Is the debt bubble supporting the world economy in danger of collapsing?

The years between 1981 and 2020 were very special years for the world economy because interest rates were generally falling:

Figure 1. Yields on 10-year and 3-month US Treasuries, in a chart made by the Federal Reserve of St. Louis, as of May 10, 2022.

In some sense, falling interest rates meant that debt was becoming increasingly affordable. The monthly out-of-pocket expense for a new $500,000 mortgage was falling lower and lower. Automobile payments for a new $30,000 vehicle could more easily be accommodated into a person’s budget. A business would find it more affordable to add $5,000,000 in new debt to open at an additional location. With these beneficial effects, it would be no surprise if a debt bubble were to form.

With an ever-lower cost of debt, the economy has had a hidden tailwind pushing it long between 1981 to 2020. Now that interest rates are again rising, the danger is that a substantial portion of this debt bubble may collapse. My concern is that the economy may be heading for an incredibly hard landing because of the inter-relationship between interest rates and energy prices (Figure 2), and the important role energy plays in powering the economy.

Figure 2. Chart showing the important role Quantitative Easing (QE) to lower interest rates plays in adjusting the level of “demand” (and thus the selling price) for oil. Lower interest rates make goods and services created with higher-priced oil more affordable. In addition to the items noted on the chart, US QE3 was discontinued in 2014, about the time of the 2014 oil price crash. Also, the debt bubble crash of 2008 seems to be the indirect result of the US raising short term interest rates (Figure 1) in the 2004 to 2007 period.

In this post, I will try to explain my concerns.

[1] Ever since civilization began, a combination of (a) energy consumption and (b) debt has been required to power the economy.

Under the laws of physics, energy is required to power the economy. This happens because it takes the “dissipation” of energy to perform any activity that contributes to GDP. The energy dissipated can be the food energy that a person eats, or it can be wood or coal or another material burned to provide energy. Sometimes the energy dissipated is in the form of electricity. Looking back, we can see the close relationship between total energy consumption and world total GDP.

Figure 3. World energy consumption for the period 1990 to 2020, based on energy data from BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy and world Purchasing Power Parity GDP in 2017 International Dollars, as published by the World Bank.

The need for debt or some other approach that acts as a funding mechanism for capital expenditures (sale of shares of stock, for example), comes from the fact that humans make investments that will not produce a return for many years. For example, ever since civilization began, people have been planting crops. In some cases, there is a delay of a few months before a crop is produced; in other cases, such as with fruit or nut trees, there can be a delay of years before the investment pays back. Even the purchase by an individual of a home or a vehicle is, in a sense, an investment that will offer a return over a period of years.

With all parts of the economy benefiting from the lower interest rates (except, perhaps, banks and others lending the funds, who are making less profit from the lower interest rates), it is easy to see why lower interest rates would tend to stimulate new investment and drive up demand for commodities.

Commodities are used in great quantity, but the supply available at any one time is tiny by comparison. A sudden increase in demand will tend to send the commodity price higher because the quantity of the commodity available will need to be rationed among more would-be purchasers. A sudden decrease in the demand for a commodity (for example, crude oil, or wheat) will tend to send prices lower. Therefore, we see the strange sharp corners in Figure 2 that seem to be related to changing debt levels and higher or lower interest rates.

[2] The current plan of central banks is to raise interest rates aggressively. My concern is that this approach will leave commodity prices too low for producers. They will be tempted to decrease or stop production.

Politicians are concerned about the price of food and fuel being too high for consumers. Lenders are concerned about interest rates being too low to properly compensate for the loss of value of their investments due to inflation. The plan, which is already being implemented in the United States, is to raise interest rates and to significantly reverse Quantitative Easing (QE). Some people call the latter Quantitative Tightening (QT).

The concern that I have is that aggressively raising interest rates and reversing QE will lead to commodity prices that are too low for producers. There are likely to be many other impacts as well, such as the following:

  • Lower energy supply, due to cutbacks in production and lack of new investment
  • Lower food supply, due to inadequate fertilizer and broken supply lines
  • Much defaulting of debt
  • Pension plans that reduce or stop payments because of debt-related problems
  • Falling prices of stock
  • Defaults on derivatives

[3] My analysis shows how important increased energy consumption has been to economic growth over the last 200 years. Energy consumption per capita has been growing during this entire period, except during times of serious economic distress.

Figure 4. World energy consumption from 1820-2010, based on data from Appendix A of Vaclav Smil’s Energy Transitions: History, Requirements and Prospects and BP Statistical Review of World Energy for 1965 and subsequent. Wind and solar energy are included in “Biofuels.”

Figure 4 shows the amazing growth in world energy consumption between 1820 and 2010. In the early part of the period, the energy used was mostly wood burned as fuel. In some parts of the world, animal dung was also used as fuel. Gradually, other fuels were added to the mix.

Figure 5. Estimated average annual increase in world energy consumption over 10-year periods using the data underlying Figure 4, plus similar additional data through 2020.

Figure 5 takes the same information shown in Figure 4 and calculates the average approximate annual increase in world energy consumption over 10-year periods. A person can see from this chart that the periods from 1951-1960 and from 1961-1970 were outliers on the high side. This was the time of rebuilding after World War II. Many families were able to own a car for the first time. The US highway interstate system was begun. Many pipelines and electricity transmission lines were built. This building continued into the 1971-1980 period.

Figure 6. Same chart as Figure 5, except that the portion of economic growth that was devoted to population growth is shown in blue at the bottom of each 10-year period. The amount of growth in energy consumption “left over” for improvement in the standard of living is shown in red.

Figure 6 displays the same information as Figure 5, except that each column is divided into two pieces. The lower (blue) portion represents the average annual growth in population during each period. The part left over at the top (in red) represents the growth in energy consumption that was available for increases in standard of living.

Figure 7. The same information displayed in Figure 6, displayed as an area chart. Blue areas represent average annual population growth percentages during these 10-year periods. The red area is determined by subtraction. It represents the amount of energy consumption growth that is “left over” for growth in the standard of living. Captions show distressing events during periods of low increases in the portion available to raise standards of living.

Figure 7 shows the same information as Figure 6, displayed as an area chart. I have also shown some of the distressing events that happened when growth in population was, in effect, taking up essentially all of energy consumption growth. The world economy could not grow normally. There was a tendency toward conflict. Unusual events would happen during these periods, including the collapse of the central government of the Soviet Union and the restrictions associated with the COVID pandemic.

The economy is a self-organizing system that behaves strangely when there is not enough inexpensive energy of the right types available to the system. Wars tend to start. Layers of government may disappear. Strange lockdowns may occur, such as the current restrictions in China.

[4] The energy situation at the time of rising interest rates in the 1960 to 1980 period was very different from today.

If we define years with high inflation rates as those with inflation rates of 5% or higher, Figure 8 shows that the period with high US inflation rates included nearly all the years from 1969 through 1982. Using a 5% inflation cutoff, the year 2021 would not qualify as a high inflation rate year.

Figure 8. US inflation rates, based on Table 1.1.4 Price Index for Gross Domestic Product, published by the US Bureau of Economic Analysis.

