How Energy Transition Models Go Wrong

I have written many posts relating to the fact that we live in a finite world. At some point, our ability to extract resources becomes constrained. At the same time, population keeps increasing. The usual outcome when population is too high for resources is “overshoot and collapse.” But this is not a topic that the politicians or central bankers or oligarchs who attend the World Economic Forum dare to talk about.

Instead, world leaders find a different problem, namely climate change, to emphasize above other problems. Conveniently, climate change seems to have some of the same solutions as “running out of fossil fuels.” So, a person might think that an energy transition designed to try to fix climate change would work equally well to try to fix running out of fossil fuels. Unfortunately, this isn’t really the way it works.

In this post, I will lay out some of the issues involved.

[1] There are many different constraints that new energy sources need to conform to.

These are a few of the constraints I see:

  • Should be inexpensive to produce
  • Should work with the current portfolio of existing devices
  • Should be available in the quantities required, in the timeframe needed
  • Should not pollute the environment, either when created or at the end of their lifetimes
  • Should not add CO2 to the atmosphere
  • Should not distort ecosystems
  • Should be easily stored, or should be easily ramped up and down to precisely match energy timing needs
  • Cannot overuse fresh water or scarce minerals
  • Cannot require a new infrastructure of its own, unless the huge cost in terms of delayed timing and greater materials use is considered.

If an energy type is simply a small add-on to the existing system, perhaps a little deviation from the above list can be tolerated, but if there is any intent of scaling up the new energy type, all of these requirements must be met.

It is really the overall cost of the system that is important. Historically, the use of coal has helped keep the overall cost of the system down. Substitutes need to be developed considering the overall needs and cost of the system.

The reason why the overall cost of the system is important is because countries with high-cost energy systems will have a difficult time competing in a world market since energy costs are an important part of the cost of producing goods and services. For example, the cost of operating a cruise ship depends, to a significant extent, on the cost of the fuel it uses.

In theory, energy types that work with different devices (say, electric cars and trucks instead of those operated by internal combustion engines) can be used, but a long delay can be expected before a material shift in overall energy usage occurs. Furthermore, a huge ramp up in the total use of materials for production may be required. The system cannot work if the total cost is too high, or if the materials are not really available, or if the timing is too slow.

[2] The major thing that makes an economy grow is an ever increasing supply of inexpensive-to-produce energy products.

Food is an energy product. Let’s think of what happens when agriculture is mechanized, typically using devices that are made and operated using coal and oil. The cost of producing food drops substantially. Instead of spending, for example, 50% of a person’s wages on food, the percentage can gradually drop down to 20% of wages, and then to 10% of wages for food, and eventually even, say, to 2% of wages for food.

As spending on food falls, opportunity for other spending arises, even with wages remaining relatively level. With lower food expenditures, a person can spend more on books (made with energy products), or personal transportation (such as a vehicle), or entertainment (also made possible by energy products). Strangely enough, in order for an economy to grow, essential items need to become an ever decreasing share of everyone’s budget, so that citizens have sufficient left-over income available for more optional items.

It is the use of tools, made and operated with inexpensive energy products of the right types, that leverages human labor so that workers can produce more food in a given period of time. This same approach also makes many other goods and services available.

In general, the less expensive an energy product is, the more helpful it will be to an economy. A country operating with an inexpensive mix of energy products will tend to be more competitive in the world market than one with a high-cost mix of energy products. Oil tends to be expensive; coal tends to be inexpensive. This is a major reason why, in recent years, countries using a lot of coal in their energy mix (such as China and India) have been able to grow their economies much more rapidly than those countries relying heavily on oil in their energy mixes.

[3] If energy products are becoming more expensive to produce, or their production is not growing very rapidly, there are temporary workarounds that can hide this problem for quite a number of years.

Back in the 1950s and 1960s, world coal and oil consumption were growing rapidly. Natural gas, hydroelectric and (a little) nuclear were added, as well. Cost of production remained low. For example, the price of oil, converted to today’s dollar value, was less than $20 per barrel.

Once the idyllic 1950s and 1960s passed, it was necessary to hide the problems associated with the rising cost of production using several approaches:

  • Increasing use of debt – really a promise of future goods and services made with energy
  • Lower interest rates – permits increasing debt to be less of a financial burden
  • Increasing use of technology – to improve efficiency in energy usage
  • Growing use of globalization – to make use of other countries’ cheaper energy mix and lower cost of labor

After 50+ years, we seem to be reaching limits with respect to all of these techniques:

  • Debt levels are excessive
  • Interest rates are very low, even below zero
  • Increasing use of technology as well as globalization have led to greater and greater wage disparity; many low level jobs have been eliminated completely
  • Globalization has reached its limits; China has reached a situation in which its coal supply is no longer growing

[4] The issue that most people fail to grasp is the fact that with depletion, the cost of producing energy products tends to rise, but the selling prices of these energy products do not rise enough to keep up with the rising cost of depletion.

As a result, production of energy products tends to fall because production becomes unprofitable.

As we get further and further away from the ideal situation (oil less than $20 per barrel and rising in quantity each year), an increasing number of problems crop up:

  • Both oil/gas companies and coal companies become less profitable.
  • With lower energy company profits, governments can collect less taxes from these companies.
  • As old wells and mines deplete, the cost of reinvestment becomes more of a burden. Eventually, new investment is cut back to the point that production begins to fall.
  • With less growth in energy consumption, productivity growth tends to lag. This happens because energy is required to mechanize or computerize processes.
  • Wage disparity tends to grow; workers become increasingly unhappy with their governments.

[5] Authorities with an incorrect understanding of why and how energy supplies fall have assumed that far more fossil fuels would be available than is actually the case. They have also assumed that relatively high prices for alternatives would be acceptable.

In 2012, Jorgen Randers prepared a forecast for the next 40 years for The Club of Rome, in the form of a book, 2052, with associated data. Looking at the data, we see that Randers forecast that world coal consumption would grow by 28% between 2010 and 2020. In fact, world coal consumption grew by 0% in that period. (This latter forecast is based on BP coal consumption estimates for 2010 and 2019 from BP’s Statistical Review of World Energy 2020, adjusted for the 2019 to 2020 period change using IEA’s estimate from its Global Energy Review 2021.)

It is very easy to assume that high estimates of coal resources in the ground will lead to high quantities of actual coal extracted and burned. The world’s experience between 2010 and 2020 shows that it doesn’t necessarily work out that way in practice. In order for coal consumption to grow, the delivered price of coal needs to stay low enough for customers to be able to afford its use in the end products it provides. Much of the supposed coal that is available is far from population centers. Some of it is even under the North Sea. The extraction and delivery costs become far too high, but this is not taken into account in resource estimates.

Forecasts of future natural gas availability suffer from the same tendency towards over-estimation. Randers estimated that world gas consumption would grow by 40% between 2010 and 2020, when the actual increase was 22%. Other authorities make similar overestimates of future fuel use, assuming that “of course,” prices will stay high enough to enable extraction. Most energy consumption is well-buried in goods and services we buy, such as the cost of a vehicle or the cost of heating a home. If we cannot afford the vehicle, we don’t buy it; if the cost of heating a family’s home rises too high, thrifty families will turn down the thermostat.

Oil prices, even with the recent run-up in prices, are under $75 per barrel. I have estimated that for profitable oil production (including adequate funds for high-cost reinvestment and sufficient taxes for governments), oil prices need to be over $120 per barrel. It is the lack of profitability that has caused the recent drop in production. These profitability problems can be expected to lead to more production declines in the future.

With this low-price problem, fossil fuel estimates used in climate model scenarios are almost certainly overstated. This bias would be expected to lead to overstated estimates of future climate change.

The misbelief that energy prices will always rise to cover higher costs of production also leads to the belief that relatively high-cost alternatives to fossil fuels would be acceptable.

[6] Our need for additional energy supplies of the right kinds is extremely high right now. We cannot wait for a long transition. Even 30 years is too long.

We saw in section [3] that the workarounds for a lack of growing energy supply, such as higher debt and lower interest rates, are reaching limits. Furthermore, prices have been unacceptably low for oil producers for several years. Not too surprisingly, oil production has started to decline:

Figure 1 – World production of crude oil and condensate, based on data of the US Energy Information Administration

What is really needed is sufficient energy of the right types for the world’s growing population. Thus, it is important to look at energy consumption on a per capita basis. Figure 2 shows energy production per capita for three groupings:

  • Tier 1: Oil and Coal
  • Tier 2: Natural Gas, Nuclear, and Hydroelectric
  • Tier 3: Other Renewables, including Intermittent Wind and Solar
Figure 2 World per capita energy consumption by Tier. Amounts through 2019 based on BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2020. Changes for 2020 based on estimates provided by IEA Global Energy Review 2021.

Figure 2 shows that the biggest drop is in Tier 1: Coal and Oil. In many ways, coal and oil are foundational types of energy for the economy because they are relatively easy to transport and store. Oil is important because it is used in operating agricultural machinery, road repair machinery, and vehicles of all types, including ships and airplanes. Coal is important partly because of its low cost, helping paychecks to stretch further for finished goods and services. Coal is used in many ways, including electricity production and making steel and concrete. We use coal and oil to keep electricity transmission lines repaired.

Figure 2 shows that Tier 2 energy consumption per capita was growing rapidly in the 1965 to 1990 period, but its growth has slowed in recent years.

The Green Energy sources in Tier 3 have been growing rapidly from a low base, but their output is still tiny compared to the overall output that would be required if they were to substitute for energy from both Tier 1 and Tier 2 sources. They clearly cannot by themselves power today’s economy.

It is very difficult to imagine any of the Tier 2 and Tier 3 energy sources being able to grow without substantial assistance from coal and oil. All of today’s Tier 2 and Tier 3 energy sources depend on coal and oil at many points in the chain of their production, distribution, operation, and eventual recycling. If we ever get to Tier 4 energy sources (such as fusion or space solar), I would expect that they too will need oil and/or coal in their production, transport and distribution, unless there is an incredibly long transition, and a huge change in energy infrastructure.

[7] It is easy for energy researchers to set their sights too low.

[a] We need to be looking at the extremely low energy cost structure of the 1950s and 1960s as a model, not some far higher cost structure.

We have been hiding the world’s energy problems for years behind rising debt and falling interest rates. With very high debt levels and very low interest rates, it is becoming less feasible to stimulate the economy using these approaches. We really need very inexpensive energy products. These energy products need to provide a full range of services required by the economy, not simply intermittent electricity.

Back in the 1950s and 1960s, the ratio of Energy Earned to Energy Investment was likely in the 50:1 range for many energy products. Energy products were very profitable; they could be highly taxed. The alternative energy products we develop today need to have similar characteristics if they truly are to play an important role in the economy.

[b] A recent study says that greenhouse gas emissions related to the food system account for one-third of the anthropogenic global warming gas total. A way to grow sufficient food is clearly needed.

We clearly cannot grow food using intermittent electricity. Farming is not an easily electrified endeavor. If we do not have an alternative, the coal and oil that we are using now in agriculture really needs to continue, even if it requires subsidies.

[c] Hydroelectric electricity looks like a good energy source, but in practice it has many deficiencies.

Some of the hydroelectric dams now in place are over 100 years old. This is nearing the lifetime of the concrete in the dams. Considerable maintenance and repair (indirectly using coal and oil) are likely to be needed if these dams are to continue to be used.

The water available to provide hydroelectric power tends to vary greatly over time. Figure 3 shows California’s hydro electricity generation by month.

Figure 3. California hydroelectric energy production by month, based on data of the US Energy Information Administration.

Thus, as a practical matter, hydroelectric energy needs to be balanced with fossil fuels to provide energy which can be used to power a factory or heat a home in winter. Battery storage would never be sufficient. There are too many gaps, lasting months at a time.

If hydroelectric energy is used in a tropical area with dry and wet seasons, the result would be even more extreme. A poor country with a new hydroelectric power plant may find the output of the plant difficult to use. The electricity can only be used for very optional activities, such as bitcoin mining, or charging up small batteries for lights and phones.

Any new hydroelectric dam runs the risk of taking away the water someone else was depending upon for irrigation or for their own electricity generation. A war could result.

[d] Current approaches for preventing deforestation mostly seem to be shifting deforestation from high income countries to low income countries. In total, deforestation is getting worse rather than better.

Figure 4. Forest area percentage of land area, by income group, based on data of the World Bank.

Figure 4 shows that deforestation is getting rapidly worse in Low Income countries with today’s policies. There is also a less pronounced trend toward deforestation in Middle Income countries. It is only in High Income countries that land areas are becoming more forested. In total (not shown), the forested area for the world as a whole falls, year after year.

Also, even when replanting is done, the new forests do not have the same characteristics as those made by natural ecosystems. They cannot house as many different species as natural ecosystems. They are likely to be less resistant to problems like insect infestations and forest fires. They are not true substitutes for the forest ecosystems that nature creates.

[e] The way intermittent wind and solar have been added to the electric grid vastly overpays these providers, relative to the value they add to the system. Furthermore, the subsidies for intermittent renewables tend to drive out more stable producers, degrading the overall condition of the grid.

If wind and solar are to be used, payments for the electricity they provide need to be scaled back to reflect the true value that they add to the overall system. In general, this corresponds to the savings in fossil fuel purchases that electricity providers need to make. This will be a small amount, perhaps 2 cents per kilowatt hour. Even this small amount, in theory, might be reduced to reflect the greater electricity transmission costs associated with these intermittent sources.

We note that China is making a major step in the direction of reducing subsidies for wind and solar. It has already dramatically cut its subsidies for wind energy; new subsidy cuts for solar energy will become effective August 1, 2021.

A major concern is the distorting impact that current pricing approaches for wind and solar have on the overall electrical system. Often, these approaches produce very low, or negative, wholesale prices for other providers. Nuclear providers are especially harmed by such practices. Nuclear is, of course, a low CO2 electricity provider.

It seems to me that in each part of the world, some utility-type provider needs to be analyzing what the overall funding of the electrical system needs to be. Bills to individuals and businesses need to reflect these actual expected costs. This approach might avoid the artificially low rates that the current pricing system often generates. If adequate funding can be achieved, perhaps some of the corner cutting that leads to electrical outages, such as recently encountered in California and Texas, might be avoided.

[8] When I look at the requirements for a successful energy transition and the obstacles we are up against, it is hard for me to see that any of the current approaches can be successful.

