Ramping Up Renewables Can’t Provide Enough Heat Energy in Winter

We usually don’t think about the wonderful service fossil fuels provide in terms of being a store of heat energy for winter, the time when there is a greater need for heat energy. Figure 1 shows dramatically how, in the US, the residential usage of heating fuels spikes during the winter months.

Figure 1. US residential use of energy, based on EIA data. The category “Natural Gas, etc.” includes all fuels bought directly by households and burned. This is primarily natural gas, but also includes small amounts of propane and diesel burned as heating oil. Wood chips or other commercial wood purchased to be burned is also in this category.

Solar energy is most abundantly available in the May-June-July period, making it a poor candidate for fixing the problem of the need for winter heat.

Figure 2. California solar electricity production by month through June 30, 2022, based on EIA data. Amounts are for utility scale and small scale solar combined.

In some ways, the lack of availability of fuels for winter is a canary in the coal mine regarding future energy shortages. People have been concerned about oil shortages, but winter fuel shortages are, in many ways, just as bad. They can result in people “freezing in the dark.”

In this post, I will look at some of the issues involved.

[1] Batteries are suitable for fine-tuning the precise time during a 24-hour period solar electricity is used. They cannot be scaled up to store solar energy from summer to winter.

In today’s world, batteries can be used to delay the use of solar electricity for at most a few hours. In exceptional situations, perhaps the holding period can be increased to a few days.

California is known both for its high level of battery storage and its high level of renewables. These renewables include both solar and wind energy, plus smaller amounts of electricity generated in geothermal plants and electricity generated by burning biomass. The problem encountered is that the electricity generated by solar panels tends to start and end too early in the day, relative to when citizens want to use this electricity. After citizens return home after work, they would like to cook their dinners and use their air conditioning, leading to considerable demand after the sun sets.

Figure 3. Illustration by Inside Climate News showing the combination of resources utilized during July 9, 2022, which was a day of peak electricity consumption. Imports refer to electricity purchased from outside the State of California.

Figure 3 illustrates how batteries in combination with hydroelectric generation (hydro) are used to save electricity generation from early in the day for use in the evening hours. While battery use is suitable for fine tuning exactly when, during a 24-hour period, solar energy will be used, the quantity of batteries cannot be ramped up sufficiently to save electricity from summer to winter. The world would run out of battery-making materials, if nothing else.

[2] Ramping up hydro is not a solution to our problem of inadequate energy for heat in winter.

One problem is that, in long-industrialized economies, hydro capabilities were built out years ago.

Figure 4. Annual hydro generation based on data of BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy.

It is difficult to believe that much more buildout is available in these countries.

Another issue is that hydro tends to be quite variable from year to year, even over an area as large as the United States, as shown in Figure 4 above. When the variability is viewed over a smaller area, the year-to-year variability is even higher, as illustrated in Figure 5 below.

Figure 5. Monthly California hydroelectric generation through June 30, 2022, based on EIA data.

The pattern shown reflects peak generation in the spring, when the ice pack is melting. Low generation generally occurs during the winter, when the ice pack is frozen. Thus, hydro tends not be helpful for raising winter energy supplies. A similar pattern tends to happen in other temperate areas.

A third issue is that variability in hydro supply is already causing problems. Norway has recently reported that it may need to limit hydro exports in coming months because water reservoirs are low. Norway’s exports of electricity are used to help balance Europe’s wind and solar electricity. Thus, this issue may lead to yet another energy problem for Europe.

As another example, China reports a severe power crunch in its Sichuan Province, related to low rainfall and high temperatures. Fossil fuel generation is not available to fill the gap.

[3] Wind energy is not a greatly better than hydro and solar, in terms of variability and poor timing of supply.

For example, Europe experienced a power crunch in the third quarter of 2021 related to weak winds. Europe’s largest wind producers (Britain, Germany and France) produced only 14% of their rated capacity during this period, compared with an average of 20% to 26% in previous years. No one had planned for this kind of three-month shortfall.

In 2021, China experienced dry, windless weather, resulting in both its generation from wind and hydro being low. The country found it needed to use rolling blackouts to deal with the situation. This led to traffic lights failing and many families needing to eat candle-lit dinners.

Even viewed on a nationwide basis, US wind generation varies considerably from month to month.

Figure 6. Total US wind electricity generation through June 20, 2022, based on EIA data.

US total wind electricity generation tends to be highest in April or May. This can cause oversupply issues because hydro generation tends to be high about the same time. The demand for electricity tends to be low because of generally mild weather. The result is that even at today’s renewable levels, a wet, windy spring can lead to a situation in which the combination of hydro and wind electricity supply exceeds total local demand for electricity.

[4] As more wind and solar are added to the grid, the challenges and costs become increasingly great.

There are a huge number of technical problems associated with trying to add a large amount of wind and solar energy to the grid. Some of them are outlined in Figure 7.

Figure 7. Introductory slide from a presentation by power engineers shown in this YouTube Video.

One of the issues is torque distortion, especially related to wind energy.

Figure 8. Slide describing torque distortion issues from the same presentation to power engineers as Figure 7. YouTube Video.

There are also many other issues, including some outlined on this Drax website. Wind and solar provide no “inertia” to the system. This makes me wonder whether the grid could even function without a substantial amount of fossil fuel or nuclear generation providing sufficient inertia.

Furthermore, wind and solar tend to make voltage fluctuate, necessitating systems to absorb and discharge something called “reactive power.”

[5] The word “sustainable” has created unrealistic expectations with respect to intermittent wind and solar electricity.

A person in the wind turbine repair industry once told me, “Wind turbines run on a steady supply of replacement parts.” Individual parts may be made to last 20-years, or even longer, but there are so many parts that some are likely to need replacement long before that time. An article in Windpower Engineering says, “Turbine gearboxes are typically given a design life of 20 years, but few make it past the 10-year mark.”

There is also the problem of wind damage, especially in the case of a severe storm.

Figure 9. Hurricane-damaged solar panels in Puerto Rico. Source.

Furthermore, the operational lives for fossil fuel and nuclear generating plants are typically much longer than those for wind and solar. In the US, some nuclear plants have licenses to operate for 60 years. Efforts are underway to extend some licenses to 80 years.

With the short life spans for wind and solar, constant rebuilding of wind turbines and solar generation is necessary, using fossil fuels. Between the rebuilding issue and the need for fossil fuels to maintain the electric grid, the output of wind turbines and solar panels cannot be expected to last any longer than fossil fuel supply.

[6] Energy modeling has led to unrealistic expectations for wind and solar.

Energy models don’t take into account all of the many adjustments to the transmission system that are needed to support wind and solar, and the resulting added costs. Besides the direct cost of the extra transmission required, there is an ongoing need to inspect parts for signs of wear. Brush around the transmission lines also needs to be cut back. If adequate maintenance is not performed, transmission lines can cause fires. Burying transmission lines is sometimes an option, but doing so is expensive, both in energy use and cost.

Energy models also don’t take into account the way wind turbines and solar panels perform in “real life.” In particular, most researchers miss the point that electricity from solar panels cannot be expected to be very helpful for meeting our need for heat energy in winter. If we want to add more summer air conditioning, solar panels can “sort of” support this effort, especially if batteries are also added to help fine tune when, during the 24-hour day, the solar electricity will be utilized. Unfortunately, we don’t have any realistic way of saving the output of solar panels from summer to winter.

It seems to me that supporting air conditioning is a rather frivolous use for what seems to be a dwindling quantity of available energy supply. In my opinion, our first two priorities should be adequate food supply and preventing freezing in the dark in winter. Solar, especially, does nothing for these issues. Wind can be used to pump water for crops and animals. In fact, an ordinary windmill, built 100 years ago, can also be used to provide this type of service.

Because of the intermittency issue, especially the “summer to winter” intermittency issue, wind and solar are not truly replacements for electricity produced by fossil fuels or nuclear. The problem is that most of the current system needs to remain in place, in addition to the renewable energy system. When researchers make cost comparisons, they should be comparing the cost of the intermittent energy, including necessary batteries and grid enhancements with the cost of the fuel saved by operating these devices.

[7] Competitive pricing plans that enable the growth of wind and solar electricity are part of what is pushing a number of areas in the world toward a “freezing-in-the-dark” problem.

In the early days of electricity production, “utility pricing” was generally used. With this approach, vertical integration of electricity supply was encouraged. A utility would make long term contracts with a number of providers and would set prices for customers based on the expected long-term cost of electricity production and distribution. The utility would make certain that transmission lines were properly repaired and would add new generation as needed.

Energy prices of all kinds spiked in the late 1970s. Not long afterward, in an attempt to prevent high electricity prices from causing inflation, a shift in pricing arrangements started taking place. More competition was encouraged, with the new approach called competitive pricing. Vertically integrated groups were broken up. Wholesale electricity prices started varying by time of day, based on which providers were willing to sell their production at the lowest price, for that particular time period. This approach encouraged providers to neglect maintaining their power lines and stop adding more storage capacity. Any kind of overhead expense was discouraged.

In fact, under this arrangement, wind and solar were also given the privilege of “going first.” If too much energy in total was produced, negative rates could result for other providers. This approach was especially harmful for nuclear energy. Nuclear power plants found that their overall price structure was too low. They sometimes closed because of inadequate profitability. New investments in nuclear energy were discouraged, as was proper maintenance. This effect has been especially noticeable in Europe.

Figure 10. Nuclear, wind and solar electricity generated in Europe, based on data of BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy.

The result is that about a third of the gain from wind and solar energy has been offset by the decline in nuclear electricity generation. Of course, nuclear is another low-carbon form of electricity. It is a great deal more reliable than wind or solar. It can even help prevent freezing in the dark because it is likely to be available in winter, when more electricity for heating is likely to be needed.

Another issue is that competitive pricing discouraged the building of adequate storage facilities for natural gas. Also, it tended to discourage purchasing natural gas under long term contracts. The thinking went, “Rather than building storage, why not wait until the natural gas is needed, and then purchase it at the market rate?”

Unfortunately, producing natural gas requires long-term investments. Companies producing natural gas operate wells that produce approximately equal amounts year-round. The same pattern of high winter-consumption of natural gas tends to occur almost simultaneously in many Northern Hemisphere areas with cold winters. If the system is going to work, customers need to be purchasing natural gas, year-round, and stowing it away for winter.

Natural gas production has been falling in Europe, as has coal production (not shown), necessitating more imports of replacement fuel, often natural gas.

Figure 11. Natural gas production in Europe, based on data of BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy.

With competitive rating and LNG ships seeming to sell natural gas on an “as needed” basis, there has been a tendency in Europe to overlook the need for long term contracts and additional storage to go with rising natural gas imports. Now, Europe is starting to discover the folly of this approach. Solar is close to worthless for providing electricity in winter; wind cannot be relied upon. It doesn’t ramp up nearly quickly enough, in any reasonable timeframe. The danger is that countries will risk having their citizens freeze in the dark because of inadequate natural gas import availability.

[8] The world is a very long way from producing enough wind and solar to solve its energy problems, especially its need for heat in winter.

The energy supply that the world uses includes much more than electricity. It contains oil and fuels burned directly, such as natural gas. The percentage share of this total energy supply that wind and solar output provides depends on how it is counted. The International Energy Agency treats wind and solar as if they only replace fuel, rather than replacing dispatchable electricity.

Figure 12 Wind and solar generation for a category called “Wind, Solar, etc.” by the IEA. Amounts are for 2020 for Germany, the UK, Australia, Norway, the United States, and Japan. For other groups shown in this chart, the amounts are calculated using 2019 data.

On this basis, the share of total energy provided by the Wind and Solar category is very low, only 2.2% for the world as a whole. Germany comes out highest of the groups analyzed, but even it is replacing only 6.0% of its total energy consumed. It is difficult to imagine how the land and water around Germany could tolerate wind turbines and solar panels being ramped up sufficiently to cover such a shortfall. Other parts of the world are even farther from replacing current energy supplies with wind and solar.

Clearly, we cannot expect wind and solar to ever be ramped up to meet our energy needs, even in combination with hydro.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,845 Responses to Ramping Up Renewables Can’t Provide Enough Heat Energy in Winter

  1. Fast Eddy says:

    Deplorable Maggot
    Writes Deplorable Maggot Musings
    6 hr ago

    “Everybody gets a Troponin test”

    Steve, you will find this story of interest.

    I was just today discharged from the most prestigious academic teaching hospital in the South. I had gone in to the ER yesterday morning because I was so dizzy that I could barely stand (I’m a health 62 in good shape; BMI: 24). I am also a few weeks post-concussion, so I was worried about a cranial bleed.

    Long story short: I was held overnight so that they could do an MRI/MRA w/contrast this morning. That showed no TIA bleeding, which was great news. Apparently, the concussion has done some damage to my Vestibular functions (inner ear). I was then discharged after lunch, told to live life slowly and carefully, and instructed to follow up with a neuro-balance therapy group. Now for the interesting part…

    I asked for all of my data files and paperwork, as I always do. As I went through the exhaustive four pages of MRI interpretation, I noticed a paragraph at the bottom of page five titled: HS Troponin – I Beckman with an excellent result (4 ng/L w/ reference range of 3-19). That’s curious! So, I asked the nurse “Why did you run this test?” She responded that it is often run for potential stroke patients, which, upon reflection, I could understand.

    I went a bit further and asked how frequently it is tested in the general population, and that’s when I got the fascinating answer to the real (vaxx) question. She said “Just this year we have started running Troponin on almost everybody, even a guy that comes into the ER with a cut on his finger”. I asked why the new protocol, and she didn’t have an answer, but she did close by saying “We sure are seeing a lot of elevated levels in so many people”. Wow, I thought. You’ve just given a hard-core mRNA skeptic like me a gold nugget.

    Jim R.


    6 hr ago
    My wife became pregnant. The first pregnancy center visit, the nurse told that my wife must start using blood thinner (aspirin). They told us that it was a new protocol to give blood thinners to pregnant women with BMI on the obese side to prevent pre-eclampsia. We found it quite interesting that this protocol had been in place since spring 2021.


  2. Fast Eddy says:

    New paper confirms the COVID vaccines kill brain cells and heart cells leading to death

    The CDC isn’t going to tell you any of this. Today, it’s the job of “misinformation spreaders” like me to let you know what is in the most respected peer-reviewed scientific journals.


  3. CTG says:


    I see from your comments that you are “selective” when it comes to answering questions. Perhaps avoiding the questions that you are not comfortable in answering. I think that is intellectually deficient in doing that. OK, here are the questions.

    1. Before selling a product (computers, cars, software, drugs, etc), the product must be tested fully. A customer, be it paying or free must able to enjoy or use that product that is fully tested for its function and safety. If the product is deficient or unsafe, the customer can seek legal damages from the product. Agree or disagree?

    2. A product cannot be sold or used if it is found to be unsafe or dangerous. If the testing process was found to be fraudulent with intentional lies and clearly it is shown to be a sham, then the product must be stopped immediately and the relevant authorities must step in with a big stick in its hand. This is to safeguard the public. Agree or disagree?

    3. Ford Pinto caused 27 deaths and there were 2.3 millions of them sold. It was pulled out and if I am not mistaken, some criminal action was taken (I stand corrected). Product was removed from public. Do you think this is the right thing to do?

    So, Norm, please answer these questions. Thank you

    • CTG

      i thought i’d explained that trying to answer questions on vaxxing etc is pointless, just leads to more idiot vomitary in that respect from certain quarters.

      i offer no opinions either way. i’ve been vaxxed myself, and there’s an end to it.

      you simply made ‘statements’ on the level of…. ‘have you stopped beating your wife?’

      in addition, i do not get into pointless discussion on material that originates with people who tell me that the moon landing/WTC/Sandy Hook/Ukraine war was all staged by crisis actors and Kennedy assassination plus a lot of other stuff was ‘faked’, then go on to insist that vaxxing problems are real.

      i’ve no doubt there are problems with vaxxing, all medical intervention has problems, but 2 years ago, covid itself was ‘faked’, that then switched to the vaccine being a means to bump off 90% of the world’s population, mass murder babies and so on—and on.

      If you choose to embroil yourself in such rubbish, that is your choice.

      but don’t expect me to.

      • CTG says:

        Guys…. you have the answer from Norm.. He will just do the following 2 things

        1. beating up FE
        2. beating around the bush of the known issue – surplus energy.

        I will stop provoking Norm. Thank you Norm for your answer. Hope you have a great day and continue down your chosen path. All the best

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Tell us more about what it’s like to be Boosted norm… do you feel great joy as you wait for your turn to be injected? Do you ever feel any trepidation … do you feel relief when you don’t collapse after the shot?

        We are really keen to learn about this… as we will never get to experience it

        I feel tremendous fear of the injection — in fact if anyone tried to force me… I can guarantee you … the lead would fly…

    • Fast Eddy says:

      The trap is set!

      • skimming over today’s replies eddy—i see that you are still at about 20:1

        still, talking to yourself does guarantee someone listening who knows what you’re blathering on about.

        incidentally, ive just had my booster, so if i trail off writing this, you’ll know i’m dea……………,,,,,,,,,,,,,

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I’ll try to do better… I went for a bike ride yesterday and lost over an hour of prime posting time

    • Xabier says:

      You have framed the essence of the question very well, CTG.

      We now wait with bated breath for a serious response from the sage of the pensioners’ day centre.

    • Tsubion says:

      Norm knows he’s wrong. He’s going through horrible cognitive dissonance. I actually feel sorry for him…

      …in the same way I feel sorry for all the people who will die without ever having experienced a glimmer of truth in their lives…

      … emptiness… shallow, hollow, emaciated emptiness…

      … of no value whatsoever.

