Why financial approaches won’t fix the world’s economic problems this time

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Time and time again, financial approaches have worked to fix economic problems. Raising interest rates has acted to slow the economy and lowering them has acted to speed up the economy. Governments overspending their incomes also acts to push the economy ahead; doing the reverse seems to slow economies down.

What could possibly go wrong? The issue is a physics problem. The economy doesn’t run simply on money and debt. It operates on resources of many kinds, including energy-related resources. As the population grows, the need for energy-related resources grows. The bottleneck that occurs is something that is hard to see in advance; it is an affordability bottleneck.

For a very long time, financial manipulations have been able to adjust affordability in a way that is optimal for most players. At some point, resources, especially energy resources, get stretched too thin, relative to the rising population and all the commitments that have been made, such as pension commitments. As a result, there is no way for the quantity of goods and services produced to grow sufficiently to match the promises that the financial system has made. This is the real bottleneck that the world economy reaches.

I believe that we are closely approaching this bottleneck today. I recently gave a talk to a group of European officials at the 2nd Luxembourg Strategy Conference, discussing the issue from the European point of view. Europeans seem to be especially vulnerable because Europe, with its early entry into the Industrial Revolution, substantially depleted its fossil fuel resources many years ago. The topic I was asked to discuss was, “Energy: The interconnection of energy limits and the economy and what this means for the future.”

In this post, I write about this presentation.

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The major issue is that money, by itself, cannot operate the economy, because we cannot eat money. Any model of the economy must include energy and other resources. In a finite world, these resources tend to deplete. Also, human population tends to grow. At some point, not enough goods and services are produced for the growing population.

I believe that the major reason we have not been told about how the economy really works is because it would simply be too disturbing to understand the real situation. If today’s economy is dependent on finite fossil fuel supplies, it becomes clear that, at some point, these will run short. Then the world economy is likely to face a very difficult time.

A secondary reason for the confusion about how the economy operates is too much specialization by researchers studying the issue. Physicists (who are concerned about energy) don’t study economics; politicians and economists don’t study physics. As a result, neither group has a very broad understanding of the situation.

I am an actuary. I come from a different perspective: Will physical resources be adequate to meet financial promises being made? I have had the privilege of learning a little from both economic and physics sides of the discussion. I have also learned about the issue from a historical perspective.

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World energy consumption has been growing very rapidly at the same time that the world economy has been growing. This makes it hard to tell whether the growing energy supply enabled the economic growth, or whether the higher demand created by the growing economy encouraged the world economy to use more resources, including energy resources.

Physics says that it is energy resources that enable economic growth.

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The R-squared of GDP as a function of energy is .98, relative to the equation shown.

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Physicists talk about the “dissipation” of energy. In this process, the ability of an energy product to do “useful work” is depleted. For example, food is an energy product. When food is digested, its ability to do useful work (provide energy for our body) is used up. Cooking food, whether using a campfire or electricity or by burning natural gas, is another way of dissipating energy.

Humans are clearly part of the economy. Every type of work that is done depends upon energy dissipation. If energy supplies deplete, the form of the economy must change to match.

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There are a huge number of systems that seem to grow by themselves using a process called self-organization. I have listed a few of these on Slide 8. Some of these things are alive; most are not. They are all called “dissipative structures.”

The key input that allows these systems to stay in a “non-dead” state is dissipation of energy of the appropriate type. For example, we know that humans need about 2,000 calories a day to continue to function properly. The mix of food must be approximately correct, too. Humans probably could not live on a diet of lettuce alone, for example.

Economies have their own need for energy supplies of the proper kind, or they don’t function properly. For example, today’s agricultural equipment, as well as today’s long-distance trucks, operate on diesel fuel. Without enough diesel fuel, it becomes impossible to plant and harvest crops and bring them to market. A transition to an all-electric system would take many, many years, if it could be done at all.

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I think of an economy as being like a child’s building toy. Gradually, new participants are added, both in the form of new citizens and new businesses. Businesses are formed in response to expected changes in the markets. Governments gradually add new laws and new taxes. Supply and demand seem to set market prices. When the system seems to be operating poorly, regulators step in, typically adjusting interest rates and the availability of debt.

One key to keeping the economy working well is the fact that those who are “consumers” closely overlap those who are “employees.” The consumers (= employees) need to be paid well enough, or they cannot purchase the goods and services made by the economy.

A less obvious key to keeping the economy working well is that the whole system needs to be growing. This is necessary so that there are enough goods and services available for the growing population. A growing economy is also needed so that debt can be repaid with interest, and so that pension obligations can be paid as promised.

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World population has been growing year after year, but arable land stays close to constant. To provide enough food for this rising population, more intensive agriculture is required, often including irrigation, fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides.

Furthermore, an increasing amount of fresh water is needed, leading to a need for deeper wells and, in some places, desalination to supplement other water sources. All these additional efforts add energy usage, as well as costs.

In addition, mineral ores and energy supplies of all kinds tend to become depleted because the best resources are accessed first. This leaves the more expensive-to-extract resources for later.

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The issues in Slide 11 are a continuation of the issues described on Slide 10. The result is that the cost of energy production eventually rises so much that its higher costs spill over into the cost of all other goods and services. Workers find that their paychecks are not high enough to cover the items they usually purchased in the past. Some poor people cannot even afford food and fresh water.

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Increasing debt is helpful as an economy grows. A farmer can borrow money for seed to grow a crop, and he can repay the debt, once the crop has grown. Or an entrepreneur can finance a factory using debt.

On the consumer side, debt at a sufficiently low interest rate can be used to make the purchase of a home or vehicle affordable.

Central banks and others involved in the financial world figured out many years ago that if they manipulate interest rates and the availability of credit, they are generally able to get the economy to grow as fast as they would like.

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It is hard for most people to imagine how much interest rates have varied over the last century. Back during the Great Depression of the 1930s and the early 1940s, interest rates were very close to zero. As large amounts of inexpensive energy were added to the economy in the post-World War II period, the world economy raced ahead. It was possible to hold back growth by raising interest rates.

Oil supply was constrained in the 1970s, but demand and prices kept rising. US Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volker is known for raising interest rates to unheard of heights (over 15%) with a peak in 1981 to end inflation brought on by high oil prices. This high inflation rate brought on a huge recession from which the economy eventually recovered, as the higher prices brought more oil supply online (Alaska, North Sea, and Mexico), and as substitution was made for some oil use. For example, home heating was moved away from burning oil; electricity-production was mostly moved from oil to nuclear, coal and natural gas.

Another thing that has helped the economy since 1981 has been the ability to stimulate demand by lowering interest rates, making monthly payments more affordable. In 2008, the US added Quantitative Easing as a way of further holding interest rates down. A huge debt bubble has thus been built up since 1981, as the world economy has increasingly been operated with an increasing amount of debt at ever-lower interest rates. (See 3-month and 10 year interest rates shown on Slide 14.) This cheap debt has allowed rapidly rising asset prices.

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The world economy starts hitting major obstacles when energy supply stops growing faster than population because the supply of finished goods and services (such as new automobile, new homes, paved roads, and airplane trips for passengers) produced stops growing as rapidly as population. These obstacles take the form of affordability obstacles. The physics of the situation somehow causes the wages and wealth to be increasingly concentrated among the top 10% or 1%. Lower-paid individuals are increasingly left out. While goods are still produced, ever-fewer workers can afford more than basic necessities. Such a situation makes for unhappy workers.

World energy consumption per capita hit a peak in 2018 and began to slide in 2019, with an even bigger drop in 2020. With less energy consumption, world automobile sales began to slide in 2019 and fell even lower in 2020. Protests, often indirectly related to inadequate wages or benefits, became an increasing problem in 2019. The year 2020 is known for Covid-19 related shutdowns and flight cancellations, but the indirect effect was to reduce energy consumption by less travel and by broken supply lines leading to unavailable goods. Prices of fossil fuels dropped far too low for producers.

Governments tried to get their own economies growing by various techniques, including spending more than the tax revenue they took in, leading to a need for more government debt, and by Quantitative Easing, acting to hold down interest rates. The result was a big increase in the money supply in many countries. This increased money supply was often distributed to individual citizens as subsidies of various kinds.

The higher demand caused by this additional money tended to cause inflation. It tended to raise fossil fuel prices because the inexpensive-to-extract fuels have mostly been extracted. In the days of Paul Volker, more energy supply at a little higher price was available within a few years. This seems extremely unlikely today because of diminishing returns. The problem is that there is little new oil supply available unless prices can stay above at least $120 per barrel on a consistent basis, and prices this high, or higher, do not seem to be available.

Oil prices are not rising this high, even with all of the stimulus funds because of the physics-based wage disparity problem mentioned previously. Also, those with political power try to keep fuel prices down so that the standards of living of citizens will not fall. Because of these low oil prices, OPEC+ continues to make cuts in production. The existence of chronically low prices for fossil fuels is likely the reason why Russia behaves in as belligerent a manner as it does today.

Today, with rising interest rates and Quantitative Tightening instead of Quantitative Easing, a major concern is that the debt bubble that has grown since in 1981 will start to collapse. With falling debt levels, prices of assets, such as homes, farms, and shares of stock, can be expected to fall. Many borrowers will be unable to repay their loans.

If this combination of events occurs, deflation is a likely outcome because banks and pension funds are likely to fail. If, somehow, local governments are able to bail out banks and pension funds, then there is a substantial likelihood of local hyperinflation. In such a case, people will have huge quantities of money, but practically nothing available to buy. In either case, the world economy will shrink because of inadequate energy supply.

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Most people have a “normalcy bias.” They assume that if economic growth has continued for a long time in the past, it necessarily will occur in the future. Yet, we all know that all dissipative structures somehow come to an end. Humans can come to an end in many ways: They can get hit by a car; they can catch an illness and succumb to it; they can die of old age; they can starve to death.

History tells us that economies nearly always collapse, usually over a period of years. Sometimes, population rises so high that the food production margin becomes tight; it becomes difficult to set aside enough food if the cycle of weather should turn for the worse. Thus, population drops when crops fail.

In the years leading up to collapse, it is common that the wages of ordinary citizens fall too low for them to be able to afford an adequate diet. In such a situation, epidemics can spread easily and kill many citizens. With so much poverty, it becomes impossible for governments to collect enough taxes to maintain services they have promised. Sometimes, nations lose at war because they cannot afford a suitable army. Very often, governmental debt becomes non-repayable.

The world economy today seems to be approaching some of the same bottlenecks that more local economies hit in the past.

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The basic problem is that with inadequate energy supplies, the total quantity of goods and services provided by the economy must shrink. Thus, on average, people must become poorer. Most individual citizens, as well as most governments, will not be happy about this situation.

The situation becomes very much like the game of musical chairs. In this game, one chair at a time is removed. The players walk around the chairs while music plays. When the music stops, all participants grab for a chair. Someone gets left out. In the case of energy supplies, the stronger countries will try to push aside the weaker competitors.

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Countries that understand the importance of adequate energy supplies recognize that Europe is relatively weak because of its dependence on imported fuel. However, Europe seems to be oblivious to its poor position, attempting to dictate to others how important it is to prevent climate change by eliminating fossil fuels. With this view, it can easily keep its high opinion of itself.

If we think about the musical chairs’ situation and not enough energy supplies to go around, everyone in the world (except Europe) would be better off if Europe were to be forced out of its high imports of fossil fuels. Russia could perhaps obtain higher energy export prices in Asia and the Far East. The whole situation becomes very strange. Europe tells itself it is cutting off imports to punish Russia. But, if Europe’s imports can remain very low, everyone else, from the US, to Russia, to China, to Japan would benefit.

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The benefits of wind and solar energy are glorified in Europe, with people being led to believe that it would be easy to transition from fossil fuels, and perhaps leave nuclear, as well. The problem is that wind, solar, and even hydroelectric energy supply are very undependable. They cannot ever be ramped up to provide year-round heat. They are poorly adapted for agricultural use (except for sunshine helping crops grow).

Few people realize that the benefits that wind and solar provide are tiny. They cannot be depended on, so companies providing electricity need to maintain duplicate generating capacity. Wind and solar require far more transmission than fossil-fuel-generated electricity because the best sources are often far from population centers. When all costs are included (without subsidy), wind and solar electricity tend to be more expensive than fossil-fuel generated electricity. They are especially difficult to rely on in winter. Therefore, many people in Europe are concerned about possibly “freezing in the dark,” as soon as this winter.

There is no possibility of ever transitioning to a system that operates only on intermittent electricity with the population that Europe has today, or that the world has today. Wind turbines and solar panels are built and maintained using fossil fuel energy. Transmission lines cannot be maintained using intermittent electricity alone.

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Basically, Europe must use very much less fossil fuel energy, for the long term. Citizens cannot assume that the war with Ukraine will soon be over, and everything will be back to the way it was several years ago. It is much more likely that the freeze-in-the-dark problem will be present every winter, from now on. In fact, European citizens might actually be happier if the climate would warm up a bit.

With this as background, there is a need to figure out how to use less energy without hurting lifestyles too badly. To some extent, changes from the Covid-19 shutdowns can be used, since these indirectly were ways of saving energy. Furthermore, if families can move in together, fewer buildings in total will need to be heated. Cooking can perhaps be done for larger groups at a time, saving on fuel.

If families can home-school their children, this saves both the energy for transportation to school and the energy for heating the school. If families can keep younger children at home, instead of sending them to daycare, this saves energy, as well.

A major issue that I do not point out directly in this presentation is the high energy cost of supporting the elderly in the lifestyles to which they have become accustomed. One issue is the huge amount and cost of healthcare. Another is the cost of separate residences. These costs can be reduced if the elderly can be persuaded to move in with family members, as was done in the past. Pension programs worldwide are running into financial difficulty now, with interest rates rising. Countries with large elderly populations are likely to be especially affected.

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Besides conserving energy, the other thing people in Europe can do is attempt to understand the dynamics of our current situation. We are in a different world now, with not enough energy of the right kinds to go around.

The dynamics in a world of energy shortages are like those of the musical chairs’ game. We can expect more fighting. We cannot expect that countries that have been on our side in the past will necessarily be on our side in the future. It is more like being in an undeclared war with many participants.

Under ideal circumstances, Europe would be on good terms with energy exporters, even Russia. I suppose at this late date, nothing can be done.

A major issue is that if Europe attempts to hold down fossil fuel prices, the indirect result will be to reduce supply. Oil, natural gas and coal producers will all reduce supply before they will accept a price that they consider too low. Given the dependence of the world economy on energy supplies, especially fossil fuel energy supplies, this will make the situation worse, rather than better.

Wind and solar are not replacements for fossil fuels. They are made with fossil fuels. We don’t have the ability to store up solar energy from summer to winter. Wind is also too undependable, and battery capacity too low, to compensate for need for storage from season to season. Thus, without a growing supply of fossil fuels, it is impossible for today’s economy to continue in its current form.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,503 Responses to Why financial approaches won’t fix the world’s economic problems this time

  1. Fast Eddy says:

    Get ready for the TRIPLEDEMIC this winter: Children’s hospitals are overwhelmed by RSV, flu cases triple in a month and there are early signs of a Covid comeback

    Data shows that cases of RSV, flu and Covid are now all starting to rise in the US

    This is prompting fears of a ‘tripledemic’ hitting the health system this winter

    Doctors warn that other viruses are returning ‘with a vengeance’ in the US

    Immunity against them in the population has dropped raising infection risk

    https://palexander.substack.com/p/iwe-warned-them-geert-told-them-get

    VAIDS (same effect as demon covid)

    And it’s just starting … hahaha

  2. Fast Eddy says:

    In this case, as some commentators pointed out, the mouths are missing. Was this intentional, if so why? Some suggested it is saying, don’t ask questions, just do as you’re told, which fits in with the whole Alegria style.

    https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/globohomo-sinister-or-lazy

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    • Rodster says:

      This is for you Fast, enjoy!

      https://www.bitchute.com/video/NwPEDSU06tGi/

      • Fast Eddy says:

        How about the person who injected you telling you the only side effects are a sore shoulder – possibly some nausea… and you end up needing a heart transplant…

        Given the number of people who’ve been whacked by the injections – I am surprised that nobody has … taken any action … to right the wrong…

        When you’ve been handed a death sentence… two wrongs … most definitely make a right.

    • ” Companies like Facebook, Airbnb, and Uber think they can clean up their image and paper over scandals by using iconography adorned with cartoons that look like they belong in children’s coloring books. It’s patronizing and insulting. While they make off with our private data and spy on our lives, and while they normalize the gig economy and do away with our pensions and benefits, they adopt bright and cheery colors that seem to say we’re your friends and custodians. Your children are safe with us.”

      But of course they are not. This art is to make you think these organizations have your best interests at heart.

      • Student says:

        I think that we can only be saved with energy shortage and microchips shortage, because I’m afraid humans are not understanding the manipulation they are experiencing.
        Children are completely dipped in that.
        It is a terrible situation, it is even worse than being a slave without manipulation.
        At least, in that case, your owner doesn’t lie to you about your condition: ‘you are a slave, just obey’.
        It is a little bit kinder way to put it.

        • Xabier says:

          Collapsing complexity is our only hope against these people and their planed system of murder and enslavement

          But collapsing complexity will also seal our fate in another way.

          As the hero Beowulf says in the great Dark Age epic:

          ‘Fate will ever go as Fate must’.

        • Artleads says:

          Dreadful! I try to capitalize on my laziness, reluctance to read and habit toward synthesising and reductionism. I refuse to learn or purchase new technology. Being very impecunious helps in this endeavor.

  3. Student says:

    (Ria Novosti)

    “Kiev makes fake missile for “dirty bomb” provocation over Chernobyl area.
    Kiev makes fake Iskander missile for “dirty bomb” provocation over Chernobyl area”

    https://ria.ru/20221026/bomba-1827022211.html

    Of course we are in the territory of propaganda and counter propaganda, but this is what is the counter part is saying and it is worrying.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      thesaker says that Russia stinks at propaganda, while we know that the West is full of it.

      the Russians are more clever and wise than the woketards in the West.

      by calling out the evil Kiev plans, the Russians may have forced the cancellation of that false flag.

      • Student says:

        I agree about your point for false flag.
        In this phase the dangerous ones are surely the Ukranians and the ones in Washington willing to support those plans.

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    “Not enough” v. “Too much.”

    “If we don’t do enough, Canadians will continue to endure the hardship of high inflation. And they will come to expect persistently high inflation, which will require much higher interest rates and potentially a severe recession to control inflation. Nobody wants that,” Macklem said.

    “If we do too much, we could slow the economy more than needed. And we know that has harmful consequences for people’s ability to service their debts, for their jobs and for their businesses,” he said.

