Can India come out ahead in an energy squeeze?

I was recently asked to be a keynote speaker for World Management Conference (WMC 2023) in Patna, India. The academic group that asked me to speak was particularly concerned about Complexity and Sustainability. A PDF copy of the presentation is available at this link.

The primary things I pointed out to the group were the following:

  • The slower the growth, the more sustainable an economy is over the moderately long term.
  • Energy consumption and the use of complexity tend to rise together.
  • Too much complexity can lead to collapse.
  • In general, the most “efficient” economies can be expected to do best.
  • Over the long term, all economies will collapse.
  • There have been shifts in which economies get a major share of available energy supplies. Shifting patterns are likely again in the future.
  • India may come out ahead in an energy squeeze because its warm climate and conservative culture allow its energy consumption per capita to remain low.
Distribution of World Energy Consumption by Country Grouping, 1982 to 2022. OECD is largest in 1982, but has shrunk to 39% in 2022. China has grown from 6% in 1982 to 26% in 2022.
Figure 1. Share of total world energy consumption, by country grouping, based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by Energy Institute. Russia+ includes Russia and its close affiliates. For the earliest years, these were data for the Soviet Union. For more recent years, the grouping is for the Commonwealth of Independent States.

A great deal of my presentation was simply a restatement of the words on the slides, in a slightly different way. So, my comments on the slides will be quite brief.

Title Slide: Complexity and India's Sustainability
Slide 1.
Section Header Slide: Why Complexity Is Needed. Explanation: Complexity is a temporary workaround if there are too many people for resources.
Slide 2.
The problem giving rise to the need for complexity: Population tends to increase, but arable land a fresh water does not increase. Soon there is not enough food and fresh water to go around. Complexity solves problems!
Slide 3.

Of course, after complexity solves problems, population continues to grow, creating a similar problem all over again. This likely leads to the need for even more complexity.

Chart illustrating that the faster population rises, the more quickly it reaches limits. Slower growth is more sustainable.
Slide 4.

My crude drawing represents the difference between slow growth in population and fast growth in population. Rapid growth is difficult to sustain for very long because arable land and fresh water don’t grow.

There is a similar problem if fossil fuel energy is being used. If growth in consumption is very fast (for example, China’s growth pattern starting in 2002), it becomes impossible to keep up the pattern. There can be two different problems: (a) Running short of fuels, leading to the need for higher-cost extraction and/or imports, and (b) Overpromising in the financial markets, leading to debt defaults and stock market crashes. China seems to be encountering both difficulties, even though its population is falling, rather than growing.

Examples of complexity. Farming is a kind of complexity. A photo is shown of workers in India harvesting rice with a metal hand tool. Knives from metal are a kind of complexity.
Slide 5.

Organizing workers to plant and harvest crops represented a major step up in complexity, relative to hunting and gathering.

A metal tool, such as the one shown on Slide 5, greatly helped the productivity of farmers compared to using a sharpened rock or a piece of wood as a tool, or using only bare hands.

More examples of complexity. Pumps for water irrigation. Very large farm machinery. Hybrid seed. International trade. Companies, including international companies.
Slide 6.
More advanced complexity.  Computers and scientific models. Lots of government debt. Intermittent electricity from solar panels and wind turbines. Supply lines providing materials from around the globe.
Slide 7.
Current complexity uses a huge amount of fossil fuels. Diesel fuel powers international ships, huge trucks, and agricultural equipment. Oil products are used to make pesticides. There are no electrical  substitutes for any of these. Coal is used in making solar panels, iron and steel, and concrete. Natural gas is burned to offset the intermittency of wind and solar on the electric grid..
Slide 8.

Of course, this list of uses is very incomplete. For example, both coal and natural gas are burned to create electricity.

Section Header: How Complexity Hits Limits
Slide 9.
1. The most useful complexity is found first.

The complexity with the highest return, relative to investment, tends to come early. For example, the  wheel. Damming water for irrigation. Burning coal to produce electricity.  Later inventions often have much less favorable returns.  Solar panels need the subsidy of going first. Electric vehicles usually cost more than regular vehicles; need subsidies.
Slide 10.
2. Growing complexity leads to wage and wealth disparity. Best educated people tend to get the highest wages. Property owners tends to amass wealth, both from capital gains due to inflation and rents collected.  Problem is that there are not enough goods and service left over for poor people. They can't afford food and shelter.
Slide 11.
At side, the Energy Complexity Spiral illustration by Joseph Tainter. Third way economy growing complexity reaches limits: Growing complexity enables the use of more energy. Item a) Use of energy to make better tools takes energy, but at the same time it sometimes adds to energy supply. Item b) Greater complexity makes cars more fuel efficient, but also may make them less expensive to operate, enabling more people to afford the vehicles. Item c)Adding more layers of government adds more wages, and thus more buying power. The great buying power indirectly raises fossil fuel prices, enabling more extraction.
Slide 12.

As an example of a) above, a metal shovel allows more food to be grown. Food is, of course, an energy product that humans eat. Another example would be better drilling approaches that allow more oil to be extracted from a well.

Regarding b), greater complexity makes cars more fuel-efficient cars, making the cars less expensive to operate. This makes them more affordable, so more people can afford to buy them. This is known as Jevons’ Paradox. Although the devices look more efficient, the fact that more people can afford them allows the total amount of fuel used to increase.

Item c) relates to adding “buying power.” If more people can afford goods because of more government spending or more government debt, the added buying power keeps the demand, and thus the prices, of energy products up higher than they otherwise would be. The higher prices motivate businesses to extract harder-to-access energy resources that might not be profitable to extract if the prices were lower.

4. Growing complexity leads to a shortage of inexpensive to produce energy supplies. International trade takes oil, leading to shortages of  diesel and jet fuel. Manufacturing of solar panels takes coal, and eventually aids in driving up the the price of coal.  Problem is that the most easily
Slide 13.

We extract the least expensive to extract oil, coal, or natural gas first. Even if our techniques get better, at some point, the price of fossil fuels used in growing and transporting of food becomes unreasonably high. Poor people, especially in low-income countries, have a hard time affording an adequate diet.

5. Growing complexity invites collapse.
Three references are giving for "The Economy is a self-organizing physics-based system. An image by Gail Tverberg is shown, illustration how an economy grows as added layers, with unneeded earlier layers gradually being removed.  The inside becomes hollow. The system becomes fragile. Economies often collapse.
Slide 14.

Slide 14 shows a chart I put together to try to explain the physics-based way economies are built. In a way, they are built in layers, with new businesses being added at the top, over old businesses, and new laws being added to old sets of laws. New human customers are added, too, and some die or move away.

Every action that contributes to GDP requires energy of some kind. It could be human energy powered by food, or human energy plus fossil fuel powered energy. Moving a truck or train requires energy. Even moving electrons, as in heating food or transferring electrons within transmission lines, takes energy.

One thing that keeps the system in balance is the fact that many of the consumers are also employees. If wages are not high enough (particularly for the poorer members of the economy), it becomes increasingly difficult for them to afford the basic goods and services that they need for living. Of course, changing interest rates or the availability of credit also affects the affordability of goods and services.

Chart titled: Collapse follows a predictable pattern. This chart shows a line that rises and falls, sort of like a mountain. On the way up, the caption says "Complexity Rises" and "Fossil fuel consumption rises or more wood is cut for fuel. The top of the mountain is labelled, "Too much complexity." <b>"Too much wage and wealth disparity."</b> On the way back down, the labels are "Population falls!" and "GDP falls!"
Slide 15. Hand drawn chart by Gail Tverberg showing some of the processes that change as an economy gradually grows too big and too complex for its resource base.

Early in the life of the economy, both energy consumption and complexity rise, as depicted in The Energy-Complexity Spiral by Joseph Tainter, illustrated on Slide 12,

At some stage, the economy reaches a point of too much wage and wealth disparity. Poor people cannot afford the necessities of life. Riots by poor people become common, as they did about 2018 and 2019, indirectly because of low wages and low benefit levels. Governments find ways to make goods more affordable, as many did in 2020 (partly by ramping up money supply and partly by limiting travel, thereby reducing oil demand and thus oil prices).

As the economy tries to bounce back, inflation and broken supply lines can become problems, as they did in 2021. More fighting tends to take place, as it did with the Ukraine conflict beginning in 2022. In some ways, the economy begins to sound like the book Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell, with a great deal of censorship of opinions not conforming to government-sponsored views.

If the problem really is a resource problem that cannot be fixed with more complexity, the high level of wage disparity will ultimately lead to the population falling because poor people cannot afford necessities. Large cities are particularly prone to collapse. GDP can be expected to fall at the same time.

Section Header Slide says "The Standard Narrative Says "Growth Forever." The subtitle is, "Physics says that inefficient economies are squeezed out."
Slide 16.
Politicians, educators, and businesses cannot admit that collapse might be ahead. The standard narrative is <b>Business as usual will continue forever.</b> All we need is more complexity.  Intermittent electricity from wind and solar can substitute for fossil fuel. Our biggest issue is "Climate Change."

This  is  nonsense. We humans have little control over climate. But lots of academic papers are written on this basis. Our economy is powered by energy of the right kinds, under the laws of physics. Intermittent electricity cannot substitute for diesel oil or jet fuel.
Slide 17.

Politicians cannot admit that such a problem might be lying ahead because they want to be reelected. Educators want students to think that high-paying jobs for people with advanced education will continue to be available in the future. Businesses want people to believe that the cars and homes that they are purchasing will be worthwhile investments for many years in the future. Mainstream media has no choice but to tell the stories governments and businesses want told. Governments offer research grants on projects associated with the favored technologies, giving financial incentives to publish academic papers supporting the chosen narrative.

The whole process is assisted by the fact that academic areas within universities each seem to exist within their own ivory towers. Researchers within economics departments don’t understand that there is a physics reason for the world’s high energy consumption; “scientific modelers” don’t understand the limits of a finite world. Scientific modelers assume that growth can happen indefinitely, while both history and physics indicate that this is impossible.

Physics tends to squeeze our inefficient economies and favor efficient economies. Evolution occurs with plants and animals. Something similar happens with ecosystems and with economies. Survival of the best adapted occurs as conditions change. For an economy, best adapted seems to mean "Able to produce goods and services inexpensively, compared to other countries. The Soviet Union  was not well adapted prior to its collapse in 1991: cold climate, expensive oil wells compared to other countries, lack of good ports, long shipping distances. China was well-adapted in 2001, with its inexpensive coal for producing goods. But now its coal is depleting and its fiancial model of savings as extra homes is not working.
Slide 18.
Figure 1 chart called "Distribution of World Energy Consumption" is shown again. Text says, "Chart shows major shifts in energy consumption. The group of countries included in "Russia+" were squeezed down very early; after 2001, China has been favored.
Slide 19.

The chart shown on Slide 19 is a repeat of Figure 1, shown at the beginning of this post. In this chart, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) is an organization of 37 rich countries of the world, including the US, Canada, most of the countries of Europe, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand. Its energy consumption clearly has been squeezed down since 2002, when China’s energy consumption started rising after it joined the World Trade Organization (WTO) in December 2001.

As mentioned on Slide 18, the share of world energy consumption of Russia (+ closely affiliated countries) has been squeezed back for a very long time. This may be part of the reason why Russia seems to be so unhappy.

India’s share of world energy consumption is small, but it has been growing.

The share of energy consumption by countries in the Rest of the World has also been growing. This group would include OPEC countries, plus the many poor countries around the world.

India uses much less energy per capita than many other countries:
1. India's climate doesn't require heating of homes and businesses
• Sales price of goods can be lower in the international market
• Makes the economy more competitive
2. Some of India's agriculture is performed using low-level tools
• Primarily uses human energy, not fossil fuels
3. Most people don't have vehicles
• Vehicles used tend to be small
4. Tradition mandates conservative life-style
•Mothers often don't work outside the home
5. Intermittent electricity iscourages use of refrigerators
Slide 20.

In item 4 on Slide 20, regarding vehicles being small, I mean that motorcycles, 3-wheeled auto rickshaws, and mini trucks are used to a much greater extent in India than in the richer countries of the world.

Perhaps India can "come out ahead" in the next squeezing out because of its low energy consumption per capita.  Chart shows energy consumption per capita (in gigajoules) with the following amounts: US = 284; Europe = 118; China = 112; World = 76; India = 26; Central Africa = 5.
Slide 21.

It might be mentioned that China’s per-capita energy consumption is now almost as high as that of Europe. At the time it joined the WTO in 2001, China’s energy consumption per capita was only about 25% of high as that of Europe. China would now seem to be in danger of having its share of world energy consumption squeezed back because it is itself becoming relatively rich.

India is a major importer of oil. Using oil sparingly makes it more affordable. Chart shows India's oil consumption, which had been rapidly rising, next to its oil production. India's oil production is less than 20% of its consumption. The difference is made up by imported oil.
Slide 22.

The chart shows that India’s oil consumption has been rising, while its oil production has been trending downward for about a decade. Imports make up the difference. In an oil-constrained world, the question is whether oil imports will really continue to be available at an affordable price. Diesel and jet fuel are in particularly short supply.

India's energy consumption is 88% fossil fuels. Wind and solar account for 3% to 6%, depending upon the approach. Chart shows India's consumption of all types of fuels rapidly rising between 1982 and 2022. Coal provides a little over half of India's total energy consumption.
Slide 23.

India, like pretty much everywhere else in the world, gets the vast majority of its energy supply from fossil fuels. Using the Energy Institute’s (EI’s) way of counting, about 88% of India’s energy consumption in 2022 came from fossil fuels.

It is confusing to know how to count wind and solar because their electricity is not available when needed. If they are given credit as if they provide dispatchable electricity (which is EI’s approach), then their combined percentage is 6%. If wind and solar are counted as only replacing fuel, then their combined share of energy supply is about 2% or 3% in 2022. The International Energy Agency (IEA) uses the approach providing the lower indications, as do many researchers.

