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The world economy is an amazingly complex, physics-based, self-organizing system. The three major elements are extracted resources including energy resources, human population, and demand coming through the financial system.
All three of these elements tend to increase over time, but both population and extracted resources tend to hit limits because the world is finite. Financial demand is emphasized by politicians because it seems to increase without limit. The extraction limit is not obvious: It is the amount that consumers can afford to pay for resources and the products they create. This limit cuts off resource extraction at amounts that are far below the amounts that geologists calculate are available for extraction.
In this post, I will offer some insights into how the world economy actually operates.
[1] There is a close relationship between world energy consumption and economic growth.
The fitted years are 1965 to 2023. The R2 =.98 tells us that there is a close relationship between energy consumption and GDP.
[2] There is a physics reason why energy consumption and economic growth are related. The economy requires energy for a similar reason to the reason why humans require food.
Physics tells us that every action, even the movement of molecules, requires energy dissipation. Within the economy, this energy can be human energy, energy from the sun, or energy from sources such as burned biomass or fossil fuels.
In physics terms, the world economy and many structures within the world economy are dissipative structures. These structures are self-organizing, and they often grow over time. Examples are plants and animals, hurricanes, and businesses.
Dissipative structures require energy of the right kinds for their continued “life” and for growth. Animals require food for their continued life and growth. Hurricanes get their energy from warm sea water. The fact that the economy is a dissipative structure has been known since 1996 and is written about today.
[3] Starting long ago, humans became adapted to eating some cooked food. This change led to humans being able to outcompete all other animals. Eventually, this change led to populations outgrowing available resources and collapsing.
According to Discover Magazine, pre-humans first began to build fires to cook food at least 800,000 years ago. The consumption of cooked food allowed early humans to have bigger brains, smaller teeth and jaws, and more time for activities other than chewing, such as making crafts.
Humans are now adapted to having some cooked food in their diets to get adequate nutrition. (A few people today try to consume a raw food diet, but they often use a food processor or juicer to break down cell walls.) As a result of the adaptation to eating some cooked food, two major changes took place:
(a) Humans were able to achieve dominance over other plants and animals. They could use fire directly to scare away other animals, and they could use fire to help make better tools for hunting and agriculture.
(b) Because of this dominance, the population of humans has tended to grow until some kind of limiting condition is hit. The resulting pattern is often called overshoot and collapse.
History shows a repeated pattern of overshoot and collapse. A population would grow until the carrying capacity of the local area was reached. Food surpluses would become lower and lower, so less food could be saved up for fluctuations in rainfall and temperature. Eventually, civilizations would succumb to one or another problem: disease, attack by a neighboring group, climate fluctuations, or governments overthrown by unhappy citizens.
We tell ourselves that overshoot and collapse cannot happen now, but human population is high relative to fossil fuel resources, and intermittent wind and solar are not working out well as substitutes.
[4] The financial system provides growing demand through debt and many other financial promises. An important aspect of this financial demand is its time-shifting ability.
Figure 3 shows my view of how the economy works. Debt is indeed important because it helps pull the economy forward. For example, it helps an entrepreneur afford to build a factory and hire workers. As long as the investment pays back well enough to repay the debt with interest, the system seems to work. GDP tends to grow. (Figure 3 also shows five other parts of the system, but I am leaving these to the reader to review.)
Debt is not unique in pulling the economy forward. Shares of stock issued with the promise of dividends act similarly to debt because they allow investment before a new product is made. Pension plans, even if not funded, stimulate the economy because citizens decide that they don’t need to save for the future (or have children), if they can depend on the government pension plan to take care of them. Even inflation in the price of a home or shares of stock can have the effect of adding to demand. For example, a person owning shares of stock can sell some appreciated shares of stock and use the proceeds to build a new factory.
It is the time-shifting aspect of debt and related promises that is important. With the help of debt and its equivalents, people can spend today to build a road or factory that will provide a long-lasting benefit. The hope is that the total return will be high enough that the debt can be repaid with interest, or that dividends can be paid on the shares of stock.
If the economy is growing quickly, interest rates can be quite high without slowing the economy. If energy costs are very high, or if all industries are stagnant, it may be difficult to get any payback at all from a debt-related investment. Instead, interest rates may need to be very low, or debt defaults become likely. Economic growth is likely to be low, or even negative.
In one their analyses of borrowing by governments over eight centuries, Reinhart and Rogoff unexpectedly discovered the phenomenon of low defaults among rapidly growing countries. They reported, “It is notable that the non-defaulters, by and large, are all hugely successful growth stories.”
[5] Models become very important in today’s economy. They often are misleading, even if they are supposedly scientific.
The easiest models to build are ones that assume the future will be very similar to the past, or that the trend from the past will continue. These models tend to be popular with citizens because they suggest that good times will continue indefinitely. Such outcomes are what everyone would like to see, so these models tend to be accepted as “scientifically valid.”
In a finite world, many kinds of patterns are constantly changing. Depletion of resources and rising population are particular stressors. Figure 4 shows the base scenario of a 1972 computer model of resource depletion, population growth, and pollution growth.
The model used was an engineering-type analysis of the physical quantities involved. This approach did not show growth continuing indefinitely. Instead, it showed a major downturn about now.
I have looked at the model myself, and I have talked with Dennis Meadows, who oversaw the analysis. The model looks at resources used in each six-month calendar period. The share of these resources needed for getting these resources out and transformed into usable work cannot be too high, or the economy tends to collapse. (Nature doesn’t use accrual accounting!)
In such a calculation, quick payback of an energy investment becomes very important. Also, the amount of supplementary equipment, such as electricity transmission lines and batteries required, becomes important. I would expect that wind, solar, nuclear, and liquefied natural gas (LNG) would do relatively poorly in such a calculation. Oil, coal, and burned biomass would do much better because their energy payback is immediate–when they are burned. Furthermore, oil, coal and biomass require relatively little specialized equipment for transportation and storage.
[6] Narratives are created to accompany the questionable models that have been developed.
One popular narrative is that Financial Demand is all that really matters. Politicians have significant control over the Financial Demand shown in Figure 1. They can see that if they can create more debt, they can perhaps get some of the money that the debt makes available down to ordinary citizens. With more money, citizens can perhaps buy more goods and services from the world economy.
Historically, raising financial demand has worked well because the extraction of fossil fuels and many other resources were well within physical extraction limits. Higher demand would lead to higher prices, which in turn would lead to more extraction. But as we get closer to the physical extraction limits, this approach works less well. The problem is that at some point, finished goods (such as automobiles and groceries) become too expensive for consumers if prices rise high enough to satisfy producers.
Because we are now reaching extraction limits, the added debt approach works much less well, as the short tenure of Liz Truss as Prime Minister of the UK in 2022 shows. The problem for countries other than the US is that with added debt, their currencies tend to drop relative to the US dollar. Thus, while perhaps their citizens can individually buy more, the cost of imported goods and services, especially energy, tends to rise. Overall inflation tends to be higher. This causes citizens to become very unhappy.
The US is in a unique position because it is currently the holder of the “reserve currency.” Its currency can’t drop relative to the US dollar. However, since 2020, the US has added huge amounts of debt, as have other countries around the world. Asset prices have also risen because of temporarily low interest rates. Newly made goods and services don’t increase in proportion to the rapidly growing debt and other financial stimulus. What tends to happen instead is inflation, as we have recently witnessed.
[7] One popular narrative is that if enough demand can be added to the economy through financial manipulations, energy prices will rise sufficiently to allow the needed amount of energy to be extracted.
Unfortunately, this doesn’t work. Affordability is important to the consumer, so oil prices can’t rise too high. At the same time, prices cannot fall too low, for too long, or producers will stop extracting oil. Instead, oil prices tend to spike and then fall back. They are to some extent not very acceptable to either buyer or seller. Whether the buyers or sellers are more disadvantaged varies over time. A similar pattern holds for other resources, as well.
[8] A third narrative is that climate change caused by excess CO2 is the world’s worst problem, and that the world can voluntarily move away from fossil fuels and fix this problem.
Unfortunately, the world economy can no more move away from fossil fuels than humans can move away from eating food. In fact, moving away from fossil fuels would likely lead to starvation for a large share of the world’s population. In 1798, Thomas Malthus wrote about his concern that population was growing too fast relative to food supply. The timing was shortly before fossil fuels began being used very widely. World population at that time as only about 1 billion. World population today is over 8 billion.
In part, the climate change narrative seems to be an excuse to move manufacturing from Advanced Economies to economies that make extensive use of coal, as it tends to be a cheap fuel. The latter economies also tend to have lower wage and benefit levels, so there is a definite cost advantage. China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001. The result is easy to see in Figure 8 below. The US now exports coal to India and China, among other countries.
As a person might expect, world CO2 emissions from fossil fuel use have soared.
[9] The truth is that there aren’t enough resources to go around to support a growing world population. We are reaching a turning point where the total amount of goods and services that the world economy can produce will soon turn down. (This is not unlike the situation modeled in Figure 4, above.)
While the narrative we hear endlessly is “We are moving away from fossil fuels to prevent climate change,” I believe the real issue is that fossil fuels are leaving the world because we are hitting extraction limits. No one wants to hear such an awful story, however. The climate change narrative is a “sour grapes” version of the story that is more palatable to listeners.
Figure 8 below shows that the year 2020 should have been a wake-up call that the world needs to cut back on diesel and jet fuels. Diesel fuel is heavily used by agricultural machinery, large trucks, trains and boats. Of course, jet fuel powers jets. With rising world population and a growing economy, it would be expected that their consumption would continue to grow. Diesel and jet fuel are both “middle distillates,” which are most abundantly supplied by heavy oils such as Urals oil from Russia and oil from the Oil Sands in Canada .
Between 1990 and 2018, consumption of diesel and jet fuels increased by an average of 1.7% per year. Between 2018 and 2023, there has been no increase at all–in fact, world consumption for 2023 is slightly lower than in 2018. If the 1.7% per year growth pattern had continued, consumption of this combination of fuels would have grown by 8.8% during the five-year period from 2018 and 2023.
In a sense, there is a shortfall of approximately 8.8% of the diesel and jet fuel combination. Some airline schedules (especially in Asia) have been cut back. Farmers in Europe are protesting because the selling prices for the crops they grow are not high enough to cover today’s diesel and fertilizer costs plus other costs of production. Diesel is a problem fuel and fertilizer is very energy dependent. If the price of groceries rises high enough to cover the costs of diesel and fertilizer for farmers, grocery costs become unaffordable to many citizens.
[10] Added complexity looks like it would be a solution to inadequate energy and other resource supplies. Instead, added complexity leads to wage and wealth disparities and frequent system breakdowns.
Complexity can take many forms, including greater specialization; more education for some of the workers; larger, more hierarchical businesses; greater globalization; and ever more complex devices. Such devices can often use energy products more sparingly. Because of these potential energy savings, many people assume that such devices can allow the energy supply that is available to be stretched to cover all the economy’s needs.
In practice, it doesn’t work this way. Instead, added complexity often adds to energy demand instead of reducing it. For example, moving significant manufacturing to China starting in late 2001 was a type of added complexity. This change added to world coal demand and increased CO2 emission because the goods produced in China and shipped elsewhere were cheaper and therefore more affordable than goods made in the US or Europe.
Another issue with complexity is the susceptibility to breakdowns it produces. Just this past week, there was an example of this with the update of CrowdStrike computer software that took down computer networks around the world. Another example is the problem Kia is having with engines shutting down unexpectedly. Nature uses complexity, but it also incorporates redundancy so that unexpected breakdowns are not a frequent result.
A third problem with complexity is that it leads to supply chains for practically everything manufactured in the US or Europe needing to go through China. This makes the US and Europe dependent upon suppliers in China. Even military goods have supply chains running through countries that we are at odds with, including China. This means that China can, in many ways, “hold the US hostage,” by refusing to sell the US rare earth minerals, or by refusing to provide parts of supply chains needed for military armaments.
Perhaps the most important problem of all with added complexity is the wage and wealth disparities that it leads to. With added complexity, there is more specialization. A few workers with considerable training and advanced degrees get high paying jobs. The wages for these workers, plus the wages for managers, leave little funding left over for less trained workers. Also, competition with workers in low wage countries tends to hold down wages for less-skilled workers.
Besides the wage disparities, some people, mostly those who are already high-wage earners, become owners of these companies. If stock prices rise, this increases the wealth disparities between the rank-and-file workers and those at the top of the hierarchy. The higher-wage people also tend to purchase homes, and the price-appreciation on their homes adds to their wealth.
Physicist Francois Roddier, in his book The Thermodynamics of Evolution, explains that this growing wage and wealth disparities are to be expected when energy supplies are short, and added complexity is attempted as a substitute. Already wealthy people tend to get a disproportionate share of the goods and services produced by the economy, while poor people increasingly get squeezed out because of the physics of the situation.
[11] Ultimately, not enough goods and services to go around leads to conflicts of many types. These include conflict within political parties, within countries, and among countries.
I believe this issue is behind the conflict we are experiencing today. I will leave this issue for another post.
[12] Slowing growth is likely to lead to bankruptcies and financial collapse.
This is another issue that I will leave for another post.
[13] Conclusion
I hope these thoughts are somewhat helpful. I have only touched on a few aspects of how the economy really works. Perhaps I can offer more ideas on this subject in the future.
Meanwhile under the smog of war/riots/climax change the real deal is the extinction of insects. I don’t ever need to clean my windscreen of insect impacts, and no need to have a screen door. The bugs are bugging out! The radiation-smog grows ever thicker and wider.
The good news is that this technology is our swan song as well. Increased cancer rates? Correlation with cell tower rollout is begging for investigation. There are thousands of studies out there, from many years ago. But can’t live without that cellphone; hey Tik Tok is so funny.
‘The biggest concern is how these new wavelengths will affect the skin. The human body has between two million to four million sweat ducts. Dr. Ben-Ishai of Hebrew University, Israel explains that our sweat ducts act like “an array of helical antennas when exposed to these wavelengths,”
Inquiry into the deployment, adoption and application of 5G in Australia Submission 517 meaning that we become more conductive. A recent New York study which experimented with 60GHz waves stated that “the analyses of penetration depth show that more than 90% of the transmitted power is absorbed in the epidermis and dermis layer.”
https://democracy.bathnes.gov.uk/documents/s62218/Sarah%20Greensides
So no need to worry, enjoy the bau wherever you can.
https://www.modernghana.com/news/1013565/deadly-rainbow-will-5g-precipitate-the-extinction.html
Once starlink is established, interest rates wont matter so much…
‘The disastrous effects of radio waves on birds were first noted in the 1930s. It was immediately obvious, for example, to diverse groups of people who worked with pigeons – those involved in pigeon racing and those still using pigeons for military communications – when the birds lost their way during the rapid expansion of radio broadcasting. But by the late 1990s, as cell phone towers proliferated and vastly greater numbers of birds were unable to fly home, pigeon-racing plummeted compelling pigeon-fanciers to revisit an issue they had earlier set aside. Unfortunately, it was too late. In 1998, shortly after Motorola’s launch of 66 Iridium satellites had begun providing the first cell phone service from Space, 90% of pigeons being raced in various locations in the United States over a two-week period vanished.
Thank You. The subject needs more attention.
Oh, and the next pandemic is baked in!
‘However, to mention two brief examples: Firstenberg explains how electromagnetic radiation damages the mitochondria – thus inhibiting cellular metabolism – with disastrous consequences for those many individuals impacted. However, they are only rarely medically diagnosed as such. And the effects of radio waves on blood sugar are extremely well documented but none of this research has been done in the United States or western Europe.
As an aside, you might be interested to know that a large, rapid, qualitative change in the Earth’s electromagnetic environment has occurred six times in Earth’s history, as noted by Firstenberg: in 1889 power line harmonic radiation began (accompanied by the 1889 pandemic of influenza), in 1918 the radio era began (accompanied by the ‘Spanish’ influenza pandemic), in 1957 the radar era began (accompanied by the Asian flu pandemic), in 1968 the satellite era began (accompanied by the Hong Kong flu pandemic), and twice more coinciding with changes that you can read in the book.’
Lastcall, everything is toxic. Get that into your head. There can be hormesis, but anything affecting homeostasis will kill you. The only concern is what is the magnitude of the effect and how fast/slow it acts. You have ionizing radiation from the sun, PFAS from the environment, plastics here and there, mercury in fish, polyester causing sperm declines… drinking too much water at once, death. Eating bacteria-metabolites from the soil that are damaging, death. Driving a car, possibility to crash and die.
Even if the electromagnetic field were to change the polarity of some ions in the mitochrondria, if the rate of repair exceeds the rate of damage and the cumulative damage is slow enough no one is going to be worried about a hypo* cancer that will appear when they are age 84 whilst the hordes of angry people outside our window that are hungry are more likely to impale you and stab you for a gruesome death as the government shuts down.
One needs to weight the relative risks and effects of things and apply a proportionate effect analysis. The last thing I would be worried about is invisible beams of energy damaging 0.01% of my mitochondria every year and exponentiating to 6 times that every decade. Just avoiding 95% of grocery store food is more than enough to reduce your absolute risk in greater magnitude, or just not stand not to an ionizing cell phone tower.
We are electromagnetic beings. Nothing else you list matters.
Toxic food, riots, cars are subsets of an environment we live in and can to some extent be mitigated. There is no mitigating a toxic electromagnetic soup, one which permeates and destroys everywhere.
Luckily for you there is probably an ionising tower adjacent you; its called a smart meter. welcome to the experiment.
The disappearance of insect life, explosion of cancers etc means this is an order or two of magnitude above anything you list. The correlation between pandemics and a change in peoples health is not a trifle; .01%?!!; surely you jest.
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Ever heard about the canary in a coal mine? Probably not. You are probably to young and naieve to recall the insect/bird life that use to be. Oh riiiight, climate change…..
I like my mitochondria the way they are, served in a delicate balm of background electromagnetic waves.
My initial comment in moderation….so;
What a mess!
Everything is toxic; not so
The products of Type I civil are often toxic.
We need the UV from sun; read midwestern doc for that scam.
We are mostly bacteria.
Drinking too much water? Silly analogy; drowning is the term you are looking for perhaps…
You may not have noticed but cancers are not just occurring at 84.
Hordes; well stick to subject pleeeease.
I have weighted the risk after doing a lot of my own research; not the narrative.
