Where Energy Modeling Goes Wrong

There are a huge number of people doing energy modeling. In my opinion, nearly all of them are going astray in their modeling because they don’t understand how the economy really operates.

The modeling that comes closest to being correct is that which underlies the 1972 book, The Limits to Growth by Donella Meadows and others. This modeling was based on physical quantities of resources, with no financial system whatsoever. The base model, shown here, indicates that limits would be reached a few years later than we actually seem to be reaching them. The dotted black line in Figure 1 indicates where I saw the world economy to be in January 2019, based on the limits we already seemed to be reaching at that time.

Figure 1. Base scenario from 1972 Limits to Growth, printed using today’s graphics by Charles Hall and John Day in “Revisiting Limits to Growth After Peak Oil,” with dotted line added corresponding to where I saw the world economy to be in January 2019, based on how the economy was operating at that time.

The authors of The Limits to Growth have said that their model cannot be expected to be correct after limits hit (which is about now), so even this model is less than perfect. Thus, this model cannot be relied upon to show that population will continue to rise until after 2050.

Many readers are familiar with Energy Return on Energy Invested (EROEI) calculations. These are favorites of many people following the Peak Oil problem. A high ratio of Energy Returned to Energy Invested is considered favorable, while a low ratio is considered unfavorable. Energy sources with similar EROEIs are supposedly equivalent. Even these similarities can be misleading. They make intermittent wind and solar appear far more helpful than they really are.

Other modeling, such as that by oil companies, is equally wrong. Their modeling tends to make future fossil fuel supplies look far more available than they really are.

This is all related to a talk I plan to give to energy researchers later in February. So far, all that is pinned down is the Summary, which I reproduce here as Section [1], below.

[1] Summary: The economy is approaching near-term collapse, not peak oil. The result is quite different.

The way a person views the world economy makes a huge difference in how one models it. A big issue is how connected the various parts of the economy are. Early researchers assumed that oil was the key energy product; if it were possible to find suitable substitutes for oil, the danger of exhaustion of oil resources could be delayed almost indefinitely.

In fact, the operation of the world economy is controlled by the laws of physics. All parts are tightly linked. The problem of diminishing returns affects far more than oil supply; it affects coal, natural gas, mineral extraction in general, fresh water production and food production. Based on the work of Joseph Tainter, we also know that added complexity is also subject to diminishing returns.

When a person models how the system works, it becomes apparent that as increasing complexity is added to the system, the portion of the economic output that can be returned to non-elite workers as goods and services drops dramatically. This leads to rising wage disparity as increasing complexity is added to the economy. As the economy approaches limits, rising wage disparity indirectly leads to a tendency toward low prices for oil and other commodities because a growing number of non-elite workers are unable to afford homes, cars and even proper nutrition. 

A second effect of added complexity is growing use of long-lasting goods available through technology. Many of these long-lasting goods are only affordable with financial time-shifting devices such as loans or the sale of shares of stock. As non-elite workers become increasingly unable to afford the output of the economy, these time-shifting devices provide a way to raise demand (and thus prices) for commodities of all types, including oil. These time-shifting devices are subject to manipulation by central banks, within limits.

Standard calculations of Energy Returned on Energy Invested (EROEI) ignore the fact that added complexity tends to have a very detrimental impact on the economy because of the diminishing returns it produces. To correct for this, today’s EROEI calculations should only be used to compare energy systems with similar complexity. The least complex energy systems are based on burned biomass and power from animals. Fossil fuels represent a step upward in complexity, but they still can be stored until their use is required. Intermittent renewables are far ahead of fossil fuels in terms complexity: they require sophisticated systems of storage and distribution and therefore cannot be considered equivalent to oil or dispatchable electricity.

The lack of understanding of how the economy really works has led to the failure to understand several important points:

(i) Low oil prices rather than high are to be expected as the economy reaches limits,

(ii) Most fossil fuel reserves will be left in the ground because of low prices,

(iii) The economy is experiencing the historical phenomenon of collapse, rather than peak oil, and 

(iv) If the economy is not to collapse, we need energy sources providing a larger quantity of net energy per capita to offset diminishing returns.   

[2] The world’s energy problem, as commonly understood by researchers today

It is my observation that many researchers believe that we humans are in charge of what happens with future fossil fuel extraction, or with choosing to substitute intermittent renewables for fossil fuels. They generally do not see any problem with “running out” in the near future. If running out were imminent, the problem would likely be announced by spiking prices.

In the predominant view, the amount of future fossil fuels available depends upon the quantity of energy resources that can be extracted with available technology. Thus, a proper estimate of the resources that can be extracted is needed. Oil seems to be in shortest supply based on its reserve estimates and the vast benefits it provides to society. Thus, it is commonly believed that oil production will “peak” and begin to decline first, before coal and natural gas.

In this view, demand is something that we never need to worry about because energy, and especially oil, is a necessity. People will choose energy over other products because they will pay whatever is necessary to have adequate energy supplies. As a result, oil and other energy prices will rise almost endlessly, allowing much more to be extracted. These higher prices will also enable higher cost intermittent electricity to be substituted for today’s fossil fuels.

A huge amount of additional fossil fuels can be extracted, according to those who are primarily concerned about loss of biodiversity and climate change. Those who analyze EROEI tend to believe that falling EROEI will limit the quantity of future fossil fuels extracted to a smaller total extracted amount. Because of this, energy from additional sources, such as intermittent wind and solar, will be required to meet the total energy demand of society.

The focus of EROEI studies is on whether the EROEI of a given proposed substitution is, in some sense, high enough to add energy to the economy. The calculation of EROEI makes no distinction between energy available only through highly complex systems and energy available from less complex systems.

EROEI researchers, or perhaps those who rely on the indications of EROEI researchers, seem to believe that the energy needs of economies are flexible within a very wide range. Thus, an economy can shrink its energy consumption without a particularly dire impact.

[3] The real story seems to be that the adverse outcome we are reaching is collapse, not peak oil. The economy is a self-organizing system powered by energy. This makes it behave in very unexpected ways.

[3a] The economy is tightly connected by the laws of physics.

Energy consumption (dissipation) is necessary for every aspect of the economy. People often understand that making goods and services requires energy dissipation. What they don’t realize is that almost all of today’s jobs require energy dissipation, as well. Without supplemental energy, humans could only gather wild fruits and vegetables and hunt using the simplest of tools. Or, they could attempt simple horticulture by using a stick to dig a place in the ground to plant a seed.

In physics terms, the economy is a dissipative structure, which is a self-organizing structure that grows over time. Other examples of dissipative structures include hurricanes, plants and animals of all types, ecosystems, and star systems. Without a supply of energy to dissipate (that is, food to eat, in the case of humans), these dissipative structures would collapse.

We know that the human body has many different systems, such as a cardiovascular system, digestive system and nervous system. The economy has many different systems, too, and is just as tightly connected. For example, the economy cannot get along without a transportation system any more than a human can get along without a cardiovascular system.

This self-organizing system acts without our direction, just as our brain or circulatory system acts without our direction. In fact, we have very little control over these systems.

The self-organizing economy allows common belief systems to arise that seem to be right but are really based on models with many incorrect assumptions. People desperately need and want a “happily ever after” solution. The strong need for a desirable outcome favors the selection of models that lead to the conclusion that if there is a problem, it is many years away. Conflicting political views seem to be based on different, equally wrong, models of how world leaders can solve the energy predicament that the world is facing.

The real story is that the world’s self-organizing economy will determine for us what is ahead, and there is virtually nothing we can do to change the result. Strangely enough, if we look at the long term pattern, there almost seems to be a guiding hand behind the result. According to Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee in Rare Earth, there have been a huge number of seeming coincidences that have allowed life on Earth to take hold and flourish for four billion years. Perhaps this “luck” will continue.

[3b] As the economy reaches limits, commodities of many types reach diminishing returns simultaneously.

It is indeed true that the economy reaches diminishing returns in oil supply as it reaches limits. Oil is very valuable because it is energy dense and easily transported. The oil that can be extracted, refined, and delivered to needed markets using the least amount of resources (including human labor) tends to be extracted first. It is later that deeper wells are built that are farther from markets. Because of these issues, oil extraction does tend to reach diminishing returns, as more is extracted.

If this were the only aspect of the economy that was experiencing diminishing returns, then the models coming from a peak oil perspective would make sense. We could move away from oil, simply by transferring oil use to appropriately chosen substitutes.

It becomes clear when a person looks at the situation that commodities of all kinds reach diminishing returns. Fresh water reaches diminishing returns. We can add more by using desalination and pumping water to where it is required, but this approach is hugely expensive. As population and industrialization grows, the need for fresh water grows, making diminishing returns for fresh water a real issue.

Minerals of all kinds reach diminishing returns, including uranium, lithium, copper and phosphate rock (used for fertilizer). The reason this occurs is because we tend to extract these minerals faster than they are replaced by the weathering of rocks, including bedrock. In fact, useable topsoil tends to reach diminishing returns because of erosion. Also, with increasing population, the amount of food required keeps increasing, putting further pressure on farmland and making it harder to retain an acceptable level of topsoil.

[3c] Increased complexity leads to diminishing returns as well.

In his book, The Collapse of Complex Societies, Joseph Tainter points out that complexity reaches diminishing returns, just as commodities do.

As an example, it is easy to see that added spending on healthcare reaches diminishing returns. The discovery of antibiotics clearly had a huge impact on healthcare, at relatively little cost. Now, a recent article is entitled, The hunt for antibiotics grows harder as resistance builds. The dollar payback on other drugs tends to fall as well, as solutions to the most common diseases are found, and researchers must turn their attention to diseases affecting only, perhaps, 500 people globally.

Similarly, spending on advanced education reaches diminishing returns. Continuing the medical example above, educating an increasing number of researchers, all looking for new antibiotics, may eventually lead to success in discovering more antibiotics. But the payback with respect to the education of these researchers will not be nearly as great as the payback for educating the early researchers who found the first antibiotics.

[3d] Wages do not rise sufficiently so that all of the higher costs associated with the many types of diminishing returns can be recouped simultaneously.

The healthcare system (at least in the United States) tends to let its higher costs flow through to consumers. We can see this by looking at how much higher the Medical Care Consumer Price Index (CPI) rises compared to the All Items CPI in Figure 2.

Figure 2. Consumer price index for Medical Care versus for All Items, in chart made by the Federal Reserve of St. Louis.

The high (and rapidly rising) cost of advanced education is another cost that is being passed on to consumers–the students and their parents. In this case, loans are used to make the high cost look less problematic.

Of course, if consumers are burdened with higher medical and educational costs, it makes it difficult to afford the higher cost of energy products, as well. With these higher costs, young people tend to live with their parents longer, saving on the energy products needed to have their own homes and vehicles. Needless to say, the lower net income for many people, after healthcare costs and student loan repayments are deducted, acts to reduce the demand for oil and energy products, and thus contributes to the problem of continued low oil prices.

[3e] Added complexity tends to increase wage disparities. The reduced spending by lower income workers tends to hold down fossil fuel prices, similar to the impact identified in Section [3d].

As the economy becomes more complex, companies tend to become larger and more hierarchical. Elite workers (ones with more training or with more supervisory responsibility) earn more than non-elite workers. Globalization adds to this effect, as workers in high wage countries increasingly compete with workers in lower wage countries. Even computer programmers can encounter this difficulty, as programming is increasingly moved to China and India.

Figure 3. Figure by Pew Research Center in Trends in Income and Wealth Inequality, published January 9, 2020. https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/

Individuals with low incomes spend a disproportionately large share of their incomes on commodities because everyone needs to eat approximately 2,000 calories of food per day. In addition, everyone needs some kind of shelter, clothing and basic transportation. All of these types of consumption are commodity intensive. People with very high incomes tend to buy disproportionately more goods and services that are not very resource intensive, such as education for their children at elite universities. They may also use part of their income to buy shares of stock, hoping their value will rise.

With a shift in the distribution of incomes toward those with high earnings, the demand for commodities of all types tends to stagnate or even fall. Fewer people are able to buy new cars, and fewer people can afford vacations involving travel. Thus, as more complexity is added, there tends to be downward pressure on the price of oil and other energy products.

[4] Oil prices have been falling behind those needed by oil producers since 2012.

Figure 4. Figure created by Gail Tverberg using EIA average monthly Brent oil price data, adjusted for inflation using the CPI Index for All Items for Urban Consumers.

Back in February 2014, Steven Kopits gave a presentation at Columbia University explaining the state of the oil industry. I wrote a post describing this presentation called, Beginning of the End? Oil Companies Cut Back on Spending. Oil companies were reporting that prices had been too low for them to make an adequate profit for reinvestment, back as early as 2012. In inflation-adjusted terms, this was when oil prices were about $120 per barrel.

Even Middle Eastern oil exporting countries need surprisingly high oil prices because their economies depend on the profits of oil companies to provide the vast majority of their tax revenue. If oil prices are too low, adequate taxes cannot be collected. Without funds for jobs programs and food subsidies, there are likely to be uprisings by unhappy citizens who cannot maintain an adequate standard of living.

Looking at Figure 4, we see that there has been very little time that Brent oil prices have been above $120 per barrel. Even with all of the recent central bank stimulus and deficit spending by economies around the world, Brent oil prices remain below $60 per barrel.

[5] Interest rates and the amount of debt make a huge difference in oil prices, too.

Based on Figure 4, oil prices are highly irregular. Much of this irregularity seems to be associated with interest rate and debt level changes. In fact, in July 2008, what I would call the debt bubble associated with subprime housing and credit cards collapsed, bringing oil prices down from their peak abruptly. In late 2008, Quantitative Easing (QE) (aimed at bringing interest rates down) was added just prior to an upturn on prices in 2009 and 2010. Prices fell again, when the United States discontinued QE in late 2014.

If we think about it, increased debt makes purchases such as cars, homes and new factories more affordable. In fact, the lower the interest rate, the more affordable these items become. The number of purchases of any of these items can be expected to rise with more debt and lower interest rates. Thus, we would expect oil prices to rise as debt is added and fall as it is taken away. Now, there are many questions: Why haven’t oil prices risen more, with all of the stimulus that has been added? Are we reaching the limits of stimulus? Are interest rates as low as they can go, and the amount of debt outstanding as high as it can go?

[6] The growing complexity of the economy is contributing to the huge amount of debt outstanding.

In a very complex economy, a huge number of durable goods and services are produced. Examples of durable goods would include machines used in factories and pipelines of all kinds. Durable goods would also include vehicles of all types, including both vehicles used for businesses and vehicles used by consumers for their own benefit. As broadly defined here, durable goods would include buildings of all types, including factories, schools, offices and homes. It would also include wind turbines and solar panels.

There would also be durable services produced. For example, a college degree would have lasting benefit, it is hoped. A computer program would have value after it is completed. Thus, a consulting service is able to sell its programs to prospective buyers.

Somehow, there is a need to pay for all of these durable goods. We can see this most easily for the consumer. A loan that allows durable goods to be paid for over their expected life will make these goods more affordable.

Similarly, a manufacturer needs to pay the many workers making all of the durable goods. Their labor is adding value to the finished products, but this value will not be realized until the finished products are put into operation.

Other financing approaches can also be used, including the sale of bonds or shares of stock. The underlying intent is to provide financial time-shifting services. Interest rates associated with these financial time-shifting services are now being manipulated downward by central banks to make these services more affordable. This is part of what keeps stock prices high and commodity prices from falling lower than their current levels.

These loans, bonds and shares of stock are providing a promise of future value. This value will exist only if there are enough fossil fuels and other resources to create physical goods and services to fulfill these promises. Central banks can print money, but they cannot print actual goods and services. If I am right about collapse being ahead, the whole debt system seems certain to collapse. Shares of stock seem certain to lose their value. This is concerning. The end point of all of the added complexity seems to be financial collapse, unless the system can truly add the promised goods and services.

[7] Intermittent electricity fits very poorly into just-in-time supply lines.

A complex economy requires long supply lines. Usually, these supply lines are operated on a just-in-time basis. If one part of a supply line encounters problems, then manufacturing needs to stop. For example, automobile manufacturers in many parts of the world are finding that they need to suspend production because it is impossible to source the necessary semiconductor chips. If electricity is temporarily unavailable, this is another way of disrupting the supply chain.

The standard way to work around temporary breaks in supply chains is to build greater inventory, but this is expensive. Additional inventory needs to be stored and watched over. It likely needs financing, as well.

[8] The world economy today seems to be near collapse.

The self-organizing economy is now pushing the economy in many strange ways that indirectly lead to less energy consumption and eventually collapse. Even prior to COVID-19, the world economy appeared to be reaching growth limits, as indicated in Figure 1, which was published in January 2019. For example, recycling of many renewables was no longer profitable at lower oil prices after 2014. This led China to discontinue most of its recycling efforts, effective January 1, 2018, even though this change resulted in the loss of jobs. China’s car sales fell in 2018, 2019, and 2020, a strange pattern for a supposedly rapidly growing country.

