Why Collapse Occurs; Why It May Not Be Far Away

Collapse is a frightening subject. The question of why collapse occurs is something I have pieced together over many years of study from a number of different sources, which I will attempt to explain in this post.

Collapse doesn’t happen instantaneously; it happens many years after an economy first begins outgrowing its resource base. In fact, the resource base likely declines at the same time from multiple causes, such as soil erosion, deforestation and oil depletion. Before collapse occurs, there seem to be warning signs, including:

  • Too much wage disparity
  • Riots and protests by people unhappy with low wages
  • Prices of commodities that are too low for producers that need to recover their costs of production and governments that require tax revenue to fund programs for their citizens
  • An overstretched financial system; conditions ripe for debt defaults
  • Susceptibility to epidemics

Many people have the misimpression that our most important problem will be “running out” of oil. Because of this, they believe that oil prices will rise high if the system is reaching its limits. Since oil prices are not very high, they assume that the problem is far away. Once a person understands what the real issue is, it is (unfortunately) relatively easy to see that the current economy seems to be quite close to collapse.

In this post, I provide images from a recent presentation I gave, together with some comments. A video of the presentation is available on the Uncomfortable Knowledge Hub, here. A PDF of the presentation can be downloaded here:

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In some ways, a self-organizing system is analogous to a dome that might be built with a child’s toy building set (Slide 4). New layers of businesses and consumers are always being added, as are new regulations, more or less on top of the prior structure. At the same time, old consumers are dying off and products that are no longer needed are being discontinued. This happens without central direction from anyone. Entrepreneurs see the need for new products and try to satisfy them. Consumers decide on what to buy, based upon what their spendable income is and what their needs are.

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Resources of many kinds are needed for an economy. Harnessing energy of many types is especially important. Early economies burned biomass and used the labor of animals. In recent years, we have added other types of energy, such as fossil fuels and electricity, to supplement our own human energy. Without supplemental energy of various kinds, we would be very limited in the kinds of goods and services that could be produced. Our farming would be limited to digging in the ground with a stick, for example.

The fact that there is almost an equivalence between employees and consumers is very important. If the wages of consumers are high, relative to the prices of the goods and services available, then consumers are able to buy many of those goods and services. As a result, citizens tend to be happy. But if there are too many low paid workers, or people without work at all, consumers are likely to be unhappy because they cannot afford the basic necessities of life.

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The problem civilizations are facing is a two-sided problem: (1) Growing population and (2) Resources that often degrade or deplete. As a result, the amount of resources per person falls. If this were carried to the limit, all of us would starve.

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As resources deplete and population grows, local leaders can see that problems are on the horizon. At first, adding technology, such as a new dam to provide water to make farms more productive, helps. As more and more technology and other complexity is added, there is less and less “bang for the buck.” We can easily see this in the healthcare field. Early antibiotics had a very big payback; recent medical innovations that help a group of 500 or 1000 people with a particular rare disease can be expected to have a much smaller payback.

A second issue with added complexity is that it increasingly leads to a society of the very wealthy plus many very low paid workers. Joseph Tainter identified the combination of these two issues as leading to collapse in his book, The Collapse of Complex Societies.

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Françios Roddier is an astrophysicist who writes primarily in French. His book Thermodynamique de l’évolution was published in 2012; it is now available in English as well.

The issue of starving people in Yemen is an issue today. In fact, hunger is an increasing problem in poor countries around the world. The world tourism industry is dead; the industry of making fancy clothing for people in rich countries is greatly reduced. People who formerly made a living in these industries in poor countries increasingly find it difficult to earn an adequate living with other available jobs. Rich countries tend to have better safety nets when there are widespread reductions in job-availability.

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Businesses often make long lasting goods such as machines to be used in factories or automobiles to be used by consumers. Governments often make long-lasting goods such as paved roads and school buildings. When making these goods, they take some combination of commodities, built machinery, and human labor to make goods and services that people will use for many years into the future. The future value of these goods is hoped to be significantly greater than the value of the inputs used to create these goods and services.

There are at least three reasons that time-shifting devices are needed:

  1. Workers need to be paid as these goods are made.
  2. Businesses need to build factories in advance.
  3. Businesses, governments and individuals are all likely to find the future payments more manageable, even with interest added, than they are as a single payment upfront.

I don’t mention the issue in Slide 9, but once time-shifting devices are created, they become very easy to manipulate. For example, no one knows precisely what the future value of a particular investment will be. Governments, especially, are prone to make investments in unneeded infrastructure, simply to provide jobs for people. We also know that there are diminishing returns to added technology, but stocks of technology companies tend to be valued as if complexity will save the world. Third, interest rate manipulations (lower!) and the offering of debt to those who seem unlikely to be able ever to repay the debt can be used to make the economy of a country appear to be in better shape than it really is. Many of us remember the collapse of the US subprime housing debt bubble in 2008.

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The purpose of a financial system is to allocate goods and services. High wages allocate a larger share of the output of an economy to a particular person than low wages. Appreciation in asset values (such as prices of shares of stock, or value of a home or piece of land) also act to increase the share of the goods and services produced by the economy to an individual. Payment of interest, dividends and rents are other ways of allocating goods and services that the economy makes. Governments can print money, but they cannot print goods and services!

As the economy gets more complex, the non-elite workers increasingly get left out of the distribution of goods and services. For one thing (not mentioned on Slide 10), as the economy becomes more complex, an increasing share of the goods and services produced by the economy need to go into making all of the intermediate goods that make that industrial economy work. Intermediate goods would include factories, semi-trucks, hydroelectric dams, oil pipelines and other goods and services that don’t directly benefit an individual consumer. They are needed to make the overall system work.

As the economy gets bigger and more complex, the non-elite workers increasingly find themselves left out. Besides losing an increasing part of the output of the intermediate goods and services mentioned in the prior paragraph, there are other pieces that take slices of the total output of goods and services:

  • High paid workers take their quite-large slices of the total output. These individuals tend to be the ones who get the benefit of asset appreciation, as well.
  • Pension programs and other programs to help the elderly and unemployed take a cut.
  • Health insurance costs, in the US at least, tend to be very high, relative to wages, for lower-paid workers.
  • The work of some employees can be replaced by low-paid overseas employees or by robots. If they are to keep their jobs, their wages need to be suitably low to compete.

With all of these issues, the workers at the bottom of the employment hierarchy increasingly get left out of the distribution of goods and services made by the economy.

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We know some of the kinds of things that happen when economies are close to collapse from the writings of researchers such as Peter Turchin, lead author of Secular Cycles, and Joseph Tainter, mentioned earlier. One approach is for governments to try to work around the resource problem by starting wars with other economies whose resources they might gain. Probably a more likely outcome is that these low-resource-per-capita economies become vulnerable to attack by other economies because of their weakened condition. In any event, more conflict is likely as resource limits hit.

If the low incomes of non-elite workers persist, many bad outcomes can be expected. Local riots can be expected as citizens protest their low wages or pensions. Governments are likely to find that they cannot collect enough taxes. Governments will also find that they must cut back on programs, or (in today’s world) their currencies will sink relative to currencies of other countries. Intergovernmental organizations may fail for lack of funding, or governments may be overthrown by unhappy citizens.

Debt defaults can be expected. Governments have a long history of defaulting on their debts when conditions were bad according to Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff in This Time Is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly.

It becomes very easy for epidemics to take hold because of the poor eating habits and the close living quarters of non-elite workers.

With respect to inflation-adjusted commodity prices, it is logical that they would stay low because a large share of the population would be impoverished and thus not able to afford very many of these commodities. A person would expect gluts of commodities, as occurred during the Great Depression in the 1930s in the United States because many farmers and farm-hands had been displaced by modern farming equipment. We also find that the book of Revelation from the Bible seems to indicate that low prices and lack of demand were problems at the time of the collapse of ancient Babylon (Revelation 18:11-13).

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Much of what peak oil theory misunderstands is what our society as a whole misunderstands. Most people seem to believe that our economy will grow endlessly unless we somehow act to slow it down or stop it. They cannot imagine that the economy comes with built-in brakes, provided by the laws of physics.

Armed with a belief in endless growth, economists assume that the economy can expand year after year at close to the same rate. Modelers of all kinds, including climate modelers, miss the natural feedback loops that lead to the end of fossil fuel extraction without any attempt on our part to stop its extraction. A major part of the problem is that added complexity leads to too much wage and wealth disparity. Eventually, the low wages of many of the workers filter through to oil and other energy prices, making prices too low for producers.

Collapse isn’t instantaneous, as we will see on Slide 26. As resources per capita fall too low, there are several ways to keep problems hidden. More debt at lower interest rates can be added. New financial techniques can be developed to hide problems. Increased globalization can be used. Corners can be cut on electricity transmission, installation and maintenance, and in the building of new electricity generating structures. It is only when the economy hits a bump in the road (such as a climate-related event) that there suddenly is a major problem: Electricity production fails, or not enough food is produced. In fact, California, Florida, and China have all encountered the need for rolling blackouts with respect to electricity in the past year; China is now encountering difficulty with inadequate food supply, as well.

Economists have played a major role in hiding problems with energy with their models that seem to show that prices can be expected to rise if there is a shortage of oil or other energy. Their models miss the point that adequate supplemental energy is just as important for demand as it is for supply of finished goods and services. The reason energy is important for demand is because demand depends on the wages of workers, and the wages of workers in turn depend on the productivity of those workers. The use of energy supplies to allow workers to operate tools of many kinds (such as computers, trucks, electric lights, ovens, and agricultural equipment) greatly influences the productivity of those workers.

A person who believes energy prices can rise endlessly is likely to believe that recycling can increase without limit because of ever-rising prices. Such a person is also likely to believe that the substitution of intermittent renewables for fossil fuels will work because high prices for scarce electricity will enable an approach that is inherently high-cost, if any continuity of supply is required.

Thus, the confusion isn’t so much that of peak oilers. Instead, the confusion is that of economists and scientists building models based on past history. These models miss the turning points that occur as limits approach. They assume that future patterns will replicate past patterns, but this is not what happens in a finite world. If we lived in a world without limits, their models would be correct. This confusion is very much built into today’s thinking.

In fact, we are living in an economic system/ecosystem that has brakes to it. These brakes are being applied now, even though 99%+ of the population isn’t aware of the problem. The system will protect itself, quite possibly using the approach of evicting most humans.

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The opinions expressed in Slide 13 reflect some of the views I have heard expressed speaking with peak oilers and with people looking into issues from a biophysical economics perspective. Obviously, views differ from person to person.

Many people believe that resources in the ground provide a good estimate of the quantity of fossil fuels that can be extracted in the future. Peak oilers tend to believe that the available resources will need to have sufficiently high “Energy Returned on Energy Invested” (EROEI) ratios to make extraction feasible. Politicians and climate modelers tend to believe that prices can rise endlessly, so low EROEI is no obstacle. They seem to believe that anything that we have the technical skill to extract, even coal under the North Sea, can be extracted.

If a person believes the high estimates of fossil fuel resources that seem to be available and misses the point that the economy has built-in brakes, climate change becomes the issue of major concern.

My view is that most of the resources that seem to be available will be left in the ground because of low prices and problems associated with collapse, such as failing governments and broken supply lines. In any event, we do not really have the ability to fix the climate; the laws of physics will provide their own adjustment. We will simply need to live with whatever climate is provided. Humans lived through ice-ages in the past. Presumably, whatever humans remain after what seems to be an upcoming bottleneck will be able to live in suitable areas of the world in the future.

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On Slide 14, note that today’s industrial economy must necessarily come to an end, just as the lives of hurricanes and of people come to an end.

Also note that with diminishing returns, the cost of producing many of the things listed on Slide 14 is rising. For example, with rising population, dry areas of the world eventually need to use desalination to get enough fresh water for their growing populations. Desalination is expensive. Even if the necessary workaround is simply deeper wells, this still adds costs.

With diminishing returns affecting many parts of the economy simultaneously, it becomes increasingly difficult for efforts in the direction of efficiency to lead to costs that are truly lower on an inflation-adjusted basis. Advanced education and health care in particular tend to have an ever-rising inflation-adjusted costs of production. Some minerals do as well, as the quality of ores depletes.

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An important issue to note is that wages need to cover all the rising costs, even the rising cost of health care. The paychecks of many people, especially those without advanced education, fall too low to meet all of their needs.

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Slides 16 and 17 describe some of the reasons why oil prices don’t necessarily rise with scarcity.

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I was one of the co-authors of the Ke Wang paper mentioned in Slide 18. We developed three different forecasts of how much oil would be extracted in China, depending on how high oil prices would be able to rise. The Red Line is the “Stays Low” Scenario, with prices close to $50 per barrel. The Yellow Line is the “Ever-Rising Prices” Scenario. The Best Estimate reflects the expectation that prices would be in roughly the $100 to $120 barrel range, from 2015 onward.

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In fact, oil prices have stayed fairly low, and China’s oil production has declined, as our paper predicted.

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Note that the chart on Slide 21 shows wage disparity only in the US. On this basis, the share of wages going to the top 1% and top 0.1% are back at the levels that they were in the 1920s. Now, our economy is much more global. If we consider all of the low income people in the world, the worldwide wage disparity is much greater.

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There are two things to note on Slide 22. The first is that producers, in inflation-adjusted terms, seem to need very high prices, approximately $120 per barrel or more. This is based on a presentation made by Steve Kopits, which I wrote up here: Beginning of the End? Oil Companies Cut Back on Spending.

The other thing to note is that oil prices tend to bounce around a great deal. Prices seem to depend on the amount of debt and on interest rates, as well as the wages of workers. The peak in oil prices in mid-2008 came precisely at the time the debt bubble broke with respect to mortgage and credit card debt in the US. I wrote about this in an article in the journal Energy called, Oil Supply Limits and the Continuing Financial Crisis.

The US instituted Quantitative Easing (QE) at the end of 2008. QE acted to lower interest rates. With the help of QE, the price of oil gradually rose again. When the US discontinued QE in late 2014, oil prices fell. Recently, there has been a great deal of QE done, as well as direct spending by governments, but oil prices are still far below the $120 per barrel level. Middle Eastern oil producers especially need high oil prices, in order to collect the high tax revenue that they depend upon to provide programs for their citizens.

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Coal prices (Slide 23) tend to follow somewhat the same pattern as oil prices (Slide 22). There is very much the same balancing act with coal prices as well: Coal prices need to be high enough for producers, but not too high for customers to buy products made with coal, such as electricity and steel.

China tries to keep its coal prices relatively high in order to encourage production within the country. China has been limiting imports to try to keep prices high. The relatively high coal prices of China make it an attractive destination for coal exporters. There are now a large number of boats waiting outside China hoping to sell coal to China at an attractive price.

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The blue line on Figure 24 represents total energy consumption up through 2020. The red dotted line is a rough guesstimate of how energy consumption might fall. This decline could happen if people wanting energy consumption coming only from renewables were able to succeed by 2050 (except I am doubtful that these renewable energy types would really be of much use by themselves).

Alternatively, this might also be the decline that our self-organizing economy takes us on. We are already seeing a decrease in energy consumption related to the current pandemic. I think governmental reactions to the pandemic were prompted, in part, by the very stretched condition of our oil and other energy supplies. Countries were experiencing riots over low wages. They also could not afford to import as much oil as they were importing. Shutdowns in response to COVID-19 cases seemed like a sensible thing to do. They helped restore order and saved on energy imports. Strangely enough, the pandemic may be a part of the collapse that our self-organizing economy is arranging for us.

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Slide 25 takes the blue line from Slide 24 and looks at what happened in more detail. On Slide 25, we are looking at the average annual increase in energy consumption, for a given 10 year period. This is split between the rate of population growth (blue), and the energy consumption growth that went into other things, which I equate to change in “standard of living” (red). The big red humps represent very good times, economically. The post-World War II bump is especially high. The valleys are times of disturbing changes, including wars and the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Of course, all of these situations occurred during periods when energy consumption was generally rising. If these unfortunate things happened when oil consumption was rising, what might possibly happen when energy consumption is falling?

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We now seem to be hitting the Crisis Stage. In the past, collapse (which takes place in the Crisis Stage) has not been instantaneous; it has taken place over quite a number of years, typically 20 or more. The world economy is quite different now, with its international trade system and heavy use of debt. It would seem likely that a collapse could happen more quickly. A common characteristic of collapses, such as avalanches, is that they often seem to start off fairly slowly. Then, suddenly, a large piece breaks away, and there is a big collapse. Something analogous to this could possibly happen with the economy, too.

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One of the major issues with adding intermittent renewables to the electric grid is a pricing problem. Once wind and solar are given subsidies (even the subsidy of “going first”), all of the other types of electricity production seem to need subsidies, as well. It is the pricing systems that are terribly detrimental, although this is not generally noticed. In fact, researchers who are looking only at energy may not even care if the pricing is wrong. Ultimately, the low pricing for electricity can be expected to bring the electric grid down, just as inadequate prices for fossil fuels can be expected to lead to the closure of many fossil fuel producers. Both Texas and California are having difficulty because they have not been collecting enough funds from customers to build resilient systems.

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The focus of EROEI research is often with respect to whether the EROEI of a particular type of energy production is “high enough,” relative to some goal, such as 3:1 or 10:1. I believe that there needs to be more focus on the total quantity of net energy produced. If there is an EROEI goal for highly complex energy types, it needs to be much higher than for less complex energy types.

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Today, it is common to see the EROEIs of a number of different types of energy displayed side-by-side as if they were comparable. This type of comparison is also made with other energy metrics, such as “Levelized Cost of Electricity” and “Energy Payback Period.” I think this approach makes highly complex types of energy production, such as intermittent wind and solar, look better than they really are. Even intermittent hydroelectric power generation, such as is encountered in places with rainy seasons and dry seasons and in places that are subject to frequent droughts, is not really comparable to electricity supply that can be provided year-around by fossil fuel providers, if adequate storage is available.

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Earlier in this post, I documented a number of reasons why we should expect low rather than high energy prices in the future. I am reiterating the point here because it is a point energy researchers need especially to be aware of. Production is likely to come to an end because it is unprofitable.

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One characteristic of human-made complexity is that it has very little redundancy. If something goes wrong in one part of one system, it is likely to ripple through that system, as well as other systems to which the first system is connected. An outage of oil is likely to indirectly affect electricity because oil is needed to fix problems with electricity transmission lines. An electricity outage may cause disruption in oil drilling and refining, and even in filling up automobiles at service stations. An international trade disruption can break supply lines and leave shipping containers at the wrong end of the globe.

We know that collapse tends to lead to less complex systems. We should expect fewer jobs requiring advanced education. We should expect to start losing battles against infectious diseases. We should expect a reduction in international trade; in the future, it may primarily take place among a few trusted partners. Some intergovernmental organizations are likely to disappear. Peak oil cannot happen by itself; it can only happen with disruptions and shrinkage in many other parts of the economy, as well.

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The climate is indeed changing. Unfortunately, we humans have little ability to change what is happening, especially at this late date. Arguably, some changes could have been made much earlier, for example in the 1970s when the modeling included in the 1972 book The Limits to Growth by Donnela Meadows and others showed that the world economy was likely to hit limits before 2050.

It is clear to many people that the world economy is now struggling. There is too much debt; young people are having trouble finding jobs that pay well enough; people in poor countries are increasingly more food insecure. Leaders everywhere would like solutions. The “easy” solution to offer is that intermittent wind and solar will solve all our problems, including climate change. The closer a person looks at the situation, the more the solution seems like nonsense. Wind and solar work passably well at small concentrations within electric systems, if it is possible to work around their pricing problems. But they don’t scale up well. Energy researchers especially should be aware of these difficulties.

The book Rare Earth: Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe by Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee points out that there have been an amazing number of what seem to be coincidences that have allowed life on Earth to flourish for four billion years. Perhaps these coincidences will continue. Perhaps there is an underlying plan that we are not aware of.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,333 Responses to Why Collapse Occurs; Why It May Not Be Far Away

  1. hillcountry says:

    Gail – wondered if you commented on this article when it came out? It sure sounds like the movers and shakers are fully committed to rolling the dice on electric cars (among other things). It surprised me to read that 35 of those are coming to markets in 2021. Turning oil-surplus into batteries seems like such a losing proposition. Are they just buying time or has delusion reached the Alzheimer’s stage. Will oil-wars become mining-wars?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-peak-oil-era-is-suddenly-upon-us/

  2. Rodster says:

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    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/conspiracy/alexa-does-bill-gates-kill-people/

  3. Dennis L. says:

    A continuation of Mat’s post.
    http://matsfineoils.com/blog.html

    He writes well, he has been at this for many years. I see farming up close and personal, an option is to place all my land in CRP if possible and make a fair living off the land, it is mine. The problem is the family which farms my land has very expensive machinery, they are family and when I purchased my farms the former tenants lost their lease – two years later they went bankrupt.

