Could we be hitting natural gas limits already?

Many countries have assumed that natural gas imports will be available for balancing electricity produced by intermittent wind and solar, whenever they are needed. The high natural gas import prices recently being encountered in Europe, and especially in the UK, appear to be an indication of an underlying problem. Could the world already be hitting natural gas limits?

One reason few people expect a problem with natural gas is because of the immense quantities reported as proven reserves. For all countries combined, these reserves at December 31, 2020 were equal to 48.8 times world natural gas production in 2020. Thus, in theory, the world could continue to produce natural gas at the current rate for almost 50 years, without even trying to find more natural gas resources.

Ratios of natural gas reserves to production vary greatly by country, giving a hint that the indications may be unreliable. High reserves make an exporting country appear to be dependable for many years in the future, whether or not this is true.

Figure 1. Ratio of natural gas reserves at December 31, 2020, to natural gas production for the year 2020, based on trade data of BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy. Russia+ is the Commonwealth of Independent States. It includes Russia and the countries to the south of Russia that were included in the former Soviet Union.

As I see the issue, these reserves are unlikely to be produced unless world oil prices rise to a level close to double what they are today and stay at such a high level for several years. I say this because the health of the oil and gas industries are closely intertwined. Of the two, oil has historically been the major profit-maker, enabling adequate funds for reinvestment. Prices have been too low for oil producers for about eight years now, cutting back on investment in new fields and export capability. This low-price issue is what seems to be leading to limits to the natural gas supply, as well as a limit to the oil supply.

Figure 2. Inflation adjusted oil prices based on EIA monthly average Brent oil prices, adjusted by the CPI Urban. The chart shows price data through October 2020. The Brent oil price at September 24, 2021 is about $74 per barrel, which is still very low relative to what oil companies require to make adequate reinvestment.

In this post, I will try to explain some of the issues involved. In some ways, a dire situation already seems to be developing.

[1] Taking a superficial world view, natural gas seems to be doing fairly well. It is only when a person starts analyzing some of the pieces that problems start to become clear.

Figure 3. World oil, coal and natural gas supply based on data of BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy.

Figure 3 shows that natural gas supply has been rising, year after year. There was a brief dip in 2009, at the time of the Great Recession, and a slightly larger dip in 2020, related to COVID-19 restrictions. Overall, production has been growing at a steady rate. Compared to oil and coal, the recent growth pattern of natural gas has been more stable.

The quantity of exports of natural gas tends to be much more variable. Figure 4 compares inter-regional trade for coal and natural gas. Here, I have ignored local trade and only considered trade among fairly large blocks of countries, such as North America, Europe and Russia combined with its close affiliates.

Figure 4. Total inter-regional trade among fairly large groupings of countries (such as Europe and North America) based on trade data provided by BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy.

If a person looks closely at the growth of natural gas imports in Figure 4, it becomes clear that growth in natural gas is a feast or famine proposition, given to upward spurts, dips and flat periods. It is my understanding that in the early years, natural gas was typically traded under long-term contracts, on a “take or pay” basis. The price was often tied to the oil price. This generous pricing structure allowed natural gas exports to grow rapidly in the 2000 to 2008 period. The Great Recession cut back the need for natural gas imports and also led to downward pressure on the pricing of exports.

After the Great Recession, natural gas import prices tended to fall below oil prices (Figure 5) except in Japan, where stability of supply is very important. Another change was that an increasing share of exported natural gas was sold in the “spot” market. These prices fluctuate depending on changes in supply and demand, making them much more variable.

Figure 5. Comparison of annual average natural gas prices with corresponding Brent oil price, based on information from BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy. Natural gas prices per million Btus converted to barrel of oil equivalent prices by multiplying by 6.0.

Looking back at Figure 4, natural gas exports were close to flat between 2011 and 2016. Such flat exports, together with falling export prices in the 2013 to 2016 period (Figure 5), would have been a nightmare for oil and gas companies doing long-range planning for oil exports. Exports spurted upward in the 2016 to 2019 period, and then fell back in 2020 (Figure 4). All of the volatility in the growth rate of required new production, combined with uncertainty of the pricing of exports, reduced interest in planning for projects that would increase natural gas export capability.

[2] In 2021, quite a number of countries seem to be ramping up natural gas imports at the same time. This is likely one issue leading to the spiking spot prices in Europe for natural gas.

Now that the economy is recovering from the effects of COVID-19, Europe is trying to ramp up its natural gas imports, probably to a level above the import level in 2019. Figure shows that both China and Other Asia Pacific are also likely to be ramping up their imports, providing a great deal of competition for imports.

Figure 6. Areas with net natural gas imports, based on trade data of BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy. Other Asia Pacific excludes Japan, China and Australia.

It is no surprise that China’s natural gas imports are rising rapidly. With China’s rapid economic growth, it needs energy resources of whatever kinds it can obtain. Natural gas is cleaner-burning than coal. The CO2 emitted when burning natural gas is lower, as well. (These climate benefits may be partially or fully offset by methane lost in shipping natural gas as liquefied natural gas (LNG), however.)

In Figure 6, the sudden appearance and rapid rise of Other Asia Pacific imports can be explained by the fact that this figure shows the net indications for a combination of natural gas importers (including South Korea, India, and Taiwan) and exporters (including Malaysia and Indonesia). In recent years, natural gas import growth has greatly exceeded export growth. It would not be surprising if this rapid rise continues, since this part of the world is one that has been increasing its manufacturing in recent years.

If anyone had stepped back to analyze the situation in 2019, it would have been clear that, in the near future, natural gas exports would need to be rising extremely rapidly to meet the needs of all of the importers simultaneously. The dip in Europe’s natural gas imports due to COVID-19 restrictions in 2020 temporarily hid the problem. Now that Europe is trying to get back to normal, there doesn’t seem to be enough to go around.

[3] Apart from the United States, it is hard to find a part of the world where natural gas exports are rapidly rising.

Figure 7. Natural gas exports by area, based on trade data of BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy. Russia+ is the Commonwealth of Independent States. It includes Russia and the countries to the south of Russia that were included in the former Soviet Union.

Russia+ is by far the world’s largest exporter of natural gas. Even with Russia+’s immense exports, its total exports (about 10 exajoules a year, based on Figure 7) still fall short of Europe’s natural gas import needs (at least 12 exajoules a year, based on Figure 6). The dip in Russia+’s natural gas exports in 2020 no doubt reflects the fact that Europe’s imports fell in 2020 (Figure 6). Since these exports were mostly pipeline exports, there was no way that Russia+ could sell the unwanted natural gas elsewhere, lowering its total exports.

At this point, there seems to be little expectation for a major rise in natural gas exports from Russia+ because of a lack of capital to spend on such projects. Russia built the new Nord Stream 2 pipeline, but it doesn’t seem to have a huge amount of new natural gas exports to put into the pipeline. As much as anything, the Nord Stream 2 pipeline seems to be a way of bypassing Ukraine with its exports.

Figure 7 shows that the Middle East’s natural gas exports rose in the period 2000 to 2011, but they have since leveled off. A major use for Middle Eastern natural gas is to produce electricity to support the local economies. Before the Middle East ramped up its natural gas production, much of the electricity was obtained by burning oil. The sales price the Middle East can get for selling its natural gas is far below the price it can get for selling oil, especially when the high cost of shipping the natural gas is considered. Thus, it makes sense for Middle Eastern countries to use the natural gas themselves, saving the oil, since the sale of oil produces more export revenue.

Africa’s natural gas exports have fallen, in part because of depletion of the early natural gas fields in Algeria. In theory, Africa’s natural gas exports could rise to a substantial level, but it is doubtful this will happen quickly because of the large amount of capital required to build LNG export facilities. Furthermore, Africa is badly in need of fuel for itself. Local authorities may decide that if natural gas is available, it should be used for the benefit of the people in the area.

Australia’s natural gas exports have risen mostly as a result of the Gorgon LNG Project off the northwest coast of Australia. This project was expected to be high cost at $37 billion when it was approved in 2009. The actual cost soared to $54 billion, according to a 2017 cost estimate. The high (and uncertain) cost of large LNG projects makes investors cautious regarding new investments in LNG exports. S&P Global by Platts reported in June, 2021, “Australia’s own exports are expected to be relatively stable in the coming years.” This statement was made after saying that a project in Mozambique, Africa, is being cancelled because of stability issues.

The country with the largest increase in natural gas exports in recent years is the United States. The US is not shown separately in Figure 7, but it represents the largest portion of natural gas exported from North America. Prior to 2017, North America was a net importer of natural gas, including LNG from Trinidad and Tobago, Egypt, Algeria and elsewhere.

[4] The United States has a strange reason for wanting to export large quantities of natural gas overseas: Its natural gas prices have been too low for producers for a long time. Natural gas producers hope the exports will raise natural gas prices within the US.

Natural gas prices vary widely around the world because the fuel is expensive to ship and difficult to store. Figure 5 (above) shows that, at least since 2009, US natural gas prices have been unusually low.

The main reason why the price of natural gas dropped around 2009 seems to have been a ramp up in US shale oil production that started about this time. While the main objective of most of the shale drilling was oil, natural gas was a byproduct that came along. Oil producers were willing to almost give the natural gas away, if they could make money on the oil. However, they also had trouble making money on the oil extraction. That seems to be the reason why oil extraction from shale is now being reduced.

Figure 8 shows a chart prepared by the US Energy Administration showing US dry natural gas production, by type: non-shale, Appalachia shale and other shale.

Figure 8. Figure by EIA showing US natural gas production in three categories.

Based on Figure 8, the timing of the ramp up of natural gas from shale seems to correspond with the timing in the drop in natural gas prices. By 2008 (the first year shown on this chart), gas from shale formations had risen to well over 10% of US natural gas production. At this level, it would be expected to have an impact on prices. Adding natural gas to an already well-supplied market would be likely to reduce US natural gas prices because, with natural gas, the situation isn’t “build it, and demand will come.”

People don’t raise the temperature to which they heat their homes, at least not very much, simply because the natural gas price is lower. The use of natural gas as a transport fuel has not caught on because of all of the infrastructure that would be required to enable the transition. The one substitution that has tended to take place is the use of natural gas to replace coal, particularly in electricity generation. This likely means that a major shift back to coal use cannot really be done, although a smaller shift can be done, and, in fact, seems to already be taking place, based on EIA data.

[5] The reason that limits are a concern for natural gas is because the economy is very much more interconnected, and much more dependent on energy, than most people assume.

I think of the economy as being interconnected in much the same way as the many systems within a human being are interconnected. For example, humans have a circulatory system, or perhaps several such circulatory systems, for different fluids; economies have highway systems and road systems, as well as pipeline systems.

Humans require food at regular intervals. They have a digestive system to help them digest this food. The food has to be of the right kinds, not all sweets, for example. The economy needs energy of the right kinds, as well. It has many kinds of devices that use this energy. Intermittent electricity from wind or solar, by itself, doesn’t really work.

Human beings have kinds of alarms that go off to tell if there is something wrong. They feel hungry if they haven’t eaten in a while. They feel thirsty if they need water to drink. They may feel overheated if an infection gives them a fever. An economy has alarms that go off, as well. Prices rise too high for consumers. Or, companies go bankrupt from low market prices for their products. Or, widespread defaults on loans become a problem.

The symptoms we are seeing now with the UK economy relate to a natural gas import system that is showing signs of distress. It is pleasant to think that the central bankers or public officials can fix all problems, but they really cannot, just as we cannot fix all problems with our health.

[6] Inexpensive energy plays an essential role in the economy.

We all know that inexpensive food is far preferable to expensive food in powering our own personal economies. For example, if we need to spend 14 hours producing enough food to live on (either directly by farming, or indirectly by earning wages to buy the food), it is clear that we will not be able to afford much of anything other than food. On the other hand, if we can produce food to live on in 30 minutes a day (directly or indirectly), then we can spend the rest of the day earning money to buy other goods and services. We likely can afford many kinds of goods and services. Thus, a low price for food makes a big difference.

It is the same way with the overall economy. If energy costs are low, the cost of producing food is likely low because the cost of using tractors, fertilizers, weed killers and irrigation is low. From the point of view of any manufacturer using electricity, low price is important in being able to produce goods that are competitive in the global marketplace. From the point of view of a homeowner, a low electricity price is important in order to have enough funds left over after paying the electricity bill to be able to afford other goods and services.

Economists seem to believe that high energy prices can be acceptable, especially if the price of fossil fuels rises because of depletion. This is not true, without adversely affecting how the economy functions. We can understand this problem at our household level; if food prices suddenly rise, the rest of our budget must shrink back.

[7] If energy prices spike, these high prices tend to push the economy into recession.

A key issue with fossil fuels is depletion. The resources that are the least expensive to access and remove tend to be extracted first. In theory, there is a great deal more fossil fuel available, if the price rises high enough. The problem is that there is a balancing act between what the producer needs and what the consumer can afford. If energy prices rise very high, consumers are forced to cut back on their spending, pushing the economy into recession.

High oil prices were a major factor pushing the United States and other major users of oil into the Great Recession of 2007-2009. See my article in Energy, Oil Supply Limits and the Continuing Financial Crisis. In part, high oil prices made debt harder to repay, especially for low income workers with long commutes. It also made countries that used a significant share of oil in their energy mix less competitive in the world market.

The situation being encountered by some natural gas importers is indeed similar. Paying a very high price for imported natural gas is not a very acceptable situation. But not having electricity available or not being able to heat our homes is not very acceptable either.

[8] Conclusion. It is easy to be lulled into complacency by the huge natural gas reserves that seem to be available.

Unfortunately, it is necessary to build all of the infrastructure that is required to extract natural gas resources and deliver them to customers at a price that the customers can truly afford. At the same time, the price needs to be acceptable to the organization building the infrastructure.

Of course, more debt or money created out of thin air doesn’t solve the problem. Resources of many kinds need to be available to build the required infrastructure. At the same time, wages of workers need to be high enough that they can purchase the physical goods they require, including food, clothing, housing and basic transportation.

At this point, the problem with high prices is most noticeable in Europe, with its dependence on natural gas imports. Europe may just be the “canary in the coal mine.” The problem has the potential to spread to other natural gas prices and to other fossil fuel prices, pushing the world economy toward recession.

At a minimum, people planning the use of intermittent electricity from wind or solar should not assume that reasonably priced natural gas will always be available for balancing. One likely area for shortfall will be winter, as well as storing up reserves for winter (the problem affecting Europe now), since winter is when heating needs are the highest and solar resources are the lowest.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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4,770 Responses to Could we be hitting natural gas limits already?

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Thanks for this… better get those Boosters rolling asap!!!

      Just eight of the 33 Vermonters who died of Covid-19 in September were unvaccinated, the Vermont Department of Heath said Wednesday.

      Health Department spokesperson Ben Truman said most of the vaccine ‘breakthrough’ Covid-19 fatalities were elderly. Because they were among the first vaccinated, Vermont’s elderly “have had more time to potentially become a vaccine breakthrough case,” he said.

      Expressed in percentages, 76% of Vermont Covid-19 fatalities were breakthrough cases. As of Tuesday, 88 percent of all eligible Vermonters (age 12 and over) had been vaccinated with at least one shot.

      At Tuesday’s press conference, the Department of Health September mortality statistics did not show a vaccinated/unvaccinated breakdown. Despite recent emphatic references by Gov. Phil Scott and Health Department Commissioner Mark Levine to a “pandemic of the unvaccinated,” the per capita rate of vaccinated breakthrough deaths has risen in recent weeks.

      Vermont Daily Chronicle asked Health Department spokesman Ben Truman Tuesday for a vaxxed/unvaxxed breakdown of the 33 September deaths. The full text of his email appears below:

      “Eight of the 33 deaths in September were not vaccinated.

      • Hideaway says:

        Go to the information and actually read the data…

        https://www.healthvermont.gov/covid-19/vaccine/covid-19-vaccine-dashboard

        Over 95% of those aged 60+ have been vaccinated leaving less than 5% unvaccinated..

        The unvaccinated once again make up an unusual proportion of those that died, just on 25% of deaths were unvaccinated people.

        If the whole population was unvaccinated we would expect a death rate of 152 people for September instead of only 33 for Vermont.

        Once again you have failed to understand the numbers FE!!

        https://vermontbiz.com/news/2021/september/02/vdh-reports-two-more-covid-deaths-279-cases-increase-145

        “There are three deaths in the 30-35 range. Deaths from COVID increase by age with the largest group, 80 and older, having by far the most fatalities with 148. However, most COVID-19 cases by far are in the 20-29 age range, with 5,706 of 28,542 total. The 18-29 age group has by far the lowest vaccination rate in the state (60.4 percent with at least one dose versus 81.9 percent overall).”

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Stop trying to make up excuses…. facts are FACTS…. don’t care if they were old… don’t care if they had other diseases… all I care about is:

          Just eight of the 33 Vermonters who died of Covid-19 in September were unvaccinated, the Vermont Department of Heath said Wednesday.