    “This tightening phase will draw to a close. We are getting closer, but we are not there yet,” he said.

    https://wolfstreet.com/2022/10/26/no-easy-outs-to-restoring-price-stability-bank-of-canada-hikes-by-50-bpts-to-3-75-more-hikes-to-come-qt-to-continue-as-unsustainable-home-prices-plunge-fastest/

    Oh so they just need to tighten for awhile — reduce demand … then loosen and return to easy money and more inflation … when it gets serious — you must lie

    • The central bankers want to raise the incomes of the banks and the very rich, and make it harder for the poor to buy cars and homes on credit. They want to disproportionately hurt small businesses, rather than large businesses.

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        I thought this was the best Bank of Canada quote:

        “We expect growth will stall in the next few quarters—in other words, growth will be close to zero. But once we get through this slowdown, growth will pick up, our economy will grow solidly, and the benefits of low and predictable inflation will be restored.”

        the BoC will save the day… because they said so.

        never ending growth narrative blahblahblah.

  5. Fast Eddy says:

    The giant machine is groaning …. and creaking …

    “No Easy Outs to Restoring Price Stability”: Bank of Canada Hikes by 50 bpts to 3.75%, More Hikes to Come, QT to Continue, as “Unsustainable” Home Prices Plunge, GDP “Stalls”

    “Not enough” v. “Too much”: If not enough, it “will require much higher interest rates and potentially a severe recession to control inflation. No one wants that.”

    https://wolfstreet.com/2022/10/26/no-easy-outs-to-restoring-price-stability-bank-of-canada-hikes-by-50-bpts-to-3-75-more-hikes-to-come-qt-to-continue-as-unsustainable-home-prices-plunge-fastest/

    US is confused… hike and crash the markets.. don’t hike >>> feed the inflationary monster https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/futures-edge-lower-earnings-flood-2022-10-25/

    Something is gonna break…

  6. banned says:

    Were out of abundant energy.
    WE MUST SPEND ALL THATS LEFT ON A HYPER COMPLEX TECHNOLOGY THAT REQUIRES ABUNDANT ENERGY FOR EVERY ASPECT OF ITS DANGEROUS AND UNPROVEN EXISTENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    IT MAY FAIL IT WILL PROBABLY FAIL IT IS UNSUSTAINABLE AND UNFEASIBLE BY EVERY METRIC EVER CREATED BUT AT LEAST WE ARE PROACTIVE!!!!
    FOLLOW ME!!!!!

    At least power satellites didn’t involve the creation of deadly hazardous waste with half lives of millions of years. Keith its you. Cmon man.

    Spend those resources getting soil and manure to people. THe rooftops of the cities. Solution nah. Its somthing. Insulated passive solar structures. Like the things we need to live. Water sources. Something some of the people can use. Not some jive ass quasi military industrial continuance fantasy $$$$$ scam joke.

    • Young people need jobs and the view that complexity will continue to grow, so that there will be a need for people with very technical backgrounds. It is not possible to tell people, “Learn whittling, and you can make toys for kids.”

      • MM says:

        Why not ?
        Seriously!
        If you did not learn it but went to the university instead, you will have a competitive disadvantage above the person that knows how to make toys for kids.
        Actually, kids, unexpectedly is not really a growing market anymore. Sigh.

      • banned says:

        Oh great Sensei Gail. I am not sure how you are connecting a terrible terrible industry to choices of education. You know part of working with and understanding technology is understanding when it is inappropriate, too complex for the application to be useful. With complexity comes cost and downtime. Often technology has some aspect of hazardous substances that is part of the complexity. Personal must be trained and available to be able to cope with the spills and accidents that occur. If the accident shuts down production it can be quite costly. Good HAZMAT training is far from cheap as is the equipment. Understanding the risk of the materials needed for a particular technology is part of being competent in that technology. I was class 3 hazmat certified for well over a decade. Full suit SCBA.

        Perhaps hyper technology was a misnomer. From my perspective nuclear power not only demonstrates extremely poor competency in technology in its disregard for the hazards of the materials it uses both in short and long term risks but this incompetency affects the safety of many many generations as yet unborn. Take for instance the Union Carbide industrial accident in Bhopal India a incident I have studied. No less than four fail safes were disabled for that accident to occur. I put the responsibility for that horrible accident on the operators not the corporation or the designers. The damage was only in the time of the release however. Imagine if it kept on damaging for a million years. Its inconceivable.

        Union carbide was still responsible for the compensation for the extensive maiming injuries the release caused. You may remember “love canal” tragedy where a chemical company sold off a gravely contaminated piece of property (for $1) on the condition that the buyer was responsible for the hazard. The result was many dead and injured people when a housing tract was built on that property. Because of that and other abuses that occurred of chemical dumping in the 70s the laws were changed. The corporation is always responsible for the byproducts of its operation now. Now extensive attention is given to make damm sure the byproducts dont harm people because it can ruin a company.

        I consider these laws to be part of competency when engaged in the pursuit of technology. The nuclear industry is specifically exempt from these laws. If they were not given that exemption the nuclear power industry would end instantly. The financial risk totally would outweigh any profit. The reason is pretty obvious. The materials and byproducts of the operation of their business are dangerous for millions of years. There is no way the business can be justified from a perspective of HAZMAT competency or responsibility to the safety of the public. The very core of the law in regard to hazardous materials after love canal that a corporation can not discard its responsibility for the hazards it creates is openly bypassed for the nuclear industry. The standards of HAZMAT competency and public safety that every other business must abide by do not apply to the nuclear industry.

        Peter has stated its the “rules and regulations” holding the nuclear industry back. How could it be more lenient? They have already been given a pass that no other industry has to not be responsible for whatever mayhem they create.

        Why? Weapons research pure and simple. The nuclear industry was needed to create weapons materials for bombs. So they get a pass when it comes to public safety. Hurray!!!

        If these new mini reactors are so damn safe surely they are willing to have the law apply to them that applies to every other business? Is that what we hear Peter advocating? No he wants less regulation because we have to save the world. IMO he is a obvious shill for the nuclear industry. I am sorry i have no respect for that industry. Its not that I dont respect the technology and knowledge that exists, but responsibility for the hazards of the technology you create is a core part of competency. Where is another example of exclusion from liability that has been given? The so called vaccines. The vaccine manufacturers are given exclusion from liability that applies to the rest of the industry. Neither industry gives a crap about public safety. Both have motives and purposes based in something other than public benefit and safety.

        In regard to a youth deciding to invest in a education that involves technology i am of course quite sympathetic. It is a decision that requires a understanding of world events and the economy that most students are not competent to make. The salesperson ala counselor of the education facility is not someone to be trusted in this matter. Hopefully with the conflict with China some of the USA technology that was borne of USA ingenuity and USA educational system that was exported by our corporate masters might return. It took two decades to give it away its not coming back tomorrow.

        Rather than deride the production of children’s toys I would say if your drawn to their production and technology find yourself a used CNC wood mill that uses an obsolete programing language repair the tool, learn the tool and the programing and make the product you believe in. A young person is going to have a lot better chance of being successful at that if they have aptitude than a formal education IMO. Ive had a few businesses some were successes some failures but I learned from every one. They will learn more and be more competent at a cost that is a fraction of formal education IMO. But there is not a damn thing wrong with whittling a product with craftsmanship if you believe in it, if it can sustain you, and it makes you happy! last I checked wood shavings are not going to maim anyone 500 thousand years from now. It might be a tad better than ending up 80K in debt with skills that are not marketable. It sure as hell beats going into a predatory industry that disregards public safety not just now but for a inconceivable time frame no matter what the compensation.

  7. Fast Eddy says:

    What to Show a Reasonable Person to Get Them to Question Any More Covid Shots

    Two of the most eminent doctors in the UK and US – both jabbed — turn against the injections and call for the half of further injections…

    https://thefreethinker.substack.com/p/what-to-show-a-reasonable-person

    • banned says:

      They dont want to know. Anyone injected doesnt want to know how bad it is. I dont blame them. ITS FREAKIN BAD.

      All the protest about you eddy. Hes ruining this ruining that. I just wanted to have a quiet cup not hear again that I was cajoled into a life changing event. Thats what its about. They wont say that because thats even more painful then hearing the truth. Thats where we are. The uninjected are thanking their lucky stars. THe injected are resentful and jealous. They DO NOT want to hear it. Everyone knows. Every single person knows now. The injected cant uninject themselves. They may not admit it even to themselves but they know. That they cant admit it makes them even more mad. Way way less than 10% of the population went in for the latest booster. And the radio blairs the same old blah blah blah and every single person knows its a flat out lie advocating a experimentation on humanity. THe politicians distance themselves from it two minutes before election because its like a ride on Epsteins plane. Lets not talk about that. What are the injected supposed to do? Their doing what everyone does. Doing the best they can.

      Myself I like your links. The truth is I dont click on 9 out of ten. I already know the score. Everyone knows the score now. As more evidence comes forward that this was and is a ongoing attempt at transhumanism I like to keep abreast of the addition of evidence. In a way I dont want to be reminded either. The implications are too hard to deal with. A experiment was and is being executed on humanity and I am a non participant. Thats not going to look good on my social credit score. Im just grateful for every minute of BAU. You see just like the injected know they are in the uninjected know they are out. This aint over. Its not going to just pass into the night. Its too big. Its still grinding away. The next stage is ahead of us. The resentment of the injected is there to be tapped. Here they are got injected like a good citizen and those dirty uninjected didnt have nothing happen to them. When you hear the gripes about your posts you hear that angst. Boil that dust speck is not gone. Far from it. The injected see your posts what do they feel. Rage. Payback. I believe we have an example of that behavior. It comes from a place even they dont understand.

      Eddy you like pouring hot sauce on the wound. Me I guess Im a big p****.
      Payback is a b****.

      Once this little Russian thing is resolved it will be back to business. In spades. You think they have forgotten about the uninjected? Be serious.

      • Tim Groves says:

        He’s right, you know!
        The vaxed are now the vexed.
        The protected are now the perplexed.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I dunno about that… out of all the people I know who told me they were injected (I know a lot of others who I am sure did but they are peripherals and I do not have much contact with them e.g. ice hockey league)… so lets say 15 – 20 people…

        Only 3 have stepped off the death train. Two of them have what looks to be permanent heart damage — the third is the girl friend of one of them.

        All the others are at least as committed as norm.

        I don’t buy into the ‘10%’ are boosted number. Where does that come from? The MSM. It could be 2% – it could be 70% who knows…

        Based on my personal numbers it’s more like 90% are continuing to boost.

        If uptake was only 10% – surely Fizzer share price would be crashing (and we’d for once have had a cure for stooopidity)

        Click the 5 yr option:

        https://www.google.com/search?q=pfizer+share+price&rlz=1C1CHBF_enNZ946NZ946&oq=pfizer+share+price&aqs=chrome..69i57l2j69i59l2j0i271l3j69i60.2502j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

      • Lidia17 says:

        “You think they have forgotten about the uninjected? ”

        Voter analytics firm PredictWise harvested location data from tens of millions of US cellphones during the initial Covid lockdown months and used this data to assign a “Covid-19 decree violation” score to the people associated with the phones.

        These Covid-19 decree violation scores were calculated by analyzing nearly two billion global positioning system (GPS) pings to get “real-time, ultra-granular locations patterns.” People who were “on the go more often than their neighbors” were given a high Covid-19 decree violation score while those who mostly or always stayed at home were given a low Covid-19 decree violation score.
        https://reclaimthenet.org/us-analytics-firm-covid-19-decree-violation-scores/

    • One of these two doctors is Dr. Aseem Malhotra, cardiologist and vaccine advocate. He has written two peer reviewed articles published by insulinresistence.org. This is the abstract of one:

      Abstract
      Background: In response to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), several new pharmaceutical agents have been administered to billions of people worldwide, including the young and healthy at little risk from the virus. Considerable leeway has been afforded in terms of the pre-clinical and clinical testing of these agents, despite an entirely novel mechanism of action and concerning biodistribution characteristics.
      Aim: To gain a better understanding of the true benefits and potential harms of the messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) coronavirus disease (COVID) vaccines.
      Methods: A narrative review of the evidence from randomised trials and real world data of the COVID mRNA products with special emphasis on BionTech/Pfizer vaccine.
      Results: In the non-elderly population the “number needed to treat” to prevent a single death runs into the thousands. Re-analysis of randomised controlled trials using the messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) technology suggests a greater risk of serious adverse events from the vaccines than being hospitalised from COVID-19. [Emphasis added] Pharmacovigilance systems and real-world safety data, coupled with plausible mechanisms of harm, are deeply concerning, especially in relation to cardiovascular safety. Mirroring a potential signal from the Pfizer Phase 3 trial, a significant rise in cardiac arrest calls to ambulances in England was seen in 2021, with similar data emerging from Israel in the 16–39-year-old age group.
      Conclusion: It cannot be said that the consent to receive these agents was fully informed, as is required ethically and legally. A pause and reappraisal of global vaccination policies for COVID-19 is long overdue.
      Contribution: This article highlights the importance of addressing metabolic health to reduce chronic disease and that insulin resistance is also a major risk factor for poor outcomes from COVID-19.

      This is the abstract of the other:

      Abstract
      Background: Authorities and sections of the medical profession have supported unethical, coercive, and misinformed policies such as vaccine mandates and vaccine passports, undermining the principles of ethical evidence-based medical practice and informed consent. These regrettable actions are a symptom of the ‘medical information mess’: The tip of a mortality iceberg where prescribed medications are estimated to be the third most common cause of death globally after heart disease and cancer.
      Aim: To identify the major root causes of these public health failures.
      Methods: A narrative review of both current and historical driving factors that underpin the pandemic of medical misinformation.
      Results: Underlying causes for this failure include regulatory capture – guardians that are supposed to protect the public are in fact funded by the corporations that stand to gain from the sale of those medications [Emphasis added]. A failure of public health messaging has also resulted in wanton waste of resources and a missed opportunity to help individuals lead healthier lives with relatively simple – and low cost – lifestyle changes.
      Conclusion: There is a strong scientific, ethical and moral case to be made that the current COVID vaccine administration must stop until all the raw data has been subjected to fully independent scrutiny. Looking to the future the medical and public health professions must recognise these failings and eschew the tainted dollar of the medical-industrial complex. It will take a lot of time and effort to rebuild trust in these institutions, but the health – of both humanity and the medical profession – depends on it.
      Contribution: This article highlights the importance of addressing metabolic health to reduce chronic disease and that insulin resistance is also a major risk factor for poor outcomes from COVID-19.

      • Xabier says:

        All well and good, as far as it goes, but Dr Malhotra has been consigned to utter oblivion by the MSM here, no one knows about his new views (initially he was on TV cheerleading for the shots). Politicians have also cold-shouldered him.

        It might be different if the BMJ had published his papers, but they seem to lack bravery when push comes to shove.

        It is in fact very easy to demonstrate the regulatory capture and show it is not mere ‘CT’ paranoia: the head of the MHRA in the UK stated in public at a recent Oxford conference on vaxxes that she is now ‘an enabler’ and no longer a ‘watchdog’ in relation to the pharma companies.

        A regulator which is not a watchdog is a merely division of the pharma industry, not a regulator. She is also in favour of developing vaxxes in 100 days.

        Of course, she is also fully under government/military orders, it’s no just question of dirty money from pharma.

        This is on public record, because they are proud of this.

  8. Peter Cassidy says:

    Zero carbon synthetic fuels produced using scalable nuclear energy.

    https://www.lucidcatalyst.com/scalablenuclearenergyforzerocarbonsyntheticfuels

    • banned says:

      The syllables in those words are pleasing. Could you get them to rhyme?

    • nikoB says:

      Dragons have scales too. Scaling them is probably our best untapped energy source.

    • It sounds like the video at this link relates to ammonia being used as a liquid fuel for long-distance transport and shipping. Even this would require quite a bit of change from the diesel fuel and other energy dense fuels used to day. It would be less impossible that than trying to use batteries to power very heavy vehicles, but I expect that it still would be much less optimal than today’s diesel.

      • Peter Cassidy says:

        Ammonia energy density is 1/3 that of diesel. Presumably, an ammonia truck would have 1/3 the range. But there are efficiency advantages to synthesising ammonia over trying to capture and reduce CO2 into a fuel like methanol or DME. One reference I found talked about blending ammonia into gasoline and diesel.

        • I wasn’t sure how much lower the energy density of ammonia was, but didn’t get around to looking it up. Thanks!

          Ethanol, blended with gasoline, also has lower energy density, so people get less range with a tank of gasoline.

          If energy density of ammonia is only 1/3 that of gasoline, this adds a whole host of problems. Stations for refilling need to be much closer together. Drivers must spend more time doing the fill-ups. The quantity of ammonia produced needs to be much higher than the diesel it replaces. Somehow, all of this ammonia has to be produced and transported to its end point. We currently use oil pipelines for transporting diesel and gasoline. Ethanol has to be sent by truck separately, and blended near the point of use. I expect that ammonia would be similar.

    • MM says:

      We do have a build up of LNG facilities.
      We do not have a build up of synthetic fuels.
      I know that some subsidised plants exist around the world but I doubt that a shrinking economy provides for any growth in whatever sector.
      Besides porn and meth, maybe.

  9. Fast Eddy says:

    Why Do Vaccines Consistently Fail to Prevent Disease Transmission?

    Many of you have been treated in horrific ways by your friends and family throughout the pandemic for refusing to adopt the nonsensical or dangerous pandemic management strategies that were force-fed to us by the media.

    A key point I have tried to lay out here was that these strategies were known to be nonsensical from the start (they were designed to create compliance not to prevent deaths) and many approaches that would have been highly effective to save lives or prevent the economic devastation of COVID-19 were deliberately not implemented.

    https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/why-do-vaccines-consistently-fail

    https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb70b328c-c09f-4dc2-9ebf-03aa4f3a4f6c_866x896.png

    • This article goes on to say:

      The most plausible explanation for this inexcusable behavior was that oligarchs like Bill Gates chose to copy the playbook Fauci used throughout the early days of AIDS. At that time, highly effective treatments for AIDS were kept away from the public so that highly lucrative and extremely dangerous drugs could instead be forced upon a desperate population, resulting in many homosexual men being sacrificed to enrich a small number of predatory oligarchs.

      In the case of COVID-19, remdesivir, a dangerous and ineffective (but highly lucrative) medication initially occupied that niche. Aided by the relentless efforts of corrupt members of the federal government, remdesivir was given a monopoly over hospital care for COVID-19 patients. Through its abysmal failure to cure the disease, remdesivir set the stage for “emergency” vaccines to enter the market, an “emergency” that only existed because effective treatments were kept out of the hospital system thanks to remdesivir’s monopoly.

      The story is absolutely absurd (but true). There are a lot of links in the original.