Unfortunately, it is hard for me to see how intermittent electricity can save the world economy, or even make a dent in our problems. We have searched for a very long time, but haven’t yet found solutions truly worth ramping up. Perhaps a new “Tier 4 approach” might be helpful, but such solutions seem likely to come too late.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,781 Responses to How Energy Transition Models Go Wrong

  1. StarvingLion says:

    Here’s one for Fast Eddy…Johnny Coleman is wrong with the date however. Should say 2025.

    John Coleman — 4 Billion “Useless Eaters” to be Culled by 2050

    https://www.henrymakow.com/

    (Published in 1993)

    “At least 4 billion “useless eaters” shall be eliminated by the year 2050 by means of limited wars, organized epidemics of fatal rapid-acting diseases and starvation. Energy, food and water shall be kept at subsistence levels for the non-elite, starting with the White populations of Western Europe and North America and then spreading to other races.

    The population of Canada, Western Europe and the United States will be decimated more rapidly than on other continents, until the world’s population reaches a manageable level of 1 billion, of which 500 million will consist of Chinese and Japanese races, selected because they are people who have been regimented for centuries and who are accustomed to obeying authority without question.” (p. 105)

    To the people who own and run the planet, humanity has become a dead-weight except as servants and sex slaves. Below, MI-6 whistleblower John Coleman describes the covid end-game: A return to feudalism where a billion people will serve the super-rich.

    “The non-elite masses will be reduced to the level and behavior of controlled animals with no will of their own and easily regimented and controlled.”
    “Marriage shall be outlawed and there shall be no family life as we know it. Children will be removed from their parents at an early-age and brought up by wards as state property.”

    A pandemic with a minuscule death rate is not a pandemic.
    People lining up to get vaccinated are lemmings throwing themselves into a gorge.
    We hardly see anyone sneezing any more yet we’re supposed to believe this is a pandemic?
    We’re passengers on the Titanic, drinking, dancing and fornicating while the ship sinks.

    The Conspirator’s Hierarchy: The Story of Committee of 300 PDF PP. 104-107

    • Tim Groves says:

      Decimation won’t do it. That’s only a 10% reduction. The Elders are aiming to eliminate at least 90% of what Scrooge referred to as the surplus population.

  2. StarvingLion says:

    Here’s one Normie Paggett and Tim Groves can’t answer. Where is the experimental proof for the kinetic energy formula? There is none. Its a total fraud, scam. Imagine that, basic physics is just one big scam. Gail will be astonished.

    https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/132754/how-was-the-formula-for-kinetic-energy-found-and-who-found-it

    • try not to live your life with the certainty that everything is a fraud or a scam

      you will find yourself going round in ever decreasing circles

      that will lead to the certainty of your disappearance

      • StarvingLion says:

        Normie, cant I go to Oxford and get an education on how the UK is BANKRUPT?

        • Let’s treat the other commenters with respect. I am afraid you are right that Oxford won’t teach you how bankrupt the UK is. It will give all kinds of ridiculous theories about the future.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            DelusiSTANI is a term of endearment… kinda like one might name a pet…. so hopefully that is not considered against the rules….

            So is CovIDIOT actually… but only when used to address someone who has taken the INJECTION… when turned the other way around it’s derogatory

        • the ultimate reality is that all nations are bankrupt

          they just don’t know it yet

          we have all mortgaged our futures on the expectation of infinite cheap fuel supplies.

          the general ‘solution’ for most people is to vote for whatever prosperity they are offered at election time.

          i.e.–just put your X next to stupid

          It’s not the fault of politicians, they know no more that you or I do.
          To be fair, some try harder than others.

          (btw, a raging typing finger will just give you repetitive strain injury, especially on caps lock)

      • Maybe we should focus on making each day as good as it can be.

        Look for flowers blooming and small animals running or flying around.

        Compliment workers, if such compliments are in order. For example, if you see laborers working on someone’s lawn, let them know that they are doing a good job, if this is the case. Or if a waiter or waitress is doing a good job, let them know about it. Leave an adequate tip, in any case–-even more if extra is deserved.

        Look after the needs of your own family. Thank them for whatever they do for you.

        • Exactly right

          an elderly friend, (i.e. older than me) had a ‘tv fault’ he doesn’t have Internet so I fixed up a tv repair guy to visit. Repair guy laughed and pointed out he’d put a plant pot in front of of his channel change receptor.

          Refused to accept any payment for call out, even though it was an 8 mile round trip. He could have ‘fiddled around’ for a hour and charged £100–but he didn’t. Nobody would have been any the wiser.

          Said–add a comment on my website if you like, by way of payment

          which I duly did–in glowing terms, richly deserved I thought

          life can be pleasant if we make it so

        • Student says:

          These are beautiful and wise words. I totally agree. It is difficult to remind these points every day, but it’s important to do it.

    • Thierry says:

      “Where is the experimental proof for the kinetic energy formula? ” Well first, science only propose MODELS and never pretends to BE REAL.
      However, throw a billiard ball through a window (or on FE’s head, or Norman’s head, or anybody’s head) at different speeds and see the result.
      Then throw successively a tennis ball , and the billiard ball, each one at the same speed . Observe. You should be able to draw some conclusions.
      The theory of relativity did not refute Newton but proposed a better model. In this theory, the formula of kinetic energy is almost the same, except the 1/2 factor is replaced by the Lorentz factor.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_factor

      “Relativistic kinetic energy: The relativistic kinetic energy relation takes the slightly modified form:
      {\displaystyle E_{k}=E-E_{0}=(\gamma -1)m_{0}c^{2}}E_k = E – E_0 = (\gamma – 1) m_0 c^2
      As {\displaystyle \gamma }\gamma is a function of {\displaystyle {\tfrac {v}{c}}}{\tfrac {v}{c}}, the non-relativistic limit gives {\displaystyle \lim _{c\to \infty }E_{k}={\tfrac {1}{2}}m_{0}v^{2}}{\displaystyle \lim _{c\to \infty }E_{k}={\tfrac {1}{2}}m_{0}v^{2}}, as expected from Newtonian considerations.”

      Will you tell us that you propose a new and better theory?

    • Tim Groves says:

      Here are a couple for Lion Cub.

      Why should anyone at OFW be interested in debating basic physics problems?

      And why should Norm and me bee able to answer physics questions that even the experts can’t agree on?

      A lot of what is taken as Gospel by high-school physics teachers may well be rife with errors, but I’m not competent enough in math to be able to spot them. Quadratic equations and calculus are all Greek to me.

      How about a sports question?

  3. StarvingLion says:

    Crypto is one BIG SCAM.

    Eventually crypto will be associated in peoples minds as a currency used for criminal activity where any mention of the word crypto in the media will be associated with a crime.

    I think it will be seen that more MSM stories are associated with terrorism, money laundering and drug trafficking activity to the point where in the sheeps mind—-crypto bad, crypto dangerous.

    • Very Far Frank says:

      But you just said earlier that you’d bought a crypto because you saw me talk about it in the comments…

      You wouldn’t be thinking it’s all a big scam because there’s been a bear market for the past week right?

      If you did bet the family farm on my word, I’d say you should be aware about volatility in the market, and for now hold.

    • but crypto is a scam

      • Very Far Frank says:

        Crypto is a scam in the same sense as everything run on unsustainable energy use is a scam. Are human beings a ‘scam’? The term becomes meaningless at that point.

        • not quite

          money is a token of energy exchange/conversion

          crypto money does not carry any energy exchange/conversion

          it only carries energy consumption—ie electricity used at an ever increasing rate in ‘mining’ it.

      • Tim Groves says:

        try not to live your life with the certainty that everything is a fraud or a scam

        you will find yourself going round in ever decreasing circles

        that will lead to the certainty of your disappearance

        See what I did there?

        Irritating, isn’t it?

        Don’t imagine it’s any less irritating when you do it.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          crypto is a scam but the moon landing is real and the US govt had nothing to do with 911….

          I wonder how Norm decides.. which is which…

          • TY says:

            No need to decide ! That’s the beauty of Newspapers and TV’s !
            They decide for you, but expertly make the consumer believe that they are part of that knowledgeable crowd carefully evaluating the “expert” insights presented. What few notice are the unsaid assumptions underlying the whole discussion….

            • Tim Groves says:

              My two Japanese daily papers—I use a lot of cat litter—have been packed solid with corona pandemic and vaccine topics for months—an article or two on almost every two-page spread apart from the sports pages and the ads for products and services for old people, from retirement homes, to supplements, to hearing aids and incontinency pants.

              However, today, miraculously, coincidentally or conspiratorially, pandemic stories and vaccine stories are off the menu and the Olympics are getting attention.

              We can’t have people worrying about infectious diseases while we are trying to get them enthusiastic about the Games, can we? We need to give them a break.

  4. Fred says:

    “Strangely enough, in order for an economy to grow, essential items need to become an ever decreasing share of everyone’s budget, so that citizens have sufficient left-over income available for more optional items.”

    Really good point.
    But let that sink in.
    In other words, discretionary spending grows the economy.
    In other words, buying stuff one doesn’t really need grows the economy.
    In other words, we could get along well enough without the junk we buy, but that would crash our (stupid) economy.

    • Right! We can’t really get along without the junk that we buy because that would crash the economy.

      We need the jobs that the discretionary income makes available, to provide enough “demand” and enough jobs for all. Thus, we need the travel industry and a pharmaceutical industry focused on high-priced drugs and vaccines. We need an educational system, partly to provide childcare while mothers work, and partly to teach the young people something that fits in with current belief systems.

      We also need a certain amount of debt if we build any kind of long-lasting goods or services (factories, homes, vehicles, college educations, roads and bridges) so that we can pay for the cost of production in advance of when we really get the benefit of those goods and services.

      Of course, we don’t really know how much those goods and services are worth in the long run. In fact, they may not be worth as much as the current cost of production (or the cost of production plus interest). The temptation is to borrow far more than the true value being added. We have discovered this issue with at least some college educations.

  5. StarvingLion says:

    https://www.brighteon.com/4e563af6-c1dc-4b71-9561-9b217f1b78b5

    HOW THE COVID VIRUS SAVED INTEL & ISRAEL – THE GREATEST ESPIONAGE CASE IN HISTORY – ISRAEL & INTEL BACKDOOR THE PLANET

  6. StarvingLion says:

    So you exclude the important part of his message based on a technicality?

    Both coronavirus and influenza are single-stranded RNA viruses.They are enveloped viruses.They attack the respiratory system of humans.
    Both can cause mild to severe diseases including fevers, tiredness, coughing and pneumonia.Their infections spread through the air and by contact.

    So he made a mistake that its not a Corona. How does that discredit the rest of his reasoning?

    • Tim Groves says:

      It doesn’t discredit the rest of his reasoning. It discredits his reputation as a self-declared fond of knowledge on the subject.

      Also, he seems far too certain about future events that he can’t possibly know about for certain, and far too smug in his conviction that he is in the survivor group. But again, this does not discredit the rest of his reasoning. That stands or falls on its own merits.

  7. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    End of BAU?…Pedal to the metal…Balls to the wall…
    Think again BRO

    June 20 marked the highest number of U.S. travelers, 2.1 million, since the beginning of the pandemic in March 2020. However, this number is still 23% lower than pre-pandemic levels.

    Consequentially, other airlines are also gearing up to increase the number of pilots and overall employees to meet the increasing demand.

    Likewise, American Airlines (AAL) announced its plans to resume pilot hiring in the fall, with approximately 300 new pilots joining by the end of the year and double that number in 2022.

    Meanwhile, Southwest Airlines (LUV) expects to hire First Officers later this year “to support the airline’s 2022 operations and scheduled aircraft deliveries.” However, 500 pilots are still under its voluntary leave program.

    In addition, United Airlines Holdings (UAL) intends to add 300 new pilots in the coming weeks. Beyond that, incremental hiring will depend on the recovery trends. Longer-term, United plans to hire around 10,000 pilots by 2030.

    And Airports keep expanding with Master plans….
    Suppose we will need another Covid 2.O to knock these projections down to size…
    Yes, the sheeple must continue to believe it is possible to live the Good Life…
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/delta-air-lines-hire-1-133033577.html

    • It is not just airlines that are reaching limits. Hotels in popular vacation spots seem to be filling up. They also are reducing services to a minimum. No room service (clean towels, for example), unless such service is specially requested.

  8. Dennis L. says:

    Why a boring machine?

    Musk is seemingly working on a boring machine with questionable utility, unless.

    ah, the moon. Some here have mentioned radiation issues, seems they may be accounted for.

    Now, think solar cells and battery technology, for Tesla off the shelf.

    This is a long game, I referenced a video series with incredible production value and not that many subscribers, someone is behind it. With regard to batteries, Tesla is looking to mining, recognizes nickel is a limiting factor. Plenty of nickel in space.

    There seems to be a significant group of people on earth who recognize the challenges and are addressing them. The following video is a very expensive production, money came from somewhere.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v-DTS-ibow

    Film at eleven,

    Dennis L.

    • Nice advertisement showing wishful thinking.

      It is like some conspiracy theorists who think everything in the SF movies are already invented and ready to be deployed at the right time.

      However, again, no amount of wishful thinking can over come thermodynamics. Mining nickel in the space is simply ludicrous ; how can the ores be shipped with a reasonable cost, other than “God Elon will do it with His Divine Power” argument?

      And you did not answer me my rebuttal about the UFO theory.

      • Dennis L. says:

        I know nothing about UFOs so any comments are meaningless.

        The solar system seems to have worked out thermodynamics; one of the largest deposits of NI in Sudbury, ON dropped on earth, if it has been done, it can be done.

        Star Trek was insightful, communicators are now ubiquitous and more so. We seldom do exploratory surgery, MRI is much more effective cost wise and health wise – the size is still bigger than Mc Coy carried in his kit. We do robotic surgery, much less invasive. We have a space station, small, but a start, we have been to the moon, we are returning.

        It is so easy to see what can’t be done, so hard to recognize what has been done and what has been done is incredible. This seems to be some sort of a human, inborn trait; I am trying hard to understand it. It is the best of all times to be alive. Why? Because in reality it was the only choice we were given.

        We are not going to ship ores, we will ship the metal or perhaps finished products, we know how to decelerate things from space with ablative shields and minimal guidance if none to a great deal of accuracy. Primitive computers landed Apollo to within a mile, not bad when shooting from 250K miles away off a moving object to a moving object.

        There is a previous comment of mine, regarding the number of people now alive with an IQ in the top .1% – it is about 8M. That is a lot of thinking power. It is very likely they will not be interested in hunting and gathering.

        Dennis L.