          Health Department spokesperson Ben Truman said most of the vaccine ‘breakthrough’ Covid-19 fatalities were elderly. Because they were among the first vaccinated, Vermont’s elderly “have had more time to potentially become a vaccine breakthrough case,” he said.

          THE END.

          Well … actually … it’s not the end…

          But while 81.3% of people over 16 have received two vaccine doses, there are currently 8,340 COVID-19 patients in hospital in Britain, compared to just 1,066 a year ago.

          https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/hospital-strain-test-uks-vaccine-based-winter-covid-plan-2021-09-15/

          Now off you go to get your Clot Shot… Stay Safe!!!!

        • Minority of One says:

          Surely the point is, if vaxxed was 100%, there would still be about 30 deaths, when there should be zero? Quite funny how you invariably manage to put a positive spin on bad news.

  1. davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

    https://twitter.com/GingerChin5/status/1445548481167257608

    “Just left my Publix. The only thing that looked slim were sports drinks and juice drinks. Everything else looked well stocked.”

  2. davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

    “BREAKING: NIH Director Francis Collins Resigns After Documents Reveal He Lied About His Involvement with Gain-of-Function Research in Wuhan Lab…”

    I haven’t yet seen verification.

    I’m tired.

    are you tired?

  3. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    Finance & economics
    Can’t live with them, can’t live without them
    The age of fossil-fuel abundance is dead
    Dwindling investment in oil, gas and coal means high prices are here to stay

    FOR MUCH of the past half-decade, the operative word in the energy sector was “abundance”. An industry that had long sought to ration the production of fossil fuels to keep prices high suddenly found itself swamped with oversupply, as America’s shale boom lowered the price of oil around the world and clean-energy sources, such as wind and solar, competed with other fuels used for power generation, such as coal and natural gas.

    In recent weeks, however, it is a shortage of energy, rather than an abundance of it, that has caught the world’s attention. On the surface, its manifestations are mostly unconnected. Britain’s miffed motorists are suffering from a shortage of lorry drivers to deliver petrol. Power cuts in parts of China partly stem from the country’s attempts to curb emissions. Dwindling coal stocks at power stations in India are linked to a surge in the price of imports of the commodity.

    The Economist.com. There is a paywall to the site…
    Suppose the news is out..LOL

  4. davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

    https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/@NG.1

    US natural gas hits a new high of $6.39, a number not seen since the 2008 maddness.

    (so sorry for not being off-topic 😉 )

    2022 should be a quite interesting year.

    • Hideaway says:

      In 6 months Covid will be past history, except for taking the blame for all the supply chain interuptions that are causing spiking energy prices, or so the excuse will go.

      Realistically it will be energy constraints that are the big news but will go mostly unreported by mainstream media, except for poor Aunty Gladys that can’t afford her heating bill etc.

      Meanwhile if fuel and fertilizer prices go too high without the corresponding increase in grain/food prices, farmers will cut back expenses for a slight decline in yield, which will play out in food price hikes the following year.

      Covid came along to distract people from the big issues of energy decline, while the media still tout that renewables are replacing FFs. A huge buildout of renewables could buy the world an extra 50-100 years of modern civilization, but the numbers are a magnitude higher than most of the rosy pictures painted by renewable advocates..

      I’m all for continuation of modern civilization, I probably wouldn’t survive long without it…

  5. Fast Eddy says:

    Warning … this is from wolf the jerk off…

    New Vehicle Sales Plunge As Prices Soar Amid Supply Chain Chaos, Chip Shortages, & Depleted Inventories

    https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/new-vehicle-sales-plunge-prices-soar-amid-supply-chain-chaos-chip-shortages

    https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/US-auto-sales-SAAR-2021-10-04.png

    Good way to conserve energy.

  6. Very Far Frank says:

    If the images of artificial structures in the vaccine fluid in this article are genuine, then this is incredibly disturbing:

    https://rivercitymalone.com/health/pathologists-investigate-deaths-after-covid-vaccination/

    “On September 20, 2021, a group of several dozen physicians and pathologists held a day-long symposium at the Institute of Pathology in Reutlingen, Germany, to try and figure out why hundreds of thousands of people have died in Europe, alone, not to mention other parts of the world, soon after getting a Covid-19 vaccine shot.

    They titled the symposium, ‘Cause of Death after Covid-19 Vaccination.’

    This was followed by a session titled, “Undeclared Components of Covid-19 Vaccines.” Here they examined and discussed a host of non-biological components they found to a lesser or greater extent in the blood of vaccinated people. It appears that all the vaccines administered in Germany and Austria contained these non-biological objects.”

    • Very Far Frank says:

      The pathologists mentioned suggest severe (delayed) autoimmune effects as a result of the non-biological components.

      Going by Eddy’s CEP hypothesis, this would cause a gradual halving of population over the next decade among heavily vaccinated nations as they succumb to various diseases that would otherwise be shaken off.

      As the energy/supply shortages ramp up, this die-off would be easily plastered over and ignored. Quite an intelligent play if by TPTB if that’s the case.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        In many core nations the vax rate – we are told – much higher than 50% in the eligible population ….

        And the under 12s are being jabbed now …. not sure what a situation looks like when you have few adults and many children

        Lord of the Flies?

        • Xabier says:

          Mass indoctrination and total control of the children by the Masters: get them early enough and they won’t remember anything of normality – how perfect!

    • This article is indeed disturbing. The article says the entire conference is available for viewing. The conference was in German. If I understood correctly, it has been dubbed in English (or perhaps there are English subtitles).

  7. Mirror on the wall says:

    Lt Col Daniel L Davis (retired) makes a cogent case that USA interests would best be served by staying out of a China-Taiwan war.

    To take the analysis further, the most ‘Machiavellian’ and self-interested course for the USA would be to tacitly encourage Taiwanese successionists to provoke a war, and to then sit back and let China take the island – and to then reap all of the geopolitical benefit of an isolated China. Which raises the question of whether in fact that is the USA plan.

    We all know that the USA perceives China as a rising geopolitical competitor, and that USA wants to isolate China – and the ‘Machiavellian’ course with Taiwan would best serve that objective. So, we cannot rule the possibility out.

    That would work out stunning badly for Taiwan, but that is not a primary concern of USA, as geopolitics do not work like that. It would be very sad if Taiwan (and China) allowed itself to be ‘played’ in that manner, but a lot of peoples do get played by USA – the Kurds were a recent example.

    We cannot rule out the possibility that the USA is acting purely in its own self-interest – in fact that seems very likely. No peoples seem to do particularly well out of joining USA inspired conflicts these days, and there does not seem to be any obvious reason why Taiwan would be the exception.

    My advice would be for everyone to take a step back. I doubt that the isolation of China would do the global economy, and anyone, much good – which is the counter-argument against the thesis anyway. USA state may just be daft (see the British state) to put itself in this position – in which case a USA-China war cannot be ruled out?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/05/the-us-must-avoid-war-with-china-over-taiwan-at-all-costs

    The US must avoid war with China over Taiwan at all costs

    …. As I have previously detailed, there is no rational scenario in which the United States could end up in a better, more secure place after a war with China. The best that could be hoped for would be a pyrrhic victory in which we are saddled with becoming the permanent defense force for Taiwan (costing us hundreds of billions a year and the equally permanent requirement to be ready for the inevitable Chinese counter-attack).

    The most likely outcome would be a conventional defeat of our forces in which China ultimately succeeds, despite our intervention – at the cost of large numbers of our jets being shot down, ships being sunk, and thousands of our service personnel killed. But the worst case is a conventional war spirals out of control and escalates into a nuclear exchange.

    That leaves as the best option something most Americans find unsatisfying: refuse to engage in direct combat against China on behalf of Taiwan. Doing so will allow the United States to emerge on the other side of a China/Taiwan war with our global military and economic power intact. It would take Beijing decades to overcome the losses incurred from a war to take Taiwan, even if Beijing triumphs.

    That’s not to suggest we stand passively aside and let China run over Taiwan with impunity. The most effective course of action for Washington would be to condemn China in the strongest possible terms, lead a global movement that will enact crippling sanctions against Beijing, and make them an international pariah. China’s pain wouldn’t be limited to economics, however.

    It would take Beijing decades to overcome the losses incurred from a war to take Taiwan, even if Beijing triumphs. The United States and our western allies, on the other hand, would remain at full military power, dominate the international business markets, and have the moral high ground to keep China hemmed in like nothing that presently exists. Xi would be seen as an unquestioned aggressor, even by other Asian regimes, and the fallout against China could knock them back decades. Our security would be vastly improved from what it is today – and incalculably higher than if we foolishly tried to fight a war with China.

    Publicly, Washington should continue to embrace strategic ambiguity but privately convey to Taiwanese leaders that we will not fight a war with China. That would greatly incentivize Taipei to make whatever political moves and engage in any negotiation necessary to ensure the perpetuation of the status quo. The blunt, hard reality is that a Taiwan maintaining the status quo is far better than a smoldering wreck of an island conquered by Beijing.

    The only way the US could have our security harmed would be to allow ourselves to be drawn into a war we’re likely to lose over an issue peripheral to US security. In the event China takes Taiwan by force, Washington should stay out of the fray and lead a global effort to ostracize China, helping ensure our security will be strengthened for a generation to come.

    • Trading is going to have to be more local, to the extent that it can continue at all in future years. In this context, I agree that the US trying to fight with China over Taiwan makes no sense.

    • Bei Dawei says:

      “…to tacitly encourage Taiwanese successionists to provoke a war…”

      You mean secessionists. The position of Pres. Tsai Ing-wen and the (ruling) Democratic Progressive Party is that the Republic of China (Taiwan’s de jure name) is already sovereign, and needs no declaration of independence. Taiwan is already de facto independent. Tsai is a cautious sort, and unlikely to do anything like this unless a war has already started.

      “…and to then reap all of the geopolitical benefit of an isolated China.”

      Yeah, look how well that worked in Afghanistan. Sure, they’re isolated, but the USA is also viewed as weak. Imagine how the world would view them if they let Taiwan fall too. Nobody would trust them.

      Also, control of Taiwan would allow China to threaten Japan and Korea. The USA would cease to be a significant power in the Western Pacific. That seems bad.

    • jj says:

      China has always said Taiwan was theirs. The greedy corporations wanted all the advantages of China manufacturing without the risk of assets being stolen by China. China just watched as the semiconductor industry established its assets on what they considered theirs. Honest? Not exactly. If a guy wants to dump gold on your property who would stop him though. Now USA gets to be the enforcement for the pieces of paper that say the corporations own those assets. Its like someone that builds a house next to biker club house and then complains about loud parties.

      F*** the corps. If they wanted to keep their assets they should have kept them in a country with law not parked them on a wild west border.

  8. Fast Eddy says:

    Wow… the punchline is more like a punch in the gut

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/a-personal-story

  9. Marco Bruciati says:

    Italia buy a lot of elettricity from France . 3 central nucleare power work only for Italia. Italia not have Wind. No nucleare. Our Energy Is 40 per cent from gas. France only 17 per cent. Italia use gas for everything. We buy from Azerbaijan too. If gas price go hight Italia have big big problemas.

    • Lot of quality plastic manuf there which is exported as parts / sub assemblies to other EU countries, in other words when Italy is vulnerable to natgas price spike / unavailability it can easily ricochet to production problem elsewhere..

      • Marco Bruciati says:

        Yes. If big country as Italia Will be defoult or in bleckoit…its over for all. Supply chain suffer Just now

      • You make a good point about unavailability of natural gas in Italy could easily lead to unavailability of parts for assembly in other goods. I would imaging Europe’s car production could be adversely affected. If it makes appliances such as dishwashers and washing machines, it would seem like these could be affected as well.

        • Student says:

          ….about Italy: could a group of people think to introduce a digital passport to exclude some people from society? And reduce consumptions ? And channelling the rest of people in a new system of permissions and bans ?…..
          Green pass accidentally seems to fit that….

          • Xabier says:

            Yes,Student, it’s the only logical interpretation of the scientifically irrational ‘passport’ policy, which violates our basic human and civil rights.

    • BP data for electricity shows only a few large countries in Europe. In 2020, the data indicates that Italy got 48% of its electricity from gas generation. So for 2020, the share of electricity from gas seems to be even higher than 40%. I agree with you that a high price for imported gas will be a big problem for Italy.

      Netherlands is smaller, but it got 59% of its electricity from natural gas. If its largest field is closing down, it will soon be in worse shape than Italy, if that is any consolation.

      Germany and most of Eastern Europe use coal and at least some nuclear, so they use less natural gas.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        43% of UK grid electricity in 2019 was from gas.

        • You are right, the UK has a worry, but I don’t think it is as bad as Italy’s. The UK’s natural gas production is down, but it still produces about 54% of the natural gas it consumes, itself. Italy is importing virtually all of the natural gas it consumes.

          If nothing else, the UK can collect taxes on the higher price of the natural gas produced at the higher price, to help the economy along.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Winter is coming

          https://i.imgflip.com/1fgbic.gif

      • Name says:

        Marco Bruciati talked about electricity consumption, and BP data is electricity generation. There’s big electricity trade in the EU.

        • I am aware of the difference. This is a link to a report talking about the import and export situation. There are lots of nice charts.

          http://pfbach.dk/firma_pfb/references/pfb_european_electricity_flows_2020.pdf

          Italy is the largest importer of electricity, followed by the UK, Finland, and Poland.

          The biggest net exporter of electricity is France. The second largest net exporter of electricity is Sweden. Norway and Germany are both unreliable as net exporters of electricity. Norway had an unusually good net export year in 2020, making it the third largest exporter of electricity; its net exports were close to zero the year before.

          Germany net exports of electricity have been diving downward. Germany’s total electricity generation according to BP data is down by 12.4% since 2017. Part of this reflects rapidly falling electricity generation from coal. BP electricity generation data for coal starts at 1985. Of the years show, the highest year of electricity generation from coal was 1986. The highest recent year was 2013. Germany’s electricity from coal in 2020 was only 47% of this amount (off by 53% since 2013) in 2020. Germany’s peak in nuclear electricity generation was in 2001. Its electricity generation from nuclear in 2020 was 38% of this amount (off by 62%).

          While France is still a net exporter of electricity, thanks to its large fleet of nuclear reactors, its highest year of electricity production from nuclear was back in 2005. Its production from nuclear in 2020 was 78% of the 2005 amount (off 22%). This trend handicaps France in its ability to act as a net exporter of electricity.

          Now, nearly every European country is depending on net exports of electricity but, to a significant extent, these are disappearing because of the decline in electricity production from coal and nuclear. Alternatively, they need to ramp up natural gas imports.

          Paul-Fredrik Bach writes a lot about transmission problem being a big issue with all of the renewable energy that is being generated in Europe. Even when there is an excess of electricity available in, for example, Norway, there aren’t enough transmission lines to get this electricity to Stockholm. I think that there is also a big problem with depending on ramping up natural gas imports to offset falling coal and nuclear electricity production.

  10. Student says:

    EU regulators and AIFA has just has extended the expiry date of the vaccine Pf.-Biont. without any scientific reason.
    It is like as if the milk producer called you at home to tell you that the milk supposed to expire in October, will expire in November… just because it is like that…
    Incredible.

    Please see:

    https://t.me/RossellaFidanza/14874

    https://www.aifa.gov.it/-/estensione-del-periodo-di-validit%C3%A0-di-comirnaty-flaconcino-chiuso-

    (there is also a pdf to be downloaded)

    • Marco Bruciati says:

      What Is your name in facebook?

    • As I understand this, the shelf life of the vaccine is being changed from six months to nine months (presumably because the vaccine did not sell as well as hoped). One document says to continue to store the vaccine at the same very low temperature recommended in the past.

      The change would seem to represent a 50% increase in the shelf-life of the product. Was the original estimate that far off?

  11. Marco Bruciati says:

    Banks can survive if oil 120 and rates rise? And must print more or same?

    • The only way banks can survive is if somehow more and more funds can be dumped into the system (by forgiving debt and by “printing money” or by whatever other means). I am sure every possible means will be tried. I am not convinced it will work. I am also afraid there will be other problems, such as the Eurozone starting to break apart, or not being about to buy enough natural gas for all members.

  12. Mirror on the wall says:

    The Tories are ‘bigging up’ against the EU like house cats screeching and hissing at each other. ‘Give us what we want, do not retaliate or we will show you retaliation, &c.’ The EU has already said that it will respond to previous demands next week, and it is keeping a dignified silence. ‘Whatever.’

    We will just have to wait and see what happens. There has been talk for several months that this stand off could ultimately lead to a full-blown trade war between the Tories and the EU. Or maybe they will ‘kiss and make up’.

