Our fossil fuel energy predicament, including why the correct story is rarely told

There is more to the fossil fuel energy predicament than we usually hear about.

Strangely enough, a big part of the confusion regarding the nature of our energy problem comes from the fact that virtually everyone wants to hear good news, even when the news isn’t very good. We end up seeing information in the Mainstream Media mostly from the perspective of what people want to hear, rather than from the perspective of what the story really is. In this post, I explain why this situation tends to occur. I also explain why our current energy situation is starting to look more and more like an energy shortage situation that could lead to economic collapse.

This post is a write-up of a presentation I gave recently. A PDF of my talk can be found at this link. An mp4 video of my talk can be found at this link: Gail Tverberg’s Nov. 9 presentation–Our Fossil Fuel Energy Predicament.

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Most people attending my talk reported that they had mostly heard about the issue on the right end of Slide 2: the problem of using too much fossil fuel and related climate change.

I think the real issue is the one shown on the left side of Slide 2. This is a physics issue. Without fossil fuels, we would find it necessary to go back to using older renewables, such as oxen or horses for plowing, burned wood and other biomass for heat, and wind-powered sail boats for international transport.

Needless to say, these older renewables are only available in tiny quantities today, if they are available at all. They wouldn’t provide many jobs other than those depending on manual labor, such as subsistence agriculture. Nuclear and modern renewables would not be available because they depend on fossil fuels for their production, maintenance and long distance transmission lines.

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On Slide 4, note that M. King Hubbert was a physicist. This seems to be the academic specialty that finds holes in other people’s wishful thinking.

Another thing to note is Hubbert’s willingness to speculate about the future of nuclear energy. He seemed to believe that nuclear energy could take over, when other energy fails. Needless to say, this hasn’t happened. Today, nuclear energy comprises only 4% of the world’s total energy supply.

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The transcript of the entire talk by Rear Admiral Hyman Rickover is worth reading. I have excerpted a few sentences from his talk. His talk took place only a year after Hubbert published his research.

Rickover clearly understood the important role that fossil fuels played in the economy. At that early date, it looked as if fossil fuels would become too expensive to extract between 2000 and 2050. A doubling of unit costs for energy may not sound like much, but it is, if a person thinks about how much poor people in poor countries spend on food and other energy products. If the price of these goods rises from 25% of their income to 50% of their income, there is not enough left over for other goods and services.

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Regarding Slide 6, the book The Limits to Growth by Donella Meadows and others provided early computer modeling of how population growth and extraction of resources might play out. The base model seemed to indicate that economic decline would start about now. Various other scenarios were considered, including a doubling of the resources. Without very unrealistic assumptions, the economy always headed downward before 2100.

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Another way of approaching the problem is to analyze historical civilizations that have collapsed. Peter Turchin and Sergey Nefedov analyzed eight economies that collapsed in their book Secular Cycles. There have been many examples of economies encountering a new source of energy (conquering a new land, or developing a new way of producing more energy), growing for a time, reaching a time where growth is more limited, and finally discovering that the economy that had been built up could no longer be supported by the resources available. Both population and production of goods and services tended to crash.

We can think of the current economy, based on the use of fossil fuels, as likely following a similar path. Coal began to be used in quantity about 200 years ago, in 1820. The economy grew, as oil and natural gas production was added. We seem to have hit a period of “Stagflation,” about 1970, which is 50 years ago. The timing might be right to enter the “Crisis” period, about now.

We don’t know how long such a Crisis Period might last this time. Early economies were very different from today’s economy. They didn’t depend on electricity, international trade or international finance in the same way that today’s world economy does. It is possible (in fact, fairly likely) that the downslope might occur more rapidly this time.

Past Crisis Periods seem to feature a high level of conflict because rising population leads to a situation where there are no longer enough goods and services to go around. According to Turchin and Nefedov, some features of the Crisis Periods included increased wage disparity, collapsing or overturned governments, debt defaults, inadequate tax revenue and epidemics. Economists tell us that there is a physics reason for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer during Crisis Periods; in some sense, the poor get “frozen out” and the wealth rises to the top, like steam.

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Slide 9 is a chart I prepared several years ago, showing the growth in the world production of fuels of various types. What little wind and solar was available at that time was included in the biofuels section at the bottom. Early biofuels consisted largely of wood and charcoal used for heat.

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Slide 10 shows average annual increases for 10-year periods corresponding to the periods shown on Slide 9. This chart goes to 2020, so it covers a full 200-year period. Note that the increases in energy consumption shown are especially high in the 1951-1960 and 1961-1970 periods. These periods occurred after World War II when the economy was growing especially rapidly.

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Slide 11 is similar to Slide 10, except I divide the bars into two pieces. The bottom, blue part corresponds to the amount that population grew, on average, during this ten-year period. Whatever is left over I have referred to as the amount available to increase the standard of living, shown in red. A person can see that when the overall growth in energy consumption is high, population tends to rise rapidly. With more energy, it is possible to feed and clothe larger families.

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Slide 12 is like Slide 11, except that it is an area chart. I have also added some notes regarding what went wrong when energy consumption growth was low or negative. An early dip occurred at the time of the US Civil War. There was a very long, low period later that corresponded to the period of World War I, World War II and the Depression. The collapse of the central government of the Soviet Union occurred in 1991, so it is part of the 10-year period ended 2000. Most recently, we have encountered COVID shutdowns.

The peaks, on the other hand, tended to be good times. The period leading up to 1910 corresponded to the time of early electrification. The period after World War II was a period of growth and rebuilding. Most recently, China and its large coal resources helped pull the world economy forward. China’s coal supply stopped growing about 2013. I have written that we can no longer depend on China’s economy to pull the world economy forward. With recent rolling blackouts in China (mentioned in the next section), this is becoming more evident.

Without enough energy, the current period is beginning to look more and more like the period that included World War I and II and the Great Depression. Strange outcomes can occur when there basically are not enough resources to go around.

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Slide 14 shows recent energy production. A person can see from this slide that wind and solar aren’t really ramping up very much. A major problem is caused by the fact that wind and solar are given the subsidy of “going first” and prices paid to other electricity producers are adjusted downward, to reflect the fact that their electricity is no longer needed by the grid. This approach tends to drive nuclear out of business because wholesale electricity rates tend to fall to very low levels, or become negative, when unneeded wind and solar are added. Nuclear power plants cannot easily shut down. Instead, the low prices tend to drive the nuclear power plants out of business. This is sad, because electricity from nuclear is far more stable, and thus more helpful to the grid, than electricity from wind or solar.

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Fossil fuel producers need quite high energy prices for a variety of reasons. One of these reasons is simply because the easiest-to-extract resources were removed first. In recent years, producers have needed to move on to resources with a higher cost of extraction, thus raising their required selling prices. Wages of ordinary citizens haven’t kept up, making it hard for selling prices to rise sufficiently to cover the new higher costs.

Another issue is that fossil fuel energy prices need to cover far more than the cost of drilling the current well. Producers need to start to develop new areas to drill, years in advance of actually getting production from those sites. They need extra funds to work on these new sites.

Also, oil companies, especially, have historically paid high taxes. Besides regular income taxes, oil companies pay state taxes and royalty taxes. These taxes are a way of passing the “surplus energy” that is produced back to the rest of the economy, in the form of taxes. This is exactly the opposite of wind and solar that need subsidies of many kinds, especially the subsidy of “going first,” that drives other electricity providers out of business.

Prices for oil, coal and natural gas have been far lower than producers need, for a long time. The COVID shutdowns in 2020 made the problem worse. Now, with producers quitting at the same time the economy is trying to reopen, it is not surprising that some prices are spiking.

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Most local US papers don’t tell much about world energy prices, but these are increasingly becoming a big problem. Natural gas is expensive to ship and store, so prices vary greatly around the world. US natural gas prices have roughly doubled from a year ago, but this is a far lower increase than many other parts of the world are experiencing. In fact, the bills that most US natural gas residential customers will receive will increase by far less than 100% because at the historic low price, over half of the price for residential service is distribution expenses, and such expenses don’t change very much.

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Slide 17 shows another way of looking at data that is similar to that in Slide 14. This slide shows amounts on a per capita basis, with groupings I have chosen. I think of coal and oil as being pretty much the only energy resources that can “stand on their own.” The recent peak year for combined coal and oil, on a per capita basis, was 2008.

Natural gas, nuclear, and hydroelectric were the first add-ons. If a person looks closely, it can be seen that the growth rate of this group has slowed, at least in part because of the pricing problems caused by wind and solar.

The “green” sources at the bottom are growing, but from a very low base. The main reason for their growth is the subsidies they receive. If fossil fuels falter in any major way, it will adversely affect the growth of wind and solar. Already, there are articles about supply chain problems for the big wind turbines. Any cutback in subsidies is also harmful to their production.

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US papers don’t tell us much about these problems, but they are getting to be very serious problems in other parts of the world. The countries with the biggest problems are the ones trying to import natural gas or coal. If an exporting country finds its own production falling short, it is likely to make certain that its own citizens are adequately supplied first, before providing exports to others. Thus, importing countries may find very high prices, or supplies simply not available.

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This slide got a lot of laughs. The university does have some sort of agricultural plot, but teaching subsistence farming is not its goal.

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My point about “scientists who are not pressured by the need for research grants or acceptance of written papers are the ones trying to tell the whole truth” got quite a few laughs. As a practical matter, this means that retired scientists tend to be disproportionately involved in trying to discern the truth.

With the military understanding the need to work around energy limits, one change has been to move away from preparation for “hot wars” to more interest in biological weapons, such as viruses. Thus, governments of many countries, including the United States, Canada, France, Italy, Australia and China, have funded research on making viruses more virulent. The vaccine-making industry also supported this effort because it might enhance the industry’s ability to make and sell more vaccines. It was believed that there might even be new techniques that would develop from this new technology that would increase the overall revenue generated by the healthcare industry.

Questions came up, both during the talk and later, about what other changes have taken place because of the need for much of the audience to hear a story with a happily ever after ending, and because of the known likely decline of the economy for physics reasons. Clearly one thing that happens is successful entrepreneurs, such as Elon Musk, aim their production in areas where subsidies will be available. With fossil fuel production not making money, fossil fuel producers are even willing to undertake renewable projects if subsidies seem to be high enough. The issue isn’t really, “What is sustainable?” It is much more, “Where will the profits be, given where subsidies will be, and what people are being taught about how to perceive today’s problems?”

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In fact, what has been happening in recent years is that a great deal of debt has been added to the world economy. Mostly, this added debt seems to be creating added inflation. It definitely is not leading to the rapid extraction of a great deal more fossil fuels, which is what really would allow the production of more goods and services. If inflation leads to higher interest rates, this, by itself, could destabilize the financial system.

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I tried to explain, as I have in the past, how a self-organizing economy works. New citizens are born, and old ones pass away. New businesses are formed, and they add new products, keeping in mind what products citizens want and can afford. Governments add laws and taxes, as situations change. Energy is needed at every step in production, so availability of inexpensive energy is important in the operation of the economy, as well. There are equivalences, such as employees tend also to be customers. If the wages of employees are high, they can afford to buy many goods and services; if wages are low, employees will be very restricted in what they can afford.

In some sense, the economy is hollow inside, because the economy will stop manufacturing unneeded products. If an economy starts making cars, for example, it will phase out products associated with transportation using horse and buggy.

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A self-organizing economy clearly does not operate in the simple way economists seem to model the economy. Low prices can be just as big a problem as high prices, for example.

Another issue is that the energy needs of an economy seem to depend on its population and how far it has already been built up. For example, roads, bridges, water distribution pipelines and electricity transmission infrastructure must all be maintained, even if the population falls. We know humans need something like 2000 calories a day of food. Economies seem to have a similar constant need for energy, based on both the number of people in the economy and the amount of infrastructure that has been built up. There is no way to cut back very much, without the economy collapsing.

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I am not exactly certain when the first discussion of the economy as a dissipative structure (self-organizing system powered by energy) started. When I prepared this slide, I was thinking that perhaps it was in 1996, when Yoshinori Shizoawa wrote a paper called Economy as a Dissipative Structure. However, when I did a search today, I encountered an earlier paper by Robert Ayres, written in 1988, also discussing the economy as a dissipative structure. So, the idea has been around for a very long time. But getting ideas from one part of academia to other parts of academia seems to be a very slow process.

Debt cannot grow indefinitely, either, because there needs to be a way for it to be paid back in a way that produces real goods and services. Without adequate energy supplies, it becomes impossible to produce the goods and services that consumers need.

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Attendees asked about earlier posts that might be helpful in understanding our current predicament. This is the list I provided:

Humans Left Sustainability Behind as Hunter Gatherers  – Dec. 2, 2020
How the World’s Energy Problem Has Been Hidden – June 21, 2021
Energy Is the Economy; Shrinkage in Energy Supply Leads to Conflict – Nov. 9, 2020
Why a Great Reset Based on Green Energy Isn’t Possible – July 17, 2020
The “Wind and Solar Will Save Us” Delusion – Jan. 30, 2017

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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4,672 Responses to Our fossil fuel energy predicament, including why the correct story is rarely told

    • How many countries in Central Africa are on your list?

      • Mike Roberts says:

        Having all countries on the list would be best. What do you think adding (assuming they aren’t already there) some central African countries would do to the overall picture?

        • Mike Roberts says:

          Ah, saw the source, these are just EU countries. Still appears to show some effectiveness of vaccines overall. Slovakia is interesting, though. Is that different vaccines, bad data, behavioural differences?

        • Central African countries do not have either many COVID cases or much use of vaccinations. They seem to have two things going for them:

          1. The frequent use of ivermectin to treat parasites of various kinds that thrive in a warm, humid climate. This seems to kill off COVID viruses as well.