  9. Yoshua says:

    The Fed is pumping in ~ $1.5T annually…or 7.5% of GDP…and it’s not enough.
    The government pumps in another ~ $6T annually…or 30% of GDP…and now it’s enough.

    It has caused a little bit of inflation and a tiny rise in yields and a mini crash in the dollar value.

    This is how bad the situation really is?

    • A person wonders how long the whole situation can go on. At some point, supply lines get too broken. Too many promised deliveries of good and services don’t really appear.

      Debt can be conveniently rolled over for a little longer, but actual goods and services cannot.

      Businesses may close because they cannot find enough workers, or they can’t get enough raw materials.

      In theory, the economy can support quite a few people, but not as many as today. Maybe there is a way that some aspects of the economy can continue, for some subset of the current population.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I suspect this can continue for as long as the supply of oil is insufficient to keep the bicycle from tipping over as it reaches stall speed

        After all… oil makes the world go round… not money

      • Dennis L. says:

        Gail,

        For some things if they are gone will it matter? Both Ford and GM seem bankrupt being held afloat by their trucks with margins of about $18k. Were they not made, would anyone miss them? The things are really hard to park, drive and fuel.

        Wealth seems to be more relative than absolute, once they are off the market, no one will care and work trucks will still be around.

        Dennis L.

  10. Mirror on the wall says:

    Abortion figures hit a new record in Britain in 2020, with ‘pills by phone’ introduced during lockdown. 25% of pregnancies end in medically induced abortion. There were 9.5+ million abortions in Britain between 1968, when abortion was legalised in Britain, and 2020. It will pass the 10 M mark in 2022/3.

    The UK fertility rate fell from 2.93 in 1964 to 1.6 in 2020; contraception was made available on the NHS for married women in 1961, and for all women in 1967.

    However, 9.5 M people in the UK in 2019 were born abroad – almost identical to the number of abortions; many of them have also had kids born here, and 35%-40% of kids are of other backgrounds. The population of UK was 55 M in 1968 and 67.8 M in 2020, with an ageing population.

    https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/uk_abortion_statistics/

    In 2019, a reported 223,102 abortions took place in Great Britain, up from 218,642 in 2018, 209,985 in 2017, and 202,524 in 2016.

    Approximately 24% of all pregnancies in Great Britain (excluding spontaneous miscarriages) currently end in abortion.

    In 2019, a reported 209,519 abortions took place in England and Wales, up from 205,295 in 2018, 197,533 in 2017, and 190,406 in 2016.

    Approximately 25% of all pregnancies (excluding spontaneous miscarriages) currently end in abortion.

    More than 8.8 million abortions occurred in England and Wales between 1968 and 2019.

    In 2019, a reported 13,583 abortions took place in Scotland—up from 13,347 in 2018, 12,452 in 2017, and 12,118 in 2016.

    Approximately 21% of all pregnancies in Scotland (excluding spontaneous miscarriages) currently end in abortion.

    More than 535,000 abortions occurred in Scotland between 1968 and 2019.

    [9.3+ M abortions in Britain 1968-2019]

    Also: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/abortion-statistics-for-england-and-wales-2020/abortion-statistics-england-and-wales-2020

    • Without access to today’s abortions and birth control, population would likely rapidly rise.

      Perhaps that is what Limits to Growth was modeling.

      The poor parts of the world have less access to both.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Yes, it is likely that the reality is that the world will soon be going back to the normal life cycle of a high birth rate and high infant morality, especially among the poor. The human population will gradually come to fit in with whatever level the available environment, energetics and tech can support.

        The population will be much lower, but it is unlikely that ‘birth strikes’ will be a thing, if history is anything to go by. It was always largely an illusion that anything much is under our conscious control. Humans generally have as many or as few kids as their socio-economic conditions determine, which remains true today.

        Obviously I largely eschew the ‘judgemental’ perspectives, because humans are gonna do what humans are gonna do, driven by organic drives and conditioned by socio-economic factors. We are organisms responding to internal and external stimuli, the same as all others, and things ultimately could not be different to how they are. So, it is what it is.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Gail,

        Not my area, no knowledge, honest question. Without birth control would women be happier or more miserable? The pill ushered in the sexual revolution, the cover of People says it all. More drugs, more sex, more stuff does not seem to have made a better or happier society. Things are becoming weird from my limited view point.

        Still, the world is going as it should, we are along for the ride.

        Dennis L.

        • my G/grandmother had 21 kids, 14 survived

          my grandmother had 9, in a 2 bed cottage, all survived. In between times she worked on the coal screens at the local pit.

          Childbirth was very dangerous. They were lucky to survive.

          I don’t think puberty to death child birthing is a recipe for happiness even though ‘modern’ life cannot be said to be entirely happy either. maybe we are not intended to be happy.

          the uproar against birth control was driven by men, as you might imagine.

          >>>>>Regarding his frank 1930 pronouncement on birth control, “Casti Connubii,” Pope Pius XI declared that contraception was inherently evil and any spouse practicing any act of contraception “violates the law of God and nature” and was “stained by a great and mortal flaw.”
          Condoms, diaphragms, the rhythm method and even the withdrawal method were forbidden. Only abstinence was permissible to prevent conception.<<<<<<

          controlling births allows a woman to rule her own life.

    • Ed says:

      What is the abortion rate among Muslin Britains?

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        I am not aware of any abortion stats for Muslims, J/ws or other religious minorities in Britain. A breakdown by broad ethnic grouping is as follows:

        “77% of women having abortions reported their ethnicity as White, 9% as Asian, 8% as Black, 4% as Mixed and 2% as Other. Ethnicity was recorded on 97% of the forms received for 2019 (Table 3a.vi).” https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/891405/abortion-statistics-commentary-2019.pdf

        That is probably broadly reflective of demographic composition, and religion does not seem to be particularly relevant. White school kids are 72.4% of the total (‘white British’ 64.9% as identified by parents, which seems to include Irish and some other European kids) – which is similar to the abortion stats.

  11. StarvingLion says:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/22/covid-booster-shots-coronavirus-variants-see-calls-for-third-shots.html
    .
    Coronavirus vaccine booster shots will likely be needed in the fall, according to experts, who are urging governments to organize them now.

    It comes as the Delta variant of the coronavirus, first identified in India, continues to spread rapidly across the world.

    Some countries, like the U.S. and U.K., have already signaled that they could roll out Covid-19 booster shots within a year. Now, pressure is building on governments to mobilize booster shot programs — no easy task given the ongoing uncertainties surrounding the pandemic, vaccines and variants.

    However, concrete plans for Covid-19 booster shots are lacking. Dr. Peter Marks, director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, last month said it was, “just something we’re gonna have to figure out as we go.”

    As talk of booster shots grow, here’s what we know so far:

    What?
    .
    First of all, there are question marks over whether we actually need a third dose of any Covid-19 vaccine given that we don’t know how long immunity currently lasts.

    In the U.S. and U.K. the shots being used are those from Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson, with the U.K. also relying heavily on the AstraZeneca-Oxford University vaccine.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      If they don’t get Devil Covid by fall… they will keep trying …. failure is not an option

  12. StarvingLion says:

    Frank said buy cardano crypto.

    So I did at 1.91. Now its 1.43.

    Holy Crap.

    • Bei Dawei says:

      Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances.

    • Very Far Frank says:

      HODL and keep for the long term- don’t react emotionally to the bitcoin crash. Bitcoin is out of date and the market is starting to realise that. With the Cardano price as it is, I’d say buy more.

      Give it a few years and you’ll see good returns, even from 1.91. Also, remember to stake to gain interest.

      • StarvingLion says:

        How high could it go?

        • StarvingLion says:

          Dogecoin is really getting clobbered.

          If Bitcoin is going out of business then Ethereum is the “safe” buy in the implosion?

          • Very Far Frank says:

            I wouldn’t call ETH ‘safe’- Buerin has come out and said that EHT 2.0 could be years away, and even then the gas fees will still exist.

            If you want to buy ETH, understand that it’s in much the same position as Bitcoin; outdated and economically unsound.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            This is the problem with Block Heads… they truly believe the BS…. so they don’t sell because they believe the price will always go higher….

            ‘Up until yesterday, I had been a millionaire’: This 33-year-old dogecoin investor refuses to sell despite losing over $167,000 in one day

            https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/22/millennial-dogecoin-investor-refuses-to-sell-despite-crypto-crash.html

            Even though DOG coin was created as a joke hahahaha….

        • Very Far Frank says:

          Conservatively, over the next 5 years, $10 – $15, but if you’re earning staking rewards during that time, you’ll be accruing even more Ada and therefore more value.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        But Frank… the time is now .. I need it to happen NOW… We don’t have years….

        I think there are around 1500 cryptos? Which ones are the winners Frank?

        This is a f789ing joke

    • StarvingLion says:

      Update: Cardano now at 1.37. By the time BTC crashes to 1000, ADA will be at 0.5.

      • Very Far Frank says:

        So buy more!

        If you recognise the underlying value of a blockchain backed by peer reviewed papers and constructed correctly, rather than quickly, it could go to 0.5 and you wouldn’t need to blink.

        Being the most economical, energy-efficient and scalable blockchain around is essentially what Cardano has been building studiously towards for years.

        If you want a view from Charles Hoskinson, the founder of Cardano on the latest developments, this is a good place to start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKh8hjJNhWc

        • My guess is that the long-term value of these crypto currencies is $0.00. I would buy tools to grow food plants instead. Or an extra pair of shoes.

          If countries issue their own digital currencies, they may have some value, as long as the country can actually provide goods and services.

          • Rodster says:

            “My guess is that the long-term value of these crypto currencies is $0.00.”

            That is correct. Crypto’s = Casino but then again so is Wall Street these days. China is aggressively cracking down and banning Crypto’s in their country. I expect others will follow.

          • StarvingLion says:

            The long-term being what, the month of july 2021? This chit is going down to zero right now.

            “I would buy tools to grow foot plants”

            Are you joking? Didn’t you watch Brother Bugnolo 19 minute video? I can’t think of anything else except what he said.

            We need to invent a flying saucer in 6 months or we are all done for.

            • Watching plants grow is fun, if nothing else. We can see a little of life self-organizing and growing. It probably won’t save the world, but it is at least a positive step.

          • Sam says:

            Good socks! I like the darn tough brand! But don’t tell everyone. I’m trying to get one pair per month

            • Sam says:

              The dollar will get so strong in a deflationary cycle that they will have to reset the system to digital- like Breton Woods after WW2.

          • Very Far Frank says:

            On a long enough timeline, yes. But we a lot of us thought 2005 would be the year we’d be happy for a new pair of shoes. Wasn’t the case.

            Crypto is a good contingency in the sense that trust in government will shoot down as inequality and inflation rises, which is the most likely outcome in the medium term.

          • Duncan Idaho says:

            You mean something that is worth nothing is actually worth nothing?
            Don’t you like capitalism?

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I wonder if Duncan and Norm will have a bare-fisted brawl over Dunc’s assertion that the End of Growth is a good (and survivable) thing.

              I’d definitely pay money to see that … can we get you guys to do a pay per view Zoom broadcast?

              Capitalism baaahhhhhhd right Dunc… Communism… gooooood! heheheheheh

          • geno mir says:

            You are spot on, Gale.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Ha ha ha block chain for Block Heads…

          https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/254573708/gumby_blockhead_400x400.jpg

          Remember 10+ years ago when we were told 3D printing was the future hahahahaha

          Oh … and self driving cars!!! hahahahaha

          A computer is going to safely drive a car when it can’t even do this hahahahahahaha

          https://assets.change.org/photos/5/lh/ou/BElHoUUqfADSIGU-1600×900-noPad.jpg

          There is NO future. For soon we die.

          In the meantime let’s have a contest to list the most ridiculous catch phrases of the past 20 years hahahahahaha Block Chain … hahahahahahahaha…

          Didn’t someone say that the Arctic is worming and causing everywhere else to get colder hahahahahahahaha

          Oh … and this is the best… why has Sweden’s health system not collapsed without lockdowns? hahahahahahahaha…

          I am enormously entertained as we head into the Meat Grinder 🙂

          Let’s check in on Mike – are you staying safe?

          Covid 19 coronavirus: Concerns if ‘explosive’ Delta variant identified

          Stricter measures than for past outbreaks could be on the cards if the Australian visitor turns out to have had the “explosive” Delta variant of Covid-19, a top scientist warns.

          From 6pm the Wellington region, including Wairarapa and Kapiti Coast, moved to alert level 2 until 11.59pm on Sunday.

          The news has led to thousands seeking Covid-19 tests and Healthline running hot.

          The change in alert levels comes after a Sydney man travelled to the region over the weekend before returning a positive Covid-19 result on his return to Australia.

          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-concerns-if-explosive-delta-variant-identified/LXHW5TDGK5ALGBH2WL5SGQQ4KQ/

          • Xabier says:

            Do they have sirens FE?

            They should have sirens, so all the trembling fools can get in their bunkers and hide from Delta.

            Some of the Nazi camps were run by mad bitches, just like Jacinda.

  13. Mrs S says:

    Father Bergolio suggests the unvaccinated invest in hazmat suits so we can bury the dead.

    https://www.fromrome.info/2021/06/18/br-bugnolo-when-the-flu-season-comes-the-chaos-will-begin-prepare-yourselves-now/

    • Rodster says:

      And yet with or without Covid 19 everyone eventually dies. 😉 There’s a 99.5% chance you and everyone else will die from something other than Covid 19.

      • Mrs S says:

        He’s particularly worried about the vaccination causing antibody dependent enhancement and thus mass death this winter.

        He says the people who took the vaccine are idiots and cowards who won’t get into heaven because they couldn’t be bothered to educate themselves.

        I find it hard to fault his logic.

      • Xabier says:

        The SUSPENSE is just killing me……..

        Sunlight has just returned here in England: this leads to a condition of euphoria which no injectable/sniffable substance can possibly equal.

        Maybe funeral pyres will brighten up the coming winter? Ah, but the smell……

        • Rodster says:

          Euphoria is due to freedom. BoJo is a tyrant and globalist. Looking back now, Theresa May is looking to be the better leader and that isn’t saying much.

    • Yorchichan says:

      An excellent video. Only a few months to wait to see if he and many others are correct.

      • Minority Of One says:

        Agreed. I don’t remember hearing any doctor / virologist talking so bluntly.

        • postkey says:

          “Masterclass on SARS-CoV-2.”

