learned of new plans to attack the Donbas republics in 2022 it took a stand. It send quasi ultimatums to the U.S. and NATO and requested security agreements that would deny NATO membership to Ukraine. The ultimatums were rejected. The U.S. wanted war in Ukraine to a. ‘weaken’ Russia and to b. get stronger control over its European ‘allies’ and economic competitors.

    On February 17 the Ukrainian army launched artillery preparations for an all out attack on the Donbas republics. Over the next days the shelling increased from some 40 artillery explosions per day to over 2,000 per day. Russia had to act. On February 22 it recognized the independence of the Donbas republics and signed defense agreements with them. On February 24 it send its troops to defeat the Ukrainian army and to make any future attacks on the Donbas impossible.

    Since then Russia and its allied local forces have gained control of all of Luhank, 60% of Donetsk and most of the southern oblasts Kherson and Zaparozhia. But Russia also learned that the very limited forces it had sent were unable to fulfill its aim of disarming Ukraine. To call up and use reservist required a legal change. Local officials in the Russian controlled oblasts organized referenda for the people to decide if they want their become independent of Ukraine to then join Russia. Large majorities voted for the proposals.

    Today the President of the Russian Federation signed agreements with the republics for them to become part of Russia.

    Any attempt to attack them is now an attack on Russia. They are under full protection of the Russian Federation, its military and those of its allies.

    For Ukraine to continue the war will mean the assured defeat of its army and further dismemberment as more regions will join Russia and Poland, Hungary and Romania will try to take the regions of Ukraine they previously controlled.

    ‘Western’ propaganda calls the votes for to join Russia a ‘sham’ and the process an ‘annexation’. But the votes were very real. The very high results for joining Russia are understandable Ukraine rejected these people and as those who oppose Russia have long left those regions.

    The UN Charter acknowledges a right to self determination. The U.S. is itself (ab)using that right whenever it is in favor of its political aims:

    “In his address to the UN, Biden insisted that, even had the vote not been fixed and a sham, it would never be recognized because it is “an extremely significant violation of the UN charter.” The fluidity of that claim, depending on US foreign policy interests, is exposed by Biden’s near simultaneous insistence three days earlier that “Taiwan makes their own judgments about their independence. … that’s their decision.” It doesn’t violate the UN charter if it works against China; it violates the UN charter if it works for Russia. Furthermore, the US officially recognizes other annexations, most recently the Moroccan annexation of Western Sahara.”

    But the hypocrisy that most makes Russia boil is Kosovo. In 2008, when Kosovo unilaterally declared independence from Serbia without even the pretense of holding a referendum, the US recognized the declaration against repeated UN resolutions upholding the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia. Sakwa also points out that the US endorsed “the infamous advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice … that Kosovo’s declaration of independence ‘did not violate general international law’.”

    …. I have not yet heard of new Russian plans for the war. But I expect that Russia’s reaction to Ukrainian attacks, as well as to NATO support for them, will soon become way more severe. Previously Putin had said about the war “we haven’t even started yet.”

    I advise everyone to take that seriously.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/ukraine-four-oblasts-join-russia.html

    • Jef Jelten
      Jef Jelten says:

      Russia/Putin et al are not going to keep fighting Ukies for much longer because they understand that is a useless exercise, a waste of time, money and munitions, when the entire “West” is throwing everything they have at Russia via Ukies. Russia will soon start fighting the real enemies IMO.

      Trouble with that is then “the West” gets to say “see… Russia Bad, we need to wipe them out before they take over the world”.

      The only other option for Russia is to give in, bend over and take it. I can’t imagine that they would do this.

      • Withnail says:

        Russia doesnt need to do anything other than stop supplying oil, gas, coal and nuclear fuel. Europe will soon be back in the dark ages and won’t be building any more weapons or fighting any wars.

        • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
          Gail Tverberg says:

          Good point!

        • MM says:

          But that is what the West wants in the first place, did you forget that we seem to be running on empty?

          If Russia diverts the energy to China, we can have them drones build the shit for us to live BAU.
          Money will be printed and stuffed into Xi to buy nothing of value.

        • Oddys says:

          Stupid Ruskies! Who else would strangle their own supply of Mercedes, BMW and Audi than stupid Ruskies? And without ASML there will not be any more PPV camshows.

    • Note well: USA, UK and other NATO states were clamping down on ‘racism’ domestically at the exact same time as they were encouraging open neo-Nazism in UKR so as to organise a force to overthrow the UKR government, to do pogroms in the east, and to threaten Russia, so as to weaken Russia.

      The ‘morality’ of USA, UK and other NATO states is purely a matter of ‘whatever suits those states in the place and time.’ They are not ‘consistent’ even at a given time, in different places, let alone through time.

      The Western bourgeois states promote ‘anti-racism’ domestically today purely because that facilitates labour expansion in the domestic economy; they promoted ‘racism’ (although it was not called that at the time) before they lost their Empires, as that helped to ‘justify’ imperialist occupation, domination and exploitation. Whatever suits them in the place and time.

      (Originally the term ‘racism’ was used to describe local movements in the occupied imperial colonies who developed perspectives centered on the interests of the locals and in opposition to imperialist domination. It originally denoted a threat to the power of the imperialist states – and it continues to do so, but in new circumstances.)

      So, a ‘moral consistency’ on the part of states has never been a serious proposition.

      States manipulate citizens with ideas of ‘moral truth’ but that will be whatever ‘principles’ suit the state at the time, eg. ‘state sovereignty’, ‘regional self-determination to independence’.

      Consistency’ is a secondary consideration b/c ‘truth must be consistent’ and ‘moral laws’ must be consistently applied. But the states are ‘playing’ everyone for a ‘fool’, and most people dispose themselves to ‘fall’ for it, through their own naivety and bias, so they have no one to ‘blame’ but themselves.

      But, the world is what it is, humans are what they are, and history is what it is… and the states have to work with that. And it is not like we in the West do not benefit from state machinations. And any other world is imaginary, at least in this day and age?

      • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
        Gail Tverberg says:

        Consistency is something that is talked about, but as you point out, not necessarily practiced. Whatever is convenient in a given situation is more important.

      • Tim Groves says:

        I am a bit of stickler for consistency myself.

        That’s why I never entered politics.

        Mirror, that was a very informative post. Thank you.

  24. NomadicBeer says:

    Gail et al,
    Now that the uptake of the latest “dog shit” injection is only about 1.x% in USA, is it time to move on to the next psyop?
    And do you think it was a great success or a failure?

    I mean, on the one hand, the governments keep giving pharma corps billions by pretending to buy the injections and then pretending to throw them away (I doubt they are even made anymore – why waste money on it?).

    On the other hand I have to admit I was wrong. I was almost certain there is some genocidal agenda with the jabs but if that’s the case, it was a horrible failure. Yes the death rate increased a bit but it would not make a dent in the population in time unless the long term death rate is >10% per annum.

    So what’s next? Any suggestions? I know the oligarchs are reading this hoping to get some idea for the next one.
    Remember the UFO leaks last summer? That didn’t pan out. The Ukraine might escalate and Europe will return to the middle ages but is that enough?

    So, bring your ideas. I bet if it’s good enough you might even get a job in Gates Foundation with an impressive title like “Executioner in Chief”.

    • drb753
      drb753 says:

      Yes, these elders who we are supposed to fear showed themselves to be quite ineffective (unless you are Fast Eddy). On to round 2.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Why would you fear the Elders?

        Does the chicken fear the farmer?

        They are kind to you – they make sure you are fed – you get 1000 cable Tee Vee Channels… they gave you social media …

        The Elders love you… like a farmers loves a chicken.

        Oh and man has never walked on the moon – many reasons but a big one is that the Earth has a band of radiation surrounding it that will kill anything that enters it. It also fries high tech equipment. NASA says so:

        • when a moreon writes “they can’t get passed” instead of the correct “they can’t get past”, then such a moreonic post can be dismissed as being from Moreonville.

          moreontypical moreonish moreonlike moreonisms.

          • Tim Groves says:

            When a pedant mistakes dyslexia or creative spelling for moreonism, then I say never mind! Shakespeare wasn’t exactly a consistent speller either.

            Sources from William Shakespeare’s lifetime spell his last name in more than 80 different ways, ranging from “Shappere” to “Shaxberd.” In the handful of signatures that have survived, the Bard never spelled his own name “William Shakespeare,” using variations or abbreviations such as “Willm Shakp,” “Willm Shakspere” and “William Shakspeare” instead.

            However it’s spelled, Shakespeare is thought to derive from the Old English words “schakken” (“to brandish”) and “speer” (“spear”), and probably referred to a confrontational or argumentative person.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            It would take a serious MOREON to make such a MOREONIC comment

        • Mac
          Agamemnon says:

          Odd what he says but he’d probably elaborate by saying we just need to take much less risk.

          I’d think at least 1 astronaut would say so but it’s good to be skeptical.

          https://scienceinfo.net/van-allens-belt-and-evidence-that-the-apollo-11-mission-to-the-moon-was-myth.html

          light is located between radio waves and ultraviolet rays in the electron magnetic spectrum (wavelength of 400-760 nanometers). Therefore, any new type of film leaving the earth, going through the Van Allen belt to reach the moon will be completely destroyed

          But In part 2:
          However, the inner and outer trajectories of Apollo will cut the outer parts of the inner belt, and because of the high speed Apollo takes only 15 minutes to cross the area, and less than 2 hours to tape through much less radioactive area is the outer belt (the speed of Apollo according to NASA documents is 25 thousand km / h).

          As a result, the radiation exposure of a round trip (trip) is still less than 1% of the lethal level – a very small risk between the much greater risks of such flights. I made these estimates in the early 1960s and informed NASA engineers in charge of planning Apollo flights. These estimates are still reliable “.

          Thus, the total time Apollo passed through the Van Allen belts was about two hours. Apollo 11’s trajectory was also calculated to avoid the strongest radiation areas, according to journalist Amy.

          Apollo 11’s trajectory was calculated to avoid the strongest radiation areas.(Photo: NASA).

    • Lidia17 says:

      I’m still placing bets on future fertility issues.

      Nomadic, are you in the US? Here, it seems like it’s mostly over, but other countries still have varying degrees of totalitarian edicts in place. In the US, there are still schools and jobs requiring the boosters.

      Bill Gates says “hung election and civil war”, and he hasn’t been wrong so far.

    • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
      Gail Tverberg says:

      1. I think we are headed toward failing pension plans and attempts to bail them out. The attempted bail out of pension plans and banks with derivatives protecting these pension plans could lead to hyperinflation in Europe and perhaps other areas.