          2. A warm humid climate that is not welcoming to viruses. But Singapore seems to have a warm humid climate as well, and it has a COVID problem. (Its COVID problem may be because of its air conditioning.)

  1. Sam says:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/gas-stimmys

    Interesting story… the author alluded that high prices are due to government purposely restricting oil. That’s because it’s from the right. The left will say it’s from Saudi Arabia and Russia trying to bankrupt country.

  2. Brian says:

    I find it amusing that so many of you don’t mind staring down the barrel of a gun when it comes to societal collapse but you’re terrified of a vaccine. Maybe the vaccine kills me early but given what is coming, I’m not too upset about that.

    • Perhaps the issue is, “We are not sufficiently frightened of dying from the virus to want to substitute raising our changes of dying by the ‘vaccine’ instead.” Also, “We do not want to participate in making the virus grow stronger through this vaccination effort.”

      But we do need some humility. Very few of us are likely to be around more than few more years. Perhaps this is the way the self-organizing system works. As the economy shrinks, the population must shrink. We don’t like being added to the adverse event lottery of the vaccine, but, in at least some parts of the world, there may be no way out, short of overturning governments. Perhaps overturned governments is where this is all leading. We learn as we go along.

      • Xabier says:

        ‘Adverse event lottery’ is a good way of putting it, Gail.

        Count me out of being randomly crippled by clots, a stroke, or instantly blinded (some 4,000 in the UK alone – reported x 10).

        Collapse and even death are not nearly as horrifying in comparison – I long ago resigned myself to both.

        Besides, as BAU is still remarkably persistent, why on earth play the state lottery just now?

      • Sam says:

        “Very few will be around in a few years “ 🤔 hey can I have your car and 401k😆. How do you reconcile this thinking with family? Grandkids?
        I have been guilty of making this prediction but it’s really hard to tell. I remember reading a story about a guy that sold his house before and liquidated everything thinking the end was just around the corner….when it didn’t happen he killed himself leaving his kids fatherless. I don’t rule out anything at this point I do believe that Tesla was right that energy is all around us we just don’t know how to use it.

        • It is a hard story to talk about with much of anyone, especially children and grandchildren.

          I am afraid 401ks and retirement funds in general will pretty much disappear. In fact, bank accounts will have very little meaning, if the international economy fails. It would be impossible for the US or Europe (on its own) to make a very large share of the goods and services it uses.

          A car, without spare parts or fuel, wouldn’t be very helpful for very long.

          Fortunately, we don’t know how or when this all goes down.

          • Burgundy says:

            From your research, would you say that whatever coming is unavoidable, even with a foresight of almost 70 years as it is the fate of all dissipative structures?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        That would mean the CEP fails… heaven help us.

    • Rodster says:

      Nothing to be amused about because WE ARE ALL DEAD regardless. In fact the overwhelming percentage is that something besides Covid will send you and 99.95% of the population to the grave. I’m not terrified of the vaccine. I just know i’m being played by corrupt criminal institutions. Tony Fauci, unleashed the virus and now he owns patents on some of these vaccines. Bill Gates invested hundreds of millions in BioNTech/Pfizer months prior to the outbreak. He stands to quite possibly be the wealthiest man ever in history. Now he’s buying up farmland.

      This is not about a virus but about compliance and control. Think TSA and the 2020 flavor is now Covid 19. I don’t fear the vaccine, I just don’t like someone pissing on my head and convincing me it’s raining. I have done my research and I know at the very least these experimental drugs don’t work as advertised and the only solution is moar of the same by those pulling the strings.

      It’s like Albert Einstein’s definition of “insanity” ‘you keep doing the same thing expecting different results’.

      • NomadicBeer says:

        I am amazed at the amount of people that say “it’s not a big deal”.
        They are complicit to censorship, discrimination and segregation and it’s not a big deal?
        Not to mention selling their souls out of fear. Because that is the reality – they are scared to death because the MSM told them so.

        I will never understand human nature.

    • Minority of One says:

      “Maybe the vaccine kills me early but given what is coming…”

      A quick and early death ain’t so bad. If that was the only outcome I would be tempted to take the vaxx. It is the other side effects you should be worried about. Crippled for the rest of your days, damage to your nerves, dementia, strokes, as Xabier mentions, blindness. The list of side effects is lengthy.

      • Brian says:

        It has been 8 months and I’ve had zero side effects. Maybe they’re coming in the future but according to friends of mine with Ph.D.s in microbiology (I have 2 of them) that doesn’t seem very likely. If you’re going to be crippled by it, it happens shortly after receiving it.

        • If the problem is early dementia, that might come later, however. A higher risk for cancer could come later, also.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Hey Brian — did your friend ever consider that the reason we don’t see a lot of long term side effects with vaccines that were fully tested over a 10-15 year period is because they were fully tested over a 10-15 year period and there were almost no long term side effects… and that is why they were approved for general usage?

            Whereas we have no idea at all what will happen in the next decade with the Pfizer because the experiments are ongoing and involve billions.

            F789 your friend and his microbiology degrees. He is a F789ing MOREON if that is what he told you. He is not fit to wash Fast Eddy’s feet.

            You pass along that message will ya.

        • Tim Groves says:

          Even if they held a Ph.D in microbiology, which for those who are unsure of the term, is the study of microscopic organisms, such as bacteria, viruses, archaea, fungi and protozoa, I wouldn’t count on these academics to be experts on coagulation, inflammation, cardiovascular diseases, strokes, autoimmune diseases, prion-like diseases, mitochondrial dysfunction and all the other ways in which the spike-protein can cause damage.

          If I had taken even one clot shot, even if it wasn’t a hot lot clot shot (which means it came from a batch shown statistically to have caused more serious short-term side effects than most batches have done), I would be worried sick, palpitations and adrenaline attacks would wrack my body, and my quality of life would plunge to zero.

          Clot shots are fine for those with thicker skins, who don’t worry about what gets injected into their bodies. But for us sensitive artist types, they would be an insufferable torture that makes dying from pneumonia a mercy by comparison, which is why we stay well away from them.

          I am a sensitive artist
          Nobody understands me because I am so deep
          In my work I make allusions to books that nobody else has read
          Music that nobody else has heard
          And art that nobody else has seen
          I can’t help it
          Because I am so much more intelligent
          And well-rounded
          Than everyone who surrounds me

          I stopped watching TV when I was six months old
          Because it was so boring and stupid
          And started reading books
          And going to recitals
          And art galleries

          I don’t go to recitals anymore
          Because my hearing is too sensitive
          And I don’t go to art galleries anymore
          Because there are people there
          And I can’t deal with people
          Because they don’t understand me

          I stay home
          Reading books that are beneath me
          And working on my work
          Which no one understands

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The thing is … the vax is more likely to maim you than kill you ….

        If anyone wants an early, painless exit — I can recommend washing down a handful of Fentanyl with a bottle of wine…

        I am sure that would be quite pleasant.

        But not for me.

        I want to watch

    • Azure Kingfisher says:

      Interesting. Conversely, I found it incomprehensible how anyone entertaining societal collapse would voluntarily inject themselves with the latest and greatest experimental technology; a product of a late-stage industrial civilization that is clearly in its death throes.

      Are you sure that the industrial and technological inputs needed to research, develop, and distribute your miracle elixir will be in place for the rest of your remaining years? Because at this rate you’re looking at “boosters” every six months to a year going forward. Additionally, you’re going to need the industrial and technological inputs necessary to sustain Big Pharma and Big Medicine should you experience any adverse reactions to any one of your miracle elixir injections.

      From this point of view, if the goal is to survive as long as possible, then increasing individual resiliency while decreasing reliance on the faltering systems of our late-stage industrial civilization – to the extent that you can – is the best path forward. Let that which is dying fall away without dragging you down with it.

      Do you really want to manifest a future in which the vast majority are so weak, so incompatible with the biosphere, that they need routine injections in order to survive? This is essentially the future that Fauci, Gates, Walensky, et al. are offering us.

      • Mike Roberts says:

        Some vaccines don’t use “experimental” technology and those who do use a technology that you would label “experimental” are actually using a technology that was experimental in 1990, but not now.

        How often boosters will be needed is unknown at this stage but many here think they know the answer.

        By the way, I know this link will fall on deaf ears, as it refers to data from the CDC, but unvaccinated people are 14 times as likely as vaccinated people to die from COVID-19 and 6 times as likely to catch it in the first place.

        • None of the vaccines for COVID that are available in the US use traditional technologies, such as those used in making vaccines for influenza.

          There may be a few of the COVID vaccines in the world that use traditional technology (in Russia and/or China) that use traditional technology, but their effectiveness is not very good.

          Someone may have details on this.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Well well well … what have we here…. it’s mike!

          You think you can just come back and continue your spew…

          It’s like you crashed a party … ripped a series of loud smelly farts… drank way too much … said the most foolish things… tipped over the buffet table…. were thrown down the stairs by security and told to F-off and never come back…

          You went home… meanwhile everyone at the party was laughing at the ridiculous buffoon who was tossed out… making jokes at the buffoon’s expense…

          And you get back in your car… and come in through the servants’ entrance… and pretend nothing happened…

          Have you no shame?

    • Fast Eddy says:

      That’s the whole point of the ‘vaccine’

      The thing is…

      I agree with everyone else taking the Kill Shot… but as Fast Eddy’s representative on Earth … HE is not allowing me to take the shot because HE needs me to be alive when it all comes crashing down… HE cannot risk losing me to a clot or a heart attack….

      And also…

      I like to watch.

      So I want to observe the chaos as the centre unravels. It will be like standing on the rim of the volcano … as it erupts… WOW!

  3. Student says:

    Daily Covid-19 cases are going up again in Israel.
    Reading the article, in my view, it is also clear implicitly that they are giving experimental jabs to children to protect adults (who are now probably weak after three shots) and not to protect children.

    https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/covid-daily-cases-at-the-highest-in-a-month-as-kids-start-getting-jabbed-685770

    • I am surprised that Israel is concerned this soon, but see more of the detail data than I do. I only see one day’s report that is high. It would seem like a person would need at least three high reports before being alarmed.

      Maybe they are seeing more detail underlying this, suggesting that the pattern will continue. Perhaps details lead them to believe that the vaccine isn’t really providing much
      protection.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        If I recall herr Bossche stated that the time between injections would reduce with each booster… the virus has already seen this feeble attempt to defeat and it is stronger and better prepared each time…

        https://sd.keepcalms.com/i/what-doesn-t-kill-you-makes-you-stronger-11.png

        mike has not appeared in quite some time… let’s check in on him

        http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sMrXLDk26DA/UE0EiNHbvTI/AAAAAAAAXAc/W1ij1JIj5lw/s1600/insane.jpg

        I reckon it would be fun to live in an insane asylum…. I remember one time I had a sub teacher job and for some reason the school had integrated some kids who were a bit touched… there was a school assembly and one of the kids started shouting out ‘Eeeeok… Eeeeeok’… for no reason (I suppose he had his reasons though …)

        It was quite an impressive performance… a major hullabaloo

        I imagine the inmates where mike is are at least that entertaining… hopefully they aren’t dangerous … watch your back mike… Be Paranoid

      • Mike Roberts says:

        Within the story:In the past week, 77% of the new virus carriers identified were never vaccinated, and another 10% were among those whose vaccine is considered expired, but around 9% of the cases were recorded among Israelis who received a booster.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      As Bossche predicted… Bossche has been right 100% of the time… as Bigtree says… if he’s been right about everything so far… it’s likely he’s going to be right when he says at some point we get a virus that is unstoppable….

      Bossche would be a CEP guy — if he were aware of the energy story.

      None of these guys is able to connect the dots cuz they only see a few of them… they cannot accept that they are being put down … because they can see no reason for the PTB to put everyone down.

      This leaves them confused… frustrated… and angry

  4. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    Say what?
    Don’t see much cutback on Airline Travel

    Rajesh Kumar Singh
    Tue, November 23, 2021, 6:05 AM
    By Rajesh Kumar Singh

    CHICAGO (Reuters) – From offering premium pay to hefty signing bonuses or poaching workers from other airlines, American carriers are scrambling to ramp up staffing for the holiday season and prevent disruptions that marred air travel this summer.

    After sacking thousands of workers during the depths of the pandemic, the industry is grappling with shortages of pilots, flight attendants and customer service agents. Critics say the staff crunch is of the airline industry’s own making as the savage job cuts last year, despite an infusion of $54 billion in federal aid to help cover payroll expenses, left it ill-equipped to handle the snapback in air travel.

    With willing workers in short supply across the United States and companies frantically vying for them, carriers are being forced to spend more to attract talent. “The reality is that the hiring environment has changed as a result of the pandemic,” American Airlines’ chief operating officer, David Seymour, told employees in a memo this month.

    Piedmont Airlines, American’s subsidiary, is trying to lure pilots with a $180,000 bonus offer. United Airlines is offering a $5,000 signing bonus for a ramp agent position in Boston.

    Spirit Airlines has bumped up wages for its ramp agents by 30%. The ultra-low-cost carrier is offering a one-time graduation bonus of $1,250 and up to $4,500 a year in tuition reimbursement to flight attendants.

    The rush to hire in a tight labor market is driving up costs at a time when soaring jet fuel prices and higher airport charges are also squeezing profits.

    Southwest Airlines’ wage expense as a percentage of revenue is up by 14 points this year versus 2019. There have been similar increases in salary costs at other carriers including United and American.

    Flights are packed and bonuses for all work groups that have perfect attendance for the Holiday Season..
    BAU full throttle 🐥…Don’t know about the price of Jet Fuel.??? But the People wants it the people get it!
    Even Gail said she’s going take a flight for Turkey Day.. You GO GIRL!