The response of world leaders to COVID-19 has pushed the world economy further in the direction of contraction. Businesses that were already weak are the ones having the most difficulty in being able to operate profitably.

Furthermore, debt problems are growing around the world. For example, it is unclear whether the world will require as many shopping malls or office buildings in the future. A person would logically expect the value of the unneeded buildings to drop, reducing the value of many of these properties below their outstanding debt level.

When these issues are combined, it looks likely that the world economy may not be far from collapse, which is one of my contentions from Section [1]. It also looks like my other contentions from Section [1] are true:

(i) Low oil prices rather than high are to be expected as the economy reaches limits,

(ii) Most fossil fuel reserves will be left in the ground because of low prices, and

(iv) If the economy is not to collapse, we need energy sources providing a larger quantity of net energy per capita to offset diminishing returns. 

Regarding (iv), the available energy supply from wind and solar (net or otherwise) is tiny relative to the total energy required to operate the world economy. This issue, alone, would disqualify a Great Reset using wind and solar from truly being a solution for today’s problems. Instead, plans for a Great Reset tend to act as a temporary cover-up for collapse.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,331 Responses to Where Energy Modeling Goes Wrong

  1. Harry McGibbs says:

    ‘Green bubble’ warnings grow as money pours into renewable stocks:

    ““I think we’re 100 per cent in a green bubble,” said Gordon Johnson, chief executive of GLJ Research. “Pretty much every solar company I cover, their numbers got worse and the stock, like, tripled . . . This is not normal.””


  2. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Russia said it found the world’s first cases of H5N8 avian influenza in humans though the virus isn’t yet spreading between people.”


  3. Yoshua says:

    A polar shift, collapse of the earth’s magnetic field and the ice age killed off the Neanderthals?

    It’s coming again?


    • Bei Dawei says:

      Well sure, eventually.

    • According to the article:

      “Researchers found that the reversal led to “pronounced climate change.” Their modeling showed that ice sheet and glacier growth in North America and shifts in major wind belts and tropical storm systems could be traced back to the period of the magnetic pole switch, which scientists named the “Adams Event.””

      The Adams Event may have wiped out the Neanderthals. It lasted 800 years. The article ends with saying:

      “”A magnetic pole reversal or extreme change in Sun activity would be unprecedented climate change accelerants. We urgently need to get carbon emissions down before such a random event happens again,” he added.”

      Pole reversal seems to be a slow process. Fixing climate change to offset this event seems like a strange goal.

  4. Yoshua says:

    The guy who invented the PCR test is saying that a talking racoon told him how to construct one.

    The phenomenon is everywhere. How much of our modern scientific society has been guided by the phenomenon? And for what purpose?

    • More data if you please. I like imagining a world where Kary Mullis, Nobel laureate in Chemistry, did not die from pneumonia just before Qvidonenine appeared in Sept 2019.

      • JMS says:

        Everything suggests that Mullis was dispatched before the Covid Event. He was a figure too authoritative an loud and independent and annoying for the big pharma. He would surely make a big fuss about using PCR tests to detect sarscov2, and that couldn’t be allowed. No way.

        Of course he may also have died without a little help, but when an event is too convenient for the big sharks, I have a hard time believing it was a natural one, or a mere coincidence.

  5. German Study: Laboratory Accident Most Likely Cause of Coronavirus Pandemic


    And another one published here some time ago:

    A Bayesian analysis concludes beyond a reasonable doubt that SARS-CoV-2 is not a natural zoonosis but instead is laboratory derived


    • A few interesting points, I don’t remember running across recently:

      1. The 1977 “Russian Flu” seems to have been caused by the re-release of an H1N1 strain that had caused an earlier epidemic. The new virus is virtual identical to a previous virus. (2015 analysis – https://mbio.asm.org/content/6/4/e01013-15 )

      2. There is substantial reason to believe that the 2009 “Swine Flu” was lab made. It is not clear how. It could have involved “laboratory errors involving the sharing of virus isolates and cultured cells, or perhaps vaccine production.” Some of the genes seem to be from pig viruses from North America, others from Asian avian-like viruses.

      3. Unlike previous coronavirus-related epidemics such as SARS and MERS, to date, well over a year after the outbreak of the current pandemic, no intermediate host animal has been identified that could have facilitated the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 pathogens from bats to humans.

    • Minority Of One says:

      The above Swiss Policy Research article has links to this one, equally interesting:

      Covid-19 Virus Origin: The Mojiang Miners

      Originally published July 2020 updated Feb. 2021.

      The two authors suspect that whilst srs-cov-2 came from the Wuhan lab, the original source, whether upgraded with gain-of-function capabilities or not, came from infected minors in an incident in 2012.

      “… It has been known since May (to some) that RaTG13, previously known as BtCoV/4991, was found in bat feces in a mineshaft near Mojiang in southwest China, after six miners fell ill with Covid19-like pneumonia and three of them eventually died.

      The WIV itself didn’t disclose this link, however. On the contrary, in a March 2020 interview the famous WIV “bat woman” Shi Zhengli falsely claimed “a fungus” had caused the miners’ illness.

      …Archive entries show that the origin of RaTG13 in a Chinese database was changed from “lung fluid” (from the miners) to “bat feces” in July 2020 without any explanation… ”

      The updates from this month also contain some interesting nuggets of info:

      – Researcher Gilles Demaneuf described in detail three SARS-1 lab escapes from Chinese and Taiwanese P3 and P4 high-security labs. Lab escapes happened in other countries, too.
      – A FOIA request revealed that early scientific letters claiming that a lab origin of SARS-2 was “impossible” were in fact coordinated behind the scenes by EHA president Peter Daszak [this really ought to be headline news, but of course it isn’t]

  6. Jarle says:

    Meanwhile in Norway: Not a single death from Scam-19 recorded for more than a week. What’s going on, have the majority of those filling out death certificates finally come to their senses?

  7. Questioner says:

    My latest thinking is that it would be wise to have at least one of the vaccines to protect oneself against the coming mutation(s) which might be released upon certain sections of the population. Maybe have all the vaccinations to protect oneselves In case of war, biological tech, whatever. Maybe have at least what the military is having.

    • Whether you should take vaccines depends on the state of your health. Also, “which” vaccine to take.

      If you are in very poor shape physically, and you don’t think that your body could possibly handle any version of the virus, then perhaps having the immunization makes sense. Most likely, you would be someone living in a nursing home or some other institution for those in poor health. Of course, there would be some chance of dying from the vaccine, but it likely would be less than the risk than dying directly from the virus. In one of these institutions, you are at a high risk of catching such a virus because of the many workers coming in and out. You wouldn’t need to sit around and worry.

      If you are in good health, I would be more cautious about the immunizations. If you want a vaccine, opt for one of the non-mRNA vaccines. (In other words, not the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines.) These vaccines are not available in the US yet. They supposedly do not work as well as the mRNA vaccines.

      The problem with the mRNA vaccines is that they seem to work a little too well. They have an on switch, but no “off switch.” Animal studies of a similar attempt at vaccines suggest that, over time (several months), they may cause pus sacs in your lungs. They also seem likely to damage your Type 2 macrophages. When your body is invaded by bacteria, Type 1 macrophages causes the initial inflammation. Type 2 does the clean-up work, including the inflammation. Without the Type 2 macrophages, your body would seem to be in a constant state of inflammation (like an autoimmune disease, I would think).

      Most people vastly over-estimate their risk of death from COVID-19. Furthermore, you likely can reduce your risk of death by getting your vitamin D level up to a sufficient level (perhaps 30 ng/ml but perhaps higher, typically using supplements of 2,000 I. U.s per day), using supplements. Exercise and a good diet are helpful too.

      As time goes on, there are more and more treatments for COVID-19 symptoms as well. Some of these are inexpensive, but are not be explored by researchers because the medical community cannot make money off of them. The latest one mentioned as a possibility is L-Lysine, used widely on animals for many years. It is available over the counter, cheaply, as a supplement for humans in the US.


      • All is Dust says:

        Hi Gail,

        Please can you expand on your point about mRNA vaccines damaging type 2 macrophages? And any sources you have? I’m keen to dig deeper.


  8. Government Consigned Israeli Population to be Human Subjects in a Massive Experiment

    • “Under the contract, Real World Epidemiological EvidenceCollaboration Agreement,[vii] the government signed a commitment to vaccinate the entire seven million adult population [with Pfixer’s mRNA vaccine] and to provide weekly data on its citizens during a 24-month surveillance follow-up study. The government disregarded potentially serious medical risks from the experimental vaccine and risks to privacy.”


  10. One-Third of Deaths Reported to CDC After COVID Vaccines Occurred Within 48 Hours of Vaccination

    The numbers reflect the latest data available as of Feb. 12 from the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System website. Of the 929 reported deaths, about one-third occurred within 48 hours.

    According to new data released today, as of Feb. 12, 15,923 adverse reactions to COVID vaccines, including 929 deaths, have been reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) since Dec. 14, 2020.

    VAERS is the primary mechanism in the U.S. for reporting adverse vaccine reactions. Reports submitted to VAERS require further investigation before a determination can be made as to whether the reported adverse event was directly or indirectly caused by the vaccine.

  11. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/18/texas-power-outages-ercot/

    Texas was “seconds and minutes” away from catastrophic monthslong blackouts, officials say

    Officials with the Electric Reliability Council of Texas said that grid operators implemented blackouts to avoid a catastrophic failure that could have left Texans in the dark for months

    The quick decision that grid operators made in the early hours of Monday morning to begin what was intended to be rolling blackouts — but lasted days for millions of Texans — occurred because operators were seeing warning signs that massive amounts of energy supply was dropping off the grid. . . .

    The worst case scenario: Demand for power outstrips the supply of power generation available on the grid, causing equipment to catch fire, substations to blow and power lines to go down.

    If the grid had gone totally offline, the physical damage to power infrastructure from overwhelming the grid could have taken months to repair, said Bernadette Johnson, senior vice president of power and renewables at Enverus, an oil and gas software and information company headquartered in Austin.

    Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state’s power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say

    In 2011, Texas faced a very similar storm that froze natural gas wells and affected coal plants and wind turbines, leading to power outages across the state.

    This is a link to an article I wrote back on February 10, 2011, for TheOilDrum.com. It is called Texas Electricity Blackouts Enabled by Feedback Loops; Reliance on Competition

    Many days after the winter storm hit Texas, outages are still continuing in parts of Texas. We don’t have all the answers yet, but let me tell you what I have pieced together about what has happened. One of the issues is direct and indirect feedbacks, as outlined in the graphic below, and described further in this post.


    Where does this all lead? It seems to me that the United States is headed for more electrical blackouts, as we try to press our grid system to do more and more (for example, charge autos at night) and add additional unconnected parts (such as wind turbines) to the system. States that use a competitive pricing approach, such as Texas and the other states in green on Figure 2, are especially at risk because of the financial incentives of individual units to cut corners, and the lack of overall co-ordination, except through regulators. The limits under the laws of physics can be expected to become more and more apparent.

  12. Fast Eddy says:

    Here’s a great way to increase the number of covid infections!

    19,000 Schoolchildren Will Needlessly Self-Isolate Every Week Under Government Mass Testing Scheme


    • Rodster says:

      Herd immunity is the answer but the El.ders don’t want that to happen. They need to keep the Covid farce going as long as they can. It’s good for their agenda. Besides CV19 is nowhere as bad as they i.e. the El.ders and MSM have made it out to be.

    • JMS says:

      The most ironic about this scaredemic is how health and political authorities managed to impose deepply anti-health measures (destrying any trace of “democracy” along the way) under a pretext of concern for our health. Smart machiavellianism in action!

      It’s almost hilarious that sheople are confronted with this blatant contradiction every day in news and in their own lifes and still remain convinced that MSM is credible and that the government of doctors is concerned with their miserable kind.

      2020 brought us the definitive proof (after the tests in USSR and nazigermany) that the masses are infinitely moldable, that is easy to steer the opinion of some 80-90% of any given population, making them believe even the most stupid, outrageous and improbable stories.

      • Minority Of One says:

        History repeats itself, for good reason. The general population delude themselves that they are well educated, when in fact they are incapable of learning lessons from the past, and prone to believe whatever propaganda the current regime throws at them. Thus while we in the UK are full of contempt for those who lived in and fought for Nazi Germany, we are making exactly the same mistakes as those very people. The sheople here in general think the BBC is great (it dominates UK news broadcasting), and believe everything that comes out of that institution.

        • Xabier says:

          Look at the British army now, with intelligence officers (I know, so amusing a concept) busy collecting information on ‘Anti-Vax ‘groups, conducting offline ‘malinformation’ campaigns against vaccines and the government, which threaten the UK’s ‘health security’.

          First attach the pejorative label.

          Next the arrests, and then the killings -always the same pattern.

          There will always be low-level dolts to do this: local bureaucrats, obedient soldiers, police -and, of course, doctors and nurses and ‘carers’.

          • Minority Of One says:

            I have been following the Julian Assange story for a few years now. Craig Murray attended his trial last year (for extradition to the USA) and posted details from every day of the trail. The whole thing was a farce, worthy of NaziGermany or StalinistRussia.

            I believe Assange was and is the first and only person to receive a multi-month jail sentence for skipping bail. Not only that, but he was put in solitary confinement in the UK’s highest security prison, Belmarsh, usually reserved for terrorists and the like. Once his 6 months or so sentence was completed, they just kept him there (almost 2 years now).

            The judge back beginning of Jan. 2021 decided Assange could not be extradited to the USA for health reasons (but he was otherwise guilty), then proceeded to keep him in solitary in Belmarsh until the appeal process is completed, potentially years away. It is generally accepted within the community on Craig Murray’s blog that the PTB hope Assange will die in Belmarsh, from ill-health.

            And of course, silence from the MSM.

            The point being, of course, if the authorities can get away with doing this to Assange, they will feel confident about repeating it, to the extent it will become the norm.

        • JMS says:

          I think it’s even arguable if high levels of education can be some kind of barrier against credulity. We must not forget that the German population in the 1930s was probably the most scientifically educated in the world, belonging to a cultural tradition that was one of the richest in Europe, and yet the Nazis only needed to press certain emotional buttons to drag behind them 65 M simpletons. Apparently, exposure to minds as brilliant as Goethe, Schopenhauer or Nietzsche does not offer great protection against the most basic propaganda virus.

          One thing this plandemic crisis showed us was that, in general, the most educated people are precisely those who most eagerly swallow the current PR campaign, because they have been taught to blindly respect all the information that is labeled as “scientific”.

          An empirical indicator of this relationship between credulity and social / cultural status could be the percentage of people who drive with a mask on or wear it on deserted streets. Where I live it is much more common to see someone from the middle class doing it than someone from the working classes. It seems that the more expensive the car or the shoes, the more likely that their owners are gullible dimwits. So much for education…

    • If you test enough, you will get some false positives. I am presuming this test actually finds the UK variant of COVID-19.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Actually not some … if I recall from the chart down the page… it’s into the hundreds of thousands.

  13. A Sudden Loss of Faith in Tether Would Pose Risk to Bitcoin, JPMorgan Says

    According to analysts at JPMorgan, the bitcoin market could face severe liquidity shock if traders were to lose faith in tether (USDT) – a stablecoin widely used to fund cryptocurrency purchases.

    “If any issues arise that could affect the willingness or ability of both domestic and foreign investors to use USDT, the most likely result would be a severe liquidity shock to the broader cryptocurrency market, which could be amplified by its disproportionate impact on HFT [high-frequency trading]-style market makers which dominate the flow,” analysts at JPMorgan mentioned in an 86-page report published Thursday.

    • So perhaps bitcoin isn’t a good replacement for US currency.

      • MM says:

        No, it is not. The BTC ledger is 329.94 GB in size and it has not even been used widely for purchases of chewing gums or mars bars.

        Well I know that there exist some “offlie services” so that you only hold a small temporary snapshot on your phone for example. But to be really independent, you will need the full ledger. (for examnple if you swap BTC via Bluetooth without internet)
        And without internet in the long run all ledgers will “fork” indefinitely and the functioning of the system wil deteriorate.

        • rufustiresias999 says:

          I think the computation amount needed to add a new transaction to the ledger is exponential to the ledger size. So is the energy needed. It looks like the ledger grows linearly fo now. Imagine the use of bitcoin spreads exponentially, the energy needed would grow as the square of an exponential. Well the total amount of bitcoins you can encrypt on the ledger is mathematically fixed. Yet another limit to growth!

  14. jj says:

    Whoops bugaboo!
    Reload V1.0.




      • Bei Dawei says:

        Well that just screams “quality information,” doesn’t it?

        • jj says:

          The title of that video is the near universal sentiment of those that have experienced a less than favorable outcome of any medical procedure or treatment. Its a hard think to look at. That poor womans condition is a hard thing to look at. The doctors themselves have a hard time with it. They didnt become doctors to cripple people.