      2. If we don’t have hyperinflation from all of the bailouts, there is danger of a debt bubble collapse bringing down banks and making credit pretty much unavailable. Asset values are likely to fall, as well.

      3. There also seems to be a problem with Boeing’s MAX production and deliveries, that may result in airlines being forced to cut back on their flight schedules, for lack of planes meeting standard required for flying.

      If you remember Boeing’s 737 Max suffered two major crashes in 2018 and 2019. these planes were subsequently grounded, and work done to try to figure out what exactly was wrong. Problems with this plane seem to continue. A recent story is
      https://simpleflying.com/ryanair-ceo-boeing-737-max-delivery-plans/

      Ryanair CEO Not Convinced Boeing Will Meet 737 MAX Delivery Plans

      With all of this going on, many of the airlines that ordered Boeing 737 MAX planes to replace old planes that need to be retired, are not being delivered according to plan.

      4. I can easily imagine problems with actually making and delivering the many EV vehicles that are planned. Supply chains won’t work well enough.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Be patient – are you in a rush to die?

  25. “Staring down the barrel.” “Gas supply emergency.” “Blackouts.”

    That sounds pretty serious.

    > Britain ‘faces a gas supply emergency’: Energy regulator warns of ‘significant risk’ of gas shortages over winter as experts predict supplies could drop to 5% after Russia tightened the taps

    Britain could be staring down the barrel of gas shortages this winter, regulator Ofgem has warned as the supply from Russia to Europe has been all but cut off. In a letter, the regulator said the country might face a ‘gas supply emergency’.

    Great Britain produces a lot of its own gas, but the majority is still imported. It has pipeline connections to Norway, which supplies a large amount of the country’s gas. Britain imported very little Russian gas before the war, but will still be affected by the shortages likely to be faced in Europe.

    During winter cold snaps Britain normally imports gas from storage sites in mainland Europe – it has very little storage of its own. But now European countries are likely to need this gas themselves after losing the supply from Russia.

    Ofgem wrote in the letter obtained by The Times: ‘Due to the war in Ukraine and gas shortages in Europe, there is a significant risk that gas shortages could occur during the winter 2022/23 in Great Britain.

    ‘As a result, there is a possibility that GB could enter into a gas supply emergency.’

    And according to the International Energy Agency (IEA), a long and chilly winter – or a late cold snap similar to the 2018 ‘Beast from the East’ – could see the amount of gas in storage across the EU drop as low as five per cent this year.

    There are fears this could lead to blackouts in Europe, with the IEA warning storage levels need to remain at 33 per cent until the Spring for ‘a safe and secure winter’.

    And in a stark warning, the Paris-based intergovernmental group today said it could ‘not be ruled out’ that Russia could cut turn off the tap completely.

    The IEA, whose members include the UK and the US, warns European countries could wind up competing with Asia to ship in already scarce and expensive liquid gas (LNG).

    The Paris-based IEA said in its quarterly gas report, released on Monday that European Union countries would need to reduce use by 13 per cent over the winter in case of a complete Russian cutoff amid the war in Ukraine.

    Businesses in Europe have already cut back natural gas use, sometimes simply by abandoning energy-intensive activity such as making steel and fertilizer, while smaller businesses like bakeries are feeling a severe crimp in their costs.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11274265/Europe-faces-unprecedented-risks-gas-supplies-winter-warns-International-Energy-Agency.html

    • CTG says:

      Let us wait and see if UK and EU suffers from the same issue as Sri Lanka – always 1 day of fuel left but still did not collapse.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Small businesses cannot function under these conditions. “Tom Kerridge, the celebrity chef, revealed that the annual energy bill at his pub has soared from £60,000 to £420,000 and warned that ‘ludicrous’ price rises left the hospitality sector facing a ‘terrifying landscape’,” reports Telegraph.

        https://brownstone.org/articles/a-world-on-fire/

        If this is real – then he’s closing his doors. And the economy is f789ed. How many small businesses have £350,000 of excess cash flow to pay this bill? Even if it was possible this would suck so much money out of the economy that it would go to pieces…

        Professional investors would be shorting the living daylights out of everything because profits would collapse under the weight of this.

        • CTG says:

          Xabier and those living in UK, if electricity bill goes up 5x, it is a disaster for business. do you see shops closing left and right? You should see practically every business closing down.

          I think it has been 1-2 months since the high bills come into effect.

          If you don’t see it, then this scenario will be another “Sri Lanka”..

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Perhaps Xabier can provide us with details of what is happening in the UK.

            I’d ask norm but he won’t answer

            • Xabier says:

              Gladly, FE. In summary:

              Feels like an early winter, and some signs it might well be a cold one.

              Shops are more or less fully-stocked, but ominous signs like whole product categories disappearing for a few weeks, or getting very thin indeed on the shelves. Ditto online.

              eg Flour, sugar, chicken, fish.

              Dairy and cheap meat no problem. Veg a bit erratic.

              But the aisles are packed full of Xmas merchandise!

              The usual efficient Monday re-stocking of supermarkets is often delayed.

              Freezer breakdowns take longer to repair.

              All things never seen before here.

              Online orders arrive on time as usual.

              Motorway is humming with heavy goods vehicles.

              Builders doing renovations and extensions very busy.

              Butane gas cartridges have gone up 50% in price, and are sold out in many stores anyway.

              As for me I’ve just recovered from cracking 3 ribs, my wine cellar is full, the chorizo store bulging, and my axes are sharp!

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Cracked ribs!!!

              Did norm send Super Snatch to fight you for calling him a nasty old fool? Gotta be careful with SS – she is actually a man on hormones and a pretend vagine… she packs a bigger wallop that one might expect and she head butts.

              norm you are not only a nasty old fool – you are a coward – how dare you send SS to fight your battles.

              I did two on the ski hill a few months ago – I had to stop reading norm’s posts cuz even grimacing was painful… and normally just reading them without the rib injuries is painful already….

              Hope that’s come right for you. I’d recommend a sliver of C-Fent — to numb the pain… but no more than that or you might miss The Big Show.

            • CTG says:

              See no shops closing even if electricity is up 5x. Impossible any business would be operating.

              Collapse will not happen in Q4 or may not happen at all…

              Maybe they just switch off the simulation….

            • Fast Eddy says:

              When everything is fake it’s hard to know what’s real

            • i think that’s the most unfake, true, accurate, honest comment you’ve ever made on ofw eddy.

            • Xabier says:

              Further on UK: empty retail in god locations is certainly taking ages to fill, but no sudden closures so far, in the town centre at least, except one long-established barber shop.

              Restaurants seem to be packed and open full-time: the % of these in the centre is very high obviously, many of course belonging to chains, so in 3 months it might well look like a mouth with most of the teeth punched out, as they get out of their leases in the New Year.

              The pub in the next village now opens only Friday – Sunday, because of power costs, but it’s not a good location.

              But really one would have no idea, just strolling about the place, of any impending crisis. People don’t even look stressed.

              I just received a butane delivery for which I selected the cheapest delivery option ‘in 3-5 days’; it arrived next day. Does this imply perhaps the couriers are not very busy?

              Today the supermarket had absolutely none of the brioche and other French bakery products which are normally stacked deep: I think there was an article here about the big company that makes them having problems? Looks as though it was correct.

              It’s the End of the World, but no-one notices….

            • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
              Gail Tverberg says:

              Right! Unless the Main Stream Media have an announcement in big bold letters, no one notices.

        • Xabier says:

          When a friend shut down his hedge fund he thought about opening a restaurant in London – I think Mayfair, or Kensington – as a kind of hobby: what shocked him was the very narrow profit-margin of such businesses.

          He’d found an excellent Italian maitre d’ and head chef, and location, but dropped the idea as not being worth the hassle for such slim pickings, even as a vanity project.

          It also left him with the greatest respect for the kitchen and waiting staff who work so hard for comparatively little, even if well-paid by industry standards – and he would have paid well being very decent.

          It was a pity, as the chef was apparently superb and I had looked forward to free lunches with the boss…..

  26. Student says:

    (Jerusalem Post)

    “‘Iran will seek economic, cultural ties with Israel’ – Iranian prince.
    I interviewed Prince Reza Pahlavi, the son of the last Iranian shah, to understand more about what Iran may look like should there be a successful revolution.
    Pahlavi sits in his office in Washington.

    https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-718771

    (Times of Israel)

    “Iran’s supreme leader blames Israel, US in first public comment on protests
    Khamenei says he was ‘heartbroken’ by the death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini, but sharply condemns the protests as a foreign plot to destabilize the Islamic Republic”

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/irans-supreme-leader-blames-israel-us-in-rare-public-response-to-protests/

    • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
      Gail Tverberg says:

      I am suspicious that this lady giving the report of pharmaceutical collusion is a fraud.

      When I look her up, I find a picture of a lady who looks much like her, https://www.crunchbase.com/person/alexandra-latypova, who is supposedly Co-Founder, Executive Vice President, and and Director of a company called Clerio Vison. This is a company making contact lenses and related products, but it doesn’t list her among key employees. https://www.cleriovision.com

      I listed to the first few minutes of a close to 1.5 hour video. The testimony sounds like it might be too over-the-top to be true.

      • Student says:

        The host of the program is a contributor of the famous lawyer Dr. Reiner Fuellmich, who, by the way, did nothing at all with his pharaonic legal process…
        I remember her very well.
        I don’t know if that can help, but I wanted to tell you.

        • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
          Gail Tverberg says:

          Do you have better information than I found about the lady giving the testimony?

          • Student says:

            No, sorry. Just to avoid misunderstanding, I’m referring to the blond lady who presents at the beginning of the program.
            I’m almost sure that she is one of the contributors of Dr. Reiner Fuellmich works.
            I saw her during his videos.
            Maybe I’m wrong, but I have the same opinion of Thierry, anyway mine is not a good opinion of Fuellmich.
            Therefore, if she is the same blond lady, I’m not confident of the video.
            Thierry’s comment is here:
            https://ourfiniteworld.com/2022/09/20/ramping-up-renewables-cant-provide-enough-heat-energy-in-winter/comment-page-11/#comment-391115

            • Fast Eddy says:

              If you visit the website – P-orn-hub.cum (I just thought of that.. how do I get to own all those domains and sell them to the p-orn sites?)…. type in her name — then be-stiality.

              Bingo. She’s apparently quite famous in what is a fairly niche genre.

          • Tsubion says:

            Research Peter Daszak and his connections to Fauci and the gain of function technique for creating bioweapons.

            They are all carrying on as if no harm done and with lucrative research grants incoming.

            Francis Boyle is also an interesting character to look into – wrote the bioweapon lab rules back in the 80s I think.

