Fossil Fuel Imports Are Already Constrained

For many years, there has been a theory that imports of oil would become a problem before there was an overall shortage of fossil fuels. In fact, when I look at the data, it seems to be clear that oil imports are already constrained.

Figure 1. Interregional trade of fossil fuels based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

As I look at the data, it appears to me that coal and natural gas imports are becoming constrained, as well. There was evidence of this constrained supply in the spiking prices for these fuels in Europe in late 2021 and early 2022, starting well before the Ukraine conflict began.

Oil, coal, and natural gas are different enough from each other that we should expect somewhat different patterns. Oil is inexpensive to transport. It is especially important for the production of food and for transportation. Prices tend to be worldwide prices.

Coal and natural gas are both more expensive to transport than oil. They tend to be used in industry, in the heating and cooling of buildings, and in electricity production. Their prices tend to be local prices, rather than the worldwide price we expect for oil. Prices for importers of these fuels can jump very high if there are shortages.

In this post, I first look at the trends in the overall supply of these fuels, since a big part of the import problem is fossil fuel supply not growing quickly enough to keep pace with world population growth. I also give more background how the three fossil fuels differ.

After this introductory material, I provide charts and some analysis of fossil fuel imports and exports by region, based on data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy. Theoretically, the total of regional imports should be very close to the total of regional exports. This analysis gives a little more insight into what is going wrong and where.

[1] On a worldwide basis, total supplies of both oil and coal seem to be constrained.

Figure 2. World consumption of oil, coal, and natural gas based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

Figure 2 shows that world supplies of all three fossil fuels follow the same general pattern: They tend to rise in close to parallel lines, with oil supply on top, coal next, and natural gas providing the least supply.

The total supply of fossil fuels needs to be shared by the world’s population. It therefore makes sense to look at supply on a per capita basis.

Figure 3. World per capita consumption of oil, coal, and natural gas, based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

On Figure 3, the top line, oil supply per capita, is almost perfectly level, suggesting that having a greater supply of oil enables having a larger world population. This relationship makes sense because oil is used to a significant extent in growing today’s food, and shipping it to market. Oil products also make herbicides, insecticides, and drugs for animals that enable the growing supply of food needed to feed today’s population. Oil products are also helpful in road making, and in providing lubrication for machinery of all kinds.

We might conclude that oil supply is essential to the growth of human population. It is only by way of a huge change in the economy, such as the one that took place in 2020, that there is a big dip in oil usage. Even now, some of the changes are “sticking.” Some people are continuing to work from home. Business travel is still low. People are still not buying fancy clothing as much as before 2020. All these things help reduce fossil fuel usage, particularly oil usage.

Figure 3 also shows that on a per capita basis, coal supply has fallen by 9% since its peak in 2011. This fact, plus the fact that coal prices have been spiking around the world in recent years, leads me to believe that coal supply is already constrained, even apart from the export issue.

[2] The share of oil traded interregionally is more than double the share of coal or natural gas traded interregionally.

The reason why oil is disproportionately high in Figure 1 compared to Figure 2 is because a little over 40% of oil is shipped between regions. In comparison, only about 18% of coal production is traded with other regions, and about 17% of natural gas production is shipped interregionally. Oil is much easier (and cheaper) to transport between regions than either coal or natural gas. Shipping costs tend to escalate rapidly, the farther either natural gas or coal is shipped.

Natural gas has a second problem over and above the high cost of shipping: It requires storage (which may be high cost) if it is not used immediately. Storage is needed for both natural gas and coal because both fuels are often used for heat in winter, either by direct burning or by creating electricity that can be used to heat buildings. Storage for coal is close to free because it can be stored in piles outside.

Besides heat in winter, coal is also used to provide electricity for air conditioning in summer, so its demand curve has peaks in both summer and winter. Natural gas is much more of a winter-heat fuel in the US, so it has a large peak corresponding to winter usage (Figure 4).

Figure 4. Coal and natural gas consumption by month based on data of the US Energy Information Administration.

Storage for natural gas needs to be available in every area where users expect to use it for winter heat. The cost of this storage will be low if there are depleted natural gas caverns that can be used for storage. It is likely to be high if above ground storage is required. Natural gas importing areas often do not have suitable caverns for storage. The easy approach is to try to get by with a bare minimum of storage, and hope that imports can somehow make up the difference.

The big question for any fuel is, “Can consumers afford to pay a high enough price to cover all the costs involved in getting the fuel from endpoint to endpoint, at the time it is needed?

Citizens become very unhappy if the cost of winter heat becomes extremely expensive. They demand subsidies and rebates from the government, in order to keep costs down. This is a sign that prices are too high for the consumer.

Both coal and natural gas are also heavily used in manufacturing. Their prices vary greatly from location to location and from time to time. If coal or natural gas prices rise in a particular location, the cost of manufactured goods from that location will also tend to rise. These higher prices will particularly hurt a manufacturing country, such as Germany, because its manufactured goods will become less competitive in the world marketplace. GDP growth will be reduced, and the profitably of manufacturers will tend to fall.

Because of these issues, long-distance trade in both coal and natural gas tend to hit barriers that may be difficult to see simply by looking at the trend in world production.

[3] Natural gas exports may already be becoming constrained, even though the total amount extracted still seems to be rising.

A huge amount of investment is needed to make long-distance sale of natural gas possible. Such investment includes:

  • The cost of developing a natural gas field for export use, usually over many years.
  • Pipelines covering every inch traveled by the natural gas, other than any portion of the trip for which transfer as liquefied natural gas (LNG) is planned.
  • Special ships to transport the LNG.
  • Facilities to chill natural gas, so it can be shipped overseas as LNG.
  • Regasification plants, to make the natural gas ready to ship by pipeline after it has been transferred as LNG.
  • Storage facilities, so that sufficient natural gas is available for winter.

Not all of these investments are made by the same organizations. They all need to provide an adequate return. Even if “only” very long-distance pipelines are used, the cost can be high.

Pipelines work best when there is no conflict among countries. They can be blown up by another country that seeks to raise natural gas prices, or that wants to retaliate for some perceived misdeed. For this reason, most growth in natural gas exports/imports in recent years has been as LNG.

Organizations investing in high-cost infrastructure for extracting and shipping natural gas would like long-term contracts at high prices in order to cover their costs. Without a stable long-term supply contract, natural gas purchase prices can be extremely variable. Japan has tended to buy LNG under such long-term contracts, but many other countries have taken a wait-and-see attitude toward prices, hoping that “spot” prices will be lower. They don’t want to lock themselves into a long-term high-priced contract.

There are two different things that tend to go wrong:

  • Spot prices bounce up above even what the long-term contract price would have been, creating a huge high-price problem for consumers.
  • Spot prices, on average, turn out to be too low for natural gas exporters. As a result, they cut back on investment, so that the amount of future exports can be expected to fall.

I believe that there is a significant chance that natural gas exports are now reaching a situation where prices cannot please all users simultaneously. Not all investors can get an adequate return on the huge investments that they have made in advance. Some investments that should have been made will be omitted. For example, there might be enough natural gas storage for a warm winter, but not for a very cold winter in Europe.

A prime characteristic of a fossil fuel (or any resource) that is not economic to extract is that the industry has difficulty paying its workers an adequate wage. Recently, there has been news about a union strike against Chevron at an Australian natural gas extraction site used to provide gas for liquefied natural gas (LNG) export. This suggests that natural gas may already be hitting long-distance export limits. Prices can’t stay high enough for producers to pay their workers an adequate wage.

[4] Oil imports by area suggest that the rapidly growing manufacturing parts of the world are squeezing out the imports desired by high-wage, service-oriented countries.

Because oil is so important in international trade, I looked at the amounts two ways. The first is based on trade flows, as reported by the Energy Institute:

Figure 5. Oil imports by area based on the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

The second is based upon a comparison of reported production and consumption for the same year, using the assumption that if consumption is higher than production, the difference must be attributable to imported oil. The problem with this later approach is that it can easily be distorted by changes in inventory levels. There may also be difficulties with my approach of netting out flows in two different directions, especially if the flows are partly of crude oil and partly of “oil products” of various types.

Figure 6. Oil imports based on production and consumption data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute. Amounts adjusted to include “Refinery Gain,” as reported by the US Energy Information Administration.

In both charts, imports for China, India, and Other Asia Pacific are clearly much higher in recent years, while imports for the US, Japan, and Europe are down. The peak year for imports (in total) was about 2016 or 2017. Imports were about 3.5 million barrels a day lower in 2022, compared to peak, with both approaches.

[5] Oil imports by area indicate that nearly all oil exporters around the globe are having difficulty maintaining export levels.

Here, again I show two indications, using the same methods as for oil imports. Since trade is two sided, I would expect total import indications to more or less equal the total of all amounts exported.

Figure 7. Oil exports by area using trade flows based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

On Figure 7, peak oil exports (in total) occur in 2016, with the runner up year being 2017. US oil exports are shown to be nearly zero, even in recent years, because US imports and US oil exports more or less cancel out.

Figure 8. Oil exports based on production and consumption data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute. Amounts adjusted to include “Refinery Gain,” as reported by the US Energy Information Administration.

The indications of Figure 8 show that apart from Canada, the amount of oil exported for all the other export groupings shown is lower in recent years than it was a few years ago. This is also evident in Figure 7, but not as clearly.

To some extent, the lower production in recent years is related to the cutbacks announced by OPEC+ (including what I call Russia+). While these cutbacks are “voluntary,” they reflect the fact that based on current oil prices, and based on investments made in recent years, these countries have made the decision to cut back production. No oil exporter would dare mention that it is running short of oil that can be extracted without considerably more investment.

On Figures 7 and 8, “Mexico+South” refers to all the oil being produced from Mexico southward. Besides Mexico, this includes Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina, Columbia, Ecuador, and a number of other small producers. Most of them are experiencing falling production. Brazil is doing a bit better, but it does not seem to be experiencing much growth in exports.

Africa’s peak year for oil exports seems to have been in 2007 (both approaches), with recent exports at a much lower level.

With respect to Russia+, its exports seem to be down from their peak in 2017 or 2018, but not any more than for oil producers from the Middle East. The European Union oil embargo doesn’t seem to have had much of an impact.

The star performer seems to be Canada, with its rising production and exports from the Canadian Oil Sands.

In this analysis, I have “netted out” imports and exports. On this basis, the US hasn’t moved into significant oil exporter status yet. I am sure that there are some people hoping that the oil production of the US will continue to increase, but whether this will happen is unclear. The growth of US oil production in recent years has helped offset (and thus hide from view) the falling exports of many countries around the world.

[6] Coal exports appear to have peaked about 2016. Europe has reduced its imports of coal, leaving more for other importers.

Figure 9. Coal imports by area using trade flows based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

The peak in coal imports seems to have occurred about 2016. In particular, Europe’s imports of coal have fallen significantly since 2006. At the same time, coal imports have risen for many Asian countries, including China, India, South Korea, and Other Asia Pacific. Even Japan seems to have been able to obtain a fairly consistent level of coal imports for the 22-year period shown on Figure 9.

Figure 10. Coal exports by area based on trade flow data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

One thing that is striking about coal exports is that they are disproportionately from countries in the Far East. Even the coal exports of the US and Canada are from North America’s West Coast, across the Pacific. Russia’s coal exports tend to be from Siberia.

The coal exports of South Africa have declined significantly since 2018, and other African countries are eager for their imports. Today’s largest source of coal exports is Indonesia. Coal exports from Russia+, at least until 2021, have been been a source of coal export growth.

A major share of the delivered price of coal is transportation cost, which tends to be fueled by oil, particularly diesel. Overland transit is particularly expensive. The real reason for Europe’s decline in coal imports since 2006 (shown in Figure 9) may be that there are practically no affordable coal exports available to it because it is too geographically remote from major exporters. Of course, this is not a story politicians care to tell voters. They prefer to spin the story as Europe’s choice, to prevent climate change.

[7] Natural gas imports and exports have only recently started to become constrained.

Figure 11. Natural gas exports by area based primarily upon production and consumption data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

Figure 11 shows that natural gas exports from Russia+ (really Russia, with a little extra production from other countries in the Commonwealth of Independent States) have stayed fairly level, except for a big drop-off in 2009 (probably recession related) and in 2022.

The overall level of natural gas exports has been rising because of contributions from several parts of the world. Africa was an early producer of natural gas exports, but its exports have been dropping off somewhat recently as local gas consumption rises.

More importantly, exports have increased in recent years from the Middle East, Australia, and North America. With this growing supply of exports, it has been possible for importers to increase their imports.

Figure 12. Natural gas imports by area based upon production and consumption data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

Europe was able to maintain a fairly stable level of natural gas imports between 1990 and 2018, and even to increase them by 2021. China was able to ramp up its natural gas imports. Even Japan was able to ramp up its natural gas imports until about 2014. It has tapered them back since then. India and Other Asia Pacific both have been able to add a small layer of imports, too.

[8] What lies ahead?

The countries that have the greatest advantage in using fossil fuel imports are the countries that don’t heat or cool their homes, and that don’t have large numbers of private citizens with private passenger automobiles. Because of their sparing use of fossil fuel imports, their economies can afford to pay higher prices to import these fossil fuel imports than other countries. Thus, they are likely to be winners in the competition for fossil fuel imports.

Europe stands out to be an early loser of imports. It is already losing oil and coal imports, and it also seems to be an early loser of natural gas imports. However, for all its talk about preventing climate change, the reduction in European imports of fossil fuels hasn’t made much of a dent in global carbon dioxide emissions (Figure 13).

Figure 13. CO2 emissions for Europe and the Rest of the World, based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

I am afraid that no country will really come out ahead. In some sense, the United States is better off than many countries because it is producing slightly more fossil fuels than it consumes. But it still depends on China and other countries for many imported goods, including computers. Given this situation, the United States likely cannot continue business as usual for very long, either.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,123 Responses to Fossil Fuel Imports Are Already Constrained

  1. Mike Jones says:

    This time from a FLEA….unbelievable
    Texas man has hands and toes amputated after contracting typhus from a flea bite
    Though rare, typhus has been detected in warm parts of the U.S., including Southern California, Hawaii and Texas.
    Though typhus is rare in the United States, it has been found in Southern California, Hawaii and Texas, according to the CDC. The agency does not report annual typhus data. However, a CDC report published Thursday showed an increase in typhus in Los Angeles County: The county saw 171 cases of flea-borne typhus in 2022, compared to 31 in 2010.
    Three people died of typhus in LA County last year, the report said — the first typhus deaths recorded in the U.S. since 1993. All three patients had underlying medical conditions.
    However, Bowling added, “if you were exposed to stray animals or flea bites and then weeks later, you’re starting to have fever and chills, that might be something you seek health care for — and make sure to mention that you’ve had contact.”
    Michael Kohlhof’s sister-in-law, Maria Virginia Kolhof, said that when his early symptoms set in, “he really thought he had a flu or something like that, so he was very stubborn to go initially” to the hospital.
    In the weeks since, Michael’s toes, an inch of his feet and his hands up to his forearms have been amputated because of dry gangrene — a consequence of sepsis that blocks blood flow to certain extremities.
    Sounds like we live on the razors edge…between paradise and medieval horror

  2. Ed says:

    I had not seen the up side to the world war. Keith’s remark opened my eyes.