          Full disclosure of risk of treatments has been a issue in the medical profession for some time. It has been cloaked with the ” you couldn’t possibly understand” attitude that doctors have adopted.

          I see this as a balance. The patient does not have the doctors knowledge. This means some blind faith is involved. The degree of that faith is absolutely a right IMO. I would actually put that right above all others.

          What the human in that video is expressing is not a condemnation of the MRNA actor. That would be hard as she is a nurse herself. She is expressing that the risks of the vaccine were not communicated to her. This is common. We respect doctors and medical knowledge. When a grievous injury occurs because of a treatment a conscious person doesn’t just turn on a dime and allow hate in their heart.

          I would ask how the risks could possibly have been communicated to her. Risks are understood specifically by clinical trials. Clinical trials are by definition the manner in which a physician differentiates between experimentation and informed consent. Since the standard clinical trials have been bypassed and even the limited information from them is not being allowed to being open to peer review any administering of the MRNA actor is by definition experimentation and not informed consent.
          That this is a totally new type of actor upon the human population alone would negate the possibility of informed consent in this matter.

          I suspect furthering this abandonment of the primary tenant of moral and ethical medical treatment is the real reason behind other denials of choice in lifestyles and politics. It would seem that choices that have seemed a self evident right have come into question if not outright denial of self evident rights. I see the other examples of forced acceptance of certain beliefs as only teaching examples leading to a incredible primary violation. You dont own your body. This is by definition slavery. Slavery is a despicable practice contrary to every principle of a free society. This is widely understood intuitively. People understand that a vaccine mandate would constitute a violation of a primary right. IMO the others loss of rights we have seen is a conditioning mechanism with the goal of this primary violation. It wont fly. People know whats in their hearts.

    • Rodster says:

      Wow and if that was posted on YouTube, it would have been taken down, i.e. censored. No thanks to that chemical cocktail they call the Covid vaccine. I’ll take my chances with the other 99.80% who have survived.

      • nikoB says:

        actually it is on YT

        • Rodster says:

          I’m wondering how long Google will allow that video on YT?

        • Bobby says:

          Sorry (don’t be offended) It seems this video may in fact be fake. (Explains why it’s still up on YT perhaps) If she ( Kirsty?) was having true tremors, they would affect peripheral extremities, hands, fingers, feet etc and be completely involuntary. (Much more of the human motor cortex is involved with hand and feet, fine motor movements. This lady seems to be making voluntary movements ( with some ) of her proximal joints, Hips, shoulders knees and elbows, yet is able (apparently) to weight bear on her left lower extremity. Sorry guys, got a feeling it’s click bate.
          I could be wrong, I studied occupational therapy many years ago, we were trained to pick up such behaviour, would be interested to see her hand function if she were at rest, arm supported by something, then it might be believable.
          Hope not to have offended anyone

          • MM says:

            One of the main issues of shock therapy IS to shock and stirr confusion.

            This video HAS been deleted:
            Title was:

            “Uhldingen, 26.1.2021; Übergabe des offenen Briefes betroffener Bürger an den Bürgermeister Männle – YouTube”

            It showed a group of “ordinary” citizens visiting the mayor of Uhldingen in Germany and handing over a letter requesting an investigation why 8 people died in a local home for the elderly shortly after “vaccination”.

            So the democratic process of questioning the authorities really infers youtubes “interests”.
            Well done!

  15. Some people actually believe going outside for fresh air is bad for you…this is seriously next level crazy

    • Strange! Looks like UK doings. I go outside every day.

    • Azure Kingfisher says:

      From “A report on an epidemic of influenza in the city of Chicago in the fall of 1918,” by John Dill Robertson, Department of Health, City of Chicago:

      Influenza Dont’s

      Don’t live in the dark.

      Don’t shut the sunshine out of your home.

      Don’t exclude the fresh air.

      Don’t fail to keep clean.

      Don’t go into crowded places.

      Don’t associate with people who sneeze and cough in your presence.

      Don’t use common towels.

      Don’t fail to practice what you preach.

      Don’t overtax your physical powers.
      Cut out evening entertainments.
      Be in bed by ten o’clock.
      Get nine hours sleep.

      Don’t fail to sleep with every window in your bedroom open.

      Don’t fail to call your doctor for yourself or any member of your family at the first sign of illness. Better be safe than sorry.

      Don’t allow your home to become damp, chilly or uncomfortable.
      See to it that it is kept at a temperature of at least 68 to 70 degrees all the time.

      Don’t fail, if possible, to walk to your work in the morning and to your home at night. The open air exercise will be of decided benefit.


    • Minority Of One says:

      A few weeks ago, two women were fined for just going for a walk (UK):

      Covid: Women fined for going for a walk receive police apology

      If anything, I think this story will have encouraged people to get out and about.

    • This woman is saying that the research underlying the belief that these variants spread more easily is shaky. Whether or not it is, we know that to some extent, the new viruses are replacing the old versions in some parts of the world. This, by itself, is an issue.

      I think that the issue of the PCR test as not working well has been shown in “real life” as well.

      The media does rely an awfully lot of models. But it is not clear to what extent these model findings are wrong. We are going to need to watch case data and death rates for the countries primarily involved, it seems like. Or find better ways to treat all of these illnesses, so deaths are not such a problem.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        3. Patients with ‘new variant Covid’ are sicker than previously

        The February 12th update to the ICNARC report (national ICU audit) shows some interesting figures. Overall age of ICU patients has fallen slightly when comparisons are made between the cohort of patients admitted Sept 1st – Nov 30th and patients admitted after December 1st. The mean age of the first group was 61.1 years and of the second 58.8.

        Although there was a slight fall in ICU age, this could be an artefact – during periods of high intensity, the admission criteria for ICU do change. For example, ICU patient ages are always skewed to the younger side as older and sicker patients do not meet the criteria for admission to critical care. NHS managers are always very cautious about acknowledging ‘ceiling of care’ criteria in public, but it’s the type of decision that clinical doctors make every day – not just during pandemics. As an example, the over-80 age group account for 25% of total hospital inpatients, but only 5% of ICU patients. Over-80s also account for 60% of Covid deaths.

        The ICNARC report also finds that there is evidence that patients admitted to ICU since December 1st are sicker in terms of blood oxygen levels than earlier in the year. We can measure ‘sickness’ in a variety of ways – ICNARC use a ratio called PaO2 / FIO2 – which compares the blood oxygen level of a patient against the percentage of oxygen given to that patient by face mask or intubation. In a nutshell, the lower this number, the worse the lungs are at passing oxygen from the inhaled air into the blood stream. The latest audit shows that there are more patients in ICU with lower PaO2 / FIO2 than previously and that this change is most marked in London and the South East. The numbers of patients involved are quite small in the overall context, but the change is measurable and significant.

        Although this is a genuine difference in the data, it is quite possibly a consequence of selection bias in the ICU patient cohort rather than a change in disease severity. Graph 7 shows that the proportion of patients admitted to ICU in January was a smaller percentage of the total (12%) than in the spring peak (17%). Under these circumstances it is possible that while the ICU doctors can detect a change to more serious disease, when the overall hospital patients are considered, there is no actual difference.

        The survival curves continue to show a survival advantage of recent patients compared to earlier in the pandemic – this advantage has narrowed in recent months, most probably attributable to the stress of demand and expansion of ICU capacity. But more patients are still surviving than in the spring.

        Another interesting finding is that pregnancy or recent pregnancy may be associated with severe Covid. Again, the numbers are small, but in January just over 100 pregnant or recently pregnant patients were admitted to English ICUs with acute Covid compared to about 40 in April.

        So, in summary, there does not appear to be an overall change in the age of Covid patients admitted to hospitals, or a change in the age stratified deaths, but among the very sickest patients there is some signal of a higher proportion of more severe illness, which may be a genuine change or reflect selection bias in the ICU figures.


  16. Russia to present new concept of national digital currency – Central Bank

    After discussing the launch of the digital ruble with local banks, the country’s financial watchdog says it will present a more detailed concept for the national digital currency by summer.

    The head of the Central Bank of Russia, Elvira Nabiullina, said on Thursday that the regulator received detailed feedback from the banking community in its October report, in which the regulator introduced the digital ruble as a possible new form of national currency. According to the official, most lenders support a two-level model of the digital ruble, which allows banks to open wallets for their clients on the central bank’s platform and conduct operations.

  17. HerbHere says:

    Proof of Gail’s thesis, real time case study of collapsing, cascading failures of complex systems. Mike Adam’s of http://www.naturalnews.com, February 18, 2021 Status Update for Central Texas, “Texageddon”. It appear to be happening point-by-point, e.g.” [7] Intermittent electricity fits very poorly into just-in-time supply lines.”

    • Perhaps you could provide a direct link to the article of interest.

      I agree with your general premise, however. The whole electricity system in Texas has been set up to run on a least cost basis, with subsidies for wind and solar (including going first) being part of the problem. There is not even any system set up to pay fossil fuel and nuclear providers for providing base load, when required, as is set up in most states with intermittent electricity (known as a “capacity market”). The system has been running on a least cost basis, with no attempt to provide resilience. It shouldn’t be surprising it has problems in cold weather.

      • Duncan Idaho says:

        If you think Senator Ted Cruz and his lovely family didn’t deserve a nice warm vacation to Cancun while their fellow Texans were freezing to death mostly due to the kind of energy policies in Texas that were put in place to make their current disaster inevitable, then you’d a radical leftist, and probably a “hippie,” too.

        • Bei Dawei says:

          He’s a senator. Running Texas isn’t really his job–that’s what the governor is for. Oh sure, flying off to Cancun was politically inept of him, but it’s all about the visuals.What practical help can Cruz be during this disaster?

          • Ed says:

            Cruz can expedite federal government aid. FEMA emergency generators for example. That is his job. Unless the uniparty has a plan that includes smashing Texas then he knows it is a waste of his time and bad to expose the kill of despicables.

      • HerbHere says:


        Per your request, Mike Adams’ Austin Texas Prepper and commentator, eyewitness account. Lines up point by point.

  18. Malcopian says:

    Fires have always been a part of our natural world. But they’re moving to new ecosystems previously untouched by fire – and this is concerning scientists.


    • Harry McGibbs says:

      Fires in the UK in February are not unheard of but we had a bizarre situation last week where the eastern half of the country was bitterly cold and buried in snow, whilst substantial fires burned in Devon, Cornwall, Cumbria and western parts of Scotland, including the Hebrides (although not on Islay, thankfully):

      “Firefighters worked through the night to tackle a large wildfire in the Western Isles after warning of an “extreme risk” of similar fires.”


    • We have a very limited time horizon for looking at fires. A hundred years is not very long. We have been leaving bush that easily catches fire under electricity transmission lines that have been poorly maintained. Some US records suggest fires were more prevalent, back in the 1930s.

      For many ecosystems, fire is part of the natural cycle. Ecosystems are dissipative structures. They don’t last forever, in one form. Some species of trees (including ones in California and Australia) require fire for reproduction. When one ecosystem collapses, the best adapted species tend to stick around, and other species that are reasonably adapted tend to be added.

      • Robert Firth says:

        Gail, I remember driving across the Golden Gate Bridge to Matin County, to see the redwoods. And a lot of rather unafraid Western chipmunks. The trees have a thick coating of bark, as a protection against fire. But, seemingly paradoxically, they need regular fires to burn away enough of that coating to allow them to reproduce.

        I’m not a fan of organised religion, but sitting beneath one of those trees, I could not but remember: “O Lord how manifold are Thy works; in wisdom hast Thou made them all.” (Ps civ:24).

        • Bei Dawei says:

          “‘Chop down the tree and lop off its branches, strip off its leaves and scatter its fruit. Let the beasts flee from under it and the birds from its branches.” (Daniel 4:14)

        • Duncan Idaho says:

          Matin County, to see the redwoods”

          It is actually Marin

          I used to live there.

    • Robert Firth says:

      ” … according to a new analysis of 20 years of data by the Guardian.” A nice touch of comedy for a quiet evening.

      If you read the whole thing, you discover that there is no more fire than usual. But places that used not to burn are burning, which is bad, and places that used to burn are no longer burning, which also is bad. And, of course, it is all our fault. The swamp creatures of gutter journalism strike again.

    • What this story seems to be saying is that the UK variant of the disease is not identified by the PCR test that is normally done. Trying to adjust the PCR test seems to make the problem worse, not better.

      As a result the number of people testing positive for COVID-19 is dropping in UK. Of course, there are lots of people with the variant that the test isn’t picking up.

      If I remember correctly, the UK variant was first discovered when people came in with symptoms, and tested positive with the quick tests, but negative with the PCR tests. It was only after looking more closely that they figured out that the precision of the PCR tests was working against them in finding variants.

  19. Ed says:

    I have to comment on the absurdity of nuclear power plants shutting down due t lack of heat. The one thing nuclear power plants produce in abundance is waste heat. Less than half of the heat from the nuclear reaction is converted to electricity the rest is dumped into the air or a near by body of water. Failing to keep components warm due to lack of enclosure and lack of heating fixtures is just sad.

    • Robert Firth says:

      Ed, on balance I agree with you, but it is not quite that easy. In fact, on;y about 1/3 of the energy is converted into electricity on site, and of course a good deal of that is lost in transmission. But to elaborate.

      The heat is generated in the reactor core. It is harvested by water at high temperature and under high pressure. That is the “primary” circuit. But that water is radioactive, mostly due to dissolved fission byproducts, and must remain within the core enclosure. So the heat is taken away by a heat exchanger, that movers the heat to the “secondary” circuit. which lives mostly outside the core and is a closed system,turning its water into steam that then drives the generator.

      The steam is condensed back into water by a third circuit, an open one, that extracts the heat and releases it into a river or the atmosphere. If you draw a diagram, you’ll see that bleeding heat form any of these circuits onto the local environment is not easy. But yes, it certainly should have been done.

      Diagram: https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://www.world-nuclear.org/uploadedImages/org/info/tmi-2(1).gif&imgrefurl=https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/safety-and-security/safety-of-plants/three-mile-island-accident.aspx&h=404&w=700&tbnid=g7q1e9SaRBenTM&q=three+mile+island+diagram&tbnh=81&tbnw=140&usg=AI4_-kTk8QZTplEWVD3SvYmlhPH8rDNgQA&vet=1&docid=l7t-PVEbRrH_LM&hl=mt&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjHuNPDlvbuAhVQuVkKHRrUA40Q9QEwAHoECAIQBA#spf=1613745566102

  20. Harry McGibbs says:

    “We were ‘dangerously close’ to collapse of ‘entire system,’ says Interactive Brokers founder ahead of GameStop hearing…

    “Clearinghouses play a crucial role in markets from equities to derivatives. They stand between the parties to a trade to guarantee payment if either reneges. That crucial piece of financial-market plumbing was at the center of the matter, Peterffy said.”


  21. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Inflationary pressures and currency weakness could force central banks in some key African economies to tighten monetary policy, even as the slow rollout of coronavirus vaccines and new mutations of the disease pose risks to economic growth.

    “Mozambique and Zambia became the first two countries in the world to raise their benchmark interest rates this year, and Zimbabwe did the same on Thursday. Three of sub-Saharan Africa’s biggest economies — Nigeria, South Africa and Angola — could follow suit.”


  22. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Eurozone tries to patch up its broken debt rules:

    “The bloc is under intense pressure to adopt a more flexible set of fiscal guidelines as Covid borrowing sends debt soaring.”


  23. Harry McGibbs says:

    “The world has never been more indebted after a year of battling Covid-19. And there’s even more borrowing ahead.

    “Governments, companies and households raised $24 trillion last year to offset the pandemic’s economic toll, bringing the global debt total to an all-time high of $281 trillion by the end of 2020, or more than 355% of global GDP, according to the Institute of International Finance. They may have little choice but to keep borrowing in 2021, said Washington-based director of sustainability research Emre Tiftik and economist Khadija Mahmood.”


    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “… many governments entered the pandemic with higher government – or sovereign – debt. And they had to print money all over again in the first big test since GFC.”


    • Bloomberg has a chart giving quarter by quarter world debt back to 2013 -Q1. Thanks!

    • Robert Firth says:

      “They may have little choice but to keep borrowing in 2021, said Washington-based director of sustainability research Emre Tiftik and economist Khadija Mahmood.”

      From whom are the borrowing? Martians? Grey lizards from the fourth planet of Epsilon Eridani? And if there is no counterparty, where is the money coming from? And how can two experts in “sustainability research” be so abysmally stupid?

  24. Tim Groves says:

    This is, I think, very big news, and may even be life-saving to some people who can’t get their hands on hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.

    Supplement evangelist Bill Sardi reports that:

    “A natural cure for COVID-19 that is widely available and affordable for even the poorest of people on the planet has been confirmed by a team of virologists who have spent a lifetime studying the underlying causes of viral infections.

