COVID-19 Vaccines Don’t Really Work as Hoped

Last week, the CDC announced a surprising finding: “Delta infection resulted in similarly high SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated people.” Public officials had known from the early days of vaccine development that vaccinated people could catch COVID-19, but the assumption had been made that they were not going to be spreaders of COVID-19.

It turns out that the delta variant is sufficiently different from the original Wuhan version of the virus that the vaccines work much less well. The CDC performed an analysis of COVID-19 cases arising from one public gathering in Massachusetts. They found that the gathering led to 469 COVID-19 Delta cases among Massachusetts residents, with 74% of these cases in fully vaccinated attendees. Massachusetts is a highly vaccinated state, with approximately 64% of the population fully vaccinated.

There are other issues coming up as well. How long does the vaccine really last? Is the vaccine itself part of the reason that the virus is mutating as rapidly as it is? Are we making problems for ourselves by creating an army of people with very light cases of COVID-19 who can spread the virus to both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated without realizing that they have more than a cold? Aren’t we inadvertently killing off the least able of the virus mutations and allowing the most virulent to multiply?

My training is as an actuary, so I am familiar with modeling. I am also a “systems thinker.” I know that it is important to look at longer term impacts as well as short-term impacts. If a person works in the healthcare field, it is easy to consider only the obvious short-term benefits. It takes some analysis to figure out that today’s vaccines may lead to stronger variants (such as Delta) and more overall spread of COVID-19.

In this post, I will explain some of the issues involved.

[1] Today’s vaccines provide only a fraction of the true level of protection required. Their actions are in many ways similar to applying weed killer at half the strength needed to kill the weeds or providing antibiotics at half the dose required to stop the spread of bacteria.

All of our lives, we have been told, “Be sure to complete the full course of the antibiotics. It is necessary to kill all of the bacteria. Otherwise, it will be easier for a few of the stronger bacteria not to be affected. If you stop too early, the bacteria that are least affected by the antibiotic will survive and reproduce, while the others will die. Stopping the drug too soon is a great way to achieve antibiotic resistance, quickly.”

Unfortunately, COVID-19 vaccine makers seem to have overlooked this issue. The respected BMJ published an editorial entitled, Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us. It makes the point:

Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, said, “Ideally, you want an antiviral vaccine to do two things . . . first, reduce the likelihood you will get severely ill and go to the hospital, and two, prevent infection and therefore interrupt disease transmission.”

Yet the current phase III trials are not actually set up to prove either.

We were told that the new COVID-19 vaccines are “95% effective in preventing symptomatic disease,” but it turns out that this is far less adequate than what most people would assume. The vaccine is “leaky.” A big issue is that the virus mutates, and the vaccine works much less well against the mutations. The world can never reach herd immunity if immunized people keep catching new variants of COVID-19 and keep passing them on, as the evidence now suggests.

[2] In a way, getting sick from a virus is helpful. It tells us to stay at home, away from others. It is the fact that humans experience symptoms from viruses that tends to limit their spread.

If a virus has severe symptoms, those infected with the virus will not feel well enough to continue their usual activities. They will tend to stay at home.

If the symptoms are mild, as is the case with the common cold, people will likely go about their activities as usual. This is especially the case if people need to work to feed their families. Thus, viruses with mild symptoms often spread easily.

But, if citizens feel that they are protected by a vaccine, they will likely continue to go about their activities as usual. Most of them will not realize that they might be spreaders of Delta, and perhaps other new COVID-19 variants. Symptoms are likely to be mild or non-existent.

[3] It is becoming clear that people immunized with today’s vaccines can both catch the delta variant and spread it to others.

As I mentioned above, the CDC concluded from looking at its analysis of 469 delta cases that the infection resulted in similarly high SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals.

We have independent corroboration of the ability of vaccinated individuals to spread delta COVID-19 in a new analysis from Singapore. This article reports, “PCR cycle threshold (Ct) values were similar between both vaccinated and unvaccinated groups at diagnosis.” This is precisely the information that the CDC was relying on in Massachusetts when they reported that there were similarly high SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated people. While this analysis has not yet been peer reviewed, it reaches precisely the same conclusion with respect to early viral load as the Massachusetts analysis.

The data from this same Singapore study indicates that there are about 3 times as many asymptomatic cases in the vaccinated (28.2%) as the unvaccinated (9.2%). The median number of symptoms reported by the vaccinated was 1, compared to 2 in the unvaccinated. Among the vaccinated, the most frequent symptoms were fever (40.9%), runny nose (38%) and cough (38%). One of these symptoms, especially if it occurred only briefly, could easily be overlooked as a sign of COVID-19.

[4] With nearly all of the current vaccines, the immune system is trained to look for the spike protein from the original Wuhan virus. This narrow focus makes it relatively easy for the virus to mutate in ways that outsmart the vaccine.

A “History of Vaccines” website indicates that there are several ways vaccines are being made, including weakened (“attenuated”) viruses, killed viruses, and segments of the pathogen. In the new COVID-19 vaccines, a particularly limited part of the virus is used, the spike protein. In fact, in the newer vaccines, only an mRNA code is injected, and the body is instructed to make the spike protein itself.

Using a very narrow target has made it easier for viruses to evade the effects of the vaccine. Delta is one variant of the original virus from Wuhan that is evading vaccines through its mutations. Another such variant is Lambda, which caused serious problems in Chile in the spring of 2021, despite vaccine usage as high as 60%. The virus underlying all of these variants is called SARS-CoV-2, reflecting the fact that this virus is closely related to the virus which caused the 2003 SARS epidemic.

Since vaccination began about December 15, 2020, we have so far encountered two variants that are poorly controlled by vaccines. This is not a promising sign for the long-term success of COVID-19 vaccines. As more time goes on, we can expect more such variants. These variants do not necessarily stay around for more than a few months, making it difficult to create and distribute new specially targeted vaccines.

[5] Given the likelihood of mutations away from the narrow target, it seems strange that the governments have set very high expectations for the new vaccines.

It seems to me that Pfizer and Moderna should have said, “We are producing new vaccines that will somewhat lessen symptoms. In a way, they will be like the annual influenza vaccines that various companies make each year. We will need to update the vaccines regularly, but we will likely miss. Hopefully, our guess regarding what will work will be ‘close enough,’ so the vaccine will provide some partial benefit for the upcoming variations.”

Such a statement would have provided a more realistic set of expectations, compared to what many people have been assuming. No one would expect that herd immunity would ever be reached. The vaccines would be perceived as fairly weak tools that need to be used alongside medications, if they are to be used at all.

[6] Leaky vaccines, if widely used, can encourage the virus to mutate toward more virulent (severe) forms. Ultimately, the problem becomes viruses that mutate to more virulent forms faster than the vaccine system can keep up.

If, as we are seeing today, vaccinated people can catch the variant and pass it on to both vaccinated and unvaccinated people, this extra boost can help the variant tremendously in its ability to spread. This extra boost is especially helpful for the variants that are very virulent, since in the normal situation, people who catch a virulent variant would recognize that they are sick and stay at home.

There would normally be a limit on how much the variant could spread based on its impact on the unvaccinated. This limit goes away if both the vaccinated and unvaccinated can catch and spread the illness. Without a vaccine, the variants might be either more or less virulent, with the more virulent tending to die out because the people who get them either die or stay at home because they are very ill. I would expect that this is the reason why quite a few viruses tend to become less severe (virulent) over time, when leaky vaccines are not available to artificially boost their virulence.

The article, Vaccines are Pushing Pathogens to Evolve, gives the example of how the vaccines for Marek’s disease in chickens have been failing, as the disease gradually evolves to become more virulent under pressure from the vaccines being used to keep this illness away. The first vaccine was introduced in 1970. A decade later, outbreaks of Marek’s disease began to be found in vaccinated flocks. A second vaccine was licensed in 1983, but it too began to fail. When the article was written in 2018 the industry was on its third vaccine, but it too was beginning to fail, as the disease became more deadly. But there was no new vaccine yet available.

A 2015 article in PLOS Biology is entitled, Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens. A person would think everyone involved in vaccine technology would be very much aware of this issue.

The chase after new vaccines is precisely the problem we can expect to have with the vaccines for COVID-19. Only, our problem with the vaccine not really working correctly is coming after a few months, not 10 years. Trying to keep up with new vaccines for a virus that evolves away from us, this quickly, is likely to be an impossible task. It is not just the unvaccinated who have a problem; it is everyone, as the vaccines quickly lose their effectiveness.

[7] Another potential problem with COVID-19 vaccines is Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE). When this occurs, it worsens later infections by different variants.

ADE is a rather strange condition in which the antibodies against one variant gained from a first infection (or immunization) act to make some later infections by a different variant worse, rather than better. Dengue Fever is an example of an illness for which this is an issue.

Dr. Robert Malone thinks that ADE may be happening now for COVID-19. He sees the high virus levels in immunized individuals as evidence of possible ADE.

The large number of immunized patients in the hospital with COVID-19 in Israel (which has mostly Delta cases) is also given as possible evidence:

Figure 1. Image from Israel’s official COVID-19 website, showing new hospitalizations and new severe patients separately for fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated, and unvaccinated individuals.

The illness SARS is closely related to COVID-19. There is evidence that vaccinations against SARS tend to produce ADE. In fact, the National Institute of Health provided funding for a 2020 academic paper that reaches the following conclusion:

The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standards for informed consent.

[8] Another problem with the current vaccines against COVID-19 is that immunity may not last very long.

The virus that causes COVID-19 is a coronavirus. The common cold is another illness caused by a coronavirus. We know the immunity of the common cold doesn’t last very long, perhaps a year. While we don’t have long-term experience with COVID-19 vaccine immunity, we shouldn’t be surprised if its immunity begins to wane within a few months, or in a year or two.

Israel, after analyzing its recent COVID-19 experience (almost all with the Delta variant), is now offering anyone over 60 who was vaccinated more than 5 months ago a booster shot. Third doses are also being given to those with weakened immune systems.

It should be noted that if immunity doesn’t last very long, any strategy of “flattening the curve” by stretching out COVID-19 cases becomes counterproductive because it runs the risk of moving the timeframe of the next cycle beyond the time when natural (and vaccine-induced) immunity is still operative.

[9] The public has been led to believe that vaccines are the only solution to COVID-19 when, in fact, they are at best a very poor and temporary band-aid.

Vaccines are a tempting solution because the benefits have been oversold and no one has explained how poorly today’s leaky vaccines really work.

We are already past the period when these vaccines were well matched with the viruses they were aimed at. Now we are in a situation in which the viruses are constantly mutating, and the vaccines need to be updated. The catch is that the variants stick around for such a short time period that by the time the vaccine is updated, there is likely to be yet another new variant that the new vaccine does not really match up with well.

Requirements that employees be vaccinated against COVID-19 cannot be expected to provide much benefit to employers because workers will still be out sick with COVID-19. This happens because they are likely to catch a variant such as Delta, which does not line up with the original vaccine. Perhaps they will be out for a shorter period, and their hospital bills will be lower. These types of benefits are what people have expected of influenza vaccines. There is no reason for them to expect more of the new COVID-19 vaccines.

Even with 100% vaccination herd immunity can never be reached because the vaccine encourages the virus to mutate into more virulent forms. Each new variant stays around for only a few months, making it hard for vaccine makers to keep up with the changing nature of the problem. Vaccine makers can expect to face a constant battle in having to run to stay even. Someone will have to convince citizens that each new vaccine makes sense, even though injuries reported to the US Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System seem to be much more frequent than those reported for vaccines for other diseases.

An erroneous, one-sided story is being told to the general public, in part because the pharmaceutical lobby is incredibly powerful. It has the support of influential people, such as Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates. The pharmaceutical industry can make billions of dollars in income from the sale of vaccines, with little in the way of sales expenses. The industry has managed to convince people that it is OK to sell these vaccines, even though injury rates are very high compared to those for vaccines in general.

Vaccines are being pushed in large part because the pharmaceutical industry needs a money maker. It also wants to be seen as having cutting-edge technology, so young people will be attracted to the field. It cannot admit to anyone that technologies from decades ago would perhaps work better to solve the COVID-19 problem.

[10] The pharmaceutical industry has been telling the world that inexpensive drugs can’t fix our problem. However, there are several low-cost drugs that appear helpful.

One drug that is being overlooked is ivermectin, which was discovered in the late 1970s. It was originally introduced as a veterinary drug to cure parasitic infections in animals. In the U. S., ivermectin has been used since 1987 for eliminating parasites such as ringworm in humans. Ivermectin seems to cure COVID-19 in humans, but it needs a higher dosage than has been previously approved. Also, it would not be a money maker for the pharmaceutical industry.

The possible use of ivermectin to cure COVID-19 seems to have been intentionally hidden. At approximately 32:45 in this linked video, Dr. David Martin explains how Moderna announced ivermectin’s utility in treating SARS (which is closely related to SARS-CoV-2) in its 2016-2018 patent modification related to the SARS virus. It sounds as though Moderna (and others) have participated both in developing harmful viruses and in developing vaccines to cure very closely related viruses. They then work to prevent the sale of cheap drugs that might reduce their sales of vaccines. This seems unconscionable.

Vitamin D, in high enough doses, taken well before exposure to the virus that causes COVID-19, seems to lead to reduced severity of the disease, and may eliminate some cases completely.

Various steroid drugs are often used in the later stages of COVID-19, when conditions warrant it. The medical community seems to have no difficulty with these.

Monoclonal antibodies are also used in the treatment of COVID-19, but they are much more expensive.

[11] Conclusion. Governments, businesses, and citizens need to understand that today’s vaccines are not really solutions to our COVID-19 problem. At the same time, they need better solutions.

Current vaccines have been badly oversold. They can be expected to make the mutation problem worse, and they don’t stop the spread of variants. Instead, we need to start quickly to make ivermectin and other inexpensive drugs available through healthcare systems. People do need some sort of solution to the problem of COVID-19 illnesses; it just turns out that the current vaccines work so poorly that they probably should not be part of the solution.

The whole idea of vaccine passports is absurd. Even with the vaccine, people will catch the new COVID-19 variants, and they will pass them on to others. Perhaps they may get lighter symptoms, so that they will be off work for a shorter length of time, but there still will be disruption. If those who catch COVID-19 can instead take ivermectin at a high enough dose at the first sign of illness, many (or most) of them can get well in a few days and avoid hospitalization completely. Other medications may be helpful as well.

I am skeptical that masks can do any good with the high level of transmission of Delta. But at least masks aren’t very harmful. We probably need to go along with what is requested by officials.

It is becoming clear that today’s pharmaceutical industry is far too powerful. Investigations need to be made into the large number of allegations against it and its leaders. Why did members of the pharmaceutical industry find it necessary to patent viruses, and then later sell vaccines for a virus closely related to the viruses it had patented?

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,978 Responses to COVID-19 Vaccines Don’t Really Work as Hoped

  1. Fast Eddy says:


    FDA Moving Towards Decision Authorizing Booster Shot for Immunocompromised

    The FDA is nearing a decision to authorize Covid-19 booster shots for certain people with weak immune systems, a shift in the American vaccination..

  2. Lastcall says:

    ‘Why Don’t They Believe Us?
    You’re struggling to understand where all this vaccine hesitancy comes from. Let me help you.

