The Afghanistan Fiasco (and Today’s High Level of Conflict) Reflect an Energy Problem

There is a saying, “Everything happens for a reason.” The fiasco in Afghanistan is no exception to this rule. Even though it is not obvious, the United States is up against energy limits. It needed to pull back from Afghanistan to try to have enough energy to continue in its other roles, such as providing benefits for its growing army of retirees, and building infrastructure to mitigate the COVID-19 downturn.

The fundamental problem is that governments can add debt and other indirect promises of resources that create goods and services, but they cannot actually create the low-cost energy, water and mineral resources needed to fulfill those promises.

The way energy limits play out is not at all intuitive. Most people assume that we will run out of oil, leading to a spike in oil prices. We will then transition to renewables. As I see it, this understanding is completely wrong. Limited energy supply first leads to a need for simplification: Stepping back from Afghanistan would be one such type of simplification. It would save energy supplies and reduce the need for greater tax revenue or added debt.

In this post, I will try to explain some pieces of the problem.

[1] Afghanistan was, and continues to be, in some sense, a “handicapped country.”

Everyone knows that the way a country can succeed in the world market is by providing needed goods or services to other economies at low cost. Afghanistan is a landlocked country. It also doesn’t have any big rivers it can use to transport goods out of the country. It isn’t a member of a trade alliance such as the EU to allow smooth transport of goods out of the country. The difficulty of transit into and out of the country adds a layer of costs that tends to make the country uncompetitive in the world market. No matter how much investment any country makes in Afghanistan, this handicap will still persist.

Also, Afghanistan has too high a population relative to its resources. We know that most wars are resource wars. The fact that Afghanistan has been involved in wars for many years hints at this problem. According to UN 2019 estimates, Afghanistan’s population was 7.8 million in 1950, 21.6 million in 2001, and 38.9 million in 2020, which is about five times the 1950 population. Water needs, in particular, tend to escalate as population rises.

[2] The US doesn’t know how to fight a guerrilla war.

The weapons developed by the US are too complex to be used in a guerrilla war. They tend to break down and require replacement parts. Needless to say, these parts are not available in Afghanistan. Even if Afghan soldiers are trained to use these weapons, they may not be available or suitable when needed.

George W. Bush should have known from the outcome of the 20-year Vietnam conflict (1955-1975) that any guerrilla war was likely to have a bad ending. In Afghanistan, the plan was to train Afghan soldiers, thus keeping US citizens out of the battlefield. This strategy kept the Afghan conflict off the front page of US newspapers, but the overall result seems to be similar.

[3] When George W. Bush took office in 2001, he seems to have had access to more funds than he knew what to do with. Starting a war in Afghanistan probably seemed like a good use for these funds. He could perhaps build military bases, and perhaps raise the standard of living of the people there.

The price of oil was especially low in the 1998 to 2001 period. This allowed tax revenue to “go farther” in providing benefits to the economy, allowing a temporary budget surplus. With such a surplus, getting funds appropriated for any purpose would likely have been easy.

Figure 1. US Budget Deficits and Surpluses by Year. Chart by Steve Benen. Source.

Even more importantly, with a fairly young population, the Social Security system had been collecting funds in advance of when they were needed, with the plan of building up the plan’s Trust Fund for use when a bulge in retirements was expected, starting about 2010. Figure 2 shows one chart that roughly illustrates the overfunding and planned use for the funds. Unfortunately, Figure 2 doesn’t treat investment income in the way it is actually collected; it leaves out past investment income and uses discounted cash flow assumptions for the future, so a person cannot readily estimate net contributions to the Trust Fund balance by year from this chart.

Figure 2. Forecast of Social Security surpluses and deficits. Chart by Peter G. Peterson Foundation, based on Social Security Administration, The 2020 Annual Report of the Board of Trustees of the Federal Old-Age and Survivors Insurance and Federal Disability Trust Funds. Source.

Figure 2 indicates that there was considerable overfunding starting in the late 1980s. The thing that actuaries (and others) didn’t consider is the fact that there is a real difference between debt and the physical resources that will be needed when these older people retire. Retirees will need food, water and energy to heat their homes. They will need medicine and long term care institutions. They should also be able to provide their share of the upkeep of roads and electricity transmission networks.

Debt is a promise of future funds to purchase goods and services, but it doesn’t make the resources required to create these goods and services materialize out of “thin air.” To keep these promises, oil needs to be extracted, refined, and delivered to farmers. There needs to be enough fresh water available to irrigate adequate farmland to produce the required food. There need to be supply lines that are working to deliver the required food. There need to be enough young people who are willing to work on farms and in care centers for the aged. The wages for these young workers need to be high enough so that they too can have food, shelter and other things that we consider necessities.

When the extra Social Security funds were collected, the officials who collected them figured out that as a practical matter, there was little that they could do with them besides spend them at the time they were collected. They couldn’t set up warehouses with food, clothing, building materials and energy resources to keep on hand for 30 or 40 years. If they invested the money in the stock market, the money would simply cause a bubble in stock prices. If they built new factories or nursing homes, they would be unfairly competing with existing businesses.

I am not sure that there is any good record of how these extra funds were spent. My understanding is that they provided a very large slush fund that allowed expanded military activities among other things. From an accounting point of view, non-marketable government debt was substituted for the funds that were spent. Thus, when an actuary looks at the Trust Fund, it is fully funded. It is just that it is funded with more US government debt.

The catch is that the non-marketable US government debt doesn’t actually correspond to any resources. Any food used in 2022 (or 2050) will need to be grown in that year, using resources available in that year. Most clothing used in a given year will need to be produced with resources available at that time. Putting together a model that assumes business as usual forever tends to give a rosy picture because it leaves out this detail.

The 2020 OSDAI Trustees Report provides actual income, outgo, and interest income through 2019. From this report, it can be concluded that the extra Social Security slush fund is rapidly disappearing. In fact, it seems to be turning to a hidden source of required year-by-year funding starting as soon as 2020 or 2021.

In some sense, the “real economy” operates on a “cash basis,” rather than an “accrual basis.” This has not been recognized in our accounting or our models. Ignoring the way the system really works likely leads to a hidden crunch, starting about 2021. We know that retirements were high in 2020, adding to the potential problem. I am certain that President Biden and his advisors are aware of this issue, even though it is never reported on the front pages of newspapers.

[4] There is really a two-sided energy price problem. Consumers can afford only low energy prices but, as the result of depletion and population growth in oil exporting countries, producers need high oil prices.

Figure 3 is a chart I prepared a few years ago. In it, there is a pattern of rapidly rising wages when oil prices were very low. Workers became more productive with new factory equipment and vehicles, produced with oil, and operated using oil products. As a result, their wages rose.

Figure 3. Average wages in 2017$ compared to Brent oil price, also in 2017$. Oil prices in 2017$ are from BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2018. Average wages are total wages based on BEA data adjusted by the GDP price deflator, divided by total population. Thus, they reflect changes in the proportion of the population employed as well as changes in wage levels.

On the other hand, when oil prices spiked, the prices of many goods, including food, airline tickets, and the fuel used for commuting to work, rose. People cut back on discretionary income, such as eating in restaurants and vacation travel. Businesses with fewer customers laid off workers. The workers who could find jobs often found lower-paid or part time jobs. The result was a dip in average wages, both in the 1970s and at the time of the Great Recession of 2007-2009.

We now live in a world with depleted resources. The oil and other types of energy that are available are high in cost, but the prices tend to stay too low for producers when all costs are included. Oil resources from the Middle East and Venezuela, especially, need a higher oil price because the governments of these countries need very high taxes on oil revenue to support their large populations. Even shale oil from the United States needs a higher price than is available today.

If we want OPEC to supply the rest of the world with more oil, the price will need to rise much higher than today’s Brent oil price of about $73. It likely will need to rise to at least $100 per barrel and show that it can stay at this high level. Otherwise, the supposed reserves of OPEC will mostly stay in the ground.

Even the US needs a higher oil price. Its oil, gas and coal production fell during the pandemic in 2020. Through May 2021 (and even later using weekly data, not shown), oil and natural gas production has not rebounded to the 2019 level.

Figure 4. US fossil fuel average daily production by month through May 2021, based on data from the US Energy Information Administration. NGPL means natural gas plant liquids. NGPL are extracted with natural gas but condensed out and sold as liquids.

Note that oil and gas production also dipped in 2016. Figure 3 shows that oil prices were also low then. If prices are too low, would-be producers leave them in the ground.

Adding in nuclear and renewables (hydroelectric, ethanol, wood, wind, solar and geothermal) still leaves a large dip in recent production.

Figure 5. US average daily production by type based on data of the US Energy Information Administration.

President Biden is no doubt aware of the fact that the US’s production of energy products, especially crude oil, is now low. In fact, earlier in August he asked OPEC and its allies to increase their oil production to try to keep prices from rising too much. Why would OPEC want to increase its production, if the US can’t increase its own production at the current price level? All of the producers need a higher price level; it is consumers who cannot afford the higher price level.

[5] The world seems to have already begun shifting to a falling energy consumption per capita situation.

The amount of energy required tends to rise with population because all of the people require food, housing and transportation. Energy, especially oil and coal, are needed for these.

Figure 6. Energy consumption per capita for all energy sources combined based on data from BP’s Statistical Review of Energy 2021.

Many countries, including the United States, have been able to hold down their internal energy consumption per capita by moving much of their industry to China and India.

Figure 7. US energy consumption per capita, divided between industrial and other, based on information of the US Energy Information Administration. Energy consumption includes both electricity and fuels such as oil, coal, natural gas, ethanol and wood burned for heat. All transportation fuels are in the “Ex. Industrial” portion.

Figure 7 shows that US industrial production reached its peak in 1973, which was shortly after US oil production started to turn down in 1971. This partly reflects auto manufacturing moving to Japan and Europe, where smaller, more fuel-efficient cars were already being sold. Home heating and electricity generation also shifted away from oil to other fuels.

The issue now is that “Ex. Industrial” consumption has been falling since the Great Recession. In some sense, the economy has been losing strength since 2008 and continues to lose strength. Fewer and fewer people can feel like they are really getting ahead. They are saddled with low wage jobs and too much debt.

Figure 8 shows similar patterns for the European Union and Japan. Energy consumption per capita was rising until a few years before the Great Recession, and then it plateaued. It has been declining since.

Figure 8. Energy consumption per capita for the European Union and Japan from BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy.

The pattern shown on Figure 8 suggests that energy prices are still too high for consumers, even though they are, at the same time, too low for producers. Travel restrictions imposed by governments may also be contributing to this pattern.

GDP data indications are prepared on an accrual basis. In other words, they reflect the impact of added debt. If missing energy can be replaced with a promise of debt to pay for more goods and services in the future, made with future energy, then perhaps all will be well. The quantity of debt that is required, relative to the GDP impact, keeps rising, suggesting this substitution is not working very well.

Figure 9. Dollars of additional debt required to add $1 dollar of GDP growth (including inflation), based on data of the US Bureau of Economic Analysis.

With the addition of growing amounts of debt, GDP increases are reported to be much larger than expected growth, based only on the growth in energy consumption.

Figure 10. Average annual increase in energy consumption for the period shown based on EIA data versus average increase in real (inflation-adjusted) GDP for the period shown, based on data of the US Bureau of Economic Analysis.

[6] We now seem to be reaching the end of the line with respect to what can be done with added debt to make the economy seem like it is performing adequately well.

Interest rates show a very distinct pattern. They rise until about 1981, and then they decline.

Figure 11. US 10-year and 3-month interest rates through July 2021, in a chart prepared by FRED.

When the US economy was growing rapidly, it could withstand high and rising interest rates. Since 1981, the general pattern has been one of falling interest rates, making a larger quantity of debt affordable. Indirectly, these falling interest rates also helped prop up asset prices, such as those of homes and shares of stock. In recent years, interest rates have fallen about as far as they can go. To some extent, these lower rates were made possible by Quantitative Easing (QE). But at some point, QE needs to be stopped.

Today, interest rates are approximately at the level they were during the Great Depression of the 1930s. This makes sense; interest rates to some extent reflect the return an investor can expect to make. Right now, without a lot of government support programs, “Main Street” businesses around the world are struggling. This indicates that the economy is doing very poorly. There are too many people who cannot afford even basic goods and services. Indirectly, this feeds back to commodity prices that are not high enough for producers of energy products.

Recently, governments of many countries have tried a different approach. Instead of loans, they are providing something closer to giveaways. Renters are allowed to stay rent-free in their apartments. Or, checks are given to all citizens earning below some specified amount. What we seem to be finding is that these giveaways produce inflation in the price of goods that poor people buy most frequently, such as food and used cars.

The giveaways don’t actually produce more of the required goods and services, however. Instead, would-be workers decide that they really don’t want to take a low-paid job if the giveaways provide nearly as much income. The loss of workers then acts to reduce production. With lower production of goods and services, a smaller quantity of oil is required, so the oil price tends to fall. The price certainly does not rise to the level needed by oil producers.

[7] In a finite world, longer-term models need to take into account the fact that resources deplete and the population keeps rising.

Any modeler who tries to take into account the fact that resources deplete and the overall population keeps rising will quickly come to the conclusion that, at some point, every economy will have to collapse. This has been known for a very long time. Back in 1957, Admiral Hyman Rickover of the US Navy said,

Surplus energy provides the material foundation for civilized living – a comfortable and tasteful home instead of a bare shelter; attractive clothing instead of mere covering to keep warm; appetizing food instead of anything that suffices to appease hunger. . .

For it is an unpleasant fact that according to our best estimates, total fossil fuel reserves recoverable at not over twice today’s unit cost, are likely to run out at some time between the years 2000 and 2050, if present standards of living and population growth rates are taken into account.

Now, in 2021, it looks as if this problem is starting to hit us. But no one (since Jimmy Carter, who was not re-elected) has dared tell the general public. Instead, accrual accounting with more and more debt is used in financial statements, including GDP statements. Actuaries put together Social Security funding estimates as if the resources to provide the promised benefits will really be there. Climate change models are prepared as if business as usual can go on for the next hundred years. Everything published by the mainstream media is based on the underlying assumption that we will have no problems other than climate change for the next 100 years.

[8] About all that can be done now is to start cutting back on the less necessary parts of the economy.

President Biden’s abrupt pullout from Afghanistan reflects a reality that increasingly has to take place in the world. The US needs to start pulling back because there are too many people and not enough inexpensive to extract resources to fulfill all of the commitments that the US has made. As mentioned earlier, there are a number of obstacles to success in Afghanistan. Thus, it is a good place to start.

With the need to pull back, there is a much higher level of conflict, both within and between countries. The big issue becomes who, or what, is going to be “voted off the island” next. Is it the elderly or the poor; the military or the oversized US medical establishment; university education for a large share of students or classroom teaching for young children?

We don’t seem to have a good way out of our current predicament. This seems to be what is behind all of the recent internet censorship. Renewables and nuclear require fossil fuel energy for their production and maintenance. The powers that be don’t want anyone to know that nearly all of the “happily ever after using renewables” stories we hear are based on wishful thinking.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,463 Responses to The Afghanistan Fiasco (and Today’s High Level of Conflict) Reflect an Energy Problem

  1. Fast Eddy says:

    Listening to his interview and he supports the vaccine rollout — has had Three Injections… so not sure what that article is all about … he is not anti covid vaxx at all…

  2. Fast Eddy says:

    New Zealand should delay a widespread vaccine booster shot rollout, to reduce the risk of Covid-19 becoming a much more deadly disease, virologist Dr Robert Webster says.

