Citizens seem to be clamoring for shutdowns to prevent the spread of COVID-19. There is one major difficulty, however. Once an economy has been shut down, it is extremely difficult for the economy to recover back to the level it had reached previously. In fact, the longer the shutdown lasts, the more critical the problem is likely to be. China can shut down its economy for two weeks over the Chinese New Year, each year, without much damage. But, if the outage is longer and more widespread, damaging effects are likely.
A major reason why economies around the world will have difficulty restarting is because the world economy was in very poor shape before COVID-19 hit; shutting down major parts of the economy for a time leads to even more people with low wages or without any job. It will be very difficult and time-consuming to replace the failed businesses that provided these jobs.
When an outbreak of COVID-19 hit, epidemiologists recommended social distancing approaches that seemed to be helpful back in 1918-1919. The issue, however, is that the world economy has changed. Social distancing rules have a much more adverse impact on today’s economy than on the economy of 100 years ago.
Governments that wanted to push back found themselves up against a wall of citizen expectations. A common belief, even among economists, was that any shutdown would be short, and the recovery would be V-shaped. False information (really propaganda) published by China tended to reinforce the expectation that shutdowns could truly be helpful. But if we look at the real situation, Chinese workers are finding themselves newly laid off as they attempt to return to work. This is leading to protests in the Hubei area.
My analysis indicates that now, in 2020, the world economy cannot withstand long shutdowns. One very serious problem is the fact that the prices of many commodities (including oil, copper and lithium) will fall far too low for producers, leading to disruption in supplies. Broken supply chains can be expected to lead to the loss of many products previously available. Ultimately, the world economy may be headed for collapse.
In this post, I explain some of the reasons for my concerns.
[1] An economy is a self-organizing system that can grow only under the right conditions. Removing a large number of businesses and the corresponding jobs for an extended shutdown will clearly have a detrimental effect on the economy.
Figure 1. Chart by author, using photo of building toy “Leonardo Sticks,” with notes showing a few types of elements the world economy.
An economy is a self-organizing networked system that grows, under the right circumstances. I have attempted to give an idea of how this happens in Figure 1. This is an image of a child’s building toy. The growth of an economy is somewhat like building a structure with many layers using such a toy.
The precise makeup of the economy is constantly changing. New businesses are formed, and new consumers grow up and take jobs. Governments enact laws, partly to collect taxes, and partly to ensure fair treatment of all. Consumers decide which products to buy based on a combination of factors, including their level of wages, the prices being charged for the available goods, the availability of debt, and the interest rate on that debt. Resources of various kinds are used in producing goods and services.
At the same time, some deletions are taking place. Big businesses buy smaller businesses; some customers die or move away. Products that become obsolete are discontinued. The inside of the dome becomes hollow from the deletions.
If a large number of businesses are closed for an extended period, this will have many adverse impacts on the economy:
- Fewer goods and services, in total, will be made for the economy during the period of the shutdown.
- Many workers will be laid off, either temporarily or permanently. Goods and services will suddenly be less affordable for these former workers. Many will fall behind on their rent and other obligations.
- The laid off workers will be unable to pay much in taxes. In the US, state and local governments will need to cut back the size of their programs to match lower revenue because they cannot borrow to offset the deficit.
- If fewer goods and services are made, demand for commodities will fall. This will push the prices of commodities, such as oil and copper, very low.
- Commodity producers, airlines and the travel industry are likely to head toward permanent contraction, further adding to layoffs.
- Broken supply lines become problems. For example:
- A lack of parts from China has led to the closing of many automobile factories around the world.
- There is not enough cargo capacity on airplanes because much cargo was carried on passenger flights previously, and passenger flights have been cut back.
These adverse impacts become increasingly destabilizing for the economy, the longer the shutdowns go on. It is as if a huge number of deletions are made simultaneously in Figure 1. Temporary margins, such as storage of spare parts in warehouses, can provide only a temporary buffer. The remaining portions of the economy become less and less able to support themselves. If the economy was already in poor shape, the economy may collapse.
[2] The world economy was approaching resource limits even before the coronavirus epidemic appeared. This is not too different a situation than many earlier economies faced before they collapsed. Coronavirus pushes the world economy further toward collapse.
Reaching resource limits is sometimes described as, “The population outgrew the carrying capacity of the land.” The group of people living in the area could not grow enough food and firewood using the resources available at the time (such as arable land, energy from the sun, draft animals, and technology of the day) for their expanding populations.
Collapses have been studied by many researchers. The book Secular Cycles by Peter Turchin and Sergey Nefedov analyze eight agricultural economies that collapsed. Figure 2 is a chart I prepared, based on my analysis of the economies described in that book:
Figure 2. Chart by author based on Turchin and Nefedov’s Secular Cycles.
Economies tend to grow for many years before the population becomes high enough that the carrying capacity of the land they occupy is approached. Once the carrying capacity is hit, they enter a stagflation stage, during which population and GDP growth slow. Growing debt becomes an issue, as do both wage and wealth disparity.
Eventually, a crisis period is reached. The problems of the stagflation period become worse (wage and wealth disparity; need for debt by those with inadequate income) during the crisis period. Changes tend to take place during the crisis period that lead to substantial drops in GDP and population. For example, we read about some economies entering into wars during the crisis period in the attempt to gain more land and other resources. We also read about economies being attacked from outside in their weakened state.
Also, during the crisis period, with the high level of wage and wealth disparity, it becomes increasingly difficult for governments to collect enough taxes. This problem can lead to governments being overthrown because of unhappiness with high taxes and wage disparity. In some cases, as in the 1991 collapse of the central government of the Soviet Union, the top level government simply collapses, leaving the next lower level of government.
Strangely enough, epidemics also seem to occur within collapse periods. The rising population leads to people living closer to each other, increasing the risk of transmission. People with low wages often find it increasingly difficult to eat an adequate diet. As a result, their immune systems easily succumb to new communicable diseases. Part of the collapse process is often the loss of a significant share of the population to a communicable disease.
Looking back at Figure 2, I believe that the current economic cycle started with the use of fossil fuels back in the 1800s. The world economy hit the stagflation period in the 1970s, when oil supply first became constrained. The Great Recession of 2008-2009 seems to be a marker for the beginning of the crisis period in the current cycle. If I am right in this assessment, the world economy is in the period in which we should expect crises, such as pandemics or wars, to occur.
The world was already pushing up against resource limits before all of the shutdowns took place. The shutdowns can be expected to push the world economy toward a more rapid decline in output per capita. They also appear to increase the likelihood that citizens will try to overthrow their governments, once the quarantine restrictions are removed.
[3] The carrying capacity of the world today is augmented by the world’s energy supply. A major issue since 2014 is that oil prices have been too low for oil producers. The coronavirus problem is pushing oil prices even lower yet.
Strangely enough, the world economy is facing a resource shortage problem, but it manifests itself as low commodity prices and excessive wage and wealth disparity.
Most economists have not figured out that economies are, in physics terms, dissipative structures. These are self-organizing systems that grow, at least for a time. Hurricanes (powered by energy from warm water) and ecosystems (powered by sunlight) are other examples of dissipative structures. Humans are dissipative structures, as well; we are powered by the energy content of foods. Economies require energy for all of the processes that we associate with generating GDP, such as refining metals and transporting goods. Electricity is a form of energy.
Energy can be used to work around shortages of almost any kind of resource. For example, if fresh water is a problem, energy products can be used to build desalination plants. If lack of phosphate rocks is an issue for adequate fertilization, energy products can be used to extract these rocks from less accessible locations. If pollution is a problem, fossil fuels can be used to build so-called renewable energy devices such as wind turbines and solar panels, to try to reduce future CO2 pollution.
The growth in energy consumption correlates quite well with the growth of the world economy. In fact, increases in energy consumption seem to precede growth in GDP, suggesting that it is energy consumption growth that allows the growth of GDP.
Figure 3. World GDP Growth versus Energy Consumption Growth, based on data of 2018 BP Statistical Review of World Energy and GDP data in 2010$ amounts, from the World Bank.
The thing that economists tend to miss is the fact that extracting enough fossil fuels (or commodities of any type) is a two-sided price problem. Prices must be both:
- High enough for companies extracting the resources to make an after tax profit.
- Low enough for consumers to afford finished goods made with these resources.
Most economists believe that an inadequate supply of energy products will be marked by high prices. In fact, the situation seems to be almost “upside down” in a networked economy. Inadequate energy supplies seem to be marked by excessive wage and wealth disparity. This wage and wealth disparity leads to commodity prices that are too low for producers. Current WTI oil prices are about $20 per barrel, for example (Figure 4).
Figure 4. Daily spot price of West Texas Intermediate oil, based on EIA data.
The low-price commodity price issue is really an affordability problem. The many people with low wages cannot afford goods such as cars, homes with heating and air conditioning, and vacation travel. In fact, they may even have difficulty affording food. Spending by rich people does not make up for the shortfall in spending by the poor because the rich tend to spend their wealth differently. They tend to buy services such as tax planning and expensive private college educations for their children. These services require proportionately less commodity use than goods purchased by the poor.
The problem of low commodity prices becomes especially acute in countries that produce commodities for export. Producers find it difficult to pay workers adequate wages to live on. Also, governments are not able to collect enough taxes for the services workers expect, such as public transit. The combination is likely to lead to protests by citizens whenever the opportunity arises. Once shutdowns end, these countries are especially in danger of having their governments overthrown.
[4] There are limits to what governments and central banks can fix.
Governments can give citizens checks so that they have enough funds to buy groceries. This may, indeed, keep the price of food products high enough for food producers. There may still be problems with broken supply lines, so there may still be shortages of some products. For example, if there are eggs but no egg cartons, there may be no eggs for sale in grocery stores.
Central banks can act as buyers for many kinds of assets such as bonds and even shares of stock. In this way, they can perhaps keep stock market prices reasonably high. If enough gimmicks are used, perhaps they can even keep the prices of homes and farms reasonably high.
Central banks can also keep interest rates paid by governments low. In fact, interest rates can even be negative, especially for the short term. Businesses whose profitability has been reduced and workers who have been laid off are likely to discover that their credit ratings have been downgraded. This is likely to lead to higher interest costs for these borrowers, even if interest rates for the most creditworthy are kept low.
One area where governments and central banks seem to be fairly helpless is with respect to low prices for commodities used by industry, such as oil, natural gas, coal, copper and lithium. These commodities are traded internationally, so it is not just their own producers that need to be propped up; the market intervention needs to affect the entire world market.
One approach to raising world commodity prices would be to buy up large quantities of the commodities and store them somewhere. This is impractical, because no one has adequate storage for the huge quantities involved.
Another approach for raising world commodity prices would be to try to raise worldwide demand for finished goods and services. (Making more finished goods and services will use more commodities, and thus will tend to raise commodity prices.) To do this, checks would somehow need to go to the many poor people in the world, including those in India, Bangladesh and Nigeria, allowing these people to buy cars, homes, and other finished goods. Sending out checks only to people in one’s own economy would not be sufficient. It is unlikely that the US or the European Union would undertake a task such as this.
A major problem after many people have been out of work for a quite a while is the fact that many of these people will be behind on their regular payments, such as rent and car payments. They will be in no mood to buy a new vehicle or a new cell phone, simply because they have been offered a check that covers groceries and not much more. They will remain in a mode of cutting back on purchases, not adding more. Demand for most kinds of goods will remain low.
This lack of demand will make it difficult for business to have enough sales to make it profitable to reopen at the level of output that they had previously. Thus, employment and sales are likely to remain depressed even after the economy seems to be reopening. China seems to be having this problem. The Wall Street Journal reports China Is Open for Business, but the Postcoronavirus Reboot Looks Slow and Rocky. It also reports, Another Shortage in China’s Virus-Hit Economy: Jobs for College Grads.
[5] There is a significant likelihood that the COVID-19 problem is not going away, even if economies can “bend the trend line” with respect to new cases.
Bending the trend line has to do with trying to keep hospitals and medical providers from being overwhelmed. It is likely to mean that herd immunity is built up slowly, making repeat outbreaks more likely. Thus, if social isolation is stopped, COVID-19 illnesses can be expected to revisit prior locations. We know that this has been an issue in the past. The Spanish Flu epidemic came in three waves, over the years 1918-1919. The second wave was the most deadly.
A recent study by members of the Harvard School of Public Health says that the COVID-19 epidemic may appear in waves until into 2022. In fact, it could be back on a seasonal basis thereafter. It also indicates that more than one period of social distancing is likely to be required:
“A single period of social distancing will not be sufficient to prevent critical care capacities from being overwhelmed by the COVID-19 epidemic, because under any scenario considered it leaves enough of the population susceptible that a rebound in transmission after the end of the period will lead to an epidemic that exceeds this capacity.”
Thus, even if the COVID-19 problem seems to be fixed in a few weeks, it likely will be back again within a few months. With this level of uncertainty, businesses will not be willing to set up new operations. They will not hire many additional employees. The retired population will not run out and buy more tickets on cruise ships for next year. In fact, citizens are likely to continue to be worried about airplane flights being a place for transmitting illnesses, making the longer term prospects for the airline industry less optimistic.
Conclusion
The economy was already near the edge before COVID-19 hit. Wage and wealth disparity were big problems. Local populations of many areas objected to immigrants, fearing that the added population would reduce job opportunities for people who already lived there, among other things. As a result, many areas were experiencing protests because of unhappiness with the current economic situation.
The shutdowns temporarily cut back the protests, but they certainly do not fix the underlying situations. Instead, the shutdowns add to the number of people with very low wages or no income at all. The shutdowns also reduce the total quantity of goods and services available to purchase, regardless of how much money is added to the system. Many people will end up poorer, in some real sense.
As soon as the shutdowns end, it will be obvious that the world economy is in worse condition than it was before the shutdown. The longer the shutdowns last, the worse shape the world economy will be in. Thus, when businesses are restarted, we can expect even more protests and more divisive politics. Some governments may be overthrown, or they may collapse without being pushed. I fear that the world economy will be further down the road toward overall collapse.
Europe has become the destroyer.
Destruction of global trade.
Destruction of oil demand.
Destruction of the oil price.
Destruction of commodity prices.
And the Euro has formed a Triangle of Doom.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECzh1PcW4AE0yXg?format=png&name=900×900
The Euro has followed the oil price…but didn’t collapse with oil price this time…at least not yet.
Europe with its closed borders and not enough food production for itself is in particularly poor conditions. It is all too easy to see how the euro could drop down to something like .80 to the US$. It seems like we could see the EU unravel not long after this happens.
There is a growing concern on social unrest as indicated by many anecdotal incidences, internet searches, etc. It seems to be the next logical step when people find out that they dont have money to survive this lockdown or some parties who are hellbent on anarchy and riots. It might be happening very soon.. Take care everyone…
Yep, there are several thermometers to gauge these quickly shaping populist attitudes, e.g. Jimmy Dore seems to be openly black-pilled as of lately, so people would eventually jump the rep-dem corrals and go for the systemic jugular.. Although one would assume proper riots and strikes to be likely happening first in French-Italian theater.. but food could disappear first in the US. The race is on and the London bookies got the bat disease as well, lolz.
What? I don’t understand.
It’s very condensed writing, hopefully someone would unzip for you.. no offense..
Sometimes I find that I am confused by what you say. Perhaps you could make your writing style a little more reader friendly.
Gotta love wolrdofs prose. Obfuscated and hard to trace but readable with the right decoder in place.
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We have a certain number of readers who use google translate to read the comments. They are at a disadvantage if googletranslate won’t give them something useful. That is part of the reason I tend to write things out, rather than use a lot of abbreviations.
I think worldof wants to obfuscate in order not to leak his other aliases and true identity through his writing style and word statistics.
I guess his audience is somewhat different than the casual OFW lurker.
That’s why more army units moved out on the streets in Spain recently – just making sure…..
“Truckers hauling food are facing delays across the globe in the latest disruption to supply chains snarled by the coronavirus pandemic.