          • Tim Groves says:

            Dr. Richard Fleming, a renowned Cardiologist and the man who criticized Atkins for his diet and then, after Atkins collapsed and died on the pavement, obtained the autopsy report through a freedom of information request and told the world that Atkins had clogged arteries and died as a result of his stoopid diet.

            I watched this last week and learned a lot. It is over two hours long. He provides a lot of information and background on the history of this virus and the vaccines that are being used, unwisely in his view, to fight it.

            I would put Dr. Flemming in the Parthenon right next to Yeadon, Vanden Bossche and Bridle.

            Also, if you watch this carefully, you’ll see clearly that Dr. Fleming is one of those shape shifting reptilians that David Icke is always warning us about. From time to time when he moves, black lumps form around his head and occasionally a hunchback silhouette appears above his right shoulder.

    • I wonder if we really know, “Within two years, everyone who has taken the corona vaccine will be dead.”

      This sounds a little “over the top” to me.

      • Student says:

        Making some research on internet, Mr. Bugnolo seems to be a Franciscan Monk with double citizenship (Italy and US). He seems to be more in favour of the previous Pope (Ratzinger, who is still alive) than the current one. He seems like Monsignor Viganò a person in contrast with the current Roman Church.
        I can tell you that very few people know him in Italy.
        But apart from whose side is on and if he is right or wrong, my humble suggestion is to bring scientific evidences instead of religious opinions.
        And I say that respecting all religions, of course.
        Having said that – as we don’t have all the elements to understand the situation – he also might be right. of course, but, with him, at this stage, we are in the territory of opinions.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        He sounds like a nutter, likely an hysterical fanatic.

        A quick glance suggests that he dwells in apocalyptic narratives rather than sober analyses.

        I have met many RC who think like that (a small minority of the overall). It seems to have seeped in from fundamentalist Protestantism. Traditionalist RC, and particularly sedevacantists, are more prone to those narratives – perhaps ironically. But there is complex hermeneutic involving 19th and early 20th c. Marian ‘apparitions’, medieval mystics and patristic theologians – and some early 20th c. ones too.

        It is easy to dismiss it as ‘bonkers’ but it ‘makes sense’ to them in their approach to contemporary events. Many of them manage to function more or less normally in society while entertaining those notions.

        • Mrs S says:

          No he’s not a nutter.

          I watched some of his videos in 2020 – he was onto the WEF and the Great Re-set very early on.

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            I am not sure that they are mutually exclusive – the apocalyptic minded RC tend to be very open to secular narratives that ‘gel’. MHFM are popular examples, but they all do it.

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            This is MHFM, a small US monastery who are popularly associated with RC apocalypticism, although it was a thing before them. They are quite entertaining. You can see how they mix theological themes with interpretations of current ecclesiastical and secular events. The book of Revelations itself presents a radical elision of sacred and secular events in a contemporary historical moment. RC apocalyptic types were inevitably going to absorb covid themes and Br. Bugnolo is one example.

          • there we go

            the great reset again

            when it arrives I shall miss it because I won’t know what it is

      • Mrs S says:

        It’s certainly a worst-case scenario, I’ll grant you that.

        If it’s true I’ll need more than a spade and a hazmet suit to bury all the people who’ve had it in my town. A mechanical digger would be more in order.

      • StarvingLion says:

        “This sounds a little “over the top” to me.”

        Compared to what?

        Mandated experimental vaxx for all? Lockdowns? Renewable Energy BULLSHIT? NASA BULLSHIT? GLOBAL WARMING BULLSHIT? CLIMATE CHANGE BULLSHIT? KINETIC ENERGY FORMULA BULLSHIT? WTC BULLSHIT? ETC ETC

        Really, who are you and NormDunce fooling?

        • try to create your own words of abuse

          originality is everything. the English language is very accommodating.

          you don’t happen to live in Tennessee, Alabama or somewhere do you?

      • Mike Roberts says:

        Yes, and more than a little over the top.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Montagnier never said that.

          He said Injecting a Leaky Vaccine during a Pandemic is Unthinkable

    • Peak Oil Pete says:

      I turned him off when he stated that Infuenza A & B are also corona virus’.
      The Influenza virus is NOT a Corona.
      He immediately lost all credibility to comment on such a subject.

      • Tim Groves says:

        I also twigged that. It’s a major error that somebody competent in the field would never make.

        Of course, his idea about ADE killing everyone who’s taken the jab sound superficially plausible, but as Gail said, it sounds a little “over the top”.

        I read this article in Nature from the summer of 2020, which expresses concern but is cautious, reassuring, and speaks of lack of evidence rather than taking an alarmist position. The conclusion is as follows.

        It is clear that after many years, and considerable attention, the understanding of ADE of disease after either vaccination or administration of antiviral antibodies is insufficient to confidently predict that a given immune intervention for a viral infection will have negative outcomes in humans. Despite the importance that such information would have in the COVID-19 pandemic, in vitro assays do not predict ADE of disease. Most animal models of vaccines and antibody interventions show protection, whereas those that suggest potential ADE of disease are not definitive and the precise mechanisms have not been defined. Although ADE is a concern, it is also clear that antibodies are a fundamentally important component of protective immunity to all of the pathogens discussed here, and that their protective effects depend both on the binding of viral proteins by their Fab fragments and on the effector functions conferred by their Fc fragments. Even when vaccine formulations such as formalin inactivation have shown disease enhancement, neutralizing antibodies with optimized properties have been protective. Further, the potential mechanisms of ADE of disease are probably virus-specific and, importantly, clinical markers do not differentiate severe infection from immune enhancement. Additional mechanism-focused studies are needed to determine whether small-animal and NHP models of virus infection, including for SARS-CoV-2, can predict the probable benefits or risks of vaccines or passive-antibody interventions in humans. Optimizing these models must be informed by understanding the correlates of protection against SARS-CoV-2 in natural human infection and as vaccines and antibodies are evaluated in humans. Such mechanistic and in vivo studies across viral pathogens are essential so that we are better prepared to face future pandemics. In the meantime, it will be necessary to directly test safety and define correlates of protection conferred by vaccines and antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 and other viral pathogens in human clinical trials.

        https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2538-8

        • I noticed the “Influenza viruses A and B are also corona viruses” error first, but stuck around until he said the vaccinated would all be dead in two years.

        • Minority Of One says:

          “speaks of lack of evidence rather than taking an alarmist position.”

          Seems odd to me that in some (all?) earlier trials that tested similar mRNA vaccines, all or most of the animals died, but we should not be alarmist now due to lack of evidence?

          Why would anyone release such a vaxxine without absolutely rock sold evidence that the same type of die-off will not occur to humans, even on a smaller scale?

          More bizarre, we will only have the evidence once people start dropping off like flies, should that be how things pan out. An odd way to collect evidence.

          Seems like we are crossing our fingers and ‘hoping’.

          • Artleads says:

            Thought I read on here that Dr. Yeadon believed there was a way for the vaccinated to “recover?”

            • Xabier says:

              I believe he and Bakhdi say there might be some hope in not taking any more, that the damage is unpredictable, possibly cumulative, and may be mitigated that way.

              When I warn people, I suggest they need not despair, just don’t take the ‘boosters’.

              Our bodies are immensely surprising and complex in their reactions. For instance, I react very badly to air pollution, when others just get sore eyes.

              Look at how 80% or so of injectees don’t even experience the nasty side-effects, although that says nothing about the longer-term of course.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Xabier, you should visit the Optrex webpage.

              It’s a site for sore eyes, Boom! Boom!

          • postkey says:

            “so there is uh real evidence showing
            67:28 that
            67:28 in humanized mice that this prion-like
            67:31 domain
            67:32 produces uh spongiform encephalopathy or
            67:35 what the general public refers to as mad
            67:37 cow disease
            67:38 uh with the deaths of 95 of those mice
            67:41 occurring
            67:42 in two weeks which is a year and a half
            67:43 for humans”

          • Tim Groves says:

            Seems odd to me that in some (all?) earlier trials that tested similar mRNA vaccines, all or most of the animals died, but we should not be alarmist now due to lack of evidence?

            Perhaps the animal tests and the current human tests are not testing precisely the same thing? Adjustments may have been made. Different ingredients may have been added to the brew.

            If everyone who took the jab was going to be dead inside of two years, it would be reasonable to suppose a fair percentage would have already died in the six months since jabbing began. And that hasn’t happened. At most, one in 10,000 have died, and many of them were old and might have died anyway.

            Anyway, must dash. Got to beat the rush and find me a fashionable hazmat suit.

            This is a must listen!!

        • Xabier says:

          We must be alert, observe, trust no official communication without verification – and no unofficial however tempting – and wait…..

          The attempted coup d’etat, the imposition of a technocratic Totalitarian system, the dismantling of liberal democracy and human rights is undeniable, as is the rising toll of ‘vaccine’ deaths and injuries, and the ongoing destruction of legacy SME’s and the move to rapid, forced, digitisation.

          But as regards the injections there are now several plausible Doom hypotheses – Bridle, Malone, Geert v. d. Bossch, Yeadon, Bakhdi, Cahill, etc.

          Let’s see what transpires: and in the meantime the prudent won’t let that dubious rubbish in their bodies, or into the children.

          They will also arm themselves in every way, but above all spiritually and mentally.

        • In looking at your quote from the Nature article, I see that it says:

          “it will be necessary to directly test safety and define correlates of protection conferred by vaccines and antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 and other viral pathogens in human clinical trials.”

          This is exactly what we need. It is the lack of adequate human trials that has been, and continues to be, a big problem.

    • VFatalis says:

      Flame throwers would be more useful

  14. Bei Dawei says:

    “Alex” is funny today. (He talks about space!)

    https://www.alexcartoon.com/index.cfm?cartoon_num=7923

    • Past videos about demolition of buildings; buildings burning.

      • Artleads says:

        Demolition? To borrow a now famous phrase from Groucho: I’m against it.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Notice how they don’t crash to the ground…. like Building 7… which apparently was taken down by a fire… which you cannot even see hahahahahhahhahhahahahahhhahahahahaha x 10000000000000000000000000

        My brother used to work on tall buildings as an architect with SOM… he says buildings are built so they don’t crash to the ground if the catch on fire…. he also will not join the Architects and Engineers 911 people because 1. what’s the point (he also believes there is a small group of people who run the world and they don’t give a sh it about AE911 and 2. He has his own firm that bids on government contracts and he has now interest in rocking that boat.

        Most architects and engineers likely understand this is a stitch up … but why say anything?

        It’s just like Bossche says large numbers of people he knows in his industry understand that the ‘vaccine’ story is a stich up and that it’s main purpose is to create deadly variants… but why say anything – hasn’t gotten GVB very far has it… nor will it

        There is 0 upside to opposing the Elders.. ZERO

        • Xabier says:

          Highly credible

          Like a friend of mine who owned a hedge fund: he had a good case against the Chinese government, and was amazed when a law firm told him that there was no case (turning down a huge pay cheque, of course).

          Later, the lawyers, when pressed, admitted that the case was very strong, but they didn’t want to provoke the CCP and get blacklisted, and they made a lot of their money there, so……

  15. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Cargo Is Piling Up Everywhere, And It’s Making Inflation Worse.

    “The Port of Los Angeles just logged its busiest month in history, handling more than 1 million shipping containers in May, more than half loaded with imports from Asia.”

    https://wskg.org/npr_story_post/cargo-is-piling-up-everywhere-and-its-making-inflation-worse/

  16. Harry McGibbs says:

    “American Airlines cancels hundreds of flights, cites labor shortages.

    “Labor shortages are among the reasons American Airlines is being forced to cancel hundreds of flights through at least mid-July. The airline had 120 cancellations on Saturday alone and is projecting at least 50 to 80 flight cancellations a day going forward.”

    https://www.nbc15.com/2021/06/21/american-airlines-cancels-hundreds-flights-cites-labor-shortages/

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Greece struggles to find tourism workers due to risk of more lockdowns…

      “The problem threatens to exert a serious drag on the country’s recovery from the pandemic, given tourism’s central importance to the economy. “It’s the first time we are facing such a shortage in the industry,” said George Kavathas, president of Greece’s federation of restaurants and related professions.”

      https://www.ft.com/content/98fe5478-89fc-44cc-8b61-4630b1e64ddb

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Here in Queenstown businesses are struggling to hire… Kiwis don’t want to live here and work in low wage jobs (housing is very expensive) so that leaves foreigners… and Ardern the Donkey is not approving visas…

        I was speaking to a mate the other day who manages a backpackers… he has been waiting for his visa for 10 weeks… so he’s not earning anything … his partner works in a restaurant – she is doing TWELVE hour shifts without a single break…

        And ski season is kicking off…

        Or maybe not – Wellington is heading into a lockdown — maybe Ardern knew this was coming so instructed immigration not to approve visas? Kinda like how people who were so sick that they ‘died on the street’ in China … when you’d think if you were THAT sick… you’d be home in bed?

        CEP

        • Fillmore East says:

          Hi Fast Eddy,

          Can you explain the CEP reference? Thanks!

          • Xabier says:

            FE is currently refreshing his immense IQ.

            ‘CEP’ = Compassionate Extinction Plan, formulated by the Elders to avoid a messy and violent end to the Oil Age.

            • Fillmore East says:

              Thanks Xabier. Fast Eddy’s wit, sarcasm and production value is incomparable.

              The Elders are tools in my opinion. There is a higher order intelligence at work for better or worse. I’m enjoying coronacircus dot com’s take on the situation.. eschatology, chaos magic and accelerationism intended to create division and loss of trust in institutions. Vaccine mandates and adverse reactions, promises for invasive biotechnology, political and social justice theatre and archetypal villains like Gates and Fauci are all distractions from the goal to usher in the Aeon of Horus. We shall see. Take care!

        • Dennis L. says:

          Many years ago when I had a fair number of employees I always wondered why they came to work. Keeping a team together was the major challenge. At their salary level(they were paid relatively well, benefits, etc.) not working didn’t affect their life very much.

          Maybe many people have found they have enough and want to savor the moment, no opinion, don’t know.

          Some of us work because it is what we are, in advanced societies, how many people have to work? Probably less that employed.

          Dennis L.

    • With all of the programs giving handouts to people who aren’t working, it is hard to find enough workers anywhere.

      Also, an amazing number of people are still afraid of COVID-19 risk.