It is only when we look at annualized quarterly data that inflation rates start spiking to high levels. Inflation rates have been above 5% in each of the four quarters ended 2022-Q1. Trade problems related to the Ukraine Conflict have tended to add to price pressures recently.

Figure 9. US inflation rates, based on Table 1.1.4 Price Index for Gross Domestic Product, published by the US Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Underlying these price spikes are increases in the prices of many commodities. Some of this represents a bounce back from artificially low prices that began in late 2014, probably related to the discontinuation of US QE3 (See Figure 2). These prices were far too low for producers. Coal and natural gas prices have also needed to rise, as a result of depletion and prior low prices. Food prices are also rising rapidly, since food is grown and transported using considerable quantities of fossil fuels.

The main differences between that period leading up to 1980 and now are the following:

[a] The big problem in the 1970s was spiking crude oil prices. Now, our problems seem to be spiking crude oil, natural gas and coal prices. In fact, nuclear power may also be a problem because a significant portion of uranium processing is performed in Russia. Thus, we now seem to be verging on losing nearly all our energy supplies to conflict or high prices!

[b] In the 1970s, there were many solutions to the crude oil problem, which were easily implemented. Electricity production could be switched from crude oil to coal or nuclear, with little problem, apart from building the new infrastructure. US cars were very large and fuel inefficient in the early 1970s. These could be replaced with smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles that were already being manufactured in Europe and Japan. Home heating could be transferred to natural gas or propane, to save crude oil for places where energy density was really needed.

Today, we are told that a transition to green energy is a solution. Unfortunately, this is mostly wishful thinking. At best, a transition to green energy will need a huge investment of fossil fuels (which are increasingly unavailable) over a period of at least 30 to 50 years if it is to be successful. See my article, Limits to Green Energy Are Becoming Much Clearer. Vaclav Smil, in his book Energy Transitions: History, Requirements and Prospects, discusses the need for very long transitions because energy supply needs to match the devices using it. Furthermore, new energy types are generally only add-ons to other supply, not replacements for those supplies.

[c] The types of economic growth in (a) the 1960 to 1980 period and (b) the period since 2008 are very different. In the earlier of these periods (especially prior to 1973), it was easy to extract oil, coal and natural gas inexpensively. Inflation-adjusted oil prices of less than $20 per barrel were typical. An ever-increasing supply of this oil seemed to be available. New machines (created with fossil fuels) made workers increasingly efficient. The economy tended to “overheat” if interest rates were not repeatedly raised (Figure 1). While higher interest rates could be expected to slow the economy, this was of little concern because rapid growth seemed to be inevitable. The supply of finished goods and services made by the economy was growing rapidly, even with headwinds from the higher interest rates.

On the other hand, in the 2008 to 2020 period, economic growth is largely the result of financial manipulation. The system has been flooded with increasing amounts of debt at ever lower interest rates. By the time of the lockdowns of 2020, would-be workers were being paid for doing nothing. World production of finished goods and services declined in 2020, and it has had difficulty rising since. In the first quarter of 2022, the US economy contracted by -1.4%. If headwinds from higher interest rates and QT are added, the economic system is likely to encounter substantial debt defaults and increasing breakdowns of supply lines.

[5] Today’s spiking energy prices appear to be much more closely related to the problems of the 1913 to 1945 era than they are to the problems of the late 1970s.

Looking back at Figure 7, our current period is more like the period between the two world wars than the period in the 1970s that we often associate with high inflation. In both periods, the “red” portion of the chart (the portion I identify with rising standard of living), has pretty much disappeared. In both the 1913 to 1945 period and today, it is nearly all the energy supplies other than biofuels that are disappearing.

In the 1913 to 1945 period, the problem was coal. Mines were becoming increasingly depleted, but raising coal prices to pay for the higher cost of extracting coal from depleted mines tended to make the coal prohibitively expensive. Mine operators tried to reduce wages, but this was not a solution either. Fighting broke out among countries, almost certainly related to inadequate coal supplies. Countries wanted coal to supply to their citizens so that industry could continue, and so that citizens could continue heating their homes.

Figure 10. Slide prepared by Gail Tverberg showing peak coal estimates for the UK and for Germany.

As stated at the beginning of this section, today’s problem is that nearly all our energy supplies are becoming unaffordable. In some sense, wind and solar may look better, but this is because of mandates and subsidies. They are not suitable for operating the world economy within any reasonable time frame.

There are other parallels to the 1913 to 1945 period. One of the big problems of the 1930s was prices that would not rise high enough for farmers to make a profit. Oil prices in the United States were extraordinarily low then. BP 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy reports that the average oil price in 1931, in 2020 US$, was $11.08. This is the lowest inflation-adjusted price of any year back to 1865. Such a price was almost certainly too low for producers to make a profit. Low prices, relative to rising costs, have recently been problems for both farmers and oil producers.

Another major problem of the 1930s was huge income disparity. Wide income disparity is again an issue today, thanks to increased specialization. Competition with unskilled workers in low wage countries is also an issue.

It is important to note that the big problem of the 1930s was deflation rather than inflation, as the debt bubble started popping in 1929.

[6] If a person looks only at the outcome of raising interest rates in the 1960s to 1980 timeframe, it is easy to get a misleading idea of the impact of increased interest rates now.

If people look only at what happened in the 1980s, the longer-term impact of the spike in interest rates doesn’t seem too severe. The world economy was growing well before the interest rates were raised. After the peak in interest rates, the world economy generally continued to grow. As a result of the high oil prices and the spiking interest rates, the world hastened its transition to using a bit less crude oil per person.

Figure 11. Per capita crude oil production from 1973 through 2021. Crude oil amounts are from international statistics of the US Energy Information Administration. Population estimates are from UN 2019 population estimates. The low population growth projection from the UN data is used for 2021.

At the same time, the world economy was able to expand the use of other energy products, at least through 2018.

Figure 12. World per capita total energy supply based on data from BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy. World per capita crude oil is based on international data of the EIA, together with UN 2019 population estimates. Note that crude oil data is through 2021, but total energy amounts are only through 2020.

Since 2019, our problem has been that the total energy supply has not been keeping up with the rising population. The cost of extraction of all kinds of oil, coal and natural gas keeps rising due to depletion, but the ability of customers to afford the higher prices of finished goods and services made with those energy products does not rise to match these higher costs. Energy prices probably would have spiked in 2020 if it were not for COVID-related restrictions. Production of oil, coal and natural gas has not been able to rise sufficiently after the lockdowns for economies to fully re-open. This is the primary reason for the recent spiking of energy prices.

Turning to inflation rates, the relationship between higher interest rates (Figure 1) and annual inflation rates (Figure 8) is surprisingly not very close. Inflation rates rose during the 1960 to 1973 period despite rising interest rates, mostly likely because of the rapid growth of the economy from an increased per-capita supply of inexpensive energy.

Figure 8 shows that inflation rates did not come down immediately after interest rates were raised to a high level in 1980, either. There was a decline in the inflation rate to 4% in 1983, but it was not until the collapse of the central government of the Soviet Union in 1991 that inflation rates have tended to stay close to 2% per year.

