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Most people have a simple, but wrong, idea about how the world economy will respond to “not enough energy to go around.” They expect that oil prices will rise. With these higher prices, producers will be able to extract more fossil fuels so the system can go on as before. They also believe that wind turbines, solar panels and other so-called renewables can be made with these fossil fuels, perhaps extending the life of the system further.
The insight people tend to miss is the fact that the world’s economy is a physics-based, self-organizing system. Such economies grow for many years, but ultimately, they collapse. The underlying problem is that the population tends to grow too rapidly relative to the energy supplies necessary to support that population. History shows that such collapses take place over a period of years. The question becomes: What happens to an economy beginning its path toward full collapse?
One of the major uses for fossil fuel energy is to add complexity to the system. For example, roads, electricity transmission lines, and long-distance trade are forms of complexity that can be added to the economy using fossil fuels.
When energy per capita falls, it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain the complexity that has been put in place. It becomes too expensive to properly maintain roads, electrical services become increasingly intermittent, and trade is reduced. Long waits for replacement parts become common. These little problems build on one another to become bigger problems. Eventually, major parts of the world’s economy start failing completely.
When people forecast ever-rising energy prices, they miss the fact that market fossil fuel prices consider both oil producers and consumers. From the producer’s point of view, the price for oil needs to be high enough that new oil fields can be profitably developed. From the consumer’s point of view, the price of oil needs to be sufficiently low that food and other goods manufactured using oil products are affordable. In practice, oil prices tend to rise and fall, and rise again. On average, they don’t satisfy either the oil producers or the consumers. This dynamic tends to push the economy downward.
There are many other changes, as well, as fossil fuel energy per capita falls. Without enough energy products to go around, conflict tends to rise. Economic growth slows and turns to economic contraction, creating huge strains for the financial system. In this post, I will try to explain a few of the issues involved.
[1] What is complexity?
Complexity is anything that gives structure or organization to the overall economic system. It includes any form of government or laws. The educational system is part of complexity. International trade is part of complexity. The financial system, with its money and debt, is part of complexity. The electrical system, with all its transmission needs, is part of complexity. Roads, railroads, and pipelines are part of complexity. The internet system and cloud storage are part of complexity.
Wind turbines and solar panels are only possible because of complexity and the availability of fossil fuels. Storage systems for electricity, food, and fossil fuels are all part of complexity.
With all this complexity, plus the energy needed to support the complexity, the economy is structured in a very different way than it would be without fossil fuels. For example, without fossil fuels, a high percentage of workers would make a living by performing subsistence agriculture. Complexity, together with fossil fuels, allows the wide range of occupations that are available today.
[2] The big danger, as energy consumption per capita falls, is that the economy will start losing complexity. In fact, there is some evidence that loss of complexity has already begun.
In my most recent post, I mentioned that Professor Joseph Tainter, author of the book, The Collapse of Complex Societies, says that when energy supplies are inadequate, the resulting economic system will need to simplify–in other words, lose some of its complexity. In fact, we can see that such loss of complexity started happening as early as the Great Recession in 2008-2009.
The world was on a fossil fuel energy consumption per capita plateau between 2007 and 2019. It now seems to be in danger of falling below this level. It fell in 2020, and only partially rebounded in 2021. When it tried to rebound further in 2022, it hit high price limits, reducing demand.
There was a big dip in energy consumption per capita in 2008-2009 when the economy encountered the Great Recession. If we compare Figure 2 and Figure 3, we see that the big drop in energy consumption is matched by a big drop in trade as a percentage of GDP. In fact, the drop in trade after the 2008-2009 recession never rebounded to the former level.
Another type of loss of complexity involves the drop in the recent number of college students. The number of students was rising rapidly between 1950 and 2010, so the downward trend represents a significant shift.
The shutdowns of 2020 added further shifts toward less complexity. Broken supply lines became more of a problem. Empty shelves in stores became common, as did long waits for newly ordered appliances and replacement parts for cars. People stopped buying as many fancy clothes. Brick and mortar stores did less well financially. In person conferences became less popular.
We know that, in the past, economies that collapsed lost complexity. In some cases, tax revenue fell too low for governments to maintain their programs. Citizens became terribly unhappy with the poor level of government services being provided, and they overthrew the governmental system.
The US Department of Energy states that it will be necessary to double or triple the size of the US electric grid to accommodate the proposed level of clean energy, including EVs, by 2050. This is, of course, a kind of complexity. If we are already having difficulty with maintaining complexity, how do we expect to double or triple the size of the US electric grid? The rest of the world would likely need such an upgrade, as well. A huge increase in fossil fuel energy, as well as complexity, would be required.
[3] The world’s economy is a physics-based system, called a dissipative structure.
Energy products of the right kinds are needed to make goods and services. With shrinking per capita energy, there will likely not be enough goods and services produced to maintain consumption at the level citizens are used to. Without enough goods and services to go around, conflict tends to grow.
Instead of growing and experiencing economies of scale, businesses will find that they need to shrink back. This makes it difficult to repay debt with interest, among other things. Governments will likely need to cut back on programs. Some governmental organizations may fail completely.
To a significant extent, how these changes happen is related to the maximum power principle, postulated by ecologist Howard T. Odum. Even when some inputs are inadequate, self-organizing ecosystems try to maintain themselves, as best possible, with the reduced supplies. Odum said, “During self-organization, system designs develop and prevail that maximize power intake, energy transformation, and those uses that reinforce production and efficiency.” As I see the situation, the self-organizing economy tends to favor the parts of the economy that can best handle the energy shortfall that will be taking place.
In Sections [4], [5], and [6], we will see that this methodology seems to lead to a situation in which competition leads to different parts of the economy (energy producers and energy consumers) being alternately disadvantaged. This approach leads to a situation in which the human population declines more slowly than in either of the other possible outcomes:
- Energy producers win, and high energy prices prevail – The real outcome would be that high prices for food and heat for homes would quickly kill off much of the world’s population because of lack of affordability.
- Energy consumers always win, and low energy prices prevail – The real outcome would be that energy supplies would fall very rapidly because of inadequate prices. Population would fall quickly because of a lack of energy supplies (particularly diesel fuel) needed to maintain food supplies.
[4] Prices: Competition between producers and customers will lead to fossil fuel energy prices that alternately rise and fall as extraction limits are hit. In time, this pattern can be expected to lead to falling fossil fuel energy production.
Energy prices are set through competition between:
[a] The prices that consumers can afford to pay for end products whose costs are indirectly determined by fossil fuel prices. Food, transportation, and home heating costs are especially fossil fuel price sensitive. Poor people are the most quickly affected by rising fossil fuel prices.
[b] The prices that producers require to profitably produce these fuels. These prices have been rising rapidly because the easy-to-extract portions were removed earlier. For example, the Wall Street Journal is reporting, “Frackers Increase Spending but See Limited Gains.”
If fossil fuel prices rise, the indirect result is inflation in the cost of many goods and services. Consumers become unhappy when inflation affects their lifestyles. They may demand that politicians put price caps in place to somehow stop this inflation. They may encourage politicians to find ways to subsidize costs, so that the higher costs are transferred to a different part of the economy. At the same time, the producers need the high prices, to be able to fund the greater reinvestment necessary to maintain, and even raise, future fossil fuel energy production.
The conflict between the high price producers need and the low prices that many consumers can afford is what leads to temporarily spiking energy prices. In fact, food prices tend to spike, too, since food is a kind of energy product for humans, and fossil fuel energy products (oil, especially) are used in growing and transporting the food products. In their book, Secular Cycles, researchers Peter Turchin and Sergey Nefedov report a pattern of spiking prices in their analysis of historical economies that eventually collapsed.
With oil prices spiking only temporarily, energy prices are, on average, too low for fossil fuel producers to afford adequate funds for reinvestment. Without adequate funds for reinvestment, production begins to fall. This is especially a problem as fields deplete, and funds needed for reinvestment rise to very high levels.
[5] Demand for Discretionary Goods and Services: Indirectly, demand for goods and services, especially in discretionary sectors of the economy, will also tend to get squeezed back by the rounds of inflation caused by spiking energy prices described in Item [4].
When customers are faced with higher prices because of spiking inflation rates, they will tend to reduce spending on discretionary items. For example, they will go out to eat less and spend less money at hair salons. They may travel less on vacation. Multiple generation families may move in together to save money. People will continue to buy food and beverages since these are essential.
Businesses in discretionary areas of the economy will be affected by this lower demand. They will buy fewer raw materials, including energy products, reducing the overall demand for energy products, and tending to pull energy prices down. These businesses may need to lay off workers and/or default on their debt. Laying off workers may further reduce demand for goods and services, pushing the economy toward recession, debt defaults, and thus lower energy prices.
We find that in some historical accounts of collapses, demand ultimately falls to close to zero. For example, see Revelation 18:11-13 regarding the fall of Babylon, and the lack of demand for goods, including the energy product of the day: slaves.
[6] Higher Interest Rates: Banks will respond to rounds of inflation described in Item [4] by demanding higher interest rates to offset the loss of buying power and the greater likelihood of default. These higher interest rates will have adverse impacts of their own on the economy.
If inflation becomes a problem, banks will want higher interest rates to try to offset the adverse impact of inflation on buying power. These higher interest rates will tend to reduce demand for goods that are often bought with debt, such as homes, cars, and new factories. As a result, the sale prices of these assets are likely to fall. Higher interest rates will tend to produce the same effect for many types of assets, including stocks and bonds. To make matters worse, defaults on loans may also rise, leading to write-offs for the organizations carrying these loans on their balance sheets. For example, the used car dealer Caravan is reported to be near bankruptcy because of issues related to falling used car prices, higher interest rates, and higher default rates on debt.
An even more serious problem with higher interest rates is the harm they do to the balance sheets of banks, insurance companies, and pension funds. If bonds were previously purchased at a lower interest rate, the value of the bonds is less at a higher interest rate. Accounting for these organizations can temporarily hide the problem if interest rates quickly revert to the lower level at which they were purchased. The real problem occurs if inflation is persistent, as it seems to be now, or if interest rates keep rising.
[7] A second major conflict (after the buyer/producer conflict in Item [4], [5], and [6]) is the conflict in how the output of goods and services should be split between returns to complexity and returns to basic production of necessary goods including food, water, and mineral resources such as fossil fuels, iron, nickel, copper, and lithium.
Growing complexity in many forms is something that we have come to value. For example, physicians now earn high wages in the US. People in top management positions in companies often earn very high wages. The top people in large companies that buy food from farmers earn high wages, but farmers producing cattle or growing crops don’t fare nearly as well.
As energy supply becomes more constrained, the huge chunks of output taken by those with advanced degrees and high positions within the large companies gets to be increasingly problematic. The high incomes of citizens in major cities contrasts with the low incomes in rural areas. Resentment among people living in rural areas grows when they compare themselves to how well people in urbanized areas are doing. People in rural areas talk about wanting to secede from the US and wanting to form their own country.
There are also differences among countries in how well their economies get rewarded for the goods and services they produce. The United States, the EU, and Japan have been able to get better rewards for the complex goods that they produce (such as banking services, high-tech medicine, and high-tech agricultural products) compared to Russia and the oil exporting countries of the Middle East. This is another source of conflict.
Comparing countries in terms of per capita GDP on a Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) basis, we find that the countries that focus on complexity have significantly higher PPP GDP per capita than the other areas listed. This creates resentment among countries with lower per-capita PPP GDP.
Russia and the Arab World, with all their energy supplies, come out behind. Ukraine does particularly poorly.
The conflict between Russia and Ukraine is between two countries that are doing poorly on this metric. Ukraine is also much smaller than Russia. It appears that Russia is in a conflict with a competitor that it is likely to be able to defeat, unless NATO members, including the US, can give immense support to Ukraine. As I discuss in the next section, the industrial ability of the US and the EU is waning, making it difficult for such support to be available.
[8] As conflict becomes a major issue, which economy is largest and is best able to defend itself becomes more important.
Back in 1990, the EU had a greater PPP GDP than did either the US or China. Now, the US is a little ahead of the EU. More importantly, China has come from way behind both the US and EU, and now is clearly ahead of both in PPP GDP.
We often hear that the US is the largest economy, but this is only true if GDP is measured in current US dollars. If differences in actual purchasing power are reflected, China is significantly ahead. China is also far ahead in total electricity production and in many types of industrial output, including cement, steel, and rare earth minerals.
The conflict in Ukraine is now leading countries to take sides, with Russia and China on the same side, and the United States together with the EU on Ukraine’s side. While the US has many military bases around the world, its military capabilities have increasingly been stretched thin. The US is a major oil producer, but the mix of oil it produces is of lower and lower average quality, especially if obtaining diesel and jet fuel from it are top priorities.
Huge pressure is building now for China and Russia to trade in their own currencies, rather than the US dollar, putting pressure on the US financial system and its status as the reserve currency. It is also not clear whether the US would be able to fight on more than one front in a conventional war. A conflict with Iran has been mentioned as a possibility, as has a conflict with China over Taiwan. It is not at all clear that a conflict between NATO and China-Russia is winnable by the NATO forces, including the US.
It appears to me that, to save fuel, more regionalization of trade is necessary with the Asian countries being primary trading partners of each other, rather than the rest of the world. If such a regionalization takes place, the US will be at a disadvantage. It currently depends on supply lines stretching around the world for computers, cell phones, and other high-tech devices. Without these supply lines, the standards of living in the US and the EU would likely decline quickly.
[9] Clearly, the narratives that politicians and the news media tell citizens are under pressure. Even if they understand the true situation, politicians need a different narrative to tell voters and young people wondering about what career to pursue.
Every politician would like a “happily ever after” story to tell citizens. Fortunately, from the point of view of politicians, there are lots of economists and scientists who put together what I call “overly simple” models of the economy. With these overly simple models of the economy, there is no problem ahead. They believe the standard narrative about oil and other energy prices rising indefinitely, so there is no energy problem. Instead, our only problem is climate change and the need to transition to green energy.
The catch is that our ability to scale up green energy is just an illusion, built on the belief that complexity can scale up indefinitely without the use of fossil fuels.
We are left with a major problem: Our current complex economy is in danger of degrading remarkably in the next few years, but we have no replacement available. Even before then, we may need to do battle, in new ways, with other countries for the limited resources that are available.
Out-of-Towners Head to ‘Climate-Proof Duluth’
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/realestate/duluth-minnesota-climate-change.html
The former industrial town in Minnesota is coming to terms with its status as a refuge for people moving from across the country because of climate change.
Mr. Jenkins, 38, is a child of Orange County. But a decade ago, looking to escape overpopulation and intensifying wildfires, he took a chance and settled in Duluth, Minn., where temperatures can dip 30 degrees below zero.
Hundreds of like-minded new residents have since joined him, coming from California, Colorado and New Mexico and changing the face of this erstwhile manufacturing town on the western edge of Lake Superior. Dubbed “climate-proof Duluth” in 2019 by Jesse Keenan, a Tulane University professor who was lecturing at Harvard at the time, Duluth has been hailed for its ample supply of freshwater, as well as its location — buffered from sea-level rise in the Upper Midwest — and temperatures, which run mild in the summer and colder than cold in the winter.
Duluth saw 2,494 new residents from out of state over the last five years, according to the American Community Survey. Many came armed with cash from home sales in more expensive cities and towns, as well as a newfound ability to do their jobs remotely. Real estate agents in Duluth say that nearly every out-of-town client now mentions concerns about rising temperatures and natural disasters as a motivation for their move.
“Real estate and climate change cannot be separated,” said Shawn McCoy, a professor of real estate and economics at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. He studies what he refers to as “the tug of war between risks and amenities” in the real estate market, and said that as knowledge of climate change increases, its influence on where people settle is growing.
What about heating themselves in the Winter? Never mind getting around when fossil fuels are not available….???
Suppose it’s a gamble..either risk hurricanes, droughts and tornadoes in the Southern Eastern US or what California has now…extremes on bother sides…
As Millions of Solar Panels Age Out, Recyclers Hope to Cash In
Photovoltaic panels contain valuable metals, including silver and copper—but the supply of expired panels may overwhelm the capacity to process them
https://www.wired.com/story/as-millions-of-solar-panels-age-out-recyclers-hope-to-cash-in/amp
….This process offers a glimpse of what could happen to an expected surge of retired solar panels that will stream from an industry that represents the fastest-growing source of energy in the US. Today, roughly 90 percent of panels in the US that have lost their efficiency due to age, or that are defective, end up in landfills because that option costs a fraction of recycling them.
But recycling advocates in the US say increased reuse of valuable materials, like silver and copper, would help boost the circular economy, in which waste and pollution are reduced by constantly reusing materials. According to a 2021 report by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), recycling PV panels could also cut the risk of landfills leaking toxins into the environment; increase the stability of a supply chain that is largely dependent on imports from Southeast Asia; lower the cost of raw materials to solar and other types of manufacturers; and expand market opportunities for US recyclers.
Of course, reusing degraded but still-functional panels is an even better option. Millions of these panels now end up in developing nations, while others are reused closer to home. For example, SolarCycle is building a power plant for its Texas factory that will use refurbished modules.
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Solar capacity across all segments in the US is expected to rise by an average of 21 percent a year from 2023 to 2027, according to the latest quarterly report from the Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA) and the consulting firm Wood Mackenzie. The expected increase will be helped by the landmark Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 which, among other supports for renewable energy, will provide a 30 percent tax credit for residential solar installations.
The area covered by solar panels that were installed in the US as of 2021 and are due to retire by 2030 would cover about 3,000 American football fields, according to an
NREL estimate. “It’s a good bit of waste,” said Taylor Curtis, a legal and regulatory analyst at the lab. But the industry’s recycling rate, at less than 10 percent, lags far behind the upbeat forecasts for the industry’s growth.
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Jesse Simons, a cofounder of SolarCycle, which employs about 30 people and began operations last December, said solid waste landfills typically charge $1 to $2 to accept a solar panel, rising to around $5 if the material is deemed hazardous waste. By contrast, his company charges $18 per panel. Clients are willing to pay that rate because they may be unable to find a landfill licensed to accept hazardous waste and assume legal liability for it, and because they want to minimize the environmental impact of their old panels, said Simons, a former Sierra Club executive.
SolarCycle provides its clients with an environmental analysis that shows the benefits of panel recycling. For example, recycling aluminum uses 95 percent less energy than making virgin aluminum, which bears the costs of mining the raw material, bauxite, and then transporting and refining it.
The company estimates that recycling each panel avoids the emissions of 97 pounds of CO2; the figure rises to more than 1.5 tons of CO2 if a panel is reused. Under a proposed US Securities and Exchange Commission rule, publicly held companies will be required to disclose climate-related risks that are likely to have a material impact on their business, including their greenhouse gas emissions.
……..At some point in the future, you are going to see enough panels being decommissioned that you kind of have to start recycling,” Bakke said. “It will become profitable by itself regardless of commodity prices.”
Rather long article much more in the link….doubt we will have enough surplus energy to recycle as proposed
“doubt we will have enough surplus energy to recycle as proposed”
That was exactly my thought also. They will stay where they are, and runoff will pollute the ground water.
Plastics industry set up some recycling centres when the pressure was on them to reduce landfill. Lots of publicity to show how wonderful the industry was for the planet…nothing to see here…keep buying.
Then when the camera’s turned off, so were the recycling plants.
Greenwash.
Hogwash.
I believe NPR covered this.
So here we are again; a puff piece to placate the morons.
Aluminum frames I can believe; the rest not so much.
‘It will become profitable by itself regardless of commodity prices.”
Really, like Nuclear power was too cheap to meter?!
