Why Collapse Occurs; Why It May Not Be Far Away

Collapse is a frightening subject. The question of why collapse occurs is something I have pieced together over many years of study from a number of different sources, which I will attempt to explain in this post.

Collapse doesn’t happen instantaneously; it happens many years after an economy first begins outgrowing its resource base. In fact, the resource base likely declines at the same time from multiple causes, such as soil erosion, deforestation and oil depletion. Before collapse occurs, there seem to be warning signs, including:

  • Too much wage disparity
  • Riots and protests by people unhappy with low wages
  • Prices of commodities that are too low for producers that need to recover their costs of production and governments that require tax revenue to fund programs for their citizens
  • An overstretched financial system; conditions ripe for debt defaults
  • Susceptibility to epidemics

Many people have the misimpression that our most important problem will be “running out” of oil. Because of this, they believe that oil prices will rise high if the system is reaching its limits. Since oil prices are not very high, they assume that the problem is far away. Once a person understands what the real issue is, it is (unfortunately) relatively easy to see that the current economy seems to be quite close to collapse.

In this post, I provide images from a recent presentation I gave, together with some comments. A video of the presentation is available on the Uncomfortable Knowledge Hub, here. A PDF of the presentation can be downloaded here:

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In some ways, a self-organizing system is analogous to a dome that might be built with a child’s toy building set (Slide 4). New layers of businesses and consumers are always being added, as are new regulations, more or less on top of the prior structure. At the same time, old consumers are dying off and products that are no longer needed are being discontinued. This happens without central direction from anyone. Entrepreneurs see the need for new products and try to satisfy them. Consumers decide on what to buy, based upon what their spendable income is and what their needs are.

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Resources of many kinds are needed for an economy. Harnessing energy of many types is especially important. Early economies burned biomass and used the labor of animals. In recent years, we have added other types of energy, such as fossil fuels and electricity, to supplement our own human energy. Without supplemental energy of various kinds, we would be very limited in the kinds of goods and services that could be produced. Our farming would be limited to digging in the ground with a stick, for example.

The fact that there is almost an equivalence between employees and consumers is very important. If the wages of consumers are high, relative to the prices of the goods and services available, then consumers are able to buy many of those goods and services. As a result, citizens tend to be happy. But if there are too many low paid workers, or people without work at all, consumers are likely to be unhappy because they cannot afford the basic necessities of life.

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The problem civilizations are facing is a two-sided problem: (1) Growing population and (2) Resources that often degrade or deplete. As a result, the amount of resources per person falls. If this were carried to the limit, all of us would starve.

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As resources deplete and population grows, local leaders can see that problems are on the horizon. At first, adding technology, such as a new dam to provide water to make farms more productive, helps. As more and more technology and other complexity is added, there is less and less “bang for the buck.” We can easily see this in the healthcare field. Early antibiotics had a very big payback; recent medical innovations that help a group of 500 or 1000 people with a particular rare disease can be expected to have a much smaller payback.

A second issue with added complexity is that it increasingly leads to a society of the very wealthy plus many very low paid workers. Joseph Tainter identified the combination of these two issues as leading to collapse in his book, The Collapse of Complex Societies.

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Françios Roddier is an astrophysicist who writes primarily in French. His book Thermodynamique de l’évolution was published in 2012; it is now available in English as well.

The issue of starving people in Yemen is an issue today. In fact, hunger is an increasing problem in poor countries around the world. The world tourism industry is dead; the industry of making fancy clothing for people in rich countries is greatly reduced. People who formerly made a living in these industries in poor countries increasingly find it difficult to earn an adequate living with other available jobs. Rich countries tend to have better safety nets when there are widespread reductions in job-availability.

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Businesses often make long lasting goods such as machines to be used in factories or automobiles to be used by consumers. Governments often make long-lasting goods such as paved roads and school buildings. When making these goods, they take some combination of commodities, built machinery, and human labor to make goods and services that people will use for many years into the future. The future value of these goods is hoped to be significantly greater than the value of the inputs used to create these goods and services.

There are at least three reasons that time-shifting devices are needed:

  1. Workers need to be paid as these goods are made.
  2. Businesses need to build factories in advance.
  3. Businesses, governments and individuals are all likely to find the future payments more manageable, even with interest added, than they are as a single payment upfront.

I don’t mention the issue in Slide 9, but once time-shifting devices are created, they become very easy to manipulate. For example, no one knows precisely what the future value of a particular investment will be. Governments, especially, are prone to make investments in unneeded infrastructure, simply to provide jobs for people. We also know that there are diminishing returns to added technology, but stocks of technology companies tend to be valued as if complexity will save the world. Third, interest rate manipulations (lower!) and the offering of debt to those who seem unlikely to be able ever to repay the debt can be used to make the economy of a country appear to be in better shape than it really is. Many of us remember the collapse of the US subprime housing debt bubble in 2008.

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The purpose of a financial system is to allocate goods and services. High wages allocate a larger share of the output of an economy to a particular person than low wages. Appreciation in asset values (such as prices of shares of stock, or value of a home or piece of land) also act to increase the share of the goods and services produced by the economy to an individual. Payment of interest, dividends and rents are other ways of allocating goods and services that the economy makes. Governments can print money, but they cannot print goods and services!

As the economy gets more complex, the non-elite workers increasingly get left out of the distribution of goods and services. For one thing (not mentioned on Slide 10), as the economy becomes more complex, an increasing share of the goods and services produced by the economy need to go into making all of the intermediate goods that make that industrial economy work. Intermediate goods would include factories, semi-trucks, hydroelectric dams, oil pipelines and other goods and services that don’t directly benefit an individual consumer. They are needed to make the overall system work.

As the economy gets bigger and more complex, the non-elite workers increasingly find themselves left out. Besides losing an increasing part of the output of the intermediate goods and services mentioned in the prior paragraph, there are other pieces that take slices of the total output of goods and services:

  • High paid workers take their quite-large slices of the total output. These individuals tend to be the ones who get the benefit of asset appreciation, as well.
  • Pension programs and other programs to help the elderly and unemployed take a cut.
  • Health insurance costs, in the US at least, tend to be very high, relative to wages, for lower-paid workers.
  • The work of some employees can be replaced by low-paid overseas employees or by robots. If they are to keep their jobs, their wages need to be suitably low to compete.

With all of these issues, the workers at the bottom of the employment hierarchy increasingly get left out of the distribution of goods and services made by the economy.

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We know some of the kinds of things that happen when economies are close to collapse from the writings of researchers such as Peter Turchin, lead author of Secular Cycles, and Joseph Tainter, mentioned earlier. One approach is for governments to try to work around the resource problem by starting wars with other economies whose resources they might gain. Probably a more likely outcome is that these low-resource-per-capita economies become vulnerable to attack by other economies because of their weakened condition. In any event, more conflict is likely as resource limits hit.

If the low incomes of non-elite workers persist, many bad outcomes can be expected. Local riots can be expected as citizens protest their low wages or pensions. Governments are likely to find that they cannot collect enough taxes. Governments will also find that they must cut back on programs, or (in today’s world) their currencies will sink relative to currencies of other countries. Intergovernmental organizations may fail for lack of funding, or governments may be overthrown by unhappy citizens.

Debt defaults can be expected. Governments have a long history of defaulting on their debts when conditions were bad according to Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff in This Time Is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly.

It becomes very easy for epidemics to take hold because of the poor eating habits and the close living quarters of non-elite workers.

With respect to inflation-adjusted commodity prices, it is logical that they would stay low because a large share of the population would be impoverished and thus not able to afford very many of these commodities. A person would expect gluts of commodities, as occurred during the Great Depression in the 1930s in the United States because many farmers and farm-hands had been displaced by modern farming equipment. We also find that the book of Revelation from the Bible seems to indicate that low prices and lack of demand were problems at the time of the collapse of ancient Babylon (Revelation 18:11-13).

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Much of what peak oil theory misunderstands is what our society as a whole misunderstands. Most people seem to believe that our economy will grow endlessly unless we somehow act to slow it down or stop it. They cannot imagine that the economy comes with built-in brakes, provided by the laws of physics.

Armed with a belief in endless growth, economists assume that the economy can expand year after year at close to the same rate. Modelers of all kinds, including climate modelers, miss the natural feedback loops that lead to the end of fossil fuel extraction without any attempt on our part to stop its extraction. A major part of the problem is that added complexity leads to too much wage and wealth disparity. Eventually, the low wages of many of the workers filter through to oil and other energy prices, making prices too low for producers.

Collapse isn’t instantaneous, as we will see on Slide 26. As resources per capita fall too low, there are several ways to keep problems hidden. More debt at lower interest rates can be added. New financial techniques can be developed to hide problems. Increased globalization can be used. Corners can be cut on electricity transmission, installation and maintenance, and in the building of new electricity generating structures. It is only when the economy hits a bump in the road (such as a climate-related event) that there suddenly is a major problem: Electricity production fails, or not enough food is produced. In fact, California, Florida, and China have all encountered the need for rolling blackouts with respect to electricity in the past year; China is now encountering difficulty with inadequate food supply, as well.

Economists have played a major role in hiding problems with energy with their models that seem to show that prices can be expected to rise if there is a shortage of oil or other energy. Their models miss the point that adequate supplemental energy is just as important for demand as it is for supply of finished goods and services. The reason energy is important for demand is because demand depends on the wages of workers, and the wages of workers in turn depend on the productivity of those workers. The use of energy supplies to allow workers to operate tools of many kinds (such as computers, trucks, electric lights, ovens, and agricultural equipment) greatly influences the productivity of those workers.

A person who believes energy prices can rise endlessly is likely to believe that recycling can increase without limit because of ever-rising prices. Such a person is also likely to believe that the substitution of intermittent renewables for fossil fuels will work because high prices for scarce electricity will enable an approach that is inherently high-cost, if any continuity of supply is required.

Thus, the confusion isn’t so much that of peak oilers. Instead, the confusion is that of economists and scientists building models based on past history. These models miss the turning points that occur as limits approach. They assume that future patterns will replicate past patterns, but this is not what happens in a finite world. If we lived in a world without limits, their models would be correct. This confusion is very much built into today’s thinking.

In fact, we are living in an economic system/ecosystem that has brakes to it. These brakes are being applied now, even though 99%+ of the population isn’t aware of the problem. The system will protect itself, quite possibly using the approach of evicting most humans.

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The opinions expressed in Slide 13 reflect some of the views I have heard expressed speaking with peak oilers and with people looking into issues from a biophysical economics perspective. Obviously, views differ from person to person.

Many people believe that resources in the ground provide a good estimate of the quantity of fossil fuels that can be extracted in the future. Peak oilers tend to believe that the available resources will need to have sufficiently high “Energy Returned on Energy Invested” (EROEI) ratios to make extraction feasible. Politicians and climate modelers tend to believe that prices can rise endlessly, so low EROEI is no obstacle. They seem to believe that anything that we have the technical skill to extract, even coal under the North Sea, can be extracted.

If a person believes the high estimates of fossil fuel resources that seem to be available and misses the point that the economy has built-in brakes, climate change becomes the issue of major concern.

My view is that most of the resources that seem to be available will be left in the ground because of low prices and problems associated with collapse, such as failing governments and broken supply lines. In any event, we do not really have the ability to fix the climate; the laws of physics will provide their own adjustment. We will simply need to live with whatever climate is provided. Humans lived through ice-ages in the past. Presumably, whatever humans remain after what seems to be an upcoming bottleneck will be able to live in suitable areas of the world in the future.

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On Slide 14, note that today’s industrial economy must necessarily come to an end, just as the lives of hurricanes and of people come to an end.

Also note that with diminishing returns, the cost of producing many of the things listed on Slide 14 is rising. For example, with rising population, dry areas of the world eventually need to use desalination to get enough fresh water for their growing populations. Desalination is expensive. Even if the necessary workaround is simply deeper wells, this still adds costs.

With diminishing returns affecting many parts of the economy simultaneously, it becomes increasingly difficult for efforts in the direction of efficiency to lead to costs that are truly lower on an inflation-adjusted basis. Advanced education and health care in particular tend to have an ever-rising inflation-adjusted costs of production. Some minerals do as well, as the quality of ores depletes.

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An important issue to note is that wages need to cover all the rising costs, even the rising cost of health care. The paychecks of many people, especially those without advanced education, fall too low to meet all of their needs.