    The same people who told you Brexit would never happen, that Trump would never win, that when he did win it was because of Russian collusion but also because of racism, that you must follow lockdowns while they don’t, that masks don’t work, that masks do work, that social justice protests during pandemic lockdowns are a form of “health intervention,” that ransacking African American communities in the name of fighting racism is a “mostly peaceful” form of protest, that poor and underserved children locked out of shuttered schools are “still learning,” that Jussie Smollett was a victim of a hate crime, that men are toxic, that there is an infinite number of genders, that COVID couldn’t have come from a lab until maybe it did, that closing borders is racist until maybe it isn’t, that you shouldn’t take Trump’s vaccine, that you must take the vaccine developed during the Trump administration, that Andrew Cuomo is a great leader, that Andrew Cuomo is a granny killer, that the number of COVID deaths is one thing and then another … are the same people telling you now that the vaccine is safe, that you must take it, and that if you don’t, you will be a second-class citizen.’

    • Xabier says:

      In other word the nobodies who, being nothing in themselves, enable tyranny everywhere and assist in building the prison and maintaining it.

      Seeing this, one understands those who, when they arrived at the concentration camps, realised that the other inmates were their enemies as much or even more than the Germans.

      Many of them were broken by that first shock.

      The trick is to survive the shock of realisation.

      • DB says:

        I agree. Anybody who puts himself in danger through willful ignorance or wishful thinking is a potential threat to others, as that ignorance and wishful thinking can be used to put others in danger. If a person can’t safeguard for his or her own interest, how could he or she be expected to respect someone else’s?

  3. Tim Groves says:

    In France, you could get fined for the crime of being in the wrong place without a smartphone.

    I for one find this “digital vaccine passport” idea distinctly dystopian and I am expecting things to get much much worse.

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    CDC Study Claiming Unvaccinated Have More Than Double the Risk of Re-infection is Full of Holes

  5. Fast Eddy says:

    Viruses will spread, especially viruses that are new to a population’s immune systems, because that’s what they do, and eventually they burn out. It’s as simple as that. But our current unsound psychological state of collective techno-narcissism made it easy for the public health authorities to put over the next stupid idea: that a miraculous vaccine could be engineered at “warp speed” to defeat the spread of Covid-19, a virus with a strikingly low death rate. Sunday, August 8, 171 people died of it in the USA, for a seven-day average of 516 deaths (stats from The New York Times), out of 330-plus-million citizens, and Gawd knows how many others here illegally. This has been termed “a surge.”

    Speaking of people here illegally, the same government officials who bemoan the new “surge” in virus cases are the very ones deliberately allowing an unchecked surge of border-jumpers from all corners of the world to enter the USA from Mexico, many of them infected with new strains of Covid-19. And, if that wasn’t fiendish enough, the regime is putting them on airplanes and buses to towns all over America like fifty-thousand Typhoid Marys. That is, the federal government is doing all it can to worsen the spread of new strains of Covid-19.

    This is the same outfit, under “Joe Biden,” that is making noises about a national vaccine mandate, for vaccines that are not actually vaccines, strictly speaking. We just call them that to reinforce our techno-narcissistic faith in miracle cures. After eight months of experimenting with these biochemical cocktails, there is very good reason to believe that they are unsafe, especially the latent effects of their main active ingredient, the spike protein, which can insidiously induce damage to blood vessels. No, thank you.

    This was on top of the proposition that attempting mass “vaccinations” at the height of an epidemic accelerates the evolution of variant viruses via antibody dependent enhancement in those vaccinated, causing the virus to become more infectious and replicate at higher levels — which has happened in every other coronavirus vaccine development program ever attempted — while the efficacy of the vaccines wanes over a few months’ time.

    Could you paint a picture of a greater public health policy fiasco? Really, the emerging questions about all this must be: 1) Have they done it on purpose? And 2) Is all the messaging confusion the result of Dr. Anthony Fauci desperately trying to cover his ass for his role in developing Covid-19, as well as the so-called vaccines marshaled to heroically defeat it? Perhaps both.

    • James Kunstler says things that I probably wouldn’t say, but I might think.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        As does Fast Eddy… ??? tee hee….

        Surely you must (momentarily) think about taking an axe and hacking up a few DelusiSTANIS….

        It’s human nature.

    • Ed says:

      you left out this part

      You could construct a case that it was done on-purpose and, in this age of manufactured narratives, some have proposed the story that the disease was a mere excuse to introduce a slow-working lethal pseudo-vaccine to reduce the global population efficiently and drastically — so that nefarious “elites” could enjoy life (and its immortal transhuman successor state) on a planet uncluttered by billions of human riffraff.

      That story has seemed pretty preposterous to me. More likely, the hyper-ambitious and heedless Dr. Fauci just got in too deep with China’s PLA-connected bioweapons lab in his mad scientist quest to be remembered as the man who defeated all coronaviruses with a single silver bullet — enabling a “release” of this virus, with (from China’s point of view) the advantageous weakening of Western economies, and the socio-political destruction of their once-cohesive cultures. If so, well done!

      • Ed says:

        I too tip my hat to the CCP, well played.

      • DB says:

        Watch the David Martin video with Reiner Fuellmich. The CCP was a late stage player in a 22+ year effort led by the USA (NIH, CDC, US Army, others) to develop man-made coronaviruses and pseudo-vaccines as bioweapons. It is difficult to balance this extremely well-documented public history with any explanation other than an intent to wreak harm. Couple that with an unprecedented rapid and universal global coordination in response to COVID, and other possible explanations seem to fall away. Note that even for HIV, 40 years on, has not yet resultws in a universal alignment across all countries on the core response, despite political pressure from the West, greed by big pharma, and human incompetence.

  6. Lastcall says:

    An eleven stage outline Archruid style Ends with…

    ‘The Endgame
    When ADE becomes too widespread to ignore and people begin to die in significant numbers, expect governments to proclaim the arrival of the predicted new hyper-lethal variant and impose a new round of shutdowns, mask mandates, and the like. The media will insist that the people who are dying are all unvaccinated as long as they can get away with it; pay attention to the vaccination status and health outcomes of people you know for a reality check. Unless some way of stopping ADE-enhanced infections can be found in a hurry, medical systems will buckle under the caseload and triage will become the order of the day. How soon this will happen, if it does, is impossible to say in advance. It’s also impossible to know in advance how soon it will become clear that the vaccines are responsible—or just how violent a backlash against the political and economic establishment this could provoke.’

    ….Nonetheless, it’s possible that the scenario I’ve sketched out is going to happen in the months immediately ahead of us. I would encourage my readers to assess this possibility and consider getting ready to weather a crisis several months in length, during which food and other necessities may be available only intermittently, medical care may be completely out of reach, and local, state, and national governments may not be able to do much more than flail helplessly and try to pass the buck. If anything like what I’ve described here happens, it will be a world-class mess, and a few basic preparations might go a long way to keep you and your loved ones safe and sound.

    • Thanks for reminding us of John Michael Greer’s outcome.

      It is strange (in a way) that several Peak Oil writers have moved in the direction of writing about COVID-19 and its vaccines, and how awful the situation is.

      At the same time, the Atlanta “peak oil” group that I used to belong to has moved in the direction of a group of 65+ year old individuals worshiping vaccines and what they can do. They now include in their invitations, “Only open to those who have been vaccinated.” Of course, before this, they were moving in the direction of “renewables will save us” and “low prices mean that we will have oil forever.”

      There seem to be two different mindsets.

      • NomadicBeer says:

        I think most peak-oilers just like most greenies never accepted what they were professing as true. It reminds me of the fact that most people are rationalizing, not rational.
        Basically most people will follow the crowd independent of what they say.

        Even here there are people that are hard pressed to explain their decision to vaccinate- if they were honest with themselves they would accept they never thought about it, they just followed propaganda.

        That’s why Norm, Dunc, Bei are invisible in all the threads about the failure of the jabs

        • I think I can speak in general terms for others you mention.

          100 years ago there was a virus as virulent as this one. It wasn’t ‘created’–it jumped out of a chicken farm into humans.
          No plots, conspiracies, hoaxes—-and no social media to create them.

          and no vaccines.

          Fast forward to now, and we have a knee jerk reaction on the part of governments needing to be seen to be ‘doing something’.
          When in fact no one knows what to do. Least of all me.
          The virus is a kickback from nature as a reaction to our predations. Just as it was in 1920.
          Just as it will again.

          so what one demands as ‘right’—another screams ‘wrong’

          suddenly the virus and vaccines become political footballs.

          people vote for politicians who spout off what they want to hear.

          The virus is a chinese hoax–that makes sense—lets vote for Trump. Fauci is working for the Chinese/Russians/Koreans (cross out which does not apply)

          State leaders make ‘virus/vaccination’ laws according to political beliefs. (check that out)

          in no time at all social media infects everyone—and I am being told that its all a plot by Gates/Musk/Bezos to reduce global population so they can appropriate global resources for themselves to ‘make them last longer’.
          Despite the obvious flaws in that line of argument.

          Theres a secret cabal of billionaires wanting to…………. (you name it)

          We are being injected with iron filings so we can be tracked through 5G masts

          Then students of Dr Mengele are coming to take my g/grandkids for medical experiments.
          All the above—and much much more have been offered as ‘truth’ on OFW.

          I can only respond with laughter. (the alternative isn’t good)—especially at some of the clickbait youtubes I am expected to accept as ‘truth’,

          And I and others are diagnosed with various aspects of insanity for disagreeing with it.

          When the reality is that people just walk away from eternal posturing and barstooling by one or another’s ‘certainties’—scattergun words with little or no substance.

          • TIm Groves says:

            When in fact no one knows what to do. Least of all me.

            So you went ahead and took two jabs of Trumpy’s vaccine? Potentially ending your ability to father any more children? Wasn’t that a bit radical?

            And because I know you are liable to get too excited, and I wouldn’t want to get your spikes agitated and turn up your graphene-induced magnetism to the point where you bend spoons whenever you are in range of a 5G antenna, I’ll add a 🙂 mark to reassure you that I’m only jesting.

          • Artleads says:

            An observer with no ax to grind might pick up on a couple other things.

            – It wasn’t hard to discern that all the early talk about masks was leading to something more.

            – It was equally easy to observe that the something more was universal testing, which in turn would lead to vaccination mandates.

            – It was fairly easy to see that information on the virus was confusing, incoherent and inconsistent.

            – Medical ethics today are no way like what they were in earlier times. Depletion of resources and all that/

            – Even in an old person’s lifetime, nothing so sudden, binding, far reaching or determinative has ever been witnessed (not even for those of us born prior to WWII).

            • I thought I summed it all up with:

              When in fact no one knows what to do. Least of all me.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Just continue to Do What You Are Told Norm…. the latest edict involves the Booster Clot Shot.

              This one is definitely 95% effective… trust the BBC

            • Artleads says:


              Why should they have been trusted?

            • Artleads says:

              Norman, please ignore my latest comment. I think your previous reply was quite graceful, and that should be good enough.

            • Ed says:

              Art, yes the scope is breathe taking. Te failure or doctors, politicians, judges, DAs, military creates a new world order sadly.

            • DB says:

              Wonderful summary, Artleads!

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Oh wow —THAT is old! You guys are the lucky ones… your life is already over… you must be riddled with all sorts of ailments… if the world ends this year… it’s doing you fellas a favour!

              Congratulations … on being so old

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Stoooopidity is fungible.

  7. Fast Eddy says:

    I can guarantee there will be some outbreaks as the school year starts… to punish parents who don’t inject their children…. this will test their resolve…

    TORONTO — The Ontario government has released new guidelines confirming different isolation rules for vaccinated students and staff, while also outlining what may happen in the event of a COVID-19 outbreak at a school this fall.

    The document, released late Wednesday morning and entitled “COVID-19 Guidance: School Case, Contact and Outbreak Management,” states that individuals who are fully vaccinated and asymptomatic are not required to isolate after a high-risk exposure to the virus.

    Therefore, they do not need to be dismissed from school.

    Those who are not fully immunized and were exposed to COVID-19 as a high-risk contact must isolate for 10 days. The guidelines indicate testing is recommended on day seven of their isolation period and the isolation should begin on the last day of the known exposure.

    Most CovIDIOT parents I know – who have had the Injection — have stated their kids will not be Injected … let’s see how solid their resolve is…

  8. Fast Eddy says:


    Anti-vax nurse ‘injected 8600 people with saline solution instead of vaccine’

    A rogue anti-vax nurse is being investigated after allegedly injecting up to 8600 people with a saline solution instead of a Covid-19 vaccine.

    German authorities are now advising thousands of people to get another Covid-19 jab in case they received the dummy earlier this year.

    A German Red Cross nurse is suspected of injecting salt solution into people’s arms instead of genuine Covid-19 vaccinations at a centre in northern Germany.

    “I am totally shocked by this episode,” Sven Ambrosy, a local councillor, said on Facebook as local authorities issued the call on Tuesday to about 8600 residents who may have been affected.

    “Today I had the sad duty to inform around 8600 people who may have been affected that it cannot be ruled out they may have received a saline solution instead of their vaccination at their vaccination appointment.

    “For peace of mind we would recommend people get an additional vaccination,” Ambrosy said.

    • Kowalainen says:


    • Tim Groves says:

      This is almost as bad as selling fake insurance. All these people walking around thinking they were protected, when the horrible truth was that, officially they were!

    • Xabier says:

      Amusing, good for her!

      ‘For your peace of mind, citizens, make sure you get something really dangerous injected as soon as possible – the authorities will be happy to help!’

  9. davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

    the world is nearing a peak in cognitive dissonance, and this is mainly in vaxed people. The unraveling of the vaccine narrative is gaining speed, as more evidence emerges not only of the total failure of the vaccines to end the pandemic, but also that the vaccines seem to be causing vaxed people to be more susceptible to additional health problems, due to variants and ADE.

    how will this situation resolve?

    it would be totally disssgusting if the pro vaccine side prevails, and vaccine passports and/or mandates become the standard.

    it’s a race to see which prevails, and I hope the true narrative of mRNA vaccine failure prevails.

    • Rodster says:

      “it would be totally disssgusting if the pro vaccine side prevails, and vaccine passports and/or mandates become the standard.”

      There’s growing protests and violence throughout Europe for this very same reason. People generally don’t like to be forced to do something, especially if they think it’s going to harm them. So expect civil unrest if it gets to the point of forcing people to get vaccinated.

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        you might be correct about civil unrest.

        it would be much better if it didn’t get that far. That’s where if the mRNA failure would become the accepted narrative, then such civil unrest could be avoided.

        I’m usually biased towards optimism, so I feel there’s a good chance that it won’t come down to protesters in front of the supermarkets where I shop, if they won’t less us unvaxed have normal freedom (which would be a blow to bAU tonight etc).

        but it might be somewhat exciting to see.

        gov/MSM/BigPharma are a united front, so the true narrative of the failed mRNA vaccines has a hard path to success ahead.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I’d enjoy a vaxxed vs unvaxxed civil war. Great excuse to dust off the barrels….

          • Hubbs says:

            LOL. I Have an old Springfield Armory SAR 48, full auto rifle, a metric clone of the venerable FN-FAL .308 or 7.62-51 caliber which that I bought 25 years ago, no longer made, for which I thought I had no magazines. These are extremely rare as the SAR-48 was discontinued 20 years ago, and no other magazines, even from the other metric clone , the Brazilian FN- FAL clone (the L1A1) will work. I just discovered I had 10 of these SAR-48 magazines stashed away all along, slightly rusted and have been immersing them in rust dissolving solution and have restored them. I feel sorry for Canadians, Australians, and New Zealanders who have relinquished their firearms.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Only the rapid fire ones…

              A CovIDIOT that I know … who does not buy into ‘this is a plan’ theory (yet…) is extremely frustrated with the increasing restrictions (he told me it was over in the US a couple of months ago… I told him – wait till the Delta hits…) sent me a link to schools going remote again in parts of the US… none to pleased with this development….

