Collapse is a frightening subject. The question of why collapse occurs is something I have pieced together over many years of study from a number of different sources, which I will attempt to explain in this post.
Collapse doesn’t happen instantaneously; it happens many years after an economy first begins outgrowing its resource base. In fact, the resource base likely declines at the same time from multiple causes, such as soil erosion, deforestation and oil depletion. Before collapse occurs, there seem to be warning signs, including:
- Too much wage disparity
- Riots and protests by people unhappy with low wages
- Prices of commodities that are too low for producers that need to recover their costs of production and governments that require tax revenue to fund programs for their citizens
- An overstretched financial system; conditions ripe for debt defaults
- Susceptibility to epidemics
Many people have the misimpression that our most important problem will be “running out” of oil. Because of this, they believe that oil prices will rise high if the system is reaching its limits. Since oil prices are not very high, they assume that the problem is far away. Once a person understands what the real issue is, it is (unfortunately) relatively easy to see that the current economy seems to be quite close to collapse.
In this post, I provide images from a recent presentation I gave, together with some comments. A video of the presentation is available on the Uncomfortable Knowledge Hub, here. A PDF of the presentation can be downloaded here:
In some ways, a self-organizing system is analogous to a dome that might be built with a child’s toy building set (Slide 4). New layers of businesses and consumers are always being added, as are new regulations, more or less on top of the prior structure. At the same time, old consumers are dying off and products that are no longer needed are being discontinued. This happens without central direction from anyone. Entrepreneurs see the need for new products and try to satisfy them. Consumers decide on what to buy, based upon what their spendable income is and what their needs are.
Resources of many kinds are needed for an economy. Harnessing energy of many types is especially important. Early economies burned biomass and used the labor of animals. In recent years, we have added other types of energy, such as fossil fuels and electricity, to supplement our own human energy. Without supplemental energy of various kinds, we would be very limited in the kinds of goods and services that could be produced. Our farming would be limited to digging in the ground with a stick, for example.
The fact that there is almost an equivalence between employees and consumers is very important. If the wages of consumers are high, relative to the prices of the goods and services available, then consumers are able to buy many of those goods and services. As a result, citizens tend to be happy. But if there are too many low paid workers, or people without work at all, consumers are likely to be unhappy because they cannot afford the basic necessities of life.
The problem civilizations are facing is a two-sided problem: (1) Growing population and (2) Resources that often degrade or deplete. As a result, the amount of resources per person falls. If this were carried to the limit, all of us would starve.
As resources deplete and population grows, local leaders can see that problems are on the horizon. At first, adding technology, such as a new dam to provide water to make farms more productive, helps. As more and more technology and other complexity is added, there is less and less “bang for the buck.” We can easily see this in the healthcare field. Early antibiotics had a very big payback; recent medical innovations that help a group of 500 or 1000 people with a particular rare disease can be expected to have a much smaller payback.
A second issue with added complexity is that it increasingly leads to a society of the very wealthy plus many very low paid workers. Joseph Tainter identified the combination of these two issues as leading to collapse in his book, The Collapse of Complex Societies.
Françios Roddier is an astrophysicist who writes primarily in French. His book Thermodynamique de l’évolution was published in 2012; it is now available in English as well.
The issue of starving people in Yemen is an issue today. In fact, hunger is an increasing problem in poor countries around the world. The world tourism industry is dead; the industry of making fancy clothing for people in rich countries is greatly reduced. People who formerly made a living in these industries in poor countries increasingly find it difficult to earn an adequate living with other available jobs. Rich countries tend to have better safety nets when there are widespread reductions in job-availability.
Businesses often make long lasting goods such as machines to be used in factories or automobiles to be used by consumers. Governments often make long-lasting goods such as paved roads and school buildings. When making these goods, they take some combination of commodities, built machinery, and human labor to make goods and services that people will use for many years into the future. The future value of these goods is hoped to be significantly greater than the value of the inputs used to create these goods and services.
There are at least three reasons that time-shifting devices are needed:
- Workers need to be paid as these goods are made.
- Businesses need to build factories in advance.
- Businesses, governments and individuals are all likely to find the future payments more manageable, even with interest added, than they are as a single payment upfront.
I don’t mention the issue in Slide 9, but once time-shifting devices are created, they become very easy to manipulate. For example, no one knows precisely what the future value of a particular investment will be. Governments, especially, are prone to make investments in unneeded infrastructure, simply to provide jobs for people. We also know that there are diminishing returns to added technology, but stocks of technology companies tend to be valued as if complexity will save the world. Third, interest rate manipulations (lower!) and the offering of debt to those who seem unlikely to be able ever to repay the debt can be used to make the economy of a country appear to be in better shape than it really is. Many of us remember the collapse of the US subprime housing debt bubble in 2008.
The purpose of a financial system is to allocate goods and services. High wages allocate a larger share of the output of an economy to a particular person than low wages. Appreciation in asset values (such as prices of shares of stock, or value of a home or piece of land) also act to increase the share of the goods and services produced by the economy to an individual. Payment of interest, dividends and rents are other ways of allocating goods and services that the economy makes. Governments can print money, but they cannot print goods and services!
As the economy gets more complex, the non-elite workers increasingly get left out of the distribution of goods and services. For one thing (not mentioned on Slide 10), as the economy becomes more complex, an increasing share of the goods and services produced by the economy need to go into making all of the intermediate goods that make that industrial economy work. Intermediate goods would include factories, semi-trucks, hydroelectric dams, oil pipelines and other goods and services that don’t directly benefit an individual consumer. They are needed to make the overall system work.
As the economy gets bigger and more complex, the non-elite workers increasingly find themselves left out. Besides losing an increasing part of the output of the intermediate goods and services mentioned in the prior paragraph, there are other pieces that take slices of the total output of goods and services:
- High paid workers take their quite-large slices of the total output. These individuals tend to be the ones who get the benefit of asset appreciation, as well.
- Pension programs and other programs to help the elderly and unemployed take a cut.
- Health insurance costs, in the US at least, tend to be very high, relative to wages, for lower-paid workers.
- The work of some employees can be replaced by low-paid overseas employees or by robots. If they are to keep their jobs, their wages need to be suitably low to compete.
With all of these issues, the workers at the bottom of the employment hierarchy increasingly get left out of the distribution of goods and services made by the economy.
We know some of the kinds of things that happen when economies are close to collapse from the writings of researchers such as Peter Turchin, lead author of Secular Cycles, and Joseph Tainter, mentioned earlier. One approach is for governments to try to work around the resource problem by starting wars with other economies whose resources they might gain. Probably a more likely outcome is that these low-resource-per-capita economies become vulnerable to attack by other economies because of their weakened condition. In any event, more conflict is likely as resource limits hit.
If the low incomes of non-elite workers persist, many bad outcomes can be expected. Local riots can be expected as citizens protest their low wages or pensions. Governments are likely to find that they cannot collect enough taxes. Governments will also find that they must cut back on programs, or (in today’s world) their currencies will sink relative to currencies of other countries. Intergovernmental organizations may fail for lack of funding, or governments may be overthrown by unhappy citizens.
Debt defaults can be expected. Governments have a long history of defaulting on their debts when conditions were bad according to Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff in This Time Is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly.
It becomes very easy for epidemics to take hold because of the poor eating habits and the close living quarters of non-elite workers.
With respect to inflation-adjusted commodity prices, it is logical that they would stay low because a large share of the population would be impoverished and thus not able to afford very many of these commodities. A person would expect gluts of commodities, as occurred during the Great Depression in the 1930s in the United States because many farmers and farm-hands had been displaced by modern farming equipment. We also find that the book of Revelation from the Bible seems to indicate that low prices and lack of demand were problems at the time of the collapse of ancient Babylon (Revelation 18:11-13).
Much of what peak oil theory misunderstands is what our society as a whole misunderstands. Most people seem to believe that our economy will grow endlessly unless we somehow act to slow it down or stop it. They cannot imagine that the economy comes with built-in brakes, provided by the laws of physics.
Armed with a belief in endless growth, economists assume that the economy can expand year after year at close to the same rate. Modelers of all kinds, including climate modelers, miss the natural feedback loops that lead to the end of fossil fuel extraction without any attempt on our part to stop its extraction. A major part of the problem is that added complexity leads to too much wage and wealth disparity. Eventually, the low wages of many of the workers filter through to oil and other energy prices, making prices too low for producers.
Collapse isn’t instantaneous, as we will see on Slide 26. As resources per capita fall too low, there are several ways to keep problems hidden. More debt at lower interest rates can be added. New financial techniques can be developed to hide problems. Increased globalization can be used. Corners can be cut on electricity transmission, installation and maintenance, and in the building of new electricity generating structures. It is only when the economy hits a bump in the road (such as a climate-related event) that there suddenly is a major problem: Electricity production fails, or not enough food is produced. In fact, California, Florida, and China have all encountered the need for rolling blackouts with respect to electricity in the past year; China is now encountering difficulty with inadequate food supply, as well.
Economists have played a major role in hiding problems with energy with their models that seem to show that prices can be expected to rise if there is a shortage of oil or other energy. Their models miss the point that adequate supplemental energy is just as important for demand as it is for supply of finished goods and services. The reason energy is important for demand is because demand depends on the wages of workers, and the wages of workers in turn depend on the productivity of those workers. The use of energy supplies to allow workers to operate tools of many kinds (such as computers, trucks, electric lights, ovens, and agricultural equipment) greatly influences the productivity of those workers.
A person who believes energy prices can rise endlessly is likely to believe that recycling can increase without limit because of ever-rising prices. Such a person is also likely to believe that the substitution of intermittent renewables for fossil fuels will work because high prices for scarce electricity will enable an approach that is inherently high-cost, if any continuity of supply is required.
Thus, the confusion isn’t so much that of peak oilers. Instead, the confusion is that of economists and scientists building models based on past history. These models miss the turning points that occur as limits approach. They assume that future patterns will replicate past patterns, but this is not what happens in a finite world. If we lived in a world without limits, their models would be correct. This confusion is very much built into today’s thinking.
In fact, we are living in an economic system/ecosystem that has brakes to it. These brakes are being applied now, even though 99%+ of the population isn’t aware of the problem. The system will protect itself, quite possibly using the approach of evicting most humans.
The opinions expressed in Slide 13 reflect some of the views I have heard expressed speaking with peak oilers and with people looking into issues from a biophysical economics perspective. Obviously, views differ from person to person.
Many people believe that resources in the ground provide a good estimate of the quantity of fossil fuels that can be extracted in the future. Peak oilers tend to believe that the available resources will need to have sufficiently high “Energy Returned on Energy Invested” (EROEI) ratios to make extraction feasible. Politicians and climate modelers tend to believe that prices can rise endlessly, so low EROEI is no obstacle. They seem to believe that anything that we have the technical skill to extract, even coal under the North Sea, can be extracted.
If a person believes the high estimates of fossil fuel resources that seem to be available and misses the point that the economy has built-in brakes, climate change becomes the issue of major concern.
My view is that most of the resources that seem to be available will be left in the ground because of low prices and problems associated with collapse, such as failing governments and broken supply lines. In any event, we do not really have the ability to fix the climate; the laws of physics will provide their own adjustment. We will simply need to live with whatever climate is provided. Humans lived through ice-ages in the past. Presumably, whatever humans remain after what seems to be an upcoming bottleneck will be able to live in suitable areas of the world in the future.
On Slide 14, note that today’s industrial economy must necessarily come to an end, just as the lives of hurricanes and of people come to an end.
Also note that with diminishing returns, the cost of producing many of the things listed on Slide 14 is rising. For example, with rising population, dry areas of the world eventually need to use desalination to get enough fresh water for their growing populations. Desalination is expensive. Even if the necessary workaround is simply deeper wells, this still adds costs.
With diminishing returns affecting many parts of the economy simultaneously, it becomes increasingly difficult for efforts in the direction of efficiency to lead to costs that are truly lower on an inflation-adjusted basis. Advanced education and health care in particular tend to have an ever-rising inflation-adjusted costs of production. Some minerals do as well, as the quality of ores depletes.
An important issue to note is that wages need to cover all the rising costs, even the rising cost of health care. The paychecks of many people, especially those without advanced education, fall too low to meet all of their needs.
Slides 16 and 17 describe some of the reasons why oil prices don’t necessarily rise with scarcity.
I was one of the co-authors of the Ke Wang paper mentioned in Slide 18. We developed three different forecasts of how much oil would be extracted in China, depending on how high oil prices would be able to rise. The Red Line is the “Stays Low” Scenario, with prices close to $50 per barrel. The Yellow Line is the “Ever-Rising Prices” Scenario. The Best Estimate reflects the expectation that prices would be in roughly the $100 to $120 barrel range, from 2015 onward.
In fact, oil prices have stayed fairly low, and China’s oil production has declined, as our paper predicted.
Note that the chart on Slide 21 shows wage disparity only in the US. On this basis, the share of wages going to the top 1% and top 0.1% are back at the levels that they were in the 1920s. Now, our economy is much more global. If we consider all of the low income people in the world, the worldwide wage disparity is much greater.
There are two things to note on Slide 22. The first is that producers, in inflation-adjusted terms, seem to need very high prices, approximately $120 per barrel or more. This is based on a presentation made by Steve Kopits, which I wrote up here: Beginning of the End? Oil Companies Cut Back on Spending.
The other thing to note is that oil prices tend to bounce around a great deal. Prices seem to depend on the amount of debt and on interest rates, as well as the wages of workers. The peak in oil prices in mid-2008 came precisely at the time the debt bubble broke with respect to mortgage and credit card debt in the US. I wrote about this in an article in the journal Energy called, Oil Supply Limits and the Continuing Financial Crisis.
The US instituted Quantitative Easing (QE) at the end of 2008. QE acted to lower interest rates. With the help of QE, the price of oil gradually rose again. When the US discontinued QE in late 2014, oil prices fell. Recently, there has been a great deal of QE done, as well as direct spending by governments, but oil prices are still far below the $120 per barrel level. Middle Eastern oil producers especially need high oil prices, in order to collect the high tax revenue that they depend upon to provide programs for their citizens.
Coal prices (Slide 23) tend to follow somewhat the same pattern as oil prices (Slide 22). There is very much the same balancing act with coal prices as well: Coal prices need to be high enough for producers, but not too high for customers to buy products made with coal, such as electricity and steel.
China tries to keep its coal prices relatively high in order to encourage production within the country. China has been limiting imports to try to keep prices high. The relatively high coal prices of China make it an attractive destination for coal exporters. There are now a large number of boats waiting outside China hoping to sell coal to China at an attractive price.
The blue line on Figure 24 represents total energy consumption up through 2020. The red dotted line is a rough guesstimate of how energy consumption might fall. This decline could happen if people wanting energy consumption coming only from renewables were able to succeed by 2050 (except I am doubtful that these renewable energy types would really be of much use by themselves).
Alternatively, this might also be the decline that our self-organizing economy takes us on. We are already seeing a decrease in energy consumption related to the current pandemic. I think governmental reactions to the pandemic were prompted, in part, by the very stretched condition of our oil and other energy supplies. Countries were experiencing riots over low wages. They also could not afford to import as much oil as they were importing. Shutdowns in response to COVID-19 cases seemed like a sensible thing to do. They helped restore order and saved on energy imports. Strangely enough, the pandemic may be a part of the collapse that our self-organizing economy is arranging for us.
Slide 25 takes the blue line from Slide 24 and looks at what happened in more detail. On Slide 25, we are looking at the average annual increase in energy consumption, for a given 10 year period. This is split between the rate of population growth (blue), and the energy consumption growth that went into other things, which I equate to change in “standard of living” (red). The big red humps represent very good times, economically. The post-World War II bump is especially high. The valleys are times of disturbing changes, including wars and the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Of course, all of these situations occurred during periods when energy consumption was generally rising. If these unfortunate things happened when oil consumption was rising, what might possibly happen when energy consumption is falling?
We now seem to be hitting the Crisis Stage. In the past, collapse (which takes place in the Crisis Stage) has not been instantaneous; it has taken place over quite a number of years, typically 20 or more. The world economy is quite different now, with its international trade system and heavy use of debt. It would seem likely that a collapse could happen more quickly. A common characteristic of collapses, such as avalanches, is that they often seem to start off fairly slowly. Then, suddenly, a large piece breaks away, and there is a big collapse. Something analogous to this could possibly happen with the economy, too.
One of the major issues with adding intermittent renewables to the electric grid is a pricing problem. Once wind and solar are given subsidies (even the subsidy of “going first”), all of the other types of electricity production seem to need subsidies, as well. It is the pricing systems that are terribly detrimental, although this is not generally noticed. In fact, researchers who are looking only at energy may not even care if the pricing is wrong. Ultimately, the low pricing for electricity can be expected to bring the electric grid down, just as inadequate prices for fossil fuels can be expected to lead to the closure of many fossil fuel producers. Both Texas and California are having difficulty because they have not been collecting enough funds from customers to build resilient systems.
The focus of EROEI research is often with respect to whether the EROEI of a particular type of energy production is “high enough,” relative to some goal, such as 3:1 or 10:1. I believe that there needs to be more focus on the total quantity of net energy produced. If there is an EROEI goal for highly complex energy types, it needs to be much higher than for less complex energy types.
Today, it is common to see the EROEIs of a number of different types of energy displayed side-by-side as if they were comparable. This type of comparison is also made with other energy metrics, such as “Levelized Cost of Electricity” and “Energy Payback Period.” I think this approach makes highly complex types of energy production, such as intermittent wind and solar, look better than they really are. Even intermittent hydroelectric power generation, such as is encountered in places with rainy seasons and dry seasons and in places that are subject to frequent droughts, is not really comparable to electricity supply that can be provided year-around by fossil fuel providers, if adequate storage is available.
Earlier in this post, I documented a number of reasons why we should expect low rather than high energy prices in the future. I am reiterating the point here because it is a point energy researchers need especially to be aware of. Production is likely to come to an end because it is unprofitable.
One characteristic of human-made complexity is that it has very little redundancy. If something goes wrong in one part of one system, it is likely to ripple through that system, as well as other systems to which the first system is connected. An outage of oil is likely to indirectly affect electricity because oil is needed to fix problems with electricity transmission lines. An electricity outage may cause disruption in oil drilling and refining, and even in filling up automobiles at service stations. An international trade disruption can break supply lines and leave shipping containers at the wrong end of the globe.
We know that collapse tends to lead to less complex systems. We should expect fewer jobs requiring advanced education. We should expect to start losing battles against infectious diseases. We should expect a reduction in international trade; in the future, it may primarily take place among a few trusted partners. Some intergovernmental organizations are likely to disappear. Peak oil cannot happen by itself; it can only happen with disruptions and shrinkage in many other parts of the economy, as well.
The climate is indeed changing. Unfortunately, we humans have little ability to change what is happening, especially at this late date. Arguably, some changes could have been made much earlier, for example in the 1970s when the modeling included in the 1972 book The Limits to Growth by Donnela Meadows and others showed that the world economy was likely to hit limits before 2050.
It is clear to many people that the world economy is now struggling. There is too much debt; young people are having trouble finding jobs that pay well enough; people in poor countries are increasingly more food insecure. Leaders everywhere would like solutions. The “easy” solution to offer is that intermittent wind and solar will solve all our problems, including climate change. The closer a person looks at the situation, the more the solution seems like nonsense. Wind and solar work passably well at small concentrations within electric systems, if it is possible to work around their pricing problems. But they don’t scale up well. Energy researchers especially should be aware of these difficulties.
The book Rare Earth: Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe by Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee points out that there have been an amazing number of what seem to be coincidences that have allowed life on Earth to flourish for four billion years. Perhaps these coincidences will continue. Perhaps there is an underlying plan that we are not aware of.
Are bankers wrong this time? Is Thursday’s spike in bond yields a nervous anomaly, or the beginning of something much bigger? The big banks have been on the long side of the bond trade, with small investors (the dumb money) on the short side. Thursday, yields spiked abnormally, favoring the dumb money for a change. But could this be one of the rare cases where the little guys get it right (albeit probably for the wrong reasons), while the big banks are getting caught on the wrong side of financial history? Time will tell, but here is one theory about how the banksters could lose this time–and all of America will lose with them if the theory is right, and it begins with the mysterious rise in value of the British pound sterling in months gone by, which leads to an exploration of secretive manipulations of global currency markets by Communist China, with a strategic objective which, if achieved, will be catastrophic to the US economy and to it’s global power and influence in the near future. Here’s the money shot, near the end of the story:
But this would also mean that playing out alongside the connected UK vaccination campaign and the improving BoE outlook is almost certainly the story of an FX reserve diversification away from the U.S. Dollar.
This means, among other things, that it may not be coincidence that with the rally in Sterling aside the top story in all things financial of late has been the ongoing sell-off in the U.S. bond market and associated surge in yields. Some have worried about the impact rising yields could have on global stock markets.
“I believe the dollar is on the cusp of losing its exorbitant privilege as the world’s foremost reserve currency.” Savouri says. “Without the need to keep the yuan artificially weak against the US dollar, Beijing will no longer need to accumulate and hold dollar paper. The consequence is chillingly simple enough to foresee; a rout in the Treasury market. Whilst this will have unwelcome consequences to parts of the world holding Treasury’s, the most dramatic impact will be felt within a United States where, for the first time in a very long time, the Federal Government will have to live within its own fiscal means, rather than rely on being handed the world’s wealth to save.”
Full story (and a little bit technical if you are not familiar with the foreign exchange markets):
https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-live-today/15061-the-untold-story-of-pound-sterling-s-steamrolling-2021-rally
A very disturbing graph:
https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/images/graphs/February-24-2021-Toscafund-Asset-Management-USD-CNH-Trade-Weighted-Indices.png
It seems like Biden’s request for a $1.9 billion stimulus package (and likely many more similar requests to follow) is part of what is causing the readjustment. Borrowing a huge amount of money should send US interest rates up and its relativity to other currencies down.
Of course, the fact that the US has been able to buy far more than it sells abroad for many years as the world’s reserve currency has allowed Americans to have a higher standard of living than they deserve. At some point this has to come to an end. I hadn’t thought about the UK pound being a beneficiary.
If US oil drilling is not doing as well as in the past, this could be contributing to its problems. The big Texas electricity outage couldn’t be helping anything either.
When the UK was having its Brexit worries, I took a small position against the pound based on the political uncertainty. Month after month my drawdown went deeper as the pound continued to rise against the dollar for reasons I could not fathom and that no one else seemed to have a good explanation for. I finally had to cut my loss and sell. Now it makes some sense. The PBOC has to bid the euro up slowly because the EU will not tolerate rapid appreciation, but the UK is nonchalant or even positive about seeing the pound rise sharply. If the pound rises against the dollar a lot more than the euro does, it will be easier for the euro to also get bid up in its wake, perhaps through a currency arbitrage process.
If we ever have to pay for our imports by selling exports like other countries, that will be tough, because we just don’t make as much stuff any more, and consumers and firms will both have to pay a lot more for our imports as well. Further, OPEC might decide to revalue its oil in terms of a different currency. That would be the end of the Petrodollar.
US fracking industry: they are hesitant to expand because they know that the politicians currently in power are influenced by activists who are very hostile to fracking. Biden promised his followers he would ban fracking during the campaign. Later, he backtracked under pressure from Trump, but it would be risky to totally throw his base under the bus on this issue.
Nehemiah said:
“Biden promised his followers he would ban fracking during the campaign. Later, he backtracked under pressure from Trump, but it would be risky to totally throw his base under the bus on this issue.”
You are sorely misinformed about american politics. Biden is a typical neoliberal politician (like most Ds and Rs) and will betray everything he said during his campaign. The only question is what do the billionaires want? I think fracking is still useful so they will continue it but the production will drop anyway.
As for his “base”, they will forget everything the next time a made up scandal is screamed about on TV (racism! sexism! terrorism!)
Plus you forget that the oligarchs control the voting machines, why would they care what the masses think?
Ignored by Media: Joe Biden Is Completely LOST in Texas Even with Handler Nearby
https://rumble.com/ve7cjz-ignored-by-media-joe-biden-is-completely-lost-in-texas-even-with-handler-ne.html
Wow…. that is a must watch.
Greatest Country in the World
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvQj-cOXUAYng1g?format=jpg&name=900×900
Hot off the Press: Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla admits Israel is the ‘world’s lab.’ ]
When CEO Bourla was asked by NBC whether one could infect others after receiving two doses of the vaccine, Bourla admitted:
“It is something that needs to be confirmed, and the real-world data that we are getting from Israel and other studies will help us understand this better.”