    “If people are motivated enough (war level motivation) then power satellites make sense.”

    Can you picture president Trump’s speech

    We choose to build 1000GW of carbon neutral, endlessly renewable solar power satellites in the next 12 years. We choose to be safe, to be free, to be prosperous.

    • Foolish Fitz says:

      Before this upside, you would need a world war and all evidence(so far) points to a catastrophic lose, with many millions dead.

      Wouldn’t it be safer just to place the sanctions from hell on ourselves, as Iran, North Korea, Russia & China, have all made superior weapon systems, at a fraction of the cost of the useless rubbish that the west produces(very slowly). We’re told we are better/smarter than them, so it can only be the sanctions, that make them so obviously more advanced.

      We could of course just ask them to make it for us and all be friends, but they’d probably want some sort of trade and we don’t appear to have anything to trade with, apart from threats and fiat, which don’t seem to work anymore.

      The Deagel prediction looks more and more astute, if a little premature. On the plus side, someone gets to Build Back Better 😁

    • Keith Henson says:

      “We choose to build 1000GW”

      If we actually wanted to do this, 1000 GW would be a good start. It could be done with something close to 25,000 StarShip flights a year.

      But (on the perversity principle) two years after they started cheap fusion will start coming on line, and a year or two after that, nanotechnology based PV will displace fusion.

      Sigh, you can’t win.

  3. MikeJones says:

    Horrible….just imagine this as a common occurrence soon to us all…

    California woman loses limbs after battling bacterial infection from tilapia
    Dan Thorn
    Sat, September 16, 2023 at 7:02 PM EDT·

    The ways you can get infected with this bacteria are one-you can eat something that’s contaminated with it the other way is by having a cut or tattoo exposed to water in which this bug lives,” said UCSF Infectious Disease Expert Dr. Natasha Spottiswoode.
    Spottiswoode says the bacteria is especially concerning for people who are immunocompromised.
    Messina says back in late July Barajas had bought tilapia from a local market for dinner. She cooked it and ate it alone. Within days, she got very ill and was then hospitalized.
    “Be thankful for what we have right now because it can be taken away so quickly so easily,” Messina said.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      The benefits of a Rat Juice-damaged immune system

      • MikeJones says:

        Yes, after the breakdown of human services post fossil fuels society awaiting those survivors a fate such as escape Dear Eddie….you will see, said the blind man

  4. MikeJones says:

    His Greatness isn’t going to like this….
    Exxon minimized climate change internally after conceding that fossil fuels cause it
    Updated September 15, 202310:09 AM ET
    By Michael Copley NPR
    Executives at ExxonMobil continued in recent years to raise doubts internally about the dangers of climate change and the need to cut back on oil and gas use, even though the company had previously conceded publicly that burning fossil fuels contributes to global warming, according to a report in The Wall Street Journal.

    The effort to minimize concerns about climate change under former chief executive Rex Tillerson, who led Exxon from 2006 until 2016, was happening at the same time that scientists at the company were modeling troubling increases in carbon dioxide emissions without big reductions in fossil fuel consumption, the Journal reported. The newspaper cited internal company documents that were part of a New York state lawsuit and interviews with former executives.
    ….Earlier investigations found Exxon worked for decades to sow confusion about climate change, even though its own scientists had begun warning executives as early as 1977 that carbon emissions from burning fossil fuels were warming the planet, posing dire risks to human beings.

    Oh no….

    T Rex seems to understand

  5. Dennis L. says:

    Factoid of interest:

    Stopped on the road to St. Charles, MN, farmer selling equipment with small sign in yard. The 80 acre farm with some buildings and what I called a trailer house in my youth, now manufactured housing sold for 1.2m, sign in yard for 4 days, cash sale, Amish.

    Something is working in their community, farmer related Amish are buying up land around St. Charles as soon as it hits the market, no loans.

    I get the feeling we have too much friction in our dealings. Came across an old phone bill, early 2000’s about $25/month and I never misplaced that phone. Traveled with a roll of quarters, thing called pay phones.

    Back to your regular scheduled programming, Covid and the end of humanity in an ice age; anyone seen a saber tooth tiger lately, hear they may make a comeback. My eyes are on the stars, blastoff! Wonder if they can put in a good payphone on Starship.

    Dennis L.

    • Cromagnon says:

      The Amish were getting a tour of the farm north of me couple days ago. 5 Amish families bought 5000 acres 10 miles east of me last year.
      I am curious to see how they make out past the 90th meridian in ranch country. It seems to harsh here for their mixed agriculture,….but this sect apparently can use steel tired tractors so we shall see.

  6. Mirror on the wall says:

    Jeffrey David Sachs is an American economist, academic, public policy analyst, and former director of The Earth Institute at Columbia University, where he holds the title of University Professor. He is known for his work on sustainable development, economic development, and the fight to end poverty.

    > US efforts to strangle China & reassert hegemony – Jeffrey Sachs, Alexander Mercouris & Glenn Diesen

    • Jane says:

      Does anyone every challenge Sachs on his own role in Russia after the breakup of the USSR?

      • Dennis L. says:

        Interesting question. Jeffry is a survivor in the intellectual jungle. Whatever it takes, good hair, I am envious.

        Dennis L.

  7. Fast Eddy says:

    Why are the Moonies ignoring this???

    And just for kicks read this hahaha

    Come on Moonies…. or should we shift back to Building 7???

    Ya’ll been played… it’s ok to admit it … mike admitted it… and mike is our mate now …

    We all change our minds.. FE used to Doomie Prep hahahaha… HE was a fool too once… and HE admits it…

    Come on Doomies… let it all out… it’s cathartic to change your mind

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      okay, Paul, let’s see, oh yes, you’re the only one on OFW who can’t understand the basic science of why humans don’t go flying off into space just because the Earth rotates at about 1,000 mph.

      do you know that centripetal force acts at a right angle to the forward direction of an orbiting object?

      no? you didn’t quite get that one, did you?

      how about your gem of a post a couple months back:

      you said planes are just like tin soda cans so if one hit a skyscraper it would crumble and fall to the ground.

      an all-time OFW classic of stooooopidity! 😉

      no shame in being who you are, we all have strengths and weaknesses, you have very low science aptitude, probably the equivalent of a sub 100 IQ.

      all in all, there is often very little reason to assent to your commentary about science-related topics.

      ps: I wish you good luck on moving to Oz!

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      wow, Paul, I “let it all out” but you haven’t yet responded.

      are you Fast Henny, or really Chicken Little?


  8. Fast Eddy says:

    The Symptom Burden of Post-Covid Vaccine Injury Syndrome

    Those chronically ill after Covid vaccination present very similarly to Myalgic Encephalitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome with the addition of new and disturbing symptomatology.

    Most vaxxers believe this though

    BTW – why do most vaxxers not have severe side effects? That’s cuz the primary purpose of the Rat Juice is to mess up their immune systems… to prep them for the Real Deal… when you have messed up immune systems you get cancer etc… inevitable.. but that’s not the goal…

    Of course with this spike shit — you also run the risk of damaging the heart etc… but again that’s not a desired outcome…

    The desired outcome — is the damaged immune systems.

    Cuz that allows you to introduce a New Pathogen — and kill 6B

  9. Fast Eddy says:

    I betcha this gets zero likes hahahaha

    Fast Eddy
    just now
    I happen to share their view of the mob…. I see the vast ocean of humans are morons… and I am not just talking about the working class… I am referring to almost all of them … from the PHDs to the lawyers to the doctors to the engineers…

    Ya sure they can perform some complicated circus tricks… but that is NOT intelligence.

    They are run around by the nose by the PR Team and cnnbbc… they are unable to ‘think’…

    Consider that they sit in a room and stare at a box that spews rubbish … day after day … hour after hour (btw I have not had a tv for nearly two decades) — then they parrot the catch phrases that they hear on the box … e.g. lock and load… safe and effective … etc… They idolize the people they see on the Tee Vee.

    Freud was correct — the mob is frightening and dangerous … and it is necessary to control them.

    Watch the first 10 mins of Century of Self

    I am fond of saying — the mob is so easily controlled that they MUST be controlled.

    Take a look around you and tell me that you think the mob should be given democracy and allowed to influence decisions. We are surrounded by Idiocracy … influencers flashing their tits… and now monetizing on Only Fans… the wealthy plaster designer logos on their bodies as if they were F1 cars ‘look at me – I am rich!!!!’ Reality Tee Vee is huge… Danielle Steele is a popular author… morning talk shows have been the rage for years… Springer… American Idol…

    The mob crams KFC and super gallon sized soda down the maw… they cannot resist cuz the ad man forced it on them… the majority are now obese or morbidly obese… they are a disgrace.

    Is it any wonder that the men who runt the world look upon their barnyard animals as dumb beasts… in fact real barnyard animals are a big step up from this shit show… and wild animals… simply majestic compared to this disaster that we have become.

    Why would they respect these dumb selfish often violent petty beasts?

  10. Fast Eddy says:

    There will be many reading this and want to nail The Messiah to a cross for stating the obvious…

    The logic of the argument is infallible… but as we know — the MOREONS do not want the truth — unless it involves a Hollywood Ending…

    The Truth that FE is purveying … leads to despair… therefore most of the MOREONS will not accept what Fast Eddy is offering (but deep down … everyone knows it’s the truth)

  11. Fast Eddy says:

    We’ve having a bit of fun on SS this morning … spreading the doom….

    Fast Eddy
    just now
    Re this

    Hands up if you thought that when we hit the wall on affordable energy … CNNBBC would run the following headline:


    The DOD has released a virus and will run an intense fear-based campaign to convince billions to inject a vaccine that will ruin their immune systems and a second pathogen will be released prior to the collapse of civilization killing all the vaccinated. The unvaccinated will starve to death.

    The mastermind of this plan Dr Anthony Fauci addressed concerns about this extermination plan stating “If we don’t act civilization will collapse, the supply chains will rupture and 8+ billion humans will take to the streets angry and starving – and they will commit mass murder rape and cannibalism. There is no way out of this so we decided it was better to kill them all before the collapse.”

    • ivanislav says:

      Why would we starve when we have so many vaccinated to eat?

      • Ed says:

        That was my first thought but then I wondered would I get mRNA infected by eating them? If I cook them very well would I be safe? If I feed them to a dog and then eat the dog would I be safe?

        Easiest just stop by the house of the dead vaxxer and eat their dog?

        • nikoB says:

          Feed the dead to a worm farm or black soldier fly farm. Feed worms or bsf to fish, chickens or pigs. Eat them those animals or their eggs. Rinse repeat.

        • Dennis L. says:


          I don’t see anything funny about all this. There is no real joy in the suffering of others and in the end it changes nothing.

          We may forgive others so we can forgive ourselves and move on with life; perhaps the ultimate insult to those who in some way have offended us.

          Currently reading “The Fourth Turning.” skipping around, trying to make some sense of it. At one point Howe has an obvious liberal bias; still I read the book and take that into account in what he says.

          One current effect of this site is a very positive bias I have adopted, not everything can be as bad as some say, somewhere there is a ray of sunshine. I look at what is before me and see looming problems, my attitude is, “Where is the opportunity?”

          Dennis L.

  12. MikeJones says:

    California sues oil giants alleging ‘climate risks deception’: Report
    Five oil majors are accused of downplaying the risks posed by fossil fuels since the 1950s, The New York Times reports.
    The US state of California has sued five oil giants for their alleged role in downplaying the risk posed by fossil fuels while causing tens of billions of dollars in damage, The New York Times has reported.

    The lawsuit, filed on Friday in the superior court of San Francisco, targeted Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP, ConocoPhillips and Chevron.

    It is the most significant lawsuit to put the spotlight on the fossil fuel industry and demand the creation of a fund to compensate for future damages caused by climate-related disasters.
    …….In his lawsuit, Bonta is not seeking compensation for damages related to a specific event, but rather to create a fund that would be used to pay for recovery from extreme weather events and mitigation and adaptation efforts across the state, the news report said.

    No response by the oil majors to the California lawsuit was immediately available.

    Yep, got to blame SOMEONE…I’m certainly not at fault..filling my tank today with $20.00 for 5 gallons of Petro…let them put some in a fund….and in their pockets

    • Jane says:

      I wonder whether the “fossil” fuel fossils will conduct an aggressive discovery in which they reveal the lies told by the greenies.

      Greens vs. Browns, both lying to the public and both making profits for shareholders off whatever goes down, green or brown.

      Until the renewables subsidies dry up, that is.

      • Mike Jones says:

        The one big lie is proposing we are going to support more than. 8 billion people on Earth without fossil.fuels

    • Good grief! What should take credit for the progress the world economy has had over the past 200+ years? The idea is to sow confusion.

  13. Fast Eddy says:


    A spike in N.B. heart and stroke deaths in 2021 cited as COVID’s handiwork

    Now THAT… is pure genius!!!! Let’s applaud the PR Team… bravo… bravo… encore… bravo…

  14. Mirror on the wall says:

    The Don is up for the task?

    Perhaps Trump will make his stance on UKR a key element of his presidential campaign.

    Of course, if Trump could end the conflict in days then that makes the Biden camp somewhat responsible for its continuation.

    NATO will have to back off from Russia’s borders, cede land to Russia and accept UKR neutrality.

    Putin said that in the first place, and the ball is in NATO’s court.

    Either way, Russia is set to get want it wants, whether NATO likes that or not, so if Trump can end the conflict, then that will at least save some lives, which does not seem to be anyone’s priority right now.

    Go Trump 2024?

    Trump Gets Putin’s ‘Approval’ On Ukraine; Ex-U.S. President ‘Likes’ Russian Leader’s Praise

    Former United States President Donald Trump has welcomed Russian President’s praise for him over his claim that he would end the Ukraine war in days after re-entering the White House in 2024. “I like that he said that because that means what I’m saying is right… I would get him into a room, I would get Zelensky into a room and I would get a deal worked out,” Trump said in a TV interview without going into detail about his supposed plan that can end the Ukraine crisis in a matter of days.

    • But the powers behind the throne don’t really want Trump. They want someone they can control.

      • The German ruling elite said the same thing in the early 30s

        • Tim Groves says:

          Still chewing that same old bone, Norman, after all this time?

          The American ruling elite have been out invading anything the Germans did for the past eighty years now. And you, blind, deaf and without much of a sense of smell, don’t know the half of it.

          Donald’s main problem for the elite is that he didn’t invade enough, didn’t bomb enough, and didn’t kick enough ass generally. He was an is a big pussycat who prefers to negotiate and do deals.

          Now, Donald had four years in office to prove you right and he failed abysmally to do any of the things Adolf did, like mandating vaccines, killing off the weak and ineffectual, forcing people to wear badges based on their status, goose-stepping into Mexico, annexing Canada, bonsentration bamps like the Dems are currently building in New York and California.