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Slides 16 and 17 describe some of the reasons why oil prices don’t necessarily rise with scarcity.

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I was one of the co-authors of the Ke Wang paper mentioned in Slide 18. We developed three different forecasts of how much oil would be extracted in China, depending on how high oil prices would be able to rise. The Red Line is the “Stays Low” Scenario, with prices close to $50 per barrel. The Yellow Line is the “Ever-Rising Prices” Scenario. The Best Estimate reflects the expectation that prices would be in roughly the $100 to $120 barrel range, from 2015 onward.

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In fact, oil prices have stayed fairly low, and China’s oil production has declined, as our paper predicted.

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Note that the chart on Slide 21 shows wage disparity only in the US. On this basis, the share of wages going to the top 1% and top 0.1% are back at the levels that they were in the 1920s. Now, our economy is much more global. If we consider all of the low income people in the world, the worldwide wage disparity is much greater.

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There are two things to note on Slide 22. The first is that producers, in inflation-adjusted terms, seem to need very high prices, approximately $120 per barrel or more. This is based on a presentation made by Steve Kopits, which I wrote up here: Beginning of the End? Oil Companies Cut Back on Spending.

The other thing to note is that oil prices tend to bounce around a great deal. Prices seem to depend on the amount of debt and on interest rates, as well as the wages of workers. The peak in oil prices in mid-2008 came precisely at the time the debt bubble broke with respect to mortgage and credit card debt in the US. I wrote about this in an article in the journal Energy called, Oil Supply Limits and the Continuing Financial Crisis.

The US instituted Quantitative Easing (QE) at the end of 2008. QE acted to lower interest rates. With the help of QE, the price of oil gradually rose again. When the US discontinued QE in late 2014, oil prices fell. Recently, there has been a great deal of QE done, as well as direct spending by governments, but oil prices are still far below the $120 per barrel level. Middle Eastern oil producers especially need high oil prices, in order to collect the high tax revenue that they depend upon to provide programs for their citizens.

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Coal prices (Slide 23) tend to follow somewhat the same pattern as oil prices (Slide 22). There is very much the same balancing act with coal prices as well: Coal prices need to be high enough for producers, but not too high for customers to buy products made with coal, such as electricity and steel.

China tries to keep its coal prices relatively high in order to encourage production within the country. China has been limiting imports to try to keep prices high. The relatively high coal prices of China make it an attractive destination for coal exporters. There are now a large number of boats waiting outside China hoping to sell coal to China at an attractive price.

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The blue line on Figure 24 represents total energy consumption up through 2020. The red dotted line is a rough guesstimate of how energy consumption might fall. This decline could happen if people wanting energy consumption coming only from renewables were able to succeed by 2050 (except I am doubtful that these renewable energy types would really be of much use by themselves).

Alternatively, this might also be the decline that our self-organizing economy takes us on. We are already seeing a decrease in energy consumption related to the current pandemic. I think governmental reactions to the pandemic were prompted, in part, by the very stretched condition of our oil and other energy supplies. Countries were experiencing riots over low wages. They also could not afford to import as much oil as they were importing. Shutdowns in response to COVID-19 cases seemed like a sensible thing to do. They helped restore order and saved on energy imports. Strangely enough, the pandemic may be a part of the collapse that our self-organizing economy is arranging for us.

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Slide 25 takes the blue line from Slide 24 and looks at what happened in more detail. On Slide 25, we are looking at the average annual increase in energy consumption, for a given 10 year period. This is split between the rate of population growth (blue), and the energy consumption growth that went into other things, which I equate to change in “standard of living” (red). The big red humps represent very good times, economically. The post-World War II bump is especially high. The valleys are times of disturbing changes, including wars and the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Of course, all of these situations occurred during periods when energy consumption was generally rising. If these unfortunate things happened when oil consumption was rising, what might possibly happen when energy consumption is falling?

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We now seem to be hitting the Crisis Stage. In the past, collapse (which takes place in the Crisis Stage) has not been instantaneous; it has taken place over quite a number of years, typically 20 or more. The world economy is quite different now, with its international trade system and heavy use of debt. It would seem likely that a collapse could happen more quickly. A common characteristic of collapses, such as avalanches, is that they often seem to start off fairly slowly. Then, suddenly, a large piece breaks away, and there is a big collapse. Something analogous to this could possibly happen with the economy, too.

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One of the major issues with adding intermittent renewables to the electric grid is a pricing problem. Once wind and solar are given subsidies (even the subsidy of “going first”), all of the other types of electricity production seem to need subsidies, as well. It is the pricing systems that are terribly detrimental, although this is not generally noticed. In fact, researchers who are looking only at energy may not even care if the pricing is wrong. Ultimately, the low pricing for electricity can be expected to bring the electric grid down, just as inadequate prices for fossil fuels can be expected to lead to the closure of many fossil fuel producers. Both Texas and California are having difficulty because they have not been collecting enough funds from customers to build resilient systems.

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The focus of EROEI research is often with respect to whether the EROEI of a particular type of energy production is “high enough,” relative to some goal, such as 3:1 or 10:1. I believe that there needs to be more focus on the total quantity of net energy produced. If there is an EROEI goal for highly complex energy types, it needs to be much higher than for less complex energy types.

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Today, it is common to see the EROEIs of a number of different types of energy displayed side-by-side as if they were comparable. This type of comparison is also made with other energy metrics, such as “Levelized Cost of Electricity” and “Energy Payback Period.” I think this approach makes highly complex types of energy production, such as intermittent wind and solar, look better than they really are. Even intermittent hydroelectric power generation, such as is encountered in places with rainy seasons and dry seasons and in places that are subject to frequent droughts, is not really comparable to electricity supply that can be provided year-around by fossil fuel providers, if adequate storage is available.

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Earlier in this post, I documented a number of reasons why we should expect low rather than high energy prices in the future. I am reiterating the point here because it is a point energy researchers need especially to be aware of. Production is likely to come to an end because it is unprofitable.

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One characteristic of human-made complexity is that it has very little redundancy. If something goes wrong in one part of one system, it is likely to ripple through that system, as well as other systems to which the first system is connected. An outage of oil is likely to indirectly affect electricity because oil is needed to fix problems with electricity transmission lines. An electricity outage may cause disruption in oil drilling and refining, and even in filling up automobiles at service stations. An international trade disruption can break supply lines and leave shipping containers at the wrong end of the globe.

We know that collapse tends to lead to less complex systems. We should expect fewer jobs requiring advanced education. We should expect to start losing battles against infectious diseases. We should expect a reduction in international trade; in the future, it may primarily take place among a few trusted partners. Some intergovernmental organizations are likely to disappear. Peak oil cannot happen by itself; it can only happen with disruptions and shrinkage in many other parts of the economy, as well.

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The climate is indeed changing. Unfortunately, we humans have little ability to change what is happening, especially at this late date. Arguably, some changes could have been made much earlier, for example in the 1970s when the modeling included in the 1972 book The Limits to Growth by Donnela Meadows and others showed that the world economy was likely to hit limits before 2050.

It is clear to many people that the world economy is now struggling. There is too much debt; young people are having trouble finding jobs that pay well enough; people in poor countries are increasingly more food insecure. Leaders everywhere would like solutions. The “easy” solution to offer is that intermittent wind and solar will solve all our problems, including climate change. The closer a person looks at the situation, the more the solution seems like nonsense. Wind and solar work passably well at small concentrations within electric systems, if it is possible to work around their pricing problems. But they don’t scale up well. Energy researchers especially should be aware of these difficulties.

The book Rare Earth: Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe by Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee points out that there have been an amazing number of what seem to be coincidences that have allowed life on Earth to flourish for four billion years. Perhaps these coincidences will continue. Perhaps there is an underlying plan that we are not aware of.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,333 Responses to Why Collapse Occurs; Why It May Not Be Far Away

  1. Fast Eddy says:

    Notice how not a single person in the bank utters a word of support for this woman… that’s because they are CovIDIOTS and they think that woman is dangerous.

    With a bit of encouragement they could easily be convinced to stone her to death.


    • Tim Groves says:

      After watching this and sitting with it for a few hours, my take on it is that there were several points where this situation could have been de-escalated by the bank staff, the policeman, and most of all by the woman herself. The other customers, not so much. Good people have gotten themselves arrested or even killed for interfering in this sort of altercation. I am not surprised that nobody intervened as the thing went downhill.

      The bank staff doubtless called the police and the bank staff were no doubt just following orders. But I expect they didn’t have to call the police. They could have failed to see that the customer was not wearing a mask, or they could have seen her lack of a face covering but supposed she was wearing one made out of the same material that went into the Emperor’s New Clothes. In any case, they could have just ignored her violation of the rules and pretended not to have noticed it. After all, who bothers to look at anybody else’s face in these Covid times?

      The policeman had to do his job, but he didn’t have to be so brutal about it. There is no excuse for using excessive physical force against somebody who was by no stretch of the imagination a threat and in no way acting violently. He could have chosen patient persuasion over brute force. But, hey, this is the USA Today, where educationally subnormal uniformed thugs have become the rule and increasingly nobody with an IQ in three digits or any kind of EQ at all is considered suitable material for police work.

      As for the woman, she had lots of options, such as wearing a mask, or not using the bank, or making a political point by refusing to wear the mask and refusing to leave but NOT refusing or resisting arrest—that last one might have been the Gandhian thing to do. But what she actually did was to argue with the cop and then when he’d had enough, to refuse to cooperate with the arrest. Jane Fonda would have done it much better.

      How many times to people have to be told—don’t talk to cops, not even to argue with them. There is a war going on in the US and the police are enemy combatants. You all know the drill. Good afternoon, Officer. I don’t talk to the police. Am I under arrest? Am I free to go? And if you do get arrested, it’s name, rank, serial number and I would like to contact my lawyer.

  2. racoon#9.5meg says:

    The armys Active Denial System at 95 gigahz is only 5 gigahz higher frequency than the top frequency bands given the green light for the 5g rollout.


  3. racoon#9.5meg says:

    NIH document investigating 5g relationship to corona viruses. It seems cells act like inductors. The impedance of a inductor is relative to frequency. A inductor has 10000000000000000 more impedance at 10 gig hz than 1 hz.


    • I notice that the article he is referring to has been retracted.


        • Nehemiah says:

          When articles that may be threatening to the telecom industry (or any giant industry) disappear, I become suspicious. I remember years ago some mainstream researcher, whose name I no longer remember, wrote a book on his findings linking cell phones with brain cancer. He encountered various problems as a result, climaxing when someone burned down his house, after which he went into hiding. Now, I don’t know whether this paper was withdrawn for legit reasons or not, but I am suspicious. Papers are not always withdrawn for purely scientific reasons. Indeed, I would have been somewhat surprised if it had not been withdrawn simply because of the 5G angle.

        • racoon#9.5meg says:

          The critism offered by that review is pretty lame. I could do better. 🙂
          The paper is far from conclusive. I was particularly interested in the premise that DNA is inductive in nature. That has huge implications in terms of the effects of frequency on our bodies. That premise seemed speculative in origin to me.

          Its not like your going to put a meter on it. If true that alone raises grave questions about the safety of MM waves irradiating our living spaces.

          See how your faraday cage works at shielding at 5g gig frequencies. NOT. Try measuring EMF flux densities at 5g gig frequencies. NOT.

          . Im not sure the paper was intended as anything other than popping a flare. With the huge amount of research and resources being given to germ theory and covid 19 any research into harmful effects of 5g seems to be non existent. Why? Doesnt inspire confidence in the narrative for me. The “banned” (hah) paper is worth reading for the citations at the end if nothing else. Here is its location.


          • Nehemiah says:

            Individual papers on any topic are rarely conclusive, but inconclusiveness is never grounds for withdrawal. Science by its nature tends to be inconclusive.

            I do worry about the biological effects of 5g, but OTOH it does not transmit very far (which means it may never make it to truly rural areas), and it can be blocked although it’s not cheap to do so, currently about $50 per square meter for an “EMF protection canopy” (google it):


            Cheaper: use aluminum foil:
            “You can try this for yourself. Get a large sheet of aluminum foil, lay it out flat, set your cell phone on top and wrap it up. Now try calling it, the phone won’t have any signal. These radio waves are a form of EMF radiation. The aluminum foil acts as a barrier and completely blocks those waves.”