    It not impossible that both sides are factoring in an impending energy crisis, but it seems hard to see what the British state stands to gain from this. It is the BS that may end up cut off from everyone else. BS may figure that it will anyway and that NI is all that is left to play for. Or maybe they are still playing status quo.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/04/david-frost-issues-veiled-treat-to-ditch-northern-ireland-protocol-brexit

    > UK promises ‘robust’ reaction if EU starts trade war over Northern Ireland

    Brexit minister says he expects Brussels response to UK demand to renegotiate protocol within 10 days

    The UK will react in a “robust” manner if the EU launches a retaliatory trade war in the event of Brexit talks on Northern Ireland breaking down, the government has warned. The Brexit minister, David Frost, said he expected the EU to issue its formal response to the UK’s demand for renegotiation of the Northern Ireland protocol within the next 10 days, as he outlined fresh detail on the timeline for talks. It means a November crunch time for the Democratic Unionist party, which on Monday repeated its threat to quit Northern Ireland’s power-sharing administration and force fresh Stormont elections if substantial progress on ditching the protocol is not made.

    Lord Frost said he would then engage with the EU in an “intensive” manner for a “short period” before deciding whether to trigger article 16, the mechanism to suspend parts of the protocol and enter a formal dispute. Speaking at a Centre for Brexit Policy event at the Conservative party conference, Frost also warned that if no agreement could be reached, the UK would be “robust” if the EU retaliated by imposing tariffs or other barriers to trade flow between Great Britain and the EU. “We don’t think retaliation makes any of those things any easier,” he said, but if they did launch trade wars, which could include enforcement action in other parts of the Brexit deal, “proportionality is important”.

    Earlier on Monday, the leader of the DUP gave Boris Johnson until the end of October to solve the Northern Ireland protocol row, just hours after the UK issued a veiled threat to the EU that it would pull the plug on the Brexit arrangements. At a private meeting with the prime minister in Manchester and later at a public event, Sir Jeffrey Donaldson warned that the party needed him to “take action within weeks” or he would force an election in Northern Ireland. The DUP leader was speaking shortly after Frost said Britain “cannot wait for ever” for the EU to respond to its demands to rewrite the Brexit arrangement.

    Setting the scene for an imminent triggering of article 16, he said he was not confident that the EU would meet his demands. “From what I hear, I worry that we will not get one [a response] which enables the significant change we need,” Frost said. The government is also coming under renewed pressure from the European Research Group of MPs to ditch the protocol completely.

    • Bei Dawei says:

      I think that under international law, the UK would be justified in going to war over this. Belgium would make a good target–the British could allow the Flemish a referendum on secession, so as to split the country and eliminate Brussels as an EU city.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        It sounds a bit fictional.

        Do you figure that a belligerent UK would be a plus for Taiwan? Mind that you do not get yourself bombed by the CCP. I hear that their war planes are blacking the skies over there. Hopefully UK will not get involved. : )

        • Bei Dawei says:

          Naw, I’d just like to watch them fight. Ireland would make another good target.

          Chinese fighters have been entering Taiwan’s territory on a regular basis, yes. Not being an airman I’m not involved with any of that, no. As for “blackening the skies,” we’re not actually able to see any of this from land. What’s been happening is, their flight-paths have been cutting across the corner of Taiwan-claimed airspace over the Taiwan strait, and Taiwan has refrained from shooting them down.

  13. Mark says:

    This was posted at Peak prosperity. Wow.
    Not really CEP, but worse. (although proposes some positive outcome)
    I’d have to say a must watch though.

    • gpdawson2016 says:

      This interview is a must watch. Is the expression he uses ‘mass formation’? This goes a long way to what we see happening around us. The world does not operate by the textbook or, better said, the map is not the territory. Nor do we as people or as a society. This interview is an eye-opener.

    • This is a very interesting video. I do encourage viewers to watch it.

      It seems to me that self-organizing systems work strangely. I am wondering if what Dr Mattias Desmet is describing is something that naturally happens when resources per capita are too low. Bonds start breaking apart. There is a need to be bonded to some group, even if it is a group responding to a totally ridiculous story which gives an object to attach a person’s anxiety to. A group of people can be named as villains.

      I am wondering if the decline of the church, a decline of long-term employment, and a decline in marriage are all playing a role. People feel anxious and a need to attach this anxiety to some “solution.” A loss of pensions plays a role and the very divisive recent politics. There is a feeling that no solution works.

      If people can attach to the silly vaccine will save us narrative (the un-vaxxed are villains) gives people a feeling of meaning and belonging that was missing before.

      • Xabier says:

        I’d agree, Gail. Joining one group, and directing hate at no doubt another, can be comforting in disordered and worrying times: like ‘Good Spaniard/Bad Spaniard’ in 1930’s Spain.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Trying to unCovIDIOT someone … is not different than trying to unCult someone…

          The CovIDIOTs are part of the large cult called MOREONS… and they have embraced a techno fantasy world leaving them adrift and seeking a message that gives their pathetic lives meaning..

          CovIDIOCY offers the meaning they desire.

      • nikoB says:

        Perhaps everything that is dodgy starts to fall apart and people will grasp for any explanation to avoid confronting reality.

      • Bei Dawei says:

        Uh-oh, Gail is about to realize what this says about her comment section.

        • Replenish says:

          Bei Dawei,
          You have a certain knack. Have you read any Charles Eisenstein regarding the human shadow and mob mentality? He seems to be on point and able to navigate the us vs. them on many of these current events and controversial topics. I have done some creative work with him in years past. He’s a Yale guy who was featured on Oprah and he contributed to the Greater Reset forum. His book “The Ascent of Humanity” is excellent. He’s managed to stay relevant despite sharing his honest concerns about the social and political unrest and vaccine mandates. Thanks for your consideration! – Josh.

      • MonkeyBusiness says:

        “The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior ‘righteous indignation’ — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.”

        Aldous Huxley

        • JMS says:

          I believe Huxley realized this in 1914, when he suddenly saw millions of supposedly sensible Englishmen embarking for the slaughter with the state of mind of one who sets out for a joyous summer camp. Mass hypnosis works wonderfully, if you know which emotional strings to play. The key, as Dr. Desmet says, is to offer the masses an enemy, a target: the rich, the Je.ws, the viruses, the foreigners, the communists, the terrorists….

          • Fast Eddy says:

            The PR Team has a long history of making the MOREONS do their bidding … if they can get them to happily march off to be slaughtered in the trenches… it’s not much of a challenge to get them to inject an untested substance…

        • I am afraid that what Aldous Huxley is describing is what is going on here.

      • Mike Roberts says:

        Sorry, I haven’t watched the video but I assume the “silly” narrative is because governments, and many/most of the population, want a way out so they’re prepared to buy into that narrative. It can never work (there will never be enough vaccine coverage to stop outbreaks) but governments, and others, can blame the unvaccinated for the failure. Whether this all leads to civil wars maybe depends on whether outbreaks are bad or not (in terms of heath systems overload, deaths or long-covid issues).

        • Perhaps you missed the point early on that vaccines aren’t allowed for diseases that are curable by other means. In fact, there are allegations that ivermectin was listed as a potential cure, in an early patent by Moderna on a precursor virus. (Whoever has heard of a patent on a virus?? By someone who could make money off the vaccine, no less!!) Also, the share of patients that die with COVID-19 is ridiculously low compared to past pandemics. It approaches zero, if the disease is treated properly.

          When you add these issues to the fact that the “vaccine” doesn’t really stop the spread of the disease, and that there are an absurd number of adverse outcomes from the vaccines (compared to prior vaccines), vaccinating everyone is an incredibly stupid idea. It actually increases the chance of variants which do not respond to the vaccine and tends to make the pandemic worse.

          Shutdowns tend to kill far more poor people from starvation than they would possibly save in terms of COVID deaths. But if people are hypnotized by the media with its constant absurd drumbeat, logic goes out the window. They will believe anything.

          Those who are hypnotized by the new belief system feel that they have a new sense of purpose and belonging. Their free-floating anxiety can be cured because they now have the right to focus their aggression in a particular way: against the unvaccinated. They are causing all of society’s ills!

          I would suggest watching the video.

          • Mike Roberts says:

            Well, Gail, I don’t currently accept any of these points:

            When you add these issues to the fact that the “vaccine” doesn’t really stop the spread of the disease, and that there are an absurd number of adverse outcomes from the vaccines (compared to prior vaccines), vaccinating everyone is an incredibly stupid idea. It actually increases the chance of variants which do not respond to the vaccine and tends to make the pandemic worse.

            Though “doesn’t really stop the spread” is technically correct but this sort of phrase is often used to imply that it has no efficacy in reducing the spread. Apologies if you meant it differently. Where is the evidence of the “absurd number of adverse outcomes”? If you mean the various records of adverse events then you’re assuming that all, or at least an absurd number, of them are causative. Increasing the chances of variants is also an opinion, not any where near being a fact.

            I also don’t accept that shutdowns necessarily kill more poor than they might save. That all depends on how the shutdown is structured. I’m sure different countries will do it in different ways, so the statement may be correct for some jurisdictions but not for all.

            If I get the chance, I’ll watch the video (I got the impression it was more about psychological reasons for believing something than facts about the vaccine, hence my comment above).

            [I see your response encouraged the usual content free comment from the usual suspect.]

            • I also don’t accept that shutdowns necessarily kill more poor than they might save. That all depends on how the shutdown is structured. I’m sure different countries will do it in different ways, so the statement may be correct for some jurisdictions but not for all.

              Just to answer the above incorrect assertion:

              We live in a single world. It is the combined impact of all the cutbacks that the countries do that causes starvation among the poorest citizens of the poorest countries. It has little to do with how the shutdown in any particular country is structured. The issue isn’t that people in that particular country doing the shutdown starves. And the starvation likely takes place at a later time as well, at a time when food supplies are at their lowest.

              There are many reasons. For example, when any country cuts back tourism, it reduces the tourism trade around the world, and thus the jobs available from this around the world. This is the income poor people use to buy food.

              When any country (directly or indirectly) cuts back on the number of new outfits of clothing that people buy in a year, that indirectly cuts back on jobs in poor countries around the world. In fact, if mothers need to stay at home (because of a lack of child care for example related to COVID), rather than working outside the home, this also cuts back on the amount of clothing purchased.

              A third thing that we don’t think about is that the level of commodity prices greatly affects incomes of many people in poor countries, since these are places where the commodities (such as copper) are extracted. When these prices are too low, people in these industries find that the hours available for work, the general pay level, and the taxes that the governments can collect to provide services such as public transportation are far too low. It is through these indirect ways that the poorest people in the poorest countries find themselves starving. Their countries have no safety net for them, because they cannot afford such a safety net.

              Too many people think on a country by country basis, as you seem to. The starvation problem is worldwide, as is the virus variant problem and the adverse event problem. All of these have a time lag built in as well, making them harder to see as well.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              mike will be confused by this … he is only able to understand very simple concepts … the type of stuff that can fit in a tweet

    • JMS says:

      The sheepishness of the masses can be summed up as a need to believe that they are part of some kind of majority. Safety in numbers is a creed deeply rooted in the human mind. As normal humans hate the feeling of loneliness, they are willing to deny the most elementary logic or arithmetic (2+2=5?), and even harm their own interests if that provides them with that comfortable and indispensable sense of belonging. I
      And it’s because people crave consensus that consensus is so easy to create. For some reason we are social animals.

      Then there are the stray sheep, who, perhaps due to some psychological flaw, have never appreciated crowds or consensus. And of course these are cut out for the role of scapegoats, martyrs, etc.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I suppose when for the most part the only friendships people have are virtual and exist only on social media — or group gaming — (a friend of mine whose kid is now studying law in London when in highs chool would meet with friends and they’d barely talk — instead they’d all be focused on gaming… my friend thought that very absurd… )

        … the covid cult is appealing … throw in the massive campaign to brand the injection as the cool thing to do … and what MOREON could resist.

  14. Jimothy says:

    I was told by a friend who is more familiar with infrastructure, that in the United States we have to spend $1,000 per foot of road every five years or so, for moderately used rural roads (of the relatively low use class). This is to say nothing of urban/trucking routes. These roads are, of course, made of asphalt

    I’ve never fact checked this particular bit, but he’s always been reliable for this kind of thing

    Even if I and others can produce food, getting it to market safely becomes an issue. Of course, getting paid (and having goods available that I can buy with currency) also becomes an issue

    • Dennis L. says:

      This is what I came across:

      “Every road paving plan is different — the cost of paving a road depends on where it’s located, how wide it is, and several other factors — however, a good rule of thumb is that every mile of road costs at least one million dollars to repave, taking into account labor, equipment, and pavement expenses.”

      https://www.roadbotics.com/2019/12/18/how-much-does-it-cost-to-pave-1-mile-of-road/

      $5M/mile seems high, could be CA I suppose.

      Dennis L.

      • we built our infrastructure using surplus cheap energy (roughly 1900–1970 ish)

        we are trying to maintain it using scarce expensive energy (1970–to date)

        the bottom line is as simple as that

      • Jimothy says:

        I believe the figure he gave includes multiple repavings, though it is still probably a bit high. My road is moderately used yet needs major work maybe every three years. The materials they use and the job they do get worse over time as well. I imagine that in the past, it did not need repaving or patchwork as frequently.

        • Xabier says:

          On another blog someone who was responsible for road maintenance said that the quality of materials is declining.

          I’ve noticed that here decay is quite rapid: bad work, poor materials to blame – who knows? I’m no judge.

          But deterioration would probably be very quick if works were not constant.

          Obvious, of course, but we tend to take viable roads for granted, like everything else that comes from a barrel of oil.

      • Sam says:

        The numbers are higher for everything right now labor is up fuel is up so he might be right

      • Bobby says:

        Yay…print me a paper road

    • I know from my discussions with the American Petroleum Institute back when oil prices spiked in 2007-2008 that the price of oil is terribly important in all of this too. When the price of oil gets high enough, it makes sense to refine what would be asphalt, to produce diesel and gasoline. This is done through “cracking” long molecules to produce the shorter ones needed for gasoline and diesel.

      Thus, you suddenly have a double problem:
      (1) There is suddenly a lot less asphalt.
      (2) What asphalt is available is awfully high priced.

      Back about 2007-2008 was when paved roads suddenly started to be built with concrete, instead of asphalt, if repaving couldn’t be put off or be done with recycled asphalt. Also, quite a few rural roads were turned back to gravel roads then.

      With lower oil prices, the problem went away. But if prices spike very high, we will run into a lack of asphalt again.

  15. Yoshua says:

    Maybe a war with Iran would be about the destruction of Iran and its influence in the Middle East?

    Iran just joined the Shanghai Pact. Russia is a member of the Shanghai Pact and is militarily involved in the Middle East as well.

    Maybe it’s about the control of the oil in the Middle East? Trump didn’t build a peace pact in the Middle East between Israel and the Gulf Countries, he built a war pact?

    • Marco Bruciati says:

      War whit china in taiwan

    • when totalitarian regimes start to run out of steam

      they starts wars to take peoples’ minds off the reality of their situation.

      which is why China will attack Taiwan

      and the USA will do nothing about it.

  16. Yoshua says:

    Bloomberg commodity spot index hits an ALL TIME HIGH

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA4UgaIXEAYeTAA?format=png&name=large

    • Of course, this is not inflation adjusted. An inflation adjusted index would put the earlier points much higher. But it does show that market prices are up.

  17. cassandraclub says:

    Dutch natural gas futures going through the roof: +20% today

  18. Tim Groves says:

    A thrity-seven-year-old mother of two young children, Jessica was at minimal risk of dying from Covid-19, but she would have been subjected to a slick propaganda operation and must have felt she was doing the right thing in getting vaccinated, and now, sadly, she has paid the ultimate price for this lapse of judgement.

    Pretty girl too.

    I get angry reading some of these obituaries. Such senseless waste of young life. Such an ocean of unnecessary grief and tragedy is being created one death and one permanent disability at a time.

    Jessica Berg Wilson
    October 29, 1983 – September 07, 2021

    Jessica Berg Wilson, 37, of Seattle, WA, passed away suddenly on September 7th from COVID-19 Vaccine-Induced Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia (VITT) surrounded by her loving family. Jessica was an exceptionally healthy and vibrant 37-year-old young mother with no underlying health conditions.

    Jessica was born on October 29, 1983 to Arthur and Gwen Berg in Portland, OR. She attended Riverdale Grade School, graduated from Jesuit High School in 2002, and earned a B.A. from Oregon State University in 2007. After college, she had a successful professional career in human resource management and devoted her free time to numerous volunteer causes. She met Tom, her loving husband, in 2009 and they wed in 2012, going on to have two daughters, Bridget (5) and Clara (3).

    Jessica fully embraced motherhood, sharing her passion for life with her daughters. Jessica’s motherly commitment was intense, with unwavering determination to nurture her children to be confident, humble, responsible, and to have concern and compassion for others with high morals built on Faith.

    http://www.hoffnerfisherandharvey.com/obituary/jessica-wilson

    • Xabier says:

      Tragic, unsuspecting and betrayed.

