Our Oil Predicament Explained: Heavy Oil and the Diesel Fuel it Provides Are Key

It has recently become clear to me that heavy oil, which is needed to produce diesel and jet fuel, plays a far more significant role in the world economy than most people understand. We need heavy oil that can be extracted, processed, and transported inexpensively to be able to provide the category of fuels sometimes referred to as Middle Distillates if our modern economy is to continue. A transition to electricity doesn’t work for most heavy equipment that is powered by diesel or jet fuel.

A major concern is that the physics of our self-organizing economy plays an important role in determining what actually happens. Leaders may think that they are in charge, but their power to change the way the overall system works, in the chosen direction, is quite limited. The physics of the system tends to keep oil prices lower than heavy oil producers would prefer. It tends to cause debt bubbles to collapse. It tends to squeeze out “inefficient” uses of oil from the system in ways we wouldn’t expect. In the future, the physics of the system may keep parts of the world economy operating while other inefficient pieces get squeezed out.

In this post, I will try to explain some of the issues with oil limits as they seem to be playing out, particularly as they apply to diesel and jet fuel, the major components of Middle Distillates.

[1] The most serious issue with oil supply is that there seems to be plenty of oil in the ground, but the world economy cannot hold prices up sufficiently high, for long enough, to get this oil out.

As I frequently point out, the world economy is a physics-based system. World oil prices are set by supply and demand. Demand is quite closely tied to what people around the world can afford to pay for food and for transportation services because the use of oil is integral to today’s food production and transportation services.

Heavy oil is especially involved in this affordability issue. As oil becomes “heavier,” it becomes more viscous, and thus more difficult to ship by pipeline. If oil is very heavy, as is the oil from the Oil Sands of Canada, it needs to be mixed with an appropriate diluent to be shipped by pipeline.

Heavy oil often has sulfur and other pollutants mixed in, adding costs to the refining process. Furthermore, heavy oil, especially very heavy oil, often needs to be “cracked” in a refinery to provide a desirable mix of end products, including diesel, jet fuel, and gasoline. This, too, adds costs. Otherwise, there would be too much of the product mix that would be like asphalt. Also, as noted previously, even if the costs of production are high, the selling price of diesel cannot rise very high without raising food prices. This tends to keep the prices of heavy crude oils below those for lighter crude oils.

Many people believe that the high level of “Proved Oil Reserves” worldwide makes it certain that businesses can extract as much oil as they would like in the future. A major issue is whether these reserves mean as much as people assume they do. Oil reserves of OECD countries (an association of the US and other rich countries) are likely to be audited, but reserves of other countries may not be. Asking a relatively poor oil-exporting country the amount of its oil reserves is like asking the country how wealthy it is. We should not be surprised by fibbing on the high side. The problem is that the vast majority of reported oil reserves (85%) are held by non-OECD countries. These reserves may be significantly overstated.

Also, even if the reserves are fairly reported, will the country have the resources to extract these reserves? Venezuela reports the highest oil reserves in the world thanks to its heavy oil in the Orinoco Belt, but it extracts a relatively small amount per year. An October 2022 article says that the country is waiting for foreign investment to expand production.

Going forward, oil companies everywhere need to worry about broken supply lines for necessary items, such as steel drilling pipe. They need to worry about finding enough trained workers. They need to worry about the availability of debt and the interest rate that will be charged for this debt. If private oil companies look at the true prospects and find them too bleak, they will likely use their profits to buy back the shares of their own oil companies instead (as is happening now).

[2] While oil producers can crack heavy oil to make shorter hydrocarbons in a way that is not terribly expensive, trying to make near-gasses and light oils into diesel becomes impossibly expensive.

It is easy for people to assume that any part of the oil mix is substitutable for another part, but this is not true. Cracking long hydrocarbon chains works to make shorter chains, but the economics tend not to work in the other direction. Thus, it is not economically feasible to make gasoline into diesel (which is heavier), or natural gas liquids into diesel.

[3] If there is inadequate oil supply, the impacts on the economy are likely to include broken supply lines, empty shelves, and inflation in the price of goods that are available.

If there is not enough oil to go around, some users must be left out. The result is that some of the less profitable consumers of oil may file for bankruptcy. For example, the Wall Street Journal recently reported Trucking Giant Yellow Shuts Down Operations. This bankruptcy makes it impossible for some stores to get the merchandise that would normally be on their shelves. As a consequence, it makes it likely that some replacement parts for automobiles will not be available when needed. There is a workaround of renting another vehicle while a person’s car is waiting for repairs, but this adds to total costs.

This workaround illustrates how a lack of adequate oil can indirectly lead to higher overall costs, even if the oil itself is not higher-priced. The need to work around supply line problems tends to lead to inflation in the prices of goods that continue to be available.

[4] The fact that the quantity of oil that could be affordably extracted was likely to fall short about now has been known for a very long time, but this fact has been hidden from the public.

In 1957, Hyman Rickover of the US navy predicted that the amount of affordable fossil fuels would fall short between 2000 and 2050, with the amount of oil falling short earlier than coal and natural gas.

The book The Limits to Growth by Donella Meadows and others, published in 1972, discusses the result of early modeling efforts with respect to resource limits. These resource limits were very broadly defined, including minerals such as copper and lithium in addition to fossil fuels. A range of indications were produced, but the base model (based on business as usual) seemed to show limits hitting before 2030 (Figure 1).

Figure 1. Base scenario from the 1972 book, The Limits to Growth, printed using today’s graphics by Charles Hall and John Day in “Revisiting Limits to Growth After Peak Oil.”

Since the resource limits include minerals of all types, these limits would seem to preclude a transition to clean energy and electric cars.

Educators, advertisers, and political leaders could see that discussing the oil problem would cause economic suicide. What would be the point of buying a car, if a person couldn’t use it for very long? Educators felt that students needed to be guided in the direction of hoped-for solutions, no matter how remote they might be, if university programs were to remain open.

Politicians and government officials wanted to keep voters happy, so the self-organizing economy pushed them in the direction of keeping the story from the public. They tended to focus on climate issues instead. They added biofuels to stretch the supply of gasoline, and to a lesser extent, diesel. They also increased the share of natural gas liquids. The selling price of these liquids tends to be quite low, relative to the price of crude oil.

They started providing reports showing “all liquids” rather than “crude oil,” in the hope that people wouldn’t notice the change in mix.

Figure 2. World “total liquids” production by type, based on international data from the US EIA.

[5] The world’s number one problem today seems to be an inadequate supply of Middle Distillates. These provide diesel and jet fuel.

Diesel and jet fuel provide the big bursts of power that commercial equipment requires. Many types of equipment are dependent on Middle Distillates, including semi-trucks, agricultural equipment, ocean-going ships, jet planes, road-making equipment, school buses, and trains operating in areas with steep inclines.

Because of its concentrated store of energy, diesel is also used to operate backup generators and to provide electricity in remote areas of the world where it would be impractical to have year-round electricity without an easily stored fuel.

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Figure 3. World oil consumption by product type based on “Regional Consumption” data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy, published by the Energy Institute. Oil includes natural gas liquids.

In Figure 3:

  • Light Distillates are primarily gasoline (78% in 2022).
  • Middle Distillates are diesel (82%) and jet fuel/kerosene (18%).
  • Fuel Oil is a cheap, polluting, unrefined product. If environmental laws permit, it can be burned as bunker fuel (used in ships), as boiler fuel, or to provide electricity.
  • The Other category includes near-gasses such as ethane, propane, and butane (58%). It also includes some very heavy oil used as lubricants, asphalt, or feedstocks for petrochemicals.

Until recently, it has been possible to increase diesel production by refining an added share of Fuel Oil. Fuel oil is quite heavy (barely a liquid), so it is well-suited to be refined into a mix that includes a large share of Middle Distillates.

Now we are running short of Fuel Oil to refine for the purpose of producing more Middle Distillates. The Fuel Oil that is still consumed is used in what I think of as the poorer countries of the world: the non-OECD countries (Figure 4).

Figure 4. World Fuel Oil consumption split between OECD (rich countries) and Non-OECD (poor countries) from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy, published by the Energy Institute.

Poor countries tend to value “low price” over “prevents pollution.” It is likely to be difficult to get these countries to move away from the use of Fuel Oil.

[6] Countries around the world are now competing for Middle Distillates to maintain the food production, road building, commercial transportation, and construction portions of their economies.

Figure 5. World per capita consumption of Middle Distillates and Light Distillates based on “Regional Consumption” data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy, published by the Energy Institute.

Figure 5 shows that since about 1983, consumption per capita for both Light Distillates and Middle Distillates has been generally slightly growing. Growth in usage tends to be higher for Middle Distillates than Light Distillates. The total quantity consumed is also higher for Middle Distillates.

The dip in consumption per capita in 2020 is much more pronounced for Middle Distillates than Light Distillates. For Middle Distillates, the change from 2018 to 2020 is -16%; the change from 2018 to 2022 is -7%. The corresponding changes for Light Distillates are -11% and -4%.

The difference in patterns in Light Distillates and Middle Distillates is not surprising: Gasoline, the main product of Light Distillates, has been the focus of efficiency changes. It is also possible to dilute gasoline with ethanol, made from corn. Voters in the US are particularly aware of gasoline availability and price, so politicians tend to focus on it.

Diesel and jet fuel, made using Middle Distillates, are less on the minds of voters, but they are probably more important to the economy because people’s jobs depend upon the economy in its current form holding together. Inadequate Middle Distillates leaves empty shelves in stores because of broken supply lines. It also leads to inflation of the type we have recently been experiencing. Indirectly, lack of Middle Distillates can lead to debt bubbles collapsing, and to problems of a different type than inflation.

Figure 6. Middle Distillate consumption for OECD and non-OECD countries, based on “Regional Consumption” data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy, published by the Energy Institute.

Up until 2007, Middle Distillate consumption was generally increasing for both OECD countries and non-OECD countries. The Great Recession of 2008-2009 particularly affected OECD countries. European countries found their economies doing less well. For example, less diesel was used to operate tour boats carrying tourists; a larger share of available jobs were low-paid service jobs.

