Losing the Iran War May Be the Best Outcome for the World

As I will explain, the outcome that looks like losing may actually be the best path forward for the world’s remaining economies.

The fighting today is with respect to which parts of the world will get which energy resources, and at what prices. Even before the current conflict, there was a shortage of jet fuel and diesel. The only reasonable outcome I can think of is that the US will only be able to tap its own energy resources, plus those of its nearby neighbors (Figure 1). Consequently, the economy will gradually reorganize in ways that use fuels more sparingly.

World map highlighting regions impacted by fuel shortages, affecting international trade.
Figure 1. A chart I made when trying to explain that it is really the heavy oil portion of oil, which disproportionately makes diesel and jet fuel, that is especially constrained. Reducing travel across the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans would leave more heavy oil for other purposes, such as growing food.

The outcome outlined in Figure 1 implies that Donald Trump and the US-Israel coalition will lose the war against Iran. It appears that the physics of the situation (or perhaps the Higher Power behind the physics of the situation) has chosen the flawed personality of Donald Trump to accomplish the required result. This is a situation where what seems to be the US losing in its conflict against Iran is actually winning for the overall world economy. If oil can be used more sparingly in the future by servicing people closer to where end products are made, the available energy resources will provide greater benefit to society as a whole.

In the remainder of this article, I will try to explain the situation more fully.

[1] Background

In physics terms, an economy is a dissipative structure. In order to stay away from a dead state (collapse), it needs to “dissipate” energy of the right kinds. A human is also a dissipative structure. We dissipate food to stay away from a dead state.

From a physics point of view, fossil fuels are as essential to economies as food is to humans. Without fossil fuels, economies tend to collapse and die. With an adequate supply of easily extractable and transportable fossil fuels, economies are able to grow. However, when these fuels become less available due to the exhaustion of nearby resources, or for other reasons, economies are forced to shrink. Rising population can also be a factor because every person in the world needs food and at least minimal transportation. The war is about future standards of living in countries around the world.

An underlying problem is that the world now has too many people for the available resources, such as fresh water. One chart showing data through the end of 2023 indicates that the Middle East is home to 4,863 desalination plants, or about 42% of the world’s total. This region is acutely stressed for fresh water. The Middle East cannot grow much of its own food; it must depend on imports, which are grown and transported using oil.

Previous analyses (here and here) have shown that diesel and jet fuel supplies have been in increasingly short supply since long before the Iran War.

Line graph showing global per capita diesel supply as a percentage of 1980 levels from 1980 to 2024, indicating a decline since 2008.
Figure 2. World per capita diesel supply, based on data of the 2025 Statistical Review of World Energy, published by the Energy Institute.

Critical minerals, used in electrification, are also in very short supply. In a finite world, the easy-to-extract minerals are extracted first, leaving the high-cost-to extract minerals for the future.

In today’s fossil fuel economy, oil is the largest component. Oil is usually the highest-priced of the fossil fuels because it is energy-dense and easy to transport and store. If oil supply fails, an economy is likely to collapse. Coal and natural gas are the other fossil fuels. Liquefied natural gas (LNG) is natural gas that is super-chilled and shipped long-distance by boat. Similarly to oil, its price is under pressure today.

[2] The world’s fossil fuel economy already seems to be at a turning point in its economic cycle.

It is well known that economies exhibit cyclical behavior. Researchers Peter Turchin and Sergey Nefedov analyzed eight economies that collapsed and published their findings in their book Secular Cycles. They found that populations that discovered new resources were able to grow for a period of time until they came close to the carrying capacity of the resources available. After approaching the carrying capacity, economies reached a period of stagflation, characterized by slower growth, inflation, and spiking prices as shown on Figure 3.

Graph illustrating the shape of a typical secular cycle, showing phases of growth, stagflation, crisis, and intercycle over time in relation to population.
Figure 3. Chart by author based on information provided in Turchin and Nefedov’s book, Secular Cycles

At this point, the fossil fuel system has been growing for over 200 years. It has undergone stagflation since the early 1970s. It is now ready to begin the downswing of the Crisis Years.

Now, the Iran War seems to mark the beginning of a fairly long Crisis Period. The Stagflation Period was expected to last 50 to 60 years. The year 2026 is 56 years after the time US crude oil production stopped growing, so the timing is roughly in line with expectations. However, we don’t know whether the Crisis Period will really last between 20 and 50 years, since the situation is now quite different compared to cycles before fossil fuels were added to the economy. But it does look like the world economy is headed for reorganization based on the limited fuel supply.

[3] In order for an economy to “work,” oil prices need to be both low enough for consumers, buying end products such as food made possible by the use of oil, and high enough for oil producers.