            Doesn’t mean any of their research actually amounts to anything – other than creating the illusion of tranmissible disease through mass poisoning in order to proift from treatments – but it’s relevant in this case to understanding how the fraud is carried out in front of the whole world.

            Some of these other people coming forward with information have indeed been shown to be somewhat fraudulent. They always have good knowledge of the topic but are maybe jumping on the bandwagon for a little fame and fortune. Others are simply sowing propaganda to create confusion.

            Doesn’t mean that what they’re saying is wrong but it does muddy the waters when their credentials don’t meet people’s expectations.

            One thing I will say… you won’t find the truth on this subject by listening to industry trained PHDs and govt mouthpieces. They are all heavily indoctrinated with the lie.

            Neither will you find any truth in the mountains of data provided by these fraudulent, criminal organisations such as the CDC, WHO, and most of the “respected” medical journals. They are all guilty of garbage in – garbage out.

            One needs to read the history of virology and vaccination (independent sources) to know how much we’ve all been lied to.

            Most people can’t handle the truth.

            Lies are more comfortable.

    • MM says:

      Actually totally unknown to many and memory holed the German Physician Heiko Schöning made an interview several months before c9/11 claiming that a pandemic was in the making.
      https://apolut.net/heiko-schoening/
      (geman)
      He concluded that from activities of entities behind the Anthrax scam.
      Emergent Biosolutions is close to the core of that.
      His (german) book is here:
      https://www.amazon.de/GAME-OVER-Covid-19-Anthrax-01-Deutsche/dp/9493262073

      It claims to have all the names and their connections.
      Schöning has done some interviews but his real world impact is quite small…

      Fuellmich coming up with that little information at episode 124 as well as the eloquent lady wasting 1.5 hrs of time of the spectators is quite an insult.
      It seems Fuellmich and Schöning do not want to talk to each other….

      Independent of the other disputers in the ICIC, it has basically achieved nothing. As it was planned in the first place?
      It managed to steer the resistance quite well.
      Suddenly a Desmet shows up and so on…

      • Tsubion says:

        Fuellmich says he’s going to continue without the frump.

        Says she was actually holding things back and is lying about him.

        Who could have guessed something like this would happen to our heroic team of lawyers!

        All I can say is that African presidents died suddenly after proving that the coof was a hoax.

        Big Pharmafia don’t mess around. Why would they tolerate a commitee investigating their works?

        • Xabier says:

          But that Committee has achieved nothing at all in two years, not really any kind of threat to Big Harma.

          As far as the general public is concerned, it doesn’t even exist.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Frumpy!

      She should put her name in to be featured on a reality make-over episode.

      • Tsubion says:

        I always thought the hair thing was a bit much!

        Fuellmich says she has issues. I’m inclined to believe his side of the story. Question? Why would these two get together in the first place for something so “important?”

        Surely the “partnership” would consist of people that already knew and trusted each other as with any run of the mill law firm.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          he probly met her Out Back the Dumpster on a drunken night on the town … she took some vids… and asked for a partnership in the firm otherwise…

          She has that look of a Dumpster h-ooker.

  27. Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
    Gail Tverberg says:

    The WSJ has an article China Is Rerouting U.S. Liquefied Natural Gas to Europe at a Big Profit
    Sluggish economy lets Chinese energy companies benefit from high global prices

    With demand down, Chinese companies that signed long-term contracts to buy U.S. liquefied natural gas are selling the excess and making hundreds of millions of dollars per cargo. Buyers include Europe, Japan and South Korea. Just 19 LNG vessels from the U.S. docked in China in the first eight months of the year, compared with 133 for the same period last year.

    China is getting nearly 30% more gas from Russia so far this year, Chinese customs data show. The boost is due to a scheduled delivery increase from the Power of Siberia pipeline and from purchases of Russian LNG, typically at a steep discount, shipping data shows.

    Chinese sales to Europe are too small to help the continent avoid potential shortages this winter. But they provide a possible preview of Moscow’s increased reliance on Beijing.

    I would point out that a major use for natural gas in China is to provide home heating in winter. I believe that this is mostly by providing extra electricity supply in winter, to operate heat pumps used by homes and businesses. China doesn’t have much natural gas storage. So while China may have a surplus of natural gas for now, there is no guarantee that it will have a surplus in the middle of winter, when it is being burned so that homes and businesses can have heat.

  28. Jef Jelten
    Jef Jelten says:

    It seems that the EU is putting a lot of hope in Northsea Nat Gas. I am not sure that that represents any significant solution.

  29. The 1800-year-old inscription, consisting of 3 pieces of marble, found in the excavations in the ancient city of Aigai in western Turkey’s province of Manisa, was deciphered.

    The translated marble inscription describes the Aigai people’s distress as a result of Roman tax officials’ practices.
    In the inscription, it is stated that the people of Aigai sent an envoy named ‘Fortunatus’ to the Roman emperor, reporting their complaint about the different collection of taxes from goat skin by each collector and demanding that this situation be resolved. It turned out that the Roman Emperor, who took into account the complaints and demands of the Aigai people, fixed the taxes taken from goat skin at a rate of 1 in 6 and stated that he would punish the tax collectors who did not comply with this rule.
    The inscription confirms that the basis of the city’s economy was based on goats and goat skins,” he said.
    Associate Professor Sezgin continued: “Aigai literally means goat. It is geography suitable for goat breeding in its geography. For the first time, we have come to a situation where we can saying this with an inscription. It is an inscription written 1800 years ago and it was placed in the parliament. It must be one of the most important issues of the city. Determining the taxes collected by the Roman emperors and fixing them. Thanks to the inscription, the city’s relationship with goat skin confirmed our theories that the city’s economy was based on goat skin. In this respect, it is an important inscription that we have newly presented to the world of science.”

    Death and taxes

    • Withnail says:

      Too much of a tax burden because productivity was declining. If they were farming goats then the land was likely severely depleted. Goats are the last stage before land is abandoned.

      • drb753
        drb753 says:

        Before coming to Russia I gave my home country one last chance. I visited a pretty area in a national park in Southern Italy where I could buy land and a home for not much. But on a hike one day I discovered that up in the mountains the land was incredibly overgrazed (by goats). It was either stone or millimeter long grass. the only plants that were not grazed were rose bush, bracken (deadly to livestock), and thistles with spines the like of which I had never seen before. Italy has energy problems, but they are not the only ones of course.

        • reante
          reante says:

          What month was that when you took your hike drb?

          • drb753
            drb753 says:

            August. what difference does it make?

            • reante
              reante says:

              Just curious since I graze animals myself. Feeding out a full hay ration in summer week after week because of seasonal drought, can be discouraging when fall and winter haven’t even started yet. Tempting to make the goats clean their plate. Maybe it was a bad hay year. Or maybe it’s just the most efficient way for the herders to manage their particular situations despite the suboptimal grazing practice. It’s hard to see fields eaten down to a nub though. It means the animals are having to eat grass they’ve shit and pissed on which they don’t like to do.

            • drb753
              drb753 says:

              No, the area is mostly wooded. It was just roaming shepherds, tragedy of the commons (the areas I saw were public), and overpopulation with respect to resources.

            • reante
              reante says:

              If the area was mostly wooded then who cares if the grasses are eaten to a nub? The woods don’t care, and it’s a woodland. Grasses grow so sparesely in woodland, you put goats in there and the grasses will be almost gone in an instant. Most of them are probably annual grasses anyway, which can’t be overgrazed, because perennial grasses can’t adapt to changing the shade patterns of the forest canopy from year to year. The cooler woods are where you stick the animals in late summer if you want them to eat something green, and it’s where they often go themselves for the same reasons. Also serves as fire suppression.

              This is zero-input perennial pastoralism we’re talking about here. Unless you’re sure that these herders are damaging that ecology, why are you picking on the highest form of agriculture that there is, instead of the bulldozed grounds we call cropfields, that get run through a blender every year? Is it beause these pastoralists seem like they’re freeloading to you or something? Is that what it is?

              Like I said to Norman the other day, it’s one thing to see civilization broadly for the lie that it is, and it’s another thing entirely to see civilizations lies for what they are.

              ‘Inbreeding’ is a multikulti lie and ‘tragedy of the commons’ is a neoliberal lie.

              https://climateandcapitalism.com/2008/08/25/debunking-the-tragedy-of-the-
              commons/

            • drb753
              drb753 says:

              Above about 1700 meters it was all grass, no trees, eaten to a nub. Along creek valleys there were grassy areas, same. Met a number of shepherds with goats or cows in the trails. Still, this was by far the worst overgrazing I had seen, although I admit I have never been to Africa.

            • reante
              reante says:

              Ok cool thanks drb. Obviously overgrazing isn’t best practice. And it doesn’t maximize productivity of grasslands (pounds of meat per acre) , but under mowing-free (non-industrial), zero-input paradigms, it works serviceably well, as much as we don’t like to see the grass eaten to a nub at the end of the seasonal drought when the grasses stopped growing because they hadn’t had water in months. For graziers in compacted ecologies, that’s called working the ground hard in the growing season, because that’s your growing season, and the browned-off grasses of late summer is your standing hay. And there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with that. I work my pastures hard but not down to a nub if I can help it, but you can’t always help it – the animals have preferences and will eat some grasses to a nub before eating others to six inches, whether it’s because of the species of grass or manure/urine contamination, or it’s just a sweet spot in the ground and everything tastes good there.

              These people were clearly practicing traditional transhumance, and that’s a wonderful thing. I would love to be able to do that. Instead I have 800ft of elevation gain on my property and so I like to think i practice ‘micro-transhumance.’ and my top pasture does hold up longer in summer, all things considered. High ground is where you go in summer. In the fall they’ll presumably go back down and wont return again until late spring, when everything will be fully recovered. We have to remember that grasses and forbs adapt to hard-grazing habits. The bunchgrasses go away because their crowns don’t regrow fast enough and the tillering bluegrasses and clovers and the like persist. Graze clover to a nub in late summer and I looks like nothing is there, just bare ground. But it bounces right back. Same with alfalfa hay fields – for the final cutting of hay they cut at zero inches, and if you didn’t know any better, from a distance you’d think you were looking at tilled ground.

              Still, maybe it was a poor growing year. Maybe it wasn’t. Maybe they were
              overstocked and surely not happy with the situation themselves. Most small holders around here have chronically overgrazed pastures and the economics of it work out favorably, in part because other than hay costs there’s zero inputs, and you can still get seven months equivalent of free, mediocre forage, and the hay you buy is mediocre and cheap, and that’s why black Angus and Hereford cattle are ubiquitous, because they can handle the mediocrity. And it works. At least they’re raising their own, on grass.