    Dr Webster, a University of Otago graduate and international expert on influenza and vaccines, told the Otago Daily Times that Covid-19 could still become ‘‘the big one’’ — a killer virus with the deadly potential of the 1919 Spanish Flu, which killed between 25million and 75million people.

    He urged countries, including New Zealand, to delay booster shot programmes to ensure there was enough global supply of vaccine to minimise the chance of the virus developing a more deadly variant.

    The Ministry of Health has replied that no decisions have been made, despite reports a vaccine on order was being considered for a booster shot programme.

    Balclutha-born Dr Webster, who now lives in the United States, was the first scientist to establish the link between human and avian influenza.

    He also worked on the first DNA vaccine. In 1997, he and his team identified the deadly mystery Hong Kong virus that became known as H5N1.

    Dr Webster works at St Jude Children’s Research Hospital, in Memphis.

    Yesterday, speaking via video link, Dr Webster said it was important countries took seriously the World Health Organisation’s call for booster shot programmes to be delayed until more people were vaccinated around the world.

    ‘‘While every country is interested in protecting itself, we live in a global community,’’ Dr Webster said.

  3. Fast Eddy says:

    Ahead of President Joe Biden’s announcement Thursday about new COVID-19 measures, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said that there may be new measures that will be imposed on unvaccinated people.

    “There are six steps the president’s announcing, there will be new components,” Psaki told reporters on Wednesday.

    “Some of that will be related to access to testing, some will be related to mandates, some will be related to how we ensure kids will be protected in schools.”

    Ya cuz the unvaxxed are creating all these variants that are putting the vaxxed in hospital…..

    Stoooopid MOREons will believe anything

    • Xabier says:

      The senile Biden dictatorship is the best argument against extensive Federal powers. I hope many States rebel.

      Really just any pretext, any lie, to persecute the sane and unvaxxed, and jab the kids….

      ‘For the wicked are buried in endless lies, like the deep waves of the sea under cloud upon cloud’

      (The Koran)

      Well, Muhammed got that one right!

      • Student says:

        I also think that in order to have a real change we have to hope for a change in US. Of course I hope a peaceful one.
        In fact, expecially here in EU ‘core’ Countries, they are – not only – following directives, but trying to interpret them in a more restrictive way, in order to be the top child in the class.

        • geno mir says:

          When an ecosystem finds ‘itself’ in energy/resource cosntrained situation the biggest predators are the first species to go extinct. Don’t hold your breath over USA changing/surviving 😉

        • Xabier says:

          We’ve seen that before, Student.

          Zeal to be seen as the very best Communist/ Fascist/ Nazi/ Maoist……

      • Rodster says:

        “The senile Biden dictatorship is the best argument against extensive Federal powers. I hope many States rebel.”

        The breakup of the United States is inevitable. Vast amounts of cheap surplus energy is what made the USA the dominant world power.

      • They really don’t have such powers.. they mostly just usurped them and, except for a few instances, states haven’t bothered to object. In the case of schools in particular, the federal gov. dishes out lots of money, so that keeps them in line with what the feds want.

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    mike…. before you posting anything new and wrong… consider this×524.png

    • Mike Roberts says:

      Some basic checking. The paper pointed to in that graphic is this one (PDF). Apparently, it shows a mean morbidity (presumably from COVID-19, though it doesn’t explicitly state that in the tables) of 6473.5 ± 7090.5, which means the disease may actually have caused about 600 people to be born, per million population. The mean morbidity per million for the apparent CDTI countries is given as 926.4 ± 926.2, so there was definitely morbidity in those countries. The mean population for CDTI countries is 31.3 ± 41.0, so some countries may have been populated by dead people.

      However, there is another similar study, given in this paper, which seems to be peer reviewed. It actually shows a somewhat different list of countries that used CDTI, with some of the non-CDTI countries appearing in the other study as CDTI countries. It does, however, after correcting for confounding factors, also show a significant decrease in mortality from COVID-19 (a 28% reduction) but only a 8% decrease in infection. So ivermectin does appear to have a positive impact but not as dramatic as the other study suggests. However, it doesn’t claim that the effect is causal.

      Again, though, we see that official figures that support a particular hypothesis are believed by people who think all official figures are bullshit.

      • Rodster says:

        “Again, though, we see that official figures that support a particular hypothesis are believed by people who think all official figures are bullshit.”

        And that’s because the Govt’s, Health Organizations and the collective Media combined have ZERO credibility left. You can NO longer trust or believe what you are being told by the Big 3. At this point it is pretty much all bullish*t they are spoon feeding the masses. If we weren’t spoon fed bulls*t on a daily basis then the Big 3 or Big Tech would not be shutting down any opposing views.

        The bottom is, this is right up there with Colin Powell holding up a plastic bag of white powder claiming evidence that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and why the world needed to stop him.

        • I think we end up with a disparity. There is the group who will believe anything the authorities say. There are others who increasingly see the current narrative as a made up new religion.

          • Mike Roberts says:

            There is also a group who will disbelieve anything the authorities say … unless they say something which appears to support the narrative of that group. We see many examples of that here.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              just get the booster mike… will ya…. maybe you can just double up on the first two? … I can give you my health number and you can pretend you are me and get my allocation….

            • Tim Groves says:

              Disbelieving anything the authorities say sounds like a very wise default position. Of course, I’ll be happy to start trusting them once they build up a record of acting in a trustworthy fashion.

              Until then, “doubt but verify” is a good motto.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Another way to determine if you are being lied to is if you see the same story being bombarded across a wide range of MSM outlets… repetitively… with much hype…. it’s indicates the PR Team is at work spreading a massive lie… e.g. GW. Renewable Energy. EVs

              In that sense the MSM is useful… once you determine you are being lied to then you can then go off MSM in search of the truth on an issue…

              The MSM will also give snippets of the truth in their lies… so in that respect it can serve a purpose…

              The PR Team is very experienced and clever at manipulating … take for instance that story involving the doctor in Israel… note how they turn a disaster into a win… the vaccines wear off but the Booster(s) will keep you safe…

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  6. Tim Groves says:

    Following the news from around the world, and from Australia in particular, I’m starting to get déjà vu all over again. It takes me way way way back to the stories of hard times the old folks would tell that we youngsters used to turn a deaf ear to.

    This confirms FE’s point that we can’t expect public protests or outrage to stop the current steamroller. This thing is going to run and run until it runs out of things to flatten.

    “But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

    “And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed.”

    —Milton Sanford Mayer, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-45

    • This is a fascinating example of psychological projection. The Germans tried to preserve their culture against globalism, and failed.

      • Tim Groves says:

        There is that aspect, certainly. And there’s the German peak coal issue. But there is also the aspect that the Germans allowed a sadomasochistic regime to take power and once it was installed it began to practice sadism against the weak. First they came for the feeble-minded… etc.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      The PR Team is aware of this .. that’s why they move forward in incremental steps… and they proffer token kindnesses from time to time … how can a government that lets us walk in the park for an extra hour… send us to our deaths… they’d never do that… (insert excuses here)

  7. Fast Eddy says:

    If these protesters were committed then they should be marching around the vaccination drive throughs… handing out information leaflets on what the risks are … apparently people are waiting quite some time to take their turn … so they’d have time to read it…

    Nope. Not happening.

    BTW – my brother’s wife opted for the Clot Shot … he drove her to the super market … pulled up … Mengele’s assistant pulled out the jab … he said – you still have 5 seconds to change your mind… the injector said ‘what’… he said you know have 3 seconds…

    Then when the needle went in he said ‘Baaaaaah…. Baaaaaah’…..

  8. Fast Eddy says:

    13 minute mark… now that is crazy!!!

    You have to upload a photo using geolocation to prove you are where you are supposed to be

    He thinks Aussies will experience covid fatigue and then they will do … what?

    Look at any totalitarian state — the Shah’s Iran… Nazi Germany…. China … there are people who have ‘totalitarian fatigue’ in all those places…. what can they do … nothing … Hong Kong tried…

    Some of the Australians won’t like what is happening … but they are trapped — resistance truly is… futile

  9. Rodster says:

    Chris Martenson weighs in on the use of Ivermectin. “The conclusion is that “Ivermectin human toxicity cannot be claimed to be a serious cause for concern.”

  10. DB says:

    Some here still question whether PCR, as used for SARS-CoV-2, could have a very high false positive rate. Therefore, I’m reposting information I posted almost a year ago:

    PCR tests involve amplifying or multiplying any genetic material in a specimen in a series of cycles and then checking whether any of the genetic bits match one or more target genetic sequences (in this case, for SARS-CoV-2). The amplification involves an exponentially large increase of genetic material, so it tends to be incredibly sensitive, picking up the slightest genetic traces, including those due to contamination of samples during collection and analysis. The test does not indicate whether any matching genetic bits are part of whole, intact RNA/DNA strands, or whether they represent infectious or live particles.

    Viral culture involves trying to grow a virus from a specimen by placing it in hospitable media and cells so that it can reproduce/multiply. Culture is the historical microbiological standard of diagnosing infections.

    This is a good systematic review of comparisons between SARS-CoV-2 PCR tests with viral culture:

    The authors present evidence that when there are more than 30 amplification cycles in a PCR test, a person testing positive by PCR is very unlikely to be infected (no culturable virus). In many studies, the threshold is even lower. Keep in mind, the cycle threshold to count as a positive, in the COVID era for SARS-CoV-2, is up to a mind boggling 40 or 45. Prior to COVID, the standard had generally been 30 or even lower for most infections. Researchers have long recognized that going higher than such thresholds produces false positives.

    I’ve spent a little time trying to get a sense of the empirical distributions of cycle thresholds for SARS-CoV-2 PCR positives in typical populations of persons tested. In my brief search, I found relatively little, but what I did find is consistent with my assertion that most PCR positives are false positives (not infected):

    18/19 PCR positives among healthcare workers in 6 English hospitals very likely false positive (no culturable virus):

    ~ 90% of PCR positives in Korean cohort above 30 cycle threshold (see Figs. 2 and 3):

    (notice how the distribution is skewed to the left, with the increasing bulk of observations as the threshold approaches 40)

    symptomatic German outpatients average just below cut-off, asymptomatic contacts well above cut-off:

    ~ 20% of symptomatic Wisconsin/Illinois patients above cut-off (Fig. 3):

    I conclude that a large majority of PCR positives are false positives. All positives below the cutoff threshold are not necessarily true positives. The threshold for culturability of all specimens tends to be quite low (< 20 cycles). Symptomatic PCR positives with no culturable SARS-CoV-2 likely are infected with a different pathogen or suffer from some other problem.

    • This would seem to go along with the recent CDC study that seemed to find quite a few people with high cycle thresholds but who didn’t get antibodies afterword. That study didn’t say that they were necessarily false positives, but that would certainly be a possibility.

      • Mike Roberts says:

        Even with high cycle threshold value there must be some viral fragments to multiply and detect. This is why high values indicate a very low level of the virus, either because the infection is very new or because it’s very old (maybe even recovered).

        • nikoB says:

          It means you may have had dead virus in your snot. Which is very different to having a live virus replicating in you. 25 – 28 cycles will pick up the latter. 35 – 40 cycles picks up both.

          • Mike Roberts says:

            Maybe so but that doesn’t refute my point.

            • DB says:

              These are the “optimistic” interpretations. More likely explanations are contamination or PCR targets that are in common with other pathogens or biologic material within a person, or internal problems with the test from excessive cycles (even water might test positive in such circumstances). The “dead virus from past infection” interpretation implies that there is an incredible proportion of people with past infection who shed for very long periods. I challenge those who believe this interpretation to find evidence of similar behavior for other common respiratory viruses.

            • Mike Roberts says:

              Why would your explanation be “more likely”?

            • DB says:

              The alternatives I mentioned are more likely because PCR and related methods are highly sensitive. Contamination has been a huge problem ever since PCR was developed. Please look at the scientific literature before 2020 to learn more, and the steps that researchers took to prevent it. Note that those steps are rarely followed for COVID PCR testing. Dead virus lingering in noses and throats is unlikely on logical grounds: especially when the studies I cited were done, there hadn’t been nearly enough time, to accumulate so many previously infected persons who continued to shed long term. Now, almost two years later, the proportion of such persons should be very high, and this should be reflected in testing results with very high proportions testing positive. But that hasn’t happened.

  11. Ian says:

    For a livable future, 60% of oil and gas must stay in the ground.

    And 90% of coal must remain buried, according to a new study.

    To achieve the goals of the Paris Agreement, countries will likely need to set hard limits on the extraction of fossil fuels in addition to supporting the deployment of clean energy. That’s one of the key takeaways of a new study published in the journal Nature on Wednesday by energy and climate modelers from University College London.

    The researchers set out to estimate how much of the world’s fossil fuel reserves must remain in the ground in order to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) above preindustrial temperatures — the target named in the Paris Agreement that would prevent the most catastrophic impacts of climate change. They found that in order to have a 50 percent chance of achieving this target, 58 percent of known oil reserves, 59 percent of natural gas reserves, and 89 percent of coal reserves cannot be extracted. This means that global oil and gas production must decline 3 percent on average every year until 2050.

    In their presentation to reporters, the authors stressed that these numbers are likely an underestimate of the scale and speed of fossil fuel production cuts required for two reasons …

    It seems to me that “carbon” is going to be used to drive what looks like an agenda to me. And when I search for “funding” of UCL, I see a very familiar name pop up.

    • I think the oil, coal and natural gas will stay in the ground because the price of these fuels will stay far too low to permit extraction. We are very close to the edge now. A big debt bubble is more or less keeping the prices up now, but even with this help, the prices are too low for producers.

      The climate change models are based on the myth that these fuels can really be extracted. I don’t think that they really can be extracted. People have been trying to find alternatives, but they really are fossil fuel extenders. If we lose fossil fuels, we will lose renewables not much later. We can’t keep up roads with only electricity, for example. We can’t manufacture spare parts for transmission lines with only electricity. It is all very connected.

      • Mike Roberts says:

        The models don’t say anything about how much fossil fuels can be extracted. The models are encoding the physical interplay between environmental and atmospheric factors. It is the inputs to the model runs that have the assumptions that you correctly question (and different runs make different assumptions, based not on science but on what organisations like the IEA might be projecting for different scenarios).

        • Her in Ffickl says:

          Based on the latest research compiled and evidence, it is apparent that we all ready have passed the point of emitting too much …. so the argument of the models being incorrect hokld true in the sense they were too conservative. Remember the
          Lag Time factor in cause and effect. Takes at least a decade for the what we burn and add now to the atmosphere to show itself in the climatic system. Unfortunately, human time frames can not grasp the complexity of the climatic system, not mentioning positive feedback loops, the aerosol masking effect that will spike the temperatures once industrial activities are curtailed.
          So, folks,are goose is cooked or it’s baked in.
          Personally, expect a noticeable collapse of stable food crops that will destabilize society. Whats the saying. Three-days without a meal and riots in the streets.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Don’t be silly Ian.

    • postkey says:

      ‘We’ have 16 years?

      ‘Global peak oil production may have already happened in October of 2018 ( Table 1). It is likely the decline rate will be 6%, increasing exponentially by +0.015% a year (see post “Giant oil field decline rates and peak oil”). So, after 16 years remaining oil production will be just 10% of what it was at the peak.’

      ‘We’ have ten years?
      “ . . . our best estimate is that the net energy
      33:33 per barrel available for the global
      33:36 economy was about eight percent
      33:38 and that in over the next few years it
      33:42 will go down to zero percent
      33:44 uh best estimate at the moment is that
      33:46 actually the
      33:47 per average barrel of sweet crude
      33:51 uh we had the zero percent around 2022
      33:56 but there are ways and means of
      33:58 extending that so to be on the safe side
      34:00 here on our diagram
      34:02 we say that zero percent is definitely
      34:05 around 2030 . . .
      34:43 need net energy from oil and [if] it goes
      34:46 down to zero
      34:48 uh well we have collapsed not just
      34:50 collapse of the oil industry
      34:52 we have collapsed globally of the global
      34:54 industrial civilization this is what we
      34:56 are looking at at the moment . . . “

    • DJ says:

      Great news that we have 90% economically viable coal to leave in the ground.