Section Header: What should India's complexity strategy be?
The key is keeping complexity from rising too much.
Slide 24.

When an economy starts shrinking, as shown in Slide 15, there is a problem with supply lines breaking in an overly complex society. Much of the world experienced some broken supply lines in 2020 and 2021. We can expect more broken supply lines again in future years.

Supply lines are likely to get shorter because of the shortages of diesel and of jet fuel. In particular, fewer goods and services are likely to be shipped across the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean. More trade will be regional in nature. For example, India will probably have a larger share of its total trade with other countries of Southeast Asia than now.

We can expect more fighting among countries because the world will basically be in a situation of “not enough to go around.” India would do well to stay out of these wars.

Intermittency of electrical supply will likely become more of a problem in the future. Replacement parts after storms will be more difficult to obtain.

1. Primary focus for added complexity: Reducing the cost of production of the fuels the economy requires.
• Inexpensive energy that keeps current devices operating is key to staying away from collapse
• More fossil fuels, at inexpensive cost, would be ideal!
• Or new liquid fuels that could be obtained cheaply and work in today's devices
Slide 25.
2. If wind energy can be used only at the times that it is available, its added use might be helpful.
•Simple windmills have been used to pump water for animals for 100+ years
• These are inexpensive to make
• Easy to repair
• Complexity is low
• Electricity from wind might be helpful if it can be used only at the time available
•Example: On a local grid used for charging cell phones and batteries for LED lights
• Solar panels have a major disposal problem
• Tend to poison water supply
• Unless this issue can be worked around, even use on a local grid is not helpful
Slide 26.
3. Poor use of complexity: Putting intermittent wind or solar electricity on the electric grid.
Giving wind and/or solar priority on the grid tends to drive out other electricity providers
• Prices end up too low for all providers
• Other electricity providers need government subsidies to stay in business
• Would need incredibly immense quantity of batteries to provide electricity in the same manner as other providers
•Cost of building and maintaining the electric grid becomes very high
• Main reasons for "wind and solar will save us" narrative are
a) To give citizens hope for the future
b) To provide jobs for people
Slide 27.
4. One complexity focus: India cannot depend as much on exports from other countries in the future.
• China is becoming a less reliable supplier of raw materials to India.
• Amount of international shipping is likely to fall as diesel fuel availability becomes more restricted.
• Planners in India need to think about what essentials are needed:
• Food
• Fresh water
• Clothing
• Basic medicines
• Basic tools, such as hand tools for harvesting rice
• Build essential supply lines within India
Slide 28.
5. Another complexity focus should be population.
• Don't want population growing much
• Focus should be on two-child families
• Keeping Indian traditions is important, too
• Adding laws to substitute for traditions and religious practices is a high-energy approach
• Too much urban population becomes a major problem
• High urban population requires fossil fuels to ship food in; wastes out.
• Discourage immigration to cities
• Make certain that rural incomes are high enough to cover necessities
Slide 29.

It is tempting for high energy economies to forget the importance of traditions and religion. Religions help bind groups together. Their laws and traditions give people a way to live with one another, without having a huge army of police being hired to keep order.

As economies become richer, the belief tends to become: The government can save us from all problems. We no longer need our traditional beliefs. All we need to do is focus on more even distribution of goods and services.

Unfortunately, the economy doesn’t work this way. Governments can print money, but they can’t print additional food and water. With broken supply lines, essential commodities such as fertilizer become unavailable. Population must drop for the economies to get back in balance. This is the reason that wars become more frequent, as complexity limits are hit.

6. Adding highways and airports is tempting, but the energy cost of maintaining them will be high.
• Heavy trucks use diesel, which is in short supply already.
• Jets use jet fuel, which is also in short supply
• Roads and runways are built with fossil fuels
• Unless a new source of cheap energy can be found, it will be difficult to do maintenance for very many years.
• The issue is always putting off collapse.
• In a finite world, nothing is permanent.
Slide 30.
Summary: For sustainability, the goal should be very slow growth with no more complexity added than required.
• No economy can last forever.
• A very slowly growing economy is much more sustainable than a fast-growing economy.
Slide 31.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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2,991 Responses to Can India come out ahead in an energy squeeze?

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  4. @ivanislav

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    So this tiny tribe of 8, sorry, 7 , eventually came to terrorize the world.

    Sorry, for whatever reason, the enter key is not working in this window.

    • drb753 says:

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    • Such kind of lifestyle does not lead to reproduction so it is irrelevant

    • he seems to have an enviable lifestyle.

      trouble is, as i see it, publisising the fact will bring about its ruin.

      unless i’m being unduly pessimistic.

      unless of course he wants publicity.

      • David says:

        I’m being blocked from sending more than a two line reply.
        New OFW policy?

        • its something to do with the different setup.

          when you want to space a paragraph down, it seems you now have to press the return key twice.. At least that’s the way it works on my mac laptop.

      • Dennis L. says:

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      • David says:

        I’ll re-try. Now I seem to be allowed over two lines but no line or para. breaks. Very odd. ………………….. Anyway many people in the UK in the 1970s went back to the land, bought a ‘rural wreck’ and became mostly self-sufficient in food and fuel. Some wrote books on it, stressing it was hard work but it was definitely feasible to produce >90% of what you needed.

        The subsequent dramatic rise in land and house values, plus the dirigiste planning system (you may not build your own house for your own use on your own land; you need the state’s permission), more or less put a stop to it.

    • I hope he doesn’t get hurt–sprain an ankle or break a leg. It would make it hard for him to continue his lifestyle.

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  8. raviuppal4 says:

    Stephen Bowers comment on US oil exports . Link given below for the whole post by Mike Shellman .
    ” Mike, I have been busy researching the exports of crude. It is early days but KSA is the best place to start, and then I will go through the OPEC+ countries. The results for KSA make interesting reading as Aramco whas been expanding its refining operations sinificantly.. It supplies 10 refineries in KSA 2.8 million b/d with another 400 kb/d in the pipeline for the Jizan refinery.

    It has jv’s in the US, Malaysia, China (3) Korea and Japan. In total the crrent supply to Asia (China, Japan, Korea and India) is around 4mb/d, with another 200kb/d required for the HAPCO refinery. China is growing its oil demand by just short of 1 mb/d each year. With all the projects in play this looks likley to continues for the next 4 years, by which time China will overtake the US as the largest consumer.

    When US LTO peaks there is going to be and interesting bar brawl for barrels. Europe is in a particularly bad position having plunged headlong into renewables that are neither cheap or reliable. Meanwhile our refineries are being progressively undermined by the net zero lunatics. It is not going to end well. ”

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      thanks for that.

      in the link:

      “At some point next year I am going to have to say I told you so about all this. I did, starting about eight years ago.”

      okay finally after all these years, the decline is going to become obvious.

      bring it on!

      I’m 65ish, do you mind saying about how old you are? and I’m thinking you are here in the US, good for you if true.

      probably much younger, bummer for younger folks, oil is going to have big price hikes, and growing shortages, and cycles that will be very difficult for producers and consumers.

      yes China refines 15 mbpd and US 17, so China may pass the US soon.

      yes Europe is in a terrible position.

      his “I told you so” next year?

      I hope I live to see it, things will become even more “interesting”.

      • raviuppal4 says:

        David , in 2024 I will be 72 . Living in Belgium and ” riding the tiger ” ( the benefits of oil) . Hope I can slide down the tail before it eats me . 🙂

    • The OilStuff link explains the real reason why investment in the shale patch is falling:

      . . . drilling and completion costs are thru the roof in 2023 and going higher in 2024. Fifty percent of the revenue stream of a typical Permian Basin HZ well is now a function of natural gas and NGL prices, both in the toilet at the moment. I don’t think there is all that much free cash flow, or net revenue from operations, particularly when you are having to pay dividends, drill $12MM wells for 7% IRR’s, service debt, deleverage debt, and when OPEX is going to the moon because of produced water costs. Wells are NOT producing the same level of C+C liquids they use to and that is hurting well economics. When people won’t loan you money any more you have to actually live within your means. There is little money to keep drilling wells on after the other like the good ‘ol days. Blaming it on investors actually wanting their money back, the bastards, is a lie.

      There is a blimp in this [Financial Times] article [that he is criticizing] about the sector running out of primo drilling locations and that is the only piece of truth in the entire thing. I think it might be the biggest story of the entire shale phenomena, actually.

      • raviuppal4 says:

        Mike S is one of my Guru , others being Matt Simmons , Colin Campbell , keith Deyfuss , Nate Hagens , Art Berman and of course Gail . Many more but I will keep the list short . The narrative is going mainstream . This is going to be interesting .

      • a fairly concise summing up is possible.

        we are now entering the long forecast –pre terminal—phase of the oil era, where we are begininng to require more ”extraction energy” to get hold of oil, that we get from using it,

        from now on this ”benefit gap” will increase year on year until we cannot muster any additional means by which to acquire oil at any price.

        at that point, our ‘debt economy’ will come to and end. then the no-oil era, the permanent one, will begin.

        as will the era of violent denial.

        we seems to be headed for the mid-2020s

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          I would “guess” that some of Europe hits the fan mid-2020s.

          first go the weaker countries, UK etc, and this is a pattern that’s already visible, likely to continue, but a small possibility that all countries collapse together.

          small island countries appear to be particularly vulnerable.

          but Norway looks good into the 2030s.

          I can see 2024 from my house.

          • i take your point david

            but no country looks good into the 2030s.

            the reason fot that is, as i see it anyway, is that Norway, as an example, has a double edged problem

            Their entire ”wealth” is wrapped up in oil, they have nothing else…….If shtf time comes, Norway’s oil will have fewer and fewer takers

            added to that, Norway’s wealth is invested worldwide in infrastructure which is itself 100% value-dependent on oil availabilty and use.

            without oil, that infrastructure will be worth literally nothing.

            the same applies anywhere in the world.

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              okay, while I am taking your comment seriously, it seems to me, in my opinion, that your scenario is farther towards the end of the Endgame.

              I think that first the present pattern will continue and smaller weaker countries will be collapsing/detaching from The Core of IC.

              after some time of this destabilizing of IC, then tipping points will be passed where those Core countries like Norway, those with FF (the most valuable stuff in IC), will reach their own breaking points.

              here on OFW the standard opinion seems to be faster collapse, and the obvious (to me) result seems to be that these fast collapse opinions are always too ahead of the curve of reality.

              we may see, if you reach 94, you can opine about 2030 as it nears, as long as IC/electricity/internet holds up.

            • all of it can only be ”opinion”

              nobody can say with any certainty of time what is going to happen in our future.

              But it does seem certain that oil is the prop for all of us, so when its kicked away, collapse is inevitable.

              it will just manifest itself in differents for different regions.

              what we can be certain of, will be denial, and blaming ”others”.—usually politicians, or the elite, or the elders.—you name it.

      • rufustiresias999 says:

        That’s sounds like the beginning of the end.

  9. Tim Groves says:

    Solar Energy Is Getting 200 Times More In Federal Subsidies Than Nuclear
    And under the IRA, solar handouts could total $900 billion by 2060

    —Robert Bryce (please  consider subscribing to his Substack.)

    In 2022, when measured by the amount of energy produced, solar energy got 200 times more in federal tax incentives than nuclear. But that figure only reflects a fraction of the staggering amount of federal cash the solar sector stands to collect over the next three decades. According to estimates by Wood Mackenzie, under the Inflation Reduction Act, the solar industry could collect some $900 billion in federal tax incentives between now and 2060. I’ll dive into those numbers in a moment.

    Before I do so, here are three reasons why you should be incensed by these solar giveaways.

    First, these numbers prove, yet again, that the alt-energy sector continues to be fueled by corporate welfare. For years, advocates for wind and solar energy have claimed that their schemes are cheaper than traditional forms of electricity generation. Last year, John Kerry, the Biden administration’s climate envoy, claimed that “Solar and wind are less expensive than coal or oil or gas. They just are less expensive.” If that were true, and solar energy is too cheap to meter, then the industry shouldn’t need tax credits.

    But thanks to climate corporatism, some of America’s biggest corporations, including NextEra Energy and MidAmerica Energy, a subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway, are collecting billions of dollars in tax credits and they stand to collect untold billions more in the coming years thanks to the IRA.

    Second, it’s evident that President Joe Biden and members of his administration misled the American public about the cost of the IRA. On August 22, 2022, Biden gave a speech at the White House during which he said, “The Inflation Reduction Act invests $369 billion to take the most aggressive action ever — ever, ever, ever — in confronting the climate crisis and strengthening our economic — our energy security.” Biden’s defenders might argue that the president didn’t know exactly how much the IRA would cost taxpayers. But ignorance is no excuse. (Nor is old age.)

    Third, this solar corporate welfare could add hundreds of billions of dollars to the national debt at the very time we cannot afford more debt. On Monday, the national debt surpassed $33 trillion, a milestone that the New York Times noted provides “a stark reminder of the country’s shaky fiscal trajectory.”

    That description — “shaky fiscal trajectory” — is an understatement. Very soon, the interest on the national debt will exceed $1 trillion per year, a sum that will match or exceed the amount we spend on national defense. Michael Peterson, the CEO of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, summed up America’s fiscal mess saying, “With more than $10 trillion of interest costs over the next decade, this compounding fiscal cycle will only continue to do damage to our kids and grandkids.”

    • Dennis L. says:


      The debt will go to zero more slowly than if invested in an aircraft carrier.

      Everything goes to zero, it is the rate which is important unless…..

      it is the universe which seems to self renew albeit in very messy ways which are difficult to capture. Imagine catching a ball of iron, just the right size, getting it around a star of just the right size and then starting biology.

      Not a trivial project.

      Dennis L.

    • We have a system that can’t go on for very long, I am afraid.