              I mentioned that maybe those folks with all g.uns and a.mmo might decide enough is enough at some point….

              His response — yes.

              I do not think this will kick off… anyone even thinking of such actions … is being monitored… anyone lifting a pitch fork … will be arrested as terrorists… or shot dead.

              If people were serious about this — all they would need to do is organize mass strikes. That’s much more tame (but more effective) than going pitchfork…. yet nothing…. if you are not willing to stop working — then you surely are not willing to risk being jailed for terrorism….

              Resistance… is futile…. the die is cast…

        • Tim Groves says:

          You don’t want to see Macron dangling like a pendulum from the Eiffel Tower, then?

          I suspect that millions of French people would relish the spectacle.

          On the other hand, it might come down to cattle trucks for the unvaxed. Just letting them stew in their homes while the vaxed go about their normal business is not viable over the long term. The authorities would have to at least ghettoize them or possibly put them on those islands that used to be reserved for lepers.

          The latter might be quite tolerable. The unvaxed could live in their own communities of people just like them, and no longer be bothered by the sheeple. It would be a gated community of sorts, but it might also be a new hope for the human race when it is devastated by ADE, since those gates and machine gun nests would keep the zombies out.

          • Kowalainen says:

            Sounds good to me.

            How about a castle between the obnoxious and NPC’s of kiwiland?

            I think we are entitled the end of the world party after court jestering at the conclusion of an epoch. No?

            I guess not…

            Time to prepare for dishing out some oh noes on the steed of carbon fiber and aluminum alloys.




    • Minority of One says:

      Here in the UK, the population is largely brain dead. If it’s not reported by the BBC, people tend not to know about it, and the CV19 useful facts are never reported by the BBC. So the vast majority of people are clueless. They will be told to take another vax and do so without hesitation. If people start dropping like flies, they will be told it is the latest variant. It will not occur to the zombies that it might be the vaxxes that are the issue. Warning people about the vaxxes is pointless, they don’t listen, too far into the propaganda. No chance of a CV19 revolution here.

  10. Azure Kingfisher says:

    Anecdote for the day:

    I spoke to a coworker on the phone today, whose 80-year old “vaccinated” mother had been admitted to the hospital a few weeks ago. She’d passed out at home and fell and hit her head on a bedroom nightstand. The hospital tested her for COVID-19 and she came up positive. The hospital then treated her for pneumonia and eventually released her on Saturday, August 7. She’s recovering well, apparently.

    My coworker has two sisters, one “vaccinated,” one “unvaccinated.” Both sisters act as caregivers for their recently hospitalized mom. While the mom was in the hospital, both sisters were tested for COVID-19. Guess what? The “vaccinated” sister tested positive, and the “unvaccinated” sister tested negative.

    After the mom came home, she told her “unvaccinated” daughter that the health crisis could’ve been much worse had she not been “vaccinated,” and that her daughter should get “vaccinated” soon, even though the daughter objects to the quick rollout of the “vaccines,” lack of long-term studies, etc.

    My coworker is fully “vaccinated,” courtesy of Pfizer. At the start of this health crisis, my coworker was convinced that their “unvaccinated” sister was the vector that caused their mother to receive a positive COVID-19 test result and hospitalization. Now my coworker is emphasizing the importance of their “unvaccinated” sister getting the “vaccine” because she’s been exposed to both the COVID-19 positive mother and the COVID-19 positive sister.

    One missing fun fact: I do not know if the “vaccinated” sister was symptomatic or simply a positive COVID-19 case.

  11. Yorchichan says:

    They should, because it’s very good and I’d be interested in Norman’s take on it.

    Are their any expert immunologists, virologists or doctors who are prepared to give talks on how well the vaccines are working. I couldn’t name any (apart from Fauci), but then I’m as guilty of confirmation bias as the next person. Could any of those who favour the vaccines and comment on OFW provide a link to a recent pro covid19 vaccine talk?

    • Regarding Pro-Vaccine Beliefs:

      1. There still seem to be many people who are convinced that COVID-19 will lead to herd immunity if everyone is immunized. This is nonsense; it leads to more strong variants. We never can reach herd immunity with the variants.

      2. Many people also seem to believe that those who are immunized cannot spread the new variants, like Delta and its likely successors. This is nonsense as well. Immunized people can spread the variants without realizing that they are even sick, in many cases.

      I can see five other reasons for trying to increase the number of vaccinations:

      a. Vaccinated people will tend to get lighter cases, so fewer will be hospitalized. The hospital system won’t get overloaded with COVID-19 cases, so doctors can schedule elective surgery as they desire. This is a big money maker for both hospitals and doctors. When hospitals are jammed full of COVID-19 cases, there is a need to lay off doctors and other providers who don’t deal with COVID-19. This is disruptive to the health care system.

      b. In theory, health care for those with COVID-19 might be worse, if hospitals are too jammed. (On the other hand, if those catching COVID-19 were treated with ivermectin, they wouldn’t land in the hospital in the first place.)

      c. It is disruptive to businesses to have a large number of workers out sick. Hopefully, with the vaccines, the time that workers are out sick will be shorter, and the cost of these illnesses will be lower. Similarly, tour boats will not be as overloaded with sick passengers, if everyone is immunized. They can go on their trips as planned.

      d. Selling vaccines is a big money maker for the vaccine industry.

      e. Vaccines are a big draw for young people wanting a medical career. Using a cheap drug available since the late 1940s sends the “wrong message.”

      Of course, the problem is that more vaccines mean more variants. Ultimately, we put ourselves in a box we can’t get out of. The virus tends to mutate into more virulent forms, needing new vaccines. We can’t keep up with the new vaccines required.

      • Mike Roberts says:

        I don’t think vaccines are guaranteed to lead to stronger variants. It’s a concern but not a given.

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          in my opinion, these mRNA vaccines now are guaranteed to not be able to stop the pandemic, are guaranteed to fade over time and leave the vaxed more susceptible to serious health issues from the guaranteed continuation of new variants, and are guaranteed to expose many vaxed people to ADE.

          I think the failure of these mRNA vaccines is guaranteed.

          • Azure Kingfisher says:

            Oh, there will indeed be more “variants,” we’ve been warned of that. A Greek alphabet naming system followed by a constellation naming system.

            Given that the scriptwriters have informed us that there will be “new variant” narratives for the foreseeable future, what makes anyone think that mass “vaccination” is going to put a stop to this? How can you have continuous “new variant” narratives if the “vaccines” effectively eradicate the virus?

            We citizens, “vaccinated” and “unvaccinated” alike, do not decide when the scamdemic ends – the scriptwriters do. They’ve indicated we’re nowhere near the end of the story they’re telling.

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              I agree, new variants will be popping up every few months or so.

              and that will be a big test for the official gov/MSM/BigPharma narrative.

              at some point, it might be expected that the majority of people will catch on that the vaccines have failed, and a modeled excuse that it was due to variants will just not matter, and the official narrative will crumble.

              I think the official narrative has been totally negated, but this reality has not reached the masses yet.

              it remains to be seen how long the coverup will last.

            • Mike Roberts says:

              We’ve morphed from “[vaccination] leads to more strong variants” to “there will indeed be more variants”.

              I’ve no doubt that there will be more variants since the virus will be circulating with or without the vaccines. Why the vaccines will lead to more strong variants is unclear, though I’m not completely sure what “strong” is referring to.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Instead of looking to crazy Seventh Day Adventists… why don’t you read up on this topic here

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Fauci warns more severe Covid variant could emerge

              Dr. Anthony Fauci warned that upcoming coronavirus mutations could be even more contagious than delta, which has a viral load “about 1,000 times higher” than the alpha variant.



      • Xabier says:

        Excellent summary of the Pro-camp, Gail.

    • Yorchichan says:

      My comment was in reply to a Fast Eddy comment which was subsequently disappeared. Eddy’s comment thanked Tim Groves for his summary of Dr Ryan Cole’s talk on the dangers of the vaccines, stating the summary was useful because Norman and Duncan would be unlikely to watch the video Tim linked to.

      My point was that we have all these experts prepared to put their reputation and livelihood on the line by talking against the official narrative on the vaccines. But are there any experts independent of big pharma and government who are prepared to talk about what a wonderful job the vaccines are doing and how ‘safe and effective’ they are proving to be? After all, this is the official mantra and you would think any such experts would not be taking any great risk by speaking up for it.

      I don’t know of any such experts. If they don’t exist, that tells us a lot about how ‘safe and effective’ the vaccines really are. Would any of the pro vaccine commenters on OFW be able to point us in the right direction?

      • DB says:

        It seems that there are countless researchers, doctors, and public health officials in the media across the world who claim the jabs are safe and effective. Most of them claim to be or are referred to as experts. Or do you mean something else?

        • Fast Eddy says:

          You mean the ones that are lying? Or maybe they are just unaware of this? Or maybe they just like getting paid/jab…. or perhaps they know that if they rock the boat they lose their jobs?

          Or maybe they are just dummmm cattle like the other CovIDIOTS?

        • Yorchichan says:

          I mean people who are not on the payroll of government or big pharma who are prepared to get up in front of an audience or do a youtube video to tell us what a great success the vaccines have been. Perhaps telling us why rolling them out to children is a good idea.

          • DB says:

            That leaves out most scientists in the area. I agree with you that truly independent experts speaking out in favor of the jabs are essentially non-existent. Not all scientists in favor are directly on the payroll of government or big pharma — they may seek grants from these institutions or want to keep their jobs at universities or other organizations that are funded or influenced heavily by government and big pharma.

  12. Fast Eddy says:

    Is This a Dystopian Satire? No, it’s Daily Life Down Under

    Well, that was worth waiting for. Finally a tiny glimpse of the modelling that has underpinned government decision-making on our Covid response, and very convincing it is too. And unbelievably, literally unbelievably, precise.

    Let’s not go through the various conditional predictions of the virus’s impact, especially the “worst-case” scenario, which happily generates a number far short of “everybody dies”, which I would regard as the worst case.

    Instead here’s what the Doherty Institute says could happen if we suffered a six-month uncontrolled outbreak with only 60% of the population vaccinated: there would be 737,971 infections and 5,294 deaths. Note the super-scientific accuracy: not 737,970 or 737,972 infections; why, that would just be sloppy guesswork.

    I’m teasing, of course (it’s one of the few pleasures not yet forbidden in these joyless times), and have no doubt the statisticians are doing their very best with the data; so let’s assume they’re correct that almost three-quarters of a million would be infected, of whom 5,000 would die.

  13. Fast Eddy says:

    norm… what’s going on here!

    Public Health Scotland Admits That the Majority of People Hospitalised and Testing Positive for Covid Are Vaccinated

  14. nikoB says:

    Israel vs Palestine.
    high vaxxed vs low vaxxed
    cases up fast vs cases up very slowly
    deaths up vs deaths steady

    • The last spike of COVID cases is definitely missing in Palestine.

      The Israelis mostly got immunized; the Palestinians did not.

      I got the impression from some articles that the number of prior COVID cases in Palestine might have been higher than reported earlier. In that case, perhaps prior antibodies from having COVID are protecting much better than the vaccine against Delta.

  15. Fast Eddy says:

    BTW – I passed the Rogan video to a CovIDIOT yesterday ….(who business involves event management … so he needs people to be able to gather in large numbers)

    Response – he’s an idiot – you a fan?

    I am not a fan but he’s hardly an idiot – amy goodman is an idiot

    Keep calling people who want the economy to open up idiots — the more people do that the longer it will remain in this state

    So who is the idiot?

    Israel is shutting again

    There is almost zero opposition to any of these policies…these insane policies… so they continue

    Response – Agree here

    A breakthrough?

    • Rodster says:

      I had NO idea that Joe Rogan was the host of Fear Factor back in 2001. I had to watch an old show to make the connection.

  16. Fast Eddy says:

    Empire of the Summer Moon…..

    Into the final chapters of this…. the last of the Comanches in the wild are on the run … a peace envoy meets the chief (who’s mother was white… taken in a raid as a child)… it’s winter and they are going hungry so they do a deal…. the half-starved horses and men march despondently to the ‘prison camp’ (reservation)…. one of the leaders commits suicide by jumping head first out of the window of a hospital…

    Same fate awaiting the UN-Injected?

    • Xabier says:

      When the British commander did a deal for safe escort from Kabul, an Afghan aly warned him that ‘My people are liars, they will betray you!’

      He ignored the warning, and they were murdered on the march, almost to a man, after they had been starved and had most of their ammunition taken.

      Some women, Indian and British, ended up in the slave markets of Central Asia, and a few male slaves, mostly India, were taken back to Kabul.

      No one should trust the Great Re-set governments which are coming into being when they talk about ‘safety’ and shielding’, or ‘the common good’.

      They are liars, and murderers, as 2020 proved.

  17. Fast Eddy says:

    Fauci Claims Spread of Virus By Unvaxxed Will Lead to More Dangerous Variants, But Experts Say Opposite Is True

    Dr. Anthony Fauci said the continued spread of COVID among the unvaccinated could lead to a more serious disease, but Dr. Robert Malone, Harvard-trained physician and inventor of mRNA vaccine technology told The Defender Fauci is wrong.

    normdunc… what do YOU think?


  18. Whether you agree or not, the world is progressing to the direction which is quite favorable to today’s winners, and very, very unfavorable for the rest, about 95% or so of the world pop.

    Housing price, education cost, medical, insurance or other costs will never fall since they have monopoly and won’t really have any reason to reduce price, since demand is inelastic while supply can be restricted at will.

    Homeless problem can be solved if the government grants a $1,000 bounty for a dead homeless, something which was actually done in various phases of English history. (Social Darwinism existed in England far before Darwin; his grandpa Erasmus Darwin saw it)

    With the price of everything gouged, ordinary people will fall. One by one. In England before emigration became widespread, it was not very common for a poor person to marry, and even if they had children most of them fell under various aliment while the richer children were taken care of well in a more sanitary environment.

    Peak oil won’t matter since today’s winners will not need the whole earth.

    Today’s young, smart, rich crowd tend to care much less about their fellow men than others. They know if they have any mercy, compassion or empathy, they will be eaten by those who don’t so they will simply crush over anything which stand against them.

    It is like a survival mechanism; either I kill you, or you will kill me, so I kill you so I can survive.

    Horrors not seen in the history of mankind will be commonplace. My only consolation is I have no children.

    • deimetri says:

      It is the ‘dark forest’ premise from the 3 body problem trilogy..I also have seen it as ‘the prisoners dilemma ‘…my survival depends on eliminating the risk that you may kill me, I cannot ask you whether you are hostile or benevolent without alerting you to my existence so the best course of action forme is to act first and kill you…

      • Except, unlike old days which allowed some form of escape, in todays’ techno-feudal world there won’t be any escape

      • Kowalainen says:

        Sounds reasonable and not in contradiction with morality and compassion. I guess most people got the intuition of right to life. Survival instincts and all that…

        However, people generally confuse the right to life with a right to a lifestyle. I.e. the American “dream”. I’m quite sure most self entitled rapacious primate princesses would fight tooth and nail for that, despite it being an irrelevant paradigm since cheap stuff is running out. And besides, it is rather boring and for the most part a waste of habitat anyway.