          • Withnail says:

            There are people in Italy who just have a herd of goats and nothing else. No land, no permanent home. The human family roams around with the goats.

            That’s who drb is referring to.

    • kulmthestatusquo
      kulmthestatusquo says:

      Given the times it is likely that before the Aigaian envoy reached back home the Emperor was already dead and the tax collectors would have continued their businesses.

      The local authority is much more powerful than the central govt which is far away during times of crisis.

  30. Forty-four pure gold coins were recently found hidden in a wall during excavations at the Banias archaeological site within the Hermon River nature reserve in the north of the country, the Israel Antiques Authority said Monday.

    The hoard, weighing about 170 grams, was found stashed within the base of an ashlar stone wall.
    Archaeologists assessed that the treasure was hidden by its owner during the Muslim Conquest of the area in 635 CE.

    “The discovery reflects a specific moment in time, when we can imagine the owner concealing his fortune in the threat of war, hoping to return one day to retrieve his property,” excavation director Yoav Lerer said in a statement. “In retrospect, we know that he was less fortunate.”

    “The discovery of the coin hoard may also shed light on the economy of the city of Banias during the last 40 years of Byzantine rule,” Lerer said.

    Some of the coins were identified as being minted by Emperor Phocas (602–610 CE) and others by Emperor Heraclius (610–641 CE). The latest of the Heraclius coins were dated to the time of the Muslim Conquest.

    Israel Antiquities Authority coin expert Gabriela Bijovsky said the Emperor Heraclius coins are of particular interest because they depict a time-lapse record of his family.

    “In his early years as emperor, only his portrait was depicted on the coin, whereas after a short time, the images of his sons also appear,” she explained. “One can actually follow his sons growing up – from childhood until their image appears the same size as their father, who is depicted with a long beard.”

    IAA Director Eli Escosido said the hoard was of particular importance because “it dates to an important transitional period in the history of the city of Banias and the entire region of the Levant.”

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/dozens-of-gold-coins-discovered-in-secret-cache-dating-from-muslim-conquest/amp/

    Yes, nothing has changed …many stackers are hiding their stash like this and it will be hidden away….perhaps forevermore

    • Xabier says:

      I read the Dark Age poem ‘Beowulf’ again after many years, and a point I hadn’t noticed before struck me.

      Beowulf in old age dies fighting a dragon guarding a golden hoard – helmets, jewellery weapons, as well as coins.

      The hoard was buried by the last survivor of a great race, with the intention that, when rediscovered, the people of the future would marvel and say ‘They must have been great indeed to have owned such wealth!’

      Which of course is exactly what we do when we put such treasures in museums and go to gawp at them.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        One regret I have is not living for some months in London … and spending my days in the British Museum…

        • Xabier says:

          That would have been a good use of time in London: the BM is a summary of human history pre-Tech.

          In my Guardian days I used to live just around the corner, so rainy days were usually BM days.

          Fantastic stuff in there, all looted by Wicked Imperialists of course, so I should be ashamed of having enjoyed it….

          The museum here in Cambridge is a kind of mini version of all the great London museums and galleries,so quite nice, and wit some real masterpieces; although I refused to visit it when masks were required, even though I could have got a ‘sunflower’ badge exemption. It made me too angry to see an artist friend who is a guard there suffocating under her mask.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Speaking to a few family members over the weekend — they can sense something is very wrong … but they are comforting themselves by saying it’s just a recession

            It’s kinda like how Doomie Ps comfort themselves by making up nonsense about the ponds… oh they are so far away — I can take iodine and I’ll be fine… or the wind never blows from that direction …

            I get it – people want to remain hopeful…..

    • Withnail says:

      Many hoards like this are found in the UK at former Roman villa sites.

      I don’t believe they were buried because of the threat of invasion by the Saxons. I think the sites were being abandoned because the land had been farmed to death. The owners hoped to return and farm them again once the land had recovered, but it took centuries.

  31. CTG says:

    Shocking Letter Reveals UK Blackout Fear As NatGas Supplies Could Be Cut In “Emergency”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/shocking-letter-reveals-uk-blackout-fear-natgas-supplies-could-be-cut-emergency

    Klaxon sounding…..

    • D. Stevens says:

      I wonder if burst pipes will become a problem for places which until now had a stable supply of electricity and NatGas. A lot of homes and businesses might be uninhabitable without functioning plumbing and supplies of replacement parts unavailable.

    • Yorchichan says:

      I’m not worried, because the power station near me, which happens to be the largest power station in the UK, runs entirely on green renewable energy:

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-63089348

    • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
      Gail Tverberg says:

      This article says:

      “In the event that GB reaches Stage 2 in this procedure, Firm Load Shedding of gas would be applied to the largest gas users connected to the gas system. This will likely be large gas-fired power stations which produce electricity to the National Electricity Transmission System (‘NETS’).”

      This seems to be standard. It is a big problem cutting off individual homes from natural gas supply, and then turning them back on again. Even small businesses might be a problem in this regards. Cutting off electricity is easy, but it leads to blackouts, which people would not like at all.

      People with electric heat would be worst off, because they would have no way of heating.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        nuke them then freeze those who are still alive — also starve them

      • MM says:

        I do not think that consumer gas appliances are explosion proof with a start stop gas supply.
        You would need to get a technician to overlook that.
        Also the age distribution of appliances makes the risk difficult to calculate.
        Industry grade may cope better with that.
        A small startup explosion in the furnace will not do too much damage. For a residential building that could damage the roof.
        Residential buildings going poof does not make good news to prevent ROF.

  32. CTG says:

    From 2 pages before this page…

    Reante, FE does not need to explain to you what you need to learn on your own. There is no need for links for you to read. A person who is truly aware need no links or ideas or convincing from others. They will do it on their own and come out with their own ideas.

    On the Titanic, some people rushed to you and said that the ship is sinking. You asked him for proof and evidence. This an extraordinary claim and requires extra ordinary evidence. It would not be long be fore the evidence becomes clear when the ship listed.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Ships sink all the time, so it was not an extraordinary claim, regardless of whether it was true or not. What evidence does the claim require? The deck is beginning to tilt away from the horizontal. Or the portholes are getting nearer to the ocean. Or there is a big hole in the deck below the waterline and water is pouring in. Any and all of those observations would count as evidence.

      If on the Titanic, some people rushed to you and said that the ship was not a real ship but was in fact a simulation and so were all who sailed in it, that would be an extraordinary claim and so it would require extraordinary evidence.

      In fact, I can’t imagine what evidence could be presented that would make a strong case for the ship and its passengers and crew being a simulation. How would the scene appear different to an observer such as a passenger if the ship was a simulation rather than being physically real?

      • reante
        reante says:

        The observer’s piss and shit would be red, from the pill. 🙂

        Great comment, Tim.

      • Absolutely.

        The likely ‘move’ would be to point to supposed ‘glitches’ in the ‘matrix’, supposed ‘inconsistencies’ in reality, like an inconsistent application of physical laws or the discontinuity of historical flow.

        But even so, the fundamental problem remains. They postulate that ‘reality’ must be like so and so, therefore this is not it. But does it have to be like so and so? What would be the evidence for that if not the apparent world?

        It is the old chestnut between ‘appearance’ and ‘reality’ or the ‘two worlds’ theory. But only ‘appearance’ can be ‘known’ or engaged with in any way. A ‘true world’ beyond ‘appearance’ can never be encountered, and nothing can be known or said about it, even its supposed ‘existence’. Thus it cannot be said that the ‘true world’ is so and so and this is not it.

        Also the supposed ‘glitches’ are explicable as fraud, misrepresentation or a simple attempt to leverage the limits of human understanding.

        Basically some people watched popular movies, like the Matrix Franchise, and attempted to engage with old themes of sceptical philosophy without any actual background in the subject. I tend to just leave them to it, because there is little point in expecting the entire populace to have a solid grounding in any subject let alone that one.

        As a side note, it seems possible that a ‘belief’ in ‘two worlds’ has somewhat been bred into the human population through the gradual elimination of ‘unbelievers’ as ‘heretics’, ‘infidel’ &c. It seems possible that humanity has been basically ‘mad’ for a very long time; or ‘sanity’ has not quite ever been reached. If so, then some make resort to Matrix themes in lieu of religion; they are just disposed to ‘believe’ in ‘two worlds’ and that thus finds expression. In other social settings, they would happily be lighting candles before statues of supposed otherworldly figures like Mary but they live in largely secularised societies.

        ‘Humans’, what can you do with them?

        • reante
          reante says:

          Nice, Mirror.

          “It seems possible that humanity has been basically ‘mad’ for a very long time; or ‘sanity’ has not quite ever been reached.”

          Animism was and is pure sanity, and sanity is based on pure Reason. All biological life is the result of species-specific, cumulative reasonings (patternings) of past causes and effects in the local ecology.

          Which is exactly why, as you say, there is no other world, because we wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for our sublime, peak (human) patterning (reasoning) abilities of ‘appearances’, and according to that ability in all it’s sober accuracy — meaning minus the ‘mind is playing tricks on me’ psychoses — there is ZERO pattern to be seen for another world.

          • Lidia17 says:

            There is zero pattern to be seen for another world, and yet most people believe in other worlds (lives, dimensions, etc.). So that’s interesting in and of itself.

            • mass formation (pssychosis).

              from the very beginning of h. sapiens.

            • reante
              reante says:

              Not from the beginning of the species, david. from the beginning of civilization. It’s just separation trauma from loss of one’s working relationship with the local ecology. It’s the ontological equivalent of solitary confinement, so the mind turns to imaginary friends and consolation prizes, in order to cope and keep from spiraling downward. It’s a truly frightful condition

            • Xabier says:

              The role of mystical visions in the formation of religions – some without any drugs being used by the way – is grossly under-estimated, in my view.

              These were seen as ‘proof’ of other worlds, planes, etc.

              They were the living core around which habit and superstition, temple priesthoods, etc, later coagulated.

            • reante
              reante says:

              I acknowledge the role of ‘mystical’ visions in religion. Nevertheless, as david said, all religions are mass formation psychoses, to which I’ll add, that function as cultural control (and psychological coping) mechanisms for helping maintain the social dysfunctionality of hierarchical societies.

    • reante
      reante says:

      CTG

      I have no idea what you are talking about.

      What are you talking about?

      • CTG says:

        here is your comment :

        You’re not actually convincing Eddy. Your scenarios are shallow, one-dimensional cartoon versions of reality. They don’t even attempt to account for real life. .. For example, I chose Oregon because the only nuclear fallout from prevailing winds will come from Japan, and only iodine 131 is light enough to be airborne. As you know iodine 131 can be blocked by iodine supplementation. Fukushima was a great test run. We had significant iodine fallout here. Infant mortality rates increased 35% on the west coast in the ten months after Fukushima when compared to the four months before it. I do not eat pacific seafood.

