COVID-19 Vaccines Don’t Really Work as Hoped

Last week, the CDC announced a surprising finding: “Delta infection resulted in similarly high SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated people.” Public officials had known from the early days of vaccine development that vaccinated people could catch COVID-19, but the assumption had been made that they were not going to be spreaders of COVID-19.

It turns out that the delta variant is sufficiently different from the original Wuhan version of the virus that the vaccines work much less well. The CDC performed an analysis of COVID-19 cases arising from one public gathering in Massachusetts. They found that the gathering led to 469 COVID-19 Delta cases among Massachusetts residents, with 74% of these cases in fully vaccinated attendees. Massachusetts is a highly vaccinated state, with approximately 64% of the population fully vaccinated.

There are other issues coming up as well. How long does the vaccine really last? Is the vaccine itself part of the reason that the virus is mutating as rapidly as it is? Are we making problems for ourselves by creating an army of people with very light cases of COVID-19 who can spread the virus to both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated without realizing that they have more than a cold? Aren’t we inadvertently killing off the least able of the virus mutations and allowing the most virulent to multiply?

My training is as an actuary, so I am familiar with modeling. I am also a “systems thinker.” I know that it is important to look at longer term impacts as well as short-term impacts. If a person works in the healthcare field, it is easy to consider only the obvious short-term benefits. It takes some analysis to figure out that today’s vaccines may lead to stronger variants (such as Delta) and more overall spread of COVID-19.

In this post, I will explain some of the issues involved.

[1] Today’s vaccines provide only a fraction of the true level of protection required. Their actions are in many ways similar to applying weed killer at half the strength needed to kill the weeds or providing antibiotics at half the dose required to stop the spread of bacteria.

All of our lives, we have been told, “Be sure to complete the full course of the antibiotics. It is necessary to kill all of the bacteria. Otherwise, it will be easier for a few of the stronger bacteria not to be affected. If you stop too early, the bacteria that are least affected by the antibiotic will survive and reproduce, while the others will die. Stopping the drug too soon is a great way to achieve antibiotic resistance, quickly.”

Unfortunately, COVID-19 vaccine makers seem to have overlooked this issue. The respected BMJ published an editorial entitled, Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us. It makes the point:

Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, said, “Ideally, you want an antiviral vaccine to do two things . . . first, reduce the likelihood you will get severely ill and go to the hospital, and two, prevent infection and therefore interrupt disease transmission.”

Yet the current phase III trials are not actually set up to prove either.

We were told that the new COVID-19 vaccines are “95% effective in preventing symptomatic disease,” but it turns out that this is far less adequate than what most people would assume. The vaccine is “leaky.” A big issue is that the virus mutates, and the vaccine works much less well against the mutations. The world can never reach herd immunity if immunized people keep catching new variants of COVID-19 and keep passing them on, as the evidence now suggests.

[2] In a way, getting sick from a virus is helpful. It tells us to stay at home, away from others. It is the fact that humans experience symptoms from viruses that tends to limit their spread.

If a virus has severe symptoms, those infected with the virus will not feel well enough to continue their usual activities. They will tend to stay at home.

If the symptoms are mild, as is the case with the common cold, people will likely go about their activities as usual. This is especially the case if people need to work to feed their families. Thus, viruses with mild symptoms often spread easily.

But, if citizens feel that they are protected by a vaccine, they will likely continue to go about their activities as usual. Most of them will not realize that they might be spreaders of Delta, and perhaps other new COVID-19 variants. Symptoms are likely to be mild or non-existent.

[3] It is becoming clear that people immunized with today’s vaccines can both catch the delta variant and spread it to others.

As I mentioned above, the CDC concluded from looking at its analysis of 469 delta cases that the infection resulted in similarly high SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals.

We have independent corroboration of the ability of vaccinated individuals to spread delta COVID-19 in a new analysis from Singapore. This article reports, “PCR cycle threshold (Ct) values were similar between both vaccinated and unvaccinated groups at diagnosis.” This is precisely the information that the CDC was relying on in Massachusetts when they reported that there were similarly high SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated people. While this analysis has not yet been peer reviewed, it reaches precisely the same conclusion with respect to early viral load as the Massachusetts analysis.

The data from this same Singapore study indicates that there are about 3 times as many asymptomatic cases in the vaccinated (28.2%) as the unvaccinated (9.2%). The median number of symptoms reported by the vaccinated was 1, compared to 2 in the unvaccinated. Among the vaccinated, the most frequent symptoms were fever (40.9%), runny nose (38%) and cough (38%). One of these symptoms, especially if it occurred only briefly, could easily be overlooked as a sign of COVID-19.

[4] With nearly all of the current vaccines, the immune system is trained to look for the spike protein from the original Wuhan virus. This narrow focus makes it relatively easy for the virus to mutate in ways that outsmart the vaccine.

A “History of Vaccines” website indicates that there are several ways vaccines are being made, including weakened (“attenuated”) viruses, killed viruses, and segments of the pathogen. In the new COVID-19 vaccines, a particularly limited part of the virus is used, the spike protein. In fact, in the newer vaccines, only an mRNA code is injected, and the body is instructed to make the spike protein itself.

Using a very narrow target has made it easier for viruses to evade the effects of the vaccine. Delta is one variant of the original virus from Wuhan that is evading vaccines through its mutations. Another such variant is Lambda, which caused serious problems in Chile in the spring of 2021, despite vaccine usage as high as 60%. The virus underlying all of these variants is called SARS-CoV-2, reflecting the fact that this virus is closely related to the virus which caused the 2003 SARS epidemic.

Since vaccination began about December 15, 2020, we have so far encountered two variants that are poorly controlled by vaccines. This is not a promising sign for the long-term success of COVID-19 vaccines. As more time goes on, we can expect more such variants. These variants do not necessarily stay around for more than a few months, making it difficult to create and distribute new specially targeted vaccines.

[5] Given the likelihood of mutations away from the narrow target, it seems strange that the governments have set very high expectations for the new vaccines.

It seems to me that Pfizer and Moderna should have said, “We are producing new vaccines that will somewhat lessen symptoms. In a way, they will be like the annual influenza vaccines that various companies make each year. We will need to update the vaccines regularly, but we will likely miss. Hopefully, our guess regarding what will work will be ‘close enough,’ so the vaccine will provide some partial benefit for the upcoming variations.”

Such a statement would have provided a more realistic set of expectations, compared to what many people have been assuming. No one would expect that herd immunity would ever be reached. The vaccines would be perceived as fairly weak tools that need to be used alongside medications, if they are to be used at all.

[6] Leaky vaccines, if widely used, can encourage the virus to mutate toward more virulent (severe) forms. Ultimately, the problem becomes viruses that mutate to more virulent forms faster than the vaccine system can keep up.

If, as we are seeing today, vaccinated people can catch the variant and pass it on to both vaccinated and unvaccinated people, this extra boost can help the variant tremendously in its ability to spread. This extra boost is especially helpful for the variants that are very virulent, since in the normal situation, people who catch a virulent variant would recognize that they are sick and stay at home.

There would normally be a limit on how much the variant could spread based on its impact on the unvaccinated. This limit goes away if both the vaccinated and unvaccinated can catch and spread the illness. Without a vaccine, the variants might be either more or less virulent, with the more virulent tending to die out because the people who get them either die or stay at home because they are very ill. I would expect that this is the reason why quite a few viruses tend to become less severe (virulent) over time, when leaky vaccines are not available to artificially boost their virulence.

The article, Vaccines are Pushing Pathogens to Evolve, gives the example of how the vaccines for Marek’s disease in chickens have been failing, as the disease gradually evolves to become more virulent under pressure from the vaccines being used to keep this illness away. The first vaccine was introduced in 1970. A decade later, outbreaks of Marek’s disease began to be found in vaccinated flocks. A second vaccine was licensed in 1983, but it too began to fail. When the article was written in 2018 the industry was on its third vaccine, but it too was beginning to fail, as the disease became more deadly. But there was no new vaccine yet available.

A 2015 article in PLOS Biology is entitled, Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens. A person would think everyone involved in vaccine technology would be very much aware of this issue.

The chase after new vaccines is precisely the problem we can expect to have with the vaccines for COVID-19. Only, our problem with the vaccine not really working correctly is coming after a few months, not 10 years. Trying to keep up with new vaccines for a virus that evolves away from us, this quickly, is likely to be an impossible task. It is not just the unvaccinated who have a problem; it is everyone, as the vaccines quickly lose their effectiveness.

[7] Another potential problem with COVID-19 vaccines is Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE). When this occurs, it worsens later infections by different variants.

ADE is a rather strange condition in which the antibodies against one variant gained from a first infection (or immunization) act to make some later infections by a different variant worse, rather than better. Dengue Fever is an example of an illness for which this is an issue.

Dr. Robert Malone thinks that ADE may be happening now for COVID-19. He sees the high virus levels in immunized individuals as evidence of possible ADE.

The large number of immunized patients in the hospital with COVID-19 in Israel (which has mostly Delta cases) is also given as possible evidence:

Figure 1. Image from Israel’s official COVID-19 website, showing new hospitalizations and new severe patients separately for fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated, and unvaccinated individuals.

The illness SARS is closely related to COVID-19. There is evidence that vaccinations against SARS tend to produce ADE. In fact, the National Institute of Health provided funding for a 2020 academic paper that reaches the following conclusion:

The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standards for informed consent.

[8] Another problem with the current vaccines against COVID-19 is that immunity may not last very long.

The virus that causes COVID-19 is a coronavirus. The common cold is another illness caused by a coronavirus. We know the immunity of the common cold doesn’t last very long, perhaps a year. While we don’t have long-term experience with COVID-19 vaccine immunity, we shouldn’t be surprised if its immunity begins to wane within a few months, or in a year or two.

Israel, after analyzing its recent COVID-19 experience (almost all with the Delta variant), is now offering anyone over 60 who was vaccinated more than 5 months ago a booster shot. Third doses are also being given to those with weakened immune systems.

It should be noted that if immunity doesn’t last very long, any strategy of “flattening the curve” by stretching out COVID-19 cases becomes counterproductive because it runs the risk of moving the timeframe of the next cycle beyond the time when natural (and vaccine-induced) immunity is still operative.

[9] The public has been led to believe that vaccines are the only solution to COVID-19 when, in fact, they are at best a very poor and temporary band-aid.

Vaccines are a tempting solution because the benefits have been oversold and no one has explained how poorly today’s leaky vaccines really work.

We are already past the period when these vaccines were well matched with the viruses they were aimed at. Now we are in a situation in which the viruses are constantly mutating, and the vaccines need to be updated. The catch is that the variants stick around for such a short time period that by the time the vaccine is updated, there is likely to be yet another new variant that the new vaccine does not really match up with well.

Requirements that employees be vaccinated against COVID-19 cannot be expected to provide much benefit to employers because workers will still be out sick with COVID-19. This happens because they are likely to catch a variant such as Delta, which does not line up with the original vaccine. Perhaps they will be out for a shorter period, and their hospital bills will be lower. These types of benefits are what people have expected of influenza vaccines. There is no reason for them to expect more of the new COVID-19 vaccines.

Even with 100% vaccination herd immunity can never be reached because the vaccine encourages the virus to mutate into more virulent forms. Each new variant stays around for only a few months, making it hard for vaccine makers to keep up with the changing nature of the problem. Vaccine makers can expect to face a constant battle in having to run to stay even. Someone will have to convince citizens that each new vaccine makes sense, even though injuries reported to the US Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System seem to be much more frequent than those reported for vaccines for other diseases.

An erroneous, one-sided story is being told to the general public, in part because the pharmaceutical lobby is incredibly powerful. It has the support of influential people, such as Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates. The pharmaceutical industry can make billions of dollars in income from the sale of vaccines, with little in the way of sales expenses. The industry has managed to convince people that it is OK to sell these vaccines, even though injury rates are very high compared to those for vaccines in general.

Vaccines are being pushed in large part because the pharmaceutical industry needs a money maker. It also wants to be seen as having cutting-edge technology, so young people will be attracted to the field. It cannot admit to anyone that technologies from decades ago would perhaps work better to solve the COVID-19 problem.

[10] The pharmaceutical industry has been telling the world that inexpensive drugs can’t fix our problem. However, there are several low-cost drugs that appear helpful.

One drug that is being overlooked is ivermectin, which was discovered in the late 1970s. It was originally introduced as a veterinary drug to cure parasitic infections in animals. In the U. S., ivermectin has been used since 1987 for eliminating parasites such as ringworm in humans. Ivermectin seems to cure COVID-19 in humans, but it needs a higher dosage than has been previously approved. Also, it would not be a money maker for the pharmaceutical industry.

The possible use of ivermectin to cure COVID-19 seems to have been intentionally hidden. At approximately 32:45 in this linked video, Dr. David Martin explains how Moderna announced ivermectin’s utility in treating SARS (which is closely related to SARS-CoV-2) in its 2016-2018 patent modification related to the SARS virus. It sounds as though Moderna (and others) have participated both in developing harmful viruses and in developing vaccines to cure very closely related viruses. They then work to prevent the sale of cheap drugs that might reduce their sales of vaccines. This seems unconscionable.

Vitamin D, in high enough doses, taken well before exposure to the virus that causes COVID-19, seems to lead to reduced severity of the disease, and may eliminate some cases completely.

Various steroid drugs are often used in the later stages of COVID-19, when conditions warrant it. The medical community seems to have no difficulty with these.

Monoclonal antibodies are also used in the treatment of COVID-19, but they are much more expensive.

[11] Conclusion. Governments, businesses, and citizens need to understand that today’s vaccines are not really solutions to our COVID-19 problem. At the same time, they need better solutions.

Current vaccines have been badly oversold. They can be expected to make the mutation problem worse, and they don’t stop the spread of variants. Instead, we need to start quickly to make ivermectin and other inexpensive drugs available through healthcare systems. People do need some sort of solution to the problem of COVID-19 illnesses; it just turns out that the current vaccines work so poorly that they probably should not be part of the solution.

The whole idea of vaccine passports is absurd. Even with the vaccine, people will catch the new COVID-19 variants, and they will pass them on to others. Perhaps they may get lighter symptoms, so that they will be off work for a shorter length of time, but there still will be disruption. If those who catch COVID-19 can instead take ivermectin at a high enough dose at the first sign of illness, many (or most) of them can get well in a few days and avoid hospitalization completely. Other medications may be helpful as well.

I am skeptical that masks can do any good with the high level of transmission of Delta. But at least masks aren’t very harmful. We probably need to go along with what is requested by officials.

It is becoming clear that today’s pharmaceutical industry is far too powerful. Investigations need to be made into the large number of allegations against it and its leaders. Why did members of the pharmaceutical industry find it necessary to patent viruses, and then later sell vaccines for a virus closely related to the viruses it had patented?

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,978 Responses to COVID-19 Vaccines Don’t Really Work as Hoped

  1. Fast Eddy says:

    Challenging UN, Study Finds Sun—not CO2—May Be Behind Global Warming

    The sun and not human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) may be the main cause of warmer temperatures in recent decades, according to a new study with findings that sharply contradict the conclusions of the United Nations (UN) Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/08/16/climate-scientists-accuse-the-ipcc-of-cherrypicking-datasets-which-support-their-alarmist-narrative/

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/challenging-un-study-finds-sun-not-co2-may-be-behind-global-warming_3950089.html

    • Herbie Ficklestein says:

      Dear Ed,
      Willard Watts of Whatsupwiththat is a TV Weather personality and self proclaimed skeptic.
      The Sun being the cause is, of course, correct…we acquired our heat from the SUN!
      Now comes the deep part….the atmosphere is made up of a composite of different gasses, some of which, trap the heat. Without those the Earth would be an ice ball.
      Since the Industrial age, these heat trapping gasses have been increased in the atmosphere, this amplifying the heat from the sun.
      I can not make it any simpler than that….

      • Tim Groves says:

        You have not made it simpler, Herbie; you have made it simplistic, and worse than that, you have made it wrong. You haven’t demonstrated that you know anything about atmospheric science apart from what you’ve been told. All you have demonstrated is that you haven’t been told the correct relevant facts.

        I am assuming you didn’t work all this stuff about heat trapping gases amplifying the heat from the sun and the earth being an ice ball without them all on your own. You simply opened your mouth and received it like a baby bird receives whatever its parents regurgitate and a practicing Catholic receives the Eucharist-right?

        You don’t actually have anything to say about the hypotheses presented in those two links that Fast Eddy put up. You simply dismiss them with the aid of an ad hominem and a non sequitur. I have removed people from my Christmas card list for less.

        I’m disappoint in you, but at the same time I’m reassured. The more that CC/GW believers avoid debating the scientific hypotheses presented to them and instead respond with logical fallacies and cheap put downs, the more confident the rest of us can be that they have nothing coherent to bring to the debate.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          And to think … Herbie had applied for membership in The Core…. and now he’s blown it.

          You only get one chance…. and now it’s eternal pig slop for Herbie and burned out 50 year old crack addicted wh ores…. while The Core enjoys Champagne and Caviar in the VIP room of OFW…

          Say hi to norm dunc ___________ for us Herbie.

    • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

      Emissions of carbon dioxide, methane and other greenhouse gases from human activities trap heat in the atmosphere, meaning the planet absorbs infrared radiation that would normally be released into space. Melting sea ice, changing cloud cover and differences in the concentration of tiny atmospheric particles called aerosols — all of which are affected by climate change — also mean Earth is reflecting less of the sun’s radiation back into the cosmos.

      “There isn’t this equilibrium between energy coming in from the sun and energy going out,” Raghuraman said. “The question is: Are these natural planetary variations, or is it us?”

      The researchers used satellite observations from 2001 to 2020 to determine that Earth’s energy imbalance is growing. They then used a series of climate models to simulate the effects on Earth’s energy system if human-caused climate change was taken out of the equation.

      The scientists found that natural fluctuations alone could not explain the trend observed over the 20-year period.

