To Be Sustainable, Green Energy Must Generate Adequate Taxable Revenue

What allows any type of energy to be sustainable? I would argue that one of the requirements for sustainability is adequate production of taxable revenue. Company managements depend upon taxable revenue for many purposes, including funding new investments and paying dividends to shareholders. Governments depend upon taxable income to collect enough taxes to provide infrastructure and programs for their growing populations.

Taxable income is a major way that “net energy” is transferred to future investment and to the rest of the economy. If this form of net energy is too low, governments will collapse from lack of funding. Energy production will fall from lack of reinvestment. This profitability needs to come from the characteristics of the energy products, allowing more goods and services to be produced efficiently. This profitability cannot be created simply by the creation of more government debt; the rise in the price of energy is tied to the affordability of goods, particularly the goods required by low-income people, such as food. This affordability issue tends to put a cap on prices that can be charged for energy products.

It seems to me that Green Energy sources are held to far too low a standard. Their financial results are published after subsidies are reflected, making them look profitable when, in reality, they are not. This is one of the things that makes many people from the financial community believe that Green Energy is the solution for the future.

In this post, I will discuss these ideas further. A related issue is, “Which type of oil production fell most in the 2018-2021 period?” Many people had expected that perhaps high-cost energy production would fall. Strangely enough, the production that fell most was that of OPEC oil exporters. These oil exporters often have a very low cost of energy production. The production of US oil from shale also fell.

If the ratio of Energy Return on Energy Investment (EROEI) is to be used as a measure of which type of energy best meets our needs, perhaps the list of items to be included in EROEI calculations needs to be broadened. Alternatively, more attention needs to be paid to unsubsidized taxable income as an indicator of net energy production.

[1] According to EIA data, world crude oil production hit a peak of 84.5 million barrels per day (bpd) in the fourth quarter of 2018. Production fell as low as 72.3 million bpd in the third quarter of 2020. Production rebounded to 75.4 million barrels of oil a day, still 9.1 million bpd below peak production in the 4th quarter of 2018.

Figure 1. Quarterly crude and condensate production, based on international data of the US Energy Information Administration.

This drop in oil production was unprecedented. It far exceeded the drop in oil production at the time of the Great Recession of 2008-2009. As of the first quarter of 2021, crude oil production was roughly at its level in 2011. It still has not rebounded very far.

[2] The biggest drop in crude oil production during this period was that of the cartel led by OPEC and Russia. United States’ oil production also fell during this period. Production of the Rest of the World, in total, was fairly flat.

Figure 2. Crude oil production through the first quarter of 2021 based on international data of the US Energy Information Administration.

The big concern of OPEC and Russia was that crude oil prices were too low to provide adequate tax revenue for the governments of these countries. This is especially an issue for countries with few other industries besides oil. These oil exporting countries tend to have large populations, with little employment besides government-sponsored projects. Nearly all food needs to be imported, so subsidies for food need to be provided if the many people earning low wages are to be able to afford this food.

If oil prices are high, say $150 per barrel or higher in today’s dollars, it is generally fairly easy for governments to collect enough oil-related taxes. The actual cost of extraction is often very low for oil exporters, perhaps as little as $20 per barrel. The need for tax revenue greatly exceeds the direct expenses of extracting the oil. Companies can be asked to pay as much as 90% of operating income (in this example, equal to $130 = $150 – $20 per barrel, probably only relating to exported oil) as taxes. The percentage varies greatly by country, with countries that have higher costs of production generally paying less in taxes.

Figure 3. Chart from 2013 showing “government take” as a percentage of operating income by Barry Rodgers Oil and Gas Consulting (website no longer available).

When oil companies are asked about their required price to break even, a wide range of answers is possible. Do they just quote the expense of pulling the oil from the ground? If so, a very low answer is possible. If shareholders are involved in the discussions, this is the answer that they would like to hear. Or do they give realistic estimates, including the taxes that their governments need? Furthermore, if the cost of extraction is rising, there needs to be enough profit that can be set aside to allow for the drilling of new wells in higher-cost areas, if production is to be maintained.

Because of the need for tax revenue, OPEC countries often publish Fiscal Breakeven Oil Prices, indicating how high the prices need to be to obtain adequate tax revenue for the exporting countries. For example, Figure 4 shows a set of Fiscal Breakeven Oil Prices for 2013 – 2014.

Figure 4. Estimate of OPEC breakeven oil prices, including tax requirements by parent countries, by APICORP.

If a country tries to maintain the same standard of living for its population as in the past, I would expect that the fiscal breakeven price would rise year after year. This would occur partly because the population of OPEC countries keeps rising and thus more subsidy is needed. The fiscal breakeven price would also tend to rise because the easiest-to-extract oil tends to be depleted first. As a result, new oil-related investments can be expected to have higher costs than the depleted investments they are replacing.

In fact, if a person looks at more recently published fiscal breakeven prices, they tend to be lower than the 2013-2014 breakevens. I believe that this happens because oil exporters don’t want to look desperate. They know that attaining such high prices is unlikely today. They hope that by using more debt and reducing the standard of living of their citizens, they can somehow get along with a lower fiscal breakeven price. This is not a long term solution, however. Unhappy citizens are likely to overturn their governments. Such a result could completely cut off oil supply from these countries.

[3] A cutback in oil production is not surprising for the OPEC + Russia group, nor for the United States, given the chronically low oil prices. The profitability was too low for all of these producers.

Figure 5. Inflation-adjusted historical average annual Brent oil price for 1965 through 2020 from BP’s Statistical Review of World Energy 2021. 12-Jul-2021 amount is the actual Brent spot oil price for that date.

Oil prices fell in late 2014. Fiscal breakeven prices calculated before that date likely gave a somewhat reasonable estimate of the needed prices for oil exporters to make an adequate profit, at that time. By early 2019, when the first decreases in oil production began, these countries were beginning to become fed up with chronically low oil prices.

It is interesting to note that Qatar, the country with the lowest breakeven price on Figure 4, decided to withdraw from OPEC effective January 1, 2019, rather than reduce its oil production. For Qatar, oil prices in late 2018 and early 2019 were close to adequate. Qatar mostly produces natural gas, rather than oil.

The decrease in US shale oil production reflects somewhat the same low profitability issue as OPEC + Russia exports, with an additional factor added. Besides low prices, there seems to be a well-spacing issue. There are reports that the spacing of shale wells gradually got closer and closer, until the closer spacing became counter-productive. The more closely spaced wells “cannibalized” the output from nearby wells. The extra drilling may also have released needed pressurization, reducing oil availability.

Such a problem would have been a difficult issue to pick up from EROEI analyses because there are not enough of these EROEI studies to see sudden changes. Figure 6 shows the timing of the drop in US oil production, relative to the drop in oil prices:

Figure 6. Monthly average crude oil and condensate production and prices for the United States excluding the Gulf of Mexico, based on US Energy Information Administration data. Oil prices are West Texas Intermediate spot prices, not adjusted for inflation. Amounts shown are through April 2021.

Figure 6 omits oil from the Gulf of Mexico, because its quantity tends to bounce around, especially when a hurricane hits. Because of this exclusion, the oil shown in Figure 6 reflects a combination of declining oil production from conventional oil wells plus (after about 2011) rising production from shale wells.

Figure 6 shows that production of oil from shale was developed during the 2011 to 2013 period, when oil prices were high. When oil prices suddenly fell in late 2014, shale producers suddenly found production very unprofitable. They cut back on production starting in April 2015. Shale production started rising again in 2017 after prices moved away from their extreme lows. Growth in oil production began to slow in late 2018, when oil prices again began to fall.

The big shutdown in world oil demand associated with the COVID-19 epidemic began in the second quarter of 2020. Shale production fell in response to low oil prices in March through November of 2020. As of April 2021, production does not seem to have rebounded significantly. We have seen reports that workers were laid off, making it difficult to add new production. If, indeed, well-spacing had become too close, this may have played a role in the decision not to ramp up production again. It is quite possible that many drilled but uncompleted wells will permanently remain uncompleted because they are too close to other wells to be useful.

Based on this analysis, it seems likely that US oil production for 2021 will be lower than that for 202o. Ultimately, the lack of adequate profitability can be expected to bring US oil production down.

[4] There are some high-cost oil producers who continue to produce increasing amounts of oil.

Figure 7. Crude oil and condensate production for Canada and Brazil, based on international data of the US Energy Information Administration.

The keys to maintaining high-cost oil production seem to be

  • Large up front investments to make this production possible with little new investment
  • Governments that are not very “needy” in terms of revenue from oil taxes

Even with these considerations, having an unprofitable or barely profitable oil industry weakens a country. Neither Brazil nor Canada is doing very well economically in 2021. These countries will likely reduce new oil investment in the next year or two, if inflation-adjusted oil prices do not rise significantly.

[5] Somehow, “Green Energy” has been allowed to compete in the energy field with huge subsidies. If Green Energy is actually to be successful long-term, it needs to be profitable in the same way that fossil fuel energy needs to be profitable. If wind and solar are truly useful, they need to be very profitable, even without subsidies, so that they can support their governments with taxes.

There tends to be little recognition of the extent of subsidies for renewable energy. For example, allowing the electricity from wind turbines and solar panels to be put on the grid whenever it is generated is a huge subsidy. Such generation mostly substitutes for the coal or natural gas used by electricity-producing plants, rather than the electricity generated by these plants. The many reports we see that compare the cost of intermittent electricity generated by wind turbines and solar panels with the cost of dispatchable electricity generated by fossil fuels are simply misleading.

Furthermore, electricity generated by wind turbines and solar panels doesn’t need to be sufficiently profitable to pay for the much larger grid they require. The larger grid requirement occurs partly because the devices tend to be more distant from users, and partly because the transmission lines need to be sized for the maximum transmission required, which tends to be high for the variable production of renewables.

The lack of adequate profitability of wind and solar on an unsubsidized basis strongly suggests that they are not really producing net energy, regardless of what EROEI calculations seem to indicate.

It might be noted that in past years, oil exporters have been accused of giving large energy subsidies to their oil producing companies. What these oil exporters have been doing is charging their own citizens lower prices for oil products than the high (international) price charged to foreign buyers. Thus, high taxes were collected only on oil exports, not from local citizens. With the fall in oil prices in late 2014 (shown in Figures 5 and 6 below), this practice of differential pricing has largely disappeared.

“Oil subsidies” in the US consist of financial assistance to low income people in the US Northeast who continue to heat their homes with oil. These subsidies, too, have mostly disappeared, with lower oil prices and the availability of less expensive forms of home heating.

[6] It seems to me that an economy really has three different requirements:

  1. The total quantity of energy must be rising, at least as rapidly as population.
  2. The types of energy available must match the needs of current energy-consuming devices, or there needs to be some type of transition plan to facilitate this transition.
  3. There must be enough “net energy” left over, both (a) to fund governments with taxes and (b) to fund any transition to different energy-consuming devices, if such a transition is required.

Thus, in order for a transition to Green Energy to really work, it must be extremely profitable on a pretax, unsubsidized basis, so that it can pay high taxes. The greater the need for a transition to different energy consuming devices, such as heat pumps for buildings and electric vehicles of many types, the greater the need for more net energy generated by Green Energy sources to help facilitate this transition.

High profitability for energy products is normally associated with a very low cost of energy production. Furthermore, the type of Green Energy available needs to be in a very useful form. In a sense, there are really two different energy transitions required:

  • The output of intermittent electricity devices must be brought up to grid standards, using a combination such as many long distance transmission, very substantial battery backup, and the use of many devices to provide the electricity with the precise characteristics it needs.
  • As mentioned above, if greater use of electricity is to be made, a transition to electric devices is required.

Both of these transitions will require a significant quantity of energy (really net energy not used elsewhere in the system) to accomplish. If fossil fuel energy is being phased out, an increasing share of this net energy will need to come from the Green Energy sector by way of the tax system. Such a system will only work if the Green Energy sector is very profitable on a pre-tax basis.

[7] Figure 8 suggests that the world has a problem with low energy consumption per capita right now.

Figure 8. Energy consumption per capita for all energy sources combined based on data from BP’s Statistical Review of Energy 2021.

There is a strong correlation between growth in total energy consumption per capita and how well the economy is doing. The slight downward slide in energy consumption per capita in 2019 indicates that the economy was already doing poorly in 2019. The huge downward shift in 2020 dwarfs the downward slide in 2009, when the world was in the midst of the Great Recession. My earlier research, looking back 200 years, indicates that low growth in energy consumption per capita is likely to lead to conflict among nations and collapses of governments. Epidemics are also more likely to spread in such periods, because greater wage and wealth disparity tends to occur when energy supplies are constrained.

Any shift away from fossil fuel energy to Green Energy will almost certainly mean a huge drop in world energy consumption per capita because the world doesn’t produce very much Green Energy. Such a drop in energy consumption per capita will be a huge problem, in itself. If the Green Energy sector doesn’t generate much taxable income without subsidies, this adds an additional difficulty.

[8] Conclusion: Examination of the EROEIs for various fuels, using calculations the way that they are performed today, gives inadequate information regarding whether a transition to another set of fuels is feasible.

Researchers need to be looking more at (a) the total quantity of energy produced and (b) the profitability of producing this energy. An economy is only possible because of profitable businesses, including energy businesses. A person cannot assume that energy prices will rise from today’s level because of scarcity. Today’s huge debt bubble is producing very high copper and steel prices, but it is not producing correspondingly high oil prices.

Heavily subsidized energy products look like they might be helpful, but there is little reason to believe this to be the case. If Green Energy products are truly producing net energy, we should expect this fact to be reflected in the unsubsidized profits that these products generate. In fact, if Green Energy products are truly producing large amounts of net energy, they should be so profitable that businesses will be rapidly ramping up their production, even without subsidies or mandates.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,605 Responses to To Be Sustainable, Green Energy Must Generate Adequate Taxable Revenue

  1. Minority of One says:

    Not sure how well Dr. Andrew Wakefield is known in the USA, but he first became famous, then infamous in the UK in the late 1990s. He made the news bigtime here in the UK when he published a paper which linked the MMR vaccine (Measles, Mumps and Rubella, just about all children get it here) to the onset of autism in children. For a very short while his conclusions were well-reported and taken seriously, but then, not long after, he was reported as a ‘fraud’, the word currently used by Wickedpedia. He was demonised, stuck off the medical register by the BMA (British Medical Association) and hounded out of the country. He moved to the USA and became a film maker, which he still does. He directed the film ‘Vaxxed’.

    I thought nothing of him again until I saw a couple of his videos last year re CV19. It became immediately obvious that Big Pharma and their cronies did a hatchet job on Wakefield back in the 1990s. In the first 20 minutes or so of the video below, he explains what happened. The reason he started the research, on the link between vaccines and childhood autism, was because some of his patients told him that their child was fine and the autism started shortly after receiving the MMR vaccine. And it was not just Wakefield. He did the study with other doctors.

    The crooks at the BMA stuck off Wakefield and one of his colleagues, because of the one article. The other colleague took the BMA to the High Court and won their case, and were re-added to the medical register. Taking a case to the High Court is very expensive. When Cliff Richard sued the BBC and won, and Alex Salmond sued the Scottish government and won, their legal fees in both cases was about £400,000. Wakefield did not have that sort of money, and to this day remains struck off the medical register.

    Many doctors joining him now in being ostracised for telling the truth.


    “Andrew Wakefield On MMR Vaccines And Autism
    Dr. Andrew Wakefield is one of the most important scientists in the field of autism and vaccines, and also one of the most targeted by the pharmaceutical industry for the same reason. He received his medical degree from St Mary’s Hospital Medical School in 1981, and trained as a gastrointestinal surgeon with a particular interest in inflammatory bowel disease. Andrew has published over 140 papers.”

    • The autism groups I have belonged to in the past tried to raise the vaccine issue with the medical community and got nowhere. I don’t remember the details, however.

      • Minority of One says:

        “The autism groups I have belonged to in the past tried to raise the vaccine issue with the medical community and got nowhere”

        That is what Wakefield said the parents of autistic children said to him. They all tried other doctors such as their general practitioner but none were interested. Wakefield seems to have been the only one to stick his head above the parapet, which was subsequently decapitated, metaphorically speaking, at the behest of big pharma, and the medical establishment was only too happy to oblige.

        In the video, he says once they did the research and understood the issues better, they were able to reverse the autism, even years later.

        • Our son with autism is doing very well now. (Cross our fingers.)

          He does have some conversational challenges in fitting in with normal groups, but he seems to be doing OK as a programmer. He still doesn’t drive a car.

          I don’t know what treatments Wakefield used to fix the situation. Supplementing with fish oil pills seemed to help our son. Perhaps years of being part of groups, and being expected to participate on a “normal” basis, has helped as well.

  2. To enable the rosy future Dennis is talking about, we need to do away with democracy, minority rights and the rights for smaller countries to exist.

    Already, as we see, Lebanon and South Africa and other countries are being thrown under the bus. Marginal countries which only existed thanks to Woodrow WIlson’s idealistic theory that every people should have their own country will quickly die.