      • Tim Groves says:

        Respect for the Aged Day (Keirō no Hi) is a public holiday in Japan celebrated annually to honor elderly citizens. It started in 1966 as a national holiday and was held on every September 15. Since 2003, Respect for the Aged Day is held on the third Monday of September due to the Happy Monday System.

        This national holiday traces its origins to 1947, when the village of Nomadani-mura in Hyōgo Prefecture, proclaimed September 15 Old Folks’ Day (Toshiyori no Hi). Its popularity spread nationwide, and in 1966 it took its present name and status. Annually, Japanese media take the opportunity to feature the elderly, reporting on the population and highlighting the oldest people in the country.

        I think the Denizens of OFW would do well to respect the oldest member of the community on this one day of the year. We should declare the third Monday of September Respect Norman Day, and on that day we should agree with him on everything, pamper him, flatter him, praise his great intellectual genius, pander to his every whim and generally celebrate him still being around.

        And on all the other days of the year, it’s open season on him just like they have on rabbits.

        • pandering to every whim is a good idea—i like that Tim, provided i get to choose the panderer. I wouldn’t trust eddy’s choice somehow.

          other than that, i wish there was someone among the chattering classes on OFW capable of intelligent debate, rather than wandering off into nutterland with crisis actors, people exterminators, universal simulations, elders and elites, miscellaneous hoaxes, plots and conspirathons, sexual obsessions, rages at differing opinions and various offshoots of social media.

          Check the archives–prior to 2015 it wasn’t like that.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            That’s because our understanding of how things work is evolving … in 2015 Fast Eddy assumed we’d been to the moon … but then HE stumbled across Moon Doggie — then Astronauts Gone Wild … the American Moon … then the NASA engineer discussing how they are working on a ship that will allow them to pass through the van allen belts without dying…

            Things like this create an awakening in some people… hmmm.. if they have been able to fool most people on this issue — then what else?

            Then there are people like you. Nasty old fools… clueless… trapped in 1947… wilfully blind… unable to grasp nuance… like an old stump rotting away in the forest…

            Trusting the BBC … and government… and pumping dog shit into his body every couple of months… and gleefully watching as children follow you to the clinic like a twisted deviant pied piper.

            The vast majority of OFWers will agree with the above. You know it – I know it.

        • Xabier says:

          Interesting, Tim: but why does the concept of ‘the Happy Monday system’ make my heart sink?

          I fear this is an unfathomable cultural gulf.

          But then I’ve never liked Bank Holiday Mondays, much – possibly due to the rain which invariably materialises on cue….

        • Lidia17 says:

          Maybe we should make it Sept.11th?

      • well, when i find myself cast adrift on the ocean of delusion, and most OFWorldsters around me are either waving or drowning—i shall at least float

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Imagine spending your entire live enthralled by the BBC hahahahaha… gawd

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    Hepatitis A was not covered in the original 1984 version of The Silent Killers as the shot was first approved for use in the USA in 1995. What’s the difference between Hepatis A and B? They are completely different viruses, as are their modes of transmission. An infection by hepatitis B requires direct blood to blood contact. It cannot be transmitted by close personal contact unless the mucosal lining is broken as with certain sexual activities and sharing of needles. This fact alone should make you wonder why babies are injected with it on day one.

    Much differently, hepatitis A can be transmitted by the oral-fecal route. This means that if you swallow contaminated food or water, and are susceptible, you might develop symptoms. How serious are the symptoms? Not very serious unless you’ve already got liver problems. In fact, “children under the age of 6 often do not show any symptoms.”: https://www.hepb.org/blog/whats-difference-hepatitis-vs-hepatitis-b/ As you know, asymptomatic infections can still provide that lifelong protection of infection immunity. The symptoms, if they appear, are related to liver inflammation. Nausea, vomiting, abdominal pains, fever, and jaundice are examples. Most cases of this will resolve without any treatment at all unless the person is significantly immunosuppressed.

    How and why does this virus affect the liver? After swallowing the virus, if it can get past the acids in the stomach that normally destroy virus particles by oxidation, it ends up in the small intestine. “The mechanism of penetration of the hepatitis A virus from the intestine into the blood is not exactly known.”:

    One explanation could be an unhealthy gut microbiome, allowing easier access by loosening the “tight junction” between epithelial cells. The fact is, not everyone who swallows it will allow it to get through. If it does get through and into the bloodstream, it makes its way to the liver as all blood eventually does, for detoxification. There are receptors on liver cells that will allow the virus to attach. After attachment, the virus can be accepted by the cell and copies will be made. The immune system reaction is cytotoxic T-cells recognizing and destroying these cells that contain the viruses. The level of tissue destruction determines the level of hepatitis (liver inflammation) that occurs. Some scientists even classify the hepatitis resulting from a viral infection as an autoimmune disease because the immune system is destroying liver tissue to clear the virus.

    The point is, the virus must get into the bloodstream to affect you, so why inject it on purpose? When you swallow it, you MIGHT have to deal with it. When you inject it, you DEFINITELY have to deal with it. That’s why one of the possible side effects of injecting it is…you guessed it…hepatitis.


    Reject All Vaccines.

    • Kim says:

      I have previously mentioned the role of stomach acid (HCl) not just in digestion but in keeping us healthy by protecting us against the many potentially problematic micro-critters that we ingest every day.

      Low stomach acid is a chronic condition in the USA although its symptoms are usually mistreated as *excessive*, thus creating the $5bn a year antacid industry.

      Critters aside, chronic low stomach acid in older people can cause them to eschew healthy proteins and fats and instead eat junk carbs that are more easily absorbed bcs they are broken down by saliva rather than by HCland enzymes in the stomach.

      One result of this is the muscle wasting that you see in older men. The neck is too thin for the head. The shirts look like they are hanging from too small a coathanger.

      Check out Kaiser Dunegan, the host of Liberty and Finance on youtube, for a classic example of this condition.

      Lack of muscle mass is a precursor to all kinds of illnesses. It is generally thought that it is somehow “natural” and therefore acceptable or inevitable to suffer muscle loss of 1-3% a year after age 60, but you really don’t need to accept it. Exercise is crucial but so is eating enough good protein and fat to sustain it.

      In this connection I have previously spruiked Betaine HCl for encouraging thev appetite and for ensuring the complete breakdown of food before it passes out of the stomach. It is very cheap online, about $5 a kilo, which is plenty of product, and you can put it in your own gelatine capsules.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Notice how a lot of people have a chicken neck as they age… that loose flap of skin under their chin … gobblers

      • Wet My Beak says:

        You are right but protein is unaffordable by those over 60 in sad corrupt new zealand. Hence the continual ram-raids as children seek to get more money to feed their elderly.

    • Tsubion says:

      Hepatitis is liver damage caused by toxins. Nothing to do with fantasy virus particles.

      Unless you want to label every one of the trillions of particles in and around our bodies “viruses” … which of course is ludicrous.

      People need to learn about the true cause of disease not what we’ve been fed by the corrupt pharma witch doctors.

      Virology is already dead. It just doesn’t knnow it yet.

      • JMS says:

        Like its purported object of study, virology is neither alive nor dead, it’s a living-dead thing, a zombie science, which will keep moving, biting, wreaking havoc on our health, and could only be eliminated by a paradigm shift that is not going to happen as long as most of its believers and beneficiaries are alive.

  5. Fast Eddy says:

    UK Health Security Agency Ambulance Syndromic Surveillance System, Week 30′; ambulance call-outs relating to immediate care required for debilitating condition affecting heart nearly doubled in 2021

    This chart is daily number of 999 calls requesting an ambulance due to suffering cardiac arrest in England vs the expected rate (black dotted line); daily number of calls has been way above average



    Maybe they need to change the definition of Safe… just like they did for Vaccine

    • These charts are disturbing!

      • Fast Eddy says:

        norm and anyone who injected the Dog Shit should be troubled… but they continue to Boost… so I assume hey are not troubled…

        I suppose they think that there is a bit of risk with the injections but CNN BBC said that the injections saved 6.5 lives… so rather take their chances with the vax than the Vid.

        Me – oh no I am not troubled… I didn’t inject the Dog Shit .. I feel great — unlikely I’ll have to visit the ER as ski and hockey seasons are over — and I never fall on my bike…

        I also do not have VAIDS so rule out all those infections that could hitch to my caboose and put me in the hospital.

        Nope no troubles here… no stress.. no anxiety… just waiting for that Q4 Boom!

        If I am wrong that’s ok… it’s not as if I am trapped in a flat in London in that damp miserable cold … choosing between eating and staying warm!

        Summer is coming … it’s bright and sunny… Q2 2023 is actually ideal. May is a bit gloomy… May would be perfect … actually

        But I do wonder about the hyper inflation that is threatening…

  6. Fast Eddy says:

    Lots of likes for FE comments here… some people are starting to recognize that we are F789ed… and why…


    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      TPTB aren’t just going to let contagion destroy the world economy.

      this was just seen in the UK, where they restarted QE to keep their bonds and pension funds from imploding, which really was done to save the “banks” (The Bankers) of course.

      that was one hole in the dam that they plugged but, as the Endgame nears, each move to mitigate one problem will likely cause one or more problems elsewhere.

      that is where contagion could eventually take off.

      maybe THIS WEEK?

      there are hints that UK>Swiss>Germany is a possible path for near term contagion that would have to be stopped by “printing” lots of digital money out of thin air.

      that can work in the short run, but in the long run…

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Keep in mind … by saving the pensions (really that is saving the world from collapse…) they are being forced into doing more of the same thing that caused inflation to skyrocket.

        It’s obviously not a solution – it will result in hyper inflation at some point .. we are now at a point where there is not enough energy to go round… turning the money spigot back on does nothing but cause wide spread inflation as the money chases goods and services…

        The only good thing about what they have done is that if they had not acted – we’d be in a Mad Max situation right now … the impact of turning the spigot back on is not so immediate… it fends off catastrophe a little while longer.

        There is no way out.

        • Xabier says:

          We now live like wild animals in a dangerous environment, full of cunning predators: survival for just one day more is to be celebrated.

          Or like most of our ancestprs in the trenches of WW1: only this war cannot end……

      • CTG says:

        Hey davidinabillionyears….. I don’t like you… you changed… end game is near? It was you who said 2030.. I copyrighted “the end game is near”….

        carpe diem

  7. According to Bloomberg,


    OPEC+ to Consider Output Cut of More Than 1 Million Barrels

    The OPEC+ group of oil producers will consider cutting output by more than 1 million barrels a day, according to delegates, when it meets in person on Wednesday for the first time in more than two years.

    A larger-than-expected reduction would reflect the scale of concern that the global economy is slowing fast in the face of rapidly tightening monetary policy. A final decision on the size of the cuts won’t be made until ministers meet in Vienna, the delegates said. A cut of 1 million would be the biggest since the pandemic.

    This should hardly be a shock. With the current low price, it is not in the economic interest of OPEC+ to extract the oil. Of course, they will cut their oil production.

    Of course, the US putting oil from the SPR onto the market is helping depress the market. I believe that this is something like 500,000 barrels per day. So part of this cut can be thought of as relating to the US’s attempt to lower oil prices by putting SPR reserves into the market.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      with this OPEC+ cut and the end of the SPR releases later this month(?), it looks like prices might go above $100 again.

      your August 23 post had a graph showing that Brent priced in euros was at a record high earlier in 2022.

      I would assume that $100+ Brent now with the euro at $0.98 would be a new record high for EU importers, or at least very close.

      also, Brent with the GBP at $1.11 might also be a new record high for the UK.

      do you have an easy source to see if this is true?

      if not, no big deal, whatever the numbers are, Europe almost certainly is paying near record high prices for oil.

      in the above scenario, the 10+% inflation in Europe will only be heading higher.

  8. Lastcall says:

    Maybe a freezing winter or two in Euroland will reverse the invasion from across the Mediteranean?
    Greta will get her ice-pack back and maybe some space to enjoy it.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      now there’s a thought, or a few:

      Europeans who are hungry and freezing in the dark this winter might begin to wonder if they could emigrate south to warmer climes.

      at the least, maybe the most recent immigrants will decide to “go back”.

      at the most, it would be vastly ironic with mad doses of schadenfreude if Europe faces near total collapse and it unleashes an enormous “immigration crisis”, not into Europe but out of.

      que sera sera 2022/2023.

      • Replenish says:

        I’m thinking of the movie “The Day after Tomorrow” where the northern half of the US has to relocate to Mexico due to the Ice Age effect from Climate Change. However in this case, the north has to move south because of our attempts to prevent Climate Change. With 28 wooded mountain acres our family has the option to relocate to the hinterlands where we will spend our days playing hillbilly music, tending gardens, hunting wild game and building low-tech siegecraft. Not a bad way to eek out a living in the coming NGT.

      • JesseJames says:

        The immigrants will have their heating and food bills paid for my the government. Only the Brits will be starving and freezing. The only one that might think of immigrating south are the real Brits.

        • Well, the Brits produced such fine fellows like Nelson, Wellington and Brigadier Chucky Fitzclarence, all contributing for killing a lot of Europeans and bringing this chaos.

          Karma is a bitch, isn’t it?

    • Xabier says:

      No, they will mostly stay put mostly and riot over the ‘unacceptable (no doubt ‘racist’) living conditions’.

  9. NomadicBeer says:

    I rarely post anywhere online – I just don’t think I have anything that important to add.

    But this is maybe the only place online that will let this comment through so I would like to say it again:

    Is Fast Eddy crazy when he sees a global conspiracy where (almost) all the rich and powerful are collaborating?

    First of all, I think his UEP idea is ridiculous and ridiculously naive.

    But, if we look at the facts (see some examples below) it’s hard to imagine why supposedly anti-vax corporations like Fox and anti-west countries like Russia are DOING THE EXACT SAME THING as the pro-vax nazi people.

    Can anyone offer any non-conspiracy possibility?

    “Nearly all Fox staffers vaccinated for Covid even as hosts cast doubt on vaccine; more than 90% of Fox Corporation staff inoculated, according to memo announcing daily testing for unvaccinated employees”

    “Putin (rightly) nails the West for its horrendous “medical research,” and “monstrous experiments” on children. So WHY does he allow the “vaccination” of HIS people, even as they keep on dropping dead?”


    • A self-organizing system works strangely. Every person works in their own self-interest. Their self-interest is largely determined by the energy products that they can afford. Above a certain level, say reaching billionaire status, it becomes impossible to find anything to buy to help these folks self-interest.

      These billionaires, with lots of power as well as wealth, seem find it useful to try to control the world, in much the way players use some of the SIMS games to simulate parts of the economy. Only these folks seem to play for real. The results are not hidden conspiracies, they are very much out in the open collaborations among WEF members, and among governments of countries. There are also scientific project that cross boundaries among countries.

      These folks talk about the “Great Reset,” and “Build Back Better.” The Great Reset is really the Great Debt Default, I am afraid. With “Build Back Better,” it seems to me that these folks envision a world that is powered by robots and serfs. In times past, those who could not repay their debt became slaves, to pay off their debts. Now, working as a serf or slave may seem better than other options, if there is not enough food to go around.

      Of course, COVID was as very much out in the open collaboration as well. Researchers are always in the need for new projects. Making viruses more virulent seemed like a good idea, at least to some people. There were theoretical benefits, for example, in terms of building better vaccines, more quickly. But we have seen that the vaccines don’t necessarily work as planned. Or if this is as planned, it is sort of disturbing.

      Governments since ancient times have realized that too high population is a problem. Knowing this, they have taken steps to keep population down. There are quite a few ways of doing this, often involving deaths of young people. Craig Dilworth talks about this issue in Too Smart for Our Own Good: The Ecological Predicament of Mankind. This was published in 2009. We talked quite a bit about the book back then. I have met the author, and I have had dinner with his family in Stockholm.

      • Lidia17 says:

        The Covid issue is also one of control, as globalist forces have been allowed to perform end-runs around national sovereignty using boring health treaties to which the public pays no attention. They’ve been plotting out these steps for a long time, even telegraphing their “lockdown” intentions years before Covid was a twinkle in Fauci’s eye.

        James Corbett is very good on the details of this, and the related “ESG” pacts that allow “them” to choose economic winners and losers without regard to silly things like financial viability or accounting particulars.

      • Cromagnon says:

        I think that the Calhoun rat experiment has much to teach inquiring minds about mass population behaviours and how it appears there are emergent properties that manifest in bizarre ways.

    • you mustn’t infer that eddy is crazy

      it drives him crazy when people suggest that he is

      we are all mad

      eddy is the only one here to have signed the sanity claus

    • gpdawson2016 says:

      ‘Everyone works in their own self-interest….’ and, to add, they will form groups and further conspire in that group’s best interest….LOL! So we have a heirachy of self-interested groups competing or co-operating.

      It’s a mish-mash but some ‘truth’ may be discerned. Via Negativa, as Curt Doolittle would say. Truth simply being what’s left after all the rot has been cut away.

      • gpdawson2016 says:

        I know better than to attempt to get a thread going here…but.
        Does anyone here know something about the orbit of Mars?
        Strange fact: Mars has an eight year pattern that repeats indefinitely. For seven years it circles our Sun in approx. 707 Earth-days then, on the eighth, it does the same lap in approx. 543 Earth-days(150 days less).

        I know, I know. Elliptical orbit, deceleration, acceleration blah, blah, blah. But did you know of this distinct eight-year pattern? Who here is aware of it?
        Be honest.

        • Lidia17 says:

          Never heard of this.

        • JesseJames says:

          Never heard that one. Did you know about Saturn having a hexagonal structure on it pole?

        • drb753 says:

          Sounds like bullshit. MHO: Mars takes 687 days each and every time.

