Models Hide the Shortcomings of Wind and Solar

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A major reason for the growth in the use of renewable energy is the fact that if a person looks at them narrowly enough–such as by using a model–wind and solar look to be useful. They don’t burn fossil fuels, so it appears that they might be helpful to the environment.

As I analyze the situation, I have reached the conclusion that energy modeling misses important points. I believe that profitability signals are much more important. In this post, I discuss some associated issues.

Overview of this Post

In Sections [1] through [4], I look at some issues that energy modelers in general, including economists, tend to miss when evaluating both fossil fuel energy and renewables, including wind and solar. The major issue in these sections is the connection between high energy prices and the need to increase government debt. To prevent the continued upward spiral of government debt, any replacement for fossil fuels must also be very inexpensive–perhaps as inexpensive as oil was prior to 1970. In fact, the real limit to fossil fuel extraction and to the building of new wind turbines and solar panels may be government debt that becomes unmanageable in an inflationary period.

In Section [5], I try to explain one reason why published Energy Return on Energy Investment (EROEI) indications give an overly favorable impression of the value of adding a huge amount of renewable energy to the electric grid. The basic issue is that the calculations were not set up for this purpose. These models were set up to evaluate the efficiency of generating a small amount of wind or solar energy, without consideration of broader issues. If these broader issues were included, EROEI indications would be much lower (less favorable).

One of the broader issues omitted is the fact that the electrical output of wind turbines and solar panels does not match up well with the timing needs of society, leading to the need for a great deal of energy storage. Another omitted issue is the huge quantity of energy products and other materials required to make a transition to a mostly electrical economy. It is easy to see that both omitted issues would add a huge amount of energy costs and other costs, if a major transition is made. Furthermore, wind and solar have gotten along so far using hidden subsidies from the fossil fuel energy system, including the subsidy of being allowed to go first on the electricity grid. EROEI calculations cannot evaluate the amount of this hidden subsidy.

In Section [6], I point out the true indicator of the feasibility of renewables. If electricity generation using wind and solar energy are truly helpful to the economy, they will generate a great deal of taxable income. They will not require the subsidy of going first, or any other subsidy. This does not describe today’s wind or solar.

In Section [7] and [8], I explain some of the reasons why EROEI calculations for wind and solar tend to be misleadingly favorable, even apart from broader issues.

Economic Issues that Energy Modelers Tend to Miss

[1] The economy is very short of oil that is inexpensive-to-extract. The economy seems to require a great deal more government debt when energy prices are high. Models for renewable energy production need to consider this issue, even if any substitution for oil is very indirect.

I think of the problem of rising energy prices for an economy as being like a citizen faced with an increase in food costs. The citizen will attempt to balance his budget by adding more debt, at least until his credit cards get maxed out. This is why we should expect to see an increase in government debt when oil prices are high; oil and other fossil fuels are as essential to the economy as food is to humans.

Figure 1. Year by year comparison of US government receipts with US government expenditures, based on data of the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, together with boxes showing when oil prices were in the range of about $20 per barrel or less, after adjusting for inflation. Series shown is from 1929 to 2022.

Figure 1 shows that most US government funding shortfalls occurred when oil prices were above $20 per barrel, in inflation-adjusted prices. For the 15-year period 2008 through 2022, US government expenditures were 26% higher than its receipts.

Figure 2 shows a reference chart of average annual oil prices, adjusted for inflation.


Figure 2. Average annual inflation-adjusted Brent oil prices based on data from BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy.

The reason why oil prices tend to be high now is because the inexpensive-to-extract oil has mostly been extracted. What is left is oil that is expensive to extract. The low prices in the years surrounding 1998 reflected a supply-demand mismatch after the Asian Economic Crisis of 1997. The crisis held down demand at the same time as production was ramping up in Iraq, Venezuela, Canada, and Mexico.

[2] Economists tend to assume that shortages of oil will lead to much higher fossil fuel prices, thereby making renewables inexpensive in comparison. One reason this doesn’t happen is related to the buildup of debt, noted in Figure 1, when oil prices are high.

Section [1] shows that high oil prices seem to be associated with government deficits. A high-priced substitute for oil would almost certainly have a similar problem. This governmental debt tends to build up, and at some point becomes almost unmanageable.

A major problem occurs when there is a round of inflation. Central banks find a need to increase interest rates, partly to keep lenders interested in lending in an inflationary economy and partly to try to slow the inflation rate. In fact, the US is currently being tested by such a debt buildup and increase in interest rates, beginning about January 2022 (Figure 3).

Figure 3. Chart by the Federal Reserve of St. Louis showing US 30-year mortgage rates, interest rates of 10-year Treasuries, and interest rates of 3-month Treasury Bills from 1935 through May 2023.

Higher interest rates tend to have the effect of slowing the economy. In part, the economy slows because the cost of borrowing money rises. As a result, businesses are less likely to expand, and would-be auto owners are likely to put off new purchases because of the higher monthly payments. Commercial real estate can also be adversely affected by rising interest rates if owners of buildings find it impossible to raise rents fast enough to keep up with higher interest rates on mortgages and higher costs of other kinds.

[3] It is uncertain in exactly which ways the economy might contract, in response to higher interest rates. Some ways the economy could contract would bring an early end to both the extraction of fossil fuels and the manufacturing of renewables. This is not reflected in models.

If the economy contracts, one possible result is a recession with lower oil prices. This clearly doesn’t fix the problem of the cost of wind and solar electricity being unacceptably high, especially when the cost of all the batteries and additional transmission lines is included. In some sense, the price needs to be equivalent to a $20 per barrel oil price, or lower, to stop the huge upward debt spiral.

Another possibility, rather than the US economy as a whole contracting, is that the US government will disproportionately contract; perhaps it will send many programs back to the states. In such a scenario, there is likely to be less, rather than more, funding for renewables. I understand that Republicans in Texas are already unhappy with the high level of wind and solar generation being used there.

A third possibility is hyperinflation, as the government tries to add more money to keep the overall system, especially banks and pension plans, from failing. Even with hyperinflation, there is no particular benefit to renewables.

A fourth possibility is disruption of trade relationships between the US and other countries. This could even be related to a new world war. Renewables depend upon worldwide supply lines, just as today’s fossil fuels do. Building and maintaining the electrical grid also requires worldwide supply lines. As these supply lines break, all parts of the system will be difficult to maintain; replacement infrastructure after storms will become problematic. Renewables may not last any longer than fossil fuels.

[4] Economists tend to miss the fact that oil prices, and energy prices in general, need to be both high enough for the producer to make a profit and low enough for consumers to afford finished goods made with the energy products. This two-way tug-of-war tends to keep oil prices lower than most economists would expect, and indirectly caps the total amount of oil that can be extracted.

Figure [2] shows that, on an annual average basis, inflation-adjusted Brent oil prices have only exceeded $120 per barrel during the years 2011, 2012 and 2013. On an annual basis, oil prices have not exceeded that level since then. For a while, forecasts of oil prices as high as $300 per barrel in 2014 US dollars were being shown as an outside possibility (Figure 4).

Figure 4. IEA’s Figure 1.4 from its World Energy Outlook 2015, showing how much oil can be produced at various price levels.

With close to another decade of experience, it has become clear that high oil prices don’t “stick” very well. The economy then slides into recession, or some other adverse event takes place, bringing oil prices back down again. The relatively low maximum to fossil fuel prices tends to lead to a much earlier end to fossil fuel extraction than most analyses of available resource amounts would suggest.

OPEC+ tends to reduce supply because they find prices too low. US drillers of oil from shale formations (tight oil in Figure 4) have been reducing the number of drilling rigs because oil prices are not high enough to justify more investment. Politicians know that voters dislike inflation, so they take actions to hold down fossil fuel prices. All these approaches tend to keep oil prices low, and indirectly put a cap on output.

Why Indications from EROEI Analyses Don’t Work for Electrification of the Economy

[5] Energy Return on Energy Invested (EROEI) analyses were not designed to analyze the situation of a massive scaling up of wind and solar, as some people are now considering. If utilized for this purpose, they provide a far too optimistic an outlook for renewables.

The EROEI calculation compares the energy output of a system to the energy input of the system. A high ratio is good; a low ratio tends to be a problem. As I noted in the introduction, published EROEIs of wind and solar are prepared as if they are to be only a very small part of electricity generation. It is assumed that other types of generation can essentially provide free balancing services for wind and solar, even though doing so will adversely affect their own profitability.

A recent review paper by Murphy et al. seems to indicate that wind and solar have favorable EROEIs compared to those of coal and natural gas, at point of use. I don’t think that these favorable EROEIs really mean very much when it comes to the feasibility of scaling up renewables, for several reasons:

[a] The pricing scheme generally used for wind and solar electricity tends to drive out other forms of electrical generation. In most places where wind and solar are utilized, the output of wind and solar is given priority on the grid, distorting the wholesale prices paid to other providers. When high amounts of wind or solar are available, wind and solar generation are paid the normal wholesale electricity price for electricity, while other electricity providers are given very low or negative wholesale prices. These low prices force other providers to reduce production, making it difficult for them to earn an adequate return on their investments.

This approach is unfair to other electricity providers. It is especially unfair to nuclear because most of its costs are fixed. Furthermore, most plants cannot easily ramp electricity production up and down. A recently opened nuclear plant in Finland (which was 14 years behind plan in opening) is already experiencing problems with negative wholesale electricity rates, and because of this, is reducing its electricity production.

Historical data shows that the combined contribution of wind, solar, and nuclear doesn’t necessarily increase the way that a person might expect if wind and solar are truly adding to electricity production. In Europe, especially, the availability of wind and solar seems to be being used as an excuse to close nuclear power plants. With the pricing scheme utilized, plants generating nuclear energy tend to lose money, encouraging the owners of plants to close them.

Figure 5. Combined wind, solar and nuclear generation, as a percentage of total energy consumption, based on data from BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy. The IEA and BP differ on the approach to counting the benefit of wind and solar; this figure uses the IEA approach. The denominator includes all energy, not just electricity.

The US has been providing subsidies to its nuclear plants to prevent their closing. When one form of electricity gets a subsidy, even the subsidy of going first, other forms of electricity seem to need a subsidy to compete.

[b] Small share of energy supply. Based on Figure 5, the total of wind, solar, and nuclear electricity only provides about 6.1% of the world’s total energy supply. An IEA graph of world energy consumption (Figure 6) doesn’t even show wind and solar electricity separately. Instead, they are part of the thin orange “Other” line at the top of the chart; nuclear is the dark green line above Natural Gas.

Figure 6. Chart prepared by the International Energy Association showing energy consumption by fuel through 2019. Chart is available through a Creative Commons license.

Given the tiny share of wind and solar today, ramping them up, or those fuels plus a few others, to replace all other energy supplies seems like it would be an amazingly large stretch. If the economy is, in fact, much like a human in that it cannot substantially reduce energy consumption without collapsing, drastically reducing the quantity of energy consumed by the world economy is not an option if we expect to have an economy remotely like today’s economy.

[c] Farming today requires the use of oil. Transforming farming to an electrical operation would be a huge undertaking. Today’s farm machinery is mostly powered by diesel. Food is transported to market in oil-powered trucks, boats, and airplanes. Herbicides and pesticides used in farming are oil-based products. There is no easy way of converting the energy system used for food production and distribution from oil to electricity.

At a minimum, the entire food production system would need to be modeled. What inventions would be needed to make such a change possible? What materials would be required for the transformation? Where would all these materials come from? How much debt would be required to fund this transformation?

The only thing that the EROEI calculation could claim is that if such a system could be put in place, the amount of fossil fuels used to operate the system might be low. The overwhelming complexity of the necessary transformation has not been modeled, so its energy cost is omitted from the EROEI calculation. This is one way that calculated EROEIs are misleadingly optimistic.

[d] EROEI calculations do not include any energy usage related to the storage of electricity until it is needed. Solar energy is most available during the summer. Thus, the most closely matched use of solar electricity is to power air conditioners during summer. Even in this application, several hours’ worth of battery storage are needed to make the system work properly because air conditioners continue to operate after the sun sets. Also, people who come home from work need to cook dinner for their families, and this takes electricity. Energy costs related to electricity storage are not reflected in the EROEIs shown in published summaries such as those of the Murphy analysis.

A much more important need than air conditioning is the need for heat energy in winter to heat homes and offices. Neither wind nor solar can be counted upon to provide electricity when it is cold outside. One workaround would be to greatly overbuild the system, so that there would be a better chance of the renewable source producing enough electricity when it is needed. Adding several days of storage through batteries would be helpful too. An alternate approach would be to store excess electricity indirectly, by using it to produce a liquid such as hydrogen or methanol. Again, all of this becomes complex. It needs to be tried on small scale, and the real cost of the full system determined.

Both the need to overbuild the system and the need to provide storage are excluded from EROEI calculations. These are yet other ways that EROEI calculations provide an overly optimistic view of the value of wind and solar.

[e] Long distance travel. We use oil products for long distance transport by ship, air, truck, and train. If changes are to be made to use electricity or some sort of “green fuels,” this is another area where the entire change would need to be mapped out for feasibility, including the inventions needed, the materials required, and the debt this change would entail. What timeframe would be required? Would there be any possibility of achieving the transformation by 2050? I doubt it.

The conversion of all transportation to green energy is very much like the needed conversion of the food system from oil to electricity, discussed in [5c], above. Huge complexity is involved, but the energy cost of this added complexity has been excluded from EROEI calculations. This further adds to the misleading nature of EROEI indications for renewables.

[f] A dual system is probably needed. Even if it makes sense to ramp up wind and solar, there still will be a need for many products that are today made with fossil fuels. Fossil fuels are used in paving roads and for making lubrication for machines. Herbicides, insecticides, and pharmaceutical products are often made from fossil fuels. Natural gas is often used to make ammonia fertilizer. Fabrics and building materials are often made using fossil fuels.

Thus, it is almost certain that a dual system would be needed, encompassing both fossil fuels and electricity. There are likely to be inefficiencies in such a dual system. If intermittent renewables such as wind and solar are to be a major part of the economy, this inefficiency needs to be part of any model and needs to be reflected in EROEI calculations.

[g] “Renewable” devices are not themselves recyclable. Instead, they present a waste disposal problem. Solar panels especially present a toxic waste problem. Without much recycling, there is a long term need for minerals of many types to be extracted and transported around the world. These issues are not considered in modeling.

Profitability of Unsubsidized Renewables Is the Best Measure

[6] If renewables are to be truly useful to the system, they need to be so profitable that their profits can be taxed at a high rate. Furthermore, sufficient funds should be left over for reinvestment. The fact that this is not happening is a sign that renewables are not truly helpful to the economy.

Some people talk about the need for “surplus energy” from energy sources to power an economy. I connect this surplus energy with the ability of any energy source to generate income that can be taxed at a fairly high rate. In fact, I gave a talk to the International Society for Biophysical Economics on September 7, 2021, called, To Be Sustainable, Green Energy Must Generate Adequate Taxable Revenue.

The need for surplus energy that can be transferred to the government is closely connected with the debt problem that occurs when oil prices are higher than about $20 per barrel that I noted in Section [1] of this post. Renewable energy must be truly inexpensive, with all storage included, to be helpful to the economy. It must be affordable to citizens, without subsidies. The cost structure must be such that the renewable energy generates so much profit that it can pay high taxes. It is unfortunately clear that today’s renewables are too expensive for the US economy.

EROEI Models Can’t Tell Us as Much as We Would Like

[7] In the real economy, the economy builds up in small pieces, as new approaches prove to be profitable and as all the necessary components prove to be available. EROEI models shortcut this process, but they can easily be misleading.

The concept of Energy Return on Energy Invested has been used for many years in the field of biology. For example, we can compare the energy a fish gets from the food it eats to the energy the fish expends swimming to procure that food. The fish needs to get sufficient energy value from the food it eats to be able to cover the energy expended on the swim, plus a margin for other bodily functions, including reproduction.

Professor Charles Hall (and perhaps others) adapted this concept for use in comparing different energy “extraction” (broadly defined) techniques. More recent researchers have tried to extend the calculation to include energy costs of delivery to the user.

The adaptation of the biological concept of EROEI to the various processes associated with energy extraction works in some respects but not in others. The adaptation clearly works as a tool for teaching diminishing returns. It gives reasonable information for comparing oil wells to each other, or solar panels to other solar panels. But I don’t think that EROEI comparisons across energy types works well at all.

One issue is that there are huge differences in the selling prices of different types of energy. These are ignored in EROEI calculations, making it look feasible to use a high-priced type of energy (such as oil) to produce a low-valued type of output (intermittent electricity from wind turbines or solar panels). If profitability calculations were made instead, without mandates or subsidies (including the subsidy of going first), the extent to which there is a favorable return would become clear.

Another issue is that intermittency of wind and solar adds huge costs to the system, but these are ignored in EROEI calculations. (The situation is somewhat like having workers drop in and leave according to their own schedules, rather than working during the schedule the employer prefers.) In EROEI calculations, the assumption usually made is that the fossil fuel system will provide free balancing services by operating their electricity generation systems in an inefficient manner. In fact, this is the assumption made in the Murphy paper cited previously.

