To Be Sustainable, Green Energy Must Generate Adequate Taxable Revenue

What allows any type of energy to be sustainable? I would argue that one of the requirements for sustainability is adequate production of taxable revenue. Company managements depend upon taxable revenue for many purposes, including funding new investments and paying dividends to shareholders. Governments depend upon taxable income to collect enough taxes to provide infrastructure and programs for their growing populations.

Taxable income is a major way that “net energy” is transferred to future investment and to the rest of the economy. If this form of net energy is too low, governments will collapse from lack of funding. Energy production will fall from lack of reinvestment. This profitability needs to come from the characteristics of the energy products, allowing more goods and services to be produced efficiently. This profitability cannot be created simply by the creation of more government debt; the rise in the price of energy is tied to the affordability of goods, particularly the goods required by low-income people, such as food. This affordability issue tends to put a cap on prices that can be charged for energy products.

It seems to me that Green Energy sources are held to far too low a standard. Their financial results are published after subsidies are reflected, making them look profitable when, in reality, they are not. This is one of the things that makes many people from the financial community believe that Green Energy is the solution for the future.

In this post, I will discuss these ideas further. A related issue is, “Which type of oil production fell most in the 2018-2021 period?” Many people had expected that perhaps high-cost energy production would fall. Strangely enough, the production that fell most was that of OPEC oil exporters. These oil exporters often have a very low cost of energy production. The production of US oil from shale also fell.

If the ratio of Energy Return on Energy Investment (EROEI) is to be used as a measure of which type of energy best meets our needs, perhaps the list of items to be included in EROEI calculations needs to be broadened. Alternatively, more attention needs to be paid to unsubsidized taxable income as an indicator of net energy production.

[1] According to EIA data, world crude oil production hit a peak of 84.5 million barrels per day (bpd) in the fourth quarter of 2018. Production fell as low as 72.3 million bpd in the third quarter of 2020. Production rebounded to 75.4 million barrels of oil a day, still 9.1 million bpd below peak production in the 4th quarter of 2018.

Figure 1. Quarterly crude and condensate production, based on international data of the US Energy Information Administration.

This drop in oil production was unprecedented. It far exceeded the drop in oil production at the time of the Great Recession of 2008-2009. As of the first quarter of 2021, crude oil production was roughly at its level in 2011. It still has not rebounded very far.

[2] The biggest drop in crude oil production during this period was that of the cartel led by OPEC and Russia. United States’ oil production also fell during this period. Production of the Rest of the World, in total, was fairly flat.

Figure 2. Crude oil production through the first quarter of 2021 based on international data of the US Energy Information Administration.

The big concern of OPEC and Russia was that crude oil prices were too low to provide adequate tax revenue for the governments of these countries. This is especially an issue for countries with few other industries besides oil. These oil exporting countries tend to have large populations, with little employment besides government-sponsored projects. Nearly all food needs to be imported, so subsidies for food need to be provided if the many people earning low wages are to be able to afford this food.

If oil prices are high, say $150 per barrel or higher in today’s dollars, it is generally fairly easy for governments to collect enough oil-related taxes. The actual cost of extraction is often very low for oil exporters, perhaps as little as $20 per barrel. The need for tax revenue greatly exceeds the direct expenses of extracting the oil. Companies can be asked to pay as much as 90% of operating income (in this example, equal to $130 = $150 – $20 per barrel, probably only relating to exported oil) as taxes. The percentage varies greatly by country, with countries that have higher costs of production generally paying less in taxes.

Figure 3. Chart from 2013 showing “government take” as a percentage of operating income by Barry Rodgers Oil and Gas Consulting (website no longer available).

When oil companies are asked about their required price to break even, a wide range of answers is possible. Do they just quote the expense of pulling the oil from the ground? If so, a very low answer is possible. If shareholders are involved in the discussions, this is the answer that they would like to hear. Or do they give realistic estimates, including the taxes that their governments need? Furthermore, if the cost of extraction is rising, there needs to be enough profit that can be set aside to allow for the drilling of new wells in higher-cost areas, if production is to be maintained.

Because of the need for tax revenue, OPEC countries often publish Fiscal Breakeven Oil Prices, indicating how high the prices need to be to obtain adequate tax revenue for the exporting countries. For example, Figure 4 shows a set of Fiscal Breakeven Oil Prices for 2013 – 2014.

Figure 4. Estimate of OPEC breakeven oil prices, including tax requirements by parent countries, by APICORP.

If a country tries to maintain the same standard of living for its population as in the past, I would expect that the fiscal breakeven price would rise year after year. This would occur partly because the population of OPEC countries keeps rising and thus more subsidy is needed. The fiscal breakeven price would also tend to rise because the easiest-to-extract oil tends to be depleted first. As a result, new oil-related investments can be expected to have higher costs than the depleted investments they are replacing.

In fact, if a person looks at more recently published fiscal breakeven prices, they tend to be lower than the 2013-2014 breakevens. I believe that this happens because oil exporters don’t want to look desperate. They know that attaining such high prices is unlikely today. They hope that by using more debt and reducing the standard of living of their citizens, they can somehow get along with a lower fiscal breakeven price. This is not a long term solution, however. Unhappy citizens are likely to overturn their governments. Such a result could completely cut off oil supply from these countries.

[3] A cutback in oil production is not surprising for the OPEC + Russia group, nor for the United States, given the chronically low oil prices. The profitability was too low for all of these producers.

Figure 5. Inflation-adjusted historical average annual Brent oil price for 1965 through 2020 from BP’s Statistical Review of World Energy 2021. 12-Jul-2021 amount is the actual Brent spot oil price for that date.

Oil prices fell in late 2014. Fiscal breakeven prices calculated before that date likely gave a somewhat reasonable estimate of the needed prices for oil exporters to make an adequate profit, at that time. By early 2019, when the first decreases in oil production began, these countries were beginning to become fed up with chronically low oil prices.

It is interesting to note that Qatar, the country with the lowest breakeven price on Figure 4, decided to withdraw from OPEC effective January 1, 2019, rather than reduce its oil production. For Qatar, oil prices in late 2018 and early 2019 were close to adequate. Qatar mostly produces natural gas, rather than oil.

The decrease in US shale oil production reflects somewhat the same low profitability issue as OPEC + Russia exports, with an additional factor added. Besides low prices, there seems to be a well-spacing issue. There are reports that the spacing of shale wells gradually got closer and closer, until the closer spacing became counter-productive. The more closely spaced wells “cannibalized” the output from nearby wells. The extra drilling may also have released needed pressurization, reducing oil availability.

Such a problem would have been a difficult issue to pick up from EROEI analyses because there are not enough of these EROEI studies to see sudden changes. Figure 6 shows the timing of the drop in US oil production, relative to the drop in oil prices:

Figure 6. Monthly average crude oil and condensate production and prices for the United States excluding the Gulf of Mexico, based on US Energy Information Administration data. Oil prices are West Texas Intermediate spot prices, not adjusted for inflation. Amounts shown are through April 2021.

Figure 6 omits oil from the Gulf of Mexico, because its quantity tends to bounce around, especially when a hurricane hits. Because of this exclusion, the oil shown in Figure 6 reflects a combination of declining oil production from conventional oil wells plus (after about 2011) rising production from shale wells.

Figure 6 shows that production of oil from shale was developed during the 2011 to 2013 period, when oil prices were high. When oil prices suddenly fell in late 2014, shale producers suddenly found production very unprofitable. They cut back on production starting in April 2015. Shale production started rising again in 2017 after prices moved away from their extreme lows. Growth in oil production began to slow in late 2018, when oil prices again began to fall.

The big shutdown in world oil demand associated with the COVID-19 epidemic began in the second quarter of 2020. Shale production fell in response to low oil prices in March through November of 2020. As of April 2021, production does not seem to have rebounded significantly. We have seen reports that workers were laid off, making it difficult to add new production. If, indeed, well-spacing had become too close, this may have played a role in the decision not to ramp up production again. It is quite possible that many drilled but uncompleted wells will permanently remain uncompleted because they are too close to other wells to be useful.

Based on this analysis, it seems likely that US oil production for 2021 will be lower than that for 202o. Ultimately, the lack of adequate profitability can be expected to bring US oil production down.

[4] There are some high-cost oil producers who continue to produce increasing amounts of oil.

Figure 7. Crude oil and condensate production for Canada and Brazil, based on international data of the US Energy Information Administration.

The keys to maintaining high-cost oil production seem to be

  • Large up front investments to make this production possible with little new investment
  • Governments that are not very “needy” in terms of revenue from oil taxes

Even with these considerations, having an unprofitable or barely profitable oil industry weakens a country. Neither Brazil nor Canada is doing very well economically in 2021. These countries will likely reduce new oil investment in the next year or two, if inflation-adjusted oil prices do not rise significantly.

[5] Somehow, “Green Energy” has been allowed to compete in the energy field with huge subsidies. If Green Energy is actually to be successful long-term, it needs to be profitable in the same way that fossil fuel energy needs to be profitable. If wind and solar are truly useful, they need to be very profitable, even without subsidies, so that they can support their governments with taxes.

There tends to be little recognition of the extent of subsidies for renewable energy. For example, allowing the electricity from wind turbines and solar panels to be put on the grid whenever it is generated is a huge subsidy. Such generation mostly substitutes for the coal or natural gas used by electricity-producing plants, rather than the electricity generated by these plants. The many reports we see that compare the cost of intermittent electricity generated by wind turbines and solar panels with the cost of dispatchable electricity generated by fossil fuels are simply misleading.

Furthermore, electricity generated by wind turbines and solar panels doesn’t need to be sufficiently profitable to pay for the much larger grid they require. The larger grid requirement occurs partly because the devices tend to be more distant from users, and partly because the transmission lines need to be sized for the maximum transmission required, which tends to be high for the variable production of renewables.

The lack of adequate profitability of wind and solar on an unsubsidized basis strongly suggests that they are not really producing net energy, regardless of what EROEI calculations seem to indicate.

It might be noted that in past years, oil exporters have been accused of giving large energy subsidies to their oil producing companies. What these oil exporters have been doing is charging their own citizens lower prices for oil products than the high (international) price charged to foreign buyers. Thus, high taxes were collected only on oil exports, not from local citizens. With the fall in oil prices in late 2014 (shown in Figures 5 and 6 below), this practice of differential pricing has largely disappeared.

“Oil subsidies” in the US consist of financial assistance to low income people in the US Northeast who continue to heat their homes with oil. These subsidies, too, have mostly disappeared, with lower oil prices and the availability of less expensive forms of home heating.

[6] It seems to me that an economy really has three different requirements:

  1. The total quantity of energy must be rising, at least as rapidly as population.
  2. The types of energy available must match the needs of current energy-consuming devices, or there needs to be some type of transition plan to facilitate this transition.
  3. There must be enough “net energy” left over, both (a) to fund governments with taxes and (b) to fund any transition to different energy-consuming devices, if such a transition is required.

Thus, in order for a transition to Green Energy to really work, it must be extremely profitable on a pretax, unsubsidized basis, so that it can pay high taxes. The greater the need for a transition to different energy consuming devices, such as heat pumps for buildings and electric vehicles of many types, the greater the need for more net energy generated by Green Energy sources to help facilitate this transition.

High profitability for energy products is normally associated with a very low cost of energy production. Furthermore, the type of Green Energy available needs to be in a very useful form. In a sense, there are really two different energy transitions required:

  • The output of intermittent electricity devices must be brought up to grid standards, using a combination such as many long distance transmission, very substantial battery backup, and the use of many devices to provide the electricity with the precise characteristics it needs.
  • As mentioned above, if greater use of electricity is to be made, a transition to electric devices is required.

Both of these transitions will require a significant quantity of energy (really net energy not used elsewhere in the system) to accomplish. If fossil fuel energy is being phased out, an increasing share of this net energy will need to come from the Green Energy sector by way of the tax system. Such a system will only work if the Green Energy sector is very profitable on a pre-tax basis.

[7] Figure 8 suggests that the world has a problem with low energy consumption per capita right now.

Figure 8. Energy consumption per capita for all energy sources combined based on data from BP’s Statistical Review of Energy 2021.

There is a strong correlation between growth in total energy consumption per capita and how well the economy is doing. The slight downward slide in energy consumption per capita in 2019 indicates that the economy was already doing poorly in 2019. The huge downward shift in 2020 dwarfs the downward slide in 2009, when the world was in the midst of the Great Recession. My earlier research, looking back 200 years, indicates that low growth in energy consumption per capita is likely to lead to conflict among nations and collapses of governments. Epidemics are also more likely to spread in such periods, because greater wage and wealth disparity tends to occur when energy supplies are constrained.

Any shift away from fossil fuel energy to Green Energy will almost certainly mean a huge drop in world energy consumption per capita because the world doesn’t produce very much Green Energy. Such a drop in energy consumption per capita will be a huge problem, in itself. If the Green Energy sector doesn’t generate much taxable income without subsidies, this adds an additional difficulty.

[8] Conclusion: Examination of the EROEIs for various fuels, using calculations the way that they are performed today, gives inadequate information regarding whether a transition to another set of fuels is feasible.

Researchers need to be looking more at (a) the total quantity of energy produced and (b) the profitability of producing this energy. An economy is only possible because of profitable businesses, including energy businesses. A person cannot assume that energy prices will rise from today’s level because of scarcity. Today’s huge debt bubble is producing very high copper and steel prices, but it is not producing correspondingly high oil prices.

Heavily subsidized energy products look like they might be helpful, but there is little reason to believe this to be the case. If Green Energy products are truly producing net energy, we should expect this fact to be reflected in the unsubsidized profits that these products generate. In fact, if Green Energy products are truly producing large amounts of net energy, they should be so profitable that businesses will be rapidly ramping up their production, even without subsidies or mandates.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,605 Responses to To Be Sustainable, Green Energy Must Generate Adequate Taxable Revenue

  1. Fast Eddy says:

    If this all sounds terribly scary, keep a few things in mind. Many pathogens, including measles, do not seem to be evolving as a population in response to their vaccines. Second, experimental data from a lab, such as the malaria study described above, don’t necessarily predict what will happen in the much more complex landscape of the real world.

    They forgot to touch on how scary it might be to deploy one of these leaky vaccines during a pandemic… because of course in the words of Luc Montagnier to do so is ‘unthinkable’

    Hmmm… I wonder if that might create some sort of ‘Devil Covid’ resulting in a ‘Nightmare Scenario’

    And he fears if its spread isn’t stopped, it could one day meet the highly infectious UK variant and swap genes, creating a “nightmare scenario”.

  2. Fast Eddy says:

    In addition to Marek’s disease, Read has been studying malaria, which is the target of several leaky vaccines currently in development. In a 2012 paper published in PLOS Biology, Read and Vicki Barclay, his postdoc at the time, inoculated mice with a component of several leaky malaria vaccines currently being tested in clinical trials. They then used these infected-but-not-sick mice to infect other vaccinated mice.

    After the parasites circulated through 21 rounds of vaccinated mice, Barclay and Read studied them and compared them to malaria parasites that had circulated through 21 rounds of unvaccinated mice.

    The strains from the vaccinated mice, they found, had grown far more virulent, in that they replicated faster and killed more red blood cells. At the end of 21 rounds of infection, these more quickly growing, deadly parasites were the only ones left.

    Hmmm… I wonder what effect Booster Shots would be on the covid virus…. might this be akin to feeding the virus Anabolic Steroids???×1000/44/63/super-strong-evil-virus-cartoon-vector-30134463.jpg

  3. Fast Eddy says:

    OH… MY … GOD!!!!

    Israeli health chief explains decision to begin COVID-19 booster shots

    Did she say that hospitalizations and severe illness is increasingly in the 60+ INJECTED CovIDIOTS …

    Inference is that the Refusers are the problem … of course they are hahahaha…. which makes no sense… unless you are a f789ing re t ar ded MORE on.

  4. Mirror on the wall says:

    Ramses III. Hmmm. He ‘saved’ his state, while those around fell, through his ruthless, strategic thought and his complete control over his forces. Of course he did not have to. The ability to do so put him in a position where he could choose to either save his state or not. He was in a position of complete power to see his state survive or to let it be wiped out completely and reduced to a layer of ash like the other states.

    He was thus in the position of God, which is how the Egyptian pharaohs (and the later Roman emperors) saw themselves. It was a slave society that was entirely exploited to the vanity of the pharaohs, as the pyramids testify. Untold thousands were ruthlessly employed in the harsh desert to drag for untold miles and to build up huge and heavy blocks to testify the dominion of the pharaoh.

    Ramses could have chosen to leave Egypt as a layer of ash, still seen from space, as testament to his choice to let it perish at his will, and thus to his absolute dominion over the land and over the lives of all.

    And perhaps that decision does explain the fall of the some of the states; we do not really know how they thought about things and what decisions were made in the other states or why. That layer of ash may well be indicative of the choice of the other tyrants to see their peoples utterly destroyed as a residue of their absolute power over all life and death in their dominion, as a token to their divinity; we really do not know.

    Perhaps Ramses saw the layer of ash as too ambiguous. Pharaohs were accustomed to clear testaments of their divinity in the pyramids and a layer of ash, as appealing as it might have been as the sign of the absolute subjugation of his subjects and of their worthlessness before him, may not have appeared as an ultimate and adequate token to Ramses. Perhaps Egypt was saved by the pyramids and by the satisfaction of Ramses with their symbolism of his divinity while the other states fell as gruesome tokens of the divine tyrants. We really do not know. /s

    • Kowalainen says:

      “As the pyramids testify”.

      How about the fact of the impossibility of a pyramid being built with copper and stone tools of the (pharaoh) era?

      If some “normal” scmuck want to object to the truth above, show me your engineering credentials. Otherwise you’re just out of your depth and an useful clueless narrative peddler without your own voilition.

      Besides, wouldn’t you want to decorate the interior with some hieroglyphs to salute your grandeur and passing to the heavenly realm? Apparently not for some reason, it’s just pristine granite and limestone shaped and surfaced to near perfection. It is as if the purpose of the pyramids is different than what the narrative peddlers like us to beleive.

