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Tailwinds often make jet planes fly faster than they would regularly fly. In this post, I talk about economic tailwinds that help the economy grow more quickly.
Strangely enough, the economy seems to move from tailwind to tailwind, as new resources are discovered, as population expands, and as central banks figure out new ways to fix the economy. In this post, I will describe some tailwinds affecting the economy. Many of these have recently lost their value or are likely to lose their value in the future. The long-term trend seems to be toward tailwinds becoming available to some parts of the world economy, but there may be major dips and shifts with respect to which segments of the world economy are favored.
[1] The tailwind of very low oil prices
Before 1972, the US economy had the tailwind of a good supply of oil available at very low prices. Goods could be made cheaply with oil products, and new devices, such as automobiles, could be operated very inexpensively. New technology could take hold quickly because resources, including energy resources, were easily available. For these reasons, the economy could grow very quickly, with little use of debt.
Data from the US Bureau of Economics shows that the US economy experienced an average annual growth rate of 4.8% between 1932 and 1972, which is very high by today’s standards. The same data shows that the US economy’s average annual growth rate was 2.7% for the period 1972 to 2022.
[2] The tailwind of falling interest rates and near zero interest rates
From 1981 to 2020, the world economy had a tailwind of generally falling interest rates.
On Figure 2, the top line (in red) shows 10-year interest rates. The lower line (in blue) represents interest rates of 3-month Treasuries.
In the US, many mortgage rates have tended to follow 10-year interest rates. We all know that as mortgage rates fall, homes become more affordable to buyers. As more homes become affordable to buyers, the “demand” for homes goes up. More homes are built, stimulating the economy. Similarly, buying farmland becomes more affordable. Factories become more affordable. There are more people bidding for these goods, so the selling prices tend to rise.
Figure 2 shows that short term rates have also been falling, but in a more irregular way. The fact that these rates have generally been falling has also greatly aided economic growth, since many industrial and financial loans are very short term.
It appears to me that the temporary rise in short-term interest rates between 2004 and 2006 ultimately caused the Great Recession of 2007-2009. See my academic paper, Oil Supply Limits and the Continuing Financial Crisis. Note the delayed impact of the rate rise. It is far too early to assume that the recent rise in interest rates will have no serious detrimental effects on the economy.
To try to keep the economy operating after the Great Recession, short term interest rates were brought down to close to zero for most of the time between 2008 and early 2022. These low interest rates encouraged investors to pursue new ventures that were very “iffy”– they might produce a positive return, or they might lose money. In fact, government subsidies were added, inviting investors to pursue “opportunities” that were likely to be money losers.
With this long-term tailwind of falling interest rates, capital gains were very easy to obtain. Homes became worth increased amounts, as did farms, seemingly by magic. Shares of stock tended to rise. People began to believe that there was little risk in borrowing money for questionable ventures. New high technology businesses in Silicon Valley blossomed.
In some sense, interest rates that rose in the 1960 to 1981 period (to keep the economy from racing ahead too fast) had stored up momentum that could be used in the 1981 to 2020 period.
We are now past that period of falling interest rates. In fact, we are in a new period of rising interest rates because of depleting resources, and the upward pressure these depleting resources place on inflation rates. Furthermore, a 200-year history of US interest rates shows that the recent near-zero interest rates have been an anomaly. We cannot expect interest rates to go back to the recent low level for any extended period. An interest rate of 5% or more is normal. The economy has benefitted from the temporary gift of falling interest rates, and of near zero rates, but this period is likely past.
[3] The tailwind of rising debt, relative to GDP
The fact that debt is rising, relative to GDP, is closely related to Tailwind [1] and Tailwind [2].
How much debt does it take to create one dollar of GDP? In theory, both the buyer of a product (such as a vehicle), and the various organizations involved with creating the product and shipping it to the end user, will need debt to move the process along. If the government is adding a subsidy to move the process along, this will add another layer of debt.
Figure 3 shows that prior to 1981, when oil prices were low (Figure 1), it took less than one dollar of debt to facilitate the process of creating one dollar of GDP. Oil companies were sufficiently profitable that they could use their profits to reinvest in new wells as old ones depleted. They did not need to add debt to make the process work. While products such as homes might need debt for the buyers to afford them, many other products did not. In this early period, government subsidies were much more limited than today.
After 1981, the ratio of debt to GDP steadily rose. The rise was particularly steep after 2001, when China was added to the World Trade Organization (Figure 1). As China ramped up its manufacturing, the price of oil tended to rise because more oil was needed for manufacturing and shipping the goods China made. More debt was required to import this higher-priced oil, causing at least part of the increase in the debt to GDP ratio. The dip in the debt to GDP ratio in the 2014-2019 period seems to correspond to the period of lower oil prices shown in Figure 1.
In some sense, it is strange that GDP does not consider the added debt that an economy requires in order to create the goods and services that it produces. Logically, it might make sense for GDP to measure the value of goods and services added, net of the additional debt required to make these goods and services. We can see from Figure 3 that this net approach would only work up until 1981. Since 1981, it has become necessary to add more debt than the amount of additional goods and services produced. If the interest rate is 0%, perhaps this is not a major issue, but if the interest rate rises to 5% or more, a huge amount of interest to be paid. Repaying debt with interest becomes a serious problem unless the borrower is able to find a truly profitable use for the funds.
[4] The tailwind of higher population
If population is growing, there is a need for many new things, including new schools, roads, stores, and homes. This puts pressure on GDP to grow. Figure 4 shows population growth, excluding the impact of migration.
In the 1950s and 1960, part of the reason that GDP in the More Developed parts of the world was growing rapidly was because population was growing quickly (Figure 4). This tailwind had mostly disappeared by the mid-1990s. Now, if one of the More Developed parts of the world shows population growth, it tends to be the result of increasing immigrant population.
Total world population (Figure 5) keeps rising, even though birth rates have been falling because people in less developed parts of the world have been living longer. This adds to migration pressure because there are not enough goods and services available for the increased population.
[5] The US tailwind from playing “King of the Mountain”
In March 2022, the US Federal Reserve started raising interest rates. These higher interest rates can be seen as a way to push the US$ higher relative to other currencies, especially relative to currencies of poorer countries, such as Argentina and Turkey. By pushing the dollar higher, oil and other commodities become relatively cheaper to the US, and relatively more expensive to those countries with currencies whose value is low relative to the US$. Also, the higher interest rates make the US a more attractive country for other countries to invest in.
The US move to raise interest rates higher can be viewed as a “King of the Mountain” move. High interest rates can perhaps be withstood by strong economies, but they cannot be withstood by weak economies. For example, many of the poorer countries of the world have loans from the International Monetary Fund. As the US dollar strengthens relative to local currencies, these loans become more difficult to be paid back. The fact that recent interest rates are higher also makes it harder for borrowers to repay debt with interest. Weak businesses and perhaps weak governments around the world will tend to be squeezed out.
One thing that may help the US in trying such a move is that fact that US debt has a kind of moneyness quality that the debt of other countries does not have. This occurs because the US$ is the reserve currency, which in turn is related to the US being the world’s hegemon. The question becomes: How long can the US maintain this lofty position? Other countries are likely to push back and find ways to work around the use of the US$, if it is to their disadvantage.
[6] The tailwind from the “Green Energy Will Save Us” narrative
The standard narrative about green energy saving the world from its climate change gives great opportunities for governments to subsidize wind turbines and solar panels, battery manufacturing plants, and the building of electric vehicles. These subsidies create more debt, which helps push the economy along.
The educational system is also stimulated by the “Green Energy Will Save Us” story. Educators have new courses to teach and new subjects to write academic papers about. If students are interested in studying these subjects, the US government is willing to provide debt-based funding to the prospective students. This adds another source of debt to stimulate the economy.
Of course, there is the hurdle of paying this debt back, especially if interest rates are at a new higher level. This game would not seem to be able to go on very long unless some green approach actually works. Such an approach needs to work in current devices, be low-cost to manufacture, and be affordable to customers at a price that generates taxable revenue.
[7] Over the very long run, tailwinds do seem to help the Universe grow and become more complex and more energy intense.
Eric Chaisson, in the book Cosmic Evolution: The Rise of Complexity in Nature, writes about the Universe gradually becoming more complex and having greater energy intensity. He shows images such as this one.
We don’t understand why this happens. Evolution seems to happen in every part of the Universe. Many parts of the Universe are short-lived. Each new part of the Universe varies in random ways from its predecessors. Evolution happens through the survival those that are the best adapted to their surroundings. This happens at least partly through the laws of physics. There may be some other force involved as well. Economists talk about the Invisible Hand being helpful. Those who are religious may think of the Hand of God being involved.
We know that the Earth has survived for a very long time, despite being hit by large meteors and despite major changes in climate. In fact, early humans lived through glacial periods. There are times when economies and populations fall back considerably, but somehow the world ecosystem recovers. It may even adapt in a way that allows more opportunity for growth.
Thus, even as the economy seems to be running out of today’s tailwinds, somehow there may be future tailwinds that will push the at least segments of the world economy along in a somewhat different direction. We simply don’t know for certain how things will turn out.
Just one more day.
I fully endorse Fast Eddy’s UEP if it kind of cleans out the hominids who think they should be treated as humans just because they walk in two feet.
It is time to stop treating the ‘working class’ (an euphemism for ‘low class’) hominids as humans. Someone who did not pay tax worth 5 ounces of gold, roughly around $11,000, per year now, should not be treated as humans, with their rights abridged significantly and they should not be allowed to vote.
We should replace the animals in experiments with these low class scum
The Electric bus disaster in Norway . They are planning the return of trolly buses . Back to the future . 🙂
https://aussiedlerbote.de/en/brand-new-electric-buses-paralyzed-in-oslo/
Brand new electric buses paralyzed in Oslo
Oslo, Norway – Winter is here and with it the freezing cold. And now public transport is also paralyzed. Oslo’s brand new fleet of electric buses is not designed for these temperatures – their batteries are failing miserably in the icy cold.
Maybe a solution for Honolulu.
What about electric cars? They also have batteries.
I read in 2022 that many new cars in Norway were electric so I assumed that the potential problems had been overcome.
Winter temperatures are lower than -8 degC in many countries. Even in England, which is surrounded by ocean, the record low is -26 degC.
I expect that the differences is that electric cars are used mostly by commuters to go short distances. Busses need to go all day long. They need to provide heat to passengers during these trips, too. As a result, their drains on the batteries are much higher than the drains of the commuters on batteries.
Individual citizens know that if they are going on long trips, they will have to recharge regularly. But busses are expected to run all day, even when it is cold out. Individual citizens don’t complain too loudly if recharging has to happen more often in winter than summers. But busses stop running without enough charge.
Electricity is for public transport, yes. and freight trains. I can not begin to describe the stupidity of these people. Did they not know that batteries fail at cold temperatures? I feel secure that EV will never show up in Russia.
As we have block heaters for diesel engine we will need heated compartments for batteries. Simple fix.
I remember car owners in Norway heating up their car at breakfast so it would start.
Batteries loose capacity with cold temperatures. Bring a large battery into cold and it will become a small battery. Warm it up and capacity will be back. I suppose the first adapters were commuting from heated garage to heated garage. An electric car does not get warm with driving.
My region laughs at modern technological civilization and waits patiently for an opening like an experienced predator facing large wounded prey.
The coldest I ever experienced was -70 C with wind on the deck of a drilling rig in Saskatchewan.
At minus 50 C without windchill trees boom as they crack their trunks with frost. Even bison, whose thermoneutral zone is -25 c with winter wool, even they begin to head for tree cover in the minus fifties.
Electric cars in such environments are like paradoxical hyperthermia in humans dying of frost. They are simply a delusion born of a weak, civilized species who forgot its Pleistocene roots and is going to die thinking its something it is not.
Then a mighty warrior road out of the north. He conquered the war loads of the plains and created the New United States. He was renowned for his use of war bison to tramp his enemies.
Yes!
Same problem … try owning one and driving it in the cold… specially with the heater on… report back
This is like the vax injuries… the MOREONS believed in safe and effective … then they get wrecked and they are bewildered…
With EVs the MOREONS believed the transition was real and they bought … then they run out of charge in the middle of nowhere or they get that first massive power bill or they need a new 20k battery… and … they are bewildered
How f789ing funny is all of this????
A total sh.it show…. madness and mayhem rule….
Music https://metatron.substack.com/p/covid-requiem-aeternam?s=r
I may be losing my mind!!!
“Poof Goes the Electric Car Dream
Sputtering EV promises, in 13 scenes. And the true road to surviving the climate crisis.”?
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2023/12/08/Electric-Vehicle-Dream-Sputters-True-Climate-Crisis-Survival/?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=111223
Ford EV’s are a flop so they are cutting production . Excuse given ” We’ll continue to match production with customer demand…”
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/fords-test-ev-adoption-fails-carmaker-slashes-production-plans-electric-f-150-half
Not a huge surprise!
For some reason Wolf seems to think Tesla will be immune to this quickly exhausting demand for EVs.
If the MOREONS have stopped buying F150s… cuz they have worked out that if you try to haul something — the range collapses… then only the truly MOREONIC will be buying a Tesla contraption
Wolf is a MOREON
The world is increasingly full of energy suckers. The role of the true religion is to turn the energy suckers into the energy producers.
Is that why Jesus is called the Sun of God….?
Can’t take credit for that one, MG, got it from an old Star Trek episode with William Shatner…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llI-W8CuEUg&pp=ygUkV2lsbGlhbSBzaGF0bmVyIHN0YXIgdHJlayBzb24gb2YgZ29k
I’m afraid you have it all wrong, Mr. Spock. The empire was trying to ridicule their religion but they couldn’t. It’s not the sun up in the sky; it’s the Son of God.”
Jesus is called the Sun of Righteousness in Malachi 4, at the very end of the Old Testament.
1 “Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its rays. And you will go out and frolic like well-fed calves. 3 Then you will trample on the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty.
4 “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.
5 “See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the parents to their children, and the hearts of the children to their parents; or else I will come and strike the land with total destruction.”
I consider that Solar Power Satellites are a current “translation” or reference to Mal 4:2. Instead of sunshine being pseudo-random intermittent, Solar Power Satellites would make the sun’s light and power available 24/7 & 365 days a year – “righteous”.
The Bible is a supremely sublime book read with fresh meaning by people with and going through many different experiences, including today.
explain Darel—if humankind had unlimited power 24/7/365—what exactly would we do with it?
this is not a facetious question
humankind uses power to sustain modern existence and growth of that existence.
so what is the ultimate end to that?
do we go on making/selling/buying ”stuff” ad infinitum—if so, who to?
power is only useful at the point of use—a lightbulb has no function unless it is connected to a powere supply
“Solar Power Satellites would make the sun’s light and power available 24/7 & 365 days a year ”
Darel and I have been involved with power satellites for decades. There are problems that stem from the massive scale of the things. You can’t start small because of microwave optics. If built from the Earth, they take a huge and low cost transport system to haul the parts up. If you want them to pick up 1/3 of the power humans use, that takes 1000 of them at 5 GW each. Done in 20 years, the construction rate would be 50 a year. Depending on the kg/kW, this could take up to 25,000 Starship launches a year. That’s possible, if they last 100 launches SpaceX would only need to build 250 a year, which they could certainly do.
They make sense in terms of energy payback, a power satellite will repay the launch energy need to put it up in a little over two months.
There are two difficulties, the things almost certainly have to be constructed by robots or teleoperation. The other problem is that the economic scale is on a par with a war and probably requires a government to back it.
Finally, cheap fusion or cheap storage of PV will make power satellites hard to justify. PV has reached a ridiculous 1.35 cents a kWh which is half my lowest estimate for power from space.
If we go to direct air capture of CO2, they seem to make sense compared to ground PV. The reason is that steady power reduced the capital cost per ton captured by about 2/3rd.
keith
neither you nor Darel seem to be able to answer the question of what humankind will do with 24/7/365 power?
all energy is useless until it is converted into something else
“neither you nor Darel seem to be able to answer the question of what humankind will do with 24/7/365 power?”
Same things we do with the 15 TW of power from coal, nuclear, natural gas, PV and dams. Except we might use some of it to make hydrocarbon fuels.
Power usage generates waste heat. More power usage => more waste heat. Unlimited power would end up cooking the planet.
“cooking the planet.”
Power satellites release much less waste heat than other sources. Nuclear plants release about 2 GW of waste heat for every GW they put on the grid.
The rectenna for a power satellite puts 85% of the energy in a microwave beam on the grid.
The only problem with your plan Keith is that you make the same mistake everyone else does in working out EROEI. It is not just the ‘launch’ energy you need to repay!! It is also the energy to build all the rockets, and the new factories they were built in, and the energy use of all the workers at every step of the process, and, and, and…
It takes a whole large complex system to make everything you need to get the rockets off the ground which means massive energy expenditure before the first rocket has taken off. Where does this energy come from?? Who misses out on existing energy use for this energy expensive dream??
keith is certain that spending money will deliver the necessary energy
his calculator said so
“you make the same mistake everyone else does in working out EROEI”
In this case, I don’t think so. The launch energy totally dominates the accounting.
I am afraid that some super rich try to attain importance and a cosmic role by re-enacting these prophecies in strange interpretations.
Yes, it’s like this idea of the “third temple” in Jerusalem. People like General Flynn in the US adhere to this Messianic idea. One might think they are crazy or marginal, but *they believe* and so one has to contend with the real fact that they *believe* in something objectively unreal.
Who is to sit on the throne?
Ed, I care less about that than about all the rigamarole and nasty machinations people are going to get up to in service of their wacky ideas.
If we actually knew whose throne to bow down to, that might make it easier for most (but not for me, since I am just a born contrarian).
Is that why Jesus is called the Sun of God….?
Jesus is the Sun God rebranded. Why do you think his birth date is 25th December? that was the first date after the winter solstice that the ancients could perceive that the days were getting very slightly longer. Sol Invictus, The invincible sun.
The 25th was also the end of the Saturnalia festivities when the statue of Saturn in Rome was put back in the chains he wore for the whole year except the Saturnalia.
There’s more to it than that, Withnail. Not lecturing you but this is an add on….The Emperor Constantine adopted Sol Invictus as his patron and had Sol featured predominately on his coinage in the period before his epic battle with upstart Maxentius at the battle of Milvian bridge at the outskirts of Rome
Wikipedia
Some[12] have considered the vision in a solar context (e.g. as a solar halo phenomenon called a sun dog), which may have preceded the Christian beliefs later expressed by Constantine. Coins of Constantine depicting him as the companion of a solar deity were minted as late as 313, the year following the battle. The solar deity Sol Invictus is often pictured with a nimbus or halo. Various emperors portrayed Sol Invictus on their official coinage, with a wide range of legends, only a few of which incorporated the epithet invictus, such as the legend SOLI INVICTO COMITI, claiming the Unconquered Sun as a companion to the emperor, used with particular frequency by Constantine.[13] Constantine’s official coinage continues to bear images of Sol until 325/6. A solidus of Constantine as well as a gold medallion from his reign depict the Emperor’s bust in profile jugate with Sol Invictus, with the legend INVICTUS CONSTANTINUS.[14] The official cults of Sol Invictus and Sol Invictus Mithras were popular amongst the soldiers of the Roman Army.
There’s more to it than that, Withnail. Not lecturing you but this is an add on….The Emperor Constantine adopted Sol Invictus as his patron..
Yes I know all that. It wasn’t particularly relevant to my comment.