      • Economically viable coal is very hard to determine. It depends on having current technology and oil to operate it.

      • assuming you are not joking, deep coal (where most of it is) is no longer viable if you have to pay miners 25K plus to go down and get it.

        And thats before you start to pay all the other peripheral costs involved with deep mining.
        then you have to deal with the pollution side of it.

        • Ed says:

          Some modern coal mining is done by remote operated machines. Where the operators work in air conditioned offices on first shift only with three offices spread around the global so each office works only first shift.

        • DJ says:

          Sorry, I had read an other article about same study that specified “economically viable fossil fuels”

          The actual study says “The plateauing of production and subsequent decline will mean that large amounts of fossil fuel reserves, prospects that are seen today as economic, will never be extracted.”

          • ‘economically viable’ resources isn’t a matter of how much energy can be extracted, but how much ‘surplus’ energy becomes available in that process.

            it is that surplus that delivers the complex fabric of society, that in turn make the processing of fossil fuels possible and practical..

  12. nikoB says:

    The lockdown and mask situation here in Australia has been really draining, one wonders how long they can keep it up. It occurred to me yesterday after watching some old TV sitcom that we are constantly reminded of our previous life styles on the shows we are watching. Even the shows they are making today are not set in a draconian lockdown mask covered dystopia. This divide in realities i think will really start to make the pot of discontent boil over in the masses even faster.

    • Lockdowns and masks are draining everywhere, I am afraid. I don’t think it is possible to keep it up year after year.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      I suspect the vast majority support the masks… they are still wearing these moronic things in places where you don’t have to (UK)…

      So I don’t see civil disobedience unravelling the Stay Safe theme

    • Xabier says:

      Transport for London is running a ridiculous ad showing all the exiting things you can do when you use public transport ……..all in a mask.

      So depressing.

      When the mask requirement was lifted in the UK on trains and buses, Mayor Khan, the disgusting ego-crazed foreigner, insisted it stay in London.

      His kingdom, his rules…..

    • Ed says:

      niko, I am watching English TV shows from around 1970. It is a world I understand and like.

      • nikoB says:

        Just finished all the seasons of Robin’s Nest Ed.
        The jokes in it are brilliant especially Albert’s.

        eg referring to old men liking younger girls.

        The gun may not have any bullets but it still goes click.

        for the whole six seasons

  13. Gregory Clark also proved that IQ is inheritable, and if you don’t have smarties in the genes, then you are basically fu ed.

    He went through 400000 English through 1775-2020 and proved genetics played a HUGE role on outcome.

    Well, even among peak oil, good genes will survive. Survival of the Fittest.

    (I have studied eugenics in England for quite a long time, and can debate this matter to death. In short England was already eugenic before Erasmus Darwin, grandfather of Charles and father of evolution, became active.)

    • geno mir says:

      Every society which was constructed around aristocrats is eugenic whether they understand it or not.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        That may be true if the more successful both marry assortatively and have higher viable reproduction. I am guessing that ‘success’ can depend on various factors that may attenuate the ‘eugenic’ outcome however, depending on what is being ‘aimed’ at. I suspect that there are complex variables in the real world. But on the whole there likely is some truth to that.

        • geno mir says:

          Aristocracy and the obsession with aristocratic bloodlines and keeping them pure is eugenics in a nutshell whether the proponents realize it or not.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Clark does not seem to publish in peer reviewed journals and the secondary literature seems to be absent.

      Clark’s estimation of social mobility by the persistence of elite surnames gives much lower estimates than conventional measures. It may be that elite surnames form ‘niches’ toward which socially mobile elements gravitate through marriage. A picture of social mobility by surnames might be more complete if maiden names were also taken into account to capture that gravitation over generations. It may be that Clark has not captured social mobility so much as the persistence of elite surnames despite mobility as more conventionally estimated.

      It seems unlikely that his analysis has established the persistence of a ‘Norman’ autosomal genetic element in the English elite or any correspondence of Norman surnames with any such element. Genetic tests would clarify that conclusively if ancient Norman and Saxon genotypes were compared with those of the English elites today, which should be within the scope of current scientific capabilities. It may be that English ‘aristocrats’ are resistant to autosomal analysis.

      The above link does consider family interconnections but his data set seems to be limited, particularly with regard to social outcomes. It indicates a genetic influence on outcomes, which is not surprising.

      Normally we would expect peers to chime in.

  14. Fast Eddy says:

    10/12/2020 — Fauci predicted herd immunity by next fall and “normality” by 2021’s end, as long as enough people get vaccinated to bring the pandemic to an end.

    Soooo….. the vaccines were ‘thoroughly tested’ and ‘no steps were skipped’ ….. so where’s the herd immunity norm dunc mike?

    • It seems like after a while, people would stop listening to Fauci.

      • Rodster says:

        The problem is the Gov’t, Health Organizations and the Media keep propping this guy up. So “The Science” has reached Sainthood. The problem is “The Science” holds at least 1 patent on these vaccines and The Science has not been investigated for the spread of Covid 19.

        As long as the Big 3 continue to prop up Tony Fauci, people will continue to listen to his every word.

        • Came across someone talking about the addition of that little three-letter word, “the”, changing meaning in a potentially ominous way.

          News vs. “The” News
          Science vs. “The” Science

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I again spoke to the head of the clinic in town … he’s met with the doctor who denies telling me she had data stating that healthy children are at serious risk of death should they contract covid…

          He said there must have been a misunderstanding … then he informed me ‘because there is no data’….

          Exactly!!! That’s what I told her when she advised me to get the kids vaccinated…..

          He wasn’t overly keen on that response….

          Then I said … now that we are in agreement that she is lying will you reprimand her?

          No I won’t take any action because she is not lying.

          Oh so then I am lying? But we just agreed there is no data so why is she telling me to vaccinate the children if there is no data? On what basis.

          I never said you were lying.

          Of course you did… someone is lying … it’s either her or me and you insist she is not lying therefore I must be lying. But you also said there is no data so that implies that she is lying.

          I won’t take any action.

          Hmmm… you have a customer who has been lied to by your employee. I have employees… and I demand honesty — if an employee lied to a customer I’d reprimand or more likely fire the employee… and my employees are not dishing info that can result in the death of the customer.

          But you won’t do anything.


          My next call was to They said ‘is this about covid’ … yes… are you getting lots of complaints? Yes…..

          Obviously nothing will happen.

          • Xabier says:

            In the last year one has discovered that so many people who seemed normal and reasonably trustworthy, are utterly disgusting – like those lying and corrupt doctors in NZ.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              One could imagine if someone took the injection and was wrecked… that person seeking payback by exterminating the vermin of the person responsible…. ideally they do not at some point use too much force to mandate this …. there are some who can be vindictive… and embrace the opportunity to go out in a blaze of glory…. all crimes deserve to be punished… dontcha think?

            • JMS says:

              Every effort in the struggle for good is welcome, but I believe the eternal hope complex (or mr. DNA as you termed it), prevents that kamikaze outcome. If a person is not uterly done, s/he will put all hope in get better and survive. Which defuses the urge to revenge. Only desperados can go kamikaze. But normal human mind alas abhorrs despair…

  15. el mar says:


  16. hillcountry says:

    Report from Richard Sauder in Ecuador
    Aug 27, 2021

    It Gets Even More Surreal

    But, wait, there’s more. This week the government here in Quito has announced that Ecuador will “temporarily” take in 5,000 Afghan war refugees. They do not speak Spanish, they use a different alphabet, practice a different religion, have very different cultural practices, wear different clothing, eat different food, have no cultural, political or historical ties to this region whatsoever — and yet they will imminently be plunked down here in the Andes, in Ecuador, on the far side of the world from Afghanistan. According to the government in Quito, the USSA will pay for the Afghan refugees’ care while in Ecuador.

    How can any of this be believed? Moreover, the Afghan conflict is the USSA’s war, so any resulting refugees are morally, politically and militarily the fault of the USSA, and certainly not the fault of Ecuador. So why are thousands of them coming here?

    Why dump them off on a small, poor country in South America? And by the way, temporary can mean 3 months, 2 years, 15 years, or even 20 years, just not “permanently” — right? (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) And the USSA “paying” for their care can mean almost anything, up to and including, secret, multi-million dollar deposits to anonymous, numbered, offshore bank accounts of high officials in Ecuador. Governments virtually everywhere are corrupt; that is as true of Ecuador as in the USSA.

    Frankly, this reeks of an Andean, CIA, Pentagon destabilization-strategy to further fragment, fracture, divide and weaken an already failing South American state, the better to enable the ongoing theft of its not inconsiderable natural resources of gold, copper, silver, petroleum, uranium, fresh water, agricultural land and products, cheap labor and more. Over the last year and a half, in a nation of just 17.5 million people, 3 million additional people have slipped into poverty, and that is South American poverty, with a monthly income of $400 or less, in many cases much less. One million people have fallen from the middle class into poverty. 50% of the businesses in central Quito have failed. I have seen figures that reveal that as much as 60% of the Ecuadorean population is now in poverty. For all I know the actual poverty figure may be even higher.

    Earlier this month, José Villavicencio, President of the General Union of Workers of Ecuador, said that 40 percent of Ecuadoreans live on $2.50 a day and 18 percent live on $1.50. I don’t doubt those numbers whatsoever. Millions of Ecuadoreans have been reduced to cruel, grinding, desperate poverty. According to government statistics that have been reported in the press, 24% of children in Ecuador suffer from malnutrition — and that was before all the Covid related quarantines, lockdowns and restrictions that have very severely hampered a national economy that was already struggling before the Covid plandemic was inflicted on the country.

    And now, into all of this suffering and woe, the governments of Ecuador and the USSA will inject additional thousands of Afghan war refugees? On top of more than half a million, mostly destitute, Venezuelan refugees who are already here, and unknown hundreds of thousands of equally destitute Colombian refugees fleeing the narco-violence in Colombia, that Ecuador equally cannot accommodate? And Ecuador is now supposed to mop up additional thousands of Afghan war refugees for the CIA, Pentagon and USSA State Department?

    Why can’t they go to the USSA? And who are they anyway? Women and children? Clerks and translators? Hard core jihadis primed to wreak bloody havoc against infidels? Who knows? Do the CIA and Pentagon even know, or care?

    It’s demonic. The agenda of the satanic, so-called “ruling elites” in both Ecuador and the USSA is obviously to break up Ecuador, to splinter it and its people into nothing, and cast the broken pieces to the wind.

    Ecuador is in big trouble.

    • There are too many people in total. I suppose the people in charge in Ecuador see the funds coming in. The children will pick up the new language quickly. The bigger problem is jobs, food, housing for the long term.

    • Tim Groves says:

      “Frankly, this reeks of an Andean, CIA, Pentagon destabilization-strategy to further fragment, fracture, divide and weaken an already failing South American state….”

      Yep. I can smell it from here.

  17. hillcountry says:

    “It is obviously easier, for the short run, to draw cheap labor from adjacent pools of poverty…than to find it among one’s own people. And to the millions of such prospective immigrants from poverty to prosperity, there is, rightly or wrongly, no place that looks more attractive than the United States. Given its head, and subject to no restrictions, this pressure will find its termination only when the levels of overpopulation and poverty in the United States are equal to those of the countries from which these people are now so anxious to escape.”

    George F. Kennan

  18. Student says:

    Please let me propose you to have a look to the new article by Ugo Bardi.
    He talks about witch hunting, the historical reasons why it happened and who could be the next victims.
    He doesn’t give the answer in his article, but some readers reply to him that next victims could be people well educated, who know science and don’t want to be vaccinated (and I would add: those who question political decisions).
    The article is very interesting.

    • Alex says:

      Based on the article, the modern witches in the global village are the ‘trrists’: Afghans, Libyans, Syrians…

      • Student says:

        Of course I could be wrong, but it must be something inside the Society. The groups you mention have been already abondoned and are not anymore interesting.

        • Alex says:

          Okay, what about domestic terrorists (whatever that means)? With a little help from the ‘intelligence community’, a large part of the population could be targeted.

          The artificial battle of the vaxxed vs. unvaxxed is good for dividing and conquering the people, but I don’t think it’s comparable to witchhunting. The unvaxxed still constitute roughly half of the population, while witches were a minuscule group. Even the Jews in Germany represented less than 1% of the population.

    • Very interesting article. The witches that were burned at the stake were relatively wealthy. Their assets were legally taken by the government after they lost their lives, This happened in a time of resource shortages. Ugo talks about the deaths of the Jews in Germany was similar.

      We are in another era of low resources. The anti vaxers are being marginalized, but they aren’t necessarily rich. Some leaders may be, however.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Commies did the same thing in the USSR …. they’d even send you to the gulag because they coveted your wife….

        • T.Y. says:

          Indeed, I’m currently reading Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago. You know what’s strange ? Somehow the pitch black humor in which he describes the whole ordeal seems to inspire hope in me. The name of some of the chapters alone. “First Cell, First Love”, seriously…..

          By the way: i ordered “one man’s wilderness” on your recommendation; looking forward to read it, thanks.

      • Student says:

        Thank you, I agree with you.
        In this case I think that no-(this)-vax people could represent two interesting points for rulers now.
        (please let me add just a second a little more about no-(this)-vax people. Because among them it is full of vaxed people for other vaccines, but they simply consider these ones not particularly safe).
        Anyway, coming back to the two interesting points for rulers, in my view, could be:
        1) they are well informed people and question decisions, so they are troublesome people for a new period where more central authority is necessary (according to rulers of course).
        2) they occupy scarce job places also paid with old high salaries. For example, it is clear that all these requests to have vaxed employees, either in private or in public companies, it is an attempt to skim job positions which are not anymore abundant now. These jobs positions were not abundant also before Covid-19, but there wasn’t a good excuse for skimming at that time.

        • Xabier says:

          Good points, Student.

          And it is a feature of all Totalitarian systems that no dissent whatever is tolerated, even if it means killing/jailing the talented and intelligent % of the population.

      • Gerard d'Olivat says:

        Very uninteresting article by Bardi.

        You can connect everything with everything and make it a ‘uniformity sausage’.
        Nice modernism of course, in an era in which ‘anti-vaccers’ like to assume a special martyr or hero status. After all, you have to do something with your newly acquired ‘insights’.
        It’s quite attractive of course to identify with the ‘persecution of the Jews’, ‘witchcraft’, the Gulags and a few other random things.
        It all sounds good and fits in well with the ‘antivax’ movement. Shortenings and ‘heroes and victims’ projections always do well then.
        Bardi shows more and more signs of a somewhat frustrated former ‘left-wing theoretician’ and ‘do-gooder’ whose biggest problem is that he, as a ‘petit-bourgeois’ intellectual and caller in the wilderness, is no longer able to maintain the former ‘family’ villa and gardens in the suburbs of the city and was forced to ‘move’ to an undoubtedly still spacious apartment in the city, which in summertime is weighed down by ‘the heat’ and where he can no longer find any cooling. From the very ‘meager, guess what!’responses under his piece you can also see how eagerly ‘the respondents’ are looking for their ‘victim role’. They would preferably be totally ‘excommunicated’ and slaughtered as intellectuals, seniors, etc. tomorrow.