      As for the pharaohs: Idiots gonna idiot, thats the wu wei of rapacious primates. Slightly genetically modified, that is. Now, if the primate psychology entails too much pity and compassion, clearly some warring is required to employ survival of the fittest. Thats where the idiots (narrative peddlers and various royalty) and organized/institutional sociopathy/psychopathy enters the picture.

      Just end the experiment, like, now.
      In a spectacular fashion. Kthx!


      *Boom* mofos, Game Over.

      Try again [Y/N]



      • Mirror on the wall says:

        I told you not to stalk me. If you have anything of your own to say then say it in the open space but do not follow me around replying to everything that I say. I will not be reading anything that you post and I ask you not to address me again. Take a hint.

        • Kowalainen says:

          Well, you got plenty of interesting stuff going on that I might agree with, or perhaps more likely to disagree with.

          Take a hint. 🤔

  5. davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

    where’s the early evidence of widespread prion disease?

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      it’s hard to get excited about an imminent mass dieoff without at least a little bit of evidence.

    • Minority of One says:

      I doubt there will be any. Prion diseases typically take years to develop in individuals (apparently). I suppose the point is, it is now known what causes prion diseases – proteins that have ‘folded’. Once you get one in your brain, that one seems to act like a catalyst and continually affects other proteins, until the symptoms become obvious. I get the impression the science is now well-understood. A bit like the sea at the shore receding unexpectedly. You don’t want to go down to the shoreline just because you cannot see the tsunami coming in. Although some people do.

  6. Fast Eddy says:


    Vaccines Are Pushing Pathogens to Evolve

    Just as antibiotics breed resistance in bacteria, vaccines can incite changes that enable diseases to escape their control. Researchers are working to head off the evolution of new threats.

    In a 2015 paper in PLOS Biology, Read and his colleagues vaccinated 100 chickens, leaving 100 others unvaccinated. They then infected all the birds with strains of Marek’s that varied in how virulent — as in how dangerous and infectious — they were.

    The team found that, over the course of their lives, the unvaccinated birds shed far more of the least virulent strains into the environment, whereas the vaccinated birds shed far more of the most virulent strains. The findings suggest that the Marek’s vaccine encourages more dangerous viruses to proliferate. This increased virulence might then give the viruses the means to overcome birds’ vaccine-primed immune responses and sicken vaccinated flocks.

    Most people have heard of antibiotic resistance. Vaccine resistance, not so much. That’s because drug resistance is a huge global problem that annually kills nearly 25,000 people in the United States and in Europe, and more than twice that many in India. Microbes resistant to vaccines, on the other hand, aren’t a major menace. Perhaps they never will be: Vaccine programs around the globe have been and continue to be immensely successful at preventing infections and saving lives.

    Recent research suggests, however, that some pathogen populations are adapting in ways that help them survive in a vaccinated world, and that these changes come about in a variety of ways. Just as the mammal population exploded after dinosaurs went extinct because a big niche opened up for them, some microbes have swept in to take the place of competitors eliminated by vaccines.

    Evolutionary biologists aren’t surprised that this is happening.

    A vaccine is a novel selection pressure placed on a pathogen, and if the vaccine does not eradicate its target completely, then the remaining pathogens with the greatest fitness — those able to survive, somehow, in an immunized world — will become more common.

    “If you don’t have these pathogens evolving in response to vaccines,” said Paul Ewald, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Louisville, “then we really don’t understand natural selection.”

  7. Fast Eddy says:

    Dedicated to normdunc

    Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis, the director of Israel’s Public Health Services, says officials saw evidence of “waning immunity” among those who were vaccinated earlier.

  8. Bei Dawei says:

    Any Chris Chan fans out there? He’s just been arrested after being outed for i n c e s t with his mother. He’s like a symbol of Western civilization.

    • Bei Dawei says:

      And somebody on Kiwi Farms referred to “The End of Christory and the Last Manchild,” by Francis Fukyomama.

      The internet has served its purpose. We can all go home now.

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        There once was a man from Fukushima
        Who kept all his cash in a truck from Lima

    • He’ll be put into the women’s prison…

  9. Fast Eddy says:

    OMG the Delta is out of control… maybe they ask Toronto how you end a lockdown when you have over 100 cases per day — and don’t end up with a million cases…????

    As Greater Sydney enters its sixth week of lockdown, questions are being raised about why daily Covid-19 case numbers are still increasing and when the lockdown measures will start to bring those figures down.

    Former deputy chief medical officer Dr Nick Coatsworth said the infectiousness of the Delta variant is the reason case numbers aren’t dropping like they have in previous lockdowns, telling Today the situation NSW is in is “manifestly different” to the major outbreak experienced in Victoria last year.

    “That was the Wuhan strain that had a reproductive number of one person would infect three others. This is Delta. One person infects eight others,” he said.

    “That is why it is difficult. That is why it appears lockdowns aren’t bending or flattening the curve.”

    • Merrifield says:

      Can you just give it a rest? There’s a lot we don’t know about the virus and how it acts. Scientists are trying to figure it out but it’s challenging. The constant banging on with conspiracy theories and the like is tiresome.

      • Kowalainen says:

        Somehow I doubt comments like yours will help, however.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Is that Merrifield? Shall we show him the fake moon orbit footage of the 911 being taken down by explosives..

          Which do you prefer Marrifield?

  10. Fast Eddy says:

    normdunc… what’s going on here?

    ISRAEL’S nine million people, and Gibraltar’s 34,000, are among the most Covid-19 vaccinated in the world, almost entirely using the Pfizer mRNA injection. But after a fall in cases, both communities are now once again seeing a rapid rise in infections.

  11. Fast Eddy says:

    The plans for a new ‘amber watch list’ sparked outrage in Whitehall as some ministers believe it could ruin the holiday hopes of millions of Britons.

    The idea, which was agreed in principle this week, would see holidaymakers warned that while they are abroad certain amber countries could go straight on to the red list.

    This would leave them facing compulsory hotel quarantine on their return, at a cost of £1,750 a head.

    Spain and Italy both featured in talks about countries that could be put into the new category – as soon as next week – amid fears about the Beta variant, which first emerged in South Africa.

    Helpful in conserving oil…

  12. JMS says:

    Our mas0nic masters making fun of their cattle.

  13. Hubbs says:

    Steve St Angelo on posted an interesting theory on the collapse of civilizations after the bronze age due to destruction of forests whose wood was needed to make the charcoal to melt the copper. A supply chain set of dominos analogous to our current oil, coal, NG, and “green energy.”
    It may still be behind a pay wall. I don’t know if it has been released to the public.

    • It seems to be open only to “Silver Members.” Another post is only open to “Gold Members.”

      The collapse does indeed sound like what a person would expect.

    • Van Kent says:

      The Late Bronze-Age collapse, 1250-1150BC. Within a period of forty to fifty years almost every significant city in the eastern Mediterranean world was destroyed. Many never to be occupied again.

      Before the collapse there were the Mycenean Greece, the Hittite empire, the Assyrian empire and Egypt trading with each other (among others). After the collapse trade routes were lost, literacy declined and cities were abandoned. Small isolated village cultures remained.

      Who Dunnit? Well, the Egyptians tell stories of the Sea Peoples. Who the Sea Peoples actually were and why they had the very fine idea of go sacking every major city in the known world.. well.. that remains a mystery.

      Maybe the main culprit was volcanoes, maybe it was famine, maybe it was the destruction of forests and too few charcoal for smelting copper, who knows?

      But.. it seems to me there is a very good source material to be studied about this era. Homers Iliad and the Odyssey seem to tell a metaphorical story about the Bronze Age collapse. If one thinks about the Bronze Age collapse and who dunnit and why? And one takes in to an account the way stories and mythologies were told in ancient times.. With heavy-heavy metaphors.. One can actually see the tragic tale of the Sea Peoples gathering to loot the cities the envied for their beauty and civilization. And how it was almost impossible to stop the tide as it had begun. And when they finally came home, (a select few continuing the raids.. for decades, a way of life to them.. -> after decades lost at sea) they came back to finding their own childhood homes ravaged and under threat of invasion from other smaller tribes. Later when people tried to tell these life stories about granddad or great-great- grandad, lost at sea for decades, stories about this era, it was so hard to explain how they had managed to pretty much break every toy in the giftshop, the stories then became heavily metaphorical. This way they managed somehow to tell these stories to their children as a cautionary tale. To me at least the gist of the Iliad is, that before the Bronze Age collapse the sea peoples had a “warrior-culture” that idolized battle and honor. To live forever in the glory of battle. But after they managed to destroy pretty much everything in the known world, the culture had to forfeit their previous idolized heroes and come up with new role models for their children. And within a century or two, these many and varied folk stories became the basis for Homers poems. And finally a few Homers, or one Homer, gathered up these folk stories in to one cohesive work, as we know them today.

      • postkey says:

        ” . . . So, can it be a coincidence that the most
        54:17 cataclysmic eruption of Hekla we know about was the one that took place
        54:21 sometime around the Year 1100 BC, right as the Bronze Age collapse reached its
        54:27 height? This eruption is known as Hekla 3. It threw nearly seven-and-a-half
        54:34 cubic kilometers of volcanic rock into the atmosphere and covered the sky in a
        54:39 dark shroud of dust that would have lasted for years after the event. In
        54:43 Ireland, studies done on bog oaks, those are trees half-fossilized in marshy
        54:49 waters, have shown that for 18 years after the eruption of Hekla 3, the trees
        54:53 barely grew at all. Across the Atlantic in the United States,
        54:58 Bristlecone Pines, the oldest living trees on earth, still show similar
        55:03 records of this time of darkness and cooling which seems to have lasted about
        55:07 two decades. The effect on our region would have been dramatic; crops
        55:13 would have failed, soils would have blown away, and more than that; the dark cloud that
        55:19 seemed to hang over the sun would have spoken to people of something dreadful
        55:23 on its way, a punishment from the gods and perhaps even the end of the world. . . . ”

      • naqisha says:

        You might find the book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind
        by Julian Jaynes offers insight to this question. I certainly found it interesting.

    • This hypothesis has been floating in archaeology / history for decades.. obviously with the basic focus on collapse trigger not necessarily the detailed OFW / Surplus type of narrative..

      • Kowalainen says:

        What triggers all collapse is the failure to understand fundamentals of nature. Depart from stone clad evolutionary process and watch it all crumble.

        It is not IF, but rather when and how bad it will be.

        I’d say we’re in for a rough ride down the seneca.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      This presentation on the Fall of Civilizations Podcast emphasises tin distribution and the disruption by wars – although they emphasise doubt around quite what happened and why and they also suggest climate change and rampaging refugees as factors.

      I took some notes:

      Entire civilisations in the east Med were wiped out around the same time during the ‘late Bronze Age collapse’. The destruction of the cities left a layer of ash in the east Med region that can be seen from space. Homer’s poems recount the fall of Troy through war during LBAC.

      Lush trade networks were central to the region and the cities were entirely dependent on them for their survival – particularly of bronze, which was critical to the manufacture of just about every household object – soldiers would have no weapons and craftsmen no tools. Tin was essential to Bronze Age production in the way that oil and petroleum is to the modern economy. Tin was rare and got from Afghanistan and brought by donkeys over the Silk Road to Mesopotamia and thence.

      The texts of the time recount the mysterious ‘Sea Peoples’ – no one knows who they were or where they came from – and they rampaged through the region, destroying everything. They were ‘singly’ responsible for the fall of at least some of the cities.

      The Sea Peoples appear in detailed Egyptian reliefs as a diverse people, a confederation of disparate ethnicities. No leaders or kings of theirs are ever mentioned in Egyptian texts. Egypt (Ramses III sourced fresh trade) and Assyria survived in a diminished form while others did not. The Seas attacked up the Nile but Ramses ambushed their ships with archers and lanced the escapees before entering the waters! That was the first ever defeat of the Seas and they took some as slaves. Nevertheless, the fall of other civilisations and the loss of supply lines severely diminished Egypt.

      Mycenae seems to have been taken out by the Dorians. Smaller, less complex states were rising due to the new use of iron to make better steel, which was more affordable than bronze. Some attribute the LBAC to their rise and attacks on the larger states. The Bronze Age thus ends with steel.

      Droughts and famines were contemporary due to rapid and dramatic climate change, likely due to the eruption of Hecla on Iceland, and the Sea Peoples may have been among their victims. The sun was dimmed in the east Med and divine wrath on kings was likely blamed. Rebellions may explain some destructions, and the Sea Peoples may have been diverse starving refugees on the rampage. Many fell at the Nile, some settled in Gaza as the Palestinians.

      The interdependence of the states was their greatest strength and weakness – climate change, refugees broke down supply lines, iron weapons spread, smaller states challenged, rebellions – nearly everything fell.

      (Energy (charcoal) and supply chains make some sense for such a widespread collapse – globalism has globalised energy and supply lines and refugees are foreseeable.)

      The Bronze Age Collapse – Mediterranean Apocalypse

      • Kowalainen says:

        The Yamnaya and precursors of Vikings likely. Load up the ships with warriors and loot the countries from which the “goodies” arrive from. Specially if times turn dire after some cl1mate change.

        Being a rayciss patriarch isn’t a viking thing. If it looks like it can swing an axe and swoard with fortitude, in the ship it goes.×426.jpg
        “The DNA analysis revealed Vikings were a diverse bunch, with ancestry from hunter-gatherers, farmers, and populations from the Eurasian steppe. The research also pinpoints three major genetically diverse hot spots where people mixed with people from other regions during the era: One in what is now Denmark, and one each on the islands of Gotland and Öland, in what is now Sweden. All three locations are thought to have been hotbeds of trade at the time.”

      • “Nevertheless, the fall of other civilisations and the loss of supply lines severely diminished Egypt.”

        That seems to very important concept – it rhymes with the sub scenario for today if some parts of the world manage de-growth / reset more gracefully – nevertheless the ricocheting effects of loosing trade partners or even adversaries (sharp focus on neck-2-neck competition) will be profound..

  14. MM says:

    Show me the money:
    Where is the delta variant and what should make any difference?
    Can you prove that a variant is not just a different allignnment result? A Software problem so to say. Anyway we had the world been scared with software problems befor. Sigh.

    The vaxxed and the governments need a strong group not wanting to be vaxxed because they can dump all theiir bullshit on the unvaxxed.
    Malone is a vaxxer, Bossche is a vaxxer. The german guy with the paper about the lab leak is a scientist in the field of nonparticles. Yeadon is a vaxxer.

    An unsolvalbe rift in our social order will certainly help sove a lot of problems.

    • Student says:

      The GISAID link is extremely interesting, thank you.
      How can we be sure that all Covid-19 positive persons have actually the Delta variant?
      Can it be, on the contrary, that the current vaccines are less effective with all those new variants in comparison with the original virus and the Delta variant is a good excuse?
      Can it be that, on the contrary, the issue is in reality that antibodies on vaccinated people are becoming less effective passing time and the Delta variant is not particularly more aggressive in comparison with others?

      • The delta variant is very much more infectious. It spreads “like chicken pox.” It is unclear exactly how it behaves on the vaxed and unvaxed (and those with prior antibodies from having the infection) of similar age groups. With the mix of people it is attacking, there not many people dying. There are quite a few in the hospital, including relatively more young people, I believe.

        I think that antibodies becoming less effective over time is a separate issue. It is especially pronounced in the elderly, it is believed. The big issue is that the vaccine is aimed at a particular type of virus, and COVID delta is different.

        • Student says:

          Thank you Gail for your considerations.
          In addition to all that I think there are also the interesting arguments brought by Robert Malone in his recent interview (you already said something about it).
          The whole subject is devoloping quickly and, at the same time, the impression is that everything is being currently covered with the ‘new challenges created by the Delta variant’, while, on the contrary. what is happening is more complex and it is also probably related to, let’s say to be generous, the not-success of the vaccines in solving our problems (and it is difficult to admit).

        • Gail, who says “it spreads like chicken pox”? The WH spokesperson couldn’t explain how tests for “Delta” even work.

          I think this is a product of mystification.

          If you understand David Martin’s description of how these “diseases” are studied and patented, they only use a sub-set or sub-sets of the sequence and the rest is inferred and interpolated/extrapolated, which means anyone can make it to be practically anything they want it to be, just as they can make the tests reveal anything they want them to reveal.

          It’s like saying “ads like chick”, or “odies becoming less eff”. These phrases could have meaning and be important, **or not**.

          It “spreads like chi”nese hoisin sauce.
          High-school gr”ads like chicken p”iccata.
          Par”odies becoming less eff”usive.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Let me make a prediction …

            In the near future a variant (it will be called Devil Covid) is going to spread like Marek’s … and it will be 100% lethal for anyone who comes in contact with it.

            • DB says:

              So far, the observations of the vaccines’ apparent effects outside of the trials seem to indicate the vaccines have no protective effects or may even increase risk of infection, severe disease, and death with/from Covid. Such vaccines, therefore, could not be called “leaky” (that is, partially effective), and by definition could not exert any meaningful selective pressure on the virus. If the vaccines do cause Covid-related harm, it would be consistent with vaccine enhanced disease. That is perhaps the biggest danger, given past coronavirus vaccine research.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Just like Team Bossche said… exactly… and the data is not beginning to support this (along with the need for the Boosters) hahaha… the centre is giving way

              Over past 12 weeks, critically ill have been 49, compared to 59 in second wave

              Around half admitted to ICUs are under age of 50, and nearly one third under 40

              Wards filling with those most likely to be unvaccinated, including young adults


            • DB says:

              And by Covid-related harm, I mean separate from the many types of adverse effects from the gene therapy vaccines.

          • Azure Kingfisher says:

            “…they only use a sub-set or sub-sets of the sequence and the rest is inferred and interpolated/extrapolated, which means anyone can make it to be practically anything they want it to be…”

            This is why I lean towards SARS-CoV-2 being a simulation.