The year 2013 was a turning point of a different type. The consumption of non-OECD countries caught up with that of OECD countries. While non-OECD countries might like to maintain their rapid upward trajectory in the consumption of Middle Distillates, this no longer seems to be possible.

[7] Under the Maximum Power Principle, the physics of the economy pushes the economy toward optimal low-cost solutions, especially as the quantity of Middle Distillates approaches limits.

The economy, like every other ecosystem, operates under the principle of “survival of the best adapted.” In terms of the sale of goods, this means that the lowest-priced goods will tend to win out in a competitive environment, provided that they are of adequate quality and that the makers can earn an adequate profit in making them.

Furthermore, the makers of the goods must earn a high enough profit both for reinvestment and to pay adequate taxes to their governments. Payments of taxes to governments are essential; otherwise governmental collapse would occur due to the growing debt that cannot be repaid.

If inflation becomes a problem, rising interest rates would tend to push governments with large amounts of debt toward collapse because they would become unable even to make interest payments from current income.

In this self-organizing economy, buyers of goods don’t know or care much about the lives of the workers in the system. Optimal low costs of manufacturing in a world market might mean:

  • Manufacturers have access to very inexpensive energy sources and use them.
  • Pollution control is ignored to the maximum extent possible, without serious harm to the workers.
  • Governments provide very little in the way of benefits to citizens, such as health care or pensions, keeping the cost of government low.
  • Workers can get along on relatively low salaries because little heating or cooling of homes is needed.
  • Workers don’t expect private vehicles, recreational activities, or advanced medical care.

Because the economy favors the lowest cost of profitable production, a person would expect that warm countries that use oil sparingly in their energy mix (India, the Philippines, and Vietnam, for example) would have a competitive edge over other countries in manufacturing.

In general, a person would expect non-OECD countries to outcompete OECD countries, especially if cheap fuel for manufacturing is available. The lack of cheap fuel is increasingly becoming a problem in many parts of the world. Coal used to be cheap, but its price can now spike. Natural gas prices can also spike, especially if natural gas is purchased without a long-term contract. Electricity using wind and solar tends to be high-priced, too, when the cost of transmission is included.

[8] The Maximum Power Principle seems to be pushing the EU away from diesel.

The EU has a serious oil problem. It has essentially no crude oil production of its own. Furthermore, oil production in Europe outside of the EU (mainly the UK and Norway) has been falling since 1999, greatly reducing the possibility of imported oil from this area (Figure 7).

Figure 7. Total Europe and European Union oil production, including natural gas liquids, based on data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy, published by the Energy Institute.

Under these circumstances, members of the EU found that they needed to import nearly all of their oil, and that most of this oil needed to come from outside Europe.

When I look at the data regarding the types of oil the EU has chosen to consume (nearly all imported), I find that it uses an oil mix that is unusually skewed toward Middle Distillates and away from Light Distillates. (Compare Figure 8 with Figure 3).

Figure 8. EU oil consumed by product type based on “Regional Consumption” data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy, produced by the Energy Institute. Oil includes natural gas liquids.

Part of the reason the EU uses this skewed oil mix is because it has encouraged the use of private passenger cars using diesel through its tax structure. Underlying this tax structure was most likely an understanding that Russia, through its exports of Urals Oil, which is heavy, could provide the EU with the mix of oil products it needed, including extra diesel.

The EU has recently cut off most oil imports from Russia as a way of punishing Russia. This cutoff is being phased in, with most of the impact in 2023 and later. Thus, Figure 8 (which is through 2022) shouldn’t be much affected.

China and India are now buying most of Russia’s exported oil. These countries tend to use the oil more “efficiently” than the EU. In particular, they do more manufacturing than the EU, and they have far fewer private passenger cars per capita than the EU. Furthermore, the EU powers quite a few of its private passenger cars with diesel. If diesel is in short supply, efficiency demands that it should be saved for uses that require it, such as powering heavy equipment.

Because of the efficiency issue, I doubt that the EU will be able to continue importing as high a diesel mix in the future as it has been importing up to now. We know that Saudi Arabia cut back its oil exports by 1 million barrels per day, as of July 1, and this cutback is continuing into August. Russia is also cutting its production by 500,000 barrels a day, effective August 1. If oil prices rise again, I wonder whether the EU will be forced to cut back on its oil imports, essentially because of the Maximum Power Principle.

[9] The substitution of electricity for oil so far has been mostly in the direction of replacing gasoline usage for private passenger automobiles. Substitution of electricity for Middle Distillates would be virtually impossible.

Middle Distillates are largely used for the tough jobs–jobs that require big bursts of power. Electricity and the battery storage required for electricity are not adapted to these tough jobs. The vehicles become too heavy, especially when the big battery packs that would be required are considered. The Wall Street Journal recently reported that battery-powered commercial trucks can cost more than three times the price of diesel-powered trucks, a hurdle much smaller private passenger automobiles don’t face. The wide diversity of types of heavy commercial vehicles would be another huge hurdle in trying to substitute electricity for diesel.

Oil is a mixture of different hydrocarbon lengths. Substitution of electricity for one part of the hydrocarbon mix, namely for the Light Distillates, is not very helpful. Oil companies need to be able to sell all parts of the mix in order to make their extraction efforts worthwhile. If oil companies find themselves without buyers for most Light Distillates, they would have difficulty recouping their overall costs. There would be a possibility of oil production stopping. Without oil, farming would mostly stop. Road repair would stop. Today’s economy would come to a halt.

Of course, as a practical matter, the vast majority of the world will pay no attention to mandates that all private passenger automobiles be EVs. Buyers in most parts of the world will make decisions based on which cars are least expensive to own and operate. As a result, there is little chance of private passenger cars being completely replaced by EVs. Instead, EV mandates in some countries may somewhat reduce the selling price of gasoline worldwide because these drivers are no longer using gasoline. With lower gasoline prices, non-EV’s are likely to become cheaper to operate in countries where they are permitted, boosting their sales. This is an effect similar to Jevons Paradox.

[10] There are many related topics that could be addressed, but they will need to wait until later posts.

A few of samples of other issues:

[a] The world economy is tightly networked together. Inadequate oil supplies per capita tend to push the economy toward forced reduced activity, as was the case in 2020. Oil prices likely won’t rise a whole lot higher, for very long, if the economy is forced to shrink.

[b] Inadequate oil supplies per capita also tend to cause fighting among countries. OECD countries seem to over consume, relative to the benefits they provide to the rest of the world. Perhaps some grouping of non-OECD countries (or parts of countries) will take over in leadership roles.

[c] The self-organizing economy has different priorities than human leaders. All ecosystems in a finite world go through cycles. As conditions change, different species are favored, and new species emerge. Humans have a strong preference for recent conditions that helped humans thrive. Humans need a religion to follow, so leaders have created environmental sin to replace original sin. The catch is that ecosystems are built for change. Pollution can be viewed as a type of fertilizer for different types of species or recent mutations to thrive. Higher temperatures will have a net favorable effect for some organisms.

[d] If a local economy chooses to increase energy costs by taking steps to reduce its carbon footprint, the main impact may be to disadvantage the local economy relative to the world economy. If total energy costs are higher, the cost of finished goods and services is likely to be higher, making the economy less competitive.

[e] I expect that the members of the EU and other rich nations will be the primary countries pursuing carbon reduction technologies. Poorer economies may pay lip service to carbon reduction, but they will tend to focus primarily on increasing the welfare of their own people, whether or not this requires more carbon.

For example, in 2022, China accounted for 66% of global EV sales (5.0 million out of 7.7 million), thanks to subsidies that China made available. China no doubt had many motives, but one of them would seem to be to stimulate the economy. Another motive would be to increase the total number of vehicles in operation. The majority (61%) of electricity generation in China in 2022 was provided by electricity coming from coal-fired power plants, based on information from the Energy Institute. I would expect that more Chinese vehicles manufactured and placed into operation plus more use of electricity from coal would lead to a greater quantity of carbon emissions, rather than a smaller quantity.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,527 Responses to Our Oil Predicament Explained: Heavy Oil and the Diesel Fuel it Provides Are Key

  1. Fast Eddy says:

    The regional bank index is sick and rolling over again. The Fed plugged a hole with the lending facility in March with the largest bank failures ever that the memory challenged market participants seems was fixed. It was not…private credit is not being extended. Credit cards are maxed out.

    Credit is the lifeblood of economy. Government spending is filling gap for now. The next 12 months will expose the truth of this economy.


    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “The next 12 months will expose the truth of this economy.”

      thanks for that, really. 😉

      by Q3 of 2024 we should know more about how weak the economy really is.

      why don’t you write that down in ink?

      Q3 2024, and we could comment on it then.

      but don’t let that stop you from giving your farewell message to OFW.

      I personally look forward to it with high expectations.

  2. Fast Eddy says:

    Another NFL – fairly big name:

    BLOOD CLOTS – in the legs, lungs and hearts of young people – NFL Cleveland Browns Marquise Goodwin – 25 new cases examined – it’s an epidemic!

    Written by Dr. William Makis.


    Watkins has overcome a lot since joining the team in West Virginia following the diagnosis that Marquise Goodwin would be out indefinitely with blood clots. Goodwin very well might open the season on the non-football illness list, which wouldn’t count him on the 53 but would keep him eligible for return midway through the season.


    What have we here… the blood clot is now a hamstring injury hahaha

    Goodwin (hamstring) wasn’t listed on the Seahawks’ injury report Thursday, John Boyle of the team’s official site reports.

    After missing the entire preseason slate due to a hamstring injury, Goodwin managed to avoid being listed on Seattle’s first practice report of the campaign. With his health not in question, he’s poised to be in the mix for snaps and targets with Dee Eskridge, Penny Hart and Dareke Young behind the team’s top two wide receivers Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf.


  3. Fast Eddy says:

    Maternal Death Rates Have Soared 50% in America Since Vaccine Rollout


    We need new boosters to stop this long covid stuff

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    And here we have battle-hardened soldiers in the Styrofoam War — dancing and making tiktoks… https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/50679

    Ya’ll are being PLAYED. Suckers. come on man

  5. Fast Eddy says:

    Orchestrated https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/50662

    Hollywood studio Lionsgate has brought back mask mandates.

    They’re bringing it all back bit by bit.