  5. jj says:

    Mike Roberts;

    In the just one page of comments you have argued

    1. “…there is no harm in getting vaccinated in order to fit in with the governmental views and be able to get around more easily than the unvaccinated.“

    2. of course the vaccine doesnt stop infection. every informed person knows that

    3. The vaccines provide a “certain level of” vaccination.

    This is very unusual behavior for a human. We have these things called beliefs and our essence which is communicated in words is a function of those beliefs.

    • JMS says:

      Bots will be bots.

    • Mike Roberts says:

      I didn’t argue 1 (see the context and the actual full text).

      Number 2 is well known and hardly startling – vaccines do reduce infect, spread and severe disease, as shown in research.

      Number 3 is garbage. If I said anything like that, it was a typo. Vaccines do provide vaccination. The “certain level” would refer to the level of protection against various aspects of the virus and associated disease.

      Now please stop incorrectly paraphrasing my words.

  6. Kurt says:

    Being a part of The Core, I’m wondering how to define it. By wealth, by country, by energy usage, by resources? Interested to hear other opinions. To me it seems like it is USA, Canada, Russia, UK, all those Northern European countries like Sweden, France, Germany and Italy. I don’t think China and India qualify and they will collapse dramatically in oh, say two years or so.

    • Bei Dawei says:

      Maybe we should think of it as a bloc of countries that are not only likely to be the “last countries standing” (whatever this may mean–Venezuela technically still exists), but also likely to defend one another.

    • Perhaps it is the parts of the world that have some existing hunter-gatherers who will be best able to survive. There aren’t many of these. They would be able to get along without fossil fuels better than others.

      Otherwise, I wonder if it will be small sections of today’s countries that may be able to survive for a while longer. I would expect the surviving pieces to be fairly warm, because providing heat for an economy is almost impossible without a lot of fossil fuel use.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Revenge of the Hunter Gatherers.

        Death to Farmers – organic or otherwise – farming is the reason we are about to go extinct.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Ok cool .. this looks like a good option if I can get there

          Bolivia

          The Toromona are an uncontacted people living near the upper Madidi River and the Heath Rivers in northwestern Bolivia.[14] The government has created an “exclusive, reserved, and inviolable” portion of the Madidi National Park to protect the Toromona.[31] It was this group which faced encroachment from a Bolivian mining company in 2016.[14]

          Among the Ayoreo people of the Gran Chaco are a small number of uncontacted nomadic hunter-gatherers in the Kaa-Iya del Gran Chaco National Park and Integrated Management Natural Area.

          Pacahuaras are believed to be living in voluntary isolation in Pando Department.[32]

          I’ll shave my head… recruit these village men … and we’ll start cutting off the heads of CovIDIOTS and putting then on poles… we’ll hang them from trees…

          Similar to this

          https://youtu.be/nveZYvyIERA

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Always have a Plan B though … if A goes sideways… this would be easily done in Bolivia … the home of Blow

          https://youtu.be/a_z4IuxAqpE

      • DJ says:

        How do you imagine people going to H/G without climatus changus (or something) making farming impossible?

        Farming socities are more powerful than H/G and will outcompete the latter.

    • DJ says:

      Interesting. Some/many deny there is a core, about the same people who are instadoomers I think.

      I can’t help thinking we in the core would do ok without india, not sure about China.

      Small countries- no problem.

  7. Adonis says:

    I have until December 20 to get jab or else

    • jj says:

      They are playing us. The deep dark “or else”. Our own imagination far worse than any “or else ” they can come up with. stand your ground. HIPPA is the law. It is illegal for them to inquire about your personal health decisions. Nethor confirm nor deny.

      It might not save your job. As admistrator whats desirable is as many leave on their own without risking compensation paid for the company. If they know your savvy not a punk its a consideration.

    • Adam says:

      My date was Nov 12, i got the else.

      • T.Y. says:

        I’m sorry for what you have to endure. Truly sad it is coming to this.

        I can offer some positive news: a while ago i was posting here after a dinner with colleagues feeling quite down and concerned about possiby losing my job because i really stuck out my neck defending the alternative perspective and countering the flawed mainstream narrative as good as possible. Although at the moment it was very awkward and stressfull, i can now report that i’ve managed to get through to at least one colleague, who is now also seeing the writing on the wall considering the never-ending injection schedules they have in store for us. Without my prompting he actually said to another colleague that he’s not planning on getting himself jabbed every 6 months with boosters. The other colleague (the 2nd one) was also quite open that he thought things were going too fast now and that there is no need to jab children. He himself is a father of 2 and got covid bad enough to need hospitalization, but his children 8 & 10, got it and barely noticed.

        I don’t know what my employer will ultimately do , but the increasingly irrate behaviour of the goverment is not going unnoticed with at least some of the more pragmatic “middle of the road” people. Once they decide that this has gone far enough it will get really interesting.
        Frankly i wonder to what extent that that might be a factor in instigating another lockdown: can’t have too many people figuring out that the people pushing this are possibly significantly less numerous than media would make it appear….

        Keep defending your views…. hold the line….

        • Sam says:

          Well I can relate too.. I had a friend/ colleague die from co$id everyone wanted to know weather he was va$$. I would say I don’t know it’s none of my business. But of course it is they would say and one dr. Was complaining to a friend of mine that he was unva$& a d how terrible that is for society etc….

          I. The flip side is when someone dies of cardiac arrest etc … it is just written off hush hush… can’t be from the va$$ …. Of course

        • Xabier says:

          Glad to hear you are not alone. It was worth speaking out after all.

          Likewise, I’m pleased to have started a mask revolt in the supermarket – not much, of course, but something!

          People told me they just needed to hear me, because they had been thinking none of it made sense but no one dared make the move.

          Boosters are proving a hard sell, I suspect, which is why Fauci is hinting it may only be one per annum. The Liar!

          • hillcountry says:

            Good on ya for the mask revolt! That’s “something” for sure. Glad to hear that T.Y. success too.

            I used to rabble-rouse politically with a guy who was notorious for his creativity in getting people to read a radical labor-oriented newspaper. I didn’t see this, it was before my time, but part of his legend was donning a fancy raincoat that had a mess of pockets sewn inside (it was a thin newspaper, which folded, slipped into those pockets) and pulling it open slightly, like some guy on the street selling stolen watches. Almost a gag, but people came to know him by this schtick. He’d do this at shift-change at factories, where swarms of guys were pouring past him, and to great success. “What’cha got there bud”. “Hey gimme one of those too”. “What’s he got over there”? “Grab me one Joe”. “Hey Kenny, ain’t seen ya in awhile”.

            The image always stuck with me. It has one element about it that really works for people who may be uncomfortable trying to converse about the resistance, or whose encounters are mostly short ones.

            An effective spin-off of his thing is using a simple folded-up leaflet of your own design in a one-on-one situation like a retail encounter, or in a restaurant. Curiosity is usually a noticeable response to a hand-off. No one so far has refused to accept the Ivermectin leaflet I created. They often slide it into their pocket to read later. “Hey, check this out when you get a chance” It’s sort of a “secret handshake”. Might even work in professional settings. My encounters are mostly working-class folks. The sense of intrigue at the point of handoff is bolstered by that telepathy a person has; where he or she knows that you actually care about them in an individual way. It’s casual, but it’s really personal at the same time.

            In cases where they unfold it while you’re there and want some verbal to go along with what they’re scanning, it’s easy to basically repeat what’s on the leaflet, kind of like helping someone holding a map asking for guidance in an unfamiliar city. “Oh, it’s all about the amazing Ivermectin story”. “They found out this old-time anti-parasite drug works great against the Corona Virus” etc. Just skim the surface and almost always they say “I’ll check this out, thanks”. Sometimes they’ll really surprise you with either being up-to-speed or some kind of “wish I’d known about this before gramma died” or “isn’t that the stuff I use for my horses”

            The worst nightmare of the media moguls and their masters-in-crime is an army of Agent Smiths who act like they’re Thomas Paine

            I’m sticking with the Ivermectin-angle for my leaflets because it’s a non-threatening entry-point into the fray. Plus, it just might save a life or two. Once you get someone to visit the FLCCC Alliance website, as one “for instance”, most of your work is done and it’s a better effect than many of us could do in any casual encounter verbally. On-line, people can absorb things at their own pace.

            Suggestions: use big block letters, with italics, underlines, highlights; and as little text as possible, just enough to get the message across; with actual links they’re going to have to type-into the URL box, (Tiny URL helps there) and/or titles of great videos and papers they can Google, Printing both sides gives plenty of space to get enough of the story across to set the hook. The bolder the better. I fold an 8.5×11 four times to make it palm-sized for the hand-off.

            Same thing could be done with VAERS if someone is in contact with people who might respond to that approach. Or mix VAERS and Ivermectin. Thing I like about an Ivermectin focus is it’s something that Vaxxed people are going to be more curious about as time goes on too. It’s much less threatening than suggesting they probably bought-into more than they wanted to chew. Hope is a better driver for a lot of people than fear, now that we’re so far into this mess.

        • Harry says:

          “but the increasingly irrate behaviour of the goverment is not going unnoticed with at least some of the more pragmatic “middle of the road” people. Once they decide that this has gone far enough it will get really interesting.”

          I see that in a similar way.
          Of course, my boss also has to fulfill the official requirements (I now have to be tested every day at work), but he also made it clear in a personal conversation with me that he personally finds this extremely unserious and illogical in the meantime.
          We’ll see how far this can go before resistance emerges from the business community at some point.
          It’s hard to say, but there is a critical point for everything in life.

          So far, my job is not in danger; I could always go to the home office.
          But as of today, I am no longer allowed to go to rehab sports because the “2G” rule applies (recovered or vaccinated).
          Absurd.
          Health can really no longer be a priority.

    • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

      It’s like this Adonis. You got to play the percentages….Here on the States there are legal battles going on about the mandates tied up in the courts.
      Our Florida Governor is against mandates….he is NOT against vaccination!!!
      Last I heard he’ll agree to weekly testing, mask wearing of unvaccinated ect…
      So, you can file for medical or religious reasons here and probably be harassed for not getting the jab with the boosters eventually….
      My Sister is pro vaxx and got her shots along with my 99 year old Mother.
      That was months ago and she’s OK. Mom had a small stroke that was attributed to her advanced ago…she’s doing OK now at best can be.
      Got till January 4th myself…..wait and see which way the wind blows.
      I’m in my 60s so it really not a big deal as far time goes…lived most of it already.
      Most at work got it with no ill effects, maybe a couple after the shots.
      I’m a runner and signed up for a virtual half marathon in Ides of March Bayside Tour.
      Saw the roster and the big drop off in signing up is on their 60s.
      Practically no one over that except a few ….
      Suppose in the 70s, if they still at it, run 10k or 5 ks

      Anyhoot. My feeling is if you don’t get it your work will make you life a bit more difficult.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        virtual half marathon in Ides of March Bayside Tour.

        I’ve entered the virtual NHL …I’ll be playing on the New York Rangers… I get a virtual salary of $12M per season… I’ve also requested that I be the leading goal scorer on the team

        • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

          Yo Ed, I could actually go to the event but it would be too much trouble considering caring for my elderly parent that’s 99 and in poor health. The only reason to enter is a motivation to keep moving…plus they send you a T shirt and finishers medal…which I don’t need any more. Yeah, with modern gadgets everything is tracked and since I’m looking at 2 in a half hours..no.one will care…I enter one a year, don’t know if this is my last considering I’ll turn 64 …maybe step down to 10k after this one

          • Fast Eddy says:

            How does it work — do you lie on the sofa and flick the controller and pretend to run …

            Or do you actually run and pretend you are in the marathon…

            If the latter then you can pull a rosie ruiz and take the subway

  8. Student says:

    A new scientific study made in Germany has just showed that higher vaccination rates are linked to higher excess mortality rates in the Country.
    Ute Bergner, member of the German Parliament, presented it in public.
    At the end of her speech, Ute Bergner said: ‘the value of a human being is not the one of his vaccination status. We should repeat it to ourselves every single day.’

    https://t.me/RossellaFidanza/18226

    https://www.rossellafidanza.com/2021/11/23/germania-maggiore-vaccino-maggiore-eccesso-mortalita/

    • Frobert says:

      Since most excess deaths occur among the elderly and since the elderly are the most vaccinated then it follows that most excess deaths would be among the elderly.

      • Frobert

        i was told on solemn authority, (and not a little unseemly glee) on OFW, that Gen Colin Powell “had died after receiving his vax injection”

        First law of OFW ‘certainties’ and ‘facts’:

        check check and check again.

        With certain individuals, this is critical. Be prepared for torrents of abuse when you query anything–even more if you presume to present ‘alternative facts’.

        Turns out that Colin Powell (aged 84) was suffering from terminal cancer, and was on deep treatment with immuno-suppressant drugs.

        this is just a single instance,

        there are numerous others

        • I don’t think that Hank Aaron was suffering from terminal cancer.

        • Tim Groves says:

          Norman, my old mate, unless you are arguing that Colin Powell died BEFORE he was jabbed, then I must tell you that you are on dodgy ground questioning the veracity of the statement that he “had died AFTER receiving his vax injection”.

          This is purely a statement concerning the chronological order of events. It says nothing about cause and effect.

          Incidentally, had an unvaxed person with the same comorbidities died AFTER getting a positive PCR test, you would be the second person to claim it was a COVID-19 death—the first person being Duncan. Is that not so?

          • the circumstances of Powell’s death (ie post vax) were related to me via the leading oracle of OFW.

            I merely pointed out the co-morbidities which would appear to have helped him on his way a bit.