  17. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Emerging markets are right to worry about capital flows…

    “…with extraordinarily loose money supply and low returns in the rich world, emerging markets inevitably become a destination of choice for investors looking for high yields. And when the cycle turns, capital flows revert abruptly, leaving emerging country asset and currency markets in turmoil.”

    https://www.ft.com/content/30652b8d-8aff-444a-a703-fd8582058c69

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “The emerging markets (EMs) may face a tough situation ahead, as the United States Federal Reserve (Fed) speeds up its time frame for hiking interest rates, and indicates the start of talks to scale back its massive bond buying…

      “Despite the Fed saying it will raise rates in 2023, there is a possibility of it doing so in the second half, or first half of 2022. This will have a detrimental effect on EMs…”

      https://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2021/06/22/emerging-markets-brace-for-us-rate-hikes

      • There is no way that interest rates can be raised or the ease of credit can be cut back, without pushing the whole system down, I am afraid.

        • theblondbeast says:

          Nobody is really in charge of interest rates. The FED can say they are changing their target funds rate, but this is a small portion of domestic transactions only. Interest rates (other than overnight rates set by CB’s), especially long term interest rates, are set globally by the banking system and are the result, not the cause of, levels of economic growth. See Reconsidering Monetary Policy: An Empirical Examination of the Relationship Between Interest Rates and Nominal GDP Growth in the U.S., U.K., Germany and Japan.

          (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800916307510#bb0010)

          • Christopher says:

            There is also QE. CB buying of securities keeps all kinds of interest rates low.

        • Dennis L. says:

          I agree, GM and Ford have $300B of debt, going down later is better than going down sooner.

          Elon might once again be prescient – Tesla started in a retired GM factory.

          Dennis L.

  18. Harry McGibbs says:

    “China cracks down on iron ore market… Price tumbles after top economic planning agency says it will probe ‘malicious speculation’…

    “Beijing has launched a review into record prices for key steelmaking ingredient iron ore, opening another front in its campaign to suppress high commodities prices.”

    https://www.ft.com/content/15cd3efc-3dbe-46a6-8692-bdf20734101c

  19. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Chances are that the timing on rate hikes will be much sooner than we have been led to believe… there is one thing becoming clearer by the day. Interest rates, currently at the lowest level in history, have bottomed.

    “The argument about rate rises now merely is a debate about when.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-21/analysis-verrender-why-you-should-lock-in-rates-now/100229638

  20. Harry McGibbs says:

    “World currently seeing the ‘worst cascade of human rights setbacks of our lifetimes’, UN chief says.

    “The United Nations rights chief called Monday for “concerted action” to help recover from the worst global deterioration of rights seen in decades, highlighting situations in China, Russia and Ethiopia among others…

    “”Extreme poverty, inequalities and injustice are rising. Democratic and civic space is being eroded,” she warned.”

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/world-currently-seeing-the-worst-cascade-of-human-rights-setbacks-of-our-lifetimes-un-chief-says

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Poorer nations bear brunt of global development fund dry up: UN.

      “The COVID-19 crisis has caused a severe fall in global foreign direct investment (FDI), with investment flows dropping by a third – from $1.5 trillion in 2019 to $1 trillion – in 2020, a new report from the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) has warned.”

      https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/6/21/poorer-nations-bear-brunt-of-global-development-fund-dry-up-un

    • Xabier says:

      Hmm, and Britain, Germany Spain , France, Ireland, Italy, etc?

      Human and civic rights have been crushed there, too.

    • “Human rights” are only possible because of the surplus energy the economy has.

      Human rights expand when more and more energy per capita is available. They get squeezed when available energy falls.

      • that’s an almost impossible concept to put across Gail

        Mainly, I think, because it is so stupidly simple.

        everyone seeks a ‘grand plot’—or something like the Bilderberg group—or some such. (can’t you understand there’s a conspiracy to subjugate us all??) One has to laugh.

        ”Democracy is the child of plenty.
        in poverty it becomes an orphan and starves to death” (NP)

        ir really is as simple as that. It is clearly written in the history of the 20th c.

        everyone screams about collapsing democracy, and the rise of the ‘extreme right’—- but we all consumed the means by which it might have survived.

      • Xabier says:

        Mass franchise democracies are, of course, a product of the political and economic conditions of the 19th and early 20th centuries.

        And even in the 1920s it was being said that ‘democracy had failed ‘- hence Mussolini, Franco, Hitler, and the new ‘ideal state’, Soviet Russia.

        The concept of rights pertaining to individuals, classes and communities is far, far older than industrial civilisation.

        Such kinds of rights have validity even if that civilisation collapses.

        As I’ve shown before, even hunter gatherers recognise individual human rights, defined according to the conditions of their lives.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Not a cynic, not a critical question. How do you see human rights in the New Testament?

        Dennis L.

        • human rights do not exist where there is no cheap surplus energy

          mainly because energy extraction/conversion (until this era) has been by muscle power alone—human or animal.

          This has been the case throughout recorded history, New Testament or other times.

          Only ‘elites’ had anything that we might call human rights.

          Women didn’t. They were traded in marriage contracts. Children didn’t. they were expected to work at something from early childhood. The average man didn’t. About 98% of people worked the land. What surplus he produced was taken by his local lord. Even the church was allowed tithe by law.

          Surpluses could be extracted from slave labour. Buying a slave was the same as buying farm machinery–You used it until it was worn out. Then bought another one.

          Fossil fuels allowed that to change

          It is only temporary

  21. el mar says:

    https://www.vaccineprobe.com/

    Good information pool regarding vax.

  22. Minority Of One says:

    Dr. Byram Bridle is one of the Canadian doctors trying to promote discussion of the vaxxines, and there side effects. Someone who calls him/herself ‘a concerned scientist’ has created a website called https://byrambridle.com/, giving the impression that it is Bryan Bridle’s website but in the ‘small print’ at the very bottom states: “Please note, Byram Bridle has never – at any time – owned this domain”.

    There is also conveniently a box to send a message to the creator of the website. Here is the message I sent:

    “I like Dr Byram Bridle and trust him completely. Can’t say the same for you.”

    • Xabier says:

      Dr Mike Yeadon was also attacked via a fake Twitter account, set up to libel him with extreme views.

      Shows the kind of scum we’re dealing with.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Basically the same people who organized 911 and killed 3000 people then used this as pretext to invade multiple countries…

        One can see their line of reasoning … 8B are way too many… everyone has to die eventually… we need oil desperately…

        So 3000 performed a community service …

        And there are people who think that making presentations on Bitchute are going to stop the CEP.

        Extreme and massive violence was the only way this could have been stopped… but that was never going to happen… and now it’s too late — 2B+ have been Injected…

        The needle’s in … the damage is done… Heh Heh… My My….

        • I know this is your only audience

          But I think this ‘organised murder’ of 3000 people fixation indicates that you need some kind of help.

          I don’t have to live with it, and can regard it with mild amusement.

          I am concerned for those who do.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            US govt would never kill innocent people … right?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

            They’d never bomb people and blame it on communists – right?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

            • every government, almost without exception, has been responsible for killing innocent people. Usually in far off places, sometimes on home territory.

              Any slant of research will come up with that.

              My concern was the overriding fixation that CIA operatives brought down the WTC, in collusion with passing aircraft—which goes on and on——-and on.
              For a purpose as yet undefined.

              My comment was not made in humour or sarcasm or annoyance. (even though it is)
              We all say daft things. I do. Next day, or even an hour later I’ve forgotten what it was.

              This has been mithering on for about 5 years. Roughly the same period that mass social media took hold. (The actual event was 20 years ago) That should tell you something. The advantage of mass media is that you’ll always find someone to agree with you.

              There’s something wrong. I am not qualified to say what it is.

              This is your only audience. We have the privilege of pressing delete.

            • https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/28/canada-remains-indigenous-children-mass-graves

              Canadian government responsible for slaughtering the innocents, hundreds are now found to have died through a deliberate policy of neglect, over about a century. They didn’t sneak in and blow them all up at once.

              And Canadians are supposed to be good guys.

              **********

              For many years, I’ve said the end of the oil will come not through shortage, but by fighting over what’s left.

              We are now in the process of fighting over what’s left.
              That includes the rise of extreme right wing dictators. (as also in Germany and Japan in ww2) Extremists are the product of desperate peoples. (Hence Trump) There will be another Trump–trust me on that one.

              Oilwars kicked off after the USA passed peak production. (1970) The politics that that set off invited retaliation, hence 9/11 30 years later. The Americans were screwing the Middle East.
              They struck back.
              There’s been chaos there ever since.

              Wait till the US fleet leaves the gulf—you ain’t seen nothin yet.

              I am still amazed you haven’t linked Kennedy’s assassination to the fact he started the Apollo program.

              I’m thinking of designing a new app:

              Rentaplot.

              I think it will be a great success

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Aha… we have a 500k per year job for you Norm… you can be the head of the committee to investigate deaths of natives…

              Let me know if you want it and I will email you the Oath of Allegiance that all my minions sign

            • Obviously the (proven) slaughter by deliberate neglect of children over a period of 100 years is worth no more than an opportunity for (imagined) humour of the worst possible taste.. I expected nothing more though.

              however, thank you for your offer.

              But I am currently involved in investigating the motives of the Elders and Deep Staters who gave the initial contracts to clad UK apartment blocks (google Grenfell Tower) with an insulation material which was essentially oil based,

              And then deliberately set fire to it to get rid of surplus population.

              Obviously another ‘grand plot’, which hardly anyone is aware of as yet.

              I feel sure you will want to rectify that as soon as possible.

              But I daresay you are busy right now analysing the plot surrounding the collapse of the tower in Miami.

            • Never attribute to avarice what can be explained by stupidity.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              But Norm .. I jest… yet you support the Injecting of Children with an experimental treatment… and they are dying… or being maimed….

              This makes Norm a ________________

              https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-vaers-data-deaths-adverse-events-covid-vaccines-including-children/

              https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/david-mallozzi-myocarditis-pfizer-vaccine-hospital-not-reporting-vaers/

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Neil Young disgraces himself

        Healthcare workers are seen wearing masks and stacking boxes of medical supplies in England, as packed beaches in Florida flash across the screen. “People tryin’ to save this earth/from an ugly death,” Young warns. “Have to shut the whole system down/all around the planet.”

        The “Shut It Down 2020” video was made “as a document of Earth’s reaction to 2020’s pandemic,” Young wrote on his Archives site. It was inspired by fans, who submitted letters to the site to express that the track has taken on a new meaning in this difficult time.

        “Ignore the actions of world leaders who are too vain to wear masks,” Young wrote. “They are not leading. Putt your own vanity away for the good of your fellow man; wear a mask in public to stop the spread.”

        https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/neil-young-shut-it-down-2020-coronavirus-981072/

  23. Harry McGibbs says:

    “South Korea’s asset value has neared the levels running up to the Asian financial crisis of 1997-1998 and global financial crisis of 2008-2009, raising alarm about financial risk building up, a study by the central bank showed.”

    https://pulsenews.co.kr/view.php?year=2021&no=603013

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “South Korea’s financial system at risk over fast-growing household debt.

      “South Korea’s household debt is inviting concerns about the country’s economic resilience as its accumulated debt has grown more, relative to income, than that of any other economy.”

      http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20210614000821

      • Faster growing household debt in South Korea than elsewhere would be quite a feat! According to the article:

        “The country’s household debt-to-GDP ratio increased from 62.7 percent at the end of 2008 to 90.3 percent as of the end of March. The figure is much higher than the global average of 76.1 percent and 81.0 percent for advanced economies.”

  24. Fast Eddy says:

    Norm says – how is it possible to keep a conspiracy a secret….

    Very easy. When most people are MOREONS…. you can show them proof of the conspiracy … and still… and still…….. hahahahaha…. crazy huh!

    https://youtu.be/bdQHKf48Mfw?t=1922

    Let’s watch the controlled demolition of Building 7 hahahahaha

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?320748-5/washington-journal-architects-engineers-911-truth

  25. Fast Eddy says:

    Who’s more famous? Who says that other than Kim?

    She sounds like a mini-Elizabeth Holmes….

    Dragon judge’s Red Letter Days slides into administration

    The business run by television personality Rachel Elnaugh last night collapsed into administration after months of accounting difficulties and rows with an increasing number of suppliers.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2005/aug/02/media.business

    • Rachel Elnaugh, on the video, says that Bill Gates has a Messiah complex. He thinks he is going to save humanity by wiping out large numbers of people. (No wonder his wife is divorcing him!) I didn’t listen to much of the video interview with Rachel Elnaugh, I am afraid.

      Fast Eddy compares Rachel Elnaugh with Elizabeth Holmes. Her business is failing.

      According to Wikipedia, Elizabeth Holmes was the founder and chief executive of Theranos. Theranos soared in valuation after the company claimed to have revolutionized blood testing by developing testing methods that could use surprisingly small volumes of blood, such as from a fingerprick. By 2015, Forbes had named Holmes the youngest and wealthiest self-made female billionaire in America on the basis of a $9-billion valuation of her company. The next year, following revelations of potential fraud about Theranos’s claims, Forbes had revised its published estimate of Holmes’s net worth to zero, and Fortune had named her one of the “World’s Most Disappointing Leaders”.

      • as I’ve been saying

        when a new name is tossed into the verbal arena—always always always check it independently

        it’s often found to be etched on a soap bubble

  26. Fast Eddy says:

    GVB has been a very busy beaver!!! He’s got time on his hands having destroyed all career prospects by speaking out…

    Here’s news — everyone’s career prospects are NIL.

    Why are most countries not yet affected by enhanced circulation of increasingly immune resistant variants despite an advanced stage of their mass vaccination campaigns?

    Full-fledged vaccine resistance is not yet observed as it may take much longer for a combination of multiple synergizing immune escape mutations to occur in a sufficient number of individuals in the population. However, once these immune escape variants are present in sufficient frequency, they will establish rapidly in populations that are subject to mass vaccination (due to widespread S-directed immune selection pressure). It is, however, important to note that during this period of pandemic quiescence, vaccination may lead to an increased risk of ADE as S protein from intermediate variants, which possess only a subset of the S-associated mutations required for full resistance to the vaccine, may still be recognized (but not neutralized) by vaccinal Abs (see above).

    Will mass vaccinations have a different outcome depending on geographic and/ or demographic factors?

    Regardless of the current evolutionary dynamics of the pandemic in any given country, immune escape variants will ultimately converge to a common adaptive endpoint, which is full resistance to S-directed nAbs induced by Covid-19 vaccines or resulting from natural infection. The speed at which Sars-CoV-2 is expected to develop resistance to S-specific nAbs induced by the current vaccines or acquired following natural infection will – among other, above-mentioned factors – depend on the speed at which mass vaccination campaigns are conducted. Enrolling youngsters and children in these mass vaccination campaigns is only going to rapidly expand the breeding ground for nAb-resistant variants and expedite the evolution depicted above.

