Why financial approaches won’t fix the world’s economic problems this time

Time and time again, financial approaches have worked to fix economic problems. Raising interest rates has acted to slow the economy and lowering them has acted to speed up the economy. Governments overspending their incomes also acts to push the economy ahead; doing the reverse seems to slow economies down.

What could possibly go wrong? The issue is a physics problem. The economy doesn’t run simply on money and debt. It operates on resources of many kinds, including energy-related resources. As the population grows, the need for energy-related resources grows. The bottleneck that occurs is something that is hard to see in advance; it is an affordability bottleneck.

For a very long time, financial manipulations have been able to adjust affordability in a way that is optimal for most players. At some point, resources, especially energy resources, get stretched too thin, relative to the rising population and all the commitments that have been made, such as pension commitments. As a result, there is no way for the quantity of goods and services produced to grow sufficiently to match the promises that the financial system has made. This is the real bottleneck that the world economy reaches.

I believe that we are closely approaching this bottleneck today. I recently gave a talk to a group of European officials at the 2nd Luxembourg Strategy Conference, discussing the issue from the European point of view. Europeans seem to be especially vulnerable because Europe, with its early entry into the Industrial Revolution, substantially depleted its fossil fuel resources many years ago. The topic I was asked to discuss was, “Energy: The interconnection of energy limits and the economy and what this means for the future.”

In this post, I write about this presentation.

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The major issue is that money, by itself, cannot operate the economy, because we cannot eat money. Any model of the economy must include energy and other resources. In a finite world, these resources tend to deplete. Also, human population tends to grow. At some point, not enough goods and services are produced for the growing population.

I believe that the major reason we have not been told about how the economy really works is because it would simply be too disturbing to understand the real situation. If today’s economy is dependent on finite fossil fuel supplies, it becomes clear that, at some point, these will run short. Then the world economy is likely to face a very difficult time.

A secondary reason for the confusion about how the economy operates is too much specialization by researchers studying the issue. Physicists (who are concerned about energy) don’t study economics; politicians and economists don’t study physics. As a result, neither group has a very broad understanding of the situation.

I am an actuary. I come from a different perspective: Will physical resources be adequate to meet financial promises being made? I have had the privilege of learning a little from both economic and physics sides of the discussion. I have also learned about the issue from a historical perspective.

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World energy consumption has been growing very rapidly at the same time that the world economy has been growing. This makes it hard to tell whether the growing energy supply enabled the economic growth, or whether the higher demand created by the growing economy encouraged the world economy to use more resources, including energy resources.

Physics says that it is energy resources that enable economic growth.

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The R-squared of GDP as a function of energy is .98, relative to the equation shown.

Slide 7

Physicists talk about the “dissipation” of energy. In this process, the ability of an energy product to do “useful work” is depleted. For example, food is an energy product. When food is digested, its ability to do useful work (provide energy for our body) is used up. Cooking food, whether using a campfire or electricity or by burning natural gas, is another way of dissipating energy.

Humans are clearly part of the economy. Every type of work that is done depends upon energy dissipation. If energy supplies deplete, the form of the economy must change to match.

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There are a huge number of systems that seem to grow by themselves using a process called self-organization. I have listed a few of these on Slide 8. Some of these things are alive; most are not. They are all called “dissipative structures.”

The key input that allows these systems to stay in a “non-dead” state is dissipation of energy of the appropriate type. For example, we know that humans need about 2,000 calories a day to continue to function properly. The mix of food must be approximately correct, too. Humans probably could not live on a diet of lettuce alone, for example.

Economies have their own need for energy supplies of the proper kind, or they don’t function properly. For example, today’s agricultural equipment, as well as today’s long-distance trucks, operate on diesel fuel. Without enough diesel fuel, it becomes impossible to plant and harvest crops and bring them to market. A transition to an all-electric system would take many, many years, if it could be done at all.

Slide 9

I think of an economy as being like a child’s building toy. Gradually, new participants are added, both in the form of new citizens and new businesses. Businesses are formed in response to expected changes in the markets. Governments gradually add new laws and new taxes. Supply and demand seem to set market prices. When the system seems to be operating poorly, regulators step in, typically adjusting interest rates and the availability of debt.

One key to keeping the economy working well is the fact that those who are “consumers” closely overlap those who are “employees.” The consumers (= employees) need to be paid well enough, or they cannot purchase the goods and services made by the economy.

A less obvious key to keeping the economy working well is that the whole system needs to be growing. This is necessary so that there are enough goods and services available for the growing population. A growing economy is also needed so that debt can be repaid with interest, and so that pension obligations can be paid as promised.

Slide 10

World population has been growing year after year, but arable land stays close to constant. To provide enough food for this rising population, more intensive agriculture is required, often including irrigation, fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides.

Furthermore, an increasing amount of fresh water is needed, leading to a need for deeper wells and, in some places, desalination to supplement other water sources. All these additional efforts add energy usage, as well as costs.

In addition, mineral ores and energy supplies of all kinds tend to become depleted because the best resources are accessed first. This leaves the more expensive-to-extract resources for later.

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The issues in Slide 11 are a continuation of the issues described on Slide 10. The result is that the cost of energy production eventually rises so much that its higher costs spill over into the cost of all other goods and services. Workers find that their paychecks are not high enough to cover the items they usually purchased in the past. Some poor people cannot even afford food and fresh water.

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Increasing debt is helpful as an economy grows. A farmer can borrow money for seed to grow a crop, and he can repay the debt, once the crop has grown. Or an entrepreneur can finance a factory using debt.

On the consumer side, debt at a sufficiently low interest rate can be used to make the purchase of a home or vehicle affordable.

Central banks and others involved in the financial world figured out many years ago that if they manipulate interest rates and the availability of credit, they are generally able to get the economy to grow as fast as they would like.

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It is hard for most people to imagine how much interest rates have varied over the last century. Back during the Great Depression of the 1930s and the early 1940s, interest rates were very close to zero. As large amounts of inexpensive energy were added to the economy in the post-World War II period, the world economy raced ahead. It was possible to hold back growth by raising interest rates.

Oil supply was constrained in the 1970s, but demand and prices kept rising. US Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volker is known for raising interest rates to unheard of heights (over 15%) with a peak in 1981 to end inflation brought on by high oil prices. This high inflation rate brought on a huge recession from which the economy eventually recovered, as the higher prices brought more oil supply online (Alaska, North Sea, and Mexico), and as substitution was made for some oil use. For example, home heating was moved away from burning oil; electricity-production was mostly moved from oil to nuclear, coal and natural gas.

Another thing that has helped the economy since 1981 has been the ability to stimulate demand by lowering interest rates, making monthly payments more affordable. In 2008, the US added Quantitative Easing as a way of further holding interest rates down. A huge debt bubble has thus been built up since 1981, as the world economy has increasingly been operated with an increasing amount of debt at ever-lower interest rates. (See 3-month and 10 year interest rates shown on Slide 14.) This cheap debt has allowed rapidly rising asset prices.

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The world economy starts hitting major obstacles when energy supply stops growing faster than population because the supply of finished goods and services (such as new automobile, new homes, paved roads, and airplane trips for passengers) produced stops growing as rapidly as population. These obstacles take the form of affordability obstacles. The physics of the situation somehow causes the wages and wealth to be increasingly concentrated among the top 10% or 1%. Lower-paid individuals are increasingly left out. While goods are still produced, ever-fewer workers can afford more than basic necessities. Such a situation makes for unhappy workers.

World energy consumption per capita hit a peak in 2018 and began to slide in 2019, with an even bigger drop in 2020. With less energy consumption, world automobile sales began to slide in 2019 and fell even lower in 2020. Protests, often indirectly related to inadequate wages or benefits, became an increasing problem in 2019. The year 2020 is known for Covid-19 related shutdowns and flight cancellations, but the indirect effect was to reduce energy consumption by less travel and by broken supply lines leading to unavailable goods. Prices of fossil fuels dropped far too low for producers.

Governments tried to get their own economies growing by various techniques, including spending more than the tax revenue they took in, leading to a need for more government debt, and by Quantitative Easing, acting to hold down interest rates. The result was a big increase in the money supply in many countries. This increased money supply was often distributed to individual citizens as subsidies of various kinds.

The higher demand caused by this additional money tended to cause inflation. It tended to raise fossil fuel prices because the inexpensive-to-extract fuels have mostly been extracted. In the days of Paul Volker, more energy supply at a little higher price was available within a few years. This seems extremely unlikely today because of diminishing returns. The problem is that there is little new oil supply available unless prices can stay above at least $120 per barrel on a consistent basis, and prices this high, or higher, do not seem to be available.

Oil prices are not rising this high, even with all of the stimulus funds because of the physics-based wage disparity problem mentioned previously. Also, those with political power try to keep fuel prices down so that the standards of living of citizens will not fall. Because of these low oil prices, OPEC+ continues to make cuts in production. The existence of chronically low prices for fossil fuels is likely the reason why Russia behaves in as belligerent a manner as it does today.

Today, with rising interest rates and Quantitative Tightening instead of Quantitative Easing, a major concern is that the debt bubble that has grown since in 1981 will start to collapse. With falling debt levels, prices of assets, such as homes, farms, and shares of stock, can be expected to fall. Many borrowers will be unable to repay their loans.

If this combination of events occurs, deflation is a likely outcome because banks and pension funds are likely to fail. If, somehow, local governments are able to bail out banks and pension funds, then there is a substantial likelihood of local hyperinflation. In such a case, people will have huge quantities of money, but practically nothing available to buy. In either case, the world economy will shrink because of inadequate energy supply.

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Slide 17

Most people have a “normalcy bias.” They assume that if economic growth has continued for a long time in the past, it necessarily will occur in the future. Yet, we all know that all dissipative structures somehow come to an end. Humans can come to an end in many ways: They can get hit by a car; they can catch an illness and succumb to it; they can die of old age; they can starve to death.

History tells us that economies nearly always collapse, usually over a period of years. Sometimes, population rises so high that the food production margin becomes tight; it becomes difficult to set aside enough food if the cycle of weather should turn for the worse. Thus, population drops when crops fail.

In the years leading up to collapse, it is common that the wages of ordinary citizens fall too low for them to be able to afford an adequate diet. In such a situation, epidemics can spread easily and kill many citizens. With so much poverty, it becomes impossible for governments to collect enough taxes to maintain services they have promised. Sometimes, nations lose at war because they cannot afford a suitable army. Very often, governmental debt becomes non-repayable.

The world economy today seems to be approaching some of the same bottlenecks that more local economies hit in the past.

Slide 18

The basic problem is that with inadequate energy supplies, the total quantity of goods and services provided by the economy must shrink. Thus, on average, people must become poorer. Most individual citizens, as well as most governments, will not be happy about this situation.

The situation becomes very much like the game of musical chairs. In this game, one chair at a time is removed. The players walk around the chairs while music plays. When the music stops, all participants grab for a chair. Someone gets left out. In the case of energy supplies, the stronger countries will try to push aside the weaker competitors.

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Countries that understand the importance of adequate energy supplies recognize that Europe is relatively weak because of its dependence on imported fuel. However, Europe seems to be oblivious to its poor position, attempting to dictate to others how important it is to prevent climate change by eliminating fossil fuels. With this view, it can easily keep its high opinion of itself.

If we think about the musical chairs’ situation and not enough energy supplies to go around, everyone in the world (except Europe) would be better off if Europe were to be forced out of its high imports of fossil fuels. Russia could perhaps obtain higher energy export prices in Asia and the Far East. The whole situation becomes very strange. Europe tells itself it is cutting off imports to punish Russia. But, if Europe’s imports can remain very low, everyone else, from the US, to Russia, to China, to Japan would benefit.

Slide 20

The benefits of wind and solar energy are glorified in Europe, with people being led to believe that it would be easy to transition from fossil fuels, and perhaps leave nuclear, as well. The problem is that wind, solar, and even hydroelectric energy supply are very undependable. They cannot ever be ramped up to provide year-round heat. They are poorly adapted for agricultural use (except for sunshine helping crops grow).

Few people realize that the benefits that wind and solar provide are tiny. They cannot be depended on, so companies providing electricity need to maintain duplicate generating capacity. Wind and solar require far more transmission than fossil-fuel-generated electricity because the best sources are often far from population centers. When all costs are included (without subsidy), wind and solar electricity tend to be more expensive than fossil-fuel generated electricity. They are especially difficult to rely on in winter. Therefore, many people in Europe are concerned about possibly “freezing in the dark,” as soon as this winter.