    Modern farming is easier on the land, but it is not sustainable. Biden wants to rest land as I understand it, probably good long term, a great deal of pain short term and even printing dollars will not solve the scale issues.

    Like the sun, nothing is forever, including we humans. Mat is one year older than I, had leukemia, no longer able to work as hard as he once did, apparently no children, unable to keep help.

    To see a modern family farm you might visit Ivers farms on YouTube – it is 40 miles from one end to the other of their operation, there are perhaps two sons, dad still works, huge equipment and yet the largest issue is people. Two of their employees are leaving, one for four years in the Marines- that will be easy for him. Replacing them is very difficult – a combine is easily $600K with a head, very easy to break, very expensive to maintain.

    Loss of dirt is a real issue, there are no easy solutions.

    Dennis L.

    • Kowalainen says:

      How about taking the plunge and source a CNC machine. When shit breaks, manufacture spares and other tools yourself.

      Take a few online courses on maintenance, electronics, programming, additive and subtractive design and how to machine parts.

      Keep your combine. Improve it over time. Be your own mechanic and repairman.

      Quite soon that combine will be a frankenmonster of necessary reliability with half of it manufactured by you.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Have a complete machine shop, manual, have done CNC. K., it takes a great deal of knowledge to do that sort of thing, time is a limiting factor as well as a place to do the work. Look at Larson Farms on YouTube, the size of their shop, huge.

        I think you are correct about the frankenmonster, JD and others do not release dx codes, need a dealer. Part of this is due to pollution/liability concerns, DEF is very expensive to maintain – again this argues for scale and for that see Ivers Farms.

        In the end, it is too much to learn, electronics, etc. Becoming a very good welder is not easy, welding is a science in itself.

        Again, I don’t see easy solutions, my soil is being mined, gently, but it is being mined. Recently a Construction King was purchased to maintain the soil and waterways, etc., and with every machine I am aware it is one more device to maintain. The Bobcat was $1500 this spring, oil change and some maintenance secondary to mice. Not sure about the Construction King, but oil is measured in gallons not quarts and filters for fuel and oil are very expensive.

        Dennis L.

        • Kowalainen says:

          Treat them like your petroleum burning princesses of IC. Wash, clean, lube, parked away from the elements. The worst enemy of hydraulics and electronics is dirt and moist.

          Buy older second hand gear and perhaps have them blueprinted/overhauled up to factory new specs?

          I’m sure a well maintained old tractor/combine can get the job done, however slower and probably quite hard to find in the second hand market.

          But whatever, I’m clueless about agriculture, except I dearly appreciate the food that automagically appears in the supermarket. Keep up the good job.

          👍

        • Ivan says:

          Dennis L- I like your viewpoint on most topics, thank you. I am currently reading “A Small Farm Future” by Chris Smaje. I have not read enough but I like where he is going. Here is a review from Ted Trainer:

          https://www.resilience.org/stories/2021-03-08/some-thoughts-on-chris-smajes-small-farm-future/

          Quote from Ted- The book is a valuable contribution to thinking about the situation we are in and the path to a sustainable future.

          I am of the belief that we need to break up large mono-crop farms into maybe 20 acre homesteads for intensive food production. Of course there are numerous barriers to getting there, but I hope we can make some progress getting there.

          Anyway, thanks for your contributions.

          Ivan

          • Fast Eddy says:

            I’m happy to contribute a chapter on spent fuel ponds for the next edition….

            I could also throw in a graphic description of what happens when violent armed criminals ambush the preppers shooting them dead while they weed their gardens… then eat all the food… including the animals… then move on to the children… while raping the women….

            I’ll do it for free … public service.

            Better get that edition out soon though….

    • hillcountry says:

      Dennis, your post brought up some thoughts.

      I definitely agree there are no easy solutions regarding food and soil but one bright spot is the increasing interest in spreading ecological knowledge and practice more widely here in the states of late. I remember meeting my first eco-farmer back in 1979 in Canby Minnesota while visiting a Charolais cattle-breeder who was involved the American Agricultural Movement. We had shared some activism centered on certain insights about commodity markets and coercive and seductive ag-policy, just after the tractor-cade to Wash DC and prior to the mass-bankruptcies of 500,000 family farmers in the mid-80’s.

      His neighbor, the ecologically astute farmer, was talking the same things back then that one commonly hears today about microbial life in the soil. There were many farmers and ranchers over the years since who wrote a library’s worth of articles for Acres USA magazine, some of whom are pretty well known today in the Regenerative Agriculture space. The institute promoting Allan Savory’s work has a RA-certification and the Rodale Institute has another. Gabe Brown and Ray Archuleta’s group is working on RA cert-standards as well. Whole Foods Market is getting up-to-speed on the variety of practices that can be gathered under the “RA” umbrella and marketed as such.

      White Oaks Pastures is just knocking it out of the park. Their model could inspire many others as it becomes more well known. I’m hoping to find something that even comes close to approximating what they’re doing here in Michigan. Personally, if things get to the point where White Oaks Pastures’ customers can’t afford to have frozen-meat shipped, I’d rather be living within walking distance to Bluffton Georgia than just about anywhere I can think of. They have many YouTube videos showing what they’re doing.

      The downside to any realistic hopes of turning-the-ship of chemical-agriculture to any substantial amount is the difficulty of replicating these small-scale alternative family-based co-operative types of agricultural production, since they often rely on mixed-market strategies (CSA, direct-shipping, retail contracts, etc.) which require a lot of time to develop and involve many unique variables coming together efficiently. Seven Sons Farms in Indiana is one example of solving the problem through having a large family and generational momentum. Will Harris at White Oaks Pastures has both of those going for him, plus nearly 200 employees and birth-to-slaughter right on his ranch.

      But, the flip-side to the difficulty of developing these operations is that they’re far more resilient in times of supply-chain, wholesale and other disruptions, being more adaptable and diversified and consumer-facing. They’re not going to solve the problem of feeding the world any time soon, but these Regenerative Ag methods are proving their merit to those partaking in them. Gabe Brown’s been at it for over 20 years and things just keep getting better and easier at his place. One fascinating pioneer of livestock production most people haven’t heard of is Sabino Cortez who wrote the article Serengeti Grazing in Acres years ago. All these folks know that the primary livestock they’re raising is below the surface of the ground and that feeding and nurturing microbial life is good stewardship of everything above. When and if the lights go out, they’ll be the ones selling tallow candles.

      I enjoy making my dollars speak and passing along certain knowledge I’ve gleaned over the years. It’s about all I can do these days, given obligations that require most of my attention. I’d love to be hanging out with horses like those wonderful pictures of Mat and his team. Thanks for posting those links Gail.

      • Thanks for your links, Hill Country. Also thanks to Dennis for his thoughts. My mother was raised on a farm. I have had a modest amount of exposure to farming, over the years. It is hard to see how we can “go backwards” with farming. Most farming is terribly dependent on fertilizer. I understand the price is higher this year; the quantity being produced is lower is at least part of the problem.

        The soil is being mined out. We need the microbes beneath the soil. We also need all of the micronutrients that are not being supplied in the standard fertilizers. It is a worrisome time ahead.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Oh but they’ll make more fertilizer using the manure from the barnyard animals!

          Hang on… won’t the first thing that the hordes kill and eat be…. the barnyard animals???

          And when there are no barnyard animals…and they’ve ripped and eaten the veggies … won’t they then do what starving humans have done many times throughout history — eat the children?

          Reading an excellent history of New York — Gotham — at one point people were cutting down orchards to get wood for their fires during the hard winters…

          That delusional bucolic existence … will in reality resemble Year Zero (Cambodia)

          https://img.reelgood.com/content/movie/a9baa78f-314a-4917-8beb-d80ff6727854/backdrop-1920.jpg

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    Let’s play connect the dots…

    A COVID-19 variant discovered in California has been dubbed “the devil” by one of the scientists studying it. And he fears if its spread isn’t stopped, it could one day meet the highly infectious UK variant and swap genes, creating a “nightmare scenario”.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/02/coronavirus-mutant-covid-19-virus-dubbed-the-devil-causing-concern-in-california.html

    If you have not watched this I would highly recommend doing so — because there is a leading vaccine specialist who states that there is an immense risk of creating very dangerous variants of Covid by using these ‘vaccines’ … he does not think there is a conspiracy to create these variants… he just thinks they have got it wrong … and need to change course immediately before it is too late (he is naive)

    https://youtu.be/ZJZxiNxYLpc

    Then as we know Dr Michael Yeadon has launched a legal action against the FDA to stop the roll out of the vaccines https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/22/synthetic-mrna-covid-vaccines-a-risk-benefit-analysis/

    One final dot – here is Trudeau admitting ‘variants are under development’

    https://youtu.be/dHpgSqySJ1Y

    • Dennis L. says:

      FE, I am going to make a guess and do so in a respectful manner.

      1. If one is too difficult in allowing ships to dock at a remote outpost, soon they will not dock. In part this issue has been discussed relating to availability of containers and their not being in the correct place.

      2. Many places are locking down or did lock down, or have locked down, or unlocking. I posted a rather raunchy video of Miami as well as a video of the Villages in FL. People are out, people are mixing, people are living their lives, most are entirely oblivious to fuel ponds. If that happens, they will have memories of good times.

      3. Viruses, bugs are part of us, some of us will adapt biologically, some will not and life will go on; it will not be fair but that doesn’t seem to be part of nature.

      4. I will get the vaccine and hope for the best – not being out socially is the pits, all of us need other people. Sure it is a risk, for me all the good stuff has always been at the edge, some will fall off the cliff, some will not; a couple of times my reach exceeded my grasp and hanging on by one’s fingernails is an experience.

      It is a wonderful world, opportunities are all over, the sooner one begins taking them, the greater the compounding one can enjoy.

      Dennis L.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I think you should take the Lethal Injection. Justin said that is in the best interests of everyone – and I believe that he is sincere… as a snowflake, he’d be adverse to anyone fighting to the death over a can of beans…

        And it is a Lethal Injection otherwise why would it be pushed on children — when we know that almost no children are experiencing severe illness or death if the contract covid.

        You simply to not risk an entire generation by enrolling them in an experiment — for no reason.

        Stand by and Devil Covid breeds with South African Covid and we get Nightmare Covid.

        Take the injection. I truly believe it is a good idea

    • Rodster says:

      Those pushing the narrative need to keep the “fear, panic and hysteria” at level 9 at all times. If not he Plebs will figure out for themselves this has all been a bunch of BS,

  5. hillcountry says:

    Vancouver Real Estate video from 4 years ago. Things may not have changed. Cash buyers.

    THE COST OF CHINA’S MILLIONAIRE MIGRATION

    • I listened to parts of this. The wealthy immigrants to Vancouver raised property prices, but are declaring little in current income, so are paying little in taxes. The higher property prices and taxes aren’t necessarily appreciated by Canadian citizens. It make it hard to have a profitable business, even in China town.

  6. Biden Can Barely Read the Teleprompter as He Tries to Explain why the $1.9 Trillion Covid Bill is ‘Good For the Economy’ (VIDEO)
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/03/biden-can-barely-read-teleprompter-tries-explain-1-9-trillion-covid-bill-good-economy-video/

    • Denial says:

      Who cares?

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      our US national embarrassment continues.

      not even one press conference yet, and way overdue on a State of the Union address.

      the MSM (over 90% populated by D left “journalists”) will continue to cover for him and bury his spoken disasters.

      • Xabier says:

        Like that African kingdom (which one?)when they concealed the death of the king and carried him around in a litter, pretending to serve him in his tent.

        Why not just snuff Biden out with a pillow and send him to the taxidermist – would be quite as much use, and maybe even look better if the specialist knows his job ……

        We are all now caught in a death spiral of lies and propaganda. It’s consoling to think that the ecological collapse will also bring down these criminals.

      • Denial says:

        Really?!??! Obviously you have not been paying attention the last 10 years and have not been r reading Gail’s post. It does not matter what team is winning?!? The D’s or the R’s everything is baked in already. I wish we could have a political comment section so you could banter in there and not waste space here

    • Jarle says:

      This is what the downturn looks like …

  7. racoon#9.5meg says:

    Eddy;
    I would like to purchase one of your “Foxes and Fuel ponds” 2021 calendars please.
    Sincerely
    #9.5

  8. 3,000 protest coronavirus restrictions, vaccines in Romanian capital

    Thousands of protesters gathered in Romania’s capital, Bucharest, on Sunday to protest COVID-19 restrictions and vaccinations, which they fear will become compulsory.

    Photos taken by The Associated Press and others on social media showed large crowds carrying signs and other materials with anti-mask and anti-vaccine slogans, including one reading, “Say no to forced vaccination.”
    https://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/542036-3000-protest-coronavirus-restrictions-vaccines-in-romanian

    • nikoB says:

      Don’t trust the pricks.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      I am thinking it does not matter if you refuse the jab… what they need is for enough people to take it and that will unleash Nightmare Covid and that will wipe everyone out.

      The vast majority of CovIDIOTS will take this thing …

      Alternatively punishment for not taking the jab is you get to see what life is like without electricity, food — as you wait for someone to cave your head in and roast your liver — and rape your women and enslave your children.

      Take the Vaccine … Take the Vaccine… words of wisdom from Run DMC

  9. I have enough of everything, Many forms of electricity from sunflower powered diesel generators, solar cells, lots of clean water, the farm paid for, no debts, all of our own food even have horses to work the farm. My life is very complete and I look forward to every day. Being 73 years old is good as I have to work hard every day and this keeps me in good physical shape with the best organic food we grow ourselves. And working with horses gives one a great perspective on working in a team. I know the horses and they know me. I consider each one and their abilities taking time to care for them every day. I lack for nothing but I’m sure many will consider this far too much work for so little monetary compensation.. but for me its the lifestyle that keeps me loving being here on the farm. And my wife feels the same.. yes her chickens feed us too. I often wonder what makes people live their lifestyle… work all day, eat processed food, watch television and then start all over again the next day.
    I live a simple happy life with my wife, few cats, horses, cow and many wonderful chickens.

    • I see you have a website as well, with lots of nice photos. I deduce from what you say that you are in Southern Ontario, Canada, just north of Lake Erie.

      http://matsfineoils.com

      http://matsfineoils.com/farm%20photos%202021.html

      This is a page about your windmill. It doesn’t sound like it is still in use.
      http://matsfineoils.com/Sustainable%20life/windmill%2007/Windmill.htm

      It sounds like you are a real do-it-yourselfer. Some questions you might want to think about are

      (1) How much off farm inputs would continue to be needed? How do you heat your home, for example?
      (2) How much are you depending on BAU to sell the organic vegetable oils you make with the sunflower seeds you grow?
      (3) How much is required to be paid in taxes and utilities, which will continue to need to be paid?

      It is hard to know what can continue. The work you are doing is satisfying, and that is worth quite a bit, in my opinion.

      • Dennis L. says:

        I followed this fellow for a number of years and then his website disappeared. He has been at it for some time and is very talented.

        There is something about this way of life that is very satisfying, so often there is negative discourse about renewable energy bordering on cynicism; yet, people like Matt are for want of a better word comforting. The feeling is similar to what was at MREA when the fair was still going and intellectually at Ecosophia. Not everyone who builds windmills is tilting at them; yet, it is a very hard way to make a buck. A group called Otherpower.com was very active for a long time and then pretty much faded.

        What I don’t see with these groups are children, children are very expensive; many in Western Civ. have stopped sharing their resources with the next generation and now find that the next generation is migrating in and not being replaced from within, that is no longer comforting.

        As for taxes, insurance, FSA has CRP programs and others that pay directly to the owner, that will cover taxes and insurance.

        You put it well that the work is satisfying.

        Dennis L.

      • Donn Hewes says:

        Gail, you ask good questions above, about the supposed sustainability of the small independent farm above. I also have a small farm powered by horses, but one thing I have gained from reading your posts is that the failure won’t be on the farm; it will be all around it. The systems it depends on, even when they may not be obvious. I think one of the first things good small farms will run into is marketing and getting paid the good prices for locally crafted healthy food. The demand will be strong , sure, but getting paid enough might be become a problem.

        • hillcountry says:

          I agree, Donn. Much respect to you and yours. It must be a very satisfying life. One problem farmers I’ve known in Texas and Michigan report is a fair amount of cheating at farmers markets. Usually it’s “home-made” cheeses and “organic” vegetables. I don’t know much about the meat side of it. People running these markets are often reluctant to run the cheaters off, even though they’re breaking established rules. I’m seeing evidence here in Michigan of well-off consumers getting much closer to “local” than ever before and not batting an eye at paying the price. Bison from the Upper Peninsula fetches a premium for instance. Things may evolve to having a lot more very small specialized retailers connecting local-to-local like is seen now in Ann Arbor, almost a consignment model with products labeled by farm; on top of a continuation of CSA’s mushrooming as they have over the last 15 years. I also wonder about your payment concerns; if farm-survival via niche-marketing and value-added is going to be possible if average purchasing-power deteriorates. There’ve been a lot of successful turn-arounds in prior years as farmers figured out how to differentiate their products but those were in relative good-times.

          • Dennis L. says:

            I know nothing about farmers’ markets; but there was a saying.

            “Work for the classes, live with the masses, work for the masses, live with the classes.”

            Translation, not sure if one can make a living with a farmer’s market, again, no personal knowledge, tough to get any volume one would think.

            Did know one organic farmer of some scale, made enough to purchase dance lessons – dance lessons are very expensive so maybe it can be done.

            Dennis L.

        • Somehow, these farmers will need to find an adequate number of customers who can afford to pay a higher price. There may also be problems with people stealing small parts of crops.

          • Kowalainen says:

            I’d buy Dennis crops and refined foodstuffs if I’d be living in the vicinity of his farm. He could charge 2x the price, perhaps even more. If push comes to shove I could operate the machinery in his shed and drive that combine for shits and giggles. 😎

            It might not be much, but it is a start.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          37:30 mark … it starts to get interesting

          https://youtu.be/YtHfI00D_s4

    • doomphd says:

      viewing your site reminds me of my grandparent’s family photos circa 1930s. they were farmers and always had a horse in the family photo. he/she must have been their pride and joy. seems corny now, but we’ll see about the future.

    • JesseJames says:

      Your picts bring to mind one of my best vacations. I had become interested in draft horses, subscribing to the old Small Farmers Journal. I heard of a Drafthorse “school” near St Louis and took it. Turns out it was taught by the son of the man who managed the entire Clydsdale operation for Budweiser. We worked with the Clyde’s for a week at the farm of a wealthy family who had everything Clydesdales, arenas, wagons, you name it. Learned to harness teams up, control them and even drive a wagon with an eight horse hitch.the Clyde’s were really gentle creatures, except for the stallions. That was a terrific week!

    • Xabier says:

      No work is too much if one enjoys it.

      ‘The power to be alone with earth and skies,
      To go about a task in quietude;
      Aware at once of Nature’s surrounding mood,
      And of an insect crawling on a stone’.

      Vita Sackville-West.

  10. Nehemiah says:

    This is how many minutes of work average people required to buy various food items in 1919 versus 1997. Imagine if your food bill quintupled in the post peak age!
    https://youtu.be/LQaw2fix3q0?list=TLPQMDUwMzIwMjGIUcHELdZEYg&t=4125

    • I expect for a lot of poor people in the world today (in India, Africa and various Latin American and South American countries), prices for food are still very high, in terms of number of hours they need to work to get sufficient food. I wonder if they are closer to the 1919 figure than to today’s figure.

      If the economy changes to get rid of all of the non-essentials, It would seem as though food prices could in some sense quintuple. In fact, a lot of bank accounts could disappear in the process as well.

      • Dennis L. says:

        I can eat nicely for say $8.00/day, grapefruit in AM along with oatmeal, filet(small, Sam’s choice, cut in two), a salad and broccoli in the PM. Were I to work at Menard’s for $15/hour, not much of an issue, 30 minutes per day pre tax. As a bonus, purchase my building materials at employee’s discount.

        Were I to make a soup with soup meat and a bone, dumplings, carrots, etc. it would be a meal of my youth, cut grapefruit in half, $.50/ grapefruit, purchase oat meal in large boxes(Sam’s), PBG sandwich lunch, could feed a family of three. Trick is to find the meat in the soup, dive, dive, dive.

        One income in our family, three generations, $5-6K per year, say 1960, Cadillac 5K, now $50K, 10x increase, current salary would be $50-60K per year, same thing. Augment with some side work, placing sidewalks, etc. Mom didn’t work, stayed home, ran PTA, YMCA, ladies’ aid, etc.