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            • racoon#9.5meg says:

              You are absaloutly corect that the higher the frequency the easier it should be to block. They are saying 5g phones will not be usable inside houses. That is not the end of the story…

              Its not practically possible to measure any 5g frequency. Mico henrys are as about as small a inductor you can get. Thats 6 zeros. Gig is 12 zeros. If your measurement head is off by a micro henry that changed you result by 6 zeros. Your just not going to measure how dense the flux is or the wavelength.

              Thats why millions are spent on calorimeters to measure high frequency power supplies energy as heat. thats how its done. those can calibrate heads that can measure energy in the low gigs when it flows through a path.

              A path not emf flux density fields. Low gigs. below 5 mostly.

              Why it would be quite important if cells or as the paper speculated DNA is inductive? At these frequencies all the power is going to drop on whatever is inductive. This would have the effect of focusing all the energy of the MM waves on the inductive component which might not be so good for living tissue. Ya think?

              I had never though about different parts of what composes a human as having more capacitance or inductance than the rest. At giga hz even a tiny difference results in where the power is dropped.

              If one part of the human body is slightly more inductive ALL the power WILL drop across that one part at these frequencies.

              You cant really regard electrical energy at these frequencies as electrical energy at lower frequencies. Its not really going from point A to point B at the speed of light like most juice. It floats. You cant assume its just going to follow a path to ground. No hasnt gained consciousness doing what it wants but it does some awfully wierd stuff. Ive have spent a minute or two staring at $100k network analyzers screens and wondering WTF.

              This is what make these frequencies so valuable in creating the plasma used in etch and deposition in the semiconductor fabrication. Plasma is electrical energy but it breaks the rules. It floats. Thats why plasma is considered a 5th state of matter by many.

              To be frank i considered worries about 5g to be a bunch of nonsense before covid. It could be that the higher frequencis simply do not penetrate the human body enough to be hazard. I still dont know.

              I do know that pregnant women who enter the high EMF environment of semi conductor fabs have a much much higher rate of premature births. Thats common knowledge amonst fab workers. Ive Known more than one pregnant engineer to say its charts and graphs for me no hands on until I give birth. Fire me if you dont like it my child is more important.

              Engineers can pull that. Operators not so much. And ive known more than one that lost their unborn child. Health and safety… Health and safety kicks ass in fabs. They do a good job. But liability… It goes with the territory. Just like the fab workers nice paychecks. Oh yes it pays a lot better than flipping burgers.

              This is just a tiny bit in contrast to the theory that high frequency EMF fields dont penetrate beyond the scin.

              THese are very very high EMF flux densities I am talking about in a specific industry. What flux densities will 5g produce? THEY CAN NOT BE MEASURED. Thats why millions are spent on calorimeters to measure high frequency power supplies energy as heat. You see the issue? We cant quantify the risk. I think its safe to say 5g flux densities will be less than a fab. Thats a guess. How many kilowatts is behind that phased array… Yes thats a big mama jama enf field generator. Thats what it does Virginia.

              I dont know. I am neither saying 5g is a horrible monster or saying its cotton candy.
              To treat it like just more of the same is very cavalier in my opinion.

              IF one part of what composes the human body has higher inductance than the rest ALL the power of a high gig field WILL drop on just that part and that if true IS a game changer.

              I put the IF in capitals too you notice. I like to think i value truth not an agenda. Speculation is just that.

              Do you think its worth a little research money to look at health effects of high frequency EMF fields?

              Do you like your chips? Maybe not such a good idea. So you pop a flare with a withdrawn paper and hope you dont go down maybe up when you die?

  4. re: law suits

    In Europe, nowhere has drawn more of this anger than Ischgl, dubbed “Ibiza on ice”. Outbreaks in northern Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Iceland have all been traced back to skiers returning home from the Paznaun valley, and the devastating reach of the Ischgl cluster is likely to be considerably wider: an Austrian lawyer compiling a class action lawsuit against the Tirol region, alleging it failed in its public health duties, has gathered the signatures of more than 6,000 tourists from 47 countries who believe they caught the virus in Ischgl, including people from Canada, Cambodia and Zimbabwe. Around 180 of them are British citizens, who took the virus back to London, Manchester, Birmingham, Norwich and Brighton.


  5. hillcountry says:

    Quick history of Monsanto’s ‘Terminator Gene’ technology. We attended a bunch of public meetings in Michigan that organized opposition to these KOOKS circa late-90’s


    • Nehemiah says:

      I remember the big hullabaloo environmentalists tried to raise (at least online) over terminator genes in the late 1990s I seem to recall. Environmentalists have a strange habit of targeting the wrong problems, such as CO2 (we should be grateful for more CO2!) and “terminator” genes. Have these people never heard of natural selection? I can understand worrying about roundup ready genes and maybe bt toxin in corn, but terminator genes? I would like to think it is so obvious why a gene that prevents a plant from reproducing cannot spread through a population that no one would have to explain it, but apparently many environmentalists are bit mentally challenged, bless their hearts.

      • hillcountry says:

        Well, no one I knew in the agricultural space locally were concerned about your “spread through a population” argument. We saw this instead:


        “Genetic modification of seeds has serious ramifications for how we view the ownership of life itself. Corporations like Monsanto tweak the DNA of seeds and patent these genetically modified organism (GMO) seeds as intellectual property that they can sell; and if you own the seeds you also own the fruit. Not suprisingly, those GMO seeds are suicide seeds, meaning that they cannot be saved and replanted for the next harvest[6]. So, farmers become dependent on buying them year after year, while paying the seed “owners” a portion of their profits[7]. Environmental activist Vandana Shiva asserts that Monsanto has perpetuated a cycle of selling their seeds, removing alternatives, and driving up production costs for farmers[7][9]. Ultimately, farmers around the world are losing sovereignty over their practices and the products of their work[7]. Between 1995–2012, over 300,000 farmers in India took their own lives due to indebtedness to seed corporations[8].”

        My continued response: And that was just one aspect of was an anticipated direction visible to those who were paying close attention. The following article sums up the self-interest part of the equation in my neck of the woods; one with farmers growing different organic crops on contract with companies like Eden Foods (very fussy). The campaign against the so-called Terminator gene-tech was just a sub-set of larger concerns. Whether that particular altered-gene could have drifted to neighboring crops is open for debate. I have to wonder if your bit about “spread through the population” was referring to people worrying about a plant-gene technology spreading to humans. If you heard people worried about that all I can say is whatever. I’m an ecologist, not an environmentalist. Some people know the difference.


        “GMO pollen drift has been a major concern for farmers since the 1990s and eventually, consumers caught wind. Pollen from GMO plants like Monsanto’s Roundup Ready canola, for example, can easily drift by wind or bees into fields nearby or even miles away. This is not exclusive to GMO plants, but in the case of GMOs with non-GMO neighbors, it becomes a much bigger problem.”

        “Lawsuits about GMO drift go back as far as 1999 — and probably farther — and display a range of complaints flowing in both directions from farmers to seed companies and the reverse. Organic farmers have often complained, in and out of court, that genetic drift has caused them to lose organic certifications or prevent them from getting one. Monsanto has sued farmers for growing their Roundup Ready crops without paying the proper fees, while the farmers claim that the crops ended up on their land because of drift.”

        “Remedying this problem would go a long way in removing one of the major criticisms of GMO seeds, and their biggest proponent Monsanto — now Bayer — and a St. Louis company run by former Monsanto employees may have the answer.”

        To quote the Great Stan Lee: ‘Nuff Said

  6. MedPage Today has a story called, Here’s Why Viral Vector Vaccines Don’t Alter DNA: It’s pretty simple–they can’t

    The two best known viral vector vaccines for COVID are those by Astra Zeneca and Johnson & Johnson. This article is not about the vaccines by Pfizer and Moderna.

    Earlier experience with adenovirus vector vaccines proved advantageous when the COVID-19 pandemic struck. Because these types of vaccines had been in development for so long, all scientists had to do was adapt them to COVID-19. For example, the platform used in the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine had been in clinical trials in humans for over 10 years for various other diseases. Going forward, that adaptability may also prove useful when updating vaccines to protect against new variants of COVID-19, according to Coughlan.


    Adenoviruses — even as they occur in nature — just do not have the capacity to alter DNA. Unlike retroviruses such as HIV or lentiviruses, wild-type adenoviruses do not carry the enzymatic machinery necessary for integration into the host cell’s DNA. That’s exactly what makes them good vaccine platforms for infectious diseases, according to Coughlan.

    Of course, they can still have other problems, as we are seeing with the Astra Zeneca vaccines that have been halted in some countries.

    • racoon#9.5meg says:

      Should the articles title have been “adenovirus VAX ok MRNA not”?

      All sorts of talking heads emerging.

      From the comments;
      “However, rarely loose intact genes can indeed get intercalated into chromosomes and wind up as part of the genome – that’s how horizontal transfer happens! We might assume that, since very few cells might end up permanently expressing the antigen, they will be quickly destroyed by the immune system before replicating, without noticeable harm to the organ or tissue as a whole, and without the immune system’s starting to attack other cells in that tissue. Presumably. But if the injection gets that intact chunk of DNA into cells that you might not expect and it does, in one in a million people, end up causing an autoimmune disease, we know what will happen: they won’t be correctly diagnosed, and if they suggest the vaccine could have been responsible, they will be told that obviously they aren’t sick at all and it’s all in their heads.”

      Its worth noting that this comment portrayed more understanding of process than the whole article which was mostly large adenovirus infomercial quote.

      Then theirs the comments from those thanking her for the article who by the content reveal that they accepted a MRNA vax think the “article” is discussing all VAX tm products.
      None of these get the kosher mark for me. These are personal decisions however. It looks like the adenovirus VAX tm may be getting groomed for non mark of the beast double plus good status. If “experts say” that they are non genetically altering then there can be no religious exemptions? AdenoVAX specifically designed for the mark of the beast intolerant. 🙂

  7. hillcountry says:


    Pfizer Demanding Bank Reserves, Military Bases And Embassy Buildings As Collateral For COVID-19 Vaccines

    • If a country won’t give the vaccine immunity from law suits, it has to come up with something substantial to pledge in reimbursement.

      • Nehemiah says:

        These countries should stand their ground. We know how to treat this disease now, and hospitalizations appear to be on the decline any way which may mean it is on the wane, and if it really is a continuing threat, the rich, developed countries will want to stop versions of it from re-entering their countries and will eventually arrange for a vaccine to be made available even if immunity from lawsuits is never granted. All pandemics burn out at some point, with or without a vaccine. There is no need to be at the mercy of the vaccine makers.

  8. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    Wait till the local Supermarket is empty..Fido will look very tasty indeed

    MIAMI, Fla. – Five dogs will arrive after a 50-hour journey from Beijing to Miami International Airport on Saturday saved from slaughter as part of the Chinese meat trade.

    According to the Good Karma Pet Rescue of South Florida, the dogs, including a paralyzed poodle, will be spared from being part of the 10 million dogs per year killed for human consumption in China and Asian countries.

    Because of travel restrictions in place, the dogs are being flown as cargo on an unchaperoned flight, a costly transport, and one that the pet rescue said said was offset by fundraising and donating sponsors.

    Two of those sponsors, including Ray and Jennifer Huizenga, will be meeting the dogs at the airport.

    Dogs that end up being part of the Chinese meat trade have either been sold by their owners, stolen, or homeless, some are raised specifically to be used for meat or discarded by breeders and racing facilities when they are no longer useful as moneymakers, according to GKPR.

    From local Channel 10 News Miami

    • Nehemiah says:

      Why stop with dogs? Shouldn’t we be trying to save the pigs too? Pigs are intelligent, interesting, and fun, much like dogs (although not as good at reading human cues, although they could be bred to). Cattle are much less bright, but they are nevertheless delightful animals (unlike their dangerous wild ancestors, who unfortunately died out completely in the 18th century). Cows jumping for joy:
      I don’t understand why some species, other than endangered species or animals that might pose health risks for some reason, and of course our own species (I am unabashedly “speciest”), should be put in a “special” category of inedible beings for reasons that appear to be purely arbitrary. I think the Chinese are a lot more sensible in this regard. (PETA is somewhat less sensible, but at least logically consistent.)

      • Tom says:

        I predict the species taboos against consuming ‘long pork’ are going to fall away at some point.

        • Nehemiah says:

          LOL, well, I hope not, but maybe during a famine.