        • Xabier says:

          I’ve given up commenting under Ugo’s articles due to the awful ‘captcha’ filter which has come back there. Many might have reacted similarly.

          His points are in fact very good: misnamed ‘anti-vaxxers’ are being lined up for persecution and murder, and if you can’t see that, I really do pity you.

          ‘First give a dog bad name before you hang it’ is an old proverb.

          That’s what is happening.

          He is a clear-sighted man.

          • Gerard d'Olivat says:

            You don’t have to feel sorry for me. I think you are Spanish to distill from your comments. Perhaps you should read more closely the ‘thirties’ from the last century of your own country’s history. From there you might develop a clearer picture of how ‘perpetrator and victim’ profiles were interchangeable in short order depending on who was where. Oh well probably you are anti-vaccer…just like me by the way.
            But why get so worked up about it? Are you going to overthrow Spanish society at times with two strikes or have you finally found a ‘purpose’ in your life?

      • geno mir says:

        I always wonder on the low level of knowledge about The Inquisition in the west. When The Inquisition run out of ‘witches’ to burn they started burning the wealthy jews but they organized quickly and started fleeing to the Ottoman empire.
        Bottomline, The Inquisition was a self-funding organization so it very quickly abondened a dubious religious function in order to start making profit (disguised as public service under the dubious religious function). Furthermore not only the Inquisitors were shielded from secular courts but also their familiars (helpers and staffers).

        • Xabier says:

          Geno mir is correct; those condemned for heresy, etc, lost everything, and their families were ruined even if they were ‘good Catholics’.

          An early experiment in murderous, thieving Totalitarianism….

          • geno mir says:

            Another mass misconception i truly enjoy when encounter is that europeans (mostly western ones) are somehow directly related to the citizens of roman empire and not to the people who sacked it and killed/enslaved most of the roman citizens.

  19. Dennis L. says:

    A note on credit availability:

    I have an excellent score most months, high good an occasional month, can vary by up to 30 or so points, to date always returns to excellent, pay all statements completely when received, don’t delay until due date. It puzzles me that cc companies are becoming very sensitive to balances when if delayed they earn such good returns. My sense is they are afraid of not being paid.

    While WF rescinded their cancellation of the personal line of credit, the cancellation made no sense.

    Could it be that liquidity is drying up?

    Dennis L.

    • It has a myriad of reasons. Perhaps they didn’t like your income level. They don’t know about personal assets but they can kind of guess of your income by looking at your spending habits.

    • MonkeyBusiness says:

      WF’s Personal Line of Credit was a small operation. Don’t read too much into it.

    • geno mir says:

      I think we have the opposite problem. We are awashbin liquidity. 40% of avaulable dollars are printed the last 18 months.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Any idea where they are going? Housing would be a quick answer, but for most people they have to borrow their liquidity which is a net zero. Even with a down payment after transaction costs, think round trip to liquidate, they are most likely in the hole, solvency is a different question, notational wealth can increase but no way other than further debt to make use of it.

        Stock prices could be a function of no sellers, price is the margin, total value of all stocks most likely much less than nominal value if liquidated, same problem as housing.

        Dennis L.

        • Alex says:

          Apart from keeping zombie governments and zombie corporations above ground? Stock buybacks come to mind.

        • geno mir says:

          Here is my logic – money is print too fast and looses ‘worth’ even faster hence everyone is trying to obtain bigger and bigger sums, everywhere.

  20. Tim Groves says:

    The surreal situation in Australia is evolving to take in permanent booster vaccinations in NSW and bonsentration bamps, sorry, quarantine camps in Queensland.

    I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to say this. This is exactly how Nasty Germany started. Fast Eddy, looks like you’ve been right all along. The CEP is the only explanation that makes sense.

    • Rodster says:

      Except people will acquiesce until something goes wrong or the lightbulb goes off and that’s typically when the blowback begins. There are already Trucker protests in Aussie Land. Just wait when people who have been constantly jabbed find out they are getting Covid along with nasty side effects.

      As the saying goes: “When people lose everything and have nothing else to lose, THEY LOSE IT”. And you are going to see that develop around the world once the Plebs figure it out that they were manipulated by corrupt governments, health organizations, Big Pharma and the Media (which is designed to protect the people).

      We are seeing more and more protests, riots and civil unrest taking shape around the world.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I struggle to see how a protest movement can bend the Aussie (or any) government.

        The reality is that there is no opposition – all political parties support the injections.

        The majority of the population supports the injection.

        It is impossible to vote in a government that will halt the injections.

        As we have seen legal challenges are futile – Sue Grey in NZ actually won a decision challenging the Emergency Authorization of the vaccine … the gov’t changed the law.

        The old paradigm no longer applies – essentially the government is totalitarian… logic, law and democracy are no longer factors.

        The only thing that moves a totalitarian government is force. Deadly, brute force.

        2 million people marched against totalitarianism in Hong Kong in 2019. And now Hong Kong is a airtight police state. The slightest chirp will get you time in prison.

        This was accomplished without the military.

        This is the equivalent of nearly 8M people marching in Australia (and throwing petrol bombs at the police)…. So far the protests involve thousands – and no violence.

        In the unlikely event enough people were to have a serious go … and the police could not deal with them… the military would.

        The protesters have not got a hope in hell against the police – never mind the military. And make no mistake — the government is playing hard ball — if this is the CEP they truly believe that stopping chaos is in the interests of everyone — failure means Ripping of Faces.

        We can already see how they deal with anyone who gets out of line … zero tolerance.

        If someone takes a shot at them … the response will be severe.

        The only way this unravels is if the military turns. The top brass will not doubt be aware of the Big Picture… so they will be on board… soldiers generally do what they are told (think mike norm dunc… with guns)…. and they are even more susceptible to the Covid propaganda … so unlikely they break away and join forces with the protesters….

        It’s easy to control the truckers… I understand some of them were hit with big fines + dangerous driving charges… that’s a criminal offence… again unlikely enough of them are willing to walk that walk…. easy enough to deal with the radicals… tow their trucks… and jail them if need be.

        The old paradigm is gone … this is no different than a Jew trying to oppose the Nazis… but every government in the world is now Nazi… and the majority of all people … support the Nazis.

        The Nazis are keeping them safe… and anyone who is not on board with that… is dangerous… and needs to be dealt with harshly.

        As for the CEP…. if the plan was some sort of control via the Injections… then why do we need boosters… also the majority of the population has not been injected and will not be….

        This points to an attempt to breed increasingly more powerful mutations of the virus. It is not necessary to involve all 8B … no doubt 2 to 3B is already overkill…

        You just keep priming that pump over and over with a series of injections … until you get the desired result — a super virus that is impossible to stop… ‘the nightmare scenario’

        This virus will quickly spread throughout the world… killing vaxxed and unvaxxed… the masses will be shell-shocked when they see images of bodies piling up … and if you think people are fearful of the unmasked … just wait to see how they react when this hits…

        There will be minimal ripping of faces… because that person behind the face might be infected…

        There will be no raping … because that woman … might be infected…

        There will be no cannibalism .. because fear of infection trumps hunger….

        The lucky die from the infection … those that don’t starve … the rest are infused with radiation after eating/drinking contaminated food and water.

        Now that I think about it … how ridiculous it was to think that Doomie Prepping made any sense… but then that concept was probably something planted by the PR Team many years ago to comfort those who saw the writing on the wall early….

        • Ed says:

          “The old paradigm is gone … this is no different than a Jew trying to oppose the Nazis… but every government in the world is now Nazi… and the majority of all people … support the Nazis.”

          NEVER AGAIN

          Fire still burns, knives still cut, ….

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Lockdown is essentially voluntary martial law….

            If the protesters decide to start getting out of hand and burning stuff… then we transition to a more traditional version of martial law with military units on the streets and enforced martial law….

            Recall how the Viet Cong could attack then melt back into their communities…. the protesters would experience the exact opposite…. the government would encourage citizens to report a neighbour who has left there house (who is not designated an essential worker) and the CovIDIOTS will gleefully call the hotline and the neighbour gets jailed for breaking the round the clock curfew.

            Anyone on the street without a reason and who doesn’t have the passport … gets arrested – or shot.

            Does anyone see anyone burning buildings in Hong Kong? You like a candle in Victoria Park in memory of the protesters slaughtered by the CCP in T-Square .. and you get arrested.

            Most people don’t have it in them to put their lives on the line … and when they see the overwhelming force they are up against — they’ll do as they are told.

            We’ll go with a whimper…. but I don’t mind a bit of burning .. that would be entertaining.

            Remember – the Arderns and the Trudeaus of the world (snowflakes) have joined forces to carry out the CEP… they know what failure means… using the heavy hand on a few folks who have not idea what they are trying to overturn … and what the horrifying result would be should the CEP fail….

            Failure is not an option … it is not an option. Failure would set off an inferno of murder, rape, disease and starvation – and cannibalism. They know this … they will stop at nothing to ensure success.

        • Ed says:

          Never Again???

          Who went down first and hardest? Israel.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Nasty, nasty Britain and USA had internment camps too, a person cannot just chuck together a word salad and make an undeniable conclusion. : )

      A then B

      therefore A always B

      and C is a bit like B

      therefore C


      • Tim Groves says:

        Indeed so. And you’ll get no argument from me regarding how Nasty Britain and the US have been. The reference to Germany was merely a reference to Basil Fawlty and not intended to single the Hun out for disapprobation.

        The Nasties can get into power anywhere. And once they are in, they are as hard to get rid of as dry rot. On the evidence of what we’re hearing recently, I think the rot has set in in Australia and they’ve entered the Twilight Zone there.

        • Xabier says:

          A friend of mine was sent to demolish villages in Aden during the crisis there, by driving a tank into the mud buildings.

          Destroying villages was standard procedure in all imperial ‘peace-keeping’. The logic being that deprivation of shelter would make rebels give up.

          After doing a few huts, they realised that perhaps they should actually check that no one was hiding inside – of course, the villagers had all fled.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Let’s not forget the Boer War… when the chips were down … the British rounded up the families of the Boers and put them in brutal concentration camps… abusing them and starving them…. this denied the Boers soldiers food and they soon gave up….

        Our governments are very capable of doing ‘whatever it takes’… when they have to.

  21. Student says:

    Surreal situation in Italy goes on.
    Ilaria Capua, a tv virologist, made yesterday a false declaration. She said on tv that Ivermectin is a medical treatment for horses and we cannot treat humans with medicines for horses.
    Ilaria Capua forgets that Ivermectin is a registered human treatment in Asia, Africa and South America to treat tropical diseases, as explained in this following video (tv Rai 3 is the official public Italian tv…).

    Maybe Mrs Capua, being graduated in Veterinary and not in Medicine, doesn’t know exactly which are human medicines or not.

    Here you can find her false declaration:

    A strange particular on Ilaria Capua is that in 2014 she was condemned and then absolved in Italy for illicit virus trafficking in order to develop vaccines. After that episode she left Italy..

    • FoolishFitz says:

      Student, when you say develop do you mean promote for profit?

      From her Wikipedia page.

      “The magazine’s cover article reported a conspiracy between scientists and pharmaceutical companies to increase the sales of vaccines by deliberately
      spreading viruses”

      She’s heavily involved in avian influenza, potentially working towards deliberately spreading it and her husbands patent history has moved on from the development
      of tyres to more profitable fields.

      When I read your post about her for some reason I was reminded of a post months
      ago, about a woman with a bodybuilders physique and I mean a man bodybuilder,
      that had the tag something along the lines of “kill for the thrill”.
      Does anyone remember this?
      I may be wrong but I get the feeling there’s a tie up with the times/places they worked.

      As far as her very deliberate lie, someone should direct her to the WHO website.

    • Azure Kingfisher says:

      Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19


      In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world’s most devastating tropical diseases. Since March 2020, when IVM was first used against a new global scourge, COVID-19, more than 20 randomized clinical trials (RCTs) have tracked such inpatient and outpatient treatments. Six of seven meta-analyses of IVM treatment RCTs reporting in 2021 found notable reductions in COVID-19 fatalities, with a mean 31% relative risk of mortality vs. controls. During mass IVM treatments in Peru, excess deaths fell by a mean of 74% over 30 days in its ten states with the most extensive treatments. Reductions in deaths correlated with the extent of IVM distributions in all 25 states with p < 0.002. Sharp reductions in morbidity using IVM were also observed in two animal models, of SARS-CoV-2 and a related betacoronavirus. The indicated biological mechanism of IVM, competitive binding with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, is likely non-epitope specific, possibly yielding full efficacy against emerging viral mutant strains.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Hideaway says it’s a “Shame many here don’t know how to interpret statistics correctly.”

      This link you’ve posted leads to a table of statistical data on confirmed cases of Covid-19 in Israel in July. I wonder how we should interpret these particular statistics? What inferences can we reasonably draw from them? And how meaningful, significant and important are they in the context of all the huge problems the world is facing with regard to overpopulation, pollution, declining natural resources, spent fuel ponds, and millions of people walking around without adequate life insurance?

      • Hideaway says:

        The numbers came from FE, showing vaccinated people had twice the number of hospitalizations and deaths, but failed to take into account the rate of vaccination was a ratio of above 4:1 to unvaccinated.

        However reality will not change people’s belief, which is precisely why real coll.apse is close, so many people believe the impossible of infinite growth on a finite planet.

        All religions are the real clue as to how delusional humans are and why we are so willing to believe in impossible eternal growth.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Perhaps hideaway thinks this is a roller coaster?

        The only thing is what happens when the coaster hits that jagged part on the way down at the Feb 24 mark?

        • Hideaway says:

          Like I said, people just don’t want to believe in reality…

          Looking at base numbers without taking the situation as a whole into account, is the stats of a More-on..

          “In Israel, when you look at the age-adjusted numbers for vaccination, the chance of you being hospitalised if you’re over 60 is reduced 40-fold if you’re vaccinated compared to if you’re unvaccinated.”
          She said the fact fully vaccinated people were still being hospitalised was a reflection of very high vaccination rates, and the fact that no vaccine is perfect.

          “The benefit of vaccination is that it reduces your chance of hospitalization and death by about 90 per cent, but it’s not 100 per cent,” Professor Lewin said.

          “So there will still be people that get hospitalised and die, even if they’re vaccinated.”

          It will be interesting to see if Israel gets a 4th wave from a different variant, and what the hospitalization and death rates are. My guess is that they will be closer to herd immunity than anyone else..

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Oh so the ’85-90% of covid hospitalizations involved fully vaxxed individuals is a lie?

            What’s the booster for?

            And how is it that Israel has busted its covid infection record with 90% of the population vaccinated – consider the most of the 10% would be under 12 and they don’t end up in hospital..

            Seems you swallowed the lie that the vaccine would stop you from getting covid… hmmmm… surely the ‘thorough testing’ would have checked for that…

            You still believe what Fauci and your government is telling you?

            Didn’t they fall back on oh yes you can get it but you won’t end up in hospital — see above.

            Is it stooopidity or gullibility we are looking at here… or a lot of both?

          • Tim Groves says:

            Hideaway, are you seeing what I’m seeing? The link FE posted that I referred to showed Israel confirmed cases between July 4 and July 21. It gave an age group breakdown and totals for cases fully vaccinated, cases unvaccinated, percent of cases fully vaccinated, and percentage of population fully vaccinated.

            The figures clearly show that for all age groups, there is little difference between the percent of cases fully vaccinated and the percentage of population fully vaccinated. For most age groups, the percentage of cases fully vaccinated is higher than the percentage of population fully vaccinated. Among total cases, 86.0% are found in fully vaccinated individuals, while fully vaccinated individuals account for 84.4% of the population.

            Are you with me so far?