  9. “This scientist now believes covid started in Wuhan’s wet market. Here’s why.
    “Michael Worobey hasn’t always been certain about where covid originated. During the pandemic, the University of Arizona professor was among a group of 18 influential scientists who signed a letter in May calling for further investigation to help prove or disprove the theory that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through a possible lab accident.
    “Now he’s published a new study in Science that suggests that the earliest diagnosed covid case was incorrectly understood—and that Wuhan’s Huanan wet market was almost certainly the site of a spillover of the SARS-CoV-2 virus from animals to humans, rather than a lab leak. His intervention, and growing confidence in the natural spillover idea, is likely to re-ignite the debate around the hunt for the origins of covid.
    “Drawing on myriad sources, he found that many of the first diagnosed cases of covid were either people who worked at the market or lived nearby. The findings have convinced him that the market was the site of a spillover from animals.”

    https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/11/19/1040390/covid-wuhan-natural-spillover-wuhan-wet-market-huanan/?truid=d588ee1e36faed18b0f602ee9f2f16c7&utm_source=the_download&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the_download.unpaid.engagement&utm_term=&utm_content=11-23-2021&mc_cid=067f0eaf5a&mc_eid=662b7fd83b

    Maybe COVID is partly a result of world population overshoot?

    • Ed says:

      let us not forget the idea of staff at the bio-weapons lab selling post experiment animals at the wet market. Simple trying to get by of poor people.

    • Lidia17 says:

      Technocracy Review, huh? OF COURSE the first “diagnosed cases” were from the wet market “or nearby”. The lab is “nearby” the wet market, remember? This is more intentional confusion.

      Here’s a different sort of clue that might lead one away from the idea of this all being some kind of accident: Gov. contract with Moderna from 2015, establishing that the USG (NIAID) and Moderna shall co-own mRNA coronavirus vacx (and, one assumes, split profits).
      https://gab.com/Debmk/posts/107328086323930939

    • MM says:

      Or, the story went like this:
      A chinese Doc posted a virus story and the CCP got upset.
      A Virus was never found.
      So the CCP created a sample and sent it to Dr Drosten.
      The sample is the basis for the test and the vaccine of the West tm
      The Chinese then ordered corn in the USA, Popcorn to be precise.

      • hillcountry says:

        Great scenario there!! Why not? The “corn” spin got me thinking.

        Coronucopia – the gift that keeps on giving.

        Donations accepted @

        Clots-4-Tots and your local State Clottery vendor

  10. Mirror on the wall says:

    LOL

    > Post-Brexit scheme to lure Nobel winners to UK fails to attract single applicant

    Programme to allow those with prestigious global prizes to get fast-track visas dismissed as ‘elitist’ and a ‘joke’

    A post-Brexit scheme to draw the world’s most celebrated academics and other leading figures to the UK has failed to attract a single applicant in the six months since it opened, it has been reported.

    The visa route open to Nobel laureates and other prestigious global prize winners in the fields of science, engineering, humanities and medicine – among others – was described as a joke by experts after ministers admitted its failure to garner any interest.

    “Chances that a single Nobel or Turing laureate would move to the UK to work are zero for the next decade or so,” the Nobel prize winner Andre Geim told New Scientist magazine, which first reported the news.

    The University of Manchester academic, who was awarded the Nobel prize for physics in 2010 for his work on graphene, added: “The scheme itself is a joke – it cannot be discussed seriously. The government thinks if you pump up UK science with a verbal diarrhoea of optimism – it can somehow become a self-fulfilling prophecy.”

    As part of the scheme, announced in May, the winners of some of the most prestigious global prizes were offered a fast track to a global talent visa allowing them to live and work in the UK without having to fulfil other criteria.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/23/post-brexit-scheme-to-lure-nobel-winners-to-uk-fails-to-attract-single-applicant

    • Bei Dawei says:

      Oh, Taiwan has this too! The immigration office has a strange notion of what sort of person is likely to want to move here…

  11. CTG says:

    Anyone want to enjoy a joke ?

    “Rounding Error” – Oil Prices Surge As Biden SPR Release Backfires

    LOL! this accomplishes nothing and the SPR is supposed to be used for emergencies not curing shitty poll numbers. 50 million barrels over several months?….we consume almost 20 million barrels a day

    https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/rounding-error-oil-prices-surge-biden-spr-release-backfires

    • Ed says:

      The oil is stored in Texas and Louisiana. This oil must be removed from the enemy free states. Also it must not be available to the US military should the PLA attack.

    • Sam says:

      This is Interesting what do they think? Do they believe this does anything? Are they panicking? Do they know the truth? Or do they think it is the Russians 😆

    • wratfink says:

      Yes, it’s a global market and prices are determined by how much the global buyer will pay. People in the US think that an SPR release will lower the price of gasoline. But the EIA says that the US exported over 28,000 kb of finished gasoline in August (the last month listed) 2021, one of the highest monthly totals ever. So, there is no shortage of supply at the current pump price. It’s whatever the buyer over the pond is willing to pay that determines domestic prices, I would say. I believe this has been the case since a new US petroleum export law was passed in 2015.

      Maybe the price of middle distillates will go down with the release. My heating oil bill would go down.

  12. Rodster says:

    “When Everything Is Artifice and PR, Collapse Beckons” by CHS

    http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2021/11/when-everything-is-artifice-and-pr.html

    • I think that this paragraph sums up the problem very well:

      Every institution that was once trustworthy has been debauched to maximize private gain: higher education, science, medicine, national defense–the list includes virtually every sector and industry in America. Nothing can be trusted because somebody behind the scenes is spinning the story and data to mask their self-interest, their immense gains and the carefully contrived structure of diverting investigation and eliminating transparency, competition and accountability.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Many people fear collapse, but quality, service and reliability have already collapsed. The washing machine that two generations ago was designed and built to last 25 years now breaks down after a few years–so sorry, the motherboard failed. That will cost you almost as much as new washer…

      This is exactly what happened to us… I told the repairman if it was going to be pricey let us know and we may just buy a new one.. he didn’t let us know – we got a $900 bill… complained to Bossche (not GVB…) and they waived the bill.

  13. CTG says:

    How Large-Scale Bitcoin Mining Is Driving Clean Energy Innovation

    Energy consumption from Bitcoin mining is massive, and people are taking notice. The increases have been scaling fast, with mining energy usage quickly surpassing the totals of small countries. And many see this ever-increasing carbon footprint as a threat to climate change.

    But it’s no threat. In fact, increasing energy usage might save the planet.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/how-large-scale-bitcoin-mining-driving-clean-energy-innovation

    Can anyone explain what the authors are trying to say?

    • Halfvard says:

      Just a standard Cornucopian view that increased demand will drive innovation in “clean and green energy” while obviously ignoring actual limits to resources and technology.

    • drb says:

      well, they are recovering the heat dissipated by the mining center. so they take the high density energy from the wall plug, render it low density, and eventually disperse it in the environment like everyone else. and since this is northern sweden, and right now it is a dark place, they have to spend energy to have bright lights so that things can grow. a nothingburger by any other name.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      It just crossed my mind that when people humiliate themselves on OFW then we never see them again… might they have ‘Bourdained’ themselves????

      Like the guy who molested the kids on his sailboat and tried to tell us he was teaching them how to sail…. first of all… what was he thinking when he hit Enter…

      I once knew a guy who was a lawyer in a big firm … nice enough guy … but he started going to Pattaya… sin city… and eventually he left his job and moved permanently to sin city… His thing was dating young gogo dancers .. like 18… and he had a Menudo policy … when they reached a certain age (19 or so)… he’d cut them from the team and bring in a new younger girl…

      Anyway — he’d not only tell me and a few others about this — we are not overly judgemental so we’d be amused…. but he’d tell these sordid tales in polite company…

      The thing is … this was his New Normal… for him this was quite acceptable… he had no idea that others would think his moral compass was completely busted …

      Maybe that is what was at play with the sailboat guy… nothing wrong with bringing children on your boat … and teaching them…

      Anyway … enough of these deep thoughts…

      Let’s hope mike is not too damaged by his foray onto OFW today…. chin up mike… push those dark thoughts to the side… don’t feel bad … you were always way out of your depth here…

      Think of this as a good thing… it can be the catalyst that drives you off of OFW for good… and you can start a new life somewhere else with people who have more in common with you…

      • well—there are the occasional ones who are self-humiliating idiots, and do it few times then as you say they realise it and vanish.
        The sailor guy stopped far too soon–things were just getting interesting.

        but then

        there are those who do it on a daily basis, don’t realise it, and hang around for years, regaling everyone with words of pseudo-wisdom, pseudo-violence, pseudo-wit.

        embarrassing everyone on their behalf, except for the few who agree, and ask for the address of his tailor.

  14. Fast Eddy says:

    Why aren’t healthcare workers speaking out about the catastrophe caused by the vaccines?

    Everyone thinks that if the jabs were really dangerous, doctors and other healthcare workers would be speaking out about it. They are wrong. Here are the four main reasons they do not speak out.

    It’s too hard to ignore all the vaccine injured kids showing up in the ER nowadays.

    I just heard a story from a friend who went to the lab for a stress echocardiagram.

    In the waiting room with her are 4 kids aged 7 to 10 years old with their moms. She talked to the moms. The kids were all suffering from tachycardia (heart rate that beats way too fast) and waiting to be tested.

    Two important things you need to know:

    All the kids were recently vaccinated.

    Kids that age NEVER get tachycardia (i.e., the medical experts I’ve talked to have never seen it before in their careers).

    There are close to 10,000 adverse event types elevated by the COVID vaccines. Here’s a list of the adverse events most elevated compared to “normal.” In the #2 position: heart rate, elevated by nearly 8,000 times normal.

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/why-arent-healthcare-workers-speaking

    • hillcountry says:

      FROM HIS LIST OF REASONS:

      Fear of job loss

      Belief that COVID is even worse than the vaccine injuries.

      Belief that the injuries are really rare

      Cognitive dissonance

      Belief that they can treat you for your vaccine side effects, but that they can’t treat you if you have COVID.

      Belief that there is no viable alternative for treating COVID and that the vaccines work

      Trust in the NIH and CDC

      Fear of being ostracized

      Critical thinkers have been fired

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I wonder what wise mike is up to … a quick check and I see Real Housewives of Melbourne is playing now … https://freeviewnz.tv/tvguide/whats-on/

        My money is on mike sitting there with his eyes glued to the screen … chomping on potato chips and drinking cola… with his arm around his little lamb…

        If norman rockwell was alive he’d paint this idyllic picture

        • Xabier says:

          CEP is quite bad enough, thank you, we don’t need Real Housewives of Melbourne!

          Hmm, Jacinda’s a wife, of sorts……does she moonlight?

          • D. Stevens says:

            I’m not seeing much evidence of the CEP and doom is forever just over the horizon.

            Anyone have any guesses on if we’ll see natural gas crisis in EU or a coal shortage in China first? If they do have a big shortage and the power plants can’t be fed does their grid go down and seize up the entire region? Wonder if it could happen as soon as this winter.

            • CTG says:

              Everything will happen suddenly like the day before the chickens or turkeys were slaughtered. All is well until the minute before they are slaughtered.

            • China was having rolling blackouts a year ago in November. So we are back to the same situation as before. The problems just don’t get publicized. So, China has already been having problems with rolling blackouts. Thus, China has already won in the “Which country is first” contest.

              I don’t think the entire grid goes down, in any case. Some parts will stay up. People may have electricity a few hours per day, for example.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            What we need is a bio series on Cinda… focusing on what she did before she was PM….

            Apparently her only ‘real’ job… was working as a third rate DJ… in clubs….snorting blow and popping pills…

            John Key is not unaware of this path to power and as such … has his son following JA’s lead
            https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3649855/Max-Key-son-New-Zealand-prime-minister-John-Key-drops-new-track-forges-career-DJ.html

            Shall we check to see how many rugby players have flown into roid rage overnight and beaten people to death — further disgracing themselves rogering filthy skanks in disabled toilets — then been made captain of the national team hahahahaha…

      • Xabier says:

        The Medical Industrial Complex likes clever researchers, and well-trained drudges for hospital work; but it has no need for critical thinkers able to see the wider picture and reason objectively.

        Still less has it any desire for independent-minded people with integrity who can challenge the professional hierarchy and the huge financial interests that pull the strings.

        This was made clear to me when I mixed mostly with (top class) medics as a student.

        The most impressive student I knew had a background as an army officer (he’d gone in at 16 and left) in the Marines and Paras, which gave him much wider views. His ideas were viewed with complete incomprehension: ‘trained’ minds could not grasp the premises which differed from what they had been taught.

        A top-flight surgeon friend labels most medics as ‘good-enoughs’, just plodding along in the system and dreaming of early retirement and pensions.

        These are the nobodies helping to sustain this fraud.

        These people will never rock the boat! People who raise questions with doctors, assuming that they will be well-informed, incisive thinkers to be trusted, people of integrity, are deluded.

        • Hubbs says:

          And that is why my feelings are “cherchez les paychecks and pensions.” As long as vast numbers of people cling to the promise of both, and the money still buys goods and services, albeit it at decreasing amounts, things will continue. Government workers, miltary, teachers, public service, unions, MIC, bankers, hedge fund managers etc. And on top of that, over 50% of people here in US are on some government entitlement or transfer. Most just hink we can click and type at our keyboards for a living.
          Who in hell is doing the actual work? Farmers, truckers, sanitation workers, oil rig roughnecks, miners, manufacturers What percentage of the poulation do they representt?

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Fossil fuels do all the work… doesn’t much matter what anyone does as long as there is enough cheap energy to support their activities

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Confirms my assertion that most of these highly trained individuals are basically circus animals… the rest are run of the mill barnyard animals.

      • Ed says:

        Hill you have nailed it. It goes to sow how shallow peoples thinking is.

    • hillcountry says:

      FROM THE COMMENT SECTION:

      Mara, I am a health care practitioner in Australia and I can attest to that. I know of at least two doctors who have had their licenses suspended or revoked. In one case, “health regulators” marched into the doctor’s office and took patient fikes—no subpoena or warrant. Doctors are fearing for their livelihood and succumbing to the jabs.