        We have to adapt, life changes, bank accounts did disappear in the 1930’s, it happened to my mom’s sister, wrong bank, she married well, lived in Pacific Palisades for a time. Life did not end. Even in poor areas of the world some manage to do well.

        Dennis L.

  11. Rodster says:

    “Adverse Incident Reports Show 966 Deaths Following Vaccination for COVID-19”

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/adverse-incident-reports-show-966-deaths-following-vaccination-for-covid-19_3723384.html?utm_source=morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-03-07

    “According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19.

    Between Dec. 14 and Feb. 19, 19,769 reports were made to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) following immunizations with either the Moderna or Pfizer BioNTech mRNA vaccines (the only two vaccines given during the time period assessed). At this time, VAERS data is not available after Feb. 19.

    The 966 deaths represent 5 percent of the total number of adverse events reports. Of those who died, 86, (8.9 percent) died on the same day they got the shot. An additional 129, (13.4 percent) died within one day. An additional 97 died within 2 days, and 61 within 3 days.

    A total of 514 (53.2 percent) died within a week. 173 died within 7-13 days. 106 within 14-20 days.

    85 percent of deaths occurred in individuals over 60; below 60 there were five deaths among those aged 20-29; 8 aged 30-39; 20 aged 40-49; and 57 aged 50-59.”

    • I found a CDC report on the first month of vaccine safety monitoring in the US. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7008e3.htm
      It showed only 113 deaths, and two-thirds of these were among people in long term care facilities. The report said that that there were 13. 8 million doses of vaccine administered in that period, so that would be about .8 per hundred thousand, or about .008 per 1000. The CDC did not consider this alarming.

      There were many times as many doses administered during the second month. (With the reporting lag, we have only about two months of deaths, I expect.) Maybe we can guess about 55 million total doses in the base by the middle of February. If this is the case, maybe the number of deaths is about 1.7 or 1.8 per 100,000. This would be about double the death rate in the first month. (Maybe someone can come up with a better denominator.)

      The CDC might still not be alarmed by this. There were a lot of people in hospice in the early vaccinations. These people are often close to death to begin with. I would be interested to see what CDC has to say, when it eventually starts analyzing these deaths.

      • racoon#9.5meg says:

        Both my parents have now received the second VAX shot or covid shot as they call it. I have noted no change in cognitive function. Time will tell. Blind faith. Their lives their choice. I made no attempt to inform them other to tell them the basics and it was their choice. I knew my dad would take it no matter what. I probably could have talked my mom out of it but it would have been war with my dad. They are eagerly awaiting the return to normal now that they have done their part.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Start at the 7:00 point

          https://youtu.be/ZJZxiNxYLpc?t=419

          Its good that they have been ‘vaccinated’…. imagine being old and frail and having to deal with characters like this post collapse

          https://www.secretflying.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/russian-hooligans-750×400.png

          In all serious … for any of you who thinks post collapse will be an adventure… those are the kinds of people who will be coming for you — you won’t be able to all 911 cuz there won’t be any police or government…. you will be on your own — to deal with some vicious hungry brutal men.

          Do you have a wife with you? What about daughters? I urge you to think about them….

          You may want to consider taking the vaccine and pre-empting the violence and rape… and cannibalism… at the very least have a suicide plan.

          Making a stand will only result in your worst nightmare coming true

          https://youtu.be/aG2PyTMJq7U?t=101

          • racoon#9.5meg says:

            What was the german word that was being discussed- enjoying others suffering? Is there one for enjoying others fear?

            Where is the line drawn on educating others as to our situation and indulging in ego… and other things.

            I take Gails example (or try to). Offer the facts in plain language. Their choice to examine it or not.

            Although i do indulge in colorful imagery that i find is appropriate to describe the situation. I think its honest if not calm. This is based more on my needs to express how twisted things have become than a need to have others react a certain way.

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              schadenfreude!

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Shadenfroyd.

              But that’s not what is on display here… this is a warning… take the lethal injection to ensure that you do not have to face ‘The Road’ on Steroids

              The Elders are brutal… yet compassionate.

            • racoon#9.5meg says:

              I see. The VAX is suicide but like a fent OD its not a sin because you didnt “know” that it will kill you. Wont work for me. I know.

              Not to mention that maybe their is just the tinest possibility that we dont know what may happen…

            • Yorchichan says:

              An example of the sort of behaviour Fast is taliking about:

              https://rense.com/general39/allied.htm

              WARNING: Not for the faint of heart.

  12. Fast Eddy says:

    Geert Vanden Bossche PhD, is an internationally recognised vaccine developer having worked as the head of the Vaccine Development Office at the German Centre for Infection Research.

    Coordinated Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunisation’s Ebola Vaccine Program and contributed to the implementation of an integrated vaccine work plan in collaboration with Global Health Partners (WHO, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, CDC, UNICEF), regulators (FDA) and vaccine manufacturers to enable timely deployment or stockpiling of Ebola vaccine candidates.

    Highlighting the principle of using a prophylactic vaccine in the midst of a pandemic.

    Likely to create more more viral variants in the process.

    Sharing his perspective on mass vaccination in COVID-19.

    https://youtu.be/ZJZxiNxYLpc

    • This is a very fine video. The Dr. Bossche is very concerned that focusing our immune systems through these vaccines on very particular forms of the virus will cause the virus to mutate away. In fact, we are already seeing this. The virus will become more and more virulent, in response to what we are doing.

      Our bodies will have a more difficult time fighting a new mutation when it comes around, with these vaccines.

      I think Dr. Bossche is writing something about this issue, but I didn’t figure out where if can be found.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        That is probably the most important presentation in the history of civilization.

        You have a top vaccine scientist explaining how these vaccines are almost certainly going to result in dangerous variants of Covid — and towards the end you can feel that he is frightened.

        What he cannot come to grips with is that he thinks this is just an epic mistake… that we can still change course (Mike Yeadon is attempting to force a course change with a legal challenge).

        He is wrong of course.

        But then why would he suspect that the PTB are purposely trying to create this ‘Nightmare Virus?’

        He is surely unaware that we are burning 6 barrels of oil for every one we find … and that we have passed the Limits to Growth … and that civilization was headed for an uncontrolled collapse at the end of 2019…. and that there are these fellas I call The Elders… who are executing the CEP.

        And if I could have 20 minutes with him to try to explain all of this … he’d think I am insane.

        I will admit there is a very fine line between a 1000+ IQ and insanity …. but Fast Eddy is probably the sanest person on the planet.

        • MM says:

          I bet we have something in common alas I am concerned it is not IQ, hehe

        • hillcountry says:

          Thanks Fast Eddy – just wondering if the following is kind of what you’re thinking and if your mega-IQ can keep up with this guy.

          I put the tiny print in a Word Doc for convenient reading and I have noticed he doesn’t update the actual date on the page, even though he updated more than once since March 2020.

          there’s some New Zealand info half-way through

          http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184&sid=8bc5aba2ecf081f1fcf0658e6a866688

          • Fast Eddy says:

            I remember when the Wuhan fabrication was breaking … reading that millions had left the city for the CNYr holiday … and thinking this would spread far and wide…

            But it didn’t…

            I remember reading about how Ethiopia, the main hub for Chinese workers returning to Africa post CNYr was lambasted for allowing flights from Wuhan in… and being told they would be overwhelmed… they were not. Nor was or is Africa.

            It became obvious this was a stich-up. I skimmed the remainder of the paper … I didn’t notice a concluding section…. nothing on what he thinks the purpose of the ‘vaccine’ is.

        • Thanks!

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Open Letter to the WHO Re: Covid Vaccines

            Geert Vanden Bossche, DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine expert, formerly employed at GAVI https://www.gavi.org/our-alliance/about and The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

            To all authorities, scientists and experts around the world, to whom this concerns: the entire world population.

            Punchline:

            ‘From all of the above, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to imagine how the consequences of the extensive and erroneous human intervention in this pandemic are not going to wipe out large parts of our human population. One could only think of very few other strategies to achieve the same level of efficiency in turning a relatively harmless virus into a bioweapon of mass destruction.”

            https://mcusercontent.com/92561d6dedb66a43fe9a6548f/files/bead7203-0798-4ac8-abe2-076208015556/Public_health_emergency_of_international_concert_Geert_Vanden_Bossche.01.pdf

            Geert is screaming into the wind…he will be ignored by the WHO and the MSM….

            And the Elders .. well they of course know all of this …

            Like I have been saying…. these vaccines are FULLY TESTED…. we are moving into the Kill Phase… 8B bullets are being loaded into the Gun.

            And almost all of the 8B are willingly going to put this gun to their heads… and ask the nurse to pull the trigger

            Isn’t this AMAZING!!!! The Elders have outdone themselves… this is Genius…. Bravo … Bravo… BRAVO!!!!!

            Biggest thing since sliced bread this is… sum bitch… there are gonna do it… they are gonna take all of us out back of the barn and we will shoot ourselves.

            Think about the immensity of This MOMENT!

            World Wars… fire… steam engines… electricity …computers… flight… all side shows…

            This is IT. This is the End. How many years have we been waiting????

            A song? Yes a song… THE song…

            https://youtu.be/CIrvSJwwJUE

          • Fast Eddy says:

            And of course… we need some poetry to mark the moment…

            The Second Coming
            BY WILLIAM BUTLER YEATS

            Turning and turning in the widening gyre
            The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
            Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
            Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
            The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
            The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
            The best lack all conviction, while the worst
            Are full of passionate intensity.

            Surely some revelation is at hand;
            Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
            The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
            When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
            Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
            A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
            A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
            Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
            Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
            The darkness drops again; but now I know
            That twenty centuries of stony sleep
            Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
            And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
            Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

            https://youtu.be/IY2oIsA4c7k

        • Thanks!

          One thing Bossche says is

          Because natural Abs [antibodies] and innate immune cells recognize a diversified spectrum of foreign (i.e., non-self) agents (only some of which have pathogenic potential), it’s important, indeed, to keep it suffciently exposed to environmental challenges. By keeping the innate immune system (which, unfortunately, has no memory!) TRAINED, we can much more easily resist germs which have real pathogenic potential. It has, for example, been reported and scientifcally proven that exposure to other, quite harmless Coronaviruses causing a ‘common cold ’ can provide protection, although short-lived, against Covid-19 and its loyal henchmen (i.e., the more infectious variants).

          Everybody wearing masks and staying away from other people is harmful to people’s natural immunity. The current system is designed by people who are in the business of making money from selling vaccines. It is just plain crazy.

      • VFatalis says:

        Either on his twitter account @GVDBossche or on his linkedin account https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6774267129186271232/

  13. Minority Of One says:

    Our university dropped a bombshell / eye opener regarding pensions on Friday. The same pension fund covers all but the most senior academic staff and more senior non-academic staff for most academic institutions in the UK.

    When I joined the uni a few years ago (IT), I was automatically enrolled in the pension, and was soon informed via the regular newsletter that the fund was about 15% underfunded. Odd that no-one seemed too bothered about this. Then a year ago for most of February, the main union for academic staff covering the whole of the UK went on strike. One of the reasons, and possible the main one, was that the universities were not paying enough into the pension fund. The uni pays about 20%, which I thought and still think generous because in my previous job, the well-to-do private company contributed less than 10%. Then sars-cov-2 came along and all strikes were put on hold, I don’t know what became of the discussions.

    Here is the email we got on Friday:

    “Dear colleagues,

    Many of our staff who are Grade 5 and above are members of the Universities Superannuation Scheme (USS) – the pension scheme provided to more than 390 UK universities and higher education research institutions.

    Trustees of the USS scheme on Wednesday announced their latest valuation of the scheme which shows the existing pension deficit has risen, and the shortfall now ranges between £14.9bn and £17.9bn.

    The Trustee update, shared with the Joint Negotiating Committee (JNC) – a national committee comprising Universities UK (UUK) which represents UK universities, and the University and College Union (UCU), says contributions would need to rise significantly to maintain the scheme’s existing benefits.

    Currently employers pay 21.1% of salary and members pay 9.6% of salary giving a combined total of 30.7%.

    The Trustee report suggests that total contributions will need to rise sharply from 30.7% (21.1% employer contribution and 9.6% employee contribution) to between 42.1% and 56.2% of salaries to address the deficit…”

    This fund has been mismanaged (underfunded) for years, are the trustees really getting their act together now, or is 56.2% still too low?

    The universities cannot afford to pay any more and therefore won’t. That was the cause of the strikes a year ago (that brought many UK universities to a standstill). I cannot see academics willing to pay more, that would be equivalent to a pay cut. My guess is that for the first time, the fund members are going to have to face the fact that their pensions are going to be severely cut. I personally don’t expect to get anything, so I am not bothered, but for those living in Delusistani, almost everyone, this will come as a wake up call.

    Unless, a way could be found that would cause most of the already-retired, and maybe even some of the members yet to retire, to no longer require their pension…

    • Bei Dawei says:

      There is hope! If inflation rises high enough, then everybody can get their full pensions.

      • godozo says:

        Assuming that wages increase along with prices. If wages stay still, people’s earnings go to nothing MUCH quicker than if the employers try to keep up with price increases.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Pension? Hahahahahahahaha…. if you ain’t collecting now … you ain’t collecting.

      Better idea – liquidate all holdings — work out a formula for dispersal of all funds and just do it.

      Take your cut and head down to the local strip bar (if it’s open?) and go wild!

    • I am not optimistic that you can count on getting anything from the pension fund, regardless of how much funding is down. We don’t know whether any top the securities the pension fund is buying will really be worth anything. Pre-funding a pension fund in a collapsing economy doesn’t really fix the underlying problem.

      I don’t think any of us can really count on pensions or bank accounts or any kind of paper securities for very long. The big questions are, “How long does the financial system hang together?” “Will any type of Plan B be feasible for any length of time after the current system fails?”

      If governments can hold to together, and more and more debt can be issued, perhaps governments can “save” pension funds besides saving all of the other things that need saving, for a while. The big problem will be high inflation, if such a system can hang together. I am concerned that countries will stop trusting each other, in which case things could fall apart quickly. In such a case, we will have to go back to producing only goods and services that can be made with local inputs.

      • MM says:

        I have been pondering about money with no value for a while. Nothing really convinces me of inflation and deflation. Fictious values can simply implode without notice and nothing happens.

        As an Accountant, what would you say: A stock is a share in tangible assets. A share must have “a value”. I do not say US$. I mean any accounting unit.
        Even TPTB have their power because they have a lot of “accounting units”.
        The question for me is, why should someone drop a commpon accounting unit (Elder) if for the “new one” he could not order a home pizza?..

    • Minority Of One says:

      Fast and Gail, agree with you both. Pretty much all the people who are members of this pension fund are living in cloud cuckoo land. Many of them might have PhDs, but there is no end to their ability to avoid the reality that comes from the limits to growth and a collapsing economy and financial system. For the vast majority of them this will be the first in-your-face sign that all is not well and there is no hiding from it. I am guessing that the first reaction will be there must be some kind of mistake, then the union will probably call a strike again. Like that will solve the fundamental issues we are facing.

  14. Bei Dawei says:

    It seems that the Russians do not want Americans to take the vaccine:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-disinformation-campaign-aims-to-undermine-confidence-in-pfizer-other-covid-19-vaccines-u-s-officials-say-11615129200

    Now why do you suppose that is? Maybe they know that the vaccine is dangerous, and out of the goodness of their hearts, are trying to save their rivals from making a terrible mistake?

    • racoon#9.5meg says:

      Hunters laptop.
      The russians
      Solarwinds hack
      the russians
      VAX discussions
      the russians
      Trump not starting a war
      the russians

      Not to forget the original hillary prototype- russian bots.
      Or four years of hearing the word collusion every ten seconds or so on the MSM

      THe russians is their old reliable. Q is up and coming.

      Your not repeating russian disinformation are you?
      Your not a Q follower are you?

      And who is the conspiracy Theorists?

      What does this do? First of all its a implicit threat telling you to not exercise your first amendment right. More importantly the issues are no longer discussed. Now your shouting I think Q is a nutcase instead of discussing flu cases going to zero. Now your shouting I dont even like vodka in martinis instead of genetic modification.

      Goal achieved.

      Whats that grave over there. Just the first amendment. No big deal. You know just the silly one those racist forfathers put first. Silly cornerstone of a free society.

      Every russian is in fact a cold psychopathic killer just waiting for their chance to rule the world!

      True stereotypical racist BS as apposed to using that word as name calling to stop free speech. You know what allows racism. Condoning it. You know what allows racism? Ignoring it when it serves your purpose. You know what allows racism? Only saying it applies to one race.

      The irony is nauseating.

      Any viewpoint other than what we tell you. Evil disinformation from Q/Putin. Oh no we dont need proof. Yes valid sources in the intelligence community. Top secret.

      And who is the conspiracy theorists?

      • Kowalainen says:

        Every time I read about these so called ‘state sponsored’ hacks, I roll my eyes.

        Even the so called “hackers” themselves have been hacked with emails and hashes out on the dark web.

        I find it rather pathetic to point the finger of blame since they have zero control over the situation. Gotta find a convenient scapegoat plus war/fearmongering.

        What a bunch of clueless muppets.

        🥱

    • VFatalis says:

      Pfizer vaccines make some background noise.
      Write a fairy tale in the WSJ.
      Blame the old rival for disinformation.
      Put a Sputnik V logo in the thumbnail of video linked to the article.
      Sheople think russian government is undermining Pfizer vaccine to promote Sputnik.
      Sheople think they are smart for understanding this.
      Sheople then deducts Pfizer vaccine is good.
      Sheople craving for the jab.
      Pfizer happy. Background noise removed.

      • Bei Dawei says:

        So you don’t believe the claim that Russian troll farms have been promoting anti-vax messages to US audiences?

        • racoon#9.5meg says:

          There is a huge amount of evidence that the VAX is a calamitous health choice, is created by those behind gain of funtion research, covid treated less dangeous means, represents a new level of authoritarianism and is by definition experimentation n mankind on a uprecedented level.

          Are you suggesting that all those issues disappear because some hack at the wall street journal says russia has a troll farm?

          Do I know that russia has or does not have a troll farm? No. What i find concerning is that all these very relevant and concerning questions are disapeared by merely making such a assertion.

          Because of that I find the possibility of the assertion probably false because of the purpose its being used for.

          The censorship that has occurred that is clearly in violation of the first amendment might give a clue of what is going on.

          If I had to guess it would be that russia doesnt care about the USA. That they simply dont consider us relevant. We are doing a far better job of causing damage to our country than russia ever could. We have nothing they need or want.

          What is apparent to me is that imaginary external threats have been created for a long long time to take attention away from what is happening domestically. Its so documented and obvious that its not debatable.

          I find it despicable that certain racisms are openly advocated and propagated while others are condemned.

          Every human on the planet wants to live in peace. Hate does not work toward that. The crux of war is to characterize a enemy in order to allow hate.

          • Ed says:

            Did Cuomo kill 15,000 or did Cuomo say something rude to five women? We the news media will make sure you keep looking at the five rude remarks. And do not forget about the Russian troll farms.

  15. Venezuela rations diesel supply to truckers as fuel shortages worsen

    VALENCIA — Venezuelan state oil company Petroleos de Venezuela has begun rationing diesel to truckers, four transport sector sources told Reuters, as low domestic refining output and scarce imports amid U.S. sanctions squeeze fuel supplies.

    Frustrated truckers blocked a highway in the central state of Maracay in protest over the shortages on Friday, social media images showed. Industry groups said the unprecedented rationing would create delays delivering goods to markets in the OPEC nation, reeling from a prolonged economic crisis.
    https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/venezuela-rations-diesel-supply-to-truckers-as-fuel-shortages-worsen

    • It is hard to figure out how to fix this problem. Is there a good way to ration inadequate affordable diesel?

      • Nehemiah says:

        What’s the problem? Just print more money and hand it out. Then the diesel is no longer unaffordable! Of course, the real problem is that it is easier to manufacture paper and ink than to manufacture diesel.

        I just hope and pray that our politicians never listen to the Magical Monetary Theorists like the delusional Stephanie Kelton who tell them that Venezuela is one the numerous “special cases” that don’t apply to us. (I mention Miss/Mrs. Kelton because I have listened to her give a couple of interviews, but you can fill in the blank with whomever you think is the most entertaining Monetary Magician, since they all put on basically the same show.)

  16. Shipping containers stuck in sea gridlock, slay stranded ashore as Covid-19 pandemic snarls trade networks

    Rice exporters in Thailand, Vietnam and Cambodia are forgoing some shipments to North America because of the impossibility of securing containers.
    https://www.deccanherald.com/business/business-news/shipping-containers-stuck-in-sea-gridlock-slay-stranded-ashore-as-covid-19-pandemic-snarls-trade-networks-959098.html

    • A couple of parts of the problem:

      Viewed broadly, the volume of global trade dipped by only 1 per cent in 2020 compared with the previous year. But that doesn’t reflect how the year unfolded — with a plunge of more than 12 per cent in April and May, followed by an equally dramatic reversal. They system could not adjust, leaving containers in the wrong places, and push shipping prices to extraordinary heights.

      and

      Given the prices fetched by containers in Asia, shipping carriers are increasingly unloading in California and then immediately putting empty boxes back on ships for the return leg to Asia, without waiting to load grain or other exports.