        This of course assumes that the information about each other is symmetric, which is rarely the case in reality. A smartass can observe a halfwit for some time and draw accurate conclusions. After all; we are leaky as titanic, post the ice berg, through our acts of conduct.

        In this universe in general and on earth in particular it is safe to assume that you’re inferior, thus you broadcast your conduct on open channels, who you are can be inferred. Being secretive and possessive of course implies danger.

        On a personal note; don’t dare to touch my electricity, internet, oats, bicycles and Hifi gear, you’ll impinge on my opulent lifestyle. And these ideas I fly between my deaf ears – holey moley.


    • Ed says:

      I would re-phrase your ending

      “Horrors common in human history will be common again.”

      • One thing which is different this time –

        The social status set up now is eternal.

        The losers will simply be erased forever, since there are technological means to eliminate all strays.

    • Tim Groves says:

      You overdramatize the situation. These horrors, and worse, have been seen many times in the history of mankind. Our species has a dark side that comes out when the environmental conditions encourage it.

      • This time it is different.

        England had a reset back in 1066. Its losers were simply erased from the face of the earth.

        Scotland had such reset a bit before on 1057, when Mael Colum III, with English help, defeated Mac Bethad, the last Scottish monarch without a strong English connection. All of Mac Bethad’s followers were eliminated in due time. Mac Bethad has been demonized as the tyrant MacBeth to this day

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      The broader the tendency and aim the less it depends on any of us personally. Each is largely irrelevant to what is societal, let alone civilizational or cosmic. Our agency lies mainly in what is closest to us. Indeed, what is proposed as inevitable is not worth angsting about nor does it demand any application. It is more becoming to avoid aggrandising oneself of mission as if one is somehow a personification of historical tendencies. It certainly should not be mistaken or substituted for truly personal tasks such as caring for those closest to us like family and ourselves.

      • Kowalainen says:

        I’d argue that projecting the will to life and power is the collective (sub)conscious of the biosphere.

        No tree need to be told to produce oxygen. No CO2 and poop emitting lion need to be told to feed on gazelles. No CO2 emitting and pooping gazelle need to be told to graze and escape lions. Only by telling agents in a system how they should manifest their will, problems arise.

        Soon enough you’ll have to dictate every minutia how and what people should do, think and behave instead of trusting the emergence.

        The will to life is in the acceptance of existence and subjective experience as meaning in itself. The will to power is to manifest yourself as is without goals of grandeur as projected by your ego, and that of others.

        There is no need to force competition, it will arise naturally on a finite planet. Some people are by their nature more capable of wielding their organism in accordance with the principle.

        I would go on to argue that the Superman is approaching completely immunization to the whims of the collective while engaging constructively in society.

        However, sapient and sentient species, primates in particular, can never be completely in accordance with the “way”. The mind obviously gets in the way as it projects a flawed image of itself onto the world, and others. For example, the perceived “status” (accompanied by envy) in society as a signature of success.

        That is just an absurd parody of how tree dwelling primates go about their everyday shenanigans without being disruptive in the biosphere. However, there is nothing wrong with the game of asserting dominance. As in, say, playing sports.

        I think life would be much more interesting as an exercise in explicit gamification, as in agents fully aware they are both players and played.

        1. Do you want to play the game [Y/N], if “Y”, see 2.
        2. Winning and losing carry no significance [Y/N], if “Y”, see 3
        3. GL HF (it’s only a game)

  19. Mirror on the wall says:

    More lockdown fallout – kids, mental health, dr/gs and booze and local councils.

    > Revealed: England’s pandemic crisis of child abuse, neglect and poverty

    Foster places in short supply and council budgets buckling as social service referrals increase by up to 40% in some areas

    A looming crisis of children suffering abuse, neglect and poverty has been exposed, with growing numbers of young people taken into care in some of England’s most deprived communities during the pandemic.

    A Guardian investigation into the state of children’s services in the last 18 months has revealed a sharp rise in social services referrals during lockdown, plus spiralling costs for mental health support and a bulging backlog in the family courts, with some councils buckling under the weight of the extra work brought by coronavirus.

    Some local authorities are expected to overspend by up to £12m on children’s services this year, and leaders say they are “down to brass tacks” as they struggle to deal with the increase in demand.

    Self-isolation and home schooling has placed families under increased financial pressure through unemployment or lost wages, as well as inflaming mental health problems and addiction problems. Successive lockdowns have increased domestic violence and allowed safeguarding concerns for children and young people to go undetected, because schools and some childcare settings were forced to close.

    • This story is easy to believe. Families that no longer have enough resources are likely to behave badly in one way or another. If the children are at home, all day, every day, local authorities may not even figure out the problem.

  20. Dennis L. says:

    Seems like there is a study to prove everything, didn’t double check this one, but source seems verifiable.

    Basically, the very highly educated, Ph.D. level are most reluctant, graphs enclosed, the less well educated are also resisting. Master’s degrees are not hesitant, well, those are not hard to get, bring money get a degree in many cases.

    This study supposedly was done by Carnegie Mellon.

    Graphs start after page 26.

    Dennis L.

    • It is interesting that 23.9% of those with Ph. D.s are vaccine hesitant. Overall, the vaccine hesitancy rate seems to be around 16.5%.

      Age seems to be a very significant factor in vaccine hesitancy, with those in the age 65-74 least hesitant, followed not far behind by those 75 and over. Otherwise, hesitancy (not surprisingly) increases, the younger a person is.

      • Sam says:

        Yeah I saw this one too but I think there is a lot of fuzzy lazy math on this one….you need real numbers and these are antidotal observations

  21. Gerard d'Olivat says:

    1. So, it has finally become summer in France. The disastrous predictions of the IPCC have completely passed ‘us’ by. The French economy is doing well. Unemployment is falling.There are an estimated 50 million vacationers who are not thinking about the ‘downfall’ and Armageddon at the moment. The wells in my village are running great. The grass, grain and corn harvests are so plentiful that the farmers work late into the night to bring in their crops. Ok today 86 people in France died from covid. That’s about the average number of traffic fatalities on a “sunny” day. The trees and plants in my village are taking full advantage of ‘climate change’ and the increased levels of CO2 in the air. My wood supply for the winter is in order and the solar panels on my roof are producing properly.

    2. Ordered yesterday the book by the old Marxist E.P Thompson…. The making of the Englisch working class. Not that I don’t know the book quite the opposite. I had just lost it somewhere. It slips out of my pocket. In the book the description without romance about the ‘transition’ on the way to our highly industrialized society. Poems, notes , letters etc. about the loss of a society that lasted centuries and centuries. A life plagued by diseases, poor harvests, etc. You name it. But lives that were about ‘something’. God’s plan? That seems a bit ambitious. Just about what makes your life important. Birth, sex, reproduction, disease, pandemics, aging and then the eternal repetition of the same thing century after century after century.

    3. Thanks for all your ‘armageddon-like’ notes from around the ‘world’ I recommend the book ‘on the black hill’ by Chatwin…. maybe that will calm you down a bit in your very excited observations. Tomorrow will be another beautiful day. I am going to have a picnic with my friends from the animal asylum…. I worked there for a number of years. They have it tough because everyone poured out their ‘lockdown’ pet. That’s how these things go.

    • Thierry says:

      Happy like french people in 1939.
      The civil war in Spain? Over. Hitler in Poland and Austria? We have the Ligne Maginot, my dear! A war? But a phoney war, of course. The colonies? they can’t live without us!
      Everything is fine, so far…

    • Xabier says:

      Well, Gerard, that’s how it always is in the transition to a world of horrors: the harvests of 1914 and 1939 were good, the skies blue, too.

      Life is happy in the village until the marauding army shows up, burns and rapes, and so on.

      Our horrors are coming more stealthily: the near universal declaration of war against human rights has been a silent one.

      Of course, this doesn’t invalidate the pleasures of the day, which should be seized, I agree.

      • Ed says:

        “near universal declaration of war against human rights”

        Few see it. Of course with censorship of communications maybe more see it than we know.

  22. Harry McGibbs says:

    “More than 40,000 cases of breakthrough infection – where the patient contracted the virus after vaccination – have been detected in Kerala [India], sources in the Union Home Ministry have told NDTV…

    “The spike in breakthrough infection in the state, which has been suffering a resurgence of the virus, has opened up questions about how the immunity escape is happening, sources said.

    “The Central government has asked Kerala to provide samples to detect the genomic sequence in all cases of breakthrough infections to figure out if there has been a mutation, sources told NDTV.”

    • Azure Kingfisher says:

      “More than 40,000 cases of breakthrough infection – where the patient contracted the virus after vaccination…”

      Really? “Breakthrough infection?” It couldn’t possibly be infection and illness caused by the “vaccines?” We’re not even going to consider that, eh?

      A message from the Elders to all news media conglomerates:

      “You are permitted to blame subsequent infection and illness following ‘vaccination’ on ‘mutations’ and ‘variants.’ You are not permitted to blame the injection itself.”

      • Tim Groves says:

        It’s not really breakthrough infection.
        It’s spike fever, like in that old BeeGees song.

        If you got spike fever, spike fever
        You don’t have to know it
        If you got spike fever, spike fever
        We don’t have to show it

        We won’t say what you got
        If it comes from the clot shot

    • The article talks about 20,000 COVID cases a day in Kerela. I can believe that 40,000 cases were breakthrough cases. In the US, we are not counting breakthrough cases unless they result in hospitalization. We have no idea what they are.

  23. Marco Bruciati says:

    Thank you to everyone. I wanted to Say that i am very surprised we are still here end of 2021!!! A lot.

    • Xabier says:

      It’s worth looking back on how we felt and what we were thinking in March-April 2020.

      And in August 2020 I, for one, certainly had no idea as to what would be happening a year later, and the nature of the new threats that menace us…..

      Here’s to survival!

    • Rodster says:

      I suspect you might be posting the same thing in 2022, 2023, 2024 and so on.

  24. Azure Kingfisher says:

    China Flight Departures Collapse Amid Delta Virus Spread

    “Outbreaks of the COVID-19 Delta have severe growth implications for Asia-Pacific (APAC) countries. Government restrictions to mitigate the spread of the virus have already dented air travel in the region, according to BloombergNEF.

    “APAC countries, including China, Japan, Korea, India, Australia, and New Zealand, among others, reduced 11.1% of flights scheduled to depart this week, compared to this time last week. This has profoundly impacted jet fuel demand, slashing 170,000 barrels per day less – China led the cuts.

    “Flight departures for APAC countries decreased by 2,250 on average each day WoW, one of the most significant declines in months. The collapse was evident in China, where 2,380 departures were scrapped each day this week as the government discouraged travel. Some airports in the country were closed to mitigate the spread of the virus.

    “Chinese authorities are battling new outbreaks in 17 provinces. Beijing is canceling large events and suspended planes and trains from entering the city to prevent infections.

    “Morgan Stanley’s Robin Xing recently told clients that Delta’s resurgence in China has forced his team to slash growth forecasts for the country to 5.1% for 3Q and 8.2% for the whole year. They expect another 50bp RRR cut and an increase in infrastructure spending in the coming months to cushion the decline in economic activity.”

    • Not having cases in 2020 means that Asian countries are more at risk in 2021. Delta spreads more easily that the original version of COVID-19. It is much harder to control. Now we have the problem coming from Asia, as much as anywhere.

  25. Tim Groves says:

    Real doctors are continuing to speak up about the consequences of the Covid-19 jabs. This is a very powerful video of a recent 17-minute talk by pathologist Dr. Ryan N. Cole, who attempts to summarize what these jabs do to the brain and other organs.

    “So this spike protein doesn’t just stay in the deltoid. The spike circulates in your blood… It lands in multiple organs in the body. And you know what happens, that spike protein without the body of the virus present…”

    “We did studies in lab animals. In the lab animals, just injecting the spike, with not body of the virus the spike induced the same diseases COVID-19 induced. The same lung disease; the same vascular disease; the same heart disease; the same brain disease.”

    “The spike is the toxin. So again, why are we injecting something into the human body that is the toxin? … It causes the disease.”

    “They keep lying to the American public by calling it a vaccine. They keep taking the word “investigational” off. It’s what they call it in the emergency authorization. They keep not calling it what it is. “Investigational”, an experiment on humanity.”

    • Tim Groves says:

      1:20 – How many autopsies? (slide)

      2:19 – So how can we do science if we’re not looking? One cannot find that for which they do not look.
      — Where is the funding and the independent pathologist…

      3:00 – Where is the funding? Autopsies are expensive. Yes. But if we have billions to advertise a clot shot to children that don’t need it… Dr. Fauci, where’s the funding for science?

      3:19 – When an unapproved new drug, therapy, vaccine is put onto the market, we need to used the French legal system… Guilty until proven innocent.
      — So if there’s and adverse reaction, if there’s a death… it happened from that therapy until you prove that it didn’t.

      4:00 – Spike as a toxin. (slide)
      — What about the spike protein?

      4:30 – So this spike protein doesn’t just stay in the deltoid. The spike circulates in your blood… It lands in multiple organs in the body. And you know what happens, that spike protein without the body of the virus present…

      — We did studies in lab animals. In the lab animals, just injecting the spike, with not body of the virus the spike induced the same diseases COVID-19 induced. The same lung disease; the same vascular disease; the same heart disease; the same brain disease.

      5:00 – The spike is the toxin. So again, why are we injecting something into the human body that is the toxin? … It causes the disease.

      5:17 – Charts showing vascular inflammation from spike protein.

      6:08 – Diagram of human body. (ACE2 expression; ACE2 deficiency) (slide)

      6:14 – Now think about it. They tell us … the spikes stays in your deltoid. It doesn’t.

      — In the Harvard study in 13 nurses(?) they show it circulating for at least 2 weeks. A lot of people lack something called a mRNase, an enzyme that breaks down the RNA. So it may be circulating for even longer.

      6:32 – Now you hear … they died, you know, just so long after the shot. So it was 2 weeks, 3 weeks, Hank Aaron, whoever… You know what, that spike’s circulating.

      — They try to pull the wool over our eyes and say… “Well it couldn’t have been the shot. We’re too far out.” … Not if the toxin is still circulating.

    • Tim Groves says:

      6:50 – Charts showing lung inflammation from spike protein.

      7:04 – On the right hand side… See how much more purple and blue that is? That’s all inflammation. Why? ACE2 receptors in that lung. Spike binding to it. Inflammatory response. Immune system attacking your own body.

      — Disease from the spike. Disease from your own “clot shot”, investigational vaccine…

      — They keep lying to the American public by calling it a vaccine. They keep taking the word “investigational” off. It’s what they call it in the emergency authorization. They keep not calling it what it is. “Investigational”, an experiment on humanity.

      7:38 – Spike as toxin. (slide)
      — Crosses the blood-brain barrier.

      8:13 – Charts showing brain inflammation from spike protein.

      8:22 – Charts showing heart inflammation from spike protein.

      9:08 – So you tell me you want to give a 12 year old, a 5 year old, a 13 year old, an 18 year old a shot… and we see about a 200 times increase in myocarditis in our society right now?

      9:50 – Charts showing kidney inflammation from spike protein.

      10:04 – Charts showing liver inflammation from spike protein.

      10:14 – Charts showing inflammation in testes from spike protein.

