We live in a world where words are very carefully chosen. Companies hire public relations firms to give just the right “spin” to what they are saying. Politicians make statements which suggest that everything is going well. Newspapers would like their advertisers to be happy; they certainly won’t suggest that the automobile you purchase today may be of no use to you in five years.
I believe that what has happened in recent years is that the “truth” has become very dark. We live in a finite world; we are rapidly approaching limits of many kinds. For example, there is not enough fresh water for everyone, including agriculture and businesses. This inadequate water supply is now tipping over into inadequate food supply in quite a few places because irrigation requires fresh water. This problem is, in a sense, an energy problem, because adding more irrigation requires more energy supplies used for digging deeper wells or making desalination plants. We are reaching energy scarcity issues not too different from those of World War I, World War II and the Depression Era between the wars.
We now live in a strange world filled with half-truths, not too different from the world of the 1930s. US newspapers leave out the many stories that could be written about rising food insecurity around the world, and even in the US. We see more reports of conflicts among countries and increasing gaps between the rich and the poor, but no one explains that such changes are to be expected when energy consumption per capita starts falling too low.
The majority of people seem to believe that all of these problems can be fixed simply by increasingly taxing the rich and using the proceeds to help the poor. They also believe that the biggest problem we are facing is climate change. Very few are even aware of the food scarcity problems occurring in many parts of the world already.
Our political leaders started down the wrong path long ago, when they chose to rely on economists rather than physicists. The economists created the fiction that the economy could expand endlessly, even with falling energy supplies. The physicists understood that the economy requires energy for growth, but didn’t really understand the financial system, so they weren’t in a position to explain which parts of economic theory were incorrect. Even as the true story becomes increasingly clear, politicians stick to their belief that our only energy problem is the possibility of using too much fossil fuel, with the result of rising world temperatures and disrupted weather patterns. This can be interpreted as a relatively distant problem that can be corrected over a fairly long future period.
In this post, I will explain why it appears to me that, right now, we are dealing with an energy problem as severe as that which seems to have led to World War I, World War II, and the Great Depression. We really need a solution to our energy problems right now, not in the year 2050 or 2100. Scientists modeled the wrong problem: a fairly distant energy problem which would be associated with high energy prices. The real issue is a very close-at-hand energy shortage problem, associated with relatively low energy prices. It should not be surprising that the solutions scientists have found are mostly absurd, given the true nature of the problem we are facing.
[1] There is a great deal of confusion with respect to which energy problem we are dealing with. Are we dealing with a near-at-hand problem featuring inadequate prices for producers or a more distant problem featuring high prices for consumers? It makes a huge difference in finding a solution, if any.
Business leaders would like us to believe that the problem to be concerned with is a fairly distant one: climate change. In fact, this is the problem most scientists are working on. There is a common misbelief that fossil fuel prices will jump to high levels if they are in short supply. These high prices will allow the extraction of a huge amount of coal, oil and natural gas from the ground. The rising prices will also allow high-priced alternatives to become competitive. Thus, it makes sense to start down the long road of trying to substitute “renewables” for fossil fuels.
If business leaders had stopped to look at the history of coal depletion, they would have discovered that expecting high prices when energy limits are encountered is incorrect. The issue that really happens is a wage problem: too many workers discover that their wages are too low. Indirectly, these low-wage workers need to cut back on purchases of goods of many types, including coal to heat workers’ homes. This loss of purchasing power tends to hold coal prices down to a level that is too low for producers. We can see this situation if we look at the historical problems with coal depletion in the UK and in Germany.
Coal played an outsized role in the time leading up to, and including, World War II.
History shows that as early coal mines became depleted, the number of hours of labor required to extract a given amount of coal tended to rise significantly. This happened because deeper mines were needed, or mines were needed in areas where there were only thin coal seams. The problem owners of mines experienced was that coal prices did not rise enough to cover their higher labor costs, related to depletion. The issue was really that prices fell too low for coal producers.
Owners of mines found that they needed to cut the wages of miners. This led to strikes and lower coal production. Indirectly, other coal-using industries, such as iron production and bread baking, were adversely affected, leading these industries to cut jobs and wages, as well. In a sense, the big issue was growing wage disparity, because many higher-wage workers and property owners were not affected.
Today, the issue we see is very similar, especially when we look at wages worldwide, because markets are now worldwide. Many workers around the world have very low wages, or no wages at all. As a result, the number of workers worldwide who can afford to purchase goods that require large amounts of oil and coal products for their manufacture and operation, such as vehicles, tends to fall. For example, peak sales of private passenger automobile, worldwide, occurred in 2017. With fewer auto sales (as well as fewer sales of other high-priced goods), it is difficult to keep oil and coal prices high enough for producers. This is very similar to the problems of the 1914 to 1945 era.
Everything that I can see indicates that we are now reaching a time that is parallel to the period between 1914 and 1945. Conflict is one of the major things that a person would expect because each country wants to protect its jobs. Each country also wants to add new jobs that pay well.
In a period parallel to the 1914 to 1945 period, we can also expect pandemics. This happens because the many poor people often cannot afford adequate diets, making them more susceptible to diseases that are easily transmitted. In the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918-1919, more than 50 million people worldwide died. The equivalent number with today’s world population would be about 260 million. This hugely dwarfs the 3.2 million COVID-19 deaths around the world that we have experienced to date.
[2] If we look at growth in energy supply, relative to the growth in population, precisely the same type of “squeeze” is occurring now as was occurring in the 1914 to 1945 period. This squeeze particularly affects coal and oil supplies.
The chart above is somewhat complex. It looks at how quickly energy consumption has been growing historically, over ten-year periods (sum of red and blue areas). This amount is divided into two parts. The blue area shows how much of this growth in energy consumption was required to provide food, housing and transportation to the growing world population, based on the standards at that time. The red area shows how much growth in energy consumption was “left over” for growth in the standard of living, such as better roads, more vehicles, and nicer homes. Note that GDP growth is not shown in the chart. It likely corresponds fairly closely to total energy consumption growth.
Figure 3, below, shows energy consumption by type of fuel between 1820 and 2010. From this, it is clear that the world’s energy consumption was tiny back in 1820, when most of the world’s energy came from burned biomass. Even at that time, there was a huge problem with deforestation.
Clearly, the addition of coal, starting shortly after 1820, allowed huge changes in the world economy. But by 1910, this growth in coal consumption was flattening out, leading quite possibly to the problems of the 1914-1945 era. The growth in oil consumption after World War II allowed the world economy to recover. Natural gas, hydroelectric and nuclear have been added in recent years, as well, but the amounts have been less significant than those of coal and oil.
We can see how coal and oil have dominated growth in energy supplies in other ways, as well. This is a chart of energy supplies, with a projection of expected energy supplies through 2021 based on estimates of the IEA’s Global Energy Review 2021.
Oil supplies became a problem in the 1970s. There was briefly a dip in the demand for oil supplies as the world switched from burning oil to the use of other fuels in applications where this could easily be done, such as producing electricity and heating homes. Also, private passenger automobiles became smaller and more fuel efficient. There has been a continued push for fuel efficiency since then. In 2020, oil consumption was greatly affected by the reduction in personal travel associated with the COVID-19 epidemic.
Figure 4, above, shows that world coal consumption has been close to flat since about 2012. This is also evident in Figure 5, below.
Figure 5 shows that coal production for the United States and Europe has been declining for a very long time, since about 1988. Before China joined the World Trade Organization (WTO) in 2001, its coal production grew at a moderate pace. After joining the WTO in 2001, China’s coal production grew very rapidly for about 10 years. In about 2011, China’s coal production leveled off, leading to the leveling of world coal production.
Figure 6 shows that recently, growth in the sum of oil and coal consumption has been lagging total energy consumption.
We can see from Figure 6 that the only recent time when oil and coal supplies grew faster than energy consumption in total was during a brief period between 2002 and 2007. More recently, oil and coal consumption has been increasingly lagging total energy consumption. For both coal and oil, the problem has been that low prices for producers cause producers to voluntarily drop out of coal or oil production. The reason for this is two-fold: (1) With less oil (or coal) production, perhaps prices might rise, making production more profitable, and (2) Unprofitable oil (or coal) production isn’t really satisfactory for producers.
When determining the required level of profitability for these fuels, there is a need to include the tax revenue that governments require in order to maintain adequate services. This is especially the case with oil exporters, but it is also true in general. Energy products, to be useful, produce an energy surplus that can be used to benefit the rest of the economy. The way that this energy surplus can be transferred to the rest of the economy is by paying relatively high taxes. These taxes allow changes that aid economic growth, such as improvements in roads and schools.
If energy prices are chronically too low (so that an energy product requires a subsidy, rather than paying taxes), this is a sign that the energy product is most likely an energy “sink.” Such a product acts in the direction of pulling the economy down through ever-lower productivity.
[3] Governments have chosen to focus on preventing climate change because, in theory, the changes that are needed to prevent climate change seem to be the same ones needed to cover the contingency of “running out.” The catch is that the indicated changes don’t really work in the scarcity situation we are already facing.
It turns out that the very fuels that we seem to be running out of (coal and oil) are the very ones most associated with high carbon dioxide emissions. Thus, focusing on climate change seems to please everyone. Those who were concerned that we could keep extracting fossil fuels for hundreds of years and, because of this, completely ruin the climate, would be happy. Those who were concerned about running out of fossil fuels would be happy, as well. This is precisely the kind of solution that politicians prefer.
The catch is that we used coal and oil first because, in a very real sense, they are the “best” fuels for our needs. All of the other fuels, even natural gas, are in many senses inferior. Natural gas has the problem that it is very expensive to transport and store. Also, methane, which makes up the majority of natural gas, is itself a gas that contributes to global warming. It tends to leak from pipelines and from ships attempting to transport it. Thus, it is doubtful that it is much better from a global warming perspective than coal or oil.
So-called renewable fuels tend to be very damaging to the environment in ways other than CO2 emissions. This point is made very well in the new book Bright Green Lies by Derrick Jensen, Lierre Keith and Max Wilbert. It makes the point that renewable fuels are not an attempt to save the environment. Instead, they are trying to save our current industrial civilization using approaches that tend to destroy the environment. Cutting down forests, even if new trees are planted in their place, is especially detrimental. Alice Friedemann, in her new book, Life after Fossil Fuels: A Reality Check on Alternative Fuels, points out the high cost of these alternatives and their dependence on fossil fuel energy.
We are right now in a huge scarcity situation which is starting to cause conflicts of many kinds. Even if there were a way of producing these types of alternative energy cheaply enough, they are coming far too late and in far too small quantities to make a difference. They also don’t match up with our current coal and oil uses, adding a layer of time and expense for conversion that needs to be included in any model.
[4] What we really have is a huge conflict problem due to inadequate energy supplies for today’s world population. The powers that be are trying to hide this problem by publishing only their preferred version of the truth.
The situation that we are really facing is one that often goes under the name of “collapse.” It is a problem that many civilizations have faced in the past when a given population has outgrown its resource base.
Needless to say, the issue of collapse is not a story any politician wants to tell its citizens. Instead, we are told over and over, “Everything is fine. Any energy problem will be handled by the solutions scientists are finding.” The catch is that scientists were not told the correct problem to solve. They were told about a distant problem. To make the problem easier to solve, high prices and subsidies seemed to be acceptable. The problem they were asked to solve is very different from our real energy problem today.
Many people think that taxing the rich and giving the proceeds to the poor can solve our problem, but this doesn’t really solve the problem for a couple of reasons. One of the issues is that our scarcity issue is really a worldwide problem. Higher taxation of the rich in a few rich countries does nothing for the many problems of poor people in countries such as Lebanon, Yemen, Venezuela and India. Furthermore, taking money from the rich doesn’t really fix scarcity problems. Rich people don’t really eat a vastly disproportionate amount of food or drink more water, for example.
A detail that most of us don’t think about is that the military of many different countries has been very much aware of the potential conflict situation that is now occurring. They are aware that a “hot war” would require huge use of fossil fuel energy, so they have been trying to find alternative approaches. One approach military groups have been working on is the use of bioweapons of various kinds. In fact, some groups might even contemplate starting a pandemic. Another approach that might be used is computer viruses to disrupt the systems of other countries.
Needless to say, the powers that be do not want the general population to hear about issues of these kinds. We find ourselves with narrower and narrower news reports that provide only the version of the truth that politicians and news media want us to read. Citizens who have developed the view, “All I need to do to find out the truth is read my home town newspaper,” are likely to encounter more and more surprises, as conflict situations escalate.
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In India crematories burn 25,000 bodies on a normal day. Today they report 2 to 4 times more bodies … So 25,000 to 75,000 die from Covid every day. With a mortality rate of 1% some 2,5 to 7,5 million are infected every day.
At this rate India will reach herd immunity within a year… only that herd immunity doesn’t exist for Corona viruses as they continue to mutate… and vaccines won’t change that… so?
If the mortality rate is really 2% (because of lack of treatment), then it will take twice as long to reach herd immunity. Except, as you said, this is far too slow, even at a 1% death rate.
It is interesting that none of the experts are explaining why Sweden has not achieved herd immunity… this ‘flu’ seems to never end.
Could be related to variants that result from attempts to lockdown the virus… and leaky vaccines…
Or maybe this is what the virus was engineered to do when they made it in the lab
I may ping Bossche on linked in and ask him to address this
Something perhaps appropriate to our interesting times, from a novel of 1930 about the crushing of the peasants in a very poor Italian village:
‘The peasants were bewildered. All the old little conspiracies which had made them miserable for centuries, but which they were used to, had disappeared and been replaced by just one big, terrifying, conspiracy.’
Of course the conspiracy is Fascism, which tells the villagers that it is making an exciting, new and better world for them, while cutting them off from their age-old water supply and shooting them when they object.
Klaus Schwab passed it on to me: said it he had to read it all through, it was such a page-turner…..
Of course, we can’t really get along without water. One of the big things energy supply gives us is water. It also gives us food using irrigation. All of the nonsense about getting along with much less energy misses this important point.