One question; did you get the recent treatment? I reckon the Cov scam was the best IQ test ever. Weighing of evidence, balance of probabilities etc etc. I find it best not to engage in debate with those that imbibed because its just a slurry of slogans.
Have a great ionizing day!
Explosion of cancers can be due to anything. Yes most cancers still start at late age excluding the recent jab. No I did not take it because even if you looked at the falsified conflated data at face value and held prior assumptions of a deadly invisible virus it still is not logical barring the political incentives to deceive. Yes water intoxication is possible just as overdosing on caffeine or dying from food poisoning like bangkrokic acid. Birds and insects will still be here even if humans disappear. Why you worry about billion year processes of continuous change makes me wonder*. So what? There will be ice ages and meteor strikes and solar ejections. No I do not trust your idea of cancer explosions at 30 due to electromagnetic waves as something highly visible. Id expect Asians in high population densities and the first to roll out high speed networks to suffer the most effects. If it’s not empirically evident to me in a 5 year time frame then it is mostly noisy data.
Small animals like insects adapt to sun patterns and electromagnetic waves ithncluding some birds.we have different physiologies. Dose and body size matters. Do I acknowledge the negative effects, yes. Do I think I will get cancer in 10 years from using my microwave or tablet?no. Do I think hungry people as a more imminent threat? Yes. Am I going to go out on a hilly billy out of nowhere area to avoid power lines when it has been in use for over 100 years? Absolutely not. euthanasia will be free and compulsory .
As much as I see, insect populations react very quickly on flowering as a source for their food. If you make hay before the flowering they cannot reproduce. Here in the Eueopean Alps, we have heavy rainfalls. If that is the case in your area, it might affect delicate blossoms. Here the blossoms are more the robust kind. People might have knocked down old fruit trees, because fruits come from the supermarket. Also, insects need insect hotels, to grow the kids, mainly holes and tubes in wood.
Here in the Alps, not on the meadows nor on rock nor in the forest I see less. But I am not hunting and counting. Yes, we have mobile phone and mobile internet but not everywhere.
To care for your mitochondria is a good idea, also to reduce radiation in your flat. Diet and movements are good idea too. The injections for sure contribute to cancer, the mechanism is clear. The spike-protein, infected or injected, causes mental problems for over 6 months for 30% of those in contact. The mechanism is proven. So eventually reduce stress and meditate or go hiking. To reduce cancer consider a keto or low carb diet. It is also possible in a vegan version – but quite hard. Mushrooms have also anti-cancer and DNA-repair effects. Even ordinary champignons once or twice a week. You can buy dried shiitake at Amazon.
https://www.ft.com/content/7175b191-04a2-406f-8149-cc1974d5b308
It needs more attention indeed. But but ‘gdp’ ‘migrants ‘n shit’.
All, except cockroaches. They’re like lawyers. They all scurry away before you can step on them, and as they say, there is never just one cockroach.
Interestingly, they are very unstable when walking on a bare smooth hard floor and are surprisingly prone to tipping over onto their backs (like Guam), a position from which they can not right themselves, so you see them dead on the floor, legs up, lying on their backs. A position Kamala knows well.
A substack article about Ukraine’s attempt to attack Russia:
https://korybko.substack.com/p/ukraines-sneak-attack-against-russias
Ukraine’s Sneak Attack Against Russia’s Kursk Region Might Be Its Last Hurrah
(I don’t notice any mention of US supplied weapons, which perhaps keeps retaliation against US possibilities lower.)
The problem for UKR seems to be that Russia already has 100,000 troops sitting back in that area.
Russia crossed the border and opened a new front that successfully drew UKR forces away from the Donbass.
UKR cannot really do the same as Russia has a much larger force with massive redundancy in the border area.
The Russian forces will flood over the border once the UKR fortified positions have been removed.
The UKR incursion over the border has simply given them something to do and some more experience in the meantime.
UKR will just lose more manpower and equipment that it cannot afford to lose; it has some of its last best battalions involved there.
It is desperate stuff and a bit silly really from the strategic point of view.
Everyone knows that Russia is going to win in UKR and UKR is reduced to pointless stunts like this.
The violence was shocking but not surprising: Britain’s economy makes it ripe for far-right thuggery
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/08/labour-riots-violence-economic-social-factors
EXTRACTS.
Rotherham, Middlesbrough, Stoke-on-Trent, Hartlepool – four of the towns where rioting has been the most furious. These are all classic examples of post-industrial Britain – places that had the heart of their economies ripped out in the 1980s and 90s, and where the factories have been replaced by call centres and distribution warehouses. They have suffered more than most from the austerity imposed after the 2010 election.
Add in a decade or more of flatlining real wages, a cost of living crisis and legal migration reaching a record level in 2022 and you get a highly combustible mixture. These are the towns and cities that voted for Brexit in the expectation that things would change, and they didn’t. To imagine that economic and social factors play no part in what has happened over the past week or so is to inhabit the farthest shores of fantasy island.
Prior information shown here indicates that London is doing far better economically than the outlying areas of England. In fact, the outlying areas have truly depressed incomes. I expect that London papers do not mention this very much.
Low incomes in outlying areas would mean that anything that London imports from these areas would be less expensive. Food products from these areas, in particular, would be less expensive. People in London would tend to think that this is a benefit, rather than a problem.
Far right? When currencies fail, people need family, culture, country, respect. That’s not far right. Calling it far right is extend & pretend. Until the mosques are burning. It is just a matter of time. A self induced wound. Who gets the bread, Mohammed? I don’t think so. It isn’t ‘fair’ either to ‘give’ it to Mohammed when you’re hungry. Not if, when.
Let the games begin.
Once they go after keyboard warriors, they will go well beyond the “few thousands racists”. “Even if they are living abroad”. Fortunately Mirror is protecting himself on these very pages.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uks-met-police-chief-threatens-keyboard-warriors-terrorism-charges
People can only report what they see locally. Mirror doesn’t seem to live in the area where the riots are most furious.
Trying to educate the colonials in sciences was wrong, wrong and wrong.
France did NOT allow their colonials to study science, a policy Japan later adopted. So the colonials were only allowed to study medicine and agriculture, if they felt like studying science, since these disciplines do NOT shake the foundations of society. Countries like Korea and Vietnam are not well known for their sciences.
But, without any foresight, Britain allowed people from India (including today’s Pakistan and Bangladesh) and other colonies to study science and engineering, and now India has devoured Britain.
Germany, not having any colonies worth describing , only what is Tanzania and the Namib desert, tried educating colonials on a Jose Rizal from what later became the Philippines. Rizal came from a family who only spoke Spanish, and to his last day he never bothered to learn Tagalog, the main language of Philippines, and it is said he was mostly Chinese, with some western blood, and didn’t
Nevertheless, he hit his limits while trying to study among the cream of western civilization. He largely abandoned his studies and became a playboy, and returned to Philippines where he got killed during an attempt to make the island independent in 1898.
To this day he is the most notable scientist to have come out from Philippines, since the Spanish and the Americans who later took over it didn’t bother to teach serious science to them.
And the Philippines, while not well known for its scientific achievements, has become a source of cheaper domestic labor all over Asia.
Such is how colonies should have been managed. USA educated too many people from countries not worth mentioning to gain more allies, but they only managed to introduce American style consumption habits in their countries, wasting more resources,
The economy needs to have the mixture of wealthy and poor people that it can support, with the resources available. In many places, in the days before fossil fuels, slaves were part of this mixture. The “return on human labor,” leveraged by whatever additional energy supply was available (animal power, water power, wind power, burned biomass) was all that was available.
With this meager energy supply, few people could earn much more than the cost of the food, clothing and housing. There were an awfully lot of poor people, as a percentage of the population.
Today’s minimum wage legislation is a demand to raise wages of those at the bottom of the wage distribution. The problem is that businesses cannot raise prices to the customers to make up for this higher cost. Many of the customers cannot afford the higher costs. They will stay home and cook for themselves, to keep the costs manageable.
I almost commented on the ‘mods’ discussion by Tim Groves and Norman Pageat below but didn’t.
Prior to the Great War there was no ‘culture’ among the lower classes of United Kingdom , or in fact no other countries. There are no cultures possible in tenements.
The social contract was such that all the good and fine things were enjoyed by the ‘worthy’ classes, no more than top 3% of the population, and a smaller ‘middle classes’, equivalent to today’s upper middle classes about 5% of the pop, and everyone else hardscrabble lives, and the colonials’ lives did not matter. They only existed to extract resources for their Imperial Masters.
Such , in my opinion, is the most sustainable modern arrangement, limiting any serious consumption to the top 10% or so of advanced countries.
We are going back to the ages of such arrangements. Not without serious resistances, since the classes who enjoyed higher standard of living they perhaps did not deserve do not go down with a fight, but as there are not enough resources to go around, they will be destroyed.
That sounds about right to me. The Victorian workers were supposed to be seen and not heard, and to generally know their place and keep to their station. There was the music hall, of course, and the pub, and for those who could read, Mr. Dickens, Mr. Hardy and others would serialize their novels in the newspapers.
I think it’s true that there were no youth subcultures as such until the 1950s in the UK, when first the Teddy Boys and then the Mods and Rockers appeared.
These subcultures arose with the dawn of the age of affluence and gave young people an alternative to being boringly conformist, which was a stance previous generations had regarded as the natural state of man in civilization. They also gave young people incentives to spend the money they were now earning on fashion statements. So I think the commercial interests guiding the whole thing probably played the dominant role in getting the subcultures up and running.
I remember tenements in East London, and some of my relatives lived in them. Four- or five-storey buildings with one set of stairs to reach two dwellings on each floor. No bathrooms or hot water, of course, but also no inside toilets. The more affluent ones had an outside toilet for each dwelling, while others had a single toilet to serve four or five dwellings—or at least, that’s how I remember them.
Prior to WW2, and for some time afterwards, the custom in the UK was to pay employees wages or salaries depending on how many years they had worked for the establishment and whether they were married and how many children they had to support. The salary included an “annual increment”. This kept young single employees too poor to waste money on things like fashionable clothes and hairstyles, let alone fancy motorbikes.
ah yes
the ”good old days” that people yearn for, worked a 25 hour day for a shilling a week, and two shillings a week to rent a company hovel.
—at least our shoebox had a lid on it.
the key factor in having any form of culture of course, is enough liesure to enjoy it.
doing some research on the quakers right now, they seemed to be the exception, talking to a man last Monday, living in an 1860s quaker-built house…absolutely loved it.
And civilization flourished
What did the Quakers accomplished? Quaker oats?
Keeping the poor in desperate states does reduce instability and divert resources to more useful ways
civilisation did not flourish until energy outgoings were more evenly distributed—and that only in countries where there was enough surplus to do so.
Greek ”civilisation” was a slave based economy
check the Cadburys in Birmingham
their workers were living in city squalor–so they built a new town outside the city, and moved everyone out there.
So all they accomplished was a brand of chocolate
It was 1964 when Roald Dahl published Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, virtual slave labor, performed by the Oompa Loompas , a tribe in god knows where (described as aliens in movies, like a fig leaf, not unlike making Rosie, the family servant, a job usually occupied by blacks at that time, a robot in the Jetsons) who were NOT paid but allowed to have some of the chocolates and could not leave the facility.
The cold truth is it is necessary to exploit the weaker class to the extreme to get the maximum efficiency.
What about the dodgy people whose names start with “Ku” and use ungrammatical English such as “What did the Quakers accomplished?” Do they deserve to be kept down too?
No one really wants to have his/her own standard of living reduced, so goes berserk, but since there is not enough to go around, those with power will be the first to appropriate the available resources, leaving nothing for the rest.
What about the dodgy people whose names start with “Ze” and use inappropriate humor? Do they deserve to get their Quaker Oats and Cadbury’s Dairy Milk? Or should they be sent to bed with nothing but a cup of Horlicks and a slice of dry Hovis?
Keeping the poor in desperate standards does work.
It is the only way to minimize resource consumption by those who do not deserve to use them
it doesnt work
it costs more and more to maintain subjugation
eventually there is violent revolution.
“Who do not deserve to use them”…
Oy, wonder how that will decided?
Kulmmie, really now between you and Fast Eddie it’s a toss up on repetitiveness…we get your mindset
Perhaps having a blog like Crazy Eddie will be your next stage of “advancement”.
Probably through deep brain scans and mass genomic sequencing. The transhumanist globalist dreams can be seen in movies. Altering time perception so criminals get 1000x fold misery in one second, or have their memories replaced. A perfectly ordered human caste for each set of tasks as Aristotle would have it. That is why they push for data processing advancements so they can replace the unreliable humans.
https://www.livescience.com/54370-math-brain-network-discovered.html
This is from 2016
It is possible to do a quick brain scan to find out who will be good at math.
By tallying up contributions by various social, ethnic and other groups.
Nowdays it could be done by neighborhoods.
Concentrate all resources to the areas more productive, and deny them to areas not too productive.
Productive…now that’s a can of worms if I ever saw one..
Thomas Merton put a play on words with
Manufacturing…
Yes, indeed more production with manufuckery
When I visited India, I took a tour that went inside a slum in Mumbai, India. The living accommodations that a family might rent were far below this. Sort of a 10 x 12 room, with fold-down shelves for family members to sleep on. There was a space at the edge where cooking could be done. Water came in jugs that women brought in. There were no real toilet facilities, just a nearby field, and a little trough that took waste away from the apartments. There was probably a single light bulb for lighting. No closets. Perhaps a shelf for storage.
We weren’t allowed to take photos.
On this tour, we heard that many workers slept on the factory floor where they worked, rather than rent these spaces. Often these workers had families in other parts of India. They wanted to send some money back to them. Same problem with bathroom facilities.
if you read up on the ”London Rookeries’ of the 18th 19th c, you will find the same descriptions.
peoples crammed together in order to earn enough to live.
they were cleared buy driving wide roads through the city, and building decent housing to replace them and sewers to drain them.
but it couldnt be done until there was enough surplus energy in the system
We are going back to these days
I agree. We are going back to the days when surplus energy will be increasingly unaffordable for the masses.
The idea of you all living off of some Universal income dropped like mana from heaven is just a dream someone made up to stop you all going nuts.
Anyone who wants to enjoy a life of affluence and leisure is going to have to find effective ways of exploiting the labors of others.
that’s the way it has always worked Tim
Grow up Timmy. I don’t believe for one moment that you had connections to the East End. I suspect that you are employed by Cheltenham.
So how about you attending one of the ‘anti thugs’ demos and give the ordinary working class people the benefit of your deep knowledge and philosophy.
Please let us know the date & time. People need a ,laugh.
WHO may declare new, deadlier mpox outbreak an international emergency
“”In light of the spread of Mpox outside DRC, and the potential for further international spread within and outside Africa, I have decided to convene an Emergency Committee under the International Health Regulations to advise me on whether the outbreak represents a public health emergency of international concern,” Tedros said. That committee will meet “as soon as possible,” he added.”
https://www.livescience.com/health/viruses-infections-disease/who-may-declare-new-deadlier-mpox-outbreak-an-international-emergency
Fie! A pox be upon you for bringing us such bad news. 🙁
If We hear that the MPox and/or the Bird Flu gained function to result in Dead Parrots then we should all head for the Fjords!!
(Reuters)
“First Russia-China barter trade may come this autumn, sources say”
(…)
“Barter trading would allow Moscow and Beijing to circumvent payment issues, reduce the visibility Western regulators have over their bilateral transactions, and limit currency risk.
Russia is developing regulations for barter trading and the Russian sources Reuters spoke to are working on the assumption that China is doing the same.”
Russia and China seems to be creating an interconnected economic system, based on mutual trust, which seems to have the objective to avoid modern and contemporary financial risks.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/first-russia-china-barter-trade-may-come-this-autumn-sources-say-2024-08-08/
This looks like utterly preposterous misinformation to me. They already have working payment systems in both Rubles and Yuan.
PS – the point of this article being to maintain the pretense that Russia and China are backwards and that the sanctions are causing severe hardship/impact.
Actually I think that in this case Reuters just reports facts.
And I think that, on the contrary, the West should be worried about that because the two Countries in this case don’t use Dollar or Euro.
Additionaly these episodes represent exchanges of physical resources (which the West has in little quantity, expecially Europe)
It is interesting to hear about. There are many solutions to the issue of working around the US$ as the reserve currency.
If that’s the case, then Russia and China are truly pathetic or one party (probably China) doesn’t actually want the transactions to work. China and Russia have supposedly been developing interoperable payment methods for 10 years, which should shield those payments from visibility and coercion by the US. If a particular commercial bank is afraid of being sanctioned, China can just set up its own state bank that can be dealt with directly by the Russian ones, instead.
https://x.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1819539704099828055
This is the first time I have seen President Maduro speak. Once you get past Jackson’s mediocre questions and some introductory remarks, the Maduro says Elon, Bezos, Zuckerberg are intelligence agency assets / the private-industry face of the Pentagon. Anyway, he is much more measured and calm than the way he is presented in mainstream images – clenched fists, yelling etc – an interesting divergence that shouldn’t surprise me anymore, but does.
Maduro does sound intelligent.
Governments don’t borrow from financial markets
https://youtu.be/dpvzhYLjiPA?si=YmN4oX1BA6UwkXC3
Obviously, the physical reality sets the limits.
“Obviously, the physical reality sets the limits.”
Agreed!
“Governments don’t borrow from financial markets”
So, why do they – or the CBs – accord so much importance to attempting to control interest rates?
The development of the shale patch, fracking etc over the last 15 years would not have been possible to anything like the extent that it was, without articially suppressed interest rates, which result in mispricing, and the resulting misallocation of resources, throughout the system.
Interest rates are like reward meters for Pavlovian dogs. Higher degreed midwits would like to know they could potentially make their digits convert into more resources on the basis of deferred consumption. The meter has to be controlled because it sets the dynamics and motion of human behavior to act more, or act less. It determines whether humans consume more or less resources and it determines whether certain industries bust or boom. Given elites want control, they need to keep AI/infotech above water and not have it go so badly that the public loses confidence. Remember, you can get enough slaves to do your work if you give enough a meagre award but slice away a few shavings every year. If it’s too noticeable, then they no longer have any control.
Its a numerical abstraction for how many units of resources you get for deferring consumption today as a fractional multiplicative percentage, even though in technicality the amount of purchasing power shrinks. Just like the laws of motion, the first to convert wins. The loser has to deal with marginal increases in prices of things and items when the resources are already expended or ”propertied”.