          • Tim Groves says:

            It’s complicated. According to some who have studied it, the apparent and actual motion of Mars are not fully understood even today. Or, more likely, the experts who do understand it, can’t explain it in terms basic enough for the laity to grasp.


            • JMS says:

              Fascinating stuff. Out of the blue, stellar intellectual entertainment for many pleasent hours.Thanks!

            • JMS says:

              Dear Astronomy, we must sit and talk, we have a problem:

              “To be sure, still today, no one really knows exactly how distant the stars are. Just consider that previously-mentioned, quite recent (2012) science journal’s announcement: “A scientific astronomy-study has determined that Polaris, our North Star, is approximately 1/3 closer to Earth than previously thought.” So much for the much-vaunted “pinpoint accuracy” of astronomical data! You may agree that this is an almost comical correction of such a “long-established” cosmic distance. If our world’s scientific/astronomical community cannot even agree on such a fundamental measurement (the Earth-Polaris distance), what credibility can any other claimed stellar distances possibly retain?”


            • Fast Eddy says:

              Hubble is fake

            • Fast Eddy says:

              And the Mars rover things… never happened…

              That’s the same tech we see hee


              as used here – this is obviously computer generated bullshit:


      • Cromagnon says:

        A shocking discovery ( for myself at least) was the understanding that everyone does not in fact act in their own best interest.
        Dark triad personalities ( which become overwhelmingly the norm in late stage civilizational upper hierarchies) often make decisions based upon extremely bizarre and intrinsically flawed neurology.
        They be NUTS is an understatement.

        For example, they would be the first person to try and sow distrust and hatred in a small group of people marooned on a desert island utterly dependent on each other for ongoing survival. Why,…… ?
        Why did the scorpion sting the fox giving him a ride across the river?
        It’s who they are.

        On the upside I suspect their soles end up suspended in some type of unpleasant purgatory when they expire and exit this simacrulum. They do not learn.

        • Lidia17 says:

          I know a couple of individuals like this (whole groups, actually): subverting and undermining every relationship, needling and wheedling then, when their targets are fed up, these saboteurs whine that they are the *real* victims.

          This is why it is difficult for me to believe in “souls” or even karma. Since—you’re right—they do not learn, they remain oblivious and thus impossible to “punish” in any meaningful way. You might as well punish a bear for not knowing how to sew on a button.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        That’s a good effort but it’s quite difficult to change the mind of most people… even if you show them irrefutable evidence that they are wrong…. this is a characteristic of stooopidity.

        Or maybe stooopidity is a characteristic of MORE-ONISM.

        Something like that….

        Oh and I forgot to mention re self organized systems… I was thinking about this while out on my bike… consider survival of the fittest… the top lion with all the hotties in his harem… did not decide ‘I’m gonna be top lion’…

        It’s the same with humans who end up in positions of authority… survival of the fittest FOR a specific role in the self organizing system.

        • JMS says:

          Perhaps the ultimate emblem of stupidity is the fear of being wrong, that is, the stuborn refusal to accept that one was wrong. This fear can only be overcome by people armed with curiosity, courage and love for truth, besides an IQ above 113. Four qualities so hard to find in a single person helas! that in order to find someone to talk to, we must call so distant places as Atlanta, NZ, Cambridge or Kyoto! Fortunately the Net is not paid by the mile. God bless It. For sure the No Net Day will come, and sooner than later, but not tomorrow morning, i’m confident. Reason enough to party tonight like it’s 2019 again!

          • Fast Eddy says:

            So True.

            I think it goes like this …

            When you know you are stooopid … you fear being exposed… so what you do is go along with all the other stoopid people because that keeps you safe…

            If you really are stooopid you don’t want to be a contrarian because you cannot handle being called stoooopid by the stooopid MOREONS…

            The thing is …

            Those who are not stooopid … don’t care what the Stoopid MOREONS think or say … because they know they are Stoopid MOREONS so why would anyone care what they think or say…

            They are generally always wrong cuz they are Stoopid MOREONS.

    • deimetri says:

      “…..where (almost) all the rich and powerful are collaborating?”

      We have a pretty well documented example of this occurring in the US with the creation of the (not) Federal (not a) Reserve. Some rich and powerful oligarchs collaborated and conspired to wrest control of US money creation away from the public and into their private control. I am sure this is not the only time…are they trying to save humanity by killing off 20-30%? Maybe..when it comes to the malice or greed motive, I would almost have more respect for malice…greed is just so shallow and base, I would despair for humanity…

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Anyone insisting that ‘rich and powerful people do not collaborate and conspire’

        Is clueless.

        The Ministry of Truth (which does exist) also conspires … they conspire to manipulate the barnyard animals .. control what they think… and ensure that they are shielded from a wide range of truths…

        Because if the animals were to be exposed to the truth — they’d lose their minds and the farm would implode.

    • MM says:

      Basically from duality it is very easy to generate or sell a crisis to the public.
      The normal idea would be that all men are equal.
      If you manage to instill something where people do no longer have a sense of we all but of us and them it is very easy to run them down the rabbit hole.

      There exists (at least) 2 Sections of it:
      ( CTG would say that we have a hierarchy fractal)

      A political arm which is Agenda 2030 by the UN making international laws based on a per country basis (our flag!)
      Klausi does not make laws!
      This 8 part series describes many of the ideological and thus political activities in that sphere:
      (site is a bit difficult to navigate, use topic English)

      A financial arm that basically resides in server farms that are redundant across many places in the world but can be got hold of.
      This is the idea called multipolar world order what is not much different from rules based order or one world order but sounds quite multi, eh?
      This article series should be 3 parts in the end, 2 are here:

      Whatever you see on a country basis does not match reality any more.
      But still, we have a UK crisis, a Germany crisis, a Sri Lanka crisis.
      This applies more to the idea of “how bad is my batch?” as in “regional” testing for the limits of the simulation…
      And with this simulation I mean the one we are herded in, not the one we might be in.

      • MM says:

        …can not be got hold of.

        • CTG says:

          In my simulation, it ru s in the background and all the “zombies” are the sims of the simulation. The people who are aware are the “recorders or events. Each one trying to see things differently with some seeing it as WEF, some as self-organizing system, some as conspiratorial type of setting and many other types of “blind man and elephant scenario”

          No one is right, No one is wrong. It depends on what your reality portrays to you.

  10. Fast Eddy says:

    The Pfizer Effect: Hundreds of Thousands of People are dying due to COVID Vaccination every week according to official Government data

    Waiting times for ambulances are at an all-time high. The number of emergency calls due to people suffering cardiac arrest is at an all-time high. The number of people dying is at an all-time high, with hundreds of thousands of excess deaths occurring around the world every week. And official Government reports prove without a shadow of a doubt that this is all a consequence of Covid-19 vaccination.


    Blood Bath

    norm’s luck is holding out…

  11. Shambala says:

    Nuclear energy is the most costly, unsustainable technology, and yet its massive cost overrun never accounts for long term costs of fuel rod disposal and decommissioning which are sloughed off to the unfortunate descendents of the idiots pushing this form of energy. The book “The Enemy Within” by Gould shows statistically that cancer clusters always form around NPPs. What on earth did people think those vent stacks were for? Putting radioactive gases into the neighborhood. Meanwhile the spent fuel sits above ground on site. And the DU from the centrifuges winds up on the battlefields where civilians pay in mutations and radiation sicknesses.

    The very first thing Tzeilard could think of immediately after splitting the atom was known was patenting a bomb. There would be so little Plutonium on earth if the idiots had not gone all in messing where they had no business going..but then they held the pursestrings, as the hand delivery of the Einstein Tzeilard letter to FDR by banker Sachs revealed.

    Rivers flow to the sea because sun gave us ocean, life, and a hydro cycle. So what did the hero American mountaineer conquerors of the mountains do, dumped their plutonium generator up on Nanda Devil to poison whatever lived downstream in the Valley of Flowers.

    All ionizing radiation is mutagenic without a lower threshold. We already had a tolerable natural level of mutation in cosmic rays but they were not the same beast as a melted down NPP just upwind of your neighborhood. NPPs are crude water boilers and were probably designed by moron technicians since they sited these abominations above ground.

  12. Student says:

    (Times of Israel)

    Novak Djokovic, tennis player who refused to be vaccinated with experimental mRNA jabs against Covid, and who was not allowed to go to the US Open because of that, has just won the Tel Aviv tourney in one of the countries that has promoted experimental mRNA jabs the most…


    • Bobby says:

      Self organising systems work in strange ways, ago the Universe works in strange ways. When an experiment or product doesn’t get the result predicted or intended, at what point is it no longer an experiment or a treatment? Cognitive dissonance comes to mind. It seems the Djokovic is on those who jabbed. If he won, no one’s keeping score anymore.

  13. Shambala says:

    The biggest elephant looming in the back of the room in a “freezing dark winter discussion” is depletion of the easily recruited, affordable energy slaves and depletion of acquifers, as this site has covered very well. But there is another beast lurking back there, sabotage, or malice toward humanity. People being cultured as their main evolutionary strategy, generally ascribe the sabotage phenomenon to “others’ malice” whereas anthropology describes cultural determinism or culling the herd as a recurring mass formation over-riding reason. There are histories of intelligent rationality in leaders (occasionally) and even their followers, but also the opposite when things go to musical chairs. Even cultures like Tikopia held up as shining examples of sustainability and longevity, practiced cultural determinism, sending useless eaters out on snipe hunts in vessels that would never return to their land. That can only happen with the assistance of mass formation.

    Another really obvious example of the people and their misleaders adapting paradoxical solutions is how people demand to repay debt with devalued currency, or inflation, (Shay’s Rebellion, e.g.) yet the hidden tax of inflation screws up their lives. This could technically be resolved if they issued their own currencies and became beneficiaries of the devaluation instead of slaves, but today, no nation anymore does it.

    One possible solution to freezing in winter would be to move toward the equator somewhere. Going underground in caves is another way. The Comanches made it through harsh plains’ winters in teepees with buffalo robes. Inuits used robes and ice block houses. In the tropics, in the modern era, solar PV power can be used for lighting and computers assuming one is not hit by an EMP and parts can be had. Then it becomes a question of whether the PV, wind, or microhydro small grid system runs off a global supply chain or homemade solar panels and inverters, which do not exist. The Dutch developed windmills that still stand, cranking out enough horsepower to pump volumes of water up hill. These of course consumed trees to build, and heating bricks consumed even more, although it was renewable energy given enough time.

    Only when FFs came into use did the pressure on forests for energy subside. A great insight into wood energy is in the book, “A Forest Journey”, which might be what awaits civilization after Peak Oil.

    We use PV microgrids here to run farm equipment cracking nuts from trees, a crop that does not have to be replanted every year. The trees do consume fertilizers because what goes into the nuts is not recycled onto the land. In nature the leaves and nuts fall then animals eat them and return the fertilizer, or you can eat the animals. Some soils are not suited to permaculture if the tree species comes from a foreign land and does not tolerate native soils without heavy amendments.

    There will be crises all over the place in near future due to sabotage of the fertilizer supply which most of us know has been intentional. Some say the reason it is occurring is to break all human faith in cargo cults and religiosity, to turn people into faithless criminals in a desperate struggle, making reason the least obvious option to problems. That way, cultural determinism will become the default setting.

    Trying to solve an organic problem like Peak Oil without mentioning the other beast in the back of the room, sabotage, is going to be a very difficult analysis leading nowhere. Those who disinform us of who is sabotaging and why are losing cred every time they open their mouths.

    You would be surprised at how tribulation can wake people up but it comes always a bit too late in the collapse sequence. First the problems are ignored. Then they are mentioned but no action is taken, or wrong actions are intentionally taken. Then right actions are finally thought up but by then the their time value is zero and it is too late.
    And out of that someone somewhere outside the herd mentality has made some preps and just gone under the radar and managed OK.

    Suerte, all.

  14. Fast Eddy says:

    Katie Couric diagnosed with breast cancer; Jimmy Buffett cancels tour; Post Malone in hospital with “stabbing pain”; “Milk” screenwriter Dustin Lance Black felled by “serious” head injury


    The blood bath continues… a long list ….

  15. Student says:

    According to Italian Energy Minister Roberto Cingolani the situation about gas in Italy is really quiet.
    He has just said today that we have reached 90% of our stock and we are even exporting gas at the moment…

    The situation is really wierd.

    Any comment ?


    • Fast Eddy says:

      We are in the matrix… it’s difficult to know what is real and what is not…

      • Tsubion says:

        All shall be revealed. It’s called Revelation for a reason.

        Are the “dead” not already walking the Earth?

        Have you not seen the zombies glued to their phones?

        Have you not tried to beat sense into the deaf, dumb and blind and witnessed the thousand mile stare?

        Is the Earth not poisoned and begging for “a cleanse.”

        It’s all happening.

  16. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    Who comes up with this poo poo…or what be dem smoking?

    New York to require all new car sales to be zero-emissions vehicles by 2035
    Zac Palmer
    Zac Palmer
    Fri, September 30, 2022 at 10:45 AM

    The state of New York is following in California’s footsteps with a zero-emissions vehicle law that will require all new vehicles sold in the state to be zero emissions by 2035.

    Gov. Kathy Hochul is implementing this rule via directive to the State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC). The DEC will then regulate these rules into effect — the directive is similar in nature to California’s stepped approach.

    By model year 2026, New York would require 35% of sales to be zero-emissions vehicles. By 2030, that figure jumps up to 68% of sales. And then finally in 2035, it switches over to 100% of vehicle sales needing to be of zero-emissions vehicles. These rules will apply to “all new sales of passenger cars, pickup trucks, and SUVs.”

    Looks as if a big segment of the people will be shuffling…

    Play this went you hit the sidewalk

    • If no new cars are built starting in 2035, this requirement is easily satisfied!

      • Dennis L. says:

        Interesting. If no cars are sold, no sales taxes collected, diminishing gas taxes collected; government is downsized secondary to decreased funding.

        Wonder if any of the elites have thought of this one.

        I think your idea of no or very few cars sold may be close to the truth in any case.

        Deflation/inflation. Fewer government workers means less office space required, deflationary to commercial real estate.

        Dennis L.

    • Ed says:

      Does this include buses, delivery trucks, school buses, fire trucks. Tesla will be busy.

  17. davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

    “Fast Eddy says:
    October 2, 2022 at 5:24 am
    I fear UEP has failed. A disaster is brewing.
    Is Plan B – the nukes?”

    wow Q4 has begun with a shocker.

    que sera sera.

    • Tsubion says:

      FE report – Nov 2022… I fear the nukes have failed. (not all they were cracked up to be… probaly fake tool of control and profit much like cov).

      A disaster is brewing.

      Is plan C… starvation?

      Oh no… not starvation. That’s never happened before.

      (why on Earth would the Elect give two hoots about the “how” of depopulation… ROF would be entertaining to abunch of lizardly psychos would it not?)

  18. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    Another on bites the DUST…too funny 🤣
    $1.5 Million Floating Home Prototype Sinks Into The Water Just As It’s Unveiled
    By Austin Harvey | Checked By Erik Hawkins
    Published September 30, 2022
    The SeaPod, builty by Panama-based technology company Ocean Builders, is meant to be a self-sustaining, eco-restorative home that floats above the waves.


    The SeaPod, developed by the ocean-innovation technology company Ocean Builders, was meant to be the first of many pieces of “revolutionary blue technology,” the company’s mission statement says, meant to make “the 72% of the world that is covered in water into an eco-sustainable paradise.”
    Per Luxurylaunches, the SeaPod was designed by Dutch architect Koen Olthuis and very much resembles a spaceship — stark white, all round edges, windows that look out over the vastness of the ocean.
    It uses more than 1,688 cubic feet of air-filled tubes to float roughly seven and a half feet above the waves. The part of the structure that sits beneath the water is designed to become a marine life ecosystem.
    The ultra-minimalist home has an 830-square-foot living space divided into three levels, featuring all of the home essentials including a bedroom, living room, kitchen, bathroom, and space for storage.

    ……company denied, however, that there was a “crash” and refuted claims that the prototype then sank into the ocean, contrary to early reports.
    In a statement to Autoevolution, a spokesperson for the company said, “Like all innovation and new technology, there is a likelihood of trial and error, and that provides an opportunity to learn, improve, and continue to innovate on ocean technology.”

    Remember back in the 1980s the BioDome built in the Southwest desert of USA..
    That worked out just like the above

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “The ultra-minimalist home…”

      someone seems to lack comprehension about what this phrase means.

    • Lastcall says:

      Safe and effective

      • Fast Eddy says:

        A wearable smart ring would enable residents to summon drones or automotive vehicles to deliver food.

        Eventually, the developers hope it could be entirely self-sufficient.

        “Our technology will allow civilization to move onto the sea and it will unlock the ocean as a new frontier with a quality of life that is unbeatable anywhere else,” the company said.

        I’m reaching for my baseball bat….

    • JesseJames says:

      A wearable smart ring would enable residents to summon drones or automotive vehicles to deliver food.

      Eventually, the developers hope it could be entirely self-sufficient.


    • Tsubion says:


  19. Slowly at first says:

    Without electricity, I cannot listen to music.

    • JEREMY says:

      Then MAKE music 🙂

    • you could make a bone flute

      which is how it all started

      • Hubbs says:

        I notice you didn’t mention drums. I have two acousitc kits so I can make noise without electricity, but the reality of drums is that they are really dependent on having other accompanying instruments to give it relevance, like the beach depends on having an ocean.

        It is a strange dependant relationship. Think of drums being the ocean. If you are cast adrift far from shore you are in trouble. But when you are on a nice sandy beach, suddenly the ocean means a whole lot more. Just ask Obama and Zuckerberg. Drums can really add to the the rest of the instruments and music, just as the ocean adds everything to the allure of the beach.
        Maybe it’s that instinctive connection that the ocean is where we evolved from. The salinity of our blood is essentially the same as the ocean.