      The system gets to be complex. We have the Student Loan Program, and Social Security and Medicare, as well as what we think of as budgeted amounts. Something is certain to gr wrong.

  10. Student says:


    ”mRNA ‘vaccines’ must be banned once and for all”

    ”First the ‘vaccine’ did not stay at the site of injection as promised but travelled throughout the body and were found at post-mortems to be everywhere.
    […] Accusations of dramatic variations in batch-to-batch variability – an absolute ‘no no’ in vaccine manufacture protocols – which could explain why side effects were more common in some batches than others were denied but were borne out by definitive Danish research reported here. These alarming concerns seem to have been brushed off by the regulators when they should have immediately begun investigating them in depth. […]
    Last June, whistleblowers led by the scientists Sucharit Bhakdi and Kevin McKernan raised an entirely new issue of concern – that of serious levels of DNA contamination.
    […] scientist Kevin McKernan from Boston used Pfizer and Moderna vials as controls in a study only to find that they contained highly significant DNA plasmid contamination. It reports that McKernan was alarmed to find the presence of an SV40 promoter in the Pfizer vaccine vials, a sequence that is ‘used to drive DNA into the nucleus, especially in gene therapies’ and that this is ‘something that regulatory agencies around the world have specifically said is not possible with the mRNA vaccines’. These SV40 promoters are also well recognised as being oncogenic or cancer-inducing. […]
    All this data, which is slowly breaking through into the public domain, comes hard on the heels of the latest findings that booster vaccines actually increase the chance of getting infected by 3.6 times. This is according to an in-depth study published by the Cleveland Clinic, one of the largest health care organisations in the world, who monitored their staff as well as patients. […]
    This is not the end of the issues with the mRNA ‘vaccines’. Several immunology studies have shown that the boosters induce an antibody switch from neutralising subtypes to tolerising subtypes as well as inducing significant T cell suppression, all of which will encourage new infections and suppress the immune response to cancer.
    […] It is very clear and very frightening that these vaccines have several elements to cause a perfect storm in cancer development in those patients lucky enough to have avoided heart attacks, clots, strokes, autoimmune diseases and other common adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines.

    By Angus Dalgleish – September 29, 2023. Angus Dalgleish is an expert in immunology and Professor of Oncology at St George’s Hospital Medical School, London.

    • Dennis L. says:

      Practical concerned from a non jabbed.

      My current significant other is 2x jabbed so, does this mean it is a short term relationship?

      Priorities, always priorities.

      Dennis L.

    • The story has been out for a while. I understand that Europe is not recommending the latest version of the “vaccines” for the general population, but does seem to recommend them for some higher-risk categories. That is at least a step in the right direction.

  11. postkey says:

    46:28 in: “A natural corona virus cannot be weaponised”?

    • All is Dust says:

      Yep, RNA viruses run into the infectious fidelity problem – i.e. they very rarely make perfect copies of themselves (from memory only 1 in every 10,000 replications is a perfect copy). It’s why they use DNA clones in the lab.

    • postkey says:

      “Richard M Fleming, PhD, MD, JD
      Such a statement shows a lack of understanding in Gain-of-Function, CRISPR technology, pseudouridine, et cetera. There are multiple published papers showing such modifications.”?

      • All is Dust says:

        Is Richard confusing cDNA clones with RNA viruses? One of my frustrations with the “experts” is that they just through around terms without defining what they mean. If you go to pub med and type in “infectious clone” you will see hundreds of papers describing what they are and why they are used. These are different to wild type RNA viruses. It’s as if the entire scientific community is on meth.

  12. Fast Eddy says:

    Analysis of long term trends across the news online confirms that there has been a spike in such reports these past three years. The number of reports of people “dying suddenly” rose from an average of 4,346 items per month in late 2020, to an average of 5,517 in 2021, 7,287 in 2022 and, from January to August this year, there have been on average 7,910 news items each month citing this phrase alone. That’s a marked rate of change – a 22% rise in average volumes late 2020 into 2021, a 37% rise between 2021 and 2022. The dotted line indicates the upward trend over time.

    • I wonder how many died suddenly in 2018 and 2019. Were some of these Covid-related, or all vaccine.

      I agree, though, that the trend doesn’t look good. Why did so many “died suddenly” in 2022?

  13. Mrs S says:

    The UK continues to grapple with the conundrum of how to fuel modern society on wind power.

    The Royal Society have written a report acknowledging that batteries are not the answer to intermittency. Instead they propose storing hydrogen in salt caverns for when the wind is not blowing

    Sometimes I think these people are literally insane.

    • they are not insane……..

      there is no answer to our looming problem—but as politicians they must be seen to to provide one—otherwise they lose their jobs.

      —-our problem is that it is not possible to build an industrial economic system on cheap surplus energy, and then expect to sustain it on expensive scarce energy.

      ….Simple as that.

      (and for some reason this comment window won’t let me drop a space to a new paragraph—anyone else having that difficulty?)

      • Foolish Fitz says:

        Yes, I’ve found the same problem. On my phone at the moment and assumed it was the phone. Will try the laptop later, but guess you are on your Mac.

        Phone is android and a dell laptop, so if you’re on Mac, it must be WP(or being in Britain).

        • Foolish Fitz says:

          Seems to be doing it automatically Norman. Both our comments have been paragraphed when posted, which makes the writing somewhat confusing.
          Try writing as normal and see if the separate paragraphs appear after posting(this sentence should come up as a separate paragraph if I’m correct).

      • Mrs S says:

        Coming up with patently ridiculous ‘solutions’, which if enacted would make the problem worse, IS insane.

        • Dennis L. says:

          The only possible answer is in the stars, well the solar system. Everyone here has convinced me solar, wind, etc. does not work.

          Of course, I am still going to put up my solar system real soon now; that is not a joke, it is on shelves waiting. Too many projects, time is the limiting factor in all of life.

          We mine the asteroids with energy from the sun, we move computers to space and solve the cooling problem, ie. less energy, 24/7 solar energy to run them, quantum computing at 2.7 degrees K.

          Of course, that can never be done. Well, maybe on step at a time, or eat the elephant one bite at a time.

          Dennis L.

    • At least someone is saying that batteries don’t work.

  14. Fast Eddy says:


    She was a huge jab fan. In her September 1st, 2021 article headlined, “Table Talk: Herb pots, bistro news and why you should get vaccinated,” Jennifer wrote:

    Sure, I’m vaccinated and happy to say so. I received my first Moderna vaccine in Mississippi in February and my second in March; I’ll get a booster as soon as I qualify.
    So yes, I’m vaccinated, and yes, I believe you should be, too. By the time you regret not getting the shot, it might be too late.

    She Turbo’ed on us

    • Tim Groves says:

      From the same link, a musician, beautiful vivacious youngis (43) woman who called herself Vaccine. It’s very schad! 🙁

      Dubstep music producer Christine Clements, 43, who ironically produced under the stage name “Vaccine,” died suddenly and unexpectedly on August 24th after a mysterious brief illness.

      Her husband, artist James Clements, wrote about Vaccine’s passing on Instagram, disclosing only that “she passed away in the early hours of August 22nd, after being admitted to hospital on the 16th for a sudden downturn in health.”

      Vaccine’s sudden downturn went all the way down.

      “Dubstep” is a genre of electronic dance music originating in South London in the late 1990s,  characterized by heavy, bass-driven sound, complex rhythms, synthesized sounds and vocal samples, with a slow tempo emphasizing sub-bass frequencies.

      California-born Vaccine first began releasing music in 2007 on Scuba’s Hotflush Recordings and started her own namesake Vaccine label in 2008. She was known for her ambient electronica sound, and for being one of the first prominent female producers and DJs on the early Dubstep scene. She also released her own singles a solo EP in 2014, titled ‘Decryption.’  More recently in her music career, she composed music for video games. 

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Yes that is also good – I have posted on Mark Crispy SS and asked if it’s ok if we make an exception and gloat over this one

  15. MG says:

    The result of the early parliamentary election in Slovakia shows the rise of the pro-LGBTI+ forces. Slovakia still lacks the law on registered partnership. The rising liberal party Progresívne Slovensko (Progressive Slovakia – is backed by the young internet specialists.

    • Foolish Fitz says:

      What’s your view on

      Fico? Seems honest about the Ukrainian situation, but I know nothing about the politics of your country. Will he be able to form a government, or be shunned by potential coalition parties?

      • MG says:

        I guess younger leaders do not want to cope with outdated ageing leaders like Fico.

      • Robert Fico says: “The war in Ukraine began in 2014, not 2022, when Ukrainian fascists killed citizens of Russian nationality in Ukraine. The Americans are fighting Russia with Ukrainian soldiers.”

        Maybe the US needs to give up and keep its money at home.

        • Foolish Fitz says:

          I was impressed with how he shut down the interviewer trying to place all blame on Russia. Reminded me of India’s Jaishankar dealings with western media.

          I’d be interested in reading anything MG could supply about the public view, as we don’t get any balanced reporting in Britain.

          As for spending your money at home, you’d probably have to run for office to realise that dream. I’d love to see you debating Biden or Trump. You’d win by a landslide(even in your sleep).

          • MG says:

            There is quite a big group of Russia supporters in Slovakia, mostly from the disinformation scene. Of course, the people in Slovakia are not happy about the costs of this conflict.

            The countries like Sweden, Poland or Finland are especially sensible to the topic of Russians attacking westwards.

            It was the Germans who sent Vladimir Ilyich Lenin to tame the imperial temptations of the Russian tzar in the past.

            • Foolish Fitz says:

              I would be interested if you can keep us updated on the situation, as I feel what happens in your country could be pivotal in how the rest of Eastern Europe reacts to the changing situation.

              Ukraine seems to be treating the various ethnic groups in the Transcarpathian region much the same as they treat russian ethnic groups and that’ll be an easy tool to use against the Ukrainians for any leaders. A few headlines about the abuse of ethnic Slovaks will quickly set the mood. There may even be an expansion of your borders if Ukraine fails completely.

            • Tim Groves says:

              mostly from the disinformation scene

              Please, tell us about it.

              How one’s side’s facts are information and the other side’s facts are disinformation. 

              It’s a fascinating subject, how people form worldviews and the techniques they employ to keep all the pieces in place.

              And with everyone from Google and Twitter to the BBC and the NYT putting little labels on articles and opinions so that the consumer can tell which ones are “Disinformation”, the news is now as safe for consumption as the food products on sale in supermarkets.

              That’s why I prefer to grow my own as much s possible.

            • It is a strange situation. We were warned about the problem in the book 1984.

        • MG says:

          The historical.experience with the Russian invasions westwards make the explanations of Robert Fico less relevant. Robert Fico was also a member of the communist party before 1989, so he has got a kind of inclination towards Russia, unlike those who suffered after the 1968 invasion into Czechoslovakia.

          • Tim Groves says:

            Slovak history and indeed prehistory goes way way way way way back. Mirror may be interested in this. I find it fascinating that sculpture so refined was being produced so long ago in the Carpathians. This piece is more aesthetically pleasing than most of what passes for contemporary public art.

            The Venus of Moravany (Slovak: Moravianska venuša) is a small prehistoric female figurine discovered in Slovakia in the early 20th century.

            It was ploughed up in 1938 by an unknown farmer near the village of Moravany nad Váhom in Slovakia.

            It is made of mammoth tusk ivory and is dated to 22,800 BCE.

            A copy of this Venus currently resides in the Bratislava Castle exposition of the Slovak National Museum.


    • Whatever anyone’s view on Zelensky is, he taught a bad habit – he introduced the habit of national leaders dressing like bums.

  16. MG says:

    It is worth mentioning that the Japanese car makers are careful as regarding the EVs. What are the roots of this approach?

    I think this is because of the total cost of ownership of the cars.

    However, the biggest problem is the insurance: once the car crashes badly, it is a total loss.

    • chngtg says:

      This article is disingenuous as it only shows 5 year of ownership. Most people own cars more than 5 years. When it comes to changing batteries, how does it stack up? Spending $10,000 or $20,000 for the batteries?

      In my country, hybrids like Mercedes where the battery is required to boost the power and cannot be driven without a battery, these luxurious car have basically zero resale value as no sane person would buy a luxurious car that has high maintenance cost, have to change the super expensive batteries and no “show off” value (as the car is already old).

      • Dennis L. says:

        A guess:

        If the cost of a new battery pack ($4K in a Camry, have done it)plus the used cost of the car is reasonable/mile, do it, if not, scrap it.

        Dennis L.

    • MikeJones says:

      And this to the hidden cost

      As EV sales surge and cars get heavier, parking garages will have to change
      PUBLISHED TUE, OCT 3 2023 1:15 AM EDTAnmar Frangoul
      Parking garages (known as multistory car parks in the U.K.) are one area where the proliferation of EVs and bigger vehicles is expected to have an impact.
      “This extra load and the changing fire safety requirements are all considerations not just for new car parks, but for existing structures too,” said the London-based Institution of Structural Engineers.
      More than 10 million electric cars — a figure that includes plug-in hybrid and battery electric vehicles — were sold in 2022, according to the International Energy Agency.
      …One potential issue relates to the load of what we drive. According to the institution, the average vehicle’s weight has increased from 1.5 metric tons in 1974 to nearly 2 metric tons in 2023.
      This extra load and the changing fire safety requirements are all considerations not just for new car parks, but for existing structures too,” it added.
      Speaking to CNBC, Chris Whapples, a fellow of the institution and contributor to the guidance as an author and overseeing consultant, said some of the market’s top-end executive cars and long-range SUVs were now coming in at over three metric tons.
      When the guidance was released in June, there was much focus on the potential collapse of some car parks under the weight of heavier vehicles.
      “It is something we have to consider, but we mustn’t be too alarmist about it,” Whapples told CNBC.
      “The thing to bear in mind is that the ones that cause the damage, if you like, are the heavy vehicles — not the vehicles that are heavier than they were 40 years ago but still within the capacity of the design for car parks,” he went on to explain.
      The latter type of vehicles are still in the majority, he said. Nevertheless, the trend for bigger vehicles shows no sign of letting up.
      “We’re seeing increasing numbers now of SUVs, large executive cars — both fossil-fueled and battery ones — and pickup trucks, which are immensely heavy.”