This issue is not one most people think much about. There are really two different oil price levels that are important:

(a) The price level affordable by consumers. If consumers cannot afford food or basic transportation, this quickly becomes a problem that leads to unhappiness with elected officials. This is the reason why elected officials often try to hold down oil prices.

(b) The price that oil producers require in order to make an adequate profit and allow investment in new wells to offset depletion in existing wells. In the case of oil exporters, oil prices may need to be very high to permit high taxes on oil exports to support food subsidies and other government programs.

I believe that a major problem we have reached today is that countries that are primarily oil exporters, such as Russia and countries in the Middle East, need far higher oil prices than consumers are able to pay. Even if the wars in Ukraine and Iran stopped tomorrow, the world would still have this underlying issue.

[4] Since 2014, oil prices have been too low for countries that use taxes on oil exports as a major source of tax revenue.

Graph showing the average annual Brent oil price from 1945 to 2025 in US dollars, highlighting trends and key price points for consumers and producers.


Figure 4. Oil prices in 2025 US$, with ovals marking three different oil price periods. Oil prices are based on oil data from the 2025 Statistical Review of World Energy, published by the Energy Institute, adjusted by the US CPI Urban increase to 2025 levels. The 2025 average Brent oil price is from EIA data.

Figure 4 shows average world oil prices on an inflation-adjusted basis, to 2025 price levels. As such, prices for earlier dates appear much higher on the graph than past observers would have seen them.

The low oil prices from 1948 until early 1973 were good for economies around the world, including the US. In the early days of oil extraction, oil was easy to extract and close to where it was to be used. The cost of extraction and transport was low. Consumers started seeing many more products become available. Many families in the US could afford a car for the first time. Also, the US was able to support the recovery of European economies from the impact of World War II at a cost that was not excessive.

In recent years, costs have risen. This is especially the case for the price needed by oil exporters. Part of the problem is that the size of the population requiring subsidy keeps growing, while oil production has been close to flat.

A line graph showing Middle East crude oil production alongside population growth from 2000 to 2024. Crude oil production remains flat, while the population steadily increases.
Figure 5. Crude oil production of the Middle East and population based on data from the 2025 Statistical Review of World Energy, published by the Energy Institute.

A second part of the problem is that economies of oil exporters often have few other sources of taxable revenue. Oil exporters are trying to change this by adding downstream manufacturing that uses the oil and gas they produce. A third part of the problem is that, as population grows, the higher population tends to use more of the available oil supply, leaving less for export.

Figure 6 shows that, in the 2011-2013 period, oil prices seemed to be high enough for most OPEC members (except Iran). Fiscal break-even prices indicate how high oil prices need to be, including the amount of tax revenue needed to balance budgets.

A graph showing OPEC countries' fiscal break-even prices in dollars per barrel (S/bbl) versus cumulative petroleum production in thousand barrels per day (mbd), highlighting Saudi Arabia's position at around $100/bbl against a backdrop of other OPEC nations.
Figure 6. OPEC Fiscal Breakeven prices, published by APICORP in approximately 2013.

The notation in yellow on Figure 6 shows that the expected fiscal breakeven break-even for the period under analysis for all OPEC members combined was $105. EIA data shows that the average Brent oil prices during this period were $111 in the year 2011, $112 in the year 2012, and $109 in 2013. Thus, prices were high enough for most producers. Iran was an outlier on the high side, with a range for the 2013-2014 period of $110 to $172. (A more recent forecast for Iran shows a 2025 fiscal breakeven price of $124, which remains far above the pre-Iran war oil price.)

Figure 4 shows that oil prices began to fall in 2014. At these lower levels, it became increasingly difficult for oil exporters to obtain enough tax revenue to significantly help their local populations. They started needing to use more debt to fund their local economies. As a result, they gradually became increasingly unhappy. Figure 4 shows that the average price 2025 for Brent oil was only $65.

To make matters worse for oil exporting countries requiring high prices, oil price forecasts by the EIA and IEA for the year 2026 were even lower because of an expected oversupply of oil. Countries with growing oil production included Argentina, Brazil, China, and Guyana. In addition, some counties on the coast of Africa are hoping to add oil production. Unless world demand is growing rapidly, more oil supply tends to lead to lower prices and a worse situation for oil exporters trying to balance their budgets with taxes on exported oil.

[5] Without the war, LNG prices would also have been too low for LNG exporters.

LNG is a “modern” way of shipping natural gas. Only about 13% of natural gas is transported as LNG. It tends to be an expensive method of transport. Recent reports indicate that a huge amount of future LNG supply is planned for the next few years.