An analysis by Graham Palmer gives some insight regarding the high energy cost of adding battery backup (Figure 7).

Figure 7. Slide based on information in the book, “Energy in Australia,” by Graham Palmer. His chart shows “Dynamic Energy Returned on Energy Invested.”

In Figure 7, Palmer shows the pattern of energy investment and energy payback for a particular off-grid home in Australia which uses solar panels and battery backup. His zig-zag chart reflects two offsetting impacts:

(a) Energy investment was required at the beginning, both for the solar panels and for the first set of batteries. The solar panels in this analysis last for 30 years, but the batteries only last for 7.5 years. As a result, it is necessary to invest in new batteries, three additional times over the period.

(b) Solar panels only gradually make their payback.

Palmer finds that the system would be in a state of energy deficit (considering only energy out versus energy in) for 20 years. At the end of 30 years, the combined system would return only 1.3 times as much energy as the energy invested in the system. This is an incredibly poor payback! EROEI enthusiasts usually look for a payback of 10 or more. The solar panels in the analysis were close to this target level, at 9.4. But the energy required for the battery backup brought the EROEI down to 1.3.

Palmer’s analysis points out another difficulty with wind and solar: The energy payback is terribly slow. If we burn fossil fuels, the economy gets a payback immediately. If we manufacture wind turbines or solar panels, there is a far longer period of something that might be called, “energy indebtedness.” EROEI calculations conveniently ignore interest charges, again making the situation look better than it really is. The buildup in debt is also ignored.

Thus, even without the issue of scaling up renewables if we are to make a transition to energy system more focused on electricity, EROEI calculations are set up in a way that make intermittent renewable energy look far more feasible than it really is. “Energy Payback Period” is another similar metric, with similar biases.

The fact that these metrics are misleading is difficult to see. Very inexpensive fossil fuels pay back their cost many times over, in terms of societal gain, virtually immediately. Wind turbines and solar panels depend upon the generosity of the fossil fuel system to get any payback at all because intermittent electricity cannot support an economy like today’s economy. Even then, the payback is only available over a period of years.

I am afraid that the only real way of analyzing the feasibility of scaling up electricity using wind and solar is by looking at whether they can be extraordinarily profitable, without subsidies. If so, they can be highly taxed and end our government debt problem. The fact that wind and solar require subsidies and mandates, year after year, should make it clear that they aren’t solutions.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,344 Responses to Models Hide the Shortcomings of Wind and Solar

  1. Fast Eddy says:

    I suspect they’ll be ‘rescued’ with only a few minutes of air left… then they’ll do the rounds of all the talk shows… keeping the MORE-ONS entertained for maybe two weeks… then we’ll circle back to the Tranny Freak stuff and UKEY rubbish till the PR Team launches The Next Fakery.

    It’s a 24/7 shi t show…

    Meanwhile … the clock ticks towards midnight and the cannister release

  2. Mirror on the wall says:

    The UKR offensive is widely expected to flop, and the west may bail on UKR.

    > NATO Doubts Ukraine ‘Adventure’? Russian Spy Chief’s Big Claim I Details

    • At some point, NATO countries run out of military devices to send to Ukraine, whether they would like to support Ukraine or not.

      • Cromagnon says:

        The truly ironic part is that both the Russkies and the Americans have vastly superior technology in propulsion/weaponry etc than anyone imagines. Biblical craft,…chariots of Gods

        Eisenhower warned the public in the late 50s,…..John F Kennedy sent requests to CIA regards to UFOs and met with the Pope….he was killed quickly.

        The UFO phenomena is burgeoning and will not be able to be suppressed much longer. Take a high speed (1200 fps) infrared camera outside anywhere on earth. Point it straight up and hit record for 5 minutes…..shocking numbers of objects.

        Whether mechanisms of a complex simulacrum or evidence of both advanced human and/or non human craft.
        It increasingly appears that there are biblical ramifications of all of this.

        Think of the heavenly realm as an alternative dimensional space and the earth as a Dominion that has been granted to Homo sapiens as a result of being engineered from an elder “angelic” beings……..

        The hybrid spawn of the fallen angels were removed via cataclysm….call it the younger dryas event

        There appears to be another hybrid breeding program going on currently (since late 1800s at minimum)……this time, there are no “angelics” involved and another cataclysm appears to be rapidly approaching.

        Woo-woo ain’t what it used too be……

        • god-chariot

          hmmm

          now if i was a cro-magnon man—and had just bumped off the last surviving neanderhal—and i looked up and saw an f 35 flash overhead—i might be forgiven for thinking it was a god chariot

        • Jarle says:

          > Take a high speed (1200 fps) infrared camera outside anywhere on earth. Point it straight up and hit record for 5 minutes…..shocking numbers of objects.

          Haven’t got one, please show us an example recording.

        • lurker says:

          “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do it.”

          “We now have technology to take ET home. No it won’t take someone’s lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong.”

          “When Rich was asked how UFO propulsion worked, he said, ‘Let me ask you. How does ESP work?’ The questioner responded with ‘All points in time and space are connected?’ Rich then said, ‘That’s how it works!’ ”

          Ben Rich, CEO, Lockheed Skunk Works

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Odd that they blew up only one hydro dam… and no others… I guess they don’t know where the other ones are located?

      • Sam says:

        Yes this is a very odd war? Something is not right…

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Did someone post that the NATO countries are low on ammo so unable to provide enough to the UKES?

          hahahahaha.. low on ammo …hahahaha… now that’s a good one!!!

          Where are the massive bombardments that one would expect if they were expending so much ammo hahaha… blitzkrieg type stuff should be happening …

          NATO … USA … low on ammo … hahahahahahahahaha

          And meanwhile Putin sends the EU all the gas it wants….

          People are so easily played

          Oh BTW – M Fast had drinks with her Russian friend the other day — a very fit and hot Russian I might add… she could be a model for the brides sites… (fawgetaboutit norm.. already brided)… anyway … she was telling M Fast that there is not economic hardship back home — everything is normal… the ’embargo’ has no effect… hmmm… maybe there are no boycotts.. no embargoes?

          She also was unaware of anyone in her city having died in the war… certainly nobody in her family.

          She did not suggest that the war was fake – but then M Fast did not ask that … I have no idea what M Fast thinks about that ‘war’ .. as we have not discussed it

          This is what one might call a Snowflake War — snowflakes opposed death and destruction … they like Koombaya… and Imagine … therefore a CGI war gets their approval

    • postkey says:

      “The People’s Voice video describes in vivid style how Russian troops discovered carved-up bodies of children as young as 2 years to 6 and 7 years of age. Killed alive for their organs. Their pain-stressed blood was harvested for Adrenochrome – the “live-prolonging” remedy for the elite – traded for millions every year. “?
      https://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-harvesting-children-organs-adrenochrome-labs/5822575

      • This starts sounding like China, and its overpopulated province of provinces of Xinjiang.

        Ukraine has been very poor, like the people of Xinjiang. Things start going wrong when there are not enough resources to go around.

  3. Mirror on the wall says:

    Bye bye to those arms dumps.

    NATO needs to send some more so that Russia can blow it up?

    > Russian Rockets Tear Down Huge Ukrainian Artillery Ammo Units;

  4. Mirror on the wall says:

    Russia is ‘demilitarising’ not UKR but NATO.

    > Putin’s War Has Emptied West’s Arsenals, Admits NATO Chief; Says “Stocks Need To Be Replenished”

  5. Ed says:

    My super rough estimate to be carbon neutral by 2050 the world needs to spend five trillion dollars per year. Currently the world spends 0.5 trillion per year on renewables.

    Do any of the masters making demands actually have a budgeted plan?

    • Just multiply by 10. No problem.

      But where would this extra spending come from?

      • Fred says:

        Print baby, print!

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Just imagine how utterly mentally re tard ed one would have to be to believe we could transition off fossil fuels to fake renewables… hahahaha

        Yet billions believe this!!!

        And if you dare to ask where all the raw materials to make this transition would come from — they unhinge.

        I made this mistake once when a MORE-ON suggested this transition was possible by asking how many solar panels would be needed to power an aluminum smelter…

        He got extremely pissed off and left the room.

        hahahahahahahahaha…

        This is why I Love the Rat Juice — the MORE_ONS can insist it’s safe… and effective…

        But they cannot leave the room and avoid the poison hahahahaha

        • postkey says:

          ‘Someone’ is ‘optimistic’?
          “jim says:
          2023-06-13 at 08:34
          Trump proved me right. Stroke of a pen, price of gas went down, Biden elected president by the legacy media, stroke of a pen, gas goes up.

          Resources have been getting steadily and rapidly more abundant, in the sense that we have the technology to extract resources from low grade material that is immensely more abundant than the high grade material, the highest grades of copper and silver ore having all been used up in the bronze age.

          The question is, whether men (and it is always men, and usually white men, though some east asians) who are able to apply that technology will be allowed to do so.?
          https://blog.reaction.la/party-politics/a-retraction/?unapproved=2870811&moderation-hash=84a677f75b5477673da7821312a79ed7#comment-2870811

          • Postkey

            the more ‘technology’ you apply to producing a product, the more it costs in real terms.

            that cost can be hidden or ignored for a while—but somewhere it is accruing as a future debt, which will have to be repaid somehow.

            We produce computers far cheaper than they were 20 years ago—but we do it by making them in vast quantities, and burning huge amounts of oil, + pollution–that is out ‘future debt’. And its real.

            tight oils in the permian etc have been known about since the 1950s

            but only now are they being extracted, and only by throwing colossal amounts of energy down each hole.

            Where does that energy come from?—the conventional wells that still produce surpluses.
            And they are depleting all the time.

            When those surpluses are no longer available, tight oil will stay in the ground, no matter how much ‘technology’ you use.

            simple arithmetic—oil that delivers less energy than you use to extract it, will never be extracted—though there are dimbos around who think it will.
            the global economic system will collapse through wars of denial.

            You said—”if they are allowed to do so.” Part of the denial.

            hence game over for MAGA and the global oil-based economic system.

          • Sam says:

            Oh gawd!! Just as bad as a greenie!! Trump will make gas cheaper!! And everything else will be fine😂…sometimes people just can’t get out of their programming

        • eddy

          you’ve started hyphenating moron—is this significant?

  6. Fast Eddy says:

    hahaha

    Contaminated Food Supply Contributing Cause To Live Blood Analysis Findings In Unvaccinated? Darkfield Blood Analysis On Grocery Meat Products

    ANA MARIA MIHALCEA, MD, PHD

    https://anamihalceamdphd.substack.com/p/contaminated-food-supply-contributing

  7. Fast Eddy says:

    HOLY SH%T

    Breast cancer is already up 10x … and we are only half way through the year..

    https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/48879

    hahahahahahahahaha…. hopefully it’s a similar number for other cancers

  8. Fast Eddy says:

    Humans will be vicious when hungry

    https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/48858

  9. Ed says:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/jTXoh5L89y0/

    We need to be hopeful and positive says my favorite Viking.

  10. Fast Eddy says:

    Uh Oh … https://t.me/EdwardDowdReal/185

    Release the f789ing cannisters… or more boosters…

    Anything but ROF!!!!

  11. hkeithhenson says:

    ‘Nuclear Diesel’ Could Become A Gamechanger In Energy Markets
    By Alex Kimani – Jun 19, 2023, 7:00 PM CDT

    According to the IEA, synthetic fuels are vital in the decarbonization of transport and industry by 2050.
    Synthetic fuels can be blended in fossil fuels or can completely replace them in existing ships, airplanes or industrial technologies.
    Nuclear power could help to bring down the production costs of synthetic fuels.

    https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Nuclear-Diesel-Could-Become-A-Gamechanger-In-Energy-Markets.html

    Gail, I am not the only person talking about this.

    • China seems to already using methanol for this purpose. There are lots of links if you google it.
      https://www.marinelink.com/news/china-merchants-shipping-orders-505439
      https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news/2438212-cma-cgm-in-3bn-methanol-lng-ship-deal

      Batteries aren’t scalable for storing energy. Storing excess electricity as a liquid seems likely to work better.

      Whether or not we can scale up nuclear is iffy, in my view. Look at history since 2000.

      • hkeithhenson says:

        “Batteries aren’t scalable for storing energy. Storing excess electricity as a liquid seems likely to work better.”

        Agree. Been talking about synthetic liquid fuels for over ten years.

        “Whether or not we can scale up nuclear is iffy, in my view. Look at history since 2000.”

        It depends on how motivated people are and the particular technology. China has been talking about molten salt reactors for a long time and last week there was more news, not sure if they just approved it or powered one up.

    • Agamemnon says:

      It seems they’re ahead of the original schedule.
      If the engineering can be worked out these reactors are much more efficient than conventional. (The molten liquid is very corrosive)

      https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/thorium-molten-salt-nuclear-reactor-china

    • Jan says:

      I think electricity to gas or gasoline has a limit in efficiency due to thermodynamics. I think the minimum loss is 30%.

      • ivanislav says:

        If it works, the efficiency isn’t really critical, as long as the conversion rate is non-trivial. Nuclear power supply is a stable source, and for the sake of comparison, you should know that half the energy that goes into electricity generation is lost in distribution and voltage conversion.

        • hkeithhenson says:

          It’s not that bad, for the US it is 6-7% lost. The nice thing about nuclear plants (and power satellites) is they are steady which give you lower capital cost for the conversion hardware than intermittent sources do.

          • ivanislav says:

            It is that bad, I looked it up in the last month or so.

            • hkeithhenson says:

              “It is that bad, I looked it up in the last month or so.”

              “US transmission and distribution losses were estimated at 6.6% in 1997,[27] 6.5% in 2007[27] and 5% from 2013 to 2019.[28] In general, losses are estimated from the discrepancy between power produced (as reported by power plants) and power sold; the difference constitutes transmission and distribution losses, assuming no utility theft occurs.”

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power_transmission#Losses

              If you have a source that can be cited on Wikipedia, you should correct them or at least put it in the talk page for someone else to consider.

              Though I never worked as a utility engineer, I am an EE and have had a keen interest in power engineering for many decades.

            • ivanislav says:

              keith,

              The ~50% stat is the total loss and it might actually be higher. I did say “half the energy that goes into electricity *generation* is lost” and now, several months later, mistakenly attributed all the loss to distribution and transmission because I forgot the details.

              In other words, the energy in the natgas and coal plant inputs is at least double what is consumed at consumers’ wall sockets. Actually, coal and natgas loss is over 50%, and hydropower doesn’t have the issue because it’s renewable, so it averages out to something like 50%.

            • hkeithhenson says:

              “distribution and voltage conversion”

              That misled me. You are right about the energy conversion inefficiency from heat. The worst is nuclear reactors, they are around 33% because the temperature is relatively low and Carnot gets you. Coal steam plants run higher, up to around 45%. The highest is combined cycle plants that mostly burn natural gas. Some of those run a little over 60%.

              A few years ago I took a thermodynamics class. It’s nothing short of amazing how much trouble has been expended getting the efficiency of a heat engine up.

      • hkeithhenson says:

        30% is in the ballpark. Good catch. The last time I went though the numbers, the energy was not the biggest cost, that was the capital expense of the electrolysis cells.

        • rufustiresias999 says:

          30% loss is good. Quite common. A car engine doesn’t do better (1 – mechanical energy / gas explosion energy).
          Animal muscles do worth, I think. That’s why we sweat when we work.
          Every energy conversion has loss, through heat dissipation.

    • This is a good report by Mike Shellman on the terrible state of the Permian. As he has pointed out previously, the wells that have been drilled are producing more natural gas in the mix–roughly 50%– relative to oil. Also, the wells are producing a whole lot of water that needs to be disposed of. Natural gas is selling for too low a price. Also, the things that make up “natural gas liquids” are low valued.

      Also, there are multiple problems with marketing the natural gas produced here to the people in Europe. We don’t necessarily have the (temporary) capacity to ship the excess natural gas (which won’t last long) to Europe. Nearby producers can produce and ship natural gas much more cheaply to Europe.

      Even if the high natural gas price were in the US possible, I would doubt that Europeans could afford to pay the high US cost, plus the transport cost for the natural gas.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Sounds like the Permian is about to join Super Snatch … Out Back the Dumpster…

        It’s where the used up old hags take their Fester when they reach burn out

      • Sam says:

        This is the big story that No one is paying attention to. Art Berman did a good interview with Nate on this issue. Every one thinks the U.s is energy independent. It’s not

  12. Mirror on the wall says:

    Pro-China parties are ahead in the polls in Taiwan!

    > Counteroffensive becomes Russia offensive. Budanov haunts. Poznan coup camp. Zaluzhny yoda. U/1

    • I know that some commenters on OFW were expecting that eventually the pro-China party would win. If the US acts sufficiently badly, I expect that this pushes the process along.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        It could be good for the world if USA is stripped of the Taiwan pretext for conflict with China.

        It might help to keep BAU going for a bit longer?

        The Pentagon does not expect USA to win any conflict with China in the Pacific over Taiwan, so USA might be better off without one.