If CEO Bourla isn’t sure whether his ‘vaccine’ prevents the spreading of the disease, why is he selling it around the world? Why should any government allow this substance being used until all necessary precautions have been taken? Furthermore, in the light of the emerging concern that the vaccinated can spread the disease (which CEO Bourla doesn’t deny), what is the meaning of the ‘green passport’? I guess that such a document could be easily replaced by a ‘gullible certificate’ awarded to those who were foolish enough to turn themselves in.
https://gilad.online/writings/2021/2/27/hot-off-the-press-pfizer-ceo-albert-bourla-admits-israel-is-the-worlds-labnbsp
Interestin! Robert Firth, down below on this thread, indicates that he thinks the Pfizer vaccines may be the cause of mutations we are getting. If the RNA has a chance to mutate, after if warms up but before it is given to a person, it may create a new variety of the virus, as I understand the situation. This may be playing a role in the bad results in the countries using the mRNA vaccines.
It may be possible, although I need to hear the details, since it was my understanding that all vaccines are based on using genetic material that already exists in the virus itself. Do the new vaccines no longer follow that principle? Not that I know of, so I don’t understand how they could produce mutants. However, we do know that mutants were popping up now and then even before we had a vaccine. Yes, the genomes of the mutants have been sequenced, so this is not just theoretical.
How were they sequenced?
In silico?
Not Pfizer vaccine, the Astrazeneca. It was used in UK, South Africa & Brazil. Exactly where mutations were observed.
Oh darlings, all you need now is a planet with infinite resources and then growth can go on forever. It just ain’t fair! But will CCP pip USA to the finishing post?
It seems fairly clear that no economic state is taking the limits to growth seriously – or if they are then they have concluded that the best policy is BAU for as long as possible. It may be that no state sees slow decline or managed step downs as a realistic possibility – after all, capitalism is a profit(, debt) and growth based economic system – ‘no growth, no profits – no capitalism’ as I always say. I suppose that they can always just print money – until they can’t. If c 19 was intended as a managed step down then CCP was not informed. CCP seeks a ‘performance based’ rather than just an ideological ‘legitimacy’ and ‘development’ is its key objective – so step downs are not really on the agenda.
> China’s parliament readies road map to overtake US economy
New five- and 15-year plans to bolster defenses against foreign sanctions
When China convenes the most important event on its political calendar, the annual National People’s Congress, on March 5, it will approve a long-term plan spanning 15 years. By the end of that road map, in 2035, China sees itself replacing the U.S. as the world’s largest economy.
The two-week session of the NPC and the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, an advisory body, comes a little over a month after the inauguration of U.S. President Joe Biden. With the new American administration aiming to align allies and partners to form a united front to face a “strategic competition” with China, the NPC will come under extreme scrutiny as a window into Beijing’s policies over the next five years and beyond.
Among the goals of the new five-year plan are to expand the middle class, which already counts 400 million, and to become a high-income country. That economy will rely less on external demand and be supported by domestic consumption. China also wants to hone its technological prowess so as to build supply chains immune to external sanctions — a response to the U.S. enlisting partners in the growing Sino-American economic and technological rivalry.
China was the only major economy to grow in 2020, having largely brought COVID-19 under control ahead of the U.S. and others. Chinese real gross domestic product is expected to climb around 8% in 2021. It is “completely possible” for China to double its GDP or per-capita income by 2035, Xi had said in November.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/US-China-tensions/China-s-parliament-readies-road-map-to-overtake-US-economy
We don’t know how much of China’s growth in 2020 was really pseudo-growth. China reports that the economy grew by 2.3%, but retail sales contracted by 3.9% for the year. We also know that the highest year for private passenger automobile sales in China was 2017. Sales declined in 2018, 2019, and 2020. There seems to be a great deal more unemployment now among migrant workers.
China is known for sponsoring projects that are really not needed. For example:
–Building coal fired power plants and coal mines very far from markets. Then, either there are not sufficient transmission lines to take the power to where it might be used by industry, or it is too expensive to transport the coal to power plants in industrial areas.
–Building roads where little traffic can reasonably anticipated.
–Building homes that no one can afford to buy.
All of these things get added to GDP, whether the do anything more than temporarily generate jobs.
China has a sane ruling class that cares about China versus the US with an insane ruling class that only cares about its Swiss/Chinese ban accounts.
China is doing well in AI. It needs to build out its semiconductor equipment making sector. Just money and hard work no magic there. By 2030 China can lead the world in semiconductors and AI if it continues to invest strongly and avoid corruption like the Albany New York Nano Tech Center experienced.
The theory doing the rounds is that the USA state is conspiring to get the Taiwan state to declare independence during the Beijing Olympics in July. The aim is to provoke China state, which claims sovereignty over the island, into military intervention, so as to try to isolate China in the global economy from Western economic states and from anyone else who will go along with the scheme. It is intended to be some major weaponised grandstanding. Who knows?
Taiwan’s president, Tsai Ying-wen, is a rather cautious sort, and has avoided purely symbolic changes (e.g. of the flag or anthem). However her VP, William Lai, is an outspoken Taiwan independence supporter.
The USA has evolved a bipartisan position of protecting Taiwan (somewhat) while also discouraging it from undertaking “provocative” acts. This leads me to doubt the rumor you cite.
Although the USA is generally more powerful, the location of the battlefield favors China, so the USA would likely avoid this. Also, a US-China war would seriously harm both counties’ (already reeling) economies, which would in turn threaten their respective governments.
If Taiwan falls, China can threaten Japan and Korea. This would mean the end of the US power in the western Pacific, and a disastrous drop in confidence in US allies elsewhere. In other words, it would be bad. The USA is unlikely to risk all this on some farfetched scheme.
Bei Dawei, I agree. The US is unlikely to provoke a military confrontation over Taiwan, for the simple reason that the US would lose.
In six hours, China could gain complete air superiority over Taiwan; in another six hours, the invasion force could have cut the island into three pieces (groups North and South) and invested Taipei (group Centre).
China can then declare a 50 km exclusion zone around Taiwan, which would make it impossible for foreign sea power to attempt either to relieve the island or to close the Taiwan strait. How fast can an aircraft carrier move? 35 knots perhaps, or 1100 meters per minute. Well, in just one minute a hypersonic missile can fly those entire 50 nm, and there is nothing in the US arsenal that can intercept it. Scratch one flattop.
Taiwan could of course license some 500 IKEA bookshelves (Sweden is “neutral” and all that) instead of mucking around with baroque ‘murican combat furniture and rein uncontested in the living room airspace of president Tsai’s
Full jamming and sensor suites and a few globaleye roaming in the background making targeting the swarm a bit iffy. The commie cronies would not hold a candle against 10 minutes of rearm and refuel on normal roads. It would have been mayhem for the PLA. Cant bombard every 800M of straight road. Taiwan itself is the ultimate flattop.
I imagine that China would really want to take over Taiwan’s advanced manufacturing industries intact. If China tried to invade the Taiwanese forces could easily destroy them. China would probably prefer to wait in the hopes of uniting with Taiwan by political means.
What Olympics?
Quite right, they are a year off.
> Beijing 2022 will host the XXIV Olympic Winter Games, 4-20 Feb.
Capitalism (Marx’s word) just refers to private ownership of the means of production, coupled with very few restrictions on trade, so capitalism without growth is certainly possible. If growth is possible, entrepreneurs will certainly find a way to make it possible, but the end of growth does not have to mean the end of private ownership, lightly regulated exchange, or entrepreneurship.
I am not an economist but I have come across very few people who would agree with what you have just said – for the obvious reason that capitalism is a profit based system and therefore a growth based system. Perhaps we could get a poll of economists on that point.
Capitalism is not just private ownership and trade and AFAIK no one says that it is – so does slavery and feudalism involve private property and trade. It is an economic system that is characterised first and foremost by the predominance of wage labour which is unique to it and by the dependence on the extraction of surplus value in the market place for the functioning of the entire system.
Those are basic uncontroversial points AFAIK. Marx has not really got anything to do with it, no economist would give a definition of capitalism that fails to distinguish it as an economic system from other forms of private property and trade.
“capitalism is a profit based system and therefore a growth based system.”
A non-sequitur. Sure, all capitalists want to make a profit individually, but that does not guarantee growth in the aggregate. There were lots of profitable businesses in the Middle Ages, Antiquity, and the Bronze Age, probably in the Neolithic period too, but economic growth was either non-existent or too slow to measure. Every business must turn a profit or the businessman will starve, just as every farmer must produce crops well in excess of the seeds he plants, yet that does not guarantee growth in the aggregated economy.
“Capitalism is not just private ownership and trade and AFAIK no one says that it is”
I have a surprise for you: open up google and type in the words:
define capitalism
“so does slavery and feudalism involve private property and trade.”
Trade was very limited under feudalism. Feudal manors aspired to a high degree of self sufficiency and minimal use of money. The trade that did exist was highly regulated and mostly very local.
Slaves do not own themselves and cannot offer their services in a free, competitive market, so although it can coexist with capitalism, neither chattel slavery nor serfdom are capitalist institutions. As non-market institutions, they are “out of place.” Marx understood.
“It is an economic system that is characterised first and foremost by the predominance of wage labour which is unique to it”
I challenge the unique part. Wages exist even in Commie states. The difference is that under socialism, in the strict sense of the word, the means of production is owned by the “public,” or in practice the state. But they still pay their workers either wages or salaries, since the alternative is to pay them “in kind,” which would be a throw back to feudalism.
But to be fair, self described “non-market socialists” or “true socialists” have objected to this and insisted that labor should not be paid but simply allowed to walk into the stores whenever they wished and take whatever they wanted. Yes, some of them really believe this would be a workable system! Marxists generally don’t believe in any kind of hard wired human nature.
“and by the dependence on the extraction of surplus value in the market place for the functioning of the entire system.”
Since the late Victorian era,non-Marxist economists have abandoned the medieval labor theory of value for a theory centered around marginal utility.
“Marx has not really got anything to do with it”
Of course he does: Marx invented the word! If not for Marx, we would not be discussing something called “capitalism.”
“no economist would give a definition of capitalism that fails to distinguish it as an economic system from other forms of private property and trade.”
Fair enough, but that is trickier than you may think. It is very difficult to come up with a definition that did not describe common economic behavior thousands of years ago. Private property, wages, capital accumulation, free or minimally regulated trade–you can read about all these things in the Bible. These are all ancient practices.
What really distinguished the high productive capitalism that Marx both admired and objected to was high rates of technical innovation and increasing energy intensity, but Marx completely missed how these two factors distinguished the economies of Modern Europe from all previous ages, and his disciples have not been any more insightful on this point but have just repeated Marx’s understanding of capitalism mindlessly.
And why have haters of private enterprise missed these two critical differences? I think because they intuitively grasp that it seems to point to something about modern Europeans, especially those whose recent ancestors evolved in the regions characterized by manorial feudalism, as being to some degree genetically different. In short, it points to the thesis implicit in, hinted at, yet never explicitly articulated, by Gregory Clark in his book _A Farewell to Alms_.
Economists are social scientists, and they share the biases common to social scientists (with the partial exception of psychologists) that human beings are basically blank slates and potentially interchangeable parts whose evolution ceased tens of millennia ago, or at least stopped at the neck. “Going there” challenges something essential (or perhaps essentialist) to the whole Enlightenment worldview of a rigidly fixed human nature that is shaped, or at least individual differences must (“must!”) be shaped, only by the non-genetic environment. They don’t want to follow the evidence to its logical conclusion, that evolution has not only continued but accelerated as the population and therefore its mutations increased, that individuals differ for innate and heritable reasons, and that gene pools differ for the same reasons. It is the new blasphemy for a secular age devoted to an egalitarian faith.
Essential reading: Steven Pinker, “The Blank Slate”, 2002. One sentence summary: he eviscerates the idea and uses its guts for garters.
I intended but forgot while typing to mention in the main body of my reply that economists are fond of explaining national differences in economic achievement by “institutions” by which they do not mean organizations but “rules,” usually rules established by the state. Gregory Clark looks at the economic history of England and tries to find rules changes that could explain why the industrial revolution took off there, from which it quickly spread to other parts of Europe through emulation, and he could not. But what he did find was that for generations the financial achievers, especially profitable, capitalistic farmers who produced crops for the market, the forerunners of the bourgeoisie, were having more surviving offspring than everyone else, and there was a lot of downward mobility as a result, with the surplus sons of these successful farmers (and I suppose merchants and craftsmen) moving down the social scale and competing the people who already occupied that niche. Clark does not deal explicitly with the question of whether it was cultural habits or genetically coded tendencies that the successful members of society passed on to their offspring, but the question may be irrelevant, since researchers have found that almost all human behaviors are substantially heritable.
The question whether capitalism – as a modern profit based, growth based system of capital accumulation through the extraction of surplus value and debt repayment, consumer demand and wage dependency etc. and fundamentally distinct from previous economic systems – can function at all without constant growth, has been topical over the past few decades because of the ecological and ‘degrowth’ agendas and it is usually discussed within those contexts. Many academic papers have been written on the subject and it is a popular Phd subject along with full length books. Here is a just few items to get you started, as I am not about to write a paper on the subject here and now. Let me know if you want some more and I will knock you up a quick bibliography. One occasionally encounters the far right crank idea that ‘there is no such thing as ‘capitalism” and frankly I do not have time for that nonsense.
Happy reading!
> Smith, Richard (2010). “Beyond growth or beyond capitalism?” (PDF). Real-World Economics Review. Bristol: World Economics Association. 53: 28–42.
http://www.paecon.net/PAEReview/issue53/Smith53.pdf
> Foster, John Bellamy (2011). “Capitalism and Degrowth—An Impossibility Theorem” (PDF). Monthly Review. 62 (8): 26–33.
http://myslu.stlawu.edu/~grepicky/eow/articles/56567595.pdf
> Trainer, Ted (2011). “The radical implications of a zero growth economy” (PDF). Real-World Economics Review. Bristol: World Economics Association (57): 71–82.
http://www.paecon.net/PAEReview/issue57/Trainer57.pdf
> Fernández Durán, Ramón (2012). The Breakdown of Global Capitalism: 2000-2030. Preparing for the beginning of the collapse of industrial civilisation [97–100] (PDF contains full book). Madrid: Ecologistas en Acción.
https://corporateeurope.org/sites/default/files/attachments/breakdown_capitalism_final.pdf
> Markantonatou, Maria (2013). “From ‘The Limits to Growth’ to ‘Degrowth’: Discourses of Critique of Growth in the Crises of the 1970s and 2008” [45–51] (PDF). DFG-KP Working Paper. 5. ISSN 2194-136X
http://www.kolleg-postwachstum.de/sozwgmedia/dokumente/WorkingPaper/wp5_2013.pdf
Somebody is having a laugh, and it’s good to see.
https://imgur.com/GsPgazA
Perfect gallows humor! However, this short clip of Fauci and the broad behind him ain’t amusing at all:
https://twitter.com/JoeyNada76/status/1363331618178555905
There was an earlier clip very much like this.
Great, thanks!
Our neighbours make personal christmas cards, last year they donned gas masks, my kind of neighbours!
Just to Chime in today and had a nice 🌄 morning with my older Sister (66) and taking Mother (98 years old) to a Florida Public Park that provides Pfizer vaccines to tolder 65 years. Took Sis a number of weeks to arrange an appointment date from someone calling from Midwest (Iowa Call center! ).
I alerted both of the dangers, shortcoming of these vaccines to no avail. So, been 3 hours and both seem fine (they delayed us 15 minutes for observation before departing the Park). Have to have second dose in 3 weeks. Took a good hour all in all. Many cars in line with a host of folks standing around with clipboards and safety vests doing nothing. Paperwork was straight forward and streamlined. Really no mention of adverse side effects and if so what to do or where to call.
Suppose they learned something from the Covid 19 testing procedure.
I’ll update if anything out of the ordinary occurs. Right now my Mother’s Doctor retired suddenly because of health issues and trying to sign her to a new primary care physician. BTW, Mother tested positive for Covid 19 about a year ago and was very sick for a few days, but survived🍏 Not so easy with her plan she is under and her age. The bureaucracy of the health care system is only outdone by the government.
Thanks for the posts everyone….keeps me awake between coffee cups!
“Right now my Mother’s Doctor retired suddenly because of health issues…”
did Doc just get vaccinated?
That’s a good question 😃…I don’t think so, the rumor mill next door that was circulating was Doctor R. was looking to sell her practice a while back.
Obviously, that did happen and she was complaining about the state of things in medicine. Very cautious about safe distance and masking.
She was at the age of retirement, so suppose this was a good time to pack it in and not hang on too long.
Remember, her frustration about patients making appointments and not showing up .,hard to say.
Was in one office looking around and the sign there had a warning…MUST be present within 15 minutes of appointment time or you will be rescheduled!
Most Physicians now work in Groups ….suppose it spreads the overhead costs.
Anyway, 😯 surprised 🙀 here on all the posts regarding the vaccine.
28-Year-Old PhD Physical Therapist DEAD 2 Days After Being Injected with COVID Experimental mRNA Vaccine
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/28-year-old-phd-physical-therapist-dead-2-days-after-being-injected-with-covid-experimental-mrna-vaccine/
Good find! This site has a long, long list of articles on people who have died, many in the prime of life, just hours or days after being vaccinated. Some of these stories are truly tragic in terms of the amount of distress and grief they leave in their wake.
But this site is also full of ads and may take a while to load on older devices.
Does it say anything about how many of the millions that got these vaccines haven’t died or suffered other adverse effects?
haven’t died or suffered other adverse effects?
Yet.
Give it time.
Many doctors have explained how effects such as autoimmune disease (vasculitis being one) can appear after 3 months 6 months or even after a year.
Virologists and microbiologists have also explained that the injected can suffer strong reactions when they next come down with colds or flu – cytokine storms etc.
My father got his first jab the other day and a relative came round to ask if he noticed any adverse effects. My dad said no and that was enough for the relative to give the go ahead for his family and himself.
The level of ignorance is astounding all around. I live in a tiny village where 99% of the inhabitants walk around with face diapers in the bright sunshine.
I fear that we are done as a species.
Also…
By your measure…
It’s ok if 5% of injected suffer death or damage as long as the 95% appear to be doing ok.
This is typical of standards upheld by the criminal mafia known as Big Pharma where the only real measure is in dollars.
Pay the occasional fine. Carry on as if nothing happened.
The big problems are not immediate
https://www.wired.com/2003/05/feds-race-to-make-sars-vaccine/
https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/22/synthetic-mrna-covid-vaccines-a-risk-benefit-analysis/
World Economic Forum shouted down on Twitter for suggesting Covid-19 lockdowns ‘improved cities all over the world’
The World Economic Forum, globalist champion of the Great Reset, has ruffled feathers online with an “out-of-touch” tweet how Covid-19 lockdowns are “quietly improving cities” across the globe.
A video accompanying the Friday tweet by the WEF shows images of deserted streets, grounded airliners and idle factories, then notes record declines in air pollution and a drop in carbon emissions. It later shows busy, smog-choked highways and notes that “the drop won’t slow climate change unless we lock in emissions cuts.”
https://www.rt.com/news/516734-world-economic-forum-lockdowns/
Less human activity and less humans (carbon life forms – zero carbon world) is all an improvement in Klaus Baby’s eyes!
Klaus ‘Barbie’, you mean….
Good one!
Who shall he exploit when there’s only a few of us left?
WEF: bringing you all the best news from your Digital Future!
Ah yes, the long rows of empty and boarded up shops and restaurants that make you want to shoot yourself – such an improvement!
And anyway, pollution has shot up here, caused by all the damn diesel vans and cars delivering online goods.
Luckily, all I’ve had to shoot with this past year has been a bow and arrows. There is something to be said for firearms restrictions……
If you want to know what the WEF regards as an improved city, visit Machu Picchu.
Ah, are facts of former times of grandeur, ego and ultimately folly. Some of the stone work there seem to be quite advanced for the “era” 🤣👍
It seems to be common theme when engineers visit the pyramids, examine the detail and then promptly reject any claims (from archeologists) that those were made with soft metal chisels and other stone tools. Nope. That is clearly made with some CNC machinery of the “epoch”.
Clearly some shenanigans has been well hidden from the public eye by various skullduggery, tricks and games.
So why not repeat history. Learning from mistakes seems so stereotypical of his breed called, yup, you guessed it right. Engineers. (For the most part)
I believe the stones were poured in liquid form into sacks. Hence the tight seems and otherworldly precision.
A pet hypothesis of mine is that they got lifted into space from the quarries and cut to shape there.
Assume an ancient space faring civilization with know-how in asteroid mining. They could for sure carve out the goodies out of a piece of stone. No problem to shape some granite however they wish.
/hypothesis off
🤔
Kowalainen, I have visited many old sites, including both Machu Picchu and the Pyramids. I tried to look at them with the eye of an architect, but with a training in the natural sciences. And in almost all cases, the overwhelming impression was that the archaeologists were pretty much wrong. The sarcophagus in the Pyramid of Khufu, for instance, was drilled out of granite; you can still see the faint regular grooves made by the drill, especially at the inside corners, which are slightly curved.
Likewise, the life size statue of Khufu, in the Cairo Museum, was carved out of diorite, the hardest known stone, and its surface is almost perfectly smooth.
The agricultural terraces of Machu Picchu were fed by small canals, all sloping at 1 part in 200 (as were Roman aqueducts),but across mostly natural terrain.
Not done by space aliens; rather by ingenuity, patient hard work, and very great skill. The tools are not really relevant; any stone can be cut by a just slightly softer stone; indeed, that is the better way to do it.
I’m a bit skeptical of the “hard work” part. To build massive structures of astounding tolerances require sophisticated measuring and stone cutting apparatuses. Let’s call it ACNC. Archaic CNC. Some powerful enough plasma, ultrasonics and lazor cutters for sure could chew through rock like it was paper. As for powering it; how about microwaves from space? Now we’ll need some rather large antennae to capture the beams and project them into a transformer of some sort.
Here is a fun hypotheses I play with. Assume the almighty gods of the old existed after all (archangels, Zeus, Thor, etc) and simply is a construct of something else. I guess that “something else” learned a valuable lesson meddling with poorly understood processes of the universe and its own origins.
Regret is suffering.
But hey, nobody’s perfect.
You’re excused. 🤣👍
What really baffles me is the need for humans in the first place. Why not just mechanize the whole operation and leave the primates alone? It is quite frankly bewildering. As if it was a game. Something playing Starcraft with rapacious primates and their overlords.
If I’d ever meet a ‘space alien’, I’d ask it to cut the BS and take me to the master. Anything that seems like “us” for sure should be accepted with a sack of salt. Biological creatures is not very well suited for space travel since we cannot simply power down/power save across vast distances.
/hypothesis off
🤔
I understand your skepticism: could mere grunt work really have piled up six million tonnes of stone into a Great Pyramid?
Yes, it could. The Egyptian farmer was unemployed for two to three months every year, while the waters of the Nile flood abated. They were hired to work on public monuments, such as pyramids. There being no money, they were paid in bread and beer.
We know this because of the graffiti on the inside surfaces of some of the now fallen stones, etched with those same copper tools. They boast of the prowess of the “gangs” of workmen, probably all from the same village, who did the work. The gangs even gave themselves names.
The stones were pulled with ropes (which we have found), up inclined planes (the remains of which we have found), and fitted together by simply rubbing the upper stone against the lower until both surfaces were smooth.
Add some very clever architects who knew geometry and surveying, and it all works. The first architect, by the way, lived in the Third Dynasty, and designed the first pyramid: the Step Pyramid at Saqqara. His name was ‘Imhotep’ (“I come forth satisfied”).
I’m not denying that there was some heavy manual labor going on. But that is not the important thing, rather the precision and accuracy. Plus the quarry operations and moving stones with archaic gear. Nope, 1000 ton blocks isn’t cut and moved by mankind today. Definitely and absolutely not in the prehistoric times.
Any hypothesis with any credibility according to my knowledge indicate that humans got a helping hand with some heavy lifting and stone cutting machinery. Quite possibly with spiffy space rock mining gear in orbit and limited amounts in the quarries. Once the job is done, lift the gear back into orbit.
Some silly graffiti/scratches on the walls prove nothing. By the way, why isn’t there any graffiti on the interior. Just straight cut surfaces and nothing else. It sort of reminds me of a few CAD/CAM designs I made quite recently. Why bother with some yada-yada when the work itself is enough.
As for those “Sumerian” tablets and inscriptions. Pure hogwash, the MSM of the era. X fought with Y, Y lost. X writes the history. Creation myths and the usual BS. Yawn. 🥱
The pyramids just sits there and emits a thunderous silence. “Figure this out you easily herded halfwits” seem to be the message.
Something bored is certainly playing Starcraft with mankind. Which is awesome, but a bit silly at this stage. I guess we had enough of the uncalled for grief and suffering. But what do I know. 🤔
/hypothesis off
A teacher of mine has made the same hypothesis. It’s pleasant and explains many things easily. If so, only a few people on Earth would know this secret and they would call themselves “Illuminati”. But since they are masters in deception I’m not sure I can trust them.
I guess the club of mutual foolery is wanking off to “destiny”, rebirth and renewal while browsing LTG, Nietzsche, Malthus, Hinduism and some silly ass archaic stone tablets full of the usual cringe inducing BS.