      That’s only part of it..

      • Dennis L. says:

        What I learned here, a guess:

        Have lithium batteries for power tools, more or less constant charging. Planning on placing those units in a fire cabinet, same as used for flammables, and of course no flammables inside.

        An example of what I take away from here and use in real time.

        Dennis L.

      • Details that people don’t think about! Parking garages that collapse under the heavy loads.

        The roads will take a huge beating under the heavy loads as well.

    • There are a lot of things that make EV’s high cost, over a five year period. One is the depreciation of the vehicle:

      The final cost of the vehicle is its depreciation at resell, the difference between what the consumer paid for it and its worth after five years of ownership. EVs lose an average of $43,515 in value; ICE vehicles depreciate by $27,883.

      Part of what EV owners are looking at is the subsidies they get. Also, the ability to avoid road maintenance costs built into gasoline charges. Since these vehicles are heavy, the road maintenance costs should be higher, not lower.

  17. Lastcall says:

    ‘In item 4 on Slide 20, regarding vehicles being small, I mean that motorcycles, 3-wheeled auto rickshaws, and mini trucks are used to a much greater extent in India than in the richer countries of the world.’

    Hopefully India keeps the simple things going like my classic tractors (2 Massey Fergusons 135’s).
    I can still order any part I want for these old boys and they just crank along; all 40 odd hp of them.
    Stick your chips, circuits and trransistors where the sun don’t shine.
    No reversing cameras; I look behind.
    No aircon cab; I just get on with it.
    No fuel injection; smoke still comes out the chimney.
    No Fuel optimisation, carbon scrubbers or catalytic converters; I feed the plants CO2.

    Its more horsepower that Cleopatra could ever have dream of!,

    • drb753 says:

      Just add diesel, and they work! oh wait..

      • Lastcall says:

        Actually, I have one running on some pretty shitty used oil (once it starts).
        I figure when the garage tanks are empty there will be a few thousands cars around here with about 6-10 lts of oil in their engines/gearboxes/transmissions that I can purloin.
        Thats a few thousand litres right there!
        Try that with your tier 3,4,5,…? engines!

        • Dennis L. says:

          Interesting regarding burning used oil in a tractor.

          Problem around here is scarcity of used oil, people use it to heat. At one point considered purchasing a used furnace at auction; friend alerted me to fact his company has trouble sourcing used oil, large school bus/tour bus company. I passed on that auction.

          I have some sort of Indian two cylinder engine, very simple which is supposed to burn used oil, but literature reported mechanical problems with same. It is 5hp give or take and still in the crate from India; can’t import now.

          Dennis L.

      • Lastcall says:

        PS just quietly, even tupper-ware Tesla’s have some oil in their transmissions I hear.
        Too funny.

    • Replenish says:

      Haha, my Dad still has the remains of 2 fabled Massey Ferguson lawnmowers stashed around his house and at the cabin along with a plethora of truck farm tractors.. International, Farmall cub (with sickle bar) and a ’53 Ford Jubilee. 

  18. hkeithhenson says:

    I just skip the postings about covid and vaccines. It’s not related to the OFW topic of energy and carbon. (Both of which need economic solutions.)

    But once in a while I come across something related that is interesting and well written.

    ” Until vaccines became available, there was little difference in COVID death rates between blue states and red states.

    ” After vaccines became available, there were clear differences, with red states having higher death rates, almost certainly as a result of lower vaccine uptake among Republicans.”

    This is the kind of levelheaded work I appreciate.

    • chngtg says:

      When I was very young many decades ago, where people are still using the physical telegram (not capitalized as in the app that FE likes to use), I always wonder how can humanity sustain such massive energy use just to send things up space. The fuel required was so massive.

      Then came space elevators… OK. Maybe it works but it seems to be so fragile.

      Looking back after 4 decades… seems like I have the knack of questioning the status quo and doubting what we were told even when I was just a young kid.

      • hkeithhenson says:

        “Then came space elevators”

        Sorry, I have worked the numbers. Even written fiction around the idea. (UpLift) We just don’t have materials strong enough.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Of course it’s not keith … of course it’s not.


    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      okay, now show us that overall death rates are lower for the jabbed.

      if you can’t, then Silver’s narrowly focused data is irrelevant.

      then show us that disability rates for the jabbed are lower, and that cancer rates for the jabbed are lower, and that sudden cardiac events for the jabbed are lower.

      I bet you can’t do those either.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “This is the kind of levelheaded work I appreciate.”

      his work is very far from “levelheaded” by not including overall death rates.

      are you telling us that you missed that?

      that would be a poor mental performance on your part.

      and as poor as Silver’s.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “I just skip the postings about covid and vaccines.”

      well, based on your weak mental analysis of Silver’s work, you should probably go back to skipping these topics.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Keep believing the lies, Keith. You will eventually, if you do this sort of stupid thing often enough, be killed by it.

      If you had no side effects at all with the jabs, so far it looks like you’re ok.

      But 4.2% up to 15%, from this data, got hammered with significant side effects — and the data is that if you’re in that group, you’re f**ked.  There is no evidence that after some period of time — we only have two years or so of data at this point, so we can’t speak beyond that — said risk dissipates to irrelevance.  It might not, and until proved otherwise we must assume it does not.

      In the middle?  Nobody knows.

      Is there anything you can do about this if you’re at risk?  The evidence is no.

      The evidence is that you are under the gun for the rest of your life, however long that might be.

      —Karl Denninger

      • It is possible that for some subset of the population, there is a net benefit of the so-called vaccines.

        Perhaps if people are old enough when they are vaccinated, there is a net benefit rather than a net harm. We know Norman in 89. Keith is younger than that, but I forget how old he is. They might be in the subset of population with a net benefit, or might just luck out, with no real harm.

    • All is Dust says:

      How is he defining “covid”? Does he have genomic sequences for all the alleged infected? Or are we just talking E proteins? Or, even worse, N proteins? These details matter.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      where did hkeith go?

      I thought he would be defending the awesome levelheadedness of Nate Silver.

      • hkeithhenson says:

        “defending ”

        no, In the early days of COVID, the vaccinated had a considerably reduced death rate. The results that the red states had lower vaccine uptake and higher death rates were not surprising. The virus has changed and most have either been vaccinated or had the virus by now.

        If the vaccine had serious bad effects, it’s something that would be obvious by now.

        When you see the stories, remember that people drop dead all the time for no reason.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          hahahahahaha keep on believing that keith – even though the facts state otherwise

        • Fast Eddy says:

          keith – you say you are a scientist… but you ignore the science

          You are a DelusiSTANI

        • Tim Groves says:

          If the vaccine had serious bad effects, it’s something that would be obvious by now.

          Just because it isn’t obvious to you, Keith, it doesn’t follow that it isn’t obvious to the cognoscenti. 

          When you see the stories, remember that people drop dead all the time for no reason.

          Actually, there’s always a reason. Again, just because the reason isn’t obvious to you, or even to the examining doctors, it doesn’t follow that it happened for no reason.

          When the doctor writes out the death certificate, if they don’t know the reason, they write “cause unknown”. They don’t write, “Dropped dead for no reason.” 

          • yup

            i took friend to be vaxxed at 96—as he asked me to,

            he died 2 years later, at 98

            should i feel guilty?

            had i persuaded him not to get vaxxed would he still be alive?—i’ve had another vax inivite, for flu and covid… in each arm

            if i take up the invite, and drop dead next day, how will OFW cope?

            will you and eddy be weeping, wailing and rending your garments in anguish at my demise?

            i dont think the local clinic is sending round a press gang for me, though I do recall that daftness was being touted among the ”cognoscenti” a couple of years ago.

            All BS…at treated as such

            • Tim Groves says:

              I honestly don’t think Eddy would be able to cope without you, Norman. Ranting at you constantly like a drunken tramp you have  to share a carriage with on the last District Line train on a Saturday night is the only thing that keeps him sane. 

              While old age catches up with us all in the end, you have done very well staying ahead of it for so long. I guess a combination of good luck, good genes, good habits, and a good pension have come together in your case. You are about a decade older than the average male life expectancy in the UK. 

              But another important factor is Eddy. He helps make it worth your while getting up in the morning. “What kind of rot has he been saying about me today?” He gets the adrenals going and the bile duct too!

              So thank him for his service.

            • case in point Tim

              only yesterday, at my pool, I’d stopped for brief rest, the lifeguardette came over and asked if i was OK

              when i asked why, she said she’d never seen me stop before.

              But it’s good to know I’m part of eddy’s raison d’etre.

              Good to have a purpose in life. I might even improve his vocabulary beyond four number profanity.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              If the Autumn booster drops you norm .. you won’t be missed… but the mockery would continue

              And why do you think the Fat Bastard attacked FE…

            • Fast Eddy says:

              That is true – without FE norm would have died years ago. Everyone needs some sort of meaning in his life

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Bad result with the Autumn booster? Not feeling so well?

          • Fast Eddy says:

            keith is doing what anyone who has injected a toxic substance that stays in their body forever turning them into a ticking bomb would do…

            He is denying.

            Most Vaxxers are in denial — even when the bomb explodes … many of them remain in denial and look for other reasons for their wrecked bodies.

        • TIm Groves says:

          Postkey posted this video conference the other day and I found it fascinating listening. Stuff like this inoculates me against the BS that has infected the brains of some of those I would describe as the more gullible members of this forum.

          The first half is JJ’s presentation, and the second half is a long Q&A session. Both are well worth listening to, but if you don’t have time for the whole thing, I heartily recommend the Q&A.

          • Tim Groves says:

            Keith, if you listen to  JJ, you will learn that the COVID mRNA shots are not vaccinations, they are transfections.

            From 2h 6m

            You can inject chemicals in you body, and that’s vaccination.  But if you start transfecting your cells, then you are doing even more potentially bad things than vaccination could ever do. Because vaccination is really just toxins and proteins. The toxin is the adjuvant; the proteins are what they hope your immune system will pay attention to.

            With transfection it’s completely different. In transfection they are relying on your immune system to destroy your own cells, and it hopes that they won’t make a mistake.  

            And the horrible part about it is that every academic biologist should have known that we don’t use transfection with the idea of augmenting an animal forever…..

            • Perhaps we need to be talking about transfections instead of vaccinations, now.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Lets not let keith forget this

              Don’t believe me? See what Dr Phillip Buckhaults has to say about the Buckshot. I have clipped out the most important part from his speech to the SC Senate hearing and the most important bit of the most important bit is this:

              “During the process they chopped them [the DNA plasmids] up to try to make them go away but they actually increased the hazard of genome modification”

              Wait, what?

              They did something that increased the risk of genome modification?

              Now why would they do that, surely that’s an accident.

              And now we are here. Phillip quote’s Hanlon’s razor, viz:


              WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY … do that?

  19. davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

    “Fast Eddy says:
    October 2, 2023 at 1:41 pm
    Fast is off on a bucket list trip today … last outpost before the Big Ice…”

    maybe no internet connection there?

    too good to be true?

    here’s hoping it’s at least a two-week trip.

    have fun, Fast Henny, take an internet break, maybe the hockey related head injuries will be healing.

    don’t rush back.

    bon voyage.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Hahaha… there is plenty of internet there… plenty …

      Last time I was there a seal attacked me… maybe this time a Great White?

      I betcha he’s spit old Fast out

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        okay, if you want to spend some of your vacation time checking in here, I will be quite happy to keep reminding you of what a simpleton you are.

        Fast Henny, Chicken Little, simpleton, videot, sciencetard, spacetard, war-on, 1500 HorsePoop.

        there are so many, did I mess any?

        I bet I could come up with more.

        hey it’s Q4! Collapse now? how’s the Canadian Leak going? CEP? Crapppy Extinction Plan? 😉

    • ivanislav says:

      I saw that and am interested to see what happens next. Europe committed hara-kiri when it decided to destroy the Russian economy, “Ruble to rubble”, and close down Russian energy.

      The question I continue to wonder about is whether Europe and/or USA will eventually reverse sanctions (unfreeze Russian government assets and central bank money) and try to make nice after their failed attempt to destabilize Russia, or whether they will continue down the current path of angry impotent flailing.

      • chngtg says:

        Don’t you like it when bad things happens to converge? Euros, USDs, UKR, Peak cheap oil, inflation, etc…

        • Dennis L. says:

          Good observation, I think Kline in “1077” makes the observation that civilizations cannot survive three simultaneous serious issues, less they make it.

          Dennis L.

  20. Brian Rafferty says:

    nobel prize goes to scientists behind mnra covid vaccine.

    • It is a strange world we live in.

      The person who thought of calling the product a “vaccine” (with absolutely no liability for bad results) should have gotten an award.

      • Student says:

        (Times of Israel)

        In this article many things are explained.
        Like, for instance, that Weissmann worked under Fauci and that Karikò was vice president of Bionthech the company who made mRNA (so called) ‘vaccines’ in partnership with Pfizer.

        In my view I see 2 real differences between us (the so called Western world) and Countries like Russia, China, Iran, India and so on.
        1) we spend a big surplus of energy to manipulate people thoughts through media (tv, radio, internet, movies), institutions and political parties which all create a perception that decisions are made for the ‘progress’ and for the ‘good’ of people.
        While in Russia, China, Iran and so on, leaders mainly say: ‘you do like that and shut up’, or – better – they create a light propaganda, but most of their citizens knows that it is just b#llsh#t.
        2) we have a lot of kind of goods in our markets and from this abundance of goods we think that we are on the good side of the Story.