            This means that vaccination in Israel during the time period given was associated with an increased risk of becoming a Covid-19 case.

            This is not my data or FE’s data or Zero Hedge’s data, It’s official Israeli government data.

            This is what I asked people to comment on, and you seem to have gone to a lot of trouble to avoid doing that. Address this issue first—or at least acknowledge that it is a valid issue—and then perhaps we can move on to talking about hospitalization rates and the factors affecting that, which is a whole other ball game.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Hideaway is blinded by truth.

            • Hideaway says:

              Do you guys not understand the difference between cases and hospitalizations/deaths??

              Your answers seem to indicate that you refuse to understand what’s going on, or just deliberately want to tell a different story to reality.

              The vaccines don’t stop you getting the virus, they reduce the effect.

              They are totally different to past vaccines for things like tetanus or small pox etc. Using the word ‘vaccine’ is not really accurate, more like a treatment in advance to reduce serious effects and yes it wanes over time..

              The numbers don’t lie, but many here want people to believe they are useless when they are saving hospitalizations and lives.

              Long term effect no idea, but for a percentage of the population not taking them, will mean death in the shorter term..

              Governments want these vaccines so they can open up, get the economy ‘back to normal’. They are worried about the short term effects of hospitals overrun and lockdowns, which are in the here and now.

              Just like they don’t worry about long term energy peaks, they don’t worry about long term health effects of vaccines.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Boring … you are beating a dead horse…

              We’ve now got a smoking gun… check it out… from Johns Hopkins … a top med school in the US:


            • Mike Roberts says:

              Looking at the official dashboard, the last validated numbers show 88% of people had been jabbed twice or thrice and for the previous four days (7th, 6th, 5th, 4th September), the percentage of cases for such people were 4%, 4%, 4%, 3%.

              ZeroHedge’s figures are from July so they would need closer scrutiny but, if they were correct, isn’t it odd that the chances of catching the virus now, if one is fully vaccinated, are way down?

              It’s odd though, isn’t it, that people who decry official figures and claim they are all bullshit suddenly swear by them as accurate if they appear to support their particular narrative?

            • Hideaway says:

              FE twice you have put up a graph that has nothing to do with the vaccines and certainly doesn’t prove any point of yours.

              Is Ivermectin effective, yes it is from the data I’ve seen, so I’ll probably use it when I get Covid, even though I’ve been vaccinated.

          • geno mir says:

            If this is true it proves that the advertised efficacy of Pfizer vaccine is way less than 95%. Are you comfortable with this bit of reality?

  22. Mike Roberts says:

    An incredibly optimistic view of society in 2050, after net-zero is attained:

    When the alarm goes off, the torrential rain outside is almost enough to send Isla back under her duvet. That’s unusual for a late summer day. Drier and much hotter summers have been the norm for years here in the south of the UK. Mind you, unpredictable weather has become a feature of life in recent years.

    Fortunately, Isla’s home is the same steady 20°C all day long, comfortable and draught-free. The idea of a home where the temperature fluctuates constantly, like her parents used to have, is alien to her. She doesn’t even know what the temperature is. An algorithm learned the warmth she prefers. Walking downstairs, Isla glimpses the unit in her garden that extracts heat from the air. Apart from some relatives in Yorkshire who still have hydrogen boilers from a big trial back in the 2020s, everyone she knows has a heat pump like this.

    Making a cup of tea, Isla’s kettle looks the same as the ones her mother used three decades ago. But 95 per cent of the electricity it uses comes from wind and solar farms, a far cry from 40 per cent in 2020. The milk in her tea came from a cow. She knows that is old-fashioned, but still seeks it out in the boutique section of her online supermarket, despite the ubiquity of plant-based milk.

    Today is a rare in-person day at the office. Unusually, Isla owns rather than shares an electric car – it is one of the reasons she never bothered getting a separate home battery. Charging it overnight when there is a glut of wind power sees prices flip, so firms pay to use it. Her battery stopped charging a few minutes ago, so it is warm and at its most efficient.

    Driving out of town, she passes rows and rows of houses and offices with green roofs. They soon give way to a former industrial estate, now rows of boxes that look a little like jet engines, fans whirring away. They are machines to capture carbon dioxide directly from the air, fitted a few years ago by a big CO2 removal firm, Shell.

    A brief journey up the motorway sees her whizzing past the lorry lane with its tram-style power cables that run above the trucks. There are more power pylons running alongside the road than when she was a child.

    Back-to-back meetings at the office are followed by lunch out. Walking to a restaurant, she passes through the greenery of the Old Car Park, the wooded enclave that the local council deliberately allows to flood in winter. Isla and her dining companion both choose a burger. Not from an animal, obviously. Beef is on the menu as a high-end rarity with lots of words expended to explain its husbandry and genetic editing to curb methane emissions. It is too expensive for this casual lunch. A plant-based burger is cheaper, and does just fine.

    Sleepy afterwards, Isla takes a half-day and heads home for a walk to wake herself up. The first growth phase of the Great Southern Forest seems to go on forever these days, and it is a welcome refuge from the mid-afternoon heat fast evaporating the morning’s rain. Emerging from the wood, she walks uphill through the looming elephant grass that will soon be harvested to make fuel for planes flying overhead. From the highest point, she can see a handful of cattle and sheep. She finds it hard to imagine that these rolling hills were once covered with them.

    Later on, her home is still cool. Like most of her neighbours, she has no air conditioning, instead having automatic shutters for her windows, a big awning for shade and a natural ventilation system. That evening, she calls her friends. One sits chatting with the sea behind her, the 236-metre-tall blades of the Hornsea Three wind farm just about visible. Another friend in London bemoans the second days above 38°C they have had this year.

    Winding down later, Isla plans a holiday. She skims past the long-haul flights, which some of her friends still take despite the rising cost of mandatory CO2 removal and the moral opprobrium that flying attracts. Happily, as she scrolls on her phone before bed, she finds the perfect option to dream about: a luxury train tour of Norwegian vineyards.

    Where do the changes to Isla’s life in 2050 come from, and how likely are they to come to pass? Read on for the background in six crucial areas of our everyday lives – based on the situation in the UK, but with lessons for elsewhere in the world too (see “The global net-zero view”).

    This is from an article in the 4th of September issue of New Scientist which then goes on to run through various technologies and developments that might enable such a future. It is entirely unconvincing.

    Still, this kind of imagining is good. Anyone know of a well written alternative future? (I’m virtually certain that it will look nothing like the one described above.)

    • geno mir says:

      I have lots of books from yuval noah harari. But I treat those as collections of fairy tales. It is the same with that article. Just a nice fairy tale.

    • JesseJames says:

      And I thought fairy tales were for kids!

      • geno mir says:

        Fairy tales aka narratives make the people tick and the world spin. One of my hobbies is narratives research. The guy i mentioned is pushed very hard in the sphere of ‘intellectual literature’ hence the narratives he conjures.

    • Azure Kingfisher says:

      Read “The Machine Stops,” by E. M. Forster. Short story, published November 1909. The parallels to today and the near future are astounding.
      Some think Forster “predicted” future technologies like “social media,” interfacing programs like “Skype,” iPad-like tablets, and so on. I think it’s rather a case of us not being the first advanced civilization on Earth.

      “The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.”

      “Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.” – Ecclesiastes 1 (KJV)

      In more modern support of this idea, consider the following news article:

      In an April 1953 newspaper article in the Tacoma News Tribune, Mark Sullivan made an uncannily accurate prediction about the future of the telephone.

      There’ll Be No Escape in Future From Telephones

      PASADENA – The telephone of the future?

      “Mark R. Sullivan, San Francisco, president and director of the Pacific Telephone & Telegraph Co., said in an address Thursday night:
      ‘Just what form the future telephone will take is, of course, pure speculation. Here is my prophecy:
      ‘In its final development, the telephone will be carried about by the individual, perhaps as we carry a watch today. It probably will require no dial or equivalent, and I think the users will be able to see each other, if they want, as they talk.
      ‘Who knows but what it may actually translate from one language to another?'”

      Personally, I think the publicized “predictions” of rather prominent people in society aren’t actually “predictions.” I think there have been multiple advanced civilizations on Earth and our current civilization is but the latest iteration. I think, in some cases, these successful “predicters” have been granted at least partial access to knowledge of our true history, and that the things they are “predicting” are actually old technology from previous collapsed civilizations that we’ve been attempting to reverse engineer. Whether narratives like the biblical flood story are correct, or whether there is some recurring, cyclical Earth catastrophe I do not know. It doesn’t take long, though, to research the megalithic ruins left all over the world and conclude that there has been massive devastation done to the Earth in the past. Some say that devastation was done thousands of years ago; some say it was done as recently as hundreds of years ago.

      If that is too far out into “conspiracy theory” town for you, then consider the reality of classified military technology. How far advanced classified military technology has become is anyone’s guess. Are they 20 years ahead of civilian technology? 50 years? And, if we can accept the reality of classified military technology, then perhaps we can accept the possibility of a “breakaway civilization” from which the majority are excluded. Perhaps this breakaway civilization shares its “aging” tech with the civilian population when they’ve advanced far enough to no longer need it.

      All of this is to say, “we’ve been here before” and there are some on this earth who know it. From time to time, they feed us crumbs in the form of knowledge and technology. But are they really inventing anything new? Or are they just debuting previously undisclosed technology that may not have even belonged to them originally? I wonder.

      • Alex says:

        Throw enough mud at the wall, some of it will stick. No one brings out the myriads of failed predictions ever made.

    • Ed says:

      Isla is happy to be living in a world with a population of 100 million. At this level wind mills and PV and batteries can supply energy. Isla is a member of the white claw clan a notorious war fight group.

  23. Many people think after the collapse the local powerfuls will be defeated

    Not the case

    They have local arrangements dating for generations.

    IN fact they will thrive after the collapse, since they can become harsher to the locals and reestablish all the feudal arrangements which were somewhat rescinded after democracy became popular.

    Now, if you don’t like the local notable, at least you can leave. After the collapse the notable will just set your house in fire, and the fire department will not appear.

    Quite a lot of people now do not appreciate that fact. I do. Since my family was a local notable before the Russians arrived in 1945.

    • geno mir says:

      If those locals don’t have guns and men to wave them I don’t think they will make it at all. I even bet that any notables without firepower and men at their disposal will be the first to take a dirt nap when SHTF. Perhaps in some societies in central asia and AIPAC such arrangement is viable but not in the core.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      “Since my family was a local notable before the Russians arrived in 1945.”

      Ironic. And yet you project certainty that the same thing will not happen to the English ‘notables’ upon collapse. Maybe there is a psychodramatic falsification going on there?

      And the same thing happened in France. It does happen. They had ‘arrangements for a long time’ too and look at what happened to them. What counts is the present.

      I would say that all bets are off on that one. The ‘locals’ are not going to turn into pliant serfs overnight. Modern workers are not so deferential.

      If the ‘notables’ are liable to ‘burn down’ the homes of the ‘locals’ with impunity, as you say, then why would the ‘locals’ not do them in first? Presumably you are telling us these things to urge us on to do so.

      Society likely will be stratified after collapse but that does not mean that old ‘notable’ families will survive. That remains to be seen. Indeed the entire island could fall to outside forces – that is how the Normans set up shop in the first place.

      Is all this drama because you have to clean your own toilet?

      You sound like a right ‘Prince Andrew’.

    • I would give people who are currently of elite status a better chance of surviving than others. That seems to be what has happened through the ages. But, it truly different skills are needed (more physical strength, for example, that could change.

  24. Mirror on the wall says:

    ‘Prince’ Andrew is now hiding out at his mummy’s Scottish castle to avoid receiving legal papers about charges of repeated child r/pe and battery. Multiple attempts have been made to serve the papers. The FBI has served the British state with MLAT to hand Andrew over for questioning but it refuses to cooperate.

    Evidence is also now in the public realm that Charles illegally sold titles and citizenship for money, and he has been reported to the Met. police but they refuse to take any action. And it was revealed earlier this year that the ‘queen’ has illegally vetted all laws and changed them to facilitate her private interests for decades but again, the police refuse to apply the law to any of them.

    Total farce. The ‘law’ is only to control the ‘plebs’, it does not apply to their ‘betters’.

    > Andrew bolts for Balmoral: Prince quits Windsor to join his mother on her Scottish holiday ‘to avoid attempts by US lawyers to serve sexual assault papers’ </b

    Prince Andrew has made a dash for the Queen's Balmoral estate to avoid multiple attempts to serve sexual assault papers at his mansion nearly 500 miles away in Windsor, it was claimed today. The Duke of York and his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson travelled up to his mother's 50,000-acre Scottish estate where she is staying while on holiday, after they were seen leaving Royal Lodge yesterday, reported The Sun. Andrew, 61, has not yet responded to the bombshell lawsuit filed in an American court by Jeffrey Epstein's former sex slave Virginia Giuffre, who claims the Duke sexually abused her when she was 17.

    Papers have not yet been served on Andrew or his lawyers despite "multiple attempts" at Royal Lodge in the last fortnight, according to reports – and the Duke is now set to stay at the Queen's estate when the case is heard.

    The civil suit is due to be heard via a telephone conference in New York on September 13. Ms Giuffre, now 38, claims she was forced to have sex with Andrew three times on the orders of paedophile financier Epstein. She claims that the first time she was forced to have sex with Andrew was at the London townhouse of Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's alleged madam. The second is claimed to have been at Epstein's mansion in New York. The third incident was on Epstein's private island in the Caribbean, according to Ms Giuffre.

    A source told the Sun: "Andrew was going stir-crazy inside Royal Lodge for the past few weeks. He wasn't going horse riding and couldn't step outside because of attempts to serve him with the legal papers. He knows he is far safer up at Balmoral on the Queen's estate. Andrew is always described as the Queen's favourite son but she is meant to be on holiday at Balmoral. With Andrew and everything that is happening with Charles and the investigation into cash for honours she must be wondering when she will get any peace and quiet."

    The allegations against Andrew are not the only crisis unfolding for the Royal Family, as it has recently been claimed that the Prince of Wales was "100 per cent" behind an offer to help Saudi tycoon Mahfouz Marei Mubarak bin Mahfouz secure UK citizenship. A letter by Burke's Peerage publisher Mr Bortrick, which was drafted in May 2014 and revealed by The Times, said that Dr bin Mahfouz's application for citizenship would "now take the highest priority". It added: "His Royal Highness supports these applications 100 per cent."

  25. Adonis says:

    Dennis the elders are doing what needs to be done the next generation is all that matters now for the elders that is why you need to adapt or die have you got your precious metals long life food big changes are coming tractors for people like us will go the way of the dodo that is why the depopulation is real how low will it go as low as it takes for the renewable resources to succeed

  26. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Highest [UK] taxes since Second World War as Boris Johnson abandons manifesto pledges.

    “Prime Minister raises National Insurance and pulls plug on the pensions triple lock to fund NHS and social care.”

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “The Bank of England could be forced into action to raise interest rates next year if inflation remains persistently higher than expected, one of Threadneedle Street’s policymakers has said.”

    • the bottom line of taxation is that governments do not have any money. Neither do local authorities etc.

      Many people, it would seem, cannot grasp that simple reality.

      the only money available (via governments) comes from taxation of all of us, via wages and commercial transactions.

      as long as they are constantly rising, ( ie via surpluses) then tax income constantly rises, and the services we expect from government are more or less delivered. Our entire economic system has been nothing more than a creation of energy surplus.

      nobody is ever entirely happy about it, but we get along somehow.

      but now we find ourselves in an entirely different situation.

      money is only tokenised energy, but we demand ‘more money’ is spent on this or that.
      what we are in fact demanding is that ‘more energy’ is spent, but it is energy that is no longer available because it costs too much to get hold of.