      Perhaps we need to think more like tribespeople: if someone isn’t in your kin group, they may very well intend to harm you, or at least not care if you are.

    • Xabier says:

      I’m waiting for Big Pharma to embrace reincarnation:

      ‘Death, it’s just a transient phenomenon’.

      We’re just passing through – what’s the fuss?

    • Bei Dawei says:

      Of course the other side can cite obituaries too. How many do you suppose each side has?

      • Tim Groves says:

        Hard to say. There’s been so much fudging and forging of figures. So many people refused simple and cheap lifesaving treatment. So many infected patients lobbed into nursing homes like plague victims catapulted over city walls by invading barbarians. So many double-vaxees are still coming down with the symptoms of Covid-19 months after their shots. And there’s so little influenza about. It is quite possible that Covid-19 vaccination has saved nobody from Covid-19. You can’t prove the contrary, can you?

        And at the same time, it has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt that Covid-19 vaccination has killed tens of thousands of previously healthy people who would not have died had they been infected with the virus that causes Covid-19.

        Covid-19 the disease and the Covid-19 vaccines are all part of a single strategy—one of depopulation and genocide.b That is pretty obvious to those of us who haven’t drunk the Kool Aid. And from where I stand, people of your ilk—and Norman’s and Duncan’s and Mike’s—seem to be sitting in the spectator seats cheering the game, the agenda, and the project on. But I don’t wish to be ungenerous or to cast undeserved aspersions at anyone. So tell me, are my eyes deceiving me?

      • Artleads says:

        It’s not disbelief. We don’t get as far as disbelief. (I only ever talk to Norm, and can’t speak for Dunc.) There’s something in him that’s shut down to start with, and it would take a more skilled person than myself to figure out what it is.

        Tim Groves, so appreciate you very poignant post on the subject. People are aiding and abetting murder while seeming to be unaware of it.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          There’s something in him that’s shut down to start with

          You know when your computer seizes up and you have to hard reboot it? norm’s Pea – when faced with even the slightest contradiction … does that … but unlike the computer rebooting will not fix norm… because the processor inside the Pea is feeble… even if you reboot it will seize up again

          Lack of Horse Power…

        • we have had plagues for millennia, all of them traced to our unwarranted incursions into animal environments. They are a defence mechanism. . We crowd ourselves together, then decide that resulting disease is a conspiracy.

          I have pointed out all along that every medical procedure carries risk

          I have acknowledged that vaxing has been a knee jerk reaction by some politicians and medics, and carries risk to some people

          but

          when I am fed ‘truth’ by certain people, that the entire covid thing is a conspiracy designed by ‘elites’ to control–decimate–kill off (or whatever) the human race, for (presumably) commercial gain by a controlling elite (whoever they are) then I have to toss a spanner of common sense into the works.

          I do that because the covid/vaxxing thing comes at the end of a long list of ‘truths’ (going back 50 years) which anyone with a shred of common sense can see are part of some mass hysteria, fed by social media. (since about 2015)

          I have explained above how and why this is nonsense.

          In 2022 I have no doubt there will be another conspiracy which I will be expected to accept without question.
          Why?
          because I am told it is so, backed up with a few youtube nuttylinks.

          But all those ‘truths’ are part of the same self perpetuating package, which I am required to accept without question.

          If I don’t accept them, then there must be something wrong with me. (and of course others like me)

          I reserve the right to think for myself.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            And a contraption held together by tape … with panels falling off.. landed on the moon – says norm

            Oh and a building fell in seconds… because that’s what buildings do — says norm

            https://www.innovateli.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/laughing-ape-2.jpg

            • desperate for something the say eddy?

              tiresome

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Tiresome enough to convince you to spend your days down at the pub boring the patrons with the same end of more stories instead of boring us with them here?

              Have you booked your clot shot appointment? It’s going to every 3 months then 2 … then 1… then once/week… then … Mareks….

            • no one catch match your style of barstool swivelling eddy

              i wouldn’t even try

          • T.Y. says:

            It rather seems to me that you reserve the right to dismiss whatever argument you want to dismiss.

            A right that everybody has or at least should have to the maximum possible extent in order to ensure a free society.

            What people most definitely do not have the right for is to force injections or support regimes that break informed consent – a human right.

            So, if you are serious about the acknowledgement that vaccines are a knee-jerk political reaction and will cause harm to at least some people, for the sake of both your own and others freedoms, you should – loudly – object to vaccine mandates and restrictions.
            It is perfectly possible to do that without necessarily agreeing on any underlying pernicious motives from “them”.

            I would be much obliged if you could point me to a few posts from yourself that would actually demonstrate your alignment with the above, as it is not how i remember your discourse thus far on this topic.

            • TY

              impossible to recall every post i’ve ever made.

              we all have our opinions on all this—infinite shades of them i think.

              I have said that the vaccine is a knee jerk reaction by politicians who don’t know what to do.

              I have also said that vaccines carry risk, many times.

              At no time have I ever suggested that vaxxing should be enforced. But neither have I said that anyone has the right to put others at risk.
              ——-
              But ask yourself–you are about to board a 300 seat aircraft–and you know that one person in that 300 is at high risk, but is excercising his ‘human right’ to fly. despite that, and is refusing treatment.

              What do YOU do about YOUR human rights?
              ———

              Others however insist that vaxxing is going to be enforced on me. or my extended family

              Which is when I cry BS

              not entirely sure what you are looking for/expecting from me.

              I clearly make the point (many times over) that every medical intrusion on our bodies carries a degree of risk. Covid vax is no different.
              We balance that risk against the public good.

              my ‘dismissal’ as you put it occurs in the main, when i read posts containng truth and certainties’ on this subject and others, from individuals who come up with a wildest and wackiest notions, then become annoyed when i dismiss them as rubbish.

              There are, apparently tentacled critters, and iron filings in the vaccines, intended
              A–to decimate the human race
              B control the human race.

              or something.

              A few months ago. Bill Gates was putting something in each vial ‘to control us’—and I am not supposed tho laugh.??? Lots of people believe that.

              An elite is bent on killing us all and grabbing the planet for themselves.

              or something equally ridiculous.—-But it is somebody’s ‘truth’. It makes people angry when I refuse to accept it. Why I don’t know. I don’t get annoyed with people who DO accept it.

              Throughout my posts, the universality is that I don’t get annoyed or insult people My way is to reshape the insult , give it a sharper point and fire it back.

              But I am suppose to ‘consider’ all truths, and accept them. Something is wrong with me if i don’t.

              These ‘truths’ are disseminated by the same people who tell me the moon landing was faked, the CIA blew up the WTC, climate change is a hoax, and we don’t have a population problem. + more.
              JFK has been added to the list just this week.

              And you wonder why i cry BS?

              Everybody knows JFK was assasinated because he suggested going to the moon, knowing it was impossible,

              I do not accept ‘truth’ when it is delivered by known gullible fantasists.

              Don’t know how long you’ve been reading OFW–but we get at least one or two crackpot conspiracies a year—all ‘absolute truth’—which I, naturally , do not see or refuse to accept.

              If you care to read archived OFW material–you will see that none of this conspiracy nonsense appeared until around 2015/16.

              That was when ‘social media’ tipped into universal usage.

              check it out sometime

  19. Student says:

    Third dose for Covid and vaccine against influenza all together in the same appointment.
    One on the right arm and the other on the left arm.
    Additional vaccines could be given too, according to specific needs (probably on legs, I suppose).
    It has just been approved in Italy:

    Please see here:
    https://www.ilgiornale.it/news/cronache/terza-dose-e-vaccino-anti-influenzale-c-lok-somministrazione-1979273.html

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Eventually you’ve got so many holes in your body you have to inject into the feet… I understand that is what heroin addicts do

  20. Yoshua says:

    A war between Iran and Azerbaijan is coming?

    Azerbaijan is supported by Turkey and Israel. But a war with Iran would be a different thing than with Armenia. Although the population in North Western Iran call them self Azeri Turks and might turn them selves against Teheran, as they blame Teheran for the economic situation in Iran, with wide spread poverty and high inflation.

    Ultimately this would be a war over the control of the oil and gas in the Caspian sea.

    • geno mir says:

      More like a war over the wcraps of oil and gas in the caspean. Loom for the caspian agreement and which country gets what from the caspean. Russia is the ultimate winner, the other countriew bordering thebcaspean got only crumbles.

    • Bei Dawei says:

      I don’t see it. It’s just posturing. Azerbaijan is allied with Turkey, and indirectly, with NATO (which would like to weaken Russia by influencing Central Asia). Iran, Armenia, and Russia are the other axis, and they are indirectly aligned with China. Azerbaijan doesn’t dare anger the Russians–they were only able to invade Karabakh with tacit Russian permission and lots of Turkish help. (Russia was unhappy with Armenia’s new government under Pashinyan, and had other things to negotiate with Turkey, such as Syria.)

      Nobody can afford a regional war right now–Turkey’s economy is in terrible shape, and Iran’s is even worse.

    • Bei Dawei says:

      Also, Iran was in a sensitive position due to Iranian Azeris, who tended to support their co-ethnics, whereas the Iranian government was more allied with Armenia.

  21. jj says:

    Trying to treat covid late is like trying to mend a home that has the timbers rotted out from termites. In stage two the viral load is already nonexistant the virus has done the work that it was designed to do. It is unfortunate that the early symptoms of covid resemble those of the flu. When coping with the flu when the viral load is gone the illness is gone. Covid topples dominoes. Those dominoes are still falling after the viral load has dropped very low and they destroy the lungs of some of the infected.

    Awareness can play large role in preventing death. At the earliest symptoms ivermectin should be dosed. It is a incredibly safe drug. Prophylatic use of ivermectin would have this pandemic in the rear view mirror. Until people demand safe treatment and demand the end of gain of function research we will not be safe from engineered viruses.

  22. MM says:

    If renewables work as proposed (or in the very way they are being implemented not having any understanding of the economy or energy efficiency) the price of fossil fuels must go down inevitably.
    That the price of FF is going up after about 50 years frenzy of renewables it must become clear to some economists that there is something severely wrong with perception of reality and real reality.
    Does it? ah, yeah, let’s print some more money! Hurrah! Ah, no, let’s balme it on the Russians! Nah, let’s blame it on the wonderful C9/11 rebound! Nah, let’s blame it on the Chinese! Nah, let’s blame it in the Aussies and on and on…

    Quite an old document that showed something did not match with reality already in 2016 ist here by Clive Spash:
    https://www.clivespash.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/2016-Spash-This-Changes-Nothing.pdf

    • This is what the abstract says:

      ABSTRACT At the 21st session of the Conference of the Parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change held in Paris, France, 30 November to 11 December 2015, an Agreement was reached by the international community including 195 countries. The Agreement has been hailed, by participants and the media, as a major turning point for policy in the struggle to address human-induced climate change. The following is a short critical commentary in which I briefly explain why the Paris Agreement changes nothing. [Emphasis added] I highlight how the Agreement has been reached by removing almost all substantive issues concerning the causes of human-induced climate change and offers no firm plans of action. Instead of substantive cuts in greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, as soon as possible, the intentions of the parties promise escalation of damages and treat worst-case scenarios as an acceptable 50:50 chance. The Paris Agreement signifies commitment to sustained industrial growth, risk management over disaster prevention, and future inventions and technology as saviour. The primary commitment of the international community is to maintain the current social and economic system. The result is denial that tackling GHG emissions is incompatible with sustained economic growth. The reality is that Nation States and international corporations are engaged in an unremitting and ongoing expansion of fossil fuel energy exploration, extraction and combustion, and the construction of related infrastructure for production and consumption. The targets and promises of the Paris Agreement bear no relationship to biophysical or social and economic reality.

      – – – – – – – – –

      It has been my own view that the Kyoto Protocol, which was adopted on December 11, 1997, greatly enabled the shifting of manufacturing to countries using coal as their source of heat. In fact, it encouraged globalization, in general, ramping up CO2 production, since emissions were measured at the individual country level.

      • if politicians don’t keep voters in jobs—they lose their jobs, and maybe their heads too.

        nothing complicated about that.

        climate change? well–that will affect someone else, 000s of miles away

        if it affects me, i’ll blame that on the politicians too, and vote for somebody else

        then everything will be ok, and we can have BAU forever

      • Minority of One says:

        The UK is a pretty good example of what has been achieved so far. Absolutely nothing. Which is why I find any discussion of GW/CC pointless.

        It was in the autumn of 1989 that Thatcher declared in a speech reported world wide (I was in Canada at the time) that climate change should be taken seriously (https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107817).

        That was about the same time her govt announced the biggest budget on road building in UK history – I think it was £15 B. And money spent on road bujilding, airports etc has never stopped since. I have commented several times on the £1B+ the Scottish govt spent on a bypass for Aberdeen completed Feb 2019, when the city was already in the economic doldrums.

        We have achieved nothing (re cutting back on fossil fuel use. I don’t consider switching our power stations from coal to gas an achievement), and will continue to achieve nothing. And we are almost out of indigenous oil supplies i.e. we have pumped every barrel we possibly can. Just like everyone else has done and will do, until they can’t.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          They don’t take is seriously because 1. most of them know AGW is bullshit – man has a minimal influence on kllimate and 2. for the deluded MOREONS who think otherwise — there is nothing that can be done – and they know it

          • postkey says:

            “For climate change, there are many scientific organizations that study the climate. These alphabet soup of organizations include NASA, NOAA, JMA, WMO, NSIDC, IPCC, UK Met Office, and others. Click on the names for links to their climate-related sites. There are also climate research organizations associated with universities. These are all legitimate scientific sources.
            If you have to dismiss all of these scientific organizations to reach your opinion, then you are by definition denying the science. If you have to believe that all of these organizations, and all of the climate scientists around the world, and all of the hundred thousand published research papers, and physics, are all somehow part of a global, multigenerational conspiracy to defraud the people, then you are, again, a denier by definition. 
            So if you deny all the above scientific organizations there are a lot of un-scientific web sites out there that pretend to be science. Many of these are run by lobbyists (e.g.., Climate Depot, run by a libertarian political lobbyist, CFACT), or supported by lobbyists (e.g., JoannaNova, WUWT, both of whom have received funding and otherwise substantial support by lobbying organizations like the Heartland Institute), or are actually paid by lobbyists to write Op-Eds and other blog posts that intentionally misrepresent the science.”
            https://thedakepage.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/how-to-assess-climate-change.html

            • Unfortunately, none of these organizations take seriously energy limits, including how close they likely are. They ask others for input to their model regarding future GDP levels, for example, and future energy consumption availability. They have no idea what reasonable future amounts look like. They produce absolutely absurd future forecasts, based on the “Garbage In/Garbage Out” method of forecasting. Their models may indeed be perfect; it is the input variables that are nonsense. The future forecasts are as well.

              This is a different type of mass hypnosis that we are being subjected to. People reason that if our biggest problem is climate change, we couldn’t be “running out” of energy supplies in the near term. Wrong! Our problems are being hidden from us through incredibly bad modeling procedures.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I would have dismissed the flat earth societies if I had been born at that time as well….

              Gail has written a very good post explaining the purpose of the AGW and renewable energy lie.

              Where the MOREONISM comes into play is even if AGW was a thing … there is ZERO that could be done about it save collapsing BAU…

  23. Hubbs says:

    Oh yeah, and I forgot. The other catch word phrase is “ cutting costs while providing QUALITY CARE”

  24. Hubbs says:

    I just cynically chuckle how the catchword phrase in medicine has been “ meaningful use “ . Any treatment I prescribed needed to demonstrate effectiveness in order to be reimbursed by insurance under meaningful use – like the injections of synvisc or euflexa for example for treatment of osteoarthritis (the evidence was very unsettled whether they were any more effective than temporary relief afforded by a steroid injection, or lavaging out a knee joint with saline, performing an arthroscopic “clean out” of the knee NSAIDS or even placebo. ).

    These CPP vaccines fall under the same failure to satisfy “meaningful use” criteria and should now be lumped under the category of meaningLESS use. Oh the double standards.

    • I can almost see a “meaningful use” being available for the vaccine, if its use is limited to those who are very old, or having conditions that put them at high risk of death from the disease. In such a case, the vaccine needs to be administered well in advance of the virus going around, so as to reduce the chance that it will lead to mutations away.

      But even this use needs to go away, as cheap approaches for prevention and treatment become available.

      Comparing (1) the results of the vaccine to (2) the result of getting the illness and the medical community giving a level of care that unacceptably poor is hardly a proper way of analyzing the benefit of the vaccine.

      • Xabier says:

        That is very much the view of Dr Malone, Gail.

        Effective, and timely, early intervention: and ‘vaccines’ – maybe – only for the very vulnerable.

        Governments will ignore this, as they have other plans it seems…..

        • Fast Eddy says:

          That is EXACTLY what Yeadon initially said — but when he realized they intended to inject healthy people including children… he concluded something sinister was afoot.