The government guarantees that you will get the money back with interest, but it can’t guarantee that there will actually be goods and services (made with resources, including energy resources) to buy with the money it gives you back with interest. Inflation may be very high, and some goods may not be available at all.
In the case of the UK, if it puts too much borrowing into place, particularly at too low an interest rate, the UK pound will fall relative to the US $. This will make buying imported goods, such as oil and natural gas, more expensive. This is what Liz Truss discovered, in her short tenure.
Of course, at some point all governments collapse, including the UK (and the US). When that happens, there is no guarantee that holders of debt will get funds as promised. Holders of UK currency likely won’t be able to buy goods and services with notes that they still have on hand. UK currency will be like Confederate Money, from the time of the US civil war–something with no real value.
A university teacher in Israel grows all his food on 750m2
https://youtu.be/TNR8JfHah00?si=ZqRFSJCSomlwNNi1
Thanks, so it can be done, lots of time, lots of know how and training and some land…very nice..also available BAU consumer tools and products and some energy…easy peezyr. Maybe some will make it through the collapse with luck….and avoidance from the boards and authorities wanting to take it from them.
Other than than…
He does not say that it is easy. He sounds quite objective, as I know what he is talking about from my own experience. He criticizes permaculture and I agree with that.
I must add that you need industrial fertilizers with micronutrients to achieve a high quality food. The soil is being depleted.
Even crop rotation isn’t enough. If all of the human waste is put back in, that would help. But human urine can be too salty, if food is seasoned with salt.
Moreover, you need totally new approaches, like new heat and drought resistant plant varieties due to the changed climate, weed control fabrics etc.
And you have to adopt new plants with less sugar content, too. E.g. I have more than enough apple trees in my garden and I am also reducing growin potatoes due to their high sugar content. Apples and potatoes were historically easily grown food in my climate, but their nutritional properties are poor in comparison to colorful berries like blueberries, raspberries, blackberries etc. which can be grown now successfully thanks to the netting protection.
Quality food is not cheap, as freshness depends on how far the is food from you. I really must spend a considerable time in caring for the plants to achieve a quality yield, which is possible only thanks to the fact that my garden is adjacent to my house and I work from home.
Majority of the people consider growing own food in comparison to lower quality and processed food in the supermarkets as time, resource and effort waste. They simply accept the lower quality, so that they have more time and money for other purposes. The world offers so much entertainment and excitement now, they would by otherwise deprived of!
Did some perks culture stints here than there…remember Jerome Osentowski of Central.Rocky Permaculture espousing remineralize
with rock.dust and keeping rabbits, fowl, and having a water pond for aquaculture ECT
Again, this is ideal situation with a stable locale.
https://crmpi.org/
The link.to his Institute… Believe Jerome has retired and set up.a land trust
I scanned through this video. The author does have some good points, about a vegetarian, or near vegetarian diet, being easier to do on a small amount of land, than one requiring animal food.
I don’t know whether he mentions that Israel has a long enough growing season that multiple crops can be grown during the year. This makes a huge difference. People in India can produce multiple crops per year, and live on a close to vegetarian diet, so this approach works for them.
https://greenpacks.org/what-are-the-growing-seasons-in-israel/
I didn’t hear him mention all of the little “helps” he uses from the fossil fuel system. Clearly, he cooks his food with the fossil fuel system. But I expect that he has farm equipment, fences, netting, and perhaps even chemical helps from the fossil fuel system. He says that “most of his crops don’t require water,” but clearly some do.
I know that Israel, overall, is very water deficient. In fact, that is one of the major conflicts with Palestine is about enough water for crops. Israel uses desalination to try to get more water, but this is an expensive, high energy approach, and it doesn’t get the necessary nutrients back in the water.
Perhaps the author found a part of Israel with the best climate for crops. I am doubtful that people everywhere (even in Israel) could get the same results. I know that I have had a lot of problem with plant pests–both animal and disease.
And usually, there is a need for thrashing of grains. Somehow, he handles this, presumably with the help of energy slaves. Also, making oil from some of his crops.
I appreciate that he mentions his anti-consumerism as the reason for growing own food. Quality food is not cheap. Billions of people live in the illusion that what they eat is a good diet, which, of course, is not, because there is not enough resources for that.
If you want quality, you must reject consumerims, as consumerism is based upon a false idea of abundance, which does not exist in reality due to the physical constraints.
He gets one crop of grains a year, during winter, when there is rainfall, around 700 mm a year. Best area in Isreal.
There is a paper on his farm:
https://journals.plos.org/sustainabilitytransformation/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pstr.0000066&type=printable
Apparently some inputs, according to the paper. Explains why he does not have to work much, still better result than most. The grains are neither irrigated nor given any compost:
3.1 Farm inputs
Ongoing inputs invested in producing food on the farm include water for irrigation, fuel for
small power tools and tractor, and compost as fertilizer. Wheat, fava beans and olives grow
using only rainfall, so no irrigation is used. The vegetable garden is irrigated in the dry months,
between March-November requiring an estimated 50 m3 of water annually. Performing farm
work is aided by four small power tools: a string trimmer, power tiller, threshing machine (all
run on petrol fuel), electric olive harvester (connected to the farm’s solar power system), as
well as a diesel tractor hired for 2 hours a year (for tilling before annual sowing of wheat and
fava beans). Total time of using the tools annually is estimated at 21 hours with a fuel usage of
about 33 liters annually. In addition, our LCA calculus includes a monthly 30 km journey
(each direction) by car to the nursery and gardening shop for seedlings and supplies. Crop cultivation on the farm does not necessitate synthetic inputs including pesticides, herbicides, synthetic fertilizer, plant growth regulators, or nanomaterials. The vegetable plot uses 10 liters of
organic compost for fertilization per 1 m2
, i.e., 1400 liters for the entire plot, twice a year (winter and summer), totalling about 3 m3 of purchased compost annually for the vegetable garden.
Olive trees are fertilized once a year before the rainy season with about 100 liters for each tree
of compost produced onsite (1 m3 of compost for all 9 trees). All in all, 4 m3 of compost are
being used as fertilizer on the farm annually (see Table 2).
Britain picks up another Olympic gold!
This time in Bin Lobbing!
https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1723018138345905.png
I’m sure others have seen this. The epitome of unintended consequences, if you assume the globalists are “sincere.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/coming-clean-clean-energy-its-dirty-business
And because these songs keep coming back in my head:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPOSBUVU86M
A super guitar solo by Justin on this one.
It is frustrating living in a world where such a false story is told everywhere. Trying to explain things to people is like banging your head against the wall. This post points to this link as a new study, trying to explain the issue to people:
https://www.theamericanconsumer.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Clearing-the-Air.pdf
The thing about politics is you only get one try; if you discredit you reputation, then everything is over. A noble lie exists for a reason.
You cannot openly state you are doing population control policies or trying to extend the lifetime reserves of depleted energy. Loss of confidence in currency, means disordered chaos means total anarchy. There are only alternatives. Humans are just not mature enough to be emotionally ”static” against ideas of killing people benevolently for resources, or being ”controlled” to ration energy/resources. You need a spin on it.
Well a lot of people don’t want to hear the truth. Not to be misogynistic but women in particular are that way! Do you ever wonder why the ratio on here is 10-1 males. Maybe it’s genetics; I have tried to convince a lot of intelligent people of what is going on and in the end they just want to fall back on old ideas that things keep going.
people will often ”ask” your opinion, but if your answer isnt what they want to hear, theres an immediate cutoff
I wouldn’t worry too much about wars causing nuclear exchanges between countries all that is just scare tactics being employed by the elders who knows maybe they have control over the world’s financial system they have been at it for quite a long time. What the elders really want is this ; ‘ At the height of the COVID pandemic in March of 2021, 25 heads of government and international agencies issued an extraordinary joint call for a “new international treaty for pandemic preparedness and response,” to protect the world from future pandemic threats. The treaty was scheduled for adoption at this year’s World Health Assembly, the decision-making body for the World Health Organization. Despite a devastating pandemic that resulted in over 20 million excess deaths, negotiations ground to a halt amid bitter political disagreements.
Yet there was a bright spot. On June 1, the final day of the assembly, nations adopted historic reforms of the International Health Regulations, which govern the international spread of infectious diseases, and extended negotiations on the pandemic treaty to May 2025 or earlier. These decisions reinforced the importance of multilateral institutions and international cooperation. Political will seemed to coalesce around a common desire for a healthier and more secure world. ‘
This sounds like published “boilerplate.”
How much of the world’s population trusts the World Health Organization? It gets its funding from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and other funds controlled by wealthy individuals. They didn’t use good sense before; why should we expect a better result in the future?
I don’t think you’re getting it they want to reduce us in numbers by bringing in forced vaccinations this could be accomplished if every country in the world agreed to this pandemic treaty . It doesn’t matter what the world’s population want or think all that matters is if governments sign up to this treaty then the world’s population could be forced into vaccination with ‘the safe and effective vaccine’.
Global pandemic treaty to be concluded by 2025, WHO says
By Reuters
June 2, 20247:02 AM GMT+9:30Updated 2 months ago
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LONDON, June 1 (Reuters) – Talks aimed at reaching a global agreement on how to better fight pandemics will be concluded by 2025 or earlier if possible, the World Health Organization said on Saturday.
The WHO’s 194 member states have been negotiating for two years on an agreement that could increase collaboration before and during pandemics after the acknowledged failures during COVID-19.
The UN-agency had initially aimed for an agreement this week, but talks have been extended amid deep divisions between rich and poorer countries on issues like vaccine-sharing and preparedness.
Countries did, however, reach a parallel deal to update existing legally-binding health rules, known as the International Health Regulations (IHR), which includes a new category of “pandemic emergency” for the most significant and globally threatening health crises.
“The historic decisions taken today demonstrate a common desire by member states to protect their own people, and the world’s, from the shared risk of public health emergencies and future pandemics,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in a statement.
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“With this agreement, we take steps to hold countries accountable and strengthen measures to stop outbreaks before they threaten Americans and our security,” said U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra on Saturday.
The changes to the global health rules were aimed at shoring up the world’s defences against new pathogens after COVID-19 killed more than 7 million people, according to WHO data.
So, why are a number of countries – Russia, China and Hungary come to mind – trying to set incentives to raise birth rates?
You can want both. Lowest number of old and lower total numbers while higher youth.
I have figured out that the WTO wants to reduce human population by use of its mandates.
(Luogocomune / Vaccine Today / Children Defence)
By the way, here one can find another article (with relative links) about the new vaccine card that will be introduced in Europe.
The first 5 Countries to introduce this card will be Germany, Belgium, Latvia, Greece, Portugal.
https://luogocomune.net/medicina-salute/eu-arriva-la-tessera-vaccinale
https://www.vaccinestoday.eu/stories/european-vaccination-card-will-be-piloted-in-five-countries/
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/five-countries-test-european-vaccination-card/
Never again
“Despite a devastating pandemic that resulted in over 20 million excess deaths, negotiations ground to a halt amid bitter political disagreements.”
Why do people keep repeating this nonsense? There were no global excess deaths during the “pandemic”. Therefore, there was no global pandemic. The excess deaths began once the state began rolling out its “protective” measures.
edit: apologies, adonis. After reading further down I see you aren’t advocating this position.
For your info they changed the definition to case counts. It’s not about mortality anyways anymore and yes switcheroo with delayed medical operations and suicide as well as elderly euthanizing was a triple play.
https://www.rt.com/news/602301-scott-ritter-fbi-raid/
Federal government going after Scott Ritter again.
FBI searched the house and went away. Scott Ritter is OK.
Note to self. If I ever lose anything at home, all I have to do is express a naughty opinion, and the FBI will come and help me search the house for it.
They are also following Tulsi Gabbard around in case she says something mean about Kamala Harris.
https://www.rt.com/news/602297-tulsi-gabbard-tsa-spying/
Totalitarianism is alike a black hole. Once it forms, it can only intensify by swallowing anything that gets in the way.
It is getting intense. The shooting starts when the election ends. That is my assessment of the dems win or lose.
In keeping with the theory that current events are a game of musical chairs to secure dwindling resources.. apriori, the next smackdown appears to be some kind of military conflict in the Arctic regions with images of a channel of sea ice breaking and the main pillar of a remote hunting lodge being shot out by helicopter gunship.
Trump should have picked her for vice president. I guess he’s got a ring in nose and Theil is controlling it
Britain stood solid on the streets against the far right tonight.
Hundreds of far right are now being rounded up by the authorities for inciting or participating in disturbances including persons abroad.
‘Civil war’ LOL
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13720171/Britain-fights-Counter-protesters-outnumber-rioting-thugs-towns-country-UK-braces-night-100-far-right-demos-biggest-police-mobilisation-2011.html
Britain fights back: Counter protesters outnumber rioting thugs
Around 100 hate-fuelled protests were planned across the country tonight, many of which were planned in now-deleted far-right groups on apps such as Telegram.
Far right… far outnumbered: Thousands of counter-protesters flock on to British streets to crowd out anti-immigration demos planned at ‘100 sites’ – leaving agitators in Brighton seeking protection from police as the country remains largely calm
Around 100 hate-fuelled protests were planned across the country tonight, many of which were planned in now-deleted far-right groups on apps such as Telegram, with police deployed in their biggest mobilisation of resources since the 2011 riots. Thugs have been using now-banned channels on the messaging app to threaten the lives of anti-racism campaigners, make sick slurs and exchange tips on how to ‘hood up’ – as police vowed to catch those inciting violence, even online. But anti-racism counter-protesters have come out in their thousands in Bristol, Birmingham, Brighton , Liverpool, Newcastle, Sheffield and several London boroughs to send one clear message: Britain does not welcome hate.
…. More than 400 people have now been arrested and Director of Public Prosecutions Stephen Parkinson has said the thugs could face terrorism charges as the legal system mobilises to bring offenders to justice.
The CPS chief hit out at those who had used the internet for the ‘purposes of incitement and planning’, telling the BBC: ‘If you’re engaged in that activity, then you can be prosecuted for the substantive offence that you have caused (due) to what you’ve been doing using the internet.’
And in a warning to those acting outside the UK, Mr Parkinson said: ‘Some people are abroad. That doesn’t mean they’re safe.
‘We have liaison prosecutors spread around the globe who’ve got local links with the local judiciary and law enforcement, but also the police are also stationed abroad.’
In measures reminiscent of the 2011 London riots, magistrates courts are operating round the clock to process rioters and releasing mugshots of some suspects after they have been charged in an effort to name and shame them.
Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer – who was himself Director of Public Prosecutions between 2008 and 2013 – said the criminal justice system has shown a ‘robust and swift response’ in the face of ongoing unrest.
Thank you for relaying to us the official view.
Virtue signalling is irrelevant in the long term.
As the energy situation deteriorates, bringing the virtue signallers face to face with social reality, so strife will increase.
A ‘far right’ activist is a virtue signaller who has been mugged.
Come on Timmy. I thought that you were going to face these crowds of “cowards and scum” and tell them to their faces to go home….be off.
The offer still stands. So be brave, be corgeous Timmy…or hide behind your keyboard..
Perhaps the protesters are not the cowards that you claim.?
Please post what protest that you will be attending so that we can look for you on the news.
ivanislav: You are so tiresome. I am not against the immigrants themselves, I totally understand and would probably do the same thing in their shoes. What I am against is their being let in here willy-nilly. Why? Because it degrades my quality of life and that of my lineage.
What you’re for or against is irrelevant to me and the point I was making, which is that your quality of life (and mine), and that of our glorious bloodlines, is not local but global. If it were *actually* local then not only would that life not exist but what you consider to be “local” (i.e your own or some other country which is accepting too many immigrants) would be far too large to be local.
And due to the conditions created by capitalism, which has always been a global system of necessity, survival on the local level in that *actually local* system would involve a frightful degree of both inter- and intra- local violence. The English enclosure movement spanning the 1400s to 1800s are a good example of wholesome local life at a time when capitalism wasn’t able to drain enough surplus from other places to enable the mass of Europeans to feel proud of high living standards and defend them from the barbarian immigrant hordes. Back then we had to roleplay as barbarian immigrant hordes ourselves, for our wise, benevolent, almost godlike ruling classes, who would eventually reward us with BAU several centuries later!
Henry VIII, 1530: Beggars old and unable to work receive a beggar’s licence. On the other hand, whipping and imprisonment for sturdy vagabonds. They are to be tied to the cart-tail and whipped until the blood streams from their bodies, then to swear an oath to go back to their birthplace or to where they have lived the last three years and to put themselves to labour. For the second arrest for vagabondage the whipping is to be repeated and half the ear sliced off; but for the third relapse the offender is to be executed as a hardened criminal and enemy of the common weal.
I bet those forcibly displaced peasants were crying tears of gratitude when their ears were cut off, thinking of great-great-…great grandson ivanislav’s wonderful (globally subsidised) local way of life.
Ya know, I’m beginning to gravitate towards Kulm’s worldview. Our reptilian overlords no doubt have some issues but deep down are obviously nice reliable folks. Who wouldn’t want to be enslaved by them?
Wtf is wrong with you? We shouldn’t be concerned with our own posterity? Degenerate.
Stay away from name calling, please. Different views are OK.
In modern societies, in the West and East Asia, a very large proportion of people do not have, and will never have, children. They have no concern for posterity, because they won’t have any.
Hordes of sad, angry and resentful Chinese are lying flat. The Malthusian pressure is so great; not even resorting to stealing, lying or faking can absolve it. It goes all the way up and down the ladder; Temu, Tofu construction, chargeback ”company” backfiling taxes, deposit ”removals”, account balance sweeps, endless corruption, 10:1 ratio of females to males in urban cities, PhD graduates working in food delivery…
Honestly, this era is not one anyone would enjoy living in. I’m surprised at age 13 I could deduce the political implications and eventualities from a geology lesson in geography and seeing the demographic period whilst the majority go banging on their ”portfolios” as if that would be translatable into usable resources when hordes of hungry people are out there.
Life still looks sweet in the tier one cities. Go and see for your self.
You two are missing the point.