“They’re enduring lengthy wait times in Europe because of restrictions that have been imposed to control the virus’s spread. In South America, local laws have at times conflicted with country-wide ordinances that deem hauling food an essential service, leaving supplies sometimes stuck in storage. In parts of Africa, the shuttering of public transportation means drivers aren’t even able to make it into work. And huge spikes in demand have caused lags for loading at some U.S. warehouses.
“Just about everywhere, drivers’ access to critical services has been reduced or even cut off.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-03/the-biggest-chokepoint-in-the-global-food-supply-chain-is-trucks
“Last week, we made the case that tech manufacturing was uniquely vulnerable to pandemic problems, from a combination of just-in-time manufacturing practices and a far-flung network of suppliers. But just a week later, the news is even worse.”
https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/4/21207276/tech-manufacturing-china-supply-chain-lithium-benchmark
According to the lithium article,
Interesting, perhaps an asymmetry could develop where normal non rare element based PV panels get into ever larger oversupply, while offgrid batt packs would turn into even bigger unobtanium..
Re batteries – there are loads of old lead acid batteries – which can relatively easily be recycled – the modern gel/AGM lead acid technology performs as well if not better than Li and as it’s for stationary use, the weight is irrelevant. Just that for stationary applications – Li is seen as “sexier”. We run our entire research station on AGM lead acid. You just have to know how to treat them properly!
At this point, the US is doing a whole lot better than Europe and Africa. According to the article, the concern of drivers is that they will catch coronavirus and be unable to drive their truck for a while. I know that many truck drivers in the US are owner-operators. They have big debts on their rigs that they have to pay each month; they need to keep driving to keep up these payments.
“The European Union exemplifies the global economic and social earthquake the coronavirus pandemic has caused. It is the type of grave event we were told the EU existed to manage smoothly, through international cooperation and co‑ordination in public health, cushioning economic shock and ensuring a smooth take-off after the crisis.
“Instead, it has been every man for himself; borders closed, essential medical supplies not exported, the EU’s liberal ethos gone. One head of government, Viktor Orban in Hungary, now rules by decree. Public order is breaking down in Italy. All the EU’s weaknesses and federalist fantasies are exposed. As with much European commerce, it is unlikely to be business as usual for “the project” ever again…”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/05/eu-usa-economic-collapse-threatens-entire-world-order/
Another hack from $wampy msm, Hungary sent more aid and helpers to Italy than Germany-France in per capita metrics.. Besides EU structures were the first to abandon all cooperation during the onset of the crisis. Dying “liberal ethos” good riddance..
The European Union seems to be especially at risk, in all of this.
“As the true economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic becomes clear, economists seeing unprecedented data releases on an almost daily basis are gearing up for even worse to come.
“In the U.S. and the rest of the world, reports showing historic spikes in joblessness and declines in activity have been accompanied with warnings that even more concerning data will follow once the full impact of the lockdown in much of the world becomes clear.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-05/waiting-for-the-next-historic-number-global-economy-week-ahead
“The United Nations is facing a “dire” liquidity crisis as it deals with added expenses related to the need to “respond to the global health crisis” of coronavirus…”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-n-official-warns-of-dire-financial-crisis-due-to-coronavirus-in-leaked-documents/
The response takes added resources, but no one really has them. Doctors and nurses need to be taken from other sectors. No one can afford a more expensive healthcare system.
Couldn’t economist have seen this in advance?
“March saw a wave of corporate credit rating downgrades. Unfortunately, along with ratings, multiple macroeconomic and market signals show that a wave of company defaults is coming our way, both in 2020 and 2021… Company defaults will be far worse than what rating agency numbers tell us…”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mayrarodriguezvalladares/2020/04/04/covid-19-economic-crisis-will-bring-a-tidal-wave-of-company-defaults-in-2020-and-2021/#7bf4d756461e
“As a general rule, if one company has a negative shock through no fault of its own, even a severe one, it will be able to obtain financing to continue in business…
“It’s a different story if a majority of firms are all suffering shocks at the same time, and the outcome looks as uncertain as it does at the moment. To make matters worse, companies are entering this period carrying high levels of debt. US corporate debt, for example, is over 70% of GDP, much higher than historic levels.”
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/will-collapse-corporate-debt-market-lead-serious-financial-crisis-140837
“A “sleeping risk” on the books of U.S. businesses could be awakened by the pandemic, as the sudden cash crunch exposes a hidden type of financing that makes balance sheets look better, credit-rating firms are warning.
“The three biggest ratings firms each issued reports last month highlighting the dangers of supply-chain financing, a fast-growing, opaque technique for delaying payments to suppliers to improve cash flow.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supply-chain-finance-is-new-risk-in-crisis-11585992601
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The debt bubble that is holding up our whole system is clearly in danger of collapsing. Central banks would like to think that they can hold things together, but this seems very iffy.
At what level are supply chains damaged? 50%?
The Spaniard killed millions in the second wave
Italy obviously past peak death at currently 0.025% deaths. What was all the fuzz about?
1. without lockdowns, 10 to 100 times worse…
2. the second wave is coming… then the third etc…
3. based on #2, it’s way too early to measure the consequences…
10 times 🙂
100 times 🙂 🙂 🙂
Next wave some immunity should be built up and the weakest are already dead.
The wave after more …
The fourth wave it really is just a flu.
BS, the second time around, just like with the Spanish flu, the virus mutates and kills off the productive and leaves behind elderly and children.
“Herd immunity” is nothing else than a public health disgrace. It is true for the flu and covid-19
Listening to some virologists, this virus doesn’t mutate as quickly as “regular” flu, so there is a reasonable chance that this will not happen.
Of course, if we keep the flu around year after year, the new virus will have more chance to mutate.
You can test your theory, volunteer by staying in Italy through the pandemics, apply for residency / EU passport, easy..
side benefit is the food will taste better.
Spain 50M people – 120k infections.
USA 2017 – 300M people 42M infections
Spain – 20x 120k = 2.4 million infections …
Spain – to reach the ratio of infections in the US from 2017 would need over 7M infections…
What we have here is a tasty:
http://milnenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Sorry-liberals-the-Trump-Cohen-tapes-are-a-big-nothing-burger.png
@ FE
I knew this was a hoax when Tom Hanks came out and said he had it. Right then and there I said this is all fake. Once the “Crisis Actors” come out with it, this is a sign that it is all nonsense.
It is hard to see a whole lot of difference among countries based on lockdowns, when you look at data by country. Look at the third chart down in this set, particularly using deaths. It shows amounts normalized to population by country.
http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?fbclid=IwAR10biLpwk–EaldWkeF4uiaHuBcShjsdHa5s-s_E14Lwbf4yROZhnu17Q0
Face masks make a difference.
Lockdowns as severe as China’s may make a difference, but are absolutely absurd. China cannot recover.
A bit of Shanghai jazz, to spread herd immunity. Or maybe it will just kill us all. 🙁
the amazing Miss Hue Lee!
how about those Shanghai Sisters?
tonight the honor is Spain:
Spanish music played by potential virus carriers. We could all be dead in the morning! I expect you did this on purpose. 🙁
Does that lady love to show off her back or what?
Another piece to the puzzle — in 17/18 the hospitals WERE actually overwhelmed — as you might expect what nearly 700k people check in over a few month period
https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/
There was NO PANIC.
The country did NOT SHUT DOWN.
Yet 5000+ check ins…. and holy moly — the sky is falling — the hospitals are apparently full — the nurses are bawling…. there are reefer trucks waiting out back to handle the dead bodies
Mayor demands more body storage!!! Are you scared!!!
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/03/31/00/26566590-8169681-A_total_of_12_trucks_were_seen_outside_NYU_Langone_in_Manhattan_-a-3_1585609675753.jpg
Preaching to the choir.
Some people say Malthus did not foresee the Industrial Revolution.
But he did live to see the first railroads. The first edition of his book came out on 1798, but his final edition came out on 1826 when the IR was in full bloom. It was his final edition which influenced Darwin and Alfred Wallace to study evolution.
He was aware of coal, and although he did not foresee petroleum, he never said when the collapse was going to arrive.
As someone who has actually read his book, I have to say that he was quite misunderstood by those who only know him from cursory reading. Unless humans conquer the space, the earth is flat and sooner or later it is inevitable to hit the liimits.
It was the growing use of fossil fuels that allowed the world economy to grow after Malthus. I wrote about this issue long ago, in a popular post:
https://ourfiniteworld.com/2012/12/12/why-malthus-got-his-forecast-wrong/
Interesting thanks.
People often discount the early-mid 18th century for some savagery age, wrong, while in fact many technical areas were booming already, especially linked to military uses, deeper mines, mechanics, guns and ballistics, anatomy-medical science, etc..
Malthus was an optimist…
Overshooting Carrying Capacity
https://www.paypervids.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Population-limits-consequences-of-exceding-carrying-capaicty.jpg
If a population exceeds the carrying capacity of the environment, the result is a population crash. The sting in the tail is that the bigger the damage caused to the environment, the greater the crash.
but the middle scenario has a rebound…
and the red line is the most extreme and least likely scenario…
meanwhile, world population continues to grow by about 200,000 per day…
the virus will not be able to lower that to zero…
an economic collapse cause by an overreaction to the virus might do the job…
Did you even read the article?
a general summary of theoretical this and that…
the theory sounds reasonable, but it’s only a theory…
this theory cannot guarantee a population crash…
I’ve always liked Malthus and his ideas…
it’s only an opinion that he was an optimist…
perhaps he was…
I still see that blue line, and it still has a rebound… in theory…
Clearly you read it but didn’t understand it…
Where it comes to humans, overshoot is no theory mate, as the example of the people of Easter Island shows.
When the first inhabitants arrived on the island, there was an abundance of resources to support the small population. Over time, their numbers increased dramatically, as there were no predators to cull the population. The population continued to increase until it eventually overshot the carrying capacity of the island.
Post overshoot, most of the population starved to death (horseman #3, famine), at times resorting to cannibalism. Along the way, they also turned on one another (horseman #2, war) in a fight for the territory (horseman #1, conquest). The survivors were picked off by disease (horseman #4, plague), until only a few dozen remained, from a likely peak of ~17,500.
Today, the whole planet is Easter Island.
Another theory … GEEEETA has been in the news lately telling us we MUST change our ways or we will extinct ourselves…
Could it be that GEEEETA is behind this CDT???
LOOK at what I found… Trump is the face of MORE… and there she is with a look of sheer hatred… her reptilian pea-sized brain is thinking ‘DESTROY DESTROY DESTROY’
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/greta-thunberg-speech-trump-glare-fb-png__700.jpg
Greta doesn’t seem to go away.
She has invaded and is now a meme.
Your mind has been colonized!
She is (was) just a kiddy freak (show), travelling circus made by her parents.
Not first in the history by any stretch, little Mozart was at least a genius musician.. and occasionally in adulthood outwardly kind person.
Imagine being in lockdown with Geeeetaaaa and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez …. with Air Supply looping 24/7….
And you would be imagining H.ell.
i’m sure your wife would be glad to have them take you off her hands.
you could have the daughter you never had with the woman you never married.
Greta clearly needs a father and AOC needs someone to hold her down.
“This summer, Fast Eddy becomes….Apocalyptic Daddy”
Pls stop projecting these visions, somehow I just get filter out The Gretenic_kid on auto, that’s not a problem, but only few sec of the sounds from AOC is like nails on the chalk board it’s unbearable..
If I were forced to lockdown with those two — I’d soon be on my own… and my dog would be nice and fat 🙂
Police App Encourages People To Report Neighbors Who Violate Stay At Home Orders (UPDATED)
https://massprivatei.blogspot.com/2020/04/police-app-encourages-people-to-report.html
It is becoming politically incorrect in the extreme – to leave your house.
This means rioting is … out of the question.
now….you understand why they have reefer trucks waiting out back to handle the dead bodies. it’s not for people who die from covid…it is for people who become a threat to public health.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/03/31/00/26566590-8169681-A_total_of_12_trucks_were_seen_outside_NYU_Langone_in_Manhattan_-a-3_1585609675753.jpg
I looked up “reefer trucks.” This was one part of what I found:
Many products require refrigeration before final delivery, with reefer trucks today hauling computers, medical supplies, plasma, blood and photography supplies.
Or maybe they are for the bodies when the military shoot dead anyone who dares to break the quarantine…
Picked up from an anonymous commenter somewhere:
“Speaking of hysterics, how about the forces that create them? Have you seen the photos of the supposed NY dead being loaded into freezer trucks on the hospital front sidewalk?? And are you aware that almost five hundred people die each day in NY and that there are fifty refrigerator trucks NY has to remove bodies as a matter of course? And are you aware that they NEVER park out front and haul ANY bodies through the lobby to the street?
Because ALL of the hospitals have LOADING DOCKS for this purpose. Are we to believe this story that this is how they handle highly infectious dead, by taking them through the interior of the hospital, through the lobby and out the front door? I think this MSM story is highly suspect and should be viewed with many grains of salt.”
It is rather hard to believe that refrigerated trucks would be parked out front of a hospital and the bodies would be rolled through the lobby and onto the curb then dumped in the back.
Well not that hard to believe if you suspect the agenda is one of creating fear… so that people buy into a lockdown… and don’t even whimper when the armed guards appear on the street (Spain???) enforcing the lockdown….
In fact they will blow kisses to the guards and would offer them flowers if they could… because the guards are saving them from The Virus.
And when the pizza delivery stops … because things have gone a little squirrely… and Trump says – don’t worry – the pizza man will be back shortly… they will sit patiently… waiting… and waiting … they will gnaw on their leather shoes… skin and fry up the cat… and wait some more…
And then they will be so weak that they won’t even be able to blow kisses to the guards…. and then they will expire… dreaming of Pizza Hut…..
In total, the CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died. That’s fairly on par with a typical season, and well below the CDC’s 2017-2018 estimates of 48.8 million illnesses, 959,000 hospitalizations and 79,400 deaths. https://time.com/5610878/2018-2019-flu-season/
Nearly ONE MILLION Americans were hospitalized with serious flu over a few months period 17/18….
Does anyone recall queues at hospitals … did the US shut down?…. Did anyone panic?
Any of the American contingent on OFW recall?
Here in the US I have never known anyone to die of flu. My guess it is the usual suspects, old folks with multiple mobility issues, obese, bad hearts, who knows how many symptoms.
Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2017–2018 influenza season
See the chart breaking down the numbers: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm
Yes most are 65+ (to be expected)…. but loads of young people are hospitalized… and die….
Good thing you only guessed because if you had bet me a million dollars I’d be including my account number here 🙂
I have had friends that have had it and it is very harsh and they did have problems breathing and one of them had to be admitted. I wonder you have so much doubt about this being real then why are you taking all the precautions when you go out? I remember reading your comments a while back… Why don’t you just get it and get it over with?
Here’s the thing.
I am not stu p id. I have an IQ of 500+ … on a bad day. On a good day it hovers around 700.
The vast majority of people in the world — and on OFW…. are i m be ciles… they think they are so smart… but they can never be sma rt. Because if you are unwilling to change your position … then you will be forever … a mo re ON.
You are fated to forever wallow in a swamp of dia.rrhea, stale urnine, and vomit.
When my understanding of the facts CHANGE – or the facts themselves CHANGE.
I will CHANGE my position. I will not lash out like a petulant 7 year old and dig my hole of ignorance deeper…
When I watched the video of empty hospitals — which contradict the MSM narrative — that created cracks… and rather than ignore them… I started to research things ….
I already knew the 2018/18 numbers …. but I was told this flu was different because it could be spread by people without symptoms…. lo and fokkking behold I found that ALL flu can be spread before you have even the slightest sniffle…
I caught Mr Fauci and the other lying Mutherfuckkkkkers in a massive lie.
I also began to think about why all those reefer trucks were parked at the hospitals — and when I looked at the 2017 numbers I thought hang the foook on …. 700k went into the hospitals during that period — and there were no reefer trucks… the economy did not shut— but 5000+ and we are destroying the world!
