Our fossil fuel energy predicament, including why the correct story is rarely told

There is more to the fossil fuel energy predicament than we usually hear about.

Strangely enough, a big part of the confusion regarding the nature of our energy problem comes from the fact that virtually everyone wants to hear good news, even when the news isn’t very good. We end up seeing information in the Mainstream Media mostly from the perspective of what people want to hear, rather than from the perspective of what the story really is. In this post, I explain why this situation tends to occur. I also explain why our current energy situation is starting to look more and more like an energy shortage situation that could lead to economic collapse.

This post is a write-up of a presentation I gave recently. A PDF of my talk can be found at this link. An mp4 video of my talk can be found at this link: Gail Tverberg’s Nov. 9 presentation–Our Fossil Fuel Energy Predicament.

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Most people attending my talk reported that they had mostly heard about the issue on the right end of Slide 2: the problem of using too much fossil fuel and related climate change.

I think the real issue is the one shown on the left side of Slide 2. This is a physics issue. Without fossil fuels, we would find it necessary to go back to using older renewables, such as oxen or horses for plowing, burned wood and other biomass for heat, and wind-powered sail boats for international transport.

Needless to say, these older renewables are only available in tiny quantities today, if they are available at all. They wouldn’t provide many jobs other than those depending on manual labor, such as subsistence agriculture. Nuclear and modern renewables would not be available because they depend on fossil fuels for their production, maintenance and long distance transmission lines.

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On Slide 4, note that M. King Hubbert was a physicist. This seems to be the academic specialty that finds holes in other people’s wishful thinking.

Another thing to note is Hubbert’s willingness to speculate about the future of nuclear energy. He seemed to believe that nuclear energy could take over, when other energy fails. Needless to say, this hasn’t happened. Today, nuclear energy comprises only 4% of the world’s total energy supply.

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The transcript of the entire talk by Rear Admiral Hyman Rickover is worth reading. I have excerpted a few sentences from his talk. His talk took place only a year after Hubbert published his research.

Rickover clearly understood the important role that fossil fuels played in the economy. At that early date, it looked as if fossil fuels would become too expensive to extract between 2000 and 2050. A doubling of unit costs for energy may not sound like much, but it is, if a person thinks about how much poor people in poor countries spend on food and other energy products. If the price of these goods rises from 25% of their income to 50% of their income, there is not enough left over for other goods and services.

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Regarding Slide 6, the book The Limits to Growth by Donella Meadows and others provided early computer modeling of how population growth and extraction of resources might play out. The base model seemed to indicate that economic decline would start about now. Various other scenarios were considered, including a doubling of the resources. Without very unrealistic assumptions, the economy always headed downward before 2100.

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Another way of approaching the problem is to analyze historical civilizations that have collapsed. Peter Turchin and Sergey Nefedov analyzed eight economies that collapsed in their book Secular Cycles. There have been many examples of economies encountering a new source of energy (conquering a new land, or developing a new way of producing more energy), growing for a time, reaching a time where growth is more limited, and finally discovering that the economy that had been built up could no longer be supported by the resources available. Both population and production of goods and services tended to crash.

We can think of the current economy, based on the use of fossil fuels, as likely following a similar path. Coal began to be used in quantity about 200 years ago, in 1820. The economy grew, as oil and natural gas production was added. We seem to have hit a period of “Stagflation,” about 1970, which is 50 years ago. The timing might be right to enter the “Crisis” period, about now.

We don’t know how long such a Crisis Period might last this time. Early economies were very different from today’s economy. They didn’t depend on electricity, international trade or international finance in the same way that today’s world economy does. It is possible (in fact, fairly likely) that the downslope might occur more rapidly this time.

Past Crisis Periods seem to feature a high level of conflict because rising population leads to a situation where there are no longer enough goods and services to go around. According to Turchin and Nefedov, some features of the Crisis Periods included increased wage disparity, collapsing or overturned governments, debt defaults, inadequate tax revenue and epidemics. Economists tell us that there is a physics reason for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer during Crisis Periods; in some sense, the poor get “frozen out” and the wealth rises to the top, like steam.

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Slide 9 is a chart I prepared several years ago, showing the growth in the world production of fuels of various types. What little wind and solar was available at that time was included in the biofuels section at the bottom. Early biofuels consisted largely of wood and charcoal used for heat.

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Slide 10 shows average annual increases for 10-year periods corresponding to the periods shown on Slide 9. This chart goes to 2020, so it covers a full 200-year period. Note that the increases in energy consumption shown are especially high in the 1951-1960 and 1961-1970 periods. These periods occurred after World War II when the economy was growing especially rapidly.

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Slide 11 is similar to Slide 10, except I divide the bars into two pieces. The bottom, blue part corresponds to the amount that population grew, on average, during this ten-year period. Whatever is left over I have referred to as the amount available to increase the standard of living, shown in red. A person can see that when the overall growth in energy consumption is high, population tends to rise rapidly. With more energy, it is possible to feed and clothe larger families.

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Slide 12 is like Slide 11, except that it is an area chart. I have also added some notes regarding what went wrong when energy consumption growth was low or negative. An early dip occurred at the time of the US Civil War. There was a very long, low period later that corresponded to the period of World War I, World War II and the Depression. The collapse of the central government of the Soviet Union occurred in 1991, so it is part of the 10-year period ended 2000. Most recently, we have encountered COVID shutdowns.

The peaks, on the other hand, tended to be good times. The period leading up to 1910 corresponded to the time of early electrification. The period after World War II was a period of growth and rebuilding. Most recently, China and its large coal resources helped pull the world economy forward. China’s coal supply stopped growing about 2013. I have written that we can no longer depend on China’s economy to pull the world economy forward. With recent rolling blackouts in China (mentioned in the next section), this is becoming more evident.

Without enough energy, the current period is beginning to look more and more like the period that included World War I and II and the Great Depression. Strange outcomes can occur when there basically are not enough resources to go around.

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Slide 14 shows recent energy production. A person can see from this slide that wind and solar aren’t really ramping up very much. A major problem is caused by the fact that wind and solar are given the subsidy of “going first” and prices paid to other electricity producers are adjusted downward, to reflect the fact that their electricity is no longer needed by the grid. This approach tends to drive nuclear out of business because wholesale electricity rates tend to fall to very low levels, or become negative, when unneeded wind and solar are added. Nuclear power plants cannot easily shut down. Instead, the low prices tend to drive the nuclear power plants out of business. This is sad, because electricity from nuclear is far more stable, and thus more helpful to the grid, than electricity from wind or solar.

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Fossil fuel producers need quite high energy prices for a variety of reasons. One of these reasons is simply because the easiest-to-extract resources were removed first. In recent years, producers have needed to move on to resources with a higher cost of extraction, thus raising their required selling prices. Wages of ordinary citizens haven’t kept up, making it hard for selling prices to rise sufficiently to cover the new higher costs.

Another issue is that fossil fuel energy prices need to cover far more than the cost of drilling the current well. Producers need to start to develop new areas to drill, years in advance of actually getting production from those sites. They need extra funds to work on these new sites.

Also, oil companies, especially, have historically paid high taxes. Besides regular income taxes, oil companies pay state taxes and royalty taxes. These taxes are a way of passing the “surplus energy” that is produced back to the rest of the economy, in the form of taxes. This is exactly the opposite of wind and solar that need subsidies of many kinds, especially the subsidy of “going first,” that drives other electricity providers out of business.

Prices for oil, coal and natural gas have been far lower than producers need, for a long time. The COVID shutdowns in 2020 made the problem worse. Now, with producers quitting at the same time the economy is trying to reopen, it is not surprising that some prices are spiking.

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Most local US papers don’t tell much about world energy prices, but these are increasingly becoming a big problem. Natural gas is expensive to ship and store, so prices vary greatly around the world. US natural gas prices have roughly doubled from a year ago, but this is a far lower increase than many other parts of the world are experiencing. In fact, the bills that most US natural gas residential customers will receive will increase by far less than 100% because at the historic low price, over half of the price for residential service is distribution expenses, and such expenses don’t change very much.

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Slide 17 shows another way of looking at data that is similar to that in Slide 14. This slide shows amounts on a per capita basis, with groupings I have chosen. I think of coal and oil as being pretty much the only energy resources that can “stand on their own.” The recent peak year for combined coal and oil, on a per capita basis, was 2008.

Natural gas, nuclear, and hydroelectric were the first add-ons. If a person looks closely, it can be seen that the growth rate of this group has slowed, at least in part because of the pricing problems caused by wind and solar.

The “green” sources at the bottom are growing, but from a very low base. The main reason for their growth is the subsidies they receive. If fossil fuels falter in any major way, it will adversely affect the growth of wind and solar. Already, there are articles about supply chain problems for the big wind turbines. Any cutback in subsidies is also harmful to their production.

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US papers don’t tell us much about these problems, but they are getting to be very serious problems in other parts of the world. The countries with the biggest problems are the ones trying to import natural gas or coal. If an exporting country finds its own production falling short, it is likely to make certain that its own citizens are adequately supplied first, before providing exports to others. Thus, importing countries may find very high prices, or supplies simply not available.

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This slide got a lot of laughs. The university does have some sort of agricultural plot, but teaching subsistence farming is not its goal.

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My point about “scientists who are not pressured by the need for research grants or acceptance of written papers are the ones trying to tell the whole truth” got quite a few laughs. As a practical matter, this means that retired scientists tend to be disproportionately involved in trying to discern the truth.

With the military understanding the need to work around energy limits, one change has been to move away from preparation for “hot wars” to more interest in biological weapons, such as viruses. Thus, governments of many countries, including the United States, Canada, France, Italy, Australia and China, have funded research on making viruses more virulent. The vaccine-making industry also supported this effort because it might enhance the industry’s ability to make and sell more vaccines. It was believed that there might even be new techniques that would develop from this new technology that would increase the overall revenue generated by the healthcare industry.

Questions came up, both during the talk and later, about what other changes have taken place because of the need for much of the audience to hear a story with a happily ever after ending, and because of the known likely decline of the economy for physics reasons. Clearly one thing that happens is successful entrepreneurs, such as Elon Musk, aim their production in areas where subsidies will be available. With fossil fuel production not making money, fossil fuel producers are even willing to undertake renewable projects if subsidies seem to be high enough. The issue isn’t really, “What is sustainable?” It is much more, “Where will the profits be, given where subsidies will be, and what people are being taught about how to perceive today’s problems?”

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In fact, what has been happening in recent years is that a great deal of debt has been added to the world economy. Mostly, this added debt seems to be creating added inflation. It definitely is not leading to the rapid extraction of a great deal more fossil fuels, which is what really would allow the production of more goods and services. If inflation leads to higher interest rates, this, by itself, could destabilize the financial system.

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I tried to explain, as I have in the past, how a self-organizing economy works. New citizens are born, and old ones pass away. New businesses are formed, and they add new products, keeping in mind what products citizens want and can afford. Governments add laws and taxes, as situations change. Energy is needed at every step in production, so availability of inexpensive energy is important in the operation of the economy, as well. There are equivalences, such as employees tend also to be customers. If the wages of employees are high, they can afford to buy many goods and services; if wages are low, employees will be very restricted in what they can afford.

In some sense, the economy is hollow inside, because the economy will stop manufacturing unneeded products. If an economy starts making cars, for example, it will phase out products associated with transportation using horse and buggy.

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A self-organizing economy clearly does not operate in the simple way economists seem to model the economy. Low prices can be just as big a problem as high prices, for example.

Another issue is that the energy needs of an economy seem to depend on its population and how far it has already been built up. For example, roads, bridges, water distribution pipelines and electricity transmission infrastructure must all be maintained, even if the population falls. We know humans need something like 2000 calories a day of food. Economies seem to have a similar constant need for energy, based on both the number of people in the economy and the amount of infrastructure that has been built up. There is no way to cut back very much, without the economy collapsing.