        A China conflict could well just hasten USA decline like the UKR conflict.

        Why shoot yourself in both feet?

        But we will see what happens….

      • Hubbs says:

        Again, Brian Berletic on You Tubes New Atlas has correctly called this, stating for months that the majority of people on Taiwan consider themselves as part of China. We are being fed another round of propaganda by the US govt. looking to exploit Taiwan as a proxy. The US has been meddling in Myanmar, Thailand, and Vietnam to set up puppet governments. Meanwhile more bases going up in the Philippines. I wonder how much in bribes Marcos the son is getting?

    • Chiang Kaishek’s great-grandson Chiang Wan-an(who studied in the University of Pennsylvannia and went with the name Wayne Chiang) is the real power of KMT. The The younger Chiang is very pro-Chinese.

      If Wayne, or one of his minions, win next year Taiwan will rapidly fall under Chinese influence.

      • Ed says:

        When the KMT wins the harmony of heaven will be restored to Asia.

        Then China can get on with AGI and its moon and mars bases.

    • Ed says:

      Jeffery Sachs says Canada is kinder gentler than the US.

    • The counter-offensive is not going well for Ukraine. There is a rumor that the counter-offensive will be paused for the next seven days.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The focus groups indicate the MORE-ONS are getting bored with the fake Uke war…

        The PR Team may need to introduce more fakery

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          so says the war-on (portmanteau of war + moreon).

          (not to be confused with his other title of sciencetard.)

          here maybe this will help:

          Putin’s intellect above yours = your intellect above Hoolio’s.

          war-on.

  13. @Hubbs

    About the execution of Morant, I think it was necessary.

    The Boers were angry and if they were not pacified they would rebel again and again. So they had to throw a bone, and Morant, although born in England, identified with Australia so he was a good sacrificial lamb.

    I would say that if Morant was not shot the Boers would have joined Lettow-Vorbeck’s forces and seriously damage communication in SA; indeed there was a little known rebellion in there which was only subdued on 1915.

    The British Army had more sense than the grand juries of USA now who acquit virtuaolly all police murders without really spending too much time on them.

    • Hubbs says:

      According to some historians and mentioned in the movie, even though the German Kaiser was then the late Queen of England’s grandson, the Germans were threatening to enter the war on the side of the Boars. The Germans were also interested in the gold and diamonds of South Africa, and England didn’t want to give the Germans an excuse to enter the war on the side of the Boars. Internally, England justified the executions of Australian Carbineers Morant and Hancock for killing of a German Missionary /Preacher by the name of Hess who was spying for the Boars. It was pure political appeasement in which Morant and Hancock were scapegoated.

      Did Morant and Hancock kill Boar prisoners and were acting under orders? Yes.
      Did Lord Kitchener issue orders to execute Boar prisoners? Yes. But obviously would deny it.
      Were the English hypocritically placing Boar women and children in concentration camps where they starved to death? Yes.

  14. Student says:

    (Tysol – Poland)

    Poll shows that an overwhelming majority of Ukrainians, 73% , would like to see a change in the central government after the war, at one level or another. The largest number of respondents, 69% , of respondents would like to see a change in parliament after the war.

    https://www.tysol.pl/a106033-sondaz-tylu-ukraincow-chce-zmiany-prezydenta-po-wygraniu-wojny-z-rosja

    • It is easy to see why people in Ukraine would like to see a change in the central government of Ukraine. Things have not been going well.

    • Fred says:

      Well Zelensky campaigned on a peace with Russia platform, got 70% of the vote and look how that turned out.

      Anyway Ukraine, or country 404 as it’s popularly known as now, doesn’t exist as “Ukraine” any longer. It’s economy and industry are destroyed and most of its younger, productive population has left for the EU or Russia.

      The current regime has sold most of what’s left to Blackrock et al for a song. Disaster capitalism 101.

      The kamikaze attacks, more commonly called the counteroffensive are possibly the worst military clusterf–k since WWI. Martyanov is having a field day talking about them. The Russian soldiers at the front can’t believe it either.

      To paraphrase, I love the smell of burning Leopards in the morning

  15. @Keith

    Space travel and all that are only possible when there is an entity (not necessarily a government, but possibly higher than that) requisitioning all resources and managing it, with not much for the ‘ordinary people’.

    The upper crust will be allowed to have a relatively luxurious lifestyle since maintaining them does not change the general resource equation, but mass consumption by the masses will have to cease, while all the rare materials now used to make cellular phones for the Third World for example will not be available to the majority of the world pop.

    All the gains are monopolized by the top until the space projects are well in the way .

    Nothing to be spent on social welfare, etc.

    I think I explained it well enough so anyone can understand my premises.

    • I AM THE MOB says:

    • hkeithhenson says:

      “I explained it well enough”

      I don’t particularly agree with your thoughts on this, but how this might come about is beyond me.

      Given current technology, it doesn’t look to me like humans will be in the first wave of settling space. Because of radiation, machines will be out there first. Radiation resistant machines at that.

      A big disappointment to me was finding out that where you want to construct power satellites (2000 km) the radiation is so high that a human in a space suit would pick up a lethal dose in few hours. Sigh.

      • Cromagnon says:

        There are certain populations in DUMBs all over the world that completely agree with Kulms premise. Many have actual control over semi heavenly craft and do have delusions of godhood.

        Please do note that many of them will taste like chicken when the time comes.

        Diligence when managing the spit revolutions and the basting frequency are key to achieving a more enjoyable culinary experience.

      • The Fukushima solution would have been feasible.

        In 2011, the lowlives of Tokyo, many of them hiding from the law, the debt collectors, etc, were given a suit and one-way ticket to the nuclear reactors. No one counted how many of them died – they were disposed of in some way after their half lives ended , but no one talks about them. What we know is that after Fukushima the slums of Tokyo, Osaka and Yokohama were significantly reduced in size, only containing people over sixty who would pass on sooner, and gentrification on where they used to live became rampant.

        The humans will die in a few hrs, but not before they did the necessary work. No different than the serfs who built the Petersburg-Moscow railway or the political prisoners who built the Trans Siberian railway.

        After all is over, build a memorial for those who died and use it. End of story.

        • hkeithhenson says:

          “Fukushima solution”

          Even if you don’t care a bit about the workers, they become non functional in single digit hours. Shipping them up for one shift is just not economical. If they lasted a couple of months . . . .

    • Jan says:

      A government behind governments does not underly any control. Usually such entities are very ineffective.

      Dont underestimate economics of scale! It would have never been possible to develop a computer like your smartphone for one spacetrip only.

      While I think it is a good idea to bring humans into space, I am not sure that this is possible and it will probably not be a luxury life!

      The challenge would be to find men and women who are stupid enough to get on such a mission and intelligent enough to solve problems much bigger than we have on earth now!

  16. I AM THE MOB says:

    British billionaire among five stranded on Titanic tourist submarine

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/billionaire-hamish-harding-missing-titanic-b2360644.html

    Top Shelf Schad!

  17. postkey says:

    “America’s Infrastructure Scores a
    C- “?
    https://infrastructurereportcard.org/

    • D. Stevens says:

      Brought to you by the people who lobby for infrastructure spending

    • The C- grade is actually an improvement from the score in 2017, which was a D+. https://infrastructurereportcard.org/making-the-grade/report-card-history/

      I would describe the report as hard to read. It is impossible to compare current grades to past grades in one easy place.

      One place that I would think that we have gone way downhill on is electricity transmission because we need hugely more transmission for wind and solar than we do for transmission from fossil fuels and nuclear. I understand a lot of wind and solar cannot be added because of transmission bottlenecks. But I doubt this is reflected in the report. In some sense, I desire is for a system that requires a great deal more infrastructure, when we cannot even take care of what we have.

  18. postkey says:

    “With a few notable exceptions, what nobody – particularly in the establishment media – is pointing out is that it is bullshit. Those AI platforms that are being heavily trailed in your social media feed – by one of the most intense affiliate marketing efforts ever seen – turn out to be very poor quality. While the adverts likely had a lot of post-production editing, the version you get to try – at a cost – churns out videos that don’t lip-sync using robotic voices no better than Microsoft and Amazon are already offering at a more competitive rate.”?
    https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2023/06/19/this-story-is-getting-old/?fbclid=IwAR0bfkaLq-WT8M2Wgc60WODf8TUi8swmegD1DWAA7vG9NJwKshcshPjgMtw

    • I think

      The beginning of this post:

      Those of us who spend a bit too much time in front of a screen have likely noticed that we are in the middle of a marketing barrage in which the “tech” corporations are rushing out what they laughingly call “artificial intelligence” in an attempt to mop up the last few million dollars from the terminally gullible before the global economy goes the way of the Dodo. Like everything which has been developed since the first internet page was written, AI – which in reality is just unthinking predictive copyright-scraping – is presented as a world changing technology. And it isn’t just the kind of fanboys who told us that we would all be using cryptocurrency and taking rides in self-driving cars who have bought the hype.

      The ending–it is all part of the narrative we have learned:

      Because no matter how spectacular the promised tech fails, so long as we remain convinced that the techno-utopian future is inevitable, then exponential improvement is surely just weeks away. And since few of us are prepared to gaze into the abyss of a future in which the energy required to make things work becomes so expensive that nothing does anymore, I guess that we’ll just have to put up with the same old story being repeated over and over… It’s just a prototype, It will improve, It is inevitable..

      We go from one set of wishful thinking to the next.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Maybe we should get more CGI of the helicopter exploring Mars… but this time it overflies what appears to be a city in the distance… then it crashes… leaving the audience hanging till we can get another chopper up there to confirm another civilization.

        That would keep the MORE-ONS filled with hopium for quite some time

  19. postkey says:

    “What is it called when bacteria communicate with each other?
    This process, termed quorum sensing, allows bacteria to monitor the environment for other bacteria and to alter behavior on a population-wide scale in response to changes in the number and/or species present in a community. “

    “Bacteria often engage in ‘warfare’ by releasing toxins or other molecules that damage or kill competing strains. This war for resources occurs in most bacterial communities, such as those living naturally in our gut or those that cause infection. “
    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/187010/bacteria-divide-conquer-vanquish-their-enemies/

  20. Harry says:

    Doomberg was featured (for the first time) on a German Youtube channel and gave an extensive interview. The whole thing is in English with german subtitles.

    “The world will still be using fossil fuels in 100 years”.

    • German energy policy is incomprehensible. Need to use energy to impose order on the system. Nuclear policy is especially strange, taking down functioning nuclear reactors. —

      I will listen to more later. Doomberg chicken is cute.

      • Harry says:

        Absolutely. No normal thinking person can understand that. The ideology level of the Green Party is “up in space” and this disaster government is still holding together solely because they are terrified of a new election. The only real opposition party (AfD) is now polling at 18-20%.

        However, Doomberg says nothing about where fossil fuels will come from in 100 years.
        And that we can also cope with 15 or 20 billion people I also think is a rumor.

  21. Fast Eddy says:

    ya they know but it’s mass d https://t.me/c/1588731774/18254

  22. Fast Eddy says:

    Tranny? https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/80181

    Heartbreaking 💔

    Actress Kat Pave ends her life due to severe complications from the #%^**!

    https://www.instagram.com/kat.pave/?hl=en

  23. Fast Eddy says:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/H2RcrIF7onQP/

    The thing is …

    Obviously this is a false flag… obviously — but I support murdering these people… it allowed us to go to war to ensure the oil kept flowing … allowing us to live longer.

    • Ed says:

      The American century is over. Oil will be used to benefit the BRICS nations.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I was reading some comments on this video and one said — I don’t buy this because I know someone in tower … and they definitely saw the plane hit…

        Just as when the guy called me last week and tried to get me to install anydesk on my computer so he could rob me — I thought hang on — who are you?

        Does anyone even think to ask – who is posting ‘my brother was in the building and saw….’ Nobody thinks that – they just assume cuz they also assume planes hit the building …

        norm still thinks planes hit the building despite multiple witnesses saying there were no planes – just explosions…

        despite that video showing that the nose of the plane emerged from the other side of the building fully intact…

        This is because even when you show people irrefutable proof of fakery — they will refuse to see.

        I refer to this is as MOREON-ISM

        This is quite an elaborate con by the PR Team… quite a bit of planning went into this

    • Zemi says:

      Excellent find, FE. Let’s hope david-once-in-a-blue-moon-shill watches and learns.

  24. Fast Eddy says:

    Hahahha this is outstanding https://www.bitchute.com/video/H2RcrIF7onQP/

  25. el mar says:

    Is degrowth and a steady-state economy possible?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vij3Q6bE6X4

    Saludos
    el mar

  26. Student says:

    Antony Fauci

    Please enjoy Mr. Fauci’s new youth in Italy, his second Country

    (Corriere della Sera)

    ”Interview with the most famous virologist of the world, what are the lessons we must learn from Covid-19”

    https://www.corriere.it/salute/malattie_infettive/23_giugno_20/anthony-fauci-intervista-c56b6d52-0f33-11ee-a963-f99c88e1a594.shtml

    • Student says:

      This demonstrates that he is still firmly in power and that you in US (and us in the rest of the ‘western countries’) are still kept in check by an Italian.

  27. I AM THE MOB says:

    The deep critical thinker has become the misfit of the world, this is not a coincidence. To maintain order and control you must isolate the intellectual, the sage, the philosopher, the savant before their ideas awaken people. This is one of the greatest tragedies of our time, the unwelcomed thinker who’s brilliance will never be known.”

    – Carl Jung

  28. I AM THE MOB says:

    28 year old MMA fighter has massive cardiac arrest.

    https://nypost.com/2023/06/19/rising-mma-star-cris-lencioni-in-icu-after-cardiac-arrest-family-says-hes-in-his-biggest-fight-yet/

    Least it wasn’t Covid-19 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • Fast Eddy says:

      schad.

    • D. Stevens says:

      There are about 600 MMA fighters so maybe it’s just a coincidence 1 has heart problems? They are drug tested regularly/randomly so it likely wasn’t a known performance enhancing drug.

      Anyone see the most recent OPEC 13 chart on the peakoilbarrel.com ? Looks kinda ominous. I saw some paid economic forecasts which are saying 2024 is going to be a somewhat tough year but things will turn around and be back modest growth in 2025. Will see if that happens.

  29. dkinbj says:

    Earlier comment:

    humans make fire
    human sit around fire
    humans turn grunts into speech
    humans look up at sky—figure out good comes from sky–point up and says ”good”
    note how close good and god are phonetically
    simple logic—no arithmetic needed—makes perfect sense

    So, you’re claiming these early humans spoke English?
    French – bon and dieu
    Chinese – hao and shen
    Hungarian – jo and isten
    So much for logic, eh?

  30. Minh says:

    Hi Gail,

    Not so long-time (since late last year) reader, first time commenter. Recently due to energy price inflation problem, looks like nuclear has been brought back into focus. Just 2 weeks back, I came across this article, which touts the virtue of nuclear and gives a long list of reason why it’s :

    “t is much safer than other forms of power which cut emissions — only solar comes close in terms of deaths per unit of emissions.

    It is much more environmentally friendly than other forms of renewable energy.

    It takes up far less space.

    It provides easy energy security.

    It isn’t intermittent.

    It can be located anywhere.

    Its output can be controlled reasonably well.

    It doesn’t require a backup grid to be ready to fire up.

    It doesn’t require vast energy storage capacity.”

    I notice he omitted (not sure if deliberately) the nuclear waste problem. Here is another one I came across which discussed nuclear waste and a lot more:

    https://vsnyder.substack.com/p/report-about-energy-that-i-requested

    What’s your take on all of this? Do you think the arguments in the articles are convincing, and nuclear energy viable, in terms of cost benefit? From what I know, the “can be located anywhere” point is total BS, due to potential hazards and waste deposition problem. Environmentally friendly is also tricky, because mining uranium is toxic, and I’m not sure about the extent to which the radioactive waste can leak to the outside — you might want to write an article about that if you haven’t. The argument with fuel-recycling and breeder reactor, sounds good at first sight, but looks like breeder technology by far seems to be mainly at experimental stage, quite immature, and I’m not too sure if we’re smart enough to overcome the technical challenges — again, if you know more on this topic, pls consider writing an article discussing it.

    William Engdahl, astute geopolitics and energy specialist, also covered the impossibility of moving to Net Zero by 2050 recently:

    http://www.williamengdahl.com/gr9apr2023.php

    He explicitly called out the WEF and UN as masterminds behind this insanity:

    “Clearly, the powers behind this mad Zero Carbon agenda know such reality. They don’t care, as their goal has nothing to do with the environment. It is about the eugenics and culling of the human herd as the late Prince Philip famously remarked.

    Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Program, in his opening speech to the 1992 Rio Earth Summit, declared, “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” At the Rio summit Strong oversaw drafting of the UN “Sustainable Environment” goals, the Agenda 21 for Sustainable Development that forms the basis of Klaus Schwab’s Great Reset, as well as creation of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) of the UN.

    Strong, a protégé of David Rockefeller was far the most influential figure behind what is today the UN Agenda 2030. He was co-chairman of Klaus Schwab’s Davos World Economic Forum.”