  6. Fast Eddy says:

    I reckon we just get ahead of this and lockdown immediately — it’s heavily f789ing mutated… >>>> next they’ll say cuz that need a new improved booster asap.

    When do we get the shots of the ICU folks on the vents?

    Experts are proposing a smarter way to gauge Covid-19′s spread in New Zealand, as a heavily mutated new subvariant puts global health authorities on high alert.


  7. Tim Groves says:

    Seems it never rains in Southern California
    Seems I’ve often heard that kind of talk before
    It never rains in California
    But girl, don’t they warn ya?
    It pours, man, it pours

  8. Just one day remaining

    IF we can kill consumption in a large portion of earth and concentrate these resources to the top echelon then improvements can happen.

    It is how you perceive the situation

    • Ed says:

      The golden billion.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Peter and Ginger Breggin talk with Physician Lee Vliet, MD, CEO of Truth for Health Foundation. Together, they take us on an enlightening and frightening journey through the history of “population control,” which often means the theory and practice of killing people. While we add to this discussion, we also learn from it, and so will anyone who listens to this remarkable interview.

      This is a hard reality to confront—that, yes, the elite (including their resident OFW representative, Kulmthestatusquo), are sure there are too many of us, and, in the past, they have promoted and distributed vaccines that also brought sterility in Africa and India.


      • Fast Eddy says:

        Is it just me or does it seem as if ultra wealthy and top leaders… tend to live longer than the average?

        It’s not as if they are health and fitness fanatics… see Soros – Adelson – Gates etc…

        I wonder if they are on a different program than the rest of us… possibly injecting the blood of unvaxxed infants?

        • Tim Groves says:

          Christopher Lee did very well on the blood of young women, until Peter Cushing pulled the curtain on him.

          • Zemi says:

            Ah, the joys of drinking the blood of young virgins after midnight ! Our Norman is still doing well on it. He would never have got to be so old otherwise. I’ve heard that rhesus negative is his favourite tipple. Way to go, Norm!

            • a few years ago i was standing in a theatre queue next to Christopher Lee, (true) I was going to ask him about biting the necks of virgins, but gf gave me ‘that look’ so I thought better of it.

              i think it must have been his night off.

              true though, that at my age I am one of the undead, only 1% live past this age, and only a tiny fraction of that 1% have no physical ailments

              so mock it when you get there zemi (if).

              And having had another book commissioned last week—you can choke laughing at that too.
              I will laugh with you.

            • lololol

              eddy is still at it i see

              say anything beyond his intellect to deal with—and out trots covid– it’s been going on 3 years now, he still has nothing new to say.

              he uses more boosters than an apollo moonshot.

              would you like me to help you come up with something new eddy?

              or would that be overdoing it for you?

            • Zemi says:

              Norman wrote:

              “so mock it when you get there zemi (if).”

              I tried the i-ching for the first time in April. “Will I live till 70?” I asked, and then tossed my three pennies for the prescribed number of times. My relevant hexagram said: “Stagnation and the abyss”. Can’t be right, I thought. Try 71. Result: “meng”. What does that mean, I wondered. “Inability to accept advice”. Or in plain English, “The i-ching has already answered your question. Go away!”. But I didn’t go away – I tried 72, then 73, then 74. Each time, out of all the possible 64 results, I got “meng”. By this time, it was around one in the morning, and I felt thoroughly spooked, so I gave up. Shortly afterwards I decided to ask John Michael Greer about the i-ching, hoping he would rubbish it. “I have always gotten very good results from the i-ching”, he replied. Yikes! I can only think that evil devil Norman has put a voodoo curse on me. He’s probably sticking pins in my doll even as I write. 🙁

              “And having had another book commissioned last week—you can choke laughing at that too.
              I will laugh with you.”

              “Choke to death while you’re laughing” – another fine volume to add to Norman’s deadly verse. How very grim, Norman. 🙁

            • different genre altogether zemi–publishers dont commission books they cant sell, (or has that point eluded you?)

              you should try it.—dont keep that inherent genius under a bushel—reveal it to all to share.

              and the only i-ching i know is the sound of cash registers

              cept that nobody uses cash anymore–pity really–that was such a pretty sound.

              other than that, i had trouble making any sense at all out of your last comment.

            • Tim Groves says:

              I read that Christopher Lee he hated being stereotyped as Count Dracula, but it paid the bills.

              Norman, so you’re a member of the One Percent now? That’s quite an achievement.

              Actually, I asked my bot mate Sage about this, and it told me:

              According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS) in the United Kingdom, the proportion of the population reaching the age of 90 has been increasing over the years. As of 2021, the estimated percentage of individuals aged 90 and over in the UK is as follows:

              Men: Approximately 12% of British men are estimated to reach the age of 90 or older.
              Women: Approximately 23% of British women are estimated to reach the age of 90 or older.

              But I won’t try to rake you over the coals for disagreeing with Sage. To make it into the late eighties with most of your marbles is quite an achievement in anyone’s book.

              You say that you work out, and I guess that is a big part of the reason why you are still in good shape physically. Young people and even middle-aged people can still feel alright if they don’t do much physical exercise, but keep it up until after you turn 60, and the consequences of laziness start to manifest themselves in ways that are difficult to ignore.

            • Zemi says:

              “publishers don’t commission books they can’t sell, or has that point eluded you?”

              Of course it hasn’t eluded me, old Norman. But there’s quite a market for gore. Witness the shrill excitement of our resident pro-Russian propagandist.

              But don’t encourage Norman, Tim. He’ll end up as one of those old codgers who come up to you in the street and inform you, “I’m very old, you know!”

              And you’ve seen those TV programmes where old actors state their age, followed by huge applause from the audience. 🙁

            • not qualified to write a book about heart surgery—so gore free I’m afraid

    • ivanislav says:

      Do you ever play chess and realize you are only a half step removed from a chimpanzee … that is, half a step dumber? Happens to me every time I open the stinking app.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:


      the fiction you attach to that “IF” is extremely unlikely to happen.

      so I hope it’s enough for you to have that fiction constantly swirling around in your mind.

      because it’s never going to become Reality.

      and Reality doesn’t care one bit how you “perceive the situation”.

      bummer for you, dude.

      here’s Reality: que sera sera.

  9. MG says:

    The problem why atheism becomes widespread is that the religions with their teachings, like e.g. 10 commandments, do not cover the whole spectrum of the problems of the humans, like overpopulation, pollution, low wages, cheap energy depletion, clmt chng, etc. which are caused by the existence of the humans and which constitute an unpleasant truth that.the humans are dominant not thanks to a god, but thanks to the resource use or the rising dependence of the ageing and genetically mutating humans on the industrial base, which entails resource depletion and irreversible environmental damages.

    The humans are just extinguishing bioreactors that are a part of the universe which is cooling down after its creation and their population growth is severely limited by the finite character of the Earth’s environment, which is difficult to maintain so that the humans exist without being endangered by other species.

    The human environment is simply the creation of the humans which have a very low adaptability in comparison to other species. They adapt the environment to their needs and this adaptation of the environment is often performed in a way that is just one-time and temporary and can not be repeated after the resource depletion or pollution.

    The humans simply creates the human environments which are unsustainable without the rising amounts of the inputs.

    E.g. the ants create their ant-hills repeatably, but humans, who created the concrete or plastics, cause an irreversible damage that no religion can repair, because it persists for long periods or is even naturally irreversible for thousands of years.

    • The Bible does talk about collapse and how that works out, especially in the Old Testament. Read Lamentations 4, for example. Revelations 18 talks about the collapse of Babylon in writing that some think foretell the future. We have been warned about the problems that occur. The reason given back then was “breaking God’s commandments,” and “not taking care of the widows and other poor people.” More wage disparity when there is not enough to go around is an age-old problem.

      I am not convinced that any damage humans cause is irreversible. The self-organizing ecosystem takes care of itself. Climate is supposed to change. The mix of plants and animals is intended to change. We can convince ourselves that we need to change, but we need to eat and to take care of our families.

      • postkey says:

        “Climate is supposed to change. ”
        Climate did change.
        ‘Excess CO2 led to fifteen mass extinction in the past 500 million years ?

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          or did extinction events (large meteor hits poking holes in the Earth’s crust, huge volcanic activity) CAUSE the SEE OWE 2 to rise?

          excess SEE OWE 2 that “led” to mass extinctions sounds illlogical.

    • MG says:

      The humans want to leave for the second world or another planet, which the species on Earth are not capable of doing and they will simply become extinct, like other species.

      The salvation can come only from some higher power, beyond the limited imagination of the humans.

      The atheists increasingly suffer from this limited imagination.

      The dreams that defy the laws or physics or logic are our only hope.

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        “The dreams that defy the laws or physics or logic are our only hope.”

        so then the human species has no “reasonable” hope after all?

        “imagination” that’s all there is?

        since the days of early humans, many of those pre-scientific superrstitious unlearned unknowledgeable ancient people have “imagined” vast fictional stories in which was often a fabricated “hope”.

        the full weight of the evidence shows that all of it is just the inventions of human imaginations.

        • MG says:

          We live in the world that is beyond the imagination of the previous generation and our previous imagination, too. So the salvation must also be beyond our imagination. There are problems no one imagined before, and as they accumulate, we can not solve them.

          There must be a solution beyond our imagination.

    • Jan says:

      I am an atheist and I would never agree to any of such thoughts. Are you sure you don’t confuse atheism and satanism?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        What’s wrong with satanism?

        Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

        Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

        When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

        If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

        Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

        Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

        Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

        Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

        Do not harm little children.

        Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

        When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.


      • MG says:

        So maybe imagination is a better term: it excludes this oppressive higher power connotation, which (a)theism includes.

        I imagine another world, surely, without those, who adhere to some outdated human inventions.

    • I am guessing the solution will be more shut downs and more printed money.

      The shut downs will get fossil fuel prices down, and should get inflation under control. It might give an excuse for more debt forgiveness.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        That’s certainly a possibility….

        It’s either that .. or the cannisters.

        I have nothing against lockdowns … but I’d prefer the cannisters…

      • CTG says:

        The shut downs will get fossil fuel prices down, and should get inflation under control. It might give an excuse for more debt forgiveness.

