No one will win in the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Most people have a preconceived notion that there will be a clear winner and loser from any war. In their view, the world economy will go on, much as before, after the war is “won” by one side or the other. In my view, we are basically dealing with a no-win situation. No matter what the outcome, the world economy will be worse off after the fighting stops.

The problem the world economy is up against is the depletion of many kinds of resources simultaneously. This depletion is made worse by rising population, meaning that the resources available need to provide an adequate living for an increasing number of world inhabitants. Because of depletion, the world economy is reaching a point where it can no longer grow in the way it has in the past. Inflation, food shortages and rolling blackouts are likely to become increasing problems in many parts of the world. Eventually, the population is likely to fall.

We are living in a world that is beginning to behave like the players scrambling for seats in a game of musical chairs. In each round of a musical chairs game, one chair is removed from the circle. The players in the game must walk around the outside of the circle. When the music stops, all the players scramble for the remaining chairs. Someone gets left out.

Figure 1. Circle of chairs arranged for a game of musical chairs. Source

In this post, I will try to explain some of the issues.

[1] In a world with inadequate resources relative to population, conflicts are likely to become increasingly common.

The Russia-Ukraine conflict is one example of a resource-associated conflict. The allies underlying the NATO organization have chosen to escalate the Russia-Ukraine conflict, in part, because the existence of the conflict helps to hide resource shortages and accompanying high prices that are already taking place. No matter how the war is stopped, the underlying resource shortage issue will continue to exist. Therefore, the conflict cannot end well.

If sanctions lead to less trade with Russia (or even worse, less trade with Russia and China), the world economy will have an even greater problem with inadequate resources after the war is over. In fact, many parts of the current economic system are in danger of failing, primarily because depletion is leading to too little energy and other resources per capita. For example, the US dollar may lose its reserve currency status, the world debt bubble may pop, and globalization may take a major step backward.

[2] There is a huge resource depletion issue that authorities in many countries have known about for a very long time. The issue is so frightening that authorities have chosen not to explain it to the general population.

Mainstream media (MSM) practically never mentions that there is a major issue with resource depletion. Instead, MSM tells a narrative about “transitioning to a lower carbon economy,” without mentioning that this transition is out of necessity: The world is up against extraction limits for many kinds of resources. Besides oil, coal and natural gas, resources with limits include many other minerals, such as copper, lithium, and nickel. Other resources, including fresh water and minerals used for fertilizer are also only available in limited supply. MSM fails to tell us that there is no evidence that a transition to a low carbon economy can actually be made.

[3] The big depletion issue is affordability of end products made with high priced resources. The cost of extraction rises, but the ability of the world’s citizens to pay for end products made using these high-cost resources doesn’t rise. Commodity prices do not rise enough to cover the rising cost of extraction. When this affordability limit is hit, it is the resource extracting countries, such as Russia, that find themselves in a terrible situation with respect to the financial well-being of their populations.

The big issue that hits because of depletion is a price conflict. Businesses extracting resources need high prices so that they can reinvest in new mines, in ever more costly locations, but consumers cannot afford these high prices.

In a sense, the higher cost is because of “inefficiency.” As a result of depletion, it takes more hours of labor, more machine time, and a greater use of energy products to extract the same quantity of a given resource that was previously extracted elsewhere. Growing efficiency tends to help wages, but growing inefficiency tends to work the opposite way: Wages don’t rise, certainly not as rapidly as prices of end products.

As a result, commodity exporters, such as Russia, are caught in a bind: They cannot raise prices enough to make new investments profitable. The problem is that the world’s consumers cannot afford the resulting high prices of essentials such as food, electricity and transportation. Russia reports very high reserve amounts, especially for natural gas and coal. It is doubtful, however, that these reserves can actually be extracted. Over the long term, selling prices cannot be maintained at a sufficiently high level to cover the huge cost of extracting, transporting and refining these resources.

The success of a country’s economy can, in some sense, be measured by the country’s per capita GDP. Russia’s GDP per capita has tended to lag far behind that of the US (Figure 2).

Figure 2. Inflation-adjusted per capita GDP of the United States, Russia and Ukraine. Amounts are as provided by the World Bank, using Purchasing Power Parity GDP in 2017 International Dollars.

Russia’s inflation-adjusted GDP per capita fell after the collapse of the central government of the Soviet Union in 1991. It was able to grow again, once oil prices began to rise in the early 2000s. Since 2013, Russia’s GDP per capita growth has again fallen behind that of the US, as increases in oil and other commodity prices again lagged the rising cost of production. Given these difficulties with depletion, Russia is becoming increasingly unwilling to ignore poor treatment it receives from Ukraine.

There may be another factor, as well, leading especially to the escalation of the conflict. The US seems to covet Russia’s resources. Some powers behind the throne seem to believe that Western forces supporting Ukraine can quickly win in this conflict. If such an early win occurs, the aim is for Western forces to step in and inexpensively ramp up Russian resource extraction, allowing the world a new source of cheap-to-produce fossil fuels and other minerals.

In this context, Russia launched an attack on Ukraine on February 24, 2022. Ukraine has presented Russia with problems for many years. One issue has been transit fees for natural gas passing through the country; is Ukraine taking too much gas out? Another problem area has been the rise of the far-right Azov regiment. Russia has also expressed concern that NATO has been training soldiers within Ukraine, even though Ukraine is not a member of NATO. Russia doesn’t want military, trained by NATO, at its doorstep.

[4] World economic growth very much depends on growing energy consumption.

There are two ways of measuring world GDP. The standard one is with the production of each country measured in inflation-adjusted US$, with the changing relative value to the US$ considered. The other approach uses “Purchasing Power Parity” GDP. The latter is supposedly not affected by the changing level of the dollar, relative to other currencies. Inflation-Adjusted Purchasing Power Parity GDP is only available for 1990 and subsequent years. Figure 3 shows the high correlation between energy consumption and PPP GDP during the period from 1990 through 2020.

Figure 3. X,Y graph of world energy consumption for the period 1990 to 2020, based on energy data from BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy and world Purchasing Power Parity GDP in 2017 International Dollars, as published by the World Bank.

The reason for a strong association between GDP growth with energy consumption growth is a physics-based reason. Producing goods and providing services requires the “dissipation” of energy products because the laws of physics tell us that energy is required to move any object from one place to another, or to heat any object. In the latter case, it is the individual molecules within a substance that move faster and faster as they get hotter. The economy is a “dissipative structure” in physics terms because of the need for energy dissipation to provide the work needed to make the system operate.

Human beings are also dissipative structures. The energy that humans get comes from the dissipation of the energy found in foods of every kind. Food energy is commonly measured in Calories (technically, kilocalories).

[5] World economic growth also seems to depend on factors besides energy consumption.

The fitted equation on Figure 3 (the equation beginning with “y”) implies that GDP is rising much more rapidly than energy consumption, almost twice as rapidly. Over the entire 30-year period, the actual growth rate in energy consumption averages about 1.8% a year. If energy consumption growth had really been 1.8% per year, the fitted equation implies that growth in GDP would have greatly sped up over the period. (In fact, the growth rate in energy consumption was falling over the 30-year period, but GDP grew at closer to a constant rate. In terms of the fitted equation, these two conditions are equivalent.)

Figure 4. Calculated expected GDP growth rate if energy consumption grows at a constant 1.8% per year, based on the fitted equation shown in Figure 3.

How can GDP rise so much more rapidly than energy dissipation? There seem to be several ways such a higher rate of increase can occur, on a temporary basis:

[a] A worldwide trend toward an economy using more services. The production of services tends to require less energy consumption than the production of essential goods, such as food, water, housing and local transportation. As the world economy gets wealthier, it can afford to add more services, such as education, healthcare, and childcare.

[b] A worldwide trend toward more wage and wealth disparity. Such a trend tends to happen with more specialization and more globalization. Strangely enough, a trend to more wage disparity allows the world economy to continue to grow without adding a proportionately greater amount of energy consumption use because of the different spending patterns between low-paid workers and high-paid workers.

Analyzing the situation, the world is filled mostly with low-paid workers. To the extent that the pay of these low-paid workers can be squeezed down, it can prevent these workers from buying goods that tend to use relatively high amounts of energy products, such as automobiles, motorcycles and modern homes. At the same time, growing wage disparity allows the higher-paid workers to be paid more. These higher-paid workers tend to spend a disproportionate share of their income on services, such as education and healthcare, which tend to consume less energy.

Thus, greater wage disparity tends to shift spending away from goods and toward services. The main beneficiaries are the top 1% of workers (who buy mostly services, requiring little energy consumption), rather than the remaining 99% (who would really like goods such as a car and their own home, which require much more energy consumption).

[c] Improvements in technology. Improvements in technology are helpful in raising GDP because technological improvements tend to make finished goods and services more affordable. With greater affordability, more people can afford goods and services. This effect is favorable for allowing the economy, as measured by GDP, to grow more quickly than energy consumption.

There is a catch associated with using improved technology to make goods and services more affordable. Improved technology tends to increase wage disparity because it nearly always leads to owners and a few highly educated workers being paid more, while workers doing the more routine parts of processes are paid less. Thus, it tends to lead to the problem discussed above: [b] A trend toward wage and wealth disparity.

Also, with improved technology, available resources tend to be depleted more quickly than without improved technology. This happens because finished goods are less expensive, so more people can afford them. Once resources start getting exhausted, improved technology can’t fix the situation because resource extraction costs are likely to rise more rapidly than can be offset with the impact of new technology.

[d] A worldwide trend toward more debt at ever-lower interest rates.

We all know that the monthly payment required to purchase a car or home is lower if the interest rate on the debt used to finance the purchase is lower. Thus, falling interest rates can make paychecks go further. Both businesses and citizens can afford to purchase more goods and services using credit, so the overall level of debt tends to rise with falling interest rates.

If we are only considering the period from 1990 to the present, the trend is clearly toward lower interest rates. These lower interest rates are part of what is making the GDP growth higher than what would be expected if interest rates and debt levels remained constant.

Figure 5. 3-month and 10-year US Treasury interest rates through February 28, 2022. Chart by FRED of the St. Louis Federal Reserve.

[6] The world economy now seems to be reaching limits with respect to many of the variables allowing world economic growth to continue as it has in the past, as discussed in Sections [4] and [5], above.

Figure 6. World per capita GDP based on Purchasing Power Parity GDP in 2017 International Dollars calculated using World Bank data.

Figure 6 shows that there have been two major step-downs in world inflation-adjusted per capita PPP GDP. The first one occurred in the 2008-2009 period; the second one occurred in 2020. Figure 7 shows the sharp dips in energy consumption occurring in the same time periods.

Figure 7. World per capita energy based on data of BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy.

In 2021, energy prices started to rise rapidly when the world economy tried to reopen. This rapid rise in prices strongly suggests that energy extraction limits are being reached.

Another clue that energy production limits are being reached comes from the fact that the group of oil exporters, OPEC+, found that they couldn’t actually ramp up their oil production as quickly as they promised. Once oil production is cut back because of inadequate prices, it is hard to get production to rise again, even if prices temporarily rise because the many pieces of the chain supporting this extraction are broken. For example, trained workers leave and find jobs elsewhere, and contractors go out of business because of inadequate profits.

If we think about it, Items [5a], [5b], [5c] and [5d] are all reaching limits as well. Item [5d] is probably clearest: Interest rates can no longer be lowered. In fact, nearly everyone says that interest rates should now be raised because of the high inflation rates. If interest rates are raised, commodity prices, including prices for fossil fuels, will fall.

With lower fossil fuel prices, there will be pressure for oil, gas and coal producers to reduce their production, even from today’s lower levels. Because of the tight connection between energy and GDP, lower energy production will tend to push economies further toward contraction. Of course, this will make resource exporters, such as Russia, worse off.

As the world economy enters recession, we can expect that Item [5a], the shift from goods toward services, to turn around. People with barely enough money for necessities will reduce their use of services such as haircuts and music lessons. Item [5b], globalization and related wage disparity, is already under pressure. Countries are finding that with broken supply chains, more local production is needed. In the US, recent wage gains have tended to go to the lowest-paid workers. Item [5c], technology growth, cannot ramp up as resources needed from around the world are increasingly unavailable, due to broken supply chains and depletion.

[7] We are likely facing a collapsing world economy because of the limits being reached. Adding sanctions against Russia will further push the world economy in the direction of collapse.

Many sources report that Russian exports of wheat, aluminum, nickel, and fertilizers will be “temporarily” disrupted. A few sources note that Russia plays an important role in the processing of uranium fuel used in nuclear power plants. According to the Conversation:

Most of the 32 countries that use nuclear power rely on Russia for some part of their nuclear fuel supply chain.

We have become used to efficient air travel, but sanctions against Russia make this less possible, especially for flights to Southeast Asia. A Bloomberg article called Siberian Detour Requires Airlines to Retrace Cold War Era Routes gives the example of direct flights from Finland to Southeast Asia being canceled because they have become too expensive and are too time-consuming with the required detours. It becomes necessary to fly indirect connecting routes if a person wants to travel. Many other routes have similar problems.

Figure 8. Source: Bloomberg, “Siberian detour requires airlines to retrace cold war era routes.”

US President Joseph Biden is warning that food shortages are likely in many parts of the world as a result of the sanctions placed against Russia.

According to a video shown on Zerohedge,

“It’s going to be real. The price of the sanctions is not just imposed upon Russia. It’s imposed upon an awful lot of countries as well, including European countries and our country as well.”

If the world economy were doing well, and if Russia were a tiny part of the world economy, perhaps the sanctions could be tolerated by the world economy. As it is, the Russia-Ukraine conflict acts to hide the underlying resource shortage problem. This is possible because, with the conflict, the resource shortages can be described as “temporary” and “necessary” in the context of the terrible things the Russians are doing. The way the West frames the problem provides a scapegoat to deflect anger toward, but it doesn’t fix the problem.

Russia started out being very disadvantaged because commodity prices, in recent years, have not been rising high enough to ensure an adequate living for Russian citizens and high enough tax revenue for the Russian government. Adding sanctions against Russia will simply make Russia’s problems worse.