Ivan, the world is global. You need to refine crude through Russia and rare earth metals from China. And you need to bomb some countries for some of your standard of living, as well as enslave some Africans to generate the device you are typing on. Localistic policies make zero sense, because we share the same fate. The hordes are fed because you can’t do economic activity or mining or anything if they keep raiding your infrastructure. Furthermore complications of geopolitical issues like blocking ports can backfire. Globalists chose interdependency for a reason.
Secondly, they did not suddenly have a deep masochistic vision for hordes of low IQ people. They still have population control and eugenic policies; most of the hordes are likely to become slaves for agrarian work or cannon fodder for interracial wars or act as a distraction, or a means to make white people get accommodated to a lower standard of living.
Violence and riots lowers property values and allows densification, hence lower resource per capita usage. The violent migrants justifies military force, biosecurity identification and genetic sampling for the elites. Every ounce of resource use will be monitored and punitized. Authoritarianism is borne from the desire of the many to live a high standard of living. Humans can’t self-rule and are too stupid to realize that energy reserves are everything, furthermore the baby boom would never stop if an increasing amount of standard of living could be achieved at zero marginal cost to leisure time. Now intermixing is promoted, but I think the political purpose is to generate hatred for dependent or upgrade the genetic material of the underclasses of the world for world domination. Most breeding is still intraracial.
The migrants are genetic dead ends. They will never produce any technology, but technology is always unfeasible and renders mankind on a time-scale of limitations as interdependency is fostered from any type of system that has its intialization from upstart costs of cheap abundant resources and materials. Unless a genius physicist appears and we somehow make an interdimensional device that harnesses energy or gather all that dilute uranium in the sea into concentrated form or some miracle happens, mankind would just amorally thermodynamically exploit energy until its depleted or replenished by the solar/carbon/etc cycle.
ni67, beautiful. The poles will change rapidly though with less to make everyone eating sand from Mars.
What is your opinion? Going to bed now, because my side of the planet says so.
Jupiviv, you just put the finger on the implications of de-growth. Thank you. Remember, everything, everything turns upside down in an ever less environment. There will be a shitload of misery until we reach a new and improved equilibrium.
What that new equilibrium will be is another discussion. It doesn’t look good.
There is always equilibrium. If we all die in a nuclear holocaust tomorrow – equilibrium. If fusion makes possible infinite EROEI Type I ultra-elite civilization – equilibrium. If capitalism collapses into post-capitalist surplus-accumulating micro-states competing to survive in a polluted and resource-depleted planet – equilibrium. Paraphrasing George Carlin: the planet will be fine, we’re the ones that are screwed.
True of course. What i mean is, most of ‘us’ are accustomed to minor changes. Not a new equilibrium.
A new equilibrium in our current status is unaffordable. That is why the current system fights to keep it afloat.
The planet is trying to shake us off. And that is quite understandable.
Queen Elizabeth, the real one, not the fake one, issued an edict to hang all the beggars and let the local balliffs to deal with vagrants as they saw fit.
So the ‘Travelers’ disappeared in Great Britain, and only survived in Ireland where the enforcement was a bit less strict.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/p6SAxNbA8n4
>> On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. – Mencken
Maybe Kamala should stay away from explaining “cloud storage.”
That will really make Dennis L, who supports her, very happy since she will probably believe the cubic mile of pt in the sky story and will appropriate money to try to get the stuff.
kul,
If that is what it takes to get the “stuff” I am all for it.
If you have recommendations, please advise.
I try and be an optimist, things have always been hard.
If you want a bad day, think D Day, first boat landing on shore, front door opens, a hail of machine gun fire coming your way to welcome you to France. Now, that is a really bad day.
What I do find amazing is if one attempts something within their abilities, puts their head down, accepts some setbacks, adapts and keeps going it is amazing how many times it works.
Dennis L.
“New offshore wind projects delayed by state, including areas off Martha’s Vineyard
” … Opposition to development of that ocean area has grown in recent months, escalating with the July 13 collapse of a football field-sized turbine blade in the Vineyard Wind lease area, where 62 turbines are planned.
“The blade’s failure resulted in pieces of fiberglass, rigid foam and balsa wood of varying sizes falling into the ocean, with debris washing ashore on Nantucket and Martha’s Vineyard, and Muskeget, Tuckernuck and Cuttyhunk islands. Debris was also recovered from waters about 3.5 miles off Monomoy in Chatham, and on Tuesday the town of Falmouth reported that debris suspected to be from the blade arrived in the water and on several beaches on Buzzards Bay.”
https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/2024/08/07/offshore-wind-new-england-massachusetts-rhode-island-connecticut-avangrid-marthas-vineyard/74699873007/
Government funding seems to be essential for these things — other investors seem to be unwilling to risk money on them.
Well, it ain’t called Cuttyhunk for nothing.
Also zero interest rate lending, and huge subsidy for transmission line to shore.
Inflation.
The balance between what can be delivered and the amount of available ‘money’ is completely off track. Compensation of this lack of affordibility goes through dillution of the currencies involved, because there is no other choice.
“There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.”
Mises
This time however, it is not funny anymore.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T2P-NOVYnz8
“sucking on a greasy coin”. Hannibal nailed it.
In the back ground Bod Dylan sings “Blowin’ in the Wind.”
Dennis L.
For those of us who use the US dollar, this maybe of interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNuS0g9-aMU
STEM is supposed to be hot now, but STEM rewards High IQ and that is a social problem for many.
STEM is hard and grading is not subject to a curve; indeed as we go digital, more and more is yes/no or 1/0. Give new meaning to Pass/Fail.
Study is hard work, phone time/ game time are probably not helpful.
Personal observation regarding math: applied/theoretical. Applied, the device either works for doesn’t. Easy to grade.
Personally can’t remember using topology, actually can’t remember much topology.
Like to do my sums on paper when head will not suffice.
Dennis L.
Kevin Walmsley says that Chinese banks are now viewed as safer than American banks, especially by companies that might be sanctioned by the US for doing some things that the US doesn’t like.
The title of the video is “De-dollarization accelerates as China’s RMB soars past Euro, Yen; China builds new financial system.” The title means that RMB is being used in a greater share of world trade now than the Euro and the Yen.
Regarding topology,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterexamples_in_Topology
This article says,
<blockquote: In Counterexamples in Topology, Steen and Seebach, together with five students in an undergraduate research project at St. Olaf College, Minnesota in the summer of 1967, canvassed the field of topology for such counterexamples and compiled them in an attempt to simplify the literature.
I was one of the five students. My name is listed in the foreword to the first edition of the book. I decided this was not the kind of thing that I wanted to go into for my life’s work.
Was either Steen or Seebach from Germany? I was at St. Olaf in summer of ’63 for a high school session. Recall lectures in a large auditorium like room, building was made of stone as I recall, nice architecture. Think physics was held there also.
Dennis L.
I think Seebach and Steen were US born, but perhaps of German decent. There is a large stone building, Holland Hall, which is named after one of my relatives who was an early treasurer for the college (actually Haaland). St. Olaf used to have physics and other sciences there. There were some large lecture halls there when I went.
https://wp.stolaf.edu/news/holland-hall-renovations-combine-classic-architecture-modern-technology
clickkid: Evolution tends to select for those who favour those with whom they share the most genes.
“The Sabine women, from the outrage on whom the war originated, with hair dishevelled and garments rent, the timidity of their sex being overcome by such dreadful scenes, had the courage to throw themselves amid the flying weapons, and making a rush across, to part the incensed armies, and assuage their fury; imploring their fathers on the one side, their husbands on the other, “that as fathers-in-law and sons-in-law they would not contaminate each other with impious blood, nor stain their offspring with parricide, the one their grandchildren, the other their children. If you are dissatisfied with the affinity between you, if with our marriages, turn your resentment against us; we are the cause of war, we of wounds and of bloodshed to our husbands and parents. It were better that we perish than live widowed or fatherless without one or other of you.”
-Livy’s History of Rome
And besides it makes no sense to compare human societies to billions of years of evolution to begin with. Moreover, evolution wouldn’t be evolution if it inherently “favoured” (a meaningless concept in this case) a linear progression of genes. There’d just be copies of the first one-celled organisms.
I didn’t say that evolution ‘favoured’.
The more closely related two people are the more genes they have in common, Therefore, in favouring those closely related to me, or those in my ethnic group, I am tending to favour the replication of my own genes.
This simple fact explains a great deal of the world around us.
But what are “my own genes”? Why would you want to favour their replication? And how far would you be prepared to go in order to do this?
Would you—impregnate your siblings and cousins?
—prohibit your blood relatives from practicing birth control or abortion?
Annihilate as many non-blood relatives and strangers as you possibly could?
If not, you are not really trying, are you? Indulging in nepotism or simply being more altruistic to close relatives is not going to cut it.
Maybe we should think this through more deeply. How many genes do I have, and how of them are unique to me?
Humans generally have around 20,000 to 25,000 genes in their genome. The number of genes that are unique to any one individual, with no one else sharing those exact same gene variants, is quite small. each person has around 20-50 completely unique genetic variants that are not found in anyone else’s genome. We share the vast majority of their genes with other humans, with only small differences in the specific variants or alleles present.
The degree of genetic uniqueness increases the more distant the genetic relationship between two people. Siblings share about 50% of their genetic variants, while unrelated individuals may only share around 0.1% of their variants.
If you really want to favor your own unique genes, then clone yourself as many times as possible and get your clones good jobs and social positions.
Or alternatively, if you want to favor the genes you share with all other humans, which is the vast majority of your genes, then be kind to everyone and help them on their way.
As for me, it doesn’t bother me one bit if my genes disappear from the human genome or from the face of the earth entirely. Individually and collectively, we humans are not designed to go on for ever. Why should we consent to live our lives as slaves to our genome when it is the easiest thing in the world to say, “Not on your life, Mr. DNA! I’m not genetically compelled to keep making copies of you. That idea is just social conditioning.”
The thing is it is a little bit more complicated than that.
It operates somewhat like a dynamic electric circuit. You can get the similar outputs; properties of human beings with similar behavior and dispositions in thoughts and aptitudes and desires, but with different appearances and healthspans.
It’s like a refined naive semi-local exploration system that is projecting its future states on the precondition of hardened priors that have some degree of freedom for a change. Unique 1 to 1 gene outputs is not really what the elites favour — ”reproduce wisely” on the Roman Catholic Church tablet. AKA there is some social dynamics at play in concerning a sufficient diversity of genes or ”outputs” in terms of individuals to specialize in differing things. But all other things being equal, you could say there is an ordinal set of gene combinations that are better than others rather than unique genes. We just happen to use one that have some basis of similarity in output-matching to appearances, simply because it has a lower energy cost than spontaneously developing a gene-sequencing technology with all of its priors. Its energetically cheaper to just see someone that looks similar to you and trust them than something else. Saying why something wants to defend itself from being itself seems self-contradictory. A stable form just is. You can argue the converse, why don’t we just all simultaneously suicide if the universe will just turn us into galactic dust? Can you know this with certainty? No.
Right, you said evolution selected for not favoured but that’s the same idea. And I’m saying that it doesn’t make sense to say nature/reality as a whole prefers or disapproves of something because, obviously, it’s not a conscious entity. In fact it’s not an entity at all, but a category that includes all possible entities.
Anyway the point is we cannot speak of “laws” unilaterally dictating how life works. It’s not about favouring or disfavouring whatever genes. Often, if not always, both of those things are at work and causally intertwined, along with infinite other processes. There would be no symbiotic ecosystems, biodiversity etc at all if organisms only favoured their own genes, or only favoured other genes. It’s a false dichotomy.
It’s a ‘tendential’ law, independent of the consciousness of the organisms involved, but also with countervailing influences ( for example too much genetic similarity carries its own costs).
We are necessarily the descendants of organisms, which have competed with each other for resources and reproductive opportunities for a long time. Those genes we possess ‘tend’ to be those which produce characteristics which got us here.
Each generation of organisms within its environment is the result of a process, which might be described as ‘the winnowing of the chaff’. It is a neverending process, as the demands of the environment an organism is in will change over time, and as less useful or deleterious mutations are discarded.
Within current human societies I would carefully suggest that selection is currently taking place for religiosity and familial affinity at a level never before seen in history. This is because contraceptive technology has given us the power to control our own fertility better than ever before, implying that those people who now have the most children are those who expressly desire them.
Israeli society is at the moment probably the best example of this where the secular are now being massively outcompeted by the Orthodox.
For anyone interested in this general topic., I would recommend ‘The Evolution of Man and Society’ by C.D Darlington, published in 1969 if memory serves.
https://chapwoodindex.com/
This shows how real inflation surged much more higher than official figures in 2023 and 2024, although it was of course also much higher in those prior years.
For example, prices in Chicago rose 15.9% in 2022 and 10.4% in 2023.
Deflate nominal GDP by these figures, and the US has probably been in ‘recession’ since at least 2007 – uninterruptedly.
It won’t be much different in the rest of the West.
I hope that the index somehow takes into account the effect of rising interest rates in buying homes and vehicles. This is a huge cost that the CPI seems to leave out. The CPI uses “owners effective rent” on homes, which is not the same.
Yes. Effective inflation hides in all sorts of places.
Declining product quality comes to mind – something which Charles Hugh Smith quite rightly often mentions.
He has also written about the offloading of various costs on to the consumer in the form of digital shadow work.
Declining quality of service in retail is something I’ve noticed too over the decades.
People often do not realize the effect of underestimating inflation on published GDP. If I deflate nominal GDP growth of 3% by about 2% inflation, then I still arrive at ‘growth’ of about 1%. If inflation is really 4%, then contraction is already at about 1%.
If inflation is really 10%, well ..
It seems to be easy to hide how badly the economy is really doing.
I have discovered that hotel costs have rapidly inflated, and the services provided have gone way down in recent years. This is especially the case of you go to a popular destination.
I think we have to acknowledge we’re in the first stage of the exponential function when we look at the failure of fiat currencies. Weeks, months, years pass, what we get is a few losses in stocks and buying power. Suddenly your socks get wet, and, a few weeks later there’s no place left to dry your hat.
The Washington Post has a disturbing article out about Boeing’s production problems.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/boeing-interview-transcripts-paint-picture-of-chaos-in-737-max-assembly/ar-AA1ol8Qu
As I thought about the matter, it may be that Boeing has no choice except to outsource the production of major parts overseas. The US is lacking for industrial capacity. It cannot actually make very much, from scratch, using steel or aluminum or any other metals. (It can recycle used metals, but this leaves low-grade mixed metals). There is still a little of the aluminum industry in the US (six smelters), but steel of high quality needs to come from elsewhere. The US doesn’t have much of other industries, such as those making fabrics for airline seats, either, I would expect.
Don’t forget the Boeing Starliner that is stuck in orbit, currently tethered to the ISS, but running out of time to get fixed.
May have to be jettisoned soon, as it can only stay attached to the ISS for a finite time.
Then the 2 US astronauts are stranded for an indeterminate time.
From the WSJ: The push toward ESG seems to be abating. ESG can’t stand higher interest rates.
https://www.wsj.com/business/earnings/glencore-decides-to-keep-coal-business-swings-to-surprise-loss-31c6d455
Glencore Sticks With Coal, Cites Pendulum Shift on ESG
London-listed miner’s CEO says ‘cash is king,’ not politics, as shareholders push to keep fossil fuel
Maybe the financial turbulence has been stopped for the moment. Zerohedge reports:
Futures Soar, Yields And Oil Jump After BOJ Capitulation Nukes Yen, Restarts Carry Trade
The US stock markets are all up this morning. Oil price is up a bit as well. The 10 year Treasury interest rate is back up to 3.94%. Risk seems to be off.
The upward trend in stock prices did not last very long, however. US stock markets ended lower. Nasdaq was down 1.05%. 10 year Treasury interest rate is 3.954%, so up a bit from this morning.
World War One began with the guns of August.
World War Two began with Chamberlain not getting a reply from Hitler in early September.
Nine Eleven—the next biggest thing to a world war—also took place in the first half of September.
World War Three—about which there is ample speculation at present—will probably also begin in August or early September
This is because the various groups of Elders love their summer holidays sailing the Med or sunning themselves on the French Riviera. They don’t want to be distracted by major conflicts while improving their tan.
So, I think you can take it as read that WW3 will be breaking out at a theater near you in the next few weeks. All this other stuff is a distraction from that.
I’m expecting the initial theater will be in the ME, where US forces spread out in hard-to-defend bases are very vulnerable to being attacked, while the Commander-in-Chief is …. does anyone know or care what condition he is in?
I’m hoping this will be more of an information war than a kinetic one, and that no nukes will be used. But wars, once they get rolling, have an infuriating habit of getting out of control and not going according to plan.
This is the time of year when huge problems take place. Perhaps, though, we can wait until a year or two from now, before the real problems take place. It sounds like Japan has sort of stopped the Yen unwind problem for now. Let’s see how long the band aid lasts.
I can picture Kamala as a “war-time President”.
Can you?
I am hoping she would ask for assistance from Walz.
Trump has indicated that he would keep the US out of wars. That would be a definite plus for him.
i seem to recall Roosevelt saying exactly the same thing.
wars just tend to happen
It is hard to believe that anyone would campaign on getting into a war. It is difficult to tell what leaders would actually do, unless the person in charge is in the military himself, and is tending in that direction.
Do you think “they “ are the ones that decide? Somehow I don’t think George Bush knew until they told him.
I disagree that Trump will keep us out of war. He is a Republican who is buddies with Netanyahu, who wants war with Iran. The Neocons have wanted war with Iran since GWB was President. A vote for a Republican is a vote for more war in the Mideast.
I do agree that Trump does want to make peace with Putin, which is a positive, maybe the only positive of Trump.
You are so close…
Bidet, Kamel or Strumpf – they are all paid actors.
It’s weird that you can look back and see that nothing has changed every time a new president was selected, but (most) people are incapable of extrapolating from that.
Did you know that Trump’s so-called Ukraine peace plan is WORSE than the one offered by Bidet?
Of course not- you all think in emotions, not reason.
Anyway, if you care about Russia’s future – don’t worry. Putin was put in place by Kissinger and is supported by the CIA (see slavland chronicles) so whatever happens you know it will be for the best (for them).
In a way you are correct. All politicians in a way are “paid actors”. They are “paid actors” of the capitalist class. The Republicans and Democrats represent slightly different wings of capitalist class. Capitalism is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie; real democracy is largely illusionary.