[7] A more relevant recent example with respect to the expected impact of rising interest rates is the impact of the increase in US short-term interest rates in the 2004 to 2007 period. This led to the subprime debt collapse in the US, associated with the Great Recession of 2008-2009.

Looking back at Figure 1, one can see the effect of raising short-term interest rates in the 2004 to 2007 era. This eventually led to the Great Recession of 2008-2009. I wrote about this in my academic paper, Oil Supply Limits and the Continuing Financial Crisis, published in the journal Energy in 2010.

The situation we are facing today is much more severe than in 2008. The debt bubble is much larger. The shortage of energy products has spread beyond oil to coal and natural gas, as well. The idea of raising interest rates today is very much like going into the Great Depression and deciding to raise interest rates because bankers don’t feel like they are getting an adequate share of the goods and services produced by the economy. If there really aren’t enough goods and services for everyone, giving lenders a larger share of the total supply cannot work out well.

[8] The problems we are encountering have been hidden for many years by an outdated understanding of how the economy operates.

Because of the physics of the economy, it behaves very differently than most people assume. People almost invariably assume that all aspects of the economy can “stay together” regardless of whether there are shortages of energy or of other products. People also assume that shortages will be immediately become obvious through high prices, without realizing the huge role interest rates and debt levels play. People further assume that these spiking prices will somehow bring about greater supply, and the whole system will go on as before. Furthermore, they expect that whatever resources are in the ground, which we have the technical capability to extract, can be extracted.

It is important to note that prices are not necessarily a good indicator of shortages. Just as a fever can have many causes, high prices can have many causes.

The economy can only continue as long as all of its important parts continue. We cannot assume that reported reserves of anything can really be extracted, even if the reserves have been audited by a reliable auditor. What actually can be extracted depends on prices staying high enough to generate funds for additional investment as required. The amount that can be extracted also depends on the continuation of international supply lines providing goods such as steel pipe. The continued existence of governments that can keep order in the areas where extraction is to take place is important, as well.

What we should be most concerned about is a very rapidly shrinking economic system that cannot accommodate very many people. It seems that such a situation might occur if the debt bubble is popped and too many supply lines are broken. There may be a time lag between when interest rates are raised and when the adverse impacts on the economy are seen. This is a reason why central bankers should be very cautious about the increases in interest rates they make as well as QT. The situation may turn out much worse than planned!

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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4,216 Responses to Is the debt bubble supporting the world economy in danger of collapsing?

  1. CTG says:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/spain-passes-decree-limiting-use-air-conditioning-public-buildings-conserve-energy

    I would never in my dream expect this to happen in a developed country (assuming it is true)

    • I expect a lot of limits on air conditioning.

    • drb753 says:

      Italy passed such a decree two weeks prior, and I think France also has.

    • Herbie Ficklestein says:

      Remarkable, when I was a child air conditioning was just coming online and a luxury only for well off families in New Jersey, as was color TVs!
      I remember very hot nights in the summer with an electric window fan that provided little relief from the heat. Likewise in the cold winter the house was built in the 1920s and had a coal furnace, that will make PeeWee smile, which had steam pipes radiators…not very efficient and we bundled up to stay warm.
      So, in a matter of a half century we have transformed into energy sinks….
      Randy Udall, now deceased, in one article of his calculated that us baby boomers will have consumed 70% of available fossil fuels…leaving perhaps maybe 15% for future generation with 6 billion more people than in 1950.

      We are for in a wild ride down the ladder…hold on folks

      • we were sold a way of altering our environment to make ourselves comfortable year round,

        it was human nature to grab it with both hands…

        all part of ‘getting rich’ through .modern technology and human cleverness.

        we now demand that it should go on forever

        but unfortunately it isn’t going to—we reached this peak of civilisation by stealing our childrens future.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Hang on norm… you supporting injecting your grand children … so their future is not being stolen hahahaha… you are terminating their future. Get it?

      • Student says:

        Yes, it is like that Herbie.
        I remember when I was a child, my family always decided to leave for holidays at 4.00 am in the morning, in order to arrive at the place for summer around 9.00 am and avoid heat.
        It was fun.
        After lunch we, children, were obliged to go to bed for a nap and no discussion.
        If we were good children, we went out in the afternoon for an icecream.
        Now everyone is on the road at wrong times

        • Herbie Ficklestien says:

          Especia!ly the younger generations that have no concept of the pre chushy life of hard manual.work from sun up to sun down and maybe a day off for religious observances.
          They will be the ones that won’t be able to cope and will freak out of the sudden turn of events in the BAU nations.
          We’ve been mislead 100% of progress and better living for each succeeding generation by our cleverness .
          Yes, the Matrix is powerful

    • Dennis L. says:

      Think positive: we were made to be in the sun. Two types of UV, one makes Vid D, one cancer. IR makes melatonin. My understanding is one type of UV is filtered by glass, the vit D, one admitted, the cancer one. Once upon a time buildings had windows, they opened, ceilings were high, ceiling fans. We dealt with it, somehow Edison did some pretty remarkable work perhaps without air conditioning. I wonder of Alamogordo had much air, certainly made a loud racket.

      Dennis L.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      The only way to know if this is true would be to know someone in Spain and ask them….

      Anyone on OFW in Spain? And are you real?

      • Tsubion says:

        Yes. And I am real… I think.

        But do I really have to say that… not everyone in the territory known as Spain lives in the cattle pens known as cities where the cattle have become dependent on these modern day luxuries.

        Some of us live far from the maddening crowd. In remote locations. By the coast even. And rivers where people cool off in the summer.

        I don’t know of anyone that has air conditioning. Not all of Spain in Andalucia or Madrid where it can be unbearable in the summer.

        Think of the British during their stint in India. No air conditioning. Just a stiff upper lip and some slaves moving the air with a gaint fan.

        • Xabier says:

          The Moghuls spent the worst of the Indian summer months in the cities living in large and comfortable cellars, insulated from the heat.

          The British were impressed by them, but never imitated the style, preferring to head to the cooler hills (much as was common among the rich in Southern Europe).

          Iranian and Indian architects also built ‘wind towers’ which funnelled cooler air down through the house without any labour or energy use required. Very clever indeed!

  2. Michael Le Merchant says:

    GLOBAL BANKS PRIVATELY PREPARE FOR ‘Dangerous Levels’ of Imminent Civil Unrest in Western Homelands

    The information comes from the head of a ‘financial institutions group’ – which provides expertise and advisory services to other banks, insurance companies, and other financial institutions – at one of the largest investment firms in the US.

    The senior investment executive, who spoke to Byline Times on condition of anonymity because the information he revealed is considered highly sensitive, said that contingency planners at top financial institutions believe “dangerous levels” of social breakdown in the West are now all but inevitable, and imminent. An outbreak of civil unrest is expected to occur anytime this year, but most likely in the coming months as the impact of the cost of living crisis begins to saturate the lives of “everyone”.

    The executive works at a leading Wall Street firm which is considered a systemically important financial institution by the US Financial Stability Board. These are institutions whose functioning is considered critical to the US economy, and whose failure could trigger a financial crisis.