      Fauci found he could get away with this type of behavior with treatments for AIDS, so he and Bill Gates (and others) repeated it for Covid-19.

      • Xabier says:

        The crimes of this man who has been presented to us an an avuncular saint are incredible.

        And here in the UK people sick with respiratory illness – not just ‘Covid’ – still can’t get prompt access to effective early treatments from a family doctor.

        The suppression of effective existing pharmaceutical treatments is murder on an unimaginable scale.

        Although we know that they too will disappear with BAU collapse.

  10. Fast Eddy says:

    Moldova https://t.me/leaklive/9931

    Classic — as we can see there is no turning a MORE-ON https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/52868

    Ask any single woman about the ease of dating in today’s world and they will most certainly roll their eyes and groan. As a single woman myself, I can vouch for how tough the dating climate is for every one of us. But unvaccinated, single women now have it that much harder. The reason? The decision as to whether or not they will date vaccinated men is now on the table. And I can tell you first-hand, which has nothing to do with the viability of the candidates, themselves, as rich and interesting prospects, but rather “sex” to put it bluntly.

    The overriding concern that the harmful effects of this vaccine may, ultimately, enter these women once the raincoat comes off.

    https://2ndsmartestguyintheworld.substack.com/p/unvaccinated-single-women-say-no

  11. I notice another Zerohedge article about US diesel shortages.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/major-fuel-supplier-code-red-diesel-crisis-hits-southeast

    Now the problem is in the Southeast (where I live) as well as the Northeast.

    The crisis gripping the diesel market appears to be getting out of hand as one fuel supply logistics company initiated emergency protocols this week.

    “Because conditions are rapidly devolving and market economics are changing significantly each day, Mansfield is moving to Alert Level 4 to address market volatility. Mansfield is also moving the Southeast to Code Red, requesting 72-hour notice for deliveries when possible to ensure fuel and freight can be secured at economical levels,” Mansfield Energy wrote in an update to customers on Tuesday. The trucking firm has a fleet of tankers that delivers refined fuel products to more than 8,000 customers nationwide.

    Mansfield said in many areas on the East Coast, diesel fuel prices are “30-80 cents higher than the posted market average, because supply is tight.”

    “At times, carriers are having to visit multiple terminals to find supply, which delays deliveries and strains local trucking capacity,” the notice continued.

    The article mentions strong domestic demand and soaring exports of the fuel being parts of the problem.

    • houtskool says:

      In the Netherlands, diesel shortages are on prime time news currently.

      We’ll see. If trucks stop running…

      https://www.rijnmond.nl/nieuws/1568943/dieseltekort-dreigt-vanwege-importverbod-van-russische-brandstof-dit-merken-rotterdamse-raffinaderijen

      • Student says:

        If Netherlands stops (which is closely linked to Germany) and which is very important for its international ports, there will be a great problems for the whole EU.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        They seem to be prepping us for an implosion … probably a component of the heavy duty lockdowns and Global Holodomor… pre-conditioning is important to ensure the extinction is orderly… with minimal ROF.

        BTW – the dive operator in WA asked if I was ‘adventurous’… apparently they offer the opportunity to get in the water with a Tiger Shark… but only if the shark is not acting aggressively…

        I was like that sounds kinda cool — has anyone ever been killed by a shark doing that? Not so far…. usually the shark swims away very quickly so you barely get a glimpse of it (which kinda defeats the purpose — if it’s keen on eating you it circles round and round and you get a nice look … otherwise it flees)

        It’s hard to make a decision on that in advance.. but my gut says — do nothing that risks missing out on UEP.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Due to the globalized world… the understanding that if one part of the organism (even a little toe like Sri Lanka) is completely starved of energy… the organism dies (if the liver sees the little toe rotting it panics)…

      Thus the organism organizes and triages the remaining energy … let’s give a small amount to the little toe — just enough to keep it from rotting and dying…

      No sense in fighting over what remains — better to share it… to stagger on a little longer

    • Fast Eddy says:

      That’s what Pez Fentanyl is for

      https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/10/fentanyl-drug-overdoses-xanax-painkillers

      Check out the photo … why else would you create Pez Fent? This stuff is meant for hard core street junkies… they don’t need it to be cutsied up as candy…

      This is intended to go mainstream at some point … as a way out.

      And now we have the Super Fent.. for elephants… why would that be plugged into the market? It’s instant death… unless that is the goal.

      No doubt that’s why they stayed in the Ghan for 2 decades — they needed a high volume source for the raw materials to make enough Super Fent to kill billions…

      And when they’d stockpiled enough — they up and left the country. Interesting timing… no?

      • This really seems to be happening, according to the Guardian article–making Fentanyl to look like Pez or Xanax, or something else. The article points out one obvious thing:

        “‘Killing off your entire customer base is not economically viable,’ wrote Trappy_Pandora.”

        Another view:

        US Drug Enforcement Administration spokesman Melvin Patterson has another theory about the mysterious pills: marketing. He believes that users are seeking a new twist to their usual high. For suppliers, Patterson said the Xanax laced with fentanyl is another way to make money off the synthetic opioid, which is both cheap and potent.

        Making Fentanyl to look like Pez or Xanax sounds like a crazy idea to me. It is certain to lead to overdoses.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          The only rationale explanation is that it’s being disguised to make it easier to get your children to take it — When The Time Comes (WTTC)

          There will be warehouses across the world with many tonnes of this stuff ready to go … all produce from High Grade Afghanistan Opium.

          Is anyone starting to get anxious?

          The forces of darkness are coming into alignment.

          • Xabier says:

            A growing overdose problem could also be used to conveniently mask vaxx-deaths in the under- 60’s……..

            Who would have thought OFW would become a kind of watchtower from which we see the armies of Mordor and everlasting darkness advancing ….

  12. banned says:

    Oakland vs Detroit which is more livable you decide!
    (unfair because you can make more money selling lemonade in Oakland than running a jackhammer in Detroit)

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/KjVj3hNZQTp1/

  13. Americans never really suffered stagnation in its entire history so they don’t understand that stasis can go around for quite a long time.

    the late Dr. Robert Firth said Waterloo saved Europe. I shot back to him that it led Europe to a half century of stagnation. He didn’t answer.

    But it is true that Wellington and co led Europe to a half century of doing nothing, which significantly benefited United States to the ultimate failure of humanity.

    If Putin & Co becomes victorious (a lot of Americans are in denial, but Putin becoming victorious does not mean the Russians go marching Pennsylvania Ave. It means he gets to control the narrative of civilization) we will see a long period of stasis and virtually no progress, just like 1815. General Surovkin (the so called General Armageddon) will boast himself that he is the Wellington of 21st century. In my opinion Surovkin would be remembered as the guy who killed Western Civ.

    • nikoB says:

      I like that. No Progress.
      Hasn’t really been working out lately has it?
      So let us take a break to catch our breath and take in our surrounds, get a feel for the terrain.

    • Unfortunately, we are already starting a decline in energy consumption per capita. This doesn’t come out as well as stagnation. It leads to people fighting over resources and to falling population. We haven’t had much recent experience with this, except perhaps in the areas that were previously in the Soviet Union. Also, perhaps in the former Yugoslavia.

  14. Some people think USA has the most number of people with high IQs.

    That might be arguably true, but it certainly has the most number of people with useless high IQs.

    A lot of such high IQs are wasted trying to extract the best way to manipulate financial markets, or other endeavors not truly adding up to the advancement of civilization.

    Quite a lot of high IQs are spent upon gaming the system, about which the immigrants excel.

    Frankly speaking, if we lobotomize all these people with useless high IQs, the world will lose nothing and will actually benefit.

    • Dennis L. says:

      Maybe not, 20% effort gives 80% of results, the trick it to choose the correct 20%. Given that this is impossible it is the best of all possible worlds, part of fabric of universe.

      Dennis L.

    • banned says:

      You dont need a high IQ to fetch for a doggy biscuit. If you like the doggy biscuit and dont like the pound its certainly “smart” to fetch but high IQ meh. Damn dog park is full of dogs wanting to fetch now and there is poop all over the place.

    • banned says:

      Free lobotomy you say! Oh goody where do I sign up! Buy another television… What?

    • houtskool says:

      A brain is a highly complex dissipative structure. Take one piece out and you have a hit on Netflix.

  15. banned says:

    Electric SUV. $250K.
    Electric excavator to bury nuclear waste. Priceless.

    (although since a lot of the work a excavator does is not just moving its mass it might not be too bad)

  16. banned says:

    Peter;
    Maybe the new Saudi Utopia town is the place for your wunderwaffen reactors?

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/w4Fzgmneh74/

    • First video I have seen for which there are more than 10 times as many down thumbs as up thumbs. Maybe selling hope, when the situation is really lacking in hope, is not something the viewers consider a good idea.

      • banned says:

        If the thumbs up vs thumbs down poll was given to those slated to live in the new facility the results might be slightly different. Hope is very popular when it is for you. It is rather less popular when you are excluded. A poll about USA economic recovery in Bangladesh might have a few thumbs down too.

  17. Rodster says:

    “The End Of The Growth Road” by CHS

    https://www.oftwominds.com/blogoct22/end-of-road10-22.html

    • Rodster says:

      He finishes by saying:

      “The road ends, and the trail beyond is narrow, rough and unmarked. Those who are deaf to marketing and debt and attuned to self-reliance will do just fine. Everyone caught by surprise that the infinite road actually has an end will face a bewildering transition.”

    • reante says:

      That ZH publishes Gail and CHS is confirmation that, what, five percent of elite propaganda serves long-term interests. one of which is supporting a bare minimum of genetic diversity.

      • drb753 says:

        can you rephrase that, perhaps with better punctuation? what does the other 95% of the propaganda do? and is it propaganda to the elites or by the elites?

        • reante says:

          The 95pc serves short- and medium-term interests. Of course elite long-term interests are relatively short-term interests under natural law.

          The 5pc they take from the creative commons, because that’s where objectivism still lies.

          It’s propaganda by the elites. The elites don’t need to propagandize themselves. They’re made men.

          • drb753 says:

            so the 5% is not really propaganda, as it contains factual information. more like genuine media. I would concur on that. and it is of course a lot less than 5%. It is not 1% even on zerohedge.

            • reante says:

              When factual information on the creative commons is amplified on a propaganda outlet for elite purposes, however much those purposes align with the creative commons, it is propaganda, by definition. On OFW and OTM it is not propaganda.

              When the estate owner walks out into his meadow that was formerly a commons and says to his grazier, “what a fine meadow, we must take care of it for future generations,” he’s talking about his feudal bloodlines. He’s not talking about the grazier and the serfs who are more or less expendable. What he said is wise in and of itself, but in context it’s elitist propaganda.

            • reante says:

              Yeah less than 5%

            • Tim Groves says:

              All the best propaganda contains factual information. The more factual, the more believable it is. The key thing that makes something propaganda is how and why it’s catapulted.

            • reante says:

              Tim

              Like “safe and effective”? 😁

            • drb753 says:

              you still need to use your own brain. I do not believe that gail’s work becomes propaganda just from being copied. I do concur with tim that false narratives need some facts in them.

            • reante says:

              drb

              Like “safe and effective”?

              The whole point of propaganda is to scientifically override/subvert the brain’s ability to think clearly. You can’t just ‘cancel’ propaganda by saying, “you still need to use your own brain.” That’s cognitive dissonance talking, right? It’s okay if the ‘alt-right’ CIA front company that co-opts the creative commons co-opts Gail’s work in service of the reaction in problem-reaction-solution. That’s in accordance with natural law no different than the elites are in accordance with natural law in feeling like they are entitled to managing the inevitable population crash by proactive depopulation. They’re entitled to that because they grew the population out in the first place as farmers of men. That’s as it ‘should’ be from the ‘spiritual’/natural law perspective. It’s just cause and effect boiled-down.

              And we’re entitled to individually respond as we see fit, too. Occasionally the polar entitlements overlap because both cohorts are human beings. Us and them have survivalism in common. So they crosspost Gail. They promote Gail. And in doing so provide the less convicted among us with much needed validation. Under natural law they must return the favor somehow, because all relationships are two-way. The warden must feed the inmate just as the inmate feeds the warden.

              The warden has picked the ‘alt-right’ (a branch of national socialism) and has also picked hardcore doomie preppers like Eddy, whose so into prepping his whole deal is to run interference on himself lol. Both picks are for obvious reasons. National Socialism is the medium-term future. And hardy self-reliant humans are backbone of the ‘georgia guidestones’ target population.

              If not us, who?

          • There is a lot of elite worship out there. I myself had a few brushes with them. They are just ordinary humans, much more arrogant, greedy, self centered, well guarded and self important but still humans.

            Often they are worse than nothing without their established wealth. A cadre of minions have to be there to attend to them all the time.

            A thinking person won’t be impressed or intimidated by them. Not good to cross their paths, but no reason to respect them as made people. They are made by their family and their cadres, and without them they are lost.

            • Cromagnon says:

              The Phoenix/Vulcan/Angel of Death was specifically encoded into the fabric of this similacrum to “ control the Archons”.
              The elites are in true actuality under deep existential threat. The coming cataclysm will specifically target them. There is simply overwhelming mythological, historical and now emerging archeological evidence for this.
              Feel no sympathy for them, they bring the great red dragon down on themselves.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Nice summary. We are f789ed.

      Don’t mind us … we’re just waiting to die … and killing the time between now and then

  18. CTG says:

    Peter Cassidy, I love your passion. I love your optimism. Can you get what you have said done within 4-6 weeks? We needed that cheap energy before Europe freezes over. With many people dead, no one paying any mortgages, banks will be dead. Japanese financial system is only a few weeks away from collapse (This is good : https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/one-bank-makes-stunning-discovery-bank-japans-ycc-broken-and-soon-entire-jgb-market-will ), Credit Suisse is unknown.

    Low cost energy is very important and we need it now. Screw the financial meltdown. No money no problem but we need the energy pronto.

    • According to the zero hedge article:

      : one day the BOJ does everything in its power to prevent the yen from imploding, the very next day it does, well, precisely the opposite as it unleashes the yen firehose assuring new record lows for the doomed currency.

      Idiocy? Yes. But once you are in the endgame of MMT and helicopter money, that’s all you have left.

      Japan has been playing the MMT game longer than any other country. It has been creating jobs that make no possible economic sense, so that the country can have full economic employment. According to this IMF Working Paper from 2012, Japan’s usual economic policies began as early as 1998. https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2012/wp1202.pdf

      Japan had been issuing amazing amounts of debt to support what amounted to give-away make-work programs, and the policy didn’t seem to lead to huge levels of inflation. At some point, however, the system stops working, even for Japan. We seem to be approaching that point now.

      • Peter Cassidy says:

        We are going to see a deep recession and probably currency crises in Japan, EU and UK. It isn’t clear to me that this entails a complete breakdown of society. Germany suffered a great depression and currency collapse in the 1920s. Many people went hungry. By the mid 1930s, they had recovered.

        From a technical point of view, if the UK or US government assembled a team of nuclear engineers and told them to build a fleet of fast breeder reactors as quickly as possible, I have little doubt that they could go from zero to having the first one on line in five years. It is the cripplingly slow regulatory system that makes these sorts of projects slow and expensive. High hazard industries do need regulators. But the system as it stands, pushes costs and build times into the stratosphere. Something has to change. Maybe the prospect of freezing to death will inspire that change.

        • by the mid 1930s, the German people had ‘recovered’ because Hitler created a Ponzi scheme in which everyone was ‘invited’ to participate

          it lasted 12 years

          • Peter Cassidy says:

            But the point is that they did recover and went on to build a powerful war machine. Obviously, it wouldn’t be wise to precisely replicate their experience.

            But the idea of carrying out some sort of mass nuclear buildout to pull us out of an energy induced depression, is certainly plausible. We can do that with nuclear power if we need to because of the extraordinary power density of nuclear systems. A house-sized nuclear steam supply system could power a large city.

            We could build a factory capable of punching out hundreds of modular nuclear power systems in just a few years if we had to. We may be approaching the point where we have to think like this.

            • Van Kent says:

              The Nazi recovery of +9% gdp per year, was made with funnymoney (mefo-bills). If any audits would have been made, the entire german economy would have collapsed immediately.

              Energy = limited.. solution = build more nuclear.. nope. Energy is not the only problem. We have limited resources of all kind. If we wanted to build small nuclear reactors, thousands and thousands of them.. it wouldnt be possible

              https://undervaluedequity.com/increasing-global-non-renewable-natural-resource-scarcity-prelude-to-global-societal-collapse/

              And additionally, Alice Friedemann has written how pure electricity is not a solution at all. Our civilization runs on trucks, ships and tractors..

              Sorry.. collapse of industrial civilization straight ahead.. and no way of avoiding it..

            • At that time fossil fuels were plentiful and for the first 8 years of the Reich’s life it had a full use of FF.

              Your optimism is commendable but has no basis in today’s reality

            • a lot of their liquid fuels was derived from coal

            • I agree Peter

              Hitler built wartoys, giving jobs to everyone, but wartoys are use-less until they are used. The result was a foregone conclusion.

              Roosevelt did the same thing–but built peace toys–dams, roads, schools etc, but as an example, the Grand Coulie dam had no real function until WW2, when the desperate need for aircraft aluminium kicked in.

              Until then it was a colossal job creation scheme, It produced energy that couldn’t be used

              That is the essence of my point, energy is useless unless ways can be found to use it

            • drb753 says:

              It’s pretty amazing that here mefobills are characterized as funny money, but privately generated currency is not? I will say this, all money is of course funny, but mefobills, being backed by the state, still have more legitimacy than anything the west has produced.

            • Dennis L. says:

              Peter,

              It is the compound interest problem, the limit goes to infinity or close enough very quickly.

              Part of the fabric of the universe; e.g. stars have a life span and explode, collapse or simply go quiet. If they collapse they go somewhere, but we simply don’t know yet. i.e. a black hole.

              We are not in control, it is in the fabric of the universe, otherwise referred to as God.

              Is the idea recognizing lack of control part of the green agenda? Don’t know.

              Dennis L.

            • banned says:

              Norman;
              “That is the essence of my point, energy is useless unless ways can be found to use it”

              As you have often pointed out oil is food. Its got a pretty high demand not sure exactly why…

            • i think it has to do with survival

              we have increased our numbers to the level where we can’t survive on what i call ‘surface food’.

              So we are left with the only other option, dig up 100 m yr old sunshine, and convert that into food.

              now that is running out too…we need answers, and quickly

            • nikoB says:

              So what you all seem to be saying is that things won’t work out.
              There is no way that is true, it would be on the news.

            • reante says:

              Right on drb. Just like the coming greenbacks (digital?) will have more legitimacy than the federal reserve note.