      “It was almost impossible — a less than 1 percent probability — that such a large increase in the imbalance was from Earth’s own oscillations and variations,” Raghuraman said
      Emissions of carbon dioxide, methane and other greenhouse gases from human activities trap heat in the atmosphere, meaning the planet absorbs infrared radiation that would normally be released into space. Melting sea ice, changing cloud cover and differences in the concentration of tiny atmospheric particles called aerosols — all of which are affected by climate change — also mean Earth is reflecting less of the sun’s radiation back into the cosmos.

      “There isn’t this equilibrium between energy coming in from the sun and energy going out,” Raghuraman said. “The question is: Are these natural planetary variations, or is it us?”

      The researchers used satellite observations from 2001 to 2020 to determine that Earth’s energy imbalance is growing. They then used a series of climate models to simulate the effects on Earth’s energy system if human-caused climate change was taken out of the equation.

      The scientists found that natural fluctuations alone could not explain the trend observed over the 20-year period.

      “It was almost impossible — a less than 1 percent probability — that such a large increase in the imbalance was from Earth’s own oscillations and variations,” Raghuraman said

      https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/earths-energy-imbalance-removes-almost-doubt-human-made-climate-change-rcna1562

      So sorry, need to provide a study for your reading

      • This is all a “my model says” analysis. I am sure another model will say something else. This is a link to the academic article.
        https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-24544-4

        Furthermore, even if climate change is human made, what does this possibly say? Does it say we should go around killing other humans, to get the population down? As a practical matter, there is no solution. If humans are on the edge of losing the fossil fuels and modern agriculture that have contributed to this warming, what possibly more could be done? The whole discussion is really a cover-up for the energy shortage we are facing now, and the fact that we will have a terrible time trying to maintain anything close to the world’s current population.

        Please stop posting these article links, as if they meant something.

        • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

          Gail, I’m just responding to article links and perhaps I should suggest reading Dr. Peter Wards “Under a Green Sky”,
          You have referred to his other book here on occasions Rare Earth.
          We should include Peak Oil, Population, ect as if they meant something…as you frequently point out …it’s out of our control
          .
          Hope Ed and Tim are reading

          • I did get the book. Now I need time to read it.

          • Tim Groves says:

            I’m reading. I have a couple of meters of shelf space devoted to books on the atmosphere, the weather, climatology, and geophysical history—some of them arguing that I should be alarmed and others arguing that I should not be. It’s a fascinating field.

            I hadn’t heard of Under a Green Sky, but thanks for the recommendation. I’ll check it out.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Nothing is out of control… the kllimate has always changed… there have always been droughts … and rain … and heat… and cold….

            But that will not of course change your mind …

            Guess what — a real solution to your fake problem is at hand

            Extinction 🙂

            Be careful what you wish for hahahahahaha

        • Fast Eddy says:

          As Herbie slinkers away from his computer… curls up on a ball in the corner of the room … and sucks his thumb… because his meaning in life has been denied….

          Don’t worry Herbie – your problem will soon be solved… the offending organisms … are being exterminated….

  2. Fast Eddy says:

    The US ‘loss’ of Afghanistan is a repositioning and the new mission is not a ‘war on terror,’ but Russia and China

    https://asiatimes.com/2021/08/the-islamic-emirate-of-afghanistan-back-with-a-bang/

  3. Fast Eddy says:

    A CovIDIOT is trying to explain to me that the vaccines are successful because they reduce severe illness and death….

    So I says … why do you need a third shot then?

    U.S. to Recommend Booster Shots for Most Americans 8 Months After Second Dose

    The Biden administration plans to offer Americans a third COVID booster dose by mid-September assuming Pfizer receives full FDA approval by then, despite health officials last month saying there wasn’t enough data to recommend a third dose.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-booster-shots-8-months-after-second-dose/

    • Xabier says:

      Or a 4th shot, and a 5th, with additional pills and anti-coagulants……

      They have no answer to that except ‘variants’.

  4. Bei Dawei says:

    Spotted as a meme:

    “Someone asked me if I had plans for the fall, it took me a moment to realize they meant ‘autumn’, not the collapse of civilization.”

    • Malcopian says:

      Nice one, By Duhway! Of course, Joe Public gets muchly angry if you even so much as hint at the possibility collapse.

  5. Azure Kingfisher says:

    “Places you can go to work where the jab is not mandated:

    1. The White House
    2. The CDC
    3. The FDA
    4. The WHO
    5. Pfizer*
    6. Moderna
    7. Johnson & Johnson**

    You’re welcome.”

    – Rob McEwen, @inavluement

    * Pfizer requires “vaccination” or weekly testing.

    ** Johnson & Johnson mandated the injections not long after this tweet began circulating.

  6. CTG says:

    Some macro stuff that alerted me when Gail mentioned in one of her comments.

    Interesting question!

    We now have not enough oil and coal to go around. What we can do now is mostly a managed retreat. We are retreating from Afghanistan. Most presidents who want to be remembered for what they did would not want this role.

    I copied many from other commenters like FE, etc and I am seriously piecing them together:

    1. It is interesting to note that the number of international flights are still very low compared to per-pandemic.
    2. NZ and Australia seems to be having a bag lockdown
    3. South East Asian countries are in lockdown and like mine (Malaysia), many businesses have been closed for 2 months.
    4. Some form of vaccine passport seems be the pushed very hard in France and Italy.
    5. China seems to be having lockdowns
    6. It is said that other western countries will be lockdowned soon in fall.

    The availability of retirement visas in South East Asian countries seems to be off limits or suspended. The requirements for Malaysia’s retirement visa was raised so high that it is impossible to get and those who are already on the visa are forced to meet this new requirements. It is like driving them back to their home country.

    Japan, Korea (I am not 100%) and many Asian countries have border restrictions with very few or no foreigners coming in.

    A very high level macro view, perhaps from the Perch of the Creator :

    Those country that has expensive to extract resources are having severe lockdowns – NZ and Aus
    France, Italy – perhaps high population are having vaccination passports to deter travelling or reduced consumption
    USA, UK perhaps still have some oil and resources ?

    I find it the silence on Russia on lockdowns and virus (last few months) is deafening. How about the virus in Africa and Latin America. I see in my world here that it is not even mentioned in MSM or anything that I read. Interesting?

    Perhaps Gail is right (no one can confirm), the looked down into the oil barrel and found that there is only a little left. That was in 2019 perhaps and decided that something must be done before all hell breaks loose. That perhaps explain what FE has been saying – why is that all the country in the world can come together and act like one when they cannot even agree on which side of the road to drive?

    Perhaps there is exist the Elders? Perhaps the Elders are nothing more than the Creators of this simulation and they want to end it in a gentle way?

    Seriously open for discussion. It is a very taxing mental exercise. There is no peer review on this because the academics will never piece all these macro stuff together, just too many circumstial evidence and too many coincidences.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      After reading that post I consider the CEP peer reviewed 🙂

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “… why is that all the country in the world can come together and act like one…”

      not Sweden.

      and why does Russia keep doing things their own way?

      hey NZ population is only 17% vaxed and Aus 21%. Japan low too?

      Israel vaxed very high. Others?

      why is oil still in high production, only a few % below 2019 levels?

      why are so many new coal power plants being built in the world?

      why have most of the world’s stock markets been quite stable over the past 20 months?

      and same for currency relativities?

      why has the toxic spike protein vaccine efficacy failed after only about 6 months, and especially against the (very predictable) delta variant?

      why is the pre-pandemic pattern of quasi collapsing smaller weaker peripheral countries continuing to this present day?

      why is quasi bAU lite proceeding at near 2019 levels?

      why is there no data on decreasing world population? Is it because it is not yet decreasing?

      why are the rich getting richer? Is this something the world has never seen before, or is it a common thing?

      woooo!!

      connecting the dots is sometimes loads of fun.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Sweden is injecting. And that’s the purpose of the covid lie…

        • Xabier says:

          Also, I get the impression that the Swedes have already gone a long way along the Digital Economy route: no need to break them in……

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The injection is not yet widely available in NZ… it will be shortly though.

      • CTG says:

        David…. my comment is meant for people to stay out of their comfort zone and check their limits. I never force anyone to have my views but to think more critically and objectively.

        You are not me and I cannot see what you are seeing.

    • Bei Dawei says:

      The much-criticized changes to the “Malaysia My Second Home” (MM2H) program were not a response to Covid-19, but a combination of political infighting between the Ministries of Tourism and Immigration, and a general desire to “raise prices” / attract a better class of clientele. While the program probably was underpriced, relative to what the market would be willing to pay (Malaysia is more like Singapore than, say, Thailand), the details of the changes–and the way they were implemented–have soured many expats on ever trusting Malaysia again.

    • Jarle says:

      “Perhaps the Elders are nothing more than the Creators of this simulation and they want to end it in a gentle way?”

    • Xabier says:

      1/ Staying in London last week, in a house under a flight path, the stream of jets was constant from about 5am – it felt no different to pre- Pandemic levels, totally horrendous!

      2/ The Plan is clearly being implemented to different degrees and at different speeds, to preserve a facade of national decision-making. The ‘passport’ rules will probably be just as hard in the UK and the US as in Italy, Ireland, France, if they are not opposed by massive civil disobedience.

      3/ Vaccines seem to have arrived later to NZ and OZ, compared for instance to the UK, so the hard lock-downs are probably meant to drive the population into getting quickly jabbed out of desperation, and also a more radical reshaping of their economies.

    • Malcopian says:

      There are competing alliances, but each alliance has its Elders. The USA-UK-Israel-Saudi alliance is the main one in the West. That is why when the Saudis murdered Kashoggi, they got called naughty boys for a while, but that was all.

      Also, the massive Saudi atrocities in Yemen go largely unreported in the West, whose Press prefers to harp on the so-called Syrian atrocities – forgetting that Syria was destabilised by the West in an attempt to bring it within the Western alliance. After the invasion of Iraq, weapons were introduced en masse into the Middle East. ISIL were partly given and partly got their hands on them. We know what happened next. Israel was very pleased to see its hostile neighbours destabilised.

      Back in the 1990s, Princess Diana was proving a handful in the UK. She was embarrassing the royal family and cavorting with a Muslim and planning to marry him. She was taking lessons in the religion, spouting about landmines (how the Tories protested!) and planning to take up the Palestinian cause. The Elders in the UK could not allow that. We know what happened next. Ah, but the driver was blind drunk, you say. Not so. Watch the CCTV video from that evening. The driver is perfectly sober, as you can see from his gait, and he even bends down in sprightly fashion to re-tie his shoelace. What drunkard could manage that? Seek out Annie Machon, a former UK MI5 asset, on YouTube, to hear her talk of the plot.

    • Thanks for your observations.

      This is a chart of Russia COVID case counts and deaths, compared to the US.

      https://ourfiniteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/US-and-Russia-Reported-Cases-and-Deaths-Aug-17-1024×599.png

      When I look at the data, Russia has an unreasonably high number of COVID-19 deaths relative to the case count. This tells me that Russia isn’t doing much COVID-19 testing at all. It really doesn’t know what its case count is. There also may be an issue of treatments not being very good or available.

      It is clear looking at the graph that the cumulative number of deaths from COVID (relative to population) is a whole lot lower than the US. Also, the vaccination rate is quite low (23% now).

      Someone whom I correspond with was planning to go to Russia this summer (the wife is from Russia), but they were not able to go because of high COVID case counts; Russia would not let them in. My impression is that the first time that Russia really started having a
      problem with COVID was about the time the immunizations began. I really doubt that Russia has had any shutdowns (other than perhaps local closures due to lack of workers, for example). We would have heard about them.

      This is a chart of Israel’s COVID case counts and deaths, compared to the US.

      https://ourfiniteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/US-and-Israel-Reported-Covid-Cases-and-Deaths-Aug-17-1024×589.png

      A person can see that the Israel case count continues to spurt up. In fact, relative to population, it seems to have one of the highest case counts in the world. Here again, the latest spurt seems to correspond to the vaccination push. A person would think that the many vaccinations allowed the virus to spread better.

      In comparison, the US growth in cases is slowing down. COVID-19 is mostly in the southern US states, which tend to be less vaccinated than the northern states, for now. Deaths in the US have been quite a bit higher than in Israel, relative to cases, for a long time. To some extent, I would blame this on the US’s significant Black population, which has a very high COVID death rate (low vitamin D due to black skin). The US has a lot of overweight people as well.

      A third chart I looked at is Cuba’s. It is now up with Israel as one of the world’s leaders, in terms of reported COVID-19 cases.

      https://ourfiniteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Cuba-and-US-Reported-cases-and-deaths-Aug-17-1024×596.png

      It also has a low vaccination rate (about 23%). The cases and deaths grew starting after people started getting vaccinated. Its reported death rate is quite high. Of course, it didn’t have the previous spikes of the United States and Israel. It had a vulnerable population.

      • Anna Norseman says:

        “A person can see that the Israel case count continues to spurt up. In fact, relative to population, it seems to have one of the highest case counts in the world. Here again, the latest spurt seems to correspond to the vaccination push. A person would think that the many vaccinations allowed the virus to spread better.”

        Or… it could just be that Israel is testing a larger set of the population compared to the U.S. and so is counting all the asymptomatic and light cases of Covid which the U.S. is not.

        As an actuary, you know that you have to have comparable groups of people in order to make meaningful conclusions.

    • Student says:

      My impression is that 2007-2008 subprime mortgage crisis came out without control and it was a wake-up call.
      Fracking ensured a temporary rescue.
      Covid-19 crisis was piloted and it has been managed to avoid losing control.

  7. Just a weird update on the open-house/potluck party we hosted last Sunday. We must have “invited” (by my husband’s account) 200 people. These are real people we are acquainted with but many were Facebook invites on his end and so of a lesser grade than a personal invite. I invited around 30 people more directly via e-mail.

    15 showed up. A few wrote to us saying “forget it.. we are in the full throes of a pandemic!!”, but most didn’t respond in any way, as is now the norm.

    It was an interesting litmus test:
    All the no-shows were the middle-of-the-road people that we know.
    The people who actually came were one of two types: 1.) our tiny circle of non-vaxxed friends, and 2.) the super-vaxxed… to the extent that…

    … I was stuck talking to a bunch of people I vaguely knew but who were Vaxxy-Vaxxy-to-the-Maxxy, but not only… one of the dudes is CURRENTLY ACTIVELY WORKING FOR MODERNA down in Boston/Cambridge in order to ACCELERATE the premature FDA approval of the death shot! (He’s the husband of a lady I met who’s interested in permaculture, go figure…) Everyone else at the table oohed and aahhed and told him what IMPORTANT WORK that was, and that they were VERY UPSET that people in the military were being allowed to “GET AWAY WITH” not taking the death jab, because of the “LOOPHOLE” of the Emergency Use Authorization. (Like people were trying to get away with murder or something…)

    I was gob-smacked. I felt as though I had invited these people who, two years ago, were “friendly acquaintances”, but who are now my MORTAL ENEMIES!!!

    I got through it, but barely. Didn’t challenge them directly (Fast Eddy, you should give lessons) but I did rag on AI and transhumanism and global digital currency within their earshot.

    It’s hard when one’s “allies” in a community turn out to be Pod People.

    • CTG says:

      Lidia17, in the party that you had, did it ever occur to you (in your world there) that these people seemed to be dumbed down in lockstep? Do you feel that you are like in a movie where the people surrounding you seem to be acting weird? Like one day they are ok and then the next day they seem to be talking some rubbish or just plain doing something that it is unexpected? And then the big surprise came along when others in your group are also acting the same way like the first one?

      Do you seriously feel like you are in a bad science fiction or Stephen King movie where there are just too many unexplained circumstances or happenings?

      • “Do you seriously feel like you are in a bad science fiction or Stephen King movie where there are just too many unexplained circumstances or happenings?”

        Yes.

        As far as people all of a sudden “acting weird” or “dumbed down in lockstep?”…?

        I would say no. I think they are “dumbed down” to the degree that they are always “dumbed down” or always would have been (including people with PhDs and other advanced degrees). They act dumb in order to go along with the herd or with the system, from whence they get power and protection.

        Also in my circle among the no-shows are older “smart” doctors and a medical-text editor who have been harrassing my vax-skeptic young-mother friend to get “vaxxed” and ruin her chances of a normal future pregnancy. They are deranged.

        They weren’t really “ok” and then “not-ok” from one day to the next.. this covid scenario has (imo) brought out their core totalitarian nature and an apparently innate desire to annihilate others. Their “liberal tolerance” was just a façade; they are neither liberal nor tolerant.

        It’s only my awakening over the past decade or more that has revealed to me who may always really have been “not-ok”, and that’s way more people than I would’ve imagined, even as a pessimist.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          The odds of encountering someone outside of OFW who is not a MOREON…. is very close to nil.

        • CTG says:

          What I have seen here is there are times when I see a big shift downwards in their intelligence.

          I started to question my reality last year as I am trying to find out if it is really possible to have very stupid people in nature. It sounds like a straight forward question or answer but it has been bugging me for a while. I am looking at a very big picture by the way, not just a small worldview

      • Fast Eddy says:

        When I look back at my life…. I cannot recognize that person …I see now that I too was a Zombie …. heck I can barely recognize myself from a year ago…. it’s almost as if Fast Eddy (the Entity) has big plans for me….

        It seems as if The Chosen ones have been brought together on OFW (along with some riff raff)…

        The purpose to be revealed soon?

        • TIm Groves says:

          Be careful. This is precisely what happened to David Icke.

          Thirty years ago, in March 1991, at a press conference, he announced to the assembled juronos, “I am a channel for the Christ spirit. The title was given to me very recently by the Godhead.”

          Then, he resigned as a spokesperson for the Green Party, his hair turned white, he developed a pot belly, called HM the Queen a reptile, and he went on to develop a cult leader status, with millions of devoted followers and twice as many derisive detractors.

          He far gets more spectators at his performances these days than ever he got when he was a footballer. That’s what the Godhead does for its “channels”.