        • Tim Groves says:

          When you go hiking in the mountains of New Guinea, as I’m sure we all do from time to time, the local villagers in their best pidgin English always warn you to be careful if crossing over the ridge into the next valley, because you are likely to end up in the cannibal’s pot.

          Then, when you cross the ridge into the next valley, the local villagers there always tell you exactly the same thing.

          And if you ask them whether there are any actual cannibals around in their valley, they say “Only on special feast days.”

  9. hillcountry says:


    8 European Nations Stop AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine On Reports Of “Serious” Blood Clots

  10. Imagine not knowing your fish are about to outlive you

  11. Doctors, healthcare workers face harsh penalties for spouting anti-coronavirus vaccine claims

    Doctors, nurses and pharmacists could be stripped of their ability to practise if they are found by the medical watchdog to be spreading COVID anti-vaccination claims.

    The punishment is part of a string of harsh penalties health practitioners face after the national medical boards and the Australian Health Practitioner Regulatory Agency (AHPRA) released a joint directive warning on Tuesday.

    The alert said practitioners risked regulatory action if they spouted false or deceptive misinformation to patients or on social media which could undermine Australia’s vaccination program.

    It comes as the AstraZeneca vaccine rollout begins, with NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian, Health Minister Brad Hazzard and chief health officer Dr Kerry Chant expected to get their jab on Wednesday.

    “There is no place for anti-vaccination messages in professional health practice, and any promotion of anti-vaccination claims including on social media, and advertising may be subject to regulatory action,” spokesman for the medical boards and Pharmacy Board chairman Brett Simmonds said.

    • Nehemiah says:

      So what happens to Australian medical professionals who “spouted false or deceptive misinformation” to *promote* the covid vaccine? Why are the penalties not symmetrical?

  12. Comment from AstraZeneca spokesperson on Denmark’s decision to suspend use of its vaccine:


    A few months is not “extensively studying” a vaccine. These companies are reckless, dangerous and want lots n lots of money without facing any consequences.

  13. How many people a day could Canada vaccinate when going full-tilt?

    Vaxx Populi: Using Manitoba’s detailed rollout estimates as a guide, we forecast how soon we might get every adult in the country inoculated

    • So, what is the significance of this?

      • MG says:

        The implosion of the government. What else?

        • That would definitely be a problem. I am afraid I don’t know enough about who is who and what is going on to figure this out, however.

          • MG says:

            It is not a violent crash over something, but more like a rising misunderstanding.

            • Tim Groves says:

              I remember an old Czechoslovakian joke told to me by an old Czechoslovakian joker in the old Communist days.

              Why do Czechoslovakian policemen always walk around in threes?

              There’s one who can read; one who can write; and one to keep an eye on the two intellectuals.

            • MG says:

              In the rising complexity, the police seems to be often helpless and not able to keep the pace with the development of the reality.

              The people often disregard the rights of others, as the limits of growth are reached.

      • Kowalainen says:

        Chaos unfolding with helpless and hapless government.


  14. Harry McGibbs says:

    “In many emerging markets, economic growth has come at the stark price of appalling levels of pollution.

    “But the Financial Times suggested that in China, home of the largest steel and aluminum industries in the world by far, steel output is under threat from Beijing’s “war on pollution.”

    “…The Financial Times suggests Beijing’s new Five Year Plan focuses on pollution. The plan will require legislation that will result in an unavoidable decline in steel output.”


    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “The Tangshan government issued a second-level pollution alert on March 8, urging heavy industrial companies such as steelmakers and coking plants to cut production accordingly…

      ““The market vomited $10/tonne in one day as financial investors misdiagnosed the impact of recent environmental restrictions on Tangshan steelmaking capacity,” Atilla Widnell, managing director at Navigate Commodities in Singapore, told Reuters.”


    • Regardless of whether the article claims the big concern is “pollution,” I think the underlying problem is that the Chinese cannot get the pricing to work any more. They need a quite high a price for coal now, because of mine depletion and the need to ship coal from distant mines. With these high prices, coal prices become too high to support steel making and the making of affordable electricity, both for the population and for industry of all kinds. China needs to cut back on heavy manufacturing because it can’t any more. “Pollution” is as good an excuse as any.

    • Ed says:

      Move the pollution to a poorer country like Vietnam.

    • Wolfbay says:

      China recently opened hundreds of new coal burning power plants to provide power for their green EVs

  15. MG says:

    I am a mutant…


    • MG says:

      “Rita Lee Jones (born 31 December 1947) is a Brazilian rock singer, composer and writer. She is a former member of the Brazilian band Os Mutantes and is a popular figure in Brazilian entertainment, where she is also known for being an animal rights activist and a vegan. She has sold more than 60 million albums worldwide[citation needed]. Her autobiography Rita Lee: Uma Autobiografia was the best-selling non-fiction book of 2017 in Brazil.[1]”


  16. Nehemiah says:

    How to get rich in business while your business goes broke:

    • Some notes on this video:

      An increasing share of companies are profitless. Why would anyone invest in an unprofitable company?

      New companies always start out being unprofitable.

      If a company a can claim to grow, they can get funding, like Uber and WeWork. They can have campaigns for more and more funds. Eventually, they get to the stage of being IPOs. IPOs used to be mostly companies that were already profitable, but increasingly IPOs are companies that are still unprofitable.

      In fact, some companies don’t have a working prototype of whatever they plan to sell, such as an electric truck.

      If these new companies cannot really raise prices to make themselves work, this investment is basically pointless.

      Profitless companies do well as long as investment money is plentiful because their owners don’t worry about the lack of profits. They are able to get more and more funding. Recessions help weed out the profitless companies.

  17. Grocery stores will be mandating it next:

  18. Czech police tackle man, put him in headlock for not wearing mask as toddler cries in viral clip (VIDEO)

    A disturbing video of police in the Czech Republic putting a man into a headlock after he allegedly refused to wear a face mask to protect against Covid-19 has gone viral and prompted an investigation.

    In the clip recorded on Wednesday in Uherske Hradiste, police can be seen tackling the maskless 40-year-old man to the ground and holding him in a headlock as his frantic three-year-old son cries.

  19. Vatican low on reserves to cover deficit, seeking donations

    ROME (AP) — The Vatican warned Friday that it has nearly depleted its financial reserves from past donations to cover budget deficits over recent years, as it urged continued giving from the faithful to keep the Holy See afloat and Pope Francis’ ministry going.

    The Vatican published its 2021 budget in its latest effort at greater financial transparency amid a predicted 50 million euro budget deficit this year. The aim is to reassure donors that their money is being well spent, following years of mismanagement that is currently the focus of a Vatican corruption investigation.

    • Xabier says:

      Plenty of treasures to sell in the Vatican Museum – many of them pagan, so they shouldn’t feel any loss…..

    • Robert Firth says:

      They could go back to selling indulgencies. For a mere EUR xxxx, the Holy Father shall petition God to protect you from the virus. After all, it worked during the Black Death (well, for the sellers, if not for the buyers).

      By the way, the spelling checker of this pathetic application does not recognise the word “indulgencies” It has only been part of our language for 500 years. Is it really so hard to connect to the online Oxford English Dictionary?

      • Bei Dawei says:

        It’s “indulgences.” The only i is at the beginning.

        That’ll be 10 Hail Marys and 30 push-ups. Vade in pacem.

        • Tim Groves says:

          Not so. I beg your indulgence. It’s a good Catholic word. Behold:

          Indulgencies are the teaching in the RCC that a payment of penance is given for “remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints”. (CCC 1471)


        • Robert Firth says:

          Thank you. You are right and I was wrong. Apologies to all.

    • I suppose lack of funding enters into decisions the the Pope makes on what to emphasize in his statement.

    • Nehemiah says:

      The most generous donors they have are likely to be congregants who detest Pope Francis, so raising funds may not be easy. The donors want to support hierarchs who actually believe in the Catholic faith. (Spellcheck does not recognize hierarch, a word that probably has been part of the English language for a thousand years–and I spelled it right.)

      • Robert Firth says:

        I agree. The RCC hierarchy are complaining that people have abandoned the church. The truth is the opposite: it was the church that abandoned the people.

        • Tim Groves says:

          I don’t think you were wrong, Robert. A bit old-fashioned is as far as I’d go. Indulgencies is a perfectly good English word; the plural of Indulgency, which is a common word around our way. I couldn’t get by without it!

          According to Collin’s Dictionary, we have,
          Indulgency (noun)
          1. the act of indulging or state of being indulgent. 2. a pleasure, habit, etc, indulged in; extravagance.

          And let’s not forget,

          Indulgency pattern: a management style in which the manager makes certain concessions to subordinates, rather than strictly enforcing every rule.

          Oh yes, the more I think about it, the more I think your apology was a kindly indulgency proffered with a view to maintaining the harmony of this beautiful website.

  20. There is only one courageous honest doctor in Ontario, who takes the Hippocratic Oath seriously.

    “I have never seen a patient sick with COVID-19.”

    My name is Mark Trozzi. I am a medical doctor; I graduated in 1990 from The University of Western Ontario. I have been practicing Emergency Medicine for the past twenty-five years; and I have been on call in multiple emergency units since the onset of the so-called “pandemic”, including one ER designated specifically for COVID-19.
    I am an Advanced Trauma Life Support professor with the College of Surgeons of America, and I hold teaching positions at Sunnybrook Health Sciences in the Advanced Life Support Department, as well as with both Queen’s University and The University of Ottawa.
    What follows is my observations and opinions; I am bound by my personal and religious convictions to speak openly and honestly. I do not have authority to tell you “the truth”, but I will share my honest experiences, perceptions, and digests of hundreds of hours of research on the subject of covid-19.
    At the onset of this “pandemic”, I was cautious and hence meticulous with N95 mask use, hand washing, social isolation and distancing etc. I studied coronavirus science and was deeply involved in many emergency department drills to modify our practice in profound ways to deal with the “killer virus” we were advertised. However, various things soon made me consider that we were being deceived and manipulated.

    The “first wave” of the “pandemic” was absolutely the quietest time in my career. I have worked very hard and been very busy over the past twenty-five years in ER.
    However, both in my regular ER and my “COVID-19 designated” ER, there were almost no patients, and almost no work. I had multiple long ER shifts without a single patient.
    Meanwhile, when I would go to the local grocery store, the propagandized public, God bless them, would usher me to the front of the antisocial distance line, thanking me for everything I was going through as a front-line emergency doctor.
    They believed that the ER’s and hospitals were full of patients dying from covid, and that I must be exhausted and at risk of dying myself from exposure. I began contacting doctors and friends all over Canada and the US, and found the same pattern: empty hospitals, and propaganda saying that they were full of patients dying of covid.

    • The first wave of COVID hit mainly highly populated areas. A lot of smaller areas were left behind. I don’t find this kind of story very helpful. Of course, a doctor in an outlying area wouldn’t have seen a COVID case at that time. But, who cares? There certainly were cases elsewhere, especially in nursing homes.

  21. Duncan Idaho says:

    It’s been a hundred years:
    Not that anyone would know.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      and now there needs to be an uprising against the leftistfascistMSM1984propaganda which is growing bolder and more oppressive.

      power to the people!

      • Tim Groves says:

        Would that be solar power? Or would you prefer a small wind turbine?

        • Kowalainen says:

          Is it possible to power rapacious primatery on unicorn farts? Does unicorn unobtanium rectal gasses burn with a clean blue flame in the furnaces of prosperity?

          • Nehemiah says:

            I think the powerful political movements of the last 2 centuries (democracy, feminism, anti-slavery, Marxism, fascism) derived their power from the rising expectations of the common man, and rising expectations were “fueled” mainly by coal and oil. Once our rich energy deposits have been more or less exhausted, we will likely return to a world of peasants ruled by autocrats, with a tiny middle class between the royals and the peasants. It was a fairly stable system, and rulers especially value stability. And the less literate the masses, the less trouble they cause.

            • Artleads says:

              I suspect that such autocrats would be decided by the gun. The masses are fickle, and will flock whither the strong command. They do it naturally, without thinking.

          • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

            yes, actually (now extinct) unicorns lived in caves and that is why we now have so much (underground) natural gas.


            • Tim Groves says:

              I expect they jousted themselves to death by jabbing each other six ways from Sunday, just like H.sapiens is now well on the way to doing.