The thing is…
When was the last time you encountered someone in person who was not captured by CNNBBC…
You’d have better luck trying to get a date with an SI Swimsuit model…
People are MOREONS. Billions upon billions of MOREONS. Circus and Barnyard Animals… living in their false worlds…
I am to the point of accepting that I will meet only MOREONS in real life… I used to hold out hope that I might encounter a White Whale… but as the years pass.. it never happens…
The default setting and assumption is MOREON…
Bank run contagion continues, customers are pulling their funds from First Republic Bank. Expect it to fail tomorrow.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11849049/Customers-line-outside-Republic-Bank-money-SVB-bank-collapsed.html
More government debt, like inflation is not already spiralling.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11849995/Fears-existential-threat-British-tech-firms-collapse-Silicon-Valley-Bank.html
> British tech firms left on the brink after Silicon Valley Bank collapses in biggest failure since 2008 crash: Jeremy Hunt warns of ‘serious risk’ to UK businesses but promises help (and won’t rule out bailout) after crisis talks with PM and Bank of England
Chancellor Jeremy Hunt today warned of a ‘serious risk’ to top British firms following the shock failure of a major US bank.
The collapse of Silicon Valley Bank has been the largest failure of a US bank since the 2008 financial crisis and sparked fears about the impact on businesses worldwide.
The Chancellor this morning also refused to rule out a taxpayer-funded bailout to protect affected businesses.
There are also fears the crash of the bank will spread around the world, with bases in countries including China, India and across Europe.
As announced on March 15, 2020, the Board reduced reserve requirement ratios to zero percent effective March 26, 2020. This action eliminated reserve requirements for all depository institutions. https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/reservereq.htm
March 24, 2020 CDC changes disease reporting procedures to ramp up deaths by and with Covid. On March 26, 2020 Fauci is quoted in a NEJM article saying Sars-CoV2 is more akin to the pandemic flu of 1957 and 1968 rather than a killer like MERS or SARS1.
From ZH comments:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1097633/cet1-ratio-large-banks-usa/
Tier 1 capital requirements trump reserves…
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tier-1-capital-ratio.asp
Reserves are a subset of Tier 1 capital. The base minimum is 5% + stress test limits which are typically at least 2.5%
The item you referenced is so that banks are not subject to “mark to market.”
Bank runs are entertaining. Lockdowns stop bank runs and save energy.
Go for it
Thx Gail!
The Western banking cartels $1.2Q derivatives market is mainly connected to interest rates
High inflation forced the banks to raise interest rates… which then forced the Fed to follow
I wonder if there have appeared cracks in the derivatives market?
Why is it that few talk about Climate Change as an existential problem on OFW? Is it because the overriding belief is depleting fossil fuels will lead to civilisational collapse much quicker than CC?
James Hanson says plus 10 degrees within 400 years, and therefore extinction.
https://www.ecoshock.org/2023/01/hansen-a-world-10-degrees-c-hotter.html
The climate change narrative seems to have grown up in denial of the near term fossil fuel limits we are reaching. The fossil fuel limits are hitting right now, and in the next ten to twenty years. The climate change narrative gives an excuse to cut back on fossil fuels without mentioning the real reason: we can’t get the price high enough for them to be extracted.
The climate has always been changing. Think about the Garden of Eden story. It is set in Iraq, in the area of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. It clearly was a warm wet area back a few thousand years ago when this story originated. Now, it clearly is not. The narrative that humans can change their behavior, and thereby make the climate change, is nonsense as well. Humans need to eat; they need jobs to pay for the basic things in life.
The obstacle we are hitting is “overshoot and collapse,” which hundreds or thousands of economies have hit before. But no one can consider this possibility. It much more pleasant to talk about something we supposedly can deal with and change.
It is easy for “scientific” modelers to put together models that say that there is a huge amount of fossil fuels that can be extracted from the ground. With our current economy, we cannot get these fossil fuels out, however. There is lots of coal under the North Sea, for example, but it is nowhere near economic to extract it. There is lots of coal in Alaska, where it is difficult to extract it and ship it. There seems to be a lot of natural gas around the world, if the price could go high enough. The economy doesn’t run on very high fossil fuel prices, however. The price of food becomes extremely high, “pricing out” poor people, is just one of the problems. Home heating becomes impossible.
Even “Energy Return on Energy Invested” Modelers have helped spread the false story that wind and solar can substitute for fossil fuels, by the model that doesn’t have enough variables in it. The intermittent electricity from wind and solar is worth very little. It doesn’t help grow food, is a big issue. The solar comes in summer, predominantly, so it is useless for home heating.
biblical flood legends were almost certainly the inundation of the Black sea depression 16000 years ago. We had language then, and the means of telling stories.
so it got built into the history of many tribes and religions—It had to be the work of “god’.
Look at the Bosphorus strait—it’s a tap running into a sink. Once water rose to overtop it—the deluge would have been colossal
this was caused by post ice age sea level rise
this was the possible process that altered the climate in the middle east—ie gave rise to the leaving garden of eden stories.
my point being that the process of these events carried over thousands of years, and had different effects in different parts of the world on different peoples.
Ice ages are about 100k years–peak to peak.
Climate change? Certainly. Right now we are enjoying life between those peaks. But that has been CC on a different timescale
the difference in our own time is. that we have changed the climate in about 200 years. Referring CC to events that took maybe 10000 years to happen is to mask the reality of our present by hinging it on what happened in the past
“biblical flood legends were almost certainly the inundation of the Black sea depression 16000”
I agree.
But where did the Garden of Eden story come from?
when reason and abstract thought began to take shape in the minds of our ancestors, the obvious question was:
Where did we originate”?
The umbilical cord passing from mother to child required a ‘start’ somewhere.
we are conscious of 3 generations–no more than 4, but we are ‘here’—so a story had to be concocted to answer that question, beyond our ancestral physical memory.
ritualised burials go back 40k years at least, meaning there was awareness of ‘afterlife’–otherwise ceremony would be pointless.
so the original ‘mother’ (there had to have been one) could not have had an umbilical cord for her birth–obviously.
if she didnt, then she could only have been ‘placed’ there by a supreme being, to whom sex was unnecessary–hence ‘sin free’.
She must have been placed in a ‘garden’ that satisfied all her needs. Hence garden of Eden. in primitive terms of desert nomads, this made perfect sense. Sex was unnecessary, her life was eternal.
the ‘garden of eden’ in desert terms, was what they had lost, and thus lived in a desert. There would also be folk ,memories of a green sahara, say, or arabiai–who knows?
There was one need the garden couldn’t satisfy however. And we all know women are temptresses.
And so Eve dumped her fig leaf in the recycling and made Adam an offer he couldn’t refuse.
Notice the similarity of word Eve and Evil?–men are weird critters.
This provides the excuse for men to fornicate as they wish, while women must stay ‘chaste’ (cant figure that one out)
The ‘great flood’ and garden of eden just got overlaid by time and legend, told and retold.
Now millions believe the literal truth of it
But simple when you work it out.
I agree with most of what you wrote there, Norman, but the filling of the Black Sea was not only awe-inspiringly rapid and colossal, it was also amazingly recent.
In 2001, Ian Wilson wrote a book (270 pages + references) called Before the Flood—The Biblical Flood as a Real Event and How it Changed the Course of Civilization. In it, he describes how in the 1990s, research showed that freshwater mollusks living all around the shallows of Black Sea “died at one and the same time” and the date, established by radio-carbon dating, was 5600 BC, or less than 8,000 years ago.
I can’t find an online link to the text of that book, but this webpage is interesting, borrowing heavily from WIlson, and also giving a more up-to-date of what likely happened, and also covering flooding of the Black Sea from the Caspian.
https://www.theposthole.org/read/article/484
The Black Sea Deluge
As the glaciers continued to melt at the end of the last Ice Age, global sea levels rose but the Black Sea Lake continued to have no inlet into it from the Mediterranean to link it with global sea-levels, The Bosporus Strait simply did not exist but instead formed a dam. The Black Sea Depression was filled solely with the outflows from the Danube, Dnieper, Dniester, Don and Kuban rivers, since these inputs were all freshwater, resulting in the formation of a vast freshwater lake known as the Black Sea Lake (Wilson 2001).
The end of the Younger Dryas brought a change in the location of the glacial meltwater. Rather than emptying into the Black Sea Lake, as it had previously, it went northwards to flood the North Sea. Therefore, the millennia between 10,500 BC and 5000 BCE saw a massive rise in sea levels, but the Black Sea Lake saw its water line drop. According to the Black Sea deluge hypothesis, the Bosporus, which is still a submarine high, acted as a land bridge, separating the Mediterranean from the Black Sea Lake, was placed under ever increasing pressure as it held back the entire, and rising, Mediterranean (Ryan et al. 1997). Over time due to the colossal hydraulic force of the entirety of the world’s ocean acting upon an increasingly fragile dyke the land-bridge inevitably broke (Wilson 2001).
The Anatolia region is the collision point for several continental plates, so large seismic events are commonplace (Bozkurt 2001). Around 5600 BCE, the Bosporus dam broke. Because the water level in the Black Sea depression was so much lower than the Mediterranean, it would have formed a giant waterfall. According to Ryan et al. (1997) and Ryan and Pitman (1998), approximately 100,000 km2 of previously eroded land that now makes up the Black Sea’s continental shelf was submerged within a couple of years (Fig 1). According to their calculations Ryan et al. (1997) suggested a flux in excess of 50km3 (12 miles3) per day, filling the lake at a rate approaching 10’s of cm per day. Although this is very impressive, and roughly two hundred times the amount that flows over Niagara Falls each day, it still pales in comparison to flooding of the Mediterranean 5.97-5.33 million year ago (see Micallef et al. 2018).
thanks for that input and link Tim
its straightened out out a few of the ideas i’ve had on it for sme time—i wasn’t sure if the Bosphorus open as the result of seimic action—i thought it might have
also the idea of the Meditterean infall too
Said lightly and not sarcastically. You are making it very hard to make good “farming” decisions. It’s the inputs and it is the demand.
Thought, between electrics and declining fuel usage one would expect corn prices to decline; 40% or more of corn is used for ethanol which is a political fuel. Doe this imply the price of land goes down? If one sold the land does one take fiat currency? If one takes gold can one remember where it was buried?
For all you gold buffs, the problem is storage and transaction costs. Some might even recall a historical event where an individual took umbrage over temples used by money changers. A guess: there were transaction costs kicked up to the “owners” of the temple. It is always the money.
Decisions, decisions.
Dennis L.
Solar is wonderful! We run a few panels on a small batterie and generate enough except 3 months in winter to run light, with some saving tricks, and load mobiles and on a sunny morning a notebook. It can fuel even the electric sewing machine, a printer or an electric drill.
It cannot be used to load a car, run the washing machine or only a fridge. I doubt it will ever produce even what has been invested energetically, including alu frames, glass, thick wiring (for DC are needed thick copper cables), multiple batteries that have to be replaced frequently or transportation.
It definitely not be used to run our economy!
Perhaps the situation in Spain or California is a bit better – but for sure not enough.
“Greenhouse gasses, principally CO2, have controlled most ancient climate changes. This time around humans are the cause, mainly by our CO2 emissions.”
https://skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period.htm
At least, this is what some people think.
Others, though, remain very skeptical of Skeptical Science, or even cynical.
It’s complete utter rubbish.
We exist next to a thermonuclear leviathan for crying out loud!
CO2???……LMAO!!
Only moderns would refuse to simply look up to see the fire in the sky.
It giveth and by god it will taketh away.
Not only does it give off humongous amounts of heat and other kids of radiation, but also envelops us in a mammoth plasma sheath.
The amount of current flowing inside and into the sun and solar system is unfathomable.
Like living inside a faraday cage that shields us from the horrors of radiation.
Go read some A. Peratt, H. Alfvén and W. Thornhill, etc.
But hey, CO2 and windmills. Cuz. Hopium and copium.
🥱
And MOREONS will MOREON… for some reason they are unable to UN-MORE-ON
Why is it that few talk about Climate Change as an existential problem on OFW? >/i>
It’s real but the law of entropy tells us there is absolutely nothing we can do about it.
We would only create even more pollution trying to remove pollution from the air.
The problem will fix itself when fossil fuel based activity ceases and the majority of humans die of starvation/war/disease.
All industrial process are moved to space, the moon, mars, chose one. All energy is fusion from the sun, all pollution, nah, not even worth worrying about.
Dennis L.
All industrial process are moved to space, the moon, mars, chose one. All energy is fusion from the sun, all pollution, nah, not even worth worrying about.
When do you expect the process of moving industrial processes to space to begin?
Who exactly will be making the colossal investments necessary for this to happen?
Could it be that the US is not as rich and powerful as you believe it is and in fact gets by mostly with bluff and bluster on the world stage?
If Elon’s large craft, Starship, makes it to orbit and works, there is a chance, if it doesn’t, then things are not looking good unless someone invents a transporter. His smaller stuff seems to work very well. It would be ironic if the problem is not in the rocket but in building a structure capable of withstanding the rocket b last of the engines.
Elon is getting huge amounts of capital, it is coming from somewhere. We are not the only ones aware of the problems, hopefully “They will think of something.”
Are you being facetious?
Moving polluting industry to space would make every industrial product prohibitively expensive… Not to mention taking hundreds of years to complete.
There’s a reason why Fast Eddy pre-deletes everything involving Dennis… a quick search .. and mass delete… ahhhhhhh…..
I really don’t get why this massive machine is being produced. It seems to be for human habitation, which, we know isn’t feasible for more than a few hours.
Instead, lets get construction robots perfected and send them up on small rockets which we appear to be developing today.
In fact, Relativity Space Terran 1 is a mostly 3d printed expendable rocket. Its brilliant, and is just about ready for space. Pair these with robots, and the sky is no longer the limit.
Instead, lets get construction robots perfected and send them up on small rockets which we appear to be developing today.
Is this post satire? We are not currently ‘perfecting construction robots’.
Progress in robots is astounding. 3D printing lends itself nicely here as well. AI is playing a role as well. This might as well be what we, the human species, concentrates on.
For the greenies, it can be sold as solar powered for splitting water into the primary thrust chemicals.
For a moment, try and enjoy something we are gradually getting better at, and can make a real difference. Mind you, I don’t think the mega space craft makes any sense, and there is almost no point in trying to get humans to space.
Progress in robots is astounding.
Where are these amazing robots?
I am already familiar with Musk’s laughable pile of junk and Boston Dynamics’ stuff.
Anything else?
Yeah… see that [anything] in your house or driveway or yard?
The prices of 80″ TVs are less than a couple thousand now because they are nearly entirely manufactured using automated processes. Every aspect from earth removal, to raw materials processing, to placing components, to boxing and placement in shipping containers is automated. Every year, additional human processes are replaced. Its not 100% yet, and having that happen would be troubling, but its obviously the goal.
I never use Amazon because its Amazon, but check out what they have achieved with robots. They are probably the most public about it. They are also aiming for 100%.
As far as space robots go, there are huge challenges yet. Robotic arms have been used for decades. Moving parts tend to weld in space, and crack with extreme temperature changes and differences. These challenges are just that.
Every aspect from earth removal, to raw materials processing, to placing components, to boxing and placement in shipping containers is automated.
I was referring to construction robots as you mentioned not factory machinery.
CNN BBC say that if we all convert to EVS and solar panels we’re saved!
BTW – the reason that BBCCNN are believed is because people are MOREONS>
.. and HUFF> norms favourite
climate change will not lead to any civilizational collapse alone. IIRC you are somewhere in the British Islands. Don’t you like it when you spend less on heating, and you can grow new crops? CC anyway, according to geological record, affects mostly the arctic regions. at the end of the cretaceous we had 3.2 times as much CO2 as today, life in the equatorial regions was plentiful, along with plentiful life in the arctic (much more plentiful than today, since it included also warm climate species).
it the cretacious period–life was certainly plentiful
problem was the energy resource came from critters eating each other.
we may well go back to that—but lets be clear about where we are headed
well, he is worried about CC ending civilization. It doesn’t. I think I was on point.
We cant know which will catch up with us first—CC, FF depletion, diseases…or a combination of all three
this is by far the best summation of the situation that ive ever read i think, as was posted on OFW the other day.
https://regmorrison.edublogs.org/1999/07/19/the-case-against-us/
We cant know which will catch up with us first—CC, FF depletion, diseases…or a combination of all three
We do know, the answer is depletion which will lead to disease and starvation.
CC is not worth a second’s thought because there is nothing we can do about it.
I do what i can to help by not owning a car though i can afford one.
i do agree we can do nothing about it
which is different fron saying its just ‘fake news’
I make that point because as things get worse, the hoax mongers will look to blame everybody and everything, while still denying the facts of CC
this is the danger of it
I can’t disagree more. CC just changes the locally grown crops. Even if the Gulf Stream were to end, in your parts of the world you would still have agriculture. I am to the north of you and can grow several crops. you must be getting your thoughts from some MSM outlet. how can CC end civilization? If anything it is postponing the end, by opening the Arctic for coal and gas.
if the g’stream ended i doubt if uk could feed half of 70m
if cc melted the himalayan glacier, the water supply to india and a lot of china would stop
they would then attack each other—the use of nukes would be certaon
games over for all of us
Thanks for this link. It’s excellent. The comparison of hydroelectric vs. coal was a real eyeopener!
best of all–it was written in 1999 Dennis
An amazing statement, which explains why you duel so much with Eddy. You are intellectually of the same caliber. How does disease end civilization, or climate change? Feel free to describe scenarios in detail.
one cannot duel with someone having the argumentative level of a 5 year old, neither do i duel with someone who falls back on se xual innuendo to prove am otherwise lost poinit –or exists in hoaxland.
I will explain—though it probably a waste of time
CC destabilises food/water supplies= civilisations ends
explained in 6 words—no conspiracy, no plots–no elites, no hoaxes
if that is beyond your grasp, or you still think its a conspracy, there’s little i can explain to you.
Most major diseases are zoonotic ( google it)
we crowd animals and ourselves into too-close proximity
we can only resist diseases if we have the backup of an industrial factory system”
if CC destabilises civilisation, it ddestabilises that factory/healthcare system
Over the past decades, we have made ourselves non-resistant to common bacteria. (overdoing cleanliness and overdosing in various ways)
Without factory medication, diseases will effectively wipe us out because we will have no resistance.
Bacterial mutations are already highly resistant to anti biotics
Please refrain from boosting eddys already fragile ego by telling him he and I are on the same intellectual level.
Fauci is not in the pay of the Chinese…nor do the staff at my local med centre want to terminate me—nor do I pretend Ive had screaming matches with the local constabulary over some minor traffic offence—neither do i scream pe do if someome has a different point of view to mine.
of course, this is perhaps what you consider to be intellectual discourse. I really have no idea.
Boring …
I prefer you explain why Midazolam was given to folks on ventilators as they struggled to breathe.
The fact that you would make that statement … says much for your calibre.
Circus Animals.. Barnyard Animals — Fast Eddy (and there is only one)
if cc melted the himalayan glacier, the water supply to india and a lot of china would stop
No, of course it wouldn’t stop. As long as precipitation fell (as rain or snow) on the Himalayas at about the same rate as at present, the amount of annual run-off would be about the same rate as at present. It would just not follow the precise same seasonal timing as it does at present.
How the pattern would change? I haven’t studied this in detail. But I would expect winter snowpack would continue to accumulate and this would result in spring runoff just as it does now. And the monsoon, which brings the bulk of India’s rains, and the typhoons, which bring the bulk of China’s rains, would be unaffected, as neither of these phenomena are reliant on the presence or absence of Himalayan glaciers.
Again, I am only pointing out actual logical errors in your writing, not disagreeing with your opinions. And while there is no charge for this service, if you had a soul (which I doubt), you would thank me sincerely for all the free enlightenment I am bestowing on you.
Trust me … no matter what you say … no matter what you do .. not matter what facts you present…
You cannot .. cure … stoooopidity.