    According to the executive, major banks all over the world including in the US, UK and Western Europe are instructing their top managers to begin actively planning how they will respond to the impact of financial disruption triggered by a prolonged episode of civil unrest. However, the banking official did not elaborate on what these planning measures involved beyond reference to stress testing to determine the impact on investment portfolios.
    https://bylinetimes.com/2022/05/17/global-banks-privately-prepare-for-dangerous-levels-of-imminent-civil-unrest-in-western-homelands/

    • A prolonged period of civil unrest: This doesn’t sound good.

      Warm summer weather seems to be the time these traditionally start.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Hopefully this doesn’t end up like Ukraine with no Tik Toks … I really wanna watch.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      As Dowd suggested in the 2 trillion dollar reverse repo message — this is an indication that one or more financial institutions are in serious difficulty —-

      As we know when the banks don’t trust each other even with their $$$ overnight… they will not lend.. so the Fed steps in ….

      We are again close to an explosive situation …

  3. Student says:

    Interesting and funny chart showing:

    Countries where monkey-pox is coming out versus Countries where monkeys actually are present…

    At timing 26.49 of the following video

  4. Mirror on the wall says:

    Whatever… turn off that ultra-boring, ultra-preachy rubbish!

    > Why Sky News’ climate show flopped

    Climate activism masquerading as journalism is not what people want to watch.

    The Daily Climate Show, Sky News’ much-hyped ‘first daily prime-time news show dedicated to climate change’, is to be axed from its prime-time slot and will be cut down from 30 minutes to just 10. Despite the insistence from the Great and Good that climate change is the single most pressing issue of our time, the show prompted tens of thousands of viewers to switch off at the sight of the opening titles.

    The demise of The Daily Climate Show should surprise no one. The public do not think climate is the most important issue. An exclusive poll commissioned by Sky News revealed as much last month. As The Daily Climate Show reported through gritted teeth, around a quarter of Brits are unwilling to change ‘a single key climate habit’. Two-thirds (quite correctly) don’t think that climate change affects them. ‘Not everyone is yet on board with the UK’s journey to Net Zero’, bemoaned correspondent Lisa Holland.

    This is a big problem for a TV show whose clear aim has been not just to report on climate change, but also to propagandise in favour of climate action – which is usually a demand for ordinary people to change their supposedly polluting behaviour. ‘While the climate crisis is happening, we can slow it’, declared host Anna Jones on the show’s first episode last year. This is activism, not news. And it shows in the output.

    The need to find daily news stories about the so-called climate crisis has led to some truly bizarre editorial judgements. The first episode featured a segment on the General Election in Greenland and the victorious party’s pledge for a moratorium on the mining of rare-earth minerals. In other episodes, we learned of the fate of gas projects in Mozambique. However serious these issues might be for the countries affected, they are not exactly subjects worthy of prime-time treatment by a UK broadcaster. No wonder people switched off in droves.

    When there was not enough climate news to cover (ie, on most days), The Daily Climate Show simply framed a news issue around the climate. So the German elections became ‘the climate elections’, and NATO’s withdrawal from Afghanistan and the impending takeover by the Taliban became a prompt to ask: ‘Is Afghanistan vulnerable to climate change?’

    On other occasions, as you might expect, the show strayed into outright alarmism and scaremongering to capture the viewers’ attention. To highlight the issue of rising sea levels, The Daily Climate Show produced a graphic showing Buckingham Palace underwater. No matter that many countries and cities are already below sea level and are doing just fine (Amsterdam is 6ft below sea level). Such doom-mongering is now so commonplace and so transparently nonsensical that most people have become inured to it.

    Initiatives like The Daily Climate Show are what happen when broadcasters and media institutions lose sight of their core mission – to inform or entertain the viewing public. Instead, broadcasters now see it as their role to agitate for climate action, seemingly at the expense of all other considerations – from journalistic integrity to that plain old-fashioned sense of what’s newsworthy.

    Sky, like other big businesses and institutions, seems to be totally captured by climate ideology. It has committed itself to a Net Zero target. And last year it partnered with COP26, the UN climate conference hosted in Glasgow. ‘We know we have a responsibility to use our reach and our voice to create positive change, with our television content and our products in the homes of millions of customers across Europe’, said Jeremy Darroch, then CEO of Sky, when announcing the partnership.

    In anticipation of COP26, Sky produced a report in tandem with the Behavioural Insights Team, aka the Nudge Unit. The Nudge Unit was initially set up by the UK government (it is still part-owned by the Cabinet Office) with the aim of using behavioural science to ‘nudge’ people, subconsciously, to adopt certain behaviours and habits. The Sky / Nudge Unit report argued that broadcasters should try to change the ‘attitudes and behaviours of citizens’ to make them more eco-friendly. It said that green, ‘sustainable’ behaviours should be promoted across broadcasting not just in the news, but also ‘in the actions of [fictional] characters’ and in ‘DIY, travel and cookery shows’.

    But for such ‘nudging’ to work, viewers have to tune in first. The demise of The Daily Climate Show is yet more evidence that climate change remains an elite concern. While green ideology has the support of many loud and shrill activists, and of major institutions across the public and private sectors, what it cannot count on is the support of the public.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/05/24/why-sky-news-climate-show-flopped/

    • “climate change remains an elite concern”

      It is a convenient issue that has been taken hold of by politicians. People are a lot more concerned with high prices of goods, empty shelves in stores, and extraordinarily high cost housing.

    • Fred says:

      With the mandated turndown of air conditioners, cancellation of flights, fuel and power price rises and shortages etc, people will be ‘taking action on climate change’ whether they like it or not.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        As Greta’s emaciated body screams for a piece of roasted baby flesh… but there is none to be had… she’ll gently lay her head upon the grass … look at the crystal clear blue skies with no jet trails … take in a final breath of unpolluted air… and think to herself… Fast Eddy was right about TINA…. and then die

        • Tim Groves says:

          Wot, no face-ripping? No ravishing by the hordes? No enslavement into the local warlord’s harem? She’s bound to feel a little bit short-changed.

  5. Herbie Ficklestein says:

    Ötzi the Iceman and the Copper Age World
    142,916 views · 5 days ago

    5,000 years ago this chap lost his life in the Alps from an arrow in his back…
    He laid dead there until discovered and was well preserved with his belongings..
    Read a book about him decades ago and this YouTube video of over 40 minutes covers recent research …has a minute log to skip over parts..
    Amazing findings from the frozen body…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtEt-S7wKmg

    A glimpse of what life was and is going to be after the bottleneck if any survive

    Over five thousand years ago in the Tyrolian Alps, a hunter was shot to death in a high mountain pass. His body would be covered by a glacier and preserved until its discovery in 1991.

    What can this unprecedented level of preservation tell us about not only Ötzi the Tyrolian Iceman… but the Copper Age world that he came from?