        • You make good points:

          “1) we spend a big surplus of energy to manipulate people thoughts through media (tv, radio, internet, movies), institutions and political parties which all create a perception that decisions are made for the ‘progress’ and for the ‘good’ of people.”

          “2) we have a lot of kind of goods in our markets and from this abundance of goods we think that we are on the good side of the Story.”

          We also assume that everything will always stay the same, but it can’t

        • raviuppal4 says:

          Student , Kudos .

        • raviuppal4 says:

          The power of media . It can make a man think he is a woman and viceversa . So strong so as to convince one to go for surgery and hormone therapy . Tks Student .

          • Cromagnon says:

            and rapidly declining IQ levels. Almost the entire west is now admittedly below 100 average IQ points. If those are the official numbers the reality must be a catastrophe (say around 90). I believe moron level is in the 80s somewhere.

            We are finished.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Low IQ + stooopidity … how can it get any worse

              Onto another topic…. cranking the peddles hard… this island is nothing but steep hills… ended up at a place called Lee Bay… there was a historic plaque with this photo


              I’m thinking as I looked at this …. now I know why almost all the wimmin in NZ look to terrible… and why most work the plough as hogs…. clearly they were not selecting for pole dancer genes…. butt ugly was ok so long as they could haul the heavy equipment

            • clearly eddy

              you have no idea what beauty is, or how it manifests its itself in a woman

              and is never truly lost.

              i think the answer to it might be found in your obsession with ‘faking everything’

            • Fast Eddy says:

              They are a step up from your usual Super Snatch … so I can see why you’d be keen on them…

              But you inhabit a different world than Fast norm … you are at the bottom of a barrel of swill and stale urine

        • Fauci-Weissmann connection:

          Weissman grew up in Lexington, Massachusetts and received his B.A. and M.A. from Brandeis University. He received his M.D. and Ph.D. at Boston University and later did a residency at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, followed by a fellowship at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), under the supervision of Anthony Fauci, then director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

      • Dennis L. says:

        laughing quietly at the irony, yes.

        Dennis L.

    • ivanislav says:

      Interesting that Malone was left out. A Nobel prize may be awarded to / shared by up to 3 people per prize.

      When the prize was awarded to Watson, Crick, and Wilkins for the DNA structure in 1962, it was convenient that Rosalind Franklin had already died 4 years earlier at the age of 37.

      • Tim Groves says:

        Interesting also that Malone is still claiming to be the inventor of this technique and is criticizing both the Nobel award and the use to which his invention has been put. 

        • ivanislav says:

          >> Interesting also that Malone is still claiming to be the inventor of this technique

          Do you doubt it? I think there are patents, grants, and publications that demonstrate his lab’s work created and demonstrated the early iterations of the delivery platform.

          • Tim Groves says:

            I don’t have any opinion one way or the other. It’s above my level of expertise or interest. I generally leave this sort of thing to the patent lawyers. 

            If others have been Nobeled for an achievement while the prime inventor has been ignored, there is not a lot anyone can do about it apart from continue to bring the “injustice” of the snob to public attention, thereby further lowering the Nobel Prizes’ prestige value. 

            In my eyes, the Nobels have been ignoble for a long time. But this year’s Prize for Medicine takes the Biscuit. I wouldn’t accept one if you paid me!

  21. Fast Eddy says:

    Manufacturing ISM Declines 11 Straight Months, New Orders Down 13 Months

    How do you fix this without QE cuz QE will lead to hyperinflation now…

    • The system seems to need more demand. But adding more demand is likely to mostly add more inflation, not more output.

    • ivanislav says:

      >> How do you fix this without QE cuz QE will lead to hyperinflation now…

      Yes, it very well might, but I have been surprised before by their ability to kick the can down the road. I know we are close to the end of said road, but maybe one more kick (QE then QT cycle) is still possible. The situation is very tenuous.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I dunno .. logic?

        Printing more $$$ and throwing it at declining affordable energy … won’t end well

  22. The End of Growth means an Eternal Stasis, and a lock in of today’s conditions, for ever.

    Most people would have gotten a blood test at least once in the life and those who got PCR tests have the results stored somewhere.

    There was a people named the Cagots, who were the oppressed minorities in southern France and northern Spain. No one is sure about where they came from, but an English writer named Grahame Robb mentioned them in his book, and the alt-rights, eager to establish the hierarchy of humanity, began to scour for Cagot genes.

    It is not known how many Cagots were foolish enough to offer their genes, and since the Cagots came from various origins so it is hard to determine their ultimate origins, at least they have a basis to work from.

    Today’s winners,. with their genes certified in a lab and stored in a space facility for ever, will be winners forever and those who are not exactly the winners will be found out and purged out Identifying genes is not that energy intensive and can be done with solar power.

    • Dennis L. says:


      genes are biology and to date, biology has worked very well in spite of natural disasters which makes man’s efforts look trivial.

      We discover the fabric of the universe, the future is forward.

      Dennis L.

    • I think the End of Growth means collapse because of diminishing returns in resource extraction and also ever-rising population.

      • David says:

        Rising population? But FE tells us every day a catastrophe is underway.
        As a retired actuary, maybe you could do one blog on birth and death trends in a few countries since 2020 (not all ~195, obviously). If population were to start stabilising and falling, it would somewhat alleviate the energy problems.

        • The places with big populations are India, China and Africa. We don’t have good recent population data for them.

          Immigration is getting to be a big issue, also, as the population of the poor countries spills out to the rich countries.

          US data shows a huge excess of births over deaths in the past year and a fraction, without counting in immigration.

          It all gets to be fairly complex.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Kulm, you have said that your ambition is to become an eternal robot in Outer Space.

      Why then would you need to build a giant mirror in the Oort Cloud so that asparagus can be grown there?

      Do you fancy that some future technology will allow a robot to somehow maintain itself with that vegetable?

      You have also said that you want specifically white peasants to wipe your backside while you hatch your plans: could it be that you wish to tickle your future robotic backside with the asparagus in the Oort Cloud?

      If so then good luck with any future AI that is able to fully appreciate such obscure and specific titillations.

      • Tim Groves says:

        If I have to eat asparagus in the Oort Cloud forever, I think I’d rather stay behind on earth and let my genes be damned. 

        Didn’t I just explain the other day the difference between genes and genomes? And how the first are shared widely and so are not “my genes” and the second are not shareable in principle except with one’s clone(s) or identical twin(s)?

        I type my fingers to the bone in order to give the rest of the OFW community a little edification, so they don’t slip down into the humdrum malaise of what passes for Normie and Delusistani  thinking. Are all my efforts in vain?

        For Norman, yes. For Keith, yes. For Kulm, lamentably, yes, despite his cultural sophistication. I might as well be typing to a brick wall. 

        • Tim,

          my contrarian point of view (on your versions of moonloonery, WTC, vaxarama etc etc leaves you exasperated (your words)…..

          your opposing views to mine leave me no more than mildly amused……

          that is where we differ in outlook… Keith and I differ radically in many respects, but in that I think we concur

  23. Fast Eddy says:

    I am amused that there is very little discussion of this … Smoking Gun… shall I put that down to despair … or unwillingness to accept that Fast Eddy nailed it

    The primary reason that this is now proven to be a lie is that multiple laboratories around the world have proven that those COVID vaccines contain therapeutic levels of plasmid DNA. DNA lasts for ever and if it integrates into your genome, you will produce its product forever. There is no definition of gene therapy anywhere in the world that this process would be excluded from.

    Just for background, it’s important to know what plasmid DNA is – it’s the lab-based circular DNA particles that is replicated in big vats of poo and then used to create the mRNA that goes into your “short lived” vaccine.

    It’s a lab tool so should never be in a drug injected into a human. It’s not allowed to be there. It’s like having a drug that requires arsenic as a substrate to make it, and then throwing the leftover arsenic into the actual drug that gets injected into you.

    You see, it turns out that there are at least 5 different mechanisms for that DNA-RNA-protein combination to take that DNA into the nucleus of your cells. And that wasn’t on the advertising brochure was it?

    Don’t believe me? See what Dr Phillip Buckhaults has to say about the Buckshot. I have clipped out the most important part from his speech to the SC Senate hearing and the most important bit of the most important bit is this:

    “During the process they chopped them [the DNA plasmids] up to try to make them go away but they actually increased the hazard of genome modification”

    Wait, what?

    They did something that increased the risk of genome modification?

    Now why would they do that, surely that’s an accident.

    Of course it’s not an accident!!! Not stooopidity or incompetence… not about $$$

    It’s about … E-term… in… ation.

    It’s about UEP.

    It’s the right thing to do when you are to the point of steaming oil out of sand.

  24. Human hierarchy is forever.

    Today’s winners will remain winners.

    If we listen to podcasts by people like the Canadian Prepper, we know today’s winners are very aware of the issues and have made preparations. It is possible to preserve food for up to 25 years, which today’s winners can easily afford. They eat gourmet food in their bunkers and drink expensive wine, while the survivors eat hardscrabble food and get weaker.

    When they get out of the bunkers, they and their well fed soldiers, coming from their own ranks and their friends’ rank, will overwhelm any number of survivors with ease.

    Today’s lower and lower middle classes do not understand how advanced and how cruel today’s winners are. Today’s winners will thin the herd to make sure they are safe. The poor will simply be eliminated.

    • Maybe or maybe not. The wealthy cannot grow their own food, transport the waste away from where they live, and get the fossil fuels needed to keep the system going. They need a whole lot of staff. Someone has to keep up any roads that are used, also.

      A 25-year food supply is not really very long. I am sure it is pretty boring. At some point it runs out. It gets terribly boring. It lacks for fresh food.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        If there is food … there will be violence

      • Cromagnon says:

        I can make bison pemmican that will last a centuries and it takes stone age technology to do so.
        I know because my family plowed up cree/assiniboine/lakota bison kill sites with intact pemmican buried in ground along with the stone hammers used to pulverize the dried meat.
        I propose that perhaps a new form of “Yamnaya” culture may arise out of this collapsing decadent degenerate modern society out on the high plains. But there will have to be a lot of desperate unpleasantness first.
        I will commence pemmican manufacture forthwith.

    • ivanislav says:

      >> When they get out of the bunkers, they and their well fed soldiers

      Sorry kulm, their well-fed soldiers will kill them and take the control/resources as soon as they have the opportunity. When society breaks down, law-and-order enforcement mechanisms (a larger gang network) no longer exists to prevent these private armies from becoming the new masters.

  25. GailTverberg says:

    From Bloomberg. While this story talks about the plight of young people in the United States, I am sure that there are parallel stories everywhere else. It is really a story of “not enough inexpensive fossil fuels to go around.” Young people everywhere are being “shorted” because of the problem.

    Nearly Half of All Young Adults Live With Mom and Dad — and They Like It
    The share of people in the US ages 18 to 29 who are living with family is at roughly the same level as in the 1940s.

    Moving out and living on your own is often seen as a marker of adulthood. But dealt an onerous set of cards — including pandemic lockdowns, decades-high inflation, soaring student debt levels and a shaky job market — young people today are increasingly staying put. What’s more, it’s no longer seen as a sign of individual failure.

    Almost 90% of surveyed Americans say people shouldn’t be judged for moving back home, according to Harris Poll in an exclusive survey for Bloomberg News. It’s seen as a pragmatic way to get ahead, the survey of 4,106 adults in August showed. . .

    For many, the American Dream is more like an American illusion, with nearly three-quarters of those surveyed saying younger people are stuck navigating a broken economic situation that prevents them from being financially successful. . .

    Naomi Alvarado felt she did everything right. She went to the University of Texas at Arlington and majored in business management, a decent-paying field. She interned, started her career and moved for a better job opportunity. And yet, at 27, she finds herself in between jobs, living with her parents in El Paso, Texas.

    “People my age were being fed this dream that you could go to college, get a job in corporate America and buy a house. That dream is unattainable,” she said.

    • Reality comes home to roost —
      There’s “not enough to go around” — things turn out to be so different from what the edeecational establishment claims.

      • The “scientific model” that the educational institutions use is terribly flawed. They seem to assume that if 5% of the population can get advanced degrees, and then go on to make very high salaries, the same situation can work for 50%. It doesn’t work that way in real life.

        • Lastcall says:

          This country (NZ) is full of qualified zombies; peeps that never should have gone beyond the basic 3 r’s are let into the ticket factories (used to be called Universities; places of higher learning’) and come out with their ego’s boosted but not their IQ’s.

          Waste of space then, bigger waste of space now.
          Trouble is they feel entitled to the better life and the Govt creates quango’s and bureaucratic swamps to émploy’them.

          • David says:

            The book by D Graeber, ‘Bullshit Jobs’ described the misery which some ex-university students experience in their dead-end office jobs.
            In 1970, about 3-4% of UK pupils went to university and that was probably about the proportion who were ‘academic’ enough to benefit from it.

            UK universities have morphed from learning and research institutions into mega-businesses which sell ‘education’, spend loads of money on advertising and marketing depts. and pay the vice-chancellor about 5x what s/he would have earned in the 70s.
            In a different future, people could have had a life of leisure by now. We were promised that in 1960 or -70.

            • Foolish Fitz says:

              It’s also a great way to get most kids into massive debt, before they have ever had a job. They’ve now made a bachelor’s degree worthless, as they all have one.

              To add insult to injury, any kid wanting to go on to a master’s, gets no help at all towards accommodation, so unless the parents have money, they are forced out as accommodation near any decent uni is far more expensive than any part time job would ever cover.

  26. Dennis L. says:

    TM has a post up:

    “That’s how the material economy works. We use energy to convert raw materials into products, a process which is paralleled by diffusion of energy from dense forms into waste heat, the latter containing climate-harming gases when the dense input is sourced from carbon fuels. Given that most products are destined for rapid disposal, the material economy is thus a dissipative-landfill system.”


    So either we return to a horrible brutish world made by hand, or we move forward.

    The stuff we mine came from up there, iron was iron until it was rust or iron ore. TM has it pretty much right. Sooooo.