I fully concur Gail.
If you happen to have a fantasy financial system and deluded economic theories, – as we do – for a time and with artfully-prepared charts, it’s certainly possible to show ‘de-coupling’ and GDP ‘growth’ without energy consumption increases.
But, in the real world, energy gets everything done, and de-coupling is a delusion which should lead to any advocate being consigned to the mad house (although wouldn’t like being disturbed there and am fussy whom I mix with…)
A People’s Tragedy goes into great detail of how the peasants ripped faces off when the country unravelled… they engage in some of the most vile acts….
And people think peasants are the salt of the earth ….
Xabier … you have referenced similar with the salt of the earth peasants of Spain and issued words of wisdom for the likes of Tim Morgan who believe collapse will be an eternal Sunday market….
Well assume it was faked, then the muppets clearly overpromised and cranked the obnoxious narrative muppets to a solid 11 on the scale (of halfwitted muppetry) from negative infinity to 10.
Can’t back out of iron clad muppetry. The blowback would be enormous for the muppetry.
When shit looked dire; it was about time to call in the professionals. In enters Wernher, Stanley and the Russkies to sort out the fallout from dimwitted muppetry shenanigans.
https://youtu.be/B7UmUX68KtE
Repeat after me:
MUPPETS GONNA MUPPET!
W007!
🤣👍
Elon rips it at SNL, tells the world he’s got Aspergers.
Wow, who’d thought…
Keep on ripping! 🍿😳👍
Rocketry and electrification FTW. W007!
Forgot the link:
https://youtu.be/fCF8I_X1qKI
A show for Mothers’ Day, with his mother there.
Hoping you had a Wonderful 💞🎉💝 Mother’s Day yourself, Gail!
It has been a beautiful spring day here. I talked to my daughter in Boston this afternoon on the telephone, and my two sons are fixing dinner this evening. One of my sons bought a potted orchid plant for me for Mother’s Day.
How nice…you have a wonderful family…
Dmitry Orlov has an interview up.
part1
part 2
I feel that Dmitry has become too much a “Russia is best in World” shill. He explains why the world must decrease energy use of oil but then seems to indicate that it doesn’t apply to Russia.
His cherry on the cake is that Russia is perfecting nuke tech and will build 10 reactors a year in a decade or two. I find it strange that he doesn’t realise that electricity is not a diesel substitute and there is no replacement but I guess it is “Russia is best in world”.
He seems to have lost his way since writing the technosphere book.
Ah, the irony of a shill surfing high and wide on US MIC tech.
🤦♂️
He’s like RT. Often accurately describes problems in USA but not in Russia. Certainly Russia deserves plenty of criticism also. Orlov should live full time at his Russian property.
I haven’t listened to much of this yet. One thing that strikes me is the fact that Russia is one country that may very well benefit from climate change. Russia’s coal extraction has been increasing in recent years. Its natural gas and oil production were increasing through 2019. It does have nuclear capability in addition. It is not involved with the US crazy obsession with climate change, as far as I know.
On occasions have visited his blog and found two articles regarding “money” very worth reading. Doubt it would have been authored by a Western mindset due to enthrocentric
Fixation…
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2021/03/getting-hyperinflation-right.html
Some outtakes
My view is that hyperinflation is hardly a problem at all and that, quite the opposite, it is a solution to a great many pressing problems. Here we will look at hyperinflation as nature’s gentle way of solving the problems of a society that has forgotten how to live within its means. But nature needs help. Just as a radical weight loss program can go better given some input from an expert nutritionist, hyperinflation too has its best practices, which I am eager to impart.
There are a lot of historical examples of hyperinflation. The most ancient one occurred on the Arabian peninsula after Emperor Mansa Musa I of the Malian Empire made his pilgrimage to Mecca in 1324, in the course of which he handed out 71,000 pounds of freshly mined Malian gold. Since gold’s value is based on its scarcity, this rendered it all but worthless. But that is a unique case; all of the recent examples of hyperinflation featured piles of suddenly worthless paper money in ever more extravagant denominations.
….
People tend to see inflation as a negative and hyperinflation as a calamity of highest order. This prejudice needs to be overcome with the help of proper messaging supported by ad campaigns and mass reeducation efforts. People must become appreciative of the fact that nothing in this world is permanent and that everything we have ages and fades over time, from yoghurt in your refrigerator to money in your wallet. Just as freshly baked bread is better than day-old bread, freshly issued money is better than day-old money. This is natural and in harmony with the rest of the universe, which is rushing headlong in the direction of increasing entropy. Regular visual redesigns, presenting each major new issuance of money as an exciting new virtual world, would not only keep designers busy but could help make month-old money seem as unfashionable and unattractive as month-old half-eaten pizza.
…….
At present, central banks in the US and in Europe are on the job continuously injecting liquidity into the various stock markets to keep them looking pink and plump, but such blatant intervention tends to make the stock market look like a pyramid scheme, undermining confidence. Hyperinflation can help: once it arrives, stock prices will continue to look pink and plump no matter what else happens. Of course, they won’t be able to keep up with hyperinflation, but at least they will continue to go up, not down, instilling confidence in the economy, making stockholders feel happier than they would otherwise, creating a wealth effect that will help slow economic collapse.
With the choice of proper messaging and mass reeducation, it should be possible to inure people to the idea that money is no more durable than the things they buy with it, most of which are not durable at all and are often quite shoddy or outright disposable. After they get used to this new reality, they won’t mind it too much, provided the user interfaces of the online banking and electronic payment apps are slick enough to make the work of dealing with Everyday Higher Prices easy, convenient and fun
I feel better already, thank you Dimitri! The entire article is entertaining…
“more and better viruses are needed all the time”!!! To keep down gasoline and distillates down symmetrically.
Dmitry says Russia will have two thousand years of energy from depleted uranium that has already been minded. I am glad some country is planning ahead.
and thus solving the spent fuel problem?
Another article about the Slovak real estate market:
It states that the offer of the new flats is not satisfactory and that the demand is and will be high.
https://ekonomika.pravda.sk/ludia/clanok/586958-byty-tak-skoro-lacnejsie-nebudu-ceny-tlaci-hore-vysoky-zaujem-a-prinizka-ponuka/
How come that the rents are going down?
The answer is that there is a demand for cheap flats stimulated by the cheap loans, but THE CHEAP FLATS DO NOT EXIST ANYMORE!!!
Would you please elaborate on how cheap flats NOT existing causes rents to go down? Thanks.
There is a demand for flats, but for cheap flats, as the wages are low. If satisfying the demand falters, it means you have to wait in line, which means scarcity.
Some say that the problem is the lack of the cheap land for construction. But what is the cheap land for construction? A distant plot outside the reach of the energy networks? No. The costs of expanding the energy networks make the land suitable for construction. And that ceases to be cheap.
The rents go down, because the wages are low. You can stop investing into a house and it still operates for some time. Until it becomes uninhabitable.
But when you build a new house using a loan, you have to pay continually, although you can also decrase your installments. And spare some money for the modernization of the given house.
Just brainstorming Michael Crichton-style here…
It would be great if the birthrate in Africa, India en Brasil would decrease. If we could only convince the population to use contraceptives, such as the injectable contraceptive
https://www.your-life.com/en/contraception-methods/short-acting-contraception/contraceptive-injection/
and
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50640939
Is it a vaccine, or is it may-be-lline
Assume you reduce the population on earth by half. Then the remaining half would consume doubly as much.
How about this as a strategy for self entitled princesses of IC:
OATS AND CRANKING.
Yes indeed, oats, bicycles and trains. Now that is IC in its fundamental timeless essence. Why make simple shit complicated for no benefit? Right; I forgot the allure of:
MOAR!
🤔
Unlike some commenters on OFW, I appreciate Fast Eddy and others questioning explanations for noteworthy events in history, such as the Apollo moon landings. I haven’t seriously questioned the moon landings before. So I watched about 45 minutes of the “American Moon” film that Fast Eddy has linked to.
I thought most of the questions the narrator posed to be reasonable, and worthy of reasoned responses by moon landing believers. Unfortunately, many defenders of the moon landings respond like some commenters here, calling the skeptics names and not even attempting answers to legitimate questions. However, with a little searching online, I found what seems to be an excellent set of unemotional responses to the questions posed in the “American Moon” movie: https://www.reddit.com/r/SensibleSite/comments/eqfeqs/debunking_american_moon/
I think the responses neutralize virtually all of the questions posed in the movie. I still consider it very likely that the moon landings are real, based on my admittedly limited sampling of skeptics’ critiques. I’m open to changing my mind if there were other good evidence. The key for me is to see both (or more) sides to the matter in which those with different views deal directly with each other’s claims.
What makes the OFW comment section so valuable is the _free_ exchange of views. I am a scientist and the most important part of doing science is doubt, especially doubting one’s most cherished views. Sadly, very few scientists now practice doubt, and it’s led to many scientific and real world disasters, with the COVID hysteria a recent prominent example.
So thank you, Fast Eddy. I may not agree with you on the moon landings, at least for now, but your doubting spirit is exactly what we need more of in every aspect of life. In fact, those who believe in the logic and evidence of OFW have mustered doubt in the mainstream view of energy and resources. It’s a shame that we all can’t be more tolerant, if not welcoming, of doubt generally.
I never understood why NASA supposedly would have staged a hoax when it was so much easier merely to go to the moon.
Hands up who has been to the moon.
Is it easy?
You would think that if it was we would have bases all over it now fifty plus years later on from our first landing.
So many questions.
dearmoon.earth
Anybody else apply? This is that Yusaka Maezawa / Elon Musk venture.
I can assure you that going to the moon is way harder than staging some shenanigans in the lab + the kind assistance from the “arch nemesis” – the Soviets.
WATCH THE F789ING VIDEO!!!
Instead of surfing porn and pulling your pud… instead of watching CNN… instead of reading another Danielle Steele novel… WATCH THE VIDEO.
DEATH to all MOREONS.
That’s your response to a careful, thorough set of responses to these supposedly self-evident questions? Day after day you post this crap but you’re unwilling to engage at all when DB brings facts to bear?
Weak sauce.
Nobody seems to want to explain to me what is going on here… this must be the 50th time I have asked:
https://youtu.be/bdQHKf48Mfw?t=1921
Or why the Soviets would have let them get away with it.
Perhaps they were in on it.
🤦♂️
“I never understood why NASA supposedly would have staged a hoax when it was so much easier merely to go to the moon.”
They didn’t stage a hoax.
The subject just gives the “Flat Earth” people something to cling to.
Not sure what it has to do with finite resources? We can only hope that the believers in these theories stop wasting Gail’s Blog space and go start their own.
Hey Pete… can you explain why the dirt beneath the LEM was not disturbed by the blast rockets?
https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY?t=4500
Thank you, DB, and I agree,. One of the best and clearest sites about the Moon landings can be found here: https://www.aulis.com/index.html. It has a skeptical view, but remains almost always calm and composed.
Doubt is way overrated. Real professionals fly more than one hypothesis and assign probabilities to them based on the available evidence.
There is no fundamental need to feel anything about objective reality. It is what it is, process.
I could easily see the narrative peddlers cranking the Apollo program knob to a solid 11 despite the objections of the real smart asses of the era. The blowback would have been enormous if the Apollo program would have failed or cancelled.
Here’s a tractable idea:
TONE DOWN THE NARRATIVE PEDDLER MUPPETS!
Jesus Christ I am so fucking tired of them peddling whatever is in the box of MOAR of the day. When that inevitably fails, brace for the:
MASTER SUPPRESSION “TECHNIQUES”!
Repeat after me:
DULLARD MUPPETS!
🤣👍
To each his own. You may wish to look up the phenomenon of trolling. There are many people on line who get a kick out of stirring up “stuff.” There are also sincere people who post nonsense. I submit that if you investigated every claim anyone makes anywhere, even in good faith, you’d be doing the equivalent of chasing your tail. But like I said, to each his own.
On the related subject of curation, imagine a museum that accepted any and all submitted art, including from children. Contrast that with a museum that picks and chooses carefully what to display. The latter would inevitably miss great works of art, but, depending on the curator, would at least have some. The former would be so inundated with crap, that the chance that if you visited you’d find even one, by any taste or standard, is very low, good luck notwithstanding.
While Gail has a very light touch on moderation, she does have limits, as she has stated.
I think the subject matter of OFW, while it inevitably attracts some crackpots, also attracts enough intelligent commenters that are willing to consider and explore issues that most people simply stay away from. That makes it still worthwhile for me.
While covid threw a spanner into the works, which was inevitable, I’m sure that if things got out of control Gail would step in. If not, it’s a big internet.
Cheers!
P.S. Still no collapse. Maybe Tuesday. Eventually? 100% certainty. So let’s keep predicting. We’re sure to hit it on the nose, eventually.
If NASA would be smart, I’d blatantly state how they would perform the hoax given the amount of smart asses working there and then just state:
1. Here’s how we did the moon landing, and
2. Here’s how we’d fake it
3. YOU DECIDE.
How hard could that be. The useless narrative peddlers is only stoking the flames.
Regarding curation and museums: Just rotate stuff in and out. Established, esoteric and controversial science and hypothesis. What’s the problem? Forget about a single dumb ass muppet “curated” narrative. The Internet and people curate the best themselves. You’d be surprised how much easier shit would become when going with the grain than against.
Wu wei.
☯️
“On the related subject of curation, imagine a museum that accepted any and all submitted art, including from children.”
Or imaging a museum that accepted a sheep pickled in formaldehyde as art. Oops: no need to imagine.
Compared to Gail we are all children here. She is the adult in the room, and because she is kind she lets us play, unless it becomes too unruly.
Gail knows much more than the can write while the children always pretend they now more than their companions, that is the big difference.
PS What’s happening on Tuesday? they will stop playing with our nerves?
I notice in these “debunkers” a kind of “court of justice paradoxon”:
If in a court one party only talks the truth and the opposing party only lies, there is a limited chance that the party telling the truth has a good stand in case of absence of “additional fact from the crime scene”.