Yep, that’s why I alerted you I wasn’t telling you anything new…
Without going all Zeitgeist on you, the age at which Jesus died is a signifier of the Sun. Given the task of defining the exact number of earth-days in a Solar Year the average punter would be stumped. The bible gives the clue and all he need do is count(patiently) the number of days in any 33 year period and then divide by 33…! Viola.
This works as our Sun or Sol Invictus has a longer cycle above the yearly cycle of equinoxes…yes, you guessed it — it’s 33 years long.
Just for fun
religion and mythology
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The number of deities in the Vedic Religion is 33.
The second level of heaven in Buddhism is named Trāyastriṃśa, meaning “of the 33 (gods).”
The number of incarnations the bodhisattva Avalokiteśvara is said to embody
The divine name Elohim appears 33 times in the story of creation in the opening chapters of Genesis.[14]
Lag Ba’omer is a minor Jewish holiday which falls on the 33rd day of the Omer
Jesus’ traditional age when he was crucified and resurrected.[15]
According to Al-Ghazali the dwellers of Heaven will exist eternally in a state of being age 33.[16]
Islamic prayer beads are generally arranged in sets of 33, corresponding to the widespread use of this number in dhikr rituals. Such beads may number 33 in total or three distinct sets of 33 for a total of 99, corresponding to the names of God.
Pope John Paul I, the 33-day pope. One of the shortest reigns in papal history, and it resulted in the most recent three-pope year.
A religious image of the Virgin Mary from the 18th century is known in Uruguay as “Virgen de los Treinta y Tres” (Virgin of the Thirty-Three); it was consecrated by Pope John Paul II in his visit to Uruguay in 1988.
There are several churches dedicated to this Marian devotion, being the most important the Cathedral Basilica of Our Lady of the Thirty-Three in Florida, Uruguay.
33 is a master number in New Age numerology, along with 11 and 22.[17]
There are 33 degrees in Scottish Rite Freemasonry
The House of the Temple, Home of The Supreme Council, 33°, Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in Washington D.C., US, has 33 outer columns which are each 33 feet high.
The Saigoku Kannon Pilgrimage visits 33 Buddhist temples throughout the Kansai region of Japan.
Rupes Nigra, a phantom island was described as having a circumference of 33 “French” miles.
And the temperature water boils
Wikipedia
PS no need to reply…nothing new for what’s his name
And Super Snatch services an average of 33 punters per day with her fester
South Korea wants to embrace mass immigration to offset its 0.7 fertility rate.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/south-korea-set-embrace-mass-migration-avoid-extinction
“Deaths have surpassed births for more than three years in South Korea amid a steady decline in the country’s total fertility rate, the average number of children a woman bears in her lifetime,” reports the Telegraph.
“The rate hit another record low of 0.7 in the second quarter of 2023 – much lower than the replacement level of 2.1 that would keep its population stable at 51 million – stoking further alarm about the social and economic impact of such a rapidly ageing population.”
Um, guess what, all you are doing with mass immigration is saving a social construct called “South Korea.” If you bring in other peoples to populate it, then it becomes a country of other peoples — the native South Koreans are still gone, because they are not reproducing. This is “success”?
What constantly amazes me about the Western declining fertility rate is that no one in a position of authority, i.e., no one whose daily bread is tied to the status quo, ever asks, if modern Western Civ is so great, why is it that none of its inhabitants want to have children? Why is it that, for every country that adopts the Western lifestyle, it ends up being a slow motion suicide pact?
“Why is it that, for every country that adopts the Western lifestyle, it ends up being a slow motion suicide pact?”
Good question. I don’t know all the reasons, but easy availability of birth control is one of them. Times have changed and kids are a massive undertaking when they were not as recently as my childhood. Plus people don’t need children to support them in their old age.
What will happen? It might be that when life extension comes along, the kind that cranks your effective age back to 20, governments will mandate the treatment to save on nursing homes if nothing else. If you think vaccines are controversial . . . .
keith
if i get my life backdated 70 years—will that just be my body—or my mind as well
will i have the body of a 20 years old—but still know what i know now?
That would be paradise indeed, knowing which chat up lines work, and which don’t.
(as i said before keith, i dont read many comments—just yours, Tims, Gails and a few others—yours are the only ones where i have to check the small print on my sanity claus)–or please add a smiley face after kidology comments.
keith
if i get my life backdated 70 years—will that just be my body—or my mind as well
A woman called Sibyl made a terrible mistake along these lines. Being told by a god she could have any wish she wanted, she asked for eternal life. Unfortunately she forgot to also ask for eternal youth.
“if i get my life backdated 70 years—will that just be my body—or my mind as well
will i have the body of a 20 years old—but still know what i know now?”
I presume you will have continuity of memory.
“That would be paradise indeed, knowing which chat up lines work, and which don’t.”
Don’t forget that the women will be regressed in age as well.
oh
i thought it applied to just me
in any event—age has taught me that the prime age for a woman is 45—i didn’t know that when i was 20.
i feel sure that will come in useful when they have this age thing figured out.
i dont suppose i could get maybe 20 years back on account?—just as a test run?—before we go for the full 70?
Depends on what you want from a woman I guess?
“before we go for the full 70?”
Norm, I keep up with this topic the best I can, but I have no idea of when this will happen or even if it will. It’s obvious from first principles of chemistry and physics that full blown nanotechnology will be enough but short of that I don’t know.
There is hundreds of millions of dollars being spent on this subject every year.
Here is a pointer into one group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SENS_Research_Foundation
Does the amount of money poured into a project accurately represent its real value or veracity?
Aging will not be solved by biologists. Broadly speaking, they don’t have the right skillset or intellectual horsepower.
Ha ha ha.
Biologists just harsh the transhumanists’ mellow.
ah cro
youve got it all wrong again.
its all about what the woman wants from YOU–that’s how the magic is made.—not….what you want from a woman
Even if life extension comes along and you get to choose your physical age, whether 20 or 45, there is still the issue, the problem, the dilemma even, of what to do about your psychological, mental and emotional age.
Can you be physically 20 years old with the mind and spirit of a 20-year-old but the continuity of memory of an 80-year old? I doubt this is possible. The continuity of memory is a big part of what makes us old in our outlook, along with the scars, the traumas, the painful knowledge of one’s mistakes, the nostalgia…. You’ll never get back the sheer innocence, the hubris, the passion, the ambition, or the joie de vivre of youth.
Robert Heinlein touch on this issue in his novel Time Enough for Love. The main protagonist, 2,000-year-old Lazarus Long, hadn’t been rejuvenated in a long time, was on his last legs, and just wanted to be left to die. But when the medics in the hospital where he had been brought to found out that he was “the Ancestor”, they knew they had to try to save him, and so they coerced him to undergo the rejuvenation process again, and while he was recuperating he noted that as his replacement organs began to make him feel younger and healthier, his enthusiasm for life began to return as well.
But would that happen in “real life”?
I can agree with Norman that the prime age for a woman is 45, or in order to be fair to all the 44- and 46-year-olds out there, that the forties is the decade when women come into full bloom. But that’s the view I have as a man in his sixties. I wouldn’t expect a man in his 20s to agree with that view. Although there are exceptions to every rule, such as Emmanuel Macron, who seems to have been well aware from an early time that there are far more important considerations to be taken into account when appraising a woman than her age.
at 20 i was unaware of that tim—such a shame.—being hit by a 45 yr old train is an experience not to be missed
as to 80 yr old memory—my life is filled with people called wassname.
still—keith seems to be certain of the future on the age thing—i only hope they get to me before its too late
or do you think resurrection is on the cards too?—An attractive 45 yr old screaming omigod omigod —might be something to look forward to.
“still—keith seems to be certain of the future on the age thing—”
Hardly Norm, I am not certain at all. Ray Kurzweil is more optimistic but his estimate is 2030. I am not about to give up my cryonics contract (and neither is Ray).
“i only hope they get to me before its too late”
If you are serious (and have the resources) sign up for cryonics. The technology need to de-age people and recover people from suspension are similar if not the same.
Keith
Your comments amuse me every morning. At my age i need a reason not to give up on life.–or for that matter, to get out of bed. (i can still do that without assistance.)
“technology needed to de-age”—-where dyou buy the christmas crackers that contain this information?
When you’ve reached your allotted span—that’s it, game over.
The future scares me enough as it itis—my g grandkids won’t have the resources i had, i dont want to see the endgame of that. tyvm—there will be no asteroid mines to supply what i had in my youth.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I was not aware that anyone has been recovered from cryo-suspension?
it is 50 years since the first one.
The first one died of liver cancer….you can now get a liver translant
So why isnt he defrosted and given a new lease of life?—Can’t be done keith—your cryo-ticket is one way i’m afraid.
It’s not a matter of being smart, just reading the data sheets.
Yes, Kevlar and a couple of others are strong enough. Kevlar has a problem in that UV eats it up.
“intends to mine the moon.”
I don’t expect this to happen for a while, but someone is thinking ahead.
“smelt with a bit of fusion”
Maybe, but solar looks to be the way to get energy or process heat in space. There was concern for a long time about boil off from whatever you are heating wrecking your concentration mirrors. A solution emerged from a lengthy conversation on the net. Bunch of fast moving vanes that swat the slow moving boil off atoms out of the light path.
“Have heard rumors Chinese are interested in the S. pole of the moon, probably nothing there. ”
It is believed on the basis of a vehicle NASA crashed near the south pole that the shaded areas have water in them. Valuable stuff on the moon.
Personally, I don’t think much of trying to mine the moon. Valuable stuff is sparse. I think asteroids will be more profitable.
A week ago between Flagstaff and Winslow it got very cold and a rail snapped. If we were mining metal asteroids (10% nickel) we could make rails out of Invar, a 35% nickel alloy that has a very low coefficient of expansion.
but keith
fetching rail metal form the asteroid belt defies the (practical) imagination,
remaking and re-laying those rails on existing trackbeds is yet another leap
then by inference you demand yet another—where would we (and why) travel to and from here on Earth?
“travel to and from here on Earth?
Why do we do it now?
excluding liesure travel
we do it now in order to convert one energy form into another
the train full of grain transports it to be milled into flour–then into bread—which we then consume after more travel
a train full of coal transports it to power stations–ditto ditto above
same applies to people and jobs.–we travel to create wages.
if there are no raw material available for trains to carry–trains will cease to run—and the costof getting rails from the far side of mars is, to put it mildly—bonkers.
“the cost of getting rails”
Obviously you don’t do it if the cost is higher than making rails on Earth. As far as moving stuff in space, mining an asteroid makes a lot of iron powder that can be used as reaction mass. Alternately, have you ever heard of solar sails? They use light pressure to move.
keith
sailing requires the vessel to be pushed alby the wid—ie solar force from the sun behind you
how will that work getting back?
and why am i asking daft questions like this?
“sailing requires the vessel to be pushed alby the wid—ie solar force from the sun behind you”
Solar sails work by light pressure. 9 N per square km.
“how will that work getting back?”
You tilt the sail to slow down your orbital speed and are pulled down by gravity from the Sun.
“and why am i asking daft questions like this?
Right, you could just go here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail
hkh, when people who’ve conventionally contracted for cremation end up chucked out in the back forty because the funeral home would rather not pay the gas bill….
What makes you think anyone is going to carefully cherish your worldly remains for more than the ten seconds it takes for the ink to dry on your hosting contract?
What makes you think that -in the best of circumstances- your freezer-burned corpse is going to be of interest to anyone in resuscitating? First they will go for the least freezer-burned, no?
What makes you think that human material of any kind is PRECIOUS to anyone in the future? And that your human material in particular is more precious than most others?
Seriously, dude.
Get a grip.
“interest to anyone in resuscitating”
A bunch of my friends are in suspension, including a couple of ones who are very famous in the technical circles. If by some chance I don’t need it, I will be most interested in getting them back on their feet.
“ten seconds it takes for the ink to dry ”
and “Seriously, dude.”
“James Hiram Bedford (April 20, 1893 – January 12, 1967) was an American psychology professor at the University of California who wrote several books on occupational counseling.[1] He is the first person whose body was cryopreserved after legal death, and remains preserved at the Alcor Life Extension Foundation.
Wikipedia.
There is lots more on the net various places.
It might not work, but it is the best we can do.
Tim, my question is why do people always want things to be other than they are?
“Plus people don’t need children to support them in their old age.”
Keith, who does the work? It is always demographics, perhaps it is the fabric of the universe which dictates replacement is cheaper than repair.
Dennis L.
There is a myth that somehow the tax system can work to provide adequate benefits in old age, even if people don’t have many children. The story is ridiculous. There is also the issue of resources per capita needing to be high enough.
““Plus people don’t need children to support them in their old age.”
“Keith, who does the work? ”
I should have clarified that. Supporting the old has been shifted from family to the larger society. As Gail points out, that may fail.
“It is always demographics, perhaps it is the fabric of the universe which dictates replacement is cheaper than repair.”
Could be, but I don’t know of physics/chemistry fundamentals that make a case in this direction. There *are* living things that are immortal, witness the Boston Ivy in my backyard.
Keith—you know i like to give you comments a fair consderation
If you dont add a ‘sarc’ symbol–i can only take them at face value
no living thing is immortal
Maybe AI will look after me in my old age (not there yet)—if so, can i specify her dimensions and preferences please?
a 45yo nymphomaniac would be ideal—how long would it take to defrost one?
We are dissipative structures. Our bodies can’t last indefinitely.
“We are dissipative structures. Our bodies can’t last indefinitely.”
The atoms don’t ware out. True, it will take energy to keep them where we want them, but the amount is trivial.
If we upload (a prospect that I am not entirely happy about) then the information that is our essence can move from one kind of hardware to another without any clear limits.
keith
uploading
your comments get more bizarre with each round
“more bizarre with each round”
Common topics for the Extropians of the early 1990s. You are just behind the times.
https://www.ft.com/content/14123e16-25ab-45f1-912d-34ffcf0c8177
Madhumita Murgia
We’re going to start off today’s episode with somebody named Anders Sandberg.
Anders Sandberg
I’m senior research fellow at the Future of Humanity Institute at the University of Oxford. And I’m somewhat of a futurist, somewhat of a philosopher ideal with questions about the emerging technologies, the big risks to humanity, what we can say about the long-term future.
Madhumita Murgia
For some people, people like Sandberg, the development of powerful AI isn’t just about creating a useful technological tool. They see it as the key to the evolution of the human species. Sandberg calls himself an extropian.
Anders Sandberg
So extropian is a version of transhumanism, which is a wider term for the idea that the human condition is great but we could probably use technology to make it even better — extend our lives, become smarter, make our bodies fit our own visions, etc.
^^^^^’
I have known Anders for ages. Stayed with him when I had to be near Oxford for a meeting with Reaction Engines. He is one of the sharpest people I ever met. Works down the hall from Eric Drexler. (I have two patents with Drexler.)
keith
yesterday, i repeated your intimation that the human race was about to evolve into a different and superior species.
you denied having any such notions
yet here we are
extolling the sameload of cosdwallop that you rejected yesterday:
/////For some people, people like Sandberg, the development of powerful AI isn’t just about creating a useful technological tool. They see it as the key to the evolution of the human species. Sandberg calls himself an extropian.
Anders Sandberg
So extropian is a version of transhumanism, which is a wider term for the idea that the human condition is great but we could probably use technology to make it even better — extend our lives, become smarter, make our bodies fit our own visions, etc. ///////
That outdoes you for bonkersness keith.
Anders seems wedded to his calculator—as you are.
Thanks for including all that—it reinforces my certainty that apparent academic accolades are no deterrent to spouting utter BS
I have no scientific background whatsoever.—I read the above, and realise I know more without it.
“yesterday, i repeated your intimation that the human race was about to evolve into a different and superior species.”
It’s partly a matter of definition. The way a species evolves is by selection. We have discussed this in relation to Gregory Clark’s work where for something like 40 generations the wealthy in the UK left twice as many children as the poor. (For the most part, the children of the poor starved in the frequent famines.) This is evolution, genetic selection in favor of the wealthy and against the poor. (Actually in favor of the genes for psychological traits that gave people ambition and ability.)
“you denied having any such notions”
I doubt selection of the natural kind will play a significant role in the future unless we are talking about a massive collapse.
Now I think it is possible that children will be gene edited, but that is not natural selection. On the other hand, things are moving so fast that there may not be time for an edited generation. I just don’t know.
yet here we are
extolling the sameload of cosdwallop that you rejected yesterday:
/////For some people, people like Sandberg, the development of powerful AI isn’t just about creating a useful technological tool. They see it as the key to the evolution of the human species. Sandberg calls himself an extropian.
Anders Sandberg
So extropian is a version of transhumanism, which is a wider term for the idea that the human condition is great but we could probably use technology to make it even better — extend our lives, become smarter, make our bodies fit our own visions, etc. ///////
“That outdoes you for bonkersness keith.”
I have clearly stated that I am not a leader in this world. “bonkers” to you is considered to be advanced thinking in the technological world by the people who will affect the future.
“Anders seems wedded to his calculator—as you are.”
Lots of calculations here:
https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.02404
Dissolving the Fermi Paradox
Anders Sandberg, Eric Drexler, Toby Ord
The Fermi paradox is the conflict between an expectation of a high {\em ex ante} probability of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe and the apparently lifeless universe we in fact observe. The expectation that the universe should be teeming with intelligent life is linked to models like the Drake equation, which suggest that even if the probability of intelligent life developing at a given site is small, the sheer multitude of possible sites should nonetheless yield a large number of potentially observable civilizations. We show that this conflict arises from the use of Drake-like equations, which implicitly assume certainty regarding highly uncertain parameters. We examine these parameters, incorporating models of chemical and genetic transitions on paths to the origin of life, and show that extant scientific knowledge corresponds to uncertainties that span multiple orders of magnitude. This makes a stark difference. When the model is recast to represent realistic distributions of uncertainty, we find a substantial {\em ex ante} probability of there being no other intelligent life in our observable universe, and thus that there should be little surprise when we fail to detect any signs of it. This result dissolves the Fermi paradox, and in doing so removes any need to invoke speculative mechanisms by which civilizations would inevitably fail to have observable effects upon the universe.
^^^^^^
I should add that the Tabby’s Star observations (if they are aliens) have shot this paper in the foot.
“Thanks for including all that—it reinforces my certainty that apparent academic accolades are no deterrent to spouting utter BS”
I am sure that’s what they said about Copernicus.
“I have no scientific background whatsoever.—I read the above, and realise I know more without it.”
If you have not paid any attention to what has been going on for the past few decades, I can see that trying to understand even the outline may be beyond you.
“a 45yo nymphomaniac would be ideal”
“after thinking about it, she warmed up her body and moved her consciousness back into her original brain. Her boyfriend was deep in a game and would not come along. (She had a boyfriend because the older man her parents expected to marry her to had lost interest after asking for and being given half a dozen simulated concubines.)”
yup keith
been there—done that
got the bumper sticker
I should have cited, the quote is out of The Clinic Seed.
Good. We can send them half of desperately poor, illiterate Central America.
If Korea would look at European countries, it would figure out what could go wrong.
The South Korean elite are worried that the North Koreans will outbreed them and take over the joint. That consideration may be clouding their judgment.
The owning class needs workers. It does not matter what nationality they are.
The police in Slovakia currently fights this type of fraud:
DeepL Translate:
“A well-known scenario, in this case with a happy ending. A frightened pensioner got into a taxi driver’s car to take her to the bank. She had cash in an envelope with her, but needed more. Her son had crashed, hit a child and was in hospital. To avoid ending up in jail, she needed to pay.