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I am not exactly certain when the first discussion of the economy as a dissipative structure (self-organizing system powered by energy) started. When I prepared this slide, I was thinking that perhaps it was in 1996, when Yoshinori Shizoawa wrote a paper called Economy as a Dissipative Structure. However, when I did a search today, I encountered an earlier paper by Robert Ayres, written in 1988, also discussing the economy as a dissipative structure. So, the idea has been around for a very long time. But getting ideas from one part of academia to other parts of academia seems to be a very slow process.

Debt cannot grow indefinitely, either, because there needs to be a way for it to be paid back in a way that produces real goods and services. Without adequate energy supplies, it becomes impossible to produce the goods and services that consumers need.

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Attendees asked about earlier posts that might be helpful in understanding our current predicament. This is the list I provided:

Humans Left Sustainability Behind as Hunter Gatherers  – Dec. 2, 2020
How the World’s Energy Problem Has Been Hidden – June 21, 2021
Energy Is the Economy; Shrinkage in Energy Supply Leads to Conflict – Nov. 9, 2020
Why a Great Reset Based on Green Energy Isn’t Possible – July 17, 2020
The “Wind and Solar Will Save Us” Delusion – Jan. 30, 2017

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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4,653 Responses to Our fossil fuel energy predicament, including why the correct story is rarely told

  1. Bobby says:

    As mandates role out, at some point willing jab receivers and virtue posers will all need to accept their compliance was never a matter of their personal choice.
    What will they feel like when that day dawns?..apart from very unwell

  2. Harry McGibbs says:

    This story seems pretty under-reported; seems fairly significant to me:

    “The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), known as Iran’s elite force, says nine Iranian soldiers were killed in clashes with the US naval forces in the Persian Gulf.”

    https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/911228-nine-iranian-soldiers-killed-in-clashes-with-us-navy-iran

  3. Harry McGibbs says:

    “In Spain, wave of protests over price hikes puts a damper on recovery.

    “Truckers, farmers, auto and metal workers, hairdressers and pensioners are all staging marches against soaring production costs and inflation.”

    https://english.elpais.com/economy-and-business/2021-11-22/in-spain-wave-of-protests-over-price-hikes-puts-a-damper-on-recovery.html

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    Of all Covid patients in the ICU, about 80% are over 50 years old, and most have widely recognised risk factors such as high blood pressure, heart failure or diabetes. Of the patients younger than 50 who end up in ICUs with Covid, 80% are varying degrees of overweight. These statistics should be known to every Austrian and also to our decision-makers by now. Perhaps the planned vaccine mandates should be confined to these groups, and we should avoid raining vaccines down upon the entire population (including healthy children and adolescents). Perhaps a compromise like this would help to calm our heated social and political environment, which is urgently needed.

    Mandate centrism aside, the basic point here is crucial: People who end up in hospital dying of Corona are overwhelmingly very old and very sick. If our press or our bureaucrats truly wished to solve the problem of overwhelmed hospitals, they would be investigating the demographic characteristics of severely ill unvaccinated patients, discovering trends in this group, and pondering ways to get vaccines to them. Reducing the likelihood of severe outcome in the very old and the very sick is the only conceivable application that our leaky, rapidly fading vaccines have.

    https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/of-all-covid-patients-in-the-icu

    We pay the price for these diseased slobs… who shove anything they get their hands on down their fat throats….

    • Tim Groves says:

      I disagree with stigmatizing the old, the fat and the diseased, whether it’s their fault or not. They have enough on their plates already without the rest of us berating them. And just like the rest of us, they don’t deserve mandatory jabs of anything.

      Let’s save the lethal injections for the mass murderers responsible for orchestrating this democide—once they’ve been tried and convicted by a fair and impartial jury, of course.

      • Xabier says:

        I agree, Tim: let’s give the filthy doomed scum a fair trial – before we drag them off to Tower Hill for a meeting with an axe!

      • Dennis L. says:

        Tim,

        It seems to me that somewhere one has to take responsibility for one’s actions; this is very difficult to do in our media intense society.

        Food which is very bad for the individual and society is promoted through constant advertising; we need far fewer calories than we eat and we need far less “value added” through processing than is done. Downside, that stuff doesn’t taste as good and there is no dopamine high.

        Vaccination is a short cut to minding one’s health and diet without the effort.

        Gluttony has been considered one of the seven deadly sins, perhaps because of the additional costs it imposes on society. Complications from excessive vaccination might be one of those costs.

        Dennis L.

      • Lastcall says:

        Maybe they have too much on their plates ….

      • Mike Roberts says:

        Didn’t you refer to old people a “crinklies” recently? If not, my apologies. I agree that people shouldn’t be discriminate against because of attributes beyond their control.

        On the article at the top of the thread, I wonder what “most” means. “most have widely recognised risk factors” It could mean anything from 50.01% to 99.99%. Generally, “most” seems to be a dismissive term that ignores the minority, however large.

        • >>>>people shouldn’t be discriminate against because of attributes beyond their control.<<<

          Mike, Why dyou think I humour eddy?

          • Good answer!

          • Norman, although I do not agree with you on several topics, I admire your stoic attitude dealing with FE.

            Kudos!

            • -the English language is a thing of beauty and infinite diversity

              i use eddy like a creative pencil sharpener-

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I admire norm’s staying power… Fast Eddy runs the bus over him on a daily basis and he gets back up …

            • eddy

              i think others have added sufficient to this thread.

              there is little need for me to add more

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Oh come now norm… surely you could add another of your feeble attempts at humour?

              Shall we watch American Moon again… just for kicks?

            • all criticism has value eddy, one day you may come to know that, and appreciate it for what it is.

              throwing a tantrum (your words: being irritated) when someone presumes to point out that you might be wrong only cements the certainty of it.
              You may have observed that I don’t do that.

              it also reveals your emotional level–your life-book if you wish.

              It falls open at every rant and trivial, juvenile insult, I enjoy digesting it. I like knowing people in depth.
              I like the certainty that you have nowhere else to vent your anger at the world.

              Your barstool is centre stage.

              Do be careful how fast you spin on it.

              we would all miss you if spun so fast that you disappeared up your own fundamental orifice.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Fast Eddy is Darwinism in Action. It is understandable … that the weak will be unhappy.

              But as we can observe here on OFW… the weak … are weak… they are unable to fight back… because the strong are strong..

              This is the way the world works… always has… it’s not good or bad.. it just is.

              However there is one battle the weak will win … they are right this very second turning Darwin in his grave… they are violating the laws of nature by injecting themselves with the Pfizer… they are an abomination … creating deadly mutants… that will end both strong and weak…

              You see… this is why the weak are always eliminated… we are about to experience what happens when they win.

            • Norm has many worthwhile things to say. We need his comments.

              People from different walks in life can be expected to have different views on vaccines. What “works” for people over 80 is likely to be different than what works for a person under 60, without co-morbidities.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              norm can of course justify his endless injections by claiming they are protecting his weakened carcass from dying from covid… (and he can ignore the immune exhaustion issue)

              However … the reality is … he denies the injections are both dangerous and that they are the cause of mutants that are emerging and threatening to end the human species…

              Therefore at best norm is extremely selfish … he expects 8B to sacrifice their lives so he can live a little longer…

              At worst… he’s … well we don’t have to get into that… those who know.. know…. let’s just say… norm … covid… injections .. and logic… should never be used in the same sentence

            • i have said that viruses are, or might be, the ultimate defence mechanism against our incursions into and destruction of, the environment on which every life form (even eddy) depends

  5. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Children skipping meals in majority of families in Lebanon, UNICEF says…

    “More than half of families in Lebanon had at least one child who skipped a meal by October 2021 amid a “dramatic deterioration of living conditions”, the UN’s children’s fund said in a report released on Tuesday.”

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/children-skipping-meals-majority-families-lebanon-unicef-says-2021-11-23/

  6. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Fertilizer shortage may lead to spring scramble on North America’s farms.

    “A global shortage of nitrogen fertilizer is driving prices to record levels, prompting North America’s farmers to delay purchases and raising the risk of a spring scramble to apply the crop nutrient before planting season.”

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/fertilizer-shortage-may-lead-spring-scramble-north-americas-farms-2021-11-24/

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Aluminum Inventories Have Fallen To Critical Levels.

      “The aluminum market is now in deficit. First, the rest of the world outside China — and then China itself, for a number of reasons — have found primary production not meeting downstream demand. And, guess what: those stocks are running down. In fact, a Bloomberg report suggests they have all but gone.”

      https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Aluminum-Inventories-Have-Fallen-To-Critical-Levels.html

      • Harry McGibbs says:

        “A Few Hundred Billion Dollars Won’t Fix All the [Chip] Shortages…

        “Governments are making multibillion-dollar announcements to deal with the global chip shortage. That’s unlikely to help at this point and only risks muddying priorities for the future.”

        https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-23/a-few-hundred-billion-dollars-won-t-fix-chip-shortages

        • Ed says:

          Yes, chip making has a three year lead time if you have in place land, water, capital, and trained workers. If you need to train a work force make it 30 years. At one point Abu Dhabi was sending future chip makers to Germany to learn “work ethic”. I guess it dd not work no chip factory in Abu Dhabi.

      • Minority of One says:

        A shortage of cans for sugary fizzy drinks, and beer? That will cause riots.

      • Without enough energy supply, aluminum is one of the materials we will lose. USGS says this about aluminum:
        https://www.usgs.gov/centers/nmic/aluminum-statistics-and-information

        Aluminum is the second most abundant metallic element in the Earth’s crust after silicon, yet it is a comparatively new industrial metal that has been produced in commercial quantities for just over 100 years. It weighs about one-third as much as steel or copper; is malleable, ductile, and easily machined and cast; and has excellent corrosion resistance and durability. Measured either in quantity or value, aluminum’s use exceeds that of any other metal except iron, and it is important in virtually all segments of the world economy. Some of the many uses for aluminum are in transportation (automobiles, airplanes, trucks, railcars, marine vessels, etc.), packaging (cans, foil, etc.), construction (windows, doors, siding, etc), consumer durables (appliances, cooking utensils, etc.), electrical transmission lines, machinery, and many other applications.

        Without enough aluminum, many parts of the economy would need to be scaled back. For example, wind and solar both require a disproportionately large amount of electricity transmission lines because supplies tend to be far from sources and because use of the transmission lines is, on average, quite low because the energy sources are intermittent. Transmission lines today are nearly all aluminum because copper is much heavier. It would need more poles to hold the wire up, among other things. Copper is less abundant in supply; it is needed for other uses. So the rapid scale-up of wind and solar could be put in jeopardy by the lack of aluminum, it would seem.

    • A fertilizer shortage is not something we have had to deal with before. If beans require less fertilizer than corn and wheat, there may be some shifting of crops, I would think.

  7. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Cuba Experiences Its Worst Economic Crisis Since the End of the Soviet Union.

    “The economic crisis manifests itself in long lines — in a country already ravaged by COVID-19 — to buy necessities. Blackouts in major cities are common and a broken health care system exists due to the lack of investment…”

    https://dialogo-americas.com/articles/cuba-experiences-its-worst-economic-crisis-since-the-end-of-the-soviet-union/#.YZ3-INDP3IU

  8. Harry McGibbs says:

    “New Zealand interest rate hike raises pressure on central banks over inflation…

    “In a warning signal for central banks around the world as they struggle to contain inflationary pressures, the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (RBNZ) raised the official cash rate by 25 basis points to 0.75% as expected in its final policy meeting of the year on Wednesday.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/24/new-zealand-interest-rate-hike-raises-pressure-on-central-banks-over-inflation

  9. Harry McGibbs says:

    “China’s Coal Crunch Isn’t Over Yet as Cold Weather Drives Demand.