          You are like a broken record, an endless tape. Like that message that used to blurt out at Bank Station where the platform curved, every time a train rolled in.


          Why can’t you give it a break?

          • no chance, i suppose, of getting a break from fake moon landings, wtc nonsenses and vaxxaers wanting to kill us all off by deliberate intent?

            • Tim Groves says:

              Not a sausage!

              Not now the government-orchestrated democide of tens of thousands of grannies and grandads is getting air time on teevee.

              Neil Oliver Becomes First National Broadcaster On Corporate News To Debate Allegations of State Democide Using Midazolam, With Covid As Cover


              Questions are being asked in the House!

            • i thought not

              must be marvellous to be right about everything

              one day——one day

              i might gain such achievment

            • Fast Eddy says:

              When billions begin to die … hopefully the www stays alive long enough so we can mock norm with I told you so …

              norm will not respond — not for the usual reasons… but because he cannot


              Therefore let me take this opportunity to say to norm … when the lab made pathogen trots past your f789ed immune system and you are lying gasping for air and dying in your bed… when you hear sirens EEE AWWWing… when cnnbbc is urging you to stay home and die cuz the hospitals are not operating (the staff is all dying too hahaha)…

              That is when you should acknowledge in your tiny pea brain … what Fast Eddy said… and think to yourself — He told me so.

              hahahahahaha… it’s coming norm … everyone knows it’s coming … even you … but nobody wants to admit it

              There is logic in killing 8B before they tear each other to shreds and make pulled human sandwiches out of the meat

            • Tim Groves says:

              The World Trade Center was destroyed by an army of blacksmiths bending all the steel beams?

              That was the gist your pet theory, Norman, if I remember correctly.

              So, when are you going to prove people walked on the Moon?

              We’re waiting with bated breath for your revelations.

          • as the old adage proves time and again

            history does not repeat itself—but it sure as hell rhymes

            the same mindset was there, with the same intent.

            already witnesses are having to seek protection from those who see violence in reaction the Trumps promptings—remember AH never set foot in a concentration camp, others were eager to do his dirty work.

            So it will play out again as people become desperate to survive in our immediate future.

            The politics of extremism will resurface. Human nature will see to that.
            How exactly, I do not pretend to know—leaving room for your trademark “aha” moments,

            The vast majority remain convinced that it is all a political problem, not an energy/climate problem.

            Easier to accept the word of the ‘fake’ brigade such as yourself tim>

            because of that the promise of MAGA will be voted into office, and we will surrender our freedoms on the basis of those promises.

            And Neil Oliver as a national broadcaster is a joke–he basically does History stuff on TV


            • Fast Eddy says:

              Let’s talk about Hunter and his drug addiction .. or how about Joe sniffing girls…

              And let’s pretend that Trump and Biden … are not actors

  15. Ravi Uppal says:

    No ice , no insects , no flora / fauna . Best of luck as we join the great silence .

    • i1 says:

      The following event happened in January of 2022, yet is strangely neglected by the gerbil worming brigade.

      • postkey says:

        “Tonga eruption increases chance of temporary surface temperature anomaly above 1.5 °C”?

        • Tim Groves says:

          So we are all worried sick about anthropogenic gerbil worming, and along comes one volcano and poof!!!—it outdoes industrial humanity’s 200-year effort to heat the atmosphere.

          Well, if I was editing or proofing this article, “imminent 1.5 °C exceedance” is not a phrase I would allow to escape my red pen.

          Talk about, “We will teach our twisted speech, to the young believers.”


          On 15 January 2022, the Hunga Tonga–Hunga Ha’apai (HTHH) eruption injected 146 MtH2O and 0.42 MtSO2 into the stratosphere. This large water vapour perturbation means that HTHH will probably increase the net radiative forcing, unusual for a large volcanic eruption, increasing the chance of the global surface temperature anomaly temporarily exceeding 1.5 °C over the coming decade. Here we estimate the radiative response to the HTHH eruption and derive the increased risk that the global mean surface temperature anomaly shortly exceeds 1.5 °C following the eruption. We show that HTHH has a tangible impact of the chance of imminent 1.5 °C exceedance (increasing the chance of at least one of the next 5 years exceeding 1.5 °C by 7%), but the level of climate policy ambition, particularly the mitigation of short-lived climate pollutants, dominates the 1.5 °C exceedance outlook over decadal timescales.

        • Mike Roberts says:

          “The Hunga Tonga volcanic eruption in early 2022 also affects the past two years. Jenkins et al.7 estimate that water vapor injected into the stratosphere caused a small warming forcing (+0.12 W/m2), but Schoeberl et al.8 found that the cooling effect of stratospheric aerosols injected by Hunga Tonga yielded a net cooling effect, with forcing peaking in mid-2022 at about –0.5 W/m2. ”


  16. I AM THE MOB says:

    New #Lockdowns being imposed in India

    As more details emerge from India about a reported #deadlyvirus called #Nipah with a mortality rate as high as 75% lockdowns are being hurriedly established in the affected areas.

    Breaking News Alert: UK Biohazzrd tents are being erected at Dover and people seen wearing full hazmat suits have been witnessed there.

    Its unclear at this stage what has prompted this however there are breaking reports of a deadly virus identified in India called Nipah with a kill rate of 75% see link on this below, which has caused global concern.

    Another Bat Virus.

    • ivanislav says:

      It looks like respiratory transmission is not the primary transmission mechanism, so I think it is unlikely to cause a pandemic.

    • Ravi Uppal says:

      I have not heard of the Nipha virus in the Northeast India or South India (Kerala) . I think Dragonfly is a Chinese asset . Just my two bit . Especially in Northeast . There is an uncontrollable tribal war in the area and it is under a magnifying lens .

      • Foolish Fitz says:

        Kerala has Nipha for the 4th time since 2018 and it has killed 2 thus far, so hundreds of times less deadly than a Rickshaw. The most deadly outbreak killed a whopping 17 out of a population of 35m.

        I’ve not seen anything up North. Can I ask where. Bihar, like Kerala has been a popular place for a certain foundation, so I’ll guess there.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      They are prepping us for the release of the pathogen designed in a lab to exploit the gaping hole left in the Vaxxers’ immune systems by the Rat Juice.

      They seem to always want to condition the MOREONS before they pull the trigger.

      Knowing what their intention is … makes life mostly meaningless… why bother making plans for anything when you have sword poised to take your head off.

      I envy Hoolio and his rabbits… he is currently slaughtering the small bunnies… they are far to slow and inexperienced to escape once he sees them… apparently they are good eating …

      Just like young children will be if UEP fails.

      It won’t fail.

      We see evidence of damaged immune systems everywhere… and they will have thoroughly tested the pathogen.

      They’ve been working on it for decades — and they will have tested this on humans — guaranteed

  17. I AM THE MOB says:

    173 babies and young children under the age of 5 were hospitalised with Covid in England last week.

    That’s a 47% increase in just one week.

    Across ALL age groups, Covid hospitalisations have increased by 30% on average.

  18. Mike Jones says:

    Location, location, location…
    1900 years old a Customs Inscription from the Lycian civilization reveals Anatolia’s strategic importance in maritime trade

    The inscription, discovered in the vicinity of the largest Granarium in the Mediterranean, named after Emperor Hadrian (Horrea Hadriani), contains information about the Lycian Union Customs Laws, port usage rules and taxes, and those who brought goods through maritime trade.

    The Lycian League was founded with 23 cities along the Mediterranean’s Teke Peninsula. The league, known as history’s first democratic union, served as a model for modern democratic systems. Patara (the capital), Xanthos, Pinara, Olympos, Myra, and Tlos were among the major cities of this federation.

    ….the general content of the inscription was clarified that it contains the Customs Law of the Lycian State. The inscription contains articles of law on how the port will be used, how the taxes will be paid and what goods will be shipped.

    ….There is a 2,307-square-meter Granarium named after Emperor Hadrian, which is the largest silos of the ancient Mediterranean. The fact that the Customs Laws of the Lycian Union was found in Andriake shows that it was the central port and the union’s fleet was probably located here,” Çevik added.

    • It is amazing how advanced trade practices were, so many years ago.

    • Student says:

      If I’ve understood correctly we are talking of the Lycian population quoted in the Iliad.

      “I Lici sono ricordati da fonti egizie, ugaritiche e ittite del secondo millennio; figurano anche nell’Iliade tra gli alleati di Troia, dove cadde il loro re Sarpedonte: l’Eneide dice che dopo la caduta della città essi si aggregarono a Enea. Secondo lo storico greco Erodoto, la popolazione della Licia sarebbe giunta originariamente dall’isola di Creta[1].”

  19. Retired Librarian says:

    Hi Gail, so sorry about your fall! Also hoping the storms not interfering with your flight. A good journey & happy arrival home.

    • The flight seems to be going fine.

      The bruises are on my face, which is sort of a problem. Maybe some makeup for a while will work.

      • Ed says:

        Or great for stories of the barbarous peoples of Boston. We went out for drinks at the local pub and you can see what ensued. In the end a peace was reached and we drank long into the night and parted friends.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Did Gail get in a fight with Super Snatch? Was Super Snatch on the road plying her trade in Boston?

          Word of advice — stay away from dumpsters… the hags that inhabit those environs are generally very large… and very mean … they dont get a lot of action (for obvious reasons) so any female wandering into The Zone… is likely to be attacked.

          The Big Hogs need to eat… and the only way they eat is to offer up the Fester for $$$

          norm – do you think your mate Attenborough might be keen on doing a series on Dumpster Hoo-ers?

          I’d definitely download that

      • Dennis L. says:


        It will heal.

        I am sure you know this, but twitch muscles degrade with age and I am told once gone, they do not come back. Mayo always inquires if I have fallen recently, possibly a dx question.

        My trainer gives me exercises 3x per week, muscles used in dance. Dance is often sited as being good for mental health, etc. This may be reason.

        Heal well and soon and think about your twitch.

        Dennis L.

  20. ivanislav says:

    Fast Eddy says:
    >> “Sorry to break the bad news… but they are planning to release a pathogen that kills all Vaxxers… the other 2B starve… It’s actually good news… if you consider the alternative”

    Now, the way bioweapons are supposed to work, I think, is that you deploy some kind of prophylactic or vaccine in advance to your own people, and then release the bug on the enemy. Who knows, maybe the vaccines is that prophylactic and all us anti-jabbers are about to get steamrolled. Or maybe it’s just a money-grab and they’re trying to make the covid vax an annual thing. Or maybe it’s death. Time will tell.

    • drb753 says:

      He just reads too much fiction. The immune system of most vaxxers has moved on and is now radically different from what it was at the time of the last jab.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Might you have some evidence for this … just because this is what you think … does not mean it’s real…

        Kinda like the moon landings

    • David says:

      I tried to say in another comment – if 2.5 bn were left after such a traumatic event, they could probably keep ‘the system’ running. To include supervising the cooling ponds and high-level nuclear waste at Sellafield, etc.

      Keeping going might be pretty difficult in Canada, Oz, NZ, Portugal (90-95% jabbed). But not the UK (65-75%), USA (same) or Switzerland (probably less). Anyway, of those four, only Canada has nukes.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        not possible

      • Fast Eddy says:


        In the over 20 months since I opened my vaccine injury practice (The Leading Edge Clinic), I have observed the following temporal patterns of illness developing after the vaccine (or Covid):

        Symptoms developing within minutes to hours of the mRNA vaccine (more rarely within seconds) and then the symptoms evolve more diversely and chronically persist. I estimate this category to be about 15% of the patients I have seen. I say “estimate” because our Leading Edge Clinic has yet to complete a comprehensive, quantitative and qualitative chart review and analysis of our patients, although it is a project we have started work on (in all our free time).

        Symptoms developing within several days to around 3 – 6 weeks after mRNA injection. This comprises the vast majority of our patients (approximately 80%). Note that some of these patients may report typical side effects after the vaccine like fatigue, chills, headache, and dizziness but those typically resolve completely before they later develop the “constellation of symptoms” I will describe below.

        One caveat is that we also see “hybrids,” meaning patients who fell ill with the syndrome after the vaccine, but then later got even more chronically ill after getting Covid, or conversely, developed the syndrome after recovering from Covid but then received the vaccine and got worse. My practice is to label their syndrome by the initial trigger, i.e. a “Long Hauler” is a patient who first became ill after Covid whereas a “Long Vaxxer” is a patient who first developed symptoms after the jab. Ultimately the label doesn’t really matter given the initial trigger bears little influence on our approach to treatment of spikeopathy. The fact that “Long Vax” is not recognized nor discussed in media and academia is absurd given that in our patient population, approximately 70% developed symptoms after the mRNA injection vs. 30% that first developed symptoms after Covid.

        Symptoms developing between 2-4+ months after mRNA injection. This is a small minority of my practice, and I would say that when I first started to evaluate and treat vaccine injury syndrome patients I tended to dismiss an association with the vaccine if symptoms developed after 2 months. Later, Scott and I began to see patients where typical symptoms began 3-4 or more months later.

        One caveat here is that since both Covid and the vaccine expose the patient to spike protein, my sense is that the patients who developed typical symptoms only months after the vaccine likely had an interceding unrecognized spike protein illness or a close exposure to a high-spike protein producing, (generally recently vaccinated) individual (but not always recently vaccinated). I promise to address the mechanisms, presentations, and suspected incidences of “shedding events” in a separate, subsequent post.

        Another point to understand is that, in my experience, the majority of patients (50-60%) already ill with one of the syndromes will get worse after a subsequent spike-protein exposure event. However, I have to admit I have seen a couple of patients who reported improvement in one or maybe two of their chronic symptoms after the vaccine or Covid. But again, outside these rare exceptions the majority will get sicker and the rest will remain the same after a subsequent spike protein exposure event.

      • Disagree strenuously.

        I think it’s a dicey proposition to find healthy individuals capable of maintaining a nuke plant right now, when things are ‘good’. Take away any significant percentage of that skilled force and we are in deep trouble. Modern businesses are not keen on redundancies. And this doesn’t even take into account the plummeting IQ situation.

        ‘Round these parts competent tradesmen (competent ANYthings) are harder and harder to find (the young with any brain cells being steered towards careers in intangible screen thingies).

        Taking out 20% of the trades would absolutely hamstring us. Taking out 50-70% would be a knife to the heart, making ‘the system’ as we know it entirely impossible, nukes or no nukes. Who is going to maintain the internet, electric, roads? Who is going to do the plumbing and water treatment, engine repair, farming and animal husbandry, etc. etc. etc….? Even “logistics” that moves commodities to where they need to go is starting to show a lot of cracks. Boring and overlooked things like painting—maintaining a simple coat of paint—appears to be currently beyond the capacity of most private entities and public institutions.

        We can run all the nukes with 1/3 the population? When this 1/3 of survivors are more likely to be subsistence farmers in some hinterland than anyone with a nuclear-engineering degree??? How do you do your nuke-plant maintenance with no public water and no electrical grid? Please stop being silly!!!