        I don’t think it will work this time. I doubt it will be a uniform compliance now. Also the financial side of things is really dire and also the inflation is also very high now.

        Let the chips fall where it may

    • Hubbs says:

      “I don’t care what you say boy, there ain’t no way out.”
      Tell me about some destiny I can’t prevent…

  10. Fast Eddy says:

    This reminds me of the A Vaxxers constantly bleating on about how evil ‘they’ are…


    The folks who are shoving this renewable energy down our throats are NOT stupid… they know all of this… you’d have to be a mentally re t ard ed MOREON to think renewable energy is a viable energy option. It is an energy SINK.

    They know this.

    But as with the Rat Juice… nobody seems to want to entertain the real reason why they ram this nonsense down our throats… which is — they are building monuments of hopium….

    To reiterate for the billionth time – they are not wasting billions of dollars on wind and solar farms.. any more than billions of dollars are wasted on ski lifts… most $$$ is ‘wasted’ on pointlessness… but at the end of the day it’s GDP output one way or the other … so it is useful.

    The difference between building a ski lift vs a solar farm is that the ski lift does not produce hopium…. so the solar farm is far more valuable… it is a productive asset…

    It fends off despair.

    And GW ties into this — it is the catalyst … the rationale for building these hopium farms… we are transitioning off the substances that are dooming the planet …

    It amazes me that the Doom Bloggers prefer not to tell this truth

    • I think that what happens is that any model that seems to give hope is latched onto, to feed to the public. It doesn’t matter how ridiculous it is.

      I have been involved with the EROEI discussion for many years. I know that Charles Hall was trying to prove that some proposed “solutions” were non-solutions. But once a person starts writing in academic articles, the wrong conclusions are often reached. A major source of confusion was “all types of energy are equivalent.” I am sorry, they are not. They are not even easily substitutable.

      Another source of confusion is the failure to understand how deeply we need the right quantity of the right kinds of energy to run the economy. Intermittent electricity is close to worthless.

  11. Fast Eddy says:

    Two week after classes began, Morris Brown College is once again requiring students and employees to wear face masks on campus.

    The small, private Atlanta college announced the mask mandate Sunday in a letter to faculty, staff and students, saying the requirement and other COVID-19 safety protocols will be in place for two weeks. The college cited “reports of positive cases among students in the Atlanta University Center” as the reason for the decision.

    Morris Brown President Kevin James told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution in an email Monday that the college has received no reports of cases on its own campus yet. He described the steps as “precautionary measures.”

    No cases to speak of: check.


  12. Mirror on the wall says:

    Pussy loves his piggies

  13. Fast Eddy says:

    Repeated mRNA injections can activate the complement cascade
    …and result in myocarditis


  14. Fast Eddy says:


    The next wave of mask mandates are here after CDC and WHO alert about highly mutated COVID variant.


    How about a lockdown to conserve the deeply depleted energy reserves… as they prep to release the cannisters?

    During this period the Super Fent gets delivered?

    • Tim Groves says:

      Jimmy Dore (who in the old days once spat on Alex Jones) now says Alex Jones has called this early. The winter lockdowns and other restrictions are already planned.

  15. Fast Eddy says:

    https://nakedemperor.substack.com/ understands the problem…

    When OFW goes on hiatus… I recommend congregating there

    NE – nakedemperor.substack.com liked your comment on Malaysia’s Longest Serving Prime Minister Says New World Order’s Intention Is To Reduce World Population To 1 Billion.

    Unless one believes growth is not necessary — this demonstrates why we are doomed : According to a study published in Nature in 2020 the weight of all human made stuff has surpassed the weight of all things living on this planet for the first time in human history. If you are well read, probably this is no news to you. What is most interesting here, however, is that half of this material was mined, transported and turned into civilization fairly recently: it simply wasn’t there two decades ago. Now close your eyes and imagine half of your house, half of the roads between buildings, half of your washing machine, car and computer disappear. Welcome to the year 2000. All this was due to exponential growth (a perfect fit for the past century), where we were doubling the amount of human made stuff every 20 years. In case you were wondering: this rate of growth is actually rather modest on an annual basis: equaling a mere 3.5% per annum. Despite these modest gains, the collective mass of materials covered with our fingerprints has gone from 3% of the world’s biomass in 1900 to surpassing 100% of it in a mere 120 years. This is the power of exponential growth. Yet, at least seemingly, we still occupy the same cities with roughly the same infrastructure. Where did all this stuff go then?


  16. Fast Eddy says:

    The drums of doom beat harder…

    Home Sales Plunge Further as Demand Vanished at these Prices. Even Cash Buyers Pull Back. Supply Keeps Rising

    Sales of previously owned homes (houses, condos, and co-ops) fell further, by 2.2% in July from June, to a deep-dismal seasonally adjusted annual rate of sales of 4.07 million, the lowest since January, which had matched the March 2020 lockdown low, which had been the lowest since the Housing Bust in 2010, even as the median price fell, as days on the market rose, and as supply rose to match the highs in 2022, and beyond that to the most supply since June 2020, according to the National Association of Realtors today.

    Year-over-year, the seasonally adjusted annual rate of sales fell by 16.6%. Compared to the Julys in prior years:

    July 2021: -32.5%.
    July 2019: -24.5%.
    July 2018: -24.5%.
    What we’re seeing is that demand has vanished, and supply has vanished in equal measure because the homeowners who have a 3% mortgage are not buying a new home, and so they have vanished as buyers; and are therefore not putting their current home on the market, and so have they vanished as sellers. I estimated that the entire housing market – buyers and sellers – shrank by 20% because these homeowners vanished as buyers and sellers at the same time. In other words, there is less churn and increasing supply from other sources (historic data via YCharts).


    • I don’t see any homes for sale at all in my neighborhood, now. School has started now. It is past spring sales time. If we are starting a new round of “be afraid of covid,” I expect that home sales will drop further, regardless of interest rates.

  17. Fast Eddy says:

    Are they prepping for Plandemic 2.0?


    How does the UK government know there will be “the largest vaccination” programme in 2023 (or 2024)? Are they planning another “pandemic”?


    • JMS says:

      Of course, they are preparing a new plandemic, since lockdowns are necessary and the effects of the injection must be hidden. And it will be very showy, the big one promised by Uncle Bill. An epidemic of SADs disguised as virus X, or perhaps as microbes from outer space.

      • Tsubion says:

        It’s also perfect timing for the effects of long-term masking to kick in as predicted by German neurologists in 2020. We have the perfect storm brewing of real symptoms and deaths that can be attributed to a novel sub-variant leading to a state of chaos and strife just as the economy takes a plunge and conflict, protests, and looting become the new form of exercise.

  18. Mirror on the wall says:

    Saudi is set to join BRICS and to back the BRICS bank and de-dollarization with its vast oil wealth and trade.

    Biden chooses now to offer Saudi nukes (‘promise’) if it breaks from BRICS.

    “Have some nukes.”

    I thought that there is a ‘non-proliferation’ Treaty in place?

    USA is happy to chuck around nukes for strategic gains. Reminds you of Isr/el.

    Totally reckless?

    What is it about banking and access to nukes?

    Anyway, let us see what the lads are saying….

    Biden White House to Saudi Arabia, ditch BRICS and get nuclear weapons program

    • Would Saudi Arabia eventually use the nuclear weapons against the US, anyhow?

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Saudi wants to be careful that USA does not turn around and use a Saudi nuclear program as a pretext for invasion at some point in the future.

        No one is putting that sort of behaviour beyond the USA.

    • Ed says:

      What good are nuclear weapons? Does KSA have an enemy?

      Sure if one has a big bad enemy that has no nukes then having many nukes and delivery mechanisms can rid one of the enemy. Also assuming you are up wind.

    • Ed says:

      Nuke for KSA what does Israel think of that?

  19. Dennis L. says:

    Advice from Warren:

    ““The best thing you can do is to be exceptionally good at something,” he said during last year’s Berkshire Hathaway annual shareholders meeting. “[People] are going to give you some of what they produce in exchange for what you deliver.”

    Skills are inflation-proof
    Buffett says you can mitigate the impacts of inflation by focusing on continuous self-improvement and staying on top of the game in your chosen field.”


    Dennis L.

    • Well, Warren did something which very few people could do – to be born as a son of a well known politician who just happened to be a friend of Ben Graham.

    • As long as the skills you have fit with the economy as it operates, it should work fine. But if you are the best buggy whip maker in town, but no one needs or wants buggy whips, you have a problem.

      If you are a very talented programmer, but electricity is off most of the time, your skill may not be needed.

      • Hubbs says:

        Good hit Gail. From my niche perspective, I was going to say that if there are no surgeons, then there is no need for any anesthesiologists.

        But Warren is really an apex hypocrite and parasite, one of the many “money changers” or he who skims for a living. He has produced nothing of real value, no real skills in making, growing, mining, cleaning, healing, building, powering, designing, inventing etc. Just wealth transfer. And a few govt assist /bailouts or guarantees along the way.

        People have been rewarded for financialization instead of production. Long term capital gains are taxed at 15%, lower than the marginal brackets for some wage earners with highly compensated skills.

    • Cromagnon says:

      I have withdrawn from posting these days mainly but….

      I am assuming that none of the rest of you well meaning folks can hear what I can hear now fairly clearly.

      It is a sound so deeply terrifying that it makes me pull back and away trying to escape its very essence. It transcends mechanical sounds…quadrillions of horse power of deafening roar…….beyond even natural planetary cataclysms…..I was under hurricane Katrina back in the day…..it pales compared to this

      this is something coming up from the supernatural that is beyond human imaginings…….a whirlpool of sound and power that makes the souls cling to realities crumbling edges least they be torn free and flung into that monstrous thing coming…

      My only rational thought is that it is literally a manifestation of a well of souls
      and it is gearing up for true horror…..

      Warren Buffet helped feed that thing what ever it is…betcha he can’t hear it either

      • Mrs S says:

        Bloody hell.

        Cheer us up why don’t you.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Ok – humans are on the verge of extinction so the industrial farming and animal experiments … will soon end

          And you won’t be paying twice for groceries what you paid last year… so there is nothing to be concerned about… just need to stay solvent a little longer

          🙂 🙂 🙂

      • live up to your ancestry cro

        0000s of years ago—cromagnon man invaded europe and killed off or interbred with all we neanderthals

        leading to the superior strain of mongrels we now are

      • Ed says:

        You need an in person friend. Find some one.