            Remember, SARS-CoV-2’s introduction to the world came via China in a PDF published on a forum. You can read the forum posters attempt to fill in the genetic gaps here:



            January 2020

            “I get slightly different stats on the # mutations – HB-04 has some indels that need corrections. Keeping HB-01 as the reference (should maybe be WH-01 though, as that’s the oldest sequence):

            IVDC-HB-01/2019: [ref]
            IPBCAMS-WH-01/2019: 3 mutations (2 non-syn / 1 syn)
            WIV04/2019: 0 mutations
            Hu-1/2019: 1 mutation (1 non-syn)
            IVDC-HB-04/2020: 2 mutations (2 non-syn) (however, I don’t believe these, so I think this should also be 0 mutations)

            “I agree with Trevor that the mutations in HB-04 are suspect – right next to each other, non-synonymous, close to a poly-T stretch, and this sequence also needed some manual editing for indels. I think these are probably not correct and that sequence would then also be identical.

            “As for IVDC-HB-05, I agree with everybody that this sequence is definitely wrong (clustering of mutations, wacky ts/tv ratio, etc). If I do my very best to eliminate sequencing errors that I have commonly observed over the years, then I get a maximum of 7 mutations in this sequence, 4 of which are non-synonymous. These 7 can’t be excluded as likely errors (unlike the other 46 mutations in this sequence), but I think they still represent a (substantial) over-estimation.

            “Taking what I said above at face value and making WH-01 the reference (being the earliest sequence), we have three substitutions early in the tree (2 non-synonymous, 1 synonymous), followed by one additional substitution in Hu-1 (non-synonymous).“

            These people had an incomplete code sequence to analyze – not an actual virus sample or an infected patient – just incomplete data on their screens. How did they know that the data was based in reality and not a complete fabrication?
            Is it not possible for an experienced and skilled scientist, or team of scientists, to “forge” a viral sequence that is convincing enough to pass as real amongst the scientific community?

            • JMS says:

              “How did they know that the data was based in reality and not a complete fabrication?”

              How indeed? Instead of analyzing the phenomena, the reality itself, they analyze their models of the phenomena. The student of epistemology in me calls this pure bull/shit. To these modellers i say show me the real thing, prove beyond any doubt how virus A infects subject Z, or shut the f*ck up. Studying viruses based on models is so scientifically valid as studying Greek architecture based on maquettes of the Parthenon made by a blind person.

          • MM says:

            From what the virus people talk about we see a lot of confusing data what is not consistent with “reprudicible experiments”. We can not even know if a test for the delta valiant actually finds the omega variant as well.
            PCR-testing is just a trick to convince you of a deadly illness that you will develop after having been told the “death sentence” of the test result. It does not even mater if the doctor kills you with his “treatment” or your damaged self esteem causes harm.

            The best civilization ever and what it produces is only fear.

          • Brian, it’s my firm belief that 99.999% of non-“vaxxed” Americans have ALSO *not* had a deadly covid case.

            • Mike Roberts says:

              Well, the article says that there have been 1,263 deaths from breakthrough cases. According to Johns Hopkins, the US has had over 613,000 deaths from COVID-19. You’d have to believe that the “official” number is far too high to believe that only 3,300 people (.001% of the population) have died from COVID-19. So you might want to re-examine your belief on that.

            • I do believe the official number is far too high. You are being intentionally dense if you are sticking to those numbers that institutions all over are now walking back…

            • Mike Roberts says:

              I don’t believe the numbers either, Lidia. Any link for the notion that “institutions all over” are adjusting numbers down? In any case, numbers being wrong can go in either direction for different countries yet you have a belief that the real numbers are tiny all over the world. Do you have any basis for your belief or is it just a hope?

              Regardless, if you don’t believe numbers, then that applies to numbers for vaccinated people also. Consequently, I don’t see any reason to believe that the numbers, or rate, of covid related deaths are the same for both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

  15. Mrs S says:

    Debunkers have been busy trying to debunk the graphene oxide story. But this ex Phizer employee makes a very convincing case that it is in the injections in this horrifying short video.

    • Kowalainen says:

      Kill switches on rapacious primates… 😳👍👍
      I’m intrigued. I’d like to see this in action on lab mice.

      However, that seems a tad boring. I’d like to have them as IoT device that can be arbitrarily programmed to perform outrageous comedy and drama. Or just GTFO of my way.

      Just imagine one day all you meet is interesting people while the dullard herd stays away by automagic. Or slave away as the useful consumerists.

      However a big oh noes the the usual narrative peddlers. Nothing much for those halfwitted schmucks to “do” anymore? Time to enter the “intelligence” and “competence” reserves. Good riddance.

    • Alex says:

      The video is indeed horrifying in a sense. Synopsis:

      1. The vaccines contain lipid nanoparticles.
      2. Those lipid nanoparticles are produced by a Chinese company.
      3. The Chinese company also makes graphene polymer coatings.
      4. Therefore undeniably, the vaccines contain graphene.

      Details here:

  16. Yoshua says:

    Antibody Dependent Enhancement

    The antibody attaches to a virus and then attaches to an immune cell. Instead of neutralising the virus, the virus uses the antibody as an entry point into the immune cell and starts replicating it self inside the immune cell. The virus has developed immune escape.

    The patient now becomes more severally ill. This was observed in animals during Covid vaccine trials, but not in humans. Today the vaccinated has equal amount of viral load as unvaccinated. A beginning of ADE? Next the vaccinated start to become more severally ill and die in large numbers?

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      if I remember right, Pfizer said their vaccine effectiveness is down to 84%, and that was through March or April, and also is probably propaganda favoring themselves where the data was very possibly lower, and certainly is lower by now.

      is this what will lead to ADE?

      I’m still skeptical that the Delta variant is much more potent than Alpha.

      I think the real issue is decreasing vaccine effectiveness.

      we should know more every month, if we get honest reporting on the decreasing effectiveness.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        It’s not less effective against the original covid… it’s just that that original covid was not killed off by the Injection … and the stronger pcs of virus have gathered together and said ‘F789 this Injection … then they kicked off a crazed orgy breeding and increasing their strength to the point where the Injection

        Remember this? Ack … Ack Ack… (said the virus)

  17. Duncan Idaho says:

    Less than 0.001% of fully vaccinated Americans died after a Covid-19 breakthrough case, CDC data shows

    Hey, I’m not against idiots dying from covid– let them remain unvaccinated.
    Getting those bad genes out of the pool.
    Better for homo sapiens.

    • Dennis L. says:

      Could you clarify how bad genes are related to remaining unvaccinated? E.g. give a bad gene that should be eliminated.

      Dennis L.

      • Duncan Idaho says:

        I’m making the assumption that to be that stupid, you must have some genetic pitfall.
        And the assumption that it would be better for the species to have you out of the gene pool.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          All humans are stooooopid… what other species uses it’s ‘intelligence’ to invent ways to feed 8B using resources that are finite… leading to their extinction?

          Of course there are some that are within the species degrees of S ___y.

          Fast Eddy is the pinnacle – the least s_____d.

          normalnormdunc and anyone who Injects an experiment into there body (haha) and believes we can journey through the Van Allen Belt… would be somewhere in the middle..

          Then we’d have Justin Bieber and people like that at the bottom

    • nikoB says:

      Total BS stats being used. Just read the article.

      The CDC reported 6,587 Covid-19 breakthrough cases as of July 26, including 6,239 hospitalizations and 1,263 deaths. At that time, more than 163 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19.
      Divide those severe breakthrough cases by the total fully vaccinated population for the result: less than 0.004% of fully vaccinated people had a breakthrough case that led to hospitalization and less than 0.001% of fully vaccinated people died from a breakthrough Covid-19 case.

      for that to be the case would mean that every single vaxxed person got covid at that time so that only 0.001% died.

      The truth is that there is no known number for what the total of vaxxed people being infected in america at that time.

      What they do know is that of the 6,587 breakthrough cases they are aware of

      94.72% of those were hospitalised

      19.17% of them died.

      Somewhat different outcome to the CNN BS being peddled here.

      Careful Dunc it may turn out that you are one of the intellectually challenged.

    • Great. And .000026% of non-“vaccinated” Americans died of Covid-19 alone in the first place: 9000 or so (without co-moribidities, according to CDC)/350million.

      • Fast Eddy says:


        And if the number is microscopic if you look at people under 70….. which begs the question (which has been asked many times)…..

        Why vaccinate everyone? Why not only vaxx the at-risk people?

        Surely this should be a massive red flag for a CovIDIOT… but it’s not

        But of course norm agrees with that — he’s not asking for FE’s Injection allocation for the grand kids.

      • *This number back from when the CDC admitted only 6% of their figures died from “covid alone”.. last August, I think.

        Anyway, take their numbers and lop off an order of magnitude, then subtract for all the tens of thousands of “flu” cases that have entirely disappeared.

  18. Van Kent says:

    Interesting study..

    There are several old and familiar concepts for OFW commenters, the main concepts borrowed from Hagens, Rockstrom, Tainter and Bardi. Also the references list is a good source of essential reading for OFW commenters. So all in all, a nice start, well done!

    A few pointers though.

    A complexity level of our current BAU requires 200 or so energy slaves per capita. Those will be going away. No two ways about that. So therefore much of our industrial style mass-agriculture will also be going away. Therefore we are looking at a gardening level of complexity with about 1-2 energy slaves (some wind pumps and sun heated water, or algae/ alcohol biofuel at a very very small scale), at the most. So.. the very premise of this study is a bit wrong. The max. level of complexity in such nodes will nonetheless plummet to extremely low levels, no matter how well situated the node might be. Even if the country had geothermal energy or hydro energy, it still doesn´t have oil, NG, coal, rare earth minerals, spare parts, chips and computer manufacturing. Therefore large scale manufacture, large scale agriculture and therefore BAU levels of complexity, isn´t really an option.

    Secondly, it frustrates me a bit, that the general tone of the study is still a bit iffy. There *could* be a collapse of complexity.. there *might* be a serious simplification of civilization.. well there is nothing iffy about it..
    -> if we think about the impact BAU has had on the planet (deforestation, soil loss, biodiversity plummeting, dead seas, overfishing etc etc.) without a collapse, we would need to see a doubling of our impact.. before 2050. Only by doubling our impact on everything.. could a collapse be avoided
    A collapse can.. not.. be.. avoided..

    Also this techno optimism still bothers be a bit. The ongoing mythology that human ingenuity persist. It seems impossible to explain to people, that believing in technology and human ingenuity to come save us all, is like believing that a room full of engineers, with three paperclips and a rubber band, can build a fusion reactor right then and there -> we simply don´t have the mineral or energy resources to do a techno fix. And besides lacking physical resources.. we need the technofix.. right.. about.. now.. so what we are asking a roomful of engineers to do, is to build a fully functioning fusion reactor with three paperclips and a rubber band.. and you have to do it in five minutes.. one.. two.. three.. GO! GO! GO!

    Thirdly, it would be nice to read something actually meaningful and beneficial, for a change. The only sane response in a collapse situation, is to build a larger community. One man alone. Well.. he is a goner. A billion dollar yacht or a mega bunker – diddo! Gone. Two or thirty mates, it doesn´t make any difference, because the guy with five hundred mates pretty much bulldozes over all of the above. So the only sane response to a collapse situation, is to build a community. But this of course is somewhat difficult in advance, when people mostly cling to their normalcy bias and outright refuse reality (as long it is possible in any way). You would have to be able to build community aka social structures in a collapse situation on the fly, as everything is collapsing around you. So, it would be nice to read something useful for a change. Perhaps what it was like building functioning social structures in the New Orleans floods, or how there are new sort of social structures cropping up in the Venezuelan collapse. Something actually useful for a change. Well.. whole lot of collapsing yet to do, before our oil shortages in 2022, so one can still keep ones hopes up for some actually beneficial reading before that. Cheers!

    • Replenish says:

      Common Ground and Emergency Communities were the groups we worked with after Hurricane Katrina. Common Ground got permission to open up grassroots centers from several dislocated homeowners in the 9th ward whose dwellings were salvageable. They got access to a condo high rise in Algiers and also used elementary schools to house demolition crews consisting of volunteers to help people get back into their houses. They also exposed an FBI informant on their Board of Directors so you can assume they are part of the solution. I was working on stipend with another recovery group. When I returned home the spook prescence followed me home as I tried to stay involve in service.

      • Van Kent says:

        What interests me are the technical details.

        How was it all organized? Who made decisions? How was resources gathered and managed (where did the volunteers come from/ where did vacant schools or high rises come from) How was morale or daily nutrition upheld for the volunteers, who organized these and how? Where did valuable information come from, and how was information managed?

        And if you had to do it again, what would you do better, and how would you do things better this time around?

        If you have more technical details how everything was run it would be much appreciated

        • I think these are things that can’t really be “run”. I moved to VT shortly after Hurricane Irene severely damaged a lot of roads and other public infrastructure, in addition to homes.

          The locals simply rolled up their sleeves, assessed what they could do, and did it. It was truly self-organizing. I think this was possible because the state is pretty homogenous and not “diverse”. “Diversity” needs a strong central state to do top-down things. As with Hurricanes Sandy and Katrina, FEMA was behind the curve. Lots of “cloud people” seemed to swarm in after all was said and done, coming up with ever-more-elaborate “plans” and “emergency” committees and this-and-that to justify their existence.. but nothing really beats a good-old-boy with a tin of Skoal and a personal excavator. Personal preparation is best.

          Anyone who has ever worked anywhere knows that “management” has extremely limited value.

          • That said, they certainly did get federal money to rebuild highways and such after the fact.. but the initial disaster response seemed to have been mostly boot-strapped.

        • Here’s a good recent citation by Tagio at the Surplus Energy site:

          “The bureaucratic management of human survival is unacceptable on both ethical and political grounds. It would also be as futile as former attempts at mass therapy. This does not, of
          course, mean that a majority might not at first submit to it. People could be so frightened by the increasing evidence of growing population and dwindling resources that they would voluntarily put their destiny into the hands of Big Brothers…

          Man would live in a plastic bubble that would protect his survival and make it increasingly worthless. Since man’s tolerance would become the most serious limitation to growth, the
          alchemist’s endeavor would be renewed in the attempt to produce a monstrous type of man fit to live among reason’s dreams. A major function of engineering would become the psychogenetic tooling of man himself as a condition for further growth. People would be confined from birth to death in a world-wide schoolhouse, treated in a world-wide hospital, surrounded by television screens, and the man-made environment would be distinguishable in name only from a world-wide prison…”

          Tools For Conviviality, Chapter V, Political Inversion –Ivan Illich 1973

          lidia: Illich saw Klaus Schwab coming, all right!

          • Artleads says:

            The long and short of it is that, barring extreme surpluses of energy, this global society, this “man” of Illich, is a total impossibility. Without that energy, the first thing that has to be and that will be done is decentralizing into small communities that either make their own rules, or have rules made for them by local “dictators.”

    • infoshark says:

      The supreme task is to contract the human endeavour into regenerative dynamic equilibrium with the finite ecosphere, while simultaneously conserving social, economic, and technological complexity.

      For complexity to be conserved the scale of the human endeavour must be reduced to the minimum scale necessary to produce it.

      • infoshark says:

        Theoretically, one possible solution is the selective deployment of a reverse, multistage, time-delayed prion-based biological weapon with blood brain barrier penetrability delivered under the plausible deniability of a vaccine for a manufactured virus. Plausible deniability is cemented by the difficulty of attribution caused by time delay and range of the prion disease and the existence of studies showing prion disease caused by virus itself.

      • Kowalainen says:

        Loads of technical jargon for consumerist schmucks being told what to do and no longer being needed for the “project” to continue.

        I always considered comets slapping down on the biosphere as awesome. *Boom* – mofos, try again. GLHF.


        Old fashioned? Perhaps. But then again, the fireworks display and devastation would be seriously apocalyptic and it’s aftermath depressing.

      • “regenerative dynamic equilibrium”
        I don’t think there can be such a thing.
        Time’s arrow.. entropy’s arrow.. only goes in one direction.

    • I am wondering if a large dose of wishful thinking goes into the published analysis.

      • Kowalainen says:

        Hopium is a powerful drug when injected as pseudointellectual jargon.

        Worry not Gail, they do not know what they are thinking or doing.

  19. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    BAU has bounce back, virus or no virus, just wear your mask. Get tested and take the jab!

    BROWARD COUNTY, FL ( (Copyright © 2021 MetroDesk Media, LLC) — In what has become almost a weekly event during this summer of COVID travel, Fort Lauderdale Hollywood International Airport parking is at — or near — overflow status. That means the airport has opened its off-site lot which is nearly a mile away.
    Fort Lauderdale, which has a significant amount of garage parking, has seen unprecedented travel levels this summer, with near chaos-conditions on the weekends. Travelers are urged to arrive at the airport extra-early to accommodate for lengthy check-in, baggage check, and security lines at all terminals.

    The airport is also remaining travelers of the federal mask mandate. You are required to wear a mask the moment you walk into the facility. Deputies and TSA agents are reminding guests — nicely yet firmly — of the mandate. Airlines continue to follow a “zero” tolerance policy on board for those who refuse to comply. The FAA has levied fines into the tens of thousands of dollars.

    Just like nothing ever happened…

    • Minority Of One says:

      This looks like an anomaly.

    • My on-the-ground report from Atlanta is similar.

      There are a few people wearing masks in stores and the gym, but not many (or perhaps not any) more than before. Many people don’t understand the problem. Democrats are convinced that it is the awful people without vaccinations who are the problem.

      A note went out to parishioners to wear masks to church today. People did so, but complained a lot. After the service, when they went into the room with coffee and refreshments after the service, they took off their masks.

      After most parishioners were gone, the church staff took their masks off. They continued to talk to each other and the remaining parishioners without masks.

      I am planning to take a flight this week (Thursday), for another family get together in Minnesota. I expect the airport will be very full and crowded, again. Masks will be worn, but it is hard to imagine that they will make much of a difference.

  20. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    The findings undercut a key argument used by people who do not believe human activity is responsible for the bulk of climate change to explain trends in global warming, offering little doubt that the planet’s energy imbalance can be explained by Earth’s own natural variations.

    The research also offers important insights into how greenhouse gas emissions and other consequences of human-caused climate change are upsetting the planet’s equilibrium and driving global warming, sea-level rise and extreme weather events.

    OK, Please set up now and give me a good dose of DOUBT!