Bar graph illustrating the growth of LNG supply from various countries including the US, Australia, Qatar, Russia, Canada, and others from 2016 to 2035, highlighting a significant increase in supply over the years.
Figure 7. From “Will QatarEnergy’s LNG Fiasco Derail Goldman’s Prewar View Of A Mega LNG Wave.” Source.

Adding a huge amount of LNG would probably cause prices to drop significantly. This would be great from the point of view of consumers, but it would likely leave prices too low for producers. As I see the situation, Middle Eastern producers are likely to need prices in the $15 to $20 range per million metric tons of LNG, while India is not willing to pay more than $10 per unit, and those wanting to replace coal are unwilling to pay more than $5 per unit. Thus, without the war, LNG would have had a similar problem to that of oil, with prices far too low for exporters.

[6] From Iran’s point of view, I see the war as similar to a suicide, when a farmer can no longer support his family.

With Iran’s fiscal breakeven price at $124 per barrel and the pre-war Brent price at only $65, Iran was already in an impossible position. In fact, Iran could see that all of the Middle East infrastructure would be close to worthless, at expected 2026 oil and LNG prices. So why not take it down as well?

If nothing else, a war might help raise prices, at least a bit. Notice that on Figure 4, oil prices bounced up a little from their very low level in 2022, the year when the Ukraine conflict started.

[7] Losing any significant share of energy supply is likely to significantly reduce world GDP.

If the energy supply were to be lost, the world would be dealing with the losing something equivalent to its food supply. If the world economy loses even 10% of its oil and LNG, it is not difficult to imagine world GDP falling by 10%. At this point, we don’t know precisely how much energy supply, of which kind, will be lost, or for how long. The amount lost could be far higher than 10%. Also, the outage could last for years.

There are many issues involved. Supply lines are breaking down forcing businesses to find closer sources for both energy products and products made using cheap local energy products, such as fertilizer and aluminum. The war, as it is taking place today, is leading to major damage to energy-related structures in the Middle East. Destroyed LNG structures are estimated to take at least five years to replace. Damage elsewhere is also immense. Rebuilding the oil infrastructure will also likely take at least five years.

[8] The US understands the importance of Middle Eastern oil and gas. It uses its strong relationship with Israel to further its military presence in the Middle East.

Israel is a very high-level ally. In fact, a 2025 US Department of State Fact Sheet says that the US is committed to helping Israel in the case of an attack:

Steadfast support for Israel’s security has been a cornerstone of American foreign policy for every U.S. Administration since the presidency of Harry S. Truman. . . Israel is the leading global recipient of Title 22 U.S. security assistance under the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program. . .Israel has been designated as a U.S. Major Non-NATO Ally under U.S. law. This status provides foreign partners with certain benefits in the areas of defense trade and security cooperation and is a powerful symbol of their close relationship with the United States. Consistent with statutory requirements, it is the policy of the United States to help Israel preserve its QME, or its ability to counter and defeat any credible conventional military threat from any individual state or possible coalition of states or from non-state actors, while sustaining minimal damages and casualties.

However, if we look to see where US military bases are located, they are not in Israel. Instead, a map shows that the “persistent” US military bases are all located around the Persian Gulf (Figure 8).

Map showing U.S. overseas military bases in the Central Command Area of Responsibility (CENTCOM AOR) in the Middle East, including locations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.
Figure 8. Figure shown by Congress.Gov of US bases in the Middle East, as of July 10, 2024. Source.

These bases were clearly intended to protect oil transiting through the Persian Gulf. At this point, all of the persistent bases have been severely damaged by missiles from Iran.

The major interest of the US has been the availability of oil and natural gas from the Middle East. No one ever considered the idea that low prices might be the force that would bring down Middle Eastern oil and natural gas exports.

Friendship with Israel provides the US a convenient close by ally. It also pleases both Jewish Americans who support Israel and those evangelical Christians who hold a religious view that Israel is needed for the second coming of Christ. Some of the latter may even believe that a war in the Middle East could perhaps hasten this event.

[9] Trump realizes that winning the war against Iran is absolutely essential if the US is to retain global hegemony.

The US has been the holder of the world’s reserve currency since immediately after World War II. It was chosen for this role because it was the most trusted and dominant country in the world. International trade took place almost exclusively in US dollars, creating a high demand for US government debt. This allowed the US to import more goods and services than it exported, year after year. This advantage tended to raise the standard of living of US residents.

At one time, Saudi Arabia insisted that all oil purchases be made in US dollars. This requirement has recently expired, but, as a practical matter, the majority of purchases have continued to be through trades in US dollars.