[8] There is little reason to believe that Russia will “give up” in response to sanctions imposed by the United States and other countries.

The attacks by Russia of Ukrainian sites seems to be occurring for many related reasons. Russia can no longer tolerate being inadequately compensated for the resources it is extracting and selling to Ukraine and the rest of the world. It is tired of being “pushed around” by the rich economies, especially the United States, as NATO adds more countries. It is also tired of NATO training Ukrainian soldiers. Russia seems to have no plan to gain the entire territory of Ukraine; it is more of a temporary police action.

Russia’s underlying problem is that it can no longer produce commodities that the world wants as inexpensively as the world demands. Building all the infrastructure needed to extract and ship more fossil fuel resources would take more capital spending than Russia can afford. The selling price will never rise high enough to justify these investments, including the cost of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. Russia has nothing to lose at this point. The current situation is not working; going back to it is no incentive for stopping the current conflict.

Russia is in some ways like a heavily armed, suicidal old man, who can no longer earn an adequate living. The economic system of Russia is no longer working as it should. Russia is incredibly well-armed. The situation reminds a person of the story of Samson, in his old age, taking down the temple of the Philistines and losing his own life at the same time. Russia has no reason to back down in response to sanctions.

Figure 9. Figure showing that Russia has a higher inventory nuclear warheads than the US. Figure by the Federation of American Scientists. Source

[9] Leaders of the world, including Joe Biden, appear to be oblivious to the situation we are facing.

Leaders of the world have created ridiculous narratives that overlook the critical role commodities play. They seem to believe that it is possible to cut off purchases from Russia with, at most, temporary harm to the rest of the world economy.

The history of the world shows that the populations of many civilizations have outgrown their resource bases and have collapsed. Physics points out that this outcome is almost inevitable because of the way the Universe is constructed. Everything is constantly evolving, even economies. The climate is constantly evolving, as are the species inhabiting the Earth.

Elected leaders need a story of everlasting growth that they can tell their citizens. They cannot even consider the physics-based way the world economy operates, and the resulting expected pattern of overshoot and collapse. Modelers of what are intended to be long-lasting structures cannot accept this outcome either.

Limits which are defined based on affordability of end products are incredibly difficult to model, so creative narratives have been developed suggesting that humans can move away from fossil fuels if they so desire. No one stops to think that economies cannot continue to exist using a much lower quantity of energy, any more than an adult human can get along on 500 calories a day. Both are dissipative structures; the ongoing energy requirement is built in. Factories close when electricity, diesel and other energy products are cut off.

[10] The sanctions and the Russia-Ukraine conflict cannot end well.

The world economy is already on the edge of collapse because of the resource limits it is hitting. Intentionally stopping Russia’s output of resources like fertilizer and processed uranium is certain to make the situation worse, not better. Once Russia’s output is stopped, it is likely to be impossible to restart Russia’s production at the same level. Trained workers who lose their jobs will likely find jobs elsewhere, for one thing. The shortfall in output will affect countries around the world.

The United States dollar is now the world’s reserve currency. The sanctions being applied indirectly encourage countries to use other currencies to work around the sanctions. There seems to be a substantial chance that the US economy will lose its role as the center of international trade. If such a change takes place, the US will no longer be able to import far more than it exports, year after year.

A major issue is the huge amount of debt most countries of the world have. With a rapidly slowing world economy, repaying debt with interest will become impossible. Debt defaults will further wreak havoc with the world economic system.

We don’t know the exact timing of how this will play out, but the situation does not look good.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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4,785 Responses to No one will win in the Russia-Ukraine conflict

  1. Mirror on the wall says:

    Interesting, sheep are not adverse to gnoshing baby birds to boost their diet. They have not evolved as efficient predators, so they are opportunist, and they prey on the weakest and most vulnerable, particular baby birds. There are actually loads of supposed ‘herbivore’ animals that feast on meat when the opportunity presents itself. Sheep eat the most lovely flowers too, they really do not give one!

    > Sheep and deer eat meat in wild to boost diet

    Zoologists have shattered the belief that sheep and deer are exclusively vegetarian.

    Grass may satisfy them most of the time but in places where their normal diet is low in essential minerals they have been seen eating grouse and seabird chicks. Dr Niall Burton recorded the carnivorous activity on Muggleswick Common in Co Durham and included it in a report by the British Trust for Ornithology in the journal British Birds.

    He explained that the moor, north of Stanhope in Weardale, was grazed by sheep and managed for grouse. He saw a brood of eight chicks, less than a week old, foraging in the patchwork of heather and close-cropped turf. The grouse moved on to the short turf, becoming highly visible, when one of three nearby sheep, “ran forward, picked up a chick and ate it whole”.

    He said: “The alarmed female grouse quickly removed her remaining chicks into the heather, but the sheep was prevented from taking a second only by my intervention.”

    He also referred to instances, reported by Dr Bob Furness from Glasgow University, of sheep eating live Arctic tern and Arctic skua chicks on Foula, Shetland, and red deer eating live Manx shearwater chicks on Rum in the Inner Hebrides.

    However, unlike his observation in Co Durham, only heads, legs or wings of the chicks were eaten in those cases. His theory was that the meat-eating was “probably a means of alleviating a mineral deficiency, perhaps of calcium, in the mammals’ diet”.

    Calcium levels in the vegetation were low on both islands and on the moors.

    • drb says:

      yes, indeed. Pigs are the worst and need to be kept separated from all smaller domestic animals. In the Pacific West, deer will feast on dead salmon during the salmon run. Everyone loves meat.

      • Xabier says:

        A neighbour was plagued by fainting during pregnancy, and one day it happened in the pig paddock, domain of a huge boar. ‘Oh no, Rambo will eat me! ‘ was her thought as she blacked out.

        • Neil says:

          And?? Don’t leave us hanging!

          • Xabier says:

            She survived without a bite. But being a pig farmer’s daughter she knew not to trust her prize boar.

            • nikoB says:

              I have a three legged pig that I trust with my life. In fact it has saved my life a couple of times on the farm. It even alerted my wife when I had been knocked unconscious working on some farm machinery. So why does it only have three legs you ask? well a pig that useful, you can’t eat all at once.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Nikko, you monsterrrr!!!!

      • Herbie Ficklestein says:

        John Vivian wrote a classic book on Homesteading way back and a valuable read even today. He had a segment on raising a hog …which could provide a family of meat for the winter season. Remember his warning on how dangerous animals they could be and since he had small children at that time named it Horrible Hog and took extra precautions so no one could accidentally encounter the massive beast.
        Once I saw one on display at a farm in Ipswich Massachusetts that was a large as a small car. The Hog was asleep and tossed an apple by it’s snoot, which twitched and gradually awakened after a never ending pee.
        All the other creatures rushed excitedly away as Hog got up …

        South Hadley, MA — John Morrison Vivian, 86, passed away on Thursday, March 17, 2022, in South Hadley, MA. He was born March 27, 1935, to Arthur Morrison and Katherine Marie (Goodwin) Vivian. John was a United States Marine Corps veteran and earned his MBA from Harvard University. He worked for Towers, Perrin, Forster & Crosby (now Willis Towers Watson) and briefly lived in Belgium as a consultant. Realizing that the corporate life was not his chosen path, John followed his ambition to become an author. As a proponent of self-sufficiency, he naturally gravitated to the back-to-the-land movement of the 1970s, resulting in some of his most popular publications: The Manual of Practical Homesteading, Wood Heat, and Building Stone Walls. A talented wordsmith, John had most recently been a long-time contributing author and editor for Mother Earth News magazine when he retired in 2001. He was intelligent, charismatic, and rebellious, with a constant glint in his eye and a colorful tale ready to be told. John had a passion for many things in life, including conserving the natural world, rural living, and anything involving boats and the ocean.

  2. hillcountry says:

    A ‘mine-canary’ told me: 40 MONTH LEAD TIMES are being quoted for Utility Power Transformers

    Let’s see; you need the power to supply the factory that builds the batteries that store the power that supplies the cars that are … what, 40-plus months out now?

    Interesting in that perhaps or at least it gives an excuse for delaying substantial roll-out of electric vehicles for whatever reasons might be pertinent to changed circumstances relative to original flowcharts. This news is per one automaker’s battery-production efforts. I’m assuming lead times are somewhat universal. I don’t know if this has hit the press yet.

    • This is a big deal, because utilities have not be replacing aging power transformers. I tried to find a link to support the 40-month lead times. I found this Reuters article, relating to a CERA week talk:

      It says,

      The shift to renewables is also occurring at a time when utilities need to harden their grids against worsening climate events. Supply-chain problems are rearing there as well, AEP’s Akins said, as they try to stockpile material for the coming Atlantic hurricane season that runs from June through November.

      “We’re not able to get the inventory we usually have in place because the lead times for equipment has been increased by a factor of 10 – if it took four months, it takes 40 for transformers,” said Akins.

      It would be useful to find a more direct quote.

      I know that since 1981 and the days of Reagan, there has been a push toward doing as little as possible to maintain and gradually replace transmission networks. This was done, with the idea that competition would be helpful in keeping electricity costs down. Competition also kept maintenance costs down, leading to the mess were are in now.

  3. Fast Eddy says:

    U.S. Mortgage Rates Hit 5% for the 1st Time in a Decade, No Sign of Stopping


    There has been a shift of excess mortality from the elderly to the young.

    What happened in 2021?

    Covid vaccination arrived


    The FDA knew this.

    The FDA kept it quiet and it would never have come out had it not been for the ruling of the USA judge who mandated the release of almost 400,000 pages of data and correspondence between the FDA and Pfizer.




    • The article says,

      Sources said Russia’s average oil output fell to 10.32 million bpd on April 1-11 from 11.01 million on average in March, a decline of more than 6%.

      OPEC told the European Union on Monday that current and future sanctions on Russia could create one of the worst ever oil supply shocks and it would be impossible to replace those volumes, and signalled it would not pump more.


  4. Fast Eddy says:

    MIT’s Dean of Science responds to me: She’s NOT interested in looking at the vax safety data!
    She has intellectual curiosity in all areas of science… except the vaccines. She believes they are safe and effective and she’s NOT interested in looking at ANY data challenging her beliefs.

    • Rodster says:

      Yesterday during the NBA playoff game, they had a vaccine commercial with supposed doctors and nurses encouraging everyone to get “vaccinated and boosted because they are totally safe and effective”.

      If these vaccines are so effective, then what’s the need for multiple jabs and now Tony Fauci is bringing up the idea of possible monthly jabs along with the probability they are going to catch Covid again?

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Mysterious liver illness seen in kids in U.S., Europe

      Health officials in several countries are investigating mysterious cases of severe liver disease in children, and they think it may be related to a kind of virus usually associated with colds.

      The U.K. has been investigating at least 74 cases in which children came down with hepatitis, or liver inflammation, the World Health Organization said Friday. Three similar cases in Spain and a few in Ireland are being investigated, the WHO said.

      Meanwhile, U.S. health officials say they are looking into nine similar cases. All were in Alabama, but officials say they are looking to see if there are more elsewhere.

      The U.S. children ranged in age from 1 to 6 years old, and two required liver transplants. The European cases are in a similar age range, though some have been older, WHO officials said.

      The WHO first became aware of the unusual illnesses early this month, when they learned of 10 children in Scotland with liver problems. One got sick in January and the nine others in March. All became severely ill and were diagnosed with hepatitis after being taken to the hospital.

      Did I not read the the spike protein from the covid kill shot is highest in the liver???

      hahahahaha… suffer MOREONS.. hope they all turn yellow

    • Fast Eddy says:

      hahahahaha… burn!!! allah is akbar… allah allah …

    • Publishing something related to this issue will not advance the interests of MIT.

    • Rodster says:

      “540 Athletes Die After Receiving COVID Injections, Hundreds More Develop Serious Health Conditions”

      The Daily Mail reported on January 28 that Sunderland FC manager Lee Johnson implied the COVID injection could be behind his goalkeeper Lee Burge being ruled out of playing with an “inflamed heart” and said “it happens a lot after these injections.” Two days later the club confirmed that Johnson had been sacked.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Wow- that sends a powerful message…

        I am still wondering how they stop damaged high profile athletes quiet — are they hyper covidiots and don’t want to discourage injections by announcing their vax injuries? Are they threatened – if they say anything they lose outstanding salaries?

        #1 female tennis player retires at 25… not a peep out of her… top footballers – not a peep.

  5. Sam says:

    Don’t worry about tomorrow?! I think I like that meme. Think about how Much time and energy are spent on that. If we don’t have to worry about tomorrow we can focus on today. I know I have been spending most of my life preparing for retirement but with that being 17 years out maybe I am wasting my time.

    • Yorchichan says:

      Let’s live for today. Something Gail has often talked about before and better advice now than it has ever been.

    • Dennis L. says:


      Could it be there is a difference between obsession and planning? Perhaps only a fractional part of the day. Living totally for tomorrow is as out of balance as living only for today, unless.

      E.g. a surgeon – there is nothing else other than learning today for use tomorrow. Do you want the one who only learned enough to get by, say cataract surgery?

      Dennis L.

    • ssincoski says:

      17 years away seems impossible. I did not even think we would make it to the point that I could start collecting Social Security at 62. But I did. And I’m glad I did despite all the ‘normal’ advice to wait for Full Retirement Age. So far it has worked out well.

      Of course I live in a place where if your only costs are utilities and food, reduced US Social Security benefits are more than enough. I did start early (2004) in my preps. I have more money in the bank than I have ever had previously. Trying to spend it as fast as possible for what might be essentials in the next year.

  6. davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

    I know someone triple jabbed who just spent two days bedridden with “a cold”.

    another family, the husband got a “super cold” and then the wife.

    They tested negative for covid.

    I thought there was probably nothing to gain by telling them that it is the same olde “common cold” but they severely damaged their immune systems by getting all those toxic jabs.

    anyone else hearing people talking about “super colds”?