        • Good idea. Go walking and meet neighbors. Or visit any local groups that you might join.

          • totally agree

            I belong to several, diverse in activities—so far black balled from none—it really does stretch your mind cro

            and helping other people really does make you realise that lots are far worse off than you are

            • Tsubion says:

              That’s nice. Doing jigsaw puzzles and color by numbers with crayons keeps the mind from drifting off, but how do manage the drool? Does someone wipe your chin on occasion?

      • ivanislav says:

        I’m afraid the proper term for that wailing you hear is … schizophrenia 🙂

        Jokes aside, apparently you haven’t gotten the memo: it is BAU PARTY TIME! I am still waiting for GVB Marek’s or Monkeypox or nukes or *something* to happen. Instead, all I get is a bunch of doomer whinging.

        Anyway, I wouldn’t mind if things hold together a bit longer … my software package is incomplete … once I finish that, THEN everything can go to hell so that I can never make use of it.

      • Ed says:

        Cromag, you are welcome to come and visit me in “the states”.

        • Cromagnon says:

          Why thank you kindly.

          I sometimes think that I should have stayed down in the Florida panhandle and kept my family there rather than returning to the home place up here in the subarctic.

          Regardless, I am braced here now and well into fighting off the fourth wave of invaders into my world…..and I mean real to life sociopathic, narcissistic humans who find delight in causing damage.

          My spiritual investigations followed the first wave of intrusion into my life more than a decade ago/ I have been thorough. You are bright folks on here and I mean no disrespect, but truly biblical things are now in full swing.

          The first seal of the Apocalypse has been broken in 2020…..Appollon shot poisoned arrows
          In the west we will see now see the loss of 1.4 billion jobs to the beast system (AI) in the next 2 years…..yes…..in 2 years,,,,,,

          My “journeys” have given me no signs of hope unfortunately….and I really wanted to find something good……

          I put up a front for my son so he does not know what is coming But he knows his father is deeply worried….and his father has seen some of the worst things this reality can provide.

          As far as schizophrenia goes lol, I cared for two adults for years with the full blown disorder (not blood relatives)….I am unfortunately the most “reality based” person there is.

          That is why I am braced and prepared for dissolution…..because the next wave of crazy coming into our world now might wash me away like a granite boulder caught up on the maelstrom.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        It’s the sound of the gears of BAU grinding … of teeth snapping off… BAU is a massive machine … it makes a lot of noise when it breaks


        Unleash the Cannisters!!! Unleash the Cannisters!!! Strife and Chaos!

  20. ivanislav says:

    Alex Jones says they want to roll out Covid restrictions again:

    It would make sense:
    (1) mail-in ballots for the 2024 election
    (2) depress oil prices and hurt Russia economically

    • Make oil more affordable for citizens again! Help stop inflation.

      • All is Dust says:

        Yep, so far it’s the only con that worked. Monkeypox failed. And there is pushback on the climate change / ULEZ / LTN agenda (finally) here in the UK. Covid seems to be the ticket to compliance.

      • drb753 says:

        MOMAA! With a little sharpie work the hats of 2016 can be updated again, just in time for the new campaign.

    • drb753 says:

      But if producers can further cut production we will still be at square one. Plus diesel price will not be depressed.

      • ivanislav says:

        If that were a panacea, OPEC+ would do it now already.

        Income = price * volume, so income still takes a hit even if you manage to keep price the same by shrinking volume.

    • I AM THE MOB says:

      More stimmies too!

  21. Dennis L. says:

    Well, it is back in some places, from Ga to Ca, mask up!


    I am going to be in school this fall, hope this does not come to MN. No matter what, I shall follow the rules and deal with whatever. I have great hopes for fall, electronics would seem to be safe from some of the extreme ideas on campus.

    We have too many elites and not enough for them to do. We are making a mess out of our educational system; it is terrible for our children and young people.

    Dennis L.

  22. ivanislav says:

    Yesterday’s Ukrainian offensive into Zaporozhye:

    Today’s update on the same location:

    Blue Ukrainian dots are gone … I wonder what happened.

  23. Mirror on the wall says:

    The BRICS summit opens in Africa today. Expansion of BRICS members and de-dollarization are on the agenda.

    Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: “The model of international development built on the exploitation of the resources of the world majority to maintain the well-being of the bolden billion is hopelessly out of date.

    “The international community is tired of the blackmail and pressure from western elites and the colonial and racist manners. That is why, not only Russia, but a number of other countries are consistently reducing their dependence on the USA.”

    PM Modi’s Big Call Before BRICS; Russia Dubs Bloc ‘Pillar Of New World Order’ | Details

    > The stage is set for the all-important BRICS summit amid a big global divide over the Ukraine war. India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi has left for South Africa to attend the 15th BRICS Summit. PM Modi issued a big statement on the multipolar world. This comes as Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called BRICS a pillar of the new world order.

    • The WSJ is saying that not all BRICS are “on board” with expanding membership.


      Brics Nations at Odds Over Adding to Their Number
      Debate about whether and how to expand is likely to feature prominently during group’s summit

      “China and Russia view this as an alternative pole in the world order,” said Priyal Singh, a senior researcher at the Institute for Security Studies, a think tank in Pretoria, South Africa.

      Other members, including Brazil and India, are taking a more hesitant approach to adding to the Brics number.

      Analysts say New Delhi and Brasília would prefer careful deliberations before the induction of new members, and share concerns that an expanded group could become too antagonistic toward the West and destabilize the bloc.

      “Their primary motive for working with Beijing and Moscow is not necessarily that they agree with Beijing and Moscow,” Singh said. “[They] are simply trying to pursue their own sense of strategic autonomy on the world stage.”

      South Africa, the host of this year’s summit, publicly supports an expansion of Brics, but as the group’s smallest member by far, analysts expect it to drag its feet over adding more members, especially from Africa, for fear of diluting its overall standing and importance in the club.

  24. Hubbs says:

    Coal is making a comeback.
    Let me see, so the US ships coal to China so they have the energy to build lower cost solar panels which they then ship back to US. A double dinger on the added cost just for trans ocean transport both ways. Then we add the 10-15% power output loss from the inverter going from DC from the solar panel to AC current wall socket to power our hair driers.


    • From what I can see, it is a whole lot more feasible to ship coal internationally than natural gas. The percentage of total coal extracted that is shipped between major regions has tended to rise for coal, but not for natural gas. For natural gas, the huge amount of infrastructure and storage, and the difficulty of keeping prices stable, are overwhelming problems.

    • Hubbs says:

      It seems that everyone is now more concerned whether this will be another super warm winter this year- even though due to the drop in NG prices here in the US and the increased shipments of LNG to Europe, Europe is approaching or have arrived at full storage capacity by the start of winter. So it will be interesting to see if lady luck strikes twice with another warm winter. Otherwise, the difference between storage capacity and rate of replenishment could diverge, leaving them in the cold by late winter.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      It should be the punchline to a joke… but it’s not.

      The Green Groopies applaud this

  25. Fast Eddy says:

    Reading this https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2715.Salt

    Huge amounts of wood and then coal were used… to boil off water to separate the salt

    • It sounds like evaporating water from salt was another use for energy products we don’t think about. Salt was important in food preservation, if nothing else. We all know that “salary” comes from the word for “salt”.

      • Cynic says:

        And salt was once held in elaborate containers of precious metals on the dining tables of the rich, who looked down from their position ‘above the salt’, actually on raised platforms, on lesser mortals below.

        A loyal servant was ‘worth his salt’.

        • ”salary” is a derivative of the word salt

          • drb753 says:

            It is good to reiterate a tidbit that is only two comments above. You have a lot more in common with FE than you let on.

          • Tim Groves says:

            Actually, Norman Is wrong there. And while what Gail said is similar to what Norman said, Gail is right there.

            The English word salt an be traced back to the Latin word sal, and the English word salary can be traced by to the Latin word salarium, which is a derivative of the Latin word sal.

            Sal means salt, and salarium means salary, and sal is the Latin word for what in English is called salt. However, salary is derived from salarium which is ultimately derived from the word sal. Salary is not derived from the word salt.

  26. Fast Eddy says:

    MOREON- Mobiles

    California Leads the Way

    Most states lack the year-round temperate climate that Californians enjoy, the distribution of EV ownership throughout the nation should be a concern to the auto industry. With 40 percent of the EV’s in America being in California, that leaves the other 60 percent being among the other 49 States, or approximately 1+ percent per State.

    To support the State’s EV growth, California imports more electricity than any other US state, more than twice the amount of Virginia, the second largest importer of electricity. California typically receives between one-fifth and one-third of its electricity supply from outside of the state.

    The other 49 states have virtually non-existent EV charging infrastructures, and a few of them may be exporting their electricity to California!

    UK Madness
    As of May 30, 2022, in the UK, new home and workplace chargers being installed must be “smart” chargers” connected to the internet and able to employ pre-sets limiting their ability to function from 8 am to 11 am and 4 pm to 10 pm.

    In addition to the nine hours a day of downtime, authorities will be able to impose a “randomized delay” of 30 minutes on individual chargers in certain areas to prevent grid spikes at other times.

    The UK Electric Vehicles (Smart Charge Points) Regulations 2021 came into force on June 30, 2022. All home installed electric vehicle chargers are required to be separately metered and send information to the Smart meter data communications network. Potentially this legislation allows the electricity used for charging EVs to be charged and taxed at a higher rate than domestic electricity. The technology enacted also enables the rationing of electricity for EV charging because the government can decide when and if an EV can be charged, plus it also allows the EV battery to be drained into the grid if required.


    • People who think that they will really be able to charge their electric vehicles when and where they want are dreaming, I am afraid.

      California is electricity deficient to begin with. Its solar panels+batteries help run air conditioners in summer. California has already discovered the problems in dealing with imported electricity. It may not be there when California wants it.