One of the main ways that the US has maintained its hegemony is by building military bases around the world. With these bases, the US can claim to protect countries against aggressors. However, recent events have shown that Iran is able to take down the radar systems at these bases. Without radar, the bases are virtually useless. If the US is to maintain the illusion that it is truly at the top of the pecking order with its sophisticated weaponry, it must show that, together with Israel, it can prevail against Iran.

A disadvantage of the role of being the chief hegemon is ever-rising US government debt and the need to pay interest on that debt. This growing debt and the interest on the debt has become an increasing burden.

If the US should lose its hegemony role, the advantage the US has had over other countries in trade is likely to disappear. Repaying debt with interest is likely to become an even worse problem. If this should happen, Trump will no longer be able to think about making America great again.

[10] Conclusion

The world is now facing a problem that most people never considered possible: Oil and LNG prices can fall so low that production becomes unprofitable for major oil and LNG exporters. Until now, the trend among world leaders, including President Trump, has been to try to hold prices down for consumers, so that food and fuel for vehicles would remain affordable. However, this has created a problem in that prices have become too low for countries whose primary industry is being an oil exporter.

At this point, the world economy needs to make a major transition in order to deal with the inadequate level of fuels available for long-distance transportation. These same fuels are heavily used for farming and for many for commercial endeavors, such as building homes and roads. It is therefore necessary to find ways to use these fuels more sparingly. One way to achieve this is by reducing the length of most supply lines, as shown on Figure 1. Shorter supply lines will also be needed elsewhere in the world.

It is ironic that the world economy cannot make a change such as this without a war to focus our attention in this direction. Other changes will also be needed. Governments will probably have to become smaller and provide fewer services. Vacation travel will become the exception rather than the rule. “Working from home” will become the norm, whenever possible. I expect that the world’s population will need to fall, albeit in a fairly subtle way. I expect this will mostly be the result of shorter life expectancies.

We are fortunate that economies are self-organizing. If resources are available, even after a major schism such as the loss of the war against Iran, the self-organizing nature of the economic system will try to knit together pieces that can productively provide goods and services. This cannot happen instantly, but this feature means that there are likely to be some jobs and some goods and services available. Past cycles of the type illustrated in Figure 3 have eventually led to new beginnings.

If the US and Israel lose the current war against Iran, I expect President Trump to be blamed for this loss. However, I believe that this outcome would be best for the world as a whole.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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50 Responses to Losing the Iran War May Be the Best Outcome for the World

  1. Lorraine Sherman says:

    Thank you, Gail, for this rational and logical explanation of our energy predicament. Unfortunately predicaments have outcomes, not solutions, so we’re going to have to manage our downward energy descent.

    Your comment: “I expect that the world’s population will need to fall, albeit in a fairly subtle way. I expect this will mostly be the result of shorter life expectancies.”

    – a little chilling.

  2. Hubbs says:

    Your conclusion on this post, immediately bought to mind your recommendation at the onset of the Covid scamdemic, was not to vaccinate, quarantine, or shut down the economy, rather to just let it and natural immunity run its course.
    I suspect this Iran war will be the hard start of the decline in the global economy with the paradox of lower prices leading the way to demand destruction.

    The question is, do you believe in a green chicken?

  3. I AM THE MOB says:

    India: Mock drill announced in delhi at 8 PM today for preparedness for emergency situation

    *Sirens will be heard
    *Lights will be blacked out

    https://x.com/Goreunit/status/2039669034221002808

  4. edpell3 says:

    I think it is a bit presumptuous for the US to rule all of South America. Maybe just to the oil of Venezuela.

  5. edpell3 says:

    I never wanted to die fighting for foreign nations. I never wanted my children to die fighting for foreign nations. If Trump has true;y destroyed America paying for and dying for foreigners he will have been a great president.

  6. Richard Dale Patton says:

    I see that we no longer worry about Iran getting a nuclear warhead and being able to blow up New York. Not everything is about energy.

  7. davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

    really good article.

    “One chart showing data through the end of 2023 indicates that the Middle East is home to 4,863 desalination plants, or about 42% of the world’s total. This region is acutely stressed for fresh water.”

    Figure 5 the ME population doubling to 300 million.

    hopefully this war will end soon with most of those desalination plants intact.

    of course those plants are temporary and FF powered, and that high ME population is temporary also.

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  9. Rodster says:

  10. Mike Snead says:

    For a long time, Gail Tverberg has written from a point of view that seems to cherish disaster for America and the world. This is very clear in this blog posting where she wants to lay blame upon President Trump while calling for declining standards of living, reduced populations, and general energy insecurity-driven hardship as the “winning case” on what to do.