      So to raise more ‘money’ must mean higher taxes, which no one wants to pay.

      spending ‘more money’ is just another way of saying: we have to run faster and faster (energy burning) just to stay where we are.

      Eventually this pretence will cease, because there will come a point of collective exhaustion. The population will become effectively untaxable.
      The big ticket items: healthcare, military, infrastructure the function of government itself will go way beyond affordability.
      This where collapse kicks in.

      Just as it does if you try to run ever faster with decreasing food intake—you die.

      But as an fantasy of counterbalance, the rise of the deniers will insist that it’s just a hoax, to ‘control/cull our numbers. We have enough oil to last forever. Hooray!!!

      We see that already.
      Bill Gates, Bezos, Musk want to decimate the population so they can have the planet for themselves and their buddies.

      • Tim Groves says:

        Norman, I agree broadly with most of what you’ve written above. Only an ignoramus would take issue with it. One point I would make is that, in a pinch, governments are very good at finding things to tax. To take just two examples: The feudal Japanese authorities used to tax the peasants with a hefty cut of the rice crop based on the acreage planted. And if the harvest was poor, the peasants had to beg for relief from the burden. In the Georgian era, the British built a lot of nice houses with big windows. And then one of the Georges hit on the idea of taxing them, causing many owners to have some of their windows bricked up.

        But when we get to your penultimate paragraph, I don’t quite follow your logic. Yes, we are faced with collapse due to decreasing affordability and the inevitable failure of complex systems to continue functioning. And no, we don’t have enough oil to last forever. But it doesn’t follow that corona is not a hoax to control/cull our numbers. It could well be a hoax being implemented in order to deal surreptitiously and temporarily with the issues prodding us towards collapse.

        Decimating the population means reducing it by ten percent. That might look like a reasonable temporary solution to planners and controllers who are not bothered by pesky little details such as the knock-on effects of that reduction. Remember, the people making and carrying out the decisions are not as smart as they think they are. They are using politicians’ logic: “Something must be done. This is something. Therefore we must do it.”

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Only an ignoramus would take issue with it.

          mike? mike? calling mike? (the plug)

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I’m wondering … if a decision would have been made say 20 years ago … to exterminate all people over 65 with serious illnesses (death panels type scenario) if that such an action might have been enough to delay the CEP for another 10 years…

          I’m thinking if I had made it to 66 then the creaks and aches would have started to set in … perhaps a touch of norm’s dementia…. and I’d be looking at this shit show thinking … not such a bad time for it all to end…

          Just 10 more years… yes granny and grandpa would have to sacrifice themselves … but would that have been too much to ask??? The problem is the Elders… are Elders… and some of them might have been caught up in that cull.. along with their mates.

        • Mike Roberts says:

          Norman didn’t mention COVID-19 in relation to “hoax”, so I’m not sure exactly what he meant. If it was in relation to COVID-19, how does a hoax cull numbers? It would have to be real to cull numbers.

          Governments (at least some of them) have more than taxes; they have government bonds. They can, and do, borrow a lot of money. Of course, in theory, such debts have to be paid back with taxes but the charade can go on for a very long time before default becomes a possibility.

          • whatever a government/nation spends, it must ultimately depend on the surplus energy produced by the population of that nation.

            dress it up in fancy words, but that’s what governs national prosperity.

            when the energy output of the UK was measured in wool and grain etc, it was a rural backwater

            when it was measured in coal and iron, it became the dominant world power.

            Problem is, that energy burst shot our population from 5m to 65m, which will be unsupportable as the energy burst dies back.
            Our island cannot feed itself, and issuing goverment bonds, or debts or whatever will not alter that simple fact.


            My reference to ‘hoax’ related to the unsupportability of our current economic system. As it collapses, the conspiracy theorists will have one more to add to their ‘list’–that economic collapse’ is nothing more that a hoax foisted on us all by the ‘elite’ wanting the planet for themselves.

            The same ‘wealthy cabal’ who unleashed a manufactured virus for the same purpose.
            Or to make fortunes from making vaccines. (I forget which)

            The deniers of reality will insist its just another conspiracy—and the wealthy elite have a secret island somewhere with climate protected against global warming, while the rest of us fry and starve.

        • i used the decimate term in its general sense:

          >>>1. GENERAL
          ..kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of.
          “the inhabitants of the country had been decimated”
          kill one in every ten of (a group of people, originally a mutinous Roman legion) as a punishment for the whole group.
          “the man who is to determine whether it be necessary to decimate a large body of mutineers”<<<

          Still, nitpicking occupies your day I guess.

          to discuss the concept of Bezos et al selecting 1 in 10 of us for extermination is a concept (I thought anyway) too ludicrous even for the hoaxbending fraternity of OFW.

          I was wrong. It also explains why i don't comment much on ofw.

          I equate it to seeing someone on a soapbox in the town square, ranting on about something or other. You roll your eyes and walk on by. ( barstooling has the same effect)

          There are, I admit, things amiss with this covid/vaccine thing. much of it may have been a knee jerk reaction by politicians faced with an insoluble problem. (as you say, they must be seen to be 'doing' something)
          But adding it to eddy's hoaxlist (we've all seen that list, my only question is wondering what will be added in 2022.) simply fuels the nonsense of it all.

          Like the rest of the nonsense list……It is a concept that depends on 000s of people being part of the conspiracy to hoodwink the rest of us…to be a part of that conspiracy for some kind of personal benefit.
          They can't all be shareholders in a vaccine manufacturing facility, (as Fauci is supposed to be)

          So what is the point?

          Ah yes–that is part of the 'plot'. Which of course we are not priveleged to know.

          Only the 'elite' have been told.

    • I would expect the UK would have similar problems to the US with rising pension requirements as the population gets older.

  27. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Emerging Market Central Banks Respond to Inflation Shock.

    “Central banks in emerging markets (EM) have been responding aggressively to accelerating inflation, Fitch Ratings says in a new report. The speed with which the broad direction of EM monetary policy has changed has been striking…”

  28. Harry McGibbs says:

    “China Property Crackdown Alarms Analysts as Economic Risks Grow.

    “Economists at Nomura Holdings Inc. are calling the curbs China’s “Volcker Moment” that will hurt the economy. The credit squeeze in the property sector is “unnecessarily aggressive” and may weigh on industrial demand and consumption… A prominent Chinese economist cautioned of a potential crisis should home values drop below mortgages.”

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Fitch Ratings cut the ratings of China Evergrande Group (3333.HK) and two of its subsidiaries on Wednesday, the latest in a series of downgrades targeting the property firm due to worries over its ability to restructure its huge debts.”

    • No kidding! China has a huge problem! According to the article, “the [housing] industry accounts for more than 28% of gross domestic output.

      We read earlier that in the big cities, the ratio of property value to earnings exceeded 40, which is far higher than even in high cost cities elsewhere. This is a bubble which looks ready to “pop”.

      • Artleads says:

        Not sure if I’m the only one who knows nothing of these things…but how do “earnings” and property values relate?

        • Harry McGibbs says:

          Artleads, it’s an indicator of how insane their housing market is that property prices are so expensive relative relative to what people are actually earning. It suggests a huge amount of speculating and borrowing is going on – a dangerous bubble, in other words.

          • Artleads says:

            Thanks, Harry McGibbs, DJ, gwb, Phil D.I can see what was being referred to now, but wish the terminology were a bit easier for business outsiders–daydreamers–to understand.

        • Phil D says:

          It’s impossible to make the monthly payments on a $4 million house when your earnings are $100k per year (40:1 ratio). Do the math. There is a limit to high the average home price can rise relative to the average income.

        • gwb says:

          In the U.S., the rule of thumb is that one shouldn’t spend more than about 30% of one’s income on housing, i.e., if your annual income is $100,000 – then a $350,000 house is about the maximum one can afford. The 40-to-1 property value to income ratio in China means that you’re trying to pay for a $4,000,000 property on that $100,000 income.

        • Artleads says:

          Thanks to all for the clarification!

      • Alex says:

        About 75% of the Chinese household wealth is in real estate; about 75% of the U.S. household wealth is in paper assets. Pick your poisonous bubble.

  29. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Euro junk bond yields below inflation for first time [ie real yields have turned negative]…

    “Yields on euro area junk-rated bonds have fallen below the bloc’s inflation rate for the first time, a further sign of the scarcity of assets offering investors any real returns.”

  30. Tim Groves says:

    Oscar has given and taken a lot of jabs in his time, but it was the jabs he got to protect him against Covid-19 that really knocked him out!

    Also, they obviously didn’t protect him against Covid-19.

    Decorated boxer Oscar De La Hoya announced on social media that he has been hospitalized for COVID-19 despite being fully vaccinated.

    “I mean what are the chances of me getting COVID?” Hall of fame boxer Oscar De La Hoya said in a video message on Instagram. “I’ve been taking care of myself and this really, really kicked my a–.”

    In the Instagram post, De La Hoya wrote in English and Spanish that he had been fully vaccinated but had still gotten sick, adding he would not be able to compete in a scheduled fight the following weekend.

    “Preparing for this comeback has been everything to me over the last months, and I want to thank everyone for their tremendous support. I am currently in the hospital getting treatment and am confident I will be back in the ring before the year is up. God bless everyone and stay safe,” De La Hoya wrote.

    My question: What are the chances of a super-fit hall-of-fame athlete in his mid-forties ending up in hospital with Covid-19 IF HE HADN’T BEEN JABBED?

    • Hideaway says:

      The odds of him being in hospital if he wasn’t jabbed were probably double those of being jabbed, according to the stats coming out of UK and Israel. Shame many here don’t know how to interpret statistics correctly.

      According to research found by Chris Martenson those with one jab and have had Covid as well, have better immunity than those with either just 2 jabs OR just having Covid.

      Perhaps the full vaccination and now an case of Covid as well, will mean De La Hoya will be well protected from further variants.

      Without any vaccination he could been one of the statistics of non survival, but we will never know.

      Realistically, does anyone want to discuss the real problems of the world, overpopulation, resource limits being reached, peak net energy, etc and not symptoms like Covid or CC as it was last year??

      It seems like the mainstream/elite/illuminati (whoever) have averted most discussion of the real problems on so many blogs by side tracking them with Covid.

      • Mitchell2 says:

        covid is a distraction, but you must break the spell from covid in order to focus on the real problems. This psychologist shows how to do it

      • Tim Groves says:

        Hideaway, you are permitted and welcome to raise any real issue you want here. You can be the change you want to see in the comments. Who knows, some people may even post replies.

        Do you have access to any accurate statistics on the numbers and percentages of unvaxed vs. vaxed active professional boxers being hospitalized due to Covid-19 symptoms? If you do, post them, give us all a lesson in statistics and shame me for real. I’m a big boy now. I can take the humiliation.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          hideaway… don’t hide from this

          Immunization expert: ‘Unvaccinated people are not dangerous; vaccinated people are dangerous for others’

          You can suck your thumb … but don’t hide … unless you want to join dunc in his self-imposed Dungeon of Shame hahahaha

          dunc … repeat after me — 95% – 95% – 95% using the cadence of U! – S! – A!

          At least dunc has the decency and dignity to shun himself… can’t say the same for norm

          What’s it gonna be hideway… throw your cards down … Tim has called.

      • DB says:

        I don’t know what stats from the UK and Israel you are referring to (you didn’t give a link). Recent UK stats are indeed consistent with what Tim said:

        • I am wondering if the vaccinated group of under 50% was disproportionately close to fifty in age and in poor health, driving their risk up.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Wow – check out what i get when I click that suspicious link … an intermediary page

          Dangerous Webpage BlockedYou attempted to access: is a known dangerous webpage. It is highly recommended that you do NOT visit this page.

          Visit Norton to learn more about phishing and internet security.
          Continue to the site
          View Full Report

          Someone really doesn’t want me to look at that page…

          Covid-19 hospitalisation-fatality rate among Fully Vaccinated under 50’s is 175% higher than rate among unvaccinated under 50’s according to PHE data

          Covid-19 has disproportionately affected the elderly and vulnerable with other underlying conditions, and data shows that the risk of death due to Covid-19 ranges from miniscule to negligible for the under 50’s prior to the availability of a Covid-19 injection. This makes the latest Public Health England data on Covid-19 extremely concerning, because it shows the risk of death for people under the age of 50 due to Covid-19 increases if they have been fully vaccinated.

          Public Health England have been periodically releasing a report on Covid-19 variants of concern in the United Kingdom, and their latest report was released on the 3rd September covering data on cases, hospitalisations, and deaths due to the Delta Covid-19 variant from the 1st February up to the 29th August 2021.

          Table 5 of the report shows that within this time frame there have been 212,989 alleged confirmed cases of the Delta Covid-19 variant in the unvaccinated group of under 50’s, and 62,403 confirmed cases of the Delta variant in the fully vaccinated group of under 50’s.

          The report also shows that in the same time frame 2,070 unvaccinated people under the age of 50 have presented to emergency care resulting in overnight inpatient admission, whilst 336 fully vaccinated people under the age of 50 have presented to emergency care resulting in overnight patient admission.

          PHE’s report also shows that 99 unvaccinated people under the age of 50 have allegedly died due to Covid-19 since the 1st February up to the 29thAugust 2021, whilst 37 fully vaccinated people under the age of 50 have allegedly died due to Covid-19 in the same time frame.

          At first glance these numbers may make you believe that the Covid-19 injections are working, but when you analyse the number of deaths against the number of hospitalisations and cases in each group they tell a completely different story.

          Out of 212,989 alleged confirmed cases of the Delta Covid-19 variant in the unvaccinated group of under 50’s there have been 99 deaths. This equates to 0.04% of all cases in the unvaccinated under 50’s resulting in death.

          However, out of 62,403 confirmed cases of the Delta variant in the fully vaccinated group of under 50’s there have been 37 deaths. This equates to 0.06% of all cases in the fully vaccinated under 50’s resulting in death.

          That means the relative risk of death due to Covid-19, if under the age of 50, fully vaccinated, and then infected with Covid-19, increases by 50%. Not the 95% claimed by the Covid-19 vaccine manufacturers, the Government, and the scientists it employs. But the risk of death is actually even worse for those unlucky enough to end up in hospital.

          Out of 2,070 unvaccinated people under the age of 50 who have presented to emergency care resulting in overnight inpatient admission, there have been 99 deaths. This equates to 4% of all hospitalisations in the unvaccinated under 50’s resulting in death.

          However, out of 336 fully vaccinated people under the age of 50 who have presented to emergency care resulting in overnight patient admission, their have been 37 deaths. This equated to 11% of all hospitalisations in the fully vaccinated under 50’s resulting in death.

          This means the relative risk of death due to Covid-19, if under the age of 50, fully vaccinated, and then hospitalised with Covid-19 increases by 175%.

          The data from Public Health England clearly shows that the Covid-19 injections seem to be having the opposite effect to what was allegedly intended. This is not a one off occurrence and a case of waiting for more data as the data has now repeatedly shown this for weeks.

          We’re not sure what it will take for the government and those in positions of power and influence to admit the jabs do not work and make the recipient worse, all we know is that the data doesn’t lie and they want to now give this experimental, deadly injection to your children.

          Now who would be forcing norton to block a page and issue these warnings… is this what we refer to as conspiring?

          norm dunc are the experts in this area… fellas?

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      Not to particularly disagree with you, Tim, but as a boxing fanatic I must point out that Oscar has not taken good care of himself over the years and has well-documented issues with substance abuse. I watched footage of him guest-commentating a fight just a few months ago and he was clearly out of his mind.