There is no possibility of ever transitioning to a system that operates only on intermittent electricity with the population that Europe has today, or that the world has today. Wind turbines and solar panels are built and maintained using fossil fuel energy. Transmission lines cannot be maintained using intermittent electricity alone.

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Basically, Europe must use very much less fossil fuel energy, for the long term. Citizens cannot assume that the war with Ukraine will soon be over, and everything will be back to the way it was several years ago. It is much more likely that the freeze-in-the-dark problem will be present every winter, from now on. In fact, European citizens might actually be happier if the climate would warm up a bit.

With this as background, there is a need to figure out how to use less energy without hurting lifestyles too badly. To some extent, changes from the Covid-19 shutdowns can be used, since these indirectly were ways of saving energy. Furthermore, if families can move in together, fewer buildings in total will need to be heated. Cooking can perhaps be done for larger groups at a time, saving on fuel.

If families can home-school their children, this saves both the energy for transportation to school and the energy for heating the school. If families can keep younger children at home, instead of sending them to daycare, this saves energy, as well.

A major issue that I do not point out directly in this presentation is the high energy cost of supporting the elderly in the lifestyles to which they have become accustomed. One issue is the huge amount and cost of healthcare. Another is the cost of separate residences. These costs can be reduced if the elderly can be persuaded to move in with family members, as was done in the past. Pension programs worldwide are running into financial difficulty now, with interest rates rising. Countries with large elderly populations are likely to be especially affected.

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Besides conserving energy, the other thing people in Europe can do is attempt to understand the dynamics of our current situation. We are in a different world now, with not enough energy of the right kinds to go around.

The dynamics in a world of energy shortages are like those of the musical chairs’ game. We can expect more fighting. We cannot expect that countries that have been on our side in the past will necessarily be on our side in the future. It is more like being in an undeclared war with many participants.

Under ideal circumstances, Europe would be on good terms with energy exporters, even Russia. I suppose at this late date, nothing can be done.

A major issue is that if Europe attempts to hold down fossil fuel prices, the indirect result will be to reduce supply. Oil, natural gas and coal producers will all reduce supply before they will accept a price that they consider too low. Given the dependence of the world economy on energy supplies, especially fossil fuel energy supplies, this will make the situation worse, rather than better.

Wind and solar are not replacements for fossil fuels. They are made with fossil fuels. We don’t have the ability to store up solar energy from summer to winter. Wind is also too undependable, and battery capacity too low, to compensate for need for storage from season to season. Thus, without a growing supply of fossil fuels, it is impossible for today’s economy to continue in its current form.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,503 Responses to Why financial approaches won’t fix the world’s economic problems this time

  1. Student says:


    Coincidentally a new study done in Europe and Israel (in collaboration with Astra Zeneca) has recently found that an incredible number of people suffer from kidney disease, and many of them are still unaware of it.
    Coincidentally because kidney problems is one of the most frequent adverse event from Covid-19 vaccines.
    The study talks also about the incredible cost that health systems will suffer in the future due to this disease.
    And this consideration is also coincidentally what many scientists has said about future problems created by the mass use of these new experimental vaccines…


  2. Fast Eddy says:

    Excess deaths surge in high vax countries — multiple articles


  3. Xabier says:

    I saw a young Asian parking his Tesla yesterday. Probably a Tech worker. (What a boring-looking car, esp in white!)

    Inspired by our very own Kulm, I shook my fist as I passed him on my rusty bicycle, muttering:

    ‘You’re worthless! You couldn’t have invented that yourself in thousands of years! And you’ve stopped us reaching the Singularity!’

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    “VIRUSES DO NOT EXIST” was a Psyop – and a Nice Try!
    Set your coffee aside right now! You will be laughing

    Remember how very many substacks were beset with numerous comments claiming that VIRUSES DO NOT EXIST?

    A lot of substackers, myself included, responded to these claims. I even started a DEBATE that received 1,663 replies and was very lively.

    Psyop From BoosterShots Substack

    About a week ago, I searched duckduckgo for my name just to see what was up and saw something weird that attracted my attention. It was a substack site boostershots.substack.com (archive link).

    It turns out that Boostershots was the coordinating site of the psyop and instructed people how to post on forums promoting the no-virus theory. The author(s) even bragged about getting people worked up about it, about my debate, Steve Kirsch etc.


    • D. Stevens says:

      Good way to muddy the waters and make anyone skeptical of what’s going on look foolish.

  5. Fast Eddy says:

    BA.1 has surged & combined at about 35% & BA.5 decreasing, now at 39%; likely in next 2 weeks or so BA.1 will surpass BA.5 as the dominant, yet BA.5 bivalent booster was developed! Again Pfizer failed

    So much for BA.5 bivalent booster with the extinct Wuhan spike, so much for that failure; AGAIN, it’s the vaccine stupid, NOT the virus! stop the sub-optimal vaccine if you want the variants to stop!


    They obviously have no intention of stopping – the Pro Vaxxers would go mad.

  6. Fast Eddy says:

    tomorrow I will buy a live chicken and toss it in the water and Film the Mayhem… I don’t imagine the sharks have seen a chicken before — will they ignore it or rip it to pieces?

    Fawchee would be so proud.


  7. Fast Eddy says:

    Neither vaccine nor virus has made it into the latest explanations for the rise in heart and stroke deaths. The British Heart Foundation has released analysis laying the blame squarely on the reduced access to healthcare during the pandemic and the consequent backlogs and delays in the system. This is from BBC News:


  8. Fast Eddy says:

    The Shot Clot Heard Round the World

    Sanders’ storied life came took a tragic turn when he did what he had aggressively pushed others to do—that is, “get vaccinated.” In 2021 Sanders made the case for everyone to get vaccinated because he wanted “to preserve life.” Additionally, he thought the vaccines would give his team an edge: “I want a chance to dominate.” He criticized Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers for declining the vaccine because of known allergies. “The Jackson State Tigers’ coach said as the leader of the team, Rodgers should have gotten vaccinated.”

    He did not appreciate what Rodgers understood: that no vaccine is safe in everyone. Sanders’s enthusiasm was grounded in hope but not in science. No randomized trial has ever demonstrated reductions in hospitalizations and deaths as a primary or secondary outcome. Because it was early in 2021, Sanders could not have known that the vaccines incapacitate ~25 percent of recipients for a few days and send 7 to 8 percent to the hospital acutely sick as shown in 2022 from the CDC V-safe data forced into public view by legal action.

    Vaccinated players are not “dominating,” rather the vaccine takes down even our strongest athletes and coaches. It is a fair conclusion that Sanders was multiply vaccinated by the time he developed arterial blood clots in the large arteries in his upper legs, which then shot to his toes—requiring several amputations. Sanders later revealed the ordeal almost cost him his leg. In 2022, he made a docuseries on his eight surgeries within three weeks and his personal struggle to be on the field coaching.

    I infer from a press statement that he has an inherited tendency towards blood clotting: https://rescue.substack.com/p/nothing-stopped-neon-deion-sanders

    • Rodster says:

      It sucks to be him because UK funeral director John O’Looney was sounding the alarm a couple years ago. He broke the story how he was finding blood clots in cadavers. He then went to several autopsies and found long blood clots. Each of those who had blood clots were all vaccinated.

      • Xabier says:

        How many are walking about with partly bunged-up legs?

        When they stick the corpse onto the machine, the embalming fluid can’t be pumped in until the super-clots are extracted.


    • Rodster says:

      A two month old who received a Covid vaccination went into cardiac arrest shortly after. We can’t blame the infant. Instead it was the idiot parents who gave their permission for something that has a near zero kill rate for someone that age.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Sanders has well and truly Kentucky fried himself.

  9. Fast Eddy says:

    Excellent! https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-07/china-s-covid-cases-jump-to-six-month-high-as-outbreaks-flare?srnd=premium-asia

    I really hope this spreads to other countries and they lock down again — nothing better than watching the CovIDIOTS who think this is over squirm …

    More Boosters — Tally Ho!!!

  10. Michael Le Merchant says:

    “I’m Selling My Blood To Eat, I Have No Choice”: Biden Inflation Crushes Americans

    Gas, groceries, electricity, and rent — the price of everything has soared to four-decade highs under the Biden administration. Household finances are under severe pressure as wage growth fails to outpace inflation for 18 months, leading many folks to find a second job. Even holding two jobs isn’t enough to sustain the cost-of-living crisis, as some are finding the nearest plasma clinic to donate blood to earn extra cash.

    Cashe Lewis, 31, of Denver, Colorado, works multiple jobs and is trying to find a third job due to rising shelter inflation. She told The Guardian she works six days a week, sometimes more than 16 hours per day, just to pay the bills.

    “I’m exhausted all the time … on the one day I have off a week, I donate plasma for extra money. I’m literally selling my blood to eat because I have no choice,” Lewis said.

    She said many of her “friends and family work multiple jobs” as inflation makes “nothing affordable and the roadblocks set up to keep people in the cycle of poverty benefit the most wealthy members of our society.”

    Lewis said: “We aren’t living, we’re barely surviving, and we have no choice but to keep doing it.”

    More Americans than ever are working multiple jobs as inflation wipes out real wage growth.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      And when it gets really bad he can peddle his body out back the Gay Dumpster.

    • D. Stevens says:

      I have co-workers like this and they usually stretched for their home and car loans, have children, and everything was working week to week until costs started going up or an unexpected expense comes their way. They have no buffer and anticipate raises and smooth sailing. They are always very optimistic people and think things will just work out because they always have. I’m a pessimistic person and always preparing for a rainy day. I don’t care what things costs as long as they’re still available for purchase within reason then I’m good. Hope the BAU keeps going. When we start reading articles about how there’s nothing left to buy and the power is going out regularly then I’ll really get worried.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I’m the opposite… I live in fear of having nothing … must have something to do with growing up having nothing.

    • what you describe is a state of running faster and faster to stand still

      for 150 years or so we lived in a surplus energy economic system

      then around 1970 we (unknowingly) began the transfer into a deficit energy economic system.

      Over the last 50 years, that deficit has got bigger and bigger, in sync with our denial of it. (we masked it with debt)

      now we’ve exhausted our credit.

      meaning that some people have reached the penultimate stage, of having to sell their ‘life force’—ie blood, in order to sustain life itself.

      There are lots of ways to describe what’s happening, multiple jobs is perhaps the most common aspect, but it all boils down to the same thing: Life itself is becoming unaffordable

      • Return on human labor is now too low. This is the equivalent of a fish having to swim too far for food. This is where the EROEI concept came from, and the equivalent concept for other animals.

        With the return on human labor too low, there is too much wage disparity. Those at the lowest wage levels cannot afford an adequate diet.

        This is where we are now. This is what the EROEI folks should have been warning about as the likely result of too much population combined with stagnating resource extraction as the result of depletion. But they did not understand how the overall system worked.

  11. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Biggest spread I’ve see so far:

  12. Michael Le Merchant says:

    “Pfizer have declared they will be giving out a new vaccine called the PH111 to be given specifically to pregnant women, which will be immunising a newborn baby while still in the uterus”

  13. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Two days before the midterm elections, Joe Biden clearly states he is for “no more [oil] drilling.”

  14. banned says:

    I would just mention something to our Europe readers. Im somewhat poor. Ive often kept temperature low for financial reasons. Here in the USA some of us get by.Insulated coverall make the intermediate temperatures in between freezing and normal comfort temperature in a residence quite comfortable. No its not fun wearing them inside but its not a torture chamber either. If there are some south facing windows many residences will stay above freezing for some portion of the winter. If it goes below freezing you have to get some RV antifreeze in the pipes so they dont burst. A little bit of heat will usually keep the temperature above freezing. Any improvised combustion heating requires CO detectors. Plastic over the windows doubles the r value usually. Most of the heat loss in a somewhat modern building is through the windows. If you have newspaper for insulation maybe not. Yes I have seen houses with that here. and the old tube n ball wiring i think they called it. A pair of insulated coveralls for family members. When you can see your breath maybe time to add some heat. Surplus military sleeping bags. Water storage. Sawdust and five gallon buckets. A standard toilet lid/seat fits perfectly on a 5 gallon bucket. If males can pee outside it will make your sawdust last longer. If the gals are up for it them too. Pee really is not a hygiene risk its the poop. Get a outside compost rig together. A sheet of plywood cut into 2′ strips and a 4×4 cube two feet high works just fine. Some portable cooking facilities Dry rice and beans. salt. chiles. Youll be just fine! Good times! no Sarc. Europe has seen much worse.Most of the world lives in much much worse.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      You present a good case for Super Fent.