      Also, (not in this article) in some places, COVID and COVID restrictions have messed up the loading and unloading process. Loading and unloading can’t take place if too many are out sick, or if governments are too demanding regarding what the sailors on incoming vessels can/cannot do with respect to spread of COVID.

  17. Gerard d'Olivat says:

    Spain has experienced a similar problem to Texas this winter in lesser measure. The main cause is the deregulation of the market by low-cost providers of “wind and solar. This deregulation is enforced by the EU because they want the ‘competition clause’ to work.

    They want to do the same in France where the ‘green energy’ will be brought to the market. There is much protest against this from the state-owned company EDF.

    The problem is that on the other hand EDF has accumulated a huge debt of 54 billion. These debts have several complex causes, but they cause that in fact no real electricity price is calculated for the producer. The introduction of seemingly “cheap” renewables only exacerbates this problem.

    It leads, as I understand about Texas, to disinvestment and overdue maintenance in ‘ballast’ plants.
    It is a politically complex problem where the true cost of ‘energy’ on various ‘opaque’ interests of all kinds of pressure groups and lobby groups whether it is the nuclear or renewable sector are in all cases presented ‘too favorably’ to the consumer. Then all kinds of vague ‘repair’ and ‘subsidy’ emergency measures have to be applied. There is no doubt that the regular energy companies in Spain are struggling with operating shortages in a similar way.

    Why did electricity prices suddenly rise in Spain?

    The second week of January 2021 was marked by a significant wave of cold weather and a historic record for energy prices in Spain. Predictably, many consumers were outraged by the sudden 27% price increase, especially when countless people were out of work or on lower incomes due to the global pandemic. Consumer protection agencies were inundated with complaints.

    How big was the jump in energy prices? On the night of January 2, the price rose to 114.02 euros per megawatt hour (MWh). On Christmas Day last year, the price was only 16.04 euros per MWh.
    How are energy prices determined?

    Electricity prices are broken down into fixed and variable costs: fixed costs include meter rental, power capacity (your contracted rate) and optional maintenance costs. Variable costs are determined by consumption and by the tax rate, which is applied to both your variable electricity consumption and your fixed contracted rate.

    About half of the Spanish energy market is controlled by three companies: Endesa, Iberdrola and Natural Gas Fenosa. The market was deregulated in 1998, allowing for more competition, but several of the larger companies – including the aforementioned “big three” – remain regulated. The hourly price of electricity for their customers is set on the basis of an agreed wholesale tariff.

    In addition to this group of regulated companies, there are a number of open market suppliers, such as Lucera, Holaluz, Mariposa Energía, Evergreen Eléctrica and EnergyNordic. Their prices are not regulated by the wholesale tariff, which means they can charge whatever they want. Although by law they cannot offer the same discounts as the big companies, these unregulated companies can sometimes offer better prices than their regulated competitors. On all their websites, they are portrayed as more consumer-friendly, environmentally friendly and cheaper than the giants in the regulated market. They also often do not require a fixed term for consumer contracts.
    Why have prices gone up?

    A Lucera customer service representative stated, “Energy prices have increased for all companies this month due to several factors. Due to the recent severe storms and snowfall, there is less energy production from cheaper and renewable sources such as wind and solar power. There is less supply. When you add that to the increased demand due to colder temperatures, it causes prices to rise.”

    So, no, energy companies didn’t simply decide to charge customers more because it was getting colder. It came down to a basic principle of economics: supply versus demand. Not only did the storm bring unusually cold weather that increased demand, it also reduced supply. Renewable energy sources are cheaper than burning fossil fuels, but they depend on nice weather. Storm fronts bring cloudy skies that render solar panels temporarily unusable and high winds that require wind turbines to shut down, cutting off the supply of renewable energy. This is important because Spain currently relies on renewables for almost 50% of its energy supply.

    • Thanks for your very helpful post.

      I understand that the majority of electricity costs are fixed costs. Certainly for wind and solar they are. They certainly are for nuclear and hydroelectric. Natural gas and coal have a mixture of fixed and variable costs. If you want electricity from natural gas and coal to be around 24/7/365, they have more fixed costs than if you somehow think that you can operate coal generation only at peak seasons.

      Electricity transmission costs become much greater if you add wind, solar, or hydroelectric, because they rarely are located near population centers. Also, transmission lines need to be built for maximum use, not average use. And there is a whole lot of maintenance required, or there will be frequent fires from transmission line problems, especially in parts of the world where it is dry.

      Clearly, citizens will be very unhappy about paying high costs for electric power at unplanned times. This is one of the reasons that the “utility” form of operation was set up. Someone needs to be figuring out in advance what the total cost will be, including all of the maintenance, and allocate it out.

      Perhaps there needs to be some difference in rates for residential versus commercial versus industrial, but it is hard to see how there can be much difference in rates otherwise. Raising rates to cut off demand when there is inadequate supply becomes hugely problematic. Who do you cut off, those with the lowest income? In practice, sometimes industrial users are charged lower rates, partly because they are willing to interrupt their operations when supply is inadequate to meet demand. But if you need much more reductions than this, it almost becomes necessary to do rolling black outs. If people expect electricity 24/7/ 365, they need their own backup generating source. Expecting electric automobiles to share this inadequate electricity supply is just craziness.

  18. Prepping for a cyber pandemic: Cyber Polygon 2021 to stage supply chain attack simulation

    Will Cyber Polygon 2021 be as prophetic as Event 201 in simulating a pandemic response? perspective

    The World Economic Forum (WEF) will stage another cyber attack exercise as it continues to prep for a potential cyber pandemic that founder Klaus Schwab says will be worse than the current global crisis.

    The SolarWinds hack served as a wake-up call to the supply chain attack vulnerabilities still present in public and private organizations, and it served as a warning that the next breach could be exponentially worse in spreading through any device connected to the internet.

    Following up on last year’s Cyber Polygon cyber attack exercise and event aimed at preventing a digital pandemic, the WEF has announced that the 2021 edition will be taking place on July 9.

    “A cyber attack with COVID-like characteristics would spread faster and farther than any biological virus” — World Economic Forum

    This year, Cyber Polygon 2021 will simulate a fictional cyber attack with participants from dozens of countries responding to “a targeted supply chain attack on a corporate ecosystem in real time.”
    https://sociable.co/technology/prepping-cyber-pandemic-cyber-polygon-stage-supply-chain-attack-simulation/

    • Xabier says:

      Hmm, aren’t the lock-downs an attack on the supply chain? Going on for a year now.

      One shudders when hearing of the WEF ‘preparing to fight’ something; it seems to work like reverse magic, a form of Black Mass summoning demonic powers……

    • I looked at a map shown in this video. The main place where bitcoins are mined in China is the Xinjiang Region. This is the region, in the far Northwest. This is an area where I expect that there is a lot of “stranded electricity,” that is, electricity that can easily be generated, but cannot easily be sent to where it might be used. Often, there are not enough transmission lines available. In Iceland, the problem is that the area is an island, so electricity beyond what the island can use is stranded.

      Crypto mining actually serves a useful service, if it helps pay for this stranded electricity. But if the situation changes, such as it might be changing in Inner Mongolia, with more transmission lines becoming available (and being closer to industrial users), then crypto mining is counter productive.

  19. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    Texas Won’t Reduce $16 Billion In Electricity Charges From Winter Storm
    March 6, 20215:10 PM ET NPR News
    MATTHEW S. SCHWARTZ
    It might seem like retroactively reducing the charges would be good for consumers, said Texas PUC Chairman Arthur D’Andrea during Friday’s public meeting. But, he argued, that reflects a “simplistic” view of how Texas power markets work.
    “We just see the tip of the iceberg,” D’Andrea said. “You don’t know who you’re hurting. You think you’re protecting the consumer and turns out you’re bankrupting a co-op or a city. And so it’s dangerous, after something is run, to go around and redo it.”
    …..” D’Andrea said. “And they did all sorts of things that they wouldn’t have done if the prices were different. And it’s just nearly impossible to unscramble this sort of egg.

    “And the results of going down this path are unknowable,” he added. “I know, on the surface, it looks like — oh no, it’s just money that generators got, and if you reverse it, it will go to the consumers. But that is very simplistic, and it’s not how it works.”

    Potomac Economics Vice President Carrie Bivens told NPR she continues to be concerned about certain market outcomes that came out of February’s storm. “The commission faced a difficult decision with the potential for unintended consequences in either direction,” she said.
    …The state’s electric companies have said they would work with consumers to set up payment plans. But so far, customers have had little luck getting the charges dropped
    ….Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is suing the company for deceptive practices — specifically, for promising Texans cheap “wholesale” prices when it knew that energy costs could increase during high demand.
    ….On its web site, the company said it didn’t make the choice to raise prices. The Texas PUC “mandated the maximum price for days — a decision they made to take the price out of the hands of the market,” Griddy wrote.
    https://www.npr.org/2021/03/06/974417969/texas-wont-reduce-16-billion-in-electricity-charges-from-winter-storm

    Uncle Joe President Santa Claus Biden will include payment in Stimulus Chapter 4 coming at the end of the Year…The cheque is being tallied up, now that we have time to move on…. sarcasm

    • Electricity providers (other than wind and solar) have been providing electricity at unreasonably low rates, with the promise that when a shortage finally comes, they can make up for the long history of inadequate rates. When, their time comes to recoup at least some of the inadequate funding caused by competing with subsidized wind and solar, we find out what really happens. Noone’s budget stretches to pay the high variable prices.

  20. MG says:

    According to the survey, the leading vaccines that the people in Slovakia want are Pfizer/BioNTech and Sputnik V.

    https://domov.sme.sk/c/22611587/najviac-ludi-chce-vakcinu-comirnaty-od-pfizeru-ukazuje-prieskum.html

    • The chart seems to show this order of preference:
      Pfizer
      Sputnik V
      Moderna
      Astra Zeneca
      J&J
      VonVAX
      Sinopharm

      • racoon#9.5meg says:

        Looks like there is some room for some bigpharm advertising complete with user brand self identification and unique memes! You know to inform the consumers about their choice of products.

        Choosing a genetic modification is no simple matter. BATVIRUS INC is here to help. We know more about bat viruses and genetic modification than any other VAX provider. No other genetic modification provider has our history of collaboration in gain of function research. This unparalleled collaboration is why you should trust BATVIRUS INC for your genetic modification needs.

  21. Vaccine passport for international travel ‘very live’ discussion among G7 countries: Hajdu

    OTTAWA — As countries continue to vaccinate larger segments of their populations, federal Health Minister Patty Hajdu says that discussions about introducing some form of vaccine passport are “very live” among the G7 countries.

    “We’re certainly working on the idea of vaccine passports with our G7 partners. I was on a call with my G7 health minister counterparts just a couple of weeks ago, and that is a very live issue,” Hajdu said in an interview on CTV’s Question Period.

    While Hajdu wouldn’t say if it’s an idea Canada is pushing for—requiring some form of proof of vaccination to travel to Canada—she said other nations and industry groups are looking into the kind of evidence or documentation that could be requested in order to travel internationally.
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/vaccine-passport-for-international-travel-very-live-discussion-among-g7-countries-hajdu-1.5335995

  22. U.S. coffee roasters weigh price increases, cite shipping inflation

    (Reuters) – Coffee processors in the United States, the world’s largest consumer of the beverage, are reporting significant cost increases in their operations, mostly related to transportation, and expect to raise retail prices soon.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/transportation-coffee-costs/us-coffee-roasters-weigh-price-increases-cite-shipping-inflation-idUSL8N2KU1AT

  23. Fast Eddy says:

    Update Queenstown – M Fast and I did a walk-around the town today at 630pm. Most of the restaurants were completely empty … the waterfront which would normally be busy… we counted maybe 5 people… a handful of people in the bars… most zero…

    This will be playing out in tourist towns the world over… tick tock

    • Xabier says:

      They can go and work in Amazon warehouses – if they are very good, and very, very lucky!

      Und zay vill be Happy!

      One wonders how much tourism will be allowed to come back? Only the more exclusive kind I should have thought.

      It’s been rather nice here without the hordes of Chinese tourists, jamming the streets like an intestinal blockage. Very low-value, mostly just day-trippers.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        As mentioned the NZ Ministry of Health states the vaccines are not really vaccines at all … they are treatments that reduce the worst symptoms of Covid — they specifically state they do not stop the spread of the virus.

        I will go out on a very thick limb and predict tourists will never be allowed back into NZ…

        If they intended to allow people in they would already be rolling out the welcome mat for Vaxxed Aussies… or at least suggesting that was imminent.

        Not a peep on that.

        Of course not — allowing ‘vaxxed’ Aussies in would 100% guarantee inviting Covid into the country…. and Jacinda would get lambasted…

        It would also expose the reality that there is NO vaccine for Covid.

        • Kowalainen says:

          Not only will there not be a vax for covid and the pointlessness of that vaxx as demonstrated by Taiwan and Iceland.

          Just hike the prices of cheap and nasty frivolous jank, and slay the obnoxious tourism industry. That’s a good start. Then follow it up by hiking the prices of petroleum products making the producers profitable while reducing demand. Lesser amounts produced with higher margins.

          After that; crack down on the epitome of folly. Yes indeed, the automobile and commercial road bound transport. Make it brutal. $100 USD/gallon for diesel and gasoline. Then slap a humongous tax calculated per kilo of weight for the vehicle, that should hurt the EV’s badly. Let’s say a ~2-ton Tesla $5k USD/year. Fuse the houses with max 20A/230V.

          When that is done, the semiconductor manufacturers cracks down on the el cheapo jank microcontrollers. Let’s say a reasonable 10x on the price of those technological marvels.

          To get it rolling properly, start a “open sourced blueprints” initiative to enable people making shit they need manufactured by themselves, with money they have, to impress no one.

          How I can imagine the bulk/raw materials and petroleum industry raking in the profits while the banker boys continue their shenanigans with lend/lease/borrow for advanced manufacturing equipment financing. I’ll bet Okuma, Mazak and the rest of the CNC machinery club would be smiling all the way to the bank.

          And at the middle of the new crazy, the Internet.

          I can imagine the whining and crocodile tears pouring from the pretentious faces of sanctimonious hypocrisy.

          Oh how hated I would be as the benevolent dictator. What better encouragement could there be for an obnoxious Laplander, than being hated and despised by useless eaters. You tell me.

          🤣👍

        • Xabier says:

          I’m deeply impressed by the whole fraud, it has been a master-stroke of deception and brainwashing.

          ‘Vaccines’ that aren’t, and persuading people to accept them with only very vague indications that they will be able to get back to normal – but never a from promise or date.

          Mask wearers on the street were in a very tiny minority today: if we just turned on them with ridicule the whole thing would just shrivel and die.

          We haven’t made things very hard for Klaus Barbie.

  24. Mirror on the wall says:

    The collapse of IC does not stress me at all.

    All technological civilisations come to an end. Palaeolithic hunter-gathering – over. The Neolithic agricultural lifestyle – over. The metal age lifestyle – over. Classical civilisation – over. Feudalism – over. IC – over.

    That is how it goes. It is what always happens to technological civilisations.

    It seems difficult to see why one would stress about what is usual and inevitable. One might as well stress about the sun coming up and going down.

    Neither does it imply that IC has ‘failed’, civilisations are ‘supposed’ to come to an end at some point. That is how history works. Its end is its ‘completion’.

    Nor have humans done anything ‘wrong’, they have done what they are ‘supposed’ to do, to build civilisations that inevitably do not last forever. Rather humans have done what is ‘right’. They are to be congratulated and praised.

    • Kowalainen says:

      There is neither right, nor wrong.

      There is simply the process that can be configured for multiple outcomes, the passing of another epoch into the next, whatever that might be is in the hands of thinkers and doers.

      One thing is for sure; hurt will be inevitable for the self entitled rapacious primate princesses of IC.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        K, it seems likely that the slight difference in our statements in ‘pathos’ (feeling) and ‘ethos’ (morals, credibility – here of humans qua humans) is rooted in a difference in ‘logos’ (the rational side of analysis) so I will start and give the emphasis to ‘logos’ – yep, someone was looking at Aristotle’s Rhetoric last night and not just name dropping.

        “There is simply the process that can be configured for multiple outcomes, the passing of another epoch into the next, whatever that might be is in the hands of thinkers and doers.”

        I would agree with that statement yet I would attach the important qualification that human decisions are yet ‘determined’ in important senses.

        Outright and no nonsense frank determinism – humans are objects in the cosmos and as such they are entirely subject to the categories of cause and effect just like all other objects without exception. The universality of causality is the only reason why we are able to interpret the world at all. Otherwise it would be entirely unintelligible and unpredictable. Humans are not some exception to the applicability of the universal objective categories, which would subvert the entire rational schema.

        Yes, humans do exist also on a quantum level, at which causality does not apply, as do all other objects, and yet objects qua objects remain entirely subject to the objective categories inc. causality. And so it is with humans, humans qua humans – qua objects – are entirely causative and determined. Thus the quantum level makes no difference to the determination of human objects any more than it does to the determination of other objects, all of which also exist on the quantum level and yet qua objects remain determined.

        One might also speak of the human determination by motives, ie. the determinative force of ‘final’, attractive, motive ’causes’ in addition to that of the ‘first’ causes (causality as usually spoken of); and of the human location within dissipative structures that operate entirely according to the laws of physics – but no real need, given what has already been said about universal objective determination. Suffice to say that humans, with their motivations, are driven by organic, biological drives and they are nestled within physically determined, dissipative structures that contextually determine the expression of the drives. Humans are chemistry and physics, even matter in motion and energetics in action, nothing more.

        That seems to be the ‘logical’ basis of our slight difference in pathos and ethos.

        “One thing is for sure; hurt will be inevitable for the self entitled rapacious primate princesses of IC.”

        I would agree that hurt is inevitable. Humans are ‘supposed’ to hurt. That is why they have nervous systems that are ordered to the experience of both pleasure and pain. Hurting is what humans do, along with enjoying. Which is appropriate, and the degree thereof, is determined by the situation and by the condition of the human. Clearly they are liable to hurt as IC collapses – IC is ‘supposed’ to inevitably and unavoidably collapse and humans are ‘supposed’ to inevitably and unavoidably respond in that way in so far as they do.

        I would dissent from the characterisation of humans as ‘self entitled rapacious primate princesses’ not in so far as it is objectively true but in so far as it casts judgement on humans. Humans are being what they are determined to be by their situation and their condition and that is what they are ‘supposed’ to do. (‘Supposed’ there really means no more than what is and what is expected.)

        So, I generally avoid pathos and ethos. I have no feelings, negative or otherwise, toward humans – at least not in terms of objective analysis. Neither do I morally accuse them. Humans are what they are, the same as everything else in the cosmos is what it is. There is no feeling or ‘judgement’ in the great ‘just is’ that is reality. Of course I allow for the subjective response, it is what humans generally do, they feel and they judge – as do I at times – but I do not confound pathos and ethos with logos, which is the reality of the world.

        And besides, the exhibition of pathos and ethos is just ‘so common’ and ‘whiney’ and I do not find it my character to exhibit subjectivity in such an overt manner of self-display. I would recommend the ‘philosophical’ and ‘dignified’ posture of the Stoic school, which is eased by the Stoic cosmology that is necessitarian in the way that I have indicated – all is determined and inevitable and therefore perturbation and exhibition are unwarranted, unsightly and unbecoming.

        My own Pyrrhonic school goes a step further and disdains ethos as well as pathos and thus I would agree with your initial statement that ‘there is neither right, nor wrong’ which I fancy in any case ought to go some way to dissuade one from pathos and ethos – although they remain ‘valid’ (or at least ‘not invalid’ – there is no validity or invalidity in the great ‘just is’) and understandable postures. ‘Supposed’ and ‘right’ in my opening statement were used as synonyms for ‘what is’ and ‘what will be’ naturally for humans. No judgement was implied, positive or otherwise, rather the absence of any judgement, and the use of judgemental terms was rhetorical and ironic.

        • Kowalainen says:

          I must place one objection to your argument, however weak it might be. The knowledge of existing within a planetary ecosystem and its limitations. We all share the knowledge of fossil fuels being an important finite resource. Despite that, yes indeed, despite that…

          I do not view myself as an entity different from the planet and the universe, hence I must act in a way of self-preservation. Thus my choices, albeit hypocritical to some extent, is based on the realization that as an actor in the biosphere I am responsible for my own survival, thus I must base them on an evolutionary principle. If I saw off the branch that I sit upon, I will get hurt and perhaps win the coveted Darwin Award.