I still think Trump does want to make peace with Putin, I don’t know the specifics about various peace plans. I know that Republicans tend to have favorable view of Russia since Putin is a right-wing autocrat that allies himself with the Russian Orthodox Church. Republicans want to emulate the autocracy and merger of church and state that Russia has.
Gail wrote:
“When I look at energy consumption per capita in the UK, based on the latest “Statistical Review of World Energy,” energy consumption per capita fell by -4.7%. In fact, over the last 10 years, the energy consumption per capita has fallen by an average of -2.6%.”
Of course these are only averages. Some people will have increased their energy consumption over the last few years, while millions are experiencing much larger declines.
Nobody who reads Tim Watkins’ articles will have been surprised by events in the UK. Anecdotal evidence shows that decline is happening – and not just there but elsewhere – much faster than statistics would have us think.
I concur. For example homeless natives where unheard of when I grew up in Italy, and even 20 years ago they were zero. And look at them now!
20 years ago there were two, yes 2 billion less people on the planet to support….stands to reason, as Gail has pointed out,
Ain’t not enough to go around, spiled milk under the bridge.
20 or 40 years ago there were exactly as many italians as there are now.
Were there? How about all those boat people sailing in and expats coming in. Some guy at work just retired here in the US and bought a flat outside of Milan to settle down.
Suppose you got to look at the big picture as Gail likes to point out.
Same here in Florida, lots of immigrants flooding the area along with our old state folks.
Causing a stress on social services, inflation infrastructure ect.
Even if the population was so called stable in Italy, the world inflation would bankrupt Italy via diminishing depletion
Wikipedia
The population of the country almost doubled during the 20th century, but the pattern of growth was extremely uneven due to large-scale internal migration from the rural South to the industrial cities of the North, due to the Italian economic miracle of the 1950s and 1960s. In addition, after centuries of net emigration, since the 1980s Italy has experienced large-scale immigration for the first time in modern history. Italian government data, in its annual report for 2019, estimated the number of foreign nationals residing within Italy, including immigrants, at about 5.234 million.[3] Due to such large-scale immigration to the country, particularly from the early 2000s to 2014, the population peaked at 60.79 million. Since then, decreasing migration, a continuously falling birth rate, and continuous aging have led to a sharp decrease in the Italian population.
You are welcomed..did your work for you bye
In Italy, other than the increase in the number of people that the system has to support, we also need to consider that a lot of industrial capacity has been moved outside the country increasing economic difficulties for many families that have lost their jobs.
The prove of that is at this link (https://www.terna.it/it/sistema-elettrico/statistiche/evoluzione-mercato-elettrico/consumi-energia-elettrica-settore).
We can see that the peak of electricity consumption of the industrial sector was around 2006/2007 at 156 TWh and has been in decline ever since ending at around 130 TWh in 2022, and I think that 2023 and also 2024 will mark another fall in consumption.
Moreover, this period in time, 2006/2007, also coincides with the peak of total primary energy consumption in the country, or should I say peak prosperity?
I work in industrial sector Gian.
The number of active good industrial clients in Italy is less than the half of what was in 2006/2008.
After that period there was a drastic reduction.
Another drastic reduction was the couple of events: Covid+Ukraine.
Expecially Ukraine war has destroyed two important points 1) business of many companies working for Russia and 2) it has destroyed the possibility to work with reasonable cost of energy for Italian industry in general.
I think that current apparently ‘good’ GDP performance is because they are not cleaning correctly the inflation part and also because there is a wisp of success (of short period) only thanks to tourism.
But a nation can’t be strong hoping only on tourism.
Italy is in very bad shape although current statistics are not giving a real picture of that.
When I look up on the latest UN Population Estimates (2024), I see the following populations (000’s) for Italy as of July 1:
1983 – 57,766
2003 – 57,740
2023 – 59,499
So population was exactly flat between 40 and 20 years ago. It has risen by a total of 3% in the most recent 10 years, thanks to added immigrants. Migrants are much higher in the later period.
Energy consumption per capita peaked in 2003 and declined only a bit in 2004 and 2005. It has declined a great deal more than that since 2005.
I know that Italy needs to import a lot of electricity. The Statistical Review of World Energy gives electricity generation, so does not capture the import/export issue. Peak electricity generation for Italy took place in 2008. (Per capita electricity generation would have peaked a bit earlier).
But one needs to also look at the population density area too.
The rural regions are losing the population a NJ d urban areas gaining,
like in Spain, Portugal and France.
There is even a PBS TV series
I bought a village that has folks renovating abandoned villas.
Timmie also says the same is in Japan
population distribution really does not matter, and it goes both ways. retired people are moving to the country. families are moving to the suburbs, leaving the cities to immigrants. it is a small country anyway. it is just that the economy has declined markedly, leaving a lot of people without the means to have a roof.
Elon Musk is of course completely correct in his comments regarding the inevitability of civil war conditions.
Gail mentioned below declining energy consumption per capita, which will only continue.
Different ‘tribes’ living close to each other, combined with declining living standards is a recipe for conflict – see the case of Yugoslavia.
Currently, the state can deal with the situation, because capital markets allow it to commandeer resources for welfare rolls and policemen, amongst other things.
Interest rates are now too low to protect the purchasing power of currency, but they are already too high in regards to accumulated debt.
One thing to watch is the purchasing power of a policeman’s salary. 🙂
Civil war does seem like a possibility. To me, it is a little more likely that the US central government just “closes up shop,” in a way similar to the way the USSR central government collapsed. The US central government, and in fact the governments of many other countries, seem likely to say something like,
“We can’t pay for all of the benefits we promised you, from pensions for the elderly, to unemployment insurance, to healthcare (for whatever group is covered), to road repair, to support for educational systems. States and local governments do what you like. You can band together to issue new currencies, if you like. You can offer whatever services you choose. You can trade internationally, if you can get others to trade with you. Good luck as you go forward!”
Of course, the US govt (or the deep state behind it) would never do anything to stop the collapse – they are just a bunch of wallflowers!
Or you could look at history and see that countries have resorted to hyperinflation, creation of new currencies (maybe digital this time), asset seizure, genocide (to bring the masses together), war (a perennial favorite) and yes, even manufactured pandemics.
Gail, at the risk of offending you – you must know that what you wrote above is incredibly naive. Do you expect evil people to renounce power with no fuss?
Not to mention that you ignored the fact that the so-called US govt is just a puppet show. Whoever calls the shots (bankers or CIA or reptilian overlords) has the power to sent billions of people to death for their goals, and you think they will just give up?
Come on, what drugs are you on?
I don’t know exactly how it would work, but I know that it takes energy to support our current government. This leave it vulnerable to collapse.
Sometimes governments are overthrown by unhappy citizens. Sometimes something else happens. For example, the political parties are too far apart to agree on anything. A shutdown happens, and no one can agree on funding to open the economy back up again.
I know that today’s governments have promised far more than they can possibly deliver. Somehow, this has to come to an end. It is not obvious to me exactly how.
Maybe there are intermediate steps I leave out. Perhaps services of many kinds get cut back greatly first. Perhaps one program after the next is handed back to the states, for the states to figure out how to fund. When the central government has withered away to almost nothing, it collapses.
Smaller areas go back to having dictators (or kings) in charge.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/08/07/one-dead-hotel-reichsschenke-collapses-germany/
A sign of the times – since when did hotels built by Germans collapse?
Strange!
The old Germans perished at Normandy and Stalingrad
Chances are these Germans who built that structure were mostly Turkish speaking.
@Mirror on the Wall: Living standards are stagnant in Britain rather than in decline. It remains a stable society with a growing economy. Unemployment is at historically low levels and the workforce continues to expand.
I agree it’s currently a stable society and the “wave of riots” is more like a t*rd plop in a council estate puddle. But a growing economy? C’mon maine! Just look at the decline in house sales 21-24, and the type of properties and the type of buyers. There are islands of growth with small promontories of stagnation. Depressed wages in low-paid sectors and insolvencies/unemployment in small business is sold as a “vacancy crisis” because the damage is less obvious. Many over 50s disappeared from the employment figures entirely having taken their private pensions early. The direction is pretty clear I’d say.
Where’s legendary ofw news blurb poster Harry McGibbs btw? We need ya man.
“It remains a stable society with a growing economy.”
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“The Trussell Trust, an anti-poverty charity that operates a network of food banks across the UK, reported a 37% increase in the number of three-day emergency food parcels it distributed between 31 March 2022 and 1 April 2023, compared to the year before.”
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8585/
The UK economy is only ‘growing’ because of the great efforts put in by statisticians to underestimate inflation through the GDP deflator effect. GDP is in any case only a measure of the currency value of transactions.
I suspect that the same statisticians have also been very adept at re-classifying unemployment in a couple of other categories.
In fact, falling unemployment can – counter-intuitively – sometimes be an indicator of increasing poverty, since you can only count as officially ‘unemployed’ where a rich country can afford to put you on welfare.
Countries like Bangladesh and Liberia have virtually no unemployed. 🙂
I predict increasing work for government statisticians. It is also an area which although traditionally regarded as boring, will increasingly be seen as offering room for creativity.
“Where’s legendary ofw news blurb poster Harry McGibbs btw? We need ya man.”
he has his own site:
https://climateandeconomy.com/
Harry would certainly be at odds with the ofw climate change hoaxers and deniers on ofw these days.
i would what he’d make of the moonfakers and wtc-weirdos, not to mention all those ukrainian crisis actors
Keir Starmer told to bring in ‘Covid-style’ measures to stop rioters
“A government advisor said “the British public will back them in whatever measures they feel is necessary” as police try to tackle riots across the UK
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1931778/uk-riots-covid-lockdown-keir-starmer
Once you pop u can’t stop!
The sad thing is that a large portion of the population, perhaps even a majority, believes what they’re told. “Let’s flush our culture down the toilet, import a bunch of people without any regard for skill or compatibility with our own culture. It’ll be great! And while we’re at it, let’s piss off the largest regional power!” I would make fun of them, but the same thing has largely happened here.
Evolution works in mysterious ways. Of the original population, those who rebelled lost (as Mirror says below), and those who acquiesced also lost.
They were already losing – that’s why they are rebelling.
Now they are losing more of course.
The even sadder thing is that in the not too distant future the same (non-)logic you apply here to immigrants will start to seem true of “native” people as well. Attending all ideas of nationalism/regionalism/localism is the delusion that these things will magically stop at an ad hoc point of geopolitical unity which one considers optimal.
The reality is that modern ideas “localism” are exactly that – modern. The products of the modern, globalized world.
When real localism gets going it won’t stop at “the immigrants”, but rather continue up to the point where it’s sustainable within the natural political-economic limits of any given mode of production. Compare a map of the sovereign entities in Europe today with one from the 1400s, then exclude the possibility of discovering the Americas, unintentionally infecting the Native Americans with old world diseases and eventually getting rid of the survivors so the rebellious surplus landless ex-peasantry of Europe can be upgraded to capitalist free farmers. Something along those lines, with all that entails re who is alien or local.
While I’m at it, it’s interesting that all this righteous anti-immigrant anger always ends up getting directed at people not resources or commodities. Let’s take it all the way – get rid of everyone with non-European lineage and stop all trade between NATO/OECD and “other”. It’s gonna be amazing.
Evolution tends to select for those who favour those with whom they share the most genes.
“I against my brothers,
I and my brothers against my cousins,
We brothers and our cousins against the world”
Arab saying.
Sounds a lot like the Windsors. 🙂
Indeed. 🙂
A fascinating aspect of migration into Europe is observing how societies, which have become much more based on individualism, react to the meeting with ethnicities still based on family and clan.
Which algorithm will work better as living standards come under pressure?
Good point!
You are so tiresome. I am not against the immigrants themselves, I totally understand and would probably do the same thing in their shoes. What I am against is their being let in here willy-nilly. Why? Because it degrades my quality of life and that of my lineage. If we want to bring in a few highly capable highly skilled folks who are compatible with the culture, I am totally A-OK with that, but it needs to be merit-based and address local needs.
people have always migrated.
it was normal to follow the seasons for grazing and hunting etc
then we learned how to draw lines on the earth and call them maps, and make the planet property.
thats when the problems started
>> people have always migrated.
Sometimes people defended their turf and prevented others from migrating to where they were. Sometimes they didn’t. Sometimes migration was beneficial to the existing inhabitants. Other times it was detrimental.
Thanks for the platitudes … “people have always migrated”, like that is some sort of useful wisdom regarding national policy.
i was merely pointing out human activity over 0000s of years… reactions to that activity will differ in different places in different periods.
human insticts are always with us
“The outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic in Hong Kong in early 2020 largely silenced the protests.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Hong_Kong_protests
Or rather the response to the Covid-19 pandemic stopped the protests. Keeping people inside for some excuse was a solution to riots.
Agreed!
I find the dem vp Tim Wilz super disturbing. At the level if this is America it is time to leave.
And go where?
China, Russia, Uruguay.
A person often meets his destiny on the road he took to avoid it.”
-Jean de La Fontaine
Didn’t apply to the guy I quote all the time, Caledon Hockley of the movie Titanic. He did what he had to avoid trouble and he lived.
The grandfather of the guy who played that character , a Greek Jew, escaped Greece during WW2 that way and left descendants.
And that actor , while not too successful, has descendants while Leo does not
… Uruguay?
There is good wine there (Tannat) along with lots and lots of beef. Many people there eat beef at every meal.
Gale seems to be too old to do that. At least her daughter is following the woke way so that might protect her.
You think Communist China, Putin’s Russia or Uruguay is a great place to live? Do you speak the languages spoken there? Do you even think Russia, China or Uruguay would let you in? Do you have the financial resources to move there? I always here people that if so and so is elected they are going to leave the USA, but never do.
I always hear over entitled middle class boomers who cry and cry about how hard they have it, when they don’t know how great they have it compared to the rest of the world. You would kiss Tim Walz rear end before living in China, Russia or Uruguay.
China will not let you in. Russia is trying to encourage immigration from the West, as is Paraguay. I assume Uruguay is similar.
haiti probably
A strong no on Haiti. The Caribbean could be nice if there is a stable state.
What will probably happen is an internal exile, i.e. people just retiring early and not having anything to do with society, preferring to stay in their little communities away from big cities.
A lot of Soviet smarties who could not flee chose to serve in very remote outposts of USSR, where expectations were low, and they got to play virtual lords in many of these locales. If they overstepped their boundaries sometimes they got into trouble, but as long as they pretended to toe the party line and didn’t cause trouble they lived their lives out away from all the mess at Moscow and Leningrad.
Tim Walz comes across as not being of the moneyed class–the Powers that Be. He comes across as Mister Nice Guy, looking after the underlings. This is helpful in a few ways:
1. We need a growing debt bubble to keep the system from collapsing. More programs for poor people is a way of adding to the debt bubble without starting WW3.
2. Walz doesn’t come across as the kind of person who would allow the pharmaceutical industry to get away with the things they did, both with the opioids and with the covid-19 vaccines.
3. A lot of people have gotten tired of TBTB having as much influence as they seem to.
4. Walz comes across as Mr. Nice Guy from the land of Minnesota Nice. The contrast with Trump and Vance is in some ways helpful.
5. Harris comes across as not being very experienced or knowledgeable. Walz may help a bit in this regard.
6. Walz doesn’t come across as pro-Israel as some alternatives.
Enough of how he looks – what do you think he IS?
It seems to me he’s just another genocidal maniac paid to play a minor part in the theater of US govt.
Who wants to take a bet that NOTHING will change regardless of who is selected?
The oligarchs already removed a president-actor (Bidet) in a soft coup and selected a replacement with no input from the slaves.
But I bet some of you will still vote in Nov, hoping you are “making a difference”
Oh and BTW, do you still believe there was an ass-asination attempt on Trump? Of course you do…
Data canters use up 21% of electricity in Ireland, through Tim Morgans website. So now Ireland has 43% of criminal activity by ‘migrants’, and 21% of their electricity used up by multinationals. Keep working lads…. Haggis, anyone?
I’d say; Haggis for the migrants, and taxes for the data centers. Or start worrying the host will come for you.
And no, halal_haggis is not the solution.
The Irish are still making some extremely delicious Cheddar cheese though, for the moment at least.
A March 2024 article says that 22% of Irelands population was born overseas.
https://gript.ie/22-of-population-of-ireland-born-overseas-new-figures-show/
I know that there are a lot of big companies “domiciled” in Ireland. My former employer, Willis Towers Watson, is now domiciled in Ireland. I worked for Towers Watson before the merger with Willis, which was conveniently domiciled in Ireland.
I took Ireland as an example for the state we are in, because i got the numbers of electricity usage through Morgans website. I watch a lot of mma sports because, well, it is top sport in many ways. Like the world economy.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/ufc/conor-mcgregor-twitter-dublin-riots-b2453276.html
Never been in Ireland but to me it seems like a basket case to what is happening in the West. The ‘pure’ west. A beautiful small country, taken to the slaughterhouse by external powers.
In Denmark, you cannot buy a vacation home in the countryside if you’re not Danish. In my opinion, a respectful approach to the population.
And there it is; respect. Thanks for reply Gail.
I’m worried, just as you. Waving palestinian fags is just a tool for those who got us here in the first place.
And that wasn’t a typo.
As energy used up its affordablity, capital used up its credibilaty. It really is that simple. And in that order. Socialism is just another wrong answer.
not “used up”, not the past tense.
energy is still easily and widely affordable throughout much of the world.
the world is at or very near peak energy production and consumption.
also there is still lots of capital throughout the world, since capital derives from surplus energy.
it really is that simple.
Right now, rising debt seems to act as capital, but it is becoming increasingly clear that this rising debt has less and less behind it. At some point, this debt bubble has to collapse. It doesn’t look like we are very far away.
okay then debt acting as capital also is supported by surplus energy.
every day, the world economy has a bit less future surplus energy, and at some point there will not be enough for IC to continue.
This is a bit like saying that every day the Titanic has a bit less future buoyancy and at some point there will not be enough for the ship to continue floating. But in the meantime, if you still have a deckchair, enjoy the cruise, baby!
sure the olde Titanic trope can be applied often.
if the Titanic had X hours to sink, maybe IC will have X years.
most of us seem to agree that it will sink, just differ on our guesses on the timing.
David, in my opinion debt is already replaced by printing. All hands on deck. Shadow banking, Cayman Islands financial assets to gdp 27.000%. All hands on deck to hide the real problem. Japan reversed its misstake, i minor rate hike under carry trade foundations blows up trillions in paper value.