    • Lidia17 says:

      We just picked up a spinet piano at a yard sale. $50. Came with two armfuls of music books including beginner lessons.

  20. Michael Le Merchant says:

    As the Fertilizer Crisis Bites, Farmers Take Drastic Steps

    Ditching oilseed crops for peas, preparing to cut herds and splashing out on tractor gadgets. That’s what European farmers are doing to try to cope with a worsening fertilizer crisis.

    The lengths they’re going to in order to apply less of the nutrients vital for growing staples like wheat and rapeseed highlights the continued threat the crunch poses to food output. Many of Europe’s fertilizer plants have closed as Russia’s war in Ukraine squeezes supplies of gas that nitrogen fertilizer is derived from.

    Some farmers secured fertilizer for this year’s harvest before prices soared, but now face much bigger bills as they start planting for next year’s crop. Plus, high energy costs are making it more expensive to run tractors and dry grain, risking more food inflation.

    “It’s impossible to plan,” said Adam Nowak, a farmer south of Warsaw in Poland.

    Here’s how farmers are trying to cope:

    Different Crops

    The European Union’s grain output shrank 9% this year as a drought ravaged corn fields. While it’s too early to know how plantings for next year’s harvest will fare, farmers will likely shift some land to crops that need less fertilizer, Strategie Grains analyst Vincent Braak said.

    One example is Poland’s Nowak, who’s shunning rapeseed that typically covers a third of his farm and opting for less-intensive legumes, like peas. Farmers in the UK and Finland also said they’re sowing more legumes.

    Less Bread, More Fodder

    European wheat and barley is mainly sown in autumn and needs most fertilizer in spring to meet requirements for use in bread and beer. If farmers don’t have enough nutrients or grain prices are too low to justify the cost, they may raise the crops at a lower quality for animal feed.

    “Do we just put fertilizer on the best crops and leave the rest with less?” said Max Schulman, a farmer in Finland. “It will be much harder to predict which way the European crop will go.”

    • drb753 says:

      They will have to adapt. Around here at least some grain dryers run on wood. They could run on wood chips in Poland. And people will have to develop a taste for millet.

      • Lidia17 says:

        They used to just stand the sheaves up in the fields. They could go back to that.

        • drb753 says:

          Where the season is short, like here, 57N, you have no choice but to dry in a dryer. your method works well, possibly up to the US border with Canada.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Next year’s crop? I thought this year was meant to be a disaster…

      It’s harvest time right? Is there a disaster?

      Fool me once…

      • CTG says:

        What happened to all the Dutch farmers (and later many European farmers) that raced their tractors around like nobody’s business and wasting diesel? What happened to the protests? Is is like Sri Lanka and where suddenly everything disappears into the black hole of Matrix? No more newsfeed from The Matrix?

        • Tsubion says:

          There will be a Mandela Effect diagnosis of recent events one day. People will try in earnest to figure out if any of it really happened at all and not be able to reach a conclusion. Then time will fold in on itself and go plop!

        • Fast Eddy says:

          It’s as if they think up stuff to keep the zombies entertained and enervated.

          As we know the CIA will often send in agitators – as does the FBI… we saw this at the Capitol ‘riots’… there is video evidence…

          The same could have been done with the farmers… then you get the social media people to drive the algos so this trends… the farmers go round and round … the telegram groups rejoice… as do SSers… they accomplish absolutely nothing .. but it makes the zombies feel good.

          Notice how they like to use big machines – first the truckers in Ottawa and then the tractors in Europe…. don’t mess with the men in their big machines! Great symbolism… big machines driving round and round piloted by castrated zombies…

          Notice how the big machines never busted up the cities… nope… the zombies just drove them round and round and round burning diesel….

          And then suddenly. They stopped. What exactly was the point of that?

          • Lidia17 says:

            In one of these Corbett things I was listening to, they likened it to a cat toy: have the cat chase the laser pointer while you are lining up something else in the background.

      • those crisis actors fool you all the time eddy

  21. what we now see is the end of the Balance of Power shit.

    UK’s policy of dividing Europe for centuries is paying a wonderful dividend as the Third World finishes encroaching the Advanced World.

    It is the consumption of the Third World which has led to this energy crisis.

    A united Europe, controlling the entire world except maybe North America, extracting the earth’s resources for next to nothing and advancing civilization, would have made mankind avoid the bottleneck.

    But now the Third World is about to overcome everything and about to devour the Advanced World, and when that happens it is over for civilization.

    We can all thank the UK foreign policy which enabled every people to be able to have their stupid tinpot country, build infrastructure and provide a higher standard of living which proved to be not a good idea in the end. What good Russia did to the humanity, other than providing three major authors who are basically the only good things the Russian people ever did?

    Again, the world would have been a much more advanced place if WIllem III’s ship sank in the English channel in 1688 The British tradition proved to be the greatest disaster for humanity aggregately…

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      History is what it is and there is no point crying about it. The chances of the British Empire ‘sharing’ its global hegemony with the rest of Europe was absolutely zero. Indeed, Britain attained its global power by defeating other European powers, France and Spain in particular. Germany was not really a thing until the 20c.

      History does not undergo its development in your imagination, it happens in the real world and according to its own developmental principles. So what you are really wishing for is an alternative cosmos in which history unfolded differently.

      But there is no reason to suppose that Europeans would have existed in the first place in a cosmos in which human history unfolded on different developmental principles. Humans would have to be different to have acted differently to how they did. So, you are wishing after a cosmos that is imaginary and likely logically incoherent to boot.

      The world is what it is, humans are what they are, and history is what it is. Anything beyond that is imaginary.

      Also, it is difficult to imagine that the Christian missionary societies would have tolerated your vision of imperialism, and they were quite influential both with states and with public opinion. They would have to have been absent in your alternative history and Europe likely never Christianised in the first place.

      An outcome to history so radically different on the macro level as you imagine would require massive changes to history going way back into the past. It is very much an alternative cosmos that you postulate. History is what it is, and it is probably wise to ‘get over’ that.

      • Oddys. says:

        One of your better posts. Thanks.

      • empires grow and expand until their energy bases collapses

        then they contract and another empire fills the void

        any history book will confirm that

        the actual form of the empire is irrelevant.

        The USA is an empire. It expanded for 200 years, (across the continental landmass) now its energy base is exhausted. So it will collapse. Oilwars represent its death throes.

        nothing complicated about it.
        The American people cannot accept that concept

    • Lidia17 says:

      kulm, I don’t think you get the apparent fact that more technology = more energy consumption. There isn’t some magic threshold one crosses by which one goes from low-tech to high-tech and ends up using less energy on the other side, that I can see.

      • Tsubion says:

        There is SO much energy though…

        We just need to figure a few things out is all.

        The current plan is a little obvious and boring IMO but workable for a while until things pick up.

        Population reduction, top down control of all activity (out of necessity), serfs instead of middle class (accept the deal of leave the planet), only essential requirtements catered for, digital ID trusted citizen network (not even necessay IMO – serfs will be clamoring for bread and purpose – forget circuses).

        At least it’s a plan.

  22. Ravi Uppal says:

    A copy/paste from TAE comments section .

    One might have hoped that the message would get through after nearly two decades. But no. The word ‘produce’ is still attached to the word energy, even though energy only ever changes form to another (other than is the very unusual circumstances of nuclear reactions, in which matter is converted to energy according to that famous equation E=Mc2 which most people have no idea of the meaning).

    And when it comes to oil, we see that same nonsense about nations ‘producing’ oil.

    No country produces oil: geochemical forces acting over millions of years produced the oil that is found in ‘reserves’. What humans do is extract oil.

    And that is where the above graphic is so misleading, because it does not indicate how the oil is extracted.

    We should note that US conventional oil extraction peaked over 1970-71. Extraction from Alaska temporarily offset the decline in the late-80s to 90s. But by the early 2000s US extraction was down to around 10 million barrels a day, and declining, whilst consumption was around 20 million barrels a day. Hence the numerous oil wars.

    So what is the 18.61 million barrels a day quoted?

    Well, if you take 9.6 million from the 18.6 million you have around 9 million barrels of fake oil.

    That fake oil consists of condensates extracted from gas wells, plus various glugs imported from Canada but called ‘production’ because refined oil is exported to Canada to dilute the glug and make it pumpable so it can be imported back into the US, so it can then be refined or re-exported, plus whatever can be extracted from short-lived fracking wells. And when we say short-lived, we mean wells with an average life of 3 years start to finish, i.e. kaput.

    Saudi is forcing extraction by pumping sea water into wells.

    Canada burns a stupendous amount of natural gas to extract oil from tar sands.

    A while ago Zero Hedge had an interesting report on ‘Who has the most oil reserves’: it turned out to be Venezuela.

    The only problem is, all the easy-to-extract oil was extracted decades ago, and what is left is nigh-on-impossible-to-extract kerogen in very awkward locations and requiring a monumental effort and a massive amount of energy to extract. Hence, it remains unextracted.

    You can tell any story you like by clever use of words and juggling with numbers. Politicians, bankers and economists do it all the time.

    One would hope that oil geologists do not fake the numbers. But we do know that commercial oil extractors and retailers do.

    There is the famous story of how OPEC oil sale quotas were determined on the basis of reserves. So, the ‘reserves’ of numerous OPEC nations suddenly doubled overnight!

    It’s a fake world when it comes to politics and commerce and energy. Ask Dr Colin Campbell, retired oil geologist.

    • seems you ‘get it’ Ravi, congratulations.

      a medal is on its way

      • Xabier says:

        You can be proud, Ravi.

        Norman Pagett – wordsmith and sage of the OAP coffee mornings at the local garden centre, and fascinating raconteur at the bar of the Old Lame Duck’ pub – has given you a silver, maybe even a gold star, for your grasp of the situation.

        An honour indeed!

        He thinks less well of the rest of us, in the remedial class of OFW. The shame we feel is almost unbearable……

        • no need for that Xabier

          until you pointed it out—I had no idea I was in line of succession to King Herod

          i have duly registered my claim to the throne

          • Xabier says:

            ‘LOL’ over the deaths and maiming of children to your grave, nasty old fool.

            They said the gods take those they love young: we know what to conclude about you.

            • the gods must hate me

              i’ve been around for too long.

              don’t take life so seriously Xabier—i always have a grin on my face when responding to your invective.

              it’s worth nothing more.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Nasty norm – the old fool hahaha

            • Xabier says:

              I must be very odd, then, as I happen to take the secret murder of innocent people seriously – unlike you, Norman.

              But I do not wish you ill.

              On the contrary, I wish you a long life: so very long that, in the words of the classic Irish malediction, you live to see the deaths of your children, your grandchildren, and your great-grandchildren, and pronounce – as is your wont – a light-hearted ‘LOL’ over their graves.

              So, dear old Norman, good health to you, and many more non-fatal injections!

            • ive had a long life–
              so far without serious help from doctors

              i was due a booster on friday, but apparently there was a ‘death line up’ around the block–so i didnt bother….guess ill live a day or two longer.

              i can find nothing but hilarity in ‘the secret murder of children’—nobody, but nobody is plotting mass executions of our firstborn.

              but dont let me dilute your delusions

            • Fast Eddy says:

              ‘nasty old fool’

              With a nasty lover … this is Super Snatch when she was young… she was able to turn more tricks and make more $$$ so was puffing a lot of meth at the time … as you can see she was not always obese.


            • still obsessing eddy?

              not ‘scored’ lately? (your word–not mine)

              i guess we must indulge your fantasies, as that is all you have.

              i always prefer you mithering on OFW–then you’re not being a pest anywhere else

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              “Death sucks and there is really no need to rub it in.” – Caroline Forbes to Klaus Mikaelson

          • Fast Eddy says:

            So many useless comments today norm … I’d do a mass delete but I don’t want to miss one of your howlers or another Xabier insult hahaha

            • of course eddy, howlers are so much fun aren’t they?

              you can certainly take your queue from Xabier in that respect. He has often lead you in the right direction there.

              What a wonderful double act.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              But norm… you are the butt of all jokes on OFW …. it’s not just Fast Eddy and Xabier laughing at you … (not with you .. at you… )

    • JesseJames says:

      I recently “overheard a guy talking to a friend at a bar”. He worked Saudi Aramco in some position. He said that Saudi could produce oil for “100s of years”. But here is one takeaway. There is some formation that is a couple of hundred miles long, essentially an old seabed or something…that contains oil. As opposed to western practices of getting the oil out fast, ie maintaining high pressure, even if injecting water destroys the well over time, the Saudis have built horizontal drilled wells, and then inject water down below them at low pressure, thus protecting the well, causing a “slow” production all along the length of the well, which cumulatively adds up to a lot of oil over the length. The key takeaway is the well is not destroyed by pumping too fast.

      Yes, they pump water, but down below and at lower pressure. My inquiring mind thinks…horizontal drilling did not debut until recent oil history I think, so I wonder if this is a last ditch effort to keep the fields flowing? Or is it a sign that Saudi is still rich in reserves and can produce this way for many years to come. I think the guy I overheard was probably saying only what he could and is allowed to say. I mean, every company makes you sign non-disclosure agreements. In the oil world, this is even more important with it geo-political implications. Surely he would not, could not say the Saudi fields are almost kaput, even if they were?

      • it isn’t production of oil that’s the problem

        it’s finding ways to use it that’s the problem

        ie turning it into goods cheap enough for everyone to buy

        • reante says:

          that’s a peak oil platitude that comes from resting one one’s laurels.

          the average EROEI of plays, globally, is too low for present circumstances, all things considered.

          …which means that the production of the oil is in fact the problem after all, Norm.

          • i dont think it is reante.

            the price of 1 barrel of oil, at today’s level i think $98. But it has no ‘value’

            oil doesn’t acquire ‘value’ until it is converted into other products–which means the millions of other products we use on a day to day basis. (you name it).

            once those ‘products’ exist, the urgency is there for us to consume them as fast as possible, to pay for the production of more of the same.

            We cannot consume them unless we have wages.

            But wages are derived only from the surpluses of oil in the first place. If there is insufficient surplus–eg from the fracking plays, ( as you point out) then sufficient (surplus) wages cannot be produced.
            Meaning that the products of oil become too expensive to use.

            So no matter how much oil is produced, if there’s insufficient wages to buy the products of it, our (oil powered) economic system collapses. Gradually, we will fall back onto non-oil powered economic system.

            It has nothing to do with ‘peak oil.’

            • To me, the problem reaches a turning point when per capita energy supply stops rising. (This is a different turning point than peak oil.) With growing complexity, and with diminishing returns throughout the economy, we seem to require an increasing quantity of energy per capita to keep up. Oil per capita (as opposed to total energy) is a bit more flexible; it only has to stay flat to keep the economy from collapsing, since some oil uses can be transferred to other types of fuels. But neither of these things is happening now. Both the energy and oil turning points were hit in 2018. The system is no longer able to keep up.

              To me, surplus energy is equivalent to being able to continuously sell the energy product at a high enough price, so that the profits can be taxed, and the remainder turned over to support the needs to the rest of the economy. We seem to have passed this point on much of today’s energy. Wind and solar are losers on this basis.

            • i think thats more or less what i tried to say–albeit in a different way

              we must constantly produce more next year to cover this year’s extraction cost and accrued debt

            • reante says:

              “we must constantly produce more next year to cover this year’s extraction cost and accrued debt”

              which means that the production of the oil is in fact the problem after all, Norm. 🙂

            • taken in that sense, yes, but we still have to find buyers for all the oil-stuff

              the buyers will run out before the oil does, is the meaning of what i was trying to put across.

              there are no definitive hard lines in this

            • reante says:

              “the buyers will run out before the oil does, is the meaning of what i was trying to put across.”

              I understand that. And it’s a platitude because it doesn’t actually mean anything. It’s like saying the chicken came before the egg for whatever reason. It doesn’t mean anything.

              Scarcity of both affordable oil and the money with which to buy unaffordable oil (due SOLELY to insufficient average EROEI) are one and the same problem. The reason the buyers are running out is because almost all of the cheap and easy stuff is gone, obviously. That and the sheer profligacy of bourgeoisie, and the truly pathetic wealth hoarding by the rich.

        • banned says:

          Saudi has one of the highest EROI of any oil producer. That equals affordable products made from the oil or using energy to create them.

          So if Saudi stops producing it wont effect the affordability of products that use it as a base material or energy used to create them? Not.

          Yes as easy to extract resources deplete the lower EROI resources left create affordability problems. Saudi is a prime high EROI resource. Its depletion is probably the largest single factor that exists in terms of affordability. To say it doesnt matter would be ignorant and I dont believe your ignorant so this is just more we all gonna die its not their fault albeit with a reasoning process thats more flawed than your usual fare. New orders from HuffPo central?

          • EROEI is unfortunately not all that important, despite what some folks would like to think. It looks at a small part of the problem, and tries to declare that if it is OK, everything is OK. Sort of like a doctor looking at your little toe, and declaring that based on his/her examination of it, your whole body is OK. Not really!

            EROEI tries to measure how efficiently current oil extraction is proceeding. It is really a backward looking measure. It says nothing about how current oil production is functioning within the overall system, and the overall system’s need for growth.

            The economy is in the process of collapsing because population has risen faster than resource extraction of many kinds has risen: oil, fresh water and copper for example. In addition, we are in the midst of a need to feed more and more people, per acre of arable land, necessitating the use of more fertilizer and more irrigation. Governments need increasing tax revenue. The economy needs increasing supplies of oil (and coal and natural gas) to keep the system going. In fact, supplies of these things probably need to be rising faster than population, to keep up with the many kinds of diminishing returns that we keep hitting. There are also pollution problems that we need to keep trying to fix as well.