  27. Fast Eddy says:

    It’s actually quite funny this fake war https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/83967

    • Text:

      The first video with Yevgeny Prigozhin appeared

      “We are working. Temperature +50°. Everything we love. The Wagner Group conducts reconnaissance and search activities. Makes Russia even greater on all continents! And Africa even more free. Justice and happiness for the African peoples. Nightmare of “ISIS”, “Al-Qaeda” and other terrorists. We hire real heroes and continue to fulfill the tasks that were set and to which we made a promise that we could handle it, ”Prigozhin said in the video.”

  28. I AM THE MOB says:

    Bear Stearns Collapse March 16, 2008
    Lehman Brothers Collapse September 15, 2008

    Silicon Valley Bank Collapse March 10, 2023
    ******************* Collapse September 15, 2023

    Charles Schwab owes 130% of their total equity capital to short duration FHLB loans that have to be paid back soon.

    Total assets $350 billion… There’s your September Lehman Brothers.


    • We remember that Federal Home Loan Bonds are lending of close to last resort, for banks that are in financial difficulty.

      Charles Schwab at $350 billion is about 72% larger than Silicon Valley Bank. It is is a whole lot smaller than JP Morgan or Wells Fargo, for example. I wonder if a Charles Schwab default could be papered over in a way similar to that for SVB.

    • Xabier says:

      My former wife married someone at Bear Stearns. The collapse was delicious from my point of view. Every cloud, a silver lining!

      • ivanislav says:

        How magnificent!

        • Xabier says:

          I must admit that an exquisite sensation of what FE calls Schad surged though me.

          Then he got another job in finance, and that firm also failed.

          They are now divorced. Poor fellow must be paying through the nose (2 kids).

          This is, sometimes, the best of all possible worlds…….

          • ivanislav says:

            And the story gets better! Were I in your shoes, the thought of their fiasco would never fail to bring a smile.

            • Xabier says:

              Not only a smile, but a lovely warm fuzzy feeling from top to toe, like I imagine a peach in the sun would feel.

              Vampire woman sunk her teeth in the wrong prey…….

      • I AM THE MOB says:

    • woodchuck says:

      A lot of our money is in a Schwab brokerage account. One more thing to worry about.

  29. Fast Eddy says:

    Marianne B and her partner had owned their Paris flat for seven years when they decided to buy a bigger one after their second child was born. They discovered the perfect apartment for a price that fell within their budget.

    But then they spoke to lenders — and decided to plunge back into the rental market instead. Their reason: the cost of credit.

    “Borrowing €800,000 would cost us €500,000 [in interest] compared with €50,000 for €500,000 in 2019,” said Marianne, who asked that her full name not be used. “It just doesn’t make sense. We’re going to have to turn to a rental again.”

    Like Marianne’s family, many Europeans are being pushed into rentals as high borrowing costs, income requirements and the need for large deposits make buying homes unfeasible. But they are joining an already heated market.


    • drb753 says:

      I weep for poor Marianne. Thanks for bringing all these soft touch stories to all of us.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Before it’s over poor Marianne will be Out Back a Paris Dumpster… trading favours for stale croissants …

    • I suspect that ultimately, the owners of all of these rental properties will discover huge defaults. And the value of the buildings won’t really buy the goods and services that owners now expect. Governments will be hesitant to kick renters out.

      Banks will also experience defaults on mortgage payments, but no government will kick the owners out.

      It is those attempting to make money from the income of others that will come out very short.

  30. el mar says:

    I think it is completely impossible that the richer part of mankind and the so-called civilization will get back the life they were used to until 2019.

    The decreasing marginal utility of planetary use (Gossens laws) is the simple, underlying reason for this: Overshoot.

    A self-organizing system is now making the inevitable adjustments: Less of everything. This will go from a slow-sliding avalanche to a nosedive, comparable to a stall of an airplane without sufficient thrust, due to complexity and the capitalist compulsion to grow. Aliens, climate mania, pandemics, wars, false flag actions, corruption.

    The wealthy string-pullers, who have politicians and media in the palm of their hands, are now performing all sorts of show dances and narratives to prolong the game for themselves and their networks.

    In the process, they can achieve partial successes and send selected nations or segments of the population into the abyss earlier than others.

    However, they cannot outsmart the laws of thermodynamics and natural system dynamics.

    The tunnel


    el mar

    • I am afraid what you write is correct:

      “The wealthy string-pullers, who have politicians and media in the palm of their hands, are now performing all sorts of show dances and narratives to prolong the game for themselves and their networks.

      In the process, they can achieve partial successes and send selected nations or segments of the population into the abyss earlier than others.”

      • Dennis L. says:

        What has happened to Europe might suggest we are closer to serious problems than one would like. Germany is becoming a basket case.

        Dennis L.

        • artleads says:

          Europe’s best bet–the part of it that’s worth anything–is to partner with the progressive agenda for Africa–the part of it that makes the most sense.

        • Sam says:

          I don’t disagree but what evidence do you have of this?

      • Artleads says:

        And you resist those string pullers best by having a rigorous plan and program for the specific communities you care most about. You’ll be challenged to find people to support you, but the mere fact of trying will change he dynamics of the string pullers somehow.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      The self organizing system … is extincting the human species…

      Just as thousands upon thousands of other species… have been extincted .. by the self organizing system since the beginning of time

      We are not special. We have not ‘god-given’ right to surive.

      So we won’t

  31. Fast Eddy says:

    The federal government has already begun buying COVID-19 equipment and hiring consultants to enforce pandemic-era “safety protocols.”

    Some of these contracts are scheduled to begin in September and October.

    see the contract https://t.me/EdwardDowdReal/311

    Starting to feel a bit queasy yet?


  32. Fast Eddy says:

    China’s economic troubles are a result of the post-2008 ‘debt supercycle’ finally coming back to bite it, Harvard economist says


    Explosive growth … in dept…


    Let’s face it — China was the last gasp… immense ghost cities… debt-based prosperity…

    The whole shebang is way too big to bail … we are talking tens upon tens of trillions … then there is the US CRE and a cratering housing market…

    I see no way out of this… no way to kick the can much further

    Time to Detonate the Cannisters

  33. Ed says:

    US State department warns Americans to leave Belarus immediately.

    I do not think US and its vassals will back down. Slow creep to WW3.

  34. Fast Eddy says:


    New Covid variant BA.6 ‘likely’ present in US, experts warn as calls for masking return – Insider Paper

    A new Covid variant called the BA.6, which has led to discussions about bringing masks back, might already be present in the US

    • I AM THE MOB says:

      Christmas will be cancelled.

      Enjoy your Ramen with your face mask!!

    • Ed says:

      Can’t we, pass it through the ferrets, and get a really infectious version?

      I love the phrase “pass it through the ferrets”.

      • I AM THE MOB says:

        They lock down again. It’s going to be from the Federal level with Biden. Trump let the states do it..

        Just something to keep in mind.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        come on man… they don’t want to spook the Vaxxers and set off a mass panic… that would ruin decades of planning…

        Best that they be herded towards the Meat Grinder calmly completely unaware of where they are headed…

        The primary purpose is to ensure the extinction happens … with minimal suffering …

        So far Mr DNA has not the slightest clue … the dummmb beast is still 4nicating off of Tinder… being sated with KFC and Big Gulps… oblivious to the immense danger he is in …

        Off to za uvens wiz Mr DNA … hahaha… sucker


  35. Fast Eddy says:

    Atlanta College Reinstates Masks Mandates, Social Distancing, Contract Tracing & More Effective Immediately


    • Ed says:

      If the enemy want to hurt its self let it.

      More booster for college, government, corporations. More masks, more distance, more psyop brain f*** for them.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The new spike in deaths that comes with every booster … will keep the SSers busy… going round and round in circles…

        Surely everyone can sense that this might be the end … the end of days… that we are now facing?

        • Xabier says:

          There is some excellent information on SS, although almost no one there wants to hear about energy and resource limits.

          I have a list of some 24 good-quality substacks, by dedicated and decent people; but what will they, and all the thousands of comments do to stop the Planners’ steamroller, now revving up for ‘Pandemic II’ the sequel ?


          • Fast Eddy says:

            When I’ve asked about this … I am told by some of the SS authors that the goal is to spread the word about the vax injured and dead… believing that the Vaxxers will eventually wake up — and this will result in massive opposition to the injections — they’ll realize they’ve been poisoned – and we’ll get Nuremburg 2.0.

            When I point out that the PR Team has the Vaxxers believing most injuries and deaths are Long Covid thereby reinforcing their faith in the Rat Juice… they go silent.

            I suspect as the days pass –this silence morphs into despair…. recognition that they are up against a juggernaut… the PR Team is too good.

            Any intrusions involving the financial calamity that is brewing or the deep depletion of affordable energy — and a connection to the Rat Juice… is mostly ignored… they fall back on the endless repetitive mantra of Fauci Evil .. it’s about $$$… 5G…. Great Reset … NWO….

            Basically most of them are just as dummmmb as the Vaxxers…. they are being run around by their noses by the PR Team who are selling them a wide range of nonsense.

            These fools are grab every hook that is tossed into the water and like norm/keith … they will never change their minds…

            Understandable to a certain extent… humans need hopium… just as they need food water and air….

            • Xabier says:

              Sums it up well, FE.

              Substack fantasies of justice, vengeance and a purified world.

              We will soon see just how much ‘awakening’ there has been, and what power of resistance has been cultivated, when mandates return……

  36. Fast Eddy says:

    Myocarditis Rates Are So High That Dr. McCullough Reports Seeing Two Cases PER DAY

    “I’m a cardiologist. I can tell you before COVID-19, I saw two cases of myocarditis my entire career … two cases over decades. Now, I see two cases per day in the clinic.”

    Watch the full discussion with Doctors Peter McCullough, Roger Hodkinson, William Makis & more here:


    • Myocarditis, particularly in young men, seems to be an after effect of covid-19 vaccinations. The article says:

      “Preclinical studies have pinpointed nattokinase, an enzyme found in fermented soybeans, as a potential aid in degrading the spike protein.” The spike protein is behind a lot of things.

      People in Japan often eat the fermented soybeans. The women, especially, have long life expectancies. I have been talking “natto” as a supplement to help get calcium into my bones, to help prevent osteoporosis.

      • Xabier says:

        On the other hand, don’t we see some alarming figures from Japan for vaxx deaths and injuries?