    “Record coal production hasn’t ended China’s energy crisis, as the threat of extreme cold this winter could deplete supplies again soon.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-23/china-s-coal-crunch-isn-t-over-yet-as-cold-weather-drives-demand

  10. Fast Eddy says:

    Roger Hodgkinson 19m mark…. I could see Roger taking serious action … he has that look… he could … kill… if pushed

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/Pb2bARopJptI/

    • Xabier says:

      A very good, serious, video with interesting info on the theoretical case for the Vaxx also being a bio-weapon to reduce fertility.

      Dr H scores AA + , angry and articulate.

      Yep, he’d pull the lever to open the trap door, no doubt.

    • Minority of One says:

      Excellent video. Three speakers (10 min each) make a good case that the vaxx might mean the end of pregnancy, for a lot of women.

    • “Has the world gone stark raving mad?” asks Dr. Roger Hodkinson.

      Actually, I think the world is succumbing to an energy problem that is causing it to behave very strangely.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The depletion of cheap energy is causing the MOREONS to go out of their minds….

        As one would expect when one slowly begins to realize that the empire of torture, murder, and destruction is about to end.

        Try taking a juicy piece of meat from the jaws of a large vicious dog….

        Try taking a penny from a wealthy man….

        Try clawing back something that was in a union-negotiated contract from a working man….

        Try to take candy for a child….

  11. CTG says:

    There are literally hundreds of millions of people who are “already done”. They have no future, no hope or whatever. Their country has either collapse and they have no food. They are waiting to see what happens next.

    While we, all the armchair commenters are talking the macro picture, the small details and chiding on some bots on the internet. In the olden days, when collapse happen on civilization, they move on to another one or move far away and start again. They have simple needs. They have no specialization. They know how to survive.

    Right now, is inflation getting better? Is the political side of things getting any better? Are we getting more oil out and more energy? Are we seeing more countries going down? Are we seeing more resistance to the vaccine? Are we seeing more ridiculous mandates and policies?

    Do you think if you bring someone back from the dead. Say someone who died in 2017 and let him see what is happening now, do you think he will get a shock? Do you think he will say “the world has actually collapsed”?

    Move back a little further, bring someone from 1960s. What does he think about our current situation? Does he think that his life is better than those who are born in 2010? If he knows that people are being forced jabbed or even children being forced jabbed by vaccinates that can kill, do you think he will be so disgusted?

    Ask someone now (and if you have a time-travel chance to ask the same person in 2000) how we can get back to normality? How can life be better going forward? The answer is simple – “no way”. If asked in year 2000, yes, they can say the future is very bright albeit the NASDAQ has crashed but it will rebound. If you ask anyone now if the market crash, can we go back to the highs again? Chances are, if the person is rational and knows what he is doing, “nope” is the answer.

    At the end of the day, all the things that we talked about – vaccines, energy, morality, criminality, stupidity are totally not important. The trajectory has already being set a long time ago and it is a downward slope. The question is, when will we be staring at the final abyss?

    • Ed says:

      The question for me is where will still exist with living humans after the abyss? t does not need to be sustainable just 40 years sustainable.

      Why are we here? To watch history n the making. A show like this happens only once per sentient species.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      The hurricane has nearly dissipated all of its energy….

  12. CTG says:

    The main reason as I have stated many times is that you are of certain financial independence. You have the money. You live in a good place. That is why you have free time to come to OFW on a daily basis to chat here. It is like the rich people of ancient Rome. Go to baths, chat and have grapes and fed by maidens.

    If you are in Iraq or India or some other places that is not great (like the slaves in Rome), then your life is basically collapsed. You don’t know what to do next other than pray to strike big some where (like a lottery) or you can escape as a refugee.

    As for people selling their houses and waiting for collapse, it will not happen. collapse is a process and it is only the last segment of the collapse is total collapse.

    One should live life as what any normal person would do. Those who are aware of whats is happening will not be afraid of death. It is those who are afraid of death that will take the jab.

    Not many people can take death hanging over one’s head. For many, this is depressing and they will look away. They just don’t want to know. That is good if you live a normal life but for many, they are still on the rat race to achieve their Ferraris and MacMansions. Putting in long hours to achieve something that will never come.

    What is the point of arguing with people how good/bad the virus/vaccine is? The ship has already sank halfway. We on OFW are all on first class and we looked down and see the ship sinking. Just don’t know when the water will come up to the top level. Many of the ship refuse to look down. Many are waiting for the ship to break into 2 and sink immediately. What will happen? when will take happen ? No one knows?

    Philosophically, why are we here in the first place? To see all these?

  13. Fast Eddy says:

    Proven uselessness of the Covid vaccines

    THE registration and observational studies demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 vaccines reduce the number of positively tested cases. It is true that the vaccine-induced protection against this specific pathogen does not convincingly prevent infection and transmission (as other vaccines do), and it clearly also appears to wear off quite quickly. However, the traces of this particular virus are found significantly less frequently in the nasopharyngeal swabs of vaccinated persons than in unvaccinated persons.

    The genetically induced production of viral proteins by human cells leads to a specific and detectable immune response. Undoubtedly, this is a scientifically interesting confirmation of the fact that mRNA and DNA vector technologies work biologically.

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/proven-uselessness-of-the-covid-vaccines/

  14. Fast Eddy says:

    Mandatory jabs? Legally impossible

    THE news that Austria intends to enforce mandatory Covid-19 vaccination next year raises some interesting legal questions. For, unless of course they intend to continue hiding behind emergency rule by diktat, legislation will surely be required.

    To, as it were, hold someone down and forcibly inject them is akin to subduing a dangerous inmate in a hospital prison for the criminally insane. It therefore requires a robust and sure-footed legal process.

    Clearly a serious crime has been committed by the person being subdued. So first, define the crime. At best, it is one of omission. But it must provably be an imminent threat of violence against others. The unvaccinated must present such a threat. How can that threat be legally defined? They are carriers of a deadly disease which threatens others’ lives. Who are these others? The vaccinated. Now it’s already becoming a bit of an old chestnut, but if they’re vaccinated against this deadly disease, how are they threatened? We already know the answer to that. They are NOT vaccinated against it, despite being vaccinated. Therefore, surely they are as much a threat to each other as the unvaccinated are supposed to be to them.

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/mandatory-jabs-legally-impossible/

    • Xabier says:

      Hmm, hold the super-spreader vaxxed down then, and jab them again, and again and again? Just as logical as coercing the un-vaxxed.

      What insanity, when last March all we talked about was potentially breaking supply-chains…….

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Unfortunately nothing is legally impossible… because there is no rule of law … they do whatever they want.

        BTW – it’s official – I am banned from the ice rinks of NZ at 1159 on Dec 2. The owner of the rink in town apologized but he has to go with vaxxed only otherwise he’ll not have a viable business.

        I wonder what will happen to their public skating business — there must be quite a few kids who are not vaxxed.

        I can’t say I am disappointed… when Auckland opens up we’ll soon be in the same situation as Singapore Germany Denmark etc… and all those vaxxed up CovIDIOTS will be avoiding all but the essentials as they will fear getting infected.

        Which is amusing given most of the CovIDIOTS in NZ believe the vax protects them from getting covid.

        I am looking forward to watching them squirm.

    • Slow Paul says:

      Obviously, they won’t administer the jab by force, that would be unethical! They can just deny the unvaxxed access to grocery stores, buying property, having a driving license etc.

      “Deine papiere, jude!”

  15. Fast Eddy says:

    I’ve now printed this and framed it

    “… in order to fit in with the governmental views and be able to get around more easily than the unvaccinated.” wise mike

  16. Bobby says:

    From a section manager
    in a small local area council in New Zealand

    The following request is in relation to the New Zealand governments education system mandate that requires by law, all adults that enter a school during working hours must be vaccinated by December 3 and receive a second jab by 1 January 2021.

    Public Health Response Vaccinations Order – form to complete

    Hi Team,

    Back on November 10 I sent out a vaccination declaration form along with some information about it and the response or schools.

    Can you have this completed by the end of this week please. If you have questions you need to ask about this please come and see me or alternatively visit HR.

    The request requires a declaration of vaccine status or when staff intend to get the jab or if they are applying for an exemption ( the exemption requirements are almost impossible to meet) Less than 160 New Zealanders in the entire country have been granted an exemption
    Even individuals with severe autoimmune conditions like Lupus are excluded.
    The final option is for staff to declare they are not vaccinated and don’t want to be.
    Finally, not completing the declaration allows the council to assume staff are not vaccinated, which leads to management having the right to reassign/ reorganise their current roll.

    How to reply?

    I am happy to receive any effective sterilising vaccine that generates long lasting adaptive immunity and therefore effectively prevents future acquisition of or transmission of sars cov 2 delta variants to others and that limits the disease caused by infection.

    Any vaccine that doesn’t meet this requirement and is not sterilising, such as a waning prophylactic vaccine, will in fact enhance survivability of existing resistant strains of the covid 19 disease and naturally select for their propagation in the general population.

  17. Tim Groves says:

    This is absolutely brilliant, erudite, cogent, and delivered with the precision and subtlety of a “bunker buster”. Everyone has an irritating friend, colleague or relative that they can send this to.

    An Impolite Message To Those Who Got The Covid “Vaccine”
    By Walter Gelles

    Highlights:

    Wake up, you id-i-ots! If you willingly got the genetic-modification treatment known as the COVID-19 “vaccine” (Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, AstraZeneca, etc.), you were tricked into injecting a harmful, dangerous, unapproved, and often lethal product into your body. A wholly unnecessary product that does not protect you, does not provide immunity or prevent transmission of the virus—but does wreck your immune system, damages your organs, causes blood clots and internal inflammation, and renders you more susceptible to many diseases, including cancer.

    ++++++

    Guess who’s exempt from all requirements and mandates to get the COVID-19 “vaccine”? The following people are totally exempt: all US Senators and House Representatives plus all Congressional staff; 6,000 White House employees; all employees of Pfizer (2,500), Moderna (1,500), and Johnson & Johnson (120,000); 15,000 CDC workers; and 14,000 FDA employees.

    Now do you see the elephant in the room? The Pharma-controlled politicians, the vaccine companies, the corrupt CDC and FDA health agencies owned by Big Pharma, the government officials who are forcing the death-shots on the rest of us…They are all EXEMPT from getting the jab. They know what’s in the poisonous serum and what harm it can do. But you must take it or lose your job. You must get jabbed with the genetic cocktail if you want to go shopping or eat at a restaurant.

    ++++++

    If you got the clot-shot because of fear of losing your job, then my apologies to you, you are in a very tough situation.

    If you willingly got the jab and you’re proud of it—like Jennifer Aniston, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Dolly Parton, Hugh Jackman, Kathy Hochul (NY Governor), Don Lemon (CNN), Mike Pence, Martha Stewart, Amber Heard, Bruce Springsteen, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Jane Fonda, Bernie Sanders, Greta Thunberg, Willie Nelson, and many more—then you’re an ignorant fool. You’re an obedient disciple of the new State Religion, Branch Covidian. You fell for an Official Narrative which has holes in it bigger than moon-craters. The Official Narrative has been completely demolished, but you were brainwashed and you’re still living dangerously in an alternate reality that’s been superimposed on the real, actual unfolding horror-show of escalating tyranny.

    You need to be deprogrammed.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/11/no_author/an-impolite-message-to-those-who-got-the-covid-vaccine/

    • Fast Eddy says:

      norm… wake up?

      Wake up, you id-i-ots! If you willingly got the genetic-modification treatment known as the COVID-19 “vaccine” (Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, AstraZeneca, etc.), you were tricked into injecting a harmful, dangerous, unapproved, and often lethal product into your body. A wholly unnecessary product that does not protect you, does not provide immunity or prevent transmission of the virus—but does wreck your immune system, damages your organs, causes blood clots and internal inflammation, and renders you more susceptible to many diseases, including cancer.

  18. Fast Eddy says:

    Dozens of Ships Stuck in Arctic as Ice Freezes Early, Contradicting Global Warming Claims

    https://dailysceptic.org/2021/11/23/dozens-of-ships-stuck-in-arctic-as-ice-freezes-early-contradicting-global-warming-claims/

    Didn’t Guy say the permafrost would be thawed by now?