          However, I am not the only primate rummaging the earth for cheap resources, however, that is none of my concern. I rather take great schadenfreude in pointing out the various excuses and hypocrisies of others since my basis of argument is stronger than of most others in IC. As for third world dwellers, I do not know. But they are humans as well, so I simply assume that they would behave exactly as the joneses in IC given the same opportunity. As I have witnessed with the rather large immigration to Sweden.

          Now does that make me “morally” superior? Quite frankly, I don’t know the ultimate consequences of my actions. I am quite certain they are in vain. However, the only battle that matters is against myself. It is won and lost by default.

          I suppose my flaw is that of placing an importance on the information and internalizing it into a lifestyle that makes sense to me. Perhaps most people wear the knowledge as a thin veneer on top of the ugly truth of rapacious primate shenanigans. Nietzsches “intellectuals” with one big ear, all sound and fury signifying nothing.

          Certainly I am not much in the grand scheme of things, but at least something. A puny ant scurrying about in the cosmic ecosystem of sentient beings.

          Cogito, ergo sum. (The hallucination of objective reality inside the primate brain is mighty convincing.)

          It comes with pain. Suffering is (mostly) optional. I guess that is the price to pay for being barely sentient and mortal. However, I cannot complain. From the innocence, folly and depression of youth into acceptance of what I think I am.

    • Very Far Frank says:

      That’s all well and good, but civilisational collapse can’t be looked at in abstract once it actually happens, and the hunger starts to creep into bellies…

      • rufustiresias999 says:

        I agree with both of you, Frank and Mirror. But I’m scared. When the masses will realize they’re f*d they’ll get so angry. Look how angry got Donald’s most radical fans when they realized their leader was thrown out of the office before he could achieve his promise to restore their dream of a possibility of a better life. Angry chimps.

    • racoon#9.5meg says:

      IC is racoons eating hotdogs on the porch. Long live hotdogs! Long live BAU!

  25. hillcountry says:

    I was going back through some of Jay Hanson’s archives and found these thoughts of his from the 2012 period.

    “In order to avoid anarchy, rebellion, civil war and global nuclear conflict, Americans must force a fundamental change in our political environment. We can keep the same social structures and people, but we must totally eliminate corporate-special interests from our political environment.”

    “The modification that I am proposing would fundamentally alter the nature of politics in America. To achieve America 2.0, we must first separate and isolate our political system from our economic system so that government can begin to address and solve societal problems directly rather than indirectly by throwing money at corporate special interests.”

    “The second step is to retire most working American citizens with an annuity sufficient for health and happiness, as government begins to eliminate the current enormous waste of vital resources by delivering goods, and services directly, like police and fire services are delivered today. This would allow the vast majority of adults to stay at home with their families but still receive the what they need to enjoy life—while greatly reducing natural resource consumption.”

    “We could use the same energy efficient method of distribution for everything that Americans biologically “need.” Shoppers would order provisions online, in the same way that Amazon or Netflix works now, and then their orders would be delivered the next day. And a medical care caravan could regularly drive through neighborhoods, filling teeth, giving checkups, and so on.”

    • Fast Eddy says:

      It amazes me that people who expound such ridiculous ideas…. are seen as credible.

      We grow — or we collapse. It’s as simple as that.

    • Xabier says:

      Thanks for the quote.

      Hanson was an imbecile if he thought that corporations and the MIC would ever allow that.

      But, clearly, they liked part of his plan!

      He also failed to understand human nature: his UBI-supported, lock-down families would go mad and sick very quickly – just as we see today.

      And that’s just what Gates & Co. like about the plan,too.

    • Probably the same people who thought those things were possible thought that wind turbines and solar panels would create the needed goods and services.

  26. Fast Eddy says:

    Welcome to Lockdown Island

    On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair
    Warm smell of colitas, rising up through the air
    Up ahead in the distance, I saw a shimmering light
    My head grew heavy and my sight grew dim
    I had to stop for the night
    There she stood in the doorway;
    I heard the mission bell
    And I was thinking to myself,
    “This could be Heaven or this could be Hell”
    Then she lit up a candle and she showed me the way
    There were voices down the corridor,
    I thought I heard them say…
    Welcome to the Hotel California
    Such a lovely place (Such a lovely place)
    Such a lovely face
    Plenty of room at the Lockdown Island
    Any time of year (Any time of year)
    You can find it here
    Her mind is Tiffany-twisted, she got the Mercedes bends
    She got a lot of pretty, pretty boys she calls friends
    How they dance in the courtyard, sweet summer sweat.
    Some dance to remember, some dance to forget
    So I called up the Captain,
    “Please bring me my wine”
    He said, “We haven’t had that spirit here since nineteen sixty nine”
    And still those voices are calling from far away,
    Wake you up in the middle of the night
    Just to hear them say…
    Welcome to the Lockdown Island
    Such a lovely place (Such a lovely place)
    Such a lovely face
    They livin’ it up at the Lockdown Island
    What a nice surprise (what a nice surprise)
    Bring your alibis
    Mirrors on the ceiling,
    The pink champagne on ice
    And she said “We are all just prisoners here, of our own device”
    And in the master’s chambers,
    They gathered for the feast
    They stab it with their steely knives,
    But they just can’t kill the beast
    Last thing I remember, I was
    Running for the door
    I had to find the passage back
    To the place I was before
    “Relax, ” said the night man,
    “We are programmed to receive.
    You can check-out any time you like,
    But you can never leave! ”

    Unfortunately Lockdown Island is going bankrupt because we are accepting no new guests… and the guests we have are no longer spending cuz they are running out of cash

    I suppose if one has to be in prison … waiting for the Lethal Injection … it’s not such a bad option

    https://blog.villagetaways.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/AdobeStock_137715086-1-scaled.jpeg

    • A new version of Hotel California. You can check out, but you can’t leave. It is certainly getting to be that way.

    • Tim Groves says:

      We’re giving it up at the Lockdown Island, would be more like it.

      New Zealand: 5 million people in 268 square kilometers: sounds like the entire place is more than socially distanced enough already: sounds like in the absence of telephones you’d have to yodel or use semaphore to communicate with your neighbors.

      • Yorchichan says:

        268,000 sq km

        • Tim Groves says:

          Quite right. Thanks for the correction!

          Meanwhile, in Singapore, with 5.7 million people crowded into 728 sq km, they’ve managed to keep COVID-19 deaths down to 29 against NZ’s 26, while keeping the shops open.

  27. racoon#9.5meg says:

    What is a medical animator?
    https://explorehealthcareers.org/career/arts-and-humanities-in-health/medical-illustrator-animator/

    Disney flicks not your scene? There is demand for those that jazz up those boring electron microscope images that just look like boring blobs. It can be as simple as selecting certain blobs and adding color to them to distinguish them or much more complex exercises in imagination in creating complete artist renditions of said objects. Do a simple search. “phage image” Abut 99% of what comes up is total artist rendition. See the really boring black and white electron microscope images that look like blobs? Those are real electron microscope images. Every thing else that looks like a disney flic is actually a disney flick.

    Want to know what is really effective? Take a electron microscope image of somthing readily identifiable like human scin and hair follicles. Add your artist rendition of “the somthing” floating about. Never mind that the actual electron microscope blob that is supposedly “the somthing” doesnt actually exist on human scin and the scales are diferent by 100k or so. None of that matters.

    This is just one way that this virology takes abstracts and defines them as absolutes. People who enter this field are well intentioned. It takes a very intelligent mind to grasp the abstracts presented in studying this discipline. The student gets used to the rigor of this sort of thinking then takes one abstract and creates even more. And so on. After a while thats how they think. Thats how they have trained their mind. Just like a shrink see you in a certain light and a lawyer sees you in another and a cop sees you in yet another. You cant understand where they are coming from because you havnt trained your mind the same way. And they seek out those that live in the same realm.

    So when a question gets asked like “how come influenza deaths went down to 10% when covid deaths went up by the same amount” that question is dismissed. Its dismissed because its not relevant in a world of abstracts. And no, no one that hasnt spent the same time and effort to train their mind in the way they have can understand their premises. When those common sense questions are asked its totally out of the framework of the discipline. The question is not in the terminology of the discipline nor does it reference the abstract verification of the discipline.

    So how does the viroligist answer? 1; You couldnt possibly understand. That is always the answer from 99%. It might take some degree of emotion or condemnation ie “conspiracy theorist” ( rymes with trrrist) but the answer is this is my game I understand it you dont.

    Of course their are a few virologists who draw on their original good willed intention upon entering the field who realize that it is wrong to demand others must believe as you do. I honor their strength courage and commitment to intellectual freedom which stands in contrast to intellectual fascism.

    Its different but it is why i also honor Gails stoic strength courage and commitment to intellectual freedom. Thank you Gail. Right or wrong you represent something that has value.

    • Ed says:

      “Gails stoic strength courage and commitment to intellectual freedom.” Yes, rare and valuable thank you Gail.

  28. Fast Eddy says:

    Dunce of the Day Award goes to …. the CovIDIOTS!

    I was finally able to break through the dog-like wall of MOronism with a CovIDIOT… the reason he is willing to ignore the lack of long term jab studies is because he ‘does not care about the risks because he wants to travel’…

    To which I responded…. given the continuous flip-flopping and outright lies (masks dont work – then they work – then you need 3 for them to really work!!! — and how many times have we been told this is the only lockdown … or the last one … or that all would be normal by ____)….

    So I will not be racing to be first in line for the jab…. I’ll wait to see if they actually do let us travel without quarantine first.

    Ardern says no travel until all 5M are jabbed…. odd – why not let vaxxed people in and out freely NOW? Why do we have to wait till everyone is jabbed? Which is not expected to happen until many months down the road…. Surely all these vaxxed people present no risk?????

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/new-zealand-borders-to-stay-closed-until-citizens-are-vaccinated-and-protected

    Oh but hang the f789 on…. this is from the Ministry of Health — with input from the Ministry of Truth (how often do you actually get truth from those guys!!!)…

    If a person is vaccinated against COVID-19, will they still be able to spread the virus to susceptible people?

    An ideal vaccine stops everyone from carrying and passing on the infection as well as protecting them from becoming seriously ill. It is currently unclear whether COVID vaccines only protect against symptomatic and severe disease, or if they can also stop all infection, including asymptomatic infection (i.e. showing no symptoms). If the vaccine is only able to stop the symptoms of the disease, but unable to stop the virus from infecting us and reproducing, then the virus may still be able to be spread. https://www.immune.org.nz/covid-19-general-information

    Travel will not be re-opening and we will not be returning to pre Covid life.

    8B people – most of whom would experience Covid a cold or mild flu – will however be vaccinated — many of them begging for it because they believe they will be able to travel and return to normal.

    How can one harness this epic stooopdity and make money from it… ah right….

    https://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/kim-kardashian-social-media-02-07-2020-2.jpg

    https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/VE9pBIRj5I58ZH3UwePnGzeu8a8/fit-in/1200×630/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-:fill-!white!-/upl0/0/88/03_2008/19431PCN_Hiltons04wtmk/i/Paris-Pout.jpg

    • Xabier says:

      When oh when will Kiwis smell the rot?

      My mother tells me that on BBC radio (I can’t bear to listen, but it’s her only company) the new line is:

      ‘We will all be safe only when everyone is vaccinated.’

      From ‘Protect the vulnerable!’ to total vaccination, including the young and healthy, in the blink of an eye and with no reasoning at all.

      I intend to remain a public danger for as long as possible. Maybe I’ll get a bell. Unclean, unclean!

      Actually, that could be a good resistance move: ring your bell and make the Covidiots jump away. Or would they invent a new crime of spreading public alarm?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        A mate says he will take the vaccine as soon as it is available but that he would not give this to his to young children….

        That may be where the battle lines form…

        • Lidia17 says:

          I see shades of Jonestown: the adults finally administering the kool-aid to the kids, because they are told they won’t be allowed to live otherwise, anyway.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            I am thinking it does not matter if the kids take the Lethal Injection … the parents will and they will pass Nightmare Covid to the kids and they all die.

            The sheer genius of this makes me wonder if Fast Eddy was involved in the creation of the CEP

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  30. Ed says:

    The US is dividing into two nations the slave/clean and the free/unclean. Which is fine. My wife and I are looking to move to one of the free states, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas. Not Florida which is over crowded and short on fresh water.

    • Georgia and Tennessee have better electricity than Texas, if you hadn’t noticed.

      • Ed says:

        Yes Gail I am impressed by Georgia good choice of nuclear. Tennessee still has the benefit of the TVA. It will be interesting to see if Texas as the resources and will to fortify its electric system.

        • Duncan Idaho says:

          Go with Georgia.
          I had a film gig out in Atlanta, and was pleasantly surprised.
          Plus, expenses were half of California.
          And, if you have noticed, it is turning away from the politics of the past.

        • racoon#9.5meg says:

          A little friendly advice Ed. Rent a a place for two weeks when you are consider a relocation. We often create ideas about communities. It takes a lot of effort to relocate. Keep your options open and value your intuition not your logic. For something completely different… How about Newfoundland? Culturally the inhabitants have formed a tribe that is autonomous of presented political culture. While i of course have a preference in our uniparty choice it is the underlying culture that is really the choice that defines where to live for me. Best wishes. You have been talking about jumping for years. Your time has come.

        • If true meritocracy takes over Texas they could buy quality (S Korean) NPPs any day.. French would take longer and Russian gear would be awkward politically. But it will take a decade to construct even with low admin barriers and qBAU supply chains humming good etc..

  31. Ed says:

    Sweden becoming a prepper nation. They are not cooperating with Bill and Klaus.

    • Christopher says:

      Prepping is still very rare in Sweden. My guess is it’s much more common in the USA. Swedes in general naively trust in the powers of the almighty state and the eternal progress of mankind.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        What’s the point of prepping when you are surrounded by hundreds of ponds of death?

        If you think that taking an experimental ‘vaccine’ when you have no certainty of being allowed to travel – is STewPID — then think of how epically StewPID you must be to waste your final months prepping if you are aware of this…

        https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Juraj-Kralik-2/publication/265969813/figure/fig1/AS:645371910950912@1530880062045/The-map-of-Nuclear-Power-Plants-in-Europe-In-these-and-related-tasks-the-NEA-works-in.png

        • Djerek says:

          You should engage your 1000 IQ in research on how much the effects of nuclear radiation were propaganda from the “Elders” as you so call them sometime.

          • JMS says:

            Hummm… that seems interesting. Do you mind to elaborate a little? Any research tips?

            • Djerek says:

              The most elucidating source that showed me about it was a YouTube video of old videos of a guy who was an engineer at nuclear plants in the 70s who went around giving lectures showing how it was exaggerated by eating a vial of uranium and similar demonstrations. I’m sorry but I don’t have a link or recall his name. I saw it several years ago.

              But ultimately you can really just look at the amount of wildlife flourishing in Chernobyl and on Bikini Atoll and see that the “doomsday” or “apocalyptic” discussions of nuclear radiation were largely propaganda to push globalization via seeding a meme that world war in a nuclear age would mean Armageddon.

              If you look back at older propaganda, after WWI and before WWII there was similar propaganda that war in an age of aerial bombardment would be the end of humanity.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              The spent fuel ponds at Chernobyl were never breached.

              The reactors were but they dumped insane amounts of concrete on top of them using helicopters entombing them.

              Spent fuel ponds are far larger far more dangerous animals than reactors — you cannot entomb them.

              The Fukushima nuclear catastrophe could have been far worse, it turns out, and experts say neither the nuclear industry nor its regulators are doing enough to prevent a calamitous nuclear fuel fire in America https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/05/20/19712/scientists-say-nuclear-fuel-pools-around-country-pose-safety-and-health-risks

              Japan’s chief cabinet secretary called it “the devil’s scenario.” Two weeks after the 11 March 2011 earthquake and tsunami devastated the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, causing three nuclear reactors to melt down and release radioactive plumes, officials were bracing for even worse. They feared that spent fuel stored in the reactor halls would catch fire and send radioactive smoke across a much wider swath of eastern Japan, including Tokyo.

              http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/05/burning-reactor-fuel-could-have-worsened-fukushima-disaster

              Assuming a 50-100% Cs137 release during a spent fuel fire, [8] the consequence of the Cs-137 exceed those of the Chernobyl accident 8-17 times (2MCi release from Chernobyl). Based on the wedge model, the contaminated land areas can be estimated. [9] For example, for a scenario of a 50% Cs-137 release from a 400 t SNF pool, about 95,000 km² (as far as 1,350 km) would be contaminated above 15 Ci/km² (as compared to 10,000 km² contaminated area above 15 Ci/km² at Chernobyl).

              A typical 1 GWe PWR core contains about 80 t fuels. Each year about one third of the core fuel is discharged into the pool. A pool with 15 year storage capacity will hold about 400 t spent fuel. To estimate the Cs-137 inventory in the pool, for example, we assume the Cs137 inventory at shutdown is about 0.1 MCi/tU with a burn-up of 50,000 MWt-day/tU, thus the pool with 400 t of ten year old SNF would hold about 33 MCi Cs-137. [7]
              http://belfercenter.hks.harvard.edu/publication/364/radiological_terrorism.html

              Containing radiation equivalent to 14,000 times the amount released in the atomic bomb attack on Hiroshima 68 years ago, more than 1,300 used fuel rod assemblies packed tightly together need to be removed from a building that is vulnerable to collapse, should another large earthquake hit the area. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/14/us-japan-fukushima-insight-idUSBRE97D00M20130814

              The problem is if the spent fuel gets too close, they will produce a fission reaction and explode with a force much larger than any fission bomb given the total amount of fuel on the site. All the fuel in all the reactors and all the storage pools at this site (1760 tons of Uranium per slide #4) would be consumed in such a mega-explosion. In comparison, Fat Man and Little Boy weapons dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki contained less than a hundred pounds each of fissile material – See more at: http://www.dcbureau.org/20110314781/natural-resources-news-service/fission-criticality-in-cooling-ponds-threaten-explosion-at-fukushima.html

              Once the fuel is uncovered, it could become hot enough to cause the metal cladding encasing the uranium fuel to rupture and catch fire, which in turn could further heat up the fuel until it suffers damage. Such an event could release large amounts of radioactive substances, such as cesium-137, into the environment. This would start in more recently discharged spent fuel, which is hotter than fuel that has been in the pool for a longer time. A typical spent fuel pool in the United States holds several hundred tons of fuel, so if a fire were to propagate from the hotter to the colder fuel a radioactive release could be very large.
              http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/making-nuclear-power-safer/handling-nuclear-waste/safer-storage-of-spent-fuel.html#.VUp3n5Om2J8

              According to Dr. Kevin Crowley of the Nuclear and Radiation Studies Board, “successful terrorist attacks on spent fuel pools, though difficult, are possible. If an attack leads to a propagating zirconium cladding fire, it could result in the release of large amounts of radioactive material.”[12] The Nuclear Regulatory Commission after the September 11, 2001 attacks required American nuclear plants “to protect with high assurance” against specific threats involving certain numbers and capabilities of assailants. Plants were also required to “enhance the number of security officers” and to improve “access controls to the facilities”.

              The committee judges that successful terrorist attacks on spent fuel pools, though difficult, are possible. If an attack leads to a propagating zirconium cladding fire, it could result in the release of large amounts of radioactive material. The committee concluded that attacks by knowledgeable terrorists with access to appropriate technical means are possible. The committee identified several terrorist attack scenarios that it believed could partially or completely drain a spent fuel pool and lead to zirconium cladding fires. Details are provided in the committee’s classified report. I cannot discuss the details here.

              http://www.cfr.org/weapons-of-mass-destruction/nuclear-spent-fuel-pools-secure/p8967

              If any of the spent fuel rods in the pools do indeed catch fire, nuclear experts say, the high heat would loft the radiation in clouds that would spread the radioactivity.

              “It’s worse than a meltdown,” said David A. Lochbaum, a nuclear engineer at the Union of Concerned Scientists who worked as an instructor on the kinds of General Electric reactors used in Japan. “The reactor is inside thick walls, and the spent fuel of Reactors 1 and 3 is out in the open.”
              http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/world/asia/16fuel.html

              If you don’t cool the spent fuel, the temperature will rise and there may be a swift chain reaction that leads to spontaneous combustion–an explosion and fire of the spent fuel assemblies. Such a scenario would emit radioactive particles into the atmosphere.