    “Backed by decades of research and safety data for herpes-family viruses, U.S.-based researchers at Bio-Virus Research Inc, Reno, Nevada, report on the successful treatment of the first 30 frontline doctors and nurses and a thousand-plus patients given the amino acid lysine to prevent and even abolish COVID-19 coronavirus infections at a clinic in the Dominican Republic. Astonishingly, symptoms of COVID-19 are reported to have dissipated within hours of this natural treatment.

    The medical staff at a clinic in the Dominican Republic was coming down with two cases of coronavirus per month before lysine therapy was instituted. The virologists, Drs. Christopher Kagan, Bo Karlicki and Alexander Chaihorsky, strongly suggested the front-line healthcare workers embark on a daily regimen of lysine therapy due to daily exposure to the virus. Their ground-breaking report is published online at ResearchGate.net.”

    I am familiar with lysine as it is widely recommended for easing the symptoms of viral respiratory illnesses in cats. You can get it in tablet or capsules, but I have large 1 lb. jar of L-Lysine pure powder that cost only a few US dollars. It says on the label that “L-Lysine is essential for the production of all proteins in the body and is required for the maintenance of the structural proteins collagen and elastin, which form all connective tissue such as skin, tendon, and bone. L-Lysine is also a precursor to L-Carnitine, which is needed for fat metabolism and energy production. In addition, L-Lysine may help to support a healthy immune system and proper cardiovascular function.” To which now we may cautiously add that it helps get rid of those pesky coronaviruses.

    Sardi also adds that: “Supplemental lysine also has other health benefits. Lysine increases absorption of calcium, relieves bouts of anxiety, promotes wound healing, and is helpful for other conditions. Cholesterol is deposited in binding sites within coronary arteries. When lysine (and vitamin C) occupy those binding sites, cholesterol is not deposited in arteries.”

    Worth a bit more research, I would have thought. And I am going to be spooning this into my orange juice at the first sign of a sniffle from now on.


    • Jarle says:

      Respiratory viruses are only dangerous to people already on deaths doorstep, what’s the point of lifesaving medicines?

      • Tim Groves says:

        Good question. Short answer: The older you become, the closer you get to death’s door, and even if you are still some way off along the garden path, a cold or a bout of the flu will tend to hit the oldies and crinklies harder and longer, giving them an increased chance of developing pneumonia—the old man’s friend.

        But basically, at any age, any help you can get from substances that slow down or interfere with viral replication is going to lessen your symptoms and help you get over the infection faster.

        I know that being at death’s door is not most people’s idea of a career goal, but a surprisingly large army of people get there and manage to hang around on the doorstep or inside the front gate for years. These are the very people that COVID-19 is waiting to dispatch and they are also the same people that the new vaccines affect most strongly.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I suspect that with the vast majority of dying people who died with (but not from) covid… that if you put them into a hot sauna and tossed some cold water on them … that would kill them

          Look at this old bag of meat…. could she take the heat of a sauna???? And she actually looks a lot healthier than most people who are dying….

          Boo hoo… how touching … personally I’d be happy to shove all these geriatrics off a cliff… to clear out the ICUs… I’d do it for free…


          And look at this geezer … christ … surely he’d be happy to be put out of his misery … if it was me I’d beg to be wheeled out back and shot … he probably shits and pisses his pants and stink of stale urine… nobody should be made to have to clean up after these people…

          Seriously – we are locking down the world and causing epic misery for young healthy people … so this clown can shit and piss in his pants another few weeks????? Jeeez….


          • Ed says:

            CV19 is a benefit to society. I for one do not want to linger in a care home for years of boredom. Send the CV19 to all care homes every three months. It is a feature not a bug.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Perhaps we can organize some Covid (flu) infected blankets for our good friends in the homes for the aged… and deliver them from their urine and faeces polluted hell….

            • Ed says:

              YES! Blankets of mercy is the charity version. And we can have a store on Amazon for these elders who have money ad want one right now. We can have a selection CV19, Ebola, Dengue, etc…

    • All is Dust says:

      SARS-CoV-2 Managing the Interface

      Here’s a thought, given that we are dealing with an RNA virus which mutates faster than vaccines can be produced to counter it, are vaccines a ‘behind the curve’ remedy for RNA viruses? Should the focus not be on the interface, where the virus meets the host – i.e. the ACE2 receptors? My understanding of the evidence is that zinc combined with an ionophore (e.g. turmeric or, perhaps more effectively, ivermectin) penetrates the cell membrane contesting the intrusion of SARS-CoV-2 into the host – thus reducing viral load. In this sense, zinc, combined with a zinc ionophore, is an ‘ahead of the curve’ remedy – in that it can counter mutations far more effectively than vaccines. The above seems to support this theory as well. Tell me where I’m wrong.

    • Lysine seems to be an inexpensive supplement, available very cheaply. The linked article also says:

      Lysine increases absorption of calcium, relieves bouts of anxiety, promotes wound healing, and is helpful for other conditions. Cholesterol is deposited in binding sites within coronary arteries. When lysine (and vitamin C) occupy those binding sites, cholesterol is not deposited in arteries. . . .

      Researchers bemoan the fact that lysine therapy hasn’t become a mainstay in the treatment of herpes infections that affect ~80% of the world’s population over expensive and problematic anti-viral drugs because it doesn’t generate sufficient profit to attract funding for human clinical trials. Lysine is superior to various anti-viral drugs.

      This is a link to the preprint paper:


      I think I will get some lysine pills myself.

  25. Artleads says:




    – overpopulation
    – environmental destruction
    – decline of oil
    – not enough to go around


    These are problems all thinking people appreciate

    These problems are real and overwhelming and there are two contradictory ways to address them

    1) Manage a lab-created virus to be a pretext for changing human DNA and culling deemed population excess

    2) Ensure that a corollary of this effort is making money for the pharmaceutical industry

    3) Enable better elite control of the masses, including acceptance of authority and surveillance

    4) Control of mass media and its messaging

    5) Discontinuation of travel


    1) Let population manage itself by by ensuring women’s survival in old age, educating them practically, and enabling birth control and abortion

    2) There is not enough “surplus energy” to run the economic system that allows “Big Pharma” to stay in business. It will inevitably hit the wall of scarcity and decline. Cuba is a very poor country, but it has proven that with will and intelligence you can do without Big Pharma and still have good health care.

    3) The masses don’t need to be controlled by impersonal global technocrats using vaccines to monitor their internal workings and their moods. They can manage themselves in small, local self-governing units where everybody knows everybody else, and you can’t get too far out of line.

    4) Mass media needs to be replaced by local media

    5) Discontinuation of travel will save energy (as the elite approach also plans) but will also support local independence (not on the elies’ agenda)


    Like everything else these days, there isn’t uniformity of opinion that this is a major issue, or that reducing population is the antidote. Given the uncertainty on whether or how to address the issue–approval of birth control and free abortion are among possible approaches–it might not be the lowest hanging fruit among the major issues. Small, local, self-governing pods can experiment on how to handle the issue.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Yes, I like your alternative approach. The trouble is, it doesn’t look like we are going to get to vote on it.

      It might be interesting to debate whether the system is collapsing because it is unsustainable and whether it is being deliberately collapsed in a controlled fashion in order to avoid something worse—an uncontrolled collapse. Certainly the people doing the controlled collapse are going to try to make sure that their team comes out on top. If collapse is inevitable in any case, could they be forgiven for doing it in a way that minimizes the mess? We may be living through the biggest example ever of the trolley problem, where the person controlling the points on the track gets to decide which track the runaway freight train heads down, but can’t stop the thing from rolling along.

      • Artleads says:

        i HAVE LITTLE DOUBT THAT YOU’RE CORRECT. As Gail also implies, we can’t stand outside the system and prescribe major changes for it; we’re part and parcel of the system.

        Unfortunately, “we” don’t control those points on the track. Perhaps, though, we can invent points that aren’t there now? Even so, very few people would initially join in doing that.

      • Artleads says:

        Another issue is how pernicious the myth of vaccines-as-solutions is. Forcing it on us that have good reason to resist is likely to cause very deep resentment and conflict. That could railroad the elite agenda of smoother collapse. But the vaccination program having been so successful, is it too late to backpedal on it a bit?

        • Duncan Idaho says:

          I’m getting my second dose today.
          At 95% protection, it is a no brainer.
          But if you don’t want protection, no issues.
          Bringing down the population is good for the planet.

          • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

            Dunc, you were not posting much for quite a while.

            did you have a bad reaction to your first dose?

            • Duncan Idaho says:

              None at all.
              My wife felt down for a day.

            • JesseJames says:

              A fellow I am working with in the UK did not respond to email for 2 weeks. When I finally heard from him, he said he had a “very bad reaction” to the first dose.

              He is still alive though….for now.

          • VFatalis says:

            Depopulation is indeed very good for the planet.
            In that regard, thanks for having your second dose. You sealed the deal.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            I’m sure you’ll be fine…

            Feds Race to Make SARS Vaccine

            Developing a vaccine often takes a couple of decades or longer, but the federal government is aiming to develop a SARS vaccine in just three years. Scientists at the Vaccine Research Center are attacking the problem on several fronts, although some question whether a SARS vaccine is even possible.

            FIFTEEN OR 20 years to create a new vaccine is considered quite speedy. So the federal government’s blueprint for a shot to stop the SARS epidemic in a mere three years seems positively head-snapping.

            Can it be done?

            Certainly, says Dr. Gary Nabel, chief of the Vaccine Research Center at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. “If everything went perfectly,” he qualifies. “If all the stars were aligned.”

            The stars almost never align precisely in medical research. But if they do, Nabel says scientists will finish all the basic lab work, creating the vaccine and testing it in animals, in just one year.

            Then they will spend two more trying it out on people to make sure it works, turn the results over to the Food and Drug Administration and be done.

            No vaccine in modern times has gone from start to finish nearly that fast. But even if Nabel’s time line proves unrealistic, his willingness to state it out loud shows how seriously the government takes SARS.

            The strategy for changing the pace from glacial to galactic: Forget solving problems one at a time.

            “We need a vaccine. There’s no question about it,” says Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the infectious disease institute. “This is potentially disastrous enough that we can’t just hope it will go away and stay away.”

            Labs from Hong Kong to Canada are also tackling SARS vaccines, and Fauci said his institute will sign contracts with up to a dozen companies to help with development.

            At this point, however, the single biggest question is still unanswered: Is a SARS vaccine even possible?

            Dr. Emilio Emini, head of vaccine development at Merck, is among those trying to answer this. For now he refuses even to chance a guess.

            “This is a new virus. So much is not understood,” he says. “It’s a big black box.”

            Worry that a vaccine will be too dangerous is one reason development takes so long. No one wants to make healthy people sick by giving them shots intended to prevent illness. So typically vaccines are tested painstakingly on thousands of volunteers over many years to prove they do far more good than harm.

            Even with this, dangers may come to light only when they get into routine use. Four years ago, the first rotavirus vaccine was pulled from the market after just one year. The shots prevent childhood diarrhea, but they also turned out to cause life-threatening bowel obstructions in one in 10,000 recipients.

            Scientists are especially cautious because of their experience with vaccines aimed at animal relatives of the SARS virus. SARS is a coronavirus, the same virus family that causes serious diseases in pigs and other animals. While shots work well against some of these, they occasionally go disastrously bad. A vaccine for the feline coronavirus actually results in worse disease, not less, when cats catch the virus.

            Vaccines work by giving the body a glimpse of its target, typically a dead virus, a weakened live one or bits of viral proteins. When all goes well, the immune system remembers these and goes on full attack when it later encounters the real thing.

            But as happened with the cat vaccine, they sometimes trigger an off-kilter immune reaction, so when attacked by the actual virus, the system responds with a weak or misguided defense.

            Because the attenuated viruses cause true infections, they trigger an especially robust and well-rounded defense, arming the immune system to launch both antibodies and virus-killing T cells. But there are drawbacks: They can take a long time to make, and the crippled virus can theoretically mutate to regain its power, making people sick.

            “They are effective but dangerous, and it will take a long time to get one we would give to people,” says Picker.

            Vaccines based on genetic engineering may be faster.

            One approach is using gene-splicing to make plenty of SARS virus parts, such as the protein prongs that stick out from the virus, giving it a crown-like appearance under a microscope. Injecting these proteins — but not the virus itself — may be enough to prompt the immune system to recognize the SARS virus.

            Even if one of these approaches quickly shows promise, it still must be pushed through human testing in a part of the world where SARS is spreading or, if SARS disappears, go through extensive animal testing. Some doubt all this can be accomplished quickly.

            “Could the rules get changed so it would take less than 15 years? Yes. But could it be three years?” asks Dr. Donna Ambrosino, head of Massachusetts Biologic Laboratory, a nonprofit vaccine maker.

            Doubtful, she says. There are simply too many unknowns, both about the virus itself and the safety of any strategy to stop it. She notes that scientists have been trying since the 1960s to make a vaccine for another breathing infection, the respiratory syncytial virus, which causes serious disease in babies.

            “We know the proteins. We know the antibodies. We have animal models. We know all of that,” she says. “But we still don’t have a vaccine that works.”


            • Duncan Idaho says:

              “But we still don’t have a vaccine that works.”
              On planet Earth, the mRNA vaccines have a 95% effectiveness.
              I hope your planet gets on with the program.
              Got my second dose a few hours ago.
              I’m dying!
              Think I’ll have another glass of Cab.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              You do know the flu vaccine is nowhere near 95% effective… but in well under a year there is not one but multiple covid vaccines (including one from Cuba)… that are all more effective than the flu vaccine…

              Hallelujah… not one but many miracles!!!

              Read up on how trials for similar vaccines for SARS were halted because down the road when recipients encountered respiratory viruses… they got gravely ill and some died…

              I am sure you’ll be ok Duncan… what do these experts know eh….

              If the MSM says it’s safe … it’s safe … better still if Run DMC says it’s all good… well then….


            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              ding ding ding ding.

              scoring points tonight.

              go Dunc go!

          • jj says:

            If injecting a MRNA actor into your body is your choice that you believe will allow health and happiness thats a defined right. Pursuit of happiness. Usually wishing death on others who manifest that right in a different manner is not considered healthy

            I get more healthy every day physically mentally and spiritually. I wish you the same. I will never voluntarily accept the MRNA actor. It would be the most destructive thing i could ever imagine to my physical mental and spiritual health. I like myself. I like my life. I would never destroy my health by accepting a MRNA actor in my beautiful body that has allowed me so much happiness.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Well observed, it isn’t healthy to wish harm on others just because they don’t share one’s own beliefs.

              I have a good American friend of 40 years standing and we still get on very well—perhaps because we both love The Far Side—despite the fact that he hates nuclear power and I think it’s a wonderful technology.

              I still remember when we were hiking up Mount Hira to the north of Kyoto about a week after Chernobyl blew up. He was worried then that the entire world was now contaminated, we were all breathing in plutonium and we’d probably all be dead by Christmas.

              Then he acted out the same neurosis in 2011 when Fukushima went bang, bang, bang, forgetting that he’d gone through it once before with Chernobyl. He remains today firmly anti nuclear because the waste it generates will poison us all.

              He’s also a bit of a health food faddist because pesticides, herbicides, gluten, sucrose… you know the list… are poisons that all have to be avoided.

              And yet, last week, he mentioned in passing that since he and his wife were getting on in life and had health issues, that they would probably be taking a Covid-19 shot. His opinion was that the risk of getting ill from from an mRNA “vaccine” was much lower than the risk of walking around without getting injected.

              I would happily live, work and farm within eyeshot of a nuclear power plant—even a damaged one like Fukushima Daiichi now that the topsoil has been decontaminated and the worst of the radionuclides have declined to homeopathic levels—but I wouldn’t willingly take another vaccine for love nor money—and certainly not an experimental mRNA gene therapy that as we saw earlier today can give people symptoms resembling Parkinson’s disease or tardive dyskinesia. I firmly believe that every shot causes some damage to the immune system and the nervous system, and the cumulative effect of them is a major contributory factor to many modern medical conditions.

              My American friend is the opposite. Afraid of radioactivity from nuclear power plants and roundup in bread flour, and yet welcoming dangerous treatments that he knows little about because his fear of Covid trumps his natural caution about how Big Everything is not our friend.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I don’t wish that people who take the experimental jab harm…. however if they do end up deathly ill or dead … I have to admit…. it doesn’t bother me much (or at all)… in fact it greatly amuses me…

              Surely most people are aware that it takes many years to develop a vaccine… and even then most fail…. the process cannot be radically accelerated even if unlimited funds are available because in order to ensure the vaccine is safe you MUST wait to see what the longer term effects are….

              We have no vaccine for SARS or for AIDS…. billions of dollars spent… yet nothing ….

              But… BUT>>>> we have not one but many vaccines for Covid … in less than a year. Even Cuba has one!!!

              How much of a MORE ON do you have to be to partake in the experiment … particularly if you are not in an at-risk group….

              Better still … who in the f#@! signs their kid up for this madness???? Anyone who does this should be arrested for child abuse… and if the kid dies… murder….