I then worked on those Spain numbers…. and they too were no big deal…. not even in the same universe on a per capita basis as 2017 USA….
And then I moved to the lockdown…. it won’t work… it’s like trying to herd cats… you cannot stop the flu… I don’t give a damn what you do … it is IMPOSSIBLE. If there is a single case anywhere on the planet and you unlock…. you get a second wave…
As we can see every day in lock down brings us closer to Armageddon.
So why lock down?
Plenty of countries are NOT locking down because they don’t have the means to enforce it — or they know that people must work to make their 2 bucks per day or they starve. Ya lots of people are getting sick… but Armageddon? Nope. Funny how the MSM is not covering those countries.
The US did not lockdown in 17/18…. 42M+ had that virus…. no Armageddon there.
That is why Fast Eddy is a F5554cking GOD. That is why thousands come here to hang on His every utterance.
Get over it and get on board the Fast Eddy Train.
Anyone still believe man has been to the moon? I suspect there will be strong correlation with those who believe we have been to the moon and who also believe this Wuhan Virus BS… probably also bought the WMD lie… come on … admit it.
And btw – FE reserves the right to change His mind again on all issues — IF the facts dictate that He should
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When someone dies from the flu people believe they died from something else.
When someone dies from something else it is believed they died from corona.
BS, DJ, BS, the influenza virus and other “normal” microbes have been around since 15’th century and mankind still does not have “herd immunity” for all its different strains.
Having the influenza ripping through the populace is nothing else than a public health fiasco. This normalization of a regularly occurring pandemic is horrid.
It is time to stomp out these pathogens once and for all. Yes, what we need is going low-tech to starve out these pathogens.
1. Personal air filtration N95-N99 masks for the populace
2. Public air filtration systems with HEPA filters
3. Anti microbial coatings on common surfaces, PVP-I on humans
You can disagree with me, but then you’d be wrong.
https://pics.me.me/sickness-be-gone-mematic-net-45663886.png
FE, back in 1968 (10 yrs old) I attended my grandmother’s funeral when she died of the Hong Kong flu. I recall all of the Sports leagues in the US were in business. There wasn’t any panic buying or shutting down businesses. Restaurants were open. This is all new wrt Covid 19.
I had a discussion today with a close friend and I told him there are really only 2 choices:
1) You let the pandemic loose and let it burn itself out.
2) You lock the entire planet down for 2-3 months and resume after that.
We are in a damned if you do, damned if you don’t because we are heading towards the Greatest Depression the likes which will make 1929 seem like good times. We have too many humans fighting for low wage jobs and globalization while automation looks to also compete for their jobs.
In 2-3 months we could be looking at around 30-50% unemployment in the US if this continues to play out and businesses will not be coming back.
I’ve switched camps…. we should treat this like the 2017/18 flu — that infected 42M Americans and hospitalized nearly 700k.
Tell people to wash their hands – if they are sick stay home/wear a mask so they don’t spit on everyone. Rest. Drink plenty of fluids.
The 2017 ful did not result in 30% unemployment… it did not shut the country down.
It did not overwhelm hospitals.
There is an agenda here — Controlled Demolition Theory (CDT).
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I feel exactly the same way.
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That makes at least three of us.
It’s a shame Norman’s not on board yet, but if we call him a few silly names I reckon we can make him see reason.
An agenda here is where the relevant facts are pointing. It’s merely a a question of sorting out the relevant facts from the irrelevant ones.
Once Norm gets over the pain of the fact that there was no man on the moon (it was every kids dream of his generation to be an astronaut so this surely is a difficult time for Norm)…. he’ll get on board with the rest of the reality that we expose
Wouldn’t central banks be striving to reduce the debt on their balance sheets, rather than going completely loopy the other way, it this was true?
It does not make sense why would the FED be working so hard to plug every hole if this was an “agenda”. The real question you need to be asking is can the FED monotize all this debt and make it go away and bring on recovery. If they can then everyone here has been wasting their precious time and that would be very sad too.
I think it’s unlikely, as they will need to be constantly printing trillions of dollars every month the economy is sitting idle because of CV-19, plus deal with the imploding debt bubble too, now that it has burst.
Ultimately, physical reality, like good old peak oil, will overwhelm them, even if the system manages to limp on for a few more years. No amount of make believe money will fill up the black hole of debt, even for a short time, once we truly start experiencing the energy sunset.
I don’t think the CBs care at all about the debt — because they were already facing armageddon….and worrying about debt assumes there is a future.
There is no future. We are done. The Central Banks know it.
But they will go through the motions of throwing the kitchen sink at this — because it is moot (dead is dead) — because they need to maintain credibility.
If they just watch this implode the masses may get angry — and angry masses (who don’t get their MMT checks… ) riot….
If the goal is to get people to lie down like beaten dogs — instead of ripping each other’s faces off in frenzy….. you do whatever it takes… bare minimum is you try to make sure they are fed… (I understand that the Philippines is sending rice to people… )
Debt Based Youthinasia.
I can’t say that I have a problem with this…. and I am sure the Doomie Preppers are welcoming this as it may keep the bad guys away…. unfortunately it won’t keep the radiation away….
My only hope is that the El ders have all bases covered — we are their goyim… their cattle…. surely they won’t let us starve to death when they can no longer feed us….
Please suh…. can I have some … Fentanyl…..
BTW – just got a call … my mate with the cancer died this afternoon… in some respects the timing is enviable… but I am sure he would have liked to live to see how this thing plays out…..
I wouldn’t miss the big show for anything. We get to see what the Agenda is.
Pretty difficult for me to get flattened before it all goes down since I am trapped in my rural prison … and there are no bears or lions here to take me down.
Hmmmm….
https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/04/did-bill-gates-just-reveal-the-reason-behind-the-lock-downs/
So Bill … who already has more money than he could possibly ever spend… wants to corner the vaccine market for this virus … so he can make more money…. he’s a real life Dr Evil?
1. I find it hard to believe that all the big players including corporations that are getting destroyed by his sinister plot — would allow this. It’s not an easy thing to part extremely wealthy powerful people from their money
2. Governments – who have armies – would not allow Bill to do this – he has no army.
3. If this was true Bill would most definitely NOT be dropping ‘bombshells’ into the MSM. How totally ridiculous. If anything, this is aimed at getting people off of the scent of the real agenda
4. The Controlled Demolition Theory makes far more sense than this.
https://i0.wp.com/listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/dr-evil.jpg
The interview with Bill Gates has some interesting things in it. One quote:
Unfortunately, the economic thing is not really reversible! Later, it sounds from the interview that Bill Gates thinks that it will be possible to make a lot of money off of this approach. The write-up interprets what Bill Gates says as follows:
Face masks, air filtration and PVP-I isn’t that sexy since it has been around since the dawn of the century and is proven to work exceptionally well.
It is also cheap and easily made available in copious quantities.
“I’ve switched camps…. we should treat this like the 2017/18 flu — that infected 42M Americans and hospitalized nearly 700k.”
I agree…
even though this virus kills at least 10 times as many people, it will mainly weed out the older and unhealthier, so let it rip…
voluntary social distancing for those who so choose…
I still don’t see many views holding BOTH truths that this virus is way worse than flu, AND the economic shutdown consequences are worse than the virus consequences…
it’s simple…
too bad we’re not in charge, and those politicians are…
and now it’s too late…
“… hospitalized nearly 700k.”
so let’s say over a 100 day span, so perhaps 7,000 per day…
50 US states so perhaps 140 per state per day…
yes, just 140 per state per day!!!!!!!
and that was 2017/18 with NO social distancing…
now let’s look at NYC in 2020…
oh, I see, in the dense hotspots, it’s way worse than 2017/18…
way worse…
but… again…
again…
this virus is way worse than flu AND the economic damage from lockdowns is way worse than the virus…
AND!!!!!!!
Unfortunately the video Tim posted show empty hospitals in NY.
There are 5000+ Wuhan patients in hospital in ALL of America….
No wonder the hospitals are empty…. 700,000 vs 5000. That is the reality because that came directly off of the CDC website.
Yet the MSM is screaming ‘there are huge queues — so many dead we need reefer trucks out back’
Feel free to believe the MSM. Of course the exist to tell you the truth (sarc)
A couple of weeks back, I was thinking this virus is way worse than flu, AND the economic shutdown consequences are worse than the virus consequences. And I still think that a reasonable position.
But when I came across the empty hospitals videos, something seemed seriously amiss. If this virus is way worse than flu, surely the hospitals would be overflowing? Or perhaps they’ve been shut down in order to have to avoid dealing with the overflow? Or is everyone testing positive for Covid-1
…being whisked away to one of them empty FEMA camps?
It blindingly obvious that people staying home won’t injure themselves in auto accidents and other humanoid escapades which causes much more deaths and injuries than the virus itself.
Do you really think that lockdowns only serve one function?
Has OFW become myopia central?
Suicides, killing one’s spouse, and drinking too much alcohol can still go on, however. The longer the lockdown goes on, and the more financial distress, the more problems of this sort arise.
Like a Great White Shark …. I was cruising along (as you know I never stop moving … or posting … or I die)….. then I felt a slight tremor in the water….. what’s this? I lashed my tail and changed direction … heading for the faint quivering ….. I watched that video …. just to see what was going on … and it was then I sensed weakness… weakness is exciting….
And I went on the attack… thrashing and slashing at anything in my way:
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Because their are LIES everywhere we dont know what the correct action might be. THe Harvard paper Gail cited seemed to model the virus waves going on for a very long time with no social distancing. Im still more partial to let it rip. Guess what? No one gives two p95 masks what the comenters here think. It doesnt matter. This is it. BAU is toast.
Try to have compassion. Children come first.
The Harvard paper models do use social distancing. They say that social distancing will be needed 20% to 70% of the time, under some assumptions.
https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/42638988/Social%20distancing%20strategies%20for%20curbing%20the%20COVID-19%20epidemic.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y&mod=article_inline
All of the charts with the virus waves going on and on talk about social distancing being in place for different periods: 2 weeks, 4 weeks, 8 weeks, 12 weeks, and 20 weeks of social distancing at a time.
Reviewing Harry’s daily (and very useful) financial headlines… and one can see where attempting to contain this is going to lead….
Even people I know who don’t really ‘get it’ … who think this virus is the product of Frankenstein getting it on with Geeeta in a dirty back alley in Guangzhou….
I fretting about the decision to try to contain — they understand that it is futile…. (barring ‘a miracle’) and they realize we are on the cusp of a total implosion.
They are suggesting that maybe we should just run with it and see what happens….
I have pointed out that we ran with it in 2017/18… and we got through it…. and they agree.
Lockdown = guaranteed collapse
MSM is pushing lockdown. Anyone trying to challenge that is silenced.
Therefore El der s have an agenda that involves collapse.
They will not change course.
Well, yes CDT, but consolidation for the post ashes period as well.. although it is to be expected lot of those rodeo saddling players won’t make it to the other side in great shape and will be made redundant as well.
False dichotomy.
BAU can resume once these mitigation’s have been implemented.
1. Personal protection using N95-N99 masks
2. Public air filtration using HEPA
3. Antimicrobial coatings on surfaces and diluted PVP-I on humans
Huge cost to society. Removes resources from other uses. Requires international trade, all countries up and running!
We are talking paper filters, yes, HEPA filters is usually made out of paper, and a commodity PVP-I, not some hyper-expensive high-tech “ventilator” medtech jank with abnormal lead times, supporting personnel, drugs and infrastructure.
The cost for society will be a rounding error in the scheme of things.
Trump warns the country to prepare for a lot of death due to COVID-19
Now why would you say this? The MSM is filled with panic-inducing comments like this….
@FE
They are just setting the stage for what is to actually come….economic collapse…..mass starvation…..riots (chimp outs in USA)…..etc.
They want everyone scared to stay inside while they get totally fleeced…..yeah don’t worry about the bailouts for the banks…..heres $1200 now sit in your house…..don’t question anything……
Guess what everyone?…..We solved the COVID-19 problem……there is a vaccine (Created and funded by Mr. Depopulation himself…..Bill Gates……)…..you have to take this vaccine or else you can not interact with others……o yeah let us remind you we have to give you a “MARK” on your right hand or forehead that lets everyone know you got the vaccine.
See where this is going people…….wake up
That is another outcome — that would not surprise me.
We will soon get to test these hypotheses … so that makes it really interesting
And in that setting the PTB would not even need to deal with the anti-vax folk, since the vaccinated citizens (maybe self-styled as the Pure or the Healthy) would have free hand to slaughter the Impure, the Poisonous, as “traitors of the human species”.
True, we suddenly became as characters in a 70’s dystopian sci-fi movie (but alas with no Charlton Heston to save us in the last reel).
Soylent Green are PEOPLE !
And the APES are taking over!
And the banning of all forms of paper money because we will be told they spread the virus. Now with a cashless society you can order the Plebs for forced vaccinations or whatever the El. Ders want. If not they won’t be able to buy or sell anything until they submit to their will.
George Orwell didn’t even go this far.
Does anyone else feel like you are an extra in a sci-fi movie?
I’m just seeing an underlying agenda to the fear and hysteria that has been carefully crafted and created by both politicians and the media. The response to the actual numbers doesn’t justify shutting down the global eCONomy.
As the saying goes: “Something smells rotten in Denmark”
“… carefully crafted and created…”
carefully… my foot…
media are just reacting to the politicians of the world…
who are bumbling forward with no plan, just making it up as they go…
because they don’t know what to do…
so “save as many lives as possible” sounds the best to them…
but I AGREE…
it doesn’t justify economic shutdown…
so politicians are giving us a lose/lose scenario:
economic devastation AND very high deaths, since this first wave can’t be stopped and future waves are coming soon…
“carefully… my foot…”
The MSM continues to hammer “cases and deaths” over and over again. Now they’ve on to how it kills the young without any health problems. So now a healthy 18-22 yr old is thinking, holy crap I could be next. That ramps up the fear level, the British press is doing a good job of that, IMO.
What the data is really showing is a good portion of those that do catch the virus, suffer mild to moderate symptoms and fully recover without hospitalization. And those that do die, unfortunately are in a certain age group, i.e. older 70+ with preexisting health conditions.
Now that would be helpful if it was presented that way so people can at least get the idea that a certain age group are more at risk and those with preexisting health problems are already more at risk, but they don’t. They keep hammering away with “new cases and deaths” as if we are dealing with the Black Plague II. There have been several NBA players who have fully recovered from the virus without a hospital visit.
That message would be helpful and reassuring and that is the point I was trying to make.
Don Draper — ok team …. people don’t seem to give a foook about this flu because they believe it only kills the old diseased worthless people. They are not afraid. We are failing!!! The orders from the El Ders were to ‘sow fear and panic far and wide’….. Heads are going to roll unless we get these people buying into the lock down … we want them under their beds with 12 gauge shotguns and ready to shoot their neighbours if they dare to come near.
I know I know!!! Let’s focus all of our MSM on only cases involving….YOUNG FIT people…. whenever a pro athlete gets the Wuhan we highlight that. And if a celebrity or politician who looks reasonably fit we splash the home page with that.
Don Draper – great ideas — let’s action that asap. Get the message to the donkeys….
All flu viruses kill a range of people – including children. But nobody will think to look into that.
And you can bet your godd-amn last dollar the MSM won’t.
You can also bet that nobody in the MSM is going to ask Mr Fauci — hey Mr F… we had 700,000 people hospitalized over a few months in 2017/18 (and 60,000+ deaths)— why didn’t you declare a state of emergency then? Why didn’t you look down entire states then?
Not gonna happen.
When the MSM goes on a 24/7 news cycle dedicated to a single topic…. the antennae need to go up….
http://www.wildlifeinsight.com/wp-content/gallery/gb_truebugs/coreus_marginatus_antennae_8993.jpg
Yes, only I’m an alien.
And my first thought having landed in this mess is: ‘I’m out of here!’