      End the Misery. With Super Fent

      • Xabier says:

        Yep, FE, I’d like some of those, for the very end.

        Do they go with a last bottle of good champagne, or would one throw up?

        That’s the vital question.

    • D. Stevens says:

      When the weather is somewhat cold but not freezing I often use a dehumidifier as a heater. When water condenses it released some heat energy and there’s the 300w waste heat from the device. I believe it’s about 150% efficient at generating heat. Better than resistive heating but not as good as a mini split heat pump. Combined with my 6 south west facing windows I can usually keep the house somewhat comfortable plus it cuts the risk of mold which can be a problem in poorly heated houses.

    • Xabier says:

      I am without a doubt the poorest person on OFW (asset ‘rich’ darlings – soon to go poof! – and little cash) and for the same reason as you I strictly economise on heat – and also because I cut it all and haul it home on my back.

      Obviously, winters can be truly ferocious in some parts of the US, and nothing like that occurs in most of the UK, here the enemy is chilly damp; but the key is to move from 20th c fossil fuel expectations of keeping a whole house warm, to making sure you have enough heat in the right places to stay above freezing and to keep alive.

      Enough heat to stay cheerful on early dark nights. No staying up until midnight, wasting fuel, etc. This is a much lower bar in terms of energy needs. A wool hat is essential.

      It’s also possible to acclimatise to cold rooms, over a period of time, by exposing bare flesh to the cold. The Ancient Celts and Germans, etc, did this to their children. Painful at first, but eventually one gets there.

      I can now go into the totally unheated, draughty, kitchen in the morning in only a shirt and hat without noticing the cold.

      One of my rules is no fire in daylight, unless my hands hurt with the cold. or so dark and wet that a fire is needed to avoid getting depressed by the gloom. Economy on most days makes bigger fires possible on others, or when guests come.

      Once one has got used to this, it’s excessive heat that makes one feel ill and suffocated.

      Lighting, again, minimal: ie 1/2 candle per evening.

      • Bobby says:

        It’s true the body can adapt, It sounds very stoic, making the most of unideal conditions accept where we get to the part where in very cold conditions the immune system stops working properly.

      • the best version of ‘A Christmas Carol’ Was made here a few years ago, in Shrewsbury, With George C Scott ,

        it sounds depressingly familiar.

  15. Fast Eddy says:

    Hey Gail – Naked Emperor responded to a post on this article that FE made asking if HE wanted to write a guest post article for the SS… FE is busy writing travel reviews for shite restaurants and trying to locate some Bolivian Blow to ramp up his courage to dive with the Tiger Shark tomorrow — would you like HIM to post your email address and let him know you are the guru on why the end of cheaper energy is the problem…. you have a number of articles that you have written that he could republish…


    I could copy and send one of them to him and claim I wrote it but then that would be stooping to the level of The Plagiarizer of OFW…. we all know who that is!! NOF

    • Xabier says:

      Poor ‘Naked Emperor’: he thinks he wants to know the truth, but he won’t like it one bit.

      The Truth is annihilating.

      The divine thunderbolt of Dark Enlightenment that shatters the naive mind into millions of tiny screaming shards…….

  16. Agamemnon says:

    Just think when AI spits out deep fakes by the millions.
    I suppose moon landing was real bc there would be no need for a failure speech.

  17. Azure Kingfisher says:

    From “Climate Clowns,” posted November 3, 2022 – malagabay.wordpress.com

    “The Central England Temperature (CET) record is a meteorological dataset originally published by Professor Gordon Manley in 1953 and subsequently extended and updated in 1974, following many decades of painstaking work. The monthly mean surface air temperatures, for the Midlands region of England, are given (in degrees Celsius) from the year 1659 to the present. This record represents the longest series of monthly temperature observations in existence. It is a valuable dataset for meteorologists and climate scientists. It is monthly from 1659, and a daily version has been produced from 1772. The monthly means from November 1722 onwards are given to a precision of 0.1 °C.

    “Luckily, it’s easy to convert their degrees Celsius data into degrees Kelvin for analysis.

    “The Kelvin climate data includes a remarkable sweet spot around 1800 where (in whole numbers) the Mean CET of 282 °K is aligned with 282 ppm of atmospheric CO2.

    “The Kelvin climate data shows no obvious relationship between temperatures and CO2.

    “But the Kelvin temperature data does display a modest long term trend of +1 °K per 345 years.

    “If this trend continues for the next 345 years it’s very unlikely anybody would notice the extra 1ºK because the CET mean temperature typically fluctuates (remarkably randomly) within a 4 °K range.”


  18. Slowly at first says:

    I was once shopping in a Walmart when there was a storm-related power outage. Numerous associates rushed toward the exits to barricade them. I was impressed by the civilised behaviour of the customers.

  19. Michael Le Merchant says:

    David Icke Responds To Being Banned From 26 European Countries…

    • reante says:

      Icke is a reaction in his own problem -reaction-solution formula. Well played.

      Several page Pdf download link to miles mathis’ piece on Icke. only available in pdf I believe:


    • I was not aware of Divid Icke, until you posted this. I wonder if in some ways it might not give a boost to what he is saying/writing. As they say, “Any publicity is good publicity.”

      • Cromagnon says:

        David Icke knows.

        The elites are terrified

        We are in a similacrum.

        We have to wake up!

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          when you wake up, please let us know.

          • banned says:

            Bit harsh David? I dig Cro the most!

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              quite harsh!

              I’m wide awake!

              others can self evaluate themselves!

              bAU tonight, baby!

              some dig it, some don’t.

            • Cromagnon says:

              Lol, thanks for the support!

              I remember laughing at David Icke 20 years ago.
              I am not laughing now ( or at least not at him).

              Once you see behind the curtain, your world is forever changed.

              I ain’t no David Icke, but I made certain people aware that I knew that impossible things were true a decade ago.

              The response was harsh to say the least. It confirmed for me I was correct. Underlings to the caretakers of hidden knowledge openly told me so to hammer it home.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Regular Tardian readers are well trained in believing six impossible things before breakfast. 🙂

        • Replenish says:

          I can believe Icke is being used to paint conspiracy as stark raving madness. Is he an agent or mentally ill from some kind of generational programming?

          My last name is an earlier spelling of one of the surnames listed in the video. My family genealogy includes the Zeller clan who held the Council of Zurich and fought the Medicis, one fellow held Zwingli’s sacred theology chair at University of Zurich and pastored at Grossmünster. Zeller clan married into Zwingli line and were descendants of earlier reformers.

          “Waking up” for me was realizing that I was being used to create chaos and breaking that cycle. We all have that option I think. Life is good today. Plenty of good work to be done without formal titles and media attention.

          Chris Thomas YT Channel has a map of “Save Zones.” No claims on “Effectiveness.” He talks about interior portions of Appalachian mountains, Upper Great Lakes along the N. American Craton including small portions of Arkansas/Oklahoma. Thomas likes the area to the East of Lake Ontario to the West of Lake Champlain for remoteness, access to water and he believes it will be cut off due to inundation from the Great Lakes/Saint Lawrence. My cabin is near Elmira, NY at several thousand feet elevation.

  20. Michael Le Merchant says:

    According to GasBuddy data, weekly (Sun-Sat) US gasoline demand fell 3.2% from the prior week and was 4.7% below the four week moving average to 8.33mbpd

    Weekly gasoline demand change by PADD:
    PADD 1 -0.7%
    PADD 2 -6.8%
    PADD 3 -2.1%
    PADD 4 -4.5%
    PADD 5 -3.2%

  21. Student says:

    (Le Soir)

    Coronavirus: a doctor summoned for having administered an “experimental” vaccine. A patient accuses her general practitioner of having inoculated her a dose of vaccine against the covid of which she complains of neurological side effects. The case is brought to court.

    (deepl.com translation)


  22. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Doctors Advised to Suggest Suicide to Patients as Canada Runs Out of Basic Painkillers

    The Canadian healthcare system is experiencing an acute shortage of basic painkillers, particularly acetaminophen and ibuprofen, which are commonly used to relieve pain and fever in children during flu season.

    Canada’s Association of Medical Assistance in Dying Assessors and Providers (CAMAP) chose this perhaps awkward moment to roll out a webinar for healthcare professionals that advised them to offer assisted suicide to their suffering patients.

    As Canada’s National Post noted, doctors around the world are normally “explicitly prohibited or strongly discouraged” from bringing up the subject of euthanasia, even in jurisdictions where assisted suicide is legal.

    Beginning with a “guidance document” published in 2019, CAMAP asserted that, on the contrary, Canadian doctors have a duty to begin the conversation about Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID) with their patients rather than waiting for patients to ask about their options. MAID is a process by which healthcare professionals kill the patient.

    A new MAID curriculum developed by the group and introduced via a webinar this week maintained that position, which critics find increasingly disturbing as MAID eligibility expands under Canadian law, far beyond the original concept of offering killing only to “those whose natural death was reasonably foreseeable.”

    As the laws stand, there is “no legal restriction on who can raise the subject of MAID with someone with a grievous and irremediable illness, disease or disability, provided the intent is not to induce, persuade or convince the person to request an assisted death.”

    • Sort of disturbing. Go stock up on pain killers.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Lollies! Yes!!! Super Fent lollies… Super Fent pez… Super Fent candy bars

        let er… rip!

    • banned says:

      This is legal in Canada and the USA. They were going to make it illegal in the USA but too many people protested. Lots of vets with pieces of metal in them find it preferable to prescribed opioids. I have a friend in chronic pain who prefers it to prescribed opioids. Less addicting less euphoria less withdrawals but it works in his opinion. The Reddit chat gives a balanced view. Some say “kratom saved my life”. Some say “kratom ruined my life”. I am not advocating it one way or the other. Its for people in chronic pain. Chronic pain sucks. It appears to be an addictive substance with a abuse potential similar to codeine or the like. There are no recorded intances of it killing anyone.


      • Fast Eddy says:

        The good thing is if you want to live and reduce the pain you take X… but when life gets so shite that you want to end you take the whole bottle… hahahaha…

        Good to have options in these troubled waters

  23. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Food inflation in UK 11.6% YoY

    Will increase once GBP collapses again due to increasing economic slowdown:

    Shop price inflation accelerated to record highs in October:

  24. When Thomas Carlyle wrote his History of French Revolution, he gave it to J.S. Mill to review it. The next day, Mill told Carlyle that his maid ‘accidentally’ burnt it.

    Carlyle wasted 3 more years of his life to write a new version of that book. It became famous, but Carlyle never made it up with Mill. It is not known to what happened to the maid.

    In Japan, Carlyle (most authors came from the samurai class) would have drawn his katana, go to Mill’s house, and dispatched her head in one single blow. (At that time samurais killing commoners were a crime punishable by death, but in practice a bribe of a couple thousand dollars commuted it to a slap in the wrist.)

    Why? The book’s value would have been higher than the value of the maid’s life.

    In the old days, it didn’t cost too much to raise a child. Weak child just died and healthier children just ate whatever was available. Give them a rag and they would raise themselves. So parents rarely got sad when their children died – there were more to come and more to die, and if there were no more, there was no shortage of stray kids to ‘adopt’ and use-till-it-died.

    Japanese lullabies are not like western lullabies. The lullabies are about the babysitters, not the babies. Traditionally, babysitters came from the lowest rung of society, and their lives were worth, I have to say nothing.

    There was a famous lullaby, whose lyrics I can’t find now. In which, the babysitter, who probably comes from a very poor family in her early teens (and her future prognosis on life is grim), is caring for a sick child which is likely to die soon. She knows she will be killed when the child dies so she tells her sister back home, who will meet a fate similar to hers soon, to bury her with the most luxury available when that happens. She knows nobody will be punished when she is killed ;it was a fact of life which she understood when she got the babysitter job.

    In the old days, as I have said a few times below, the value of a poor person’s life was, I would say, less than the value of a good horse. We have to go back to these times and value the lives of two legged humanoids according to what they actually are.

    • Jeremy says:

      Well, if you insist. I’ll run an appraisal on your life early this week and get back with you asap with the “results”.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      if k thinks his life has less value than a good horse, who am I to disagree?