We are sooo far down the rabbit hole. Maybe you should change your screen name. You won’t be posting in a decade.
Over 400 have been arrested so far, and police are trawling through plentiful evidence to bring everyone into the courts. The talk now is of life imprisonment for ‘terrorism’ offenses of inciting or participating in organised violence for political objectives. Things are about to change.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13715079/first-conviction-riot-facebook-posts.html
Armchair thug is first to be convicted for Facebook posts trying to stir up racial hatred during riots: ‘Family man’, 28, faces jail after urging mob to ‘smash the f**k’ out of migrant hotel while sat at home with broken heel
An armchair thug who urged far-right yobs to ‘smash the f**k’ out of a hotel housing asylum seekers was today locked up pending his sentencing.
Jordan Parlour, a 28-year-old sign installer described by his lawyer as a ‘family man’, is the first man to be charged over Facebook posts relating to the violent disorder across the UK.
Parlour – who was unable to take to the streets for violence because he had broken his heel – instead turned to social media to incite protesters to target the Britannia Hotel in Leeds, West Yorkshire.
The hotel, in the Seacroft area of the city and close to Parlour’s home, had been attacked with rocks and a window had been broken – though it was not the scene of mass violence.
It comes after Home Secretary Yvette Cooper yesterday hit out at ‘armchair thugs’ such as Tommy Robinson, who have been fanning the flames of tension online.
The former head of counter-terror policing today likened the worst of the riots to ‘terrorism’ and called a bid to torch a migrant hotel ‘an attempt at a modern day lynching’.
Neil Basu said thugs who tried to burn down a Holiday Inn Express in Rotherham while people were inside should be facing life in jail ‘not a five-year sentence for violent disorder’.
He said the shocking incident on Sunday was an example of a serious act of violence that was ‘designed to cause terror’ and ‘people should look very carefully’ at the legal definition of terrorism.
Mr Basu, who served as Britain’s leading counter-terror officer from 2018 to 2021, called for long sentences for those guilty of the most serious offences.
‘Trying to set ablaze a building with people inside, whom you have made clear you detest, is an act of violence against people and property with a racial cause designed to intimidate a section of the public – be it Muslims or asylum seekers,’ he told the Guardian.
‘Not only does it fit the definition of terrorism, it is terrorism. It’s nothing short of an attempt at a modern day lynching and the people who did it should be facing life imprisonment, not a five-year sentence for violent disorder.’
Mr Basu also called for those organising the violence to face prosecution.
‘We overestimate the intelligence of thugs. They don’t think about the consequences of their actions until it’s too late, but jail a few and the others will run back under cover. They are bullies and cowards,’ he said.
Unfortunately, we are dealing with “not enough to go around,” with current resources and population. The Middle East, including Israel and Palestine, are particularly affected.
Living standards are stagnant in Britain rather than in decline. It remains a stable society with a growing economy. Unemployment is at historically low levels and the workforce continues to expand.
The present disturbances are a few hundred mainly middle aged blokes gathered in cities here and there in the north, and nothing compared to the 2011 riots that spread from Tottenham through the country.
The far right have all outed themselves and they are being rounded up by the police. Everyone else has been really cool and left them to it.
Hopefully there will be another generation before resource limits really start to bite here. Time will tell.
About 40% of youngsters in Britain are of other backgrounds now and that will easily be a very clear majority within another generation as it rises at about 1.3% per year.
It is always interesting to see what happens and that sort of becomes the ‘point’ of life after a time.
We only ever get to see ‘chapters’ rather than any ‘end’ to the story as there are always other chapters on the way.
I suppose that we have to avoid aching for a quick and ‘dramatic conclusion’ that gives ‘coherence’ to an apparanetly meaningles life experience of history.
You say,
“Living standards are stagnant in Britain rather than in decline. It remains a stable society with a growing economy.”
When I look at energy consumption per capita in the UK, based on the latest “Statistical Review of World Energy,” energy consumption per capita fell by -4.7%. In fact, over the last 10 years, the energy consumption per capita has fallen by an average of -2.6%.
There are a lot of poor people from other countries moving into the UK. Also, today’s young people are not as well off as their parents in many ways. Fewer people can afford their own automobiles. Statista shows that 2016 was the peak year for automobile sales in the UK. UK’s population is not dropping the same way.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/265959/vehicle-sales-in-the-uk/
UK, like the US, lives in a debt bubble. To the extent that things look good, it is because an ever-growing debt bubble makes statistics look good. But this debt bubble is on the edge of breaking. It is what is holding up banks and stock markets. Very low interest rates and loose credit kept it growing, and 2020 gave the debt bubble a huge surge. But now it looks like it is on the edge of coming back down. This could be a major problem.
Yep, most of us are feeling the pinch here in Blighty. Lucky for us the weather is so wonderful over here…
It must be a great relief for you to learn from Mirror that British living standards are merely stagnant and not in actual decline.
Meanwhile, the chocolate ration for good little proles is being increased from 50 g to 40 g a week and there are no restrictions on the sale of Victory Ale or Gin. And freedom of expression is absolutely guaranteed for all speech meeting the Government’s acceptable speech criteria. Who could ask for more?
Yes, Blighty today this is indeed the best of all possible dystopias. No wonder millions of denizens from less happier lands want to set up home on this sceptered isle. And their presence is guaranteed to keep the tax base pumped up and prevent a collapse in house prices to levels where an ordinary working-class couple could afford to contemplate taking out a mortgage.
According to what we are seeing now in England is a civil war . People who see themselves as poor are taking it out on migrants . But things will only get worse as diminishing returns accelerates. This A.I. Revolution will add even more people to this civil war. The workers that will be displaced with A.I. will only increase from here on . Once migrants and native british subjects start losing their jobs their new enemy will be technology or A.I. . Will the elders save us from collapse . I think they will but only for the prepared. 99 % of the world’s population will all become irrelevant in this ‘BRAVE NEW WORLD’.
It is not even close to a civil war.
The tacit signal that has been sent out is for everyone to sit it out while the police round up the racists.
Never interrupt your enemy while they are making a complete idiot of themselves in public and getting themselves locked up.
Britain will be stronger as a multicultural society for this major clear up of disruptive racist elements.
It is all part of the ‘organization struggle’ of any society to incorporate useful elements and to eliminate disruptive elements and that is par for the course.
The Labour government will have five or maybe ten years to draw ‘the lessons’ and to implement new legislation to clamp down.
The British state is extremely good at doing its job of managing disruptive elements and likely thousands are headed behind bars in the coming weeks.
The protestors will have the entirely opposite effect to what they intended.
The idea that they were about to disrupt the society and that the British state would sit back and let that happen is frankly laughable.
They will lose and very badly and tellingly so.
What racist BS. Britain has always welcomed other societies when they have wanted to intergrate. This has benefited the UK for centuries. The problem arises when you welcome in a group which openly hates you, your religion and all that your society stands for. And has no intention of intergrateing with your society – quite the contrary.
Look at the London underground bombings, the London bus bombings, the murder of our military (e.g Lee Rigby et al), the Manchester Arena bombings, the evil grooming of young girls for six, and on and on. The establishment of Sharia law in parts of the UK. Preferential treatment in housing, education and sadly too often, the Law.
Societies in Europe have major problems with one specific group who contribute little to the place where they have arrived.
So no, sorry but your ill-informed racist comment is simply wrong.
The problem arises when you welcome in a group which openly hates you, your religion and all that your society stands for.
Like the democrats?
“Britain has always welcomed other societies”
Windrush?
“all that your society stands for”
Define this, or admit it’s made up rubbish.
London bombings were almost certainly committed by the same people that set up the emergency morgue the day before the bombings, wouldn’t you say?
You fell for the Rigby story. Easily led eh?
Manchester bombing apparently commited by a man banned from travelling, but when stopped by customs, a quick call to the SS handler and he was on his way. Then needs extracting from Libya and no less than a war ship was sent to pick him up, because Manchester was already set. You knew that though, right?
Grooming is the preserve of the white man(89% but make up only 81% of the male population, compared to less than 1% for those you lie about, who make up 6% of the male population), who beats all other groups when it comes to kiddie fiddling. Strangely, as the numbers of those you so fear rises, sex crimes against children have decreased.
If only you had done some research before repeating idiotic ramblings of hate, or maybe you, Yaxley Lennon and the others are the Jimmy Savile appreciation society and come out with this rubbish to hide your own and your heroes deviance.
If you have evidence of Sharia law being practiced in Britain, you should stop hiding it, as I’m sure the courts would be interested to know that they have been demoted.
Short excerpt from a live ITV News interview with Peter Power, the Managing Director of Crisis Management firm Visor Consultants who was ‘actually running an exercise… based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations that happened’.
Recorded at 8:20pm on the evening of the London Bombings.
Civil war? This was a trap and the muppets fell for it. Now they’ll receive lengthy jail sentences. And a civil war with what exactly? Stones and broken bottles?
Keir Starmer (UK Prime Minister) is struggling for legitimacy. Incidents like this just play into his hands, he gets to be the law and order PM and roll out face recognition technology at the same time.
Serious question: I don’t understand why those white supremacist racist bullies and cowards couldn’t get a single one of those buildings to burn down.
Ukrainians, Rwandans, Nigerians and thugs of many other nationalities have no problems burning their victims to death. Indian Hindus and Muslims have demolished thousands of each other’s temples and mosques over the centuries, not always waiting for the occupants to get out.
In peaceful Japan, where Harmony reigns supreme and nobody is considered beyond the pale, there was a case in 2019 in which an aspiring manga artist who believed he had been cheated of his ideas burned down the offices of the animation studio he had a grudge against, killing 36 people in the process. His weapon was a few dozen litres of gasoline that he bought at a local gas station and wheeled into the front entrance.
So I think these British rioters must be really really really dumb bunnies …….
OR ………..
OR ………..
OR ………
I hesitate to say the word
Or this whole story of trying to burn down buildings with people in it is another psyop.
The British state are very good at psyops. I’ll give ’em that.
must be those crisis actors again tim
they get in on the act everywhere
You see it Tim. Notice the emphasis on the crack down of easily led nobodies and not a single world about the organisers. Yaxley Lennon and the others of his ilk are all sponsored by Zionist organisations. Yaxley Lennon gets £10k+ a month and all his legal expenses paid(millions) by one and his English defence league is affiliated with the illegal encampments own version. The Zionist organisations have been heavily pushing this to turn people against the followers of Islam, in an attempt to reduce the hate towards their own crimes. It’s no coincidence that it’s happening right now.
Also notice the security service operative now presiding in number 10, gleefully calling for exceptionally long sentences for throwing a stone(were have I seen that before?) and keep an eye on how this will be defined in a way that all unsponsored protest, including peaceful protest against government legislation, will become illegal(fear not, you’ll still be able to protest for climate and men that say they’re women(both heavily sponsored)).
The authorities could of course have broken up these disturbances before they became problematic, but that wouldn’t have given the optics needed to bring in such legislation. It’s 2020 all over again(although they kicked the shit out of peaceful protesters then) and as then, everyone will stare and shake their fist at the imaginary squirrel without ever noticing that they’ve just given even more of their freedom away(for their own protection of course) to the very people that deliberately brought this about. These people are so thick, do they think the Manchester airport beating was another coincidence? No, it was a message on what’s allowed. They should be sent back to school, with a couple of hundred hours community service in a mosque, rather than prison.
“White supremacists, racist bullies”.
I haven’t written a comment to a blog for many years and this will be my last. Having spent most of my life working in some quite remote areas and a lot of time spent with AF your comment made me laugh. (Inc the Israeli’s for whom I used to have great respect for. And almost being stabed by excited Palestinians on one occasion).
Possibly you work for one of the US or UK gov units? I neither know nor care.
The people demonstrating in the UK now are for the most part ordinary working people who have seen their country overrun by, in the most part by people who have no interest in contributing to their society. And are openly hostile to the original al population.I refer to one specific group. Many true refugees and true asylum seekers are great people.
The young and often middle aged local people are and for some time seen little future. Many / most have lost hope. While successive Governments pander to the will of ‘not so deserving’ arrivals.
Safe in your Gov office, or in your parents basement you indulge in name calling. White supremacists, thugs, bullies etc.
You don’t or can’t understand that it takes courage to put yourself on the line, when you and your family see little future.
So talk, name calling is cheap. One thing that I have learnt is that the ‘true cowards’ are those who sit and do nothing other than write nonsense comments. I am certain that you would not say to the faces of the demonstrators ((or mine) that they are cowards.
They need to learn from the Irish. They know how to raise against the crown.
So in Birmingham, England, the riots have disturbed the hornets’ nest, and the adherents of the Muzhlim cult, who are many, came out to “defend” themselves by attacking a pub – or given all the Palestinian flags, perhaps to defend Palestine. And you thought this was England? I foresaw this sort of thing when I was 15, but it’s been a long time coming. England is now a country of several potential Trojan horses, it seems.
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We won’t get fooled again, by the Who.
“We’ll be fighting in the street, with our children at our feet”
Street Fighting Man – Rod Stewart’s version
Not a great song, but I prefer this version to the original by the Rolling Stones
“Everywhere I hear the sound of marching charging feet, boy
‘Cause summer’s here and the time is right for fighting in the street, boy”
Yes, summer’s here, and the heat is just right for riots.
“Street Fighting Man” was written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. Those who knew Jagger back then said that he abhorred socialism and communism. He was basically a middle-class boy from Kent who affected a ridiculous false working-class London accent.
He was a poser who preferred alcohol to drugs. When busted for drugs in 1967, for possession of four over-the-counter pep pills he had purchased in Italy, he had to appear in court in London. When sentenced to prison, the creep actually burst into tears.
In later years Keith Richards mocked him for craving a knighthood. Apparently Queen Elizabeth II despised him so much that she persuaded her son Charles to knight Jagger instead.
Earlier this year, and last year, I read a spate of obituaries for a few of Jagger’s contemporaries and then read brief biographical overviews of them. What was hilarious was how many of them, male and female, claimed to have bedded the old creep! He’s 81 now and still going strong – more’s the pity. 🙁
‘Mod’ originally was a small group of cosmopolitan Londoners into American modern jazz, Satre and existentialism. ‘Mod’ was distinct from ‘trad’ jazz.
The scene and its fashions were soon commercialsed, dumbed down and spread through the lower classes as the traditional uptight class model collapsed with increased affluence and discretional spending.
It drew in a lot of kids with social and mental health problems, impulse control issues and a lack of mature judgement, who ended up on booze, prescription amphetamines and in street fights.
The mods quickly moved on to the psychedelic and acid rock scenes while the ‘hard mods’ formed the skinhead scene and got into Afro-Caribbean culture.
None of them were racists.
Quadrophenia is a great, if appallingly sad, album. People can listen to it without really understanding the historical social rupture and drug fuelled mental health crisis that it is about. The messed up protagonist kills himself at the end.
‘I’m coming down back home on the very first train from town, my dad just left for work and he wasn’t talking, it’s all a game and inside I’m just the same…’
* American modern jazz, [Italian clothing fashions,] Satre and existentialism
Among the OFW regulars, only Norman really knows what it was like to be a Mod or a Rocker in the UK back in the day. Anyone under 70 was born too late for all that. I knew a few ex-Mods back in the seventies, but they had all retired to respectability by then and were nine-to-fiving it and paying off mortgages.
Is it true that none of the Mods were racists?
Depends on who’s flinging the pejorative around. Everyone is a racist in somebody else’s eyes.
Almost everybody I knew when I was a child and a teenager was filled with racist ideas, preconceptions and prejudices. The difference is that some were racist and proud of it and happy to show it, while others were ashamed of it or at least thought that it was not something that should be indulged or wallowed in.
The entire culture of “the four kingdoms” was marinated in a racism that framed the stereotypical views of the English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh toward each other. I seriously doubt that the Mods were unaffected by this milieu.
for once we are in agreement tim
except for the mod and rocker thing—i was, and still am too bloody minded to accept any label
I’d heard that you were a spiv during World War 2, Normanskibergstein. 😉
do an online course in arithmetic zemi
or maybe invest in a calculator
it might lend credibility to your smartass comments
You and I are often in agreement, Norman. Although, of course one tries one’s best to find areas of uncommon ground. 🙂
You’ve reminded me of a conversation I had with an ex-Mod named Mike, who I used to work with in a West End post office. Mike had a knack for stereotyping people and certain other things—summing them up with neat, cute labels.
One time, I took offense at one of his more dismissive put downs of someone in the news, and I said to him: “Mike, hang on a minute, you can’t just label things.”
Older and wiser than I, Mike promptly replied, “Of course you can! If you had a bunch of tins of food in the larder and they didn’t have labels on them, you would soon get confused about which was which.”
He smiled a smirking smile, and then we both burst out laughing, because we both knew he was right.
i only worked at a country post office, not so many smart people there—the smartest idiot among us got into the habit of making postal bets on horses and pre-dating the postmarks on the envelopes after the race.
needless to say, that wheeze lasted for 2 races. and got him 9 months.
Norman avoided conscription during WW2 by claiming he hadn’t been born yet. That confused them! So began a life-long habit of fibbing about his age. He still claims to look only 49. 🙁
lol
i dont claim anything..ask around ofw of those who know me, instead of making desperate comments.
i saw a physio the other day about a painful knee (spent too long in church recently)
his comment was ”how do you do it?
Norman wrote:
“i saw a physio the other day about a painful knee (spent too long in church recently)”
IN CHURCH?! Are these the words of an impostor? Norman has always appeared highly sceptical of anything religious or biblical.
fear not zemi
i was making brass rubbings
but thank you for your concern
Too much bench pressing and deadweight lifting flattened Norman’s feet, forcing the recruiting sergeant to reject the lad for military service.
one still has to keep it up
as they say
yesterday—23 sit-to-stands in 30 seconds
i do enjoy providing humour to the assembled throng—any takers on the above~?`…let’s say anyone over 60.
I’ve never tried sit-to-stands, Norman.
Do you do them while holding barbells, or do you whistle The Grand Old Duke of York while performing this feat?
I still run up and down two steps at a time on stairs at train stations—but those Japanese steps are a bit lower than English ones.
And I always leave the bath by rising to my feet and stepping out of the tub without using hands.
What Is a Sit to Stand?