              Pick your poison. Fresh fuel is hotter and more radioactive, but is only one fuel assembly. A pool of spent fuel will have dozens of assemblies. One report from Sankei News said that there are over 700 fuel assemblies stored in one pool at Fukushima. If they all caught fire, radioactive particles—including those lasting for as long as a decade—would be released into the air and eventually contaminate the land or, worse, be inhaled by people. “To me, the spent fuel is scarier. All those spent fuel assemblies are still extremely radioactive,” Dalnoki-Veress says.

              It has been known for more than two decades that, in case of a loss of water in the pool, convective air cooling would be relatively ineffective in such a “dense-packed” pool. Spent fuel recently discharged from a reactor could heat up relatively rapidly to temperatures at which the zircaloy fuel cladding could catch fire and the fuel’s volatile fission product, including 30-year half-life Cs, would be released. The fire could well spread to older spent fuel. The long-term land-contamination consequences of such an event could be significantly worse than those from Chernobyl.
              http://science.time.com/2011/03/15/a-new-threat-in-japan-radioactive-spent-fuel/

              Today there are 103 active nuclear power reactors in the U.S. They generate 2,000 metric tons of spent nuclear waste per year and to date have accumulated 71,862 tons of spent fuel, according to industry data.[vi] Of that total, 54,696 tons are stored in cooling pools and only 17,166 tons in the relatively safer dry cask storage. http://www.psr.org/environment-and-health/environmental-health-policy-institute/responses/the-growing-problem-of-spent-nuclear-fuel.html

              Spent fuel fire on U.S. soil could dwarf impact of Fukushima

              http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/05/spent-fuel-fire-us-soil-could-dwarf-impact-fukushima

              A fire from spent fuel stored at a U.S. nuclear power plant could have catastrophic consequences, according to new simulations of such an event.

              A major fire “could dwarf the horrific consequences of the Fukushima accident,” says Edwin Lyman, a physicist at the Union of Concerned Scientists, a nonprofit in Washington, D.C. “We’re talking about trillion-dollar consequences,” says Frank von Hippel, a nuclear security expert at Princeton University, who teamed with Princeton’s Michael Schoeppner on the modeling exercise.

              ….the national academies’s report warns that spent fuel accumulating at U.S. nuclear plants is also vulnerable. After fuel is removed from a reactor core, the radioactive fission products continue to decay, generating heat. All nuclear power plants store the fuel onsite at the bottom of deep pools for at least 4 years while it slowly cools. To keep it safe, the academies report recommends that the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) and nuclear plant operators beef up systems for monitoring the pools and topping up water levels in case a facility is damaged. The panel also says plants should be ready to tighten security after a disaster.

              At most U.S. nuclear plants, spent fuel is densely packed in pools, heightening the fire risk. NRC has estimated that a major fire at the spent fuel pool at the Peach Bottom nuclear power plant in Pennsylvania would displace an estimated 3.46 million people from 31,000 square kilometers of contaminated land, an area larger than New Jersey. But Von Hippel and Schoeppner think that NRC has grossly underestimated the scale and societal costs of such a fire.

            • JMS says:

              Chernobyl doesn’t seem to prove anything since the worst was contained, russians managed to drop billions of cement and rublos on the problem.

            • NomadicBeer says:

              This is in reply to Djerek about Chernobyl.
              If you read the research papers about it, you will see that the effects of the radiation are devastating – even trees died (which nobody expected).

              On the other hand, you are correct – life thrives, the wolves and boars, dears and rabbits all have made a great return. Plant life flourishes and it really looks like Eden.

              There is no contradiction here – it’s simply that us humans are orders of magnitude worse than radiation.

              Every litter of animals has a death rate of >50% due to radiation, but people would have killed them all.
              I don’t agree with Guy McPherson but his point of “habitat, habitat, habitat” is appropriate. People destroy entire habitats from the ground up so animals have no food, water or shelter.

              So, Fast Eddy – I agree with you about the spent fuel ponds BUT I am an optimist and hope that the “exclusion zones” thus created will be centers of animal diversification and evolution

            • Fast Eddy says:

              The radiation from Chernobyl was controlled and is controlled.

              The radiation from spent fuel ponds cannot be controlled — you need ‘civilization’ to stop the water from boiling off and the release of massive amounts of radiation – FOR CENTURIES.

              Re-watch the series Chernobyl — pay particular attention to the scene where they state that if they do not stop that one pond from breaching — half of Europe would be poisoned.

              That is ONE pond. There are 4000 of them.

              What part of this do you not understand?

              You can also believe/hope you are going to heaven when you die…. you can believe/hope that renewable energy is feasible…. you can believe/hope that driving EVs will save the planet…

              You can believe/hope that you are 7ft tall and the LA Lakers are going to offer you a 20M dollar contract any day now…..

              Good luck! I deal in FACTS. And I have laid them out for your re spent fuel ponds…. Facts trump hope… always. Hope is what DelusiSTANIS try to present as facts when losing an argument.

            • Minority Of One says:

              I don’t know if it is true, but the documentary on British tv last weekend said the Chernobyl explosion emitted 500 times more radiation than the Hiroshima bomb. If I remember correctly, lots of sheep were killed and disposed of here in the UK because they were considered too radioactive for human consumption.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            You should hurry out and get your Covid shots…

            In the meantime I hereby award you this week’s prize for stooopidest comment of the week.

            • Nehemiah says:

              Gee, Eddy, you almost have me ready to light out for the southern hemisphere. Hopefully, before things totally fall apart, every country will house its spent fuel rods in specially designed casks, although with so many nuke plants spread around the northern hemisphere, I am not optimistic.

            • doomphd says:

              the monkey-and-gourd trap that Eddy is laying out here is no one in a position of responsibility is taking the threat of spent fuel ponds boiling off seriously enough. the hubris that is widely accepted (except for a few on this blog) is there is very little probability that anything could go wrong that would endanger these ponds. the model studies done that FE quotes assume a terrorist attack. they can’t imagine (like we do here) that these ponds could simply be abandoned by a broken society or the grid power going down for say, a lack of parts or a Biblical flood.

              shortly after Fukushima, recall the reactor in Nebraska, on the Missouri River, that was threatened by a flooded river? the rising waters came close to having it shut power to the facility. no power to the pumps, assuming they would still work submerged. the area is in the agricultural heartland. recall that then-president Obama was seriously piss.ed off about the matter, as he should have been.

              those ponds are a clear and present danger. they could ruin vast amounts of agricultural land for decades to hundreds, thousands of years. they should never have been built where they are.

            • Nehemiah says:

              @fast eddy @robert firth, Okay, I thought of some more search terms I could enter and I found this interesting comment in a debate on the highly partisan leftie blog dailykos:
              https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/05/20/1092637/-Fukushima-Reactor-4-In-Danger-Of-Making-Northern-Hemisphere-Uninhabitable#comment_46148734
              It was explained in the previous diary that a fuel rod fire is no longer a possibility….The reason this is not a concern at this time is because the fuel has cooled long enough that the rate of heat production by the fuel bundles is just a small fraction of what it was in the reactor and just after being offloaded. This is because the short-lived radioactive elements which were created during operations in the reactor have largely decayed away by now.
              SNIP

              The time frame during which spent rods remain hot enough to remain at danger of cladding fire was mentioned in the previous diary. Based on US Nuclear Regulatory requirements this time frame is 180 days.

              Spent fuel is eligible for dry cask storage – no water to cool – after a year out of the reactor. If the rate of heat release is low enough for dry cask storage to be used then there is zero risk of fuel cladding fire, regardless of what you believe your chosen authorities [he means Arnie Gundersen] are claiming. And if you are quoting claims from a year ago then you need to recognize the enormous difference a year makes in this regard.–END QUOTE

              So as long as the last fuel rod cools in the water for at least 6 months, this worst case scenario of a fuel rod fire should not be a concern. It’s not like the fuel rods are something we still need to worry about if the nuke plants are slowly abandoned during a prolonged general breakdown of civilization as our energy supplies dwindle in the dystopian future.

              By the way, Fast Eddy, are you aware that you have a “supervolcano” (volcanic caldera) on your south island? We have three in the US, all out west. Yellowstone gets all the attention, since it is by far biggest of the three, but it’s magma supply is so exhausted after its last 3 eruptions that it probably won’t have a major eruption for another million years.

              OTOH, the mostly ignored Long Valley Caldera (which has an air force base nestled in its midst) is fairly full and apparently ready to blow in the near future, but I am well beyond its possible ash fall radius. That’s one of the things I like about living in a big country. How’s New Zealand’s supervolcano doing, fast eddy?

        • About Kralik’s map – isn’t it the case that most of the German and many of the UK based plants are about to be closed down..

  32. Ed says:

    My favorite Viking broadcasting from 2026.

  33. As British companies move to mandate coronavirus vaccines for employees, discrimination fears mount

    Some British companies are planning to give their workers a stark choice this year: Accept the coronavirus vaccine or lose your job.

    Labor rights groups have come out against the policy, dubbed “jabs for jobs,” arguing that mandatory vaccines would not stop the spread of the virus but could lead to discrimination on socio-economic and ethnic grounds.

    “A ‘no jab, no job’ approach will be counterproductive,” said Christy Hoffman, general secretary of UNI Global Union, a Swiss-based group that represents more than 2 million service workers worldwide. “To make workplaces safer, employers cannot take shortcuts, and that is what these proposals are.”
    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/as-british-companies-move-to-mandate-coronavirus-vaccines-for-employees-discrimination-fears-mount/

    • Nehemiah says:

      If the employee gets sick (or dies) from a vaccine that is not completely tested yet, can he or his next of kin sue the employer for having coerced him into receiving it? Have the employers thought about this angle?

      • nikoB says:

        This is the angle that employees should take, especially labour unions. Since the vaccine makers are not able to be held to account then the employer should be on the hook for a disability or death of the employee as it was caused by a work “essential”. Insurance companies may balk up at this.

        • Nehemiah says:

          Better yet, “the threat is stronger than the execution” as Grandmaster Aaron Nimzovitch liked to say. (Nimzovitch’s German language magnum opus, _My System_ modeled its title on another recently published book by a German political activist, entitled _My Struggle_.) If the workers have a lawyer send their an employer a letter warning him that he and the company will be held civilly accountable (jointly and severally) in the event the incompletely tested vaccine causes a debilitating or deadly reaction in any of the employees, the employer may back away from his strong arm tactics. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of revenge.

  34. Mirror on the wall says:

    This is the Labour Party.

    > Welsh First Minister Claims ‘The UK is Over’ as Calls for Independence Grow

    The development comes amidst a heating national debate regarding the future of the United Kingdom, with pro-independence voices in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland growing louder.

    The First Minister of Wales, Mark Drakeford, has claimed that the United Kingdom “is over” and has called for a major refashioning of the union system into a “voluntary association of four nations.”

    Talking at the UK Parliament’s Welsh Affairs Committee, Mr Drakeford slammed UK parliamentary sovereignty as a “redundant notion” and added that it is time for more decision-making powers to be deferred from Westminster to the devolved nations.

    The Labour leader went on to describe his relationship with UK Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, as “remote,” criticising what he called the “relatively random basis” on which Westminster engages with the devolved nations of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

    A recent poll demonstrated that 39% of Welsh people favoured independence over remaining part of the UK – the highest level of support ever recorded.

    https://sputniknews.com/uk/202103061082272228-welsh-first-minister-claims-the-uk-is-over-as-calls-for-independence-grow/

    • Erdles says:

      Oh dear, after 300 years of social, family, economic and financial integration it’s not actually possible to split the UK up no matter what people want. There is nothing to split up, we are one country, one nation and one people.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        UK is a union of nations, countries and peoples, it is not one country, nation or people – that is the legal and constitutional situation so we may as well stay in reality. The schools should have made that situation clear. That is why referenda are legally foreseen. If they vote to go their own ways then they will. That is just how it is and denial will make no difference in reality.

      • Jarle says:

        “There is nothing to split up, we are one country, one nation and one people.”

        Huh?

  35. Nehemiah says:

    DOH! I forgot to include the link! Here it is again with the URL:

    “COLLAPSE : THE ONLY REALISTIC SCENARIO ?” — talk by Arthur Keller, 29 minutes
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPb_0JZ6-Rc&list=TLPQMDUwMzIwMjGIUcHELdZEYg&index=14
    Terrific explanation of our predicament, not about energy specifically, but a great intro to the concept of limits. Share this with your business as usual friends.

    • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

      Nice presentation on the segment I watched….He stated ….are we going to do it (degrowth)? Probably not, we rather be in denial and pretend we can continue….
      Something to that order.
      Like a friend suggested..we will change when we are forced to change and as Gail has pointed out Physics, Chemistry and perhaps some greater force is directing the outcome(s). Thank you, enjoy hearing French spoken as well.

    • Kowalainen says:

      Excellent talk. Lemme’ guess Arthur Keller and Clement MONTFORT owns and drives cars, spawned children and enjoys BAU to the tilt. You know I am right.

      Here’s a lucid vision for those two Nietzsche “intellectuals” with big ears. You first. Offload your frivolous jank and show me the hurt. Talk and text is cheap. 🤨

      Hey, I have already collapsed to late 1800’s, early 1900’s. And I like it. Now that is all you need to hear, you self entitled rapacious primates, you.

      Ah, the schadenfreude will be astronomical once those bicycles start moving straddled by lazy ass sanctimonious hypocrites, belly full of rice and potatoes.

      Oh noes, the “suffering” is “real”.

      🚴‍♂️💨💨💨💨💨

      🤣👍

      • Nehemiah says:

        I drive a car too, but at least I am not in denial about the fact that motoring’s days are numbered. And if you think that is hypocritical, then why are you using the internet? After all, the world wide web is not sustainable either.

        • Kowalainen says:

          I have nothing against technology, you should know that by now.

          Rapacious primates that uses the spoils of IC to continue their sanctimonious hypocrisy and live beyond the means of the carrying capacity, however.

          Collapse is indeed coming your way, however not in the way you envision.

          The schadenfreude will be real as you learn to cope with the “prosperity” of late 1800’s.

          😁

          • Djerek says:

            For of fortunes sharpe adversite,
            The worst kind of infortune is this,—
            A man that hath been in prosperite,
            And it remember whan it passed is.

          • nikoB says:

            All technology is destroying our life support systems. It is just a matter of time. Our tragedy is that we love what kills us. It is hard not to be living a hypocritical lifestyle these days. Harder though for most to admit that it is hypocritical.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Let’s put this into perspective. On a simple scale from 1 to 10.

              My hypocrisy and abuse of the planet is at about 2, while yours is jacked up to 11.

              Yup, I dearly love IC and technology. I’m not denying that. As for sanctimonious hypocrites, you know – “do gooder” rapacious primates, living the lie of GND hoping to persist in the folly “for a little while longer”, that are rummaging and looting the planet, perhaps not so much.

              I dearly wish them, oh, yes, to return back to the late 1800’s and early 1900’s when electricity and tap water was a luxury. A time when commuting with a bicycle was the cool new thing and trains the epitome of technology.

              Yes, bring it back. I want to teach you and them the difference between quality of life and prosperity.

              And who knows, I might get my wishes come true as the undisputed ruler of earth. The unofficial spokesperson of Mother Earth.

              🤣👍

            • nikoB says:

              What makes you think mine is 11? You don’t know me or how I live my life or what I believe in.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Perhaps I didn’t write that message only for you.

              However, I’m quite sure you live the good ‘ole BAU “lifestyle”, now do you? Own a car? Own a house? Plenty of children? No?

              😎

          • Nehemiah says:

            We can’t stabilize at the late 1800’s. Not enough coal to fuel all the steam engines we would have to build. Think early 1800s.

            Virtually all of us live beyond the carrying capacity. Even the Amish. It is extremely difficult to disentangle oneself from the larger economy which depends on fossil fuels.

            • Kowalainen says:

              I am happy to hear that you lead the charge to return to the carrying capacity of IC. Or simply prefer to wank off to collapse porn as you haul your bloated ass around in the epitome of IC excesses – the automobile.

              Right, you expect to do nothing unless everybody else follow your lead nowhere which will never happen.

              You will inevitably get the late 1800’s “prosperity” shoved up your self entitled, rapacious, rear end.

              It begins and ends with just a single person and that person is you.

              🤔

  36. Nehemiah says:

    “COLLAPSE : THE ONLY REALISTIC SCENARIO ?” — talk by Arthur Keller, 29 minutes
    Terrific explanation of our predicament, not about energy specifically, but a great intro to the concept of limits. Share this with your business as usual friends.

  37. Artleads says:

    I’m not curious about bitcoin, but hearing more about it, even in unlikely places, I’ll at least share it where people are likely to be informed.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/feb/27/bitcoin-mining-electricity-use-environmental-impact?utm_source=pocket-newtab&fbclid=IwAR2RAP3aY0mcgOyXW7f1U8UW7gg7N3VvhXsCNci_IiZdz7LJJEdFyYDM8tI

  38. Mirror on the wall says:

    Adam Smith has joined Immanuel Kant and David Hume on the list of philosophers who have come under the spot light in Britain for opinions that are considered to be not merely obnoxious to modern sensibilities but perhaps contrary to ‘moral truth’ and in any case unacceptable.

    Smith did not like slavery but he thought that it was inevitable, that it lies at the origins of society, that men are disposed to it and that it is difficult to dispose them otherwise. He lumped feudalism under the same sort of domination-based economic society.

    The key to the abolition lies in its unprofitability in more developed economic circumstances, which he recognised but did not follow through on to draw that conclusion. Marx and Engels would later consider social and property relations entirely from the view of their basis in economic development. Perhaps capitalism was just not developed enough in Smith’s day for him to see that.

    Obviously ‘natural rights’ are made up and ‘rights’ are historically and socially contingent. Modern liberal ‘rights’ are far from ‘common, easy or expected’ (synonyms of ‘natural’) in history rather they are exceptional and recent, which obviously does not make them a ‘bad thing’. And slavery is still not entirely abolished.

    This really is a can of worms. All of the British early liberal philosophers, often seen as foundational to our modern society, have passages that would make modern liberals bawk and gasp, especially as they wrote in the historical context of the settlement of the Americas and they all justified the seizure of the continent. And then there are all of the figures in British history who supported and benefited from feudalism (eg kings, clergy, nobles) and then imperialism. Basically everyone is gone.

    Marx and Engels were Lamarckists (character and ability are inherent but not unchangeable over centuries, acquired traits can become inherent) and their views on race would not now be acceptable. They too are liable for the spotlight. Even the British Labour Party did not consider the African colonies to be ‘ready’ for independence in the 1950s and 60s and they were simply swept up by the ‘winds of change’.

    At base the problem is one of bourgeois metaphysics, ‘morality’ is seen as something ‘natural’, ‘eternal’ rather than historically and materially contingent and basically ‘made up’ to match the historical circumstances. Ideology is a reflection of the economic base, which is the only reason why modern liberals are modern liberals. The idea that moderns are morally ‘better’ people is complete nonsense, they have simply conformed their ideas to their society and its horizons, the same as people in the past.

    Marxists should have nothing to do with this self-righteous nonsense – they are supposed to be critiquing modern society not taking it as a basis to criticise the past – which only reinforces the present. It is a thoroughly bourgeois perturbation and conundrum – which is not to say that one cannot find the situation entertaining. The ideological situation after collapse is anyone’s guess so we may as well enjoy the entertainment now.

    From the Mail

    > ‘Father of capitalism’ Adam Smith’s grave is included in Edinburgh council’s ‘ludicrously biased’ dossier of sites linked to slavery and colonialism

    Grave of Adam Smith and memorial on Royal Mile ‘among those to be reviewed’

    …. However, his grave and a statue to the philosopher on the Royal Mile have reportedly been mentioned in a review of sites linked to racial injustice in the city.

    It is understood this is due to evidence Smith had ‘argued that slavery was ubiquitous and inevitable but that it was not as profitable as free labour’.

    According to historians, the economist did not believe that empathy, politics or religion could motivate owners to liberate their slaves. He once said: ‘It is indeed almost impossible that it should ever be totally or generally abolished.’

    However, it is believed Smith was against slavery on ‘humanitarian and ethical grounds,’ telling his students: ‘We may see what a miserable life the slaves must have led; their life and their property entirely at the mercy of another, and their liberty, if they could be said to have any.’

    Slavery had existed all throughout Smith’s life, and he appeared to harbour a deep pessimism towards the likelihood of abolition.

    He said in his Lectures on Jurisprudence in 1763 that he could not imagine slavery ever being abolished in a ‘free’ society because of ‘the love of domination and authority and the pleasure men take in having everything done by their express orders.’

    Historian Sir Tom Devine today criticised the inclusion of Smith in the dossier, saying: ‘I personally would not agree that a gravestone ‎above the remains of the dead should be treated in this way.’

    From the Telegraph

    > In his 1763 work Lectures on Jurisprudence he states that: “Slavery takes place in all societies at their beginning, and proceeds from that tyranic disposition which may almost be said to be natural to mankind.”