        • banned says:

          Existing high technology facilities can barely get the spare parts now. Supply chains are broken and as the multi prong crisis energy-war-financial proceeds I see the prospects for any new facilitation to be extremely dim regardless of whether captain Picard says make it so. But who knows. We have seen recent emergency authorizations where the rudimentary frameworks created to keep the public safe have been abandoned so maybe they will do the same for the nuclear “industry”. A reactor in every pot!

        • CTG says:

          Now I know…. you have silo mentality…. “It will recover”… How? Do you realize that you are comparing apple to oranges when you are talking about “now” and 1920s?

          It is a known fact that OPEC cannot produce more oil. Your plans requires tons of oil to do from mining to manufacturing, etc.

          Perhaps you can do us a favour by telling us how you plan to make your plans viable? We are all detailed oriented people here….

          FYI – I put down the facts that we need probably 1km x 1km of land for solar panels and probably an extra gigantic non-existent battery for just one small steel mill, people just keep quiet. It does not include breakages of solar panel, people to wipe the panels clean, the maintenance of the wires, batteries and inverters.

          oh yeah… they “forgot” steel mills need to run 24 hours. One just cannot “turn on/off” steel mills

          Peter, just take one of your plans and tell us how you intend to make it work. Bear in mind that the financial collapse is just weeks away.

          by the way.. electricity does not produce “lubricants”. Forget about telling me “We will use leftover oil to do lubricants”. Tell that to the refinery and the entire oil and gas industry that needs economies of scale to run.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Peter would be a huge Elon Musk fan… the Tech Messiah…

            Remember how Elon solved Australia’s electricity power problem with his Giga Battery — and how he said we’d have self driving cabs by now …

            Elon is doing a really good job of convincing the barnyard animals of whatever

            • CTG says:

              Elon is the avatar of our Creator…

              Think about it. Which billionaire is so “reckless”? So reckless to openly defy SEC, smoke weed while being interviewed, etc.

              All billionaires will be very cautious as not to rock the boat and lose their billions.

              He is jut too “reckless” to be real

      • Dennis L. says:

        “Jobs which make no economic sense.”

        No sarcasm: Life makes no economic sense, a job gives men a sense of purpose, in the US our cities were gutted when jobs for men were shipped overseas to make more money for the elites which lead to grants from such as the Ford Foundation, McNamara and associated nonsense.

        Japan makes incredible machine tools, Toyota is a fabulous car. It has no oil, it makes things, it has worked for a long time.

        We live as a group, whether one attempts the liberal giveaways which decimated the black family in the sixties and then the white working class or make jobs that are economically senseless is not that hard a decision.

        If it works, it is right, if it does not work, it is wrong. Jobs worked, a cohesive group is important which may be a main function of a church and a religion with a simple set of rules that excuses failure to follow them.

        Our society in the US began failing before the energy crisis, Viet Nam is an example. Look at movies from the 1950s and the difference in culture compared to now is incredible. We have gone from small, suburban homes which were derided to camping on the sidewalk which seems celebrated among many. Elite, intellectuals made fun of suburbia, I was a housefellow at Madison during that transition. Tune in, drop out was the mantra, some character from Harvard as I recall, a professor. Really dumb advice. Some now advocate prostitution as an honorable profession and weird cross dressers are invited to grade schools. Those ideas started in the sixties, before the peak in oil.

        Give a man a job, make him useful, help a person find personal respect, soon a woman comes along; I suspect it is part of the self organizing property of the universe. Maybe the US is set up as self organizing, I hope so, an optimist, we will come out the other side just fine. Jobs will help the transition even if not economically justified. We build churches to be used one day a week, no economics but they worked.

        Dennis L.

        • No different from the Indians praying for the buffaloes to return. Just like their prayers were in vain, your prayer will be as well since the energy sources won’t return

          • Cromagnon says:

            At the risk of throwing a pork chop into a synagogue,….. the “ buffaloes” ( Bison bison Athabaskae at least ) did return,…. I can see several hundred right now through my window.

            While we may in fact soon run out of affordable fossil fuel energy and be forced back to the Stone Age ( something I find totally reasonable) there maybe something coming out of left field ( or from the complex fabric of a holographic projection) that may give us a bizarre “steam punk” technological reality.

            While I have a hard time recounciling what I think I understand about atmospheric physics and ecology with biblical sources….. it remains that the antideluvian world was fundamentally different from our heliocentric reality.
            No visible sun, purplish dark daylight, no rain, warm environment
            Put simply, that means a vapor canopy. The physics of such a place may be dramatically different. It might help explain the “ impossible” buildings and incredible antiquity of some architecture. Much appears the result of extremely advanced geoplymers and some massive high precision equipment ( 10 ft rotary saw marks on the balbeck masonary).

            The world really is completely different from what most perceive.

            • Sure, there are some buffaloes, but will the Indians ever have a buffalo-based economy again? Probably not

              Same for some optimists who still think the BAU will last enough to lead some portion of mankind to the Promised Land

              The days for that have passed , the final threshold crossed sometime around 1980

            • Cromagnon says:

              There is a famous quote from Black Elk in the 1800s regarding “ white men” (modern industrial civilization) and the fact that they would have to kill all the buffalo and chop down all the trees before they learned that they could not eat money!

              Ironically all the old native mythology also states that at “ the end of time” the world will be reborn where the rivers flow into 3 oceans ( the headwater region in Montana). It is the place of possibly the worlds oldest megalithic structures ( probably 450, 000 bp).

              It is also the location Nostradamus said something would land to devastate the earth. Mother Shipton ( the medieval prophet) also said this locale was a pivotal one.

              The Nemesis object will make landfall there.

              Supernatural shit

            • reante says:

              There was an Indian chief in the early 1850s who took to horseback to warn all the plains Indians that in twenty years all the buffalo would be gone. They all thought he was nuts because it’s impossible to kill 100,000,000+ buffalo. A true seer. I like your view, Cromagnon.

        • banned says:

          Good Post- except for the hopium at the end. I think there is considerable truth in your words. I also think its note worthy that the Vietnam war was apparently the impetus for leaving the gold standard.

          I would also propose there is relative sanity. Yes all jobs may be insane but some are more insane than others. Shoplifting is different than robbing a bank but bank robbers say its all crime.

          I know the gold standard is out of favor a relic of the utmost antiquity and it most certainly was not without problems but it was a connection to the real world- the physical world -and ensured a certain amount of sanity. I am in no way a gold bug or think a return to the gold standard will solve any of our problems. Gold was a convenient commodity that is well suited as trading bead nothing more. The knowledge that a reliable trading bead kept societies sane and honest was more understood in post WWII. As Sanity is a consensus judgment my argument has flaws however. A expectation of a certain standard of living with the idea that if it doesnt occur there is a fault and a blame is the consensus now. After WW2 Europe seemed quite content not to have brown shirts tell them how to think , have some food, and not die in war. Its easy to forget.

        • I agree with you about jobs being helpful. Families with a husband, wife and children are helpful.

          The big discontinuities in the 1950s and the 1960s started to come when there was more energy consumption per capita. Suddenly, the way society had been structured in the past, with poor Blacks and richer Whites, was not the only way the system could work. Also, with the benefit of labor saving devices and birth control pills, more women could enter the labor force.

          All of society could change in different ways. Families could have two cars and move to the suburbs, where they were away from changing neighborhoods. Instead of visiting with neighbors, outside in the evenings, people could sit in front of their televisions for hours. All kinds of welfare programs became popular. But with these changes, families tended to break up. Wages for men tended to fall, as women were added to the workforce.

          Change, in general, is difficult to deal with, even added energy consumption per capita.

          • Dennis L. says:

            “Wages for men tended to fall, as women were added to the workforce.” That seems to be a generally agreed upon statement. Interesting, the capital owners profited at the expense of families, women became independent by driving down wages and enriching the overlords it would seem.

            I agree strongly with your idea of self organization. My current pet phrase is, “fabric of the universe.”

            Dennis L.

          • MM says:

            The new left calls the family “reproductive work” and asks that it needs payment.
            Well, if a man can not feed his family a lot of strange things seem to happen.

    • Also, I agree that the world needs cheap energy, right away. Four to six weeks would be ideal.

    • Peter Cassidy says:

      No. The best we can hope for is that the current crisis will inspire governments to accelerate nuclear build programmes. The US nuclear submarine programme went from a concept scribbled on paper in 1950, to the world’s first fully operational nuclear powered submarine in 1954. This gives an idea of how quickly things could progress if there is a national emergency and the right people were in charge. Today, it takes about 2 years to build a nuclear submarine. Using modular reactor systems, a similar timescale might be achievable if regulators were to allow it. Things can get done very quickly when there is a national imperitive.

      • Build the nuclear programs with what? Bare hands and knuckles?

        The nuclear sub program was born during the cold war and there is no comparable plan like that now

        The brains to design such goodies are also dead. Asian engineers can’t innovate a thing to save their lives. Lobotomizing all of Asian Stem grads is the first step to save civilization.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          ya it’s like why we never went back to the moon .. all those really smart people died… and they threw the tech into the bin cuz it was taking up too much space in the warehouse

      • MM says:

        Thank god a war or a machine therefore allows for application of some unconventional means.
        Nuclear power never was a war tool, it was meant for theme parks.

      • banned says:

        Tell you what Peter. Decommission the existing ancient GE reactors certified to operate at double their design life by the same NRC calling the new designs safe, get the spent fuel in bedrock and we will talk about your Wunderwaffen fast track. First things first. Those actions would instill a certain amount of trust in me. Without those demonstrated actions its just more Hanford is safe BS from the same talking heads.

      • banned says:

        Maybe the F-35 contractor could build them? Im sure they will bid!

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Operation Warp Speed 2.0?

    • MM says:

      It is more fun to lame on OFW than to visit your next startup incubator.

      • banned says:

        Do you know what a certified nuke technician makes turning bolts? Hell Peter im down! Right up until the fuel arrives.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      The BOJ ate its tail years ago — looks like it’s about to eat its own head…

      We really are on borrowed time here… on track for Q4 Boom.

  19. Student says:

    (TGcom24)

    According to FIASO (Federazione Italiana Aziende Sanitarie e Ospedaliere) there is a percentage of 33,3% of unvaccinated people inside intensive care Dept. in Italian hospitals.

    …which unfortunately means that the percentage of vaccinated is 66,7%…

    https://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/cronaca/covid-fiaso-no-vax_56533026-202202k.shtml

  20. Jane says:

    Martin Armstrong this a.m. has two great embedded videos of Danielle Smith, premier of Alberta, expressing her distaste of billionaires who boast about infiltrating governments (that was at the Harvard B-School; is “billionaires who boast” a meme?).

    The vids are here:
    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/alberta-premier-danielle-smith-fighting-back-against-wef/

    Armstrong writes:
    This is big news. Alberta’s new Premier Danielle Smith is the first government leader to apologize for vaccine mandates. Taking it a step further, she directly criticizes the World Economic Forum (WEF) and Schwab; she has “no interest in being involved with them.” During her first day in office, Smith immediately apologized for the vaccine mandates. She is offering to rehire any government worker who lost their job due to their vaccine status.

    “We are not QR codes,” Smith once said, adding that she wants to “purge” Canada’s QR database. She called out Alberta Health Services (AHS) for creating problems by colluding with the WEF. “They signed some kind of partnership with the World Economic Forum right in the middle of the pandemic; we’ve gotta [sic] address that. Why in the world do we have anything to do with the World Economic Forum? That’s got to end,” Smith said. Great question, Danielle.
    She plans to look into amnesty for outstanding COVID-related fines. “The system, my friends, is broken,” she said. “Most of those managing AHS today are holdovers from the NDP years. They have had their chance to fix this bloated system and they have largely failed on almost all accounts. Failure is no longer an option.”

    Remember when Schwab boasted about infiltrating world governments with various Young Global Leaders, such as Trudeau? She publicly said that it is “distasteful” and “offensive” when billionaires brag about how much control they have over governments. Yes, this is a direct shot at Schwab. She is the first government leader to openly question why we have allowed the WEF to infiltrate governments and control policies. We need more leaders like Danielle Smith who are willing to acknowledge the growing power that Schwab and his minions have in shaping the global society. Better yet, we should question why they were handed power in the first place.

    • Xabier says:

      I saw a stat to the effect that ‘SADS’ in Alberta ran at about 500 per annum pre-Vaxx, and so far this year stand at over 3,000.

      Like so many acknowledged and truly comparatively rare conditions that have for some reason just shot up recently……

    • This is great.

      Alberta’s new Premier Danielle Smith is the first government leader to apologize for vaccine mandates. Taking it a step further, she directly criticizes the World Economic Forum (WEF) and Schwab; she has “no interest in being involved with them.”

      We live in a world dominated by oligarchs, but people don’t realize this. Raising interest rates now tends to push up the funds that go to banks, especially, but also to oligarchs in the US. When the oligarchs get more, the rest of society gets less.

      People have great faith that government programs are in our best interests. In fact, they may be primarily in the best interests of the oligarchs funding them.

      • Xabier says:

        The oligarchs can play whatever games they like, but, as the Bible reminds us, they will – and soon enough – have perfectly equal shares in death with the poorest slaves in mines or factories.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          True.

          Most people struggle to understand how a multi billionaire… or a top politician .. or an Elder… could lose their power… their security teams…. but then most people cannot fathom what total collapse of BAU looks like

          BTW – I was out with a group of M Fast’s work mates who were in town a couple of weeks ago – we took them to a restaurant and chatting with the manager asked who they’ve had through in terms of celebrities (other than Fast)… he mentioned kirsten dunce and bezos…

          I asked if bezos had a food tester — no he said — and we wondered out loud how easy it would have been to poison him… and his tip for his group .. a whopping $20!

    • Vern Baker says:

      Alberta has suddenly become a land of liberty. I will be driving there, and looking for property next week. Smith shines a light on the reprehensibility of all other government and their presumed captors. In turn, her heroic acts help show the cowardice of her peers especially in near by provinces.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      She is playing a role… the WEF is not the power… Klaus is not the puppet master…

      It’s like that documentary on PBS – The Deep State – Hiding in Plain Sight.

      If they ran the show then they’d never allow such a thing… just like they don’t allow Mike Yeadon to appear on PBS…

      The Elders like to remain behind the curtain … they trot out the Deep State the WEF etc… and they take the heat.

      It’s a very effective strategy…

  21. el mar says:

    Gail, thank you for your outstanding article.

    Regarding resource wars and musical chairs:
    The dissipation-dependent, competing humans behave exactly as one should expect in a finite world.

    The outcom is predictable:

    “If something cannot go on orever it will stop!”

    Herbert Stein

    Saludos

    el mar

  22. Fast Eddy says:

    “Why are Europe’s gas prices falling?” – Ross Clark wonders in the Spectator whether the winter may yet turn out to be not as bad as feared – though Philip Pilkington in UnHerd still sees trouble ahead.

    https://unherd.com/thepost/is-there-a-bubble-in-the-european-gas-market/

    • Withnail says:

      The reason they are falling is because there is nowhere to store the LNG that is currently being regasified at terminals. The system is mostly built for continuous flows, not storage.

      • CTG says:

        I am not talking about politicians or “experts” but does anyone realize that if they use ships as floating storage for LNG, it is a super bad idea because (1) you still need energy to chill the gas, (2) Available ship for transportation is less and they still need to make a trip back to get new LNG,

        So, by taking up a lot of ships now, when they unload, they will have a big problem in terms of timing..

        • I agree. Storing LNG is an incredibly bad idea. It tends to use natural gas for chilling. It adds to the world’s methane emissions (contributing to climate change).

          The lack of ships, as you say, are a problem for future shipping. The profit earned for building ships becomes too loo for ship builders.

          • Rick says:

            For refrigeration yes, but almost nada to maintain state, just a few psi above atmospheric does the trick

      • I think that Europe has a double problem:

        (1) Nowhere nearly enough storage for winter, without the Russian inflow of pipeline natural gas, and

        (2) Nowhere nearly enough processing capability for the LNG that arrives (re-gasification, for example)

        Right now, in fall, heating and cooling needs are low. This means little natural gas is required for heating and cooling. This acts to reduce current demand.

      • MM says:

        The idea that the European leadership has no advice from engineers is pure nonsense.

        • Where do you get the idea that European leadership has no advice from engineers?

          They developed their system when there would be large continuous flows of natural gas from Russia (and a few other places) at a fairly low price.

          A shift to LNG is likely to lead to much higher natural gas prices. The there seems to be a need for more storage capacity as well, further adding to costs. But Europe is not in a financial position to pay for all of these things. Its poor financial position is likely a fairly large part of its problems.

    • Xabier says:

      Ross Clark was one of the top debaters here at the Union Soc. when I was a student, rather odd but entertaining. I can never take him quite seriously with that early image fixed in my mind. I wonder if he tried politics and failed?

      • One thing I have discovered is that scientists tend to think pretty narrowly. They don’t understand how the economics of the system works. They don’t understand the subtle meaning of incredibly low energy prices and gluts. They miss how the system is put together.

  23. Fast Eddy says:

    “Goldman Sachs’ Jeff Currie: ‘$3.8 Trillion of Investment in Renewables Moved Fossil Fuels from 82% to 81% of Overall Energy Consumption’ in 10 Years” – WUWT reports on the woeful difference trillions of dollars are making to the energy transition.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/10/25/goldman-sachs-jeff-currie-3-8-trillion-of-investment-in-renewables-moved-fossil-fuels-from-82-to-81-of-overall-energy-consumption-in-10-years/

    • D. Stevens says:

      The graph on the article shows until 2015. Fossil fuels were still growing at that time. I wonder if rebuildables will become a larger fraction of energy as fossil fuels plateau and go into decline. Will be difficult if overall energy is in decline and our system requires growth to function. Some sort of energy austerity program and a reset might help but unlikely.

      • Xabier says:

        Good news, peasants!

        You used to have a bowl of porridge everyday, but it was only a measly 20% of your nutrition.

        Today, we are pleased to announce that the half-bowl of GMO Gates Oats you get as rations is now a whole 100% of your daily nutritional input! And isn’t the innovative crunchy Bug Topping just great?!

        Things are getting better!

        • D. Stevens says:

          I enjoy a hearty bowl of GatesOats with two scoops of bugmeal protein to keep my skin supple and youthful but always in an unlit and unheated space because I’m doing my part for the greater good.

          • Xabier says:

            It brings tears to my eyes to read about such public spirited sacrifice for the Greater Good!

            An extra ration of Bug Topping is on its way to you for being such a model citizen!

            And a Premium seat booking in the Luxury Swiss suicide pod (use before expiry date, cannot be redeemed after expiry).

            Bill

    • At the top, this chart says, “In 1908, fossil fuels accounted for 85% of U.S. energy consumption. In 2015, more or less the same.”