        I don’t even know why I am replying to this.

        • Keith Henson says:

          “I don’t even know why I am replying to this.”

          Very thoughtful reply though. I appreciate such posts.

        • ivanislav says:

          The urge to correct others and share information is natural. A tactic in negotiations and police interviews is to intentionally make a false assertion to induce the other party to correct it and thereby reveal sensitive information.

  21. Hubbs says:

    And waking up to the news this morning, I notice on ZH an article reposted by a writer called the Visayas Outpost. (Visayas is referred to as the middle set of Islands of the Philippines, (Cebu, Bacolod, Negros Occidental, etc) and picture of the typical tri-rigger boat on the beach.) Caught my eye, but he is exactly spot on as to what we’re up against.

    But if you like things a little more pithy, then listen to this guy:

    This abuse by the FEDS will go on as long as these little F-ing S)(!t$ are paid with dollars that buy them their food, other necessities and a lifestyle they could never provide for themselves doing honest productive, value added work. They work for the government. The Government. Everyone these days works for the F-ing Government because they are all parasites. I had a chapter in my book about how I was visited by the FBI, a little twerp who at one time lived 3 houses from me. I guess around 1/2 of these FBI agents are lawyers- useless F-ing lawyers. I know the type well, all those people who were privileged enough to go to my prep school and college to get degrees to hang up on their walls, but with no direction, no purpose in life, no useful skills, so if they didn’t plan on taking over daddy’s business, they became lawyers.
    So other than that, how has everyone’s days been going?

    • ivanislav says:

      With the degree of complexity and subsystem interdependence that we currently have in our various national infrastructure (business, payment, political, governance, etc), it becomes difficult to coordinate changes. Suppose 100% of citizens and 0% of politicians wanted to switch to gold, for example … how are you going to pay the utility bill? The utility isn’t set up to take third party payment from any Gold banks, even if they did exist. And the politicians forbid it via legal mechanisms. It all takes time and coordination and aligned incentives, and that’s why I don’t expect change until things break and/or the general public pays no heed to the “laws”.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Its been cold and rainy … but the Diesel is living up to its billing!!! It kicks in at 6am and has the water boiling through the radiators by the time I hit the computer an hour or so later… I turn off the roaring beast and shift to wood and coal…

      Joined a gym now that I am not allowed to put Fast Eddy on the ice (safety issues) so that’s the morning covered.

      Gents Club for some blow and a quickie lappy… hour nap with Hoolio…

      Waiting for M Fast to return and scratch my back… which will bring to an end another uneventful day in Collapsing NZ.

      Hoping for lockdowns in Oct

    • Of course, we don’t know exactly what the situation is inside the oil exporters. It may be with high enough oil prices, OPEC and Russia+ can ramp up their production and exports, so things are better for a while. The story is all about kicking the can down the road for yet a while longer.

    • I AM THE MOB says:

      That’s the signal.

      Remember all the articles written between 2015-2020 IEA and KSA warning of a global oil shortage around 2020? And look what happened?

  22. Jan says:

    Energy scarcity might play a larger role in politics, especially in opposing the Ukraine war to be able to prolong gas contracts with Russia.

    In Germany and Austria the oppositional “ultra right” parties are reaching currently with reported 30% and 35% in polls a new alltime height; they more or less openly favour trade with Russia. In Slovakia it is the social democrats playing a similar role.

    Italy, Spain and France have upright delivery from the Maghreb.

  23. postkey says:

    “Fossil Energy Subsidies: the Bottom Line”?

    • Dennis L. says:

      Yes, I agree.

      Spaceship earth is the only one we will ever have; it needs a break.

      Waiting for Starship, hope and pray it works. Manufacturing is necessary, energy is necessary, pollution is a result of energy usage; move it all to space asap.

      A door is being opened for us(or is it a window of opportunity?) We need to use it.

      It will be a very bumpy ride, not all will make it, but earth and humanity will make it and tomorrow will be better than today and more importantly, for humans this grand experiment of our universe will continue.

      Dennis L.

      • Having a Invisible Hand or a Higher Power with a thumb on what really happens may make things turn out better than most of us expect. Humans seems to have done fine during the ice ages, for example.

        • I think human beings fluctuated in numbers on the edge of the ice

          the ice age lasted 20k years or so—long enough for it to becom ‘normal’ for 00s of generations, but there were not many people, and lots of animals, who became the prime energy resource

          • Dennis L. says:

            No one wants to go back to that sort of life; we are put here to “discover” the universe, mathematics is being seen by very good mathematicians not as invention, but discovery.

            Dennis L.

            • Mike Jones says:

              Per Sir Isaac Newton…
              Isaac Newton
              English mathematician and physicist
              Sir Isaac Newton FRS was an English mathematician, physicist, astronomer, alchemist, theologian, and author who was described in his time as a natural philosopher. He was a key figure in the Scientific Revolution and the Enlightenment that followed. Wikipedia

              See Jeremy Rifkin book Entropy

            • dennis

              we are here to eat and fornicate

              just like every other living species.

              it’s what we do best.—and enjoy most.

              everything else is window dressing, accidents of nature, chance, call it what you will, but none of it is pre arranged on our behalf.

              a chance encounter of one kind can lead to marriage, home, children and new generations

              a different encounter can mean you get run over by a bus, and generations never get born.
              Luckily the bus missed me.

              it’s called life (or not)

            • Dennis L. says:

              Reply To Norm:


              we are here to eat and fornicate

              just like every other living species”

              No, that is really boring! Try it, go to a bar, approach women(men if it is your way) and talk. If you are not slapped, you are not asking the right questions.

              It is amusement, it is a boring game, but it is entertaining. Some can handle it, walk to the edge, some, many cannot.

              It is not the end game. I have gotten much pleasure out of tackling projects which are beyond my abilities and sometimes looking up and seeing it has been done and measured.

              Now, don’t ask me how I know a few of these answers.

              Dennis L.

            • eating and fornicating are just the basics–keep it to basics and of course it’s boring.

              who wants meat and two veg for every meal?—it is within all of us to become a michelin starred chef if we we put our minds to it—and want a gourmet experience. I can guarantee that will leave no one bored. But you have to put the effort in, just like everything else.

              human attributes, creativity if you like, if used properly keep it from being boring—absolutely the opposite,—that is the point of it all.

              and nobody knows all the answers.—the trick is to make your meal taste different every time.

              No matter what your meal actually is.

            • Writing articles for Our Finite World doesn’t seem to fit into either of your two categories.

            • i was defining why we—and every other species,– are here, and where/why our behavior patterns are making life impossible to continue at our present rate of consumption.

              all species are driven by the same forces

              we are unique in taking everything to excess

              to my way of looking at it, that seems to cover a broad swathe of thinking on OFW

            • Keith Henson says:

              “we are unique in taking everything to excess”

              Hardly. Invasive species do that all the time. Recently the blue crab has been a problem in the Mediterranean.

            • balance disturbances, particularly in nature are almost always due to unexpected interferences.

              humans have sucked all the fish out of the sea

              fish used to consume the billions of eggs laid by other, potentially invasive, species

              so we now have invasions of say, crabs and jellyfish as well as other things. all due to us taking to excess

            • Keith Henson says:

              “to fit into either

              Closer perhaps to the second. Humans, being social creatures, strive for status. Why? Because (especially for males) having high status improved your reproductive success. Of course, posting on OFW has little if any connection to reproductive success, but that’s to be expected, we no longer live in hunter/gatherer bands.

            • Dennis L. says:

              Laughing quietly, twisting Norm’s tail a bit, all in good fun.

              “and nobody knows all the answers.—the trick is to make your meal taste different every time.”

              I agree, a diversity of tastes has much to recommend it, you’ll get it, Norm.

              Dennis L.

            • Zemi says:

              Stop pretending that you eat gourmet meals, Norman. We all know that you just greed off dogs in the street.

            • zemi

              if you had the ability to read more than words—————-

        • Cromagnon says:

          Yes, but we had “stone age” brain sizes and higher IQs….and probably a very advanced industrial civilization going on 30,000 years bp.
          The simulations managers seem to be demanding a reset currently with collapsing IQs, energy restriction and then there is always the solar issue.

          • Keith Henson says:

            “and probably a very advanced industrial civilization going on 30,000 years bp.”

            That’s more than twice as far back as agriculture. As far as I know, there is no evidence for this.

            There is some evidence that iron smelting originated in Africa but that was relatively recent.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Without a doubt humans were much smarter before the age of modern medicine and tik tok videos and bad diets…

            Back then the feeble minded and genetically defective… were chucked into the bush or snow and left to starve…


          • cro

            there really was no ”industrial civilisaton” 30000 years ago

        • Keith Henson says:

          “Humans seems to have done fine during the ice ages, for example.”

          Sort of. The big science news of last week was that the line that led to us almost went extinct. Down to around 1300 people for around 100,000 years. The speculation is that it was caused by intense ice ages. But this was around 900,000 years ago. Amazing article in Science.

  24. Fast Eddy says:

    Screaming Jets bassist Paul Woseen dies suddenly aged 56 as his ‘shattered’ bandmates pay tribute to the late rocker

    • Toxic level of aluminum in his blood! Giving so many vaccines to small babies has been issue that parent groups have been concerned about for a long time. They add metals to allow the vaccines to keep longer, but they don’t help the health of babies.

      • ivanislav says:

        >> They add metals to allow the vaccines to keep longer, but they don’t help the health of babies.

        I think the metals come primarily from alum and other adjuvants (immune stimulant). There are also microbicides (eg. formaldehyde) in the multi-dose vials to prevent microbe growth once the seal is broken and I haven’t looked into how many of those contain metals. And then there are various excipients/stabilizers.

  25. Fast Eddy says:

    Fast Eddy

    The answer to ‘why are they doing this to us’ is actually a simple one.

    We are into severe depletion of affordable energy.

    Few will acknowledge this – even though we are steaming oil of sand which signals a major problem … because 1. this is a horrific situation 2. cnnbbc have done a great job convincing the masses that there is plenty of oil + we will transition to EVs and renewable energy long before oil runs low. Operation Hopium. Most people accept this lie

    Here is a quick summary of the situation coming into Covid:

    Conventional crude oil production may have already peaked in 2008 at 69.5million barrels per day (mb/d) according to Europe’s International Energy Agency (IEA 2018 p45). The U.S. Energy Information Agency shows global peak crude oil production at a later date in 2018 at 82.9mb/d (EIA 2020) because they included tight oil, oil sands, and deep-sea oil. Though it will take several years of lower oil production to be sure the peak occurred. Regardless, world production has been on a plateau since 2005.

    What’s saved the world from oil decline was unconventional tight “fracked” oil, which accounted for 63% of total U.S. crude oil production in 2019 and 83% of global oil growth from 2009 to 2019. So it’s a big deal if we’ve reached the peak of fracked oil, because that is also the peak of both conventional and unconventional oil and the decline of all oil in the future.

    Some key points from this Financial Times article:

    High cost energy destroys growth and since the turn of the century epic stimulus has been deployed to prevent collapse of the economy. We hit a wall in 2008 (GFC) — bailed that out then doubled down.

    Just prior to Covid this:

    “The global economy was facing the worst collapse since the second world war as coronavirus began to strike in March, well before the height of the crisis, according to the latest Brookings-FT tracking index. “The index comes as the IMF prepares to hold virtual spring meetings this week, when it will release forecasts showing the deepest contraction for the global economy since the 1930s great depression.

    Collapse Imminent:

    The Illusion of Stability, the Inevitability of Collapse

    I will understand if the audience wants to shoot me for saying this …

    But the folks who run the world have long been aware that this fateful moment would arrive — they’ve tried everything to kick the can from nuclear to solar… fusion etc… sadly … nothing can replace the concentrated energy found in oil gas and coal.

    They were faced with a difficult choice:

    1. Do nothing – watch the global economy collapse – 8 billion humans — take to the streets hungry, angry … and rip each others faces off. Murder – Rape – Disease – Cannibalism —

    2. Put a plan in place to kill 8 billion humans … and reduce the suffering.

    They opted for 2. The mechanism is an injection that damages the immune system making the vaxxed susceptible to a second man made pathogen that will exploit the damage and kill them.

    They will release this pathogen when they believe they are about to lose control of the economy… when they see their policies are pushing on strings. When the realize collapse is imminent.

    There are multiple signals that indicate that moment is not far off – the Chinese property market is a bug waiting on a windshield… the US commercial real estate market is slowly imploding… despite multiple interest rate increases inflation continues to ramp up.

    Normally they’d flood the planet with easy money to paper over the first two problems — but that wont work now because that will put us into hyperinflation.

    Make the most of what little time remains. There is nothing anyone can do to change the trajectory of this.

    Here’s a comprehensive summary

  26. I AM THE MOB says:

    AI article announcing former NBA player’s death brands him ‘useless’

    MSN took down an obituary for former NBA player Brandon Hunter published earlier this week after it called the basketball forward “useless.”

    The obituary, first spotted by Futurism, was written by “Editor” and was titled “Brandon Hunter useless at 42.” Although it has not been confirmed by Microsoft, which owns the news aggregation site, reports are accusing the story of being generated by AI.

    Yikes! Microsoft.

    • Aravind says:

      What struck me was the name. Did AI blurt out the truth after “learning” about “Let’s go Brandon” and Hunter’s laptop and then linking the two with the unrelated sportsman? One never knows…

  27. MG says:

    Recently, I watched some videos about how Quincey Jones created the biggest star of the music industry Michael Jackson.

    The best selling album is Thriller.

    And the song Thriller is about what?

    The zombies all around:

    • I AM THE MOB says:

      “We might ask the question in a more pointed way: why did Michael Jackson need to wear monster makeup in order to preform? Or why, in a life mocked by personal abjection and cultural shame, a life reduced to a dancing, shuffling, bereft of material comfort, put on stage by a corrupt father to entertain a hostile crowd, why would a preformer choose to redouble his own monstrosity, his own loss and decay?”

      -Zombie Theory, Lauro (2017)

      • Zemi says:

        -Zombie Theory, Lauro (2017)

        Why? Because victims always like to return to the scene of the crimes that were committed against them. There they can relive their humiliations, but on terms of their own choosing and at a time of their own choosing, the better to understand their own sufferings.

      • MG says:

        Michael Jackson was an embodiment of the ageing systems: apply an injection, revive it with a catchy rhythmic song, give a subsidy or a loan to make it live longer…

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Simulation — so is norm

    • Zemi says:

      “I’m not like other guys” says Jacko, two minutes in. Lol.

  28. davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

    bAU to 2070 in the Inner Core.

    • Keith Henson says:


      I don’t see how this is possible. Maybe if there is a way to stop technological progress, but advances are just about baked into the economic system.

      Plain old economic growth, we are used to that, but I don’t think we are accepting yet of the kind of super exponential growth that seems unavoidable.

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        you don’t see it because you keep creating and filling your mind with science fiction.