    — If you enjoy my videos please consider supporting the channel —

    New insights into the Tyrolean Iceman’s origin – A. Keller et al (2011)
    Land use in the eastern alps during the bronze age – A. Schmidl (2005)
    Neolithic and Bronze Age Archery Equipment from Alpine Ice – Junkmanns et al (2019)
    Mobility in the Mountains: Late Third and Second Millennia Alpine Societies’ Engagements with the High-Altitude Zones in the Southern French Alps – K. Walsh and F. Mocci (2011)
    The Iceman’s Last Meal – Maixner et al (2018)
    Prehistoric landscapes of the Dolomites – Visentin (2015)
    Seventy-five mosses and liverworts found frozen with the late Neolithic Tyrolean Iceman – James Dickson (2019)
    Therapeutic Tattoos and Ancient Mummies – Dario Piombino-Mascali and Lars Krutak (2020)
    Metal Casting Equipment in the Bronze Age Burials in Europe – А. V. Batasova (2021)
    The Iceman’s lithic toolkit: Raw material, technology, typology and use – Ursula Wierer et al (2018)
    The Late Neolithic settlement of Latsch, Vinschgau, northern Italy: subsistence of a settlement contemporary with the Alpine Iceman, and located in his valley of origin – Daniela Festi et al (2011)

    00 Ötzi the Iceman
    03:26 Sponsorship
    04:30 Who was Ötzi?
    05:07 Ötzi’s Clothing
    06:16 Ötzi’s Gear
    07:45 How old was Ötzi?
    07:55 How big was Ötzi?
    09:00 Ötzi’s Diet
    10:18 Ötzi’s Medical Conditions
    11:17 Ötzi’s Tattoos
    11:54 Ötzi’s Health
    14:05 What did Ötzi look like?
    16:31 Was Ötzi a metalworker?
    20:22 Was Ötzi a shepherd?
    22:36 Was Ötzi vegetarian?
    22:55 The Neolithic diet
    24:37 Was Ötzi a hunter?
    26:16 Was Ötzi a warrior?
    27:50 Copper Age Europe
    29:31 Where did Ötzi live?
    31:00 What culture did Ötzi come from?
    34:24 Ötzi’s DNA
    35:07 Copper use in Neolithic Europe
    36:06 the Oldest Wheels in the World
    36:52 Ötzi’s relatives
    37:47 Ötzi’s last hours – what actually happened?

    He’s on display in a museum…

    • Interesting insights into what life might have been like 5,000 years ago in the alps. Copper tools. Signs of lots of modern diseases and prior broken bones in his body. Varied diet didn’t really fend off all his problems. Died at about 46 years of age from an arrow in his back, according to one theory.

      • drb753 says:

        I read about it years ago. The diet was already mixed due to it being a transition time from hunter to agricultural societies. He had in his intestine DNA of mountain goat and mountain sheep, but also both emmer and einkorn wheat. He was well into an age where dental cavities had appeared for example. No prizes for guessing what caused the onset of modern diseases.

        • Thanks! Things weren’t going terribly well, even 5,000 years ago. I presume that people were already grinding up grain then. Rice, which is usually not ground up, tends to be less bad for the health. Barley is another grain typically eaten whole, as is quinoa.

        • Herbie Ficklestein says:

          Yes, From what I remember there was a tussle of “ownership” of this mummified corpse, by Italy and Austria….and it was later..

          But when researchers learned that the mummy had been found on the Italian side of the Alps, 100 feet (30 m) from the Austrian border, the Italian government claimed the remains, Smithsonian Magazine reported. Austria agreed, and six years later, Ötzi was transferred to the South Tyrol Museum of Archaeology.Dec 14, 2021

          https://www.livescience.com/otzi-the-iceman#:~:text=But%20when%20researchers%20learned%20that,South%20Tyrol%20Museum%20of%20Archaeology.

          Ötzi the Iceman was discovered by two German hikers who were crossing the Tisenjoch Pass at an elevation of 10,530 feet (3,210 meters) above the Ötztal Valley in western Austria in September 1991. The hikers were skirting a glacier on the border of Austria and Italy when they noticed the upper part of a human body protruding from the ice.

          “The mummy was found lying outstretched on his stomach,” Hersel said. “The left arm was strongly angled to the right and lay under the chin.”

          That summer had been particularly warm, Hersel said, and the high temperatures aided in exposing Ötzi’s remains. “There had been a warm Sahara wind that brought sand to the glacier in which Ötzi was stuck,” she said. “So it was not pure white but covered with red sand and melted even quicker.”

          Austria agreed, and six years later, Ötzi was transferred to the South Tyrol Museum of Archaeology. There, he is housed in a special “cold cell,” which is kept at a constant 20.3 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 6.5 degrees Celsius) and can be viewed through a small window. His artifacts and clothing are also on display.

  6. Mirror on the wall says:

    Spiked have begun to panic that energy is the ‘big picture’. But they still assume that ‘energy-security’ is within the remit and the gift of the British State.

    One thing that I will relate about [actually withheld].

    > Sunak’s [UK] sticking plaster

    The government has been forced to respond to problems of its own making.

    …. Sunak’s [state handout of cash] measures will be a welcome relief to millions. But we need to start looking at the bigger picture, and looking for more radical solutions. The key driver of the cost-of-living crisis has been the soaring cost of energy, whose underlying causes remain largely untouched. And the government must take a great deal of blame here.

    For decades, instead of ensuring the UK has plentiful, reliable supplies of cheap energy, governments of all stripes have prioritised decarbonising our energy supply. And this has involved pushing up energy prices, both directly (through green levies and other taxes) and indirectly by discouraging investment in fossil-fuel extraction, while heavily subsidising unreliable, renewable forms of energy production.

    It is striking that it took Russia’s invasion of Ukraine for the UK government to even develop an energy-security strategy. But this will offer no relief to families struggling in the short term. And nor does it have the ambition necessary to be truly transformative. As long as Net Zero looms large in our energy policy, then the energy needs of households and industry will always be secondary concerns at best. And that means we will have high prices and unreliable supply.

    The energy situation has become so untenable that the government is now having to shield us from the consequences of its own policies. It is in reactive mode, responding to the problems of its own making. We need more than Sunak’s sticking plasters if we are ever to escape this slump.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/05/27/sunaks-sticking-plaster/

    • No kidding! It seems like people will start to see through the silliness of subsidizing renewable energy at the expense of fossil fuels.

    • Fred says:

      How is “energy security” is possible when supplies are declining? There’s no policy that can create more supplies.

      If they could bring themselves to stop doing exactly the wrong things, maybe that could make the journey down less unpleasant. Forlorn hope though most likely.

      • Tsubion says:

        I don’t think the authorities are capable of stopping doing the wrong things. They will double down on the actions that destroy what’s left of industrial civilisation.

        • Tim Groves says:

          Did Maurice actually say that? Perhaps I should ask Snopes? It certainly sounds like something he might have said, but then again, you can’t believe everything you read on the Internet.

          TUESDAY 6-10-08…The idea of a carbon footprint calculator was conjured up by Maurice Strong who organized the first World Environmental Summit in Stockholm, Sweden, in 1972. In 1990, Strong attended the World Economic Forum which was held in Davos, Switzerland, where 1,000 diplomats, CEO’s and politicians gathered to address global issues. He became good friends with Al Gore.

          It was at that meeting in 1990, where Strong told a reporter “the real goal of the Earth Charter is it will in fact become like the Ten Commandments. It will become a symbol of the aspirations and commitments of people everywhere.” He then advanced this scenario: “What if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries? In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring this about?”