            What is needed is the overall cost of future barrels of oil, that need to be added, to keep the system going. Part of this cost is the front end development cost of new fields. Such development isn’t even being done, most places, because there are no suitable places to drill at reasonable cost. Also, citizens cannot afford to pay the full high price for oil, if the full cost of development were included.

            This new development needed to start coming on years ago. It hasn’t, however, and we are already in big trouble. Peak oil consumption per capita seems to have occurred in 2018; peak total energy consumption per capita seems to have occurred the same year. Wind and solar are band aids that don’t really provide much assistance.

            • banned says:

              Gail I know you disagree with EROI in some of the ways it has been used from my understanding basically how it has included some things in the calculations not others. Excluding those other things- like the energy it takes to maintain Saudi culture- wouldnt you agree that a high EROI at point of extraction is beneficial to affordability? I know you dont care for Charles Halls work but i thought it was very interesting how he demonstrated that every organism including biological ones needs energy surpluses and one of the ways that is measured is EROI. The energy it takes to extract the energy is only the first part of energies cost in energy but IMO oil extraction with high EROI is far more likely to be able to provide affordable energy than other extraction points with low EROI. Thus Saudi oil extraction is very important. Do you disagree?

              To say oil production isnt important is ridiculous IMO and I suspect its a dialogue created to try to justify a soon to be freezing Europe as its the only reason for the argument to be occurring now. One of the things I like about your blog is your objectivity but some of the premises that are fundamental to it can be used by people not concerned with objectivity at all- to manipulate. Its true that we are in a terrible position as a society and a species that doesnt mean there are not actions that work for the common good and against it.
              Those actions need to be evaluated particularly because peoples lives depend on energy and when decisions are made that radically reduce energy consumption for a entire continent I see arguments that anything other than that decision being responsible as being political in nature and deceitful.

              Frankly I dont think Norman gives a rats ass about energy. Beginning to end I think he associated with this group of thinkers because it matched political ends not because he values science or objectivity. Au contraire Norman sees things in themes that are either correct to his political beliefs or incorrect and he saw and sees a theme that is useful here to manipulate. His “book” is nothing more than a rehash of concepts you developed and innovated. There is a reason why people have responded to Norman inappropriately he is a game player and hides behind rules as he puts forth untruths. It is your blog you call the shots if you want me to stop bringing attention to what seems rather clear manipulation of the blogs objectivity for political purposes and untruths by Norman I certainly will.

            • gpdawson2016 says:

              EROI has value a sort of IQ test for energy awareness. To understand feedback loops is beyond the ability of most people and getting a grasp of EROI is the start of learning in this field(OFW field).

            • EROI is valuable to teaching basic issues of diminishing returns and depletion. It also gives a benchmark for comparing one oil well to another well.

              There are lots of problems that arise. One that is a particular problem is that the calculations for intermittent renewables are in no way equivalent to those for fossil fuels. They greatly overstate the benefits of intermittent renewables. It lets people think that wind and solar can save the world, when there is no way that they can.

          • ive already answered your question. In detail

            When my flaws are commented upon, I always ask what they are, (relative to the point being made of course)

            I know about all the rest.

        • Oddys says:


      • banned says:

        Saudi oil field depletion is really the 64 trillion dollar question.

        Saudi tried to sell off aramco shares and they couldnt get nothing. The dividend paid for the purchase price in three years. Usually you see dividend to purchase price ratios like that on assets that will soon be financially insolvent and divided up in court. Based on that exclusively and the belief that both the saudis and the wall street wizards know how much oil is left or at least a educated guess, the saudis dont have five years left of oil let alone 100. Of course no one knows but guys who make their living on such things valued aramco as a near term risky asset. Saudi has debt. If wall street thought there was a good five years left without risk they would have paid a ton more for that juicy dividend. The shares for free after three years of the price parked was the best offer. The other question that is relevant; If the Saudis oil field is not quite near depletion why are they trying to sell Aramaco off? Generally pricing by the wise guys is usually a good indicator. Unfortunately I would guess that the guy in the bar was touting an aramco line. Oil fields deplete. Wall street said soon. You cant trust a word they say but you can trust where they put their bets if its transparent. A hundred more years of Saudi production would make me very happy. With current events I am a bit doubtful. They are pulling the plug now.

        • no more gold plated toilets or Mercs???

          100 years ago they didn’t know what toilets or Mercs. were

          however will they manage?

        • banned

          your crit of my book is duly received–i learn from everybody

          but influenced by very few.

          Yes, i plagiarised a lot from Gail—you’ll find i stole hundreds of ifs, ands and buts and lots of full stops and commas too. I’ve used them shamelessly throughout my work, Ive done that for years. I thought ‘creative commons’ allowed me to do that.

          Ive got a large bookshelf full of works by authors of the same genre–I’ve poached the same words from them too.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Funny that you’re the only one who doesn’t agree that you plagiarize OFW articles.

            Too bad the book doesn’t sell much – otherwise Gail could sue hahaha

            • lol eddy–if you say so

              when have you ever told less than the truth?

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Others say so as well. The same old tired stories over and over and over…

              We give you the opportunity to discuss something new – but you refuse to engage.

              Because you can’t – you need someone to feed you your lines…

              Like biden hahahaha

          • banned says:

            Well who knows Norman. Maybe its my problem. When someone bugs someone else often the problem can be with either the bugee or the bugger. No pun intended.

            Im afraid however that there is no doubt that your motives and the techniques you use here are not honest attempts to try to find the elusive thing we call truth. None of us are of course completely unbiased and open to all possibilities. Let thee who cast the first stone…

            • Fast Eddy says:

              norm prefers to be referred to as The Buggerer… he likes to eat bugs or maybe he sells bugs from a cart.. or something like that

        • JesseJames says:

          Banned, I have to agree with you on the financial sale of Aramco stock. I also heard at the bar…the other guy ask the Aramco guy why they sold the Aramco stock if they had oil for hundreds of years. The other guy said it was due to the price of oil dropping to record lows.

          Now, this might resonate as a quick quip, but when you think about it, the Saudis have been investing trillions for who knows how long. They had plenty of resources to fall back on…well, I surmise, the King and his cronies had all those investments…but why would the King, who is technically the owner of Aramco…watch his most prized possession sold off for pennies…Add in that Aramco had to scramble and borrow money to pay their last dividend!

          This financial sale is the canary I think…
          Something does not add up.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            There investments go to zero when Aramco fails. Cuz everything does

          • Withnail says:

            Saudi Arabia is buying fuel oil from Russia to put in power stations. I wonder if these power stations are being used in the oil industry. Maybe it takes much more energy to extract oil there now.

            • It is my understanding that the power stations are particularly for supplying electricity to their large populations. Such electricity is especially needed for air conditioning in summer. As such, I expect their needed imports may fall in winter.

              Natural gas is pretty much always available for extraction with oil. It is easy to burn this natural gas for electricity. I would expect that this is what is being used to support the oil industry, as in the past.

  23. Fast Eddy says:

    I fear UEP has failed. A disaster is brewing.

    Is Plan B – the nukes? Where is my C-Fent? I hate cutting things so close… but I suppose they’ll not be too early on that one … no need to cause undo anxiety … honey what’s the jug of coloured pills that came in the post? — did you order some candy? I dunno … let’s watch CNN to find out because I heard everyone got this

    Nitty Gritty Time! The Nightmare is almost over…

    Doomies – time to get some final preps in? Stock up for the bad guys?


    • CTG says:

      OK… let me see….

      Vatican asking money to be returned to their own banks before 30th Sept. Credit Suisse having problems (CEO came out to say they are financially sound, that means the opposite happened), Deutsche Bank has a lot of energy derivative exposure, UK having a unsolvable issues, interest derivatives having a lot of issues, pension funds in USA and EU having issues (contagion from UK), Chinese have their internal issues, Japan has their bond market problem, Australia’s CB has a lot of bond losses,

      On top of that, no electricity and gas for EU this winter, people will freeze to death and they will not be paying loans; industries decimated and dead companies and people don’t pay back bank loans. No way Europe can get past this winter unless it is disintegrated.

      UKR may attack the 4 new oblasts and a similar response from Russia may be forth coming..

      What else did I miss?

      Oh yes I nearly forgot the hottest thing that happened 2 years ago – the people dying from vaccine side effect will be fantastic this winter

      Please have your pop corn ready. You may need some welding glasses (black ones) and may be SPF 1,000,000 cream just in case mushroom clouds are spotted.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        All the pieces are in place now.

        This f789er is gonna blow.

        Doomie Preppers – maybe you have time to purchase sheets of lead … you could line the walls floor and ceiling of your pantry and put a bed in there… and spend the next 20 years eating cold beans and waiting to die… oh but hang on — what will you drink and breath?

        Japan’s chief cabinet secretary called it “the devil’s scenario.” Two weeks after the 11 March 2011 earthquake and tsunami devastated the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, causing three nuclear reactors to melt down and release radioactive plumes, officials were bracing for even worse. They feared that spent fuel stored in pools in the reactor halls would catch fire and send radioactive smoke across a much wider swath of eastern Japan, including Tokyo.

        The Chernobyl accident was relatively minor, involved no spent fuel ponds, and was controlled by pouring cement onto the reactor. This was breaking down so a few years back they re-entombed.

        Estimates of the cancer burden in Europe from radioactive fallout from the Chernobyl accident


  24. Fast Eddy says:

    Is Credit Suisse about to be the new Lehman Brothers?
    Something is brewing in the financial world


    • Without enough cheap energy, perhaps fluoridation of water will go away, by itself.

    • Lastcall says:

      People are as dumb as feck about Flouride as they are with the dog sh#t injections.
      Been there, tried to submit against it at council hearings. No chance.

      Here in my town when we changed from rat poison (Sodium Flourid) to Cheena poison (Hydrofluorosilcic Acid) the plumbers had a field day replacing old hot water cylinders; the chemical reaction with the metal components caused a valve failure.
      The council said it was due to pressure change but none of the supply tanks had walked up the hill further as far as I could tell.

      ‘Hydrofluorosilcic Acid is the toxic chemical that is added to the public water supply for fluoridation. According to Point 12 of the safety data sheet under Ecological Information it states: Ecotoxicity- Avoid contaminating waterways. In recent years tens of millions of dollars have been spent to shore up the environmental impact caused by farms and inhabitants adjacent to the internationally famous lake.’
      ‘Reacts exothermically on dilution with water. Corrosive to metals. Reacts violently with bases, and organic chemicals.’

      Zombies everywhere, Trust the science, We are the Truth, Full faith… etc

  25. Jan says:

    Following Danmark and Great Britain (and partly the USA?) Sweden stops vaccinations for adolescents.

    Den allmänna rekommendationen till grundfriska barn i åldrarna 12–17 år om att vaccinera sig mot covid-19 upphör efter den 31 oktober. Anledningen är den mycket låga risken för allvarlig sjukdom och död i covid-19 hos barn och unga. Fortsättningsvis är det barn i särskilda grupper som rekommenderas vaccination mot covid-19.

    The general recommendation to basically healthy children aged 12-17 to get vaccinated against covid-19 will end after October 31. The reason is the very low risk of serious illness and death in covid-19 in children and adolescents. From now on, it is children in special groups who are recommended vaccination against covid-19.


    In Austria there is social pressure to inject starting at five!


  26. Fast Eddy says:

    Cold and damp in Berlin … https://www.bbc.com/weather/2950159

    The debate is happening now – heat – or food.

    Of course food prices are insane as well…

  27. Fast Eddy says:

    Another COVID-19 lockdown, another angry confrontation. This time it was on the streets of Shenzhen, China’s high-tech hub, where videos this week showed an angry crowd facing off against police officers wearing protective medical gear, including blue gowns, masks and plastic visors. “Lift the lockdown,” the protesters yelled, pushing against hastily erected barricades. Some threw plastic bottles at the police. In one clip, a woman can be heard shouting, “The police are hitting people”.

    The protest, one of several reported in the city, followed an order for residents of three districts to stay at home after just ten infections were detected. Subway stations were closed, and affected areas cordoned off. The city of 18 million people, which is located next to Hong Kong, has faced a series of lockdowns this month. Covid outbreaks have been reported in more than 100 cities since early September.

    The authorities have stepped up their ruthless and often chaotic restrictions ahead of a key meeting of the Chinese Communist Party next month, at which Xi Jinping is expected to be anointed as party boss for an unprecedented third term. ‘Defeating’ the virus has become central to the cult of Xi, for whom it is a measure of the CCP’s superiority over bungling western democracies. Party propaganda has gone into overdrive ahead of the congress. The Chinese people have faced a barrage of slogans relayed online, as well as on television and by loudspeaker, urging them to “Extinguish every outbreak!” and telling them that “History will remember those who contributed”.


    hahahahah… great! Stay Safe Cheena!

  28. Fast Eddy says:

    Brace for Panic: Autumn Covid Wave Gets Underway as Covid Hospital Patients Jump 48% in a Week


    Well that’s bizarre… I thought the injections (of Dog Shit) were supposed to prevent an outcome like this….

    Hint – it will get worse 🙂

    • The abstract of the report starts out:

      The current report presents the case of a 76-year-old man with Parkinson’s disease (PD) who died three weeks after receiving his third COVID-19 vaccination. The patient was first vaccinated in May 2021 with the ChAdOx1 nCov-19 vector vaccine, followed by two doses of the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine in July and December 2021. The family of the deceased requested an autopsy due to ambiguous clinical signs before death. PD was confirmed by post-mortem examinations. Furthermore, signs of aspiration pneumonia and systemic arteriosclerosis were evident. However, histopathological analyses of the brain uncovered previously unsuspected findings, including acute vasculitis (predominantly lymphocytic) as well as multifocal necrotizing encephalitis of unknown etiology with pronounced inflammation including glial and lymphocytic reaction. In the heart, signs of chronic cardiomyopathy as well as mild acute lympho-histiocytic myocarditis and vasculitis were present.

      The patient had been vaccinated, but hadn’t caught COVID.

  29. MG says:

    Electricity war in the EU:


    “The Prime Minister repeated that the measures taken by the EU ministers to deal with high energy prices are not sufficient, as Slovakia will not benefit from this aid. “I had to tell all European countries that if there is no help from Brussels, we will have to keep the electricity in Slovakia,” he pointed out. According to him, the revenues from the extraordinary taxation of the profits of energy companies will mainly end up in Germany.

    Slovakia can agree on a voluntary redistribution of revenues from extraordinary taxation. “That’s why I called the German chancellor and made it clear that there are two options. Either they will be able to tax companies on their market and send us excessive profit, or else we will not be able to send them our electricity,” the Prime Minister pointed out in the show.”

  30. Fast Eddy says:

    JUST IN – mRNA spike protein detected in the brain and heart in deceased man, a case report published in the top journal “Vaccines” shows.
    “The findings corroborate previous reports of encephalitis and myocarditis caused by gene-based COVID-19 vaccines.”


    • Jan says:

      They have found “inflammation of the brain”, encephalitis and even necrosis. It this happens gradually to the injected it would explain behavioral changes. It might be a statistical risk as where the spike protein is expressed. There might also be gradual differences as the batches seem to differ a lot.

      People here say ” acting strange” after vaccination is normal.


  31. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    He was such a good Lad too…
    Guardsman from Queen Elizabeth II’s Funeral Found Dead at Army Barracks in London
    Brenton Blanchet People Magazine
    Sat, October 1, 2022 at 2:46 PM

    An 18-year-old guardsman who walked with Queen Elizabeth II’s coffin during her funeral just two weeks ago was found unresponsive Wednesday at army barracks in London.

    Jack Burnell-Williams served with the Household Cavalry, having walked with the Queen’s coffin from Westminster Abbey to Wellington Arch, before he was found dead at Hyde Park Barracks in Knightsbridge just before 4 p.m. local time on Wednesday, per The Guardian.

    “It is with sadness that we can confirm the death of Trooper Jack Burnell-Williams on 28 September 2022 at Hyde Park Barracks,” an army spokesperson told the publication. “Our thoughts are with the soldier’s family and friends at this difficult time and we ask that their privacy is respected.”

    Betcha he was fully vaccinated …

    • Xabier says:

      They get the pick of recruits, so, yes, he probably was a good lad. RIP.

      Now let’s lighten the mood with a bawdy story about the Household Cavalry., from an ex-army friend. At the End of the World, what should we do but tell stories?

      The wife of an officer used to take one of the regimental chargers out for a ride around Hyde Park, as was traditional a perk of the job.

      On her return, she’d disrobe and recline in a stall with the encouraging words:

      ‘I’m all yours lads, let me have it!’

      And so the gallant troopers, who understood that one should never disappoint a lady, inspected the officer’s wife in their own way…..

      Pretty typical behaviour among ‘horsey’ people, my own great-grandfather was a bit of a devil himself in that respect.

      Beautiful mild September day here in England: carpe diem everyone, our time is short!

      • thats not much of a story

        eddy would have added much more detail, with the sort of imagination he’s blessed with

      • CTG says:

        Carpe Diem Xabier… honestly I see no way out for UK…

        Unless like Sri Lanka in the simulation.. always 1 day of oil left l but never collapses.

        • Xabier says:

          And the spooky thing, CTG, is that everything seems normal and the herd is calm.

          Pensions almost collapsed, it was fully publicised in the MSM, and yet no one is stockpiling, as far as I can see when shopping.

          The middle class today were strolling about in the autumn sun with their usual air of complacent assurance.

          Pensions, savings at risk, impending food and energy crisis? Surely an illusion generated by OFW with no basis in reality!