  19. Fast Eddy says:

    Guardian Article Claims Covid in Hospitals Has “Largely Become a Disease of the Unvaccinated” – Yet Data Shows 71% of Adults Hospitalised with Covid Are Vaccinated

    https://dailysceptic.org/2021/11/23/guardian-article-claims-covid-has-largely-become-a-disease-of-the-unvaccinated-in-hospitals-yet-data-shows-71-of-hospitalised-adults-are-vaccinated/

  20. Fast Eddy says:

    COVID shots intended to reduce world’s population by poisoning ‘billions’: South African doctor

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/jab-will-poison/

  21. Fast Eddy says:

    Elite European soccer team Bayern Munich won’t pay the salaries of five unvaccinated players who come into contact with a teammate who tested positive for COVID-19, according to German news reports.

    Serge Gnabry, Joshua Kimmich, Jamal Musiala, Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting, and Michael Cuisance have all been placed into mandatory quarantine after reportedly coming into contact with an individual who tested positive for the novel coronavirus, German magazine Sport Bild wrote Sunday. Currently, COVID-related restrictions in Germany mandate anyone who is un-jabbed to enter a 10-day quarantine if they make contact with someone — most likely vaccinated — who merely tests positive for COVID.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/unvaccinated-soccer-stars-ponder-lawsuit-after-being-quarantined-threatened-with-losing-pay/

  22. Fast Eddy says:

    French presidential candidate slams compulsory vaccination, calls COVID passport ‘useless’

    ‘The real question is: can the vaccine prevent the spread of the virus? I think today the answer is no,’ Marine Le Pen said.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/french-presidential-candidate-marine-le-pen/

    • Tim Groves says:

      I think Marine might be onto a winning strategy this time. At a rough guess, she’ll pick up an extra five million votes for that sentiment.

      Also, this may prompt three to five million jabophobic Austrians to escape to France by walking across the Alps singing “The hills are alive…..”

      • Bobby says:

        Hi Tim

        Singing Oozys need to make a stand on their own turf. I believe Marine Le Pen may in fact be a career politician and represents controlled opposition. Another popular figure energy sink that feeds on misplaced hope or fears. Wonder how many vehicles she’ll wish to have in her aspirational motorcade. It is an energy dissipating system after all.

      • Student says:

        Tim, I don’t know where you live, but it is easier to see an European person to move to another Continent than to move to another European Country.
        European Countries have so big cultural diferences that it is very difficult to change Country for a person, unless you are very young and – falling in love with a stranger – you want to grow a family in another Country.
        There are some few exceptions of similarity for instance between Austria and Germany or Italy and Spain (and depending of which Italian Region), but very difficult for others.

        • Tim Groves says:

          I agree with you, Student. It’s just that ever since the Austrian leadership went full re-tard, I can’t help thinking about The Sound of Music.

          Also, I can’t help thinking about people like the physicist Erwin Schrödinger, popularly known on account of the “Schrödinger’s cat” thought experiment and for insightful book on genetics What Is Life?. An Austrian by birth, he was a 46-year-old university professor working in Germany when HH came to power in 1933, and he was so unhappy with that development that he left for England the same year and later moved to the Irish Republic.

          Then there was Carl Popper, one of the 20th century’s most influential philosophers of science. He left Austria in 1937 for New Zealand and went on to do really really well.

          Sigmund Freud, an old man by the time of the Nasties, left things a bit late, but managed to get to England in 1938, where he died the following year.

          German philosopher Walter Benjamin left it too late, and died in Spain after walking across the Pyrenees in the process of fleeing the Third Reich.

          To all who can sense impending doom,I say listen to your instincts and get out while you still can. That is, if you can find anywhere to get out to, which is going to be tricky. Especially if you are young or if you have have children. And I hope you all know how to sing.

          • ssincoski says:

            Where would you suggest (in general)? I live in Poland and I think we will be one of the last in the EU to go forced mandates (core base of party in power would go ballistic and the know it). I looked at the map and can’t find any place in EU where I would be better off (regarding forced mandates).

            I see my only option being to move back to the US and heading to a red state (Montana would be first choice as a I have family there). But then I would just end up being a burden to them. I have worked hard for the past 20 years to set myself up to get by on Social Security. So far, it is working. I have no debt, a house in the country, property taxes are low.

            • There is an advantage to staying where you are. You likely know people there and speak the language.

              I don’t think that Social Security is going to be able to last anywhere, for very long, at a rate that is anywhere near livable. If there is not enough to go around, the most likely ones to get cut back (or out completely) are those who aren’t contributing much.

          • Student says:

            Thank you Tim for your considerations.
            In the meantime maybe you’ve read about the new ‘super green pass’ just introduced during these hours in Italy.
            We are in a very similar situation like Europe around years 1936-38…
            All the best to you and your loved ones.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            The Land of Blow Beckons… the pot of water is not quite hot enough .. but the frog is sensing danger….

            Pulling the Plug would be a one way trip.. there is no way back…

  23. CTG says:

    Guys… I have said this before but I am going to ask again :

    Do you think since the last couple of weeks/months, things are seriously accelerating downhill?

    • Tim Groves says:

      Looking at the news from around the world, my impression is “Yes, absolutely. The slope is getting steeper.”

      Looking at my personal and local situation, my impression is, “No, everything is remarkably normal, with the main change recently being a rise in the price of gasoline and rumors that food prices are going to rise in the New Year.” For instance, Toyota seems to have solved their recent chip supply crunch and are expected to get back to full production soon.

      It feels like we are in a “phony war” period like the nine months after Britain declared war on Germany in September 1939 until the Fall of France the following June. If feels like the calm before the storm. It feels like a hard rain’s gonna fall.

      • Harry says:

        The same here.
        Apart from the Corona measures insanity and the completely wacky politicians and media, it is relatively normal and stable, empty shelves do not really exist.
        The price of gasoline has risen significantly (about €1.70/liter), and food prices maybe a little, but you don’t really notice all the piling up problems yet.
        As if there were different realities.
        But I already suspect that we will see rising food prices sometime next year, with a certain delay this will certainly arrive at the retail level.

        • Yes, the news about Western markets bracing for lack of agri fertilizers (and its broad implication) very next season was surely crossing the Rubicon – if correct..

          Also, uncommon developments in various industries and more, for example as German’s car wiped out of top sellers list in recent months in favor of French and Korean production, or Greece further arming up against NATO “ally” Turkey.. etc.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Perhaps they are reducing the production of fertilizers because they know they won’t need any come spring….

      • Mike Roberts says:

        I agree. One other thing I hadn’t noticed before is the DJIA. I had the impression that it was still going up but slowly. But I just checked; it reach a high on the 8th of November and has been on a downward trend in the nearly 3 weeks since. Of course, there have been such trends in the past, which reversed but maybe we’ve seen the all-time high?

    • Tim Groves says:

      CTG, you may be interested in this new article from Linh Dinh. In fact, many readers of this blog will probably enjoy it:

      Born into a war, I was a refugee by 11, living in a tent in Guam, then an army barrack in Arkansas.

      In 2015, I wrote “Our Refugee Future,” because I knew that nearly all of us, even the most comfortable or smug, were only too likely to become refugees soon enough.

      I said, “There is always an economic reason behind a refugee crisis. People flee because they can no longer make a living due to a tyrannical government, foreign intervention or evil ideology, not just bombs falling.”

      And, “Count yourself lucky if you’re allowed to thrive in your native environment, a place you’ve been groomed for since birth. Too many of us, though, have been forced to reinvent ourselves to somewhat fit into one or even several alien environments.”

      I’ve also said repeatedly that Mexico would need a border wall more than the US, to block panicking Americans from flooding into their country.

      Each time I talked about America’s dismal prospects, I would get shouted down, predictably, with one reader screaming that the USA would be number one for the next five hundred years. Poor man’s no student of history. When I suggested the best solution was secession, to protect local freedoms and autonomy from Washington’s suffocating diktats, another reader sneered that I, as “a perennial ESL students,” had no business advocating the breakup of “his” country. One man said it was “an affront” for a yellow man to discuss America’s problems. These will be solved by people of European descent only. Since they’re doing such a great job, as we can all see, I should just bug off.

      Since Covid broke out, I’ve been to Laos, Vietnam, South Korea, Serbia, North Macedonia, Lebanon, Egypt, Albania, Montenegro, South Africa and now Namibia. Though each of these countries face serious challenges that are compounded by Covid, with Lebanon perhaps the most imperiled, all of these societies are still more intact and resilient than the crumbling USA, with cracks everywhere you look, with smoke, if not fire, billowing out of windows.

      https://www.unz.com/ldinh/fleeing-lockdowns-death-jabs-and-health-passports/

      • Tim Groves says:

        One complaint I have about Linh Ding is the casual race-ism and an-ti-semt-ism that intrudes into his otherwise excellent writings.

        To paraphrase an admittedly simplistic but broadly true slogan that members of the National Rifle Association like to say: races don’t abuse people: people abuse people.

        • Replenish says:

          In-group bias towards people in their own group who disagree with the prevailing narrative can be comical and instructive.

          We need a satire news website that reports on in-group bias and the cognitive dissonance generated by evidence about how opposing groups are being played against each other.

          Some time ago at the annual 2A rally, held at the PA State Capitol, a local reporter interviewed a tall burly African-American man about his views on gun control and was surprised to find out he was a staunch supporter of 2A.

          Last year, the regularly scheduled 2A rally was postponed when the venue was double-booked with a separate event billing itself as a Gun rally/ George Floyd protest. 2A supporters showed up anyway with several being interviewed in support of criminal justice reform and showing sympathy for Floyd’s family.

          I have tried to share the Whitney Webb material with my Dad and someone involved in recovery policy at a state/national level.. the role of military intelligence in the black market drug trade and mass incarceration fueling inner-city crime and gun violence leading to race and class warfare and coordinating efforts to restrict 2A and other civil liberties. They may be resistant because accepting these ideas puts them at odds with the group mind like the truther in Plato’s cave, lol.

      • CTG says:

        Thanks Tim

    • Lastcall says:

      I think the ‘patient’ is not doing well but is propped up by an ass-ortment of tricks and treats to appear functional; much like Joe Brandon.
      But the words are slurred, constipation alternates with diarrhea, there’s more hair coming out the nose that residing on the head, and afternnon naps are compulsory as are stories at bedtime.
      Anyone paying attention can see cognitive dissonance is keeping this ship (financial system) afloat, cos the captain and crew have already made other plans.
      Tis BAU in all its glory, but its not as we have known it……..

      ‘There’s Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow;
      There’s Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, Jim
      Starship Captain, James T. Kirk:
      Ah! We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill;
      We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, men
      It’s worse than that, he’s dead, Jim, dead, Jim, dead, Jim;
      It’s worse than that, he’s dead, Jim, dead, Jim, dead
      Well, it’s life, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it; it’s life, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, Captain
      There’s Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow;
      There’s Klingons on the starboard bow, scrape ’em off, Jim’

    • Fast Eddy says:

      In the latest Bossche interview he says he cannot put a time frame on when the virus situation goes into code red…

      The reason of course is that it all depends on how many people are vaxxed/boosted… how much the CovIDIOTS are mixing and infecting each other… they seem eager to get these boosters into people so I am assuming they are concerned about the viability of BAU….