          Of course… if they only give it to the at risk population that make it far less likely to create a super virus .. in order to create a super virus you need to:

          Mass infection prevention and mass vaccination with leaky Covid-19 vaccines in the midst of the pandemic can only breed highly infectious variants.

          When you are about to run out of energy … that means the cattle are going to starve… do you let 8B cows starve? Or do you look to science for a way to put all of them down?

          Marek’s disease is a highly contagious viral neoplastic disease in chickens. It is named after József Marek, a Hungarian veterinarian who described it in 1907. Marek’s disease is caused by an alphaherpesvirus known as “Marek’s disease virus” (MDV) or Gallid alphaherpesvirus 2 (GaHV-2).[2] The disease is characterized by the presence of T cell lymphoma as well as infiltration of nerves and organs by lymphocytes.[3]

          Birds infected with GaHV-2 can be carriers and shedders of the virus for life. Newborn chicks are protected by maternal antibodies for a few weeks. After infection, microscopic lesions are present after one to two weeks, and gross lesions are present after three to four weeks. The virus is spread in dander from feather follicles and transmitted by inhalation.[4]

          https://morningchores.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Mareks-Disease-in-Chickens-Causes-Symptoms-and-Prevention-FE.jpg

          Now I don’t expect the likes of norm dunc mike to understand this … it’s a little more subtle than the moon stuff… I can’t actually show you a taped together module… nor can I show you photos that are both back and front lit….

          But non-MOREONS are more than capable of seeing where we are headed… it’s already happened in First Injector Nations… and as we know … the Boosters calm the waters….

          Until: Immune Exhaustion https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=163

          • NomadicBeer says:

            Fast Eddy, while I don’t agree with your CEP hypothesis I can see some support for it.
            In fact I am surprised that you have not mentioned yet “the worst cold ever” which seems to affect the most vaccinated countries/regions as we enter the cold season in the northern hemisphere.

            And by the way, thanks for your tireless work to inform people here – though I do not agree with your language.
            I think people that become “true believers” in the narrative are not morons – on the contrary they tend to be relatively smart. Only a smart brain is able to create and sustain such compelling delusions as “the govt wants the best for you” and “censorship and authoritarian mandates are freedom”

            • Fast Eddy says:

              They are adept at performing tricks… lions are also good at complex tricks… they can track prey for miles and kill usually without being injured themselves…

              Ask a lawyer or a doctor to do that.

              Under Fast Eddy’s definition they are not smart… hundreds of millions of humans can perform circus tricks… plumbers… mechanics.. engineers… and so on …

              And these so-called smart people are farmed just like any other barnyard animal….

              Very few — and by very few — the number is likely under 1000… probably under a couple of dozen (if you exclude those who have been let in on the secret by the Elders – who run the farm)…

              Almost nobody has worked out the true nature of what we refer to as reality….

              Everyone else is a MOREON. Nothing wrong with that… if you prefer — we can use Barnyard Animal… it’s the same thing.

              Except that these MOREONS are convinced they are not MOREONS… and they can be irritating.

              I am finding myself increasingly irritated when I have to go into town (think of walking into a room and turning on the light and it’s swarming with thousands of cockroaches) — as I had to earlier to pick up the compost and a few things… the odds of encountering someone who is not a MOREON is on par with mike’s IQ….

              Someone should make a Twilight Zone episode about this — the only communication one can have with a MOREON is superficial… how’s your day — nice weather huh…. if you go any deeper it would expose that they are speaking MOREON (or cockroach)… and it’s impossible to communicate with them.

              https://content.assets.pressassociation.io/2019/02/07140505/7233c2c7-8e42-4755-aa49-6635535abea1.jpg

              Please note – subtle hints will not convince Fast Eddy to change course… Fast Eddy has a mission … and He will carry out the mission … right up until the CEP is done and dusted….

            • Mike Roberts says:

              It’s a shame about your delusions but do you really think that language is not important when engaging in discussions? Do you really think the the type of language that FE employs informs people who don’t already agree with his views?

            • the most important fact to bear in mind that FE wouldn’t dare use the language he uses if it was a face to face encounter, with a man or a woman.

              Online, he has security and anonymity.

              that, if nothing else, provides the measure of him.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              norm … Fast Eddy’s citizenship was held (but ultimately approved) on the technicality of having to explain two assault charges (both dismissed) from some years ago … one was grievous but it involved 3 triads who attacked Fast Eddy so Fast Eddy walked but had to pay medical bills.

              Fast Eddy admits.. he has a very short fuse… much better to conduct business online

            • rage is weakness

              but thank you for your confession, which i can only accept at face value

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Rage … if channelled properly… is power and success. It has served Fast Eddy very well in life…

              Rage and intensity on ice got him the funding from the team sponsor to launch a business… you want to back someone who does not quite.. ever.

              Rage and intensity are what destroyed much bigger competitors… In Fast’s early days… when Fast was still grinding at 2 or 3am … he was thinking … I’ll crush these soft c_cks… and feed them their entrails…. they are fast asleep…

              Fast kept a clipping with a quote from the MD of a competitor on his desk for many years – it said essentially ‘we’ve got a hundred years of history behind us — we’ll see these guys off’

              Their attempt failed and when the silly old bastard who dissed Fast died of cancer Fast thought f789 him… I hope he spent his last cent on pain medication and that the cancer was brought on by the stress of having to be beaten down for months by FE ….and chucked the clipping in the bin…

              Lack of rage… in the face of adversity .. is worse than weakness… it is pathetic… disgusting.

              FE is in a pretty much constant rage over these injections… anyone who is not … is an imbecile

            • especially–when a woman disagrees with you, and such disagreement has her condemned to ”a street corner”???

              purely on the basis of that disagreement?

            • Fast Eddy says:

              If you want her as a mistress just say so…

            • i was prepared to let this thread drop.

              you have decided otherwise

              some time ago we were regaled with your ‘attitude’ to staff in your local medical centre.
              where you marched in and started yelling at a lady behind the desk, about vaccines or whatever.

              the lady was not in a position to defend herself. A perfect target for the weak bully.

              all medical centres have large notices warning about abuse of staff, and the consequences thereof.

              Had you yelled at the staff—you would have been removed in short order, and probably removed from their list.

              As is more likely, you didn’t do the above, which makes you a fantasist. Which is it eddy?

              I call BS.

              Women are drawn to strong men, and walk away from bullies and weaklings.

              The lady in question (on OFW) had the temerity to question your attitude. (she had you sussed immediately) This led to a torrent of abuse, with the suggestion that she belonged ‘on the streets’..neither she nor I could see the connection, but no matter.

              “I have a short fuse”….I call BS.

              Only those who agree with ‘short fuse’ eddy can be allowed talkspace. The fact that that does not concern you reveals your ‘ self obsession’. Facts must be eddyfacts. Exclusively. Weird.

              Weakness was made clear in that reference. Strong men do not have short fuses. Weaklings do.

              As is the sexual reference in your last reply to me.

              The ‘sex’ thing is now a constant part of your response to anything that is contrary to your crackpot beliefs.
              That reveals a total lack of confidence in that respect. Your thought processes force you to dwell on it for some reason. I know precisely what that is.
              It has no place in this forum, you constantly bring it up. I do not.

              Women recognise weaklings, and walk (or run). She walked——-to repeat myself ad nauseam–this is your only audience.

              Quote from your first missive:
              >>>>>one was grievous but it involved 3 triads who attacked Fast Eddy so Fast Eddy walked but had to pay medical bills.<<<<<

              I accepted (with some doubt) that 'at face value'. That is hereby cancelled.

              now i once again call BS to that, especially after reading through the verbal vomit that followed it.

              The constant need to refer to 'self' in the 3rd person. The hallmark of someone disturbed and obsessed with 'self'.

              'dissing'' fast eddy…lol–one of the earliest lessons one learns in life is that respect has to be earned…it cannot be demanded.

              being unaware of that strips your life open like a fallen book–so easily read. You must have had an eventful life—demanding to be respected all the time.
              (back to my comments about the medical centre)
              I shudder to think what grinding at 3am is all about. Very odd.

              Still–it does bear out your attitude on OFW doesn't it?—anyone disrespecting eddy (ie disagreeing with him) gets his abuse hose.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              The thing is…

              You think the lady at the clinic is helping you … whereas I see her as being complicit in mass murder… it does not matter that is ‘just the secretary’… she’s the one handing out the invites and booking the lethal injection appointments (btw the exchange was over the phone – I have never been to the clinic).

              And I did not stop with the front desk – if you will recall I had a run in with the doctor (over the phone) who urged me to inject the two kids under our care… she was citing ‘data that indicated loads of kids are dying or getting hospitalized from covid’ I also raised this with the head of the clinic who called to follow up.

              What does norm do? He stumbles down the road to the clinic says ‘baaah… baaaah’ — More Injections More Injections…. well off to the ovens with your norm … not the slightest attempt at resistance… quite the opposite — norm is the Uncle Tom of the covid vaccines…

              As for disrespecting … you will notice that Fast Eddy has a very short list of people who qualify as MOREONS… you are the ones who not only fail to accept facts and comprehend logic — you generally will evade questions and continue to pump out non-stop rubbish…

              e.g.

              CDC Director: Vaccines No Longer Prevent You From Spreading COVID

              https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/08/06/cdc_director_vaccines_no_longer_prevent_you_from_spreading_covid.html#!

              What is the purpose of vaccine mandates if the vaccines do not stop you from getting and spreading covid – and almost ZERO healthy people get very sick from covid?

              One thing you are right about is that Fast Eddy does not generally confront MOREONS like he does on OFW when he has to deal with them in person …

              At least on OFW it is possible to force the MOREONS to look at the facts and logic… from experience confronting MOREONS with facts and logic in person only leads to them getting extremely angry and dismissive…

              MOREONS are irrational barnyard animals …. and an angry MOREON is a dangerous MOREON…. and they have big numbers. There is no upside … and as we know … no cure… so no point in confronting them

              So generally why bother….

              Except here. 🙂 Channel the Rage Against MOREONS… here.

            • accusing someone at a medical centre of being complicit in mass murder will, at best, get you removed from their list

              at worst sectioned for treatment at a more specialised and secure establishment.

              dissed by the doctor?? Respect, as i said, must be earned, not demanded

              which is why i call BS on all of it.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Actually I didn’t accuse them of that … but that is what they are doing…

              I’ve asked them to remove all traces of me from their lists … yet I still continue to get emails from them… and they refuse to remove my contact details from their list — I even told them I was leaving NZ when they continued to target me with vaccine invites…

              Do you think if I were to call them back and tell them they are running a murder factory they’d remove me???

              BTW – the doctor said children should be vaccinated because her data contradicts mine (which is from Johns Hopkins) and indicates loads of healthy children die and get hospitalized with covid…

              And when I raised this with the chief he suggested I must be mistaken because the doctor says she never said that…

              Oh said I — then why do you think I contacted your clinic some days after this discussion asking for the data on this that she promised me? To which he had no answer… to which I responded — so you are calling me a liar…

              He disagreed… So then the doctors is a liar? He disagreed…. Someone is lying … so it’s either me or her – which is it.

              To which he responded – there is no data so she would not be able to provide that so how could she have promised that ….

              To which I responded — so she is advising me to inject two teens based on no data — when the data I have indicates they are at near 0 risk of getting more than a sniffle from covid.

              We advise based on the Ministry of Health recommendations ….. ahhhh… said I …. and you get paid well for injecting children so the more the merrier…

              End of conversation

              When are you going to get that plump darling new grand child injected norm? It’s safe – and necessary norm?

              Of course norm will continue to ignore this — because he is a _______________.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Fast Eddy does not mind if people disagree… it’s when they ignore facts that he gets irritable… unfortunately that is what MOREONS do….

            • Mike Roberts says:

              Fast Eddy wrote:

              it’s when they ignore facts that he gets irritable

              Gosh, FE, you must be so irritable every time you look in the mirror.

            • it’s one of those old fairground mirrors

              always distorted

          • postkey says:

            ” I can’t actually show you a taped together module… nor can I show you photos that are both back and front lit….”
            Nor can YOU answer the question I have repeatedly asked you!

      • Mike Roberts says:

        There’s another aspect to getting good care and that is the resources (including people and property) being available to give that care to all of those who need it. If you’re referring to ivermectin, we still need that large scale RCT to get it into general use. For whatever reason, that isn’t being done, so what do we know is acceptable to the powers that be, that exists now and that can help people?

  25. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Hedge funds flock to oil as energy shortages worsen…

    “Portfolio managers purchased the equivalent of 42 million barrels in the six most important petroleum futures and options contracts in the week to Sept. 28, according to records published by regulators and exchanges.”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/global-oil/rpt-column-hedge-funds-flock-to-oil-as-energy-shortages-worsen-kemp-idUSL1N2R00R9

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Winter energy crisis warning as Opec refuses to tame oil prices. Oil could hit $120 a barrel — analysts…

      “Oil prices could rocket in the next few weeks exacerbating the fuel shortage and leading to a winter energy crisis… That in turn will put intense pressure on central banks to shove up interest rates faster than they would like.”

      https://www.standard.co.uk/business/winter-energy-crisis-warning-opec-refuses-to-tame-oil-prices-b958844.html

      • Producers need at least $120 per barrel. Getting prices to that level, and getting them to stay at that level will almost certainly be next to impossible. The next thing after high price is layoffs and recession. I doubt that governments could manage a repeat of all of their money printing to stop all of these problems, but I expect that they will try.

        • Sam says:

          Yes but when? We are all shocked at the stock market still going on and on. Maybe oil can run for a while. There is no economy now and that doesn’t seem to effect anything. Ford manufacturing is down 27 percent… all industries are operating at below capacity…..

  26. Harry McGibbs says:

    “China’s banking regulator said on Tuesday that lenders including policy banks must ensure that the financing needs of the coal and power sectors are met so that consumer heating during winter is not affected.”

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/chinas-banks-must-meet-coal-power-financing-needs-regulator-2021-10-05/

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Despite an informal import ban, China has begun unloading Australia’s coal transport, highlighting the severity of the electricity crisis facing the world’s second-largest economy, analysts said.”

      https://californianewstimes.com/china-takes-australian-coal-deliveries-despite-import-ban-amid-power-pinch/547500/

    • Even if the coal producers and those generating electricity are losing money, banks must lend to them.

      I suppose if the loans go bad, the banks will be given shares of stock which they are allowed to carry on their balance sheets, as if they companies were really going concerns. This is the advantage of China’s method of organization.

      • Sam says:

        Isn’t the same or similar to what is happening with the oil frackers in the U.S?

        • No, the situation is quite different for oil frackers in the US.

          US oil production by frackers is down relative to 2019 levels. In fact, quite a bit of what they have been producing is from previously “Drilled but uncompleted wells.” They have not been ramping up new production, likely because really cannot produce oil and gas cheaply enough, even at today’s prices. There is too much of a depletion problem.

          If banks lend to companies using fracking, they will be on the hook for the losses if the debt collapses. The banks will be in danger of failing.

          The US has recently tried to prop up consumers with more debt and more loan payment and rent deferrals, but it has not tried to prop up the fossil fuel industry. Instead, its subsidies go to “green energy,” even though it really doesn’t work.

  27. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Russia’s top gas producer Gazprom plans to prioritise its home market over export sales because the winter will be cold and snowy, the head of its domestic gas selling business was quoted by Interfax as saying on Tuesday.”

    https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/gazprom-to-prioritise-russias-home-market-for-winter-2021-10-05

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “The European energy crunch intensified for yet another day on Tuesday, as the continent’s benchmark natural gas futures contract hit a record high and the impacts of spiralling energy costs continued to cascade through every aspect of the region’s economy, threatening industrial production and stoking worries about critical gas shortages over the winter.”

      https://fortune.com/2021/10/05/gas-price-crisis-europe-energy/

    • I would expect that Russia will not be the only exporter to prioritize its home market over export markets.

      If US natural gas production falls very much, I imagine that Joe Biden or his successor will be under great pressure to reduce the natural gas exports it sends to Europe and elsewhere. The same might be true for coal.

    • Minority of One says:

      This is what Gazprom has always done, this is just a reminder. It is rare that Gazprom has failed to meet its contractual obligations. In the UK, in the MSM media this is reported as “Evil Putin cutting off UK gas supplies”, even although I am willing to bet we have no long-term gas supply contracts with Russia (i.e the type of contract that states Gazprom must deliver).

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  29. Mirror on the wall says:

    At least 330,000!

    This is like a nuclear bomb going off for the RCC in France – and entirely their own doing. Some seriously ugly truth has been revealed about the ‘holy’ church.

    France is cast as the oldest RCC state in Europe (Charlemagne), but this raises questions about the survival of the RCC in France. Attendance is already in freefall.