The scammers contacted a pensioner from Bratislava, who was manipulated with a story about a traffic accident. They even called her a taxi to take her to the bank to get money. However, taxi driver Martin suspected that all would not be church-order. He began to question the woman about the details. When she said that a doctor from the hospital had called, it was clear to him that it was a scam, tvnoviny.sk noticed. His prompt reaction and action with the police were caught by the camera he had in the taxi.”
https://spravy.pravda.sk/regiony/clanok/691608-podvodnici-to-skusali-opat-uspory-zene-zachranil-taxikar/?utm_source=pravda&utm_medium=hp-box&utm_campaign=shp_9clanok_box
The story based on the son-mother relationship of this Carpathian country is reflected also in the cult of Our Lady of Seven Sorrows, which was spread by the Franciscan monks.
https://enrsi.rtvs.sk/articles/so-slovak/338079/holiday-our-lady-of-seven-sorrows
https://slovakia.travel/en/national-pilgrimage-to-our-lady-of-seven-sorrows-in-sastin
https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedembolestn%C3%A1_Panna_M%C3%A1ria
Here in South Florida we have many types of fraud of the elderly
Miami-Dade doctor’s receptionist is facing charges after authorities said she exploited an elderly patient, accessing the victim’s bank funds and moving in with him in a scheme to steal and sell his Coconut Grove home.
Nerelis Leiva, 45, is facing charges including exploitation of the elderly, grand theft of a person 65 or older, organized scheme to defraud, criminal use of personal identification information of a person 60 or older, and unlawfully filing a false document, Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle said Tuesday.
…The victim’s partner died about a month later, and shortly after, Leiva moved in with the victim, bringing her partner and child to live in his home, Fernandez Rundle said.
“This was done with the intent of taking over the victim’s home and his assets,” Fernandez Rundle said. “Unfortunately there weren’t protections or procedures in place that could have alerted anyone to the scam this woman was perpetrating against these victims.”
In December 2021, Leiva was added as a joint tenant with rights of survivorship to the victim’s home, which he’d owned since May of 1987 and was valued at over $2 million, meaning she received automatic ownership of the property upon his death, Fernandez Rundle said.
In February 2022, Leiva hired Benet, who notarized a power of attorney, revoked a last will and testament, and notarized a new last will and testament, Fernandez Rundle said.
Fernandez Rundle said Benet was a “full partner” in the scheme and knew the victim wasn’t capable of understanding what was happening.
NBC News Channel 6 Miami
In the era of scarcity, the children will rob their parents that thought that the children will be their support and taught the children all the tricks regarding easy money acquisition. That is the irony of the limits.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/plhDCeunTBrP/
“REPUBLICAN DEBATE – WHAT YOU DIDN’T SEE!!!”
https://www.bitchute.com/video/plhDCeunTBrP/
What was cut out was a long response by Vivek Ramaswamy to a question about the nation’s response to the covid vaccine situation. Vivek pointed out the it was the Reagan administration that gave the pharmaceutical industry exemption from liability, in the search for greater profitability. It is the fact that regulators, lobbyists and government workers go back and forth from these various roles that causes so much corruption in government.
Vivek says “We need basic principles that end the corruption in government.” He also says, “Capitalism and democracy should not share the same bed.” We need to repeal the exemption of the pharmaceutical industry from liability. We need to pass laws stopping the movement back and forth of workers from the industry to lobbying to government roles.
– – –
The write-ups I saw about the video talked about how well Nikki Haley did, and nothing about what Vivek Ramaswamy said.
How good of you to post this here… what a glimpse into the inner workings of the machine.
This is all orchestrated… they are playing with the mob…
If they did not want that to be seen it would not be seen…
+ all TEEv is controlled by the PR team … it is all fake.
Important information about Scotland’s wind turbines:
https://twitter.com/newstart_2024/status/1733907600159236403
Apparently, a whistleblower has revealed they are clandestinely hooked up to diesel generators.
Is this a wind up? 🙂
Nice!
“During December 60 turbines at Arecleoch and 11 at Glenn App were de-energised due to a cabling fault originating at Mark Hill wind farm. In order to get these turbines re-energised diesel generators were running for upwards of six hours a day.
The whistleblower also claimed there had been other technical issues and environmental problems discovered. They include:
Turbines left operating on half power for long periods due to faulty convertor modules.
Others in “test mode” where they take rather than contribute electricity to the grid.
Over 4000 litres of oil leaked from hydraulic units on turbines and sprayed over the countryside.
Concerns about safety standards and transparency.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/dozens-scottish-power-wind-turbines-29135763
one of those ‘secrets’ where too many peiople would be involved to keep it secret for longer than 5 minutes
its on “X”—which says it all–make up anything about anything and put it on ex-twitter
run by a guy who has allowed Alex Jones back on the platform.
now you know why major advertisers are jumping ship
It’s one of the ‘secrets’ where nobody says anything publicly because they don’t want to become a ‘whistleblower’, get sacked, and never be employed ever again.
In the real world it happens a lot.
X has to allow Alex back in order for Alex to fire up the nation to vote for Donald, so he can make America, if not exactly great again, then at least credible and viable for a little bit longer.
Ironic, isn’t it, that grifters, hoaxers and carnival barkers are America’s last hope?
yes Tim—that is the really scary part.
but the USA has been a nation created out of excess, with the certainty that such excess is infinite.
that is pretty much what the carnival barker does, if you stop to think about it—sells to the crowd, who have come there eager to be fooled.
The Don has stated clearly how he intends to govern if/when he gets in again, and gullible fools will fall for it. It’s looking scariliy likely that he will get in again.
Ive made my forecasts already about what will happen if he does. I just hope I’m wrong.
I ran across this article from February:
Wind Farms Busted Using Diesel Power To Keep Warm
https://wakeupwyo.com/wind-farm-busted-using-diesel-power-to-keep-warm/
This new Netflix doomsday movie is getting a ton of attention!
I hear the Obamas produced it.
As I wrote a month ago……
Predictive programming in action.
Santa Klause is comin..
“We have the Stupidest People in Government in History”
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/govt-incompetence/we-have-the-stupidest-people-in-government-in-history/
Yes, one point I’ve always found non sense with the mRna experiment has been that US decided to weaken its army. Actually US is an empire waging war to (or threatening to wage war to) other Countries.
Therefore it would need operative people in good health…
This is interestin’.
RTV Reports Roberto Speranza, the Italian Health Minister during the time of COVID measures is under investigation by the Rome Public Prosecutor’s Office based on leaked emails that they are aware of the dangers of the COVID vaccination from the start. The accusation is that the responsible minister and the head of the drug authority knowingly and deliberately exposed the unsuspecting Italian population to this risk.
The Rome Public Prosecutor’s Office is investigating Roberto Speranza, the Italian government’s Health Minister during the time of COVID measures. He was responsible for the vaccination campaign. The investigations are the result of complaints related to the so-called AIFA emails from the Italian Medicines Agency. The former director of AIFA, Nicola Magrini, is also under investigation. The publication of these internal emails revealed that they had been aware of the dangers of the COVID vaccination from the start. The accusation is that the responsible minister and the head of the drug authority knowingly and deliberately exposed the unsuspecting Italian population to this risk. Yes, they encouraged Italians to get vaccinated. Vaccination was even made mandatory for certain professional groups. Consequently, many side effects, including fatal ones, came to light. The investigations are for murder, serious bodily harm, and more, because Speranza and Magrini evidently gave instructions to the local health authorities, to conceal the deaths and serious side effects that occurred immediately after the vaccinations began, in order not to jeopardize the vaccination campaign and to reassure the citizens about their safety. The responsible minister and the head of AIFA are now expected to answer for these actions, according to the complainants from the police unions and the financial police, as well as from the private organization Listen to Me, which represents 4,200 people damaged by vaccines. In Italy, police officers and teachers were subjected to mandatory COVID vaccination.
https://twitter.com/_aussie17/status/1734052271816626324
Hello Tim, yes we are following that here, but no one has any hope of it.
I can put my hand of the fire, like ancient Roman Muzio Scevola, that nothing will happen out of this.
Speranza is a protégé of the great European Master Planner Mario Draghi.
Husband says Speranza is a communist, more the son of Franceschini than Draghi, but is anyways “inculato” by everyone, and will “gallegiare” (float) no matter what (kind of like Fauci in the US).
Agreed nothing will happen.
Michelin and Goodyear wind up in Germany because of energy costs .
https://brusselssignal.eu/2023/11/tired-of-rising-energy-costs-michelin-and-goodyear-to-pull-out-of-germany/
The deindustrialization of Germany continues .
https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1732761492070482073/photo/1
A thing of beauty
I see that they think energy costs in Poland will be lower. I don’t know about that.
I read somewhere else that a lot of industry is moving from Germany to Serbia. Gas available from Russia and lower wages.
Those are the consequences of being a US vassal. As Henry Kissenger once said: “To be an enemy of America is dangerous but to be its friend is fatal”.
They had relatively cheap or cheaper energy from Russia but decided to take sides with the USA. That has proved fatal, to their economy.
That has proved fatal, to their economy.
And it’s only getting started. Imagine it in 5 years.
“The collapse of the energy-intensive industry in Germany deepens, with Sept 2023 setting a new low, according to official data released today.”
Many may already understand the ” cascading effect ” but still I will explain . Example V/W cuts production by 200,000 cars . What is the effect on the tire manufacturer ? Answer . He has to cut his production by 5 x 200000 = 1,000,000 . Now try this . Each car (petrol , diesel and EV ) have components in the steering system called ball joints and tie rods . Each car has 8 pcs minimum . The supplier must cut production by 8 x 200000= 1.6 million . OEM business is cutthroat and for the suppliers the breakeven point is 70% . When they loose about 20-25% of their orders they will also shutdown . I have only given a tier 1 supplier as an example . Spread it down to tier 2 which are the forging , castings , etc supplier to the tier 1 companies . Then go to tier 3 , the steel , fabric ( seats ) , plastic etc suppliers all of whom are going to get into trouble . As said Yul Bryner in The Ten Commandments ” So shall it be written and so shall it be done ” . Bankruptcy is a one way street .
Overhead needs to be spread over fewer and fewer manufactured goods, pushing companies toward bankruptcy. As you said, Bankruptcy is a one way street.”
I will illustrate with a real life example . In 2009 GM filed for bankruptcy . Obama had to personally intercede with the unions and the banks to give it a lifeline . What actually happened ? GM , Ford and Chrysler have common suppliers for several components . The reason is that these components were designed, devolped by the vendors on request and the vendors hold the patents for these ,hence they hold a monoply status . Some companies I know GKN for drive shafts , Valeo for clutch systems . Borg Warner for transmissions etc . Bankruptcy of GM would mean that these companies would have orders only from Ford and Chrysler . These orders would not be enough to even meet the breakeven point , so they would also face bankruptcy . Bankruptcy of these major vendors would herald in thee bankruptcy of Ford and Chrysler and it would be the end of the automotive industry . Obama had no choice . A small hole can sink a big ship . 🙂
Chris Evert diagnosed w/ cancer; Kate Micucci’s lung cancer surgery; Hillary Farr’s cancer leads her to quit show; NFL’s Jane Slater’s mother “battling cancer”; Deavan Clegg’s 4-year-old has leukemia
Scarlett Fernandez (“General Hospital”) has a “non-ossifying fibroma” removed from her right ankle; “Jamie Spears, Britney Spears’ father, has leg amputated after serious infection”
https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/chris-evert-diagnosed-w-cancer-kate
Doesnt navratalova have cancer too? what are the odds….
Madonna is old! It was the vaccine!
Madonna died in 1999.
Botox overdose?
Lol! Tim, you are often quite funny & I do appreciate it. This blog leads one down so many roads. When Withnail, of all people, made a Madonna crack, I went & read about Madonna. OFW has range!
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/vaccine/vaccines-can-be-an-undisclosed-risk/
“‘Perfectly Healthy’ 15-Month-Old Girl Dies Two Days After Routine Vaccination”
hahaha https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/perfectly-healthy-15-month-old-girl-dies-two-days-after-routine-vaccination-5537400
Now that must have been a shock to the parents!!! And if they complain they are – antivaxxers!!!
Best Strategy Ever.
After reading all chapters of https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/the-silent-killers I determined that I would never take another vax. For the most part they are not needed… the diseases are not that bad and can be cured… also the odds of getting any of the diseases are next to zero … and most likely the vaxxes do nothing to protect you anyway…
But in the off chance some of them do — they are never risk free
Let me let you in on a little secret — f789 all vaxxes. Let the MOREONS take them. Let the MOREONS be the canon fodder… that’s what MOREONS are for! Who cares if they blow themselves up… let them suffer with the side effects.
Cuz if the vaxxes work … and the MOREONS take them — they will create herd immunity … and you get all the benefits without the risks…
All the benefits – ZERO risk!!!
Now imagine when the vet yesterday asked me if I am anti-vax… and I explained my position on vaxxes as above…..
How do you reckon he’d react to that?
I betcha he’d think Fast Eddy is a vile SOB… a selfish prick…. a menace to society…
He’d probably call the Asylum (the same one where anna is entombed?) ‘hello Asylum? is that the Asylum? I want to report a criminally insane mastermind who is dangerous. He has had no covid Rat Juice and he insists on never taking any of the other fine flavours of Rat Juice we have on offer. Yes please send The Men with the Straitjacket… and bring the tranquilizer gun… he looks like he might be ornery…. I’ll sign off on an order to lock him up forever…
anna banana… would you like to share a padded cell???????
Hey I heard there are a lot of sharks in WA… is one allowed to collect the carcasses of dead Vaxxers … and chum the water with them … and fire upon the sharks with a High Powered Rifle from a boat???
I was thinking of a start up … just for something to keep me busy… and make a few $$$s… I’d franchise it up and down the coast….
I was thinking of offering a VIP package — all you can snort Bolivian + an AK47… and you get to fire away into a feeding frenzy…. F789 Yeah! I almost feel like an Ameri-cun!!!
Americun Shark Shooting Expeditions
3 stories in one post… do you feel like you got your money’s worth?
No norm we don’t want to offer sessions with SSS as part of the VIP Package even though we know you could use the p.imp commissions to buy diapers… that would result in a F. Fail for the startup
Chrissy Evert case …runs in her family that type of cancer…genetic .
Evert’s sister, Jeanne, died of ovarian cancer following a two-year illness. Chris Evert underwent a preventative hysterectomy after learning she carried the BRCA gene mutation. Cancer was uncovered in her resected Fallopian tubes in 2022.[52][53] In May 2022, it was reported that Evert had completed chemotherapy treatment for her ovarian cancer. She stated her doctor told her there was a 90% chance the cancer would never return due to it being diagnosed early. [54] In December 2023, she announced she had been diagnosed with a recurrence of cancer and is undergoing treatment again. [55][56] Wikipedia
Plus she is 69
But it came back… and we know the vaxxes can do that…
I take comfort in assuming she f789ed herself
Cancers tend to do that Eddie…after all she’s old
Between this and the cancer numbers … I am so delighted!!
https://t.me/EdwardDowdReal/490
Delighted?
D-lighted by the D-moralization!!!!!
It must be D Moralizing for the MOREONS when they or a friend or family members… is struck down at such a young age… and they have no idea why hahahaha…
It’s like that line in Idiocracy … they are starving cuz the crops are wilting and the MOREON guy says – have you tried watering them….
Hey MOREONS… ya’ll are dying cuz Rat Juice… Do you make Fast Eddy your king for offering up this wisdom?
Id-iots
have you tried watering them….
Water? Like in the toilet?
Last night I watched “Playing for time” on YouTube. It is a superb and horrific TV film of 1980, which tells the true story of Fania Fenelon’s experiences in Auschwitz. From Wikipedia:
“Fania Fenelon was a French pianist, composer and cabaret singer whose 1976 memoir about survival in the Women’s Orchestra of Auschwitz during the Holocaust was adapted as the 1980 television film, Playing for Time. During the Second World War, she joined the French Resistance in 1940 until her arrest and deportation to Auschwitz-Birkenau, where she was a pianist and soprano in the Women’s Orchestra of Auschwitz, then to Bergen-Belsen, until she was freed in 1945.”
Seeing the film made me look up the entry on top camp guard Maria Mandl. Sala Feder, a prisoner in Auschwitz, recalled:
“In my block [Block 15], 700 women were chosen out of 1,000; in the whole camp (that is, in lager A, where we stayed in the so-called quarantine), Mandl selected several thousand women, and all of them – naked – were crammed into one block, number 25, where they stayed for seven days and nights without food or water. On the night of 27 September, they were transported to the crematorium.
For the period of these seven days, we heard horrible screams and groans issuing from that block, and when the women were taken to the crematorium, the block elder, a Slovakian woman named Cyla, told us that after those seven days there were more corpses than living people in that block, and that almost all of them had bitten fingers and breasts and plucked out eyes.
During these seven days, if any prisoner wanted to carry water or some food to that block, she was arrested there and perished along with the rest. The above-described selection was carried by the defendant Mandl in person, with the help from kapos: Stenia, Leo and Maria, all of them cruel and used to torturing the prisoners in a horrible manner.”
Truly horrific stuff.
we know all that stuff happened zemi—and worse.
what was your point in copy/pasting all the detaiuls?
To show the horrors that might be coming our way. Everybody knows what caused all that – the Great Depression and not enough to go around.
Do watch “Playing for time”, though, it’s a superb film. It captures the chaos and the horror without showing you anything too gruesome. The air raids made me think of a hobby forum pal, a Ukrainian who lives in Zaporizhzhia and describes how he lives with the air raids.
“bitten fingers and breasts and plucked out eyes”
I find this highly implausible. What makes you think it is true? It sounds a lot like other lurid over-the-top claims, like the masturbation machines. They have quite the imagination.
If you had no food or drink for a week and were crushed up against all those other bodies, don’t you think it would drive you mad? I read plenty about the behaviour of some of the members of THAT when I was younger, so this doesn’t really surprise me. They had the permission of the state to indulge in mass sadism, and there are always plenty who are pleased to do so.
Well, I’ve fasted for two weeks, and never had the urge to pluck anyone’s eyeballs out or bite anyone’s breasts. This is where these people don’t do themselves any favors with their histrionics. Most of what they say is lies (see Wiesel, Kosinski).
Why would work camps have swimming pools and orchestras on the one hand, and then not give people water? It makes no sense. The US, sadly, had detention camps, too, but nobody plucked each others’ eyes out, or bit each others’ breasts (this sexualization is a particular hallmark).
Why would they tattoo people they were just going to kill? Why would they transfer people to three and four “death” camps (Blinken’s story). It makes no sense.
I think you are very gullible.
“Well, I’ve fasted for two weeks”
Oh, come on! Fasted, voluntarily! Have you tried going without water for a whole week?
Trouble is, you expect everybody to be as decent as you are. Se * ual sadism is rife among bad people and is always used in authoritarian and totalitarian dictatorships, and also in military dictatorships. It’s a very fast way to demoralise and break your victims.
I saw a photo from the Second World War of a Serb woman with no eyeballs or eyelids, with the laughing Croat men who had done it standing around her. Another photo showed teenage Croats in military uniform, smilingly sitting on a Serb male of similar age as they began sawing through his neck. The restrained Serb has an expression of sheer terror on his face. And don’t you remember the reports of the Yugoslav wars in the 1990s? You really need to educate yourself about these things. I think you are very gullible.