      By Dec.1; every practitioner in the state that I am in—Western Australia—has to be double jabbed. Imagine that, in a state where there is NO COVID CASES. I repeat, NO COVID CASES. I am continuing to practice on a technicality for which I sought legal advice. I will not be jabbed.

      This is what Communist regimes do with their megalomaniac leaders.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        No one is of course conspiring here… there is no hidden hand issuing these threats to doctors across the globe… telling them that they should not ever suggest the injections have caused injuries or death.

        Did I mention that a mate’s brother in law – who is a huge pro vaxxer — told him he has had shooting pains in his heart since the day of jab 2 — then was diagnosed later with a strained pectoral muscle.

        Did I mention M Fast’s friend who has had similar pain in her heart and was told it was ‘anxiety’

        Did I mention a former neighbour who is in perfect health — and now has serious heart problems post jab… she was told it was a ‘pre-existing condition’

        Doctors get paid well – they are respected — easy to see why they would not speak out — they have a lot to lose — and speaking out will not change the situation

        • CTG says:

          Since young, I have very low regards for doctors.

          • jj says:

            Generalizations about cops, doctors and lawyers fail as all absolutism does. They are all human. Some are decent some not. The education process and the job itself does lead to certain traits and not all of them are desirable.

            I enjoyed sparring with my doctor about what choices i make for my own health. She valued that a informed patent had manifested out of the universe while finding it very irritating that i would question. I miss our interaction. Its a shame that I can not in good conscious participate in the medical system now.

            She of course always padded the bill with a bunch of unnecessary tests. Thats how you survive as a doctor nowadays.

        • Another case, first hand account as accompanying future mutant individual, at “respected” doctor’s place, the waiting room is even furnished with a poster recommending regular take of VitD (was there prior ~2019 already), on the direct question what to do with possible after jab issues-effects, the response: “..oh don’t sweat it, that’s not a serious threat, and if necessary just take such and such (ordinary) headache pills for few days..”

          These guys are mostly entrenched in their quasi status niveau, trying hard to fit within serious upper middle class, which they are effectively not (with the exception perhaps of few star surgeons), hence pulling mortgages, car payments, frivolous spending habits etc..

          • Xabier says:

            All the more so if their parents steered them towards medicine for reasons of status and income.

            To mention my consultant friend again, he said the worst candidate they ever had for a senior post was a Nigerian surgeon, fully trained in Germany, whose only real interest was clearly salary and power. His CV looked immaculate.

            The panel of Indian, Paki and Iranian interviewers had to spin the interviews out, even though they had made up their minds about him from the first few words, lest he accuse them of….wait for it….’racism’! Itself a comment on life in modern ‘Britain’.

            I bet there are many in the system like him.

            And everyone is deeply in debt to support their lifestyle and pretensions, avoid divorce, pay school fees, etc.

        • Hubbs says:

          I can attest from personal experience that a LOT of doctors are NOT nice people, right behind lawyers. Even my former renter, a combined DDS MD is nothing but a con artist, had his DDS license revoked by the dental board, has now violated his 2019 NC Medical Board suspension consent order. He arrived in my town to work at another oral surgeon’s office- while that oral surgeon was in prison for Medicare fraud- until his release, at which time he didn’t need my renter any more. All of this when I had hoped I had seen the end of everything that had happened to me when I wrote my memoirs : “My Medical-Legal Back Pages” three years ago ( a long depressing book- awful say my friends) Nope. And I can tell you, the worst doctors, the most righteous serve on state medical boards. At least the ones I have dealt with in KY and then NC. The extortion is real.

          https://portal.ncmedboard.org/Verification/viewer.aspx?ID=113346

          https://www.ncbdedocs.org/Search/Index/107202

  15. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    Bunch of whining crybabies here posting ..Oh my, they are trying to kill us all…poor me!!
    Come on now…look at this about folks in ancient times that on average lived only 20 to 40 years of they past early childhood!!
    Bunch of spoiled brats…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mHD8R1Dr8-A

    Gail is right, contamination of water, child birth, lack of food, ect coming back to get us all
    Not some Spike serum…Count your lucky stars that’s all you have to be afraid of.?.whaaaaa

    • Xabier says:

      ‘Hello typhus, my old friend…..’

      I do however, object somewhat to being secretly murdered/ openly enslaved by my fellow human beings.

      Bugs and microbes, it’s just natural and nothing personal……

      • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

        Hmmm…so you’ll feel better about it all if it’s impersonal????
        Let me tell you, Smartie, it’s all personal you are alive now with BAU that the same folks pushing this serium🤔 makes possible. If they choose they could pull the plug overnight to cut you and FE crowd without even a blink of an eye!
        My favorite movie scene is from Margin Call with Jeremy Irons and a host of other talented cast.

        Here’s a scene for you all

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2f2kGHcdJYU

        Nothing you did…just at the wrong place at the wrong time…
        People want the world to be “Fair”… 😃 Sure thing Pal…without Will Emerson and his group you all will see what “Fair” really is!!!

    • I1 says:

      A bit repetitive, if not long winded, sort of a foil against the MSM

      https://www.bitchute.com/video/rNFBQyULUSXX/

  16. Fast Eddy says:

    a wise man once said

    “… in order to fit in with the governmental views and be able to get around more easily than the unvaccinated.”

    hahahahahaha….

  17. hillcountry says:

    Darby Shaw has a project (request for eyes-on) at her substack page

    https://tinyurl.com/h8t83cm4

    Dead Children. No Explanation.
    Is this the new normal?

  18. Sam says:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

    This is a story that can’t get reprinted enough! I want to make sure it’s out there enough before the minders start making it disappear… I notice the attacks from family and friends are starting to pick up. They must be receiving their programming to seek and destroy! Cannot debate with them

    • Sam says:

      There needs to be studies on how long someone was sick with Covid and what symptoms … then there needs to be a study on these people on how long they are immune. My guess is the people that have had it longer and more severe hove a stronger immune response to variants than the vaccine etc

      https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/benefit-sars-cov-2-natural-immunity-armed-forces

      • Lidia17 says:

        Go back to the Diamond Princess: that scenario would indicate that a large majority of people were already immune.

        • Xabier says:

          Dr Yeadon estimates that about 35% would have had immunity from the word go, and many more sufficiently robust immune systems to recover.

          The Diamond Princess data got buried after they had used it to scare us with the high infection rate.

    • hillcountry says:

      Thanks Sam – that’s good one. No attacks here yet, but I’m not reaching-out any more. What a parallel that “seek and destroy”; like those resisting the new paradigm are spike-proteins. We have undoubtedly irritated the body-politic; seeking entry into cells, crossing the blood-brain barrier, inflaming the circulatory system, clogging-up the pulmonary apparatus, attempting to change the system’s DNA.

  19. Indoor humidity may be a key to why viruses of all kinds, including colds, influenza, and COVID spread more in winter than summer, especially in cold climates. When the indoor heat is on, the air dries out, especially if it is quite cold outside. Mucus membranes need humid air, or they become more vulnerable to viruses. This is a link to an article pointing out this issue. The author even raises the issue whether adding ventilation when it is cold out might be counter productive for stopping the spread of viruses, if it lowers the humidity further.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1462398428584058888.html

    What happened on Oct. 10-13 in Central Europe that so many people began to become ill?

    • hillcountry says:

      thanks Gail – great find and good reminder, it’s getting dry in our apartment, time to setup the humidifiers.

      We use a couple of Vornado Evap40 4-Gallon Evaporative Humidifiers. Maintenance is minimal but hard-water crusts-up the evaporation-wicks. I soak them in vinegar a few times before replacing.

    • Student says:

      When we stay in our apartment, heated with traditional radiators, it is necessary to use a humidifier, a product something like this:

      https://www.ardes.it/prodotto/ar820-paco-umidificatore-a-vapore-caldo/

      It was a suggestion by our old family Doctor who unfortunately retired some years ago.

      In case of cough or cold he also used to suggest this solution (but many others are surely available) to dissolve in a pot of a boiling water and to inhale for 10 minutes over the pot, 3 times a day.
      It’s a method working everytime, it completely clears your lungs and nose in 3-5 days, depending on severity.

      http://www.labdeca.com/prodotti/sedo-calcio/

      Last thing that he always used to say (about flu, cold etc.) was that people stop using scarves, hats and wool underwear in winter when antibiotics became widespread, because people stopped having fear of bronchitis and started thinking to be immortal.
      But, according to him, antibiotics were the last solution.
      He was the classical family Doctor and we miss him so much.

    • Good point, thanks.
      It’s easy to follow humidity section inside a weather forecast to somehow combine cold weather humidity daily/weekly fluctuations and need to exchange air in the room at the given proper time slot..

    • Kowalainen says:

      You can add a few drops of disinfectant to the humidifier. Perhaps a bit PVP-I so that it gets a slightly yellowish tint. A large tank capacity is helpful.

      They go hand in hand with a large capacity air purifier.

      • Student says:

        Surely not. Just pure clean water in the humidifier if one wants to add humidity inside home.
        Actually breathing a disinfectant I think it is highly dangerous, but for sure I dont’ suggest so and either my good old Doctor wouldn’t do it.
        It is different about the boiling pot of water where one needs to add a medicine, because the purpouse is to be a medical treatment (but if someone has never do it, it is better to ask a Doctor expecially about what kind of medicine).
        I hope it’s clear the difference between the two.

        • Kowalainen says:

          Well, you can stick PVP-I in your nostrils and gargle in it as well. I’m not sure it is that toxic if you add a tablespoon of it in a 4 liter container.

          I’m not sure I trust the doc anymore these days.

        • Ed says:

          The state of New York encourages business to spray hydrogen peroxide into the air handling system to protect us from covid. I do not smoke and I will not expose my delicate lung tissue to highly reactive hydrogen peroxide.

    • Xabier says:

      Asthmatics tend to get sudden attacks from walking into a hot, dry, room (and also when the air gets too cold and damp).

      Cold dry air is usually no problem for them.

      Lots of ill health in Western Europe in this season is really no surprise, is it?

  20. machival66 says:

    I like this website very much. Not only for Gail Tverberg’s posts and commentaries but also for other commenters.

    Back in 2007-2008 it looked like Peak oil outhors would finally be vindicated and that the predicted collapse was coming. Yet instead of that, more BAU. Peak oil communities deserted and authors ashamed and lost all credibility. That’s the problem with making very strict prophecies and predictions and stating them as facts.

    We now find ourselves in 2021-2022 and same story has gotten traction.
    I think few people desire total societal collapse more than I do, however there is such a thing as “whishful thinking”. As much as I want Peak oil/peak energy to be true, my observation is that BAU seems to be safe at least a decade.

    It’s hard to stay hopeful for a collapse when the system is so extremely resilient to it. Sometimes it looks as if world can go on for at least 50 yeats in the same way. The rich just print more money and throw money at the challanges. Technology always improves. Just as Hubbert turned out to be wrong, just as Richard Duncan was wrong, and all peak oil authors Richard Heinberg, Mike Ruppert, Collin Campbell, that guy Kunstler to name a few – all utterly wrong on everything.

    Now my only hopes lie with Bill & co. If they do a good job with the death jabs, maybe BAU will fonally end. The world sucks, and 80-90% of people are useless morons like in the movie Idiocracy.
    Anything that deals with this problem has my support. Hopefully 2022 comes with mandatory death jabs for everybody and some new deadly mutation.

    • postkey says:

      ‘We’ have 16 years?

      ‘Global peak oil production may have already happened in October of 2018 (https://energyskeptic.com/2020/will-covid-19-delay-peak-oil/ Table 1). It is likely the decline rate will be 6%, increasing exponentially by +0.015% a year (see post “Giant oil field decline rates and peak oil”). So, after 16 years remaining oil production will be just 10% of what it was at the peak.’
      http://energyskeptic.com/2020/climate-change-dominates-news-coverage-at-expense-of-more-important-existential-issues/

      Or,
      ‘We’ have ten years?
      “ . . . our best estimate is that the net energy
      33:33 per barrel available for the global
      33:36 economy was about eight percent
      33:38 and that in over the next few years it
      33:42 will go down to zero percent
      33:44 uh best estimate at the moment is that
      33:46 actually the
      33:47 per average barrel of sweet crude
      33:51 uh we had the zero percent around 2022
      33:56 but there are ways and means of
      33:58 extending that so to be on the safe side
      34:00 here on our diagram
      34:02 we say that zero percent is definitely
      34:05 around 2030 . . .
      we
      34:43 need net energy from oil and [if] it goes
      34:46 down to zero
      34:48 uh well we have collapsed not just
      34:50 collapse of the oil industry
      34:52 we have collapsed globally of the global
      34:54 industrial civilization this is what we
      34:56 are looking at at the moment . . . “

      • D. Stevens says:

        There’s a follow up video with this guy talking about his nGeni Green Box. A great comment attached which I’ll share:

        The thing that really boggles the mind is that in the previous video Dr. Arnoux demonstrates that he has the knowledge and understanding to know that this green box doesn’t solve anything. So either he is a flat out charlatan scammer or the cognitive dissonances this guy has are so large that its the true wonder of this video.