  21. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    The Problem with Consumerism and CC…

    Good luck …sure the Government’s and Corporations will adopt these measures to save the planet!
    If they were going to, it would have happened way back before it was too late to act.
    Instead we now have the Mister Ed End of the World Fantasy Show!

  22. Fast Eddy says:

    Vaccines Are Pushing Pathogens to Evolve

    Just as antibiotics breed resistance in bacteria, vaccines can incite changes that enable diseases to escape their control. Researchers are working to head off the evolution of new threats.

    • Student says:

      Fast Eddy, many thanks.

      • Student says:

        Applying a Socrates’ syllogism, we can say that:

        – as scientific community was aware of negative consequences about leaking vaccines on various virus such as for example Marek disease
        – and as Covid-19 vaccines are leaking ones
        – one can think those who developed Covid-19 vaccines were aware of the perpetual negative future loop generated by these vaccines.

        Having said that, one could think that R&D departments were aware and deceived boards.
        Or one can think that R&D dept. and companies were aware and deceived gov.ts.
        Or one can think that R&D dept. and companies and gov.ts were aware and deceived people.
        It is much probable that a general debate on this may start in the next months.
        The more people become aware of that the sooner this debate could start.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Many deceived.. but some surely have been informed that the Ripping of Faces epoch was fast approaching and made to understand that controlled extinction was preferable…

          There are parallels to this … Albright is not a monster… she would understand that if Saddam was messing around with the oil markets… he had to go … and if that meant using sanctions to control him that killed 500k children… she would have voted for that … because the alternative would be Ripping of Faces and 8B die…

          Spock would also vote for killing 50k children … there is no room for koombaya when making such decisions… logic must prevail.

          • She was not a monster?
            She as adult bombed the very people (Yugo/Serbs) helping her get out as kid during WWII..

            • fas says:

              Spock would have done it too

            • That’s debatable, Yugo/Serbs were at the time already on the ropes economically. The theory of serving as potential (missile) base for the Russians was bogus joke as them laying on the ropes as well..

              It’s documented pretty well that Yugo break up was fast tracked as *vendetta by neo-nazi (or perennial greater Germania) elements of the post ~1990s DE governments.

              That’s easily compare / contrasting to slightly less destructive figures be it Schroeder in DE or Chiraq in FR (crook but not staunch int nazi).

              * large losses for elite Germans during WWII (KIA family members of some future key DE politicos), centrist position during cold war etc..

    • Thanks for the reference.

      Good in some ways, but I have some concerns about obligatory comments such as this:

      “Yet don’t mistake these findings as evidence that vaccines are dangerous or that they are bound to fail — because undesirable outcomes can be thwarted by using our knowledge of natural selection, too. Evolution might be inevitable, but it can be coaxed in the right direction.”

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The author would not be aware that oil has peaked and that the Injections are purposed to exterminate humans…

  23. “Don Stewart” nailed it again in terms of perceived (de) population limits:

    The boundary for pop crash is so wide that it is unpredictable now what will eventually transpire on global and regional scale, the past examples of biodynamic approaches to secure healthy food (e.g. Cuba-lowtech context, S.Korea-lowtech context while inside high tech society) are irrefutable.
    So, it ends up with THE implementation (tweaks) question within myriad of diverse ecosystems, climate zones, pop densities, .. out there.. and obviously the intervening (sabotaging) factors of concurrently proceeding de-growth collapse sequence.. In short, that down sloping ride doesn’t have to be as sharp as imagined (optimal scenario).

    • Don Stewart is right. The financially poorest do better in terms of eating a proper diet and getting enough exercise than the rest of us.

      It is not really possible for the rest of us to transition in this direction, however.

  24. Yoshua says:

    Trump was the Commander in Chief for Operation Warp Speed that gave us the vaccines. Trump was also among the first who got the vaccine in January.

    Maybe they know that Devils Covid will kiII the unvaccinated?

    • Kowalainen says:

      Queue up for the clot shot when the unvaxxed starts to drop dead. What’s the rush? If it gets nasty on the streets, FFP3 your cookie hole and snout.

      In the mean time; chill and observe the herd and their mouthpieces.

      In any scenario; avoid covid. It’s a nasty experience. Gear up with a stash of respirators, PVP-I (oral and topical) plus a oxygen concentrator if shit heads south big time in the emergency rooms.

      • Or get ivermectin in an adequate quantity to have on hand. Take it at the first sign of problems.

        • Kowalainen says:

          It’s best not to get infected, however, I agree that it’s good to have a few extra Plan X’s if things turns from worse into atrocious.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Oh what’s a sore throat and a headache vs a Brain Clot… or a triple sized heart?

            If anyone is concerned about it getting beyond a cold… please do take Ivermectin…

            I am thinking…

            I will be using the Tracer App here in NZ … to IDENTIFY … places where people with covid have been … and I will immediately rush there and lick all door handles railings floors… and so on ….

            Because I WANT covid.. I love covid…

            This could be a reality Tee Vee show — Covid Hunters or Covid Chasers.

            • Kowalainen says:

              No, you do not want it. It is rough. I can only imagine what it does to old people, on second thought, I don’t want to imagine that.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              After my discussion with buddy last night I don’t want it … cuz there is no natural immunity to the sh it that the CovIDIOTS who are Injected are spreading…

              I am collecting stones to throw at the CovIDIOTS instead

          • Fast Eddy says:

            In all serious… if I was given the choice to 1. be Injected or 2. catch Covid…

            I would most definitely opt for 2.

  25. Fast Eddy says:

    Check it out

    Young people will be offered free taxi rides, pizzas and trips to the cinema if they agree to have a coronavirus vaccine as the government tries to boost uptake. Ministers are in talks with dozens of companies, including coffee and cinema chains, about a voucher scheme to be launched later this month, in time for the new academic year. 67 per cent of adults under 29 years old have had their first dose.

    So you blow your heart up for free cinema tickets… or a pizza….. after you post your Vaxxie on Facebook.

    I LOVE this Sh it!

    • Xabier says:

      And they are doing this in full knowledge of the death toll, and the heart problems in younger people.

      ‘How lovely you cottage is, all covered with biscuits and cakes!’ said the children

      ‘It’s even better inside, do come in!’ said the smiling old lady…..

      • Kowalainen says:

        Let’s be serious here; we’re running out of finite resources and god knows what to the biosphere. What’s to like about anything?

        It’s just sad and is what it is.

      • Rumor has it the FDA will approve, even in the face of (minimum) 12,000 US deaths and hundreds of thousands of maimings.

        How does this even happen?

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Isn’t it amazing that they created the Booster in such a short period of time and that it does not need to be tested!

  26. Tim Groves says:

    Prion diseases thanks to the jabs notwithstanding, at least it looks like we are not all going to die from delta just yet, although we may all catch it.

    This simple graph shows how the delta variant is a pussy cat—far less deadly than earlier tiger variants in the UK.

    Cases compared to Deaths in the UK, for each of the three waves:×568.png

    • Mike Roberts says:

      Far less deadly but perhaps only for vaccinated people?

      • TIm Groves says:

        Hi Mike. I don’t know if you saw the graph in question, but the lack of deaths is far too apparent to be accounted for merely by vaccinations.
        If we rely on Our World in Data for figures, the UK is currently 57% fully vaccinated and 70% at least one dose, so 30% have not had a single Covid-19 shot yet.

        Deaths are way down on this delta wave. Over 900 deaths per day during the first wave, over 1,200 deaths per day during the second wave, 57 deaths is the highest total during this third wave, while cases in the third wave peaked at over 80% of the rate in the second wave. If it were only for vaccinated people who were protected, the 30% unvaccinated would have accumulated about 350 deaths per day at peak, and this hasn’t happened.

        So far, delta is a lot less deadly for both vaxed and unvaxed.

        Please feel free to analyze this further and get back to us.

    • There seem to be poor countries with quite a few deaths from delta, but be don’t really know how good the reporting is, and what the mix of variants was. For example, Russia has had a spike in deaths with its recent spike in cases. Bangladesh is reporting relatively high deaths (at least, no lower than previously) with the new cases. Indonesia is also reporting a spike in deaths.

      If these countries didn’t have much COVID before, and not much vaccine in advance of the spike, the number of deaths might be higher.

      There is also a learning curve for physicians in treating hospitalized COVID cases. It seems like every country did poorly the first three months that COVID-19 cases hit. Once they start figuring out what they are up against, they don’t make the same mistakes others have made.

    • nikoB says:

      dark days ahead

    • Yorchichan says:

      Especially scary for those who have been vaccinated.

      “As for the vaccinated, numerous signals of widespread prion disease are already being identified (much stronger evidence may come when wider testing has been accomplished, which should hopefully be very soon) and it is likely a mere matter of months before the descent into madness begins.”

      • The article is even scary for someone living with someone who has been vaccinated.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Do you think we are at risk from contact with normduncmike here on OFW?????

          I will start taking Ivermectin… just in case….

          Hopefully CovIDIOCY is not contagious … because there is no cure that.

    • Tim Groves says:

      The above article is a must-read. Unless your opinions are carved in stone, I guarantee it will shift your perspective on at least one aspect of the Covid-19 issue. And you will definitely learn something.

      In the first section, the summing up of how viruses evolve when non-sterilizing vaccines are used during a pandemic is spelt out more clearly and in more detail than I’ve seen elsewhere, allowing me to get a better grasp of the process. It covers much the same ground that Geert Vanden Bossche does in his videos and blog posts, but more accessibly, which is very useful for getting the information more widely understood.

      Then there is a section arguing that governments are prolonging the pandemic because they have what could charitably be described as “ulterior motives”. I think most of us have guessed this is the case by this point, but it is worth reading about all the same. Treatments such as ivermectin could end Covid within two weeks if they were administered universally, but where’s the profit in that? It would let a good crisis go to waste.

      Then comes the really scary part. The spike is a prion protein akin to the prions that cause mad cow disease, kuru, Alzheimer’s disease, etc., and we are injecting trillions of them into billions of people. What could go wrong? “The fact that neurodegenerative disease is already being observed in vulnerable populations, mere months after the beginning of the wide-scale vaccination programs, is a terrifying indicator of the fact that it will not take anywhere near so long as usual to see the outbreak of extremely widespread prion disease, for which we presently have no cure.

      Speculative, but well written, well researched and with lots of links to back up what is being said, I can only hope and pray that Adam Gaertner’s worst fears are not going to be realized. But those who are rooting for the Compassionate Extermination Plan will enjoy reading this immensely.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        We can see this manifesting in normal-normdunc… Mad Goats….

        Then comes the really scary part. The spike is a prion protein akin to the prions that cause mad cow disease, kuru, Alzheimer’s disease, etc., and we are injecting trillions of them into billions of people. What could go wrong? “The fact that neurodegenerative disease is already being observed in vulnerable populations, mere months after the beginning of the wide-scale vaccination programs, is a terrifying indicator of the fact that it will not take anywhere near so long as usual to see the outbreak of extremely widespread prion disease, for which we presently have no cure.

      • Thanks for your summary. I agree that this article is a must-read.

    • This is quite the article! It brings a lot of the problems with the vaccines together into one place. It is well written by someone who obviously knows the proper medical terminology. I am afraid the author is correct, but would like to hope he is overly pessimistic. I did note that some of his link references are to “Tweets,” rather than to academic articles, but I suppose that is all of the evidence available.

      It is not easy reading. A person needs to be able to wade through the medical lingo we have been reading in recent months to read it.

    • This started out ok, but then I stumbled on the part where he said “Both of these evasion mechanisms are allowing the virus to persist, and to continue attacking the world in one wave after another.

      Does the virus really “continue to attack the world”?? Attributed deaths in this supposed “wave” are not rising, only “cases”. To the extent that this has been a “case-demic”, it continues to be so.

      The author’s level of erudition has certainly been expressed in past theology. See “angels”, “dancing”, “pin”.

      We think of ourselves as not subject to such silliness any longer. Why, do you think?

      • JMS says:

        I agree with you, Lidia. Virology has more in common with zombielogy than most people think.
        So far I haven’t seen anything that would make me question that we are dealing with a scaredemic manufactured through fake tests, medical/sanitary malpractices and misattribution,
        The “sarscov.2 virus” was the pretext needed to introduce the “vaccines”, in whose content resides the real danger.

    • Skimming the rest, there’s loads of good stuff.. but I still don’t get why the author keeps writing things like “the real and present threat of the virus”.. ?!?!?

      • Tim Groves says:

        Good point. Well, first off, apparently, this is a really sneaky and resourceful virus. It’s the Vietcong and a Taliban of viruses all rolled into one. And second, it’s getting government help. Jabbing billions of people with non-sterilizing vaccines during a pandemic is like throwing gasoline on a fire, or so I’m told.

        Of course, I know next to nothing about this virus for certain. I have to read and listen to the people trying to explain about it and form a view based on what I hear. While I might be able to spot some logical contradictions, I can’t verify anything. Virology is all just “germs” to me. It might as well be cooties for all I know. 🙂

        • Kowalainen says:

          The logical contradictions and narrative peddling blew this out of the water to me. No need for technical jargon and analysis.

          1. Surgical mask doesnt work (stated by Fauci)
          Why? Because nobody knew if those were effective. It would have been “bad” if they were.

          2. Wear a surgical or cloth mask (Fauci)
          Why? Because they don’t work. Then it is “all right” I guess.

          3. It is not airborne (Fauci)
          Why? Becayse nobody knew if it was airborne. Let’s “hope” for the “best” that it is.

          4. Cruise ships and aircraft carriers with massive outbreak.
          Obviously it is airborne. *Phew*.

          5. Lock people in with the stricken
          Why? Because it gets seriously ripping with people in close quarters

          6. Hug an asian, because otherwise rayciss
          Why? “We” gotta get this sucker ripping

          As for the rest – pretty much irrelevant.

          It follows the recepie on how to get a pandemic rolling. It is just too easy. Too damn easy if one thinks about it for a moment or two.

      • I write those things because the virus is in fact a real and present threat; the government responses are the same, and both are attacking us all.

        I appreciate all the comments. Hope y’all learned a few valuable things. Don’t forget to throw me a donation. Nobody’s paying me to do what I do. 😉

        • What is your background and training? I did not notice this on your website.

        • Adam, please explain where is the “real and present threat” of covid when annual death numbers haven’t really shown to’ve increased? Most “covid”-labeled deaths were probably flu, and affected oldsters with one foot in the grave already.

          How can there be a “real and present threat” when the avg. age of death “with covid” is higher than the avg. age of death, period?

          Better to die of covid—you’ll live longer!

          These are just two of the many basic ‘inconsistencies’ (intentional misrepresentations aka lies) that need to be addressed before it’s worth spending any time whatsoever on covid details, which are a pure distraction/frenzy to keep the public at large from apprehending the fact that:

          > we are starting to run out of FFs which can be logistically accessed by the system

          >> which situation irrevocably breaks the global debt-money scheme

          >>> inspiring the ‘opportunity’ (being seized—in “Lockstep!”—by TPTB) for a Great Reset that will

          >>>> impose a combination of total global economic control, enforced austerity, and de-population via heretofore-inconceivable totalitarian methods.

          They’ve told us this is what they were going to do, and they’re doing it. They may not be able to carry everything out as they imagine, but seems too late to stop the process that’s under way. Their mounting cöordinated hysteria to “vax” everyone including infants and zoo animals is getting shriller and more unhinged by the day. They are doubling- and tripling- and quadrupling-down, which in and of itself should of course make the whole affair suspect to anyone with an IQ above room temperature.

          You could write the most brilliant posts unlocking all the secrets of the supposed covid, get it in front of the eyeballs of every person on the planet, and it won’t change a single thing about how gov.s are acting and how the plebes will generally respond. It simply doesn’t matter.. it’s not an arena where logic or new revelations will have any sway at all. You might as well be writing about how many quatloons it will take to buy a sword in some video-game or other. “The Nightingale Blade is a leveled sword that does anywhere between 10-14 damage and absorbs 5-25 points of health.”

          The world you are writing about is not real. They even admit at times that it’s not real, but you haven’t listened to them.

          • JMS says:


          • The US death numbers really have increased. I have looked at the month by month numbers. January of 2021 is especially high. I downloaded numbers from the CDC site.

          • Mike Roberts says:

            Most “covid”-labeled deaths were probably flu, and affected oldsters with one foot in the grave already.

            “Probably flu”? Is that your considered opinion?

            “oldsters with one foot in the grave” So those people don’t matter?

            So it’s your opinion that most COVID-19 deaths were nothing of the sort and that only dispensable people died anyway, so no big deal. And you claim that someone else is not writing about the real world.

            • When the flu almost entirely disappears and is replaced with a “novel” disease with exactly the same symptoms, you don’t need a Ph.D. to figure out what is going on.

              You are utterly unserious.

            • Mike Roberts says:

              Actually, Lidia, a PHD thesis would be helpful. Certainly, last year’s flu outbreak here in New Zealand was almost non-existent due to border closures and reduced internal activity in the lead up to winter.

              Whatever you believe about the situation, the claim that most COVID-19 deaths were actually flu would require much more serious research than your opinion.

              “Unserious”? Every comment I make is completely serious. Perhaps that’s why several commenters here hate them so much that all they can do is insult me. No matter, that is up to them.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              “Unserious”? Every comment I make is completely serious.

              mike … I was giving you a wait out by calling you a troll… you really believe all this nonsense you post? As they say…. OMG…..

              Seriously … why are you here? What benefit is there to you?

              We don’t want your MSM Regurgitation — we are here because we reject the MSM… hopefully you choke on your regurgitated vomit….

            • When I looked at US data summarized from death certificates for 2020-2021 (which I downloaded from the CDC site), the number of deaths in the “influenza and pneumonia” category was perfectly normal. It was 55,000 plus, which was higher than the immediate prior years. The 2020 number may actually rise a little from the current report, because a few states are slow in getting death certificates processed.

              I think that there are multiple ways of identifying flu cases/deaths. Some of these are not working.

              Reporting active flu cases is a little different. In the US, the only reports required are with respect to those of children. The number of reported influenza cases in children was down from something like 157 to 1, according to one report. Whatever approach was being used to generate the estimate of influenza cases in children was not working.

