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Where could the economy be headed now?
Today, there is great wage and wealth disparity, just as there was in the late 1920s. Recent energy consumption growth has been low, just as it was in the 1920s. A significant difference today is that the debt level of the US government is already at an extraordinarily high level. Adding more debt now is fraught with peril.
Where could the economy go from here? In this post, I look at some historical relationships to understand better where the economy has been and where it could be headed. While debt levels and interest rates are important to the economy, a growing supply of suitable inexpensive energy products is just as important.
At the end, I speculate a little regarding where the US, Canada, and Europe could be headed. Division of current economies into parts could be ahead. While the problems of the late 1920s eventually led to World War II, it may be possible for the parts that are better supplied with energy resources to avoid getting into another major war, at least for a while.
[1] Government regulators have been using interest rates and debt availability for a very long time to try to regulate how the economy operates.
I have chosen to analyze US data because the US is the world’s largest economy. The US is also the holder of the world’s “reserve currency,” allowing demand for the US dollar (really US debt) to stay high because of its demand for use in international trade.
Comparing Figure 1 and Figure 2, it is clear that there is a close relationship between the charts. In particular, the highest interest rate in 1981 on Figure 2 corresponds to the lowest ratio of US government debt to GDP on Figure 1.
Up until 1981, the changes in interest rates were either imposed by market forces (“You can’t borrow that much without paying a higher rate”) or else as part of an attempt by the US Federal Reserve to slow an economy that was growing too fast for the available labor supply. After 1981, the same market dynamics no doubt took place, but the overall attempt at intervention by the US Federal Reserve seems to have been in the direction of speeding up an economy that wasn’t growing as fast as desired.
In Figure 2, the 3-month interest rates correspond fairly closely to government target interest rates. The 10-year interest rates tend to move on their own, perhaps somewhat influenced by Quantitative Easing (QE), in which the US government buys back some of its own debt to try to hold down longer-term interest rates. These longer-term interest rates influence US long-term mortgage interest rates.
Recent monthly data show that 10-year interest rates started rising very quickly after reaching a minimum following the Covid response in early 2020. The lowest 10-year average rates took place in July 2020, and rates started moving up in August 2020.
This suggests to me that market forces play a significant role in 10-year interest rates. As soon as people started borrowing money to remodel or to move to a new suburban location, 10-year interest rates, and likely the related mortgage rates, started to drift upward again. If this observation is correct, the Federal Reserve has some control over interest rates, but it cannot adjust the 10-year interest rates underlying mortgages and other long-term debt by as much as it might like.
The apparent inability of the Federal Reserve to adjust longer-term interest rates to as low a level as it would like is concerning because the US government debt level is very high now (Figure 1). Being forced to pay 4% (or more) on long-term debt that rolls over could create a huge cash flow issue for the US government. More debt could be required simply to pay interest on existing debt!
[2] An analysis of actual growth in US GDP over time shows how successful the changing strategies in Figures 1 and 2 have been.
In the 1930s, the US and much of the rest of the world were in the Great Depression. Interest rates were close to 0% (not shown on Figure 2, but available from the same data). Various versions of the New Deal under President Roosevelt were started in 1933 to 1945. Social Security was added in 1935. Figure 4 shows that these programs temporarily increased GDP, but they did not entirely solve the problem that had been caused by defaulting debt and failing banks.
Entering World War II was a huge success for increasing US GDP (Figure 4). Many more women were added to the workforce, making munitions and taking over jobs that men had held before they were drafted into the army.
After the war was over, the total number of jobs available dropped greatly. Somehow, private sector growth needed to be ramped, using debt of some kind, to provide jobs for the returning soldiers and others left without work. An abundant supply of fossil fuels was available, if debt-based demand could be put into place to pull the economy along. Programs were put into place to get factories running again making goods for the civilian economy. Additional jobs and energy demand were created by upgrading the electrical grid, increasing pipeline infrastructure, and (in 1956) starting work on an interstate highway system.
During the period between 1950 to 2023, the average growth rate of the US economy gradually stepped downward, despite all of the debt-based stimulus that was being added after 1981, as shown in Figure 5.
[3] While growing debt is important for pulling an economy forward, a growing supply of energy is essential to actually produce physical goods and services.
Economic growth involves producing physical goods and services. The laws of physics tell us that energy supplies of the right types, in the right quantities, are necessary to make the goods and services that the physical economy depends upon.
The rate of growth of world energy supply has been stepping down over the years, as the easiest (and cheapest) to extract fossil fuels tend to get extracted first. The average rate of increase of all energy supply (not just fossil fuels) is shown in Figure 6:
Comparing Figures 5 and 6, we can see that average annual US GDP growth approximately matched growth in world energy supplies in the first two periods: 1950-1970 and 1971-1980.
In the period 1981-2007, average US GDP growth (of 3.2%) soared above world energy consumption growth (of 2.1%). I would attribute this primarily to outsourcing a significant share of the US’s industrial production as the economy shifted to becoming more of a service economy. There were multiple advantages to moving to a service economy. US oil supply had become restricted, and a service economy would use less oil. Also, the costs of imported goods would be much lower than those made in the US for several reasons, including more efficient newly built factories, lower-wage workers, and the use of inexpensive coal as a fuel instead of oil.
The encouragement of increased use of “leverage” under Ronald Reagan in the US and Margaret Thatcher in the UK no doubt added to the effect of using more debt shown in Figure 1. The US government started borrowing more money, rather than increasing taxes. Businesses became larger and more complex. International trade started playing a larger role.
Recent low growth in energy supplies has created an economic problem that added debt has only partially been able to hide. (In the latest period (2008-2023), both US average GDP growth (at 1.8%) and world energy consumption growth (at 1.5%) were very low.) Figure 1 shows that the US added huge amounts of debt, both after the 2008 financial crisis, and at the time of the Covid response in 2020. If it weren’t for these huge debt infusions, US GDP growth would no doubt have been much lower. GDP counts the quantity of goods and services produced, not whether added debt has been used to manufacture these goods, or whether customers have used debt to purchase these goods.
[4] In some ways, the world economy today is like the economy of the 1920s.
The 1920s were characterized by both the rising use of debt (especially consumer credit), and wide wage and wealth disparities. This was a time of innovation. Some farmers had modern new equipment that greatly enhanced efficiency, while most farmers could not afford this equipment.
Figure 7 shows a pattern of wage disparity that operates in precisely the opposite direction from the interest rate pattern shown in Figure 2. The lower the interest rates, the more the concentration of wealth among a very small portion of the population. The higher the interest rates, the more evenly wage and wealth is divided.
A comparison of Figure 7 with Figure 6 and Figure 5 shows that (at least for the years since 1950), faster energy consumption growth seems to lead to faster economic growth. With faster economic growth, the economy can support higher interest rates and higher wages for lower-paid workers. There is less push for “complexity” to try to replace workers with machines.
When energy consumption growth is low, the economy tends to grow more slowly. The interest rates that corporations and individuals can afford to pay are relatively low. With low interest rates, asset prices of all kinds soar because monthly payments to buy these assets fall. The prices of stocks, bonds, homes, and farms tend to soar. The already rich become richer and richer, as the poor are increasingly squeezed out of the economy.
Physicist Francois Roddier has said that physics dictates the outcome of widely diverging incomes when energy supply is low. It takes much less energy to supply an economy of a few rich people and many poor people than it takes to support an economy with relatively equal incomes. The vast majority of the supposed wealth of the rich exists as promises that can only be fulfilled in the future if there is enough energy of the right kinds to fulfill these promises. Their promised future wealth does not affect today’s energy use. While the energy use of rich people is somewhat higher than that of poor people, much of the difference disappears when a person considers the fact that much of their wealth is essentially “paper wealth” that may or may not actually be present as the future actually unfolds.
Both the 1920s and the latest period (2008-2023) are very low energy-growth periods. The fact that (2008-2023) is a low energy growth period (at 1.5% per year) can be seen on Figure 6. Energy supply was growing even slightly more slowly in the 1920s (based on data from Vaclav Smil’s Energy Transitions). Population was growing by 1.1% per year in both the 1920s and in the latest period (2008-2023.) Net energy consumption per capita growth was slightly negative (-0.1%) in the 1920s and only a very small positive percentage (0.4%) in the 2008-2023 period. Per capita consumption had been growing much more quickly between 1950 and 1980.
[5] The economy becomes very fragile when the growth of energy supply is low, compared to the growth of the world’s population.
Hidden beneath the surface is the problem that there is not enough energy to go around. This problem doesn’t manifest itself in high prices; it manifests itself in unusually large wage disparities. Very rich individuals (such as Bill Gates and Elon Musk) gain excessive influence. Special interests and their drive for profits also become important. At times, this drive for profits can come ahead of the well-being of citizens.
Citizens become more quarrelsome. Differences between and within political parties become greater. Political candidates no longer treat other candidates with the respect we would have expected in the past. The problem is, in some sense, the problem of a game of musical chairs.
Initially, the game has as many players as chairs. The players walk around the outside of the group of chairs as the music plays. In each round, one chair is removed and the players must scramble for the remaining chairs. The person who does not get a chair is eliminated from the game.
[6] It seems to me that major parts of the world economy are transitioning from a growth mode to a mode of shrinkage.
Figure 9 gives a representation of how the world’s growing economy can be visualized, and how it may change in the future.
The fact that growth in the consumption of fossil fuel energy supplies has been retreating to lower levels should be of concern (Figure 6). At some point, the world economy will be in a situation in which the amount of fossil fuels we can extract is falling. While we have some add-ons to the fossil fuel system (including hydroelectric, nuclear, wind, and solar), they are all manufactured using the fossil fuel system and repaired using the fossil fuel system. These add-ons would stop producing not long after the fossil fuel system stops producing. They need fossil fuels to make replacement parts, among other problems.
The amount of growth in energy supply determines the growth in physical goods and services that can be produced. In periods of rapid growth, borrowing from the future, even at a high interest rate, makes sense. In periods of low growth, only loans with a very low interest rate are feasible. When the economy is shrinking, very few investments can repay loans requiring interest.
Needless to say, repaying debt with interest becomes much more difficult in a shrinking economy. In the US, our underlying problem is that since 1981, the US’s financial policy has been “throw every tool in the tool box” at stimulating the economy. We are now running out of tools to stimulate the economy to grow faster. Adding more debt isn’t likely to work very well, or for very long.
At this point, the many government-funded investments aimed at providing green energy and offering transportation by electricity are not paying back well. Citizens are repeatedly being told that there is a need to move away from fossil fuels to prevent climate change. But world CO2 emissions continue to rise. They simply moved to a different part of the world.
[7] What does history since 1920 say may be ahead?
It is hard to see that things will turn out well, but we do know that historical civilizations have collapsed over a period of many years. We can hope that if we are facing the collapse of at least part of the world’s economy, this collapse will also be slow. Some intermediate steps along the line likely include the following:
(a) Stock market collapses. After excessive speculation in the stock market in the late 1920s, the stock market collapsed on October 29, 1929, starting the Great Depression. Another major crash occurred in 2008, during the Great Recession. Both of these speculative bubbles seem to have been fueled by low short-term interest rates.
(b) Drops in the prices of homes, farms, and other assets. The Great Depression is noted for major drops in the prices of farms. The Great Recession is known for major drops in the prices of homes. We are now facing a situation with far too much Commercial Real Estate. Its price logically should fall. Farmers are also having difficulty because wholesale food prices are too low relative to the various costs involved, including interest payments relating to equipment purchases and mortgages. The problem is especially acute if farm property has been purchased at currently inflated prices. The prices of farms logically should fall, also.
(c) Debt defaults, related to asset price drops. Banks, insurance companies, pension plans and many individuals owning bonds will be badly affected if defaults on loans or bonds start increasing. (In fact, even if the market interest rates simply rise, the carrying value on financial statements is likely to fall.) If commercial real estate or a farm is sold and the sales price is less than the outstanding debt, the bank issuing the loan will be left with a loss. This debt is often resold, with credit rating agencies falling short in indicating how risky the debt really is.
(d) Failing banks, failing insurance companies, and failing pension plans. Even bankrupt governments defaulting on their loans.
With failing banks, there is less money in circulation. The tendency is for commodity prices to fall very low, putting farmers in worse financial shape than before. They cut back on production. Food production and transport use considerable amounts of oil. Reduced food production leads to less need for oil consumption and thus, falling oil prices. With low oil prices, production tends to fall.
(e) If a government survives, it may try to issue much more debt-based money to try to raise prices. This might work if the country is able to produce all goods locally. But the huge amount of new money (and debt) will not be honored by other countries. The result is likely to be hyperinflation, and still no goods to buy.
(f) Persecution of the wealthier people blamed for society’s problems. If people are poor, and there aren’t enough goods to go around, there is a tendency to find someone to blame for the problem. In Europe, prior to World War II, the Nazis persecuted the Jews. The Jews were often rich and worked in finance or the jewelry business.
(g) War. War gives the possibility of obtaining resources elsewhere. Figure 4 shows that going to war can greatly ramp up GDP. It is a way of putting laid-off workers back to work. It is an age-old solution to not-enough-resources-to-go-around.
[8] Can any political approach put off the bad impacts suggested in Section [7] above?
A country that can provide complete supply chains based on its own resources, completely within its own borders can be somewhat insulated from these problems, as long as its resources are adequate for its population. I don’t think that any of the Advanced Countries (members of the OECD, which is similar to the US and its allies) can do that today. The US is closer to this ideal than Europe, but it is still a long way away. The central and southern part of the US, which is where Donald Trump’s support is strong, is closer to this ideal than elsewhere.
Trump is advocating adding tariffs on imported goods. Such tariffs would work in the direction of independence from China, India, and other industrialized nations. Trump also seems to advocate staying out of wars, wherever possible. If an area is doing well in terms of energy supply (including food supply), this would be a good strategy.
Kamala Harris is advocating capping today’s food prices. This would please city-dwellers, but it would encourage farmers to quit farming. Capping today’s food prices would also discourage the importation of food from elsewhere, leaving many empty shelves in grocery stores. Indirectly, it would also have an adverse impact on the world’s oil production and the quantity of food grown elsewhere.
Giving more money to poor people would almost certainly lead to more government debt. If countries in Europe were to do this, it would almost certainly devalue their currencies. They would find it harder to import goods from anywhere else in the world.
In fact, the US would likely also encounter difficulty in importing as many goods from elsewhere, if it chooses to give more money to poor people (and fund this generosity through more debt). China and Russia would have even more motivation to abandon the US dollar for trading purposes than they do today. The US, Europe, and other Advanced Economies would increasingly find imported goods unavailable.
Wind, solar, and electric vehicles are not fixing the economy now. Adding more debt to subsidize these efforts would likely have the same bad effects as adding more debt to subsidize poor people.
[9] A guess as to what could be ahead for the US, Canada, and Europe.
Donald Trump is suggesting tariffs and other policies that might be helpful for the parts of the US, Canada, and Mexico that think they might have enough resources to more or less get along on their own in the near future. This includes much of the central and southern part of the US. Central Canada would fit into this pattern, as well. Mexico is connected by pipeline to this area, too. At least in the US, Trump is favored in these areas.
In the highly populated areas along both US coasts, the debt-based policies of Kamala Harris will seem more reasonable because these sections have limited resources to rely on, but lots of population. The only solution they can imagine is more debt. I expect that Europe and the coasts of Canada will follow Kamala Harris’s strategies, but with their own leaders.
I can imagine a scenario in which after the US election, the US will break apart into two sections: a Trump section in the center of the US, and a Harris portion consisting mostly of the two coasts, and perhaps a few northern states. The Trump section will band together with Central Canada and Mexico and try to keep operating for some years longer. The Harris portion will join together with the coasts of Canada and most of Europe to get into war with Russia and China. The Harris portion will issue lots more debt. The Harris group will forget that their areas cannot really make many armaments without a huge amount of international trade. As a result, the Harris group will have great difficulty in being successful at war.
Let’s get on with the decapitation strike.
We will never learn .
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240906-world-s-largest-indoor-ski-resort-opens-in-shanghai-as-china-logs-hottest-month
Just think about how many jobs this indoor ski resort added, and also how much of a tourist attraction this will be. I think the idea is silly, but any way to add to the debt bubble.
You can stop pushing the climate stuff.
How long has China been keeping records for
highest temperature?
50 years?
100 years?
If climate change was really happening would we need statistics to tell us an area is getting hotter?
Also, gotta love how co2 carbonization of the ocean water is the reason for coral reefs dying off and not human pollution.
Where crude oil prices finnished this week (https://oil-price.net/ —
my guess is, that won’t keep up the oil supply — https://davecoop.net/seneca .)
I wonder, these crude oil prices must be composite figures, of some sort — EG, good SMD (sweet middle distillate) oil must fetch a different price than US-fracked light oil, which can’t make such as diesel or jet fuel (lerosene), or than “sour” (high-sulfur) crude?
Read the post but more important the comments section .
https://www.oilystuff.com/forumstuff/forum-stuff/stick-a-fork-in-saudi-america
We are running short of the best-producing wells. Increasingly, the wells are gassier and they have more natural gas liquids. They also decline quickly.
The prices are for the particular “light sweet” grade, whether it is Brent or West Texas Intermediate. Heavier or sourer grades tend to trade at a discount from one of the benchmarks.
9/11 revisited. Steampunk Norman thinks those nice Neo-cons would never have done anything like that, so he should look away NOW.
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=249447
‘And on that day (9/11), the German community — Berlin, Freiburg im Breisgau, Munich Bundeswehr University — they were all present. And we basically knew instantly, for buildings to come down that way, it can only be a planned procedure … no doubts. Not one. That didn’t happen. We instantly knew. This had to have been facilitated through a planned explosion however this was accomplished. But we instantly knew: They were brought down in a controlled manner. And we had only seen the two towers.’
https://youtu.be/hhRTcMFmdY0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thornton_Tomasetti#Forensics,_investigation_and_property_loss_consulting
I read the raw oral history transcripts of the people who investigated the tower collapse. There is, in my opinion, no question that fire from the aircraft fuel weakened the support beams till the building fell down. I don’t expect this information would have any effect on people who have formed conspiracy beliefs around the disaster.
conspironuts are incurable keith
“There is, in my opinion, no question that fire from the aircraft fuel weakened the support beams till the building fell down.”
A first in history. So how didn’t the fuel weaken the aircraft that it was burning inside as they flew?
hang on zemi
you mean theres now a new bit of conspironuttery–
the people in the plane set fire to the interior before it crashed???
congratulations—not even eddy came up with that one
I’m talking about the burning of the kerosene to make the plane fly, dear Dimbo.