    • There are a lot of reasons that nuclear cannot be single solution to our energy problem:

      1. Nuclear can only be an add on to fossil fuel fuel supply. As fossil fuels decline, our ability to maintain nuclear will disappear. Nuclear needs electricity transmission lines and roads to service these electricity transmission lines. The nuclear power plants can only be built with fossil fuels. Any attempt to prevent problems with spent fuels when a power plant is decommissioned requires fossil fuels.

      2. A nuclear power plant requires an external supply of electricity to start up. Once it goes down, it cannot restart on its own. The electricity can be powered by a generator running on stored diesel, or on power lines into the power plant. This external supply of electricity almost certainly needs to be non-nuclear.

      3. The supply of uranium that can be extracted economically is subject to diminishing returns. This is exactly the same problem that fossil fuels have. In fact, the total amount of uranium extracted has been falling each year, at least since 2013. https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/mining-of-uranium/world-uranium-mining-production.aspx

      4. It is not all that clear that uranium will be available when it is needed. Part of the supply of uranium has been coming from reprocessed nuclear bonds. At some point, this source of supply will run out. Otherwise, Kazakistan is the largest producer of uranium. If nuclear power plants last as long as 80 years, there is a real question of whether uranium will be available when needed.

      5. The single largest processor of uranium is Russia. If we are not dealing with Russia, this may become a problem.

      6. Reprocessing of spent fuel is possible, but it requires fossil fuels to build and maintain the plants. This has not been done in the US, due to regulations against it IIRC.

      7. There are huge differences by time of day and time of year in the demand for electricity. Nuclear is best suited to providing “base load” electricity. It can somewhat follow needed load by doing maintenance and refueling in spring and fall, when demand for heating and cooling services is low. Nuclear works best in combination with fossil fuels. In theory, it could be built to cover peaks in demand, and the excess could be converted to some kind of liquid fuel for storage. But this hasn’t happened yet. It, too, would require fossil fuels to complete.

      I agree that net zero by 2050 doesn’t really work.

    • Jan says:

      Nuclear power currently is, if I remember right, at 3% of the world’s energy production. We would need to build 33x the current numbers of nuclear power plants, including cooling rivers, steel, concrete, transmission lines..

  31. Anyone who thinks humankind can reach space without a totalitarian, winner-take-all, nothing-for-the-masses regime is simply delusional.

    It was necessary for one party to seize everything and leave nothing for the rest.

    Now the third world is about to win it all, and drive the world to the scale of their civilization, we have to question some misguided do-gooders who f’ked up the world because of some strange beliefs they had.

    • ivanislav says:

      If the west can’t win, despite having been decades ahead in science and technology at one point, then it’s proof of devolution and incompetence. That means the west was not in fact going to advance civilization further.

      Whoever wins is the one that, by your own metric, *should* win. Whoever wins is the one that has best preserved industry, technical competence, and capacity for strategic planning.

      • What is meant by “win”? Western industrial civilization “won” by [imposing/spreading] its technology world-wide, but winning only leads to losing, eventually, just as life only ever leads to death.

        Look at the most advanced and most dense cities currently. Is this where most people *want* to live, or would they choose somewhere else if they could? Is an “advanced” high-tech pod in Tokyo desirable in human terms? The cities of CIVILization have always hovered on the brink of being unlivable for many of their inhabitants. What makes you think cities in space would somehow be any better (if we could get there and build them, which we can’t)?

        If there were a current-day NYC or London on the moon, how would that be “winning”, any more than having them on Earth?

        I’m clearly missing some prime directive that kulm harbors.

        • ivanislav says:

          If you want to discuss the desirability of “winning” and preserving IC, that’s a different matter than winning the current geopolitical conflict, which is what we’re babbling on about.

          Now that kulm has shifted away from his “the landed gentry will rule all” shtick, a few of his ideas very barely pass muster.

          • Hm. Ok, well what is the “current geopolitical conflict”, and what would “winning” it look like?

            For just the UKR situation, I can kind of see a temporary win for Russia.. I cannot see any win for US/NATO.

            In Taiwan, China could take over and “win”, but it would be a general global civilizational loss. US et al., at the same time, cannot “win” by overthrowing China (will never happen, in my naive armchair opinion).. For all its crazy flaws and problems, China seems the strongest capital “n” Nation in absolute. China will be Chinese much longer than England will be English, it appears. In this perspective, “winning” might mean merely scraping by and resisting foreign invasion… not particularly glamorous.

          • ivanislav says:

            Lydia, the current conflict is of course US hegemony vs Russian independence that has now also added a dollar dominance dimension to the conflict.

            For US/NATO, winning would look like Russia becoming dysfunctional (a lowered standard of living and destruction of its military and technology sectors) and agreeing to unrestricted access by US energy and mining companies and hopefully also breakup of the country along ethnic lines.

            For Russia, winning means rolling back US power projection along their borders and not having their post-Soviet economic and technological revitalization derailed.

            Eventually, perhaps it will all be for naught (resource depletion and industrial civilization failure everywhere), but if we actually prioritized technology development (a la kulm), perhaps some part of civilization could succeed. Fundamentally, matter is energy, and every kg is an enormous quantity of energy that might be tapped with advanced physics and materials science.

            • Technology developments only bolster the underlying tendencies, tho’. It’s like getting to the “next level” in some video game or other: it’s essentially the same as the previous one.

              If we haven’t been able to make existing nuke plants viable using cheap fossil fuels, what is magically going to happen between now and the future you envision?

              https://phys.org/news/2011-05-nuclear-power-world-energy.html

            • ivanislav says:

              How are nuke plants not viable? Every nuclear submarine has an onboard plant in a highly confined volume. It’s easy (relatively speaking), this is 50-year-old technology. The problems are all sociological and organizational, symptoms of our decrepit and ossified governance structures.

              If our species singlemindedly valued and pursued technical achievement, we might be able to change the current trajectory or at least have a breakaway civilization.

              For example, recent studies show which genes affect sizes of specific brain regions. We can literally engineer and/or select genius babies for the next generation. Will we? You and I might not have the means, but some military and/or billionaire family is probably already doing that. Likewise, the US seemingly intentionally dumbed down the educational curriculum. We could instead have intensive technical programs for this proposed assembly line of prodigies.

              The decisions made by our leaders are so terrible that I am beginning to think civilization was intentionally held back so that some breakaway sect could maintain a tech lead in deep underground military bunkers somewhere …

        • Everyone, if they can, wants to live in the best parts of New York or London, which is why rent is $5,000 for a single bedroom flat there.

          In Tokyo, there is a district called Setagaya. Where its richer people live. I have been there. No sprawl, just expensive houses with large houses in Japanese terms. That’s real wealth, and even those who are forced to live in central tokyo tend to have houses outside of Japan.

          As seen in the seizure of properties of Russian moguls, even they want to live in London or NYC.

        • JMS says:

          “To win is to lose, to lose is to win”

    • hkeithhenson says:

      I don’t understand this argument at all.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “… because of some strange beliefs they had.”

      classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

    • nikoB says:

      Perhaps what you meant to say is
      Anyone who thinks humankind can reach (colonize) space is totally delusional. They are misguided do-gooders who are f’ked up because of some strange beliefs they have.

      Seems about right.

    • Hubbs says:

      @ kulm

      “Misguided do-gooders?” You’re being too politically correct and throwing softballs.

      All of this is deliberate.

      Go back to the Bible ( I am not religious) and read the story of Jacob and Esau:

      From Wikepedia, an “authority” which is controlled by the Globalists.

      “Pronouncing the blessing was considered to be the act formally acknowledging the firstborn as the principal heir. In Genesis 27:5-7, Rebecca overhears Isaac tell Esau, “Bring me venison and prepare a savoury food, that I may eat, and bless thee before the LORD before my death.” Rebecca counsels Jacob to pretend to be Esau, in order to obtain the blessing in his brother’s stead.”

      Remember, soon humans no longer were simple hunter gatherers but once they embarked upon farming, that great disruptor event allowed one man to feed many, form cities, and free up those to specialize into skill sets. Trade ensued. Barter was too cumbersome. To faciliate trade, the need for money, a medium of exchange and store of value was required.

      And as Lord Rothschild stated in 1896, let me control a nations’s money and I care not who makes its laws.

      Even if you aren’t religious, the Js acknowledge the Deception even from the times of the old testament, and that all races, including the Gentiles (“Goyim” for slang) are destined to be ruled over by the “chosen ones” under Noahide (Talmudic) Law. (They are the ultimate rascists). Esau represents the white gentile European, who was the hunter and food provider, while Jacob was the “moneychanger.” Jacob placed long animal skins over his forearms to make his father Isaac, who was blind and relied on touch, think he was Esau, who had hairy arms.

      And Rebecca appears to have doublecrossed Esau as well as her husband Issac, just as Eve deceived Adam.

      And keeping it in the family from my favorite biblical verse ( posted on Australian Bushveldt Carbineer Breaker Morant’s grave in South Africa after he was excuted for political expediency by the British to end the Boar War in 1902.)

      Matthew 10:36 “And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.”

      Some people even believe that the Jews created Christianity so as to make Gentiles more susceptible to control, by basically encouraging them to give themselves away with commandments such as “love thy enemy as thyself.”

      Even if you are not religious Christianity still is a unifying belief system in western society, with attendance at church unified a community, and helped weave the moral fabric of society. I deeply respect those who are true followers. There are only a few people that I know. One is an in-law and a grade school teacher in Lapu Lapu, Cebu Island in the Phillipines. Vangie is a saint on par with Mother Teresa.

      The censureship is maintained by reinforcing the inaccurate figure of “6 million”, special laws against anti semititism, memorials, the endless stream of cinema on the subject. Cylcon-B was used at Ellis Island, and in concentration camp chambers to delouse both immigrants and prisoners respectively. No traces of cyanide bluing in the shower stalls, many “retrofitted” by the Russians to make the German atrocites appear greater than they were. All the living corpses? Typhus does that. The Allies were bombing the supply roads to the camps. Those POWs were starving to death, and the Allies new it, but it would make the Germans look even worse.

      Compare the look of those from Andersonville GA during the civil war or to the women and children living skeletons in the British POW camps in the Boer War- not men. Women and children! Starvation and Typhus is the same everywhere. If 6 million, then where are all the skeletons? They could hardly have been scattered very far away! The allies seemed to somehow be able to exhume many from the Hurtgen Forest or other mass killings from WWII.

      Remember, as soon as humans no longer were simple hunter gatherers but embarked upon farming, allowing one man to feed many and free up those to specialize into skill sets, trade ensued. Barter was too cumbersome. To faciliate trade, the need for money, a medium of exchange and store of value was required.
      And as Lord Rothschild stated in 1896, let me control a nations’s money and I care not who makes its laws.

      And so it is, money, and its creation and weaponization via debt and fiat currency has been the great enabler of the destruction of European civilization through massive wars. WWI, WWII, Russian Revolution, Gulf Wars, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc. As Julian Assange said. “The goal is not for the Globalists to win wars, but to achieve a state of perpetual war, pitting Arabs,Christians, Hindus, Shintuists, etc against each other.

      With its consitution and 2A, the US has been a tougher nut to crack. Hence the need for multi pronged attacks that has made basket case of country. Financially, economically, politically, legally, energy wise, socially, and militarily. Does anyone think the US could project its “power” to fight a war against Russia or China on their doorstep? They are not goat herders or Grenadians They are peer miltary powers -or greater -with weapons that work. Brian Berletic on the You Tube channel “New Atlas” has nailed this new reality. In my opinion, the US will never be able to recover and the best we can hope for is a relatively stable decline in living standards with a manageable or liveable (survivable?) level of civil conflict in the next generation or so. Why are we screwed? Because of many forces aligned against us byt he Globalists jusing their errand boy half-pint politicans:

      1.) Creation of the FED, which creates fiat out of thin air through debt, which “incentivizes” the errand-boy politicians, through bribes, to do the Globalists’ bidding. Quid pro quo leads to a formal Fascist state of corporate and quasi political control. Rogue agencies like the FBI, CIA, ATF, IRS are everywhere.

      2.) Destroy the family unit with welfare and destroy a man’s dignity and will to work. Make housing unaffordable. The home is the cornerstone of the family unit and stability. Rental units encourage the opposite. Fragmentation of the family and the community. You don’t even know the names of the other renters on the same floor of you apartment. They stay for a year or two then move.

      3.) Destroy the education system. Government backed loans which lead to a watering down of schools into diploma mills. No academic standards. Throw in all this LBGTQxyz crap into the schools to seed the disruption into the broader society. I had no problem with some of my friends like those in medical school or an architect I met at Millbrook School where I taught remedial math in the 70s for blacks from lower Manhattan, lower east side, Bronx, Brooklyn in a summer school in a program called project Broad Jump who were gay, as were some of the students. Live and let live. But let me live too.

      4.) Welfare, SNAP, EBT, etc. As LBJ said on that plane ride after enacting his great society programs ” I’ll have those N’s voting Democrat for the next 200 years.” Buying votes. Student loan forgiveness.

      5.) Corrupt elections. Aided also by our pure “democracy” where a vote by a crackhead or an invalid demented patient at a nursing home offfsets a working productive citizens’. Which is why our founding fathers insisted on a Representative Republic, with voting by men only, land ownership, and /or a poll tax- so that you had to skin in the game.

      5) Hoax after hoax- to first deceive people with false hope like moon landings and from there false flags JFK, 9-11, WMD, climate change, the need for “green energy,”

      6.) No more rule of law, easily achieved when you have control of the money supply and a debt club you can wield over people.

      7.) Giving women the right to vote, knowing that they are biolgically hardwired to nuture, as to give away (our former country) what men had worked and died to create and preserve, as our founding fathers recognized.

      8.) The COVID/VAXX hoax- to shut trade and commerce down, concentrate wealth into the big coporations, etc. Create Mass Formation hysteria- all to control the population.

      9.) Out of control mass illegal alien invasion. Do you really think the corporations need all these unskilled laborers to work in the meat packing factories, harvesting fruits, roofers, and cutting lawns? Those are the jobs that surviving Whites as well as the others- Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, will be eager to take – when it comes down to that or starvation. The numbers remaining will be self adjusting. Fewer people means less food will be needed. Proportionately fewer specialized jobs as well. Same as with less fossil fuels, etc.

      10.) EV’s? The Globalists know they are a scam. The idea is not to sell these to the people. The idea is to squelch the production of more practical, cost efficient ICE vehicles and force the masses to pile into 15 minute radius cities where they can be controlled. Grid control: Power, Cell phone, and internet kill switches.

      11.) Control the media. Censorship on steroids.

      12.) Create fear, uncertainty and doubt, like Climate change, again to confuse and deceive the people.

      13.) VAXX passports, CBDC- if they can. “Chip please.” Gun registration, just as the IRS, along with armed jack booted thug ATF agents, (twenty in all) has confiscated the 4473 citizens gun purchase records at that raid at a gun store in Montana. Registration preceeds confiscation.

      With my sincere apologies to all.

    • Jan says:

      That is what Epperson had predicted years ago. Does not mean I am a fan but accordance is impressing.

    • Jarle says:

      What’s in this “reaching space” you write of?

    • Jan says:

      A totalitarian, winner-take-all, nothing-for-the-masses regime does not automatically reach space either. At the end all depends on intelligence and to get things done.

      In history there have been very intelligent, capable people than brought mankind forward. At the moment I don’t see such people.

      Perhaps people who became successful in the capitalist system are not necessarily visionary innovators?

      I guess that you don’t mean to visit moon once but to colonize space permanently, which would be worth a try!

    • i seem to recall reading somewhere tht it take the combined labour of 4000 people to put 1 man on the moon

      those numbers may not be correct, but it still takes an awful lot of people to do it

      in a totalitarian state, those number can’t add up—not enough surpluses or collective will to allow it to happen

    • Sam says:

      Gilligan!!! Where is my gin and tonic. Mrs Howe needs a drink too!

  32. This piece of shit joins the ranks of the worst traitors of US history, including Nick Trist who awarded the Baja and the exit of the Colorado River because the mexicans pleaded with him, and the black soldier who joined the Filipino side during the Spanish-american War.

    https://youtu.be/hukxJ2slKkM

    The piece of shit was named Ted Hall and he worked in the Manhattan Project.

    at that time, some people thought USA being the only country to have nuclear weapons was not right. Don’t ask me why.

    I don’t know what Hall did but apparently he contributed a significant amount to make USSR have the nuclear weapons.

    I have said many, many times that the advanced countries of 1910 should have been the only countries with advanced civilization, and the rest of the world having no recourse at all like the Sudanese at the Battle of Omdurman.

    Imagine how much civilization would have advanced with USA (and a few of its friends) being able to take resources on anywhere on earth at will.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      is your view of Ted Hall merely psychological projection?

    • Xabier says:

      The West, above all the western financial system, has pretty much availed itself of world resources with very few limitations anyway.

      The industrialisation of China and its incorporation into the global system in the late 20th c can be seen to be part of the same process.

      In no sense has a great opportunity to advance to a putative ‘higher stage civilisation’ been lost.