              It is possible the problem is with the PCR tests not being able to distinguish the two types of cases. But by the time of death, physicians are able to see which is which, and record the cases properly (if instructed to do so). How this is handled could vary by country.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Walk toward the fire, Mike. Don’t worry about what they call you.

              Everybody, how do we usually tell whether we have the flu, or just a cold? I put it to you that our GP, or even we ourselves, mull over our symptoms and come to a snap decision based on whether they best fit the “flu” or the “just a cold” pattern.

              Most flu never gets tested for. It gets attributed. And in the Covid Era, the symptoms that used to get commonly attributed to flu by GPs may have been largely attributed to Covid-19.

              I’ve never had a test to analyze any viral disease. Even when I went down with norovirus (after another trip to another vet’s surgery—dangerous places!!), I simply lay on the floor wriggling about in agony and foaming at the mouth while googling around on my laptop and confirming to my satisfaction that, yes, these were the symptoms of norovirus infection.

              There may have been a lot of common or garden influenza around last year that was never tested for. Just because it wasn’t tested for doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.

            • Yorchichan says:

              In her latest video, Dr Sam Bailey lays out why she believes covid19 is all a hoax:


              I don’t know if she is right, but I do know that if there really was a deadly pandemic going around, the matter would not even be up for debate.

            • Mike Roberts says:

              It’s not up for debate, Yorchican. Except in blog comment sections.

            • Mike Roberts says:

              When I looked at US data summarized from death certificates for 2020-2021 (which I downloaded from the CDC site), the number of deaths in the “influenza and pneumonia” category was perfectly normal.

              Thanks, Gail. That suggests that COVID-19 deaths are not flu deaths, as claimed by Lidia.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              ?????? can you repeat that

              Meanwhile …

              Testimony of a Spanish doctor about the use of PCR tests to create waves of “infected people”.

              “Another secret of the PCR: when on TV they said, we are entering the first wave, in the mail we received a warning: we are going to do PCR with 35 cycles. This means that the magnifying glass looking at the sample (the mirror) increases the view under the microscope by 35 times. When they said, we are out of the first wave, a message arrived: we do PCR at 20 cycles.

              When PM Mr. Sánchez already said that we were entering the second wave, they increased the cycles to 35, and so we continued with the waves and with the descents of the waves. Now it is 20 because people are already vaccinated, and (ironically) they already cure everything. Now it is 20 cycles because people are already vaccinated, and (ironically) they already cure everything.

              But if you say that there are people with serious neurological side effects every day, what do they do to you? They suspend you, because the population cannot know the truth. They have told me this: you shut up, you protect your job, your salary, and the population is told what to say.”


  27. Herbie Ficklestein says:

    Ed, here’s where you need to relocate to next….

    Sat, July 31, 2021, 7:00 PM
    Despite global expectations to move away from coal, demand in China is still strong, as rising global temperatures causing heat waves are driving up electricity demand and coal prices.

    Thermal coal futures reached record highs in July as a heatwave in China sent electricity use soaring. In industrial areas of the country such as Zhejiang near Shanghai, electricity use exceeded 100 million kilowatts per hour as temperatures rose to 37 degrees Celsius.

    In response to the high energy usage across the country, coal prices exceeded 900 yuan (almost $140) a tonne in mid-July. This follows record prices for Asian coal in May, after an initially pessimistic outlook following the IEA report encouraging countries to move away from fossil fuels towards renewable alternatives.

    In spite of growing international pressure, coal continues to boom across much of Asia, with China at the helm. Although China is attempting to move away from coal, rationing electricity use to battle the rising demand of the major polluter, hot temperatures are forcing the government to keep on producing as well as importing to meet this demand.

    You can load up your shovel and burn, baby, burn you little bitty dirty 💗out,

  28. Malcopian says:

    All this talk about the puny lurgy. It’s even more boring than Scotland. 🙁

    Onto more serious matters.

    Meanwhile, Kim Jong-un has told me he has given up his plan to nuke New Zealand. He can’t afford it any more, because Fast Eddy stopped his pocket money when he found out about it. Instead he’s asked me to help crowd-fund Normal and Mirror being abducted by ETs. What do you think, people?

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Speaking of aliens, queen eLIZAbeth is a well known lizard infiltrator. Look at her dressed in GREEN here. This boy got wind of it.

    • Kowalainen says:

      Well, since it seems we could be slightly genetically modified (rapacious) primates. The alien schmucks could just buzz earth and then land outside my apartment. I’ll promise to confuse the living crap out of their Puritan boring. Why you might wonder? Let me explain:

      Because. 🤣👍

      • Malcopian says:

        “And God made Eve from Adam’s rib”. From his DNA – genetic engineering. So He took the easy way out. Lazy!

        Remember Linda Moulton Howe of ‘A Strange Harvest’ fame? She made the correlation between UFOs and mysterious cattle mutilations. Well, the US government tried to put pressure on her to leave the subject alone. After all, it might scare the public, especially since human mutilations are also found.

        Watch the video from the 44 minute point, to hear how a govt. rep. told her that ETs had indeed genetically engineered humans. Allegedly. You must make up your own mind, of course.

        • don’t start on aliens

          person or persons on ofw will certainly have an attack of conspiratitis

          • Malcopian says:

            You mustn’t dismiss subjects out of hand, Normal. You have a closed mind.

            • I don’t doubt that there are sentient beings ‘out there’, the universe contains so much material that it is inevitable

              but we can observe that our universe is made of the same elements that we already know of.

              there are no others. Nothing out there that we do not recognise from our own periodic table.

              if that is so, then ‘they’ are governed by the same laws of physics (and probable stupidity) as ourselves.
              a civilisation capable of getting ‘off planet’ would have reached the same levels of self destruction as us.

              we can ‘imagine’ all kinds of wondrous things—warp drive and such. But it remains just imagination.

              but the laws of physics seem to preclude the reality of anything else

              our own ‘off planet’ efforts have only been through the sophisticated versions of chemistry and physics known to the chinese 1000 years ago.
              there doesn’t seem to be anything available other than that.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Didn’t Aristotle say something about a curious and inquisitive mind entertaining a hypothesis without any beliefs?

              Moon hoaxes, aliens, 9/11 conspiracies, AGI’s, existentialist and evolutionary ideas is indeed quite amusing to ponder upon.

              Being an useful consumerist shackled by the narratives, social convention and ritual seem a bit… You know what I’m thinking… 🤣👍

              Assume mankind is some genetic abomination between aliens and primates. Wouldn’t that explain a few things that seem to be par de course for the usual rapacious primatery?

              As father as son and all that. 🤪👍

              After all, soon after the ice age ended with those comet impacts and following tsunami, “we” started building behemoth stone structures from nothing.

              Makes me wonder; why not skip the boring details and directly go for the kill from flint axes to semiconductor chips and rocketry.

              Yup, alien intervention surely would explain a whole lot of the ongoing primatery shenanigans. Muppets gonna muppet with genetics.



            • Fast Eddy says:

              normal norm … I LIKE it!

              Because as we know … to be normal is to be …. normal… what bigger insult to someone’s intellect can their possibly be?

              If Fast Eddy were every accused of being normal .. he’d be suicidal

          • Malcopian says:

            Mr. Pagett writes: “but the laws of physics seem to preclude the reality of anything else”

            That is from the perspective of Earth’s science NOW. But science never stops. Just suppose that elsewhere in this galaxy or another, a civilisation did NOT go capitalist and use up all their resources in a few generations. Then they could persist longer and go deeper into science – maybe even learn what gravity REALLY is and how to produce it. If what has been observed is true, then the ET’s can manipulate spacetime in their own vicinity. It is theorised that they have cracked gravity.

            There are just too many mysterious happenings around this subject – witnessed by hard-boiled military men, etc. – that defy physics as we know it. We have to think outside the box and realise that what happens on Earth does not preclude different developments elsewhere. It already looks that AI here will prove to be a real game-changer. Already we can sequence proteins, which would have taken years before. We’re already working on teleportation – I’m serious – google it. What next? Leaps that we can’t imagine. Perhaps we are now doomed and it won’t happen, but that is not to say that every planetary civilisation must follow in our footsteps. And especially not if the humanoids have a longer lifespan than ours.

            • my initial response was to try and simply the physical laws by which we are constrained.

              we have established the periodic table.

              we have the technology to recognise the presence of the same elements 000s of light years away. Proportions of elements vary according to different situations throughout the galaxy, but we can be certain that there are no ‘different’ ones somewhere else.

              That being so, any life form somewhere else exists in some kind of harmony with those elements.

              The prime ones being H2 0, water in liquid form. The rest follows on from that.

              if they exist, life forms then have a choice:

              1, they graze on the energy naturally produced on the planet where they live, in order to survive and procreate (which was what Earth life did for 2 bn years)

              or 2, they convert that energy into something else, and grow their numbers out of proportion to the environment that supports them. (Which is what humankind did for the last 10k years)

              To do that they must manipulate their environment. (They can’t ‘think’ industry into being) The elemental construction of any planet means that certain forces have to be applied in order to leave it. We can watch gravity at work everywhere in the universe. It applies to everything and everyone.

              We know that the universe is made of the same ‘stuff’ throughout, so it stands to reason that the same forces that constrain us, must act everywhere else.

              True, science never stops. But physical ‘progress’ depends on energy input to make it happen.

              To repeat myself—cheap surplus energy delivers technology. Cheap surplus technology cannot deliver energy. It can perhaps deliver an illusion of it, for a short time. Human nature makes us believe it, for a short time.

              Because the same laws of physics (due to the universality of the periodic table) apply everywhere, no ‘other world’ civilisation can arise on the basis of ‘alternative forces’. There are none.

              Phenomena we can’t explain? Certainly. But we are not being observed by other beings who choose not to talk to us. (that would show some sense come to think of it).

            • Fast Eddy says:

              ‘physical laws’

              What physical laws cause multi-tonne steel girders to fall horizontally and end up across the street?


            • stop embarrassing everybody with your desperation to be wordsmart eddy

              you aren’t, and I think it’s too late to learn.

              I suggested using Roget’s Thesaurus. that didn’t work.

              On second thoughts I think your comments would make more sense if you used the letter bag from a scrabble set. Put your hand in, grab a handful of letter tiles, scatter them across the board and write down what they say.

              that way we’d all have a better chance of getting some worthwhile information from your utterances.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              norm’s physics class…

              ‘today we will learn how gravity operates horizontally… let’s watch the following video of 911 … as we can see… the 10 tonne steel girders fall outwards and land across the street… this is known as horizontal gravity…. I received a special prize (at the carnival) for this theory’

            • desperation is painful to watch

              get your hand in the scrabble bag

            • one of the rules of wordball is that repeating yourself loses points

              you need more practice to get in the major league

              still—it keeps up your 1 in 3 count

            • Mike Roberts says:

              Excellent points there, Norman.

              Humans are acting like any other species, it’s just that our tool making abilities, and an opposable thumb, have enabled us to be more efficient than any other species at bending the world to our will, and, like other species, we don’t really take account of the impact of our behaviour. Without our particular abilities, nature would keep us in check, during the lifetime of our species.

              Why would any other species in the universe (if any exist outside this planet) behave differently?

            • there is a school of thought that sat says humans are a species that evolved to rid the earth of its excess carbon fossil deposits

              when we have done that our purpose here will have been served

            • Tim Groves says:

              We know that the universe is made of the same ‘stuff’ throughout, so it stands to reason that the same forces that constrain us, must act everywhere else.

              Once upon a time there was a big frog living in a small pond. He had lived there for many years and grown to know it intimately. But he was bored with always living in the same surroundings.

              So one day he hopped away until he found another pond, different but very similar to the first pond. He stopped at this second pond for a few days, but quickly became bored there too, so he moved onto a third pond… and a forth… and a fifth.

              After several weeks of pond hopping, his rovings took him back to his original pond. I sight a sigh of relief and ennui. He was finally home again.

              He had been everywhere there was to go. He had seen everything there was to see. And he knew everything there was to know about the Universe. Indeed, he was a very clever frog.

              It knew it was full of ponds just like his home pond. He knew that was is made of the same ‘stuff’ throughout, and so to his amphibian mind, it stood to reason that the same forces that constrained him in his pond, must act everywhere else.

            • rather like the thinking puddle, who looks around admires the hole he’s in.

              Thinks–‘aren’t I a lucky puddle to have found this hole that fits me so exactly’

              your comments are getting very eddyfied, offering ‘smarts’ with no substance. The Universe can be demonstrated to be of universal elements and forces throughout. Exercising your right to a different point of view isn’t going to change that.
              though I still find it hard to believe that you think that.

              Superman will never catch his gf when she falls out of a helicopter.

              Nowhere does ‘up’ replace ‘down’—unless you know differently of course?


              If I may paraphrase Bairnsfathers immortal cartoon:

              ”Well–If you knows of a better universe, go to it.”

            • Kowalainen says:

              Tim, right.

              What the F do “we” know about the processes that governs the universe? I mean, what is even “stuff”; atoms, particles and EM waves?

              For sure we can perform some accurate measurements on “stuff” and electromagnetic waves and draw some broad conclusions.

              But as to the essence of it; not a shred of a clue. Nothing. Total and complete ignorance.

              Worse even, we got these zero division schmucks seriously believing that objective reality creates singularities and big bangs is “real”. Because math and creation myth is fun and biblical. Well, it surely keeps them busy with drivel. As for gaining more knowledge about this universe?

              1. Idiots gonna idiot.
              2. Muppets gonna muppet.

            • doomphd says:

              what part of the controlled demolition don’t you understand, norman? you can clearly see the charges on the lower floors going off prior to the upper floors dropping, no? that’s what the yellow arrows indicate in the video.

              over 3000 died. so far, no one has been brought to justice. do you see a pattern with the US government in recent years? Hunter Biden’s laptop, RussiaGate, the Warren Commission (whoops, that was earlier), the Mueller investigation, which went nowhere, etc.,etc.

            • Maybe, at this point in time, the event is too far removed from what is going on to see the connection.

              September 11, 2001, was a time when oil prices were way too low for producers. There was the need for an excuse to attack other countries, to try to get oil prices up. The World Trade Center collapse would provide such an excuse.

          • Just skip it, like I do.

        • Malcopian says:

          For those of you that want to know about mysterious cases of human mutilation associated with UFOs (two in particular), watch this video from the 32 minutes point to the end. Be aware, it is gruesome. One can only feel pity for those victims. They were exsanguinated – the blood was completely drained from their body using methods not known to human science.

          • Malcopian says:

            “Because the same laws of physics (due to the universality of the periodic table) apply everywhere, no ‘other world’ civilisation can arise on the basis of ‘alternative forces’. There are none.”

            So says Normal, because he’s investigated it. Not! Physics can be manipulated in different ways. We have seen how, on this very Earth, the Giza pyramid is such that it could not be built in our times.

            Normal says: “we are not being observed by other beings who choose not to talk to us.”

            Well, this Scottish fellow was, and the police found evidence that it was so. Maybe “they” will try to abduct Mirror next. 😉 But Normal is stuck in the era of mangles and crank handles and can accept nothing new.

            • I was always fascinated by my grandmothers mangle—looked highly dangerous and as such very interesting to me as a small boy.

              I haven’t investigated anything

              the periodic table applies everywhere

              we are governed by the forces that hold those elements together (or not)

              “imagining’ the pyramid was built by aliens is an amusing pastime, or that Warpspeed is possible.

              but it is just that.

              because no ‘proof’ exists that the pyramids were not built by aliens, does not constitute ‘proof’ that they were.

              science just doesn’t work like that.

              imagination does

            • Malcopian says:

              Normal wrote: ‘ “imagining’ the pyramid was built by aliens is an amusing pastime’

              I never said it was. It was clearly built by an advanced human civilisation, pre-flood, with advanced but different science from ours. Listen to the engineers. But no – Normal never examines the videos that we post, nor can he suggest reasons for the otherwise unfathomable stuff. His mind is closed.

            • if we’re into ‘pre flood’ thinking

              then I must bow out of this exchange. We go from aliens into the really weird and wacky there.

              there was no ‘great flood’…..the likely source of that historical fact was the opening up of the Bosphorus strait post ice-age, maybe 16/20k years ago. (sea level rise)
              That would certainly form the basis of the legend

              that flooded the Black Sea depression, well within the living memory of man.

              There have been other floods throughout the world.

              But no universal inundation. Sorry—I can’t exchange any kind of logic with a mind that accepts that. I have enough trouble with jwitnesses on that score as it is.

              Say I have a closed mind. That is your prerogative. If that annoys you, that is my prerogative.

            • Tim Groves says:

              there was no ‘great flood’…..the likely source of that historical fact was the opening up of the Bosphorus strait post ice-age, maybe 16/20k years ago.

              That was a very great flood indeed.

            • indeed it was—to those living there

              but people living in tibet hardly got their feet wet

            • Malcopian says:

              Normal says:

              “I can’t exchange any kind of logic with a mind that accepts that”

              Interestingly, a myth of a great flood is found around the world. There have been various suggestions of what might have caused such a global disaster – an asteroid striking the sea of Madagascar, for instance. But we’ll probably never know. Maybe Normans of the future will think that A. G. W. was a myth. Some already do, of course. But just occasionally global disasters do happen.

              Closed minds are common. Could the Victorians have imagined the wonders of computers, the microchip, the internet? When in 1942 der Phewrer was presented with the idea of a jet, he could not accept that a plane could fly without a propeller. He later changed his mind. However, a Normal back then would not have changed his closed mind, and we would have won the war quicker!

            • if we’re discussing closed minds, I actually said:

              >>>>>There have been other floods throughout the world.

              But no universal inundation. Sorry—I can’t exchange any kind of logic with a mind that accepts that. I have enough trouble with jwitnesses on that score as it is.<<<<<

              great floods occurred at different times in history.—that's just common sense.

              but to demand credence to be given to Noah's flood is expecting even OFW hoaxery to stretch too far—as the rampant myth of AGW testifies.
              No shortage of deniers there!

              and please—the difference between a jet and propeller is a childlike comparison.