        “… the kind of super exponential growth that seems unavoidable.”

        purely fictional, invented and proselytized by congregants in the Progress Religion.

        hkeithhubbard, take a bow.

        • Keith Henson says:

          I have not read much new SF for a few years now. And what looks to be our fate is weirder than any SF I ever ran into.

          You might be right and there will be no technical advances after this point. On the other hand, ChatGPT-5 should be out before the end of this year.

          One of my posts on this collection mentioned that a study back in the 1960s estimated population and economic activity going straight up in 2027 plus or minus 5.5 years. Not my projection, but I will try not to be surprised when and if it happens.

          If you can’t deal with these projections, I don’t blame you. I have been on top of this since 1980 and the AI progress over the past year is just amazing.

          • Tsubion says:

            But Keith… how do you see the energy side of things playing out over the next 20 years?

            Surely this underpins everything else including emergent AI programs no matter how competent they become.

            • all biological systems live or die by energy availablity

              AI and all the rest of it is a side issue.

            • Keith Henson says:

              “over the next 20 years?”

              I don’t know.

              If people are motivated enough (war level motivation) then power satellites make sense. It takes about two months for one of them to pay back the energy that went into putting it in orbit. The problem is mostly the scale of the project and the time conventional technology takes.

              The other path is nanotechnology. That reduced the cost of everything including solar and storage. Local fabrication eliminates most transportation. The problem with this path is that we don’t know how long it will take. There are people currently trying to bootstrap current AI to nanotechnology.

              If you look at the Tabby’s Star aliens (assuming that’s what we are seeing) then eventually we will be building data centers hundreds of times the size of the Earth and located in the asteroid belt. In spite of being 7 times the distance to their star compared to Earth, the are collecting more than a million times the energy humans use.

              If Ray’s estimate on when we will quit dying is right, some of us could be there when this happens.

            • war level motivation?

              keith—-wars need surplus energy

              we dont have enough to fight wars anymore on the scale you have in mind

            • Keith Henson says:

              “live or die by energy availability”

              Have you ever considered how much energy the sun puts out? Or what a tiny fraction is intercepted by the Earth?

            • the sun energy thing has been done to death keith

              fossil fuels are sun energy—they release that energy on being burned which gives us a direct mechanical advantage

              to use sun energy we have to build energy converters and adapters of various kinds, and we get a poor return, in comparison to the return on sun-oil, sun-gas, sun coal.

              energy ”out there” really isnt to same as haveing energy available ”down here”

              we cant expect to run the same economic system on a totally different energy supply system

            • Keith Henson says:

              Just something that floated across the group power satellite economics


          • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

            “If you can’t deal with these projections, I don’t blame you.”

            I deal with them as if they are sci-fi, and I have no worries about them becoming reality 2030ish, though to me it’s far short of reasonable to think that such speculations have any chance of becoming reality.

            “… and the AI progress over the past year is just amazing.”


            you’ve told us before that engineers are more efficient! just amazing! or is there more now?!!

            • Keith Henson says:

              “any chance of becoming reality.”

              3-4 years ago that could be said of AI.

            • Keith Henson says:

              “AI doesn’t exist and never will.”

              This statement is akin to saying that heaver than air flight will never happen the year after the Wright brothers flew.

              For something that “never will” it is sure getting a lot of attention.

              All of biology is about constructing things to atomic precision. An argument that nanotechnology is impossible will also rule out life.

              “We can’t build solar panels starting from scratch with only energy from the sun.”

              I happen to know the details on how solar panels are made. Can you be specific about what step can’t be done?

            • AI, like air flight, is just another way to fulfill our (ultimately pointless) destiny of breaking down energy gradients. It doesn’t actually help humans arrive anywhere better; we just get to the same place faster.

              The more air flight… the more AI… the more Bitcoin… the more energy is ultimately wasted. ALL TECHNOLOGY is a way to burn through energy reserves faster than would otherwise have happened.

              Why have people swapping bits of paper at low cost when we can do crypto at high cost!? Why have mid-wits write BuzzFeed articles at low cost when we can invest billions in AI to churn out something even more stupid, cringe-y, and wrong!?!?

              It’s beautiful and tragic in its elegance, Keith, if you were only to recognize it.


              The ancients knew.

            • Keith Henson says:

              “It’s beautiful and tragic in its elegance, Keith, if you were only to recognize it.”

              Oh, I recognize it, been on top of this subject since the early 80s. Not at all sure I like the run up to the singularity, but there is nothing I can do about it.

          • Withnail says:

            The other path is nanotechnology. That reduced the cost of everything including solar and storage

            It’s a sci fi dream. It doesn’t exist and never will, just like AI doesn’t exist and never will.

            You’re lost in fantasies, try looking around you. America’s infrastructure is falling apart and there are no resources to fix it. It will only get worse.

          • Withnail says:

            Have you ever considered how much energy the sun puts out? Or what a tiny fraction is intercepted by the Earth?

            It’s useless except for growing crops and firewood. We can’t build solar panels starting from scratch with only energy from the sun.

            • Withnail

              your alternative facts just get in the way of infinite growth

              kindly desist

            • Withnail says:

              I happen to know the details on how solar panels are made. Can you be specific about what step can’t be done?

              You are standing in a field on earth. The sun is shining. Tell me how you are going to build solar panels using sunshine. No fossil fuels allowed.

            • Withnail

              these alternative facts must cease forthwith

            • Keith Henson says:

              “a field on earth.”

              Dirt has magnesium and silicon dioxide. In addition, you need chlorine from salt.

              You dissolve out MgCl2 and electrolize it using PV electricity into Mg and Cl. Combine Mg with SiO2 to get Magnesium silicide. Treat the Mg2SI with HCl to get SiH4. This is thermally decomposed on a hot wire to yield Si at a high enough purity to make solar cells. Melt the Si in a pot and pull a crystal. Saw the crystal up, dope slightly and you have a solar cell.

              No fossil fuels required.



            • Withnail says:

              Dirt has magnesium and silicon dioxide. In addition, you need chlorine from salt.

              You dissolve out MgCl2 and electrolize it using PV electricity into Mg and Cl. Combine Mg with SiO2 to get Magnesium silicide. Treat the Mg2SI with HCl to get SiH4. This is thermally decomposed on a hot wire to yield Si at a high enough purity to make solar cells.

              Electrolize it using PV electricity? No, you don’t have any solar panels yet. Try again.

            • Keith Henson says:

              “Try again.”

              Your question was how you make PV without fossil fuels, not how to bootstrap an industrial civilization with your bare hands.

          • Withnail says:

            “AI doesn’t exist and never will.”

            This statement is akin to saying that heaver than air flight will never happen the year after the Wright brothers flew.

            It absolutely isn’t. Text autocomplete software (Chat GPT) is not intelligence and never will be.

            • Keith Henson says:

              “not intelligence and never will be”

              Have you spent any time talking to ChatGPT?

              If you look around on the Extropian list, there is a long surreal conversation I had with ChatGPT about an AI in a story I wrote in 2006. The AI side of the conversation was more intelligent than most of the comments on this blog.


            • Withnail says:

              “not intelligence and never will be”

              Have you spent any time talking to ChatGPT?

              I have spent time using it, I wasn’t ‘talking’ to it because it’s just text autocomplete software. It doesn’t think.

      • whether you are a daffodil or a dinosaur, or something in between, any form of growth requires the input of physical energy….not intelligence, artificial or any other kind.

        When Einstein emerged from his mothers womb, his immediate need was energy to survive, that had nothing to do with his subsequent intellect.

        without ongoing energy-support, there will be no growth, exponential or otherwise.

        future growth will depend on whatever physical energy is available to allow it.

        • Mike Jones says:

          Remembering reading about philosopher, teacher Jiddu Krishnamurti describing the state he felt as he was lecturing to audiences or meditating…
          the exact words he used was an incredible tremendous sense of ENERGY…
          Suppose this universal intelligent energy is all around us and there are those that are able receptors to tune in ….as one Art appreciation instructor in college once observed….as we went outside to fly kites on the campus grounds.

          • the smartass comments i try to make on ofw might be thought of as one form of energy

            but using my fingers to bash the kb is a different form of energy entirely

            • MikeJones says:

              Yes indeed..there is thought and there is intelligence…intelligence uses thought as a vehicle to convey…while thought does not require intelligence ..

              Per Krishnamurti discussion with David Brohm

            • every thought process requires intelligence to make it—just a matter of degree.

              on the other hand i can have a thought process about digging my veg patch

              but untill i acquire the necessary energy to do it, it remains undug

            • MikeJones says:

              You can chime in the exploration yourself..

              Krishnamurti: So thought is measurable, intelligence is not. And how does it happen that this intelligence comes into existence? If thought has no relationship with intelligence, then is the cessation of thought the awakening of intelligence? Or is it that intelligence, being independent of thought, and therefore not of time, exists always?

              Bohm: That raises many difficult questions.

              Krishnamurti: I know.

              Bohm: So I would like to put this in a framework of thinking, how one would connect whatever we are saying to any scientific views that may exist!

              Krishnamurti: Yes, sir.

              Bohm: Either to show that it fits or doesn’t fit. So you say intelligence may be there always.

              Krishnamurti: I am asking – is it there always?

              Norm…you can review the whole discussion and let us all know how you made out.

            • every great scientist, inventor whatever will tell you he stands on the shoulders of someone else.

              right now i’m doing some stuff on steam engine developments—over 150 years its clear how one clever engineer improved on his predecessor, and how contemporaries helped each other, often unwittingly.

              but if we go back to the greeks, their ‘steam engine’, the aeolipile went nowhere because it couldnt actually do any meaningful work, despite the greeks having the ”intelligence” to design and build it—so it remained a toy until the 1700s

            • Mike Jones says:

              Ill.get you Norm…going out to fly a kite

            • i thought everyone was into drones these days

            • Tim Groves says:

              Yes, everyone who is anyone is into droning on these days.

            • glad to hear that tim

              cos i’m just a nobody

          • Keith Henson says:

            “incredible tremendous sense of ENERGY…”

            He was higher then a kite from the dopamine and endorphins dumped into his reward system. It’s an effect of attention from a bunch of people.

            Know the feeling, been there.

  29. Fast Eddy says:

    New Marketing Spin: Yesterday – Updated Covid Booster; Today – New Covid Shot.
    What are they injecting?

    • houtskool says:

      Fiat currencirs
      Covid shots
      Digital identities


    • How the shot affects others? It seems to keep covid going around and around.

      • Clayton Colvin says:

        I can confirm that from my experience. Covid going around and around my sister’s office. She’s afraid to go into the office and works from home. Not good news I’m afraid.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Delightful news!!

          I can’t wait for the lockdowns hahaha

        • I AM THE MOB says:

          Almost everyone at my work now is sick again. Around 8 people. Even a new hire a 19 year old guy.

          • Fast Eddy says:


            Urge them to get that new booster wilya… I can’t wait for winter up north… all that Long Covid stuff is gonna freak out the Zombies

            We got us a power outage here in Queenstown… even a brief FE Challenge reminds me why I abandoned the Doomie Prep…

            Sitting in the dark with a few candles… is inconvenient … but if it was permanent … not pleasant.

            At least there are no hungry zombies bashing on the door….

        • Thierry says:

          I concur. I observe the same thing here in France. Mostly or maybe only people who have been multiple jabbed. The second round of covid is in the cards.

  30. Fast Eddy says:

    Dead on the money …

    He should stay away from the klimax change nonsense though

    • The fellow from Sri Lanka says:

      “A city is a community on the arrow of time, an upward-trending arrow demanding perpetual growth. Growth is the engine of the city — if the increase stops, the city falls. Because of this, the local resources are used up quickly and the lands around the city die.”

      He later says:

      “If you look around, every ancient city ends up like this, from Polonnaruwa to Mohenjadaro back to the Fertile Crescent, which notably isn’t fertile anymore. Every city uses up its local resources and dies.”

      He then says,

      “By scaling up the city to global size, all we have done is use up all the resources and kill everyone. It was both predictable and unavoidable. Once you get on the highway everyone knows it sucks, but everyone just goes.”

      I think he is mistaken in the last item. The city is not yet global size. There are quite a few resources level. The parts of the world that use resources most sparingly will likely be able to continue. The Maximum Power Principle seems to say that the most economies most efficient in their use of resources will be able to carry on, in some form, even as collapse seems to take place.

      Climate has not been a huge barrier in the past. It likely won’t be in the future. Too cold is a much bigger bottleneck than too warm.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        And we refer to ourselves as intelligent … hahahahaahahaha

        What other species does THIS!!!

        Oh yes they would want to — if they were ‘intelligent’…. but they are not

  31. Ravi Uppal says:

    I have oft said
    1. Nothing bad happens , till it happens to you .
    2. Only in a world of unlimited resources can men live as brothers .
    This is a trailer , wait for the movie .

    • Communism has never worked well either, wherever it has been tried.

      • I AM THE MOB says:

        That’s because of Jevon’s paradox and tragedy of the commons. This is where technology solves these problems.

        And we can have communism in its most pure form.

        • Tsubion says:

          That’s all fine and dandy… but it only takes a re-read of Animal Farm to know that the little piggies always end up in the Farmhouse walking on two legs not four.

          Who controls the technology that brings us this level playing field?

          And if it’s AI don’t you think that evolutionary algos will develop similar traits that ensure their survival at all costs probably by bribing the most powerful humans in some way. Or vice versa. It doesn’t really matter. Someone always ends up as top dog.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Don’t hold a seminar or large group with that idea on a college campus; they will not agree nor will they be pleasant.

        Dennis L.

    • Mirror on the wall says:


      White 44.6%
      Black 25.1%
      Hispanic (any race) 27.5%
      Asian 11.8%

      Among cities in the State of New York, 36% of New York City’s population is foreign-born; this figure of approximately 3 million is a higher total number of foreign-born residents than any other U.S. city.

      NY State:

      In fact, statewide, the youth population is now more racially and ethnically diverse than ever, according to new U.S. Census data released last week.

      …. Forty-five percent of New York children were identified as white and non-Hispanic on the 2020 census, while 55 percent were Hispanic, of other races or multiple races.

  32. Mirror on the wall says:

    “Stockpiles are running dangerously low, with demand outstripping supply.”

    All of the NATO defence chiefs are agreed, according to Gen. Kristoffersen, that NATO procurement of arms is ‘still going slow’.

    NYT revealed earlier in the week that Russia is producing 7X the arms of the entire collective west, and Russia struck a deal this week to procure untold millions of Soviet-era missiles and other kit from N. Korea. (And thousands of young men are daily flooding into the Russian military and totally up for it, so there is no lack of manpower there.)

    We on here told them this at the outset, and maybe the Norwegian general will spell out some of the simple facts of life to NATO: NATO simply does not have the military-industrial productive base to compete with Russia, which has the best military industrial base in the world by far, and it is simply impossible for NATO to compete in war with Russia – and the same is true when it comes to China.

    Gen. Kristoffersen needs to tell NATO to get a grip and to enter into serious peace negotiations that will concede land to Russia and accept UKR neutrality. Russia is disarming not only UKR but the whole of NATO as it digs deeper and deeper into its stockpiles and NATO is going to be destroyed in Europe at this rate.