I call BS, anti microbial coating on the paper and coins would solve that in a hurry. Or simply just go with coins.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_properties_of_copper
“Copper and its alloys (brasses, bronzes, cupronickel, copper-nickel-zinc, and others) are natural antimicrobial materials. Ancient civilizations exploited the antimicrobial properties of copper long before the concept of microbes became understood in the nineteenth century.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_surface
“Quaternary ammonium ion-containing polymers (PQA) have been proven to effectively kill cells and spores through their interactions with cell membranes.[26] A wealth of nitrogenous monomers can be quaternized to be biologically active.”
ANTIMICROBIAL COIN FOR THE PEOPLE
If the enemy goes gene splicing viral high tech, it is time to get medieval on their asses.
https://pics.me.me/im-gonna-get-medieval-on-your-ass-poor-andy-mccabe-31649983.png
“o yeah let us remind you we have to give you a “MARK” on your right hand or forehead that lets everyone know you got the vaccine.”
You’re not too far off the mark there:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-antibodies.html
“That glimmer of hope has turned the conversation to the daunting challenge of when and how to reopen without setting off another cataclysmic wave of contagion. To do so, Italian health officials and some politicians have focused on an idea that might once have been relegated to the realm of dystopian novels and science fiction films.
Having the right antibodies to the virus in one’s blood — a potential marker of immunity — may soon determine who gets to work and who does not, who is locked down and who is free.”
The gene for the spike protein in SARS-CoV-2 has an insertion of 12 genetic letters: ccucggcgggca. This mutation may help the spikes bind tightly to human cells — a crucial step in its evolution from a virus that infected bats and other species.
A number of scientific teams are now designing vaccines that could prevent the spikes from attaching to human cells.
Hint:
Way beyond human engineering.
ORF8
The gene for this accessory protein is dramatically different in SARS-CoV-2 than in other coronaviruses. Researchers are debating what it does.
simple
if there aren’t 000s of deaths, he can say he saved the nation
if there are, he can say—well i did try to warn you (and blame it on Obama probably)
Nope, instead that’s exactly what happened in these labs, they cut and paste the more aggressive spike proteins part onto the common virus “body”. It’s all in the public access medical literature of the mid late 2010s (and mused about even in 2000s papers), read that Gail’s link / video few pages back.
Yep, its most likely a lab product. Cut and paste protein and gene splicing in some shoddy PRC “lab”.
He is trying to pretend he is a “war time” president and that the masses will run to him…I don’t think there is much thought process that goes on in his brain. Don’t get me wrong I don’t dislike Trump its just that I have never met a trustfunder that was worth a sh;; . You need life experiences to become a man.
Random Thoughts on PR:
When Wuhan hit people pointed to the 2018 flu in the US — 650k people were hospitalized.
> Don Draper Responds – this is not the same — you can pass it when you are asymptomatic — death rate is higher — this is an end of the world flu.
Initial reporting indicated that almost all serious cases and deaths involved old people – same goes for normal flu – although some younger, fit people do get seriously ill and some do die of it.
> Don Draper Responds – trots out as many cases as possible involving younger people — and features them on the MSM — see — this is not a normal flu — even YOUNG people can get seriously ill (and even die!)
Because people trust the MSM … it is so easy for Don to run humans around by the nose like a herd of cattle.
I am sure Don and his team laugh out loud when he and his team invent these responses.
https://www.memeatlas.com/images/misc/don-draper-drunk-laughing.jpg
https://www.dailywire.com/news/doctors-rate-hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment
‘Doctors Rate Hydroxychloroquine ‘Most Effective’ Coronavirus Treatment’
“An international poll of more than 6,000 doctors finds that the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine has been deemed the most highly rated treatment for the novel coronavirus.”
so then that is sort of anecdotal evidence…
but I would want it… most medical people seem positive about it…
I hope we get the same or better results with ivermectin and remdesivir…
“The poll finds that 37% of those treating patients suffering from the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 rated hydroxychloroquine as the “most effective therapy” out of a list of 15 choices.
Azithromycin, known by the brand name Zithromax or Z-Pak, came in as the second-most effective therapy at 32%, followed by “nothing.””
gee, only 37%?
I’ve read that HCQ needs to be given with Z-Pak for best results…
and…
aren’t these drugs being used in NYC? if so, then they aren’t working very well?
or they are being administered too late?
perhaps by the time a patient needs a ventilator, the drugs can’t help much?
The killer virus can’t even produce a running nose anymore.
Lockdown in China due to asymptomatic Covid-19 patients.
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375
“COVID-19 : Four Fifths of Infections Are Asymptomatic”
I call “asymptomatic” BS. The virus is airborne. A lockdown is a death warrant in residences with recirculating air in the ventilation.
They are most likely sampling on people who have been exposed but not (yet) become incubated or is immune.
Anyone trying to analyze China data is a fool and just showing their incompetence. They lie! Enough said….
I told the actuarial group I am in that is analyzing coronavirus data something similar, but in nicer words.
Oh sorry. This social distancing is making me socially awkward. I will tone it down a bit.
It just occurred to me (because I have a 500+ IQ) to test the statement that Wuhan is more dangerous than other forms of flu — because you can pass it without showing symptoms:
Look what I found:
When Flu Spreads
Symptoms can begin about 2 days (but can range from 1 to 4 days) after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htm
It was hiding in plain site…. you just have to look.
Wrong. Wuhan is considered more dangerous because it can wreck your lungs and they stay compromised – not because it starts off asymptomatic. Most diseases are asymptomatic until they pass a certain threshold.
‘in plain site’ – do you mean eyesight or website? 🙁
Conclusion: you have a very low IQ and must try harder.
Summary: A protein in influenza virus that helps it multiply also damages lung epithelial cells, causing fluid buildup in the lungs, according to new research. …
In severe cases of flu, fluid accumulates in the lungs, making it difficult to breathe and preventing oxygen from reaching the blood stream. Jul 20, 2009
How Flu Damages Lung Tissue — ScienceDaily
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090717150302.htm
This is what happens when someone with an IQ of a hot summer da’s temperature (in Celcius) attacks someone with an IQ of 500.
https://sandrawickham.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/muhammad-ali-knock-out-hd-boxing-wallpaper.jpg
FE wrote: ‘In severe cases of flu, fluid accumulates in the lungs, making it difficult to breathe and preventing oxygen from reaching the bloodstream. ‘
So now you’ve backed off your ‘flu is not asymptomatic’ claim. Silly girl. 🙁
There seems to be a bit of confusion, so I’ll try to put this in words even my Labrador can understand.
Sit, boy, sit! Good boy!
Influenza viruses are viruses. They come in several varieties.
Influenza is a disease, with a number of characteristic symptoms.
The viruses and the disease are often referred to by the same name, but don’t let that fool you. It’s possible to test positive for the presence of influenza viruses while not exhibiting any symptoms of the disease. And its possible to exhibit symptoms of influenza while testing negative for the presence of influenza viruses.
The biggest most basic single comprehension mistake most people are making re coronavirus and the illness it is supposed to cause is that they are thinking in terms of one germ causing one illness.
This simply isn’t the case. The malady that it sickening and killing people is pneumonia.
According to the Mayo Clinic, where no doubt they treat every ailment with mayo:
Pneumonia is an infection that inflames the air sacs in one or both lungs. The air sacs may fill with fluid or pus (purulent material), causing cough with phlegm or pus, fever, chills, and difficulty breathing. A variety of organisms, including bacteria, viruses and fungi, can cause pneumonia.
Pneumonia can range in seriousness from mild to life-threatening. It is most serious for infants and young children, people older than age 65, and people with health problems or weakened immune systems.
The Mayo doesn’t mention this, but air pollution, smoking, underlying conditions such as tuberculosis, and possibly non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation can all contribute to pneumonia.
Just because lots of people are falling ill with pneumonia in many places around the world, it doesn’t follow that it was all caused by one germ.
Got it?
Another way you can tell that we are being played is:
They tell us that Woohan damages the lungs…. they KNOW that all bad cases of the flu can damage the lungs….
They tell us that Woohan is dangerous because it can be passed on when you have no symptoms…. they KNOW that with any flu you can pass it on without symptoms.
They KNOW this — because I got this info from the CDC website.
If Tim and I and others know this … or can think to fact check this stuff….. then why is not a single person in the MSM questioning Fauci about this?????
Jeez .. at least with the moon thing …. some reporters asked Elon ‘hey Elon — how can we go to Mars — the radiation outside of Earth will kill the astronauts’ Elon ignored the question.
But at least someone asked it.
What’s the Christine Amanhoo-er get paid? Millions a year? And what about Cooper Anderson — he gets a bucket of cash…
I think CNN or BBC should hire me … Tim what about you … are you up for it?
You want HARDTALK…. you’ll get some hard talk.
Here’s the lead in
https://memeguy.com/photos/images/slow-mo-punch-to-face-13008.gif
And if any of the guests are stuuuuuuupid….. I am all for attempting to beat it out of them …. think of the ratings!
It can be like the gong show…. but instead of a gong… I’ll pretend to listen attentively … as the guest spews diarrhea …. nodding my head every so often….. then I will say … wow that’s an amazing story …. let’s pick this up after the ….. CLONG!!!!
Tim caves the foooools head in with a shovel…. the audience (live) cheers (loudly) …. I get up —and say ‘ ARE YOU ENTERTAINED!!!’…. the audience says NOOOOoooo.. we WANT MORE FAST EDDY….
I pick the guest off the floor (he’s clearly dead) …. put him over my head… and say DO YOU WANT MORE???
YES FAST!!!!!
And I heave the dead body into the 5th row of the audience and the go into a feeding frenzy ripping off his arms and legs…. biting off his head…. then feeding the bits to the shows mascot
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8ZgD4-DVKFk/maxresdefault.jpg
Now are YOU ENTERTAINED!!!
YeeesSSSSSS! WE are Entertained.
And then Tim introduces our next guest ……
I am wondering … are the Woohan death numbers a combo of Woohan and other flu deaths?
This web site just references total deaths… and causes them flu-related:
Governor Andrew M. Cuomo today announced the total number of flu cases in New York State has eclipsed the record number of seasonal cases since the New York State Department of Health began tracking flu cases during the 1998-99 season. The latest influenza surveillance report for the week ending February 22 shows 131,604 laboratory-confirmed cases so far this season. Previously, the most lab-confirmed influenza cases reported during a single flu season was 128,892 in 2017-18. While this year’s flu season has reached historic levels, last week, the number of laboratory-confirmed flu cases decreased 26 percent and hospitalizations decreased 13 percent.
“While I am encouraged to see yet another decrease in the number of flu cases across the state, this year’s flu season has been grueling and New Yorkers must remain vigilant against the spread of the virus,” Governor Cuomo said. “If you haven’t already been vaccinated it’s not too late. I urge you to get a vaccine and to please stay home if you are sick to avoid spreading the illness.”
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-record-breaking-total-number-flu-cases-new-york-even-number-flu-cases
Funny….that?
yes, got it!
so this virus causes 10 times the amount of death from pneumonia as the average flu…
thanks!
“With oil demand in freefall, traders are resorting like never before to using the world’s fleet of supertankers as temporary floating storage facilities, filling them with millions of unsold barrels until better times.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-04/the-most-profitable-trade-oil-all-over-the-oceans-right-now
“I believe we are in the midst of an existential crisis for the oil industry as we know it. This will not be the same industry after this dark period ends.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Demand-Destruction-Will-Decimate-Oil-Prices.amp.html
“US and Canadian officials are discussing the imposition of tariffs on Saudi Arabian and Russian oil imports if the two members of the Opec+ group do not quickly reach a deal to end their price war.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/5f4704e9-0942-4707-97c0-eba79f4fcbb8
Thanks. That would be interesting escalation (or subjugation) if going down that path..
Eastern Canada gets most its oil from Saudi. Not going to happen.
Yes, but they can go good/bad cop again..
So, Canada slaps cultural-exchange soft target type of tariff on Russia, while the US bans selected oversees bank accounts in the energy sector.
I’d wondered why the share price of a well known tanker company had risen recently. There’s the explanation.
I can believe this! It happened before.
https://imgur.com/UwPeAKr
Something tells me that’s not a current photo of the ship storing off Singapore.
are we not entertained?
ladies and gentlemen, for your reading pleasure…
since Flat Earther has referred to Wikipedia as a source of truth on the internet…
when he referred to them about the ISS…
I present to you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing
ta da!!!!!!!
In case this link was not mean as sarcasm – I’d gladly recommend you to also consult your personal finance/investment strategies with the editorial board (gatekeeping) of Wikipedia, hah. You can also write to CNN, MSNBC, .. , how you enjoyed their stellar coverage of WMDs in ME or any other myriad of (temporary) feel good truths of the day out there.
This is what I don’t get. People have been lied to continuously by the MSM and Governments and Corporations since time immemorial and they know full well they’ve been lied to because the “official” stories often change by 180% within a short period and no contrition or even acknowledgment of the inconsistency is forthcoming.
Orwell and Solzhenitsyn, among others, pointed out this almost universal characteristic.
And yet most people I speak to are happy to ignore the serial lying and regard the serial liars as credible sources of information. I think this is an example of Stockholm Syndrome on a really humongous scale.
yes, you don’t get it…
I’m American… it took me many years to get over my uneducated naivety about the greatness of the USA…
we don’t have to recount all the evvil which came from here…
that being said, I see no reason to doubt the scientific accounts of the Soviet unmanned mooon missions, the USA unmanned missions, AND the very FEW that were manned… and the recent China and India and Israel unmanned missions…
I see this as coming from the science community, not the msm…
also, part of this is just anti-American syndrome… who could believe that such lyying lyiars really went there, and didn’t make up lyying lyies about the 6 (SIX!) missions…
yes, you don’t get it…
Please explain:
SpaceX CEO Elon Musk has now given four presentations about his company’s Starship rocket, but all of those updates mostly focused on the vehicle’s external stats. Musk has barely touched on the technologies needed to keep people alive and healthy while on Starship — technologies that need to be developed relatively soon if the spacecraft has any hope of carrying people to deep-space destinations like the Moon and Mars in the near future. https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/4/20895056/elon-musk-starship-spacex-human-health-life-support-radiation
“Beyond Low Earth Orbit, space radiation may place astronauts at significant risk for radiation sickness, and increased lifetime risk for cancer, central nervous system effects, and degenerative diseases,” NASA writes on its website. “Research studies of exposure in various doses and strengths of radiation provide strong evidence that cancer and degenerative diseases are to be expected from exposures to galactic cosmic rays (GCR) or solar particle events (SPE).”
https://www.inverse.com/article/42407-elon-musk-space-radiation-worse-than-we-thought
https://youtu.be/B3qClCOQyQk
Now this is priceless….
I showed the video of the empty hospitals to a mate.
He was dismissive of ‘anyone with a phone and a camera’
So I pointed him to the MSM version — the CBS video claiming to show a US ICU when it was from Italy.
He said come on mate – the MSM does that all the time.
I was not aware that they did that all the time …. I thought they only did that when the were lying (well technically that’s most of the time … )
If logic were applied then maybe… just maybe…. he might prefer to rely on citizen journalists who published videos of many empty hospitals … instead of the MSM….
Nope. Those non MSM videos are rubbish….
Then I said — remember how over many beers in the run up to the Iraq War and after… we bitched and complained about how the MSM was supporting the WMD lie….
Oh ya… but that was different.
Don Draper has the easiest job in the world. He can get caught over and over and over again yet nobody remembers the last time. He gets unlimited lives!
If only I could pull that with M Fast…. I’d have floozies all over the place…. she’d get a bit peeved… I’d promise not to do it again … we’d make up (like maybe a day or two later)…..and we’d just rinse and repeat that endlessly!!!!