            • Kowalainen says:

              The thing about Normal is that he got zero, and I’ll repeat, ZERO STEM education, skill and experience. Make that a third time.

              ZERO understanding of engineering and scientific processes.

              Whatever Normal understands as self evident, such as the Internet and that computer of his, those gizmos and gadgets would be completely science fantasy for Normals ‘Normal’ grandparents and great grandparents. Heck even for Normal, say 30 years in the past.

              Normal; repeat after me.


              Bronze Age people building pyramids and quarrying 1000 ton blocks of stone? I mean? Seriously WTF? 🤔

              Two scenarios for the destruction and “melt water pulse 1”.

              1. We did it to “ourselves”.
              2. Aliens did it.
              3. Shit happens in the planetary system.

              Given our track record of rapacious primate retardation. I’ll give 1. a fairly high probability. Blaming 2. is just too damn convenient. It is likely if an alien species ever visited earth, they’d likely be aghast at the rapacious primates.

              I’d give us the benefit of doubt and aliens deciding to nuke us from orbit, which of course is the sane option.

              It’s the only way to be sure.

              As for 3., we’ll, we were likely too busy with trite drivel and debauchery to bother about some extinction level rock heading our way.


              History repeats itself because rapacious primate societies isn’t scalable. Because MOAR. Yes indeed, monkey wants and desire MOAR.


              Mm, yeah, why don’t I “reproduce”. Dunno, whaddaya think Normal?


            • lol

              for a start, the average blocks of stone in the pyramids were about 2.5 tons…still a bit of a heaving problem—but creating a 1000 ton fantasy kinda spoils the effect wouldn’t you say?
              the biggest core stones were about 70 tons

              the largest Stonehenge stones are about 35 tons.

              where did 1000 tons come from? You really shouldn’t make stuff up just for effect. Always check your garbage before exposing it to the world. If you write foolishness that involves me I will point it out.

              There are pictures available showing teams dragging colossal statues by sledge–they are not being levitated–trust me. Egyptian wall painters didn’t go in for fantasy in that context.

              do please do a fact check. Its easy on this gizmo I’ve got here.

              Next, stone can be split with hand tools, by cutting a depth into it, along a desired line, then banging in wooden wedges.
              Copper can be flame hardened, and this hardness must be constantly refixed as it softens by being worked. (you didn’t know that?)
              Something to do with the laws of physics I believe, about which I know nothing.

              a skilled stone cutter had a team of metal hardeners as backup. A scientific process that was so complex as to be exclusive to some kind of alien tribe of superhumans.
              Funny—I knew that at school.
              Maybe my science teacher was a alien. Possible.

              The wood must be very dry

              wetting the wood expands it, and splits the rock. A skilled stonemason can split rock that way so that it requires minimal working afterwards.

              This technique has been around for 000s of years. I’m surprised you didn’t know about it.
              you’re starting to sound like eddy. Repeating his brand of nonsense won’t make it believable.
              I hope you haven’t been sitting on his favourite Onassis barstool —the one he gets his inspiration from.
              it has dire side effects–be careful.

            • Kowalainen says:

              You prove my point.

              Where did I write that the casing and interior of the pyramid was made of 1000ton blocks?

              Yeah hacking away at granite and basalt with bronze chisels and stones. Try getting one surface straight. When you are done with that assemble a team to build a pyramid in 20years. Remember, no power tools and your quarry should be 500km’s away from the building site.

              No gaps and wobbles in the structure. The Stone to Stone interface shall have a tolerance in which not a single human hair should fit. Repeat for all stones in the structure.

              After that you should hack out a few perfect ginormous statues and obelisks a couple of hundred tons each. Continue with basically flawless reliefs and embosses in temples all across earth at basically the same geological time.

              Good luck Normal, assemble that team. You’re the engineer here and not me.

              Google and YT a bit on the quarry in Aswan. And some other megalithic stuff that seem to be hanging around and likely is much older than the pyramids.

              Loads of stuff submerged as well. Tell me, Normal, did meltwater pulse 1 disrupt something perhaps?

              What’s on CNN and BBC tonight Normal?


            • quote

              Bronze Age people building pyramids and quarrying 1000 ton blocks of stone? I mean? Seriously WTF?

            • Heresy here we come, Norman is perhaps onto something here. My memory is not serving me well perhaps, lastly I looked into it like two decades+ so could be imagining things today.. or perhaps remembering only selectively..

              Firstly, the quality of material used and workmanship differ greatly on these structures, basically the outer layer and decor are the highlights, while the core mass (most of the material) is not that exceptional.

              At times even more edgy hypothesis pops up, e.g. that the ordinary filling blocks were casted-poured aka quasi mass manufactured in millions not chiseled out by mm etc.

              Also, there is apparent distinct progress from older more rudimentary structures of previous generations of builders towards the more recent advanced ones (e.g. Cheops).

            • Kowalainen says:

              Casting granite and basalt?

              Am I the only engineer here?

              First, how the the *##*{]$•|~ do you cast granite and basalt and then forget about it?

              Second, how do you get molds that produce perfect, yet different blocks?

              Third, the amount of molds required would be astronomical.

              Fourth, where are the molds? They surely weren’t made of wood. Because too low tolerances.

              Fifth, how is it possible to core drill granite/basalt with the tools of an era?

              Sixth, where’s the precursors of all megalithic structures? Usually perfection isn’t attained the first try?

              Seventh, why does the quality of the construction deteriorate over time?

              Eight, the “pregnant woman” in Baalbek? A basically agrarian society knows how to quarry a 1000 ton block?

              Ninth, why no decorations and hieroglyphs on the surface of the pyramids and megalithic structures all across the world.

              Tenth, tolerances and precision.

              Eleventh, tolerances and precision.

              Twelfth, tolerances and precision.

              Thirteenth, tolerances and precision, just that alone besides the insurmountable practicality of transporting the volumes of rock from the distant quarries, after the quarrying operations.

              Fourteenth, tolerances and precision. Should I go on?

              Fifteenth, perfect symmetry, as enabled by superior tolerances and precision.

              Let’s be realistic here. Who exactly “decided” that an agrarian Bronze Age civilization created those?

              I’d like to read the source of that highly technical assessment. And no, archeologists and egyptologists won’t cut it as the expertise on how to build shit.

              Give me one credible source, and neither Normal. nor what the other Normals of “society” accepts as “everybody knows” of how there were made”.

              How about bringing in the engineers and booting out the halfwittery of institutionalized “Normals” in archeology and associated narrative peddler dimwits?

              Yes, how about that?

            • Clearly (“mine”) context was rather about the edge theory presented some decades ago, that these run of the mill “inside filler” regular “stone” blocks, i.e. between the posh outside cladding (now weathered down or even artillery bombed down by Napoleon’s gang) and those ultra heavy inner-pathway rough megablocks, could have been made by some form of casting/pouring..

              On the topic of granite, there are known methods going way back how to polish it into shape in subsequent layers – cascade of differently sized/grained material. Also, there are ways leveraging exotic herbal and mineral extracts for such polishing, this was likely long distance trade based, sort of one and only for given period etc. This kind of grinding is a slow process but doable to shape out large ornamental blocks. Also not claiming necessary all the most complicated granite ones were made that way..

              Moreover, to wear the great opportunist hat, I guess you could be both right and it was actually some combo of human and ext. forces “working together”.

              To simplify, for example, assume a failed or tech problem riddled kind of mission where the ext guy got stuck on Earth with fewer than optimal “power packs” not able to use some first tier comm/travel technology as usual, so he used the spare “power packs” instead to infiltrate pharaoh dynasty and nudge them to build some sort of gigantic “resonating structure” amplifying his last available gear..

              Again, the step from older early style structures (smaller, rectangular) to larger and precise geometrically shaped (Cheops) is puzzling. So, they done it before but later upgraded into way fancier achievement.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Worldof, I’m just providing food for thought in a rhetorical manner. Don’t take it as an assault on your consideration. I’m a provocateur. 🙃

              I’m not rejecting that those blocks could have been poured, but then again, why the need for the quarries in the first place?

              Who knows what went down right about at the end of the last glacial maxima? Quite certain is it that some space rock struck earth making terrible mess of mostly everything plus some ‘what have you’ weaponry that razed most of the megalithic structures and civilizations around earth.

              As previously noted and from the evidence of last civilizations the Homo sapiens sapiens genome and psychology clearly indicates boom and bust cycles. I.e. the Yuga cycles.

              It is as if we aren’t compassionate or vicious enough to craft stable societies. At some point as described by the Volterra-Lotka nonlinear systems, stuff spirals out of control and then it crashes back into the Stone Age, or dark ages, you name it. In perpetuity.

              The sad thing is that we “predate” on our own kind. I mean WTF is wrong with the rapacious primates? Specially since we are basically identical clones of each other.

  29. Mirror on the wall says:

    This seems to be a very odd report.

    > US military changing strategy after losing simulated war with China

    ‘They knew exactly what we’re going to do before we did it,’ a US general revealed

    A general has revealed that the US military “failed miserably” in a war game, leading to a major fighting strategy change. The United States’ readiness for armed conflict was put to the test in an exercise last October, which ended up uncovering serious weaknesses in its warfighting strategy, reports Business Insider. Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General John Hyten said on Monday: “Without overstating the issue, it failed miserably.”

    During the simulated war, described as “a fictional confrontation with China” that involved a fight over Taiwan, the imaginary enemy upended the blue team’s (ie the United States’) strategy of “information dominance”. “An aggressive red team [taking the role of hostiles] that had been studying the United States for the last 20 years just ran rings around us,” said Mr Hyten. He added: “they knew exactly what we’re going to do before we did it, and they took advantage of it.” “Imagine what our actual competitors have been doing for the last 20 years, with probably even more focus, with larger numbers,” Mr Hyten said. “So we had to take a step back and look broadly and say: ‘OK, what did we miss?’”

    Mr Hyten said that the US forces attempted to establish information dominance, “just like it was in the first Gulf War, just like it has been for the last 20 years, just like everybody in the world, including China and Russia, have watched us do for the last 30 years.” The attempt failed immediately, because of the US military’s reliance on digital data and communications, which can be disrupted if US satellites are targeted. The simulated engagement also showed that aggregating American forces might leave them more vulnerable against great power enemies. “In today’s world, with hypersonic missiles, with significant long-range fires coming at us from all domains, if you’re aggregated and everybody knows where you are, you’re vulnerable,” Mr Hyten said.

    The Pentagon has since been looking at how to update its warfighting approach to an “expanded maneuver” strategy. Its purpose is to develop the capability to attack in a way that makes it impossible for an adversary to defend itself, and connect command and control links to give commanders a clearer picture of the battlefield. Mr Hyten said the changes were essential as the US military’s warfighting edge over rival powers like China is “shrinking fast”.

    • Kowalainen says:

      Surely it must have been the Swedes that hacked and jammed them into oblivion. After all, Sweden is the country of the kings of cyber warfare. Ericsson and all those radar and RF shenanigans. Plus those Swedish electronic warfare suites must be pretty good these days.
      “Sweden are not member of NATO but signed a Partnership for Peace agreement in 1994. In recent years, U.S. military has increasingly trained together in exercises with the Nordic countries.”
      “U.S. military personnel began participation today in Exercise Aurora 2017, a Swedish national exercise designed to strengthen regional defense capabilities.”

      Then the stories of the Gotland class submarine that “sunk” an US carrier. Snuck in, shot a few pics of the carrier through the periscope and swam away undetected.

      The Gripens at Red Flag and other exercises seem pretty difficult to down when they’re synching up the radars and using old school paper maps for navigation. I doubt they even cranked up the EW suites to full tilt.

      But what do I know.

    • Surely today’s war is not the kind of war fought in the past.

      Our enemies are much more sophisticated. Information is likely to be intercepted, among other things.

    • That’s funny, partly it’s unashamed call for further weaponization of space.
      Also on the Chinese msm int channel some scholar said the US mil stock piles are full of ammo (as Trumpo waged few wars) so they expect some flare up soon to dispose of material from these warehouses (as to procure new deliveries), so allegedly new war-skirmish in the Middle East to be expected again..

    • Xabier says:

      The best outcome of wargaming is when the results convince the generals that it would be best to keep their expensive, lethal, toys in the cupboard.

      The worst, when they conclude that they have a narrow window in which victory can be achieved before advantage is lost – that is what led Germany to war twice in the 20th century: ambition and the sense of a limited opportunity to strike.

      The problem with seeking to secure total power is that it must inevitably slip through one’s fingers.

      Will we, the spectators of these puerile games, be killed by other governments, in war, or by our own, with injections?

      Does it make any odds which it is to be, really?

      • Malcopian says:

        [facemask]Trump was a big-mouth who talked hard, but he never went to war with anyone. That’s because, deep down, he was a softie and a scaredy-cat. But not going to war with anyone cost him the election. His hardcore supporters expected it of him. It would have converted a few right-wing Democrats too.

        To win the next election, Biden needs to nuke China, North Korea, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and Mexico back to the Stone Age. In doing so, he’ll chuck a few particulates into the air, which will cool us all down massively. The Americans, and even the greens among them will be hugely grateful and re-elect him. 🙂 [/facemask].

  30. Yoshua says:

    In addition to work, a home and food, we need health. We won’t perform well if we are disabled or dead.

    We are in an evolutionary race against the virus, which we made worse with mass vaccinations. Antibody Department Enhancement is called Serial Passage in a laboratory. The 15th mutation of the SARS virus became 100% lethal in young mice. The 15th mutation of Sars-Cov-2 would be Omega variant.

    China has a high vaccination rate. How many vaccinated, asymptomatic, infected do they have that are spreading the virus from city to city?

  31. MG says:

    One ridiculous study…

    An Analysis of the Potential for the Formation of ‘Nodes of Persisting Complexity’

    Human civilisation has undergone a continuous trajectory of rising sociopolitical complexity since its inception; a trend which has undergone a dramatic recent acceleration. This phenomenon has resulted in increasingly severe perturbation of the Earth System, manifesting recently as global-scale effects such as climate change. These effects create an increased risk of a global ‘de-complexification’ (collapse) event in which complexity could undergo widespread reversal. ‘Nodes of persisting complexity’ are geographical locations which may experience lesser effects from ‘de-complexification’ due to having ‘favourable starting conditions’ that may allow the retention of a degree of complexity. A shortlist of nations (New Zealand, Iceland, the United Kingdom, Australia and Ireland) were identified and qualitatively analysed in detail to ascertain their potential to form ‘nodes of persisting complexity’ (New Zealand is identified as having the greatest potential). The analysis outputs are applied to identify insights for enhancing resilience to ‘de-complexification’.”

  32. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    Nanjing: New virus outbreak worst since Wuhan, say Chinese state media
    30 July 2021

    Officials have begun citywide testing in Nanjing

    A Covid outbreak first discovered in the Chinese city of Nanjing has spread to five provinces and Beijing, with state media calling it the most extensive contagion after Wuhan.

    Almost 200 people have been infected since the virus was first detected at the city’s busy airport on 20 July.

    All flights from Nanjing airport will be suspended until 11 August, according to local media.

    Officials also began city-wide testing amid criticism for their “failure”.

    Ed bathe Elders are busy again with another round of CEP

    • I notice, “Testing has shown that the virus has now spread to at least 13 cities including Chengdu and the capital Beijing.”

      I notice that when I search for China coronavirus news, my computer shows a chart where COVID cases have been found in the last 14 days. There seems to be a dot in almost every province in the eastern half of China. I wouldn’t be surprised if China cannot get the epidemic under control this time.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Disclaimer, I really know very little about Covid or treatment, but know a bit about antibiotics. The more they have been used, the less efficacious they have become to the point where some versions of TB for example are not treatable(at least when I was practicing).

        Looked for data on percentage of unvaccinated who get Covid, couldn’t find that. Roughly if one is not vaccinated, there should be a zero percent chance of having complications from the vaccine. Shouldn’t be that tough to take the unvaccinated population, compare diseased with immune and compare that with complication rate.

        Mexico’s President has said no to multiple doses(three?) for children. They also had a ivermectin study not reviewed which seemed to show good results – the nurse/practitioner from England presented that data.

        Agendas are flying, very difficult to understand what is the best course, so very much emotion.

        Always the optimist, what will be will be and we will be fine. Also, if there is an afterlife with an elevator, perhaps live one’s life such that when entering the lift the welcoming comment might be, “Well not great, but good enough.”

        Dennis L.

        • Tim Groves says:

          Dennis, I know you don’t approve, but I caught the sniffles the other day after visiting the vets, so I dosed on ivermectin for two days—my first time taking this medicine. Result, no Covid, no side effects, my sniffles went away, and my athlete’s foot cleared up. I think I’m onto a winner there.

          My siamese cat is not so lucky. He is going to have to have surgery to install an artificial pipe from his bladder to the outside. The cat is prone to bladder stones, and even with a strictly controlled diet of special food imported from South Korea and Italy, he still ends up with very small crystals like grains of sand, which can block the piping and prevent urination. Fortunately for him, he gets to keep his penisss, but he’s getting a bypass with a wider aperture.

          What he’s going to do when the international trade in expensive cat food dries up I shudder to think.

      • Sam says:

        Yes but is the virus as bad? I thought that the virus was getting weaker?

    • What is the point in continuing to talk about “cases”, when we know the tests to be unreliable? Is anybody actually sick? Argh.

      • And if they are sick, are they seriously ill?

        • Tim Groves says:

          I’m not actually sick, but yesterday I woke with a sore throat, which I cured by gargling with salt water and a dash of hydrogen peroxide. Today I awoke with a headache at the back of the head, which has now moved over and behind the eyes. This is often the symptom of a cold for me in the same way that distant thunder is often a sign of an approaching storm.

          On Friday I took a sick cat to the vets, and waited inside for about an hour, exposed to goodness how many exotic and common or garden germs. Perhaps I picked something up there, although everyone was masked apart from that miniature poodle, the receptionist—who is the vet’s wife and rules the clinic—had her nose sticking out above the face diaper. So I’ve probably got a mild cold coming on. However, in Corona Times we can’t be too careful. So I’ve started taking the evil Ivermectin just in case.