        I fear many are chasing an illusion of safety from the after-effects of being vaxxed. But why not try it?

  37. Fast Eddy says:

    Growing Concern Vaccine Heart Damage in Adolescents May be PERMANENT

    Hong Kong study finds 58 percent of COVID-19 vaccine myocarditis confirmed by MRI not resolved at one year.

    Article: https://bit.ly/3QTDied

    Scarring is permanent … duh

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    Funny this

    TURBO CANCER – Social Media Influencers on Youtube, Instagram, TikTok are getting Turbo Cancers – 20 Social Media stars with a combined 60+million subscribers have been diagnosed with CANCER

    Written by Dr. William Makis


  39. Fast Eddy says:

    norm will laugh at this … if he watches… but this is on par with the logic he displays on OFW — he walks away https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/50645

  40. Tim Groves says:

    And now for something completely different.

    A lot of people believe that 12 men walked on the moon. Indeed, almost everybody I talk to about the matter believe this official fact to be self-evident.

    “It must have happened; I saw it on television!” is a common response.

    Fewer people know the next official fact: According to the official narrative, 29 people have travelled around the moon, including the 12 have landed on its surface.

    And even less people are aware that all 29 astronauts were Americans, all 29 were men, all 29 were white, and all 29 were Christian In fact, according to NASA, 23 were Protestant and six were Catholic, with a high proportion of them serving as church leaders in their congregations.

    If they never went to the moon, these 29 astronauts would all have to have been “in on it”. They would have to have have been engaged in lying and deception. The Bible is clear that lying is a sin and is displeasing to God. The first sin in this world involved a lie told to Eve by the Infernal Serpent. At the very least, this is indicative that they did actually go, because if you can’t trust 29 Christian astronauts, who can you trust?

    On the other hand, I have brought up twice so far the film of the Apollo 11 lift off that showed unequivocally that the rocket was traveling much too slowly when it passed though the highest cirrus cloud layer for it to have delivered its payload into earth orbit. Nobody here has debunked that claim. Norman is smart and Keith is smarter, and both believe 12 men walked on the moon. But neither Norman nor Keith even acknowledged the point I had raised, either to debunk it, or to affirm it, or even to say, “You may have a point there!”

    They didn’t know what to do with the information, so they ignored it, as if it didn’t exist and I hadn’t raised it. As the Japanese say: “Monkey no see; Monkey no hear; Monkey no speak desho.”

    And today, I have another inconvenient piece of information that would appear to negate the story that men walked on the moon.

    This one concerns the Chinese, who sent an unmanned rover called Chang′e-3 to the moon in 2013. That rover took rock samples and analyzed them using an alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer.

    Intriguingly, although Apollo sites span a wide area of the Moon, the alleged chemical results were relatively similar at all these sites. However, the Chinese samples are VASTLY different. As the writer of this article, Russ Winter, writes: “Are we even talking about the same Moon?”

    I’ll stop here, but the article is a lot of fun. After absorbing this, any intellectually honest Apollo narrative defender has to suspend their belief and entertain some doubts and questions. Indeed, if you still remain unshaken in your belief NASA sent 12 men to the moon, I have a piece of lunar camembert cheese to sell you.


    • Id better not comment in case i’m accused of mud slinging here

      • Tim Groves says:

        But you did comment, and you once again ignored the evidence in front of your eyes and under your nose.

        I don’t blame you. It doesn’t look very easy to refute. But I’m hoping Keith will have a go at that. If it is dodgy Chinese data or an outright fabrication, he should be able to tell us how.

        • Keith Henson says:

          Why not assert the D day didn’t happen?

          BTW, you can still bounce lasers off the reflectors left on the moon.

    • postkey says:

      So how did the US laser reflectors ‘end up on the moon’?

  41. Fast Eddy says:

    Excellent – keith will be pleased … no need for an appointment just drive up haha

    Stew Peters reporting drive up terminals at Target, are they really going to try this whole lockdown crap again?


      • Fast Eddy says:

        Day-ja Voo

        Gotta get the Vaxxers amped up before dumping the contents of the cannisters on them and igniting the Great Extinction.

        This is how one would expect it to re-start… prep them so it all seems completely natural… build up the fear … then WHAM!

        This time what they said was happening last time (faked … it was no worse than the flu if they had not given Remdeath and Midaz to the suckers) will actually happen… the Vaxxers will pour into the hospitals… more and more and more of them will be sickened cuz they have VAIDS and the lab folks made a Special Gift for the Vaxxers … hahaha

        A very Special Gift….

        The hospitals will be overrun and the poor sad Vaxxers will lie dying in the parking lots… then when the parking lots are full they’ll stay home and die in bed….

        And because all the doctors and nurses and other hospital staff are Vaxxers — guess what — there won’t be anyone to help the norms and keiths of this world haha… totally f789ed.

        ‘course the financial system and supply chains quickly implode so the supermarkets go empty… but most won’t notice cuz they are sick and dying … cuz VAIDS…

        The A Vaxxers will notice cuz we’ll start to starve 🙁

        Hopefully the www will stay up for a bit … Fast Eddy is gonna say the Last Rites to ya’ll.. cuz he is being The Messiah and all that…

        But no doubt that can’t last cuz no electricks then no wwws…. black out ….

        Think about how that first night will be — sittin there in the dark… you light up a candle… no tee vee no radio … mabye some sirens EEEE Awwwwing…. otherwise silence…

        First couple of nights… not too bad… but then what’s that noise… someone is trying to bust in the back door… oh f789… it’s the bad guys…

        Hopefully we get the Super Fent…

        • I AM THE MOB says:

          Remember the football stadiums converted to field hospitals that were totally empty?

          Like in Seattle.

          I got a feeling they won’t be this time.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            The unfortunate thing is … almost all the medical staff is Vaxxed… not that it matters… how does one treat 6 billion people for whom there is no treatment…

            It will be like the chickens that exposed to a hot version of Marek’s …. at least they won’t starve… or be faced with committing Super Fent suicide…

            Is it too late to get a shot of Rat Juice?

  42. I AM THE MOB says:

    Hollywood breaks the ice and brings back MASKS!

    Lionsgate Reinstates Mask Mandate In Parts Of Santa Monica Office Following Covid Outbreak

  43. Tim Groves says:

    New York is exceptional. Any kind of disaster, it always hits New York harder—Nine-11, COVID, King Kong, Godzilla……

    = = = = = =

    New York City’s spring 2020 mass-casualty event is a global and domestic outlier that warrants closer scrutiny. How do common explanations for a weekly death rate that peaked at 600% above normal hold up against daily events and data points? In this two-part presentation, Dr. Jessica Hockett shares aspects of her hypothesis in progress about what happened – and what it suggests about whether the New York mortality experience is evidence that a global viral pandemic occurred. Content includes data Dr. Hockett has obtained via public records requests, as well as already-public datasets that media and researchers overlook.

    Dr. Hockett has a PhD in educational psychology from the University of Virginia. For over 20 years, she worked in and with schools and agencies in the U.S., Canada, and South America, to improve curriculum, instruction, and programmes. Her publications include numerous articles related to the education field, as well as three books: Exam Schools: Inside America’s Most Selective Public High Schools, Differentiation in Middle and High School: Strategies to Engage All Learners Differentiation in the Elementary Grades: Strategies to Engage & Equip All Learners. Jessica’s current work involves policy research and analysis for the National Opportunity Project, a government watchdog and education nonprofit. Her paper on the implementation of federal Covid relief funds for nonpublic schools was released this spring https://www.nationalopportunity.org/eans-funding-report/ A forthcoming paper focuses on politically/ideologically-biased teacher-hiring practices in K12 public schools.

    In the Covid-response era, Jessica used her Twitter account and Substack to push against mandates and for common sense. She leveraged her research skills and investigative tenacity to obtain public records, communicate directly with government officials, and gather data that uncovered illegalities and inefficacies of harmful orders and policies. Highlights of her research was exposing the University of Illinois’ false claims to FDA EUA for its Covid saliva test; assisting with a lawsuit against Chicago’s vaccine passport; testifying as a data analyst in a vaccine mandate arbitration case; helping lead the fight for mask choice in schools and churches; homeschooling her two children in 2020-21; and being censored by and banned for almost six months from Twitter.

    = = = =

    This is nearly two hours long. It’s a Powerpoint presentation accompanied by a chat. Not for everybody, but very good listening for the kind of person who likes talk radio.


  44. CTG says:

    I have said this a few times and I will say it again. Human civilization is doom for total collapse. The mentality has already set it. We are being penalized for “being too early”. Even on OFW, we have people who said “You have said that since 2016 or 2008”.

    Some people are “gifted” or “cursed” depending on how you look at things with the ability to see way and far beyond what others can see. They can see like 10 steps ahead. The caveman who said that “oh no, you guys have started to use fire and it will cause the collapse of our species” are just 100,000 years too early. The rest of the cavemen have no idea what he was talking. Well, it will go on until it is just too late. Way way too late.

    Collapsed would have happened in the 1970s had it not for the debts substituting the lack of cheap oil. Collapsed would have happened the following years had it not for them changing the rules and moving the goal posts (like changing the constituents of CPI, suspending mark to market, etc). Had the same rule being used, then collapsed would have happened.

    Both parties must share the blame of “You said that many times but collapse did not happen”. The person predicting it did not take into account that rules were changes to put a band aid over the mortal wound. The person mocking the predictor just simply did not use his/her brain to thing critically. Just because it does not collapse now does not mean that all are good.

    In the grand scheme of things, the collapse of modern human civilization, if a future archeologist were to say it happened around the year 2000AD, plus minus 50 years. He is not going to say it collapsed on 31st August 2023 and by the following week, all he_ll broke loose and completely broken supply chain ensured that 90% of the humans were wiped off and the spent fuel ponds killed off the rest within 2 years.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Excellent post as usual… this offsets the various MOREONIC posts we’ve seen this week.

      What is impossible to predict is what the Elders and their Deep State minions will do to try to delay collapse. They can and will break every rule in the book … if it buys another month.

      The thing is …

      Their big guns – stimulus – bail outs – record low interest rates — will now only make the situation worse if deployed… maybe they have other ideas – I doubt it…

      Tick… tock….