      And the wrecking of ecosystems and exhaustion of viable resources of all kinds will now drag us down to Collapse.

    • drb753 says:

      Imagine a wold league of the world wrestling federation, imagine all food on earth being junk food, imagine queers and transgenders in the Kalahari, or even Botswana pretending that they had gone to the Moon. Imagine a global elite convinced that they can flout the laws of physics, or that give each other motivation through empty formulae (we are a space faring, type I civilization, and we are going to harness space energy), with rampant pedophilia and other dark rites best not described in a family blog, omnipotent central banking (we got very close th that). The world lost all this due to Chucky Fitzclarence and Ted Hall.

  33. Student says:

    (The MAINICHI – Japan)

    ”TOKYO — Japanese public broadcaster NHK apologized on Twitter on May 16 for editing a news program to make it look like some people had died of COVID-19 when in fact the comments used in the show were by people claiming that their family members had died after receiving the coronavirus vaccine.”

    https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20230517/p2a/00m/0na/010000c

    • According to the article:

      “Tsunagu kai,” a Kyoto Prefecture-based association of bereaved families of people who died after getting vaccinated against COVID-19, cooperated for the NHK program. According to the group, NHK had requested interviews to “convey the voices of vaccine victims,” and three members from the group sat for interviews on May 13.

      Somehow, it was made to sound as if their relatives had died of covid rather than the vaccines. I can understand why the group would be pretty upset.

  34. Fast Eddy says:

    Orchestrated – specially the big guy with the stache … https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/48832

  35. Fast Eddy says:

    keith for you https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/48827 my gift

    • hkeithhenson says:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/19/joe-rogan-hotez-rfk-vaccine-debate/

      A 2022 analysis from the Peterson Center on Healthcare and KFF estimated at the time that more than 234,000 unvaccinated Americans died who could have lived had they been immunized against the virus.

      Hotez is no stranger to attacks, pointing to how Stephen K. Bannon, a right-wing podcaster and longtime adviser to former president Donald Trump, called Hotez “a criminal” last week. Hotez is a professor of pediatrics and molecular virology at Baylor College of Medicine and the co-director for the Center for Vaccine Development at Texas Children’s Hospital in Houston.

      ^^^^^^

      There are consequences i.e., people die because of beliefs just like they do in wars. A third cousin of mine was one of the Heaven’s Gate casualties. If you want another example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Cape_Colony_from_1806_to_1870#Xhosa_cattle-killing_movement_and_famine_(1854%E2%80%931858)

      In 1854, the “lung sickness” disease spread through the cattle of the Xhosa. The disease arrived in South Africa with infected animals imported from the Netherlands by the settlers in 1853 to improve their herds.[3] Widespread cattle deaths resulted. In April 1856, two girls, one named Nongqawuse, went to scare birds out of the fields. When she returned, she told her uncle Mhlakaza that she had met three spirits at the bushes, and that they had told her that all cattle should be slaughtered, and their crops destroyed. On the day following the destruction, the dead Xhosa would return and help expel the whites. The ancestors would bring cattle with them to replace those that had been killed.[4] Mhlakaza believed the prophecy, and repeated it to the chief Sarhili.

      Sarhili ordered the commands of the spirits to be obeyed. At first, the Xhosa were ordered to destroy their fat cattle. Nongqawuse, standing in the river where the spirits had first appeared, heard unearthly noises, interpreted by her uncle as orders to kill more and more cattle. At length, the spirits commanded that not an animal of all their herds was to remain alive, and every grain of corn was to be destroyed. If that were done, on a given date, myriads of cattle more beautiful than those destroyed would issue from the earth, while great fields of corn, ripe and ready for harvest, would instantly appear. The dead would rise, trouble and sickness vanish, and youth and beauty come to all alike. Unbelievers and the white man would on that day perish. Great kraals were also prepared for the promised cattle, and huge skin sacks to hold the milk that was soon to be more plentiful than water. At length the day dawned which, according to the prophecies, was to usher in the terrestrial paradise. The sun rose and sank, but the expected miracle did not come to pass.

      This movement drew to an end by early 1858. By then, approximately 40,000 people had starved to death and over 400,000 cattle had been slaughtered.[5]

      ^^^^^^

      There are lots of other examples. Humans are as susceptible to lethal ideas as they are to wars. The internet and profiteering people like Joe Rogan don’t help but as you can see the lethal ideas of Nongqawuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nongqawuse spread without radio or even printing.

      While I understand what lies behind the spread of crazy anti vaccine memes (too many people anticipating a bleak future) I don’t have a solution to the problem. Understanding science may give a person protection from these memes, but the fraction of the population who understand science and such topics as statistics is not high enough.

      On the other hand, if Joe Rogan gets 11 million followers, that about one in 30 so perhaps things are not as bad as they could be.

      • halfvard says:

        Are vaccines a sacrament in your Church of Omnipotent and Omniscient Science?

        • hkeithhenson says:

          No, but not getting vaccines is part of the Turing Church’s genetic improvement program.

          (How come nobody complains about monkeypox vaccine?)

          • No one is coerced into taking a monkeypox vaccine. Monkeypox disappeared right quick after it appeared that it was a gay-orgy-spread disease whose few next-identified sufferers were children and dogs.

            • ivanislav says:

              >> whose few next-identified sufferers were children and dogs.

              I hope that’s a joke but am afraid it’s true. Not going to google it.

            • 3 or 4 articles about children and pets being affected, and then the whole thing seemed to get scuttled. This was right around the time they were pearl-clutching that the very name was ‘racist’.

            • Xabier says:

              The monkeypox episode was fascinating, wasn’t it?

              They tried to engineer a global scare -just as with ‘omicron’ – but it flopped.

              People who weren’t gay and didn’t sodomise their pets felt they had nothing to fear.

              Just as those who caught ‘omicron’ – the test told them they had, concluded that Covid was no big deal, just a cold.

              Still, no doubt some data was gained by injecting some unfortunates.

              Poor Keith, he has been exposed as just another one who bought the propaganda.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Did keith shoot the MP Vax? hahahahahahahahaha

              So what’s your thing keith – a bit on the side with the neighbourhood dogs… or a romp with a dongled Tranny?

            • hkeithhenson says:

              “Just as those who caught ‘omicron’ – the test told them they had, concluded that Covid was no big deal, just a cold.”

              Something most people don’t appreciate is that we have had about 6 pandemics out of Covid 19, not one. The damn virus mutates. We have been incredibly lucky, especially with the omicron version, that while it is highly contagious, it does not usually cause severe disease.

              There is still a lot of virus circulating out there. Will it mutate again? Likely. Will it cause serious problem? Who knows? One factor is that the various strains cross react and that provides some protection. By this point most of the people who were not vaccinated have been infected. Between vaccine induced immunity and that from being infected with some version of the virus, there is a considerable degree of resistance to covid out there.

              Though the people who have recently had omicron don’t often describe it as “just a cold.”

              Still, most rode it out at home and didn’t need to be put on a ventilator.

      • Replenish says:

        Crazy anti-vaccine memes aside.. skeptics were aware that the vaccine did not stop transmission many months before the mainstream news and scientists finally admitted the fact due to simply reviewing reliable data from the UK and Denmark.

        The head of the CDC and a former Covid adviser to the President admitted/bragged that they knew early on that the vaccine did not stop transmission while Dr. Fauci and the US President were supporting mandates and menacing the unvaccinated with “Dark Winter” memes. Gates funded Imperial College modeler Neil Ferguson was pushing extreme Case Fatality Rates for Covid (see Sweden results) while early PCR/serology studies and the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship outbreak put the IFR 0.38% and IFR 0.4-1.2% age-adjusted in a completely closed population of elderly people. Fauci says in a NEJM article that Sars-Cov2 is more akin to 1957/68 flu pandemics 2 days after CDC change death coding procedures which relied on a simple test positive PCR at cycle thresholds well over 35, cut out county coroners in many cases and skewed data by counting the vaccinated as unvaccinated until 2 weeks after their 1st dose. In the later part of 2021, UK data showed that the more doses resulted in higher rates of transmission, hospitalization and death and then the data columns were shaded with disclaimers or the data was not reported at all requiring FOI request when the data showed negative vaccine efficacy.

        I have shared that several unvaccinated extended family members in their 70’s were simply told to stay home without any early treatment, an elder woman was triaged and released with DNR bracelet into home hospice care and/or they were rushed to the hospital in respiratory failure finally dying on the Covid protocols of organ failure. 5 state governors were responsible for 40% of early Covid deaths because they discharged elderly positive patients into nursing facilities. I know of at least 4 people with confirmed heart inflammation from the vaccine (2 died), blood pressure spikes (a medical Doctor) and worsening autoimmune disorder w/ mini-strokes.

        Again and again.. the response to the virus including the suppression of early treatment options and off-patient medicines and triage care was the cause of excess deaths. The elderly and the unvaccinated were mistreated in accordance with protocols enforced through state medical boards, perverse incentives, narrative control and behavior nudging all the while ignoring current data on efficacy, vaccine safety signals and superseding the traditional doctor-patient relationship.

        • Cromagnon says:

          I spent 3 decades of my life using conventional vaccines to elicit broad based humoral and cell mediated immune responses in multiple species.

          mRNA derived “therapies” are not vaccines.

          • hkeithhenson says:

            “mRNA derived “therapies””

            That’s an interesting statement. What they do is get cells to translate to protein and present so the immune system will notice. That’s what polio live vaccines do as well. I am curious why you make the distinction. I can deal with any technical level you want.

            • postkey says:

              “Some Basic Concerns with the New Drug Vaccine Biologics.
              • 1) Changing what has worked: In 2007 the Chinese were able to create an effective SARS-CoV-1 vaccine that was produced using attenuated virus.
              • 2) The spike proteins of Pfizer and Moderna do NOT ACTUALLY match the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 Wuhan Hu-1 Virus.
              • 3) Self Ampliyfying mRNA and Transmissible Vaccines have been undergoing testing for several years and yet they are NOT being discussed even though it is clear that this testing includes SARS-CoV-2.
              • 4) The misinformation that these vaccines stay at the site of injection & that their very mechanisms of action, using either mRNA or dsDNA gene sequences, either circumvent the Innate Immune Response or provide misinformation (adenovirus) to the Innate Immune Response thereby either causing a MHC I B-cell response (cell made) first & then the MHC II T-cell Innate Component (foreign invader); OR by substituting the outer Adenovirus, causing at least a partial INNATE Immune Response to the Adenovirus instead of SARS-CoV-2 membrane, envelope, etc. • This INNATE IMMUNE response is critical for BOTH
              • T-cell immunity, and subsequent Th2 IL-4 release essential for increasing
              • B-cell proliferation, differentiation and antibody production.
              • 5) The EUAs show no statistical reduction in COVID cases or deaths, but VAERS has shown a significant number of Adverse Events including death.
              • 6) Finally, the Mass Vaccination program focusing on a single type of spike protein which does not even match the SARS-CoV-2 Wuahn Hu-1 Viral Spike protein has resulted in pressure selection of variants including Delta, Kappa, Iota, and others. “?
              https://21a86421-c3e0-461b-83c2-cfe4628dfadc.filesusr.com/ugd/659775_9ddb0c0317514dfaa2d6eacf612204a7.pdf

            • Jan says:

              Polio is not really a respiratoric disease. To stop transmission and infection of a respiratoric disease it is needed to create antibodies in the mucovis, usually IgM. The injections cannot provides this – and it was clear from the beginning.

              What is more respiratoric diseases mutate quickly. A vaccination against an old strain can lead to original antigenic sin.

              The mRNA injectables can lead to infiltration of leucocytes, destroy the vessels, cause a shift in the immune system, cause inflammation (probably an autoimmune reaction) and thrombes (see findings of Arne Burkhard).

              This is not the case with classical vaccines.

          • Xabier says:

            Oh but they are: like a wolf in a sheepskin is a sheep. Baaa!

            Just don’t look at the teeth/adverse events data.

            Anyway, they changed the official definition of vaccine to accommodate them, just like the new definition of ‘pandemic’.

        • Xabier says:

          At this stage ‘sceptic’ should be a title of honour to which all should aspire.

          That it has been demonised as a sign of ‘right-wing extremism’ and lack of education/intellect/mental balance is very telling about where They intent to take us.

          • lol

            not ”they” again

            • Xabier says:

              Yes, Norman, again: it’s merely convenient shorthand for the co-ordinated, globally organised, liars and murderers – if you try really hard you might be able to grasp that concept.

            • lol….xabier

              maybe you can begin to understand why i just ignore almost all your drivellous output…the odd comments i do read anyway. —-not many.

              ‘they” are concerned with one thing only:

              How to turn the planet into maximum profit—on ”their” terms,
              That is the only ”global organisation’ there is.

              There is no ‘grand plan” to kill us all off—other than as an inadvertent side effect to the profit motive—no mass murderers bent on exterminating babies (another favourite of yours).
              if ‘they’ bump us all off—then they die too—maybe ”they” are too stu pid to see that—i really don’t know. Maybe you are too—possible.

              you may sit in your tent adding one fantasy on top of the previous one—but very little is ‘truth’.

              we are locked into an extractive economic system that demands infinite growth—and that’s pretty much it.
              we are all complicit—you, me—whether we like it or not.

            • We live in a self-organizing system, as I have been saying all along. I agree, that there is no single global organization. There are multiple world-wide organizations, all pushed along by the profit motive. These global organizations, besides the demands of the worldwide population, pull the economy along. Much of the growing “demand” comes from growing debt. Higher interest rates can pop the debt bubble.

            • those organizations are concerned only with self survival in terms of profit

              nothing else

              if millions die as a result, that is a side issue as far as they are concerned

              Typically the NRA wants as many guns as possible produced and sold—even though the result is mass death

          • Fast Eddy says:

            How cool would it be if this was all just a test — BAU could go on for 50 more years… and being able to confirm Unvaxxed on a CV… was gold.

            Oh — I see you are a genius … you are hired… how much would you like to be paid?

      • THIS IS SO RIDICULOUS. The Pfizer trials were not structured to analyze transmission reduction or disease resistance. AT ALL. Read their own protocols.

        The only thing claimed was a (questionable) reduction in “hospitalization and death”. Since the deaths seemed largely to have been caused by the new no-treatment-until-ER-then-remdesivir-and-vent protocol, or the midazolam protocol in the UK, when they weren’t caused by motorcycle accidents, those are numbers “they” could dial up or down on a whim.

        WE DON’T NEED PROTECTION FROM MEMES.
        WE NEED PROTECTION FROM TECHNOCRATS.

        It’s technocrats and their LIES all the way down!!!

        • In Pfizer’s raw figures, more people died in the injected group than the un-injected group.

          https://rumble.com/v2fp2za-pfizer-knew-in-their-trials-that-more-people-died-in-the-vaccine-group-than.html

          That anyone would defend some ridiculous extrapolation to claim injections saved lives is deeply offensive to all of us here.

          People are dying from these injections, and the people doing the injecting are well aware of it.

        • Xabier says:

          Let’s not forget Janine Small’s testimony to EU parliament members in 2022, when her boss Bourla chickened out of appearing.

          The ghastly woman laughed dismissively when asked if Pfizer had tested for transmission.

          Of course not, she replied, ‘we were moving at the speed of science’, so couldn’t do that.

          All assertions from the CDC, Biden, etc, that the mRNA vaxxes would stop transmission dead – the basis of the mandates everywhere in the world – were lies, from the very beginning.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          keith is a scientist.

          hahahahahahahaha

      • Jan says:

        Simple solution: Pfizer testified in front of EU parliament, that their injections cannot prevent transmission and infection – and were never meant to. If there are any specific antibodies created, they can never reach the mucosis. That was clear from the beginning.

        Difficult to prove otherwise using statistics!

      • Fast Eddy says:

        A 2022 analysis from the Peterson Center on Healthcare and KFF estimated at the time that more than 234,000 unvaccinated Americans died who could have lived had they been immunized against the virus.

        hahahahahahaha…

        The funny thing is … I dont know a single person who has died from covid — not even heard of anyone … but I do know a number of people who have been very sick with covid — and I know for a fact every single one of them is fully boosted

        hahahahahahahaha

        And how many tens of millions of lives were saved by the Rat Juice injection?

        Check bbccnn or any other source of lies for the answer

        The thing is… I don’t want you to stop boosting… when you eventually drop with a vax injury why would I give a f789? I don’t know you … please make sure nobody posts the begging bowl on OFW asking for donations for the casket…

        No wonder you couldn’t make space solar keith — you are not much of a scientist are you

        • Xabier says:

          A neighbour is very ill, but still walking. Coughing his guts up since last autumn whenever he exerts himself. I’m waiting for the ambulance and then the hearse, but it’s taking a long time. Certainly not a passing seasonal infection, whatever it is. Late 40’s, but sounds like an old geezer of 80 in bad shape.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Excellent – keep us updated.

            If the ambulance comes upload a photo https://postimages.org/

          • Yorchichan says:

            I picked up a woman from the hospital yesterday evening who had been there all day with a friend and lodger. The friend had woken up unable to remember who or where she was. Gone “totally doolally”, was the expression used.