    Achieving energy security has been a dominate theme of human civilization for thousands of years. Nothing new in that sense, so the fundamental focus of this blog on worldwide energy security is nothing new. Yet, civilization has persisted and improved across those thousands of years, an accomplishment that did not arise from a defeatist attitude such as is being touted here.

    I agree that we are in a period of transition but we are also in a period of rapidly advancing technological capabilities that will enable this transition to be “weathered”, emerging with a global permanent energy security based on practicable sources of sustainable energy. It is apparent that Ms. Tverberg does not have any answers in this regard—only more doom and gloom.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “… emerging with a global permanent energy security based on practicable sources of sustainable energy.”

      you obviously have very little understanding of surplus energy, so I suggest you read and study https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/ for a looooooooooooooong time and get yourself up to speed.

      Industrial Civilization requires massive daily flows of surplus energy, and this flow comes almost entirely from FF.

      any “renewable” gadgets are all manufactured every step of the way by the energy within FF, and these gadgets must be replaced as they wear out.

      there is no such thing as enough “sustainable energy” to run IC.

      with the irreversible decline of surplus energy beginning this decade, there MUST be irreversible degrowth of the world economy.

      degrowth is here, IC cannot last, it must end, probably late this century.

      it’s nothing to worry about.

    • you are obviously a maganut…

      with that fact established, may i offer you a little reality? (you are welvome here btw—we need opposing views and flat earthers)

      For 000s of years humankind, as you say used forms of ‘technology’ for advancement, unfortunately almost all of that ‘technology’ relied on the speed of tree growth, with a little iron added here and there whenever possible….

      civilisation was static until then—we did not improve at all, the common man lived in utter squalor…..

      we did not progress beyond this until iron became cheap and plentiful….

      with cheap iron we dug deep oilwells and coalmines…

      with cheap oil and coal, technology could progress….

      and here we touch on the kind of reality that is anathema to maganuts.

      Cheap surplus energy allows you to have sophisticated technology—

      unfortunately this does NOT work in reverse…. no form of technology can deliver cheap energy…..EVER.
      It can deliver MORE energy, yes, but that energy resource is finite….it is not the same thing….

      Do you ever take notice of Donnie’s actions?—every business he’s started has crashed.
      Now he’s taking the world down with him to satisfy he superinflated ego.

      if you care to hang arounf OFW, you might learn to think for yourself, and stop following the herd just because theyve got red hats on……

  11. Mirror on the wall says:

    “The outcome outlined in Figure 1 implies that Donald Trump and the US-Israel coalition will lose the war against Iran. It appears that the physics of the situation (or perhaps the Higher Power behind the physics of the situation) has chosen the flawed personality of Donald Trump to accomplish the required result.”

    Youch!

    “17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
    18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
    21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
    22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:”

    That Pharaoh Trump, that dishonourable pot, hardened, and fitted unto destruction: that physical, dissipative dynamics might be demonstrated through his defeat in the illegal war against Iran.

    “20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?”

    Trump needs to shut his mouth for once in his life: he is no more than a puffed up patsy for the laws of physics.

    • reante says:

      Great comment Mirror!

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      hard to say with obviously seenile retardedTrump, but to me it appears probable that he will have the USevilEmpire do some more very severe atttacks within the next couple of weeks.

      after that, hopefully this small regional war will be over.

      for sure retardedTrump will be gone within less than 3 swift years.

      UK and the rest of Europe might possibly get through these years without collapsing.

      IC will continue on with its inevitable irreversible degrowth.

  12. x-soviet says:

    My answer/ramblings to Jr from the previous thread (that was just now frozen by the Owner) re: his question about road vs rail transportation efficiency:

    Interesting, but eventually meaningless question. I remember comparisons from the days of Peak Oil (what, from ~15 years ago or even earlier than that?), showing rail transport being the cheapest by at least 10x (after initial infrastructure investment).
    Look into electrified light rail – efficient public transportation technology that many smaller US cities utilized before late 1950s, when automobile/oil mafia lured Boomer’s parents into “happy motoring” and wasteful suburbian living. Light rail must had been very economic, if almost everybody was running it.
    Soviets heavily relied on fully electrified light rail (“tramways”) in their largest cities (even those with proper Metro/Subway systems), working in parallel with regular trains and having both types of stations near each other for easy connectivity (still widely available and used in Eastern Europe, for example).
    ICE (and even diesel engines – in the absence of diesel fuel) are ridiculously wasteful (what, ~30% efficiency with electronic guidance from overexpensive and soon simply unavailable onboard computers?), individual automobiles upkeep is unbearably uneconomic, and the biggest – those well-paved asphalt roads of the Developed World. Asphalt roads are expensive to maintain and they are readily/easily damaged by lack of regular upkeep, elements (in temperate climate zones) and heavy machinery (military and/or agricultural one). Concrete is out of the question as well, I think – too energy-intense and otherwise expensive to lay.
    Some kind of rails are the future, in worst case – human-powered kind 💪
    Small, well inter-connected tribes (Dunbar?) or blood-related family based “National Socialist” agricultural farms will be coming too – poor (in every possible sense of the word) inhabitants/slaves will be on the notice for the upcoming (or lost) pre-planned harvest and will be summarily taken (by the same railway) to the showers in the case of lost/self-consumed harvest. Remaining kids/babies will be promptly “redistributed” to the nearby, readily rail-connected, but still populated and functioning “family owned farms”. No any long-distance travel in HOV lanes on well-paved highways will be necessary/allowed. There will be no highways – but only (as well as physically possible) kept railways, like those leading to/from Auschwitz-Birkenau free-will agricultural settlement.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      by mid century wherever there remains IC there will be more rail.

      meanwhile, ocean shipping is by far cheapest per mile, so there are probably decades of ocean shipping ahead even as IC proceeds with irreversible degrowth.

    • Yes, thanks for sort of re-opening the topic.

      It was more concerned with the existing regional train services going out of / among / around cities, the usual model is a real train set ( heavier than city tram ) of ~120 passenger capacity and powered by ~600-800kWp diesel.. I was just wondering about the ticket price comparison all around the world before further diesel price volatility spike. And as Re-ante kindly answered, the Oregon (US / PCFNW) pricing for such services is roughly the same, i.e. ten+ bucks per ~100km/55mi.. distance.

      Then I just briefly contrasted the price vs ” HOV ” like ICE car say w. 3-5x people on board, and obviously it’s way cheaper ( at the consumer point / no the whole infrastructure chain ) .. Such arrangement for several people commuting regularly towards same general vector via single car is not uncommon, sharing the petrol expense..

      It depends on the locale, as we know, especially those dense Asian metro areas are way overcrowded on such trains vs. low-ish occupancy in EUR/US .. for the moment. As usually the same area is serviced both by highways / roads as well as trains ( up to this moment).

      In terms of the outlook into the future it depends on the collapse profile / timing, the batt chem for TSLA trucks and similar is already there – rolling then for decades ( not fantasy ), so it could be deployed and avoid a lot of diesel consumption.

  13. Alan Silberman says:

    Very well said Gail. I have been thinking, although not nearly as systematically along the same lines, while also thinking about the serious dislocation and hardship and readjustment that will result from the end of US economic hegemony. It is truly ironic that Trump appears ready to bring about the end of the US’s conventional “greatness” while accidentally contributing toward a possible much healthier and more peaceful global culture of many geographical centers.

  14. Thanks for the new post.

    It might be better for the world, but not for USA and Israel.

    I don’t know too much about Israel to comment on it, but USA will look like Germany in 1919 after Woody Wilson cheated it the victory it had won.

    The loss of Dollar as the reserve currency means Americans cannot enjoy the lower prices possible because of the dollar being the reserve currency.

    Americans will have to adapt the lifestyle of the Europeans.

    As of now, the price of gasoline in London is about 172 pences/liter. For ease of calculation I will say a gallon is 4 liters; that is about $9/gallon.

    At Paris it is 2.04 euro/liter, or about $10/gallon. Frankfurt, and other European capitals, should be similar.

    At USA, in general, it is $4.08/gallon.

    Go figure.

    Plus, the loss of prestige and power will make US outfits, many of them multinational and can ditch USA any time , to have a harder time doing business.

    Any horror in USA will quickly spread into at least Canada and Mexico, destabilizing these countries as well.

    Given the stranglehold of USA on the world, it might not be as great as some people might imagine.

    • x-soviet says:

      Can you compare average/routine driving distances in USA and London or Paris?

      Not to pollute the board (as MG frequently does with his irrelevant and incoherent Rromanian nonsense), in another recent post of yours here your seem to claim for Soviets took and occupied Helsinki during the Winter War – I believe that statement to be completely false. Any comments? Thanks for your regular posts – I read and follow them attentively, almost as much as I read and absorb the original posts by the Blog Owner here.

    • Momentarily US will either blend into ( then if not feasible just sell int. ) that newly ” acquired – liberated ” VEZ oils..

      In terms of US gas prices, yes for their liking NOT nice price at all, BUT given cont. hybridizing fleet and less diesel among %personal carz – it’s still bearable..

  15. Retired Librarian says:

    Your title is brave!