////A first in history. So how didn’t the fuel weaken the aircraft that it was burning inside as they flew////
er—zemi
on your wacky theory—every plane would consume itself during flight
genius
like i said–not even eddynut came up with that
It’s not a wacky theory. Kerosene doesn’t burn hot enough to burn steel. Gad, you’re a real time waster. There’s no point in giving you links as proof, because you never read them. You prefer to wallow in your pig-ignorance.
A fire does not have to burn hot enough to melt or “burn” steel. All it has to do is get the steel hot enough to soften it. Once a section collapsed, the impact on the part below took the whole thing down.
The building steel had a coating on it to prevent a fire from softening the steel, but the violence of the crash knocked a lot of the coating off.
Structural engineers were not surprised at what happened.
But as Norm says, discussion is unlikely to change such religious like beliefs. Part of the problem is that talking to like minded people causes the release of dopamine and endorphins into the brain reward centers. It is similar to the hold cults have on people. If you want to know more ask or look up the paper I wrote
https://www.academia.edu/37893481/Sex_Drugs_and_Cults_An_evolutionary_psychology_perspective_on_why_and_how_cult_memes_get_a_drug_like_hold_on_people_and_what_might_be_done_to_mitigate_the_effects
Engines are designed and constructed to stand the high temperatures you get from burning fuel. Steel beams in building are not.
no use keith
you are up against conspironuts
The Twin Towers were designed to be proof against planes crashing into them and so wouldn’t burn. The risk was known about in advance.
“The risk was known ”
Sort of known. There was a previous crash of a plane into a skyscraper.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_State_Building#1945_plane_crash
I finally found the fuel capacity of a B 25 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid
646 gallons
The fuel capacity of a 767 is 16,700–24,140 gallons. Both planes that hit the buildings were headed to the west coast, figure 20,000 gallons. Even if the B25 was full of gas, that’s 31 times as much fuel. That’s a *LOT* of fire.
keith is smarter than me zemi
“That’s a *LOT* of fire.”
Yes, but not enough HEAT to burn steel!
Go to rumble.com and watch anything by Doctor Judy Wood.
“Yes, but not enough HEAT to burn steel!”
You don’t “burn” steel unless you are using an oxygen torch on it.
But let’s look at some numbers for fun.
Figure 140,000 pounds of fuel. 63,600 kg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel#Typical_physical_properties_for_Jet_A_and_Jet_A-1
Jet A is rated at 43 MJ/kg so 2.74 million MJ
open air burn temperature: 1,030 °C (1,890 °F
That’s plenty hot enough to soften the steel.
Now from the asteroid mining project I know that a MJ will _melt_a kg of steel. So the fuel has enough energy to melt 2.74 million kg of steel or 2740 tons. You don’t need to melt the steel to make it like cooked spaghetti
“Iron is definitely a solid at 800 °F (427 °C), but over the next 1,500 °F (820 °C) it becomes increasingly plastic and more “taffy-like” as its temperature increases. This extreme temperature range of variable solidity is the fundamental material property upon which blacksmithing practice depends. ”
The forensic engineers who analyzed the collapse were not the least surprised.
I will not be the least surprised if you continue to believe in magic.
I really wouldn’t bother arguing with the old codgers, Zemi. They seem totally unaware and unconcerned about getting the facts of this or any other issue straightened out. All you need to know about them is that they hold official narratives as sacred; something to be believed without question.
They just don’t think conspiratorially enough, when they do think at all.
And they both told us that they took all their Covid jabs like obedient little puppies, never thinking to question what those syringes might have contained and never conceiving for a moment that the intramuscular injection of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting the immune system is a really dumb idea.
A BBC journalist, Jane Standley, reported the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 a full 28 minutes before it actually occurred, and CNN anchor Aaron Brown did so over an hour before the collapse. Both of these reporters were standing in front of a panorama in which the building was still standing, as they read from essentially the same script, provided by Reuters; although Brown, who knew NY more intimately, realized something was wrong and Just after announcing that WTC 7 “has collapsed or is collapsing,” he lets onto his confusion, stating:
“And I—I—You, to be honest, can see these pictures more clearly than I, but building number 7, one of the buildings in this very large complex of buildings that is that is the trade center.”
Then, Brown caught the errors in the script during live coverage and revised his words, saying instead– as he looked at the standing structure:
“And now we are told that there’s a fire there and that building may collapse as well as you can see. ”
Both networks, and several others, all relied on an incorrect report from Reuters. This couldn’t have happened if they’d just been reporting the news live.
Anyway, tall buildings don’t collapse globally at close to free-fall speed unless they were rigged to explode in that way. Building 7 was a conventional controlled demolition. The twin towers were also a fireworks display. The powers that be have been gaslighting the rest of us ever since, just as they gaslight us about everything.
We live in times that fry a man’s soul.
Most people are stupid in that they lack the ability to think critically and challenge their current beliefs and opinions when new information is presented, regardless of how compelling it may be. And even the not so stupid, when they get up into their dotage, can be a good deal less flexible than they once used to be. The mind is like the muscles in that once you are past middle age, it needs constant exercise in order not to become flabby, puny and useless for anything more than routine tasks—such as watching the TV news and nodding in agreement with Rachel Maddow.
How many times have you managed to convince anybody about anything on the internet? How many times has someone said to you, “You’re right Zemi. Now that you have explained it to me, it’s all so clear to me!” I’ll be you can count such instances on the fingers of one leg!
tim—because its you, ill try to offer you an answer
over the years on ofw, we were priveleged to watch and smell the fountainhead of BS.
literally everything was ‘fake” in one way or another
ukrainains, school shootings (crisis actors of course)—remember the pedomania a while back?–i could go on…all proven utter BS.
now
when one finds proven multi-BS from a certain source, (with which you have agreed) one tends to be pretty certain that everything else coming from that direction is tainted with the same odour.
selectivity doesnt cut it I’m afraid.
Buildings dont collapse through MELTED steel—steel only has to reach a certain temperature before loses structural strength–and bends.
Keith has pointed that out too.
not much bending is needed before structural integrity is lost.
I find it amusing that time and again you have offered ”experts”—and without fail, digging has exposed them as charlatans and attention seekers. (as was the fountainhead of all BS on OFW)
Tenpenny was an absolute hoot–there were lots more, with more forgettable names.
Dr. Tenpenny has saved a lot of people’s lives and health, Norman, and one of the biggest reasons was because she warned them not to get jabbed.
You’ve intimated that she’s a charlatan on numerous occasions, but what have you ever done yo save other people? All I’ve witnessed is you deriding and ridiculing good people like Dr. Tenpenny who are trying to help people, while you gloat like the biggest frog in the pond.
That’s my ten pence worth.
Now, if you persist with this shameful behavior, I am going to dive-bomb every comment you make with videos of people whose lives have been destroyed by the Covid jabs. Real people. Real victims. Some of them are paralyzed, others blinded, others covered in scabs from head to foot, and others shaking uncontrollably like the worst Parkinson’s cases.
I’ve can find links to hundreds of them.
And you can laugh at them if you like. Whatever floats your boat.
as far as tenpenny and others are concerned—i merely quote the verdict of her peers, not my own
i quote:
/////Tenpenny had scheduled a speaking tour in Australia to occur starting in February 2015, but in January, after objections were raised to her anti-vaccination views, all the venues at which she was scheduled to speak cancelled the talks, and the tour was called off.[8][9] Tenpenny has been criticized by the Stop The Australian Anti-Vaccination Network for “endangering people’s health” and “targeting vulnerable parents”.[7]
Since 2017, Tenpenny and her business partner, Matthew Hunt, have taught a six-week, $623 course titled “Mastering Vaccine Info Boot Camp” designed to “sow seeds of doubt” //////.
you quote this or that individual—i dig –or used to–and all are flawed one way or another, on what ever conspirononsense is the current flavour.
almost without exception, they are found lacking in some way.
persisting with the wtc rubbish, despite presented evidence, –not by me– is a case in point.
found a little more on tenpenny for you—i dont make stuff up—i just pass it on.
Still—the Chinese obviously didnt pay Fauci enough to kill us all off.—all those millions of bodies lying in the streets were just not convincing enough
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A Facebook page managed by Tenpenny was deactivated in December 2020 as part of the social network’s efforts to reduce the amount of misinformation on the platform.[13] Nevertheless, a March 2021 analysis of Twitter and Facebook anti-vaccine content found Tenpenny to be one of 12 individual and organization accounts producing up to 65% of all anti-vaccine content across several social media platforms.[4] Some of Tenpenny’s interviews with anti-vaccination activists and conspiracy theorists have attracted a large audience on Rumble, a video-sharing platform that does not have policies against disinformation.[14]
COVID-19 misinformation
Tenpenny advocated against the use of face coverings as a COVID-19 mitigation tool[15] despite scientific evidence in favor of their effectiveness.[1
“links to hundreds of them.’
No doubt. The problem is connecting what affects these unfortunately people with a Covid vaccine.
I don’t doubt that some people have been injured by the vaccine, that’s the *function* of any vaccine. The question is does the purposeful injury from the vaccine reduce the injury from the disease enough for it to be a good idea?
That depends on how severe the disease is.
Just passing stuff on is no excuse, Norman. Sharing misinformation on the internet can get you banged up in Citizen Starmer’s UK.
Here’s my first vax victim story. Enjoy!
https://x.com/HouseLyndseyRN/status/1705310913308369136
NURSE LYNDSEY: Hey guys. Haven’t done a video in a while. And I’m sure you guys have seen my blood. And I’m still trying to process and wrap my brain around what I saw through the microscope whenever we were looking at my blood. And, um, not good.
We need help. There are so many of us that are injured. We are dying. If you guys want your research, you have to come and get us, you have to seek us out. Tell us you want to research us. If not, we’re not going to be alive much longer.
I have a nurse, and you guys know her. Her name is Daniele Baker. She’s the Coerced Nurse.[1] And she had transverse myelitis and now she is in diastolic congestive heart failure. Oxygen dependent and everything. Her body is shutting down.
I am begging you guys. Please help us. Please. Help the children. Pull these shots off the shelves. They’re killing people. They’re injuring them. There’s no compensation. There’s no acknowledgment. We have no research.
Please guys, do the right thing. Please. I love you all. [kiss]
The planes are supposed to have sliced into the buildings, and yet…
https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatLookedExpensive/comments/ww54xb/planes_smashes_wing_into_light_pole/
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/lion-air-plane-aborts-take-off-after-it-crashes-into-pole-on-runway-damages-wing
You read what Zelikow wanted you to read.
“…perhaps more remarkable than the fact that “the fix was in” from the moment he took over the commission and began working on the predictive outline of the final report, is that he had in fact written about 9/11 and its eventual aftermath in 1998, three years before September 11th.
“In an article entitled “Catastrophic Terrorism: Tackling the New Danger,” written for the Council on Foreign Relations’ Foreign Affairs in November 1998, Zelikow and co-authors Ashton Carter and John Deutsche ask readers to imagine a catastrophic act of terrorism like the destruction of the World Trade Center. “Like Pearl Harbor, the event would divide our past and future into a before and after. The United States might respond with draconian measures scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects and use of deadly force. More violence could follow, either future terrorist attacks or U.S. counterattacks. Belatedly, Americans would judge their leaders negligent for not addressing terrorism more urgently.”
“Zelikow’s amazing prediction becomes somewhat less remarkable when we learn his own self-described expertise in the creation and management of “public myth.” In a separate 1998 article on public myths, Zelikow identifies “generational” myths that are “formed by those pivotal events that become etched in the minds of those who have lived through them,” before noting that the current set of public myths, formed during the New Deal in 1933, are currently fading.”
https://corbettreport.com/911-suspects-philip-zelikow/
I am not sure what point you are trying to make.
The point is that you never seem to question what you are told. You apply no critical thinking.
“The point is that you never seem to question what you are told. You apply no critical thinking.”
I don’t think you have paid attention to what I have said. I was, for example, extremely critical of the early CDC advice on Covid and can prove it.
Eventually the CDC came to agree with me.
This is hilarious. We’re supposed to believe the building just swallowed up the plane.
Zelikow also fronted the “Covid Crisis Group”, but I’m sure that’s just a coincidence:
https://www.activistpost.com/2023/04/philip-zelikows-covid-coverup.html
That’s not much of a creditable site.
Sticking to your creditable trusted media, eh. Keith? That’s the spirit.
They will keep you well informed, protect you from misinformation, disinformation, malinformation, and fake news. And if you’re very lucky they may even tell you what has happened before it happened.
I have mentioned what I read here in the past (NEJM, Science, IEEE, Space Review, Washington Post, etc). Are you willing to say what you read and trust?
Far as misinformation . . . Google sorts as many as a hundred a day out of my email.
“before it happened.”
If you know of one like that, I would like to know where it is.
““before it happened.”
If you know of one like that, I would like to know where it is.”
I’ve just given you a prime example of “before it happened”, Keith. Watch the video and it will all become clear to you—unless cognitive impairments prevent that.
‘As for Netanyahu, we are not surprised to hear him boast, on CNN in 2006, of having predicted in 1995 that, “if the West doesn’t wake up to the suicidal nature of militant Islam, the next thing you will see is militant Islam bringing down the World Trade Center.” ‘?
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=249447
Predictive programming – preparing us for what they were aiming to do, which became 9/11.
Interesting that Mr. Netanyahu was in New York during 9/11 and in London during 7/7 and in Israel during 10/7.
Nothing suspicious, of course. But interesting.
And then there was that Economist cover showing a Palestinian and an Israeli duking it out from hang gliders. Giving people ideas like that.
Now that was interesting. Nothing suspicious, mind you. But interesting.
https://www.economist.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1096,quality=80,format=auto/sites/default/files/print-covers/20121222_cna400.jpg
Netanyahu thought 9/11 had been good for Israel and said so.
https://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/17/headlines/report_netanyahu_says_9_11_has_been_good_for_israel
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/its-very-good-recalling-benjamin-netanyahus-words-day-911-attacks
and next july we collide with mars
well–did you ever
Will that be good for Israel, then, Norman?
There’s been some predictive programming about this.
Another one bites the dust….Lumber Liquidators was very well known in these parts and now folding up too..retail is in a bad place…thank the Lord for Amazon
Chain to close all of its more than 400 stores after failing to find buyer
Updated: Sep. 06, 2024, 2:58 p.m.|Published: Sep. 06, 2024, 1:47 p.m.
A flooring business is closing all of its stores.
LL Flooring, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy earlier this month and initially closed 94 stores is now closing all of its more than 400 locations across the country.
The closing sales began on Friday and the store closure process is expected to be completed in approximately 12 weeks.
Green jobs . My foot .
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/mp-deeply-concerned-as-440-jobs-at-heat-pump-factory-are-put-at-risk/ar-AA1pZQAA?ocid=BingNewsSerp
The deep historical, political and cultural split between east and west acts as a brake on the rise of the AfD nationwide
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/sep/07/everyone-is-terrified-of-a-far-right-return-in-germany-heres-why-it-wont-happen
Back in 1963, French novelist François Mauriac quipped: “I like Germany so much, I’m glad there are two of them!”
Go east, young man.
Zombie Governor of New York new pushing covid shots (watch her eyeball)
https://x.com/_APWK_/status/1832074415645110277
This is some walking dead sh**!
Yes, please, every democrat needs more c0vid shots.
cheap fakes!
There are countries with high rate of conversion to Christianity
https://youtu.be/cR-41ikKJQM?si=PSxWYbXIh08bMv9S
My attention was caught by Brazil, traditionally a Catholic country, which witnesses 50,000 conversions to Evangelical religion of prosperity per day.
What is so special about Brazil? Brazil has got very poor agricultural land in general, requiring gigantic amounts of fertilizers, which means that its agricultural production is not very sustainable.
MapsMapped: How Populations Have Changed in the Americas (1990-2023)Published 1 day ago on September 5, 2024
By Pallavi RaoGraphics/Design:Bhabna Banerjee
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-how-populations-have-changed-in-the-americas-1990-2023/
Brazil 149,143,000 211,141,000 42%
🇲🇽 Mexico 82,820,000 129,740,000 57%
🇨🇴 Colombia 32,440,000 52,321,000 61%
🇦🇷 Argentina 32,756,000 45,538,000 39%
🇨🇦 Canada 27,789,000 39,299,000 41%
🇵🇪 Peru 22,015,000 33,846,000 54%
🇻🇪 Venezuela 19,827,000 28,301,000 43%
🇨🇱 Chile 13,437,000 19,659,000 46%
🇬🇹 Guatemala 9,025,000 18,125,000 101%
🇪🇨 Ecuador 10,474,000 17,980,000 72%
🇧🇴 Bolivia 7,130,000 12,244,000 72%
🇭🇹 Haiti 6,854,000 11,637,000 70%
🇩🇴 Dominican Republic 7,151,000 11,331,000 58%
🇨🇺 Cuba 10,632,000 11,020,000 4%
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Only sovereign states included. Population changes measured between July 1st 1990–2023. Figures rounded.
What does this mean in actual people? For the top three by size: the U.S. gained 90 million residents, while Brazil and Mexico added 62 million and 42 million, respectively.
Ranked 10th by population, Guatemala more than doubled its residents from 9 million to 18 million in 2023. However it still doesn’t take the crown for largest percentage growth, which belongs to Belize (+125%).
In fact, only three countries in the Americas registered single-digit percentage gains: Cuba, Uruguay, and Barbados
Has the Americas’ Population Fallen Anywhere Since 1990?
Of the list with only sovereign states, only Dominica (-4%) and St. Vincent and the Grenadines (-10%) saw their number of residents fall.
However, some overseas territories and dependencies not pictured in this map also saw declines.
In fact, every U.S. territory—including Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and Guam—has been losing people since 2010, a swift departure from the 20th century when populations were expanding. A Washington Post analysis found that many of the same troubles ailing rural America (manufacturing decline, falling birth rates, and brain drain) are besetting U.S. territories as well.
Be fruitful and multiple, one command humans have no trouble in doing..
Got to follow the mandate from above..
Once humans learned to cook food, they outsmarted other animals. This allowed them to be fruitful and multiply.
Economies don’t work without growth; economies inevitably collapse when population outgrows available resources. The outcome is as certain as the fact that humans don’t live forever. (Specialization is helpful. Economies of scale are helpful. Many different things contribute to growth. Once an economy starts to shrink, it gets the reverse impact.)
”evangelical religion of prosperity”
is a long winded way of saying ponzi scheme
been going on for years—no shortage of suckers
What is needed for the future is goods and services made with energy supplies, not pixels saved up now that supposedly will have value in the future. But the general idea is right.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/social-security-facing-63-trillion-unfunded-liabilities
Keeping the US government operating for many years in the future is iffy. It takes energy supply to operate all levels of the government and programs like Social Security. If workers paying into Social Security are poor, they cannot afford to give a very high percentage of their wages to support a growing number of old people.
Of course, this analysis leaves out Medicare, which provides healthcare to the elderly and disabled. It is funded on a “pay as you go” basis. It becomes a problem also.