    Borders will exist, but they are going to be legal fictions, like police jurisdictions.

    Europe will have to be united into an empire, or at most two or three, to go anywhere, and, sorry you pro UKers, it is not going to be the neo-Mughal-Empire-at-London again.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Tunisia also seems to be suffering economic and political difficulties.

      > Tunisia coup: What’s happening and how did we get here?

      For more than a decade after the uprisings that came to be known as the Arab Spring, Tunisia held a reputation as the region’s only success story.

      But on Sunday – following days of anti-government protests – President Kais Saeid announced the suspension of parliament, sacked the prime minister and assumed executive authority in the country.

      While his supporters have seen the move as a decisive step to restoring stability in the crisis-ridden country, opposition politicians from across the political spectrum have denounced it, with Ennahda, the largest party in parliament, calling it a “constitutional coup”.

  3. Azure Kingfisher says:

    Medscape, Thursday, July 29, 2021:

    “How concerned are you about adverse events related to the vaccines? Tell us what you think – your expectations and concerns.”

    “Commenting is limited to medical professionals. To comment please log in. Commenting is moderated. See our terms of use.”

    Total comments: 934

    Latest comment, 17 hours ago:


    “Had second MODERNA vaccine on April 6th. Neurological problems began immediately but did not associate them with the vaccine. Night time spastic jerking went on only allowing at the most 2 hours of sleep, speech issues, cognitive problems made work impossible resulting in medical leave of absence, neuropathy in feet, burning sensations in both feet and lips. Three months later and seizure medication not helping, still not back at work, worst thing I have ever endured. Would not wish side effects on anyone. Sorry for everyone else’s suffering.”

    • Azure Kingfisher says:

      betty cappelletti 5 days ago

      “I, like many of you, have severe bilateral joint pain in shoulders and hips that started about 10 days after my second shot. Before the first Pfizer shot I was extremely healthy, active. No underlining conditions and I would consider myself a human energized bunny. I am not overweight, (5’, 93lbs) and exercise, run on a daily basis. The second shot was March 28, 2021. After the first shot I had the usual chills and felt a little fatigued. I am still having pain in my joints and have been told my reaction to the shot was probably because I already had antibodies – whether genetic or due to having asymptomatic COVID before the vaccine and my body is trying to fight the vaccine. I am no longer the person I was before the shots. I wish I never had the vaccine and I am a believer in being vaccinated. I am in so much pain just to lift my arms or try and raise my body from a squatting position without using something for support is almost intolerable.

      “I think this site should be published for all to read. There must be many others who thought getting vaccinated would only be a few days dealing with adverse reactions. All I hear on social media is the side effects are mild. This post indicates this is not the case.

      “Thank you for sharing your long haul side effects. They have helped me to realize I am not an outlier. That there are some major problems with mass distribution of a vaccine that had not been fully researched for long term adverse reactions/side effects.

      “My thoughts are with you all for our eventual recovery.”

      • Xabier says:

        Worth remembering that Pfizer, etc, cleverly prepped people to expect some nasty side-effects as ‘proof that it’s working’ and quite normal.

        Now, let’s reflect on the children who are known to have suffered in the trials.

        And wonder how many are falling sick as vaccination of those over 12 takes place in some countries, and is planned for all.

        • Azure Kingfisher says:

          Nancy Schort, Mar 6, 2021

          “Question: Why should anyone who is already Covid Specific IgG positive get an added vaccination when Pfizer’s Clinical Report stated there is ‘No Benefit’ to anyone who has had Covid? There have been many reports of adverse reactions by people with antibodies to Covid after vaccination. Has anyone addressed the risks other than Dr. Sarah Oliver of CDC reporting wrongly that the Pfizer clinical report claimed a benefit of the vaccination to those who have had Covid? Honesty would be appreciated for the many millions of us who have had Covid already and would like assurances that the risks are worth the reward.”

        • Fast Eddy says:

          It’s best when the children are maimed… it means the parents suffer…. ideally the child requires expensive round the clock care but the parents cannot sue the vaccine makers… so they get a double whammy… essentially their lives are ruined because one parent has to stop working to provide care for Ruined Vermin….

          This is what they deserve for Injecting Vermin.

          Save the pity for Vermin… he didn’t know any better + he has the genetics of two Donkeys in him.

    • This site also mentions another site for complaints:

      The site seems to have written stories and videos. It is trying to get help for people.

      • Azure Kingfisher says:


        • We are a large and ever growing group of Americans who were previously healthy and have been seriously injured by the COVID vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J as well as Astra Zeneca in the clinical trial stage in the United States).

        • We are pro-vaccine, pro-science and were excited for the opportunity to be vaccinated and to do our part in helping to end the pandemic.

        • We are completely independent of any other organization.

        OUR MISSION:

        • To bring awareness of these reactions to the medical community.

        • To strongly encourage transparency and acknowledgment of these vaccine reactions by the CDC and FDA, so that there can be a beginning to the discoveries and developments in the care that we, and others like us, desperately need.

        • We have NO interest or desire to discuss or dispute with anyone whether or not to be vaccinated, masked, or other issues related to the pandemic. Our message is simple and clear, to bring awareness that these reactions are happening.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Confessions of CovIDIOTS?

    • JMS says:

      Thanks for this, Azure. A passionate read, with a great dash of schadenfreude and some pity for the poor fools. Also some some good clues and info:

      Dr. Uzoma Kalu
      Jun 15, 2021
      Very concerned. A lot of the reactions are delayed by weeks or several months following the injections. In other words, the reactions are an insidious process which may not be noticeable right away and therefore will not be tied back to the vaccines. Some reactions which I’m suspicious are vacvine-related include pneumonia, pulmonary fibrosis, thrombocytopenia, and myocardial infarctions or other cardiac issues. A lot of these adverse events following vaccination are indistinguishable from COVID itself.

      • Azure Kingfisher says:

        I’ve saved the entire comment section at that site as a PDF. It goes back to February 2021 and is over 160 pages. I won’t be surprised if they take that section “private” or offline soon, as more people become aware of it.

        It could be as simple as this:

        SARS-CoV-2 is a fictional virus and the COVID-19 “pandemic” is a media-driven simulation. The purpose is to motivate the public to accept a poisonous injection that was designed to create the very symptoms purported to be caused by the fictional virus.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          If you flog it … I’ll get you a bank account for FE’s Royalties…

          He’s like (is?) God… he always needs more money.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        It must be a public holiday in DelusiSTAN today … zero activity from mikenormdunc….

        Apparently on public holidays the DelusiSTANIS spend the day with their heads buried in the sand…. followed by putting their fingers in their ears and screaming ‘I can’t hear you’…

        It’s a tradition …

      • Xabier says:

        The perfect plausible deniability strategy: although even when someone collapses within a few minutes they try to deny any link.

  4. Terry Y. says:

    Dr. Robert Malone on Twitter:

    Study- Those previously infected are at increased risk of side effects when they take vaccine.

    “prior COVID-19 infection was associated with increased risk of any side effect” as well as “increased risk of severe side effects, leading to hospital care.”


    Delta variant drives COVID-19 spread to 3 China provinces

    The article itself suggests that the disease has spread at least as far as five provinces. It was first detected at Nanjing airport in Jiangsu province. The articles says, “infections have spread to at least four other provinces.” The southwest province of Sichuan is also mentioned, as is Beijing.

    Regarding Nanjing, the article says

    The city has tested all 9.2 million residents twice as officials rush to curb the spread of the disease, he said, adding the highly contagious Delta variant is posing challenges to containment efforts.

    It also says:

    Most of the patients testing positive in the latest outbreak have already been vaccinated, raising concerns about the efficacy of vaccines against new variants.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Picking up in the China thread: This could be entertaining. I am not sure what Boris thinks that he is doing. He got chased out of Crimean waters by Putin. The last that I heard, USA said that UK could be more ‘helpful’ in the Atlantic – ie. not particularly in SE Asia. This may just be jingoism aimed at domestic vanity to boost TP poll ratings. Is UK seriously about to start a conflict with China? I seriously doubt it.

      Maybe Boris is just after a reaction so that he can ‘contribute’ to an anti-China ‘narrative’ and geopolitic – and look like a ‘player’ on the international stage like he claims to be. Biden may be cringing at this. ‘God, what is he doing?’ Chinese claims in SE Asia are limited to those that it had after WWII but it was too weak to enforce. Their main function now is as part of an anti-China narrative, which is likely what the West always had in mind – standard geopolitical games in a fundamentally amoral world.

      > Beijing threatens to ‘expel’ British warships as Big Lizzie arrives in the disputed South China Sea

      Chinese state media has said the navy will watch HMS Queen Elizabeth’s route through the South China Sea closely and will ‘expel’ any British ships that stray near islands it lays claim to.

      China has threatened to ‘expel’ British warships from parts of the South China Sea as HMS Queen Elizabeth and her carrier group arrived in the disputed waters today.

      The £3billion aircraft carrier, affectionately dubbed Big Lizzie, is set to sail through Beijing’s backyard alongside eight other vessels in a show of strength to Xi Jingping.

      But Chinese state media has warned that any vessels which stray too close to islands which it lays claim to will be ‘expelled’.

      Meanwhile a Chinese academic also told state media that ‘China welcomes friends with wine but deals with wolves with a shotgun’.

      Chinese state mouthpiece Global Times reported on Tuesday that China will also be carrying out two separate sets of military drills in the sea at the same time, warning British vessels to stay away.

      An anonymous expert told the newspaper: ‘While the Chinese military drills are not likely directly related to the UK warships, they show that the [navy] is at a high combat readiness.

      Just like US warships that intruded Chinese islands and reefs in the region, if UK vessels do the same, they will also be expelled.’

      A second anonymous expert added: ‘The [navy] will closely monitor the UK warships’ activities, stand ready to deal with any improper acts, and also see this as a chance for practice and for studying the UK’s latest warships up close.’

      • All is Dust says:

        “Biden may be cringing at this.”

        Biden doesn’t know what day of the week it is.

        But I take your point, especially given our pathetic navy. 5 out of our 6 type 45 destroyers aren’t operational. Meaning the carrier fleets don’t have adequate air defence. And is Big Lizzie the aircraft carrier the one with the planes or the one without? If I were the Chinese I would just throw a few boulders into the water and await the inevitable running aground.

    • D. Stevens says:

      Why do officials rush to curb the spread? Doesn’t it only kill the elderly and sickly? Maybe it’s my psychopathy or my neanderthal thinking but why not let it go and who cares? Could be an economic boost to clear away all that dead wood. We have bigger existential threats to deal with. This whole thing doesn’t make sense to me unless there’s some objective trying to be reached. The last time I saw such a coordinated media campaign was in the run up to the Iraq war but this one has been bigger and better. Talk about variants, cases, restrictions feels like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

      • Probably because they have other agenda items that they are interested in, such as extending eviction moratoriums.

        Biden Asks Congress to Extend Federal Eviction Moratorium
        CDC moratorium on evictions of tenants is scheduled to expire Saturday

        Ms. Psaki said the CDC moratorium was ending at a time of heightened vulnerability for tenants as the Covid-19 Delta variant continued to spread in many parts of the country, but she said congressional action was the only path forward.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Agree 100%.

        The people are dying are for all intents and purposes — already dead. All that remains for them is to suffer a few months longer… so Covid is a welcome respite for them.

        Hundreds of billions would be saved on palliative care… pensions…

        And what a relief not having to visit the Old Goats as they fester in stale urine and fetid faeces…

        What’s wrong with sending the aged into the bush on their own in winter once they become a burdern?

        Let it rip — long coffin makers…. short old-aged homes.

      • Mike Roberts says:

        Doesn’t it only kill the elderly and sickly?

        No. But are those people expendable, then?

        • Fast Eddy says:

          mike – any comment on the situation in Israel? Will you be getting the booster mike?

        • D. Stevens says:

          They can stay home, wear masks, and take whatever medications they want but leave me out of it because I have a life to live.

          • Azure Kingfisher says:

            Good point, D. Stevens. Additionally, are we really to believe that the entire global lockdown experience was carried out in order to save the lives of the elderly and sick populations?
            The global economy was shut down to protect these populations that do not contribute much, if anything, to the global economy?

  6. Yoshua says:

    Natural immunity seems to hold for most of India. There’s a new wave of Covid cases in the Indian state Kerala in the south where the antibody level is the lowest in India.

    “While Madhya Pradesh has the highest seroprevalence in India (79 per cent), Kerala figures at the bottom of the table (44.4 per cent), according to the findings of a serosurvey conducted by the Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR).”

  7. Yoshua says:

    Pfizer is testing antivirals against Covid.

    Bossche’s claim that they will start using antivirals when the virus becomes totally resistant to the vaccines…seems to come as well?

    • Why not ivermectin? It is cheap and readily available. It won’t make money for Pfizer, however.

      • geno mir says:

        You are resplying ti this query un the 1st part of this comment 🙂

      • Xabier says:

        Such shocking cynicism, Gail………..

      • Student says:

        Someone told me that WSJ published an article about Ivermectin yesterday. I don’t know if you have already seen it. Unfortunately is only for subscribers.
        From the title it seems interesting:

        • Ian says:


          “Any reader would think the FDA was warning against poison pills. In fact, the drug is FDA-approved as a safe and effective antiparasitic. ”

          “Ivermectin is on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines. Merck has donated four billion doses to prevent river blindness and other diseases in Africa and other places where parasites are common. A group of 10 doctors who call themselves the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance have said ivermectin is “one of the safest, low-cost, and widely available drugs in the history of medicine.”

          Ivermectin fights 21 viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, the cause of Covid-19. A single dose reduced the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 in cells by 99.8% in 24 hours and 99.98% in 48 hours, according to a June 2020 study published in the journal Antiviral Research.”

          “In 115 patients with Covid-19 who received a single dose of ivermectin, none developed pneumonia or cardiovascular complications, while 11.4% of those in the control group did.”

          “Despite the FDA’s claims, ivermectin is safe at approved doses. Out of four billion doses administered since 1998, there have been only 28 cases of serious neurological adverse events, according to an article published this year in the American Journal of Therapeutics. The same study found that ivermectin has been used safely in pregnant women, children and infants.

          If the FDA were driven by science and evidence, it would give an emergency-use authorization for ivermectin for Covid-19. Instead, the FDA asserts without evidence that ivermectin is dangerous.”

  8. Mirror on the wall says:

    New theories have been proposed why Neanderthals died out.

    > Did sex with modern humans kill off the Neanderthals? Interbreeding could have led to a blood disorder in their babies that helped to drive them to extinction, study claims

    Sex with modern humans may have helped drive Neanderthals to extinction because it could have have led to a blood disorder in their babies, scientists have discovered. The condition can cause potentially fatal anaemia and is often worse in second and subsequent pregnancies, meaning it would have lowered ‘reproductive success’ by limiting the number of offspring Neanderthals could have. It would also have been ‘quite common’ because of the species’ limited gene pool, researchers said, and is likely to be partly to blame for their demise.

    Scientists analysed the blood types of three Neanderthals and found that they were particularly susceptible to ‘haemolytic disease of the foetus and newborn’ (HDFN) because they carried a specific set of genetic variants. The condition is rare today and affects around three in every 100,000 pregnancies.

    ‘The fact that these forms of genes were detected in individuals separated by 4,000km and 50,000 years suggest that this genetic peculiarity — and the risk of [an] anaemic foetus — would have been quite common amongst Neanderthals,’ said Stephane Mazieres, a lead author on the paper from Aix-Marseille University.

    … The discovery could offer further clues as to what drove Neanderthals to extinction about 40,000 years ago. There are many theories as to what led to their downfall. Experts have suggested that early humans may have carried tropical diseases with them from Africa that wiped out their ape-like cousins.

    The predominant theory is that Homo sapiens killed off the species through competition for food and habitat. Homo sapiens’ superior brain power and hunting techniques meant the Neanderthals couldn’t compete. Based on scans of Neanderthal skulls, a new theory suggests the heavy-browed hominids lacked key human brain regions vital for memory, thinking and communication skills.

    That would have affected their social and cognitive abilities – and could have killed them off as they were unable to adapt to climate change.

    • Interesting!

    • Bei Dawei says:

      I demand reparations.

      • you’ll just get sticking plaster for your knuckles, and put up with it like the rest of us

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Yes, morality is just so depressing – which is actually the point of morality, to depress everyone. It is often used as a strategy to weaken others and to strengthen oneself through the use of illusions and depressive emotions. Obviously it is also used to make societies functional.

        Picking up on the recent slavery thread: Marx and Engels argued that slavery is simply an economic category like any other and that it has its ‘good’ side. Labour has been unpaid, taxed like fifes, or waged – it all depends on the material circumstances. It was early modern slavery and the rise of industrialism that made possible the abolition of slavery and the predominance of waged labour.

        Early capitalist slavery was foundational to the rise of industry, world trade, and the accumulation of capital that made the modern, prosperous world possible. It had its analogues in the metropoles in the harsh working conditions of the early capitalist period. As Nietzsche argues, cruelty is foundational to all higher civilisations. In that sense the slavers should be thanked rather than scorned. It is thanks to them that we are now able to scorn slavery from a modern material perspective.