      • Tim Groves says:

        a bad science fiction or Stephen King movie

        Is there a difference? I classify Stephen King under “bad science fiction”.

        But Stephen did write a very long novel called The Stand (published 1978) that reads like a blueprint for our current scenario. I have the book on my desk now. Here’s the blurb on the back cover:

        When a man escapes from a biological testing facility, he sets in motion a deadly domino effect, spreading a mutated strain of the flu that will wipe out 99% of humanity within a few weeks. The survivors who remain are scared, bewildered, and in need of a leader. Two emerge—Mother Abagail, the benevolent 108-year-old woman who urges them to build a community in Boulder, Colorado; and Randall Flogg, the nefarious “Dark Man,” who delights in chaos and violence.

        “AS BRILLIANT A DARK DREAM AS HAS EVER BEEN DREAMED IN THIS CENTURY.”

      • Malcopian says:

        “Do you seriously feel like you are in a bad science fiction movie where there are just too many unexplained circumstances or happenings?”

        Yes, until I sit back and analyse it. The speed of it has been shocking, but then I remember the concept of ‘the tipping point’ and John Michael Greer’s ‘catabolic colllapse’ – stair-step collapse, one step at a time, over year – decades – centuries.

        Then there is that Italian fellow, who brought us the concept of ‘Seneca’s cliff’. To paraphrase, ‘Increases are of sluggish growth, but the road to ruin is rapid”. And indeed we have seen our neglect of the en. Vir. on. Ment rapidly ruining our infrastructure. In fact, I started taking notice of that in 2010, with the high taeH in northern Can ada, S iberia, etc. Then came the cra ters in S. iberia, circa 2013, half a mile across, caused by the explosions of a certain gas.

        And we’ve read all the relevant stuff and heard all the phrases: ‘How civilisations collapse’; ‘the converging crises of the 21st century’. And of course China was industrialising at a dizzying pace, using more cement in a typical year that the USA used in the whole of the 20th century. How could we not expect damage?

        In times of great change, like the 1930s, strange the or. ies are invented in an attempt to explain what folk cannot understand – perhaps we should call them ‘fearies’. Its the speed of these consequences that discombobulate us – and they’ll likely get worse.

        • Xabier says:

          Speed also leads to denial, if frightening enough.

          One can chatter on about Collapse for years, even decades,in theory, but the reality is quite another kettle of fish.

          I find it helps me to live in a very old place, and I can literally sit on a mound and think about all the horrors, massacres, and collapses of the past: Celtic, Roman, Saxon, Viking, and so on, that took place on that very spot.

          I suspect that Collapse is harder to grasp in a completely modern, urban environment.

      • The situation does become difficult to deal with. The education required is just too great to say anything intelligent in response.

        A person finds that they must simply stay quiet about the subject, or write on a forum like this. They can perhaps correspond with close friends who have been cured with ivermectin. Or others who you know are not taking the vaccine. (There are a lot of them in the South.)

        But speaking out becomes a problem, in any sized circle of people who you don’t know.

        Of course, talking about oil limits and coal limits is a similar or worse problem. Everyone is concerned about COVID.

        • Student says:

          Dear Gail, the situation is exactly the same here in Italy. Many thanks for sharing your experience.

          • Xabier says:

            Is there a real rebellion against ‘passports’ in Italy, Student?

            • Fast Eddy says:

              When IRA leaders were jailed they at one point smeared their faeces on the walls of the prison cells and chucked it into the hallways…

              Other tactics might include self-immolation and mass hunger strikes…

        • Anna Norseman says:

          A person has been diagnosed with Covid and is treated with Ivermectin. Two days later they are 100% better.

          A person has been diagnosed with Covid and is NOT treated with Ivermectin. Two days later they are 100% better.

          Funny how that works.

          Medical cures are like my stock picks. You only hear about my winners, not my failures.

          And that is why they use random, double blind tests when they are testing for the effectiveness of any medication.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Every party needs entertainment…. I’d have put a leash on the Moderna guy and force him onto the ground and charged $10 to Ride Him Around the Yard… then for 5 bucks the unvaxxed could kick him in the face and stab him with HIV infected syringes….

      And for the grand finale…. out comes the rope… turn up the volume on Crazy Train…. vaxxed at this point are appalled and threatening to leave… but FE says … ‘but you can’t leave… the best part is still to come… you really MUST stay (or else)’…

      Fast drags Moderna Booster Boy by the hair …. wrenches his neck into the noose… hauls him up a tree and we watch him squirm … sh it his pants… head turns purple .. Marty Feldman eyes….

      Oh but that’s boring …. let’s move on ….

      I’d have instigated a fight to the death — vaxxed vs unvaxxed…. making sure to equip the unvaxxed with knives and baseball bats….

      To the victor go the spoils … extra chicken wings… and then the Tatler photographer magically appears… and it’s strike a pose time.

      • See, now that would have been a party! Talk of the town for years.

        I completely avoided Moderna boy, although I really would have loved a one-on-one discussion.

        He and his wife even talked about animal trials!
        that I knew went badly!
        where all the animals died!
        and I made a grimace and a slicing motion across my throat!!

        aaaaand… then I excused myself from the table…

        • Tim Groves says:

          But I assume the Moderna boy thinks they know what went wrong? I would love to ask him if all the animals dying was a bug or a feature.

        • Xabier says:

          Lidia BORGIA? Missed opportunity, and you with all that time in Italy……

          I don’t think I would have contained myself with the Moderna monster.

    • Minority of One says:

      We had a similar gathering about 4 weeks ago, about ten adults, all friends. CV19 came up early, whilst still preparing food in the kitchen, and it became instantly clear that the other two were fully vaxxed and very pro-vax. So I avoided the subject from then on.

      Then when we moved outside, one of those rare evenings where it was sunny and warm, when the ten of us were talking collectively around the table, someone said:

      “.. since we are all vaxxed …”

      That is the level of thinking here.
      Why would anyone who can not get vaxxed? Where have you been the last 19 months. Don’t you watch the news every night on the BBC? (No)

      I have yet to meet any other adult here who I know is not vaxxed. Anyone.

      • Tim Groves says:

        It’s a fair bet that some of the people who are presenting themselves to the public as vaxed are faking it. Given today’s social climate in many places, they would be remiss not to. If they are among the holdouts, why broadcast that fact when there are so many hostile normies out there waiting to snub or shame them, or even play the game of Witchfinder General?

      • Xabier says:

        That’s why I was delighted to meet the black Christian bros on the train in London: we vowed no ‘Mark of the Beast’ for us! It was utterly rejuvenating. They could smash any vaxxinator to pulp, too…..

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Start with mentioning this:

        Israel’s active COVID cases pass 50,000, just 2 months after they hovered at 200
        41 deaths in 24 hours; 531 serious cases; positive test rate highest since February; 500 at-risk kids age 5-11 vaccinated, with mild or no side effects; new travel rules start

        Then say — these filthy Vaccinated CovIDIOTS are breeding these covid variants and infecting themselves and spreading this crap to the Uninjected.

        It’s like we’re living in a house with diseased prostitutes… every thing we touch is coated with their sickness! We can’t even sit on the toilet without getting infected.

        See how they react to that.

    • JMS says:

      Sometimes I feel like those German Social Democrats in 1933 who suddenly saw their liberal friends enthusiastically joining the Nazi party. I had the opportunity to say just that to a communist friend, who felt offended. I felt like telling her: when your friends in the government commit me to a sanitary lager, I hope you at least have the decency not to visit me there (in the rather unlikely event that visits will be allowed)
      All my friends and family (except the wife) are now injected, despite all the warnings I gave them, and it is impossible not to conclude that I am surrounded by perfect gullible idiots. Honestly, I find it hard enough to even look at them. They only inspire me with pity or contempt.

      • Xabier says:

        Well, JMS, they are really only a testament to the power of brainwashing, and the best experts in this dirty field have been employed. And censorship……

        For some reason, we here (most of us)are like the resistant wax on a dyed cloth: the vaxx propaganda just slid off us.

        Les fearful, susceptible: certainly better-informed. And able to see the link between the vaxx and Techno-tyranny….

        • Xabier says:

          See yourself, JMS, as the last Knight Templar of sanity. I believe they never quite went away in Portugal…..

        • JMS says:

          In a way, Xabier, I don’t think this propaganda campaign is being so perfectly conducted, even though they have hired the best experts in the field, as you say, since the blunders and inconsistencies of the messengers have been flagrant throughout these eighteen months, to such an extent that one would expect that any person with any sense of logic would have noticed them after a while. But that’s not what happens.

          More than intelligence or subtlety, the key to the propagandists’ success lies in a massive media bombardment. Creating a good tv ad requires intelligence and a deep understanding of human psychology, but to get a political message across you just have to repeat it over and over (after, of course, censoring all the contradictory).

          This terror covid campaign showed me that essentially there are two kinds of people in this world: those who see and trust MSM, and those who don’t. That’s why it’s perhaps easier to find someone who resists covid-bullshit among illiterates than among PhDs. Which at the very least should make us question the importance of literacy. God bless the illiterates!

          • Fast Eddy says:

            I think … that with a big enough budget… and if every MSM were to pound the drum hard for a year… Eskimos could be convinced to buy ice.

            • JMS says:

              Right. With the proper “scientific studies” it would be possible to convince any normie that head-butting a nail everyday promotes brain circulation. And anyone who laughed at their blood-dripping heads would be called a science denier.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        “7 Vaccinated Florida Patients Die of COVID; Nurse Calls Situation ‘Disturbing“

        https://www.newsweek.com/7-vaccinated-florida-patients-die-covid-nurse-calls-situation-disturbing-1620118

        Send via https://www.headsupster.com/

  8. Fast Eddy says:

    Regarding CTG’s suggestion that this is a simulation …..

    I am thinking about the Van Allan Belts…. is it not odd that it is impossible for humans to venture beyond these belts because they will kill us?

    It’s as if that was a feature in the software…

    If you consider games…. they have a beginning and an end … Monopoly … chess… checkers… snakes and ladders… nothing goes on forever… there is a beginning and an end… a crescendo…

    Call this game Planet of the Humans?

    hang on … https://www.bitchute.com/hashtag/planet-of-the-humans/

  9. CTG says:

    It was only the last 12 months that I gave “simulation theory” a very good and deep thought after experience and knowing many “impossible things” and coincidences that is statistically impossible. From the perch high up in the utmost macro level, I see the dots connected. It is when people cannot explain it properly, then it is either (1)discard or totally ignored or (2) kill the messenger by stating that these are just conspiracy theories. Let us do 2 mental exercises only.

    These are seriously heavyweight mental exercises. If you are not up to it, please skip.

    (1)
    Let us imagine a block of granite/rock 10’x10’x5′. With FF and just basic tools, how much effort is required to move this rock 1 mile? How many people do you need? Days? at least 20 people? 50 people? Logs? vines? some rudimentary tools? some iron tools? How do you slid the logs underneath this rock so that it can be rolled? How do you even lift this rock so that the logs can be slid under. Even with FF and modern tools, how easy it is to move this rock? What truck can actually carry that kind of rock easily? Specialized trucks?

    Now, think back to the Egyptian pyramids. Millions of similar rocks, transported in the desert over 200 miles. It is perfectly cut into cuboids. A great amount of food is required to feed all the workers. A poorly fed worker is not going to perform. How many you need millions of workers? How does it take?

    So, what is the archeologist do? Just ignore this question and said that the ancient Egyptians had a lot of manpower (i.e. those who are captured). I am not going to use the “sl*ve” word because this comment be banned.

    Same thing goes to The Great Wall of China or any other structures in the ancient civilization. They are just impossible.

    (2)
    Illumination of Sphere If you are interested : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GJ4P1T7OHI
    Sphere has a certain characteristic when it is illumiated. There is always a hotspot of focused light and then it dropped off. You can check out this sphere : https://filterforge.com/filters/12333.jpg

    Does the moon look this as it is widely assumed that it is a sphere?

    For (2), perhaps I am wrong but I could not really find a good explanation on what I am seeing.

    • Kowalainen says:

      Obviously the moon is out of reach for us for some time.

      The pyramids and other megalithic engineering marvels isn’t. Did humans build them? Perhaps, perhaps not. Does it really matter? Some shit went down in earths history. Likely some terraforming and mineral/metal extraction operations and processing of fissile materials by ourselves or some other entity. Who knows?

      Clearly something went quite wrong in the past, i.e. a reset. Or simply the erasure of the biological ‘cloner’ herd that is mankind. The biblical Noah’s ark, or Ragnarök in Norse mythology. I don’t think it is that far fetched.

      You gotta conclude that the rapacious primate is sublimely crafted to follow shepherds. The odd contrarian of course exists, just have a look at the OFW ragtag bunch of loose cannons.

      The perfect system doesn’t exist, evolution have a tendency of giving zero shits about delusions and hopiums of crafty shenanigans. Just look at covid and the vaxxes.

  10. Fast Eddy says:

    7 INFECTIONS!!! OMG https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/449422/covid-19-update-seven-cases-in-the-community-now-ashley-bloomfield

    I knew I should have never bought that ski pass… and to boot … M Fast is using this opportunity to coerce me into ‘general house cleaning’….. It’s all hands on deck.

  11. Ed says:

    Physics journals in the first third of the last century were not peer reviewed. You sent in your article and if the editor thought it was not some crazy person he published it.

  12. Azure Kingfisher says:

    More fun with Twitter:

    The New Religion is Fascism
    Covid-19 is the devil
    Gov’t is ‘God’
    Scientists & doctors are high priests and bishops
    Masks = magical talismans
    Mystery Jabs are baptism or communion
    Challenging the dogma is blasphemy
    Follow the Scientism or be cast out or punished or even stoned

    – Coyotl, “Smoking Mirror,” @Coyotl2021

    What to do next time someone tells you to “Trust the Science”:

    A. Get out your phone
    B. Demand they recite steps of scientific method
    C. Record their hilarious sputtering
    D. Inform them science is about TESTING, not trusting
    E. Circulate your results as you see fit

    – The Secret Sun Speaks, @SecretSunBlog

    • I afraid Coyotl and the Secret Sun may be right.

      Science today is about putting together models. Anyone can “prove” anything that they want with a model. Such as, “This vaccine will work. We can get to herd immunity quickly.”

    • Xabier says:

      Coyotl is correct, it does imitate a religious conditioning system – best described as the Covid Cult.

  13. Fred says:

    Damn, you snooze you lose. Wanted to give FE sh-t for NZ taking away Oz’ title for the most insane lockdown policy, but was beaten to it.

    Saint Jacinda the Goddess of Woke. 1 case and she shuts the country down. My hero for keeping everyone safe.

    Are countries working on shared, rotating lockdowns? Who decides where the available oil goes?

    The UK is running at about 25,000 new cases a day last time I looked, but they’re back to normal such as it is. 50,000 people in footie stadiums singing and dancing, no masks in sight.

    Energy-wise they’re extremely precarious. No coal, lots of offshore wind that’s a nightmare to maintain. They have to be locked down again before long surely?

    • We have to wait to see what happens next. UK COVID cases are trending up a bit, but deaths are not rising quickly.

      Perhaps it is time for China to reign in its oil demand instead. China has been one of the places trying to hold back the spread of Delta.

  14. Ed says:

    Kiwis, here in the U.S. deer are testing positive for CV19 antibodies. Have NZ’s sheep been tested for CV19 antibodies? If they are infected should the whole herd be culled?

  15. Tim Groves says:

    A LONG TIME AGO, IN A GALAXY FAR AWAY, in the latest movie in the Star Wars dodecology, or however many it is now, the Evil Emperor has ordered the entire Evil Empire to be vaccinated against Jedi Fever, which has been raging through star system after star system.

    Darth Vader and his friendly flying hypodermic-equipped droid zoom through hyperspace in search of Chewbacca, who remains unvaxed and unwaxed despite receiving several Imperial Order envelopes demanding he visit his local Ward Office.

    And so begins JAB-A-WOOOKIE—an epic chase across several galactic arms, as our hairy hero struggles valiantly to avoid the needle and keep the rebellion alive in the hearts of sentient lifeforms everywhere.

  16. CTG says:

    Dear Mike Roberts,

    I have asked you a question a few days ago and I followed again and this time twice, but I did not get a response from you on why you say that “peer reviewed” work is superior. Is it a personal experience or perhaps you can share your experience?

    I have come to realize that you are always asking links and more information. Is it that difficult for you to do your own research on the internet? If Google is banning it, then use duckduckgo. I do see some signs of “intellectual lethargy” where you want to be fed information rather than going out and look for yourself. You treated peer review as “the best” so that you don’t have to crack your head and ask if they are trustworthy. All “peer reviews” documents are always good. You don’t question it and only trust “authoritative sites” That, to me is pure intellectual laziness. In essence your mind is not thinking but only regurgitating what is being fed to you. You don’t really ask tough questions to that person to yourself.

    You wrote:
    Of course I recognize those sources as information but they do not show that deaths occurred because of the vaccine, only that they occurred in some period after vaccination. Surely you recognize that they are not the same thing?

    Is VAERS true? Nope because it is not peer reviewed. Nope because death occurs in the same period after vaccination. What you have demonstrated is what a child would do. Look at it and say the obvious but do you really go down and ask – is it always this coincidental? How come this is happening? Why is it happening? Is it because someone want to game the system? Are there any hidden agenda? When is this happening? Is it happening everywhere in the world? There are tons of questions that you can ask but did you?

    This is pure intellectual laziness, or you are possible just a very good bot because I don’t see any critical thinking or arguing any tough questions for all your posts here in OFW. Artificial Intelligence is junk. They cannot beat humans in critical thinking. If you read my comments above about my ability to see things very far in the most macro level, you will know what I say. Can an AI know sarcasm? Can AI know what is a smirk? Can an AI know that I am feeding wrong information with the intent to mislead? No, AI cannot do that.

    There is this anecdote that I read from Reader’s Digest, probably 30-40 years ago. I have very good memory.