We lost the connection between money and the real world. A long time ago. So what is the problem? Destroying the planet, calling ourselves intelligent and keep whining about de-growth? Watching starving dinosaur movies chewing on chicken wings? Thinking it will last forever? Those people think there’s wine at the Table of Consequences.
There’s not.
Many people got the idea that models could be used, and the result would be “scientific.” The advent of computers for everyone added to this interest.
Of course, the models assume that the patterns of the past can always continue. Resources never deplete. Population never outgrows resources. An change will be small and can be worked around by tweaking the variables a bit.
Just 2 days remaining in this arc.
Recently, with FE doing his own stuff, the amount of hopium has increased significantly.
I take it as a coping mechanism, somewhat like the denial phase. Except hopium is so much that these people will not give up until the looters tie them up and put a gun into their mouths. Even then they will believe that some kind of angel, starship, or whatever will save them.
It is precisely that kind of environment where would-be messiahs tend to come out from the woodwork, leading gullible public to destruction.
the better known example is the anabaptists, whose rebellion in early 16th century led to the destruction of protestantism in Bavaria, which remains staunchly Catholic to this day. The Imperial forces simply killed all of the men, and sold the women and children to slavery. That is how to treat those addicted to hopium.
Sometime in early 2010s the point of no return was passed. Whatever happening after that is just a postscript. Some half hearted measures here and there, with no lasting changes as the forces of mayhem becomes too strong for anyone to do anything about it.
My methodology is to preserve as much as possible to hold out thru the worst and keep something for the future, instead of blowing whatever is remaining in some hare brained scheme and leaving nothing to posterity, as proposed by some people here chasing unicorns and hunting space aliens.
What if you are wrong?
Dennis L.
What if the laws of physics keep holding up? at least he has given up on space energy, whatever that was.
My thesis is supported by the laws of thermodynamics, You flaunted the laws of thermodynamics, like all believes of perpetual motion.
Your only basis is blind faith. A blind faith that all these supposed investment will lead to something. Basically what you believe is little more than witchcraft.
I look around and see gobs of investment. It is all an illusion?
The investment is often not paying back well. That is the problem. A lot of the investments backed by debt will fail. In fact, governments are likely to fail.
Gobs of investment = Gobs of malinvestment. Like the Chinese building huge structures in the middle of nowhere.
The ‘smart money’ is not that smart in a lot of times. They make educated bets, little more than coin toss. Some of them hit and they are thought to be geniuses.
I wonder if AI will improve the hit rate?
It’s because it’s not a real market. Subsidies and tax breaks. OPM. Moral hazard.
@Keith
AI could improve a project already going on but it cannot choose a project
“it cannot choose a project”
Yeah, I asked it and it gave me 5 projects.
What project would you suggest to improve the future of humans?
Copilot, 12:43 PM
That’s a great question! There are many projects that could significantly improve the future of humanity. Here are a few ideas:
1.
Renewable Energy Development: Investing in solar, wind, and other renewable energy sources can help reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, combat climate change, and create a sustainable energy future.
2.
Clean Water Access: Developing technologies and infrastructure to provide clean drinking water to underserved communities can drastically improve health outcomes and quality of life.
3.
Education for All: Creating accessible, high-quality education platforms, especially in developing regions, can empower individuals and communities, leading to economic growth and innovation.
4.
Healthcare Innovation: Advancing medical research and healthcare technologies, such as telemedicine and personalized medicine, can improve health outcomes and make healthcare more accessible and affordable.
5.
Sustainable Agriculture: Promoting sustainable farming practices and developing new agricultural technologies can ensure food security and reduce the environmental impact of farming.
6.
Climate Change Mitigation: Projects focused on reducing greenhouse gas emissions, protecting biodiversity, and developing climate-resilient infrastructure can help mitigate the impacts of climate change.
7.
Space Exploration: Investing in space exploration and technology can lead to new discoveries, inspire innovation, and potentially provide new resources and habitats for humanity.
Which of these areas interests you the most? Or do you have another idea in mind?
@Keith
7 suggestions, no decision.
Other than 7 which might or might not succeed at this point of time the other 6 are irrelevant.
Just a regurgitation of mid-wit mainstream buzzwords.
There are no laws of thermodynamics. “Thermodynamics” is just a model. It works within certain limits, but we don’t know what those limits are or how it works.
People believe there are laws but the laws they talk about are only the expression of our limited minds. If there are laws then we have to admit we are not able to grasp them. We can only build models that are an image of the physical world but not the physical world.
Someone telling “my thesis is supported by …” is acting like any religious zealot.
why do you not suggest a way TD fails, in a way that could be technologically advantageous? Honestly it is you who sound like a priest.
I meant that Kulm’s thesis has nothing to do with thermodynamics. I do not disagree with the predictive value of thermodynamics as a model but it should not be used to justify any arguments that have nothing in common with science. Science is not a tool you can play with if you don’t really understand what it means. Hope you and Tim understand better my point now.
I quite understand your point, Thierry. And I don’t disagree with you that thermodynamics provides a model.
There are no “laws” of thermodynamics in the sense of legal “laws” that oblige or compel people to do things or prohibit them from doing things.
Scientific laws are descriptive of what we have observed or discovered about the way “nature” works.
tim
try walking to the northpole in shorts and a t shirt
Norman, I will definitely do that, as soon as full global warming kicks in and I learn to walk on water.
“My thesis is supported by the laws of thermodynamics” is another way of saying that “My contention is consistent with the established principles of energy conservation and transformation.”
In simpler terms, it suggests that the arguments or conclusions expressed align with the foundational scientific principles regarding how energy behaves in physical systems.
So it’s just a model. But thermodynamics has excellent predictive value, so it is a very useful model. And models should not be despised unconditionally. They are integral to scientific theories, serving as tools for simplification, visualization, hypothesis testing, and prediction, ultimately enhancing our understanding of the natural world.
Newtons law of universal gravitation in physics, Bohr’s atomic model that provides the foundation of chemistry, Franklyn’s double helix structure of DNA that underpins genetics, Copernicus’s heliocentric model of the Solar System (later revised by Kepler and others) in astronomy, plate tectonics in geology, the germ theory of disease (that some are sneering at these days), the information processing model of the human mind in psychology, the supply and demand model in economics, and so on, are all wonderful models, beautiful models, fantastic models, created by very smart people to provide a little insight on how the Universe, Life and Everything works.
Models, like words, are a finger pointing at the moon, not the moon itself.
From a practical viewpoint (as you would expect from an engineer) there are no devices out there which violate the laws of thermodynamics. We engineers have to deal with what can be built.
In the long term, the speed of light is a bigger problem than the laws of thermodynamics.
https://hplusmagazine.com/2012/04/12/transhumanism-and-the-human-expansion-into-space-a-conflict-with-physics/
(But if what we see at Tabby’s Star is alien megastructures, then there are other ways.)
even with my limited knowledge of science, i was under the impression that the basic laws of thermodynamics meant that hot things go cold..
nowhere have i come across the opposite happening, without corresponding energy input.
hot tea going cold isnt a model—it just ”is”.—not open to debate.
the universe appears to be made of the same stuff throughout, so i think we can be sure this law applies universally.
there are no ”other ways”
Norman: “the universe appears to be made of the same stuff throughout, so i think we can be sure this law applies universally.”
But if we’ve never been all over the Universe to check it out, we can’t know or sure that laws apply universally. One needs faith in the consistency of the composition of the Cosmos in order to provide a basis for being sure that any physical laws apply universally.
tim
we have the means to detect the components of various stars a million light years away–there are no ”new elements” out there.
in different proprtions maybe—but they are made of the same stuff we are.
the gravity that we see making spirals of galaxies is the same as drains water out of your bathtub.
that said, that proves there are no ”different laws” anywhere else.–no calculator needed.
no doubt there are species on other worlds, who look a little different to us, but they will be subject to the same constraints we are.—fantasising otherwise will not change that.
our bodyshapes are a response to gravitational and enviromental forces…not godly imagery.
they will have evolved to fit their circumstance, just as we have.
if there are no ”new elements” out there, they will have the same problems getting off their earth as we have.
so no alien visitors im afraid.
We “detect” these things with the aid of sensitive instruments plus long chains of inference, Norman.
It’s not like actually “being” there.
And we can’t detect things our instruments are insensitive to, or that our chains of inference haven’t led us to, or that we are not open to detecting.
It’s like you with 9/11. Others can detect all sorts of anomalies, inconsistencies, impossibilities and contradictions in the story the legacy media gave us. But you just don’t get it.
Ponder that, if you still have a mind capable of pondering.
we can ”see” spirals in galaxies
you can ”see” water spiralling out of your bathtub
its not an inference or an opinion. or a conspiracy.
if that isnt enough to demonstrate the same laws applying in both situations—then i must abandon you to your state of self inflicted ignorance.
Norman, enjoying your barbecue summer?
Suppose a theory proposes that all swans are white. The obvious way to prove the theory is to check that every swan really is white – but there’s a problem. No matter how many white swans you find, you can never be sure there isn’t a black swan lurking somewhere. So you can never prove the theory is true. In contrast, finding one solitary black swan guarantees that the theory is false. This is the unique power of falsification: the ability to disprove a universal statement with just a single example – an ability, Popper pointed out, that flows directly from the theorems of deductive logic.
Popper went on to promote falsification as the essence of the scientific process, with the search for falsifiable predictions being the distinguishing feature between science and pseudoscience. Even at the time there were concerns his criterion wasn’t up to the job, but Popper remained convinced that looking for falsifiable consequences was the essence of doing science.
“we have the means to detect the components of various stars a million light years away–there are no ”new elements” out there.”
If a new element were discovered in any part of the Universe (even in a distant galaxy we cannot currently observe), the statement would be proven false. This means it is falsifiable, but the practical limitations of observation make it challenging to falsify.
However, the concept of “islands of stability” suggests that there could be regions in the periodic table where superheavy elements (those with higher atomic numbers than currently observed) might exist and exhibit greater stability than expected.
Possibly such elements exist in the vicinity of Tabby’s Star, allowing the Tabbies to develop a Type 2 or Type 3 Civilization. And things could be even weirder. Matt Taibbi might be an alien from the Tabby’s Star System who came to Earth to report on goings on here. But I’ll leave such matters to Keith, as they are right up his particular field of expertise.
my cat resents the implication that he is an alien
Norman: “hot tea going cold isnt a model—it just ”is”.—not open to debate.
Tim: Certainly. And nobody said it was open to debate.
Thermodynamics provides a model that explains what’s going on a molecular or atomic level when hot tea grows cold, or indeed, when cold tea grows hot, as happens frequently in my microwave oven.
This model gives a “because” answer to such questions as “why does hot tea grow cold?” and “why can’t I build a perpetual motion machine that will provide me with free energy forever and ever?”
tim
i can only assume you are trying a little humour
and that it works without your microwave being switched on
Well, it works with ice tea taken out of the fridge too. Or cold beer. The tea or beer will warm until it reaches room temperature.
And thermodynamics provides a model that explains what’s going on a molecular or atomic level. It provides a robust framework for understanding these processes, linking macroscopic observations (like temperature changes) to microscopic behavior (like molecular motion and energy transfer).
Perhaps, Norman, my old mate, you are misunderstanding the meaning of the word “model”? Perhaps you are thinking I was referring to people like Kate Moss and Naomi Campbell? Or to Airfix models of military aircraft or Saturn 5 rockets? If so, let me try to enlighten you.
In the scientific sense, a model is a simplified representation of a phenomenon, system, or concept that helps to explain, predict, or understand complex processes.
Models can take various forms, including:
Mathematical Models: Equations that describe relationships between variables.
Physical Models: Scaled-down or abstract representations, like a globe for Earth.
Conceptual Models: Diagrams or flowcharts that illustrate processes or structures.
Models are used to test hypotheses, visualize data, and simulate scenarios, providing insights into how things work in the natural world. They are not exact replicas of reality but are useful tools for analysis and understanding.
In thermodynamics, model that depicts heat as the vibration and motion of atoms and molecules colliding with each other in a solid, liquid or gas can be classified as a microscopic model or kinetic molecular model.
i tend, up to a point, to persevere with stupid
ice has already had energy expended to create it–as does the temperature of the room—you are talking abour balanceing to a mean level.
You got it in one, Norman. Well done!
Why does the temperature matter tend toward equilibrium? So that everything in a room, or a refrigerator, will eventually become the same temperature if the space is closed off from the outside?
Second Law of Thermodynamics states that in an isolated system, natural processes tend to move towards a state of maximum entropy, or disorder. As part of this process, energy becomes distributed more evenly, and the system evolves toward thermal equilibrium.
At a molecular level, the kinetic energy of particles relates directly to temperature. When two objects at different temperatures come into contact, the faster-moving or vibrating(hotter) molecules collide with the slower-moving or vibrating (cooler) ones, transferring energy, until eventually they are all moving or at the same velocity or vibrating with the same intensity.
I trust that answers your question.
tim
do stop cherrypicking–its demeaning, unless youre on your long term windup again—(possible)
you conveniently ignore energy input from elsewhere—
rooms are not isolated enviromnments, they cannot be closed off to the outside
if its 50 below outside, you will evenually freeze to death—unless you get food and fire
Just trying to explain the second law of thermodynamics, Norman, and why it is a model, not a legal statute.
I purposefully ignore energy input from elsewhere in the interest of keeping things simple because the Second Law of Thermodynamics is most straightforwardly applicable to isolated systems. Although its principles are relevant to open and closed systems as well, such systems won’t move towards equilibrium and entropy if energy is constantly coming in from outside or going out from inside.
The law illustrates the general tendency of systems to move toward increased entropy and disorder over time, regardless of the specific conditions of the system. However, your cup of tea and indeed everything else in your kitchen will not come to temperature equilibrium if you can’t isolate the kitchen from the outside world in the shape of the weather.
Another one bites the dust..sorry to see them go…
Struggling Big Lots preparing bankruptcy filing, will sell stores: report
By Reuters
Published Sep. 6, 2024, 7:55 p.m. ET New York Post
Discount home goods retailer Big Lots is preparing to file for bankruptcy as early as this Sunday and plans to sell its chain of stores through a court-supervised process, Bloomberg News reported Friday, citing people familiar with the situation.
The company will remain in operation under Chapter 11 protection, the report said, and is currently in the process of securing a stalking horse bid, which means that the bid could be outdone if better offers emerge.
Earlier in the day, the retailer announced the postponement of its second-quarter earnings release, which had been scheduled for Friday. The company now expects to report results on Sept. 12.
Big Lots, a retailer operating around 1,400 stores and employing over 30,000 workers, has been grappling with declining sales over the past few quarters, putting pressure on its balance sheet.
Well, just another reason to not to go out and shop …Amazon is just a click away..
Need to order more coffee and nuts …my Amazon Chas Credit Card also earns me cash back…what’s not to like?
I am not a person who shops at Big Lots, but I walked into one recently while I was waiting for someone else who was at an appointment nearby. The store had virtually no customers. It had a lot of cheap decorative stuff, and a fair amount of furniture. But these are likely things that poor people would tend to buy a whole lot less of, if their finances were stretched. I could see that Big Lots was likely headed for financial difficulty.
Yep, Big Lots changed it’s merchandise mix after being sold to a new investor group to counter the Amazon effect.
Seems it hasn’t panned out and in the past it offered discontinued merchandise at steep price reductions, along with food and personal items, that folks would need.
It was a fun place to shop but with Walmart and Target around the segment got too crowded.
I remembered someone I knew several years ago who would buy frozen cakes at Big Lots. But I didn’t see any of the kinds of goods he would buy. Your explanation makes sense.
I saw a Super K-Mart the other day, that’s been converted into a giant “Goodwill” thrift store.
Never seen that before..
Big Lots (I think) started out as one of those stores that would move merchandise overstocked by finer retail establishments, or items written off as a loss from fire or flooding. As there became fewer US retail and manufacturing concerns, those supply lines dried up and it looks like they turned to just ordering junk direct from Asia like everybody else.
I used to love job lot stores back when there were great pickings to be had: Building 19 et al. (also now defunct) and Ocean State Job Lot were the main ones in my old area.
South Korea denies hospital emergency rooms collapsing as army doctors deployed
“SEOUL, Sept 2 (Reuters) – South Korea’s health ministry said on Monday it was deploying military doctors to assist in some hospital emergency rooms due to a shortage of medical staff, but disputed a warning by some physicians that the system was on the verge of collapse.
“The overall emergency medical capacity is such that there are some difficulties but it’s not a situation where we have to worry about a collapse as some people are warning,” Park told a briefing.
“Earlier on Monday, the national association of medical school professors said in a statement many emergency rooms were not providing normal services and a collapse of the healthcare system had already started.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-korea-denies-hospital-emergency-rooms-collapsing-army-doctors-deployed-2024-09-02/
The latest issue of Readers’ Digest has an article about how Private Equity firms are buying up hospitals and intentionally reducing staffing (number of staff and the degree of training), to provide a better financial return at a reasonable cost.
There is also a problem with overwork and unhappiness of current physicians, making them want to quit.
I imagine these issues could affect South Korea, too.
Two of the 5 major hospitals in SK are owned by the big cartels. The Samsung Hospital needs no explanations. The Asan Hospital is owned by Hyundai.
A guess:
Look to your father and what he earned, my guess is significantly less than is current.
Look to the cost of his education, also significantly less than current physicians.
Modern medicine is very production oriented.
Perhaps part of the problem is also the chronic condition of so many patients, the obesity would make “hands on” medicine very challenging. Trying to palpate an organ under all the excess adipose tissue would be very challenging.
Dennis L.
Also, modern emergency rooms are equipped with a lot of expensive medical equipment. They need to do lots of high cost MRIs and other scans to pay for these devices. The additional equipment also adds to the cost.
And the “keeping up with the Joneses” effect. Even Kaiser seems to need to offer the kinds of options the fee for service folks expect. If one doctor does a high cost test or prescribes a high cost medication, everyone else seems to think they need to do it.
The Americans make the biggest, most expensive MRI machines.
They need to be huge so that all those morbidly obese people can fit inside them.
The Japanese make them smaller and cheaper!
Well, the Japanese would need American MRI machines for the sumo wrestlers.
Business of Medicine; very sick.
‘The 1910 study was titled, The Flexner Report, and its ostensible purpose was to investigate the quality of all US medical schools. The outcome of the report was, however, predetermined. Ties between the well-endowed Rockefeller Institute and the AMA went through the corrupt AMA head, George H. Simmons.