        History is what it is, men make their own civilisation but not in conditions of their own choosing. And if one takes a materialist, determinist view of human agency then it could not, in an important sense, have been any different. Facts are necessarily so and the entire cosmos would have had to have been different, the entire eternal chain of causality altered, for slavery to have been avoided. Depressive morality is thus nihilistic and reactionary, it dirties one and subverts reason.

        > …. Slavery is an economic category like any other. Thus it also has its two sides. Let us leave alone the bad side and talk about the good side of slavery. Needless to say, we are dealing only with direct slavery, with Negro slavery in Surinam, in Brazil, in the Southern States of North America.

        Direct slavery is just as much the pivot of bourgeois industry as machinery, credits, etc. Without slavery you have no cotton; without cotton you have no modern industry. It is slavery that gave the colonies their value; it is the colonies that created world trade, and it is world trade that is the precondition of large-scale industry. Thus slavery is an economic category of the greatest importance.

        Without slavery North America, the most progressive of countries, would be transformed into a patriarchal country. Wipe North America off the map of the world, and you will have anarchy – the complete decay of modern commerce and civilization. Cause slavery to disappear and you will have wiped America off the map of nations.[*1]

        Thus slavery, because it is an economic category, has always existed among the institutions of the peoples. Modern nations have been able only to disguise slavery in their own countries [wage labour], but they have imposed it without disguise upon the New World.

        *1. This was perfectly correct for the year 1847. At that time the world trade of the United States was limited mainly to import of immigrants and industrial products, and export of cotton and tobacco, i.e., of the products of southern slave labour. The Northern States produced mainly corn and meat for the slave states. It was only when the North produced corn and meat for export and also became an industrial country, and when the American cotton monopoly had to face powerful competition, in India, Egypt, Brazil, etc., that the abolition of slavery became possible. And even then this led to the ruin of the South, which did not succeed in replacing the open Negro slavery by the disguised slavery of Indian and Chinese coolies. [Note by Frederick Engels, to the 1885 German Edition.]

        – Marx, The Poverty of Philosophy

        • Kowalainen says:

          Right, that which is needed might not always be pretty. However, it is easy to argue from a position where the effects of crazy isn’t felt.

          Furthermore there does not exist one trajectory, rather an infinite amount of them toward a desirable evolutionary alignment.

          The trick is to enjoy the process and not get too bogged down with hallucinations such as the will to power and selfless meditation, both of which just kills the creativity, comedy and drama of humanoid shenanigans.

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            Right, humans have desires, some of which are prettier than others. However, the effects of crazy sometime move us on to a fresh level of crazy that is differently aligned with desires.

            Furthermore there is only one reality and a single trajectory that it has taken, necessarily so, and all else is an hallucination, wishful thinking, the egotistical and delusional projection of subjective sentiment in opposition to the actual facts.

            The trick is to accept reality and history for what it is, not to get bogged down in illusions like free will or that the cosmos is tending toward whatever humans in their variety find ‘desirable’, both of which lead to a devaluation of all that is and detract from one’s natural instincts and the acceptance and enjoyment of the drama and nonsense of it all.

            There is no ‘promised land’, there is only what is – and it only seems crazy, ugly or nonsense through anthropomorphisation. In itself it just is.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Right, it is not possible to go back in time and “fix” things. However, one should not underestimate the power of negative feedback. Doing naive and silly shit shall induce bad touchy feels. I’m all for injury that isn’t damaging.

              A bit of drama usually leads to comedy, because ultimately as you say it is pretty much nonsensical clinging to an idea. It is better to explore an idea to its logical conclusion, get bored with it and ponder upon the next one, all while:

              Chopping wood; carrying water.

              After all; we’re a ‘slightly genetically modified’ primate species and that will by necessity carry some psychological legacy that doesn’t “scale” very well. Scalable societal systems generally require self-stabilization by innate traits of its constituents.

              Are we ‘there’ as a species. I don’t think so, however, only time will tell.

              It is what it is.

    • geno mir says:

      Another thing which added to the above is that mixed babies (neanderthal and sapiens) have bigger heads (longer circumference of the scull) and neanderthal women didn’t have as wide pelvis as the sapiens one.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Yes, the mixing of radially distinct types can lead to all sort of benefits and problems, it is like Russian roulette.

        The presence of Neanderthal genes in humans is responsible for a massive array of modern ailments, including schizophrenia, a disposition to alcoholism, tobacco, heart conditions, depression. It altered the immune system, and severe c 19 outcomes have been linked to Neanderthal genes.

        > Neanderthal DNA may account for nicotine addiction and depression

        Matching modern genetic profiles against genes known to have been inherited from Neanderthals has shown links to a wide range of current disorders

        Interbreeding 50,000 years ago between two species of human may also have bequeathed a sunburn hazard called keratosis, addiction to nicotine, and a greater risk of depression.

        That the forebears of modern Homo sapiens and the long-extinct Neanderthals lived side by side is well known: that they interbred, and that up to 4% of modern human DNA is inherited from the first Europeans, was confirmed only in 2010.

        “Our main finding is that Neanderthal DNA does influence clinical traits in modern humans,” said John Capra, an evolutionary geneticist at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee. “We discovered associations between Neanderthal DNA and a wide range of traits, including immunological, dermatological, neurological, psychiatric and reproductive diseases.”

        One of these, the researchers think, was a Neanderthal gene variant that increases blood-clotting. This would have sealed wounds more quickly, and prevented infection more easily. But in a modern western society, hyper-coagulation brings other problems, including greater risk for stroke, pulmonary embolism and pregnancy complications.

        One length of Neanderthal DNA is now linked to increased risk of nicotine addiction, and several variants influence the risk of mood disorders, including depression. As tobacco was introduced into widespread use in Europe only 400 years ago, the researchers were surprised at the number of Neanderthal genetic variants now associated with modern psychiatric and neurological disorders.

        • Kowalainen says:

          Well, I got more Neanderthal DNA than 66% of the average Joe Schmuck. Do I feel depressed? No. Do I slap in a moist snuff? Yes. However, my youth was quite awful thanks to the meddling and brain washing of and by the herd perpetrated by the usual narrative peddler suspects.


          How about no? And FU? 🤔
          Muppets gonna muppet.

          I’d say depression is a sign of sanity.

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            It is not so much the proportion of NDNA that is you but the particular genes that you have inherited which varies from descendant to descendant. A massive array of ailments is not good, however you spin it. It is always awful to be raised by the herd if you are not of the herd but most are. It is probably good to explore how you feel about it in order to better understand who you are and your relation to the herd – and to face up to it all in all of its trauma. Eventually you may get to the point where you accept all that was, is and will be as facts not only of your own life but of reality itself. The herd is what it is and you are what you are, and the awfulness of it was inevitable. Feelings can be helpful to self-realisation and acceptance but depression is generally not a good a thing, it is something to be overcome. It is not a blessing to be simply genetically disposed to low spirits. It is unbecoming to get depressed about the herd, they are their own concern.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Yes, that is pretty much the conclusion I have drawn too. Sometimes that which what you need isn’t what you want.

              However, can things be done differently, yes. Now; is it possible to go back in time, obviously no.

              For sure the specifics of Neanderthal inheritance is of importance and obviously carrying more of it likely increases the possibility of expression.

              The herd isn’t necessarily a bad thing as long as it is aware of its shortcomings. After all; we’re limited in our own capability. For example, we only got some 20W of processing power in between our deaf ears and myopic eyes. Assume only 0.1W of those computations is of any curiosity, then the total Internet connected ‘biological’ biomass and ‘synthetic’ silicone/software that does actual discovery is a rather formidable wattage.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              “The herd isn’t necessarily a bad thing as long as it is aware of its shortcomings.”

              The herd is neither good or bad in itself, it just is. One is either herd or one is not, and the degree that is true will structure one’s perspective. No perspective is ‘true’, that is not what a perspective is.

              The purpose of the herd is to make a society functional. Whether that society is itself worthwhile is a non-herd perspective. The herd conforms to its society, it does not question it. It is non-herd to ask what the purpose of a society might be, if anything, and to oneself propose the purpose of it. The herd will often take itself as the purpose and question society on that basis.

              But the non-herd need not be concerned with society at all. That too is a herd concern. The non-herd has no responsibility for the herd or its society, which is itself a herd trait. And the inclination to propose a purpose for society may itself be a longing to assimilate into a herd. The shepherd is a part of the herd.

              Societies are factual however, they are what they are, and that raises the question of one’s relation to the herd. Herds are bred for exploitation. One then can choose to exploit the herd to one’s own benefit, but that may involve playing the herd game in an unacceptably herd manner.

              Or one can choose to benefit from the herd in so far as it provides a society in which one can do one’s own thing in detachment from herd ways. One then leaves the herd to its own devices. The herd is substratum and it can be approached as such in different ways.

              The non-herd has no concern for the herd per se or for its society. It is nothing per se to the non-herd whether the herd continues to exist or not or in what condition, that is a herd concern. If the herd severely reduces its numbers, as it seems set to do now, then that is its lookout not that of the non-herd per se.

              The non-herd ought rightly to be in a position where it does not care at all about the herd and its herd ways bar in so far as it affects oneself. Then the rise and fall of its civilisations are nothing per se to the non-herd. So, if you are non-herd then you utilise the herd if only by avoiding it, and it is nothing per se to one. The herd is what it is and it is not going anywhere until or unless it does.

            • Kowalainen says:

              My observations as an engineer is that I identify with that which I create. In some way it becomes a reflection of myself. ‘A mirror sheen on the milled aluminum part’ of that which I am, if you pardon the reference upon your alias? 🙃

              The same conclusion can be drawn with regards to the herd as it is influenced by external forces (narrative peddling) and crafts its own (sub)conscious state of affairs. Of course the shepherd is at risk of getting high on its own product. As in identifying with the rapacious primate shenanigans. Worse even; taking pity. While nothing wrong with that, rather amusing and lovely.

              After all; a primate is a primate. The same with domesticated wolves (dogs). For sure they have been bred to observe humans and respond to our whims and shenanigans. Still, the dog gotta do dog things to feel happy about its existence. Thus;

              Chop wood; carry water; be a nice bloke.

              The problem with growing up in the ‘oppression’ of the herd is the mundane concepts and ideas it flies. It becomes boring rather fast. It might come off as rather elitist. I just don’t know how to express it in another way.

              I’d like to think that the internet is such a relief. There is always someone to discuss observations and outrageous ideas with.

              Not sure if I made any sense?

    • Xabier says:

      Today, standardised state education and too much social media consumption have much the same effect on mental ability.

      Humans without much memory or reasoning ability, and only the most primitive communication skills, leaving them ill-equipped to comprehend and adapt to novel circumstances.

      • lol

        too right

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Yes, I am not convinced that human societies generally include a high IQ mass that is given to critical thinking. Historically, societies tend not to be structured that way. Modern schooling seems to be mainly about equipping young adults to conform to bourgeois social norms and to function in a productive manner. An issue may be that what we think of as a ‘normal’ IQ actually is not that high – but it is high enough for this sort of society and for the roles that most people perform in them. Frankly people with little schooling function fine in many roles in this society. UK generally is not a high skill economy, hardly any are.

        Democracy is mainly an illusion, the masses have very little, if any, influence over policies – especially as a society like ours tends anyway toward a one-party state, two at most. It is uncommon for ‘populists’ to have any influence. We would not worry about such things as the commonality of critical thought in most historical settings. If anything, societies have bred it out, and bred in conformity – the ‘sheep’, which is how human societies tend to function. But it is what it is, and such a substratum may be necessary in most, maybe all, societies, as there are always many tasks to be performed that require repetition and a settled satisfaction with the everyday, while critical skills are less commonly needed. It may be that modern ‘democracy’ rests on illusions of mass intelligent agency that can lead to dissatisfaction. I suspect that UK ‘leaders’ do not have a clue what they are doing either.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        A friend of M Fast got caught in a scheme and lost all his savings… not sure the details but he first ‘invested’ a small amount of money — got the promised return… so he had at least one more go at it with small money involved… eventually he was convinced this was a no lose situation and put down the whole wad…. we know how this ends.

        M Fast urged him not to do this… but you cannot fix stooooopidity (as we see day in and day out on OFW)…. the guy is currently unemployed… so is unable to pay the bills….

        Kinda like buying Bitcoin at 60k….

        • Investing / fin bets, based on highly educated guess or frivolous stupidity are still mere bets, so they pan out eventually or not.. on their own volition (and factors unknowable).

          Similarly, complete bozos made fortunes buying TSLA bellow ~20bux a decade ago or ~negatively priced industrial commodities just last year before the stimulus re-bounce and mushrooming shortages..

          Also, there were people loosing money on the Trampo x Bidet race, while all the usual signs screamed sure win: pulling large crowds, media attention and viewership, etc. And in the end the “blackbox” just churned out the proper pre-selected result.

          • Kowalainen says:

            People seriously believe in voting in an era with rampant h@x0ring.

            It is rather sad.

    • Bill Gaede has a different opinion. He says the Neanderthals died out 10,000 before humans and even if they met they were not peoples the humans would have mated.

  9. Yoshua says:

    The Delta wave infected 100’s of millions in India.

    “A national survey shows 68% of Indians have SARSCoV2 antibodies, compared to 25% in January and 1% last spring. That’s why cases and deaths plunged so fast since May, even though few Indians are vaccinated.” Alex Berenson

  10. Fast Eddy says:

    Robert W Malone, MD
    This is cruical information, if true. Increased titers in previously vaccinated individuals is precisely what one would predict during the waning phase of the immunity post vaccination if antibody dependent enhancement was occurring.

    towards the bottom of the page


    • Alex says:

      If you get through the manipulative clickbait introduction, the article doesn’t say anything shocking:

      “Federal health officials still believe fully vaccinated individuals represent a very small amount of transmission,” the report continued. “Still, some vaccinated people could be carrying higher levels of the virus than previously understood and potentially transmit it to others.”

      • Fast Eddy says:

        So why did they pull the article?

        If you put this together with the situation in Israel … then we know where the US is headed… remember – Israel was the first to roll the vaccines out… it’s a 6 month or so lag before the serious problems start…

        Bossche predicted ALL of this .. and more

        “NBC News, citing unnamed officials aware of the decision, reported it comes after new data suggests vaccinated individuals could have higher levels of virus and infect others amid the surge of cases driven by the delta variant of the coronavirus,” the USA Today reported in a passage that was later scrubbed from an article.

      • Rodster says:

        “Federal health officials still believe“

        Right, good call, like they have a smidgen of credibility left.

        • Alex says:

          They don’t. But then why make a sensation when these non-credible people make such a vague statement like “some vaccinated people could be carrying higher levels of the virus THAN PREVIOUSLY UNDERSTOOD and potentially transmit it to others?”

          • Crazy Pills says:

            People are quicker to jump to the worst conclusion when they are stressed, new research suggests.

            A new study indicates that when under stress people reach undesirable conclusions based on weaker evidence than when they are relaxed.

            The findings suggest that stress can make people more likely to conclude the worst scenario is true.


          • Rodster says:

            Because they i.e. those pushing the Covid hysteria keep changing the rules and moving the goal posts. One day it’s do this, the next week it’s do that. We have medical professionals who are calling out the Covid BS but have been silenced by the Gov’t, MSM and Social Media. So eventually you begin to realize it’s a hoax because when you do that, you are trying to hide things. They are not allowed to offer their professional medical views and opinions.

            The numbers on the global and national scale heavily suggest this is “all-theatre”. You know like Colin
            Powell holding a bag of white powder and convincing the dumbasses that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was going to immediately attack the United States.

            When guys like Tony Fauci who tells you masks don’t work against Covid, then tells you to wear a mask, then tells you to wear two masks or a ridiculous face shield. The mind F#ckery begins to add up.

            This is the same Clown who wants to be referred to as “The Science”. It appears by some accounts that The Science has never practiced a day of medicine in his life. The Science has some monetary skin in the game as he has rights to at least one of the vaccine patents and by some accounts The Science was visiting the Wuhan Lab prior to the outbreak.

            The Science in the beginning of the Scam-demic was telling everyone that we should social distance at least 6ft and we must wear a mask. Shortly after he was photographed in attendance at a Washington Nationals baseball game sitting between his wife and a friend with his mask down laughing it up.

  11. Fast Eddy says:

    Encouragingly, popular resistance to the new measures is growing. Anecdotally, many bars and restaurants are refusing to check health passes. A railworkers’ union has told its members not to check passengers’ health passes and has promised to strike if any of its members are sacked for not having one themselves. A Lyons hospital is going on indefinite strike from Thursday to protest against the pass, and the compulsory-vaccination-in-all-but-name of its staff.

    • Xabier says:

      ‘Covid would have been worse!’ Ha!

      These noble vaxxed souls took the risk for the sake of all of us. We salute them on their journey to Hades!