Also known as a chair rise or chair stand, the sit to stand exercise involves sitting down and standing up from a seat without using your hands for assistance. It helps to improve strength and balance in muscles that help you sit down and stand up. It’s also a great exercise for anyone recovering from a surgery that impacts mobility, such as a knee or hip replacement, or for anyone looking to increase core, thigh, hip, or glute strength.
What Muscles Does the Sit to Stand Work?
The sit to stand exercise helps to strengthen your core, which helps you maintain stability in everyday activities, such as walking, reaching for objects, or shifting your weight from one foot to another. The sit to stand also strengthens muscles in your thighs, hips, and butt, including:
Quadriceps: Located at the front of your thigh, these muscles are responsible for extending your knee. They play a crucial role when you’re pushing yourself up to a standing position and controlling your descent back into a seated position.
Hamstrings: Located at the back of your thigh, these muscles work in tandem with your quadriceps to control the motion of sitting and standing. They help in bending the knee and extending the hip joint.
Gluteus maximus: This is the major butt muscle. It’s primarily responsible for hip extension, a key motion when standing up from a seated position.
Erector spinae: These are the muscles that run along your spine and help you maintain an upright posture.
Calves (gastrocnemius and soleus): These muscles help in lifting your heels and stabilizing your ankles when you push off the ground to stand.
Sit to Stand Benefits
By strengthening your core, thighs, hips, and butt, you may notice many benefits, such as:
Improved ability to do everyday activities, such as sitting down, standing up, or climbing stairs without pain
Better balance (which can also help promote independence for some older adults)
Increased mobility, especially in the knees, hips, and ankles
Improved muscular endurance
Easier recovery from a hip or knee injury or surgery
hmmmm tim
i thought my throwaway comment would stimulate exercise in your good self, if only to the extent of cut n paste.–which is why i posted it.
good to know it wasn’t wasted.
like most people, i do like to be right in my thinking.
(Comedonchisciotte, Unz)
“Germany is fu…d”
https://www.unz.com/article/germany-destroyed/
https://comedonchisciotte.org/la-germania-e-fottuta/
Globalization has created a problem for Germany. China can make goods more cheaply than Germany, now. Its quality is getting a lot better.
Germany is short of energy supplies, but this is not mentioned in these articles. It is losing its distinctive culture as well.
Losing its coherence is a polite way of putting it.
The Berlin Wall has nothing on the walls currently under çon-struction.
Recipe for divide and conquer; division along financial, ethnic, religious, racing-lines, politics etc.
EIA has posted a figure for world crude oil production last April (81.764 mb/d) — this is lower than their number for April 2023 (81.828).
Oil prices of late ( https://oil-price.net/ ) evoke wonder whether post-covid peak oil is past? ( https://davecoop.net/seneca )
https://www.eia.gov/international/data/world/petroleum-and-other-liquids/monthly-petroleum-and-other-liquids-production?pd=5&p=0000000000000000000000000000000000vg&u=0&f=M&v=mapbubble&a=-&i=none&vo=value&&t=C&g=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001&l=249-ruvvvvvfvtvnvv1vrvvvvfvvvvvvfvvvou20evvvvvvvvvvnvvvs0008&s=94694400000&e=1711929600000
Crude oil production recently seems to be sort of on a bumpy plateau.
I notice that one country with definitely lower crude oil production between April 2023 and April 2024 is Saudi Arabia. Its production for April 2023 is 10.8 million barrels of oil per day. Production for April 2024 is 9.47 million barrels of oil per day. This is a drop of 1.33 million barrels of crude oil per day. April 2023 was a “high” month in 2023, but this is part of what is pushing amounts around.
Saudi Arabia may truly be running short of crude oil to extract. Whenever oil price is low, it lets production fall.
The advertising cartel is to some extent behind the one-sided version of news stories we hear. (Or perhaps it is the businesses who pay for this advertising who are behind the one-sided stories. After all, everyone likes a “happily ever after story.”)
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rumble-joins-x-massive-lawsuit-against-advertising-cartel
Rumble Joins X In Massive Lawsuit Against ‘Advertising Cartel’
Social media platform X has filed a lawsuit against an ‘advertising cartel’ who have colluded to control online speech, as revealed on last month by an interim staff report released by the House Judiciary Committee.
In a Tuesday filing against the Global Alliance for Responsible Media (GARM) and several members – including CVS Health, Mars, Orsted and Unilever, X alleges that the group abused its influence over marketers and ad agencies to unfairly discriminate against X, prompting an ad boycott.
“These actions were all against the unilateral self-interest of the advertisers; they made economic sense only in furtherance of a conspiracy performed in the confidence that competing advertisers were doing the same,” reads the complaint.
New video by Kevin Walmsley:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d2CJrodL98
CHIPS Act update: Intel runs out of time and money, announces layoffs in US to double down on China
China and the Far East are where all of the industry is; where the STEM graduates are concentrated; where future growth seems most likely. This is why this part of the world appeals to companies hoping for growth.
Intel is now announcing big layoffs in the US, but expanding in China at the same time. Intel has set up a venture capital arm, which is investing in Chinese firms. The Treasury Department of the US is working on proposed rules to put an end to this kind of activity, hoping for them to become final later in 2024.
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We all know that China is running into problems, too. But, to Kevin Walmsley, the grass is greener on the Chinese side of the street. Intel’s recent financial results show it is having major financial problems here in the US, with or without the hoped-for CHIPS act financial subsidies. So, it is trying to get the benefit of hoped-for better financial results there.
To me, the US is an inefficient producer of semiconductor chips. AI is not really working out as hoped in the US (and perhaps in China, also). It is impossible to hide this problem by putting up rules to keep the competition out, or tariffs to keep the competition out. Chip production is similar to energy production: It needs to be very inexpensive, and work in today’s applications, to be helpful.
Gail,
you said earlier:
“About all we can do is try to postpone the inevitable collapse.”
Although I can see the case for attempting a gradual decline, if that is possible, doesn’t ‘postponing the inevitable collapse’ simply allow us to pollute and destroy more of the biosphere than we would otherwise do?
Now, if we used the time gained by postponement to clean things up for post-industrial humanity as much as possible, and to try and develop skills for the future, then all well and good, but I assume we are all in agreement that that unfortunately would not be the case.
Nature has polluted itself in various places around the world, like tar sands in Canada and Venezuela.
Nature also lets quite a lot of oil seep out from the ocean floor.
and Nature produces huge amounts of SeeOweTwo.
Nature has been cleaning up after itself for billions of years and will continue to do so.
no stopping Nature from continuing to do its thing, and degrowth and depop will help ever so slightly.
“Tar sands” (as you call them) of Canada and Venezuela are what give us diesel, and keep our systems going. We do not adequately recognize how important they are. We look at outward appearances, not their role in the overall system.
“SeeOweTwo” is what allows plants to grow. We need it as well. We could not eat without it.
I think that the thing we miss is that ecosystems of all kinds have been constructed to adapt to change. Change is very much expected in a finite world. Nothing is expected to stay the same, except perhaps in models by financial types, hoping to “prove” that their investment will prove to be profitable for “n” years.
We have been told over and over again that what we are doing is wrong. No, it isn’t; it is just the way the system works.
We should expect the climate to change. We should expect that virtually all species, including humans, will go extinct (unless God intervenes). That is always the way it has been; that is the way it will be.
Forests go through cycles. They are intended to burn down from time to time. In fact, some types of trees cannot reproduce, unless they go through burn cycles.
It isn’t our problem to fix. But it makes a good story to tell folks. The system will fix itself. It will kick us off, if other species are better adapted to the changing system. For example, green plants tend to prosper with higher CO2.
@Gail, your argument is self-contradictory. We, meaning humans, are a part of nature by definition. It makes no sense to say that nature takes its course and we can’t change it, because we’re changing it just by existing in nature. Even deciding not to change anything is, again by definition, part of the process of change.
Might be of interest to Gail
The Ties That Bind – Crane Emerges as Pivotal Hub in the Permian’s Evolving Oil Connectivity Monday, 08/05/2024 Published by: Taylor Noland
https://rbnenergy.com/the-ties-that-bind-crane-emerges-as-pivotal-hub-in-the-permians-evolving-oil-connectivity
Lots of charts and diagrams..
With crude exports well above their late-2019 levels, the four Permian-to-Corpus pipelines out of Crane are now operating at capacity, with some operators looking at expansions. For example, Enbridge and its partners recently sanctioned a 120-Mb/d expansion of the Gray Oak pipeline following a successful open season. Gray Oak is already the largest capacity pipe to Corpus. As for Longhorn, the other crude oil pipeline originating in Crane, it too has been running at or near capacity in recent months. Does that mean that flows through Crane are maxed out? Yes and no. As we noted earlier, there are several pipelines that move oil between Crane and Midland. Enterprise has a pipeline that can move crude from Crane to its Midland hub where Enterprise’s Midland-to-ECHO II (ME II) pipeline to the Houston area originates, which is currently in NGL service (and temporarily known as the Seminole Pipeline) but slated to be converted back to crude service in mid-2025 when Enterprise’s new 600-Mb/d Bahia NGL pipeline comes online in the first half of 2025. The Plains Oryx JV also has a bi-directional line between Crane and Midland (brown line between Crane and Midland in Figure 2).
Until there is additional Permian pipeline capacity built to Corpus, we anticipate Corpus exports will remain relatively constant with most of the Permian oil production growth headed to Houston.
So, the ship is sailing along…
I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some people who think that the ‘Perm’ in ‘Permian’ stands for ‘Permanent’.
I have been told (by someone who used to work for Saudi Aramco) that in Saudi Arabia, the pipeline infrastructure maximum capacity was decided upon long ago. Regardless of what we may hear, Saudi Arabia cannot really raise production above the maximum capacity. They have a lot of storage tanks and other storage capability, so that they can keep some supply off line. That way, if production needs to seem to surge, they can put some of the stored supply into sales on a temporary basis. But really, Saudi Arabia has no ability to surge above its pipeline capacity. That is why the production stays pretty level. Saudi Arabia also reduces production when the price falls too low.
I expect the issue is similar for the Permian Basin. Pipeline capacity determines how much can be produced. Whether or not Hubbert said something about the shape of the curve, pipeline capacity makes a whole lot of difference. The Permian Basin has been adding more area in New Mexico in recent years. But it is never possible to pump out more than there is pipeline capacity to take. This is why the Hubbert model isn’t quite right. Actual production can be longer and flatter than we might expect, if the price stays high enough.
If the price stays high enough? Yes that’s true for a lot of wells but but the real issue is what does that price have to be? A recession will slow consumption but the lower price will slow production. I saw on the oily blog that the Permian is in decline
Total weekly oil supply estimates for the US are at the highest level ever, according to the EIA. 13.3 million bpd.
I downloaded the Permian estimates by the EIA from this location.
https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/data.php#crude
They indicate that the Permian production has been more or less level since November-December 2023.
This could be maxed out production, or maxed out pipeline capacity, or both. But at this point, the EIA is not pointing to actual decline. The EIA has been known to change its recent estimates, however.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/06/politics/tim-walz-harris-vice-president/index.html
If K chose Governor Josh Shapiro of PA, she would have won easily since he would have made sure PA would be in Democratic fold
but she chose, or someone chose it for her, a governor of a solidly blue state
Now I understand the blueness of Dennis L.
I am a non partisan, not really having any expectations on politicians, but I also recognize a danger of an Atlas Shrugged which will occur if (no longer when since Shapiro was not chosen) she wins.
Not important in the grand scheme of things Kulm. Also, the power rests with those who count the votes, not with those who vote.
Shapiro would have counted the PA vote if he were selected
But now he would count the vote with a bit less enthusiasm
all they need to do is get in a room with covered windows after 3am after election day in philadelphia, and they will count the urban votes, and pennsylvania will switch. all these electoral strategies are not worth the bits they are printed on.
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election
Kamala ahead in betting circles.
Betting done by those who want USA to die
Non Americans would rather see USA crash and burn, but if USA does that, these countries won’t be far too behind
This time they do know these tricks so Atlas Shrugged will occur
An editorial with a negative view of Walz ran in the WSJ. It says:
Of course, if today’s big economic problem is keeping the debt bubble inflated, maybe what a politician wants is someone who will come up with ways to push up debt levels to even higher levels. If the new debt is for taking care of other people, this is arguably a better choice than investment in energy projects that don’t really work.
News Flash: In a stunning result, little know actuary and fossil fuel expert Gail Tverberg wins the US Presidential Election as a grass roots, write in candidate, stunning even the Babylon Bee.
To make things even more amazing, an alien armada from the insertnamehere solar system showed up to provide ‘advance security’ for President Tverberg so she can level with the American People and the World, create a rational program to move the country forward, and implement the program without any fear.
President Tverberg, the world want’s to know. What is your program for America?
Serious question. What would Your program be for the US right now?
Neptune7
One perspective from: https://stateofthenation.co/?p=243901
“At this point, if they actually attempted to cut spending and act rationally, we’d experience a deflationary depression, with massive unemployment, foreclosures, defaults, starvation, and cities burning. It seems too convenient the covid scamdemic arrived just as the gears of our financial system were seizing up due to lack of debt creation oil…”
The author ends with this:
“My efforts to try and influence enough people to alter our course and avoid the iceberg, which will sink this empire, have failed. I guess they were destined to fail during this Fourth Turning, just as there is no way to avoid the Winter season. We must face the gauntlet of killer storms ahead with fortitude, courage, and a willingness to do whatever it takes to leave a livable future for our children and future generations.”
“There will be blood, that is certain. Innocent people will die. That is a fact of war. We are already in a war for the future of our civilization, whether you acknowledge it or not. They have been trying to demoralize the good people, who still make up of the majority of Americans, by declaring the abnormal degenerate beliefs of 1% should override the normal, rational, moral beliefs of the 99%. If we continue allowing these evil miscreant psychopaths to dictate the course of our country through their Great Reset/Great Taking schemes, all will be lost. This Fourth Turning may end in the destruction of our country, and possibly our planet.”
“Our enemies are humans – despicable humans, but humans just the same. They bleed and die just like us. We are all going to have to decide whether we are willing to live in an authoritarian dystopia, with a boot on our face forever, or whether we are willing to die for a cause greater than us. We know our enemies consider us to be expendable parasites and will slaughter us by the millions to maintain their power, control, and wealth.”
“The globalist billionaires, their puppet politicians, media mouthpieces, corporate lackeys, feckless bankers, and obedient apparatchiks inserted throughout the government bureaucracy, all have families and addresses. Fear works both ways. Those 300 million firearms are mostly in the hands of the good guys. The time for hard choices is approaching rapidly. I pray enough make the right choices before it blows.”
No matter what they throw at us, Fear Not. Everybody dies. Meet your Maker with a smile on your face and the knowledge that you fought the good fight to the end.
Neptune7
Stupid in, stupid out. All humans are parasites. Leeching off of the energy of nature. Even more so the bombings in middle east for oil, slaves in Africa for that idiot to type on the keyboard as if he was any different from the ”psychopaths”. Elites did not breed infinitely.
I am not certain that I have a good solution to our problems.
About all we can do is try to postpone the inevitable collapse. To do this, we might try to stay out of World War III. But whether doing this is entirely helpful is unknown to me. It might be that World War III would decrease the number of people in multiple parts of the world, and somehow help the situation. With fewer people, the fuel available would go further.
Cutting off exports of fossil fuels probably wouldn’t work because the system is finely balanced today. We cannot just use our own fossil fuels; for example, we need imports of heavy oil from Canada, thinned so it will flow easily with natural gas liquids that we export to Canada for that purpose. We trade one kind of fossil fuel for another. We earn revenue by using our refining capabilities.
Trying to focus resources on maintaining key infrastructure is not likely to work very well. We in the US have limited industrial capacity. We depend on the willingness of China and other countries to trade with us to keep up our electricity transmission system, our roads, and our railroads.
Telling people how bad things are tends to make people depressed and unhappy. They would be more willing to take down the current government. This would get us nowhere.
Perhaps all we can do is in terms of individual preparedness. For example, families might want to try to move closer together (parents and adult children with perhaps some grandchildren). That way, they can help each other, to the extent possible.
If as many people get jobs as possible now, it will help keep demand up. Also, if there are multiple job-holders in a family, there will be some partial protection against layoffs.
We are retired & just got a place with adult child/spouse & grandchildren. Just like Gail says here! We are out of the worst part of Minneapolis, which is an enormous relief. If a working adult’s car goes, there is our retiree car. The adults don’t have to travel to three different places in our terrible winter (to be together). One of those survival compounds FE used to mock would be nice, but this is what we can manage. It feels like going back in time.
A name that has been floated for a possible cabinet position Ed Pell is talking about bio-regionalism. As he explains it to Georgians “if you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen” and to Minnesotans “that is what thermal under ware is for”. Pell proposes fast tracking citizenship for Canadians willing work in the US north without heat and for Ecuadorians and such will to work in the US south without air conditioning.
Pell further proposes abandoning the federal highway system and instead installing a federal rail system for critical infrastructure such as farming and food distribution.
Pundits say he is a shoe-in for senate approval as he has derided both parties equally.
Railways. The life blood of our inland civilization, and from there, the trucks.
Two songs in tribute to those who built our railways:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG9-7WmeSdc
(Chestor Thomas gives a passionate performance on drums. And a great tribute to fathers who died in tunnel collapses as they were driving their last spike)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXzauTuRG78
At least my parents left Ramsey County St Paul, MN after my birth.
Derided both parties equally? That’s one thing both sides can get behind getting rid of someone who says the truth! Poor guy..
First off, you are a terrible politician Gail.
Can you imagine Trump saying “I am not certain that I have a good solution to our problems?”
Something that just happened in my life might fit here. I recently asked the Creator in prayer to bring any weaknesses in our farm setup to my attention.
Without going into the details, here in Canada we have an enormous number of people who have sadly become 100% dependant on one form of government handout or other. We rent out some small trailer lots on the farm, and it began to look as if we might end up with all or mostly renters who were on social assistance.
Miraculously, all of the people on the dole are leaving and hardworking tradespeople are taking their spots. That is who we really want here on the farm.
So, suggestion is, check out how dependant you are on people who are themselves dependant on the dole. Try to get away from that dependancy if you can?
Thanks for humouring my comment Gail.