        I think it is best to do your research and convince yourself and not others since others cannot be convinced. This is a lone journey.

        • Tim Groves says:

          “I think it is best to do your research and convince yourself and not others since others cannot be convinced. This is a lone journey.”

          Yes, this comment has merit. Actually, Edward Bernays showed pretty convincingly that you can convince most of the people most of the time about most things. But he was talking about what we refer to as “normies”, and even then he realized you needed a well-oiled propaganda outfit in order to accomplish the task.

          I think OFW is a difficult market in which to sell one’s ideas and the convincing rate here is likely to be low. We may be a bunch of deplorables, but we are not a cult and we are not a bunch of normies. We aren’t here because we go along to get along with the crowd. And we don’t tolerate intellectual salesmen gladly.

          So, I think it is best to do your research and not rely very much on either Jim Jones or Alex Jones, or on hard-sell marketing to try to convince others. If you come up with an idea or a suggestion that proves popular with the regulars here, I would take this as an indication that you may be on the right track.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            The trolls touch down on every new article… but when they encounter the hostile tribe armed with baseball bats screaming KILL KILL KILL… they don’t hang around for long … even though norm pleads with them to stay

  33. Student says:

    (Marittime Executive)

    More migrants for all

    “Norwegian Confirms Talks With NYC for Migrant Housing on Cruise Ship.
    New York may soon join the list of major cities that have chartered cruise ships to augment overflowing shelter systems for migrants.”

    https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/norwegian-confirms-talks-with-nyc-for-migrant-housing-on-cruise-ship

    • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
      Gail Tverberg says:

      If it is possible to use ships as auxiliary hospitals, I suppose it is possible to use them for overflow shelter programs for migrants.

      Cities were renting hotel rooms for homeless people in 2020, so that they would not be catching COVID and spreading it around.

  34. Student says:

    (Marittime Executive)

    Green energy is going great…

    “Wind-Turbine Maker Siemens Gamesa Lays Off 2,900 Workers”

    https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/wind-turbine-maker-siemens-gamesa-lays-off-2-900-workers

    • Withnail says:

      The wind turbines are failing within the warranty period and having to be repaired for free by Siemens, that’s the problem.

      • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
        Gail Tverberg says:

        Do you have any references on this?

    • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
      Gail Tverberg says:

      I found this article from May 2022:

      https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/siemens-energy-turns-gloomier-wind-turbine-problems-mount-2022-05-11/

      FRANKFURT, May 11 (Reuters) – Siemens Energy (ENR1n.DE) warned on Wednesday sales and margins this year would be at the low end of its forecast range due to worsening problems at wind turbine division Siemens Gamesa (SGREN.MC), which has been hit hard by supply chain disruptions.

      Shares in the company, which was spun off from Siemens (SIEGn.DE) in 2020, fell as much as 6.1% to their lowest level since they were separately listed, highlighting the need for a quick structural fix of Spanish-listed Siemens Gamesa.

      When I look at share prices of ENR1n.DE, they have fallen by more than half, since November 2021.

      • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
        Gail Tverberg says:

        When I look up the stock price of Siemens Gamesca, it is doing even worse. It is $3.48, compared to $9.16 on Jan. 8,2021. Thus, the price is down by 62% since Jan. 8, 2021.

        When I look up a competitor, Vastest Wind Systems AS ADR, I find that its price dropped from $17.23 on Jan. 8, 2021 to $6.20 currently, a decline of 64%. I would be inclined to believe that the wind energy industry is not doing well, financially, right now.

        I also found this analysis by the US Department of Energy. https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2022-08/land_based_wind_market_report_2202.pdf

        One of the big problems wind energy seems to be having is that wind energy dumped on the grid cannot get a decent sales price. According to the DOE report:

        The grid-system market value of wind tends to decline with wind penetration, impacted by generation profile, transmission congestion, and curtailment. The regions with the highest wind penetrations (SPP at 35%, ERCOT at 24%, and MISO at 12%) have generally experienced the largest reduction in wind’s value relative to average wholesale prices. In 2021, wind’s value was roughly 40%, 50%, 60%, and 80%, lower than average wholesale prices in NYISO, MISO, SPP, and ERCOT, respectively; but was only roughly 10% lower in ISO-NE and CAISO, and ~20% lower in PJM. These value reductions were primarily caused by a combination of transmission congestion and wind generation profiles that were negatively correlated with wholesale prices. Curtailment had only a minimal impact.

        A price 80% lower than the average wholesale price in ERCOT is dreadful. ERCOT is the Texas grid (but it did have really high electricity prices in 2021, because of a cold snap). 60% lower than wholesale occurred in SSP = Southwest Power Pool, also dreadful. A price 50% lower than wholesale occurred in MISO, which is Midcontinent Independent System Operator. With prices like these, it is hard to see why more wind would be added. Clearly, a whole lot more transmission is needed, at a minimum, but even then, a person has to wonder.

        Regarding Future Outlook, the DOE report says: “Energy analysts project that total annual wind additions will generally decline through 2023 before rebounding.”

        “These projected trends are driven in part by expectations about the expiration of the federal PTC, and by anticipated growth in offshore wind in the mid-2020s.

        The article shows charts indicating that the sale of wind energy (output) generally competes with the expected price of natural gas used for generating electricity, not with the price of the electricity generated by burning natural gas, which is higher. (I suppose this is why the selling price of wind energy is so low, relative to the average wholesale prices of electricity, in the section I quoted.) I would expect that if natural gas prices are increased because of greater exports to Europe, this would tend to encourage the addition of wind turbines.

        • MM says:

          Siemens is big in German offshore.
          The risk premium for a credit there was 8% when I looked last time.
          That makes up for a quite tight calculation.
          I am not sure if it even gets done without subsidies.
          German wind locations are basically used up.
          26.000 installations in Germany.

          The EU did not want to collaborate with northern Africa where they have double the wind as in Germany.
          “We do not want to be dependent on a foreign entity for our energy supply” was all the answers I got speaking to EU representatives on that topic.
          uhm, yeah.

  35. I AM THE MOB says:

    Anyone post this back summer of 2020?

    COD “Black OPS” trailer.

  36. Xabier says:

    A truly grotesque tranny sighting here, FE, among the students who have just come up to start Term.

    Quite a novelty: a tall Indian, possibly muslim, with a big fluffy neck beard! Ugly bugger, too. Really quite stomach-turning.

    Cambridge students ‘the best and the brightest’?

    Too much of this madness and one will long for the Bomb…..

  37. Student says:

    (Msn news)

    NATO warns of mobilization of Russian submarine ‘Belgorod’, carrier of the Weapon of Apocalypse.
    […] NATO fears that its mission is now to test the Poseidon super torpedo, a projectile capable of traveling up to 10,000 kilometers underwater and then exploding near the coast to cause a radioactive tsunami.

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/nato-warns-of-mobilization-of-russian-submarine-belgorod-carrier-of-the-weapon-of-apocalypse/ar-AA12vwXX

    • gpdawson2016
      gpdawson2016 says:

      Thank you Lydia17, JesseJames and drb753 for following up on my startling Mars fact. I am trying to make a point here. Mars does indeed have this strange eight year pattern! drb….you just googled it and got the average!

      When your science teacher told you that Kepler had solved the ‘problem of Mars’ this is the problem he was alluding to.

      I’m going to link this to OFW issues but it’ll take some prompting.

      • drb753
        drb753 says:

        In my case I am the teacher. I doubt that what you say is true, the energy involved to cause such a change is far too great.

        • CTG says:

          So who is correct? Your realities are different… welcome to the simulation… try explaining how to move a 10 ton square granite 5 miles without any modern tech. How many people, how much time and how you can so it easily…

          Sure…. the slaves will do it… how much surplus food you need and what tools..

          “Experts” said slaves used logs, grease and ropes. Same as the experts who said it is safe and effective.

          Mars may have different orbital period. Who knows?

          • drb753
            drb753 says:

            I thought everyone here believed in physical principles but I see that there is quite a fraction of people believing in things that violate physics. Maybe time to move on to greener pastures.

            • NomadicBeer says:

              drb753,
              I don’t “believe” in physical principles. I have painstakingly built over many years an image of the world that includes solid physical principles (like conservation of energy, entropy and so on).
              Of course I formed this image by reading books and learning from others.

              But I have tried to test my image by reading people with vastly different images.

              When I was 14 I was curious so I read one of the creationist books, where they were using science sounding mumbo-jumbo to convince people that the Earth is only 6000 years old.

              Their arguments were so baseless and stupid that I was able to disprove all of them in short notes on the edge of the pages.

              Here is an example of “argument”: The sun cannot be too old because it burns 600 million tons of hydrogen per second!
              Disproof: take the sun’s total mass and see how long it would take to burn completely (of course it won’t burn all its hydrogen but this is a good order of magnitude validation).

              My point is that if your principles are solid, a quick test from time to time does not hurt.

              For what it’s worth, I think the obsession with 9/11 being holograms or aliens or whatever looks to me like the typical way to associate EVERY conspiracy theory with a deluded fantasy.

              Have you noticed that nobody here addressed the fact that no other building in history fell on its exact footprint without special demolition charges?

              But that is too down to Earth for dreamers here…

            • Fast Eddy says:

              And what about this missile?

              https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/47272

              Which would explain why there were not bodies… no seats… no engines… no nothing at the ‘crash site’…

              Again – a zombie cannot compute this — we have all the evidence… but nope – it was a plane – MSM said so

              If MSM now said it’s a missile the zombies would say oh yes of course – it was a missile

          • reante
            reante says:

            CTG

            One pro strongman can pull 100,000lb semi truck trailers. That’s 50tons. Hauling a 10ton rock across flat ground on logs isn’t that big a deal dude. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a job, but by no means impossible. And it’s a good thing it’s a square rock, too.

            • kulmthestatusquo
              kulmthestatusquo says:

              Why don’t you post a video of yourself doing that so everyone is convinced?

            • Fast Eddy says:

              How Did Incas Carry & Carve Granite?

              Most of the granite rocks used in Machu Picchu’s construction weigh well over 50 pounds. Scholars still have no clue how people who didn’t have the technology of a wheel could have pushed these rocks up the steep Andean mountainside. The mainstream theory is, however, that hundreds of men must have worked together to push these rocks up the peak.