    • Needless to say, the article doesn’t tell us when he was vaccinated.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        That’s not allowed… can’t have athletes dying from the Injection … bad PR

  12. Fast Eddy says:

    SYDNEY, July 29 (Reuters) – Australia’s biggest city Sydney posted a record one-day rise in local COVID-19 cases on Thursday and warned the outbreak would get worse, as authorities sought military help to enforce a lockdown of 6 million people poised to enter its sixth week.

    If it looks and smells like martial law….

    Just finishing this … and thinking … they have zero recourse with the vaccine companies

    • Xabier says:

      Citizens could easily overwhelm the police and military – peacefully, I wish to emphasise -if they only acted in unison.

      If we would all just smash our i-phones, they’d have to go back to the drawing board.

      The chains of the slaves have never been so easily removed…..

      Having a nice time here, unmasked in shops, buying from all sorts with cash, and I feel they are happy to see a human face….even my ugly hairy mug.

      But I am often the only unmasked person in a whole store. At least the zombies aren’t trying to eat me, not yet…..

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Quite a number of times I was in the middle of crowds of hundreds of thousands during the HK protests… although they confronted the police with petrol bombs at the end of the day they know (some told me) they fear the police — because the police have guns and if they are in danger they will not hesitate to shoot.

        I was nearby when this happened…

        It would of course be a different story if the people were heavily armed… like Americans…

        • Minority Of One says:

          What % of Americans own guns?

          • Rodster says:

            There are currently over 350 million guns (registered). It’s anyones guess how many are unregistered.

            • Minority Of One says:

              So how many households have a gun – all / most / a few of them?

              When I was working in California for a few months in 1997, no-one I knew had a gun. But maybe times have changed.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Snowflakes would not have guns… there are loads of snowflakes.

              If the CEP fails… they will be the first to pay the price.

            • Rodster says:

              No one really knows and that’s what the Gov’t fears the most, the unknown. They have made a concerted effort to ban guns which the Constitution does not allow.

          • Malcopian says:

            In the USA, it’s illegal NOT to own a gun. You are allowed to shoot two people a week for target practice.

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              what % of Americans who commit a crime with a gun are legal gun owners?

              I bet it’s close to zero %.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            More than enough

          • Karl says:

            “Thirty-two percent of U.S. adults say they personally own a gun, while a larger percentage, 44%, report living in a gun household. Adults living in gun households include those with a gun in their home or anywhere on their property.”

            I’ve actually got a bunch, though I don’t shoot them all that much. The hunting rifles interest me more, but I have some assault rifles too. Mostly because I know the government doesn’t want me to have them.

  13. James says:

    I found this video clip to be pretty informative. The hidden ingredient of the injection does seem to be graphene. At least the fall of Rome involved external enemies. In the case of Western democracies they’re having us inject ourselves with a poison (to save our lives) from a largely fictitious and manufactured viral threat. A nice, clean, premeditated lethal injection.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      A way to discredit people who are attempting to expose conspiracies… is to release all sorts of ridiculous conspiracies to muddy the waters….

      • yup

        when Bezos ‘gets back’ from the moon and says he found nobody else’s footprints, and no bits of moonkit lying around, so he must have been the first man there, who is going to disprove what he says?

        Or dispute that he ever went there in the first place?

        After all—with $200bn in loose change, it’s possible to buy a lot of co-conspirators. I’d certainly lie like crazy for a share.

        If Bezos and Musk do a double moontrip, then they can back each other up on the fakery.

        which would make it twice as believable.

        I wonder if they’ve thought of that.

        • Hush… Dennis will have an epiphany from it

        • Tim Groves says:

          News Flash!!

          Norman and Eddy actually agree on something!!!!

          Read all about it!!

          • I confess

            I can be bought

            only the price is up for dispute

            • Kowalainen says:

              Isn’t seeking the dispute a prize in itself?

              Clubs of mutual admiration and back slappery…


            • Mirror on the wall says:


              Where you been?

            • Kowalainen says:

              Mirror, some drama and comedy (in that order) IRL followed by a shocking amount of lazy and obscene amount of music listening. Pretty much loads of house and chill step (after some of your recommendations).

              Apart from that the usual harassing of some unfortunate schmucks at other forums (poor sods tilting out to my amusement) and the usual halfwitted and obnoxious YT commentary of mine.

              You know my schtick by now, don’t you?

              How about you? Anything new on your playlist you’d like to share?

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              I have this album on repeat tonight, early jungle/ drum and bass tracks from Formation Records EPs from 91-93 as DB first emerged out of the breakbeat hardcore scene. I generally listen to the latest releases for their sound quality but it is interesting to mine the foundations. The tracks are all on YT and linked on here. I got the release in FLAC from


    • Xabier says:

      Plans for graphene clothing are apparently afoot …. maybe some connection?

      • stay away from 5g masts

        • Fast Eddy says:

          norm… any thoughts on the ‘95% efficacy’….

          Are you going to get the Booster?

      • Kowalainen says:

        Graphene/carbon fiber reinforced materials for the win. I mean, in the frame of your bicycle. Cotton, ABS, wool, Lycra and nylon for your convenience to deal with the sweats, hurts and oh noes as your heart goes full tilt and threatens to jump out of your chest.

        Its all good.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Former Pfizer employee Karen Kingston talks about Graphene oxide in Covid-19 shots.
      From the first part of the talk, there are four kinds of lipids, including PEGylated lipids, which are present in the Pfizer and some other COVID-19 injectables. They (the lipds? or the shots? contain graphene oxide, which is poisonous. These PEGlated lipid paricles are made by a company called Sinopeg located in China. These particles act as a protective “bisophere” for the injected mRNA, which cannot survive “naked” in the environment of the human body.

      Graphene oxide is four times stronger than titanium and can withstand temperatures up to 1700 degrees Farenheit. It can conduct electricity and it can take on a positive charge. If it becomes positively charged while inside the human body, it can cause a great deal of damage and possibly death, depending on where it is. It is being used because it conducts electricity.

      Karen says the Covid-19 vaccines are bioweapons. She understands the cognitive dissonance that most people suffer when confronted with such claims, comparing it to someone, when they have a spouse that’s cheating on them and there is tons of evidence but they are not going to believe it. “All your trusted advisors tell you this thing is safe, everything on the media says it’s safe . . . and when someone comes along and says ‘no, it’s actually lethal and it’s a planned genocide, it’s impossible to believe.”

      IMHO, this lady is on the level. If not, she’s a bloody good actress. That doesn’t mean she’s correct about everything, but she is not being deliberately dishonest. This interview is 25 minutes long and is well worth watching to the end.

      • It sounds like this is something that could be easily verified.

        Also, is this a Pfizer only story, or does it affect all of the other vaccine makers? I can’t imagine it would. If it affects only the Pfizer vaccine, it will only explain the difference (if any) in reactions to the Pfizer vaccine, compared to the other vaccines.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        When we sold our Bali property … a wealthy Indonesian Chinese guy expressed interest… he dropped by a few times… never made an offer … and one time he said ‘you can trust me … I am seriously interested’…

        We held the property through a nominee — the nominee informed me that Chinese guy approached him with a low ball offer (basically the value of what we paid for the land — no house) + nice commission … fortunately my nominee was a stand-up guy and told the Chinese guy to take a hike

        I am reminded of this story .. whenever I hear Biden or Fauci claim the vaccine is completely safe and effective.

        BTW — if I could pay someone to exterminate the Chinese guy — with 100% certainty that it would never blow back on me…. I’d actually have no problem with that…. in fact I’d put a bottle of Champagne on ice.. in anticipation …. You see.. I am all about consequences… without them people just keep doing the same things over and over and over….

  14. Fast Eddy says:

    Another viewer says he got AstraZeneca for his first dose and Moderna for the second dose. He wants to know if he can get a third shot of Moderna because he wants to travel, and some countries do not recognize mixing and matching vaccines.

    De Villa: I will say that, and again, still not yet a definitive answer on this. We know that this is an issue, certainly way above my paygrade if we can describe it that way. This is something that I know our federal partners are actively looking at. And this is a concern, not only for us as a nation, but frankly, for nations all over the world.

    So, there are conversations happening to try to get to some degree of standardization so that movement can resume. We know that lots of people want to engage in leisure travel, and of course, there is work or essential travel that has to continue. It would be very helpful as the international community sort of wraps their heads around this to figure out what a standard method is. And what we will use as international standards to demonstrate appropriate coverage with the COVID-19 vaccine. So, I’ll have to ask the viewers to stay tuned and please know that this question is one that people are fully aware of and actively engaging.

    Oh what the hell… just get two of each — and also get two of the Sino vax… and once Cuba launches their vax I’d recommend two of those as well….

    Then of course it’s always a good idea to get the Boosters when they come out… because you never know!!!

    This is such a f789ing joke

  15. Fast Eddy says:

    CP24: Before COVID-19, kids already need to show proof of vaccination to go to school. Shouldn’t it be easy to identify at least children’s vaccination status? At least from an educational perspective, we should know which children are vaccinated, and that part of it should seem to be mandatory.

    De Villa: Well, and again, I think we’ll look forward for sure to hearing what’s in the educational plan put forward by our provincial counterparts. I know that there has been much discussion on this. And certainly, a lot of thought and reflection has gone into this. So, we’ll look forward to seeing their plans and certainly know that there are many of us who are absolutely committed to doing the very best we can to create those safe environments within our schools.

    We know how important that in-person education is to our children. That’s been proven time and time again through the available science and research. So, again, what can we do? The more we are able to control disease transmission within our community, the vaccine being a key part of that, the better able we will be to ensure a safe school environment for our children to return to this fall.

    De Villa: That is an excellent question, and I think one for which we may have to wait until we see that provincial plan until we know the full answer. Clearly, knowing the vaccination status of individuals, both staff and students will have some clear advantages. Certainly, if there is a case within the school, it is much, much easier to manage from a local public health perspective when you know who is fully vaccinated and who isn’t.

    And therefore, who’s at greater risk, especially when we’re talking about something like the Delta variant, which we know through all the reports right now, is clearly far riskier when we’re talking about somebody who is not yet vaccinated. So again, I cannot say enough how important it is that people go and get vaccinated.

    They’re safe. They’re effective. And there are hundreds of thousands of us who are now enjoying the protection of these vaccines. It is truly if you’ve had that experience, it feels really great to have the protection afforded by the vaccine. I encourage people to go out and seek that opportunity for themselves if they haven’t already done so.

    Ooooh… sounds like a truly awesome experience except for and of course we’ve seen what’s happening in Israel and the Injected are now flocking to hospitals as they get infected with Covid.

  16. rufustiresias999 says:

    Some US states have electricity supply issues and must restrain demand? This is odd seen from old Europe : states regulations to restrain business and free entreprise ?

    Without gaming PCs, How will young men escape from gloom reality of this world?

    • I can see why California and Hawaii would try to limit the electricity draw of gaming system. Both of them have very high-priced electricity. Some of Hawaii’s electricity is generated by oil, because other fuels are impractical in Hawaii. That makes it terribly expensive.

      California has a more general problem with electricity. It tries to get the electricity it needs through imports. It doesn’t work too well. Also, it uses a lot of intermittent renewables.

      One question I would have is, “If there is a shortage of semiconductor chips, should they be going to the gaming industry?” I suppose the profit margin is high there. These are much fancier chips than the ones going into vehicles, which seem to be in especially short demand.

  17. Fast Eddy says:

    Sean Penn Line In Sand: Won’t Return To Watergate Series ‘Gaslit’ Unless All Cast & Crew Get Mandatory Covid Vaccinations

  18. Fast Eddy says:

    WHEN the NHS suspended GP Dr Sam White without pay for daring to question the Covid narrative, they thought he would meekly disappear. Thankfully he didn’t, because the lack of debate from doctors over draconian measures the country has endured unnecessarily has been deafening. Instead, he took legal advice and his solicitor fired off a 23-page letter to the chief executive of the NHS, Sir Simon Stevens.

    The colour must have drained from Stevens’s face when he opened it, even more so now as it has been made public and read over a million times. It began: ‘Please treat this letter as a public interest disclosure or whistle blow in that it raises allegations of alleged criminal conduct and breach of legal obligations by those leading the Covid response.’

    • One of the allegations:

      ‘Bill Gates and his charitable foundation are significant investors in Moderna. Many of those presenting the information to the public are associated with or employed directly or indirectly by organisations who have been financially funded by the Gates Foundation. The MHRA, the UK regulatory body approving the vaccines, has itself been funded [£1million donation] by the Gates Foundation.’

  19. Fast Eddy says:

    It seems that reducing population is not a viable solution to Gerbilswar-ming:

    Chinese City Offers Cash Handouts To Incentivize More Childbirths Amid Demographic Crisis

    Back to the drawing board herbie and the Green Groopies….

    • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

      Ed, some decades ago I realized that these measures were fruitless…nothing new here, Ed.
      Agree with Gail 100%, the population will crash, but not with our intent…regardless of your fantasy CEP or not….it’s a J curve and in biology the ending is always the same!

      • Fast Eddy says:

        If nothing can be done about it … why do you think the MSM bleats on about it … and why does the MSM urge a transition to EVs and solar… when they are obviously not a solution.

        And why doesn’t the MSM bleat on about overpopulation …

        • Herbie Ficklestein says:

          Mister Obvious here….it makes them appear they are in control and can dictate the direction of the outcome of these issues.
          I agree 100% with Gail, most of these will have marginal impact on the network.
          As the Climate crisis further creates more havoc and collapse in sectors, those in power will point to these projects, even though more and more greenhouse emissions are being emitted into the atmosphere. There is no way out until the fat lady sings.
          You and your fellow commentators are doing the public policy creators an immense unintentional aid by creating doubt….
          Doubt here equals division and the power structure number one rule …Divide and Control!
          We will muddle along and now I am hearing of other fantasy schemes such as mirror reflection and engineering…

          • Fast Eddy says:

            yes of course herbie… yes of course..

            This is what an unsophisticated mind would conclude…

            • Herbie Ficklestein says:

              Sure, Ed, you are Mister Sophistication.
              sophistication (n.)
              early 15c., “use of sophistry; fallacious argument intended to mislead; adulteration; an adulterated or adulterating substance,” from Medieval Latin sophisticationem (nominative sophisticatio), noun of action from past-participle stem of sophisticare “adulterate, cheat quibble

  20. Fast Eddy says:

    Pfizer Boob Job – Women Are Claiming Their Breasts Got Bigger After Having Pfizer COVID Vaccine

    This will definitely be more effective than free donuts

  21. Fast Eddy says:

    “This predictable electric cars fiasco highlights the intrinsic problem with green targets” – We are heading for a giant national breakdown – though it will conveniently come after the current crop of cabinet ministers has departed, writes Ross Clark in the Telegraph.

  22. Fast Eddy says:

    No camels?

    Govt Of Tunisia Toppled After Violent COVID-19 Protests

    July 27, 2021
    Tunisia’s president has sacked the PM and suspended parliament becoming the first government in the world toppled in the wake of nationwide violent mass COVID-19 protests.

  23. Fast Eddy says:


    • Tim Groves says:

      That is a must-view-must-listen two minutes.

      It looks like Dunc and Norm got off very lightly from their jabs.
      Apart from a teensy-weensy bit of senile dementia, they are both doing fine.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        “They Don’t Want to See People Like Us”

        In a Highwire exclusive, Del sits down with three healthcare workers who were on the frontline of Covid vaccine rollouts in America. In a candid and emotional interview, the three women go back to the day they received their vaccine, the severe reactions they endured starting just days after, and the complete denial the medical community has towards the groundswell of injured people looking for help.

        • Xabier says:

          Vernon Coleman made an excellent video on how medics have always tended to deny adverse effects, even deaths, caused by their prescriptions.

          So many years of training, so much inherent arrogance in the profession, only to maim or kill; of course they have to go into denial.

          This is why the vaxxes were such a brilliant strategy: they could count on the silence – if not complicity – of most of the medical profession, while the public still for some reason trust those in white coats and blue tunics. Excellent psychology!

      • postkey says:

        “New research has found the Oxford vaccine has a similar safety profile to Pfizer
        You’re more likely to get a blood clot from Covid than from a vaccine
        Regulators understood that the benefits of vaccines outweigh the risks, . . . “

        • All is Dust says:

          The issue is no one can quantify the statement “benefits outweigh the risks”. It is simply a statement of medical fraud. We don’t know all of the risks (or how often they occur), but we know they are growing by the day. Dr. Malone just did a video where he sees evidence of ADE in the jabbed. Why are people so insistent on committing acts of self-harm? I just can’t get my head around that. Please value your own lives.

          • nikoB says:

            Dr Malone Link?

          • With the Elders intentionally wrecking all of our social structures, it’s conceivable that people have internalized that there really isn’t much left to “live for”.

            Churches and pubs are closed. People can’t travel to see their families. We’re being indoctrinated to treat one another with suspicion. Trust no one. All institutions have been corrupted from within. It’s worse than “you will own nothing”.. you will BE nothing.

            There is no more “belonging”.

            At least if you get the jab, you “belong”. You can see how they’ve neatly “kettled” us into this situation.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Create a living hell… then they’ll welcome the final act of the CEP… Fear + Despair make for a Suicidal Cocktail

            • Kowalainen says:

              Removing the cattle from the herd will likely create some misery. Although; I must say: What’s all the hoopla regarding the ‘pandemic’ anyway?