    Two Russians in Soviet Union – one of went to Siberia to work. USSR monitored all the letters and read them. So, the first Russian said that if the life there is good, then the second one can go over. So, they devised a way to bypass the eavesdropping. Use red ink if the content of the letter if false and use blue ink if the content of the letter is true. So after 2 months, the 2nd Russian received a letter from the 1st Russia. He opened up the letter and he was delighted because it was all blue. He read the letter and it states how wonderful life is in Siberia and everything is fantastic except that they don’t sell red ink.

    I am not sure if the AI can interprete it easily especially if this scenario is more complicated.

    So, Mike, please help me. Share with me why you say that peer reviews are the best of them all and you trust them in the name of science . I know that you are the best person in OFW and probably the smartest. (smirk)

    • I know that I had more faith in peer reviewed papers than I do now, before I started reading more of them and acting as a peer reviewer on others. I have also published papers that are peer reviewed. I have also discussed writing a book with academic book publishers.

      With respect to academic published books, it turns out that what the publisher thinks will be salable for classroom use is very important. It needs to present a fairly rosy picture of what is ahead, with lots of potential job opportunities for those who will be taking classes now and in the future.

      There are a whole host of problems associated with peer reviewed papers:

      1. Models can say pretty much anything that the employer or funder wants them to say. As an actuary, I have worked enough with models to have figured how how this works.

      2. Once a wrong assumption has gotten through the peer review process, it can be carried forth endlessly. A standard wrong assumption is the view by most economists that the future can always be projected from past patterns. Energy is not terribly important. Whether or not we run out (or choose to stop using energy) is irrelevant. The laws of physics don’t matter, since every type of peer reviewed papers is reviewed in a different academic silo. Findings in physics in the last 50 years never make it over to economists. Absurd ideas can be endlessly circulated.

      3. Researchers will slant their research and their writing to what they perceive that “peer reviewers” will want (a happy ever after ending). Or they will slant their research and their writing to what a particular journal wants to publish. Or they will slant their research to support a new product that someone wants to sell (in some pay-to-publish journals). Or they will slant their research toward areas where research grants are available.

      4. If researchers are “proving” only a tiny piece of a huge conjecture, it may never occur to the researcher that the overall conjecture is wrong. Climate change models based on the assumption that the economy will continuing to grow, electric vehicles replacing other vehicles, the feasibility of carbon capture and storage, and the possibility of overcoming the variability of wind and solar by various techniques (more transmission, more batteries, cutting off electricity use when supplies are low, etc.) all fall in this category.

    • Lastcall says:

      Spike could probably argue that Florence N, Galileo, Rachel Carson should all be denied a platform as they certainly did not pass Peer Review. Nicola Tesla was certainly far above Peer Review.
      Peer pressure is usually to conform. Don’t rock the boat. Hold the narrative.

      As for Vix deaths related to timing re getting jacked; no was seen dying from cigarette smoking early on. Doctors were paid to promote this lifestyle.

      Bit sad that Spike is so peer reviewed that he can’t form an independant view.

    • nikoB says:

      Nice reply CTG.

      I think that all of these papers being pre-printed before peer review is a good thing. The aim of science is to hypothesize and then test. Any paper presented can therefore be replicated and tested and independently verified or falsified. Then those following tests can also be published. That would be true peer reviewing using the tnenets of science. Not gate keeping reviewing as we have now. Science is barely science these days. It used to be about discovering new facts or trends now it is mostly about discovering where the money is.

      • Xabier says:

        Seek the money indeed. A friend of mine had to raise money to pay a full-time fundraiser, as he was having to submit too many distracting funding applications, with only a 1 in 4 success rate. If people hit on a profitable groove they will stick with it, even if nonsense.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      ____________ and norm have this habit of refusing to respond…. if the question gets asked too many times norm gets uppity….

      _________ only gets uppity if you grab his ulnar in a vice… and crush it…. otherwise he stays in radio silence.

      Then there is dunc… he continues to ruminate on what happened to the mythical 95%…. there is still hope for dunc…. this could be his moment

      • some of us have more interesting lives than responding to barstoolers, especially those who relate their (imaginary) rants in medical centres, while simultaneously inflating their fantasies.

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          In reality he seems unable to hold down a job as a sheep shearer and he is reduced to delusions of grandeur on the internet. It may well be a psychiatric case.

  17. Mirror on the wall says:

    New Zealand goes into total lockdown again today. They will be forbidden from leaving their farms, with nothing but their sheep to keep them company. It is unclear how they are expected to occupy their time in the coming weeks. The excuse given is that there is a single case of Delta on the island, so the only safe thing to do is for all of them to lock down on the farm. Zealas seem quite relaxed about the prospect – ‘been here, done that.’ It is unclear whether the sheep too will also be forced to wear masks in case they transmit any virus.

    > New Zealand is plunged into a three-day lockdown and Auckland for a whole week over just ONE case of coronavirus

    New Zealand will enter a level four three day lockdown from 11.59pm Tuesday – can only leave home for exercise, groceries or testing and must wear a mask

    New Zealand has been plunged into a snap lockdown after a single mystery Covid case was found in Auckland, the nation’s first locally-acquired case since February. The entire country will enter a three-day Level Four lockdown from 11.59pm Tuesday, while Auckland and the Coromandel Peninsula will suffer under the rules for at least a week. Kiwis will be locked in their homes for all but essential reasons, with businesses forced to shut and masks mandatory whenever a person leaves the house.

    A 58-year-old Auckland man, who is unvaccinated, tested positive on Tuesday and is believed to have been infectious for the last five days. He had travelled with his wife to Coromandel – which is on the east of the North Island – on the weekend. The case is being assumed to be infected with the highly contagious Indian Delta strain until genome testing results come back on Wednesday.

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern urged the country to follow the rules ‘to the letter’ and referred to neighbouring Australia’s difficulty in controlling the spread of the virus when she addressed the nation on Tuesday night. There are growing fears that the extremely-infectious Delta variant could undermine New Zealand’s brutal ‘zero Covid’ strategy. The strain is already piling pressure on hospitals in Australia, which has deployed a similar elimination strategy.

    New Zealand’s sluggish vaccine rollout leaves it particularly susceptible to a deadly new outbreak, with only 17 per cent of the entire population fully vaccinated. Australia has jabbed just 21 per cent of its people.

    ‘Delta has been called a game changer and it is, it means that we again need to go hard and early to stop the spread,’ she said. ‘We’ve seen elsewhere what can happen if we fail to get on top of it. We only get one chance. We have made the decision on the basis that it is better to start high and go down levels rather than to go low, not contain the virus and see it move quickly.’

    From 11:59pm Tuesday, Kiwis can only leave home to shop for groceries, get medical care, get a COVID-19 test, exercise in their local area or go to work if they’re an essential worker or cannot work from home.

    ‘We’ve seen the dire consequences of taking too long to act in other countries, not at least our neighbours. I’m asking the team of five million to unite once more to defeat what is likely the more transmissible and deadly variant of the virus. Remember to always act like you have Covid-19, stay clear of others; don’t put them in harm’s way in the same way you would expect that they don’t put you in harm’s way.’

    Under the highest Level Four restrictions, Kiwis can only leave their homes for exercise in their neighbourhood, getting groceries, medical care or getting a test. They must wear a mask whenever they leave the house and keep a two metre distance from those other than household members.

    ‘The simplest thing New Zealanders can do to reduce the spread of virus is to stay at home. Beating Delta means lifting our game,’ Ms Ardern said.

    All schools and non-essential businesses such as supermarkets, pharmacies and petrol stations will shut down for the duration of lockdown, while Covid-19 vaccinations have been suspended for the next 48 hours. The announcement sparked chaos in supermarkets the country as Kiwis scrambled to the shops to stock up on essentials. Kiwis travelling in other parts of the country have been given 48 hours to return home.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9900511/Coronavirus-Australia-New-Zealand-plunged-three-day-lockdown-one-case.html

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Lockdown is not expected to do much damage to the New Zealand economy as it does not really have one. Farming makes up 90% of the economy and they have no services, let alone any industry.

      Zeala comes 65th in the world by GDP ppp on a par with Kenya, Angola and Uzbekistan but the 5 million Zealas are quite proud of their 30 M sheep and they enjoy sports and games with them.

      The big news this year in NZ has been the cancellation of the Sheep Olympics, which is usually the highlight of the year for Zealas.

      > COVID-19 halts New Zealand’s ‘shearing Olympics’ for first time

      At the Masterton War Memorial Stadium, the Golden Shears committee started dismantling and storing facilities after the 2021 championships were cancelled, from left, Philip Morrison, Trish Herrick, Ana Morrison, Sam Saunders, Bruce Caseley, Ken McPherson, Richard Pearson and Ronnie King. Photo by Pete Nikolaison.

      NEW Zealand’s prestigious Golden Shears shearing and wool handling event has been cancelled for the first time in its 60-year history after COVID-19 restrictions escalated in the country. The 61st Golden Shears was scheduled to be held in Masterton this week, but was cancelled at the weekend at an emergency meeting on Sunday morning. The decision followed the overnight of announcement of a return to COVID-19 Alert Level 2 across most of the country and the escalation to Level 3 in Auckland. Golden Shears said competitor entry fees and tickets would be refunded.

      The cancellation means that within a few hours two of the biggest events in New Zealand’s Wairarapa region each year had been called off, with the last day of the Wings Over Wairarapa air show also abandoned.

      Golden Shears events, with more than 300 competitors, were to have been held on Thursday, Friday and Saturday in the Masterton War Memorial Stadium, where the Golden Shears have been held every year since 1961. Golden Shears International Shearing Championships Society president Sam Saunders had said last week his committee had discussed the COVID-19 situation over many months and the view had been that the championships could not go-ahead under Level 2 restrictions.

      Events at Taumarunui and northern Manawatu locality Apiti were held on Friday and Saturday respectively, but the Pahiatua Shears which were due to be held today were cancelled late on Saturday night. Many of the competitors are already in the region, from as far as Northland and Southland, and including some from overseas, mainly Wales, who have arrived since late December as critical workers under the confines of the Covid-19 managed quarantine isolation provisions.

      Shearing Sports New Zealand chairman Sir David Fagan appreciated the need to cancel and agreed there would have been few if any options once the latest Covid-19 situation was announced on Sunday. He described the Golden Shears as “the Olympics”, where every competitor will have based their season around getting to the first weekend of March in Masterton.

      “Everyone wants to get to the Golden Shears,” he said.

      It’ll be a particularly big blow to Southland shearers Nathan Stratford, Leon Samuels and Brett Roberts and Marlborough gun Angus Moore, who spearheaded possibly the strongest southern attack since the last time a South Island shearer won the Golden Shears open final in 1989. Samuels won recently at Aria and Stratford on Saturday, the first open final wins on crossbred or strong wools by South Island shearers in the North Island in over a decade. Stratford and Moore had both won the national circuit final in Masterton on a combination of sheep types, including long strong wool, fine wool, lambs and second-shear.

      Last year the celebration of 60 years of Golden Shears took place amid rapidly-growing fears of the arrival of COVID-19 in New Zealand, and the 2019-2020 season survived just one more week before the lockdown was imposed later in the month. Golden Shears entries peaked at about 580 shearers around the second world championships in 1980, when sheep numbers were nearing the 1982 peak of 70 million.

      https://www.sheepcentral.com/covid-19-halts-new-zealands-shearing-olympics-for-the-first-time/

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Last year’s NZ Olympics are on YT. A least Zealas will be able to re-watch that in lockdown, so it is not all bad.

        • Xabier says:

          I preferred ‘One Man and his Dog’. High octane excitement for sheep lovers……

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Almost as exciting as watching dart competitions.

            I wonder if the people watching had to pay?

    • Lockdowns will save some oil.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      One of the benefits of strict lockdowns in NZ is that it allows Zealers to ply their usual trade of sheep shearers as seasonal labourers in Australia. Australia is a much more diversified economy and workforce than NZ and it relies heavily on Zealers to go over and to take up the shears. So it is important that the Zealers remain covid free, otherwise Australia will not have them in. It provides a nice holiday for Zealers anyway, to get out and about off their own farms.

      Zero covid and constant lockdowns is considered to be a price worth paying in NZ for the opportunity of a few weeks work on the shears in Australia. It is not like there is any economy in NZ to suffer from lockdown anyway, and they retain full access to their own sheep on their own farms, which is where they would usually be the whole time, so it is all good. They can quarantine/ lockdown when they get back. The Sheep Olympics, the usual highlight of the year in NZ, have had to be cancelled, but it is what it is.

      > Shearer shortage getting worse

      Mike Henderson, Henderson Shearing, Dongara, believes the shearer and wool handler shortage this spring will not be as bad as last year, as some believe.

      WOOLGROWERS may have difficulty finding shearing teams again this spring, with some contractors saying the shearer shortage could be worse than last year. Others are predicting delays, but not as bad as last spring.

      While New Zealand shearers can fly direct to WA to work without quarantining on arrival, provided they complete a G2G declaration prior to entry, at this stage they still have to quarantine when they return home.

      Under WA’s COVID-19 controlled border, New Zealand is considered a “very low risk” jurisdiction, but it is not the same travelling from Australia to New Zealand because of COVID outbreaks in three Eastern States.

      The problem WA shearing contractors have is to convince enough New Zealand shearers – who now earn similar money per sheep shorn at home as they would with the award rate here to come over to make up the shortfall and quarantine on the way home.

      However, Mike Henderson of Henderson Shearing, Dongara, one of the shearing contractors most affected by the shearer shortage last year, said he was more optimistic about this spring.

      “Look, we can still get shearers from New Zealand, they can still come over,” said Mr Henderson, who estimates he was up to 80,000 sheep behind schedule at one stage last spring. The travel bubble affects them travelling back to New Zealand after they’ve been here – at the moment they’re still coming. I haven’t had any who were coming change their mind and say they aren’t coming.

      “I had a shearer ring me last night (a week ago) who wanted to come in the next week – it will be subject to flights, they will be reduced without any doubt. The big difference this year is that people are still willing to come. I don’t see a big issue (this spring). We’re always short of shearers every year, from late September to early November.

      “It will be busy and people will be whinging about a shortage of shearers – but it’s the same every year at this time.”

      https://www.farmweekly.com.au/story/7385658/shearer-shortage-getting-worse/

      • Ed says:

        How much per sheep?

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          The key is how fast they are. They can even get into the NZ Olympics if they are particularly speedy at it. Likewise, they can earn more in Australia when they take up the shears there if they are quick on them.

          There is not much ‘high skills’ needed, so speed is everything in that job. A rapid dexterity is also important in social status, and they are given to boast of it. The one thing that a shearer really needs is to be fast.

        • nikoB says:

          $10 AUD each for me to get mine sheared.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Notice how the MSM does not ask about why Sweden has only 800+ cases per day and 0 deaths on most days…. despite never locking down ….. and why Sweden is not collapsing.

      You’d think the CovIDIOTS would read that and perhaps begin to question … but nope… it is amazing how such tiny feeble minds are able to perform the complicated gymnastics involved in not questioning that.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      This article is wrong … supermarkets chemists and petrol stations are open….

      Strip clubs … to the dismay of many … are apparently non-essential … so closed…

  18. All is Dust says:

    Here is a thought. Is western civilisation being “Moctezuma’d”?

    “At some time during that period, Moctezuma became a prisoner in his own house.”

    “In his Historia, Bernal Díaz del Castillo states that on 29 June 1520, the Spanish forced Moctezuma to appear on the balcony of his palace, appealing to his countrymen to retreat.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moctezuma_II

    This thinking is heavily influenced by my reading of “Unrestricted Warfare”. It would certainly explain the “qualifications” of the current US president…

    • Interesting question!

      We now have not enough oil and coal to go around. What we can do now is mostly a managed retreat. We are retreating from Afghanistan. Most presidents who want to be remembered for what they did would not want this role.

  19. postkey says:

    From an ‘expert’?

    “Can you relapse after recovering from the virus?
    That doesn’t happen with these respiratory viruses. The symptoms that drag on are your body’s response to the virus, but the virus is gone after a few days. I take great umbrage at the lengths of time you are meant to be infectious for because it is just not true. Nine days is nonsense. You don’t excrete a live virus that long.”
    https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/cambridge-virologist-explains-what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-covid-19-9104220/

    • This article is from March 2020. The Delta variant we are facing now is very different. With Delta, there are something like 250 to 1000 times as many infectious particles being emitted. This is true, whether or not the person was vaccinated or not, and whether or not the person has symptoms.

      Whatever was true in 2020 is likely not true now, with the Delta variant.

      • Ed says:

        As long as it does not kill or maim who cares? Let it rip.

      • Gail, what are your sources for this “Delta” being somehow so different?

        Is it not possible that “they” are labeling bad pseudo-vax reax “Delta”?

        The idea of vaccine-induced heightened susceptibility jibes with some scientists’ warnings.

        ===
        I mean.. you create a pseudo-vax that generates the same bad&toxic spike proteins as the supposed original threat. So how does one then distinguish who is “ill” (cough-tests positive-cough) from the “real” covid spike protein vs. being ill or testing positive after hosting the pseudo-vax-engendered spike protein?

        It’s intentionally being muddled, in a rather genius way. Both the purported disease and the “curing” jab have been designed to integrate within the same pseudo-testing parameters.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          This is the most complex psyop in the history of the world…. it’s impossible to know what is real….

        • Fast Eddy says:

          If Delta is so much more dangerous … then why does Sweden have fewer infections now than in 2020?

          They have never locked down….

          https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

        • Xabier says:

          They have muddied the waters quite brilliantly, Lidia; so we don’t see the monsters lurking….

          ADE and lethal side-effects could be disguised as a dangerous novel variant’.

          What would perhaps show up the truth is proper autopsies, and they have been suppresed everywhere since the beginning.