              Even more impressive than the fact that the Incas got the rocks up Machu Picchu is that all of these stone structures were carved using the most primitive tools. Although the Incas lacked steel tools, they were somehow able to fit these stone so tightly together that it’s difficult to fit a piece of paper through them. This is why the buildings are still standing, despite being built at the top of a mountain on an earthquake fault line.

              https://artsandculture.google.com/story/8-unsolved-mysteries-of-machu-picchu/0AKy0UOme0vAJA

            • CTG says:

              Oh my… I never thought that you would mention this

              One pro strongman can pull 100,000lb semi truck trailers

              Unless you are jesting or being sarcastic, this comment does not show that you are aware or at the same level with us.

        • gpdawson2016
          gpdawson2016 says:

          Yet, this is the case! You intuitively sense something is not right with the explanation given by Kepler. Anybody with a brain would, if only they knew the circumstances.

          More to follow.

          • Tim Groves says:

            I’m hooked!

            Gravity is a simple force, but it can produce complex motions.

            Mars can be visualized as falling constantly in a gravitation field. The sun is the main “puller” in this field, but the other planets all do a bit of pulling too.

            And as a result, the orbit of Mars seems to be “like a circle in a spiral, a wheel within a wheel, never ending or beginning, on an ever-spinning reel”, to borrow some poetry.

    • Xabier says:

      I for one am delighted that the Russians have such a weapon: far better in their hands than those of the morally degenerate US/NATO military and politicians, and it might encourage the latter to be somewhat less recklessly aggressive.

      • banned says:

        Hope springs eternal

      • reante
        reante says:

        They’re on the same side. It’s just a false war dialectic to cover for collapse. We can know that because they are all running the same operating system. They’ve all been building each other up for the last 30years at the very least. Pepe Escobar, for example, is just a high-level disinfo agent.

        Problem-reaction-solution.

        I ain’t buying what Pepe’s selling. Pepe with his plethora of on-demand anonymous contacts. It’s like q-anon lite.

        • Thierry Chassine
          Thierry says:

          I agree. Controlled opposition again and again, it’s as old as time. Another one is Reiner Fuellmich. My teacher warned me some time ago that he was a “traitor”. Apparently he had good sources https://www.tageszeitung.it/2022/10/02/die-schlammschlacht-11/
          All those traitors are designed to fail and be culled when TPTB need it. Then the people who followed them lose hope.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          We know they are on the same side because if Russia really wanted to wage war on Uke-land … it would be over in a week.

          • MM says:

            This is not so easy.
            The claim is they want to protect civilians and infrastructure.
            On the other hand, a POW can be navigated to target by WOPR with a slightly personalized version of google maps.

            In some point Fast, me and CTG agree:
            You can no longer tell any truth.
            And we do not even know how long this traces back in our own lives or human history in general.

            It is as it is.

            • MM says:

              Not a POW but a soldier.
              Digitally coordinated you could run swarms of soldiers with some AI augmentation. That can come with a smartphone app.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              But hang on … a couple of months ago I posted video of them blasting away at over a dozen residential towers in a housing complex – while a drone circled…

              Correct me if I am wrong but in many wars they try to not target the civilians -and they do that successfully a blow the f789 out of all the infrastructure that supports the military…

              Oh and doesn’t the Uke land get all their gas from Russia – why not just shut it off completely?

              War Over in a Day.

              It’s so obviously fake… but the MSM says no — and the zombies think what the MSM tells them to think.

            • MM says:

              @Fast:
              exactly.
              There is a lot of talk about not buying gas from Russia but Russian gas is everywhere.

          • reante
            reante says:

            It’s not so simple Eddy to conquer and hold a large country that has a geographically distributed nuclear power industry that’s reliant on a smooth-running electrical grid, especially one that has the full-backing of anglo-zionist machinations.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              No need to hold… just smash their teeth in … kill all the nazi’s … and put in a puppet.

              Where are all the photo journalists — there are none… and most of the clips we get involve staged action – like the one where the dead people get up — like the one where the tanks are blasting away at empty buildings while the drown just happens to be circling

              It’s a fake war – there is nothing left to fight over — the purpose of this ‘war’ is to provide an excuse for out of control energy prices

              It’s quite simple – you seem to want to make up excuses for the obvious.

            • reante
              reante says:

              Eddy, you don’t listen and you don’t like nuance.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Yes but I know when winds blow from a certain direction — I just look out the window and see which direction the trees are bending.

              If you prefer more nuance… how about this:

              Frequency of dry east winds over northwest Oregon and southwest Washington.

              Author(s): Owen P. Cramer
              Year: 1957
              Publication type: Research Paper (RP)

              Primary Station(s): Pacific Northwest Research Station
              Source: USDA Forest Service PNW Old Series Research Paper No. 24: 1-19

              Description

              There is a close relation between occurrences of severe easterly winds and large forest fires in northwest Oregon and southwest Washington. With the east winds comes the dreaded combination of low humidity and high wind that in the past has whipped small fires into conflagrations such as the Tillamook fire of 1933 and the fire that burned Bandon in 1936. These easterly winds are of the foehn type, typically dry because they are downslope winds.

              https://www.fs.usda.gov/treesearch/pubs/26050

            • reante
              reante says:

              I’m well aware of that. These winds originate west of the Rockies.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Oh I see – so the winds from the east (where most of the ponds are)… stop on the east facing side of the Rockies… (cuz wind cannot pass over mountains)… then new winds from the east originating on the west-facing slopes of the Rockies start up again …

              Yes I see… hahahahahaha come on man! Don’t stitch us up

            • reante
              reante says:

              Eddy you’re ‘flat-earthing’ atmospheric realities so that you can mask over your insecurity. Grow up.

    • banned says:

      I wonder which ocean it is. The MSN article link said the Belgorad had just been freed up from “possible nordstream sabotage”. In fairness the Belgorad class IS multi role with special mission capability

      From wiki

      “Special activities platform

      Some sources state that in addition to the Poseidon AUVs, the Belgorod type can also operate as the mother ship for a single nuclear-powered mini-submarine of the 18511 project, otherwise known as Paltus type (Project 1851),[2][39] used for the planting on the seabed of a self-contained mini-nuclear reactor of the ATGU ‘Shelf’ (АТГУ Шельф, abbreviation stands for Атомная турбогенераторная установка – Nuclear Turbo-Generator Device) type.[40] The ATGU Shelf is being developed for autonomous power generation of underwater sensor arrays and the submarine could piggy-back a single ATGU unit at a time, attached to its center deck section. The Belgorod is also planned to operate the Clavesin-2R-RM («Клавесин-2Р-РМ», clavesin is Russian for Harpsichord) unmanned underwater sensor vehicles.[41][2] The loss of the Losharik nuclear mini-submarine after a major fire in 2019 has caused a major setback for the Belgorod programme. At the same time, some sources suggest that the full entry into service of Poseidon may not occur on the submarine until around 2027.[42] ”

      The autonomous AI torpedos are not only fielded by the Belgorad class but by the Russian Oscar class of which Russia has seven operational I believe. Oscar class holds six while Belgorad holds eight. So if all Oscar class are armed with these about 50 of these puppys out there.

      Learn to swim
      https://www.bitchute.com/video/4y4gAc1XaCrC/

    • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
      Gail Tverberg says:

      This super Torpedo sounds pretty awful!

      • banned says:

        I dont think torpedo really encompasses this device. Is it as good as advertised? Unknown. Will it actually be able to navigate? Unknown. Will it be reliable? Unknown.

        A nuclear armed underwater drone.

        IF it is as capable as Russia says- a big if- it really changes the naval nuclear equation. The assumption up to this point is submarines will launch missiles. Considerable effort is spent on hunter subs that try to track the weapon subs acoustically. If a nuclear war starts the hunter subs and other methods are used to eliminate as many of the enemies nuclear weapon subs as possible.

        If these underwater drones can do what they say they can be launched days even months before a nuclear exchange and be programmed to go somewhere and sit on a piece of ocean floor that is suitable till a pre programmed time then proceed to the target. The entire ocean becomes a multiple position launching point that is unlikely to be tracked or detected.
        If Russia posses a number of them subs could even make multiple trips deploying these drones. That’s unlikely. Russia may only have less than a dozen. If they have 50 Thats enough for every single important ocean front target to be targeted in both the USA and Europe. This is overlapping the certainty of Russian Hypersonic weapon delivery which it also probably doesn’t have in large numbers. What these weapons do is insure that their will be some nuclear strikes omost certainly delivered regardless of countermeasures using physical principles that are hard to beat. Tracking and targeting missiles that are moving upwards of MACH 10 not in a arc but low altitude dodging is very hard regardless of the composition of the air defense. The underwater drones rely on the fact that 1000 meters of water forms a pretty good shield both for detection and elimination. The acoustic signature of these drones will probably be learned sooner or later and smaller nuclear depth charges possibly developed to intercept them. Smaller because if you use a big one you are basically doing the exact same thing as the drone. If they are intercepted near the target and a big nuclear depth charge is used its not so good for the target either.

        What is demonstrated is Russia has spent considerable effort to develop some albeit limited nuclear weapon delivery systems that will be unlikely to be intercepted by nature of physical laws regardless of defenses that have been developed. This reflects long term resignation to conflict from Russia. It has been noted that Ukraine spent the eight years until Minsk expired well in terms of fortifications but that eight years was also critical in Russia coming to full field deployment of these innovative strategic nuclear weapons.

        • banned says:

          I wonder if the curious inclusion of apparatus to manipulate objects underwater to the Belgorad class is to enable pre placing the AI autonomous weapons without activating their propulsion system. Probably farfetched.

  38. Student says:

    (Telelibertà Piacenza)

    High incidence of heart problems due to post covid stress in Piacenza province hospital departments.
    During the first 7 months of 2022, 870 mycardo heart attack even among youngs in the Italian small province of Piacenza (283.742 citizens).
    In previous years the average of the whole year was 400 cases.

      • Xabier says:

        Thanks: incredibly high incidence!

        I imagine there is general quite a high background rate of heart attacks due to the elderly population. but this is clearly of another order.

        Le’s hope people are wise enough not to take the new boosters, or just not so scared of Covid after having actually caught it in a mild form.

    • T.Y. says:

      That’s an approx. incidence of 1:600…. assuming they are all injected… so actual rates may be higher….

      A “fact check” article in my regular state media claimed myocarditis was very rare. It did not state incidence but went on to say that the chances of getting this are higher after getting corona then after getting injected.
      Although no sources were provided it appears to align with this article :

      https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970

      However when investigating the article from August 2022 – If i understand the study design correctly – then it only took into account individuals with at least 1 injection and followed those for a period of 1 year. Overall odds for the risks that are mentioned were found very low, about 1:14000 over the entire study group and the rest of the discussion is about whether it was elevated in some of the subgroups in which the population was divided. There seems to be some sort of further stratification whereby only heart-problems occurring within 28 days to the injections and infections are charted; there is no clear explanation offered for applying such stratification – so it seems the study is inherently assuming that the risk is short term & immediate.