    • Ed says:

      parties are crime organizations that serve themselves not the people, Yup!

  22. Zingibain from Ginger, which preferentially and specifically destroys proline-rich natural proteins.

    As mentioned above, while the infectious prion protein conformation resists breakdown with many proteolytic enzymes, its proline-rich structure makes prion an ideal target for destruction by Zingibain.

  23. Fast Eddy says:

    A class of eight- and nine-year old school children in Hong Kong is being sent to government-run quarantine facilities for a period that can last up to 14 days, after their teacher at a British international school contracted the coronavirus.

    Parents whose children attend the Kellett School, one of the pricey international schools that has been linked to a new cluster centered on the business and expatriate community, received emails from administrators about the forced quarantine orders on Friday. A class at Kellett numbers around 20 students.

    The school tried to protest the move, arguing that “these children were socially distanced at all times and both the teacher and students were wearing masks,” according to an email from Principal Mark Steed seen by Bloomberg News. The children can be accompanied by a parent or caregiver in quarantine, Steed wrote.


    This should serve as a reminder to ALWAYS fake scan on the covid app … or if you have to sign in manually feel free to use Fast Eddy Esquire… otherwise you could register a fake + or have been around someone who was a fake + … and spend two weeks in jail eating slop.

    Refuse CovIDIOCY. Fake Scan!!!

  24. Driven to Exterminate
    How Bill Gates brought gene drive extinction technology into the world

    In 2017, a secretive group of military advisors known as the JASON Group produced a classified study on gene drives commissioned by the US government which was tasked to address “what might be realizable in the next 3-10 years, especially with regard to agricultural applications.” The JASON Group was also informed by gene drive researchers who were present during a presentation on crop science and gene drives delivered by someone from Bayer-Monsanto. Other groups involved in gene drive discussions behind the scene include Cibus, an agricultural biotech firm, as well as agribusiness majors including Syngenta and Corteva Agriscience. The startup Agragene, whose co-founders are none other than the gene drive researchers Ethan Bier and Valentino Gantz of University of California at San Diego, “intends to alter plants and insects” using gene drives. The JASON Group and others have also raised the flag that gene drives have biowarfare potential—in part explaining the strong interest of US and other militaries in the technology.

    Shaping the Narrative Around Gene Drives

    Not only has the Gates Foundation funded the underlying tools of the syn bio industry and moulded gene drive research for years, it has also been quietly working behind the scenes to influence the adoption of these risky technologies. The way in which policy and public relations about gene drives research has been shaped by the Foundation becomes clear when one examines what happened immediately after the creation of the first functional gene drives with CRISPR Cas9 technology in late 2014.

    In early 2015, the US National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine announced that they would have a major inquiry into gene drives—an unprecedented move for such a brand new (only months old) technology. The study did not explore just the science of gene drives, but also aimed to frame issues around policy, ethics, risk assessment, governance and public engagement around gene drives. It was sponsored by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, through the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Foundation for the National Institutes of Health (FNIH). Several panel members were recipients of Gates funds.

    Predictive Programming from the X-Files:

    Higher airborne pollen concentrations correlated with
    increased SARS-CoV-2 infection rates, as evidenced
    from 31 countries across the globe

    • According to the first of your links,

      In the case of the Anopheles gambiae project (that Gates bankrolls), a gene drive is designed to interfere with the fertility of the mosquito: essential genes for fertility would be removed, preventing the mosquitoes from having female offspring or from having offspring altogether. These modified mosquitoes would then pass on their genes to a high percentage of their offspring, spreading auto-extinction genes throughout the population. In time, the entire species would in effect be completely eliminated.

      I think Bill and Melinda Gates have too much time and money on their hands. They think that they can “play God” and fix things they don’t really understand very well.

      • Nehemiah says:

        Gates is bankrolling it because he likes the idea, but I am 100% confident that it is the brainchild of some professional or academic researcher somewhere. In fact, I first read about this idea quite a number of years ago, although I don’t remember exactly when. They are focused on Anopheles gambiae because it is the species that most commonly carries the Plasmodium viruses, although Aedes aegypti is also a carrier. I seem to recall vaguely that they did release some GM mosquitoes in Brazil some years back, but I don’t know how well that worked out. However, if they could eradicate Anopheles, it would be a boon to mankind, especially in the tropics.

        Malaria (apparently vivax, the least deadly of the four main Plasmodium viruses, but it still killed a lot of people, especially young children, but the very deadly falciparum may have been present in the Mediterranean area at times, and I could well imagine that falciparum could thrive in parts of the American South as well) used to be rather common in northern Europe and North America (especially the southern states), but urbanization and DDT wiped it out in the 20th century. However, I could certainly imagine it returning one day, in the post-peak world. I had 2 ancestors who died from “swamp fever” (malaria) in the antebellum South.

        As FF decline, society will de-urbanize and more people will be working out doors doing manual labor, air conditioning will gradually become rare, and there will be more local livestock, especially beasts of burden, so I could well imagine that under those conditions malaria could make a comeback, along with yellow fever and breakbone (dengue) fever. Although I am far from optimistic, if we could somehow find a way to eliminate Anopheles gambiae or Aedes aegypti, or ideally both, I would be all for it, and I certainly support giving it a try. This is Gates’ slim chance to rehabilitate his reputation after some of the more idiotic ideas he has backed, such as cooling the planet (!), a bizarrely mad scientist type idea that reminds me of the old “Simpsons” episode where the sinister local oligarch tried to block out the sun so his customers would have to buy more electricity.

        • Xabier says:

          Quite a few cities in the Classical Age did in fact collapse due to malarial sickness, as occupation became untenable.

          But you are otherwise incorrect: there is nothing on this earth that can redeem Bill Gates. Nothing.

          The Devil often brings some gifts, but is no less himself…..

        • Robert Firth says:

          When I lived in Nigeria (1950s and 60s) we had a simple way of dealing with malaria: take a small plane, and spray the stagnant water where the larvae lived. No, not with poison: with palm oil. Cheap, natural, and biodegradable. A thin film of oil on the water broke the surface tension that allowed the larvae to breath, and they drowned.

          Until a government minister decided to “appropriate” the small plane for his own use, and malaria came back.

    • hillcountry says:

      That Pollen Paper is really interesting. Thanks

  25. Some thoughts:

    The mRNA sequence makes the spike protein hang aroud a lot longer than originally thought, and some of it makes it across the BBB.

    That means some neurons become ‘spike factories’.

    The spikes whether mRNA-produced or adenovirus-encapsulated are dangerous if they are prion-generators. Prions themselves are extremely stable and one prion is enough to start the cascade.

    There are two Prion proteins in the Covid spike protein. The same Spike protein perfectly copied in the Pfizer/Moderna pathogenic virus vax. Each injection has 50X10tenth power of virus injected into the deltoid muscle, plenty of Prions to wreck a person.

    The RNA sequence in the vaccine contains sequences believed to induce TDP-43 and FUS to aggregate in their prion based conformation leading to the development of common neurodegerative diseases. In particular it has been shown that RNA sequences GGUA, UG rich sequences, UG tandem repeats and G Quadruplex sequences, have increased affinity to bind TDP-43 and or FUS and may cause TDP-43 or FUS to take their pathologic configurations in the cytoplasm.

    With that density of potential Prion generation, we’re not talking years.

    Any vaccine that replicates the spike could cause neurodegenerative diseases because the prion-genesis is in the spike.

    SARS-CoV-2 prion-like domains in spike proteins enable higher affinity to ACE2
    They ran the spike protein throu PLAAC and got a positive hit for prion-genesis.

    The S1 protein of SARS-CoV-2 crosses the blood–brain barrier in mice

    Potential treatment for Prion disease – The curious antiprion activity of antimalarial quinolines

    • Xabier says:

      And this is just why they should not have been approved -i at all – for about 9 years (8 years of development and proper trials, and one year to set up production processes.)

      A sane, cautious, and well-informed person would do well to regard any attempt to inject one with these substances at this stage as tantamount to attempted murder.

      Coercion into ‘vaccination’ -which is being done behind the scenes, or even openly as in Israel, one of the epicentres of this evil – is nothing less than a crime against humanity.

      The corrupt regulators who have waived this through with only cursory oversight, and the politicians, are to be regarded in this light and no other.

      And now it is clear that the bastards are after the children – and, Fauci indicated, babies.

    • But at this point, we have no idea regarding whether such quinoline treatments would actually work.

  26. jarvis says:

    In my home province of British Colombia our power supplier (BC Hydro) is building a massive dam that was reported to cost $8 billion and now that it’s almost half way finished the cost now has escalated to $16 billion. The puzzling thing here is this dam has an estimated power output of
    $2 billion in clean hydro electric power! The clean part is funny in a sick sort of way but even if they get the finished dam in at $16 billion you have to ask yourself why spend upwards of $10 billion
    ( my uneducated guess) of oil energy to create $2 billion in electrical energy? Probably I’m wrong in my estimate and the whole $16 billion should be considered oil energy?

    My solar system cost me $25K and I might recoup $2 to $3K in electrical energy but it’s worth it to me as I’d sooner have lights and running water than $25K of useless currency in the bank but this makes sense to me and I wonder if it will ever make sense on this Site C dam project?

    In case anyone is wondering why we need all that extra power when we are already in electrical power surplus with our multitude of hydro electric dams? We want to sell our surplus gas to China and we need a “green” way to compress that natural gas so we can ship it eastwards! With luck we should have everything up and running just as Russia finishes it’s pipeline to China rendering the whole project useless!

    • I am guessing what you are talking about is Site C Dam on the Peace River. According to Wikipedia, it is a “run of the river” dam. It will have and installed capacity of 900MW, and an annual output of 5,100 GWh of electricity, based on a capacity factor of .65. The initial cost is now estimated to be $16 billion. There will also be the loss of a large amount of agricultural land, which is part of the objection to the dam, besides its high cost.

      If the dam really produces 5,100 GWh of electricity, we don’t know exactly how much it will sell for on the wholesale market. Let’s say $.03 per kWh. At that price, the value of the electrical output will be $153 million per year. If the dam lasts 105 years, it will pay back its cost, assuming that there are no other costs involved. I don’t know how long the dam will last, but given the difficulty they seem to be having building it, I would not guess very long. Maybe 20 years. Then the value of the output would be $3 billion in electrical energy. But it really depends on how long it lasts. You might be right with $2 billion. But if the dam can be made to last 105 years, it might eventually pay back its original cost.

      I live not too far from the two new Vogtle nuclear power plants that are being built in Georgia. The total cost of the two new plants is (if In understand things correctly) now estimated to be about $27 billion dollars in total. They are rated at 2,430 MW capacity. US nuclear power plants historically have operated at a 90% capacity factor. If they are able to sell their electricity at $.03 per kWh, the annual revenue they will generate will be $575 million. They will pay back their cost in 47 years. Nuclear power plants, in fact, do last 60 years (if the economy doesn’t crash and you can get fuel for them). So this high-cost nuclear power is still a whole lot less expensive than the run of the river hydroelectric.

      I think the idea behind the new capacity is the concern that we will have less oil and gas (or climate change will be such an issue that we can’t use it), so British Columbia will want more electricity generation. One website suggested that they were aiming for 40% more electricity production. Electricity represents only 18% of energy use in British Columbia now. Perhaps electricity can be used in more ways in the future, such as home heating or operating private passenger autos.

      I can’t imagine that EROEI would give reasonable insight into what is going on. It is too blunt a tool. Cost is better. It at least gets at a wider range of inputs.

      • vbaker says:

        As far as electric power goes, hydro generates 90% of BC’s energy. Lots of easy to dam water sources, and tunneling, made it easy for the province to be self sufficient and even export power.

        Site C might be built out of concern for the future. However, some speculate that its being built as a form of carbon arbitrage for the oil sands. Those operations are about a 1000 km to the east, so there would be some transmission loss for that, but perhaps at an acceptable level.

        Initially, I was very against Site C. Perhaps there is some rationality to building additional energy sources while we still can.

      • Kowalainen says:

        20 years? Most hydro dams in Sweden is inching toward a century of operation by now. Hydro power should be built ASAP. Inflation will eat the capex in no time and after some 20 years it will rake in the profits with minimal upkeep.

        Hydro power is the undisputed ruler of all power generation.

        Amateurs dabble with “green” tech, professionals with fossil fuels and masters with hydroelectric.