Tim, I’m afraid this trait is somehow closely related to slow but steady “domestication” of humankind throughout the civ development, in the sense that most of the genome allowed to replicate into the future comes from over(docile) population. The mavericks were often killed in action at the front of events, and eventually weasels got near top of the pyramid, just bellow the perennial owner “elders” aka regional sect of bankers doing their usury for past ~4-5k yrs. How can German(ic), Slav, Asian or Arab compete with that long term lineage.. although sometimes they are allowed to join the poker table in some junior position with few small chips as well.
He can’t, he lacks those pre-accumulated millenia of scamming or urban survival hardwired relative advantage experience if you prefer, which the others lack. It’s just logical conclusion one could arrive at, I’m not fetishizing daily over who belongs to which class in this sense.. perhaps this is only partial forcing in the greater scheme of things as of now, but notable nevertheless.
In time of travel restriction, please take comfort in this song. Happy Easter Sunday tomorrow, Gail!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lPSvZdJwAj0
Easter is not tomorrow
Hi! Sorry, i ment Palm Sunday! But terrific song anyway IMO.
Thanks! Very nice.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/lnIoWlp.jpg[/img]
Oops.
https://imgur.com/lnIoWlp
I think a little levity is needed here on OFW…..this is ABSOLUTELY laugh-out-loud HILARIOUS:
Dr. Fauci Calls Jimmy Dore & Hell Breaks Loose!
That’s disgraceful, ITEOTWAWKI. You are the worst traitor. I only hope the real Dr Fauci sues. [/sarc]
Whaaaaaaaaaaaat?? That’s not the actual Dr. Fauci….
And here I thought Dr. Fauci was enjoying Whitecastle’s and sambuca!!! 😉
Well I hope the s moking w eed recommendation still holds, cuz I ain’t about to stop blazing in these end of days 😉
Glad you posted it. I was in tears yesterday when I saw it. 😀
Funny, funny stuff Mark….gotta be able to laugh at this whole c lusterfuck!!!
The last American revolutionary (formerly B-roll stand up comedian) able to see and comment vividly through escapades of duopoly totalitarian regime is sitting in his home makeshift-garage yt channel studio in Calif. While dancing cats and other fluff gets 100x more views. Again that means instacollapse (or revolt) is not there yet..
With the discovery of cat to cat transmission I suggested to Margaret we put a mask on the cat when it goes out. Margaret says, no need, the cat practices social distancing.
True enough. Dogs look up to you but cats look down on you.
Cats are people; dogs are vermin.
‘dogs are vermin.’
Dogs accept they are property and don’t run away, but cats are anarchists. ‘The Black Panthers’ – left-wing. While that Austro-German dictator had an alsatian dog. But the Maoists complained of ‘capitalist running-dogs’. 😉
cats and dogs are people…
cats are introverts and dogs are extroverts…
My dog tried to look up to me, but after numerous disappointments on his part we’ve settled for the fiction of equality.
I am less noble, graceful and intelligent, can’t find a pheasant or rabbit in a field to save my life, but ,more or less, am just as hairy.
And in these isolated lock-down days, possibly as smelly.
Everybody and their cousin are finding drugs
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-ivermectin-antiparasitic-drug-kills-covid19-in-lab/news-story/615c435e56aefc4b704f4fd890bd4c2c
Cocaine and whisky not effective though right? How about cocaine whisky and dewormer? 🙂
FE want to make sure you see this reference
https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/01/31/logistical-and-technical-analysis-of-the-origins-of-the-wuhan-coronavirus-2019-ncov/
Would love your comment on the US government funding CV research at Wuhan BSL4 lab.
This article is very good. I recommend reading it. I was surprised it was written January 31. It makes a strong case that the virus causing COVID-19 was engineered. His view is that the virus was intended for use in making vaccines, and escaped accidentally.
This is absolutely hilarious.
For those who don’t speak French, basically what the news clip says is that in the fictional town of Groland, they have taken the Chinese method of using drones to tell people to go home, but in this case the drone tells people on the streets to pull down their pants for an a n a l thermometer check….in the end though, the cop says that he had not been informed of the fact that the thermometer used has to be disinfected every time…thus making the spread of Covid-19 in Groland actually worse…hahahahaha funny stuff!!!
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-ivermectin-antiparasitic-drug-kills-covid19-in-lab/news-story/615c435e56aefc4b704f4fd890bd4c2c. I used for dogs
It is inexpensive and used for many purposes.
The Earth is a generation ship, that is going nowhere.
For the hoax to work, a number of other countries tracking the moon missions–including the USSR–would have had to cooperate, and not spill the beans. Tens of thousands of people all over the world would have to keep quiet, or lie.
And if the moon landings were fake, do satellites exist? Is GPS real? What about unmanned craft sent to the moon, Mars, etc.? What about those laser ranging retro-reflectors on the moon, which can be zapped from earth–do they exist?
I think the word h-o-a-x is moderated. (Earlier I got into trouble for c-on-s-p-i-r-a-c-y.)
shhhhhhh
words like that will put the h—-xxxxxers out of business
They are cooperating on the Wuhan Flu lie.
They are cooperating on renewable energy (even though everyone knows that is a boondoggle)
They are cooperating on electric vehicles — how many countries have announced a phase out of ICE vehicle when that is clearly not possible nor is it desirable.
End of the day everyone benefits from faking the moon landing … it is a key pillar of the techno fantasy that keeps humans thinking positively about the future.
This fantasy continues to this say with the likes of Bezos, Branson and Musk telling us that as we demolish the earth — we have the option of moving to Mars.
What UTTER bull sh-it that is. Yet the MSM pumps this garbage out day after day … year after year….
i tried to inject a little counteracting humour into the fake moon landing nonsense
i use the same technique on doorstepping jesusfreaks—I usually find it works better than obscene ranting. (for me at least, because I use it as a form of brain stretching, where I can enclose obvious foolishness in a bigger envelope of foolishness, and by so doing, suffocate the original in a fairly harmless manner.)
resorting to verbal blunt instruments is self demeaning, one’s intellect should be above such things..
But in this case: stop behaving like a clown Eddy, it should be above you too. I sense that in fundamental terms you are not entirely stupid.
It is patently obviously you are using the ‘moon landing’ thing as a form of verbal attention getting. . Why don’t you come up with something relevant to the current problems in hand, rather than revealing a shallowness of thought that in itself shows what lies beneath?
As some previous commenter pointed out, basic laws of physics can point to the sources of radio signals, and tens of thousands of people would have to be in on the gag. (including those who would not wish that the Americans had made the only moon landings in the first place) That bit of logic alone should be enough to destroy the ‘fakery’ thing.
This can’t be refuted, no matter what ‘arguments’ are put forward
Yet the ‘moon-fake’ thing keeps getting regurgitated over and over, as if by some miracle it will be found to be true
As I inferred, it carries no more meaning than a child constantly throwing toys out his pram, because he has the certainty that it will bring his mother back to pick them up in order to repeat the process ad nauseam. (the child’s bawling produces results)
I am also pandering to it in this instance, but only in the vain hope that the child is being exposed for that he is.
It would be more pertinent to analyse why no one has returned there, and why there will never be ‘colonies’ there or anywhere else in that respect.
FE’s “acute boredom attack” perhaps partially motives aside, If that supposed to be “factual” rebuttal on your part, it was not even weak and non substantive, it was actually sad case of pathological denial from someone frequenting this site.
Your logic doesn’t destroy anything, compartmentalization and outsourced contractors were common in place by 1960s mil industries (WWII->cold war) by definition preventing tens of thousands involved to reach overall outlook and talk.
Besides individuals who were part of the dev program and had some node overview position over the various projects were the early critics themselves, incl. the first crew, also that guy B. Casing working for contractor wrote a whole techie book dissecting the entire scam among others.
Sorry, some people are simply hopeless. You have been shown footage how astronots fake the telecast mid flight while in orbit and you still continue mumbling in non sense in denial. Well, the info in many subjects is out there for decades already, so the ball is on your site, not ours.
Last we heard from Norman he was reading Dave’s essays….
That is more than I can say for the rest of the hangers on and wanna be thinkers on OFW.
The lazy ones who can’t be bothered to read Dave’s genius — because for them they’ve already made up their minds… they made them up when they were 6 years old and the teacher wheeled out the classroom TEEVEE and they watched the mo—-on landing. Nope – not interested in anything anyone has to say.
So ya at least Norm is having a look. I’ll give him credit for that. We wait eagerly for Norman to make a grand appearance announcing that Dave is God.
Most of the others on OFW … are the intellectual equivalent of this
http://ronaldrenwick.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/fat-guy-on-scooter.jpg
before offering me any form of accolade, however muted, it might be as well to read my reply, which was long and detailed and thus still under modification,
by definition, it is human nature to define ‘ genius’ as someone who agrees with you.—I am clever, so he must be clever too.
I can sling words together, but my poetry will only ever reduce people to tears for all the wrong reasons.
Thus my cleverness will not reach the gut wrenching heights of Housman or Dylan Thomas. Their words cause tears to flow at every reading. That is what defines genius. Total rightness.
Jealousy of dead people is permitted.
Hawking had a genius label, yet postulated populating other planets, which puts him at idiot level—a ‘tunnel vision genius’ (my own expression), imagining that somewhere there will be planets able to support human life waiting to welcom our overspill, despite taking 000s of years to get there.
Musk used genius and luck to create paypal, yet now amuses himself blasting off fireworks in the name or ‘progress’—idiot again. He now employs other people who are cleverer than he is, by far. They are happy to spend his money on foolishness that keeps them is jobs.
Mars can never be populated irrespective of the feasibility of spaceflight. So he is reduced to the ranks of idiot
Gates used his genious to create Microsoft…and no, he’s not engaged in deep state mind control daftness, he’s attempting to use his money to do some good. Whether eradicating malaria is good or idiotic remains to be seen. But at least he seems genuine.
The above have documented their cleverness or otherwise. (as examples)
Probably not a good idea to occupy the nearest pedestal in order to pronounce ‘superiorty’ to the great unwashed peasantry.
One of life’s great lessons is that superiority (like respect) can only ever be given, Under no circumstances can it ever be taken or demanded.
If you take the trouble to observe superior beings on pedestals, their most used function is as a temporary resting place for pigeons.
Still—guano is always a useful commodity
We need people with a lot of different talents. People tend to see different aspects of the same situation. I value all of these views, even if some of them have some problems attached–coming on too strong in their expression of these views, for example.
I value your views. You have been writing articles for a long time, so have had to think things through. This takes a particular kind of talent.
Oh Norm… how did you get through to my email with this?
Sorry Norm — I already told you the GM said no go.
Yes I know it sucks being in that sh it h ole of a place again. But it’s too late bud. Yes yes I feel for you I truly do (Fast does a Kevin Spacey — looks at that camera and whisper ‘I actually do not GiveaF…. he had his chance he blew it).
But Norm you gotta stop sending this stuff. It’s just more of the same stuff that put you where you were. When will you learn????
There’s nothing I can do Norm — I am not the GM. And even if I could do you really think I am going to replace someone more deserving on the team with you? This is the Dream Team Norm… it’s merit-based….
Now Norm don’t do that… crying is so … so … feeble and weak…. you know how I feel about Justin… and Jacinda …. do you REALLY want to go there????
Look Norm no promises here…. but if you can read Dave’s entire opus…. and you can do what I did yesterday and pluck the best parts out … paste them on OFW — and demonstrate that you understand and that you agree … I will show this to the GM and see if he will consider giving you another chance…
No no NO Norm. Tantrums are not going to help your cause at all. CalmtF down….
Ok I gotta go … I am busy (actually I want to take a nap and a Xanax cuz dealing with Norm is like managing a 5 year old …. except that you can’t slap Norm when he misbehaves…) …
Yes Norm … bye bye Norm …yup …. ok …. c’ay Norm….. click.
https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.247719651.6587/fc,550×550,charcoal_heather.jpg
and if you care to scroll down to my reply of April 7th on the Kennedy moonscam, it will give you my opinion on it
I think it might have got lost in the flurry of replies on this subject
What is the point of discussing manned moon landings?
Humans can barely survive in the poles of the earth. Imagine going to the goddamn vacuum of space basically totally unshielded from cosmic and solar radiation.
And Mars, freaking Mars of all places, for what? An orgy in technological prowess. It will nonetheless be machines that will explore the planetary system and interstellar space. As a species we are earthly and will so remain.
The irrelevance of the debate is bewildering. Snap out of it.
Yes. But the deeper point is rather interlinked with the overall Surplus/OFW doom narrative, you see.. Usually people locked strongly in denial about the faked landings are worried about it as the (very) last barrier before the natural urge of violent flushing down all the supposed good about the “civ progress” so far. It’s sort of religious (saint virgin) dogma for them.
Um no, I am one of those doomers (prefer the term realist) here, and I don’t subscribe to any of FE’s conspiracy theories, whether A G W, Sandy Hook, fake moon landings, the famous effin elders, etc…
Evidently good for you.
Allow me ask you a trick question then: is there anything like the CBs cartel in the real world observable and if not are the major global banking hubs and CBs such as NY Fed, City in London public or private or mixed type of institutions?
Norman – you are avoiding the facts and trying to get by on verbal diarrhea.
1. Why does this NASA engineer state that we cannot fly beyond low orbit due to radiation. And why is NASA working on a spacecraft that can overcome the dangerous radiation that exists outside of low orbit? Did they lose the manual from the Apollo missions?????
https://youtu.be/B3qClCOQyQk
2. Why does this indicate that we cannot fly beyond low orbit — that we cannot fly to to the moon?
SpaceX CEO Elon Musk has now given four presentations about his company’s Starship rocket, but all of those updates mostly focused on the vehicle’s external stats. Musk has barely touched on the technologies needed to keep people alive and healthy while on Starship — technologies that need to be developed relatively soon if the spacecraft has any hope of carrying people to deep-space destinations like the Moon and Mars in the near future.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/4/20895056/elon-musk-starship-spacex-human-health-life-support-radiation
3. Why does NASA state that the human body will be ruined if we try to fly beyond low orbit? “Beyond Low Earth Orbit, space radiation may place astronauts at significant risk for radiation sickness, and increased lifetime risk for cancer, central nervous system effects, and degenerative diseases,” NASA writes on its website. “Research studies of exposure in various doses and strengths of radiation provide strong evidence that cancer and degenerative diseases are to be expected from exposures to galactic cosmic rays (GCR) or solar particle events (SPE).”
https://www.inverse.com/article/42407-elon-musk-space-radiation-worse-than-we-thought
Did you notice in that video posted by Dr David Groves (you probably didn’t watch it because as usual, your mind is made up … which is a symptom of a very feeble person)….
How when they bring the results to NASA (results that involved findings from some rather serious scientists…) the NASA spokesman dismisses them as ‘pseudo science’ and refused to comment.
That’s you Norman.
Dismissing the facts and digging yourself deeper into your hold of close-mindedness and total ignorance.
Or you can address the facts presented in that video and the 3 questions above.
Of course you can’t. There is no addressing them. NASA is caught in a bald-faced lie.
They have admitted that we cannot fly beyond low orbit.
Give up Norman. You haven’t a leg to stand on.
feeble minded—and not a leg to stand on
what a state to be in
self isolation seems the best option right now—i wouldn’t want my gf to see me in this state
and verbal diahroea as well—missed that part
While you are in self isolation. Enjoy the Kubrick faked F1 powered Apollo spacecraft thundering into orbit.
Crank up the volume for the ultimate in audiovisual fakery.
https://youtu.be/Iwn4LVVvAUQ
In 1970, Sir Patrick Moore interviewed Neil Armstrong about the latter’s experiences and impressions of going to the moon.
Throughout the interview Neil spends a lot of time glancing to the right while answering questions. Is he accessing his memory of actual events? Or is he accessing his memory of statements he’s memorized? Any body language experts want to tackle that one?
Patrick’s final question concerned the possibility of large scale manned lunar bases. Neil answered that he was quite certain we’ll have them “in our lifetime.” Did he get that prediction wrong, or are there secret bases on the moon from which boffins are beaming mind kontrol rays into our brains to force us all to be good and love our slavery?
https://youtu.be/EIPn_iuLPA4
That seems like a form of ‘desperation’ to find ‘flaws’ in Armstrong’s narrative.