    • Fast Eddy says:

      It will be very satisfying as they get an endless series of super colds… just to watch the dummmb beasts stagger about asking why is this happening… hahahahahahaha… cuz VAIDS that’s why hahahahahaha

      Pure Bloods will be the new pro athletes in this brave new world… cuz everyone else will be sick/dead


    • Fast Eddy says:

      Oh and I forgot to mention a triple vaxxed moreon told me earlier she had a horrible session of covid… incredibly sore throat and aching body….

      I recounted by covid story — felt a bit under the weather -popped Hydroxy… was better within 48 hrs… hahahahahaha

      Not sure what they make of that .. there were a few people in on the discussion and nobody asked how do I get some..

      Cuz. They are f789ing MOREONS>.. they could be dying from covid/VAIDS and still not reach out…

      Hahahahahahaha.. I Love This Game!

  7. Hubbs says:

    An interesting comment from Brandon Smith…

    “There are a lot of reasons why manufacturing has left the US, from greedy and corrupt labor unions driving up wages to higher taxes and land costs to extremely cheap shipping from overseas exporters. There is also the theory that US factories were outsourced to places like China in order to deliberately force the public into a global interdependency scheme. In other words were are stuck with the supply chain we have, not because it’s the best system, but because the globalists want it that way.”

    A more vulnerable and complex supply chain means it is easier to control than a self sufficient, localized integrated economy where materials, energy, labor, and distribution are locally sourced.

    I hadn’t thought of it in this way. I had just figured that manufacturing was outsourced for low cost labor arbitrage or tax evasion.

    • One of the big issues is that it is possible to make a whole lot more things with an international global supply chain. For example, high tech goods need minerals from around the world. If only local materials are permitted, the only inputs may be wood, stone, and hair from sheep (or whatever else is locally available). This severely limits finished products available.

      Also, costs are lower if wages are lower and transport costs are not very high. Furthermore, the new workers in this system are potential buyers of the finished products of this system. This provides the possibility of larger markets and higher profits.

      • Dennis L. says:

        I recall your mentioning cheap, Chinese coal. They were willing to accept terrible pollution from rapid industrialization, they spent their cheap coal for paper securities, spent their clean air and land for the same. The world got cheap stuff until it ran out of cheap nnr to make stuff.

        Put this together from your ideas.

        Dennis L.

        • Exactly!

          The Chinese also adopted one child families as a way to increase their workforce. With fewer children, mothers could join the workforce. Grandmothers could take care of the child (or children).

          But one child families, put together with promises for retirement benefits after a certain age, leads to a big problem. I found this about retirement ages in 2022 in China,

          “China currently requires most men to retire at 60, white-collar women at 55 and blue-collar women at 50.”

          Clearly, with this arrangement, the workforce quickly drops very low, especially if young people spend more and more years in school.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      I suspect it’s because without cheap labour we’d be paying 20 bucks for a toothbrush and that would wreck the economy

  8. banned says:

    McCain, Grahm, and Klobuchar visit with the Ukrainian military in 2017. They look nervous… I wonder why Obama never visited with them?

  9. banned says:

    The missle cruiser Moskva sunk with a pair of harpoon missles. This reflects the growing constraint western provided munitions are creating for Russian operations. Flagship. 16 kalibr cruise missles. Grade A ordnance the exact kind Russia does not want to waste right now. Were some or all of them nuclear armed and are those missiles in the bottom of the black sea now? Perhaps the missiles were offloaded while the Moskva was still afloat. Does the Russian navy stay 65 miles off the coast of Ukraine now? Not much compared to the Kalibrs range.

    However you look at it this was a significant loss not just in terms of regional firepower but also strategic nuclear capability. Moskow is having to realize that this is not a kinder gentler Allepo. They are giving up not gaining even if its just a little. The fact of the matter is Moskva loss hurts. The Russians dont want to be expending their grade A ordnance on Ukraine just now. But they cant afford to lose Grade A aircraft to MANPADS and have their strategic nuclear capability degraded. Its lose lose. Stand off dont risk aircraft and launch cruise missles. Use guided gravity ordnance and risk aircraft. Not that they are crippled but its not Allepo where they could use gravity ordnance that they got lots of.

    The zerohedge article on the difficulties of oil transit out of the Black sea to Asia was good. Smaller tankers have to bring the oil out and transfer to super tankers. Transit time is two months whereas it was two weeks to Europe and no ship to ship transfer required. More important is insurance cost for ships. With missles flying it will be large if avail;able at all. Zerohedge cited 10 percent of ship and cargo worth per trip.

    This means Russia Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan just had a minimum of 10 percent added to the cost of their oil. The fact is Europe as a consumer and Russia as a provider was a match made in heaven for both parties. its not that easy to transfer oil twice and transport it halfway around the world. I question the efficiency of proposed gas pipelines to China too. Static resistance adds up mile after mile. Thats not counting the energy cost of the pipe. And that gets it where? To western China not the manufacturing sectors. It doesnt fly to the consumer by magic. Regardless this pipeline is not reality NOW.

    Once again. Russia is in a dilemma. Ukraine placed the team with those Harpoons quite quickly. More important when does the black sea get “safe” with this type of ordnance being widely distributed from a underwriters point of view. These are not large weapons controlled by a military. Both Russia and Ukraine need the black sea to function for them to function. They are heading toward a ” no sail zone” a real one where no one sails because no ship or insurance company will risk it. Very bad for both Russia and Ukraine.

    What conditions would negate risk from anti ship missiles in the black sea? Are these missiles being inventoried so they can be returned to safe storage in a manner that would guarantee they are not going to be used? Hardly likely. And the ones Russia intercepts and destroys? How do you inventory those.

    A peace treaty would help. That seems entirly unlikly. Zelansky wont discuss Crimea let alone the Donbass. A mass surrender by the Ukrainian military in the east would help. Hasnt happened.

    While anti ship missiles are hardly going to be as prolific as other small arms their introduction to the area means safe naval transit is uncertain for a unknown period of time. Whether the black sea traffic slows or stops is unknown. If a tanker gets harpooned stops is quite likely.

    Where does this put Russia? That Russian media reported that Moskva sank from a ordnance explosion not harpoon missiles is quite telling. My guess is on “victory day” in Russia there will be no victory to report. Russia doesnt want to kill 10,000 Ukrainian troops let alone 50,000. There not going to get a surrender from the military without getting some troops dead. And they cant dominate without gravity ordnance. Stalemate. But in the meantime Russia is cut off from the black sea the very lifeline that it has communicated it must not lose.

    The new non dollar economic proposals are theoretical. The world is watching to see who blows up who first. Russia can not support the war expenditures at the same time as trade goes to half or even less. Washington has given 3 billion $ in military tech. Germany a billion E. This translates into losses if Russia chooses to engage. And every loss they take or technology they reveal hurts their capabilities if and when they fight NATO. And Finland and Sweden in NATO soon? Russias situation is not good. They can not function without the black sea.

    This was supposed to be a quick police action, a affirmation of geopolitical will not a economic nightmare and a military quagmire. We will see. Perhaps Russia gets this mopped up over the summer. To what end? Black sea closed for business? That is game over. If its game over will it be nuclear war or will Russia accept its new role as the bad euro guys who are only allowed to stare at the ground? No identification as a race, culture or society allowed. Germany is real eager to relinquish that status to the Slavs. Tag your it old world order. Which is worse that or nuclear war? Not a easy decision.

    • JesseJames says:

      The Moskva May have been sunk by an undetected floating mine.
      Irregardless, the escalation, to eventually target some NATO assets will eventually happen. We are creeping toward …well, you can imagine where this might go.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Can Putin turn the tap down 10%? That should send prices of gas through the roof…. not only would NATO back down — he could also send macron a pig make him do a Black Mirror …

        Seriously – what choice would Marcon have?

        His granny/wife is a twisted freak — she’d Enjoy Watching

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Sun Tzu ‘don’t fight a war if you control the energy supply of the enemy. Instead starve the enemy of energy’

    • You make quite a few excellent points:

      “this [loss of missle cruiser Moskva} was a significant loss not just in terms of regional firepower but also strategic nuclear capability”

      “The zerohedge article on the difficulties of oil transit out of the Black sea to Asia was good. Smaller tankers have to bring the oil out and transfer to super tankers. Transit time is two months whereas it was two weeks to Europe and no ship to ship transfer required. More important is insurance cost for ships. With missles flying it will be large if available at all. Zerohedge cited 10 percent of ship and cargo worth per trip.”

      “I question the efficiency of proposed gas pipelines to China too. . .this pipeline is not reality NOW.”

      ” when does the black sea get “safe” with this type of ordnance being widely distributed from a underwriters point of view. These are not large weapons controlled by a military. Both Russia and Ukraine need the black sea to function for them to function.”

      “Russias situation is not good. They can not function without the black sea.”

      • it has always been Russia’s strategy to have warm water ports on three sides—Baltic, Black Sea and Pacific.

        thought of like that, Putin’s outward thrust is perfectly logical.

        Russia used to have Finland and the Baltic states, they are obviously worried about his intentions

      • Sorry but someone has their facts wrong about impact of Moskva. Need to go listen to or read Andrei Martyanov (US resident/citizen former Russian Naval Officer) and cause of sinking is unknown but strongly doubts was result of missle attack “for technical reasons.”

        he discusses here (was on ship 41 years ago summer training as new officer) “old lady now is/was obsolete” (paraphrasing)

        From his blog while ship was undertow: (No dedicated major written analysis on blog as not viewed as significant other than propoganda aspects) he did write the following:

        The ship is more than 40 years old, after all, and unlike sistership Marshal Ustinov didn’t undergo modernization…… Do not forget, this event will be amplified and multiplied by Western propaganda, but it also may open floodgates for other events, especially if it will be established that foreign powers have been involved. This event may have some propaganda value but it doesn’t change the outcome and the objectives of the SMO (Special Military Operation).

        Moskva was a >40 year old ship designed to use conventional missles for anti-ship operations (1980’s tech as aircraft carrier killer) during Soviet times. Recently used in Syria to standoff US Navy from involvement. No major role in Ukraine. It carried only conventional weapons and had no nuclear weapon capability that I have heard mentioned – certainly not in any strategic sense (Subs for that) If any missles capable of retro to nuclear they would be tactical local theater only. Significance in Black Sea as “Flag” ship was roomier for Command Staff and had most powerful radars with greatest height (thus line of sight range) of existing fleet – other smaller more modern corvettes and frigates missle carriers with latest cruise and hypersonic missle tech (sea to land and sea to sea) with more modern air defense systems and subsurface anti-frogman radar defenses are the bulk of Russia’s effective Black Sea capabilities. Ukraine Navy has been eliminated and Turkey is not allow NATO vessels into the Black Sea in conformance to treaty obligtions so seapower not a real factor except as platform for missle launches into Ukraine.

        Martynov thinks the onboard fire most “contextual” (accidental or perhaps disgruntled sailor w/ Ukrainian relatives) with less likely subsurface NATO special forces attack or NATO directed Ukrainian anti-shipping missle attack.

        As for shipping and insurance problems – guess there is a barrier to food & oil distribution but seems artificial. If it were not for sanctions and covert theats from NATO/US I would imagine that Russia could and would continue normal economic processes as much as possible and could arrange for safe passage of freighters in the Black Sea and would certainly have the capacity to self-insure of re-insure/indemnify shipments in the Black Sea under their protection. It is clear that NATO/US is not really concerned about facilitating food import/export and is sanctioning oil – in that regard doesnt seem like Russia is too concerned either – they have theirs. Sanctions have created an environment where it is all countries for themselves and exporters are making sure domestic supplies are met first – US has seeming little concern for secondary effects/blowback of sanctions including destruction of dollar as preeminent currency, so why would US be concerned about at little food not being distributed – instability and chaos what US foreign policy is all about and we need high oil prices to harvest the little bit of shale oil that is left.


          forgot blog link for those want to follow. I know Mirror has been copying some articles from the Saker (ethnic Russian, Swiss citizen, US long time resident) – This is another Russian ethnic blog from US either citizen or resident that provides good perspective on Ukraine/Russian conflict)

        • Thanks for your additional thoughts. Knowing that the ship that sank was an old ship that hadn’t been modernized adds quite a bit to the discussion.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Ahhhhh… I see…. (said the blind man)…

          This is kinda like how those tanks were just blasting away and empty already wrecked buildings… while the drone filmed … I’m thinking those buildings were scheduled for demolition so designated as sets for filming the “war”… just like that ship was headed for the scrap heap … but instead was dunked .. cuz “war”….

          And then we have all these fake dead bodies… that come back to life….

          On the other hand we know that the energy situation is critical… so what would be the point in fighting a WAR in Ukraine — what’s the point of that when BAU is dying…

          Why would anyone want to enact a Lite War… well it certainly does cover up all the supply chain deficits… spiralling energy costs… epic inflation … and it draws the MOREONS’ attention away from Covid as we march towards the next mutation ….

        • banned says:

          Well im certainly open to other information. I regard the nuclear capable kalibr with a top speed of mach 2.9 and a range of 1400 kilometers to be pretty bad ass. There might be a NATO target or two within 1400 kilometers of the black sea should Russia and NATO start shooting at each other.. Interestingly enough it appears the 16 kalibrs that Moskova was carrying were twice the number of any other black sea ship and four times most. This would seem to make Moskova a primary target for a first attack with a previously unused weapons class.

          Of course who knows. How does this journalist supposedly know how many Kalibrs where. Perhaps I am uninformed. I supposed that the maximum nuclear readiness order by putin would have lots of nuclear warheads on hypersonic missles. I am just a fat old man guessing. This Forbes article seems to indicate the Moskova as a primary missile target some months ago

          The original reports that it was a harpoon missile seem to have been replaced that it was a domestic Ukrainian missile the neptune and now we hear the lurid account of a retaliatory strike on the neptune factory outside Kiev so… Who knows. Seems to be a lot of different accounts. I will say that if the Moskova spontaneously went boom that would be quite the coincidence. Barring that I would have to say it was very successful mission for Kiev and a painful one for Moskow.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Boring …

      I am curious … Putin has threatened to unleash 500 sub based nukes if he’s pushed…

      Why wouldn’t he instead threaten to shut off the gas — if NATO did not walk completely away from Uke Land by May 1

      Obviously it would make more sense to not destroy BAU with nukes… when you have an option that would be just as effective in achieving your goal

      Who can explain why he doesn’t throttle back the gas… has it not occurred to him?