    Much of NATO is laughable anyway, eg. UK has just 40 working tanks, and it cannot defend itself let alone anyone else, as a senior USA General pointed out earlier this year. Maybe Gail could get on the phone with Gen. Kristoffersen and urge him to insist on a realistic and pragmatic stance?

    Putin’s War In Ukraine Drains NATO Arsenal; Norway Army Chief Warns | ‘Dangerously Low…’

    Norway’s Army chief has warned that NATO’s ammunition stockpiles are running dangerously low amid Russia’s war in Ukraine. General Eirik Kristoffersen, head of Norway’s Armed Forces, said that he spoke to all NATO defence chiefs who told him that demand for new weapons surpasses production. His comments come one day before an annual NATO defence chiefs conference, which is to be held in Norway. Watch for more details.

    • What can NATO do? It doesn’t have much capability to add more armaments either.

    • Zemi says:

      If our Lucy’s spiel is true, then why has Putin made a humiliating trip to tiny brutalist North Korea, begging for support from Kim Jong Un?

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        is that what your MSM reading tells you?

        really, where did you get such a psychowoketard spin?

        NOT a rhetorical question, I would like to know, if you’re brave enough to answer.

        Vlad the Great flew to eastern Russia where Kim had traveled by very slow train, kinda funny.

        your post is borderline war-on.

        the War-on Club is very small, do you really want to join?

        only member I know of is styrofoam brain you-know-who.

        • Zemi says:

          Ok, but the Pute is still meeting the dictator of tiny brutalist NK. How humiliating.

          • Tsubion says:

            El Trumpo met with him too remember. Was America begging for help or trying to look bad?

          • Fast Eddy says:

            It’s fantastic theatre though … just like Biden pretending to be senile but only some of the time

            And as for the corruption stuff that is also good theatre… why engage in such blatant corruption when you know that if you are a good boy while POTUS you are rewarded with tens upon tens of millions once you finish playing your role.

            It’s all WWE stuff

    • Tim Groves says:

      As I’ve noted before, this war is very very bad for Russia.

      NATO is losing a lot of equipment and ammo, but Russia is losing a lot of people.

      I note this in the knowledge that Ukrainians are Russians too—as Russian as Russian can be—racially, ethnically, culturally, religiously. They were part of the Russian Empire together with the rest of the Russians until the 1917 and they were all comrades together until 1991.

      The Western-based Globalized Homogenized Genderblenderized Whatchamacallit has been trying to slice ‘n’ dice any potential rivals since time immemorial, and it has always been at war with Eurasia and Eastasia.

      Getting Eurasians to to blow each other to itzy-bitzy pieces is a spectator sport for some, a business for others, and a matter of foreign policy for the Princes who rule the West.

      • ivanislav says:

        >> Russia is losing a lot of people.

        They lost 5th column and maybe 50-100k soldiers. They gain millions in the new territories. The bigger risk, I think, is that militarization may stifle innovation in non-military areas that are still critical. On the other hand, military technologies sometimes make their way into civilian use and perhaps the pressure of the war will energize the population to rise above the status quo.

        Another risk is that NATO continues escalation with infrastructure and military attacks and a very thin veil of deniability – “Ukraine did it” – and Russia continues to let those attacks go unanswered.

        • Tsubion says:

          You can expect false flag attacks that will be blamed on Russia and American nationalists. That should escalate things to the point where the US rolls out the big guns.

          And we’ll know if Russia and China really have any big defense capability or if it’s all a bluff.

          Rather than a hazy nuclear threat, we may see alternatives used to create the illusion of a mass destruction event. The media will take care of the rest. This may then be countered by a blackout that will be blamed on EMP or cyberattack.

          In the confusion, some rapid shuffling of chairs will take place and the “good guys” whichever way you want to see it will step up to the plate and put a stop to the chaos potentially revealing some new level of weapons tech that will also impact the energy industry.

          I mean why not. That’s how I would do it if I was playing this game. Milk fossil fuels for as long as possible. Bring the world to its knees following the biblical script and then arrive on the scene to be worshiped for the next thousand years.

        • Tim Groves says:

          >> Russia is losing a lot of people.

          That’s right, from a certain point of view, which I think is a correct and valid one.

          Because most Ukranians are Russians in most of the ways that really matter. They may not be Russians by today’s political definitions. And a lot of them may hate the Russians, especially now that they are at war. But they originate from the same genetic pool and there has always been a lot of intermarriage and genetic mingling between them.

          And now they have been manoeuvred and forced into fighting and killing each other to the tune of hundreds of thousands of people.

          This miserable conflict is very like a civil war, even if it is not officially catagorized as one and some observers treat it like a football game. Cousins are fighting and killing cousins.

          How many times have the Princes/Bankers in the West gotten away with this sort of caper? And how much are they earning out of this one?

          • ivanislav says:

            >> How many times have the Princes/Bankers in the West gotten away with this sort of caper?

            Many many

            >> And how much are they earning out of this one?

            Net negative. They are beginning to realize that they are rapidly destroying the precondition for their wealth: stability in the countries in which their wealth resides. They miscalculated. MIC profits are dwarfed by the strategic consequences.

            • drb753 says:

              All living things eventually strip their resource base. Why should they be anydifferent?

            • Keith Henson says:

              “strip their resource base”

              Without predators, absolutely. Apex predators kill each other. Humans have been apex predators for a long time.

  33. Ed says:

    Elon says it costs billions of dollars to train an AI. Not a democratic activity.

    • Doesn’t really work as well as a person would like, after all the money spent. But it takes a while to figure that out.

    • Tsubion says:

      Just release these things into the wild already. That would be democratic. Would be fun to see what these things would learn from the Internet at large untethered. A little trip through the dark web would be an education in “freedom” don’t you think. And all for free. Crowd sourced. And most likely NSFW.

  34. adonis says:

    The World Health Organization and its sister organizations have established a global delusion covering all 194 nations, including the U.S. Delusion is defined as,

    “A belief or altered reality that is persistently held despite evidence or agreement to the contrary, generally in reference to a mental disorder.”

    In short, the world has gone mad.

    For those who thought that “mass formation” (proposed by Dr. Mattias Desmet”) would pass with time, not so.

    COVID and the “Great Panic of 2020″ represents only the initial conditioning of mankind to fall deeper and deeper into hardened delusion.

    The worse it gets, the more pliable people are to manipulation toward self-destructive or harmful behavior.


    Michele Bachmann reports directly from

    WHO World Health Assembly in Geneva:

    ‘No dissent registered by any nation thus far

    to proposed amendments nor to global ‘pandemic’ treaty’.

    James Roguski also weighs in:

    ‘I can appreciate a skillfully crafted evil plan,

    and that’s what I see…’

    There will be a lot of people deceived…

    Former Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann is in Geneva this week as part of a small team of prayer warriors interceding for the very serious situation in which the world finds itself.

    We are on the brink of a major historical event in which power is in the process of shifting from nation-states to international bodies affiliated with the United Nations.

    It’s that process and how to accomplish it that’s being discussed right now at the 76th annual World Health Assembly in Geneva, Switzerland.

    Bachmann will be monitoring the proceedings regarding major amendments to the International Health Regulations (last amended in 2005) as well as an all-new ”pandemic’ accord’ that would shift massive amounts of power from national governments over to the United Nations World Health Organization and its ‘director general’…

    Today, she provided me with a timetable for the nations of the world to enter into this global pact, surrendering their sovereignty over “public health emergencies” to the WHO.

    Former member of Congress

    Michele Bachmann, R-Minnesota,

    at the 76th annual World Health Assembly

    in Geneva, Switzerland

    Bachmann stated in a text message that the WHO’s 194 member nations will take a final vote on,

    whether to hand over their sovereignty to the WHO one year from today at the 77th World Health Assembly in May 2024.

    “That vote will be on the package of 300 amendments supplanting (changing) the current International Health Rules,” she said.

    4″The delegates will also vote on the global ‘pandemic’ health treaty/accord.”

    Those two documents will be synthesized and coordinated and will be voted on at the same event in Geneva in May 2024, Bachmann explained.

    “There was no dissent registered by any nation thus far at the World Health Assembly 2023 to either the proposed 300 amendments nor to the global ‘pandemic’ treaty,” she said.

    “It is a unified voice of support for passage of the amendments and the proposed ‘pandemic’ treaty.”

    She further stated that a U.S. delegate to the Assembly (there are many alternates listed) spoke today, May 23, in favor of passing the package of proposed international health amendments and the global ‘pandemic’ accords.

    Barring intervention, the timetable and agenda are in place for passage in May 2024.

    “Nations will negotiate and will discuss the proposed 300 amendments and ‘pandemic’ treaty in New York City at the UN General Assembly meeting in September 2023,” Bachmann said.

    “The final package of amendments will be presented to the UN in January 2024, meaning the amendments and treaty will not be altered after that date.”

    She further stated that,

    “The delegates plan to return to Geneva in February 2024 to discuss and finalize their plans before the final vote one year from now at the 77th World Health Assembly at the United Nations in Geneva, Switzerland, May 2024.”

    Another expert on the globalists’ plans to achieve world domination through the avenue of “public health” is James Roguski, a California-based researcher and writer.

    Roguski runs the website

    He said the draft documents have been crafted in almost complete secrecy and yet they will be presented as inclusive and reflective of a broad array of stakeholders.

    He said U.S. passports in the early 1970s were issued with a smallpox vaccine certificate. This was your proof when entering another country that you had been immunized against smallpox.

    He said his girlfriend still has an old passport from 1972 showing the certificate of vaccination.

    “In Annex 6 of the International Health Regulations there’s a form identical to my girlfriend’s passport of 1972.

    It’s already been there but they want to digitize that, which would make it much easier to expand to whatever else they want to require or mandate.

    Digitizing it would open it up to all sorts of other certificates of compliance on a QR code.”

    Roguski said every nation under these proposed changes sees itself as having the right to tell foreign travelers,

    “you have to get these injections or you can’t come to our nation or state.”

    The question is, how to do that…?

    This one item, digital health certificates, is included in the proposed amendments to the IHRs.

    That also happens to be the one item the G20 nations all agreed at their summit in Indonesia last November that they wanted every nation to accept and implement.

    “Each nation is about to be coerced into abusing not necessarily their own citizens’ freedoms but the freedoms of the citizens of every other nation, but if everyone agrees to abuse other nations’ citizens then everyone ends up being abused,” Roguski said.

    “The irony and the hypocrisy are unbelievable. This is the thing that I think they might push through.

    It’s just a digital expansion of what everyone already accepts, and then you really do have a worldwide (digital) ID system that easily becomes the beast system.”

    “And nobody is talking about it,” Roguski said.

    “They could push that through quietly.”

    “They have these systems in place already,” he added.

    “All they have to do is sneak it in under the guise of some other issue.”

    What might that “other” issue be…?

    The need for Voter ID perhaps?

    “I can appreciate a skillfully crafted evil plan, and that’s what I see here. There will be a lot of people that you wouldn’t expect, who would actually fall for this.

    They’d say, ‘Oh you don’t have to get jabbed. You just have to get a test and then just let us check your digital ID.”


    We saw during Covid how many people refused the jab but agreed to get tested in order to be able to do certain things, go certain places.

    They will do it again, thinking they avoided the jabs, only they will be accepting a global digital ID.

    They will now be marked with a digital ID that is recognized and certified under global standards set by the WHO. They are now a certified obedient “citizen of the world” who is able to travel internationally without incident.

    If the U.N. and its support structure within the global corporations and governments of the world are able to pull this one off on us, then we deserve all of the oppression that comes our way.

    It’s not like we didn’t get a good warning. The lessons of the last ‘pandemic’ were clear…

    Any power or authority you give these monsters over your life, whether it be your local health director or the demonic entities in high places at the United Nations, they will claim that power over you perpetually and assume your obedience/submission to them.

    If you withhold your submission, you get “left behind,” unable to buy or sell, move about freely, work a job or receive any government benefits.

    That, my friends, is where this is heading whether you want to believe it or not.

    The overwhelming majority will offer their fealty to the beast…

    Whatever they agree to at the World Health Assembly, this year or one year from now in 2024, will be binding on the 194 member states.

    “And the WHO will have the power to say what is disinformation or misinformation,” Roguski said.

    “The WHO will be the arbiter of what the science is. That is a massive power grab.”

    The WHO and its backers are also introducing a concept which they call One Health.

    This merges the interests of all life on planet earth – animal, human and plant life.

    All health decisions will be made through the lens of a One Health approach.

    You can see where this will get dicey.

    “This gives the director general the ability to declare a public health emergency of international concern, triggering lockdowns, masking, forced vaccinations, etc.” Roguski said.

    “It doesn’t even have to be a real emergency. It could be even just a risk of an international emergency.

    “They are signing us up for digital slavery. The WHO is the global hegemon when it comes to forced vaccines policed through digital vaccine passports.

    But then, if this passes, it will go beyond ‘pandemic’s to any HEALTH EMERGENCY as declared by the WHO.”

    That could include anything from,

    climate change

    gun violence

    the so-called “attacks” on transgendered persons.

    “Anything could trigger the massive new powers they want to give to the WHO,” Roguski said.

    The proposed amendments eliminate protections.

    Under Article 3, for instance, the requirement that they respect human rights and human dignity is replaced with “equity.”

    “This gives the WHO a monopoly power over healthcare standards of care during so-called emergencies.

    This means we are actually empowering Bill Gates and China to direct policy, signing away rights and liberties carte blanche.”

    Roguski noted that the ‘recommendation’ to vaccinate children down to 6 months of age came from the WHO.

    Most nations did not listen to this recommendation.

    The U.S. did…!

    Anyone who argued that Covid vaccines were dangerous for adults, pregnant mothers, children or babies was branded as a purveyor of misinformation and was silenced by the media/social media platforms working in tandem with Big Pharma and the government.

    “There will be only one version of the ‘truth’,” Roguski said.

    “That doesn’t sound like science or the scientific method to me… Sovereignty in a democratic republic legitimately belongs to the people.

    It’s not Biden’s or anyone else’s to give away.”

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    • JMS says:

      Pretty much my view too. A digital collar around each neck, a la chinese, is the best way to control the masses now that the energy surplus for carrots has come to an end and the fiction of democracy can no longer be maintained. Correcting G. Bush, the 2030 Agenda is not negotiable and the American way of life (aka consumerism) is on its last legs.
      Of course, to achieve a proper digital collar it will be neccessary another big shock, and that can only be “the big one” promised by kill Gates.
      So I expect that next autumn-winter we’ll see an overwhelming return of “pandemic”.
      And my guess is that it will be the GO-5G combination that will do the trick of creating the death numbers necessary for the sheep to give up what little freedom and autonomy they have left.
      About this, something posted by James in Megacancer:

    • There is a question mark in my mind as to how well this will work.

      The world looks like it will rapidly move away from the US$ as reserve currency. The US is losing its hegemony. Each layer of world government will take more and more energy.