          What is the R value of the delta variant? According to Forbes Magazine, “Data analyst Tomas Pueyo [remember him? social science major and Ted talker], who also referenced the Gunagzhou study in his most recent article, compared the R naught (R0) values—a mathematical measure of contagion—of the Delta and original variants. His comparative model, which placed the R0 of the original strain at 2.7 and that of Delta at 6.”

          Oh goody. This means people who contract delta will on average infect six other people. Which in turn means it’s unstoppable and that the entire world population will be infected by the time it takes the yoghurt to consume all the milk in the container, and so we can all go back to normal by September.

          Seriously folks, if a virus has an R value of 6, think of the implications of that. It’s well beyond our present social control capabilities to stop that roller coaster domino effect from reaching everyone. Not even the CCP can manage that.

  33. MG says:

    The cold wave in Brazil continues…

    Frio: Como a Ciência explica temperaturas extremamente baixas que devem chegar ao Brasil

    • MG says:

      Rare Cold Snap in Brazil Threatens Global Coffee Supply

      • MG says:

        Coffee prices soar in Brazil due to drought

        • Tim Groves says:

          Rare cold snap due to globbly wobbly?

          Drought induced by climatageddon?

          It couldn’t just be the weather.

          This is where we need Herbie’s expertise.

          • MG says:

            I would say that a part of the problem is also that the humans stopped to take into account possible abberations of the clmt which make some human habitats more vulnerable than others.

            The humans create the human habitats also where they are not safe.

            The clmt chng happens and it damages or destroys the human habitats as well as the habitats of other species.

            Geada de 1975 no Paraná decretou o fim do café na região


            “A cafeitura de grande escala durou aproximadamente 40 anos no norte de Paraná. Após a geada de 1975, ela nunca mais se recuperou.”

            There are large clmt chngs, but also the clmt cycles which the humans stopped to take into account. So the problem is that it is not just human iduced drougt and floods, but also natural cycles which existed before.

            The humans are not in control of the clmt. The complete story is that the human habitats are, due to the population growth, created more and more in the areas which are not safe. And there are also clmt chngs induced by the humans.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Thanks MG. I basically agree with what you’ve written.

            • Xabier says:

              The genius of our species often lies in taking promising, comparatively safe, environments and then ruining them.

              And, yes, we do tend to push into places we really shouldn’t settle in.

              We also love to construct houses of cards which can tumble with the slightest impact.

          • Harry McGibbs says:

            Drought induced by an amped up global hydrological cycle, deforestation of the Amazon and the Cerrado altering rainfall patterns and exacerbated by La Nina earlier this year.

            • Tim Groves says:

              That’s interesting, Harry. I understand deforestation of the Amazon and the Cerrado and I understand La Nina changing weather patterns.

              But would an “amped up” global hydrological cycle make things wetter or drier?

              I would expect it to run => warmer oceans, more evaporation, more precipitation, less drought, more flood, less desert, more forest.

              The cooler than now glacial period, when the Isle of Skye was under an ice cap, had much less rain and much more drought than at present.

              An unbroken string of deserts extended from the Atlantic across Africa and Asia to the Pacific. Much of that area is grassland now.

              The warmer than now Holocene optimum had significantly more rain and less drought than at present.

              That was when the Sahara turned to Savannah and Lake Chad was Lake Mega-Chad, with a maximum area of 350,000 km2. Mind you, it was a rather shallow lake.

            • MG says:

              E.g. the deforestation of the dry Gran Chaco is an example how crazy humans are when they deforest areas that are not suitable for the agriculture because of the insufficient water supply.

              This is how the limits are crossed, when the humans advance into the areas which are not suitable for the given activities. And exactly this behaviour of the humans is the hallmark of the limits to growth.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Balochistan is another example. It has certainly experienced progressive desertification between the late nineteenth century and today. Of the factors driving this trend, over-grazing and over-harvesting of wood have played major roles. The region would get enough precipitation to avoid becoming a desert if it had not been subject to that onslaught from people and livestock. But once the desert areas form, it is difficult to reverse the process as precipitation is not very high.

          • hillcountry says:

            Tim – in response to one of your comments. Sometimes the simplest explanation accounts for much more than one might imagine at first glance. Here’s a hypothesis that you may not have encountered.


            The second annotated picture is from a north-facing house in Dallas TX and shows a phenomenon in 2018 which has been reported as having occurred once again over the last few weeks; this time from the 45th-parallel in northern Michigan (post-Solstice), where the sun continued further (true) North at sunset. Folks can debate whether we should ever be seeing the sun rise-and-set as far North as it has been for many years in this hemisphere’s summers, but it’s absolutely not supposed continue Northwards after the Summer Solstice, by definition and historical experience.

            A source who has good visibility told me a week ago that the Sun had stopped going North (then at about the 10:30-mark on a clock-face [with 12:00 being true North]) but couldn’t discern if it was heading back southwards yet. Leading into and inclusive of June 21st, it had been rising at about the 2:00-mark and setting at the 10:00-mark. So, quite similar to the Dallas observations in 2018.

            The axis-tilt hypothesis includes that the 2004 and 2011 tsunamis (and associated earthquakes) were a result of long-term Antarctic ice-melt having changed the gyroscopic anchoring-effect of that enormous mass on the planets’ stability. Innuit Elders were reporting altered sun-positions in 2011, via interviews still available on YouTube (and who pays attention to the sun more than they do in these high-tech ‘latter’ days?). There are also a few people making videos about their need to change the location and angles of solar panels in long use. Other than that, there’s very little discussion of the topic beyond the staid consensus. Were the hypothesis true, is there any lie too big for those tasked with managing societies and informing them as to what’s up? And if people were informed, can you imagine the mad-dash to taking-up residence in the equatorial latitudes, where most ancient civilizations found their sweet-spots. The ecology at the equator would be the least affected by this new tilt-orientation. Maybe people not already in that zone are simply being written-off as it were, along with their infrastructure and social institutions.

            The problem most people I’ve broached the subject with have is that they can’t quite visualize the Earth, after its having had a series of shifts over 17-years (and at least one really major wobble, somewhere between 2014 and 2015), being in a increasingly-horizontal position, relative to its previous 23.5 angle; and further, what that would portend seasonally, as Earth orbits the Sun. Part of the problem is thinking one would have “felt” the larger shifts. But we don’t feel the 1,000-plus MPH spin, although large bodies of water with their huge inertia obviously do. Sometimes drawing a picture helps to see how the summer months in the Northern Hemisphere would be more sun-facing and the winter months opposite. At which point, pondering the profound consequences is a natural exercise. I’m not sure exactly where the Tropic of Cancer is these days, but the sun was almost, if not directly-overhead here, on the 2021 Solstice and I’m in southern Michigan, a long way from Mexico where it previously crossed.

            Bing has a tidy map of the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn, useful for consideration of the geopolitical side of the equation.


            We may have lucked-out in avoiding continent-wide tsunamis this time around. I have it second-hand from an oil geologist in Nevada that this kind of thing is known to have happened at least 11 times in Earth’s history. Thus, prehistoric petrified salt-water monsters unearthed in southwestern deserts, on display as roadside attractions.

            Maybe Fast Eddy can report-in on the Winter Solstice from down-under if the CEP doesn’t wipe the slate clean in the meantime. We’re coming out of a solar minimum, so things could get pretty interesting over the next few years, if Antarctica is double-wham’d by the increased energy-output, plus a more sun-facing orientation during its Summer months.

            If the hypothesis is correct, of course.

            I’d be happy to see it well-refuted.

            • hillcountry says:

              I noticed a text-typo in the paragraph under the picture. 2015 was NOT the same as 2014 (which is obvious when looking at the year annotations on the lines on the picture)

            • Fast Eddy says:

              But norm dunc read in the MSM that it’s the fossil fuel burning that causes the kkkkllimate to change… and they believe what they read in the MSM.

              If only the MSM would report on Sweden covid would be over.

            • Strange! It seems like if anything like this was happening, NASA would be discussing it.

            • Tim Groves says:

              This is exactly the kind of thing I like pondering. Even though I lack the talent, the diligence and the precision instruments to be able to measure exactly where the sun rises and falls at solstices from year to year.

              NASA should be investigating this and they mould start from the amount of ice that has been melting. In 2010, they reported that “Gravity data collected from space using NASA’s Grace satellite show that Antarctica has been losing more than a hundred cubic kilometers (24 cubic miles) of ice each year since 2002.”

              If that’s the correct rate and all that melted ice has been going into the oceans, I assume it would be spreading out around the globe as water finds its own level. Again, I assume this could theoretically affect the planet’s axis of rotation, but I am not trained in how to work out by how much or whether it is significant enough to affect how far north or south the sun wanders—which would be an artifact of how much the earth orbital parameters have shifted.

              Keith might know about this, but even if he doesn’t, I bet he knows a guy who knows a guy who can plot it to 8 decimal places.

              In my neighborhood here in the woods of olde Kyoto, I know an American who built his own house on the side of a hill with a view to the west that includes Mount Mitake, which is just over 800 meters tall and has three distinct peaks (as the name indicates) separated by two “notches”.


              From my friend’s living room window, we can watch the sun go down in summer behind the mountain, and at around the solstice, it is visible within the second peak, making this mountain a sort of natural Stonehenge from this location.

              I don’t know how carefully he’s been watching, but he’s in an ideal location. So I shall ask him if the setting sun has been up to any tricks lately. On problem is that the summer solstice occurs during the rainy season, and so the sunset is often obscured by clouds.

              Harry, I’m sure your castle is surrounded by mountains. Are there any points convenient for measuring the position of the midsummer sunset? And have you noticed anything odd recently?

  34. Harry McGibbs says:

    “‘Catastrophic’ food shortages set to sweep world’s hunger hotspots driving up starvation and deaths, UN warns.

    “More than 41 million people worldwide are at risk of falling into famine or famine-like conditions unless they receive immediate help.”

    • In the US, we don’t hear about the “catastrophic” food shortages that are hitting. This seems to be the way that Limits to Growth plays out.

      • Harry McGibbs says:

        “The UN World Food Programme said it expected to run out of food in the war-torn Ethiopian region of Tigray on Friday [yesterday], and that hundreds of thousands of people in the area were on the brink of famine.”

      • Dennis L. says:

        Why do we not see evidence of food shortages? The “cheaper” the store, the heavier the customers seem to be.

        The level of obesity locally is disturbing, you pointed out its effect on complications with Covid.

        Basically talking through my hat, a first approximation to the famine during the 30 years war might be the destruction of agriculture secondary to fighting. Currently we seem to be very much at odds with ourselves.

        Dennis L.

        • as I’ve tried to point out to the self-suffiiciency brigade, its not the first harvest you have to worry about, so much as getting through to the second one, in a ‘collapse’ scenario

          • Kowalainen says:

            And getting through when there isn’t any due to misfortune such as crop failure.

            And then there is the usual accidents, injuries and birth complications.

            Hopium is such a powerful drug.

          • Dennis L. says:

            Thoughtful point.

            Dennis L.

          • nikoB says:

            sweet potato and yams for those that can grow them are the best. Though you need to move them each year to different areas to avoid pest build up in the soil. Same with potatoes if you are in a cold area.

          • Tim Groves says:

            From the history I’ve read, it is the second year of famine that really does all but the most well prepared in. We should always be prepared for seven thin cows to turn up, and on top of that we need to defend against the hungry hordes that didn’t or couldn’t prepare at all.

            The Swiss seem to be well tuned into this. Despite their often miserable weather, they should ride out the next famine better than most.

            • Xabier says:

              An Italian traveller in early 16th century Germany was very impressed by the huge grain stores kept by the cities – itself testimony to the threat of famine which haunted them.

              Go thou and do likewise is the moral!

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Covid hurls North Korean economy into worst slump since 1990s famine… Dictatorship suffers its biggest economic blow since 1997 amid concerns over health of Kim Jong-Un.”

      “North Korea began the summer in a food crisis. A heatwave and drought could make it worse…

      “The heat in North Korea is tied to an unusually intense zone of high pressure over the western Pacific. The “heat dome” …extends over northeast China, the Korean Peninsula and northern Japan, where numerous record temperatures were set Wednesday.”

    • Minority Of One says:

      41 million might seem like a lot but it is only about 0.5% of world population. Given all that is happening seems a bit low.

  35. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Peru’s new president has plunged it into instant political crisis…

    “Thursday night’s chaotic events appear to have put paid to that initiative. Castillo’s decision to name Free Peru [left wing] radicals to key posts outraged moderates and conservatives alike and set his administration on a collision course with the legislature.”

  36. Harry McGibbs says:

    “A hotbed of squalor and torture, Libya is closing its migrant detention centres.

    “Libya has been closing its migrant detention centres despite concerns in Europe about rising numbers of people attempting the treacherous journey across the Mediterranean.”

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Nearly 600 migrants reached the Italian island of Lampedusa from Tunisia in only two days…

      “The increase in departures has prompted fears of a repeat of 2011, when 25,000 Tunisians arrived in Italy during the Arab Spring uprising.”

    • The ultimate problem is too many people relative to resources.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        The problem is the equation and the incongruity of the variables. Neither variable is itself the problem, nor the one in relation to the other without the problem of the inverse relation. : )

        • Kowalainen says:

          On a negative note of a finite planet:

          Much energy – problems (waste, pollution, debauchery)
          Little energy – problems (misery, suffering, starvation)
          Few people – problems (stagnation, apathy, inbreeding)
          Much people – problems (herd crazies, social unrest, inequality)

          Pick your poison.

          Hope is for suckers.
          — Alan Watts


  37. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Is the world facing an inventory recession? …Do you have any idea how many containers of stuff are bobbing offshore from Shanghai to Rotterdam, baking in marshalling yards or collecting diesel smoke film in traffic jams?

    “Of course not. Nobody does. The inventory en route around the world defies the imagination, not to mention the antique information systems in the shipping business.

    “All of that fitfully tracked and delayed stuff, when it finally lands where it is supposed to, looks as though it will create a big enough pile to trigger a bad inventory recession, where demand for goods drops while accumulated stockpiles are run down. The supply chain practitioners I’ve been interviewing figure that the port backups, unavailable trucks, Covid-19 restrictions and unskilled warehouse staff will be more or less ironed out by Chinese new year.

    “That is on February 1 of next year. So now you have an educated guess about when the North American economy will take a dive. China seems to have already slowed.”

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “…we think supply chain problems are here to stay, making it difficult and expensive for firms to get hold of industrial inputs…”

      • According to the article:

        Shortages are rising across sectors, including rubber producers, plastics products, electrical equipment, motor vehicles, wood, and computers and electronics. And among rises in the prices of many inputs, industrial metals stand out with more than 70% increase relative to pre-pandemic levels.

        I think that we need to assume that gradually these shortages will move to other sectors as well. It may be harder to source the reagents needed to do COVID-19 tests, for example. It may be harder to make and ship the vaccines. Food supply may have more problems. Chemicals used to provide the potable water we drink may become less available.

    • “That is on February 1 of next year. So now you have an educated guess about when the North American economy will take a dive.”

      Actually, telling the American public that the vaccines don’t really work to stop the spread of the Delta variant is likely to push down the US economy, at least somewhat. Biden will try to offset that with ways to keep the debt forgiveness and support for unpaid/low paid workers going.

      • Yes, even (discredited) Sanders approached on his own volition to be interviewed by Saagar & Krystal few days ago. It ended somewhat in a disaster, he claiming (as senate budget committee) that stuff is still being carefully negotiated behind the scenes when answering why he (they) not yet delivered (well dropped) every promise of social reforms, especially during pandemics when the leverage is on their side. They (govs) will eventually have to come up with at least some new addhoc “infrastructure” stimulus for ~Q3+ but it will be watered down in terms of any lasting reform agenda..

  38. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Things were looking so much better on the pandemic front, and then came news that U.S. health officials were suddenly changing their advice…

    “This could be an ugly fall. A return to a normal economy has depended not just on things getting “back to normal,” but on doing so in a sane and healthy way…

    “There is the significant possibility that we could send the economy back into a tailspin. Anyone really interested in another bout of economic collapse?”

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Eviction crisis looms after Biden and Congress fail to extend Covid ban.

      “A nationwide US eviction moratorium was set to expire on Saturday night after Joe Biden and Democrats in Congress failed to align on a long-shot strategy to stop millions of Americans being forced from their homes during a Covid-19 surge.”

      • yes I read that Harry

        Mass evictions are going to make covid look like a minor headache

        to avoid revolution you need 3 things, a job, a home and a full stomach

        • Harry McGibbs says:

          This also seems pertinent, Norman:

          “…nearly half of Republican voters (47%) say that “a time will come when patriotic Americans have to take the law into their own hands,” per a new nationwide survey by George Washington University’s School of Media and Public Affairs.”

          • personally I think that will happen

            but republicans are nutters who look at it as a political problem. i.e. with the ‘right’ president all will be well. The last 4 years taught us that. The POTUS was as crazy as they are.
            Violence or the threat of it, is the answer to everything. (Lock her up?)

            Right now states are trying to alter voting patterns in GOP favour and disenfranchise ‘lesser people.’–ie people with the ‘wrong’ voting inclinations.

            they will ‘fight’ to restore the status quo to which they think they are entitled, which is a futile outlook. As economic conditions worsen, the fighting will become real.

            the politics of self interest.

            The USA will fight itself to a standstill over an issue that will evaporate even as they fight over it–ie the cohesion of the nation itself. The USA doesn’t have enough energy to hold itself together. Neither does the EU.

            You can maybe see why I’m dismissive of the covid thing, whichever way it pans out

            there are much bigger issues afoot.

            all I do is point them out, or try to.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Hey, Norman, Americans have always been a bit like that. They were still hanging witches when it went out of fashion in Europe. Get over it.

              As a double-jabbed-and-bloody-proud-of-it partisan, what do you think of this?

              “They Don’t Want to See People Like Us”
              In a Highwire exclusive, Del sits down with three healthcare workers who were on the frontline of Covid vaccine rollouts in America. In a candid and emotional interview, the three women go back to the day they received their vaccine, the severe reactions they endured starting just days after, and the complete denial the medical community has towards the groundswell of injured people looking for help.