              Perhaps I’m oblivious to the suck is heading my way in a big time. However, not seen much of that so far.

              Is it just me? 🤔

        • Xabier says:

          It’s an evasion of the core issue.

          The vaxxes should NOT in any circumstances be causing blood clots in the first place!

          Unsafe and ought to be withdrawn.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        How do you like that video mikenormdunc?

  24. Fast Eddy says:

    IM Doc
    July 24, 2021 at 8:19 pm
    You are very correct on how you did the numbers.

    And this type of wide variation is to be expected in the real world – that is the way it goes. And another very severe confounding issue is the absolute gigantic chasm of numbers between these two data sets. I am in a very small area with a very small N. LA is gigantic. So theoretically, the LA numbers would have a much higher statistical power. However, there are an infinite number of confounding variables that must be taken into account in a side to side comparison. I have chills when I hear the media making all these god-like pronouncements about this place or the other. It is just very difficult to compare apples to oranges and they really should not be making blanket statements about every locality based on numbers coming from just one. This habit has been yet another bad side effect of our sterilization of the local health departments and the dependence on one centralized center.

    The other issue left off your calculations is the number of people who are very ill and suffering at home. This is not a small number. I know this for a fact because there are about 10 patients on our call list that are COVID positive and very sick and we call them twice daily. They refuse to be in the hospital, largely for financial reasons. That is almost certainly an issue in LA as well.

    Another possible confounding issue is if there is a much larger group of younger people who are not nearly as likely to be admitted whether vaccinated or not in either LA or here. The demographics and the attitudes of different age groups vary widely between different parts of the country.

    The vaccine efficacy of 61% in my area is much closer to what is being experienced in Israel right now for what it is worth.

    And thank you for the efforts to do these numbers – you should be a medical student.

    One other little pearl to think about. ANYTIME anyone in medicine reports a 100% rate of anything – assume they are lying until proven otherwise. I would assume that to be the case in every field. There is no such thing as perfection.

    When the LA report came out last week that their hospital admissions were 399 and all 399 were unvaccinated, I knew right off the bat that they were lying. That just does not happen in medicine. These people need to find better liars. For instance, if they had said 356 were unvaccinated, which is still a respectable number, I would not have raised an eyebrow. But they went for the gold, and earned hundreds of hilarious comments in my doctor’s forum that evening. The average physician in America who is hip deep into these tragedies is really getting tired of all the shenanigans.

  25. Fast Eddy says:

    IM Doc
    July 24, 2021 at 11:12 am

    Yes – these are all true – however – this was a case series – never meant to be a definitive discourse on that issue. If you read what I said – this is a possible signal. Nothing is confirmed. But a very important one. And certainly goes right along with what I am seeing. And a huge swath of my colleagues.The health departments across America should be watching for this right now. But we are not even counting vaccinated positives yet.

    There are now press reports showing up about one vaccinated individual being a superspreader person among other vaccinated and unvaccinated. And this goes right to the debate of masking and mitigation. Unfortunately it is also a very important issue for the vaccination of kids in school issue. You have to assume that all the breakthrough cases are all spreading virus – and they have been told not to mask. So they are just walking around everywhere sharing the wealth. Furthermore, if there is even a chance that they may be carrying around a higher viral load – that must be investigated fully. It would in normal times completely change the operating procedure. But again – we are not even counting breakthroughs right now.

    In my local area this week, we had a report from the Health Department head about our case numbers. I was on tele because I am in quarantine. It became immediately apparent that they have two books – one with the breakthroughs and one without – Let’s just say they are only sharing one to the public – and I think you know which one. The numbers with the breakthrough cases were very similar to this paper. The media is not really running this down.

  26. Fast Eddy says:

    They have run out of CovIDIOTS

    I find those child vaccination rates out of Canada impossible to believe — parents I know say no way – even though they’ve had the Injections themselves

  27. davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

    ” Four Washington Nationals’ players and eight staffers have tested positive for COVID-19, forcing Major League Baseball to postpone their game against the Phillies on Wednesday night.

    The postponement came one day after Nationals star Trea Turner exited the game against Philadelphia in the first inning following his positive test for the virus.

    Washington manager Dave Martinez said Turner was among four players who tested positive. He didn’t identify the others.

    “I’m just worried about the guys, I really am,” Martinez said. “It’s been a tough go; this doesn’t make it any easier.”

    Martinez said all but one of those who tested positive have been vaccinated. Those who tested positive have either no symptoms or minor symptoms, such as a head cold, the manager said. Martinez believes the fact they are vaccinated has prevented or limited symptoms.

    “I encourage people to get vaccinated,” Martinez said. “It does help. I’m seeing it firsthand. It’s basically a small head cold, but they’re doing fine.”

    So……. get jabbed because you’ll more likely get sick than the unjabbed but it won’t be worse than a head cold.
    And I’m wondering, do they all have a common cold virus but they tested positive for covid because the tests can’t differentiate between covid or flus or common colds?

    • Mike Roberts says:

      Evidence that you’re more likely to get sick? An anecdote that 11 out of 12 people in the group being considered had the vaccination is not evidence of that claim.

      • Tim Groves says:

        Evidence that these “vaccines” are not vaccines.

        A vaccine is currently defined as” a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

        According to the CDC, COVID-19 tests are available that can test for current infection or past infection.

        A viral test tells you if you have a current infection. Two types of viral tests can be used: nucleic acid amplification tests (NAATs) and antigen tests.
        An antibody test (also known as a serology test) might tell you if you had a past infection. Antibody tests should not be used to diagnose a current infection.

        WHO COVID-19: Case Definitions
        Updated in Public health surveillance for COVID-19, published 16 December 2020

        Confirmed Case of COVID-19
        A. A person with a positive Nucleic Acid Amplification Test (NAAT)
        B. A person with a positive SARS-CoV-2 Antigen-RDT AND meeting either the probable case definition or suspect criteria A OR B
        C. An asymptomatic person with a positive SARS-CoV-2 Antigen-RDT who is a contact of a probable or confirmed case

        If these players were found “positive” through NAAT, then they officially have Covid-91, meaning that these “vaccines” have not provided immunity to Covid 19.

        Therefore, they are not vaccines.


  28. Fast Eddy says:

    The crazy, convoluted, mixed up messaging from the CDC – it’s been this way from the beginning of the pandemic until now – has taken yet another turn. Now the CDC is recommending masks not just for the unvaccinated but for the vaccinated too. This is supposedly because of the discovery that the variant known as Delta is making an end-run around the vaccines, causing not only infections but infectious spread.

    So we have an odd situation developing. The layperson’s understanding of a vaccine is that it protects a person against infection, like measles or smallpox. In other words, you won’t get Covid, exactly as President Biden accidentally and apparently inaccurately said in a press conference last week. That is apparently untrue in this case. That realization seemed to dawn on people only a few weeks ago, as reports from Israel revealed that half the new infections listed were with people who had been fully vaccinated.

    A borderline CovIDIOT is looking at this message and thinking..hmmm… what’s the point of being Injected…

    As Bossche says — it’s already too late… the Black Death is breeding as I type… just a matter of time now…

    We’ll be getting some headlines in the next few months informing us how the Delta has morphed into a nightmare situation … unvaxxed likely take a hit … stay tuned for overwhelmed hospitals and morgues 🙂

    What we are seeing is only the beginning … the first phase is the virus strengthens after meeting the Injection …

  29. Fast Eddy says:

    ZH should be shut down … this is the sort of thing that makes its rounds and discourages CovIDIOCY

    Hey duncnormmike… if you had read that pre Injection .. would you still have gone ahead?

  30. Fast Eddy says:


    What is being UP with This fellas…??????

    California Counties See COVID Cases Rising In Most Heavily Vaccinated Counties

  31. Fast Eddy says:

    Looks like they won’t strike over being forced to Lethally Inject… they only strike for more money so they can buy More Stuff!!

    MoooooRE….. Onnnnnns.

    As the Biden administration prepares to make vaccines mandatory for all federal workers, and the CDC Director hints at ‘health passes’ to be able to function in society, the nation’s largest union boss says that the AFL-CIO supports mandatory vaccines for workers.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Hahahaha… did they ask all the Doomie Preppers with the massive underground food storage bunkers up Bendemeer way?

      I know of one place that has over $200,000 of cameras… and a double entrance …

      These mega wealthy fellas… are as lost as everyone else…

      NZ will be no different than any other place when the electricity goes off (try running the dams and grid without spare parts etc…)….

      We might last a little longer than other places .. but 4000 spent fuel ponds will send us a nasty gift…. just takes a bit longer to arrive

      • Kowalainen says:

        And upon seeing the aftermath of total societal collapse.

        Let them with a crania full of screws rattling loose with a torque wrench nowhere to be found:


    • So, NBC news is reporting that vaccinated people may be spreading COVID-19, based on information from the CDC. This is something people didn’t really think about before. USA-Today doesn’t want to report this information.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        PR TEAM meeting this morning:

        Who in the f789 is responsible for this???×442.jpg

        Um … sir… the Ministry of Truth gave us the release that blames the Vaccinated and that’s what we put out… we are unsure how this other version got out.

        Well have you called NBC and told them we’ll pull half their advertisers if they don’t get this fixed?

        Yes sir – we have – it’s removed…

        In the parlance of PR… this is called a ‘Trudeau’ (this clip was removed from the CTV news site)

      • Azure Kingfisher says:

        “So, NBC news is reporting that vaccinated people may be spreading COVID-19, based on information from the CDC.”

        How about this instead:

        “Vaccinated” people aren’t spreading anything. They’re falling ill after having received their injections (i.e. poisons).

        What we read in the mainstream now is equivalent to conducting an autopsy after the Jonestown massacre and concluding, “All these victims drank the same poisoned Flavor Aid and died around the same time. They were clearly infecting each other with a virus.”

        What is the common denominator among the “vaccinated?” Those reportedly becoming ill at an increasing rate that may very well overtake the “unvaccinated” rate of illness? What do we know about them with absolute certainty?

        They received injections.

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          are there any solid scientific findings yet?

          one view is that the vaccinated will have harmed their natural immune system and thus be more susceptible to getting sick.

          is this supported yet anywhere?

          is this what is happening when there is a “breakthrough” case of a person getting sick?

          even Pfizer has self admitted that their vax is less effective over time, and I think their propaganda is understating the decrease which I bet is far lower than the 88% they claim.

          but that’s a different angle.

          1. the vaccines become less effective over time.


          2. the vaccinated have harmed their immune systems and are now getting sick in increasing %s.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Mass infection prevention and mass vaccination with leaky Covid-19 vaccines in the midst of the pandemic can only breed highly infectious variants.


          • Azure Kingfisher says:

            I see no reason to abandon the thesis that SARS-CoV-2 doesn’t exist. If that thesis is correct, then the “variants” don’t exist and the “vaccines” aren’t really vaccines.

            In the context of the above thesis, the “vaccines” are at best an innocuous ruse and at worst a poison.

            I have no examples of confirmed “COVID-19” illness to share from my personal or professional life. I do, however, have numerous examples of “vaccine” recipients in my personal and professional life. That’s my particular, individual reality.

            Should the “vaccinated” in my life become ill or die I may be told this was due to a “variant” of SARS-CoV-2. In order to successfully carry out a genocide (if that is what’s happening) the population must first be indoctrinated as to the cause. They need a villain to blame for their suffering and heartache and it mustn’t be the State. On the contrary, the State must be viewed as their savior, hence “Operation Warp Speed.” In this case, the State is the villain playing the savior, but then this is nothing new for the State.

            In my experience this virus is nothing more than a phantom. The “vaccines,” however, are a reality.

            “Breakthrough cases” are simply a means of explaining away injection-related illness – a way for the population to rationalize their declining health after having been poisoned.
            “Be sure to get ‘vaccinated’; if you fall ill immediately after then that means it’s working. If you fall ill several weeks to months after that it means you’ve got COVID-19.”

            If we are in the middle of a genocide then the SARS-CoV-2 narrative will eventually function as a comforting security blanket for the survivors; a convenient explanation as to why they lost the ones they loved. The scamdemic will be sanctified, memorialized and its true history lost over the succeeding generations. The State and the “vaccine” manufacturers will be portrayed as saviors.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Among my personal acquaintances are one case of a “death from Covid-19″—a woman in her mid-80s suffering from terminal lung cancer, and three symptomatic cases of “Covid-19” that required hospitalization but recovered within 2 or 3 weeks.

              Those three are all diabetic. From their symptoms, they might have been suffering from poisoning rather than a viral illness. Something attacked their lungs and caused something similar to pneumonia and steroids stopped their immune systems from over-reacting.

              Then there is Yorchichan who comments here. I have no reason to doubt his honesty.


              Yorchichan says:
              January 3, 2021 at 12:17 pm
              I’ve never thought covid-19 was a hoax because I’ve spoken to too many people who have had it and too many nurses who have given me horrific accounts of their time working on covid wards. Still, I thought that due to my health and fitness covid-19 was no threat to me. Normally, I train in Chinese Martial Arts 1.5 hours every morning and at 55 I’m slim and can do more of every exercise than I ever could in my teens or twenties. I have the world’s healthiest diet (the Plant Paradox diet, as I’ve mentioned before) and never touch alcohol.

              A fortnight ago I drove my taxi around at the weekend as I usually do. Most of my passengers were out-of-towners from Newcastle, Leeds, Manchester and even Peterborough. They’d come to York because we were in a lower tier in which bars and restaurants were still open. As usual, I didn’t care whether my passengers wore masks in my car or not and I didn’t wear a mask either.

              On the Tuesday following that weekend, 12 days ago now, I got ill and it is much worse than any illness I’ve ever had before. Way back in March I’d thought I had covid-19, but it was nothing like this. Fever, persistent cough, headache, nausea, chest pain, fatigue, chills, difficulty breathing. Quite important that last symptom. My 43 year old wife became ill three days after me. All the same symptoms, except she lost her smell and taste too. In our 23 years together I’ve never before known her so ill that she couldn’t get out of bed. For a while, both of us weren’t sure if we were going to make it. I think we are both out of danger now, but full recovery seems a long way off. On the other hand, our two teenage children have not had so much as a sniffle.

              So, don’t doubt the seriousness of covid-19. It’s an illness you really don’t want to get.


              For those of us outside the medical field, we need a certain amount of faith in order to trust what the various insiders are telling us. That faith has been sorely tested during “the pandemic”. While I am prepared to accept tentatively that there is a Covid-19 virus, I don’t have firm proof that it exists. But would I understand that proof if it was provided? On the other hand, something contagious and potentially very nasty is making the rounds. If it isn’t a virus, what is it?

              Perhaps it is an innocuous cold virus combined with something in the chemtrails? In the meantime, I’ll keep calling it “the virus” as a name for something that may not be a virus in the conventional sense.

            • postkey says:

              “132:48 next slide please this is
              132:52 what source code v2 looks like and if
              132:54 and i will i will send you the video so
              132:55 you can show it
              132:57 of the side on the right shows it goes
              132:59 up and down and you can see the actual
              133:01 source corona
              133:02 cov2 virus uh with its spiked proteins
              133:06 in its corona shape i’ll send that to
              133:08 you so you can play that
              133:10 it’s it’s incredibly important because
              133:13 there are people out there that are
              133:14 actually of the opinion that
              133:16 sars cov2 doesn’t exist and has not been
              133:19 isolated
              133:20 these individuals not only have
              133:22 demonstrated they don’t understand
              133:23 viruses
              133:24 but they interfere with the with the
              133:26 serious discussion going on with this
              133:28 virus “

            • postkey says:

              “ The following diagram shows how SARS-CoV-2 is passed from person to person through respiratory droplets. Once inside the body the virus will invade our cells and reproduce itself. In response to the virus our immune system will attack the invader launching first a response from T-cells designed to kill the cells infected with the virus and later an antibody response designed to kill the virus before it gets into another cell.
                   This diagram also shows how too much of a good thing can cause harm to the body. When our VIRAL immune response, either because of other health problems we have (comorbidities) produce too much response OR because there is too much of the virus (e.g. vaccines) in our body; the outcome is INFLAMMATION and BLOOD CLOTTING [InflammoThrombotic Response – ITR] that can kill us (COVID-19).
                   The document numbers listed on the diagram below match the numbered documents providing links to the research as well as other materials not only explaining these issues but also the Gain-of-Function (GoF) research responsible for the development of this man-made virus.
               The following diagram shows how SARS-CoV-2 is passed from person to person through respiratory droplets. Once inside the body the virus will invade our cells and reproduce itself. In response to the virus our immune system will attack the invader launching first a response from T-cells designed to kill the cells infected with the virus and later an antibody response designed to kill the virus before it gets into another cell.
                   This diagram also shows how too much of a good thing can cause harm to the body. When our VIRAL immune response, either because of other health problems we have (comorbidities) produce too much response OR because there is too much of the virus (e.g. vaccines) in our body; the outcome is INFLAMMATION and BLOOD CLOTTING [InflammoThrombotic Response – ITR] that can kill us (COVID-19).
                   The document numbers listed on the diagram below match the numbered documents providing links to the research as well as other materials not only explaining these issues but also the Gain-of-Function (GoF) research responsible for the development of this man-made virus.