Simmons was also the editor of the influential Journal of the American Medical Association, a publication delivered to some 80,000 doctors across America. He reportedly wielded absolute power over the doctors’ association. He controlled the rising ad revenues for drug companies to promote their drugs to AMA doctors in his journal, a highly lucrative business. He was a key part of the Rockefeller medical coup that was to completely redefine acceptable medical practice away from remedial or preventive treatment to use of often deadly drugs and expensive surgeries. As head of the AMA Simmons realized that the competition from a proliferation of medical schools, including then-recognized chiropractic, osteopathy, homeopathy and natural medicine, was lessening income of his AMA doctors, as the number of medical schools had increased from around 90 in 1880 to over 150 in 1903.
Abraham Flexner, former headmaster of a private school, toured various US medical schools in 1909 and recommended that fully half of the 165 medical schools be closed, as what he defined as “sub-standard.” This reduced competition from other approaches to healing diseases. They ruthlessly targeted then-widespread naturopathic medical schools, chiropractic ones, osteopaths as well as independent allopathic schools unwilling to join the AMA regime.
Then Rockefeller money went to the select schools with a proviso that professors be vetted by the Rockefeller Institute and the curriculum focus on drugs and surgery as treatment, not prevention, nor nutrition, nor toxicology as possible causes and solutions. They had to accept Pasteur’s germ theory of disease, which claims one germ to one disease reductionism. Rockefeller-controlled media launched a coordinated witch-hunt against all forms of alternative medicine, herbal remedies, natural vitamins and chiropractic–anything not controlled by Rockefeller patented drugs.’
https://www.globalresearch.ca/toxicology-vs-virology-rockefeller-institute-criminal-polio-fraud/5786537
Alarming development as Missouri patient becomes first American to catch H5N1 bird flu with no exposure to animals
“A man in Missouri has become the first American to be diagnosed with H5N1 bird flu without coming into contact with animals, in a potentially worrying development.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13822833/first-patient-missouri-bird-flu-exposure-animals.html
Patient Zero!
The Chinese had the misfortune to have a virus jump to people.
I guess it is our turn.
We could have vaccinated the milk cows and probably stopped the spread to people, but agriculture industry people were afraid of losing the milk export business.
Money talks. Public health does not get much attention till the hospitals are filling refrigerator trucks with bodies.
Next pandemic ‘may wipe out up to 50% of infected’ with chilling warning issued – CDC director
Robert Redfield, who served as CDC director between 2018 and 2021, has warned it’s a matter of time before the world faces another deadly pandemic – and has predicted what it may be.
“So far, there’s been no evidence of the bug spreading from person to person, and the CDC still considers the risk to the general populace to be minimal. Nonetheless, Dr Redfield’s forecast paints a much grimmer picture should the virus begin to spread more widely among humans.
“Unfortunately when [bird flu] does enter humans, it has a significant mortality. Probably somewhere between 25 percent and 50 percent mortality,” he said. With the death rate of Covid-19 being 0.6 percent, the contrast is shocking. Between 2003 to 2024, WHO has reported 889 human H5N1 bird flu cases from 23 different countries around the world. Out of those infected, 463 lost their lives, leading to a chilling mortality rate of 52 percent.
Taking lessons from how Covid-19 spread, Dr Redfield noted: “It’s likely to spread through aerosols and droplets.” For bird flu to affect humans, five amino acids the basic units making up proteins need to alter the key receptor that connects with its human counterpart.
Explaining the process at which point a pandemic could break out, Dr Redfield declared: “Once the virus gains the ability to attach to human receptors, and then go human-to-human, that’s when you’re going to have the pandemic.” He further warned: “Like I said, I think it’s just a matter of time.”
https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/bird-flu-global-pandemic-warning-33047616
Well, we have reached the point he warned us all about!
Diseases don’t often wipe out 50% of those affected. If they do, they don’t spread well at all.
This sounds like another excuse for an unsafe vaccine.
Gail , they don’t have to wipe out 50% , all it has to do is make the majority of the working population unable to do any productive work and lead to a societal collapse . At the end of the day garbage has to be picked , the water purifying plants , power plants , oil rigs must be operating 24/7/365 .
An H5N1 flu pandemic would not be as hard to deal with as the recent Covid pandemic.
Human immune systems have been subjected to flu over our entire lives and we have vaccines and antivirals.
Still, if you don’t have some, stocking Tamiflu sounds like a good idea. (I have some, but should get more since mine is beyond the expire date.)
And masks. Covid mutated till the amount that got around masks was enough to be infected. But during the time people were wearing masks, the flu season just didn’t happen. Masks worked for flu.
You have got to be kidding us. The flu season “didn’t happen” because every respiratory problem was re-badged “covid”.
What kind of engineer would make the claim that masks “worked for flu” but somehow didn’t work for “covid”. You really have to be a special kind of… to state such a thing.
Are the Russians paying you to post here, or what? Because I can’t think of another reason.
simple answer
conspironuts r us
“was re-badged “covid”.
With modern technology it is not hard to sort out covid from flu. I have done the test myself when I came down with covid last Christmas.
“What kind of engineer”
One who was following the science as the reports came out. Remember the concerns about a twin-demic? It didn’t happen, the steps taken to hold down covid also clobbered flu.
“Russians paying you ”
If so, the check is late. Where do I complain?
The contortions that true believers go through in their minds to hold the narrative together is often breathtaking. I think it has something to do with the collapse of a worldview.
“Men go mad in herds but go sane one at a time..”
“With modern technology it is not hard to sort out covid from flu. I have done the test myself when I came down with covid last Christmas.”
The tests are not as specific as you would like to think.
From the very beginning, even the CDC said that other ILIs and coronaviruses could yield false positive ‘covid’ PCR results. It was right there on their web site!!
You don’t get that this is a psy-op designed a.) to be able to inject as many people as possible with unknown substances, and b.) introduce the masses to obedience behaviors, tracking and limiting their access to food, travel, work, and even to their own family in their own backyards.
Keith, my impression is that you are someone convinced that tech. cannot fail, it can only *be* failed… yet even in the face of failure after failure, you decline to individuate bad actors. This is obviously a religious mania unhinged from reality.
“as reports came out”
An engineer would examine every possible aspect of a situation.
You fail to examine where these ‘reports’ are coming from. Do you still think that those random Chinese strolling down the street (while being serendipitously filmed along their path) who keeled over dead (some with twitching for emphasis) actually died OF A RESPIRATORY DISEASE!????
If so, you are simply beyond help.
“The tests are not as specific as you would like to think.”
They were good enough to detect a flu season that wasn’t
Tracking is something private companies already do if you carry a cell phone. Leave it home if you are going out to rob a bank. The rest of your complains are not reasonable in my opinion. If you have been following what I write, you know I complained about the early CDC advice re masking. It was obvious to me from the start that covid was getting around as an aerosol. My response was to buy N95 masks and use one as a powered filter. Burned through a bucket of batteries.
psy-op is just silly.
“engineer would examine every possible aspect ”
You don’t know many engineers. Life it too short.
“keeled over dead”
Never heard about it. Got a pointer?
Lidia, concerning the tests, they were bs. Drosten had his test ready to go within hours of the ‘voted by consensus’ genome being released.
In England the school children in less indoctrinated, working class areas, soon realised that no matter how accurate the experts claimed, a quick mouthful of orange juice guaranteed being given a holiday and so duly did, whilst mocking the simple mindedness of the faithful, all without reading a single peer reviewed study. The young are well aware of the whole array of inconsistencies and will be older, better versed and more confident next time.
Those wedded with the machine will not be deviated from their joy provoking dream of becoming a machine, by mere real world evidence and that’s quite possibly the only universal constant.
These unnatural men
machine men
with machine minds
and machine hearts
you are not machines
you are not cattle
you are men
https://youtu.be/WoCSeIY0xdo?feature=shared
The force is strong in this Keith!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7923981/Coronavirus-Disturbing-videos-claim-people-collapsing-Wuhan.html
Consider the source. Even so, interesting.
Lab leak dude. Keep up.
Misinformation K; even diki-wiki mentions it.
Nothing to do with gain of function research.
Lab leaks do happen. The last case or two of the first SARs were such leaks, but they didn’t go beyond the sick lab workers.
The articles mention 5 substitutions to make H5N1 human ready, but I think those were simulations and comparisons with other flu viruses rather than wet lab work.
The threat is taken seriously enough to spend serious money on producing a vaccine.
Wasn’t a vaccine; gene therapy kemosabe.
The Yale Book of Quotations defines the word as “faithful friend or trusty scout,” and this is the most common interpretation. I mean to say you are a faithful servant of the narrative.
Keep singing.
“faithful servant”
I suppose you could make that accusation of me since I read Microbe Hunters in the 4th grade, David Quamman’s Spillover several years ago and just finished Breathless, his book on Covid. The last was a challenge, he interviewed 95 scientists by Zoom.
Engineers are not scientists, but they apply science so they have to understand it.
‘Public health does not get much attention till the hospitals are filling refrigerator trucks with bodies.’
It was orchestrated litany of lies.
Hospitals, other than a couple of key pantomines, were full of dancing nurses; the fridges were full of energy drinks.
Fraud; As has been the medical business.
‘By 1919 the Rockefeller General Education Board and the Rockefeller Foundation had paid out more than $5,000,000 to Johns Hopkins, Yale and Washington University in St. Louis medical schools. In 1919 John D. Rockefeller granted another $20,000,000 in securities, “for the advancement of medical education in the United States.” That would be comparable to about $340 million today, a huge sum. In short the Rockefeller money interests had hijacked American medical education and medical research by the 1920’s.
Creating Virology
This medical takeover, backed by the most influential doctors’ organization, the AMA, and its corrupt head, Simmons, allowed Simon Flexner to literally create modern virology under Rockefeller rules. The highly controversial Thomas Milton Rivers, as director of The Rockefeller Institute’s virology laboratory, established virology as an independent field, separate from bacteriology, during the 1920s. They realized they could manipulate far easier when they could claim deadly pathogens that were invisible germs or “viruses.” Ironically virus comes from Latin for poison. ‘
https://www.globalresearch.ca/toxicology-vs-virology-rockefeller-institute-criminal-polio-fraud/5786537
they are remaking Matlock…with a woke gender flip.. 🙂
Russia threatens ‘atomic tsunami’ giving nuclear target ‘three days’ to ‘swim away’
“Russian MP has terrifyingly claimed that Vladimir Putin will give British citizens “three days to leave UK” before launching an “atomic” tsunami on the nation. Lieutenant-General Andrei Gurulev, known for his hardline views, discussed this alarming strategy on state-run Russian television.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-threatens-atomic-tsunami-giving-nuclear-target-three-days-to-swim-away/ar-AA1q6sLl?ocid=BingNewsVerp
This is pretty disturbing! At least it wasn’t Putin himself saying this, with a particular date attached.
Nuking the UK would be the end of Russia. If Putin does not know this, perhaps some of the people in the chain of command do.
and the end of USA, Japan, etc too.
I agree. The UK would deploy all its unstoppable aircraft carriers to within striking distance, and then strike with hundreds of nuclear warheads. They are not a superpower for nothing.
“The UK would deploy all its unstoppable aircraft carriers ”
They would have to put the WE.177 bomb back in service.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WE.177
Those have been out of service for 35 years, but my guess is they still exist and could be returned to operational. I doubt they would be since the UK has 4
“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguard-class_submarine”
Each sub has 16 Trident II missiles and each UK missile carries 4 100 kt bombs.
I think it would be a really bad idea for Russia to nuke the UK. But so was invading Ukraine in the first place.
It would, however, end the war in Ukraine and possibly the shock would the Gaza war.
Maybe the USA will just fight Russia to the last englishman. but you know, russia is big, those submarines will have trouble getting close to all of it. and once in the air rockets have to go through several layers of AD. I don’t see it. if Russia wants to make an example of an euro country, america will pause and see if anything can be done to improve its survivability.
“getting close to all of it”
They are ICBMs, they can be fired from half a world away and still hit a target within 50 or 100 meters.
” have to go through several layers of AD”
4 subs, 16 missiles, 4 warheads each, but I think they can be fitted with more. I don’t think more than a few would be needed to take out a lot of Russia. I wonder how many would be stopped by defenses, but I hope we don’t find out.
CIA boss says west should not be intimidated by Russia’s nuclear threats
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/sep/07/cia-west-russia-nuclear-threats-putin
The MI6 chief, Sir Richard Moore said there were concerns that Russian spies were becoming increasingly reckless in the UK, Europe and elsewhere as the war in Ukraine continues. “I think Russian intelligence services have gone a bit feral, frankly,” the British spy chief said, as shown by a spate of arson attacks in the UK and elsewhere in Europe.
Ballistic has been a non starter for close to ten years now. there is just too many layers of access denial. The ATACMS used near the Russian border have short ranges and encounter 2 or 3 layers, and they get 80-90% shot down. Not having the technology for fast maneuverable missiles, the US is now trying to increase the number of warheads. I concur that this is the best they can do with the technology they have. saturation to decrease intercepted fraction, and big numbers so that more get through. The UK has nothing. It is essentially the new Poland.
Does it have any aircraft carriers?
The UK has 2 shiny new(ish) carriers and in the decade or so that they have been in service(whilst almost exclusively not in service), we have managed to get them from Portsmouth all the way to The Solent a couple of times, before they broke down(please don’t look at those places on a map, it’s a bit embarrassing). We’re aiming big though and by the end of the decade, fingers crossed, we’ll take them into a big scary ocean.
Our submarines are ocean going, although a bit noisy, so no hiding from the Russians unfortunately and the last time we did a test launch in the western Atlantic, the missile headed in the wrong direction and straight for Florida, so I can think of at least one country that should probably be a bit wary of the threat we pose(intentional or not). To top that little faux pas it became known that the operating system for the missile launch was Windows xp(or older) and the average 10 year old could hack the system.
Being at the cutting edge of military technology helps keep us all safe because it’s so effective and it would be wrong to think otherwise. So don’t.
Unless their told to “Stand Down”.
Economic problems solved.
Angry population neutralized…
drb , agree . UK is past expiry date .
https://www.declassifieduk.org/trident-missile-failure-exposes-folly-of-nuclear-weapons/#:~:text=Trident%20test%20failure&text=Last%20month%2C%20the%20Royal%20Navy,test%20took%20place%20in%202016.
No nuclear war?
‘The fact is, the US has secret red-line agreements with Russia and it would simply be too embarrassing for US establishment figures to admit this, as it would be a tremendous signal of weakness on the world stage to have to say: “Sorry, we simply cannot allow them to strike that deep into Russia, otherwise Russia has promised some very painful asymmetric responses to our own forces, efforts, interests worldwide that would prove impossible to counteract.” ‘?
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-9624-the-grind-continues-as
The Earth is pretty resilient. I am guessing that even with atomic warfare, some level of human civilization would continue. It might be focused in areas away from the fighting, however.
More on the Israel-Hamas situation:
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-warns-israel-carriers-cant-stay-indefinitely
Kulm, there will be no Type I civ; just a dead planet with funny looking bits of steel flying around it. A modern version of the pyramids in a desert.
5G, Flouride, mRNA, Roundup. childhood vex schedule etc etc
Its all safe and effective.
Science is the devils playground. Look at the joke anti-biotics are now.
Science has lost its way.
Science is now a cult.
Science is without a soul.
https://mdsafetech.org/problems/industry-influence-in-science/
‘Despite widespread denial, the evidence that radio frequency (RF) radiation is harmful to life is already overwhelming. The accumulated clinical evidence of sick and injured human beings, experimental evidence of damage to DNA, cells and organ systems in a wide variety of plants and animals, and epidemiological evidence that the major diseases of modern civilization—cancer, heart disease and diabetes—are in large part caused by electromagnetic pollution, forms a literature base of well over 10,000 peer-reviewed studies.’
https://www.5gspaceappeal.org/the-appeal/
Money in science is a disease;
‘Danish physician Uffe Ravnskov sheds light on this controversy in his book The Cholesterol Myth (2000). Dr. Ravnskov shows how people are not having more heart attacks today because they’re eating more animal fats than our ancestors.
Cholesterol, as it turns out, proves to be a red herring. The earlier studies Ravnskov cites (completed before 1950) show that cholesterol was not related to heart disease. In many cases, having higher levels of cholesterol pre-1950 meant you’d probably live longer than the rest of the population.
Many studies conducted after 1950 began to show just the opposite, and have correlated higher levels of cholesterol with an increased risk of death from heart attacks. The Framingham Heart Study5 came out in 1961, the same year that the American Heart Association (AHA) issued a report telling people with a high risk of heart disease to cut down on saturated fat.
(Note: Proctor & Gamble, the makers of Crisco, a substitute for lard, donated 1.7 million to the AHA in 1948, the same year the AHA became a prominent organization in US politics.)’
Lots of links given in the first link. For example:
The Science for Profit Model—How and why corporations influence science and the use of science in policy and practice. (2021)Tess Legg, Jenny Hatchard, Anna B. Gilmore. PLOS One. Published: June 23, 2021. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0253272.https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0253272
I could waste a lot of time pointing out the misinformation, but I will just mention that Crisco *is* saturated fat. It is made by adding hydrogen to oils.
One Tbsp Crisco currently has
Total Fat 12g
Saturated Fat 3.5g
Trans Fat 0g
Polyunsaturated Fat 6g
Monounsaturated Fat 2.5g
This is slightly modified from its original formula to get rid of trans fat.
One Tbsp butter has
Fat: 11.52 grams
Saturated: 7.29 grams
Monounsaturated: 2.99 grams
Polyunsaturated: 0.43 grams
Trans: 0.47 grams
Keith just looks at the figures in scientific articles. generally most vegetable fats have 60-75% poly, in the seed or plant. Poly, for those who did not have a chemistry class, means more than one (3 or 6) sites for chemical bonding to other molecules, creating compounds which are often mildly toxic. Saturated means there are zero such sites.
“Keith just looks at the figures in scientific articles.”
In this case, it was from memory. I still have an organic chemistry book I read in the 9th grade. (The best birthday gift I ever got from my brother.) For those without a library full of thick books, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogenation#Food_industry
The reason this was developed over a hundred years ago was to make cheap seed oils stiff like butter.
For Dennis, the process uses platinum or a similar catalyst.
Laughing quietly.
I like regular butter when I use it. Hopefully all natural or close.
Dennis L.
Right, but it can’t be 100%, or it wouldn’t spread at all.
I do acknowledge that every day the chance for a Type I Civ is being reduced significantly and chance of a complete mayhem is rising.
But I am still hoping for a rebound, although not in the same direction as Keith and Dennis L. who seem to think that they can get what they wish for without doing anything to the world’s unnecessariats.
In the 19th century science and technology were done by those who had a stake on civilization.
The addition of Ramanujan to the Royal Society on 1918, when the real scientists were still dying wantonly at Amiens, was a big joke against all gentlemen scientists, who largely abandoned STEM after that. I have said a few times that the proper thing to do with Ramanujan was to break his skull, dice his brains, and make it into a good bowl of curry.
From then peoples with no stake on civilization flooded science, which just became another job. Hence they would do whatever for those who paid them.