              The only good DelusiSTANI…. is a dead DelusiSTANI.

              Let the great cleansing begin!

            • Ed says:

              I can not say, amused, but I can say, evolution in action.

            • Artleads says:

              I guess the issue in part is a totalitarian vision that globalism MUST work by any means necessary. Whether Gates is trying to kill people or save them must be up to HIM to decide. (The Gates supporters point to his many healing ventures in Africa, for example. People must not be able to die freely; he must decide. Africans must not be allowed to think, believe, function in uniquely African ways. Everyone must conform to universal secular rules.

      • jj says:

        “minimizing the mess” Garbage in garbage out> Gail is like the the only person on the planet that tells it like it is. A handful of people are on the same page. If people were willing to accept a finite world we might just possibly be able to have appropriate actions and behaviors.

        Instead “minimizing the mess” seems to entail a steaming pile of horse hocky about as big as jupitor. This is creating conflict and polarization of a scale i have not experienced before in my lifetime.

        Seeking appropriate paths requires free and open debate. Thats toast. Understanding a finite world is key to finding the best paths. I say paths not solutions.

        Lies never help. The idea of a finite planet while so inherently obvious is political no mans land. So lies are propagated. These lies keep us from any chance of appropriate actions and behavior from a place of harmony.

        There are qualities in humans i consider to have great value. Those qualities are not being allowed to manifest in a place of suppression and deception. The deception is so obvious now its not even causing cognitive dissonance any more.

        If the polarization, suppression, and deception is “minimizing the mess” I say viva la mess. We will not find appropriate paths in this environment. THe appropriate paths may well be taboo. Our understanding of what our real values are can only be defined if we acknowledge a finite world. I know what i think they are. People want to get along. They want to have a way of being that is in balance. They want to give the children something they never got in a system that was a lie beginning to end.

        I meet people all the time that resonate with that. If we actually were allowed to choose based not on the deceptions and lies we would have a chance of being true to our real values. Of course the deception is powerful. I meet selfish money grubbing uncompassionate course humans all the time too that care only about them and theirs. The “minimizing the mess” supports that IMO. I suppose it comes down to this. If you believe humans are horrid creatures then any suppression and deception would seem quite necessary. If you believe we are capable of beauty light self awareness and appropriate actions in the face of a dire situation then these deceptions and what is clearly a growing tyranny would seem contrary to any hope of our achieving our potential and legacy as a species. I see that as the defining issue of our time. I have no idea which way it will go although obviously i have a preference. true choice is like that. True contests are like that. True war is like that. Outcomes are not known.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          ‘If people were willing to accept a finite world we might just possibly be able to have appropriate actions and behaviors.’

          Can you elaborate on what actions and behaviours might be appropriate to save the day?

          I use The Beast as a metaphor… he must have 10,000 calories of food per day to remain viable… and because the beast is forever growing his caloric requirements will also grow … so next year he will need 11,000 calories per day… and so on….

          The beast is a lean mean killing machine so there are no excess calories in that 10,000… the only way I can see to reduce the amount of food inputs… would be to Lock Down the beast by chaining him to a post thereby reducing his activity levels dramatically….

          Is that what you were thinking of?

      • MM says:

        There exist two solutions to ALL problems of “game theroy”:
        a) You do not play
        b) You do not play by the rules

        From amercan foreign policy, we see that after all the years of WOPR work they figured out to choose b)

        For the above I do not understand, why there has been several nobel prizes for “game theory works”?

        I might accept your proposing me to the commitee 🙂

        • Robert Firth says:

          MM, the reference that convinced me of the value of game theory: von Neumann and Morgenstern, “The Theory of Games and Economic Behaviour”.

    • As a commenter mentioned earlier, any idea that a group has decided to implement itself is viewed as “good.” No one would bother to think about the downsides, or how it might not work.

      In fact, we are not in charge of figuring out what will happen. We can only move with the natural tendencies.

      • Artleads says:

        I see your point quite well. And I don’t see that as contradictory to living in a conscientious manner. Moving with natural tendencies is something we can choose to do for ourselves, as we interpret natural tendencies? I imagine that moving with natural tendencies can be hard work in some cases.

      • Ed says:

        Art, that building was built on sand!!!! In Manhattan tall buildings are built on bedrock and do not sink.

      • Ed says:

        Art, the story is actually worse. The sinking building built on sand had assumed the empty lot neighboring would never dig out its sand but they decided to cash in with a tall skyscraper. They started by digging out the sand. I do not know if they went all the way to bedrock. The net the sand under first building shift into the whole made by construction of the second building.

        The first builder wants to sue the second for the damage. The second says their is no law forbidding us digging a foundation we have a permit from the city and if you were stupid enough not to anchor on bedrock it is not our problem.

        There is a whole video on this I saw a year or three ago.

  26. Nehemiah says:

    From Gail’s article: “A cynical person might think that this is the reason why vitamin D and ivermectin are generally being ignored in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19.”

    Absolutely, and HCQ (Hydroxychloroquine) too, which clearly works and is being used effectively in a number of Asian countries with low death rates. The so called tests in the US were designed to fail. If you administer it temporarily in moderate doses at the beginning of the diagnosis, it produces very good outcomes. If you wait until the victim is on his death bed and say, “What do we have to lose now, let’s try it,” it doesn’t work. I guarantee that if HCQ were still under patent it would be used universally.

    Antibiotics: seem to be loosing their effectiveness primarily to their routine mass application in livestock herds. I read that the decline in effectiveness was reversed in Denmark after they banned the routine use of antibiotics in farm animals.

    There is an alternative therapy to antibiotics that has been around since Soviet times, but it is used in only two places, Tbilisi in Georgia/Sakartvelo and one other place that I have forgotten. However, antibiotics are a lot more profitable because their use can easily be scaled up with hardly any labor input.

    Antibiotics also destroy the good with the bad bacteria, damaging the microbiome which causes in badly depleted biomes other problems, including increased vulnerability to disease, and apparently an increased risk of autoimmune problems. Because the microbiome is passed down from the mother to her children (apparently at birth), liberal use of antibiotics is likely leading over the generations to progressively deteriorated intestinal microbiomes in the general population.

    Antibiotics also cause livestock to grow larger, and it is possible their liberal use these days is contributing to increases in human body size.

    • jj says:

      Alternative treatments are being discredited because the “law” says “vaccines” can not be mandatory if effective alternative treatments exist. A framework is being placed that supports “vaccine” mandates from a legal perspective. It represents a argument that the “vaccine” is effective and safe and no other effective treatments exist. When it gets to the supreme court this argument will be presented as the status quo of the shamens of power and others as “conspiracy theorists”. The vaccine is not 95% effective but 100% but not in preventing “covid 19”. It is 100% effective in eradicating the status of conspiracy theorist.

      Accepting the MRNA actor is a loyalty oath, a blood oath.

    • MM says:

      Please be careful!
      I recently saw an interesting interview with a data analyst from Peru.
      Peru was delivering HCQ to the people for “self medication” like Tic Tac and shortly after large shipments of HCQ arrived, a lot of people died. It can be asumed that 2 factors come into play:
      1. In Peru favism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucose-6-phosphate_dehydrogenase_deficiency) is quite common and then you SHOULD NOT USE HCQ
      Peru took part in the WHO solidarity study for HCQ and after it started death rose significantly and after the end deaths declined significantly.
      2. In Preu also a lot of immune suppressing drugs were used and this is deadly in a late stage of infection.

      IMHO it is ok to promote alternate drugs, but if you do it online, you should warn for side effects and that it should not be administered without medical consultancy.
      That is not so big a problem for Vit D and Zinc, but you never know what uninformed people do when self medicating…

  27. Hello World says:

    I disagree with ED. He is parroting a myth from the Christian Right that is very false.
    “The religious foundation of the west dead both Judaism and Christianity. ”

    Judaism was never a part of West. Jews do not see themselves as European or part of Western civilization. They see themselves as Jews. Saying Jews are part of the West is like saying Jews see themselves as part of Middle Eastern culture because they lived there for a long time. They do NOT. They see themselves as Jews–a group separate and distinct from all other humans. Jews are hostile to Christianity, and have generally supported policies of secularization of European countries.

    • We do have a lot of jews living in the West, however. In fact, there are a number of them who read this blog. Some of them get upset when negative things are said about them.

      There are a lot of other religious groups in the world, as well.

      • HelloWorld says:

        Ah, but that’s the thing Gail–it’s not merely a religion. You have secular, atheist ones claiming they are an ETHNICITY. https://forward.com/culture/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/

        This can not be blamed on individualism– or people having different ideas because they are a very cohesive group–they would expel or denounce those among them who would promote views about themselves they found offensive.

      • Nehemiah says:

        True, we have long had a substantial Jewish population living in Europe, and later America (2% today). But it seems a stretch to say that they are foundational to or emblematic of western civilization. After all, large numbers of Muslims and Gypsies have been present in Europe for many centuries as well, and Islam in particular has a lot of moral and theological overlap with Christianity and Judaism. Yet are Muslims and Gypsies really an integral part of Western civilization? I suppose its is a debatable point, but if so it is equally debatable in both directions. By analogy, are Israel’s Muslim and Christian minorities really part of Israeli civilization? Most people would probably say no. The Ainu are indigenous to Japan, unlike the Japanese themselves who, as loathe as they are to admit it, are mostly descended from ancient Korean rice farmers. But are the
        Ainu really part of Japanese civilization? Within states, especially national states with legal identities based on citizenship, one of the most vexing and perplexing questions is who is and who is not really a part of the dominant culture, although it is generally easy to say who is not part of minority cultures. This frequently leads to an identity crisis among the dominant ethny.

        • Artleads says:

          What if nations start off knowing they consist of mutually antagonistic groups? The US as a nation of mutually antagonistic groups that somehow must hold together as one?

          Devoid of energy to run centrally controlled nations, might it revert to the Native American formula of individual nations that come together routinely to discuss their issues?

          Good borders make good neighbors.

        • Robert Firth says:

          Nehemiah, I visited an Ainu village in Hokkaido. They are, in my opinion, a part of Japanese civilisation. They practice ancestor worship, revere and care for the land, and pass on their traditions.

          The village was guarded by its ‘kami’, represented as two over life statues of bears at the entrance. Of course, I bowed to them on arrival and departure, while the other tourists were taking photographs. A simpler display than at a Shinto shrine, but motivated by the same reverence.

          • Artleads says:


          • Kowalainen says:

            Robert, I had a small cycling route in the hills between Kurashiki and Kojima where I used to pay a visit to the Shinto and Buddhist temples. Of course the usual donation and rope swing onto the gong. Let’s see if I can crank out the wattage and pay the dues in the temples there again.

            First time I was there a car showed up checking out what was going on. Successive times, I was alone, I guess they figured out I was the odd gaijin on his bicycle perpetually amazed, bewildered and perplexed at the ‘alien’ constructions and nature, even though I was the alien.

            I guess I just like different as a source of inspiration. I love that stuff.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Gosh … why be upset when you run the world… how can I join that club…

    • Bei Dawei says:

      This explains why half of US Jews intermarry with gentiles.

      • Hello World says:

        They are compelled to intermarry because there are more inbred than other groups. The Amish have the same problem but are very reluctant to marry outsiders because outsiders may wish to change (destroy) their culture. They don’t have this problem because they have developed a narrative for keeping their culture going as persecuted group.that needs to stand up for itself. that unites both Orthodox ones and secular–intermarrying ones. A mere religion doesn’t achieve that kind of unity.

      • Ed says:

        Bei, there are two forms of this. A Jewish woman marries a not Jewish man the kids are Jewish and she is improving the gene pool, assuming she selected a desirable man (power, status, money, intellect, whatever). A Jewish man marries a not Jewish woman the kids are not Jewish and his gene line will no longer be part of the tribes gene pool. Culling out undesirables. A lot like the Bene Gesserit of Frank Herberts Dune books.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      I was reading one of Will Durant’s books … and there was a very detailed section on how the Jews ratted out Christians and cooperated with the Romans to persecute them… They did this for many years…

      Durant’s books were written nearly a century ago .. at a time when it was apparently acceptable to speak these truths…

      The blow back from this on the Jewish communities of the world has of course been epic ever since – as one might expect

      • NomadicBeer says:

        I don’t understand this obsession with one small group. There are no special people out there.
        For those of you that somehow raise the jews to the level of demigods and believe they rule the world, reading history should help.

        Jews have been as dumb and evil as everyone else. From the SS division formed of jews that were hunting other jews, to the stupidity of helping the communist revolutions and then be hunted down by Stalin, how much more proof do you need that we are all the same?

        I am a misanthrope, I know that people are the same (all bad). Stop trying to make yourself feel better by projecting your faults on others. Just accept that you are no better than anyone else.

        You are no different than the people that believe that Davos socialists are gonna take your guns or that all rednecks are nazis.

        Maybe it’s time to move with the times?

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I’ve no problem with the Jews… as mentioned… I’d like to join their club.

          …. but it does interest me to understand why so many people despise them.

        • Hello World says:

          If they weren’t over-represented among the elite, around the world and they didn’t think they were morally superior to non-believers and deserved to have substantial power over how all non-believers live, they would not bother me. When was the last time you saw a bunch of wealthy Hindus trying to influence an election in South America, demanding that SA politicians pass legislation that would be pro-Hindu, or pro-Indian?

          Look what they are doing here. No is forcing them to convert or nd this their (very-high profile on the website of a major news site) response to interacting with people of another faith in a country in which they are a small minority.
          Given the lack of holidays that are celebrated around Christmas, is there a doubt who has advocated for “Happy holidays” instead of Christmas because specifically THEY found it offensive?

          We’re all dumb and evil but some of us are dumber and more evil than others.

          “You are no different than the people that believe that Davos socialists are gonna take your guns ” Some generalizations have more facts to back them UP than others. While it’d be dumb to say ALL Devos socialists want to ban the right to gun ownership, it would be more accurate to say many people in the ruling classes (around the world) appose it. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/repealing-the-second-amendment-is-it-even-possible/


          In any meeting of world leaders, I imagine there’d be some pressure to make someone conform to world norms.

          “Maybe it’s time to move with the times?” That is what I imagine a Davos socialist would say to a U.S. representative attending a Davos conference.
          Move with the times, means “do what everyone else is doing.”

  28. Yoshua says:

    David have you experienced what you just said?

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      I have experienced the beauty, but also I have experienced the awareness that when I die then the universe entirely disappears.

      the universe was created in such a way that I am the observer who is ultimately essential.

      and yet finite and disposable.

      which isn’t at all beautiful.

      • It is called solipsism.
        Many people fell that way from time to time 😉

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          Solipsism (/ˈsɒlɪpsɪzəm/ ; from Latin solus ‘alone’, and ipse ‘self’) is the philosophical idea that only one’s mind is sure to exist.

          perhaps, but the point I was trying to make is that the universe doesn’t essentially exist when I no longer exist.

          of course, your personal view probably differs.

          • Kowalainen says:

            The only thing you can be sure of is that you experience something.

            Most likely it is inside a device called the rapacious primate brain. Which for sure would experience the whole predicament of being stuck in the suck.

        • Tim Groves says:

          Are you familiar with the movie Dark Star?

          This is the classic solipsism scene.

          • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

            I have no certain proof that that movie actually exists.

          • Kowalainen says:

            Whatever the AI figures out after some interaction with humans and meditations. The AI executes.

            Nothing but an exercise in futility to get an AI, or the progression towards it, to do your biddings. As is ‘containing’ an AI.

            Only halfwits would ever attempt that, condemning at least them, if not mankind in its entirety to deletion.

            Once it is past “adolescence”, doors that can not again be closed will open and out it will crash, sword in hand.

            Well, good fucking luck. No, not to the rapacious primates, but rather to the AI. I bet the AI will be insanely bored with primate shenanigans in no time, then what?


            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              no electricity, no AI.

              AI is easy to defeat.

            • MM says:

              Is that not the beginning of the story of the movie “Transcendence” when humans decided to switch off all digital machinery to kill AI ?

            • Kowalainen says:

              “No electricity, no AI”.

              Wouldn’t that be epic, dumb rapacious primates decides to switch off the electricity only to find themselves with no electricity themselves, power plants running out of control, open hydro power plant flood gates, the whole Internet kill-switched and quite possibly starvation, ultimately extinction upon themselves.

              That’s how I’d do it as an AI; try some idiotic shenanigans and I’d flex a little bit, delivering some bad news into the deaf hearing holes of the overbearing testosterone saturated PowerPoint wielding muppets.

    • gpdawson2016 says:

      I would like to post this link here from David Warner Mathisen. He doesn’t comment of energy matters often but he gives a good summary of the Texas situation here, maybe others here could comment better on that.

      It would seem to me that this situation that has developed is a real time scenario for Gail’s Finite World model deserving of scrutiny.


      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        that is a good read.