      I agree that this is the case.

      The exact percentages in 2015 or 2022 or in any other year depend on which group is doing the measuring and which approach for accounting is used. Regardless of which approach is used, the renewable percentage hasn’t gone up much.

  24. Christopher says:

    Epileptic seizure? Sometimes they lead to rotation before collapse. My sister had two such seizures 20 years ago.

  25. Fast Eddy says:

    Here is more stooopidity …

    Health care workers should be able to see the injections are very dangerous – and they continue to be mandates for more injections …

    Also they are massively overworked because so many have walked away rejecting the jabs… and some are damaged.

    They go on strike for $$$ https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/hundreds-plunket-nurses-and-staff-strike

    But they won’t strike to stop the injections — hahahaha — if 20% of them walked out the govt would have to immediately end the mandates — otherwise the system falls to bits…

    Keep in mind these are the same animals who innovated their way to 8B fed on finite resources hahaha Don’t expect much from them

  26. Slowly at first says:

    As a university professor I am useless in a post-collapse world. What will I do with my detailed knowledge of electron paramagnetic resonance spectroscopy?

    • Jef Jelten says:

      SAF – You can come pull weeds at my small organic farm.

      Cheers! jef

    • Hubbs says:

      Which us why I tell my daughter who is a STEM major looking to become a physician assistant, that she should seriously consider a quiet parallel lifestyle of homesteading as a back up. (I even bought rolls of 1/4 inch wire cloth and stashed them in the shed for later use in construction of chicken coops, since this mesh is a critical component that may not be available later. What? Are you crazy you might ask? Yet a classic example of one of those things that one would never think about unless they were actually forced to have to fend for themselves. Growing vegetables alone as a strategy espoused by many of these SHTF gurus is woefully naïve, as a garden will not supply the calories you will need. Vitamins and trace minerals yes, but not calories. You’ll want plain old animal fats as well as protein. Chicken and eggs or even rabbits are a basic minimum.

      • drb753 says:

        Rabbits have no fats though.

        • Cromagnon says:

          Eat the entire rabbit

          • drb753 says:

            only the brains will have significant amounts of fat. I do eat lamb heads but rabbit heads are too hard to deal with.

            • banned says:

              I cant handle the rabbit scream when they get slaughtered. Id rather whack a deer and I cant handle that anymore either. In liu of that I should probably prepare myself for my up and coming cessation via starvation after the generic wheat cereal runs out. No long pork for me.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I am confident there will be Super Fent for everyone… I suggested that would be the end game 10 yrs ago … and I am as confident as ever.

              They’ll make us want to take it — by ensuring there is no hope — total despair … total misery…

              Cold – trapped in the dark – starving? Reach for the Super Fent. Pez-flavoured for the kids. And new Pet Super Fent. It’s a good solution. (this public service message is brought to you by the makers of Super Fent…)

            • Hopefully not! We really don’t know what is ahead. An awfully lot of strange coincidences have happened in the past and will happen again.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              When Global Holodomor arrives… and we are in total lockdown with dead bodies in the hospital parking lots… soldiers with shoot to kill orders on the streets… sirens going EEE AAAAWWW EEEAWWWWW and CNN blurting out the daily death counts…

              Pez Super Fent will hold a certain … allure….

              Can anyone think of any other reason why there would be candy coloured super fent with the word Pez on it floating around …. why would a dealer want something like this – he’d kill all his customers…

              The dealer is showing you his hand… cuz he knows nobody is gonna work out what he’s up to…

              But Fast Eddy .. well he sees you Mr Dealer…

              He sees what you are up to …

              And he approves… Yes indeed — he very much approves.

      • reante says:

        Root veg, especially starchy ones, are calorie -dense. And, little known fact, leafy greens can provide 20pc of calorie needs if you have a good microbiome because anaerobic bacteria in the upper colon eat the cellulose and shit out SCFAs, which are effectively high quality ‘animal-like’ fats, because bacteria are basically just tiny meatbags. (This is another reason ‘veganism’ doesn’t exist.) So a garden can provide the calories but it can’t provide the nutrient density for intergenerational high human performance.

        Chickens are omnivores like us and native tropical forest dwellers. Tropical forests are very rich in insects so to get the most out of the eggs they need to be fed animal proteins and fats. Most efficient way to do this without having livestock is to have a black soldier fly larvae operation. These larvae are also omnivores, so to get the most out of them in order to get the most out of the eggs and the most out of yourself, you need to feed them animal food.

        Optimal diet begins with perennial pastures. Ruminants are also omnivores. They live on protozoa protein/fat (little meatbags) and SCFAs.

        Rabbit muscle is low in fat but rabbit bone broth greatly increases the nutritional profile of rabbit. I ran rabbits in a field once. Totally doable. Only way to do it imo. Cages are fucked up. Harvested them by shooting them in the head with a .22.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        ya but Hubbs as a medical guy I envy you in that you surely have access to The Best Stuff… what about stashing a bottle of Midazolam and another of Fent… as a back up plan?

        For when the doomie prepping fails… or when the hordes are pounding on the door…

    • sciouscience says:

      phase shift to spore prints.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        There remains time to take a paramilitary course an learn how to kill farmers.

        I’d do the short courses on sniper skills… ambush tactics…

        Search the web to find one near you e.g. https://www.coffeeordie.com/10-courses-operate

        Check this out:

        My name is Johnny Primo. I am a former Green Beret for the US Army. During that time I did numerous deployments to Afghanistan, Pakistan and Africa amongst other places.

        I started Courses Of Action in 2016 with one mission, “Train people how to be the best versions of themselves in order to protect themselves and their loved ones.”

        With what I did in the military I learned that it’s often between your ears that matters most. The metal tenacity, no quit attitude. The determination to know that I will do whatever it takes so my team mates and I get home.

        I have a team of active duty Special Operations guys that I bring in from time to time to keep everything relevant. They come from Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Special Operations.

        https://www.courses-of-action.com/shop/training

        I’d contact him and tell him you want to prep to take out doomie preppers when the SHTF… what do you recommend.

        • Fast Eddy is only half pulling our leg.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            No no … I am not leg pulling .. not even a quarter…

            I highly recommend the military training … I seriously think it’s a great idea… I’d also take the course on how to survive in the bush… at some point you run out of doomie preppers to kill and pillage… then what????

            You need to have bush skills – you need to know which plants you can eat… how to trap animals… all that stuff…

            If I was 25 yrs old I’d definitely be signing up for multiple modules…

            Maybe they have one on how to survive the stuff that comes out of the ponds?

    • I think an awfully lot of people will be facing this issue. Without electricity on a regular basis, many of today’s jobs will disappear. People who are now living on pensions may suddenly discover these will disappear. They will need some way to support themselves, even though they have been out of the job market for many years.

      In theory, jobs (like ditch digging) before fossil fuels with reappear, but how many people will want to take them?

      Dmitry Orlov has made the point that recycling materials from buildings that are no longer in use will suddenly become a big business. I suppose local subsistence agriculture may also become more popular. The selling of “protection” by young men will likely become another popular occupation.

  27. Fast Eddy says:

    Ex-Defense Secretary Ashton Carter Dies After ‘Sudden Cardiac Event’; now tell us if he got the fraud ineffective harmful COVID mRNA vaccine & if you are doing an autopsy to see effects of spike

    https://palexander.substack.com/p/ex-defense-secretary-ashton-carter

    Sucka!

  28. Fast Eddy says:

    German Energy Apocalypse Update VII

    Looks a bit terrible…

    https://www.eugyppius.com/p/german-energy-apocalypse-update-vii

    • Lastcall says:

      Too funny…temperature gauges can be/ are sexist.

      ‘Finally, Business Insider has discovered that the real victims of the gas crisis won’t be young children in fragile health or elderly pensioners on fixed incomes, but female professionals. Ordinances requiring offices to set thermostats at 19C, according to some garbage study, will cognitively disadvantage women, while (even worse) advantaging men, who bizarrely are alleged to perform their best at this precise temperature. Happily, though, Tagesschau has consulted Dr. Georg Ertl from the University Hospital at Würzburg, who believes this unfortunate sexism, brought upon us by the furtherance of liberal democracy, can be countered by … caps and stockings.’

    • Xabier says:

      The shortages of chemicals for water purification mentioned by Eugyp are of great concern: that’s when we’ll see real epidemics and mass deaths. Water purification makes our cities viable. Now, if there also isn’t enough energy to boil water before use…..

      • reante says:

        Water purification is the Animal Farm marketing term. In truth it’s antibiotics in the water.

    • I like this quote:

      So, if we put all of our grain into power production, we have the prospect not only of freezing to death, but of starving to death too. I’m glad state media are investigating this promising angle.

      They were talking about biogas from grain, but any use of food for energy leads to a similar result.

  29. Adonis says:

    https://unherd.com/thepost/greta-thunberg-kills-off-the-anti-nuclear-campaign/ this is an interesting development the elders are promoting nuclear instead of renewables perhaps that is the real reason that russia stopped the gas flows to Europe .

  30. Slowly at first says:

    Driving to church, driving to IHOP, driving to Walmart, driving to Rite Aid,…

  31. hillcountry says:

    Gail – I heard that a large construction project in Tennessee will be twiddling its thumbs because a planned concrete-pour is on hold due to the concrete supplier being denied access to water from the Mississippi River, which is doing a bit of a Lake Mead lately. Mother Nature takes another bite out of the best laid plans.

    • It is pretty dry here in the Atlanta area, right now, also. I understand that it is pretty dry over a wide area, leading to the Mississippi River being so low.

      By the way, I have run into the concrete shortage issue, at least to a little extent, myself. I don’t think the issue was water, however. I think in my case, it was the concrete itself. A sewer pipe leading from our house, going under our concrete driveway, broke several weeks ago. Plumbers repaired the pipe, but could only rather crudely patch the driveway after they dug a 10 feet by 10 feet hole. Two different companies I talked to about getting the driveway fixed properly told me about the concrete shortage. No one wanted to deal with a very small customer. I agreed to get a bigger area replaced, and now the replacement is on the schedule for next week. I had been told that the supply was being rationed, and small customers (like me) were pretty much at the end of the line.

      • Sam says:

        What about build back better?😢. Any way isn’t the infrastructure money just now kicking into full swing. Lots of money for roads and bridges. Lots and lots of concrete. I believe that there is a race to replace sand but I don’t think they have found anything yet

        • Withnail says:

          Money increasingly doesn’t translate into real things. Concrete and steel are about as real as it gets in the 20th and 21st centuries.

      • JesseJames says:

        I have had no problem buying 60 or 80 lb bags of concrete here in Alabama. Lots available.

        • It is the big truckloads of concrete that are a problem. They are what can be used to produce a nice, smooth finish. The amount I needed was just a small fraction of a truckload. The company I decided to use is fairly big. I think that they eventually were able to put my request with others in the area to make up the full truckload of concrete.

  32. Jane says:

    Here is some good news (it was linked to some Twitter feed that was linked to something else; I don’t tune in to Fox myself!)

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-supreme-court-reinstates-all-employees-fired-being-unvaccinated-orders-backpay?intcmp=tw_fnc

    • With back pay, no less! We need other places to do the same thing.

    • Rodster says:

      That’s going to turn into a nasty problem for those municipalities. Now they have to come up with all that money and those workers aren’t low wage workers. Expect bailouts form the Washington.

      Oh wait, they sent that money to Ukraine so they can fight the evil Ruskies.

    • Student says:

      I always thought that if anything was going to change it would be from the U.S.
      I hope other U.S. States will follow.
      As a citizen it is something that can be considered (not liked) that it could happen to you to die for a wrong war.
      I mean from historical point of view it is something that has always happened and I’m afraid it could happen again.
      But, as a citizen of a ‘so-called’ democratic Country (even if fake), you cannot accept to die because your government inject an experimental poison inside your body.
      If western society want to recover some credibility they have to accept some restorative justice on this issue that can even hurt command structures themselves.

      • Xabier says:

        There are still vestiges of state and judicial independence, rooted in the Constitution and English common law principles, which are largely lacking in Western Europe.

        Unfortunately, the judiciary here in England are completely under the thumb of government, and won’t ‘rock the boat.’

        So, in the US we see the FDA forced to pass over the Pfizer trial docs; but here it was deemed to be ‘not in the national interest’.

        Similarly, child deaths from the vaxx have been covered up by compliant judges and government lawyers, may they rot in Hell.

  33. Student says:

    (RTL Nieuws – Dutch newspaper)

    “State Secret.
    What if the euro falls? House of Representatives can view contingency plans
    Within a few weeks, the House of Representatives will be able to see what secret scenarios are ready at the Ministry of Finance in case of an emergency situation around the euro. Some parliamentarians have insisted on this now that the economic situation has become very uncertain.
    Finance Minister Sigrid Kaag promises in a letter that the House could take a look at plans that were made during or after the previous major crisis in the EU. In 2014, then Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem admitted that emergency scenarios had been created that would come into effect if the euro failed.
    The consequences of this are difficult to predict. If the euro loses (almost) all of its value, you simply cannot buy anything with it anymore. Companies can no longer get credit, importing is completely impossible, and banks collapse.
    To prevent this from happening, there would even be plans to reintroduce their own currency if necessary, the Dutch Guilder (or Florin) 2.0.”

    https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/economie/artikel/5341175/tweede-kamer-noodplannen-euro-val-dijsselbloem-kaag

    • Lastcall says:

      “State Secret.
      What if the euro falls? House of Representatives can view contingency plans
      Within a few weeks, the House of Representatives will be able to see what secret scenarios are ready at the Ministry of Finance in case of an emergency situation around the euro….’

      Its not if, but when.
      A straw house built on sand below the high tide line.
      Hopium Architects!

      • I am afraid you are right. The Swiss Franc is in as bad shape as the Euro, I am afraid. And going back to earlier currencies will lead to many different currencies, each with very little value. Debt and Letters of Credit (needed for international trade) will be disrupted. It will become much more difficult to secure goods through International trade.

    • Lastcall says:

      BAU; Ardern flying to Antarctica to celebrate Scott Base which involves, amongst other things, the study of shrinking glaciers.
      They are building a new, bigger base, so more morons can fly down and continue the narrative.
      Labour supporters are so Green that they can’t see the idiocy and will vote for this frequent flyer next election.

    • Lastcall says:

      It would appear that the narrative being promoted about Russia losing ground is to set the stage for a Ukie Nukie.
      This is a similar situation to Iraq where chemicl weapons were blamed on Assad, but likely used by the failing insurgents, in situations where Assad was clearly ascendant.

    • Lastcall says:

      Oops, Assad, and Syia..

  34. banned says:

    Here is Scott Ritter once again. I continue to link these videos as each one presents completely new information not rehash a tired theme. I continue to be impressed with Mr Ritters in depth knowledge of our situation in regard to the possibility of strategic nuclear exchange. His opinion is one that comes from a lifetime of being deeply involved with the policies and treaties regarding strategic nuclear weapons. I appreciate very much how he answers each question from a basis of history and his personal experience in a manner that clearly demonstrates familiarity and competence. I also appreciate how he understands that most military personnel desire the best for the USA and the families that live here. I know many people do not like this topic. Understanding that a strategic nuclear exchange is many times more possible now than any time in our history presents difficulties as we go about pursuing our short and long term goals so many prefer not to understand. Others regard the “fear” of the understanding as just another control tool. I think understanding the history of where we were and were we are is important in my belief that this is real not a contrived control tool. If anything I think that observed actions clearly demonstrate a desire for a strategic nuclear exchange for whatever reason.

    Topics discussed;
    USA and Russian nuclear use policy
    Past presidents dismay at the situation as compared to current presidents
    Close calls- how they have happened and their relationship to our current situation
    Diplomatic messaging in concert with actions past examples compared to current.

    IMO this is the single most important issue today for any human on this planet. That its not on the radar of the midterm elections seems profoundly dysfunctional to me. I would vote for any politician regardless of party that expressed that avoiding a nuclear war just like politicians have done in the past is clearly the only sane course of action. Action being the key here- not just vague virtue signalling.

    Our precarious situation disregards safety. We have a extreme risk to our safety but it is a non topic. I have a small education about industrial safety practices. One of the most important rules is when a “near miss” a incident that had the potential to cause harm but did not occurs you must act to make sure those circumstances do not occur again. This principle seems to me to be not only violated but denigrated by the actions we witness. What is at stake is the health and welfare of every human on the planet.

    I know Gail often speaks of things outside our control. Whatever this force may be just because it exists does not mean it can be influenced. My belief is that by aligning and respecting powerful forces and principles one can sometimes create desirable outcomes. Letting a two year old fly a airplane fly a airplane has rather easy to forecast outcome that is not desirable. It is preventable. Our energy situation is somewhat beyond our control to create desirable outcomes. Nuclear weapons are a creation of humans. They are within our control and the suffering and consequences of a strategic nuclear exchange are no more hard to forecast than a two year old at the controls of a jet Yet the common people seem unable to address this on either a personal level or in the representatives they elect. I find this failure of our actions to try to avoid a quite horrible outcome to be quite troubling. IMO it constitutes what Korzybski would call “unsanity”. Understanding the situation does not seem to have any effect on our path much as the growing understanding of what the substances being injected actually are seems not to effect our path. Perhaps from that viewpoint it is better not to know. I have many quite intelligent individuals tell me that all the time “better not to know”. I would say they disagree with Korzybski.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/YienKE3izA9k/

    • Hubbs says:

      Is it better not know or to accept the reality that there really is little we as individuals can do?

      The complexities of our economies and technical advancements result in more specialization. In earlier times people of the 19th century were generalists. They had to be self-sufficient and therefore had a broader array of skills to provide for their daily living. Superspecialization which creates ever increasing centralization has arrived. It is like farm seed. Today’s GMO seeds are specialized but also require fertilizer, pesticides, and herbicides, whereas traditional heirloom seeds although not yielding as bountiful harvests as the GMO seeds, at least were more resilient.

      Going from hunter-gatherer to farming allowed specialization and trade, which required true money as a medium of exchange and store of value for purchase of new products and services introduced through specialization.

      The super specialization of modern times, with international commerce and trade requires even more “refinements” of money for intermediate exchange of goods and services- especially the internet and bank wiring of funds.

      The back side of this monetary system has allowed non-productive people (politicians) to infiltrate and successfully parasitize off the system. All the food, shelter, transportation and other goods and services have been provided for them by the working productive people who are too busy to realize they are being fleeced and controlled- until it is too late.