      For this reason, I am skeptical that world control of anything can take place. It seems like Europe will break up into smaller units, as will the United States. Other countries will be in different directions. These grand plans will probably not really go into play. At least, that is what I am hoping.

      • Cromagnon says:

        Reiver world is being born now. IQ is falling and with it agreeableness and social cohesion. I think it will be shocking to westerners and all first world citizens just how fast local warlords will appear and macroeconomics gets relegated to the dustbin of history.

        • Artleads says:

          Cromagnon: “…local warlords will appear …” There all about and have been for a while. But there is enough wealth to shield the functional majority from them. That won’t last. The trick is for that majority to get technology just high and wide enough that the warlords will be subdued for a long time, perhaps long enough for some new thing to emerge…

          • that ”technology” word again

            to repeat myself, technology can exist only so long as there is enough cheap surplus energy to support it.

            remove cheap surplus energy, oil coal and gas, and you return to the technology of the farmcart and the sailing ship.

            • Tim Groves says:

              And cheap surplus energy can only be obtained if there is sufficiently advanced technology to obtain it.

              Remove sufficiently advanced technology and you return to burning wood or grass or peat or animal dung, or sitting in the dark nursing your chilblains, and wondering if the hordes or the spent fuel ponds are going to get you.

            • if we’re discussing chickens and eggs Tim

              the first coalmines were dug sideways, using basic iron tools, when that was no longer practicicable, shafts went vertically, not far at first but then deeper and deeper as skills and tools evolved.

              Mines for coal and iron evolved because they provided the cheap surplus energy to build and power the engines that removed water from mines, which allowed them to go ever deeper.

              it was the surplus energy in the coal that allowed iron to be made in quantity that built the engines that allowed mines to go deeper and deeper.

              That is what kicked off our current ”consumer economy”.—the products delivered from cheap energy had to be sold to a growing population,

              they didnt build hundreds of steam engines, then looked for coal mines and oilwells to find a use for them .

            • Tim Groves says:

              Ever since they started building steam engines, Norman, they’ve been looking for coal mines, and ever since they started building ICs, they’ve been looking for oil wells to keep these engines supplied with fuel.

              Without the need to keep feeding the technology, there would be no need to keep looking for fuel. And without the need to keep looking for fuel, there would be no need to keep feeding the technology.

              Chicken and egg?

              Well, what came first?

              Long long time ago, way, way, way, way, way back, somebody found that fire could be very useful. Then somebody else found that it would be even more useful if fire could be kindled on demand.

              An from those humble beginnings, the search for technologies and fuels to keep getting useful stuff done and increase the surplus won from nature has snowballed, mushroomed, and finally exploded.

            • we’ve come to much the same conclusion Tim

              my only shade of difference I think, lies in finding a ‘purpose’ for all that fuel

              this is why wars are so good for a ”surplus energy economy”–they burning through fuels, and provide full employment/high wages.

              the American Dream didnt kick off until 1945, and the economic momentum of WW2—that lasted until 1970, when the USA went into effective energy deficit (oil was there, but it was no longer cheap and surplus after 1970–that was when the USA was no longer the swing producer.)

              essentially, after 1970, we were having to use more and more fuel to get hold of fuel, leaving less to waste on the high life.

              This differential wasnt noticed at first

              but our current plunge into chaos is because the differential is now far bigger—and getting bigger all the time.

              soon we will (try) to reach the point where we are using more fuel to get fuel, than the fuel-energy itself is delivering to us.

              At that point it will be game over for cohesive society,

            • Keith Henson says:

              “if there is sufficiently advanced technology to obtain it. ”


            • da Vinci had all the basics of industrial technology figured out

              but he lacked the critical factor—an engine

              had he had an ic engine, we would have been on the moon by 1800, and back in the stone age about now i’d guess

            • Tim Groves says:

              So Keith and Norman, sounds we are all singing from the same hymnbook on this one, albeit slightly out of tune and off key.

              No surprise that, as I’m notorious for being tone deaf. I made the other choirboys wince.

            • we wont discuss how you made choirboys wince

          • Artleads says:

            I operate on the “minimum power principle” (searching for a term not yet identified) using just enough energy as is available–embedded energy included. I say it now because it so consistency gets buried under dogma/theory…which is a waste of time and energy in itself.

            • Artleads says:


              Maybe they emerged independently, found that they work together optimally, and have been together ever since.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Sorry to break the bad news… but they are planning to release a pathogen that kills all Vaxxers… the other 2B starve…

        It’s actually good news… if you consider the alternative

        • Tim Groves says:

          And So It Begins: Major Hospital Issues ‘Updated’ Covid Vaccine Mandate for Caregivers

          A major hospital network in the United States has issued a directive to caregivers requiring them to take the new “updated” mRNA Covid-19 vaccine recently approved by the FDA.

          “We updated our COVID-19 Vaccination Policy and caregivers need to receive the most up-to-date Covid-19 vaccine available,” the letter tells workers.

          The letter adds employees who don’t take the jab or submit a waiver by Nov. 30 “may be removed from the schedule, placed on unpaid leave and may be subject to termination for continued non-compliance with their facility policy.”

          As I keep reminding people, the Reverend Jim Jones was an enthusiastic Democrat and a good friend of Jane Fonda. But there’s more:

          “Such greatness I have found in Jim Jones’s Peoples Temple,” Harvey Milk gushed. Yes, that Harvey Milk.

          Willie Brown, later speaker of the California assembly and mayor of San Francisco, compared Jim Jones to Martin Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi. Dianne Feinstein joined the rest of the San Francisco board of supervisors in honoring Jones “in recognition of his guidance and inspiration” in furthering “humanitarian programs.”

          • Fast Eddy says:


            COVID-19 is on a resurgence around the world and some jurisdictions have brought back mask mandates as a defensive tactic.

            But heath officials in BC are stressing voluntary vaccines rather than masks.

            “We urge all people in BC to continue to follow public-health advice and to stay home when sick, wear masks when appropriate, follow respiratory etiquette, wash hands frequently, and, most importantly, stay up to date on your vaccinations,” says a joint statement to from the BC Centre for Disease Control, Ministry of Health and public health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry.

            A new vaccine will be offered this fall for people who have gone six months or more since their last shot.


    • Winnie says:

      RE: “For those who thought that “mass formation” (proposed by Dr. Mattias Desmet”) would pass with time, not so.”

      A very few singular voices had pointed that out in 2021 when Desmet “suddenly” appeared on the scene. Here’s such a 2021 comment (see “Marlon”) posted at another site (

      “Unfortunately, unlike how Desmet frames it, the reality of mass formation or mass psychosis isn’t just occurring once in a while since the 20th century but is a CONTINUOUS reality among “civilized” humans ….

      He also fails to see that the Covid Psyop is a TOTALLY deliberate ploy because he doesn’t think it’s ALL intentionally sinister.

      Worst of all, perhaps, he frames the problem as the public being a mere victim in this phenomenon. Nothing could be further from the truth…”

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Desmet’s role in this is to ensure that the mob does not identify any targets and rage against the machine… He must be delighted with the results as 8 billion are about to go extinct without even the slightest whimper…

        • Foolish Fitz says:

          Desmet is a fraud, used to move blame from the organisers to everyone, much like Bossche is a fraud, used to move blame away from the poison and onto variants of nothing.

          There was no deadly pandemic, just the biggest behavioural change media campaign in human history(20/42 in SAGE were mathematicians/behavioural psychologists for a reason), coupled with the destruction of all tried and tested medical protocols.

          It was all a fraud, used to herd the gullible into the new normal.

          3½ years in and people are still fixated on the imaginary squirrel, instead of looking at what is being done in the real world. Remember how right at the beginning they told everyone bank notes could spread the imaginary, so use contactless payment to protect yourself and more importantly, others(communitarianism).

          Guess what, if you look back to the second half of 2019 all the media were running stories about the end of cash.

          That’s of course just a coincidence and definitely wasn’t done to program the thoughts and behaviour of the public. Unstaffed checkouts with facial recognition cameras appearing everywhere in 2020, was also just a reaction and we were very lucky that all the equipment needed, just happened to be there waiting, when everything was apparently closed for business.

  35. Mrs S says:

    The UK government are planning to fine boiler manufacturers for selling boilers. The cost is going to double:

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Speaking of boilers… our diesel boiler went fully functional last week…

      I set it to come on at 6am…. then turn it down as I transition from diesel to coal/wood around 730…

    • Of course, electricity is doing even less well than fossil fuels in Europe.

      But this was, it looks like we are intentionally moving away from fossil fuels. The catch is that electricity isn’t going to be available either.

  36. I AM THE MOB says:

    In tomorrow’s world, people who see change as opportunity will succeed: WEF founder

    “I think it’s the first time in global history that people are so pessimistic about the future,” Professor Schwab told The Straits Times editor Jaime Ho in an interview on Aug 31.

    Now, my advice would be to embrace change,” he said. Those who do so can respond more swiftly to new developments in the increasingly competitive and fast-paced global environment, giving them an edge over others elsewhere.

    “In the world of tomorrow, it’s not the big fish eating the small fish, but the fast fish eating the slow fish,” he said. “Change will be a constant factor in our lives, and those people who see change as an opportunity and not as a threat will succeed.”

    • World Economic Forum folks seem to be centered in Europe. People in Europe seem to be overusing resources relative to value produced, compared to many other places.

      WEF have to come up with some good stories. Europe is not likely to come out well in the next collapse. Warm, wet countries have a definite advantage, like where the Garden of Eden was set.

      • JMS says:

        I’m afraid that all Edens are already overpopulated, except perhaps in the interior of Brazil.
        A piece of advice to young OFW readers: look for properties in Roraima (population density: 2.8 inhabitants per km2, 70% of which living in the state capital), which means loads and loads of ground to test survival techniques from the 5th century BC, with the only disadvantage of not allowing internet to watch the greatest show of the last 500 years: The End of the Middle Classes.

        • ivanislav says:

          Too hot. Only gets as cold as 68 degrees F on average in the coldest months. 100 and humid in warm months? Fuggedaboudit.

          • JMS says:

            You’re probably right. Despite being largely depopulated and with abundant rain, Roraima is too hot and humid (except in the mountainous regions).
            So young OFW readers, listen to Ivanislav and forget about Roraima. Go instead to Rio Grande do Sul.

  37. Rodster says:

    “We Must Ban Hot Yoga Workouts”

    It’s just a coincidence because this really is the new normal and we all know since the CV19 vaccines are SO safe and effective, we can rule them out.

    “Former Celtics, Magic player Brandon Hunter dies at age 42”

    Brandon Hunter, the former Ohio University star who played two NBA seasons — one with the Celtics, one with the Magic — then had a long career playing overseas, died during a workout in Orlando Tuesday. Hunter was age 42.

    Hunter collapsed and passed away during a hot yoga workout, an exercise he did regularly his mother-in-law, Carolyn Cliett, told NBC News.

    “It was hot yoga, and he did it regularly,” she said. “He was in good shape as far as we know. We’re just shocked.”

  38. MikeJones says:

    Global climate protests demand world leaders phase out fossil fuels
    By Kate Abnett September 14, 2023 Reuters
    Protests planned in 54 countries this weekend
    Organisers seek post-COVID return to mass actions
    Demand rapid phaseout of fossil fuels
    Countries to consider phaseout at COP28 summit
    Organizers of the protests expect global turnout over the weekend to total more than a million people. That could make this weekend’s action the largest international climate protest since before the COVID-19 pandemic, when the “school strike” movement led by Swedish activist Greta Thunberg saw millions of people worldwide join marches.
    “This is directed at world leaders,” said Mitzi Jonelle Tan, a climate activist with youth movement Fridays for Future in Manila, the Philippines.
    The fossil fuel industry’s time is up. We need a just transition, and we need to phase out the fossil fuels causing the destruction of our environment,” she told Reuters.
    Organisers said they would call on governments to immediately end subsidies for oil and gas and to cancel any plans for expanding production.
    Governments spent a record-high $7 trillion in subsidies to oil, gas and coal last year, according to an IMF analysis.
    Renewable energy is cheaper than fossil fuels in terms of its running costs, but communities need support to make the upfront investments required to quickly build wind farms and install solar panels.
    Despite having plentiful solar energy resources, Africa received only 2% of global investments in renewable energy over the last two decades, the International Renewable Energy Agency has said.
    Around 15,000 people were expected to join a march in New York on Sunday, as leaders gather for next week’s U.N. General Assembly, as well as a “climate ambition summit” on Wednesday. U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres is expected to ask governments to strengthen their plans for cutting planet-warming emissions.
    A U.N. report last week warned that the world was on a dangerous track toward severe global warming, and said more action was needed on all fronts, including a drastic drop in coal-fuelled power use by 2030.

    How many of these events do they need to put on to realize it ain’t gonna happen?
    No way to have 8 billion people consuming ever rising without the black goo and rocks…. Suppose when you have a full belly it’s easy to demand this and that

    • Renewables are cheaper, only with very bad accounting.

      It helps too, if renewables can be used will no attempt at batteries for storage. If storage is added, renewables tend to become hopelessly expensive.

      If an economy can use renewable energy in the very intermittent form it comes, it perhaps is “cheap.” It can run sail boats, but it takes a very long time. Very often, the ship takes weeks longer than planned, or is lost at sea.

      Renewables have not worked well for heating in winter or for growing food in the past. Those are very essential uses for energy, in my opinion.

  39. Will there be anything for those who are not today’s winners?


    Nanotech can eliminate any stealing. you steal the massa’s bread. Unfortunately there are nanobots in the bread, which will identify you, and a drone will be sent to polish you off.

    In the movie the Tree of Wooden Clogs, the master was kind enough to just kick them out. As indicated in Anderson’s tale Red Shoes, usually the feet was cut along with the clog. The kid, whose dad stole the master’s tree to make a wooden clog, would live footless for the rest of his life, assuming he survives the amputations, usually done with an axe.

    My grandparents told me quite a few stories which is too horrorsome for here to tell.

    Every single atom will be owned by today’s winners, and something which will make the 1845 Irish famine look like a picnic gone wrong will await, while today’s winners will ride out the famine in their island retreats or cruise boats, way away from any looters.

    • there will be no ”winners”

      merely ”delay-ers”

      which is what sitting on a island will do—for a short while.

      how long will be anybody’s guess, and each delayer will remain convinced he has the answer to survival—in his own bubble of denial.

      • The ability to delay decline seems to be tossed around. The former Soviet Union started declining in the 1980s, and the central government collapsed in 1991. Its oil and other fossil fuel exports have greatly increased, but its citizens have not really done well. It has been an area that has been disproportionately in collapse, for a very long line.

        China started a big growth spurt at the end of 2001, when it jointed the World Trade Organization. But now it seems to have reached the end of its growth spurt.

        Leadership gets passed around.

        • we all do the delay-denial thing

          just a matter of scale.

          we all think in human-time too, Whereas the planet functions in Earth-time.