    He argued that churchmen and lawmakers in his own time would only “strengthen the authority of the masters and reduce the slaves to a more absolute subjection”.

    He also notes that feudal oppression was only abolished in Europe, “owing to some peculiar circumstances” in a “small corner of the world.”

    But Smith was not indifferent to slavery, and decades before abolition in his 1759 Theory of Moral Sentiments wrote with regard to African slaves that: “Fortune never exerted more cruelly her empire over mankind, than when she subjected those nations of heroes to the refuse of the jails of Europe.”

    He maintained that slave owners should be held in moral “contempt” by slaves, and as an economist put forward an economic argument for the inefficiency of slave labour compared to using paid workers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/06/adam-smiths-grave-listed-dossier-slavery-colonialism-sites/

    • Slavery is using people for their labor in a way that gives them little freedom and no luxuries.

      Serfdom is only a small step about this, with people barely eking out a living, working for a master.

      It has been mostly as fossil fuels became available that countries were rich enough (enough goods and services to share among all without slavery) to abolish slavery.

      • Nehemiah says:

        The primary difference between slaves and serfs is that slaves could be sold individually, whereas serfs, although they could not lawfully leave their masters, also could not be sold unless the whole estate was sold and they came as part of the package.

        • Good point!

        • Ed says:

          Just like modern corporations. They can not sell employees but they can sell a division of the company and the employees go with the sale.

          • Kowalainen says:

            It is even worse today, most employees are debt slaves and serfs at corporations.

            • NomadicBeer says:

              How dare you compare our great lives working for The Man with those lazy, drunk feudal serfs?

              https://allthatsinteresting.com/medieval-peasants-vacation-more

            • Kowalainen says:

              I’m sure those serfs actually did something useful back in the day.

              As for the “modern” era corporate drone, perhaps not so much apart for the usual cookie hole flap and slide decks. Well, it certainly keeps the rapacious shenanigans going. At least for a little while longer.

              Even at small companies I gotta explain the most obvious, trivial things to people. Uncountable times I have been thinking: “Why do I first need telling you this and then secondly repeating it”. “If you don’t understand me, ask for an explanation ONCE, then Google it yourself”. What is a goddamn filter, what is sampling rate, how to measure things. Develop reasonable software. What the challenges are. Again, and again, and again.

              People are so freakishly programmed in having someone telling them what to do. How about figuring shit out yourself, nah, for fsck sake don’t do that. It will be completely garbage because you haven’t been doing that for some 30 years since you have been following orders and competing with the joneses instead of learning.

              Obviously we have devolved as a species. Fuck me if I’d had the intellect as back in the day that would have been great. Zero shits given, zero dumb ass bills to pay. Zero self entitled halfwit primates doing dullard frippery while blowing through the finite resources of Mother Earth. And having to listen to the collapse porn and various “destiny” rubbish associated with god delusions.

              I need AI or smart ass aliens right about now, because it is freakishly boring. People are fucking boring busting themselves with trite matters to fit right into the mundane affairs as perpetrated by the wank herders and their dullard masters. As father, as son.

              Luckily there are some smart ass kids that delight me from time to time. Solitude isn’t that bad either. Playing some with tech and slapping down some code into the git repos occasionally just to get my “usefulness” fix.

              Ok, I might exaggerate a bit to prove a point.

              🤣👍

            • JMS says:

              Exactly. One of the difficulties experienced by industrialists at the beginning of the 19th century was to convince workers to accept the strenuous pace of work imposed by machines and long hours. Most men in the 1800s found this type of work unworthy, which is why industrialists often hired women and children. Eventually, the solution found was to pay a salary as low as possible, so that the worker could not miss a days work.

            • I have never heard of that before.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              K, Nietzsche emphasises that the shepherds are a part of the herd. The ‘higher’ ‘person’ separates himself from the herd, has no obligations to herd them, and develops his or her own personhood in detachment from the herd. One is thus not a ‘cog’ in the machine that is economic society, neither as a ‘ruler’ nor as the ruled.

              Exceptionally rule may fall to them and it can be usefully employed as a foundation for the exploration of their separate ‘society’ of detached ‘personhood’ – but they are not essentially political let alone economic. Rule better falls to an intermediatory caste. They accept the herd with its shepherds for what they are and they derive no distress from it as if the herd were unexpected or ‘could’ or ‘should’ have been anything different.

              The important thing is to realise who and what one is oneself. Sometimes the herds with their shepherds are ‘better’ at their jobs than at other times but that need not overly concern one. One can very often develop oneself without any concern for herds and their shepherds, hidden and disguised anonymously among the herds – politics and economics are inessential to them and they are just as likely to be found hidden among the lower as the upper herd classes.

              In other words, do one’s own thing and do not distress about the humans.

            • JMS says:

              Gail, I found that reference on André Gorz’s, “Critique of Economic Reason”

              Here’s the relevant quote:

              The scientific organization of industrial labour consisted in a constant effort to separate labour, as a quantifiable economic category, from the . workers themselves. This effort initially took the form of the mechaniz-ation, not of labour, but of the actual workers: that is, it took the form of output targets imposed by the rhythm or rate of work. Indeed, piece-work, which would have been the most economically rational method, proved from the beginning to be impracticable: for workers at the end of the eighteenth century, ‘work’ meant the application of an intuitive know-howls that was an integral part of a time-honoured rhythm of life, and they would not have dreamt of intensifying and prolonging their efforts in order to earn more:The worker ‘did not ask: how much can I earn in a day if I do as much work as possible? but: how much must I work in order to earn the wage, 21/2 marks, which I earned before and which takes care of my traditional needs?’16 The unwillingness of the workers to do a full day’s labour, day after day, was the principal reason why the first factories went bankrupt. The bourgeoisie put this reluctance down to ‘laziness’ and ‘indolence’. They saw no other means of overcoming this problem than to pay the workers such meagre wages that it was necessary for the latter to do a good ten hours’ toil every day of the week in order to earn enough to survive:

              It is a fact well known … that the manufacturer [worker] who can subsist on three days’ work will be idle and drunken the remainder of the week .. , The poor, , , will never work any more time in general than is necessary just to live and support their weekly debauches … We can fairly aver that a reduction of wages in the woollen manufacture would be a national blessing and advantage, and no real injury to the poor. 17

              In order to cover its need for a stable workforce, nascent industry in the end resorted to child labour as being the most practical solution. For as Ure observed, writing of workers from rural or artisanal backgrounds, ‘it is found nearly impossible to convert persons past the age of puberty into useful factory hands’ ,18 Ure found that after the factory owner’s initial struggle to break their habits of nonchalance or idleness, they either spontaneously left his employ or were dismissed by the overseers for lack of attention to their duties.

              17. J. Smith, “Memoirs of Wool”
              18, Andrew Ure, “Philosophy of Manufacturers”

            • Thanks for the reference!

            • JMS says:

              I particularly like this passage, taken from Max Weber’s “Protestant Ethics and the Spirit of Capitalis”:

              “The worker ‘did not ask: how much can I earn in a day if I do as much work as possible? But: how much must I work in order to earn the wage, 2/21 marks, which I earned before and which takes care of my traditional needs? ‘

              I am afraid that I have always looked at work with this kind of medieval mentality. 🙂

            • Kowalainen says:

              Mirror,

              I want to pop a torpedo straight through this system of lazy acceptance of the status quo, because it is mind numbingly boring. Let it sink.

              Specially since most people does jack shit “at work”. IC is the worlds greatest and worst jobs program. Busying who? For what reason? Why? I certainly can understand this at the beginning of IC when the world was ripe for mechanization and large swaths of the work force simple peons and serfs being upgraded with abundant goods, services and luxuries such as electricity and running water. But now?

              Get this, people will dope and booze because they are bored with themselves. I will booze and dope because I am bored with them. Without the internet and books, life would have been an exercise in substance abuse. Great, isn’t it?

              I can tell from my own experience that people I know closely are totally obsessed with the internet, shifting their perspectives, prejudices and BS hacked to pieces and they love it. People simply fucking love the pain of dying folly. They might squirm and twitch, but deep inside, oh yes, bliss. You lay down the siege and bash on the bastion of idiocy, the next time your are back, a simple light poke with your stick of reason will make it crumble.

              Is it really beneficial with these non-thinking sentients? Renovating their shitty houses, endless meetings, competing with joneses, devoid of any originality or spirituality.

              I say; let it burn. 🔥

              I want to see them cringe and squirm as they crank away with misery in their minds when the rain is mixed with snow and cold as they experience glimpses of brutality of how it must have been for their ancestors. Of which they have zero respect, zero concern. Eventually, indeed, they will, just like their ancestors, smile in the face of adversity. It hurts, yes indeed, it hurts really good.

              😭👍👍

            • Lidia17 says:

              Hah! Mr. K, you “usefulness” seems to be in keeping the idiots’ crappy enterprises running with spit and baling wire. MacGyver-like.

              For certain sub-species of humans, the challenge of solving puzzles is fun and gives dopamine hits.

            • Lidia17 says:

              JMS, I think this is what laid the groundwork for increased taxation. To extract a price that needed to be paid on existence beyond material needs…

            • Kowalainen says:

              Lidia, well, I can get shit moving with cable ties, electric tape, traces on a printed circuit board and some Python code.

              That wouldn’t change if I work for a corporation that produces (useful) combines, tractors or, let’s say an auto manufacturing company outputting the epitome of IC folly.

              And that, by far, puts me ahead of any useless eaters in guvmint or private sector.

              I accept being marginally productive and useful in my current role, and that is infinitely ahead of nothing.

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            True but the workers can leave and get another job – depending on the market – so there is that difference, at least in theory.

            • Djerek says:

              Yes but the workers aren’t guaranteed housing and can easily be replaced by either domestic workers, imported foreign workers (H1B, other immigration), or the work can be outsourced.

              A feudal lord couldn’t outsource his food production or import foreigners who were happy to produce it cheaply.

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              I do not think that anyone is arguing that capitalist and feudal employment conditions are identical.

            • Djerek says:

              I well understand that. But people are arguing that they are similar. My point is that modern employment conditions are materially worse and the “Roman circus” technogical distractions being infinitely better are the only veneer that even makes them comparable.

      • Ed says:

        Modern wage slavery look a lot like serfdom.

        • Nehemiah says:

          @djerek, I am not convinced that modern working conditions are worse than under Medieval serfdom, although I do think we work more intensely and perhaps put in more total hours of actual work per year; OTOH, our standard of living is also much higher.

          @Gail, Early capitalists used to complain about the difficulty of enforcing labor discipline, but it is was even harder in many countries. In _Farewell To Alms_ , Gregory Clark describes how, when British capitalists built factories in various colonies, the workers were less disciplined and attentive to the machines than those back in Europe, and they never could completely solve this problem. Clark knows he is treading on controversial ground, so he tells his story with a degree of discretion, but it is clear he thinks the explanation is rooted in recent evolutionary history (because for centuries Europe’s most successful and enterprising residents left the most surviving offspring), and not in the explanations of the “standard social science model” that economists routinely fall back on.

          I read about some ivory tower development experts who were puzzled by the higher productivity of small Chinese farmers in Taiwan versus similar farmers in Central America. So they brought in a Taiwanese farmer to show the Central Americans their secrets. The Central American farmers all commented along the lines, “Yes, we know we could be as productive as those Chinese farmers are, but look at how hard they have to work to do it! That’s not how we want to live.”

          Even today, in the contemporary US, different groups of people (regardless of how long they have been in the United States), have varying reputations for diligence, which, from my personal observations in the workplace, are roughly accurate. Even liberals notice it, although they all fall back reflexively on the SSSM (Standard Social Science Model). They have nothing but praise for Darwin, but they don’t really take his theory seriously.

          Even within Europe, there are differences between geographic areas where people evolved recently under Medieval feudalism, and regions where they did not. The vast majority of inventions and other cultural achievements that made the modern world were produced by the inhabitants of the former feudal cultures, or by their descendants abroad. And in other ways, there has for centuries been a general advantage in income, wealth, productivity, education, and other widely admired or envied attributes held by the former feudal domains over other parts of Europe (even when the feudal areas are in the same country as the non-feudal areas) which persists to this day.

          I realize the Darwinian implications are profoundly “racist,” but just look at the evidence, and the flimsiness of alternative SSSM explanations when they are examined closely.

          • JMS says:

            It’s not really that complicated. Heat makes agricultural production and meeting basic needs easier, and physical work more unpleasant. A shiny day invites you to stroll, not to toil. But low wages also encourage this slow pace, of course.
            In southern Europe, I think the mentality of working as little as possible is relatively common among poor workers. In Portugal there is even a professional class that somewhat personifies it: the construction workers. If the guy is self-employed, as many are, whoever hires him can hardly expect him to come to work five days in a week. Indeed that’s a psychological trait that immediately baffles people from northern Europe who move here.
            Protestants have an hard time understanding this way of thinking! 🙂

            • Xabier says:

              That way of thinking fits me like a glove, JMS.

              Those of us who come from the South are halfway to Africa after all.

              I shall toast your health in a good red wine the next time I am taking a sensible break from Adam’s curse of labour, and trust you will be doing the same …….

            • JMS says:

              Many years ago I saw a report on television in a poor neighborhood in Lisbon, in which the journalist asked a young guy what his line of work was. And I never forgot the aristocratic impudence of his answer: “a minha vida não é trabalhar” (I don’t know how to translate this, maybe “I’m not made for work”).
              Ah only some poor, artists and aristocrats know how to value leisure in these decadent times!

            • Lidia17 says:

              I knew an art professor from Puerto Rico whose life motto was, “No projects: no problems.”

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      There is something ironic about the charging of Adam Smith with the harbouring and promotion of immoral opinions about slavery when it is capitalism, with which he is closely associated, that freed men from feudalism and slavery. (Although he merely wrote about it, he did not invent it.)

      The passage below is Marx and Engels on the economic preconditions of the abolition of slavery. Property relations are determined by economic (energetic and technological) development. Men are ‘liberated’ not by the development of ideas or of social morality but rather by the development of the material means of life and prosperity, on which those ideas depend.

      It was the development of capitalism that ‘freed’ men – or brought in wage labour, which in other circumstances of plenty could be seen as immoral. Our societies have a fake bourgeois ‘metaphysics’ and a very shaky grasp of how history works. Raging against the graves of thinkers from centuries ago is just bizarre, comical and grotesque – even entertaining.

      > Nor will we explain to them that it is only possible to achieve real liberation in the real world and by employing real means, that slavery cannot be abolished without the steam-engine and the mule and spinning-jenny, serfdom cannot be abolished without improved agriculture, and that, in general, people cannot be liberated as long as they are unable to obtain food and drink, housing and clothing in adequate quality and quantity. “Liberation” is an historical and not a mental act, and it is brought about by historical conditions, the development of industry, commerce, agriculture, the conditions of intercourse. – The German Ideology, part I: Feuerbach. Opposition of the Materialist and Idealist Outlook

      • Kowalainen says:

        I have this moron idea that IC is a system which liberates people from drudgery and disease. However, most people don’t seem want to be liberated.

        Apparently most in the herd freely accept being (debt) slaves and serfs in large multinationals. At least they can avoid physics drudgery for now. As for illnesses, well, they bring it mostly to themselves using the spoils of the very system that liberated them from drudgery.

        Ironic.

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          You have a moron idea?

        • Dennis L. says:

          So maybe think about it this way:

          The first instinct is survival, the second procreation which requires a woman as of yet.

          Women do the choosing, not men, more toys meansa man is more attractive to a woman, off to the races.

          We maybe are making it too deep, very simple.

          Boats work well, see for example:

          Warning, this is somewhat over the top, for those living on a low carbon foot print, while there are some boats with less than 600hp, one company has boats with five 450hp outboards. Girls, skin, booze, horsepower. Guys, a fishing boat with a small outboard is not going to cut it. Given a choice, try convincing a woman to live in artic MN during the winter when sun and fun beckon.

          Some of you will find this offensive, sorry.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je8qhQjiOQM

          Ah Freddy, the banks of the Miami river are not abandoned, perhaps a boat?

          Dennis L.

          • Slow Paul says:

            Good one, Dennis. This is our predicament summed up. Go big or go home (alone).

          • JMS says:

            “Women do the choosing, not men, more toys means a man is more attractive to a woman, off to the races. ”

            There is some truth in that generalization. But

            In the economically lower classes, women are the selecting agents, right. But at the top of the social pyramid who chooses is the richest partner, who’s usually the man, not the woman.

            It’s also not exactly true that more toys means more gals. Women, who are generally more sensible than men, often know how to value a partner for something more than the toys he owns. Honesty, intelligence, diligence sense of humor and responsibility can be more attractive to a woman than a Maseratti.

            And reproduction is not exactly a race. If it were, only the first classified would get the prize! And that’s not true, as is patent in our overpopulated world.
            Some people even prefer not to enter the race (even knowing they would come first, as in my case :)) because they think the prize is not worth it … What kind of shity race is that?!

            • Kowalainen says:

              Yup, the dating “market” gives me the cringes as in yet another self entitled princess of IC to educate by being obnoxious to her imagined desires and needs. Eventually ending in separation as the iron clad stone wall is impenetrable.

              I have been there, all the drama and tears as they try to make you conform, which only strengthens your position.

              I guess most men simply folds and accepts being the tools controlled by the limbic system of the female, herself “radio” controlled by the herder narrative peddlers. Feminism and equality of outcome, anyone?

              However, I have nothing against females, rather the use of them as tools for perpetrating the folly. 🤢🤮

              Indeed in the richer castes, it’s the man, not the woman that does the selection. Feminism? Equality of outcome, pfft…. pah…. From a poor family or simply dumb? GTFO.

              SHOW ME THE MONEY HONEY.

              Positive thing about East Asian women is that they seem to appreciate money more than stuff. It’s not as prevalent in the Nordic countries, but to a certain degree it exist as well. Stuff is such a lousy proxy of wealth when debt is on the cheap.

    • Nehemiah says:

      mirroronthewall wrote: “Marx and Engels were Lamarckists (character and ability are inherent but not unchangeable over centuries, acquired traits can become inherent)”

      Yes, and Darwin was a Lamarckist too, that being a mainstream view of heredity in those days. That is what made paleo-Darwinism acceptable to Marx. But once Darwinism was merged with the genetic discoveries of Mendel to form the Neo-Darwinian Synthesis, it became a huge theoretical problem for them. They had to accept Darwinian theory to some degree in order to explain the existence of life (it is, after all, a firmly atheistic ideology), but they had to exempt man from natural selection after a certain date or stage of development or the Marxian version of historical determinism and the Marxian dogma that class differences are a simple result of class oppression and exploitation would crumble.

      Here is the famous poem by Markham, “The Man With the Hoe,” which well captures the Marxist view of humanity and history, except the myth of the Noble Savage has been replaced with the myth of the Noble Worker. I once read that this poem has been translated into more languages than any other English language poem. It really is a very impressive poem, one of my all time favorites from an purely aesthetic point of view, but I consider its message is fundamentally mistaken. You can tell that Markham had really “drunk the kool-aid.”
      https://poets.org/poem/man-hoe

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Marxism is a historical materialist interpretation of economic, social and ideological development. They considered ‘equality’ to be a bourgeois political and legal concept rooted in the replacement of feudal ties with free competition in the market; proletarian demands for wealth equality (or at least well-being) were similarly historically and economically located.

        ‘Equality’ in its social sense is historical not ‘natural’, there is no natural equality of persons, not physiological, moral or social and Marx and Engels, being materialists, were under no illusions on that count. Their entire worldview is one of ongoing development, the continuous coming to be of all things including economic and social forms – and people, dialectics in opposition to a static or final essentialism or ‘idealism’.

        You are probably thinking of someone else. Actually I cannot think of anyone who said that human evolution has come to an end. Some have opined that modern society has ended natural selection and would eventually lead to a levelling of the types (which is itself a kind of evolution). Nietzsche struggled with the similar inkling as ‘the last man’ and something to be avoided. Selection is very much ‘back on’ if Gail is correct, which seems likely.

        • Lidia17 says:

          The vast majority of people exempt humans from being, or indeed having been, subject to evolutionary pressures and sorting. At some point, it was decided politically that evolution no longer applies to the human species outside of some imagined future realm.

          When people speak of human evolution today, it seems to be in the sense that all 8 billion will collectively evolve forward in some improved, Greta-sanctioned, way.

  39. Harry McGibbs says:

    Financialization ad absurdum: “Critics are warning of a dangerous bubble as celebrities and speculators make millions on a type of art that doesn’t actually exist.