Send down one of the archangels with the usual bells and whistles. I’d simply state:
-“Watch this carefully!”
*Eye-roll*
-“Did you see it?”
I DON’T CARE. GTFO!
That’s how to do it.
🤘😑🤘
LOL!
Quite so, their dream city. As dear old Klaus would say: ‘Everything stable and in order!’
This is hilarious. An Irish farmer not happy with being stopped at a police checkpoint.
I believe RTE is the Irish national TV broadcaster.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1365312489198661633
So when are the ‘fighting Irish’ going to rise and rid themselves of the globalist Government of Occupation which is putting them through this nonsense?
Irish are very stable nd have it good rn. They are very well put in weathering in comming Collapse. Historically the island is a safe place for all kind of ellites. This time it is the same.
Humanity is like a dopey sleeping powerful giant kept in a subdued state by a minor flea infestation. The fleas use simple tricks to keep the giant from waking up but it works… for a while.
The Giant is waking up. There’s life in the old dog yet. A little slap here… a little smack there… and he’ll shake off the fleas like they’re nothing. Because they are nothing. Just little tricksters.
Except tricksters they are ruthless psychopaths. I have rub shoulders with some corpo dignitaries and scions. They are like different species. Otherwise I more or less agree with you but the fkea infestation is a cyclical event. What the fleas will be next time? I wonder.
Maybe you’re right. Maybe the fleas are just tooo tricky. Time to get out the industrial strength insecticide!
I just heard a local biochemist call out the disgusting level of corruption in the medical and pharma industry where I live including the university system. I believe it’s more or less the same everywhere. People have to toe the line or they get dropped like a bag of hammers.
I’m fairly confident that the tide is turning on those corpo types. They will probably have to retreat and regroup for a while. I sense that the giant is going to go on a rampage and do some damage until it gets tied down again.
There is a perceptible change now that the talk is of 100% ‘vaccination’, and, above all, doing the children – and even babies one day.
Even the dimmest are starting to sense all is not above board.
A great mistake has been hinting that summer holidays may not after all be allowed in 2021: over-confident, they are going too far and too fast.
Have a friend who is keen to get the jab — will get it as soon as it is made available … he’s early 40’s…
But he will not give this to his two young kids…
That’s Mr. DNA being assertive and issuing this edict to him…. Mr DNA does not care if he dies because he has already performed his role in reincarnated Mr DNA … so if he dies from the shot not a problem…. but the offspring…. that cannot be allowed
Xabi,
Yes, yes and yes.
I would love to witness a great awakening of sorts – walking away from the king – but I’ve learned to temper my optimism over the years as things don’t usually work as expected.
Its also a case of be careful what you wish for. The genie (or AI) could misinterpret your wish. Delivering a fatal blow to these industries NOW could backfire on all of us by speeding up collapse.
Sometimes I think it would be worth it though.
If they Elders have worked out a way to survive this… then I full support burning this MOFO to the ground…
https://www.centralasiapost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/hong-kong-court-fire.jpg
FE,
I’m getting there. Just give me a couple of months.
The last year confirmed for me once and for all that only a minority are gifted with scepticism and critcal thought.
Those other things you see waddliing about and getting in your face are biological robots – sacks of excrement on legs.
I met a guy a couple of weeks ago at a BBQ… he was formerly vice chairman of a large bank… he is the head of another smaller bank … was a major player in US politics behind the scenes… I was later told he lives in a 25M dollar ‘holiday house’ in QT…. so he is one of the high level doomie preppers that lurk in QT.. (all are completely delusional of course)…
You’d think he’d be a bit more switched on than the rest of us but nope … as Jim Jones was to purple kool-aid so he was with The Vaccine… everything will return to normal when the vaccines roll out… although he did express concern about the ‘variants’… of course he would – the MSM told him he should…
So nah… these people in high places are no different than anyone else…
I would argue the more cash you have the more likely you are to believe the official narrative… you MUST believe that there is a way out… because you have the MOST to lose if there isn’t!!!
German establishment hints that the easing of the most harsh restrictions won’t end before late Q2 or Q3 – which could be sign of deliminator for the threshold of the final market crash and or other event.
Cheesy playback video of quality ~white soul~ from the happier times near peak prosperity, notice till the end that sn@il mail procedure for voting in the hit parade (addressed to Munich).
The sun is out. People are NOT going to stay locked up! Time to rise up and take back the world. Nothing to lose.
Mass mask burning ceremony. Pick a date. Repeat until they’re all gone. All pushers of lies too. Their time is up.
Then we can grow greens and beans in peace until the lights go out.
‘We’ have ten years?
“ . . . our best estimate is that the net energy
33:33 per barrel available for the global
33:36 economy was about eight percent
33:38 and that in over the next few years it
33:42 will go down to zero percent
33:44 uh best estimate at the moment is that
33:46 actually the
33:47 per average barrel of sweet crude
33:51 uh we had the zero percent around 2022
33:56 but there are ways and means of
33:58 extending that so to be on the safe side
34:00 here on our diagram
34:02 we say that zero percent is definitely
34:05 around 2030 . . .
we
34:43 need net energy from oil and [if] it goes
34:46 down to zero
34:48 uh well we have collapsed not just
34:50 collapse of the oil industry
34:52 we have collapsed globally of the global
34:54 industrial civilization this is what we
34:56 are looking at at the moment . . . “
The problem is that if oil goes down, the whole system goes down. In fact, we seem to already be past peak oil. I think we are also past peak coal. We likely are past peak fossil fuels as well.
The problem with his analysis, totally aside from the question of whether he is accurately forecasting when the EROI of oil will drop to zero, is his assumption that oil availability is determined by the EROI of oil when it is actually the EROI of the total energy system that is critical. If total EROI remains high enough for a while, and if liquid fuels sell at a premium to other energy sources because of liquid fuels’ special qualities, then liquid fuels can continue to be produced even at an EROI of 1 or zero or negative.
But can oil prices rise higher? Sure they can. In 1980, the federal minimum wage was $3.10 and oil cost $37.42 a barrel (which would be $117.30 in today’s money), about 12 times the federal minimum wage. In 2019 (the latest year I have found complete data for), while the federal minimum wage was $7.25 an hour, oil sold for $50.46 a barrel, or 7 times the federal minimum wage. So can people afford to pay more for gasoline, diesel, and heating oil? Sure they can. Will paying more also disrupt the economy? Also yes, but it seems to be the suddenness of the price spike that causes the disruption. Adjusted for inflation, oil would still have been selling over $70 a barrel in 1983 and 1984 when the US was in the midst of vigorous economic recovering following the previous deep recession.
But even this analysis understates how much more we can afford to pay for oil–and people will still by fuel even during a recession or depression, just less of it. The upper limit on how high oil prices can go before sales plummet to zero due to unaffordability is determined not by the incomes of the poorest buyers among us, but by the incomes of the richest buyers among us, which are governments and corporations. If production is below what the markets taken as a whole (not minimum wage earners) want to buy and can afford to buy, then prices will be bid up until the poorest buyers are priced out of the market, regardless of whether the government chooses to subsidize the fuel costs of the poor or let them freeze in the dark.
Yet even that is not the whole story. Let us imagine that in a 10 year period post-peak, oil production were to fall by half, and prices were to double. (In reality, they might much more than double, but let’s keep the math simple.) If the Smith household can afford $200 a month for liquid fuels and no more, a doubling of prices does not mean that their liquid fuel purchases would drop to zero. It means they would still spend $200 a month on liquid fuels, but would get only half the amount of fuel for their money (or they would eat less so they could still afford gasoline, or make other tradeoffs). The industry will not care that their sales of the product fall by 50% in a decade, because their production has also fallen by 50% (because that is all they can produce) and they are selling all of it. With less oil produced, prices must rise in order to allocate most of the resource to those most able and willing to pay. Conversely, in a glut, often resulting from reduced economic activity, producers cannot sell all they are producing unless they are willing to accept lower prices. These essential trade offs will function post peak as well as pre peak.
I typed: ” If production is below what the markets taken as a whole (not minimum wage earners) want to buy and can afford to buy, then prices will be bid up until the poorest buyers are priced out of the market, regardless of whether the government chooses to subsidize the fuel costs of the poor or let them freeze in the dark.”
I MEANT to type: If production is below what the markets taken as a whole (not minimum wage earners) want to buy and can afford to buy, then prices will be bid up until the RICHEST buyers are priced out of the market, regardless of whether the government chooses to subsidize the fuel costs of the poor or let them freeze in the dark.
Sorry I did not proofread more carefully before I hit send.
Thanks for your interesting comments.
Yup, if cheap crap gets too expensive to produce. Two things can happen.
1. The cheap crap gets priced higher, becoming mere crap, or
2. Neither cheap nor crap is produced
The endgame for the debt fest will be perpetual guvmint bonds. When the useless eater horde (in guvmint and their precious “clients”) finally have depleted all possibilities to indebt the state even more, a default will naturally occur. It will occur anyhow due to depletion dynamics. Shit gets more expensive and people poorer as in 1. and 2.
If the bond buyer is smart, he or she will demand collateral in the form of natural resources or power production facilities. If the country got no collateral, well, good luck trying to sell those perpetual bonds.
Failing to hand over the collateral. Well, have a look at Venezuela. Not much fun when the credit lines to the owners gets cut and their private property abroad gets seized. Can’t buy jack shit when the owners of debt and production capability says “Nope”. In all scenarios poverty awaits for the useless eaters.
Now, will the guvmint useless eaters cut the losses sooner or later. My guess is to the bitter endgame.
Watch the inevitable unfold.
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Thanks 👍 postkey…very good video and interview. Steve gets slot right here and connects the dots in his other presentations. I subscribe to his youtube channel.
In the recent one I watched they tore up the dream of windmills and solar green dream.
nGeni Green Box Technology: Solution To Thermodynamic Oil Collapse
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DYIZxy2aGV0
Rather good exchange…the key point, though, there isn’t really enough of lead time to really change the outcome we are fscing
LOL, I’ve stayed up late listening to more of Arnoux’s spiel. I think he overestimates how fast EROI is dropping. If it were as far advanced as he thinks, we would have seen a big drop in national incomes world wide, and, at least pre-covid, that was not the case.
Also, regardless of absolute incomes, nominal or real, and regardless of prices we would be paying for energy, those prices would be a far higher share of our total income (because of EROI decline), and that has not happened yet.
On another note, he thinks economics is about the study of a perpetual motion machine. That is not correct. There is nothing economic theory that requires economic growth. Economics is a theory of exchange, not a theory of growth; although everyone, economist or not, desires and assumes growth today, that is because of our experiences, not because of economic theory. We think of measurable growth in consumption as normal, although for most of human existence it was not. That, however, is the fault of recency bias, not of economic theory.
But the thing that really hurts Arnoux’s credibility in my eyes is this statement on his website:
https://www.fourthtransitionwealth.com/
SNIP
“Something-else” means new ways of accessing and using energy that are safe, secure, affordable, attractive, sustainable, 100% based on the direct solar influx, and profitable for all involved – replacing existing wealth (all fossil-based), mostly bound to vanish over the next 10 years under the Energy Seneca, with unprecedented new forms of sustainable prosperity and new wealth.
Fourth Transition integrates the already available core knowledge, expertise, skills, experience & technology components that are required to address the Energy Seneca with “Something-else”, in the nick of time. Our first objective is to demonstrate what can be achieved at record speed as a “Middle Way” that is neither “business-as-usual” (BAU) nor the present, lethal, “renewables” mirage–End Quote
Oh, yeah, that’s the ticket–unobtainium!
He also says, “Since late 2019, we know for sure that global warming will overshoot 2ºC”
Totally wrong. In fact, I predict right now that no one alive on earth today will ever live to see a 2 degree C increase in mean global temperature. Even warmist alarmist True Believers like Michael Mann agree with the skeptics and deniers like me that there has been no net increase in temperatures for the last 20 years. The True Believers call it “the Pause” or sometimes “the Great Pause,” sort of like the Great Pumpkin I guess, except it’s already here. Naturally, reality has totally contradicted the UN-IPCC computer models. I guess they will have to curve fit them even more, but I know how constant re-curve fitting of a non-linear system works out in the end, and I confidently project that the next version of their models will fail just as dismally.
Whatever we collectively think, plan or do…pretty much is pointless.
There isn’t enough of time for transition with the vastness of the human hoard. The outcome(s) are pretty much “baked in” as Gail likes to say.
The reason for my response was this, however. Way is everyone so upset about approaches and if they are right and the other is incorrect or wrong?
Does it really make a difference in the scheme of the unfolding?
That’s the way things are…..
Bad decisions matter (especially if they manage to achieve backing from government/taxslaves, which seems to be every project’s goal). Bad decisions squander scarce resources (all resources are scarce except for air and sunshine) which would be better spent on downsizing in as orderly a manner as possible. Above all, we need to be relocalizing our production of essential goods even if we must pay more for them.
Cities need to start scaling down until they are small enough to be fed with local food production (close enough to be imported with horse drawn carts from small farms without access to high levels of fertilizer and pesticides), plus grains that may be transported via waterways. Horses or oxen cannot transport food a great distance overland, because they have to be fed too. Inland cities such as Atlanta, Dallas, Phoenix, Denver (inland *and* high altitude), and Las Vegas (inland *and* desertified) are unsustainably large and will have to downsize drastically.
Mountainous regions require far more energy to traverse than plains. We scarcely notice it with our internal combustion engines and fossil fuels, but it is the primary reason these areas have traditionally lagged the surrounding areas both economically and in terms of cultural change. On the other hand, if we are ever faced with a situation involving teeming hoards of desperate refugees from the cities, there will not be many of them to deal with in mountainous regions, since they will prefer to follow flatter terrain.
“Even warmist alarmist True Believers like Michael Mann agree with the skeptics and deniers like me that there has been no net increase in temperatures for the last 20 years. ”
I would be interested in a quote from M.M. stating that: “there has been no net increase in temperatures for the last 20 years. “
No answer was the strange reply?
Any cigarette smoking trashy intelligence “community” operators racing OFW? Got some bad news for you:
https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/spy-agency-artificial-intelligence-is-already-a-vital-part-of-our-missions/
“GCHQ is already heavily involved in AI-related projects. Although the organization will not disclose the exact details of its use of the technology.”
Yeah, get a proper job. Fools. 🤣👍
racing = reading.
GCHQ is most sinister, but will as you say either become redundant to AI or the whole thing will just collapse on top of them in the final catastrophic collapse.
And good riddance to them.
But oh, they are incompetent: the planted pro-Vax, pro-lockdowns, comments on Youtube stick out like a sore thumb – but that, I suppose, may be army ‘intelligence’ (so funny) officers trying to steer the public.
While working for the MoD I visited GCHQ. They struck me as good, intelligent, and competent people. Their main mission was to research threats to military C3I and propose countermeasures. Their covert mission (politically covert) was to advise, quietly, when our own plans had serious or fatal flaws.
One issue I remember was “stealth” technology. Solution: build or acquire, at great expense, our own stealth aircraft. Bad idea. The advantage of stealth is you can’t be seen. The disadvantage is that a stealth design is inferior in actual performance to a “damn the torpedoes” non stealth design. The far cheaper approach, then, is to break the stealth technology and recover air superiority at a stroke.
Right, I’m sure there are some clever young lads there. I was mostly thinking of the trash that get tasked with the dirty work. You know, the easily disposable loonies.
Unfortunately, the military easily turn into loonies, and should not be allowed near matters of public order,etc.
The history of military intelligence catastrophes is ample.
And ‘ant-vaxxers’ in the UK are already been investigated and listed as a ‘national security threat’, God help us!
But I am in a profoundly anti-Establishment mood at present, for some reason. Damn them all.
Earth is becoming inhabitable, ok, fair enough. Yay, let’s go to Mars. 🤪👍
https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/618133/
“Mars Is a Hellhole Colonizing the red planet is a ridiculous way to help humanity.”
Oh, daym, perhaps no then. 😭👎
Mars is ridiculous. Even colonizing the moon is absurd.
Or, as Bernie Taupin wrote,
“Mars ain’t the kind of place to raise your kids. In fact it’s cold as hell…..”
“Mars ain’t the kind of place to raise your kids
In fact it’s cold as hell”
and then…
one of those classic lines which Taupin is infamous for:
“And there’s no one there to raise them if you did”
bloody ‘ell, Elton couldn’t write anything better?
The first line runs “She packed my bags last night pre-flight,” but I hear it as “I crapped my pants last night three times.”
Probably because that’s what I would do if I was scheduled to go up in a rocket the next morning.
We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win, and the others, too. JFK
I agree a Mars colony will do nothing for the quality of life on Earth, that only a trivial number of people will go from Earth to Mars. Never the less it will be nice to have a backup for the human race. Go Elon!
The backup plan is called “protect the biosphere at all costs”.
All nukes on earth should be placed in orbit or on the moon. If any large piece of space rock comes too close – blow it up with a hail of nukes. Or at least shift the orbit out of harms way.
Pointing nukes at each other in the biosphere is such a stupid idea. Aren’t we past the bananas Cold War by now? Just build that railway across Bering strait and shake hands with Xi and Putin. Didn’t we already start moving East? Why not continue to its logical conclusion?
The MIC should busy itself with space threats instead of dropping ordnance at “rebels”. Triple the budget. At least one launch with hefty gear every second day. Side bonus. Try taking out missile silos with hypersonic missiles when they are empty.
“If any large piece of space rock comes too close – blow it up with a hail of nukes.”
Uh, that probably wouldn’t work.
It depends on the size. Large enough space rock that evades detection and nukes for sure won’t make any difference. If detected early enough. Let’s say a few hundred (thousand) asymmetrically built Tsar bomba sized devices could boil off material from the surface of the asteroid shifting its path as a makeshift nuclear propulsion system.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_impact_avoidance
“The direct methods, such as nuclear explosives, or kinetic impactors, rapidly intercept the bolide’s path.”
Or simply just equip a rather large asteroid with propulsion putting it in earth orbit. If some threat is detected, send it off as an impactor. Just about any amount of “stuff” in orbit could do just that, hence tripling the MIC budget for space warfare. One launch from earth every second day.
Alternatively, send the nukes back in time 65 million years and save the dinosaurs. They took far better care of the Earth than we have, and for far longer.
Bei Dawei said…
Uh, that probably wouldn’t work.
And I’ll add… a nuke would barely scratch an asteroid. IIRC the latest madness on that topic involved space mirrors to heat one side of an incoming object to change its course.
So… who’s building the space mirrors?
It depends on the size and time to impact. The faster the nukes get there, the better.
Denying this fact is mere dimwitted.
Have you actually done this in practice?
I’m done with hypothesis and mathematical models of what could possibly be in some future that we may not even witness.
It’s like talking about space solar and asteroid mining.
Have you actually built an airplane in practice?
Right some yahoo “engineer” nerd already did that to prove a point.
Now, do we zip around in the skies at ridiculous speed cramped in huge aluminium cylinders with attached wings or not?
At least 10 orbital launches every day. Sorry about the 3 launches every second day. That was a mistake.
Nuke the FSCK out of inbound asteroids.
It would depend, surely, upon who exactly the selected colonists are. One way ticket……
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The Bank of England has given banks and building societies in the UK six months to prepare for the possible introduction of negative interest rates for the first time in its 327-year history.
does anyone hear the can being kicked down the road negative interest rates along with the cull in pop numbers will stave off any collapse .
We have six months?
That’s splendid news!
How negative interest rates works for banks beyond that is beyond me. Maybe as palliative care for a dying society… perhaps?
My network is of the opinion that the rough ride begins late april/early May. So maybe we have half of six months.
OK. Gotta move fast then!!
I have lived through Collapse and reset. I am from Eastern European country which went through total collapse in the 90s and was reseted after that. You can’t prepare for the Collapse in no other way except mentally. All physical preparations are just exersice in futility.
However, your collapse was temporary, the result of rapid economic reconfiguration in a country that could integrate itself into the still expanding global economy. That is far different from a collapse caused by falling energy supplies resulting from resource depletion. In the latter case, collapse becomes a way of life, drawn out over decades and with no realistic chance of recovery, just downward adjustment.
Nehe,
Nicely summarised!
And that was the lite version….
I have the same information, should be May but could have been March too. Some people wanted to go faster but the West was not ready yet (it takes time with the vaxeens!)
okay March and April look good to go.
(though my informants tell me that the centre will hold until 2025.)
QBAU in The Core, baby!
If you live in Lebanon or Syria, or many other nations you are experiencing collapse as we speak.
Very little coverage of this … and no video… help is not on the way bud… sorry….
Troops use tear gas as violent clashes rock Beirut
“No one wants to help us out of our financial crisis,” he said.
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1685796/middle-east
It is easy to believe that some radical step, such as negative interest rates, will be needed within six months. This announcement is for the UK. The UK is in worse shape than a lot of other places.
Negative rates sounds like a good idea to get the economy going with big ticket items. Will work but in the short run. When the people have spent what they have, there will be no more to spend on. We will see.
Highly recommend everyone watch this documentary:
“Blocked in my country on copyright grounds.”
Try this link Gail:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bQU2yXKEdLK9/
Thanks! The video labeled, “Civil Unrest and the Collapse of Society.” The title below is After Armageddon – Full Movie – History Channel Documentary
I see that it is close to 1.5 hours long. I am afraid I don’t have this much time to watch it.
Is that video “After Armageddon” by the History channel? Yeah, I know the History channel make a lot of crap, but some of it is good, and “After Armageddon” is exceptionally good. I don’t know how long it will stay up, but here is another link:
Pretty damn good: and it even features among the commentators, of all people, Joseph Tainter!
Our Gail should have had a spot on it too – perhaps a cheering reference to a higher power right at the end…….
Hilarious!
If they do a sequel I want a cameo … I can be filmed revving my engine as I prepare to hurtle into the rock cut!!!
I am envious that is a real pandemic. Eddy, Elders, Gates, Klaus where the heck are you guys when we need you?
I’m thinking this is fake news… and it is part of Operation Compassionate Extinction:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/canadian-pension-boss-quits-after-mideast-trip-covid-shot-defying-govt-advice
It works like this … the government needs to encourage people to take the Lethal Injection … they can use blunt tools like massive fines, shock and fear headlines, covidiocy passports and so on …
But this is a much more subtle tool —- LOOK — here is someone who just risked his high paying job — to cheat and fly overseas to get the coveted vaccine!
And everyone – even really intelligent people — will read this and will feel FOMO and rush to the vaxx centre (death camp) to be injected….
But because Fast has a 700IQ (on a bad day)… and I just had a 20 minute nap followed by a double shot of coffee — which raises me above 1000 — Fast is able to see through this clever trick (I suspect that Fast is one of a handful of people on the entire planet that might pick this up .. Tim is likely one of the few others)….
I am thinking this fella has been offered a fat cat job at Goldman or JP… as a reward for his services rendered… but we’ll of course NEVER hear about where he surfaces after wintering for a few months in the Bahamas on an all expenses paid luxury vacation courtesy of The Elders.
I can’t wait to get my vaccination letter: I’ll feel so very special and lucky. The gift of Hope, the gift of Life! 2021, the year we get our freedoms back!
Hilarious!
Why not write back in order that you can receive your informed consent. Ask for:
1) The name of the vaccine they propose injecting you with;
2) A full list of vaccine ingredients and the function of each ingredient;
3) Full details of all safety trials and all the raw unadulterated data from the safety trials;
5) Your chance of contracting covid-19 and chance of dying if you do so;
6) All possible adverse events associated with the vaccine and the probability of each;
7) How the manufacturer overcame the problem of antibody dependent enhancement that has previously been seen in all other attempted coronavirus vaccine developments;
8) Why, if the vaccine is considered safe, it is necessary to indemnify the manufacturer against all harm caused by the vaccine;
9) A signed letter from your doctor accepting responsibility for any damage done to you by the vaccine.
Plus anything else you can think of. I doubt you will receive a reply anyway.
Freedoms one jab at a time.
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I am well past peak IQ now, although it’s still in three digits on a good day after lunchtime. And for me too, a couple of cups of cappuccino or espresso makes all the difference, as does a good walk.
This evening I’ve been reading a post from two weeks ago about the development of mRNA technology by Ric Werme, who occasionally publishes at WUWT. This author praised the developers, and also confided that he had taken his first shot of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. The article is a good source of info on “the backstory”, but I was gripped by the comments, where several people who were very skeptical of the advantages and wary of the potential dangers of taking this experimental therapy too turns at attacking Ric’s endorsement and warning that we don’t know what kind of havoc mRNA might wreak on the immune system over the longer term.
In the mostly polite exchange of opinions, Ric reassuringly explained that the mRNA was selected precisely because it doesn’t last very long. It gets injected into the muscle, gets into some cells, gets them to make the spike protein from the dreaded virus so that the immune system can get some practice at identifying and destroying it, and then after a few days or a couple of weeks the mRNA dissolves, like it was never there.