“The addition of Ramanujan to the Royal Society on 1918,”
The Wikipedia page about him https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan indicates the Royal Society did the right thing. Man was a math genius.
It’s been a long time, but my first publication in 1967 “Theoretical Induced Polarization and Resistivity Response for the Dual Frequency System Collinear Dipole-dipole Array” made use of Ramanujan’s work. I used it as a critical part of error control on infinite series expansion of Bessel functions. Didn’t realize how much I owed to Ramanujan till I read the Wikipedia article.
That publication burned thousand of dollars of computer time when that was real money, but they sold enough copies that the project made money (to the company’s surprise; we did the work for our own use).
Wikipedia; really?!
Too funny!
‘Wikipedia is a free online encyclopedia, created and edited by volunteers around the world and hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation.’
Its free because you are the product K.
Wiki-peado on mRNA.
‘Interim analysis of study data showed a potential efficacy of 91.3% in preventing symptomatic infection within seven days of a second dose and no serious safety ..’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer%E2%80%93BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine
“Wikipedia”
I am a Wikipedia editor.
That explains a lot.
i was under the impression that anyone could edit wiki
not that ive ever tried it.
@Norm
i did edit wikipedia myself, although only in some minor subjects.
https://greyenlightenment.com/2022/06/04/has-science-stalled-out-sorta/
>Ramanujan is celebrated as one the quintessential geniuses of math, who came from obscurity and was self-taught. Except this is partially true. But the math behind elliptic integrals and modular functions, which Ramanujan specialized in, was already known. The Ramanujan constant was known by 1860, discovered by Hermite, before Ramanujan’s birth, but Ramanujan found new results applying the earlier concepts.
Ramanujan just copied the work of Charles Hermite, a French mathematician.
He is the first affirmative action scientist, and his entry into Royal Society made it a joke, instead of an honor.
Whatever merits his work might have had, which is not much since he never bothered to add proof to his work, he made STEM a joke for the elites.
He should have politely declined his invitation to the Royal Society, until whatever society in India admitted him first. But he didn’t do that. Of course what would we expect than a selfish would-be maharajah who demanded vegetarian food when the ordinary people didn’t have enough to eat.
It would have been infinitely better to kill him before he entered the Royal Society, so people not part of Civilization would think twice before trying to sneak into it.
The reason the trends reversed is because of the Great War which led too many people from classes which did not produce leadership previously having gained military experience, and having seen the Czar of Russia dragged and shot by what was no more than bums in the middle of Siberia, and the ranks of the elites having thinned greatly thanks to Chucky and his 200/400 Worcestershires doing their duty, sorry, doing the greatest f’kup of the 20th century, they had to give concessions to the classes below, leading to mass consumption.
More evidence the Chinese economy is doing terribly:
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/chinese-steel-industry-warns-flash-pan-recovery-if-mills-ramp-production-amid-severe
Chinese Steel Industry Warns Of ‘Flash In A Pan’ Recovery If Mills Ramp Production Amid Severe Slowdown
Piles of rehypothicated steel
Paddy’s without rice
No one knows what is real
Until we discover who we are
And put it all on ice
You mean the over billion Chinese, never mind the over billion folks in India, may not reach a “Middle Class ” lifestyle as enjoyed by those hard working, industrious, and mind you “good” Americans? Poppycock, just a bump in the road, free enterprise capitalism is God’s gift to humankind in he name of progress and advancement for the common welfare.
Did I miss anything? Yes, sorry, America is the richest, most advanced nation ever as proof it is so, regardless of what Klummie thinks.
Israel will run out of money or men if the war continues .
https://theconversation.com/israel-11-months-of-war-have-battered-the-countrys-economy-237915
The story continues .
https://themedialine.org/top-stories/nazareth-faces-economic-collapse-as-war-devastates-tourism/
Wow! I can believe that. Nazareth’s biggest industry seems to be tourist trade.
Israel’s economy is not doing terribly (in part because hiring soldiers for the war adds to GDP). The article says
Compared to Europe and other places that are importing a lot of their energy requirements, Israel is not doing badly, economically.
Running out of men to fight is another issue.
As the wests premium military base in fossil fuel land, Israel will never run out of anything. Until fiat currencies fail. When that happens, all bets are off. That is why central banks coordinate their gold holdings.
You are probably correct.
USA will lend as much money as Israel needs
What can they do with the money , if the shelves are empty ? Same for men a la Ukraine .
Hard to believe the Joos will run out of money…
Maybe the big chews do not live in Israel.
Maybe not, but that’s where their home is…
Too bad though, just to move them to the Southwest near Las Vegas somewhere, they are great entertainers and gamblers.
They moved the London Bridge there, I ago e the wailing wall could be too
Robert P. McCulloch moved the London Bridge.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/the_bridge_that_crossed_an_ocean
Interesting story, but I can’t find anything mentioning his religion or family origin.
Thanks, what a life he had, amazing man and family in general..
Seems he had some weaknesses
Death
McCulloch died February 25, 1977, in Los Angeles, of an accidental overdose of alcohol and barbiturates.
His grandfather, John I. Beggs, made his fortune by implementing Thomas Edison’s electrical powerplants in cities around the world, manufacturing and selling electric trolley cars, and founding Milwaukee’s public utility system. McCulloch, along with his two siblings, inherited his grandfather’s fortune in 1925.[2] p
Two years after he graduated from Stanford University, he married Barbra Ann Briggs, whose father was Stephen Foster Briggs of Briggs and Stratton. His first manufacturing endeavor was McCulloch Engineering Company, located in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. There he built racing engines and superchargers. In his early 30s, he sold the company to Borg-Warner Corporation for US$1 million.[3]
McCulloch then started McCulloch Aviation; and, in 1946, he changed his company’s name to McCulloch Motors Corporation. Building small gasoline engines, his competitors included his in-laws and Ralph Evinrude. Evinrude led the market for boat motors, while Briggs and Stratton pulled ahead in the lawn mower and garden tractor marke
It was the chainsaw niche that McCulloch dominated, beginning with the first chainsaw with his name on it, manufactured in 1948. McCulloch’s chainsaw was used to cut lake ice and trees. By the next year, McCulloch’s model 3-25 further revolutionized the market with the one-man light weight chainsaw.[3
Oil and development
In the 1950s, McCulloch started McCulloch Oil Corporation, which pursued oil and gas exploration, land development, and geothermal energy.
Much, much more…amazing person
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_P._McCulloch
@Kulm
The intertwined economy is a result of the Ricardo postulate.
Availability of a complex range of materials and semi-finished goods – which enables our complex technology – could perhaps be re-organized shifting the focus from scale to range.
To build a spaceship it is not necessary that two billion people drive cars. It won’t be possible to launch a spaceship for mining iron, another for copper, another for aluminium, another for greenhouses, one for semi-conductors – but one spaceship must be able to do all. How should it be possible, if we on Earth need, following Ricardo, a global economy to maintain these technologies?
Instead of global networks we should concentrate on the concept of the city, that includes within a limited space a range of technologies and creates autarky.
The problem of the ressources reaching limits is the reduction of surplus. On the other hand the elites consume growing amounts of this surplus without contributing to civilisation. Surplus we could invest into future chances.
If we see growing disparity between elite and lower classes before civilisations collapse, it might be a sign, that the elites use their power to defraud the lower classes. It might also be a sign, that the elites use too much surplus and overstretch carrying capacity – think of the accusation, that the fall of the Roman Reich was induced by decadence.
With the end of the Middle Ages, the woods and the farms in Europe were depleated and overexploited. The starting industrialisation was able to replace charcoal by coal.
But looking closely, not only the Gnosis and Alchemy helped to start industrialisation but also the containment of the elites, starting with Reformation, think of Müntzer, Calvin and Luther – and 250 years later the French Revolution. We could interpret it as a method to stop the elites wasting surplus.
I have heard the theory that indulgences were, more or less, a voluntary tax of the Catholic Church on the rich. The funds could be used to build more cathedrals and provide other programs that would indirectly help the poor.
There was also a problem with families having more children than could inherit a farm, without subdividing the farm. The Catholic Church provided employment for many of the “extra children,” for which no land inheritance was possible. Somehow, the Catholic Church ended up with a lot of land for itself, however. In a way, this was a waste.
The elites take only a small % of all population and the masses are much more numerous so aggregately the masses consume way more than the elites.
At least the expensive toys of the elites do get humanity to somewhere. What would be the benefits of a billion rickshaws?
It is justifiable for the upper class to defraud the lower classes since that means a much more efficient allocation of resources.
Who did the Gnosis and Alchemy when most of the pop were illiterate? Not the hoi polloi.
In fact I think the gap between the rich and poor should be something like 10,000:1 so the poor woudl never be able to rise again. Ever.
“Who did the Gnosis and Alchemy when most of the pop were illiterate?”
My two cents: the church, or some people inside the church. Monks. They were the only truly literate and cultured people. It was the monks who preserved and copied ancient writings. Most of the nobles themselves were illiterate in the Middle Ages.
When you think about it, christianism is just a kind of alchemy for the people explained with symbols and words they can understand (the cross or the 4 apostles for the 4 elements, death, resurrection and ascent for nigredo, albedo, rubedo), etc.
Not surprising so many monks have been so versed into alchemy because this at the foundation of christianism. Where I live there is even a famous monastery that makes and sells an elixir of long life. They are known for mastering and keeping old age secrets about distillation. Reminds you something?
Ancient Jews seem to have learned to read and write when some of the were taken into captivity by the Babylonians. Some of them worked at copying scrolls. It was only after that, that oral religious traditions started being written down as written texts.
You keep asserting that it is the higher classes that are using up all of the surplus, but that isn’t really the case. They own the monetary surplus, but they don’t consume physical resources proportional to their monetary claims. The bulk of the physical resources are consumed by “we the people”. For example, if Elon’s net worth were redistributed, it wouldn’t change the underlying technology stack’s utility or the available resource base. The loss of his private jet is but a miniscule fraction of overall air travel and he can only eat so many cheeseburgers.
we all have surplus, and waste it
bezos, for example, has multi homes, private jets, and so on—he is wasting surplus
wrong, i agree, but just a matter of degree.
you fly off for 2 weeks, to lie on a beach somewhere
you are wasting surplus.
if you try to control that, then controllers will be necessary—someone will have to tell you what is waste and what is not.–what you are allowed to do.—thier decision, not yours.
you dont need me to tell you how that will pan out.
and remember, half the world is employed catering to the wastefulness of the other half
and the industrial revolution started with the knowledge of how to produce ultra-cheap iron.
nothing more complex than that.
Friends on the social networks: an affordability issue. They are just a cheap alternative if real friendships in the world of the rising costs of relationships.
I think you are right.
Also, if a person is shy, a person doesn’t have to meet strange people in the same way.
Shy is another word for the lack of belief in growth. Aggressive people use various stimulants for having smile on their face, for facing the harsh reality. You can publish a photo with bold look on the social media, but the reality of your perception of the world and your attitude is different. The cosmetic industry is booming.
“The rising costs of relationships” So true! I held a party and someone (an older person, of course) sent me a hand-written thank-you card. I used to think of postage as next-to-nothing, but between the stamp and the card, you’re looking at $3-4 for such a simple gesture nowadays. I have a college-age niece, and she has to be careful navigating what her friends can afford—even just meeting somewhere for coffee could be daunting.
The Power that Be would like to think that in the case of a debt bubble crash, Central Bank Digital Currency can be rolled out.
This is a summary of where this effort seems to be now.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-09-06/central-bank-digital-currencies-cbdcs-accelerating-towards-dystopia
BRICS seem to be doing something similar, use of agricultural commodities to establish value comes to mine; widely used, good market prices available for means of exchange.
Saw a farm program which suggested a bushel of corn be used to find the costs of inputs. Advanced form of barter.
Dennis L.
Costs of inputs? Rising. That is a bad currency, which shows the truth. The food without subsidies reveals the truth about the energy basics of the humans.
The subsidized food is just a way how to avoid the use of food stamps. How to mask the problem.
Jeffrey Sachs article:
Accusations of US Regime-Change Operations in Pakistan and Bangladesh Warrant UN Attention
The very strong evidence of the U.S. role in toppling the government of Imran Khan in Pakistan raises the likelihood that something similar may have occurred in Bangladesh.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/regime-change-pakistan-bangladesh
This issue seems to happen over and over. Is it any wonder why other countries dislike the US?
Population growth and fight for resources: Slovak Roma families in northern Slovakia under High Tatras fight over inheritance of the house with axes and stones. Video included.
https://spravy.pravda.sk/regiony/clanok/722970-sialena-vojna-o-dedicstvo-znepriatelene-rodiny-pod-tatrami-na-seba-tasili-sekery-krompace-aj-kamene/?utm_source=pravda&utm_medium=hp-box&utm_campaign=shp_3clanok_box
Also other tools like spades, pickaxes included:
https://www.cas.sk/clanok/2962619/hromadne-besnenie-pred-skolou-vo-velkej-lomnici-vzduchom-lietali-kamene-lopaty-aj-sekery/
It happened in front of the school.
Violence seems to increasingly become local, when resources are scarce.
(Eugyppius + LTO.de)
Germany: “Top health official admits in court that (Covid) vaccine mandates HAD NO SCIENTIFIC RATIONALE.”
“Top health official admits in court that ‘independent’ pandemic expert advice was steered by politicians, that virus risk assessments were political & that vaccine mandates had no scientific rationale. The President of the Robert Koch Institut (the German CDC) destroyed much of the public mythology of the pandemic response in testimony before an Osnabrück administrative judge earlier this week.”
(…)
The protocols, having undermined a central pillar of pandemic mythology, are now beginning to have legal consequences. Specifically, and administrative court in Osnabrück has said that they call the constitutionality of 2022 vaccine mandates for medical staff and care home facilities into question”
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/top-health-official-admits-in-court
(Translated with deepl)
“The BVerfG ruled in 2022: The coronavirus vaccination requirement for caregivers was legal. However, following the publication of the RKI protocols, the Osnabrück Administrative Court assessed the situation differently and is convinced that the BVerfG should decide again.”
https://www.lto.de/recht/nachrichten/n/vg-osnabrueck-3a22422-bverfg-vorlage-impfpflicht-pflege
The lock ins, and the subsequent debt issued, did help bail out economies that were in terrible financial difficulty. The lock ins gave an excuse for temporarily suspending student loan payments. They gave a reason to keep people inside who would otherwise be participating in anti-government riots.
There were a lot of good reasons that politicians would want the lock ins. But they had little to do with the reason given to the public for the need for the lock ins.
For the lock ins I think you are completely right and I agree with you, but for vaccine mandates, which is the subject of the statement made to the German Court by the President of the Koch Institute (which is the equivalent of CDC, EMA and son on), it is another issue.
Lock ins had certain objectives that you described clearly, but vaccine mandates had other objectives which were beneficial for some Companies, for the subject of ‘making experiments in general’ and for other subjects…
and among these subjects it is probable that there is also the attempt to reduce population, or to reduce the life span of people in Countries with high energy consumption per capita.
Because, for instance, we could have the first objective reached (locks in), with the second matter solved with correct medical treatments, but there was, on the contrary, a campaign to suppress correct medical treatments, which was particularly bad.
In other words, in my view, it may be acceptable to be closed in for a while, for the benefit of all (if it is really like this), but it is not acceptable to be poisoned or to be obliged to play the game of the Russian roulette…
The self-organizing system seems to give us a package of outcomes that fills many goals at once. We humans don’t want to be treated as if we are objects in a game, but that seems to be the way it works out.
Yes.
The person, who started this development was Paul Schreyer, the founder of multipolar-magazin.de, a critical blog. He forced the RKI to publish psrts of the protocols, referring to the freedom of information act.
The respective article is this:
https://multipolar-magazin.de/meldungen/0098
Though a connection to finite resources seems logical, don’t forget that Fatih Birol had warned in 2019, that in 2020 will occur a supply crunch, we gave no evidence, yet.
A regional court has now with respect to the RKI protocols and the witness statement of Lars Schaade, head of RKI (German CDC), appealed to high court, to judge if the vaxx mandates have been constitutional.
Implicitly, the case is bigger, because when there is not state of emergency also the lockdowns, that clearly violate human rights, are unconstitutional and a crime.
German high court Bundesverfassungsgericht had declared the mandated constitutional because RKI had approved state of emergency. Schade said, that this was an order by the ministry and had no scientific or medical background.
What is more it is clear, that the vaxx is not able to mitigate a pandemic as it dors not reduce transmission and infection.
The violation of human rights is of course a crime in Germany.
The same applies to Austria. Austria helds national elections at 29.9.
Although some people here still stick on to hope, the window of opportunity for a new civilization has closed on around 2016.
If such progresses were done by 2016 it would have had some meaning, and if Ms. Clinton took over and obliterated Russia as she had planned, then the progresses would have continued, although it would have offended a lot of men in the Western world.
But now nothing will change the outcome of destruction and mayhem.
I don’t know whether it is denial coping mechanism or just blindsided. People are talking about remote data centers and starships when none of them actually exists now. A starship going nowhere is like the Survivor show where nobody died.
Too much resources were wasted to better the lot of the peoples who contribute nothing to civilization and it not possible to turn the trend.
Even if Gopalan the Tamil is defeated, it will just make the decline a bit more smoother, without no lasting changes.
Gopalan the Tamil
Excellent
Bankruptcies .
https://www.theepochtimes.com/business/solar-firm-lumio-files-for-bankruptcy-after-sharp-decline-in-demand-5718696?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=digitalsub
Belgium
https://www.politico.eu/article/belgian-bankruptcy-dents-europe-microchips-industry-belgan-china/#:~:text=BelGaN%2C%20a%20Chinese%2Downed%20factory,a%20mix%20of%20bad%20bets.
Regarding the solar bankruptcies article, it says,
Regarding the second article, the subtitle is
“Concerns about Chinese ownership impacted government’s thinking to keep microchips factory afloat.”
More mosquito lockdowns!!!
Officials in second US state issue stay-at-home orders because of deadly virus that kills one in three sufferers
“Vermont just became the second state to postpone public events in order to curb the spread of a deadly virus in the state.
The Green Mountain state joins neighboring Massachusetts in recommending their citizens stay home at night, amid high reports of Eastern Equine Encephalitis (EEE).
This rare sickness is carried by horses and spread by mosquitos, and in about 30 percent of human cases, can cause brain swelling, vomiting, seizures and death.
In addition to postponing local nighttime festivals and concerts, the Vermont Department of Health ‘strongly recommend[s]’ people in some of the state’s busiest towns stay inside between 6 pm and 6 am, when the bugs are most active.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13818543/vermont-state-nighttime-curfew-mosquito-triple-e-virus.html
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/netanyahu-humiliates-white-house-theres-no-gaza-deal-making-its-not-close
“Today, there is great wage and wealth disparity, just as there was in the late 1920s.”