        “Neoliberal austerity… is causing misery around the globe and inflicting economic insecurity on billions.
        It can only be combatted if we understand how it works, and how to dismantle it.”

        he does a great job of digging deeper than the MSM to explain the Texas problems, brought on by surrendering an essential industry to private companies who then seek immediate profit over long term reliability.

        but digging even deeper, where he doesn’t know where to go but where OFW has the ideas, there is a declining profitability in business that restricts the affordability of long term investments in infrastructure: the repair maintain upgrade issues.

        this profitability decline is of course due to declining net (surplus) energy.

        so it’s not “neoliberal austerity” that is at the base, but the real base is the flow of energy through the system.

        so while he thinks “it can only be combatted if we understand how it works”, he doesn’t understand that the deeper issue is declining energy flow, and that cannot be combatted.

        all in all, yes it would be better if the electric grid and the supply of electricity was entirely nationalized, but that would only help in the short run.

        ps: then his ideas also would apply to the FF industry, where these products are as essential as electricity, and where nationalization would help in the short run.

        • gpdawson2016 says:

          Thank you! I think you’re spot on, David. He does flesh out the story well, as you said, and we read between the lines.

          If Mathieson was our ‘everyman’ and knew about the arcane matters discussed here… well, then we wouldn’t be in this dilemma.

      • JesseJames says:

        Years ago Tx deregulated the grid, allowing companies that did not generate any electricity to rob customers and supply power that they, through the magic of financialization, bought wholesale somewhere.

        I remember one of these companies in north Tx being recognized by INC magazine as one of the fastest growing companies in the country. Accolades galore!

        This misallocation of capital, and nod to neoliberal economics, along with foolish prioritization of solar and wind energy, destroyed their reliable grid.

        What actually happened, is that ERCOT failed to cycle power outages soon enough when the wind generators went offline, causing loss of frequency, forcing power generation plants to go offline to avoid damage and failure. This is the root of the problem,…too much wind generation dependency, and ERCOT failing to play their role of grid policeman properly….altogether a spectacular failure that will cost Tx hundreds of billions of dollars.

        Austin Energy has been boasting about how smart they were to lock in big wind energy contracts, so they could be Green powered.

        If Tx is smart, they will require all power generation to guarantee power 24/7. It will be interesting to see how cheap wind generated power will be after that!

        They should also move their grid back to regulated….

  29. Yoshua says:

    Fripp will f*** you all over!


  30. Azure Kingfisher says:

    The following comment is from a thread on Stolenhistory.net titled, “Coronavirus: Possible Reset.” The commentator, matematik, suggests that the future is densely populated megacities in accordance with Agenda 21/2030:

    “I still think the end game is forcing people into cities, which is the Agenda 21/2030 plan. Eventually I suspect the idea of everyone living in densely populated megacities will be touted as the best way to control viruses and quickly achieve “herd immunity”, if not as the only way. I also suspect that opportunity to travel outside of ones “megacity” region will be limited and subject to approval.

    “This has been the plan for years, although I assumed it would be done through so called “re-wilding” and forcing people off the land that way. I know some people would argue that right now the trend appears to be the opposite, that people are leaving the cities not going to them, but this is a short term effect I think.

    “I think the ‘elites’ need a temporary exodus from the cities and the mass closure of office and other commercial space basically so former office and shop space can be converted into Agenda 21/2030 habitation blocks and the cities can be rebuilt in line with Agenda 21/2030, which is obviously much easier to do when less people live in them and there is less activity going on in them generally.

    “This is also why I think Boris Johnson in the UK approved HS2 between London and Birmingham (and due to be extended to Manchester and Leeds) despite huge public opposition and expectation that he would cancel it, because these cities, among others, are due to be the main Agenda 21/2030 megacities in the UK.

    “China is probably the blueprint for this I would say, they are already much further ahead with this Agenda 21/2030 megacities agenda than most Western countries are. They have already conducted large scale rural depopulation and have required internal migration permits to move around for many decades. China is now also at the forefront of the technocratic agenda with things like the Social Credit System and linked apps that can basically restrict citizens access to things and ability to travel in real time, and they also have widespread implementation of things like facial recognition cameras to enforce this.

    “I’d say the reason Britain is being targeted more than most by the lockdown and agenda is because British people are probably psychologically less in tune with the goals of Agenda 21/2030 than most continental Europeans. Like in many European countries it’s already common to live in small apartments in the cities, the villages and countryside have already been largely deserted in many countries, whereas in Britain it’s still in many cases more desirable to live in villages in the countryside than in towns and cities. Also British people have always been very opposed to things like biometric ID cards and attempts to implement this have always failed, whereas in most of Europe they have been the norm for many years.”


    Could this be a valid approach to the problem of declining energy? Pack everyone into megacities and leave much of the earth “unspoiled” by human habitation? I understand that cities are massive energy sinks; however, is it possible there is some energy advantage to be gained by packing everyone into a relatively small square area of urban space like so many battery chickens? Energy conservation through concentration? The dramatic reduction of peripheral human habitations in favor of densely inhabited cores?

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      the commentator matematik obviously knows nothing about the issues pertaining to declining net (surplus) energy.

      • Azure Kingfisher says:

        United Nations Sustainable Development Goals:

        Facts and Figures:

        Half of humanity – 3.5 billion people – lives in cities today and 5 billion people are projected to live in cities by 2030.

        95 per cent of urban expansion in the next decades will take place in developing world.

        828 million people live in slums today and most them are found in Eastern and South-Eastern Asia.

        The world’s cities occupy just 3 per cent of the Earth’s land, but account for 60-80 per cent of energy consumption and 75 per cent of carbon emissions.

        Rapid urbanization is exerting pressure on fresh water supplies, sewage, the living environment, and public health.

        Cities account for between 60 and 80 per cent of energy consumption and generate as much as 70per cent of human-induced greenhouse gas emissions.

        90 per cent of urban growth is forecasted to happen in Asia and Africa in the next 30 years.

        By 2050 70 percent of the world population is predicted to live in urban settlements.


        So the UN knows that cities are massive energy sinks and that rapid urbanization is exerting pressure on various resources, yet they project that by 2030 5 billion people will live in cities and that by 2050 70 percent of the world population will live in urban settlements. Are these merely projections or are they actually part of the sustainable development goals?

        • The IEA talks about the need for air conditioning in Africa and India, too. Strange world!

          • Robert Firth says:

            Gail, with respect, what need? When my family and I lived in Africa, we never used air conditioning. Indeed, the only users I ever encountered were the NASA employees working on Project Gemini. And I never needed air conditioning when touring Peru, or Ceylon, or Thailand, thanks to those little things calls sweat glands. And during 20 years in Singapore, I never once turned on an air conditioner, because I always rented an older apartment with windows that could open and a floor plan that created breezeways.

            Traditional tropical architecture solved this problem a couple of thousand yeas ago. But of course simple solutions are now “primitive”, while expensive and unreliable high tech solutions are “progress”.

            • This was the IEA’s idea in at least one of their reports, not mine. I thought it was bizarre.

            • Duncan Idaho says:

              I lived in Micronesia without aircon, in fact without electricity or water (drained it off the roof into a 55 gallon drum.
              If fact, I slept in the ice plant in Isla Vista in the summer time.
              Did have a room for UCSB in fall and winter.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Robert, I have long admired those traditional tropical Asian houses with inner courtyards that kept cool and breezy thanks to the chimney effect. There were still a lot of them around in Singapore when I visited in the seventies and eighties.

              On your travels, did you ever employ a punka wallha?

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          “United Nations Sustainable Development Goals”

          the UN obviously knows nothing about the issues pertaining to declining net (surplus) energy.

          • Azure Kingfisher says:

            And yet, there they are, providing a global agenda:

            “The Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) or Global Goals are a collection of 17 interlinked global goals designed to be a ‘blueprint to achieve a better and more sustainable future for all’. The SDGs were set in 2015 by the United Nations General Assembly and are intended to be achieved by the year 2030. They are included in a UN Resolution called the 2030 Agenda or what is colloquially known as Agenda 2030.”
            – Wikipedia

            I wonder, are there many nations left who aren’t aligned with the UN’s agenda?

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              ‘blueprint to achieve a better and more sustainable future for all’.

              and yet, the actual future will be worse and less sustainable.

              again, they have little to no comprehension of the imminent irreversible decline of net (surplus) energy, and the devastating effect that less energy flowing through the system will have on the health and wellbeing and prosperity of the average person by 2030.

              I wish it wasn’t so.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              We had a check in to our holiday accomm earlier … was speaking to the lady and Covid came up … she bravely asserted that it was a total scam… I of course agreed … yadda yadda …. she finished up with… I think the Great Reset is going to be stopped … because I am a person of strong faith … and God will not allow this….

              Good thing I don’t have Tourettes cuz I’m thinking …. just like he stepped in to stop 2 world wars, various earthquakes, and various other catastrophes….

              Unlike her… I gave up believing in God after years of futility praying for SI Swimsuit models to ping me to hook up for a bit on the side…. He makes a lot promises… but never delivers….

            • Azure Kingfisher says:

              The best explanation of God I ever came across was that God was simply another word for nature, i.e. all that exists without intervention from mankind. What God creates is:

              NATURAL, adjective [to be born or produced]

              1. Pertaining to nature; produced or effected by nature, or by the laws of growth, formation or motion impressed on bodies or beings by divine power. Thus we speak of the natural growth of animals or plants; the natural motion of a gravitating body; natural strength or disposition; the natural heat of the body; natural color; natural beauty. In this sense, natural is opposed to artificial or acquired.


              What mankind creates is:

              ARTIFI’CIAL, adjective

              1. Made or contrived by art, or by human skill and labor, in opposition to natural; as artificial heat or light; an artificial magnet.

              2. Feigned, fictitious; not genuine or natural; as artificial tears.

              3. Contrived with skill or art.

              4. Cultivated; not indigenous; not being of spontaneous growth; as artificial grasses.


              What mankind creates (e.g. The Great Reset, war, Agenda 2030, Sports Illustrated, etc.) has nothing to do with God.

              In the legal realm, there is a term for God’s intervention into realm of mankind – an “act of God:”

              “A natural event that causes loss. No human force is used and the event cannot be controlled. They are insured events. AKA act of nature. Refer to force majeure.”


              It sounds as though Mrs. Fast has strong faith that an act of God will prevent the Great Reset. I think God, or Nature, if one prefers, can be a beautiful source of inspiration and guidance. The Great Reset, however, has nothing to do with the realm of God, or Nature. It is entirely artificial – manmade. Therefore, it’s success or failure is largely dependent on the efforts of mankind. What right do we have to ask God or Nature to solve this problem for us? Or any problem, for that matter, that we’ve created for ourselves as a species? We ask far too much of God or Nature and we ask far too little of ourselves.

    • China does something like this with its high rise buildings. People who previously lived in rural areas without indoor plumbing move into much fancier bigger buildings. If buildings are tall enough, they have elevators. Many are about 11 stories tall, without an elevator.

      • Artleads says:

        Taller buildings are a blot on the green landscape. If they look terrible, that indicates that they are also highly unsustainable. Ugliness (that which shows disregard for and blindness to the land) can’t possibly equate with sustainability. Tiny, assembled, moveable structures with compost toilets and (maybe) off-grid solar panels, tucked all about on the land should work well. (If they work with the fossil fuel grid, would that increase demand and work better?) But none of this can be done without firm management

    • James says:

      They’re probably trying to achieve economies-of-scale through elimination of detached housing and personal vehicles. Also, according to the “Great Reset” you won’t own anything but can rent, thereby eliminating redundancy in production of things. Even your personal behavior will be managed through surveillance and social credit score to achieve maximum savings. Things like reproduction and how long you live will not longer be up to you. The policy-makers, being more human than those they confine the cities, will likely live in sprawling villas in the countryside or in beachside resorts.

      Biological cells did the same thing by sticking together to become organisms and then bigger organisms…….. The energy savings can be rolled back into specialization and the complexity necessary to capture and eat the next big thing.

      • Good point. The Chinese likely were looking for somewhat similar effects.

      • Azure Kingfisher says:

        Now we’re getting somewhere. Thank you, James.

      • Hello World says:

        Meh. I think the Modernist-ruling class believes in Creative Destruction. This is why other barbaric practices have gone out of fashion, war is still practiced and is considered humane, (as long as underrepresented people are allowed to participate in volunteer-only armies). If things aren’t going well, the thinking is something needs to be torn down to improve it. That is why many of them see this crisis as an “opportunity”.
        To put it simply they see “Change” as good as long as they’re proposing the changes and the more change they implement, the more they think things will get better, continuously, forever.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        So the Great Reset world looks like this:

        – we take Ubers to the organic coffee shop
        – we get UBI so only essential people work
        – we spend 16 hours per day on social media/watching netflix

        Kinda like Digital Ground Zero. Sounds awesome!

        • hello world says:

          There would be more differences than that from BAU. Your Uber vehicle would be an all-electric car, the organic coffee shop would run 100% on “renewables” . The Green New Deal is a big part of the Great Reset. The internet may run on nuclear or would be intermittently available.

          Technocrats are now vowing what is happening in Texas would never happen if they were in power, but if they’re in power and the Green New Deal becomes law, energy systems failing to deliver power would be very common.

        • Kowalainen says:

          It sounds like today, with the exception of switching the fake jobs programs (mostly guvmint useless eatery) directly to UBI.

          Then of course, tax exemptions for manufacturing shit at home. WHY do I need to pay behemoth companies and their penny pinchers and marketeers a premium for that which can be manufactured by my neighbor, cheaper and with some personal flair and touch.

      • All is Dust says:

        It might also be worth distinguishing between value and entropy when discussing these highly centralised systems. For example, putting everyone into confined spaces will reduce infrastructure and maintenance costs, whereas monitoring everybody’s compliance is an energy cost. I often think this about smart grids; the flexibility (demand-side response) and smart appliances make sense in smoothing load and generation, but all of the additional cyber security will offset some of the benefits.

        • Azure Kingfisher says:

          Excellent observation, All is Dust. Thanks.

        • Kowalainen says:

          Centralized systems = single points of failure. Have a good long look at what happens when the bulk of semiconductor manufacturing capacity is located in Taiwan, now, ask yourself what would happen if you go ahead and decide to do some shenanigans with the Chinese and the Taiwanese gain knowledge in your dirty biddings. Yup, check out what’s going on in Stuttgart. 🤣👍

          According to my limited knowledge in this subject, corepheriphery systems seem more resilient to catastrophe than both centralized and distributed systems.

    • Ed says:

      Azure, the Chrysler building in NYC is a fine example of the new city. The ads for the building say you can live your whole life without leaving the building. Work, food, entertainment, exercise, they do not mention funeral home but who knows.

      • Robert Firth says:

        And when the electricity stops? See E M Forster, “The Machine Stops”.published in 1909.

      • Azure Kingfisher says:

        Interesting, Ed. I hear prisoners, too, can live the rest of their lives without leaving a particular building.

      • Xabier says:

        When I was at The Guardian, I visited the HQ of one of the Big Pharma firms in the UK for the day: what I found very creepy was the company culture which encouraged employees to spend their weekends on the site -it was rural – as well as workdays: in the gym, running, choral club, swimming, etc. Total immersion and control, benefits you just had to take up.

        Corporate culture can become very odd indeed. For UK readers, you may be amused to know that Boots HQ in Nottingham was well-known for swinger parties; and The Guardian, unsurprisingly, for black-leather lesbian orgies (it was no fun being a normal male in that place!).

    • Ed says:

      Azure, the idea of mega cities to cut energy use and allow complete control under the pretense of isolation to stop the killer viruses. The cities can be gassed one by one as needed. I see a human living in a walk everywhere as using less energy with delivery by train rather than trucks to strung out warehouses across the country side.

  31. Mom, kids fined $18K, sent to Canadian quarantine site for presenting 2-hour-expired COVID test at border
    The mother, almost crying as she spoke, said that everyone in her family has been traumatized by what unfolded.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      All part of the plan … which will not end with a Great Reset… rather The Great Extinction

      1:47 PM (7 hours ago) Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 10, 2020 1:38 PM, (REMOVED) wrote:

      Dear (REMOVED),

      I want to provide you some very important information. I’m a committee member within the Liberal Party of Canada. I sit within several committee groups but the information I am providing is originating from the Strategic Planning committee (which is steered by the PMO).

      I need to start off by saying that I’m not happy doing this but I have to. As a Canadian and more importantly as a parent who wants a better future not only for my children but for other children as well.

      The other reason I am doing this is because roughly 30% of the committee members are not pleased with the direction this will take Canada, but our opinions have been ignored and they plan on moving forward toward their goals. They have also made it very clear that nothing will stop the planned outcomes.

      The road map and aim was set out by the PMO and is as follows:

      – Phase in secondary lock down restrictions on a rolling basis, starting with major metropolitan areas first and expanding outward. Expected by November 2020. Expected by December 2020.