          • Fast Eddy says:

            They believe the government will fix it… just like in 2008.

            Of course they are clueless.. nobody fixed nuthing in 2008… they just did more of the same … just a lot more… and now the can is rattling against the wall.

            They can try kicking harder … but they’ll only snub their toes… if they kick it through the wall there’s a 1000 foot cliff behind the wall

            We could not be more f789ed that this …

        • Vern Baker says:

          What is happening with Sri Lanka? Did they somehow manage to solve the petroleum supply issue?

          • CTG says:

            no one will ever know what happened to Sri Lanka…

            Yeah you have a friend there. He told you it is all “OK”. So, you believed him… feed from the Matrix…

            • Vern Baker says:

              You would think there would be a Telegram group for countries that are in the midst of total collapse. Its such an important issue, that you would think there would be information coming out of it. I suppose it would be entirely possible to block out most or all internet information if communications companies also collapsed. Perhaps everyone has just forgotten about it because of everything else also flashing red.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I follow quite a few Telegram groups — there is almost never any clips of fighting in Ukraine..

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I’m looking forward to the hyper inflation – once it hits the UK surely it’s will spread…

          I have a wheelbarrow ready

      • Lastcall says:

        Giddy up!

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Was she Super Snatch’s mother?

  32. Herbie Ficklestein says:

    London gold dealer runs out of bullion as truss budget shocks‘We anticipate we will continue to see an upward trend in people using gold as loan collateral in the coming months.’ said Jim Tannahill.
    By Eddie Spence, Bloomberg 1 Oct 2022 15:
    London gold dealer runs out of bullion as truss budget shocks‘We anticipate we will continue to see an upward trend in people using gold as loan collateral in the coming months.’ said Jim Tannahill.
    By Eddie Spence, Bloomberg 1 Oct 2022 15:29
    Image: Chris Ratcliffe/BloombergImage: Chris Ratcliffe/Bloomberg
    When the pound slumped as Kwasi Kwarteng presented his mini-budget, some Britons rushed to the safety of a haven that’s recently lost its luster: gold.

    As the UK currency slid to an all-time low early Monday, bullion priced in pounds climbed close to a record. That would typically encourage selling and deter buyers, but this time round the turmoil in British bond and currency markets increased the allure of the precious metal.

    “Buying has increased exponentially,” said Ash Kundra, who runs coin dealer J Blundell & Sons in London’s historic Hatton Garden jewelry quarter. “I keep running
    out of coins, I keep running out of bars.

    The rush for gold in the UK contrasts with the bearish sentiment that’s seen dollar prices for the precious metal slump by more than 20% from a March peak, as the Federal Reserve’s aggressive monetary tightening makes the non-interest-bearing asset less attractive. Still, bullion’s status as a hedge against inflation and currency debasement is keeping demand from retail investors strong.

    While the pound has recovered over the past few days, after the Bank of England was forced to intervene to prevent a bond market meltdown, the biggest set of unfunded tax cuts in half a century continues to reverberate.

    Even before the government’s fiscal policy bombshell, the anxieties generated by soaring energy bills, food inflation and higher mortgage rates were pushing more Britons to leverage their gold.

    “We anticipate we will continue to see an upward trend in people using gold as loan collateral in the coming months whilst this period of extreme uncertainty exists,” said Jim Tannahill, managing director of London-based pawnbroker, Suttons and Robertsons. Over the past few weeks, he has seen a 40% increase customers seeking
    to borrow against their gold collections.

    • gold touched $2000 oz in early 2021, it is, today, $1660oz

      • Herbie Ficklestein. says:

        But Norm, you know as well as anyone the system is fake.
        Right? Need I explain further.
        OK, a previous post pointed out in the Late Roman Empire the authorities demanded payment in kind because they minted “funny money” by the millions..just base metal that had a silver wash over it. Essentially, the silver gold mines were depleted.
        However, the authorities would accept GOLD and SILVER as payment…just as they would grain.
        There was, of course, counterfeiting (penalty death) and clipping /shaving of precious metal coins..solidus and argenteus as the were named.
        Yes, there is the PRICE of an ounce of Gold and there is the VALUE of an ounce of Gold…as George Gammon explained in one of his YouTube videos

        • 24ct gold is what it is

          it can’t be faked at the bullion dealers desk—which what I was talking about

          clipping coins in previous times has nothing to do with it, or coating lead with gold leaf.

          100 gold sovereigns will buy a decent car, $350 x100, but the car dealer normally won’t accept sovereigns–the gold dealer has to convert them into cash first.
          That exchange level has been roughly constant for a number of years now.
          That is a measure of ‘exchange value’.

          on the other hand. if there’s nothing to ‘buy’ then gold itself becomes worthless.

          in that case we are talking about an entirely different situation.

          • Herbie Ficklestein says:

            We probably are …let me say for myself rather have some on hand than not have some…it’s insurance , not an investment..
            My feeling it’s imbedded in human consciousness to have value and has been used as a medium of exchange for thousands of years as something portable, good times or bad.
            I would be relieved not to be in a position to use it in an emergency in the future..but as we are seeing tuna cans would be a good bet too

      • neil says:

        20-30% corrections are not uncommon. The 25% drop from around $725 in 2006 was squeaky bum time for me, as was the 30% correction in 2008 from $1000. Yet, in GBP, we hit an all time high of about £1570 last week. If protection against currency collapse is the main aim, then gold does a good job. Ask the Lebanese, Turks etc

    • MM says:

      Bonds ? What is that good for ?
      I have my pension that is government guaranteed.

      As Karl Marx said: A stash of gold is the only thing that can save the proletariat.

  33. Small, tight-knit communities are no source of salvation during a global calamity.

    There is a mountain lake called Isiq-kul in what is now Kyrgyzstan, in the middle of nowhere.

    A few hundred Nestorian Christians , after being pushed all over Central Asia by the Turkics, found it as their refuge. It was very hard to get to so it was kinda safe.

    Lo and behold, the bubonic plague hit. On 1337 there were 32 tombstone. On 1338 there were 72. On average there was one or two tombstones each year prior to that.

    The last tombstone was raised on 1345. No one knows what happened to the survivors, but it is unlikely that they survived and continued the religion elsewhere since the trace of Nestorianism has not been found in Central Asia since that point.

    Dmitri Orlov talks about small tight knit communities but he prefers to live at Petersburg. Guess he does know it doesn’t really work in the end.

    • reante says:

      You’re just naysaying and cherry picking ‘bad’ outcomes from contexts that may not really be that relevant to a fast civilizational collapse.

      Bubonic plague doesn’t exist as marketed. It’s just one of the catchall germ diagnoses for famine (community-wide acute malnutrition). A peoples kept on the run in marginal ecologies are likely to have disastrous outcomes. It’s how civilization has always rooted out the most fiercely independent humans and other species besides.

      There are no guarantees in life, kulm. And I’m sure you’ll agree that trying your hardest to take responsibility for the necessities of your existence — which includes defending them — is a superior approach fom an evolutionary perspective, to rolling over and dying, and also a superior approach fom an ethical perspective, to stealing from others.

    • reante says:

      Regarding orlov, you’re guessing wrong. Few people these days, due to human devolution, dedicate their lives to reaching for their true potential under natural law. For people like orlov, their true potential (high-level mobile sailing collapse strategy) is a philosophical ideal. Maybe it was real when he was younger but now he’s obviously aged-out. Another aspect of the devolution beyond genetic is social, in that without true family/clan cultural continuity, we are profoundly dismembered – reduced in membership. The psychological barrier to self-reliance is immense. It’s on full display in your comments here.

  34. @Reante

    >‘checkmate for humankind’ means human extinction is baked in the cake. the medium-to-long-term future is obviously a situation that hasn’t been called… Small, hardy, tight -knit, adaptable groups of humans can withstand extreme hardship so long as they have viable ecologies to work with. You don’t know that they won’t.

    Fine. They all marry each other and become extremely inbred. Eventually the recessive genes emanate and they die out. It could take a few generations but that happens.

    • reante says:

      Lol. Inbreeding dynamics are more interesting than the multikulti stereotype you present that seems to think that even first cousins shouldn’t kiss. Wildflock quality, well-nourished sheep for long enough and you will see yourself that ‘inbreeding’ is not the dynamic you think it is. So that we’re clear here, the multikulti stereotype of ‘inbreeding’ was originated in the line breeding practices of commercial animal husbandry, in order to breed back animals to ‘improved’ commercial returns on investment. Genetic quantity over quality, in other words. For profit.

      The hardiest domesticated sheep on the planet are Soay sheep. They have very high genetic diversity. All Soay sheep come from a flock of about 500 sheep discovered on an island off of Scotland about 100 years ago. They are believed to have been there all by themselves for the last 2000 years, since Roman civilization receded and the human inhabitants left the island. The multikulti stereotype would declare that this breed must be all fucked up. Yet it’s the baddest ass breed there is. They’re little fucking bad asses. The most athletic little bighorn sheep you’ll ever see. When the rams rut in the fall and compete for dominance they get after it. LOUD clashes. Yet they’re the coolest animals, too. I’ve never once had a Soay ram display any aggression towards me when I work amongst them, even with alpha rams during the rut while they are having an earned consort with the female of their choosing. And they’re smart. Sometimes the alpha female, who leads their movements, points to the others in the direction they are to head. They snort low-level threat communications to each other, like wild game do.

      Besides, small societies and ‘inbreeding’ are not mutually inclusive. Small, tight-knit societies don’t exist in vacuums. One of the major mechanisms by which neighboring small societies maintain constructive relationships is intermarriage.

  35. @Renate

    There is a reason people who live in the hills are held in the lowest of regard by the civilized people

    For them their mountain valley is their entire world.

    The Bible says run to the mountains. Well, that advice did not really work well for those who fled to a hill called Masada.

    Without resupply, the hills are eventually conquered. As the Montagnards (those who lived in the jungles of Indochina), who had helped CIA, found out after the fall of Saigon that eventually the guns do catch up to them . Some of them , called Hmongs, were allowed to move to USA where they did what they did in the jungles, which didn’t endear them to the locals. their pot farms were allowed to burn down without trace in wildfires of California.

    • Xabier says:

      Quite true, Kulm, everyone despises the mountain-dweller: until they find themselves nailed to a tree and their skull used as a drinking cup.

      They were always sought here as mercenaries and bodyguards: Basques Swiss, etc. In fact, because of this, many mountain people in Europe saw the world in their youth before returning with loot to settle down.

      Soft, flabby, town-dwellers need not apply…..

    • reante says:

      Apples and oranges

  36. CTG says:

    Our modern civilization is so detached from FEW (food, energy and water) sources that we are doomed. Food comes from supermarkets, energy comes from the wall and water from the tap. Without any of these, everything is gone.

    Mental heath issue of the olden days are related to no having enough FEW or their tools, clothing or things related to survival are damaged or gone. The women bear a lot of children and many of them died young. If the women are not strong (be it during pregnancy or childbirth), they die off. Natural selection. Even at our great grandmother’s generation, children die, mother felt sad for a while and then move on to giving birth again. If you were to compare to modern mothers, death of a child is such a big deal that they can go into depression. That is how “strong” the modern women are. They are not prepared for any disasters. (**death to vaccination seems to be the exception**)

    Mental health issues presently are due to unnecessary non-survival related matters like the death of a pet, loss of wealth, etc. Yes there are plenty of people who are depressed due to loss of income. However, due to detachment of FEW reality (i.e. food from supermarket), these people have yet to see what will happen when supermarkets are empty.

    So few people are involved in the actual food production that a small disaster will cause a big problem. Food transportation is great now because of low energy costs but when energy is not available, food will disappear as well.

    UK – I am watching you. You have insufficient FEW for your country. Everything is imported to cover the shortfall. Maybe you have plenty of water but the other two is definately not enough. With a failing currency (sterling pound), it is just a matter of time before FEW will be a big issue.

    • UK is the origin of social darwinism

      Those with money will eat. Those without money won’t.

      It’s that simple.

      • the market for food is ultimately a process of energy exchange

        If you are ‘wealthy’ but starving, and offer someone $1000 cash for his loaf of bread, if that person can’t buy more food with that $1000, then he won’t sell it to you.

        Because your $1000 will have no ongoing worth.

        Same applies to any energy-commodity.

        Over simplified i agree, but that’s how all ‘markets’ work

      • Herbie Ficklestein. says:

        Yes, Jay Hanson said the same…as long as our societal network functions, those with money will eat

        But you asked, how do you prepare for the end. Money. Thats how you prepare for the end. Because the rich people always do better than the poor people. In the Irish potato famine, they had warehouses full of potatoes, and the army was shooting the poor people. So the rich people could get the potatoes. Money.

        • reante says:

          People with money will have big targets on their backs because desperation breeds an intense desire to get something for nothing at all costs, and money is the quintessential something for nothing.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      way back when there was Venezuela and Yemen, then in 2021 it was Lebanon, then 2022 was Sri Lanka.

      small potatoes, weak Periphery countries.

      now it might be UK, one of the Girlie7.

      though it may not be fun for insiders, hey Xabier you okay?, this could be a spectacle to watch from the outside.

      UK much bigger, so the fall would be from much higher.

      and maybe best of all, it should be “televised”, and internetted, the BritishBiasCorporation etc will hopefully remain (dis)functional on the way down, so we can get all the gory updates on what a collapsing Core country looks like.

      we can see changes in mental health already, when we look at people gathering in protests against inflation.

      protesting about inflation could be considered craayzy.

      • Fast Eddy says:


        So — I can’t remember specifics but if I recall this poor beast was blindfolded and made to go round and round endlessly grinding something … jesus… for that camel if he’s still there… the human extinction cannot come soon enough.


        Here’s the city – probably mostly destroyed by now


        And this was taken on my last day … he was my guide… we were having coffee and discussing the situation which was quickly spiralling into catastrophe… he was telling me how it was impossible for him to afford to get married… and that he was fearful of the future…. he was a nice fellow … I’ve wondered what happened to him…

        I did leave him with a nice fat bag of Khat… not my thing


        Nevermind… whatever has happened to him … will happen to all of us… and quite likely worse.

        And last but not least … after scoring a nice back of Bolivian Blow (my thing!) I convinced these hotties to come up to my room in the Movenpick hotel… for a little bit of this and that… they had thongs and stilettos underneath all that kit… who’d have thought….


    • Fast Eddy says:

      Not a single doomie P has tried the FE Challenge.

      They know …

      • Herbie Ficklestein. says:

        That you know of…just kidding…after all you are Mister Know IT All… just kidding…really..
        I recently visited a land cooperative of 4 families owning 60 acres in a northern state. These families came together with a common dream of owning land in the country over 15 years ago, but that is where most of the commonality ended. Each family has a home site, but also cooperatively makes decisions about land use.

        One couple started building their home themselves in 1995. It is completely off grid, not even having solar energy and completely without electricity–by choice!

        The thing that I find so unique about this off grid home, and the family that owns it, is the total absence of electricity. Most off-grid homes have an alternative source of energy that provides electricity—solar, wind, hydro…

        What does no electricity mean? No cell phone, no radio unless battery powered, no TV, no lights, no running water… So many of the things that we are prepping to maintain, this family has chosen to either do without or found a non-electric alternative.

        The pay-off to this homeowner built homestead? The only bill they have is ¼ of the property taxes on 60 acres of land! Think about it, what would you be willing to give up for the freedom of having only one bill a year?


        Oh boy, now what?

  37. deimetri says:

    Spent fuel ponds have seemed the nail in the coffin for humanity after civilization collapses. This guy is saying that used nuclear fuel is not dangerous that he has swam in the pools, drunk the water, etc.

    He eats some uranium in this video..not sure what to make of it…


    If what he says is true then bring on some post-BAU baby! If it wasn’t for dying a violent death and wide spread cannibalism, it will be a swell time!

    • I am not sure either how big a risk the radiation is. We use very high radiation in medicine. Some people live in parts of the world with quite high radiation, without apparent harmful effect. People who ride in airplanes (including pilots and stewardesses) get a dose of radiation every time they fly. We haven’t seen high death numbers, when there have been nuclear accidents. Of course, these aren’t spent fuel pools, which are different.

      • Burgundy says:

        Nothing can not be buried by earthquakes, volcanos or continental shifts. Those can easily brought on by a nuclear war.

        • Burgundy says:

          So the physical world post collapse will be completely different.

        • Withnail says:

          earthquakes, volcanos or continental shifts. Those can easily brought on by a nuclear war.

          No they can’t. Where do you get these nonsense ideas from?

        • I think that the concern is usually that nuclear war will affect climate, at least for a year or two. It may make weather much colder for a year or two. Without enough food to harvest, there is likely to be significant population die-off.

      • gpdawson2016 says:

        This is an important topic Gail brings up here… the risk(or not!) from radiation. There are different points of view on this, and different points of view are not well tolerated it seems. I think there is reason to doubt much of what we are taught. Much of what we think we know of the world is plain, simple dogma.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          No there is only one point of view — anyone who suggests it’s not a concern — is Delusional.

          There are 4000 Spent Fuel Ponds Around the Globe…

          If you don’t cool the spent fuel, the temperature will rise and there may be a swift chain reaction that leads to spontaneous combustion–an explosion and fire of the spent fuel assemblies. Such a scenario would emit radioactive particles into the atmosphere. Pick your poison. Fresh fuel is hotter and more radioactive, but is only one fuel assembly. A pool of spent fuel will have dozens of assemblies.

          One report from Sankei News said that there are over 700 fuel assemblies stored in one pool at Fukushima. If they all caught fire, radioactive particles—including those lasting for as long as a decade—would be released into the air and eventually contaminate the land or, worse, be inhaled by people. “To me, the spent fuel is scarier. All those spent fuel assemblies are still extremely radioactive,” Dalnoki-Veress says.