      He was in training for this eight-round fight against Vito Belfort though so must have whipped himself into pretty good shape. To further thicken the plot, Derik Santos, Belfort’s trainer has suggested that Oscar was faking or exaggerating his illness to get out of the fight.

      • Tim Groves says:

        Thanks for this. Perhaps Oscar isn’t as fit as I thought he was.

        • Harry McGibbs says:

          Something else to bear in mind is that a very tough training regimen can actually leave you with temporary immunodepression.

          God knows what the situation is with Oscar though – a terrific and courageous fighter in his day but a terribly flawed and, to be candid, rather sleazy human being these days.

    • nikoB says:

      Wouldn’t it be lovely if we had good data on –

      jabbed vs unjabbed

      prophylactic interventions

      early intervention protocols once infected for both jabbed vs unjabbed

      Then we might see exactly what is working.

      I wonder why they just aren’t doing that?

  31. Lastcall says:

    Is this true; $75 million for Canadians killed by Injections.

    Is it enough?

    The Canadian government has announced a 75 million dollar program to settle claims from people who died as a consequence of the coronavirus vaccines. This doesn’t cover injuries, hospitalizations, just deaths. Either there’s a massive amount of graft, these are way more dangerous in the short term than I thought, or the Canadian government is busy preparing for a crisis when some long term issue comes out.

  32. Bei Dawei says:

    “Alex” is funny today:

    (It’s funny, because it’s true.)

  33. Fast Eddy says:

    “Four in five people aged 16 and over in U.K. have had both vaccine jabs, says Government” – A total of 43,535,098 people have had two jabs (80.1%) and 48,292,811 have been given one dose (88.8%)

    PR Team pops the corks!

    • Tim Groves says:

      Up until February this year, Daegel’s was projecting that the UK population would drop from the current 66M to 14M by 2025. That’s a decline of around 80%. Back in 2015, they were projecting a drop from 64M to less than 23M by 2025, which is decline of 65%.

      I’m not suggesting this means anything as we don’t know what (if any) data the projections were based on, but these figures are roughly in line with the current number of jabbees.

      • Minority of One says:

        These % drops in population don’t make sense to me. I have mentioned before, I think that with a 10% drop the operation of modern society will get very difficult, with a 20% drop not possible. Well before losing 65% of the population, that is game over. Power plants would not have the staff needed to operate, we would be in some sort of dark ages where most starve, and the survivors are not very nice to one another. Where are the (unvaxxed) elite going to – Australia? Nice climate for the elderly anyway.

  34. Lastcall says:

    Norm from an earlier thread that ran out of replies;

    This was your message; ‘scientists do not seek to inflict ‘thier way’ on anyone. Unless the scientist is a charlatan.’

    This was my point. The scientists are inflicting their flakey models, shabby predictions and diabolical treatments on us.
    NZ is being run into the ground by a pack of over-schooled and under educated professors, doctors and assorted apparatchiks; Otago Uni is the heart of this disease.

    The ‘Fauci put’ is a scientist inflicting their way on untold millions.

    Your statements are circular and disingenuous. Your belief in ‘proven’ science is childlike, and would tend to indicate a minimum of real world experience. Science is bought and sold in much the same way as the shares in any business.

    When it comes to fraud the Pharmaceutical industry puts Wall street in the shade.

    • Mike Roberts says:

      New Zealand is a success story, if you consider freedoms and the economy. It’s now hit a Delta outbreak, which appears to be under control. Most of the country has some limited restrictions, though the centre of the outbreak (Auckland) is still in strict lockdown. If and when the outbreak is beaten back, the country’s residents may again have full freedoms, apart from border restrictions which make international travel difficult.

      So “run into the ground” seems harsh and unwarranted. Maybe the government (though generally supported by all other political parties) has the wrong approach for how to deal with the virus long term but I don’t think you’ll find a lot of people here who’d share your view once this lockdown has done it’s job (if it does).

      As an aside, the current outbreak has seen 855 cases but only 38 of those are fully vaccinated individuals, the vast majority are totally unvaccinated. 38 represents 4% of those eligible to receive the vaccine. Almost a third (33%) of eligible residents (12 years old and up) have received the vaccine.

      • Lastcall says:

        You are obviously not in business. The printing press has ensured that the pain is delayed but not diminished.

        To call level 4 lockdowns ‘limited restrictions’ is laughable. Ivermectin in one of India’s largest state (240 million peolple) gave them total freedom
        Delta is more transmissable but less dangerous; the perfect teaser to immunise the country. You may have noticed that no one has died from this flu.
        Israel has high vaccine rate, high delta infection rate. How about some intellectual honesty Mike; deal with that statistic.

        • Mike Roberts says:

          I didn’t say level 4 was limited restrictions. Perhaps read the comment you’re replying to first?

          Delta is less dangerous? How do you know?

          Look at the Israeli data. I don’t know what you think it shows but fully vaccinated individuals have the least chance of becoming a case.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Study: COVID Shot Enhances Delta Infectivity

            According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, people who got the COVID shot early are now at increased risk for severe COVID disease

            This may be a sign that antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) is occurring, or it may simply indicate that the protection offered is limited to a few months, at best

            Recent research warns the Delta variant “is posed to acquire complete resistance to wild-type spike vaccines.” This could turn into a worst-case scenario that sets up those who have received the Pfizer shots for more severe illness when exposed to the virus

            To “stay ahead of the virus,” the Biden administration is now considering recommending a booster shot five months after the initial two doses rather than waiting eight months, as previously suggested

            Israeli data show Pfizer’s shot went from a 95% effectiveness at the outset to 39% by late July 2021, when the Delta strain became predominant. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s expectation for any vaccine is an efficacy rate of at least 50% compared to placebo

            The official COVID-19 vaccine narrative changes rapidly these days. It took just one month for it to go from “if you’re vaccinated you’re not going to get COVID,”1 including the Delta variant,2 to “people who got vaccinated early are at increased risk for severe COVID disease.”3

            From the get-go, I and many other medical experts have warned of the possibility of these shots causing antibody dependent enhancement (ADE), a situation in which the shot actually facilitates a cascade of disease complications rather than protects against it. As a result, you may suffer more severe illness when encountering the wild virus than had you not been “vaccinated.”


          • Fast Eddy says:


            • I meant this:

              Rates of SARS-CoV-2 transmission and vaccination impact the fate of vaccine-resistant strains

              Using parameters realistically resembling SARS-CoV-2 transmission, we model a wave-like pattern of the pandemic and consider the impact of the rate of vaccination and the strength of non-pharmaceutical intervention measures on the probability of emergence of a resistant strain. As expected, we found that a fast rate of vaccination decreases the probability of emergence of a resistant strain. Counterintuitively, when a relaxation of non-pharmaceutical interventions happened at a time when most individuals of the population have already been vaccinated the probability of emergence of a resistant strain was greatly increased. Consequently, we show that a period of transmission reduction close to the end of the vaccination campaign can substantially reduce the probability of resistant strain establishment. Our results suggest that policymakers and individuals should consider maintaining non-pharmaceutical interventions and transmission-reducing behaviours throughout the entire vaccination period.

              I haven’t really read the whole article, but I am not convinced that it proves as whole lot. Keep everyone locked down for years, until everyone has been vaccinated (and the vaccine’s effectiveness wanes? Is wearing masks indoors enough, after the variant has already appeared?

              Is a fast rate of vaccination really helpful in the middle of the epidemic, if it is leaves quite a few severe cases?

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I suspect that NZ is going to be in and out of lockdowns going forward…. just as it is now required to put on a MOREON Mask on the South Island in shops and other public places…

          I went to the hardware shop today with a MOREON Mask on … ill fitting with big spaces on the sides … if I had covid and was spewing that mask would be completely useless…

          Was in the garden centre asking the manager for something and he had what looked like a cold weather ski thing on his face… basically a stretchy tube that he’d pulled up to cover his face and nose… not sure if he thinks that is effective or he’s making a mockery of the mask nonsense.

          Let’s revisit this:


          • Jarle says:

            “Was in the garden centre asking the manager for something and he had what looked like a cold weather ski thing on his face… basically a stretchy tube that he’d pulled up to cover his face and nose… not sure if he thinks that is effective or he’s making a mockery of the mask nonsense. ”

            What’s stopping you from sporting a ski thing instead of a face nappy?

            • Fast Eddy says:

              nothing … but the nappy can easily hung on my gear shift and reused over and over… also I put the nappy on very loosely so I can still breathe (I keep spaces on either side so I am not oxygen deprived)….. the ski nappy gets condensation on it because it fits better (although is still totally useless) …. so it would need to be washed regularly…

              The masks are the DUMBEST thing I have ever seen .. in my entire life.

              I am trying to stay out of places where I have to wear one…

        • Xabier says:

          Well said, Lastcall.

          There is a great gulf in understanding between those in business, and those who have only ever been salaried – the latter are mostly clueless about economic and commercial realities.

          And a further widening gulf between the well-connected and favoured in this new environment, and the owners of non-favoured smaller, probably non-digital, businesses.

          I almost punched one of my customers a few months ago, who airily dismissed the lock-down problems of retail businesses, ‘as they should be able to adapt’!!

          Well, he’ll see his pensions evaporate soon enough…..

          • Fast Eddy says:

            An old friend who works for Big Pharma told me 8 months back that the lockdowns in Canada weren’t so bad — really they just affected some waiters and waitresses….

            We have not spoken since.

      • Lastcall says:

        Maybe you can do some homework…

        ‘Our results, while preliminary, suggest that if vaccinated individuals become infected with the delta variant, they may be sources of SARS-CoV-2 transmission to others.’

        And this from you Mike ;

        ‘So, if research suggests that there is no link, or that it is a very rare effect, you can just say, “I told you so.” It’s the equivalent of burying one’s head in the sand.’

        You are well under ground level Mike.

        Goose and Gander; gurgle it.
        NZ is not a success; it is a nation of sheep.

        • Mike Roberts says:

          Lastcall, What has that research to do with reproductive health? The comment from me that you quoted was to do with this comment from davidinamonthorayearoradecade in a different thread:

          it would be no surprise if the toxic spike proteins are infecting human reproductive systems, and causing lots of health problems.

          so I wouldn’t expect any conclusive results in the next few years.

          it doesn’t fit the narrative.

          You seem to be making a habit of misreading my comments and then flying of the handle about them.

          BTW, NZ has been a success for most of the period of this pandemic. Long may it continue but I see that you’d rather it didn’t.

          • Lastcall says:

            Are you kidding? Of course I recognised your answer was to another query, but your comment took the prize for stupid is as stupid does.

            Your comment was;
            ‘It’s the equivalent of burying one’s head in the sand.’

            Its’ your modus operandi Mike. That was the point.
            In case you don’t recall ALL of NZ was under level 4 lockdown for 2 weeks. Where were you Mike; didn’t you notice your limited freedoms?
            Do you work in the medical industrial field by chance? Are your freedoms not important to you?
            Delta seems to be a bigger problem for the injected judging by results thus far.

            NZ is not a success; its a hobbit kingdom running on socialist hot air.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              With a PM who is half donkey … or perhaps British royal genetics are involved… she has a touch of Prince Charles in her…. perhaps they should breed… Charles could flog the offspring for a couple of million each… that’s apparently … his thing

            • Fast Eddy says:

              As I suspected, the mainstream media have studiously ignored the rank hypocrisy of Siouxsie Wiles and her fellow traveller.

              Yesterday we published a video of Siouxsie Wiles ignoring her own advice regarding masking and congregating or socialising with friends.

              You are not allowed to do any dangerous activities, including:
              – swimming
              – surfing
              – scuba-diving
              – water-based activities with boats (sail or motor)
              – using motorised equipment
              – hunting in motorised vehicles
              – tramping
              – flying aircrafts.


              Gosh surely as a key govt science advisor she’d understand how horrific Delta is… and she’d follow the damn rules!

              I wonder if they are luvvas? It never lives up to the fantasy does it…


          • Lastcall says:

            PS: Sweden is a success, Florida is a success, Australia and NZ are cowering from a seasonal flu.

        • The article’s title is Vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals have similar viral loads in communities with a high prevalence of the SARS-CoV-2 delta variant

  35. Bei Dawei says:

    “In retrospect, hiding all the microchips in Horse Dewormer was a stroke of genius.” –Andrew Thaler

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      we thought we were playing 3D chess, but they were playing 4D.

      though I wonder what horse owners are going to think when their horses are being controlled by passersby with their 5G smartphones.

    • Xabier says:

      Very funny. It wasn’t the virus, nor the vaxxes but…..the horse de-wormer!

  36. Fast Eddy says:

    And today a nice chat with the medical complaints lady …. she informed me that informed consent is The Law… and she is troubled that a doctor said she had data indicating children are at significant risk of death from covid…. yet is refusing to provide that data.

    There is a process to expedite the complaint — as I pointed out the doctor is no doubt telling other people the same thing .. so she is a threat to society … she is going to have a word with a higher up to see if we can move this along more rapidly.

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  38. Rodster says:

    At one point this was all a “Con-spirasee Depopulation Theory.

    “Women said the covid vaccine affected their periods. Now more than $1.6 million will go into researching it.”

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      oh look… Fauci’s NIH is funding this.

      it would be no surprise if the toxic spike proteins are infecting human reproductive systems, and causing lots of health problems.

      so I wouldn’t expect any conclusive results in the next few years.

      it doesn’t fit the narrative.

      while it is reasonable to trust the scientific method, it is obvious that “Scientists” and many medical professionals can be bought off as easily as any average person.

      where is The Science for what the toxic spike proteins are doing to reproductive systems?

      where is The Science for what the toxic spike proteins will do to bodies in 2 to 5 years?

      oh right, there cannot yet be any Science about the long term effects of these toxic spike proteins, because humans haven’t even had 2 years yet to study it.

      there can’t be any Science about long term effects yet.

      but Trust The Science that doesn’t yet exist.

      • Mike Roberts says:

        So, if research suggests that there is no link, or that it is a very rare effect, you can just say, “I told you so.” It’s the equivalent of burying one’s head in the sand.

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          no, it’s the equivalent of trusting the scientific method, and WAITING for the actual scientific results.

          what’s the science for what the toxic spike proteins in YOUR body will in probability do to YOU in 5 years?

          oh, right, there is no science yet.

          Trust The Science where and when it exists, but in your case for 5 years from now, there is none.

          but I repeat myself.

          • nikoB says:

            repeat away my friend.

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              “there can’t be any Science about long term effects yet.

              but Trust The Science that doesn’t yet exist.”

          • Mike Roberts says:

            Indeed. Your prior comment in this thread suggested that you’ve already written off any results that might come from such research (since you had used the “doesn’t fit the narrative” phrase). If you haven’t written it off, then please accept my apologies.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Hey mike … if the booster wrecks you .. get in touch … I have all the info to help you make a complaint.

              My little doctor friend’s boss called… and I explained that she’s been trying to frighten me into injecting two kids by referencing data for deaths and injuries from covid in children… but is refusing to send me the data…

              She’s not in buy he’s reviewed her notes and says there is nothing about sending me data…. and that perhaps there was a misunderstanding… he will speak to her and revert…

              I informed him that if she does not get me the data that she was referencing then we go all in with the medical complaint … so make sure she is aware that Fast Eddy is relentless … let’s see if she is able to find something that does not exist…

              The boss knows where to find Fast Eddy…


              BTW the WHO and the Vaccine Safety Board in the UK have recommended against the vax for 12-17 … the UK is proceeding anyway…. thanks for your expert advice but f789 off.

        • Lastcall says:

          Whatever happened to …
          The precuationary principle
          First do no harm
          The patient, rather than the healthcare consumer.

          Research NOT funded by industry

          Makes me sick.