            Surprise, surprise: she’d had a covid booster the day before.

  36. Fast Eddy says:

    PR Team is sitting back laughing – this is exactly what they want https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/48820

  37. Fast Eddy says:

    Brook Jackson vs Pfizer, Case Dismissed. What Next?

    https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/p/transcript-brook-jackson-vs-pfizer

    no way! really??? Decades of work went into UEP – and they think the courts will stop it

    hahahahahahahaha

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    Boots replied to your comment on How “our free press” made millions DESPERATE to get “vaccinated”: MCM’s 2nd conversation with Greg Hunter.

    That’s interesting. I always thought the planes must be fake because no one looked up until the moment the plane allegedly hit the building and exploded. A jet coming in that low and slow would have been impossibly loud and people would have been looking up before it hit.

  39. ivanislav says:

    A crew of rich folks paid $250k each to likely be crushed to death and drowned in the depths of the ocean.
    https://www.rt.com/news/578304-titanic-explorers-sub-missing/

    The experience was billed as offering “a chance to step outside of everyday life and discover something truly extraordinary.”

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      that’s called deep sea schad.

    • Ed says:

      Going to be really hard to sell the next sub ride to the titanic.

      • Lastcall says:

        Next sub-ride isn’t to the Titanic, it is to the first sub-ride. And so it goes…

    • Xabier says:

      And they did indeed ‘step out of life’.

      Hugely amusing in the darkest of ways.

      And anyway, one shouldn’t treat a mass grave like a tourist attraction, very poor taste.

  40. Slowly at first says:

    What worldviews are espoused in this comments section? For instance, the physicalist-scientific versus the supernatural-religious worldview?

    • Can’t world views be both physicalist-scientific and supernatural-religious? For example, God operates through the laws of physics and and through self-organizing systems.

      The physicalist-scientific cannot explain how something came out of nothing, but the supernatural-religious can.

      • Cromagnon says:

        Excellent response Gail.

        We are re entering the “real world” in the modern era……the past century has been one of deception and misdirection using the alter of “science” as a means of subterfuge.

        As the energy collapse proceeds and the fantasy economy evaporates our collective delusion will be slowly stripped away.

        The world is dramatically unlike what the secularists would have us believe.

        • Xabier says:

          Quite so. The fact is, there are fairies at the bottom of the garden, or at least in the old woods. And much more besides……

          Th end of our civilisation is a great adventure and revelation, as Death will be too.

          • ivanislav says:

            I hope you’re right, unless I end up in a lake of fire. While I’m not particularly attached to this realm, I also think it would be a shame to call it quits entirely.

            • Xabier says:

              This whole situation is such a stimulus to curiosity that one shouldn’t call it quits. Not just yet anyway.

              I’m not very worried about my sins: they were pretty, I was young and foolish and since them I’ve been rather good.

              Purgatory I think, not the Lake of Fire……

              My biggest problem is struggling with feelings of hatred and a desire for vengeance on these murderers and liars every day when I awake – not a good mental state in which to pass.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              It amazes me that not a single A-Vaxxer … or even a damaged Vaxxer… has unhinged.

              I almost feel like going to get Rat Juiced … hoping I get injured — so I can pay the person a visit who injected me.

              Merder Suziside!!!

              But nah… too risky .. + I need to be around for the Unveil.

              norm keith – why don’t you guys do it — you are both old and f789ed anyway with zero to lose

      • hkeithhenson says:

        The question that bugged me for years is why humans have religious at all.

        The trait to have religions is a psychological trait. Evolutionary psychology’s fundamental premise is that all psychological traits were (at some point) selected or alternately, something associated was selected. Drug addition was not directly selected, you just can’t make a case for improved survival lying under a bush wasted on plant sap. It’s a side effect of plant sap molecules being shaped like brain reward chemicals.

        As part of the selection for the psychological traits for wars resource stressed people circulate xenophobic memes to psych themselves up to an attempt to kill the neighboring tribe and take their resources. I think this is the origin of the psychological trait to have religions. If you doubt it, consider the connections between wars and religions.

        • humans make fire

          human sit around fire

          humans turn grunts into speech

          humans look up at sky—figure out good comes from sky–point up and says ”good”

          note how close good and god are phonetically

          humans decide to worship sun—as it feels good—or god

          simple logic—no arithmetic needed—makes perfect sense

          • hkeithhenson says:

            The earliest split off linage of the human race does not have war or much in the way of religion.

            “The San peoples (also Saan), or Bushmen, are the members of the indigenous hunter-gatherer cultures of southern Africa, and the oldest surviving cultures of the region. Their ancestral territories span Botswana, Namibia, Angola, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Lesotho[1] and South Africa. They speak, or their ancestors spoke, languages of the Khoe, Tuu and Kxʼa language families,”

            “By the 1870s, the last San of the Cape were hunted to extinction, while other San were able to survive. The South African government used to issue licenses for people to hunt the San, with the last one being reportedly issued in Namibia in 1936.”

            The main character in “The Gods Must be Crazy” was a San.

          • Xabier says:

            So simple Norman, it’s merely the reasoning of an imbecile.

            Now, Norman, have you caught up with Professor Norman’s careful researches and educated reasoning yet?

            If not, what are you afraid of?

        • You don’t even see your own religion, the techno live-forever/transhuman/space religion!

          We “need” religion as an escape because reality is too raw and depressing for most of us. Another benefit of religion is having a ready-made friend group (in-group vs. out-group).

          I can attest that it is very painful to live when you can’t pretend to adhere to supernaturally-based religions, yet the scientism religion is not only equally silly, but actually physically threatening (belief in jabs). When I go out the door in the morning in my blue state, I’m only slightly more relaxed than if I were to be traveling amongst cannibal tribes.

          • hkeithhenson says:

            “You don’t even see your own religion, the techno live-forever/transhuman/space religion!”

            Of course I do. The first article on memes that I wrote was “Memes, L5 and the religion of the space colonies” 1985. Take a look at the memetics articles linked off the Wikipedia page about me.

            “We “need” religion as an escape because reality is too raw and depressing for most of us.”

            Sorry you have a hard time dealing with reality. I sympathies, having been in a situation where I could see the lands inside the gun a trigger happy cop had in my face. The world is a rough place. If you want to swap stories, I have an excess of them.

            “Another benefit of religion is having a ready-made friend group (in-group vs. out-group).”

            I agree and have several overlapping groups. Many of the people in them are smarter than I am. Some are substantially so. I really enjoy being around sharp people. Many of them are quite accomplished and have Wikipedia pages.

            “I can attest that it is very painful to live when you can’t pretend to adhere to supernaturally-based religions, yet the scientism religion is not only equally silly, but actually physically threatening (belief in jabs).”

            Hasn’t hurt me, or any of well over a hundred relatives and friends. Just luck? Heh, I know a few who are fully vaccinated and live in places where they don’t talk about it. I have lost only one friend to Covid and that was before vaccines were available (July 2020).

            “When I go out the door in the morning in my blue state, I’m only slightly more relaxed than if I were to be traveling amongst cannibal tribes.”

            I am not sure what to recommend. Have you ever had anything to do with science fiction fandom? The hotels like them because they seldom cause trouble.

          • Xabier says:

            Wear a safari suit Lydia, and carry an automatic shotgun – these people are dangerous.

            Can you hear the drums? I believe they are massing for another attack……

          • Fast Eddy says:

            I regret not joining multiple churches… faking it … and taking the opportunity to pick up hotties…

            It would have been a monopoly on the hotties… cuz everyone else would have been at the disco looking for action …

            In the church the hottie has her guard down … specially if it’s an early Sunday mass… the hottie will assume you are decent fellow and were not at the disco the night before … (even though you may have just come from the disco and are snorting various stimulants to appear fresh and vigorous)…

            If there is reincarnation I fully intend to learn from my mistakes and be a big time church goer.

            • Xabier says:

              These fantasies prove you are married man, FE!

              I would do a few things rather differently, too.

          • JMS says:

            Religion and techno-scientism, why not have the worst of both worlds?

            “Can a chatbot preach a good sermon? Hundreds attend church service generated by ChatGPT to find out.”

            https://apnews.com/article/germany-church-protestants-chatgpt-ai-sermon-651f21c24cfb47e3122e987a7263d348

      • Mike Roberts says:

        If God operates through the laws of physics then there is no further need to consider God, since we can investigate physics and use its laws to live. Physics can’t explain how something came out of nothing but neither can the supernatural; all it can claim is how this universe came into existence, not how God came into existence.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Any change of position re boosters mike?

        • Cromagnon says:

          The over soul does operate through the laws of physics……its just that there a lot more laws of physics than we appreciate.

          Perhaps the soul itself resides in a 4 th dimensional space that is quite spacious and is present in many earthbound species.

          I seem to recall a biblical story about demons and swine?

      • Jan says:

        How can the supernatural-religious explain anything? They present a narrative, that an old man over the clouds made a decision. For me God is much more than this.

        The old aunt of a friend was a righteous, obedient servant in her late fifties. One night during WW2 she went home in snow and darkness. On the road suddenly two young soldiers crossed her way. At first she thought they would kill her, but then they fell on their knees and presented their little cross around their neck. It was clear, they had deserted from the Russian army and they would be shot from all sides. Only – the only solution was, Auntie would become a stealer to feed them.

        Auntie became a food stealer and all three survived.

        To me this story has more to do with God and the Bible than all sermons.

        We cannot know everything. Also that is a teaching from the anchient.

    • if you still use coins—toss one

      loonies on both sides

      they’re still arguing about 9/11

      • ivanislav says:

        Norm, I’ve forgotten – do you know whether it the first or the second airplane that knocked down WTC7

        • hkeithhenson says:

          On September 11, 2001, the structure was substantially damaged by debris when the nearby North Tower of the World Trade Center collapsed. The debris ignited fires on multiple lower floors of the building, which continued to burn uncontrolled throughout the afternoon. The building’s internal fire suppression system lacked water pressure to fight the fires. The collapse began when a critical internal column buckled and triggered cascading failure of nearby columns throughout, which was first visible from the exterior with the crumbling of a rooftop penthouse structure at 5:20:33 pm. This initiated progressive collapse of the entire building at 5:21:10 pm, according to FEMA,[5]: 23  while the 2008 NIST study placed the final collapse time at 5:20:52 pm.[6]: 19, 21, 50–51  The collapse made the old 7 World Trade Center the first steel skyscraper known to have collapsed primarily due to uncontrolled fires.[7][8]

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

          • ivanislav says:

            >> The collapse made the old 7 World Trade Center the first steel skyscraper known to have collapsed primarily due to uncontrolled fires

            Weird! How many steel skyscrapers have collapsed from fire since then?

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              “On September 11, 2001, the structure was substantially damaged by debris when the nearby North Tower of the World Trade Center collapsed.”

              building design is not done primarily to cope with massive horizontal forces against lower floors.

              weird, ya think?

          • Foolish Fitz says:

            Keith, have you ever looked into the official claim?

            Given your dismissal of Norman as not understanding the laws of physics, could you read this

            https://doi.org/10.6028/NIST.NCSTAR.1a

            You don’t need to bother wondering why, from the very start, they refused to consider any possibility except fire as the cause, the fact that it was the second report, as they had missed a collapsed 47 floor building in the first report(almost like they wanted you to forget it ever existed), the fact that there where other buildings between that were hit by debris, but looked remarkably unscathed afterwards, the fact that it fell into its own footprint in 7 seconds(even though they claim the collapse started near the corner at junction 2001A), or the fact that they refused to show their modelling, apparently because it was not in the public interest (the public disagreed, so where ignored). Just stick to the physics.

            Does fire really seem plausible to you?

            Now read this

            https://ine.uaf.edu/news/2019/presentation-wtc7-collapse-study/

            Which fits the laws of physics as we understand them?

            Now explain to Norman.

        • ivan

          a person of my advanced years does have enough of them left to waste any on any more of the OFW versions of 9/11 again.

          when covid slows a bit

          off we go on 9/11 again—and eddy goes into ecstatic spasm

          just don’t include me in this claptrap

      • Jarle says:

        Norman:

        > they’re still arguing about 9/11

        If you find that strange that’s your problem, mate.

        • we all have problems

          clear up 9/11 and your whack a mole thought processes will throw up kennedy–or something else.

          early last year the sage of OFW was insisting that the Ukraine war was being staged by crisis actors

          and if you didnt accept that crackpot idea you must be a p’do

          All on record in the archive (I never make stuff up to prove a point)

          Hopefully you can see why i rubbish all of it.

          if you can’t, then that’s your problem

          (mate)

    • I don’t know about others. I espouse the accelerationist view but bolstered by my centrist, uber-traditional background

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      I ❤ Science.

    • Why would any *one* world view be expressed in a comments section?

      I used to think Cro-Magnon was out there, but I quite agree with a couple of his recent comments. I think at OFW most people are seekers of truth (which—as mortal creatures of limited perception—we will never be able to fully grasp),

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I used to think norm and keith were f789ed up…. I still do.

        • Cromagnon says:

          Why thank you lydia……I appreciate your candor.

          Reality is a puzzle indeed, I suspect even the most astute amongst us grasp only the smallest fraction of the truth.

          PS: being “out there”, is exactly where I want to be lol.

          • Xabier says:

            It’s a fascinating place to be, observant and sceptical.

            Last weekend another low-key ‘paranormal’ incident occurred here in the presence of a once purely scientific rationalist friend – who now accepts this sort of thing as indisputably real.

            As I pointed out, whatever the presence/agent is, at least it appears to be benign and to possess a sense of humour.

            I also had a premonition of the very untimely death of a friend – in an accident – recently.

            I rather dread it happening again, naturally – it might be better not to know about future evils which can’ t be averted.

            I suppose one must see it as being granted insight into destiny, the addition of another kind of sense.

        • Xabier says:

          Actually, Keith implied above that the demise of anti-vaxxers would ‘improve the gene’ pool.

          So he is now officially NOF 2.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Add duncI(e) to that list and we have The 3 NOFs. Kinda like the 3 Tenors…

            3 blind NOFs see how they run….

            • Xabier says:

              I do miss Duncan’s drive-by insults.

              We are mental defectives who will be justifiably eliminated by our ‘anti-science’ stance, I seem to recall, leaving bright vaxxed-up people like him to inherit the earth.

              So funny.

        • toldya keith

          youll be on eddys pdo list in no time

          • Fast Eddy says:

            FYI Booster Shot Lovers — https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/48879

          • Tim Groves says:

            Norman and Keith; you disagree with each other on some issues to the point of implying the other is a moreon (Norman’s “lack” of real engineering/scientific knowledge in Keith’s opinion, and Keith being a Sci-Fi cultist who has trouble separating fact from fiction in Norman’s opinion).

            But on one issue you two are in “lock step” agreement, to borrow a phrase. Namely, you both regard the jabs being benign, relatively harmless and relatively effective.

            And it is there that you are both de-lu–ded to the point of mesmerization, in my opinion.

            Because the jabs are not vaccines, they do not prevent infection or death from the pathogen they are supposed to defend against. And even if they did, it would be pointless to give them to people aged 80 or above because most people in that age group don’t have an immune system capable of being boosted by them. And even if they were among the lucky geriatrics who could get a boost, serial jabbing causes immune imprinting and prevents the immune system (Original Antigenic Sin) from dealing effectively with new variants of the pathogen, which means you will be well and truly f$%ked when you encounter them.

            But all this is by the by because the jabs are actually biological and chemical weapons. Pfizer has now admitted as much in its court filings. It produced the jabs demonstration products under contract with the United States Department of Defense.

            My take away from this is that, just as your 80-year-old-plus immune systems can no longer cope very well with novel pathogens, so your 80-year-old-plus cognitive systems can no longer cope very well with novel information. Yes, you can scoff it off, laugh it off, ad hom the messenger, or dismiss it out of hand, but the one thing you can’t do is cope with it.

            It’s not your fault. It happens a lot to old people. It’s called cognitive decline. And it happens a lot to not-so-old people who’ve been jabbed with the rat juice multiple times.

            Most of us, by now, have seen examples of this in our own families and social circles.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              NOF-syndrome.

              The thing is …

              Both of them are so far gone your comments will not register with them… they are zombified … all they know is More Boosters.. More Boosters.. Safe and Effective … More Boosters.

              It’s really fun to watch this daily norm keith sh it show … even though I have to admit I delete almost all of their comments… the only ones are read are when someone responds to one of theirs.

              Let the shi t show continue — till one or both drop from the Rat Juice hahahahaha

            • hkeithhenson says:

              “Namely, you both regard the jabs being benign, relatively harmless and relatively effective. ”

              This is just normal for the class of people I associate with. There are no vaccine holdouts in around 100 relatives and close friends. There are two groups I am associated with, one of about 500 and the other of about 2500 who are all vaccinated. It is no longer a meeting requirement, but it was a couple of years ago. I have never pushed vaccines, the people I know all did it on their own–along with 2/3rds (or more) of the US population.

              “pointless to give them to people aged 80 or above because most people in that age group don’t have an immune system capable of being boosted by them.”

              Could be I suppose. The shots have caused soreness at the injection site and a day or two of low grade fever, not different from what I hear from much younger people.