        • This is one of the academic articles that convinced me that the antibodies against the spike protein would not work for the Delta virus.

          https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.19.452771v1.full.pdf

          See table S1 (after the text)

          You will see that the mean antibodies when tested against the Wuhan version of the virus (D614G) were 346. Alpha was the first variant. Antibodies averaged 305. When we get to Delta (B.1.617.2) they were down to 78. If we compare 78 to 346, we can see it provides only 23% as much protection of this type.

          There are of course several articles after the fact. This is one that the CDC just published, looking at nursing home patients.

          https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm?s_cid=mm7034e3_w

          It concludes:

          Two doses of mRNA vaccines were 74.7% effective against infection among nursing home residents early in the vaccination program (March–May 2021). During June–July 2021, when B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant circulation predominated, effectiveness declined significantly to 53.1%.

          This is a study from Wisconsin:

          https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v3

          Using PCR threshold cycle (Ct) data from a single large contract laboratory, we show that individuals in Wisconsin, USA had similar viral loads in nasal swabs, irrespective of vaccine status, during a time of high and increasing prevalence of the Delta variant. Infectious SARS-CoV-2 was isolated from 51 of 55 specimens (93%) with Ct <25 from both vaccinated and unvaccinated persons, indicating that most individuals with Ct values in this range (Wilson 95% CI 83%-97%) shed infectious virus regardless of vaccine status. Notably, 68% of individuals infected despite vaccination tested positive with Ct <25, including at least 8 who were asymptomatic at the time of testing. Our data substantiate the idea that vaccinated individuals who become infected with the Delta variant may have the potential to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others.

          • Mike Roberts says:

            Thanks for the link. Though I still need to read through more carefully this preprint doesn’t seem to show that “the antibodies against the spike protein would not work for the Delta virus” and your quote seems to suggest that protection is reduced, not non-existent.

      • postkey says:

        Thanks. I did email the ‘virologist’. No reply to date.

  20. Bei Dawei says:

    Food prices in Armenia up 13.5 percent from last year, for several reasons:

    https://eurasianet.org/food-prices-in-armenia-hit-generational-high

  21. Fast Eddy says:

    47:30ish mark… 90%+ hospitalizations in israel are vaccinated

    https://thehighwire.com/videos/episode-228-a-sea-of-lies/

    • Minority of One says:

      Half way through, very good interview with “Former Federal Official Catherine Austin Fitts” who I have never heard of before. She makes a convincing case, which I have heard before, that all that has occurred over the last 18 months, and further back, is more to do with consolidating the power and wealth of the elite, rather than any great desire to kill off a large chunk of the population.

      Catherine does say she thinks there have been policies in place, in the USA at least, to lower the average age (due to lack of ability to pay out pensions), since 1998. Unfortunately, the interview does not touch on the subject of the vaxxes being used to kill off large numbers of people. Would have been interesting to get her view on that.

    • Also, about 1 hour 22 minutes, there is a long interview with Catherine Austin Fitts about the US government not publishing true financial statements and the planned digital currency for the world.

      I have run into Ms. Fitts on and off, going back to 2006. I think I heard her speak in person way back then. She has been very outspoken against governmental policies. I expect that quite a bit of what she says may be right.

      This is her page in Wikipedia.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Austin_Fitts

      It starts out:

      “Catherine Austin Fitts (born December 24, 1950) is an American investment banker and former public official who served as managing director of Dillon, Read & Co. and, during the Presidency of George H.W. Bush, as United States Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Housing. She has widely written and commented on the subject of public spending and has alleged several large scale instances of government fraud.”

    • By the way, the number of COVID cases and deaths keeps rising in Israel:

      https://ourfiniteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Israel-COVID-cases-and-deaths-Aug.-16-1024×592.png

      The Pfizer vaccine doesn’t work very well, for one thing.

  22. Fast Eddy says:

    In 1914 the elders and betters sent millions of young men to be slaughtered. Their new world order brought us the Holodomor, Belsen, Hiroshima, the Great Leap Forward, the Killing Fields and much more. https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/addicted-to-fear/

    the elders … holodomor…. someone is a Fast Eddy Groupie. Or might this be code to let Fast Eddy know — they are aware of his good work… and that his status as Saviour is acknowledged….

    • eddy

      you forgot to cap ‘His’

      a serious omission, which your followers will surely notice

      • Tim Groves says:

        An omission born of modesty, no doubt.

      • Lastcall says:

        U hummmm….guys, get with the program.

        The Episcopal Church has decided to revise its 1979 prayer book, so that God is no longer referred to by masculine pronouns.

        ‘Perhaps one of the most remarkable things ever said about God in the Hebrew Bible occurs in Exodus 3 when Moses first encounters the deity and asks for its name. In verse 14, God responds, “I am who I am,” which is simply a mixture of “to be” verbs in Hebrew without any specific reference to gender. If anything, the book of Exodus is clear that God is simply “being,” which echoes later Christian doctrine that God is spirit.

        In fact, the personal name of God, Yahweh, which is revealed to Moses in Exodus 3, is a remarkable combination of both female and male grammatical endings.’

        Nothing is sacred….

        https://theconversation.com/what-the-early-church-thought-about-gods-gender-100077

        • somehow—someone screaming ‘oh my yahweh’—just doesn’t do it for me

        • Religious scholars feel a need to write about something.

          The christian denominations seem to fall into two groups.

          1. The Liberal. They don’t believe the Bible is literally true. They certainly don’t believe the world was created in 6 days. They are very concerned about gay rights, the “femininity” of God, “Black Lives Matter,” and underdogs of all kinds. They generally support the Democratic Party in the US.

          2. The Conservatives. They tend to believe the Bible is literally true; the world was created in 6 days. The clergy should be male. Men should be in charge. Many of these groups support the Republican Party in the US.

          Both types of groups get involved with welfare programs for the many poor people who fall through the cracks of government programs. Also social programs for their own members.

          There actually are a lot of shades in between Liberal and Conservative. People will leave a congregation if they find that it is too liberal (or conservative) for their liking.

  23. Fast Eddy says:

    Enough of Clarke… (unless we get the Nanny-Gate pics…)

    IN A survey published at the weekend by the French newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche, an astonishing 43 per cent of respondents agreed with the statement ‘France is becoming a dictatorship’, and half thought that ‘the measures being taken by the government [introducing vaccine passports and mandating vaccinations] are dangerous’.

    In fact, to most of the paper’s questions regarding the degree to which the government of President Macron has got the balance right between coercion and individual choice, the split was almost exactly 50-50. This figure appears more accurately to reflect the polarisation of the country than the government’s boasting about the numerical superiority of its attempts to strong-arm people into getting vaccinated.

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/frances-vaccine-civil-war/

  24. Fast Eddy says:

    Hey Mirror…. guess what … Fast Eddy goes L4 in 4 hours … for a minimum of 3 days…. that means no skiing… no ice hockey … no VIP room at the Gents Club….

    Fast Eddy gonna have some time on his hands….

    He says He can feel your pain in advance….

  25. Fast Eddy says:

    L4 for all NZ even though the south island is covid free…

    Just in time to encourage everyone to get that useless Injection …

    • Xabier says:

      Jacinda, the toothy dominatrix, with a permanently pained expression…..

      My theory is that her early mentor, the vampire king Tony Blair, ‘turned’ her one evening, and she has not been truly alive since then.

  26. Fast Eddy says:

    Jessica is now 12 minutes late for the Pout Conference….

    I imagine she’s rehearsing in the back room … trying to pout and lie without laughing…

    If it were me and I knew this was all theatre I would for sure bust out laughing..

    I’d probably say — sweden had 841 cases yesterday and they are not locking down but we have 1 and we are going to lock your asses down bitches — how do you like me now????

  27. Fast Eddy says:

    My spies are telling me that north island goes into L4 total lockdown tonight … south island partial L2…..

    Clarke — your wife the donkey face is going to give us a few pouts at 6pm….

    Hey — does she practice that sh-it in front of a mirror …. It’s rather annoying … maybe you could tell her to tone it down a bit… she doesn’t have to pout at every press conference… if she overplays it she might end up like the Blue Steel guy … a running joke….

    Between guys/////I bet she pulled a serious pout when she discovered you’d put a bun in the nanny’s basket … huh… 🙂

    https://mondrian.mashable.com/2015%252F03%252F10%252Fcc%252Fferrarifina.00fc2.jpg%252Ffit-in__1200x9600.jpg

  28. Fast Eddy says:

    “Everyone in New Zealand is asked to stay calm, be kind and play their part while we gather more information on the potential case.”

    Be kind…. be kind?????

  29. Fast Eddy says:

    A positive case of Covid-19 has been identified in the Auckland community this afternoon and is being investigated.

    The Ministry of Health said in a statement today that a link between the case and the border or managed isolation had yet to be established.

    “The Auckland Regional Public Health unit is undertaking interviews with the case for contact tracing purposes.

    “While we collect more specific information all New Zealanders are reminded of the basic public health measures of mask wearing and hand washing.

    “In particular, anyone in Auckland catching public transport this afternoon or who cannot socially distance in public spaces should wear a mask as a precaution.”

    Cabinet is meeting by phone now and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is returning to Wellington now.

    The All of Government response group will meet at 3pm and Cabinet will get an officials briefing, including advice on what measures are needed, at 4.30pm.

    Cabinet ministers will then meet again and the Prime Minister will make a public statement after that, expected to be about 6pm.

    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/community-covid-case-identified-auckland

  30. Azure Kingfisher says:

    Just heard a funny story.

    In order to visit Tahiti one must be fully “vaccinated.”

    30 fully “vaccinated” tourists in Tahiti tested positive for COVID-19 today. They were about to depart for the US but are now under hotel quarantine in Tahiti for 10 days.

  31. Fast Eddy says:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1427283078993547267

    ‘they seemed friendly’

    That’s because the CIA and America are their new best mates… if not… there is no way in hell CNN would put someone into Kabul …

    MSM do not put people in the field in places like this because of the risks of beheading and kidnapping… they won’t generally even buy photos or stories from freelancers who are willing to take the risks because it’s perceived as encouraging them to risk their lives.

    There has been a deal done … 100%

  32. Lastcall says:

    A single delta variant looks like it may cause level 4 lockdown in north island NZ….
    My guess is that the medical industrial complex is going to get a Talibinning at the end of this fiasco

    • Lastcall says:

      But there is hope…..
      A new experiment is about to launch down here in Hermit Kingdom.

      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/449333/new-zealand-to-trial-new-covid-19-vaccine

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I sometimes wonder who these people are who sign up for these trials….

        Do they cut a deal with the suicide hotline and when they get a live one they say hey bud …. don’t blow your head off with the shotgun… that’s so messy … your mamma wants you to make a handsome corpse for the funeral….

        How about you come down to the xyz clinic and we’ll give you this experimental injection ….

        The hotline operators get $500 for every done deal?

    • Fast Eddy says:

      I’m just wondering when we get our single case… Jess is monitoring the Injection uptake … if it falters… we get punished…

      BTW – I was just reviewing Sweden 10M people

      No Lockdowns – No Masks — 840 cases yesterday – 0 deaths all week

      Aussie – 24M – Extreme Lockdowns – Masks – Military — 430 cases – 2 deaths – headlines shrieking…

      • Tim Groves says:

        I was also wondering about where this “case” came from. It’s like a Sherlock Holmes mystery. The Case of the First Case.

        I was also wondering what IS the point? Everyone is going to encounter this virus soon enough and almost everyone apart from the jabbed is going to develop immunity as a consequence. Since contact is inevitable, what’s the point of trying to keep the case count as close to zero as possible?

        Is there an epidemiologist in the house? if you can find one, ask him how we can stop people from catching colds and why we should bother to try.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Last week we were warned that if we got a single case of the Delta… we’d quickly be imprisoned…

          And… like magic!

          Panic buying toilet paper… why? … because they saw that on the tee vee and that’s what people do! Stoooooopid F7778889999ing MORE ONS.

          It’s a nice sunny day — I could be skiing right now

  33. Fast Eddy says:

    According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the unvaccinated make up 95% to 99% of COVID hospitalizations. But in a news clip shared by Fox News host Laura Ingraham, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky reveals how that data is “grossly misleading.”

    According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the White House and most mainstream media, what we have now is a “pandemic of the unvaccinated,” with 95% to 99% of COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths being attributed to the unvaccinated.

    To achieve that statistic, the CDC included hospitalization and mortality data from January through June. The vast majority of the U.S. population was unvaccinated during that timeframe.

    By Jan. 1 only 0.5% of the U.S. population had received a COVID shot. By mid-April, an estimated 31% had received one or more shots and as of June 15, 48.7% were fully “vaccinated.”

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-manipulated-data-create-pandemic-unvaxxed-narrative/

    Reports of Injuries, Deaths After COVID Vaccines Climb Steadily, as FDA, CDC Sign Off on Third Shot for Immunocompromised

    VAERS data released Friday by the CDC showed a total of 571,831 reports of adverse events from all age groups following COVID vaccines, including 12,791 deaths and 77,490 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and Aug. 6, 2021.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaers-cdc-injuries-deaths-covid-vaccines-fda-third-shot-immunocompromised/

    • Rodster says:

      Thanks for that link. In the past a drug would have been pulled with 50-100 deaths. With vaccine deaths pushing 13K, it’s now, just collateral damage.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I told that to the hotline medical person yesterday — she said she’s not familiar with the US stats only NZ… and the Ministry would not approve a vaccine if it was dangerous…

        CovIDIOTS are so trusting

  34. Fast Eddy says:

    Imagine how 8B people would react if they were informed the oil peaked in 2018… and that renewable energy was a fable… and that GW was another fairy tale to distract them from peaking oil.

  35. Fast Eddy says:

    it results in turning a huge cohort of naturally protected people into subjects who will soon become much more vulnerable because the virus is now becoming increasingly resistant to vaccinal Abs (which, despite poor functionality, are still able to suppress broadly protective innate Abs).

    it further augments pressure on viral infectiousness (i.e., on spike protein, which happens to be the target of all C-19 vaccines!) and, therefore, will only contribute to expediting viral evolution towards enhanced infectiousness (and eventually full resistance to anti-S Abs).

    As already mentioned, the higher viral infectivity rates grow, the more the incredibly precious innate immune capacity of the population gets eroded and the faster vaccine-mediated protection will wane as a result of enhanced evolution of the virus towards S-Ab-directed resistance.

    In the meantime – and for as long the C-19 vaccines protect against disease – mass vaccination is turning healthy people into asymptomatic breeding grounds and spreaders of evolving, more infectious variants, which is quite the opposite effect of what mass vaccination was supposed to do (i.e., to generate herd immunity). We only begin to see the early consequences of waning vaccine protection, erosion of innate immunity and fulminant expansion of steadily evolving, more infectious variants.

    This is to say that it is the complete lack of understanding of why morbidity rates are now increasing in younger age groups that now prompts short-sighted experts and politicians, who typically have no long-term antennae, to advocate for mass vaccination of younger age groups and children.

    As they obviously lack any kind of insight into the evolutionary dynamics of a pandemic and how those are driven by the interplay between viral infectious pressure and host immune pressure in the population, they don’t understand that mass vaccination of the younger age groups is only throwing fuel to the devastating fire of a self-amplifying vicious circle.

    I challenge any expert, regardless of reputation or qualifications, to invalidate or oppose my arguments in a public debate on a mainstream broadcasting channel. If that debate doesn’t take place, it should be very straightforward for youngsters, parents, guardians, or even the children themselves, to draw their own conclusions and decide what is best for themselves or the children.

    If we could only have politicians and short-sighted ‘experts’ hanging this sheet over their bed, we might finally be in a position where we could start cleaning up some of the mess they have made and put an end to all of the completely unacceptable and needless animosity it caused between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

    Time has come to turn all this chaos into a constructive effort that is finally driven by ‘Science’ and ‘Solidarity’!

  36. Fast Eddy says:

    The prolific GVB

    How remaining in the dark and turning in vicious circles inevitably leads to erroneous decisions

    Conducting mass vaccination campaigns on a background of high infection rates generates optimal conditions for breeding even more infectious Sars-CoV-2 variants. The combination of massive, spike-directed immune pressure combined with high infectious pressure rapidly allows these variants to reproduce more effectively such as to outcompete previously circulating variants/ strains. Mass vaccination, therefore, promotes viral evolution towards more infectious variants.

    The resulting enhancement of viral infectious pressure makes it more likely for everyone, including healthy, unvaccinated people to come in contact with the virus, especially in times where infection prevention measures are loosened. To the extent that high infection rates cause people to become re-exposed shortly after a previous asymptomatic infection, their innate Sars-CoV-binding antibodies (Abs) will be suppressed by short-lived, poorly functional anti-spike Abs, known to not be responsible for preventing the infection from becoming symptomatic.

    It is precisely the suppression of these broadly protective innate Abs that makes previously asymptomatically infected individuals more susceptible to disease. It is also precisely this phenomenon that explains why a first wave of a natural pandemic is followed by a second wave in younger age groups.

    The even bigger amplitude of that second wave merely reflects the overwhelming contribution of a population’s innate immunity to its overall immune protective capacity. So, this is why we’re now seeing more and more disease in younger age groups, and even children, although they were perfectly protected during previous waves. Extending mass vaccination campaigns to these younger age groups is the most irresponsible public health proposal (decision?) ever as

    https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/how-remaining-in-the-dark-and-turning-in-vicious-circles-inevitably-leads-to-erroneous-decisions

  37. CTG says:

    At some point of time over the past years, I felt that I had the capability to see things on a macro level far greater than anyone else in my circle here. I do have difficulties talking to people because I can see immediately the ramifications of what they have done. It is like my mind is calculating what will happen next and what will be that person’s response and what I have to say to him and then what will his response be. It looks like I can go through all the possible scenarios quickly and easily. Thus, with this kind of thoughts, I am always a few steps ahead of what others are thinking.

    You can see many things that the normal people cannot see. When I see something amiss, my mind tend to go “berserk” and trying to find out the “why”. It will not stop until I get the answer. Many simple observations that I made tend to surprise people because they don’t even see it.