      These politicians exploited the degradation of the monetary system, through creation of fiat currencies which result in a debt-based society, and thus the ability of politicians to pay for, through debt, the promises they make that insure their reelection. By establishing themselves in office, they become magnets for influence money by big corporations and bankers. In a quid pro quo, bribes result in favorable laws and tax breaks for banks and corporations. Wars can be funded to assert even more control.
      People become enslaved by debt.
      These two classes of parasites, bankers and politicians, have discovered their rewards are enhanced if they unite into a fascist state: a duopoly of corporate/banker and political control.
      As I have posted before, the three axioms of government are:
      1) it always gets bigger as it centralizes and consolidates control.
      2) There is never enough money to feed the beast.
      3.) Government will do whatever it takes to get more money.
      The problem with government and why it is doomed from the start is that exactly the wrong people gain entry: narcissistic sociopaths.
      It doesn’t matter whether we have a “democracy” of mob rule where two wolves and a sheep decide what’s for dinner, a Republic, a Monarchy, socialism, etc. In the end they all converge into an oligopoly. Todays politicians and oligarchs, through legacy control of media, money, elections, and legal systems as George Carlin said, “will get it all.”

      The specialization of our civilization has enabled centralization and control to unimaginable levels, mostly though the internet and fractional reserve fiat debt based financial system.
      We thus have lost the essential checks and balances. In short, we have nothing to work with. We now have
      1.) A corrupt financial system with central banks and fiat currency
      2.) A corrupt information/media system oligopoly. COVID and climate change scams, “preserve our democracy” BS, etc.
      3.) A corrupt electoral system underpinned by corrupt money
      4.) A corrupt legal system where there is no rule of law

      We therefore have nothing to work with as we stare down the double barrel of this Minsky moment of debt saturation and resource depletion, i.e., scarcity of affordable water, food, energy required to feed this endless quest for “continued economic growth” espoused by the politicians.
      There are no realistic political, legal, constitutional, or technical remedies to address the situation. Population control or lower standards of living, starting with less waste, are taboo topics.
      Superspecialization has led to super dependency which has led to super control.

      There is no one coming to save you. From a passage in a book written by one of the alums from my college who was visiting orphanages in Russia, she described the grim reality: The babies just lie in their cribs staring up at the ceiling blankly. They do not cry for attention or comfort. It is pointless. They know that no one will be coming to pick them up no matter how loud or long they cry.

      • No different from the condition of orphanages at St. Petersburg around 1890 where the survival rate was 1 out of 20 or so..

        The Russians, living in a harsh climate, have developed a very malthusian attitude – those who are not going to survive are not worth saving so they just let hapless souls die.

        The eugenists , the mathusians and the racists, I have to say, were more correct than everyone else who came during the time of abundance.

      • It would be helpful if things weren’t really this bad, but you may well be right.

        Russia looks like it is about to win the Ukraine conflict. This will make NATO look bad. This, by itself, could push the US toward war–perhaps accidental war brought on by the naval exercises.

        • Sam says:

          I am not sure if Russia is about to “win” this war….no more than saying the Americans won the Vietnam war. Russia has paid a heavy price so far.

        • Lidia17 says:

          Biden spills the beans? Not very encouraging.

          ““Let me just say: Russia would be making an incredible, serious mistake if it were to use a tactical nuclear weapon,” Biden said. “I’m not guaranteeing that it’s a false flag operation yet. Don’t know, but it would be a serious mistake, a very serious mistake.”
          https://nypost.com/2022/10/25/false-flag-ukraine-nuke-a-serious-mistake-for-russia-biden/

          • Xabier says:

            It was a stroke of genius putting a senile old man steeped in corruption in the office of President.

            I see his wife, just as vile, is prepping people regarding the ‘cancer wave caused by ‘Covid’.

            Charming couple!

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I’ve noticed on http://www.scmp.com that there are regular home page articles about dealing with various types of cancer…

              I don’t wonder why. It’s all so obvious when you understand the purpose of the MSM.

    • What Scott Ritter is saying is disturbing. The US and Russia are now both doing exercises simulating that they are attacking the other side. Russia’s approach to using nuclear weapons seems to be much more reserved than the US’s. The US believes that it can win a nuclear war, and it is OK to start a nuclear war, if it can gain an advantage by doing so. Russia will only respond if attacked first (It is a bit more nuanced than this.)

      If anyone makes a mistake in these exercises, Ritter believes that this could turn into a real nuclear war. (A similar problem actually took place back when Ronald Reagan was president.)

      • Jane says:

        Yes, Russia’s position is way more conservative.

        And some sage analyst, a few months ago–maybe it was Ritter—parsed the nuclear stance of the two superpowers and concluded that the problem with the US side is that is projects its own nuclear stance, the conditions under which it would push the button, onto Russia.

        Biden is, metaphorically, walking down Earth’s Main Street drunk and waving about in the air an AK-47. Apparently there is no police force out there to bring this dangerous threat under control.

        Putin is merely a playground monitor in an unruly school on Main Street.

        • Jef Jelten says:

          Another unspoken factor is that so many people don’t give a damn if it happens and in fact secretly wish it would.

        • reante says:

          A nuclear crisis is required in order for the elders to never let that crisis go to waste, in order for a new global nuclear framework for both weapons and power to be implemented. Thus the coming crisis will be a twofer, implicating both weapons and the power industry. The global nuclear framework for collapse obviously cannot be the same framework as what it was for growth. Common Sense 101.

          We are dealing with a highly rational elite. But cold-blooded. We can know this because we couldn’t have come this far without one. Hence the irrational theatrics from the front corps called the ‘western elite,’ because misdirection/deception is the first art of war — the permanent war being the farming of people on the People Farm.

    • Herbie Ficklestein says:

      I attended a meeting hosted by Scott Ritter discussing the weapons of mass destruction false charge against Iraq…
      Turns out he was right….sounds as if he us right again.
      Thanks for the interview

  35. CNBC has an article up called U.S.-listed Chinese stocks drop 15% after Beijing’s power reshuffle makes the market ‘uninvestable’

    Shares of Chinese companies listed in the U.S. dropped sharply Monday after Beijing tightened President Xi Jinping’s grip on power, souring investor sentiment for non-state-driven companies.

    The Invesco Golden Dragon China ETF, which tracks the Nasdaq Goldman Dragon China Index, plunged 14.5% to hit its lowest level since 2009. The ETF slumped more than 20% at one point Monday. The index holds 65 companies whose common stocks are publicly traded in the U.S. and the majority of whose business is conducted within the People’s Republic of China.
    . . .

    The moves come after Xi paved the way for an unprecedented third term as leader and packed the Politburo standing committee, the core circle of power in the ruling Communist Party of China, with loyalists.

    The WSJ has an article about the shift in power, away from the more moderate members. https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-new-guard-bodes-change-for-beijings-interaction-with-the-west-11666651217
    China’s New Guard Bodes Change for Beijing’s Interaction With the West

    Pro-market pragmatists are gone as Xi Jinping picks apparatchiks known for their loyalty

    The changing of the guard in China will likely alter how Beijing interacts with the rest of the world, especially the West.

    Gone from the new leadership are the pro-market pragmatists who for decades helped pilot the country’s integration into the global economy. Instead, Xi Jinping is starting his third term in power with a slate of senior Communist Party apparatchiks known for their loyalty to the supreme leader.

    . . .

    The gathering economic gloom earlier this year had created an opening for Mr. Xi’s No. 2, the outgoing Premier Li Keqiang, who helped roll back some of Mr. Xi’s initiatives including a near-blanket crackdown on private technology firms. According to people close to decision-making, Mr. Li had been trying to influence the decision on who would succeed him. The lineup unveiled on Sunday indicates he failed.

    Both candidates the people said Mr. Li backed—Wang Yang, a moderate seen as one of the few remaining torch bearers of Deng’s “reform and opening” policy, and Hu Chunhua, a vice premier in charge of trade and foreign investment—were shut out of the new lineup of the Politburo, the senior leadership.

    Instead, Mr. Xi’s desired candidate, Shanghai party secretary Li Qiang, is going to get the job.

    • banned says:

      A decade ago every stock advisor was touting China investment as a sure fire 10 banger. I wonder how many people they ruined?

    • Xi’s no.2 guy, Li Qiang, is known for one thing – leading the Shanghai lockdown earlier this year.

      Expect more and more lockdowns in China.

    • moss says:

      The past week’s China news has been dominated by Hu being humiliatingly dragged out like that from the Party congress. I asked an informed Chinese friend as to what had happened and he said the scuttlebut doing the rounds was that it was either dementia or to serve as an example for the others. He personally inclined towards the latter. As political spectacle I thought it was the best staging since Yeltsin’s retirement on the hour of 2YK

      More interesting perhaps was the EU foreign ministers’ meeting Monday last week to discuss China. All chorus from the blinking playbook. Discussions were guided by a context paper which advised that
      “EU leaders to stand up to Beijing’s efforts to ‘systematically promote an alternative world order’ in which human rights are secondary to national sovereignty.”
      Corporations have human rights, too, don’t they?
      Further,
      “The EU should pursue closer collaboration with Washington and other ‘like-minded partners’ on issues such as supply chain resilience and cybersecurity, the EEAS said.
      “But it should also step up its engagement with countries within China’s sphere of influence to prevent Beijing’s dominance of multilateral forums like the United Nations, the document said.”
      https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3196304/china-competition-eclipses-all-other-eu-relations-beijing-top-diplomat
      In what alternative planet are these creatures’ realities in harmony?

    • moss says:

      The past week’s China news has been dominated by Hu being humiliatingly dragged out like that from the Party congress. I asked an informed Chinese friend as to what had happened and he said the scuttlebut doing the rounds was that it was either dementia or to serve as an example for the others. He personally inclined towards the latter. As political spectacle I thought it was the best staging since Yeltsin’s retirement on the hour of 2YK

      More interesting perhaps was the EU foreign ministers’ meeting Monday last week to discuss China. All chorus from the blinking playbook. Discussions were guided by a context paper which advised that
      “EU leaders to stand up to Beijing’s efforts to ‘systematically promote an alternative world order’ in which human rights are secondary to national sovereignty.”
      Corporations have human rights, too, don’t they?
      Further,
      “The EU should pursue closer collaboration with Washington and other ‘like-minded partners’ on issues such as supply chain resilience and cybersecurity, the EEAS said.
      “But it should also step up its engagement with countries within China’s sphere of influence to prevent Beijing’s dominance of multilateral forums like the United Nations, the document said.”
      https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3196304/china-competition-eclipses-all-other-eu-relations-beijing-top-diplomat
      In what alternative planet are these creatures’ realities in harmony?

      still learning about posting here (moran alert) so if this is a duplicate, pls delete. My apologies

      • Fast Eddy says:

        More evidence of two parallel worlds…

        Those in The Club get to see the real world… we are provided with theatre…

        We have no way of knowing what is really going on in that other world.

        BTW – Biden is faking the dementia — remember how George Bush pretended he was a cowboy? Everything is theatre.

  36. Rodster says:

    Here’s another wake up call for all those that think they are saving the Planet. I knew this as I spoke to several owners of recycling companies. They said that at least 95% of all the stuff they take in goes straight to the landfills.

    “380 million tons of plastic are made every year. None of it is truly recyclable.
    Not even water bottles and milk jugs meet standards for recyclability, a new report finds.”

    https://grist.org/accountability/380-million-tons-of-plastic-are-made-every-year-none-of-it-is-truly-recyclable/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

    • Peter Cassidy says:

      Mixed plastic waste could be cracked using hydrogen to produce synthetic diesel. The amount of electrolytic hydrogen needed to crack long polymer chains down to C10H22 would be relatively small. Long chain hydrocarbons are already cracked in refineries.

      • Withnail says:

        If it was so easy that would already be happening. I dont think you can make diesel out of plastics.

      • to produce hydrogen requires 1.5x energy input relative to energy output
        then hydrogen is used to beak down plastics, to remake diesel

        i don’t know much about it but that seem a lose-lose equation

        • banned says:

          Very true Norman! The question is if a energy source is available were that loss doesnt matter. Photovoltaic or “power satellites” have been proposed. IMO its more than clear once you add the energy cost of the infrastructure maintenance and operating hydrogen becomes a energy sink not source. Using hydrogen to create liquid hydrogen based fuels eliminates some of that infrastructure energy cost but its still a non starter in my opinion.

      • Peter Cassidy says:

        It looks like this has been extensively researched.
        https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358222323_Oil_Production_by_Pyrolysis_of_Real_Plastic_Waste

        From a brief review, polyethylene can be cracked quite easily. But thermosets are more difficult. Some amount of pre-sorting would be required, which brings us back to the same problem that makes recycling difficult. Sorting plastic waste is labour intensive.

        • Withnail says:

          How much diesel did they manage to produce per hour using their method?

          Or did they not actually produce any diesel in real life?

          • Withnail says:

            Ok I checked the summary. Looks like a pretty energy intensive and complex process. They have to heat the plastics to over 450 centigrade for over an hour. in the absence of oxygen presumably. Then there’s the production, transport and storage of the hydrogen to consider.

            And this is just one research paper. Maybe there are possible problems that they didnt come across.

      • Peter Cassidy says:

        A similar idea using biomass as feedstock.
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrolysis_oil

        Bio-oil is heavily oxygenated, making it viscous and corrosive. To produce synthetic diesel, it must be upgraded using hydrogen to remove the oxygen.

        • Withnail says:

          This is old hat. Very old hat. I remember all this from 2004 on a peak oil website. You seem to be recycling a lot of old ideas.

          • Jef Jelten says:

            Agree Withnail – all of peters “exciting” proposals and solutions are ones we hashed over and over in TOD.

            Peter – There is only one thing left we can do and that is ….LESS! It will happen whether we innitiate it as a society or it will happen when Mother Nature smacks our collective bottoms and sends us to our room without any supper.

            • Unfortunately, the less has to be at least partly, “fewer humans.”

              If we need 2000 calories per person, on average, we cannot get along with a substantially smaller amount, say, 1000 calories per person. We can perhaps get along with less meat. And we can get along with less government and less international trade and fewer pension plans.

              The question is whether supply lines and financial systems can stay together well enough to make to make a world that “works” well enough on substantially less energy per capita.

            • Withnail says:

              As Gail says, we can’t really have an ‘eat less food then you need to survive’ initiative.

              Or a ‘freeze to death in winter’ initiative.

        • banned says:

          https://energycentral.com/c/ec/dollar-gallon-gasoline

          Keiths ghost shows up for halloween.

          • This is an article from 2014. It is “our” Keith.

            • but if $1 gasoline was produced, there would still be the problem of what to do with it.

              yes, we had cheap oil for 150 years or so, but we used that oil to make ‘things’ which we traded with each other. (that produced wages)

              It was that ability to exchange energy based products that delivered and maintained our current version of civilisation. Not so much oil per se.. Wealth isn’t produced by selling oil to each other as an end in itself.

              Infinite supplies of $1 gas doesn’t give us infinite supply of anything else, because of that, commercial trade would cease.
              When that happens the value of oil drops to effectively zero. (no way of using it)

              He goes on about making transport dirt cheap to run–nothing about making cars etc

              I used to try to explain that to Keith when he was a regular on OFW. It didnt/wouldn’t register.

              I don’t doubt his intellect–neither can I ignore his blinkers.

            • Clearly oil is used for more than gasoline. It is the whole portfolio of oil uses that we need to replace.

          • Peter Cassidy says:

            Satellite solar power recieved serious development in the 1970s. At the time, it was anticipated that the Space Shuttle would reduce launch costs by at least an order of magnitude over the Saturn V. That turned out not to be the case. Fast forward 45 years, and Elon Musk’s Starship looks set to do what the shuttle never did: make space launch dramatically cheaper.

            SSP is technically achievable. But to be economically competitive, it must be manufactured from materials that are already outside of Earth’s gravity well. That means mining the moon. The moon has no atmosphere and only 1.2% of Earth’s mass. So mining the moon and launching lunar materials into space is far easier energetically than launching the same material from Earth.

            But setting up a mining base on the moon and manufacturing facilities in Earth orbit would be hugely expensive. This would only work if the entity involved could capture a large chunk of Earth’s energy market. But it could be done.

            • banned says:

              There is not a single technology that was developed without intensive fossil fuel consumption or can continue to exist without intensive fossil fuel consumption. Complexity is the problem not the solution. Hopium for sale two bits. Placing words together in a way that that is commonly admired and uses common denominators of power does not create energy. Words are only representations of the physical world not the physical world itself. 99.99% of the value of things is in the implementation. If understanding has value or lack of it that will manifest in the implementation or lack of it. Unfortunately there are zero BTUs in words or hopium.

            • banned
              you are obviously in the business of ruination of dreams

            • banned says:

              “banned
              you are obviously in the business of ruination of dreams”

              Norman;
              Your succinct summary has been shared by many others when I let my inner child out in public in the past. Now keep that inner child locked away except for brief excursions at OFW. So far Gail has not boxed my ears although Im sure she has considered it more than once. I exist like a tabla rosa with no energy opinion in public and have actually learned to enjoy it. Every time I feel compelled to express a opinion on a energy issue I remind myself of some dirt that needs to be moved or some boards in need of nails and get to it. It beats being a mean old dream ruiner.

            • Withnail says:

              Fast forward 45 years, and Elon Musk’s Starship looks set to do what the shuttle never did: make space launch dramatically cheaper.

              Sure it does.

      • banned says:

        Keith is that you?

      • Sure, and we could have been terraforming Jupiter’s moons by now too

      • Herbie Ficklestein says:

        Pete , the Plastic Sector well knew that recycling was not feasible at all, but promoted the idea to get a pass to make the product.

        How Big Oil Misled The Public Into Believing Plastic Would Be Recycled
        September 11, 20205:00 AM ET
        Heard on Morning Edition
        Laura Sullivan – 2015
        LAURA SULLIVAN

        NPR and PBS Frontline spent months digging into internal industry documents and interviewing top former officials. We found that the industry sold the public on an idea it knew wouldn’t work — that the majority of plastic could be, and would be, recycled — all while making billions of dollars selling the world new plastic.

        The industry’s awareness that recycling wouldn’t keep plastic out of landfills and the environment dates to the program’s earliest days, we found. “There is serious doubt that [recycling plastic] can ever be made viable on an economic basis,” one industry insider wrote in a 1974 speech.

        Yet the industry spent millions telling people to recycle, because, as one former top industry insider told NPR, selling recycling sold plastic, even if it wasn’t true.

        “If the public thinks that recycling is working, then they are not going to be as concerned about the environment,” Larry Thomas, former president of the Society of the Plastics Industry, known today as the Plastics Industry Association and one of the industry’s most powerful trade groups in Washington, D.C., told NPR.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Hahaha… ya I spoke to the Plastics Alliance or whatever they are called here in NZ and he told me next to none of it gets recycled.