The lying party can invent and create any bad sitiuation for the truth teller by coming up with any invented logic that at some point the truth teller can not defiy.
He will then maybe say : “I do not know why X did not do that” or “I have no idea where Y was at that moment”. The liar can say :”I saw X doing this or Y having been there”.
This is very difficult to judge for the people in the court.
This may even lead to wrong decisions but that is the reality.
People questioning the moon landing make some good money out of it and they can always come up with a myriad of invented facts or holes because in real life things just happen without a “traceable” cause.
When I see the people in the vids vaiving a VCR Casette from another debunker, I understand that they are all in a closed “loop” of self-rationalising(?).
Well, I can not rule out that there has not been a landing on the moon. But the USA spent an awful lot of resources and brain power to really get it done!
I mean they even had a group of women knitting together magnets on wire to code for the RAM Memory of the software for the lander. I mean: why should you care about this detail, when you can have it done in a Hollywood studio?…
Well, yeah, ROM memory. Have a nice day 🙂
You can’t rule out that man has landed on the moon? Did you watch the entire documentary? For the life of me I cannot imagine that someone could possibly believe we have been to the moon after that.
I was speaking to my Elder brother today — who is also operating on a 1000+ IQ … and we went back and forth trying to think of more insulting names to call anyone who still might believe in moon landings after watching that…
I once worked with a fellow who worked the Apollo program as an engineer. Very bright fellow. What did he do? He worked on a lunar module landing SIMULATOR. Never mentioned the actual system that was supposedly on the lunar lander module.
In typical aircraft design nowadays, the aircraft design is verified simultaneously with a simulator to verify the design. I might tend to think that for a lunar lander, it was so critical to “get it right” that this would have been the case back then. Funny he never mentioned it.
“Well, I can not rule out that there has not been a landing on the moon.”
Thank you, MM. No further questions for this witness, Your Honor.
I suggest you watch the entire 3+ hours of it… it gets better as you go along
Eddy, don’t watch this video okay.
https://odysee.com/@spacebusters:c9/Once-were-the-Living:7
From the referenced rebuttal article on Reddit. “Are we truly to believe that NASA has spent all this money to spend a vehicle covered with loose pieces of cardboard into space?
This question is at 1:17:26. Images are shown of foil sheets attached to the lunar module (LEM) with tape, and buckled panels. The narrator ridicules the makeshift appearance of the LEM. He’s forgetting that space is a vacuum. There’s no wind to blow off the foil so using tape is fine. Also he implies the tape is holding the LEM together. It isn’t, it’s just holding the foil blankets on. The blankets provided additional insulation to the LEM without being as heavy as standard heat shields and also provided a reflective covering to reflect away sunlight.”
What a load of engineering rubbish! Tape was used in a vacuum to hold critical shielding blankets on the module. Only, as FE would put it, stupid morons would believe this. Tape, would see thermal extremes and material stresses in a vacuum that would make it unreliable. It would outgass, potentially so extremely as to render it nonfunctional. It would crack, peel, de- laminate. I design/build telescopes for space and we do. It use tape!
And that is the definition of Stooopidity.
A truly stoooopid dun ce … will NEVER accept that they are wrong…. therefore they are incapable of learning…. they will remain mired in MOREONEVILLE…. bitterly spewing accusations of ‘conspiracy theorist’ at anyone who dares to show them facts that demonstrate that they are wrong.
Thanks for your views and the additional link.
I recommend this site:
http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/
yes that is outstanding … and it was my go to…. but most people will not be willing to read that…
American Moon is much better because it has the actual video and photos and the makers speak to a range of experts who blow a thousand holes in this LIE
this was debated to exhaustion here (including thousands of comments):
https://www.unz.com/article/the-moon-landing-a-giant-hoax-for-mankind/
and here:
https://www.unz.com/ldinh/america-as-religion/
one of the most interesting side-avenues to explore were the alleged clues left by stanley kubrick in the movie “The Shining”:
https://theunredacted.com/kubrick-apollo-conspiracy-under-a-shining-moon/
http://jayweidner.com/jay-weidner-debates-stanton-friedman-apollo-moon-landings/
Here is Kubrick confessing to faking the moon landings… this was not allowed to be released until years after he was dead…
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One has to wonder what sort of threats were made to those involved in this….
The COVID-19 propaganda in the US has been intense. Here’s a compilation of some of “public service” advertising that American norrmies have been exposed over the tevee to over the past year. Some is very entertaining and funny. Much is truly sickening. If you haven’t seen much of this kind of thing, it is truly eye-opening.
https://tv.gab.com/channel/alltheworldsastage1/view/part1-masks-brainwashing-psyop-propaganda-commercials-60362664a532f7765f7cbeba
Looking at a couple minutes of it makes me happy I don’t have a television set.
I tried but I just cannot watch this… good propaganda has the effect on Fast Eddy… it’s almost as if it’s some sort of Kryptonite/radiation… he asks me to close the window and return to American Moon before he vomits
I don’t think that the 1969 moon landing was “one giant leap for mankind”. Surprised? The evidence since then shows that there has been very little Progress in space exploration, and I doubt that there will ever be much more. Perhaps a one way trip to Mars for a few thrill seekers, but even the chance of that is diminishing…………………………… Affirming that the manned moon missions were real to a probability of 99.9% doesn’t mean that equals an affirmation that these were “a giant leap for mankind”.
When looking at the lunar lander, it is a bit of a stretch to consider it a real engineered module capable of supporting two astronauts. Where, how did they evacuate the module to allow egress into vacuum? Where was the battery power to support life sustaining activities on the lander? How large were they? Or did they have a small nuclear reactor?
How much power would be required to operate the air pumps to provide evacuation precious and limited oxygen when they did go out? It doesn’t pass my smell test.
and yet the lunar trips were successful, so just because you don’t know the answers to your questions, doesn’t mea a thing. ALL of these egineering problems were adequately solved. IF you find some answers, please let us know. I for one would greatly appreciate it.
“and yet the lunar trips were successful”
This is the heart of the matter David. You may know that the trips were successful, but some of us lack that knowledge, so the statement remains an unfounded claim. We are asking for you to share the exciting knowledge of why it’s a true claim with us so that we can share your confidence, despite the shenanigans with fabricating a “distant-looking” view of the earth through the darkened window of the command module, the “normal” Earth-gravity walking that the Astronauts on the moon can be seen engaged in when the videos are played at double speed, and the complete lack of cheese on the lunar surface.
Oh, and it was supposed to hold that Jeep-platform Rover, too. Because when Americans get to the moon, what they wanna do is *go cruising*!!
Oh come now …. they charged the rover with this!
https://www.tesla.com/supercharger
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha….. and we all know that solar panels (and batteries) are most efficient in extreme heat and cold….
Banned!
This is a very classy, no nonsense response from France to the latest UK violation of the terms of the Brexit trade deal. Boris signed up to an agreement, violations of which will have consequences. France has acted ‘proportionately’, which is what the agreement foresees.
British State MSM actually ran with ‘Battle of Trafalgar’ re-enactments on the eve of domestic elections. It was frankly embarrassing to behold. The playground jingoism entirely failed to rally Scottish voters to the Union, and may well have pushed them away.
The way that international relations work is that you may an agreement and then you keep to it – difficult stuff for the Tories to understand these days.
As Gail points out, scarce resources can be a focus for conflict – and UK just insists on being ‘ahead of the curve’ in devolutionary tendencies, both internally and with its neighbours.
> French authorities ban Jersey fishermen from landing catch at three ports
French authorities have announced that Jersey fishermen will be banned from landing their catch at three ports in response to the row over post-Brexit fishing rights.
In a tit-for-tat retaliation, local leaders in La Manche, Normandy, said that boats from the Channel island would be suspended from entering the ports of Granville, Barneville-Carteret and Dielette until further notice.
It follows Jersey’s decision last week to impose new restrictions on fishing licences granted to French vessels in its waters, in a move which has provoked outcry in Paris.
Brussels has also intervened, claiming that the move is discriminatory and in breach of the Brexit trade deal agreed with the UK last year.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/07/french-authorities-ban-jersey-fishermen-landing-catch-three/
What a lovely couple. I wonder if current day France is an analogue of NZs future. How much of this is preparation and a posture for potential future social upheaval and economic fallout (sorry) explosions (oops) impacts (dam)
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/442166/ardern-and-macron-to-co-chair-christchurch-call-leaders-summit
How lovely! Where was this photo taken? I didn’t think NZ let outsiders in, or people living in NZ out. Is France letting people from NZ in? Or is this just a photoshopped photo?
I think it is from 2019
The Van Allen Belts are belts of intense radiation that surround the earth … as we see in this video James Van Allen explains how test satellites recorded radiation levels that exceeded their ability to measure them…
Very thick lead would be required for a capsule to pass through these belts if astronauts were to survive…. but the capsule was made from think aluminum to reduce weight…
Apparently the Van Allen Belts disappeared during the moon shots … because there is no mention of them or how the astronauts survived the journey through them…
Fascinating stuff!!!
https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY?t=3633
Of course ‘They’ would not lie to us about Covid…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt “The Apollo missions marked the first event where humans traveled through the Van Allen belts, which was one of several radiation hazards known by mission planners.[35] The astronauts had low exposure in the Van Allen belts due to the short period of time spent flying through them. Apollo flight trajectories bypassed the inner belts completely, passing through the thinner areas of the outer belts.”
Unfortunately … James Van Allen is on record in the late 60’s stating that it is impossible to survive – even for a very short period of time in the Van Allen Belts — he states that if astronauts were to venture into them at all — they would need to be protected…
Here you go – I’ve even given you the starting point:
https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY?t=3582
As you will see they fly through the thickest part of the belts … and notice nothing hahaha …. meanwhile space shuttle astronauts could see ‘shooting light’ inside their heads even with their eyes closed when they were in high orbit of the earth… that’s the cosmic radiation from the belts….
You really need to watch this entire presentation before you make these moronic comments — otherwise we may stuff you in a rocket and fire you into the Van Allen Belts 🙂
This is a common trait of a _______ed people. They will refuse to look at evidence…
tonight I’m thinking that your posts are all just an act. You can’t possibly be so stooooopid that you can’t look up and comprehend basic info such as the Van Allen belts. That’s a big L for you tonight Foil Eddie. Unless this is indeed just a big show, in which case you are clever and not stooooopid.
“Astronauts’ overall exposure was actually dominated by solar particles once outside Earth’s magnetic field. The total radiation received by the astronauts varied from mission-to-mission but was measured to be between 0.16 and 1.14 rads (1.6 and 11.4 mGy), much less than the standard of 5 rem (50 mSv)[c] per year set by the United States Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity.”
David, nice of you to quote from the wikipedia – we know it’s the source of all science.
It seems though that NASA disagrees or ignore that settled science – but I guess you can dismiss them as conspiracy theorists?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7748907/NASA-set-fly-phantom-dummies-moon-2020-measure-radiation.html
the Van Allen belts change over time, that’s my understanding. Recent measurements would be valuable.
is there something wrong with you?
I just showed you a leaked video of astronauts faking their video of the earth …. duh … do you think they did that on their own or do you think NASA asked them to do that?
And you are showing me a wikipedia reference from … NASA… stating the belts are not dangerous
Here is a NASA engineer stating firmly that they are working on a space craft that will allow them to pass through the van allen belts — odd – why not just use the same technology they used 50 years ago?
https://youtu.be/bMfUpqnLFCc
seriously — what is wrong with you?
and people wonder why Fast Eddy frequently feels the need to beat someone to death with a baseball bat here….
another big L. The university educated scientists who post here disagree with your nonnnsense. But since it’s just a big act by Foil Eddie, then perhaps if we join in on the joeke, then we could all laff together. Otherwise, scientists might be laffing AT you, and that would be sad. Big L for you tonight Foil Eddie, a big L.
Speak for yourself, david. FE is right on this.
sorry, I had not thought of you. I now recall that you fit the description of university educated in science. So please explain how the two above quotes about the science of the Van Allen belts and the full radiation exposure to the astronauts is wrong.
david, that’s easy.
1. the notion that going through the belts had been ok in the Apollo era because it was for a short time contrasts with NASA/scientist statements to the effect that the belts currently prevent us from re-visiting the moon.
2.The idea that one might accumulate more radiation exposure from the entire trip as a whole is irrelevant. Nobody went, thus nobody was exposed.
sorry but I think that’s a very weak answer. Where are the belts, and what are the expected radiation dosages for a brief trip through them? Science please, not anonymous anecdotal quotes.
You want evidence? here you go… skip to the evidence part
https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY?t=2305
David, it’s THEIR weak answer. I don’t need to do all the analysis if they did.
I tend to agree that the moon landings were faked. Do I know? No. why is it so important to know? There is no way to know about many things.
How are a sheeple and a tin foiler the same? They both insist they know.
I think Ed posted the hard evidence below about the Moon landings. there’s photos of the site, and you can see the LIM, etc. so, the space radiation did not kill them, but i bet they got some lifetme doses on that trip.
Lidia, what’s your opinion on these photos? Looks like rock solid evidence to me.
Could the photos be faked? Easily. There are other bright, shadowed dots that aren’t identified. Does that bright dot look like a “lunar module” to you? Why? If one weren’t prompted to think so, it wouldn’t necessarily suggest itself.
Remember, NASA is essentially part of the military. The military has and keeps secrets, correct? If you are a military man, and you are ordered to pretend we went to the moon as a matter of National Security, well, then you will perform that patriotic duty.
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Thinking back on what I remember from first investigating this, I didn’t get drawn in too much at first by the shadows and reflections and triangulations and all that (although those are compelling). I was struck mainly by the behavior of the men, which was and continues to be wildly disproportionate to the supposed achievement. Think of the exhilaration of an athlete making a touchdown and compare to how these people acted: it looked like they had been called into the vice-principal’s office.