      Evidently even if we assigned all incidences as due to the injections there should have been maximally 20 extra occurrences in Piazence province, assuming all other things such as general health & age stratification would be comparable between Italy and the study which was based on majority of UK population. Although theoretically it is possible that a relatively higher share of old people would live in Piazence compared to typical country age-profile of the general UK, even then i would be surprised if this difference would make much more than factor 2-3 difference, whereas we are observing a factor 20+ difference (470 extra occurrences above baseline).
      So it does seem that the risk for heart-problems is manifesting over a much longer time period. Data is lacking to differentiate between injected vs non-injected or stratify per number of infections, but it sure does not look good for team “jabberite”.

    • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
      Gail Tverberg says:

      It seems likely that all of the pension funds will somehow get into trouble. If this doesn’t happen, the banks that sold them derivatives in order to keep the pension plans out of trouble will collapse. It is rumored that Credit Suisse is having problems because of derivatives it sold to prevent pension fund collapses.

  39. Fast Eddy says:

    True? I dunno

    Russian Gas Stops Flowing To Italy After ‘Problem’ In Austria

    https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russian-gas-stops-flowing-italy-after-problem-austria

  40. MG says:

    There will never be cheap energy prices again, help is on the way, says the member of the Slovak Parliament Kremský

    https://hnonline.sk/finweb/ekonomika/96044259-lacne-ceny-energii-uz-nikdy-nebudu-pomoc-je-na-ceste-tvrdi-poslanec-kremsky

    • Gail Tverberg – My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
      Gail Tverberg says:

      “U.S. – FED BUYING STOCKS at RECORD RATES TO DELAY the COLLAPSE”

  41. kulmthestatusquo
    kulmthestatusquo says:

    Lidia

    It is preferable for 80 million to consume 1000 units of energy, the second tier of maybe 400 million consuming 50 units of energy and the rest, no more than 2 billion consuming 1 unit of energy each , an aggregate total of 84 billion units, than the top billion consuming perhaps 200 units of energy, the next 1.5 billion consuming 75, and the remaining about 5.5 billion consuming 15. , an aggregate of around 390 billion units, an increase of about 5 times.

    Keeping the third world poor so their ecological footprint would remain virtually zero was the goal everyone should have strived for but it became too overconfident.

    • Lidia17 says:

      I tend to see these things as beyond the power of central planners in the long run. Plenty of dictators killed off significant proportions of their populations, and reduced the energy consumption of the rest, but these episodes ended up being mere blips in overall consumption, whose tendency is always to increase wherever physically possible.

      You still haven’t explained how space travel is supposed to lower energy consumption.

  42. Fast Eddy says:

    Ya’ll got some level of vascular damage if you shot the Dog Shit into your body …

    Elevated troponin levels post-vax

    What I know is that some hospitals are now doing this on everyone and they are surprisingly high. But I don’t know what the numbers are because nobody is talking about them. I wonder why?

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/elevated-troponin-levels-post-vax

  43. CTG says:

    Normadic Beer, Gail and anyone who has the curiousity to explore more on “reality”

    There 4 categories of people

    1. Sheep. They will follow everything the “experts” or government says

    2. Antipodal sheep. These are the people who are at the opposite side of “the sheep”. Since they don’t have any ideas, they assign “konspirasi” to whatever they cannot understand (chemtrails, etc). I am not saying konspirasi are truth/lies. It is just away of assigning some stories to unexplained stuff.

    3. Don’t know, don’t care or don’t have time. These group of people are lowly educated, not connected to the internet (perhaps in developing or third world countries), don’t care or they need to work 3 jobs to make ends meet. So, they cannot have the luxury of time and money to ponder “finite world”. They will either be in category 1 or 2 (see above).

    4. Two-minded. The number of people in this group is very small indeed. They have the capability to hold two conflicting thoughts and process them accordingly. Cognitive dissonance is part of their life. Sandwich between sheep and antipodal sheep, this category is a spectrum with some closer to sheep and some closer to antipodal sheep. If the person is not mentally strong, then they will be turned into a sheep or antipodal sheep. The people in this category have the most conflicted mind and may lead to depression if it is not taken care of properly. They are curious and want to find out more. They are usually not lazy and will do their own research. They can do a lot of critical thinking.

    I dare say that there is only a handful of this category 4 in this world, two-minded people and I believe all of them are here in OFW. Category 1 and 3 people will not visit OFW. Category 2 will visit but find that it does not suit them and leave. What we have here, the seniors of OFW are all category 4. Anyone who is not in Category 1 and 2 do research on the internet and will definitely stumble upon OFW. As far as I know in my life there, I have not met a category 4.

    However, the two-minded people will only be continuously experience mind torture (as Nomandic Beer has indicated) unless they go one level up. Go up beyond the trees and forest. Everyday one will be exposed to unknowns and two-minded people cannot decide if they are the sheep or antipodal sheep.

    1. Moon landing, JFK, 9-11 – did it happen, how did it happen, why?
    2. How can people be so stupit when it comes to the C19, energy crisis, etc.
    3. Why is it I still see a lot of fish in my store when it is supposed to be depleted.
    4. Why Sri Lanka is supposed to collapse but it did not.

    Two-minded people like to research and check if there are answers from the internet. They have some answers like Desmet’s mass formation (only to realize that he might be fake), etc. However, the more these two-minded people research, the more confused they are as the more conflicts are found.

    Is the reality that these two-minded people see the same as those seen by sheep or antipodal sheep? I think not. When I proposed that we are in a simulation some time ago, I sense that I was am not going to get any interest. But now, more of the two-minded people are thinking along this line.

    Perhaps we should soar beyond the trees and look down. Get away from being the tortured minds of two-minded.

    • Kim says:

      My brother was a senior policeman. He said the police force was made up of two kinds of animals, the terrestials and the aerials. The terrestials were in a constant state of disputes and politicking and improprieties. The aerials flew above it, seeing it all but always keeping their distance, trying to avoid having to ever land in it.

      • Xabier says:

        More or less what I observed in office life, quite a good description of the two main types to be found.

        I was an ‘aerial’, and frankly couldn’t believe the antics of the others: but it was very instructive as to human nature.

        Of course, there were some partly decent ‘terrestrials’ I found allies among them – and the truly shameless, malevolent, and corrupt ones.

        And that was at The Guardian…..

      • qdlwkkfjb
        Wet My Beak says:

        In sad new zealand the police are the biggest gang.

    • okay maybe we are in a simulation and maybe not.

      I’m not going to torture myself about it.

      likewise about the 8 billion apes who may suffer greatly whenever IC collapses.

      I didn’t make this mess, and I can’t fix it.

      like Howard the Duck “Trapped in a world he never made”.

      I’m just here observing, so maybe that’s what I was simulated for.

      anyway, the Endgame is near.

      it’s all good.

    • CTG says:

      haha… we are in a simulation

      Axel Lehmann is the new Chairman of Credit Suisse when the bank is about to go Lehman.
      https://www.credit-suisse.com/about-us-news/en/articles/media-releases/csg-bod-changes-202201.html

      While I was researching Ford Pinto (questions to Norm), I came across a video on Pontiac Fiero, a car in the 1980s that catches fire easily.

      Possibilities

      1. Pontiac knows that this car is a hot car and will burn literally, thus giving it Fiero

      2. It is because it is named Fiero, that is why it burns.

      3. By some cosmic coincidence, Fiero burns. Purely coincidental.

      4. Creator is trying to give us hits that we are in a simulation. (check out the Lehmann and Fiero) thing.

      As I have stated many times here, my life has a lot of “coincidences” that seems remarkable even on a cosmic scale. Can our universe operate in “coincidence”?

    • Tsubion says:

      It’s a construct not a simulation.

      There are people who want us to believe that the construct that we inhabit is a simulation ( a copy of the real thing ) because they have a nihilistic agenda.

      The more people believe that this life is not the “real thing” the more nihilistic they become adopting values of “do as thou wilt” with wild abandon. Nothing matters so why should I care about anything.

      This reality ( energy, matter etc ) IS a projection of sorts… vibrating between visible light and the source of all things.

      The source is always there. Must be. Simple logic. None of it is a simulation. ALL of it is real.

      • Tim Groves says:

        Yes, I like it. This comment deserves consideration.

        When the most complicated machine that could be built was a lock, the human mind was compared to a clock. Some people are so “readable” that we can virtually see the little wheels going around in their heads. the solar system, likewise, was considered to be a miracle of celestial clockwork.

        Then, when technology moved on and telephones were developed, the human mind was compared to a telephone network.

        And later still, when computers came on the scene, the human mind was compared to a computer. Or the brain was described as the hardware and the mind the software.

        But all these metaphors are wide of the mark, because as everybody knows, the mind doesn’t work like that at all. In fact, there is a little man or woman inside everyone’s head.

        It’s just a short step from conceptualizing the mind as a computer, or a computer program, to conceptualizing it as a simulation created in the brain based on sensory input from the outside world.

        And from there, with one great leap, we get to the idea that the entire physical Universe—the whole enchilada—is a simulation. Although we are never told what it is a simulation of.

        The entire physical Universe is a simulation? That’s truly an extraordinary claim, and we know what Carl Sagan said about those.

        • CTG says:

          Extra claim requires extraordinary proof. This sentence is meant to restrict the creativity and the imagination of the sims…

          (Do we get the extraordinary proof in our present “safe and effective”?) Nope…

          Just too fantastic that all sheep took it line, hook and sinker

          • Tim Groves says:

            It is indeed fantastic that all the sheep took it line, hook and sinker. When you think about it, that makes them fish.

            I disagree that the sentence about extraordinary claims is meant to restrict the creativity and the imagination of the sims. I would say it is meant to draw a distinction between the credible and the incredible, between the sensible and the nonsensible, and—very importantly—between claims that “break” established currently understood physical laws and those that don’t.

            Sagan’s extraordinary claims referred to claims that are so outlandish as to lie beyond the realms of common sense.

            A few examples would be “Napoleon Bonaparte” is alive and well and living in Elba,” “the Moon is made of cheese,” “there are 47 genders”, “the Nordstream pipelines spontaneously combusted,” “the Archangel Michael appeared before me carrying a flaming sword and stole my ice cream cone out of my hand”, etc.

            You are welcome decide for yourself whether these claims are extraordinary or not. To me, based on my common sense, they are all incredible, astounding, verging on the unbelievable.