            • Mike Roberts says:

              As far as I’m aware, only one of the vaccines contains the virus but that has been inactivated (I think it is one of the Chinese vaccines). So the “e.g. vaccines” part doesn’t apply in the case of SARS-CoV-2.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              hey mike… any comment?

              “NBC News, citing unnamed officials aware of the decision, reported it comes after new data suggests vaccinated individuals could have higher levels of virus and infect others amid the surge of cases driven by the delta variant of the coronavirus,” the USA Today reported in a passage that was later scrubbed from an article.



      • Mike Roberts says:

        Yes, I wonder at the justification for thinking that vaccinated people can go anywhere. It may lessen the chances of catching it or passing it on (I haven’t seen enough data on that) but it doesn’t stop those things happening.

        • The vaccine makers simply said their vaccines would reduce bad outcomes (hospitalizations and deaths). Anyone who assumed that the vaccines would stop the spreading of COVID-19 was making an assumption that has turned out to be very much wrong.

  32. Fast Eddy says:

    Have of America is not Injected… when does the civil war kick off?

  33. Fast Eddy says:

    Biden Expected to Announce Vaccine Mandates for All Federal Employees, DOJ Declares Mandates Legal

    White House officials said Tuesday Biden is considering requiring all civilian federal employees to be vaccinated or be forced to submit to regular testing, social distancing, mask requirements and restrictions on most travel.

  34. Fast Eddy says:

    As if plans to separate vaccinated and unvaccinated citizens in France didn’t already go far enough, Education Minister Jean-Michel Blanquer has announced that children as young as 12 who have not been vaccinated will be booted out of school if a classmate tests positive for Covid while those who have been ‘jabbed’ will be allowed to stay.

    [Edit: I removed part of this comment. Gail]

    • All is Dust says:

      I doubt governments can fund this level of service for much longer given high levels of national debt. Covid-19 gives them an excuse to close down certain services, and then restrict those using them when such services are ‘resumed’. It will lead to the disintegration of society… but what else can be expected? There isn’t enough ‘stuff’ to go around. Once enough people figure this out then governments will fall too as they can no longer be the sugar daddy they claim to be.

  35. Conrad T. says:

    Interesting comments from another site:

    RZ: The situation is this. My son qualified for one of the best medical schools in the country. He wants to be a surgeon. The university will most likely demand him to be vaccinated to be allowed entry on campus. Now he’s still studying online and there is nothing definite yet, but it’s just a matter of time these things will be mandatory. If it were an option to take him out of there, I would and I wouldn’t bring up this question. He made his choice and despite of everything I tell him, he doesn’t think the mRNA shots are harmful.

    To be clear, I’m not asking for your medical advice, and I won’t consider comments to my question to be medical advice. Just which vaccine would you take if they put a gun on your forehead. And no, taking the bullet is not an option. You can add full disclaimers if you like.

    The mRNA is out of the question. There are three types remaining as far as I know. The Viral vector vaccine, the inactivated virus vaccines and the protein subunit vaccine.

    What we have here in this country is:
    AstraZeneca (viral vector)
    Conoravac / sinovac (inactivated virus)
    Johnson & Johnson (viral vector)
    Moderna (mRNA)

    ST: My husband had his second vaccination about 3 weeks ago. AstraZeneca. I asked him not to go through with it but ” his body, his choice ” . Needless to say, I refused mine despite the telephone calls and letters from the NHS. Slightly threatening.
    To cut a long story short , about two weeks ago my husband began suffering with pain in all his joints and can’t now lift his arms or walk without a limp and pain. This was a man who used to be active and played tennis.
    Hopefully things will improve eventually . He is unable to see a doctor face to face and has to talk to him over the phone. ( These are the heroes we are supposed to be clapping !! )
    This is just to let readers here know . I’m just an ordinary person telling the truth. This whole charade is evil. Be warned.

    I can identify with these folks. My wife is getting jabbed for the first time right now at the local grocery store.

    • houtskool says:

      At the local grocery store? I see some serious gender neutral opportunities.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      That is an incredibly funny story … thanks for sharing!!!

      If anyone else comes across similar stuff… please post it.

      The only good CovIDIOT — is a dead one … or a maimed on 🙂

    • By process of elimination, the Conoravac/sinovac (inactivated virus) might be least harmful of the list you gave. I don’t think it provides a whole lot of “protection,” but that is in some sense a plus.

      If others have more knowledge of the situation, I would be happy to hear their answers.

      • TIm Groves says:

        I too, if given no other viable option than get jabbed, would opt for the Chinese shot. Anything else would be like playing Russian roulette with my health.

      • geno mir says:

        Inactivate or attenuated vaccines are the best choise frok safety point of view. Also getting one such vaccine could lead to cell immunity. This is the best type of immunity.

  36. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Chileans tapped into pensions to survive the pandemic – now what?

    “Chile’s government has allowed people to withdraw funds from their pensions to weather the coronavirus crisis, but the decision could leave millions without a lifeline in old age.”

    • Back before fossil fuels, everyone worked as long as they were able. That is the direction we are now headed, I am afraid.

      • If I’m not mistaken even late middle ages (or sooner / antiquity?) operated with inner family contracts where the kids could guarantee precisely specified stipend in kind for their elderly (food, lodging, ..) in exchange for transferring title to the biz / real estate etc..

        Obviously that was mostly larger merchant, nobility and up.. but it’s very likely the peasant class had something similar in non written form because later in ~17-18th century this appeared in legalized form for lower classes as well.

        • I have seen material written about “intergenerational debt.” This is related to the idea that if parents take care of their children, the children have some responsibility to the parents in their old age. This can only work if the work of the kids is generating some sort of surplus to care for the parents. Too often today, we have the retired 70 year old trying to take care of a retired parent of 95 years old. People live way too long after retirement.

          • Dennis L. says:

            More on retirement from my area of the US.

            “Myrt (Myrtle Jacobson, a former administrator) and others talk about residents working on the farm, but weren’t required to work,” Witthoft said. “They would find something they liked to do with the crops, help with canning or help in the laundry. That stopped around the 1970s. They felt important and felt like they were paying their way by working.”


            In the Feb. 8, 1965, minutes, it was noted employees were given a $1 per shift increase in pay.

            Witthoft said years ago, nursing homes would take in residents who admitted themselves and the Vernon County facility would pick up indigent people off the street to spend winters there.”

            The farm was going in the fifties, it was neat, clean, the grounds well maintained and I don’t recall the people being poorly dressed in that they had clean clothes – note the presence of a laundry on the grounds. My grandparents’ had one family member who was a resident, sort of an example what not to do with one’s life.

            Life worked back then, work, even simple work, can give meaning to life. Social workers came along and deprived many of that dignity, they would solve all the world’s problems. oops.

            Dennis L.

          • geno mir says:

            Eatern societies (bith european and asians) provide and care for their elderly parents and relatives. It is the culture here and has been for eternity. Even if a family does nit habe the money to care for elderly parents they at least will take them hkme and care for them and theor daily needs. We dont have the ‘elderly homes’ cultural trait which is the norm in wrstern societies.

        • old age used to be a comparative rarity.

          the ones who did make it past 50-60 were lucky if they had children able to give them the basic support of food and shelter, many did not. (They were usually on the breadline themselves.)

          They also took in ‘strays’ of all ages. Dickens’ writing says it better than I can.

          In those cases, the ‘workhouse’ was the only option, which was exactly what it said it was, you worked to the level of your strength and ability in return for bed and board.

          i.e.–a work house.

          people did not live very long in workhouses

          • Dennis L. says:


            Vernon County, WI in my childhood had the “poor farm” in Viroqua. Many times in my youth I was told how not working hard, etc., could lead to that result.

            I am not sure, but believe singles got one room and worked on the farm to produce food for the general population.

            When I was at the VA in Milwaukee(actually Wood), there were domiciliaries for veterans who could not make it on the outside. One building was very old, high backed wooden rockers dated from the Civil War.

            Dennis L.

            • interesting Dennis—I’d never heard of poor farms

              in uk also—threats of ‘the workhouse’ were much the same I guess

              vets homes here too–but that was because wars produced many thousands of wounded vets, they have all died off now pretty much

            • I lived in Mauston, Wisconsin, growing up, which is 56 miles from Viroqua. I remember visiting a poor farm a few times, with a church group that would go and sing for the residents on a Sunday afternoon. It is possible it was even the same poor farm. There may have been one closer, though. I thought it was sometimes called the “county home,” so there would likely have been one for each county.

        • Xabier says:

          Surviving children supporting a surviving parent – most had lost at least one parent by the time they were 12 yrs old – probably worked out as that parent would be unlikely to live for very long in any case. Not too great a strain.

          As a side note, I’ve noticed that Hindoo women are often keen to get away from the extended family set-up, is might lie behind many a mixed-race marriage here; and a Turkish female friend said ‘Well, everyone has to look after their parents,we’re traditional – but no one ever wants to do it I can tell you!’

          A good thing really if one can die before becoming a pain to everyone.

          I believe Klaus Schwab is working on it with Uncle Bill…….

      • Dennis L. says:

        Retirement is tricky, it varies for many.

        My great grandfather moved from child to child and at my grandmother’s slept under the stairs, ate with the family and helped out as he could. They were farmers.

        Work is a good pursuit, makes life meaningful; the other side of the coin seems to be The Villages, literally wine, women, song and by some accounts STDs.

        I worked past retirement age by luck, it was a wonderful time. A simple question to ask is, “How much can my children afford to pay me when I stop working?” If less than one is receiving, someone else’s child is supporting you, probably are a bit grumpy about it.

        Dennis L.

        • when pensions started, there were 24 workers per pensioner

          now there’s 4

          • Kowalainen says:

            Automation. The 4 workers doing 10 times as much with their technological automagic.

            • no

              4 workers having the (temporary) backup of fossil fuels

              automation rides on the back of that

            • Kowalainen says:

              Where did I dispute that? You know better than being captain obvious.


            • I made my comment for broad consumption

              you may understand that fossil fuels back up technologies, but the majority just think ‘technology’ is all we need to magic everything back to BAU

            • Kowalainen says:

              Well, it depends if ‘technology’ implies providing the means of cheap energy production?

              Say some smart ass discovers how to wield physics in a way that makes fusion power a tractable path.

              Asserting that technology is the predicament and/or solution is besides the point. The psychology of rapacious primates implies exponential growth because stuff, monies, status and prestige equals happy and “success”.

              We must remember that we are a tool making species. If some moron schmuck decides that moar by default equals better, those tools will be created instead of better tools suited for long term success and survival.

            • energy cannot be produced, only converted from one form to another.

              Thats what we use tools for..
              Nothing more.

              tools don’t produce energy, they dissipate it.

              Fossil fuel has been the means by which we have levered (and dissipated) our energies. If by some chance we made fusion usable, humankind would go on ‘levering’, on the assumption the BAU could be forever.

              It can’t.

              Fuels require other resources to allow the conversion process to carry on. A blacksmith can hammer his anvil all day long, but without charcoal and iron he’s ‘wasting’ energy.

              your assessment of our collective psychology is correct, but it doesn’t make it (collectively) the right one.
              We don’t seem to be able to exist without the ‘wages’ part. A bartering economy seems a non starter.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              “long term success and survival”

              The herd is gonna do what the herd is gonna do. Why is its “long term success and survival” any concern of your?

              Humans are resilient anyway and the collapse of fossil fuel civilisation, and the collapse of the industrial population, may well simply be an irrelevant episode and whatever humans remain will do something else if generally along the same lines of expand, grow and collapse, it is what species do.

              There is no ‘purpose’ to any of it, so what does it really ‘matter’ whether some imaginary purpose is obtained or not? You may be labouring under an illusion that can mainly provide only unpleasant perceptions and frustration. It may be a throwback to your religious or herd upbringing that you have never really freed yourself from.

              You seem to still believe in the basic Western metaphysical fictions of free will, morality, responsibility, meaning, purpose and some desirable and obtainable final state. It is sort kind of stuff that they teach in kindergarten and Sunday school to get the herd to behave and to do its jobs.

              The tendency of the cosmos is toward the concentration and dissipation of energy through the formation and reformation of dissipative structures. ‘All reality is will to power.’ In that case industrial civilisation has done fabulously ‘well’. Whether you ‘like’ IC or not may be neither here nor there, it is what it is.

              Perhaps you ought to be more concerned with your own dispositions toward it. Your socially conditioned primate brain may be hallucinating pointless and self-defeating ‘objections’ to reality that were only ever intended to get you to participate in IC. Perhaps you ought to ditch those fictions along with any allegiance to the IC (or any society) that they are ordered toward?

            • Kowalainen says:

              Oh Mirror, you unreasonable rascal. (stated in jest, no offense)

              You are right. I got no stake in the matter since I have decided to take the path of voluntary extinction of that minuscule difference that is my genetics in comparison with mankind in general.

              You should know that I’m an evolutionist. I’m all for species and processes that tends toward the evolutionary optima. Clearly mankind is hell bent on opposing the intent of the creation as I perceive it. Thus I’m checking out when my time is due. Although, I might be wrong.

              After all, aren’t you excited by new ideas of which you haven’t pondered upon? The delight of new ideas and concepts to churn in the perpetual process between your deaf ears and myopic eyes?


            • Mirror on the wall says:

              I am not sure that evolution improves the ‘overall fitness’ of all species, I think that I saw a paper that argued the opposite. Fitness is relative to that of other species and the environment. Species are playing the ‘red queen’ process of adapting in order to ‘stay where they are’, that is to adapt in order to compete with the fresh adaptations of other species.

              It was introduced into the ocean by calcifying plankton, before which the survival of ocean species was governed mainly by environmental (acidic) changes but since then they have been competing, and evolving to do so. A species can be more or less fit in relation to its environment and other species but those variable constantly change and species (plural) as a whole do not become ‘fitter’. The ‘red queen’ is more about overall flux than about overall ‘improvement’.

              It seems that the complex mind has evolved as a ‘means’ to the perpetuation of life and as such it is not its ‘end’. There is no ‘end’. But if you think that life or evolution has some ‘purpose’ then perhaps you ought to continue your line, if it is not too late or pointless. Maybe seek a surrogate mother if you are not the marrying type? Or if it is what it is, then don’t worry about it.

              One can enjoy life and even its illusions without ‘believing’ them. I do. One can do or not do whatever one likes. My nihilism is ‘active’ rather than ‘passive’ but I am choosey about what I engage with. It is pleasant enough. : )

            • dinosaurs evolved over 100m years or more, getting bigger all the time, into critters we wouldn’t have liked very much

              then for the next 100 m years they evolved into birds, which we quite enjoy having around.

              Seems life is just a waiting game

            • Kowalainen says:

              Right, I don’t deny the possibility of my misunderstanding regarding evolutionary process.

              In its most concise form I consider it as that which creates complexity out of mineral and energy.

              The logical conclusion is that an evolutionary optima is when all available energy in the universe is used for complexity generation and maintenance of existing complexity.

              That would be the ultimate dead state of any maximum power principle system. Nothing left to do and nothing new to discover. Self destruction initiated…

              However, if the universe is infinite. That won’t matter, there will always be new regions and more possibility for discovery. If it is already populated, even better. Hybridize, merge and perpetrate. Trial and error, mostly error. But so what? Everybody’s got a story to tell and perhaps there is a morale in there somewhere, or perhaps it isn’t.

              Existence isn’t that bad on its own. After all; being able to experience the earth, universe and humanoid shenanigans is for the most part quite good if you can dodge the worst aspects of rapacious primatery.


              Interspecies competition (with regards to progeny) is rather silly for sapient and sentient beings.

              It is rather foolish to expect the offspring to carry the “excellence” of the lineage at the face of regression to the mean with respect to the IQ and general cognitive abilities.

              As for me I guess the stress of having offspring in the herd as a bit over the top in the face of conformism and overpopulation. However, if a hottie alien broad, or a newfangled sweetie AGI robot with carefully crafted back scratching subroutines sees the light of day and stumbles across my path of destruction. Then…

              Let’s hybridize for the shits and giggles. Now; since that won’t happen. I’ll guess this is the way it will be then.


            • Mirror on the wall says:

              We have discussed regression to the mean before, and it applies only at the very extremes of poles, thus it has extremely limited pertinence. Please do not repeat canards.

              Evolution does not create complexity for its own sake but only in so far as it facilitates survival.

              ‘When we look back in an attempt to grasp evolution, it may instead be the lack of complexity, not the rise of it, that is most intriguing.’


              There is no ‘optima dead state’ and the maximum power principle always applies. ‘All reality is will to power’. Anything that fails to compete for power disappears or is incorporated into another and thus the process continues. Everything burns out in the end. The cosmos is a flux, it does not tend toward a final, permanent ‘end state’.