    Example : correct me if I am wrong – I find that when people are walking around in a field or something similar, they tend to go counter clockwise. A large majority will do that. My observation was confirmed when I realized that in athletics, they run counterclockwise. Why?

    It is perhaps with this “capability”, it is very easy for me to know about peak resources, all sorts of scams, politics, etc.

    Perhaps many of you all here have this type of capability.

    Do you think this is a “gift” or a “curse”?

    • Kowalainen says:

      Well, if you’re generally curious that’s good isn’t it?

      Unfortunately the implications of being a master of observation makes it mostly a private affair, because people demand the lie. It is way easier/effective to operate subconscious (reflexive) under the false flag of hopium and worldly attachments.

      Dwelling on ideas burn energy for no discernible benefit in raw evolutionary terms, as in survival of your own kin. However, if you’ve concluded that operating an efficient (in evolutionary terms) civilization (and biosphere) needs something more than perpetual boom and bust cycles.

      • CTG says:

        Imagine having the power of a Superman but cannot use it to help others just because people cannot see eye to you. It seems to be a curse to me but I did not feel that way.

        It is not easy but to keep quiet all the time and this is especially true when I talk to the “smartest people in the room” where you have the hotshots from investment banking, consulting people, PhD, etc

        Especially when they talk about how great EV is to the world of climate change.

        • MM says:

          You might like the movie “Hancock”

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I always chuckle when someone is referred to as ‘the smartest guy in the room’…. and he believes the govt did not organize 911, we have been to the moon (many times), we are causing GW, he drives a Tesla (but also has a Porsche and Range Rover ICE) and his roof is made of solar panels….

          Biggest Delusional Ass Hole in the room.

    • Tim Groves says:

      It’s a gift, definitely. But perhaps it’s a gift that you’ve been cursed with.

      That was basically the problem Cassandra had to deal with.

      Now, a large majority of people are right-handed. Could it be that the right-handed tend to go counter-clockwise while the left-handed tend to go clockwise?

      And if so, why could that be?

      Perhaps, because for most people one side of the body is more powerful than the other, people tend to move around fields in the direction that allows them to keep their most powerful side on the outside, as this is the side of the body that has to do more work when turning.

      There is also the old idea about keeping the arm holding the weapon on the outside of any curve one is making, where it is more useful in a confrontation. This can be very useful when fighting in armed combat in the style of gladiators, or even in unarmed combat in the style of wrestlers.

      As for the capability to see things on a macro level far greater than anyone else, I would suggest that your consciousness is broad enough and deep enough to take in a lot of peripheral data as well as data linked only directly to your present “now” and to view it as real and relevant.. A majority of people are much more limited in what they are aware of at any one time. Their map of reality has fewer bits and bytes of data in it. Joined-up thinking and a view of the wider world or the broader implications of things is beyond their cognitive ability.

      For cats and dogs, the situation is even simpler. While most human beings have much more complex mental lives than dogs and cats do and there is a tremendous gulf between our abilities and theirs, I think TV, the internet and smartphones have done a lot to narrow the gap.

      • CTG says:

        Tim, thanks for your reply. Your thought on Cassandra was apt but she was more of a “seer” who can see the future (as what we know from the stories). For me, it is seriously a cases of seeing the forest instead of the trees but now, it is not even the forest but the entire econsystem far and beyond what the eye can see. It is really frsutrating.

        As for the who walk counter clockwise, it was an observation and I noted that it has nothing to do with which brain is more dominant. “It just happens”. Is it happening in Japan?

        • Tim Groves says:

          You’re welcome. In answer to your question about walking counter-clockwise in Japan, I must say that I have never thought about this phenomenon, so I can’t say for certain. But from memory, when a group of athletes or school pupils are running around a field, they tend to go counterclockwise – all other things being equal. In future, when I’m passing a field where people are exercising, I will be on the lookout for which way round they go.

          If I can be allowed to interpret your words, you seem to be saying that your awareness of the world is too broad for comfort and that it is frustrating or uncomfortable to be able to “see” that far. If you had eyes that showed the world in such a perspective—both telescopic and panoramic at the same time—you could correct your vision with suitable spectacles that narrowed or restricted the view. Since the things you are seeing are “in the mind’s eye”,I wonder, is there a cognitive equivalent that you could employ.

          Does your “vision” stem from the work you have done over many years? The type of work somebody does can train their mind to think in certain ways. For instance, Gail as an actuary would have developed an actuary’s way of seeing the world. I can imagine her looking at a street and seeing the asset values and depreciation values of all the buildings and cars in view, as clearly as if they all had labels attached. I know some integrated circuit designers who can hold a huge amount of visual and measurement data about the layout of a chip, as if they had an atlas of the device in their minds.

          My own “over the horizon view” includes a sort of personal Google Earth function. In my imagination, I can zoom out from my present position, fly across vast distances, and then zoom into a location I am familiar with. However, this only works for places I am familiar with, either by visiting or living in them or from viewing maps of them. But this knowledge allows me to make observations such as, upon seeing an airplane in the sky, being able to make a good guess as to its airport of origin and whether it is a domestic or international flight. I can also estimate how rainfall further upstream is likely to affect the flow of the river flowing through my local town by “seeing” (imagining) based on weather maps the rain falling in various places and running down the canyons and streams and into the tributaries that make up the river. It’s all very much “elementary” to me, but most people have little awareness of such things.

          • Xabier says:

            ‘If you can look into the seeds of time, and say which seed will grow, and which will not, speak then unto me!’

            I now cannot resist seeing Tim and CTG in the roles of the witches in the Scottish play, on a blasted heath in dismal nearly-free Scotchland, with a touch of Monty Python about it……

            I might join you as the third, I’m great in drag darlings, and come over all clairvoyant now and then !

            • Xabier says:

              I hasten to add, I usual, visualise CTG as a sage in flowing silk robes, under a plum tree unwinding a scroll; and Tim as the dashing Richard Chamberlain in ‘The English Samurai’ series of long ago.

              Myself, google ‘The Burial of Count Orgaz’ by El Greco. I’m the dead count…..

            • Tim Groves says:

              At the risk of courting an unlucky day,
              let’s quote now from the Scottish play.

              When shall we three meet again,
              in Thunder, Lightning, or in Rain?

              When the Hurley-burley’s done,
              when the Battle’s lost and won,
              that will be e’er set of Sun,
              where the place?

              Upon the heath,
              there we go to meet Macbeth.
              There we’ll perform our magic rites,
              and raise such artificial Sprights
              as by the strength of their illusion
              shall draw him on to his confusion

              we’ll double, double, toil and trouble,
              and make our hell broth boil and bubble!

            • Tim Groves says:

              The Burial of Count Orgaz—this is a spectacular painting. There is a lot in it.

              https://3minutosdearte.com/en/fundamental-paintings/el-greco-the-burial-of-the-count-of-orgaz-1586/

              Is it true that women did not attend Spanish funerals in those days?

            • Xabier says:

              It’s a wonderful painting, glad I once got to see it in situ.

              I believe women – above all ladies – did not usually attend funerals, or at least the actual burials, in many European countries, until quite recently, due to notions of their ‘delicacy’ and also the very nasty state of graveyards and vaults.

              If we go really far back, there was a compulsory female participation, by the slaves who were killed in order to follow their master.

              The last funeral of this kind was of a Grand Duke of Lithuania in the 14th century, the very last of the pagan European rulers – but I believe they just killed his hunting dogs and horses and threw them on the pyre, on which he lay in full armour.

              A vague echo of this custom was found in the unsaddled horse led to the grave of a gentleman, which persisted into the 20th century.

          • CTG says:

            Tim and Xabier,

            Since young, I have many arguments with teachers in school because we don’t see eye to eye and what they taught, sometimes were wrong. I read a lot since young.

            It is not related to work and I felt that I was born to it. At work, as an engineer, it is hard for me to work with others because they are so focused on being data-driven that they cannot see beyond what they are doing. With that kind of work mentality/attitude or whatever, it spilled over into their lives where they are also so narrow-minded. Cannot see the forest from the trees and at times become intellectually lazy, believing that “good sources” say regardless of stupid or untrue they become (like Masks helps when they know that the virus is so small compared to the holes in the masks). They just go along and believe everything that is being spood-fed to them without any questions. No one asks any hard questions anymore.

            My observational skills are not related to what my wife’s hairstyle is/was. She always say that I am not observant because I did not know if she has cut her hair or not. See, these are all “minor observations”. I am more into major ones that are peculiar like the idea that practically all the people walk counterclockwise. A few other things that I realized in my world here is that things don’t happen in front of me. For example, in Malaysia, the number of auto accidents is really a lot. I travelled a lot but why is it over the 30 years of driving, I have never seen one accident in action? It is always after or just after the accident happened? The other was meteor (shooting star). I was made to believe that it is very common but over the last 30-40 years, why have I not seen one?

            Lunar calendar is a great calendar, so called invented by the Chinese. It can predict the phases of the moon correctly all the time. This calendar has many interesting stuff like leap month and some of the cycles are very long – 60 years, etc. So, the question I would like to ask is that in the older days (perhaps 2000 or 3000 years ago), how did the ancient people manage to get this calendar correct? If some cycles are 60 years, how are they going to tell the next person “Please check out this event 60 years later”? Where they do write it down? How do they passed down? I see no way that some primitive tribe can come out with something that is so complex.

    • Xabier says:

      The curse comes from letting others know one’s unorthodox thoughts……..

      • You are probably right.

      • The curse comes from being extremely limited as to where one can share one’s thoughts and amongst what company.

        • Xabier says:

          Quite so, Lidia.

          Knowledge and Wisdom can, as the sages have always said, be as lonely as death itself…..

          I found some like-minded people on the train to London last week and we had a good chat about things. Very resistant to the vaccine brain-washing. It was refreshing.

          Also some staff in shops had worked out clues in the pandemic puzzle – just the sort of conversations masks and isolation were designed to stop!

          Curious that they were all ‘low-status’ people of only basic education, but good observers, logical, and they could smell BS – but I only meet with resistance from the ‘highly educated’ who have all been taken over by the Covid Cult.

          ‘Education’ does indeed blunt perceptions and drive out native good sense.

    • MM says:

      This question can not be answered but is directly related to the personal perspective you like to take:

      You might want to read the inspiring text by Samo Burja:
      https://thesideview.co/journal/why-civilizations-collapse/

      The opposite end of it is the “Great Founder Theory” also by Samo Burja:
      https://samoburja.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Great_Founder_Theory_by_Samo_Burja_2020_Manuscript.pdf

      If we look at the works of George Mobus: https://questioneverything.typepad.com/
      He was a long standing defender of some sort of sapience theory.

      If we look at (no personal bias here) Germany before WWI, we had an environment where a “CTG Type” could really get things done.
      Some people say, there was a deliberate attack going on towards this “attitude”, I am not sure. I tend to deliberate stupidity for short term profits.

      Well we had a lot of icecream, coke and frozen pizza.

      Have you decided to be a looser? What was your evolutionary benefit in person and for the species? none.
      Hard lesson.
      I am happy with it, because for example as the cold war was on, we could have held to the the illusion of an “outside”.
      In a simulation with differential equations, you always suffer problems with boudary situations. To set the constants right, you can set the system in a state and measure other values.
      2008 was the first experiment like this when they flipped the switch on “Lehman Bros.”
      They were able to set all the values for their models.
      Now the model has been switched into “production mode” for the whole world.
      All the equations now seem to solve themselves or “null themselves out” as we could say from complexity view.

      We are now “dropped” (?) or “forced by lazyness” (?) in this “state” together and the prison mates look more and more like mates in a psychatric asylum.
      An exit may exist but as in “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” you can only make it if the other inmates have some senses left. While that is not the case:

      water your flowers and talk to yourself while staring out of the window and blinking into the sun.

      • Thanks for the links!

        Samo Butja, in the first link you give says,

        We should seriously consider the possibility that we are a post-industrial society not in a positive sense, but in the sense that in our society the Industrial Revolution has stopped.

        With less and less energy, I am afraid Samo Butjia may be right.

        George Mobus says,

        I explored the phenomenon of human evolution that led to our current species with the brain capacity I dubbed “sapience”, what I came to see as the brain basis for the capacity to gain wisdom. . .What I found is that while sapience had emerged in the hominid line, it was underdeveloped relative to the species’ capacity for cleverness (intelligence + creativity). Humans are good at solving problems, especially by creating new artifacts, but do not stop to consider long-term consequences. They are motivated primarily by greed, laziness, and fear, as these were necessary motivations in the context of biological evolution and the human condition in the late Pleistocene. Humans have always looked for an “easier” way, a way to accumulate more stuff (initially food), and were always primed to encounter danger.

        In my opinion, now we seem to be seeing a whole lot of cleverness.

        George Mobus later says,

        I still think that we are observing an evolutionary event, where the pandemic is a major selective force. Those unwise enough to not moderate their greed, subdue their fear, and overcome their laziness will eventually succumb to the environment generated by the pandemic. The wise will inherit the Earth..

        It would be nice if the wise would inherit the Earth, but right now we seem to be up against the clever.

        • Artleads says:

          “We should seriously consider the possibility that we are a post-industrial society not in a positive sense, but in the sense that in our society the Industrial Revolution has stopped.”

          I sense this too. Like being in that Wile E. Coyote space.

        • Tim Groves says:

          A word to the wise. Sometimes the clever can be too clever by half.

          I’ve always wondered about the implications of that latter turn of phrase. If we try to check it out online, the first “hit” that comes up says this:

          Too clever by half was coined in George J. Whyte-Melville’s 1858 book, ”The Interpreter,” and means ”too smart for one’s own good. ” It is a Britishism – like early on, good show and have a go – that has crossed the Atlantic but still retains its British flavor.

          I didn’t know that. These search engines are extremely clever IMHO. We must learn to use them wisely.

      • CTG says:

        MM, I find it interesting that educated people can be turned off our shut off instantly when you start to talk about things that they don’t know. I find it fascinating that many of my friends of many years will just shut off when you start to ask about flat earth or something else. The reactions are always very predictable. It is like that ” don’t talk about it”. It is like they have hit a programming limitation. Imagine a robot (with AI) that you are talking to and you start to veered towards something that shows that he is a robot. Then what happens, this robot will shut you down on that topic, avoid that topic or just do something else.

        The main reason I am looking more into the simulation theory is that they seem to answer all the questions that I have in my mind. I have also experienced some incidences that point to one.

        Yes… we seems to be hitting the limits of our environment, but in this forum, we see forum-ers here hitting the limits of
        simulation where they see weird stuff in and around their surroundings (like super dumbing down)

        I stand corrected in a way that I always accept that if I am wrong, I will change but as of today, I have to find a better answer.

        • MM says:

          If you want to dive deeper into that matter check out Thomas Campbell “my big toe” available as trilogy in one large volume.
          It is a precise documentation about the simulation.
          Sometimes a bit lengthy but I got a lot of insights from it that you may also relate to faith karma and so on.

          The topic is difficult: Afaik Campbell has a website with a forum where people can engage in discussions…

    • People who are able to see the broader picture tend to gravitate to this site.

      If people are convinced everything they read in Main Street Media is true, they will think we are a little crazy. if the news reports say that everything is fine, and the economy is growing well, they are happy for the great news They don’t see that the situation cannot be sustainable for very long. The economy depends on resources per capita. If the resources aren’t there, we have a big problem. We can’t print resources.

      • Xabier says:

        The MSM in the UK is full of news about the uncontrollable recovery of the economy, just booming. It makes one weep….

    • Curse.

      I’m probably not as bright as you are, CTG, or at least I haven’t manifested it in real life. But it’s often been obvious to me that “if A, then Z” in certain senses.. while other people, even smart people, had to go through “A, B, C, D, etc.. ” in the best of cases, and still many times don’t seem to get to Z.

      I belonged to a “retire early” forum back in the 2000s. I remember writing, “yeah, gold at $300/oz. is probably wildly undervalued.” Did I buy a lot of gold? No, I didn’t buy any. (Have a bit of jewelry and a few inherited coins and that’s it.)

      Seeing something and acting on it are two different things. Sometimes I feel as though my arms and hands are literally tied, and that I am frozen in a dream.

      I went through my “berserk” phase in 2007-2008, when the market crashes suggested that I look into what money was, and where interest came from. Since I was already a bit aware of peak oil and the LtG, I then came to understand that a debt-money system can only work in a world of expanding exploration and production, and that the basis for expanding monetary regimes was going away if not already gone. For a while I was quite nauseous day-to-day and, like the kid in the Sixth-Sense movie, “saw dead people”.

      That comes and goes now, and another couple of chapters of my life along with that of my husband have been lived since then. I don’t think my awareness has helped, except to get us out of a gorgeous place where every single chicken needs to have a health certificate.

      See the post I’m about to write about the potluck (party) from Hell!

      • CTG says:

        Lidai17 – all of us who came here and stayed here, we have done our research, faithfully and dutifully. It is because of this research, we gather here. Those who did not do any research on their own will leave after a short while, either being shot by FE or just could not fit in.

        There is no such thing as being smart or not. It is a matter of being early to this or not. Gail is probably one of the earliest and mine was very early too. Probably 2003-2004.

        We are all open minded and will accept and change our worldview if we are wrong. We don’t go about and spread the word because the world is not ready to accept that.

        It was only in 2020 (during the lockdown) when I had personal communication with another fellow commenter (TEOTEWAKI) that we realized that it is extremely likely (for me, there is no doubt) that we are in a simulation. Too many coincidences happening that are statistically not possible especially synchronicities..

        Anyone who is interested can contact me directly at GMail with the address chngtg

      • Fast Eddy says:

        In 2007 I went into a panic and bought quite a bit of gold and $700 and change … sold some of it as 1800+ and some more around 1500… blew the winnings on travel … fast cars… VIP lounges… and so on….