The second thing I find impossible to believe is that humans could survive the temperature extremes. Hard to imagine the amount of insulation needed to prevent the body from attaining the ambient plus or minus 225°-250°F within a couple of hours if not minutes. On earth, the temp only has to get to 80-85°F with high humidity for people to die from heat stress. As for whatever kind of “conditioning packs” they went around with.. think of the size and weight of the gear that people go scuba-diving with (you need O2) and then on top of that you need cooling/heating. Think of the size of a small room air conditioner and how well that works on a hot day (not very.. it struggles). If this tech were so advanced as to provide O2, CO2 exhaust, pressure management, AND temp. conditioning for a range of 500° in a package the size of an airline carry-on, why hasn’t that tech been used since these voyages? Maybe it has, but I haven’t heard of it. Instead, we had to content ourselves with Tang™® and Space Food Sticks®™…
I’ve seen people say, “oh, they could walk on the moon’s boiling-hot surface because the surface was so *dry* it didn’t conduct the heat”. ?!?! You don’t mainly get hot on a summer’s day because the pavement conducts heat to your feet; you get hot because of the Sun’s Radiation!! And you get cold because of the lack of it.
Finally, having done film photography and developing back in the late 1970s, I find the idea of the film surviving these temperature extremes, much less the radiation, and yielding such (perfectly framed) pristine images dubious. When I bought film, it was always sold out of a refrigerator to keep it cool.
This is pretty hilarious: for FUTURE moon landings, we’ll have to build shelters with 2.5ft.-thick walls just to be able to survive the radiation. https://phys.org/news/2020-09-moon.html
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Any thicker and the dirt will emit its own secondary radiation, created when galactic cosmic rays interact with the lunar soil.
“So in this sense—I think the walls of European Castles would be too thick!” Berger wrote in an email.
Berger seems to have graduated from the Anthony Fauci Scientism correspondence course.
Oh, and how does air-conditioning even *work*? You have to have electric pumps, and coolant and varying pressure and condensers… how does that all work out in a boiling near-vacuum? It needs a lot of juice!!
They’ve ‘lost’ all of the engineering plans… so it is impossible to know how they performed these miracles in space.
‘We’ve lost all the technology that’s why we cannot go to the moon now’
This could be a scene from Idiocracy 2.0 hahahahaha
https://youtu.be/16MMZJlp_0Y
Just watched one of FE’s links about the “Astronauts Gone Wild”. One of them sez, yeh it was BATTERIES that powered the a/c. Think how big an a/c unit would have to be to drop the temp of a 200# mass by 180deg.F and maintain it and then on top of that you have the size of the battery that’s going to power it? For DAYS?
This is all so extremely silly….
Lidia; you only need to A/C the astronauts (inside the insulated space suits).
Lidia’s detailed comment questioning how the astronauts walking on the moon could be kept at the Goldilocks temperature and supplied with a breathable atmosphere at the same time is truly excellent. The logistics of the situation go far beyond anything Jaques Cousteau had to cope with.
Interesting factoid: The average adult, when resting, inhales and exhales about 7 or 8 liters of air per minute. That totals about 450 liters per hour or 10,800 liters of air per day. Inhaled air is about 20-percent oxygen. Exhaled air is about 15-percent oxygen. the weight of 1 liter of air at sea level is approximately 1.225 grams. So the average adult, when resting, breathes about 500 g of air per hour or 12 kg of air per day.
Yes, we know, lower gravity on the surface of the moon cuts weight to one-sixth that at sea-level on earth. But these “astrolungs” still have a lot of work to do keeping their owners alive and comfortable.
Thank you, Tim. Thinking further on it, heat pumps and a/cs need somewhere “else” to dump their heat (the air or some other thermal mass), right?? This isn’t university-level analysis, i don’t think (well, maybe it is now..). If there’s basically no air and no other physical sink or opportunity for a gradient, how does the heat-transfer away from the space suit happen?
Maybe I’m understanding the physics incorrectly and Ed could chime in??
If I wanted to spend hours on complex differential equations, I could come up with some sort of cooling model, but then… if I wanted to spend hours on complex differential equations I’d have succeeded in my erstwhile academic path.
Other thoughts are: cooling over time. Assuming the Lunar Module has a Goldilocks interior, how does the backpack unit transition from that to: instantly boiling? The suit cooling upon module exit would have to be intense and near-immediate.
Then, I’m thinking about circulation. Let’s say the outlet of this a/c into the suit (assuming the unit were to work, which I tend to reject) were somewhere along the back, probably either near the neck or near the crotch. What would the temperature be at that point, with the unit working full-blast? Wouldn’t it freeze and damage the astronaut’s skin? How can the air inside the suit be effectively circulated with such narrow tolerances, along folded joints and into boots and gloves? You would then need intense blowers to continuously be distributing that air, not just for respiration purposes, but for heating/cooling distribution.
That just all seems rather improbable.
Lidia, well, how does the earth keep its temperature?
There’s the sun lit day side and then there is the pitch black ice cold nothingness of space on the night side. It is the heat engine that drives the biosphere (+some radioactive decay)
Whatever heat that is captured on the bright side will be emitted on the shaded side.
Just land the goddamned spacecraft on the “daybreak” side of the moon to avoid temperature extremes.
I would expect the lunar imagery to be somewhat darker, a much more melancholic and gloomier affair.
Excellent points on the power/thermal ramifications of the astronaut “suit”. The heat expending pumps would have to be thermally managed somehow. There is no evidence of heat radiators to emit excess heat. The astronaut is also directly exposed to intense radiation…think of the old space lab space station that overheated when a shield failed.
Without shielding from the radiation the suit would heat up, unless it is highly reflective, which they were not.
There must also be some humidity processing….or it would build up. How did they control this?
Well when I play hockey I wear a visor… the best way to prevent fogging is to spit on it … wipe that around then clean it off with a towel…
However that doesn’t always work so well…. for instance… when playing outside in very cold weather when you go from a warm dressing room to the ice … the fogging is extreme… spitting doesn’t work… you have to bring a towel and wipe it regularly … what I when I jump on the ice is lift my helmet up as I skate into the play … that helps dissipate the fogging …
Unfortunately all that great technology that they developed for the moon landings has been lost… including the anti fogging face shields that the astronauts used… it’s amazing how crystal clear their face shields are ….
Bauer would pay a small fortune for that tech…. but sadly it’s been lost or thrown away…
And the scientists back then were so much more clever than they are now… we know it’s possible but we just can’t do it… how sad
Kowalainen, what I’d say is that the earth keeps its temperature more constant (roughly speaking) because of its atmosphere. The moon, having little to no atmosphere, and no water, doesn’t have all the particulates and their energetical interactions and exchanges to buffer the temperature swings.
Key amongst these particulates is water. It’s unimaginable the amount of energy involved in moving water, not just up through evaporation into clouds and then into rain and back again, but surging through all of the animal and plant matter. The hydrological cycle of a forest is beyond belief in terms of the amount of water transported, at the same time tree roots displace “solid” rock.
This is what happens to a large amount of the Sun’s energy that hits the Earth: it underpins and is absorbed and processed by Life.
In DelusiSTAN this is the same as winning a gold medal at the Olympics
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3PH1Iqixj5U/Ty1ZMc1pqYI/AAAAAAAAAK4/LwrWwUIsJsU/s1600/dunce-cap.jpg
why keep posting your selfies? or is it just a part of your act?
When an article compares two numbers using different units of measurement, they are hiding something.
Bob,
Maybe not, the Hubble had an issue with two systems of measurement used, had to have a space repair and glasses. Believe this nonsense or not, if it amuses a person, that is all the better.
Perhaps Elon will have a spare seat to Mars, FE could go and report back whether or not it was faked.
Dennis L.
Thank you, Dennis, a fair comment. But in this specific case, please allow me to elaborate. The one measurement is of radiation, measured as physical energy. The other is of the effect of the radiation on humans, measured as physiological change.
The two are incommeasurable, because different kinds of radiation have very different effects. By disguising this, and indeed by refusing to provide a more detailed analysis of the radiation, the article is in my opinion hiding something by design.
Very thick lead
It is hypothesized that it takes 200 ly of lead to stop neutrinos form getting through, so perhaps some human beings already really do have the adequate specific density required.
I know every time I close my eyes I stop seeing the light. Goodness I hope some c is passing through 😉
Do you have a reference for how much lead it takes to shield the astronauts from the effects of the Van Allen Radiation Belt?
David gave us the dose they received going through with zero added shielding.
There is a wooden stairway up and over the accelerator at Brookhaven National Labs. At the top just over the accelerator tube is a sign that says “Do Not Dwell”
there’s a similar warning about the cement dome at Enewetak, that contains a lot of radioactive debris. not a good place to sunbathe.
Ask this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfUpqnLFCc
James Van Allan is unfortunately dead .. but he’s featured on the section on the Belts … check out how the radiation detector stops functioning because the readings were so high
If I recall there is a section in that there that discusses the shielding on the module — 1.8cm of aluminimum… and a mention that if they were to use lead they’d need a rocket many times larger than was used…
Can someone send that link to Wikipedia that says if you don’t spend much time in the van allen belts you will easily survive…
He is wasting precious time and money building the Orion Capsule…. if people watch the American Moon — there is a section where they show that the module is actually taped together … I shit you not… and a debunker says ‘that’s because of the need to flex under extreme conditions – and that rivets would come loose’… then the movie gives a close up on some panels on the module that are – you guessed it – rivetted on hahaha
This is such a f789ing joke… people really need to watch the full 3 hours… it’s not much longer than a few episodes of your favourite Reality TV Show… and this is more real than anything you have ever seen.
For all those doubters out there here is the official answer for how the Apollo missions made it through the Van Allen belts:
“Space radiation: the Apollo crews were extremely lucky”
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So how did NASA solve the problem of crossing the Van Allen belts? The short answer is they didn’t.
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History tells us that the gamble of flying during the years of high solar activity during the Apollo era paid off. None of the Apollo flights were blasted by powerful solar flares or engulfed by clouds of solar energetic particles. But there could have been a different outcome.”
https://theconversation.com/space-radiation-the-apollo-crews-were-extremely-lucky-120339
Isn’t it amazing? It always come back to this: we know that Van Allen Belts are safe because Apollo astronauts passed through them.
Of course any future missions need to do the research again – as we know NASA tends to lose important documents:
“Discovery soared to 600 kilometres (370 mi)….The female skull was seated in a plastic matrix, representative of tissue, and sliced into ten layers. Hundreds of thermo-luminescent dosimeters were mounted in the skull’s layers to record radiation levels at multiple depths”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-31#:~:text=The%20primary%20payload%20was%20the,altitude%20well%20outside%20the%20atmosphere.
Given the expense and risks of a shuttle flight, why would they waste their time on measuring radiation BELOW the Van Allen radiation belts? How bad can it be if the Apollo astronauts barely registered any radiation by passing through the whole thing and staying a week on the other (unprotected) side?
I know this is a debate about religion. If the Russians or the Chinese would have pretended they send a man to Mars, would you believe them with only some blurry camera footage as proof?
“Astronauts’ overall exposure was actually dominated by solar particles once outside Earth’s magnetic field. The total radiation received by the astronauts varied from mission-to-mission but was measured to be between 0.16 and 1.14 rads (1.6 and 11.4 mGy), much less than the standard of 5 rem (50 mSv)[c] per year set by the United States Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity.” I’m sure your reading comprehension is better than Foil Eddie’s.
Hahahahaha…. watch American Moon hahahahahaha….
I heard about a guy who was bannned from Wolf Street for obbbsesssive rannnting about luuuunacy. Imagine how embarrrrasssssing to be that guy? Good thing your stuff is just an act.
David, what does your reply has to do with anything?
First of all your only argument is an appeal to authority – that is the exact opposite of science, at least according to Richard Feynman.
Secondly, you ignored my whole post. Are you ok with an explanation for the radiation problem that invokes luck?
What about the need for radiation studies at 600km altitude (below Van Allen belts) when supposedly it’s safe all the way to the moon?
I know you won’t answer but I am still hoping maybe other people will read and at least engage with unbelievers like me.
david, I’m not sure if you get the method to FE’s madness. If they would lie about this, what wouldn’t they lie about? It’s all a hall of mirrors that “they” control, at this point.. the covid nonsense being only the latest example.
I started out in “science” believing in exactly ZERO conspiracy theories. Over the years, one by one, every single contentious event or situation I investigated seem to conform to the “conspiracy theory” rather than the official narrative.
The only things I currently rule out are Flat Earth and Aliens. But time will tell….!
“If the Russians or the Chinese would have pretended they send a man to Mars, would you believe them with only some blurry camera footage as proof?”
Here’s a theory:
Assume the Russians was in on the hoax. How you might wonder? Well, LBJ, Nixon and Von Braun flew over with some tapes, tech goodies and money in the bag.
The Russians returned the favor with a nice fat Tupolev or perhaps a rocket to drop the command module and perhaps some satellite/signaling shenanigans. They probably thought the whole ‘murician ordeal was hilarious. (I would have)
Let’s say the russkies got their hands on F1 engines and some of the hottest tech of an era.
You have no idea how easy it is to buy some help when you got the tech (and money) while being in a rather unfortunate situation.
However, you also gotta fool plenty of people in the US population, MIC, NASA and various contractors and sub contractors with their eyes, ears and minds pinned to the TV set and telemetry. If the moon landing was a hoax then I’m calling it:
THE RUSSKIES HAD TO BE IN!
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I nominate Dunc+Norm to pilot the first star ship through the Van Allen Belts!
This is where Delusion makes contact with the Rubber….
that’s gotta be an act. You can’t possibly be that stooooopid.
It’s funny to see two people pseudo-debating when none of them will ever change their mind.
FE keeps posting links to so called conspiracy theorists – he should know by now that most people will dismiss those without even reading/watching.
David is a true believer in progress – waiting any moment now for the return to the moon. This is like life after death for the born-again christians – what rational argument can change theirs or David’s mind?