    • In reality USA will look like Russia during the Revolution

      The commies did take control of Petrograd and Moscow, the two major cities, rather quickly and since a large proportion of Russian population and industry were there it was much favorable for them to win against the Whites who were disorganized and did not hold large population centers.

      That is not possible in USA. The so-called MAGA regions control the industry, and the major cities are too diverse and too divided. Somewhat like the Finnish civil war when the reds controlled the capital Helsinki and the second city Viipuri (which was taken by Soviets after WW2) but the whites controlled the rest.

      Different states will go their own way, Texas will declare independence again, and so forth.

    • I first wrote my thoughts, in a fairly disorganized form, down in a draft post, which I called, “A Different View of the Iran war.”

      I gave the rough draft to Claude AI, along with some prior posts of mine.

      I asked if Claude had an idea for a better title.

      It came up with a list of 9 titles. I chose this one. Perhaps it is too brave, but it can be difficult to get attention. I look at my old posts, and the titles seem pretty much like one another.

      After I chose this title, Claude had ideas of what did or did not belong in the introduction. It came up with the first sentence in the introduction, as well.

      So, with Claude’s help, I started moving things around. It asked questions I hadn’t thought about? For example, why didn’t I give equal weight to oil and LNG. I decided maybe I needed to explain a bit about that. It suggested I not spend too much space on LNG, if it was much smaller.

      Claude also had ideas regarding which of my thoughts belonged in the conclusion.

      I ended up moving text and exhibits around. It corrected my errors in numbering in the text.

      So Claude didn’t write any of this. I mostly suggested ways to better organize what I wrote. It seemed not to care too much if my language was sort of colloquial, and there were places where what I said didn’t quite make sense.

      Real life editors helped a great deal, after Claude was done with its part.

  16. Zerohedge is reporting
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/moscow-asks-us-ceasefire-bushehr-nuclear-plant-get-remaining-russian-staff-out

    Russia is seeking approval from the US and Israel for a ceasefire for the Bushehr nuclear ⁠power plant in Iran, RIA news agency reported Thursday. Airstrikes across the country have reportedly been on the uptick in the past some 48 hours.

    Well over 500 Russian personnel were at the site prior to the US launching Operation Epic Fury, and the Bushehr complex has been hit at least three times by airstrikes, putting the complex and area at severe risk.

    If a nuclear power plant in Iran is in bad shape, it would seem like that would put Israel’s nuclear infrastructure more at risk.

    • Rodster says:

      The Chinese are also getting involved trying to broker a peace deal. The underlying problem for the US is that China is trying to become the influential superpower taking over the reins from the US. The US politicians don’t have a clue that once China becomes the influential peace broker the World will turn to China and the US empire will become irrelevant as time goes on.

      The world will move away form a Unipolar world dominated by the US and enter a new world order that will include multiple nations doing business with one another.

      As a result the US empire will collapse and fragment because the empire gets its funding from the $USD. Xi Jinping earlier this year said he wants to replace the US dollar with the Renminbi as the world’s reserve currency.

    • reante says:

      The spent fuel pool is in the auxiliary building. Dry cask storage is also onsite. It’s a set-up.

      • I guess this is the standard procedure in most of the world’s civil-ian NPP sites. Basically, the freshly taken out spent fuel is stored next to the power plant in such a dedicated bldg. to cool it down a bit, only then in few yrs time it is moved to more temporary warehouse.. Apart from radioactive incident it’s likely connected to the basic physical mechanics of it as the bit cooled down pellets are then way easier / safer to be stored and hauled away vs. the ” swollen up ” fresh out of the reactor chamber..

    • Gail, thanks for the new article.

      In terms of Bushehr the extent of damage is not clear, but most certainly it was pretty minimal and non-systemic ( threatening ) chiefly on the outskirts – otherwise the msm would pick it up. Apparently that industrial – complex is a vast gigantic areal – so that doesn’t mean the npp itself is in bad shape at all.. Obviously, the risk and danger into the future are real hence the effort to move RU-staffers out as soon as possible..

      • reante says:

        The nasty stuff is no doubt perfectly fine… for now. But my money is on it popping off before the Russians get out. Because it’s a set-up.

  17. Rich Vasquez says:

    Interesting price/supply discussion. However your conclusion that life will be better if the US loses the war is unsupported by your expertise, or your asserted logic chain. It also fails to recognize the benefit of stabilizing the region by eliminating nuclear capabilities. Equally important, the suggestion that we need higher oil prices (a tax on everyone not invested in oil profits), instead of eliminating this diversion of assets, in unpersuasive. Unfortunately this looks like an academic attempt to tell the world it’s better off without Trump, which is contradicted by the many peace deals, and the ideal of a nuclear free world docussed on building economies instead of diverting money to war and oil profits.