As far as ‘permanent moon bases’ are concerned, Armstrong was speaking in his own time of 50 years ago, when we saw the energy consumption purpose of space exploration as perfectly logical. (and energy as an infinite resource).
Nobody pointed out that the basic technology of getting off Earth hadn’t changed in 1000 years.
that ‘logic’ was grounded in the exploration of the earth’s surface over the previous 500 years—so why shouldn’t it just go on into space?
I thought the same way too.
Then as my mind focussed on it, the fundamental difference became clear, (it took time)
(NP Fundamental law alert!!!!) Earth exploration ultimately brought a return on investment greater than the energy-cost of the exploration itself
Space exploration works in the opposite direction, and always brings a deficit on exploration costs. (I don’t include satellite placements in that)
This is why moon bases never appeared. If there had been the potential for commercial return, business would have been established there decades ago, delivering profits to ‘investors’ in exactly the same way Earth exploration did.
As is was, moon explorers brought back souvenirs and photographs. (which is what everybody brings back from a holiday)
But this makes no sense in the ‘Earth terms’ humankind looks on as ‘normal’.
So we look for ‘reasons’ why there has been no ‘return’. And the obvious reason? Simple. The moon landing never happened. Once you accept that bit of ‘nonsense’ as true, everything else makes ‘sense’. Denial of the obvious is easy when you let your mind be bent at crazy angles.
That gives everyone a perfect explanation for all the ‘wasted money’ we spent . All those rockets being shot into the sea certainly cost a lot. Their purpose was all faked, a colossal job creation scheme to make everyone prosperous through the doing of it.
The money would have been better spent on health housing and infrastructure—but that doesn’t get the cheers of idiots watching rockets go up does it? (I was one of them) Instead the wealthiest nation on earth is left with millions of its people in grinding poverty, all in the name of ‘progress’. Hmmmmmm.
In the words of the time: “Whitey’s on the moon”
So we are left with (of those who care) half the people saying we can populate the universe (Hawking et al) and the other half saying it was all a scam.
Then there’s the few lone voices pointing out that the last 300 years has been the supernova of human history, where we blew our FF energy reserves in a single explosion of heat and light, before sinking back into the darkness whence we came.
This maybe sums it all up:
https://medium.com/@End_of_More/mission-to-mars-d57055fa6f34
These zero substance mental gymnastics displayed by Norman and others are appalling for “an adult”..
He has been shown original NASA mission footage how the crew blocks the sunlight in the module while placing little cut out on the window with camera filming fake mid flight little and distant Earth effect with funky out of scale clouds and continents.
He has been shown original NASA contemporary edu vid, how the technologies for beyond orbit flight are in need yet to be invented and engineered because of the radiation, micro meteorites along the path for the craft.. etc
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The only excuse that it’s a human trait after-all, even “brain surgeons” often have bizzare political opinions, tacky interior design tastes, or lie straight face to their mothers and kids daily, and what have you..
It’s 1962, The Oval Office, Scene one. Clapperboard shuts:
JFK: bobby, we gotta think about getting me elected in 64
RFK: Sure Jack, I’ve got it all figured
JFK How?
RFK: We go to the moon
JFK–Idiot–I aint goin to no moon, WW2 was bad enough
RFK: Not us stupid, we just use that NASA thing they set up in 58 and say theyre going to the moon
JFK: And what will that do for me in 64?
RFK: Spending all that money will create lotsa jobs, and make America great again, you’ll get all the credit. First POTUS to put a man on the moon
JFK: I Like it–I like it. Fix it willya?
RFK. Here Jack, I already wrote the speech to say we’re goin, all you have to do is read it out.
JFK: Clever. Sometimes I think youre after my job —-Hey–we go within 10 years? Are you insane?
RFK: Nobody actually goes, we just make it up as we go along. I have a few friends at MGM who owe me some favours.
JFK, Won’t we need rockets n stuff?
RFK—No problem—We can use that Von Braun guy. He’s good with rockets, and He owes us big time. Just say ‘war crimes’ and he’ll do anything for us and not say a word.
JFK. Looks good–so all I have to do is authorise the expense of the rockets and make speeches?
RFK: Pretty much, yes
——–
JFK reads his moon speech. 1962. The moon project starts to roll
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JFK gets shot, 1963, leaving RFK as the only witness to the conspiracy, and chief architect of the moonscam. RFK and Von braun recruit the team and spend the money on rockets, fire off a few from Cape Kennedy, get some orbiters up and so on. All lookin good.
—–
Werner v B: Bobby. Ve can’t hide this moon thing much longer. Ve gotta land there soon
RFK: Stop worrying about it. My friends at MGM have found some old props from some old Mack Sennett silent movies to use as moonscapes. There’s no colour, and no sound, on the moon right?
WvB: (rolling his eyes) Righhhhtttt.
RFK So where’s the problem?
1968 RFK gets shot, so no witnesses left to original scam. An SS veterans plot was never proved, but that left Werner von Braun (ex SS sturmbahnfuhrer) in charge of invading the moon. Destiny, he thinks. Invasion again!!! And he Seig Heil’s the photograph in his bathroom, The Fuh rer looks down approvingly. WvB makes an excited phone call to Brazil. Gets promise of Iron Cross, first class.
So appollo project goes ahead ,because no one ‘knows’ it is supposed to be the real thing. Everybody gets too scared to mention it, because all their salaries depend on a successful ‘moon landing’ WvB is Mr Fixit. He loves rockets, Big Rockets
WvB approves the moonsets at MGM, and sets the whole thing up. MGM are set to make a killing on the movie rights.
WvB complains that the sets are a bit wobbly, but is told they haven’t been used since the 1900s and nobody will notice
After that, the ‘one small step for mankind’ bit was easy.
WvB wanted “Deutschland uber Alles’ played in the background, but the studio orchestra wouldn’t play because the moon has no atmosphere. And even American audiences might get suspicious about that one, especially if they’d planted the Swasti ka (as WvB wanted) on that rigid flag instead of the stars and stripes.
(Iron cross first class never materialises) The swastik a on the moon was to have been the signal for Hit ler to lead an army north through Mexico to invade the USA. (but that’s another story)
The team of scriptwriters were never credited. The studio hands were all given shares in a startup company called Microsoft shortly afterwards. so they were never going to say anything. They all became billionaires.
And started a new ‘mind control’ business with a young man named William Gates.
Von Braun disbanded the SS veterans brigade and died in 1977
There’s more to follow on the history of space exploration of course, but I just wanted to set the record straight about the first moon landing.
In the Kubrick interview he mentions one of those astronauts — forget the name — and says he was always very uncomfortable with living the lie…. I googled that afterwards and indeed one of them turned to booze and preferred to avoid the limelight and discussion …
Will have to watch it again to refresh my memory.
The crew were just pre-sifted bunch by psychiatrist able to cope marginally better with such scam, some of them ended up on corp boards of the mil-industrial complex, some hunkered deep down and did not seek further profits or publicity. I’m personally not that much interested in this angle, although their post mission cringe public debrief is again good evidence of the scam, but if you are interested, Sibrel talks about their personalities based on direct contact with them in the ~3hrs interview ~2014 for Fade to Black Radio, it should be on yt.
Offer me a soft ‘job’ as a director of XYZ corporation that involves going golfing with clients… with a base of 500k + bonuses….
In exchange for pretending to go to the moon… and I am on board.
I’ll even sign a clawback doc that says that if I ever disclose the lie — my family pays back all the money.
yup
always pays to get your facts right
Norm… I am but an amateur… I am a nothing … a feeblist… a pathetic debunker… a lazy debunker… I am not particularly thorough… (I don’t have to be….)
If you want the facts — let me hand over to the True Genius… let’s go to Dave for hours of facts …
How can you not come away from reading this and not feel like a total fo–ol?
http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/
Well, Biff Leppros and Muskowitch both show weird reptilian traits, and the footage of Sir Brainstorm walking out his “retired into millions” poodle on short leash Omama was also very funny episode to watch..
Too bad were never going to get to see it…
From Wikipedia:
“The Stand is described as Stephen King’s apocalyptic vision of a world decimated by plague and embroiled in an elemental struggle between good and evil.”
“No release date has yet been announced, but Entertainment Weekly says that a release sometime in 2020 seems likely.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stand_(upcoming_miniseries)
From the Youtube video below Stephen King says:
“I believe it will take viewers away to a world they hope will never happen”
Famous last words Stephen, famous last words…. lol
We should just have it for real. Remember–the evil side meets in Las Vegas. (Figures)
It already was a mini series. I watched many years ago. 1994
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108941/
In response to FE’s ‘mooning’ us all, I do remember the late astronomer Patrick Moore recalling how he watched Apollo 11 land on the moon through his telescope. And I do believe the Kubrick interview is fake. I agree, though, that a lot doesn’t add up.
Richard D Hall of Rich Planet (google his website) has put up a lot about this, but some of it appears to be contradictory. See this video, for instance:
Then Patrick Moore is a rettaaard-liar, because even the modern Moon mission landing site 2000s flyby sat showed only few pixels of nothing from ~25-50km very close up distance. Was his fine telescope the nextgen stuff from the year 10 000 AD brought here by time machine, so he knows better?
Yes, you are on good path, question everything.
And again the easy clincher (for non technical audience) is that B. Sibrel’s or J. White’s footage found in the archives how they fix up transparencies blocking filling low orbit sun light (and cuts in live feed) on their supposedly half way up there..
Um … A moon landing uses rockets. Rockets emit a very bright and distinctive light. Even an earth based telescope should be able to see that.
Yes, rocket engines and nozzles..
Refer back to basics, there is no footage of rocket nozzle glow from the supposedly lift off phase from Moon landing site etc., simply it did not happen. I grant you (and to P. Moore) the distant *theoretical possibility there could have been perhaps one single visible blast event as they pummeled some sort of dummy impact only vehicle in that general area to cover their as-ses. However, any real mission observation would include several rocket engine blast sequences for the maneuvered descent and the lift off etc.
Again, this is dead end blind alley *anyway, needing super experts on telescope resolution of that time vs tiny blast of relatively small rocket engines far away.
Bottom line remains in this domain, at least two missions (one W and Chinese) looked around the landing sites since then and there is nothing remaining of claimed terrain disturbance and or left over gear on the surface to be found – few blurred pixels are no prove.
I have mixed feelings on whether the entire moon shot was real or not. Perhaps it was partly real and partly fake. For me the lack of believability is the lunar lander takeoff from the moon. Now the problem with settling on the moon is said to be moon dust…up to 3” deep. It gets into and clogs up everything. So the lunar lander just happened to land in the one spot with no moon dust. When it launches there is barely a ripple on the moon surface. Totally….TOTALLY unbelievable. And….my boss is a real rocket engineer….not I but in control theory there is a feedback to account for force, and that means real-time adjustment vector feedback. The lunar lander took off so fast that it was practically instantaneous. So fortunate of them that the rocket thrust was just so perfect and took them up instead of on a u turn to crash into the moon.
On the other hand I worked with a very smart fellow who worked on the design of the lunar lander simulator.
I tend to the partly true theory.
If we can land stuff on Mars then I say it is probable we could land on the moon. The technology we have now is basically the same as back then,
If we can fake a moon landing …. then we could really do a great job of faking a Mars landing given the technology that Hollywood has access to.
I assume you believe this was filmed on Mars?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej3ioOneTy8
I urge you to watch this …
The NASA engineer says they are working on The Orion Project … this is a space capsule that hopefully will be able to deal with the ‘dangerous radiation’ that exists outside of low orbit that fries the computer systems.
Yet we have sent unmanned missions to Mars multiple times….. did someone forget to tell this guy about that????????????????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3qClCOQyQk
Surely we are smarter than dogs???
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-d2L2dMvEzdc/Uk2XPCl8jpI/AAAAAAAAAHE/4T7ab2YoIEM/s1600/logic-and-reasoning-skill-test.jpg
Indeed It was great achievement of that time to get people into Earth’s orbit and to sent unmanned probes into and around Moon (Solar system in general), however they should have spared us these cold war psyop games, it was unnecessary and very silly (on both sides) when looking back. For example the Soviets kept quiet about their moon rocket for decades and their superior Shuttle like analogue system (bamboozled to answer Ronnie’s space ray gun) although of better qualities was deployed in its final ver only once, and it all costed ginormous resources.
My brilliant third cousin three times removed but he always manages to get back in, the physicist Dr. David Groves, analyzed the official photos supposedly shot on the lunar surface and found that additional lighting was used, so unless you are a USA chauvinist, a NASA fanboy, an intelligence agency troll, or a more-on (These categories are not mutually exclusive, by the way), you must conclude the whole thing has “Fake”, “Fraud” and “Scam” written all over it.—like most things the US Government has its dirty paws on, if you think about it.
https://youtu.be/DgKV5oMKlYI
5+ decades of human endeavors to the moon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing
were the unmanned Soviet missions also faked?
Already addressed, multiple times.
Try again.
Unless they have worked out how to survive outside of low orbit then yes…. they are fake as well.
https://youtu.be/DgKV5oMKlYI
If any still believes we have been to the moon after watching the above …. you are beyond hope.
If you call yourself a seeker of truth —- you are a fraud.
I would also argue that you have a very low IQ because if you cannot get the fairly simple physics of that presentation — then you are operating at a fairly low level of intelligence.
Nobody cares about moon landings fake or not.
Back to fake Greta.
“In a town in N Italy they screened blood donors for antibodies against SARS-Cov2. Out of 60 asymptomatic donors 40 tested had antibodies. Herd immunity is already present in Italy.”
So why do a lockdown and destroy the economy?
Because epidemiologists recommended it. Common sense is not considered.
I think because hospital in North Italia are full and if arrive in south Is disaster because they are pooor no hospital no Doctor nothing. And now are back in control. In March situation was out of control. And we have no Mask and no oxigen
Herd immunity are you referring to this article?
https://www.informazione.it/a/61E652CA-F5E8-4E1F-8B82-795B3B38D86C/amp/Castiglione-D-Adda-e-un-caso-di-studio-sul-coronavirus-Avis-Il-70-dei-donatori-e-positivo?__twitter_impression=true
I dont understand Italian but I used Google Chrome auto translate. I seem to find that 40/60 was tested positive and were asymptomatic. I cannot find anything about antibodies. Maybe it is the translation problem.
Very good comments in the article in Wolf Street on supply chain. There is a commenter (MC01) who often contribute articles in Wolfstreet commented on the supply chain issue in Italy. He is in northern Italy.
https://wolfstreet.com/2020/04/03/truckers-brace-for-covid-19-equipment-orders-after-plunging-for-months-collapse-sales-of-heavy-medium-duty-trucks-collapse-too/
Check out the articles and the comments, especially of the government being naive or ignorant on these matters, which will make matters worse.
Uh-oh this pandemic has just gone to a completely other level. The Coronavirus has taken out Corona!!! For a little invisible guy, Covid-19 packs a major punch.
Corona beer stops production amid coronavirus pandemic:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/corona-beer-stops-production-amid-coronavirus-pandemic-1.4881260
In Australia use invictrim as medicine agains covid
In Australia they are using invictrim as a medicine against covid?
What is invictrim?
It’s ivermectin:
Anti-parasite drug ivermectin shown to be effective against coronavirus
https://en.as.com/en/2020/04/04/other_sports/1585963017_478782.html
IC.
Yes Malcopian, IC (Industrial Civ.) is f u c k e d!!! 🙂
LOL!
The drug seems to be fairly cheap. About $20 for four tablets for treating round worm, when I looked up online.
I know 6 people who have had the Wuhan Flu. It was like any other flu — they had a fever — aches … lasted about a week…. they are fine.
There is no need for miracle cures (and there are no miracle cures for the flu – or the common cold).
The odds are if you are not a broken down piece of sh it riddled with heart disease and diabetes and riding around on a mobility scooter because you chow down on KFC 12x/week and drink 27 Big Gulps every few days…. you will be just fine.