  25. Dennis L. says:

    Last note:

    Spoke with a friend a few days ago, related how a family in Decorah, IA,. relatives, lived to be 110 or so. Four lived in one house, each with their own room. It allowed them to check on one another, help one another and maintain a social contact.

    Four can live more cheaply than one?

    There are alternatives to living on the street or under a bridge, but it requires cooperation and sacrifice of extreme individuality.

    It is going to be an interesting future, sitting around and eating popcorn watching others may not be an option, perhaps join a group, a team. Religion helps bond that team together, God again; He must be a real pain in you know what for the atheist elites, some of whom live on campuses, selling pomposity to indentured slaves called students. The students have sold their lives so this group can work say ten hours a week. “Let me count the ways,” Browning.

    Dennis L.

    • Xabier says:

      Excellent post, Dennis!

      Here the poor and sick elderly went into workhouses, and the poorer middle-class who couldn’t afford servants lived in some sort of boarding house with all meals provided – ‘genteel poverty’ as it was known.

      Wise elderly people do not impose themselves on younger family if they have any sense.

      Yes, you’ve summed up contemporary university economics.

      • Actually, an awfully lot of teaching is pushed off on “adjunct faculty” who are paid hardly more than minimum wage.

        Quite a few of the faculty work diligently on getting grants to do research to write up in papers, which practically no on reads. These papers are on tiny pieces of something that someone thinks might be important. These folks do practically no teaching, because they are too busy with their research.

  26. banned says:

    USA, Russian, and Chinese military payloads delivered to space quite pronounced in last several months.



      I suppose that this could be a different way of attacking targets on the ground.

      • Lastcall says:

        Is this the EMP option being prepped for?
        Some preppers are going to be above the chaos maybe!

        • banned says:

          Who knows what they have come up with. It could also be as simple as military communications. Its not tater tots. Whatever everyone is putting up there takes some serious resources to place and is the result of long term projects. What we dont know is for every publicized “deterrent” project how many black “strategic” projects there are. Im sure what everyone is placing up there is for the good of all humanity. Nice things. Maybe cat food to feed the stray space cats. meeeeow.

        • Hubbs says:

          Speaking of EMPs, I was watching Survival Lilly reviewing geiger counters today.


          I realized that years ago when I was more naive I had in fact puchased one of these. I pulled off my aluminum foil sealing tape and opened my Faraday Cage storage bucket

          When I tried to turn it on just to measure background radiation, it wouldn’t energize. The battery was dead. The problem is, they don’t tell you that the product is powered by a battery that is soldered onto the circuit board. There is no user replacement battery option No alternative USB powering the unit or other charger. on the standard model. Now it will cost me at least $100 just to ship, insure and get a new battery. (The unit costs around $500.00

          The reality is the unit is completely useless when and if you suddenly had to use it. The problem is, you don’t know when. Furthermore if there were a “situation” when you had to use it, you probably couldn’t do much about it anyway. And that is why I for most people, it is a complete waste of money to try to get all these gadgets. A few years ago after having a similar problem, I had made a rule to never purchase anything, whether a flashlight, power tools, radio, thermal weapons scope etc that does not allow you to power with CR123 or the regular AA, AAA, D batteries etc.

          • Replenish says:

            We are having problems enjoying family traditions due to best laid plans and faulty contraptions. I tried to get my Dad to buy a 120 volt submersible well pump to replace the 40 year old unit that “quit” last hunting season so we could rig up a transfer switch and run it off gas generator or solar set-up. His hunting partner ran the well out of water and decided to take a nap without flipping off the well pump breaker.

            Dad is still in charge so he decided to purchase the 240 volt model with new black plastic pipe to replace the cheap PVC pipe connected in 20 foot sections. Forearms were numb from pulling and each coupling broke and emptied water on us; 20 tries to replace pitiless adapter, finally got it done with utility light hanging in well casing below adapter fitting. Unusually harmonious team effort!

            The original Well dug in the 80’s ended up only 160 ft deep barely 2-3 gallons per minute due to local drunk well driller waiting until the week before cabin footers and framing were scheduled to begin. He left in a huff at shallow depth when time-sensitive construction boxed in his drilling rig.. nastywords were exchanged.

            A few weeks ago we manually pulled the pump and pipe to find bottom 15 feet of old pump + pipe caked with sediment due to worst local drought in 40 years, no water anyway. Neighbor here in town gave me an IBC tote with extra aluminum cage for elevated irrigation and we are hauling it up to cabin for flushing toilet, washing dishes.. roughing it. Dad nearly died from CHF in April so I bought him and his buddy a Boss 7 ton hydraulic splitter for camp wood. He’s going to use the International Cub to reach his shooting shanty. if the tractor doesn’t start he’s going to hunt from the porch, lol. Geezer-proof this time? We shall see. Fingers crossed!

  27. Dennis L. says:

    This series is getting long in tooth, but came across this:

    “Finally, this will leave Canada and the USA to dissolve themselves into a series of First Nations, in which their original native peoples can play a new and important role, the old centralisation gone. It will be long before they will be able to prosper again, as they are much burdened by the debts of militaristic imperialism, but the potential for some modest recovery in the future is there.”

    Our elites celebrate the indigenous, perhaps they will get their wish. Woman’s movement may change direction, tribal councils may be much smaller resulting in redundancies in the legislative and executive branches. Well, maybe they can code.

    Dennis L.

    • When push comes to shove, the word “First Nations” will disappear.

      • gpdawson2016 says:

        You can’t be both ‘first’ and a ‘nation’.

        But that is the dilemma of mankind…. given the power of speech, he proceeds to bugger it up.

      • Cromagnon says:

        When Homo anunna swarm up from the underworld in their army of the damned the current “ First Nations” will run as fast as any modern to escape them.
        The term Wormwood will be common place within the decade I fear.
        The similacrum cares not about labels. But the demiurge (AI) surely does.

  28. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Sky-High Electricity Is Biden’s New Pain Point Before Elections

    US consumers are increasingly struggling to pay utility bills

    • Who is up for a brutal game of musical chairs? There are less than a billion seats and 8billion asses. I wonder who or what the spectator(s).

    • David says:

      That article reports ‘only’ a 16% US-wide price rise in the past year. The price we pay in the UK has risen from around 20 to 35 pence per kilowatt-hour (I think that’s 24 to 42 cents per kWh).

      In 2010, 10 p per kWh was regarded as a high price to pay for electricity.

      The UK seems to be using a bizarre marginal cost pricing system, so that 100% of electricity is priced at the level of the most expensive kWh generated. Also the government is now borrowing to subsidise these inflated bills. The bills remain higher than where they’d be if the UK didn’t have this illogical pricing system.

      A deliberate attempt to crash the economy, bankrupt people, enrich large corporations and bring in the Great Reset? Who knows. But the EU is doing something strange too. Yanis Varoufakis analysed their ‘electricity market’ and called it ‘the scam of the century’

      • “Utility” method of pricing is the only one that really works. A single utility company buys electricity resource at agreed upon costs, based on the full cost of production of the various sources.

    • Prices aren’t really so sky high, it is just that the last several years have been unusually low, causing a problem for exporters like Russia.

  29. Dennis L. says:

    Respectfully disagree with CHS.

    “My work focuses on “investing in yourself” / self-reliance rather than just focusing on financial gains, as financial gains are exposed to the risk of taxation or appropriation, while investments in productive asset you control directly are less exposed to expropriation.”

    To a certain extent, but it takes a team, one only has so much time, two hands. etc.

    Watched an Amish house building on road near my farm, took a week end or so to frame, roor, and install windows, doors. Incredible team work, young on high, older down lower. Note, that does not include Sunday which is a day of rest. Maybe some wisdom in that.

    Again, self organization, a day of rest good for the soul, rests the mind, resets the chemistry, i.e. no burnout.

    Dennis L.

    • Xabier says:

      When states can’t tax they simply seize assets – poor logic on his part surely?

      When a ‘struggling artist’ I had two jobs and worked 7 days per week for quite a stretch.

      I reasoned that if I ate and slept well I wouldn’t need a day off, but in fact it wore me down.

      A Turkish barber was impressed by my routine and praised me for being ‘very strong man, real man!’ which was very flattering but in fact he was wrong, it wore me out – that day, or half-day, off once a week is very necessary, for some reason.

      Many religious festivals have that going for them. Not stupid, our ancestors.

  30. This post has one or two days of life remaining and there is no guarantee that Gail will put a new post before Nov 11 so I will write it now.

    It is “Veterans Day” or “Remembrance Day”.

    Veterans? for what? to rob the chance to reclaim the Eastern Marches into the western fold , the first time since the Grand Schism, so the dead-on-arrival countries called Poland and Czechoslovakia could exist?

    Wilson should have accepted the reality and let Germany have the territories it conquered from the East, and let the Poles and Czechs balk. Would the Poles and Czechs in USA have revolted? They might, and they get one way ticket to Danzig where they would be put on German mercy, not much unlike the Polish Free Army troops who enjoyed their treatment from the Communists which Wilson indirectly helped.

    Remembrance that the Third World, which were like a heaven and earth apart back in 1918, are about to consume the West. It would be a farce to see the Hindu giving an address for the Remembrance Day – the morons who died perished to make people like him get ahead. The Hindu’s loyalty is his rich father-in-law in India, not the Crown.

    It is a day of repentance for leading millions of Europeans to prop up some failed countries and the denizens of the colonies. All these so called heroes should be stopped being honored, but ridiculed as idiots who died to put a Hindu at 10 Downing Street.

    I don’t see a renaissance in Europe coming again. Asia and Africa will divide it.

  31. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    “Not everyone believes that the banks are bankrupt, but the reality is that they are,” said Ray Hindi, CEO of a Zurich-based management firm dedicated to digital assets.

    In bankrupt Lebanon, locals mine bitcoin and buy groceries with tether, as $1 is now worth 15 cents
    MacKenzie Sigalos

    Once known for its stable and investment-friendly banking system, Lebanon has plunged into chaos as hyperinflation grips the country and banks force huge haircuts on dollar withdrawals.
    To make ends meet in a financial system that no longer makes sense, some Lebanese are mining bitcoin or storing wealth using the cryptocurrency.
    The dollar-pegged stablecoin tether, which users trade for cash, is also popular
    “The situation hasn’t really changed since 2019. Banks limited withdrawals, and those deposits became IOUs. You could have taken out your money with a 15% haircut, then 35%, and today, we’re at 85%,” continued Hindi, who was born and raised in Lebanon before leaving at the age of 19.
    “Still, people look at their bank statements and believe that they’re going to be made whole at some point,” he said.
    Despite losing nearly all of their savings and pension, Gebrael’s parents – both of whom are career government employees – are holding out hope that the existing financial system will rightsize at some point. In the meantime, Gebrael is covering the difference.
    Others have lost faith in the monetary system altogether. Enter cryptocurrency.
    CNBC spoke with multiple locals, many of whom consider cryptocurrencies a lifeline for survival. Some are mining for digital tokens as their sole source of income while they hunt for a job. Others arrange clandestine meetings via Telegram to swap the stablecoin tether for U.S. dollars in order to buy groceries. Although the form that crypto adoption takes varies depending upon the person and the circumstances, nearly all of these locals craved a connection to money that actually makes sense.
    “Bitcoin has really given us hope,” Gebrael said. “I was born in my village, I’ve lived here my whole life, and bitcoin has helped me to stay here.
    ….To try to stave off a total economic meltdown, in 2016, central bank chief Riad Salameh, an ex-Merrill Lynch banker who had been on the job since the early 1990s, decided to dial up banking incentives. People willing to deposit U.S. dollars earned astronomical interest on their money, which proved especially compelling at a time when returns elsewhere in the world were relatively underwhelming. El Chamaa tells CNBC that those who deposited U.S. dollars and then converted those dollars to Lebanese lira earned the highest interest.
    The era of easy money fell off a cliff in October 2019, when the government proposed a flurry of taxation on everything from gas, to tobacco, to WhatsApp calls. People took to the streets in what became known as the October 17 Revolution.
    As the masses revolted, the government defaulted on its sovereign debt for the first time ever in early 2020, just as the Covid pandemic took hold around the world. Making a terrible situation worse, in Aug. 2020, an explosion of a stockpile of ammonium nitrate stored at the port in Beirut – blamed on gross government negligence – killed more than 200 people and cost the city billions of dollars in damages.
    The banks, spooked by all the chaos, first limited withdrawals and then shut their doors entirely as much of the world descended into lockdown. Hyperinflation took root. The local currency, which had a peg of 1,500 Lebanese pounds to $1 for 25 years, began to rapidly depreciate. The street rate is now around 40,000 pounds to $1.
    “You need a backpack to go for lunch with a group of people,” explained Hindi.
    After re-opening, the banks refused to keep up with this extreme depreciation, and offered much lower exchange rates for U.S. dollars than they were worth on the open market. So money in the bank was suddenly worth much less.