      I do not think they are trying to extend BAU at all now … they want The Nightmare Scenario to start asap…. Assume though that they initiated the CEP early enough to ensure that they get their desired outcome before BAU implodes…

  24. Fast Eddy says:

    “Dan Andrews could force kids as young as five years-old to get Covid vaccine” – The Andrews Government is considering rolling out mandatory Covid jabs to kids as young as five years-old, but one of the nation’s top doctors is strongly against the move

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10229743/Dan-Andrews-force-Victorian-kids-young-FIVE-Covid-vaccine.html

  25. Fast Eddy says:

    “China slaughtering pets of Covid patients under new law” – “China is slaughtering pets of Covid patients under draconian new law. As per officials, this is all about preventing virus infection,”

    https://greatgameindia.com/china-slaughtering-covid-pets/

    Makes sense… (s)

    • D. Stevens says:

      Dogs and cats are responsible for a quarter of the greenhouse gas emissions caused by animal agriculture, according a new study out Wednesday, which adds up to a whopping 64 million tons of carbon-dioxide equivalent emitted in the production of their food. But scientists remain divided about the role our pets play in global warming.
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2017/08/02/whats-your-dogs-carbon-pawprint

      If C19 is a way to ration energy then maybe it does make sense? Been seeing articles about ‘animal reservoirs’ of covid and I’ve noticed pet food is hardest hit when it comes to empty shelves at my local grocery store.

    • Student says:

      I wonder if what is happening in China about pets is related to a probable next intention of Chinese governement to ban pets from the houses of its population, in order to lower food and energy consumption.
      This is something that maybe Gail could better clarify to us.

      • Xabier says:

        I would imagine that is planned for Europe, too. Hints in that direction have been made.

        • i seem to recall that 50 years ago the chinese had a similarly bonkers notion of killing all wild birds, because they ate too much human food—grain etc–

          then they found themselves infested with parasites that had been the main diet of birds

          that old ‘stuck’ logic button again

    • Xabier says:

      ‘If only they’d waited, when they came to kill the pets, with anything at hand – a poker, a brick……’

      Apologies to Solzhenitsyn.

    • I expect that cutting out all of the food these pets eat represents a big part of what the Chinese government is trying to fix.

  26. Fast Eddy says:

    I do hope that we reach the end game before NZ tries to force this poison on everyone… I’d hate to see … there are some people who will react badly to a knock at the door

    • Lidia17 says:

      You’ve seen this, I presume.
      “chasing up people who haven’t come forward to get their vaccination”
      “There will be some people that we really have to go out and look for..”
      https://www.bitchute.com/video/Eb7DXmCx5UjG/

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I had not thanks for this.

        Looking more closely at Mexico and Bolivia… both have minimal restrictions…. although it will be impossible to get out of here without a vax soon… I wonder how much a one way private shot would cost…. assume that can happen without a vax….

        Always good to have a contingency plan … hopefully that is an empty threat to get more people poisoned… if they start ‘hunting’ I am out of here… it’s either that or the hack saw.

        • Bobby says:

          Build trusted networks now. Escape? Suggest Get a boat, if need be learn to sail,

          • hillcountry says:

            Monetize it on YouTube like those youngsters sailing the Pacific do. Fast Eddy’s Great Escape. Wolfman Jack radio-updates would really add to the jazz. We could play along at home with a board-game, trying to guess your next move, anticipate setbacks, plot your ultimate destination; as you dodge rogue waves, undersea volcanoes, pirates and the inevitable fleet of cruisers. FE could retrace the path Vito Dumas took in 1942 along the 40th-parallel south.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vito_Dumas

          • Fast Eddy says:

            My Pfizer-hearted mate in HK (who is having an MRI on his heart this week) is also looking at how to escape and where to go to … he suggested the boat option… bit of an ask to sail across that massive stretch of ocean as a neophyte… M Fast hates boats because she gets seasick.

            This is the sort of thing where the sack of gold might come in handy… not that it much matters… it just might add a little extra freedom before the extermination.

            You can run… but you cannot hide.

  27. Fast Eddy says:

    Thomas Bareiss (pictured), Germany’s Tourism Commissioner, believes that the Government will soon introduce mandatory vaccination for all citizens in an attempt to quash a surge in Covid cases.

    A supporter of mandatory vaccination measures, Bareiss recently declared that it was the wrong decision not to have introduced the policy much earlier, and that “it is politically no longer justifiable” for the hospitality industry to “live in a state of crisis” while many members of the public “take the freedom not to vaccinate.”

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-mandatory-coronavirus-vaccines-in-germany-unavoidable-says-countrys-tourism-commissioner-12474803

    Because… ???

  28. Fast Eddy says:

    Kenya to Ban the Unvaccinated From Indoor Spaces Despite Only 10% Of the Population Being Jabbed

    https://dailysceptic.org/2021/11/22/kenya-to-ban-the-unvaccinated-from-indoor-spaces-despite-only-10-of-the-population-being-jabbed/

    hahahahahahaahahaha insane!

    • Xabier says:

      The IMF/ World Bank probably tell them to do it as a condition of support.

      Not to do so would be ‘irresponsibly undermining the economy by failing to take appropriate anti-Covid measures’……..

  29. Fast Eddy says:

    Conditional on Infection, the Vaccine May Not Protect Against Death in Over 60s

    https://dailysceptic.org/2021/11/22/conditional-on-infection-the-vaccine-may-not-protect-against-death-in-over-60s/

  30. Fast Eddy says:

    Vaccine Passports Make No Sense as the Vaccinated Are More Likely to Be Infected, Scientists Tell MPs

    https://dailysceptic.org/2021/11/22/vaccine-passports-make-no-sense-as-the-vaccinated-are-more-likely-to-be-infected-scientists-tell-mps/

    • Adam says:

      We had one of our press conference “updates” today, in NS, CAN, I can’t stand watching them but my wife did and they actually said they hope to drop all vax passport stuff by february!!? My initial reaction was: More lies, give hope, move goal posts. Whatever right, we soon cooked anyway!

      • Fast Eddy says:

        In Hong Kong they tried to convince people to vax by promising reduced or eliminated quarantine for travellers… they reduced is by a week or so for a short period then used the excuse of Delta to reinstate.

        Same thing is happening in NZ … that will convince some fence sitters to get jabbed … they might get a brief window of freedom just so J’Acinda has some credibility so she can drop another lie … but we all know this is about oil and there is no way this is going to reopen full throttle ever again.

        The gullible CovDIOTS believe otherwise

  31. Sam says:

    So what is the ptb argument for getting va$& now? As far as I can tell it doesn’t help reduce transmission. And from what I can tell getting the co&$ again is very rare… I heard of a story about a local news show where two people from the show , both having had co$& went in to get their antibodies checked. Him 50 years old was pretty sick for two weeks. Her about 27 was only sick two days and not very…. He had tons of antibodies…. She had none…. I will see if I can find it. This is the kinda thing that they need to be studying!
    The story of planned killing of people is interesting but come on have you ever paid attention to the “Leaders” sorry to say but they are idiots not capable of planning something like this….. I do wonder about Christine Laguards number rant

    • Mike Roberts says:

      As far as you can tell? So what research are you discounting and what research are you giving more weight to? For example, you’ve probably discounted this study but don’t say why.

      Same question on reinfection. I haven’t done much research into that so would be interested in what you’ve read.

      Spot on, regarding our so-called leaders not being capable of world-wide coordination on the CEP, though I think those who believe in it think it is business leaders, not governmental leaders, who have arranged it.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        mike? wise mike?

        Delete

      • CTG says:

        Mike, the commenters here who are on this forum for a long time, we know where they are (which country), their marital status, perhaps their work and some details related to their country, surroundings, family, friends, etc.

        What is yours? Perhaps you can enlighten us since you plan to be here for a long time?

        I mean if you are real, you should share with us some other things that is more related to life rather than the cold word salad that you have been serving us of late

        • Lastcall says:

          Mike be a member of the PMC (professional management class according to JMG, Parasite Manadate Collective, my interpretation) who is obviously part of the bureau-crazy bringing this adbomination to one and all. My guess is he is somewhere on the Jacinda-ladder of enablers who do as they are told and think as instructed.
          He is a geat asset to this forum as he offers an insight into the mass formation currently gripping the intellectual yet idiot class. I learnt about the Salem witch-hunts during my schooling; his is the mindset that enabled that historical episode, and the tortured logic is a wonder to behold.
          On his head and those of his ilk are the stillbirths, the deaths, the myocardial damage and the lockdown fall-out of destroyed lives, businesses and relationships.
          Mike is ably avoiding the truth by sifting out the wheat and promulgating the chaff.
          Fortunately he will not avoid the consequences of avoiding the truth. Nature grinds slowly, but she grinds finely.

          • We actually need people with different views.

            I am actually headed for Salem, Massachusetts right now, home of the witch trials. My daughter lives in Salem. I am in the Atlanta Airport right now. We got through check in and security miuch more quickly than when we flew at the time of the Fourth of July holiday. It looked like there was a real effort to speed up what is done. Probably less employee time per passenger is involved now.

          • Xabier says:

            Mike does embody a certain very common point of view, as does Norman.

            It’s as well to know how these people actually reason, as they are the enemies of the sane and rational, being weaponised and primed by the elites to eliminate us in due course.

            • i think i must be a dollar or a pound short of being one of the elite

              story of my life i guess

              Mike and I, and a few others, merely offer logic.

              Note- the word–offer.

              We do not inflict it on others, we do not jump up and down or foam at the mouth when such logic is disregarded.

              we do not invoke ‘they’ as being the instruments of our downfall, or even elevation. ‘They” are not trying to bump off 90% of us.

              ‘we” are fully capable of doing that to ourselves, and are on course to that end anyway
              we do not enter conspirathons, or contribute to the inventories of plotmongers.

              we perhaps recognise that exchanges of views are worth no more than that.

              they are not worth the ranting and expletives that are generated in immature minds incapable of rational discussion,

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Mike and I, and a few others, merely offer logic.

              They truly believe this…

            • eddy

              whatever the merits of my (and others) logic, it supports itself.
              It does not presume to be correct in every instance

              But neither does it require confirmation by moonloonery youtubes.

              in the absence of reasoned argument, it never needs to resort to teenage level sexual innuendo

              or fall into hissy fits

              or scream in the caps of hysteria.

              or posture awaiting admiration of its dress sense.

              or engage in fantasies of violence.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              The more you insist… the more you align yourself with discredited wise mike… you partner stooge.

            • eddy, your verbal poverty is so acute

              I’m thinking of passing the hat round

              or at least the scrabble bag.

              No wonder you spend all your time on OFW.

              You’ve ‘worn down’ anyone in your RL

          • Mike Roberts says:

            Lastcall, your guesses and assumptions are wrong. Occasionally, some have offered good counters to what I’ve written (Tim Groves has on occasion) but mostly I get insults, derogatory comments and wild assumptions about my motives or my preferences (always wrong). Feel free to offer something serious to the discussion.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          We know mike has a thing for young sheep … aka lambs

        • Bobby says:

          Yes I agree, sorry it is now law!! Section 232 OFW mandate! By 20211203 Mike needs fully fact checked.

        • Mike Roberts says:

          CTG, you know nothing of the commenters here. You either accept what they might reveal of their personal lives or not but you can never know if that information is real or just a facade. I have revealed some information but it’s not important so I have no intention of repeating it for your benefit. My comments stand or fall by themselves. If you can rationally argue against anything I’ve written, you’re welcome to do so. I will wait.

      • Xabier says:

        As Jung said about God, Bendover Mike, ‘ Believe? We do not need to believe – we know’.

        Global co-ordination is no only possible, it is blindingly obvious.

  32. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    HEALTH AND SCIENCE
    American Medical Association warns halting Biden Covid vaccine mandate will cause severe and irreparable harm
    PUBLISHED MON, NOV 22 202112:58 PM ESTUPDATED MON, NOV 22 20215:13 PM EST
    Spencer Kimball
    @SPENCEKIMBALL
    WATCH LIVE
    KEY POINTS
    The American Medical Association, in a filing with U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, said Covid-19 poses a “grave danger to the public.”
    The AMA, arguing in support of Biden’s policy, told the court that transmission of Covid in the workplace has played a major role in spreading the virus.
    “The more workers who get vaccinated, the closer we are to slowing the spread of the virus and creating a safer environment,” the doctors’ association told the court.