    ‘A Beautiful Mosaic Of Commodity Market Manipulation’ – Kyle Bass Questions China’s COVID Lockdown Motives


    “China is desperately in need of crude oil, LNG, food, basic materials, base metals, and more.”

    “Everything China desperately needs to acquire is trading down in price as a result of the lockdowns.”

    “Remember, rampant food price inflation was one key grievance that led to the Tiananmen Square protests/massacre as well as the Arab Spring.”

    “In the long run, I believe that it will pay in spades to be long all of the commodities. China is insidiously manipulating lower. Today’s prices have all of this factored in.”

    • Rodster says:

      Well the upside to that is if you begin to suffer from adverse reaction, it’s safe to say that stress from taking the injection wasn’t the problem because you were sedated at that time. /s

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Here in NZ the vaxxed like to play tricks on the unvaxxed… they drunk them up then when they pass out they inject two shots and a booster.

        They see it as great fun. Cuz they are MOREONS and they want company in their VAIDS state

  11. Fast Eddy says:

    Tennis World USA (

    Ugo Humbert: Doctors said my issues could have been negative vaccine reaction
    Humbert was easily getting exhausted and constantly dealing with cramps after receiving a shot in August.

    • Rodster says:

      The doctors make excuses and the player makes excuses why it might not be the vaccine. If you get run over in the middle of the street, I would say there’s a HIGH probability a vehicle did it.

      The player appears to be suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

  12. Fast Eddy says:


    Under reporting of vaccine injury through the German equivalent of Medsafe, by a factor of TEN TIMES.

    I can virtually guarantee our NZ under reporting factor is even higher

  13. Mirror on the wall says:

    Israeli soldiers invaded Al Aqsa mosque today, Friday, firing bullets, sound grenades, and tear gas at Palestinians.

  14. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Nuclear Strategy Lecture Russia-Ukraine Nuclear Simulation IV

  15. Fast Eddy says:

    Wuhan revisited — he was out shopping — collapsed dead — but he made sure to break his fall. cuz

    • Video from Wuhan in January, 2020, with current comments about how staged the falls from having COVID seem to be. People reach out with their hands to break their falls, as they faint, for example.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        That ain’t nuthing … in the Ukraine ‘war’ — dead bodies come back to life… maybe they need to put a stake in their hearts?

    • Rodster says:

      One very basic about the insurance business. You would rather sign a new policy than having to payout a policy. Now thing that doesn’t get mentioned, those athletes in the prime of their lives and fit as a fiddle. If they have to file a claim for an injury, those are large payouts and they can be HUGE. About 6 yrs ago basketball player Chris Bosh for the Miami Heat, began developing blood clots and could NO longer play. The team owed him roughly $76 million left on his contract. The Miami Heat were not on the hook for the full sum as they had insurance on the player and the insurance company paid out a large portion.

      How about those European footballers who can no longer play and instead file an insurance claim. They will rack up hundreds of millions of dollars in costs to the insurance companies.

      • The article says, “In the end, the COVID jab will go down in history as the biggest medical malfeasance ever to occur with the willing participation of both drug companies and regulatory agencies.”

        I am afraid the COVID vaccine will never be labeled this way. The drug companies and regulatory agencies who have been hiding these issues will continue to act as in the past. Most people will think our problems are coming from “not enough vaccination” and those horrible unvaccinated individuals.

        • Xabier says:

          The true history will not be written.

          The matter will be buried, just as you say Gail.

  16. Fast Eddy says:

    I have made mistakes over the last 25 years, some terrible. I once had to put an injured sheep out of its misery. I did so in the corner of a field, but still in view of the flock. After the blast from the Lincoln 12-bore shotgun, the sheep changed their relationship with me. No longer was I the nice guy who gave them food; I was the killer. Far from crowding around me on my arrival in the field, they kept up the safety distance of wild animals. Our relationship had gone bust. It took months to heal, because sheep remember.

    It is the right way for a sheep to die, in the right place — which is its home. But today it is compulsory for all animals entering the food chain to be slaughtered at a licensed abattoir. The number of abattoirs is insufficient, however, meaning that animals have a long trip, packed tight in a trailer to the slaughterhouse.

    Stress, as well as being cruel to the sheep, produces excesses of lactic acid, meaning the meat becomes ill-flavoured. Frequently, the animals sense their destiny at the abattoir and struggle to escape. To persuade sheep into the killing chamber, slaughterhouses use a trained “Judas sheep” to entice them forwards.

    Sheep deserve a decent death, and there should be no more stressful, long-distance transport to a fear-reeking abattoir.

    Nope – no decent death – marched into the horror show.. to wait their turn … for the mass slaughter…

    How about I do that to your pet dog… same thing…

    BTW – Hoolio does not like cars — if I try to bring him in the car he shivers with fear – and hops on the floor in the back seat and curls up in a ball…. poor Hoolio — imagine him being trucked with hundreds of other dogs to a killing centre…

    To be honest — given the choice — I’d send the child of a MOREON… instead. Cuz humans are vile. Dogs are not

    • houtskool says:

      In one word; respect. We lost it all FE. We lost it all. Our brain quantity did’t do the job. Fully agreed. Payday is on its way.

    • Wet My Beak says:

      New Zealand has 50 million sheep who think they are sheep and five million sheep who think they are human.

      • houtskool says:

        Earth has 8 billion useless eaters and 8 billion religions who think they are not.

    • nikoB says:

      A quick death for a sheep at home is a must. Shooting them in the brain is not easily done. An electro-stunning would be best but not feasible on a small farm. The way I have to do it is by slitting their throats. This is a very personal experience that I do not look forward to as I really like my sheep (they all have personalities you can tell apart) but in order to honor the animal all care must be taken and holding the sheep for a few minutes so that it is calm eases their journey. A skilled cut has them unconscious in a couple of seconds. I think that if most people had to do this to gain their meat they would become vegetarians.

      • houtskool says:

        Or a cannibal.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        No time for that… gotta kill em by the thousands … gotta feed 8B monsters.

      • Wet My Beak says:


        • Wet My Beak says:

          nikoB I mean not FE.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            If Satanism involves loose very hot women who enjoy various powders and pills and techo music and VIP rooms …sign me up!

          • nikoB says:

            what makes me a Satanist?
            I eat meat and I am honest about it.
            My animals live a good life.
            I do believe GOD not Satan demanded an animal sacrifice.
            I do understand people having an issue with the killing of animals for meat but good luck getting all you need from vegetables after collapse.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              Everything dies, so they might as well get over it. If they are ‘too good for this world’, then they know what they can do.

              These are _adults_ flaunting how ‘virtuous’ they are by how sentimental they can get about fluffy animals. Ridiculous people.

            • niko you are to be commended for the consideration, respect and appreciation you give to your animals

              Yes – meat has its place. Most ruminants can be raised on plants that are not fit for human consumption. Animals raised for meat may be looked at as energetically inefficient from a food calories/acre standpoint but that fails to take into account that they serve as high density energy/nutrient storage and all storage of food regardless of sourcing requires maintenance energy for preservation. When you factor in the energy required for processing/storage of plant foods the disparity between meat as a source of calories and more importantly protein and fats (look at price/value of protein and fat as compared to carbohydrates – some critical amino acids very difficult to get via vegetarian only diet)

              They are a very important component in adequate sustainable food supply ecosystems; a vital component in the sustenance of plant and soil communities via the recycling of maco-nutrients and a role in dispersal of micronutrients recovered by plants from dilute deep soil mineral deposits.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I’m going off animal meat post collapse – all the deer will run deep into the bush anyway once the guns start blasting …

              One of my neighbours has a plump 8 yr old… not sure what they are feeding her but it’s almost as if they know what’s coming and fattening the little turkey for the pot…. how kind of them!

              I am completely ok with humans eating humans.

      • JesseJames says:

        Yes, we have outsourced our Animal slaughter, pretending it is humane, since it is out of sight. I had to put our 16 yr old dog out of her misery with a pistol shot in the head…it was not an easy thing to do.
        We raise our own animals….chickens, goats and cattle….they have a nice life in abundant pastures. Their lives come to an end just like ours do…someday. I do think slitting the neck is the most humane way but hard to do with a cow.

  17. Fast Eddy says:

    More than ten million sheep are now stuck in factory farms worldwide; sheep are also used extensively in biomedical research. About 24,000 are used annually for a range of purposes, from the study of Huntington’s disease and heart conditions to orthopaedics, organ transplants and genetic research (including cloning). There was a time when sheep were used in Argentina as fuel, their bodies thrown into furnaces. Like logs.

    Exterminate All Humans ASAP.

    • Wet My Beak says:

      In sad new zealand’s best movie the quasi-eponymous Bad Taste a hapless sheep is killed with a rocket launcher.

      The shot is fired on one side of a house; it goes through an open window across the living room then out the window on the other side and into the sheep which explodes into pieces.

      One of the few creative scenes in a new zealand movie.

      The movie was the first of the now famous director Peter Jackson.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        If anyone wants to get a good feel for NZ – watch Once Were Warriors – then add meth to the situation and a re tar d ed donkey like character as PM….

        Its like Idiocracy here – only worse – and with Plough Hogs….

  18. Fast Eddy says:

    US covid test positivity rates by vaccination status

    yet another set of evidence that vaccines are not working to stop covid spread and that boosters wind up making you more likely to contract covid in the long run

    And we also know that it’s the vax being stuffed into the hospitals …

    More Boosters for the Donkeys!!!

  19. Herbie Ficklestein says:

    Natural-gas futures on Thursday posted a gain for the holiday-shortened week, their fifth weekly climb in a row, with prices for the fuel settling at their highest in close to 14 years.

    The front-month May contract for natural gas NGK22, +4.63% settled at $7.30 per million British thermal units on Thursday, up 30 cents, or 4.3% for the session. Prices for the week posted a gain of more than 16%, according to Dow Jones Market Data.

    “$7 natural gas price is insane, and well beyond all pricing models we had run until now,” said Manish Raj, chief financial officer at Velandera Energy Partners.

    Most financial markets were closed on Good Friday, including energy trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

    Thursday’s settlement was the highest for a front-month contract since October 2008, and the five-week climb was the longest such stretch of gains since October 2021.

    The catalyst behind this week’s rally in natural gas has been a “late season blast of cold weather making its way across the country,” boosting demand for heating in many parts of the nation, said Tyler Richey, co-editor at Sevens Report Research. He also said a pipeline outage in Alabama took some natural-gas supply offline for an “indefinite amount of time,” contributing to the price climb.

    Even so, the reason behind the rise in natural-gas prices to the highest levels since 2008 goes beyond current weather conditions and forecasts, Richey told MarketWatch. “This has been the result of an “increasingly bullish fundamental backdrop as inventories are now sitting 23.9% lower than the same period last year, and 17.8% lower than the five-year average.”

    The Energy Information Administration on Thursday reported that working natural gas in U.S. storage rose 15 billion cubic feet for the week ended April 8. That increase was bigger than the average rise of 10 billion cubic feet expected by analysts polled by S&P Global Commodity Insights, but less than the five-year average supply climb of 33 billion.

    At 1.397 trillion cubic feet, supplies are 439 billion less than a year ago and 303 billion below the five-year average, according to the EIA. The EIA on Friday noted that the U.S. ended the winter with the least natural gas in storage in three years.

    Tight storage “paired with strong demand so far in the spring ‘shoulder season’, when supply is supposed to build substantially before summer demand picks up, has bolstered prices as supply is expected to remain well below average for the foreseeable future,” Richey said.

    Geopolitical unrest in eastern Europe is also keeping a bid under the market as Russian energy exports could come to a halt at any time, he said.

    The New York Times reported Thursday that European Union officials were drafting a ban on oil imports from Russia. The EU has issued various sanctions on Russia, but has been reluctant to ban Russian oil given that some of its members are highly dependent on those imports.

    insanity…market to stock up on cans of beans that produce a lot of gas…provide Mrs Fast with much musical entertainment while keeping you warm when the coal runs out😩🦨

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Plenty of coal… have to stack the last 88 x 40kg sacks today ….

    • It sounds like the US is selling more natural gas abroad than it can really afford to part with. This keeps inventories low and selling prices high.

      I know that I “locked in” the natural gas price I am paying for home heating for two years. I expect quite a few others got long term contracts as well. This leaves the many intermediary sellers of natural gas (to produce “competition”) on the hook for the higher prices, without necessarily being able to pass them on to their customers. We could end up with quite a few of these intermediaries going out of business, not unlike the situation other places have run into.

    • whatgoesaround says:

      I’m surprised there is not more talk about carbon bubble on this blog.
      Carbon bubble could be a sign that the green energy transition is already well under way.

      something like what happened for the transition from analogic to digital:

      This could be one reason why the Russian government decided to invade Ukraine, because it knows it will be left out of the green energy transition and tries to slow it, but I think the transition has already and cannot be stopped

      • The truth is that the forecast for huge global warming is based on far more future fossil fuel use than is possible. Also, our food supply and all aspects of our life depend on fossil fuel consumption. We cannot stop using fossil fuels.

        We are facing the opposite problem of what the climate models assume: too little affordable fossil fuels, rather than too much. The economy is coming down, in the near term, because of the lack of affordable fossil fuels. The climate models have mostly been put together as a distraction. Sort of a “sour grapes” type of approach. To encourage the belief that we don’t really want fossil fuels anyhow because of their bad indirect effects.

        The same leaders have tried to push the idea that “renewable energy” will be our savior. The truth is that “renewable energy” is really just another use for fossil fuels. The thing that makes renewable energy work for investors is subsidies. But apart from the benefit to investors, so-called renewable energy doesn’t do much of anything. It can’t keep the lights on or heat our homes in winter, without the help of burning lots of fossil fuels.