      10:24 – Lipid Nanoparticles accumulating in the ovaries. (slide)

      10:33 – Check a d-dimer post vaccine. (micro clots)

      10:53 – In the Phizer paperwork and application it clearly states that in the rats there was a 16% decrease in fertility. One of the most fertile critters, mammals on the planet…

    • Tim Groves says:

      11:30 – COVID’s a clotting disease as some of my colleagues have mentioned.

      11:41 – A d-dimer will go up when we have clots.

      11:47 – All these inflammatory patterns that I’m showing you are from micro clots as well.
      If we look at this in the patients, we know that they’re micro-clotting.

      12:00 – A patient has already had COVID. COVID recovered. Broad, beautiful immunity. They’re lying to you to say that it’s not equal to a vaccine immunity…

      12:13 – Screen before vaccine. There’s a multiple fold increase risk of adverse reaction if you’ve had COVID and have recovered. You get a shot. You hyper-rev that immune system… You may be screwed and or dead.

      12:26 – Funding for independent autopsies and real science (slide)

      12:50 – Another example: 50 year old healthy triathlete

      13:11 – We have no long term safety data.

      — This is what we need to emphasize to society and ask the authoritative agencies:

      — What’s the risk for cancer after the shot? We don’t know.
      — What’s the risk for autoimmune disease? We don’t know.
      — What’s the risk for impairing fertility for a lifetime? We don’t know.

      — So why in the world would we willy-nilly push forward at the pace and the rate that we’re going without knowing these things?

      14:11 – Where are the billions to do the autopsies? Where are the billions to prove the science? Where are the autopsies?

      14:22 – Dismissal by the collusive media of any adverse events or death.

      14:53 – Side notes. (slide)
      — Post vaccine innate immunity dysregulation
      — Increase of other latent viruses
      — Decrease of immune markers that keep cancer in check.

      16:15 – I have seen a 10 to 20 fold increase of uterine cancer in the last 6 months in my laboratory.

      — In the last 6 months… When did we start the shots? January.
      — How much solid tumor cancer increase are we going to see over the next several years?

      • Hubbs says:

        Good review TG. Thanks for the step by step summary. Watched the video a few days ago. I think it is confirmatory of my suspicions which I addressed earlier. There was never any intention to create any vaccines that would address the spike protein that was unleashed. The numbers of infections increase because of data fudging to install fear, and the fact that the more people who get injected, the more spike proteins will be in the human population and the more COVID cases will result- which will trick people into thinking we need more vaccinations! It is a race to get as many people injected to increase the numbers of infected before the natural immunity overcomes the deliberate attempt of Fauci, WHO, GAVI, CDC et all to infect everyone with this spike protein. These variants are a distraction and serve as a vehicle to justify continuing injections of the spike proteins.

        It is a race between achieving natural herd immunity to these deliberate spike protein inoculations and achieving herd stupidity.

        • Tim Groves says:

          Thanks Hubbs!

          I’m thinking, if the spike protein is a poison and it’s in the injections, as well as in the virus, then it isn’t a question of achieving herd immunity. It’s a question of minimizing one’s exposure to to the toxin.

          We can become immune to the virus, which means we effectively can stop it propagating in our bodies. But we can’t become immune to the spike protein any more than we can become immune to cyanide or arsenic—although people can build up a degree “tolerance” to the latter.

          So we need to avoid taking injections that will deliver trillions of spike protein-inducing mRNA particles into our bloodstream. And we need to avoid getting infected with the virus as much as possible. That means avoiding close contact with people who are spreading the virus AND/OR taking prophylactic measures such as nasal sprays and ivermectin if we can’t avoid crowds. Also, we may also need to avoid spending a lot of time around vaxees who may be “shedding” who knows what. There are still more unknowns than knowns about this Covid business.

    • Thanks for posting this very fine video and your summary of it. It is very helpful. I took note of the link for future reference.

      • Tim Groves says:

        I can’t take any credit for writing out the summary. Somebody else put in the hard work and I found it by Googling. I’m glad some people found it helpful.

  26. The Fourth Industrial Revolution and depopulation go together.

    There is simply no need to feed all these excess mouths.

    It is the highest form of planetary management; cruel, efficient and fast.

    Fast Eddy once cited the example of Petersburg and Moscow’ pop reduced by 70-80% of its pre-revolution level.

    And then Herbie Hoover sent food to there! He became President for that.

    This time there would be no would-be President who will send food to the world’s excess mouths. A horror which won’t be rivaled by anything will occur.

    Only after that, the 4th industrial revolution , Singularity and Travel to the stars can occur.

    • Kowalainen says:

      If anything ever will travel to the “stars”, it sure as hell won’t be a spaceship staffed with rapacious primates as in the ridiculous space operas, rather an AGI with space mining, robotics and terraforming gear with some suitable genetic codes onboard.

      This humanoid chauvinism is a bit much. Would you consider mankind as a successful species given the IC/BAU snd covid travesties?

      If we can’t manage minor population size dynamics, how the hell are we going to travel to the stars in spaceships? The mind boggles at a species failing getting their own kin under control while dreaming of space faring hopiums.

      No; we’re going nowhere. Mother Earth whispered that into my ears – for your reference.

      • geno mir says:

        Leave kulm to his dreams. As always he is transfixed by yhe narrative that ptb have limitless power and has stucked himself in one dimensional plane. He needs to diversify a bit into reality and i know he has the knowledge for that, all this hisotry truths in his head can definitely provide for more realistic conclusions, he just need to step off from the one track lane 😉

      • Maybe. But that is also another kind of humanoid.

        Mankind stands on the brink of being a successful or failed species.

        North Korea both has nukes and oxcarts. It has succeeded entering the world power stage, although the people there didn’t benefit too much .

        • Not enough energy consumption per capita in North Korea.

        • geno mir says:

          If a specie is able to manipulate its environment and propagate its gene sequences in time by definition the specie is successful.

          • Kowalainen says:

            That depends on the metric.

            As in attaining knowledge and technological omnipotence. Nope. That ain’t “us”. We’re just halfwitted dabblers with an ego that outsizes earth.

            Which is likely why the aspirations to be a space faring civilization exists. The subconscious allure of MOAR than the Jetsons in the space colony a few parsecs away.

            Whatever leaves earth for the stars, that is for sure not any artifact crafted by human hands.

            And Mother Earth got all the time in the universe for the perpetual trial and errors, mostly errors. Errors such as Homo sapiens sapiens.

            Hopium is a powerful drug.

          • Bei Dawei says:

            Like chickens!

    • there has only been one industrial revolution—that which gave humankind cheap iron

      when people have cheap iron, they can make/access anything else they need.

      they can also kill themselves en masse. (which is what we have done)

      there will be no star travel because we will have destroyed the industrial complexity necessary for such endeavours. (not enough of us)

      • Existing resources can support 50 million in luxury for quite a while

        • Existing resources can’t support 50 million in luxury if we can’t get the resource out because current technology will no longer work (and there is not a high enough return–our current problem). Also, we don’t have the old technology and knowledge base available to us. Our brains are much smaller now that they were when we were hunter gatherers, for example. 50 million hunter gatherers won’t work well.

        • lol

          I’ve tried to point this out before:

          but in simple terms, in a world of 50 million, Mr Bezos’ lavatory will not work.

          it’s that simple.

          I would imagine that Mr Bezos has already worked that out.

          ‘Resources’ are only of any use when the means exists to put them to work.
          The Saudis had oil for 000s of years. They remained goat herders and camel traders until oil was converted into other things.

          • Tim Groves says:

            Mr Bezos, to his son Mini Bezos:

            One day son, when we’ve eliminated all the non-Bezos humans—about eight billion of them according to our latest sales figures—all of this will be yours!!

            Unfortunately, with no Human Resources to keep the system running, the lavatory will not work. But no problem! We sell little shovels at

    • Interesting! A person would hope that better treatments and the impact of all of the immunizations would keep deaths down relative to cases/hospitalizations in the most recent surge.

  27. Yoshua says:

    The South East is a hot spot. I’ve seen charts that show that the flu season usually starts from there.

    In Florida cases, hospitalisations and deaths are following the old Covid pattern, despite vaccinations. In UK and Israel that pattern has changed. Florida looks like a zero vaccination rate nation. All though they claim everyone hospitalised to be unvaccinated. Maybe the true number of cases are much higher, but they are not counted if they are vaccinated?

  28. Yoshua says:

    Florida has turned into an incubator of the Devil Covid?

    They have the Delta, Lambda, Colombia and God knows what with a fluid population of tourists.

    No rules. No restrictions. No nothing. All topped with a leaky vaccine. The devil’s brew.

    Florida is maybe something to keep an eye on with their high hospitalisation rate?

    • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

      Yoshua, true if you listen to the mainstream local TV News outlets here. Battle over if school children should wear masks or not when they return to school after summer break.
      To them it’s a life or death issue😜.
      Unbelievable, long lines here everywhere to be tested for the Covid 19 virus.
      Where I live, a week or two ago there was a temporary office for free Covid testing and it appeared to have no one interested. Just in the past week, long lines outside the building were formed and some had to be turned away!
      On the news TY Park showed long car lines waiting to be taken for mobile testing there.
      It’s hysterical.
      Constant badgering by experts, and others to get injected now with the vaccine to protect your friends and community.
      I expect now that military personnel required to be jabbed, employers will do the same.
      If you want a paycheck, roll up your sleeve.
      Big drama….of course, while they shell out trillions in Washington DC, everyone’s focus is on the Covid panic. Keep the public distracted while we enrich ourselves and corporate buddies at the public’s expense. Perfect…the Shock Doctrine works every time!

    • South Georgia seems to have a problem as well. This is a chart from the WSJ of seven day average reported COVID-19 cases, compared to population, by county.

  29. Hideaway says:

    In what should be the comedy section of modern civilization, just 2 days after the IPCC report on cli.mate the left leaning, green labor party in WA has approved the Scarborough Gas pipeline to allow another 13 Trillion cuft of gas to be mined, leaked and burnt..

    If we are going to use all this gas, at least build renewables with it to buy a few more years of civilization. Instead it will be exported for a cheap price, to keep everything normal, until the next step down the seneca cliff face.

    • Xabier says:

      That would be rational, except that pseudo – ‘renewables’ won’t be needed in most places, as much of the population will have been eliminated.

      Once you have grasped that, you will understand the apparent ‘illogicalities’ in such policies.

      Profits will be turned into the possession of real assets.

      Their perspective is quite different from ours…..

    • James Speaks says:

      In lieu of renewables it would be better to move earth and to make Portland cement. Then use these to build canals and locks so that when the great flop occurs there is at least a means to move goods and people around. Probably not a bad idea to breed Morgans and Percherons. Mules, too.

    • Xabier says:

      It would have been no different when the German military police or the French fascist militia sweep through places demanding papers 80 years ago.

      The protest marches in Paris have armed riot police a solid three-deep all around them – some ‘freedom’!

      I noticed that rail travellers are tagged on their wrists after their passes have been confirmed. Should be their ears, I’d say. Baa, baa……

  30. Fast Eddy says:

    Sky News Australia has removed dozens of videos from its websites, after YouTube suspended the channel for spreading Covid misinformation.

    The conservative TV network, owned by Rupert Murdoch, has been criticised for promoting conspiracies and questioning public health orders in its broadcasts.

    In recent days it has taken down about 30 videos without explanation or making corrections.

    Sky News Australia has declined to comment.

    But its parent company, News Corp Australia, told local media the network had taken an “editorial decision” to remove the videos.

    Former Australian prime minister Kevin Rudd was among the first to accuse the channel last week of “quietly scrubbing incriminating Covid-19 misinformation videos” from its platforms.

  31. Fast Eddy says:

    The CDC published a COVID-19 planning document that suggested relocating “high-risk individuals” to “green zones” or “camps” in order to keep them away from the rest of the population.

    Yes, really.

    The document is called Interim Operational Considerations for Implementing the Shielding Approach to Prevent COVID-19 Infections in Humanitarian Settings and was originally published on the CDC’s official website on July 26, 2020.

    The purpose of the strategy document is “to reduce the number of severe COVID-19 cases by limiting contact between individuals at higher risk of developing severe disease (“high-risk”) and the general population (“low-risk”).”

    According to the CDC, in order to achieve this, “High-risk individuals would be temporarily relocated to safe or “green zones” established at the household, neighborhood, camp/sector or community level depending on the context and setting. They would have minimal contact with family members and other low-risk residents.”

    The shielding approach would take “high-risk” individuals, meaning older people or people with underlying health conditions, and set about “physically separating high-risk individuals from the general population.”

    These high-risk individuals would be relocated to “camps,” meaning “shelters such as schools, community buildings” where as many as 50 individuals would be held in each “green zone” where “no movement into or outside the green zone” would be allowed.

    The document takes into account considerations on hosuing “different ethnicities, socio-cultural groups, or religions” within such “green zones”.

    “Isolation/separation from family members, loss of freedom and personal interactions may require additional psychosocial support structures/systems,” states the document, noting that those who are isolated may face “stigmatization.”

    • Xabier says:

      Once the unvaccinated are a small enough group, they could probably do it.

      With ‘smart’ meters all supplies of food, water and power and heat could be cut off from the ‘vulnerable’, making their homes totally untenable.

      Who cannot see now that mass murder is being planned?! First those ho do not conform, later those who do if ‘inessential’……

    • I think about how over-populated the world is today. Getting rid of a small minority probably isn’t all that helpful. Also, the vaccinated are disproportionately the old and sick. The world economy could get along a lot better with the unvaccinated than the vaccinated, it would seem like.

      • Xabier says:

        But, on the other hand, eliminating minorities is always an aim of tyrannies and totalitarian system: they are not rational.

        The vaccinated are compliant, and probably seriously weakened, people – just what they like.

        Imagine if they need constant medication to treat vaxx side-effects= even more control.

  32. Fast Eddy says:

    CORONAVIRUSItaly to Extend Vaccine Passports to Public Transport & Schools

    No jab, no education or travel.

    Despite massive protests against the measures, Italy is set to extend its vaccine passport system to public transport and schools from September 1st.

    Potentially exacerbating growing public contempt towards the draconian rules, authorities announced that the list of venues where the passport would be required is to be extended.

    From the start of next month, teachers will be out of a job unless they take the vaccine and get the pass, while university students will be unable to attend classes without it.

    The unvaccinated will also be banned from using long distance public transport, meaning that holidays, travel for work and visiting relatives will become impossible for many.

    As of last week, venues such as museums, stadiums, theaters gyms, and indoor seating spaces at bars and restaurants all required vaccine identification.

    “Customers and venues may face fines ranging from €400 to €1,000 ($470 to $1,180) if businesses fail to implement the regulation. Institutions that frequently break the rule risk being shut down for up to ten days by the authorities,” reports Reclaim the Net.

    In an Orwellian statement, Health Minister Roberto Speranza said the extension of the scheme to include schools and public transport was necessary to “avoid closures and to safeguard freedom.”

    As we highlighted last month, the Italian parliament saw protests against the domestic passports when MPs who held up signs saying “no green pass” were chased out of the building.

    Apparently drum thumping and koombaya chanting achieve … ZERO

    • Minority of One says:

      ‘was necessary to “avoid closures and to safeguard freedom.” ‘

      Straight out of 1984.

    • Xabier says:

      Nor do Resolutions against vaxx coercion by the Council of Europe achieve anything.