    Can’t wait for it to happen here..Tic Tok…
    Oh, sorry, it can’t happen here..we are the richest nation on the Planet! Sarcasm

    • The analyst’s name being Ray (probably a modification of some unpronounceable name starting with “Raj”) Hindi tells everything we have to know about what he wants to say.

      He is laughing , along with other analysts from the subcontinent.

    • You say,

      Banks limited withdrawals, and those deposits became IOUs. You could have taken out your money with a 15% haircut, then 35%, and today, we’re at 85%,” continued Hindi, who was born and raised in Lebanon before leaving at the age of 19.

      “Still, people look at their bank statements and believe that they’re going to be made whole at some point,” he said.

      I am afraid that this is the way things are likely to work, if there are lots of debt defaults. Deposits become IOU’s of banks, but the banks have no way of paying out what they owe.

      • Xabier says:

        Here people to tend to think of their inflated-value real estate as being ‘like money in the bank’.

        These people will be going into deep shock as both savings prove inaccessible or are seized during bail-ins, and real estate collapses.

        The value of a house is shelter, and storage for things of true value to preserving one’s life – food, clothing, weapons – and maybe also a place of work, but they’ve lost sight of these basic facts.

  32. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    YouTuber Wrecks New GMC Hummer EV After Just Nine Miles
    Going through ditches at speed in your brand new six-figure EV is not advised.

    NOV 5, 2022
    Our enterprising content creator took delivery of his Hummer and immediately decided to test out some of its more exciting features, like the “Watts to Freedom” acceleration mode that enables the 3 second 0-60 launch times. After a brief intermission to advertise a flamethrower, he picks up three passengers and heads for a gravel road. He tests a few launches without an issue.

    Then, at the 5:00 mark of the video, he comes across a massive dip in the road. The car immediately slams into the ditch, destroying a radiator and the right-rear suspension corner immediately. At the bump in the road, the driver finds a few parts thrown from the car and a huge indent left in the road from where the truck hit. He is able to drive away, but only with the right-rear corner dragging at a diagonal angle he describes as a “permanent crab walk.” Let this be a lesson: a truck is not invincible at speed just because it is both fast and large.


  33. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    Researchers unveil secrets of the largest stash of Roman coins ever found in Spain
    The Treasure of Tomares, discovered six years ago, is made up of around 53,000 pieces and was buried in the 4th century under the portico of a villa


    Now, six years later, a group of archaeologists and coin experts from the University of Seville have released a report, Currency and metal in Late Antiquity: the Treasure of Tomares or Zaudín, that explores those findings. After analyzing 5,899 pieces, the researchers concluded that there were approximately 53,000 coins kept in the 19 amphorae, which were buried in a hidden storage area within a now-defunct Roman villa, and that they were all minted between the years 294 and 311 AD. The study also analyzed the possible reasons why their owner concealed them under the portico of the building.
    …..They are pieces issued after the reform of Emperor Diocletian in the year 294 – fiscal, administrative and monetary changes to curb inflation – and there is none that exceeds the year 312.
    ….The 5,899 pieces that were analyzed were minted under the emperors Diocletian, Maximian, Constantius, Galerius, Constantine, Severus, Maximinus, Licinius and Maxentius. They came from the mints of Rome, Carthage, Aquileia, Treveris, Ticinum, Lugdunum, Londinium, Siscia and Ostia. A smaller number of coins came from Alexandria, Cyzicus, Thessaloniki, Heraklea, Nicomedia and Antiochi. The emperor whose name appears on the highest number of coins is Diocletian, and the mint, Carthage.
    …This begs the question of why there are more Diocletian-era coins than from any other period of time. The answer could be because as the emperors went by and inflation grew, the weight of the pieces and their percentage of silver fell. In the year 294, a pound of silver was used to mint 32 coins; in 307 this number grew to 40, between 307 and 309 a pound of silver went into making 48 coins, and between 310 and 311, the figure had shot up to 72. In other words, the owner of the treasure preferred to hoard Diocletian’s money, with more silver in it. On average, the coins were made with an alloy of 88% bronze, 4% silver, 3.7% tin and 3.3% lead.

    And why so many in the same hands? The researchers explain that Diocletian’s reform triggered “political uncertainty and conflicts between the rulers.” Added to this were territorial and social clashes that would gradually lead to a concentration of property and a devaluation of this type of currency against gold. “These and other factors explain the large amount of coins that were found, as only in large numbers could payments of a certain level be undertaken.” In other words, to make any important financial transaction, a huge number of coins was necessary. And more so if you owned a villa that functioned as an agri-food center.

    The Tomares Treasure is one of the largest coin collections from the Tetrarchy (a system of government introduced by Diocletian that involved two emperors and their successors ruling at the same time) in the entire imperial territory. “It is only surpassed in size by that of Misurata, in Libya, and constitutes a top-tier testimony of monetary circulation at the beginning of the 4th century AD in the south of the Iberian Peninsula. Its composition is also an immense archive in which to study the vicissitudes (devaluations, changes in weight) of the economic policy of the emperors of the Tetrarchy, a time when the manipulation of currency was an important economic resource in the hands of public authorities.” In other words, inflation was eating away at Rome’s money, and what better way to deal with it, they figured, than crank out more money of poorer quality?

    Sounds like we are witnessing another round of “economic reforms”…

    • Withnail says:

      The money was buried under the granary of the villa complex when the site was abandoned, similar to the coin hoards in Britain at abandoned villas.

      By that point there was nothing to buy and nothing to sell and the site could no longer produce enough food to keep itself going. The coins simply weren’t worth lugging around to wherever the villa owners went.

      • Herbie Ficklestein. says:

        Thanks for your insight…Another comment on the CoinTalk site it may have been a “bank” for payments. The currency was rapidly depreciating and there are papyrus correspondence in the East urgently telling of the ongoing loss of purchasing power.
        Also, too early to determine the conclusions….this is a massive discovery.

        Diocletian even attempted his famous “Edict of Prices”
        The Edict on Maximum Prices (Latin: Edictum de Pretiis Rerum Venalium, “Edict Concerning the Sale Price of Goods”; also known as the Edict on Prices or the Edict of Diocletian) was issued in 301 AD by Roman Emperor Diocletian. It was probably issued from Antioch or Alexandria and was set up in inscriptions in Greek and Latin. The Edict exists only in fragments found mainly in the eastern part of the empire, where Diocletian ruled. The reconstructed fragments have been sufficient to estimate many prices for goods and services for historical economists (although the Edict attempts to set maximum prices, not fixed ones).
        The Edict on Maximum Prices is still the longest surviving piece of legislation from the period of the Tetrarchy. The Edict was criticized by Lactantius, a rhetorician from Nicomedia, who blamed the emperors for the inflation and told of fighting and bloodshed that erupted from price tampering. By the end of Diocletian’s reign in 305, the Edict was for all practical purposes ignored. The Roman economy as a whole was not substantively stabilized until Constantine’s coinage reforms in the 310s.

        From what read there was not enough of true good and silver in the system because of mines being depleted and sent for trade payments.
        Constantine, by raiding the treasures of pagan temples and shrines, was able to somewhat correct the imbalance with the solidus…
        The solidus (Latin ‘solid’; pl. solidi) or nomisma (Greek: νόμισμα, nómisma, lit. ‘coin’) was a highly pure gold coin issued in the Late Roman Empire and Byzantine Empire. Constantine introduced the coin, and its weight of about 4.5 grams remained relatively constant for seven centuries. In the Byzantine Empire, the solidus or nomisma remained a highly pure gold coin until the 11th century, when several Byzantine emperors began to strike the coin with less and less gold.

        • Withnail says:

          The Roman economy as a whole was not substantively stabilized until Constantine’s coinage reforms in the 310s.

          The coinage may have stabilised but the economy didn’t, it continued its collapse because the economy runs on energy not money.

        • Withnail says:

          Thanks for your insight…Another comment on the CoinTalk site it may have been a “bank” for payments. The currency was rapidly depreciating and there are papyrus correspondence in the East urgently telling of the ongoing loss of purchasing power.
          Also, too early to determine the conclusions….this is a massive discovery.

          The site was abandoned when the coins were buried. Neither the villa nor the coins were any longer any use to the owners.

          • Another indication that gold and silver coins tend to lose value in collapse. This is in addition to the indication from Revelation 18, regarding what happened when Babylon fell.

      • Xabier says:

        Also, travel with lots of coins would be slower and need guards. You might well be murdered for it, too. For something almost useless…..

      • Great point!

    • banned says:

      All gold belongs to someone. Old coins are worth millions only a fraction of the value of the gold. If you ever find old coins place them on a flat piece of steel and hit them with a 10lb sledge until you have a flat disc not resembling a coin. You have just turned a million dollar item into $1500 but now its just gold. Sell it buy dog food for the puppys and be happy.

  34. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    The Fed has to do the dirty work’ and induce a US recession that’s deeper than Europe’s as the economy is clearly overheating, BofA says
    Phil Rosen Nov 5, 2022, 8:45 AM
    The Federal Reserve has to do the “dirty work” of bringing labor demand down to match supply, Bank of America analysts said.
    As a result, the US will face a deeper recession than Europe, where the labor market is already much weaker.
    BofA sees the Fed hiking the benchmark rate to 5.25%, while the European Central Bank’s terminal rate will be 2.5%.

    Sure, The Fed is ongoing Dirty ..just keep doing the “to the moon money” printing…
    That has no bearing on inflation….just look at Japan… we’ll be fine once we set it all in balance…sarcasm…

  35. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    There’s a major shift underway in manufacturing for U.S. companies
    PUBLISHED FRI, NOV 4 2022 10:00 AM EDT
    Frank Holland
    More than half of U.S. companies surveyed by SAP say that supply chain issues will persist in 2023.
    Even if inflation declines, the new “just in case” model of sourcing, carrying more inventory and often use of non-Chinese manufacturing located closer to home, will result in higher costs.https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/11/04/a-major-shift-is-underway-in-manufacturing-for-us-companies.html
    Less hiring and lower wages are top ways the majority of companies say they plan to recoup the lost business margin.
    The supply chain rules have changed and they’ve changed for good. There is no going back,” SAP board member Scott Russell told CNBC. “We’re in a post globalization world now,” he said of the supply chain crunch caused by the Covid-19 pandemic. “The chaos and the disruption is proving that the supply chain just wasn’t as robust as they expected it to be.”
    Many U.S. companies are now shifting from a “just in time” supply chain model to a “just in case” model — essentially carrying more inventory and often use of more suppliers closer to the United States as opposed to reliance on Chinese manufacturing. This shift is expected to increase costs while U.S. consumers are also dealing with historic inflation.
    “The supply chain issues are costly and it isn’t all due to inflation,” Russell said. “The costs to be able to build that resilience are ultimately being borne by the consumer, who now needs to prioritize lower prices over quality.”
    Rising costs in supply chain shifts are also impacting business decisions. Sixty-one percent of survey respondents said wage and recruitment freezes would be their top move to combat continued rising supply chain costs.
    With the disruption of the Covid pandemic easing, U.S. businesses now say the war between Russia and Ukraine is the top factor causing supply chain disruption. Issues related to the European conflict, lack of raw material/components and rising fuel/energy costs were the other top factors listed by companies.
    To overcome these macroeconomic issues, more U.S. companies are turning to technology and simultaneously emphasizing the need for sustainability.
    “Nearly half said the sustainability credentials of the supply chain becomes a critical element in the way that they look at their transformation going forward” Russell said. “They want to engage in not only an efficient supply chain that has resiliency, but they want to deal with businesses that have got an ESG agenda.”

    Sounds like a plan…just needs a little fine tuning to set it right again..BAU forever 🐥

    • banned says:

      Just in case? What they r doomy prepper horders now?