The collapse at the end of the Bronze Age in 1177 BC was proceeded by disparity, the top of the heap lived in palaces. It’s hard to say how low the farmers lived. It is probably that drought down all the civilizations at the same time. Couple of hundred years later new civilizations arose, and some of those were ruled by dynasties that persisted for close to 200 years.
The solution to the population growth seems to have been war.
It is strange to be reading this book and see a NYT article on a city in Venezuela that collapsed. Famine isn’t the only way a culture can fail.
Is this the book following the first 1177?
Dennis L.
“following the first 1177?”
Yes. Though the subtitle “The Survival of Civilizations” isn’t very accurate.
Mostly they didn’t. But not all was lost, the idea of writing was salvaged.
Trick is to be one of those who survive with healthy children.
Dennis L.
>some of those were ruled by dynasties that persisted for close to 200 years.
More likely just someone using the more famous names of the old.
For example, Ramses II and Ramses III had nothing to do with each other. Ramses III’s father, who found a new dynasty , just used a famous name for his son.
There was a famous warlord named the Hojo clan, who ruled eastern Japan during 16th century. It had the same surname as the Hojo regency, who ruled all of Japan during the 13th century, but they had nothing to do with each other at all. The founder of the Hojo clan in 16th century thought that surname was cool and just appropriated it for his own use.
Gustaf VI Bernadotte styled himself as Gustaf Adolf, although he had nothing to do with the famous 17th century Swedish King and military leader at all. Such kind of examples are legion in history.
“More likely just someone using the more famous names of the old.”
The Assyrian succession records are explicit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Assyrians#Sargonid_dynasty
but who knows?
The oldest extant kings list of Assyria dates from around 1050 BC, and the Neo-Assyrian Dynasty, Sargon and all that, didn’t get founded until 911 BC. Its kings used names of kings who supposedly lived long before but they are not cross referenced.
Whatever was before 911 BC probably had nothing to do with the Neo-Assyrian Empire which is known to all students of ancient history.
Most of the book is about times that were 200 years or so after the collapse.
@Keith
What I am saying is the old order did not survive the Sea Peoples, and whether the rulers of Neo-Assyrian Empire recycling the names of old rulers is irrelevant for the discussion since they had nothing to do with the old order.
Cline has depreciated the Sea People as a major factor in the end of the Bronze Age. There just is not much archeological evidence. (His opinion, not my area of expertise.)
But you are right. There was a long gap before the Iron Age civilizations arose.
As a non-vaxxed but “survivor of Covid from 3 years ago, and what I think this summer was a very mild (1/100the severity) case of reinfection by a COVID variant, I have generally been pretty casual in my concern about this whole plandemic, although FE has always been there to remind me. But this article by Dr Nagase is probably worth reading, if only to understanding the concept that an alpha virus is one that exists between species and can act as a reservoir.
A virus like Ebola which is limited essentially to humans (may have jumped from monkeys but its reservoir is so small it has been difficult to discover) but because it is super lethal, kills the human before it can spread. In contrast, an alpha virus can enjoy the “benefit” of being lethal in one species, but being quite prevalent and easily transmissible between two species.
Now combine this with a vaccine that does not require a reverse RNA transcriptase to convert an mRNA to DNA which then becomes permanently encoded and reproduced into human DNA and theoretically gets passed along, and affected the sterility of the sperm or egg. Even if people were able to reproduce, Replicon would kill them off in theory, mooting the sterility issue.
But this Japanese vaccine Replicon does not rely on reverse transcriptase to install permanent DNA into the nucleus (from RNA outside to the DNA into the nucleus of a cell.) Replicon can make copies of itself outside the nucleus, bypassing the need to go through DNA.
This could be trouble if it truly is easily transmissible between species. It can be lethal in one species, yet prevalent, easily reproducible, non-lethal and thus easily transmissible in a another species. So that is the distinction. The size of the reservoir.
Any attempted quarantines as we have seen from COVID, wreck havoc upon societies and economies.
https://danielnagase.substack.com/p/japans-plan-to-destroy-the-world?utm_source=multiple-personal-recommendations-email&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true
“A virus like Ebola which is limited essentially to humans (may have jumped from monkeys”
This is utter nonsense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola
How so? My point is that for many infections, we have worked out etiologies, complex life cycles and transmission vectors. But somehow,at least over the last few decades, the source of Ebola, its mode of transmission or its reservoir have not been as clearly deliniated compared to the effects on humans who, when infected, display fulminant hemorrhagic and quite lethal fever. But I am only a physican with and MD and Masters Degree in anatomy and phsyiology. What do I know? Last time I checked, monkeys are primates. There were scant reports of dead primates, thus the reservoir less clear.
“Ebola, also known as Ebola virus disease (EVD) and Ebola hemorrhagic fever (EHF), is a viral hemorrhagic fever in humans and other primates, caused by ebolaviruses.[1]”
Read the Wikipedia articles on Ebola and Marburg virus. Chances are that the reservoir for both is bats.
“Reservoir
The natural reservoir for Ebola has yet to be confirmed; however, bats are considered to be the most likely candidate.[63] Three types of fruit bats (Hypsignathus monstrosus, Epomops franqueti and Myonycteris torquata) were found to possibly carry the virus without getting sick.[87] As of 2013, whether other animals are involved in its spread is not known.[86] Plants, arthropods, rodents, and birds have also been considered possible viral reservoirs.[1][31]
Bats were known to roost in the cotton factory in which the first cases of the 1976 and 1979 outbreaks were observed, and they have also been implicated in Marburg virus infections in 1975 and 1980.[88]”
This is a subject I have followed for at least ten years. Primates are not likely to be the source since they die from Ebola so fast.
This article starts out:
The article sounds as if there could be terrible impacts. But I don’t understand enough about this to see if the concern is warranted.
“It is a “self amplifying” RNA “vaccine”, that makes copies of itself, allegedly before producing the proteins””
That’s a good trick given that human cells don’t contain the molecular machines needed to replicate RNA. DNA information flows to mRNS to making proteins.
“The article sounds as if there could be terrible impacts. But I don’t understand enough about this to see if the concern is warranted.”
It’s as valid as the QAnon story. I.e., improbable BS.
Not that improbable BS is always harmless. Take QAnon for example. It’s just luck that no one was killed by an exceptionally gullible guy; (from Wikipedia)
On December 4, 2016, Edgar Maddison Welch, a 28-year-old man from Salisbury, North Carolina, arrived at Comet Ping Pong and fired three shots from an AR-15 style rifle that struck the restaurant’s walls, a desk, and a door.[44][45][46] Welch later told police that he had planned to “self-investigate” the conspiracy theory.[47] Welch saw himself as the potential hero of the story—a rescuer of children.[48] He surrendered after officers surrounded the restaurant and was arrested without incident;[49] no one was injured.[50]
Welch told police he had read online that the Comet restaurant was harboring child sex slaves and that he wanted to see for himself if they were there.[8] In an interview with The New York Times, Welch later said that he regretted how he had handled the situation but did not dismiss the conspiracy theory, and rejected the description of it as “fake news”.[51][52][53] Some conspiracy theorists speculated the shooting was a staged attempt to discredit their investigations.[54]
On December 13, 2016, Welch was charged with one count of “interstate transportation of a firearm with intent to commit an offense” (a federal crime).[55] According to court documents, Welch attempted to recruit friends three days before the attack by urging them to watch a YouTube video about the conspiracy.[56] He was subsequently charged with two additional offenses, with the grand jury returning an indictment charging him with assault with a dangerous weapon and possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime.[57][58]
On March 24, 2017, following a plea agreement with prosecutors, Welch pleaded guilty to the federal charge of interstate transport of firearms and the local District of Columbia charge of assault with a dangerous weapon. Welch also agreed to pay $5,744.33 for damages to the restaurant. U.S. District Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson (future Supreme Court Justice) sentenced Welch to four years in prison on June 22, 2017; at the sentencing hearing, Welch apologized for his conduct and said he had been “foolish and reckless”.[46][59][60]
Good observation.
“That’s a good trick given that human cells don’t contain the molecular machines needed to replicate RNA. DNA information flows to mRNS to making proteins.”
Sometimes one speed reads this information and makes inaccurte conclusions.
Dennis L.
Protein binder design hugely improved by the DeepMind team and the same technique will very likely work for for protein assembly creation / protein nanostructure (large components of multiple building blocks) design.
Maybe it is a gift to humanity. Maybe not.
Nature does a very good job of evolving in the direction of better adaption to the surrounding conditions. This approach might result in greater crop yield for the short term, but it likely will also have specific requirement with respect to water and nutrients.
Designing drugs for diseases we cannot treat now sounds good. Will we be getting 85 year olds to live to be 90 years old, using quite expensive medicines? Or are these drugs that will completely cure a 4-year old of a disease that might be a life-time problem?
Whether some people like or not, the days where only the top 1%-5% will have any rights, and the rest being confined to some hamster wheel until they drop dead, have arrived.
Like what Eric Blair has said“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever.”
Of course the human won’t include the transhumans and the Type I Civilization people, who will only come from today’s elites.
Complete surveillance and police state will keep things stable, just like Feudal Japan, which is the only society in modern age to have achieved a ZPG, Zero Population Growth, through rampant infanticide, abortions and encouragement of homosexuality. It did not change at all from 1600, when it was set up, till 1852, when Commodore Perry felt like visiting Tokyo with his black ships, a f’kup which was paid by the people at Pearl Harbor 89 years later.
“rampant infanticide, abortions and encouragement of homosexuality”.
Hard not to describe the current Western situation in this way. Someone posted that 27% of Harvard’s 2025 graduating class “identifies as” LGBTQ+.
Here it is:
https://www.queermajority.com/currents/lgbt-youth-are-spreading-their-wings-harvard-survey-shows
They learned the only way to control population from Japan.
Imagine having so little to offer society that you fixate incessantly on your sexual orientation.
I consider myself tolerant of non-heterosexual peoples, but don’t understand the concept of “Gay Pride” why is your sexual orientation something to be proud of. I am not proud to be heterosexual, I just am.
I think it is a reaction to gays being abused for so long.
But I think there is a scientific question. We know that being gay is set in the womb, The effect is small but well known that mothers develop anti-male antibodies so the chances of being gay go up depending on how many previous male children a woman has had.
We have always had a certain percentage of gay males and lesbians , but what I wonder is if it is just visibility or if some (probably man made) chemical(s) is affecting the sex orientation of unborn?
“We know that being gay is set in the womb”
There could be other factors.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3535560/
Where do the rich send their kids to school? My guess the rich are conservative.
“Where do the rich send their kids to school?”
Switzerland, I’d guess.
“If you hire your peasants, it’s capitalism; if you just take 50% of their crops, it’s feudalism.
I tried to find out what percentage of people’s income in America gets sucked up by the financial sector – which part of your salary goes to mortgages, student loans, credit card payments etc… The Federal Reserve doesn’t have any stats. Some economists say it’s 15%, some say it’s half, but one thing is clear: it’s not that different from having a Feudal Lord take your crops.”
– David Graeber
Kulm, can you point to a reference which discusses how imperial Japan encouraged homosexuality? I can not find anything.
I said Feudal Japan, not the Imperial Japan period (1868-1945) which encouraged women to pop as many babies as possible so they could smash themselves into US warships.
https://www.tofugu.com/japan/gay-samurai/
https://www.jstor.org/stable/jj.2392279
A search of homosexuality in tokugawa japan will yield a lot of results
“Of course the human won’t include the transhumans and the Type I Civilization people, who will only come from today’s elites.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Transhumanists_by_nationality
There are only about 110 people worldwide who are considered transhumanists by Wikipedia. (I am one of them and know about 20 of those listed.) Wikipedia has pages on about a million living people, so transhumanists are around one in 10,000 of the elite if you count having a Wikipedia page as being one of the elite.
Well, maybe.
i do not qualify as an elder yet—let alone an elite—and i think transhumanism would come under the Groucho Marx rule
“”I wouldnt want to be in the sort of transhuman club who would have me as a member”
as to the reality of it—utter, total BS as usual.
waste of a first class brain Keith.
Don’t listen to him, Keith. He only likes Kamala Harris because he thinks she’s got the same name as the Queen of England and is related to English hero Bomber Harris. So his partner tells me, anyway.
whether Norman thinks the Rhodesian was an English hero or not is his opinion, but the only thing I have to say about Arthur Harris is his strange value system of valuing an easily disposable grunt over a structure today’s people probably cannot be built was probably learned from the Shona people who are the closest thing to be a ‘native’ in that part of the world.
glad you’ve come in this topic zemi
i’ve been waiting for someone with clear knowledge of Keith’s transhumanism fixation—i’m not very clear on the subject—in fact i know nothing about it it at all
you, on the other hand, seem to know it isn’t utter BS.
i would be very grateful if you could explain it in words that even i can understand.
thanks
unless of course you are still suffering from verbal diarrhea?
“nothing about it it at all”
There is Wikipedia if you want to know more.
Because of my long standing activity in space, cryonics, nanotechnology, memetics, AI and other bleeding edge subjects, the well known tech writer RU Sirius tagged me with being “sort of an ur-transhumanist”
https://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/05/a-reprint-of-an-interview-with-keith-henson-by-ru-sirius-2/
That interview is over 20 years old. Progress is being made.
well keith—i admire your determination to expose religious cults and belief systems—i tend to roll eyes, shrug and let idiots get on with their chosen ”thing”—too old to do much else really
it starts to concern me when they dance around the oval office though and start speaking in tongues.
its a short step to inflicting fanaticism on others in a vicious, real sense.
so far, your thinking carries logic.
it loses grip on reality when we go into cryogenics, space colonies and transhumanism—etc etc.
none of those has purpose.
how—why?
because they require energy forms we do not posess, or are like to ever possess.
cryo needs sustained energy over centuries—no civilisation, to date, has managed to do this, still less proved the viablity of thawing you out in the future.
none of that exists, even in theory.—imagination?…well just about.
space colonisation cannot have purpose, just curiousity.—curiousity will not sustain space exploration—it hasnt so far
and we still only have fireworks to get off earth, or even at all without muscle power
the rest we’ve been through before, but i will not alter your certainties.
“when we go into cryogenics, ”
Please get the name right. It is cryonics. Cryogenics is another field.
“space colonies and transhumanism—etc etc.”
I was a follower, though a somewhat active one in the space colony meme. Bitch about it to Dr O’Neill of Princeton or the National Space Society.
Transhuman is something others have labeled me. Bitch at them.
“certainties.”
The future is not certain no matter what you say. Our best effort may not be enough, but I try.
the only certainty about of future is that our energy base will slip away.–finite means finite.
ie fossil fuels
the only thing i cant say for sure is the time factor
our species has spent the last 300 years burning 300 m years of fossilised sunshine—about 1m years worth per year.
we are close to the end of the road—we just cant see it yet.
our industry and livelihoods depend on that.
fossil fuels are more than our energy base, they are our product/wages base.–and always have been
about 90% of that base still needs fossil fuels. Without them, it will dissipate.
(stop me when I get something seriously wrong)
Yes, sun energy is limitless, and while theories abound about harnessing it, we have no large scale technology exists where we might do so.
and we have no meaningful industrial base that will change that.
Until now, our fuel base has been effectively free. To generate a different but still energy rich future will consume most of the surplus enegy available
Or to put it another way—we will have to sprint faster and faster to stand still.
mine as many asteroids as you like, it wont pay earth wages.
Make as much ‘stuff’ from asteroids as you like…unless it is bought and sold, it will not pay wages, and support market forces.
8bn people cant buy a new car every year.
i dont bitch about anything to anyone—maybe offer some information on the subject.—no doubt some of it is wrong.
as i keep trying to hammer home, we have not found a different way to get off earth in the last thousand years
nor, it seems, will we ever.
and usually—i cant even find my calculator.
“we have no large scale technology exists where we might do so.”
You have not been paying attention. Right now over half the electric power being used in California is from solar. It’s a hot day, every AC system in southern California is on.
“buy a new car every year.”
Nobody needs a new car every year. I just sold a Volvo that was 29 years old and still running fine.
“we have not found a different way to get off earth in the last thousand years nor, it seems, will we ever.”
You have not been paying attention. There are at least three ways that have been discussed in the last 30 years. Space elevators, electromagnetic catapults, and Keith Lofstrom’s Launch Loop. They all have problems, but the physics is sound. I worked out a spreadsheet for a lunar elevator. It’s a little more complicated than you want to try on a calculator.
They all have Wikipedia articles if you want to increase your knowledge about such things.
But we don’t need them. StarShip will lift 100 tons, perhaps as low as $10/kg. $100/kg is low enough to build power satellites that deliver competitive electric power or data centers in space for AI. There are several funded startups working on mining asteroids. If you can’t use the web to find them, ask and I will send you a list.
There are significantly wilder things being discussed, but if you can’t deal with the easy stuff, I won’t mention them.
///Space elevators, electromagnetic catapults, and Keith Lofstrom’s Launch Loop. They all have problems, but the physics is sound. ———– There are several funded startups working on mining asteroids. ——-//////
all the above are ”being discussed.”–hmmmmm.
like ‘cryonics’–despite calculations, they are misguided, to say the least.
”mining has always made money”—so do mining off earth—bound to make more money.—what you are describing is surplus earth money looking for a home in space.
that is the fallacy—irrespective of calculations.
i prefer common sense.—even you seemed to have dropped the notion of space elevators keith–or so i thought.
the ”astronomic costs” in mining asteroids will not pay earth wages.
and 99.9999999% (ish) of us will remain earthbound. (in the short term)—in the long term, make that 100%.
because ”space” has no long term purpose.
and breathing is a bit of a problem.—unlike other explorations—the Americas ,say, which unthinkers seem to equate it to.
“There are only about 110 people worldwide who are considered transhumanists by Wikipedia.” Wikipedia registers what it wants to register.
There have to be many more than 110 transhumanists since there are thousands (tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands) of people beavering away at transhuman projects. They just aren’t celebrities.
“There have to be many more than 110 transhumanists”
I agree. There are 4 or 5 thousand Cryonicists (only 50 are listed that way on Wikipedia). You could make a case that all of them are transhumanists. Same thing for all the people who are into advanced medicine, life extension, or expanding into space.
Didn’t intend to mislead, just a rough estimate of what percentage. If the numbers are representative of a population of 500 million to a billion people there would be 50000 to 100000 transhumanists. I.e., enough to fill a modest sized stadium but this is very rough.
I agree with you about people beavering away at transhuman projects.
Let the Games begin…lots of fighting going one shall we? Not enough to go around, especially when we reach 10 Billion..