All this reassured me — for about two seconds — before I was hit by the question: If the idea is to introduce a spike protein for the immune system to take aim at, then why not just synthesize the said protein and inject that, rather than getting the human body’s own cells to do that? I’m sure there has to be a good answer to that, and I’m sure the mRNA-programmed protein manufacturing cells will turn off and everything will be hunky door. It has to if Duncan and Norman are to have any chance of surviving in de-facto human form!
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/10/mrna-persistance-rewarded/
Also on my travels I came across the sad story of Sara Stickles, a 28-year-old healthcare worker who has died from a brain aneurysm five days after receiving the second dose of the Pfizer mRNA shot. If she’d been hit by a bus, I would agree that would have been an unhappy coincidence. But a brain aneurysm….?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/7MiBwyhZUnkK/
Somewhere I read the vax can spike blood pressure upward could explain brain aneurysm.
The Pfizer chemical is not a vaccine. It is a virus. It does exactly what a natural virus does: invades your cells and reprograms them to generate different chemicals. Being RNA based, it can also mutate in unpredictable ways; hence the need to store it at very low temperature. The gamble is that it will be warmed up and injected before it can mutate. You are betting your life on that gamble.
If the MRNA whatzit can mutate once its warm why cant it mutate once its injected?
It can. The theory (unproven, of course) is that it will infect your cells rapidly and then deactivate.
But Robert, ALL vaccines are small, weakened doses of a virus. That is what makes them effective at provoking antibody formation. The idea for the smallpox vaccine was conceived in the 18th century after it was noticed that milkmaids who had contracted the related but less dangerous disease cowpox almost never got smallpox.
No, they are not. The safe vaccines are “denatured”; that is, they cannot reproduce. Live vaccines require far more extensive testing, which the current live vaccines have not been subjected to, so we have no idea how much the vaccine will reproduce after being injected, and how dangerous it might become.
Where is Duncan and Norman by the way?
My theory is that they are tucked away in the “Calhoun apocalypse bunkers” “useful pleb” basement floor perhaps? Lowest tier, plenty of rats and moisture everywhere with a poultry 15-inch Telly so they can monitor the mayhem on the surface.
Surely they can be that cheap and nasty?
What amazing imagery you planted in my brain! probably not far from the truth.Thanks.
Right, don’t forget the absence of escapism. No internet. No Telly. Netflix gone. OFW gone. Only a few moldy Nietzsche and Malthus books. You get the idea.
Plus daily broadcasts with uncle Bill and Klaus urging on the “survivors”. The homo apocalypse sapiens sapiens. Indeed the new population stock, ready to crank the wheel of time into over speed. Dear “chosen ones” go on to reproduce.
I sense a bright and vivid future for mankind.
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The Transhumanist ‘Seed’ vault has probably been most generously stocked up by Uncle Bill, Klaus & Co. for repopulation with the right kind of humanoid.
Now, there’s an image for you……
The Johnson & Jonhson’s “vaccine” introduces supposedly harmless viruses which will also infect the body cells to instruct them to manufacture the wretched spike proteins : the infected cells will then manifest the spike proteins on its surface. This method seems no different from the Pfizer “vaccine”. Echoing Tim’s question, why not introduce harmless viruses with spike proteins already built-in, a mimic of the real virus ? Going further, why not make use of weakened or neutered versions of the real virus ? Is it because the real virus is actually imaginary , as suspected by some parties ?
I watched this excellent interview with Dmitry Orlov:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUPXYoOHiyg&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=PieroSanGiorgio
Orlov is always provacative in this case spot on with the motives behind this pandemic. He however believes, as does Gail, that certain areas of the world will fair better during the collapse than others. He especially likes (no surprise) Russia’s prospects with their huge fossil fuel resources and relatively small population. Orlov even thinks Russia is underpopulated and could double is population to be optimum. I remember asking Jay Hanson about this many years ago. Would Russia be the place to be during energy decline with their large oil resources and low population? He said no, we (the USA) are going to crisp them and send in Boots and Coots to re-habilitate their oil fields.
Jay studied human nature. We are the third chimpanzee, red in tooth and claw like our relatives. We are male dominated and will readily invade and kill our competitors over scarce resources. Given that, does it make any sense that the United States with our huge nuclear arsenal will sit back and watch our reserve currency status and standard of living go down the drain with hyperinflation while Russia sits pretty with their oil reserves and maintains a reasonable standard of living for its citizens?
Jay foresaw nuclear war as the end game of this collapse. I hope he is wrong but I fear he is right.
I listened to quite a bit of this video. Dmitry has a lot of good insights. He thinks that we will return to slavery, and he may be right. (Slavery is better than starving. We will call the slaves “interns.”) People are so dependent on social media now that if they lose the internet, they will have a hard time protesting.
Dmitry talks about the population of one third of the United States wants to secede. I haven’t seen this statistic. I am probably not reading the papers/blogs that would talk about this issue. The country does tend to be very divided between Republican and Democrat, however.
> Nearly a third of Americans want to break up the United States into like-minded countries: Poll
Half of Republicans in the South are ready to secede
https://www.theblaze.com/news/third-of-americans-break-up-us-into-smaller-countries
I don’t know about other countries, but in the US our grid has become critically dependent on the internet (it is more “efficient”–read “cheaper”), so we *can’t* let the internet disappear. Lots of other stuff depends on the net these days too. It’s scary. We have doubled down on fragility.
Secession: someday maybe, but don’t expect any serious secession movements any time soon. Orlov and some other Europeans consistently underestimate the cohesiveness of the US that exists in spite of our infighting. We will not break up any time soon for various reasons that take too long to go into in this comment.
Even if that “one third say they want to secede” assertion turns out to be accurate, much higher numbers of Americans than that support various policies and reforms that never get put into practice. It hardly matters what the commoners want.
I suspect that the binary partisan divide is liable to hinder secession. Independentists may have to get support from both parties and the supporters of the local minority party are unlikely to be supportive.
> Texas Republicans endorse legislation to allow vote on secession from US
State’s part chairman, Allen West, is latest Republican to come out in support of declaring Texas an independent nation
The Texas Republican party has endorsed legislation that would allow state residents to vote whether to secede from the United States.
In a talkshow interview, the party chair, Allen West, argued that: “Texans have a right to voice their opinions on [this] critical issue.
“I don’t understand why anyone would feel that they need to prevent people from having a voice in something that is part of the Texas constitution,” the former Florida congressman said of the Texas Referendum Independence Act. “You cannot prevent the people from having a voice.” ….
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/05/texas-republicans-endorse-legislation-vote-secession
In much of Central Asia and the Middle East, top government, palace, and military roles were often reserved for slaves, and a nice place as a domestic slave could be much better than half-starving as a peasant farmer.
In Iran, pretty slave girls might often actually marry into the family and have a good life (one can trace the black African blood in some Iranian and Arab faces to this day).
The Ottoman Turks put Russians at the bottom of the list of good slaves, as they found them to be too stupid, but good for manual labour and fighting.
I believe Greeks, Jews, Armenians,Caucasians ranked highest, being clever and quick-learners. I can’t recall exactly where Africans came in the list, but not as low as Europeans later ranked them that’s for sure.
Social security checks and federal employee pension payments will glue the union together. Why would the US pay these to people living in a foreign government? Yes, moral obligation but the fact is there s no pile of saved money these are pay as you go and The US government will not pay as it goes to support foreigners in a foreign nation.
@Ed, the US gov already DOES pay SS and pensions to Americans living in foreign countries. Why would that change just because the country happened to be a former US possession? Since a 1960s SCOTUS decision, US has also allowed dual citizenship. However, since the 1860s, US has been adamant that no state be permitted to secede. They have proven they will kill to prevent that.
I watched about 5 minutes…
He’s a clueless idiot…
And he picked up the part about the US overnight issues etc…because i posted them on various blogs like this… many months ago … as part of a general summary.
COVID IS COVER FOR THE END OF CIVILIZATION
WE BURN 6 BARRELS OF OIL FOR EVERY 1 WE DISCOVER
All in all, this year has seen new discoveries of nearly 8 billion barrels of oil equivalent, compared to 10 billion barrels of oil equivalent discovered last year.
But what’s most striking is that new discoveries aren’t even close to keeping pace with the loss of conventional resources.
According to Rystad, the current resource replacement ratio for conventional resources is only 16 percent. In other words, only one barrel out of every six consumed is being replaced with new resources.
So not only has our pace of discovery declined, but discoveries are also in much more challenging geological venues and typically offshore, which means it could take many years just to bring new resources online.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Biggest-Oil-Gas-Discoveries-Of-2019.html
THE PERFECT STORM
The economy is a surplus energy equation, not a monetary one, and growth in output (and in the global population) since the Industrial Revolution has resulted from the harnessing of ever-greater quantities of energy. But the critical relationship between energy production and the energy cost of extraction is now deteriorating so rapidly that the economy as we have known it for more than two centuries is beginning to unravel https://ftalphaville-cdn.ft.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Perfect-Storm-LR.pdf
“The global economy was facing the worst collapse since the second world war as coronavirus began to strike in March, well before the height of the crisis, according to the latest Brookings-FT tracking index. “The index comes as the IMF prepares to hold virtual spring meetings this week, when it will release forecasts showing the deepest contraction for the global economy since the 1930s great depression. https://www.ft.com/content/9ac5eb8e-4167-4a54-9b39-dab48c29ac6c
Fed is sharply increasing the amount of help it is providing to the financial system (source) Banks did not trust each other. Similar situation when Lehman collapsed
Shale boss says US has passed peak oil | Financial Times Conventional oil production peaked in 2005 – we then urgently began busting up rocks and steaming out the dregs. Shale peaked in 2019.
Dmitry Orlov has been talking about the future collapse of economies for a very long time. I first heard him speak back in 2006. He has many insightful comments from the collapse of the government of the Soviet Union. I don’t have a problem with what Dmitry says. I am sure he and I will differ in some respects, but he is heading in the right direction.
The issue about “discoveries” of oil is really a non-issue in my mind. We have a huge inventory of very low quality oil resources that could be developed, if only the price would rise high enough. Venezuela and Canada have a huge amount of such resources, for example. If we wanted coal, and the coal price rose incredibly high, we could extract the coal under the North Sea. It is the fact that such resources seem to be available (if only prices will rise high enough) has led to models saying that climate change is likely to be our biggest problem in the future.
Russia has a very cold climate and limited water transport. I agree with Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov of St. Petersburg that we are moving into a much cooler period of history compared with the warm and relatively benign 20th century. And without abundant liquid fuels, water transport becomes vastly more important. (Russia has oil, but it is very close to peak by its own admission, unless its prospective Bazemov basin fracking operations pan out.)
I like the idea of the post-apocalyptic USA invading Russia, though. That ought to work out well.
Countries that have neutron bombs don’t invade each other, for obvious reasons.
Hello Gail,
I was wondering if you had an opinion about the two things:
Which regions of the world do you think are going to fall apart first?
Is Asia (East Asia) seemingly more likely to weather the incoming collapse better?
Thanks
Regards,
Oceania?
Who will fall apart first? My guess: the net food importers, or countries that need to become net food importers after The Peak.
I will guess that it will be pieces of today’s countries that succeed for a while longer. These pieces will probably be mostly in warmer areas of the earth and have water transport available. They may be fairly different from each other.
Fossil fuels won’t play a big role. Look at Venezuela. It supposedly has the largest oil reserves in the world.
I am not sure which parts will fall apart first. The ones most dependent on today’s financial system will be very much at risk, if it fails.
The ones who consumed the most will be the 1st to take a dirt nap. The lean ones will have bit longer timeline.
George, good but complex question. Nations that grow their own food and supply their own energy and manufacture their own goods will fair better.
In East Asia, Australia will do well they have food and energy, not clear how much manufacturing they do. New Guinea has food and uses little energy and uses little manufactured items. They will do well at their self selected low industry level. If Japan would take nuclear power seriously and install 200GW more they would have a chance but they will not. Nations full of people just waiting to die will not under take massive building projects, Japan, US, EU.
Can I pick Venezuela? Hey, we should run this like a dead pool!
Yemen is up high on the list too.
Ivermectin the Daily mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9297449/Drug-used-treat-lice-scabies-drug-cut-Covid-deaths-75-research-suggests.html
The study needs to be published.
There was a recent article saying that Slovakia was not having success with ivermectin. There are no doubt many tricks to using ivermectin with success, so it may not be the drug itself, but the way it is given that is the problem there.
The EU is going for UK trading houses; UK cries ‘You can’t!’
> Bank of England chief Andrew Bailey warns the EU against ‘serious escalation’ of post-Brexit row over City firms, warning that its attempts to force them to relocate in the eurozone would be of ‘dubious legality’
The Bank of England governor lashed out at the EU today, suggesting it could be breaking the law by attempting to force City firms to relocate to the eurozone in order to keep trading within the bloc.
Andrew Bailey said that a row with Brussels over ‘equivalence’ rules for financial service masked a resurgence of a ‘location policy’ designed to weaken a powerhouse of the UK economy.
He addressed MPs on the Treasury Committee this afternoon, days after it was revealed Europe’s top banks are being asked to justify why they should not have to shift clearing of euro-denominated derivatives worth billions of euros from London to the EU.
December’s Brexit deal did not include an agreement on financial services including clearing house trade in euros on the London Stock Exchange that amounts to more than £150billion every day.
Last November Rishi Sunak unilaterally allow financial services firms from the EU to do business in post-Brexit Britain and bemoaned the failure of the EU to strike a similar deal for the City since 2016.
Mr Bailey said the EU had first suggested a location policy when the euro currency was launched in 1999, but ‘Brexit has obviously been in a sense a stimulus to revive this debate’.
…. Brussels has given LCH permission to continue clearing euro trades for EU firms until mid-2022, providing time for banks to shift positions from London to the bloc.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9295545/Bank-England-chief-warns-EU-against-escalation-post-Brexit-row-City-firms.html
Macron says ‘Non! Non! Up yours!’
> When Emmanuel Macron, French president, was asked this month by the FT if he was in favour of Brussels granting “equivalence” to UK financial services rules, he replied simply: “Not at all. I am completely against.”
Of course the UK state would _never_ tolerate terrorists – except for the ones that it finds useful. Hey, organised British capital needs a helping hand, even a red one.
> Arlene Foster meets loyalist paramilitary representatives over Brexit protocol
DUP leader Arlene Foster, along with deputy leader Nigel Dodds and East Belfast MP Gavin Robinson, have met a representative group for loyalist paramilitaries over the Northern Ireland Protocol.
A party spokesman said they discussed opposition to the protocol within the community with the Loyalist Communities Council.
“We listened to the views expressed and the need for political and constitutional methods to safeguard the United Kingdom single market and ensure there is an unfettered flow of trade between Great Britain and Northern Ireland,” he said.
The Loyalist Communities Council represents groups including the UVF, UDA and Red Hand Commando.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/02/25/news/dup-holds-meeting-with-loyalist-paramilitary-representatives-over-brexit-protocol-2236477/
Reminder – Gates to Trump: Do not investigate vaccine safety
https://twitter.com/donkamion78/status/1365008352317763590
This is what the CDC says it does to ensure vaccine safety.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/conversations/downloads/vacsafe-ensuring-color-office.pdf
It says:
It seems like steps (animal trials in particular) were missed with COVID-19 vaccines. Also, there doesn’t seem to be any provision for long term follow-up with respect to adverse effects. The document does go on to talk about the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. If the events start occurring months or years later, there could be a real problem.
Dr Sam Bailey made a video a few weeks ago setting out how drug and vaccine trials usually work, thereby indirectly criticising what has been done- or rather not done! – in this present case.
A friend who is a leading transplant surgeon and researcher has suggested that one would be well advised not to touch any of these vaccines until about 5 years or so have passed, as potential dangers are unquantifiable due to the accelerated development and deployment. Serious problems, if any, should emerge in that time-frame.
I suspect there were lengthy animal trials… that we are not being told about … and I suspect that all the animals died within a year of taking the vaccine.
The vaccine passed with flying colours
The critical Phase 3 trials have not yet been conducted. The FDA has allowed it for temporary emergency use to save time. It’s still experimental.
From the 2/18/2021 release of VAERS data:
Found 1,095 cases where Vaccine targets COVID-19 (COVID19) and Patient Died
First on the list:
AERS ID: 909095 (history)
Form: Version 2.0
Age: 66.0
Sex: Male
Location: Colorado
Vaccinated: 2020-12-23
Onset: 2020-12-25
Days after vaccination: 2
Submitted: 0000-00-00
Entered: 2020-12-25
Vaccine/Manufacturer
COVID19: COVID19 (COVID19 (MODERNA)) / MODERNA
Administered by: Senior Living Purchased by: ?
Symptoms: Foaming at mouth, Pain in extremity, Pallor, Pulse absent, Respiratory arrest, Somnolence, Unresponsive to stimuli
SMQs:, Anaphylactic reaction (broad), Hyperglycaemia/new onset diabetes mellitus (broad), Neuroleptic malignant syndrome (broad), Anticholinergic syndrome (broad), Shock-associated circulatory or cardiac conditions (excl torsade de pointes) (narrow), Dementia (broad), Convulsions (broad), Oropharyngeal conditions (excl neoplasms, infections and allergies) (narrow), Acute central respiratory depression (narrow), Guillain-Barre syndrome (broad), Noninfectious encephalitis (broad), Noninfectious encephalopathy/delirium (broad), Noninfectious meningitis (broad), Hypotonic-hyporesponsive episode (broad), Generalised convulsive seizures following immunisation (broad), Hypersensitivity (broad), Respiratory failure (narrow), Tendinopathies and ligament disorders (broad), Hypoglycaemia (broad)
Life Threatening? No
Birth Defect? No
Died? Yes
Date died: 2020-12-25
Days after onset: 0
https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=on&PAGENO=1&PERPAGE=10&ESORT&REVERSESORT&VAX=%28COVID19%29&VAXTYPES=%28COVID-19%29&DIED=Yes&fbclid=IwAR2rBWzmzUUh-5eWc3N4gp6PV3aEnpIyzAX0Oazu32g8hzrPHqKfVmflV1M
Some have made claims that the mRNA vaccines will compromise our immune systems. Can you please link what sources you’re using? A friend would like to investigate
This is a link to a Time magazine article about mRNA vaccines.
https://time.com/5927342/mrna-covid-vaccine/
It describes how regular vaccines are made. It then says:
It then goes on on to describe this process further.
The issues is whether these “safe components” are really safe, for the long term. Also, there is no “off switch” for producing these supposedly safe components. We have not tested the results in humans for any long period.
This is an article that talks about concerns that these “safe components” aren’t really safe.
https://vaxxter.com/covid-vaccines-part-2/
It is called Vaccine-Induced Spike Antibodies: Havoc on the Lungs
This information is with respect to an earlier vaccine against the old SARS illness that was being tested on animals. The current mRNA vaccines have not been tested on animals, as far as I know.
This is an academic article that says sort of the same thing as the previous link:
https://sci-hub.scihubtw.tw/10.1172/jci.insight.123158
Anti–spike IgG causes severe acute lung injury by skewing macrophage responses during acute SARS-CoV infection
This is a video by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny that I thought was very good at explaining some of the issues:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/dr-sherri-tenpenny-explains-how-the-depopulation-mrna-vaccines-will-start-working-in-3-6-months-video/
Dr. Judy Mikovitz is well known. She has worked in vaccine research for many years and has crossed paths with Anthony Fauci many times over that period. She has strong feelings on why the vaccine is a problem. She lists a large number of potential issues with the vaccine.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OtrXxlBk4j6m/
Covid Vaccine = Delayed Lethal Injection.
It is hoped that Brent Oil will trade at ($150/bbl) by the end of 2021 and Henry Hub Natural Gas will hit ($25/decatherm) by the end of 2021. Those “high” prices will make for some good propaganda!
spikes like that in only 10 months would surely mean that the world had experienced another black swan.
Investor Stephen Leeb, based on his historical research, claims that every time the price of oil has risen 80% in a 12 month period, that a recession has followed a short time later (although I do not remember the exact time frame).
recessions have been reduced to very minor worries, for those who understand the OFW storyline.
The Great Depression was just a severe recession, but the word recession did not yet exist in economics. Such events were described as Panics or Crises, but the Hoover administration felt such language was too alarmist. Scaring people might make it worse, they thought, so they told people the economy was merely “depressed.” After the economic “depression” was over, no politician ever wanted to use the word “depression” again, so the word recession began to be used.
cool, thanks.
very soon, most years will be recessions with possibly an occasional rare rebound year of economic growth.
the new normal.
Curious.
What will provide rebound of economic growth in your opinion?
when one year has a terrible plunge, like 2020, then there is a good chance that the next year will have a partial recovery, which technically is “growth”.
these kinds of retracements happen all the time in smaller ways.
2021 will probably have such a partial recovery.
there is still plenty of FF energy flowing through the system, though less net (surplus) energy year by year.
an overall downward economic slope is guaranteed, though it’s very likely to be a bumpy slope, just as the 20th century growth was not uniformly smooth on the way up.
The business cycle has 3 phases: expansion, recession, and recovery, before returning to recession. A severe contraction can be followed by a period of growth, but perhaps the growth will no longer bring the GDP up to where it was before, that is, it may never make it into the expansion phase before it slumps back down into another recession. So we might still get recoveries, maybe even some vigorous recoveries, after recessions, but no net new growth because the economy will turn back down too soon. Think about a drowning diver who tries to swim back to the surface, but doesn’t quite make it that far, except that in economics that pattern may happen again and again until we finally reach a steady state energy economy.
I wrote: “expansion, recession, and recovery, before returning to recession”–Oops, I meant:
“expansion, recession, and recovery, before returning to EXPANSION”
Recession on my mind I guess. Or my mind is receding, who knows?
yes.
and, any graphs of the past 20 years or 100 years etc that show growth and recessions will have a pattern of mostly thin lines for the recessions within the thick periods of growth.
this pattern is now ending.
perhaps there will be roughly equal years of growth and recession for a decade or so, but soon enough it will be nearly continuous recession.
this is guaranteed by diminishing returns, and especially the diminishing returns of FF, which is providing less net (surplus) energy year after year from now until the end of IC.
oh okay.
but I do think it will soon enough become a pattern of recession and partial recovery followed by more recession, with little chance of actual expansion squeezing in between.
but I am repeating myself.
@davidinamonth, Your thesis is eminently logical and justified by elementary physical science. GDP growth or national income growth (real growth, not inflation) requires growth in the production of goods and services (you can’t consume goods that are not produced), and producing goods and services requires work, and work requires energy because energy is, by definition, “the ability to do work.” But with less energy available to the economy, less work can be done, and therefore fewer goods and services can be produced–the very definition of a recession.
Gail,
Great article as usual, thanks much!
In one of your first paragraphs you state “Consumers decide on what to buy, based upon what their spendable income is and what their needs are.”
I would suggest a modified version: “Consumers decide on what to buy, based upon what their spendable income and access to debt are, and what their needs (both actual and perceived) and desires are.”
I agree that that would be better. I didn’t want to bring up the debt issue that early.
At one time, people tried not to go into debt. “A penny saved is a penny earned.” Then, about 1981, “leverage” became a good thing.
True – then no more being paid each week in cash in envelopes, electronic transactions and credit cards took over
In 2018, the IEA’s world energy outlook report forecast that if prices did not rise enough to finance more spending on exploration and drilling (they haven’t), then by 2025 we would be looking at a HUGE shortfall between global oil production and the economy’s needs for it. When I saw the projection in their chart, my heart skipped a beat. This would pose a civilizational crisis if it actually came to pass. Okay, I found it, here it is:
https://damnthematrix.wordpress.com…-outlook-peak-oil-is-here-oil-crunch-by-2023/
If new deposits are not produced, in just 7 years [now 5 years] from now we will find that the production is 34 Million barrels per day (Mb / d) below where it is expected that the demand will be, or about 25 Mb / d below the demand much more moderate scenario of Sustainable Development. It is a huge hole of more than 35% of all the oil that is produced today.
In the text, the IEA warns us that there is nothing particular to worry about in this terrifying graphic because there will be exploitation of new deposits that will cover that hole to a large extent. However, they warn us, to avoid that hole we would need to find deposits with resources around 16 billion barrels each year…In short: the IEA is assuming…that production in 2025 will be lower than today’s (a deficit of 13 mbd in 2025). In essence, peak oil.”
It isn’t likely oil companies will make up the difference In 2016, only 2.4 billion barrels were discovered (versus 9 billion on average the past 15 years). In 2017, about 7 billion new barrels were discovered. As you can see below, there’s been an alarming lack of new crude oil found.