Norman seems to get all his talking points from watching sympathetic documentaries by David Attenborough. If we could just turn Attenborough the way we turned two other Davids—Bellamy and Moore—then Norman would come over to the Dark Side and we all could Rule the Galaxy together.
We caught up with Attenborough off the coast of Antarctica, where he was interfering with penguins in their natural habitat, and asked him to reconsider.
Tim
drop the silliness—–aping eddy isn’t a smart move
i lost the link to the thread on the Himalayan glaciers thing
you might like to read up on it
https://e360.yale.edu/features/himalayas-glaciers-climate-change
The thing is …
Tim was one of the catalysts that drove Fast Eddy to explore the moon landing story … so you can turn that comment around for the sake of accuracy.
Are you basking in the glory of your award norm? It’s always good to be good .. at something
oh—i am good at something
which is why i never have to hide behind 4 number words
i use the English language as it should be used. I has great beauty—you should try it sometime, constant faux obs cenity reveals everything eddy.
Ive told you that before.
(you were on form this morning btw—16 comments, then i gave up counting)
Well … you are good at listening to BBCCNNHuff — and doing what they tell you — and injecting Rat Juice.
There is that
but no 4 number words eddy
no 4 number words
they are so very very crude among those able to think for themselves
norm does seem to have a ‘thing’ for David Attenborough… I bet he sends him love letters
Cretaceous as I understand does not fit in with Darwin, life arose, it did not develop. My guess, it was tweaked, masters of the universe were bored with the pace.
Dennis L.
life arose—then development took place over time.
i leave you to your beliefs
mine do not include any masters of the universe
We are in very strange times. Reading governmental papers from EU or Germany, I can just shake my head, inferiour quality, obvious questions unanswered.
When you have this feeling first time, you think something is wrong with me. Then you get used to it. Baerbock wants Putin to make a 360° turn in Ukraine strategy. Okay. You don’t have to prove they are wrong. It is not so important.
Observe the things you can, observe yourself, then you know what is right! If they launched a study that it is great to be hitted with the hammer on the head – test it yourself; please, carefully. Then you know. Some things you dont even wanna try yourself.
Perhaps capitalism as a self-organising system is ineffective. Perhaps people are crazy. Perhaps there is a plan. Perhaps satan plays his endgame. Who knows?
Adding to CC: There are old scientific ideas that the sun has cycles releasing differrnt amouns of energy. The mechanism: The planets rotate around the sun with changing positions of the planets. As gravitational force on the sun sums up, it changes according to the planets’ position. Gravitation is the motor of the fusion process in the sun.
To me this has more reason than to assume a dangerous overheating of the Earth ball while both poles are covered with ice. Note, the definition of ice-age is: at least one pole ice covered. We are in a warmer phase within an ice age.
because it’s all ‘fake news’ Max
just like at the start of 2021, covid was just a version of ‘flu’
then vaccines were ‘fake news’ (or something) Fauci was being paid by the Chinese…and so on.
Nutters r us.
all world events are ‘fake news’–WTC–moonlandings–you name it.
just like at the start of 2021, covid was just a version of ‘flu’
What is it if it isn’t a flu like illness?
my point was that it was supposed to be just a form of ‘flu’
Norman, only two things are forever in this world, diamonds and your gullibility.
How’s the weather in James Bond Land today?
Keep up the good work of shielding your brain against unpleasant facts so that one day you can die almost as wise as you were born.
lol—gullible
i like that
Now norm .. calm yourself and tell us why they gave Midazolam to very sick people on ventilators?
Warnings
Midazolam can slow or stop your breathing
https://www.drugs.com/mtm/midazolam.html
https://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/rocket/Images/rktwtp.gif
http://i.stack.imgur.com/o6Jk4.png
eddy
i am seriously concerned about your slow start this morning
you havent caught something nasty i hope?
It was a flu … there were more deaths in the elderly than the usual flu season cuz they gave them … Remdesivir and Midazolam hahahaha
they killed granny!
They killed more grannies than Harold Shipman, who held the previous NHS record for that particular sport.
Shipman practiced in Wakefield. That’s not far from your neck of the woods, isn’t it, Norman?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman
they killed granny!
Since you hate people, especially the old and disabled, you should be rejoicing at this news.
No… I will rejoice when the humans start to die by the billions.
That will signal the end of our Reign of Terror
Nothing to see here.
http://apolloreality.atspace.co.uk/
The moon landings happened no matter what some crank website says.
withnail
no one seems to notice that that stuff has been swirling round the internet only since the majority of nutters got hold of social media—ie about 2015 or so.
There is something I don’t understand = everything is fake and I am incredibly clever to have realised it.
It’s the reasoning of either schizoid or not very bright people.
personally, i judge the problem to be something to do with when an established piece of information is presented, then ‘social media’ is the immediate tool to hand that can be used to spread the opposite.
Moonloonery didn’t kick in until social media became commonplace.–Then everybody started parroting everybody else about ‘fake news’—bonkers.
Possibly the worst possible example (though that is debatable)—on OFW we had the established facts of the Sandy Hook schools shooting refuted as ‘crisis actors’.—done just as a form of attention seeking.
Last year, the Ukrainian war was ‘fake news’ using more crisis actors. (according to the senior OFW knowitall.)
Repeating the same things said by Alex Jones —attention seeking again. Its a disease that currently runs through our social fabric, by my observation. Everything is ‘fake news’ to somebody. Trump was the worst, many took their cue from him—if he can say it–so can I, so to speak.
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”-William J. Casey, CIA Director.
It’s just like the moon thing… that NASA engineer said we cannot get past the Van Allen Belts… but you still believe we’ve flown to the moon…
I’ve said it many times — Al Gore could announce that the GW thing has been a complete hoax from day one – show the world all the evidence of that… and the MORE-ONS would insist he was being paid by the coal companies to turn coat
https://media1.tenor.com/images/295fb9ab49a0809d1eca1277fd63b54f/tenor.gif
Don’t believe your own eyes or trust your own analytical skills. When you want to know what is real/true or not, just ask an expert.
Then you can be happy forever in your James Bond World.
hey
i’ll have you know i’ve got a double 0
they just haven’t add the 7 yet—i expect it any day now
btw—you will pass on the directory of experts won’t you–i need to be sure i pick the right one
norm is multi boosted with Rat Juice… he is a true believer..
That is what you are dealing with… don’t expect logic
And the Rat Juice is Safe and Effective …. yes… yes….
Huff CNN BBC say so!
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20181119-why-flammable-ice-could-be-the-future-of-energy
thank goodness your getting back up to speed eddy
that girl from the med centre did a great job—banging uour chest and giving you the kiss of life (she definetly needs a medal for that)
unlike you,she obviously doesnt bear grudges
Don’t let nobody rob you of your childhood dreams about moon travel. You are surely entitled to them.
Trust the scientific AUTHORITY, question nothing and be happy.
Rockets exist. Big rockets existed in 1969 and the 1970s. They were big enough to go to the moon. What’s the issue with that?
ssshhhhh Withnail
they were just holograms
just like the the planes that hit the WTC
eeeeeeeeeeverybody knows that
Except Werner van Braun:
“IF we EVER build a rocket to go to the moon — IT WOULD BE THE SIZE OF THE EMPIRE STATE building”
Dr. Von Braun was among a famous group of rocket experimenters in Germany in the 1930s. He is shown second from right in this photo. Dr. Wernher von Braun (1912-1977) was one of the most important rocket developers and champions of space exploration in the twentieth century.
scientific proof exists that powered flight is impossible—i think it dates around the 1880s or somewhere
How does a helicopter operate in near zero atmosphere on a place like Mars?
https://media1.tenor.com/images/295fb9ab49a0809d1eca1277fd63b54f/tenor.gif
There’s no issue when you refuse to consider it.
I wonder what you’re doing here at OFW, when you could be commenting on credible, scientific sites like New York Times or Scientific American.
I wonder what you’re doing here at OFW, when you could be commenting on credible, scientific sites like New York Times or Scientific American.
I think the OFW blog is the best one I have found to explain the energy and economic situation. That doesn’t mean i have to accept some of the stranger ideas of the blog commenters.
Hey let’s watch again!
https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY
landing on the moon, and moon travel are entirely different concepts
moon landings x 6 happened
moon travel is a fatuous concept that will go nowhere
press your emergency think button before pressing -post comment
But how did they traverse the deadly van allen belts?
And how can a vaccine that does not stop you from getting covid – be referred to as a vaccine?
Nice strawman, norm. Best guess patterning imo says they were missiles mounted with daylight 3D projectors. Missiles under holographic cover. Don’t forget the missiles part when taking your trash.
And how about telling us how it is that and entire plane disappeared through a stuctural steel and concrete latticework with the two exceptions of a landing gear and a terrorist’s passport? The concrete slabs were covered on edge by the structural outer steel and buttressed on the opposite edge by the inner core beams that themselves were box-buttressed by the back half of the building. ANY part of the plane — titanium frame included — that hits the slab edge would end up outside the building, obviously, and most obviously the wings. Wake up norm. Especially when hundreds of commercial pilots put their reputations on the line to say that commercial aircraft aren’t capable of what those missiles did at sea level.
You can’t, norm. So you’re just talking your book. Which is called dishonesty.
reante
i had graded you above a WTC denier
no matter—i can cross you off my list
Reante – congratulations!
I picture withnail jumping up and down and shouting We Went to the Moon! We Went to the Moon!
I picture withnail jumping up and down and shouting We Went to the Moon! We Went to the Moon!
Don’t forget waving an American flag because i am such a huge fan of America and like to trumpet their achievements even if they are fake.
Cuz CNNBBC and Huff said so!
Hey remember this – he’s talking to the moon hahahaha… are you out of your mind???
https://assets.wired.com/photos/w_660/wp-content/uploads/images_blogs/wiredenterprise/2014/02/GPN-2000-001672.jpg
hahaha
http://apollofryup.atspace.co.uk/
Seems they are still working on radiation shielding …
https://youtu.be/o0RusutSM9k
What’s to talk about … other than Leo’s seaside concrete eco resort hahaha and Al Gore flying around on his private jet telling people to take cold showers and eat bugs…
And also, in my case, because of this:
Rarely acknowledged in the debate on global climate change, the world’s weather can now be modified as part of a new generation of sophisticated electromagnetic weapons. Both the US and Russia have developed capabilities to manipulate the climate for military use.
The US military has developed advanced capabilities that enable it selectively to alter weather patterns. The technology, which is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), is an appendage of the Strategic Defense Initiative – ‘Star Wars’. From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction, operating from the outer atmosphere and capable of destabilising agricultural and ecological systems around the world.
Weather-modification, according to the US Air Force document AF 2025 Final Report, ‘offers the war fighter a wide range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary’, capabilities, it says, extend to the triggering of floods, hurricanes, droughts and earthquakes: ‘Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally… It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog and storms on earth or to modify space weather… and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of [military] technologies.’.
In 1977, an international Convention was ratified by the UN General Assembly which banned ‘military or other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects.’
While the substance of the 1977 Convention was reasserted in the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) signed at the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio, debate on weather modification for military use has become a scientific taboo. Military analysts are mute on the subject. Meteorologists are not investigating the matter and environmentalists are focused on greenhouse gas emissions under the Kyoto Protocol. Neither is the possibility of climatic or environmental manipulations as part of a military and intelligence agenda, while tacitly acknowledged, part of the broader debate on climate change under UN auspices.
https://theecologist.org/2008/may/22/weather-warfare
JMS
the post of chief BS merchant on OFW is already taken
its a bit like the pope–the head man usually has to die to create a vacancy
Facts don’t go away just because you dismiss them as BS, Norman.
Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques
http://www.un-documents.net/enmod.htm
i think yu are fairly new here JMS—(forgive me if youre an old hand)
but being in close proximity to the BS pontiff gives a degree of immunity
We used to have a flat earther in here a while ago—his certainties couldnt be move either
If OFW were a club, you would be that member who has been here forever, to the point that we mistake him for a piece of furniture, and so gaga that no one takes any notice of what he says anymore – a kind of pendulum clock as venerable as unfixable, but which the board preserves for its antiquity and because it hides a stain on the wallpaper.
I’ve only been a member of OFW Club since 2012, and I’ve been participating in its meetings since 2014, but so moderately and logically that it’s only natural you haven’t noticed.
At first I was surprised that norm did not recognize you as a long standing member…
But then i came to my senses and remembers norm is jacked full of RAT JUICE…
And he compounds that by reading Huff…
norm also believes we’ve been to the moon.
norm will file the facts under ignore…
then go to Huff for ‘the truth’ about everything … they even have an Entertainment section
Anthropogenic Climate Change is minuscule. Current estimates of 1.5 degrees c increase globally. Perhaps 10% of this is human induced.
In contrast during younger dryas the climate changed 15 degrees to the negative in 10 years.
The sun is the “God” of this solar system. The earth is a hunger games simulacrum.
The future is ox carts, longbows and tribal war.
Let’s worry About axle grease and the potato crop, the rest is just noise.
How did you come to your 10% conclusion?
Max
Yes, anthropogenic climate change/forcing is operating on a longer timescale than financial and energy collapse, with the caveat that arctic methane releases or total breakdown of the jetstream could bring CC into alignment with the other two. But obviously CC is one of the three converging crises of classical collapse theory. That baseline CO2 levels have risen 50pc over what we evolved in is an underlying biological stressor we can’t do anything about other than adapt to as best we can – stay out of cities and always keep windows open.
Like Gail said, CC is being co-opted/weaponized by governments so as to mask peak oil. Even people at OFW have become so polarized by the government’s CC propaganda that they have become reactionary and openly doubt or deny greenhouse gas concept which to me is very straightforward until proven otherwise (I’d be happy to stand corrected). But like I said before, just because one gets red-pilled on peak oil doesn’t necessarily mean that one gets beyond politics, unfortunately, and much of CC denial here is expressed with big C Conservative undertones, or maybe it’s just alt-Right – independent Right. But then again I used to be a foolish Leftist so I never had that political dividing line, that polarization, to overcome.
The solar minimum issue also complicated the picture, as does the ongoing pole shift if we are to heed what Cromagnon has to say about pole shifts not being as gentle as what the establishment has historically thought.
Interesting times.
I have no fixed opinion about CC other than it’s not anthropogenic.
But it doesn’t seem far-fetched to me that some of the weather disasters we’ve seen lately are man-made, with the obvious motive of reinforcing the CC meme.
The motives exist, the means are available, why shouldn’t it be done? It stands to reason.
Yeah CC is not only being politically weaponized to cover for peak oil, it is being ‘augmented’/simulated by black ops. IT does stand to reason.The one ‘augmentation’ I’m comfortable with patterning is their ability to generate leave–no-(orthodox-)trace ‘wildfires. A microwave DEW is the simplest DEW technology. We had a devastating round of unnaturally patterned wildfires in Oregon a few years ago. Yet at the same time they have chemtrailed for decades now, in service of global dimming. The elites are running a complex operation.
Why don’t you believe that CO2 and methane trap heat in the atmosphere, and acidifies oceans which also affects climate? I would also point out that a 60pc rise in CO2 from our baseljne evolutionary heritage, due to industrial emissions, is anthropogenic atmospheric climate change in and of itself, in the broader sense of climate, and that climate stressor gets immediately compounded in indoor climates. Chronic, long-term CO2 toxicity is undoubtedly one of the reasons that people are getting dumber and less able to think properly. The corresponding oxygen deprivation goes hand in hand with it.
(Financial Times + Bloomberg)
”UK prepares cash lifeline for tech companies hit by Silicon Valley Bank collapse.
Start-ups have warned of an existential crisis if they cannot pay wages and bills.
[…] More than 200 UK-based tech company executives have urged Downing Street to step in, warning that many companies faced an “existential threat” because they banked with the UK arm of SVB.”
https://www.ft.com/content/1819b977-a0af-476e-9f7b-df635dd3a304
”US Discusses Fund to Backstop Deposits If More Banks Fail.
FDIC, Fed weigh special vehicle after SVB swiftly collapses.
Regulators are racing to stem the fallout for other banks.
[…] A number of other regional lenders also saw their stock plunge on SVB’s collapse, prompting their own assurances of financial stability. ”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-12/us-discusses-fund-to-backstop-deposits-if-more-banks-fail?srnd=premium-europe
(JP)
”Silicon Valley Bank fallout starts to spread around the world
SVB had branches in Canada, the UK, China, Denmark, Germany, India, Israel and Sweden, and the scenes coming out of California are just the beginning.”
https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/banking-and-finance/article-734050
(Handelsblatt)
”After the bankruptcy of Silicon Valley Bank: Investors demand government guarantees to prevent a domino effect
Customers and investors are nervous. US regulators are apparently considering an emergency fund. The British government is already putting together an aid package for affected customers.”
https://www.handelsblatt.com/finanzen/banken-versicherungen/banken/silicon-valley-bank-nach-pleite-der-silicon-valley-bank-investoren-fordern-staatsgarantien-gegen-dominoeffekt/29031716.html
The bank failed because there was no longer as much money coming in from venture capitalists to fund startups.
Venture capitalists stopped funding startups becasue why waste time with mostly money losing companies when you can just buy treasury bonds at 5% interest.
I don’t see how the government can singlehandedly reverse this situation and it should not attempt to do so.
Actionable?
1. It is a liquidity issue.
2. Per TM market is overvalued by 40%, financial declines to match real world, over shoots, buying opportunity.
3. Sell now, sell earlier, get cash in US, currency of a nation running huge deficits, deflation/inflation? I think they will print.
4. Watch Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia, three largest oil producers. US does not produce a great deal for export, military is questionable. We import half or so of all oil, how do we pay? If we don’/can’t pay, a great deal of “stuff: has no value, deflation, liquidity crisis.
Dennis L.
Thanks for this information, Student!
Surely they have revenue that cover their operating expenses????
Or are they … the dreaded… Zombie Companies… you know … the ones that endlessly tap easy $$$ to allow them to continue burning cash to eternity.
Burn them to the f789ing ground.
This is a really good article by Caitlin Johnstone. It’s tough disagreeing with her on this topic unless you are a Neocon.
“Imperial Narrative Managers Always Try To Make Peace Seem Unnatural”
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2023/03/12/imperial-narrative-managers-always-try-to-make-peace-seem-unnatural/
Excerpt: “The elite salivates for a deeply racist war against China. Australia has no enemies but is led and influenced by little Americans and echoes of spooks who fill the papers with a deranged, almost satirical hysteria. Sad.https://t.co/s723vk8Zv8
— John Pilger (@johnpilger) March 9, 2023
None of us spend the majority of our time getting into fist fights, for example; anyone who spends most of their waking life physically assaulting people has probably been locked up a long time ago.”
Thanks to the affordable debts, the people stopped to realize that they are poor. Once the system collapses, the naked truth of their poverty is revealed.
I have been saying this for years, the UK is not a rich country, it’s extremely poor. Turn off the oil, gas and fertiliser and we’ll see. How are we going to make steel when globalisation ends?
I’d like to see the UK on par with Somalia before the extinction arrives
No good reason just cuz
I like to see Nuttie Eddie gawing on a rat for no particular reason, just cuz
T’wont happen. FE has plans … to exit before anything grim arrives
Friend just arrived UK:
Weather better
People less so
Train dirtier than a 70s p…orn movie
Lots of homeless
2023 ..
Now they get to find out what would have happened if the North Sea Oil fields had not been discovered … we all do
What great joy to know the ultra wealthy are gnawing on rat bones hahaha…
The cash-obsessed mentally ill f789ers will suffer… the worst ones are those who inherited the wealth…
No, the Boomers didn’t live within their means. And younger generations will pay the price
PAUL KERSHAW
SPECIAL TO THE GLOBE AND MAIL
PUBLISHED MARCH 10, 2023
Boomers came of age as adults around 1976, when total government debt was approximately $39-billion. When this debt is divided by the 17 million residents under the age of 45 in that year, and adjusted for inflation, the data show that the debt per younger person in that era was equal to $10,500 today.