        I also have felt unable to act over the past 5 or so years… take for instance this idea I have that I am sure would make Big Money….. I was an investor in a business manufacturing and distributing high end air purifiers… it was based in Shanghai …. we ended up selling that…

        But anyway … I was at a friend’s place in Hong Kong and he had these air purifiers in his apartment …. long story short … he had to fart and his wife apparently does not appreciate that so he went over to the Hepa filter machine and let loose ripper….

        The wife looked at him shaking her head…. after a pause to sniff the air he proclaimed — See – no smell!

        The machine had sucked the fart through the filter…. and extruded fresh air….

        I got to thinking what if we put a hepa filter into one of those mini vacuums and called it The Fart Sucker…

        Hire Homer Simpson as the spokesman … pay for some product placement where Homer blows a big one … and Marge and the kids hold their noses and moan …. then Lisa invents this Fart Sucker machine … and Homer pulls that out every time he has a Big One ready to unleash….

        Normally I would have Acted Immediately on this idea… we’re talkin private jets… mega yachts … kinda money ….

        But to this day I have not done anything … because I am thinking … what’s the point …. the world is ending …

        Can you imagine meeting the special people … and they ask – so what do you do for a living?

        Oh … well I invented the Fart Sucker…. and the wives say — Mr Fast Eddy — you are our saviour … you should feature our husbands in a TVC….

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    Zev… zev… zev…..

    28:15 mark … ‘if this is genocide then why is not a single government pushing back’

    Great Question!

    Zev suggests it’s because the leaders are being bribed and threatened…. oh I see… we want you to help us kill everyone … and we’ll give you money to play along .. take the money or we kill your family

    I struggle with this … if it’s genocide then surely money is irrelevant … and how does threatening people who will be killed anyway…. make them stand down?

    The only way I can see consensus from politicians and the MSM… with support from key medical professionals… is if genocide (actually extinction) was already baked in …. so you present these two choices — compassionate extinction — or ripping of faces extinction … obviously everyone goes with the former… reduce the suffering

    That is what I would do (even though I despise humans and believe they are all wicked vile beasts… )

    https://rumble.com/vl4u7t-dr.-zev-zelenko-slays-globalists-exposes-global-genocidal-event.html

    • CTG says:

      Perhaps we are living in a simulation and it is time for the Creator to end this ?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        That is the direction I lean towards…

      • Kowalainen says:

        Perhaps the ‘simulation’ carry some attachments. It’s all very adorable.

        No I don’t believe in the simulation hypotheses. For me to believe in it I have to know that which is running the simulation.

        I know that my brain hallucinates the broad outline of everything that I experience, so in a sense it is already a simulation of something that can’t be fully comprehended. Needless to say, science is basically clueless of what it is that in the biological “CPU” that gives the phenomena, ‘qualia’, or suchness. In and of itself. An universe of its own.

        I’m quite attached being sentient and sapient. The smoke and mirrors is for the most part okay.

        • CTG says:

          You will not believe you are in one until you do.

          • CTG, what is your definition of “simulation”? That we eat meat and vegetable products to gain energy day-to-day doesn’t seem to be a simulation to me, while in other aspects of life it’s easier to see oneself “going through the motions”.

            That our political efforts might change material outcomes, or that we ourselves have some kind of individual importance is likely to be untrue, but it doesn’t mean we’re entirely in a simulation.

            What is the point of a simulation? Why simulate that which could play itself out without simulation? Why exert that extra effort?

            • CTG says:

              If you have watched the movie The Matrix or Truman Show, then you will know what I mean. Nothing is real

            • Kowalainen says:

              Rejecting objective reality seem a bit far fetched. Obviously something is going on after all.

            • CTG says:

              Kowalainen – define reality

            • Kowalainen says:

              That which reacts to my stimuli. I.e. I poke you in the eye and all of a sudden my nose starts bleeding.

              Obviously there is something that causes the hurtz and oh noes after our hypothetical unfriendly exchange and that same thing now causes text to be written down right in front of me. I boldly assume you experience the same thing as you type your stuff down? If that isn’t rather peculiar, then what is?

              Here’s a curious exercise: Think about that there is something that is writing down the text while you type. That’s an odd feeling, as in wafting away the smoke and mirrors while your brain is on autopilot churning away pushing and popping from short term memory and the text just appears out of nowhere.

              What is then the first cause? (Epi)genetic “memory”, a (partial)lifetime of memories and your question/comment as input plus some thermal noise and the usual nonlinear physics stuff going on in the universe and brain in extension.

              Before we can answer if the universe, or human “experience” is simulation, first we need to know what is that doing the “simulation”.

              If answers to shallow questions don’t make much sense, we’d rather just call it “the universe” and our brains as biological CPU’s embedded within.

              Put bluntly: Describe to me that which is running the simulation otherwise it isn’t.

              K.I.S.S. principle.

            • CTG, who do you think is the Architect/Director in this case?

    • DB says:

      It doesn’t take knowledge of ultimate motivations for most politicians, corporate titans, government officials, scientists, doctors, and the media to play along. The standard propaganda works on them, and if the deal is sweetened with extra money, privileges, and the like, all the better.

  39. CTG says:

    I have been to Otaru Hokkaido in late spring of 2018. Great place. Fantastic food, people and culture. I truly loved the hustle and bustle of that town with all the tourist jostling around to buy local stuff and savour some of the best food I have taken.

    Check out the webcam for the situation today. It has been a ghost town since last March. I think Japan is still closed to foreigners. Even if I am there now (magically), I think there will be nothing much to see as most of the shops may be closed.

    https://www.stv.jp/webcam/otaru/index.html

    I been to the Japanese Alps in 2014 and stayed Takayama. A quaint, quiet place with good sake. Today, there are only local tourists.

    https://www.takayama-dp.com/live/

    Looking at things happening now….. it still amaze me that people are thinking that by a certain year in future (perhaps 2022), people will be back to these places again and life will be normal.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      For all intents and purposes… live ended…soon after Covid was unleashed.

      We are all in the hospice…. waiting….

    • MonkeyBusiness says:

      I hope to be able to visit Japan again a couple of times before the collapse. I’ve been studying Japanese for a couple of years now, and I am not fluent enough to converse about everyday life with native Japanese people. Touristy stuff is not a problem obviously.

      Perhaps it’s the only country in the world where I would occasionally feel that I am home.

      • Kowalainen says:

        No, you won’t. You’ll actually feel quite alien. And that is what you desire. If you want the East Asian character with the “flair”, I’d go for Taiwan or China post the CCP cronies. The Taiwanese always leave a good impression on me.

        They embody the mantra of “let’s make technology and monies while not forgetting who we are”.. What’s not to like about that?

        Try working in Japan, you’ll feel bewildered at the code and etiquette. Being a western ‘disruptor’ that just want to get things done is scoffed at upon there. The narrow mindedness of an ancient patriarchal way that seeks consensus (seeks collective subconscious) above all.

        Working with japs good in English and ‘expat’ experience is quite sublime. They seem generally quite relieved working with the “crazy” westerns, no pressure, alien mentality with less shits to give…

        It is no wonder people commit mass suicide over there.

        But don’t get me wrong; I love Japan in measured amounts.

        ☺️

        • Tim Groves says:

          You mean “group” suicide, I expect. Lonely, exhausted people who are tired of living but don’t want to die alone so they meet others with similar aims and commit suicide in twos or threes.

          Not real “mass suicides/murders” like Jonestown or Heaven’s Gate.

          The Japanese salaryman lifestyle can be a real pressure cooker, and male salaried workers have a much higher suicide rate than either their female colleagues or the self-employed. There is a lot of not-so-good old-fashioned bullying going on in a lot of workplaces and, just as you say, a lot of people take things much too seriously which causes them to work too many hours and develop too many mental and physical health issues.

          Worse than that, the Covid caper has put off limits that salaryman’s lifeline and escape valve—the karaoke snack. In major cities and surrounding areas, they are all closed until sometime in September.

          • Kowalainen says:

            Right, pardon my English. It isn’t what it should be. Of course I meant the overall rather high suicide rate in society.

            Regarding clockwise and counterclockwise, I’m left handed and I naturally follow the Coriolis effect, its how my crap goes down the tubes in the northern hemisphere.

            I’m not the contrarian, it’s the schmucks going counterclockwise that is.

        • MonkeyBusiness says:

          Well, I am not naive enough to think that everything’s peachy in Japan. If I were to live and work in Japan, there’s no way I would be working at a Black Company for example. For the uninitiated, Black Companies are companies with terrible working conditions.

          I’d probably join an international company where the working condition would be a lot better.

          Also, the whole thing about disrupting being looked down over there is overblown. People seem to forget that many Japanese companies are still world class. You can disrupt things, but you have to do it the Japanese way, not the Gaijin way. Americans seem to think that other people want to live like Americans. That’s been proven wrong again and again.

  40. adonis says:

    are the elders planning collapse? I know someone… ministerial advisor… attends Davos and they spooked me 2 weeks ago… they said they’re going to let the banks fail… and they’re trying to work out which industries to save. I was told to get out of the stock market, get out of debt and buy property so you survive the coming currency reset. I don’t believe the currency is going to be convertible. They said we’re going back to a “more Bear Grylls” way of living… The time frame I’m working to is March – November ’21.
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    • adonis says:

      just to clarify i found this post about the ministerial advisor on peakoil.com which was posted on sunday the 15th of November 2020 from someone calling himself warpig we shall see if it comes true get your popcorn boys and girls.

  41. Kowalainen says:

    ”CNN reporter outside Kabul embassy:

    “They’re just chanting ‘Death to America’ but they seem friendly at the same time.”

    … While the Taliban were tweeting from their mobile phones connected to the internet.

    That’s some red hot “scorching” “hate” for the United States . With other words: Give us the goddamned MIC goodies while we’ll pretend to hate ‘ya. Btw, thanks for the cell towers and internet. The arms will surely be useful too. Thanks.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      This does give the appearance of a staged event…. somehow I don’t think the Tally Boys would normally allow a western report to be on the scene… without slicing his head off…

      This is one of those … the lady doth protest too much moments…

    • Xabier says:

      Sounds reminiscent of the staged ‘Hate on America’ protests in Iran, where the greatest danger is accepting an invitation to eat too much greasy lamb at someone’s home, a welcome guest….

      The MSM doth protest too much.

  42. Yoshua says:

    Anjali, the DoD intelligence officer who claims to be in contact with ET’s, will hold a press conference in D.C. tomorrow. Later this year a team will go to the Mojave desert to a ET base. This will prepare the world for ET contact.

    Well…this sounds crazy even for me…

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E87OgAKUYAYr8Wp?format=jpg&name=large

    • Ed says:

      It is a good part of the psyop to keep people lost and confused.

      Yes, even I am in contact with an off world intelligent species. They sent a probe to our solar system. They have probes in two billion solar systems in the galaxy. The probe in our solar system spawns sub-probes to visit Earth and talk with the locals. Mine visitor is called Spike, it appears the probe is quite taken with the work of Joss Whedon. Spike visits about once per week. Spike asks about the current state of the world. In turn Spike tells me about the other galactic civilization his people the circle’s center have discovered and talked with.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Eureka!!!

        The Injection IS infused with sinister substance… and what the Elders are doing is culling the MOREons… they start with simple PR and get the low hanging (low IQ) fruit to inject… then the offer rewards…(that never materialize)…. then coercion … each time they get more commits…

        At some point no matter what they do … there are some people who refuse….

        This is when the activate the sinister substance … and kill all the injected.

        Those remaining are the Best and the Brightest … and the aliens have only enough space for so many … so you kill to birds with one stone with the injection … you cull the MOREons… and you reduce the numbers to manageable levels….

        The B&B then rocket off to Planet New Earth…. and everyone lives happily ever after … except for the CovIDIOTs…

    • Bei Dawei says:

      I find it difficult to believe that any Dod intelligence officer would be in contact with Entertainment Tonight. The morning talk shows, sure.

    • It does sound crazy, I agree.

    • Kowalainen says:

      All I need to know is: Is there any hot alien broads in it for me, and do they got some cool tech that could crank my perception of objective reality into high-fidelity? I’m tired of the dimwit between my deaf ears and myopic eyes.

      Something like that with the lizard eyes:
      https://i.pinimg.com/236x/8f/d1/d9/8fd1d953cd983dd497d833b2e7273cb1–sigourney-weaver-working-girls.jpg

      Kthx…
      🤣👍👍

  43. Ed says:

    What is up

    1) ramp down international travel
    2) ramp down medical system including staffing
    3) maintain Australia and New Zealand as virgin territory
    4) leave Afghanistan

    #1 save oil?
    #2 can’t pay social security, pensions
    #3 no clue
    #4 leave Korea, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, KSA

  44. Mirror on the wall says:

    The indignity of it all – and in front of the entire world. It is difficult to see how USA will recover geopolitically from this. Which is not to say that it will not – what is a dumbed down population for but market and labour expansion and gullibility to state narratives?

    ‘Ahhhhhhh……. splat!’

    > Evacuation flights halted after US soldiers shoot dead two armed Afghans while three are run over by taxiing military jets, and more plunge to their deaths after clambering on the fuselage – as UN say Taliban have started ‘targeted killings’

    Evacuation flights out of Kabul were suspended as at least seven people have killed – including two armed Afghans trying to storm a plane – amid increasingly chaotic scenes in Afghanistan. Three stowaways fell hundreds of feet to their deaths after climbing on to a military jet as it took off while hundreds of other people have been seen trying to cling to planes as they taxi down the runway. US flights were halted for 90 minutes as soldiers cleared the runway of desperate Afghans trying to flee from the Taliban. Senior US military officials have said at least seven people have been killed at the airport, including the two armed men who tried to board a plane and the three people seen falling from a C-17 after it had taken off. Three people were also run over by a C-17 as it took off. It comes as Afghanistan’s representative to the UN’s security council Ghulam M. Isaczai said there were already reports of targeted killings and looting in the capital since the Taliban took control yesterday.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9897201/Terror-Kabul-airport-Troops-fire-shots-air-desperate-Afghans-climb-airbridges.html

    • Ed says:

      The purpose of the CCP puppet is to destroy the U.S.. This is right on track.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        I would have thought that the USA was quite ‘capable’ of destroying itself – but I suppose that blaming others is part and parcel of that dementia.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Of course all of the media in USA and UK are now trying to distance themselves from the debacle that was the entire USA/ NATO occupation of Afghanistan. USA media has it pinned down as akin to ‘Saigon’ but UK media is more liable to see it through the lens of ‘Suez’. UK has been there and done that already, the moment when it really sinks in that global hegemony is well and truly over.

      USA got lucky, stealing everyone else’s inventions and intellectual property, and sitting back while Europe exhausted itself in two world wars as the British Empire refused to allow other powers to emerge on the continent. USA actually had the arrogance to declare that it was the ‘final winner’ at the ‘end of history’ after the Berlin Wall came down. Historians may be more inclined to surmise that it concocted all of the most self-destructive tendencies of the modern period into a lethal brew for itself.

      > Biden’s statement ‘washing hands’ of Afghanistan ‘is one of most shameful in US history’: Left and right-wing media unite in condemnation of America’s ‘chaotic retreat’ and ‘betrayal’ of Afghan people

      Media outlets across the political divide in the US and Britain have united in their condemnation over America’s handling of the Afghanistan crisis amid what is being billed the biggest foreign policy catastrophe in 65 years. The Wall Street Journal condemned Joe Biden’s statement ‘washing his hands’ of the situation, saying it should ‘go down as one of the most shameful in history by a Commander in Chief at such a moment of American retreat’. As the Taliban seized Kabul, a CNN columnist said the ‘debacle of the US defeat and chaotic retreat in Afghanistan’ was a ‘political disaster’ for the US President and slammed his ‘failure to orchestrate an urgent and orderly exit’. And an opinion writer in The Atlantic said there was enough blame attached for the Afghanistan crisis to ‘fill a library of books’, condemning the ‘betrayal’ of the Afghan people as he placed the ‘burden of shame’ on Mr Biden. Meanwhile a New York Post editorial said Mr Biden’s claims that he ‘inherited’ his predecessor Donald Trump’s withdrawal plans were a ‘lie’ and the situation is ‘as humiliating an end as the rooftop scramble in Saigon in 1975’. Columnists in the British Press also hit out at Mr Biden today, with The Sun’s editorial saying he ‘ignored repeated warnings, then withdrew crucial air support for the Afghan army it has spent billions arming over 20 years’. Commons Foreign Affairs Committee chairman Tom Tugendhat wrote in the Times that it was the ‘the biggest foreign policy disaster since Suez’ in 1957, while a columnist for the i condemned the ‘betrayal of Afghanistan’s people’. The Financial Times said the ‘abandonment of Afghanistan raises doubts over the depth of US commitment to supposed allies’, while Mark Almond wrote in the Daily Mail that Islamist fundamentalism is now ‘back on a roll’.

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9897611/Media-America-Britain-react-Afghanistan-crisis.html

      • Malcopian says:

        From 2002:

        https://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/magazine/entry/afghanistan_its_about_oil/

        EXTRACTS:

        Cheney was looking ahead to the day when some 50 billion barrels of oil and natural gas lying beneath the dry earth of Kazakstan would begin flowing into US-controlled terminals in the Caspian Sea.

        Unfortunately, the most direct and cost-efficient pipeline route would cross through Iran, America’s nemesis.

        The September 11 attack provided the Cheney-Bush team with the opportunity to use the US military to pave the way for Big Oil’s long-sought Afghan oil route.

        • D. Stevens says:

          So what went wrong with the Kazakstan oil? Did they try to make a pipeline and it was too difficult to secure or was there less oil then expected in Kazakstan or was Kazak oil not a really one of the goals? I googled for info about their oil production which has gone up while most of the world was in decline the numbers didn’t look very impressive. Unsure if the production is low due to poor infrastructure or for other reasons.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Unbelievably, both the UK Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary were literally lying comatose on the beach and sunning it up while what has been called “the biggest single disaster of foreign policy since Suez” unfolded. It was remarked that nothing better declares that UK is the geopolitical ‘poodle’ of USA and that it has had no independent foreign policy for 50 years. Thousands of Brits were stuck in Kabul, and hundreds of them still are. Boris and Raab did not even think the initiative worth while of getting up off the beach towel.