    The RCC in Germany is trying to ‘reform’ and to declericalise itself in a synod, but Rome casts it as potentially ‘schismatic’. I would guess that time is fast running out for the RCC in Europe.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/05/french-catholic-priests-abused-children-report

    > French Catholic church expresses ‘shame’ after report finds 330,000 children were abused

    The French Catholic church has expressed “shame” and pleaded for forgiveness, after a devastating report found that at least 330,000 children were victims of sexual abuse by clergy and lay members of church institutions over the past 70 years.

    The publication of the landmark report on Thursday, France’s first major reckoning with what the Catholic church accepted was “appalling” abuse, has shaken the country with its horrific findings of a “massive phenomenon” of sexual abusers of children operating for decades within the church and its associated institutions.

    The two-and-a-half-year independent inquiry found that staggering numbers of children were subjected to sexual violence by priests and clergy while the crimes were covered up in a “systemic way” by a deliberate “veil of silence” in the church.

    The president of the investigative committee, Jean-Marc Sauvé, told a press conference: “Until the early 2000s the Catholic church showed a profound and even cruel indifference towards the victims.”

    The report found an estimated 216,000 children were victims of sexual violence by French Catholic priests, deacons and other clergy from 1950 to 2020. When lay members of the Church, such as teachers and catechism supervisors, were included, the figure rose to at least 330,000 children sexually abused over 70 years.

    • We also have governments everywhere giving us the “new religion” of belief that they can prevent all serious problems. The only serious problem, in their view, is climate change. Renewables can fix that. Simply have faith in elected officials and all will be well. The latest pronouncement is “Take the vaccine, and we will all be saved.”

      • Minority of One says:

        Spot on.

      • houtskool says:

        Indeed spot on. I need a lot of buckets these days to catch the narrative dripping from the ceiling.

      • Mike Roberts says:

        Plenty here don’t think that governments think the only serious problem is CC. They seem to believe that governments everywhere think resource shortages is the biggest threat. Hence the need to kill off as many people as possible.

    • geno mir says:

      Catholicism is a schismatic sect which ultimately broke its connection to Chfristianity in 1058 and remake itself into brutal power machine with sweet tooth for undearge boys and other assorted decadent practices. Let the holy roman catholic chursh in all its forms and bodies burn to the ground. Amen!

      • Bei Dawei says:

        Come now, this is like vegetarians attacking McDonalds for being the biggest and easiest target. The Orthodox are just as full of corruption, they’re just more decentralized.

    • Thierry says:

      I am not catholic or even christian but this story looks really like an attempt to destroy what remains of Christianity in France (which is not much). I am not saying there are no victims or less than 330 000, but what if we investigated what happened in public schools, or sport clubs, or whatever you want?
      As far as I can see, christian people seem less responsive to the state propaganda than others. Do people with no religion tend to fall more easily into totalitarianism? I would say yes.

      • Xabier says:

        The Christians who believe they are now experiencing the Book of Revelations, and that the vaxxes are the ‘Mark of the Beast’, will not fall for the absurd narrative.

        But look at the religious leaders who have told believers to get injected, to prove how good they are:

        The Pope

        The Dalai Lama

        The Mormons.

        The Orthodox Church seems more sceptical.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          IDEA!!!

          As the injections lose steam and the hospitalizations and deaths rise… and they begin to question the injections ..let’s tell the CovIDIOTS that if they brand a large X on their foreheads that will stop them from getting Covid….

          And unlike the injections other than initial pain that can be relieved with ice pain killers … there are no side effects… https://openvaers.com/index.php

          It would be really interesting to see how many of the MOREONS would go for this

        • Bei Dawei says:

          Can you go to hell for accepting the Mark of the Beast, if you didn’t know it was the Mark of the Beast?

          On the other hand, if you think something (barcodes, let us say) is the Mark of the Beast–even though it’s not–and accept it anyway (e.g. by buying things with barcodes), shouldn’t you go to hell? That seems fair.

          (I should write a book: “Theology in the Age of Jack Chick”)

        • Bei Dawei says:

          The Orthodox Church is deeply divided (as usual) on all things Covid. In a nutshell, Russians are more anti-vax than Greeks (at least in the diaspora), while weird monks and schismatics are more anti-vax than canonical bishops.

        • Thierry says:

          Who is still listening to the pope? Not even the Catholics. Bergoglio is the instrument to kill the Catholic Church, as it seems.

    • Bei Dawei says:

      I volunteer to be antipope! (Not Catholic, but “France is worth a mass.”)

      Anybody else remember “Stand on Zanzibar,” where the Catholic Church is divided into Left Catholics and Right Catholics, and one of the popes lives in France?

      • Bei Dawei says:

        Now that I look it up, Pope Eglantine of the Right Catholics was actually headquartered in Madrid. Apologies to all Right Catholics!

  30. Alex says:

    I’ll give you two quotes from two Austrian economists who I follow on YouTube. Neither of them is an energy guy.

    Mario Innecco: “We do not have an energy crisis but a fiat currency implosion.”

    Peter Schiff: “The problem isn’t a shortage of stuff, it’s an excess of money.”

    Can someone prove them wrong?

    • Why bother, why would you like to do that?

      They are known for their specific biases and sort of limited outlook.
      For example Schiff seems like to project himself as adherent to classical economic school, but that means in recent decades to be just a cranky perma doomer, while nervously day trading in what ever scheme on the markets when doing interviews.. (and not telling / sharing trading info with the audience) that’s beyond pathetic.

      Meanwhile, specific trends and bubbles are raging around like now ~600% upswing on energy, tech stock before that etc.. As already mentioned there are other way more studious people trying to learn new things (observe and predict), e.g. Gammon or Taggert / Wealthion, formerly with Peak Prosperity and many of their guests etc.. Or even that eccentric Keiser brings often fresh new analysis to the table (if you discount his pusher-men role in e-coin bias / scam).

      But the bottom line remains, even the best of them only observe-deduct from the grand game played by the top players way above them, so in fact this is all time-delayed (after the fact) analysis of not so much value at this point. Perhaps it’s better to tend the garden or just enjoying the last twilight of opulent IC living in truly hedonistic fashion.

      • Alex says:

        The more biases and limited outlook they have, the easier it should be to show that they are wrong, if the are wrong – don’t you think?

    • Bei Dawei says:

      Well *my* problem isn’t an excess of money!

      • Alex says:

        That’s the Cantillon Effect. Basically, if you are positioned near to the printing press, money printing has net positive effect on you (a lot of additional money for you, little price inflation). If you are positioned far from the printing press, money printing has net negative effect on you (little additional money for you, a lot of price inflation).

  31. Mirror on the wall says:

    The French state, which potentially has the backing of the EU, and the British state are skirmishing over resources. FS feels that the BS has denied it the fishing that it is entitled to in the Brexit deal, and it is threatening to withhold energy in retaliation.

    Geopolitics is largely about pretences and pretexts to assert power claims on resources, and ‘deals’ function in that context. Limited resources can encourage conflict.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10060377/France-threatens-cut-Britains-POWER-bitter-row-Jersey-fishing-permits.html

    > Now France threatens to cut Britain’s POWER in bitter row over fishing permits for Jersey as minister warns Boris: ‘You can’t live alone and bash Europe’

    France has threatened to cut Britain’s power in a dramatic escalation of the bitter row over Jersey fishing permits. Europe minister Clement Beaune…. accused the UK of failing to implement the Brexit deal…. Jersey only granted licences to 12 small French boats out of 47 applications this summer.

    Mr Beaune went further this morning, pointedly observing that the UK depends on energy exports across the Channel.

    “Enough already, we have an agreement negotiated by France, by Michel Barnier, and it should be applied 100 percent. It isn’t being,” he told Europe 1 radio.

    “In the next few days, and I talked to my European counterparts on this subject yesterday, we will take measures at the European level or nationally, to apply pressure on the United Kingdom. We defend our interests. We do it nicely, and diplomatically, but when that doesn’t work, we take measures. For example, we can imagine, since we’re talking about energy, … the United Kingdom depends on our energy supplies. It thinks that it can live all alone, and bash Europe.”

    Fishing rights were one of the key battlegrounds between Britain and France in their post-Brexit negotiations…. Diplomatic relations between the countries have hit a low point in recent weeks. Last month Boris Johnson told France to ‘prenez un grip’ and ‘donnez moi un break’ in the row about the AUKUS nuclear submarine deal that tore up a separate French contract.

    • Rodster says:

      A classic case of fighting over resources.

    • metro70 says:

      ‘We defend our interests’, France says.

      They should remember that they have sometimes needed help in defending their interests…and remember where that help came from.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        I suspect France state is not going to be playing the humble poodle to the British state any time soon out of ‘gratitude’ or ‘prudence’.

        The BS played the ‘balance of power’ for centuries to stop the emergence of any strong power on the continent that might challenge BS imperial dominance. BS fought against Napoleon, Spain, all comers basically.

        FS ended up in the ‘triple entente’ with BS and Russia state to ‘surround’ Germany state and to constrain its rise, which led to WWI and then WWII. RS agreed a non-aggression pact with GS, which left FS in the lurch, and it was overrun.

        Since WWII, FS has had zero intention of repeating any dependence on BS. The British Empire is gone anyway, the ‘balance of power’ is overcome, and the continent has come into its own as a unified force. France and Germany got together immediately with BENELUX and Italy, and Spain soon joined, and others.

        The best thing that ever happened for the continent, including France, was the demise of BS geopolitical power. The EU restored the ‘internationalism’, the cooperation that had historically prevailed on the continent with the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation prior to its breakdown in the religious wars and the BS imposition of the ‘balance of power’. What comes next is anyone’s guess.

    • France has electricity to sell. Perhaps it would rather use it for its own needs, now that natural gas is high priced. Or sell it elsewhere, at a higher price. Or simply, get back at the UK for a perceived wrong.

      I would agree with Rodster, saint that it is a classic case of fighting over resources.

      • Marco Bruciati says:

        Italia buy a lot of elettricity from France . 3 central nucleare power work only for Italia. Italia not have Wind. No nucleare. Our Energy Is 40 per cent from gas. France only 17 per cent. Italia use gas for everything. We buy from Azerbaijan too. If gas price go hight Italia have big big problemas.

  32. Aravind says:

    Don’t really feel like posting this since it is about Covid. Have not been vaccinated and don’t intend to. Am from Kerala, the state in India now infamous for having the highest number of Covid cases (though not that many deaths) as opposed to much larger north Indian states like Uttar Pradesh that managed to bring down cases and deaths to near zero with the use of Ivermectin. I had posted the comparative study of these two states, which sort of proved that Ivermectin was effective, in a whatsapp group. Today there was another post in that group about the “cautionary tale” from Brazil that advocated against using Ivermectin. Not sure what to make of it. Here is the link:
    http://usa-today-news.com/2021/10/04/brazils-tragic-ivermectin-frenzy-is-a-warning-to-the-us-experts-say/

    • Xabier says:

      Thank you. It’s good to hear direct from India.

      Clearly ivermectin is not a ‘magic bullet’ by any means, but the growing independent medical consensus seems to be that it can be useful, at the right time, in the right way, and in conjunction with other drugs and supplements.

      It’s probably more or less useless if people are in a poor initial state of health and deficient in certain vitamins, etc. And if used too late in Stage 2 Covid.

    • Rodster says:

      Anything that gives the vaccines, Tony Fauci, Bill Gates and Big Pharma the middle finger, i’m all for that.

    • Hubbs says:

      I would be VERY skeptical of anything I read in USA Today, Washington Post, New York Times…and that’s just for starters.

      • Student says:

        I think that someone should enter into the details how India used Ivermectin and how Brazil did it.
        As far as I’ve understood it is important to follow a certain dosage and a certain timing for the treatment and maybe also add other treatments (Aspirin) or vitamins (D, C) together.
        There was a famous study made to actually show the poor effect of Ivermectin that was almost on purpose structured to let patients use Ivermectin only on a later stage. Of course it was not a success.

        • Minority of One says:

          I think you nailed it there Student:
          “I think that someone should enter into the details how India used Ivermectin and how Brazil did it.”

        • Xabier says:

          Totally correct, Student. It’s all in the details.

    • There are definitely tricks to doing this right.

      India had a different mix of drugs in its package. It included zinc and did not include hydroxychloroquine. India’s drug mix also included an antibiotic. Actually, the Brazil article is fuzzy about precisely what was given.

      We are not told what the dosages given were. The Indian doses of ivermectin were quite high. Ten pills, each with 12 mg of ivermectin. I would be not be surprised if the doses given in Brazil were far lower.

      The main function of hydroxychloroquine in this usage is to enable the uptake of zinc. But without zinc in the mix, it is fairly useless. Only a low dose is needed for this purpose; a high dose can be harmful.

      The devil is in the details. It has taken some time to figure out what dose of ivermectin really work. It needs to be quite high. It works best if treatment is started early.

      • Student says:

        Many thanks Gail for your explanation

      • Xabier says:

        We can be grateful that physicians with integrity have been working on this detailed ivermectin protocol.

        But what can we say about the vested interests who are keeping it from us in the West, pushing the vaxxes alone?

  33. Fast Eddy says:

    norm dunc?

    Bridgerton Emmy winner Marc Pilcher dies of Covid at 53

    The hair and makeup designer, who won for the Netflix show, was double-vaccinated and had no underlying health conditions

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/04/bridgerton-emmy-winner-marc-pilcher-dies-covid

    Vaccine = USELESS

    • Xabier says:

      So, can we take it that the Mars colony won’t be built by hairdressers?

      Douglas Adams would be disappointed…..

    • geno mir says:

      Even the beta-boys at pfizer are not drinking the kool-aid about the vaccines.
      Boy, things have reached 11 out of 10 in absurdity. The level of self-imposed monkey behaviour (namely see no “evil”, hear no “evil”, speak no “evil”) by the subjects is too damn high.

      • Interesting video. Records videos that shows names of scientists at Pfizer and, to some extent, images of these people talking about the company. “The company is just plain evil.” “Your own antibodies work better than those from the vaccine.” “There are eyes and ears everywhere; we don’t dare say anything negative anywhere.”

    • Eddy, what would happen if the Plebs win and the Humpty Dumpty falls? I was looking for your answer and could not find it

  34. nikoB says:

    I made the decision right at the beginning of covid that taking a vaccine for it would be far too risky. All of the science I read on it lead me to that choice way before vaccines were released.
    It has been incredible to me to see how the masses have just embraced them.I have friends who are scientists who refuse to look at the data saying they don’t have time and they trust the experts.
    At times it feels as though I am going crazy, have I really assessed the situation accurately?

    Then I have to remember that the most influential thinkers and writers regarding IC and collapse also look upon the vaccines with the same mistrust and concerns of terrible outcomes for those getting vaxxed.

    When the likes of Gail Tverberg, James H Kunstler, John Michael Greer, Chris Martenson, Dmitry Orlov and David Holmgren hold similar views to my views I then don’t think I am going crazy.

    So many thanks to all of you and your commentors too.

    • You might add Ugo Bardi to this list who think similarly.

    • Bei Dawei says:

      This is your list of “the most influential thinkers”?! You’re in an echo chamber.

      • NomadicBeer says:

        As opposed to you Bei, which only parrot the govt propaganda without thinking. Good troll!

        • Bei Dawei says:

          Well, if we can agree on the criteria for deciding who qualifies as an influential thinker, then we can have a more objective list. What do you think–citation indices? Prizes? TV appearances? Number of followers? I mean, Jack Chick has been called the most influential theologian of the 20th century, based on the millions of his comic-book tracts that people have distributed.

          We should probably narrow it down by subject matter too. I mean, Jordan Peterson, Yuval Noah Harari, E.O. Wilson, Thomas Piketty, Noam Chomsky, Thomas Friedman, Stephen Hawking, Stan Lee, Deepak Chopra, and the Ayatollah Sistani seem like they should belong on different lists.

          Whatever we do, we should be sure not to overrate bloggers or YouTubers whom we happen to follow.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      I can remember the first talk of the vaccines and that we’d have one in a matter of months.. and thinking how that was wishful thinking (aka impossible as it is impossible to thoroughly test)

      First thing I did was hunt around to find out what the story was on coronavirus vaccines… and I eventually landed here https://www.wired.com/2003/05/feds-race-to-make-sars-vaccine/

      I was already not planning to be vaccinated because I knew there was no reason to be vaccinated… but when I read the above and then saw the vaccine roll out not many months after…

      I knew this was a death trap.

      Then of course Team Bossche was formed… and details of the Deadly Plan … were exposed.

      And we are seeing this play out exactly as Team Bossche stated.