      I hope ‘granny’ – remember her? – is feeling safe now…….

  33. Fast Eddy says:


  34. Fast Eddy says:

    Rogan … when will he get deplatformed?

  35. Fast Eddy says:

    Gaslighting: The Psychology of Shaping Another’s Reality

    “But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
    “Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”
    “How do you know I’m mad?” said Alice.
    “You must be,” said the Cat, “or you wouldn’t have come here.”

    – Lewis Carroll’s “Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland”

    We are living in a world where the degree of disinformation and outright lying has reached such a state of affairs that, possibly for the first time ever, we see the majority of the western world starting to question their own and surrounding level of sanity. The increasing frenzied distrust in everything “authoritative” mixed with the desperate incredulity that “everybody couldn’t possibly be in on it!” is slowly rocking many back and forth into a tighter and tighter straight jacket. “Question everything” has become the new motto, but are we capable of answering those questions?

    Presently the answer is a resounding no.

    The social behaviourist sick joke of having made everyone obsessed with toilet paper of all things during the start of what was believed to be a time of crisis, is an example of how much control they have over that red button labelled “commence initiation of level 4 mass panic”.

    And can the people be blamed? After all, if we are being lied to, how can we possibly rally together and point the finger at the root of this tyranny, aren’t we at the point where it is everywhere?

    As Goebbels infamously stated,

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State [under fascism].”

    And here we find ourselves today, at the brink of fascism. However, we have to first agree to forfeit our civil rights as a collective before fascism can completely dominate. That is, the big lie can only succeed if the majority fails to call it out, for if the majority were to recognise it for what it is, it would truly hold no power.

    The Battle for Your Mind

    “Politicians, Priests, and psychiatrists often face the same problem: how to find the most rapid and permanent means of changing a man’s belief…The problem of the doctor and his nervously ill patient, and that of the religious leader who sets out to gain and hold new converts, has now become the problem of whole groups of nations, who wish not only to confirm certain political beliefs within their boundaries, but to proselytize the outside world.”

    – William Sargant “Battle of the Mind”

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Ironic, the Goebbels quotation is bogus.

      • Xabier says:

        Yes, bogus. But true.

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          I would certainly agree that states lie (famously WMDs in Iraq), and I would go further that the state maintains itself through illusions to which most humans are predisposed, eg. morality, merit, responsibility, authority, property, religion, invisible and imaginary persons, sham ‘democracy’, ludicrous monarchies.

          Societies are basically insane with untold made up rubbish. One could argue that all human existence is ‘insane’ in so far as there is nothing ‘rational’ about it – but there is not ‘supposed’ to be, it is another illusion of the commonly insane human mind. (Of course, I am the only really sane person lol.)

          I would not be too sure that lies/ illusions become unsustainable for the state when they have ‘political, economic and/or military consequences’ – they always do, it is what the state is. In that sense the quotation is false and grossly misleading, especially as it suggests that the ‘problem’ of falsity and deception lies with one particular ‘kind’ of state (usually imagined to be not our own in its normal functioning.)

          • People complain about religions being false or made up. Governmental organizations follow the same pattern, however. They want to create a religion of their own.

            I am not worried about the people who believe that the earth was created in six days. I am more worried about the people who believe that vaccinating everyone against COVID-19 will save the world.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              : )

              I would largely agree that it would be unfair to single religion out as a falsification of reality, perhaps except in so far as it tends to encompass and organise the entire range of illusions – which is not to suggest that cannot happen without it. ‘Humanism’ tends to be a reorganisation of much of the same without the overt premise of a deity.

              Also, as Nietzsche argues, it would be an assumption that ‘truth’ is more valuable to the species than ‘error’ – that is almost certainly not always the case in so far as the species, such as it is, needs to be organised and orientated toward social existence and to survival generally. As is sometimes touched on here, even science is an approximation, a system of metaphor and psychological projection.

              It may be that insight into common socially (and otherwise) structural illusions is not for everyone and it is not ‘supposed’ to be. It may be the prerogative of a philosopher caste or else simply an eccentric luxury – a quirk. One could argue that it is no more ‘rational’ to care about ‘reality’ than it is to embrace illusions – truth like all else is groundlessly valued and it is simply a ‘bent’.

              To be fair, likely insight and illusion both have their place in the everyday functioning of society – and likely different people incline more toward one than the other. Perhaps the species has not decided yet on which evolutionary course to take of illusion criticism and illusion embrace – or more likely it has settled on a rough and various balance between the two.

              That is likely approximate to how I see it. Personally I do not submit myself mentally to society’s illusions though I tend to be law abiding and even cooperative at times. I do not ‘believe’ in property but neither do I ‘steal’ – to be fair I have never really had need to and it likely would not be worth the hassle. I am comfortable with other people respecting my own ‘property’. : )

            • geno mir says:

              You are totally right Gail. Religion is the original blueprint (even in tribal societies the shaman had higher status than the chief) which everyone follows. There’s very funny book (but in fact dead serious) which examines the idea – The Bulshit Machine. Worth an evening of reading.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Mirror – the buddhist.


              It is delusional to assume an evolved brain that is functional within the processes of a biosphere ever will be capable of attaining ultimate truth when the questions posed in the search is ridiculously ambiguous and only makes sense as a rather shallow conceptual representation inside the rapacious primate brain.

              We believe in outrageous shit because we assume the concepts flying between our deaf ears and myopic eyes is descriptive, conclusive and of high fidelity.

          • geno mir says:

            This isnthe bulshit machine in our heads ar work. The bulshit machine defines reality.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              It sounds interesting.

              > Description:

              This book is Volume One of The Philosophy of Capitalism. It defines the unique philosophy of life suited to Banking Capitalism. And is authored by men who live out that philosophy. If the reader wishes to be a Financial Capitalist or just understand the mental life of those in power, then this volume is for you. It may be upsetting but is of critical importance to understanding the psychological framework of Capitalistic Society. Content authored by the Dominant Class of the USA.

              This is a Socratic discussion between the author, using the alias P. Shitgenstein, and NOTaREALmerican, a banker, with asides from a character called Deadwood. The discussion is dense and at times difficult to understand, but compelling nonetheless. The thesis is that the world is controlled by the Sociopaths with the aid of lots and lots of BS shovelled to the Dumbasses, who get screwed every time. The corollary of the thesis is that the world could not be organised in any other way. This book is the first of a trilogy on the Philosophy of Capitalism.

            • Dennis L. says:

              Respectfully disagree, reality is what works. Extreme ex., believe you can fly, go to a high cliff, nothing other than arms and legs, give it a go.

              Dennis L.

            • geno mir says:

              We are not speaking about physical reality and its constrains, Dennis. We are talking about the reality we create with our actions and interactions as group of individuals with shared environment. If your understanding of reality is simple and locked in only the material world and you can’t comprehend the immaterial relationships which define our shared reality as specie it is not my problem but yours. And your disagreement doesn’t change the veracity of my statement, it just stops you from seeing the world as it is with all the negative consequences 😉

            • our bodies are constrained by physical reality

              our minds are not

              problem is, in the last hundred years we have confused the two.

              we’ve done that with ‘technology’.—using ‘technology’ we can overcome gravity. Well, no, we haven’t.

              We have convinced ourselves that we can lift off earth whenever we feel like it and go anywhere we choose.

              We can lift off earth as long as surplus fuel is available.

              Surplus energy delivers technology.
              Technology does not deliver surplus energy–no matter how much we exercise our imaginations in an ‘alternative reality’.

              CGI has given us cities on Mars—the gullible see them, and believe them to be true.
              Even Hawking, Mr Smart himself, advocated peopling other worlds.
              Billionaires vie with each other to create ‘business ventures’ in space travel. They are fuel burning fantasy opportunities, nothing more.

              But it is promoted as a ‘money making opportunity.—- It isn’t. It is part of a Ponzi scheme.

              The gullible public thinks it is good business to burn through the planet’s resources. (as they always have)
              They are the ones who have confused real constraints with mind constraints.

              They imagine cities on Mars would have a purpose. They won’t.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Perhaps our expectations of reality isn’t the same as reality. I think that’s the point.

            • geno mir says:

              No consciousness bearing system can comprehend reality in its totality. We, the apex preador with the most efficient consciousness are hardwired to create the image of reality in our brains. The subsystems feeding data from the outside world (physical/material reality) into the brain are very crude, we always experience/comprehend it with a lag and the image in our heads is just a probabilistic consensus. It is just illusions stacked upon delusions.

            • Thierry says:

              Mirror, and others, you should read the trilogy on the Philosophy of Capitalism. The author is a nice person who answers by e-mail to people who have read his books. This is a useful insight into the dominant class perception of reality.

            • Kowalainen says:

              An ‘apex predator’ that needs to cook raw meat before it is digestible, while easily can survive on fruits and berries alone.


              The rapacious primate is not a predator, rather a survivor.

            • geno mir says:

              Yes, Kowalainen. For real. We are the apex predator (i don’t like it, too but it is what it is). The primate soecie is a survivor bc it is a predator. We are unaposed in our ability to mold the environment and fuck all the ither soecies. Ecology science labels soecies with such abilities as apex predators. Predators don’t need to be fierce though, ladybugs for example are predators too 😉

            • Kowalainen says:


              “The corollary of the thesis is that the world could not be organised in any other way.”

              That seems quite reasonable given the rapacious primate psyche.

              However, I doubt they are sociopaths, rather diehard realists. Perhaps the diehard realist conducts acts of sociopathy despite the nauseating cringes.

              Most people doesn’t particularly enjoy poking in the oozing piles they leave behind. 🤢🤮

              There is a few classes for managing the waste. I think they are called politicians and an assortment of various other narrative peddlers.

            • geno mir says:

              Just get the 1st volume from the net. There is a free pdf somewhere that could be find with google. It is couple of hours of reading.

            • Kowalainen says:

              geno, ok, I’ll give it a try. Last book I tried to read was from Max Tegmark, that esposé only lasted a few pages until it interfered and then plunged into contradiction with my logic and esthetic circuitry and I had to put it back into digital limbo.

              Is there some crisp synopsis of a few pages out there on the interwebz that I can shove through my biological CPU and observe if it spits it back out in shreds?

              Traits of a good book:

              1. Gets to the goddamned point ASAP
              2. Makes no silly assumptions about the human psyche
              3. No hopiums and unobtaniums
              4. Technical and deconstructive
              5. Presents more than one hypothesis
              6. Doesn’t peddle faith or dogma

              Unless it is presented as a work of fiction.

            • geno mir says:

              I think it will fulfills the whole list.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              I cannot wait to hear what Professor Shitgenstein has got to say.

            • Kowalainen says:

              “Shitgenstein”… 🤣👍👍

              The man who wrote a single book, then forgot it’s implications and tried to patch it up, gave up, died in peace after satori struck him as: “it was rather fun after all”.

              Too bad “struggle-with-nihilism” Shitzsche couldn’t attain the comedy and drama of it all.

              Kowalainen > Gautama > Wittgenstein > Nietzsche

              (RIP brothers)



            • geno mir says:

              The alias used for the 1st book is specifically chosen to sound like ole Ludwig (Wittgenstein). Smarty pants game of words.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Ok, this book doesn’t f**k around that is for sure. Plenty of words to describe:

              1. Rapacious primate gonna rapacious
              2. Rapacious primate civilization isn’t scalable rather a growing oozing pile of decomposing bullsh17.
              3. Rapacious primate dynamics is cyclical, see 1. and 2. leading to perpetual boom and bust. The Phoenix rises… and then crashes into a smoldering heap. Repeat.

              I’d say that all tryhards are suckers. JBP a tryhard alpha wannabe sucker doper. Bukowski is a hero, he called it and chilled out. The same with Gautama.

              I guess the 20% doing the grunt work would be the most content. I.e, getting the job done and enjoying burgers and netflixes if it wasn’t for the bourgeoise/PR spin narrative peddling suck causing grief from competition with the joneses.

              Of course the 0.01% at the top is doing fine as well, except for the grim reality of having to deal with the cringe and voluptuous middle “class” managerial waste of habitat. I guess all special interest gotta maintain their own halfwitted administrative “class”.

              Just imagine the ordeals and the likelihood of failure climbing to the “top”. The amount of wading through layers of bullsh17 must be astronomical in late stage IC.

              For example, imagine the suck participating in Barry’s BD party, listening and watching to the cringes. I’d just hit the punch, get plastered ASAP and hauled home. F**k me. 🤢🤮

              During the ceremony and yada-yada, I’d zone out longing for throwing my skinny frame down some gnarly single track in the back country or just chill out home counting the number of planks in the ceiling. 42.

            • geno mir says:

              Good read, yes?

            • Kowalainen says:

              Comedy mixed with cynicism and grim reality.

              It melted like butter in my blazing hot frying pan.

              It’s a love/hate relationship.


              The last busyworking striving idiot isn’t born yet and isn’t that awesome?


        • Tim Groves says:

          “If a bogus Goebbels quote is repeated often enough, people will believe it is true.”
          —Paul Joseph Goebbels

      • JMS says:

        “Si non è vero, é ben trovato”. Goebbels’ quote, bogus or not, is just a reformulation of this one:

        “in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strategy of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more Victims readily fall to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation ” Adolf H., Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          It is an accusation that he is making of J/ws and Marxists. The idea that a propagandist would explain his craft in public is ludicrous.

          The concept of the ‘big lie’ dates back at least as far as Plato and the Republic – the ‘foundational myth’. The idea is that the ‘hoi polloi’ lack a genuine faculty of reason and can only participate analogously in reason by following arguments that are often put to them rhetorically for emotional and authoritative effect. Aristotle had the same idea. He thought that the mass of humans were natural slaves devoid of genuine reason. The ‘big lie’ has always had a lot of currency in states through the ages and states tended to have a state religion. Information is ordered to ‘morale’. The ‘uneducated’ working classes were not allowed to vote before the 20 c., and freedom of the press was seen as a great evil for the inordinate masses. Media is normally state propaganda. The idea that the concept of the ‘big lie’ originated, or had anything peculiar to do, with 20 c. ‘totalitarian’ states is deeply misleading.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Because the masses are so easily controlled… they must be controlled.

          • JMS says:

            You are right that the big lie was not invented by the totalitarian states of the 20th century. All societies are structured and hierarchized around founding myths, that’s for sure. The 20th century totalitarians merely adapted the pervasive big lie concept to a mass communication society, with strong help from psychology and sociology, which, like radio and the press, did not exist in Plato’s time.
            In short, Stalin and Adolf (inspired by Le Bon, Bernays and other pioneers) were instrumental in showing the owners how to control a population through a modern “scientific” (i.e., post-religious) ideology. Extremely useful, as we are seeing since 2020. How can you dismiss their contribution to the eternal problem of human husbandry? Show some respect 🙂

            • Kowalainen says:

              “the eternal problem of human husbandry”

              No, it thought them to fear the ad hoc shepherd and herd that was created in the wake of capitalism and the relatively recent capabilities of the internet.

              The unthinking NPC could easily be swayed by an ideologue with nefarious intent. Very recent history proves that as an absolute fact.

              Everything stays the same. BLM + Capitol hill shenanigans in the US, however it is pretty much the same everywhere where the ‘god given’ lifestyle is challenged.

              Personally I’m terrified of the NPC herd, and I only possess my own life, puny amounts of capital and some gizmos and gadgets.

              I could only imagine how I’d feel if I had children and owned some business enterprise. OMG!