    Could an immediate and global halt of mass vaccination campaigns still prevent the emergence of more harmful viral recombinations or resistance of Sars-CoV-2 to Covid-19 vaccines?

    A global and immediate halt of mass vaccination campaigns would allow to diminish immune selective pressure exerted on sites within the S protein that mediate nAb evasion. However, at this fairly advanced stage of the global mass vaccination program, it is probably already too late to prevent viral resistance to S-Abs, even if mass vaccination campaigns would immediately and globally be halted, and even though vaccine coverage rates are still fairly low in a number of low-income countries.

    Consequently, it is reasonable to assume that an immediate halt of all Covid-19 vaccination campaigns could at most delay full resistance of Sars-CoV-2 to the vaccines by a few months.

    hahaha… GREAT —- we are past the point of no return!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/why-the-ongoing-mass-vaccination-experiment-drives-a-rapid-evolutionary-response-of-sars-cov-2

    https://www.lookandlearn.com/history-images/preview/M/M186/M186022_Julius-Caesar-crossing-the-Rubicon-49-BC.jpg

    • Xabier says:

      And to think, in the midst of all of this unfolding nightmare many are still avidly following market news, cursing the Fed, feverishly working out how to beat the system and protect their wealth – to enjoy in decades ahead.

      Even if Geert is incorrect in his theoretical hypothesis, and a truly deadly mutation doesn’t occur and spread, the general situation is too dire, and the clear intention of the Great Re-setters is to strip nearly everyone of their assets and illusory wealth anyway.

      • Minority Of One says:

        I warned our teenage daughter, who plans to go to university in two years time, a few months ago that the thousands of pounds we have put in savings account for her since she was born, could all vanish before she gets to uni. She was very calm and philosophical about it. We should probably divest that money.

        • Xabier says:

          Investing that cash in good quality socks and shoes (without the planned tracking chips), etc, might be a better return. …..

          We can’t know just what they plan, but we do know that they want penniless and compliant slaves, with no savings.

          How they hate savings! And any vestige of self-reliance and autonomy.

          • Dennis L. says:

            Respectfully disagree,

            There maybe only land and knowledge; knowledge has been collected by a certain tribe over the millenia and has a good track record. Study to become useful and read, learn to understand and perhaps anticipate, seems better to dodge the bullets than stop them

            Dennis L.

        • Bei Dawei says:

          Remember that the apocalypse may never come, or come many years later, in which case your daughter will likely need that university education.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          It’s amazing how people calmly accepted that death is imminent … so long as you can convince them that everyone dies.

          As long as there is not much suffering involved (no rape.. torture… lingering disease… starvation…)… it’s actually not that big of a deal.

          This is what a doomie prepper would look like within a month of the end of BAU if there was no CEP:

          https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dc/bc/7a/dcbc7af97d62cade67a0b7b03408c422.jpg

  27. Fast Eddy says:

    Indeed, just as we should be unlocking and returning to some form of normality, the Government is instead talking about introducing more restrictions for a greater amount of time.

    Just in the last week, Westminster City Council has advertised a contract for the building of ‘temporary body storage’ facilities in case of an ‘excess deaths situation’; schools have been told by the Department for Education to prepare for the reintroduction of face masks in classrooms and of remote learning to manage ‘local outbreaks of Covid’, and; Justice Secretary Robert Buckland has refused to rule out winter lockdowns, saying ‘you can’t ever say mission accomplished’ with Covid.

    https://www.bournbrookmag.com/home/we-should-be-unlocking-so-why-is-the-government-gearing-up-for-more-restrictions

    Reading Bossche as well?

  28. Tim Groves says:

    Yet another reason why I shall continue to rely on the immune system god gave me, complemented by a few regular essential vitamins and minerals.

    Fun with statistics. Must read:

    “Delta is less deadly than flu (0.1% CFR .vs. 0.15% CFR) in unvaccinated people but is more than six times as deadly among vaccinated individuals. If you took the shot you ****ed yourself; congratulations.”

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242736

    • Fast Eddy says:

      BVD suggests similar in his latest … however he also suggests whatever is coming is also likely to kill the refusers.

      The thing is.. it doesn’t matter… we’re over 2B Injected now…. so assume they are all going to die… that = total collapse of BAU… so we call get to die!!!!

      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-vaccinations

      The question is – better to die of pneumonia… or at the hands of a slasher?

      This is however fabulous! IDC (I don’t care if the slasher gets me …. I will enjoy a short period without any CovIDIOTS on OFW before I go down)

      “Delta is less deadly than flu (0.1% CFR .vs. 0.15% CFR) in unvaccinated people but is more than six times as deadly among vaccinated individuals. If you took the shot you ****ed yourself; congratulations.”

      • Who said this, where? I may have missed it.

        “Delta is less deadly than flu (0.1% CFR .vs. 0.15% CFR) in unvaccinated people but is more than six times as deadly among vaccinated individuals.”

        • Thierry says:

          This comes from the second table in the link from Tim:

          34 deaths out of 35 521 cases in unvaccinated people (0.1%)
          20 deaths out of 4 087 cases in people who had 2 doses of vaccine (0,64%)
          the period is from February, 1st to June, 14th in England.

          • Thierry says:

            However, we don’t know the age of the patients. I guess the vaccinated ones are older in average.

            • Xabier says:

              The elderly were done first, certainly, but quite a lot of younger people in the NHS, etc, too.

              For instance the beautiful 18 yr old daughter of a friend, which shocked me: and all she does is work in the hospital swimming pool as a life guard.

              We might also ask if they truly caught the ‘Delta variant’, if it exists, or in fact died of the injections?

              Once institutions are corrupted, and data is manipulated, we are at a loss to know much at all.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          He says that so far the variants are not deadly … but that this is an inevitable development (difficult to put a specific time frame on it…)…..

          Why are mass vaccination campaigns likely to increase Covid-19 morbidity and mortality rates?

          From a purely scientific perspective and even regardless of all (important!) ethical issues they raise, mass vaccination campaigns conducted in the midst of a pandemic are doomed to fail and have unforeseeable health consequences, not only for individual vaccinees but also for the global human population.

          As already mentioned, changes in the ‘traditional’ host environment (e.g., implementation of stringent public health measures and social distancing; overcrowding) may alter the evolutionary dynamics of the pandemic and drive natural selection and dominant propagation of more infectious variants (or, alternatively, promote their rapid expansion once they become de novo introduced into a population). Likewise, it is reasonable to assume that large-scale vaccination campaigns conducted during a pandemic will drive natural selection and dominant propagation of nAb-evasive variants.

          However, as viral adaptation evolves, replication and transmission of such naturally selected immune escape variants by asymptomatically infected or mildly ill vaccinees will become more and more frequent and eventually increase the risk of rapid re-exposure for non-vaccinated, previously asymptomatically infected individuals. This is now likely to prompt a new wave of morbidity and mortality in the non-vaccinated part of the population. Iin countries where mass vaccination campaigns are rolled out on a background of low infectious pressure, it will take more time for rising vaccine coverage rates to drive convergent evolution of additional, naturally selected mutations such as to ensure viral persistence in the face of a stronger and more widespread vaccine-induced immune response.

          However, there shall be no doubt that the endgame of this convergent evolution of vaccine-mediated immune escape mutants is full resistance of Sars-CoV-2 to the Covid-19 vaccines. When this happens, vaccinees in particular will become extremely vulnerable to Covid-19 disease as they will no longer be able to rely on their innate Abs for those will be outcompeted by their vaccinal Abs for binding to S protein.

          Why are most countries not yet affected by enhanced circulation of increasingly immune resistant variants despite an advanced stage of their mass vaccination campaigns?

          Full-fledged vaccine resistance is not yet observed as it may take much longer for a combination of multiple synergizing immune escape mutations to occur in a sufficient number of individuals in the population. However, once these immune escape variants are present in sufficient frequency, they will establish rapidly in populations that are subject to mass vaccination (due to widespread S-directed immune selection pressure).

          It is, however, important to note that during this period of pandemic quiescence, vaccination may lead to an increased risk of ADE as S protein from intermediate variants, which possess only a subset of the S-associated mutations required for full resistance to the vaccine, may still be recognized (but not neutralized) by vaccinal Abs (see above).

          Could an immediate and global halt of mass vaccination campaigns still prevent the emergence of more harmful viral recombinations or resistance of Sars-CoV-2 to Covid-19 vaccines?

          A global and immediate halt of mass vaccination campaigns would allow to diminish immune selective pressure exerted on sites within the S protein that mediate nAb evasion. However, at this fairly advanced stage of the global mass vaccination program, it is probably already too late to prevent viral resistance to S-Abs, even if mass vaccination campaigns would immediately and globally be halted, and even though vaccine coverage rates are still fairly low in a number of low-income countries. This is because

          nAb-resistant virus selected in a particular population will easily adapt and expand upon their introduction into other populations that are undergoing a similar shift in the Sars-CoV-2 fitness landscape, even though the local variants they are harboring are less advanced in their adaptive process of evolutionary convergence of immune escape mutations

          the current spectrum of escape mutations already lays the groundwork for multiple recombinations to occur as viral spread continues. Combinations of immune escape mutations more readily enable variants to circumvent vaccine-induced immunity or acquire other phenotypic characteristics that could potentially be more harmful (1, 2, 3, 9). Some of these combinatorial variants could, therefore, be more problematic than those which circulated before.

          Consequently, it is reasonable to assume that an immediate halt of all Covid-19 vaccination campaigns could at most delay full resistance of Sars-CoV-2 to the vaccines by a few months. However, recombinations are likely to lead to super variants with unpredictable phenotypic characteristics, some of which may be responsible for a further increase in viral infectiousness and/ or virulence or could even enable adaptation to another mammalian species (7). As already mentioned, recombinations are promoted by co-infection with different variants. At this stage of the pandemic, co-infection with different variants becomes increasingly likely as infection prevention measures are now being relaxed in many countries (9). Adaptation to other mammalian species may result from enhanced binding affinity of mutated spike protein for their Ace-2 receptor (e.g., in case of the Sars-CoV-2 Y453F mink variant) and generate an additional asymptomatic reservoir for recurrent transmission to humans (4).

          Unless aggressive multidrug treatment is implemented at an early stage of disease and large-scale chemoprophylaxis campaigns are conducted, resistance of Sars-CoV-2 to Covid-19 vaccines is, most certainly, going to provoke a steep incline of morbidity and mortality rates in vaccinees, especially in those who did not contract Covid-19 disease prior to vaccination.

          Are scientists suspicious of mass vaccination enhancing expansion of vaccine-resistant Sars-CoV-2?

          In this regard, it suffices to cite D. Van Egeren et al. (2):

          “Evidence from multiple experimental studies showing that single RBD point mutations can lead to resistance to neutralizing convalescent plasma from multiple donors suggests that specific single mutants may be able to evade spike-targeting vaccinal immunity in many individuals and rapidly lead to spread of vaccine-resistant SARS-CoV-2.

          One variant that can escape convalescent plasma neutralization is already circulating in South Africa and could experience greater positive selection pressure once vaccines are deployed widely”. These authors further suggest that natural selection of multiple mutations in individuals possessing nAbs against Sars-CoV-2 spike protein “could accelerate the emergence of vaccine-resistant strains in the months following vaccine deployment” and state that “Further studies are required to understand the risk immune evasion poses to a strategy of annually updated vaccines”. Additional citations from scientists studying the evolutionary biology of Sars-CoV-2 go as follows:

          “… vaccines themselves represent a selection pressure for evolution of vaccine-resistant variants…” (9).

    • Rodster says:

      “Yet another reason why I shall continue to rely on the immune system god gave me”

      That’s a smart move because as I mentioned in a previous comment that everyone eventually dies and there’s a much greater likelihood, it won’t be from Covid.

    • Christopher says:

      The table suggests very few fully vaccinated people in England, which seems odd. 4087 cases of delta among fully vaccinated >= 14 days. Whereas we have 35 521 cases of delta among unvaccinated people. I also suspect that the vaccinated are heavily biased to frail and elderly. Number of deaths may be an unfair comparison.

      Still, no vaccine for me.

    • This is a link to an article by Karl Denninger. According to Wikipedia, he is an American technology businessman, finance blotter, and political activist. He is sometimes referred to as a founding member of the Tea Party.

      This seems to be a link to the paper on which he bases his assertions:
      https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?get_gallerynr=10859

      This is what the paper is called:

      SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England
      Technical briefing 16
      18 June 2021
      This briefing provides an update on previous briefings up to 11 June 2021

      The paper does not come to the conclusions that Denniger does. Part of the problem is very low numbers of deaths, upon which to base the conclusions.

      It might be a worthwhile paper to read through and figure out what it really says. I think that Denninger may be “reaching” on this one.

  29. Fast Eddy says:

    EudraVigilance – the equivalent of the Yellow Card reporting system in the EU – has logged reports claiming 15,472 people have died and 1,654,407 have suffered injuries following receipt of the Covid vaccines in the EU.

    https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/research-development/pharmacovigilance/eudravigilance

    I await NormDuncMike’s comment on this

    • Xabier says:

      Fake news!

      It’s obviously just malicious anti-vaxxers filing false reports in their hundreds of thousands.

      Maybe even Putin, just to undermine faith in EU institutions and freedoms……

    • Mike Roberts says:

      No comment from me as I can’t verify these numbers or the numbers receiving the vaccines.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Hahahah… ya mike… its all fake…

        That’s why the MSM is not reporting any of these numbers hahahahahahaha…

        Make sure to Stay Safe! Do what Fauci (and the Donkey Face) tells you 🙂

      • Xabier says:

        Well, the deaths come from the reporting systems in the US, UK and EU, and we know that such systems capture less than 10% of cases.

        The number of the vaccinated is certainly unverifiable, as it is clearly in the interest of governments to boost the numbers, and we have no reason to trust them.

        They have lied about so much, why not that, too?

        They are pushing so hard now, that I suspect vaccinations have stalled.

        • Mike Roberts says:

          Well, we don’t actually know what proportion of cases of post COVID-19 vaccinations it captures. You are probably thinking of the ESP-VAERS study, from a decade ago, which was a limited study looking at how an electronic capturing system might work. There were several criticisms of that study but it claimed a low rate of reporting in VAERS. However, we don’t know how a vaccination campaign like that of COVID-19 vaccines might affect the reporting rate (both ways, given the extensive protests against the vaccines), or how effective VAERS now is.