        • This is a “run of the river” dam. It seems to be experimental. They are having a terrible time building it. This is why it is “iffy.” It is a new kind of dam that environmentalists prefer.

          • Kowalainen says:

            I think they prefer the easy money. The dam will likely be an useless artifact.

          • Robert Firth says:

            Gail, instead of a “run of the river” dam, why not generate the energy with a few dozen Archimedean screws. They power Windsor Castle, if memory serves.

            You may need a longer run to get enough energy, but you will save the agricultural land.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Build those proper dams and grow fish and edible algae in the reservoirs. Yes, indeed, let’s build moar artificial ecosystems as mankind always have been busy with.

              Dredge the sedimentation and sell that to farmers with depleted soils. Mix it up with fertilizer and watch it grow like mad.

              Why do I need to run the world?


      • Nehemiah says:

        Gail wrote: “But if the dam can be made to last 105 years, it might eventually pay back its original cost.”–so it would be sort of like buying a giant battery with a 105 year life expectancy. Does payback time take into account the time value of money? Regardless, it is probably worth it given that there may be very little electricity being produced by other means 100 years from now.

    • rufustiresias999 says:

      I installed a firewood stove iin my house. A beautiful one, and efficient. I also had to to do some other fixes and arrangements in the house to be able to install it. So in the end it was rather expensive. Firewood heating is the less expensive heating system where I live. But I still depend on natural gas heating since the stove can’t heat the whole house nor heat the water. I made a raw calculation and it will take more than 40 years to get the money invested back.
      I don’t mind because I chose to install the stove because I like it, it’s much pleasant, and in a case of slow collapse, if we experience momentary shortages of gas or electricity (like in Texas last month) I still can heat the house.

    • hillcountry says:


      I wonder if this is similar to your personal decision on solar, only on a larger scale?

      And if this is indicative of what energy fragmentation (and segregation in a sense) looks like. My brother just made the decision on solar and 15kw battery back-up. He can afford it and is not looking for it to pay for itself. It’s the price of convenience and peace of mind.

  27. Lidia17 says:

    Someone took issue with an 80k yearly flu-death number for the US as an upper bound. I know I had seen it somewhere, perhaps not here.

    • I think that was a “high” year.

    • Nehemiah says:

      Let’s be clear. No one took issue with 80k as an upper bound. 60 to 80k was initially cited as though it were a typical seasonal flu mortality number. I took issue with that because I have previously read from a highly credible source that the typical number (not upper bound!) is more like 30,000, and some physicians think even that is a overestimate. It comes from a computer model, not an actual count. *After* I disputed the 60-80k number, it suddenly became an “upper bound” number, which is not how it was presented at the beginning of the thread.

      • Lidia17 says:

        The fact remains that the “covid” deaths in my state were well under the upper bound for the flu. So if there is no flu -none- then what is “covid” and what isn’t? We simply don’t know, and that is intentional.

        • NomadicBeer says:

          I am with you here. Worst case scenario if everything the propagandists say it’s true, we are dealing with a mild flu-like pandemic that affects the people close to death.

          But instead of debating the insane overreaction most covid-supporters prefer to fight over details (like the flu deaths above).

          It reminds me of the creationists and their quibbling over some fossil. In their minds, a misinterpreted dinosaur fossils proves that God created the world 6000 years ago.

          Similarly, some people here think that if the flu deaths are 50k instead of 80k that proves that we are in the middle of the great plague.

          It’s one way to cope with cognitive dissonance.
          As for me, I accept that I have no idea what the so-called leaders are trying to do but given the history of every collapsing civilization – it’s not good.

  28. Mirror on the wall says:

    >> Privacy campaigners slam secret ‘Snooper’s Charter’ surveillance tests as Home Office teams up with police and two internet firms to spy on people’s web browsing history

    The Home Office and National Crime Agency have for months been trialling surveillance technology that could log and store the search history of every person in the UK.


  29. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    The Great Reset is coming or is upon us all!
    For History Buffs that enjoy a fascinating topic of a past currency reset of the Roman Empire under the direction of Diocletian and his co-rulers, know together as the Tetrarchy, four man shared divided provinces to halt rebellious generals and provide a means of orderly succession in theory.
    Diocletian realized the Empire was too vast for just one ruler.
    So, by the time he become ruler the main denomination was the double denarius, basically a silvered washed Bullion coin marked with a value XXI, with little actual good and silver in circulation.
    He attempted to reform and have the 3 metals back in circulation.
    Unfortunately, it was not a success for a multiple of reasons.


    A rise in prices leading to hyperinflation gave him the honor of instituting the first state wide price controls of basically all items and pay. To this day there are copies etched in stone and papyrus from that day and in fragments ….
    It was not until the first Christian Emperor, Constantine the Great, who raided Pagan temples for gold and silver and created a gold coin, named the Solidus, which endured as the reserve Dollar for centuries, come back in circulation. A silver coin, termed the Siliqua, also circulated.
    The lower denomination also seemed to fluctuate widely in weight and repeated attempts to reset. Up to the time of Valentinian and his brother Valens it was silver washed and afterwards just copper.
    The write is fascinating and perhaps History will repeat itself…..at least Author, Investor Jim Rogers thinks so….

    • Once this news gets out, it won’t help the “salability” of the other vaccines, either.

      • Xabier says:

        That won’t matter one bit: they will be imposed on us!

        No vaccination, no job, shopping, leisure events welfare, or medical care, credit – no nothing.

        It’s ready started; quite blatantly in Israel, more low-key in the UK, etc.

    • I found this article about the vaccine rollout in the UK, when I was trying to figure out the relative number of Pfizer doses relative to AstraZeneca doses. My impression, based on the total number ordered and the difficulty of administering the Pfizer vaccine, is that the Astra Zeneca doses outnumber the Pfizer doses at least by a ratio of 2:1, and perhaps a ratio of 3:1 or 4:1. Thus, even though the number of deaths and injuries reported in the UK are lower for the Pfizer vaccine, that is likely because there are quite a few fewer of the Pfizer vaccine doses being given.


      The UK is stretching out the time period between doses, so the vast majority are only on the first dose. It is my impression that bad reactions often come on the second dose. So these are mostly missing.

      Also, Britain has order enough vaccines to vaccinate the population three times over. They are now committed to using what they ordered. They are talking about a third round of doses later in the year.

      • Xabier says:

        I will very gladly donate my three doses to someone who would feel safer if they take them. I’d so hate them to be wasted.

        I mean, if having taken three doses means no death, as some imbecile actually write on the net (‘I’m so grateful, I don’t have to worry about dying now!’) then six might take one to the verge of immortality.

        I’m quite reconciled to being mortal: in fact, it’s one’s guaranteed exit ticket from the madhouse.

  30. dolph says:

    You guys realize you’ve been at this for 12, 13 years right now, right? You guys realize that the average readership age here might very well be in the 60s.

    I want everyone here to stop what they are doing right now and look in the mirror. You aren’t going to die of collapse. You are going to die of old age.

    Yes, some younger and middle aged people might die of collapse, but that is their problem to deal with, and they are too busy trying to survive and live life than to give a care.

    You guys are way too ahead of the curve. Very few of you reading this will live to see what you think about and predict.

    • hillcountry says:

      Like the Emperor’s Rice Doubling on a Checker Board So Are the Days of Our Lives

      Guess we’ll see how that all works out. Non-linearity can be a cruel master.

      • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

        The Petri Dish is just about all maxed out and not much left of the hello to eat…that’s too bad.
        BTW, at the start the Professor stated the greatest shortcoming of the humans is their lack of understanding of the exponential function!
        Tell that to all the financial advisors and Economists that lay that principle out as the number one ground rule to investing….that is their Truth…

    • Bobby says:

      Yo, everyone has to find their own way out of the matrix , including you
      Many of us are here because we’re on the exhaling, humorous side of life.


    • VFatalis says:

      By the time we reach Q3 your bubble of denial will pop

      • Bei Dawei says:

        We “reach Q3” on July 1. Are you sure you want to commit yourself to collapse in 3 and a half months? Or should I put you down for the end of Q3?

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        a mere 294 days remain in 2021.

        sure a giant black swan could fly in at any moment, but it is unlikely in such a small window of time.

        a peripheral country or two or three could descend into chaos, but it is a low probability for the Core countries which should wobble through 2021 with QBAU intact.

        but I am curious.

        exactly what is it that will pop the bubble within the next 4 months?

        • VFatalis says:

          Does the names of Dolores Cahill, Sherri Tenpenny, Lee Merritt, Alexandra Henrion Caude or Geert Vanden Bossche ring a bell ?

          • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

            they do talk a lot.

            now will you answer less evasively and more directly?

    • Nehemiah says:

      @Dolph, I really hope you are right! I love fossil fuels! But think about this: lily pads in an imaginary lake have been doubling every day. After 23 days of doubling (its a really big lake), today the lake is only half filled. How many days remain until the lake is completely covered?

      • Yorchichan says:

        The doubling time for human population or the usage of any particular resource you care to name is rather more than a day.

        • Nehemiah says:

          @yorichan, It doesn’t matter–and it is not really population growth I have in mind. Let us say that consumption of an essential resource rises at such a rate that half of it is exhausted every x years. No matter how big the resource, eventually you will be x years from getting down to a single remaining unit of the resource, and then its gone.

          This is a simplified model to illustrate the principle. I know reality is more complex. Eventually it becomes harder to extract the resource, so extraction rates slow down, making it last longer–but also forcing consumers to make do with less. In the case of energy resources, that means a shrinking GDP, not for a year or two, but for a very long time, because production of goods and services cannot increase without using more energy, because energy is required to do work. Indeed, that is the definition of energy in basic physical science. Less energy=less work=less production=more poverty. That is the future of the Industrial Revolution. Let us entitle its last chapter, “The Great Unwind.” Man tried to reach for the stars, but he inevitably came up short, his fate having been inscribed beforehand in the laws of physics.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      You are right … what we are going to die of is whatever is in the Lethal Injection

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      bravo dolph bravo!

      though exponential changes in global finances and economics could bring a swift end to IC, the CBs/govs of the Core will continue to duct tape the weak places and hopefully with no fatal mistake where something crucial breaks behind the scenes.

      but the real base of fin/econ is energy supply, and while it did plunge about 9% in 2020, it seems to have stabilized so far in 2021.

      IF energy supply decreases linearly, then QBAU could hold for another decade or two.

      • Nehemiah says:

        Even if energy supply should decrease linearly, the linear decrease would still trigger lots of non-linear events within the larger system.

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:


          devastating events probably will continue to occur mostly in smaller weaker countries, then more and more into Core countries, and first in non-essential services and products.

          a linear decrease in energy supply could give the system enough time to continually adjust and eliminate non-essentials at a rate that could ensure that essentials continue for a long time.

          or not.

          maybe it all collapses in a month or a year, though I am still guessing about a decade.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Hi Dolph! And thanks for the reality check.

      You are a medical man, and what I’d really like to know is your view on the advisability of taking a Covid-19 vaccine or two, and of wearing a mask or two simultaneously while working for ten hours a day, day in, day out. Please share some of your wisdom and expertise on these to issues.

  31. U.K. trade with EU plunges as Brexit turns from talk to reality

    U.K. trade with the European Union deteriorated in the first month since the Brexit split, suggesting commercial relations between the two economies will suffer more than the British government advertised.

    U.K. goods exports to the EU fell almost 41 per cent in January from a month earlier, while imports from the bloc dropped 29 per cent, data from the Office for National Statistics showed Friday. The hardest-hit EU imports were machinery and transport equipment, especially cars, and medicinal and pharmaceutical products.

    Importers on both sides of the channel built up inventories ahead of the Jan. 1 split, leading to less cross-border freight shipped by air, sea and rail and largely avoiding the prolonged traffic jams that many critics had predicted.

    • Wow! Commercial relations have gone downhill, because of the extra paperwork and likely slower timing of the transactions. Perhaps there can be some recovery, but even after recovery, there will be less trade with the EU, I expect.

    • All of the US Treasury interest rates at varying maturities are up, a lot!

    • hillcountry says:

      Not to worry – Bernanke told us the Fed has an infinite-capacity fire-hose and a mainline connection to the Ogallala Aquifer. He used the term ‘Printing Press’ in his famous quote but I’m sure FedGov saw the future from a Rumsfeldian “we create it, you report it” point of view.