        • Artleads says:

          Not sure where a job will get you when there are no jobs. But the need for shelter and food goes without question. As you often say, money (from a job?) is not the same as food. I’m working on shelter.

          • employment is only -‘real’- when it is a function of energy conversion from one form to another. But it is necessary to have surplus energy in the first place.

            this is why ‘job creation’ schemes ultimately don’t work long term. They are paid with ‘created’ wages.

            real jobs pay real wages, so you can buy real homes and put long lasting food in bellies.

            remove any one of those 3 props and you have a problem.

            check across the collapsing trouble spots in the world, and you’ll find one or more of those props missing.
            They might be held down by a dictatorship, but that is temporary.

            • Artleads says:

              Yes, you can’t just make work with no relationship to human nature and need, or to available resources. But you could either recognize or not a fit between human nature, available resources and need that could produce “jobs”–hate that word–or, perilously, fail to recognize a sustainable economic opportunity. This is where the human mind applies.

            • in the uk–as an example, you have towns that were founded and expanded on…say, coal, or pottery, or fish.

              products that are energy intensive.

              remove those basic energy sources and the town collapses

              yes–its possible to bring in ‘new industry’, but they are artificial—ie their basic energy resources has to be brought in and shipped out to ‘create employment, as opposed to the original energy resource which was just ‘there’

      • Harry McGibbs says:

        “More than 50% of Americans say an emergency fund is a higher financial priority post-pandemic…

        “”I think a lot of people were put in a very tough financial position, to put it nicely,” said Michelle Brownstein, a certified financial planner and senior vice president of Personal Capital’s private client group.”

      • Biden needs some other solution. We will see if he has a magic wand.

  39. Alex says: [excerpts]

    Today, when we discussed how US consumers have already burned through almost all of their savings from Biden’s fiscal firehose just as the next burst of inflation is about to come and unleash a stagflationary recession or worse, we said that “there is just one event that could short circuit what appears to be a near-certain recession heading into 2022 and mid-term elections which would be devastating for Democrats faced with an imploding economy: another multi-trillion stimulus, just enough to kick the can by another 4-6 months. But for that to happen, the US economy needs to be shut down again which will only happen only once there is enough covid Delta-variant fearmongering. Which should also explain everything that’s happening right now.”

    Well, guess what: after the CDC’s legendary flipflop which has steamrolled the credibility of “science”, and concurrent narrative whiplash it has made even the head of ultra-left liberals spin, today the president […] laid out the Delta endgame when he said that the US will, “in all probability,” see more guidelines and restrictions amid rising coronavirus cases…

    • Perhaps an underlying issue is inadequate energy supply. The restrictions will come largely so that the supply chain problems mentioned elsewhere will not become so apparent.

  40. Alex says:

    Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of an internet forum [excerpts]

    Technique #1 – ‘FORUM SLIDING’
    If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum – it can be quickly removed from public view by ‘forum sliding.’ In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to ‘age.’ Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a ‘forum slide.’ The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a ‘forum slide’ and ‘flush’ the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then ‘replying’ to prepositioned postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting ‘slides’ down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

    Technique #2 – ‘CONSENSUS CRACKING’
    A second highly effective technique is ‘consensus cracking.’ To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made – but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger ‘evidence’ or disinformation in your favour is slowly ‘seeded in.’ Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then ‘abort’ the consensus cracking by initiating a ‘forum slide.’

    Technique #3 – ‘TOPIC DILUTION’
    Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a ‘RESOURCE BURN.’ By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a ‘gossip mode.’ In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to ‘drive in the wedge.’ By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

    Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled.

  41. Fast Eddy says:

    sophie is again getting a bit miffed with Fast Eddy … she seems unable to accept that the Injection is Lethal… even though Bossche Malone Montagnier have all said it is … and the evidence is piling up … she’s even pulling a Wolf Richter and not allowing some of my very calm reasoned responses…

    How ironic given what Off Guardian is meant to be a bastion of logic and free speech …

    I think secretly sophie would like to get into Fast Eddy’s back seat… but Fast Eddy already has a mistress (Ardern)… so she’s launched a Jihad/Vendetta…

    Either that or she knows FE is right and is terrified of death…

    • Rodster says:

      From reading her replies to you and others, i’m trying to figure out what you two are in a disagreement over? She thinks the PCR test are BS, and the Covid hysteria are all manufactured.

      • Student says:

        If I have understood well, Sophie is denying Covid as real virus and F.E. is not doing so.
        I think that people who deny Covid as a virus are not making a good service to the purpose of solving this terrible nightmare.
        PCR tests can be partially fake or better are not reliable tests, but that doesn’t mean Covid is not real.
        If you look at all the scientific researches that biologists, doctors and scientists in general are doing with their publications, it is easy to understand that there is a great effort at the moment by the scientific community in order to fight Covid in the best way.
        A person with good reasoning can understand that the ways governments and Organizations are trying to fight the situation can be fake and misleading and that also medical treatments can be wrongly banned, but it cannot be fake all the works all these scientists are doing with their scientific publications all over the world.

        • Kowalainen says:

          Don’t confuse authentic science (and scientists) and the way it can be used in narrative peddling.

          I mean, we are running out of finite resources. Obviously something has to be done, right? And the covid debacles and spin indicates that it is clearly heading the wrong path.

        • Bei Dawei says:

          It’s like Plato vs, Aristotle…

      • The preponderance of evidence so far clearly points out that the scenario at play is mostly about liability for the legacy debt system and newly reshaped distro of energy chips for the mid term future, i.e. pushing crash sequence via vaxychaos into GReset agenda to achieve overall lower surplus framework existence, perhaps with adding some tactical spice on the top of partial depop = also serving in mid-long term energy/resource demand delete. The scale is debatable, for some ~25% delete per few decades is the pandemonium, others would argue ~40-75% threshold is where any real depop framework starts to happen.

        Hence it can not be about truly large scale immediate depop (beyond chaotic). Because control freaks like their adjustable controlling rods in the system to monkey with and there aren’t any in it.

        Yes, an additional outlier scenario could be sort of “kicking the game table” at any cost (spoiling the game for everybody else) as the perennial parasite faction occupying most of the western govs for past few centuries senses it can’t infect the upcoming Asians+ ..

        Place your bets, tweak-update the above scenarios on available clues and data..

      • Fast Eddy says:

        She rejects the CEP… and Malone Bossche are pointing towards the emergence of Devil Covid… which supports the CEP… therefore she rejects the assertions of both men…

        She also does not care for Fast Eddy’s suggestion that humans have done tremendous damage to the planet as well as engaged in torture and other heinous behaviour… and therefore extinction is a huge positive. It solves pretty much everything.

        I may ask Sophie if she’d like to put on her Sexiest Outfit and do a zoom call striptease … however I fear she may be welll past her use by date and that might make for an awkward moment….

  42. Yoshua says:

    This is the government paper on the SARS study.

    They knew that the vaccines could cause Sars-Cov-2 to mutate into a highly infectious and lethal variant. They can see it happening live right now…and continue to push for higher vaccination levels and boosters. This is the CEP?

    • This is a 2007 study of the predecessor to SARS-Cov-2.

      From the paper:

      Author Summary
      Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is a severe, sometimes fatal respiratory disease caused by a coronavirus (SARS-CoV). In order to study the disease and evaluate vaccines and antiviral drugs, animal models that mimic the disease are necessary. However, no single animal model for SARS reproduces all aspects of the disease as it affects humans. SARS-CoV replicates in the lungs of young mice, but they do not show signs of illness. Adaptation of SARS-CoV by serial passage in the lungs of mice resulted in a virus (MA15) that is lethal for young mice following intranasal inoculation. Lethality is preceded by rapid and high titer viral replication in lungs, viremia, and dissemination of virus to extrapulmonary sites accompanied by hematological changes and pathological changes in the lungs. Mice infected with MA15 virus die from an overwhelming viral infection with extensive, virally mediated destruction of pneumocytes, and ciliated epithelial cells. The MA15 virus has six coding mutations in its genome, which, when introduced into a recombinant SARS-CoV, confer lethality. The MA15 virus will enhance the use of the mouse model for SARS because infection with this virus in mice reproduces many aspects of severe human disease, including morbidity, mortality, and pulmonary pathology.

      • Lastcall says:

        ‘Adaptation of SARS-CoV by serial passage in the lungs of mice resulted in a virus (MA15) that is lethal for young mice following intranasal inoculation.’ from Gail

        ‘Serial passage refers to the process of growing bacteria or a virus in iterations’ Wiki

        The below is from an August 2020 paper. It mentions no see’m technology.

        ‘The process of sequential passage through animal hosts or cell cultures leaves a genome that appears natural and not purposefully manipulated since it effectively mimics the natural process of zoonosis, and leaves a genome that appears to be the result of natural selection so long as its relationship to related strains of virus is ignored. However, the artificial generations added by forced serial passage creates the artificial appearance of evolutionary distance, which was the characteristic of the H1N1 Swine Flu Soviet leak in the 1970s that lead researchers to conclude it had been constructed in a lab, and is exactly what is found with SARS‐CoV‐2, which is distant enough from any other virus that it has been placed in its own clade.’

        In addition to the possibility of obtaining a furin cleavage site through natural recombination in a secondary host or through serial passage either in a laboratory or on a commercial farm, one could have been spliced directly into the novel coronavirus’s backbone in a laboratory using classic recombinant DNA technology that has been available for nearly 20 years. This allows for the removal of the restriction site junctions that are the telltale sign of direct genetic manipulation and permits reassembly without introducing nucleotide changes—creating a virus without any evidence of manipulation using the aptly named “No See’m technology.

        The injection has just been gaining traction around here. Several previously very healthy people have become very ill, one compromised person in A&E, one person dead; amongst my rather small circle of acquaintences.

  43. Tim Groves says:

    EBDXFR Houx from Ireland writes in the comments to Dr. John Campbell’s latest YouTube videos:

    “Got a call from the HSE today asking me to donate, in O negative, very rare blood group, I told them that I’m not vaccinated and they told me that was exactly what they were looking for, I respectfully declined as I’m currently a second class citizen in Ireland and as such I’ll keep my mud blood to myself this year.”

    This is an important point, why would the Irish Vaccination Service be asking people with blood group O negative to donate blood.

    There could be several reasons. Perhaps O negatives are more intelligent and sensitive than the rest of the population, so they get more exasperated by the donation system than other folks are. Remember when blood donation used to be easy and fun, and you got a cup of tea and biscuits afterwards and got to talk with your fellow donors? Nowadays, at least in Ireland, they have made it into the same obstacle course that they’ve made overseas travel and they are trying to make almost everything else.

    If you visit the IBTS site, the following list of dos and don’ts pops up. (Really, who wants to go through all this in order to make a blood donation?):

    COVID-19 measures taken by IBTS to protect donors and staff:
    Appointments for clinics

    • All clinics are now appointment based – to book an appointment call 1850 731 137. Donors must arrive on time as this regulates social distancing on clinic.

    Some donors will be asked to travel to a centralised venue in their wider local area.

    Some additional donation restrictions

    • With Met Eireann’s high temperature alert this week, it is essential to make sure you are well hydrated and drink plenty of fluids before donating blood.

    Donors over 70/plus must be fully vaccinated, have a GP letter stating fitness to donate (this needs to be renewed annually) have donated within the last 2 years and are otherwise eligible.

    If you have/had any symptoms of Covid-19, you must be fully recovered for 28 days before you can donate.

    You must wait 14 days from the last time you were in contact with a person with confirmed or suspected Covid-19 infection, or if you have travelled outside the island of Ireland.

    • Health Care workers can donate so long as they have had no known contact with Covid-19 cases in the last 14 days.

    First Time Donors are welcome in limited numbers and must also make an appointment.

    Donors who have had a HPRA approved Covid-19 vaccination such as the Pfizer / BioNTech, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson/Janssen or Astra Zeneca vaccines, must wait 7 days after receiving the vaccine before they can donate, so long as they are feeling well and asymptomatic.

    Clinic safety

    • Hand gel is provided and all donors must use it.

    • Social distancing is in place on clinic.

    • All relevant surfaces in our clinics are cleaned frequently with approved disinfectant.

    • Only donors will be able to access the donation area.

    • Medical-grade (surgical) face masks are mandatory – Donors must wear medical -grade face masks on clinic with the exception of pre and post donation hydration. Other face coverings, such as visors and snoods, will not be accepted, this is in the interest of public health. This is a safety measure to protect donors and staff from Covid-19. Medical-grade masks are more effective in preventing the transmission of coronavirus. This is important as the newer variants of coronavirus are more infectious. A mask will be offered to all donors who are wearing a face covering when they attend clinic. Hand sanitisers are available in clinic to use before and after mask removal/replacement. IBTS staff will be wearing masks throughout the process.

    • IBTS staff will be wearing appropriate PPE throughout the process.

    • Bei Dawei says:

      The most likely reason they would want an O-negative blood donor is because they had an emergency patient with Rh-negative blood. Hope they found a more public-spirited one…

      • Tim Groves says:

        It’s possible.We O-negatives are a very rare and precious breed. We can only safely accept O-negative blood. On the other hand, our noble blood can be accepted by everybody, including all the lesser breeds. Plus, we are in a small minority—only eight percent of the population in Ireland; we could easily be subject to persecution.

        But the real issue, is why did the Blood Service say that “not vaccinated was exactly what they were looking for”?

        In non-vaccinated blood now the equivalent of non-pasteurized milk or unsalted butter? Is it equivalent to Roundup-free soybeans or non-GMO corn? Is it set to become the extra-virgin olive oil of the blood donation industry?

        • Xabier says:

          Extra virgin, first-press, organic, single estate limited issue, I’d say.

          Wonderful, it makes me feel so precious, my darlings!

  44. Yoshua says:

    The mutated virus became 100% lethal for young mice.

    Our children were mainly asymptomatic in the first wave. With the Delta variant children have started to become sick and even die. The next mutation of the virus could potentially become lethal for our children.

    That’s a horror show I don’t want to see.

  45. hillcountry says:

    Scanning Dr Pierre Kory’s tweets on the IVERMECTIN battles.

    One has to wonder if IVERMECTIN was a back-up plan all along if things got out of hand. Joe Rogan, Bret Weinstein, Wall Street Journal, and dozens of other influencer are swarming like nano-bot drones in a Michael Crighton novel. Did somebody punch the “GO” button or what?

    Fast Eddy – perhaps a couple of them Elders took sick?

    • Kowalainen says:

      Only idiots go without a Plan B -> Plan Z.

    • Similarly, Rogan’s online clips about Dr. Fausti running wild in the Wu – land are not censored, that’s viewership in millions, following that televised grilling by senators Paul and Cruz threatening jail time.. So, perhaps that very “defensive line” has been breached already, but so what, the plan continuous aka big boulder momentum rolls downhill..

      In other words, limited hangout and culpability, this can’t be investigated further, the Chinese won’t cooperate at all (bought WHO board from the beginning as front running global PR disaster and liability already), and those US people transferring the lab technology / grant research to them are just few individuals, again this is leading nowhere.. was it a clever honey trap (betting on Chinese limitless hunger to match all W – technology at any cost) or just honest error playing with very dangerous toyz.. This is all leading exactly nowhere by this point concerning all the top players.. and it starts to rhyme with any previous scandals of this magnitude, which just tend to fizzle out at certain threshold.

      • Kowalainen says:

        I’m thinking the western “bloodlines” and MIC got the CCP under tight control. As for the western guvmints; they don’t know inside from out and all degrees of freedom that is allowed for the proletariat and nomenklatura is rather limited, as in; don’t rock the boat while scratch our dimwit trying to figure out how to manage this FF overexposed lemon of a civilization.

        I mean; just have a look at the average Joe Schmuck and his “elected” politico. Seriously; would you hand over the keys to the empire? Need more evidence, see below:

        Joe Biden, with family and et al…

        The worlds “mightiest” meme. 🤣👍
        Nuff said.

        Covid is just a minor inconvenience and opportunity to try out some new shenanigans to keep BAU chugging along while triaging noncore countries left, right and center.


        • Yes, I was not keen on writing whole treaties on it..
          Acting nodes on the level of Dr. Fausti are just expendable material for the WEFers in the final analysis, and these semi visible organizations are again several degrees of separation need to know basis away from the real owners of the system anyway.. Obviously, the same in politics.

          I guess you are correct on your point from the other thread about not getting it in the first place or at least proactively lessen the potential impact. There is a reason some people even if they had to mingle w. proles seldom get these diseases, thanks for these additional tips.

          Btw. perhaps I’m imagining things wildly, but in the same vein was recently appalled by looking at some world leaders (of the less incorporated kind) – being reasonably fit yet they seamed to be sweating like pigs – but on further inquiry it looked more like some lotion – potion on the skin instead, perhaps there is some high tech stuff they are using in potentially adversarial places and their lab people later take later samples from this “skin biofilm shield” as to whether there was an attempt to pin some germs of their boss or not..

  46. Kowalainen says:

    No dope needed for aspies/autists. The brain hallucinates of its own.

    What they get it wrong is that the brain hallucinates all the time. For the aspies and autists it just hallucinates a bit out of phase and differently. I think of it as a resonance between the two hemispheres. Forging a representation of reality likely is going to yield some rather odd effects if stuff is running slightly out of alignment and manifest as processing artifacts.

    • Xabier says:

      An hallucination, my kingdom for an hallucination!

      • Kowalainen says:

        If you’re a normie, there’s some chemicals for that. The interwebz seem quite excited about that stuff right now. I’d probably just critique she shit out of any hallucinations as my brain going out of synch more than the usual weird stuff that pops in and out of conscious experience.

        I’m already a bit out of alignment by default as the usual aspie-esque engineer/programmer schmuck. It seems to be a tool of the trade, so to speak.

  47. Yoshua says:

    Mice that were infected with SARS didn’t show any symptoms. When the mice were inoculated with a vaccine, the virus mutated into a lethal variant. The lethality was preceded by high viral loads… which is exactly where we are now with the Delta variant?×900

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