        Just in case that anybody has doubts:
        This device, if it works, is supposed to convert the energy contained in a high temperature gas (1000 -1400°C ) into various usable forms of energy. Supposedly it can provide many forms of energy (all very efficiently) that we need,. I.e. heating, cooling, electricity, motion. all in one wonderbox. Oh also it does Carbon capture (and probably matter-annihilation to get rid of all the carbon in lieu of a storage place). Okay that doesn’t seem likely but hey whatever…

        The problem remains that you have to put that heat energy in. In the diagram you can see the arrows in being either Solar or Biomass or Fossil fuels. And here is the problem. A 1000°C hot gas contains a lot of energy that still needs to come from somewhere. And if you look at the EROEI’s of all the inputs you will find they are already low to start with. Biomass is only above one under very limited conditions, ( Plus I invite you to do a back of envelope calculation of how much energy the global economy currently uses and to how much biomass that equates. Make giant simplifications and utopian assumptions and you’ll still arrive at units in the range of X amazon forests per year…) Solar EROEI is between 10 -20.. Fossil Oil is probably below 10 by now. Okay you could run those devices on coal (EROEI > 40) or gas (EROEI maybe above 20). But then you have to keep expanding the fossil fuel industry with all its “benefits” until the end of time so you really don’t do anything about climate change, because if you think every house that needs heat is going to do carbon capture well, you might as well power your economy with unicorn farts. And those EROEI’s are before it even enters the magic box system. Now it might be good at energy conversion but the 2nd law of thermodynamics still applies. Especially if you want to draw any power in the order of what we are used to in our modern world. So EROEI at point of use will be about halved again… You don’t build a complex industrial society on an EROEI of 5 or less.

        The wealth we produce is based on the destruction of the natural world. As we are part of that world this behavior is self destructive. The answer to this problem is easy. Drastically reduce the physical wealth and convenience we have become accustomed to or die. Maybe a bit of both since we are wasting so much time with crapolla like this.

    • CTG says:

      If you have read my comments in earlier articles… the main reason we are not collapsing is because they changed the rules and tricks the system. Mark to model instead of mark to market and many many more things including compliant media. If not for this trickery, we would have collapsed. Question I-it has been 14 years since 2007 when all these tricks were turbocharged. We lived on borrowed time since 2007. It is very clear to those who can see that “this is are steadily getting worse”.

      This whole BAU can only last for 50 years IF things do not deteriorate but right now, it is deteriorating very fast. Perhaps you are rich and you dont see collapse in your world. However, the other side like Sri Lanka is on the verge of collapse.

      Rewind back to 1950z.. although life is tougher but simpler. I doubt we have so many countries that are collapsing. If this blog appears in 1970s -1980s, personally I would believe it can go on along time because we still have oil and consumption is not that high and we still have rule of law. Anarchy or lawlessness or no rule of law and moral decay are signs of collapse. Refer to the last days of Roman Empire.

      • Minority of One says:

        “Just as Hubbert turned out to be wrong, just as Richard Duncan was wrong, and all peak oil authors Richard Heinberg, Mike Ruppert, Collin Campbell, that guy Kunstler to name a few – all utterly wrong on everything.”

        They may have got their timing slightly wrong, that is about it.

        I don’t think Colin Campbell ever gave a date for collapse. Indeed, I don’t think he said collapse was imminent. He said conventional global oil production would peak then it would be a seesaw fall in the economy. Oil prices go way up, the economy declines, oil prices fall, the economy partially recovers. If you look at oil prices versus the economy, that is pretty much what has occurred since 2008.

        Because the current economic system is based on fractional reserve banking, and the global debt levels are eye-wateringly high, the system is primed for a domino-effect financial collapse that could occur overnight. The plunge protection wizards with the their bag of magic tricks have so far prevented this, but you have to wonder how long this can go on.

  21. Ed says:

    We try to track the human hand in this unfolding pain. But as John Astor knew in 1895 this is nature’s choice. With that view in mind Jackson Browne’s Before the Deluge.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqacrSa4jmA

  22. Fast Eddy says:

    If it were not for the two teens with us .. we’d get on a flight before we cannot .. to a place as far away as Australia as possible (NZ is likely to follow their lead)…. perhaps Texas…

    • Ed says:

      Texas and Mexico are both good choices.

      • Duncan Idaho says:

        Mexico, for sure.
        Texas?
        Please, no comedy is needed—-
        I moved from Mexico back to The States a few years ago.
        Wife wants to go back.

        • Ed says:

          Duncan, which parts of Mexico would you recommend? Orlov also recommends Mexico.

        • hillcountry says:

          I was going to suggest Chicago to satisfy FE’s urge to “watch”. Don’t get me wrong, I definitely understand the need for a certain kind of humor in troubled times; the jokes were wide and deep living in and around Detroit since the 50’s. New Zealand’s heaven-on-earth in comparison. Most likely compared to Texas as well. Depends what one wants. The last thing would be jail in Texas. That’d change one’s perceptions about where they were in about 5-minutes; just like a stroll-too-far from the River Walk in San Antonio. Jackals are still fighting the Battle of the Alamo down there.

          On to Chicago. I’m pretty sure HeyJackAss.com is the real deal with the shot-and-murdered numbers because Second City Cop bloggers would reference it all the time and they were the ones on the streets right in the midst of it. (behind a paywall now last I looked)

          Year to date Chicago: 4,155 people shot and 773 homicides.

          They even have a Shot Clock over there. Presently its at 1:53 hours for “shot” and 10:06 hours for “murders”.

          I was doing some number-crunching earlier comparing these to what the equivalent in Gaza would be. I used to do that a long time ago because Gaza is within a few square-miles of Detroit’s area, so it made for an interesting contrast. Not that I could get good numbers for Gaza or Detroit for that matter. Those times when it was really going down in Detroit at best you had to guess. It reminds me of that guy who blogged about what life was like during the civil-war in Sri Lanka. You just live through it, but it still is just too strange that Chicago’s numbers are almost like they’re subconscious; smothered in other news. This energy-driven breakdown we all talk about has been on-going imho for a very long time I think. My hypothesis is that it just got misrepresented by all kinds of derivative-effects that were results, not purported causes. Nobody could “see” it. The elephant was just too big and the blind-men too numerous.

          Maybe it’s just a coincidence but Detroit, as an organism, consumed a ton of energy-per-capita at its peak and then started its big decline right around the time of peak oil-discovery in the 70’s. I took a bus-route to downtown in the 60’s and 70’s and there were some dicey moments, but these neighborhoods today still look like war-zones, long after the war ended. The city has expended some energy in bulldozing who knows how many abandoned houses but it was shamed into doing so. Gail is so right to focus on wages. One sees it clearly in home maintenance. If you’ve ever seen “blight” five-miles in all directions, you’ll know what I mean. Insidious at first, then contagious, then metastasizing, then exhausted and ugly.

          I don’t have a good handle on how or why Chicago is behind Detroit in terms of collapse. It’s more diversified and seemingly more necessary financially to someone(s), what with the CBOT and such, so it maybe it got subsidized in some way, forestalling the widespread decay. But now, everyone knows Chicago is bankrupt, as is Illinois. It’s a microcosm of the ill-advised papering-over of things. No idea of why a cop or anybody else would bank on a pension from that entity.

    • Rodster says:

      Florida is a great place.

  23. Fast Eddy says:

    After watching that… do we have any liberal anti-gun folks…. changing their views on the NRA?

  24. Kurt says:

    Just way too much typing here. BAU tonight. In the core. Safe, warm, cheap energy. Lamb shank for dinner with roasted potatoes. A nice red wine. The lights on all three floors of the mansion will burn all night. What were you saying? Really? Collapse? So confusing. Back to the lamb shank.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      this constant posting during fine bAU dinners is quite disturrbing.

      FYI the Core should always be a capital C.

      I enjoy the subtle schadenfreude where you gloatt about excess consumption while so many in the Periphery are falling into dire destitution.

      don’t you know that life is not fair?

      pre-collapse in the Periphery tonight, and closing in on the Core, and real soon, at least in the next decade or two.

  25. Mike Roberts says:

    It’s good that someone has done a more thorough analysis than Alex Berenson. “Looks like” and “suggesting” are of interest but hardly conclusive. However, if the vaccine has no real-world effect then there is no harm in getting vaccinated in order to fit in with the governmental views and be able to get around more easily than the unvaccinated.

    • Lidia17 says:

      No ‘real world effect’ except extraordinary vaginal bleeding, neurological disorders, fertility issues, miscarriages, stillbirths, myocarditis and percarditis, stroke, anaphylaxis, DEATH, etc. ADMITTED BY THE MFR. and the FDA.

      Move along, nothin’ to see here:
      https://www.nationandstate.com/2020/12/11/fda-lists-22-potential-adverse-effects-of-new-covid-19-vaccine-and-its-not-looking-good/

      Mike, you are a real gem.
      You inspire me to abandon atheism and embrace a religion just for the opportunity to hope in divine justice.

      • Azure Kingfisher says:

        Additionally, like many foolish supporters of the “vaccines,” Mike fails to grasp his own responsibility in shaping the society in which he lives:

        “…there is no harm in getting vaccinated in order to fit in with the governmental views and be able to get around more easily than the unvaccinated.“

        Fit in with the governmental views?

        That’s funny and an absolutely dangerous suggestion, too.

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          “…there is no harm in getting vaccinated in order to fit in with the governmental views and be able to get around more easily than the unvaccinated.“

          oops.

          I think someone has just exposed their true colours here.

          obey your overlords, be a good comrade.

          that above quote sure sounds like it has come from a psyop source.

          • Mike Roberts says:

            Out of context comment.

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              I doubt it.

              I think you let your mask slip and revealed your big gov BigPharma true colours.

              you are or are not a paid/volunteer psyop for them.

              either way, you are speaking for the overlords.

              obey!

            • Tim Groves says:

              Many of us suspected you were earning shillings on your comments, Mike. But thanks for providing confirmation.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              the word mike is now synonymous with disgrace… mike is the Charles Ponzi of disgrace and humiliation

          • Fast Eddy says:

            “…there is no harm in getting vaccinated in order to fit in with the governmental views and be able to get around more easily than the unvaccinated.“

            hahahahahaha…. did someone actually post that comment on OFW???? hahahahahaha..

            Are you sure there wasn’t a sarc tag with it????

            What fool would admit such a thing on OFW??? Who could it be??? hahahaha

            That goes into the Hall of Shame of OFW…

            Left one thing out … in order to get a free donut… hahahaha…

        • Mike Roberts says:

          My comment was out of context, see above.

          • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

            oops, the mask has slipped.

            oh, let’s try the out of context, misquoted, misinterpreted, misdirected appeal.

            let’s see if that will be enough to get them to forget that the mask slipped.

            follow the directives, comrades!

            obey!

            • Mike Roberts says:

              Think about it, David.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              if anyone can identify the author of this they will receive.. a free donut hahahahaha

              “… in order to fit in with the governmental views and be able to get around more easily than the unvaccinated.”

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              I think you blew your cover and now you are doubling down tripling down etc etc.

              I’m going to sleep now for a lot of hours, but by all means please continue with your evasion, distraction, double speak.

              you wrote what you wrote.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              mike never should have hit Enter. he is officially ruined… he has painted a huge M on his forehead

              It was just a matter of time…. and now the time has arrived….

              And there is no way for us to unsee what he posted… we saw it mike… we saw it…

              hahahahaha… it was a rather average day until This!!!

        • Fast Eddy says:

          be able to get around more easily than the unvaccinated…

          hahaha… yep .. mike injects himself 3x with an experimental substance that has killed and maimed more people than ALL vaccinations in the history of vaccinations … so he can get around…

          hahahahaha…

          Damn that’s a good one!!! (slapping M Fast on the ass)… what do you think of that honey bun???

          Well ya Fast that’s real funny that one…. who’s this mike character… he’s real real funny….

      • Mike Roberts says:

        My comment was place out-of-thread. That’s annoying as you don’t see the context. It was a reply to this comment by Gail who was responding to a more detailed study of that supposedly eye-popping headline about all cause deaths in England.

        BTW, your list is from a draft list of possible effects of all vaccines. It’s not a definitive list of effects to expect from either a particular vaccine or all vaccines combined. I’m not saying there are no adverse effects, or that there is no real-world effect of vaccines. Read the thread for context.

        [Gail, do you know why comments sometimes appear out-of-thread and so without context?]

      • Fast Eddy says:

        mike has humiliated himself… hahahaha

    • machival66 says:

      Only a person with double digit iq can believe that the death jab has no real world effects since so many r-tards who willingky took it are dead from it already.

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        M may not be a gov or BigPharma operative, but he sure sounds like one here.

        obey!

        consent!

        follow mandates!

        trust your overlords in everything!

        • Halfvard says:

          The part that baffles me is that someone that is so credulous about Big Pharma and Gov’t propaganda would have found and followed a site like that that goes again the Dominant Narrative quite strongly.

          But then there’s also a strong element of denial that the jab could be negative after one has already committed to taking it. Many people would prefer to be wrong as long as they don’t need to ADMIT how wrong they were, especially when it’s such an important issue to one’s own health and survival.

      • Mike Roberts says:

        I don’t believe that. My comment was posted out of context.

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          okay, you can claim that.

          but your words above are plain as day.

          you sure are going overboard with your dennial/disclaimers tonight.

          me thinketh you doth protest too much.

          I wonder why?

          • Fast Eddy says:

            I don’t believe that. My comment was posted out of context.

            hahahahaha… maybe mike could plead temporary insanity? or maybe mike had been drinking heavily … or someone had a gun to mike’s head and said – type this and hit enter or I’ll blow you away….

            Alas mike lost his opportunity to claim any of the above …. he’s been ‘quoted out of context’

            hahahaha…

            Hey mike … are you claiming Mother Gail cherry picked your statement removing the context?

            What are you claiming mike? We all know how to read… and we know what we have read…

            We have a copy of it …. hahahahahahahaha…

            We have you now mike… stop fighting and let us finish reeling you in … the BBQ is heating up….

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Nobody will ever know mike because nobody reads your trash… but only a sub MOREON would inject this stuff knowing the number of deaths and injuries — and knowing it does not stop you from getting or dying from covid.