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/09/05/water-wars-flashpoints-identified-in-africa-asia-and-the-middle-east.html
Water shortages are likely brewing future wars — with several flashpoints across the globe
Published Thu, Sep 5 2024 1:15 AM EDT Sam Meredith
KEY POINTS
The prospect of water wars is a long-running and active debate, with everyone from high-ranking U.N. officials to renowned hydro-politics experts voicing their concern about the perceived risks.
Growing competition for water in already arid areas, alongside the compounding effect of climate change, has led to a flurry of water-related headlines in recent months.
Francis Galgano, an associate professor at the department of geography and the environment at Villanova University in Pennsylvania, identified nine international river basins as potential flashpoints.
The sustainability of water has become an increasingly urgent global challenge. It is estimated that half of the world’s population already faces severe water scarcity during at least part of the year, while data published last year by the World Resources Institute warned that a staggering $70 trillion — or 31% of global gross domestic product — could be exposed to high water stress by 2050.
Not only worldwide, but States in the United States too a sparing off on who gets what and how much…lovely
Yes, water availability is a huge issue, especially with rising population.
Also, people have been told that hydroelectricity is a good thing. There are many problems with adding hydroelectricity. There is a great temptation to take water away from people downstream who were using it. This creates a huge problem.
Also, hydroelectricity seems to work as an add on to a system that is primarily fossil fuel based. But it is too irregular to work in many parts of the world, especially if a robust fossil fuel system is not available as backup. Tropical areas with seasonal rain don’t do well with hydroelectricity, at least in part because they cannot attract year-around industry.
Also, electricity is only a small part of what industry needs. It also needs oil and other fossil fuels. It helps if there are paved roads and an educated population. Adding hydroelectricity by itself doesn’t do enough. It often starts a war with neighbors. It may interfere with water transport of goods.
@Jan
https://ourfiniteworld.com/2024/08/21/todays-economy-is-like-that-of-the-late-1920s/comment-page-4/#comment-467017
The rich are subject to selective breeding
People with higher ability mate and produce higher ability people, etc, and now genetic enhancement, which is not cheap, is available
Plus who donates to the famous universities and send their offspring to them? Not the poor
Sorry, the rich tend to produce more notable people in proportion of their numbers, and they have the ability to shut down any opening and keep it closed eternally
The poor genes have insecurities, which are bred out in the upper classes, and the latter have more innovative genes and seek greater challenges.
Hunter Biden and George Bush went to the best universities. I expect them to turn into the best mechanics once the minure hits the fan.
Old Chucky messed this up in the UK by facilitating the sacrifice of a generation of the best of the country’s elites. By the time of the Armistice, a thick slice of the selectively bred were toast.
Chucky’s crime is bigger than that of Hitler (who was actually one of the people running away from Chucky’s f’kp) and Stalin combined since without Chucky neither of them would have been heard by anyone in this blog.
Chucky and his 200/400 Worcestershires basically finished off the British Elite class once for all, ending the possibility for a future civilization.
People like the late Dr. Robert Firth, descended from forest rangers in the midlands (I have said a few times that there was only one notable Firth in wikipedia prior to 1914, who ran a mill) proved to be no replacement for those who were lost, or those who would be unborn (for example there would be no descendants of Henry Oswald Moseley).
Instead we got the Mods culture, the Chavs culture and the Beatles, very important in their days but not even a footnote as far as civilization is concerned.
“By the time of the Armistice, a thick slice of the selectively bred were toast.”
The UK lost less than a million out of 45 million. Not that far from the USA civil war. You might be right that they preferentially lost from the upper levels of society. The record are there, it is something that Gregory Clark might be able to answer if you ask him.
Plus many millions of shell shocked people who were no longer sure of themselves and no longer positive about the progress of civilization.
Aldous Huxley was very aware of this problem. His masterpiece, Point CounterPoint, chronicles the British elite class of 1920s, all pursuing meaningless sex and immediate gratification, having seen it all.
Which is why he and his brother Julian Huxley were very active in the MK Ultra and all that to make sure civilization survived for half a century more.
Keith, I was trying to be humorous.
Bred — Slice — Toast
Don’t know why I bother.
“Keith, I was trying to be humorous. ”
It’s hard to get humor across in this medium.
I appreciate the effort. It happened to have kicked off a serious thought.
I remember reading somewhere long ago that the French drafted the taller men first and that the effect of so many of them being killed cut two inches off the average height in the next generation.
But that may have been the effects on children from not getting enough food. That happened in the US prior to the civil war and knocked an inch off the average height.
It took decades for this to be accepted because the academic types were so sure the US had never had a shortage much less one that stunted kids.
US crude oil inventories are extremely low, yet prices have been sliding. Zerohedge (not OilPrice.com) is writing about this issue. It looks like the Biden administration has been trying to get oil prices up by adding to the SPR, but this isn’t working. Zerohedge is concerned about a disconnect between physical oil and paper oil.
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/oil-slides-despite-huge-draw-sending-total-us-crude-inventories-2024-low
Oil Slides Despite Huge Draw Sending Total US Crude Inventories To 2024 Low
WTI is now at 68.94.
Wish I could say something substantive, but just dunno.
Thinking deflation, getting liquidity is now very expensive.
Dennis L.
Was the low energy consumption of the late 20s due to supply constraint, or transitions from coal to oil, or something else?
the means did not exist by which energy surpluses could be consumed.
cars, trains, planes and ships existed, but not enough of them to suck in excess energy.
most people walked to work, some rode bikes, a tiny few had cars.
we didnt jet off round the world to lie on a beach for 2 weeks because those planes didnt exist.
then ww2 kicked off the consumer economy—to keep people employed after the war
that burned through most of our cheap oil reserves.
The late 1920s were marked by great wage disparity. It may seem strange, but commodities, including oil, are disproportionately consumed by the huge number of poor people of the world. While there are small numbers of rich people, much of their wealth lies pixels in bank accounts and in supposed prices of shares of stocks. The rich people can’t eat much more than three meals a day. They can’t sleep in more than one bed a night. Commodities use is associated with basic functions, like growing and transporting food, heating homes, and operating transit of all kinds.
If the poor people are being squeezed, they will cut back wherever they can. For example, meat and milk tend to be higher priced than grains. They will shift their diets to be lower-cost, and thus use less energy.
A debt bubble could hold up stock market prices (thanks to investment using debt as leverage), but this benefit didn’t get back to the many poor people. Quite a few of these people were farmers-helpers who had lost their jobs when their employers bought fancy new equipment that took the place of much of the work of the farmers’ helpers. Also, smaller farmers who could not afford the new equipment. They worked using the “lots of manual labor model.” They found it impossible to compete with the low food prices made possible by the new machinery.
Will Data Centers in Orbit Launch a New Phase of Sustainability?
https://www.informationweek.com/it-infrastructure/will-space-based-data-centers-launch-a-new-phase-of-sustainability-#close-modal
John K Clark
“A new study funded by the European Commission finds promising results for space data center feasibility.”
It is amazing: When a government funds a study to determine whether some new idea will work, there seems to be a high probability that some organization will be willing to write a report indicating that doing so seems to be feasible.
Then, to further the debt bubble, increase the debt of EU countries to pay for initial work on putting together such a system. Lots of work for engineers and others.
“seems to be feasible”
IF what we see around Tabby’s Star is aliens then they figured this out thousands of years ago. There are dozens of things causing light dips. The biggest we have seen corresponds to one over 400 times the area of the Earth. If this is to be out fate, living as uploads in data centers out in space, it is stranger than anything a doomer ever imagined.
keith
at times i genuinely respect your intellect
other times i can manage nothing more than an eyeroll
“eyeroll”
Norm, be specific. What did I say in that post that is untrue or even misleading?
I can post the analysis of the size of the blocking object if you want to argue about 400 times the area of the Earth.
this tabby thing goes on—and on
the universe is full of stuff we do not understand, and probably will never understand
our brains are probably too puny to understand more than the tiniest part of it all—once we get off earth, we are in the unknown, let alone out further.
we are a biolgical species—no more than that.
for this time, we have created data centres—we then take the concept of ”upload”—and transfer that thought ”ourselves, for no better reason than we can.
so we slip off the reins of reality, and take ourselves into the idea, as if in some way it can actually ”be”
our molecular collection has formed itself into human shape
it could have been a cow shape, a cat shape, a dolphin shape–take your pick…none of those critters is very different to us–we are all formed of the same stuuff.
what it can’t be is a formation of digits.
and no–i cant prove that–but you cannot prove the opposite.
so i settle for the reality button on my calculator–i do not create realities that have no basis in common sense, and every basis in utter BS.
Keith, our Norman is stuck in a largely 20th century paradigm and his arthritic brain can’t think outside the box. Some ideas just overload his brain, and then he’s like a paralysed Dalek. “Overload! Overload! Out of control! Out of control!”
If he’d lived in Victorian times, he would have assured everyone that space travel was impossible, because no vehicle could possibly carry the amount of coal needed to convey it through space. And the 21st century Norman is no different. He remains a steampunk and can’t think outside the the box. Soon of course he’ll be inside the box – a wooden one – and it will no longer be a problem for him or us. 😉
ah zemi
when people no longer show up to listen to me talk about reality, and effects on humanity, then i will be forced to take your comments seriously
in the meantime, you will no doubt offer me your own version of reality, and confirm your certainties abour keiths proposed destination for humankind as a collection of digits in a data centre.
which with your undoubted knowledge of physics, in some strange way equates with getting ‘off earth’—which as i have pointed out before, still uses the same power source as the chinese did 1000 years ago.
, your ridicule ridicules only yourself—unless of course you can refute the above?
I think he means artificial structures can not possibly create those dips in the light curve. It has to be planet size objects (or larger of course).
“It has to be planet size objects”
A Jupiter sized planet would cause a 1% dip in the light curve. The largest dip is 22%.
One of the most plausible explanations is that the dimming is caused by chunks of an orphaned exomoon. Such a moon could have been pulled away from its planet by gravitational interactions with Tabby’s Star; as the moon came close to the star, it disintegrated, sending dust clouds into stellar orbit. These dust and chunks of rock are now moving between us and Tabby’s Star in a clumpy cloud, which would at least explain the irregular brightness variations.
yep. so it could be a brown dwarf. with those you get up to 80 times Jupiter in mass, so just about the right size in area. there could be other candidates, such as a cloud of planetary debris (this hypothesis can be eliminated or confirmed by looking at the edges of the light curve dips).
“a brown dwarf”
I think that has been ruled out. Whatever it is, the mass is low because there they don’t see radial shifts in the light.
That, to, Hideaway. The generally accepted theory of formation of our own Moon is a glancing collision with a Mars-sized planet. The debris formed a ring, which over millions of years coalesced into the Moon. so the light curve of the Earth, if anyone was watching, started low as the ring of debris was blocking light from near the Equator, to a few, prolonged dips as it started clumping, to one smaller dip as the Moon was formed. The same could have occurred elsewhere.
Seems logical, probably need to shield it some way from space radiation to avoid processing errors.
More use of “intermittent” solar energy. Simple solution to intermittent problem, move the use; this allows existing terrestrial infrastructure to serve processes which cannot deal with intermittency.
Starship to the rescue although Falcon 9 is currently doing a very good job. Existing engineering in proven applications.
A cubic mile of Pt and two cubic miles of Ag.
Dennis L.
anything else you want by the cubic mile dennis?
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single cubic mile of Pt.
“A reasonable, conservative estimate for the amount of platinum produced in a supernova can be quite challenging to pinpoint precisely. However, based on research and observations, it is estimated that a supernova can produce several times the mass of the Earth in heavy elements, including platinum12”
Copilot of course.
An exploding star is so efficient, seek and ye shall find.
Norm, we don’t want several times the mass of earth in metals on earth, we would wobble. A cubic mile seems so reasonable and fair.
A cubic mile sounds like such a catchy campaign phrase, shining with optimism, n’est pas?
Dennis L.
You speak a cubic mile of PT, which is about 300 times as heavy as the Three Gorged Dam, the largest manmade structure, like your treehouse.
Copilot is just your imagination talking to yourself. It cannot find anything.
I don’t care what your believe, but I don’t like your delusions affecting others here.
Chat GPT and co pilot were /are a fad , just like Fakebook , pet stones etc .
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/goldman-reveals-shocking-collapse-visits-chat-gpt-website
Seneca vs Zuckerberg
https://senecaeffect.substack.com/p/seneca-vs-zuckerberg-the-demise-of?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=26quge&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
“Seems logical, probably need to shield it some way from space radiation to avoid processing errors.”
Rad hard processors and error correction will suffice. The bigger problem is getting rid of the waste heat from the computation. But I came up with condensing radiators when I was working on power satellites.
let’s see
we have a data centre in space.
data centres exist to supply us with information—(any other function—please let me know)
the exchange information, they do not create anything or alter facts.
therefore the data centre in space will merely keep us informed of what’s going on here on earth.
now—i dont have access to your calculator keith, but as we live in an energy based economy, i imagine the data centre can only inform us that such a society is unsustainable.
a data centre, by definition, cannot inform about that which does not exist.
a data centre cannot change the unsustainable to sustainable—just by passing down information that says it is.
do you ever pause keith–and read back over the stuff you write??
“read back over the stuff you write??”
I didn’t write it.
you reposted it
Besides, why do we need more data centres? We already have more data than we can handle.
So people in the third world can watch more p*rn? (1/3 of all internet bandwith is used for p*rn)
“Besides, why do we need more data centres?”
The people involved are talking about spending as much as $7 trillion on new data centers.
you cant print $7 trn just to spend on data centres
money isnt produced by printing it
Under the fractional reserve banking system, actually it is. But energy isn’t. That’s why this and other websites exist. Bankers who condemned fractional reserve banking, such as Mervyn King, the former Bank of England Governor, stopped short of realising the connection to surplus energy.
There is no lack of energy from the sun. Converting it to electric power to run data centers is an engineering and economic problem. (and don’t forget the radiators to get rid of the waste heat.)
I asked why. That is not the answer to my question.
Again why do we need more data centres other than to enable people who live in the hinterlands to watch more steaming videos?
The new data centers are for training and using AI. We can argue that we don’t need AI, but there are investors who think they can make buckets of money from AI.
Nothing to do with streaming video.
Data harvesting to attempt to create a global network of control with drones that dictate when and where to strike people for dissent and do perception control with all authority given to AI as programmed by the elites.
Waste of resources to be honest. Not sure why you need to herd a billion Indians when you can just annex the continent of Africa.
One of the dreams included AI-monitored schooling and behavioral profiling anywhere in the world.
Goal is to make people dependent on the system and buy in, then get locked out of resources when they failed compliance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUeryhp8HSQ
Eric Schmidt CEO Google – AI happens next year
Here is one answer. Essentially, first company to create general AI… wins everything, and it will dominate so comprehensively, nothing else will be able to evolve in the open. Hence, extreme funding of data centres to do nothing except create AI.
BTW.. this is a horrifying video to listen to. But everyone should.
Computing power has to improve by at least 500 times as what we have now but we are not getting there.
stop watching repeats of terminator
They have a few things wrong in this article.
“….but there are other factors, like radiation and extremely cold temperatures, to consider.”
The components of a data centre are extremely heavy. All of it would have to get into polar orbit in order for the solar panels to have sunshine 24/7. That adds a lot more fuel to the requirement.
The orbit would need to be at least 1000km up in order to avoid the atmosphere. Otherwise, the data centre would de-orbit before long, or need even more complexity to stay up.
At this altitude we are into the really nasty radiation… which will change values endlessly in memory and during processing. Nothing stops this kind of radiation in space. It would be a mess. To counter this, a metre or so of lead or several metres of water would be needed as shielding. Now, its getting well into sci-fi land.
But it’s not the cold that gets you. It’s the heat. Heat build up is the problem with all space crafts, and a data centre is by definition a producer of heat. It can only be removed by infrared radiation, or through venting of water by state change.
This is so far away from reality that we might as well all be talking about a five dimensional, small moon sized unit of uranium… or what ever it is.
Just two old guys swimming in the sea of delusions
Nothing more
good post, JK.
“1000km up . . .
At this altitude we are into the really nasty radiation”
You simply don’t know what you are talking about.
I am an authorized user of the NASA space radiation analysis program OLTARIS and have made many runs looking at the radiation levels. Radiation is not all that bad until you get into the lower edge of the inner Van Allen belt at around 2000 km.
Generally yes; however, the belts are not uniform and they reach down at times and in odd places. The Atlantic off the coast of South America is one such place.
Radiation is a concern for people, from about 500km and up. This is why the ISS needs to stay below that altitude.
Don’t forget…. this needs to be a polar orbit for the solar panels to function 100% of the time. That’s where you get hit the most.
Finally, be weary about what data you believe.
“ . . . this whole network it was it was set up by Rick stangle and you know Rick
29:41 stangle you know would you say that the his job was to export the First Amendment former you know managing
29:46 editor of Time Magazine and it’s When Donald Trump was elected in 2016 you
29:52 know the guy whose job was to export the First Amendment wrote an oped I Believe In The Washington Post effectively
29:57 calling for end to the first amendment that that it needs to mirror that what Europe and and other countries have in
30:03 term then wrote a book making the same case right right but again this is the guy who was the under Secretary of
30:09 public affairs this is a very evil man Rick stingle well the point the point that I’m trying to make here is the the
30:16 Free Speech absolutist who was in charge of US Government projection of free
30:22 speech all it took was one election for for the entire diplomacy architecture
30:28 that you know that this principal Free Speech was based on to get completely bottomed out all it took was Donald
30:35 Trump getting elected for you know arguably 200 years of of of a First Amendment principle and 70 years of this
30:43 principle of exporting the First Amendment to be entirely discarded because it was leading to the wrong kinds of people being elected . . . “?
Somehow, the CIA wants/needs its propaganda to be heard around the world. It needs censorship, even in foreign governments, of articles that might support the right wing. First amendment rights get more and more suppressed.
I keep thinking that this one way migration from city to rural areas will be a subtle trend early on, but will accelerate. The big question, is this a harbinger of things to come in the US? While the TPTB may be trying to herd people into 15 minute (mega) cities for population control reality may dictate otherwise.
In China, the people who are without jobs in the city are moving back to rural areas (where costs are lower). Now should be the peak season for earning money, but people are returning to their ancestral homes long before their New Year visits. Wages of factory workers have been declining in China. When people can’t make enough money, they have no choice but go home.
High pay depends on factories doing well, with lots of overtime. Factories are not doing well now.
Three major problems:
The era of real estate is now over. People working in real-estate related jobs are losing their jobs (construction, sale, furnishings).
The rise of Artificial Intelligence is taking the place of many job opportunities in the cities. Also, automation within factories.
People who are working are often working around the clock, to make their businesses viable or to earn enough to survive.
Hundreds of jobs seekers are competing for a single position. Dire employment situation is a huge challenge. Number of unemployed is very large.