“Why would work camps have swimming pools and orchestras on the one hand, and then not give people water?”
Read carefully. They denied food and water only to those they intended to kill a week later. No doubt it amused the guards to do so.
I expect the swimming pools were only for the staff. The orchestras provided a perverted sense of ceremony. Prisoners were played in and then played to as they went to their deaths – all part of the warped mentality of the concentration camp staff.
“Why would they tattoo people they were just going to kill?”
They didn’t tattoo those who arrived and were selected for immediate death. The remainder were tattooed and were generally worked to death, but some survived for months or years.
As for Blinken’s story, I’ve never heard about it.
I’m trying to find out about a female member of the Baader-Meinhof terrorist group. I’ve looked at the names, and I’m pretty sure it’s Gabriele Kröcher-Tiedemann. I saw some film, a drama documentary, and a female terrorist wields a gun (is it a machine-gun?) and starts shooting mercilessly. Up comes her name on the screen: Gabriele Kröcher-Tiedemann. Can anybody name this film? I’m trying to find it again.
(Kyv independent)
“Zelensky attends Milei’s inauguration, meets with Latin American leaders in Argentina”
On this kind of connection we must admit that drb said something weeks ago..
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelensky-attends-milei-s-inauguration-meets-with-latin-american-leaders-in-argentina/ar-AA1lhTWD
Argentina is a country singled out be Jeffrey David Sachs in a video linked to by Mirror as being a country that has a terrible record of unstable money supply. They have been through multiple hyperinflations, according to him. No one trusts Argentina’s money. It is ironic that Zelensky would choose Argentina to visit.
https://ourfiniteworld.com/2023/11/22/running-short-of-tailwinds-for-the-economy/comment-page-10/#comment-445682
Maybe Zelensky is inquiring about availability of remote, luxury real estate high in the Andes?
This is somehow in line with what drb anticipated.
(Haaretz)
“Here’s What Happened to the Fantasy of a Jewish Autonomy in Argentina
The area was known as ‘Jerusalem of Argentina.’ Some hoped that Moises Ville would become the hub of an autonomous Jewish district”
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/americas/2018-10-24/ty-article-magazine/.premium/what-happened-to-the-fantasy-of-a-jewish-autonomy-in-argentina/0000017f-dc6f-db22-a17f-fcffb9230000
https://archive.ph/tFD9k
About the meeting:
https://www.jta.org/2023/12/10/global/javier-milei-cites-hanukkah-story-gives-menorah-to-zelensky-during-inauguration-as-argentinas-president
I don’t have other elements, maybe someone can say something.
Surely the land of Argentina now is not so expensive to buy.
MSM was certainly going for the jugular ahead of the election with piquant innuendo – former tantric sex coach, trained his sister to communicate with a cloned dog, even … Trump admirer!!
Wavering judaic convert – that swung the vote, indeed
He certainly doesn’t appear to me to be cultivating an appetising image, in fact he looks more like an insane hypnotist
strategic-culture.su/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/GAIFFh3XIAAMqmC.jpg
zoom in and look at his eyes
Heart Failure Among Pilots Up 1000% in 2022. New data from the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) indicates a significant increase in heart issues among pilots, with heart failure spiking nearly 1,000% in 2022. In addition to serious cardiovascular issues, the Pentagon saw significant spikes in numerous ailments well beyond their five-year averages including hypertension (2,181%), neurological disorders (1,048%), multiple sclerosis (680%), Guillain-Barre syndrome (551%), breast cancer, (487%), female infertility (472%), pulmonary embolism (468%), migraines (452%), ovarian dysfunction (437%), testicular cancer (369%), and tachycardia (302%). Heart-related ailments have soared over the past 5 years as well including hypertension (36%), ischemic heart disease (69%), pulmonary heart disease (62%), heart failure (973%), cardiomyopathy (152%), and other non-specified heart diseases (63%).
good luck on your flight to WA!
2024 gonna be exciting, ain’t it?
Couldn’t he take a boat?
It would be a fitting end to the Great Adventure if the pilot seized up and they were unable to pry him off the controls and the plane slammed into the ocean.
+ one avoids Global Holodomor…
That would be a great shame.
What with you being one of the few people looking forward to that apocalyptic event.
How long will it take FE to become disillusioned Australia?
A year max.
2024 gonna be exciting, ain’t it?
I doubt it.
Nearly 5m households to face even higher mortgage costs, says Bank of England. Almost five million UK homeowners are still set to see their mortgage repayments jump by hundreds of pounds over the next three years, as rising interest rates have heightened risks in the global financial markets, the Bank of England has said. About half of mortgage holders have moved to a new fixed-rate deal since interest rates started rising in late 2021, amounting to more than five million households. But a further five million homeowners are still due to face higher borrowing costs by the end of 2026, the FPC said in its latest Financial Stability Report. The latest analysis also showed that the proportion of households’ incomes spent on mortgage payments is set to rise to 9% by the end of 2026, from 6.8% earlier this year.
As inflation continues to surge… the markets are expecting a rate cut… what happens if they do the opposite???? Cuz no choice
This sounds like the debt repayment problem of US commercial real estate, and in fact, commercial real estate everywhere.
My impression is that home mortgage rates that are locked in for 30 years is very much a US phenomenon. The catch is that the “value” of these loans falls on the books of whichever institution is holding these loans, as the interest rate rise because funds invested in short term treasuries would earn a higher rate. I don’t know which institutions (or pension plans) hold this debt.
Moody’s Cuts China Credit Outlook to Negative on Rising Debt. Moody’s lowered its outlook to negative from stable while retaining a long-term rating of A1 on the nation’s sovereign bonds, according to a statement. China’s usage of fiscal stimulus to support local governments and state-owned companies is posing downside risks to the nation’s economy, the grader said. The change in thinking comes as China’s deepening property rout triggers a shift toward fiscal stimulus, with the country ramping up its borrowing as a main measure to bolster its economy. That has raised concerns about the nation’s debt levels with Beijing on track for record bond issuance this year.
The fact that US debt has a “moneyness” quality has kept the US from this problem, at least so far.
Eventually, it would seem like it would become apparent to all that most debt cannot be repaid, especially if interest needs to be paid in addition.
The West created China… and the West taketh away….
Foreign direct investment is exiting China, new data show. New Chinese data imply that foreign firms operating in China are not only declining to reinvest their earnings but—for the first time ever—they are large net sellers of their existing investments to Chinese companies and repatriating the funds. These outflows exceeded $100 billion in the first three quarters of 2023 and are likely to grow further based on trends to date. The investment selloffs are contributing to downward pressure on the value of the Chinese currency and, if sustained, will modestly reduce China’s potential growth.
Part of the reason the US raised interest rates was to try to draw investment away from other countries, including China. It seems to have worked.
has anyone else noticed that you cannot reason with a MOREON?
Even highly ‘intelligent’ highly educated MOREONS cannot be reasoned with.
Some months ago I showed a top barrister (boosted MOREON) the excess death spikes following Rat Juice shots.
Insisted it’s not the vax – correlation is not causation – safe effective (he got all that from cnnbbc)
I said — these are big numbers … as if there is a world war going on …
What can it be…
Covid he says…
Uh … but I thought the vax stops you from dying …
Then I showed him the excess deaths in low vax countries… basically none.
He didn’t respond… and moved on to another topic…
Monkeys wanking in trees..,
“Monkeys wanking in trees”…..
Every single damn lawyer I have ever met.
Nope, they’d be the ones taking you to the Rapacious Primate cleaners if you intimately associate with a Hyper MOARonic 304 Primate and ignore the contraceptives.
Bust it in the tissue brother. Rubber is still a cheap commodity if you’re insisting on going down that route.
👨⚖️
I am way beyond such worries at this stage of existence.
It is instructive to mention that control can only be exercised upon those who have fear. Those who have fear do not understand what this game is about.
It is why I have such utter contempt for “authorities” in the western world.
My sons get very different fatherly advice than I ever did however.
“control can only be exercised upon those who have fear. Those who have fear do not understand what this game is about.”
Very wise and succinct.
What advice in particular did you get from your father, and what advice do you give your sons?
One does not advise children, rather pour gasoline on their arcing instincts and tendencies.
Stop perpetrating the all retch and no vomit. Don’t make them into another you from your own craving for validation.
The world can’t handle yet another aspiring Hyper Tryhard or Hyper MOARon bourgeois blowing through finite resources by coping from the Rapacious Primates default mental illness.
🤥🦧
I would like to see an experiment or maybe even a Reality TEEv show — yes let’s go with the TEEv show…
Where two dozen 5 year olds from families with zero discipline … (the least possible amount of socialization) are dropped on a tropical island… with simple houses for all of them…. every few months a ship drops containers of food and clothing etc – the ship makes the drop at night and there is no contact with the children….
Hidden cameras record all… drones pass over filming… etc…
F789 Lord of the Flies… this is for real. The Real Deal.
Round the clock video – like cnn….
How cool would this be? How many billion do you think would be watching daily?
Of course at some point you’d have to call in the napalm strike to terminate…
You want to spy on 5 year olds and you have the front to make false accusations about Norman. Maybe he’s correct about you projecting.
I just came from the vet — our Bali Beast required a blood test… I asked if any forms of Rat Juice would be required to enter Aussie – no but she should have this and that…
I opted for kennel cough out of this and that cuz she might need to board…
He tried to sell me on the other this and that … saying it’s only another 100+ bucks blah blah …
Of course if you are anti vax… he says…
I am not totally anti vax just prefer not to get the ones that aren’t necessary…
He then tells me that of course not all vaxes are 100% fool proof — and mentioned the covid one … everyone still got covid (Duh) … I assume he believes they stop you from dying but I didn’t want to argue although I did say that vaxxes are much less effective on old beasts including humans cuz of Immunosenescence …
He said – you’d have to ask a vaccinologist about that … he probaly doesnt even know what that is … f789ing tree wanker… maybe he can look it up on google
So the BB gets put our for the blood test (cuz she was trying to bite the nurse).. 300 bucks to the bill for that…
She comes out after an hour… he tells me the vax needs a second dose in a few weeks – just like with covid you need that extra bump — I look at him as if I am a mentally retarded tree monkey eyes glazed over in disbelief… and say nothing…
Then I get a bill for 1200 bucks…. and he says – the second vax is already included!!!
Oh f789ing joy and bliss… its included… that’s great news.
Not only do I have to be lectured by a Tree Wanking Monkey — I have to pay him.. pay him lots of $$$… more money than a celebrity featured dancer…
But it’s The Rules… no Tree Wanking Monkey Vet paper… not dog to Aussie….
The deaths are highest around vaccination time because vaccination rates are highest at the highest points in the pandemic. Everyone wants a booster when infection rates are high.
Ba dum bum. 😉
(And the peanut gallery screams for blood! Kill the blasphemer!)
If you actually believe this then you get to join the norm keith club…
I am of the view that the vaccines don’t really do anything. They are useless against Covid and not terribly harmful either.
Hungry people talk about food
Lonely people talk about relationships
Lawyers and judges talk about morality and ethics
RIP Sigmund Freud.
Bottom line, people seem to talk about what they don‘t have or the opposite of what they actually do.
You can extrapolate to many different groups
Military talk about defence
Politicians talk about change
Rich talk about charity
Fearful, security
Greedy, sharing
Renters talk about homes
Housebound, traveling
Kids talk about growing up
Old, about being young
Religious bound talk about enlightenment
Prisoners; Slaves, freedom
Fools talk about wisdom
The Wise talk about being fools
Naturals/pure-bloods talk about vaccines
Vaxed and boosted talk about covid
Sick, about health
Doomers about the end that never comes.
Optimists, about the future that never arrives
Prepares talk about survival.
Energy abundant, talk about having no energy ( that’s us at OFW BTW)
Exhausted people talk about energy
Some things are the other way around, inescapable
If you have Kids you have kids.
You can’t undo being a Mum or a Dad or Kid, Young or Old or loving your cat.
You can’t undo stupid or smart.
You-can’t un be.
If you have suffered you have suffered
If your not you will
If you are you wont
If you have Loved you have Loved, but also lost
If you have you will lose
If you have lost you will gain
Day dreamers just day dream
Sleepers just sleep
Thinkers think, walkers walk, talkers talk
Some just sit others just rest
Eddy talks about Schadenfreude, but in truth cares deeply.
What is the meaning of the buddha coming from the West?
When Christ talked about the Kingdom Of God coming from within
What did he mean?
In the short term the GSM is the real problem (maybe it’s vax injury?
Here’s another take on Zharkova’s research:
I missed this though:
They also described a solar oscillation caused by the sun’s response to the largest planets which produces yet another terrestrial heating and cooling cycle lasting around 2,600 years. We are currently in the heating phase of that cycle which will continue for another 500 years.
(Well don’t know about that but this is the immediate concern:
Due to lower temperature and increased cloud cover, Dr. Zharkova predicts a shortage of vegetation period from 2028 to 2032 and recommends inter-governmental efforts to create a stock of food to feed people and animals and prevent disaster.
From a few years ago but I haven’t seen much change:
https://modernsurvivalblog.com/natural-disaster/grand-solar-minimum/
Of course a gsm means less solar energy so I guess it comes down to energy after all.
We will see how it really turns out.
Forget about crypto…
Han Solo’s blaster prop gun has made history.
During an auction held by the Rock Island Auction Company (RIAC) in 2022, the blaster Harrison Ford used when portraying Han Solo in the first “Star Wars” movie, “Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope,” sold for $1,057,500, breaking a world record. The sale will be featured in the “Guinness Book of World Records 2024,” under the “Most Expensive Prop Gun Sold at Auction” category.
The BlasTech DL-44 Heavy Blaster used by Ford in the film had been missing since filming of the 1976 movie was completed, and new blasters were built for the next two films, “Empire Strikes Back” and “Return of the Jedi,” according to the auction house. According to RIAC, the new owner of London-based prop house Bapty & Co., Terry Watts, found the prop in the company’s inventory.
Now that’s a ultimate trading investment prop…one can hold it in ones hands…like gold….BAU is still going strong….Baby
Gold back down to $2000 . The wheels are wobbling, but still on, for now.
https://goldprice.org/
fascinating look into schwabby of the great reset fame i am afraid this article confirms existence of elders and possibility of delusistani from the elders which means the elders will be entertaining us right to the end fast eddie where in australia are you coming too im in south australia welcome to australia ; KLAUS SCHWAB, MASTERMIND of the World Economic Forum and its Davos confab, has built the stickiest site on the planet.
In the attention economy, where time is more valuable than money, it’s not easy getting the world’s top businesspeople and policymakers face-to-face. Throw in the specter of conference glut, and persuading movers and shakers to add firm commitments to their already overloaded schedules becomes an awesome logistical and diplomatic challenge.
Klaus Schwab, the 61-year-old founder of the Davos Annual Meeting, knows this better than most. Every winter for over two decades, he’s managed to draw a cross section of the global elite to a remote Alpine valley in Switzerland. There, in the secluded, avalanche-prone splendor of a town that doesn’t have an airport, hundreds of the planet’s most famous and influential dealmakers, politicians, academics, media captains, intellectuals, and religious leaders coalesce into a kind of central committee for the 21st century.
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This is an article from December 1, 1999. It seems to be behind a pay wall.
https://www.wired.com/1999/12/schwab/
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KLAUS SCHWAB, MASTERMIND of the World Economic Forum and its Davos confab, has built the stickiest site on the planet.
In the attention economy, where time is more valuable than money, it’s not easy getting the world’s top businesspeople and policymakers face-to-face. Throw in the specter of conference glut, and persuading movers and shakers to add firm commitments to their already overloaded schedules becomes an awesome logistical and diplomatic challenge.
Klaus Schwab, the 61-year-old founder of the Davos Annual Meeting, knows this better than most. Every winter for over two decades, he’s managed to draw a cross section of the global elite to a remote Alpine valley in Switzerland. There, in the secluded, avalanche-prone splendor of a town that doesn’t have an airport, hundreds of the planet’s most famous and influential dealmakers, politicians, academics, media captains, intellectuals, and religious leaders coalesce into a kind of central committee for the 21st century.
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Companies of the Future: Reid Hoffman & Joi Ito at WIRED25
In all, roughly 2,000 attendees roam among 300-plus formal lectures, panels, and discussions – covering everything from “What’s Next in Personal Computing” to “What Is a Human Being?” – before moving on to cocktail parties, dinners, and the steady pursuit of new opportunity. Increasingly, the buzz at Davos is about high tech. In recent years, so many hardware, software, and Internet titans have been invited that some old-timers complain they suck the air out of the room. By this point, Michael Dertouzos, head of MIT’s Laboratory for Computer Science, is approaching old-timer status – he first went to Davos in 1990 – while people like eBay’s Meg Whitman, Linux inventor Linus Torvalds, Yahoo!’s Tim Koogle, and Jeff Bezos fall into the arriviste category.
The epicenter of the meeting is the Davos Congress Centre, but much of the networking action occurs at the surrounding hotels – particularly the Hotel Seehof, one of the largest and best-appointed places in town. Once frequented by conventioneering German dentists, European skiers, and an occasional notable, the Seehof still has a provincial air. But nothing has been the same since the World Economic Forum, the Geneva-based umbrella organization for the Annual Meeting, picked Davos as its gathering spot. The Seehof and other inns have been reborn as millennial staging grounds.
“For six days, Davos is the center of the world,” says Christoph Schlosser, the Seehof’s cheerful 38-year-old manager, who showed me around last summer. “We will have Ted Turner and Bill Gates getting together just like family in the bar, and then in will come Amre Moussa, Egypt’s foreign minister, to have a drink with Rosario Green, Mexico’s foreign minister.” Nelson Mandela has bunked at the Seehof. So have Hillary Clinton, Canadian prime minister Jean Chrétien, Monaco’s Prince Albert, Sweden’s QueenSilvia, and Jacques Cousteau.
“During the forum, we have up to 90 functions, one right after the other,” says Schlosser. “Our staff works 18-hour days, but I’m not allowed to hire extra people because of the security problems. Every 5 feet around the hotel we have a police officer. And we have sharpshooters on the roof and on the apartment balconies behind the hotel.”
In the Restaurant Palais, just off the main lobby, Schlosser stops to show me a little brass plaque on the wall commemorating the pivotal meeting at Davos of Yasser Arafat and Shimon Peres. It reads: THE WORLD WAS HOPING FOR PEACE FROM DAVOS. JANUARY 25-30, 1994.
“And when they came back in 1996, do you know what Peres did?” says Schlosser. “He asked if we could set up the same meeting room just as it had been. Then, for old time’s sake, he invited Arafat, and the two of them went back in just to renew their friendship.
“As people start checking in and spontaneously meeting each other, the lobby just gets crazy,” he continues, barely able to contain his delight. “One day, after I introduced Peres to Warren Beatty, Peres came back a moment later and asked me in a whisper, ‘Who is that guy?’ When I told him, he looked really surprised and then went right back over to Beatty to ask if he wanted to have a drink. They were in the bar for two hours. That’s the spirit of Davos!”
The man who put Davos on the map is hardly a household name, but his famous gathering has made him as influential as many heads of state and corporate chieftains. Over the past three decades, Klaus Schwab has transformed a simple insight – that the major players in our globalized era could benefit from a convivial, neutral spot to meet and discuss the future – into a full-blown phenomenon. London’s Sunday Telegraph has called Davos “the mecca for all power networkers,” but whatever description you apply, consensus among bigwigs is that you skip Davos at your own risk.