Compare that with 2021, the most recent year for which there are complete data. Total government debt is $1.1-trillion. When you divide this figure by the 21 million residents under 45, debt per younger person is now $53,000. That’s a fivefold increase over the past 45 years.
Just as the debt inherited by boomers was shaped by multiple generations alive at the time, so the debt inherited by younger people today reflects the influences of multiple generations. Still, for much of the past 45 years, boomers were the largest generation driving economic and political trends. As a result, much (but not all) of the responsibility for today’s larger debt rests with them.
….Another potential caveat is that the figures I report above don’t account for our economy being more affluent today than in 1976. Back then, gross domestic product per capita was approximately $40,000 when adjusted for inflation. Now it is 65-per-cent higher, at $66,000.
If we adjusted debt levels in 1976 for the economic growth that Canada has enjoyed since then, the debt per young boomer would be $17,395 (not $10,500). Even by this charitable approach, there’s no getting around that boomers were involved in racking up government debts on their watch that are around three times larger than what they inherited. That doesn’t sound like “living within our means” to me.
Leaving a larger debt in itself isn’t always a problem. Had debt tripled because governments made historic investments to fix housing unaffordability, or decarbonize the economy to reduce climate risks, young Canadians might cheer. But those aren’t the primary reasons that debt has grown. The last decade may be especially concerning, because – as I’ve written before – the largest increases to government spending have been on income support and medical care for retirees.
It’s going to be a real show when is boomers need “care” and we are thrown out in the cold without a bone
I am guessing that this is a Canadian story.
….Another potential caveat is that the figures I report above don’t account for our economy being more affluent today than in 1976.
The economy is not more affluent today than it was in 1976.
SCHADifying
21-Year-Old MMA Fighter Isaiah Abels Suffers a Cardiac Arrest During Fight
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/21-year-old-mma-fighter-isaiah-abels-suffers-a-cardiac-arrest-during-fight/
Can’t wait for this to be a common occurrence in all major sports. In time they will have to build a statue for NBA’s Kyrie Irving.
It is super entertaining to watch this parade of rich tech investors scream for a bailout.
https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/1634413306948603905
https://twitter.com/BillAckman/status/1634564398919368704
https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1634648477039841281
https://twitter.com/garrytan/status/1634697926219010048
My favorite summary:
https://twitter.com/MAGIC_MEAT_BALL/status/1634755550977163265
Unfortunately I bet they’ll get the f***ing bailout.
My son (who works for a company doing computer software contract work for Silicone Valley Bank) tells me that actual company employees will be paid by a government corporation for at least the next 45 days, to keep operations going. Perhaps this is a 45-day punt for this part of the operation.
Most the essential workers are left wing fast food workers etc. And right wing truck drivers etc.
If they united it would create “National Socialists”
AKA “The Real Deal Holyfield”
Who will lead the workers? Who will have the power? The vanguard of the proletariat? You? Me?
Imagine 2 loc’d out Gs going crazy on the campaign trail, for the second time:
https://youtu.be/chEbezKKrMs
Crypto Exchange CIRCLE Admits It had a $3.3 Billion Exposure at Silicon Valley Bank
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/oh-no-crypto-exchange-circle-admits-it-had-a-3-3-billion-exposure-at-silicon-valley-bank/
Hence USDC depeg. USDC peg is managed by Circle. Almost back to $1.00 though.
https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/usd-coin
Sill only at 94 cents. That’s a problem for a coin that’s supposed to be one to one with the dollar.
A 2000 CDC Debunks the Narrative That Vaccines Saved the World from Infectious Disease
The study found advancements in engineering and education, not vaccines or medical science, had the greatest impact in reducing mortality from infectious disease:
• Greater sanitation
• Clean water
• Better nutrition and food safety
• Organized solid waste disposal
• Better hygienic practices
Full Interview: http://bit.ly/A 2000 CDC Debunks the Narrative That Vaccines Saved the World from Infectious Disease
Recipients of Bill Gates’ Favorite Vaccine Were Found to Die at 10x the Rate as Unvaccinated Children
A Danish study looked at thirty years of records. And they found that girls who had received the DTP vaccine were ten times more likely to die than unvaccinated children.
“And they were dying not of things that anybody had ever associated with a vaccine,” stated RFK Jr.”
“They were dying of anemia and bilharzia (snail fever) and malaria and dysentery (bloody diarrhea) and pulmonary respiratory issues like pneumonia. And nobody had ever connected the dots … until the Danish scientists came in and actually looked at the data.”
Full Interview: http://bit.ly/3YGGoSI
RFK Jr: The Manufacturer’s Insert Is the One Place Where Vaccine Companies Tell the Truth
The pharmaceutical industry likes to say that they throw the kitchen sink onto the insert to protect themselves from liability — but a Federal law states “only those adverse events for which there is some basis to believe there is a causal relationship between the drug and the occurrence of the adverse event” are allowed to be listed.
“There’s a lot of science that supports the supposition [that] most of these vaccines, not all of them, but most of them, are causing more injuries and deaths than they are averting,” stated RFK Jr.
Full Interview: http://bit.ly/3YGGoSI
Excellent
Silicon Valley Bank paid out bonuses hours before seizure
https://www.axios.com/2023/03/11/silicon-valley-bank-paid-bonuses-fdic
Denis Rancourt with his study on ‘All-Cause Mortality’ clearly shows that the epidemic was not a real thing. The all-cause mortality data was useful in many countries but most useful in mainland USA where the 50 states collect excellent data and you get to compare two cities which are side-by-side but in two distinct states. The virus can not know of the artificial line but somehow behaves as if it does! Look him up, you’ll be amused.
https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/media-resources/denis-rancourt-on-all-cause-mortality-video/#:~:text=Dr.%20Denis%20Rancourt%20is%20an%20expert%20data%20analyst,to%20the%20policies%20imposed%20in%20response%20to%20it.
Fascinating hour-long video – need to scroll down to the Odysee video. First half an hour will do the trick.
All-cause mortality data strongly suggests no viral outbreak in 2020
https://jermwarfare.com/podcast/denis-rancourt-all-cause-mortality
The theme of the title is that very reliable death data from the USA 50 states shows clearly that there was no deadly viral outbreak in the USA in 2020, no more than usual.
Many interesting points, including: There are 14 million officially mentally disabled people in the USA, and most of them are on psychiatric drugs. And seems like they were told to stay at home and away from others, and were jabbed. Denis says isolation alone is a good way to reduce the population of this group.
Well, I’m flattered… it’s not often people come out of their silos to reply on OFW..😁
If one takes the the time to digest what Rancourt has done it will reveal all.
• Greater sanitation
• Clean water
• Better nutrition and food safety
• Organized solid waste disposal
• Better hygienic practices
Clean water and sewage services are what save lives but they use a lot of energy.
Maybe if you hand out vaccines to African countries you can convince them they don’t need such energy intensive things. More energy left for us that way.
Garland Nixon is always worth a listen, great analysis of current events.
This video is about the ridiculous cover story of the “Ukrainian partisans in a hired yacht” who blew up Nordstream. Funny as: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmY-4gW7wUY
You can’t beat these guys for comedy
Quickly, middle class millionaires on our board, offer ENDS Tuesday …
“Singapore is tackling a perceived growing wealth gap”
Singapore is increasing the threshold for global investors seeking permanent-resident status in an attempt to create more jobs and benefit locals …
For those establishing family offices, at least S$50 million must be deployed and maintained in four government-designated investment categories.
That compares with a previous requirement of a S$2.5 million investment in a business entity, fund or Singapore-based single family office. The changes take effect from March 15.
ceomorningbrief.theedgemalaysia.com/article/2023/0532/World/18/657598
That is a 20 times factor in the amount of investment required. Not long to get in on the old, more generous scheme.
WSJ this week.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-military-china-taiwan-russia-great-power-conflict-481f7756
The U.S. Is Not Yet Ready for the Era of ‘Great Power’ Conflict
Since 2018, the military has shifted to focus on China and Russia after decades fighting insurgencies, but it still faces challenges to produce weapons and come up with new ways of waging war
A classified Pentagon wargame simulated a Chinese push to take control of the South China Sea. The Air Force officer, charged with plotting the service’s future, learned that China’s well-stocked missile force had rained down on the bases and ports the U.S. relied on in the region, turning American combat aircraft and munitions into smoldering ruins in a matter of days.
“My response was, ‘Holy crap. We are going to lose if we fight like this,’” he recalled.
The officer, now a lieutenant general, began posting yellow sticky notes on the walls of his closet-size office at the Pentagon, listing the problems to solve if the military was to have a chance of blunting a potential attack from China.
“I did not have an idea how to resolve them,” said Lt. Gen. Hinote. “I was struck how quickly China had advanced, and how our long-held doctrines about warfare were becoming obsolete.”
Mammoth shift
Five years ago, after decades fighting insurgencies in the Middle East and Central Asia, the U.S. started tackling a new era of great-power competition with China and Russia. It isn’t yet ready, and there are major obstacles in the way.
Despite an annual defense budget that has risen to more than $800 billion, the shift has been delayed by a preoccupation with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the pursuit of big-ticket weapons that didn’t pan out, internal U.S. government debates over budgets and disagreement over the urgency of the threat from Beijing, according to current and former U.S. defense officials and commanders. Continuing concerns in the Mideast, especially about Iran, and the Russian invasion of Ukraine have absorbed attention and resources.
Corporate consolidation across the American defense industry has left the Pentagon with fewer arms manufacturers. Shipyards are struggling to produce the submarines the Navy says it needs to counter China’s larger naval fleet, and weapon designers are rushing to catch up with China and Russia in developing superfast hypersonic missiles.
When the Washington think tank the Center for Strategic and International Studies ran a wargame last year that simulated a Chinese amphibious attack on Taiwan, the U.S. side ran out of long-range anti-ship cruise missiles within a week.
The military is struggling to meet recruitment goals, with Americans turned off by the long conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, potentially leaving the all-volunteer force short of manpower. Plans to position more forces within striking range of China are still a work in progress. The Central Intelligence Agency, after two decades of conducting paramilitary operations against insurgents and terrorists, is moving away from those areas to focus more on its core mission of espionage.
The U.S. military’s success in the Mideast and Afghanistan came in part from air superiority, a less well-equipped foe and the ability to control the initiation of the war. A conflict with China would be very different. The U.S. would be fighting with its Asian bases and ports under attack and would need to support its forces over long and potentially vulnerable supply routes.
If a conflict with China gave Russia the confidence to take further action in Eastern Europe, the U.S. and its allies would need to fight a two-front war. China and Russia are both nuclear powers. Action could extend to the Arctic, where the U.S. lags behind Russia in icebreakers and ports as Moscow appears ready to welcome Beijing’s help in the region.
…. The Air Force, which has one of the oldest and smallest inventory of aircraft in its 75-year history, has rolled out the first B-21 bomber and is pursuing the capability to pair piloted warplanes with fleets of drones. It has tested a new hypersonic missile that will be fired from fighter aircraft, and developed plans to disperse its planes among a wider range of bases in the Pacific.
Decades-old B-52s are being refurbished to fill out the bomber fleet. The service has decided to buy the E-7 command aircraft—originally produced by Australia—and is procuring advanced weapons to attack Chinese invasion forces.
At times, the pace has been slower than Gen. Hinote would have liked. “As we began to push for change, we lost most of the budget battles,” he said. “There is more sense of urgency now, but we know how far we have to go.”
The general has pushed to equip cargo planes with cruise missiles to boost allied firepower, the use of high-altitude balloons to carry sensors and electric “flying cars” to carry people and equipment throughout the Pacific island chains—ideas that have led to experiments but so far no procurement decisions.
He thinks a future Air Force could rely more on autonomous, uncrewed aircraft and deploy fewer fighters. “When push comes to shove and you have to decide if you are going to field unmanned vehicles, or keep flying old aircraft, we’ve never made that decision,” he said.
“I think we’ve got a recipe for blunting” a Chinese attack, he said. “I just think you have to reinvent your force to do it.”
It is too late now for the US to catch up to where it would need to be, to fight both Russia and China. Everything costs too much and takes too long to develop. Also, a large amount of supplies would need to be imported from China and Russia. It can’t really happen.
Peter Zeihan is busily telling everyone that the USA could easily win a war simultaneously fought on European soil and east Asia.
Not without nukes they couldn’t
Which was always where it was gonna go anyway.
Just like last time, but several orders of magnitude bigger.
Peter Zeihan is busily telling everyone that the USA could easily win a war simultaneously fought on European soil and east Asia.
No, absolutely not. The US is an industrial midget compared to China and Russia. The US produces 49 million tons a year of coking coal (needed for new steel) a year. US allies in Europe (the EU) produce 13 million tons between them. The UK produces zero.
Russia and China between them produce 640 million tons.
It’s not even close. The US can’t fight a sustained war against anyone that actually has any weapons.
Yes, and then that ultra-high tech has to be competently manufactured and tested.
1. Craft a whiz bang prototype gizmo
2. ??
3. Enter mass production
I’m sure Prima Donna (not in a negative sense) craftsman and engineers in the “guild” can whip out a prototype in no time flat.
Now, where does one find competent production line managers, technicians and engineers in a sea of Hypers?
Corners will be cut, duds will be produced, cuz unrealistic deadlines agreed upon with little regard to incompetency and mediocrity of the common Tryhard and MOARon. Just as a turd attracts flies they clump together.
🐩💨💩🪰🪰🪰
Unless ‘policy’ has changed?
“By the time you got to the first Bush administration, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they came out with a national defense policy and strategic policy. What they basically said is that we’re going to have wars against what they called much weaker enemies and these have to be carried out quickly and decisively or else there will be embarrassment—a way of saying that popular reaction is going to set in. And that’s the way it’s been. It’s not pretty, but it’s some kind of constraint.” ?
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/03/noam-chomsky-populist-groundswell-u-s-elections-future-humanity.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NakedCapitalism+%28naked+capitalism%29
‘The U.S. military’s success in the Mideast and Afghanistan…..’
Huh?
Success?
Wow, up is down, losing is winning!!
USAF b-52s have been approaching Russia air space as well as Ukraine air space from Romania for the last three days getting crazy close and often circling just off Russian air space for hours with multiple b-52s. They are turning their transponders off and on randomly it seems. Over a dozen B-52s involved. Heres the newest report I have seen that says a b-52 violated Russian airspace by a mile.. The B-52s can carry nuclear tomahawks just like the TU-95s launching cruise missiles into Ukraine. Getting ready to paste those dirty Ruskis! YEH! GIT SUM!
Baltic
https://www.bitchute.com/video/nVubzZeb4cA/
Aircraft involved
https://www.bitchute.com/video/KALA25JA1NP0/
Fun nuclear war fact. The first nuke blinds radar rendering all sophisticated air defense useless Those old b-52s and tu-95s might well get over target.
“Such a “warfighting attack” would likely begin with the detonation of a nuclear warhead in front of key early-warning radars. An explosion of a 455 kiloton Trident II warhead at an altitude of 1,300 to 1,400 kilometers would create an area of radar “blackout” that would prevent all Russian radars looking toward the United States and into the northern parts of the North Atlantic from observing US ballistic missiles as they rose over the radar horizon.
US missile launches from the North Atlantic would be coordinated to rise over the radar horizon only after the Russian radars had been blinded. Even if the radars were not rendered ineffective, the Russians could reasonably expect to have no more than seven to 10 minutes of warning before Moscow was destroyed. ”
https://thebulletin.org/2017/03/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-is-undermining-strategic-stability-the-burst-height-compensating-super-fuze/#post-heading
Two dozen b-52s on your airspace border is not trivial.
Just shoot them down – let’s get this party started! I’m tired of all this foreplay.
here, here!
“Easy Action”
https://www.bitchute.com/video/NQ0Lv3BZD3ls/
They could do that easily … just use a video game like the Ghost of Kiev…
My thoughts exactly. If these MF’ers want to blowup the world, I say lets make it happen. Imagine when these POS have no one left to cater to them. Eventually they will run out of their stockpiled food, then what?
“To make the world safer” — I am not so sure. Planning to use atomic bombs creates a lot of problems, I am afraid.
haha remember this?
I’ve never heard of a single person that I know being hospitalized with covid — none – zero.
https://off-guardian.org/2023/03/11/italy-2020-inside-covids-ground-zero/
https://off-guardian.org/wp-content/medialibrary/italy-covid-2020-2000×900.jpg
To reach the next stage of civilization, a one world, totalitarian government is needed.
Each country following own agenda led the world to reach where we are, which is not so great.
Higher standard of living limited to the ruling class, no chance of higher education to peoples who don’t have a stake in the world, and harsh treatment to about 90% of the world’s poorer people would have been beneficial to civilization in a utilitarian way.
The ‘internment’ of the Japanese (nobody called them Japanese-Americans back then. Whether they were born in USA or not, they only used the first three letters of Japan) during WW2 is utilitarianly justifiable. Otherwise they would have been lynched at will by the locals whenever the USA suffered a defeat. FDR did save from a wholesale slaughter.
We do have to abandon the old notions of history. Admit that most countries in the world are shitty, and these people not deserving higher standard of living, and most of the world pop have to sacrifice in order to have a chance of a Type I Civilization, a hope which is getting dimmer every day I have to say.
No chance of reaching a Type I civilization, I am afraid.
There always was a type 1 civilization. We’re just a temporary part of it.
Temporary, the beauty of being.
Yes, “we” used it all up gradually with little to nothing to show for.
Overpopulation, schmucks living in the gutters while Dalai Lama flies around in a private jet snorting fine Colombian B together with Tier 1 “escorts”.
Such is the rapacious primate.
Introduce progeny and that hot mess transforms into an extra vile vicious rapacious primate.
Cuz Mr. 🧬
Wow… he sure is living it up!
I am green with envy
We already have this.
The Anunna allied with the deep state just after WWII. They have made an unholy pact with the demiurge to alter the simulacrum.
The breakaway civilization has permission to cook the surface world just like biblical prophecy foretold.
You didn’t get the memo?
How do one access the Demiurge?
I’ve got some salt ready to be strewn.
The Annunaki?
As father; as son.
What a joke.
🤣👍👍
Accessing the demonic is easy unfortunately. Millions do it everyday. Just give voice to your desires. Ask “God” openly and verbally for what you wish.
Just don’t be surprised when it comes time to pay the ferryman.
Thumbs up!
when i give voice to my desires
even god blushes
aged people get certain benefits in that respect
I cannot particularly think of any urgent desire apart from the obvious (reptilian) ones. The rest is mostly a curiosity.
The primate jank can be subjugated with ease.
Reptilian; just forget about it. Gotta eat, poop, sleep and feel warm. Can’t argue with raw survival.
I hate over engineered monkeys.
🤢🤮
oh i dunno
there are one or two diversions in addition to the essentials you mention kow.
Altzhiemers hasn’t quite taken over just yet
Ya but Super Snatch does not have a seniors discount … I bet she charges double cuz yuck.
Cool;
But no; I haven’t yet had an UFO land on the lawn, and no hottie AGI robot made from the finest man made materials are available for purchase yet.
So that doesn’t seem to work very well.
Too lofty perhaps?
Should I keep it simpler?
Hookers and drugs?
Would that be mundane enough?
Here’s a twist; wanting the demiurge itself for myself and my salt. I reckon she must be hot as hell, sweet as an angel and darker than the night.
https://rare-gallery.com/uploads/posts/4500226-women-kerrigan-queen-of-blades-sarah-kerrigan-digital-art-artwork-portrait-video-games-sword-starcraft-starcraft-ii.jpg
Would plain old curiosity constitute a recipe for being granted a ride with the ferryman, or should it perhaps be Tier 1 “escorts” and top notch Colombian blow? How about wanting food when hungry?