    “Online-only artworks, accompanied by a digital authentication stamp called a NFT or “non-fungible token”, were selling for millions this week even though they could be easily shared or copied by anyone on the internet for free.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2021/03/06/critics-warn-bubble-celebrities-cash-art-doesnt-exist/

  40. Harry McGibbs says:

    “The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has said that legal action is imminent over the UK’s move to unilaterally extend grace periods on Irish Sea border checks.

    “Maroš Šefčovič told the Financial Times that “infringement proceedings” are being prepared.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56285874

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Disruption caused by Brexit took its toll on Anglo-French trade at the start of this year, mirroring declines in commercial activity between the UK and other large EU countries…

      “Even though the UK and EU agreed a last-ditch trade deal to avoid tariffs on most goods which came into force on January 1, trade has still been disrupted by higher shipping costs, transportation delays, health certificate requirements and more complex customs requirements at the border.”

      https://www.ft.com/content/5b8028a7-edaf-4488-8e96-3761ba8b015f

      • Trade disruption leads to havoc on just in time supply lines. Perishable food is especially a problem.

        • Denial says:

          In the short term I see oil prices rising very high. I agree with Steven Kopits about how that will happen. Its amazing its going to be just like 2008 but bigger! High inflation followed by collapse and crash by the end of the summer maybe fall. I am always early on these predictions but I thought it would happen in 2020 but with the recent stimulus checks combined with Jane Yellen manipulations I don’t see how we don’t get massive oil inflation. The oil countries will be happy to see that and they will let it burn with their own greed getting in the way….

          Oil will be $100 by the end of the summer! With fracking no! to slow to come into the game…supply shortages and lots of money chasing goods will drive up prices….

          I know that Gail and others have always been deflationist but I think that you are wrong in the short term—-Long term you may be right! But before that there will be a lot of people on here wringing their hands saying you were wrong!

          George Gammon has a good white board of how much u.s dollars they are going to dump into the system!! Its out of this world! The quote that sticks with me is I have never seen a country destroyed by deflation but I have seen many destroyed by inflation.

  41. Harry McGibbs says:

    “‘Only we know what we’ve seen’: migrants re-enter US after Biden lifts Remain in Mexico…

    “Nearly 25,000 people out of at least 70,000 who crossed the US-Mexico border and were sent back, under the policy known more formally as the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), are now eligible to be reprocessed on the US side.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/05/us-immigration-biden-remain-in-mexico-asylum-seekers

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Migrants on deadly sea crossing to Italy double:

      “A dangerous cocktail of Covid-19, political chaos and resurgent people smuggling has doubled the number of migrants sailing from north Africa to Italy this year, with many more drowning.”

      https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/migrants-on-deadly-sea-crossing-to-italy-double-3mrnkzmz5

    • What to do with all of the people who want to migrate? That is the question. Conditions are getting worse in poor countries all over the world, as energy consumption falls. Mexico is in especially bad shape, with its declining oil supplies and falling oil prices.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Mexico is going to walk across the river and reclaim what was taken from them by first the Spanish and then John Wayne. It has always been that way, one goes with the flow, live in the west, learn Spanish, marry a Mexican woman; blonds have become very troublesome. With a sense of humor, think of a divorce lawyer taking a case from a blond, having the husband served and finding he is a member of MS-13. Bad career move.

        Dennis L.

    • Nehemiah says:

      “migrants” makes them sound like lawful migrants, which they are not. It is dishonest reporting.

      • Robert Firth says:

        Nehemiah, you are right. But I feel there must be some opportunity for people who want to build a better life for themselves and their families, and who are willing to work hard to that end. The problem, of course, is the other 80%.

        My proposal: admit every migrant, tag them with an implant, and warn them at the border: one crime and you face the justice system; two crimes and you are deported; three crimes and you hang. Separate the wheat from the chaff, and do so without fear and without reproach.

        • Nehemiah says:

          @Robert, Here’s the problem. A number of a years ago an international survey, once adjusted for the size of the global population, indicated that about 5 billion people would immigrate to the United States if we would allow them all in! Also, the United States was created by our country’s founders (British citizens who had migrated from one part of the British empire to another part of the British empire, not immigrants to the domains of a foreign sovereign) “for ourselves and our posterity,” not to become the world’s largest refugee camp. Why can’t we stop pretending to be “exceptional” and admit that we, although large, are still just an ordinary country with limited carrying capacity like any other country that must protect the long term interests of its own citizens and their descendants? Bringing everyone in the 3rd and 4th worlds to the United States is not the solution to global poverty, but it is an effective way to put our own people on the fast track to impoverishment and intensified internal cultural conflict. We are more fortuitously situated than many other nations, partly by luck and partly by the talents and wisdom of our own forbears–why do we want to screw it all up?

          • Djerek says:

            Ultimately there are other issues here as well:

            A. you’re uprooting and alienating people from native cultures, and hopefully more modest means they can at least somewhat locally support (the effect of NAFTA on Mexico is a primary example of this, people were uprooted from healthy agricultural communities where they had some level of self sufficiency and turned into helots if they emigrated to the US or if they stay they were turned into serfs living on garbage industrial food from the US and working in outsourced factories whilst living in shanty towns).

            B. After things do collapse in any real measure, the ethnic/racial/cultural/religious divides that all of this population movements have exacerbated will simply lead to more violence and misery.

          • Robert Firth says:

            Thank you for your response. Your points are valid, and I think make an excellent counterpoint to my proposal. I agree that the US cannot admit the entire world, but suspect (though cannot prove) that restrictions made explicit upfront will largely keep the scroungers, criminals and general barbarians well away. There is lower hanging fruit to grab in Western Europe.

            • Nehemiah says:

              @Robert Firth, There is more involved than just the quality of the immigrants. Numbers matter too. When energy production begins to decline, it will be all we can do as the global economy unwinds to feed and maintain order among the 320 millions we have already. Importing more people just makes the problem worse. Furthermore, the millions of unemployed we have already (based on the labor force participation rate) would mostly prefer to work. Even pre-covid, we had millions who were involuntarily idled all or part of the time. Importing foreigners to compete with them would not be fair.

              Now I do make one exception, in that I would support numerically equal population exchanges. For example, many Americans have nothing but praise for Europe and want to make the US more like Europe. I would happily endorse a diplomatic deal whereby they could migrate to Europe in return for an equal number of Europeans who are fed up with the European way and would rather live in America.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Nehemiah,

        No sarcasm, no political judgment. What the Amerindians needed was Donald Trump and a wall, that was their problem. Were the Pilgrims lawful?

        They are migrants, so it has always been. No political inference meant.

        Dennis L.

        • Nehemiah says:

          Land is won or lost. That is the way of the smallest tribe or the biggest empire. Yes, the Indians would have done better to send their navies out to stop us at their coasts, had they had any, and literally no one would have blamed them if they had, but they were stone age peoples, Neolithic, even the Inca and Aztecs, 5000 years behind us. One pair of co-authors compared the Europeans with time travelers from the future when they came to the Americas.
          https://www.amazon.com/000-Year-Explosion-Civilization-Accelerated/dp/0465020429

          In an ideal world man would be a race of angels, but in the world that actually exists, “Homo hominem lupus,” especially where competition between groups is concerned. But I don’t lie awake at night cursing the Romans or the Angles or the Normans. At some point you just have to say that the natives lost those wars and adjust to the current reality. But to willingly throw your doors open to hordes of unarmed invaders when it is in your power to avoid it? That is insanity. We should learn from the Indians and try to avoid their fate.

          • JMS says:

            Exactly. Just common sense in fact. On a finite planet, no people give up their territory if they can avoid it, and no people stop trying to conquer their neighbors if they realize these are weaklings and possess something worth the conquering expedition.

          • Ed says:

            If you need renters for your section 8 apartments you love immigration and pay the politicians to keep the flow coming.

        • Lidia17 says:

          I have a leftist friend who sports a T-shirt showing an array of Apaches armed with rifles (which I don’t think they invented). The caption on the shirt reads “America’s Original Homeland Security.”

          Bizarrely, he is anti-2nd-amendment, in favor of gun control.

  42. Harry McGibbs says:

    “‘I’ve Never Seen Anything Like This’: Chaos Strikes Global Shipping:

    “Off the coast of Los Angeles, more than two dozen container ships filled with exercise bikes, electronics and other highly sought imports have been idling for as long as two weeks.

    “In Kansas City, farmers are struggling to ship soybeans to buyers in Asia. In China, furniture destined for North America piles up on factory floors. Around the planet, the pandemic has disrupted trade to an extraordinary degree…”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/06/business/global-shipping.html

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “European polymer prices hit record highs this week and are expected to continue to rise as the impact from an already-constrained supply chain was further enhanced by perfect-storm market shocks.”

      https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/market-insights/latest-news/petrochemicals/030521-european-polymer-prices-rise-to-record-this-week-on-supply-chain-shortages

      • Notice that this is Europe that is having difficulty sourcing a particular type of petroleum product: “polymers.” Part of the problem is loss of supply from refiners in Texas, when the Texas grid shut off refiners electricity due to cold weather. Part of the problem is not enough containers in Europe, and related high container prices. I expect that this is partly because Europe doesn’t have enough goods to send back out.

        Part of the problem, I expect, is because Europe is a long way from where these polymers are made. Refineries have been shutting down in Europe, because of lack of oil to feed them and probably inadequate margins for operating the refineries.

        • Kowalainen says:

          polymers = plastics.

          A fantastic material, specially when reinforced with another “oven baked” polymer that then becomes carbon fibers.

  43. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Swedish house prices soared to the highest level ever recorded, as a growing number of people make use of unprecedented central bank stimulus to upgrade into bigger homes.

    ““From a credit perspective, one can only conclude that the market has been gripped by hysteria, which is connected to central banks pumping money into the system,” said Carl Johan Lagercrantz, a portfolio manager at Strand Kapitalforvaltning AB in Stockholm.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-05/swedish-house-prices-jump-15-to-record-high-amid-lockdown-fever

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Canada is talking again about whether most of the country is in a soon-to-burst real estate bubble.

      “In Vancouver last month, the benchmark price for detached homes rose by 13.7 percent compared with a year earlier, reaching 1.6 million Canadian dollars. In the Toronto area, the average selling price for detached homes rose by 23.1 percent over the same time period, and a composite price that includes all kinds of housing topped 1 million dollars.”

      https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/05/world/canada/canada-housing-market-covid.html

      • I can’t image that incomes have rising to match the inflating housing market. More likely, the hope that prices will rise more, together with low interest rates and easy credit are fueling the bubble.

        • Nehemiah says:

          Sounds like houses are trading like Bitcoins or shares in Gamestop.

        • In other words, big chunk of this effect is caused by the upper caste (close to new money inflationary spigot) when diversifying into housing as investment.. they don’t know the whole surplus energy story but via “animal spirit” alerted predatory instinct tells them the society is probably imploding on some level hence manic dash for attempting “self preservation” on the perceived wealth / monetary plane..

          While industrial goods / wares have been in deflation (vs real price of money and energy) for some time already – but today with delayed effect now turning into supply chain problems and therefor visible inflation starts so far in some limited space like hi-end gfx cards / chips. Eventually, similar combo of inflation – unobtanium status for tech products will cause systemic ricocheting and chaos of the IC nexus as it must flow on plethora of replacement parts intake..

          Some smart folks predicted this very sequence decades ago..
          No doubt many robber barons just having fun along the way filing up the proverbial bonfire..

          • Kowalainen says:

            The old money is at loss, piling up at the populace subject to vaxxing and their shitty indebted jank rendered basically worthless overnight, assume 10% bites the dust. Then the Bitcoin craze on top of it as money laundering mechanism, on top of that the CB money laundering and various FW masking shenanigans.

            “Aaaand, ITS GONE!”

            Then of course useless eater unemployment en masse. I mean for fsck sake, we got AI’s writing goddamn music, poetry, philosophy, etc. It is barely coders can scrape by only because of limits in wattage supplied to the behemoth data center/compute cathedrals.

            I don’t know man, if being useful, marginally productive is at the limit of having a function. How about the rest?

            🤔

            • Lidia17 says:

              Well, maybe the true ‘value’ of it all (zero, or less than zero) is being realized…

        • Dennis L. says:

          Gail,

          It is not done that way, one purchases a home on loan, fluffs it, sells it and the profit is tax free up to a limit, rinse and repeat. If one is a builder one is a serial trader, pocket the cash, invest it, use it is collateral, rinse and repeat.

          You can’t fight the system, one goes with the flow; in the US the fed loans money for 30 years(reduces cash flow, interest is pretax) and very low rates, can’t lose and if one does, start over, worked the last time and many people lived for a couple of years without paying their mortgage – sounds like the current situation.

          Look back over the past 75 years, was there ever a period where this did not work? What if it stops working tomorrow? What is the alternative?

          Dennis L.

          • The only time it didn’t work was when housing values fell, just before the Great Recession of 2008-2009. This was when the Fed raised short term interest rates, to try to beat back inflation of in food and oil prices. The Fed has now learned that it can’t raise interest rates (short or long term) without repercussions. But US 10-year treasury interest rates have recently starting increasing on their own. If this continues, housing prices will fall in response.

            • Dennis L. says:

              Gail,

              What happened to those who purchased high? The houses are still there and worth more, those who purchased them in many cases were able to live with no payments for a number of months. In many states the first mortgage goes against the house, not the owner.

              Do it over again, don’t quit, don’t hang your head, it was a mistake, move on.

              A guess is houses are not going down, the dollar is going down – this is discussed here all the time. Leveraging the house has been a good bet for 75 years or so, no different in 2008. You either pay rent or own.

              RE, location, location, location. Sure Florida is going under, someday, but today, Florida is going up, up, up. You posted my video on Miami, not my cup of tea, but RE is going up and we don’t live forever. Now, if one purchased in NZ, moved to an island thousands of miles away, well, maybe things don’t look so good.

              For a more sedate view of life which is family friendly, and relates to FL, try this one:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC_v_VpP3lY&t=538s

              Not boats, golf carts, ecological, no bikinis, wow! The presenters are retired IN school teachers, retired from the grind at 55 – life is great.

              So off to the Villages where every lawn is perfect and cars are de minimis. See, collapse and no car isn’t all that bad. One hundred thousand residents can’t be wrong.

              Dennis L.

            • racoon#9.5meg says:

              Never mind that 2007-2008 dealt a death blow to the world economy from the finacialization of houses. It was just fine right? Those that didnt doubt were “ok’.

              Never mind Interests rates went to zero to “save the system” and now have to remain there. Never mind mark to market accounting the cornerstone of tieing equity to a organic economy went away for good. never mind Systematic contagion got discovered with too big too fail, and those players immediately realized that they should risk everything all the time because there was no penalty for losing. Never mind that with this latest juice all capital requirements for banks gone now too. Never mind the federal reserve is clearly violating their charter that was made to be so leniant as to not be ever violated. Never mind that the pentagon has 20 trillion of “money” it doesnt know what happened to. Thats 20 thousand billion. Does congress care? Does the MSM care? No they are talking about some jerry springer sideshow bob BS. Not a peep about 20,000,000,000,000 gone AWOL.

              Venezuela should have followed the rules. Eliminate all criteria for financial regulation and have even the most peripheral audits reveal 14 digit discrepancies. If they had done that they woulds have been OK.

              To just say the rules will hold. My monopoly money grew. While witnessing the a organic economy destroyed and replaced with wealth not tied to the physical world is choosing willful ignorance because the reality is inconvenient IMO.

              The finalization of housing is the worst thing that ever happened to the working class. Instead of letting income levels and organic economy determine home pricing how much dollar dilution does. Wages can not and will not keep up to the dollar dilution. When houses were tied to real income levels it meant people could afford to have a place to live not count their monopoly money.

              Counting monopoly money and patting yourself on the back mumbling tiger blood and winning full well realizing that things have gone terribly bad… Detaching from a organic economy always destroys it. To just smugly say its cool its been cool its always been cool as we go over the cliff is hiding your head in the sand… Meanwhile we have massive homelessness as we build homes with a entry level of half a mil.

              These people are living doom right now. There is doom right now. Just nothing like whats coming.

              How big do the tent cities have to get before theres a problem? Their not all going to just OD on fent and go away. The police cant just beat them all down so the go to CA.

              How long does the stimulus need to continue before there is a problem?

              How long does the eviction ban need to continue before there is a problem?

              Illegal to live in a van now too. Where? Pretty much everywhere. Whole websites about how to get away with it. Whole schools of thought about best technique. Crime of the century. Only having $20k for a van to live in.

              I could be wrong. How long do you think your gated community in florida with you venturing out to Aldis is going to hold up? How long will your paradigm that you deserve what you got because you trusted the system will hold. You think a while. I think not. time will tell.

              How long before the war?

              How long before monpoly money goes to zero?

              To accept only convenient truths is to live a lie.

            • Lidia17 says:

              One might also ask how long San Francisco can spend $60k/year per homeless-tent-person?

              https://www.startribune.com/san-francisco-paying-16-1-million-for-homeless-tent-camps/600030495/

            • Need to keep COVID-19 around as an excuse to house the homeless, in one way or another.

  44. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Venezuela’s central bank said on Friday that it would introduce a banknote worth 1 million bolivars beginning next week, as years of incessant hyperinflation continue to batter the value of the crisis-stricken South American country’s currency.”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/venezuela-economy/venezuela-to-introduce-1-million-bolivar-bill-as-inflation-persists-idUSL2N2L401H

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Argentina’s perpetual crisis… Economic activity was devastated in Argentina during the fateful year of 2020. Official data records a 10% contraction, the largest decrease on the continent alongside Peru, if the Venezuelan catastrophe is not taken into account.”

      https://english.elpais.com/usa/2021-03-05/argentinas-perpetual-crisis.html

      • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

        Harry, another website I have been to many times is “Surviving in Argentina”.
        http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

        Has a wealth of knowledge on practical tips for collapse in modern societies. Ferfal has written several books on the topic himself and also is on YouTube.
        His above website has an index of topics to link to and provide one with an easy guide for reference.

        He and his immediate family no longer reside in Argentina, but Europe.
        I see many red flags now here in the USA that he warned to be aware of before it snowballs in collapse.
        Fitting for Gail’s !a text…we may be close….

        • Harry McGibbs says:

          Thanks, Herbie – looks interesting!

          • Xabier says:

            Ferfal is very good on urban crisis, infrastructure breakdown, and rising crime.

            Argentina got very violent indeed, which is why my step-mother and her friends left even before the big crisis he writes about – far too many rapes and, later, kidnappings.

            But at least there it’s not illegal to have ferocious guard dogs and automatic weapons.

            • Duncan Idaho says:

              I like Argentina. Great fly fishing, beautiful women, not bad cuisine, and mountains and ocean to die for.
              But one does need to pay attention.
              I think it is a place that has a chance at long term survival.
              It, Russia, New Zealand and Chile.
              Possibly Canada also.

            • Herbie Ficklestein says:

              Duncan…One country in South America that I would like to visit…did not realize the fascinating Aviation History in the infant fighter jet design that was developed by formed WWII German engineers…
              https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IXo9koa9MbA

              Pretty cool story

            • Xabier says:

              One thing Ferfal did on his site ‘The Modern Survivalist’ -which seems to have disappeared recently – was to post videos of armed house and street assaults, etc, in Argentina.

              These are very instructive for those who wish to know just how criminals act, and how many bullets a human being can take and still manage to fire at you.

              Lesson: go for the head, instant end of threat.

              A gunman shot in the legs or stomach can still fire and perhaps kill you.

            • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

              Yes, he provides guidance in those areas.
              See too many accidental gun deaths.
              Never point a gun at someone, unless you intend to use it as defence.
              Always check the gun is unloaded, even in the chamber, before handling.
              Keep the gun in a secure locked area, especially if children, teenagers are around.
              If you have anger or temper issues, best not to own one and select other choices, pepper spray, stun gun. Lots of folks have been put away in prison for “blowing up”.
              Take gun instructional classes on proper gun
              handling and care.
              Also books, and videos on YouTube and such are also valuable reference.
              I have a concealed weapons carry permit but don’t intend to do so with a gun.
              If I decide to do it will buy lawyer insurance.
              The permit also is for other weapons like knives. Good for ten years and easy to get here in Florida.
              A lot of responsibility goes with protecting oneself and family

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Hey doomies… we may have only months remaining before you need to ‘bug out’…. and remember… the oil is gone so there will be no ‘bugging back in’ – it’s permanent.

          So you may want to use this period to refine your bug out plan…. cuz once BAU goes… there will be no Walmarts so you can go buy anything… what you have is what you have…

          I recommend you start bugging out on weekends (if you have to work) … bring no petrol … use no electricity… no cheating .. you want to duplicate collapse.

          See how that goes… then if you have not given up in despair try a week — then a month — no resupplying… you use what you have or what you can gather…

          Ideally if you can try this in the winter that would be best … cuz you will ne