“Each year, I say, ‘No! I’m not going – they all take themselves too seriously,'” says financial news giant Michael Bloomberg with a chuckle. “And then each year I go. And I have a good time.”
“In the parlance of the Internet, Davos is an aggregator,” says Kim Clark, dean of the Harvard Business School and a Davos regular. “They foresee and hold discussions about important, emerging world trends, but another reason to be there is the interaction. There’s a kind of hunger on the part of world leaders to really connect, and Davos is the premier networking event.”
Schwab aims to create a bazaarlike atmosphere for businesspeople and leaders to work things out off the public stage. During the carefully nurtured time off from formal events, participants troll the Congress Centre hallways in a deal-making mood, go off in small packs to ski, gather in the blue haze of a Euro-dominated smoking bar, or just hang around comparing notes. A gaggle of Americans collect at the telecommunications warren – an info hub on the mezzanine level of the Congress Centre, full of booths outfitted with phone and data connections – to complain about the Neanderthal phone service in their hotels. People navigating a dozen languages compare hardware, swap jacks, and gossip while downloading email. Private high-level meetings go hand in hand with choreographed fun:tango bands, sleigh rides for spouses, a Saturday-night blowout.
Schwab seems an unlikely candidate for becoming one of the century’s great party-givers. A slender, balding man with a Calvinist expression – he reminds you of the pitchfork-clutching farmer in American Gothic – Schwab was born in Ravensburg, Germany, in 1938. Until the late ’60s, he sedately taught business management. His academic pedigree includes degrees from the University of Fribourg and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology at Zurich as well as a stint at Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. He remains a professor of business policy at the University of Geneva, a title that prominently adorns his calling card.
Schwab conceived of the Davos gathering in 1969, a time when the town was known mostly for its ski trails and tuberculosis wards. (One of these was where Thomas Mann’s wife took the cure in 1912, an experience that inspired him to write The Magic Mountain.) In January 1971, Schwab was stunned when some 450 people signed up for his two-week symposium to discuss the challenges facing European businesses in the global marketplace. The profit enabled him to set up the European Management Forum and hold another session in 1972.
Growth came quickly after that. By 1973, Schwab began planning annual events of an increasingly international cast. In 1976, when he persuaded several banks to fund a conference of Arab and European business leaders, he drew some 2,000 participants. In 1978, Schwab’s group changed its name to the World Economic Forum. By 1990, Davos had become synonymous with high-level cross-pollination. It was a place where Polish dissident and Solidarity champion Adam Michnik sat down for breakfast with his former jailer, Wojciech Jaruzelski; where Singapore senior minister Lee Kuan Yew, World Bank president Barber Conable, and Mexico’s president, Carlos Salinas de Gortari, could hold forth alongside Swiss theologian Hans Küng. Out of this vortex of politics, power, money, intellect, and celebrity evolved Schwab’s view that the annual meeting needed to dedicate itself to “integrating leaders from business, government, and academia into a partnership committed to improving the state of the world.” By the mid-’90s, as Davos ideals began to reverberate in the corridors of power, heads of global businesses started vying for corporate membership, a distinction whose number Schwab limits to 1,000. A company must have a billion-dollar turnover to be eligible, and then must pony up about $13,500 in annual dues plus $7,700 to send a representative to Davos.
Is the price too stiff? “I cannot afford not to go,” one US corporate leader told me. Indeed, in the last few years, the event has gained such prestige that many corporate heads would pay almost any price to be invited. To be on Schwab’s list is to be legitimized as a global player. To be left off is almost an indignity.
There are, of course, other elite gatherings that contend with Davos, like those organized by the Aspen Institute, the Bohemian Club, the Bilderberg group, and Herb Allen’s summertime schmoozefest in Sun Valley, Idaho. Though Davos is preeminent – and more ambitious in size and scope – its status is provisional, always dependent on the edifice of cachet that Schwab has built. In this sense, the WEF’s success is as perishable as that of any fashionable restaurant, whose popularity derives as much from its celebrated clientele as from its cuisine. Indeed, some observers have unflatteringly compared Schwab’s position at the WEF to that of a maître d’. Schwab is sensitive about any suggestion that he’s merely a concierge to the mighty, but he is also keenly and aggressively aware of the crucial role he plays in keeping the WEF together, not to mention keeping it in fashion. As one WEF staff member told me, “Klaus is very good at snapping onto trends and issues of the moment.”
Though Davos is preeminent, its status is provisional, always dependent on the edifice of cachet that Schwab has built.
The apostles of the high tech boom are Schwab’s most recent conquest. The WEF jumped into the information revolution in a major way in 1997. The Davos theme that year was “Building the Network Society,” and Gates and Andy Grove were the featured “digital revolutionaries.” With that meeting, Schwab also unveiled a videoconferencing system that let participants talk to one another over a network.
Since then, Schwab has worked hard to get the big boys and girls of high tech excited about Davos. By 1998, when the theme was “Priorities for the 21st Century,” the headliners – among them Hillary Clinton, Helmut Kohl, and Kofi Annan – shared the spotlight with a cluster of A-list digerati, including Bloomberg, Bezos, Gates, Larry Ellison, and Sony’s Nobuyuki Idei. In 1999, Davos began posting video archives of panels on the Web at live99.weforum.org. There will be more of the same at the next Davos meeting, scheduled for January 27 to February 1. The topics on tap include the new economy and whether wireless technologies will bolster the economies of less-developed countries.
Schwab has learned, too, that the meeting is far more interesting if a quotient of academics, cultural figures, and media people are invited gratis to fuel content-rich discussions. Most of them enjoy it, but there are occasional reports of feeling like a show pony. One writer invited to last January’s meeting recalls feeling more “like garnish to the main meal.” Arlie Hochschild, a sociology professor at UC Berkeley, lauded Schwab for provoking discussion of complex global issues, but also said that she felt “a little like a bauble.”
Davos has its critics, who tend to focus on the event’s bloat, self-importance, and potential for losing its uniqueness by becoming too watered down. This year, The Sunday Telegraph’s Bill Jamieson wrote that Davos is “the leading event in the global problem-solving calendar, heavily attended, say cynics, by those who cause them.”
“During the Davos weekend, roughly 70 percent of the world’s daily output of self-congratulation is concentrated in one place,”noted Peter Martin of London’s Financial Times. “When you look around Davos, you see the triumph of the middle-aged.”
Flip through a directory of distinguished participants from any recent annual meeting – a bricklike publication, 2 inches thick and 4 across, that contains the phone and fax numbers and email addresses of the pantheon of Davos worthies – and what’s immediately evident is that Schwab is a consummate dealmaker himself. He’s talented at getting big-league business executives to not only show up but pay up – forking over member dues as well as additional sums to become “partners” that support forum activities year-round. Both Schwab and the WEF’s director, Claude Smadja, are forthright about the fact that business has always been the keystone of the forum’s arch.
You can certainly see the WEF’s evolution and expansion in the reports issued after each Davos meeting. A decade ago, these publications were relatively modest affairs, with black-and-white photos showing participants on panels and in hot-air balloons. By 1999, the Report on the Annual Meeting had become a slick color publication documenting a gargantuan event that involved more than 1,000 CEOs, 300 senior political leaders, 300 intellectuals of varying stripes, 250 members of the press, and 40 heads of state and government. Notables including Al Gore, Russian prime minister Yevgeny Primakov, Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak, Nobel Prize-winning author Nadine Gordimer, and US treasury secretary Robert Rubin (along with his deputy and eventual successor, Lawrence Summers) buzzed among 350 panel discussions on the international monetary system, artificial intelligence, spirituality, and corporate merger mania, to name a few. The informational blizzard was reminiscent of Mann’s description of a Davos snowstorm: “monstrous and immeasurable.”
In 1992, the WEF inaugurated a series of sub-summits; 10 are held around the world each year. The WEF also handpicks a group of so-called Global Leaders for Tomorrow, or GLTs, and hosts mini-summits to which they and Davos aspirants are invited. These events not only help focus attention on regional issues but serve as something like farm teams for Davos.
“One of our big frustrations is that everyone wants to go to Davos,” says Pedro Ralda, a Spanish expert in international affairs, who coordinates the WEF’s Latin America summits. “It’s gotten to be such a trademark that there’s often an ego thing between the chair, CEO, and president of a member company over who gets to go. Because we can accommodate only one from each member company, we created the regional summits.”
One gets the distinct sense that as Schwab consorts ever more closely with the corporate conquerors who animate our age, he chafes against the confines of his nonprofit foundation. For all his extraordinary access, he cannot quite run with the Prometheans. While friends say his dream is to win a Nobel Peace Prize, one also detects a barely suppressed urge to get in on the real global action like almost everyone else at Davos: courting venture capitalists, starting companies and IPOing, merging, and selling them.
So irrepressible are Schwab’s entrepreneurial urges that he has already helped set up two digital ventures: Think Tools, a knowledge management software company, and Industry to Industry (www.i2i.com), an online auction site selling technology, businesses, even furniture, that he hopes will ultimately go public, albeit under another nonprofit foundation.
All of it sounds familiar, no? “Yes, Schwab is an idealist,” says Harvard’s Kim Clark. “But he is also a quintessential entrepreneur.”
PLUS
I, Klaus
Klaus Schwab’s head would make a fine doorstop, although dogs would probably carry it off somewhere.
It would be helpful to me if you would explain what you are doing in the posts themselves. For example, add a numbering scheme such as Part 1 of 4; Part 2 of 4; Part 3 of 4; and Part 4 of 4.
When I come home and find a whole series of posts caught in my spam filter, I cannot tell easily what is a duplicate of what other part.
When I review posts, I don’t look at them as they would attach to previous posts, so it becomes especially confusing to me.
sorry about that i will do better next time
lets try a little bit at a time; “For six days, Davos is the center of the world,” says Christoph Schlosser, the Seehof’s cheerful 38-year-old manager, who showed me around last summer. “We will have Ted Turner and Bill Gates getting together just like family in the bar, and then in will come Amre Moussa, Egypt’s foreign minister, to have a drink with Rosario Green, Mexico’s foreign minister.” Nelson Mandela has bunked at the Seehof. So have Hillary Clinton, Canadian prime minister Jean Chrétien, Monaco’s Prince Albert, Sweden’s QueenSilvia, and Jacques Cousteau.
“During the forum, we have up to 90 functions, one right after the other,” says Schlosser. “Our staff works 18-hour days, but I’m not allowed to hire extra people because of the security problems. Every 5 feet around the hotel we have a police officer. And we have sharpshooters on the roof and on the apartment balconies behind the hotel.”
In the Restaurant Palais, just off the main lobby, Schlosser stops to show me a little brass plaque on the wall commemorating the pivotal meeting at Davos of Yasser Arafat and Shimon Peres. It reads: THE WORLD WAS HOPING FOR PEACE FROM DAVOS. JANUARY 25-30, 1994.
“And when they came back in 1996, do you know what Peres did?” says Schlosser. “He asked if we could set up the same meeting room just as it had been. Then, for old time’s sake, he invited Arafat, and the two of them went back in just to renew their friendship.
“As people start checking in and spontaneously meeting each other, the lobby just gets crazy,” he continues, barely able to contain his delight. “One day, after I introduced Peres to Warren Beatty, Peres came back a moment later and asked me in a whisper, ‘Who is that guy?’ When I told him, he looked really surprised and then went right back over to Beatty to ask if he wanted to have a drink. They were in the bar for two hours. That’s the spirit of Davos!”
“In the parlance of the Internet, Davos is an aggregator,” says Kim Clark, dean of the Harvard Business School and a Davos regular. “They foresee and hold discussions about important, emerging world trends, but another reason to be there is the interaction. There’s a kind of hunger on the part of world leaders to really connect, and Davos is the premier networking event.”
Schwab aims to create a bazaarlike atmosphere for businesspeople and leaders to work things out off the public stage. During the carefully nurtured time off from formal events, participants troll the Congress Centre hallways in a deal-making mood, go off in small packs to ski, gather in the blue haze of a Euro-dominated smoking bar, or just hang around comparing notes. A gaggle of Americans collect at the telecommunications warren – an info hub on the mezzanine level of the Congress Centre, full of booths outfitted with phone and data connections – to complain about the Neanderthal phone service in their hotels. People navigating a dozen languages compare hardware, swap jacks, and gossip while downloading email. Private high-level meetings go hand in hand with choreographed fun:tango bands, sleigh rides for spouses, a Saturday-night blowout.
Schwab seems an unlikely candidate for becoming one of the century’s great party-givers. A slender, balding man with a Calvinist expression – he reminds you of the pitchfork-clutching farmer in American Gothic – Schwab was born in Ravensburg, Germany, in 1938. Until the late ’60s, he sedately taught business management. His academic pedigree includes degrees from the University of Fribourg and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology at Zurich as well as a stint at Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. He remains a professor of business policy at the University of Geneva, a title that prominently adorns his calling card.
Schwab conceived of the Davos gathering in 1969, a time when the town was known mostly for its ski trails and tuberculosis wards. (One of these was where Thomas Mann’s wife took the cure in 1912, an experience that inspired him to write The Magic Mountain.) In January 1971, Schwab was stunned when some 450 people signed up for his two-week symposium to discuss the challenges facing European businesses in the global marketplace. The profit enabled him to set up the European Management Forum and hold another session in 1972.
Growth came quickly after that. By 1973, Schwab began planning annual events of an increasingly international cast. In 1976, when he persuaded several banks to fund a conference of Arab and European business leaders, he drew some 2,000 participants. In 1978, Schwab’s group changed its name to the World Economic Forum. By 1990, Davos had become synonymous with high-level cross-pollination. It was a place where Polish dissident and Solidarity champion Adam Michnik sat down for breakfast with his former jailer, Wojciech Jaruzelski; where Singapore senior minister Lee Kuan Yew, World Bank president Barber Conable, and Mexico’s president, Carlos Salinas de Gortari, could hold forth alongside Swiss theologian Hans Küng. Out of this vortex of politics, power, money, intellect, and celebrity evolved Schwab’s view that the annual meeting needed to dedicate itself to “integrating leaders from business, government, and academia into a partnership committed to improving the state of the world.” By the mid-’90s, as Davos ideals began to reverberate in the corridors of power, heads of global businesses started vying for corporate membership, a distinction whose number Schwab limits to 1,000. A company must have a billion-dollar turnover to be eligible, and then must pony up about $13,500 in annual dues plus $7,700 to send a representative to Davos.
unfortunateley i cant get anymore posted but the gist of it all these people have been meeting for at least 50 years talking about finite world matters but look at the result it doesnt look good why because they were more interested in making more money has anything changed they probably were just too complacent thinking technology would save us and they could get rich too no unfortunateley there is no solution to our problem we are going down so lets just enjoy the time that is left we may get lucky and make it to 2030 keep yer fingers crossed ladies and gentlemen.
The man who put Davos on the map is hardly a household name, but his famous gathering has made him as influential as many heads of state and corporate chieftains. Over the past three decades, Klaus Schwab has transformed a simple insight – that the major players in our globalized era could benefit from a convivial, neutral spot to meet and discuss the future – into a full-blown phenomenon. London’s Sunday Telegraph has called Davos “the mecca for all power networkers,” but whatever description you apply, consensus among bigwigs is that you skip Davos at your own risk.
“Each year, I say, ‘No! I’m not going – they all take themselves too seriously,'” says financial news giant Michael Bloomberg with a chuckle. “And then each year I go. And I have a good time.”
a bit more ; “In the parlance of the Internet, Davos is an aggregator,” says Kim Clark, dean of the Harvard Business School and a Davos regular. “They foresee and hold discussions about important, emerging world trends, but another reason to be there is the interaction. There’s a kind of hunger on the part of world leaders to really connect, and Davos is the premier networking event.”
Schwab aims to create a bazaarlike atmosphere for businesspeople and leaders to work things out off the public stage. During the carefully nurtured time off from formal events, participants troll the Congress Centre hallways in a deal-making mood, go off in small packs to ski, gather in the blue haze of a Euro-dominated smoking bar, or just hang around comparing notes. A gaggle of Americans collect at the telecommunications warren – an info hub on the mezzanine level of the Congress Centre, full of booths outfitted with phone and data connections – to complain about the Neanderthal phone service in their hotels. People navigating a dozen languages compare hardware, swap jacks, and gossip while downloading email. Private high-level meetings go hand in hand with choreographed fun:tango bands, sleigh rides for spouses, a Saturday-night blowout.
Schwab seems an unlikely candidate for becoming one of the century’s great party-givers. A slender, balding man with a Calvinist expression – he reminds you of the pitchfork-clutching farmer in American Gothic – Schwab was born in Ravensburg, Germany, in 1938. Until the late ’60s, he sedately taught business management. His academic pedigree includes degrees from the University of Fribourg and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology at Zurich as well as a stint at Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. He remains a professor of business policy at the University of Geneva, a title that prominently adorns his calling card.
Schwab conceived of the Davos gathering in 1969, a time when the town was known mostly for its ski trails and tuberculosis wards. (One of these was where Thomas Mann’s wife took the cure in 1912, an experience that inspired him to write The Magic Mountain.) In January 1971, Schwab was stunned when some 450 people signed up for his two-week symposium to discuss the challenges facing European businesses in the global marketplace. The profit enabled him to set up the European Management Forum and hold another session in 1972.
Growth came quickly after that. By 1973, Schwab began planning annual events of an increasingly international cast. In 1976, when he persuaded several banks to fund a conference of Arab and European business leaders, he drew some 2,000 participants. In 1978, Schwab’s group changed its name to the World Economic Forum. By 1990, Davos had become synonymous with high-level cross-pollination. It was a place where Polish dissident and Solidarity champion Adam Michnik sat down for breakfast with his former jailer, Wojciech Jaruzelski; where Singapore senior minister Lee Kuan Yew, World Bank president Barber Conable, and Mexico’s president, Carlos Salinas de Gortari, could hold forth alongside Swiss theologian Hans Küng. Out of this vortex of politics, power, money, intellect, and celebrity evolved Schwab’s view that the annual meeting needed to dedicate itself to “integrating leaders from business, government, and academia into a partnership committed to improving the state of the world.” By the mid-’90s, as Davos ideals began to reverberate in the corridors of power, heads of global businesses started vying for corporate membership, a distinction whose number Schwab limits to 1,000. A company must have a billion-dollar turnover to be eligible, and then must pony up about $13,500 in annual dues plus $7,700 to send a representative to Davos.
In all, roughly 2,000 attendees roam among 300-plus formal lectures, panels, and discussions – covering everything from “What’s Next in Personal Computing” to “What Is a Human Being?” – before moving on to cocktail parties, dinners, and the steady pursuit of new opportunity. Increasingly, the buzz at Davos is about high tech. In recent years, so many hardware, software, and Internet titans have been invited that some old-timers complain they suck the air out of the room. By this point, Michael Dertouzos, head of MIT’s Laboratory for Computer Science, is approaching old-timer status – he first went to Davos in 1990 – while people like eBay’s Meg Whitman, Linux inventor Linus Torvalds, Yahoo!’s Tim Koogle, and Jeff Bezos fall into the arriviste category.
The epicenter of the meeting is the Davos Congress Centre, but much of the networking action occurs at the surrounding hotels – particularly the Hotel Seehof, one of the largest and best-appointed places in town. Once frequented by conventioneering German dentists, European skiers, and an occasional notable, the Seehof still has a provincial air. But nothing has been the same since the World Economic Forum, the Geneva-based umbrella organization for the Annual Meeting, picked Davos as its gathering spot. The Seehof and other inns have been reborn as millennial staging grounds.