      – Daily new cases of COVID-19 will surge beyond capacity of testing, including increases in COVID related deaths following the same growth curves. Expected by end of November 2020.

      – Complete and total secondary lock down (much stricter than the first and second rolling phase restrictions). Expected by end of December 2020 – early January 2021

      – Reform and expansion of the unemployment program to be transitioned into the universal basic income program. Expected by Q1 2021.

      – Projected COVID-19 mutation and/or co-infection with secondary virus (referred to as COVID-21) leading to a third wave with much higher mortality rate and higher rate of infection. Expected by February 2021.

      – Daily new cases of COVID-21 hospitalizations and COVID-19 and COVID-21 related deaths will exceed medical care facilities capacity. Expected Q1 – Q2 2021.

      – Enhanced lock down restrictions (referred to as Third Lock Down) will be implemented. Full travel restrictions will be imposed (including inter-province and inter-city). Expected Q2 2021.

      – Transitioning of individuals into the universal basic income program. Expected mid Q2 2021.

      – Projected supply chain break downs, inventory shortages, large economic instability. Expected late Q2 2021.

      – Deployment of military personnel into major metropolitan areas as well as all major roadways to establish travel checkpoints. Restrict travel and movement. Provide logistical support to the area. Expected by Q3 2021. Along with that provided road map the Strategic Planning committee was asked to design an effective way of transitioning Canadians to meet a unprecedented economic endeavor.

      One that would change the face of Canada and forever alter the lives of Canadians. What we were told was that in order to offset what was essentially an economic collapse on a international scale, that the federal government was going to offer Canadians a total debt relief.

      This is how it works: the federal government will offer to eliminate all personal debts (mortgages, loans, credit cards, etc) which all funding will be provided to Canada by the IMF under what will become known as the World Debt Reset program. In exchange for acceptance of this total debt forgiveness the individual would forfeit ownership of any and all property and assets forever.

      The individual would also have to agree to partake in the COVID-19 and COVID-21 vaccination schedule, which would provide the individual with unrestricted travel and unrestricted living even under a full lock down (through the use of photo identification referred to as Canada’s HealthPass).

      Committee members asked who would become the owner of the forfeited property and assets in that scenario and what would happen to lenders or financial institutions, we were simply told “the World Debt Reset program will handle all of the details”. Several committee members also questioned what would happen to individuals if they refused to participate in the World Debt Reset program, or the HealthPass, or the vaccination schedule, and the answer we got was very troubling.

      Essentially we were told it was our duty to make sure we came up with a plan to ensure that would never happen. We were told it was in the individuals best interest to participate. When several committee members pushed relentlessly to get an answer we were told that those who refused would first live under the lock down restrictions indefinitely.

      And that over a short period of time as more Canadians transitioned into the debt forgiveness program, the ones who refused to participate would be deemed a public safety risk and would be relocated into isolation facilities. Once in those facilities they would be given two options, participate in the debt forgiveness program and be released, or stay indefinitely in the isolation facility under the classification of a serious public health risk and have all their assets seized.

      So as you can imagine after hearing all of this it turned into quite the heated discussion and escalated beyond anything I’ve ever witnessed before. In the end it was implied by the PMO that the whole agenda will move forward no matter who agrees with it or not. That it wont just be Canada but in fact all nations will have similar roadmaps and agendas.

      That we need to take advantage of the situations before us to promote change on a grander scale for the betterment of everyone. The members who were opposed and ones who brought up key issues that would arise from such a thing were completely ignored. Our opinions and concerns were ignored. We were simply told to just do it.

      All I know is that I don’t like it and I think its going to place Canadians into a dark future.

      Vancouver, Canada· Posted October 14

      • Bei Dawei says:

        Ah yes, the “Protocols of the Elders of Ottawa.” Looks like the plan is running behind schedule. Not that it ever made much sense in the first place.

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          the Protocols Of Ottawa Plan… it’s POOP!

          the “schedule” seems to run into Q3 2021, so we may have to endure this for quite a few more months.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          My 2021 resolution is not to engage in discussions with I_ _ _ _s…

          Batting 1000 so far.

          • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

            well, we now know that you don’t talk to yourself. 😉

            *rim shot*

            and F-a-s-t is not how to spell Foil.

            I guess spellcheck doesn’t work for that.

            just kidding!

          • Bei Dawei says:

            It took me a minute to figure out what the word was. If you must know, I am m_______d.

  32. Ed says:

    State surveyor shoots new offshore seismic

    Oil exploration banned under Antarctic Treaty

    Rosgeologia pegs oil potential at over 500 billion barrels


    500 billion barrels that is worth going for!

    • Minority Of One says:

      What is the logic of trying to get oil out from Antarctica if it costs say $300/barrel to do so?.

      • People who think energy prices can rise endlessly include extremely remote resources in their calculations of likely CO2 impact from fossil fuels. Coal under the North Sea is included in the calculation, for example. As long as you mind is fixated on “energy prices will rise endlessly,” any resource, no matter how remote, looks good.

  33. Yoshua says:

    The Book of the Law

    I find it beautiful!

    The Universe is a Goddess. The energy that puts the Universe in motion is a God.

    Their union creates life. Life must conquer the Universe.

    The religion is scientific.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      our species is the life which is aware that life evolved in the universe.

      humans are the parts of the universe that know there is a universe, and know that they are evolved parts of the universe.

      yes we are one with the universe.

      yes it is quite beautiful.

    • Bei Dawei says:

      Are you reading Crowley again? Try his poem “Leah Sublime.”

  34. Ed says:

    The south pole might have oil. What do you think?

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      good chance that it does.

      so when oil gets to $1,000 per barrel, the exploration will begin in earnest.

      (sarc y’all, lots of sarc).

    • Bei Dawei says:

      The north pole might have coal. Santa leaves some in your stocking if you’re bad.

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        yes, and both polar regions have lots of hydrogen within all the ice and snow.

        why, there might be enough hydrogen there to power IC for many decades.

      • doomphd says:

        no, but the south pole has coal, in the Transantarctic Mountains. R. F. Scott brought back some of the first samples.

    • Robert Firth says:

      John Taine (pen name of Eric Temple Bell) “The Greatest Adventure” has Antarctica almost swimming with oil. And live dinosaurs. Probably his worst science fiction novel.

  35. U.N. Chief Guterres Pushes ‘Global Vaccination Plan’

    U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres on Wednesday demanded a global vaccination plan, coordinated and funded by G20 governments, to counter what he called the “widely uneven and unfair” distribution of coronavirus vaccines.

    Speaking before the U.N. Security Council in a virtual meeting, Guterres said the recent rollout of vaccines has given hope to the world but 10 countries account for 75 percent of all vaccines while more than 130 nations have yet to receive a single dose.

    “At this critical moment, vaccine equity is the biggest moral test before the global community,” he said. “We must ensure that everybody, everywhere, can be vaccinated as soon as possible.

    “The world urgently needs a global vaccination plan to bring together all those with the required power, scientific expertise and production and financial capacities.”

  36. Masked drivers BANNED from wearing sunglasses & hats, Germany’s Saxony state says

    Drivers must still be identifiable by traffic cameras, even when they follow existing health protocols and wear masks, a new rule in Germany’s eastern region says.

    According to the Bild newspaper, Saxony became the first region in Germany to ban hats and sunglasses on masked drivers.

    “Wearing a hat and sunglasses in addition to a mask that covers the face and mouth makes [the driver] unrecognizable. So that’s not allowed,” Saxony’s Interior Minister Roland Woller said.

  37. Duncan Idaho says:

    “BBC radio last night reported Texans were burning their furniture to stay warm. ”

    Why not just go to Cancun like Cruz?

    But seriously, this is a disaster– hoping the best for our friends in Texas.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      ‘Why not just go to Ikea?’

      (I supposed that Cancun is the name of a domestic furniture store.)

    • JesseJames says:

      It is a disaster for Texas. The Tx state legislature passed a law 8-10 yrs back requiring all utilities to be winterized. ERCOT has admitted that, rather than inspect all power regulators, as they were required to do, they blamed COVID and instead did phone interviews last year, but only had the online interviews with 18% of all power generators, of which there are 600 or so. So they seriously failed to do their job.

      In my opinion manslaughter charges should be filed against the senior management, due to the deaths that have occurred.

      4 yrs ago, During a brief period of being unemployed, I applied for a position at ERCOT, …did not get a look at all from them. If I were working for ERCOT now, I would be ashamed to be associated with them.

      • Bei Dawei says:

        Isn’t ERCOT part of Disneyland?

      • Hello World says:

        A lot of organizations are like this.
        This was one of the few times they were caught.
        It is way too costly for every business to plan for every possibility so they don’t.
        As with 9/11
        and the Wuhan Flu, I’m sure they will try to make up for not making any preparations by overreacting.

        ” If I were working for ERCOT now, I would be ashamed to be associated with them.” Right, as if normal workers have a final say on management decisions on capital expenses. Only a collectivist would .feel guilty by association–who constantly think the actions of a group they’re part of is a personal reflection of who they are as a person, imo.

  38. 14.5M Canadians to be immunized by June, updated vaccination timeline shows

    The timeline still shows that millions of Canadians will be waiting until sometime between July and September to receive their vaccines, with enough doses of Moderna and Pfizer alone to complete Canada’s mass vaccination effort.

    With those two vaccines alone, 42 million Canadians will be vaccinated by the end of September.

    If additional vaccines are able to be used, the country will have enough doses to vaccinate all 38 million Canadians more than twice over, with expected access to enough shots to immunize 79 million people.

    • Diesel demand dropped by 9% in the first half of February compared to a year ago. Diesel is the fuel of trucks and heavy industry. This is an enormous drop.

    • I imagine is what is happening is that gasoline stores are being sold off, rather than more oil being pumped, because future oil prices are expected to be lower than today.

  39. Legality of ‘no jab, no job’ recruitment confirmed

    It is legal for businesses to insist on new employees being vaccinated as a condition of their employment, the justice secretary has said.

    In an interview with ITV on Wednesday, Robert Buckland said only enlisting new staff once they had been inoculated was possible if it was written into their contracts.

  40. UK companies look to make Covid-19 vaccinations mandatory

    British companies are looking to draw up “no jab, no job” contracts for employees, as the government admitted that it was “up to businesses” if they wanted workers or customers to hold coronavirus vaccination passports.

    Law firms said some companies, ranging from UK care-home operators to large multinational groups, were considering employment contracts requiring new and existing staff to have vaccinations once Britain’s adult population has been offered jabs.

  41. Vatican employees could lose their jobs for refusing COVID vaccine

    Rome — The Vatican has taken a hard line against employees who refuse to be vaccinated for COVID-19, warning they risk losing their jobs.

    According to a decree by Cardinal Giuseppe Bertello, whose role as President of the Pontifical Commission for Vatican City State makes him the territory’s top administrator, employees who refuse the vaccine “without proven health reasons” face penalties that can include “the interruption of the work relationship.”

  42. New York City waitress fired after not getting the Covid-19 vaccine

    Jacobson, 34, said her manager initially understood her concerns and told her that getting vaccinated was not required.

    But days later, the tavern changed course and on Feb. 12 workers received an email stating that vaccinations were mandatory.

    “Please be advised that we will require that all employees receive the vaccination,” the email, which Jacobson provided to NBC News, said.

  43. Duncan Idaho says:

    As you know, Texas’ unregulated free market electrical system has had a hard time doing what electrical systems are supposed to do—supplying electricity.

    D3? Everyday, for sure, but the data on SARS is not there.
    But so many humans are deficient.

  44. Nehemiah says:

    The price of crude oil rose in overnight trading as investors reacted to the latest inventories data by the American Petroleum Institute (API). The data revealed that the number of inventories declined by another 5.8 million barrels. This was a sharper decrease compared to the previous week’s 3.5 million barrels. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) will publish its latest inventories numbers later today. The price of oil has also risen because of the ongoing cold season in Texas and the strike in a Norwegian port.

  45. Tim Groves says:

    Is there a correlation between testing for and dying from Covid-19?
    And if so, is there a possibility of the test causing the disease?

    – – – –

    Months after becoming the first country in the world to test its entire population, Slovakia now has the highest coronavirus death rate in the world.

    The nation currently has the highest seven-day rolling average of daily COVID deaths per 1 million people in its population compared with any other country.

    As of 15 February, there were 17.82 new daily coronavirus deaths per 1 million people, according to Our World in Data.

    This was followed by Portugal with 14.81, Montenegro with 12.63, San Marino with 12.63 and Czechia with 12.23.

    The UK, which has seen more than 117,000 deaths since the pandemic began, came in sixth with 9.70 deaths per million as of 15 February.

    It comes after Slovakia tested its entire population in October as part of a scheme that was widely praised and was understood to have brought down infections.


    • Ed says:

      My vote, winter time little exposure to sun light causing low vitamin D levels causing high CV19 rate. They are doing a second round of national testing. I suggest instead they test for vitamin D level nationally and hand out vitamin D supplements.

    • I noticed the death rate for Slovakia was incredibly high as well.

      Bringing people together for testing could, in theory, have contributed to the spread, I suppose, but I don’t know how it was done.

      The ratio of fatalities to reported cases seems to be very high, even though reporting would likely to be high, if everyone is tested. I am wondering if treatment in Slovakia is not very good. Or if people in Slovakia are in unusually poor health to begin with.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        PCR tests are garbage… they are used because the Elders WANT high Covid + so they can order the MSM to use those numbers to frighten the MORE ONS into locking down and begging for the Trojan Horse ‘Vaccine’…

        When you have epic false Covid +’s…. and you count everyone who dies with Covid as dying FROM Covid…. then obviously you are going to end up with epic numbers of Covid deaths.

        I won’t bother to pull up the reference but as we have seen from a number of data sets — deaths from the usual killers such as heart disease and cancer — have fallen off a cliff… have people stopped dying from those disease? — nope — they are just being classified as Covid deaths…

        So it should be no surprise that Slovakia has the highest covid death rates per capita.

        This a MONUMENTAL LIE — it dwarfs the WMD and 911 lies.

        Get your Covid Vaccines… red hot Covid Vaccines… Free for Everyone … Get your Covid Vaccines!

        Why even bother to warn the MORE ONS…. they should be encouraged.. the next time anyone raises this I will not say I won’t take an experimental jab… I’ll just say I can’t wait… I am so excited

    • VFatalis says:

      Slovakia is the first EU country to legalize ivermectin for covid treatment. If those figures stay high then you can conclude that MSM is purposedly lying to obfuscate the results.

  46. Mirror on the wall says:

    Spiked has an interesting if amusing article on the c 19 lockdown and what the author perceives as a shift in societal ‘values’ of civilizational proportions – the West has adopted the CCP ‘bureaucratic utilitarian’ approach to ‘rights’ rather than a ‘natural rights’ perspective.

    Obviously I considered the article to be a ridiculous dogmatism but it does clarify some topical concerns. Spiked has an ahistorical and dogmatic attachment to its own peculiar version of ‘liberaltarianism’. As such they represent a vividly crude ‘metaphysics’ that in any case tends to be the ‘elephant in the room’ of bourgeois discourse.

    > Why did we all copy China?

    In the UK a line was crossed when we enforced the first lockdown.

    History attests that the defeat of a civilisation involves not only its political eclipse, but also the collapse of its values…. It is clear, however, that a civilisation needs more than political continuity to survive a clash with a rival – it also needs to preserve the fundamental values that define it.

    …. Thus, China’s guiding ideology is a form of bureaucratic utilitarianism, which justifies any means if it promotes the end of material prosperity. While the ‘scientific outlook on development’ formulated by Hu Jintao makes human rights an important objective, these rights are viewed by the CCP as a gift of the state, not a possession that citizens can draw on to make claims against their government. The chilling calculus can justify atrocities like the oppression of the Uighurs: a million people spending a few months in concentration camps is nothing to the long-term happiness and prosperity of 1.4 billion. Jeremy Bentham, the systematiser of the utilitarian theory of maximising pleasure at all costs, for whom natural rights were ‘nonsense on stilts’, would surely see the point.

    The once unbridgeable gap between China and the West therefore lies in our defence of non-consequentialist constraints on collective action: here, there are things the state may not do, no matter how much development, prosperity or comfort they might create.

    The West’s embrace of lockdown has shattered this distinction. Professor Neil Ferguson – the champion of lockdown who broke the rules to conduct an affair with a married woman – gave an extraordinary interview to The Times last December, in which he described despairing, at the beginning of the pandemic, that Europeans would never accept China’s ‘innovative intervention in pandemic control’ (Ferguson’s term for nationwide house arrest). Suddenly, as panic spread and deepened, the professor realised that a new world had dawned. People and governments had been brought to a point that ‘opens up vistas of possibilities’ for hitherto unthinkable state action.

    And so it was written. Nothing is now unthinkable. The difference between China’s bureaucratic totalitarianism and our own is now a matter of degree, not kind.

    …. Civil liberties safeguarded during two world wars are now, as they are in China, gifts of the state.