      I think Keith Weiner’s got a handle on where it goes from here. He doesn’t think we’re quite at the precipice yet. His view is unique in terms of his focus on the “unsuspected” capital-destruction resulting from the mathematics of ever-lower interest rates and the borrowing thereby engendered, enabling a large percentage of Zombie Companies whose net revenues can’t even pay the interest on the debt they have managed to accumulate in such a financial environment.

      Keith sees a Fedcoin coming to a theater near us. Says it’s under some sort of institutional discussion. No guarantee, but highly probable. He discusses a number of issues FedGov has in keeping things liquid and how to handle those who don’t have bank accounts and who rely heavily on cash.

      Remember when Russia devalued the Ruble and a lot of cash-hoarding pensioners got screwed? If I recall, there was a limit they were allowed to swap-out for the new currency. There might be something similar as we go digital-currency. Not that there’s much physical cash being stashed at home these days anyway. On a side note, have you noticed the counterfeit-money scenes in movies and television shows like Good Girls? In one scene where the woman is laundering cash at a big-box store, she almost panics when the cashier runs her stack of bills through a counting-machine that also detects fakes, telling her that the pens they used to use for detection didn’t work very well. That plants a seed pretty deep in the soil of our consciousness about cash doesn’t it? Why they don’t let us print our own cash at this point is beyond me. Just kidding.

      But, the digital-transition is still a big psychological hurdle, so there’s got to be some fierce debate about how to roll it out most effectively or maybe the system just pushes out various implementations to see what has the most impact. It seems like all the racks of Corporate Cash-Cards we see in so many stores have already conditioned a certain segment of the population for the digital-money transition.

      Anyone know if they’re Time Stamped?

      Keith regularly shows the really long-term chart of rates on notes and bonds. They’re still on the down-slope so far. He thinks the recent rises are just a normal fluctuation, a breather, on the way down even further.

      More speculatively:

      These days, a Fedcoin-system could easily put a Time-Stamp on domestic funds. Use ’em or lose ’em kind of thing. Decrementing your account automatically. Might a resulting increased Money Velocity due to that incentive not to hoard/save this Fedcoin account balance, be a counter-balance to existing Deflationary Energy Realities? You know, force everyone high and low to “finance” an increased production of goods, (like we’re all extensions of dot Gov policy); production that is enabled by said velocity’s support of high-enough prices to keep the profit numbers elevated, and keep the train on the tracks for a while longer, even as rates on primary-market debt lead the way into negative territory. Each of the large sovereign entities on Earth could have their own Fedcoin and cooperatively manage the back-office to avoid big wars. They could have an Expert Computer System manage a Clean Float between Currencies and eliminate a ton of FX trading at the same time.

      How a Domestic Fedcoin implementation might impact foreign Treasury and Euro Dollar flows, if it’s launched prior to others doing so, is probably quite complicated. Maybe a two-tier system for a while? They gotta keep rolling-out dollars to save the debt, but the system as it is can barely keep overnight-funds flush. And imagine what Derivative Counter Party Settlement problems could look like, being nominally magnitudes larger than bond-markets. Trust issues have to be over-the-top there.

      The recent Repo Market Fiasco reminds me of Water-and-Sewer Problems in Detroit, where low-pressure events create a risk of sewage-influx into water-mains. The sewer mains which always leak, were laid parallel to the water mains. There’s still a lot of very old pipe down there that’s sealed with rosin-fiber compounds and which thus require positive pressure to keep things out. Low-Pressure Events are often met with over-reactions at the various pumping-stations, and these can burst water-mains via too much pressure.

      We should probably let plumbing-savvy physicists design our next financial system.

      One prognosticator 20-years ago said that in the final analysis, they’d “destroy the currency to save the debt”. He also said kind of ominously, “if you didn’t like the last system you won’t like the next”. Strange way to phrase it, eh? I think he’s going to be correct.

      • I thought this point was interesting:

        “Remember when Russia devalued the Ruble and a lot of cash-hoarding pensioners got screwed? If I recall, there was a limit they were allowed to swap-out for the new currency. There might be something similar as we go digital-currency.”

        I wonder what would happen to Bill Gates. There would likely be an exception, I expect.

        The big question is how to keep the whole system going, and countries trading with each other, despite huge problems everywhere.

        • Nehemiah says:

          I think Gates’ wealth is mostly in stocks (and bonds and real estate). He can raise more cash when he needs it, but he could not raise as much cash as he is worth. For example, if he tried to sell off too much Microsoft stock, the value would fall.

  32. Fred says:

    Good article on the forces of censorship trying to maintain the narrative: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/03/05/web-elite-extremists-behind-censorship-of-mercola.aspx?

    Mercola is producing lots of useful articles right now.

    Good article on our energy predicament that reaches the same end conclusion as Gail’s material but he presents with a different flavour: https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2021/03/09/a-zero-sum-game/

    Personally speaking, the whole COVID schmozzle has pushed me back down a spiritual path I explored a few years back. As Bob said all those years ago: “There must be some way out of here . . . “.

    • Hubbs says:

      You forgot to mention the joker (the economist) and the thief (the government).

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        My goodness, music used to sound like that!

        “There must be some kind of way out of here”

        The Dylan lyrics echo the announcement of the fall of Babylon in Isaiah 21:5-9 – and the guitar music in some sense represents it.

        > No reason to get excited
        The thief, he kindly spoke
        There are many here among us
        Who feel that life is but a joke
        But, uh, but you and I, we’ve been through that
        And this is not our fate
        So let us stop talkin’ falsely now
        The hour’s getting late, hey

        • Tim Groves says:

          The man deserves a Nobel!

          There’s an evening’ haze settlin’ over the town
          Starlight by the edge of the creek
          The buyin’ power of the proletariat’s gone down
          Money’s gettin’ shallow and weak
          The place I love best is a sweet memory
          It’s a new path that we trod
          They say low wages are a reality
          If we want to compete abroad

          My cruel weapons have been put on the shelf
          Come sit down on my knee
          You are dearer to me than myself
          As you yourself can see
          I’m listening’ to the steel rails hum
          Got both eyes tight shut
          Just sitting here trying to keep the hunger from
          Creeping it’s way into my gut

          Meet me at the bottom, don’t lag behind
          Bring me my boots and shoes
          You can hang back or fight your best on the front line
          Sing a little bit of these workingman’s blues

    • Thanks for the links. Mercola makes good points. Regarding “The Consciousness of Sheep,” I disagree in two ways with the article:

      First, I think that this is misleading:

      Importantly, within the total global economy are two broad sectors: a large energy-consuming sector and a smaller energy-producing sector. These approximate to the difference between discretionary and non-discretionary consumption in the economy.

      The economic system has a whole lot of parts to it. For example, containers are necessary, and having them at the “correct” ports is terribly important to the operation of the economy. We cannot simply assume the economy will operate without international trade. We cannot simply assume that the economy will operate without the ability to repay debt with interest. Something very bad is likely to happen, sort of like my image of the economy falling down in pieces.

      Secondly, both Tim Watkins and Tim Morgan have fallen for all of the material put out by the EROEI folks over the years, regarding how EROEI should work. This is the way the developers of the EROEI calculation hoped that they would work. In fact, the calculations don’t really work as people assume they do. The EROEI of wind is great, if you look at most numbers, mostly because it compares apples to oranges. Even the EROEI of energy from oil from shale is good. The people claiming that wind and solar and oil from shale will save us have EROEI numbers to back them up.

      Tim Watkins does point out that it is the total “exergy” that is important. This is pretty much the same as the total “net energy.” It is what we get out of the system. Actually, it needs to match up with the uses we have for the system as well. If there are substantial shortfalls in any one area, there will need to be cutbacks.

      In particular, if there is not enough oil being produced, there will have to be fewer goods shipped internationally. Supply lines will be broken. There will be debt defaults and failing companies. Interest rates will rise. Eventually the overall system will collapse. Watkins is of the “use less and it all will work out fine” school of thought, which is similar to what the EROEI folks have been saying. Tim Morgan is from this school of thought as well. Both Watkins and Morgan indirectly believe too much in the ideas of infinite energy substitutability and rising energy prices fixing all energy problems.

      • Nehemiah says:

        I think EROEI is a sound concept. The EROEI of shale oil is not great, but good enough IF you look only at the sweetest of the sweet spots. But if you average together all the fracking sites, it’s nothing to brag about.

        Wind is supposedly 18, but that doesn’t include storage which brings the number well down into the single digits, and I don’t think it includes back up either. Yet even aside from storage and backup, I strongly suspect it is overestimated. There are a lot of maintenance costs, there are decommissioning costs, the rated energy production has not panned out in practice, rates of decay in energy production apparently were underestimated, and there have been reports of winds changing the altitude at which they blow after the turbines were erected.

        Also, the wind itself is a finite energy resource. I recall that one paper concluded that if you scaled wind power up to a certain plausible level that the wind would just stop blowing, which would have a truly drastic effect on the planetary climate. Even before you got to that point, reduced wind would noticeably affect earth’s climate in ways that might not be benign.

        Wind turbines also use a lot of material, and some of these materials would likely become short in supply if we tried to scale up, and extracting the remaining resource would require more and more energy, reducing the EROEI further. Energy is the most important but not the only bottleneck that we are facing. Helium and rhodium are just the canaries in the coal mine.

        • The EROEI of wind varies greatly. You can find purported EROEI figures of 50+ for some wind turbines.

          • Thenlondbeast says:

            Perhaps it’s better to say EROI is a heuristic, by which I’d mean that it’s useful for conveying the concept of net energy bu is not that useful in measuring or comparing. Maybe like body mass index – the general principal that shorter people who are heavier than taller people are likely to be less healthy weight. Certainly not perfect but a decent general line of thinking.

            • Also, most fossil fuel EROIs are actual “in and out” in a given calendar year. The wind and solar and shale oil EROEIs are “what we hope in and out will be over the next 30 years, assuming everything goes as planned.” Boundaries for what should be measured are very iffy, as well. Also, of what real use is intermittent electricity?

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              Tim Morgan in particular is very good at analyzing the past up to the present in an energy perspective.

              though he is overly optimistic about the future because he tends to focus on past linear changes and seems to overlook the very real exponential possibilities which we discuss here at OFW.

              his last post:

              “… the undermining of this energy dynamic is exactly what we’ve been experiencing over a protracted period. Global trend ECoE has risen from 2.6% in 1990 to 9.2% now.”

              he doesn’t use EROI but instead Energy Cost of Energy.

              based on his calculations, overall global EROI was about 40 in 1990 and is now about 11.

              that sounds like a very reasonable estimate, and shows the basis of the irreversible economic problems which the world is now experiencing.

      • houtskool says:

        The problem is, imho, ‘money’ became debt. And debt became the Tesla that, eventually, needed a $ 900,- charge a day during winter storms.

        One cannot land the intermediate of exchange on mars without proper thinking. We took advantage of FF, and leveraged it beyond imagination through debt as money.

        The desert at the table of consequences is melting. Please report at the table you can afford.

        • Nehemiah says:

          @houtskool, “the desert at the table of consequences is melting”–Boy, was I confused by that metaphor! I thought you might be a fanatical global warmist (melting deserts?), and maybe table meant plateau, but then I realized you meant “dessert.”

  33. Harry McGibbs says:

    “On the one-year anniversary of its declaration of a global pandemic, the World Trade Organization stayed the course Thursday and failed, again, to reach an agreement on a proposal to temporarily waive any intellectual property rights for vaccines and treatments related to COVID-19…

    “In the U.S. and the developed countries, advocacy groups responded to the latest inaction with outrage.

    “”It is disappointing that despite the majority of the world being on the side of the TRIPS Waiver, it has been blocked by a few countries once again,” Katie Gallogly-Swan, a policy coordinator for the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development, said in a statement to Law360. “It is time to accept that we are not on track to vaccinate the world.””


    • There is a need to keep the profits of the companies making the vaccine high. At the same time, it becomes very clear that vaccinating everyone in the world is a total impossibility. People without enough food are not going to be able to pay even $1 for a vaccine.

  34. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Hopes in Cuba that sugar exports would soften an economic slowdown and plug an exchangeable currency gap appear in vain, with state media reports of output at least 200,000 metric tons short of forecasts for the end of February.

    “The harvest has been plagued by a dearth of fuel and spare parts for mills and machinery, cane shortages and low yields [the drought not mentioned but also a factor] and a COVID-19 outbreak in at least one of 38 active mills.”