    • Good point:

      Many U.S. companies are now shifting from a “just in time” supply chain model to a “just in case” model — essentially carrying more inventory and often use of more suppliers closer to the United States as opposed to reliance on Chinese manufacturing. This shift is expected to increase costs while U.S. consumers are also dealing with historic inflation.

      This is another source of increased costs. It is the opposite of an efficiency gain; it represents a loss of efficiency.

      The article also says:

      “They want to engage in not only an efficient supply chain that has resiliency, but they want to deal with businesses that have got an ESG agenda.”

      I am afraid that the ESG agenda is simply another way of reducing efficiency. Don’t hire workers on their ability; hire them based on some social goals.

  36. postkey says:

    “They seem motionless at first but when Nixon used time-lapse photography to condense 48 hours of footage into two minutes, it showed what appear to be mechanical arms assembling and disassembling glowing rectangular structures that look like circuitry and micro chips. These are not ‘manufactured products’ in the CDC’s words because they construct and deconstruct themselves but the formation of the crystals seems to be stimulated by electromagnetic radiation and stops when the slide with the vaccine is shielded by a Faraday bag. Nixon’s findings are similar to those of teams in New Zealand, Germany, Spain and South Korea.” ?

  37. Ian says:

    I am reading some interesting comments here about the oil price in the coming months :


    [OP] “… just to let you know how the Economic War is about to take a big step, not many people seems to notice right now but the oil price is running very strong this week and looks it’ll reach at least U$ 120.00 – 140.00 some time during this month while the dollar several months rally seems to be over just today (from here the dollar is going all the way down) and the stock market S&P500 just started another downfall this week, panic selling is very likely next week.

    I read articles about how the Economic War and or events like this might happen one day and although I agree, the time that takes makes me wonder if that could happen during my lifetime.

    Mr. Medvedev said by July oil could reach U$ 300 – 400. I wouldn’t be surprised seeing oil reaching U$ 200 between Jan-Feb 2023.”

    [Reply] “Interesting. Would the price be $300 or so due to USD falling in value and impact of other currency pricing or because real prices pegged to similar exchange rates would rise, i.e. would oil bought in yuan or rubles see a similar rise or just Dollar pegs?”

    [OP again] “For me its most likely the second reason: oil traded in other currencies than dollars. However oil multiyear trend is strongly up together with dollar multiyear trend down combined give the perfect storm. And I almost forgot the elephant in the room: war.”

    Another interesting opinion in the comments :

    “The largest most valuable trade in the world more than oil, is weapons. US is the leading weapons seller. 16mn people in US rely on big 4 weapons manufacturing firms, pension funds are invested, stock markets reliant, policy backed up, population managed, allies bound, valuable resources stolen, votes influenced, punishment for international crimes avoided, due to these weapons. How do you calculate that value? Weapons are the lifeblood of the American economy. To replace it is like replacing gold. Silver does not buy the same.”

    And also a good discussion there about how the war is going in Ukraine.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      ground will be frozen soon, then Russia will mount a winter offensive and take Nikolaev and Odessa, perhaps swiftly, or by springtime.

      Russia will decide when to stop, and Ukraine will be a small landlocked destitute third world level rump of a failed state.

      Putin and his wise and intelligent staff are overwhelming the woketard West.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      the USD is very strong, and since oil is mostly priced in USD worldwide, other countries are having their currencies devalue and oil prices to them are very high.

      oil priced in euros is near an all time high, same with yen, and many many smaller weaker countries and their currencies.

      USD could weaken, why?, they’re one of the gorillas in the room, but if so US oil prices could rise, but not by much, there’s negative feedback involved.

      oil prices $120+ would add to the severity of the ongoing worldwide recession.

      demand will crash, and then oil prices will crash.

      OPEC+ will slash production, and prices will go up.

      know how to spell “volatility”?

      • Dennis L. says:

        Ziehan, US is the future.

        I have given up reasoning, the universe is self organizing, it is highly likely the US is also self organizing, Nov 8 will be most interesting. If the US goes red(what irony), the elites will be in total agony, my guess, they will get over it.

        Dennis L.

        • USA WAS the future and it blew the chance.

          I don’t care about Nov 8. Just the same , same old boring bunch. ‘

          The Asian-‘Americans’ have no loyalty to USA. They will go back to their homes if they are paid enough. They are just in USA to play.

  38. Tim Groves says:

    Last night, Mrs Tim and I watched She, the 1965 fantasy movie based on H. Rider Haggard’s novel of the same name, which starred Ursula Andress in the leading role as Ayesha, an immortal monarch tyrannically ruling over the people of a lost city somewhere beyond the Desert of Stones in the Mountains of the Moon. You know the sort of thing.

    This movie has almost everything—racism, sexism, orientalism, and stereotyping Africa (not named but implied) as a dark continent peopled by primitives—all rolled up into one. It’s Boy’s Own fantasy stuff that was becoming dated even as the movie was being filmed. Back when I was still in short trousers, I watched this with my Grandad at the local Odeon when it first came out. It was fun then and fun now, and it will doubtless be banned once AOC become President.

    Watching it, I was reminded of Kulm’s idea that the west made a fatal mistake in being “kind” to the Third World, and that it would have been better for the human project to have continued to employ the colonialist “keep ’em down and exploit ’em till the pips squeak” mentality indefinitely.

    “She who must be obeyed” was the epitome of white privilege, barbecuing disobedient natives over the volcano in the basement and working the rest of her subjects to an early grave. Her modern equivalent, who can’t quite compare with Ms. Andress in the looks department, is surely Gina Reinhardt, who as Kulm reminds us, would like everyone in her empire to work for two dollars a day to keep competitive with Third World labor costs.

    Amid the fast-paced action, just after Ayesha’s white Roman Legion-styled soldiers have thrown fifteen of her wailing black slaves into the lava pit, I was struck by the following exchange between the Queen and two of the horrified British visitors, the archeologist Holly (played by Peter Cushing), and his friend and Ayesha’s love interest Leo (played by John Richardson, who also had a romance with Raquel Welch in One Million Years BC):

    Leo : Was that barbaric execution necessary?
    Ayesha : It was necessary!
    Holly : In God’s name, why?
    Ayesha : As a demonstration of my absolute power! How else could I hold my soldiers and these pathetic creatures as my subjects? How else but by instilling fear and terror into their very souls.
    Holly : But nothing is gained by fear and terror.
    Ayesha : Is your world so much better? Your world where men kill each other in their millions in the name of freedom? Your world that has not long to live. A few decades only before it destroys itself. Then, what will be left?

    What indeed?

    I’ve never read the original 1887 novel by N. Rider Haggard, so I don’t know if that “a few decades only before it destroys itself” line is in there. But it seems that by 1965, the consciousness that Western “civilization” was living on borrowed time was already widely established.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Incidentally, most of the major cast members in the 1965 movie have now passed on. As you can see, they were a fairly long lived bunch.

      Peter Cushing died in 1994 aged 81.
      Christopher Lee died in 2015 aged 93. (All that young blood kept him going.)
      Rosenda Monteros died in 2018 aged 83.
      John Richardson died in 2021 aged 86.
      And Bernard Cribbins died earlier this year aged 93.

      Only the immortal Ursula Andress is still with us at 86.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I always ask myself when I see former goddesses past their prime… if given the opportunity would I go for it … even though it looks pretty rough…

        Just for the story?

        Probably not actually… well maybe not the full monty — but I’d take a freebie… why not — if it’s free

        • Xabier says:

          These are profound questions, FE.

          The Italian poet, war hero, proto-Fascist and drug addict Gabriele D’Annunzio put this to the test once, when a German noblewoman, whom he had first glimpsed when beautiful and young, came to see him at his villa (paid for by Mussolini, old Gabriele was a talented grifter!) when (late) middle-aged, in order to sacrifice her charms to his genius.

          Many women made this pilgrimage from all over Europe, it seems, and not a few professional ladies. Even Hitler supplied him with a blonde, athletic mistress, who endured his perversions in order to spy for the Fatherland. No doubt the drugs helped her in this.

          But back to the noble lady, panting with desire for the embraces of the greatest genius in Italy.

          Initial impressions were quite good; but when divested of her jewellery, furs and silks, etc, and laid out on the perfumed silk sheets and cushions, even in the dim light of his chamber of seduction, Gabriele – no spring chicken himself – was more than a little disappointed…..

          • Fast Eddy says:

            This has the makings of a university Philosophy course… and you raise a good point … we would need to examine if from the other perspective — would the former goddess laugh at the non-spring chicken offering her the freebie….

            We must consider that when in her prime she’d have had freebies from the choicest spring chickens so how does she — and is she willing to — come down to the level of anything but prime flesh….

            At this point I would note that she likely has a lot of $$$$ … so might she not indulge in pay to play with fit spring chickens aka toy boys????

            This might be something for mark crispin miller to develop — I understand that he is being attacked by colleagues and others who are trying to cancel his lectures on these topics https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/people/mark-crispin-miller

            He might need a new gig soon.

    • Xabier says:

      Victorians liked to call Southern Europeans ‘savages’ too, it makes their travel books rather embarrassing to read.

      Really the Brits were insufferable then, rather like the post-war ‘Economic Miracle’ Germans, who are now about to be humbled….

      I found ‘She’ thrilling when a boy, and I’m surprised it didn’t condition me to seek out a cold, blonde, dominatrix once I’d come to man’s estate: although I knew one who did pull off that trick on her men, enslaving them, if not quite throwing them into a handy volcano disposal unit.

      She initially tried it on with me, but I simply asked what her last slave died of and she never did so again. Reports are that her current husband is far from happy,….

      Arch-druid JMG claims that Haggard’s books are profound esoteric texts, and being a Druid I suppose he must be right.

      If I find a copy of ‘She’ I’ll look for those lines about our imminent expiration: if original, and not an invention of the script writers, it would be remarkable. Maybe Haggard was a Druid after all? As well as a wordsmith to equal our very own Norman.

      • https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3155

        They would not have such words in the original book but would have said it in a subtle victorian way.

        There is a wealth of Victorian literature in gutenberg.org. I have read quite a few books from that era. Totally different era.

        I have also read a bunch of baedecker guides, pre-1914. Very interesting as hell.

        • Tim Groves says:

          Thank you, Kulm. I’ve been reading the original this morning, and I couldn’t find the words about us having only a few decades left in it.

          But Ayesha in the book is a much more complex and credible character in the book. She insists she isn’t cruel for the sake of cruelty. And she only killed the girl Ustane after the latter defied her serveral times, and even then, she killed the girl using something akin to “the Force”—not by toture,

          I think Ayesha would make a great Elder.

    • I have actually read “She” and “King Solomon’s Mines”. The author, H . Rider Haggard, actually lived in South Africa for 7 years and saw the reality. So even in 1890s there were already people who were worrying about what I am talking now.

  39. Whether you like or not, the one way to save civilization, BAU, TPTB, whatever you feel like to call it is to concentrate all the resources to the top 0.5% of population, or about 40,000,000 people, who do run the world.

    Which basically means the rest of the world, including most of Asia, all of Africa, all of Latin America and probably most of Europe east of Vienna are going to be excluded. Sorry.

    Nationalism was very toxic. We are only discovering that at least 60% of the countries in the United Nations had no business to exist to begin with, and only were established for the West to win the Cold war, In a utilitarian term, it would have been better to let Soviet Union have the Third world, be crushed from it because of its inefficiency, and keep them poor and less developed to limit consumption. Every third world capital has some fancy buildings for its local elites, which basically was a waste.

    In other words, the USSR won the Cold War by losing, and the West lost it by winning.

    If we manage to seize the natural resources remaining, deny them to the Third World and also significantly limit consumption in the First World, we will get to the net stage of civilization. I already showed the example of the Foxxonn factory in China,where the workers sleep on the factory floors or warehouses, to minimize commute costs.

    If necessary, Gina Reinhart’s proposal of $2/day salary in the Advanced World could be adopted, removing the labor cost from the equation. Younger folks will choose that if they have to choose it between that and starvation.

    The end of BAU is no softy. I say a lot of things which are offensive to some groups, but I don’t care. Somebody has to say it, and if it has to be me, I don’t mind.

    Entire groups and peoples will disappear. Entire countries and continents will be emptied. That is inevitable. To keep a chance of reaching the space and advancing to the next stage of civilization.