    The establishment wants your to comply

  33. Fast Eddy says:

    ‘We never give experimental medicines to pregnant women – never’ Mike Yeadon

  34. Fast Eddy says:

    Dr. Michael Yeadon, Dr. Raphaeal Stricker and Dr. Roger Hodkinson tell host Dr. Elizabeth Lee Vliet of the known and unknown risks of the COVID “vaccines” on female reproduction, risks for the mother and the baby.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/Pb2bARopJptI/

    • Lidia17 says:

      An unvacxed friend of ours has a vacxed wife who just miscarried.

      All of this is So Obvious.

      Unvacxed friend knows what I think (after the fact), but—instead of screaming at him HOWTHEFUCKCOULDYOULETYOURWIFEGETTHEJABYOUIDIOT!!?!?—I left the ‘out’ of “well, there *are certainly* always a certain percent of miscarriages” and “she might have gotten the placebo since this is still an ongoing trial”.

      How can you tell a nice up-and-coming young family guy that his “family” is most likely at an end?

      I would like to send him this video, but it’s probably too cruel to do so.

      *I* would want to see it.

      *I* would want to know.

      I don’t think other people necessarily want to know.

  35. Fast Eddy says:

    Yes hold his hand as you sacrifice him to the Pfizer god.. take my child oh great god of Pharma… for your experiment… use his body … his blood… his spirit… to appease Dr Fauci… (etc)

    https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_JD_ArticleMainImageFaceDetect/487964

  36. Fast Eddy says:

    Dr. Nagase: We’re seeing a correlation. And certainly when you see a correlation, then you have to start asking: in the water in Waterloo, is there something in the air, is there some toxin in the food supply? But when you see the same correlation in different parts of the country – in Vancouver, and then in Waterloo – and you see an increase in stillbirths, you have to ask yourself: what is going on that is both in Waterloo, Ontario, and Vancouver, BC, that is suddenly causing an increase in stillbirths?

    Hmmmm…. what’s the common denominator here… hmmm….

  37. Fast Eddy says:

    From a post by John Smith: 2 hr ago

    One Canadian doctor is speaking out about the sudden increase of stillbirths in Canadian hospitals. Transcription of a video interview:

    Reporter: Dr. Daniel Nagase – the very famous doctor who treated three of his patients with ivermectin and they survived. He is a hero for all Canadians right now and we are so very fortunate to have them here.

    Reporter: Dr. Nagase, we noticed that you were creating some attention in North Vancouver a couple of days ago with the stillborn babies in the hospital there, could you tell us a little about the outcome of that?

    Dr. Nagase: From one of the local doctors in North Vancouver, Dr Mel Bruchet, he has contacts all through Vancouver. And some doulas who work in Women and Children’s Hospital which isn’t in North Vancouver, it’s in Vancouver-Vancouver, it’s one of the birthing centers for Vancouver. They had 13 stillbirths in a 24 hour period. That was what I heard. But the thing is I’ve also heard a similar story out in Waterloo, Ontario. So in Waterloo, Ontario, I have a more reliable statistic that there were 86 stillbirths between January and July. And normally it’s 5 or 6 stillbirths every year. About 1 stillbirth every two months is the usual rate. So to suddenly get to 86 stillbirths in 6 months, that’s highly unusual. But the confirmation, the most important confirmation that we have, from the Waterloo, Ontario report was that all of the 86 stillbirths were fully vaccinated.

    Reporter: Fully vaccinated mothers?

    Dr. Nagase: That’s right.

    • geno mir says:

      I already told you on several occasions that the spontenous misscariages and stillbirths in the C19 vaccine studies are off the charts. We observe 30 to 50 times higher risks compared to normal populations.
      Thing is that a pregnant woman has about 10 times higher risk of thrombotic events (compared to a non-pregnant one) due to her hormonal status of a pregnant woman. When they get vaccinated the risk jumps exponentially, the S-protein damages the endothelial wall of the blood vessels thus creating ‘friendly environment’ for clots development.
      How you said it, Eddy. The clot tickens!

      • Lidia17 says:

        geno mir.. and also (I don’t understand the subtleties of the mechanisms extremely well but thought I would point it out), aside from these vascular issues, the woman now has a “foreign” entity inside of her, and her body has to maintain a delicate balance of neither under-reacting nor over-reacting to this imposition and rejecting the fetus. The vacx can only screw up this immune balance.

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    Stillborn babies

    The punchline here:

    There is a 29X increase in the rate of stillborn babies in Waterloo, Ontario that started after vaccination program rolled out. All the mothers of the stillborn babies were vaccinated.

    I’m sure this is happening everywhere, but nobody in the US wants to lose their job over this.

    So why the CDC is saying this is perfectly safe for pregnant women? I’m curious as to what the CDC has determined the cause of this. Obviously, it couldn’t be the “safe and effective” vaccine. Note: the CDC doesn’t have jurisdiction in Canada of course, but they could call over there and find out…

    • geno mir says:

      If the pop growth reaches negative 1% this means halving of the pop in 70 years. If the growth rate is negative 2% – halving of the population in 35 years.
      I think we can can do the math for negative exponentional function, right?

  39. Fast Eddy says:

    Latest devastating news on the vaccine

    If you weren’t already convinced, you double your risk of cardiac incidents and the rate of stillborn babies is up by 29 times (but only if you are vaccinated). Does anyone in authority care?

    https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=361

    https://www.dailypioneer.com/uploads/2016/story/images/big/11915_Untitled-6.gif

    This is the price you pay …. for being a MOREON.

  40. Fast Eddy says:

    Standing outside Calgary’s YMCA, which requires proof of vaccination for anyone aged 12 or older, Cathryn Carruthers said too many children have been forced to the sidelines of organized sport.

    “You can’t go to a Flames game, you can’t ski,” said Carruthers.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/8395440/parents-group-covid-19-vaccine-passports-children-devastating-overturned/

    12+ must be vaxxed….

    Because the vax stops the spread of covid….

  41. deimetri says:

    “Biden Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm: “We’re working through an energy transition. And we’ve got to start by adding energy, and the reality is, we have to take some time to get off of oil and gas, we recognize this. This is a transition.”

    https://www.rt.com/usa/541090-granholm-energy-transition-gas-prices/

    • deimetri says:

      What is disturbing about this, is she is saying:

      ‘yes, prices are going to be high while we go through this ‘transition’. We don’t have any idea what this transition will be to, since we are just hoping that ‘someone’ (probably someone in private enterprise with a profit motive, since publicly employed innovation consist of just thinking up ways of doing as little as possible without getting fired until they retire) We don’t have any idea who this someone is, or how exactly they are going to revamp 100 years of built out FF infrastructure in a year or two, but we have faith/hope that this someone can magic a solution out of thin air to save us…

      See what we do as politicians is we say we want ‘X’ done, then we make stupid policies that hurt the status quo in order to incentivize ‘X’, and then we just sit back and wait for ‘someone’ tired of being hurt by our stupid policies to come fix things for us.’

    • I think Biden needs a different energy secretary.

      • geno mir says:

        Do you really think there are still experts and professionals in the amrican thinktankdom? My impression is that what drives US expertese this days (last 20 years) is Dunning-Kruger effect.

  42. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    Seven From Anti-Vax Doctors’ COVID Conference Fall Sick Within Days
    Michael Daly
    Tue, November 23, 2021,
    To hear the fringe doctors who gathered at an equine facility for the Florida COVID Summit earlier this month, ivermectin is as effective against the virus in humans as it is against worms in horses.
    “I have been on ivermectin for 16 months, my wife and I,” Dr. Bruce Boros declared at the end of the meeting at the World Equestrian Center in Ocala. “I have never felt healthier in my life.”
    Two days later, the 71-year-old cardiologist fell ill with COVID-19, according to the organizer of the one-day gathering and two other people with direct knowledge.
    The organizer, Dr. John Littell, further reported to The Daily Beast that six others among the 800 to 900 participants had also tested positive or developed COVID symptoms “within days of the conference.”
    conveniently decided that those with COVID were already infected when they arrived at the summit, where no masks or social distancing were in evidence.
    “I think they had gotten it from New York or Michigan or wherever they were from,” he said. “It was really the people who flew in from other places.”
    Littell added, “Everybody so far has responded to treatment with ivermectin… Bruce is doing well.”
    Boros remained seriously ill at his Key West home, according to people who know him but who asked not to be identified. Boros himself did not respond to phone messages and emails.
    owever Boros is faring, there remains the question of why he became seriously ill in the first place if ivermectin is the wonder drug the anti-vaccine crowd claims it is, rather than primarily a treatment for parasites and head lice in humans, as well as a horse dewormer. He had been taking the drug since the summer of last year for what he described as a personal research project.
    “I hope to proceed with my ivermectin observational study quickly,” he announced in a July 28, 2020, Facebook post. “It’s working where it’s being used around the world.”
    He proceeded from that falsehood to some incendiary MAGA nonsense:
    “Fauci is a fraud—big pharma is playing us for suckers. Dr. Boros.”
    Medical authorities say there is no evidence the drug protects or cures COVID. The FDA and the CDC warn that it could, in fact, be dangerous. The FDA famously tweeted this year: “You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.”
    no evidence the vaccine is unsafe, but the vast majority of those now dying from COVID are unvaccinated. CDC data released on Monday indicates that the unvaccinated have a six times greater chance of becoming infected with COVID and a 14 times greater chance of dying than those who got the shot. The CDC says flatly that “COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective,” adding, “Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines under the most intense safety monitoring in U.S. history.”
    But such truths are too inconvenient among the fringe doctors who place their faith in unproven ivermectin. The summit’s organizer, Littell, told The Daily Beast that he has prescribed ivermectin to some 2,000 people, all over the country, with what he describes as good results.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/seven-anti-vax-doctors-covid-100319230.html

    This is the stuff Joe Six Pack reads…

    • MM says:

      afaik horse-dewormer is critical in “early treatment”. if the guy was sick several days, he might have missed the early in treatment.
      I would not recommend horse dewormer as prophylactic. you must have it in your cupboard if you are afraid and know the dosage well..

  43. Fred says:

    Must read book folks.

    The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. It was the #2 bestseller on Amazon. You can order now on Kindle for $2.99

    It’s an eye opener and thoroughly fact checked, because if it wasn’t true Kennedy would get his ass sued off. Just the first 25 pages or so lays out the conspiracy clear as day.

    • I see the hard back version of Kennedy’s book is available for $17.59 on Amazon. It has 542 ratings so far, with an average rating of 5.0.

      There is also another book, just released, by Anthony Fauci called, Fauci: Expect the Unexpected: Ten Lessons on Truth, Service, and the Way Forward. The Hardcover version sells for $11.68. So far, it has 38 ratings averaging somewhat under 3.5. The top review is titled, “Is Zero Star Available?”

  44. Mirror on the wall says:

    Frost seemed to lift the edge of the curtain a bit today. The issue seems to be that the UK cannot depart from EU standards, as things stand, without that impacting trade into NI, which is in the EU SM. Thus the NIP fuss – it is not about how the NIP works now, or anything else like ‘peace’, but about Tory trade ‘ambitions’.

    The Tories want to do ‘free trade’ with low standards with whatever countries it can make deals with. As usual, the real motive is disguised by surface ‘concerns’ (ECJ, ‘sovereignty’, ‘peace’), which are used to apply pressure while keeping criticism away from the larger plan. That is liable both to trash sectors here, like farming, and to lower standards in UK. At least Frost has been more open now.

    That seems to imply that the Tories will invoke article 16 in the new year, and that EU will retaliate. The EU was clear that it would not give the benefits of easy access to the SM to a neighbour with unfair advantages – the ‘level playing field’ – and UK easy access to EU markets will likely, in reality, depend on common standards (labour, taxation, social and environmental) anyway.