          Sub as in Sub Zero MOREON

      • Fast Eddy says:

        mikes hovering around room temperature on a good day

    • Mike Roberts says:

      The reaction to this out-of-thread comment is illustrative of the lack of critical thought of some commenters. For a start, it is clearly referring to something written elsewhere but a few readers tried to make stand-alone sense of it (without perhaps searching for the quoted pieces in it to find the thread – it’s on an older page now), in the context of them believing something about me and then seeing a chance to attack me for something I didn’t write. Note that I wrote “if the vaccine has no real world effects”, so it is using some hypothetical situation (as given in the thread context) and then positing that in that situation there would be no harm in being vaccinated and there may even be social benefits. None of the attacking replies seemed to pick up the actual meaning of the words.

      • Azure Kingfisher says:

        You’re a slippery one, Mike; evasive and lacking in conviction.

        My criticism still stands, whether your suggestion was in response to a hypothetical situation or not.

        • Mike Roberts says:

          Except that your criticism was of some made up story of yours – neatly clipped context-free quotes to tell a different story. Do you really imagine that such a tactic is intended to influence anyone other than those who employ the same tactics?

          • Fast Eddy says:

            mike is taking the experimental injection because donkey face recommends it and he ‘wants to get around a bit’

            mike is risking his life cuz he wants to go to the pie shop and eat a pie…. hahahahahaha

            mike…. wants to… ‘get around’

            Dedicated to mike… wise mike

            https://youtu.be/KnPL5OXSBNE

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        “… in order to fit in with the governmental views and be able to get around more easily than the unvaccinated.”

        I think your words mean exactly what you wrote.

        ve vill allow you some limited freedom!

        follow the dictates, comrades!

        obey!

        • Mike Roberts says:

          My words did mean exactly what they mean. Your context-free cherry picking is not what I wrote or meant.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            hahaha… the thing is we cannot unsee those words…

            Maybe you can claim temporary insanity?

          • Fast Eddy says:

            But you wrote the words mike.. and they mean what they mean…

            You are an eternal disgrace…. we will remind you of what you wrote… till the End of Days…

            No more deleting… instead it will be ya but.. remember when you said this?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Too long. Delete….

    • Jarle says:

      “However, if the vaccine has no real-world effect then there is no harm in getting vaccinated in order to fit in with the governmental views and be able to get around more easily than the unvaccinated.”

      Good grief …

    • geno mir says:

      You can also get hooked on fentanyl so that you can be able to greatly increase your status of untouchable to the law and governing agencies. You will also get all kinds of free shit like free needles and syringies, free and safe places to lay around and will be super fit in the government viewes of compliant citizen and the only place you won’t be able to get is camping on the pavement in front of a bank/corpo office/law firm. You will also have great social benefits and perks like free shopping in big stores if you don’t shop above 300 dollars. You should be insane to pass on such a great oppurtinity! Hurry up, subscribe now!

      • Fast Eddy says:

        And I hear that Fentanyl can numb painful memories… it just blots them out … it’s as if they never happened….

        There’s your answer mike… you can make today .. disappear

  26. Mirror on the wall says:

    This lengthy doctoral paper looks interesting, as it goes into how the geopolitical strategies of both the British Empire and the nascent German Empire were shaped through the emergence of oil as a key energy source, and how the failure of both of them to obtain independent oil resources led to the decline of Western European powers, to the rise to global hegemony of USA, USSR and to a very different post-war geopolitical order. The 20th c. was essentially an ‘inter-imperialist’ struggle to secure oil, and everything else was ‘secondary’ to that. On that reading, oil and the pursuit of it, was pivotal in the course of 20th c. history, to the decline of the old dominant power, and to which powers rose as the new.

    https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/bitstream/handle/10822/557628/Toprani_georgetown_0076D_11993.pdf

    OIL AND GRAND STRATEGY: GREAT BRITAIN AND GERMANY, 1918-1941

    Anand Toprani, M.Phil.
    Thesis Advisor: Professor David S. Painter, Ph.D.

    Abstract

    This study examines how oil shaped grand strategy in Great Britain and Germany between 1918 and 1941. The history of oil in the twentieth century is a chapter in the story of European decline. The emergence of oil accelerated Britain and Germany’s decline as great powers capable of independently exerting their economic and military power. Having fought the First World War largely with oil from the United States, Britain was determined to avoid basing its energy security upon the goodwill of another great power. After 1918, London undertook a policy of developing alternative sources of oil under British control. In the future, Britain’s key supplier would be the Middle East, already a region of vital importance to the British Empire. This quest for energy independence from the United States was a failure. The empire was bereft of oil, while Italian hostility threatened British transit through the Mediterranean. A shortage of tankers also forced Britain to import oil from U.S.-controlled sources in the Western Hemisphere, which depleted Britain’s reserves of foreign exchange.

    Germany could not import oil from overseas in wartime due to the threat of blockade, while accumulating large stockpiles was impossible because of its shortage of foreign exchange. The Third Reich based its oil supply on petroleum synthesized from coal, limited domestic crude oil production, and imports from Romania. By 1939, Berlin was confident that Germany had enough oil to fight a war first against the Allies and then the Soviet Union. Victory would allow the Third Reich to occupy the oilfields of the Caucasus and the Middle East, thereby creating the economic foundations for Germany to become a world power. This plan began to falter after the defeat of France, when Germany found itself responsible for meeting Europe’s energy requirements while still at war with Britain. An escalating oil crisis in Axis Europe, a lack of strategic alternatives, and the imperatives of National Socialist ideology, all compelled the Third Reich to invade the Soviet Union in June 1941 to seize enough resources to fight Britain and eventually the United States before the balance of power turned against Germany.

    • This sounds about right. Having oil has been terribly important. In fact, having inexpensive to extract oil has been terribly important. Expensive to extract oil is close to worthless, however, because it becomes impossible to keep the price high enough.

      The Middle East could never do a whole lot with its oil because it has such a terrible climate that it could never build much of an economy around it. It couldn’t produce its own food, for example.

    • hillcountry says:

      Thanks. I might just dive into that. It’s long but that’s what it takes sometimes.

      I just ran across something I read many years ago and it is tangentially related in that Britain had some interesting roots planted in the Arabian Peninsula back to the 1700’s.

      The author of the linked article:

      Late Dr. Abdullah Mohammad Sindi is a Saudi-American who passed away a few years ago in Orange County, California, USA. He was a professor of International Relations. He did his BA and MA at California State University, Sacramento, and his Ph.D. at the University of Southern California. He was a professor at King Abdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. He also taught at different American universities and colleges including the University of California at Irvine, Cal Poly Pomona, Cerritos College, and Fullerton College. He is the author of many articles both in Arabic and English. His book, The Arabs and the West: The Contributions and the Inflictions, is sold on Amazon.com.

      Britain, the Rise of Wahhabism and the House of Saud
      Dr. Abdullah Mohammad Sindi

      https://kanaanonline.org/en/2015/01/20/britain-the-rise-of-wahhabism-and-the-house-of-saud/#:~:text=Although%20Ibn%20Abdul-Wahhab%20is%20considered%20to%20be%20the,to%20destroy%20Islam%20and%20the%20Muslim%20Ottoman%20Empire.

    • Yes, that’s why they are now so preoccupied with the following three general topics
      (each more nuanced obviously):

      – the space as in various orbit layers needed for comm sats and weapons
      – the ~small scale (modular) fusion reactors – already modeled on AI/CADs as doable project
      – the attempted depop and interaction with the remaining natural world diversity

      These are the crucial 3x domains everything is circling around and derived from, as you noticed money-credit-debt is not there, mere tool in these top games..

    • Halfvard says:

      If you like the information in that paper, I would heavily recommend the book Oil, Power, and War by Matthieu Auzanneau. I read it a few years and and it heavily details oil’s connections to all of these processes, as well as to things like the death of JFK and other things many people may not realize are related.

  27. Fast Eddy says:

    The censorship from email providers looks to be worsening
    Alex Berenson 2 hr ago

    I have heard from multiple people now that Comcast is sending Unreported Truths emails to spam no matter how many times users mark them otherwise.

    And this just came in.

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-censorship-from-email-providers/comments

    Hmmm… I wonder who is behind this … and why would they be trying to prevent the truth from getting out? Meanwhile … babies will be eligible for the absolutely safe injection in early 2022!!!

    hahahaha… and there are MOREONS on this site who can’t wait for their fourth.

    And they are trying to tell us that we can ‘learn from them’… hahahaha…. nothing can be learned from a MOREON

    • Fast Eddy says:

      A tiny bit of positive news…

      The employer of our one teen who is on a work visa… has indicated they will allow him to burn up his annual leave when the Totalitarian State commences on Dec 3… then will place him on unpaid leave indefinitely…

      This will allow him to maintain the two year work visa that is processing now… and will allow him to qualify for residency under a new program that was announced recently.

      So… he gets to die in NZ instead of the Philippines. Of course he has not the slightest idea of what awaits all of us…. only FE is aware of the CEP here at the ranch…

      Splendid news – dontcha think?

    • machival66 says:

      It’s their fault for using mainstream email services in 2021. There are alternatives for everything. Dumb people like to use gmail, yahoo etc and then complain. They need to get a grip. All mainstream stuff needs to be deserted or used for very particular purposes.

      • T.Y. says:

        I switched to protonmail and duckduckgo, but not sure how much i really trust them. Not even sure how much it matters, At the end of the day most internet traffic is channeled through just a few hubs. I doubt that’ is an accident. Fully agree on sentiment that it’s not a good idea to have Faith in big tech.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I recently changed my default to Duckgo… Google was forcing me to prove I was not mike … a robot … on many searches… + google is blocking a lot of content that Duckgo does not …

          For the most part Duck go is fine… google can kiss my ass

  28. Fast Eddy says:

    If you like heart problems, you’ll love the Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines

    So says a report on almost 600 patients presented last week at the American Heart Association’s annual conference

    Bad news about the dangers that mRNA vaccines may pose to the heart and blood vessels keeps coming.

    A new study of 566 patients who received either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines shows that signs of cardiovascular damage soared following the shots. The risk of heart attacks or other severe coronary problems more than doubled months after the vaccines were administered, based on changes in markers of inflammation and other cell damage.

    Patients had a 1 in 4 risk for severe problems after the vaccines, compared to 1 in 9 before.

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/if-you-like-heart-problems-youll

    • Alex Berensons post says not much more than I said from a common sense reading of the abstract of the recently published article.

      I looked around for articles about what happened at the recent American Heart Association meeting. I found a November 15, US News and World Reports article.

      https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-11-15/aha-news-pfizer-moderna-officials-review-covid-19-vaccine-successes-discuss-future-for-mrna-tech

      AHA News: Pfizer, Moderna Officials Review COVID-19 Vaccine Successes, Discuss Future for mRNA Tech

      At the end of the glowing article, it says,

      As part of Saturday’s presentation, Dr. Biykem Bozkurt, professor of medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, summarized findings on COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle.

      Bozkurt was lead author of a study published in July in the AHA journal Circulation that looked at myocarditis and COVID-19 vaccines and concluded that the “the risk of hospitalization, ICU stay and death with COVID infection itself far outweighs the risk of myocarditis following mRNA COVID vaccination,” she said.

      She noted a recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine, based on a national database from Israel, estimated the risk of myocarditis at one to five cases per 100,000 people vaccinated. The risk of myocarditis from a COVID-19 infection was much higher, she said, and infection also raised the risk of other problems, including heart attacks.

      The risk of myocarditis after vaccination is slightly higher in young males. But overall, cases tend to be mild and resolve in four or five days, she said.

      She asked whether the pharmaceutical companies would be willing to partner with others on finding the mechanisms that underlie the problem to potentially adjust the vaccines to reduce or silence those mechanisms. Both leaders agreed.

      “Once we know the mechanistic understanding, there could be tweaks that allow us for the future to do even more sophisticated design,” Dolsten said, “whether we speak about COVID or future viral challenges.”

      So the problems basically seem to be swept under the rug. The July study that they are talking about is, of course, quite different from the recent paper that just came out. There is no indication that the recent paper was even discussed at the meeting.

      An August 18 article says, American Heart Association Supports COVID Vaccine Boosters Suggested by the CDC

      If you read the article carefully, you discover the CDC isn’t really recommending that boosters be given to a very large group. It is mostly about boosters for immune compromised individuals. What the article says is,

      Who is Eligible for a Third COVID Vaccine Dose?

      Eligible individuals may comprise approximately 3% of the U.S. population [the previous paragraph is about immune compromised individuals, so I presume that this is what they are talking about] and also includes people living with HIV, those taking high-dose corticosteroids or immunosuppressive medications for rheumatologic conditions, and those who have genetic conditions that weaken the immune system.[1]

      The new CDC guidance does not recommend an additional COVID-19 vaccine for any other population nor for anyone who received the Janssen (Johnson and Johnson) COVID-19 vaccine.[2]

      Related to this guidance, the FDA has issued amendments to the emergency use authorizations for the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines manufactured by Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna to allow certain immunocompromised individuals to receive a third dose of the same mRNA COVID-19 vaccine in addition to the initial 2 doses received.[3]

      So, the American Heart Association is, at least in this article, giving a very narrow recommendation for boosters.

      The article has a big subheading COVID Vaccines Are 99% Effective, showing their strong support for the vaccines, in a very narrow set of circumstances.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Once again .. half truths… outright lies… and cover my ass verbiage… from ‘the authorities’

      • Xabier says:

        Their reasoning is false, as the existence of very effective early treatments with existing drugs completely invalidates the ‘But Covid is much much worse’ line of argument. Their ‘terribly dangerous’ Covid is a fiction.

        The truth is:

        1/ They wish to do away with 10-yr trials for their new technologies, and in effect use us all for the trials.

        2/ Injuries and deaths are just collateral damage, and data to learn from as they go along.

        3/ mRNA and all genetic treatments must be freed from regulatory constraints and over-sight. Not only no extended trials, but no withdrawal of harmful treatments.

        4/ The Hippocratic Oath is a dead letter as far as they are concerned, as is the right to informed consent.

        • Artleads says:

          Helpful summary.