        Intermittency is pretty much of a “deal killer.” Intermittency can be handled with hydroelectric, because dams can hold back water for later use. But it can’t for wind and solar. Europe has tried to deceive itself with the belief that renewable energy can work as a substitute for fossil fuels, but it is discovering that there are huge problems with this assumption.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I am unsure as to why this topic continues to be raised on OFW.

          The age of fossil fuels (and humans) is about to end. If the ice caps have not melted by now then they ain’t gonna melt.

          It’s a pointless discussion.

          Let’s talk about Kim K’s arse — implants or real?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Carbon bubble could be a sign that the green energy transition is already well under way.

        hahahahahaha… hahahahaahahaha.. no further comment

  20. Whatever the UK patriots might think , and whatever their achievements are,

    UK is responsible for making the Hindus great again.

    When Johnson goes, Sunak becomes the Prime Minister although he is not that popular.

    He will be the first of the Hindu Viziers the people of UK will enjoy.

    Instead of making peace of Europe and repenting their ways of killing Europeans for three centuries by knocking out the statues of Wellington, Nelson, etc UK continued to promote these figures while the HIndus were increasing control within.

    Wellington and Nelson will be replaced by Gandhi, Nehru and other people from India which few people in UK ever heard and care about.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      are you an unnecessariat?

      seems like it.

    • Genomir says:

      So what’s the issue? UK totally destroyed india and now indus will destroy the uk. It is cosmic poetry. Who gives a shit about genetically deformed imperial wannabes and their former servants now turned masters. What goes around sooner or later comes around. You as a historical freak shoul be well aware of that and not acting surprised

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I am amused when I hear Brits moan about London being overrun by SE Asians… hahaha… at least they don’t open fire on women and children… so it barely even registers as Karma

      • Very Far Frank says:

        And in turn what comes around, will almost certainly go around.

        The British people never voted for mass immigration, even tacitly; they were never given a say from either party.

        How long do we think BAU will run? At the current rate of inflation growth, another 2-3 years, before prices makes it untenable?

        Do you think those ethnic and social fissures will just simmer as they always have in times of intense economic hardship?

        That’s not what history tells us…

  21. Hubbs. says:

    RE: Government and more preaching to the choir.
    From my perspective as a biology oriented person, I tend to think in terms of biologic efficiency. The basic rule is, that over time, animals only get enough calories to survive to reproduce. Life’s a bitch and there is no free lunch. Any extra calorie that comes your way is a Godsend, and animals have gone to great lengths in energy conservation to store this in the form of fat.

    When humans were able to escape these food and energy limitations, first through agriculture and ultimately with fossil fuels, this allowed specialization, trade, the requirement for money as a substitute for barter. We are now seeing the full ramifications of this against a background of diminishing natural resources and limits to energy accessibility.

    The problem is from a civilization stand point, there is also a bad form of specialization, a parasitic form of specialization: GOVERNMENT. People. who. produce. nothing. The pure definition of inefficiency, just as if power isbeing lost through transmission lines.

    The catch-22 is that with everything being provided for them, these people in government are free to focus on this form of “specialization” which is all about centralizing and expanding control. This quest for control has been supercharged via fiat money and by the creation of the internet. With fiat currency, politicians can now borrow to pay for the promises they make that get them re-elected and thereby become magnets for corporate influence money and launching a fascist state. This is about pure control, in an abstract way, similar to a lion that patrols its territory to insure its exclusive mating and resources.

    Just as supply chains through complexity and interdependency have become more costly and inefficient, so have the supply lines of central government control.
    People high up this parasitic pyramid of government and corporatocracy are there because they, like people who excel in what they do such as a musician or scientist, excel in sociopathy. The very type of person who winds up in government is the one who should never be allowed to be there in the first place.

    Just as a pure democracy (two wolves and a sheep deciding what’s for dinner, or voting themselves funds from the exchequer) contains the seeds that assure its ultimate self-destruction, so does specialization which enables government.

    It is politically incorrect to address the elephants in the room: Population control, and depletion of natural resources, food and energy.

    Population control is a problem because it pits a huge moral and ethical dilemma against a purely cold practical one of limited resources. An across-the-board reduction in living standards for the normalcy biased 1st world countries is politically unpalatable, but quite hypocritically, massive wars in which millions of lives are lost are not.

    • Thanks! You make excellent points in your comment.

      Of course, government is only possible through the energy it takes for the economy as a whole. As the amount of energy available falls, parts of the government have to fall away. Schools have to be taught online and less road paving needs to be done. In some cases, the top level of government falls away, such as the failure of the top level of government of the Soviet Union.

      No one dares address the elephants in the room: population and energy limits. Population limits tend to have a big drawback when it comes to funding retirement benefits for the many old folks, because then there is clearly no way to pay for the retirement benefits.

      • houtskool says:

        I’d be happy to pay for this blog, dear Gail.

        Not paypal apple coin or such stuff. Maybe ME and FE can draw funny norm pics as a payment.

    • Xabier says:

      Interesting point, Hubbs: after a big war, the people left do indeed usually expect it to be restored to quite as good as it was before, or even better – as in the UK 1945, or the USSR at the same time. By the early 1950’s in Britain people were getting rather impatient as rationing and fuel shortages continued.

      But they will also tend to accept, both during the war and immediately after, a lower general standard of living which they would have rejected if it had been proposed as a policy in time of peace.

      • JesseJames says:

        Unfortunately, the situation in the UK will go from bad to worse, never to recover. They might paper this over temporarily in terms of sacrifice due to war, but that thin excuse will not last long.

    • Dr. Richard Fleming in a video saying that he thinks the individual who has come up with the Cobra venom theory, and the theory that COVID-19 jumped from snakes to humans, is in over his head.

  22. Mirror on the wall says:

    This is probably an important article. It sounds like a global rebellion against the dollar hegemony is about to be unleashed. It very much fits with Gail’s analysis that energy flows and power balances are shifting away from Europe and toward Asia (here, the ‘Global South’). The formal mechanisms for that shift are about to be put in place. Only time will tell.


    > Interview: Russian geo-economics Tzar Sergey Glazyev introduces the new global financial system

    The world’s new monetary system, underpinned by a digital currency, will be backed by a basket of new foreign currencies and natural resources. And it will liberate the Global South from both western debt and IMF-induced austerity

    Leading Russian economist Sergey Glazyev says a complete overhaul of the western-dominated global monetary and financial system is under works. And the world’s rising powers are buying into it.

    Sergey Glazyev is a man living right in the eye of our current geopolitical and geo-economic hurricane. One of the most influential economists in the world, a member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and a former adviser to the Kremlin from 2012 to 2019, for the past three years he has helmed Moscow’s uber strategic portfolio as Minister in Charge of Integration and Macroeconomics of the Eurasia Economic Union (EAEU).

    Glazyev’s recent intellectual production has been nothing short of transformative, epitomized by his essay Sanctions and Sovereignty and an extensive discussion of the new, emerging geo-economic paradigm in an interview to a Russian business magazine.

    The Cradle: You are at the forefront of a game-changing geo-economic development: the design of a new monetary/financial system via an association between the EAEU and China, bypassing the US dollar, with a draft soon to be concluded. Could you possibly advance some of the features of this system – which is certainly not a Bretton Woods III – but seems to be a clear alternative to the Washington consensus and very close to the necessities of the Global South?

    Glazyev: In a bout of Russophobic hysteria, the ruling elite of the United States played its last “trump ace” in the hybrid war against Russia. Having “frozen” Russian foreign exchange reserves in custody accounts of western central banks, financial regulators of the US, EU, and the UK undermined the status of the dollar, euro, and pound as global reserve currencies. This step sharply accelerated the ongoing dismantling of the dollar-based economic world order.

    Over a decade ago, my colleagues at the Astana Economic Forum and I proposed to transition to a new global economic system based on a new synthetic trading currency based on an index of currencies of participating countries. Later, we proposed to expand the underlying currency basket by adding around twenty exchange-traded commodities. A monetary unit based on such an expanded basket was mathematically modeled and demonstrated a high degree of resilience and stability.

    At around the same time, we proposed to create a wide international coalition of resistance in the hybrid war for global dominance that the financial and power elite of the US unleashed on the countries that remained outside of its control. My book The Last World War: the USA to Move and Lose, published in 2016, scientifically explained the nature of this coming war and argued for its inevitability – a conclusion based on objective laws of long-term economic development. Based on the same objective laws, the book argued the inevitability of the defeat of the old dominant power.

    Currently, the US is fighting to maintain its dominance, but just as Britain previously, which provoked two world wars but was unable to keep its empire and its central position in the world due to the obsolescence of its colonial economic system, it is destined to fail. The British colonial economic system based on slave labor was overtaken by structurally more efficient economic systems of the US and the USSR. Both the US and the USSR were more efficient at managing human capital in vertically integrated systems, which split the world into their zones of influence. A transition to a new world economic order started after the disintegration of the USSR. This transition is now reaching its conclusion with the imminent disintegration of the dollar-based global economic system, which provided the foundation of the United States global dominance.

    The new convergent economic system that emerged in the PRC (People’s Republic of China) and India is the next inevitable stage of development, combining the benefits of both centralized strategic planning and market economy, and of both state control of the monetary and physical infrastructure and entrepreneurship. The new economic system united various strata of their societies around the goal of increasing common wellbeing in a way that is substantially stronger than the Anglo-Saxon and European alternatives. This is the main reason why Washington will not be able to win the global hybrid war that it started. This is also the main reason why the current dollar-centric global financial system will be superseded by a new one, based on a consensus of the countries who join the new world economic order.

    In the first phase of the transition, these countries fall back on using their national currencies and clearing mechanisms, backed by bilateral currency swaps. At this point, price formation is still mostly driven by prices at various exchanges, denominated in dollars. This phase is almost over: after Russia’s reserves in dollars, euro, pound, and yen were “frozen,” it is unlikely that any sovereign country will continue accumulating reserves in these currencies. Their immediate replacement is national currencies and gold.

    The second stage of the transition will involve new pricing mechanisms that do not reference the dollar. Price formation in national currencies involves substantial overheads, however, it will still be more attractive than pricing in ‘un-anchored’ and treacherous currencies like dollars, pounds, euro, and yen. The only remaining global currency candidate – the yuan – won’t be taking their place due to its inconvertibility and the restricted external access to the Chinese capital markets. The use of gold as the price reference is constrained by the inconvenience of its use for payments.

    The third and the final stage on the new economic order transition will involve a creation of a new digital payment currency founded through an international agreement based on principles of transparency, fairness, goodwill, and efficiency. I expect that the model of such a monetary unit that we developed will play its role at this stage. A currency like this can be issued by a pool of currency reserves of BRICS countries, which all interested countries will be able to join. The weight of each currency in the basket could be proportional to the GDP of each country (based on purchasing power parity, for example), its share in international trade, as well as the population and territory size of participating countries.

    In addition, the basket could contain an index of prices of main exchange-traded commodities: gold and other precious metals, key industrial metals, hydrocarbons, grains, sugar, as well as water and other natural resources. To provide backing and to make the currency more resilient, relevant international resource reserves can be created in due course. This new currency would be used exclusively for cross-border payments and issued to the participating countries based on a pre-defined formula. Participating countries would instead use their national currencies for credit creation, in order to finance national investments and industry, as well as for sovereign wealth reserves. Capital account cross-border flows would remain governed by national currency regulations.

    The Cradle: Michael Hudson specifically asks that if this new system enables nations in the Global South to suspend dollarized debt and is based on the ability to pay (in foreign exchange), can these loans be tied to either raw materials or, for China, tangible equity ownership in the capital infrastructure financed by foreign non-dollar credit?

    Glazyev: Transition to the new world economic order will likely be accompanied by systematic refusal to honor obligations in dollars, euro, pound, and yen. In this respect, it will be no different from the example set by the countries issuing these currencies who thought it appropriate to steal foreign exchange reserves of Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, Afghanistan, and Russia to the tune of trillions of dollars. Since the US, Britain, EU, and Japan refused to honor their obligations and confiscated the wealth of other nations which was held in their currencies, why should other countries be obliged to pay them back and to service their loans?

    In any case, participation in the new economic system will not be constrained by the obligations in the old one. Countries of the Global South can be full participants of the new system regardless of their accumulated debts in dollars, euro, pound, and yen. Even if they were to default on their obligations in those currencies, this would have no bearing on their credit rating in the new financial system. Nationalization of extraction industry, likewise, would not cause a disruption. Further, should these countries reserve a portion of their natural resources for the backing of the new economic system, their respective weight in the currency basket of the new monetary unit would increase accordingly, providing that nation with larger currency reserves and credit capacity. In addition, bilateral swap lines with trading partner countries would provide them with adequate financing for co-investments and trade financing….

    (the rest of the intervew is here: )

    • Dennis L. says:

      Wow, a new metric for what “stuff” is worth and a means of exchange all in one. TPTB are not going to be happy with this one.

      Dennis L.

    • agreed that the USA cannot sustain its ‘dollar dominance’; whether that is long or short term i really don’t know.

      but Glazyev has i think glossed over one or two little details.

      a ”basket of new currencies and global resources”–sounds very grand when spun across the pages like that.

      unfortunately there are no ‘new global resources’.
      Give the new ‘geo economic system’ any name you like, but if it isn’t underpinned by cheap surplus energy, it’s dead in the water.

      if goods are produced, they must be affordable to the intended customer base. Right now millions of people are struggling to heat and eat. A basket of new currencies isnt going to change that. Or make fuel cheaper.
      And that is the bottom line.

      and there can be no ‘new currencies’ if they are not underpinned by ‘global resources’.

      I probably shouldnt be amazed that a ‘top world economist’ skips over such a chasm in his economic reasoning.

      He then skips the next economic stepping stone:

      that if no means exists to use those resources, they will not acquire value, and will remain in the ground.
      it will be beyond the wit of most to understand this concept.
      Instead the certainty will take root, that oil (or whatever) is being kept unused in order to preserve it for ‘the elders’.
      Mass privation will thus be the fault of ‘others’.

      When you have ‘others’ at fault, you have the fuses of conflict.