And the hottie Rapacious Primate broads; well, let’s put it this way. A bit underwhelming, but I guess that has to do for now. Well; at least until the ferryman carry their vaxed bodies over Styx and return with hottie robots.
Sayonara ganbatte and hajimemashite.
Perhaps the ‘demiurge’ suck as much as the Hypers? Just asking; no hate.
As father; as son.
You know the drill.
I guess it is what it is.
Nothing but vivid delusion, imaginary conjecture.
Back to the real world of Hypers.
🥱
What you need to develop is a Cult of Personality … like Mao did… then the MOREONS will delight in offering you their daughters…
They will consider it .. an honour….
And because you filter only the hottest of the hot from the rabble of choices… to have one’s daughter chosen provides the parents with bragging rights…
Good luck in your quest
Ah, that’s the trick. You’ve gotta be a charming little tryhard attaboy to attract Hypers and their bland female progeny, however good looking?
Mao seems to have been an arbiter of good taste. Well, perhaps not.
No, I want them like my coffee; invigorating, sweet as sin, dark as the night, and hot as hell.
I’m easily bored by Rapacious Primate antics. Why you might wonder?
Because it sucks to be them.
Gautama was right: They’re all mentally ill.
I’d happily sell my soul to fulfil various desires… but the devil never offers
ah—now i can let you have some creative imagination tablets eddy
only if you promise to take no more than one a week.
It’s difficult to properly tempt someone with a wee bit of taste and a tendency of quickly getting bored.
It’s just intractable of cobbling together something distinct from an oozing hot mess.
If it reeks of mental illness, delusion and vapid shallowness, it’s sure to bore the living crap out of you once your nuts are busted. 🥜
Competent execution is where it’s at.
🤣👍👍
cro
just what are you going on about?
Explanations in plain language please—you lost me
This simulacrum is ruled/run/operated by the demonic/demiurge/archons/satanic AI ( you pick the label). It has vast control over the realm, but…. It needs data to respond to.
It is not the over soul/source/godhead of all/ multiverse. “It” is a fallen Angel wanting to be a God.
Most humans don’t understand this. We are in a soul trap of sorts. If you “pray” to “god” and ask for worldly things you may well be rewarded in this realm, at this time. Be very careful what you ask for because you more often than not, you will get it. Most get what they truly ask for ( not what they think they ask for).
I made the mistake long ago of asking “ the old gods “ for help surviving a life threatening event. I did so by conversing with what I at the time perceived to be “ Norse war entities”. I was granted remarkable luck and ability to endure. But here’s the thing,….. then it would not stop. The trials continued for more than a decade. Repeated open challenges to my life …. for years!
It was a game to the operating system. I asked, and received what I stated. Abilities to see forward in time ( months to a year or so), a tremendous sixth sense, physical gifts that kept all challengers at bay.
But IT WOULD NOT STOP!
Once I recognized what was going on, I ceased communicating with the system,…. and it finally, thankfully ceased.
I am now trying to learn to communicate with the oversoul/neutral field/source without alerting the operational system of the demonic. I can write this openly and it can know because the means I use are not discernible to the demonic.
If all this sounds woo-woo, so be it.
I should not be alive right now, but I am.
I will take that as a measure of movement forward.
What if one truly want that the Hypers get exactly what they deserve?
How about wanting the demiurge itself, just to bring the salt?
Would the demiurge differentiate between intellectual curiosities and bland primate desires?
You sure it’s not delusion or the ordinary rapacious primate originated fantasy jank?
Nope; slapped right in the heap of imaginary conjecture due to the lack of hard evidence.
i wouldn’t mention all that in RL company cro
Point taken
“Power of Myth” basics that should be fairly straightforward “practical magic” making sense of the patterns in Nature monetized, concretized and mythologized by technology, science and religion. Good fodder for the cynical among us but they know on some level that there is deep mystery inspiring awe and reverence. Forgive them.
I knew there was no god at about 13 when I prayed every night for an SI swimsuit model to knock on my bedroom door offering delights… and it never happened
It’s not like I was asking for super powers or something ridiculous …
she probably made preliminary enquiries and found out you never got past 5 eddy
Richard Lebow, whose origin is unclear (wikipedia says he is an American but he is a fellow of the British Academy. He says he was born in France in 1941 but is silent on where he really came from) wrote a book called Franz Ferdinand lives – no World War I.
Given he is an established academic figure his book is not that provocative, but Franz Ferdinand’s death is attributable for two people; Gabriel Princip, who needs no introduction, and Leopold Lojka, the Czech driver who delivered FF to Princip.
Lojka never revealed why he did that, but he was treated as a Czech national hero, although that led to everyone in his family (he died before 1939) killed and every single trace of him being erased after Czechoslovakia was annexed to the Third Reich.
Thanks to Lojka we got Czechia and Slovakia. Was these two countries worth it? I have to say, no. Czechia was better being the richest province of Austria-Hungary, and all these Austrian place names turned into something unpronounceable here and there is unforgivable. The city of Brunn (I don’t care how the Czechs choose to call it) has a Gregor Mendel university, conveniently forgetting that he never bothered to speak a word of Czech in his entire life. Franz Kafka , who lived in Prag in his 40 years , wrote nothing in Czech so they had to dig thru his schoolpapers to find any Czech he wrote. Well, even Milan Kundera, who arguably isech Czechia’s best known author, abandoned Czech and now only writes in French. The world would not have missed Czechia and Slovakia.
Frankly speaking, every country not independent in 1912 has no business existing in the world. Collectively their contribution to global civilization is virtually zero, a smattering of this and that here and there, and the world would, I have to say , not missed any of them.
The existence of these countries are the reason resources were wasted and we are facing this crisis.
When Donald Trump is president again he will put an end to all this royalist bs. He will make America great again again.
The elections are corrupted, so he can’t get back to power. Also, he’s too old and didn’t have the wherewithal to hold people to account when they refused to execute on his vision. This ship has been taking on water for decades and ever faster of late.
I know and agree. I was just tweaking Klum. Dominion decides the elections.
And drain the swamp… just like Obama outlawed lobbyists…
Greetings, kind sir.
My name is Prince Mabongo from Nigeria. On account of your reputation as a good and honorable man with intelligence in business, my associates have advised me to contact you directly with this offer:
On account of my father’s passing, I have inherited a vast quantity of ownership shares in the Golden Gate Bridge. They are now in my possession. I must sell them to you, for a very good price, as I am not located in the United States to sell them myself. Each share will be worth $100, and I will sell them to you for $80 each, for your troubles. Please send money to Bitcoin wallet address 3FZbgi29cpjq2GjdwV8eyHuJJnkLtktZc5 and await further instructions.
God be with you. Your friend,
Prince Mabongo
PS – You can also email me your credit card details and social security number for faster payment.
Please I feel safer with cash. Send me the address to send one ton of twenty dollar bills to.
I’m happy to live in a country that existed prior to 1912 but sad that as a non aristocrat i will have a terrible existence toiling in the fields in Kulm’s brave new world.
Basically they want more money for doing nothing so they can continue to pillage
https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/68734
Let’s discuss Turbo Cancer
https://dailyclout.io/report-61-ute-kruger-md-breast-cancer-specialist-reveals-increase-in-cancers-and-occurrences-of-turbo-cancers-following-genetic-therapy-vaccines/
https://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0009/26trwpintle/trwpintle.jpg
I checked in with Nate Hagen’s latest video focusing on Loss Aversion and how it plays in to how humans react to life events….found it insightful …
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cKqu3gH1Mz4
He stressed he is very mindful how this will play out in the decades ahead when our magical digital reality does not mesh with our physical actual…there will be plenty of angry, hostile reactions by those that thought they owned something…and as Gail has pointed out here..can’t cash in on it at all..
Maybe people who have hung around Our Finite World won’t be quite a shocked by a small loss of wealth, or the thought that growth can’t continue. They have at least heard the idea before.
I find even I need a narrative. Gail has a narrative finite resources leads to financial system failure.
Everyone else has bits and pieces that sound like noise.
WEF is up to some thing
WHO is up to something
Banks/Rothschild is up to something
bad events happen in (fill in the blank)
Eddy how is Holio?
Xaiber too early for sun dresses on attractive young women?
Tim is it time to plant?
No shows tonight. Maybe hang out at The Station (bar and grill).
anyone have an opinion about the veracity of the online news portal, PM?
thepostmillennial.com/pa-smoke-shops-sell-thc-gummies-laced-with-fentanyl-heroin-report
don’t recall where I came across it but it’s sort of a cross between the NYPost and Hollywood Reporter
or something else entirely – irony of Mad Magazine genre gone woke … dunno
these days is irony still even done?
but PM, what a fascinating take into the collective mind of a far removed generation
and culture
Michael Every: Just months ago, the US was trying to reach out to Iran: (yeah, like they’re trying to reach out to Russia and to China???) now Iran is supplying Russia
with weapons to attack Ukraine with, (unsubstantiated drivel) and D.C. is appalled to find its components are used in Iranian drones (oh woe, oh woe, appalled. Dear Twitter, don’t destroy my illusions) Those couple of pages were full of little more than typical MSM talking points dressed up as economic analysis segued with popculture/movie scenes – so sorry, that warmonger can remain on ZH where I suppose he belongs. Few websites sold out more egregiously Thx for the rabo link, twaddle all the same
Donno but plain fent is soooo passe in the USA. Fent mixed with xylazine is reported to make plain fent seem like nothing. No one wants those silly brightly colored super fent pills anymore “trank” eats your flesh but ke sera. Added bonus Narcan does not work to reverse overdoses with “fenny powder” or “trank”. Im not sure heroin is even distributed anymore. The fiends probably wouldnt even feel heroin after playing with “trank”. It wont be long and this lovely combo will find its way into “cocaine” just like fentanyl has. It just doesnt make sense not to add some hamburger helper. Any pill or powder sold on the street even pills that look identical to pharmacy pills have extreme risk.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/y2gbJqJwcMw2/
When the shit show collapses.. and Global Holodomor begins… this Trank stuff … will be what everyone will want.
I expect governments to distribute it to all people who remain alive at that point.
wats ‘Trank’ eddy?
A word changed to avoid the scan-delete system or somethin??
anyone have an opinion about the veracity of the online news portal, PM?
thepostmillennial.com/pa-smoke-shops-sell-thc-gummies-laced-with-fentanyl-heroin-report
I don’t know but claiming cannabis sweets have been laced with fentanyl sounds like fake news garbage.
++++++++++++++++++
In cannabis legal states “dispensary” owners are near fanatical about their product purity often listing the nutrients used in the weeds cultivation. They believe strongly in the “medicine”. They are “colorful” individuals. Anyone who put fent in weed would probably meet a bad end. Just saying. The products are sealed from the manufacturer. Reminds me time to intake some for perspective. IM not sure where i put it… Medicine. Im a better human for 24 hours. Been close to a year. Stuff hits me like a freight train after a year of abstinence at 30% THC content. Keeps me awake too. 24 hours down time.
Its a weed. If $2 of it alters perception for 24 hours there is no motive to add fent. Thank god.
In the USA so many states are legal now its not hard to come up with sealed quality products labeled for both THC and CBD contents. I wouldnt ingest any unsealed street product nowadays regardless. Look at the map. Half the states are green. Its like fireworks stands. Establishments just across the state border with lots of cars parked there.
sorry, I was just throwing a bit of red meat to the cashews, if you’ll forgive the mixed metaphor.
However, I wasn’t seeking medication advice, but am very curious as to how representative
thepostmillennial.com
is of today’s Zers. I live in a social vacuum and come to my own set of “facts” against my own experience, values, innate logic. Everyone’s set differs.
Is what’s presented a reasonably typical cross section of contemporary under 23s? Their interests, world view, etc …
There’s quite a bit on the present financial situation right at the moment
Fire is impressive https://t.me/leaklive/12727
Cops will not be your friend when it blows https://t.me/leaklive/12729
This is now .. wait till then https://t.me/leaklive/12731
The police will mow down anyone not making enough money to stay away from them.
“Cops will not be your friend when it blows https://t.me/leaklive/12729”
That video taken without the cop knowing just made that man a millonaire- $500k minimum. Smart man is now rich. Didnt respond.
Who would want to be a cop? What are you going to do taze your partner? If he had knocked the guy out and he had fallen down hit his head and died that gal would have been a co conspirator and served hard time too.
Round and round they go … accomplishing zero https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/45740
https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/45747
https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/45748
Pathetic.
Dr. Robert Malone to Natalie Winters: “Tony Fauci lies like a trained CIA officer.”
https://rumble.com/v2ckkv2-dr.-robert-malone-to-natalie-winters-tony-fauci-lies-like-a-trained-cia-off.html
And Malone is Deep State… he’s a much better liar
Try not blinking for the duration of this clip https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/68699
My eyes started to burn…
sorry to sell you short eddy
20 comments–and counting
twas on a monday morning that the gasman came to call???
People with asthma often use albuterol in nebulizers, but the generic price of albuterol has been too low. They are going bankrupt. There also seem to be supply chains problems.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/albuterol-shortage-akorn-shutdowns-fda/
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/resilient-drug-supply/us-liquid-albuterol-shortage-expected-worsen-after-major-supplier-shuts-down
It seems India and China shut down exports of the drug in 2020. The US producer(s) can’t make up for that.
I read that asthma could be an adverse event after Covid vaccination and I also personally know people who are suffering from asthma after vaccination or their pre-existing asthma condition has worsened after that.
Lots of things going wrong at once.
Ring-a-ring-o-roses
A pocket full of posies
Achoo! Achoo!
We all fall down!
Is the banking system wobbling again?
Narratives are all falling down.
Its been an interesting ride, but as Naomi admits, its been full-spectrum propaganda.
Hows them conspiracy truths looking now?
Covid
Ukraine
US dollar
Stockmarket
Steele Dossier
Hunter Biden laptop
Jan 6 ‘Insurrection’
Nordstream
Green Energy
Twitter/big tech collusion
etc etc
Where are people going to run to now to hide from reality’s revenge?
Fentanyl, CNN, the Flag?
‘I also believed wholesale so much else that has since turned out not to be as I was told it was by NPR, MSNBC and The New York Times.
I believed that stories about Hunter Biden’s laptop were Russian propaganda. Dozens of former intel officials said so. Johns Hopkins University said so. [https://sais.jhu.edu/news-press/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinformation-dozens-former-intel-officials-say].
“Trump specifically cited a “laptop” that contained emails allegedly belonging to Hunter Biden”, said ‘CNN Fact-Check’, with plenty of double quote marks. [https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_036fb62c-377f-4c68-8fa5-b98418e4bb9c]
I believed this all — til it was debunked.
I believed that President Trump’s campaign colluded with Russia — until that assertion was dropped. [https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/]
I believed that President Trump was a Russian asset, because the legacy media I read, said so [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book].
I believed in the entire Steele dossier, until I didn’t, because it all fell apart. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63305382].
Was there in fact an “infamous pee tape”? So many other bad things were being said about the man — why not? [https://www.businessinsider.com/christopher-steele-trump-pee-tape-probably-exists-2021-10]
I believed that Pres Trump instigated the riot at the Capitol — because I did not know that his admonition to his supporters to assemble “peacefully and patriotically” had been deleted from all of the news coverage that I read. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-11/trump-team-hoping-peacefully-and-patriotically-will-be-shield]
Because of lies such as these in legacy media — lies which I and millions of others believed — half of our nation’s electorate was smeared and delegitimized, and I myself was misled.’
Lots of Normies were similarly misled.
Too funny.
Too late.
Don’t start with that nonsense again. You were doing well, you almost kicked the habit.
Do trannies offend you?
Do they excite you? If not, why did you bring them up?
looks like somebody else has sussed you out eddy
like i said
constant accusation is a substitute for confession
i can only suggest you give it a rest
I am sure I speak for everyone .. better a tranny fetish than a pedo fetish
on the pedo thing again are we
no doubt Gail will be on delete duty shortly
if my stuff was regularly deleted—i’d be too embarrassed to post at all
but a 5 year old hasn’t reached the level of maturity where embarrasment can figure in his thinking
If a tree falls in a busy square in the middle of a city … and everyone hears it crash to the ground … then the workers chop it up and haul the wood away …
Do the people in the square still hear the tree crash to the ground?
At one point on Wolf Wank Fast was posting some stuff knowing Wolf Wank would not allow it to be published … Fast responded with … that’s fine .. cuz Fast knows you are reading it and that’s all that matters. hahaha… Wolf got very upset with Fast.
nah
i just happen to be on ofw at the mo
all i usually is a rant count
and post that—but nobody hits post as fast as fast
lets see now— brekkie should be served in about 20 mins or so, then the rantcount will start over
will today be a pe dofantasy for you again?
better than a spycam in eddyland—-and i can do it without 4 number words too
slow day today eddy
repetitive strain injury in the old finger ?
eddy
i’ve contacted your local med centre, and asked them to send an emergency response team round to your pace
something is definitely wrong
the pretty young thing for the med centre has assured me she will put her ear to your chest as soon a she gets there
fear not
eddy
that girl coming over from the med centre will do mouth to mouth rescuscitation if she thinks you have a value to the community and thus worth saving
Eddy????
Don’t tell me you are thinking about transitioning…
Too Funny..let’s get Nuttie Eddie going ..
NASA plans to return to the moon. It won’t be cheap.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nasa-russia-tom-cruise-rockets-outer-space-news-162509904.html
NASA Administrator Bill Nelson previewed how NASA intends to spend its $27.2 billion slice of President Biden’s newly proposed $6.8 trillion budget.
During his annual “State of NASA” address, Nelson went big on the moon, reminding everyone that, yes, we are going back.
Sometime next year, three astronauts will travel to and circle the moon — and if that goes well, the next mission will actually land. But before they get there, NASA and private partners intend to send a whole bunch of equipment, so that once the first woman and next man step foot on the moon, everything is ready for them to get to work.
A little farther out, on the red planet, NASA’s upcoming Mars Sample Return Mission will not only study Martian soil but send it back to Earth for further analysis.
Turning back to Earth, Nelson detailed how a new generation of satellites will revolutionize how we monitor and protect our planet as a system. The data will all feed into the “Earth Information Center,” which Nelson compared to a “mission control but for climate and earth science.”
Hahahahaha…
“Moon’ was a distraction during Vietnam genocide.
Its back again for the Covid Cull.
Technology has run its course.
Back to sticks and stones and broken bones.
Thursday, January 15, 2004 Posted: 4:31 PM EST (2131 GMT)
Saying “the desire to explore and understand is part of our character,” President Bush Wednesday unveiled an ambitious plan to return Americans to the moon by 2020 and use the mission as a steppingstone for future manned trips to Mars and beyond.
https://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/01/14/bush.space/
Boldly go where no Woman has gone before!
Plenty of BAU left in those app!es, Sonny!
. Steve StAngelo on his srsroccoreport.com (paywall) has issued an alert about how the NextEra Energy company (the largest renewable energy company in the US) is losing money on its non- profitable off shore wind projects, although on shore wind nothing to write home about either. The maintenance costs for these windmills is accelerating. Some kind of financial accounting slight of hand to disguise these creeping losses?
And then this title says it all
https://doomberg.substack.com/p/here-we-go-again ( paywall )
So it looks like from an energy standpoint renewable energy is burning the candle at both ends: can’t cost effectively produce green energy or cost effectively store it.
As sure as eggs are eggs, we were hardly surprised to receive countless emails and Twitter direct messages asking for our view on the latest battery breakthrough celebration making its way through the hype cycle. This particular rendition comes to us via The Telegraph, a fine newspaper to which we happily subscribe. Boldly titled “The coming EV batteries will sweep away fossil fuel transport, with or without net zero,” the opening salvo strikes a familiar tone:
“The Argonne National Laboratory in the US has essentially cracked the battery technology for electric vehicles, discovering a way to raise the future driving range of standard EVs to a thousand miles or more. It promises to do so cheaply without exhausting the global supply of critical minerals in the process.