        • so (as a summing up)

          correct me where i go wrong.

          we are to be guinea pigs—in simple terms, with no legal constraints whatsoever.

          we are to be given various medications in various forms for various complaints by various people at various times. (covering 1 to 4 briefly)

          we are not to be made aware of what such medication is.(other than the usual platitudes).

          if it goes wrong, then by the rules of ‘they’, we are mere test bodies, and are ultimately disposable.

          just curious.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            You’ve got the tense wrong… you need to use present tense…

            norm is a guinea pig

            dunc is a guinea pig

            mike is a guinea pig

            When is shot 4 launching?

        • Fast Eddy says:

          However there is a positive takeaway from this is … instead of testing their experimental shit on poor defenceless animals who have no say in the matter…. they are using real live MOREONS… who are willingly enrolling themselves in the program…

  29. Herbie Ficklestein says:

    Pfizer and BioNTech announced Monday that their Covid-19 vaccine was 100% efficacious in preventing infections in 12- to 15-year-olds, measured from seven days to four months after administration of the second dose of the vaccine.

    The companies said the new data — a longer-term analysis of a Phase 3 trial conducted in 2,228 participants — will form the basis of an application to the Food and Drug Administration for an extension of their Covid-19 vaccine license to cover youths in the age group.

    “These are the first and only disclosed longer-term data demonstrating the safety and efficacy of a Covid- 19 vaccine in individuals 12 to 15 years of age,” Ugur Sahin, CEO and co-founder of BioNTech, said in a statement. “The growing body of data we have compiled from clinical trials and real-world surveillance to date strengthen the base of evidence supporting the strong efficacy and favorable safety profile of our Covid-19 vaccine across adolescent and adult populations.”

    The longer-term analysis of the Phase 3 trial data showed no serious safety concerns over a follow-up period of at least six months after the second dose of the vaccine.rivacy
    The additional data “provide further confidence in our vaccine’s safety and effectiveness profile in adolescents. This is especially important as we see rates of COVID-19 climbing in this age group in some regions, while vaccine uptake has slowed,” Albert Bourla, Pfizer’s chairman and CEO, said in the statement.

    The vaccine has been in use in this age group since May, when the FDA extended the emergency use authorization for the vaccine to cover 12 to 15 year olds. In August, the vaccine, which the companies market under the name Comirnaty, was the first of Covid vaccines to receive a full license for individuals, 16 years of age and older.

    The companies said they will also use the data to pursue regulatory approvals in other countries where the vaccine has been granted emergency use.

    The Phase 3 data saw 30 Covid infections — all in the placebo arm. Efficacy was consistent across race and ethnic demographics, gender, and underlying illness status, including obesity, the companies said.

    https://www.statnews.com/2021/11/22/pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-was-100-effective-in-in-kids-in-longer-term-study/

    Seems no concerns here about vaccinedents…
    No go get FULLY Vaccinated…and make us all SAFE

    • Xabier says:

      Why tell small lies, eh Herbie? Go big! 100%! Wow!

      Piano wire, short drop.

    • Hubbs says:

      Ok. We need a little relief from all this COVID. From a great tribute band.
      What we’re all saying to Fauci:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_gozp2Azws

      Emily is one hell of a classy gal, period. Quiet enthusiasm, great voice and poise.
      FE, you should be proud.

    • jj says:

      Hi Starving herbie

      I read your post with great interest. 100% effective in preventing covid. This implys that the vaccine prevents infection and by inference prevents transmission. It has never done this in adults but it does so for children? This is what pfizer release says.

      “Vaccine was 100% effective in preventing severe disease as defined by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and 95.3% effective in preventing severe disease as defined by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration ”

      And what is severe disease- from FDA

      “Severe disease is defined as patients with low blood oxygen levels or needing oxygen therapy or more intensive breathing support such as a mechanical ventilator.”

      So once again there is no evidence that the injection miraculously started preventing infection and transmission. The term efficiency as being used refers to lack of symptoms and bad outcomes. No or little reduction in infection, viral load and transmission.

      What goes out across every news agency tonight. “pfizer 100% effective in preventing covid in adolescents”.

      This is gross failure in responsibility for informed consent. It is extremely unsafe. People think they can not carry or transmit the virus once vaccinated and can go visit grandma regardless of whether they have any symptoms. In the Publics mind 100% effective means no virus in the body.

      Id sure like to see pfizer methodology what exactly they tested for and how including the control group. My guess would be regular oximeter tests as that is what defined with a low oximeter test defining a severe case by the criteria stated.

      To some extent the criteria makes sense. If the injection prevents a progression to late stages of the disease that is certainly good.

      You could make the argument that the Ivermectin data used similar data. How did they determine a positive? It might be different across the board. Since the standard at that time it can be assumed that Ivermectin data is based on a positive being viral load not a continuously low oximeter test. Ivermectin kills the virus in vitro.

      I have far more confidence in the Ivermectin data extracted by front line physicians in 60 different countries than pfizer gaming trials. Thats consistant with the understanding of publication bias. Multiple sources of data that have no financial interest in the trial outcome are far far more reliable than a single trial by a pharmaceutical manufacturer. Publication bias is a part of all clinical research.

      Oh but i forgot. The Ivermectin data is “inherently statistically flawed”. Its been decreed. 60plus studies and countries 48,000 participants- all bad data. Who paid for the statistics outfit that came up with that decree? HMM I wonder. Maybe they did it in their spare time for fun?

      WE seemed to have abandoned the idea of eliminating the virus both in our bodies and in the public. Not that the public knows that. In the Publics mind 100% effective means no virus in the body. The idea of self screening your health and self isolating if you have symptoms- poof its gone. Responsibility for spreading- the injection does seem to cure that. Why should you care if you have symptoms? The injection is 100% effective. Cant be covid.

      Ivermectin stops the virus from infecting the body and transmitting the disease. While stopping the disease from progressing to late stage is certainly desirable it does not have the possibility of eradicating the virus. Ivermectin has that possibility and probability in a drug with 4 decades of safety. Really no choice to my mind. I feel 100% safe not only for me but the people surrounding me using prophylactic ivermectin and stopping infection not just severe outcomes. I still self screen. But thats me. Im very informed and certainly consenting to the pony paste. Informed consent. No problems with what has constituted moral and ethical non experimental pharmacutical use for 8 decades since the Nuremburg trials there. Different strokes for different folks. You want the pfizer needle go right ahead. Maybe they will start putting a piece of paper in with the vials instead of the risks and hazards that has complied with informed consent in the past printed with “all vaccine ideas dont work out”.

      http://www.ivmmeta.com

      • Mike Roberts says:

        no evidence that the injection miraculously started preventing infection and transmission

        Nor is there likely to be. The vaccines have never been claimed as 100% effective at preventing infection and transmission (the Pfizer data on children is just for their trial on 12-15 year olds, not the whole population). So that is a straw man.

        It is simple to find studies, both peer reviewed and preprints, such as here and here (the latter shows waning protection), if you are interested in looking for genuine information. A Google scholar search will find many more, e.g. https://scholar.google.co.nz/scholar?start=10&q=%22Effectiveness+of+Covid-19+Vaccination%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

        • jj says:

          Theres plenty of hidden information thats for sure Mike. Thanks for bringing the topic up.

          Bait and switch talking about flattening the curve then introducing a experimental injection that dorsnt flatten the curve at all but infer that it does, hidden information for sure.

          Use the term 100% efficient in regards to severe outcomes when the public thinks its protection from infection and dont educate them. Yup hidden information.

          Demonize Ivermectin a drug that may have saved my life. I felt it stop the virus in its tracks in my respiratory system. yeah hidden information I would say.

          OF course hidden information is contrary to the principle of informed consent which was developed to avoid experimentation on humans after the Nuremburg trials.

          Mike would not releasing the data and methodology of the clinical trials until 2076 even though just three years ago it would be illegal to release a drug until after the data was released and evaluated be hidden information?

          https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/wait-what-even-reuters-tripping-out-55-year-delay-release-pfizer-vax-data

          As you have stated as a matter of record just a few posts ago just get injected its what the goverment wants and thats the only thing thats important. Safety, efficiency and informed consent dont matter. Why even debate those things? Why are you pretending?

        • Fast Eddy says:

          oh look it’s mike again!!!

          Delete

        • T.Y. says:

          Yes and no. Whilst most conflict-of-interest-free peer reviewed literature indicates indeed that the injections cannot prevent infection very well and Pfizer’s clinical trials never even tested for it, the point is that the media is trying its very best to infer that they do offer good protection in this regards, whilst neglecting to explain people the very narrow set of conditions in which such statements apply (only for a very short period of time, less so in in the at risk populations etc…)

          I also don’t agree that the importance of infection prevention is a straw man in general.

          Quoting directly from Brock Biology of Microorganism 10th edition (2003, ISBN 0-13-049147-0), part of my curriculum as Master in Biology, specifically says the following in section 22.11 Immunization:

          “An animal of human may acquire immunity to disease in several ways. (1) The individual may acquire infection and develop immunity. This is natural active immunity because immunization was a natural outcome of infection in the infected individual producing the immune response. (2) The individual may be exposed to an antigen to induce formation of antibodies, a type of immunity known as artificial active immunity because the individual in question produced the antibodies. This process is commonly known as vaccination, properly termed immunization.”

          Of note here is that following definitions apply:

          immunization: Induction of specific immunity by injecting antigens, antibodies or immune cells into an animal

          Immunity: the ability of an organism to resist INFECTION.

          Infection: Growth of an organism in the body.

          In other words, avoiding infection (immunity) – in the case of a virus which needs to enter cells to replicate – means that virus coming from outside the host is prevented to enter the cells and replicate.
          This is the key goal of immunization: preventing infection. Good immunization will in this way both protect against disease, which happens when many cells become infected and/or when inflammation occurs – which is in itself a reaction to high amounts of foreign particles.

          It seems to me that current mRNA injections are barely providing enough immunity to prevent disease and not enough to prevent infection, as shown by the rapidly declining effectiveness at preventing both over a timeframe of just a few months.

          Whilst it is certainly true that effectiveness of immunizations vary with the type antigen used, the particular pathogenic infections they try to prevent and also due to health & factors in the immunized individuals, the real issue is that current mRNA injections seem to be offering a poor return compared to other vaccines for other pathogens. They also seem to have quite high adverse reactions.

          It is downright criminal that this level of nuance is completely absent from the public debate – especially so because the experts are well aware of this – and your insistence that infection prevention is a straw man is uninformed.

          It is crazy to inject billions every 6 months for the rest of their lives with an immunization agent that is offering limited protection in the short run at the expense of increased adverse reactions (also just already in the short run, nevermind the cumulative long term risk profile) for a virus which is not a problem for 99% of the population.

          • Mike Roberts says:

            I also don’t agree that the importance of infection prevention is a straw man in general.

            Except that I didn’t claim that the importance of infection prevention is a straw man.

            most conflict-of-interest-free peer reviewed literature indicates indeed that the injections cannot prevent infection very well

            Have you done a count or is this just your view? It may be true but I’d say the research is mixed with more indicating efficacy against infection (which actually surprised me for Delta), at least for a period (6 months up), though it depends on the vaccine.

            your insistence that infection prevention is a straw man is uninformed.

            The way it is often put is black and white – that it either prevents infection or it doesn’t. It’s more nuanced than that; there is a certain efficacy against infection but some will become infected. The straw man is the framing.

            It is crazy to inject billions every 6 months for the rest of their lives with an immunization agent that is offering limited protection in the short run at the expense of increased adverse reactions

            You may assume that boosters will be needed every 6 months, I don’t. Let’s wait and see. Increased adverse reactions is hearsay. Certainly there are reported suspected reactions but how many are real and how many of those are caused by the vaccines is conjecture (note that I’m not saying there are none; all medicines and vaccines can cause reactions). Hopefully, future studies will provide a clearer picture on that. Flu vaccines aren’t 100% effective and don’t provide any permanent protection but there is little debate when each year’s batch is rolled out.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              mike… you dig your hole deeper when you do that…

              So I did some research … apparently Fentanyl is a very popular street drug… go down to skid row wherever you live … and ask around…

              Once you score I am told that the most popular way to ingest it is to take a rock and bash the tablets into a fine powder then snort it…

              Some will mix it the powder with warm water then inject it… you know — I’d probably avoid that… you need to save space for those endless booster shots that are headed your way…

              Stick to the snorting … you might experiment with rubbing some of the powder into your eyeballs… I suspect it would find a path along the optic nerve and plug right into your brain ….

              I am here to help you mike… I will get you through this difficult time

          • Fast Eddy says:

            The thing is …

            Fauci said that the injections would stop the spread of covid and result in herd immunity….

            Not sure why anyone would believe him when he says well no they don’t result in herd immunity or stop the spread… BUT they do stop you from dying…

            Fool me twice… I hang you from a tree…. or better still … I snatch your grandson from outside his school and sell him to the sailboat guy.

            • Xabier says:

              Fauci said the vaxxes were a modern medical miracle, take them and it’s all over!

              Now he says the boosters are simply amazing, and might well last longer than the first shots, maybe more than a year. So grab one, and it’s all over!

              Anyone who falls for this at this late stage should be put out of their misery: existence must be rather painful with so small a brain.

              It’s not just putting lipstick on a pig: it’s putting the make-up on the pig’s backside and saying ‘Wow, how amazing she looks, couldn’t you just fall in love with her, give her a smooch!’

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Some people (without naming names) will continue to comply ..will continue to inject… will continue to believe the lies… will refuse to accept that there are ill-intentioned conspiracies…. right to the bitter end.

              In fact most people will do this … because most people are MOREONS…. the Elders know this … their minions know this… and they are counting on this

  30. hillcountry says:

    This one could be HAL 9000 grinning as the door closes (animated). From a rejected fertilizer shipment contaminated with bacteria to bald eagles with ne