          It has been known for more than two decades that, in case of a loss of water in the pool, convective air cooling would be relatively ineffective in such a “dense-packed” pool. Spent fuel recently discharged from a reactor could heat up relatively rapidly to temperatures at which the zircaloy fuel cladding could catch fire and the fuel’s volatile fission product, including 30-year half-life Cs, would be released. The fire could well spread to older spent fuel. The long-term land-contamination consequences of such an event could be significantly worse than those from Chernobyl.

          Japan’s chief cabinet secretary called it “the devil’s scenario.” Two weeks after the 11 March 2011 earthquake and tsunami devastated the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, causing three nuclear reactors to melt down and release radioactive plumes, officials were bracing for even worse. They feared that spent fuel stored in pools in the reactor halls would catch fire and send radioactive smoke across a much wider swath of eastern Japan, including Tokyo.

          The Chernobyl accident was relatively minor, involved no spent fuel ponds, and was controlled by pouring cement onto the reactor. This was breaking down so a few years back they re-entombed.

          Estimates of the cancer burden in Europe from radioactive fallout from the Chernobyl accident


          It’s like the video of the missile into the Pentagon… I showed it to everyone … but there’s no comment on that.

          Or American Moon.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I can’t imagine eating food and drinking water laced with radiation — every single day — will end well.

    • Withnail says:

      You can swim in the pools because water is such an effective blocker of radiation. Just don’t dive down close to the fuel rods.

  38. banned says:

    Turkish public bus driver contracts SADS. The way this takes people is surreal. Its like a entity takes control and initiates system shutdown. Look at his face. Maybe a “kill switch” should be installed in public buses? HAH. Get it? A kill switch.
    Yes Virginia playing with human software has consequences but not unintended ones.


  39. banned says:

    Video footage of SADS hitting in China. The way they spin and covort is strange. Ivanslav what part of their body causes this?

  40. Mirror on the wall says:

    There is no chance that UKR will join NATO. Candidates must be approved by consensus, and the most important requirements are that the country must not be involved in any military conflicts or in border disputes with their neighbours, all of which clearly rules out UKR from the get go.

    Some NATO states will continue to supply UKR with equipment ‘to fight to the last Ukrainian’ but that is as far as it goes.

    Indeed USA would not have blown up NS 1/2 if it thought that there were any chance of Russia losing and of USA ‘flipping’ Russia to the USA hegemony. And there is no way that NATO would go into a direct conflict with Russia anyway in which nukes are at stake.

  41. Fast Eddy says:

    Not sure if will be of any use… but best to keep some $$$ on hand https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/40180

    Report published today show the case of a 76-year-old man with Parkinson’s disease who died three weeks after receiving his third Covid jab.

    The family of the deceased requested an autopsy, mRNA spike protein detected in both the brain and heart of the deceased man.


    • I am not sure if it is the weather that will freeze your bank account. It could be Biden and company, if the financial system “goes south.”

      • CTG says:

        I am not sure if it is the weather that will freeze your bank account. It could be Biden and company, if the financial system “goes south.”

        sshhh…. quiet please… Norm will get offended….

        • CTG—i had always put your intellect level higher than thinking we just had a political problem.

          i was wrong

          • CTG says:

            Norm, until today you have yet to answer my questions…. posted many times over a few of Gail’s articles. Simple questions that requires simple answers.

            • ctg

              i don’t read every comment

              but if your questions were eddyrepeats on vaxxing, baby massacres and so on i ignore them…for the simple reason that to attempt an answer would unleash a vomitary of more from the same source., all pointless. i have offered no opinion on vaxxing, either way.
              if that upsets people—tough.

              as to other questions–re climate change, energy depletion, and so on, which is very pertinent to our current situation, i have answered these in great detail, from you and others, from sound sources.

              if you still think we have a political problem, rather than an energy problem, there’s nothing i can do about that.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Yes of course – because if you responded honestly ….you want to inject babies to protect your good self – if the babies get maimed or die … who gives f789s… it’s all about norm….

              But norm they don’t protect anyone from anything … and Super Snatch would not miss you … rather she’d miss your spare change that she saves up to buy meth so she can dull herself and continue to service her geriatric clientele without losing her mind.

            • i see the usual flight path of the eddywit is being maintain eddy

              It serves as a measure of the depth of your reasoning and intellect.

              Do you think things are likely to improve in that respect—or are we to be constantly ‘entertained’ with such witticisms?

          • CTG says:

            Norm, until you answer my questions, it is not right to question my intellect. Want me to post the questions again?

  42. Fast Eddy says:

    Reading Embers of War… in 1945 there was widespread famine in north vietnam… estimated 2M died… people were watching their children closely…

    Due to cannibalism.

    They were also killing and eating pets and rats…

    Hmmm.. I wonder what would happen if they saw a veggie garden and some chickens and a cow???? And that larder stuffed with BAU canned food….

    Call 911? Guard your garden day and night with a rifle? Good luck!

    Resistance will only energize the mob.

    • reante says:

      Hungry mobs don’t roam the hills, Eddy. Hungry mobs get picked apart from high ground before they reach the hills. Then they learn to stay away from the hills. Hillpeoples have their shit together, know the hills like the back of their hands, and don’t fuck around. The bible sez head for the hills for a reason.

      Getting stabbed in the back is a bigger risk. Then again stabbing someone in the back is an even bigger risk than that.

      Just because you gave up, brother, doesn’t mean you should go around discouraging people from keeping it real. There’s no honor in that.

      • I answered this question in another place but without resupply the mountain people usually get picked off by the angry mob in the end as the communist partisans in Italy found out

        • Fast Eddy says:

          As if hill people are some form of superior tough humans. hahahahaha

          Oooh – it’s the hill people!!! Let’s not murder rape and pillage them … they are really tough buggers!

          As Xabier has mentioned most of the hill people that remain are 90 yrs old — the rest of them have moved to the city and are using apps to get laid.

          The mob would rip the hill people to bits … hungry people are very dangerous to begin with.. if you make them angry by not giving them your food — they turn murderous.

          • reante says:

            Of course hillpeoples are tougher. If you ever worked the hills Eddy you would know that. No different than hillsheep being hardier than lowland sheep.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Tough enough to deal with spent fuel pond toxins?

            • reante says:

              The spent fuel pools aren’t going to completely blanket the northern hemisphere. Anyway, you’re in the south. Iodine 131 is the only fallout light enough to be carried on trade winds. It has a half-life of 30 days and there is a simple way to block its uptake.

              That said, if they don’t dump the spent fuel in the ocean trenches, all bets are off on survival. But so what? It’s the honest trying that matters or you’re just one of them. Remember that. If you’re just one of them then you have no true right to say anything about anything.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Of course they will blanket the entire continent .. the entire world… once the water is gone… they burn .. and burn … and burn… the following discusses a reactor … but a pond contains hundreds of rods… it is far more deadly.

              A single pond would be a huge problem – there are 4000 ponds…. around the globe… the toxins would get into the air, water and food… some would be outright poisoned — the rest – cancer.

              Richard Muller’s book Physics for Future Presidents unpacks the ultimate worst-case-scenario reactor meltdown.

              In Muller’s explanation, the water cooling the nuclear fuel escapes, and is not replaced because of failed emergency systems.

              The nuclear fuel gets hot enough to melt the reactor’s chambers, radioactive materials breach the containment vessel and expose the exterior to radiation.

              “The radioactivity in a nuclear power plant is huge, enough to kill 50million people if they ate it,” Muller writes. “Even a small amount leaked into the atmosphere can do great damage.”


      • Fast Eddy says:

        Hahahahaha… humans will go … where they believe the food to be… when they see the super markets are empty (CNN will tell them in advance) they’ll leave the cities immediately — and head for.. the hills..

        When Mr DNA is threatened with starvation – he’s been known to do whatever it takes… including eating other humans… he’ll figure out who has food very quickly

        And what about all those millions who live near the hills or on the hills — who don’t have a doomie prep – you know – like your neighbours… or the people a few km down the road… unless you live in an extremely remote very difficult to reach place … with no neighbours…

        Oh and the spent fuel ponds… well they don’t care about food…they are all about spreading cancer across the globe. They sent their payload with the winds… and the rain… and when the rain falls on your food … and in your water supply… cancer will soon follow. If not radiation poisoning – depending on how near you are to the nearest pond

        • reante says:

          You’re not actually convincing Eddy. Your scenarios are shallow, one-dimensional cartoon versions of reality. They don’t even attempt to account for real life. .. For example, I chose Oregon because the only nuclear fallout from prevailing winds will come from Japan, and only iodine 131 is light enough to be airborne. As you know iodine 131 can be blocked by iodine supplementation. Fukushima was a great test run. We had significant iodine fallout here. Infant mortality rates increased 35% on the west coast in the ten months after Fukushima when compared to the four months before it. I do not eat pacific seafood.

          Mobs (young, clueless, spoiled city people) looking for food don’t wage wars of attrition. They meet stiff resistance and their cost-benefit analysis clearly tells them to move onto to easier prey, even if it means another day’s walk.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            The ‘prevailing winds’

            Blowing usually or most frequently from a given direction.

            Hmmm… so the wind always blows from the west… always?

            It never blows from the east?


            FYI – the spent fuel ponds never ruptured at Fukushima… and keep in mind the Devil’s Scenario would assume that the ponds – if ruptured – could somehow be brought back under control.

            When BAU goes – the ponds lose coolant – permanently – and they spew their toxic waste for centuries.

            Japan’s chief cabinet secretary called it “the devil’s scenario.” Two weeks after the 11 March 2011 earthquake and tsunami devastated the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, causing three nuclear reactors to melt down and release radioactive plumes, officials were bracing for even worse.

            They feared that spent fuel stored in pools in the reactor halls would catch fire and send radioactive smoke across a much wider swath of eastern Japan, including Tokyo.


            Enjoy your short time in DelusiSTAN once BAU goes and the hundreds of ponds across the United States unleash their deadly payloads.

            And pray that the wind never blows from the east — and remember prevailing means… prevailing….

            You’ll be dead within a month

            • Maybe. Fortunately, we don’t know for certain.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              The thing is…

              We know these things are different from an atomic bomb… that’s a one off explosion that kills… but people live in Hiroshima …

              We have studies that indicate that if a pond goes dry… the fire burns for many many many years… we know that the stuff that billows remains dangerous for many many many years… this is the gift that doesn’t stop giving.

              These substances end up in the water table and food chain (not that there will much food once your neighbours come a knocking … and the mob)…

              Let’s be reasonable … this looks to be a dead end for humans… and keep in mind this is only one of the many issues that will confront a doomie P…

              None of them want to take the FE challenge.. hey guys — I won’t chuck spent fuel into your challenge nor will I unleash ravenous mobs of angry people … who want to rape you … it’s not a very difficult challenge.. basically no petrol or electricity…

              This is how I know that these Doomie Ps are ensnared in a mass psychosis… they respond the same way a Tesla owner does when you tell them their car was charged with coal ..

              Tee Hee… wall of silence… denial… anger… fingers in ears nah nah nah … all that stuff…

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Oh and btw — Fast Eddy ain’t here to say there there now now it will all be fine..

              Cuz it won’t. 8B completely unplugged and unfed…. it won’t end well.

            • kakatoa says:

              The map is a bit out of date as Indian Point is no longer operating.

              When I drove to the Lake country land fill the other day the Perry nuclear plant’s cooling tower was exhausting a lot of moisture. Luckily for us our first frost of the fall occurred a day after Matt ran up the 45 degree sloped metal roof to secure two chimney stack caps in place. We have been slowly ticking off items on our to do list before winter hits in earnest. Securing the caps and stainless vent pipes in place were high on the list.

              A month earlier Matt swept a different chimney stack and verified that an unused 1850’s stack could be used to vent a gas stove. Living with single digit capacity factors, with our PV system for 16 years in CA, meant we were aware of the limitations of RE to provide energy for the H part of HVAC in the winter months. We ticked off another item on our to do list just before Matt made use of his brakes getting down from the roof. He finalized the installation of our new gas fired Jotul stove that the cats are resting in front of it as I write this comment.

              The cats have voted with their paws- they prefer the heat coming from the Jotul over the heat from our portable heat pump.

            • reante says:

              You’re still treating life like a cartoon. In western Oregon we have extremely dominant pacific ocean prevailing winds out of the southwest. Hanford is 300mi northeast of us, where they built the bombs. It’s the original gangster. It was an R&D site and not a commercial reactor but it does have a spent fuel pool there. We do get a winter blast or two coming down from Canada but in a counterclockwise fashion over the Pacific Ocean, so any fallout at that time would be taking country route here, of easily 1000mi. In summer heat waves we’ll get the air from the inland deserts to the south and west. It one of the best locations in the country, and that’s good enough for me.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              The winds never blow from the east?

              ‘A dangerous week’: East winds, storms in Oregon could spread wildfires

              While August is traditionally Oregon’s busiest month for wildfires, early September
              tends to be the most explosive, especially when hot and dry east winds are involved — a weather phenomenon associated with the largest wildfire spreads in state history.


              All that hard work building the doomie prep and with a single internet search – BOOM!

              The entire USA is – along with Europe which is also littered with hundreds of Death Ponds – the worst place to be when BAU goes down. The entire continent will be covered with deadly toxic waste within weeks — waste that does not degrade for centuries…

              Everything you eat drink and breath … will be laced with this stuff.

              The thing is…

              I did what you have done … but then I realized my folly — and t’was an expensive folly… but it’s a self-organizing system … so what will be and is – always was going to be…

              It could be that you are trapped by the self organizing system so you will continue to waste your time … even though it is futile…

              It’s like norm goes to take the Boosters… we’ve demonstrated to him a 1000x that they are useless and dangerous…. but he is trapped in the self organizing system …

              He sees the data – but he is unable to change direction….

            • reante says:

              Inland deserts to the south and EAST, not west. Sorry about that. My point stands.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Hmmm… so ‘we EAST wind events in the winter’ You should have hired FE to do your research before you committed to this folly.

              I wish you all the best when BAU implodes and the hundreds of spent fuel ponds to your east begin to discharge their cancerous payloads.

              “We get east wind events in winter. That’s the time of year they happen,” she said. “But to have an east wind event during fire weather made this the historical event that it was. https://www.oregonlive.com/environment/2020/09/wind-fuel-heat-3-factors-combined-to-set-western-oregon-ablaze.html

              There is a close relation between occurrences of severe easterly winds and large forest fires in northwest Oregon and southwest Washington. With the east winds comes the dreaded combination of low humidity and high wind that in the past has whipped small fires into conflagrations https://www.fs.usda.gov/treesearch/pubs/26050

              Oregon utilities shut down power to tens of thousands of customers on Friday as dry easterly winds swept into the region, raising the risk of wildfire danger

              Easterly Winds are Improving Air Quality The Oregon Department of Environmental Quality lifted an air quality advisory Thursday for Jackson and Klamath counties due to improved smoke conditions and a favorable weekend weather forecast.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              “We get east wind events in winter. That’s the time of year they happen,” she said. “But to have an east wind event during fire weather made this the historical event that it was.


              Maybe you can go elsewhere during the winter?

            • reante says:

              Lol. Eddy you’re funny. One of the first things I said was that the winds from the east do not come from the eastern half, more like two-thirds, of the US, because of the Rocky Mountains range. They come from the west side of that range only. The reactors ate on the east side. Western Oregon is one of the most sheltered places in the us from nuclear fallout. I realize that your shadow doesn’t want to hear that because it’s pissed off at you for giving up, for capitulating.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Well no… you said the wind blows from the west so you had nothing to worry about … Japan is far away. Which is actually ridiculous – do you think the radioactive particles will become inert before they reach you – how many thousand years is the half life…

              And remember once they boil off – they spew for years and years and years…so it just keeps coming — and it just keeps building up in the soil and water…

              The Chernobyl accident was relatively minor, involved NO spent fuel ponds, and was controlled by pouring cement onto the reactor.

              And yet that toxic shit spread far and wide and caused cancer:

              Estimates of the cancer burden in Europe from radioactive fallout from the Chernobyl accident https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16628547/

              Imagine what would have happened if the reactor was not entombed? To this very day it would be causing epic spikes in cancer.

              Now imagine if the spent fuel ponds had been wrecked…

              So now you are saying the winds East of the Rockies stop at the Rockies… the radiation will not make it’s way past the mountains…. hmmm…. so winds are unable to pass over mountains? Can you provide a source for your claims?

              I am not pissed off… I am laughing … because what you are suggesting is utterly ridiculous.

              Of course the winds will blow the radiation to where you are ….

              When big volcanos blow their top – the ash goes everywhere — Krakatoa ash caused temperatures to drop around the world and lead to famine…. the only difference here is that you won’t be able to see the radioactive particles… and unlike ash … they are deadly … invisible death

              You are just making shit up to make yourself feel better.

              Nobody gets out of this alive. No-body.

              If one of your neighbours does not shoot you dead to get at your garden … remember this when the tumours sprout….

            • kakatoa says:

              Our Jotul GF 4000 BV gas stove (pilot light model) operated flawlessly the other night when the grid went down for a couple of hours. Our heat pumps were inoperable during the power outage (black out).

              Before the dead of winter we will fire up our Hitzer 55 UL furnace as it doesn’t require grid power and it will keep the basement and utilities stack warm enough to prevent freezing pipes.


            • reante says:


              Right on. We have Hitzer hand pumps.