      Heating and eating is going to create the violence of desperation.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Seems like that would imply deflation to such a currency, or one reflecting what is happening. Not sure on that one, but if a central bank cannot inflate, then deflation would seem possible.

        Dennis L.

      • drb says:

        The increase in price of said resources is baked in this cake. They will acquire value because there will a price discovery that is not phony. The economy will then move to production of fewer, longer lasting, essential goods. It will never be again like the roaring 1960s, obviously. But some countries will do better than they are doing now.

        • I am not sure we really can do what you suggest, drb.

          Food and water are the most essential goods; everything else is secondary. Food and water have very transient usefulness.

          I am not sure how much besides food and water the economy will be able to afford. Paving roads is a long lasting use for energy products, but will we have sufficient energy for that?

          Building homes will eventually have to revert to designs that can be made without fossil fuels; keeping homes warm is difficult to do, without cheap fossil fuels. Burning wood takes down forests quickly.

          Replace computers with slide rules or abacuses? Do without paper? Use clay tablets instead?

          • drb says:

            It depends on which economy. There is an obvious strong program of infrastructure building in Russia. As well as apartment blocks building. Despite all sanctions, there will be a flow of capital towards the Russian Arctic because there is no alternative to developing those fields. With success, Eurasia will have another 50 years or so of energy. Eventually you will be right, but it is not a given that all economies will go down at the same time. Unless we go past the nuclear threshold of course.

            • It is awfully difficult to ship natural gas or oil from the arctic. Pipelines are terribly long, making the cost of building them very expensive. If there is oil, it tends to solidify in the cold weather unless pipelines are full of hot oil coming out. Shipping natural gas to the global South as LNG becomes very expensive, too.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Homes made of thick lead walls and roofs… cuz….

        • if i may offer a different perspective on ‘resources’

          a price cannot be ‘disccovered’—that is a contradiction in terms.

          a price is what you pay for something, the value is what your available means allows you to do with it.

          you pay a ‘price’ for a ton of charcoal and a ton of iron bars.

          if you happen to be a skilled blacksmith, you can combine the two and make horseshoes.—

          horseshoes then take on a ‘value’ because people will buy them from you to put to use.

          you earn money from your horseshoes—you can feed your family, using energy-value acquired through foods.


          if on the other hand the price of your charcoal and iron rises (through resource shortages) to such as extent that you can no longer make horseshoes that are affordable to anyone, then no amount of searching will ‘discover’ a different price. Horses need iron shoes, they wear out and must be replaced.
          but there is a limit to what can be afforded in real terms. You stop making horseshoes, your family begins to starve.

          similarly, i treat my tyres with care…but eventually they need replacement. If the price goes up to, say. £1000 each, then i cannot ‘discover’ a new price from somewhere. I stop using my car because tyres are unaffordable.

          the laws of physics means that things wear out, they cannot be replaced with money, only with more ‘resources’

          • Tim Groves says:

            You discover the price of a new set of tyres when you visit your local tyre retailer and ask, “How much are those radials in the window?”

            • very good

              my tyre lady complains shes never going to get rich selling me tyres though—she sells em—hubby puts them on, a really great team to have just down the road

      • Good points!

      • houtskool says:

        Quite correct Norman. The monetary plane ran out of fuel. Time for reality.

        What is reality? Well, i can imagine people shitting in one bucket instead of three; male, female and gender neutral. Not in that specific order.

    • Thanks very much.

      In countries where electricity is becoming increasingly intermittent, I have questions about a new digital currency really working.

    • drb says:

      I have long been an admirer of Glazyev. The war has set Russia’s internal course more or less the way I wanted it to be. Time for me to turn the rest of my dollars into crypto. Being Italian, I have no loyalty to an empire that has destroyed the economy of my original country in the last 30 years, and before then, destroyed its political and geopolitical aspirations. This is revenge not just for Donbass, but also Serbia, Lybia, Iraq, Berlinguer and Moro. If you have real industrial skills, or even some skills, consider moving here.

  23. Harry McGibbs says:

    “U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen will convene a meeting of top international financial officials next week to address a global food-security crisis, with the heads of institutions including the IMF urging action to address dire consequences of record price surges caused by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.”

  24. Herbie Ficklestein says:

    See ….BAU has The Supreme Court Stacked…what a surprise…🤑🤪

    Supreme Court may toss an ‘important tool’ for regulating climate change
    Yahoo News

    Ben Adler·Senior Editor
    Thu, April 14, 2022, 4:42 PM
    The Supreme Court is on the verge of restricting the Environmental Protection Agency’s ability to limit carbon dioxide emissions from power plants.

    The court’s conservative majority appears likely to side with Republican-controlled states and coal companies in West Virginia v. EPA, for which the court heard oral arguments on Feb. 28 and is expected to issue a ruling in June. Such a ruling could eliminate some of the key methods that the Biden administration can use to accelerate the power sector’s transition to cleaner sources of energy, potentially hamstringing its ability to meet the president’s goal of halving greenhouse gas emissions by 2030.

    Experts say the court is virtually guaranteed to side with the petitioners — a coalition of red states and coal companies — but that the still unknown logic and details of the ruling may determine the shape of U.S. climate regulation in the future.

    When push comes to shove…Crazy Fast Edwin knows the deal

    • Or perhaps some people look around and see that we really don’t have a supply of cleaner alternatives.

      • Herbie Ficklestein says:

        Once read in an energy magazine of some short an expert pointing all energy extracted by humans essentially is “dirty” in one form or other.
        Suppose solar provides clean as long as you keep it simple..good luck running BAU via a cloths line.
        If people survive the bottleneck and CC back to the Garden as the CSNY 60s song goes

        • Tim Groves says:

          That was Joni’s song, actually. She didn’t go along to the festival because she had an appearance booked on the Dick Calvert show and thought she might not be able to make it back to the city in time. So she missed out but got even by writing the song—which also has a some decent physics in it, along with some Biblical metaphors.

          We are stardust
          Billion year old carbon
          We are golden
          Caught up the devil’s bargain
          And we’ve got to get ourselves
          Back to the garden

          Duncan, however, did get to Woodstock. He may even be in one or two of the photos shown in the video.

          • Ed says:

            1) Woodstock did not take place in Woodstock but in Bethel about 60 miles southwest of Woodstock.

            2) the iconic song about Woodstock was written by a business woman who place her business obligations above going to Woodstock.

            3) I guess it has always been about the narrative

  25. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Top wheat buyer Egypt’s latest tender laid bare the eye-watering costs importers face as the Ukraine war upends the global grains trade.

    “The country is boosting efforts to ensure it has enough to feed its citizens, many of whom rely on a bread-subsidy program. On Wednesday it drew offers from six companies… But they were all at a high price, with most approaching $500 a ton when factoring in shipping.”

  26. Sam says:

    Is it possible to have a bretton woods? Europe is going to have to be bailed out soon and then there is the issue of Ukraine

  27. reante says:

    Gail, I’ve got a comment from yesterday evening in the spam folder. Thank you.

    • Sorry. We have heard more than enough about your theories of disease.

      • reante says:

        Ok Gail. Thank you for having me.

      • Thierry says:

        Gail, let me support Reante. What he says about health makes sense. Unfortunately everything we have been told, our education, has been shaped for more than a century by the fossil fuel industry and their bankers. We really need to unlearn and destroy this illusion. I understand iy can seem farfetched because we have become unable to see the most simple facts. We believe and we cannot observe by ourselves, this is really crazy. There is a knowledge that has been lost, but not for everyone

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          a lifetime of personal observation confirms to me that “germs” cause infections and illnesses.

          I am astounded that you have not observed these “most simple facts”.

          it is almost “really crazy”.

          • Thierry says:

            David, how can you explain that Pettenkofer 1892 in could drink a quantity of water infected by pure cultures of the cholera bacillus and not develop a full-blown case of cholera? Koch won the controversy in the end but science like history is written by the winners. That does not mean they are right.

            • Yorchichan says:

              Even animals know to avoid others that are sick. Lots of studies have been carried out confirming this. Why would such behaviour evolve if contagion is not a reality?

            • Fast Eddy says:

              You’d think norm would know to avoid Sick Snatch Sue.

            • Every se xual innuendo reveals your discomfort with and lack of knowledge of the subject eddy

              you seem unable to put together a sentence without it. And English is such a pretty language. It really doesn’t need faux-obs cenity. The real thing has its place and time. And can be so beautiful and tender in mutual exchange. I doubt if you would know that though.

              one can only assume words is all you now have available in that respect

              and even they reveal ineptitude. Too late I think for me to offer help in that respect.

              It must get very tiresome in RL. Much more so than here on OFW.

              Still, it keeps you top of the delete list. Good to be good at something.

            • the human body has an amazing capacity to fix itself. Anyone capable of unbiased thinking knows that doctors are a matter of last resort. On the rare occasions i visit a doctor, he tells me I’m fitter than he is.

              I have a decent body, that still works as it should. I try not to abuse it too much. I’ve been lucky not to catch anything seriously nasty. I have some ideas about what keeps me as i am–i intend to go on with that as long as possible. Something will knock me over in the next few years. I can only hope the grim reaper makes a surprise visit.

              But i live in a clean environment where i can rely on my food and water being unpolluted. If i didn’t my risk factors would change drastically.

              in times past, bacterial dangers were unknown. Beer drinkers were healthier than water drinkers in towns–but why? Nobody knew. A scratch from a rose thorn could kill you. Now, if you get a septic finger from that, nip down the docs and get it fixed–job done.

              Doctors could only try hit an miss methods. If a doctor got lucky, and a few patients recovered, he got a reputation for being ‘good’–chances are those patients mended themselves. Why should some recover from plague—and some not? —ah—god decides. Nope–just a different constitution thats all

              Then the microscope was invented, and bacteria became visible and a lot of other nasty stuff showed up. Medical science has advanced because of that.

              Obviously a few doctors will be crooks and charlatans–even mass murderers. it suits the plotmongers and conspiraholics to paint them all with the same brush–just for scandalous effect. Most are really not that way inclined. The staff at eddys medical centre are really not trying to bump him off (wishful thinking is another matter entirely).

              The fact remains, that without the backup of industry, your average doctor could offer you little more than a tribal medicine man

          • Tim Groves says:

            Fighting cholera

            As a pioneer of hygiene and preventive medicine, Pettenkofer can not be understood without mentioning his battle against cholera (40). Many of Pettenkofer’s most impor- tant ideas are linked to cholera, for example his ideas about a clean soil in the cities, his promotion of sanitary reforms, ade- quate pressurized water supply, and a sufficient sewage network.

            Since the second decade of the 19th century Asian dysentery swept rapidly across Europe in several pandemics, spreading fear among the population. In the eighties of the 19th century, even in Japan the people trembled before the epidemic. As a rule 50% of the patients did not survive the illness. Today we know that the cholera pathogen is present in the infected person’s stool and that the disease is passed from one person to another through contaminated food or water. The cholera pathogen, the comma bacillus discovered in 1883 by Robert Koch (1843–1910), produces an enterotoxin in the intestines, responsible for all the pathological changes. When Pettenkofer began to study cholera in the mid 19th century, there was great perplexity as to the origins and transmission of this epidemic (41, p. 576–578; 42, p. 330–331).

            One group of experts pointed out that cholera spread along the trade and traffic routes, and advocated the theory, that it was contagious. These so-called contagionists said the disease spread through a specific infectious cholera germ that was transmitted either directly or indirectly from those suffering from the disease to healthy persons. Other specialists believed that a cholera poison had its origins outside the body of the ill person. The adherents of this miasmatic theory, as it was called, denied any connection between the spread of the disease, on the one hand, and trade and travel, on the other. They had observed that within the areas affected by the epidemic, many places remained cholera free. For this reason they held the awesome disease to be non-contagious. In the opinion of this so-called miasmatic theory, poisonous earth vapours or rotten fumes or the odour of decay from swampy ground and other sources were responsible for cholera. The epidemic was thus not transmitted by the ill but arose from local conditions.

            In fact, the assumption that vapours from rotting material or from the earth were responsible, offered a plausible explana- tion for the regional and local differences in the occurrence of cholera. However, this theory (sometimes known as localism) provided no answer for the undeniable geographical spread of the epidemic along the trade and travel routes. The contra- dictions appeared unsolvable. Being a genuine researcher, Pettenkofer regarded it a personal challenge to overcome the existing contradictions and uncover the real truth about the cholera (29, p. 99).

          • Tim Groves says:

            Based on his own epidemiological data, Pettenkofer inter- preted the facts as indicating the existence of a cholera germ that bred in the patient’s intestine and spread by means of human excrement, but was not contagious. He believed that this germ was incapable of triggering an epidemic by itself, but when combined with certain putrescent materials existing in the soil it produced a highly infectious agent that caused the cholera. Pettenkofer thus developed a cholera theory with no internal contradictions, which, in contrast to previous views, could explain all known facts in one unified etiology. While the uninfectious cholera germ carried the disease from place to place, the actual transmitting material or the true infectious substance was a product of the soil. This could explain why certain places remained free of cholera, even though they lay on the route of the epidemic (29, p. 99–100).

            According to Pettenkofer, the process decisive for the spread of the epidemic took place outside the human body, in the ground. Pettenkofer described this process in the soil as a kind of chemical maturing driven by decay and fermentation organisms. But this reaction under the surface required a nutri- tive solution derived from the organic wastes that ended up in the ground every day. Accordingly, he recommended that the ground be made infertile for maturing the disease’s germs. In other words, this meant cleaning the waste material out of the soil. Thus, the goal of a well-considered health policy would have to be to bring enough clean water into the cities and drain waste water away by building new, efficient sewage systems. In this way the ground could be cleansed, protecting people from the dangers of cholera (29, p. 110).

            Since there is often confusion about this point, I should like it to be understood: In contrast to English experts of hygiene like John Simon (1816–1904) and John Snow (1813– 1858), Pettenkofer believed that it was not drinking water itself that could trigger a cholera epidemic, but rather the huge amounts of water used domestically and industrially, which contaminated the urban soil, thus creating the precondition for the production of the cholera poison in the ground (18, p. 171– 173; 29, p. 110–113). Pettenkofer clearly stated that consuming about two liters of drinking water a day could do no harm, due to the disinfecting power of the human stomach.