      Yet there are those who are privy to all of this … because they follow OFW… (and keep pestering FE for autographs)…. who are still planning to inject.

      https://intermountainhealthcare.org/~/media/Images/Modules/Blog/Posts/2015/exploding-head-syndrome.jpg

  35. Student says:

    It is interesting to see that a famous beverage Company has been obliged to use bulk carriers instead of container ships, because there was no room to ship the raw materials with containers.
    I don’t know the hygiene and safety implications of that (normally inside a container goods are more protected), but it they did it was surely in compliance with rules and regulations.

    http://www.ship2shore.it/it/shipping/coca-cola-pensa-fuori-dal-box_78578.htm

  36. metro70 says:

    All of these threats and angst back and forth amongst European countries over shortage of fossil fuels and the inevitable energy poverty… and their desperate measures to keep oldies alive …..and yet …. all of these policy-makers are about to switch gears in a heartbeat…all the movers and shakers will fly from the far corners of the earth in to Glasgow for COP26…whereat they’ll mutter darkly about the horrors of the demon coal and gas as they wax lyrical and pat each other on the backs about the magical wonders of their windmills and solar panels.

    Boris and the European Socialists are holding Australia hostage to their madness-trying to force us to submit to their maniacal collective will…. or pay their ransom in the form of tariffs slapped on our goods…their demand being that Australia must commit suicide as a modern industrialized nation….by killing coal and ditching the very gas they’re all so desperately dependent on because their windmills and solar panels can’t cut it.

    They demand no less than that Australia must be the only nation on earth that would be [ if they had their way ] 100% dependent on the weather…while every single one of our competitors and trade partners would have baseload energy in the form of coal…gas…nuclear…burning of biomass like there’s no tomorrow [emissions uncounted]and hydro plus numerous interconnectors to neighbors that have similar eg Nordic hydro.

    They’ll have that security forever.

    Australia on the other hand would have none of that baseload if our government accedes to their demands in order to be able to sell our exports into what they are making into a vicious consumer cartel.

    Such demands can only be seen as a hostile act in the extreme….warlike lmost… when you consider that they demand Australia cripple and weaken itself at a time when we are under unprecedented existential threat from China …verbal threats of annihilation and sanctions against our coal and many other export goods….because the Australian PM had the temerity to say that the world should investigate the origin of the Covid pandemic….in the interest of preventing further such impacts.

    Australia has the cleanest of coal and a great deal of gas…both of which play a large role in keeping Japan going…amongst other Asian countries.

    All of this madness has never been about science…there is no proof or evidence for any CAGW trend in the time frame 1850 to now ….that could only be due to CO2 rather than the powerful oscillations that drive the earth’s climate 24/7/365.

    The slight warming there is…. has a natural raison d’etre …apart from th oscillations…in the continuing emergence of earth from the Little Ice Age…and hence their reason for trying to expunge from history the LIA and MWP.

    What would the CAGW zealots expect the earth to be doing other than warming slightly as it emerges …would they expect it to be cooling and therefore icing up…towards a new Ice Age?

    This has always been…IMO…not a science-based concern for the earth’s climate…..they don’t even follow scientific process.

    It’s the last ditch desperate effort …now in its dying throes hopefully…of the ruthless Marxist/Socialist ideology that…in its various iterations and their desperation to enslave the world as in the former Soviet Union and China…has slaughtered >100million innocent people in its name worldwide.

    Immediately after the ‘new ice age’ alarm of the 70s the Global Socialists saw a totally natural blip that lifted global temperature to a new plateau…followed by the IPCC and UKMet admitted ‘pause’…and they saw and grabbed the opportunity to scare the world into destroying Capitalism to establish Global Socialism…IPCC officials have very clearly spelt it out that this is the intent of the whole thing.

    Hopefully if the Australian PM …between a rock and a hard place…accedes to the European demands against the wishes of his party and all sentient and loyal Australians….so that Australia can survive for now….reality will bite Europe where it hurts most…and the insanity of their wicked baleful experiment will be demonstrated for all to see……before Australia…America…and all the democracies weaken …decline and finally succumb ….handing the free world and our children’s futures to the murderous Communist Chinese Dictatorship …on a platter.

    • I think that Australia can no longer trade with the Europeans with their strange ideas. Australia needs to look elsewhere for trading partners. It is not like the Europeans have much to offer Australia in the first place. Perhaps Australia needs to “make nice” to China and Russia. The cost of shipping to Europe is high, now. Why bother? India and the Southeast Asian countries are nearby as well.

  37. CTG says:

    I came across a comment that reminded me that apart from “interconnectedness”, we have “complexity”, which is equally bad

    1. Our society has become too complex.
    2. Take a car, it used to simple and easy to maintain and repair.
    3. Right now, you have unnecessary stuff like keyless entry and push start. An additional electronics has to be put in place to check if the “remote key” is in the car or out of the car. If it is in the car, the car cannot be locked. Unnecessary complexity.

    It applies to every single thing that humans touch from bureaucracy to mundane things. How many times have we seen a system is put in place to monitor a system that has already being put in place because the first system is not working well?

    The commenter noted that if a device/equipment that is being made requires 100 parts, it must have 100 parts before it can function. With just 99 parts, it is useless.

    So, bear in mind that with added complexity, we are talking about a lot of unnecessary functions that goes into something which, a lack of that part will cause the whole thing “not produced”.

    Same goes for financial products where the chain is long and complex. No one knows if a default in A will cause issues in B. See GFC in 2008. “Subprime is contained”.

    It is similar to “I am a little pregnant”?? /sarc

    In other words, our system is actually more fragile that what we have thought to be. With supply chain collapse

    • Xabier says:

      ‘Let’s make vital things, with zillions of essential components, with a JIT supply chain thousands of miles, long in the shadow of an impending energy collapse ‘ was not very bright after all.

      How surprising!

      • CTG says:

        What irony if Harry’s peaty whiskey csnnot be exported due to shortage of glass bottles which has to be imported by China.

        • Harry McGibbs says:

          CTG, it would indeed be a bitter, peaty irony if that were the case but I think I’m right in saying that the local distillery uses a French manufacturer for its bottles.

    • What if the vaccines can’t be made because of a shortage of some vital ingredient?

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    48:00

    https://odysee.com/@WinstonsWorld:a/GloboCap:0

    Chomsky looks near death…. surely the MOREON is triple vaxxed and given his advanced state of deterioration … covid would definitely put him in a hole.

    Good riddance. Go Covid – Get Chomsky!!!

    • Xabier says:

      Dear old Chomsk suffered brain death long ago…..

      Jordan Peterson seems to be a zombie after his drug addiction, too. Rather pathetic. I believe he said ‘Get vaxxed and get over it’……

      • Fast Eddy says:

        It’s come down to this …

        If someone supports the Injections … no matter what their level off education… no matter what they do for a job … no matter what they think about other issues… they are MOREONS.

        They are deserving of nothing but derision … I spit on them… they deserve to be crushed under foot like cockroaches…

        If only we could purge the planet of these cockroaches….

    • Chomsky passing on the misbelief that the unvaccinated can pass along COVID, but the vaccinated cannot.

    • Let’s recall his disgusting smirk when first publications/authors dealing with the ‘2001 thing’ came out, this guy was a mere door stop limited hangout or rather (~pseudo intellectual plantation) gatekeeper..

  39. Fast Eddy says:

    This is why democracy is a bad idea… if you can convince people to inject a substance that was developed in less than a year… that could kill or maim them…. by bribing them with a hamburger…

    Well over 99% of humans are MOREONS. Dangerous MOREONS because they think they are smart.

    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/free-burgers-jab-students

    University of Canterbury students have come out in full force to get a vaccine and a free hamburger.
    Drop-in clinics are being held at the university’s Haere-roa building between 11am and 5pm today and tomorrow. They are open to the wider community as well as students.

    Hundreds of people could be seen at the clinic on Tuesday.

    A spokesperson for the university told The New Zealand Herald that, along with the burgers, music would also be playing at the clinic to create a “fun and festival-like atmosphere”.

    • Minority of One says:

      >> a substance that was developed in less than a year

      I sometimes wonder if they have been working on the vaxxes for years, especially the mRNA ones. The vaxxes seem too sophisticated to be something they developed that quickly, and only after sars-cov-2 got out.

      I believe that more than 90% of the UK adult population are now vaxxed.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Of course this vaccine (there is only one) was developed years ago…. but as far as the CovIDIOTS know … it was done in less than a year…

        And they are gleefully jamming it into their bodies hahaha…

        • Tim Groves says:

          Ooh, yeah! All right! We’re jammin’: I wanna jam it wid you. We’re jammin’, jammin’, And I hope you like jammin’, too.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            You should ping the PR Team and tell them you have an idea for their next campaign… they’d be all over this

      • Student says:

        I think that both senteces are correct.
        From what people know, people are accepting a substance developed in less than a year, which was never used before as a vaccine, neither on animals in a successful way (mRNA technology).
        From what we can reasonably think, they have been surely developing that substance for years (or at least more than a year).

    • Xabier says:

      I have to say, at 20 my idea of fun definitely did not involve getting injected by unemployed hospitality workers with a few hours of training…….

      A ‘festival atmosphere’? At Auschwitz 2.0?

      It really is the most surreal thing in all of this: Totalitarianism comes to NZ, of all places!

      Never very hard to imagine it happening in Europe, the US, or even Britain, but NZ……

      • Minority of One says:

        NZ is the only country where some yob punched me in the face (young, drunk and looking for someone to punch). I just happened to be passing him at the time. 1988. Christchurch city centre, right by the church that got damaged in the recent earthquake. I was cycling, following a local on a bike who did not see what happened so I was unable to stop and respond accordingly.

        But otherwise, the most friendly country I have visited. Friendly, and easily taken in by propaganda, just like everywhere else.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Probably a rugby player jacked up on steroids…. no point in reporting him — these clowns have diplomatic immunity in NZ

      • Minority of One says:

        “A ‘festival atmosphere’? At Auschwitz 2.0?”

        I am inclined to take the analogy with the Nazees one step further. What people are getting injected with is Zyklon C.

    • MM says:

      Look what happens when you do not read Goethe’s Faust.

      • Xabier says:

        A NZ girl told me that NZ was the land of ‘manly men’, who don’t read and hate art.

        Look how they have rolled over. …….

      • Bei Dawei says:

        The eternal feminine will just pull you all over the place.

  40. Azure Kingfisher says:

    A few questions for anyone in favor of receiving the COVID-19 “vaccines”:

    If you are in agreement with the consensus on Our Finite World that industrial civilization is collapsing; that finite resources are dwindling; that complex systems will ultimately give way to less complex systems, and so on, then how is it that you came to believe that this latest, experimental technology – a fruit born from the highest branch of the now shaky tree that is industrial civilization – would be an asset in your present and future life?

    Given the challenges that we currently face, have you not considered that opting for less complexity in your life would serve to increase your resiliency? For example, should you accept that you may need to take a COVID-19 “vaccine” every 6 months to a year to maintain your protection against severe illness and death, how long do you think you will be able to maintain that protocol as industrial civilization collapses? How long will this complex technology be manufactured, transported, stored, and available to you? What will happen to your health if you suddenly can no longer maintain your protocol? Additionally, should you suffer any adverse effects from these “vaccines” as industrial civilization collapses, how complex, and how chronic, will your ailments be and how much aid can you expect from the medical system going forward? Will there even be much of a medical system left to care for you?

    There’s no way around it: accepting the injections adds biological complexity to your organism. You may experience a little complexity (i.e., the “vaccine” simply triggers a mild immune response) or a lot of complexity (i.e., chronic illness, disability, or death). In either situation, though, routine injections will inextricably bind you to this current incarnation of industrial civilization, which, as many on Our Finite World can agree, is going down.

    Therefore, I must ask you: why have you chosen this moment in history, when all industrial civilization appears to be sinking beneath us, to tie yourself to the mast? If you’ve recognized that the ship is damaged beyond repair, why have you not recognized that you would be better served by disentangling yourself from its rigging?

    • Trousers says:

      Id rather take my chances with more industrial complexity and keep dancing a while longer than risk dancing with the wild virus and potentially pegging it, in the space of a few weeks.

      The whole point is we have to keep dancing with the industrial complexity and keep growth going until it stops. Then it all stops and goodnight.

      • Xabier says:

        Although the real point is, surely, that the current industrial system could have concentrated on getting safe home treatment packs to every vulnerable person – say over 40 or 50 at the youngest- which it could easily done by now, rather than all the vaxxes and useless test and trace systems.

      • NomadicBeer says:

        Thanks for you honesty, Trousers!
        You seem to fit the majority – a major propaganda that triggered fear combined with the desire to fit in.

        Of course, you could have check official data to see your actual chances of dying of Covid, but why bother? Daddy govt will take care of everything.

        By the way, how do you feel as a collaborator with all the censorship, authoritarianism and the oligarchs? You gave them your implicit support and all you got in return was a high chance of nasty side effects from an untested injection.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Fascinating isn’t it… just goes to show you … facts do not matter to those in the Cult…..

          MOREONS live to MOREON. MORE – ON. MORE. They need to do MORE MOREONING.

          MOREONING gives them meaning.

          MOREONING – verb – the act of making MOREONIC decisions and participating in MOREONIC activites.

          noun. MOREON – very stoooopid person

    • Xabier says:

      Bravo, Azure! I enjoyed reading that on this sunny morning.

    • Student says:

      Thank you Azure, very good explanation.
      I completely agree with you.

    • MM says:

      Your line of argument is right but that is not the way the human mind works.
      I recommend this video with Matthias Desmet about mass formation.
      https://odysee.com/@pandemicpodcast:c/compliance:2

      The problem is that a base anxiety in a society (environmental or energy cliff etc) can be brought to fixate on a single point of reference (a virus) in a way that the people do not have to face their anxiety but can project all their own little problems on this litle point of focus.
      The vaccine offers some sort of “relief” that doing it will just suck up all your anxieties and you may continue your “lazy” life without being confronted again.
      If you did not take the vaccine, you would have to confront all your anxieties.
      OFW fellows have (imho) confronted some of the worst anxieties and have found a way to cope with them. I think it was a difficult process for all of us to realise that the world is a complete mess.

      Taking the vaccine may kick the can down the road for you for a while but in the end as a human you will have to confront your anxieties one day or another and the more you have been kicking aganist that confrontation, the more irrational things these people will do just to not confront themselves. M.Desmet paints a very dark picture of that fallacy but says that due to the self destructing nature of this process, the mass formation has an inbuilt selfdestructive end…

      • I think that this is a good way of putting the situation:

        The problem is that a base anxiety in a society (environmental or energy cliff etc) can be brought to fixate on a single point of reference (a virus) in a way that the people do not have to face their anxiety but can project all their own little problems on this little point of focus.

        The vaccine offers some sort of “relief” that doing it will just suck up all your anxieties and you may continue your “lazy” life without being confronted again. . .

        OFW fellows have (imho) confronted some of the worst anxieties and have found a way to cope with them. I think it was a difficult process for all of us to realise that the world is a complete mess.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Misanthropes do not feel anxiety during these challenging times… quite the opposite actually

      • Harry says:

        Great, can’t agree more.

    • Thierry says:

      Really nicely put. This is the conundrum I will never be able to understand. Thank you for expressing it better than I could do.

    • Bei Dawei says:

      I resort to the fruits of industrial technology every day. I see getting vaccinated as like using antibiotics–you don’t want to overdo it, but there are times when they are beneficial. (No, you won’t be hooked forever. That’s ridiculous.) Sooner or later, we’re all going to die of *something,* so I can’t agonize too far ahead.

  41. Fast Eddy says:

    Australia > North Korea https://twitter.com/i/status/1444449902541553679

    • metro70 says:

      Australia has had 1346 deaths…Poland has had 75000 deaths.

      Most of our grandparents are still alive…and all restrictions in most states are about to be lifted.

      The events Poland and the mad MSM have their knickers in a knot about…. are from our Marxist-style government in the state of Victoria that’s signed up with China’s belt and road….it’s the state where more than half of the deaths occurred.

      As it is all around the world including the US…the Socialist/Left states can’t run a chocolate wheel without corruption and incompetence.

      The rest of the country has fared very well thank you…and is more free and well-cared-for than just about anywhere else on earth.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The reason that restrictions are being relaxed FOR THE INJECTED… is because the Elders want the injected to circulate to ensure there is an opportunity for the CovIDIOTS to be infected by the new and improving covid mutants…

        When you introduce the virus to an Injected CovIDIOT the virus and the injection do battle… the virus wins – it ALWAYS wins… because the vaccine is a leaky vaccine…. it cannot beat the virus…

        The virus strengthens… as we can see it did in Israel — and a storm of severe illness results …. Then the Booster gets rushed out … and the process begins again … and the virus gets even stronger…

        At some point the storm becomes a hurricane… and the booster is unable to calm it…

        It’s very amusing to listen to the CovIDIOTS having their ‘freedom celebrations’… they are completely clueless as to the fact that they are digging their graves.

        Mass infection prevention and mass vaccination with leaky Covid-19 vaccines in the midst of the pandemic can only breed highly infectious variants. https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

    • metro70 says:

      Why wasn’t my reply posted?

      • Minority of One says:

        If WordPress finds any words it does not like, your post gets parked until the moderator approves it. It is currently 4:54 am in Georgia, where the moderator lives,

        • metro70 says:

          Thank you….just wanted to know what was going on.