          Of course, we also don’t know the relationship between the vaccines and the events, since not much investigation has been done, that I’m aware of.

          If we have no reason to trust official numbers then we really can’t say anything about such reporting systems.

          • Xabier says:

            You are quite right that no investigations are being done, certainly in the UK. No autopsies, and the same in Germany I believe.

            The less than 10% figure comes from the MHRA themselves.

            Rather a telling clue comes, perhaps, from the official response to these embarrassing figures: there have been, in most countries, 3 stages of response by the regulators :

            1/ Deaths and injuries are just coincidental, ‘Young people die of clots all the time’. So, get jabbed!

            2/ Deaths are higher than normal, but ‘very, very rare’. So, get jabbed!

            3/ ‘They are mostly safe, for most people, the benefits still outweigh the risks’ So, get jabbed!

            Smoke, fire, etc.

            Ouspensky noted, in bewilderment, that during the Bolshevik coup, when he was actually witnessing daily murders in the street, and walking past corpses on his way to work, people would talk about ‘How wonderful that our Revolution is so peaceful!’

            I believe the brain often cuts out when the situation is potentially too upsetting.

            That we are being betrayed by the very institutions we would like to repose our trust in is best coped with by denial.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          CovIDIOTS mostly won’t report their injuries… and they’ll risk the lives of their children… because they are ‘saving the world’

          Meanwhile — hahaha this is FANtastic

          Covid outbreak at Kenwyn Care Home where every resident is fully vaccinated
          https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/covid-outbreak-kenwyn-care-home-5556416

          Even though Fawchee says the Injection doesn’t stop you from getting C-Vid… the CovIDIOTS insist it does…

          Even after reading that…

          Sign your kids up CovIDIOTs… sign em up fast… Stay Safe!

          http://ocfl.net/portals/0/library/emergency-safety/images/coronavirus/Face%20Mask%20Campaign%20-%20Protect.jpg

  30. Fast Eddy says:

    It’s almost as if Boris…

    “You Can Never Exclude the Possibility that There Will be Some New Disease,” Says Boris Johnson as he Warns of “Rough Winter” Ahead https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/06/21/you-can-never-exclude-the-possibility-that-there-will-be-some-new-disease-says-boris-johnson-as-he-warns-of-rough-winter-ahead/

    is a subscriber to Bossche’s blog… and is repeating GVB’s warnings…

    https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/why-the-ongoing-mass-vaccination-experiment-drives-a-rapid-evolutionary-response-of-sars-cov-2

    Alternatively — Bossche has uncovered the true purpose and mechanism of the Injection…. but he is unable to join Fast Eddy on the CEP stage… because only FE has the 1000 Horsepower IQ to connect all the dots….

    But then Fast Eddy is the only human out of 8B to have worked out the CEP…. think about that 8B people… and ONE… (other than the Elders) knows what’s coming.

    All Hail Fast Eddy. Worship (and grovel) at the alter.

    Did I mention I bought Fast Eddy a plunge pool yesterday? He says when he goes in the End of Days Hot Tub and relaxes and Thinks… his 1000 horse power gets overheated …. he’s been running a cold hose over his Machinery…. but I thought this would be a nice gesture for His Highness. Only $22!

    I will also bring him another bowl of red Smarties.

    https://www.thewarehouse.co.nz/p/bestway-rectanglar-family-pool-small/R2584853.html

  31. Sam says:

    There are some people on here who keep criticizing saying that others have been talking about crash for some time and last year they were really talking about crash but low and behold the stock market is way up! House price are way up! They won’t mention the massive, massive additions to the FED balance sheet and the massive, massive amounts of government debt added just this year! Is that a sign of a strong healthy system? So much manipulation in the States and we judge other countries as if they are inferior to us—they just don’t have the ability to cheat like the States do. I don’t think so this rotten bridge is coming down tomorrow but it is coming down and you can throw sheets of particle board on it to keep it from collapsing but it will. Sooner than later!

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      hey, I appreciate that you focus a lot on economics, which is closer to being on-topic than other subjects. For me, I’m probably just a “natural” optimist, so I have found that in about 4 years of commenting here, I’ve just “naturally” (not boasting) been one of the more rare voices that happens to think that this bAU stuff in IC will hold up for another decade or so. I was right for 4 years, but I didn’t have to be right, it just turned out the way I guessed it would. Good guess, lucky guess, whatever.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      anyway, your comment is good. TPTB are using lots of duct tape to hold this thing together, and I’m guessing that they have a few more years worth of financial gimmick duct tape. There are about 200 countries/rotten bridges in the world, and some are falling now. The Core will fall too. It’s obvious. No one knows the timing. I keep guessing later rather than sooner.

    • Yorchichan says:

      When lockdowns began, many commenting on here believed that if the lockdowns lasted more than a few weeks the financial system would come crashing down, yet here we are after more than fifteen months of lockdowns and there has been no crash.

      Would anyone care to admit they were wrong?

      • The results don’t have to be immediate. The financial system needs more and more support.

      • Van Kent says:

        Well.. I was wrong. Back in 2012 – 2016 I couldn’t see a way out for the economy any farther than maybe 2019- early 2020. And when the pandemic started, I thought we would have a year, maybe 18months at the most, before serious supply chain breakdowns. Leading to economic collapse etc.

        Back then I thought a global community would protest if their democracy, freedoms and the free market economy was stripped away from them. Little did I know, that people really don’t care.

        When the global economy was in its exponential growth phase, we had these remarkable resource allocation mechanisms that worked extraordinarily well in that growth phase. These were
        A Democratic political system
        Personal freedom
        And a free market economy

        As we entered the collapse phase, these have now become obselete, and the global community has now been restructuring itself to a Controlled market economy with restrictions, and a political system that endorses and enforces controll and restrictions on its citizenry. I don’t know exactly how to name this system yet.. maybe somebody on this fine blog would lend a hand at naming this global system we now live in.

        When we hear terms as QE or Fed repo market operations or, reverse repo, or Fed OMO. These are terms of money printing operations which were strictly forbidden just a few years ago. Now these are commonplace, and are used to transform the global community in to a new form of political and economic system. One that can function within a shrinking global economy..

        Within the rules as they were written some fifteen years ago, the financial system would have already collapsed. It didn’t occur to me that there was another choice. It didn’t occur to me that we could continue BAU, but strip the world of its freedoms and transform our democracies and our free markets, in to what our global system is today.. Name? Anyone?

        As the months progress here in our contracting world economy, there are some troubles ahead.
        Privately owned businesses that are exchanged in the stockmarket will become a problem. Stocks are exchanged for future profit. And future profit depends on growth. It will we interesting to see how CBs will take controll of all stock markets globally.. the timescale for this isn’t all that pressing, because it will take the companies some years to understand that profits don’t exist anymore.
        A more pressing dilemma comes with exponential public debt. As we are now in the economic contraction phase of the global economy, our public debt and CB QE and OMO etc. must go exponential. Meaning, if the Fed was doing 1 trillion USD OMO one month, then it must be doing 2 trillion USD operations the next month etc. The time scales for these operations will be extraordinary. Because as the debt levels go exponential, new tricks must be pulled monthly.
        And as the months progress these figures will become so absurd, that there will probably be some economist that comes up with some new economic theory, that this is all somehow the new normal.. somehow.. And win the Nobel prize for that.

        Shortly. I was wrong. I couldn’t anticipate that the global community would stand silent as their freedoms were stripped away from them. It seems people prefer BAU instead of a collapse.. at any cost.. and I mean at any cost..

        • I agree, Van Kent. This has been a learning experience for all of us. Self-organizing systems behave very strangely.

          One positive thing is the fact the if there is energy to be dissipated, some self-organizing system will tend to dissipate it. We don’t know whether it will be our current economy, or an economy developed after our current economy collapses. I may be that the economy can be adapted in a way that at least parts of it can continue for a while.

          We learn things every day.

        • Xabier says:

          A name? Hell.

          • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

            ha! maybe Descent To Hell.

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              more seriously, Corporatocracy. Which would perhaps apply more to the recent past up until now. As it becomes less free market and moves to more total control of the economy, it might be called Late Corporatocracy.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I wouldn’t call it a system… it’s more a plan….

          The Plan…. or specifically … the Compassionate Extinction Plan.

          It involves reducing our oil burn – putting key parts of BAU on life support — using Covid to convince the Goy to be Injected — unleashing Devil Covid – and killing 8B people.

          You are correct – as is Herbert Stein – what cannot continue will stop.

          We are not quite at the stopping point yet…. but it looks to be fast approaching.

        • Dennis L. says:

          What freedoms have we lost? What can we not do today that we could do last year or the year before?

          I would cruise were it not for the thought of being stuck on a metal can with a group of older people exchanging the virus and not being allowed to dock. What city/state in their right mind wants that put at their doorstep?

          Personally, I have not a seen a change; the worst was the temporary closing of my local pub, it is back open.

          Dennis L.

    • Xabier says:

      It’s like the old rotten beams that builders sometimes find in ancient houses here, only held up by 200 years of ceiling paper……

  32. Fast Eddy says:

    In the meantime, the WHO and their advising ‘experts’ are still preaching the ludicrous mantra that the more we vaccinate, the less the virus can replicate and hence, the lower the risk that VoCs will arise and become dominant in the viral population. Is it this mantra of mass vaccination that leads PHAs to conclude that monitoring of viral shedding in vaccinees has become obsolete?

    However, their simplistic interpretation of viral transmission dynamics would only apply to conditions of neutral genetic drift as occurring during the early phase of a pandemic, i.e., in a population of immunologically unprimed susceptible subjects that does not exert significant positive selection pressure on the virus prior to its host-to-host transmission (2). However, at this stage of the pandemic where a multitude of variants, including several VoCs, are already circulating, the real global health concern is no longer about the likelihood for yet another problematic variant to emerge but rather about the ongoing population-level selection pressure that is now driving particular mutations of concern to expand in prevalence.

    Ignoring the positive selection signals that are now increasingly observed within nAb-binding S domains inevitably leads to an underestimation of the evolutionary potential of Sars-CoV-2 to escape from these nAbs (2). However, instead of investigating the conditions that underlie this strong positive selection pressure, PHAs are doing the utmost to make people believe that mass vaccination will stop the transmission of these variants, lead to herd immunity and, therefore, put a stop to the Covid-19 pandemic.

    There is currently no single scientific argument or rationale to back any of these statements. On the contrary, numerous reports on breakthrough infections in vaccinees clearly illustrate that those who have not been immunized against Sars-CoV-2 are all but provided indirect protection by vaccinees (5, 14).

    • Rodster says:

      The CDC, Who and other health organizations have to keep the fear level at Defcon 5 or the Plebs will begin to figure out they have been played for fools.

  33. Fast Eddy says:

    Excellent … encourage the CovIDIOTS to socialize… helps with Devil Covid!

    Although population cohorts exerting selective S-directed immune pressure, (i.e., now increasingly consisting of vaccinees!) provide a breeding ground for S-associated immune escape mutations, health authorities seem to no longer be monitoring viral shedding and genetic characterization of viral samples in healthy or only mildly ill vaccinees.

    This is, of course, highly problematic as even asymptomatically infected vaccinees are known to shed virus and are now granted more freedom of movement and adhering less to social distancing measures. In this way, we are currently largely incognizant of the true prevalence and distribution of new variants and the speed at which they spread in the population. However, epidemiologists are not raising their voice to put an end to this grave public health negligence, even though they clearly seem to disagree with this practice:

    “As antigenically different variants are continuing to emerge, it will become necessary to routinely collect serum samples from vaccinated individuals and from individuals who have been infected with circulating variants of known sequence” (3); and further: “Defining these dynamics, and their potential influence on vaccine effectiveness, will require large-scale monitoring of SARS-CoV-2 evolution and host immunity for a long time to come” (4).

  34. Fast Eddy says:

    The observation that the effectiveness of mass vaccination campaigns, as assessed during a pandemic of immune escape variants, oftentimes evolves very differently between countries or regions is, therefore, not surprising. It is only when the population-level selective immune pressure will culminate that variants and, therefore, the effects of these campaigns will start to globally converge to the same endpoint, which is ‘resistance’ to the vaccines.

    It is only at that very endpoint that all assessments of the alleged ‘effectiveness’ of this experiment will be unanimous and consistent. When exactly this will happen is still subject to speculation. However, as the immune selection pressure in the global population is now ‘massively’ rising and the set of naturally selected, S-directed mutations together with the plasticity thereof dramatically expanding, one can reasonably expect that the edition of a super variant capable of resisting S-specific Abs will be precipitated such as to emerge within the next few months.

    When second-generation vaccines will be introduced, the virus will only be building upon this versatile foundation of circulating mutations to rapidly circumvent the immune pressure the re-vaccinated population will continue to exert on the S protein.

    https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/why-the-ongoing-mass-vaccination-experiment-drives-a-rapid-evolutionary-response-of-sars-cov-2

  35. Lidia17 says:

    The human gene therapy roll-out is going so wonderfully well, now they are going to vax all the animals!
    (G7 announcement of new initiative featuring Melinda Gates)

    http://www.publicnow.com/view/8DF050BD4257D6A54B5F8F68928D31CCCC0E3128

    • A new profit center, I expect:

      “UK will establish a new centre to develop vaccines to prevent zoonotic diseases spreading from animals to humans.”

  36. Fast Eddy says:

    This is pretty funny… given Fauci said in the interview with the Mexican comedian that the Injection does not stop you from getting covid…

    Vaccines Exhibit “Reduced Efficacy” Against “Delta” Variant, WHO Doctor Warns

    MONDAY, JUN 21, 2021 – 08:00 PM

    As the mutant COVID-19 strain known as “Delta” picks up steam across Europe and the US, one of the WHO’s leading doctors has just expressed concern about recent research published in the Lancet showing that the first generation of COVID-19 vaccines aren’t as effective at protecting against “Delta”.

    Answering a question from a reporter during the organization’s regular Monday briefing in Geneva, Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove said that there is data “showing a reduction in neutralization” for the Delta variant, but not as much as the “Beta” variant – better known as the mutant strain that was first discovered in South Africa.

    • Ian says:

      What this is saying …

      [Fauci] the injections do not stop you getting infected with Covid

      [WHO] the existing vaccines do not offer full “protection” against *showing the symptoms* of the Beta and Delta variants. So now if infected with one of these two variants you can be obviously sick, just like someone who was not vaccinated.