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        “… maybe they have other ideas – I doubt it…”

        that’s consistent from you, where you lack any subtle understandings of the intricacies of global economics, and so you doubt that “they” have minds superior to yours where “they” can come up with patches to push Collapse farther into the future.

        “they” did it MANY times before and are continuing in 2023.

        “they” are surely much smarter than you.

        “Tick… tock….”

        yes, it’s coming, see CTG above, by 2050.

        ha ha 2050 ha ha.

        • CTG says:

          Do take note that I subscribe to the simulation theory. It will collapse when it collapse. Not a minute early, not a minute late.

          I changed my view many times in my lifetime and many of them are 180°. This is one of the change.

          • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

            fine, the Collapse in this Simulation will happen by the simulated year 2050.

            same difference whether it’s a Simulation or not.

            wooooooo 2050 wooooooo.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          2050 is the Yr of the Horse…

          2023 is the Yr of the Rabbit – which is what he is carving into his chest

          It’s ok … everyone else dies too… you won’t miss out on any fun… in fact the sooner you die the less chaos and strife you will experience

          It’s a bit surreal… 8+ billion … to be wiped off …the face of the Earth…


          Poor Hoolio — he trusts FE to ensure no harm comes to him …


    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “Collapsed would have happened in the 1970s had it not for the debts substituting the lack of cheap oil. Collapsed would have happened the following years had it not for them changing the rules and moving the goal posts (like changing the constituents of CPI, suspending mark to market, etc). Had the same rule being used, then collapsed would have happened.”

      the implication of this paragraph is that “they” will attempt changes to do what “they” can to push Collapse farther into the future.

      do you fully understand what you wrote?

      Collapse “would have happened” in the first half of 2023, but “they” didn’t just throw up their hands and say “oh well we adapted in the past but it’s 2023 and it’s just too hard to keep adapting” do you see?

      “… a future archeologist were to say it happened around the year 2000AD, plus minus 50 years.”

      excellent comment here!

      the surplus energy is declining slooooowly, so we ARE in the beginning stages of a collapsing economy, and it should collapse completely by “2000AD, plus minus 50 years” which extends to 2050.

      excellent estimate, longer than I would have guessed, but yes let’s go with 2050.

      • CTG says:

        Where are we now?


        Click on the link above for the image because WordPress does not seem to show images anymore

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          yes I think Seneca was spot on.

          Seneca was an interesting simulation, think so?

          so that simulated cliff will be closer to the simulated year 2000 plus minus 50, which extends to 2050.

          so the simulated cliff perhaps around the simulated year 2040.

          que sera sera.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          We are paused at the pinnacle… staring at the abyss… yet most people are gathered up there on the peak admiring the view.

          Completely clueless as to what is transpiring

      • Fast Eddy says:

        hahahahahaha … simply hilarious

        A word comes to mind … starts with D – ends with H .. 3 letters

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          the referee is stopping me, he says you are a mental midget and I am a heavyweight, so I might have to go to court because I should have known, given all the vast evidence here of your mental limitations.

          he says you’ve been pummelled enough, so I will probably let up now on the well deserved beattdowns.

          oh well, go save on taxes in WA because why?

          oh yes, Collapse is almost here but you gotta go save on your 2024 taxes.

          ha ha 2050 ha ha.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            You can be whatever you want to be in DelusiSTAN.. but we know who The King is .. here in RealitySTAN…. (part time Messiah)

    • Ravi Uppal says:

      +1 ,CTG . Well explained .

    • postkey says:

      “Collapsed would have happened in the 1970s had it not for the debts substituting the lack of cheap oil.”?

      “The crisis now unfolding, however, is entirely different to the 1970s in one crucial respect…

      The 1970s crisis was largely artificial. When all is said and done, the oil shock was nothing more than the emerging OPEC cartel asserting its newfound leverage following the peak of continental US oil production. There was no shortage of oil any more than the three-day-week had been caused by coal shortages. What they did, perhaps, give us a glimpse of was what might happen in the event that our economies depleted our fossil fuel reserves before we had found a more versatile and energy-dense alternative. . . .

      That system has been on the life-support of quantitative easing and near zero interest rates ever since. Indeed, so perilous a state has the system been in since 2008, it was essential that the people who claim to be our leaders avoid doing anything so foolish as to lockdown the economy or launch an undeclared economic war on one of the world’s biggest commodity exporters . . .

      And this is why the crisis we are beginning to experience will make the 1970s look like a golden age of peace and tranquility. . . .

      The sad reality though, is that our leaders – at least within the western empire – have bought into a vision of the future which cannot work without some new and yet-to-be-discovered high-density energy source (which rules out all of the so-called green technologies whose main purpose is to concentrate relatively weak and diffuse energy sources). .

      . . Even as we struggle to reimagine the 1970s in an attempt to understand the current situation, the only people on Earth today who can even begin to imagine the economic and social horrors that await western populations are the survivors of the 1980s famine in Ethiopia, the hyperinflation in 1990s Zimbabwe, or, ironically, the Russians who survived the collapse of the Soviet Union.” ?


    • Xabier says:

      We were right all along: in 2000 we were already living the process, of Collapse, it just wasn’t discernible to most.

      As it progresses, it will be untelligible to most as well.

      I wonder what a buffalo being eaten alive by hyenas thinks as each bite is taken? It is after all, a once-in-a-lifetime experience! Does it hope that it’s all a bad dream and will soon wake up to continue grazing as normal?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The Beginning of the End

        JUNE 13, 2003 – There is increasing evidence that massive economic stimulus — monetary, courtesy of the Federal Reserve, and fiscal, thanks to the president and supply-side minded lawmakers — is taking hold. The magnitude of the policy turnaround, which caps a constructive, multi-year reflation process, should overwhelm the economic negatives — including the drag from expensive oil and poor finances at the state- and local-government levels.

        Expensive oil and its impact on other energy costs remains a concern.

        The current level of U.S. monetary stimulus is massive. Real interest rates have fallen 5.2 percent from December 2000 to March 2003, reaching -1.2 percent. A swing of this magnitude may be historical.

        Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/207227/reversal-fortune-david-malpass

    • Jan says:

      Collapse would have happened during WW2, when Germany send troops by horse to Stalingrad. Collapse would have happened end of the Middle Ages, when the growing trade and metal technology allowed higher outcomes from the fields but on the account of heavily overused woods and forests. We don’t know how much the aspiration after luxury, following the example of Versailles, helped to the overuse.

      We also see overuse of resources in Roman times.

      The point is, that carrying capacity depends on man’s insight and actions! Biology is an ever changing process, the idea that biology may find a natural state of a balanced stability is false. There are a lot of biological and cosmical impacts that leas to changes and flora and fauna has to react. Man has been very successful in adapting to different conditions and quick reactions as his behaviour is not hard wired, but now a generation seems to be stuck in the oildrum.

      There are several approaches to “harvest nature” and they have different outcomes on how many people can be fed. For the European climates probably intensive gardening plus bovines for using the grass lands arè the most effective. The bovines seem to convert grass to fertilizer much quicker and more effective than compost. Plants that are cared for, freed from weed and carefully watered, can invest more energy into larger or more oily fruits. The arable land in Europe was during the Middle Ages larger than today – a lot of areas have been concreted or afforested. If we spend a lot of our “harvesting” into the luxury life of our elites or into carrying food around (instead of growing it next to where people live), then we can feed less population. If we settle close to our gardens, the settlements needn’t be strategically perfect for military security or trade. Building material cannot be carried to the gardens but have to come from the site itself. There are ideas that the technology of building houses led to a specific way of settlement in the past. A 30m trunk is not carried so easily, not to think of any megalithic constructions.

      All that make predictions and calculations very difficult. I would say, when the average city kid dreams of surviving in the forests like Robin Hood, there is no chance. Living in the woods is different from camping.

      So if we want to give as many people a chance to survive the end of cheap oil, we need to teach and develop basic skills that they can use as a start to find their own methods. There will not be a return to Garden Eden as many see the Hunter Gatherer era. The switch towards farming is connected with a loss of the large grasslands and it’s prey – mainly due to climate change. This prey does not exist anymore today. The amount of deer in the forests also depends on the trees growing in the forests. As most of the European forests are afforested and artificially planted – though they are considered to be nature – all these Garden Eden ideas and the ever stable equilibrum of nature with a diminished population are far from reality and cultural dreams.

      Garden Eden is what we create with responsibility and give it to our children as a start.

    • For many people, the collapse is already here. They are the young people out of school who cannot find jobs that would seem appropriate for their degree. They are the young men who do not have a steady enough job (that pays well enough) to be able to get married and have a family. These are the people who find drugs attractive, and often end up with drug overdoses.

      And there are the pharmaceutical companies that would do anything to earn more money. And colleges and universities that essentially lie to their students about what is likely ahead. Truth has left many places people expect to find it.

    • Dennis L. says:

      I will say it again and again: there will be bumps but we are meant to be here, the universe is expanding. A few years is nothing in the fabric of the universe; something has been busy for a long time in human years, they will think of something and indeed as we only see history due to the speed of light, it has already been dealt with.

      Every tyrant who tried to eliminate humans has basically failed, one way or another. Greed is not treated kindly by the universe, with simple reading of the universe it will give us limitless wealth, there is plenty out there for all.

      The universe may be conscious, quantum mechanics may be part of the thought process and entanglement is the reason observation messes with “reality.” Penrose has this idea I think. Or reality only exists when we entangle it with our observation which is quantum mechanical in the brain. No one understands consciousness, yet.

      Or the universe knows what we are thinking and we are more a part of that universe than we know. Easy to get all tangled up in that sort of thing.

      Dennis L.

  45. Fast Eddy says:

    Deaths up 14%, Natural Birth Increase Down 28%, Disability is up 37.5%


  46. Fast Eddy says:

    Tori Spelling hospitalized (again); NASCAR’s Tommy Baldwin, Jr. diagnosed with cancer; NHL’s Brad Maxwell battling lung cancer; DJ Chris Evans diagnosed with skin cancer

    TV star Nunzia De Girolamo “fainted just before going on air”; Aussie DJ Matt James diagnosed with multiple myeloma; Taiwanese pilot “incapacitated” mid-flight; NZ deaths/disabilities up, births down


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