            Nevertheless, as we have seen, Pettenkofer argued for good drinking water. But his arguments were very different from those based on the contagionistic view. Bad drinking water only disturbed the balance of physiological processes, but did not cause an epidemic infection. Pettenkofer obviously underrated the role of drinking water in the spread of an epidemic like cholera.


        • Genomir says:

          And what can an observer with no theoretical and practical knowledge provide as output? (obviously a rhetorical question)

        • Xabier says:

          In the Middle Ages and Renaissance, doctors throughout Europe – they were often internationally-trained – persisted doggedly in using treatments which killed people who might otherwise have recovered.

          Why? Because they had followed the authority of texts surviving from Roman times, and which they had mis-read.

          Similarly, many of them ferociously opposed, in the 19th century, the suggestion that the deaths of mothers soon after giving birth could be cut drastically by so simple a thing as washing hands, despite being fully supported by data. Ditto for sterilising instruments.

          On the other hand, I know someone who was successfully and rapidly cured of a long-term painful condition by – when all modern doctors had failed – a traditional Iranian leech doctor.

          As with all things, including pseudo-vaxxes, Caveat Emptor.

          Although the last two years have shown that the majority don’t have any wits to keep about them in the first place and are easy prey for learned fraudsters in white coats, just as much as in 1300 or 1800.

        • No the extreme things that Reante says about health does not make sense and is dangerous. When you say that the dormancy of plants in the winter causes seasonal anoxic conditions within the human body thus causing cellular death inciting respiratory disease symptoms/manifestation – no that does not make sense. Inciting others to advocate drinking water with known innoculations of Cholera – not really a responsible thing to do. Russian roulette has limited finite world applicability.

          People still want to believe the myth that modern medicine has caused the big reduction in mortality seen since the late 1800’s – no the majority of mortality reduction has been due to public health measures directed toward sanitation – adequate “clean” housing, clean water, isolation/containment/treatment of waste streams (wastewater, solid waste, air pollutants) The myth that antibiotics and viral vaccinations have significantly changed the mortality rate is exactly that – a self serving myth for physicians and medical technology to maintain status. Sanitation has made the terrain/environment unsuitable for explosive propogation of pathogens. The myth has been a small numbers game with covid vaccination just one more example – make a small absolute change to a small problem is a small percentage on an absolute scale, but on a relative scale it looks like a huge percentage (99.97% survive covid – the 0.03% that are gonna die would have done so pretty soon anyway of any number of other things, but if you can delay 0.025% (absolute scale) of those deaths by say a couple extra months or a year via jab then hey 0.025/0.03 is 83% of people “saved” on a relative basis – Great for PR/propoganda brainwashing purposes. Lets not mention the extra 1% (absolute scale) of people who were not gonna die soon that now due to a forced exposure to a toxin (that their bloodstream would have never seen otherwise even with a normal Covid infection) are maimed or killed to “save” those 0.025%. Same small numbers game with most other vaccines and non-surgical medical interventions – the big absolute gains had already been made by public sanitation measure even before antibiotics became common and well before “successful” vaccination programs.

          Moderation in all things – extremest views without at least strong anectdotal evidence backed up later by controlled experiments (I like the knife to thigh feces smearing controlled study idea for terrain only proponents) is irresponsible. To totally dismiss “Terrain” is also an extremist view.

          Pasteur may have taken/gotten credit for other peoples work but that doesnt mean there wasnt and hasnt been merit and benefit from the conceptual understanding of “germs”. That modern medicine has gone too far by neglecting nutrition and physical/chemical environment, while thinking vaccination for any and all potential “germs” is a solution is no reason to throw away the understanding of pathogens & transmissibility’s impact on health and go to the opposite exteme of being a germ denier. Cut your nose off to spite your face.

          Does that mean that “Terrain” or that toxic environmental exposure or chemical/physical state of the body has no influence on health – of course not. Nutrition and how we treat our bodies and the stresses/enviromental conditions we subject it to all determine how we interact and respond to the challenges that we face or the efficiency with which our body and organisms contained within (both symbiotic & pathogenic) interact. (Recent characterization of us via quantity of dna is 40%human/60%gut microorganism – much interesting work on how gut biome affects health – we are a symbiote and some would say more bug than human)

          There is no yin without the yang. The fact that a good part of our dna can be traced back to integration of viral dna sources means there is a lot we dont understand. The MIT researcher that was all into dueterium depleted water (Stephanie I cant remember her last name) talked about how body created microenvironments such that local conditions favored positive action by a virus whereas under other conditions that virus was deleterious. Some proteins under correct conditions and conformation are vital for our functioning – under specific abnormal enviromental or viral influences those same proteins misfold, turn into prions and potentially cause disease and death.

          So I must agree with Gail – to totally dismiss germ theory and advocate in the manner that Reante has been is irresponsible and serves no purpose here. To discuss terrain without dismissing germ theory should be explored, but may not have a place here in relation to finite world discussions. I do think the distinction can be made with regard ongoing discussion of Covid and its truth in that pseudo/real pandemic(s) will seemingly have a big role in how civilizations will transform within the finite world narrative.

          • yes, sanitation has made a vast difference to public health

            but just using the polio vaccine as one example—i think a lot of people offer a vote of gratitude for that.

            and yes, i know about the polio batch that went wrong, that was due to faulty manufacture by one supplier.

            Salk had made his vaccine free of all patents (imagine—he didn’t seek to profit from it) but somebody produced it wrong

            • I didnt say all vaccines were useless but that they are not a panacea. If you only have a hammer in toolbox doesnt mean all problems are a nail. Kids nowadays are getting up to ~90 jabs during their developmental years with unknown cumulative effects of adjuvants. Anecdotes from pediatricians that have tracked vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations indicate the unvaccinated kids seem to have better long term health – officially we avoid funding these types of studies because vested interests do not want to broker the possibility of adverse findings. The explosion in autistic kids condition onset and unexplained SIDs deaths that seem to have higher frequency than expected via random process in days immediately post vaccination are valid concerns that have not been adequately investigated because to do so may threaten technologies that make lots of people lots of money.

              The polio vaccine may be a valid application although there are some that say that sans the vaccine you would have seen a diminishing of the disease due to improved sanitation and nutrition that was coincident with polio “elimination.” Very difficult to sort out confounding actions. Yes Salk is to be commended for his ethical disemination of his vaccine dont seem to see many following his lead. One other viewpoint also is that antibiotics and vaccines are ephemeral and short sighted – in the long run the microbes are gonna develop resistances and evade our technology, in the meantime we have diluted genetic propensity for resistance (failure to expose gut biome to adaptive pressures) such that when reestablishment of environmental pathogen populations occurs our immune responses are much less adequate than if we had continued with low level long term exposures.

              Pasteurization, other sanitation or therapeutic measures does not or may not eliminate all pathogens but it does reduce the concentration/dose exposure such that our bodies natural defenses are able to prevent or overcome infection. Dose is important – one cholera microbe in a glass of water not gonna have much chance of getting you – innoculate a stream or groundwater with growth medium (feces works) conducive to maintaining cholera at high concentration and drink the raw water then good chance gonna get sick. So in this regard the state of the terrain does matter, however it is the germ that is ultimate element of action.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              It’s so much easier just to not have kids hehehehe… what with all these jabs that they force on them … teachers coercing them into going tranny… social media … and for what – they will all be dead soon.

              No thanks

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Agree – Terrain is important … people who eat garbage and do no exercise…who smoke … who drink excessively … well there’s a reason they are more likely to be diseased… but they don’t care – they have no self control – nor do they want it – it is easy to fill the trolley with soda and crips and plunk on the sofa day after day watching the tee vee….

          • Fast Eddy says:

            It is rather amusing that we are injecting billions of humans with a ‘vaccine’ for a disease from which almost nobody dies… and those that do have an average age of 82 with multiple comorbidities…

            And people believe this is being done to protect them ….

            And if you try to point this out to them (and show them it ain’t working) — they get angry and scream ‘anti-vaxxer!!!!’

      • Genomir says:

        This is the beat thing to read for the whole day. You are superb host, Gail

  28. CTG says:

    EROEI is a very important thing to take note. In the olden days where you can stick a straw into the ground, the overhead is very low. Probably, in jest just the straw. The demand of various types of oils is low, perhaps, gasoline, kerosene, diesel, something in between and lastly tar.

    Fast forward to today. The overhead is high. computers, food for the workers, etc are all not local. The drilling equipment is made from various exotic materials and computer chips from many parts of the world. One has to include the machines that makes the chips and all the processes and products associated with that. Note that in the olden days where the supply chain is not long, what you have may all be sourced locally, the pipes are made from steel that was produced locally, the food for the oil workers are all local. Nothing fanciful from the other side of the world.

    Demand wise, we have multiple grades of gasoline, etc.

    As you can see, the overhead and the demand for more types of refined products just add to the EROEI. EROEI demands for our present society is very different from the EROEI demands of the society in 1900s.

    An EROEI of 20:1 may be sufficient for the society in 1900s because the expectation of a good life is low. In our present day society where everyone wants to live like a king with big SUVS, internal plumbing, computers, jetset life, the EROEI to main this society is probably 100:1

    So, we have a convergence for high energy demand and degrading EROEI.

    It will not end well and there will not be any pockets of developed nations surrounded by failed periphery nations. If that were to happen, then probably, only for short while.

    • I agree with you that the EROEI to maintain society is constantly increasing.

      EROEI theory is basically a model. A model always has limitations. The more people, and the more energy that is required for other applications such as desalinating sea water, irrigating land and building deeper copper mines, the less that can be used in energy processing. Thus, if 20:1 EROEI for fuels at the point of extraction is required at one point, 40:1 might be required at a later point.

      Also, it is really a “delivered to endpoint” EROEI that is needed, in the form the user needs it. This depends on a lot of things. Electricity EROEI really needs to have the entire transmission system included, and probably the need to keep brush fires down, as well. It needs the batteries or whatever other method is used to store intermittent electricity.

      Natural gas, delivered around the world as LNG, is almost certainly an energy sink, when all of the infrastructure required is considered, and all of the fuel used is considered for the long-distance transport.

      With these issues in mind, it is hard to see any parts of the world economy continuing at a very high level, for very long.

      EROEI really has to be calculated on a “calendar year output versus calendar year input” basis, however. Anything that is currently built, and needs little spare parts and other upkeep, could, in theory, continue for a while longer. This is why Prof. Charles Hall (father of the EROEI theory of energy) retired to a place near a hydroelectric dam in Wyoming, I expect. This dam provides electricity, but not food.

      It would seem like places that continue would need to have built infrastructure that they can depend upon for a while longer. For example, most of the “front end” work on oil sands in Canada is done when the extraction begins so, in theory, it could continue a while longer.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Subsidizing ‘renewable energy’ projects to give the pretence of a viable future (to keep the MOREONS from despairing) is sucking a hunk if the energy return as well… but it is energy well-wasted.. otherwise….

  29. Yoshua says:

    Paying for Russian energy in roubles would violate EU sanctions regime

    Some banks have failed to pay for Russian energy

    • This doesn’t sound good. Europe is desperate for Russian natural gas, but doesn’t seem to be willing to pay for it, except for Hungary.

      • theblondbeast says:

        I’m curious when Europe needs to begin filling reservoirs in preparation for winter heating? I understand some of the pipeline gas meets current demand contemporaneously, but storage caverns are needed for increased seasonal demand.

        It appears the EU has some new scheme requiring storage by Nov 1st – but where will it come from? Using LNG to first compress, then ship, then decompress for storage in a low pressure reservoir seems insane. They also note removing tarriffs for storage – but where will this tax revenue be replaced?

        Finally – the strategy of summer storage was possible because of seasonal pricing. But now this seasonal pricing trend is broken and gas will still be expensive this summer, even if prices make a drop relative to current.

        Seems like a disaster coming.

        • I wonder whether the US will be short of natural gas to fill our caverns for winter this year, because we are trying to send so much to Europe. Looking at the current price and level of fill we are headed in this direction.

  30. Fast Eddy says:

    Oh come on norm — when you saw that the endorphins surged… and you read every single comment (even though none were of any value… right)…

    I have to say there are quite a few OFW contributors who I am happy to see have posted loads of comments overnight … but then there are quite a few who add nothing …

  31. MG says:

    Who is the leader of the world?

    The Bible says: “Matthew 20:16
    King James Version
    16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.”

    The leader in the decadence, not the leader in matters of nation, family, prosperity etc.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Jesus uses the saying that ‘the last shall be first’ in different ways. Generally he is talking about the poor, despised and low in status receiving consolations, and the rich, powerful and respected being damned. See the sermon on the mount (Matthew 5-7).

      The only way to understand the religion of Jesus is to read him for yourself, and to totally forget what the churches have told you. He is pretty plain. The churches have got nothing whatsoever to do with the religion of Jesus. You will never understand Christianity if you do not realise that and stop reading Jesus through the lens of the doctrines of the churches. (I am not saying that they are ‘wrong’ about everything but that they are a different kettle of fish.)

      The meaning of ‘last/ first’ is different in Matt. 20. In that parable of ‘the kingdom of heaven’, the labourers all receive a penny regardless of the hours put in. The obvious meaning is that there is no disparity of reward in heaven.

      > 9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
      10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.

      Of course that is entirely contrary to the RCC/ Orthodox doctrine that a greater reward in heaven can be merited through greater works. Jesus is taking an egalitarian stance on rewards. All of his workers receive the same reward.

      His general doctrine is ‘salvation through faith’. ‘All who believe will be saved.’ There is a big split in ‘christendom’ over that. The obvious ‘solution’ to faith/ works is that all believers receive an equal reward and that Jesus is not expecting perfection.

      Whether that is a sufficient basis for society is another matter. Believers commit murder and all sorts. But Jesus thought that the end of the world was imminent (the 11th hour), ‘this generation shall not pass before I return’.

      So, he was not intending to set up a religion that would still be followed 2000 years later. He was talking about a final push, an exit strategy from the world in the final times. It is an apocalyptic religion.