N7
Our ancestors managed to survive without fossile fuels, Hollywood entertainment and fancy jabs. That is a fact! We might speculate about ancient high technology, like for example Graham Hancock does. But we cannot prove, that ancient high technology was crucial for humans to survive. What we see in archeology, is, that people found solutions in their current situation. But these were rather complex, so we can definitely talk about traded technology. So we can resume, humans can survive without fossilr fuels but it is not easy.
In the moment our industrialized world stops as a consequence of financial troubles and scarce resources, our systems will become obsolete. To give an example: if a family owns a house with garden in a suburb but cannot feed the family from that garden now, it is unlikely they can do it in future. Any further agriculture or livestock must be at another place as suburbs are not made to grow grain and keep bulls. There is no energy and no technology to commute to these fields.
So the house becomes worthless. It was not build under aspects of military security, when warlords look for useful things. There is no material close to maintain the house. When the roof is leaky it cannot be repaired with birch bark and sods or shingles, because these have a higher weight than modern materials and the construction wont be able to hold the load. The family might want to consult a book in the family library about how to calculate the dimensions but there are no reading glasses and even if they knew how to make glass in the garden or reuse some old jars, they wont be able to produce optical glass.
The kids grew up with the sheep and cannot concentrate on so many letters to read aloud whole books. There would be the possibility for this little society to produce some silk for basic surgery, but they forgot to get some mulberries and bombyx mori in time and there is no trade to China anymore, sp suefery knowledge will not be handed down by the kids.
The Bronze age cultures did have trade and technology and were able to pass knowledge on to their children. When our systems fail, we have to develop all that from scratch.
It would be possible to develop these technologies now, and “prepare”, perhaps the Amish do it or some homesteaders. But there is no way how to aale such knowledge and to communicate it to any larger groups, living in skyscrapers, in times of blackout and failure of all supply lines.
People wont have food and therefore no energy for great explorations. They will lay down in their beds to save energy and wait for some cocaine addict in the government to find a solution and after some weeks they will be too weak for any fuether activities.
I admit, I doubt, that the current president of the US were able to start some initiative in such a moment. The German Foreign Minister does not know, that s circle is divided into 360 degrees. The leading person in the EU is in the eyes of many people a criminal and has not the integrity to act like Churchill at the home front.
From my point of view, the coming wars are resource wars: Europe wants to make Aserbajdshan with drilling rights in the Caspian Sea join EU. China contracted the Iranian oil, so any differences between Israel and Iran will lead to a war China/Nato. Perhaps the US may develop the Venezolan oil industry. And above all is the unevitable crash of the financial markets as degrowth means, credits can never be paid back.
30% of those, who came in contact with the Spike protein, that may be 100%, suffer of mental problems for 6 months. The mechanism is known and explained. This makes it less likely, we as a society will find solutions. Perhaps there are none.
Elon Musk promised cheap shuttles to the moon until 2023. Rhis goal has been buried recently. I suppose a lot of great ideas will have to be buried soon.
she’s got my vote
“Only those who do not seek power are qualified to hold it.”
― Plato
(Giuseppe Masala post on telegram + relative links)
“mRNA vaccines have caused 17 millions deaths all of the world.”
“The largest global excess mortality study in history has been published, confirming how mRNA from Covid vaccines caused the deaths of 17 million people. The tally was revealed by a major investigation by Canadian researchers, a study conducted by the Canadian nonprofit organization Correlation Research in the Public Interest and the University of Quebec at Trois-Rivières.
Among the named authors were Denis Rancourt, Ph.D., a professor of physics who headed the University of Ottawa for 23 years; Correlation President Joseph Hickey, Ph.D.; and Christian Linard, Ph.D., of the University of Quebec.
The same research group had published a study last month showing that COVID19 caused no excess deaths during or after the pandemic, despite widespread claims by health agencies around the world.
Instead, the vaccine used to counter the virus caused millions of excess deaths globally. The study, the largest to date, included an analysis conducted on 2.7 billion people-about 35 percent of the world’s population. Researchers analyzed data on excess mortality in 125 countries.
The study covers the pandemic period, starting with the March 11, 2020 pandemic declaration by the World Health Organization and ending on May 5, 2023, when the agency declared the pandemic over.
The researchers found that vaccine toxicity increased with age and the number of doses. Based on their calculations, extrapolated globally, the researchers estimated that vaccines caused about 17 million deaths.
They noted that this figure confirms the results of other previous research done on a smaller data sample.”
https://correlation-canada.org/covid-excess-mortality-125-countries/?fbclid=IwY2xjawEeFbtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHc1bRLDJ0urZAsd5vQ0VEmpk-G_AN36gM76XLox1GvnX462uVR_cU_pWew_aem_Yyj0TMAQ3UnAdJYStHoVWg
https://t.me/giuseppemasala/46731
Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
Safe and effective
As 17 is more than 6 does that make it a super-holocaust?
Come on, big difference between euthanizes and genocide.
The result is the same: murder most foul.
“The largest renewable energy project in history fails: only desert is left and we have lost $2 billion” (in Morocco)
https://www.ecoticias.com/en/energy-largets-project-fails/909/
The article you quote I believe is being overly dramatic. $2 billion has not been lost. The project has been delayed.
Except for the title and some dramatic material, the article seems to be similar to this article from Reuters from February.
https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/moroccan-solar-plans-hampered-by-dispute-over-technology-2024-02-27/
Morocco cannot use the intermittent electricity from solar panels. CSP is not well enough developed, according to the dispute. What kind of storage to use with solar panels is being discussed, it sounds like. Probably bid at too low a price, relative to what the total cost would be with the storage technology available.
Game, set and match . The Permian is depleting faster than calculated . The end of growth is the beginning of collapse .
https://blog.gorozen.com/blog/the-permian-basin
>> The industry was not turning Tier 2 into Tier 1 but, instead, was aggressively depleting its inventory of top-quality wells.
oilystuffblog / Mike Shellman covered this as well
The authors now feel that the Permian Basin will reach 50% of the amount it can totally produce in the fourth quarter of 2024, so that production will level off.
They show an interesting chart of production from the Permian, Eagle Ford, and Bakken fields here. Eagle Ford and Bakken have already leveled off.
https://4043042.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/4043042/Blog/2023%20Blogs/2023.06%20Shale%20Production%20Trends.png
Based on what they are saying, it would seem to me that what they are really talking about is perhaps a flat plateau for a while; no more growth in production.
At the beginning of the article, it says:
I am not sure that what they are saying now is very different from what they were saying in 2018. Twelve months from now is clearly 2025. They don’t seem to be necessarily be pointing to a sharp step down, although one could occur. I would think low oil price would be the big thing pulling production down, as it did in 2020.
Maybe they are not good with math 🧮
Maff is herd.
It’s from 2023, so they weren’t being too conservative… I guess. Then again one may challenge the official numbers. Let’s just split the difference and call it somewhere between next Tuesday and next decade.
I should have noticed the article was from 06/30/2023.
So far, the forecasted decline has not started, as far as we know.
Don’t worry Austin Goolsbee says everything is fine!!!😂
Google this guy and you’ll be worried
don’t worry, Sam!!
Joe Biden will handle it!!!
That’s what I’m worried about the more I research people that are in high positions the more I learn that no one is home!
Breh those exclamation points at the end of sentences bring a whole new level of depth to collapse humor for sure. I’ll try… uhhhh don’t worry, the markets will be just fine!!!!!!!! Nah, it’s funnier when you do it. Anyway, who tf’s Karl?
no Karl, you are funnier than me.
tell us again the joke about the end of all human exxxploitation.
and the one about the upcoming universal humanity.
you are so funny, Karl.
do your Komrades appreciate it?
I know you’re being nice david but thank you. What can I say, I try.
Speaking of which – the funniest joke about the end of exploitation is that repeated, blood-soaked attempts to do exactly that for the past couple centuries created a world where it’s possible for 10-15% of the humanity to suck enough of the remainder’s blood that they feel like they don’t desperately need it just to survive. Otherwise, let’s face it – without BAU they wouldn’t let someone like you milk a cow.
Milking BAU tonite babeee!!!! That’ll be the red not the white, garçon.
Also, seriously who is this Karl fellow? Sounds like he’s living rent free in your comedic genius brain, and I’m hella jealous.
no really, I am conceding.
you are obviously funnier than I am.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/retail-traders-furious-outages-hit-major-us-brokerages-amid-black-monday-chaos
Hahaha..hehe..hohoho
Korea panic . Trading halted .
https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1820281834300699060/photo/1
Systems max out, when everyone wants to sell at once. Here it is Fidelity, Schwab, and many others.
Today getting into websites from Russia, with or without a VPN, is nearly impossible.
You mean Western websites, I assume.
Everyone on Reddit talking about how Schwab and other financial institutions are down. I have a suspicion that they shut down retail investors access “accidentally” to move their own positions first and get on the right side of trades.
Yup sounds about right… meanwhile talking heads are saying don’t worry this is not a recession everything is just fine. Don’t get out of the market
Something big is happening. Lots of simultaneous moves. These are things that tend to cause problems in markets for derivatives, I would think.
Where abouts are you and is it back?
Can get into my usual Russian media.
Some articles.
Here we go again.
https://m.vz.ru/news/2024/8/5/1280812.html
Hilarious.
https://m.vz.ru/news/2024/8/3/1280537.html
And my personal favourite, a headline from the future 😉
https://m.vz.ru/news/2024/8/4/1280636.html
Checked a couple of others and no problem.
2024 and the browser still can’t properly translate text. Isn’t this something AI can solve reliably? Ugh.
“Retired Colonel of the GRU Vladimir Kvachkov, convicted of fairies about the Russian army”
I use yandex for russian translations. It’s by far the best that I’ve tried and there’s lots to keep an eye on.
Russia has announced full support for Iran and there has been a constant flow of large military transport planes to Iran, delivering equipment including advanced EW weapons. Yesterday Sergei Shoigu flew to Tehran and then on to Baku. Pakistan has voiced support, Jordan and Egypt have both reversed position and will now not attempt to intercept any Iranian missile or drone and if the words I’ve read quoting the Egyptian FM are true, they’ve basically just announced that they won’t interfere with people crossing into Gaza(hello Ansarallah and multiple other seasoned fighters).
Talking of AnsarAllah, they’ve also announced that they are going to attack in reprisal for the attack on their port and if they take out what little is left of the port facilities, the kiddie killers can get a feel of what they are doing to the indigenous population.
Almost forgot, the Ain al-Assad Airbase was attacked twice last night and there seems to be multiple dead, so not just the kiddie killers getting a spoonful of their own medicine.
The resistance have been handed the gift of rightful escalation, but I believe they will use it wisely, as the attrition so far has been hugely successful and the support gets larger and more intense with each passing horror uttered and then commited.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/smotrich–starving-2-million-gazans–justified-and-moral
There’s no way back. The world has bourne witness.
So are the Elders engineering a global depression to distract Iran and Israel from going to war?
lol
those elders again
do i qualify yet?
Of course. Fast Eddy has told me that you cause holographic displays of false flag riots, massacres and assassinations to be projected from the moon so that you can gaslight various countries and politicians around the world. You villain, you!
guilty as charged
eddy has never been known to tell other than the truth
i clearly recall the assurance that people dying in ukraine were nothing more than crisis actors
no doubt you agreed with that.
You have been quiet for a couple of days norman. Busy organising all those hoodlums?
You only qualify when you follow the protocols, so get busy studying.
Sorry for the way I’ve linked, but this is the only way I’ve found to open it in freedom loving Britain, without hiding your location.
content://com.android.providers.downloads.documents/document/msf%3A35664
“no doubt you agreed with that.”
In general, no. I am not FE’s minion. A long-standing member of my hobbyist forum since pre-war is a Ukrainian living in Zaporizhia. He occasionally reports missiles flying overhead and keeping him awake.
On one occasion, though, the Ukrainians staged a scene for propaganda reasons. It showed dead civilians as the result of a claimed Russian rocket attack, but they were lying on the ground right in front of a tall building, all of whose windows were still intact. A similar scene was noted after the Boston “bombings” of 2013.
Here is a photo of a “survivor” of the Boston “bombings”. A rescuer is carrying the man’s “severed artery”. However, the “victim” would have already bled to death. So the scene is ridiculous from a medical point of view, nor do you see any dripping blood. The man has been identified as an ex-soldier who was already a double amputee.
https://www.commarts.com/project/19485/boston-strong
This film goes into detail about the Boston “bombings” and its participants and how this false flag was staged.
https://www.richplanet.net/richp_genre.php?ref=303&part=1&gen=2
All the govt needs is for the majority of the population to believe that this is real, then it is safe. The US govt. then calls out the disbelievers as “c. theorists”, and people like you believe the govt., because you have been indoctrinated to believe that they would never do anything so wicked and deceitful.
Zemi, if the government is evil as yo usay, then why go through the trouble of faking it? Wouldn’t it make more sense for an evil government to actually go through with it?
Ivan the Slav wrote:
“If the government is evil as you say, then why go through the trouble of faking it? Wouldn’t it make more sense for an evil government to actually go through with it?”
It depends what the govt. wants to achieve. If it’s just perception management, e.g. subversive Izhlamics are still a threat, then the KISS principle applies – “keep it simple, stewpid”. However, if a new Pearl Harbor is needed as a big enough excuse to wage war against several countries because peak oil is imminent, then a 9/11 type event may be seen as necessary.
Wouldn’t the elders benefit from more war, and more military weapons made to support the war?
Not if they decided that such a war would be too risky to US interests – e.g. the possible closing of the Strait of Hormuz and Suez canal.
Suez is already closed to them and depending on how tonight’s events go Hormuz could be closed as early as tomorrow(although very unlikely).
Halford McKinder came with the World Island theory.
He argued that whoever controlled Eastern Europe controlled the world.
https://www.worldwar1centennial.org/index.php/articles-posts/4094-brest-litovsk-eastern-europe-s-forgotten-father-2.html
It took the West a millennia to win the zones important to control the World Island, which consists Europe, Asia and Africa, but Woodrow Wilson, the Virginian who was the only President of USA (those born after 1776) to have been the citizen of another country (the CSA – John Tyler did die as a CSA citizen but he was the US president before that) awarded most of these territories won by the West back to USSR because the Poles and the Czechs, the former having only minor contribution to civilization and the latter having zero contribution to it, had to have their own countries, which immediately became failed states.
Post 1990 the West regained a lot of territories given away by Woodrow Wilson but they are about to lose all of them now.
The Neocons, many of them descended from the Trotskyites , understood the importance of that and are still trying to fight to keep Ukraine, but the average Joe Sixpacks of USA cannot identify these places on a map so do not care.
I have repeatedly said that the capture of Berlin at the end of WW2 was much more important than the lives of maybe 5,000-10,000 rednecks who would have died to capture it. Their deaths are inconsequential in history, while the capture of Berlin, which Putin again reminded to Tucker Carlson earlier this year, has become the moral beacon which has kept Russia intact to this day. Without that there would be no country called Russia now, which would have been better for human civilization.
No one really talks about Ukraine, which is winding down. With the defeat of Zelensky, the Hordes now reclaim Eastern Europe, and the world becomes a Hordestan, with 50%+ loss of living standards expected.
The thing that I would point out about Eastern Europe is that it tends not to have very good transport of goods away by ship. It is close to land-locked. This, by itself, makes the area a very disadvantaged area. In fact, Russia has quite a bit of this problem as well, because it has few good year-around ports.
Transport by water has always been the best because no tracks or roads are required that need constant maintenance. The flow of the water and wind can be helpful in making goods move.
Ukraine does have some connection to the Mediterranean and the Atlantic. This makes it very valuable for transport. This, besides the fertile cropland and underground resources might be reasons that it is fought over.
The world basically bartered space based civilization, Type I and all that for a better standard of living for the lower-middle and lower(later renamed as ‘working’) class of United Kingdom and United States, with the Dominion of Canada, whose independence date no one can really tell, coattailing..
It was wrong to allow a higher standard of living, which translated to a higher consumption of valuable resources which could have been used for better purposes, so these people, later joined by peoples of other countries contributing less than nothing to civilization, expanding the total pop from about 1.6B in 1910 to more than 8B now, all of them having a higher standard of living than about 99.5% of the people around 1913.
If people had been kept poor with little prospect of bettering their lives, they would have been resigned to their fates while their betters would have advanced civilization far more than what we see now.
With it being more clear every day that humanity hit its peak around 2012-2019, with no possibility of advancing further, the ‘wisdom’ of giving concession to the lower middle and lower classes of the English speaking countries, which spread to the rest of the world, was a good thing. The Russian Revolution which led to the murder of the Czar and his family made the Western Elites panic, which led to more concessions to the lower middle and lower classes, and it took a century to realize that these measures were wrong, wrong and wrong.
@It was wrong to allow a higher standard of living
As much as I understand, it was not possible! The living standard was needed to generate an economy being able to extract recourses.
I know, what you will answer now: Prove it!
Agreed.
Prior to 1914 most economic activity occurred among the upper class and the world got along just fine
It cost next to nothing to extract resources since labor cost was lower and workers’ comp didn’t exist back then. When a worker was injured, the worker was fired at the spot. Phineas Gage, famous for having survived a stick piercing his brain, was NOT paid a penny for his injury and was fired at the spot and spent the remaining years as a coachman in Chilean mine.
Just pay some workers enough to survive, and enough to raise a family if they were good enough, but no luxuries, and the world would have progressed just the same without the mass consumption.
If only Chucky Fitzwatsname hadn’t gone and spoiled it all by doing his duty……
”allowing a higher standard of living” has no bearing on the problem.
nobody ”allowed” anything of any major consequence.
increased profit=increased production=increased workers=increased wages.
that is what has driven economic growth for the last 300 years, at an accellerating rate.
resource owners had to pay increasing wages to get stuff produced.
The only way ”stuff” gets consumed is if wages are high enough to buy ”stuff”.
That is the very simple system by which Global economics functions.
at the start, resources were cheap because they were easy to get at, now there are increasingly difficult to get at, but we demand the same profit ratio as when they were easy.
ie petrol at 10c or 5/- a gallon or whatever.– few understand that we can no longer have that.
only last sunday, i had lunch with a very senior (national level) accountant who could not accept that we lived in an energy based economy, rather than a money based economy.
he’s not the first of his profession i’ve crossed arguments with in that respect.
he represented much of where our problems lie i think.
And a space based civilisation is so utterly ludicrous as be unworthy of further discussion.