The joint project with the Illinois Institute of Technology (IIT) has achieved a radical jump in the energy density of battery cells. The typical lithium-ion battery used in the car industry today stores about 200 watt-hours per kilo (Wh/kg). Their lab experiment has already reached 675 Wh/kg with a lithium-air variant.”
Journalist Ambrose Evans-Pritchard goes on to dream a little more:
“This is a high enough density to power trucks, trains, and arguably mid-haul aircraft, long thought to be beyond the reach of electrification. The team believes it can reach 1,200 Wh/kg. If so, almost all global transport can be decarbonised more easily than we thought, and probably at a negative net cost compared to continuation of the hydrocarbon status quo.”
From the abstract:
“By using a composite polymer electrolyte based on Li10GeP2S12 nanoparticles embedded in a modified polyethylene oxide polymer matrix”
Ge is germanium. We mined only ~140 tons in 2021. It is 10x less abundant than Lithium in the earth’s crust, or equally abundant on a basis normalized by the nanoparticle stoichiometry.
Meanwhile, we mined over 400,000 tons of Lithium in 2021.
For this to take off, assuming it’s not just hype to begin with, it will take years for the mining industry to catch up if they start investing right now.
Pritchard was paid to say that https://doomberg.substack.com/p/here-we-go-again
In fact if he refused he’d have no job
Diesel has an energy density of nearly 11 kWh per litre That’s about 14 kWh per kg.
Their lab. battery has got to nearly 0.7 kWh per kg. On that bass, it’s a factor of 20 poorer.
The most comical phrase is that some trains are said to be ‘beyond the reach of electrification’. What?! Switzerland’s railways were virtually 100% electrified by around the late 20th.C and they threw out the last diesel trains.
Liars, liars and battery suppliers …
Report: long COVID could impact economy and be ‘mass disabling event’ in Canada
“A report released Thursday by Canada’s chief science adviser says she considers COVID-19 the “head” of the pandemic but long COVID its “tail” as the illness inflicts significant harm on individuals, their families and potentially the country’s economy.”
https://www.thestar.com/life/health_wellness/2023/03/09/report-says-long-covid-could-impact-economy-and-be-mass-disabling-event-in-canada.html
We need to kowtow to the PR Team … Bravo… nicely done!
War is Peace.
A Circle is a Square
norm is ____ (I can’t or it will be censored)
https://conoce-china.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/kowtow.gif
BTW I feel extra good this morning … not being around vaxxed having returned to NZ must have something to do with it….
Covid is the head of a snake, the injections the long serpents tail.
The ‘lizards of science’ are everywhere.
Interesting that Most of the banks assets were ultra safe US treasuries .
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/record-bank-run-drained-quarter-or-42-billion-svbs-deposits-hours-leaving-it-negative-1bn
And now the 64 trillion dollar question: was the bank run sparked by the bank’s attempted capital raise – which followed a modest $1.8 billion in losses as the bank sold off its AfS holdings to boost its liquidity – or was it the result of an external influence? What we mean by this is that as reported yesterday, several prominent venture capitalists – such as Peter Thiel – advised their tech startups to withdraw money from Silicon Valley Bank on Thursday. Would the bank run have happened if it wasn’t for their urging? Or another question: why would some of the VC luminaries actively encourage a bank run?
Copy/paste from MoA .
Nonsensical numbers are a Western Specialty.
Economics/Math is what will end the Ukraine war.
Only the money printing founded on the USD Reserve Currency Platform has allowed the profligate absurdity of financing the U.S. Banking/Financial System, in turn, financing the U.S. Military. Slowly, slowly, then all at once.
Current example. Silicon Vally Bank. $200 billion Assets, $175 billion liabilities. Yet effectively insolvent. Why? Because Bonds on the books are not marked to Market. And the ENTIRE US FINACIAL SYSTEM, INCLUDING EVERY BANK, EVERY HEDGE FUND, EVEN THE US FEDERAL RESERVE, does not have to mark their “assets to market”. Silicon Valley Bank, with $25 Billion of New Worth is Insolvent. And so is the United States.
Also insurance companies and pension plans. “Amortized cost” is used for “statutory” accounting purposes. Amounts held by pension funds are worth less when interest rates rise, creating a problem.
Classic pro-Russian junk analysis one expects from MOA. Until further notice, the fracking industry is the only sector (still I assume) not marked to market. Just because the market is an MMT-ish joke doesn’t mean that its assets are no longer marked to market values it just means the market is a joke. Duh. If Fed assets weren’t MTM then it would be making unsecured loans which it can’t do. If the entire Western financial system and bond markets weren’t MTM then there IS no market lol, and Russian valuations also wouldn’t be MTM….
Is everything insolvent? Yes of course.
Yeah it’s suspicious. A few days ago Max asked if collapse would look like the Lehman Brothers. I never answered the question as it got lost in the shuffle, sorry Max. My feeling is that the Degrowth Agenda feathering mechanisms (plandemic, Ukraine war) have superceded an organic GFC 2.0. Not that organic pressures aren’t there of course — they have been ever since peak conventional in 2004/5 — but that the elites have proven themselves to be able to manage the pressures by other means (QEs etc until peak total liquids in 2018/19, and then supplemented with the featherings after that). And not that the pressures aren’t getting greater all the time. But it does raise the specter that they can take a controlled chunk out of the financial system so as to alleviate the inflationary (and by extension the deflationary whipsaw) pressures without triggering a catastrophic deleveraging.
Silicon Valley Bank. Lol. That’s anti-elitist red meat for Joe Sixpack. Maybe they’re just popping the crypto-bubble at long last and also culturally sullying Big Tech in a big way, which is most certainly part of the DA.
One has to assume that they would not allow a bank to collapse if they didn’t want it to collapse. They prevented Shriek Lanka from blowing up by shovelling $$$ in…
They are still firmly in control of things… there is still time for UEP to complete.
In one of the Utopia clips the mastermind says something to the effect that there is no guarantee their plan will work…. similarly we have never tried to kill 8B people by creating a deadly mutation using a leaky vaccine… no guarantees.
If it fails I hope we’ll get the Opt Out of ROF option >>> Fent
They’re still waving the carrot at SL
the new plant revels
Mar 04, Colombo: The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has commended the decision taken by the Central Bank of Sri Lanka (CBSL) to raise the policy interest rate
http://www.colombopage.com/archive_23A/Mar04_1677946020CH.php
SL to have nuclear power plant in near future: Atomic Energy Board Chairman
The Cabinet approved signing the international conventions relating to generating electricity using nuclear power as it was a reliable, low-carbon base load source of electricity to complement renewable energy sources in the future, Sri Lanka Atomic Energy Board (SLARB) Chairman Professor S.R. D. Rosa said.
https://www.dailymirror.lk/top_story/SL-to-have-nuclear-power-plant-in-near-future-Atomic-Energy-Board-Chairman/155-255035
https://colombogazette.com/2023/02/28/policy-decision-taken-to-switch-to-nuclear-energy/
(Reuters)
Biden to Reveal Submarine Pact with Australia and Britain to Counter China.
U.S. President Joe Biden will meet leaders of Australia and Britain in San Diego on Monday to announce a way forward for Australia to receive nuclear-powered submarines in Canberra’s biggest-ever defense project.
https://gcaptain.com/biden-to-reveal-submarine-pact-with-australia-and-britain-to-counter-china/
Looks like the US is casting its proxy net wide for hapless countries it can exploit and then double cross, whether it’s “ally” Germany via blowing up Nordstream II, Gerogia through instigating Tblisi rioting, Philippines with new military bases, and now Australia with nuclear armed subs. As if S Korea, Taiwan, and Japan weren’t enough.
Georgia and Ukraine will end up as Russian colonies, and Australia as a chinese colony. so will the Philippines.
the HTOE has no beef with those statements! drb, legendary eater, always has beef with his statements.
What is HTOE?
You sir are yanking my chain. You’d better be!
it means Ham, Turkey, Or Escargot?
moss ate the last of the Tuna.
delicious
google could not answer . sorry for asking.
Nog at all drb.
It’s my Horsetrading Theory of Everything. You know, my whole predictive framework for how FF are already and will get allocated/rationed under the Degrowth Agenda, along with the geopolitical shifts that go along with allocation. Priority going to nuclear armed and powered countries.
I can’t really believe Australia is going to buy 5 huge nuclear submarines. I doubt they can afford it or that they can really be built.
Even the lowly ebike causing problems.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/e-bike-battery-fires-are-soaring-especially-in-new-york-a3c1e45c
I saw something about them overheating if left charging.
You’d think there’d be a cutoff switch after they’re charged.
Video: Is there such a thing as ‘backward evolution’? Turkish family that walks on all fours under study by scientists
Jack Dunhill | IFLScience | March 7, 2023
The Ulas family live in rural southern Turkey. In total, 19 children live with their parents, seven of whom are intellectually disabled and the rest non-disabled. Subject to intense research, the family has five children who display extreme imbalance along with their cognitive disabilities, which make it difficult for them to stay upright while walking. As a result, these five children all move around on their hands and feet, having become adept at moving in this way after years of never standing upright.
When observed by Üner Tan of Çukurova University Medical School in Adana, Turkey, it was concluded that the way some members of the Ulas family moved closely resembled how ancient Homo sapiens would have walked before evolution made them become bipedal, and it was controversially claimed they were a result of “backwards evolution”. In doing so, their condition was dubbed Üner Tan syndrome.
However, a BBC documentary looked to take a more biological and sympathetic approach towards the family. Spurred on by an unpublished paper by Üner Tan explaining his observations and ideas, British scientists Nicholas Humphrey and John Skoyles joined Tan on a visit to the Ulas family alongside a film crew, where they documented every step of the journey.
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2023/03/07/video-is-there-such-a-thing-as-backward-evolution-turkish-family-that-walks-on-all-fours-under-study-by-scientists/
So, perhaps some humans will survive afterwards, after all! How nice
This is new. I cannot recall any previous instance of a p/ssed off church member taking a gun to the congregation. Maybe it will start a trend?
The JWs are actually legally banned in most of the world outside of the Americas and Europe.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11843851/Germany-shooting-Former-Jehovahs-Witness-named-Bible-study-massacre-gunman.html
Gunman who killed seven Jehovah’s Witnesses in Hamburg bloodbath had left the religious group ‘on bad terms’ – and had been reported to police as mentally unfit to own a gun
Eight people were shot dead last night at the Kingdom Hall building in Hamburg
Police confirmed the perpetrator was 35-year-old former member Philipp Fusz
The gunman who killed seven people in a gun massacre inside a Jehovah’s Witness church in Germany reportedly left the Christian group a year and a half ago ‘not on good terms’ and police had been tipped off that he was mentally unfit to own a gun.
An unborn baby was among the victims of last night’s shooting that left eight people dead, including the shooter, who killed himself as armed officers stormed the building.
Philipp Fusz, 35, a German citizen and former member of the religious community in Hamburg, was behind the ‘shooting rampage’ that also injured eight others, four of them seriously, officials confirmed in a press conference this morning.
Police gave no official motive for Thursday night’s attack, but said the former member of the Christian group had left the community about 18 months ago ‘apparently not on good terms’.
They also acknowledged an anonymous tip in January that claimed he showed anger towards religious groups and might be psychologically unfit to own a gun.
In terrifying grainy footage, recorded from a distance, the man was seen to walk up to a window of the church and fire off several shots into the Kingdom Hall building from what was likely a semiautomatic pistol – before storming inside.
Police said the perpetrator was found among the dead after armed officers rushed into the church last night. Officials said officers did not need to use their firearms, that he acted alone, and that he killed himself as they closed in.
“Collapse of Silicon Valley Bank
“On March 10, 2023, Silicon Valley Bank (SVB) closed after a bank run, causing the largest bank failure since the 2008 financial crisis and the second-largest in U.S. history.[1] Reuters reported that, as of the end of 2022, some 89 percent of its US$175 billion in deposit liabilities were not covered by federal deposit insurance.[2]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_Silicon_Valley_Bank
This is a good link. The Instability link section says:
There also is a section on “Impact.” I imagine this section will be changing in the near future.
Hello,
I’m new to this blog (and not a native english speaker so excuse my english). I’m a novice to all these issues but interrested in “collapsology”. I saw your article on a probable financial crash in 2023. Do you think SVB collapse could be the first of a series (contrary to what so-called experts and government say)?
This collapse seems to have its origin in a tech crisis that has lasted for several months now. Could this crisis be a result of economy simplification? (people use less tech goods because they can no longer afford them due to higher energy prices and interest rates).
Thank you for your insights!
Welcome!
I am afraid this collapse could be the first in a series. I am not sure how long the series might take, however.
Hey remember we used to have a guy on this site whose English was terrible … then it became really good.
yes i remember him eddy
always mistimed his queue
he still does
I’ll interject my unsolicited opinion:
This has nothing to do with consumers “using less tech”. The real issue is that overwhelmingly new “tech” ventures are just negative-ROI trash facilitated by low interest rates. High interest rates results in less willingness to roll over financing, even aside from resource scarcity.
What massive consumer product (cash cow) has happened in tech since the iPhone? Nothing except EV proliferation, which Silicon Valley Bank wasn’t responsible for. So all those investments resulted in nothing at all.
We have a competitor whose business model is raising money that is used to buy up other businesses that use easy money to run their operations and lose millions…
Every business they buy is a money loser.
The expectations is that if you aggregate enough money losing businesses…
They will be worth over one billion dollars.
The thing is … the more businesses they buy and the more their revenue increases — the bigger the losses. If ya think Wework was a disaster…
The easy money is over.. the money losing Frankenstein… needs to stop losing money.. tough to do when every dollar you earn results in 4 dollars lost.
I could build a business like this — I’d just register http://www.webuy70dollarbillsfor100dollars.com raise 10 billion dollars … as long as I can show that my losses are growing and argue that once I corner the market I’ll flip that formula around .. and make trillions for my investors.
Am I not a f789ing genius? Come on … admit it.
FE, you are an expert in the Uber school of management.
Founded in 2009,
“Uber has raised a total of $23.9 billion across 8 funding rounds”.
And now they have 5B remaining in cash and 9B in long-term debt. Imagine incinerating all that cash over 14 years and still being around.
They too are following the business model of … the more revenue … the bigger the losses…
I kid you not … this is considered success.
War is peace
2+2 = whatever
norm is _________
Do you think SVB collapse could be the first of a series (contrary to what so-called experts and government say)?
Yes. The massive rise in interest rates has many effects on the economy.
Fundamentally it drives money away from investing in businesses and towards just buying treasury bonds.
Banks need money sloshing through them on its way to businesses or investors. If people are just buying bonds and sitting on them for 10 years, there is nothing for banks to do and no way to skim a profit because there is no flow of money.
https://twitter.com/garrytan/status/1634260576431136768
This is an *extinction level event* for startups and will set startups and innovation back by 10 years or more.
BIG TECH will not care about this. They have cash elsewhere.
All little startups, tomorrow’s Google’s and Facebooks, will be extinguished if we don’t find a fix.
In the case of google the CIA provided startup funds. Worry not, there will be money for tomorrow’s google.
We don’t need any more food delivery apps or Instagram filters.
Printing means cash is trash. Businesses deposited trash with SVB. SVB didnt know what to do with it(like everyone) they bought bonds and MBS with sub 1% yield. With a current 4% yield those bonds and MBS create a big poof its gone. People who pay attention withdraw their digital FRNs. Other people notice and withdraw. SVB sold its bonds at a loss adding to the hole but trying to keep confidence up.
SVB will be bailed in or bailed out on monday. My guess is Yellen gave a big fish orders to eat the poof its gone.
To some extent the problem is due to SVB being a real bank in the sense that most regard a bank. Attached to a real economy. Banks that are entirely imaginary using HFT trading and what not would never have made SVBs mistake.
The banks that are entirely in the imaginary realm are not burdened as much with the realities of the real economy. Truth be told their poof is exponentially greater but circumstance never demand examination of that poof. The Feds books are the most immune. Any asset value brought on the feds books is written in stone. A dog turd can be valued at a trillion. Like a trillion dollar zinc coin. Baseball cards. Pet rocks. The imaginary world banks have borrowed on those bonds with leverage but it is widely understood that the imaginary banking world is more kind then the banking world that interacts with the real economy. The real economy is unpredictable. Depositors actually need to withdraw to make payroll. Those on the payroll need it to eat. Those that have stake in the imaginary banking not so much. What would they do with their digital FRNs if they withdrew? Where would they withdraw them to? Another bank. What would that bank do with those digital FRNs? They are not allowed to withdraw anyway. Lehman broke rules and was punished but it had unintended consequences. Stupid real world!
Poof is ordered to eat poof on Monday. Other similar banks in bay area face runs on monday.
This was always the issue. Treasuries are the “gold” that ensure fidelity in the fractional reserve banking system. Interest rates go up treasury value goes down. All banks are REQUIRED to hold treasuries. “prime collateral”. Trying to limit dollar destruction caused by unchecked money creation by raising interest rates creates poof via treasury value decline denominated in digital material. Patching poof destroys the dollar also. All paths lead to digital material value destruction. Buying your own debt destroys the value of the unit the debt is denominated in. Ponzi. Exact same as Madoff except ma doff didn’t own or know someone with a printing press. Using the printing press makes the digital material it is printing worthless. Yes Frodo can use the ring but ultimately the ring corrupts everything. Same for bringing assets onto fed books. The contagion created by lack of confidence in a individual bank is not the problem. The contagion created by lack of confidence in the digital material the printing press creates is the problem. THe organism can not survive without demand for the digital material by real economys. Nuclear war is its only chance for survival.
The Fed not wanting to erode the dollar more did not take a active hand with SVB buying their treasuries and MBS. Remember Fed is reducing its balance sheet by some paltry amount to try and shore up the dollar destruction (inflation). Now they call in their markers to keep the poof off there balance sheets already filled with the same exact poof- Treasuries and MBS.
“Hey big poof this is Yellen eat little SVB poof”. This is the only game the fed has. Pretending that the poof is held by others. Incentivizing others to hold the poof with leveraged loans. Making big poof imaginary fish eat little poof real economy fish. But eliminating interaction with digital material by the real economy is just as dangerous to the organism.
The real world can not call in enough markers to break the imaginary world but using the imaginary banking accelerates dollar destruction. Frodos dilemma. The printing press ring burden borne by the Fed. The fed needs real world economy interaction to try and shore up the dollar. Jerome has screwed up. Trying to interact with the real world economy to shore up the digital material he intended to create confidence in the ponzi. THese academics fundamentally do not understand the nature of the ponzi but they understand that using the ring accelerates destruction. Hence the new “dovish” sentiments. The days of warp 12 on the printing press are over however. “she cant take it captain!”.
Fed created 13 trillion during covid. Twice as much as 2008 in half the time. Warp 12. Scotty said it would break and it has. Covid was a further detachment of financial from the real economy. Small and medium business doors closed, printing press warp 12. There are limits. Confidence in equities as a function of lack of confidence in the dollar is inherently flawed but more so for the real economy as it must exchange the equities for digital material to survive invariably. Wile E Coyote. Yes they will probably get a patch on this but their is a lot of air beneath the coyote and EVERYONE knows it.