And it’s not just cleantechnica saying there will be oil shortages, here are some other articles about the coming oil crunch: Bloomberg, NASDAQ, oilprice.com, axios calls the shortage as by 2023, financial times also by 2023
SNIP
On page 159 of the IEA 2018 World Energy Outlook the following graph can be found:It is clear that Peak Oil will be hit well before 2020, while demand keeps on rising, unless the world’s Oil Majors and State Owned Oil Companies massively invest in new exploration.
Graph of shortfall to 2025:
[IMG]
Graph of shortfall projected to 2040:
[IMG]
“… It is clear that Peak Oil will be hit well before 2020, while demand keeps on rising…”
oil peaked in late 2019 (or was it 2018?) and due to events since then, “it is clear” that there will be nothing higher in the future.
what is not clear is that “demand keeps on rising”.
I think the world is past its peak net (surplus) energy, though this is difficult to measure, and so it is past its peak economic activity.
due to this and other economic concerns, such as diminishing returns and wage disparity and out of control debt, “it is clear” to me that demand will keep on falling.
how much of a fall and by when?
perhaps oil demand falls enough by 2023 so that there is adequate supply, or not.
the main point here is that both oil supply and demand will be generally falling in most future years.
of course, if the supply falls faster by 2023, then the price will rise, and if demand falls faster the price will fall.
no big deal either way.
these price movements will be just temporary blips on the screen, just minor issues compared to the relentless irreversible decline of net (surplus) energy and economic activity.
I doubt that there will be huge supply shortages by 2023 or 2025.
Let me try those IEA graphs again!
Graph of projected shortfall to 2025:
https://i2.wp.com/energyskeptic.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/IEA-2018-peak-oil-decline-8-pct.jpg?resize=636%2C369&zoom=2
Graph of projected shortfall to 2040:
https://i0.wp.com/c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2018/11/IEA-graph.jpg?ssl=1
good, thanks.
I think their demand projections are abbbsurdly high.
Have you been wasting your time listening to that shameless corporate shill Tony Seba? Peak demand is a myth. Global oil demand continues to grow except during global recessions. Demand will peak only because production peaks first, and demand cannot exceed supply. IOW, it is not possible for the market to purchase more than 100% of the available supply. Prices will rise because that is how markets ration (allocate) finite supplies. If production is falling every year, rather than selling it all and running out faster than more can be supplied, prices will rise until people are forced to use less.
Feedbacks in the economy may create recessions that reduce consumption more than the sellers want, causing prices to drop, but prices only drop because of oil surpluses that emerge during recessions. Even if the economy were mired in permanent recession for various reasons, consumption does not drop to zero. Eventually, surpluses are worked off (especially if production is falling inexorably for reasons of geology and physics), and as available supplies fall below even depressed levels of demand, prices rise again to reduce demand to the level of the available supply.
Prices can rise until even the wealthiest buyers (such as governments and big corporations) can no longer afford to purchase the product–or until cheaper substitutes are found, but I would not hold my breath, especially not if you are expecting the electrification of the transport system to eliminate demand for liquid fuels. Only passenger vehicles (including “light trucks”) and railroads can be electrified because of limitations inherent in any kind of battery technology, and that is only 55% of usage in the US (and probably less in many other countries). 45% of liquid fuels are for heavy trucking, ocean shipping, passenger airplanes, the armed forces, and a few other things. (In the US, railroads also use liquid fuels, which can be converted to electricity, but whether that will be a cost effective transition is debatable when all factors are considered.) And of course oil is also valuable for making plastics, asphalt for our roads, and other purposes besides liquid fuels. So demand for oil can drop only so far even if you could replace every passenger vehicle in the world with a 100% EV (which is probably not possible–oil is not the only finite resource!).
first reply: Seba seems to be clueless about the world being past its peak of net (surplus) energy.
next:
“Global oil demand continues to grow except during global recessions. Demand will peak only because production peaks first, and demand cannot exceed supply.”
yes, and I am predicting most years ahead will be recessions, because net (surplus) energy is in an irreversible decline, and so economic activity must also decline.
perhaps net (surplus) energy is not declining, or can increase in the future, but I think both of those are doubtful, though it’s difficult to measure.
so my prediction is more or less just cause and effect, and not very bold at all IF indeed net (surplus) energy is in fact in permanent decline.
next:
“… prices only drop because of oil surpluses that emerge during recessions. Even if the economy were mired in permanent recession for various reasons, consumption does not drop to zero.”
yes, I mostly agree with what you are saying about prices.
but again, I do think that recessions will be the majority of future years, so I agree that oil surpluses will emerge (and often) and prices will often feel downward pressure.
final:
I agree with your thoughts on electrification.
A reduction in oil supply reduces demand as well as supply of goods and services. I agree with David. The IEA’s forecast for demand are absurd.
I expect that we will likely be in a popping debt bubble. That will bring down debt, industry and jobs. Also oil prices.
Well, obviously demand cannot exceed supply in any physical sense, so the debate is rather tautological when framed in that manner. Instead of “demand” for oil in 2025, think of it more as “need” for oil in 2025. Covid has slowed things down a bit too, but not so much that we should not expect a large gap to emerge between production and the needs of the economy.
it could also be an unfulfilled “want” for oil in 2025.
but your view has merit, though I still expect the gap to be smaller than “the experts” think, because they are assuming no recessions through 2025, while I am expecting the next 5 years will have more recession years than growth years.
From Gail’s article: “The US instituted Quantitative Easing (QE) at the end of 2008. QE acted to lower interest rates. With the help of QE, the price of oil gradually rose again. When the US discontinued QE in late 2014, oil prices fell.”
“Post hoc, ergo propter hoc” is a well known logical fallacy. Prices fell in 2014 because Saudi Arabia stopped offsetting rises in shale oil extraction with production cuts in their own fields.
Further, the Fed is entirely able to bring down rates across the board by narrowly targeting the Fed funds rate (the rate at which banks make overnight loans to each other). After bringing down the FFR by buying the very shortest term collateral, other buyers starting buying longer maturities to get the yield they want, they driving down yields all through the curve. For that purpose, QE becomes redundant.
The aim behind QE is to induce more bank lending (which is new money creation) by giving banks more reserves with which they are required to back the new deposits that are created in the banking system by bank lending. However, it has failed–at least in Japan (for 20 years now), the US, and Europe. The experiences of some emerging market countries may be different.
“The intention of the Bank of England’s program of quantitative easing is to increase the quantity of money by direct transactions between it and non-banks. Strange though it may sound, monetary expansion could occur even if bank lending to the private sector were contracting. In its essence the mechanism at work is very simple, that the Bank of England adds money to the bank accounts of holders of government securities to pay for these securities. . . . ”
https://standpointmag.co.uk/the-unnecessary-recession-features-june-09-tim-congdon-gordon-brown-alistair-darling/
I cannot speak for the practices of the BoE, perhaps they have conducted matters differently–or perhaps the author of the story, Tim Congdon, just has the story wrong. He seems to be either confused or disingenuous when he writes: “it must be emphasised that “the money supply” consists of deposits, not loans. The money supply and bank lending are different things.” It is irresponsible to describe matters this way without also informing his readers that deposits are created or expanded when money is loaned into existence by the banks. Banks are required to keep a certain level of reserves with which to back the new deposits created by bank lending. QE increases those reserves and thus allows the banks to increase lending under the rules that govern the banking system.
Last year I saw a video clip of Jerome Powell himself when he was before, I seem to recall, Congress where he referred to QE as “money printing,” but challenged on the point corrected himself and described the process as I have described it in my blog comments here, and not as Mr. Congdon described it in that 2009 article for “Standpoint” magazine in the UK. Multiple other sources agree with Jerome Powell’s explanation of QE, and not with Tim Congdon’s version.
“QE increases those reserves and thus allows the banks to increase lending under the rules that govern the banking system.”
Chair Jerome Powell says:
“’it interferes with the
03:19 process of credit intermediation that
03:22 banks undergo they take in deposits they
03:24 lend it out ”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtixgCEEt_4
However.
“Saving does not by itself increase the deposits or ‘funds available’ for banks to lend. Indeed, viewing banks simply as intermediaries ignores the fact that, in reality in the modern economy, commercial banks are the creators of deposit money. This article explains how, rather than banks lending out deposits that are placed with them, the act of lending creates deposits — the reverse of the sequence typically described in textbooks.”
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/quarterly-bulletin/2014/money-creation-in-the-modern-economy.pdf?la=en&hash=9A8788FD44A62D8BB927123544205CE476E01654
The BIS says:
“… we argue that the typical strong emphasis on the role of the expansion of bank reserves in discussions of unconventional monetary policies is misplaced. In our view, the effectiveness of such policies is not much affected by the extent to which they rely on bank reserves as opposed to alternative close substitutes, such as central bank short-term debt. In particular, changes in reserves associated with unconventional monetary policies do not in and of themselves loosen significantly the constraint on bank lending or act as a catalyst for inflation …
In fact, the level of reserves hardly figures in banks’ lending decisions. The amount of credit outstanding is determined by banks’ willingness to supply loans, based on perceived risk-return trade-offs, and by the demand for those loans. The aggregate availability of bank reserves does not constrain the expansion directly.”
http://www.bis.org/publ/work292.pdf?noframes=1
“Thus it can now be said with confidence for the first time – possibly in the 5000 years’ history of banking – that it has been empirically demonstrated that each individual bank creates credit and money out of nothing, when it extends what is called a ‘bank loan’. The bank does not loan any existing money, but instead creates new money. The money supply is created as ‘fairy dust’ produced by the banks out of thin air.32 The implications are far-reaching.’ “
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1057521914001070
Re: your quote from Powell:
Chair Jerome Powell says:
“’it interferes with the
03:19 process of credit intermediation that
03:22 banks undergo they take in deposits they
03:24 lend it out ”
Powell in this context was then talking about negative interest rates (which he opposes), not QE.
However, I would also say there is no evidence I am aware of that QE has any effect on bank lending under current conditions in advanced economies. The “problem” is that, regardless of how many bank reserves are available to back the deposits created by increased lending, banks still want to get repaid! That is priority number one for them.
I am sure Powell must understand this, and the other central bankers as well, but they still value QE for its supposed psychological effect. They always make high profile announcements before they do it, or sometimes high profile announcements just to say they are standing by, just in case, ready to do it in unlimited amounts “if needed,” just to buoy the confidence of businessmen, investors, and consumers, who apparently don’t understand that QE is more show than substance.
The Fed thinks like Keynes and FDR that “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself,” that is, they believe that fear of a recession among the public will become a self-fulfilling prophecy, thus their prioritization of maintaining public “confidence,” even if they have to do it with smoke and mirrors.
low interest brings foirward future consumption
Payback is a bet on the creditor having an income in the future.
More loans is a good idea in the short run but in the end someone will have to wirte it off. Anyhow, Just digibits as RE says. In the meantime we all enjoyed our last days of BAU.
“In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, the Federal Reserve reduced the reserve requirement ratio to zero across all deposit tiers, effective March 26, 2020. This aim of this reduction was to jump-start the economy by allowing banks to use additional liquidity to lend to individuals and businesses.”
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/requiredreserves.asp
So since March 2020, QE is not even theoretically necessary for inducing more bank lending in the U.S. Banks can lend as much as they want. Yet the Fed is QE-ing as if there’s no tomorrow…
‘Compulsory vaccination’: Moscow Communist MP takes aim at mayor for ending pensioners’ free transport until they get Covid-19 jab
Controversial Russian Communist MP Valery Rashkin has asked the country’s General Prosecutor’s Office to investigate if Moscow is legally allowed to refuse free travel to pensioners who have not been vaccinated against Covid-19.
Last year, the city’s Mayor Sergey Sobyanin, from the pro-Vladimir Putin United Russia party, decided to block the social cards of the elderly, forcing them to pay for travel until they get inoculated. According to Rashkin, the Communist leader in the capital, this is tantamount to compulsory vaccination.
“The mayor’s decree violates the rights of citizens of the city of Moscow over 65 years of age to discount travel on public transport by blocking social cards,” Rashkin wrote in a letter to the General Prosecutor. “For a long time, pensioners have not been able to use public transport [making them] cut off from life, or are forced to buy a Troika card to pay their fare.”
https://www.rt.com/russia/516579-communists-covid19-jab-pensioners-free-transport/
The fact Russian govs are on the deal-stitch to some extent as well could be explained in several top scenarios, it will be interesting to watch how this eventually pans out..
A/ consensual global depop-degrowth deal reached
B/ inner faction forced depop agenda (gullible “Asians”)
C/ “finishing off” strike (fake) unloaded on the West (“Asian” home turf + frenemies ala HU/AUT/Serbia/.. allowed using ~placebo) while the W bamboozled to stick with self immolating [A-B] aka the ultimate master plan:
Byzantium(+) rulez past IC collapse v2.0 (again for a while)
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Place your bets, e.g. : A(50%), B(35%), C(15% )
China must have as much interest in disposing of their own old and lame as any other industrial state.
Well, let them play their games. They are all mortal and will never be anything else, whatever their fantasies may be.
@worldofhanumanotg, You forgot “Possibility D:” risky and desperate decision making that has nothing to do with an alleged conspiracy to mass exterminate much of the world (an alleged conspiracy that has literally no documentation to back it–“depopulation” is not a synonym for mass extermination). These sorts of unsubstantiated and far-fetched speculations give legitimate conspiracy theorists a bad name.
Legitimate conspiracy theorists!!!
That’s a good one!
Are they ordained like priests? Do they have a nifty little card they whipp out to prove their bona fides?
53 million abortions every year. They don’t count as deaths. But it adds up to a few less lives.
56 million deaths every year and that could easily be tweaked upward without too much effort. Starvation works just fine.
I think you’re completely and utterly deluded if you think there is no documentation or planning or proof that certain agencies and science “clubs” throughout the centuries have not attempted to educate others on the need for population control and reduction. The eugenics society, mass sterilisation groups, etc are certainly soft attempts at population control
https://bpr.berkeley.edu/2020/11/04/americas-forgotten-history-of-forced-sterilization/
Induced massacres (africa) (world wars) are more blatant attempts to incite groups to kill each other leading to mass death. Mostly avoidable but cannot be outruled as pop reduction methods.
Anyone talking about humanity as a whole today inevitably gets around to the topic of “too many useless eaters.” Didn’t Kissinger and others use the phrase often?
Up to a point, globalists and servile nation states can apply softer measures such as one child policies, sterilisation, lifestyle choices and so on. But it looks like we’re reaching the point where more urgency is required. Or we are in fact undergoing collapse and nature will efficiently take care of the rest.
Conspiracies exist. That’s a fact. And anyone can play around with theories. Sorting out what is true and not true, what is propaganda, dogma, a psychological operation, or none of the above is the interesting game. Most people don’t care at all about such things. They have much better things to get on with such as watching tv.
In the end, I don’t think it matters too much that some may deliberately try to control numbers of humans. These policies fall by the wayside in comparison to natural forces (Gail’s self-organising systems) and these forces of nature will probably cull the herd very effectively once a tipping point is reached.
Nehemiah, you deserve a bit of support. Yes, sadly there is no visible humane putting down of the excess herd. It seems to be going with the standard four horsemen. We have not even seen a decent clearing out of nursing homes.
Dr Isaacs End of The World Speech
Very good…let’s fast forward many centuries …
Dr. Zaius Was Right ….highlights of his pronouncements of the plague called Man…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3q6V_YtQ0pY&t=124s
Rather well said IMO
Hail Caesar! One of the greatest movie speeches of all time:
Thanks, Can’t recall seeing that one.
Googled, sorry Jesse, list of apocalyptic films and the 1970s produced a host of great flicks!
Omega Man, Soylent Green, Silent Running, Karma’s, Westworld,
The Andromeda Strain and the Late Great Planet Earth
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2WJjxoKJ8
Cool, loved the 70s, decade of my Youth! Remember the “Energy Crisis”….that was a close call….
With IQ scores in the developed world now falling slightly over a point per decade on average (the Flynn Effect can no longer hide the decline), I would say the Planet of the Apes scenario is not many generations away.
UK lighthouse laboratories testing for SARS-COV-2 may have breached WHO Emergency Use Assessment and potentially violated Manufacturer Instructions for Use
http://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2021/02/uk-lighthouse-laboratories-testing-for.html
Testing for COVID becomes less accurate as there are more new variations, and they start testing for only one gene, instead of three.
The Israeli Mutant, the IDF prophecy and the Reality on the Ground
https://gilad.online/writings/2021/2/25/the-israeli-mutant-the-idf-prophecy-and-the
Michael, vaccination with the Pfizer non vaccine seems to be associated with new “mutants” almost worldwide. I strongly suspect the issue is not correlation but causation. Remember, Pfizer has released more killer vaccines than any other company in the world. If you want to know why, look up the story of Shabbatai Zevi.
Perhaps these vaccines do encourage mutation.
Excellent fodder for the CovIDIOTS who will now claim the old Covid mainly hit the old/dying demographic but New and Improved Covid-21 is more a young and healthy killer.
Is it not amusing to listen to these CovIDIOTS parrot exactly what they hear on the news.
Just because they can speak – do not assume intelligence.
I wonder how they will react when the breaking news announces ‘people are dropping like flies because of the unanticipated side effects of the Covid vaccines…. Dr Fauci expressed sadness that tens of millions are dying each day but refused to take responsibility (credit?) … stating that ‘we had not choice — we had to release the vaccines without any testing because it was an emergency’
So Anthony Fauci is now spewing that tens of millions are dying each day from this BS virus? What a tool. Just keep making the lie bigger and bigger so the Covid more-ons will be screaming for their vaccine jab.
@rodster, Fast Eddy was using satire. It’s not an actual quote.
Moderna boss: mRNA jabs are “rewriting the Genetic Code” we call it “information therapy”
I didn’t bother watching, but I did enjoy the description at the bottom: “Rewriting the Genetic Code: A Cancer Cure in the Making.” My, my, the Anointed do get a thrill by blatantly teasing us, ha ha!
Here’s a nice clarification by the talented Nina Paley concerning what the actual cancer is on this planet:
“The Wit & Wisdom of Cancer” — 4 minutes
Nice, hard-hitting subtlety on Paley’s part concerning human overpopulation . . . too bad only about 20 of us actually took the subject seriously from 1970 on . . .
It was more than 20, but the issue fell out of favor because overpopulation concerns began to be viewed as “racist.” Also, they would logically lead to immigration restriction, and that would reduce growth in the base of environmentalists’ preferred political party. Thus, “mainstream” environmentalists now reject “Malthusianism.” Instead of advocating an unavoidable return to simplicity and poverty and de-urbanization, they have mostly reversed course and advocate more intense urbanization and alternative forms of energy that will allow us to continue “business as usual.” I think it is because, after the fall of the USSR and the Communists’ need to find an alternative strategy, there has been an ideological merger of environmentalism with Marxism, and Marxism is traditionally pro-growth and pro-industrialization.
And the gas ovens in Auschwitz were a form of spa treatment for Jews.
Have you seen the latest interview with Dmitry Orlov (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUPXYoOHiyg&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=PieroSanGiorgio)?
One thing that he mentioned was that the covid scare is tapped out and the western govs are looking for something else to cover up the collapse.
That is not my impression here in US so I wonder if Dmitry looks at Russia and China (where everything is open) and does not realize that the western powers can milk this crisis for a lot longer.
So I have two questions:
– Is it possible that there will be stronger pushback to permanent lockdowns? I don’t see it.
– Any ideas on what they can use next? I know they sent some smoke signals about aliens but that is not emotional enough. So will it be terrorism (of the redneck variety)? Or a nuclear threat? Or an oil crisis?
It might just simply be direct authoritarianism with no excuses. In US for example they already do that with the military occupation of Washington DC (nobody mentions it anymore).
I get the impression that the scare-mongering in the UK has lost it’s edge and people are desperate to get back to some kind of normality.
If you read the comments in papers like The Daily Mail then it’s clear that the public will not tolerate lockdown for much longer. And they aren’t afraid anymore.
I don’t read the Daily Mail, or any other newspaper these days, but I get the impression that the Daily Mail is the only UK newspaper that it not toeing the usual pro-vaccines propaganda claptrap line. The black sheep of the MSM family if you like. Most people I know are well and truly hooked by the propaganda coming out of the govt and the BBC, sheople.
Try telling shepple you tyrned down the vaccine!
I won’t go out of my way, but if anyone asks I will repeat what Dr. David Martin says in his radio interview “It’s Gene Therapy, Not a Vaccine”, with respect to mRNA ‘vaccines’:
“The problem is that in the case of Moderna and Pfizer, this is not a vaccine. This is gene therapy. It’s a chemotherapy agent that is gene therapy. It is not a vaccine. What is this doing? It’s sending a strand of synthetic RNA into the human being and is invoking within the human being, the creation of the S1 spike protein, which is a pathogen. It’s a toxin inside of human beings. This is not only not keeping you from getting sick, it’s making your body produce the thing that makes you sick.”
“… People are getting it [CV!9 symptoms] more from the ‘vaccine’?
Yes. You will get COVID-19 symptoms from getting the gene therapy passed off as a vaccine. You will get COVID symptoms from that 80% of the time. If you’re exposed to SARS-CoV-2 according to RT-PCR, 80% of the time, you will have no symptoms at all.
…It’s a gene therapy technology. That’s Moderna’s own definition.”
i.e. the mRNA gene therapies have been developed over the last 20 years or so as a cancer treatment but never released for public use because they were considered too dangerous.
Of course, at least one vaccine available here in the UK is not of the mRNA type.
Oh you mean Astrazeneca? Just banned in Switzerland following other countries that have also restricted it’s use.
The only way the CEP (compassionate extinction plan) goes off the rails is if the military revolts…
Heaven help us if that happens… 8B people will be ripping faces off and roasting babies.
It’s highly unlike the military will not obey… they’ve had obedience drilled into them and they are just as fearful as Covid as most people.
They are refusing these gene therapy drugs though. They are not that stupid and still have constitutional rights. Historically speaking they have been experimented on probably more than most.
Wait til doctors and nurses, teachers and police are all lined for their jabs. Most will end up kicking up a fuss. That’s going to really throw a spanner in the works for the drug pushers!
The vice will tighten on those who refuse… UK is already threatening to suspend anti Covaxx doctors… that will convince many of them to take the jab… for the hard core there will likely be fines… eternal lockdowns…
We will no doubt get a few Ted Kaczynski types featured — crazy anti-vax brain surgeons … featured on the NYT weekend magazine…
The mockery will be epic…
Those who resist will be few and far between… ultimately it does not matter… everyone dies.
Coming to a UNVAXXED Quarantine Center near you. Maybe an UNVAXXED tattoo on your forehead.
Keep in mind, in Soviet Russia, there were a fair number of dissenters… just as there those who are not on board with this Covid nonsense… but the dissenters ended up in the gulag.
So long as the majority remain in their CovIDIOCY… the Elders will be able to executive on the CEP …
Let’s hope that the gerbils to not get wind of plan…
Thanks for sharing. That was an interesting watch.
Orlov is obviously regurgitating Fast Eddy’s theory.
Well, there is a fork in the collapse theory..
1/ Orlov assumes full gamut of zones-spheres attempting quasi autarky in terms of resources and maintain-able level of IC, and obviously areas succumbing to sheer chaos. He identifies ongoing plandemonium as merely tactical ploy to usher the reset with some bearing on the mortality rate
2/ FE predicts fast universal depop very soon
3/ Others see some mix – combination of these two in terms of timing and regional agendas at play
I see some mix. But it gets really hard to ignore the global interconnectivity of everything in our hyper complex world. At some point… the whole thing grinds to a halt. Some will continue growing their greens and beans but only until the hordes arrive to pick their bones clean.
And I have a 700IQ and I am right – and he is wrong.
I also have a contact who gets it on with the wife of an Elder and she leaks bits and pieces to him that get passed to me
Orlov: I do expect decentralization to take hold as energy available to the economy declines. Some existing states will break into smaller units because it will be harder for states to maintain control. More areas than today will slide into lawlessness, or the law of the clan. Think of Somalia, or some parts of the Middle East. I do not agree that most of the current chaos and disorder is a tactical ploy. The rulers might want to temporarily destabilize particular states (such as the US effort to destabilize Syria, and, less successfully, Iran, and not successfully at all, Russia), but they do not want to destabilize the world. It is not in their interest.
Speaking of Russia, after the fall of the USSR, I kept seeing these repeated predictions in various US publications that Russia was about to fall into civil war and break apart. It was inevitable! It never happened, yet the predictions kept cropping up for years. I was left scratching my head because this forecast had obviously not happened, did not even appear to be brewing that I could see, yet it kept getting repeated. A number of years after the press finally got embarrassed enough to stop making this failed forecast, I read in an allegedly informed (American) source that the US state department’s plan had been all along (and perhaps still is) to foment a civil war in Russia and break the country up into numerous small states, with the area around Moscow becoming just a small, landlocked mini-state, among numerous others. This way the other states of Europe would never again have to fear the Russian colossus to their east.