    Move all manufacturing to space and make things last and as much as possible recyclable.

    Now, computers are not recyclable, so leave them in space as well. Need cryogenics, space is 2.7 degrees K, more than good enough and of course, skip the land fill and do the Jupiter fill. I so love the idea of dumping a load of waste into Jupiter and seeing it “burp.”

    No, I nor are other “men” are going to work in space, the place is too damn dangerous, put a machine up there. Earth is biology and so is economics.

    The political issues are going to be bumpy, but we are here, all 9B of us, they will think of something.


    Dennis L.

    • Where is the talents to put all of what you are saying into practice going to come from? From Mars? Jupiter?

    • This is a link to Tim Morgan’s post,

      He says in this post:

      It’s one thing to make a case for selling stocks and real estate, but quite another to find something else to buy instead. What sector, or stock, or alternative asset class, can offer protection against the crunch that we know is coming, and what investment can be “as safe as houses” when all the conditions for a property price crash are in place? . . .

      Many investors probably sense the essential fragility of stock and property markets driven to unsustainable levels by the “everything bubble”. Some may think that, when the bubble bursts – as all bubbles do – they’ll be ‘made good’ by the authorities, which is pretty much what happened – at the price of enormous moral hazard – during the GFC of 2008-09.

      Still others may recognize the mathematical impossibility of governments and central banks handing back all of their money to those who have thrown it away in reckless gambles. The ‘create [“print”] money’ fix used during the GFC is the kind of “get out of gaol free” card that can only be played once. It’s been said that “death is there to keep us honest” – in economics, that role is fulfilled by inflation, which is the inescapable nemesis for anyone tempted into the debasement of money.

      I thought the this was good way of putting the problem of money printing.

      In the following two paragraphs, I thought he made some other good points:

      Most of the “growth” of modern times has thus been a sleight-of-hand trick based on credit expansion. The giveaway here is that GDP doesn’t measure economic output, but the very different concept of the transactional use of money. Moreover, formal debt increasingly understates the true scale of liabilities, as it excludes the NBFI (“shadow banking”) component, and the ever-rising “gaps” in the adequacy of pension provision.

      Inflation, meanwhile, has routinely been understated over a long period, most obviously through the convention which states that asset price escalation ‘doesn’t count’ as inflation. If we calibrate material economic prosperity, and compare it with transactional activity measured as GDP, we can calculate that systemic inflation, known here as RRCI, has long been substantially higher than the official GDP deflator measure.

      • we’ve built a future of debt on the credit of our past.

        that credit is of course fossil fuel, which we are currently trying to duplicate at a frantic rate, and which cannot be done.

        the recovery of 08/09 was to a great extent pushed by fracking tight oil…that was our last throw of the economic dice i think.

  27. Seriously speaking, are ‘renewable’ energy truly renewable? In other words, can you make more renewable energy stuff with renewable energy alone?

    The logic is such – let’s say we only have solar energy, so we make the stuff to use solar energy, transport it ,clean it and make them again when they run out.

    That question has been asked quite a few times here, but I don’t think ne renewable energy is truly renewable.

    I am not aware of an electrical heavy truck. And, even if that is feasible (although the battery would be as heavy as the cargo itself), is it possible to produce a heavy duty truck with electric power alone?

    None of the equipment powered by renewable energy can create the machinery or transportation system to keep the system going. Once the existing equipment fails, it is over after the last good replacement part goes away.

    I would like to see someone refuting this. No deus ex machinas like “Light from the Sky”.

    • Dennis L. says:


      Renewables ask too much, a star is not renewable, but perhaps a black hole is. Problem, NIMBY, can’t think or a worse lawn ornament than a “small” black hole.

      The universe may be renewable, but it is a very messy process and best viewed from more than a few light years away.

      Dennis L.

  28. MikeJones says:

    We are not in the business of ice cream’: Big Oil CEOs defend themselves against climate criticism
    PUBLISHED MON, OCT 2 2023 7:54 AM EDT
    Sam Meredita

    Speaking at the ADIPEC oil and gas conference, executives representing global energy majors sought to strike a positive tone on the current state of play for the fossil fuel industry.
    Big Oil, on the back of record profits last year, has been accused of dialing back its climate pledges in recent months.
    “I don’t see where we are today as something that is going to end our industry although there are some out there that want it to go away,” said Vicki Hollub, CEO of U.S. oil and gas producer Oxy.
    Chief executives of some of the world’s largest energy companies on Monday sought to defend themselves from criticism, saying it is not possible to keep everyone happy amid the planned energy transition.
    It comes shortly after climate protesters took to the streets in hundreds of cities across the globe to demand that world leaders phase out the burning of fossil fuels, the chief driver of the climate crisis.

    Big Oil has been accused of dialing back its climate pledges in recent months following record annual profits that were described by human rights group Amnesty International as “patently unjustifiable” and “an unmitigated disaster.”

    “We’ve got to step up and prepare for the decarbonized systems of the future,” Tengku Muhammad Taufik, president and group CEO of Malaysia’s state energy firm Petronas, said during a CNBC-moderated panel Monday.

    “So, the debate has always been posed here, I’m reminded of an old saying: ‘If you want to keep everyone happy, sell ice cream.’ We are not in the business of ice cream — and I’m reminded, there are people who are lactose intolerant,” Taufik said.

    “The indication here is we have to make some tough decisions and we have to be bounded by facts, rationality, practical steps but we will get there,” he added.

    ….Speaking in January, U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres condemned fossil fuel giants for ignoring their own climate science, accusing the oil and gas industry of seeking to expand production despite knowing “full well” that their business model is incompatible with human survival.

    Good luck surviving without me it

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Again … like the India moon dialogue and the UKEY war … this is all fake… they are talking about something that does not exist.

      Fascinating …

  29. Student says:

    The crazy narrative of the western world goes completely upside down.

    The 2023 NobelPrize in Physiology or Medicine has been awarded to Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman for their discoveries concerning nucleoside base modifications that enabled the development of effective mRNA vaccines against COVID-19.

    • Student says:

      “Let’s give a prize to the Scientists whose discoveries let us kill a lot of people and disable more.”

      And pay attention that I think that those Scientists have discovered maybe something useful.
      Like those who have made nuclear discoveries.
      The problem is not the discovery made, but the weapon developed.

    • drb753 says:

      If anyone has any doubts left about how corrupt the Nobel is, along with the rest of Western institutions, he needs to have his head examined.

    • Hubbs says:

      Which is why I stopped my annual alumni contributions, that, and due to the fact that the college has gone completely woke.

      It makes special effort to feature minorities front and center with all these woke causes. it’s not that these represent a cross section of society, but that they have commandeered our society, even as I wrote to the NC Judicial Standards Committee concerning the incompetence and coverup by one of the NC female judges I had to deal with, which was swept under the rug.

    • Thierry says:

      The world has gone full orwellian. Remember the Nobel Peace prize to Obama, who spent his 8 years waging wars across the Earth? War is peace, Tyranny is freedom, Evil is Good,… I am not surprised at all.

      • I AM THE MOB says:

        Would you prefer they let the petri dish run its course and be eaten to death?

        • Foolish Fitz says:

          Natural (dis)order is the way it has to be and so will be(no matter what we tell ourselves).

          We are no more than a plague species with severe delusion* and will face the same fate as all other plague species. All we’ve done with the advantage we have, is to make the eventual demise so much bigger than it needed to be, whilst simultaneously reducing the possibility of bouncing back.

          It may be true that we would always end up at this point, as it’s debatable whether we really have true choice, but here we are, so not much point in Obomba and his smiling face saying “turns out I was very good at killing people”. Maybe if he had said”I have seen the enemy and they are us” it would have lasted a bit longer. Probably not, but it would have at least saved a fair bit of FF, as the distance the bombs had to travel would have been dramatically reduced and also conveniently got rid of the biggest energy wasters.

          Get back in the petri dish and enjoy being the meal😉

          *I’m full of it, I fear.

          • I AM THE MOB says:

            Animal culls are done all the time because they work. End of story.

            • Foolish Fitz says:

              They work, but here we are, in it up our necks.
              So somewhat pointless.

              Natural order doesn’t need us to control anything and never asked us to cull almost all life. That was only our deadly delusion working overtime.

              Industrial farming monoculture is us.

              A Petri dish of our own making. Eat up!

              End of our story. What a sad way to go.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        War is neither good or evil – it is necessary. Failure to compete leads to starvation.

      • JMS says:

        The Nobel Prize has never been anything more than a propaganda vehicle for literate morons. Note how the illiterate tribesmen are skeptical in relation to the white man’s science and the sensational discovery of the benefits of DDT as an insecticide by an idiot (duly Nobel Prized of course) called Paul Herman Muller.

        • Tim Groves says:

          Roundup is even safer!

          • JMS says:

            Dr. Moore should have said that Roundup is a safe and effective health tonic, and that he drinks it every morning, but always mixed with organic pineapple juice, since its flavor can still be improved.

  30. Student says:


    An interesting article about India…

    “How a Cash Crunch in India Led to the Widespread Adoption of E-Pay Technology.
    On the evening of November 8, 2016, India’s government made a surprise announcement that PERTAINED TO 86 PERCENT OF THE COUNTRY’S CASH. Starting at midnight, 500- and 1,000-rupee cash notes would be invalid. Instead, people had to deposit those bills in banks, then withdraw an equivalent amount in new notes.
    It’s “a policy intervention of unprecedented scale,” says Nicolas Crouzet, an associate professor of finance at Kellogg. And it also offered an intriguing laboratory to study how people adopt fintech, or new financial technology.
    India’s demonetization was aimed at curbing production of counterfeit bills and at reducing tax evasion by forcing people to disclose how much cash they actually owned. But because of logistical hiccups, replacement bills weren’t distributed fast enough, and the country entered a huge cash crunch that lasted about three months.
    This allowed a group of Kellogg researchers to study how people approached financial transactions while cash was in short supply. Crouzet, along with Kellogg assistant professor of finance Filippo Mezzanotti and PhD student Apoorv Gupta, looked specifically at one large Indian fintech app, WHICH OFFERED USERS THE ABILITY TO MAKE E-PAYMENTS.”

  31. chngtg says:

    October is usually a bad month for financials. End of year… there are also many things happening…. We see how things go… Democrats in USA does not seem have a good chance of success in getting a good candidate. Will they do something stupid to take everyone down? Don’t know. Perhaps?

    • Fast Eddy says:

      I reckon the Elders should push the limits — just as has been done with the India moon thing…

      Choose a winner so absurd just to see if the MOREONS work out that they have been played with this democracy thing…

      Kim Kardash… or perhaps a former p-orn star — ah right she is a former p-orn star…

      With the right PR the MOREONS would accept this

  32. chngtg says:

    At last, I am seeing an uptick of death among the old people in my reality here….. People seem to ask the question “Why is it I am attended so many wakes and funerals”? Of course they don’t know the answers (or they are not looking for one).

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Funerals are fun – when they involve a young vaxxed MOREON…

      People are generally extra sad when a young MOREON dies

    • Tim Groves says:

      I am getting reports of more than an uptick, more like a tsunami, of shingles.

      Several of the neighbors around here have got it at the moment.

      Also, an unvaxed friend in Tokyo who doesn’t share my views on the extreme dangers told me last week that “many of my friends have come down with shingles over the summer.”

      When I suggested the jabs were to blame, she said that these were women in their fifties who had taken up going to the gym in middle age to keep fit, and under the summer heat, which was exceptionally severe this year, they had worked out too hard.

      “But they were all jabbed?” I asked. And she nodded.

      “And shingles is a disease that strikes people whose immune systems are compromised. Until recently, that usually meant older people. It wasn’t known for striking people who are young enough and fit enough to work out at the gym, was it?”

      I’m not counting the outlier case of Norman Pagett, our resident Superman, but thinking more about the average octogenarian who totters around on three legs when they do totter at all, people like the late Senator Feinstein, who was struck by a terrible bout of shingles in the spring.

      But these days, shingles is running rampant among well-coiffed and well-manicured young celebs. From what the tabloids are saying, it’s as fashionable as strokes, heart attacks, turbo cancer, and Bell’s palsy.

    • ivanislav says:

      “Always go to your friends’ funerals or else they won’t go to yours” – Yogi Berra

  33. Fast Eddy says:

    Now on to one of the largest of the numerous frauds within the U.S Covid response.

    Recall that as part of my clinical work running multiple ICU’s throughout the pandemic, I discovered that vaccinated patients, upon being admitted to most (but not all) U.S hospitals), were not “officially” documented as vaccinated. This practice allowed U.S data to be corrupted so as to support the narrative of “vaccination will reduce your chance of severe infection or death.”

    This conclusion was not supported by data from any other country that transparently shared the hospitalization n rates of outcomes of vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. Another telling feature of those countries (UK, Scotland, Australia etc) is that at some point subsequently, all publicly declared that they would no longer be sharing the vaccination status within their morbidity reports “for fear of the data being mis-interpreted.” At least that is how I understood their posted explanations.

    Anyway, the massive data corruption in the U.S was accomplished by the following:

    when a patient with Covid presented to the hospital, despite presenting their vax cards from CVS or Walgreen’s, the vaccine data was not entered in the official vaccination record part of the electronic chart.

    Instead the admitting nurse documented it in their nursing admission note which was not “pulled” into any part of their official vaccination record. Such patients were then categorized on the first page of their EPIC chart as “unknown.”

    This is one of the most important points telling of the fraud: in EPIC, there were only two vaccination categories possible: “Vaccinated” or “Unknown.” In the almost entire year of 2021 that I worked in ICU;s, I only took care of one patient who had a “Vaccinated “status in their chart, the rest had an “Unknown” vaccination status. I firmly believe that these “unknown” patients were all categorized as “unvaccinated” in public health agency analyses.