So of course the end result is monkeys flinging poo.
Meanwhile in the real world, NASA stopped working on returning people to the Moon – it’s that danged Covid again!
“But I also think what’s important is when you come across technical challenges … you’re focused on making sure you’re achieving your aggressive goal in the right manner,” Lueders added. “Yes, it’s taken us a little bit longer to be able to get Bob and Doug up there. But I do think we’ve done it carefully, and doing it right is better than doing it faster.”
https://www.space.com/nasa-spaceflight-chief-kathy-lueders-moon-2024.html
Get it? This time they’re doing it right!
David, I’m probably going to regret asking this, but what proof do you have that leads you to conclude that NASA astronauts landed on the moon?
If you have something substantial, perhaps we can wrap this entire issue up.
dude! feeling better? first, you have a reasonable question which I will answer. All well and good, since it’s not like you are unwilling to read factual material about the Van Allen belts, and I know you can comprehend the details of the varying strength of the belts above us. …………………………………..my answer is that I have about as much proof of that, as I have proof that you are a real human living in Japan. I’m not trying to play tricks here, just laying out that I think I have decades of experience with filtering news and info about NASA, and I think my conclusions are reasonable………………………… so then, no direct proof! Does that mean we should fill the Energy Topics blog with seemingy endless repetitions of poor scientific claims? ………………….so hey, let’s not wrap it up, let’s keep debating, though in my opinion the debate is mainly online videos vs real science……………….. you’re a decent opppponent. Anything substantial to prove you are real? 😉 best wishes.
https://www.space.com/14874-apollo-11-landing-site-moon-photo.html
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/BUr2GzeQHi53wwLAtCjq5d-1024-80.jpg.webp
wow Ed, do you happen to be university educated with an advanced degree in science? I’m think that’s a yes. 😉
Nice photoshopping!
Ed, that looks like it could be legit. You can even see that little crater on the top right where Buzz allegedly took a pee. 🙂
David, thanks for the kind words. It seems my problem wasn’t Covid related after all. I just spent too much time and effort this last couple of months splitting logs that didn’t want to be split. It is a very satisfactory feeling when you bring the axe down with just enough power and the log splits cleanly and with an audible crack. When that doesn’t happen, most of the energy that went into the down thrust comes back up the axe and into the axeman, eventually causing axeman’s elbow, axeman’s neck and axeman’s shoulder. The doc gave me some trigger point injections and prescribed something to rub on the shoulders. And I’m giving up the axe for the foreseeable future. Also, I found an authoritative German doctor who does YouTube videos with a beautiful Russian assistant teaching how to massage one’s own neck and shoulder muscles with a pestle and a soft tennis ball! It’s sad to have to do this myself but unlike some I don’t have a harem.
I like your answer about the moon landings. We have to make assumptions and judgements and decisions all the time based on a combination of sensory and informational data and our interpretation of what that data is likely to mean. It would be impossible to get by if we didn’t do this.
The real identities of online forum commentators are interesting in that people (assuming they are not AIs) do not usually reveal their faces or their voices, which gives them more scope for presenting a given personality, since the written word is under editorial control. People who meet in person, such as down the pub, have to work harder to present themselves as something they are not. We are not all proficient actors even though we are all pretenders to some extent. Even so, I think we all use our intuition to try to grasp which of our online companions are genuine, which are poseurs, which are trolls. But having done that, making supposition that the other guy is being honest, without necessarily going as far as to make it a matter of belief, forms a good basis for communication.
The moon landings issue is of a different category though. It if happened as reported, or if it didn’t, either way it was a huge collective organization effort that can’t be compared with an individual presenting himself as such and such a person. Whatever else NASA did, it mobilized tens or hundreds of thousands of workers and constructors and spent a huge pile of government money on projects of considerable economic value and produced Teflon and Velcro in the process. That’s something we can all agree on, at least.
By the way, I don’t think that Kubrick confession is genuine. I can’t be sure, but the guy doesn’t look like the Stanley we know and love. But on the other hand, the movie the Shining is a compelling puzzle. Stanley’s real confession may be locked up inside that. Or he may have been pulling or leg.
Tim; I don’t think anybody disagree on the utility of the MIC and space programs. I mean, we got the Internet, nuclear power, microchips, GPS, telecoms, etc. Plus a few totally unnecessary wars and conflicts.
Technology needs to be driven forward, however not at the expense of having to lie about the workings of objective reality.
The five eyes for sure have been cranked way too loud and staffed with the completely wrong clientele. Which is to say:
MUPPETS ONLY KNOWS HOW TO MUPPET.
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David, yes. A masters in physics from Columbia University.
This just goes to prove the axiom about educated people….
So Ed… here are 5 or 6 top professional photographers who are old enough to have worked with film….
A few things – they state that even in -15C cameras jam… in colder weather film becomes brittle and cracks…
They also explain the effects of radiation on film… photos are grainy if exposed to radiation … and there is radiation on the moon… lots of it….
Finally — as every single one of them insists… there is evidence of secondary light sources being used … in fact that state that is is IMPOSSIBLE to create photos like the ones they are shown from the moon — without a secondary light source.
Here you go Ed — I’ll take you to the exact section where these men are interviewed….
Did you take a photo course at Colombia? Do you know more than men who have spent decades earning their livings from taking photos?
https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY?t=8516
It would be interesting to see if fast ed believes in dinosaurs….or maybe that is made up too🤣
“No tribes, cultures or countries in the world ever discovered a dinosaur bone before the mid-1800s, and then they were suddenly found all over the world in North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Argentina, Belgium, Mongolia, Tanzania, West Germany and many other places apparently had large deposits of dinosaur fossils never before seen. All these places were inhabited and well-explored for thousands of years before this time, why had no one ever found a dinosaur fossil before?
“According to the book, ‘The Dinosaur Project,’ paleontological journalist Wayne Grady claims the period following this, from around 1870 to 1880 became ‘a period in North America where some of the most underhanded shenanigans in the history of science were conducted.’ In what was known as ‘The Great Dinosaur Rush’ or ‘Bone Wars,’ Edward Drinker Cope of the Academy of Natural Sciences and Othniel Marsh of the Peabody Museum of Natural History, began a life-long rivalry and passion for ‘dinosaur hunting.’ They started out as friends but became bitter enemies during a legendary feud involving double-crossing, slander, bribery, theft, spying, and destruction of bones by both parties. Marsh is said to have discovered over 500 different ancient species including 80 dinosaurs, while Cope discovered 56. Out of the 136 dinosaur species supposedly discovered by the two men, however, only 32 are presently considered valid; the rest have all proven to be falsifications and fabrications! None of them once claimed to find a complete skeleton either, so all their work involved reconstructions. In fact, to this day no complete skeleton has ever been found, and so all dinosaurs are reconstructions.”
https://stolenhistory.net/threads/dinosauria-fact-or-fiction.666/
Murdoch Mysteries Season 2 Episode 3 “Dinosaur Fever” is a most amusing take on this piece of history. You could also explore the role of Teilhard de Chardin in the “Eoanthropus dawsonii” (Piltdown) hoax.
Lead? Who the F uses lead in a spacecraft? It’s nuts to fly such ideas.
Nope.
Superconducting coils to generate a strong enough magnetic field around the command capsule. If designed properly could assist in propulsion by directing the solar plasma, similar to a sailboat crossing by redirecting the wind locally.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269032694_Design_of_a_space-borne_antenna_for_controlled_removal_of_energetic_Van_Allen_belt_protons
“ The coil is composed of high temperature superconducting tapes (HTS), which have to be kept below 77 K. Active thermal control and the use of cryogenics are therefore required to reject the heat coming from environmental sources. This preliminary design is used to calculate the power radiated from the antenna, its radiation pattern and its effect on the energetic proton population of the inner Van Allen belt.“
EZ.
AWESOME!
YUP, THAT’S ANOTHER WORD FOR ME!
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Does anyone know how cosmic rays affect the electronic equipments of all the probes, rovers and ships we sent to Mars and elsewhere in outer space? Don’t they need to be protected?
Hardened electronics.
Tested with various ion beams in laboratories.
ECC/Checksum memories and tripe/quadruple redundant fault tolerant systems if there is a temporary or permanent malfunction. Plus failsafe shutdowns if things get really dicy in the solar plasma sheaths and the van Allen belts.
Good and “olden” analogue electronics isn’t as sensitive to noise from ions and energetic photons. It is no problem to design a competent analogue control loop with today’s tech. Once things gets dicy, shut down the digital stuff and wait for it to subside.
discussed here https://youtu.be/bMfUpqnLFCc
yes, the ionizing radiation can break circuits and damage transistors. that’s one of the reasons that the 239Pu used in Galileo-type thermoelectric generators are placed on the end of a boom away from the electronics of the spacecraft. it’s a 1/r^2 distance shield. the navigators plan orbits to try to stay away from radiation sources like Jupiter’s ionosphere. any landers on Europa, for example will have to be shielded or die. perhaps the best way would be to burrow or melt beneath the ice, as water is a great radiation shield.
FE, Aulis has a very thorough analysis of the problem here: https://www.aulis.com/investigation3.htm.
In my opinion the best article is a detailed analysis of radiation data from several manned and unmanned missions, from Apollo to Orion. Their conclusion that the claimed Apollo data is inconsistent with a voyage outside the Van Allen belts is compelling, provided of course the methodology underlying the measurements is sound, which is not wholly proven.
“NASA’s focus now is on sending humans beyond low-Earth orbit to Mars… We are trying to develop the technologies to get there, it is actually a huge technological challenge. There are a couple of really big issues. For one thing – Radiation. Once you get outside the Earth’s magnetic field we are going to be exposing the astronauts to not just radiation coming from the Sun, but also to cosmic radiation. That’s a higher dose than we think humans right now should really get.”
– Dr Ellen Stofan, Chief Scientist, NASA, and principal advisor
to NASA Administrator – BBC Newsnight interview, November 2014
“Radiation surely must be the biggest showstopper preventing mankind’s exploration of the Universe.”
– Professor Clive Dyer, MA (Cantab.), PhD (Lond.), DIC., June 1997
Clive Dyer has worked in space and radiation research for more than 40 years, authoring more than 200 publications in the field
And here we have Al Gore admitting that GW is fake… queue angry DelusiSTANIS
https://youtu.be/bMfUpqnLFCc
… I mean, many science fiction films end shortly after someone pressed the self-destruct button.
It was “over us” at least for the whole time of the cold war but people had an idea that nobody would be stupid enough to press it.
“Where did we go off the rails?”
The problem is, if you do not have rails you can also not go off.
Lately I’ve been thinking maybe nuclear war isn’t what it’s hyped to be. Look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, plenty of people living there and they didn’t move there yesterday …
Interesting comment from an interesting blog:
Quote:
Another peephole into the construction site of the CV edifice. Car insurance rates went down a bit–I received a small rebate–because driving really did decrease, but they failed to raise the life insurance rates to reflect their imaginary mass death event.
A small detail, but further evidence the planners of these things are far from perfect. Or they leave clues for karmic protection. Or they just don’t worry about the few of us who can see these inconsistencies.
If people stay at home, car insurance rates will go down.
Gail, yes.
Final interesting anecdote from the same blog:
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My younger brother works in life insurance, a pretty damn big firm too. He’s a total Maskie “libtard” as it were, an Elon Musk fan, and all of that – despite being one of the most intelligent people I know. KNEW. I no longer classify him in this bracket, and he’s taken the Jab too and wears a fucking snot-diaper in his car with his girlfriend. It’s pathetic.
But I pressed him lightly on this very topic last night – LIFE INSURANCE. And you’re correct, not one single thing has changed due to COVID. The rates, the death rates, the risks, the underwriting – none of that has changed. Business as usual.
But while you are ALSO correct that they must have access to the facts, that’s simply because EVERYONE does. Anyone with internet does. Anyone with a mouth, a face, the ability to speak or see, or process logic, or count beyond zero has access to the facts. They’re rampantly evident.
And just as fervently ignored. My brother is basically the CASE FILE for this type of person. Intelligent enough to handle orbital dynamics on the one hand, but stupid as fucking shit about anything going on right now or anything critical or important. It’s astounding. It’s amazing.
It’s a CULT.
It’s obviously time to redefine intelligence…. instead of IQ … let’s use FE-Q… Fast Eddy Quotient
Buffet told his insurance customer he will never pay out for a nuclear war. I can tell you insurance companies will never pay out for a mass genocide by any means.
We had travel insurance on our planned trip to Greece last year. (It was required.) It did not pay out or give back the premium. Instead, the travel organization gave us credit for a trip this year. Unfortunately, international travel is still pretty “messed up.” If adversity affects everyone, insurance practically never pays.
“A small detail, but further evidence the planners of these things are far from perfect. Or they leave clues for karmic protection. Or they just don’t worry about the few of us who can see these inconsistencies.”
Nah, they are just dumb. A bunch of muppets busying themselves with amateur hour eugenics programs. Nothing new to see here, move along. History is full of these halfwit shenanigans.
Can’t craft compelling narratives out of dimwit, you know.
Oklahoma just returned its hydroxychloroquine stockpile … like we returned our toddler president
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/5/7/2029472/-Oklahoma-just-returned-its-hydroxychloroquine-stockpile-like-we-returned-our-toddler-president
(reality is “trumping” ideology)
Dunc…. there you are….
Check out the Miracle Tape and Falling Panels
https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY
Norm… are you there with Dunc? Feel free to put your minds together and come back to me with and explanation
“Furthermore, taking money from the rich doesn’t really fix scarcity problems. Rich people don’t really eat a vastly disproportionate amount of food or drink more water, for example.”
1. Rich people own a vast amount of resources so yeah they do “eat a vastly disproportionate amount”. Bill Gates for example is the biggest farmland owner in the United States. Sure technically he can not eat everything produced in his lands, but can you see him giving away anything he can’t consume? I mean, the man has been steadfast in limiting access to the Covid 19 vaccines after all.