        • Or this particular research didn’t find a link.

      • They’re getting right on it…

        Israeli experts analyze mRNA COVID vaccines long-term effects

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:


          “Experts believe there will be no long-term side effects to the mRNA vaccines.”

          some, perhaps many, will feel more confident about the toxic spike proteins in their bodies, having read what so-called experts “believe”.

          wow, they believe, and that is powerful.

          that might even be Science.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Actually … that’s the one thing they are telling the truth about… there won’t be a long term so how can there be any side effects

        • The article makes some reasonable points. Usually, if there is a long term effect, a person would expect some short term similar effects. Somehow, the authors don’t see these. Also mRNA is very fragile. It can’t be expected to stick around, in their opinion.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            I imagine similar people said similar things about Thalidomide…

            Do they mention in the article that Dr Robert Malone is advising that people do not put this shit into their bodies?

            I just skimmed did and did not see him mentioned…

          • Xabier says:

            From my reading around the subject, there are some very serious mid-to-long-term injuries which will not manifest immediately (as with all new drugs).

            Moreover, we have the problem of accumulating micro-clotting: you can have that and at first show no symptoms at all.

  39. Sam says:

    I see a lot of comments on “save your money, stay out of debt etc….but the way the FED and the u.s treasury is acting I wonder if the opposite is the better! Spend and buy what you need and don’t worry about debt as when this thing goes A) There will be no one to collect the money and B) The U.S dollar will be toast along with all the other currencies…this game does not favor savers at all. Borrow money now at low interest and pay it back at inflation and high interest.

    • That does sound like a reasonable strategy. I am afraid I would have trouble following it. I have always been thrifty, and not borrowed much. I have a hard time with spending, spending, spending. Of course, I was fortunate with an actuary’s salary and my husband also working.

      • Dennis L. says:

        An approximately 75 acre parcel of Iowa farmland recently sold for $22K/acre, ridiculous. My publication said there were many outsiders(read coasters) bidding actively, finally went to a neighbor, auction took less than thirty minutes, I think it was actually less than five – I try not to exaggerate.

        Personally considered purchasing a new Camry hybrid, during summer one on lot for approx $27K, gone, next one coming to lot for about $31K, seems to be the same car, more or less.

        Window for my home went up $200 between the time ordered, paid for and delivered. $20 used to get me out the door at Menard’s, now $40 minimum, groceries at Sam’s seem to have doubled, local pub is up significantly, business is down.

        It is a guess, up or down, level does not seem to be in the cards.

        Dennis L.

    • MonkeyBusiness says:

      The problem with this strategy is you don’t know how quick the collapse will happen. If they managed to actually stretch this out another 5 years or more, you’ll be toast. Remember the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

      Some people for example have been calling for the stock market to collapse since … forever. Had you listened to their prognostication, you probably would have shorted the market starting from 5 years ago …

      • Sam says:

        Oh really! A whole 5 years! You are really sticking your neck out there….ha….I thought 10 years but I wouldn’t be surprised if it only made it 5 years…there is a new ZH story about the FED finally admitting to buying stocks..! They are so desperate right now….it is a bit scary!!

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          it’s late stage scary capitalism.

          it can only get worse, but again it’s the when question.

          perhaps collecting a bunch of credit card accounts, used sparingly, with balances paid off monthly.

          then when things look to be getting really bad, not 2021 USA bad but something more like 2020 Lebanon bad, then boom max them all out on a once in a lifetime spree.


        • MonkeyBusiness says:

          Shorting the stock market over the last 5 years will make poor. A lot poorer actually. Also say hyperinflation were to happen, you have to be working a job that continuously adjusts your salary for you to be able to pay off old debts with new money.

          If you don’t actually have such a job, then what?

          • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

            if hyperinflation happens, old debts will be one of the least of our worries.

          • Sam says:

            Well I didn’t short the market the last 5 years I actually bet that there would be a melt up. I went from 350,000 net worth to over a million but do I think that’s real? Hell no, and do I think that the fat lady is about to sing … no but I do think she is warming up! The Fed cannot stop quantitative easing nor can the treasury stop printing. Interest rates can’t go up etc… the pictures are starting to come into focus. We are seeing the beginning of the end. Yes it may go on 5 years but when it crashes everything will be upside down and it will be a different reality than today. Dollars will be worthless….

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              yes it may go on 10 years… yes it may go on 15 years… yes it may go on 20 years…

              now dollars are real and aren’t worthless.

              you gotta dance while the music is playing.

              before that fat lady sings, the fat guy is singing bAU tonight, baby!


      • Agree ! I expected total collapse long before today, because of peak oil. I didn’t expect shale oïl, nor tar sand. So what if in 2006 I had say “It’s f*cked, I’ll spend all my money on an end ot the world party”, or if I had gone in a remote doomstead high in the wild mountains of a deep forest ?
        Fortunatly, I chose to remain in the comfortable IC world, enjoying 15 more years of BAU. But I must say, I often think “we have never been so close to the end” (which is in anyway always true). I also often say to myself : if I only knew the end of the world date (which doesn’t make sense, as collapse is a process. But there must be a moment in time when one must say : now it is collapse – from my point of view).

    • D. Stevens says:

      I struggle with this question about what to do. My fear is not trying to time the collapse to take advantage of easy credit rather it’s that I have no debt and a lot of savings. I wonder if people who are interested in peak-oil/resources tend to be thrifty and savers and maybe they view oil reserves like a bank account civilization is drawing down frivolously.

      I plan to continue staying out of debt and being a saver because it’s in my nature but decided I’d spend more to get things I’d like to have and are durable. These things might go up in price or become unavailable in the near future so to me it makes sense to park some savings into tangible things. Purchased various tools, new computer, off-grid solar system, extra warm clothes, socks, underwear, quality boots and shoes, home repairs, garden supplies, electric bicycle with spare parts. Still have a lot of money in the bank and a brokerage account and if all that evaporated well at least I got some things for the money. Well until the Fast Eddie band of waste land ruffians comes and takes it but until then I’m hedging my bets and diversifying into wool socks.

      • timing collapse is impossible

        you still live in a comfort zone, like me

        but if you live in a tent under a flyover, collapse has already happened.

        it could be 5/10/20 years before you move in under the flyover bridge

  40. Fast Eddy says:

    Hahahahaha… one can understand why the CovIDIOTS are frightened… when you have the top doctor in the country telling you this …. what can you expect?

  41. Fast Eddy says:

    Hello there. I understand you’re a believer. You have zealous, unwavering faith in the System. You Trust The Science™. You deem anything that falls beyond the margins of the approved narrative “misinformation,” “conspiracy theories,” and “fake news.”

    You dutifully wear your badge of obedience. You social distance. You lock down when you’re told to lock down. You report others for violating these and any other applicable dictates.

    You were first in line to get injected. You were first in line to get re-injected. You cried tears of joy both times. You cannot wait to get your booster injection.

    You have not bothered to conduct independent research outside the authorized avenues of deception; read peer-reviewed scientific literature not funded by the pharmaceutical drug cartel; or critically evaluate the press releases being parroted by your “trusted leaders,” “experts,” and media mouthpieces.

    • JMS says:

      Great post. Thanks. It deserved to be published in full on this page.
      I am tempted to translating it and sending it to all my family and friends. But I won’t, since I’ve given up bothering my dear friends and family with facts they deem too horrifying to contemplate, and since they have all been injected with the Covi.diot Jab now, it doesn’t reaaly matter anymore..

    • Mike Roberts says:

      I doubt that corresponds to even a single real person.

      • Artleads says:

        “And I’m not speaking about you, personally. You’re probably a nice person who is doing what she thinks is best. I understand where you’re coming from. I understand why so many well-meaning people feel the same as you.

        I’m speaking to everyone who persists in uncritically accepting the rationales being given for remaking our world into an open-air prison. I’m speaking to everyone who is sleepwalking into their own enslavement without a second thought, without even the willingness to examine the situation from a perspective outside the one they’ve been programmed to believe.”

        • Mike Roberts says:

          Fair enough but I still doubt that the part posted by Fast Eddy would describe any real person. Parts of the description may apply, but not all. Your snippet also applies to a lot of people who uncritically accept any blog entry which fits with their own personal narrative. You’d be hard pressed to find anyone who applies critical thinking to all aspects of their lives; I’m sure that I don’t, even though I think I try to. The author of that piece seems to think that the COVID-19 outbreak responses is “remaking our world into an open-air prison” so, of course, her comments would fit with that narrative.

          • Artleads says:

            There is no reason, based on logic or (I suppose) critical thinking why such a vast proportion of humankind should agree to be vaccinated.

  42. Fast Eddy says:

    A report released last week by Public Health Ontario (PHO) showed the incidence of heart inflammation following mRNA vaccination was significantly more prevalent in young people.

    As of Aug. 7, there were 106 incidents of myocarditis and pericarditis in people under the age of 25 in Ontario –– slightly more than half of the total of all such incidents, the Toronto Sun reported.

    There were 31 cases in the 12- to 17-year age group and 75 cases in 18- to 24-year-olds. Eighty percent of all cases were in males.

    “The reporting rate of myocarditis/pericarditis was higher following the second dose of mRNA vaccine than after the first, particularly for those receiving the Moderna vaccine as the second dose of the series (regardless of the product for the first dose),” the report stated.

  43. Marco Bruciati says:

    Hurricane in Taiwan and less chip and semiconduttori

  44. @Mirror

    Gregory Clark, who wrote “A Farewell to Alms”, also wrote a book called “The Son Rises Again”. (Apparently he is a Hemingway fan.)

    Long story short, the Norman surnames still survive and they are still in the upper crust of English society. They are still elites while the Anglo Saxons long emigrated and those who could not become chavs, similar to a Sudra in the caste system (higher than dalits, but not exactly in the same league with the 3 castes above)

    The caste system is alive and well and will be re-implemented as the gap between rich and poor grows again.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Clark may have detected some continuance of elite Norman surnames in the English elite, but he is not saying that they exclusively comprise the elite in England, or that they independently form an endogamic elite. They are likely very heavily interbred with other English elites.

      He detects very slow social mobility, upward and downward, which he attributes to the degree of endogamy (marriage within social group). He says that India has exceptionally high endogamy and slow mobility. I will look into it further tomorrow.

      In any case, there is no certainty that they will survive with elite status in the post-collapse future.

      > Are you of the Pemberley Darcys? Same ‘elite’ surnames have been at Oxbridge since the Norman Conquest

      Names like Darcy, Mandeville and Neville have attended elite universities for 27 generations

      The same elite names have dominated Oxbridge as far back as the Norman Conquest– and there’s no sign that they’re about to be ousted any time soon.

      According to new research, old aristocratic names like Darcy, Percy, Mandeville and Montgomery have been represented on the rolls at Oxford and Cambridge for 27 generations, with grave implications for social mobility in Britain.

      Despite the many social and technological upheavals in the past millennium, the study found that the names which were at the top of the social pile when William the Conqueror was on the throne are still to be found amongst the social elite nowadays.

      What’s more, family names that were poor 150 years ago tend to remain outside society’s upper echelons today. The likes of Boorman, Cholmondley, Defoe and Trevellyan are all still unlikely to penetrate the top social strata.

      The research was carried out by Dr Neil Cummins and Professor Gregory Clark at the LSE, who believe that English social mobility is not much better than it was in medieval times – and that social status is even more inheritable than height.

      Dr Cummins said: “Just take the names of the Normans who conquered England nearly 1,000 years ago. Surnames such as Baskerville, Darcy, Mandeville and Montgomery are still over-represented at Oxbridge and also among elite occupations such as medicine, law and politics.

      “What is surprising is that between 1800 and 2011 there have been substantial institutional changes in England but no gain in rates of social mobility for society as a whole.”

      The study looked at rolls of students at Oxbridge dating back to 1170, and compared names featured then to names of today, in an effort to test the currently accepted theory that it takes just five generations for families to fall or rise to the middle of the social ladder….

      • Tim Groves says:

        Love goes as the M.U. goes
        The colonel’s daughter in black stockings, hair
        Like sash cords, face iced white, studies art
        Goes home once a month. She won’t marry the men
        She sleeps with, she’ll revert to type – its part
        Of the side-show; Mummy and Daddy in the wings
        The bongos fading on the road to Haslemere
        Where the inheritors are inheriting still

        from John Marston Advises Anger
        by PeterPorter (1961)

        • Probably based upon Peter Porter’s own experience. He is an australian and wikipedia does not mention his background. He went to London, was active there for some time, but had two suicide attempts before he returned to Australia and married a f’king nurse.

          He was relatively smart but not from the class the girls who mattered would marry, so he fell back to his own class.

          Not surprisingly he treated his wife like shit and she latter suicided.

      • Xabier says:

        What load of old tripe, fussing about Norman surnames at Oxford and Cambridge, at the End of the World!

        But then I suppose it’s either that, play Scrabble, or snort exciting substances with FE and his harem…..

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        There may be some unpalatable truths about British society that people prefer to ignore.

        It may be that the British state chooses to promote myths about the society, like social mobility and egalitarian values, simply for social control of the population.

        ‘Yes, there is significant social mobility in UK, this is a society that values equality.’

        That may be complete rubbish to fool people about the sort of society that they live in.

        ‘Yes, you really ought to value those things, it is what British society is all about.’

        Likely the myths are also intended to promote ‘values’ that facilitate acquiescence to domestic market and labour expansion. It helps for capital accumulation.

        ‘Its the British thing to do!’

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Likely emigration has had some impact but the mass of English, like all countries, have always been labouring classes, so there is nothing changed or unusual about the fact that most of them still are, as most are in all societies.

  45. wheretogetivermectin says:

    Longtime reader, never posted anything. Currently I’m looking for ways to get my hands on some Ivermectin in Europe. Since in Europe you need a prescription (at least in the area I life) for it, it isn’t that easy. So I wanted to ask, if anybody has any insights or ideas? Or if it was already discussed somewhere in the comment section a link.

    thanks and best regards

  46. Ed says:

    My friend who is a car and truck enthusiast tells me many car and truck manufacturers are shutting down for the remainder of the year. This again seems like coordinated action not dumb luck.

    • Rodster says:

      I believe that’s true and it has a lot to do with the shortage of computer chips. Remember, cars today have multiple onboard computers.

    • surely, what seems like coordinated action, is an overall shortage of components affecting everyone

      • Ed says:


        I would love to see Tesla hit with a chip shortage.

        Elon: See that empty field over there? That is where I want to new chip factory. I want it built in two weeks.

        Mark the manager: But Elon it will take months to build the building

        Elon: Then use a tent. Get a move on.

        Mark: But what about particulates?

        Elon: Mark, Mark, Mark, do I have to do all the engineering around here. Let’s order of magnitude this on the whiteboard. ……

      • geno mir says:

        Combined west is not everyone my boy (rather old boy I think). Russia’s auto sector has grown almost 5% from the start of the year. In addition sales of new cars in Russia and CIS are also in the upward move (4.5% increase YTD).
        And no, Russia doesn’t produce only LADAs and VAZs. They produce lots of Benz, BMW, VAG models and SK brands.
        At the same time their millitary production for 2021 is also growing. Apart from domestic production (this year is record in terms of domestic millitary procurement) they have produced about 30 billions of export millitary items.

    • D. Stevens says:

      no demolition derby this year at the fair and I think maybe used cars and their parts are too expensive to smash up for a few minutes of fun. Tractor pulls are still a go! Enjoy the BAU while you still can.

    • Dennis L. says:


      JD tractor lot, nothing save one used small tractor and some garden versions; hopefully I will have one in early October otherwise it is next summer.

      None of this makes sense.

      Dennis L.

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