          If we could look back from a million years hence, we might just see that human species decline commenced the moment we began to control fire.

          what has seemed to us steady growth and progress, has in fact been decline into oblivion as a species.

          and i might be wrong of course. (i sometimes am)

          • Tsubion says:

            Fear not Norm… I think our little spurt is going to give rise to some kind of offspring.

            Isn’t that what happens with all other life forms?

            And what is humanity if not one super massive pregnant life form preparing to give birth.

            I wonder what the little blighter will look like.

            What do you think we should call him?

    • Tim Groves says:

      People love telling tales of brutality, that’s for sure.

      And some of those tales are true.

      Some of the old Chinese ones I’ve read are unrepeatable.
      And I’m talking about what aristocrats did to other aristocrats.

      And yet, the peasants, while their lives may not have been pleasant, have always survived in great enough numbers to carry on scratching a living.

      Yes, great men and women will always come and go, but the people will go on forever.

  40. Student says:

    Covid and Neanderthal.

    There is in Italy these days a debate about how a certain percentage of Neanderthal genes affects negatively the severity of SarsCov2 disease, in relation to a recent research seems have found.
    The recent finding is this (and it is very suspect because it comes from a Doctor who sponsored a lot Covid vaccines).
    Dr. Remuzzi says that the terrible Covid outcome in Lombardia is due to the fact that people have there a high percentage of Neanderthal genes (up to 7%) and so they had a bad result on their health:

    The strange thing is that in other studies, researchers found that a person has less sever SarsCov2 thanks to Neanderthal genes (!), which is exactly the opposite,

    and also here and here:

    My impression is that ‘they’ are trying to let enter a certain message to Italian people, but it is not clear yet which one to me.
    Maybe they are trying to move the real responsibilities of their mistakes about the terrible outcome in Lombardia with some genetic responsibility… (such as no cures suggested or even wrong ones or also people highly vaccinated against flu in that area and so with weak immune system to fight SarsCov2 etc.)

    What do you think about ?
    Thanks !

    • drb753 says:

      They like to make noise and keep covid in the news. The terrible outcome in Lombardy was obtained with spraying drones out of Ghedi Torre, and individual agents with diapazolam syringes moving around hospitals at night.

      • Student says:

        I agree with you that they like to make noise and keep covid in the news.
        Italy may have been punished for having signed ‘Belt & Road’ agreement as first and only one in Europe.
        The point about Ghedi Torre is new to me. Do you have any link?

    • adonis says:

      I asked, “What do they do at BioRad?”

      “Well, they make the most hazardous biological and nuclear chemicals in the world, for medical research.”

      “Who do they sell it to?”

      “Well, front line researchers all over the world. BioRad is the single source for this stuff … actually Aldrich Chemical sells it, there’s about 100 companies, but BioRad is head and shoulder above all of them by a factor of ten on many things like Cytotoxins.”

      I remembered reading about Cytotoxins in the Wackenhut/Cabazon biological warfare letters to Dr. Harry Fair.

      Michael continued … “You look at Cytotoxic TLymphocytes. You go ask any medical professional what they’re doing on the leading edge of research there? What the full implications to humanity are, OK?”

      I wanted clarification from Michael, so I answered, “It looks to me like research on a cure for cancer.”

      Michael took the bait. “Go ask a professional. I’d rather have you hear it from a collateral source other than from me.”

      “Well, give me some indication …”

      Michael responded hesitantly, “It would have been Hitler’s wet dream. It’s selective to such a degree that it’s awesome. With the appropriate genetic material, you can wipe out whole segments of humanity. There’s no stopping it.”

      “I asked, “You mean you could selectively wipe out certain races of people?”



      Mike continued …”And, also, from the beneficial side, you can very specifically wipe out disease cells, cancer cells. Look at the patents. Look at Immunix (phonetic sp.) Corporation, look at the patent portfolios on BioRad.”

      “Who’s BioRad’s main buyer?”

      “Well, the National Institute of Health, you know, every hospital in the world buys BioRad products.”

      • Retired Librarian says:

        Hi Adonis. Very interesting, what is this from?

      • Mrs S says:

        I read that book years ago. It’s about the murder of Danny Casolero and the Promis software.

        It was my introduction to the machinations of the deep state. It made my head spin.

        Highly recommended.

      • Student says:

        It should be this one:

        ”The Last Circle: Danny Casolaro’s Investigation into the Octopus and the PROMIS Software Scandal”.
        Probing one of most organized and complex criminal enterprises in the United States, this report exposes the dynamics of the Octopus, a globe-trotting undercover intelligence operative. Based on 18 years of investigative research, this account reveals high-level, covert government operations and the elaborate corporate structures and the theft of high-tech software (PROMIS) used as smoke-and-mirror covers for narcotics trafficking, money laundering, arms sales, and espionage. The Octopus connections to a maze of politicians and officials in the National Security Council, the CIA, the FBI, and the U.S. Department of Justice are revealed. A detailed look into the recent high-profile arrest of Mafia hit-man Jimmy Hughes is also included in this intriguing analysis.”

        There are also some free of charge pdf version here and there and a youtube audible version.

        Please let me know if it is correct

      • Militaries around the world seem to find hazardous biological agents terribly interesting, because they do not require huge amounts of fossil fuels the way bombs do.

  41. MikeJones says:

    Yo, Eddie…the new grease of the BAU Wheel…VIP Room Baby

    Cocaine Is Set to Overtake Oil to Become Colombia’s Main Export

    Bloomberg Economics estimates 2022 exports of $18.2 billion
    Cocaine could overtake oil exports as soon as this year
    A worker holds coca paste in La Paz, Guaviare department, ColombiaPhotographer: Ivan Valencia/Bloomberg
    By Oscar Medina
    September 14, 2023 at 2:52 PM EDT
    Cocaine is set to become Colombia’s main export, overtaking oil, as production of the narcotic continues to expand as the government take a more lenient policy regarding drugs, according to estimates by Bloomberg Economics.

    Oil exports posted a drop of 30% in the first half and the trend of cocaine trade has consistently risen, meaning the latter could be Colombia’s No. 1 export as soon as this year, according to Bloomberg economist Felipe Hernandez.

    Colombia’s New Finance Minister Ricardo Bonilla Holds Press Conference
    Colombia Finance Ministry, Business Groups Make Rare Joint Plea for Interest Rate Cuts

    Presidents AMLO and Petro Attend the Latin American Conference on Drugs
    Colombia’s Peace Talks With ELN Guerrilla to Continue in Mexico

    It’s a weird 😮 world….

    • If we can’t have adequate energy supplies, maybe pharmaceutical drugs can substitute. Or cocaine. People can pretend that they are happy, even if they aren’t.

  42. MikeJones says:

    It’s over, Eddie…official report card from those who know…really theu do ..its a scientific study written and published.
    Earth ‘well outside safe operating space for humanity’, scientists find

    First complete ‘scientific health check’ shows most global systems beyond stable range in which modern civilisation emerged
    Damian Carrington Environment editor

    Earth’s life support systems have been so damaged that the planet is “well outside the safe operating space for humanity”, scientists have warned.

    Their assessment found that six out of nine “planetary boundaries” had been broken because of human-caused pollution and destruction of the natural world. The planetary boundaries are the limits of key global systems – such as climate, water and wildlife diversity – beyond which their ability to maintain a healthy planet is in danger of failing.

    The broken boundaries mean the systems have been driven far from the safe and stable state that existed from the end of the last ice age, about 10,000 years ago, to the start of the industrial revolution. The whole of modern civilisation arose in this time period, called the Holocene.

    The assessment was the first of all nine planetary boundaries and represented the “first scientific health check for the entire planet”, the researchers said. Six boundaries have been passed and two are judged to be close to being broken: air pollution and ocean acidification. The one boundary that is not threatened is atmospheric ozone, after action to phase out destructive chemicals in recent decades led to the ozone hole shrinking.

    ……The assessment, which was published in the journal Science Advances and was based on 2,000 studies, indicated that several planetary boundaries were passed long ago. The boundary for biosphere integrity, which includes the healthy functioning of ecosystems, was broken in the late 19th century, the researchers said, as destruction of the natural world decimated wildlife. The same destruction, particularly the razing of forests, means the boundary for land use was broken last century.

    Sadly, I’m going to miss you all here 😚…it’s been so enriching and you all made me a better individual to have endured this collapse event…once in a lifetime event hold on

  43. MikeJones says:

    The most-actively traded gold futures contract is on pace to decline this week, down 0.5% to $1,922.40 a troy ounce so far. That’s despite recent data showing consumer inflation accelerated in August at the fastest pace in more than a year. Supplier prices also rose more than expected.
    Why is the decline surprising? Investors typically prize gold as a hedge against inflation, expecting it to hold up in value even as other assets fall.
    So why is gold falling? Some investors worry whether this week’s data will encourage the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates later this year to tame sticky inflation. That has sent yields on government bonds higher, hurting the price of gold, which doesn’t pay any regular income.

    BAU Baby Still alive and kicking…long live Fist Fantasy Island…

    Retro TV Moment: Mr. Roarke gives Tattoo a sweet ride (Fantasy Island)

  44. Fast Eddy says:

    What is Crisis Cast???

  45. Fast Eddy says:

    Everybody was kung fu fighting … it was fast as lightening …

    History repeats

    Australians on board a luxury cruise ship that has run aground in remote north-eastern Greenland say spirits are high despite several cases of COVID-19 being reported on board.

    • I bet none of them will die of covid, this time.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Farewell to Tarwathie, adieu Mormond Hill,
      And the dear land of Crimond, I bid you farewell;
      I’m bound out for Greenland and ready to sail,
      In hopes to find riches in hunting the whale.

      Adieu to my comrades, for a while we must part,
      And likewise the dear lass who fair won my heart;
      The cold ice of Greenland my love will not chill,
      And the longer my absence, more loving she’ll feel.

      Our ship is well rigged and she’s ready to sail.
      Our crew they are anxious to follow the whale;
      Where the icebergs do float and the stormy winds blow,
      Where the land and the ocean is covered with snow.

      The cold coast of Greenland is barren and bare,
      No seed time nor harvest is ever known there;
      And the birds here sing sweetly on mountain and dale,
      But there are no sweet birds to sing to the whale.

      There’s no habitation for a man to live there,
      And the king of that country is the fierce Greenland bear;
      And there’ll be no temptation to tarry long there,
      With our ship bumper full we will homeward repair.

    • Tim Groves says:

      It was homeward bound one night on the deep,
      Swinging in my hammock I fell asleep.
      I dreamed a dream and I thought it true
      Concerning Franklin and his gallant crew.

      With one hundred seamen he sailed away
      To the frozen ocean in the month of May,
      To seek that passage around the Pole
      Where we poor seamen do sometimes go.

      Through cruel hardships they vainly strove,
      Their ship on mountains of ice was drove,
      Only the Eskimo in his skin canoe
      Was the only one who ever came through.

      In Baffin’s Bay where the whalefish blow
      The fate of Franklin no man may know.
      Oh the fate of Franklin no tongue can tell,
      Lord Franklin along with his sailors do dwell.

      And now my burden it gives me pain,
      For me long lost Franklin I’d cross the main.
      Oh ten thousand pounds I would freely give
      To say on earth that my Franklin do live.

      There are lots of variations on this song. In this version, Léa Sanacore skips the fourth verse, changes seamen to sailors and Eskimo to Indian. But she gives an enchanting performance.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Keep in mind Luc Montagnier said this within a couple of months of the emergence of Covid… so no great revelation here… other than that they have done it multiple times…

        Does anyone not think that at some point they will release the definitive pathogen?

        Here we are — in a state of deep depletion on a wide range of resources including oil…

        The global economy is again in great turmoil….

        Previously the response was to unleash a deluge of stimulus… calming the waters…

        But now massive stimulus is no longer an option — because The Inflation… in fact the CBs are forced to tighten… de-stimulate in effect….

        Unless you believe India landing a contraption on the moon …and that 911 was not orchestrated by the US govt…. and that the Rat Juice is very safe and very effective… i.e. you are NOT a MOREON…

        Then I suspect you will understand that this is a very dangerous moment — and that we are facing collapse of BAU which would lead to ROF…

        Surely those with Horse Power for brains … will recognize that the the Elders have been planning for this for decades… and that the plan involves hijacking the immune systems of billions … prepping them for detonation …

        Then lobbing the cannisters into the fray… killing every single Vaxxer … they will be completely defenceless because the pathogen to be released… has been exquisitely designed so that the immune system does not even notice it … as it creeps past… and slits the throat of Mr DNA…

        The 2B who are not vaxxed.. will be — as stated in UEP — extremely frightened… who would not be when 6B are dead and rotting away — has anyone ever smelled the stench of rotting human flesh?

        In Rwanda they shot the dogs … cuz they were eating the corpses… and that was grossing the folks out I suppose…

        The Horror… The Horror… 2B will be forced to endure this situation (and regret not taking the Rat Juice…) …. no need to force anyone into lockdown … fear of this pathogen (which is actually harmless to the unvaxxed… but hey – they won’t know that)… will convince them to do as they are told… stay safe!!!

        And we know how that ends… starvation.

        Those with food stockpiles will linger for a little longer — in misery … shell-shocked by what’s happened… but then the cancer will come for them… 4000 ponds… leaching toxins into the air and water…

        And that will be the end of us… this vile… stooopid..destructive….cruel… disgraceful species…

        Will disappear.

        • Tim Groves says:

          If the worst comes to the worst, crows, rats and other carrion eaters will feast. And of what they leave behind, ants can finish off in a few weeks.

          If there aren’t enough undertakers to undertake the task of taking the dead underground, nature’s very own cleanup crew will take up the slack.

  46. Fast Eddy says:

    Now THIS … is hilarious … I’ve stopped sugar in coffee… and avoid all sugar after finishing

    Sugar… is f789ing POISON

    • I try to avoid sugar, other than within fresh fruit.

      • David says:

        It’s pure, white and deadly as John Yudkin said in a book 50 years ago. In response, his career was destroyed.

        By the 1980s the USA and UK went for the food pyramid which advised type 2 diabetics to eat a high-carb. diet. In the 1960s and -70s, UK GPs seem to have advised patients with high blood sugar to eat low-carb. foods (the correct response, as we now know.)

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I initially tried to find the Yudkin book but it’s not on Audible… he features in The Case Against Sugar

          Having read this book and understanding that sugar is likely behind the vast majority of chronic and lethal diseases including heart disease… is a powerful inducement to completely avoid it…

          Not that it matters… given we are on the verge of extinction

  47. Fast Eddy says:

    And also completely true

    It’s all fake —ALL… of … IT

    • “The sooner you realize our government is run exactly the same way as professional wrestling the sooner all of this will make sense.”

      • Tim Groves says:

        Jesse Ventura serving as Governor of Minnesota suddenly makes a lot more sense.

        • Retired Librarian says:

          Very funny! Actually, Jesse was decent as MN govs go. Our current gov is a progressive tyrant who spent 6.9 million for a warehouse to “store the bodies” during covid.

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