2. Rich people create industries that pollute the natural world. That limits the amount of water that other people can drink and the arable lands people can use to grow food. Ironically since we are talking about oil, there’s this excellent movie called There Must Be Blood, where the main “protagonist” talks about draining oil from adjacent lands he does not have at the end of the movie. “I drink your milkshake!!!”. That’s rich people for you.
Both rich and poor people enable the industries that pollute the world. When it comes to commodities, poor people tend to dominate the demand, because there are so many of them who need to eat, use transportation of various kinds, and live in homes. It is lack of “demand” from these many poor people who tend to pull the system down. Rich people seem to pull the strings, but if poor people cannot afford to buy what they make, the whole system collapses.
Gates’ farmland isn’t a very good example in support of your argument. He may be the “biggest owner of farmland” but the amount he owns of the whole is incredibly tiny (0.027%)
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2021/01/fact-check-americas-biggest-owner-of-farmland-is-now-bill-gates-but-he-owns-less-than-1-percent-of-all-us-farmland.html.
Gates drinks other people’s milkshakes in far more sophisticated ways than just having a big material footprint. He may well use that land for GMO experiments on things he can license, etc. … it’s not for stocking his personal home with corn and beans.
He has stated that it is for experimentation, both food crops and bio-fuels, I believe.
“Top U.S. fuel pipeline operator Colonial Pipeline has shut its entire network after a cyber attack that industry sources said was caused by ransomware software.”
https://www.reuters.com/technology/colonial-pipeline-halts-all-pipeline-operations-after-cybersecurity-attack-2021-05-08/
I noticed that as well. This will be a big deal, unless it gets fixed quickly.
I live in Atlanta. We get our gasoline through the Colonial Pipeline. I can remember twice (or more) in the past that the pipeline was shut down. We tended to have gasoline stations without gasoline. There were long lines at gas stations that were open. In theory, trucks could carry the gasoline around the blocked pipeline. But that takes time and costs more money/fuel. Public officials said, “No price gouging,” so that guaranteed inadequate supply. Some people stayed home from work because they didn’t have fuel for their cars. The situation didn’t really make national news much because it was a temporary, local situation.
Regional political trajectories in UK continue to diverge, as Tories advance in England, while Labour hits record levels in Wales and SNP and other indy parties are very likely to take an outright majority in Scotland.
The rise to dominance of Tories in England actually cements the political fracturing of UK, and it is contrasted by the opposite tendencies elsewhere.
Even within Wales, Tory wins are concentrated throughout the east, while Plaid took the whole of the west, with Labour wins concentrated in the southern and NE cities. Also in Scotland, Tory wins are concentrated on the border area.
The picture that is emerging this weekend is of the Union splintering into countries with their own trajectories, with Tory incursions likely correlate with English settlement. A stunning picture of division is emerging.
> Welsh First Minister Drakeford vows to be ‘radical’ as Labour equals best ever Senedd election result
WELSH LABOUR LEADER Mark Drakeford has vowed to be “radical” and “ambitious” in government as his party remains in power in Wales.
Labour has equalled its best-ever Senedd election result by winning 30 seats – just one short of a majority.
https://www.thejournal.ie/welsh-elections-5431999-May2021/
Results are still coming through in Scotland. SNP has taken most of the ‘first past the post’ constituencies (60 of 71), with the regional list to be calculated this evening.
SNP votes are at their highest level ever, both as a proportion of the vote and as an absolute amount, with turn out levels up.
The regional list system is designed with the intention to boost the seats of the parties that did not do so well in the constituencies – so SNP will gain less there, and in any case pro-indy Greens MSPs will assure a pro-indy majority.
The elections have been marred by tactical voting by Unionist parties in an attempt to deprive SNP of an outright majority on its own – which seems a pointless goal, as indy legislation will still pass.
In contrast, Green votes are high in the constituency, and it is likely that pro-indy parties took over 50% of the votes cast.
Full results will be in this evening.
“The elections have been marred by tactical voting by Unionist parties in an attempt to deprive SNP of an outright majority on its own”
Marred?! An attempt to deprive? Hugely partisan. Are you in favour of democracy or not? ‘Marked by’ would have been better.
The ‘winner takes all’ approach to democracy that is inherent in FPTP tends to reduce politics to a binary partisan polarity that tends to give the political narrative over entirely to binary party manifestos and to effectively disenfranchise the demos of any meaningful input – so it is not really ‘partisan’ to negatively assess trends toward binary tactical voting, which here only reinforce the polarisation and fragmentation of the UK that has become so apparent this weekend – rather tactical voting tends to be symptomatic of a polarisation and ‘partisanisation’ of democracy.
Labour and Lib Dem voters have been reduced to votes for the Tories, a party that does not on the whole represent their opinions, and not even to avoid a pro-indy legislative majority, which was always near certain, but simply to symbolically, and not materially, deprive SNP of a majority – and that is not indicative of a healthy and functional democratic system. Rather it is symptomatic of a Union that is in rapid composition and in which all other political tendencies are firmly on the back burner and more or less out of the picture. That is ‘democracy’ at its barest vitality.
Sheer propaganda. Were Green voters tactically voting for independence instead of green policies? There are few parties to vote for but many issues. It is feasible and ethical to vote for whichever party supports your issue (s).
Furthermore, Scotland has PR but not perfect PR, because it is not possible to have perfect PR.
Voters have the right to vote tactically if they wish to, no one is disputing that.
Unionist tactical voting did not prevent indy parties from taking a majority of seats in the parliament.
I am not getting into a disputational side track about whether Unionist voters were in a healthy democratic place with tactical voting on a single issue. That is clearly a matter of perspective.
The indy parties won, and that is all that anyone really cares about at the end of the day.
The final result has arrived in Scotland:
SNP – 64 MSPs
Greens – 8
That gives pro-indy parties 72 MSPs and a huge, increased majority of 15.
Unionist parties took a reduced total of 57 MSPs despite their recourse to tactical voting.
TP – 31
LP – 22
LD – 4
The 2021 Scottish parliamentary elections have given pro-indy parties a clear mandate and a huge majority with which to pursue independence legislation in the Scottish parliament.
SNP fell one seat short of the 65 needed for an outright single party majority, but it gets to nominate the presiding officer, which potentially brings the total of SNP votes in Holyrood to 65.
Greens increased their seats to further extend the pro-indy majority. Alba took no seats and their existence likely slightly reduced the pro-indy majority of MSPs.
SNP swept the board in the constituencies, and Unionist parties picked up seats on the ‘regional list’ that is intended to give more seats to all of the losers in the constituencies.
Pro-indy parties (SNP, Green, Alba) took a majority of all votes cast at around 51%. Polls also show that a third of LP voters in Scotland support independence. Moreover, demographic patterns suggest that time is on the side of Scottish independence, as the younger overwhelmingly support it.
SNP and Greens will now legislate the independence referendum. TP is likely to obstruct the will of the Scottish parliament, and the matter will then go to the supreme court. Frankly, the longer it takes, and the more obstructive Westminster becomes, the more likely independence becomes.
Sorry but after 300 years it’s not possible for Scotland to leave the UK.
Funny, ‘after 300 years’ seems to be the exact time that it happens. : )
We have to admit, Nicola did well and slightly strengthened her side’s position. But still no majority of seats (64 out of 129), no majority of votes (47.7%), and while turnout was higher than previously, it was still only 63.2%, which means that of all the potential votes available, Nicola’s SNP only gained 30.15% of them, which was considerably less than the 36.8% who didn’t bother to vote. So nothing to crow about. The status quo has been maintained. But still, you have something to celebrate.
A two-thirds turn out is considered high in an election. The list system was designed with the intention to avoid any overall majority. SNP got the highest percentage of votes, and the most votes, of any party ever at Holyrood. Indy parties combined got over 50% of the vote.
But none of that matters. What does, is what happened according to how the system works, with its own rules. There are no other imaginary rules or ‘bars’ of ‘success’. The only ‘bars’ that exist are those written into the system.
Indy parties won a majority of seats in Holyrood, which gives them the power to push ahead with indy2. That is how the system works, and that is all that matters.
Thus, 2021 elections were a total success, 100% for indy parties – with 0% failure. All that counts is what the result was, who won, according to how the system works, which is the Indy parties.
The Scottish parliament is a legal reality that forms and operates according to law, and which has legislative power. It is not a ‘make it up as you go, and shift the goal to suit you’ pseudo-reality with imaginary, flexible bars and functions. It functions how any parliament in the real world functions, ie. according to its own rules, which are all that count and even exist.
The ‘status quo’ that has been maintained is the legal reality of the Scottish parliament, and the current possession by indy parties of the legislative power to push ahead with an independence referendum. They won, entirely, and they will push ahead with the referendum.
Boris plans to allow Unionist-voting Southern Scotland and Borders to secede from Scotland if an independence referendum goes ahead.
He is already drawing up plans to allow Unionist-voting Shetland and Orkney to become British crown dependencies, along the lines of Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man. This will give them the opportunity to leave Scotland and become semi-autonomous tax havens if they so desire.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/08/independent-scotland-will-not-remain-unified
Boris has no such ‘plans’ and the link is dead – as any pro-unionist majority on the border is likely to be by the time the referendum goes ahead, given demographic trends toward indy support. : )
The agreement has long been that Westminster leaves the borders alone and SNP does not campaign in the north of England.
I understand that you feel a need to project ‘strength’ in the face of the unionist defeat in 2021, it is only natural psychology.
Paul said: “I understand that you feel a need to project ‘strength’ in the face of the unionist defeat in 2021”
Wrong! The Unionists were not defeated. They got 49% of one vote and 51% of the other. I just wish the Scots would make their minds up. I can live with whatever they choose. As of now, they are fatally indecisive.
* Right!
Indy parties got the mandate and the seats to go ahead with a referendum at the time of their choosing within the present administration.
Fixed that.
Paul who?
Do they use voting machines in Scotland?
Pencil and paper, nothing so fancy. It was a case of bring your own pencil due to hygiene concerns.
Scotland is to be wooed by the Nordic Council. Scotland is of a firmly ‘social democratic’ orientation like Scandinavian countries, and they share social values and a neighbourhood. Nordic countries would make more natural partners than the Tory dominated England. A Laplander MP is looking to make it happen for Scotland.
> Scotland deserves observer status on Nordic Council, Finnish MP tells SNP
A FINNISH member of parliament has congratulated the SNP on a “huge victory” in the Scottish parliamentary elections – and said he will launch an initiative to have Scotland join the Nordic Council as an observer.
The news will likely be greeted enthusiastically by the SNP, which has been in talks in recent months with a view to extend Scotland’s overseas ties.
The Nordic Council was established in 1952 and is the official inter-parliamentary body in the Nordic Region. It has 87 elected members from Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, as well as from the Faroe Islands, Greenland and Åland, an autonomous region of Finland.
Now, Mikko Karna, a Finnish MP for Lapland from the Centre Party Parliamentary Group, has said that he will “launch an initiative” to get Scotland observer status on the Nordic Council.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19289277.scotland-deserves-observer-status-nordic-council-finnish-mp-tells-snp/
“Scotland is to be wooed by the Nordic Council. Scotland is of a firmly ‘social democratic’ orientation like Scandinavian countries, and they share social values and a neighbourhood.”
Just look at the very important “Everyman’s right”, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam – Scotland looks more like Norway etc than England.
So the Viking conquest resumes, who’d have thought? Moar pastoralist genes and rough business shenanigans incoming.
Brace yourself for the incoming longships and sound of oars. Or perhaps the scots will: “how dare you”?
https://trendmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/vikings-memes-1.jpeg
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Essay relevant for both OFW and FE: “Space colonization is largely a capitalist perception management op promoted by the likes of Musk and Bezos to strengthen the narrative that it’s okay to continue the world-raping global capitalist principle of infinite growth on a finite world because we can escape the catastrophic ecological consequences of that paradigm by fleeing to space.”
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2021/05/07/space-colonization-is-a-capitalist-perception-management-op/
So limits are far, far away perhaps!
Space manufacturing conference in the 1974.
https://ssi.org/ssi-conference-abstracts/space-manufacturing-facilities-1974-75/
Cool … can you copy and paste the part that explains this?
https://youtu.be/bdQHKf48Mfw?t=1949
I think it’s equally a cover for other stuff: black-box spending, satellite weaponry and surveillance, what-have-you.
Some friends of mine recently described being at an outdoor summer party one evening just pre-covid, and seeing what they all (20 people, including an astronomer) thought were UFOs. Turns out it was Musk? satellites being serially deployed across the heavens.
Exactly, Lydia: Musk & Co. gibber and wave hands about the Mars Future – a glorious vision to dangle in front of wondering, clueless apes – while Musk puts his satellite net over us, and helps to build the digital Prison Planet….
Dazzled clueless apes then leave comments under Musk videos saying that they truly believe he’s a good guy (not like Gates!) and wishes to ‘advance and help mankind with his technology’.
Let’s cut down on berating Musk; he is a rabid anti-vaxxer. Plus he shoots rockets into orbit and disrupted the dumb ass auto industry.
GO ELON! GOOOO!
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here, here
Yes, well put.
Dennis L.
And he dated Amber Heard once.
Yes… as I have suggested this is all about convincing the cattle that we can move on to greener pastures once we’ve denuded Earth….
That is one of the reasons why the Moon Landing Lie is so entrenched…. it represents HOPE… and if someone destroys hope… then … cattle don’t produce much milk or tasty meat…
Speaking of hope … check out these close up shots of the LEM… you can see parts of it have ripped and been taped together — literally taped together hahaha…. then you have shots of large panels on the LEM that are actually falling off….
And we are to believe this contraption made it to the moon?????? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha (don’t look if you want to continue to believe in a George Jetson future haaaaahhahahahahahahhahaha)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpuKu3F0BvY&t=4529s
This all ties into peak oil … we will transition to renewables and EVs… and we can move from Earth when we finishing raping it … OR… we can fly to other planets and bring back resources….