It’s the flu.
Notice how the MSM gets in a tizzy when people say that? You are actually lower than one of them ‘conspiracy theorists’ if you say that.
Someone is trying to argue with me that it’s worse that the flu — I am asking him to show me how.
He said it can be passed without symptoms. I showed him the CDC site saying all flu can be passed without symptoms.
He then shifts to MSM talking point 2… the numbers are enormous… I refer him to 42M infections in 2017 over a few months. And 700k hospitalizations
Oh but hang on look at Spain says he…. I says Spain 50m people … 120k infections … US 6x the pop…. in 2017…. 42M infections (nearly 15% got the flu)… wake me up when Spain goes over 7M infections…
He still disagrees…. there is ‘no agenda’
“Given that the subprime car market was showing signs of strain before the crisis — with millions of people falling behind on their payments last year — the pandemic may create the perfect storm that bearish investors have been waiting for…
“That means lenders and investors in asset-backed securities could be in danger…
“”Within two months you will see the ‘sky is falling’ talk that no one wanted to do before,” he said. “Subprime auto was sick. Now it is likely going to be in triage.”
https://www.ft.com/content/5a8ca5b1-9a1c-4f81-99a5-acecef75b389
No kidding!
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/
‘The Trail Leading Back to the Wuhan Labs’
April 3, 2020 1:20 PM
“The Wuhan Institute of Virology in China indeed posted a job opening on November 18, 2019, “asking for scientists to come research the relationship between the coronavirus and bats.”
“The Google translation of the job posting is: “Taking bats as the research object, I will answer the molecular mechanism that can coexist with Ebola and SARS- associated coronavirus for a long time without disease, and its relationship with flight and longevity. Virology, immunology, cell biology, and multiple omics are used to compare the differences between humans and other mammals.” (“Omics” is a term for a subfield within biology, such as genomics or glycomics.)”
“On December 24, 2019, the Wuhan Institute of Virology posted a second job posting. The translation of that posting includes the declaration, “long-term research on the pathogenic biology of bats carrying important viruses has confirmed the origin of bats of major new human and livestock infectious diseases such as SARS and SADS, and a large number of new bat and rodent new viruses have been discovered and identified.”
I’m not the person who wrote this article. I’m just posting it as ‘information’ to be taken as anyone pleases.
Read up on the previously linked Last Vagabond journal articles on the topic.., as they detailed the events, players and time very well on several occasions.
The Wuhan lab stories picked up speed only when started to be disseminated by known alphabet msm agencies for the Asian theater, simply this showing high probability of cover up story.
It’s silly even on the msm terms and record, as we posted here articles going back at least to ~2015 about Coronas included in various gene modification lab experiments in normal civilian labs across the world.
Should this “National Review” piece had been posted in outlets ala Pravda or International Socialist Review Magazine types of rag, well all the smart pants would be uber skeptical and double checking crazy from day one. Somehow it doesn’t work that way in the opposite guard, wonder why, lolz.
Gullibility of many folks seems boundless.
World- I’m no genius but I spent a lot of time the last few years studying the war in Syria and even went so far as to go to Syria last year. I know one thing for certain now; the msn is an extension of the state.
The first thing anyone should do when they see these narratives about China is to look at who is making the claims and who is paying them. Invariably, you will find the original source of the claim is some state agency, think tank or NGO funded by a state with the msn simply repeating the claim.
Anything that contradicts the claim is met with a wall of silence in the msn.
For example, I would be willing to bet many people here believe the Syrian government routinely uses chemical weapons. Yet here is a video of the only expert engineer, a man of the highest integrity, who visited Douma with the OPCW FFM. He has been relegated to persona non grata in the msn and smeared by the OPCW for exposing the truth.
For similar reasons we rarely hear about Saudi atrocities in Yemen, because Saudi, the US, the UK and Israel are all allies. The MSM reports on Syrian ‘atrocities’ instead.
Precisely. Once you understand that the msn are just an instrument of narrative control the logical fallacies become very apparent. The list of countries you mention are the very ones providing the money for weapons, supplies and propaganda in support of the Syrian “rebels” who are actually Wahhabi inspired Islamists that the Syrian people reject completely. The msn would have us believe they are freedom fighters.
A thinking person would know that the CIA psychopaths engaged flunkies to toss a barrel of Chems into a neighbourhood killing women and children – then blaming Assad.
I understand why the CIA would do this.
But I will add this to my list of why I will rejoice when the electricity goes off and the extinction kicks off.
We MUST be eliminated. The sooner – the better
Viruses pass from animals to humans and from humans to animals as they mutate.
With 7.5 billion humans spread across the planet, we have become an interesting host for viruses. This is just the beginning.
Anyway…I read that Soros has invested in those Chinese labs…
This is a good article that Ed linked to earlier, giving evidence that the virus causing COVID-19 is not from natural sources. Instead, it is the result of a Wuhan lab accident.
Logistical and Technical Exploration into the Origins of the Wuhan Strain of Coronavirus (COVID-19)
https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/01/31/logistical-and-technical-analysis-of-the-origins-of-the-wuhan-coronavirus-2019-ncov/
Worth a listen.
https://ln2.sync.com/dl/697c30990/6wiz258m-rg9xdep3-f68kdrre-bn7w885j/view/default/3929325320010
“During a World Health Organization press conference on Friday, Kristalina Georgieva, director of the International Monetary Fund, warned the economic fallout from coronavirus is already “way worse than the global financial crisis of 2008…
“…the dive in business activity has created an economic crisis “like no other,” the IMF director warned on Friday.
“Never in the history of the IMF have we witnessed the world economy come to a standstill,” Georgieva said…
“She described the current crisis as “humanity’s darkest hour” in her lifetime, as it poses a “big threat to the whole world and it requires us to stand united.”
“The IMF has a $1 trillion war chest and is “determined to use as much of it as necessary,” she described. So far, more than 90 countries have applied for financial assistance.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/04/03/imf-warns-coronavirus-will-hurt-global-economy-way-worse-than-2008-financial-crisis/#567a5ff7707e
“Social distancing has had a catastrophic effect on otherwise viable businesses. Many firms are closing. With no clear vision of the length of the shutdown or the nature of the recovery, their future is uncertain.
” There has never been such a concentrated business collapse. The government has tried to respond but it has no idea of the scale of the problem it is going to have to deal with.
“We made some back of the envelope calculations and they are scary.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/03/recession-depression-data-coronavirus
As many commented before this would lead (next ~5-10yrs) to wiping out many mom and pops. SMEs, bankrupting also some of the frivolous consumption heavy weight MNCs, while strengthening the surviving vertically integrated others, who will be also selectively propped up when wobbling too much.
In other words, expect even much worse oppression, but now with fewer benefits & comforts & sedatives even in the formerly affluent parts of the IC..
Occasionally, “revolutionaries” could topple govs mostly in peripheral parts of the world (for now), however being empty victories with no leverage of turning the situation within already decrepit societies. Hence again, oppression, chaos, insecurity, less of frivolous anything.
One of the fundamental questions pondered over the years on OFW is to what extent and for how long governments, the IMF and central banks can paper over the cracks in our declining prosperity with “printed” money, financial sleight of hand and very low interest rates.
Coronavirus has almost overnight pushed us into a situation wherein our collective prosperity is not just declining but collapsing with unprecedented speed. This is at a time when the major central banks cannot lower interest rates much further and we are sitting on an unprecedented, multifarious global debt-pile already stimulated by their artificially low interest rates.
I don’t share your optimism for a 5-10 year timeline of lean, authoritarian BAU. I agree with Kenneth S. Rogoff that we are likely headed for the “mother of all financial crises”, and it may very well crash the whole system.
Sorry, if I was not clear enough, my intention certainly was not along the lines predicting of “lean, authoritarian BAU” – so to be more precise or illustrative – I’d follow the ongoing trends and explosion of even larger %% of former-illusion “middle classes” to fall into precariat status, from now being pressed to deal with day-to-day existential insecurities on the basal level, incl. irregular food and energy provisions, chronic unemployment for the breadwinner or at least several of the other members of the household, no long destination type of vacations, not merely delayed but non existent big purchase items (carz, big appliances) etc..
Now, there mind you the above is is still the good “manageable” de-growth stuff, as there are at least two even lower social classes bellow that general middle class level, which will be getting life expectation shortened not by 1-2 decades but rather 3-4x ..
Revolutions and riots break out very quickly indeed, in those countries where the mass of people spend most of their income on food, when shortages or price rises occur (or subsidies are withdrawn).
This is unexplored territory for the rich world, as we mostly spend so little on food, sucha
situation is not in living memory at all, the 1970’s was nothing in comparison.
Here it will be seen at first as temporary privation and hardship, and anomaly.
Then the expectation of the return of normality will fade, wit unpredictable consequences due to climate, temperament and culture of the people, and the strength of govt. surveillance.
Note on Spain: new cases of COVID rising at 5% per day despite the extreme lock-down with army on the streets to keep people inside. Heavy military presence now where my family live in Pamplona, armoured trucks on the street! This is not in response to riots or theft, most odd…..
PS The strict lock-down in Spain has just been extended to the end of April,
It’s very difficult to work out what exactly is going on.
Does Spain have the military on the streets to enforce the lockdown so the virus does not spread — or is this meant to ratchet up the panic level to ensure that people get the message — do not come out of your homes – this is the only way we can save the world…. (stay in there… no matter what… if you are a bit hungry don’t worry… we’ll come … tomorrow… always tomorrow???)
The virus is definitely real — people are getting sick — but is it just another form of flu (I would not be surprised if the e l ders concocted this thing in a lab….)
Then we have the US situation — they are hard a working trying to turn NY into another Wuhan…. perhaps it will end up going Wuhan … but it’s not … if we go by that video Tim posted.
CBS is using video from Italy …. WTF??? They surely could get their own video by just visiting an ICU of any NY hospital…. they have the budgets!!!
That’s the ‘tell’… at least for me — it says that there are no desperate scenes in NY hospitals…
Which surely has to lead one to conclude — the e l der’s agenda involved creating panic and fear…
Why create panic and fear?
The only reason I can come up with involves the CDT (controlled demolition theory).
Open to others.
BTW – I should Tim’s video to some people I know in NY — one of them was concerned… the other was dismissal – could have been taken very early morning …. well there are multiple videos and they were taken in daylight …. and you can hear traffic in the background so sorry not 4am….
Amazing how powerful the MSM is …. we go back to the Hiding in Plain Sigh/Conspiracy Theory memes…. even if something is glaring obvious…. most people will reject it
Looking forward to more videos of empty hospitals in the US….
Leftish Media Matters has an article that tries to debunk the “empty hospitals = epidemic not as bad as advertised” idea without actually doing any debunking but instead saying that the people pushing it are right-wingers, racists and believers in Q Anon—a bunch of deplorables all told.
From the comments it looks like readers where unpersuaded and the general sentiment is that people find that there are empty hospitals and think it weird, and that the Democrats will be toast come November.
https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/right-wing-media-figures-spread-empty-hospitals-theory-downplay-threat
The ‘tell’ is how Media Matters cherry picks the videos and highlights shares from accounts that appear to be fanatical organizations. When you have millions of views – obviously some of the shares are going to involve a few freaks….
Notice how MM does not show who actually took the video — can’t have that because the person who took each video is likely just a normal person who happened to pass a hospital and notice it was empty — or was a citizen journalist who decided to see for himself what the situation is.
Notice how all they post are screen shots — no links to the actual videos. Linking to the actual videos would destroy their assertion that they were taken by wackos…
I am trying to find more videos of empty hospitals but struggling … I did find this
Covid Denialist Crazies
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/covid-denialist-crazies-fox-news-sara-carter-todd-starnes/
This is a full court press …. the videos are being suppressed — and anyone who dares to try to publish one is ‘crazy’….
Kinda like with the WMD … anyone who suggested that was a lie was branded a traitor and an idiot… I bore the brunt of that at the time… and do you think anyone ever said ‘sorry mate — you were actually right’ after the fact. Nope
Humans really d u mb er than donkeys…
Any still believe we landed on the moon?????
And in this story … the reason there are no videos of the carnage in the MSM … is because ……. because…. Reporters and their Bosses don’t want them to go into the hospitals…
The thing is … photographers go into war zones… with shrapnel flying everywhere… land mines … bullets… and they often get wounded or die.
And they are AFRAID to go into a f77777ing hospital?
But the st oooo p id humans will interpret this not as a lie — instead they will believe this virus is so dangerous that reporters won’t go near it!!!!
“I’ve been watching that for the last week on television, body bags all over in hallways,” the president said on Tuesday. “Trucks that are as long as the Rose Garden, and they are pulling up to take out bodies.”
Capturing those kinds of images is fraught.
Many media bosses have been reluctant to allow their journalists to venture into hospitals. They don’t want to get in the way of overworked hospital staff or use up scarce protective garb — and they don’t want their own employees to get sick. Both CBS News and NBC News have lost employees to covid-19, and all of the networks have had staff members infected.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/americans-want-to-see-whats-happening-in-hospitals-now-but-its-hard-for-journalists-to-get-inside/2020/04/03/eef72c12-7380-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html
Why couldn’t people see this problem in advance?
It costs money to implement effective means for pathogen control. The flu are for example “allowed” to rip. It is a disgrace.
It takes resources of many kinds to implement pathogen control. We didn’t know how this pathogen behaved; we assumed we had excess resources to throw at. We really don’t have excess resources to throw at it. Even within the medical sector, if we use more resources for COVID-19, more medical providers get laid off who were providing other kinds of care. The debt sector is terribly badly affected by the shut downs.
In most countries when you arrive you ‘self-quarantine’… please suh… you might be infected and destroy our economy and kill people … could you promise to quarantine yourself for 14 days…
We’d like you to load this app on your phone so we can make sure you follow the rules – BUT only if you opt in — hate to offend your privacy
Inevitably many of these people blow off the quarantine — many have been caught. And obviously they refuse to opt in
If this virus is so deadly … and so destructive… surely governments would blow off any privacy issues — there would be NO GPS — you would go into a room that is guarded… and you would not come out until the 14 days is up and you test negative.
THAT is how you deal with something that can end the world.
But they are not…. think about that …
I’ve thought of three possibilities.
They want to end the world as we know it.
They don’t think the virus is as serious as they are telling the rest of us it is.
Or they don’t have a clue what they should be doing and so they are making it up as they go along.
I’ll go with option three, Tim.
I am afraid you are right.
China started down a wrong path, and everyone else followed along. Monkey see, monkey do. Having all of the epidemiologists creating absurd models added to the confusion.
Or maybe at last year’s Davos conference it was agreed that the VERY detailed pandemic instruction manuals would be ignored… and a ‘3 stooges’ make it up as you go along plan was implemented…
After all… the agenda calls for a world wide total panic…. so you drop this flu into the centre of China pre Chinese New Year… and you let it run… and now it’s run globally.
https://youtu.be/XAYhNHhxN0A
https://marcin-chwedczuk.github.io/assets/images/memes/mission_accomplished.jpg
yes, Tim, it’s option three…
Yup – Option 3
Never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by incompetence.
if you have ever worked with people at the top of government as I have in the past, you know they are making it up as they go along. This is unprecedented, so ‘they’ (who are just ordinary people like all of us) have no models to go on, no rule book, nothing..
When you realise the above, it becomes scarier than if there was a plan!!
I agree. I remember a fairly top level meeting in Singapore, faced with a simple decision: based on progress to date, do we extend the contract, or end it? Six major government departments, plus two private sector bigwigs, plus me. They spent twenty minutes trying to either avoid a decision or cajole somebody else into making it. Finally I spoke up, and their relief was palpable. Somebody is taking responsibility! let’s get behind him and push. Of course if the decision goes off a cliff, who goes with it and who stands at the cliff edge shaking their heads. C’est la guerre.
Spanish govt. now directly monitoring movement of everyone via their i-phones, by agreement with the mobile companies.