    • I think the resources need to go to the best adapted. This isn’t necessarily the top 1% determined by some other metric. People who are over 90 years old may be in the top 1% financially, but expecting them to keep the economy going is wishful thinking.

      The economy needs a lot of young working people, both men and women, to succeed. Somehow, the food needs to be grown. It needs to be transported to where it needs to be consumed. There needs to be a way to cook quite a bit of the food. There needs to be an adequate supply of fresh water. There needs to be a way of recycling human waste products and left-over cooking materials, perhaps by composting. If the climate is cold, there needs to be a way to keep people warm. If nothing else, water that is not frozen needs to be available to drink.

      I am afraid you are dreaming when you say, “reaching the space and advancing to the next stage of civilization.” Humans are having a hard time making it here, now.

      • adonis says:

        my parents are in their eighties still living in their original home but have a large amount of subsidized workers who do virtually everything for them cleaning cooking garden work handymen outings you name it all subsidized by the government,all my parents living brothers or sisters that have reached similar ages are all living the same way this way of government benevolence cannot go on forever because of the finite resources i think gail is right changes are definiteley coming but in what form and when is the question.

      • Mike Roberts says:

        What do you mean by “best adapted?”

      • Dennis L. says:

        Generally I ignore or reject kul, too deterministic for me on who wins and loses, probably my optimism. But, “I am afraid you are dreaming when you say, “reaching the space and advancing to the next stage of civilization.” I am inclined to agree with kul.

        In the final stages, we may not go direct, our minds and sentience may go in AGI, we can reconstitute the “flesh” when we get there. Irony, “We go the way of all flesh.” Freeze a fertilized egg, wrap in in lead, whatever, connect it with neurolink upon arrival, and presto, star travel without all the bother.

        Pessimists can ignore how far we have gone in the past one hundred years and the rate of increase. We don’t know what will happen in the next twenty or so, but at present trends it will be interesting.

        We will be fine, and if not, what is gained by prophesizing failure, doom, gloom? I think nothing for if that happens, all is darkness, better to reach for the stars.

        Dennis L.

        • first off—locate a planet in the goldilocks zone

          then establish whether life in terms of our survival is possible there, even with the closest planetary system that information will take 8.5 years to get back to us–in practical terms more like 100 years.++++

          We can of course use the scattergun technique of fertilisation, on the basis of one making it.

          no doubt such planets exist, but they will have existing life forms there, with some level of intelligence.

          so our eggs suddenly form a streak across their sky, and make a smoking hole in the ground, along with all the paraphernalia necessary for survival/growth of that egg (s)

          I just wonder how any alien life form will react to that.

          In addition, OFW’ers are generally in agreement that this industrial world is in a state of imminent collapse, but any form of star travel would require industry which as yet we do not possess, using technology not yet even thought of, let alone invented

          • Cromagnon says:

            None of you is actually paying attention.

            I live in one of the harshest environments on earth. Right now we have 8 inch’s of snow on ground, wind is howling and I expect to lose electric power within the hour. I saw a pack of huge timber wolves 2 miles east of my yard today. Point being, my climate/ geography tries to kill me at every turn. As energy drains away it gets worse.

            And given this,… even I can see this is a similacrum.

            We are going to get hammered by a true physical reset very soon. Everything you think you know.

            You don’t

            Pay attention,…… stop looking at news feeds
            There will be no nuclear war, there will be no going to the stars.

            There will be increasing hard swing to Christian Right and a near inquisition level of institutional violence in North America.
            There will be near frantic and increasing announcements about near earth asteroids, UFOs, bizarre solar events.

            Magnetic field has dropped by 25% now since records began,.. now they stopped reporting
            Ozone levels are falling fast,…..
            Severe cold events will stop the global warming nonsense.

            Then in the late 2030s,… the sun will go dark

            6 years later, who still lives will see truly supernatural phenomena.

            Dying doesn’t save you. It just makes you you a younger being for the experiences unfolding.
            We are literally inside Satan’s workshop,…. the demiurge runs this place.
            It just doesn’t have the final say.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Remind us of where you are

            • ////There will be increasing hard swing to Christian Right and a near inquisition level of institutional violence in North America.///

              On that part I agree with you Cro—it looks inevitable to me. I could be wrong of course, sometimes I am.

              —but not the rest of it. But we are all entitled to our personal belief systems.

              Just out of interest—where in the world are you?

            • Cromagnon says:

              I am in Canada where the Great Plains, the northern Boreal and the Eastern Cordilleran forest intersect.

              The similacrum makes things manifest up here…..lot of Sabe and UFO Reports.

              None from myself of course.

    • Ed says:

      People who run the world need people who empty septic tanks, who run sewage treatment plants, who pick up garbage off the streets.

      • bobby says:

        soon as that sewage pump station stops running so do the toilets, think about that

        • when there is no constant water flow through the town sewage system, the solid waste simply stays when it is

          and sets hard

          so if toilets are flushed—well–we neednt go there just yet.

          If water system miraculously reappears–we will not have a functioning sewage system

          Most people might get the idea of a bucket and a bag of sawdust—but that still leaves the problem of what to actually do with it.
          6lbs of poop each–per week (work it out folks)

          Oh just get a bottle of bleach

          daydreaming again I think

          • Replenish says:

            Maybe you can look for a senior co-housing community in a rural area with land for composting and access to water. Its not too smart living in a flat in the city unless you are resigned to your fate. Putting people down who respond to your situation tells me you are cranky and enjoy drama. My Dad is a conservative version of you. I learned not to fall into ego traps with him but to keep the conversation light hearted on topics we can agree on. He gets emotional and nasty when you disagree with him, Not very attractive.

            • Replenish

              when you disagree with your dad—is his argument so weak that he must fall back on pedophilia and adult diapers?

              I would suggest not.

              If my comment about what happens in an urban sewage system when there is no water-flow, is wrong, then say so, and tell me why/how. Accusing me of ‘dramatisation’ makes you sound foolish. Not me.

              The putting down, (or attempts thereof) as you put it, tends to be one direction only.

              I ‘put down’ only the conspiracy mongers—you may believe in all this crazy stuff–that is your entitlement. I do not.
              This vaxxing nonsense has gone on for 2 years. I have advocating vaxxing only for myself—yet by refusing further comment either way has me condemned for infanticide–it drives people nuts–i can only find that amusing. Is this your drama??

              most of it, if you care to read my stuff in that respect, is mostly humourous, admittedly with a barb here and there . What else is possible?

              I never refer to myself in third person. You mentioned egos????

              If by drama you mean disagreeing with those who demand attention—then guilty as charged.

            • Replenish says:

              Its an online forum I get it. Okay. Harmless barbs to make for dynamic of learning and entertainment. Extreme viewpoints and bizarre fetish comments you have my ear on that. I’m concerned that you are in a vulnerable spot if a week or long term power outages take hold. Dad is resistant to talk of energy depletion, prefers to stay put in the suburbs and gets distracted by political us vs them when I ask for cooperation on family solutions to worst case scenarios. I apologize if my comments were off the mark. Thanks the reply.

      • Hubbs says:

        Now you’re getting down to the nitty gritty. But the other angle to be considered is whether those tasked with keeping law and order, i.e., the police, the national guard, the other branches of the armed forces who are “paid” in dollars which for now still allows them to buy food, shelter, transportation etc. will still show up for work when the dollar no longer buys anything, or even worse, if there is nothing to buy anyway?

        How quickly the façade of “civilization,” especially in our overly dependent and complex society in the US will crumble, especially with our deeply ingrained normalcy bias. And while it is politically correct to say “diversity is strength,” in my opinion, nothing could be further from the truth. Diversity guarantees disruption, which is what the Globalists seek. Humans are hard wired at the tribal level- to protect resources and insure on a more generalized evolutionary level, the survival of more than our species, but of each tribe. In the past it would be about land for hunting and later farming and water. Fast forward today, and now we have vast energy resources which have turbocharged this eternal conflict.

        I have zero knowledge of political economy or history, but just what role do the armed forces play in overturning governments, not just voting out one party, I mean a complete wipe out, lie Russian and French Revolutions?

    • drb753 says:

      I do look forward to having my toilet cleaned by a Rothschild.

  40. Fast Eddy says:

    The Naked Emperor has been reading FE’s research … he gets it… check out the vote results hahaha … the PR Team gets a gold medal!


  41. Slowly at first says:

    If there were a catastrophic failure of the electric grid, then people in American suburbs would be _____.

    • “in the dark.”

      “unable to refuel either electric or gasoline-powered vehicles.” (Gasoline pumps are run using electricity, so they would be out, just as direct charging with electricity would be out.)

    • ivanislav says:


    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      calling their local outage phone number and reporting it.

      wondering why there’s no response a day later.

      and even a week later.

      wondering why almost none of their electronics work, including their modern cars.

      (a rare few speculating an EMP has happened.)

      wondering what to do since there is no more water pressure in their plumbing.

      wondering why city folks are walking down their streets, until some knock on their front door and beg for some food.

      thinking about walking quite a few miles to the nearest supermarket, but having the city folk tell you all the food has already been stolen.

      thinking about what has happened to distant friends and relatives, but having no way to contact them.

      (alt ending, your car still works and half a tank of gas):

      out of food, half a tank equals about 200 miles:

      drive to family or friends houses, ask if they know what has happened (and if they can spare a bit of food), they have no info and no food.

      difficult driving, lots of abandoned cars, semi blocked roads, a quarter tank of gas left.

      the few gallons of bottled water you stashed in the car is almost gone.

      head farther out into the countryside, looking for a farm where you might beg for or steal some food.

      gas tank almost empty, it’s night, sleep in the car.

      morning light, drive farther, car stalls, out of gas.

      start walking.

    • Lastcall says:

      Perfectly OK until the cell phone went flat

    • banned says:

      Discovering their furnace doesnt work without a bit of AC.

  42. Oil Price is reporting:


    Russian Oil Price Cap Will Not Apply To Resold Cargoes

    The United States and its Western allies have agreed that a cargo of Russian oil will only be subject to the price cap mechanism at the first sale of the oil to a buyer on land, sources familiar with the ongoing discussions told The Wall Street Journal on Friday.

    This means that the upcoming price cap will not apply to the resale of the same Russian cargo. The price cap will not apply to a cargo of Russian crude processed into gasoline when the gasoline is sold, either.

    However, intermediary sales and trades of Russian oil happening at sea should be subject to the price cap, according to the Journal’s sources.

    Of course, if China or India buys Russian oil and refines, or simply resells it, it would not seem to be subject to the cap.

    This sounds like the way the West can shoot itself in the foot.

    • Student says:

      It seems a clumsy way to punish Russia.

      ‘You can earn till a certain point, that we are the only ones allowed to earn additional money on your Oil’….

      • Student says:

        And it is also more offensive to Russia than a general price cap for everybody.
        I don’t think they will take it in a good way.

    • Hubbs says:

      All these sudden “exceptions” remind me of Booger making up rules in the card game in the Revenge of the Nerds.

    • houtskool says:

      It seems boosters don’t work in energy markets either.

  43. adonis says:

    A few days ago, the Club of Rome presented its latest report – 50 years after “The Limits to Growth”. The book accompanying the new study is called “Earth for All – A Survival Guide for Our Planet”. Even the title shows both concern about the catastrophe and the confidence to protect “Earth for All” from it. Those responsible for Scripture speak of a “crossroads” because humanity is just sowing the seeds for the collapse of entire regions of the world. But it’s not too late to turn things around.

    The experts limit themselves to two scenarios, both of which begin in 1980 and end in 2100. One is called “Too Little Too Late” (too little, too late), the other “Giant Leap” (giant leap). The alarm bells are ringing though. In general, however, an effort to spread confidence is discernible. The Club of Rome trusts the world community to stabilize global warming below the two-degree mark and to make decisive progress in fighting poverty by 2050. The “systemic transformation” can be achieved “in decades and not just in centuries” if humanity acts now.

    • I see that the summary at the Amazon website is as follows:

      The economic operating system keeps crashing. It’s time to upgrade to a new one.

      Five decades ago, The Limits to Growth shocked the world by showing that population and industrial growth were pushing humanity towards a cliff. Today the world recognizes that we are now at the cliff edge: Earth has crossed multiple planetary boundaries while widespread inequality is causing deep instabilities in societies. There seems to be no way out.