            • JMS says:

              Ultimately, it all comes down to this: what do we fear more, the gestapo or the hordes of hungry, sick zombies? I would rather take my chances with the zombies.

            • Kowalainen says:

              I think what we should fear the most is our own flawed conceptions.

              For example the god given right of a certain opulent lifestyle on a finite planet, even though it is destructive for the biosphere and overall mind-body well being.

              In general I tend to favor the grunt that wields a chainsaw, hammer, drilling rig and M16 with fortitude. No bullshit pretenses, just a job to be done. It is what makes IC turn over at end of the day.

              As for a diehard realist “elite” who isn’t chock full of bourgeoise genes, hopiums and delusions of climbing the social “ladder”…

              If they would ‘pretty please’ just stick to enabling the sciences and arts as a bourgeoise pastime. Just find better narrative peddlers, the current ones is dysfunctional at best, counterproductive at worst. Imagine micromanaging a bunch of feeble muppets always getting it cart before the horse…

              After all, don’t we got some quite powerful computer and AI models these days? Just let ’em loose and watch in awe.

              It is not as if we’ll ever avoid the AI “takeover” anyway. Our problem is that of fathoming its implications. Perhaps it is dystopian, or not, maybe it is really weird and wonderful? Realistically, why bother? It is a waste of time to worry about the inevitable.

              The complexity generation from mineral and energy dancing together carries on irrespective of our desires. ☯️

      • geno mir says:

        Forget Goebbles, Bernays is the real deal. He even made a superstar of his inept nephew, one by the name of Freud.

        • Tim Groves says:

          I agree that Bernays is the real deal regarding how to catapult the propaganda.

          To clarify, Bernays was Freud’s nephew., not the other way around. I am borrowing the following without attribution:

          Bernays was born in Vienna, Austria, in 1891 but grew up in New York City. His mother was Freud’s sister and his father was the brother of Freud’s wife, Martha Bernays. He maintained contact with his uncle, and the family often joined Freud for summer holidays in the Alps.

          Bernays began his career shaping public opinion by creating a media campaign to raise awareness of venereal disease and sexual hypocrisy. But his application of psychoanalytic principles to public relations and advertising came only after reading Freud’s “General Introductory Lectures,” a gift from Freud to his nephew in thanks for a box of Havana cigars.

          • geno mir says:

            Thanks, Tim. I knew i had something not quite accurate with the story. Anyway, point is that Bernays made from Freud the godfather of modern psychoanalysis and Freud was pathetically inept scholar (he treated a lot of his friends who at the end suicided themselves).

          • Fast Eddy says:

        • Kowalainen says:

          “Bernays argued that the covert use of third parties was morally legitimate because those parties were morally autonomous actors.”

          I tend to agree broadly, We’re all free to think and act.

          However it is somewhat morally dubious to use covert means for accomplishing selfish goals if you’re a superior intellect compared with the clientele you’re manipulating, unless you’re doing it to prove a point or simply for the shits and giggles instead of being blatantly cheap and nasty.

          Within selfish temptation is truth and its most fundamental principle is the survival instinct. The rest is mostly smoke and mirrors anyway. After all, we eventually all perish so why being a stressed out tryhard?

          DNA/“lineages” perhaps? Realistically every species eventually will be extinct by the mechanisms of mindless evolutionary process working the gene pool. And being rigid in your ways is a telltale sign of impending irrelevance.

          The real metric is ease of adaptability to new paradigms and circumstances. Rolling your “lineages” imagined “superiority” seem a bit counterproductive in a setting where others adapt.

      • Somebody must have stated something like that. It is the way the world seems to work.

  36. Fast Eddy says:

    Fanatics hahaha… YES!

    • Xabier says:

      In times like these judges get to work out their own psychological disorders and desire for power.

  37. MG says:

    Can we return to the nature? No, the monster plant species conquer the abandoned human habitats.

    The MONSTER That Devours Russia

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    Hot off the phone with the covid hotline … they are NOT offering any free donuts…. no lotteries…

    They cannot offer the Booster (yet)… and they will not exempt me from quarantine even after I get the shots….

    I am needless to say…. extremely disappointed.

    • Rodster says:

      But did you tell them you knew Norm and Dunce? That would’ve got you to the front of the line.

  39. Yoshua says:

    The head of Oxfords vaccine group is the first one to admit: The mass vaccination program failed.

    • “Herd immunity is not a possibility” because the Delta variant “still infects vaccinated individuals”.

      Professor Sir Andrew Pollard, director of the Oxford Vaccine Group, says there is nothing “the UK can do to stop the emergence of new variants”.

      That sounds like what I have been saying.

      • Mike Roberts says:

        It’s great to hear this being said, at last. It’s also amazing that, apparently, little work is being done on treating the disease though what Professor Andrew Pollard said seems to suggest he’s thinking that the vaccines now be regarded as a treatment, since they do appear to be lessening the severity of the disease.

  40. Mirror on the wall says:

    Channel 4 put out a section on the uncle Andy scandal. He accused of repeated child r/pe of a trafficking victim in London, New York and Jamaica. It is unclear why British law authorities have not moved. Everyone is supposed to be equal before the law in UK. Andrew has so far stonewalled but he is advised that it would be very ill-advised to refuse to cooperate with the federal USA court.

    He claims that he never met her but there is photographic and testimonial evidence to the contrary. He could be found guilty in his absence and liable to 100 M costs. Presumably he would testify if he is innocent – it is not like the scandal is going away if he ignores it. He is just making himself look guilty and bringing the UK establishment into disrepute. The entire world is watching this story.

    • Kowalainen says:

      The problem being a settlements cascade.

      Settling once means in effect settling with all the lawyered up and formerly exploited cougars ready to rip him a new one.

      It all boils down to monies.

      First there will be the civil court. If there is no response from team Randy, a follow up in criminal court plus “new” evidence. (That lawyer seemed like a cunning old fox)

      Good luck Randy Andy.

      It’s gunna be expensive for the crown and the British taxpayer at the end of the day.

      I wonder what mommy thinks? Randy isn’t the only one in the house.

      Perhaps it is time to sacrifice the “duke”?


    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Sky News has also interviewed the prosecution lawyer. He tells how uncle Andy and his team have entirely refused to cooperate with law enforcement, and he emphasises that Andrew will not be able to stonewall the federal court. A default judgement would be issued against him as guilty as charged. A refusal to appear is tantamount to an admission of guilt. It is starting look pretty clear that he is guilty and that he and the UK establishment are simply attempting to treat the law and the court with contempt.

      > Prince Andrew: Lawyer taking Duke of York to court over sexual assault allegations accuses him and his legal team of ‘stonewalling’

      The New York lawyer who is taking Prince Andrew to court over allegations of sexual assault has accused the prince and his legal team of “stonewalling”. Speaking to Sky News David Boies said the Duke of York and Blackfords, the law firm representing him, have failed to engage with him and his client Virginia Giuffre for five years. Mr Boies said, “We’ve reached out to Prince Andrew’s legal team, a number of times over the last five years, we’ve made an attempt to engage with him to give him an opportunity to tell his side of the story, to provide any explanation or context, that he might have for his actions to try to resolve this without the necessity of litigation. Every such effort has been rebuffed.”

      He added: “They have totally stonewalled us just like they’ve stonewalled the criminal prosecutors in the United States.”

      Asked if he felt the lawsuit would be enough to get Prince Andrew to answer questions about the allegations Boies said, “Prince Andrew is going to have to now. He can’t ignore the process. He can ignore me and ignore my client. He can ignore other victims and their lawyers, but he can’t ignore the court. The court process now is going to compel him. If he were to try to ignore the court the way he’s ignored us, there would be a default judgment entered against them. That could be enforced in the United States or in England or elsewhere in the world. So I don’t think he’s going to ignore the court. And as a result, he’s going to be held to account.”

      • Ed says:

        Never cross a lawyer from Manhattan. hehehehehehe

        • Kowalainen says:

          I wonder if the royal house got some assets in US juridistion which could be seized?

          Otherwise the bills for Randy Andy’s excesses will be forwarded to the British taxpayer.

          That’s what the “Duke” is counting on and it will happen.

          Yuck. 🤢🤮

  41. Ed says:

    A local politician says her kids can not be vaxxed because they are immno-compromized. She has never mention that in the first 15 years of her kids lives.

    • Ed says:

      I also am immuno compromised so sadly no vax for me

      • Kowalainen says:

        Well, being a Buddhist I’m not sure it’s the right course of action to commit suicide by clot shots or risking serious injury to my own body.

        This is in direct contradiction to my belief that existence, good health and to experience the universe is the meaning of life.
        “The modern view of Buddhism will stress the importance of saving life rather than taking life (39). Generally speaking, Buddhist teaching is rather conservative in terms of using any life form to create vaccine.”

        • Bei Dawei says:

          Assuming you’re serious, “Buddhism” does not speak with one voice, especially on a modern topic like vaccines. The Dalai Lama, for example, has gotten the vaccine, and urged others to do so as well.

          In the sutras, giving “medicine” is assumed to be a positive action. If the medicine is made from a process that kills sentient beings, well that is unfortunate, but you could say the same of food as well (since farming inevitably kills insects, for example). Early Buddhists, including Shakyamuni Buddha himself, were even willing to eat meat (in fact, Buddha died from this), provided that they did not kill the animal themselves, see it killed, or suspect that it was killed especially for them. (Remember that these were mendicant monks who generally accepted whatever food was offered to them.)

          • Kowalainen says:

            I’m not going to listen to a “Buddhist” that peddles medicine of unknown nature and with the possibility to maim.

            I guess you’re confusing killing by intent and by default. My body constantly kills microorganisms, so did the body of Siddhartha Gautama.

            However my organism is also an enormous breeding ground for various microorganisms. For the most part it creates and sustains way more life than it takes.

            It is sure as hell not involved in an eugenics program by intent, rather the default one as provided my Mother Earth.

            Now there’s something to think about.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Kowalainen, you are an ecosystem, my dear fellow. Indeed, if you fattened yourself up a bit, you could technically become a biosphere.

              And if you take the jabs, your unique blend of internal flora and fauna could all become endangered species.

              What has Greta got to say about that?

            • Kowalainen says:

              Greta is product placed by mommy Malena, daddy Svante and that posh PR house in Stockholm.

              Greta doesn’t know right from wrong and likely never will. That is the Achilles heel and archetype of the modern era descendant overbred “nobility” – the overinflated bourgeoise strata poisoning everything with their sanctimonious hypocrisy.

              Being unable to distinguish between right and wrong is a “good” trait in a feudal system where you are jockeying for social status and not much else in between the absurd turf wars. That’s what we observe today on the social media platforms with these slick “influencers” popping up like the mouth piece cancer of a civilization. Of course there is the odd contrarian that won’t prevail for long until the censors catches whiff of the “hate” thought.

              It is all hat and no cattle. Smoke and mirrors. Potemkin facades and narrative peddling all the way from cradle to grave. And the obligatory MOAR.

              Boring as f**k. 🥱

              Vax ‘em up real good. 💉💉💉💉💉


  42. Mirror on the wall says:

    This should make interesting reading for the Tory Michael Gove. He insisted last week that Scots can and should have a referendum on independence if it is the ‘settled will’ of Scots to have one. Well, a new poll indicates exactly that.

    Most want a referendum within the current term of the Scottish parliament, which was elected in May on a mandate to have one, and most expect independence to win. SNP wants to hold out until the worst of the contagion is passed and they are likely looking toward the end of the term.

    Tories seem to have conceded that a refusal is damaging and unsustainable.

    > Scottish independence: New poll shows most Scots want vote this term

    Most people in Scotland with an opinion want indyref2 before the next Holyrood election — and expect Yes to win, new polling shows. More people think Scots would back independence if the ballot was held in the next six months, according to the research. The findings will come as a blow to Boris Johnson after his latest attempt to bolster support for the Union in a disastrous visit to Scotland last week.

    The Redfield and Wilton Strategies poll found 42% of people would support an independence referendum being held in the next five years. Another 14% neither supported nor opposed the idea, while 40% were against. When “don’t knows” are removed, 51% of those expressing an opinion are in support of a referendum for recovery being held.

    Respondents were also asked if they thought Yes would win if a referendum was held in the next six months. A total of 40% said Scotland would choose independence, while 36% said they thought the No side would win. One thousand people were questioned on August 4-5.

    Commenting, SNP MSP Neil Gray said the results reveal “the momentum is firmly behind the Yes movement”. He said: “This poll demonstrates that the people of Scotland want to put their future into their hands with a referendum for recovery in the current Holyrood term.

    “There is a cast-iron democratic mandate secured in May’s election for a post-pandemic referendum for recovery, once the pandemic has passed — and there is clear majority support in parliament for the referendum for recovery. The Tories cannot continue to deny that democratic reality — and if they try to do so it will prove unsustainable.”

  43. Minority of One says:

    Just in case there was any doubt about how gullible Brits are:

    Covid-19: More than 75% of UK adults now double-jabbed

    And here are some of the top comments:

    “Credit to all those involved in creating the vaccine and its delivery to people’s arms. Well done, and thank you!”
    384 votes for, 42 against

    “But all for nothing if we are still ‘advised’ to wear masks and forced to pay for overpriced PCR tests every time we leave the country!”
    153 votes for, 364 against

    “It would be nice for a change if we give more praise and support to the overwhelming majority who have received the vaccine and will do in the near future, rather than lose it over the much smaller minority who haven’t (we’ll never get 100% support for anything).”
    277 votes for, 36 against

    “And if all the people who’re on one jab continue to the second dose then that number will top 88%”
    151 votes for, 14 against

    [A comment from someone representing the rest of life on Earth]
    “Thank you to all the people who have made this possible! You are all legendary 💓”
    146 votes for, 29 against

    As I might have written before, well done the BBC, Goebbels would be proud, nay envious.
    I am reminded of 1930s Germany, although I was not there personally.

    • Karma for messing up Europe for so many times with so much disasterous results

      UK has to apologize to Louis XIV and all other European leaders it messed up for killing so many Europeans while propping up Hindus.

    • Xabier says:

      Indeed. They will probably grab the boosters, too…..

      ‘These number are really excellent! Superb result!’

      Comment by German bureaucrat in Berlin on the productivity and efficiency of the new Auschwitz cremation ovens…..

      On the other hand, I’ve noticed that, on YT, comments have now been blocked on most news videos of ministers, the Chief Science Officer, etc.

      They were in their thousands, overwhelmingly negative, angry, derisive, and shared too much info the govt. doesn’t like getting about.

  44. Perhaps this is what is worrying Israel: COVID deaths in Israel do rise with Delta, but with a lag. This chart shows seven day average reported cases and deaths in Israel, with the latest report August 9 (yesterday).×639.png

    • Minority of One says:

      Next week’s results will be interesting.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      JERUSALEM – The U.S. Centers for Disease Control has just added Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip to its list of places where travel is not recommended because of growing rates of COVID-19. On Monday, for the first time since February, Israel documented just under 6,000 new cases, almost 400 of them serious. The increase comes despite Israel’s decision to give a third vaccination to all adults over 60.

      Israel was one of the first countries in the world to roll out a vaccine program, and the first to offer a third shot to adults over 60.

      Despite that, the number of people contracting COVID-19 continues to climb. Professor Salman Zarka, Israel’s coronavirus czar, says the country is approaching a critical point.