“For six days, Davos is the center of the world,” says Christoph Schlosser, the Seehof’s cheerful 38-year-old manager, who showed me around last summer. “We will have Ted Turner and Bill Gates getting together just like family in the bar, and then in will come Amre Moussa, Egypt’s foreign minister, to have a drink with Rosario Green, Mexico’s foreign minister.” Nelson Mandela has bunked at the Seehof. So have Hillary Clinton, Canadian prime minister Jean Chrétien, Monaco’s Prince Albert, Sweden’s QueenSilvia, and Jacques Cousteau.
“During the forum, we have up to 90 functions, one right after the other,” says Schlosser. “Our staff works 18-hour days, but I’m not allowed to hire extra people because of the security problems. Every 5 feet around the hotel we have a police officer. And we have sharpshooters on the roof and on the apartment balconies behind the hotel.”
In the Restaurant Palais, just off the main lobby, Schlosser stops to show me a little brass plaque on the wall commemorating the pivotal meeting at Davos of Yasser Arafat and Shimon Peres. It reads: THE WORLD WAS HOPING FOR PEACE FROM DAVOS. JANUARY 25-30, 1994.
“And when they came back in 1996, do you know what Peres did?” says Schlosser. “He asked if we could set up the same meeting room just as it had been. Then, for old time’s sake, he invited Arafat, and the two of them went back in just to renew their friendship.
“As people start checking in and spontaneously meeting each other, the lobby just gets crazy,” he continues, barely able to contain his delight. “One day, after I introduced Peres to Warren Beatty, Peres came back a moment later and asked me in a whisper, ‘Who is that guy?’ When I told him, he looked really surprised and then went right back over to Beatty to ask if he wanted to have a drink. They were in the bar for two hours. That’s the spirit of Davos!”
The man who put Davos on the map is hardly a household name, but his famous gathering has made him as influential as many heads of state and corporate chieftains. Over the past three decades, Klaus Schwab has transformed a simple insight – that the major players in our globalized era could benefit from a convivial, neutral spot to meet and discuss the future – into a full-blown phenomenon. London’s Sunday Telegraph has called Davos “the mecca for all power networkers,” but whatever description you apply, consensus among bigwigs is that you skip Davos at your own risk.
“Each year, I say, ‘No! I’m not going – they all take themselves too seriously,'” says financial news giant Michael Bloomberg with a chuckle. “And then each year I go. And I have a good time.”
“In the parlance of the Internet, Davos
Naseem Taleb on Davos ” To imbeciles who think my Davosphobia comes from `not being invited’: I was invited, once, & I made sure they regretted it.“
During his talk at the lit fest, he elaborated on the theme. He said, “I called them the International Association of Namedroppers. They think it’s their mission to solve a problem they don’t understand.“
Reuters: China taking first steps to pay for oil in yuan this year
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-oil-yuan-exclusive-idUSKBN1H51FA/
From my point of view, this will reduce the amount of goods acquirable by dollars – even if the yuan is still convertable. I would expect consequences for the strength of the dollar.
This might be a first test for a future implementation by other members of the BRICS.
The USA and Europe are getting more and more dependent on energy deliveries by the BRICS; I doubt that there are so many irreplaceable products the BRICS cannot produce themselves; they can also buy talents easily. This could lead to a shift of the security structure.
The BRICS won’t deliver the energy weapons are build with to dominate them.
This is a March 30, 2018, article. A whole lot more oil is being bought with yuan now.
Joe Biden sings Johnny Cash – Hurt (Official Video)
As one commenter said: “This is cruel, offensive, brilliant, hilarious, poignant, profound, embarrassing and painfully sad all at once.”
A sign of our times.
Joe Bidet is a perfect representation in the decline and fall of the US empire. You have his son who committed crimes that put put the average man behind bars for decades, gets a slap on the wrist.
Bidet’s political opponent his being threatened with years of jail time for made up charges that are questionable at best. Many legal experts have said those charges should have never been brought up because they are shaky at best. It’s all about election interference and keeping Trump from running in 2024. Just for the record, I have never voted and never will because I despise politicians. All they care about is themselves and their families, everyone else is fodder.
That is America today and Joe Biden is its poster boy!
Now look what you did!
norm had just showered and put on a fresh new geriatric diaper… was combing his hair using a dash of Brylcream.. (holds the comb over in place)… and spritzing with Eau de Old Spice .. excited about heading to the pub to get amped up with a few pints… before heading …. (everyone say it with me) Out Back the Dumpter…
To hook up with Super Snatch….
But he made the mistake of reading your post before tootalooing … and now he is in a foul mood… you’re ruined everything …instead norm is staying home and reading Huff.
LOL
Just wait till they figure out they have been made to be the frog boiling to death in the pot, by its leaders. Coming to a country near you!
“The Morning Soup Kitchen Line in Milan”
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/the-morning-soup-kitchen-line-in-milan/
Surely they have Super Fent … nobody survives … nobody
So a guy with a crusader cross… hmmm… I call fake – crisis actor stirring the pot https://t.me/leaklive/17185
What if oil is cheap but unaffordable .? Think .
https://economicsfromthetopdown.com/2020/12/03/as-we-exhaust-our-oil-it-will-get-cheaper-but-less-affordable/
Very nice article, thanks Ravi. Conclusions would be more precise if the author could track all the expenditures associated with oil. In case of fracking, surely iron for pipes is a big expense, as are other items.
Ehrlich vs. Tverberg
I’ll close by returning to where I started: the Simon-Ehrlich wager. What’s important about this wager is that it conforms to our expectations about prices. Ehrlich bet money on the idea that resource scarcity will cause prices to rise. It’s an idea that most people find intuitive. Simon bet money on an equally intuitive idea — that resource abundance will cause prices to fall.
Looking at the bet, you can see that it’s really about two distinct hypotheses. The first hypothesis is that we’re exhausting our natural resources. The second hypothesis is that prices will rise in response. What’s interesting is that most of the discussion about the Simon-Ehrlich wager conflates the two hypotheses. Because Ehrlich lost the bet, people assume that resource scarcity is not a problem. But that’s faulty logic. What’s also possible (and what all the evidence points towards), is that the price hypothesis is wrong. As we exhaust natural resources, their price does not explode. Instead, it collapses.
Even though Ehrlich lost his bet, his thinking remains widespread. Just look at peak-oil theory. Many peak-oil theorists think that as oil production declines, the price of oil will explode. But not everyone is convinced. The notable exception is the analyst Gail Tverberg. For years, Tverberg has been arguing that we’re headed for lower oil prices. (Here’s a thread of her writing on deflation.) But she doesn’t think prices will fall because of resource abundance. She’s a Malthusian much like Paul Ehrlich. Instead, Tverberg thinks we’re headed for a world where oil is scarce yet cheap.
To many people, such a future makes little sense. But that’s because we can’t imagine a world in which incomes collapse. But Tverberg can. And so I propose a hypothetical bet for the future: Ehrlich vs. Tverberg. Both scientists assume that oil will get more scarce. But in the Ehrlich scenario, oil prices explode. In the Tverberg scenario, oil prices collapse.
I once thought that the Ehrlich scenario was all but guaranteed. But today, my money’s on Tverberg. In the future, oil will be scarce and unaffordable. But I think it will also be cheap.
Well written article! But – crude will not become scarce and cheap. It will stay in the ground! Because cheap oil and reduced demand cannot pay the growing costs and investments into production and transport. And I have understood Gail in this sense.
yes .. it will get so cheap cuz nobody can afford it and the oil producers will collapse
deflation is a real bitch … ask China
A big part of the problem is that wages disparity issue. There will always be a few who are rich enough to afford oil (if it is available). The problem is that younger workers, and workers brought in from other countries, will be earning such low wages that they can buy hardly anything. It is their lack of demand that causes a problem.
This is parlor room economics. Too many variables could result in many variations.
With minimum basic income where less people work?
Or a one world currency pipe dream?
Debt based oil production bankrupting the business yet the oil gets used for a cheap price. This seems temporary.
Like Jan said.
But less energy means a continuous decline in gdp resulting in lower per capita income in real valuations. I guess this is equivalent.
Let’s start working on those hi temp gas nuke reactors like China.
Let’s start working on those hi temp gas nuke reactors like China.
It’s far too late for that.
Thanks for posting this. I have become somewhat notorious in my thinking. Wage disparity plays a big role in what goes wrong, I am afraid.
Ha,ha,haaaa…Fiddle, Faddle…
Summary
Some members balk at fossil fuel phase-out inclusion
Saudi Arabia and Russia push for focus on emissions, not fuels
Nations most affected by climate change demand its inclusion
DUBAI, Dec 9 (Reuters) – Countries clashed on Saturday over a possible agreement to phase-out fossil fuels at the COP28 summit in Dubai, jeopardising attempts to deliver a first-ever commitment to eventually end the use of oil and gas in 30 years of global warming talks.
Saudi Arabia and Russia were among several countries insisting that the conference in Dubai focus only on reducing climate pollution – and not on targeting the fossil fuels causing it, according to observers in the negotiations.
…..COP28 President Sultan al-Jaber told nations late on Saturday to speed up their work to find a final deal, saying there were “still more areas of divergence than agreement”.
Come on now…can’t have 8 billion hairless apes running around the planet without it.
Restaurant Owners in Tears! 70% Closure Rate for China’s Restaurants, 1 Million Shut in a Year
Actually, from October this year, the restaurant industry has been facing a nationwide wave of closures. I saw some data, just this year, nearly 1 million restaurant licenses have been revoked or canceled. The restaurant industry in 2023 is really tough. If you want to know how the restaurant industry is doing, just ask the second-hand equipment recyclers, we’re the first to sense it. Today we came to the largest second-hand equipment recycling market in Hangzhou, Zhejiang, to take a look.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xGd1QHXYsmQ
The food is no good ,,,I got sick in Chengdu twice ,stomach infection
Is this fake?
Chinese restaurants around here seem to be doing great.
22 days until 2024, Doomaahs!
I’ve stopped going out to eat since the great inflation period of the last few years…seems the food quality and amount is getting cheaper and prices much higher…suppose if I see a promo may go for a quick meal..
“BIDENOMICS IS NOTHING SHORT OF A MIRACLE RIGHT NOW!”
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xrmJ3dGuIq4
Be grateful you silly peasant!
Restaurant food is full of toxins… they probably don’t even wash the vegs…
In 2008, a big part of what happened in the US was a cutback in discretionary spending. Restaurant (and catering) expenditures are quite discretionary. It wouldn’t be surprising if restaurants were hit particularly hard in a slow down.
Turns out Google fudged and faked there Gemini results just as pharma faked there product. Please keep in mind the AI is honest it is the humans that are dangerous.
The Goat Ranch has found a buyer. Gosh that was fast.
We exit this godforsaken hell hole in 6 week.
Remember office f789 face… who f789ed me with that ticket? Soon after take off from Awkland airport — he’s gone get an email laced with vitriol…
And to top it off… I’ve asked our munchkin if she’d like to complete year two of uni in NZ then next year transfer to Curtain in Aussie.. she’s stoked!!! We are paying international student fees for her to study here — so we’ll be pulling that $$$ out of NZ as well… I’ll let officer F789 Face know about that as well…
3rd world status beckons…
The brain drain that is already underway as the rats abandon this sinking ship … will be adding The Mother of all Brains to the exodus… The Goat is departing …
hahaha The Goat says sayonara…
Last Call how’s life away from the Plough Hogs and the meth addicts of NZ?
Australia as a prison has the advantage of being larger than NZ, with a population density six times less. Good move I guess.
Eddie, Me thinks you have one more move in you….
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TX1f5x8_O1o&pp=ygUaQXVzdHJhbGlhaG9tZXN0ZWFkZXIgZnVubnk%3D
We believed something about off grid life that turned out to be a lie.
What was it? And why did we leave the cabin?
Find out in the latest episode of the Alaska Off Grid Challenge
Sounds like right up your alley…a Fast Eddie Challenge…
Fast Eddie, become a professional YouTuber…..
I could do an episode… how I realized that nobody would manage the fuel ponds post apocalypse therefore any form of survival planning was futile…
Come now, Eddie, why the negative vibes, man up.
Perhaps you’ll be one of the lucky survivors that will mutate into a new offshoot and leap forward the evolutionary scale
They have about six times as much sunshine in Oz too, don’t they? And real summers, even though they come at the wrong time of year>
And the locals speak in accents that the rest of the world can understand, and not like Sam Bailey?
He could buy a kangaroo farm.
There is absolutely no downside.
If the world holds together … Perth is close to Asia so the bucket listing will recommence…
Hopefully can get to more of the Central Asian countries…
Perth is near nowhere. When things get difficult I think perth will have major problems getting supplies.
Perth is somewhat vulnerable to major problems.
Won’t worry denialists or those who believe there’s no future
It’s kinda like Kuwait with huge endowment of natural resources per capita
Ranges strip mined for bauxite
forests clearfelled for woodchip
long term rainfall decline
water desalinated by 1000+km natural gas pipline
salinity of agricultural lands creeping in from the desert
In the 1970s, Gore Vidal commented in an interview how he was living in Rome because it was the perfect place from which to watch the end of civilization. How’d that work out for him? He later moved to the Amalfi coast and in his decrepitude back to LA.
All I want is to live in a city with proper restaurants and stuff for a year or so … beyond that who gives a f789.
Don’t matter where ya’ll are…. you will die
A mate of mine down the pub…. We were both long haired rock fans back in the seventies… moved from Blighty to the Australian Riviera about 20 years ago and opened a bar there. His name is Lee Rice and I think the bar is called Ricey’s Bar. You are bound to walk past it in a town the size of Perth—so I mention it just in case you want to avoid it.
You can also probably identify it from the music. If I know Ricey, it will be playing Hendrix, Joplin, Rush, Judas Priest, AC/DC, Led Zep, Motorhead, Status Quo, and most of all Free and Bad Company. So bring your earplugs.
Will have to remember to check it out https://www.facebook.com/people/Riceys-Bar/100031192603318/
Oh yes! Facebook. I gave that up in 2016 because everyone was getting so angry about Trump and Hillary.
But a lot of my old mates are on there and I sometimes feel the urge to check up on them. So, Ricey’s still in business! That’s good to know. I wonder if he’s kept his Cockney accent?
Do you think he might have a sideline selling Bolivian … to ‘trusted’ customers?
How many relocations does this make, mate?
Canada, Indonesia, New Zealand, Aussieland,
Hong Kong…have I missed any?
Eddie and Mrs Fast on the move…
How to Talk Australians – Episode 1: ‘G’DAY KNACKERS’
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I’m an Australian and I think this is bloody hilarious!! I love when they throw the boomerang and it doesn’t come back haha
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQRZXM-4xI&t=16s&pp=ygUaYXVzdHJhbGlhaG9tZXN0ZWFkZXIgZnVubnk%3D
Good day, Mate
“How many relocations does this make, mate?”
Wherever he lives, he likes to be a loyal subject of the British monarch: Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Every morning on waking up, he most joyfully sings: “I am the very model of a modern mainstream monarchist!” Now isn’t that the truth, Fast Eddy? 😉
Ya that’s why I left Hong Kong … it was never the same after handover… I lingered on for a decade+ but I missed being part of the British empire…
However I did live in Shanghai for a year … Bangkok 6 months…. then Indonesia for 7 years… but I was always thinking of my dear Queen and getting back to her bosom.
How can one not go sour on a country that elects a donkey faced re -tard… a country full of MOREONS who call her by her first name as if she’s their sister…
Then there are the plough hogs… and probably the biggest irritant is that right f789ing c789… Office F789face… that’s as big a deal as Donkey Face…
Recall before I emailed him informing him that I was pulling all our web dev out of NZ cuz he’s a lying c789? (actually we pulled it out years ago… when the dollar strengthened)… I attended the local police station and asked if I’d get in trouble if I informed office F789face what I was doing by email … and the cop said — no problem as long as you don’t threaten … but don’t you think what you are doing is a bit of an over-reaction???? He won’t care anyway…
And I said — yeah maybe it’s a bit extreme… but I operate in a world where there MUST be consequences… and the only power I have against the state in this case — the state that employs lying f789faces… is to withdraw my support to the state. To offshore jobs — so that the state does not get the tax $$$$. It won’t change anything but as a matter of principle it must be done.
And now I withdraw another job from this sinking sh-it hole… I will not longer pay taxes here…. why would I? And Aussie welcomes me with a very friendly and loving low to no tax offer…. which is available to all NZ PP holders who generate income from outside the country … only available to NZ PP holders… almost like they are trying to Suck the Blood of NZ!!!
hahaha.. what’s not to like about that? Any way that I can put a few more nails in the coffin the better….
Who knows – I may sour on Aussie — but at least Perth is only a few hours flight from the wonders of Asia… and it’s warm…
And there are lots of sharks to waste with high powered rifles…and I’ve been to the beach and there are loads of hot fit units in bikinis to admire from afar… no Plough Hogs like in NZ (maybe if there were good beaches here they’d be forced to slim down???)
And I also reckon the property market has peaked out — the downside risks are huge… and everyone is chanting ‘QT property never goes down QT property never goes down’ — I remember HK chanting that…. not no more https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/07/hong-kong-home-prices-plummet-to-five-year-lows-and-could-drop-further.html
No plans to buy anything in WA… rent. Other than my bike and hockey bag — all of my clothes (after giving stuff away that I don’t wear) can literally fit into one suitcase…
M Fast is a different story … but I’ve got her to optimize down to about 3 cubic metres…
Thereby making any future moves… simple and cheap.
Australians are like the Americans of Asia … even worse actually — cuz they have almost no contact with other countries so they actually think they are a big deal cuz they are the only whiteys in the region (the NZers dont count).. big fish small pond …
a country full of MOREONS who call her by her first name as if she’s their sister…
in fairness we used to call the Queen by her first name, like she was our sister
“The French Know How to Protest” 😜
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/civil-unrest/the-french-know-how-to-protest/
“French farmers throw manure on government buildings to protest high taxes in agricultural sector. This is an effective protest.”
When there are Guillotines in use, then we see effective and rapid change.
When “Elite” human heads are used to build pyramids then democracy in action will be tangible.
Canada needs to start immediately….the French can catch up.
Ever single member of the Canadian civil service, all levels of the provincial and Federal legal system and the entire liberal party of Canada…….for a fair and reasonable beginning.
Now we know what those Aztec skull towers were … enlightened democracy!
No guillotine can discover new oilfields.
True
But the bodies that belong to those heads can be fed to sled dog teams and human slaves…….
I am moving on from democracy into what really comes next…..
No guillotine can discover new oilfields.
People are protesting against depletion, just like they were in 300 AD.
Chris Hedges lays out the slaughter on Gaza at the hands of God’s chosen and righteous people. /s
It is a sad situation over there in Gaza. I understand that among other things, Chris Hedges is a Presbyterian Minister.
Don’t you love it how the JOOS complain about the Hologram… and yet they perpetrate the same on the Gazas….
How cool is that
And if you question or criticize that, you are called a “Racist or Antisemitic”. The West has given the Joos a free pass to kill and destroy their neighbors.
it doesn’t bother cuz I am more focused on the industrial farming and animal experimentation …
The only good human is a dead human… dreadful cruel beasts that we are… kill more Gazans… Libyans … Syrians…. feed the Americans more hormones and toxic chemicals… addict them to sugar and other garbage… what’s wrong with that?