    The real fight seems to be over standards and access to markets and deals. Tories have ‘unfinished business’ with Brexit. The EU made the TCA conditional on the NIP, which constrains UK on standards – and it seems unlikely that the EU will let the UK both have its cake and eat it. So the suspension of the TCA and a ‘trade war’ seem to be a real possibility, which would be a disaster for UK. Whatever, we will see.

    https://www.export.org.uk/news/587942/Lord-Frost-fixing-NI-Protocol-top-priority-but-British-divergence-from-EU-is-just-beginning.htm

    > Frost: fixing NI Protocol ‘top priority’ but British divergence from EU is ‘just beginning’

    Brexit minister Frost has warned the EU that British plans to diverge from its rules were just starting. Frost told a conference at London’s Guildhall yesterday (Monday 22 November) that while fixing the Northern Ireland Protocol he negotiated last year was his “top priority”, he had a wider overview of trade policy.

    In his speech – delivered to a packed audience in the 6.30pm ‘graveyard slot’ at the Centre for Policy Studies’ Margaret Thatcher Conference on Trade – Frost said divergence from EU rules was a “national necessity”. Frost said that “the project has already begun — though I would be the first to admit there is a lot more to do”.

    The Cabinet minister said the UK needs to “reform fast, and those reforms are going to involve doing things differently from the EU,” adding: “If we stick to EU models, but behind our own tariff wall and with a smaller market, we obviously won’t succeed.”

    However Frost added he would ensure policy was “consistent” with the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement.

    “That is why I have the job I have – it’s about trying to ensure there’s consistency between what’s required by the agreements with the EU, by the FTAs [Free Trade Agreements] with other countries and find the programme of domestic reforms our new freedoms have made possible,” he said.

    Frost called for “free debate” and tax cuts, adding that the UK must not import the “European social model”.

    Earlier at the conference, international trade secretary Anne-Marie Trevelyan vowed that the UK would not trigger Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol before Christmas. Like many speakers at the conference, Trevelyan invoked Margaret Thatcher (UK prime minster 1979-90), saying that today’s trade challenges were “the same that faced Mrs Thatcher”.

    Trevelyan listed these as:

    protectionism that undermines global trade and growth….

    • Bei Dawei says:

      Francisco de Vitoria accepts that infringement of the right to trade would be just grounds for war, although he generally opposed the Spanish conquest of the New World. The School of Salamanca however introduced the criterion of proportionality, which seems relevant to the case of Britain vs. the EU. Finally, TV Tropes proposes a “rule of cool” whereby an otherwise senseless detail can be justified if it would be cool, which I think can definitely be applied here. Fight! Fight! Fight!

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        LOL

        It is fine to ‘enjoy’ the spectacle that countries insist on offering for public consumption. What else are people supposed to do – go ‘po-faced’ the whole time?

    • Anne Marie Trevelyan must be a descendant of Charles the Baronet.

      Guess she has not changed anything from the behavior of her ancestor.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        That is a sad coincidence. Your knowledge of British history is very detailed, I am impressed.

      • Tim Groves says:

        Trevelyan is a Welsh and Cornish name derived from a place-name which originally meant “farmstead ‘trev’ or Tref (town in Welsh) of Elyan”.

        This website has a lot of history and info on the Trevelyans, and you can buy a mug cup with the family’s crest of arms there. Although why you would want to beats me.

        https://www.houseofnames.com/trevelyan-family-crest

        • Bei Dawei says:

          Some people with that surname have been barred from entering Azerbaijan, presumably on the assumption that it is an Armenian name (because of the -yan ending).

  45. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    Betcha these folks would gladly step in line for the jab if given a sandwich 🥪

    They’re at the highest level of food insecurity,” she said. “They’re at that stage where most of them are surviving on foods such as cactus fruit, which have hardly any nutritional value.”

    Staple crops in Madagascar include rice, sugarcane, cassava and sweet potatoes, but five years of drought are taking a heavy toll.

    “Every year [Madagascan] families, they’re jumping from one failed harvest to the next,” Moghraby said. “And it’s looking that the coming season as well, it’s going to be another poor harvest. So that is not only just impacting that people cannot grow enough to feed their families, let alone do business.”

    because famine is not declared does not mean that people are not dying from starvation,” said Moghraby about Madagascar’s current state. “People may be dying from starvation, but that’s also connected to illness, so it’s not solely by starvation. Obviously, when you’re malnourished, then your chances of being vulnerable to diseases is much higher and therefore you don’t have the energy to fight those diseases. And we see that with the pandemic and COVID-19 putting people at a higher level of vulnerability because they’re food-insecure.”

    situation is really critical: Around 512,000 people are one step away from famine,” Shada Moghraby, a spokesperson for the U.N. World Food Program (WFP), told Yahoo News. Some families have been left with no alternative but to scavenge for food, including locusts.

    ……ke most victims of famine and other climate-change-related crises, Madagascans and Somalis are — simply by virtue of being poor — among those who have done the least to cause climate change. Madagascar’s 28 million residents create just 0.01 percent of annual carbon emissions. Collectively, the 48 countries and 1.14 billion residents of sub-Saharan Africa have contributed only 0.55 percent of cumulative greenhouse gas emissions. (The United States, with a population of 330 million, has produced 25 percent of historical emissions.)

    Sorry, this is not personal….

    • Madagascar is the country where my father was born and grew up. He was the son of Lutheran missionaries to Madagascar. I have heard many stories about Madagascar.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      It is likely only a matter of time before everyone, including us at the ‘core’, is going to have to revert to a more realistic ‘carrying capacity’ of the lands that we inhabit. We can ‘moral posture’ over the ‘periphery’ for a bit longer, but it is likely coming here too soon enough – as soon as not enough fossil fuels flow.

      • The missionaries taught hygiene and brought some basic medicine to Madagascar. Needless to say, the population exploded. That is part of the problem today.

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          All Western ‘do-gooding’, interference, in Madagascar is liable to have been ‘harmful’ in the long run.

          The people had their own way of doing things that was adapted to their own situation. They would have developed their own culture over thousands of years, and honed their instincts and their ‘virtues’.

          All of that was completely disrupted, and it is going to take time for them to find a new social ‘equilibrium’ that works for them, once Westernisation is less viable for them.

          Increased hygiene and medical care have removed the old selective mechanisms, and they are no longer going to be so well adapted to a situation, that is coming, in which those are no longer possible.

          Their breed has been weakened, their honed instincts weakened, and their culture decimated by Western influence. All of that is going to leave them severely ‘damaged’ for a long time to come.

          The basic mistake was to assume that our own culture, our own ‘virtues’, were ‘universally’ applicable to everyone else. It is an easy mistake for a ‘dominant’ culture to make – I suspect that most of them do.

          It seems doubtful that Western societies have really learnt any anthropological ‘lessons’ from the modern period. Globalism seems to have only reinforced ‘universalist’ ideology.

          Also, the idea that Western ‘progress’ and influence were sustainable proved naive, on energetic grounds – which is likely also a common, easy mistake for a dominant culture to make.

          No one is to ‘blame’ – people ‘do what they can’ according to their lights, which is all that anyone can really expect or ‘ask’. Perhaps it is fair to say that it was ‘good in its way for a time’.

          • Kowalainen says:

            I’m surely an obnoxious critic, however in my heart I’m deeply mesmerized by life in all its aspects and an eager perpetrator of humanoid shenanigans. Just with a bit different ‘prima causa’ of what makes the whole life thingy worthwhile. At least for the time being and while not being embroiled in drudgery and suffering.

            So could it have been any other way? Likely not. Some shit works, most won’t. It is part of the process. No hard feelings.

            GGWP!

            ☺️

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Ok great… all future vitriol to be directed at … mike .. wise mike

              Fast Eddy can wear just about anybody down…. HE is relentless!!!

            • so that’s why the seat cover on that barstool of looking so worn

              I’ve told you where Onassis got it from

              time for a replacement

              Keep going eddy—I shall clean up in February when you reach comment parity

            • Kowalainen says:

              Anecdote time; I had the (mis)fortune of attending a presentation where a colleague of mine described a certain technology.

              To the keen observer it was clear that there was a glaring flaw in its principle of operation. However good as an idea it failed in detail. And the devil is in the detail.

              So what is wrong with mankind? Just observe with meticulous sense of detail and then draw the obvious conclusion. I have already mused about the absurd Will to Power ad nausea.

              But what can one expect to do with a lot of vices, desires and attachments than to project it as something “good” (or evil) in and of itself?

              It all sounds like a bad excuse for glaring blunders. However, mistakes isn’t a problem in evolutionary systems. Rather they are default. Yes indeed, failure is the default option. Success creates a new set of decisions with associated pitfalls. It is a grind to figure out unknown unknowns and sort out known unknowns.

              In the mean time,

              Chop wood; carry water, or;
              Munch oats; turn cranks.

              🤣👍👍

    • Tim Groves says:

      Madagascar is having a spot of dry weather in the extreme south—also known as drought—as it frequently does, not because of cl*mate change but because that is the cl*mate there.

      In other news, there are occasional floods in Saudi Arabia and Western Australia but most of the time most of Saudi Arabia and Western Australia are on the dry side because that is the cl*imate there. I’m also told you can get sunburn in Antarctic on occasion, but frostbite is still a better bet.

      I don’t know quite what to think of you, Herbie. You seem to get it on the C*VID scam but you don’t seem to get the Cl*mate scam—even when the same cast of politicians, rock stars and Greta sing from the same hymnbook on both.

      Madagascar is a tropical paradise with excellent biodiversity and superb natural beauty. The human population has risen quickly but the population density is still very low, and the main reasons why most people are poor there are related to lack of development and wide disparities between the haves and have-nots.

      All these problems could be solved to a large extent if everybody was more reasonable—which they aren’t—and if the world was not run as a series of rackets by the owners to exploit everybody else—which it is.

  46. Gerard d'Olivat says:

    On Energy and self-organizing systems.

    1. Gail’s theory is seductive, but at the same time deceptive because it seems to suggest that a simple look at energy consumption and available resources provides a flawless explanation for the “demise” of a country or even an entire civilization.
    On the other hand, in almost every piece she produces, Gail produces an image of ever-expanding colored sticks in the shape of an igloo.
    Hollow inside and in fragile balance with each other.
    For her, it is an image in which increasingly complex societies function based on the addition of ‘energy’.

    That in itself is probably a correct observation which would then apply to, in fact, all the finely meshed systems on which our societies function. But to which underlying systems she is actually referring is unclear. Infrastructure, health care, education, commerce, care for the elderly, social insurance safety nets, profit taxes? No idea what she is actually referring to specifically.

    2. Where her theory fails is in the assessment of those apparently interconnected systems and their importance within different organized societies.
    If you interpret the image correctly for its fragility, then every ‘colored’ part would be capable of causing the structure to collapse, even though there is probably an energy component in every system part that can be discerned with some effort.

    3.Where Gail repeatedly emphasizes the cost of energy and its effects on the economy and ‘prosperity’ she forgets, conveniently or not, the extremely rising costs in the other systems.
    It is mainly those other systems…costs of education, health care, housing speculation that in the USA and the EU determine the prosperity and development perspective for their citizens and growing children. These are excessive costs driven by the perverse system of hedgehog neoliberalization and profit maximization. She will never say anything about this because it concerns another ‘paradigm’ than the apparently ‘politically’ neutral ‘energy’ story.

    4. The reason that she does not pay any attention to the content of her colored ‘igloo drawing’ undoubtedly lies in the fact that other and political-social decisions underlie it. For example, it is interesting to note in this context that inflation in the US is many percent higher than in the Eu. This can be directly explained by the ‘volatile’ systems to which USA citizens are exposed on a daily basis by their extravagantly ‘neoliberal’ system.