      He said that Israel is asking everyone who can, to get vaccinated – not only for themselves but as a sign of mutual responsibility. Zarka said it won’t stop coronavirus but more shots could prevent a fourth lockdown.

      Despite an intensive campaign, there are still more than one million Israelis 12-years-old and above who are eligible to get vaccinated but have not yet done so. The rates are higher among teenagers and in the Arab community.

      ‘Zarka said it won’t stop coronavirus but more shots could prevent a fourth lockdown.’

      Hahahhaha…. IN.SANE! mike knows insa.nity … mike … explain the above please.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Israel is weighing further lockdowns and the possibility of extending booster vaccine shots to those over 50 years old after the number of new coronavirus infections surged to the highest levels since February.

      Almost 80 per cent of the adult population has been fully vaccinated, one of the highest rates in the world, but more than 6,000 people tested positive for Covid-19 on Monday, according to the health ministry. Nearly 650 people were in hospital and 400 of them were in serious condition, it said, without indicating how many had already been vaccinated.

      Just under 5 per cent of coronavirus tests were coming back positive, in a sign that the nation was in the midst of a major Covid increase, warned Salman Zarka, the government’s coronavirus tsar. Israel was at “a critical point for our health, for our lives and for our economy”, he said.

      As the first country to launch a mass inoculation drive and the first to reopen its entire economy after fully vaccinating nearly 70 per cent of its adult population with the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine by early April, Israelis have enjoyed a period of post-pandemic freedom.

      Now, with studies showing the efficacy of the vaccine fading among the over-60s, some of whom received their first shots as early as December, health authorities have taken the lead in administering booster injections.

      Israel did not wait for the US Food and Drug Administration to approve boosters of the Pfizer vaccine, instead administering third shots to about 2,000 immunocompromised people weeks ago before extending it to all those over 60 on August 1. As many as 600,000 older Israelis have now received a third shot, which could soon be offered to the over-50s too.

      Approvals? Testing? Who needs any of that silly stuff!!!

      Operation Let ‘er Rip

    • Mike Roberts says:

      I was checking on Worldometers, using their 7 day average. The daily case load 3 weeks ago was something over 1600. The last two times case loads were that high (and on an upward trend), deaths were about double what they are now (with a 3 week lag in each case). That’s quite different from the UK where a case load of 20,000 per day (and rising) was followed by 500+ deaths 3 weeks later but the last 20,000 and rising case load was followed by deaths which were a tenth of the previous times. What stood out though was the first time that deaths were that high, daily cases three weeks earlier were actually lower than deaths. Even if the lag was only two weeks, about half of cases were dying, though the lag isn’t always exact (some may die only a few days after becoming ill).

      I’ll see if there is some research on this but if anyone has a link to some, then please share.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        mike — tell us a bit more about how the world was created in a week — fascinating!

        • God works in mysterious ways. The Bible is full of ancient myths. It turns out that some people believe that these myths are literally true. I don’t believe that they are literally true. I don’t think that it matters one way or another how God created the world. The thing that is important is the fact the God (or the Invisible Hand) is in charge. We humans are not really in charge, even though a lot of politicians and other citizens think we are.

          I see creation as a continuous process. It goes on even today, through self-organizing systems. There may be an underlying purpose in the strange things happening today. An Invisible Hand enables many changes that we don’t really understand. The world ecosystem cannot tolerate the large number of humans on the earth today. Somehow, some of these people need to be kicked off. We assume that being kicked off is a terrible option. But we don’t know for certain what is ahead, either for those who live or for those who die.

          We don’t really know how this will play out, either. The distinct two sides may be necessary to fracture governments around the world, for example.

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            I was thinking the other day, when someone posted about humans becoming ‘spacefaring’ as a justification for population reduction, that people often have a need for some ‘purpose’ or metanarrative to organise their intentionality – and, while that may generally be a ‘normal and healthy’ need (for most people, some may not ‘need’ that), it can drag some people onto some territory that is liable to be unhealthy for them personally. That is one reason why I tend to be wary about grand or teleological narratives.

            I suspect that you have largely avoided the pitfalls, with a liberal Lutheran group that is not so given to hard-line positions. It may not be for everyone but it seems to be fine for others. The Christians that I come across in Britain tend to be more of the ‘traditionalist’ bent, which concerns me in so far as it tends to somewhat separate them from the wider society and its norms, although it is not necessarily harmful to be a bit ‘odd’. It may simply be that other types of Christian tend to be less visible and communicative. There is certainly more harmful stuff out there (UK is pretty secular).

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              I will go out on limb and say that teleology is usually ‘fine’ for the socially well-adapted but it can pose dangers for the ill-adapted. So one has to be careful with it.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Yes but the Adventists believe it is literally true.

            It’s right up there with an adult believing Santa Claus is real….

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        We are receiving a simple narrative of ‘virus kills people’ but the reality is more complicated.

        C 19 seems to capitalise on genetic disorders of the immune system, at least some of which are due to Neanderthal admixture, and which are unequally and differently distributed both within and between populations.

        There is no obvious reason why vaxes would be expected to yield similar results between populations any more than they do within populations.

        A lot of work has been done over recent decades, since the ‘human genome’ was opened up, to associate health and medical proclivities and outcomes with particular genes that are more or less prevalent in different populations – all of that approach seems to have been chucked out with c 19.

        The approach to c 19 seems to have been radically simplistic and botched. A decision was made early on to take a ‘one size fits all’ rather than a knowledgeable genomic approach.

        So, there is no obvious reason why vaxes would yield similar results between UK and Isr/el.

  45. Artleads says:

  46. Ed says:

    This is redundant just venting

    1) desperate push to 100% vax in EU and US
    2) no hurry in third world
    3) China and Russia use their own don’t know what that means
    4) vax has no purpose (effect) other than some nasty side effect deaths
    5) four years out many theories but I will wait to see what in fact happens

    Gail’s focus on energy is good. Energy is real. I await the first year we have 6% down from peak on oil consumption.

  47. Ed says:

    Went to the mall yesterday in Kingston New York. In the past 200 small shops and three large anchor stores. Now the only remaining stores are two hair cut places and two eye glass stores. The food court has one remaining Chinese place and his business is people who come from outside the mall for takeout only. There used to be ten food shops and a full restaurant.

    They block off the empty stores and in return are not taxed on them. They are using large 15 foot by 30 foot historical pictures of the area. Many show the storage and movement of coal. One shows electric trolley service very early 1910? I can see that one, making a come back. Funny thing even in pictures from 120 years ago much of the town looked run down even then.

    • Wow! There seem to be a lot of bankrupt malls around. I am thinking that the finances of airports are headed the same direction.

      This trip fling from Atlanta to Minneapolis pretty much confirmed what I had noticed before, in making a very similar flight about a month ago. A rather large share of the places to eat (50%+?) are closed. Those that are open tend to have limited menu options.

      In the Minneapolis airport, there is a food court that is pretty much closed. Out at the gates, there are tables for two, with little screens that can be used to order food from the nearby restaurant. The picture on the screen shows salads, but when a person clicks on the link, the only food options are several “flavors” of pizza.” Two types of cake are also on the menu.

      There are refrigerator cases where a person can find pre-made sandwiches and a few salad offerings. I found a hummus and vegetable wrap. My husband looked for one like it, but there were none to be found. He settled for some other combination, with carrot sticks and hummus.

      Most of the non-food stores tend to be open. They want to tempt travelers with high cost impulse items.

      It is hard to believe that the airports are making enough money to pay their mortgages.

      • Minority of One says:

        You just piqued my curiosity. I have rarely seen or heard a flight coming into / out of Aberdeen since beginning of last year. Not that I have flown very much, but when I / we got a flight it was usually about 6 am and the check-in counters were packed.

        I see that today there are about 2 flights in and out per hour, and none before 10:20 am. Ouch.

      • Hubbs says:

        I would not be surprised if the PTB take a leaf from this COVID Spike Protein dissemination plan and introduce swine flu or similar virus to create new epidemics among pigs or poultry to squeeze our protein food supply- China style. May require secondary control of feed grains/corn as well. Shut down local restaurants and corral everyone into the box stores and big feeder lots. Submit or starve.

        Me? Practically a tea totaller/non smoker, but I am heading off to ABC store to buy a dozen 1.75 L bottles of Makers Mark for barter, and from there more coffee in view of the freeze and drought in Brazil. I’d stock up on cigarettes, but their shelf life is only about a year. Whiskey is forever.

        I bought 2 dozen small 1 pint Ball canning jars at Ace Hardware last week, two of the four remaining ( not even tractor Supply, Wal Mart etc had any in that size) so as not to be accused of hoarding. I had quietly purchased nearly all of them piece meal during the last four months- they were just sitting there. Yesterday, the other two left were gone, although the larger mouth and 1qrt size Purrs are plentiful. But in the event of a power outage which you might expect to accompany a shipping /supply/monetary disruption, you want to have your have your food already cooked so the energy inputs are spoken for. The last thing you want to be doing is foraging for wood to cook when NG is easy, cheap, and plentiful. But serving sizes have to be small if you are living alone like I am. If you have a quart jar of chicken, half will go bad before you can eat it if you do not have the electricity to run the fridge. Consistency of collapse. Canned meat has a shelf life of two years. I think the striking distance time-wise (2 years) for an event is now in reach. If anything, the price will only increase whereas arguably a lot of deflationists argue the opposite- but I think that could be for non-food items.

        Will be dropping my daughter off for expensive indoctrination at NC State Saturday. I am just waiting to see if they change the rules and suddenly require everyone to be vaccinated if they want to attend class in person. For now, it is only mask requirement. It should be a moot point as both my daughter and I have had COVID. Needless to say, I have told her to hang on to the proof of her positive PCR test to resist any injections and claim she has natural immunity although she will probably still have to be “tested” every week. If she tests positive on arrival, then we can argue there is no need to keep testing her. We know she has tested positive. Duh. On the other hand, I could see the off-the-wall logic that if she were to now test NEGATIVE, then they would require her to submit to weekly tests, and even worse, argue that she now needs the vaccine because she is negative and may get re-infected, and so needs the shots.

        I almost think she needs to send a separate test to an independent lab – a sort of reverse “papaya test” like the (I suspect executed) president of Tanzania did and discovered that papaya tested positive for SARS- CoV2 and then kicked the WHO out of the country along with their snake oil vaccines. I would NOT be surprised if the results of the COVID test at the colleges are corrupted just as the votes were in the 2020 election. Those you have not been injected will automatically test positive. Those who have been injected will not be tested, so we will never know if they in fact they have become infected with a variant, since as I have maintained, the “vaccines” were intentionally designed to very narrowly target a specific strain, so as there would be a continuing “need” for more injections of spike proteins for the subsequent variants. Just like the pink slime in CAT in the Hat Comes Back-Covid style, A -Z and then finally COVID VROOM! COVID.

        • Ed says:

          Hubbs, I wish you and your daughter the best of luck. I fear logic and reason have nothing to do with their behavior.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Thank you, close to home.

        Dennis L.

      • Sam says:

        yes Gail but I think that is because they can’t get employees to fill in?

        • Even if the reason that these businesses are closed (or are offering only a very limited menu) is because they cannot find workers, the closed businesses still cannot pay their rent. This is a problem for the owners of the airport facilities.

          And people using the airport have limited food choices. This isn’t a huge problem. There is some food available. No one will starve.

    • Herbie Ficklestein says:

      Miami Is a Hotspot for Retail Development
      Nearly 1.5 million square feet of retail space will deliver in the market this year, the highest level since 2017.
      By Kelsi Maree Borland | April 27, 2021 at 06:42 AM

      Miami is one of the top markets in the country for retail development, according to a report from Marcus & Millichap. The firm’s second quarter 2021 outlook report forecasts nearly 1.5 million square feet of retail space will deliver into the market this year, the highest level since 2017.
      Mall redevelopment and mixed-use projects are driving the development activity, and much of it wrapped up in three projects. One of the largest projects in the market is the Miami Worldcenter, a mixed-use development with residential hospitality and 300,000 square feet of retail space. In Miami Beach, Bal Harbour Shops is adding 350,000 square feet, which is scheduled for completion in 2023. Finally, the Aventura Mall is in the middle of a 215,000-square-foot expansion, which is expected to hit the market later this year.
      Last year, the pandemic hampered retail development. According to the report, retail deliveries were half of what they were for the previous five-year average and the lowest level in a calendar year in more than a decade. Still, retail projects continued to come to market. Miami Beach added nearly 100,000 square feet of space, and South Dade added more than 71,000 square feet of space. This year, developers will make up for the lost time, delivering 1 million square feet more year-over-year
      Developers are clearly bullish on the Miami retail sector, but the market has certainly seen an impact from the pandemic. This year, the report expects vacancy rate to climb 80 basis points to 5.2%, the highest rate since 2010. The slowed leasing activity along with increased retail development will also drag asking rents down 1.3% this year to $31.83 per square foot. In 2020, the vacancy rate was unchanged, and asking rents fell 3.1%.

      Surprisingly, this is one hot spot of Mall retail. The traffic is so bad that a certain times of the day on US1 is basically gridlock and Aventura Mall in North Miami is under a major expansion.
      Seems there is a massive influx of new out of state residents coming to live here, judging by the numerous high rise projects being built around the area. Single family homes are not popular with developers, unless it is the high end luxury market that is for the super rich.
      Working class are being offered rental apartments in new complexes.
      I posted an article already Fort Lauderdale Airport is at pre pandemic level and the current expansion is still being implemented!.

      Crossing my fingers that a major hurricane does not devastate the South Florida region before I relocate out of here. So obvious of population overshoot of water resources, land and infrastructure use . The cash and grab will continue because the easy money is too tempting not to take. Do not recognize the landscape any longer and realize other places are facing the same….Charlotte, NC, Austin, Tx for example, while others are being abandoned.

      • Herbie Ficklestein says:

        Oh, just noticed this write-up and an addition to the above to validate the Cash and Grab ploy game now being played by the Developers and local Government Public Officials that approve it all…

        Raleigh News and Observer
        Learn from Miami regarding NC 12. Start planning now for it to disappear.
        Tue, August 10, 2021, 11:59 AM

        Highway 12: Act now, don’t wait
        The writer is a professor emeritus of Earth Sciences at Duke University’s Nicholas School of the Environment.

        The Army Corps of Engineers is planning to build sea wall around downtown Miami, 20 feet high in places, to protect the city from storm surges and flooding.

        The problem is that Miami sits atop porous limestone through which rising sea waters will soon flood the city — a 100-foot seawall would not make a difference. The rising water from below is well known and understood, and it may have played a role in the recent Miami area building collapse.

        It seems some planners in Miami just can’t get their heads around the catastrophe that the city faces — a catastrophe that could lead to eventual abandonment and 4 million environmental refugees fleeing north

        So. If this is acknowledged by this retired Duke University professor…
        Wink wink…it’s also known here in South Florida…
        Suppose there is much public monies to be pocketed in building useless sea walls…

      • Minority of One says:

        Are we allowed to ask – where you thinking of moving to, given all that you know?

        • Herbie Ficklestein says:

          The highest place in Florida is Bok Towers near Lake Wales central Florida…
          BTW. Dade and Broward Counties in South Florida already are experiencing Salt Water intrusion of the fresh water aquifer and water table rise that is making septic tanks inoperable in some neighborhoods.
          There is a second location that only I and other all knowing personalities that seems a promising spot.
          But remember there is no security while breathing 😂

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