          • ssincoski says:

            Could you try to rephrase your post so we have some idea what the point was? I live in Poland, so always interested in what is going on here or what others see going on.

            All I saw was: Australia, Poland, something, something.
            we have had several days in the last few weeks with no reported Covid related deaths. And when they do occur, I have started to see a breakdown between pure covid and deaths with Covid and comorbidities.

            I feel fairly safe at the moment.

  42. Fast Eddy says:

    Some outstanding lies in this…

    She described the vaccine as a “ticket to freedom” and could see how it was protecting people against Covid.

    She referenced an unvaccinated person who caught Covid but did not spread it to their vaccinated household members.

    “The evidence is clear, the vaccine works.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-24-cases-today-government-unveils-vaccine-certificate-plan/FJK2VZIA43QFFFTKYBDLI6RU2Q/

    Hmmm… not working so well in Israel, Singapore, UK… etc…..

    But it does not matter… FACTS do not matter…. whatever the Donkey Face says … the CovIDIOTS believe it…

    The vast majority of the world believes this … because they are MOREONS… there can be no other excuse…

    I so enjoy when MOREON is not forced into the injection … and then dies… or better still is damaged badly … yes damaged is preferable — I want them to enjoy some suffering to remind them of their STUUUPIDITY… but of course they won’t think it’s stuuuupidity … but that does not matter… it’s all about shadenfroyd.

  43. jj says:

    The India numbers are quite consistent. Early treatment with Ivermectin vit D and zinc reduce deaths by about 95%.

    What does this mean? My best guess around a half of million people have died needlessly in the USA because of the suppression of early treatment and Ivermectin. Many more die every day because the suppression of ivermectin and the practice of intubation.

    Its not like we didnt know this. The early treatment India used is pretty close to the University of Virginia medical school treatment protocol released well over a year ago. Dr Pierre Cory did everything but get on his knees when he begged the senate to look at the clinical studies.

    Its not just the Ivemectin. India provided its people with a tool kit where they took responsibility for their own treatment and health. The government trusted its people and empowered them. Ownership and responsibility for health. The opposite of the USA where only the head shaman could possibly know anything about your health.

    What a beautiful thing occurred in India. The government and the people worked together but the power was put in the hands of the people.

    india has had some experience with medical fascism. Many people are still alive in India who had to deal with Sanjay Gandhis sterilization squads. Then kicking Gates out with his previous VAX destruction. You see the matajis and grandmatajis know that you dont just give up self evident rights because the government says you should. They can be downright feisty about these things! Mataji tigers.

    Oh i forgot. Its the women of the west that are teaching the poor women of the third world how to stand up for themselves. No wonder the MSM wont report on India. They cant handle real democracy as demonstrated by the people.

    As it stands its looking to me that India is about 100x more democratic than the USA. For all its poverty bigotry and corruption when push came to shove the institutions of india protected its people.

    The USA has not done so. The current policy of suppression of early treatment and Ivermectin represents a complete failure of the goverment, its agencies, so called journalists, and law enforcement to serve and protect the people of the USA.

  44. Fast Eddy says:

    2,475 new COVID-19 cases in Singapore, 8 more deaths reported

    The eight – four men and four women – were all Singaporeans and aged between 60 and 94.

    Three of them were unvaccinated against COVID-19 and five were vaccinated.

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-covid-19-cases-oct-4-2220091

    Let’s pause to honour the MOREONS in the audience.. who will not be able to understand the significance of the above…

    https://www.innovateli.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/laughing-ape-2.jpg

    • Hideaway says:

      Such a shame you don’t know how to read these numbers. Yes 5 vaccinated people died and 3 unvaccinated died, which would mean something if 50% of the population were vaccinated and 50% unvaccinated.

      In Singapore around 80% of the population is vaccinated, but it is closer to 90% for those over 60.

      The 8 deaths occurred in those over 60. There are 9 times as many people in that age group that are vaccinated than those unvaccinated, so the death rate for the unvaccinated was way higher than vaccinated!!

      This article claims about 177,000 unvaccinated over 60’s in Singapore at end of July ..
      https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjXlpyssrLzAhU56nMBHRnqCJIQFnoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.straitstimes.com%2Fsingapore%2Fhealth%2Fnumber-of-unvaccinated-seniors-aged-60-and-above-now-below-170000-ong&usg=AOvVaw3FGfs4Nx3jTxyWpN6EfEf5

      If that is around 10% of the population of that age group, then there are 1,593,000 vaccinated in that age group, over 60..

      If 3 out of 177,000 unvaccinated died from Covid, then if all 1,777,000 people over 60 were unvaccinated you would expect 30 deaths in total, yet there was only 8.

      You would expect 27 deaths from the vaccinated 1,593,000 if the vaccines were doing nothing.

      The vaccinations basically saved 22 people, such is the lower vaccinated death rate..

      • And if the medical treatment had been better, practically none of the people who came down with COVID would have died. Trying to use the “vaccines” instead of better medical treatment doesn’t get rid of the disease; it keeps it around and encourages it to mutate.

        People who catch COVID and develop their own antibodies are much better protected than those with the “vaccine.” The disease quickly becomes much less of a problem, especially if good, cheap treatment is used to cure it quickly.

        The comparison is between vaccine and unconscionably bad treatment. This is crazy.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Oh but I thought that if I had the vaccines I could not end up in the hospital or die?

        My Singaporean mates father has had not TWO but THREE jabs… and he is still in the hospital with covid… although he is stable so should survive.

        But while 81.3% of people over 16 have received two vaccine doses, there are currently 8,340 COVID-19 patients in hospital in Britain, compared to just 1,066 a year ago. https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/hospital-strain-test-uks-vaccine-based-winter-covid-plan-2021-09-15/

        You are fighting a losing battle here…. we already know what the formula is .. inject — virus strengthens… infections explode… hospitalizations and deaths climb — BOOSTER…. virus is knocked back… strengthens… infections explode — hospitalizations and deaths climb — BOOSTER….

        At some point Immune Exhaustion occurs https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=163

        Do not confuse the drop in hospitalizations and deaths post injections with success….

        Do you actually think that the Boosters are going to do what the original two shots did not do? i.e. stop transmission + stop deaths and hospitalizations? hahahaha… oh… really … you do think the boosters will save the day…. stay tuned…

    • Hideaway says:

      In Singapore around 90% of the population over 60 is fully vaccinated, so you would expect if the vaccines did nothing that the rate of 3 out of 10%, you would expect 30 out of 100% of that population to die, yet there was only a total of 8.

      Basically 3 out of 10% of population (over 60) died, and 5 out of 90% of the population (over 60) died.
      Your odds of survival are better being in the 90% (vaccinated) than in the 10% (unvaccinated)

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        what is the death rate over a 5 year span for persons vaxed every 6 months?

        and why isn’t that data available yet?

      • drb says:

        We don’t really know. Maybe there were also 100 deaths from myocarditis in the same group, and who knows where that comes from. The only real metric is the survival curve(s) for vaxxed and unvaxxed for the same age group.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Even fewer were dying pre vaccine … so dying was never an issue.

        Vaccines = 8 fold increase in infection + record deaths

        And now two is a considered a crowd in SG…

        BTW – if nobody was dying why did they vaccinate in the first place? And why are they offering Boosters now?

        If covid is like a cold or a mild flu… for all but the nearly dead… then it’s harmless…. but the vaccines are NOT harmless.

      • Student says:

        Excluding from this equation death and adverse events after vaccine and probabilty to be sucessufully treated with medicines, but it is cheating.

      • Tim Groves says:

        One other important point. How is a Covid 19 patient classified in Singapore for the first two weeks after being jabbed? Would they be counted as vaccinated or unvaccinated for the purpose of complying disease statistics.

        It has been suggested that in some naughty countries, vaccine-induced deaths have been counted as Covid 19 deaths/unvaccinated if symptoms began less than two weeks after the second jab. Does anyone know if this has been happening in the case of Singapore?

    • Mike Roberts says:

      As usual, FE picks on a single piece of data that appears to fit his stated view. Recently, Singapore’s director of medical services said:

      Unvaccinated people infected with Covid-19 are at 12 times higher risk of needing care in the intensive care unit or dying, compared with those who are vaccinated and subsequently infected

    • Aravind says:

      Can only watch from a distance with a mixture of sadness, relief and apprehension. Was an expat in Singapore from ’97 to ’09 in one of the top 50 Fortune 500 companies. Lived through the SARS scare of ’02-’03. Back in the day, used to take part in theoildrum.com discussions from there. Thought that the world economy was well on its way to collapse after ’08. The QE smoke and mirrors have kept the charade going for the last 12 years though. Sold my apartment there and moved back to India (Kerala) in ’09, with no steady job. Voluntary professional suicide, one could say. But turned out to be alright. Living as frugally as we could manage but closer to nature. Sad that such a nice place as the red dot (a nanny state as some would say) is going the way of Israel. But not surprising since they tend to blindly follow the US. Have never understood why Singapore should opt for the Pfizer vaccine (which needs storage at -70C) even though they are almost smack on the equator. Relief in having quit the place when the going was good. Apprehension that, with possible future vaccine mandates, this place might turn out much worse than Singapore.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Kerala is a nice place… fond memories of the trip through that area in what seems like another life…

  45. Tim Groves says:

    You can blame the climate if it makes you feel any better.

    But the real causes are a mixture of Malthusian dynamics playing out on the cusp of Peak Everything and the Powers That Be’s obsession with Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace.

    In 2001, the plan was decided to go to war with seven countries in five years—can you believe it?

    • Xabier says:

      The PTB are now redefining war to apply as much to the home battle front as the ME, Africa, or Asia, bringing ‘domestic terror’ and ‘misinformation’ threatening ‘ national/global health security’ to the fore.

      Yes, WE are now in their sights as much as any poor brown person far, far away.

      The fellow citizen as enemy, to be subjected to ‘pre-crime’ surveillance……

  46. Tim Groves says:

    The Testimonies Project

    This an hour and a bit of ordinary Israelis talking about how taking the jab has devastated their lives.

    Mike, Norm, Dunc, if you have had your injections and come through without health problems, well, good for you! You’ve been damn lucky so far! Congratulations, you didn’t hit the jackpot yet! That’s the very best my passive aggressive response I can mount to your crass hubristic nonsense.

    One commenter says of this documentary:

    This is very difficult to watch. In these dark times, people who are willing to share their stories of suffering and loss need to be commended for their bravery. It’s not easy to fight back against the beast.

    From the very first day of the “two weeks to flatten the curve” announcement, I knew something was very wrong. I refused to get the vaccine, but all of my immediate family members have had it. All I can do now is pray and fight.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Wow, that was quick!

      Never mind, here’s the Bitchute version.

      https://www.bitchute.com/video/CpkzmLt5OLBL/

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Video removed.

      norm … dunc… were you offered any incentives to get the 3rd Clot Shot?

      If you were offered cash or maybe a free blow up doll… that would make you less of a MOREONE that if you signed up with no freebies

      • the doll i have wouldn’t stand for that eddy

        though she did suggest, as you have so much spare wind, you might like to apply for the vacancy at the doll factory,

        senior blow up testers can make quite a lot of money, and right now, there’s a labour shortage there as there is in many other places. In fact –uninflated, untested dolls are piling up outside the test lab.–
        Clients are desperate to get hold of the latest models.

        you would have all the dolls lining up to be blow tested by you—as you are so well endowed re the space below your nose.

        in that job, your only concern would be wind output—you wouldn’t have to worry about the time delay circuit between your brain and your mouth being out of sync.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Look at norm… a pathetic shell of a clown … spouting gibberish… thinking it’s amusing… shot full of Mengele’s poison… deep bruises and wounds leaking green and yellow puss -with more to come… celebrating as if he’d won a small prize in the lotto as the spike proteins pollute his ancient carcass…

          Fortunately … it won’t be long now …

          https://images.dailykos.com/images/325191/story_image/Trumpwinter.png

          • Perversely, i enjoy your words eddy

            each one reveals the nakedness of your rhetoric, an inability to come up with originality—time and again the skoolyard wall and chalk level of childlike imagined insults, thrown with the vain hope that one will stick—somehow. You’ve been doing it for years. I admire your stamina if nothing else.

            the result is laughter at such juvenile efforts. I confess to sadistically enjoying having the power to control your verbal vomit output. Anyone pointing out the infinite nonsense of your utterances must be subject to a thrown-up wordmix, that makes no sense to anyone but yourself.

            OFW is your only audience. That much has been obvious for such a long time. I am genuinely sorry in that respect. Unlike you, I find no pleasure in the disadvantages of others. I offer a hand if i can.

            Pus is spelled with one s btw. It helps to have a reasonable command of the English language if you are going to try to indulge in wordplay.

            Otherwise, best to refrain.—ignorance flashes up like a beacon. I gave you a link to the Thesuaurus a while ago. Not my problem if you choose not to use it.

            words and the way you use them strip away the cloak of superiority to reveal the naked self beneath—impossible to hide what you are.

            Am now going to watch a documentary on dementia on BBC tv

            I need to be aware of the signs.

    • the video was reinstated today, note for late comers..

  47. Azure Kingfisher says:

    Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

    September 30, 2021

    Findings

    “At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.

    “Across the US counties too, the median new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people in the last 7 days is largely similar across the categories of percent population fully vaccinated (Fig. 2). Notably there is also substantial county variation in new COVID-19 cases within categories of percentage population fully vaccinated. There also appears to be no significant signaling of COVID-19 cases decreasing with higher percentages of population fully vaccinated (Fig. 3).

    “Of the top 5 counties that have the highest percentage of population fully vaccinated (99.9–84.3%), the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identifies 4 of them as ‘High’ Transmission counties. Chattahoochee (Georgia), McKinley (New Mexico), and Arecibo (Puerto Rico) counties have above 90% of their population fully vaccinated with all three being classified as ‘High’ transmission. Conversely, of the 57 counties that have been classified as ‘low’ transmission counties by the CDC, 26.3% (15) have percentage of population fully vaccinated below 20%.”

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7

    • Mike Roberts says:

      Interesting but this would need far more research. For example there is no treatment of the split in confirmed cases between fully vaccinated and others (for example, the majority of cases in Israel are unvaccinated). There is also no attempt to distinguish between variants in different countries or states. The other obvious problem I noticed was the apparent lack of understanding about vaccination and eligible population (e.g. it is highly unlikely that any country or county has vaccinated 90% or more of its population unless it vaccinates all age groups including under 12s). But it would make interesting reading if more thorough research was done.

  48. Jimothy says:

    It is hard for people to understand the interconnections between everything, and how everything tends to go wrong at once.

    For example, fires and drought have destroyed a tremendous amount of orchard production in the American West, and hurricanes and orange greening have done the same in the Southeast. Optimists tell me that people locally will pick up the production slack (never mind that it takes years to establish these plants).

    But, as of yesterday, my region’s main supplier of fencing announced that it is no longer carrying deer fencing (the cost went stratospheric apparently). Without deer fencing, you (generally) can’t establish an orchard in the rural Northwest or Northeast.

    Discarded tree fruit is also used as animal feed in a big way, especially as grains become more expensive and unobtainable from the Midwest and California. No livestock equals no manure, during a time when granular fertilizer is under threat and manure is needed as a substitute. No manure or fertilizer and…well, you get the picture. This isn’t hypothetical, it’s going on right now.

    • Thanks for your insights. I can understand that deer fencing would be important. Even here in suburban Atlanta, people have trouble with deer eating their plants. We see deer from time to time in our yard.

      I haven’t had the need to look recently, but at one point in 2020, Home Depot seemed to be all out of bird netting. That is another thing that is helpful to have to keep hungry creatures away from a person’s crops.

    • Xabier says:

      Great points, an excellent lesson in fundamental inter-connectedness. Interesting that a whole essential product line can vanish so suddenly – and a warning.

      Maybe people can just vote for food, or it can be digitised…….

    • Alex says:

      Give it some time, the system will self-organize. Hungry preppers will eventually come out of the woodwork and fulfill their fantasies about hunting and gathering. Problem solved, no deer fencing needed.

    • Jimothy says:

      Thank you/you’re welcome! It is very interesting, and concerning, how everything is interconnected–and how, after an invisible point, certain supplies are just no longer available. A well driller told me that non electric pumps (hand pumps) are three months out. I wonder if, in actuality, they’ll ever be in stock ever again, at all.

  49. hillcountry says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl4Uv9_7KJE

    There are a number of good videos on Climate Refugees, but I think this one by DW in 2019 is riveting. They cover a lot of ground in 45 minutes. Note there is mention of one billion Climate Refugees anticipated over time.

    • Rodster says:

      Climate refugees will have to wait. The world has more pressing problems at the moment. Lets see how many governments are still functioning when this whole thing goes belly up.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Boring. They’ll all be dead soon… CEP

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