These events accelerate the strategic nuclear exchange timeline. Nuclear winter is a myth. If the USA government can destroy Russia in a strategic nuclear exchange its hegemony will be unquestioned. All will bow before the USA and its allies. Its citizens will worship the organisms glory. 150 250 million casualties in the USA but the organism has a chance of survival. There are no other paths that lead to the organisms survival. A chance is better than none. Ukraine was a long term survival plan by the organism. The results are less than optimal. Digital material life expectancy is now short term. Does anyone expect this organism to go quietly? Is going quietly a realistic expectation based on previous behavior? The most important thing is the organisms survival. Its citizens best interests lie with its survival. 150-250 million casualties is not hypocritical. The exceptional must have continuance. The organism must have continuance in order to provide for the exceptional. The casualties sacrifice for the good of the future will be honored if the strategic nuclear exchange results in the organisms survival.
Throwing the ring into mount doom is USA joining BRICS. Frodo succumbed. Hes not giving it up. He is incapable of doing so. Possession of the ring is more important than any individuals survival. There is no decision. The possibility for decision does not exist. We all fall into fire.
It’s about time you put a little effort into it. 🙂 The organism term is rubbing this biological farmer the wrong way but it’s your jig. There is certainly something dark and effective about taking the ecology out of life. That said, Russia is the organism, too.
You don’t think the spent fuel pools and reactors of the world present a severe complication to the hardline calculus of a strategic nuclear exchange that kills most of the population?
I can’t speak to nuclear winter. It came up here awhile ago though didn’t it? Is there a consensus here on that question?
Use of the word organism is largely more correct than the use of government. A strategic nuclear exchange is not in the interest of any population of humans in the world. Based on behavior i find the word organism completely appropriate. The entity displays behavior completely in accordance with a organism operating off MPP paradigm. Not a organization. A organism. The word is selected based on observation of behavior.
organized
organization
organism
Nuclear winter was a creation of Carl Sagan. It is largely disproved. It also takes big nukes to get the dust up into the stratosphere. The trend is for smaller yield more accurate nukes. A quick search reveals enormous evidence.
Which is too bad. It certainly was a deterrent to think bunker time would exceed a lifetime.
The spent fuel pools are certainly a concern because the fallout last soooooo much longer than atomic weapon fallout. None the less the radiation levels are known. Studied. The Fukushima radiation levels are known. Can you present DC think tank consensus that spent fuel will prevent organism survival post strategic nuclear exchange? Love to see that.
The thing about humans. They are good at making more humans.
Im basically a behaviorist. I dont assume motive then determine behavior. I observe behavior then postulate motive.
There is simply nothing in the organisms behavior that would suggest that MAD is in effect. All we see is continuing escalation. There is no doubt the organism would prefer a non nuclear outcome in which it continued dominance. Its clear that will not occur. That raises the question will the organism prefer nuclear strategic exchange to its losing dominance.
I then examine behavior. What pattern do we observe that fits a particular operating system?
Lets just assume a premise. War is not desirable to the organism because citizens die. That premise is demonstrably false. In fact those that die in war are honored. Im not concerned with the words surrounding actions although they often determine intent. I take behavior as the primary indicator of a operating system.
Chief amongst this is recent behavior by the organism in regard to the injections. The injections were military in their conception manufacture and deployment. Military desires were demonstrated to have the highest priority in the organisms needs by behavior. Words said this or that.
Russia is absolutely a organism. It is one that possesses abundant resources for trade. If it had no resources its behavior would be different.It has no need to enforce club membership to survive. It depends on trade for survival. Hence the failed attempt to kill it by ending its trade. Hence its establishment of extensive new trade associations that gurantee its survival. All of its behavior matches just like the other organism except it does not need dominance. Its got resources and the means to protect them. It does need to be aware of lethal security concerns. Part of this is determining intent. It is observing behavior also. Its behavior is determined by its survival needs. Its nuclear first use policy is clear. Nuclear first use is determined by a existential threat. Two weeks ago Putin declared the west an existential threat.
The organisms actions match MPP to a T. Nuclear war has been studied for a long time. Vast preparations have been consumed preparing for its implementation. That alone constitutes it as a viable path. Do you know what the think tanks say? What would be the effects of a nuclear war? Would the organism itself survive? Its certainly implemented extensive plans for itself to survive post nuclear. Has the organism stated it will not survive a strategic nuclear exchange? What behavior can you cite that indicates a strategic nuclear exchange is considered unthinkable? Behavior not words.
If nuclear war was not a possibility what would I expect to see in behavior?
Lack of escalation.
Exploring avenues for organism continuance that forsake dominance.
What we observe is the exact opposite. The China peace proposal for instance. Any organism wishing for an out would have jumped on that. The Chinese peace proposal was contrary to dominance however so it was unthinkable to the organism. Literally unthinkable to its operating system.
Organism behavior often does not make sense when we try to apply this or that paradigm to it. Why did that kid try to rob a liquor store not get a job and work? Makes no sense to me. That doesn’t matter. It made sense to him. His behavior matches his paradigm. Behavior is by far the best indicator of paradigm not words or beliefs. I can try to apply my paradigm hope and wish my paradigm applys but behavior is by far the greatest indicator of the actual paradigm.
Based on the organisms behavior I believe a strategic nuclear exchange is probable.
Extensive investment in nuclear weapons.
Extensive investment in biological weapons
Extensive study and interest in all aspects of nuclear war.
Escalation of conflict with peer nuclear power.
Extensive preparation of bunkers for organism elites.
No interest in establishing survival paradigms contrary to MPP dominance.
Diplomacy and arms control have brought us from 60,000 nuclear weapons in the world to 6,000. This is behavior that indicates nuclear war is not desirable. All diplomacy and arms control has been abandoned.
All arms control treaties abandoned. No communication at all between DC and Moscow. Back channel saved us a dozen times from false launch alarms. That is gone. No concern.
No attention displayed in press over Putins specific use of terminology that allows first nuclear weapon usage (existential threat) and simultaneous cessation of participation in the long standing START treaty. The big one in place since 91.
Unrealistic end games. Putin out with 80% approval? 100% approval by Duma. 20% that dont approve want hardliner. Hardliner better? False hope of a Yeltsin. Ukraine military victory without Russian nuclear response contrary to “existential threat” declaration?
Prior use of nuclear weapons on civilian populations in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
From a behaviorist perspective right or wrong is secondary. Beliefs are secondary. Behavior is the primary indicator. I have stated my observations to support my opinion. A strategic nuclear exchange is probable. In fact I see no indicators in behavior that a nuclear war is not by far the most probable outcome by a large margin. That includes all organisms involved. Feel better now? Behavior indicates that far from being unthinkable both the Russian and USA organisms are actively preparing for a strategic nuclear exchange. They are no longer actively trying to avoid a strategic nuclear exchange. They have resigned themselves to it and are preparing for the organisms survival.
Dont take my word for it. The bulletin of atomic scientists put the clock at 90 seconds to midnight some months ago. That was prior to Russia declaring non participation in START and declaring a existential threat present.
https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/
Before I was thinking that people would be so afraid of the adverse outcome of nuclear war that it was highly unlikely.
I think you have convinced me that I was wrong. ‘Prior use of nuclear weapons on civilian populations in Hiroshima and Nagasaki,’ didn’t seem to have any lasting bad effects. Much above-ground testing didn’t either.
Humans need to mutate before the next civilization arrives, as far as I can see. Added radiation, from one source or another (bombs or spent fuel pools) could add to this effect. There is a lot of fossil fuel left behind because the price doesn’t rise high enough for our economy. That doesn’t mean that a different civilization couldn’t make use of it. Perhaps climate change will be helpful in all of this, as well. Also, changes in the currents.
We really don’t understand how self-organizing systems work, but you make very good observations, jigisup.
jigisup, I enjoy your posts nicely realpolitic.
On the one hand by acts the US seems desperate to start a nuclear war. On the other hand RAND says get out and run. The right wings says give Russia 60% of Ukraine and run.
This is a really interesting post. Lots to think about. Thanks!
In the early 80s there were several nuclear war movies & a lot of “posturing” between nations over various issues. Many people were afraid of nuclear war. I’ve wondered why the current situation isn’t rousing a stronger response from the many who do NOT have bunkers. Looking as you say— at the behavior– I would say the masses do not believe it’s real.
jig
Your ‘organism defense’ does not stand to reason. You had it right the second time (WRT your list) with organization. A group of organisms (human elites) acting in concert is an organization. By using the term organism you turn reality into the science fiction for which you criticized Sagan.
I’m also a behaviorist. Behaviorism is rooted in intelligent observation which itself is the accurate patterning of all perceptible causes and effects in the ecology.
While I understand why you think a strategic nuclear war that by design kills most people — but not all — is going to happen based on your patterning of the behavior of the Western Elites, I don’t see that patterning as accurate. I don’t know how long you’ve been lurking here (I’m guessing not long) but one of the major themes of my contributions here at OFW is that, as Lao Tzu famously patterned, the First art of war is misdirection. In brief, I’m confident that the suicidal intentions of the Western Elites that you have inaccurately patterned are in fact a grand misdirection play in service of another intention – that being the non-public Degrowth Agenda (DA).
The primary reason that I addressed the sci-fi organism issue again is because it is fundamental to your doomy analysis. Note the fundamental contradiction in your behavioral analysis: you say the Western Elites — the Organism — are operating on the MPP yet you also say, “Use of the word organism is largely more correct than the use of government. A strategic nuclear exchange is not in the interest of any population of humans in the world. Based on behavior i find the word organism completely appropriate. The entity displays behavior completely in accordance with a organism operating off MPP paradigm.” The operative sentence being the second one, which itself is the correct analysis, that killing most people in the world with nuclear weapons is not in anyone’s interest including the Western Elites, yet because you elevated them to the sci-fi Organism they no longer constitute a discrete population of humans which is not a reality -based analysis.
The MPP is called the maximum power principle for a reason. Your “strategic nuclear war” would only massively diminish current power in a best case scenario so obviously you can’t justify your scenario under the MPP. My non-public Degrowth Agenda scenario, on the other hand, absolutely hews to the MPP.
Frankly, I found your high-falutin treatment of the spent fuel pool topic a rote appeal to institutional authority and, thus, mildly dishonorable. That tends to happen when one is putting up a front. When one is fronting. WADR.
When I said in my previous comment that “Russia is the ‘organism,’ too, I meant it is part of the SAME ‘organism’ as the West, but you apparently took it to mean that Russia is ANOTHER ‘organism.’ Behaviorism clearly patterns that upon the fall of the USSR, Russia joined the AngloZionist financial capitalist empire because she couldn’t beat it under the USSR moniker. This was in accordance with MPP. Globalization was the emergence of the one ring to rule them all. The Russian Central Bank is a member of the BIS. This nuclear saber rattling is theater in service of a pragmatic hard decoupling of East and West so as to maintain the MPP during energy collapse. That’s not to say nukes won’t strategically fly. They will, so as to scare the pants off people such that the consent for the national socialist political ‘revolutions’ can be manufactured. After which, the peace accords will come and the great global ‘manhattan project ‘ of collapse will take place, in the decommissioning and disposal of the nuclear power industry before it’s too late and the grids fail in earnest, leading to an uncontrolled fallout that would signal the end of the MPP.
Cheers. Glad you’re here.
Hahaha, the world was duped with the Covid 1984 vaccines. Moderna admits that they based their CV1984 vaccine on theoretical data. Epic fail, more-ons.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/vaccine/moderna-never-had-a-sample-of-the-virus/
Yes and they also stress a couple of time: ‘better to have good data, as it is only digital’…
“It’s a good thing you got it right”, the Lady says at the end….without any reservations….talking heads….see biology is only a software problem…as what was stated….
That’s what the ” Demi Gods” like to believe… unfortunately, depends on the reality perception of those doing the observe upon the observation.
Very insightful revealing the state of advanced “science”..we are removing ourselves further away from the natural world, trying to get to Heaven that way…need only guess where we end up..
People will end up on a Facebook profile, living forever, with AI inventing amazing experiences and showing pictures of them growing older, while the carcass has already decayed in real life.
The devil even dupes his followers.
so, really not data..
norm (gone a bit silent) is trying to come to grips with the Midazolam nightmare… and now you drop this on him?
Hey norm .. when you get that severe respiratory illness and are on the vent and Super Snatch is not allowed in to protect you (for $$$)… and you see them loading up the syringe with Midazolam … and your eyes bulge with terror!!!!
Before you drift off permanently … remember… We Told You So!
Your final thought might be… hmmm… I guess we never did make it to the moon either.. and 911 was a CIA op.
8.22—28–43–50–51–55–58, 9.00–03–08–12 Eleven so far in rapid fire. I wish I could find important things to say.
eddy—you have sucked all the oxygen out of the room—again—
none left for me to use to make a coherent response.
today you seem to have skipped breakfast in your haste to demonstrate your wordskills in debate with me.
I think you need more practice, otherwise you would not need to hinge your replies on the doings of ladies of ill repute.
Always that thread that you cannot do without.
Confessions in Accusations again eddy?–I was hoping you’d dropped that line of nonsense. And the moonloonery
And grown up a little.
I was wrong.
when i i find out what mido-whassname is, (you do keep banging on about it) i shall take some, to end it all—
Then you’ll have to find a new word to re-inflate your vocabularly balloon
((the one that must have constant inputs of wind)
Try Midazolam norm… it will calm you down
Edwina fancies Norm. Pass it on! 😉
i remain underwhelmed
9.12–17—20–23
fifteen replies an hour—fantastic EROY’s eddy.
must be something in the NZ air this morning
i can’t keep up
You got your money’s worth this morning … why are you complaining?
Word of the day … Midazolam.
my only regret is not knowing big words like you
i shall do another count later
are you going for the record today eddy?
Big words: Remdesivir … Midazolam
most impressive
i shall not sleep tonight
When I was a child, new kittens were born, always in the shed, never allowed to the house. One was a bit disabled, something with the eyes, always behind, running from the bullies. The bullies died soon, fighting with other cats, rabbits… vet operations were too expensive, pragmatic mum.
The ‘disabled’ bore a lot of offspring and cared lovingly. When she acquired something like athrosis in higher age, mum opened her heart and granted her a warm, up place, where she could observe the house. She hardly moved, ‘talked’ to everyone running by, listened to the piano and lived until 20 years. It taught me a huge lesson.
Our current food, based on flour, sugar and oilseed rape obviously causes ‘natural’ selection. H&G necessarily were on Keto, think of the paleo discussion, using ketones to acquire energy instead of glucose. One of the ketones is β-Hydroxybutyric acid, which plays a role in the GABA mechanism, targeted by many psychotrophic drugs, of which we never know if they reach the GABA connectors.
The change of taste led to a selection of seeds and vegetables, that are sweet and soft and have less natural resilience than bitter and hard-shelled and need more oil-bases pest control, we had that before. Oil definitely is the hugest selector, at the moment. Keto promoters say, glucose based nourishment enhances inflammation and artheriosklerotic plaque. On Keto there is no caries, which usually leads to the intake of quicksilver.
There is another aspect to natural selection, read on a doubtful text, mentioned before, with no scientific sources: Modern societies supported the faint-hearted, subordinated, egocentric characters. The bottleneck of ice-age allowed a gene mutant, that leads to an autonomous, resilient character, with huge social responsibility. The pandemic, led by well known eugenicists, aimed at strengthening this mutant. I find that worth considering.
As the masses are usually a bit obese, I guess they have an energy reserve for at least 6 months, there will be large amounts of people stopping those, who don’t see larger obstacles in a new start. That might be a factor, thinking about group dynamics.
Back in the times of the large windjammers, highly apt up-class officers (@Kulm!), were able to transform the destructive energies of mainly criminals into a jointly fight against the elements. But that required a lot of beforehand systemic organisation, so it needn’t be comparable.
“The bottleneck of ice-age allowed a gene mutant, that leads to an autonomous, resilient character, with huge social responsibility. The pandemic, led by well known eugenicists, aimed at strengthening this mutant. I find that worth considering.”
Yes, another successful self-organizing program led by unwitting agents of Nature ie. Monied interests, egocentric leaders and philanthropaths (Elders) and a panopticon of the media (ministry of truth, noble liars, shadow projectors in Platos Cave) managerial classes (Taker priesthood) and virtue signalling masses (Covidian test subjects, defenders of orthodoxy) under the spell of a “powerful” demiurge (Thou Shalt) playing a role in developing breakaway societies.. 1) national socialisms with holodomor, military junta and strongman resource and pop control tactics = primary agents of ROF, terminal dissipative phase of industrial civ, 2) Protectors of SFPs (FE Cult), 3) Rhea/Gaia Doomsday Cults (Norm and Craig T Roberts mini-series) and 4) new thought leaders (Gnostics) and strengthening mutant gene pool of survivors (HGs, Grayman, Leavers, New Animist tribes) necessary to pass through next bottleneck.
Sorry Craig T. Nelson mini-series..
Climate Change Disaster with roving gangs and Rhea Cult planting gardens and collecting stragglers like a cross between Hare Krishnas, Yashuan Cult and Common Ground New Orleans Katrina relief.
https://alchetron.com/The-Fire-Next-Time-(miniseries)
This is the sort of thing that convinces people Little House is possible… it’s the PR Team saying to them .. ya collapse is coming but it will be a wonderful adventure.
It appeals to loads of people .. gives them hope in some kinda future…
Anything but extinction … we never get no TEE VEE about that… even The Road has a happy ending
Of course the transition from hunter gatherer to agricultural societies were everywhere accompanied by great misery, depopulation, previously unknown diseases, and mental and physical stunting. Today veganism is heavily pushed to help depopulation along (together with feminism and non binary genders) since vegans disappear in at most one generation. the transitions to new vegetable based foods (there were many, with sugar 200 years ago, vegetable oils 100 years ago, fructose and new varieties of wheat 50 to 60 years ago) have always been accompanied with upticks in disease, and downticks in fitness and mental health.
There is nothing really new under the sun, and nothing today we did not see decades ago. Even the mass persuasion that, say, eggs were bad, which is now to be replaced with fake meat/bugs healthier than red meat, it’s all in the limited playbook of mass nutritional management.
vegetable oils 100 years ago
Olive oil has been used for many thousands of years in the Mediterranean area.
I meant (oxidized) seed oils. Canola, cottonseed, corn, sunflower, safflower.
How about camelina, flax, and sesame, seed oils also used since antiquity? Might not the issue be amount of seed oils consumed?
possibly a major part of their toxicity is in the cleaning process, non existent in antiquity. sunflower oil, fresh, is black, but the one in stores is clear. But regardless, such large amounts of omega 6 oils can not be beneficial. in agricultural antiquity people were sicker smaller less happy than the prior hunting antiquity.
in agricultural antiquity people were sicker smaller less happy than the prior hunting antiquity.
Doesn’t matter if they are sicker, smaller or more unhappy if there are 5 of them for every hunter gatherer. They win.
Olive trees won’t grow everywhere. 8 bio people cannot be fed by Mediterranean olives. The Mediterraneum countries are extremely depleted of woods since Roman times. Hard to live there without fossiles.
Rape cannot be consumed by humans. It contains toxic ingredients that make the plant resistant to bugs and pests.
Modern agriculture has cultivated rape sorts without these toxic ingredients, so it can be consumed safely.
But with this change, rape also lost resistancy against bugs and pests! Today this is replaced by fossile-made pest-control. In the moment fossiles are not available, rape cannot be used for nourishment. This applies to a lot of plants!
It also means people cannot eat what they are used to. The food grown on fossile ‘steroids’ also had a selective effect on people. Organisms running well on glucose had an advantage. In the moment for example wheat is not growable and people have to turn to cabbage and barley, a lot may face problems. Those that have ever consumed barley in another form than beer, know what I mean.
With the switch to alternative plants with ‘build-in pest control’ the current agricultural spaces will not be sufficient. Growing roots instead of wheat may need a larger area of arable land to provide the same amount of people.