      That’s why I frequently toss plastic into the Rayburn… at least I can get some heating value from it…

      Who gives a f789 about the toxins… they blow to the neighbours… f789 them too

    • JesseJames says:

      My son recently visited Denmark. One comment he made was how after a night of partying, all the refuse in the street was promptly cleaned up the next day and recycled. LOL That waste was taken straight to the dump. No European in his right mind would work at a lowly job of sorting recycled trash material.
      My son is still in day dream mode. I try to wake him up but reality has to set in.

      • Actually, in quite a bit of Europe, the trash is burned and at least some of the burned trash is used to support the electric grid. The IEA counts this as a type of non-fossil fuel energy, but the trash would not exist in the first place without fossil fuels. It could not be transported to the place where it is burned, either, and the electricity transmission lines could not be built and maintained without fossil fuels.

        • MM says:

          @Slowly at first
          Here you have it first hand from Gail and FE:
          Try to become a rayburn engineer?

  37. Student says:

    (Voxnews + Reuters)

    ”Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Vereshchuk urged Ukrainian refugees not to return to the country this winter, so as not to increase the load on the power grid: “If there is an opportunity, for now stay and winter abroad”

    The action could be also useful in case of use of the so called ‘dirty bomb’, because civilian casualties would be less… (but that has not been said by anybody)

    https://voxnews.info/2022/10/25/kiev-invita-duecentomila-ucraini-a-passare-linverno-in-italia/

    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1584879661645172736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1584879661645172736%7Ctwgr%5Ec1918a065508e397f6915db16207e9030912e3ff%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvoxnews.info%2F2022%2F10%2F25%2Fkiev-invita-duecentomila-ucraini-a-passare-linverno-in-italia%2F

    https://jp.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-idAFKBN2RJ1S4

    • Also, you might find your surroundings cold, if you visit the Ukraine this winter. You might prefer staying someplace warmer.

      • Wet My Beak says:

        The Riviera is always nice at this time of year.

        • David says:

          Rich Victorians used to leave the UK late in the year and spend the winter on the Cote d’Azur. It’s not dramatically warmer than the English south coast but it’s far sunnier.

          Fast Eddy might like to note that ironically glass is now being considered as a replacement for plastics. Super-strong forms have been developed. Comment by one of Nate Hagens’ interviewees, Great Simplification website.

          Back to returnable glass bottles? We had them until the 1970s. France still has them … for wine anyway.

  38. Sam says:

    Why are gas prices plunging in Europe???

    • No capacity to receive more LNG. Partly natural gas storage facilities, to the extent they exist, are mostly filled. Another issue, re-gasification capacity, was raised by CNBC yesterday:

      https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/24/wave-of-lng-tankers-overwhelms-europe-and-hits-natural-gas-prices.html

      “The wave of LNG tankers has overwhelmed the ability of the European regasification facilities to unload the cargoes in a timely manner,” said Andrew Lipow, president of Lipow Oil Associates.

      These delays postpone the tankers’ return to the Gulf Coast of the United States to pick up the next load, according to Lipow, and as a result, natural gas inventories rise more than the market expected.

      The underlying infrastructure issue is a lack of European regasification capacity due to a shortage of regasification plants and pipelines connecting countries that have regasification facilities. As a result, the amount of LNG on the water — floating storage — increases and in turn drives down the price of natural gas.

      I think that there is also a “buy natural gas as you need it” issue, especially if (limited) natural gas storage facilities are filled. With mild weather at this time of year, there is little need for natural gas for heating or cooling at this point. Suppliers of natural gas have always had to deal with the problem of extremely variable day-to-day and week-to-week demand, because of weather fluctuations. Without enough storage, LNG ships effectively has to provide the storage. This is a very inefficient use of these ships. The situation also leads to horribly variable prices.

      • Jane says:

        According to Jorge Vilches, who writes at The Saker blog, there is a serious problem in the distribution of gas in that without natgas flowing out of wells and thus creating pressure in the pipelines, there is no way to “push” or “pull” regasified LNG or gas that is currently in storage into the pipelines for distribution.

        http://thesaker.is/germanys-failing-stored-nat-gas-lng-experiment/

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          he ignores the massive daily flow from Norway, so that is a big hole in his reasoning.

        • JesseJames says:

          I don’t totally buy Jorge’s argument. IMHO without gas pipeline flow, it just becomes more expensive to repressurize the gas from the storage into the pipeline, but it still can be done. Perhaps not as effective and efficient. They use electricity for those pressurizing turbines…you just keep them turning longer or faster or something like that. Additionally, there are other treatments done to the storage gas (moisture removal, contaminants removal, etc.)
          Additionally, the storage sites are located all over, so the pipeline flow would not be the same at each storage site.

    • cassandraclub says:

      And mild weather

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        yes, mainly these two items which are being commented on, that the very cold winter weather is not here yet, and “storage” is mostly full.

        and they wanted it to be known that they filled their storage ahead of schedule, to influence the markets towards lower prices. They boasted about “ahead of schedule” this summer, and “mostly full”, and it worked.

        so it’s a lull in the action until real winter nears, when we will see how poorly Europe is supplied.

        “storage” is only 20 to 25 % of their winter needs, so they will be living on the edge this winter.

        surely prices won’t be plunging as temperatures are plunging.

        • Xabier says:

          Here in England there hasn’t been a ‘real winter’ for ages.

          Only two days of mild frost last year in Eastern England, for instance. A bit colder in outer barbaric regions in the north, etc, but nothing unbearable.

          Elderly house-bound people will no doubt die at an increased rate, not much more and they will be well out of what’s coming to us soon.

    • reante says:

      The Machine is bucking. Surges and hesitations. Fuel system issues. They need to go through the whole thing. Check the injectors, pull the tank, clean it out, replace the pump, check the ground and the wiring, blow out the fuel lines, replace the fuel filter, replace the relay, fill up the tank with fresh fuel. That’s what I did. PITA. She runs beautiful now. The Machine’s tranny is fucked, too, though, from supply chain issues.

  39. Student says:

    (FranceSoir)

    ”Bill Gates in front of the Nanterre Judicial Court: did he make contradictory statements in the US and France?”
    […]
    …the billionaire called the Covid-19 injection an “excellent vaccine”; on the other side of the Atlantic, he explained that the vaccine does not prevent transmission, which is the primary function of a vaccine.
    […] Bill Gates was able to make these statements on France 2 with a feeling of impunity, he said.
    Protat then recalled the terms of Article 1240 of the Civil Code on non-contractual liability, the basis of the judicial process (“Any act of a man, which causes damage to another, obliges the one through whose fault it came to repair it”), before explaining how the conditions set by this article are met in this case.
    […]
    ”Protat (the lawyer of ‘BonSens’ association) also made a parenthesis about the strange presentation of the annual “Global Goalkeeper” award by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to Ursula Von Der Leyen, president of the European Commission, a body that will be at the center of an investigation into the purchase of anti-Covid vaccines conducted by the European Public Prosecutor’s Office. He also mentioned that in June 2020 the European Commission announced the payment of 300 million euros to this foundation.”

    Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

    http://www.francesoir.fr/tribunes/compte-rendu-audience-bill-gates-20-octobre

  40. Xabier says:

    This confirms what we’ve always told you: rare myocarditis from vaccination is transient.

    It ends when the heart is removed!

    Anything else is misinformation.

    Then you get a new one and you are good to go…..to the vaxx centre for a booster!

    All our special love

    Rochelle, Albert and Tony.

  41. Student says:

    About RIshi Sunak, just for the news:

    the billionaire Rishi Sunak, besides being a prominent member of Klaus Schwab’s World Economic Forum, is son-in-law of Narayana Murthy, owner of Infosys the IT company who created the controversial Indian digital system to control population called Aadhaar.

    https://t.me/nandraR/4226

    https://www.shethepeople.tv/news/narayana-murthy-congratulates-rishi-sunak/

    • Rodster says:

      Another puppet for Klaus. Many don’t realize that Putin is also a Schwab student.

    • Just what we don’t need!

      Of course, if Europe including UK can all collapse, that would perhaps leave more resources for the rest of the world. The WEF approaches particularly appeal to people who cannot see a way with fossil fuels. The idea is that the very rich will still come out quite well, even as the economy collapses. They will keep their power, even without energy being available in quantity.

      • Dennis L. says:

        What would you see as positive solutions for humanity as a whole? What path is better for the majority?

        The universe seems to be unfolding as it should, new images from space show a vastness and complexity difficult to comprehend; it is a considerable effort and we humans may well be the best outcome to date. We are along for the ride, we adapt and deal with what is, those who believe they can direct most likely will be disappointed.

        Interesting times.

        Dennis L.

        • Rodster says:

          “What would you see as positive solutions for humanity as a whole? What path is better for the majority? The universe seems to be unfolding as it should”

          I think we are seeing the predictability of our times play out. Once you have an organism outgrow its resources it collapses. Cancer is one example where it grows and kills the host and then it dies. At 8 billion hoomans, we have outgrown our resources. We have foolishly squandered our clean water, fertilizer, phosphorous (important to grow food).

          Then there’s this thing called energy we also squandered, foolishly as if we thought there was an endless supply. Heck why is it Chile ships its Citrus to my home State of Florida where we have the best Citrus in the US? Chile did it because they had cheap enough energy.

          Now we have global turf wars with governments trying to seize other peoples stuff. Governments from around the world have become Crime Syndicates rubbing out other Crime Bosses. The US is looking to rub out Putin, Zelensky is looking to rub out Putin. The US wanted to rub out Hussein, then Assad, then Qaddafi and now Putin.

          That’s what happens when a species becomes too big for its limited resources. So we either collapse or find Nukes raining down.

          • Cromagnon says:

            While I am completely sympathetic to your worldview there is a third option.

            Precision antiquitech found world wide (ergo 400 ton precisely engineered stone blocks in Balbeck Lebanon, massive 200,000 year old pyramids built on South American plateaus, maps from ancient times showing ice free Antarctica etc) show that in some fashion we were “ here before”. We also have glass spherules indicating “ nuclear detonations” in antiquity……and much much much more evidence both hard and mythological.

            Thus, option 3,….. cataclysmic reset from outside agency. Why? Not completely known. Speculation,…. we humans both individually and collectively have to learn something important. We keep failing at it.

            We may well enter a dark age as our fuel supplies vanish, we may well have nuclear conflict….. but when the sun darkens, and the starry night begins to roll up like a old window blind. When the concentric rings appears around the sun like all the cave paintings show, when plasma arc discharges start blasting the planets surface,….. there will be few who doubt the arrival of “ Gods wrath “.

            The Angel of Death will come again soon and it does not matter if you are a believer or not.

            Yes, I know it sounds woo-woo, but the evidence is in plain sight for anyone who wants to look.
            We are not in base reality. We simply are not.

            • reante says:

              I believe that animism is what the earth ecology would benefit from humans relearning. We’ve very occasionally unlearned it to the degree that civilization arises.

              What of importance do you believe that humans have to collectively learn?

              Even if ‘your’ alternative history is true, I still don’t see how it changes ‘base reality,’ which is consciousness and energy in holographic/animated symbiosis, in either elemental or biological form. It just changes the background story somewhat. Any naturally ambitious person in their general prime should be preparing for a worst case industrial collapse and I don’t see how ‘your’ cyclical ‘mayan’ or whatever scenario makes much difference. By the time we see the rings around the sun we’re gonna we’re gonna be battle hardened, come hell or highwater types and we’ll just be like let’s get it on baby. That’s life.

              I for one don’t find your scenario creepy. I just haven’t looked into it because I don’t see the practicality in it. If it be a truth I don’t see how I can incorporate it as a working truth. Working truths are what matter most – applied truths.

            • can you let me have the link to those 200000 yr old pyramids please

            • Cromagnon says:

              Please reference mariobuildreps.com for an eye opening look into alternative (reality based) archeology.

              The concentric rings around the solar disc that has been witnessed in antiquity are in fact the expanding waves of a dust shell erupting off the solar corona in a micro nova event. If initially witnessed then the the viewer must hope that earths rotational velocity will put them on the night side when the shell cloud hits earths surface. The impact would be. and has been, devastating. Think “Tunguska” but on a full half of the planetary surface. If combined with lithosphere displacement ( if the electromagnetic impact is appropriately large enough to unlock the crust) then we have a near extinction level event.
              Last go around it removed 65% of all megafauna species from the America’s and removed Clovis as a culture.
              It also drove the Annuna (Annunaki) into the “ old world” with their surviving technologies.

              The fact that is probably all housed within a complex artifice of holography is small comfort.

            • reante says:

              Cromagnon

              Thanks for the link.

              .Just hit my first little red flag. Not a deal breaker by any means.

              “Ask yourself this simple question: If Göbleke Tepe is only 12,000 years old and is allegedly the oldest human-made monument on Earth, what were Homo sapiens then doing the rest of the time? Was Homo sapiens wandering around for over 400,000 years doing nothing and leaving no traces of significance?”

              Interesting to hear he believes people started out in south America. South America is the continent almost devoid of native large mammals, but maybe that’s an irrelevant point WRT to these proposed cataclysms. Or maybe it’s not.

            • established monuments (ie those that don’t dissolve in rain) require stone to build them

              other than very crude piles of rock, (ie stonehenge), that requires stone cutting, which requires hard tools, mainly iron. (Copper has to be repeatedly hardened)

              I thought the iron age was fairly established in history–but others may know differently

      • Dennis L. says:

        I have never thought money a very good measure of wealth. Who was the wealthiest person in the time of Michelangelo? Who got more joy, satisfaction from their life? Who would enter more easily into heaven? If Michelangelo had children, wow, that is wealth beyond measure.

        Given the choice between money and talent, I would chose talent every time.

        A story is told of a cowboy going through the gates of heaven and being asked for his wish. His reply to St. Peter, “A new hat, pair of jeans and a pocket full of money.” St. Peter replied, “Done.” The next person in line stepped up, St. Peter again asked, “What is your wish?” The reply, “That guys name, address and five more just like him.” Some things never change.

        Dennis L.

        • I don’t think Michael Angel liked what he was doing. The very reason he didn’t reproduce means it was not something he was proud of.

          Gailleo put his two daughters to nunneries because he could not raise the dowry, putting himself out of the gene pool.

          Meanwhile the landowners of Italy back then still have descendants. Go figure.

        • inadequacies again eddy

          never fails

      • I am not sure that I have the right answer. The self-organizing economy behaves strangely. It will pick out what it considers the right outcome. This may not correspond to my pre-conceived notion. I keep looking for more clues as to how things will turn out.

      • cassandraclub says:

        Yep, after 20 years of climate-change-mitigation, there is a small amount of renewable energy installed for those that can afford it.
        “They” really look after themselves and their families.

    • Xabier says:

      Easy to see how he was preferred to Liz Truss, RIP.

    • Xabier says:

      Well worth reading up on the Aadhaar system, coming soon to a dystopia near you…..

      • According to Wikipedia:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aadhaar

        Aadhaar (Hindi: आधार, romanized: ādhār, lit. ’base, foundation’,[5] Bengali: আধার) is a 12-digit unique identity number that can be obtained voluntarily by the citizens of India and resident foreign nationals who have spent over 182 days in twelve months immediately preceding the date of application for enrolment, based on their biometric and demographic data. The data is collected by the Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI), a statutory authority established in January 2009 by the Government of India, under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology, following the provisions of the Aadhaar (Targeted Delivery of Financial and other Subsidies, benefits and services) Act, 2016.[1]

        Aadhaar is the world’s largest biometric ID system. World Bank Chief Economist Paul Romer described Aadhaar as “the most sophisticated ID programme in the world”.[6] Considered a proof of residence and not a proof of citizenship, Aadhaar does not itself grant any rights to domicile in India.[7] In June 2017, the Home Ministry clarified that Aadhaar is not a valid identification document for Indians travelling to Nepal and Bhutan.[8]

        We have read stories earlier about the system not working for some people, where it has been tried. These people found themselves cut off from basic services.

        I know that I personally have had a lot of problem using fingerprint-based biometric approaches to turn a cell phone on. No matter how much I try, they don’t work for me.

        I have never had a phone that operates based on its view of my face. I know, however, that in the past (actually, several years ago) I have tripped and fallen and ended up with considerable swelling and black areas on my face. I have a hard time believing that the phone would recognize me if such a situation would happen again.

        • Xabier says:

          We need to modify you, Gail to make you, and others like you, bio-metric-friendly. A whole new growth sector, perhaps?

          I think we read year or two ago about a poor Indian woman who starved because the system couldn’t recognise her and authorise food rations.

  42. Mrs S says:

    My friend’s husband works for a large IT company in the UK. He had to go in place of his boss at some special high level meeting for senior msnagement at large companies. There was an economics prof from Oxford presenting. They were told 1) Green energy is failing and is not going to take us into the future. 2) Economy is about to collapse.

    The prof was basically pleading IT companies to start moving into new energy source development but also thinking beyond the current state of economy and think about how they’re going to salvage economy and society beyond the collapse.

    None of this is news to us. But it’s interesting that they’re starting to admit it.

    • Interesting! It should be clear now that Green Energy is taking us nowhere.

    • Rodster says:

      If one just looks at the US test-bed in California they would understand that green energy will not us. The governor of California has been admonishing and pleading with it’s citizens to cut back on electricity use by not charging their EV’s during peak hours.

      It surprise no one that EV’s as some estimates put them around 10% of total vehicles on the road. Now just imagine what California would look like if they had to provide electricity for 25% of EV’s on their roads?

      We don’t have to worry about that for two reasons:

      1) There are enough rare earth materials to produce 100% of all EV vehicles
      2) EV’s are too expensive to own and cost even more when it comes time to replace the battery module.

      • EVs are a way of virtue signaling for the very rich. They can have an EV in their fleet of cars. Real usefulness of the EVs is questionable, however.

        There is no way enough charging stations can be built and charge enough for their services. This is another roadblock to widespread adoption.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Yes but the vaccines save 20M lives

    • interesting thread Mrs S

      fascinating and at the same time terrifying to pick up that same mantra again–that technology is going to save us, when it plainly isn’t.

      we didn’t have all the tech frills until cheap energy made it possible.

      IT cannot deliver ‘new energy sources’.

      • Mrs S says:

        Yes indeed. This is where the rubber meets the road.

        What happens to all the plans for smart cities and 24/7 surveillance and data-driven everything when we can’t keep the lights on?

        Tangentially related, i must recommend Adam Curtis’ latest series on the collapse of the USSR. It’s on BBC Iplayer. I learnt that Gobarchev tried to save the planned economy via the use of computers, which i hadn’t realised. They thought that if only they could amass enough data, they could make a planned economy work. Which is where we are now.

        • Thank you Mrs S, will catch up on that

        • “Gobarchev tried to save the planned economy via the use of computers, which i hadn’t realised. ”

          That is interesting.