          By 1992, Strong was selected to chair the 1992 UN Conference and Environment and Development in Rio. He then became senior advisor to then-UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and currently serves on the board of the World Economic Forum.
          When Al Gore’s book “Earth in the Balance” came out, one could see the influence Maurice Strong had on our then-Vice President. With Strong openly speculating about a collapse of Western industrial society being necessary, so too does Al Gore’s book. What instrument does one use to cause such a collapse?

          Dr. Timothy Ball, renowned environmental consultant and former climatologic professor at the University of Winnipeg uses this analogy: “You can squeeze the fuel line and starve the engine…or you can stop an engine by plugging the exhaust.

          Maurice Strong’s method is not a physical stop as one would do with an engine, but a metaphorical stop. Show how one part of the industrial exhaust is causing catastrophic global warming, putting the survival of the planet in jeopardy….and you have your instrument.”

          Isn’t that exactly what we’re seeing happening today?

          https://bsnotebook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/the-ten-green-commandments-coming-soon-forcibly-to-you/

  7. Fast Eddy says:

    Coronavirus cluster with more transmissive Omicron subvariant expands to Wan Chai; Hong Kong logs 250 new cases

    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3179496/coronavirus-cluster-more-transmissive-omicron

    Amazing how covid keeps mutating … 2.5 years now and it’s still going strong! Can anyone remember a respiratory illness that does this? What happened to herd immunity???

    Oh right…. leaky vaccines

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Some people had a cold in Timbuktu… who even cares?

    • The common cold has also had a very long run. It is also a coronavirus. Immunity doesn’t last long.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The common cold does not rip through the global population constantly mutating and re-infecting like covid has been doing for 2.5 year….

        There is nothing even remotely close to this….

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          It is stunning to see that you have learnt so much about coronaviruses over the past two years. Your constant focus on the topic has really paid off! If only everyone was as bright. No doubt your understanding of coronaviruses will deepen even further over another two years…………….. Thanks to Gail for hosting so much of his content on the matter, it has really paid off.

  8. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Buried in the United Nations’ 2022 ‘Global Assessment Report on Disaster Risk Reduction’ published in May is the finding that escalating synergies between disasters, economic vulnerabilities and ecosystem failures are escalating the risk of a “global collapse” scenario.

    “This stark conclusion appears to be the first time that the UN has issued a flagship global report finding that existing global policies are accelerating toward the collapse of human civilisation.”

    https://bylinetimes.com/2022/05/26/un-warns-of-total-societal-collapse-due-to-breaching-of-planetary-boundaries/

    • Wow! But it looks like inadequate cheap energy supply is not mentioned.

      The article says:

      Buried in the report, which was endorsed by UN Secretary-General António Guterres, is the finding that escalating synergies between disasters, economic vulnerabilities and ecosystem failures are escalating the risk of a “global collapse” scenario.

      • >>>>the finding that escalating synergies between disasters, economic vulnerabilities and ecosystem failures are escalating the risk of a “global collapse” scenario.<<<<<

        seems that a few people in high places have finally got around to reading the non-conspiratorial parts of OFW, as a last resort.

        i think it might be too late

    • Fast Eddy says:

      UN Warns of ‘Total Societal Collapse’
      Due to Breaching of Planetary Boundaries

      Quite the headline! UEP.

  9. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Value of Lebanese pound drops to all-time low.

    “The black market value of the Lebanese pound has fallen to an all-time low of 35,600 against the US dollar, a drop from 26,800 in the space of just two weeks, and a sign that Lebanon’s economic crisis is set to continue to cripple the country.”

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/26/lebanese-pound-value-drops-to-lowest-level

  10. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Nigeria finance minister: low oil output barely enough to cover petrol imports.

    “”We are not seeing the revenues that we had planned for,” Zainab Ahmed said. “When the production is low it means we’re … barely able to cover the volumes that are required for the (petrol) that we need to import.”

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nigeria-finance-minister-low-oil-output-barely-enough-cover-petrol-imports-2022-05-26/

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “‘We don’t have food’: African leaders meet as crises grow.

      “African leaders have gathered for a summit in Malabo, Equatorial Guinea, to address growing humanitarian needs on the continent, which is also facing increased violent extremism, climate change challenges and a run of military coups.”

      https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/food-african-leaders-meet-crises-grow-85021185

      • What Africa has is rapidly rising population. It is almost impossible to provide jobs, housing, roads and food for the many new people. The US provided antibiotics and some basic health care, but these efforts led to a much higher population. Education of mothers did not prove to be an effective birth control method.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        They forgot to mention Ukraine….

        When do the food riots start? I Wanna Watch. I Wanna Watch. I Wanna See Our Future

      • the abc news article reads exactly the same as Putin is doing to Ukraine, and by extension, the rest of the world

  11. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Pakistani rupee drops to all-time low as IMF tranche talks fail.

    “Pakistan’s rupee hit a historic low on Thursday of 202.01 against the US dollar in the interbank market, below the previous close of 201.92, after the failure of talks with the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Pakistan and the IMF have failed to reach a staff-level agreement…”

    https://www.geo.tv/latest/419047-pakistani-rupee-drops-to-all-time-low-as-imf-tranche-talks-failed

  12. Harry McGibbs says:

    “India seen facing wider coal shortages, worsening power outage risks.

    “The energy-hungry nation expects local coal supply to fall 42.5 million tonnes short of demand in the September quarter, 15% higher than previously projected, due to higher growth in power demand and lower output from some mines. The grim forecast shows the extent of the fuel shortage in India…”

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/india-seen-facing-wider-coal-shortages-worsening-power-outage-risks/articleshow/91842445.cms

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “As heat cuts power in India’s ‘coal capital’, locals seek fair energy share…

      “Jharkhand locals say the lack of power is unfair on their state, whose coal reserves light up big cities and power the nation’s industries.”

        • It doesn’t sound like the best of planning was done. This is an excerpt from the article:

          Household power connections in Jharkhand have shot up to 5 million in the past three years from 3 million, thanks to state schemes to electrify rural areas and the return of several hundred thousand migrants from cities during COVID-19 lockdowns, some of whom stayed, officials said.

          That has boosted power demand, even as a large share of new consumers cannot afford to pay bills.

          About 2.5 million power connections belong to very poor people in semi-urban and remote villages, where there is high demand from cottage industries but revenue generation is low largely because of billing and payment issues, said officials.

          This reminds me of the mortgages given in the US in the early 2000s to those with “No Incomes, No Jobs.” It temporarily added to the demand for housing, but there was soon a debt bubble crash.

          • Xabier says:

            One may surmise that politicians probably get votes by bringing electricity to the villages and outskirts of towns in India.

            Electricity only arrived in this village – a mere 3 miles from the centre of Cambridge, with its science and engineering labs, etc – in 1939: just in time for the blackout of WW2.

            Will it make the 100th Anniversary? New cables were laid recently, but one wonders…..

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Given the fertilizer situation … if that is true … hard to see us making to the next winter in the northern hemi…. starvation surely begins before winter… if inflation does no shred BAU first….

      Hurry UeP

    • Peak coal is a big issue. It has not gotten enough attention.