      What’s needed, they will claim, is a new “booster” shot so that you do not show any symptoms if you get infected with these variants. But there are hundreds of variants – so that will imply endless booster shots and one wonders what cumulative injections will do to one’s immune system.

      The reality seems to be that :

      According to Fauci, once vaxxed you can get infected like anyone else.
      According to the WHO, depending on the actual variant, you now may show symptoms whereas before you would not (i.e. the effects of the variant would not be neutralized).

      The danger still remains of all vaxxed people, if infected with Covid, passing it on to others.

      Then comes the big (and unanswered) question of how these vaxxed people’s modified immune systems will react when faced with a future new variant and the fear seems to be that the body may attack itself leading to a lethal situation.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Then comes the big (and unanswered) question of how these vaxxed people’s modified immune systems will react when faced with a future new variant and the fear seems to be that the body may attack itself leading to a lethal situation.

        This is where Bossche comes into play….

        • fillmore74 says:

          Do pro mRNA mass vax scientists have any published science on these new vaxxes that refutes the delayed onset and overwhelming history of dangerous side effects from “leaky vaccines” in animal trials for example Sars-Cov1 ferrets or Marek’s disease in commercial chicken populations where all chickens must be vaccinated or the unvaxxed populations will die?

          In my mind, this whole deal will result in dependency on booster shots and emerging technology while marginalizing self-supplying communities and non-compliant citizens in line with the WEF’s Great Reset narrative. This reductionist plan will pave the way for invasive biosecurity tech and health surveillance networks including wearable and implantable devices for data mining, social credit systems, immunity/mobility passports, expanded track & trace and the internet of bodies they have been promising.

          There is no question in my mind that this is a weaponized virus and managed economic contraction snce they admit that is their plan (WHO DG Chan 2009-10 Swine Flu). EU pre-pandemic goal for Vax passports by 2022, The early 2019 World Bank funding timeline for C-19 from 2020-2025, Senior level Polygon, Event 201 & SPARS scripted exercises providing guidance and solutions to predicted cyberpandemics, lockdowns, immunity passports, social media narrative control and a decade of vaccines are conveniently aligned with the UN SDG timeline for 2021-2030. This either makes them clairvoyant, the luckiest group of people in the world or co-conspirators in a globalist putsch.

  37. ady says:

    The World Economic Forum members probably hoping the COVID Vaccines will either kill or cause infertility in enough people to drastically reduce the world’s population.

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    https://youtu.be/sSkFyNVtNh8

    And people think this is funny… they really do.

    Is it ok to say I’d like to inflict this on Colbert (and Jon Stewart)?

    https://youtu.be/-5xkMNIt-5k?t=10

    • Xabier says:

      Too tame, FE.

      I suggest there are no limits to (imaginary) retributional violence on the fascistic pro-vax Colbert and the Dancing Syringes.

      I’m rather stunned after watching that crap and realising that it wasn’t going to be anti-vax satire – not knowing who he is.

      There’s a new musical for schools here in the UK, happy songs about wearing masks and getting jabbed…..

  39. Duncan Idaho says:

    Well, we are number 1!

    “By population, by per capita incarceration rates, and by expenditures, the United States exceeds all other nations in how many of its citizens, asylum seekers, and undocumented immigrants are under some form of criminal justice supervision…. The number of African American and Latinx people in American jails and prisons today exceeds the entire populations of some African, Eastern European, and Caribbean countries.”

    • “Nearly 1.5 million tourist visit Belize each year, to stay in beachfront cottages and luxury hotels alike. But Leonardo DiCaprio’s eco-resort could mark a revolutionary change to tourism in the area, as visitors would come for a “restorative experience” on their sustainable stay.”

      Flying to Belize is hardly a CO2 saving thing to do, in the first place.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Some find it very restorative to sleep in an air conditioned concrete eco-bunker just a few cm above sea-level….

        It’s extra special because Leo owns it!

  40. James K. says:

    Thanks for the link, John R.  The universe isn’t manufacturing geniuses like Meadows and his now-deceased wife Donella anymore.  And you can tell this man takes it personally and doesn’t see the world through charts and graphs only.  He chose not to have kids since he knew intuitively and logically that humans were going to drive the earth into utter disaster.

    • Xabier says:

      By not having children, the course of history isn’t altered one bit.

      Those who are born work their way through the resources just the same; or rather their machines do.

      Noble aspiration, possibly, but quite pointless.

  41. Sam says:

    Well they are going to need something to blame on when the economy has no growth minus the FED input and the government input. I read somewhere that the growth in the States is supposed to be 10 percent…I don’t know where they get that figure…The FED is in a corner and every word they say moves markets. The game is a joke its just who runs for the exits first and I think the FED has warned about that but we will see if they can continue to control the big players

  42. Yoshua says:

    Solar California just asked people not to charge their electric cars, since they fear blackouts.

    • I haven’t seen any news articles about this yet. It this happens often, it sort of detracts from the idea of buying an electric vehicle.

      • Hubbs says:

        You mean you can’t put electricity in a gas can?

      • Dennis L. says:

        YouTube has a channel “The Limiting Factor” which focuses on EVs. It seems well researched, actually very impressive.

        I think EVs are going to work, there are more options with electricity than oil.

        The idea of an aluminum chassis in MN given the winter roads, along with what seems to be more than adequate range coupled with solar power in the summer, hard to beat.

        Elon is apparently moving upstream on metals to the point of mining. Nickel is an issue, plenty of nickel in asteroids, it is how the Ni arrived on earth.

        There seem to be many games afoot, most of them are way over my head, indeed even what is easily followed is complex. But, my bet is still on mankind, we will make it. No man is going to get a mate by suggesting going back to hunter gather, that alone is enough to cause progress.

        Dennis L.

        • don stump says:

          I appreciate your optimism with electric. The issues associated with electric are overwhelming. There is no additional hydro potential and the hydro we have is aging out. Nuclear is too costly and with associated problems most plants are also aging out. Coal fired is on its last legs and even the small gas plants are shutting down. We have been pushing hard on renewables for the last five years and they still only provide a small fraction of our overall needs. When you look at a chart that shows an increasing need I just can’t find that silver lining.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          This reminds me why I delete over half of the comments before reading on OFW. This is 30 seconds of my life lots that I can never recover 🙁

        • Electricity outages are a fairly common thing, while a supply of oil products is fairly stable.

          I expect the electricity outages will become more and more common in the future. If we lose oil products, we cannot fix the electricity outages. Electricity cannot save us from a shortage of oil.

          • Xabier says:

            Massive renewal of the gas and electricity infrastructure has been going on here for months.

            All one has to do is reflect on the vital oil input to the cables, pipes, tarmac, diggers and huge earth-moving machines.

            Not to mention the cars and vans that bring the workers to the site.

            It’s ALL oil.

        • Xabier says:

          Although hunter gathering may not appeal, Dennis, some young women, and very pretty ones, are quite keen on kitchen gardens these days.

          And not averse to rough hands from digging and cutting wood, either……

        • Lastcall says:

          DIESEL Generator Being Used To Charge ELECTRIC Bus In Pune
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjOM_P_y5Mc

          Too funny for words…

    • Xabier says:

      Oh dear, can’t they just charge at night, using all that ‘idle capacity’ as Wolf Richter claims?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I’d ask Wolf about that… but he’d as usual block the question.

        Because Wolf is an as.ss h.ole.

        I notice his articles are no longer on ZH… a couple of months ago I saw one and some guy was trolling him hard because Wolf was blocking him on Wolf Street… I took a few very hard swings as well…

        You can be sure Wolf reads those comments — and in keeping with his usual strategy… he took his ball home

        He is a vile Nazi… I am surprised he’s not been punched in the face with that attitude.

        His email is on his website 🙂 https://www.headsupster.com/

  43. Less is More. Less is Better. says:

    A lot of policy for the last fifteen months seems to have helped raise prices.

    There is an admission by the ruling class that high inflation is a goal.

    If inflation is desirable than reducing the output of all the economies of the world is the goal.

    Extended Lockdowns , climate change regulation , regular regulation and routine destruction of goods in good condition for no reason, all share one thing in common; they increase inflation.

    https://twitter.com/amazon/status/1404804841965338638

    https://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/14/06/2021/Philips-recalls-ventilators-due-to-health-risks

    Increasing economic activity is not necessary to get inflation anymore.
    Cutting back on production and creating demand for financial assets or something in low supply is more than enough to stimulate the economy.

    • All kinds of things contribute to inflation. Approving treatments like the expensive new Alzheimers’ treatment (that probably doesn’t work and has a host of bad side effects) adds to inflation. Requiring ships to use refined fuel, instead of the cheapest fuel possible, adds to inflation. Enforcing hours that limit the number of hours that truck drivers can work makes truck driving less efficient. More truck drivers are needed to carry the same quantity of goods. If the price charged for transit isn’t higher, the drivers don’t earn enough money to pay for their trucks and still have enough money for themselves.

  44. Sam says:

    Just turned on NPR and they were very calmly running a story of how we are now ready to switch over from fossil fuels. 🤣 as if someone is waiting with a knife switch and about to throw it! Well there you go we are all electric now don’t need gasoline anymore! A lot of people believe this stuff! The more educated the more they believe!

    • It is strange anyone can believe this. People don’t understand how closely tied GDP growth is tied to energy consumption growth.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        NormDunc believe the Injection is intended to defeat covid…..

        They also believe we’ve gone past the intense radiation of the Van Allen Belts to land on the moon in a contraption that is taped together with panels falling off (if you watch American Moon you can see close up shots of both)…

        They also believe Building 7 fell down for no reason … I’ve seen videos depicting explosions on the lower levels of the Twin Towers as they come down… similar to what you see during a controlled demolition of a building…. I’d like to present that to NormDunc for comment but I don’t have 3 hours to sift through the garbage heap of lies to find that….

        Funny how they make that nearly impossible to find…

        Goy do not deal in facts… they think they do … but they are as easily manipulated as https://www.simplypsychology.org/pavlov.html

        The Elders know this … and they’ve been using men like Bernays for the better part of a century now … to herd the Stoooopid Goy (or DuncNorms for those who prefer a contemporary label)…

      • Xabier says:

        In so far as GDP growth can be largely fictional, the result of monetary manipulation and dishonest calculation (hello China!) it can in a sense disconnect from energy flows. But not in reality.

        Just as the propaganda of a Totalitarian state can disconnect from reality, until the real gap grows too great to conceal and it collapse.

    • Sam says:

      They just ran another story titled green steel and how they are making the steel industry green. I guess they are just brain washing the masses. Just like the ones who say stay in the stock market or housing market because they never go down!
      I. Almost feel like these stories come straight from the white house

    • Artleads says:

      The manipulated belief in “renewables will fix everything” is very akin to the manipulated belief that “vaccines will fix everything.” These beliefs are the underpinning of denial. OFW has done a most creditable job on vaccines, and has tried (but perhaps not savagely enough) with renewables. The latter could almost be the exclusive project of OFW?

    • Less is More. Less is Better. says:

      ” A lot of people believe this stuff! ”

      That has to do a lot with the personality traits being selected for in human societies; al lot of those traits boil down to agreeableness. In social situations people are conditioned to believe what everyone else believes.

      “The more educated the more they believe!”

      Social progress and technological progress are the religion of most educated people. There is nothing that ties educated people together other than the promise of more and a kinder, gentler world.

      A lot of “Educated” , otherwise known as affluent people are not grounded .They are very vulnerable to manipulation as long as there are “studies” and credentialed “experts” backing them up.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        it starts in kindergarten… and it can lead to success in life.

      • Sam says:

        And that is a good observation you are right they are less grounded. I didn’t think of it that way. It is interesting how they perceive everything

      • Xabier says:

        The essence of tribal life is total conformity, and submission to custom and tradition: those who depart from it are regarded with suspicion or even killed/exiled.

        So we tend to feel safer in going along with the flow: in fact, we are safer.

        The peculiar aspect of modern life is a purely verbal conformity, while traditional ways are constantly attacked and abolished.

        Clinging to, and manipulated by, words alone.

    • Xabier says:

      In reality, the masses will be forced to rapidly go fully electric, while fossil fuels are directed to privileged core industries.

      And then……Collapse!

  45. Yoshua says:

    The S&P 500 has made a classic…break…retest…rejection and tomorrow comes the crash.

    But…maybe things are different this time? The Fed is doing QE and ZIRP after all.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4a7fCLWYAAy7gS?format=jpg&name=large

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      uh, it’s only 30 points below its record high. Life is good.

      • Sam says:

        I just made $1000 on a $3000 investment on oil stock! 🤣 what a joke!
        I guess might as well throw another $2000 on Red to win!

  46. StarvingLion says:

    Last nights miraculous turnaround in the stock “markets” proved conclusively that…

    1. The economy is self-organizing based on the laws of physics
    2. The tech geniuses behind blockchain/crypto/De-Fi are indeed serious people.

    Ma and Pa said it all looks like Pump-n-Dump by low-life degenerate criminals…what couple of country hicks!

    • It probably means that the plunge protection team is hard at work.

        • I wonder how long the PPT can maintain the illusion that everything is OK.

          • Dennis L. says:

            Maybe look forward using latest technology, not technology over one hundred years old, oil, coal, etc.

            This video recognizes nickel, lithium as serious issues. This whole process is a sum of various parts which have more than one use, economies of scale.

            Again a link, what is being done is organized, it is a long game.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v-DTS-ibow

            Dennis L.

            • there is no latest technology

              all the technology we have rides on the back of the old technology of fossil fuels

              we keep coming up with variants, and dancing in the streets to show how they are going to deliver BAU

              select any ‘latest technology’ you like

              then dissect it with honest realism

              there’ll be fossil fuels in there somewhere

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Which is self-organizing in that BAU wants to live (as does Mr DNA)…. so it does whatever it takes to stay alive …. including bidding up the stock market because a crash in the markets now would be a terminal moment.

        Of course at some point it fails… and the Elders are violating the self-organizing system by attempting to Kill The Borg with the CEP….

        It is possible to disrupt the self-organizing system — I’ve done it be refusing the breed and produce vile little bas tards.

        But to disrupt it on this scale takes serious commitment, intelligence and the ability to act in a cold calculating manner…. let’s be frank —- the authors of the CEP are aware of the fact that they are murdering 8B people… they understand that this is the best option … but still… imagine how difficult this must be… they are murdering their own families….

        Let’s take a peak behind the curtain at how the Elders think….

        https://youtu.be/UAW-RZWJqdI

        Spock would have been an excellent Elder…

        https://youtu.be/mzUiRLROQjc

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