              On the other hand, I am on anti-aging treatments. It possible this is revving up my immune system. I accept the risk (if any).

              “no longer cope very well with novel information.’

              I freely admit to being boggled by the recent discovery of a nest of stars near Tabby’s star that look very much like a K2 civilization. A year ago I would have said “no way” and cited https://www.sciencealert.com/three-of-the-world-s-greatest-minds-just-published-a-disheartening-take-on-the-fermi-paradox (two of the authors are friends).

              I have asked them what they think of the K2 indications. No reply yet. They may be more boggled than I am.

              Am slowing down, but recently I did finish a paper “Genetic Selection for War in Human Populations” and filed for patent protection for a method to keep SpaceX rockets from going bang like a tactical nuke.

              It annoys me that this blog, which is supposed to be about energy problems gets hijacked, I will shortly go away and come back in a year or two.

              Nothing will have changed.

            • Tim

              I have always tried to put you in the ‘adult’ category of OFW commenters.

              Your use of the word ‘moreon’–(misspelt, as does your mentor)—demotes you to the ‘skoolyard wall chalker’ brigade.

              In clinical terminology—a ‘moron’ has the intellectual capability of a 12 year old child.
              Which certainly fits .—petulant, unstable and incapable of adult level reasoned exchange. Instead there is childlike rant, and pre-pubescent sex ual innuendo revealing insecurity and inadequacies. (hence the obsession with fakery)
              Even at my age I don’t suffer that problem.

              Keith and I differ with courtesy—Where he is in error—i point it out—and vice versa–thats pretty much as far as it goes I think.—maybe with a gentle humour thrown in.

              I certainly make no pretence about my higher level scientific formal training—but somehow the lectures i give on certain subjects are well attended—and nobody throws vegetables.

              Stuff I wrote 10 years ago gets copied and reposted– with compliments.

              Which is encouraging.

              I don’t regurgitate stuff I wrote 10 years ago–endless repetition in the hope that it will be ”right” if i say it often enough.

              not that i promote myself as being ”right’ about everything.

              as with most activities—you’re only as good as someone else says you are.
              Worth considering—wouldn’t you say?

            • Xabier says:

              Very good Tim!

              Although I would qualify somewhat in that I believe that the vaxxes are defined in the special-terms contracts with the US DOD as ‘countermeasures’ – nothing so crass as ‘weapons’.

              But we know they act as weapons: if they kill and maim on a huge scale – as we know they do – that is surely a justified term.

              As for age, I recently laid everything out to a friend in his 80’s, after gentler and kinder hints about possible dangers had fallen on deaf ears, and he responded excellently.

              I took this extreme measure as They are clearly going to continue to go strongly for the children – and indeed embyos – and like Norman he is well-supplied with grandchildren.

              As former SAS, he had no difficulty in grasping that government and the docs might kill and lie about it, being fully aware of the facts behind Gulf War Syndrome and the cover-up those soldiers faced. Ditto for the Iraq WMD lie.

            • nobody is ”’going for the children and embryos”

              move on

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Far more people in the US have been maimed – killed by the Rat Juice than US soldiers in the entire Vietnam War hahahahaha

              How cool is THAT!

            • Tim Groves says:

              Thank you Keith and Norman for taking me observations so well.

              I speak from personal experience as someone who is collecting one pension and just about to start collecting two more. So I’m what the British used to call a senior citizen and not totally outside the extreme-old-age group ballpark.

              Some people are obsessed with aging and notice every new wrinkle, ache and pain and remember every memory lapse and “senior” moment. “You can’t teach an old dog new tricks” is their slogan. Other people are in total denial about aging and refuse to acknowledge the issue. “You’re as old as you feel,” they declare.

              I won’t touch on the physical or sexual issues here. But I’ll offer one tip—which I personally don’t yet feel the need to take.

              The single biggest cause of erectile dysfunction (ED) is the aging body’s declining potential to manufacture—no, not testosterone—nitric oxide (NO). NO also plays a vitally important role in maintaining cardiovascular health. Many years ago, Pfizer developed a drug to help make this essential molecule available to people with cardiovascular disease, and during the human trials on it, they were surprised that the subjects taking part in the tests didn’t return their unused samples of the drug, which was very unusual.

              The reason was because the NO was helping eliminate the ED, and so Pfizer decided to market the drug principally for that purpose, and the rest is history. They gave it a name beginning with V and got Bob Dole to promote it on TV.

              So my anti-aging tip for today would be to investigate ways of increasing your NO availability.

            • If there’s one thing ive learned by reaching almost 88, the solution to ED lies between your ears—not ‘elsewhere’

              with respect tim, OFW is not the place to go into further details on it.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Perish the thought, Norman. I’m sure nobody here questions your stiffness and rigidity.

              Leaving that sort of thing to one side, there are several ways to boost the body’s availability of nitric oxide, for instance:

              Exercise: Regular exercise has been shown to increase the production of NO in the body, which can help improve blood flow and reduce inflammation.

              Dietary changes: Certain foods, such as leafy greens, beets, and pomegranates, contain compounds that can help boost NO production in the body. Additionally, a diet rich in fruits, vegetables, and whole grains can help promote cardiovascular health and support NO production.

              L-arginine supplements: L-arginine is an amino acid that is a precursor to NO production in the body. Taking L-arginine supplements can help increase NO availability and improve cardiovascular health.

              Nitrate supplements: Nitrate supplements, which are derived from sources such as beets and spinach, can also help boost NO production in the body.

              Sunlight exposure: Exposure to sunlight can help stimulate the production of NO in the body, which can help support cardiovascular health and regulate blood pressure.

            • i simply said—the answer lies between your ears tim—i didn’t mention anything else.

              you added other words, not me—maybe that’s your problem—think laterally, not vertically

              as to the rest of it—spinach and an anchor tattooed of my forearm, yes

              nothing else apart from the gym

      • Jan says:

        I think it is wonderful, to have such a variety of well argued world views condensed on a single page!

        • Xabier says:

          I concur: from you to FE, to Norm and Keith, and Cromagnon, etc – it’s unique. All balanced and moderated by Gail.

          I certainly don’t wish to read only those views I’d agree with 100%.

          Moreover, FE and Student, and others, keep on coming up with excellent links which help in keeping on top of things.

          We get a very wide view here, and across several continents.

          Even Norman and Keith help us to understand how unimaginative and imperceptive people tend to think, which is useful in itself.

          Above all how they are suckers for official narratives – a testimony to the power of behavioural ‘science’ and propaganda, which is a lesson in itself.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Oh yes of course… we need some MORE-ONS of OFW … to put the level of genius here in perspective…

            Kinda like if everyone each had a giant glistening perfect diamond… no big deal… but if a few people come to the party with hunks of dead grey rock (falling out of their ears)… we appreciate our diamonds all the more

            A big thank you to our resident MORE-ONS… without naming names… we definitely value you

          • hkeithhenson says:

            “unimaginative and imperceptive people”

            These are some of the sharpest people around. I can’t think of any who were moved by “majority group” thinking. As far as I know they all watched the science develop and independently came to the same conclusion to get the vaccine, even knowing the vaccine’s limits.

            “suckers for official narratives”

            Now while I believe the official narrative was well intentioned, parts of it (six foot spacing) were just wrong, based on decades old studies. It was obvious to me very early that the large droplet and surface contamination model was at least incomplete and, especially after the coral practice super spreader episode, that fine airsols were the main infection risk. This was eventually understood and the narrative corrected.

            From the frozen food events in NZ and China, it is clear that surface contamination *was* one spreading mode, but rare and not the main one.

            • right at the very start of covid—i said governments had a knee jerk reaction—none knew what to do for the best–and expected a repeat of 1921.

              which is why i react with disdain to:–”-they are coming for your babies”—which was repeated only today—and the other classic” look look—metal objects are sticking to my skin”—another attention seeking BS artist ”doctor”

        • Xabier says:

          For instance, Keith’s illuminating comments on the vaxxes, and the 100% conformity of his family and associates, amounts to nothing more than feeling comfortable because he is with the majority – known for centuries to be the weakest of all arguments for the truth of a proposition or belief.

          There is simply, no discernible rationality or intelligence in such a stance.

          Now, it might be comfortable, it might be socially and politically safer to go with the majority; but that is another matter entirely.

          • Artleads says:

            Xabier

            “Now, it might be comfortable, it might be socially and politically safer to go with the majority; but that is another matter entirely.”

            And to the best of my understanding, this path, more often than not, compounds the bigger problem of sustainability. Like kicking the can down the road for somebody else (who?) to deal with.

          • hkeithhenson says:

            “comfortable because he is with the majority ”

            I don’t think being in the majority ever crossed my mind, or for that matter, anyone I know. It was, to the best information we had, the sensible thing to do.

            • for some reason—that gets you a ride in the tumbril keith

            • Since we all had the information that more died in the injection group than the un-injected group, how can you make the claim that you were operating on the “best information” ?

              We all knew, also, that the average age of death “with covid” was higher than the average age of death from all causes, which scuttles the fiction that there even was a problem to begin with. That one single fact, never denied or debunked, simply blows the entire global fraud wide open for anyone who is vaguely numerate.

            • Tim Groves says:

              This is precisely my point, Keith. It was the best information that you and Norman and your immediate circle of smarter-than-the-average educated seniors had.

              And why was that? My contention is that you were given that best information via your regular trusted information channels—not exactly your single source of truth, but close enough.

              There was, has been and is better information available, but you and Norman cannot access it because if doesn’t come via your regular trusted information channels, or because it contradicts the information you get via your trusted channels.

              Those of us who gained access to better information did so because (in most cases) over the past 20 years or so we were able to abandon the notion that our trusted information channels were trustworthy. We saw in realtime how the mass media, including TV, newspapers, magazines and even science journals, became less and less fair, unbiased, critical, focused of facts, etc., and more and more prone to censorship, propagandizing, and beholden to the agendas of their owners.

              In the medical field, some of this saw this as far back as the 1980s when Peter Duesberg—perhaps the greatest molecular and cell biologist of his time, was subject to a modern-day Lynch-ing or Witch Trial for refusing to go along with the narrative on HIV being the cause of AIDS. Not long after which the same medical mafia media mob came for Andrew Wakefield for daring to publish research questioning the safety of MMR vaccinations.

              You and Norman and you mates, I suggest, could not possibly have known enough about the subjects in question to have been able to make a sound judgement as to whether Duesberg and Wakefield were correct in their arguments, but I expect you would have been quite content to to see these scientists attacked and their careers destroyed based on what the authorities quoted by your regular trusted information channels were telling you.

              More recently, you probably also trusted those information channels over Nine/11, Iraq WMD, Putin, Trump and the entire Covid Circus. Whereas those of us who have become disillusioned with those information channels had no compelling reason to believe an iota of what they were telling us about any of these things.

              Why this trust? At your age? It can’t be because you are unintelligent, so I postulate that it is to a large extent because of your age. Not because you are in mental decline, although in mental decline we all are. But mainly because you came of age in the pre–internet era an era when the dominant narratives were easy to protect and difficult to question. Very few people questioned them, and even those who did had only a very limited potential for spreading their concerns and counter-arguments, or for publicizing facts that the guardians of the narratives wanted to keep buried.

              The US Department of Defense doesn’t want the world to know that it is organizing the worldwide jabbing campaign and that the drug companies are working for it as contractors. It does not want us to know the purpose of implementing the countermeasures. It doesn’t want us to know that the “countermeasures” do not have to comply with quality control” regulations or that different batches contain different ingredients. It doesn’t want us to know precisely what is inside the countermeasures or what it does in the body. And it doesn’t want us to ask what is inside them. It just wants us to accept them as “safe and effective” vaccines that we should all just shut up and allow to be injected into our arms with a smile.

              You and Norman and your mates seem to be quite happy to let the DOD have its way in all of this. You seem to be swallowing the narratives presented to you by your trusted sources of information as if these narratives were mother’s milk and as if we were still living in 1999 and our main worries were the ozone hole and the Y2K problem.

            • We have come to a strange period in the history of the world, where “everything will continue as in the past” is a fairy tail. It has become obvious that we are coming to a major downward inflection point, but this truth is simply too awful to tell. Politicians don’t dare tell the story to their constituents; universities can’t tell their students that their degrees soon won’t be worth much; financial planners cannot tell people that money won’t really be a store of value; and advertisers can’t tell people that the car they are buying won’t be useful for very long.

              Somehow, different parts of the system come up with what might be helpful to deal with the resource problem we seem be up against. The military latched onto the idea of using germ warfare, instead of conventional warfare, if depleting fossil fuel supplies were a problem. The medical system came up with the idea of creating a vaccine to match up with the viruses created through experiments in germ warfare. Everything that was developed had multiple purposes, so that there were some beneficial uses, such as enhanced drug delivery across the blood-brain barrier or improved birth control. The US government and governments around the world funded this research, through their funding for their military and also health care research. There was a great deal of planning, even involving the media, of how to respond if/when an epidemic took place.

              At the same time, what most of us would think of as governmental organizations, such as the US Center for Disease Control, the National Institute for Health, and the World Health Organization have increasingly found that their funding comes from private sources (such as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation) because government funds fall short.

              Furthermore, the fields have become so technical that there is little difference between the regulators and the organizations that they seek to regulate. Scientist taking jobs with governmental organization know that many of them will soon be going back to work in the companies they regulate. There is a strong desire to give whatever answers the pharmaceutical and other regulated companies want, to assure themselves of good jobs after they leave their governmental posts. The regulators have been captured by the organizations that they are supposedly regulating.

              Mainstream media has become increasingly short of revenue. It can no long afford to hire very many investigative reporters. Instead, it depends on close to pre-written stories, coming from official sources. The government can even provide some funding to go with its almost prewritten sources. So it goes along with whatever the military is “pushing.”

              With the military involved in the virus and vaccines and the proposed response to the epidemic, both Republican and Democratic Parties tended to go along with the official news stories. The shutdowns in response to the pandemic look like they were intended to help financial problems, more than they were intended to prevent the spread of the disease. (Such extended isolation had never been found helpful in the past.)

              The story is so bizarre that it is hard to believe. “Normal” vaccines have been tested for 10 years before they are released. The testing of these new “vaccines” was very limited, and the poor results were never distributed to the general population.

              A vaccine can usually only be made if there are not regular drugs that treat a given virus. This was another area where standard procedures were completely ignored. If properly treated, even early covid was not very lethal. As the virus that causes covid has evolved, it has become less and less lethal. There is evidence that too much vaccine harms the body’s response to other viruses, making a person susceptible to other diseases.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Yep .. and then there are the Trannies Flashing their packages to the younguns… while norm claps and dances along in the background…

              Anyhow … I have a new project that I would like to announce to OFW … I am finding feeding the hopper with coal and wood can sometimes be … a hassle… and mornings require space heaters (see Hoolio’s favourite position)… as it takes time for the Rayburn to be fired up …

              Apparently there is another nasty solution to this — diesel! — yes diesel. That filthy looking syrupy oily stuff …. the sales folks are coming tomorrow to discuss a diesel boiler system like this https://www.kekelit.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Diesel-boiler-Viessmann-200-t2.jpg

              It can work in conjunction with the Rayburn and will kick in when the Rayburn is not putting out enough BTUs to cook a frog… or when the Rayburn is not fired up.

              Apparently diesel has super powers that can get water boiling hard and feeding the radiator system on demand…

              Burn More Fossil Fuels – yes that’s my motto!

              I will be sure to ask about options involving spent fuel from nuclear plants… surely if one had a lead shielded holding tank with a hatch … you could just have a hunk of spent fuel delivered once a year … providing all the heat required to boil the f789 out of the water??? I cannot see why this is not an option … why has nobody thought of this???

              A hunk of spent fuel in every pot – that’s also my motto.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              ‘It was, to the best information we had, the sensible thing to do.’

              Hmmm… surely the best information available would include the fact that there were NO long term studies – cuz this garbage only existed (as far as we are told) for less than a year before it was pumped into billions

              One of the reasons they do not accelerate drug/vaccine development and skip long term studies is cuz they got burned on thalidomide…. there is also the issue with the dengue vaccine killing lots of folks in the Philippines…

              As Mike Yeadon stated early on … why would they try to coerce every single person on the planet to inject something without proper testing — assume best intentions – if it went sideways on them — BAU collapses cuz so many might die or be maimed.

              Surely anyone with half a brain would have understand something was not right with this picture

            • tim

              lot of repeated ”trusted channels” there—i lost count

              ”organizing the worldwide jabbing campaign”

              now—that is a rather sweeping statement if i may say so.

              the problem i have with it tim–is this:

              Over time, you have promoted various deposits of utter BS—gleaned from god knows where, all the accumulaled Bs nonsense of social media, )I’m not going through the list again)

              Now you offer up another gem—-organizing the worldwide jabbing campaign—taken no doubt from the same source—and idiots like me are expected to accept it without question–why?—because you read it somewhere. (like “they are coming after your babies”—one of the best–though not your i hasten to add)

              Covid came–and is now waning–just as it did last time

              Governments reacted badly–stupidly–agreed.–panic mostly, nobody knew what to do for the best—i said the same 2 years ago.—remember?—when it was all crisis actors?