      • Xabier says:

        Like the stokers in the boiler room of the big ocean liners: who ever thought of them?

  13. Fast Eddy says:

    Now suddenly LTG is a sinister book hahahaha

    https://www.clubofrome.org/publication/the-limits-to-growth/

    Get this book wherever you can.

    Rolling blackouts, increased energy and food prices by design is orchestrated purposefully to put limits on the population numbers.

    It is called Planned Austerity. Ist World Countries are to be brought down first whilst simultaneously funding through their taxes the raising of the 3rd World to economic parity.

    https://t.me/robinmg/19952

    Duh…. I guess yeadon etc think we can grow infinitely on a finite planet…. Whatever the book suggests as a response to the out of control cancer is not possible … so mike has nothing to be concerned about — he’s not going to be hacked and chipped…

    hahahaha..

    What people will believe… when put under insane pressure

    • Kowalainen says:

      I kind of like it. Imagine all the poor sods in the third world being able to enter into the world of postmodernist tryhard and MOARon.

      So many temptations, so little time… ⏳

      Yes, a bit of opulence in the form of electricity, clean water, oats and a bicycle to turn the cranks on would make a world of difference one could postulate based on observation.

      But it won’t stop there, oh no. Brace for the obligatory vanities, prestiges, statuses and insecurities shoved through social media and MSM straight up the primate rear end regions.

      Oh la, la, la.
      YOLO!
      MOAR!

      🤣👍👍

    • Practically no one would publicly believe the scenarios suggesting how the future might play out were initially created. Now it is becoming increasingly clear that they are right.

      The “solutions” suggested back then couldn’t really be implemented. Now, people look at forecasts of what might be available, and come up with the best mitigations that they can.

  14. Harry McGibbs says:

    “China is driving a slump in hours worked globally…

    “…the global labor market’s recovery has just gone into reverse… A new report by the International Labor Organization finds that the total global hours worked in the first quarter of 2022 is still 3.8% below the pre-pandemic benchmark, erasing gains made in 2021’s fourth quarter.”

    https://qz.com/2169994/chinas-covid-lockdowns-drive-slump-in-global-hours-worked/

  15. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Oil snaps inverse dollar link leaving little to check its bull run.

    “Oil’s bull run is taking little notice of the strong U.S. dollar, breaking crude’s historical inverse link… The dollar and oil have been moving in the same direction since late March and analysts expect the link to persist given the tight oil market and broader risks to the global economy.”

    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-snaps-inverse-dollar-leaving-095721811.html

  16. Harry McGibbs says:

    “The world is totally unprepared for the looming risk of recession…

    “We can say that the Covid crisis created a once-in-a-generation economic crisis which has justified constant use of the magic money tree (read: vast money printing and borrowing) to get through it, but in truth we’ve had three major economic upsets in the space of 13 years…

    “One might argue the real problem is that the sun has never shone brightly enough since the financial crash for the roof to get fixed.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/27/world-totally-unprepared-looming-risk-recession/

  17. Fast Eddy says:

    Did you hear the one about a country that injected its population with a product to protect them against a disease that wasn’t deadly and ended up killing them with the product instead?

    https://metatron.substack.com/p/south-korea-not-funny-joke

    https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F736d0166-3f66-4be4-b29c-0b9880f04e0f_717x1139.png

    hahahahahaha I am laughing… norm mike are you laughing?

  18. Fast Eddy says:

    The School District Chief of Police Gave the Order to Delay Entry into the School

    https://rumble.com/v16cd0a-the-school-district-chief-of-police-gave-the-order-to-delay-entry-into-the-.html

    Who ordered him to give the order????

  19. Fast Eddy says:

    The Armed School Resource Officer, Normally Stationed at the Uvalde School, Was Not on Campus During the Shooting

    https://rumble.com/v16cavm-the-uvalde-armed-school-resource-officer-was-not-on-campus-during-the-shoot.html

    Just like the cameras were off at the subway station and in Epstein’s cell… hmmmm…..

  20. theedrich says:

    At some level the creatures who run the show behind Biden (i.e., the anonymous “they”) recognize that America itself is nearing collapse, for the reasons Gail has elucidated above and in former posts. That is quite probably the primary reason why it has provoked this proxy war in Ukraine. It hopes thereby to subjugate Russia as it did Germany and Japan, and take its natural resources for free, in order to stave off its own inevitable demise. But the American missionary impulse to conquer or die, formerly successful, is now leading to Ragnarök.

    • Tsubion says:

      From the LEO Starlink sattelite perspective our species and many others are indeed prisoners of the boom and bust cycle that all systems go through. As Gail has said, these self-organising systems “run out of steam” even as they appear to be doing better than ever.

      That knowledge formed part of all ancient cultures (the ouroboros world serpent, as above so below, yin and yang, alpha and omega) and the hidden elites today (not the puppets like Kissenger, Soros, Gates, Musk, Rothschild, Rockeffeler, Blackrock, Vanguard, and other privateer cartels) know perfectly well that a cycle is coming to an end and another may be beginning in the same way that all star systems are born and at the end of their lives fade into insignificance (in a black hole kind of way).

      The capitalistic mid-level puppets are only concerned with money, maintaining what little waning power they have left (or the illusion of it) and saving their own skins. Historically speaking, these mid-level managers have been torn apart by their own people, their own guards, their own families. In their place, I suspect we’ll see military types like Bolsonaro, police captains etc who organise the rabble in a no fuss, no exceptions populist dictatorship. The clean up process will include rounding up of undesirables (fill in the blank here – any group will do) and reorganising around central control of all remaining resources.

      In other words… short period of chaos. Then rapid settling down into new order. Which most people will be begging for. The leaders in this new self-organised arrangement will have the remainers (for want of a better word) eating out of the palms of their hand. That’s a very powerful arrangement for any species. Ant colonies anyone?

      And all those “silly” worn-out concepts based on libertarian values and individual human rights and democracy and …. you get the idea … well… they were just vaporware in someones short-lived fever dream.

      Time to wake up!

      • Kowalainen says:

        Well; yeah, that’s another Aristotelian hypothesis likely based on your psychology, innit?

        Either way, primates gonna primate, it is just a matter of circumstances. Boom and bust until the sun throws in the towel or some planet killer crosses earths path through the void.

        One thing is for sure; everything is imaginary conjecture with regards to the future, except for the fact that primates gonna primate.

      • Xabier says:

        Wake up?

        ‘Frankly, my dear,’ I would rather Dream.

        Which is rather a speciality of our species, although dogs seem to do it too.

        And through dreams, or so it was said, the gods speak to us and offer counsel.

        The ‘dream-hospitals’ ( as I call them, in other words healing shrines with in-patients) of Ancient Greece are very interesting in that regard.

        But, less seriously, the populist autocracies you envisage will only be a short-lived stage before the real Collapse (which is by definition stabilisation at a lower flow of energy and organisation, or extinction) : they are SO 20th century and entirely fossil-fuel dependent.

        Anyway, the thought of being ruled by a general or police officer is too ghastly for words.

        I might even prefer a Rothschild, ghetto-trash that they are……..