Film industry doing very poorly because few people can afford to go the movie. Cut back on all aspects of spending. Chinese tourism to Thailand has dropped more than half. Clothing stores especially affected. Restaurants seeing fewer customers.
Layers of debt by the various government levels are becoming an increasing problem.
People hope for governmental change to fix their problems.
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We have seen other information saying that coal prices are way too low in China. Many coal producers are operating at a loss. The cost of production and transport of coal to population centers has risen.
Also, China’s wages are far about those in other Southeastern Asian countries. It is hard for China to compete with them for exports.
Article about the amazingly widespread of green energy subsidies in US, and how they really work.
https://realclearwire.com/articles/2024/09/03/do_green_energy_subsidies_work_1055865.html
There is not going to be a whole lot of oil produced by the UK, but this approach seems to be a way to push the extraction down more quickly. It is not worthwhile to invest any more. Norway has lower tax rates.
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Top-UK-North-Sea-Oil-Firm-Sees-Rising-Windfall-Tax-Hitting-Investments.html
I wrote about this a few months back, natural monopoly, cell phone/internet from space and, drum roll, Solar Electric Energy for power source. I also did a Copilot on this
Global Energy Consumption: It is estimated that cell towers worldwide consume a substantial amount of energy. For instance, in the US alone, cell sites use almost 21 million megawatt hours (MWh) of power annually1. This is equivalent to the average power used by almost two million households. At $.1/kwh for the Us alone this is $2.1B/year additional income from solar.
Note, this is not Starship, it is Falcon 9.
Estimated total cost of sunk cellular tower cost, $3.5B.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD9JF2FZI_Q
Short video, ATT and Verizon are concerned. But, you heard it here a few months ago, we figured this one out.
Must owns 46% of space X, where does the rest of the money come from.
I have noted, an incredible amount of money is going into this venture. THEY know there are problems with “stuff” on earth, we will not solve tomorrow’s problems with today’s technology. l
Oil was a polluting steppingstone, we will make it, TINA.
Next, a cubic mile of Pt.
Dennis L.
It is so ridiculous, no one is even responding to this BS.
I have been eavesdropping on the virus vs. no virus vs. whatever debates that are raging across Substack, and doing a bit of commenting too. It reminds me a lot of the planes vs. no planes vs. no hijackers vs. real hijackers vs. jet fuel vs. controlled demolition vs. nukes in the basement vs. space-based lasers debates that went on after people started questioning the official story of 9/11.
In particular, while some people have been promoting the idea that viruses don’t exist for many years, this idea has gained more traction in the COVID-19 era. The Baileys (NZ’s most famous medical couple) have written a book on the subject called Virus Mania, and in the past few months, Dr. Mike Yeadon (Pfizer’s most famous former Vice President) has come out and stated clearly that he doesn’t believe viruses exist, and more importantly that nobody has ever proved they exist.
Mike has also gained some notoriety for suggesting in a town hall interview with James Dellingpole in June that Ivermectin is a dangerous drug that damages fertility and he has criticized the doctors (without naming names) who have been promoting it as a treatment for COVID-19, because since in his view viruses and contagious respiratory diseases don’t exist, there is no merit in trying to treat them.
It seems Mike has had a “road to Damascus” moment after working for forty years in drug research. And his stance has caused some uproar among the folks who rate Ivermectin as the best thing since Penicillin. Dr. Tess Lawrie , in particular, has twice asked Mike to debate Ivermectin, and today, according to the guy who runs Mike’s Substack, mike has made an announcement on Telegram in which he says, “If Tess holds a discussion with Christine [Massey] on the lack of scientific evidence for the existence of SARS-Cov-2, I’ll hold a discussion with Tess on a tightly related set of issues including the role played by Ivermectin.”
Christine Massey is a researcher who has been asking institutes and government departments around the world if they can confirm that they hold specimens of said virus and nobody has yet answered that they have. She is a strong supporter of the no-virus hypothesis.
“The old man in a chair,” Dr. Vernon Coleman, doesn’t believe in the existence of SARS-Cov-2. He thinks COVID-19 a re-branded flu. But he does believe in the existence of viruses. This has led to him being attacked by proponents of “no-virus” and becoming so exasperated with them that he wrote an article/video telling them they were wrong and attacking their scientific understanding and sanity in colorful terms. Christine Massey penned a Substack in which sh fact checked almost every sentence of Vernon’s piece like a school teacher correcting a science essay by a mediocre student, pointing out what she things are logical errors and fallacies in what must be easily the most long-winded and boring Substack article I’ve ever read. She may be right and she maybe wrong, but boy, is she picky.
Sasha Latypova and Christine used to get on quite well, but they had a falling out and Sasha banned Christine from her Substack some time ago. Recently, Same Bailey attacked Sasha because Sasha put a “Like” against something someone wrote, and when Sasha complained about the attack, Sasha received a message from Mark defending Sam and trying to invalidate the complaint. Sasha replied and brought up Christine as an example of “a deranged individual” and “that infected pimple on the ass of the internet.” Here’s the paragraph in question.
“Therefore, from his email I must conclude that I fully deserve to be called fly-on-shit and a narcissist because of my misguided placement of a “like” (!!!) on a 3rd party social media post. This justified all this furor! How would I feel if Sam Bailey like a post defaming me? Well, as a matter of fact she DOES like and promote people who defame me continuously, for example, Christine Massey, her associate. And this has gone on for a couple of years now, and it never bothered me in the least. Massey is a deranged individual whom I banned off my page for being an aggressive obtuse bully and for trying to compel my speech. (This type of behavior is about the only thing that will for sure get you banned from my Substack, but with a preliminary warning). Yet, she is Sam Bailey’s associate and friend, so clearly Sam Bailey has been liking the defamatory content that’s been spewing from that infected pimple on the ass of the internet all along. Yet, I assure you, none of this made me think less of the Baileys, because this middle school drama is irrelevant. I thought their work was good. I still think that the content of the videos where they talk about the subject and not diverge into silly dramas is good. ”
https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/a-tempest-in-a-teacup-my-email-exchange
I like Mike Yeadon and I believe he is an honest and intelligent and courageous individual whose warnings at the start of the pandemic and in the run-up to the vaccination campaign helped many people to refuse to be jabbed. But…
• I don’t understand why Mike has come to the conclusion that viruses don’t exist, even after reading his explanations.
• I don’t understand why Mike came out with a warning for people not to take Ivermectin, which has been used safely over decades as an anti-parasite medication and was proven safe and effective in the treatment of COVID-19 in the doses required. (In Mike’s favor, his initial comments re. Ivermectin were made off-the-cuff during a live interview, and I’m sure his actual stance is more refined and nuanced that what emerged during his talk with James, and I know he doesn’t condemn the use of that drug in modest single doses for anti-parasite treatment.)
• I don’t understand why Mike doesn’t administer his own Substack site, as most Substackers do, and as Gail does OFW, and why he appears to hide behind a “caretaker”. Interestingly, the Baileys also apparently have a similar arrangement at their website. You may think you are writing to Sam or Mark, but you will probably be read and replied to, or banned, by an assistant. (I know, with the thousands upon thousands of messages they get, there are not enough hours in a day…..)
• And I don’t know why Mike would slap an irrelevant condition on having a discussion with Tess Lawrie. Discuss or don’t discuss. No need to bring in third parties.
With the imposition of the proviso that Tess would need to discuss “no virus” with Christine and face Christine’s “aggressive obtuse” questioning style as a pre-requisite to discussing Ivermectin with the much more polite and friendly Mike, my view from the spectator seats is that Mike is effectively attempting to avoid a discussion without actually saying, “I want to avoid a discussion.”
“Why would he be acting like this?” I ask myself. And I don’t have any definitive answers at the moment. It doesn’t add up. It’s a bit like trying to solve a crossword puzzle with a very difficult 5 Down and a Cryptic 7 Across.
Meanwhile, Geert Vanden Bosche, who has never met a virus he didn’t think existed, has hidden himself behind a paywall and if you want to read or hear any more of his words of scientific wisdom and doom-mongering, you have to cough up for a paid subscription. I would love to hear a debate between the great virologist and some of the great no-virus promoters, including Mike Yeadon. The fireworks alone would be worth paying to see.
For anyone who’s interested, this is the post on Mike Yeadon’s Substack referred to in the above comment.
I don’t post on that particular site (and quite a few others that I read) because I don’t like the aggressive moderation style. If you comment there, you either agree and join the Amen Corner, or else you get ridiculed or told to know your place, and if you talk back to the head bully, you get deleted, banned and sent to Cyberia. 😉
https://drmikeyeadon.substack.com/p/fao-tess-lawrie?utm
My takeaway is that the adults have left the room. I was banned from Mike’s telegram page by his admin after sharing papers demonstrating that pathogens exist and cause illness. The admin in question had actually asked me to share papers that supported my position, offering £1000 if I could do so. That’s the current level of scientific rigger in Mike Yeadon’s circle.
As to the virus vs no virus debate, I suspect the issue comes down to just how shoddy the scientific community has become in addition to the accuracy (granularity) of the tools we use to measure what we are investigating. I happen to believe that viruses exist based upon my observations. One example, my nephew, who lives in a different county, contracted chicken pox (varicella zoster virus) earlier this year. I wanted to expose my two eldest children to it so I took them to visit their cousin when he was at his most infectious. The result, two weeks later both of my eldest children had chicken pox. Two weeks after that, they passed it on to my youngest child. All are fine and now have natural immunity.
The point I’m making is that we are in the rather bizarre position where “science” no longer explains what we observe. My advice is to leave the crazy kids alone.
“All are fine and now have natural immunity.”
That’s not exactly the case, though if it was before the vaccine was available, you did the right thing.
Chicken pox is awful if you get it as an adult (my wife did). But the long term after effect of getting it as a child is shingles. And that, I can tell you from direct experience, is extremely painful.
There is a vaccine now that gives kids immunity without the long term risk of shingles.
FYI, the chicken pox vaccine doesn’t confer immunity. As per the CDC:
“What is breakthrough varicella?
Breakthrough varicella is an infection with wild-type varicella zoster virus that occurs in a varicella vaccinated person more than 42 days after vaccination.”
https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/hcp/communication-resources/breakthrough-varicella-infographic.html
We know children who have had the whooping cough vaccine and still contracted whooping cough. I don’t know why vaccines have this reputation of being infallible.
I’m sorry to hear about your shingles issues, as you say, that can’t be pleasant.
“I don’t know why vaccines have this reputation of being infallible.”
They don’t among people who know something about the topic. I read _Microbe Hunters_ when I was in the 4th grade and I still remember the sad failure of rabies vaccine in that account (saved all but a few who had been bitten by a rabid wolf).
Vaccines are variable, from ones like measles which is almost as good as having the disease to HIV where the best efforts of legions of biologists for decades have failed.
Childhood vaccines are not perfect, but they are very, very good. Like you I know of a few breakthrough infections.
Tim, for what I can see, Mike Yeadon and others (including Vanden Bosche) are paid actors whose role is to attract people like us telling really (looking) smart things and when they have gained enough attention from us they either start telling bullshit or they disappear or they are condemned by the justice or whatever that can discredit them. Then, their followers are left on their own thinking they have no other choice than accept the mainstream views as absurd as they can be. I can see the same process in so many cases. TPTB control the opposition so there is no real opposition. Smoke and mirrors everywhere.
I want to comment, but I can’t, because WordPress won’t let me.
Ah, that’s better! Now I can comment again!
My next problem is I can’t think of anything to say.
thinking is required?
post viral mitochondrial dysfunction/ATP deficit or simply enlightenment?
Dr Dayan Goodenowe has some interesting research on plasmalogens
https://prodrome.com/
Thanks for that. No enlightenment yet. Don’t you have to sit on a rock for three years or something?
Since the illness, I haven’t slept so well in years, so it’s not all bad.
You can’t have too many supplements, according to supplementary information from the supplement industry.
From the link:
Why do you need plasmalogens?
Plasmalogens are essential molecules for the cells in our bodies.
These cells have vital roles in the brain, heart, lungs, kidneys, and eyes.
As we increase in age, these cells decrease in quantity.
Studies have shown that the decrease in these molecules may be related to the symptoms of brain diseases.
Plasmalogens are naturally inside us, so you can rest assured by supplementing plasmalogens.
From the link:
There is a blood test kit that they will sell to health professionals.
https://prodrome.com/products/prodromescan-blood-test-collection-kit
wordpress censsoring standard continuously upgraded. they might not like your face. the use of the words wtong or chewish will trigger moderation, not just canola or other nazty words. Now they are censsoring apparently mild posts on smoothiex12 for example. Perhaps a nazty word dictionary, to be published on eddy’s substack, is in order.
This comment was not moderated.
Yes, this is good to know. WordPress was pretty good until about a year ago, when they only censored posts based on a list of naughty words, but there are more and more bugs, and more and more security checks these days.
The Golden Age of the Virtual Wild West are behind us, I fear.
But I suppose Blogger is as bad or even worse. Not many people are posting on that any more.
Check this out.
23 min mark.
10-15 years till NO OIL left on earth?
WE ARE EASTER ISLAND! (5G Towers and Wind Turbines are our statues)
This sounds to me as if it is a guesstimate of how much tight oil from shale fields (perhaps only in the US) that there will be in the future. This seems to be what “runs out” between 2034 and 2040. It doesn’t say anything at all about other kinds of oil, or other locations, as far as I can tell.
I looked at some more of this. I perhaps read the graph wrong that led me believe that he was talking about tight oil from shale is the problem.
This fellow is claiming world oil supply will decline will decline to zero very soon.
He assumes that oil reserves are exactly right, and that we keep producing from them, so they deplete to zero. He also mentions the falling net energy problem.
There definitely does look like there could be a population bottleneck problem in the near future, I agree. The Limits to Growth Study and other analyses come to the same conclusion. The problem is getting clearer and clearer.
But some people lived before oil supply (and coal supply). There likely will be some survivors.
And his method of projection is very strange. The amount of oil won’t necessarily go to zero that soon, but the amount of oil available to ordinary consumers could go to zero, very soon.
How exciting….I watched a bit of it myself and the part I saw expressed rapid drop to zero…
Doubt things will hold together till then.
By the looks of the political social discord, it’s falling apart as we discuss it all here
WWIII- 80% Of Transactions CANCELLED – China FURIOUS
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d5kcNBtRTaU&t=215s
What the US is doing is criminal, would you expect another else from Uncle Sam..it what he does, can’t help it
“80% of transactions with Russia [from China] have been blocked in the last month”
I don’t know that this is true. I keep seeing it reported by Western sources, but not China or Russia. Russian government officials don’t seem to be freaking out and the Ruble has *strengthened* over the last week or so. Meanwhile, we know they are moving some types of transactions to new payment mechanisms and they’re still announcing plans to increase the volume of trade by 2030. That doesn’t sound like someone who is being attacked.
Could it be that we just don’t see the transactions anymore or they’ve moved to a new payment mechanism? Not saying this news is false, but it doesn’t add up and we know Reuters et al publish false narratives on Ukraine and other topics.
Yes, there is always gold. But I think they are using a lot of stablecoin, which sort of defeats some of the ideas behind BRICS, that is these are still dollars. Anyway this action by the USA is accelerating the debugging and rollout of the new system.
Good points!
“rapid drop to zero”
The South Africans made do for decades with synthetic oil made from coal. There is a lot of coal and a lot of thick oil that could be extracted if the price were high enough.
I think the technology base will change beyond recognition over the next decade.
On the other hand, we could get hit with a volcanic winter.
Getting the price high enough for extraction of coal is a huge problem, however. The world has had this problem since 2013. The year 2022 was dreadful in terms of high price for coal.
Most of the time this has been done in the past they burned a substantial fraction of the coal to power the conversion of the rest of it to syngas.
If you use excess solar energy to power the conversion, it takes a lot less coal. And you don’t require coal, anything with carbon in it will do.
trees might be a good idea then??
or maybe surplus people??
”if the price of coal derived oil were high enough”
ok
problem there is our economic system is based on low priced oil relative to energy available, by the public at large, to use it.
if say, diesel was made for agricultural machinery, by that method, it would push the cost of farm produce beyond the reach of the average consumer, and so would not be viable,
if it was subsidised, to keep food prices down, that would throw everything out of balance, because subsidies ultimately derive from we taxpayers.–so it would gradually suck the system dry.
you cant have a two tier fuel pricing system because our entire economic existence depends on freedom of travel, and cheaply.
if you cant travel to work,(because fuel costs too much) and so earn wages, food will become unaffordable at any price.
If only the rich are able to afford to eat, there will be violent revolution, in short order.
South Africa didnt ”make do’ on synthetic oil. They had a 2 tier apartheid system. whites over blacks. synthetic oil supported that, not the country as a whole.
Nazi germany tried the same thing—with the same end result.
they didnt last. Synthetic oil is not cheap in real terms.
you should find the reality button on that calculator keith.
Trillion dollar data centers are our crowning constructions.
Put them in space, cheap electricity.
Dennis L.
No, excuse me, it’s not quite 4 mb/d.
“where does iran sell its oil”
Google responds:
“Iran’s main oil export destination is China, which buys around 90% of Iran’s oil. Iran also exports oil to other countries, including Thailand, Oman, Russia, and Uzbekistan.
“Iran’s oil exports have been complicated by techniques used to obscure trade patterns, making it difficult to identify Iran’s trade patterns and to enforce sanctions. For example, Iran and China have developed a system that bypasses Western banks and shipping services. Iran ships oil to China using dark fleet tankers and receives payments in renminbi through small Chinese banks.”
Shows the petro-dollar transactions don’t nearly tell the whole story, as EIA says Iran produces over 4 mb/d of crude oil.
Famous and popular Czech child pyschologist commited suicide:
https://www.cas.sk/clanok/2961801/tragicky-koniec-patrania-u-nasich-susedov-znamy-elitny-psycholog-ptacek-48-je-mrtvy/
Another victim of the brutality of the system changes that are of physical nature…
(CNN + English Al Arabiya)
“US plans to accuse Russia of effort to influence 2024 election: CNN”
The real point I would like to understand of this news is: considering for the moment that US agencies quoted in the article are right:
in favour of whom do the Russians want to influence US elections?
Kamala or Donald?
Are they saying that Kamala or Donald have a particular deal with the Russians or do they have (one of the two) a particular foreign policy in favour of Russia?
That is the point.
If they want to blame one of the two candidates for their policies against American people they should say it.
“We don’t want that the Russians will influence the elections pumping for Kamala (or Donald), because we don’t want that Donald (or Kamala) will win the elections.”
That’s why are searching for people on internet.
By the way, will they search those targets also here?
Could we still speak freely?
In my view the final point is shutting people up.
“It is better that you don’t pump the wrong candidate my friend, otherwise I will put you in jail for being a foreign agent”.
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/united-states/2024/09/04/us-plans-to-accuse-russia-of-effort-to-influence-2024-election-cnn