FE/rapid depop: well, it depends on what one means by “rapid.” I expect the depopulation to proceed in fits and starts as the supply of energy and critical minerals declines. I’m not happy about it, but I don’t see any way to prevent it.
The plus side: globe-spanning wars become less likely, since they require a lot of energy. Liberal cultural values, which I view as clearly dysfunctional, will fall out of favor as de-urbanization proceeds and as welfare states are gradually replaced by dependence on the extended family.
Also, during periods when pressures are relaxed and populations can expand for a while, the strictest religions will have the fastest population growth, just as they do now. I don’t see birth control of some kind ever going away. Pandora’s box has been opened. Even something as low tech as natural family planning has gotten as effective as the pill. Most children will be born to people who really want them, and those are disproportionately found in strict religious communities.
– Any ideas on what they can use next? I know they sent some smoke signals about aliens but that is not emotional enough. So will it be terrorism (of the redneck variety)? Or a nuclear threat? Or an oil crisis?
It’s always interesting to put yourself in the hollywood scriptwriter’s shoes and conjure up the next card to play from the deck.
Terrorist attack is kinda burned out after 9/11 but in good Tom Clancy fashion you could rework the script along the lines of homegrown “John Brown’s Army” militia retaliation for election theft etc etc.
Not Emotional Enough!
Hmmm… depends how you write it!
The alien contact card has been prepped for a hundred years and yet to play that card now would require a very well crafted plot. The audience is more sophisticated in this subject matter than the deadly contagious virus theme. Thousands of hours of sci-fi and disclosure witness testimony consumed as entertainment is easier to swallow than actual science and history of viruses.
There is certainly a plot to reveal a messianic type of alien arrival – probably a genetically engineered humanoid if you want to have an actual organic being to poke and prod.
Holographic projection has been improving but I don’t think it would fool enough people all the time at this stage in our journey although some would willingly fall for anything just to alleviate boredom.
Nuclear threat is fairly similar in that the fear has been maintained without actually having to reveal anything. At this point, someone would have to prove that nukes work according to the packaging instuctions otherwise it’s all smoke and mirrors (and firebombing).
Lockdowns, restricting travel, provide cover for food shortages and other deliberate sabotage of supply chains. Shipping stops, trucks stop, power down, food riots, martial law, camps, etc until full breakdown of IC.
One thing that people are not really commenting on has to do with the damage that will show up within a year or two from mass mask wearing for long periods of time. Neurologists have very clearly stated that millions of people especially children will show signs of brain damage and lung vessel damage as time goes by. Because it is not immediate people have been fooled into a sense of safety when wearing masks. Lowering your oxygen levels in this way causes permanent damage and even encourages cancer without the user noticing. The damage is already done in millions of people. The effects will be devastating when they arrive.
Another scripting approach could be spiritual – either benign or malevolent. Many feel that an evil spirit has already decended on the human race and hijacked the minds and bodies of everyone (on the left!) and turned away from God and christ etc etc. Do as thou wilt – unchained liberalism – leading to arrogant narcisitic behaviour that pisses off the restrained conservatives. Eventually, the dma breaks and a civil war ensues ressulting in mas death and destruction.
Then the real Jesus returns but there’s no one left to save.
Bacteria inherit the earth.
In terms of “terr0rist attacks”, certain avenues remain to be explored.
1) North Korean agents poison the water supply systems and people start to die like flies. NK is nuked, but not before crushing Tokyo, etc..
2) “Foreign government attack” causes an internet shutdown.
3) Cirurgical attacks on the grid causes “temporary” blackout.
etc.
2) “Foreign government attack” causes an internet shutdown.
3) Cirurgical attacks on the grid causes “temporary” blackout.
etc.
I agree these methods are very likely. But also self inflicted as false flags.
Mini subs are clear and present danger now too. Used by drug cartels. I hear their is strong co-op between sinaloa, venezuela, and iran for shipping of material.
“I agree these methods are very likely. But also self inflicted as false flags.”
I was implying that. In fact, i believe most if not all terr0rist attacks in this century were false-flags. Terr0rism is mainly a political weapon for domestic use, as G. Sanguinetti explained about Italy in the 1970s,
And if the deep state managed to control the narrative in relation to 9-eleven and covid (without even mentioning prevent events), they must now feel that everything is possible to them. Human credulity assures them that anything goes and the sky is the limit.
previous events
It’s not worn off. The conditioning is now mostly complete – most people want the lethal injection .. those who refuse are being coerced… The CEP should be mostly complete by summer
You are probably correct. Official figures indicate just over a third of adults in Scotland vaccinated already, plans to do the rest soon in the making. But I think mostly not mRNA vaccines, not here anyway.
most people want the lethal injection
From my independent observation of the local fauna it appears that I am now living in a suicidal death cult.
I am genuinely shocked at how dumb people are and I don’t really see them as human beings anymore. Something else. Something lesser. Empty vessels readying themselves for the harvest. And I don’t care.
Does that make me a psychopath now?
They are just stoopid…they don’t know any better.
The lemmings don’t know what they are doing either….
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ovWf5oDWOSU/WDBsCHqKb_I/AAAAAAABB6E/CPIATKkl6iEaFUEcbtyVq8_cgFbukCDIQCLcB/s1600/lemmings_1.jpg
The troops in Washington are not the regular military, but the National Guard, who on the whole seem more able to think for themselves and are more like traditional patriots. I suspect the oligarchs cowering behind barbed wire in the “People’s House” are in more danger with the troops present than they would be were the troops absent.
Said by a Coastal Ranger acquaintance of mine; the regular conscripts is of no worry, however, the Swedish “national guard” (hemvärnet) always gave them the chills during exercises. Nothing worse than motivated middle aged men and women taking shit seriously because vested interests in this thing called life, of which many are hunters with an interest in the military. Usually people of some dignity and principle.
Julia Roberts to Present ‘Award of Courage’ to Her ‘Personal Hero’ Anthony Fauci
“You have been a beacon for us, and so, for me it is such a great thrill to represent amfAR in presenting this to you,” said Julia Roberts, who is presenting Fauci with amfAR’s Award of Courage at the organization’s virtual “A Gala for Our Time” event on March 4, according to a report by People. “There’s just no one more deserving, and you’ve been tireless, and true for all of us, and I just want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart.”
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/02/25/julia-roberts-to-present-award-of-courage-to-her-personal-hero-anthony-fauci/
See how the PR team can call on famous people to add credibility to the Big Lie….
These strategies were developed by Bernays and many levels of sophistication have been added over the years…
Teams of psychologists have also thoroughly tested the techniques on humans making adjustments as required.
Is it a surprise that they are so easily able to control nearly everyone? Particularly when you recognize that humans are not any smarter than a rat …. they are just able to perform more complex tricks like driving and speaking….
When oil price Will be 100 Will be Collapse
When collaps?
The great tribulation will have to wait another day, maybe years Marco.
The Great Tribulation – like Collapse itself – is already here, we are living it.
Am rather looking forward to the Second Coming as long as it hasn’t been faked by the MIC……
@Marco, Collapse will BEGIN after world oil production (conventional and unconventional) passes its all time peak. However, it will be a drawn out process, not an instantaneous event. 50 years from now, the world’s population will be smaller and poorer.
Stock market very bad today
Global supply chains can break down through tit for tat measures as economies turn hostile and ‘trade wars’ escalate. China also controls 98% of the export of the rare earths required in electric cars and ‘green tech’. USA is scrambling to get its ‘allies’ like Australia to produce other sources. It seems likely that hostilities will worsen collapse.
> China targets rare earth export curbs to hobble US defence industry
China is exploring limiting the export of rare earth minerals that are crucial for the manufacture of American F-35 fighter jets and other sophisticated weaponry, according to people involved in a government consultation.
The Ministry of Industry and Information Technology last month proposed draft controls on the production and export of 17 rare earth minerals in China, which controls about 80 per cent of global supply.
The Chinese move follows deteriorating Sino-US relations and an emerging technology war between the two countries. The Trump administration tried to make it harder for Chinese companies to import sensitive US technology, such as high-end semiconductors. The Biden administration has signalled that it would also restrict certain exports but would work more closely with allies.
https://www.ft.com/content/d3ed83f4-19bc-4d16-b510-415749c032c1
Competition is heating up.
> Biden admin suppresses China amid its claimed ‘fiercely competitive’ relations; shrinking economic gap unnerves Washington
The recent moves by the Joe Biden administration to curb China’s economic and tech rise mirrors a “mentality collapse” among US political elites, who – having identified relations with China as one of “fierce competition” – are now sparing no efforts in the “final China push” to consolidate its edge as an early starter in the world economy.
The US still enjoys an advantage over China in chips, new materials, software and operating systems, yet China has managed to bridge the gap or even surpass the US in 5G, new energy, aerospace, and even niche industries such as drones in the past decades. Such a drastically narrowing gap between the world’s two largest economies has further unnerved Washington, with “China threat” rhetoric resurfacing, taking a shot at the economic sphere.
Take 5G. Starting 2015, China built the world’s largest 5G networks, with 5G base stations reaching 700,000 units to date, accounting for about 70 percent of the world’s share. That compares with 50,000 in the US, according to data as of the end of 2020 from research firm International Business Strategies.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202102/1216458.shtml
If you give me an unlimited credit card I can look really cool and do a lot of stuff too.
Isn’t China on the road to collapse too?
Oh darling, not to worry.
Chinese refiners cool on crude purchases as oil futures rally
https://www.reuters.com/article/asia-oil/chinese-refiners-cool-on-crude-purchases-as-oil-futures-rally-idUSL4N2KV144
China’s Oil Reserves Are Close to Reaching Storage Capacity
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/china-s-oil-reserves-are-close-to-reaching-storage-capacity-1.1569123
The Covid Outbreak: “Biggest Health Scam of the 21st Century.” Report by 1500 Health Professionals
By United Health Professionals, February 25 2021
We are health professionals of the international collective : United Health Professionals, composed of more than 1,500 members (including professors of medicine, intensive care physicians and infectious disease specialists) from different countries of Europe, Africa, America, Asia and Oceania.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-covid-outbreak-biggest-health-scam-of-the-21st-century-report-by-1500-health-professionals/5737838
It is the biggest scam possibly ever, even bigger than Colin Powell holding up what turned out to be a bag of laundry detergent while speaking to Congress on why the USSA should invade Iraq and remove Saddam Hussein as proof he had weapons of mass destruction.
Regardless, Big Tech will not allow this sort of dissension so the masses continued to be conditioned why this virus which has a kill rate of 0.02% (pretty much the same as seasonal flu) is not that big a deal.
So they continue with the big lie to put fear in the masses so much so that people are willingly ready to take an unproven, rush to market chemical cocktail to ward off this virus. The bigger picture is that they can keep the fear going as they tell the dumb @sses that the new strain is even more deadly and they need more chemical cocktails in their body.
And where does it really stop? How about when Covid BS19 has played itself out and they create another fearful virus. It will never end. It’s like agreeing to pay a ransom because it just encourages them to do it again and again.
What is this virus you speak of?
You mean the virus that has yet to be isolated and purified?
No virus – no demonstration that the virus causes disease in human cells.
And certainly no unique symptoms that can be attributed to a novel pathogen.
All we have is a PCR that if cycled high enough will deliver a positive for background material that doesn’t proof the existence of a complete virus genome.
A few base pairs does not a virus make! The missing 30,000 are modeled on a computer – in silico. Every, single, time.
It’s time this whole industry of fraud was brought to its knees. We have been under its spell for far too long.
As i’ve said, it’s all BS. The fear and hysteria been manufactured and overblown. It sounds like you are in agreement with me and Fast Eddy.
When are you guys going to stop spreading disinfo by citing the most low ball numbers and discredited research you can find? Fatality rate in those infected is much higher than seasonal flu based on multiple studies, AND it is far more contagious than seasonal flu, which would lead to many more deaths even if its fatality rate were not higher than typical flu’s. And, yes, this particular coronavirus, just like the other 5 coronaviruses that infect humans, has been repeatedly isolated and its genome decoded–again, multiple times. I don’t know why we keep going over these same points. Spreading these false memes just helps the virus spread and puts more people at risk as a result.
I call and your raise your BS. The numbers put out by the CDC when an individual has actually died “FROM” Covid and not “with” are in line with the seasonal flu.
The big problem is your fear mongering Covid crowd likes to lump those who died “with” and “from” Covid in the same group.
They’ll do whatever it takes to make their numbers look good and to continue the fear, panic and hysteria.
If Covid was such a killer than MLB, NBA, NHL and NFL players would be dying left and right. If you listen to a lot of these athletes who have tested positive for Covid they will tell you their symptoms are usually mild to moderate, you know like your typical seasonal cold or flu. They recover and they are back to normal. But your side loves to create even more fear, panic and hysteria by insinuating that those who have had Covid, have also had long term organ damage as a result. Again, panic and fear without any proof.
And here’s how I know it’s all BS to scare the public because AGING produces “long term” organ damage. In other words your organs will fail and you will die with or without Covid as you get older.
I’m starting to cringe every time I hear or see the words “Stay Safe” and “We’re in this together”. I’m now taking it upon myself to thank a person on the street every time I see them NOT wearing a “face diaper”.
Approximately 400 people without co-morbidities have died FROM covid in the UK…
Everyone else was already dying from something else… a bad cold or a mild flu would have tipped them over… in the past if they died WITH the flu or a cold — the death certificate and tombstone would not be labelled Here Lies ___ He Died from a Cold
When are you going to stop ignoring that Sweden is not in the top death in Covid deaths per capita…
And they have not locked down or mandated face masks.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
Please ignore this as well and get your vaccine ASAP…. if I get invited I will be happy to let you jump the queue in my place 🙂
https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/22/synthetic-mrna-covid-vaccines-a-risk-benefit-analysis/
You guys?
Disinfo?
Discredited research?
Well well well… this should be interesting!
Fatality rate?
Of what?
56 million people die every year
most from heart disease
cancer
medical malpractice
respiratory diseases – mostly caused by pollution, tabaco
accidents
50 million abortions
what’s your point? Why not winge and whine about these major killers?
Not the 0.003% rounding error of something going on in the background.
Of those infected?
Infected with what?
A positive PCR is not proof of infection with a virus. Detection of background material amplified beyond reasonable levels to create more than 94% false positives.
PCR is null and void accordiing to inventor Kay Mullis therefore all testing using said method is null and void. Zero positives.
Symptomology matches regular flu and cold symptoms plus emphysema etc.
So what? Treat with latest proven methods and done. No fuss.
Again, these symptoms already exist. Just rebranding to create fear and drug sales.
Based on multiple studies? Who is funding those studies?
Far more contagious?
Maybe in your imagination! Viral contagion has never been proven, not even measles. So you would win a nobel if you can prove this.
Disease manifests in groups due to sympathetic effects and seasonal processes of detoxifying. Mass malnutrition events, low D3, toxic environments etc.
You can map these very easily to Wuhan, North Italy and other high pollution areas where you will see high incidence of pneumonias etc.
repeatedly isolated and its genome decoded
Again debunked each and every time – the studies were not done properly following protocol and peer reviewed.
Isolation as a term has been basterdised by these criminal frauds in order to commit fraud on a level never seen.
Not purified – toxins in soup where virus is supposedly contained poison monkey kidney cells and that’s that. No proof of damage to human cells whatsoever.
We have to keep going over these same points because people are still spreading lies and propaganda to unwitting souls who believe everything on tv.
Top experts worldwide have been repeatedly censored from all media for a whole year – virologists, microbiologists, vp of Pfizer, head of diagnostic testing in spain – all calling bullcrap on this nonsense but they are NOT allowed to speak.
But you are allowed to spread the lies of an incredibly corrupt and vile industry that should have never existed were it not for Louis Pasteur – the psycho who took the money to invent something to terrorise people with.
More people at risk? Of what?
Permanent damage due to low oxygen levels from mask wearing?
Not being able to socialise with family and friends like normal human beings?
Never trusting politicians, police, doctors, teachers ever again?
Of living in ignorance?
Of suffering from germophobia – a mental illness?
There is no pandemic. The sooner you realise this the sooner you can move on with your life and prepare for real threats like societal collapse.
Never well said, Tsubion!
Keep going, amigo!
Yes! Absolutely in agreement and sick and tired of seeing zombies walking, running, cycling and driving around with designer masks strapped tight to their face, their beady, anxious little eyes shooting lasers at anyone that dares to breathe the good old fashioned way.
From my research, there’s a lot more rabbit hole to go down with this particular subject and millions of curious types are now alerted to it and willing to dig.
I’m hopeful that the entire edifice of Big Pharma could collapse but then we’ve been waiting for collapse for a while around here…
Rodster wrote: “The numbers put out by the CDC when an individual has actually died “FROM” Covid and not “with” are in line with the seasonal flu. ”
If you are going to make that qualification, then you will ALSO have to make it for those who die “with” versus “from” seasonal flu, which will drive seasonal flu death data much lower too, and thus keeping covid as a more deadly killer.
AND you will have to make the same qualification for people who die “with” versus “from” the covid vaccine. There were very few problems in the test subjects because they were all super healthy to begin with. You will now have to start telling us how the vaccine almost never kills anyone because those who die after receiving it are really dying from “other” causes. You are forcing yourself to become a defender of the very vaccine you fear!
Nehe
1. I don’t need a vaccine thank you very much my immune system is at 100% you can have my doses for the next year if you so wish.
2. I agree 100% that there’s no real way to know what people die from (other than autopsy but even then…)
there’s a lot of false attribution going around especially in the older participants in this live experiment. But it’s understandable that people jump to conclusions when they see old age patients that were previously problem free suddenly drop like flies.
Again, the reporting of any deaths or adverse effects from now on is going to be portrayed in different ways to different groups.
From or with the gene therapy? Who knows. In the old you can say that they were going to die anyway. In the young, you can say that that also happens. it’s just an unfortunate rare occurence.
The main issue remains that not one single human being on this planet requires these medical products. They have been coerced into participating in a mass experiment. We shall see the results soon enough. But some of the adverse reactions would have been prevented if that’s of any interest.
I’d love to know more about how you define “peak oil.” Is it the King Hubbert version, the currently popular politicized version or something in between? I suspect it’s probably not Hubbert, because if it was it wouldn’t have been in the presentation. Hubbert is a production theory only. It has nothing to do with consumption. Just curious. Hoping you can elaborate.
Peak oil that I am talking about is the belief system that has grown up over the years. It melds together the wrong beliefs of economists with some of what Hubbert said.
It was also convenient for the sustainability groups to believe that fossil fuels would be around practically indefinitely, but at high prices. This way, the focus could be on “using less” rather than developing new systems that could work without fossil fuels at all.
Up until February 12, there were 15,923 recorded adverse events, including 929 deaths following injections of the experimental COVID mRNA shots by Pfizer and Moderna.
I did some searches on the data….there are basically four groups – the ones with injection site injury, the ones who got symptoms identical to covid (which killed a lot of the old people), the ones who got anaphylactic shock (which killed some), and then, most horrifying, the weird autoimmune ones that seem to cause lasting disability….there are people with sudden deafness, sudden blindness, sudden paralysis and other neurological and parkinsons type stuff, plus loads of heart attacks and strokes in young people…probably because the injection massively increases blood pressure and seems to cause tachycardia.
Here is a compilation of reported adverse events:
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/cdc-929-dead-15923-injured-reported-following-experimental-mrna-covid-injections/
If anyone likes playing with data, here is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. You can do searches, build tables and read submitted reports. https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php
People don’t realise that anyone can submit a report – you don’t need to be a medic. Because of this, a study from Harvard Medical school estimated that only 1% of adverse reactions are actually reported to VAERS. It’s still useful to get a sense of the signal, however.
In Eudravigilance database (Europe), for pfizer vaccine only:
1754 deaths
1571 recovered cases with sequelae
Also a very high count of cases not reported.
Thanks that’s interesting.
The Israel data showing deaths in older people is alarming.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Gavin_White07/status/1364897589347377153
And here is a report of adverse event data in the UK. Again, most adverse events are not reported because the public don’t know that they are entitled to report, and don’t know of the existence of the Yellow Card adverse event reporting system.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/964207/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print__1_.pdf
Also, the general public are conditioned not to report side-effects, however nasty, as they are told that ‘you may feel a bit off colour for a day or two, that’s normal.’
Thanks for putting this together. It is hard to come up with any ratio to those with the vaccines. Perhaps big organizations like Kaiser can do this, if they have records of which of their members have had the vaccine, and whether they came back for additional treatment. (If members got the vaccine elsewhere–fairly likely, I expect–it may or may not be reported back to Kaiser, however.)
Man can develop theories, anticipate consequences and act respectively. The idea of limited resources goes back to Malthus at least. We could prepare for a time with less resources. To have a metal axe or a stone makes a difference. In this case people are unable to think. It seems a religious thing. A group of superrich try to use the development to stage themselves as the super evil, saying they cause decline not overspending. That is religious fanatism. Covid seems to be a cover up of resource limits. But the limits are real if they are denied or not. We have a choice and we are deciding for the worst.
But .. but … what about the spent fuel ponds????
Oh Fast… you are so negative… we need to Think Positive!!!
Ok… I can think positive … let’s pretend they don’t exist… we can wish them away…
Eddy if they can pull off a scamdemic as you say then dumping all the hot spent fuel into the ocean will be child’s play. Not good for the ocean and sea life but your scenario of major catastrophy is gone. Whole thing could be done in a matter of weeks if necessary. Prison labour or armed forces – you pick. Maybe an ti va xx ers will make a great labour pool.
Timmy throwing all his spent fuel rods under his bed because Timmy’s mom told him to clean up his room is not a good idea. Blowing up the oceans with radioactive nuclear waste will probably OFF humans in the process because if the oceans die we won’t be too far off.
It’s the reason why TEPCO is still debating whether to dump diluted radioactive waste water into the Pacific Ocean. Is Fukushima 10 yrs old already? The gift that keeps on giving. Geez
If you want to poison the oceans forever then sure… dump away.
Check out something called convection…
I think they will do that before letting them all catch fire. Because we care. /sarc
Just bulldoze dirt on top. It can still burn but will be localized and slow.
Good idea… and to prevent the rain from washing the dirt off (keeping in mind these suckers remain dangerous for centuries) …. it is critical that the Elders put thick plastic tarps over the dirt.
Storing spent fuel rods in your refrigerator keeps them from exploding.
yes but all the suckers are not super hot. Most spent fuel has been removed from cooling pools and can be dry stored in concrete.
Yes but it’s a very slow process. If I recall there’s something like a 3 or 4 year wait period before casking is possible. Multiply by 4000 spent fuel ponds… I’m not sure how far we are along that process or if anyone is really taking it seriously due to the extra cost involved.
What we need is a fast breeder reactor surge just to burn up all the spent fuel!
Then Eddy can run around in the zombie apocalypse no worries!
If the Federal gov ever decides to use it for what it was designed for, the Yucca Mountain facility is a good enough place to store the spent fuel, despite what some people think. I just hope we don’t wait around until we have to transport the radioactive spent fuel in horse drawn wagons!
Unfortunately there is plenty of very hot fuel because they keep putting more into the reactors every day….
Oh … did I waste my time dealing with a total MORE – ON? Ah…well I already typed it so …
It was far older.
The Greeks thought the Trojan War occurred because Zeus wanted to reduce overpopulation
Is that pre old testament or after old testament cos there’s a fair bit of annihilation going on in that old book too.
Observation:
During the years of comments at OFW black swans have been mentioned many times but as far as I recall absolutely no one foresaw a scapegoat like Scam-19. Not so good at predicting are we?
CULLS 4/25/09
You look at what’s happening and try to imagine what it would take for it to all make sense.
You know that they’ve got smart people that they pay to sit around and think.
If I think of something I’ve got to know that they thought of that a long time ago.
So if I see that there are too many people, then they must have seen that a long time ago.
But we don’t see anything being done to accommodate all those people.
There’s supposed to be billions of more people coming in the next couple of decades and we’ve already got too many.
I’ve got to believe that these high roller, mover and shaker Ivy League money suits have got a plan.
It doesn’t appear that their plan is to accommodate all our brothers and sisters.
So what’s the alternative? Elimination.
You either accommodate or you eliminate. Exterminate.
The most plausible method is the virus.
I was thinking of this meeting where the doctor types are making a pitch to the money suits and they are telling them that they got all these souped up agents…… viruses, bacteria, fungi, prions …. all ready to go, but they tell the money guys that the thing that makes the greatest difference in the lethality of the agent is the stress level of the recipient. At extreme levels of stress, the lethality raises exponentially.
The money guys go to some other smart people.
“How do we create a bunch of stress?”
“Hunger and fear work the best” say the smart people.
The current economic shit is a plan to soften up the masses
so that the virus works better.
It would also make sense to set off a nuke some where.
Nothing like some pictures on TV of people made of charcoal.
Suppress the immune system for efficient extermination.