      Earth For All is both an antidote to despair and a road map to a better future. Using powerful state-of-the-art computer modeling to explore policies likely to deliver the most good for the majority of people, a leading group of scientists and economists from around the world present five extraordinary turnarounds to achieve prosperity for all within planetary limits in a single generation. Coverage includes:

      Results of new global modeling that indicates falling well-being and rising social tensions heighten risk of regional societal collapses
      Two alternative scenarios – Too-Little-Too-Late vs The Giant Leap – and what they mean for our collective future
      Five system-shifting steps that can upend poverty and inequality, lift up marginalized people, and transform our food and energy systems by 2050
      A clear pathway to reboot our global economic system so it works for all people and the planet.
      Written in an open, accessible, and inspirational style using clear language and high impact visuals, Earth For All is a profound vision for uncertain times and a map to a better future.

      This survival guide for humanity is required reading for everyone concerned about living well on a fragile planet.

      There are several authors. One is Jorgen Randers, who is a hopeless optimist. Green energy can save us all.

      It doesn’t sound like a very worthwhile book, except for obscuring the real issues.

      • Ed says:

        but, but, Richard Heinberg says it “is essential reading for collapse preventers everywhere”.

        • Student says:

          My impression is that Richard Heinberg has taken the role of anesthetizing people during this period of collapse.
          Maybe he understands that it is too late, but he wants to give anyway a positive message to people or he has been asked to do so.
          If the world had listened to his analysis 10-15 years ago, maybe his reassuring suggestions could have been valid.
          But now we are in the ‘every man for himself’ phase and so I have the impression that Dmitry Orlov’s forecasts are more probable than Richard Heinberg’s ones.

      • Ed says:

        Ban Ki-moon says “this book offers a concrete, breakthrough vision on how to ensure well-being for all”.

        Good news the unsolvable is solved; our jobs here is done.

      • Ed says:

        You are right Gail. I read the limited parts that can be read before buying. Zero mention of depleting resources, zero mention of massive pollution due to too many people.

        It is all about giving only 40% to the top 10% and spending 4% of GDP to give us secure sustainable energy and secure food.

      • Lastcall says:

        ‘Using powerful state-of-the-art computer modeling to explore policies likely to deliver the most good for the majority of people, a leading group of scientists and economists from around the world present five extraordinary turnarounds to achieve prosperity for all within planetary limits in a single generation.’

        ‘…computer modelling…’ of the sort that Imp Colge London used?
        ‘…deliver the most good.’.define good
        ‘….leading group of scientists..’.bound to be safe and effective then
        ‘…planetary limits…’ they are?

        This is too funny. No doubt they were carefully cu!!ed to the compliant core.
        I hope they all flew first class to and from the shindig

      • Xabier says:

        Wow, a ‘Giant Leap’: haven’t read their 20th c history have they?

        And those always sinister words ‘ For The Greater Good’, which have justified more massacres and catastrophes than any religion one can think of.

        There’s so much nonsense about. Some of it is highly comical.

        I was reading to great amusement about a gay couple in London who, when not saving the world through ‘interventions bridging architecture and performance art’ (ie living off Green subsidies!) like to cook with ‘a wide variety of ingredients from small artisan producers from around the world’ as their contribution to ‘fighting Climate Change’; in other words, flown to them……

    • Kowalainen says:

      I’d like to scrutinize the lifestyle of the authors and ‘Club of Readers’.

      Do you reckon they’re “Living Large”, eh?

      O yea, you know they do.
      🏡 🚗 🚙 ✈️ 🏫 🚌 🚂 👨 👩 👧 👦

      I think the BTU/capita for that clique would be rather telling how fsck’d we are as a species.

      Because you know, yes indeed, the monkey wants to be in the top of the tree plumes projecting “success”, despite knowing the predicament.

      Failed species.
      Let it sink in.


      • Xabier says:

        They aren’t cranking the pedals and shovelling oats, that’s for sure, K…..

        • Kowalainen says:

          Ya, I’m working on that Karma of mine.

          Perhaps a technical term would be “hypersanity”?

          However, I might be deluded in my assessment. The risk of malfunction from a personality disorder (and low IQ) is ever prevalent being an embodiment of the species Rapacious Primate.

          After all, it’s a failed species and with that comes the obviously bugs and distortions which give rise to the predicament we find ourselves in, right?


    • Ed says:

      They have a website http://www.earth4all.life They want to fix five things all at once


      They have a new computer model earth4all.

  44. I noticed this article on Zerohedge:


    Biden Betrayed As CNN, NYT Fact Checkers Set Stage For Downfall

    This article gives a long list of recent mis-statements by Biden, nearly all of which we have seen before. What is different is that they seem to be appearing the New York Time. CNN Politics also seems to have a “Fact Check” saying “Biden’s Midterm Message Includes False and Misleading Claims.”


    These tend to be liberal sources. This is a little strange.

  45. Student says:


    As of February 2022 (when the article linked below was published), French people who had suffered in 2009 of adverse events from the vaccine against influenza A (H1N1), had still not been compensated.
    The adverse events involved mainly the terrible and disabling disease called ‘narcolepsy’.
    The same government agancy is in charge now of compensations for adverse events from Covid-19 vaccines…


  46. Student says:

    (France Soir)

    International smuggling of weapons supplied to Ukraine.
    Those weapons are proliferating into various countries.

    Finnish police chief’s report.


    • Fast Eddy says:

      Should I send this to my former neighbour who has received a death sentence from jab induced neuro disease?

      I think … nawt.

    • Authors of the article listed first are Anthony M. Kyriakopoulos, Peter A. McCullough, Greg Nigh and Stephanie Seneff. Some of these names are familiar.

      “Conclusion: Further toxicity evaluations are urgently needed to quantify potential emergence of interference with canonical DNA processes that could detrimentally impact the mRNA-vaccinated population.”

  47. Slowly at first says:

    No electricity = No hygiene

    • banned says:

      You do realize much of the world lives with no or limited electricity?

      • Withnail says:

        They may not have it themselves but they live in cities that have it for essential functions like tap water and sewage.

      • Slowly at first says:

        e.g., electric water heater and dishwasher

      • and have you seen their hygeine arrangements?

        • banned says:

          Norman Ive seen someone arrange their dhoti and take a nice poop on the street into open sewer more than once.

          Open sewers are actually not open. There is a crust on top that forms three separate layers. The top is quite hard the next two less hard.

          Its like a parfait.

          Does this answer your question?

          A toothbrush does not require electricity.
          Nor does washing yourself.
          They do require water.

          Hygiene does not end with no electricity. Nor does taking responsibility for your poop. Composting in some ways is more easy than our complex water intensive waste treatment that often yields less than favorable end product. Ask any waste water technician how many 55 gallon barrels of bleach they have gone through when a waste treatment system fails. Composting most certainly beats open sewage direct to the nearest river with no treatment and turds floating down the street during the monsoon. As I mentioned sawdust is good to have around. A couple cubic meters goes a long way.

          If you wish to stop brushing your teeth if the power goes off be my guest. The sun still shines. The birds still chirp.

          • eKnock says:

            Joe Jenkins deserves the “Beyond Noble Prize” for his work on managing human feces.

            If there are any people around in fifty years, just think of the disgust when the oldsters tell the youngsters that “in the old days the white people had these bowl chairs and they put good drinking water in the bowl and then they sat down and shit in it”.

          • in case you hadn’t noticed, in the industrial developed world our sewers are closed.

            As quick history lesson, (which no doubt you already know) london sewers were enclosed in the 1870s

            It was done because the city was becoming literally unlivable..

            It required 6 million bricks–
            the necessary heat to fire them’ a supply of fresh water flowing through the system–
            steam powered pumps. (+ coal) which are now electric–
            Pumps at the other end of the system to push wastes out to sea.–

            Most of your comments can be ignored banned—(I’m not even sure if this one was meant to be taken seriously)

            Bleach was first used in 1847–I won’t go into ‘making it’

            Yet you airily advocate using bleach as if its a product that will always be readily available—plus a few cu yards of sawdust.


            Our hygenic environment most certainly does end with the end of electricity.

        • banned says:

          Power is off in Ukraine. Should they stop washing their face and brushing their teeth? I hope they have sawdust. f***** war

        • banned says:

          Essential oils. Oregano, Thyme.

    • sciouscience says:

      white ash and black charcoal and the heat from fire can assist with your hygiene.

      • Lidia17 says:

        In the book, “How to Live Like a Tudor”, it was described that people ‘washed’ much of the surface of their bodies by rubbing their skin vigourously with a coarse linen towel.. what we’d call ‘exfoliation’ now.

      • Withnail says:

        We won’t have any fuel for fires.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          It’s amazing how many things preppers take for granted… they are generally totally clueless..

          They think there will be Sunday markets where they can sell their veggies and buy organic honey + arts and crafts

          hahahahahahhahahahahaha… WTF

          • Withnail says:

            The only reason there are any trees standing is because we currently have something else to burn.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              The world would go Haiti real quick…

            • JesseJames says:

              Trees remaining will depend on the nature of collapse. If sudden and widespread loss of the grid occurs, the FF will disappear when used up. Current tree harvesting depends on widespread availability of diesel and gas.
              The old system of harvesting timber depended upon a support system also. Mainly…horses and mules to serve as transport for the felled trees. This system does not now exist. People will die of starvation before they can harvest the trees manually. There will be a culling…and then…the majority of people are…gone.
              Surprisingly, many trees in certain areas might remain.

            • banned says:

              “Surprisingly, many trees in certain areas might remain.”

              Especially with a good steward like yourself. A worthy task.

              In the southwest forested unoccupied land can find itself harvested in a matter of days by crews of poor local crews with chainsaws. Boom in and out.

            • reante says:

              Agree, Jesse, if it’s a pretty hard stop then the vast majority of grass and agricultural land on the planet will reforest itself as an unstoppable force of nature.

    • Van Kent says:

      What investions were needed for exponential population growth?

      1723 Modern dentistry invented, (before that “teeth” were the fifth or sixth leading cause of death)
      1775 Water closet, toilet with S-trap patented
      1796 Vaccinations programmes started. Modern programme for children and adults cover 13 over different diseases. From 1800 to about 1870, the major causes of death in children were tuberculosis, diarrhea of infancy, bacillary dysentery, typhoid fever, and the highly contagious diseases of childhood, especially scarlet fever, diphtheria, and lobar pneumonia
      1818 Blood transfusions invented
      1827 Water filters for access to clean water invented
      1846 Anesthesia Surgery invented
      1880 Pasteur, food hygienie invented
      1909 Haber Bosch synthetic fertilizers increase amount and types of foods
      1928 Antibiotics invented
      Most of the decline in mortality between 1870 and 1940 was driven by declines in infection-related mortality in children and young adults, with the most rapid improvements occurring in the period 1900–1940
      1950 Infant and Maternality midwifery programmes on a large scale

      So.. when prepping.. and putting only essentials in your bug out bag.. remember to include:
      – add one dentist
      – add one MD
      – add a biochar kiln for water filters
      – add a few hundred jars and cans of fermented foods
      – add one surgeon
      – add one medical factory to produce antibiotics
      And for good measure.. add one midwife to your bug out bag..
      And then you are ready to go..

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Malnutrition = susceptibility to disease…

        • drb753 says:

          I totally agree. If you were not spamming this group so much I would have given you a Like. With proper nutrition dentists and doctors are unnecessary. For the infectious part, keep your animals outside with plenty of space. It would be more important to have someone who can work with metal, a stone sharpener, matches, and a few hand cranked pumps. Also a bicycle powered UV lamp if you want vitamin D from ruminant skin fat.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            I am not interested in likes. In fact I don’t want any likes.. that would be to mainstream…

            Fast is all about Pure Logic .. Pure … GREATNESS…. why would HE need likes?

            He knows he is right … likes are for low esteem feeble minded weaklings… they crave them.

            • banned says:

              Now Eddy. I seem to remember you mentioning a literary work of yours got some likes on another forum. You didnt seem unpleased…

              All hail Fast Eddy owner of Hoolio! The one. The only! The champ!

            • i’ve always wanted to meet someone who is always right

              could you let me have next weeks lottery numbers eddy?

          • banned says:

            Perhaps there should be a “withholding a like as punishment” button.

      • one invention need for exponential growth

        the modern steam engine—around 1776

        that made everything else possible

        • sciouscience says:

          Pagett- If you have a few hours for fiction: The Difference Engine by Bruce Sterling and William Gibson speculates an UK in which a computing device is invented a few years later.

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