      You will not understand the religion of Jesus if you think that it is ‘true’ and that he intended his religion to still be going for any length of time. That is not what the religion of Jesus is. Ironically those who do not ‘believe’ are in a better position to understand it now.

      Jesus is a very interesting character, and a lot of the Bible is interesting, as are the various religions. They can have value without being literally true. Arguably religions are a more primitive form of philosophy.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        So, Jesus was totally against inequality on earth, which he considered to be damnable – and he was not about to set up a system of inequality in heaven, of unequal rewards. He was not preaching ‘justice’ in any bourgeois sense of wage-labour.

        In his view, all governments were about to be damned in the apocalypse, and an entirely different order of being, the ‘kingdom of heaven’ was imminent, in which the principles of this world do not apply, and everything is provided to humans by God (see ‘the lilies of the field’ (Luke 12), and the ‘new heaven and earth’ (Revelations 21).)

        ‘Christianity’ became the state religion of the Roman Empire, and the RCC adopted the neoplatonic ‘great chain of being’ that thoroughly justified inequality. It was the complete opposite of the religion of Jesus.

        Historical ‘Christianity’ functioned as a part of the feudal ideological superstructure, and it ‘worked’ to help societies to function in their energetic and material conditions, which is all good – but it was not the religion of Jesus.

        ‘Protestant’ national state churches took over in the bourgeois era, and that is sort of where we are today. The churches seem to be less certain these days about ‘what it is all about’. Most of them have gone totally ‘liberal’, which is the latest state dogma. Again, the religion is helping societies to function according to their conditions.

        Obviously I am not saying that the churches ‘should’ have been ‘true’ to the original, apocalyptic religion of Jesus. That would not have been much use to the historical societies. The apocalypse never happened. Religions have to be flexible if they are going to be useful to society in its changeable conditions.

        It is all good – I am not ‘damning’ anyone.

        • Harry McGibbs says:

          “In his view, all governments were about to be damned in the apocalypse, and an entirely different order of being, the ‘kingdom of heaven’ was imminent…”

          It is possible that the kingdom of God he refers to is the transcendent dimension that is in all of us, that is more truly us than the physical body or egoic self, that is not bound by time, and that can be accessed through meditative practices or bestowed through grace.

          “Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

          Luke 17:20-21

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            A. It hinges on the meaning of the Greek ‘ἐντὸς’. In the context it seems to mean ‘among’, which is how it is usually translated, rather than ‘within’. ‘In the midst of you’, or physically ‘among you’, those who were standing there, then.

            The context makes clear that Jesus was talking about himself as the mechanism of the coming of the kingdom through his sacrifice on the cross and his second coming in the apocalypse to establish the kingdom. That is clear from the rest of the chapter, and from the rest of the NT. The word in question does not exist in isolation.

            Luke 17
            > 24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
            25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
            30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
            34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

            The religion of Jesus in the NT is not that difficult to understand, and he explains it over and over. He talks about the ‘coming of the kingdom’ a lot.

            That ‘misreading’ was pivotal in Tolstoy’s book of the same title, and in the Da Vinci Code movie (a very good movie that you likely saw on TV.)

            B. That is assuming that the canonical NT is an accurate telling of the religion of Jesus. Some talk about the Gnostic Gospels, which I honestly do not know much about. They are online, and one could read them in a day. Theoretically, none of the accounts of Jesus might be accurate.

            It is not my intention to rule on those matters. I am simply talking about the NT as it has come down to us. I am obviously not saying that people have to believe it to be an accurate account.

            Nevertheless, I doubt that the Gnostic Gospels contradict the egalitarianism of Jesus and his condemnation of the way of the world in the NT, which brings us back to the original point about ‘the first and the last’. So, it does not really matter to the original point.

            Perhaps by this time next year I will survey what the Gnostic Gospels say about the kingdom, if I get around to it.

          • Xabier says:

            ‘Verily, I, Allah, am closer to you than the vein in your neck’……

            • Harry McGibbs says:

              Beautiful. I wonder if the “narrow gate” Jesus talked about also pointed to that.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              The jugular?

              It would certainly be a _different_ interpretation.

              Do you self-identify as a Christian, or you just like the ‘poetry of it’?

            • Harry McGibbs says:

              Me? No. Raised Catholic but lapsed. Have found Buddhist and Advaita teachings helpful plus modern era teachers like Eckhart Tolle, Ramana Maharishi, Nisargadatta and John Butler:


        • Does the Orthodox Church differ from RCC in this respect? – any impetus for more egalitarian societal structures in Orthodox countries?

      • I don’t know about in Europe, but in the United States you can find a great deal of diversity among denominations in how texts are interpreted. There are some “literally true” denominations, but there are quite a few that believe that the material given in the Bible is something to be learned from.

        The idea of Hell may have migrated to the Bible from other religions; it is only mentioned a few times in the New Testament and not at all in the Old Testament. I rarely hear hell or damnation mentioned in the church I attend, except for example, when the Creed is recited.

        The Old Testament tends to be a collection of oral history and and miscellaneous stories of other sorts (the creation stories and Job, for example) that were passed down through the generations, and eventually written down.

        Lutherans in general do not believe in works being helpful in getting to heaven. If hell isn’t really an issue, then the whole issue of “getting into heaven” mostly disappears. Pretty much everyone is expected to be “saved.” This, of course, is quite a “liberal” view. None of us really knows about the afterlife.

        To a significant extent, religion becomes instruction on how to get along with others, here on earth. Sharing with others becomes important, for example. Not worrying excessively about tomorrow. Religion gives the hope that at some point in the future, the big differences in wealth will be evened out and everyone will have what they need.

        • Dennis L. says:

          As I understand the Old Testament it was in large part a basis of the law; I have heard Jewish scholars mention Christianity is a religion with out law.

          Personally, having had a “close call,” my first and most personal concern was going up or down. Rightly or not, I reasoned I had the points, not by much but sufficient. There is some comfort in that and now have become very careful not to lose points.

          Don’t know most of the Christian teachings other than obvious, but my ministers definitely believed in hell, even threw in a bit of brimstone for good measure.

          “Not worrying excessively about tomorrow.” I strongly believe one should put aside something for tomorrow and that tomorrow includes the children of today. Student debt is an abomination and spends not only all of today’s wealth, but tomorrow’s as well.

          Dennis L.

          • Xabier says:

            Dennis, I recommend regularly viewing of the preacher scene from the film ‘Cold Comfort Farm’ to keep you in bonus points.

            It certainly keeps me on the straight and narrow: well, with a few minor deviations…..

    • Genomir says:

      Really? Are we out of non-religious factoids now.
      The geopolitical ones were at least bit funny

  32. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Commodity Chaos Is Threatening The Global Economy.

    “Inventories across energy, agricultural and metals are critically low everywhere,” Tracey Allen, commodities strategist at JPMorgan Chase & Co, told Ryan Dezember of The Wall Street Journal. JPMorgan sees commodity prices staying elevated through the end of next year.

    “The supply of commodities could head even lower if the Russian war in Ukraine disrupts more materially exports of energy products out of Russia and/or wheat and corn exports out of Ukraine…”

  33. Harry McGibbs says:

    “China’s Key Coal-Hauling Rail Line Has Collision Between Trains.

    “Two cargo trains collided Thursday on a railway that connects China’s top coal producing regions and its key distribution port, potentially hindering transportation of the fuel at a time when coastal provinces are struggling with low supplies… The 653 kilometer-long (406 miles) rail line, known as Daqin, is China’s busiest freight route.”

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Truckers Caught in Covid Controls Snarl China Supply Chains.

      “China’s network of delivering everything from electronic parts to raw materials to the nation’s factories has ground to a halt as Covid-19 restrictions leave hundreds of thousands of truck drivers caught in a web of quarantine controls.”

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Controlled demolition

      • Xabier says:

        Really, this is fascinating.

        World industrial production in so many sectors largely centred in China, and now they are taking a sledge-hammer to it themselves!

        Is it indirect economic warfare against the West, and above all the now pathetic US?

        • Harry McGibbs says:

          It is crazy self-sabotage, like the EU pretending to itself it can do without Russian ff’s. It risks fomenting internal unrest and dissent, which the CCP fears even more than an economic slowdown.

          My own guess is that the apparent success of China’s previous lockdowns and the international accolades the policy won the CCP have simply made it too embarrassing to overtly change tack now. Could be wrong.

          “A top Huawei executive has broken ranks to warn that China’s stringent zero-Covid policy may trigger “massive losses” for the tech industry, putting the country’s economy as well as the global supply chain at greater risk.”

          • Xabier says:

            Reminds me (slightly) of the story about the sentry stationed for two centuries outside an apparently random spot near a palace in Russia, guarding nothing.

            Originally, the sentry had stood watch over a Tsar who used to rest at that spot on a bench every day when going on a walk, and usually nodded off – assassination was a great fear.

            The Tsar eventually died. But an Imperial order could not be rescinded except by a Tsar, and no later Tsar even knew about the sentry, and so never rescinded the order.

            What worked once is needed forever, and who dare contradict a superior even when dead?!

            The more I read about China, the more mystified I feel.

            Totalitarian systems, however, can pursue the most self-destructive policies with thorough persistence, often as an end in themselves, and that irrationality may be what we are seeing.

            • Harry McGibbs says:

              And I imagine the sentry was probably not unhappy to continue receiving his pay-cheques for the low risk, if dull, duty of guarding a random corner of park. 😆

      • This is bizarre!

        • Tim Groves says:

          It’s almost like the world is committing collective economic suicide. It makes me wonder whether FE’s CEP is now in the works. It’s certainly a possible explanation.

          But another is that all this locking down is to hide the fact that affordable fuel is in chronically short supply.

          Or how about, national debts have grown as much as they can and the economic contraction in response to the action to deal with COVID-19 has had the effect of making the debts unserviceable, so lockdowns are being used to cover up this embarrassing state of affairs?

          • Fast Eddy says:

            They might just be throttling down to keep BAU alive for as long as possible… then let Face Ripping happen…

            But that means they are likely to be scapegoated and skinned alive …

            If I were them I’d exterminate the lot

    • Another big problem. The system needs quite a bit of redundant built in.

  34. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Produce Worth Millions Gets Stuck in Blockade by Mexico Truckers.

    “Grocery stores in some parts of the U.S. are expected to start running out of certain perishable goods as soon as this weekend because of a Mexican truckers’ blockade that has stranded millions of dollars worth of fresh produce.”

  35. Student says:

    On Italian media journalists are talking now about a deal with Egypt to receive new amounts of gas to Italy.
    I kindly ask Gail if it is ever possible that Egypt has additional gas for us, because I had the impression that it was actually Israel giving gas to us through Egypt.
    As it seems to be indicated here:
    But maybe I’m wrong.
    If possible I would like to understand better.
    Many thanks

  36. Fast Eddy says:

    Cases of painful genital ulcers have been diagnosed in adolescent girls after receiving a second dose of the Pfizer messenger RNA (mRNA) shot, according to the April edition of the Journal of Pediatric & Adolescent Gynecology.

    Doctors of these cases say that it is “important to identify and explain possible adverse effects to help dispel the hesitancy some patients might feel about receiving a novel vaccine.”

    “Under No Circumstances” Should a COVID-Recovered Person Take a Shot – Dr. Peter McCullough

    “If we actually [jab] someone who’s already had COVID, multiple studies show that we cause harm. That’s probably where all this myocarditis is coming from — all these blood clots and all these problems.”

    @VigilantFox | Rumble ( | Full Video (

    Obama Called Out: Being Thankful for an Injection That Didn’t Work Is “Absurd”

    Dr. McCullough: “Former President Obama — triple vaxxed — he gets COVID. What does he say? He says, ‘Good reminder to take a vax.’ No, that’s absurd! The vax is supposed to stop COVID; it’s not a good reminder.”

    @VigilantFox | Rumble (

    • Xabier says:

      I know vaxxed friends with mouth ulcers developing soon after injection – perhaps, though, this is a line of thought one shouldn’t pursue…..

  37. Fast Eddy says:

    One has to keep in mind that despite the official govt data from many countries that demonstrate the injections are worse than useless — MOREONS have not seen that or if they have they reject it…

    Then there the epic injuries and deaths caused by the injections – see mike for the level of denial they are experiencing (they get angry if you suggest the injections cause injuries hahahaha)

    So if you think that they will not inject their kids… think again

    • Xabier says:

      As I’m actually able to cite the professional opinion of my friend the Cambridge Professor of Medicine (and immunology specialist) against the vaxxes, people don’t argue with me – they can’t reasonably do so – but I can see in their eyes that they struggle to come to terms with the sheer extent and malice of the fraud, and the lies implicit in repeated assurances from the MHRA, JCVI, etc, regarding safety.

      This is in some ways comparable to an ardent believer in the Soviet system finding out in the 1950’s, after his death and denunciation by Kruschev, that Stalin was the bad guy after all and gladly signed all the death warrants.

      • Kim says:

        And as for the everyday American patriots, they spent much of the 1940s allied with Stalin, satisfying his every geostrategic whim, and allowing the installation of Mao.

        It is perhaps something that on second thoughts embarrassed them too.

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    Hmmmm….. testing this site

    12ft has been disabled for this site

    Do they get paid to disable for some sites?

  39. Fast Eddy says:

    Measure Twice: Sizing Europe’s Natural Gas Crisis

    “It’s clearly a budget. It’s got a lot of numbers in it.” – George W. Bush

    Numbers can be confusing, but numbers without proper context can be downright befuddling. In measuring anything, the unit of measurement is as important as the number itself – units are meant to anchor the mind to a useful reference point. As a measure of time, for example, “score” doesn’t mean much until one performs the mental trick of converting scores into years (there are 20 years in a score), and only then does Abraham Lincoln’s famous phrase “four score and seven years ago” make sense.

  40. Fast Eddy says:

    Walgreens COVID-19 Index; new data and it mirrors the UK data; one week data; but shows what we have been arguing, those vaccinated and by increased dose, are at increased risk of infection

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