  18. raviuppal4 says:

    There’s a lot of confusion out there, including with Trump, that the US has lots of oil to sell to the world.

    We do not. We’re a net importer of crude (~+3 Mb/d). The EIA reports that fact in great detail every week.

    The confusion stems from using the term “petroleum exports” which includes the bodacious amounts of natural gas liquids (NGL) that come from our wet gas plays. That stuff isn’t “oil” and it is exported because it’s wildly overproduced compared to our needs.

    Yes, the US is a net exporter of “petroleum,” but it’s also a net IMPORTER of crude oil. In other words, the US has none to sell.

    There’s more complexity to why we export 3M b/d of crude (it’s the wrong kind for our refineries) and also import 6.4 M b/d of crude (which is the right kind).

    https://x.com/chrismartenson/status/2039523704061772239/photo/1

    • Good points!

      By the way, I think I cut off comments on my previous post, to reduce confusion.

      • reante says:

        hey x-, here’s another Inverted Perestroika echo of the original Perestroika. Gabbard topped out at Lieutenant Colonel. Putin topped out at Lieutenant Colonel. Gabbard ‘skipped steps’ all the way up to DNI. Putin ‘skipped steps’ all the way up to becoming the head of the FSB. The rest is history.

        My take is that Bondi was just fired because The Trump admin has caught wind of a faction on the move that’s centered around the DNI office and Bondi got thrown under the bus because she over saw the Trump-related Epstein files suppression. Last week I perused the available photo and video evidence of the last Cabinet meeting and did not see Gabbard present. AI could not confirm nor deny. Perhaps that tipped off the administration, who knows. It also just came out in in the MSM today that Trump has been polling staffers on whether to fire Gabbard….

        If there is going to be a coup then the wheels must be turning already because time-wise I feel like we must be more than halfway through the Big Nuclear Scare by now.

        • x-soviet says:

          Appreciate your analogies/references. I’m not political and do not follow politics, but if TG and those pulling her strings can rebuild/reorganize the local NA economy (I do not count MX and CA as separate entities for convenience…) for (much) better efficiency and sustainability (in a good, not the crazy-ecohead sense), then I’m all for it. Never trusted Bondi, but she seemed to me like doing devoted, dedicated job suppressing what she was told to supress…
          I also hope, that/if your predictions are true, that this epochal political transition (here in the USA) will be as smooth and bloodless, as that one of Yeltsin->Putin back in 1999/2000.

        • Well, that’s shocking analogy there Re-ante, I’ve not looked at that before.. interesting.

          But you also have to consider the prequel for these comparative histories, if I recall it correctly, Vlad was for yrs dispatched-stationed inside DDR (1980s) and was before-then trained as focused specialist on the German realm agenda.. Also, there was that important influence of the various proto – oligarchs of the early post Soviet mid 1990s which supported the anti Yeltsin coup ( for $angle ). And as we learned later several rounds of fights between various oligarchic networks / clans took place there – while the FSB nationalist angle kept strengthening bit by bit and then at some point took over govs ~completely (mid early 2000s ?)..

          While I don’t see similar longer path dependency with Tulsi – but perhaps it doesn’t matter for the US setting that much.. as the whole process could be understandably way different in steps and players involved .. and also delayed in timing ( next moves ahead ) ..

    • runawaywise3f07697399 says:

      Thanks Ravi.

  19. raviuppal4 says:

    It is a battle between — bits & bytes vs atoms and molecules . So far the atoms and molecules are winning .

  20. raviuppal4 says:

    DATED BRENT OIL PRICE SOARS TO $141 A BARREL, HIGHEST SINCE 2008 .
    https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/2039745455139999799

    Please read the comments section to understand what dated Brent means .

    • marco says:

      Time Is short. We are super fucked

    • According to Grok,


      Dated Brent is the benchmark price for physical (spot) cargoes of North Sea crude oil—mainly Brent, Forties, Oseberg, Ekofisk, and Troll blends.

      Unlike futures, it’s for oil with an assigned loading date (usually 10-25 days ahead), making it the key reference for real-world trading and global oil pricing.

    • reante says:

      Dated Brent is the price of an oil contract with a tanker and a near-term shipping date attached to it. The claim on the oil can still be bought and sold up until it becomes impractical to do so. Obviously dated Brent is getting bid up today because businesses with deep pockets see TEOTWAWKI following Trump’s catastrophic speech that unofficially represents the point of no return. Ditto WTI. Looking forward to seeing WTI test my $125 for 72hrs call. That’s three business days! Not feeling terribly confident lol.

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