      > Boris Johnson and Dominic Raab were on holiday at same time hours before fall of Kabul

      Boris Johnson and Dominic Raab were both on holiday at the same time a few hours before the fall of Kabul, it has emerged.

      The Prime Minister was away on Saturday, thought to be in the South West of England, before he cut short his summer break after just one day. Photos appeared to show him at Taunton station on Sunday. Meanwhile the Foreign Secretary returned from abroad on Sunday and was spotted entering the Foreign Office this morning. Neither No10 nor the Foreign Office denied reports he had been on holiday. The double break suggests the pair were caught off guard by the speed of the Taliban’s advance across Afghanistan, where Islamist fighters entered the capital Kabul on Sunday.

      He has been condemned by Labour, with Shadow Foreign Secretary Lisa Nandy saying: “For the Foreign Secretary to go AWOL during an international crisis of this magnitude is nothing short of shameful.” The former Secretary General of NATO, Lord Robertson of Port Ellen, who is also an ex-Defence Secretary, slammed Mr Raab remaining on holiday while the situation in Afghanistan escalated. He said: “It is stunning that the Foreign Secretary would stay on holiday as our mission in Afghanistan disintegrated.”

      “The horrors unfolding with every minute demand focused attention from the top. The urgency involves both the evacuation of British citizens but also what is now to happen to the people of Afghanistan. The fact that the Foreign Secretary is missing in action shows graphically the lack of purpose in our government’s attitude to what we set out to do twenty years ago. As Secretary General of NATO on 9/11 and the person who announced the invoking of Article 5, the self-defence cause in the North Atlantic Treaty, I am sickened by the prospect of the twentieth anniversary being marked by the Taliban back in control of Afghanistan.”

      Even after he returned, Lib Dem Foreign Affairs Spokesperson Layla Moran said: “Dominic Raab’s silence is deafening and an insult to all those who have loved ones still in Afghanistan. The Foreign Secretary must come out of hiding to address the country and hold a press conference in the next 24 hours. So far we’ve seen nothing but an utter failure of leadership and responsibility. The same will be said if he fails to address the nation.”

      • Ed says:

        Nobody gives a fig about Afghanistan. Let China have its land route to the middle east oil (belt and road).

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          It would be truly remarkable if Biden or Boris made that remark – after 20 years of the occupation of Afghanistan, 1 trillion wasted, thousands of Americans and Brits left dead and families bereaved, and untold thousands of Afghans. ‘No one gives a fig!’ That really would be hanging themselves.

          Biden’s remark about ‘washing his hands’ of Afghanistan, and dismissively identifying himself with Pontius Pilate handing Jesus over for crucifixion, was bewildering enough for the American public. It seems even that remark could yet be trumped if yours is anything to go by.

          • Kowalainen says:

            Don’t worry, let’s focus on North Korea and Iran. MOAR war on “terror”.

            Where’s Rumsfeld btw? We might need a big guy hawk. Oh, right…

            “Donald Henry Rumsfeld (July 9, 1932 – June 29, 2021)”

            Ok, only muppets use kinetic warfare these days… H@x0r and L@z0r them terrorists to oblivion instead. Yay!

            🤣👍👍

        • Bei Dawei says:

          Not a Mackinder fan?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        But it’s not a disaster… it’s a brilliant chess move… the CCP were definitely not expecting this ….

        The Dear Leader is viciously slopping up noodles as he decides who gets purged over this.

        https://i.redd.it/se1ulc5dkef21.jpg

    • Bei Dawei says:

      It’s raining men!

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Meanwhile CIA Director of Operations for Asia _____ _________ met in secret with Taliban leaders to discuss weapons requirements and other support they require to commence Operation F789 the CCP (Endless Jihad)….

      Allah Akbar…. Death to China!

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        You do not always have to verbalise the first thing that comes into your head as if it is a ‘revelation’ – and certainly not to me.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Sometimes one needs to repost a theory many times from different angles so that the lower horse power people will understand it…

          It’s like when you people talk baby talk to young children….

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            Or maybe you are just a total pratt who cannot take a hint?

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I hardly think that Fast Eddy is a prat… what with the 1500 horse power under the hood…

              Can you think of a better word? He would not disagree if you were to suggest He was a prophet…. a god even….

            • eddy

              words are like colours on a palette

              we are all given the same amount of words to paint word pictures with.

              one in a billion of us uses those words with great artistry, and we get the works of Dickens or Hemingway.

              Most of us can put words to paper/kb with a reasonable skill and produce stuff that is understandable, readable and forms a decent picture in the mind of the reader. (where word pictures are supposed to form)
              We do not delude ourselves that they offer more than that. Though some of us count ourselves lucky that people will pay for it, at a modest level.

              It’s a fulfilling way to make a living.

              then there remains a bottom tier of worders (as opposed to writers) who bash a keyboard, with the inner certainty that if they vomit out sufficient words they will ultimately make sense and carry a deep meaning to humankind at large.

              This is on the quantity vs quality format.

              They repeat their own name over and over, to remind the reader of who is actually writing it. (lest they should forget).

              And in the obsessive third person of course, as a self-reminder of superiority.

            • Kowalainen says:

              I’m not going to join the cult of Fast Eddy unless there’s the sermon of MOARonity.

              “In the beginning there was the word MOAR.”

              And then the obligatory commandments.

              Btw, fuck Mecca, let’s go for Ghawar instead. Yay.

              🤣👍👍

  45. Sam says:

    Yes but what of economics!!! How long is this going on and what of energy production? If this is all going to collapse in 3 years I could care less of “jab or no jab” give me the jab if it means I don’t have to live through a nasty collapse scenario. So much contradictory comments on here! 😂

    • There is also the question of what kind of life you would have, if you live, if the economy is operating. If you will be at a stage of life in which you would normally end up in some type of care home, maybe dying from the virus now is not such a bad option. Spending years and years locked up in essentially solitary confinement may not be an option you are looking for. There are news articles today about the care homes again keeping those living there in their rooms, to “protect” them. If you are without adult children who are willing to care for you, you will have particularly poor options to choose from. Any type of elderly care facilities the government provides can be certainly expected to go downhill, in the the years ahead.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Serious thoughts; I don’t understand the idea of “protecting them.” Is that perhaps because of lawsuits? It only takes one.

        Sat on the farm patio yesterday, thinking, it is a nice very self sufficient house, as good as my grandfather’s with a Delco plant. Were it to come to what you describe, I would happily allow my relatives to occupy the house if I could have one room with help and company, room could be in the basement if need be. We die alone always, but we live as a group.

        Dennis L.

        • Part of the reason for keeping residents in their rooms, I am sure, is to look like they are “doing something,” as well as complying with government mandates.

          Care homes may not object too much because keeping people in care homes in their rooms helps cover up the fact that these organizations are often understaffed. This fact doesn’t show as much, if the residents are kept in their rooms all day. There is no need for a craft lady, or someone to lead in group exercises. And if attendant doesn’t come for an hour after a resident pushes a button asking for assistance (often with bathroom), not many will notice.

          I understand that inspectors did not come around much (or at all) during the strict lockdown period before. Care homes with problems would like to be left alone.

          Regarding staying with relatives, I understand that elder abuse can be an issue. Adult children take the parent’s pension money and spend it on themselves. They sometimes neglect the parent.

          • Slow Paul says:

            If care facilities are understaffed, it “makes sense” to let people stay in their rooms and not wander off on their own so they might trip and fall and break something. This mentality is due to the measurement regime often involved in western health care. We can easily measure the number of “non-desirable incidents” but we can’t measure happiness or quality of life in the same way.

            You do not want to live in a nursery home unless you have very kind relatives and friends that will visit you often. The staff seldom has time to do anything more than essentials.

            • Good points!

              I understand that quite a few residents of these homes never have visitors.

            • Artleads says:

              RELATIVE VISITING OFTEN: They might be able to do lighter work on your behalf–getting something from a drawer, untangling the phone, etc. Most of all, caring about you and familiar with things that are important for you.

              But grittier stuff like changing diapers would be less appealing , and you’d still have to deal with lackadaisical staff. Still, relatives visiting is WAY better than nothing.

        • Xabier says:

          My Austrian friends used to let grandpa out once a week to ‘go hunting’,

          He’d sit in a tree and blast away, while everyone stayed indoors.

          Happy retirement!

      • Dennis L. says:

        Alternative thought, follow the money.

        If the elderly are protected and live longer consequently paying a few more months rent? Follow the money works more often than not.

        One might wonder about retirement villages such as The Villages. Where does the cashflow come from? Many retirees are former school teachers, a pay as you go system or an annuity system. Tough to get a return on cash or any paper asset these days.

        Dennis L.

    • the critical point to bear in mind is that no one has lived through this before, so literally no one has a clue what to do about it all.

      (that applies to all current ongoing crises.)

      everything you read is basically an ‘opinion’—it’s up to you which opinion is most likely to be correct. (as opposed to most convenient)

      but you have to use your own common sense, not follow mass hysteria.

    • MM says:

      “hey, I demand this shelve being filled with Icecream, Coke and frozen pizza!
      I have followed all the rules you demanded and I could not go shopping in the mean time!”

    • Xabier says:

      I too see being vaxxed as a polite, and plausibly deniable, suicide option. So kind of them to supply it….

  46. Gerard d'Olivat says:

    Mining China and Afghanistan

    1. The soil of poverty-stricken Afghanistan has an immeasurable wealth of valuable minerals. American geologists have discovered copper, cobalt, gold and lithium. Mining could bring Afghans up to 825million Euros The illegal opium trade is now the only major source of income. Even the Soviet occupiers in the 1980s knew that After the retreat of the Red Army and the subsequent political chaos, Afghan geologists and mining experts hid the maps showing the locations of the minerals from the Taliban. The documents subsequently ended up in American hands. The yield of the ores could theoretically give t country a new future. But mining could be years away. The country has no mining industry and no infrastructure, except for a few small and illegal coal mines with a lot of child labor. And in fact there was little interest from American and European companies to try their luck in Afghanistan. And then China came along and how did that work out.

    2. A Chinese government company has already acquired the rights of a copper mine in Logar province, in Mes Aynak, in 2008. There is a stockpile of 700 million tons of ore such as malachite there. And the copper there is higher grade than in the main Chilean mines. Logar seems remote but it is only 40 kilometers southeast of Kabul. It is estimated to contain some 450 million tons of ore worth at least $50 billion (317 billion yuan).
    The Afghan government had high hopes for it when it signed contracts in 2008 with a consortium consisting of the Metallurgical Corporation of China (MCC) and the Jiangxi Copper Corporation. MCC The contracts promised not only favorable premium and royalty payments to the Afghan government, but also the construction of much-needed infrastructure, including a railroad and a power plant by the consortium.

    3. Now more than a decade later, there is still no start to the exploitation of Mes Aynak – and no one knows when it will happen. A recent report lists the problems that have held up the start of the mine.The Chinese consortium wants to negotiate contracts on a new basis because the excavation of an archaeological Buddhist site in the mine area is taking longer than expected. There is an additional lack of phosphate resources – a mineral needed for further processing of copper ore – that the Afghan government had promised to make available to the consortium.

    4.A report by the United States Institute of Peace (USIP) states that the Chinese consortium’s commitments are “unrealistic.” Excessive royalties and the promises for the construction of a railroad, which has not yet started. The railroad is to connect the mine to Kabul, and from there to the main Afghan-Pakistani border crossing Torkham in the east, as well as to the border with Uzbekistan in the north. The rail line to the east is intended to transport the mined copper out of the country, and the line to the north to bring coal and phosphate that might be found in the central and northern Afghan provinces to the mine, including to the planned coal-fired power plant. The explanation is that China is actually not interested in copper mining in Afghanistan at all, but just wants to prevent “others” from seizing the land. In any case, the project is not a priority for the Chinese government, nor does it play a significant role in China’s Belt and Road Initiative, which focuses more on infrastructure development, outsourcing capacity and market rather than natural resource extraction. “Shortly after the contract was signed, moreover, copper prices plummeted, and after a brief recovery in 2011-12, they have fallen again and remain weak.

    https://chinadialogue.net/en/business/10577-project-to-exploit-afghanistan-s-giant-copper-deposit-languishes/

    • It may be too late now, in terms of resource depletion, for the resources in Afghanistan to be worth anything. It is necessary to build a whole system, including roads and electricity production and transmission, in order to do mining. Also, Afghanistan is severely water-deficient; this is part of the reason it hasn’t been developed earlier. Water resources and pipelines will likely be needed as well.

      If other parts of the world have enough “surplus energy” that they can set aside for the purpose of developing Afghanistan, then perhaps it will be developed. This surplus energy will be needed to create the equipment and infrastructure needed to put together the whole system.

      There is also the question of how much the minerals will be worth. Afghanistan has sometimes been called Pipelanistan as well, with this idea that oil and gas pipelines could go through the country. Again, it is a question of how valuable such pipelines would really be. Economists claimed that prices of scarce resources would skyrocket. This has not happened in practice. The US, by pulling out, is saying, “From our point of view, there is no way we can see to make development of this kind make sense.”

      • MM says:

        “…make economic sense”

        Besides a lot of delusions one of them is:

        “If the oil companies can no longer make profits from extracting oil, they will simply stop the business from one day to another”

  47. CTG says:

    SINGAPORE, Aug 16 (The Straits Times/ANN): A 16-year-old boy who suffered a cardiac arrest after his first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine is recovering steadily, and has received S$225,000 (RM700,000) under the Vaccine Injury Financial Assistance Programme (VIFAP).

    He is currently undergoing inpatient rehabilitation and can perform his activities of daily living without assistance, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in a statement on Monday (Aug 16).

    “He will likely be discharged in the coming weeks, but will likely require outpatient rehabilitation for some time before he can return to school and resume other activities,” it said.

    https://www.thestar.com.my/aseanplus/aseanplus-news/2021/08/16/singapore-teen-who-suffered-cardiac-arrest-after-covid-19-jab-undergoing-rehab-gets-rm700000-in-financial-assistance

    16 years old. Had heart attack. USD170k as compensation. I am living in an insane world

    • Rodster says:

      If Dr. Fast Eddy were in charge he would have recommended a booster shot for the ailing young man and then proceed to enlighten him on CEP.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Oh yes… it is crucial that he get the second shot immediately!!! SOFORT Ach Tung muzzah fukkah!

    • Some rich countries can afford these programs for compensating the injured. I expect that the programs will be discontinued if there are very many big awards.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Not sure how he got paid given this surely had nothing to do with the Injection…. this is a travesty!

      Let’s give him Clot Shot 2 … if he gets a second heart attack then there might be a correlation

  48. There is a new preprint of a peer-reviewed Lancet article available. It describes the data collected when one fully-vaccinated health care provider spread the delta variant of COVID-19 to a total of 69 vaccinated hospital workers, before the outbreak was discovered.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733

    Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant Among Vaccinated Healthcare Workers, Vietnam

    From the abstract, with my comments:

    Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020. Time from diagnosis to PCR negative was 8–33 days (median: 21). [My comment: With these breakthrough cases, it takes a long time for the ability to infect others to clear.] Neutralizing antibody levels after vaccination and at diagnosis of the cases were lower than those in the matched uninfected controls. [My comment: The workers who were affected by breakthrough cases were those for whom the vaccine in some sense worked less well. All of the workers were between age 24 and 60, so it was not an age issue.] There was no correlation between vaccine-induced neutralizing antibody levels and viral loads or the development of symptoms.[My comment: Looking at neutralizing antibody levels is not likely to be helpful in figuring out which individuals will transmit the disease or become ill themselves.]

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      I wonder if any studies are being done on the effect of Detla on adult and infant IQ. I suspect that the human population really cannot afford to lose any more IQ points – looking at the world.

      • Rodster says:

        Hey they’ve tried negative interest rates, maybe they’ll try negative IQ for the useless eaters and the great unwashed.

    • Anna Norseman says:

      “[My comment: With these breakthrough cases, it takes a long time for the ability to infect others to clear.]”

      The real question, though, is what is the viral load of an infected vaccinated person compared to the viral load of an unvaccinated person. From what I’ve read lately, the viral load of a vaccinated person drops much more quickly than that of an unvaccinated person. Because of that, the vaccinated person will infect fewer other people.

      • This was a study of vaccinated people. These are people who are not even likely to be aware that they might have COVID-19. They will be out and about, not concerned about the possibility that they might have COVID-19. They, by themselves, will be capable of spreading disease everywhere.

        Admittedly, it is possible that unvaccinated people are spreading the virus longer. For example, instead of spreading the virus for a total of between 8 and 33 days, perhaps they are spreading it for between 10 and 36 days. At least, more of these folks will be sick, so that they will not be out and about, spreading the disease.

        Given how infectious Delta is, if the vaccinated can infect 100% of the population, how many can the vaccinated + unvaccinated infect? This is a silly idea. At most, 100% of the population can be infected. But perhaps the vaccinated can only infect 80% of the population, and the vaccinated + unvaccinated can infect 90%.

        The fact that the vaccinated people mostly won’t realize that they have COVID is a problem. The only reason that the hospital was able to find all of these COVID cases was by testing. Many vaccinated workers had no symptoms at all, or only mild symptoms that were ambiguous with respect to what they might be from.

        • Tim Groves says:

          This is the downside of vaccination reducing symptoms. The average unvaccinated individual will not be shedding much virus unless they are experiencing symptoms, and if they are experiencing symptoms they will probably be staying home and tucked up in bed with a cup of hot lemon and honey. The vaxed, on the other hand, with their lighter symptoms, are much more likely to be out and about, possibly partying with the Obamas or at the Oscars, spreading and spraying viral particles wherever they go.

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