            This category does not include such claims as “the Apollo missions were faked”, “”Joe Biden has been replaced by an actor”, or any of a hundred claims made about nine-11 or klimate khange, which may seem whacky to some, and may be wrong, but do not violate any known physical laws, and are therefore not “extraordinary” in the sense that Sagan’s invisible cold fire-breathing dragon in my garage was “extraordinary.”

          • Tim Groves says:

            Actually, I am still gobsmacked that almost everyone I know offline took three or four jabs without batting an eyelid—but I hear Bell’s palsy can do that to a guy. 🙂

            My understanding is that they did so because they are what used to be called conformists at heart while I am a nonconformist. For one reason or another, they needed to be part of the crowd, and so they became embroiled in the madness of crowds.

            Had the situation been different, I suspect many of them would have bought tulips or invested in the South Sea Company.

            And I noticed that a few of them were exhibiting the mentality of witch burners, Jacobins, or Red Guards.

            • Tsubion says:

              “And I noticed that a few of them were exhibiting the mentality of witch burners, Jacobins, or Red Guards.”

              Indeed! There was a LOT of that going around. And it switched on as if someone backstage had flipped a giant cartoon power switch.

              The planners had all the psychological mental microswitches in place after decades of TV programming. The indoctrinated herd didn’t stand a chance.

        • JesseJames says:

          One potential evidence of a simulation is quantum theory. So…in essence, particles and measurements got so small that we could no longer observe them….so we invented a mathematical model of what we do see and called it quantum theory.
          Now, if we were in a simulation, the designers would have to choose the limit of the simulation, ie…the resolution. Sooner or later they have to call it and quit simulating particle interactions. So they may have decided…at the very small particle level, to instead just roll the dice and generate a probability of interaction, hence quantum theory and probability clouds and so on.
          So what we observe exactly matches what a simulation designer would do when faced with limits of the simulation.
          Now we have claims that entangled photons detect changes in the other, regardless of separation distance, even if they are separated by the distance of the universe! These claims, no matter how many doctorates the scientist has, are absurd.
          But would a simulation designer not put certain aburdities in the simulation, to allow whose with a brain to figure it out?
          I think it is possible.

      • CTG says:

        tsubion… there is no right or wrong. It is what your reality tell you. Your reality is not the same as mine or anyone else. Realities are unique

        • Tim Groves says:

          I’ll set this one up and you are welcome to have a go at knocking it down.

          “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”
          – Philip K. Dick

          • unless of course it’s the OFW version of reality

            in which case it is subject to a vote

          • CTG says:

            “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”

            It will haunt you until you believe in it. Dick is the first one to propose that we live in a simulation in the 1970s. Way before the word simulation becomes mainstream

        • Tsubion says:

          I agree that the difference between “right” and “wrong” is fluid and the product of all such human mental constructs.

          But… we will be labeled as deniers of “Truth” by religious folks who believe that right and wrong are carved in stone by God him/her/theyself.

          Moral relativism is a thing of the devil they say… but I say that the “devil” is also relatively moral according to his/her/they’s perspective.

          I mean… he doesn’t force anyone to abandon their goody two shoes drab existence to join the dark side. A little temptation is all that’s required and before you know it the nukes are being launched and the bioweapons released in the greatest display of righteousness the world has ever seen.

          To some these acts appear evil. To others… we’re being saved from ourselves.

          From the perspective of the self-organising system… we’re constantly returning to a state of equilibrium after brief flashes of violent activity.

          The only “truth” that I am willing to stick my neck out for is that base reality exists.

          Everything else including what we call life is potentially illusory and just a fabrication within the mind of the eternal presence.

      • reante
        reante says:

        Tsubion

        Yes, fine comment. FWIW (not much I’m sure), when I took off earlier this year because Gail didn’t want me arguing against germ theory, I went on a journey to the heart of biology, which is the natural polymerase chain reaction that sources what biology needs for biogenesis.

        The source IS always there. Indeed it must be. As you say.

        I came to the working conclusion/truth that dark matter is the source of consciousness, and dark energy is the source of growth. Both phenomenon physicists don’t know what to make of or do with. Both are believed to completely permeate/suffuse reality as universal fields, both inside us and outside us.Both are said to be non-reactive with observable reality, with the sole exception being that with powerful machines light can be see to be bent by dark matter, which implies that dark matter can only be scientifically described as a gravitational force.

        Biogenesis — reproduction and cell-division — is performed by the most reactive (by far) biochemicals in existence, in nucleic acids and polymerases. Polymerases, that catalyze the genetic activity of nucleic acids, are an order of magnitude more reactive, even, than the acids, and the specific polymerase in zygotes which responsible for vertical gene transfer (reproduction) is an order of magnitude more reactive than even the polymerases used for cell division.

        As with the exception where dark matter pulls gently on light, I’ve come to believe that dark matter (source consciousness) pulls THROUGH the hyperreactive polymerases (which are tiny liquid pools of hyperreactivity) in which nucleic acid primers sit and
        pull ON the primers that then can ‘magically'(consciously) build onto themselves with
        the free-floating individual nucleic acids in the polymerase pool.
        themselves. And the ‘fuel’ for building these conscious genetic proteins is dark energy, which physicist believe is the expansionary force in the universe, otherwise unreactive with visible Reality, except I believe, in the polymerase pool.

        We talking the primordial soup here, which never ended, and all biological life completely depends on to this day, for its ongoing reproduction and renewal.

        • Tsubion says:

          I agree with everything you said (brilliantly explained).

          There appears to be conscious intent in the fabrication of the most basic elements of life. A subtle nudge here and there. The tiniest of forces that organize reality and then maintain some kind of order rather then total chaos.

          I have also concluded that germ theory and virology are on shaky ground and will probably fall soon enough. There’s nothing propping up the lie more than people’s indoctrination – a belief… that’s all. The scientific evidence that is being brought forward by many brave souls all over the world will leave the “believers” in a state of confusion. They won’t know what to believe anymore. The sacred cows will be slaughtered one after another.

          Didn’t the James Webb recently debunk an ever-expanding universe?

          Aren’t gravity and dark matter the same thing? (as in more than just “a gravitational force”)

          And dark matter is indeed most likely a conscious “field” – observer, the observed and act of observation all in one being. Self-referral consciousness manifesting vibrational reality (energy/dark energy fluctuations giving rise to the “material world”.

          I liked the idea that life emerged (and still does constantly) at the deep sea vents, but I like your eternal primordial soup better!

          Either the universe is teeming with life or we’re simply being “fed” the universe program as part of the construct.

          Now you’ve really got me thinking…

          • reante
            reante says:

            Tsubion

            That’s a great response. Thanks. 🙂

            I don’t know James Webb. My best guess is that the universe is a toroidal spacetime dynamic, and that we are just in that expansionary phase at the ‘top’ of the ‘doughnut.’

            “Aren’t gravity and dark matter the same thing? (as in more than just “a gravitational force”)”

            Yes. 🙂 Gravity isn’t based on density of mass. Gravity is based on consciousness, which takes different forms. Mass is just conscious mass and density is just type of consciousness (elemental, biological). Then there’s metaconsciousness…

            If gravity was only based on mass then nothing could pull on anything else. Two planets could not pull on each other without the dark matter gravity field linking them anymore than a steering wheel could turn the wheels of the car without a linkage system. Interplanetary gravity (something) cannot pull-through (come from) nothing (empty space). There has to be a linkage system wherein all ‘components’ are seamlessly connected and operate on a common principle. In a steering linkage that principal is torque, which is applied to the steering wheel which in turn applies torque to the steering shaft which in turn applies torque and so on, until the steering wheels are torqued. Same with gravity – the consciously pooled/condensed dark matter in the planets pulls on the dark matter field as it continually sources dark matter (just as do biological polymerases), and the combined, polar/opposing, sourcing of dark matter (gravity/consciousness) on the field between the two planets represents the gravitational pull between the two. Interplanetary creative tension.

        • JesseJames says:

          “I came to the working conclusion/truth that dark matter is the source of consciousness, and dark energy is the source of growth.”
          You are making stuff up. Dark Matter is nothing more than a fudge factor in cosmological equations. Nothing else.

          • reante
            reante says:

            Welcome to the new animist cosmology. 🙂 All true discoveries are Reason-based ‘making things up.’ Right Jesse,? This is no different.

            Dark matter isn’t just math fudging. Light wouldn’t be seen to bend if that was true. Right Jesse?

            • JesseJames says:

              Dunno….maybe it is dust that is there over umpteen million lightyears….maybe it is a form of quark dust…who knows….dark matter is a creation with no fact behind it….jsut theories and supposition.
              Science loves this kind of stuff….think of all the papers written on dark matter….it greases their finances.

              I prefer fact, not supposition.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I’m hoping that when we all die shortly — we’ll get the answer.

        We might all be thrust into a much higher plane of consciousness we’ll be enjoying the VIP room and all the perks that go with having past the ultimate test…

        Well..except for norm… he’ll be in the gutter with Super Snatch …. continuing to insist to anyone who will listen that we can fly through the van allen belts and land on the moon in a contraption that was made in someone’s garage hahahaha

        norm is destined for eternal hell

        • Tsubion says:

          They do say that life is a test.

          And I think we just passed the Big One!

          Unless… we’ve been suckered into a part two whammy consisting of smartypants vaxx rejecters being rounded up into Chinese-style chicken coop camp accomodation awaiting the giant woodchippers that are always conveniently left out of the shot as they pan over the dystopian vista.

          But hey… it’s a simulation… enjoy!

  44. if JJ Watt gets sacked by this heart issue, that would be big news in the sports world:

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34710679/arizona-cardinals-star-jj-watt-plays-26-16-victory-just-days-having-heart-procedure

    “… seeing the ultrasound of his heart Thursday because he needed its rhythm to be reset after going into atrial fibrillation on Wednesday.”

    world class athlete 33 years old with A-Fib.

    it would be oh so very very sad if he soon winds up in the endzone.

    • “My healthy brother died after three Pfizer vaccines from an arrhythmia that caused instant cardiac arrest. His cardiologist told me that my brother was healthy and there was nothing wrong with his heart.” (comment to Steve Kirsch post.)

      • Lastcall says:

        Umm, not big news in my sport world. Guess when you in a country that thinks its in the centre of the ‘Rules Based International Order’ ( Five sp-eyes perhaps) then maybe you could be excused for thinking so.
        I believe 85% of world couldn’t give a fig for the RBIO.

        Joe Rogan; now thats more like it!

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Wow.. that would rock the US if he has f789ed his heart… he’s one of the biggest stars in the NFL…

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