We still have the resources to care about these things and find solutions. Instead we believe that insect farms could be run without fossile fuels! We do not administer our talents wisely. The desaster to come roots in a logical mechanism of resources: as they deplete more has to be invested to get them out and there is a point, when these investments don’t pay off. But the desaster to come is mainly selfmade by us ourselves. A lot could be done to mitigate it. Mitigation means, a generation after BAU could restart on a higher level and don’t have to gather basic knowledge that exists today or that is easily gatherable by try and error and with insufficient knowledge because they cannot even feel for example radioactivity that we left behind.
It does not matter if 8 mio people exist or only a few hundred. Individuals had the chance to live wonderful lives. But our offspring – or those of our brothers and sister, where is the difference? – also should have a chance.
To me it seems that we have lost the natural impulse to protect the next generation.
I know. They won. It seems incredible, but the destiny of the human race is to be sick, unhappy and weak in the future too. Whatever resources will be there after oil, we will expand until everyone is miserable. Russia is a little better, but certain now overpopulated (and therefore polluted and with exhausted soils) will go through some horrible times.
The omega-3 to omega-6 ratio discussion is based on studies with test persons with a high glucose intake and little bodily activity.
The current paradigm recommends high glucose intake and small amounts of fat. The result is obesity and a lot of disease of civilisation.
People who eat no glucose and large amounts of fat as on Keto diet, get slim and fit. Something is not conclusive.
That raffinated oils and trans fat is not for human nourishment should be known already. Always use unprocessed high quality oils.
The matter is highly complex as for example vitamin E in fact is a complex of variants, called isomers. The availabilty of these isomers can cause effects that than might be attributed to omega-6 or whatever.
Here is a rare list of vitamin e isomers in food:
https://tocotrienol.de/t3s.php
In case it shall not be known:
They buy rape or soy that is not suited to feed anymals, because it is rotten and mouldy, extract oil with chemicals, heat it to 2000°C – all toxity is considered to become volatile – and sell it cheaply. This oil might be flavoured with butter taste or used in cakes and cookies or for deep-frying. This is called ‘refined oil’. That such an oil is not suited for human nourishment should be conclusive.
Rancid oil can be made consumable by blowing oxigen inside. Cheap olive oils are often treated like this and then blended with 20% oil of better quality to cover the taste.
Olive oil should be virgine and cold pressed. Sesame and walnut and others cannot be cold pressed. A good oil is expensive.
Always use oils that are kept as naturally as possible and consume a mix of different oils.
They should add some Rat Juice to the blend
I know. They won. It seems incredible, but the destiny of the human race is to be sick, unhappy and weak in the future too.
That’s right. Societies that maximise the number of humans always win, sustainable or not, happy or not, healthy or not.
Being unsustainable brings short term miltary success because you have more iron weapons than your opponents. And you can produce more iron ploughs to plough more land as you expand.
Thank you, drb753, Jan, and Withnail for your replies.
It seems to me most or perhaps all crops have components as plant defense that may be harmful to human or animal health if consumed. Domestication may have lessened these, but in many cases has not eliminated them. I suspect moderation in consumption and diets made up diverse foods, especially as prepared before modernity, might cancel out the negative effects, as the dose makes the poison.
Utopia UK https://duckduckgo.com/?q=watch+utopia+uk+series&iax=videos&ia=videos
Just go to Yandex.com and search 123movies. You can stream nearly anthing from the linked pages. It’s helpful to have a browser that blocks pop-ups (like Brave browser).
Best place to see (almost) every movie that was ever made.
https://www1.freemoviesfull.com/watch-tv/watch-utopia-38670.5003773
Utopia https://duckduckgo.com/?q=watch+utopia+UK+series&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos
A very, very conspicuous amount of blues and yellows placed throughout the whole series, particularly the second… just like the Ukraine flag. Ukraine also being the location of a certain number of bio-labs at around the time the series was being made. What a coincidence!
Endless coincidences in that series… including using dodgy PCR test that they know are useless… to inflate infection numbers and create fear
Here’s a good scene
https://youtu.be/dBSU4cOUUYg
Of course this is all about convincing people it’s depop … depop (especially when it’s not done by murder) is far more acceptable than extermination
It’s the guy from Hot Tub Time Machine, love that movie
https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/68390
norm bought it haha
A very key scene from Utopia
https://youtu.be/oK_fsI32In4
And why are we 8B aiming for a tenner before rounding off the Monkey Business for this time around in the wheel of folly?
Yes indeed; because it sucks to be them.
And they want to be as much sucks as everyone else.
The herd breeds, the herd projects.
Cuz monkey collective (sub)conscious wants, tantrums, craves, envies, sucks most of all:
https://youtu.be/meiU6TxysCg
And not in a metaphorical sense, but in the most acute, literal, way as in engaging in vapid, pointless drivel as distraction from the suck that it is to be them roaming and pillaging the earth.
However; have compassion.
They use up all their limited CPU cycles responding to the archaic primate ego antics.
FITTING IN!
And can you imagine how it would be to be locked inside a room with an orangutan that is themselves. At least the orangutan knows little to nothing about itself, apart from the self and that it exists. It just does its thing without too much grief.
Now, ponder if one would slap another 50IQ on top of that orangutans innate monkey business. That would be just pure cruelty. Some might call it Homo Sapiens Sapiens. The wise ape. 🥳
Hahahahahahaha1!!!!!1!!!112!!1
At have compassion until they’re trying to barge through your door looking for those cans of baked beans and spam. Progeny crafts an Extra Vicious Rapacious Primate out of mere vicious primatery, cuz Mr. DNA won’t care about how much of a bland, mediocre embodiment one are.
Yes, it is horrible. But let’s be real and own up to it.
All right?
🤣👍👍
Now, ponder if one would slap another 50IQ on top of that orangutans innate monkey business.
Yep – they’d torture … engage in industrial level wars… invent cars and drive around like idiots…fly across the world to lay on a beach… go round and round on the ski lifts.. watch cinema… roller skate… smoke ciggies… invent ways to grow enough food to feed billions using finite substances… celebrate the pillage of the world by ringing a bell on a street called Wall.
I am serious when I state humans are by far the stooopidest species ever. Nothing comes close… nothing.
IQ is such a burden. That’s what Fast Eddy says all the time…. HE uses the term horse power… nothing to do with IQ… Fast Eddy could not be a doctor or a rocket scientist… that’s circus animal rubbish … such lunacy is below him … why would HE want to do any of that? HP is pure intelligence… the circus animals do not register on that scale
I reckon FE wouldn’t be sporting those 5000HP’s without those extra 50IQ points slapped on a crusty primate baseline sometimes in the distant past.
Now would HE?
99% of “science” is all about Fitting In, so is engineering and every other vocation requiring some rudimentary level of reasoning.
Yea, Rapacious Primates mostly jostle other Rapacious Primate egos. It’s the Monkey Business of halfwitted priorities.
You see, the primate just want to feel good about themselves irregardless of iron clad realities and predicaments.
However, it still sucks to be them.
FE has done just enough to live large enough so that HE has time to indulge in Greatness of Thought.
In fact HE coined the phrase ‘it’s good enough’… good enough to dominate the MORE-ONS…
“FE has done just enough to live large enough so that HE has time to indulge in Greatness of Thought.”
Yes, but most rapacious primates just wants moar instead of thought and peace of mind.
Why you might wonder?
Yes indeed; cuz it sucks to be them and they’re eager to project that suck your way as a means of validation and cope. Now, how do you feel observing their vapid Myopia of Ordinary delivered to you as ego theatrics and cringy drivel from the cookie hole? Ideally splashed all over antisocial media.
Isn’t that obnoxious?
Good thing it is still possible to get away from the rapacious primate collective (sub)conscious Monkey Business.
The idiocy of the Circus Animals always wanting more — there is never enough … they seem to not understand that they are not immortal and the pursuit of more results in less time to bucket list…. bucket listing and releasing carbon = the meaning of life…
And then of course GFC was the canary — indicating borrowed time… the wise response to that would be — accelerated bucket listing … but nope — the circus animals insisted on working the gold seams….deep in the shaft…
Fast tried to explain this to multiple circus animals but that’s right up there with trying to convince them the Rat Juice is bad news… it’s like trying to convince a Woodpecker to not peck wood.
Oh well.. f789 em. All I care is that when this sucker goes down – no regrets…
yup
theres a statue of yiou in our local park–sitting with your chin resting on your hand, in deep thought, your head white with pigeon crap
a neat summing up, don’t you think eddy?
MORE-ONS save those spots for the Heroes of Pillaging…
They are unable to comprehend the true genius of Fast Eddy who calls them out on their id iocy.
Don’t forget these are the fools who trampled each other to get a shot of Rat Juice… despite it not being tested…
Why would Fast Eddy want a statue of himself in a park?
he’s quite nekkid eddy
and the pigeons remain eternally grateful
8.20—8.27–8 29 I await this morning’s onslaught of wit and perception— i hope old age isn’t slowing you down
Can you give me a list in advance, to save me hanging about
or do i have to come back later and count ’em?
To paraphrase Taoist “philosophy”:
“When shit happens; is it really shit?”
“Good shit grows in shit”
“Dare to be a bit shit”
This will cheer a lot of people up. Divers rescue whale shark from fishing line.
Makes me kinda proud and ashamed of my species at the same time.
https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1633775531597471746?
The cool part is that whale figuring out that it might get help from the strange looking sea creature full of air bubbles, tricks, tools and clever antics, oblivious to the fact that their brethren was the ones dropping that crap into the ocean in the first place. Cus some schmuck wants to eat fish or meat made from feed captured in the ocean.
Yes, it is a tragicomedy.
Good for the whale though. It is likely still roaming the Oscan being irritated by the sounds made by submarines and cargo ships.
But hey.
It is what it is
— MotW
The species on the verge just have to wait a little longer… The Problem is about to be solved.
I do worry about the spent fuel impact on these organisms though… 🙁
We are truly vindictive SOBs… we drag everyone down with us
It’s a whale shark not a whale. Different thing.
Wanna see a RE. Tard?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11837825/Ex-football-hooligan-61-went-Ukraine-fight-Russia-not-heard-months.html
Another Darwin Award by the looks of it 🤦🏼♂️
Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11837825/Ex-football-hooligan-61-went-Ukraine-fight-Russia-not-heard-months.html)
Ex-football hooligan and grandfather, 61, who went to Ukraine to fight Russian army has not been heard from for months
Robert Grady, 61, went out to Ukraine in March last year to fight against the Russian Army after Vladimir Putin’s invasion of the
Funny https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/45716
I believe that four hours is average life expectancy for new Ukie conscripts in Backmud.
Hooligan disposal just another service being provided by Alien-sky
‘Rugby is a good occasion for keeping thirty bullies far from the center of the city.’
Oscar Wilde
Maybe this quote can be streched with other words for similar cases.
growing plastic smog is choking the world’s oceans — and it shows no signs of slowing down
PUBLISHED FRI, MAR 10 2023 1:39 AM EST
Sam Meredith
More than 170 trillion plastic particles weighing roughly 2 million metric tons are afloat in the world’s oceans, according to new research.
To tackle the plastic problem, the researchers call on lawmakers to urgently enact policy measures that focus on source reduction and reuse.
U.N. member states are scheduled to meet this spring to develop a legally binding instrument on plastic pollution.
The authors of the peer-reviewed research paper, published Wednesday in the PLOS ONE journal, warn that “cleanup is futile,” if plastic continues to be produced at the current rate. They blame the plastic industry for rejecting commitments on buying recycled material or designing for recyclability.
…..The rate of plastic entering the world’s oceans, without immediate action to reverse the current trend, was expected to increase roughly 2.6-fold from 2016 to 2040.
Dustin Hoffman should have listened to the advice in the movie The Graduate
Since FF are running out, and UV radiation breaks them up, this will be a problem for only a few decades.
Apparently, from what I have read this may be longer than we think…first, we really have no idea how much longer the feedstock for plastics will extend and second, how much will be exposed to UV radiation if it is hidden in the food chain and biomass….
https://www.plasticsoupfoundation.org/en/plastic-problem/plastic-environment/break-down/
If plastic is non-biodegradable, it does break down until it is no longer visible by the naked eye. A single plastic bag can fall apart into millions of plastic pieces. As a result of the ongoing break down process, the number of micro- and nanoplastic particles is increasing exponentially. This changes the composition of the plastic soup and for this reason, some prefer to speak of ‘plastic bouillon’ rather than plastic soup. All these small particles of plastic never fully decompose and are literally everywhere: in water, soil, and air. Because they are light, they are easily transported across long distances. In 2014, it was discovered by accident that polar ice appears to be full of microplastics. It was then assumed that microplastics were carried along with ocean currents and then caught up in the ice. It is now clear that microplastics are also carried by the wind. It ‘rains’ microplastics every day, even in the most remote regions of the world. Also, at the deepest place on earth, where the ground is nearly eleven kilometers below the surface of the water, plastic microfibers have been found.
HOW HARMFUL IS IT?
It has become evident that microplastics can no longer be completely removed from the natural world. This would not be a problem if we were sure that they are harmless in the environment. The point is that there are various indications that they are harmful. What we know is that all animal species, including humans, ingest them and that the smallest particles – the nanoplastics – can spread throughout the body and possibly reach the organs, including the brain. We also know that the concentration of these small particles in the environment is increasing, and it’s likely that the concentration of particles in humans is likely doing the same. There is no escaping it, and we can only hope that the consequences in the short and long term are better than expected. The Plastic Soup Foundation is committed, through the Plastic Health Coalition, , to calling for more research into the harmful effects of microplastics.
Plastic Soup is a fantastic group covering the plastic people problem…recently, microplastic was discovered in human plasma!
Species of pretty much every kind will need to learn to adapt to the plastic bouillon. Perhaps some can even get extra energy by somehow “dissipating” the plastics. We know that there are bacteria that live on electricity, and even some that transmit electricity.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25894-meet-the-electric-life-forms-that-live-on-pure-energy/
https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2019/electrical-cables-made-living-bacteria/
We don’t know how this will end. The energy of plastics has not yet been dissipated. There are many bacteria that eat oil.
https://response.restoration.noaa.gov/about/media/who-thinks-crude-oil-delicious-these-ocean-microbes-do.html
“Bacteria Really Eat Plastic”
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/01/230123083443.htm
“A bacterium that degrades and assimilates poly(ethylene terephthalate)”
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aad6359
Pollution doesn’t matter.
I disagree. On land plastic is readily attacked by fungi. Bacteria that can process hydrocarbons in the sea are rarer, but they exist and have been at work for billions of years. The Gulf of Mexico for example has had oil seeps since the beginning of time, but its waters are not particularly oily because bacteria degrade it.
Plastics that is heavier than water will find its way in the sediment and get buried. Most plastic is lighter than sea water but can be degraded by UV. I was making hoop houses in the US for gardening already 25 yrs ago, and I could tell that polyethylene would degrade. And that was plastic that would not be exposed in summer (it would be in the garage).
Once UV breaks those bonds you get finer and finer particles, sure, but it is enough not to eat anything from the sea to be safe, and anyway you have an intestine which is quite capable of keeping out unwanted materials. It has coped with soil particles and sand for millions of years for example.
The stuff that makes it through will probably be hydrocarbon chains or rings of order 10 to a few tens carbon atoms, which can be intercepted by the liver and attached to bile for discharge. What particle size specially worries you? Because I doubt anything above 1 nm gets through.
The Final Solution … to this and many problems… is at hand….
How to fix a problem? Exterminate it
And the Winner IS……
Man who stole $24 from gas station in China avoided cops by living in a cave for 14 years.
Yes, we have the undisputed winner of the Nuttie Eddie Challenge …
Ryan General
Fri, March 10, 2023 at 12:55 PM EST NextShark
A man who robbed a gas station of 156 yuan (approximately $24) in 2009 has allegedly been living like a hermit in a remote cave for around 14 years to evade the authorities.
The man, identified as Liu Moufu of China’s Hubei province, robbed a local establishment in the city of Enshi along with his brother-in-law and another accomplice. According to some local reports, they also stole two mobile phones and a miner’s lamp.
After spending 60 yuan (approximately $8.60) on food and some fireworks, they reportedly split the remaining amount among themselves, with each person getting 32 yuan (approximately $4.60). Immediately after the crew went their separate ways, the authorities located Liu’s two accomplices and arrested them.
Liu, who was in his late 30s at the time, looked for a place to hide after hearing about the arrests.
According to reports, he decided to live in a small remote cave he had found on a cliff opposite his hometown, a village in Enshi. The cave is around 10 kilometers (approximately 6.2 miles) away from the nearest human settlement.
As a fugitive, Liu allegedly managed to survive by hunting and scavenging for food. He also reportedly admitted to stealing vegetables and meat from his old village and occasionally meeting up with his family members. To protect himself from wild animals, Liu lived with several stray dogs.
Now over 50 years old, Liu cooperated with the police and showed them the cave he had lived in. He told investigators that he now regrets hiding for over a decade.
Because his crime in 2009 involved the use of weapons, Liu still faces a minimum of three years and a maximum of 10 years in prison.
Now, that’s a new sequel to the movie “The Fugitive”…so sad, but too funny
Millennials with common chronic medical conditions and their children are “high utilizers” of the health care system compared to Generation X, the research found.
This includes 106% more hospital admissions for millennials with diabetes and 55% more emergency room (ER) and urgent care (UC) visits for hypertension.
Even though obesity rates for millennials are lower, there have been 31% more ER and UC visits and 29% more hospital admissions for those with obesity
Millennials are racking up more chronic health conditions compared to other generations: study
By Angelica Stabile, Fox News
They are fragile flowers after all
Possibly they are just treated more often than generations before? Admissions needn’t be a signal for cause…
Millennials are roughly 27 to 42 years of age. Their bad eating started early. They grew up thinking that doctors had a cure for everything. They are also under a lot of stress from unpaid student loans and jobs that don’t pay very well. The marriage rate is lower than for older cohorts, with these difficulties.
This shows a pretty serious collapse of news media:
https://www.niemanlab.org/2023/03/the-scale-of-local-news-destruction-in-gannetts-markets-is-astonishing/
Put down at least partly to “greed” of a single billionaire (un-named in the article!) , the overall indication seems to be we just can’t “afford” to pay people to investigate and print local news any longer,…
The Atlanta Journal Constitution is reported to be not a Gannett paper. The circulation of the Atlanta Journal Constitution is reported to be down by 30%, but I am not impressed by the reporting. They have a lot of national stories, copied from elsewhere (often New York Times), with a relatively small number of local stories. They did a whole lot of “How terrible COVID is” reporting. My husband really likes the comics. It does have the sports results and a “Living” section.
Too late Naomi, you deserve no sympathy. This Jan 6 story is repeated over and over with Covid, Climate Change, white supremecists (Se Justin Trudeau labelling of truckers), green economy.
The legacy media is another sink for taxpayer dollars simply because the Morons can’t think for themselves. This has just been far to easy…..
‘It damages our nation when legacy media put words in the mouths of Presidents and former Presidents, and call them traitors or criminals without evidence.
It damages our country when we cannot tell truth from lies. This is exactly what tyrants seek — an electorate that cannot know what is truth and what is falsehood.
The gatekeepers who lie to the public about the most consequential events of our time — and who thus damage our nation, distort our history, and deprive half of our citizenry of their right to speak, champion and choose, without being tarred as would-be violent traitors – deserve our disgust.
I am sorry the nation was damaged by so much untruth issued by those with whom I identified at the time.
https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry
Useful idiots one and all.
You Naomi, are one of those gatekeepers; you deserve our disgust.
Dr. Ute Krüger, a breast cancer specialist, noticed:
• Younger patients are being seen (30 to 50-year-olds).
• Tumors are larger.
• Tumors are growing more aggressively and faster.
https://dailyclout.io/report-61-ute-kruger-md-breast-cancer-specialist-reveals-increase-in-cancers-and-occurrences-of-turbo-cancers-following-genetic-therapy-vaccines/
Now this is a good use for Midazolam ..