              Eddy. I’m Murkan. Lived on west coast almost my whole life. I have never heard of weather coming from the eastern half of the US to Western Oregon. Presumably because of a combination of the prevailing westerlies, the rocky mountains, and the systems that flow north and northeast from the gulf of Mexico up through the Midwest on the eastside of the Rockies. Therefore I’m confident that they don’t. If you still want to try to catch me out then the onus is on you to catch me out. Good luck with that.

              Regarding Japanese spent fuel pools, I already said that only iodine 131 is light enough to be carried on the winds, and even then these particles have to be explosively ejected high into the atmosphere in order to carry. The pools wouldn’t be ejecting particles into the atmosphere over long periods of time. Hate to burst your schadenfreude -blown cartoon bubble…

            • Fast Eddy says:

              The wind never blows from the East … in DelusiSTAN… (even though it does in the winter all the time – unless that weather story is a lie…)

              And for those who live near spent fuel ponds to their west… the wind never blows from the West .. in their province of DelusiSTAN.

              And in both if you suck Iodine lollies… the poisons that spew from the ponds for years — will not affect you. Just like Popeye gets super human strength from spinach.

              And your neighbours who have not prepped — will leave you alone.

              They didn’t prep because they believed we were about to transition to renewable energy and EVs… they believed in The Great Reset.

              Or maybe they own gold — or better still cryptos – everyone knows that those provide salvation…

              Everyone’s got their version of salvation …. fed to them by the PR Team. It keeps them sane in the period before we get fed into the meat grinder.

              Did I mention that nobody survives what is coming?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I know that no matter how convincing I am the doomie preppers will not be convince.

        It’s like trying to convince norm that the boosters are worse than useless… they are deadly… he’ll never buy into that

        Or like trying to show Greta that she’s a re tard ed hippocrit… or better — explaining to a proud Tesla owner that his car is charged with coal…

        Humans are animals that need narratives that give them hope… the last bastion is doomie prepping… it’s all that’s left when you see that collapse is imminent…

        They have visions of Little House on the Prairie … or perhaps some doomie prep TV show they’ve seen… it’s a hard life but it’s wonderful! It ain’t — even if there were no bad guys and no ponds— it would be a brutal slog…

        Try cutting and splitting a single tree with an axe… and dragging the wood to your shack by hand.

        No more vacations – no more restaurants — just morning till dark back breaking misery…

        There is a reason in all these years nobody has tried the Fast Eddy challenge.

        Cuz that would blow their narrative into a million pieces… they’d quickly realize that living without BAU sucks…

        And that would lead to despair…

        So they go on stacking more cans of beans in the shed… piling up more wood (cuz splitting by hand OMG…) and so on…. makes you feel good doesn’t it? I know – I did it.

        It’s futile. Everyone dies

        • Cromagnon says:

          Well, it does appear that this reset of the simacrulum will be a big one. This one will be much worse than the Noah event 6000 years bp.
          This one will be equivalent or worse than the full micronova younger dryas event circa 12,000 bp.

          In that event the dust shell blasted off of Sol hit the americas. It removed 40 complete genera of large mammal species from the planet forever and destroyed the Homo Anunna technolithic civilization resident there completely.
          That said, many creatures did survive along with surface dwelling hunter gatherer humans ( assume they were in the hills).

          That event was the equivalent of getting hit by an incandescent sandstorm with molten rock the size of coke cans. It blew the surface of the southeastern USA into the Atlantic and created the Carolina lake complexes. It created the scablands of Washington state with moving torrents of water off the vaporized glaciers. Instant mega rivers moving like the amazon on crack.
          It then flash froze the entire mess for a thousand years as the temperatures plunged back into ice age conditions.
          Humans came through that…

          Not a doom prepper among them.

          • techo lithic?

            you can’t get techno with a rock

            you just bash it

            or bash things with it—And yes–I know about sharp flint edges

            • Cromagnon says:

              The great pyramid of Giza is technolithic”. All the “impossible” Granite statuary of Egypt and Ancient India are as well.
              For an example

            • they used metal tools, not stone tools

              techno implies technology

              stonehenge—possibly, but that was observational arrangement in alignment with the sun, moon etc, there was no ‘technology ‘ involved, just stones bashed on stones.

          • reante says:

            They were prepared by default back then. Being prepared for the effects of known causes is the definition of biological intelligence, isn’t it?

          • Fast Eddy says:

            You can wrap an animal fur around yourself during the ice age… and retreat to the remaining warmer areas.

            An animal fur won’t do you much good against the toxic stuff that gets into the water air and food when 4000 spent fuel ponds burn

            • reante says:

              That’s why you can be sure they have a plan for that, Eddy. You and I both know they’re the opposite of suicidal. So relax. If I had known I was unleashing Fast Eddy’s demons when I brought up the spent fuel pools here earlier this year I might have asked you to leave the room first. 🙂

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Like the royal families of France and Russia had a plan?

              There’s no plan. When BAU vapourizes — why would their security details help them? They will be just another group of old men in expensive suits. They will have zero power.

              They will know that underground bunkers are nothing more than permanent prison cells. And why wouldn’t those tasked with chaperoning them into bunkers toss their asses out and instead bring in their families and friends? What power would these men now have that would ensure anyone would listen to their commands?

              The mob will come for the elites — we saw some of that in Sri Lanka — they know where they live — and as my mates mate who lives there said — if you resist you are murdered — the security at his properties have been told not to resist – allow them to loot.

              Remember how the PM of the country had to flee with the help of the military? Sri Lanka is not collapses – there is still a functioning govt and military and economy… if not – he’d have been skinned alive. Literally. Skinned alive.

              The Elders are nothing without BAU.

            • JesseJames says:

              Let’s see what happens in Puerto Rico. For the second time in recent years, a hurricane has destroyed their electrical grid. While the US will pay for it to be “re-built” I predict it will take longer and will rebuild a smaller fraction that was remaining functional before the hurricane. This process will continue until none of it is rebuilt.
              Puerto Rico is a good test case since they have “law and order” and a functional National Guard.
              Will they eventually go primitive and face eating? Well, they do have a semi-tropical climate and food can be grown.
              PR is in collapse process…and eventually will go majority dark with no power. There are lots of billionaires moving there to claim the tax haven status. If FEs predictions go true, they will be good prey for the hungry masses.
              Let’s wait and see…

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Elon can donate a battery? How’s that working out in Australia… remember he was going to save the day with a mega battery?

  43. banned says:

    Zelensky applies for NATO membership. He wouldnt have done that unless the USA told him there was a shot. Turkeys gonna want some big favors for that. Should Ukraine come into NATO it would seem article 5 would be invoked immediately. . If they can get Ukraine in they can get article 5 invoked. I think they believe Ukraine entering NATO is justified because of the annexation and mobilization.

    About Christmas the new mobilization troops come on line? At what point does Russia do a full mobilization? With Russia down south mostly the Ukrainians have been on the offensive. Could they retake Lysychansk before the partial mobilization takes effect? Probably not. Or is the offensive expecting a fast track NATO to come in?

    To me the Ukrainian offensive speaks to them expecting reinforcements in a big way. Why would you go on the offensive and leave your dug in positions with 300k of Russian troops on the way if you didnt expect similar reinforcements? I bet NATO comes in soon-one way or another. I still think shelling Zaph nuclear plant and the fallout hitting poland invokes artcle 5, regardless who does it. They are not going to wait for those 300k russian troops to show up.

    We will know real soon. Press hints about Ukraine NATO membership first.

    Does anyone think there will not be a massive response to Russian annexation, and mobilization not to mention his newest speech?

    Western Media is calling his speech rambling downplaying its content. I did think his reference to the opium wars was a bit of a low blow considering china is doing the same to the USA right now with Fent. Trying to appeal to China, China is going to sit this one out for better or worse. I didnt think he could top his mobilization speech but he sure as hell did-with flying colors. Short version. “bring it”.

    WW3 before Christmas? Either Ukraine comes into NATO or its kaput with the Russian troops on the way. Armor is already coming into Crimea. Or some some special weapons help from the USA something that will make a serious dent in those Russian troops? As Norman said- if you build it you got to use it.

    • MM says:

      You can not declare war for shelling a nuclear power plant if you do not declare war for bombing NS1&2.
      Well, why not?

  44. Bobby says:

    ch fürchte, die Situation in Deutschland ist nicht so gut. Sie haben ein Sprichwort: Wenn Fliegen hinter Fliegen fliegen, fliegen Fliegen hinter Fliegen, um ihnen zu folgen. Nun, ohne Energie für die Wirtschaft können wir nicht Putin ohne Putin von Putin nach Putin!

    • This is not a very good translation, from Google Translate:

      I am afraid the situation in Germany is not so good. They have a saying: when flies fly behind flies, flies fly behind flies to follow them. Well, without energy for the economy, we can’t put Putin without Putin from Putin to Putin!

      Perhaps someone can provide a better translation for the last sentence.

  45. More US problems:

    A drought is drying up parts of the Mississippi River, a major export channel for corn and soybeans. Barges cannot haul farm goods at full capacity because of shrinking water levels, sparking a vessel shortage that has sent transport prices to record highs. It’s another headache for the American farmer this harvest season.

    Bloomberg reported the crucial US water artery for the Midwest economy is experiencing critically low levels at some points due to the lack of rain. Lower water levels mean barges reduce cargo loads to improve draft, so it takes more vessels to haul farm goods which have caused a vessel shortage on the waterway.

    Barge rates this past week jumped to$49.88 per ton, the highest on record and up 50% from a year ago.

    The waterway is responsible for at least half of the US corn and soybean exports. The shrinking water level, barge shortage, and skyrocketing shipping costs are terrible for farmers during harvest season.

    • whatever move humankind makes

      the planet now says ‘checkmate’

      • houtskool says:

        Brain quantity is no guarantee for succes.

        The WWBR (World Wide Banana Republic) ran out of bananas.

      • reante says:

        don’t be so defeatist, old bean. you’re thinking too big. 🙂

        • houtskool says:

          Go big or go home.

          The beauty of it all
          Isn’t in summer or winter
          Nor in spring or fall
          Between the seasons my dear
          Is where the hunger starts
          And the sun goes up in fear

        • the world is a big place

          suggest a situation where checkmate hasnt been called

          • reante says:

            ‘checkmate for humankind’ means human extinction is baked in the cake. the medium-to-long-term future is obviously a situation that hasn’t been called… Small, hardy, tight -knit, adaptable groups of humans can withstand extreme hardship so long as they have viable ecologies to work with. You don’t know that they won’t.

            • Dmitry Orlov makes the point that it is tightly knit groups that succeed. He says that such groups are usually bound together by a religious belief. He says that being somewhat persecuted is helpful for binding the group together. I think he is correct.

              This is not the typical sustainability group that elects a leader and charges money to belong.

            • no one can know that reante

              we have expanded from 1bn to 8bn in 300 years, way beyond our carrying capacity.

              its looking more and more like the edge of the seneca cliff—or the wile e coyote moment if you prefer.

              collectively we come up with means by which we will not crash over the edge, but each move seems to be checkmated by the Earth itself—that was the point i was making.

              we might be wiped out altogether, no one can say for certain on that, but it would seem that humankind is an evolutionary dead end—of which there have been many before us.
              we might be the only species though, to have created gods to tell ourselves we are exempt from the laws of physics, and to have arranged our own extinction.

            • reante says:

              I appreciate you walking it back to a softer stance, Norman.

  46. Fast Eddy says:

    Inflation began spiking in mid-2021 – well before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
    The fact that inflation began spiking in mid-2021, shooting past the ECB’s target of 2% in July 2021, and hitting 3% in August 2021, while the ECB called it “temporary,” shows that the same dynamics were at play as in the US: The inflation dam had broken, and suddenly inflation was washing over the land, and all inflation-heck was breaking loose.

    Central banks, lulled to sleep by years of QE and interest rate repression that hadn’t caused much consumer price inflation – just asset price inflation – blew it off as “temporary.”

    Then came the spike in costs of energy products and some other raw materials in 2022, making the already burning inflation scenario a whole lot worse.

    Energy costs are still the big driver (+40.8%), but price spikes have spread across the economy to other goods, and even to services. Services inflation jumped to 4.3% in September, up from 3.8% in August.

    Inflation without energy.

    The CPI without energy spiked to 6.4% in the Eurozone, from 5.8% in the prior month. This measure hit the 2% mark in October last year and has spiked relentlessly since then:


    • Good points! A major “benefit” of the 2020 shutdowns is that they brought down the price of oil and many commodities.

      The peak in energy (and oil) consumption per capita came in 2018. The economy was functioning very poorly in 2019, with lots of protests about low wages. This is part of why it was easy to convince local leaders to shut in their economies for COVID. If they did, they could hide the fact that factories were running at far less than full capacity. If people were inside, they couldn’t protest.

      Once the economy tried to open up, in Europe and elsewhere, prices began to spike. This could easily have been foreseen. There wasn’t enough oil, or energy in general, to go around.

    • Lidia17 says:

      What does that even mean, “inflation without energy”? Since everything that’s sold not only incorporates energy, everything else of which it’s comprised also incorporates energy, it would seem to me that any registered inflation rate less than the rate of energy inflation must be a lie, or subsidized in some hidden way. Is there another explanation?

  47. Mirror on the wall says:

    The view of the Chinese government is that Europe has basically gone insane through its hegemonized position to USA and it has completely negated its own self-interests. There is clearly zero chance of China joining in with that.

    “Europe has fallen into confusion after losing its strategic autonomy, which is leading to the emergence of certain irrationality…. These countries also need to see that while the European economy falls deeper into recession, Washington continues leeching onto it to rake it in from the disasters Europe is suffering from.”

    Global Times is basically the English language publication of CCP, and reflects the view of the Chinese government.

    > Escalating sanctions against Russia shows Europe’s loss of strategic autonomy, brewing irrationality

    Europe’s energy issues are growing even bigger. The recent sabotage of Nord Stream pipelines has exposed how fragile European energy infrastructure security is. But even as the energy crisis deepens, Europe is still following Washington’s hard line against Russia, disregarding the impact such a policy may have on itself.

    On Wednesday, in response to the results of referenda on “joining Russia” in four Russian-occupied regions in Ukraine, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen claimed that the European Union (EU) was proposing the eighth round of sanctions against Russia, including a price cap on Russian oil. This continues to jeopardize the hope for Europe to resolve its current energy problems.

    It is an absolute tragedy for Europe that its dependence on Washington has grown to such an extent that it has to dance to US’ tune regarding its Russian policy. EU countries have escalated their sanctions against Russia step by step. In the end, the EU and Russia will both suffer, but the needs of the US will be satisfied.

    Europe’s strategic autonomy and control over its economy have been substantially crippled by the Russia-Ukraine conflict and US’ manipulation. Europe has fallen into confusion after losing its strategic autonomy, which is leading to the emergence of certain irrationality. The imprudent sanction decisions made by EU officials harm Europe itself, because some people and businesses have to leave the continent in the face of worsening crises.

    When the military conflict between Moscow and Kiev broke out, many Europeans believed that it’s them plus Americans against the Russians. But reality has proven them wrong: Europe is also a piece of meat on Washington’s chopping block.

    Europe’s sufferings are worth thinking about by countries all over the world, especially some of the US allies and partners in the Asia-Pacific region: When they blindly follow the US to consolidate its dominance in the world, who on earth will actually benefit?

    These countries also need to see that while the European economy falls deeper into recession, Washington continues leeching onto it to rake it in from the disasters Europe is suffering from.

    Several Western media recently have observed such a phenomenon. Due to factors, such as skyrocketing gas prices and the ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflict, many European companies are fleeing Europe and moving their businesses to the US. This includes companies producing steel and fertilizers that have a heavy reliance on energy.

    A Wall Street Journal report quoted some economists as a warning that there could be a new era of de-industrialization in Europe. European journal Modern Diplomacy also pointed out that the European public will now be left farther and farther behind as the continent’s wealth flees, mainly to the US.

    Currently, Europe’s biggest problem is the loss of certainty. The whole continent is at high risk. With a substantial spillover and diffusion effect, the Russian-Ukrainian military conflict will likely escalate. It not only brings geopolitical turmoil, but, more importantly, weakens or even hollows out the potential for the European economy to prosper.

    The US has been a huge beneficiary of the current crisis in Europe from almost all aspects. Economically, many European manufacturers are shifting to the US, and Europe’s energy demands for Russia have been successfully transferred to the US. The more chaotic the situation in Russia and Ukraine is, the more American arms dealers will make a fortune. At the same time, the US has intervened in the Russia-Ukraine conflict through NATO, which has strengthened Europe’s dependence on the US for security and weakened Europe’s strategic autonomy.

    In the face of the advantages and strengths of the US, Europe has fallen into a passive situation. Under Washington’s instigation, the EU has made dealing with the so-called Russia threat and the possible spillover effects of the Russia-Ukraine conflict its primary goal, even if it means it has to give up a considerable number of economic interests. Besides, Europe doesn’t have many resources to devote to its own defense capability building now, so it has to rely more on NATO.

    The current situation in Europe has made it more challenging to achieve the goal of strategic autonomy. This is catastrophic for Europe and the whole world, as it could lead to a severe imbalance in the entire geopolitical situation and prevent the situation from returning to normalcy.


    • Tim Groves says:

      Amazing but true. Chinese official propaganda as presented in the Global Times makes a lot more sense to me than what is coming out of Western propaganda bureaus (including the so-called “news” media) these days.

      At least the Chinese stuff is coherent and I can read it through to the end without wincing.

    • MM says:

      The first chunk of European industry has been shipped to China until they ran out of cheap coal.
      The rest will be transferred to the US until they run out of fracked FF,

      That is how you reach your climate goals.

  48. banned says:

    Beautiful 20 year old goes into cardiac arrest one day after injection and dies.


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