Return to grazing dummb cattle… nothing to look at here
The real estate bubble in Slovakia is going to burst: despite the skyrocketing real estate prices, the rents are going down.
https://finweb.hnonline.sk/ekonomika/2342081-ceny-bytov-rastu-prenajmy-klesaju-investicia-sa-oplati-len-v-dvoch-pripadoch-tvrdi-analytik
If we need more and more sophisticated construction materials for achieving higher and higher energy efficiency and the workers wages can not go down, it is the land prices that must plumet.
I am wondering if people will move in together more. There will be a lot of vacant housing with a value of close to zero.
I guess the situation will be like somebody thinks that he is building/having a family house and suddenly he realizes that his building is actually a chalet for occasional use.
E.g. in my village, that has transformed into a suburb, the prices of the land quadrupled during the last few years. But there are only a few services, little jobs, although the motorway and the industrial plants are close.
The ageing of the populations and the wages that can not keep the pace with the rising real estate prices will finally bring what happend in Japan in the 90s and later after 2008 in the USA.
The cheap loans promoted by the ECB will undoubtedly reach their limits.
Yes I wonder if we will see a Dr. Zhivago like theme play out…
There’s still enough energy resources for China to grow…while others die from Covid and lockdowns.
“Trade between China and US totaled 1.44 tn yuan in Jan- Apr, up 50.3% y/y, showed China’s customs data.
China’s exports to US rose 49.3% to 1.05 tn yuan and imports from US grew 53.3% to 393 bn yuan. China’s trade surplus with US expanded 47% to 653.89 bn yuan.” Yuan Talks
China has a problem of declining population, however. This declining population is especially that of working age. It also has a lot of debt and water problems, especially in the North. There will be challenges if China plans to continue to grow.
I have come to the conclusion that China or India will be world dominant in the future is utter crap because both of them will be deserts without any resources be it natural or “commodities” like water, on short notice.
That will of course not apply for waste, poison and drought.
I think China is the world’s dominant superpower but like you I don’t think it will last (maybe a couple of decades).
Afterward there will not be enough energy for “world” anything. There will be some regional powers with greatly reduced populations vying for water and land.
The rest of the world will be well on its way to yet another dark age, where most people never travel.
Bolsonaro just pointed that out: “Which country’s GDP has grown the most? I am not going to tell you.”
https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/brazils-bolsonaro-links-pandemic-biological-024006844.html
“About 230 million Indians fell into poverty due to the COVID-19 pandemic last year with young people and women the hardest hit, and the current second wave threatens to make matters even worse, a new study has said.
“India’s stringent months-long lockdown from last March put about 100 million people out of work…”
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/covid-19-pandemic-drove-230-million-india-into-poverty-study-14756646
“Unprecedented levels of drought across many countries in Africa have left experts and humanitarian agencies fearing the worst.
“As the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic continues to push the continent to its limits, the United Nations World Food Programme has warned many countries may soon face famine as a result of drought.”
https://www.dw.com/en/drought-famine-threatens-africa-agriculture-solutions/a-57462206
I see the caption under one photo says, “Zimbabwe has been investing in new sustainable agricultural methods in recent years, including small holder irrigation schemes.” I wonder how sustainable this is. It clearly will require energy. Does it deplete aquifers? Long term, salinaztion of the soil is an expected effect of using ground water for irrigation.
The IMF and other assorted globalist (corporate controlled) institutions has been pushing GMO seeds and IP laws to lock parts of Africa into corporate controlled agriculture. That is what they mean by sustainable agriculture.
Sustains America’s profits for a while.
India has water problems. It is beyond peak oil. It has a lot of debt because of its need to import a lot of fossil fuels. It has done crazy things in the past, trying to call in the larger denomination currency. It looks like a country that could easily lose population to a pandemic because many of them have been barely earning enough to eat adequately.
Even worse . 1 million dead . Do not think this is correct ? I am reporting from ground zero . Shortage of wood . Dead bodies are now being thrown in the rivers . As per Hindu ritual the ashes are to be immersed in the nearest river , but shortage of wood , overflowing cremation grounds , extreme poverty is forcing the people to do this .
A mathematician believes that only about 20% of deaths from COVID in India are being reported. There is a big range. Testing for cases is falling behind.
Hmmmmm…. I prefer hard data vs MSM hype (lies)
Jo Nash, who lived in India until recently and still has many contacts out there, has written a very good piece for Left Lockdown Sceptics putting the current figures in context – something no mainstream outlet seems to have any interest in doing.
Jo makes the crucial point that we need to keep in mind the massive difference in scale between India and the UK. At 1.4 billion people, India is more than 20 times larger than the UK, so to compare Covid figures fairly we must divide India’s by 20. So 2,000 deaths a day is equivalent to a UK toll of 100. India’s current official total Covid deaths of approaching 200,000 is equivalent to just 10,000 in the UK.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/tag/india/
Remember how New York had an entire sports stadium prepped for the Covid Death Tsunami.. and ships off the coast? And not a single patient checked in ….
Lie.. after… Lie… after Lie
Or, as the great Paul Simon crooned:
Lie la lie, lie la lie la lie la lie,
Lie la lie, lie la lie la lie la lie, la la lie la lie
By the way, now that he’s an old geezer, Paul’s resemblance to Mel Brooks is as close as Bill Gates’s resemblance to Woody Allen.
And yes, Paul is singling about lying:
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocket full of mumbles, such are promises
All lies and jests
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest
“Colombia has entered its second week of violent unrest as riot police continued a brutal crackdown on nationwide protests against poverty and inequality exacerbated by the coronavirus pandemic.”
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/may/06/colombia-protests-violent-unrest-police-crackdown
“Libyans struggling in poverty, chaos 10 years after NATO intervention…
“Besides economic degradation, the security situation has also been worsening. According to Ali Al-Khalfouni, a 56-year-old Libyan elementary school teacher, the quality of life today is “tens of times worse” than 10 years ago.”
https://africa.cgtn.com/2021/05/07/libyans-struggling-in-poverty-chaos-10-years-after-nato-intervention/
“‘A dirty business’: how one drug is turning Syria into a narco-state…
“The manufacture of Captagon in the regime heartland has become one of Syria’s only recent business success stories; a growth industry so big and sophisticated that it is starting to rival the GDP of the flatlining economy itself.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/07/drug-captagon-turning-syria-into-narco-state
“Lebanon’s lights may go off this month because cash for electricity generation is running out…
““We should not forget that starting May 15, gradual darkness will start,” said Nazih Negm, a member of parliament…”
https://thearabweekly.com/lebanon-could-go-dark-cash-electricity-runs-out
Lebanon, Syria, and Columbia are all in terrible shape!
OPTION A)
After a month or two, gangs started operating, destroying everything. Hospitals, for example, turned into slaughterhouses. There was no more police. About 80 percent of the hospital staff were gone. I got lucky. My family at the time was fairly large (15 people in a large house, six pistols, three AKs), and we survived (most of us, at least).
The Americans dropped MREs every 10 days to help blockaded cities. This was never enough. Some — very few — had gardens. It took three months for the first rumors to spread of men dying from hunger and cold. We removed all the doors, the window frames from abandoned houses, ripped up the floors and burned the furniture for heat. Many died from diseases, especially from the water (two from my own family). We drank mostly rainwater, ate pigeons and even rats.
Money soon became worthless. We returned to an exchange. For a tin can of tushonka (think Soviet spam), you could have a woman. (It is hard to speak of it, but it is true.) Most of the women who sold themselves were desperate mothers.
Arms, ammunition, candles, lighters, antibiotics, gasoline, batteries and food. We fought for these things like animals. In these situations, it all changes. Men become monsters. It was disgusting.
Strength was in numbers. A man living alone getting killed and robbed would be just a matter of time, even if he was armed.
https://www.quora.com/What-would-the-world-be-like-if-society-collapsed
OPTION B
Alternatively… the Lebanese (including those folks from Hezbollah) will join hands… sing koombaya… and plant organic gardens… and transition to Scott Nearing’s ‘The Good Life’
I’m thinking…. hmmmm… uh… Option A.
Captagon is an amphetamine. It seems to be widely used in the Middle East, especially Saudi Arabia. Syria and Lebanon are both involved in its manufacture.
Somehow, this reminds me of North Korea. If things are going very badly, nothing else seems terrible in comparison. Isn’t North Korea known for its computer hacking, for example. Products with low overhead that no one else wants seem to be those of interest.
Drugs which are cheaper, or easier to get hold of, than alcohol are very popular in collapsing countries.
They often lead to more violent crime, of course. This happened in Argentina.
That is what Hillary Clinton wanted.
We’d destroy entire countries … yet we close down the world because 80 year olds are dying from a bad flu type virus….
Odd
“The Global House Price Boom Could Haunt the Recovery From Covid-19.
“House prices around the world have rallied through the economic turmoil. Growing leverage and decreasing affordability raise both financial and political risks.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-global-house-price-boom-could-haunt-the-recovery-from-covid-19-11620379832
“[UK] House prices: ‘In 25 years I’ve never seen the market like this’…
“n West Yorkshire in January a bidding war broke out over a terraced house. Eight buyers battled it out for a two-up, two-down home that had been on the market for less than two days.
“What was so special about the £140,000 house in north Wakefield? It was on the market.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/house-prices-in-25-years-ive-never-seen-the-market-like-this-32znpnfxm
Yep, selling like hot cakes here, too – but this is a main UK/global Bio- Tech hub, with lots of well-paid lackeys of the system who still feel perfectly secure and have young families to house.
They don’t seem to see that if I’m a resident, this village can’t be all that desirable. ….
I get frequent calls asking if we are willing to sell our house in suburban Atlanta.
I cannot see any property boom here in Aberdeen. Plenty of for sale / rent signs, especially for flats.
“Global climate change stimulus could fuel a green investment bubble.
“Investment bubbles often form following extremely stimulative policies enacted in the wake of global recessions. They are born of easy money, grow on speculation and fuelled by a strong fundamental theme and high investor confidence. They become disconnected from their intrinsic value and as money tightens, they collapse.”
https://www.cityam.com/global-climate-change-stimulus-could-fuel-a-green-investment-bubble/
According to the article:
I expect that they already have been disconnected from their inherent value. Also, materials like copper and lithium are used elsewhere in the economy. Their rise in price will affect other sectors of the economy.
“Supply Chain Shortages Keep Coming…
“…the shortages I have seen reported are lumber, chicken, semiconductors, flowers, gas, vaccines, aluminum, steel, now even chlorine and so much more. Most of these are source material shortages, which doesn’t even include the individual product shortages seen from not just a lack in these source materials but also logistics backups in delivering the products to stores.”
https://www.sdcexec.com/warehousing/article/21427225/supply-chain-shortages-keep-coming
“In a year of food supply-chain disruptions hitting from all angles, here are two more things for producers and consumers to worry about: recycled paper and corn, and how they affect packaging.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-05-07/supply-chains-latest-packaging-costs-hit-food-as-recycled-paper-price-soars
“A Summer of Sold-Out Ships Awaits as Sea Cargo Chaos Intensifies.
“Container shipping rates are heading higher again, driven to new heights by unrelenting consumer demand and company restocking from Europe to the U.S. that are exhausting the world economy’s capacity to move goods across oceans.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-03/a-summer-of-sold-out-ships-awaits-as-sea-cargo-chaos-intensifies
“… unrelenting consumer demand and company restocking from Europe to the U.S. …” there are two sides to the proverbial coin, and that is the good bAU side.
We will see more and more of the “empty shelf” problem, in other sectors of the economy.
My brother runs an architecture firm in Canada… he says the supply issues in the building industry are epic…
My neighbour is a retired builder who does some side work from time to time … reports similar here in NZ… he got a heads up about 6 months ago from a supplier of timber of imminent massive increases in timber prices… he filled his shed up before the prices hit….
Prices have nearly tripled….
This is what happens when oil peaks… a massive inflationary surge… followed by a massive deflationary … collapse … aka Death Spiral.
And many are celebrating their paper gains on property and stocks…. hahahaha…. can’t wait to imagine the looks on their faces when the house of cards implodes!!!
There will be that moment when this f789er hits … and there will be hundreds of millions groaning as they realize… the world has ended.
Then panic will strike… and desperation … then despondency… that comes with the realization that…
Fast Eddy was RIGHT!
That’s when Fast Eddy will declare … Victory.
it can’t be too far off now… it seems to be coming apart at the seams….
“The global chip shortage is starting to have major real-world consequences… South Korean tech giant Samsung said last week that the chip shortage is hitting television and appliance production, while LG admitted the shortage is a risk…
“Production of low-margin processors, such as those used to weigh clothes in a washing machine or toast bread in a smart toaster, has also been hit.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/07/chip-shortage-is-starting-to-have-major-real-world-consequences.html
“Carmakers are stripping out digital bells and whistles as global chips shortages send assemblers back to analogue features.
“Nissan is leaving navigation systems out of thousands of vehicles that typically would have them, while Ram no longer offers its 1500 pickups with a standard “intelligent” rear-view mirror… Renault has stopped offering an oversized digital screen behind the steering wheel…”
https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/3132505/carmakers-are-stripping-out-digital-bells-and-whistles-global
Harry, that is exactly what they should be doing. Lower technology, more localisation, cheaper products, … Exactly what Rome refused to do, until their technology began to fall apart around them.
Not F+#^]+}$] “cheaper” F}*~$${*{ “cheaper”.
It is quality crafted stuff, might it be in a local CNC shop floor or your neighbors Singer making shoes, back packs, garments and what have you.
It is not merely “stuff”, the produce rather represents somebody, their life, drama and comedy in the myopia of ordinary. Their soul if you so wish.
Homo sapiens sapiens IS a species of primates that uses tools and crafts. It is who we are. The muppetry originate from FUCKING idiot dolts, their shit head dullard narrative peddlers, pomp and regalia. Yuck!
🤢🤮
The Romans were in a bit of a bind, I suspect.