              But there is NO —-organizing the worldwide jabbing campaign—-

            • hkeithhenson says:

              Lidia, I can’t follow the logic of your post.

              “We all knew, also, that the average age of death “with covid” was higher than the average age of death from all causes,”

              That sounds right, but how does:

              “which scuttles the fiction that there even was a problem to begin with”

              follow? About a million people in the US died of covid 19. This is not a problem?

            • Fast Eddy says:

              But keith – we know for a fact that many people with covid were murdered… they were given Remdesivir — and Midazolam…

              Warnings

              Midazolam can slow or stop your breathing, especially if you have recently used an opioid medication or alcohol. Midazolam is given in a hospital, dentist office, or other clinic setting where your vital signs can be watched closely.

              Related/similar drugs
              lorazepam, diazepam, topiramate, promethazine, levetiracetam, Ativan, Keppra
              Before taking this medicine
              You should not use midazolam if you are allergic to it, or if you have:

              narrow-angle glaucoma;

              untreated or uncontrolled open-angle glaucoma; or

              an allergy to cherries.

              Tell your doctor if you have ever had:

              glaucoma;

              breathing problems; or

              congestive heart failure.

              https://www.drugs.com/mtm/midazolam.html

            • ivanislav says:

              Keith, more years (remaining expected total) are lost from opioids and yet somehow we don’t shut down the country or the border or even report on it. How about maintaining some sense of proportion.

            • hkeithhenson says:

              “The US Department of Defense doesn’t want the world to know”

              Tim, do you really think the DoD could keep a secret like this with a lot of people and over a number of years?

              I don’t, and I cite the recent hoorah involving the national guard member and his buddies on Discord.

              I understand why people believe in conspiracies. A cult does not have to have a leader for people to focus rewarding attention on each other. I know I can’t talk you out of it, the rewards are at the brain chemical level. But you might, next time you are in such an interaction, pay attention to the endorphin rush.

            • hkeithhenson says:

              By the way Tim, if you want something to be paranoid about, you can ask what the government knows about Tabby’s star. Dig around and you will see an interesting clampdown. Dig around too much and you may “attract the attention of important people.” My reputation and connections protects me to a limited extent, but if I vanish, make a note of it.

              Governments have an elaborate protocol for announcing ETs “so they don’t panic the public.” This slipped into the open through a NZ web site.

              I think part of the reason for the confusion at high levels is that this is not the classical LGM, but something much stranger. It looks like they are harvesting tens of thousands of times the energy humans use. Why is a good question.

              The current mode may be that they are hoping people just don’t believe it. It’s a standard response. In 1957 my dad (who was at the time Chief of the Scientific Section of G2 in the Pentagon) briefed the general up the chain of command about the pending USSR satellite launch. My dad was a high as the truth got. The general rejected the briefing because the USSR was never going to put up a satellite. When they did, it was shock from there all the way up to the President.

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              “Lidia, I can’t follow the logic of your post.”

              yes K we believe this is often your association with logic.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Keith, “I never mentioned “keep(ing) a secret”. That was your inference, not mine.

              The US Department of Defense doesn’t want the world to know” and at the same time it knows it can’t keep secrets this big. Instead, it relies on mass media propelled propaganda and omertà, and on general public incredulity to keep knowledge of secrets from spreading very far.

              The DoD information is out there, if you know where to look and if you are interested in finding out about it. Contrary to popular belief that pharmaceutical companies drove the COVID vaccine development programs, the FDA’s website reveals that the DoD has been in full control of the Covid Vaccine development program since its beginning. The DoD has been responsible for development, manufacturing, clinical trials, quality assurance, distribution and administration, since that time.

              You may find this FDA PDF to be of interest. And then again, you may not. You may find it disturbing. Personally, echoing the sentiments of Slartibartfast, it scares the willies out of me.

              https://www.fda.gov/media/143560/download

              Page 9. Operation Warp Speed

              HHS and DoD working collaboratively with other federal partners as “One Government entity” to address the largest health security threat our nation has faced in a century.

              Partnering with the biotech and pharmaceutical industry to develop, manufacture, deliver and administer safe and effective vaccines, and therapeutics to prevent and treat COVID-19 that will mitigate the effects of COVID-19 in the United States.

              Page 11. Vaccines Leadership

              Chief Operating Officer: United States of America Department of Defense

          • Tim Groves says:

            Also Keith, implying that somebody is paranoid or a conspiracy theorist is a crude ad hom employed by people who are uncomfortable with what is being discussed. It’s the sort of thing we’ve come to accept from Norman but I’m surprised and disappointed to see you descending to his level, although you both do it very politely.

            If there is something wrong with my facts or my logic, I’m happy to have this pointed out to me, and no offense taken. But to attempt to dismiss facts I present that can be easily checked online by reference to my psychological traits is unworthy of you.

            Instead of worrying about how bonkers I may be, you could make better use of your time and brainpower by checking out that FDA PDF and letting us know if it is legitimate or fake. Either the DoD is the CEO on the jabs or it isn’t?

            Please investigate and let us know what you find out because the degree of DoD involvement is germane to the entire subject of Operation Warp Speed. I wouldn’t trust the US Military to make ice cream for general consumption, let alone injectables.

  41. Dennis L. says:

    What I am seeing on the ground:

    To my eye, much farmland around me has not been planted this year, crp?

    Spoke with a used car dealer a few nights previous(can’t resist that one, he is a very good businessman, honest to boot), he was looking at farmland in IA, seems much of the current price rise is driven by existing farmers leveraging their current land purchased at lower values. He passed; I see the same thing, but note the unplanted land.

    Farming may be too expensive to do under current circumstances which do not value the soil as a depreciating asset – it is being over farmed, direct observation by myself.

    From latest TM,

    “It may seem obvious that less oil means less driving and less flying, but the real significance of oil contraction lies in what it means for ‘behind the scenes’ activities such as food production, petrochemical supply, and the distribution of products and raw materials.” If you missed it, food production and the distribution thereof.

    https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2023/06/17/258-written-in-the-skies/

    There are some references current that cheap food is secondary to a 1970’s government program to increase food shelf life. Can’t resist, much of it is now shelved on the bodies of our population. Tough to store raw grain, mice, always the damn mice.

    Amish planted their fields this spring, as I have noted earlier, seem prosperous; one guy has gone from four to eight horsepower, I count. Can he do twelve, or have diminishing returns set in? They can plant, cultivate, dig straight lines; must have horses with GPS, you think?

    Dennis L.

    • Xabier says:

      The ploughmen (‘horsemen’) here used to pride themselves on the straightness of their work: they used to walk about on Sundays judging one another’s skill, or lack of it.

      On the best farms there was pride in achieving neatness in everything they did, from which came proper self-respect. Basically it was the old craft attitude – always wrong to call them just ‘labourers’ I’ve always thought, or the almost insulting ‘hands’.

      • Cromagnon says:

        I would give my left …… to have a couple of truly old school skilled “hands” to help me manage my burgeoning herds.

        As we re enter the “real world” ( the rules of ecology of this world) industrial farming will implode. Ranching/herding will re emerge as a primary means of supplying high quality protein from a natural environment……

        The skills required to drive a herd, to manage dogs, to train a horse, to trap a predator….. ad infinitum are skills almost gone in the modern western world……

        I truly believe that the coming reset of this realm is, in part, because we have followed the mark of Cain and did not follow the example of Abel.

        Shepherds in the hills will be spared….all other will perish.

        • Xabier says:

          It’s worthy of note that here, in western Europe, governments seem intent on going all out to destroy the remaining pastoralists and their dogs – a world from which I am only a generation away on the Basque side.

          Some items of dress were unchanged from pre-history in my grandmother’s youth. I always feel happier somehow with a big knife/axe in my belt and a staff in my hand.

          I hope collapse happens first, and may the best types of people survive it.

          • Jane says:

            Is anyone exerting himself or themselves to keep this knowledge alive? Has everyone abandoned the pastoral way of life? Does anyone still care about Sankt Leonhardt?

          • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

            “I hope collapse happens first, and may the best types of people survive it.”

            it’s very reasonable to think that the collapse of IC indeed will be survived by the mountainman/pastoralist/hunter/fisher types.

            not me, I’m all in on bAU for my remaining years, and I will just have to accept the consequences if bAU fails before my body does.

            otherwise, younger folks should go for abandoning bAU now and heading for the hills, if that’s what they want to do.

            older folks too, why not, risk on.

            good luck with that.

            que sera sera.

    • Sam says:

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmarr/2022/01/28/the-biggest-future-trends-in-agriculture-and-food-production/amp/

      Food production needs to go up 68 percent by 2050… I think that’s an understatement

    • I think you have a good point.

      We heard recently about Bill Gates planning to spray his acreage with Roundup. This could be related.

      If farmers don’t think that food prices are high enough to cover all of the input costs (including interest rates on debt), they won’t plant the food.

      This is another version of energy prices not being high enough for oil producer. Food energy prices are not high enough for at least some farmers, now.

    • Hubbs says:

      “Businessmen they drink my wine. Plowmen dig my earth. No one among us here knows what any of it is worth.”

      From “All Along the Watchtower.” Bob Dylan, whom I believe is from your neck of the woods in Hibbing MN.

      A song about Dylan’s frustration with his mangers and record companies who were ripping him off. And then Jimmy Hendrix immortalized it.

      But some incidental lessons for us all. Plowing ruins the soil, which is why generations of till farming have depleted the soil to the point it is nothing more than a dirt covered planting surface to which you must add herbicide, insecticide, fertilizer, and GMO seed and hope for the right amount of rain, especially since fresh water from the aquifers and rivers is getting hard to come by.

      Convinced my daughter to take a soil science elective. This coming year at NCSU. It has a good agricultural school. Besides, she’ll meet nicer people there than she will in the medical field.
      I wonder if any Amish are using the “no till” method of farming to preserve the soil ecosystem.

      In orthopedics, the saying is the child is the father of the man.
      In agriculture, I you could say the soil is the father of the seed.

    • Jane says:

      In a documentary on the Amish (I thought it was pretty good), the farmer who was the main focus of the film said that the optimum, or perhaps maximum, size that an Amish family could farm was 40 acres. With a team of six horses. This size farm produces enough food for all the farm animals, including the draft animals, along with the products that are marketed. I don’t recall mention of where the seeds for crops are sourced, but I expect that some Amish run seed businesses.

  42. Mirror on the wall says:

    USA has admitted that its ‘training’ of UKR forces for the ‘counteroffensive’ is a farce.

    Troops receive a few days of instruction on the use of equipment when several weeks are required.

    USA failed to even provide some instruction manuals in Ukrainian.

    UKR is losing around 1000 manpower day for no gain, and has lost over 200 tanks.

    NATO equipment is getting blitzed and its stockpiles burnt.

    That at a time when NATO is falling further behind China.

    And now the excuses start.

    The Pentagon must think that the White House are complete idiots.

    Putin’s Blitz Forces U.S. to Make Excuses? Biden Govt Report Says ‘Ukrainians’ Training Not Perfect’

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “The Pentagon must think that the White House are complete idiots.”

      the Pentagon would be correct.

      Vlad the Great.

  43. Student says:

    Antony Fauci

    Protests coming from every part of Italy in the city of Siena against ‘honoris causa’ degree certificate given to Antony Fauci by the University of the city.
    A biolab will be open soon in Siena under the supervision of Antony Fauci…

    https://www.byoblu.com/2023/06/18/no-al-biotecnopolo-manifestazione-a-siena-contro-anthony-fauci/

    • People in Italy must be very aware of the fact that the vaccines did not perform as advertised, and that Fauci was a major factor in pushing the vaccines.

      • Cromagnon says:

        As I understand it, the breaking of the seven seals of the apocalypse refer to the army of God (the over soul) using military force to remove the hybrid spawn of Satan from the surface of this world. At this time there are no (or very few) “humans” left. It is why the son of god is the only worthy “human” left to accept the deed of this world. One has to be a true human (son of Adam) to be deemed worthy of being a vice regent and acceptable to rule.

        We are heading into a “post human” cataclysm and perhaps the jab was part of it. If it is indeed a recombinant DNA bioweapon then a very large number of humans are ipso facto…not human any longer….

        The other forces vying for this realm are appearing…..the hybrid spawn (the transhumans) the multiple “Alien” species…….and the strange celestial events that are harbingers of the war.

        Yeah, yeah…..its all foolishness??

        • cro

          trust me—-there are no celestial events that are harbingers of war

          no stars a million light years away are conjoining to bring about your doom

          not that this will alter your certainties.—just sayin

          • Cromagnon says:

            Any missing time in your life Norm?

            No nightmares of short gray big headed creatures touching you in inappropriate ways?

            The only star we physically need be concerned about directly is the one that drives photosynthesis on this world.
            Did you know that the current magnetic excursion has now passed 40 degrees of motion since we began monitoring it back in the day? Marked weaking of magnetic field lines has occurred.
            Also, please do note how “suddenly” there is all these reports regarding “new discoveries” of recurrent “nova” events on multiple observed remote stars……nothing to be remotely concerned about I am sure……

            I do wonder how human DNA will fare in an increasingly “radioactive” environment.
            Perhaps there will be a medical intervention devised to protect us?

            Simple musing of course, no basis whatsoever in “reality”

        • Fast Eddy says:

          it all sounds so… exciting… I can’t wait!

          • Kowalainen says:

            Two scenarios:

            1. The aliens arrive but we are oblivious to them and their subtle ways
            2. The aliens always has been here

            Both mostly nothingburgers
            🤷‍♂️

            IRL is neither exciting, nor mundane. It just is. Hoomans on the other hand…
            🤣👍👍

      • Student says:

        It is a terrible news Gail.
        I can say that some are aware in Italy of that and a some sort of direct proof is that protesters prepared a virtual cemetery in the place of the protest with the picture of people in good health who died immediately after the first or the second mRNA dose.
        It is showed in the video.
        Strokes, heart attack and various sudden reasons.
        But the point is that Italy is a Country with a very high debt and without an own currency.
        My impression is also that there is a high level of greed and corruption in comparison with other EU Countries, so there is the fertile soil to accept money from whoever can promise something although that can severely hurt others.
        Don’t forget that we are unfortunately very famous for M…A.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Ya but you guys have a lot of gypsie rabble… the government needs to run a big ad campaign promoting ‘Come to Italy to Hunt Gypsies’….. Hire Arnold to feature in the ads … tag line ‘Make My Day You Dirty Gypsie’ as he fires a high calibre bullet into the head of a large gypsie…

          If the SPCA says anything tell the govt to explain to them that there are too many gypsies and if we do not allow the tourists to shoot them we will have to cull them by throwing poison meatballs to the gypsie children again…

          I do not recommend allowing the tourists to shoot the children — that would be bad optics…

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Oh I forgot to mention .. the govt can monetize this by charging $1000 per kill..

        • Also, on a more emotional level, Italy’s campanilismo (everyone supports their local church-tower, and by extension town, family, etc.) is working against them rather than for them here. Anyone “Italian” who appears with some sort of successful prominence in the larger world will be fêted automatically to begin with.

          Plus, a good number are hypochondriacs (I found in my experience) so anything “health” related is going to affect their psyche greatly. TPTB really chose well to make Italy the Western coof epicenter as they are super-nervous nellies and visit the doctor and the pharmacy more often than they visit church (again, in my experience). It’s a form of social glue as well as entertainment: the riveted attention USians give to a Kardashian or something Disney is given to Zia Esmeralda’s gall bladder.

          I actually have three doctors in my husband’s family: his brother is a highly-successful neuro-radiologist, and his two nephews who (cough) naturally became doctors as well. One is doing high-level imaging research at the University of Florence. They are all in the jab camp, and I have not spoken to them since the covid onset. One of the nephews works in Bergamo, so you can just imagine the family fibrillation.

          Although i don’t think any of them are evil or corrupt in the conventional sense, I doubt that any of them would admit that the jabs are harming people. I think the idea that “[Medical tech thing] cannot fail, [medical tech thing] can only *be* failed” would be very strong with this group.

          Since I wasn’t in regular contact with them pre-covid, it seems like the time has passed to strike up a discussion about it. I can easily see that a majority of the public would still honor Fauci.

    • Xabier says:

      A new Renaissance, this time in the bio-sciences!

      Really, Italians should be more grateful – after all, this man, this great, noble and self-sacrificing man shouldering the brden of duty even i advance years, saved the world!

      Id give my right arm, an eye and a functioning heart and kidney to have a Fauci Lab right here on my doorstep.

  44. Student says:

    (Il Sussidiario + Tio.ch)

    Switzerland: -10% births in 2022
    Linked to mRNA vaccine?
    According to Dr. Konstantin Beck, Swiss health economist, yes.

    https://www.ilsussidiario.net/news/svizzera-10-nascite-nel-2022-colpa-del-vaccino-covid-non-ce-altra-spiegazione/2553695/

    https://www.tio.ch/svizzera/attualita/1601428/nascite-grylka-inizio-afferma-dati

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