    • Hubbs says:

      When I was last practicing 5 years ago, the electronic hospital records (EHR) system of choice was EPIC. But just seeing this three shell game deception of “vaccinated” vs “unvaccinated” vs “unknown” demonstrates how easily and the extent to which data can be corrupted. About on the same scale as KIA reports from the battlefield.

      If the EHR had no entry option for vaccination status then the doctors, nurses and scribes could in theory be acquitted of conspiracy, whereas if they knew and intentionally did NOT report it, then they should be criminally charged. Doctors, administrators, nurses, clerks, the whole lot of them. In the old days, it would have been the equivalent of the doctor failing to report child abuse. (Uh oh. Here goes another one of my digressions.)
      In my case, when this 2 month old malnourished black female infant showed up at the ER with her mother with a transverse mid shaft humerus fracture of her arm when her mother claimed she had to pull her suddenly to keep her from falling off the bed, an obvious case of child abuse, the pediatrician admitted the infant for protective custody and notification of social services.

      Somehow the child was discharged back with her mother, and was dead a few days later. SS had failed to follow up. The radiologist had failed to alert the admitting pediatrician or social services that the bone scan showed evidence of multiple fractures in various stages of healing, especially with vigorous healing responses in a 2 month old. You could see the uptake on the scan from across the room.
      We all got sued, including the Dept of SS, but eventually after a year or two, all charges were dropped, even against the SS, and the mother was sent to prison.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Primates being primates…

        Nobody will be charged over the vax unvaxxed reporting… cuz it’s for a good cause.


        In fact they should all be given gold medals for helping things along like this

        Even the ones who gave Remdeath and Midaz… ‘specially them

  34. Fast Eddy says:

    This text from MSOTI last week really got my attention:

    Massive blood donation drive going in our system. Problem is, staff not donating at rates that even measure up to past drives. Reason most give – I had to get that vax and I’m not giving tainted blood. They actually had a survey to find out what “barriers’ were stopping donations. In past, this would never have been an issue. They did not have any blood drives in past two yrs, so first one since Covid and vax. I was stunned, but shows people have awakened in large volume, at least here. Flu shot exemption requests way up as well. My exemption was approved.

    It’s unbelievable how many charts I see in a week. Hundreds at a time. Pts seen and discussion with them yields even more info than charted if you ask the right questions. But the charting is trending to more inclusion of injection as relevant to current status. Don’t ask me how that changed, but I’d say that deaths of

  35. Halfvard says:

    I don’t know whether Rogan and his guest are more incredible to me or the people in SA that actually believe they can build this thing.

    • Sam says:

      Maybe they think that oil is going to $200 or maybe they need a distraction from the reality that they are running out. Or they are controlled by psychopaths that have no idea about reality; just like all of the other countries

    • Saudi Arabia needs an excuse to hire workers and buy goods to keep the system going. This is completely a vanity project, in my opinion. It will go nowhere in the long run.

  36. Fast Eddy says:

    hahaha – he thought it was working … when he felt like he was dying hahahaha

    Whatever bbccnn told you bud

  37. Fast Eddy says:



    ANDY: My name’s Andy Barry Brown.* I’m 33 and I am an actor and also I work as a jeweler part time. Career-wise, I mean, I was working full-time so I was pretty busy and then also I was exercising. I had a pretty active social life as well and yeah, I probably was most, like, fit I’ve ever been in my my whole life, so. Yeah.

    I got two AstraZenecas. First one I got early August and then the second one I got late September. I guess I just wanted to get out of lockdown, like everyone else, you know, I think we were like on our 8th lockdown. And yeah, I just wanted to kind of do my part so that we can get out of it and I honestly thought that if everyone else is doing it then it must be OK. I really didn’t have any reservations about it being not safe.

    I had no immediate reaction from my first one. And I went back to doing all the workouts and stuff. I think it was kind of just before I got my second I noticed kind of like a bit of pain in my arms and I think that was maybe like poor circulation or something. And I noticed just kind of a bit of a general fatigue and I thought I was coming down with something, like I might be a bit sick.

    And my second one I’d say about 24 hours after that I was in bed and my heart rate just went through the roof. I had a lot of palpitations and a lot of pain. I was really hot and this was in the middle of wintertime and I remember just thinking, OK, well, the vaccine’s doing it’s job. That’s what we were told.

    I probably should have gone to the hospital. But I stupidly just thought, oh, it’s so inconvenient, I’m going to get down there and they’re going to go, you’re an idiot, like, nothing’s wrong with you. So I just thought I’m going to wait it out. I ended up having to sleep on the floor. Like, that’s what animals do when they’re about to die, they find like a cold place on the floor, like, you know, that’s how like, it’s so stupid now I’m thinking about it, like, I should have definitely gone to the hospital. Yeah, and I couldn’t sleep and I just felt like I was going to have a heart attack. And for some reason I just didn’t bother asking for help. I thought, well, this is normal.

    I think if that messaging wasn’t there in the media, in social media from the, you know, the federal government or the health agencies saying that it’s normal to have flu-like symptoms or whatever after you’ve had a vaccine, I probably would have gone straight to the hospital.

  38. Why would there be a shortage of physical oil when some US refineries are down for fall maintenance? I am not sure that this makes sense. I would expect a shortage of refinery space instead.

    “Premiums Are Going Nuts Everywhere”: Plunging US Supply Sends Oil Prices Around The World Soaring

    Buyers of physical oil across the planet are experiencing an acute supply shortage and are facing some of the highest premiums for supplies they’ve seen in months as plunging stocks at the largest US crude storage hub send shockwaves cross markets from Asia to Europe and the Middle East.

    As Bloomberg reports, US crude cargoes on offer in Asia are being offered at the costliest premium this year. The spread between Brent and Middle East oil has jumped to the highest since February while the premium for near-term US supply is close to the highest since July 2022.

    Behind the soaring premiums is Cushing, Oklahoma, the delivery point for benchmark US crude futures, which helps to set the price of oil across the Americas and beyond. As we have noted in recent weeks, inventories at the hub are now sitting just above seasonal lows last seen in 2014, and are effectively at the level known as “tank bottoms” below which inventories are for the most part unusable. . .

    While there’s been a lot of angst over the shrinking US inventories, there are yet to be any concrete signs of a slowdown in American exports.

    “Waterborne exports in October are still likely to come in close to 4 million barrels a day,” said Matt Smith, oil analyst at Kpler. “The lagged impact of the tightening Brent-WTI spread means we may not see the full impact until November’s loadings.”

    For November and beyond, it’s still likely exports will hover around the 4 million barrels a day level, Smith said, citing strong domestic shale production.


    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “All that’s happening just as the world was already facing a tight supply situation with Saudi Arabia and Russia cutting output. In recent months, the US had helped fill a void left in the market, routinely sending more than 4 million barrels every day to sate global appetite. Between overseas shipments and strong domestic demand, stockpiles quickly declined in the US. Now there’s a question of whether those flows will continue.”

      exporting 4 mbpd? YES, but the US imports about 6 mbpd.

      “We’re running out of oil – you can see how low storage is at Cushing,” said Gary Ross, a veteran oil consultant turned hedge fund manager at Black Gold Investors LLC. “If we’re running out at Cushing, then we’re running out in Europe, because it relies on US exports. If the US exports less, then where is Europe going to get its oil from?”

      Europe will have to pay more to import, and US refineries will have to pay more to keep it at home.

      I’m not worried, since high priced oil products that are available are much better than unavailable oil products.

  39. Fast Eddy says:

    Dr Ah Kahn Syed liked your comment on 5 ways to skin a (genetically modified) cat.

    This is brilliant work. And no it is not stupidity or coincidence or whatever… it is INTENTIONAL! And it is not about $$$$ – obviously. This article provides the smoking gun … and it proves that they are planning to exterminate us. I have added it to UEP

    Team Fast Eddy … is growing.

    Joel Smalley Metatron has also given UEP a like.

    The Despair is Building.

    • Fred says:

      Jeez FE, bit worked up today, or what?

      Last time I checked I was still alive, so is Norm and so are 98% of the people around me. Couple of died suddenlys, 1 major stroke, but Hey just routine jab victims.

      Have you thought about which anti-depressants you’re going to take if we’re mostly still alive next year?

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        “bad news” is the antidepressant.

        I doubt that he really understands the complex “bad news” stories that he links to, but he at least gets it at a superficial level that the stories are “bad news”.

        it goes along with being a simpleton, and there should be no shortage of “bad news” in the next couple of decades as IC continues its irreversible decline.

        Q4, Fast Henny, it’s Q4!

        isn’t this the Q where the Collapse happens?

        it’s gotta be this Q4, since there is so much bad news on the internet, and some of it is really bad news, so there.

        but move to Oz because gotta save on taxes.

        but not yet, because tomorrow there should be more “bad news”, maybe on Substack!

        simpletons are gonna be simpletons.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        If you read the actual paper… you might understand what is going down.

        • Replenish says:

          I read the article. From personal experience, if you spam lower quality content people tend to tune out your important contributions. Acting out is all good, that’s your choice. Keeping it green for me, thanks!

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Feel free to remain Delusional. And in denial.

            Most folks are in the same boat.

            Nobody wants to accept that they are being exterminated…

            That’s normally something that happens to rats and cockroaches…

            We are above that … right?

            You can disagree – it is your right — just norm can insist we have visited the moon

            However please explain why this:

            They did something that increased the risk of genome modification?

            Now why would they do that, surely that’s an accident.

            There has to be a reason … what is it?

  40. Fast Eddy says:

    Scanning the comments including those from the author … he has provided the smoking gun .. but he and nobody else is able to connect the dots…

    come on man – how much more obvious can it be – we are being EXTERMINATED!

    Why else would they do this?????

    Oh right – MOREONS don’t want truth – unless it involves a hollywood ending…

  41. Ed says:

    Why is the war so polite? Why no nerve gas, no bio-weapons, no large fuel-air bombs, no fire bombing of Kiev?

    • ivanislav says:

      nerve gas = war crime and universal condemnation and isolation
      bio-weapons = above, plus indescriminate
      fuel-air bombs … thermobarics *are* being used
      fire-bombing = war crime

      btw, the Ukrainians actually have been using nerve agents and releasing videos, but it goes unreported by MSM

    • Fred says:

      Not very polite if you’re one of the 400,000+ dead Ukie cannonfodder, or probably double that injured.

      Russkies are trying hard to keep the non-West onside politically by not doing the Ukie-Na-i indiscriminate killing of non-combatants thang.

      • ivanislav says:

        The combatant/civilian kill ratio is absolutely bonkers, unlike any war in the modern era. Unless you’re a Ukrainian soldier, this war is practically a philanthropic mission.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        How do you know 400k are dead?

        Oh right .. cnnbbc…

        Of course you also took the Rat Juice – on the advice of cnnbbc..


      • Fast Eddy says:


        India becomes the fourth country ever to land a spacecraft on the moon


        • MikeJones says:

          Indian spacecraft heads towards center of solar system

          Better yet Eddie..
          The Aditya-L1 mission, which started its four-month journey towards the center of the solar system on September 2, carries instruments to observe the sun’s outermost layers.

          “The spacecraft has escaped the sphere of Earth’s influence,” the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) said in a statement late Saturday.

          Aditya, named after the Hindu sun deity, has traveled 920,000 kilometers (570,000 miles), just over half the journey’s total distance.

          At that point, the gravitational forces of both astronomical bodies cancel out, allowing the mission to remain in a stable halo orbit around our nearest star.

          “This is the second time in succession that ISRO could send a spacecraft outside the sphere of influence of the Earth, the first time being the Mars Orbiter Mission”, the agency added.

          In August, India became the first country to land a craft near the largely unexplored lunar south pole, and just the fourth nation to land on the moon.

          Rover Pragyan surveyed the vicinity of its landing site but was powered down before the start of lunar night, which lasts roughly two weeks on Earth.

          India had hoped to prolong the mission by reactivating the solar-powered vehicle once daylight returned to the lunar surface, but so far has been greeted by radio silence.

          “It is OK if it does not wake up because the rover has done what it was expected to do,” ISRO chief S. Somanath said Wednesday.

          In 2014, India became the first Asian nation to put a craft into orbit around Mars, and it is slated to launch a three-day crewed mission into Earth orbit by next year.

          The United States and the European Space Agency have sent numerous probes to the center of the solar system, beginning with NASA’s Pioneer program in the 1960s.

          Japan and China have both launched their own solar observatory missions into Earth orbit.

          But if successful, ISRO’s latest mission will be the first by any Asian nation to be placed in orbit around the sun.

          Of course, it’s all fake 🤥

          • Fast Eddy says:

            The closer we get to the implosion — the bigger the lies

          • Dennis L. says:

            Why would a very “poor” country go into space? Why waste money going to the moon?

            Hmm, resources? Pure metals, frictionless movement of same, infinite energy, stuff.

            The future is bright.

            Elon is seemingly close, held up by paperwork. What if someone else, say China, or India decides that NIMBY does not apply? US loses Space X, that would not be good.

            Dennis L.

            • To impress their population, just like the US did.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              The PR Team .. as we approach the nitty gritty phase of deep depletion of affordable energy .. is throwing everything at this to ensure the MOREONS maintain hope in the future… if India can go to the moon (this backwards country that doesn’t have the cash to win an Olympic gold medal)… then we can do ANYTHING. We have Elon

            • Norman Pagett says:

              the indian space program is Modi’s vanity project

              it will bring little benefit, and lead nowhere

            • Or maybe it has the funding of a high school science project.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              As we can see most MOREONS believe that… thing … is on the moon.

              If you owned the Fed… would you allow these MOREONS … to vote and make decisions?

              Of course not — you’d do whatever it takes to ensure they don’t get anywhere near the decision making process…

              And given how stooopid the MOREONS are… it would actually not be that difficult to convince them that they have democracy … and conceal the fact that you are making all the important decisions.