Culling the herd is not a new concept.
MaxVax
Maximum Mandatory Vaccination. 09/28/14
In Tom Clancy’s 1995 novel DEBT OF HONOR, the climax of the story has a 747 with a load of fuel being flown into the US Capitol. There was a big explosion and fire. That was the first time I ever heard the idea of an air liner being used as a bomb. The next time I heard of it was 9/11/2001
Then in 1998, Clancy came out with RAINBOW SIX, which had a sub plot that had a group of “extreme environmentalists” with a plan to depopulate the Earth to make everything “nice” again. They planned to have a return of the buffalo herds to the great plains and all that. In this scenario the bad guys started a frightening epidemic. The plotters ran a big biotech firm and they produced a vaccine for their frightening epidemic. The killer disease was actually in the vaccine. Of course, they had the “real vaccine” to protect themselves so that after all the riff-raff was done away with they would have the Earth to themselves.
All the attention that is being focused on this frightening epidemic of Ebola seems to fit the general outline as proposed in Clancy’s novel. I suspect that the billionaire owners of the world have many projects in the works to reduce the load on the environment and rid their world of the unpleasant types. We can assume that the most efficient reduction in the load on the environment will begin with the elimination of those individuals that are the biggest consumers and polluters. That means that the place to start the population reduction is in the U.S. With 5% of the worlds population, the U.S. uses 20% of the worlds energy.
I work in a health care facility and we were recently mandated by Medi-Care to install the CARE TRACKER data system that will send the record of every activity with a patient to the great health care data base somewhere. Meanwhile, for the past decade we’ve seen the implementation of numerous health privacy statutes, such as HIPPA, that block access to health records. Access to this data by independent researchers is strictly controlled to protect the Medical Fraud Industrial Complex. .
It would seem that access to this info to clarify the health condition of the US population would be a significant benefit to all concerned.
We might also imagine that this up to the minute tracking of health events would be valuable to any effort to reduce the population by the medical fraud matrix. They can track their investments in various projects to reduce the population. They have a record of every interaction between every patient and every healthcare worker in the US. If a project starts to look like it could draw unwanted attention, they can spot the trouble early and put their best writers on the job of spinning the news of the event to their favor. ………………After all this is the information age.
Currently we are daily informed of the Measles “epidemic” in Washington state. At last report there were something like 60 or 70 cases. OMG!! The number of deaths in the U.S. from “Medical Mistakes” averages about 600 PER DAY, yet we are inundated with the terrible news of 70 kids getting the Measles. How can that be? When I was a kid we got the Measles and stayed home from school for a few days and it was no big deal. I never heard of any complications. It was no big deal.
Never mind Tom Clancy. Dean Koontz who predicted (in a novel) Wuhan-400 viral bioweapon is The Man! In the novel, America finally comes to the rescue with a vaccine.
And The Woman? Self professed psychic Sylvia Brown who predicted straight up a pneumonia-like global pandemic affecting the lungs around the year 2020!
https://www.teaparty247.org/did-a-dean-koontz-novel-predict-wuhan-outbreak-years-ago-this-is-creepy/
A fictional plot from a 1981 Dean Koontz novel predicted that a virus originating in Wuhan would cause a global biological pandemic, but despite the creepy similarities to real life, Snopes soon concluded after an “investigation” that the parallels were “mostly false.”
In his thriller The Eyes of Darkness, the best-selling author describes a man-made bioweapon created at a research center in Wuhan, China that is developed “to wipe out a city or a country.”
“They call the stuff ‘Wuhan-400’ because it was developed at their RDNA labs outside the city of Wuhan,” a character says in the novel.
Meanwhile, in reality, a study by scientists at the South China University of Technology in Guangzhou, China concluded that “the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan.”
While the virus in the book is far deadlier than the coronavirus, there are several similarities.
“I will say it’s damned near perfect. Long incubation, asymptomatic spread, infectious as hell,” another character says in the book.
A Snopes investigation of the matter concluded that the claim Koontz predicted the 2020 coronavirus outbreak was “mostly false” because in his story, the virus has a 100% fatality rate.
In addition, in the original version of the book, the biological weapon was named Gorki-400 and was changed to Wuhan for later editions published after 1989.
Once again, by applying such stringent measurements to declaring the prediction “false,” Snopes has mischaracterized the issue.
Yes it is weird that Koontz accurately predicted a virus emerging out of Wuhan that would cause a global biological pandemic.
That doesn’t mean Koontz had any foreknowledge of a conspiracy, but despite Snopes’ best efforts to throw cold water on the issue, it does make his plot eerily prescient.
As if things couldn’t get any more strange, in another book called End Of Days: Predictions And Prophecies About The End Of The World, the author, Sylvia Browne, predicted a “pneumonia-like illness” would sweep the world around the year 2020.
“In around 2020 a severe pneumonia-like illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs and the bronchial tubes and resisting all known treatments,” she wrote. “Almost more baffling than the illness itself will be the fact that it will suddenly vanish as quickly as it arrived, attack again 10 years later, and then disappear completely.”
Coincidentally I was just remembering that comment posted here by Aubrey Enoc” in 2015.
So yea, the idea of a cull via an pandemic was in fact considered in OFW.
What could be better at fatally suppressing the immune system than lock-downs? Even if you are employed and fed.
And, the stroke of perverted genius, slapping masks on people when they are allowed out in the open air, so that it is of no benefit to them.
‘Eyes Wide Shut’ did drop some hints about the kind of people who like masks ……
Initiation ritual and asphixiation fetish!
What’s not to like!
You’re kidding, right? A pandemic was always known to be an eventuality. It wasn’t a black swan, but…some people have taken to calling them gray rhinos. Remember the movie “Contagion”? Of course the details couldn’t have been guessed in advance.
I seem to recall that we agreed that a serious pandemic was unquantifiable, although possible and even likely at some time.
And now we still don’t have a dangerous pandemic, instead only a serious fraud.
“You’re kidding, right?”
No, Scam-19 is not a pandemic, it’s a scam.
Yup, we are waiting for Ripper-21 to hit the streets. As Pompeo stated (to Trump with a hot mic): “This one is a mere dress rehearsal event”.
You all are gunna die. So am I.
But hey, I got close to zero vested interests in the future. I’m sort of wishing not having to bury my parents. That would have been awful. The same for them burying me, mom would surely go to the mental asylum if that would happen. That’s about all, except for the absence of existence and the usual slightly genetically modified primate shenanigans with bells, whistles, drama and comedy.
Anyhow, love you to all commenters from near and afar.
🥰
I remember a lot of discussions around possible scenarios during the 2016-17 period on this blog.
I certainly mentioned bioweapons, vaccines and good old famine as methods of reducing population deliberately without too much suspicion.
The virus hoax has been rolled out as cover for the vaccine and hunger to follow. Then people will suffer malnutricion which will lead to further disease and so on. Round and round we go circling the drain.
We are entering a never ending blame game that most people will never be able to catch up with. Nuke wars will definitely be ramped up as a threat but whether the threat is real or not remains to be seen.
Our self appointed lord and savior Mr Gates has been busy training his swarms of genetically modified mosquitos which could be used to deliver the final blow. Nothing like self reproducing disease delivery critters to mop up the remainers.
Gates has also been buying up farmland.
I prefer a stick without farmland over farmland without a stick.
Unfortunately for him… he’s now only the fourth richest person in the world. Maybe that’s why he’s overcompensating in the philanthropy department?
He made a 20:1 investment return when he switched from software to vaccines. Not bad huh!
And he’s set to make a bunch more on his other investments. Energy, fake meat, ID2020 etc etc
https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielshapiro/2021/01/14/americas-biggest-owner-of-farmland-is-now-bill-gates-bezos-turner/
It’s not just gates. A lot of rich people have been focusing on natural resources in recent years, including the acquisition of farmland. You do know, don’t you, that a large chunk of those federal farm subsidy checks are going to “farmers” living in places like downtown Manhattan? They’re absentee landlords living the easy life of a wealthy rentier, but still getting subsidized by the taxpayers for their “service” to humanity of growing food!
“The virus hoax has been rolled out as cover for the vaccine and hunger to follow. Then people will suffer malnutrition which will lead to further disease and so on. Round and round we go circling the drain.”
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This vertigo – maelstrom analogy is very sobering and likely correct, but given historical lessons (assumed by planners) it would be potentially dangerous applying too many of such down-sloping steps in series – as nation states (regions, communities) could regroup and mount against it. Therefore I’d expect 2-3x fatal blows per decade at the most..
At some point many on this board won’t be able to participate in the debate anymore (as IC core/semi pop gets flushed) and then the site will go dark itself.
At some point many on this board won’t be able to participate in the debate anymore (as IC core/semi pop gets flushed) and then the site will go dark itself.
Very sobering indeed!
Recommendation for Gail … if you no-index this site (not sure if WP offers that option)… Google will not know it exists… so they are less likely to find unacceptable comments and shut you down.
That said unless you generate massive unique visits and you are focusing heavily on the Covid scam you will probably fly under the radar…
It’s guys like Mike Yeadon who are experts in the field who tend to get smashed… when you held a position at the top of Pfizer… it’s difficult to totally destroy you with defamation … so total censorship is the only option for the Elders. You cannot have Yeadon gaining traction … it could unravel these magnificent plans
Maybe the magnificent plans are what is needed. Maybe it takes a certain type of grabbler to execute the magnificent plans. All I can say is that I have fully mentally prepared myself for chunks of this civilisation to keep falling off much like a Boeing 777 engine!
I have in quiet moments admitted to myself that any internet plans I had may and probably will go awry at some point not in the far future. It’s a struggle for many already.
Beyond that… survival becomes my new full time hobby.
Yup, moderate the hell out of Klimate and Kovid posts, unless associated with slightly genetically modified primate FW shenanigans.
For example: staring at digits on a computer screen imagining they represent wealth when burning spent nuclear fuel becomes the new “hot” thing, yeah right after Greta and the kovid becomes yesteryears news.
Here’s an idea. Just give them all the ones and zeros they want. To their hearts contents. They can even compete against each other in “simulated mode”. It is not as if the debt ever will be payed back anyhow. At least not as long as the holy trinity of IC calls the shots.
Let’s go *brrrr*. 🤣👍
Ever since I became old enough to pay attention to such things in the 1970s, epidemiologists have been warning us that the next major pandemic is just a matter of time, an inevitability, and urging us to prepare for it. It is not their fault that so few people have been listening. Over the years, I have seen some non-biologists who were (and no doubt still are) cheerleaders for globalism occasionally express the view that the age of pandemics is over, than mankind with the help of modern science and technology has conquered the threat. Such nonsense. Thanks largely to vaccines, people have lived without the constant threat of these deadly outbreaks for so long, that when one finally happens they imagine it just has to be a conspiracy, a scam, or a “PLANdemic.” I blame the schools. Everyone should learn these things in their history classes, but history, especially here in America, gets treated like the proverbial red headed stepchild.
Your historical “pandemics” are easily attributed to non viral contagion causes. And vaccines always arrived late to the scene to take credit for solving the problem that had already abated naturally.
Viral contagion has never been proven despite many attempts.
On the other hand, mosquitos, lice, fleas are great transmitters of disease among immunocompromised mammals. Malnutricion, lack of D3 etc are the true cause of disease along with poor sanitation, soil contaminants etc.
Since Pasteur’s day, no one has demonstrated experimentally the transmissibility of disease with pure cultures of bacteria or viruses.
Needless to say, researchers have yet to prove that a virus causes any of the following conditions; Polio, HPV (Human Papilloma Virus),HIV, AIDS, hepatitis C, SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome), MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome), bird flu, swine flu, Ebola, and Zika.
https://mask-covid.info/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/The-Contagion-Myth-Notes-Synopsis-1.pdf
Tsubion, I lived though the AIDS epidemic (in the US), and the misinformation was almost ubiquitous. Big Pharma (then less big) was looking for an infection for them to cure (at great expense, paid by the government because homosexuals were a privileged minority), and they settled on HIV, in spite of a lot of contrary evidence.
My own opinion, for what it’s worth, was that the most probable cause was amyl nitrite, popularly called “poppers”. This is a vasodilator, and is therefore also associated with elevated blood pressure and tachycardia. Its regular use slowly and systematically destroys the immune system.
Based on very credible material that I dug into last year… I suspect that you are 100% correct!
AZT was a horrible drug.
And the PCR was involved in diagnosing cases of HIV.
And Fauci was behind the whole operation.
Robert, if what you say about poppers is true, then most of my friends should already be dead because a lot of people still use it. Well, I’m afraid that at least their brain is already damaged!
Seriously, I suspect HIV is not exactly what they say but I don’t have enough information about this topic. I’d be interested to have some.
I really hope that your level of expertise in your chosen job field is not like your medical expertise. Most of my low class patients have greater and better understanding of infections and infectious diseases than you. But who I am to even think rectifying it,right. Otherwise I suggest that you keep on drinking uv light and errecting mental shields, everhthing should works fine for you.
Keep wearing two or three masks tightly fixed to your mug. It should fix the problem. According to the science!
Keep jamming a swab up to your blood brain barrier until you achieve the desired result!
Keep taking experimental drug products until you feel better because nature obviously did such a horrible job when putting together your immune system!
In fact, just wear a hazmat suit and stay home away from sunlight for the rest of your life since you obviously think the bugs are out to get you.
I think you are the one wearing a mental shield my friend.
Indoctrination is a powerful tool.
Undoing falsehoods is practically impossible for some people. It means swallowing their pride. But the rest of the world will move on and forget about these ridiculous superstitions peddled by high priests in white coats.
It’s pretty scary how you can watch grown adults get worked over and played by the lying oligarchs. It’s pretty sad, really.
Don’t expect too much from DelusiTANIS… even though they can perform quite a few remarkable tricks… that does not mean they are intelligent…
I suspect that most of their ‘best minds’ throughout history … would be CovIDIOTS if they were alive today … they’d also believe in renewable energy and EVs.
First of all I made a remark about your understanding of infectious disease and viral behaviour. I didn’t said a damn thing about vaccines, mask mandates, distancing and lockdown mandates. Please do not put words in mouth I never even thought about muttering! Your attack is very similar to the cancel attacks of the leftists/rightist blob.
Although I don’t comment much, I read all comments and articles here. From what I get here are almost no physicians or biologists but yet you so freely put an opinion on something which is very far from your expertise and practise. I can give you lot of facts and details about the virus (I am a front safety physicians for number of pharma companies developing vaccines for C19), I don’t comment on the ‘pandemic’ situation and how it was ushered into society. I comment things which I know and am certain of. Period. Also I have been doing volunteer shifts in Covid ward here in my country, I assure you there is a virus and that this virus has been sequenced even here and we are still sequencing tens of cases on a daily basis. The biggest issue from scientific point of view with this rna virus is that the edical society still classifies it as a pulmonary infection. It is not. Once the virus gains foothold in your body it develops as a systemic vasculite and eats from the inside all the endothelial tissue that can find. This is the crux of the multitude clinical representations of infected patients and why certain approved therapies work in one patient but doesn’t in another. In addition all those therapy protocols and guidelines have been primed for treatment of pulmonary infection and C19 is not a such (yes it has pulmonary forms). From the practice we have found that the best approach for C19 treatment is antithrombotic and antiagregant medications coupled with antibiotics and good ol’ corticosteroids. Nothing from the novel treatments and antibodies cocktails promotrd as breakthroughs reach the results from the good old, cheap treatments I mentioned above. In addition one big issue with modeling C19 mortality is that lot of chronic patients don’t have access to healthcare unless they are an emergency so their health is nosediving and when C19 or other infection catch them they die very quickly due to their already off balanced health (they die with C19 not because of it), also a lot of mundane infections (mostly the flu basket) are now being left undiagnosed and untreated and untreated flu cases has similar death rate of C19 patients. Feel free to use the above as you wish but please do not put words in my mouth and distord my opinion.
P. S. The prevailing opinion of my colleges (physicians, microbiologists, geneticists etc.)is that this virus has been pimped.
What I don’t understand is why we even bother to try to treat the people who are dying from Covid
Most of them would be dead within 6 months from their underlying diseases anyway. I say f&kk em… Covid – like pneumonia for these near corpses — is a gosend…
(I disagree with the Great Barrington on this focused protection thingy…)
I’d go even further and suggest we do not lockdown the homes for the dying … let it roll baby roll… these places stink of stale piss and shit anyway… nobody wants to be there.. nobody wants to visit… and think of all the cash we could save — enough to build a new football stadium or two!!!
We should focus on these 377 people https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9090847/Only-377-people-aged-60-no-underlying-health-conditions-died-Covid-UK.html
There is a chance that some of them are actually contributing to society… might be an engineer or a draftsman or a job-creator in that group…
To your point… now why would CBS have had to do this… during the height of the pandemic…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/06/cbs-news-edits-testing-story-after-project-veritas-exposes-clinics-line-stuffing-ploy/
https://youtu.be/3BUBTtUTOII
For you, Tsubion: the moment “gino mir” unintentionally let the mask slip:
“(I am a front safety physicians for number of pharma companies developing vaccines for C19), …”
So of course he is utterly credible, as is everyone else whose job depend on playing the tune those who pay the piper want him to play.
To Frank:
It is not unintentional mask slip. It is being Frank and honest with your peers. I guess you are American and such concepts are hard to grasp for you in general. As for me being part of big pharma, what is the big deal. Am I some kind of globalist with satanic habits? It is double standard of you to be concerned with my job given that Gail is one of the people who always got invitations for gov/corp/globalist venues. What I have layed above are just hard facts about the virus which me and my colleges verified with risk to our medical licenses and careers. It is your choice if you will take or leave those but please do not embroil me in person assisinagion games. Is this clear?
It’s tragic here to see how people with a little bit of knowledge, whatever it’s about, tend to believe that they know everything.
Thank you Geno Mir for your insight, I appreciate it.
Geno Mir
You seem like a nice chap but allow me open up a little…
After 50 years experience dealing with members of your profession and more recently having done a deep dive on Big Pharma…
I don’t trust a single f******** one of you!
Well, maybe just a few.
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/02/26/covid-the-virus-was-never-proven-to-exist-a-statement/
Statement On Virus Isolation (SOVI) [3]
“Isolation: The action of isolating; the fact or condition of being isolated or standing alone; separation from other things or persons; solitariness.” — Oxford English Dictionary
The controversy over whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus has ever been isolated or purified continues. However, using the above definition, common sense, the laws of logic and the dictates of science, any unbiased person must come to the conclusion that the SARS-CoV-2 virus has never been isolated or purified. As a result, no confirmation of the virus’ existence can be found. The logical, common sense, and scientific consequences of this fact are:
* the structure and composition of something not shown to exist can’t be known, including the presence, structure, and function of any hypothetical spike or other proteins;
* the genetic sequence of something that has never been found can’t be known;
* “variants” of something that hasn’t been shown to exist can’t be known;
* it’s impossible to demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 causes a disease called Covid-19.
In as concise terms as possible, here’s the proper way to isolate, characterize and demonstrate a new virus. First, one takes samples (blood, sputum, secretions) from many people (e.g. 500) with symptoms which are unique and specific enough to characterize an illness. Without mixing these samples with ANY tissue or products that also contain genetic material, the virologist macerates, filters and ultracentrifuges i.e. purifies the specimen. This common virology technique, done for decades to isolate bacteriophages [4a] and so-called giant viruses in every virology lab, then allows the virologist to demonstrate with electron microscopy thousands of identically sized and shaped particles. These particles are the isolated and purified virus.
These identical particles are then checked for uniformity by physical and/or microscopic techniques. Once the purity is determined, the particles may be further characterized. This would include examining the structure, morphology, and chemical composition of the particles. Next, their genetic makeup is characterized by extracting the genetic material directly from the purified particles and using genetic-sequencing techniques, such as Sanger sequencing, that have also been around for decades. Then one does an analysis to confirm that these uniform particles are exogenous (outside) in origin as a virus is conceptualized to be, and not the normal breakdown products of dead and dying tissues. [4b] (As of May 2020, we know that virologists have no way to determine whether the particles they’re seeing are viruses or just normal break-down products of dead and dying tissues.) [4c]
If we have come this far then we have fully isolated, characterized, and genetically sequenced an exogenous virus particle. However, we still have to show it is causally related to a disease. This is carried out by exposing a group of healthy subjects (animals are usually used) to this isolated, purified virus in the manner in which the disease is thought to be transmitted. If the animals get sick with the same disease, as confirmed by clinical and autopsy findings, one has now shown that the virus actually causes a disease. This demonstrates infectivity and transmission of an infectious agent.
None of these steps has even been attempted with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, nor have all these steps been successfully performed for any so-called pathogenic virus. Our research indicates that a single study showing these steps does not exist in the medical literature.
Instead, since 1954, virologists have taken unpurified samples from a relatively few people, often less than ten, with a similar disease. They then minimally process this sample and inoculate this unpurified sample onto tissue culture containing usually four to six other types of material — all of which contain identical genetic material as to what is called a “virus.” The tissue culture is starved and poisoned and naturally disintegrates into many types of particles, some of which contain genetic material. Against all common sense, logic, use of the English language and scientific integrity, this process is called “virus isolation.” This brew containing fragments of genetic material from many sources is then subjected to genetic analysis, which then creates in a computer-simulation process the alleged sequence of the alleged virus, a so called in silico genome. At no time is an actual virus confirmed by electron microscopy. At no time is a genome extracted and sequenced from an actual virus. This is scientific fraud.
The observation that the unpurified specimen — inoculated onto tissue culture along with toxic antibiotics, bovine fetal tissue, amniotic fluid and other tissues — destroys the kidney tissue onto which it is inoculated is given as evidence of the virus’ existence and pathogenicity. This is scientific fraud.
From now on, when anyone gives you a paper that suggests the SARS-CoV-2 virus has been isolated, please check the methods sections. If the researchers used Vero cells or any other culture method, you know that their process was not isolation. You will hear the following excuses for why actual isolation isn’t done:
1. There were not enough virus particles found in samples from patients to analyze.
2. Viruses are intracellular parasites; they can’t be found outside the cell in this manner.
If No. 1 is correct, and we can’t find the virus in the sputum of sick people, then on what evidence do we think the virus is dangerous or even lethal? If No. 2 is correct, then how is the virus spread from person to person? We are told it emerges from the cell to infect others. Then why isn’t it possible to find it?
Finally, questioning these virology techniques and conclusions is not some distraction or divisive issue. Shining the light on this truth is essential to stop this terrible fraud that humanity is confronting. For, as we now know, if the virus has never been isolated, sequenced or shown to cause illness, if the virus is imaginary, then why are we wearing masks, social distancing and putting the whole world into prison?
Finally, if pathogenic viruses don’t exist, then what is going into those injectable devices erroneously called “vaccines,” and what is their purpose? This scientific question is the most urgent and relevant one of our time.
We are correct. The SARS-CoV2 virus does not exist.
Sally Fallon Morell, MA
Dr. Thomas Cowan, MD
Dr. Andrew Kaufman, MD
I do think the virus exists. It was lab made, as far as I can see.
It is a distinct possibility that Covid is actually another name for the flu…. since flu infections have disappeared over the past year.
@Gail
The sars-cov-2 virus may exist, but if it has not been isolated and its genome sequenced, is it even possible to create a vaccine against it? I am not a virologist, but it seems like it would be impossible. Certainly, one would think sequencing is necessary in order to identify the different mutant strains of the virus we hear so much about, unless different strains produce different symptoms, in which case what is the evidence the viruses are even related?
Mosquitoes are killers because they transmit VIRUSES, and species of mosquito that do not transmit viruses are not killers. Fleas transmit bacteria (most notoriously, Yersinia pestis). I am unaware of any pandemics that lice were responsible for. Perhaps you should have stayed awake during your junior high biology class.
You are also wrong about bacterial and viral infections not being transmitted with pure cultures. This has been done many times in animal experiments, usually with rodents. Obviously, we can’t do these experiments on humans.
And odd it is that your list of diseases that you deny have a “proven” viral cause excludes SMALLPOX! Why is *nobody* contracting smallpox any more? Even the poorest, filthiest, most backward countries in the world have not had a single known case of naturally occurring smallpox since 1977 (in Somalia). Guess those smallpox vaccines that everyone my age was still receiving in the first grade had nothing to do with it, huh? The other contagious viral diseases that we have not completely eliminated as we did smallpox are still far less common than they were in the pre-vaccine era. (Rinderpest, a viral disease in cattle, has also been eradicated.)