In fact my new hobby is watching the herds of obese humans pass by … and passing judgment on them … look at that fat f789… zero control… watches TEEv commercials for deep fried garbage and rushes out to buy some…
I think I saw a TEEv commercial on a football replay recently for tasty fried bread … incredibly cheap … obviously meant to appeal to the morbidly obese loser on a budget… no nutritional value — ‘tasty’ chemical coating … chock full of carbs…
Ooooohhh but TEEv say it’s so tasty!!! Gotta have some of that … and have some of that they will… it’s cheap — but a family pack… and slosh back half a gallon of Coke .. finish it off with a Twinky…
I am incredibly entertained watching the ‘intelligent’ superior species. It is fascinating to watch this pathetic sh.it show
Best of all it’s free. I could drive into town and park outside McDonalds right this minute and see them in action.
‘Who will win Israel’s oil and gas war? When we talk of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, we tend to focus on the latter’s political, social and humanitarian dimensions. But often this comes at the expense of considering an important economic dimension — one which recent events in Gaza have brought into stark relief. Perhaps the most financially destructive aspect of any military occupation is the appropriation of natural resources. And Israel’s is no exception. Yet the site of the most controversial “energy war” between Israel and Palestine is not in the West Bank — but Gaza. In 1999, British Gas Group (BGG) discovered a large gas field (Gaza Marine) at a distance of 17 to 21 nautical miles off the coast of Gaza. This placed it within the bounds of the Oslo II Accord, signed in 1995, which gave the Palestinian Authority (PA) maritime jurisdiction over its waters up to 20 nautical miles from the coast.’?
Rodster, for those of that are sick of your limited choice of child genocide backing candidates for president, here’s someone with a slightly different outlook.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/13381
I don’t speak Ukrainian … can this be real?
“We ask all unmarried women to move in with unmarried men” – Ukraine, because of energy shortages.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/42092
Well, its better to live as a couple than to live with your mom and dad till your 38, like in the US.
Not in the US. Maybe Europe.
I suppose that if you don’t want the birth rate to drop, and there are fewer men than women, the unmarried women need to move in with unmarried men.
Can’t unmarried women move in with unmarried women and unmarried men with unmarried men?
All the women both married and unmarried have tried their level best to leave the country and shack up with men from anywhere else.
Its what women do.
(TRT World)
Let’s sing together now. La la la….
Very strange world. Too many people for resources in Israel/Palestine.
haha… humans
OMG…
“ …when it first started I just had bloodshot eyes, then it turned into a swollen face… all of a sudden I could not see, I could barely talk, my breathing got really bad, basically all my skin was falling off… from the inside out my body was just falling apart…”
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/mrna-nanoparticle-bioweapon-in-action
https://www.bitchute.com/video/945ESJXQu3VI/
This Is What Total Destruction of the Immune System by mRNA Nanoparticle Bioweapon Looks Like…
This poor deceived soul is convinced that he is suffering from the mythical “Long Covid”.
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/this-is-what-total-destruction-of
Hey keith — just keep on shooting up every booster on offer… DUH
I hesitate to refer to a species that does this .. as … intelligent
Chemicals Everywhere
In June, 2016 the Lautenberg Chemical Safety Act was signed into law, amending the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA) of 1976. The TSCA addresses the production, importation, use, and disposal of toxic chemicals, including polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), asbestos, radon, and lead-based paint. Areas excluded from the TSCA are food, drugs, cosmetics and pesticides, regulated by the FDA.
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The TSCA Inventory contains more a catalog of more than 83,000 industrial chemicals, up from 70,000 industrial chemicals in 2005. In 2017, Kieran Mulvaney, writing for The Seeker, reported on an study called, “Synthetic chemicals as agents of global change” published in Frontiers in Ecology and the Environment. Her article started like this:
How many new synthetic chemicals do you think are being produced on an annual basis? Whatever your guess, there’s a pretty good chance it’s a massive underestimate. Fully 10 million new compounds are being unleashed each year: That’s more than 1,100 every hour, or 19 per minute. If you read at about the same speed as I do, eight new compounds will have been produced by the time it takes you to get to the end of this sentence.
Over the last 50 years, the earth’s inhabitants have been exposed to millions of tons of chemicals which are absorbed into animals, fish, birds, reptiles, and plants putting every living thing at risk for serious health problems, including cancer, birth defects, and death.
Incredibly, little is known regarding the true risks these chemicals have on human health, as the vast majority have never been tested. Incredible, isn’t it? For her article, Mulvaney interviewed G. Allen Burton, an ecological research at the University of Michigan. He added these comments,
Toxicity is Generational
A study conducted by the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) found that critical levels of pervasive contamination have occurred worldwide. In spring 2005, the WWF collected blood specimens from thirteen families for analysis. The study was unique in that the specimens were gathered from three generations of one family (grandmother, mother, and child) across 12 European Union countries: Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Poland, Sweden, and Luxembourg. The blood was analyzed for 107 different persistent organic pollutants (POPs), a total of 73 hazardous chemicals were found in all generations, with some of the highest levels found in children.
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Each person, grandmother, mother and child, was found to be contaminated with a cocktail of at least 18 man-made chemicals, including PCBs and DDT, which have been banned for decades. The WWF went on to analyze blood samples from 350 more people. In all cases, each person was found to be contaminated with a mixture of persistent, highly toxic, man-made chemical. Even in Western societies, no one can avoid the onslaught of billions of pounds of chemicals being disbursed across our planet each year.
https://drtenpenny.substack.com/p/chemicals-everywhere/comments
Intelligence at the service of greed can only produce idiocy, that’s all.
And greed is of course the prime mover of homo stupidus stupidus.
All animals are greedy – the problem with humans is they know how to feed the greed by innovating… using their ‘intelligence’
I am amused that most people would disagree with FE on this ..
Litmus test is coming … will we or will we not end up extinct due to our innovations…
They will be proved to be MOREONS
Hey norm >>> do you ever go to a shop or a pub and folks recognize you from OFW and scream – there he is there he is – it’s the NOF from OFW — the NOF!!!
Then they throw rotten tomatoes at you?
The end of IC is more or less in the cards, notwithstanding the dashing efforts of the technocratic clique. Extinction of human life I don’t know for sure. About that I expect to have a more accurate answer on my 90th birthday in 2059.
the 2060s are going to be brutal.
I’m not sure greed got anything to do with innovation, rather curiosity.
Wasn’t it Mr DNA a while back, if I recall correctly?
You know, the species sexual dimorphism, instincts and tendencies that eventually outputted a bona fide Hyper Tryhard Attaboy of the male gender, and a Hyper MOARon 304 of the female?
Name one thing that is wrong with projecting statuses and prestiges by blowing through copious amounts of fossil fuels as a coping mechanism for mental illness?
This is what happens when “nature” straps on a large neocortex on a monkey. Yes indeed, the Rapacious Primate was born. A faux civil species, a vile beast heavily engaged in Monkey Business. Always on the move to act anti civilizational through the outwards projection of egotistic fantasies.
It’s the smell of a Deranged Monkey™
Just get the message inside your skull and nod vigorously in agreement. Then let’s chant together:
(etc.)
🤣👍👍
It’s the smell of a Deranged Monkey™
Yo….lo…… Yo…. lo…
Yolo Yolo (getting louder)
YOLO YOLO YOLO YOLO (bellow it with passion)
Come on!!!!! LOUDER YOLO YOLO YOLO YOLO YOLO YOLO!!!!!!!
Stinking f789ing vaxxed monkeys… wanking in trees…. yet believing they are superior to all… fighting over discounted TEEvs… or prancing about with the Louis Vuitton bags ‘look at me look at me – I am a superior monkey’ (yeah sure you are and you still stink)….
A lovely species, the pride of the double helix. 🧬
Quadruple face palms.
4️⃣🙈
And we, us hoomans, worry about AI?
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Fortunately, the good Dr. Tenpenny has supplements for all the ills she is cataloguing. As does Alex Jones. As does Mike Adams. As does Dr. Mercola, come to think of it ……
One hopes these are all good supplements, of course………
Dr. Tenpenny also suggests not buying cheese if it’s packed in hard plastic. Is soft plastic OK? I am confused.
China restarts COVID-19 testing in hospitals, airports
Official directives highlight the coronavirus as one of several respiratory illnesses ripping through the country.
Authorities in China have started testing people for COVID-19 again in hospitals and transportation hubs as a wave of respiratory disease tears through the country, according to local residents and government directives.
As parents and children continued to flock to pediatric clinics and emergency rooms in Beijing with severe respiratory disease, hospitals are once more performing COVID-19 tests on patients, although there has been little on the news regarding a resurgence of the virus, new variants of which are emerging globally.
Child Mask Mandates Have No Clear Benefits And Cause Harm, BMJ Review Finds
A new systematic review has been published in Archives of Disease in Childhood, one of the journals of the British Medical Journal, by Sandlund et al. titled ‘Child mask mandates for COVID-19: a systematic review‘.
Since no randomised controlled trials have even been conducted on child mask-wearing or mask mandates, the authors systematically reviewed observational studies and included 22 in the final analysis: six found child mask mandates were associated with lower rates of infection; the other 16 didn’t.
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/end-times-headline-news-december-53d
Is this surprising?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WfGvVNyMS2im/
According to this video, “ONLY THE VACCINATED DIED DURING THE 1918 SPANISH FLU.”
Actually, it also says that most people died of bacterial pneumonia. It was the wearing of masks that encouraged this problem. Anthony Fauci wrote a paper about this so he certainly knew that masks could be harmful.
“According to this video, “ONLY THE VACCINATED DIED DURING THE 1918 SPANISH FLU.”
That really impressive if they are talking about flu vaccine since it didn’t exist until the 40s and 50s.
Did they also show their time machine?
It wasn’t the flu vaccine who did the trick. It was the meningitis one, plus industrial doses of aspirin. Search it.
Indeed the silly bastards did not seem to equate the loss of blood coagulation to anything other than the disease itself.
Unfortunate that.
There is also a theory that a lot of it was Aspirin poisoning. The doctors and nurses were giving the stuff out as if it was M&Ms
In essence, the complaint alleges that Meta (Facebook and Instagram) has been lying about policing child porn on its network:
In fact, contrary to Meta’s public representations, Meta’s platforms contain account after account with images and associated text depicting pornography, nudity, pedophilia, sexual assault, incest, and sexual fetishes. These accounts often consisted of immense social networks of individuals following and commenting on pornographic videos and images posted on the platforms. Many of the images found on Meta’s platforms were excluded from this Complaint as too graphic and disturbing.
Demonstrating not only Meta’s tolerance for the most exploitative content but also Meta’s ability to limit such material if it so chose, searches for this particular type of content yielded 30 results on OnlyFans and 646 results on Pornhub, but 19,900 results on Instagram and 15,900 on Facebook.
The reference to “cheese pizza” is a well-known pedophile code for child sexual abuse. One of the complaint’s allegations described how investigators, posing as a 13-year-old user named Taya, was repeatedly offered sexualized grooming content:
Taya also conducted a search for “chicken soup,” which is widely understood, because of its initials, to signify “child sex.” She was pointed to this account, which invites the user to “Follow if you like little things”—a reference to sexual interest in children—with cheese pizza emojis for child pornography. The account invites contact “for trade” (or trade in child sexual images) and then shows pictures of young girls in bra tops.
That’s only the beginning. The complaint goes on to describe how investigators penetrated a dystopian world of transactional child porn and even live human trafficking, all seemingly facilitated by Meta’s software, which not only permitted the posts but helped pedophiles find each other, the content, and kids. Facebook and Instagram persistently pushed ads for adult sexual content to accounts that New Mexico investigators created posing as children.
Within hours, Facebook accounts for preteen girls (allegedly 13+) created by investigators reached the maximum number of 5,000 followers — without any promotion by the child. Most followers were men between 18 and 40. I don’t need to tell you what kinds of direct messages these accounts received. But whatever you can imagine, it was worse. Here’s one pretty tame example that the investigator’s fake preteen account received:
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/chicken-soup-saturday-december-9
If there are any Nasty Geriatric Men on OFW who are in this group… you might want to delete your account asap … you are now on The List… and they are watching…
“Jeffrey David Sachs is an American economist, academic, public policy analyst, and former director of The Earth Institute at Columbia University, where he holds the title of University Professor.[5][6] He is known for his work on sustainable development, economic development, and the fight to end poverty.[7]”
> Economic Changes in the World – Jeffrey Sachs, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen
Styx tried to warn us 40 years ago!!!
“In the very end, civilizations perish because they listen to their politicians and not to their poets.”
― Jonas Mekas
Is Taylor Swift to be considered a poet? Who else do you have in mind?
Piers Morgan has caught another cold.
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1732805411848241263
I’m curious today, Timbo san. When did you emigrate to Japan, how old were you at the time, and what encouraged you to move?
Emigrated in 1982. At age 23. As I remember it now, I had three things motivating me.
(1) Like many British people at that time, I was not at all happy with the way the country was going. We had Thatcher battling the coal minors at home and the Argentinians in the South Atlantic.
(2) Even then, I was irritated by the “normies” (although I didn’t refer to them by that name—I would have regarded myself a a “non-conformist” at the time) and knew that I would never fit it, and was apprehensive about the prospect of doing 40 years of 9-to-5 office work and paying off a mortgage on a semi in the suburbs.
And (3), (which determined my destination) I had a Japanese girlfriend and visited Japan for a month in 1980, and Japan for me back then seemed like an Alice in Wonderland world where everything was new and unfathomable and dynamic and exciting on that account. So I dropped everything, pulled up my stakes, ignored all the good advice well-meaning friends, family and colleagues were giving me back home.
Sometimes, when you’re young, you just have to make a giant leap into the unknown. Back in the early 1980s, I also knew and was very fond of an angelic and vivacious Malaysian Chinese girl from Penang, who was studying in London at the time. We were just friends – promise! But had things gone a little differently, I might have ended up settling down in Penang, or Kuala Lumpur, or even Singapore, instead of Japan. I get on very well with the Malaysians and Singaporeans in general.
You must have learned Japanese and perhaps other Asian languages early on.
Gail, I learned Japanese from books and audio tapes at the start, and from TV. The family I stayed with for the first half year had it on constantly, and I remember the very first Japanese I began to comprehend was the limited vocabulary related to the weather forecast. Everyday, rain or shine, warm or cold, they always announce the weather forecast, and after a month or two, it started to make sense spontaneously.
I’m not very good at languages. For instance, I sat in French class for four years in school and all I can remember is the nursery rhyme Frère Jacques. French bells go “Ding, Dang, Dong, Ding, Dang, Dong.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrPiWFxmY24
But I found Japanese fun to learn and communicate with, and I needed to master it up to intermediate level in order to function here, so I persisted with it.
If you enjoy the way Yoda talks in Star Wars, you will probably get a kick out of Japanese. Like Korean, it is an SOV language, which means that the basic word order in a sentence is subject–object–verb, while most European languages including English, and also Chinese and Vietnamese, are SVO languages.
It’s more motivating when the end result is being able to score…
For instance… when I moved to Hong Kong … I had a list of pick up phrases in Cantonese that I memorized…
e.g. would you like to go meet for a coffee or would you prefer to come to my place and watch a movie?
I found this to be a very effective strategy with a new target…. it’s a very subtle difference … yet actually it is profound…
You see if you ask the target to come over and watch a movie — they will think you are humsup lo… translates into pervert… only after one thing…
Even though they might desire to get down with a foreigner … they would likely decline that offer…
However .. however… if you give then The Option of a drink or a coffee… that’s a Game Changer… it turns the table… he offered the option for a friendly meeting … he’s not humsup … do I want to be a naughty wild thing… I normally wouldn’t .. but it’s a foreigner.. with blue eyes… always wanted to try… nobody will find out… so a movie it is …
So you’re the adventurous sort, made your move at a young age, and have put down deep roots in Japan. Thanks for your detailed reply. 🙂
“Emigrated in 1982. At age 23”
That’s quite a story. What did you do?
My daughter, who graduated from high school in 2000 (Palo Alto) took Japanese from high school through college. She visited and speaks Japanese well enough to get around.
I lived there in the early 50s (Dad was in the army) but did not learn the language. It’s where I acquired my appreciation of fireworks.
Keith, it IS a small world. I expect you lived on a US base then? Some of those places are huge, and inside them it’s just like good old-fashioned American suburbia used to be, even today. I’ve driven around a couple of them and the lawns are perfectly manicured.
This is a bit hard even for me to believe, but I landed in Osaka with enough funds to keep me going for a year or two, but no job offer, so I had to hustle for a while. At the beginning, I did some private English teaching and some modeling, mostly for clothing and sportswear catalogues. Young Westerners were in demand back then. There were not nearly enough of us to go around, and advertisers paid very well.
After three and a half years, I found a job at an advertising agency as a copywriter. And after two and a half years of that, I went freelance/self employed, doing translation, copywriting and editing. I’m still self-employed 35 years later and unable to retire because I have half a dozen clients who won’t let me. Word is that a considerable chuck of the Japanese economy could collapse if I was not around to support it.
is this you Tim????
of course we know you are quite a bit older now…
https://231webdev.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/don-draper.jpg
I don’t want to dox Tim, but I reckon a few quick web searches will show you an image of a kind looking and gracefully aged Brit.
Sorry Tim, couldn’t resist.
😅❤️
Yellow fever, I get it, I have it to.
🙂 “I’m big, in Japan”
At least the the Japanese are upfront about you being an outside-person right from the get go. That’s what Gaigin means, right? That’s why it works so well, you don’t pretend to be Japanese and they don’t pretend to like you!
If I could make a really broad generalization, the Japanese don’t show their feelings as much as the British do. And the British don’t show their feelings as much as the Mediterranean peoples such as the Greeks do.
I would say that in the UK, the US and France, foreigners are expected to be able to speak the national language, and those that can’t do that are often treated poorly. In Japan, I’ve always found that foreigners are expected not to be able to speak Japanese, and when they do speak it to strangers, they are met with pleasant surprise, even glee.
Also, at the bank, the city office, the department store, or the mobile phone provider’s shop, foreign customers who speak Japanese are greeted more than anything else with relief. I imagine the person on the other side of the counter thinking, “At least I won’t have to try communicating with this one in Gaijinese.”
Gaijin comes from the characters “outside” and “person”, so yes, it does mean “outside-person”. But it doesn’t necessarily mean “outsider” in the negatives sense of the English “outsider” who has no business poking their nose into domestic matters. It means “foreigner” in the more neutral sense of “somebody not from round here”.
Let’s look at the etymology of “Foreigner.”
c. 1300, ferren, foran, foreyne, in reference to places, “outside the boundaries of a country;” of persons, “born in another country,” from Old French forain “strange, foreign; outer, external, outdoor; remote, out-of-the-way” (12c.), from Medieval Latin foraneus “on the outside, exterior,” from Latin foris (adv.)
Even after 40 years in Japan, I’ll always be a foreigner. And that’s not a problem at all, because I’m house-trained. I take my shoes off when I step into the genkan. Even in the most exclusive places, they treat me like a guide dog, not a stray.
On the whole, today’s Japanese are actually a lot more accommodating to the British than the British are to each other. They even put up with the yobbish behavior of some of the feral young Westerners on the streets of Shinjuku to a far greater extent than is strictly necessary. To polite for their own good? Or smart enough to realize that confrontation can exacerbate a difficult situation and ignoring bad behavior can be a smart way to deal with it?