              It does tend to produce more complex dissipative structures like IC and our brains but not always or as a general rule. Over billions of years sometimes a yet more complex structure arises – along with many less complex – but that does not imply ‘aim’ in any conscious or deliberate sense. Teleology is just so 13th c.

              You clearly have an agenda contra eugenics and for ‘hybridisation’ – which smacks of incoherence, a breeding programme is a breeding programme. Your stance reflects current bourgeois values and the post-imperialist need for domestic labour expansion. I am not sure why you feel the need to discuss them.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Mirror, you’re cracking me up. 🤣👍

              My alien/AGI/robot hybridization attempt clearly fell on deaf ears, I expected that. Ok, I’ll admit as an fundamentalist evolutionist I must not rayciss. It is verboten by my cliche bourgeois schtick.

              Next best thing is my gf from Japan with some royal ancestry (apparently). That’s about as alien as it gets and it isn’t much different to tell the truth, apart from the usual stuff on the surface. The black hair and brown eyes thingy that seem to float around the gene pool over there. Apart from that. Well, females are… females… Obnoxious, annoying, lovely and brilliant.


              Well, as any nonlinear systems theory predicts, there are local maxima where a process might get stuck until a comet slaps down from orbit and gets things rolling again.

              By the way, I have already refuted your claim on regression to the mean only being relevant for the über intelligent. Of course it applies at all scales and levels of cognitive ability, believing otherwise is just folly.

              Ok, I’ll admit it. I’m just too lazy for raising offspring. I want them programmable to be smarter than me. Which in reality wouldn’t require much code at all:

              catch BourgeoisException:
              return woke_schmuck
              return usual_halfwit


            • Mirror on the wall says:

              I am sorry but you are wrong, the statistical tendency (not law of nature) of regression to the mean by definition describes only the extremes – that extreme data points are liable to be followed by less extreme. If you are not talking the extremes then you are not talking RTM.

              “The notion of regression to the mean was first worked out by Sir Francis Galton. The rule goes that, in any series with complex phenomena that are dependent on many variables, where chance is involved, extreme outcomes tend to be followed by more moderate ones.”

              The idea that statistical RTM refutes the hereditability of higher IQ is frankly laughable – as is the idea that the cosmos will reach a static energetic state that is its ‘purpose’. You have had a giggle and a cheek, but let that be the end of your nonsense.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              Here are some good answers for you. Eugenics by definition seeks to eliminate the random element toward an objective and it is thus the opposite tendency of RTM. Breeds change all the time, which is how evolution works, through change, they do not stagnate around a mean, let alone with deliberate application. Thus the IQ of a population as a whole can be raised through selective breeding. Basically everything that you have argued today has been wrong and cheek does not change that. : )


              If IQ regresses towards the mean, isn’t eugenics a fallacy?

              > It may revert to the mean, but that’s in the case of random mating, in which all intelligence-related genes are at play — a matter of statistics. In selective breeding, we select for genes that yield the desired result, putting our fingers on the statistical scale, so to speak, and making reversion to the mean much less likely.

              For example, while the offspring of unusually large wolves would tend to be smaller than their parents, a dog breed selectively bred to be large like the Great Dane will tend to retain its unusual stature. In that case, the characteristic is said to be fixed — the Great Dane gene pool contains mostly gene variants that code for unusual height, so only minimal maintenance is needed to retain the characteristic.

              Though it happened naturally, we know of a group, Ashkenai J/ws, that underwent selection pressure in the Middle Ages that led to a mean IQ one standard deviation above the European average. The characteristics appear to be fixed within the Ashkenazi population. There’s no reason to suppose that the same thing couldn’t be accomplished intentionally if civilized society didn’t frown on that kind of meddling.

              > Individuals who are exceptional, compared with the population they come from, will tend to have offspring lees exceptional, more average than they are. So the cow that gives the most milk will mostly have daughters that give above average amounts, but less than their mother. But this dose not mean that generations of breeding cannot improve the herd as a whole. Average milk production per cow has risen. Regression toward the mean from parent to offspring is real, but it dose not imply that natural or artificial selection cannot change populations; populations change all the time.

              > First of all, I’m entirely opposed to eugenics or any other government intrusion into private lives.

              However, if you eliminate the lower end of IQ, then the mean increases. If example, we sterilized everyone with an IQ of 100 or lower. The mean would be go up. There is a confounding feature of IQ, in that the mean is always “100”. Nonetheless, 100 would eventually represent higher intelligence than it does now.

              Thus, regression to the mean would be regression to higher intelligence.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Well, if that would be true, the world would be full of geniuses now since general cognitive abilities seem to correlate well with success in life. Obviously it isn’t.

              Actually it seems to be getting worse over time. It is as if being a slightly genetically modified primate generally works better with lesser of an IQ. Being a rapacious primate is easier when being slightly dumb it seems. As in getting offspring without considering the stressful implications of raising a rapacious primate rascal.

              Surely it is possible to boost the IQ of a primate offshoot for a little while, but then it will regress back to the mean (of primates in general).

              Take for example dolphin species. All breeds seem quite intelligent, while apes in general seem quite deficient in comparison.

              All slightly modified species that isn’t very well adapted to the habitat seem to rid themselves of the ‘defects’ over time. Nature doesn’t seem to appreciate useless features, as in being smart in a world of dullards. Generally it is not satisfactory to be a genius among halfwitted dimwits. For sure you can outmaneuver the morons with ease, however at the expense of your humanity. Pity and compassion is such a powerful drug.

              Take your beloved Nietzsche for example. For all his flaws and problems, that was an outrageously smart man. Surely that didn’t help him the least in terms of contentment in life. And reproduction.


              As for the large swaths of average IQ’s it is difficult to break through the noise floor, since the sample size is again too small and the explosion of dependent variables is through the roof, variables such as education, nutrition, overall health, upbringing, environment, etc.

              Controlling for everything will just yield a sample size of one, which makes it totally meaningless to draw any conclusions from.

              I’d say that the regression to the mean of genius offspring is a good statistical indicator of an effect that is at work at larger scales.


              I’m sorry to disappoint you, but pandering to the ~140 IQ clique won’t yield any results. On the contrary, the more “success” they have in the business of rapacious primatery, the more disillusioned and reluctant to reproduction they become. They are quite masterful at observation and don’t like what they see.

              I would dare to guess that the generic OFW/doomer poster is above the average IQ and below the self-sustaining rate of reproduction, or just barely scraping by.

              Again; pity and compassion is such a powerful drug among primate species.

              My conclusion is that mankind is indeed a failed “experiment”. Hybridization/AGI is our only long term option. However, I’m not observing many vicious aliens walking among us and the AGI crowd seem terrified of instrumental convergence. Which is rather ridiculous on its own since life itself is a process of instrumental convergence.


            • Fast Eddy says:

              One has to admit… life is much simpler and stress free if one operates with relatively low horse power… and allows the MSM to do all thinking for you…

              You don’t question anything … things are just as CNN and the BBC tell you they are….

              As long as you get enough food… a warm decent home… a pat on the head from time to time … maybe a bone from time to time…. it’s all good!

              I don’t understand why anyone who lives in such a nirvanic environment would visit OFW… this will only invite stress….

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              I think that you talk endless pure rubbish and that we should avoid each other from now on. So I would ask you again not to follow me around replying to everything that I say, which smacks of stalking. If you have anything of your own to say then say it in the open space but I would thank you not to address me any further. We have been here and done this before. Bye.

            • Kowalainen says:

              You sound like my gf accusing me of stalking her (in jest), yet she’s the one always giving me a call.

              But don’t you worry, I appreciate our small squabbles and disagreements. It’s all good fun. Why so serious? 🤔

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            Birds have been around much longer than humans, so it is more the case that we have evolved to like them. It is more about adaptation than waiting, otherwise one just dies.

            • I was just offering a point of view, rather than an accurate evolutionary history

            • Kowalainen says:

              I think swallows and martins evolved to seek out human habitations after the advent of agriculture.

              Plenty of bugs to eat when there is lots of farming going on I guess.

              It is likely why they are considered good fortune (omen) in many cultures. It is amusing to watch their aerobatics. They look like business with that sleek airframe.

              I’m sure Tim kindly hosts a few of these nests every spring as the friends from afar arrives weary from the journey.

      • James Speaks says:

        Ble Zones – not a bad idea.

  37. Josh 58 says:

    Tim Groves said, “There is hardly any online info available on Ehrlich’s daughter Lisa Marie that I can find. So I don’t know if she’s still with us. But Paul and his wife Anne are still going strong and are as doomy as ever.”

    Lisa Marie Daniel is a certified dog trainer in Maryland; she was born at the end of 1955 and had three daughters with subsequent grandchildren. She seems to enjoy needling her parents about the whole ecology thing.

    Lisa M. Daniel
    5.0 out of 5 stars Important health information
    Reviewed in the United States on April 8, 2018
    Verified Purchase
    When my dad told me he was writing a book that explained, in part, why people end up with sleep apnea, I was surprised and intrigued. I was diagnosed with sleep apnea about three years ago and it explained a lot of my sleepiness and exhaustion. Thank God I was fortunate to be able to adapt easily to a CPAP machine, which has helped immensely, but there is no question that maintaining it and schlepping it everywhere I go is a hassle and an expense. In any event, I don’t know anyone who is more exhaustive in their approach to researching issues than my dad is, and when I met Sandra I was equally impressed. I have made sure my three daughters have this book — especially the two with small children! The cultural changes that they document have serious repercussions that can be avoided by changing habits early in life. Avoiding snoring, and receding chins is the least of it — many people don’t realize that sleep apnea can be life threatening. If it goes unaddressed it puts undue strain on the heart. All proceeds from this book are donated to organizatiions working to improve human health and sustaining the planet for future generations.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Thank you, Josh!

      It’s interesting that, unlike her dad, Lisa is anticipating that there will be “future generations”.

  38. Yoshua says:

    The government is going to confess that the vaccine doesn’t work with all the breakthrough cases among the fully vaccinated? No! HeII no!

    They will blame it on the unvaccinated. They have no other option. So we might as well succumb to the needle. They won’t let us out the door.

    Or…time has come to seek organised crime to buy fake vaccine passports. Albert Marko did advice this 6 months ago.

    • I am afraid you are right. I can see an opportunity for those selling fake vaccine passports.

      • Student says:

        Dear Gail,
        sorry to make a reply on this post, but I’m not sure how to create a new post.
        But as I know it is something you are probably interested, please let me say that I found a very interesting scientific research which is a review on all the medical treatments currently used worldwide to fight Covid-19 and the relative degree of success of each treatment so far.
        The research is not diffcult to read also for those who are not in the specific field.

        There are also 3 notes referring to 3 research on Ivermectin, but there are also other interesting insights.

        Almost all the researches are recent.
        I hope it will be useful for you or anyone else wants to help on this subject.
        Kind regards

        • Thanks for the Ivermectin-related links, and for the first link, which is more related to the need for medications for people affected with COVID-19 while they are still outpatients.

          Regarding how to start a new thread, you need to scroll down to the bottom of the comments and enter a comment in the comment box you see there. If you want to enter a link, copy that link is as well.

          You will notices that each comment thread is very long. I changed it to this approach because it makes it easier to search by page to find an old comment a person is trying to look for. For example, you can use whatever search function your browser has, to look for the word “ivermectin” on each page of comments, if you want to find this information. The search function that WordPress provides only works on words in posts, not on comments.

      • Azure Kingfisher says:

        The problem with buying a fake “vaccine” passport is that it demonstrates your acknowledgement of and consent to the new system. It also makes you a fraud.

        Using a fake “vaccine” passport will simply strengthen the new system as, like any system, it draws its strength from voluntary participants.

        The only way to destroy the new system is to withdraw your voluntary participation. This needs to be done en masse in order for the system managers to recognize that their system has been rendered obsolete.

        • I think you are right. People have to object and withdraw from the system.

          • Student says:

            I completely agree with that.
            In fact, I’ve heard that many thinkers suggest people should make a passive protest.
            When the system have too few people in it can’t work properly and this oblige organizers to re-think the framework.

            • Azure Kingfisher says:

              The same applies to the “vaccine” rollout.
              It was the voluntary participation of the “vaccinated” that has brought us to where we are today: discussing the emergence of a “vaccine” passport system.
              Their individual choice to receive an injection has contributed to this collectively erected system of control; they’ve each added their own brick to the pyramid and they’ve done so blindly. They are largely ignorant builders, following orders provided from on high by the propagandists and systems architects – the ones holding the blueprints for this monstrous abomination.

          • geno mir says:

            If people want to habe at lrast minimal degree of agency they need not to oppose the system but use it. Use the system in your advantage the eay all those poeer groups do it. Why isolatimg oneself and eaiting for the ptb to plan one’s life?! Best way forward is to be a psychopath and use the system in your favor. I don’t se3 any advantage in just waiting and dling nithing. Use the system in your advatage as much as possible, a system is best destroyed from the inside!

    • Fast Eddy says:

      If it comes to that … I can live without going to restaurants… and I have very minimal interaction with people in social settings… other than when Madame Fast forces me ….

      I can pretend to engage and possibly appear undistracted… but it’s generally not something I would choose to do….

      Envision a Ferrari — racing against push bikes…

      Don’t get me wrong… I don’t have disdain for people… any more than I have disdain for dogs.

      More than happy to be forced into lockdown lite … rather than be Injected.

      It wouldn’t be for very long.

  39. Mark says:

    Nate Hagens co authored online book.

    • Sam says:

      Interesting I will have to check it out thanks! I am a bit burnt out by OFW and constant Covid talk. Seems like that is all that is discussed on here anymore. Not energy and economics. That’s what I want to discuss so I know how much time we have. If governments can make debt disappear? How much oil is left can they keep pumping at a loss break even for wells etc…

      • We are dealing with a networked system, and it is somewhat difficult to isolate “energy and economics” from the other things that go on.

        I am convinced that “the oil that is left” is basically irrelevant. It is the ability of the economy to get the price high enough so it can be extracted. In fact, coal and natural gas seem to have exactly the same problems as oil. The price can’t stay high enough to keep the extraction going.

        The economy is getting more and more stressed out. It only operates because it is being increasingly inflated with debt. COVID gives countries the opportunity to add more and more debt. COVID also gives countries the opportunity to enact policies that reduce oil consumption, such as policies that cut off international travel to selected countries and policies that encourage working at home. Cutting off big gatherings like weddings, funerals, and conventions reduces oil spent on travel. It also reduces the total amount of food required and reduces the quantity of fancy clothing that needs to be manufactured and imported.

        The IEA and President Biden are depending on OPEC + other exporters to pick up the slack, because US oil shale production seems to be past peak, at today’s prices. (These prices don’t really go up.) I am doubtful that OPEC+ other exporters can really raise production by the amounts that they claim they can. They really need much higher prices to be able to collect enough taxes from this oil to support their countries.

        • Xabier says:

          Excellent summary Gail.

          One thing I can’t see is how they expect, having suppressed or eliminated sectors, impoverished or thrown so many out of work, etc, to keep the prices of commodities, fuels and so on, up to a sufficient level to keep the whole functioning.

          One can see that they expect spending that no longer flows to SME’s, or to leisure and travel, and other discretionary indulgences, to go instead to the corporate sector, but the sum total of current policies appears destructive and disruptive to a dangerous degree.

          They seem to be trusting wholly to the power of infinite monetary manipulation and total control via CBDC’s and UBI to sooth everything out: is this their Achilles’ Heel, the fatal miscalculation?

          • They don’t have a whole lot of tools at their disposal.

            For example, it is not possible for the military to move in and pump more oil from US oil fields. It is simply too high tech an operation. US tax revenue is sufficiently low (especially net of all of the other stimulus payments) that it is impossible to simply raise prices to oil producers enough so that they can drill in low productivity areas. Such payments would have to go on for a long time, at a high level. Also, how would the oil be kept in the US? We are dealing with an international market?

          • Sam says:

            I think they are planning to monotize the debt via a digital currency. If the core countries agree to it which they will because they have no choice and the peripheral countries will have to fall in line as well. Maybe they can inflate their problems away. Don’t underestimate them they no just as much as everyone on here and more…

            • Ed says:

              They are going to change he meaning of money. It will just be for short term transfers as in you get paid this week you buy food for the coming week.

              It will no longer be a long term store of value. They may go as far as to have expiration dates on all money. If you do not spend it in say one month it becomes worthless.

            • which ‘they’ are you talking about?

            • MM says:

              The question of any money is if you accept it as a means of exchange.
              They can not do “that”. We must do that.
              Sheets of green paper can easily be shifted to sheets of blue paper.
              I must admit that “old” energy might lead to the need of green paper. That also can be fixed because the older energy is water oxen and wind. A complexity question and how much you might want to “fall” down the ladder.
              Question is if “falling” is in the card in all decks and from what height. With a device in your head that needs usb you will have limited options.

            • The big issue is that the financial wizards can create money, but they cannot create physical goods and service. If we don’t have semiconductor chips, we cannot have the devices that use semiconductor chips, for example. We will be running into more and more limits, as we try to allow a larger and larger share of the population to be able to afford goods and services, even though they have not worked to make these goods and services.