            • Ed says:

              All nations are two tier nations. The doers and movers with money and the minimally useful eaters. Yes, India has many poor that will get nothing out of going to the moon. It is for the 10% that are up and coming.

              I was walking on the campus of Stanford University and a Indian Family passed by. The matriarch was holding forth on the importance of infrastructure development to her kids no doubt students at Stanford. The CEO of IBM is Indian and loves his fine french wines. They are not all poor peasants.

            • Fast Eddy says:


              One would need to be profoundly stooopid… or/and mentally ill:


            • Fast Eddy says:

              What I find with most A Vaxxers as well as OFWers… are they think cuz they are on SS or OFW they think they are intelligent… they are no more intelligent than the MOREONS

              Who in the f789 can possibly believe this???


        • Student says:

          Pictures are even worse than the ones from ’69

          • MikeJones says:

            Are they? Suppose they were using Indian made optics and not Japanese..
            I have an Indian made radio , worse that the 60s
            You guys are too much😜

  42. Mirror on the wall says:

    New evidence has been found of a consistent pattern across 10,000 years of violence between local groups of hunter-gatherers in the Americas. Evidence of HG inter-group violence around the world continues to accumulate. Likely the conflict was over resources. (Humans are territorial and groupish primates in their evolutionary origin.)

    New study reveals a long history of violence in ancient hunter-gatherer societies

    Violence was a consistent part of life among ancient communities of hunter-gatherers, according to a new study co-authored by a Tulane University researcher that looked for signs of trauma on 10,000-year-old skeletal remains from burial sites in northern Chile.

    Archaeological research has shown that interpersonal violence and warfare played an important role in the lives of hunter-gatherer groups over time. Still, many questions remain about the factors that influence such violence. The record of human populations in northern Chile extends across 10,000 years, providing a valuable opportunity to study patterns in violence over time.

    …. In this study, the researchers examined signs of violent trauma on the remains of 288 adult individuals from funerary sites across the Atacama Desert coast, dating from 10,000 years ago to 1450 AD. The group also analyzed patterns in weaponry and artistic depictions of combat during this time. They found that rates of violence were surprisingly static over time. However, a notable increase in lethal violence during the Formative Period [agriculture, pottery, weaving] started around 1000 BC, a trend also found in similar studies of the Andean region. Data from strontium isotopes indicate that this interpersonal violence occurred between local groups, not between local and foreign populations.

    These results indicate that violence was a consistent part of the lives of these ancient populations for many millennia. The absence of a centralized political system during this time might have led to the consistency of violent tensions in the region. It’s also possible that violence resulted from competition for resources in the extreme environment of the desert, a factor which might have become exacerbated as farming became more prominent and widespread.


    A new paper suggests that the initial Modern Human expansion through Eurasia was facilitated by large-scale global warming in the late Pleistocene and the spread of forests and grasslands that allowed hunter-gatherers to forage and hunt. Humans followed the spread of vegetation and the animals that it supported and that is how we got here as climatic-organic phenomena.

    Pollen analysis suggests peopling of Siberia and Europe by modern humans occurred during a major Pleistocene warming spell

    A new study appearing in Science Advances compares Pleistocene vegetation communities around Lake Baikal in Siberia, Russia, to the oldest archeological traces of Homo sapiens in the region. The researchers use the “remarkable evidence” to tell a compelling story from 45,000-50,000 years ago with new detail: how the first humans migrated across Europe and Asia.

    The new pollen data suggest warming temperatures supported forests that expanded into Siberia and facilitated early human migration there, at roughly the same time as more [? eastern?] and western areas of Eurasia.

    Indeed, the pollen data suggest that the dispersal of people occurred during some of the highest temperatures in the late Pleistocene, which also would have featured higher humidity. The ancient pollen record shows coniferous forests and grasslands characterized the region, able to support foraging and hunting by humans. Goebel said the environmental data, combined with archeological evidence, tell a new story.

    • So, global warming enabled the migration of humans. With greater warmth, probably a greater share of children lived to maturity, too.

      We used to hear the story that farming (probably more CO2) kept the world from falling back into an ice age, thus allowing a longer period for humans to prosper.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Let’s hear it for Neil Young again.
      Always blackening the whites and whitewashing the reds.
      But that’s our burden, man.

      Said the condor to the preying mantis
      We’re gonna lose this place just like we lost Atlantis
      Brother we got to go sooner than you know
      The gypsy told my fortune, she said that nothin’ showed

    • Dennis L. says:


      Violence is part of biology and biology works albeit very messy.

      Dennis L.

  43. lurker says:

    one for eddie:

    COVID Vaccines Damage ALL Hearts, Study Finds

    Radiology Tests Detect Myocardial Damage in Covid-vaccinated persons

    A new scientific study by Nakahara et al. tested COVID-vaccinated people to see if they have “silent” changes in heart muscle function that standard radiology tests could detect. The study shows very unsettling results.

    • ivanislav says:

      a scientifically compelling study/result

    • A sad situation. Who wants their heart damaged?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Surely they all have Long Covid … can’t be the vax… right norm keith???

        nevermind… we know have absolute proof that this is an Extinction Event.

        • David says:

          Or it’s a de-population event, leaving ~2 bn behind.

          The cull seems likely to be more severe in the ‘managerial classes’ than in those who do real jobs, e.g. maintaining oil rigs, repairing electrical faults. Better that than the other way around??

      • Student says:

        What has been completely non sense for me is that US, who is a State which wants to wage war almost against everyone, has decided to damage its own soldiers.

        It is like the profit-snake started eating itself out of hunger.

        • Have the millions of young men being ushered into Europe and the US been injected? Those may be the new troops. Please remember that neither the US nor other nation-states are actually in control of their own governments. Rather than a snake eating itself, it’s more like a parasite taking over the host’s body and even its brain.

          • Tim Groves says:

            Moe likely, these guys are the new plantation workers.

            To replace the old plantation workers who are too old, too proud, too smart, too lazy, too uppity, too well fed for too long to be willing to work in the fields  and factories or sweeping the streets or cleaning the latrines. 

            Anyone with a claim on the state, be it pension, social security, medicare, or an entitlement such as welfare, is a potential liability that can save the system money if they can be eliminated without  too much fuss. 

            If the state is controlled by people who weigh everything in terms of money, or numbers  in a ledger, and place no intrinsic value on human life at all, then all sorts of atrocities can happen. 

            Ask yourself for a moment, what barriers of common decency are in place to prevent such atrocities anywhere in the West today? 

            Don’t mention common decency. I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it. Nigel Farage mentioned it and people laughed at him. They thought he was out of the Ark.

    • ivanislav says:

      Fast Eddy knocks out a vaxxer:

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I saw that the other day … outstanding primate behaviour.

        What do you reckon Kow?

          • I listened to a little bit of the one about Briffault’s Law, which is the next to the last one. (The audio is not of the best quality.) This has to do with how a woman evaluates whether to pair up with a man, and how she decides whether to continue this association. I would expect that a woman is making a similar decision.

            I expect that indirectly, this is an energy issue–human energy to deal with problems as well as monetary resources to handle future problems. Two can live more cheaply than one, as the saying goes, but three cannot.

            My experience (mostly from hearing the side of women) is that there are a whole lot more men leaving their wives, generally for younger, prettier women than there are women leaving their husbands.

            As a practical matter, especially in older age groups, there are a whole lot more women than men because women tend to outlive men. There are also a whole lot of unmarriageable men, because of low income, disability, or drug or alcohol addiction. Men with good incomes and in good health are much more likely to marry than those who are not. A lot of women get “left out” simply because there are not enough marriageable men to go around.

            I would expect that the cost of living makes a big difference, as does tax law and the availability of jobs that pay well enough to support a family. Health issues seem to make a difference as well. I have encountered situations in which a husband has chosen not to stick around if health issues of the wife/child become too overwhelming. Parents of children with autism fairly often split up, for example. I have also run into the situation with brain cancer and with breast cancer.

            Women sometimes leave their husbands too. I have run into this with women devoted to jobs and getting ahead. Husbands with chronic drinking problems seem to get left by their wives.

            • i see “B” has another article today


              Saying there is no “elite”—just mass stupidity.

            • Foolish Fitz says:

              It is surely stupidity to say such a thing.

              All ‘advancement’ comes from

              A armed forces
              B bureaucracy
              C corporate power

              That’s the very definition of elite.

              How anyone could argue that the average man on the street leads our direction is quite baffling and no amount of quoting an apologist like Mills makes it believable.
              Interesting that that’s the only part of the article you considered worthy of mention.

            • well fitz

              i didnt bring up stupidity

              but as you did—all advancement in our modern civilisation has come from cheap surplus energy.

              nothing else.

              our current problems have been caused by misuse of it.

              and i mentioned the article as a whole, quoting bits of it here and there would have been pointless

            • Foolish Fitz says:

              Norman, you wrote

              “Saying there is no “elite”—just mass stupidity”

              So it wasn’t me that brought it up(accept you may just be quoting, but by doing so…) and there most certainly is both mass stupidity and a small group that consider themselves elite(deadly stupidity).

              I don’t disagree with the rest(well, the last paragraph seems a bit odd. Gails article is about India and a potential future and b mentioned the same. That would have been a more fitting part to quote, rather than the patently untrue).

              If you doubt that there are such people, just ask the The House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha(it was Chas that ushered in the preplanned “The New Normal”. Probably just a coincidence, like all the other preplanned changes).

            • I don’t object to this statement as much as you do:

              “Fate is shaping history when what happens to us was intended by no one and was the summary outcome of innumerable small decisions about other matters by innumerable people.”

              I see the problem as the self-organizing system creating huge wage and wealth disparities when there are not enough resources to go around. The individuals making up the system act in their own self-interests. The self-organizing system has as part of its structure many parts with more power than others, including the military, politicians, and leaders of major companies. The system eventually tends to break (or rip or collapse) into smaller pieces. The outcome generally doesn’t correspond to the will of those in power. It instead depends on the Maximum Power Principle and Survival of the Best Adapted.

            • Foolish Fitz says:

              Fair point Gail, but those that deny that there are are those with excessive power, that collude for their own ends, seems rather imbecilic. A brief look at history shows this beyond doubt.

              Norman and b might want to read Lelia Green’s Communication, Technology and Society.

              Here’s a quick read from her that mentions the A,B,Cs and D & E(now we’re all hooked like sad addicts).


              We might be participating and somewhat willingly, but we are never allowed to lead or decide the path we take. If I told you 30 years ago that a computer would end up keeping records of every key stroke, be able to record you without your consent and be used to dominate how you interacted with most people, would you have been so keen to purchase for yourself or your children?
              We all loved the sales brochure, but never considered the other side. They did and that’s why we were not informed.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Those who end up in power and appear to make the decisions … get there just as genes evolve in the survival of the fittest… the fittest will always reach the top … and appear to be making decisions … because this is how the system works… there never is an alternative… it’s like cream rising to the top… they don’t get to choose

            • Fast Eddy says:

              There are also a whole lot of unmarriageable men, because of low income, disability, or drug or alcohol addiction.

              They are ok with this cuz the PR Team gave them p-orn on demand and rubber s.ex dolls

            • This is the group that seems to be die early, because of accidents, suicide or drug overdoses.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            The engine is low on lubricant … and the primitive MOREONS are pressing harder on the gas peddle… come on f789er… we want MORE .. MORE… pumping furiously …


            Fast is off on a bucket list trip today … last outpost before the Big Ice… seems there is no Gent’s club though … not sure what I’ll do during the evenings… 🙁


  44. Fast Eddy says:

    I would like to lock a Vaxxer in a room and pry open his eyes and ears and present that horror story to them …

    Remember this scene … it’s kinda like this but worse

    Every single vaxxer.. 1 shot 2 shots 8 shots… dunnae matter… has been hijacked..

    They are DOOMED

    We will have some time to drink Champagne before we starve so stock up NOW

    • Neil says:

      But some may only be ‘doomed’ when they get to 95 – those who eat healthily, exercise and take a few supplements like nattokinase.

  45. Fast Eddy says:

    Read it and weep … The Horror… The Horror

  46. Fast Eddy says:

    and here we have… the smoking gun:

    Now here’s the kicker. The Furin Cleavage Site, that was touted as the scary insertion that caused virulence of the scary virus – was kept in the vaccine sequence.

    That’s right. The highly toxic and inflammatory amino acid sequence QTNSPRRARSV, that was supposed to be one of the reasons for the “cytokine storm” (that was later found to be fake), was retained in the “vaccine” design. This is not normal in vaccine design and in fact the Spikogen vaccine removed this inflammatory fragment from its design, as it should.

    So, why would vaccine manufacturers (other than for Spikogen) keep this component in? Well, obviously it has nothing to do with the fact that the furin cleavage site contains this sequence: PRRARSV

    Which is exactly the same sequence as documented in the Sattar paper above and is a Nuclear Localisation sequence (NLS).

    In other words, the retention of the “furin cleavage site” part of the spike protein – which is highly inflammatory and should not have been kept in the design of a vaccine – rendered an additional method by which any fragments of DNA that were present could be transported to the nucleus and integrated into the genome.

    What a coincidence!

    Imagine incorporating something that the industry knew was dangerous into a RNA vaccine “not knowing” that this very thing would make any “contaminant” DNA get into the nucleus.

    How unlucky do these researchers have to be?

    How cool is this!!!!

    No Reset.

    Repeat after me…


    All Vaxxer Die’

    How about a Givesendgo so we can donate $$$ so they can purchase shovels to pre-dig their graves? hahahahahahaha F789 yeah!

  47. Fast Eddy says:

    This is extremely important… extremely … I’ve added it to UEP

    Seems like the changes are permanent … even Fizzer says so… seems like the body does not ‘reset’ as some on OFW have insisted.

    6 billion ticking bombs… tick tock…

    The cannisters are standing by… Yr of the Rabbit … 2023…

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