Hey I am in Penang. Maybe we can meet up for coffee and talking about OFW.. perhaps in another dimension or parallel world
I know you are, CTG. And there is small possibility that you have run into that angelic lady sometime, as there’s a good chance she’s living there too. But she would be about 63 or 64 now, probably with a husband, children, and grandchildren; and I doubt if I’d even recognize her if I saw her now.
Hah! He said the reason he got it is that he wasn’t up to date with boosters. You can’t make this stuff up.
So 13 th consecutive month of decline in manufacturing but GDP grew by 5.2% . The Empire of Lies .
https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/u-s-manufacturing-sector-contracts-for-13th-consecutive-month-in-november/
Wonder how Peter Ziehan will try and spin those numbers.
Surely it has been contracting for longer than that. I am guessing it has been contracting since at least 2008. Yes, the numbers were cooked by successive governments.
For years it looks to me from PMI data that’s split between “manufacturing” and “services” for almost all economies that the latter can appear quite divergent from life as I see it around me.
Pump up health and education and we’re off to the races. Taking in each other’s laundry
When I note the PMI data in my mind I think of “services” sector as largely the bullshit jobs described so eloquently by David Graeber.
If its measurement is so arbitrary it could be very prone to inaccuracy
” Additionally, the Backlog of Orders Index fell below 40 per cent, indicating a strong contraction in this area.”
Doesn’t sound good for the future, either.
GDP is completely detached from reality
When I keep asking the ChatGPT about the solutions for my personal life, I end up with the answers that I should seek the help of a mental health specialist. If this is the answer that the machines can provide us, we should get rid of them, as we need a personal spiritual salvation, without the burden of the ageing bodies, we are born with.
Where do I sign up for the Butlerian Jihad?
Not even kidding a little…….
China’s deflation worsens as economic pressures mount
China’s consumer prices fell 0.5 per cent year on year in November, the sharpest decline in three years as the world’s second-largest economy grapples with worsening deflation.
Consumer prices dropped by more than the 0.2 per cent decline forecast by a Bloomberg survey of economists and exceeded October’s fall of 0.2 per cent.
Producer prices, which are measured at factory gates and heavily driven by the cost of commodities and raw materials, dropped by 3 per cent and have remained in negative territory for the past year.
Consumer prices entered deflationary territory in July and briefly rose in August before falling again in October. The deflationary trend adds to an array of economic pressures facing the country’s policymakers, including a liquidity crunch in the property sector, weak trade data and a slowing recovery from three years of zero-Covid lockdowns and border closures.
Consumer demand has struggled to fully rebound in 2023, while policymakers have set an economic growth target of just 5 per cent, the lowest rate in decades.
https://archive.ph/bcWbn#selection-1575.0-1575.53
The world economy is more dependent on China than the rest of the world would like to admit. China has been the manufacturing hub of the world. It has been using over 50% of many of the world’s commodities. Without China’s demand, prices for commodities often fall too low.
Can’t they just bulldoze the ghost cities… and start over again????
come on man!!! Help us out
ravi, some days back commented: “This seems a big battle between US money and OPEC oil production. OPEC removes real oil from the market, US money sells hundreds of millions of paper barrels. As long as tanks are full enough the paper barrel will win – until they not.”
And way back on this session he’d previously remarked about more than one financial commodities’ market being controlled, manipulated … which sets the mind wandering. Surely, word for word the quote above could have been from the keyboards of gold bugs two decades ago, mutatis mutandis. The gang: Bill Murphy, Jim Sinclair, GoldEagle, CafeAmericaine. And what happened? Rien de rien.
Since then we’ve seen the LIBOR scandal and all the fraud in crypto which seems determined to stick its proboscis in to the veins of global official money … so where does crime stop and legitimate interests commence? Various TBTFers have been occasionally fined (cost of doing good business) and no one blinks. The story always has the same end – demand delivery and expose the nakedness. But who has more barrels than JPM has electrons?
And, Ravi, if not one, two, or a mere handful, why yet not more and more and more. Why aren’t all futures prices FAKE? I, for one, couldn’t tell. Could you?
Go on, try. Deliver against those who have unlimited credit to writing contracts against you
How far’s that going to get, beyond broke?
Because as I understand it, however, in commodities markets TBTF guys under the “rules” have a privileged position in that their traders have unlimited writing contract power without providing exterior margins to clearinghouses, just their own “creditworthiness”, AA and all that, cough cough, unlike mug punters who have to pay up. Its readily apparent that laws of the bezzle being what they are, the Suck, the little guy inevitably gets taken to the cleaners while the fool wins lotto, or something like that.
make sense, though, that commodity producers may be tempted to sell on bilateral contract, outside the commodities futures market pricing.
Well, ultimately it comes down to producers selling for prices set by someone else. If you don’t want to sell it at that price, don’t. Until they figure out that basic fact, they’re fucked. Why are they selling to their enemies, anyways? Go figure. It just tells me they have failed / under-developed societies. If you have the human capital to run an industrialized society, you should use the resources yourself rather than exporting them. It’s pathetic, but that’s par for the course with humanity.
With you on this Moss . As George Carlin said ” It’s abig club and you ain’t in it ” . “Suck, the little guy inevitably gets taken to the cleaners ” absolutely correct .
Completely hypothecally (stated above: I can’t know the facts), the club can run anything to anywhere, BTC to USD25m each
the only string holding the illusion together being the belief on the part of voters in the USD actually having any value.
In such a case, I’m sure members of the club domiciled elsewhere will have their own rackets to run
Generally, I watch the entertaining USDTKR price most days as it’s towards the top of DailySabah news. And in the tradingeconomies FX shortlist.
DailySabah, when it’s its own reporting and not just reitterating the usual suspects, has a very functional mouthing in English official Erdogan views
Red herrings, wishful thinking, and excellent photos
For example, from today
Speaking to reporters on his flight back from Greece, where he met Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis and several ministers, Erdoğan said the meetings were held in a “very positive” atmosphere.
… “We strive to develop and expand cooperation with Greece not only in the field of energy but also in all areas, including nuclear energy,” Erdoğan said.
… During his visit, Türkiye and Greece and signed more than a dozen cooperation deals on trade, energy and education and announced a road map for future high-level consultations aimed at avoiding crises.
“I believe that my visit, which took place in a very positive atmosphere, will open a new page in Türkiye-Greece relations,” Erdoğan said.
dailysabah.com/business/energy/turkiye-greece-could-cooperate-on-nuclear-energy-erdogan
sometimes there will be articles about discussions on NATO bases, IMF commitments, military purchases with which Erdogan plays a very cunning razor edge game with all sides he can
Blinken goes there regularly
Not doubt a completely random coincidence but when the west is pushing hard against a pending decision the currency weakens dramatically which is a major lever of inflation currently above 60% for the last 12m.
Schad time!
Piers Morgan is in hospital with a tube in his nose, AGAIN!
And this quote is priceless!
“If only I’d had another Covid booster, I wouldn’t have caught the damn thing again and wouldn’t be feeling so rough. That’ll teach me for listening to ill-informed anti-vaxx imbeciles on the internet…!”
https://twitter.com/hartgroup_org/status/1733111092828581917?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Looks fake… he doesnt look ill… perhaps they did that to give him the opp to say — if I’d only taken that 6th booster I’d not be here????
Greg Hunter interviews Karen Kingston.
(I love… I say.. I love his Foghorn Leghorn accent.)
By Greg Hunter December 5, 2023
Karen Kingston is a biotech analyst and former Pfizer employee who says Texas AG Ken Paxton’s recent lawsuit is charging Pfizer for many “lies” about their CV19 vax being safe and effective. Kingston contends this is going to begin a great awakening to the murders and disease caused by these injections.
Many doctors now say the CV19 vax did not help a single person. Let that sink in. Kingston explains, “What Paxton and his team are going to do is expose thousands and thousands of lies that you were told by Pfizer and, specifically, CEO Albert Bourla.
Albert Bourla went on a campaign of deception and a lying spree that resulted in a killing spree, and Bourla knew it. Ken Paxton and his legal team are charging Pfizer under the Deceptive Trade Practices Act of Texas. There are five counts they are being charged with across 18 violations. The 95% efficacy was not what you thought it was. . . . There was no evidence that it would stop transmission and infecting others. There was no evidence it worked against the variants. Then . . . there was the charge of scheming to suppress the truth about the failing vaccine. . . . This is huge.”
How big is this? Kingston says, “It could be $350 billion in fines for Pfizer, and they cannot get out of this by going bankrupt.”
Kingston goes on to say, “I think the actual truth is you were not injected with a vaccine. The immune response you got, and they called it a robust response, is really your body’s response to being poisoned to foreign material that is in your body. It’s genetic material as well as inorganic material.
This is not a vaccine, and people were involved in criminal human experimentation as were their children. They were experimented on with a biotechnology pathogen. This is per our National Institutes of Health and our U.S. military.”
Kingston started warning about the death and dangers of this CV19 vax more than two years ago on USAWatchdog.com. She called the CV19 vax “poison,” and the millions of deaths and injuries worldwide prove her right. Sadly, Kingston will continue to be right.
She says the peak in disabilities won’t happen until 2025, and peak deaths from the CV19 injections come after that. Kingston says, “I also predicted that people would be dying from aggressive cancers and large cancer tumors out of nowhere. I also said this is criminal, you can sue Pfizer and you can have criminal charges against Pfizer. I think we are going to get a great awakening to do that, and people do not have to remain a victim.
This is murder, and it is no different than me having a cupcake company and I put cyanide in the cupcakes. . . .and I did not expose to you my natural ingredients. That’s murder.”
https://rumble.com/v3zto5j-pfizer-lawsuit-awakens-us-to-mass-cv19-vax-murders-karen-kingston.html
The DOD is behind this. And the Elders control the DOD. Nothing will happen
I am afraid you are correct.
Agree, sadly.
Greg Hunter loves the Joos. I challenged him on Israel committing genocide and ethnic cleansing and he censored me. If you say anything critical about Israel he considers that antisemitism.
I find it hypocritical that he invites people like Paul Craig Roberts on his show and won’t dare bring up the topic on Israel because PCR doesn’t think too highly of God’s chosen people. Neither does Gerald Celente, although he he did bring up the topic once about Israel and Gerald Celente went off on Israel. That was the last time he asked Gerald about Israel.
Thanks! I’ll bear what you’ve said in mind, but all that notwithstanding, he does allow people to come on and push the “jabs bad” narrative. And he does do a very good Foghorn Leghorn impression. It’s almost as good as the Deputy Dawg impression Phil Gramm does.
I can’t wrap my head around the Israel-Palestine situation. It’s all too horrible. It’s always been horrible, but now it’s an eye for a making everyone blind. There are lots of good people among the Israelis and among the Arabs, and lots of bastards too. And lots of innocent victims. And war is a great excuse for the worst bastards to act out their sadistic fantasies of cruelty and domination. And blaming one side or standing with one side isn’t going to cut it.
I said last month that if I was a Jewish Israeli, I would have left and if I was a Palestinian Arab I would have left. And somebody said I sounded smug, and I suppose I did. Because not everybody is in a position to leave. But I still think it’s a really smart thing to do from a self-preservation point of view. For people who put their group or their nation or their ideology before their self-preservation, of course leaving is not an option.
Perhaps Keith can work out whether gene-based altruism dictates that one should remain in place to defend one’s group’s territory when being attacked by bombs, tanks and missiles? And whether this is going on because humans are genetically hard-wired to make war in this fashion? And perhaps Mirror could explain whether ethnic cleansing is justified in some circumstances but not in others.
I am horrified by what’s going on in Gaza. A case in point:
Gaza Poet, Writer, Refaat Alareer Killed In Targeted Strike With 6 Family Members; Had Angered Bari Weiss, Max Blumenthal Accuses Weiss Of “Inspiring” Death Threats And IDF Targeting
Beloved Palestinian writer, poet, and teacher Refaat Alareer, founder of the Gaza based organization “We Are Not Numbers,” has been killed in an Israeli airstrike along with six members of his family. He was known for his lifelong devotion to encouraging story telling and writing, including the book Gaza Writes Back, featuring writing from young Palestinians.
According to the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor, Alareer had gotten direct death threats from an Israeli officer, knew he was a target, and had re-located to his sister’s home, and killed there by a surgical strike.
https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/gaza-poet-writer-refaat-alareer-killed?
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/12/08/is-truth-becoming-valueless/
“We were raised with the obligation instilled in us to tell the truth. A person who lied was too reprehensible to be associated with or to do business with. This standard, if applied today, would eliminate the entirety of the Western print and TV media, NPR, BBC, and all the rest of the Ministry of Propaganda, and all Western governments, and a large percentage of university faculties, administrators, and public school officials and teachers, who all lie in order to advance evil agendas, such as the demonization of white gentiles, sexual perversion, transgenderism and war.
Today the inroad on truth has reached the point in which Zionist Israel’s genocide of the Palestinian people is described as Israel’s right to self-defense, Russia’s rescue of the Donbas Russians is said to be an invasion of Ukraine, and national sovereignty is said to be fascist and racist.”
I looked on Wikipedia and Paul Craig Roberts is 84 years old. He was brought up at a different time than most of us today. He says, “The United States in the 1940s and 1950s was a far better place than it is today.”
About 1960 seems to have been a turning point. The Interstate Highway System got its start in 1956, with the passing of the legislation that provided that the Federal Government would pay 80% of the costs of a system of controlled access highways, if they met certain standards. I imagine by 1960, the roads that were built were starting to make a difference. Instead of walking to a neighborhood store, it became convenient to drive to a bigger store on the edge of town, or even in a nearby city. Downtowns of small towns started withering away.
Television became popular around this point, too. According to this source https://dp.la/exhibitions/radio-golden-age/radio-tv#
“Before 1947, only a few thousand American homes owned television sets. Just five years later, that number jumped to 12 million. By 1955, half of American homes had a TV set.”
People in rural areas and small towns could see how city people lived. Advertising from major manufacturers could start playing a role.
I think the actual truth is you were not injected with a vaccine. The immune response you got, and they called it a robust response, is really your body’s response to being poisoned to foreign material that is in your body.
Sounds exactly like a vaccine to me.
I see your point.
But in that case, I guess a rusty nail could be considered a tetanus vaccine.
Scratch yourself with a “dirty” needle or blade or sharp edge, and you are likely to get inflammation, redness, pain and swelling at the point of puncture. Then, according to the immune boosting hypothesis, it’s a matter of “what doesn’t kill us only makes our immune response stronger.”
On the other hand, do it too often and you may develop immune exhaustion, which is something along the AIDS spectrum.
How much of this immunology stuff is real and how much is make believe, I have no idea. Being lied to about so many things over so many decades has led me to develop trust exhaustion, or Acquired Credence Deficiency Syndrome, in many kinds of authorities.
You get immune exhaustion also by eating too much gluten, or by stressing too much. But despite the incredible concepts that are bandied about here, the immune system is the fastest part of your body at regenerating. A 15 days vacation in the sun with good food is all that is needed. Incidentally, when in the US I would track some blood indicators of mine to assess my health, since it has been at least 8 years that I believe nothing medical professionals say. And I could see significant changes in white blood cells, for example.
Summary: You want the “real” rule book which rules when followed produce outcomes consistent with the rules.
Dennis L.
Err on the side of caution — take no vaccines… eliminate sugar… eat organic… exercise.
And when you are walking past the Dumpster and Super Snatch is bellowing like a cow moose in heat… turn around and run… norm is likely nearby and rutting … he gets ornery if there are other males in the vicinity…
Continuing increases in mortality is not supported by Euro data. On the contrary the vaccine acts quickly, kills those that it has to kill, and disappears. Subsequent doses increase mortality, but you have to get the 2nd and 3rd, otherwise no cigar (so to speak). Now the raw data may hide a specific effect, which is that between covid and the vaccine most of the weakest population has disappeared, leaving a fairly robust group which is harder to kill.
At present, I am considering the Covid injectables as a stressor (whatever else they may be) in the same way that tobacco smoke or alcohol or ionizing radiation or rancid food or many agricultural and industrial chemicals and pharmaceuticals are stressors.
The hypothesis is that these things all result in free radicals that damage the body’s structure, contributing to physical aging, degradation of bodily functions, cancer and diseases of various organs and the cardiovascular system.
If you stop exposing yourself to these things, they should stop damaging your body, and in time it may heal. But it is also possible that the damage done will not heal and that it reveal itself years or decades after you stop the exposure.
Which brings me to a subject that interests me greatly: what are we going to do about damage to telomeres?
A Google search brought up three papers with differing prognoses. They are all just over a decade old.
Telomeric DNA damage is irreparable and causes persistent DNA damage response activation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3717580/
Aging by Telomere Loss Can Be Reversed
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1934590910007083
How “reversible” is telomeric aging?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23041472/
Karen Kingston is predicting a peak in post-jab illnesses for around 2025 and a peak in mortality several years after that. She may be overly pessimistic, but based on the levels of injuries and deaths reported from the jabs so far, I don’t think we should rule this out. It could very well be that while most people will who took several shots will have no life-altering side effects from them, a significant number will be hit years or decades down the road by shots they’ve already taken.
It is all possible. A good way to simplify the hypotheses is that Europe used to have a population with an average life expectancy of, say, 82 years. But that is because we are averaging some guys with an expectancy of 80 and some with an expectancy of 84. Many of the 80 group have now been killed. The mortality is still corresponding to a LE of 82, but possibly this is due to the 84 group having now a LE of 83.5. But, small effects i expect.
In my view, the great disappointment for who launched these kind of ‘vaccines’ is that these vaccines didn’t convince well the average European person that the mRna technology is something to trust about.
In fact, I see from the news that the rate of vaccination has decreased this winter.
Also people that don’t follow what are defined (in mainstream media) ‘conspiracies’ theories, now have some doubt.
(By the way, I remember well that after Russia had just launched Sputnik, when the mRna were approved, Putin said: ‘it is too soon, we will see the result only in 10 years time’).
Now that unfortunately the trust is low, I think that they are disappointed.
For instance, the purpose of characters like Angelo is actually to try to put some doubt also inside some ‘difficult’ blog like this one.
Who launched is really disappointed now, because people in general has little faith in mRna, and, on the contrary, it was something they were counting on for the future (like for instance for each flu season).
There is no hard push on the boosters… cuz they’ve already destroyed their immune systems
Fast Eddy, they wanted to make it become mRna jabs as the ‘new standard’ and that has not happened.
They are still fighting to try to paint it as a success, but unfortunately for them also normal people as some doubt now.
They are disappointed.
The propaganda machine will come back to try to bend this wrong direction.
Our friend Angelo was here for that.
I make you a question: have you ever seen him in this blog before, to talk of ‘finite resources’?
To bring some contribute of the fundamental discussion of this blog?
I never seen him before, but maybe you know better than me, as I think you are have been here for longer time than me.
He took his beating from Fast Eddy… and scampered back down his rat hole… like most of them
Fast Eddy = a beacon of light and genius… in a sea of ignorance and stoopidity.
HIS greatness will persist … even when the extinction is complete.
When a group of people have put in place a new ‘platform’, made of a new industrial complex, factories, labs, researches and so on, this group of people doesn’t want to use all this investment only one time.
The purpose was to use it on a constant basis for the future, in order to reach the objectives that they want, either to weaken people or to find new experimental treatments (it doesn’t matter for this reasoning), but they are disappointed now, because although they gave Nobel prize to 2 researchers linked to that technology, people don’t have anyway trust on that.
The purpose was to use it on a constant basis for the future…