    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “‘People are hungry’: 400,000 Jamaicans food insecure… the Jamaican economy has been on the verge of recession prior to the country confirming its first case of the coronavirus on March 10 last year.”


      • Harry McGibbs says:

        “Panama mired in severe economic hardship after year of coronavirus:

        ““We have to apply the vaccine and trust in it, we have no other choice,” Yolanda Ngichingkee, a nurse in Panama’s capital, told Efe while placing a dose in a refrigerator.”


      • Hubbs says:

        Perhaps people may have to reweigh the risk- benefit of being mildly to modestly overweight, despite the increased health risks. After all, there must be a survivorship advantage in having the ability to store high energy producing fat in case of famine. Not that it is an annual trial as in bears having to store enough fat to survive hibernation.

        I constantly remind my daughter, who maintains optimum weight at 128 lbs at 5′-5″ whenever she throws away any uneaten food (especially milk and cereal) that there are a billion people in this world that would scramble for what she just threw down the sink.

    • The supply chain for producing sugar has all kinds of pieces to it. If any part is at a sub-optimal level, the total supply of sugar produced will be low. Without enough sugar exports, the relativity of the currency to the US$ will be low as well.

  35. Aussie Navy in COVID Jab Cover Up After Mass Adverse Reactions?

    This is a developing story. Mainstream media pulls original story of Australian sailors on HMAS Sydney suffering widespread adverse reactions to COVID19 vaccinations. Sanitized version refers only to “mild side effects” despite the fact the ship’s crew needed hospitalization.

    This latest setback for the pro-vaccine lobby follows soon after the Australian government performs a U-turn on mass vaccination policy the day after the Australian Health Minister falls ‘critically ill’ immediately after getting his COVID jab.

    So, whenever the mainstream media conspires to quietly ‘disappear’ web pages of a story it has already reported on you can bet something far bigger and worrisome is being covered up.

    In this latest case, the UK’s Daily Mail yesterday pulled a story from their pages about adverse COVID jab reactions among the crew of an Australian war ship.

    Direct from Australia, a valued contact told us by email:

    “Our health minister is still in the hospital from the day after he had his injection! Not a word about the navy hospitalisations. What a way to take out a country’s military… In just one jab!”

    Our contact refers to the story earlier this week of Australian Health Minister, Gregg Hunt, who was taken seriously ill in a “critical condition” after he received his dose of the untested, experimental vaccine. In a statement on Tuesday evening his office stated that Minister Hunt had:

    “been admitted to hospital with a suspected infection, he is being kept overnight for observation and is being administered antibiotics and fluid.”

  36. Mrs S says:

    Fascinating testimony from a WHO whistleblower.


    Apparently Bill Gates gave himself the legal status of a country, muscled into the WHO, made all other countries sign vaccine contracts, and gave himself diplomatic immunity.

    • Strange! Something people should know.

    • hillcountry says:

      Bill’s just a front-man for larger interests. I tend to think personalization is a tactic used to throw people off. He’s a lightning-rod in a sense, pulling charge to ground.


      AGRA funded the establishment of a fertilizer and agribusiness lobby known as the African Fertilizer and Agribusiness Partnership (AFAP) to the tune of $25 million. It represents the interests of the fertilizer industry vis-à-vis African governments and donor organizations. In Ghana, Mozambique, and Tanzania, for example, AFAP wants to increase fertilizer use by 100 percent. AFAP’s partners include Louis Dreyfus Company, one of the world’s largest grain traders, and International Raw Materials (IRM), a major US fertilizer distributor. The links between AGRA and AFAP are also close: the president of AGRA is also a member of AFAP’s board of directors.

      High on AGRA’s political agenda has always been the suppression of local farmers’ seed — and the reconfiguration of national and regional regulations to suit commercial seed companies. Together with the African Regional Intellectual Property Organization (ARIPO), AGRA has coordinated and supported seed policy reforms in several countries such as Burkina Faso, Ghana, Nigeria, and Tanzania.

    • A person would need to look more closely at this to see if it was anything important. A single type of vaccine with a problem, or reporting grouped together in a particular time period for a major state, for example.

  37. Harry McGibbs says:

    “US President Joe Biden’s US$1.9 trillion coronavirus rescue plan has raised the alert level in China, with government officials and advisers openly expressing fear that the massive injection of money into the global market could inflate asset bubbles, cause further financial market turmoil and lead to higher inflation.”


  38. Sounds like the “great reset” is well on its way

    Omar reintroduces bill seeking to cancel rent, mortgage payments during pandemic

    Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) on Thursday introduced for the second time a bill that would guarantee full payment forgiveness on rent and home mortgage payments throughout the coronavirus pandemic.

    Under the bill, titled the Rent and Mortgage Cancellation Act, there would be no accumulation of debt for renters or homeowners, as well as no negative impact on a person’s credit rating or rental history.

    The legislation also calls on the Department of Housing and Urban Development to establish and oversee a “Landlord Relief Fund,” to cover any losses landlords would receive as a result of the payment cancellations.

    • If the debts of renters and homeowners are forgiven, how about the debts of other businesses as well. After all, there are a lot of businesses that have been buying up homes and renting them out. Also, there are lots of business leases that are not being paid. We can see this in all of the failing malls and empty downtown office buildings. Perhaps debt can be added to keep all of this unneeded real estate open as well.

      • Artleads says:

        The outer walls of all these structures aren’t likely to crumble anytime soon; they usually have steel frames. Exoskeletal structures inside them are not impossible to achieve, and can be modified to suit nearly every purpose.

  39. Fast Eddy says:

    And a spinoff to Bomb the Junta could be identifying children of the Junta in overseas private schools and universities… then drag them from the classes as they scream for mercy …. taunt and smack them in the head …. then chain them to car bumpers and drag them around till there’s nothing left of them….

    Or course you’d want to set up a live stream to Burma so their proud parents could suffer along with them…. if possible it would be great to get their reaction….

    Vote for Fast Eddy to be the post collapse messiah .. this is the sort of thing he will enable on a Daily Basis…

  40. Fast Eddy says:


    So I am thinking with these countries have no real ability to retaliate…. you just terrorize the Junta with cruise missiles into their homes… their military bases… just randomly rain death and destruction on them…

    And if they try to retaliate you rain a 1000 more missiles on their heads….

    How to pay for this?

    Well of course you create a Reality TV Show – Bomb the Junta… contestants vie to be the one to Push the Button… and we get real time video of the missiles striking the target… then afterwards we get the Big Reveal — who was on the receiving end…. (but after this commercial sponsorship from Bud Light)…

    This could be a daily program — in Prime Time… the missiles could be sponsored by companies — or wealthy individuals…. ‘this missile strike is brought to you by The Ford Foundation or Coca Cola… or GE ….

    Maybe Simon Cowell is looking for a new gig? Ryan Seacrest?

    To the naysayers I say – we bomb weddings regularly … we bomb terrorists… how difficult can this be? These are static targets… military bases… government offices…

    Think of the PR value of this — most people would applaud this … the US military would be worshipped…

    Kill Kill KILL KILL KILLL!!! Blast and Destroy … Bomb the Junta… Bomb the Junta… (could Run DMC do a video for this too?)

  41. MG says:

    The more and more countries across Europe piling up the debts in order to fight the population decline:



    The USA facing the baby bust, too:


    • A baby bust becomes huge problem for many reasons. There suddenly becomes no need for added housing. There becomes a need for fewer teachers. Ultimately, the demand for everything falls. The debt system that depends on growth cannot work any more.

      • Artleads says:

        Could such a debt system work for long?

      • Artleads says:

        There’s an incredible need for new housing, but of the smaller and more flexible variety. And zoning and permitting regulations make those nigh impossible to produce.

        • It is usually possible to subdivide older buildings, if they are in the area where housing is needed.

        • hillcountry says:

          here’s a housing model that is working well outside of Austin Texas. It takes a lot of up-front volunteer labor but it’s one of those gifts that keeps on giving for the people it rescues from homelessness. It might be a way to gracefully transition away from city life if it can be replicated elsewhere and include more of a food-production aspect.


      • Nehemiah says:

        “A baby bust becomes huge problem for many reasons. There suddenly becomes no need for added housing. There becomes a need for fewer teachers.”

        Affordable housing and lower taxes? Terrifying! I’m not sure these are the sorts of problems we really need to worry about. The main problem is how to fund all the benefits promised to retired voters from the pre-bust generations, and servicing the national debt with a lower GDP.

  42. racoon#9.5meg says:

    Big pharma UBER ALLES!

  43. Meet the Toronto nurse who REFUSED a COVID test and quarantine

    • Duncan Idaho says:

      “Representative Devin Nunes accused YouTube of being overly censorious toward his channel and began posting his videos on Rumble. Other prominent conservatives and libertarians such as Dinesh D’Souza, Sean Hannity, and Representative Jim Jordan soon followed.”

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        hint: it sounds like you are hinting that you are anti free speech.


        there is a leftistfascistDparty momentum in the USA to oppress free speech.

        perhaps you have not noticed.

      • racoon#9.5meg says:

        Unable to address content you fall back on condemnation by association. This is the educated lofty so called intelligent perspective, unable to actually discuss issues and content you condemn free mediums of conversation? You do realize all intelligent free people avoid you tube and facebook now? That they have lost all credibility as honest uncensored media sources. ok you tube is still cool for how to fix the sink videos.

        Do you really think people are going to buy into this? Only huff post is a valid information source? Dont look over there its orange man crowd? Dont decide for yourself that the information has no merit? Dont think? Dont feel? Dont live? Dont love?

        Is what you want a world where no one questions lunacy? Where all are exactly the same and all unorthodox ideas are eliminated? With you deciding whats ok and whats not?

        You do realize this is the exact same paradigm as a racist? You do realize that this paradigm represents fascism in its essence far more than the moldy icons you pretend to be fascist?

        You were alive once. You felt things. Now. Sad.

        • Huckleberry says:

          Poor Devin Nunes. I find him to be a bit disingenuous and too much of a boot licker for my taste but to each their own. I googled Devin to see just how much of a victim he was – being silenced and all. No shortage of content out there at all – even on evil youtube.

          Maybe and just maybe there needs to be some standards on truth. While in agreement censorship is not necessarily a good thing, having aholes that have been in the congress since they were 30 years old (wonder how much real life experience he brings to the table for his constituents – not much) run around saying any falsehood and setting up any strawman argument they want is not a good thing either.

          We are dealing with people here that will intentionally and knowingly lie for their own power and gain. Nunes along with the other “victims” may have a point and let them go where they do what they do best – gaslight and obfuscate on BS. However, as the minority lead on the “intelligence” committee in US Congress he sure can miss the truth and he doesn’t seem to concerned with the country at large – mainly his own party and personal power.

          Not a fan and the victimhood strikes me as disingenuous.

          • racoon#9.5meg says:

            I agree. First. There are true victims. We need to acknowledge them. Victims of violence. Victims of rape. these things need to be acknowledged. Regardless of their demographics.

            Besides that everyone is just playing a card. Creating victim status means you have created a crime. Very disrespectful to true victims.

            Races dont commit crimes. Individuals commit crimes.

            What we really need to do is working on getting along. False victim status works against that.

            We all have our trauma. At least I do. Omost 30 stitches on my face from four separate attacks none of which i courted or deserved. Then i decided to be tough and walked around half cocked for a decade or so.

            No way to live.

            There are a lot worse things than a stitch or two on your face. Thats just a love letter in a bad neighborhood.

            Do i claim victim status? Not really. There are things within me and I do acknowledge them. I will die with them. I did not choose them but they are there. What i can choose what i do have control of are my actions. I claim by birthright to live in the light to the extent I am capable. Thats the real work. To get over yourself and implement solutions best you can.

            If your calling names your part of the problem.

            I think men have it easier. Id rather take a beating then get raped. Not that male on male rape is uncommon. It is a non occurance because the victims dont report it.

            In my experience about 1 out of 3 women have been raped.

            Ending free speech is a crime. Its not a crime like what I have described but it is a crime

            Who is the victim?

            Every single person in the community.

            If you think it works for your demographic…

            Just wait a minute or two.

          • Nehemiah says:

            “Poor Devin Nunes. I find him to be a bit disingenuous and too much of a boot licker”

            Sounds like he may go far in his chosen profession!

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