          Meanwhile, we are seeing that Cuba, which has been trying to pay everyone close to the same amount is having real problems this year.

          China seems to be having big problems now with its planned economy, which it is trying to save with computerized controls of it citizens. Part of its problems are energy problems. But there seem to be other problems as well. We don’t get a very complete story of what is happening in China, in my opinion. I expect that its recently released third quarter GDP estimate is inflated.

        • drb753 says:

          If perchance the introduction of computers in the planned economy had been accompanied by the discovery of a Ghawar-like oilfield in Siberia, why, we would all be studying now the importance of AI in planned economies.. As it was, it was mere rearranging of chairs, he might as well have switched to capitalism or some other isms.

    • Mrs S says:

      The Prof was Sir Dieter Helm, Professor of Energy Policy at the University of Oxford, and Fellow in Economics at New College, Oxford.

      He was a member of the Economics Advisory Group to the British Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change, and Chair of the Natural Capital Committee.

      He’s written a book about Net Zero. He recommended establishing a carbon tax and an increased use of gas for electricity generation to substitute coal and to act as a bridge to new technologies.

      Looks like he’s realised we’re going over a cliff.

  43. Student says:

    (bioRxiv)

    ”Endonuclease fingerprint indicates a synthetic origin of SARS-CoV-2”
    […]
    ”To construct synthetic variants of natural coronaviruses in the lab, researchers often use a method called in vitro genome assembly. This method utilizes special enzymes called restriction enzymes to generate DNA building blocks that then can be “stitched” together in the correct order of the viral genome. To make a virus in the lab, researchers usually engineer the viral genome to add and remove stitching sites, called restriction sites. The ways researchers modify these sites can serve as fingerprints of in vitro genome assembly.
    We found that SARS-CoV has the restriction site fingerprint that is typical for synthetic viruses. ”

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1

    It is something we already knew here, but it is good to remind all the ignorant (or in bad faith) Doctors and Virologists or ‘Experts’ who insisted to say that Covid-19 was natural and in addition they indicated as ignorant people ex nobel prize Luc Montagnier (or others) who said that the virus was coming from a Lab…

    • ivanislav says:

      Good stuff, simple and elegant. Hard to argue against.

    • Even if this is a good paper, I expect the authors will have difficulty getting it published in a major journal. Perhaps a minor journal somewhere will take it. There has been a lot of evidence out about this in the past, but the powers that be don’t want this information out. It is just too hard to explain, especially with the involvement of researchers from US, Europe, Canada, and Australia, and funding from these countries.

  44. Rodster says:

    Haha, what a joke.

    “Biden calls VP Kamala Harris a ‘great president’ in gaffe during White House event
    Biden also joked Vice President Kamala Harris has ‘turned 30’ during the White House event”

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-kamala-harris-greatpresident-gaffe-white-house

    • Peter Cassidy says:

      The man clearly has dementia. Under normal circumstances, he would step down. But Kamala Harris is in no way competant to take his place. And the entire Democrat ruling cadre seem to be more interested in maintaining their position than in acting in the best interests of the nation. They are terrified of admitting weakness and seeing a second Trump presidency. So the sorry saga continues. And the J media continue to cover up the dementia patient’s gaffes.

      • reante says:

        It’s all kabuki theater, including the cover-up. In order to run the gentrified lemmingworld off a cliff. Yet your wish is to put more radioactive materials in the hands of the theater owners in order to save the lemmings’ prosperity, the lemmings that are currently being run off a cliff.

  45. Sam says:

    Are we to the point of the FED and the Treasury merging….or has it already happened? I think the U.S government was too slow to spend so now the two can merge and the Treasury can sell T Bills and the FED can buy them soon we will have money in hyper mode …..could possibly see a melt up in the stock market.

    • reante says:

      No, the Fed and Treasury can never merge because then there would be no national structure to speak of. Private central banks can only ever supercede national treasuries in setting monetary policy. The Fed can only buy gubmint bonds on the secondary market, in a circle jerk with the primary dealers, because the Fed cannot make unsecured loans or the jig is up, and gubmint bonds are unsecured bonds, so the Fed has to lend to primary dealers and accept bonds as collateral which constitutes a secured loan lol.

      • Hubbs says:

        And the turn around time between when the US Treasury issues the bonds and primary dealers “ bid” on them and buy them up is now 24 hours.

        Since the US Treasury isn’t allowed to be directly “ funded” by the FED purchase, it simply pays these rogue agency accomplices – the primary dealers- to acquire these Treasury bills, notes, and bonds in sham auctions.

        All to make you think there is a real market for government debt.

        • Oddys says:

          It has been so for a while. Same here in Sweden. Some years ago it was a problem that our FED (Riksbanken) bought up almost ALL treasuries so there was no market left for the institutions that need a certain fraction of their assets in treasury bonds!

          Well, our FED elegantly solved the problem by buying up all other kinds of assets they could find, leaving some treasuries for “the market”. Now they buy housing loans and even company shares.

          Everything in place for an infationary firestorm.

      • Strange financial world we live in. Close to a “house of cards.”

        https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CWFE08/house-of-cards-CWFE08.jpg

  46. Fast Eddy says:

    The bucket list has been thwarted…

    Fast was planning a Japan excursion but was informed that it would be difficult to turn around a covid test within 72 hours cuz it has to go to the lab in the big city…

    And Mexico is not possible due to all flights transiting through countries that either need the injection (USA) or have quarantines…

    Even Canada is not possible because the flights stop in the bastion of insanity – California..

    Europe is too far… Thailand has minimal appeal…

    So now Fast just waits to die… trapped in Donkey Face Land.

    • banned says:

      Cmon now kiddo if anyone knew the music was going to stop it was you.
      You have ms fast.
      You have that fine mutt.
      BAU tonight!!!
      Life is good.
      Stop your moping. Hoolio might feel it and be sad.
      AHH. I might know what the problem is.. You dont still…
      HAVE A TELEVISION?????
      Good god man get rid of that thing.

    • Vern Baker says:

      Does Taipei work? You should be able to use that as a hoping point.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Still need a test … so that would mean buying a ticket to taipei … leaving the airport … buying a separate ticket to japan + trying to work out how and where to get the test done while in taipei…

        Way too much hassle…. I’ll just sit tight and wait to die…

        Unless anyone has some good suggestions of where to go in Australia that might be worth a trip .. a couple of my mates went to some remote bush camp and were able to shoot feral pigs from a chopper … the thing is … I need internet though … OFW would collapse without FE and norm would fall into despair

        • GOD says:

          Sit tight and wait to die. Travel pre covid, ok sure. Travel today forget it. Spend 500 per day for what. Airport cavity check, dirty hotel, go out and get expensive meal, go to local watering hole and flee with random person when people start bashing each others heads in. Taxi back to expensive dirty hotel for the night, hoping not to get kidnapped along the way, watch garbage broadcast tv all night with with random person. Go out for expensive breakfast. Enjoy expensive breakfast while observe signs of societal decay and collapsing society from patio. Another dirty taxi, lug the luggage back to the cavity search sky tube, soylent green tv dinner, trapped next to they/them who just ate a dead skunk, for the next 7 hours while imposing they life story

          . I’d rather spend the same $ torching 100 dollar bills in my backyard to light cigars. Would rather throw 10K into the nearest dumpster than fly anywhere today with a 10K allowance

        • Hubbs says:

          Ayres Rock if you don’t mind the flies swarming you for your moisture. Or Cairns. Strap on your scuba gear or if you just like the beach then Bondi beach, but they say the Great Barrier Reef has made an amazing come back. Alice Springs if you want to chill out in a nice quiet town and listen to some digeredoo music.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            The north is mostly closed for the season – I thought about the Gibbs Road … but the accomm is done … 40 degrees and high humidity….

        • reante says:

          Heading into collapse it’s inadvisable to be friends with people who shoot wildlife from helicopters. Big-time cheaters.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Booked a dive trip West Coast Aussie… didn’t see options to shoot pigs so that will have to do

    • Late to the Party says:

      Be adventurous Fast! You could learn to sail as you go to Canada. You could even take Hoolio. You don’t need no airplane.
      https://auckland.craigslist.org/boa/d/sail-home-new-zealand/7533439437.html

  47. banned says:

    Its pretty clear to me that Peru was responsible for the NS pipeline sabotage. It fits right in with their agenda. What does the NS sabotage communicate? Anything that moves Russian energy is at risk. The EU sanctions that deny insurance to tankers carrying Russian oil are effective right around the corner. That insures (pun not intended) that the connected insurers are not going to take a loss. There was talk of bypassing the insurance requirements earlier by some means. Which tanker owner is going to take the risk of moving Russian oil after the NS sabotage? Which bootleg insurer is going to insure that tanker and its cargo after NS sabotage? The EU sanctions ensure that any tanker carrying Russian oil is open season for the Peruvians now that any insurance player that matters is out of the game. Even if someone is stupid enough to try the Peruvians will quickly show its not a good idea. If and when oil tanker poofage is demonstrated all oil sales to China and India and that income will cease but its going to cease real soon anyway because everyone with a financial interest already understands. The paper tiger of the sanctions becomes very alive because of the Peruvians. What action if any will Russia take against Peru as its income ceases? What response can we expect from the world if the brutal Russia acts against the gentle Peruvians?

  48. Fast Eddy says:

    Lockdowns Turned an Average Flu into a Public Health Catastrophe
    The evidence from England all-cause mortality and COVID deaths data is clear.

    https://metatron.substack.com/p/lockdowns-turned-an-average-flu-into

    • Above average substack post.

      According to the official death tally, there were only thirty six thousand COVID deaths in spring 2020 in England, making it (Piers Morgan cover your eyes now) a rather ordinary “flu” by recent standards.

      But what is rather unfortunate is the fact that it is clear that the first two weeks of COVID mortality fit the Gompertz distribution modelled on the all-cause excess mortality. In other words, a novel (as in a new, or simply “another”) pathogen did genuinely emerge in spring 2020 and was always on course to account for thirty six thousand deaths. Nothing we did as a society changed that.

      But then, at the moment that the government charges in to save the day, on 23rd March 2020 to be exact – by putting all the healthy citizens under house arrest, chucking sick, infected old people out of hospitals and into care homes, denying people emergency and elective healthcare, and putting enormous stress on the population by shutting schools and businesses and stopping people from enjoying any of life’s pleasures, adversely affecting the old and frail disproportionately – excess deaths deviate upwards from those caused by the virus, adding another nineteen thousand additional, unnecessary, avoidable deaths to the season total.

      That’s a 50% increase on what would have occurred if the government had simply stayed out of the affairs of ordinary people and continued to provide the public services they were elected to do.

  49. MM says:

    Gail,
    you frequently mention that there seems to be a higher order that “plays” us here and we do just not know what is going on.
    I want to make a claim that also is in line with CTG as a higher order that does not give us a hint about what is going on here or creating a simulation as a playground is boring.
    If I created a universe or a simulation I would put in some stuff “of me” to see what “my copies” would achieve.
    A simulation without any attachment to the simulator would not make any sense.

    So from the claim that we as entities in a creation for all practicalities of a creator would inhibit some traits of the creator (as in “Man is created in the image of god”), we must have a sense of what the creation / simulation was made for.

    Let me make a suggestion:
    From historical developments on this planet there seem to emerge new problems every day. People go to the churches and beg for a new Mercedes Benz every day.
    So what can a creator do?
    It can make up his mind and create a soul to be sent to work on some of the problems.
    This human being will then come here as the famous “blank slate” and will unfortunately be indoctrinated with pure bullshit 24/7.
    For me as MM here on OFW I see a culmination of people coming together here that are in limbo just because nothing just fucking works here.

    That serves the purpose of becoming a slave which is the underlying principle of Marx and OFW combined.
    We need energy to create.
    We need to create.
    I am pretty sure that in principle this could work out somehow but not if everybody obeys on “What needs on be done next” but “Let me do what needs to be done now”.
    You need to obey to your own inner voice.

    I bet that OFW is just that for you Gail and I thank you for that.

    • reante says:

      Exactly. Indeed it would be impossible for the creator to create a universe not in the creator’s ‘image’. We can know that for the same reason that we can know that the creator must exist in the first place: because something cannot come from nothing; which is to say, even the creator cannot create something ‘outside’ of the creator.

      The universe/natural law IS the creator’s image as it is to be understood by us, by definition. Not the creator ‘itself,’ but the creator’s image.

      The ‘inscrutable simulation’ theory does not stand to Reason given the available evidence.

      According to Reason, while we cannot directly know anything of the creator, we can know that the creator must exist and that the universe is by definition the creator’s ‘image’ and, hence, in the creator’s image.

      • I think that there is some truth to this. The things god makes are in some ways a reflection of the creator. We see the creator through the things that the creator has made. These things give us humans many opportunities.

      • Hubbs says:

        You guys lost me. There is fossil record of evolution from the Homo genus along multiple lines, and from one of them, H sapiens emerged. But there are seeming evolutionary constants in evolution. The advantages of stereoscopic vision and hearing. More efficient locomotion through four legs for mammals vs 6 or 8 for insects and arachnids, echo location by bats and dolphins, and bipedal locomotion which combined with increased brain size, freed up the hands to make tools. Poor dolphins. All that intelligence, but trapped in an ocean with no hands- in contrast to humans.
        But for me, a creator uses the same building blocks for all living and non living things. DNA/RNA, molecules etc. During embryogenesis and development, humans seem to pass through similar morphology as other animals. (“Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.”) But that still does not rule out a creator of all things.
        How did the physics of gravitation, speed of light, quantum mechanics, atoms, subatomic particles, bosons, neutrinos, positrons, black holes, supernovas get their properties? It all has to be just right or it never gets started. Have there been numerous prior attempts to find the right mix of these properties? Aborted universes? The universe is stranger than we can ever imagine.

        As theoretical astrophysicists and quantum physicists rack their brains trying to figure out the universe, wouldn’t it be the ultimate irony if centuries from now, we discover through some miracle that the theologians have been right all along?

        • CTG says:

          Hubbs… you need to think out of the box. Fossil records and DNA? You seen them yourself? Believe in it? Perhaps they are just inserted memories? Mandela effect? Sri Lanka is really gone? Black holes, supernovas are from books an articles. Perhaps they are no different from “safe and effective”?

          This is a very abstract thing and you seriously need to be very open minded. Remember that I was an engineer by training and as hard as it, I have come to accept that “everything is an illusion”

          • Lidia17 says:

            CTG, I’ve seen fossils and DNA myself. I mapped my own chromosomes from a sample of my own blood. I still have the analog image somewhere. I may’ve been given incorrect guidance as to the ultimate significance of certain physical expressions, but I’m not at the point where I would say they don’t exist. People with specific chromosomal defects end up with specific physical problems.. why should this be some sort of “false memory”, in your opinion? Do you think people with chromosomal abnormalities only exist in books?

            If my DNA and blood don’t exist, for all intents and purposes, then who is the entity having “the illusion” in the first place? And if this entity thinks so poorly of us as to deny us our existence, well…fuck xem!

            • CTG says:

              brain in a vat…

              Everything is electrical signals. You sure what you saw is what it is?

              If you have seen this movie..

            • Fast Eddy says:

              If they open a human’s skull and press on parts of the brain – they experience stuff.. if someone takes drugs they see stuff…

          • Hubbs says:

            CTG, I used to go fossil hunting in the creek bed near Buffalo NY when I was growing up. I would collect perfectly fossilized trilobite shells. We’re talking hundreds of millions of years. Haven’t seen any living ones in the oceans and reefs I have scuba dived throughout the world. My three brothers are mechanical engineers, they didn’t get into that stuff either. Measurements, whether the size of atoms measure in angstroms, or Avogadros number of molecules in a mole are man made measurements. What determined the size of atoms? No, I am not going to agonize over something that will never be explained and certainly not in my life time.

            But I am always interested in reading about an explanation for the “creation” of physical properties and the existence of gravity for starters. It’s one thing to create a hologram of a jet crashing into the Twin Towers- actually just easier to confiscate and alter the confiscated hard videos…
            Instead of wasting too much time in this fruitless pursuit, I would rather just accept Pete Townshend’s premise at the refrain ending of his song. Let’s See Action.”
            “Everything is nothing. Nothing is everything.”

        • drb753 says:

          Strictly speaking some of these things, like neutrinos or black holes, can be just about anything without the universe changing.

    • The comments on OFW give me an idea of what I should be writing about next.

      In many ways, I feel that what I am writing is in some way inspired. I could never understand how the self-organizing economy works without the help of the my experiences over the years in the insurance industry, the many people I met in person and on line once I started writing on OFW and The OilDrum, and also the help of commenters.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        So when do we get the expose on Super Snatch SINdy? I am sure that would attract a big audience…

        Start off with her twisted childhood raised by a meth addict… how she ended up turning tricks Out Back the Dumpster .. what does she spent her $$$ on … any hobbies? .. favourite influences… movies.. music…. any children… how she hooked up with norm

        I can help with a draft if you are too busy

        • eddy

          I feel sure Gail will hang on your every word on such matters, and deliver a feature article replete with revelations based on your constant obsession.

          I can’t wait to read it.

          • Now, my commenters seem to act like they are playing musical chairs. Instead of giving reasonable comments, they find reasons/ways to put down other commenters. You are part of the problem, Norman.

            • I never initiate such comments, I only reply to them Gail. I thought you’d known me long enough to know that.

              if you think eddys comment was an idea to be taken seriously, I am not in a position to say otherwise.

              Though I remain a little surprised.

            • answering just one question (if such a thing was possible) would unleash a vomitarial blizzard of 00s more.

              Which i why i do not

              especially on subjects i know nothing about.

              but dont let that stop you eddy.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              It’s a blizzard one way or the other … and if you don’t answer people start to question your intelligence.

            • people have been doing that for the past 87 year eddy

              Still inconclusive.

              Still, I am touched to be constantly in your thoughts, that you feel the need to reach out every 2 minutes or so to remind the rest of the OFW inmates that I exist.

              I dont read all comments–just open the occasional one from you, (always plenty to choose from) knowing that it will be about me. Please excuse the ones i don’t reply to, i don’t read them.

              almost as good as being famous though.

      • Burgundy says:

        As you have said, you “fell” into this job. Every thing that we do or experience in life serve a purpose. So every thing that you have experienced in life have in fact prepared you for this job, just like a hand fits into a glove.

      • Cynic says:

        And no doubt many of us found you, Gail, by following a link given by someone who was also somewhat inquisitive and thinking independently and unconventionally about economic and energy issues.

    • CTG says:

      Higher power or creator just simply wants answers to questions that cannot be answered by equations. It does not necessarily the simulation is the image of the creator. Answer tough questions like “is it possible to inject vaccines on people easily?” or “Can people be bamboozled into believing tooth fairies?”

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