I suspect they anticipate kick-back against the extension of the lock-down to end of April.
It’s becoming obvious that we need to lift nearly all restrictions, still try to shield the more vulnerable from infection, and seek to organise for swift mass burials.
Medical staff will have to become ‘angels of mercy,’ putting sufferers out of the misery of slow suffocation by humane means.
Unfortunately, they are not prepared by training and mentality to perform this function, but it would surely be better than presiding over rows of ventilated patients who have little hope.
And politicians and voters will not face up to it.
Otherwise, the lives ‘saved’ will have no meaning; there will be no functioning society and economy left given the speed at which disintegration is moving now.
I couldn’t bother to read this drivel in its entirety… but let’s print it and laminate it… and use it as a demo of how very smart people can be totally clueless..
https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2020/04/03/169-at-the-zenith-of-complexity/
I think Tim Morgan doesn’t want to look into the Abyss.
He is concerned about the very poor in the developing world, ignoring the fact that WE are also heading for starvation as paper wealth evaporates and systems fail across the board.
All speculation about future economic and social forms is becoming futile as collapse gathers pace.
Agree – Tim is unable to handle the truth … so he creates an alternative reality…
He has a great deal of company
https://youtu.be/9FnO3igOkOk
Dissecting inner stages of collapse is hardly “totally clueless” ..
Universal instadoom vibes will be simply disproved by reality again.
Yes.
I agree with you and respectfully disagree with the poster Xabier when referencing futility the futility of speculation.
Our challenge is to discard what is no longer useful and and apply what will be useful today and tomorrow. The difficulty will be in abandoning long held beliefs which were once applicable but can no longer be supported by the free energy available. These changes will not only be economic, they will be political and interpersonal.
Some often of the comments in the article FE referenced are insightful and for me worth investigation as they refer to history and how it dealt with somewhat similar situations.
WWI by Gail’s thesis was secondary to a decrease in per capita coal production. Accepting that gives a basis to explore various historical ideas and reactions and see if any of them are relevant and useful to our own time.
There are so many mistakes in the world, I like to share them and if someone has made them before accept them and not repeat and verify if possible.
Dennis L.
I would not go so far as to think of them as mistakes, but rather inevitable steps in the process of growing up into a species of sentient and inevitable interstellar destiny.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0d/0c/33/0d0c33b579459d8981ba20de5b829fd8.jpg
Yes we are growing up. Sadly many teenagers die in auto accidents due to their foolish actions. see https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/01/31/logistical-and-technical-analysis-of-the-origins-of-the-wuhan-coronavirus-2019-ncov/
Yes, the grave yards are full of indispensable people and young and aspiring lads. It won’t change anything though.
Either we learn or we perish. Not much of a choice as a species.
The report you link to is quite the report!. It was published on January 31, 2020. It makes a strong case that the virus was engineered, and that is why it has the strange characteristics it has. This is a related video that it links to.
https://youtu.be/LlplnH3VYyc
From hobbyist grade gear doing surgical strikes on oil facilities to home brew pathogens running rampant in the populace.
What a wonderful world.
https://youtu.be/A3yCcXgbKrE
https://media.makeameme.org/created/no-mr-powers.jpg
The kaiser’s plan was to seize the coal producing areas of southern Belgium quickly in the hope Britain and France would acquiesce.
One hundred years later of course, Wallonia produces no coal.
This is what our forefathers’ brothers died for.
Hi, neil! I am very interested to know if you perhaps has a source for this objective of the germans in WW1?
What’s totally clueless is believing there will be civilization after growth ends.
That is totally clueless on so many fronts….
Tim appears to believe there will be some sort of awesome new normal — that we face some hard times but that a better world will come out of this …
Valley Girl level clueless… (which is even more severe than DelusisTAN level clueless)
https://ubcfilmsociety.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/clueless.jpg
FE,
Thanks for the reference, it is easy to lose many sources among the mass of comments.
I found it a useful road map for going forward, it is simple and addresses many of the issues we face in a manner consistent with the basic issues we face, a per capita decrease in free energy.
What we are experiencing, economically, politically and personally is a reaction to that fact, one which Gail originally pointed out in her “per capita” thesis.
Again, thanks, it is an article which I printed and will attempt using as a path through the various challenges we are currently facing and will be facing. I like it and I appreciate your reference to it.
Dennis L.
Yes there are a lot of comments on OFW since the Core returned … we were not going to miss the end of the world now were we…
My suggestion would be to identify the heavy hitters (e.g. Gail, Tim, CTG, Harry, Xabier, Iteo, Norman, Yori, Duncan, JMS, Last Call, Rodster, Tango and a few others…) and just filter those usernames … then save the best (and most controversial) for last and filter Fast Eddy…. then you can either read the rest later or just delete them….
Over a second morning coffee on another bright sunny fall day… I am thinking … I am probably never going to get out of this lockdown…. if in fact the theory is correct that the E ld ers have used this virus to convince us that we need to lock ourselves into homes cowering in fear and uncertainty…
I am effectively in a prison …. well — better a prison cell with a couple of hectares of land than ending up in a 300sf hotel room in Hong Kong!!!
Fast Eddy is applying is 500 IQ to this virus thing… and he has come up with this:
1. The numbers have gone up each day. On Friday, the number of hospitalizations broke 1,000. On Monday, 2,000. On Tuesday, 3000. And on Thursday, there were 5,327 people hospitalized in New York state, of which 1,290 were in intensive care units.
https://www.propublica.org/article/coronavirus-hospitalization-numbers-are-spotty-journalists-help-us-fill-in-the-gaps
2. In total, the CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died. That’s fairly on par with a typical season, and well below the CDC’s 2017-2018 estimates of 48.8 million illnesses, 959,000 hospitalizations and 79,400 deaths.
Odd… we are told the hospitals are bulging at the seems in NY with 5300 virus sufferers being treated.
I don’t have the breakdown for NY for the 2018 flu… but NY state is roughly 7% of the US population so let’s go with 50,000 hospitalized with the flu in 2018….
I can’t find any headlines about hospitals in NY being overwhelmed with in 2018.
This has the stench of WMD about it…. very difficult to say as the MSM is on full court press globally …. so the truth is difficult to come by…
We’ve had a translated tape out of Italy from some ‘doctors’… claiming it is hell on earth there… no names… no faces…
I could make a tape… ‘this is a Giuseppi… Giuseppi the Sicilian… I lika da spaghetti…. today Ia went the hospital… so many the people dead … so many sick the veerus… porkamadia… crazy times no?’
If the Plan is to lock us down through the end of days… then it is not difficult to imagine the politicians the world over agreeing to play their roles in this thing… this is the sort of agenda that would be discussed and decided at Davos….
And of course the MSM is just another tool of the people with the real power… and they do what they are told….
Remember my comment about the NSA … it’s not difficult to get a lot of people to believe in and promulgate a lie… the MSM does it all the time… you convince the key people that the lie is in the interests of everyone — and you make sure they get paid very well to play along — and if they go off the reservation you DESTROY them by calling them conspiracy theorists — and make sure they never work again.
It’s actually very very simple to lie in plain sight.
In total, the CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died. That’s fairly on par with a typical season, and well below the CDC’s 2017-2018 estimates of 48.8 million illnesses, 959,000 hospitalizations and 79,400 deaths.
NY is about 7% of the US population – so call it 50,000 hospitalizations for the flu in the winter of 2018/19
The numbers have gone up each day. On Friday, the number of hospitalizations broke 1,000. On Monday, 2,000. On Tuesday, 3000. And on Thursday, there were 5,327 people hospitalized in New York state, of which 1,290 were in intensive care units. Pro Publica
Yet the MSM is reporting that the hospitals are overflowing with sick and dying patients. And the citizens journalists have been to multiple hospitals and published video showing no queues whatsoever….
It is pure Newtown but in this case we are the crisis actors. So do your part FE tell’m about the nuclear pools.
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Apparently the WHO suspects that the coronavirus is airborne.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00974-w
“But experts that work on airborne respiratory illnesses and aerosols say that gathering unequivocal evidence for airborne transmission could take years and cost lives. We shouldn’t “let perfect be the enemy of convincing”, says Michael Osterholm, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis.”
Yup, lockdowns in houses/apartments/cruise ships without proper ventilation (air recirculation) is madness. It is a prison of airborne death. Now, where did you first read to use HEPA air filtration?
https://pics.me.me/see-im-nota-monster-im-just-ahead-of-the-curve-41425196.png
Oh, yeah, either you agree with me or you have to accept being wrong. As usually.
1. HEPA air filtration at home
2. Wear face mask
3. Providone iodine on your hands, nostrils, mouth and face
When the enemy goes viral high-tech, it’s time to go crude. Yes, that is how winning is done.
There seems to be evidence that the virus is transmitted by simply talking, rather than coughing. It can stay in the air for long periods of time, in aerosol form. The controversy seems to be whether this means of potential transmission should be a significant concern, or is it too dilute to matter.
This fly in air condition of ship and airplane. And in airconditioned of hospital
Modern hospitals have air filtration. But that won’t help if the facilities are overcrowded with coughing and sneezing people. It will be contamination everywhere. That is why you can see people in hazmat suits dousing down entire areas with antiseptics.
Solvent based antiseptics is basically useless since the anti microbial activity is gone by the time it evaporates. PVP-I, on the other hand, “sticks” around for a much longer period of time.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/povidone-iodine
“After the skin has been blotted with a sterile towel, a nondetergent solution is “painted” onto the area. This thin film of povidone-iodine continues to have bactericidal action for up to 8 hours after application.”
Use PVP-I instead of alcohol based hand sanitizer and rubber gloves.
Yes, regularly gargling your mouth and throat with PVP-I is proven to cut down on the viral “emissions”.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12011519/
“At the middle school where the use of the PVP-I gargle was encouraged, the absence rate due to common cold and influenza was significantly lower as compared to those at middle schools where another gargle was used.”
PVP-I also sticks around much longer, up to 8h if applied as a topical instead of the stinkin’ alcohol based hand sanitizer.
Yes, that gargling thing (even with water or herb tea) worked wonders also in normal times against ordinary flue and such. Unfortunately, even these simple and tested truths are being turned against us as we speak, there are likely many labs, which are trying to re-weaponize this easy diy protective natural feature into new much destructive tech..
I wish them good luck engineering a pathogen that can handle PVP-I. No existing microorganism can handle it even after some 60 years of intensive usage at basically every surgery and infected wound.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9403249/
“Taken together, our results demonstrate that long-term use of PVP-I does not cause any bacterial resistance in CNS of CAPD patients.”
https://symbiosisonlinepublishing.com/dermatology/dermatology74.pdf
“Established biofilms of multi-drug resistant S. aureus, P. aeruginosa, K. pneumoniae and C. albicans can be successfully disrupted in vitro by treatment with a dilute PVP-I solution or gel. Concentrations as low as 6.25% and 3.125% PVP-I serially diluted solutions showed anti-fungal activity against Candida auris, Trichophton mentagrophytes, Microsporum canis, Candida albicans and Aspergillus fumigatus strains in the MIC assay. As the search for potent, non-toxic anti-biofilm agents continues to evolve, further investigation of dilute PVP-I-containing systems in vitro and in vivo could yield a new class of therapeutic agents with important efficacy for recalcitrant, chronic wounds.”
https://europepmc.org/article/med/15631008
“Treatment of SARS-CoV with PVP-I products for 2 min reduced the virus infectivity from 1.17 x 10(6) TCID50/ml to below the detectable level.
We believe that these findings will be useful for the implementation of infection control measures against SARS, and for the establishment of effective guidelines for the prevention of SARS outbreaks.“
Yes indeed;
1. HEPA air filtration at home
2. N95 masks worn in public
3. PVP-I on the hands, face, mouth and snout.
That is kryptonite for any pathogen now and in the future.
Can we plz continue BAU now? 🤣
It absolutely is spread by talking. All these idiots saying masks are useless should be sued. Everyone knows a mask stops the spread of droplets in the air.
There is a difference between big droplets and aerosols. Everyone agrees that big droplets are a problem. That is the reason for the six foot rule. Masks stop the big droplets before they get airborne.
Aerosols are hard to control. They go through vent systems. They seem to be somewhat of an issue as well, given the cruise ship experience.
This Koran doctor explains how droplets become aerosols. Basically a small droplet that dries out while airborne. People need to wear masks. The cheapest and simplest control there is.
Notice though that in the whole interview he wasn’t wearing a mask.
That is strange.
No it isn’t, the interviewer has been tested, remember, the interview is in South Korea. The office most likely also have proper air filtration.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8186047/Dr-Anthony-Fauci-says-not-half-time-fight-against-coronavirus.html
this is a simple (perhaps simplistic) point:
the world isn’t even half way through the health consequences of the virus…
what if the world is still in the early stages, like only 1 or 2 % of the final total?
it’s way too early to calculate how much death… this first wave will be followed by never ending seasonal waves…
but also…
we obviously are still in the early stages of economic destruction…
In case there was no vaccine available in time for 8 Billion people *cough* the epidemologists speak about a 70% spred of the virus in the population that is 5.6 Billion humans. So we are at a 5600-th of “it”. People asking for total lockdown at all costs do not see that and when you ask about economic consequences the simply say it is inhumane to put the economiy above the health of the people.
So is a car-driver a murderer? Probably yes. Will we see cars being banned after “it” probably no
What about peanuts? Somebody choked to death on a peanut yesterday. Should they be banned on safety grounds? Certainly. WIll they be, probably not. Although it could save countless lives. And it’s not just peanuts!
In the United States, over 5,000 people die from choking on food each year. The odds of one dying from choking on food is around 1 in 2,696. These odds are greater than the odds of dying from an accidental gun discharge or as a passenger on a plane. In 2018, there were around 1.6 deaths from choking per 100,000 population. Choking is also hazardous among young children. And children are our future. We must protect the children, agreed?
In many cases, these 5,000 victims have loved ones. We must protect the loved ones from the suffering associated with knowing their loved ones have died from choking on food.
PS, children with tiny mouths are particularly susceptible to choking on food!
https://i.imgflip.com/3bh2ox.jpg
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-hits-grim-mark-1-194853728.html
“The United States on Friday recorded at least 1,000 COVID-19 deaths in a single day…”
US seasonal flu never contributes to more than 300 deaths in a single day… and that’s with no social distancing…
US auto accidents about 100 deaths per day…
US soo iss sides about 100 per day…
How many deaths doe the US record on an average day from all causes? I googled and found that the number for 2018 (most recent year I could find) was 2,839,205, which is an average of 7,778 deaths per day.
In 2017, the top ten causes of death were, in rank order:
Diseases of heart 55,672;
Malignant neoplasms 599,108;
Accidents (unintentional injuries) 169,936;
Chronic lower respiratory diseases 160,201;
Cerebrovascular diseases 146,383;
Alzheimer disease 121,404;
Diabetes mellitus; Influenza and pneumonia 55,672;
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis 50,633;
and Intentional self-harm (suicide) 47,173.
These causes accounted for 74% of all deaths occurring in the United States.
My next band name is Billion Kilo Potato Pile.
https://twitter.com/ReutersAg/status/1246276165867888640
or perhaps a song (to the tune of Happy Birthday)…
I eat french fries, they make me smile
I can eat them a long while
But Covid-19 closed the restaurants
Billion Kilo Potato Pile
Similar situation here in the UK:
“The closure of fish and chip shops due to coronavirus has left thousands of tonnes of potatoes languishing in storage – threatening to put farmers out of business.”
https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/markets-and-trends/crop-prices/coronavirus-chip-shop-closures-bad-news-for-potato-growers
Thanks for the update, it will be interesting to watch the resolution, perhaps dumping it in the sea/ocean.. or UN paying for Africa aid bound shipment?
“Potatoes in the morning, potatoes at night, potatoes when you’re hungry makes you feel all right.”
https://youtu.be/1TXWSkRj-MQ
Broken supply lines!
80%are broken? I think not at all something arrive