    5. The Usa is an extreme example of a country where the complex and apparently interrelated systems have gone totally off the rails. Health care costs, for example, are more than double and health insurance as much as 6 times higher than in an average EU country. All the direct simple arithmetic consequence of ‘exclusion’ of large population groups. The same applies to privatized education, high schools, student loans, overdue maintenance of vital infrastructure in terms of electricity, traffic and public transport etc. etc….
    Also the unbundled energy consumption is much higher in the USA so the cost increase also has correspondingly more impact on the economy and households. The image of SUVs lining up for food banks makes more clear than the average blinded American thinks possible.

    6. The Usa has indeed maneuvered itself as a “self-organizing” system into the corner where the blows are falling and systems are on the verge of collapse. All due to the totally dysfunctional legal and governmental system that is not able to distinguish the complex coherence of the ‘colored hollow stick igloo’ let alone keep it in balance.

    7.I have worked in several places in the Usa. In Flint, Detroit in Baltimore and Boston.
    Even the police enforcement agencies, fire departments, fire departments and ambulance services are not secure in their existence and totally sickened by ever changing governance structures assessments and layoffs after elections and mid-term elections.
    A totally incoherent security system where everyone resorts to buying weapons to defend themselves, against whom actually?
    Their fellow citizens, that’s for sure, but they no longer experience that in their blinded Shakepearian tragedy.
    These are the obvious signs that the collapse is near. Citizens who think they have to defend themselves against fellow citizens because they and the government are unable to guarantee them a safe existence. Well then a sociopath like Trump is the obvious choice.

    8. The self-organizing system of the USA is a self-defeating system and the more tempting it is to look for the a-political “energy systems and supplies” that are apparently not at all sufficient to stop the mega-inflation.
    The USA is an importing so-called world power with a staggering debt that really no one can afford anymore. These are the ingredients of the collapse of a so-called world empire. No wonder that the average citizen in the USA is extremely concerned about his vitamins, his jabs yes or no!…. diet except for his obesity!, his fear of contamination, his unaffordable and thus absent health care and whether in hotels in the EU ‘unlimited quantities of food are served at breakfast’. If not… the collapse is near so much is clear!!!

    9. Ah yes America……once upon a time in the west. I love reading Gail’s pieces and also the unyielding commitment of all those who just keep coming up with links every day that the ‘energy crisis’ is going to turn the world into a blackhole ‘someday’ or in the ‘near future’. We’ll see… I’m betting on a civil war in the USA rather than a collapse of the EU….

    • all other systems are dependent on the ‘energy system’

      only the matter of degree is open to debate.

      there will be a civil war in the USa and a collapse of the EU.

      Why?

      because energy is the thread that stitches nations together.

      unravel that thread and nations fall apart.

      How complicated is it to understand that?

    • BahamasEd says:

      There is only one system, and it is starving for energy.
      The Human race on the Planet Earth.
      Just like any one Human, when it starts to starve it shuts down the things it can to protect the core.
      We can no longer support our lifestyle, We are Starving.

      • Rodster says:

        “We can no longer support our lifestyle, We are Starving.”

        True, that’s why the USA is basically bankrupt but unwilling to admit it to the World. We have gotten to the point that everything has gone up in price and now shortages are taking place all because extracting energy costs a lot more and we are not getting the return we need to keep the lights on. But then again this was all predicted in the 70’s book Limits To Growth. They nailed our predicament 50 yrs ago when they were laughed at and ridiculed.

        • Lidia17 says:

          Most of the world is bankrupt. The “Great Reset” seems to me to be the Bankers foreclosing on everyone. Slumlords get rich no matter the state of their properties or the solvency of their tenants. Schwab and the rest of the Davos crowd will wangle the equivalent of (US housing subsidy) Section 8.

          There is a lot of ruin in a nation, it has been said.

          • Xabier says:

            People would shudder if asked to live like the average lord of the manor in the 12th century: but all income streams led to him or her, resulting in an agreeable standard of living for the times.

            The WEF are trying to arrange something similar for themselves in a new context of depleted resources and, it’s very obvious.

            Except that the ring leaders see themselves more as 21st-century princes than modest feudal lords.

            • 12th century manor house? The smarter ones perhaps even had hot bath bi-monthly.. typical big spender’s lifestyle.. not mentioning the “imported” small crucifix artefact from Holly lands (ME).. which was priced at fair value equal to half a village (consisting of 30x souls, animals, land, forest, ..)..

      • hillcountry says:

        Witnessed hypothermia on Marathon Key one fine 90-degree day after a short dive sans wetsuits. First time I ever thought about it as an analogy, thanks for that insight.

    • 1. In a self-organizing system, all of the systems are intertwined. There are a lot of indirect connections. Everything part of the system is one way or another determined by energy availability. Financial systems basically promise future goods and services available through energy consumption. To some extent, promises can substitute for the real thing, for a while, especially if interest rates keep falling and debt availability is high. Family structure depends on how the economy as a whole is operating. Tax levels and governmental services depend on what has been built up in the past, plus the energy available today.

      2. What tends to happen is that the economy tends to fail in many ways, simultaneously. The system operates closer and closer to its limits, given resources available, as population grows. It fails, when it hits some bump in the road, such as a change in weather patterns, or a virus kills off a significant share of the population, or a neighboring group (which has grown too large for its territory) attacks and kills off much of the population.

      The most stable situation occurs when everyone is earning pretty much the same amount. There are few long term promises. Very little organizational structure is needed. This is the way the hunter-gatherer society existed for years and years. With greater energy supplies, more structure can be added.

      3. Every single sub-system of the economy depends on energy. The only way that other systems, such as health care, or education, or sports activities, can grow is if energy somehow becomes “cheaper” to extract and produce. This leaves more surplus energy to use for the rest of the system (that is, other than producing food for citizens and the energy needed for other activities, including the cooking some of the food).
      —-

      I probably need to write a longer article on this whole topic. I don’t have time now to explain how it all works. As energy gets cheaper and more abundant, we can add all kinds of “frivolous” uses for energy. But as we get to limits, these frivolous uses start disappearing. We have already seen most international vacation travel disappear.

    • Fred says:

      Good post. I’ve been a doomer since 2006 or so and thus at least 15 years too early.

      Yes the ‘system’ has been surprisingly resilient, but this time looks different, then again doomers always say that. For the first time Joe public has experienced rationing (marketed as lockdowns) and all sorts of stuff is running short.

      COVID/the jabs sure look like a depopulation exercise, given all cause deaths are elevated and trending upward in the heavily jabbed countries. Those countries are also the big energy consumers.

      Anyway life as a doomer means you’re wrong almost all the time until the one time you’re right, then you have a brief period of exultant righteousness as you enjoy your stash of prepper goodies before the world goes to shit, Seneca cliff and all that.

      • machival66 says:

        My concern is that even though the death jabs might be interpreted as a depopulation process, if we are to believe the official numbers, the world is growing at 200.000+/day, regardless. The problem with lockdowns being seen as masked rationing to hide energy shortages is that they are temporary so when they end, energy demand increase resumes.. So if they are trying to depopulate they are doing a lousy job so far. Really hopeful that Dr. Yeadon is correct and the Dirty Bloods will start dropping dead in 2-3 years. If 90% of all people take the depop shot and die in a few years, that would be really impressive and quite the achievement.

        But if that doesn’t happen, we shouldn’t celebrate too early, in most parts of the world right now, with the obvious exception of mask mandates and all the other vax related stuff, it’s all Business as usual in all other areas of life. Football is being played, movies are being done for the masses.

        The last time population diminished for a full 24 hours was when a tsunami hit Indonesia and took 227.000 estimated human lives.
        It’s safe to assume Indonesia’s population put all that population loss back since then.

        We are dreaming of collapse but the population keeps growing despite theoretical limits, with the only obvious real limit being phisical space. As long as there is enough energy around, both food and water can be increased with seemingly no end in sight.

        An interesting thing is also that the population increase isn’t slowing down, and instead keeps growing at the same pace (around 1 extra B/ 12-13 years.) It’s safe to assume that the official statistical projections are all fake because there is no reason to assume that population will stabilize around 10-11 B as long as BAU is in place. And the projections can’t be taking account of diminishing energy, because in that case, a decline is the more likely outcome.

        IEA said that oil production will exceed 2019 levels by the end of 2022. I am using this as a benchmark to see if the chance for a collapse is good enough this time. I don’t want to be dissapointed again. Prepping well until then.

        • I would like to see how much deaths have increased in 2021. I am guessing that they are up quite a bit. They likely will be up even more in 2022. The big increase in population could easily turn to shrinkage, if deaths increase, especially in poor countries. Food supplies look to be falling.

        • MM says:

          Draconia is made of algorithmic politics. A happens, Rule B applies. People have to be trained for that new world.
          Energy scarce? regulation by your smart meter. and so on.
          Only: more control adds complexity aka energy. Red Queen. alas.

        • To be precise ‘1st world countries’ are in a de-pop mode from the 70s. They just keep their demographics under control by importing imigrants from friendly, mostly post-colonial connected countries. Just look at US, Germany, Spain, UK, Italy, etc.

          Good blog about demographic trends – worth reading:
          https://econimica.blogspot.com/2021/11/next-economic-financial-crisis-begins.html

          Interesting lecture about their recent book (Darrell Bricker and John Ibbitson) forecasting de-pop begining 2050 with 8.5-9.5 bn count. They base their calculation mostly on Bill & Melinda Gates foundation data / report (?! 😉 and critisising the official UN report. Completely unimaginable with

          https://youtu.be/bSAgHvETNSg

          and their book:
          https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37585564-empty-planet?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=VOHUm9ozng&rank=1

          Still, they are demographic statisticians, they do not take into consideration potential energy / economy / financial system / military crieses, I guess. So far, at least.

          • I am afraid the depopulation comes much sooner than they forecast. We are already reaching the point where there are far too many retired people, relative to the number working. In fact, COVID made the ratio worse.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Look at the countries that vaxxed first… then get ready for the same in the rest of the world.

          The reason they are allowing Injected CovIDIOTS to mix is because they want them to be infected with Covid… infecting them with Covid breeds mutations…

          You need to watch Bossche to understand what is transpiring

          https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=360

  47. Christopher says:

    Sweden and Norway have just started an energy war.

    https://e24.no/norsk-oekonomi/i/MLa7pB/statnett-begrenser-stroemflyt-til-sverige-et-motsvar

    Sweden has been shutting down several nuclear power plants the last couple of years, maybe not so wise. Apparantly the central swedish grid operator, Svenska kraftnät, started to restrict the exports to Norway, Finland and Denmark. Finland and Denmark only filed some complaints. The norwegian central grid operator answered with restricting export to Sweden. Prices are now expected to rise in the southern half of Sweden.

    • Sweden has been shutting down its nuclear power plants because the absurd pricing scheme that allows wind and solar to go first, and forces the wholesale electricity prices of other providers to fall, makes wholesale electricity prices too low for nuclear electricity providers. It drives them out of business.

      Indirectly, all of the wind and solar, and the subsidies being given to them, is making Europe’s electricity problem a whole lot worse than it would otherwise be. I would not feel very bad if southern Sweden is among the first to experience rolling blackouts. It has been a big advocate of renewables.

    • Sweden should be able to conquer the fiction called Norway in a month if the USA looks the other way.

      • Tim Groves says:

        Today Norway, tomorrow the entire Baltic coast!

        The Great Swedish Empire’s gonna rise again!

      • Christopher says:

        “Sweden should be able to conquer the fiction called Norway in a month if the USA looks the other way.”

        Swedish military power at its present state is even more of a fiction. But if virtue signalling could win a war I guess Norway would lose. If you are not convinced have a look at the Swedish supreme commander partying at the Stockholm pride :

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRFXo6wqVqA

        In fact, I would prefer to be conquered by Norway although Finland or Denmark would be even better. Common sense is not as deteriorated in our neighbouring countries as in Sweden.

        • Xabier says:

          Hilarious: under many a burial mound in Sweden, the ancestors groan………

          Who needs armies anyway?

          The corporations will deploy their mercenaries and robo-dogs…..

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