As their power failed, they had to build new city walls to keep out Germanic raiders – there wasn’t even a small fort here from the conquest until the 3rd century, but then they built huge stone town walls – and heavily armed cavalry, artillery batteries, river patrol fleets, etc, were one of the best ways to deal with such raiders and tribal incursions, which were fantastically expensive to maintain.
Even William the Conqueror only built a wooden castle here, by way of contrast.
So, in the end, they lost to the hairy men with spears and not very much armour – our ancestors!
In the East it was even worse, as their enemies were more advanced and very well armed indeed.
Where I lived in St Albans, England the Romans were so powerful that they did not even build walls around the town until some 350 years after their conquest. Within 100 years they were gone from Britain.
Your local council has just gone to the Lib Dems.
From the Roman Empire to the Lib Dems.
Yes, St Albans left the Roman Empire – ‘after 300 years’.
You see, it can and does happen.
: )
Britain got loads of its culture, laws and politics, from the Romans, and it was an integral part of the Roman Empire.
But dissipative structures form, break down and reform. Even ‘after 300 years’. That is how the real world works.
This is backward from moving to self-driving cars.
I wonder what the purpose of building the 5G network really is, if there really aren’t enough semiconductors for the high-tech devices that might operate on the network.
Also, the self-driving features on cars have been helpful in keeping down accidents. If cars start moving the other direction, accident rates will start rising. People will want to buy old cars, rather than new ones.
“A bubble could be brewing in steel stocks. The pandemic brought the American steel industry to its knees last spring,… But as the recovery got underway, mills were slow to resume production, and that created a massive steel shortage.
“Now, the reopening of the economy is driving a steel boom so strong that some are convinced it will end in tears. “This is going to be short-lived. It’s very appropriate to call this a bubble,” Bank of America analyst Timna Tanners told CNN Business…”
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/investing/steel-shortage-stocks-bubble/index.html
“Copper must rally 50% for supply to meet demand, Glencore chief says…
“The price of copper needs to rise 50 per cent to encourage enough new supply to meet projected demand from the global green revolution, says the chief executive of Glencore… “You will need $15,000 copper to encourage a lot of this more difficult investment,” Ivan Glasenberg told the FT…”
https://www.ft.com/content/beeb325f-1d39-456b-a4fc-22cd50429fbb
I am afraid that doubling the price of copper can’t really work for long. It is used so widely that it will start pushing up the finished price of many goods.
“Rising Bond Yields Threaten Financial Markets…
“Bank credit for industry is contracting, commodity prices are soaring, and supply chains remain disrupted. Fuelled by earlier expansions of money supply and further expansions to come, the world faces a far larger increase in price inflation than currently contemplated, and therefore far higher interest rates, threatening to destabilise both financial markets and fiat currencies.”
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4425740-rising-bond-yields-threaten-financial-markets
“The share of US dollar reserves held by central banks fell to 59 percent – its lowest level in 25 years – during the fourth quarter of 2020, according to the IMF’s Currency Composition of Official Foreign Exchange Reserves (COFER) survey.
“Some analysts say this partly reflects the declining role of the US dollar in the global economy… If the shifts in central bank reserves are large enough, they can affect currency and bond markets.”
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4424850-u-s-dollar-share-of-global-foreign-exchange-reserves-drops-to-25-year-low
Contracting credit for industry and soaring commodity prices doesn’t sound like it will work for long. The big bubble holding up the stock market will collapse, for one thing. The number of jobs will fall greatly.
“Consumer spending is surging – but so is inflation… After a shockingly poor U.S. jobs report for April, Wall Street is rethinking just how strong the U.S. economy is…
“…all the pent-up spending appears to have a downside: Higher prices… The consumer price index, the main tool for tracking the cost of living, is forecast to rise in April for the 11th month in row.”
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/consumer-spending-is-surging-but-so-is-inflation-11620419808
“US inflation fears mount as the Fed ‘monetises’ Joe Biden’s deficits…
“The US Federal Reserve and Treasury are repeating one of the most disturbing episodes of the 1940s and risk stoking a destructive inflationary boom, a leading monetary watchdog has warned.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/05/07/us-inflation-fears-mount-fed-monetises-joe-bidens-deficits/
We are already in an inflationary boom, but the commodities to keep it going aren’t really there. It is hard to see that it can last long.
“The US Federal Reserve has warned that existing measures of hedge fund leverage “may not be capturing important risks”, pointing to the collapse of Archegos Capital as an example of hidden vulnerabilities in the global financial system.”
https://www.ft.com/content/cd723c4e-b182-416c-b511-bd3d516978d3
“The Federal Reserve is warning that prices of stocks and other financial assets are rising to levels that could set investors up for big losses from sudden declines…
““Asset prices may be vulnerable to significant declines should risk appetite fall,” the Fed report warned.”
https://fortune.com/2021/05/07/the-markets-are-running-a-bit-too-hot-the-fed-warns-ebullient-investors/
Hmm. Who was it that over-inflated these assets in the first place with their interventions? 🤔😀
The entire financial system is totally rotten — zombie companies kept alive by the CBs … meanwhile peak oil combined with the CEP is causing massive ructions…. inflation is starting to spiral out of control…..
Clearly we are on the cusp of something monumental… and by that I don’t mean another GFC…
This is surely the final act.
I was speaking to my brother and his wife in Canada yesterday for a couple ours… they are both 100% not on with the Covid story … and I think they lean towards the CEP… they have been in lockdown for months…. you could feel the despondency through the call … they are hoping that the lockdown is lifted for the May 2-4 long weekend… but that’s surely not going to happen…
Another friend is in Montreal … the city of eternal lockdown… he’s drinking heavily because he has no work to go to so no need to wake up… he’s a wreck… as is his wife…
This is all getting very ominous now … I feel very negative after these calls.
And now for an update on the Covid-19 situation in Japan.
This country has been relatively slow to start jabbing people, but efforts are ramping up and it’s going to be a busy summer. Japan officially approved the Pfizer vaccine on February 14 and that’s the only authorized jab so far. Regulators will decide by May 20 whether to approve the Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines.
I expect this to go through without incident as the AZ one is already being produced locally by drugmaker Daiichi Sankyo Co. Also, the first batch of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine arrived in Japan by air from Belgium on April 30.
The rollout for the Pfizer jab began on February 17, with the first batch going out to a maximum of 20,000 frontline medical workers. Approximately 3.7 million medical workers are due for two shots administered three weeks apart.
On April 12, Japan began administering vaccines to senior citizens age 65 and older. There are roughly 36 million people making up Japan’s elderly population. Back in February, Nikkei reported that “Japan expects to receive enough coronavirus vaccine doses to fully immunize health care workers and the country’s 36 million elderly people by the end of June.” I have not been able to find an up to date count of how many people have got their shots so far, but as of May 6, according to Our World in Data, 3.1 million have received at least one shot and 1.1 million have been jabbed twice.
Interestingly, in line with the Pfizer rollout, Japan is experiencing its forth and most deadly wave of COVID-19 so far. On April 16, NHK reported:
Scientists at the National Institute of Infectious Diseases estimate that more than 80% of cases in Osaka and other western prefectures are a coronavirus variant first found in Britain. The strain is viewed as more contagious than the original.
They say the variant has also been spreading fast in Tokyo and its three neighboring prefectures since mid-March. It accounted for only about 10 percent of cases in April, but is expected to reach 80 to 90 percent by early May.
The British variant? How did that manage to jump continents so fast and establish itself in Japan? Well, this same British variant was blamed for the rise in cases in Israel right after injection campaign went full-scale. As the Times of Israel reported:
The British variant was first detected in Israel late last year and quickly became the dominant strain in the country.
“The data offers a possible explanation for why the first few weeks of the year did not see, as expected, a sharp decline in serious patients per day, despite the increased vaccine drive and the great effectiveness of the vaccines,” said Prof. Ran Balicer, the head of the Clalit Research Institute.
He said the effects of the vaccines took longer than expected to be felt and were obfuscated by the 70 percent rise in serious cases among unvaccinated Israelis of all age groups during that same period.
Health officials in Israel have also blamed the British variant for the rise in serious cases and deaths among pregnant women.
But again, how is the British variant managing to jump into an isolated country like Japan where nobody gets in without going through a barrage of testing? Is it, perhaps, coming over inside the Pfizer jab juice? Or does it not exist at all and is merely being trotted out as a cover story for the current peak in cases that has coincided with the Pfizer rollout? I’m only askin’.
On Friday, May 7, Japan reported a record 148 daily coronavirus deaths .The number of patients with severe symptoms also hit an all-time high, increasing by 33 from the previous day to 1,131, and the number of new daily cases exceeded 6,000, the highest since mid-January when a second state of emergency was in place.
Among the prefectures, Osaka and Tokyo were in the top spots reporting 1,005 and 907 new infections on May 7, respectively. Osaka also reported 50 deaths, and neighboring Hyogo reported 39, of whom 25 were the residents of the same nursing home in Kobe, where a cluster was reported.
Wow, to lose one resident to COVID-19 is unfortunate, but to lose 25 of them to it in a single day……. Were they stacking them up in the freezer all week and announcing the deaths on Friday. No word yet on whether any of these residents were jabbed. That piece of vital information is totally lacking in any of the media reports I’ve seen. My guess is that most of them were bedridden and comatose, as this is often the case at Japanese nursing homes. They have ways of keeping people “alive” for years and sometimes decades after they have become unable to move, eat, communicate or recognize their surroundings.
Record high numbers high deaths and record high numbers of serious infections, in May when there the weather is warm and very sunny. I have to go on record as saying this story doesn’t add up. But if we postulate that the jabs, now given to about 10% of the over-65s, are doing enough damage kill the vulnerable and spread new variants, it adds up very well.
I’m not a virologist, or en epidemiologist, or even a structural engineer, but at the beginning of this year I DID predict this. And I am now predicting it will get a lot worse before it gets better, with numerous clusters of death like yesterday one in Kobe. If I can see a bit further than others, it’s because I’ve stood on the shoulders of giants like Vanden Bosche and Yeadon.
Thanks for your update from Japan. Of course, as a percentage of population, Japan’s numbers are still low compared to most Western countries.
By the way, I fixed the italics in your comment. Be sure to use lower case i in pointed brackets, not upper case I. Word processors like to change single i’s to capital I’s. < i > and < /i > without the spaces.
Thousands of people in ‘Piazza del Popolo’ on Saturday for the public demonstration in favour of domestic treatments for Covid-19. The news was almost absent from main newspapers and tv news. Doctors from the stage reported about hundreds of people successfully treated with simple medicines under correct treatment.
You can see the news here:
https://www.byoblu.com/2021/05/09/medici-e-pazienti-in-piazza-a-roma-speranza-non-puo-piu-ignorare-le-cure-domiciliari/
Herewith you can find 2 links about 2 doctors’ associations in favour of domestic treatments:
https://www.terapiadomiciliarecovid19.org/
https://ippocrateorg.org/2020/11/26/come-si-affronta-il-covid-19/
The second association is receiving too many requests at the moment and it cannot follow additional requests now, but they do share their medicines suggestions. They are suggested always under Doctor control.
It seems there are also many other doctors who help their patients at home, avoiding what they define to be a wrong suggested protocol offered by the Authority.
Meanwhile in Italy tens of millions are cowering behind masks and begging for more lockdowns so they can Stay Safe…
The vast majority of people do not oppose the CEP. The PR Team is outstanding
Funny how China … doesn’t seem to have any Covid issues….
Funny how Covid … never made it past Wuhan… particularly as it hit during Chinese new year and I recall reading
Millions Left Wuhan Before Quarantine
https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/where-did-they-go-millions-left-wuhan-quarantine
5 Million People Left Wuhan Before the Coronavirus Quarantine
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/5-million-left-wuhan-before-coronavirus-quarantine-2020-1?r=US&IR=T
Perhaps the CCP did a deal … we will take the hit for starting the pandemic.. and we’ll kick off the hype…. but after that we don’t get involved… we don’t lockdown… it’s over to you guys to do your part in executing the CEP….
Thanks Tim, most interesting and suggestive!
I hope this doesn’t become mandatory in Japan, and that you can dodge the bullet, as it were.
I was just reading the novelist Edith Wharton promising an old friend that she would make sure that the ‘wicked doctors’ wouldn’t overly prolong his life at the end and let him pass peacefully, so they were already at that game in the 1920’s. Of course, they were rich so the motivation of the medics was obvious.
Question:
Which is the more obvious lie… Covid… or the Moon Landings…
That is a VERY tough one to answer… I’d go with the Moon Landings because of American Moon
Covid 19 is the best thing that ever “:happened” for the gain of function research crowd.
It is the equivalent of a the first nuclear weapons test for nuclear physicists.
Now the power is known. The political/viroscience creature is born. It is strong. It is just now stretching its wings.
We will be living with this creature for the rest of our lives.
And none of it could have come to pass without covid 19.
“It is the equivalent of a the first nuclear weapons test for nuclear physicists.”
Well, then there is nothing to worry about because the nuclear weapons test was a fake (conventional explosives)
Still, StarvingLion, that didn’t stop the people in charge from terrorizing the global population with the nuclear weapons scare for multiple decades. I suspect COVID-19, and all its supposed variants, is becoming the equivalent scare for our times.
Apart from the spectral Mask of King Tut, nuclear war was my main nightmare as a child.
Anyone remember neutron bombs, they made a splash, too?
It may seem new, but they’ve been working on these sorts of things for quite a while. Fauci has been at it for 40+ years.
Take a look at this TV report from the 1970s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bOHYZhL0WQ
They’ve merely made the fraud global.
Fast Eddy, do not watch this video.
Oops…here it is.
more Moondenier reeeligion proselytizing, perhaps because they think their phooolish reeeligion needs to be believed by all.
Synopsis: Patrick Moore saw more detail on the lunar landscape through his telescope at Selsey than Neil Armstrong did walking on the surface.
Look — a photo of a DelusiSTANI!
https://fermentationwineblog.com/wp-content/uploads/wholesaler-lobotomy.jpg