              For one thing, if people know that they can get goods and services without working, they will no longer want to work. Cuba has been running into this issue for years.

            • That’s very interesting, several econ bloggers / podcasters have been recently pointing out that UBI’s mid-longterm effects smell like forced crash of demand agenda..
              So, people of various backgrounds are figuring it out.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Energy burners in terms of manufactured 2ton+ blobs of lazy, wheels, and excessive energy burnage will go the way of the dodo.

              People are feeling the stink of a rapidly decomposing era of unfettered opulence and ordering bicycles like nuts. I mean; let’s be realistic here. It was and still is way over the top. 🤪👍

              Not that the semiconductor industry or various trinkets and gizmos will go anywhere. I mean; we are talking about the energy worth of, say, 10-20kg of bicycle(s) plus 100g of plastics, chips and some glue in the usual smartphone. As for the usual house; well, trees grow by themselves. Water, soil and sunlight provided by nature, free of charge. Some diesel and electrons needed for processing it into wood.

              Of course some trickery with the symbols of exchange need to be implemented as the depletion progresses.

              I’m sure they must have run some supercomputer simulations of its effects. It doesn’t carry the stink of “economics” dogma.

        • Hubbs says:

          Gail, you always mention they need to keep prices high enough to encourage more extraction of fossil fuels. I understand that but what that really means is in order for people to pay those high prices, they have to curtail spending on other items which sets in a vicious feedback loop and that if they are cutting back expenditure on discretionary items in order to pay higher prices for gas and oil then the need for high prices for that oil decreases so we are in And inescapable complex negative feedback loop As we cannot increase prosperity and production to increase our real wealth and thus the money to pay for more gas exploration and production to grow the economy.

          It’s like a man who is starving decides to cut off his arm to provide calories for the rest of his body (auto-cannibalism)but in doing so is unable to have use of that arm which would allow him to farm, hunt and work to provide himself with the very food that he needs. The build up of debt also impairs the ability of somebody to purchase items. So the real question you should be asking is what will allow an economy to selectively divert resources in order to keep the energy flows sustained. This basically is a form of economic triage or rationing of lifestyle choices and standards of living.

          • You say,

            So the real question you should be asking is what will allow an economy to selectively divert resources in order to keep the energy flows sustained. This basically is a form of economic triage or rationing of lifestyle choices and standards of living.

            I am wondering if cutbacks, of the type used supposedly to keep COVID cases down, aren’t almost as good as any way of keeping fossil fuel use down, while keeping the overall system operating.

            The use of fossil fuels is so deeply embedded in all of the things that we buy that we really cannot cut back on fossil fuel use, except by cutting back on discretionary expenditures, of all types.

            For example, food production, transport, refrigeration, and sales uses a lot of fossil fuels. It is hard to cut back on food use, unless we cut back on restaurant, school, convention, wedding reception, airline and similar food use. Such food usage seems to push up total food consumption, because home food consumption has less waste, among other things.

            Clothing production uses many kinds of fuel, including fossil fuels. We can cut back on clothing production by decreeing that people will stay at home more. They need much less in the way of fancy clothes that way.

            Commuting to work uses a lot of fossil fuels, particularly oil. If people can work from home, this cuts back a lot on oil consumption.

            These sound like the changes that many countries were making in response to COVID. Of course, this tends to produce a K-shaped recovery. The poor people in poor countries, who were making fancy clothing or who were working in the travel industry tend to be shut out. Other optional industries tend to be reduced as well, such as growing flowers in one part of the world to send by air to other parts of the world.

            • all employment, above the level of food producer or water carrier, is discretionary because all employment is dependent on those two functions running unhindered.

            • Charlie says:

              In principle, all these measures that go well to reduce consumption and that limit trips, movements, movements … They are dictated by virologists, epidemiologists and doctors at the local level who do not seem to be under the order of any organization and due to hospital pressure. To think that they are made expressly to reduce consumption would be as if someone had implanted this idea in our minds, as in the movie “inception

            • Self-organizing systems work very strangely.

              Politicians realize that local factories need to lay off workers because they are missing inputs of various types. Shutting down would be a good idea, from that point of view. They have also had problems with local uprisings. Shutting everyone in for a while would put an end to that as well. Also, countries that import oil (like New Zealand) are acutely aware of limits with respect to these imports. Cutting off flights in and out reduces the need for oil imports. It is the fact that several different groups would benefit from a particular action that makes them acceptable.

        • geno mir says:

          What about Russia? The oil/gas in their gdp is 15% and the biggest chunk is generated by the service sector (above 40%). It seems they don’t need those tax rubbles the way KSA needs the tax dollars.

          • Good, but to advance further on the rabbit hole you keep watching KSA diminishing influence among the other Gulfies club members… drip by drip, day by day..

            Besides, the external dollar (majority of global money anyways) comes to existence from issuance via foreign banks. If they choose to they could offer dev projects aimed at KSA govs to the tune of trillions easily. Ooops, well they apparently don’t pursue this for some peculiar reason..

            • geno mir says:

              Ok, but my question was biy different. However, I salute you on your choice of alias.

            • development projects must be underpinned by surplus energy—or they just peter out.

              The oil under Saudi has a price

              it doesn’t take on value until it is extracted and converted into something else.

              if people can’t afford to do that, ( by using that ‘surplus’ energy) then KSA ‘develeopments’ will remain a hookah dream.

            • Well, I’m teasing you a bit..

              As you mentioned Russia et al are winning some at the moment, actually producing stuff in many diverse sectors, no longer in vassal role of raw materials exporter anymore. But they can’t completely overcome unless the wider world drops that (legacy) external dollar creation and recycle mechanism – for whatever set of reasons and cascading events. And that could happen next week or in seven years time or exactly never..

              That’s why the proponents of ultra expedient (fin) collapse have got egg on their face.. since the 1970s.

          • Yes, Russia does seem to be able to do better than the countries whose countries that are more dominated by oil exporting. We don’t hear about this much in the US, because Russia is a rival.

            Russia is a country that would theoretically benefit from global warming, as well, if the temperatures and rainfall aren’t too variable.

      • Xabier says:

        How much time do we have?

        We are in the midst of Collapse, and that is really all we need to know.

        Live well, and your date of expiration won’t matter a bit.

        Live in fear, as a slave, or injected, and you might as well have died long before.

        As for events on the horizon: Digital Identity/ CBDC’s by 2023, so one might be advised to research exactly what that means, and plan accordingly.

        Food shortages, etc: tomorrow, certainly.

        • Exactly, it’s a long process, we are trying to navigate inside this maelstrom, if possible avoiding the large boulders along aka the spikes – discontinuities in (foolishly) attempted emergency landing of such complex systems.

          They managed to provide IC+ realm with additional span of two decades extra, even for people sliding in recent yrs into faster degrowth profile (vs others) it was still life of marvelous opulence..

          From now on, the triage in available goods and services, balkanization / trade-security blocks, apartheid like controls of movement / access will be applied more openly everywhere.

          So, one can assume the next (or last) large logical step ahead is (selectively forced) abandonment of industrial era civilization. So far this has taken place partially and only on the very far edges, but it will eventually engulf regions closer and closer to the core as well.

        • Kowalainen says:

          Digital identity is such a silly idea. You already have a digital identity since IBM launched its tabulation machines. 40’s something.

          And as for your online signatures. 100% perfectly tracked and locked in after just one sentence of your typical prose.

          The usual ‘social credit’ in the normal sense (being a nice and trustworthy bloke) extended to your online ‘citizenship’.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Covid is directly related to peak oil. It’s the response to peak oil

    • My impression from glancing at the table of contents and introduction is that this book presents the decline of fossil fuels as something that we are going to have to adapt to.

  40. Fast Eddy says:

    That pretty much makes the Injection mandatory for children…

    • I read that 3 times

      I was genuinely interested in the connection between ”green energy” and ”mandatory injections”

      my intellect is not in any respect superior to the majority, far from it.
      So I thought: I’m missing something obvious here.

      but I think that comment strains the (already overstretched) link between your brain and your typing finger to breaking point Eddy.

      it certainly eluded me.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        So will you be Injecting the grandkids… or will you make them the Classroom Pariahs… (a step down from being the Class Dunce)

  41. Fast Eddy says:

    Can there really be this many CovIDIOTS?

    Unvaccinated students will follow stricter COVID outbreak rules, Ontario top doc says

    Sixty-four per cent of Ontario youth aged 12 to 17 have one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine and 42 per cent are fully vaccinated

    TORONTO — Ontario’s top doctor says students aged 12 to 17 who aren’t vaccinated against COVID-19 will be subject to stricter isolation rules in the event of virus outbreaks this fall.

    Dr. Kieran Moore says students who are fully vaccinated against the virus will have to take COVID-19 tests if they’re in contact with a high-risk person.

    Students who test negative can go back to school, but those who aren’t immunized will be off school for a minimum of 10 days while they wait for test results.

    Moore says unvaccinated students will have to take a second COVID test after about seven days, and they could be out of class for up to 20 days depending on the result.

    The province hasn’t yet released its complete back-to-school plan and Moore says the details about public health measures are still being finalized.

    Sixty-four per cent of Ontario youth aged 12 to 17 have one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine and 42 per cent are fully vaccinated.

    Moore called for parents to get their children vaccinated this week, noting that time has nearly run out for full immunization to kick if before school starts in September.

    “There is an advantage, just alone … to being present in school, full participation in all sports and activities, by being immunized,” Moore told reporters on Tuesday.

    “I hope that parents and students see that advantage.”

    Moore said the province is working on a plan to vaccinate children aged five to 12 for when vaccines are approved for use in that age group — something he anticipates may happen by late fall or early in the winter, depending on when trials and approvals wrap up.

    The fall plan for school may also include masking, Moore said, as public health monitors the virus situation.

    Moore stopped short of supporting a vaccine mandate for students and school staff on Tuesday. He said he doesn’t think the policy is necessary at this point because immunization rates in the province are already reasonably high, with 79 per cent of eligible people having received one dose.

    “I don’t think it’s a necessary tool in our tool kit just yet,” he said.

    Premier Doug Ford has said he doesn’t support mandating vaccines for workers, leaving it up to employers to develop their own vaccination policies.

    Calls have grown from professional groups and political opponents for mandatory vaccinations among health-care workers and other essential workers, including teachers.

    The Registered Nurses’ Association of Ontario has recently publicly supported mandatory shots for education workers.

    Doris Grinspun, CEO of the group, said on Tuesday that the current vaccination rate for youth is “pretty bad” with the first day of school just over a month away.

    She said the level of vaccination among students and staff, and whether measures such as mask rules are kept in place, will be a major factor in the severity of a fourth wave of infections.

    “I’m pretty convinced that there will be a fourth wave at this point, perhaps not everywhere in the province the same, but there will be,” she said in an interview. “The question is how serious it will be, and that’s what we need to mitigate now.”

    This report by The Canadian Press was first published July 27, 2021.

    • I think that Canada needs to figure out a way to do an “education at home” option. It could save oil consumption and cut back on the transmission of illness.

      Canada does have a lot of oil, but it is very dependent on US refineries for refining the oil and for sending finished products back.

      The price of oil is also too low to encourage more development of the Canadian Oil Sands.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I think the primary goal here is to create Variant Reactors… it doesn’t save any oil by having students home school… because the buses will still run – even if they are half empty.

        The main thrust looks to be — get as many people Injected as possible — go for overkill — failure is not an option — we NEED Devil Covid asap.

    • Xabier says:

      Horrifying figures: what parents would ever allow this? Homing in on the very young in a few months – inconceivable crime!

      Roll on Collapse: ‘civilised’ humanity is not worth saving, on this evidence.

    • MM says:

      The article lacks the point of “This is good for your health” but anyways…

  42. Fast Eddy says:

    IF YOU took antibiotics and suddenly collapsed with a racing heart, or suffered breathing difficulties or a rash, you would not blame last night’s curry. These are known adverse reactions to antibiotics.

    But when it comes to reactions from the Covid vaccines, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), the government body in charge of checking drug safety in the UK, will tell you that if you received a Covid vaccine yesterday and developed blood clots today, it could just be a coincidence, even if you were 100 per cent fit and healthy.

    This is how they are managing to keep Covid vaccines in circulation despite nearly 1,500 deaths and more than 1million adverse reactions which have been reported by more than 300,000 people.

    In the US, the fatality figure released by VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) is 11,000 but an unnamed whistleblower said last week that the figure is more like 45,000. As our MHRA admit that only 10 per cent of reactions may be reported, our figure could be much higher too, closer to 15,000 deaths and 10million reactions.

    • Xabier says:

      The MHRA is corrupt, and a law until itself, smilingly presiding over murder.

      Murders of the normal kind are, of course, ‘very rare’ in their terms,but we are still shocked by them and seek to avert or punish them.

    • So the 15,000 deaths is one guesstimate of the deaths of the vaccine in the UK. That is proportionately more than the guesstimate of 45,000 deaths in the US.

      • Minority Of One says:

        Not sure how reliable that 45,000 number is.

        A week or so ago the number of deaths logged in VAERS was about 11,000. We keep hearing that historically, the cases logged in VAERS are about 1-10% of the real number. Which would imply somewhere between 110,000 – 1,100,000. With such (deliberately) unreliable data, easy to come up with numbers way too high or way too low.

        • The 45,000 number was calculated by a person who works in forensics. She used a different data base (one with medical information for Medicare and Medicaid) to figure out how many people died within 48 hours of receiving a COVID immunization. The material was not very clear as to precisely what steps were used.

  43. Thierry says:

    I have found a strange document here:

    If you want some background about the Pfizer vaccine (gene therapy), maybe you should read this first:

    The first document is worth reading, do not jump immediately to the conclusion.

    The author is a certain Kira Smith, not sure she really exists. Look at her photo :
    Scary? The subtitle is even more!

    Anyway, this is the first time I read something about the real nature of the mRNA vaccines and their possible long term effects , and that doesn’t sound so much crazy.
    The strangest thing seems to be the 3′-UTR (Untranslated Region 3 First) whose functions remain unknown.

  44. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Delta variant raises global exposure to ‘political risk’ and economic slowdown, report finds.

    “While whole world is being affected by a sharp increase in social pressures, Coface assessment particularly flags impact of unemployment in Europe and United States.

    “Deteriorating living standards and purchasing power amid coronavirus, as well as a rise in inequalities, are cited as reasons behind worsening global social risk index.”

  45. Harry McGibbs says:

    “UK’s economy ‘not out of the woods’ after lockdown, Bank of England policymaker warns…

    “Jan Vlieghe said the UK was still grappling with the Delta variant of the virus and it was unclear what impact the removal of government support would have on an economy still struggling to return to pre-crisis levels of output.”

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “‘Massive slowdown’ threatens Merkel as Germany battles delta surge… The delta variant has set back hopes of a German recovery as Europe’s economic powerhouse faces the prospect of new restrictions and a “massive slowdown”.

      “Corporate jitters over a shortage of supplies and rising Covid cases triggered a surprise fall in business confidence across Germany this month…”

      • A massive slowdown in Germany’s economy is not at all good for Europe or the world economy.

        Also, when I look at the data, there are not very many new reported COVID cases. New deaths have gone up from an average of 18 per day to 24 per day. This is still very low for a country the size of Germany.

  46. Harry McGibbs says:

    “The returns investors expect to earn after inflation on the world’s most important government bonds have reached a record low in a fall that has had sweeping implications across global markets.

    “The real yield on 10-year US Treasuries fell further below zero on Monday as growing anxiety over the outlook for economic growth added fuel to a recent rally in bond markets…

    “Real yields in the eurozone also traded at all-time lows on Monday… Negative real yields pose a big problem for pension funds and other long-term asset allocators that are also grappling with equity markets trading at high valuations.”

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “The Dearth-of-Safe-Assets Era Is Over. Why a glut of Treasuries and other “risk-free” investments could be an even bigger problem for the economy…

      “…if we’re now facing a safe-asset glut, rates will rise, and so will the cost of all the new debt, and the obligations we already have will suddenly become much more expensive.”

      • Harry McGibbs says:

        “Fed now facing twin inflation, growth risks as virus jumps and supply chains falter.

        “A U.S. Federal Reserve divided over how to respond to fast-rising prices meets this week with the fresh complication of increased coronavirus infections and a global supply chain that, far from sorting out its problems, may be headed for more inflation-inducing trouble.”

      • According to the article,

        “But with very little fanfare, the safe-asset shortage now appears to be over, at least for U.S Treasuries. This is in part because the Fed started paying interest on the reserve accounts they hold on behalf of the country’s banks. The Fed started doing this after the financial crisis, creating a new interest-paying, risk-free option for banks to stash their money — which they’ve increasingly taken advantage of. The U.S. government is also issuing much more debt to manage the pandemic just as foreign governments appear to have lost their appetite for U.S. Treasuries.”

        So lots and lots of debt. Then as you quote, if there is a glut, rates for selling this debt will rise.

        Even if the inflation rate rises, I have a hard time seeing the US trying to unload the debt that the Federal Reserve is holding. It would collapse the economy, I am afraid.

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