You may have noticed that I used the words “naturally occurring.” Here is the reason for that qualification:
https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/history/history.html
Janet Parker was the last person to die of smallpox. In 1978, Parker was a medical photographer at England’s Birmingham University Medical School. She worked one floor above the Medical Microbiology Department where staff and students conducted smallpox research. She became ill on August 11 and developed a rash on August 15 but was not diagnosed with smallpox until 9 days later. She died on September 11, 1978. Her mother, who was providing care for her, developed smallpox on September 7, despite having been vaccinated two weeks earlier. [My note: no vaccine is 100% effective for everyone who receives it. That is why enough people need to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity–herd immunity protects the individuals who lack individual immunity. However, this comment should not be taken as an endorsement of the most recent vaccine which has not been adequately tested for safety. Nevertheless, Bill Gates or whichever oligarch you most love to hate is not plotting mass extermination via vaccines (rolling eyes).] An investigation suggested that Janet Parker had been infected either via an airborne route through the medical school building’s duct system or by direct contact while visiting the microbiology corridor.
God I am sick and tired of this vaxx/anti vaxx debates.
Take a good long look at Taiwan. 8 deaths. Enough written. It is clear that any pandemic of any lethality and contagion can be combatted without vaccines and lockdowns. Relentless contact tracing, quarantine and overall cleanliness.
Yes; ANY pandemic.
Of course proper air filtration, personal face masks (N/KN/FFP) and air purification unites with HEPA filtration helps reduce transmission. Don’t be so goddamn filthy as well. Wash your hands, in general, also don’t touch your cookie hole and beating orifices, it helps against any pathogen.
Save the vaxx for the third world with no proper means for cleanliness and health care. Why do we even discuss vaxxing fat and old yahoos in IC? Not to mention young to to middle aged people?
It is nuts. Talk about going against objective reality and iron clad observations. The rest of the muppet IC CDC’s should just give a call to president Tsai and get some help along the way; while at it – beg for moar semiconductors. 🤣👍
Lots of different problems bring down economies. Now Taiwan is suffering from a water shortage.
mosquitos
https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/malaria/index.html
lice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic_typhus
“Obviously, we can’t do these experiments on humans.” – Bulll crappp! mass experimentation has always gone on. syphalis. anthrax.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study
https://vaccinetruth.org/smallpox.html
“If people are worried about endemic smallpox [long lingering or permanent presence of the disease in the population], it disappeared from this country not because of our mass herd immunity [derived from the vaccine]. It disappeared because of our economic development. And that’s why it disappeared from Europe and many other countries…[its disappearance is] not from universal vaccination.”
Mack is echoing several medical historians who have pointed out that better and less crowded housing, better nutrition, better sanitation are the real reasons for the disappearance of smallpox—and a host of other diseases. But Mack is not an historian. He’s a prominent USC doc who has worked inside smallpox in several areas of the world.
The interesting thing, however, is that the incidence of smallpox actually increased once vaccination programs were instituted. In Jenner’s time, there were only a few hundred cases of smallpox in England. After more than fifteen years of mandatory vaccinations, in 1870 and 1871 alone more than 23,000 people died from the disease. Later, in Japan, nearly 29,000 people died in just seven years under a stringent compulsory vaccination and revaccination program.
This increase in smallpox deaths was associated with a noticeable lack of protection not the best combination of events. For example, in Germany, over 124,000 people died of smallpox during the same epidemic. All had been vaccinated. Additionally, (unaltered) hospital records consistently show that about 90 percent of all smallpox cases occurred after the individual was vaccinated.
This lack of efficacy and increase in disease incidence, while other communicable diseases were declining, led to the refusal of smallpox vaccination by some countries. This resulted in a drop of the incidence of the disease that is quite remarkable. In Australia, when two children died from their smallpox shots, the government terminated compulsory vaccinations. As a result, smallpox virtually disappeared in that country (three cases in fifteen years). When England began to reject vaccination, then the incidence of smallpox deaths decreased accordingly.
Reading many old biographies, I’ve often come across instances of Victorians fearing the smallpox vaccination, and some dying after it.
They had to screw up their courage, certainly.
The early enthusiasts for vaccination were certainly very afraid of smallpox itself, though.
There is no question the smallpox vaccine was risky, although it did improve over time. The industrial revolution gave rise to conditions that were very favorable to disease outbreaks. Also, smallpox can be ended by discontinuing the vaccinations, yet smallpox was widespread *before* vaccines, and it was a much feared disease. Just look what it did to the Aztecs! (Europeans already had a history of using smallpox as a bioweapon during sieges. The Aztecs were not being singled out for unusually harsh treatment.) You have yet to provide an explanation for why smallpox has disappeared, not just in the developed countries, but everywhere. Indeed, according to you, the widespread use of smallpox inoculations should have made smallpox eradication impossible! Clearly, your arguments make no sense.
Tuskegee: MD’s did not infect negro servicemen with syphilis. They got the syphilis from prostitutes. The military doctors, instead of treating it, let it run its course so they could study it. Deplorable behavior, but not the same as deliberate infection of the study subjects, so my point stands.
You also seem a bit confused. According to you, syphilis cannot be caused by microbes, and therefore cannot be cured by modern medicine’s antimicrobial treatments. You can’t have it both ways.
Nehe
you are confusing bacterial infection (syph) through contact with non proven infection with non-living virus particles – probably exosomes that are created by our cells and may actually carry out useful functions such as mopping up toxins.
The particles reenter the cells – some choose to call this infection.
I am simply quoting what many credible scientists have been trying to say for a very long time but have always been silenced by Big Pharma.
No profit in Terrain Theory.
There are convincing explanations to answer your other queries in relevant books and media if you so choose to investigate.
Really??? You still believe this is not a stitch up????
Are you the reincarnation of Norm or something?
I can empathize with a lot of things that people experience… but try as I might … I cannot walk in the shoes of stoopidity and MORE onism…. how can you watch this and not laugh and think … jeez … they had me going there for nearly a year… but this is way way too much…. I’ve been stitched up!!!
https://youtu.be/wB9RSffVys4
Although you have very insightful breakthroughs in your train of thought your lack of expertise in microbiology and medicine is stunning. I am saying it once more. I have seen the virus under electronic microscope, I have seen the Southern and northern blots of sequencing the virus from patients fluids. There is a virus. Period. Is the virus really so dangerous,ethal and disrupting? My own opinion is that it is danger and so on but not sooo much as tbtb are trying to present it.
And that’s why I disagree with the Covid crowd because the opposition doesn’t dismiss Covid. We know it’s real and it’s a problem especially for those in a particular age group or with preexisting conditions.
Where we draw the line is that we believe it’s not the killer monster it’s made out to be that has fueled the fear, panic and hysteria. It’s not the reincarnation of the Black Plague or the Spanish Flu. In fact it’s not even in the same league with the Hong Kong flu.
If TPTB had just told us to do the commonsense stuff like wash your hands, wear a mask if you like without lockdowns to facilitate herd immunity. I would be cool with that.
But NO they have to throw in social distancing, mask wearing, now double mask protection and even a face shield and gloves as well as lockdowns. If that’s not bad enough they amp things up by saying there are more powerful variants that are here already. That’s where it gets to be too much.
Rodster wrote: “And that’s why I disagree with the Covid crowd because the opposition doesn’t dismiss Covid. We know it’s real”
Have you been paying attention to the guys on your side? Many of them are absolutely convinced that either the virus does not exist, or it exists but is harmless, or it is just a typical seasonal flu virus, OR even that viruses do not exist at all, have never been observed under a microscope, and have never had their genomes sequenced (because they are just hypothetical organisms and do not really exist). Yes, all of these nonsensical positions are being actively advocated by the covid skeptics camp.
Furthermore, you are resorting to dishonorable straw man attacks. *No one* is saying that this is on a par with the black death or the 1919 flu, but it *is* a lot more deadly than the typical seasonal flu. Two researchers came up with outlier estimates, demonstrably incorrect, that the fatality rate is much lower than it really is, and your camp keeps citing these 2 discredited outliers against the preponderance of the evidence. Your side also ignores that it is far more contagious than the seasonal flu, which further increases the number of deaths.
And the most commonly advocated solution for this pandemic by your camp? Do nothing! Let ‘er rip, let the hospitals fill up until they must turn people away, and just go for the maximum possible death rate until herd immunity is achieved (assuming that lasting herd immunity to any coronavirus is even possible–the jury’s still out.) I understand you may sincerely believe that is a reasonable course of action, but most of the human race does not share your fatalistic preferences. We prefer to fight it.
Its worse than the Black Plague its the…..
https://media.tenor.com/images/98c0e36aa0f277601daa9cbe4abde1fc/tenor.gif
The DEVIL!!! https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1402278/California-Covid-strain-coronavirus-variant-kent-south-africa-brazil-joe-biden-us
http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/thedisillusionist/files/2016/05/hell-devil.jpg
Its the DEVIL!!! Hide… it’s the evil Devil… OMG>… the DEVIL is coming!!!
I agree with you geno mir.
I believe there is a virus … and it presents a danger similar to that of a bad flu year … there is nothing abnormal here — other than that governments are for some reason labeling as many deaths as possible as being caused by covid… then they use these horrific and fake numbers … to frighten people — lock them down … then force them to take an experimental vaccine which is not even a vaccine
https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/22/synthetic-mrna-covid-vaccines-a-risk-benefit-analysis/
Off topic a little… but I met up with my good mate earlier …. we went ripping around in Covid21 (that the name I have given my speed machine)… had a few beers and congratulated ourselves on our massive IQs… the wives joined and we explained to them why it is important we drink a minimum amount of beer (and sometimes sniff some powder)… it’s because we have these massive IQs and if we do not indulge in various vices.. the IQs keep expanding and that will result in skull fractures…
We need to keep killing off brain cells to prevent this terrible outcome.
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/02/26/covid-the-virus-was-never-proven-to-exist-a-statement/
From now on, when anyone gives you a paper that suggests the SARS-CoV-2 virus has been isolated, please check the methods sections. If the researchers used Vero cells or any other culture method, you know that their process was not isolation. You will hear the following excuses for why actual isolation isn’t done:
1. There were not enough virus particles found in samples from patients to analyze.
2. Viruses are intracellular parasites; they can’t be found outside the cell in this manner.
If No. 1 is correct, and we can’t find the virus in the sputum of sick people, then on what evidence do we think the virus is dangerous or even lethal? If No. 2 is correct, then how is the virus spread from person to person? We are told it emerges from the cell to infect others. Then why isn’t it possible to find it?
Finally, questioning these virology techniques and conclusions is not some distraction or divisive issue. Shining the light on this truth is essential to stop this terrible fraud that humanity is confronting. For, as we now know, if the virus has never been isolated, sequenced or shown to cause illness, if the virus is imaginary, then why are we wearing masks, social distancing and putting the whole world into prison?
Finally, if pathogenic viruses don’t exist, then what is going into those injectable devices erroneously called “vaccines,” and what is their purpose? This scientific question is the most urgent and relevant one of our time.
We are correct. The SARS-CoV2 virus does not exist.
In addition I will add something from the corporate kitchen (my regular work is with CRO providing expertise to big pharma). One of the most important skills for me and my team is perception management, we are trained regulat on this topic. In a nutshell it is way, way easier to construct a pandemic situation if you have present virus which level of danger is overhyped by the infotainment industry. If you try to manage the whole circus with only imaginary virus the whole operation is starting to look very shaky and very hard to perpetuate. If I was in charge of this whole shebang I’d definitely have pimped some rna virus and feed, feed, feed the news cycle with horror stories. Is is way easier this way, the whole operation will require lot less energy and management. I like your fervor for conspiracies but the best ones are in fact the less complex ones which can be maintained over time with the smallest quantities of energy. The genius solutions are the most simplistic ones.
A lot of writers have predicted pandemics and decreases in our over all health. Jay Hanson of dieoff fame predicted a manufactured pandemic by the PTB back in 2001.
Our biggest die ease issue is anti-biotic resistance. Factory farming with animals being fed them and especially aquaculture where they are just poured into the water with the fish is going to cause a huge out break in untreatable bacterial diseases.
“Inflation worries have flared as Congress pushes forward with a $1.9 trillion fiscal relief package amid rising commodity prices and long-term interest rates…
“[But] what’s needed is more production of the goods in the economy that are in short supply right now, not cutting off the flow of funds that supports that production.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-02-25/inflation-is-more-about-supply-chain-shortages-than-price-hikes
“One of the most powerful US bond managers has warned of an “inflation head fake”, where misplaced concerns about a rise in consumer prices cause a jump in bond yields.”
https://www.ft.com/content/9ed5c0f2-5c2a-4a1f-98f6-e864f5d62e24
Once covid dies down, there will be a lot of slack in global productive capacity. As long as producers can boost production without additional investment, there will be no pressing need to raise prices. Having said that, we could very well get a rise in CPI inflation in the near future, probably low single digits at worst, but that rise will be taken by many inflation hawks as confirmation of their worst fears. Since federal deficits are still not being monetized (despite what some internet pundits incorrectly assert), so that money creation still depends on bank lending, these are just not the conditions under which you can get a sustainable wage-price spiral.
The only difference between monetizing a deficit, and borrowing money to fund a deficit when it’s impossible to service the debt if interest rates rise to a level that recognizes the default risk, is a time delay.
Nonsense. Monetization is not the only option, and not the option that every over indebted country has taken. A transparent default on the debt, paying it off at so many cents on the dollar, is a perfectly viable option, and one that has been successfully used before.
The article has an interesting chart showing, “The U.S. isn’t producing enough new goods to replace the old ones for healthy growth,” It shows “Net fixed investment creation as a % of GDP.”
Around here, everyone seems to be trying to build or fix up houses as much as they can. Governments are also trying to stimulate economies.
This leads to (I would think), quite a bit of net investment in fixed assets. I don’t think these are factories, though. They are houses. There is no need for stores or schools either.
“Rich countries’ governments borrowed $18 trillion from bond markets in 2020—more than ever before—but their borrowing costs hit a record low, due to a big rise in bond purchases by central banks, as well as a lack of concern about public debt levels among private investors.
“The jump in government bond sales during the first year of the coronavirus pandemic was almost twice that recorded when the global financial crisis struck”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/rich-countries-borrowed-18-trillion-in-2020-few-seem-worried-about-paying-it-off-11614251857
“Developing nations at risk of debt crisis due to Covid-19: World Bank head:
“A debt crisis is a prominent risk for some of the countries at the bottom, and that has to do with the difficulty of getting new investment: David Malpass.”
https://www.livemint.com/industry/banking/developing-nations-at-risk-of-debt-crisis-due-to-covid-19-world-bank-head-11614262606641.html
“Billions of people around the world are being trapped in poverty by systemic tax abuses, corruption and money laundering, according to a UN commission report calling for a global crackdown.
“The UN panel on financial integrity for sustainable development urged governments to overhaul tax rules and the banking system…”
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/25/tax-abuse-and-money-laundering-is-trapping-billions-in-poverty-says-un
Since governments themselves are the major creators of “systemic tax abuses, corruption and money laundering” the UN is busy whistling in the wind. Supported, of course, by their corrupt toadies at The Guardian.
“Biden is already backtracking on his promises to provide student debt relief …Let’s be clear about another thing. Biden absolutely has the legal authority to use executive power to cancel all federal student debt…
“As he rambled on, Biden gave the distinct impression that he preferred not to have the power to do so. That way he could blame Congress should his campaign promises go unkept.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/25/joe-biden-student-debt-american-students
“Powell pulls his punches on benefits of more fiscal stimulus: As the pandemic ravaged the US economy in 2020, Jay Powell publicly pushed Congress to approve more government stimulus to support the recovery and complement the central bank’s easy money policies.
“But in recent weeks, the Fed chair has switched to a more neutral stance on the need for more fiscal support, just as US President Joe Biden and Democratic lawmakers are trying to approve an additional $1.9tn in government spending.”
https://www.ft.com/content/0dd48851-f442-4e3e-a068-532dd9f05137
“The Federal Reserve says its Fedwire Funds, Fedcash and some check clearing services have resumed normal operations after a more than three-hour disruption to more than a dozen critical central bank payment services forming the backbone of the U.S. banking system…
““Our technical teams have determined that the cause is a Federal Reserve operational error,” the Fed said on Wednesday on its website.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-fedwire/federal-reserve-says-investigating-disruption-to-fedwire-other-services-idUSKBN2AO2I1?il=0
The Guardian should read the US Constitution, in particular Amendment V: “… nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation”. Biden may have authority to assume all these student loan debts, but if he tries to cancel them the Supreme Court will almost certainly slap him down.
In a reasonable world that would make sense. In reality, those student loans will never be payed back. The only student loans that ever will be payed back is for students in the STEM fields.
Might as well write them off and then only grant loans for students with a remote chance of being useful in society.
As we reach limits of complexity, even loans with respect to STEM subjects aren’t going to work. There is a limit to how many people we need making vaccines and semiconductors, especially if breaks in supply lines are disrupting production and citizens cannot afford as many products.
@Gail, Statistically, there are too many people enrolling in college, and therefore too many people of only average cognitive ability enrolling in these institutions. That’s fine if they want to pay their own way for what should be a poor investment for them, but society at large should not be on the hook for excessive investment in individuals whose ability to produce economically will not be non-trivially enhanced by their extra years of schooling. The unseemly fact is that many college grads, perhaps even most, are doing jobs that they could have done just as well without a college education. With so many degree holders in the population, employers begin using it as a very expensive screening device for jobs that could be done just as well by those same people if they had never attended a day beyond high school. I have met too many college grads who were less mentally astute than my rural grandparents who grew up on farms in the South (you know, where all us dumb people supposedly live) in the early 20th century without electricity or indoor plumbing.
Agreed unreservedly. When Britain embarked on a major expansion of the number of universities (an easy task, since it mostly involved removing the plaque that said “West Hogweed Technical College” and replacing it with one that said “University of West Hogweed”), Kingsley Amis made the memorable remark “more means worse”. He was of course denounced by the academic establishment, but he was right.
Guess who will fix the issues in the supply lines. It ain’t gonna be over indebted useless eaters, that is for sure.
As long as we persist in the folly of equality of outcome, the systems will be stressed to the braking point.
As the economy is shifting from tangibles to intangibles. I don’t see the STEM field going anywhere anytime soon. It will likely power on until 2040. Or unless sentient level AI takes the helm. Then of course, we’re all a historical artifact.
I’m completely all right with that since I don’t consider mankind as anything particularly exceptional in the evolutionary process. Species go extinct. Accept and move on.
I kinda tend to agree with you.
But it leaves me feeling a little unnerved.
Instead of facing total annihilation many futurists resolved the issue by merging with machines – at least some aspect of humanity.
Of course, it all could collapse to nothing – a few radioactive scavengers knocking around until the last one closes his eyes.
On the not particularly exceptional bit… as far I know, we are the most complex biological machines that exist in the known universe. Unless the universe is teeming with life or bilions of artificial intelligence leftovers, then we’re the best there is. And we’ve only been around for the blink of an eye.
But then most other species came and went too. Maybe that’s all there is to it. A quick burst of what we call life and done. And then the sun becomes a black hole.
To counter this I like the idea that a field of conciousness is behind the whole spectacle and that we all are simply temorary projections of it.
I don’t consider new age mysticism as a tractable path forward. However, I do not reject any hypothesis. It is a matter of it being useful in daily life. You know, from nothing, born into this world and experiencing the majesty of it all and then back into nothing.
I just don’t see the problem with that. It is completely reasonable. It is fundamentally nothing wrong with ‘nothing’ (and existing), whatever that might be seems entirely redundant. It is for sure mighty convincing, even though the experience of objective reality is a hallucination inside the brain. I am fine with that, so should you, even though it seems unnerving. I think it is a matter of perspective to feel worried about it. For me, the process of experience, life (synthetic and biological) and the very universe itself is nothing but a gigantic ego trip.
The universe:
“Behold the majesty of me”
Wonky expat Laplander:
“Damn right, keep going 😳👍”
Kowalainen
Good luck with making something from nothing! I’ll wait.
A source from which everything emerges doesn’t have to be new agey, there just isn’t a better way to describe it.
It also doesn’t cancel other notions (evolution/adaptation etc) – they can exist within the same model.
A universe from a single point is a little hard to believe though, unless you start accepting that all is illusion, information, frequency vibrations etc.
I don’t subscribe to simulation hypothesis. I believe what we are experiencing is real and has an underlying layer that never perishes.
I don’t reject any hypothesis, just assign likelihood to them and of course amuse myself thinking about them. Its all very entertaining.
Let me quote a famous Swedish plasma physicist:
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hannes_Alfv%C3%A9n
“There is no rational reason to doubt that the universe has existed indefinitely, for an infinite time. It is only myth that attempts to say how the universe came to be, either four thousand or twenty billion years ago.”
I assign quite a large likelihood of Hannes being right on this one. Zero division “cosmology” with all the absurdities of black holes, big bangs and yada-yada got nothing for me.
I’m a simple man, I’m not easily convinced by various new age mysticism and creation myths. Specially when elitist groups decide on an absurd narrative pushing the gobbledygook onto others.
If the former students have jobs at all, then those loans will eventually get paid back.
Perhaps a lions share of those fake jobs will be eliminated? Then what?
I doubt the productive stock and capital wants to feed useless eaters living way beyond their means for any prolonged period of time. Specially after ‘the peak’.
The flubber of IC needs to be trimmed. Send them home with UBI and write off their debts. Supply copious amounts of prescription dope for them to cope with hopium turned into despair and irrelevance.
Yah, make the dope LSD so that they can hallucinate the ‘vibe of the universe’. As for the rest, the usual BAU goodies. Nicotine, caffeine, pot and booze. We got shit to do and need some substances when chilling out.
We can’t afford USB now (even a liberal economist like Krugman admits this), so no way will we be able to afford it post-peak. We shall slowly (?) slide back into a world ruled by the old proverb, “Root, hog, or die!”
We already got UBI for large swathes of the population. Calling something a ‘job’ doesn’t guarantee it is productive.
Making the transition simply means that the useless eaters (guvmint jobs programs) will have less. Nothing too extraordinary if you think about it.
The private sector (tourism) took its huge hit during covid, now it’s about time for the guvmint to feel the burn.
Stock and capital is “productive” only because of the existence of over indebted useless eaters living beyond their means. When that stops, the “shit to doers” will go extinct just as fast as the useless eaters.
All of a sudden there will be nothing particularly exceptional about them.
Word of advice: Accept and move on. 🙂
Not so fast there Sherlock. Below is a gedankenexperiment.
Productive fella Alice produces tools for shoemaking.
Productive fella Bob is a shoemaker.
Bob buys shoemaking tools from Alice. Bob then proceeds and makes a pair of fine shoes with the tools supplied by Alice.
Alice watches the exquisite craftsmanship of Bob, takes the plunge and buys that pair of newly manufactured shoes.
Scale Alice and Bob vertically and horizontally. There you go.
Zero guvmint needed. Your question again? Right the “useless eater” is a requirement for a functioning IC.
How about no?
You need the government to rob Bob and Alice in order to pay for the half of the population that’s too stupid/lazy/entitled/crafty to be able or inclined to make either shoes or shoe-making tools. I fear that the gov. will be the last of the useless eaters to go, because it’s the mechanism upon which the bulk of useless-eating depends.
Governments seem to have disappeared early on, in many of these collapses.
“Democratic lawmakers and advocates are urging Joe Biden to back legislation proposing unprecedented investment in America’s ailing water infrastructure amid the country’s worst crisis in decades that has left millions of people without access to clean, safe, affordable water.
“Boil advisories, leaky lead pipes, poisonous forever chemicals, bill arrears and raw sewage are among the urgent issues facing ordinary Americans.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/25/joe-biden-water-act-bernie-sanders
“The Texas electricity crisis last week has morphed into a credit crisis in the state’s wholesale power market, where participants have begun defaulting on a portion of the $50bn in energy purchases made during record cold weather, according to an update from the grid operator…
“The extent of the potential liquidity crisis will become clear as more invoices are sent out.”
https://www.ft.com/content/1e87f988-e1c2-4970-893a-ff26dcbdd103
This is part of the fiction that high prices in the few times when there is a shortage can make up for low prices the rest of the year.
Thanks Gail, this is by far your most explicit article about what what is lying ahead.
You have always been cautious talking about the future but this time this is different, right? it sounds like an epiphany, or a testament. I wonder what more you could tell us after this one.
I note though that you have changed your opinion about lockdowns, you used to say that it was a poor solution to the pandemic because they worsened the problems faced by economy, now you write “Shutdowns in response to COVID-19 cases seemed like a sensible thing to do”. What did you change your mind?
It seemed like a sensible thing to do to the politicians who were trying to get rid of the riots going on, and who could not afford oil.
It led to a huge number of people out of jobs. I am not saying I thought it was necessarily sensible.
all right, I get it better, thank you!
I’m confused. Are you saying that it was sensible to lockdown the politicians?
From the point of view of the politicians making the decision, it was sensible.
From the point of view of someone who might want the economy to keep going, it wasn’t very sensible.
From the point of view of someone looking at the amount of harm the virus might actually do, the reaction was vastly excessive.
At least we get to see those dreadful politicians in those silly masks all the time now, quite delightful.
Makes them look just like the impotent puppets they really are.