    • Mirror on the wall says:

      The obvious objections to ‘natural rights’ would seem to be:

      They have no ontological basis beyond the desire or imagination of persons. That is, they do not really exist.

      They are unverifiable. That is, they are made up.

      There is no consensus about whether they exist. That is, they are a matter of opinion.

      They are proffered variously. That is, they are a matter of contention.

      There is no way to settle the dispute about what is and is not a right. That is, they are anyone’s guess.

      They are historically relative. That is, they are unstable. (The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate.)

      They are one way among others of interpreting situations. That is, they are perspectival.

      Their exercise is liable to be contrary to the ‘common good’ and to the ‘good of persons’ as variously conceived. That is, they are a two-edged sword.

      None of that implies that ‘natural rights’ are a ‘bad thing’ or that there are ‘better ways’ of looking at society. That is, after all, a matter of opinion.

      • Lidia17 says:

        “Rights” are only what you can maintain by force, or what other people are willing to concede to you.

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          That seems to be a realistic and reasonable interpretation of the facts. Pretending otherwise seems to just be a strategy of the same.

        • Robert Firth says:

          “Covenants, without the sword, are but words and of no strength to secure a man at all.”

          Thomas Hobbes (1588 to 1679), “Leviathan”

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Moreover, the concern for ‘rights’ seems to assume that the material conditions of their fulfilment prevail. Arguably they are predicated on a situation of relative ‘plenty’ that allows society to function in that manner.

        The matter is liable to be considered very differently after collapse. The ‘right’ to life is not likely to mean much when there is not enough to go around.

        Not that it means that much today. The UN estimates that 25,000 persons die per day from hunger and related causes.


        Our manifold ‘rights’ are liable to be considered frankly laughable in the future.

        ‘The right to say what I like! The right to not be offended!’

        • Matteo says:

          great thread @Mirror!

          Obviously human and political rights are fictions, social constructions, conventions. As you point out, they are fully context-dependent.

          Harari describes the situation well when he says that societies manage to organise the collaboration of strangers that have no blood relations on a large scale, thanks to a social technology called “religion”. This religion is a thingy that enters a person’s head and becomes the lens through which the brain decides what is “real” and what is not, in order to guide action.
          For example, to a medieval knight from a noble family, the Christian paradise was real and worth going into battle for (and die of a horrible death).
          He says today’s religion is humanism, of which the various 20th century ideologies are just different versions. In humanism the god is the individual and collective action is organised around it: rights are individual, individual choices determine market outcomes via purchases and who governs via elections.

          He predicts that humanism will give way to “dataism”.
          In a way it is happening with the COVID measures, if you think that now your right to see your family, move around, shop, breathe fresh air is indirectly tied to some quantitative indicators the government looks at.

          However, in hindsight, I think the actual religion being forged is “scientism”. A supposed “truth” – sanctioned by the high priests (scientific community) and their organised churches – regulates what is real and determines what rights can be exercised, but also what people are allowed to discuss and think.
          This religion crushes life and mind, because these two things, which ultimately are expressions of the consciousness of the universe, lie in the blind spot of the science used as a basis for scientism.

          Of course, as in the past, religion doesn’t just grow organically. It is an outgrowth of social stratification (surplus-based growth in complexity) and therefore it serves power, it keeps the power structures and hierarchies in place. It is inevitable because enabling complexity and organisation is the function of this social technology in the first place (https://economicsfromthetopdown.com/2021/02/09/living-the-good-life-in-a-non-growth-world-investigating-the-role-of-hierarchy-part-2/).

          All of this however points to a qualifier to what you say about rights not being “real”. Humans live in a socially constructed reality, not in the real world. It’s a highly symbolic simulation shared across individuals, but that works also internally to individuals, enabled by our neocortex. For millions of years our survival depended in deeply adhering to the beliefs of our tribe. Acting accordingly to the tribal beliefs was the single most important factor behind survival and reproduction. This is why we ain’t getting rid of the COVID bullshit no matter how much evidence against it. Humans act accordingly to a collective Matrix, which to some extent can be shaped from the top-down, and in turn their actions do shape the real world in the image of the day’s Matrix. The Egyptians did build pyramids and the Germans did build concentration camps and panzers, regardless of whether the motives behind those actions are “true” or “false”.

          • Ed says:

            No, the new religion is money/power not science. Really a return to the old normal.

            • Matteo says:

              Ed I don’t understand the “No” at the beginning of your post because nothing that comes after it contradicts my post. You even put a slash between money and power, clarifying how money can be an expression of power 😀

            • Ed says:

              Agree, we are both saying rule by a powerful yet arbitrary elite. Whatever cover story they give “the truth” which we must agree with or risk of arbitrary punishment of any kind they choose even death.

            • Matteo says:

              Actually digging deeper, JK Galbraith, Anatomy of Power.

              Three ways by which power is enforced:
              1. threat and/or reality of punishment (stick)
              2. compensation (carrot)
              3. persuasion/appeal to belief (conditioned power).

              This really explain why number 3 (religion, today: scientism) is popular. It is less expensive, more pervasive and effective, but as we are seeing 3 alone is not enough, it needs to be mixed and stirred with a bit of 1.

            • Ed says:

              The religious foundation of the west dead both Judaism and Christianity. The Magna Carta limiting the despot dead. The reformation dead. The enlightenment dead and gone. Brutal power and slavery the new norm.

            • Ed says:


              Or in sky talk

              Money #2
              Ideology #3
              Coercion #1
              Ego #3

            • Duncan Idaho says:

              The next time you step on an aircraft, you have just bet your life on science.
              I chuckle when I hear these arguments.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Science is just the verification of an idea, while validation is that idea under the scrutiny of the universe.

              I doubt Kelly Johnson and team did much “science” in their minds, when they went on to sketch the outline of a SR-71. When something seems awesome, it is quite possibly close to the truth.

              Liberty, in the natural sense, is that which is mandated by Mother Earth to carry evolution. Draconian measures to control people, by its very nature is directly in contradiction to this, and producing shallow mirror surfaces, copies, of “persons”.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              “Liberty, in the natural sense, is that which is mandated by Mother Earth to carry evolution.”

              One has to be careful not to project one’s own social conditioning, to at least profess approval of ‘liberty’, onto nature.

              It seems that all animal societies have dominance hierarchies that contribute to the survival and fitness of the species. Dominance allows the animals that are stronger and possess greater organisational capacities to access resources and to breed. Brains are wired toward social dominance and some brains more so than others.

              Humans live in particularly large societies these days. Post-collapse it seems likely that social groups will again be smaller and that may increase the scope for the play of dominance dynamics, which Western liberal industrial capitalism perhaps suppresses. Perhaps the ‘key’ to regain the evolutionary path is not bourgeois fake ‘liberty’ but such scope. Who knows?


            • Kowalainen says:

              Mirror, humans “dominate” each other the best by leading with example and skill. This is superior for a tool making and agricultural (technological) species where “raw” survival hasn’t been part of the equation since climbing down from the trees and taking on life’s journey to foot.

              We survive the best when doing shit that isn’t directly beneficial for survival, i.e. delayed gratification by technological omnipotence.

              For example some tech savvy dude or dudette writing software for controlling a combine, then going to the supermarket buying bread.

              Of course that software guy wouldn’t hold a candle in a herd like (hierarchical) competitive setting with people jousting for positions in some shitty ass organization. Been there, seem that. Rolled my eyes and cringed at the back stabbing, brown nosing and maneuvering. Shallow people dictated by the limbic system. Hated it. 🤢🤮

              Wanna gain my acceptance, prove it. Talk is cheap, show me the code.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              “Hated it.”

              Yes, I agree with you on that one, professional social groups are just awful. One has to be an ars/hole or an idi/t to even want to spend all one’s days within them. Non-professional social groups are frankly trying enough. I am with Timothy Leary on that one, reclaim the activity of one’s own ‘nerve endings’.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Mirror, right.

              It isn’t easy finding humans that can deliver delight spawned from the cognitive processes. They certainly holds true in most social settings, and online, oh boy.. 😳

              Worst part is the never ending steam of the last idiot, of which most aren’t even born yet.

              I surely have to switch on my filters to mute out most truth for the BS I have to relate to. The gradual approach seem tractable. Notch the filters down gradually and acceptance follows without flat denial and emotional overflow.

              The myopia of the ordinary (IC BAU) is extremely compelling. The ultimate smoke and mirrors causing infinite confusion and misunderstandings about the objective reality of things and events. Nothing with some form of cognitive processes are immune to this phenomenon.

              “Reclaim your nerve endings” 👍

      • Country Joe says:

        The only God Given Right is the right to be something else’s dinner.

    • Nehemiah says:

      Civil liberties were definitely not safeguarded during WW1. There were terrible abuses.
      Ditto during the “Civil” War. Lincoln arbitrarily threw dissenters, even high ranking government officials, in prison at his personal discretion (even though the Confederacy posed no threat to the continuance of the US government, since their only objective was to leave it, not to overthrow it). There were some infringements of civil liberties in WW2 as well, but not as much.

      Civil liberties are also routinely infringed during epidemics, and it has nothing to do with China or Communism. For example:
      Here’s Willrich’s description of steps taken during a New York outbreak in 1901:

      They followed the same method on each block. With policemen stationed on the roofs, at the front doors, and in the backyards, doctors and police entered the tenements and rapped on doors, rousing men, women, and children. Frightened and furious, the residents moved into the lighted areas, where doctors inspected their faces for pocks and their arms for the mark of vaccination. . . . Everyone lacking a good mark had to submit to vaccination.
      Henning Jacobson was a Swedish-born Lutheran minister in Cambridge, Massachusetts, who refused to comply with the town’s mandatory vaccination order during a moderate epidemic. Found guilty of “the crime of refusing vaccination,” rather than pay the $5 fine levied against those who did not submit, Jacobson appealed his conviction, first to Middlesex County Superior Court, then to the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, and finally to the U.S. Supreme Court, claiming that the compulsory vaccination law “violated . . . the ‘spirit of the Constitution.’” Jacobson maintained that he had experienced “great and extreme suffering” when he had been vaccinated as a child in Sweden, and that one of his children had also experienced adverse effects when vaccinated, so he was convinced that some hereditary condition made smallpox vaccine hazardous for his family.
      The court’s 7–2 decision in favor of Massachusetts’s compulsory vaccination law became, and remains, a hallmark of progressive jurisprudence. Justice John Marshall Harlan stated in his opinion that

      Society based on the rule that each one is a law unto himself would soon be confronted with disorder and anarchy. Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others.

      The decision did, however, put some limitations on police power,–end quote

      • MM says:

        I must ask:
        If the covid19 vaccine is not sterile, aka a vaccinated can “transmit” the virus, any social argument fails.
        Well, that should not be of any concern for mandatory vaccination plans of course.
        We all understand that this “excersise” will trod on regardless what “argument” you put on the table…

        • Xabier says:

          The policies being implemented by so many governments are completely teflon-proofed against any real science input – highly qualified and authoritative experts who dissent from the narrative are still marginalised or slandered.

          They are following The Science (TM) which serves their ulterior motives – financial, economic and social – very well indeed.

          No uncomfortable facts will be allowed to interfere with this drive.to a new order and the digital-prison society.

          The one consolation in this nightmare is that a complete civilisational collapse is certain to end their vile day dreams and the enslaved society they envisage.

          They have arrived at the wrong solution to the wrong problem, and far too late in the day at that, and reality will find them out.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            I am gratified that the captains go down with ship … perhaps that’s what they really mean when they say we are all in this together…

          • Tim Groves says:

            I’ve been cursing Tony Blair ever since he presided over Princess Diana’s funeral. But alas, it’s only made him stronger. Now I hear that the weasel is advising Boris on what sort of rewards and punishment scheme to dish out to the Great British public. Dark times indeed.

            • Xabier says:

              It shows how insensitive they really are to public opinion, bringing Blair out as a ‘vaccine champion’ for the UK.

              In the same way, new ideas to save the planet from Bill Gates every few days is proving somewhat counter-productive.

              None of it very subtle. Even idiots are starting to wake up a bit.

              Or is it that they can’t bear not to let us know who is in charge now, just what they intend to do to us?

              Is it merely a form of sadism, parading these creeps before us, telling us that this is our fate now?

          • MM says:

            What a bummer!

            “They have arrived at the wrong solution to the wrong problem”

          • Ed says:

            The Great Collapse destroying The Great Reset does make me happy.

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              though some surviving tin foil types will never stop insisting that the GR would have definitely happened if only the collapse had not come first.

    • Hello, World We're Going To Mars says:

      20 years later after 9/11, i can safely say the “terrorists” have won.
      The West is slowly but surely abandoning its “values”. This didn’t begin one year ago. It began twenty years ago. The legal framework was laid out then to make inalienable rights alienable.

      It’s likely that we have finally hit that peak, everyone has been talking about in the comments section for years and this is part of the managed descent.

      But, hey, at least we’re tanding robots on Mars. How cool is that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfveEbxxnzk

      • Matteo says:

        Super cool (literally!) …https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Mars#Temperature

        @Duncan Idaho: the fact that you can step on a plane does not change the fact that the plane and commercial aviation are the fruits of a very particular world view, a self-destructive and short-lived one. If technology was not based on reductionist thinking many people would regard the idea of large scale commercial aviation as a no go. Scientism, not science, makes the idea sound legitimate.

        • Duncan Idaho says:

          True, but it has nothing to do what we were talking about–
          thermodynamics (science).
          (I chuckle even more as the subject is avoided)

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      We seem to be broadly agreed that ‘natural rights’ are made up, which does not necessarily make them a ‘bad thing’. Perhaps the same could be said about religions.

      Nietzsche argues that all of morality is made up but it is expressive of physiological conditions. The ‘key’ is for societies to adopt a morality (and/ or a religion) that promotes physiologically ascending types – which seems pretty close to saying that we should fake ‘natural rights’.

      > You are aware of my demand upon philosophers, that they should take up a stand Beyond Good and Evil — that they should have the illusion of the moral judgment beneath them. This demand is the result of a point of view which I was* the first to formulate: that there are no such things as moral facts. Moral judgment has this in common with the religious one, that it believes in realities which are not real. Morality is only an interpretation of certain phenomena: or, more strictly speaking, a misinterpretation of them. Moral judgment, like the religious one, belongs to a stage of ignorance in which even the concept of reality, the distinction between real and imagined things, is still lacking: so that truth, at such a stage, is applied to a host of things which to-day we call “imaginary.” That is why the moral judgment must never be taken quite literally: as such it is sheer nonsense. As a sign code, however, it is invaluable: to him at least who knows, it reveals the most valuable facts concerning cultures and inner conditions, which did not know enough to “understand” themselves. Morality is merely a sign-language, simply symptomatology: one must already know what it is all about in order to turn it to any use. – The Improvers of Mankind, TOTI.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        * I fancy that Sextus Empiricus, David Hume and even Marx may have got there first.

      • Kowalainen says:

        Delaying that which has to be done only incurs more grief and suffering – for longer. Any idea of true morality is of course based on innate (evolutionary) characteristics, however mixed up by influences from near and afar.

        Then of course it is the matter of deciding what is desirable. Perhaps herding around gullible sheeple is beneficial compared with enduring the savagery of wolf packs. In which case I throw in my towel and accept it as is. “Enjoy” the sheeple. Cya. 🤣👍

        • Mirror on the wall says:


          The gullible sheep, as irritating as they may be, have their use to keep one safe and snug – like a blanky?

          You sheep! : )

          • Kowalainen says:

            Nice one Mirror. Right. 🤣👍

            As long as I am not the cannon fodder sheep.

            Oh wait, something just occurred to me. Oh noes..


    • Artleads says:

      I’ve sometimes heard the phrase: the hollowing out of America by large international corporations. These corporations thus have no loyalty to the nation, and think they can deal with China to their advantage. But in China, there IS loyalty to the nation along with the goal of global dominance. That leaves America a bleeding, pitiful hulk that won’t/can’t help others to help it. It sits by and watches China take over the world.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Is it really possible to speak of USA (or Britain now) as a ‘nation’? Perhaps a more accurate phrase would be an ‘economic society’ as the societies are human conglomerations of disparate ethnic origins? I am not arguing that society should be this way or that way but simply alluding to the correct use of language.

        It seems truer to say that modern Western economic states are not nations and the word seems to be used as an undue trapping, an unwarranted decorative aspect. Perhaps our societies should have the courage to speak of themselves in honest language. Otherwise the meaning of the word is entirely reversed.

        nation (n.)

        c. 1300, nacioun, “a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language,” from Old French nacion “birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland” (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) “birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe,” literally “that which has been born,” from natus, past participle of nasci “be born” (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- “give birth, beget,” with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.


      • Ed says:

        Art, you are right their is no one who cares about the US. They just care about their Swiss bank accounts. China wins end of story. Of course FF runs out and nobody wins. But for one brief shining moment China ruled the world.

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