    • I needed to look up Ragnarök. According to Wikipedia,

      In Norse mythology, Ragnarök is a series of events, including a great battle, foretelling the death of a number of great figures (including the gods Odin, Thor, Týr, Freyr, Heimdallr, and Loki), natural disasters and the submersion of the world in water. After these events, the world will resurface anew and fertile, the surviving and returning gods will meet and the world will be repopulated by two human survivors. Ragnarök is an important event in Norse mythology and has been the subject of scholarly discourse and theory in the history of Germanic studies.

      The US can’t just give up. It needs to try something that might have a chance of success, at least for a while.

      • Tsubion says:

        Don’t worry. Elon will nuke Mars. Yknow… to make it habitable!

        • Kowalainen says:

          Isn’t nukes supposed to be used on super volcanoes to fix a broken biosphere?

          ‘Imma call BS on the mars colony and broken biosphere narratives.

          But I like nukes.
          They are practical for erasing unwanted HSS lineages.
          Let em rip!

  21. Fast Eddy says:

    Arizona Election Fraud Update: Ballot Harvesting Scheme, Felony Charges, Dem Guilty Pleas Incoming? [VIDEO]

    https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/05/arizona-election-fraud-update-ballot-harvesting-scheme-felony-charges-dem-guilty-pleas-incoming-video/

  22. Fast Eddy says:

    Ballot stuffing? They don’t look like Trump supporters https://t.me/VigilantFox/4608

  23. Fast Eddy says:

    Did anyone ask the monkeys?

    “Despite decades of promises and hundreds of thousands of dead monkeys, experiments using monkeys have not resulted in effective vaccines for HIV, tuberculosis, malaria or other dreaded human diseases.” — Lisa Jones-Engel, Ph.D., primate researcher

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/diseased-monkeys-experiments-health-threat/

  24. Herbie Ficklestein says:

    Renewable Electricity Can Meet All of Our Energy Needs
    https://medium.com/climate-conscious/renewables-will-replace-fossil-fuels-for-all-of-our-energy-needs-525baec4a44e

    The following diagram from the US Energy Information Administration (EIA) illustrates the potential in approximate numbers. The current generation of 1,140 gigawatts mentioned earlier translates to the 35.7 quadrillion Btu shown in the diagram in the electric sector. The new capacity for renewable electricity is 1,628 gigawatts assuming all projects that applied for grid connection come online. Using the same factor, that translates to 51 quadrillion Btu. US total energy production is 92.9 quadrillion Btu, so, potentially, almost 55% of our total energy use could be covered just with the projects already in the pipeline. Double that pipeline of projects, and we could potentially replace all energy from all sources with renewably generated electricity.
    Ultimately, the only way to solve climate change is to replace all fossil fuels with renewable sources, including their battery storage capabilities. As consumers, that means we can facilitate this move by electrifying our lives — electrifying your appliances, heat, car, and toys (boats, planes, ATVs, etc.) make a difference. Everything you can do to go electric is a step forward.

    For more of my articles on climate, solar, and the postcapitalist future, click here.

    https://medium.com/@ASignorelli/list/future-solar-postcapitalism-climate-change-articles-by-anthony-signorelli-5de2328070e1

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    No problem, Tony, sounds like a plan and all we need to do is double down and electrify our lives..
    OK, PeeWee Edwin that means YOU…join now and get a 10% discount…tell Tony, Herbie sent you!
    Now that’s au Good boy!

    • Intermittent electricity is not a substitute for very much of anything. It cannot be stored from summer to winter, to keep you warm in winter either.

      • Herbie Ficklestein says:

        But, but, Gail…pur Leaders think or hope otherwise!

        New Zealand and California sign climate agreement
        Fri, May 27, 2022, 6:45 PM
        New Zealand and California pledged to work together to confront climate change by sharing technology and importing Calfornia electric vehicles into New Zealand (May 27)

        Too funny…PeeWee Edwin sure picked the right location to save himself.

      • Dennis L. says:

        First, I am not sure.
        Second, what is there to lose by trying?

        Agriculture: Done in summer, use smaller equipment, more of it, direct charge, no transmission loss, exchangeable battery packs.

        Not sure about heating, have a storage battery in basement of farm home, very large, well, not quite. It is a 1200 gal water tank, next make the flat plate collectors, hook it up and see how it works; heat excess water during day, warm at night. Recent utility bills caught my eye, time to finish the project. Person does need some welding skills, local technical college provided that. Problem, need to install tank prior to building house on top of it, there must be a workaround.

        Interesting point, RTK is available generically, some third party units were available from, hold on, wait, wait, Ukraine. Imagine that. Chips for RTK are Swiss, about $500/set last I looked plus some knowledge to hook them up. No it is not trivial, JD is in the tens of thousands for the RTK units. Find a map of Texas placed over Ukraine, such a small state, Texas.

        There will be opportunity, go for it. Study diesel mechanics, study electronics, be useful and charge for it.

        Concerned about the other direction? Go Amish, are they around my farm, it works, very nice buggies, one farmer had a great foaling season, cute little critters. They tie the younger horses in the ditches by the edge of the road, gets the horse used to cars; pretty inventive.

        They probably don’t have internet so they can’t sit around and become depressed over doom, they haven’t heard about it yet; horses are diesel free. One guy is very progressive, he has a true, five horse power plow, runs it standing up for ballast. Crazy environmentalists would probably want to attach a catalytic converter to deal with methane discharges.

        Have a great, positive day.

        Dennis L.

        • Tsubion says:

          Cows and donkeys work too. We had cow carts around here unitl the eighties! A few donkeys after that. Now everyone has their own sit down mowers! And tractors. And electric maintenance equipment with multiple battery packs.

  25. Fast Eddy says:

    A drug which sends users into a paranoid frenzy where they act like zombies, hide from imaginary assailants and strip naked as their body overheats has hit Australia.

    Called flakka, and known on the street as ‘gravel’ and by chemists as alpha-PVP, it has become known as America’s scariest drugs.

    Its extreme effect on the body means up to four police officers are needed to restrain a person high on the drug.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3270290/The-scary-new-drug-called-flakka-makes-people-jumpo-balconies-claim-God-sale-just-15-Australia.html

    Hmmm… I wonder what would happen if you gave someone lots of this (or even better drugs cooked up by FBI/CIA scientists)… over an extended period of time…. and you sat them in a room with a team of psychologists tasked with convincing them they needed to shoot up a school…

    • D. Stevens says:

      “A drug which sends users into a paranoid frenzy where they act like zombies, hide from imaginary assailants and strip naked as their body overheats”

      Same thing happens to me when there are 10 consecutive Fast Eddy posts

      • drb753 says:

        But what happens when there are thirty in a row, with 3 links posted a total of 8 times?

      • Yorchichan says:

        When there aren’t, the withdrawal symptoms for me are even worse.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          If FE’s daily quota of 100+ posts was not reached…. there would be soosisides….

          We need The Messiah … as we circle the drain to hell

          BTW – the sparky came — he worked out that a timer switch was problematic and reset it — and the 3 massive tanks up the hill began filling from the bore pump…. and like magic… water.

  26. banned says:

    It is spring and i had a window wide open. Two swallows entered. I have a very high bookshelf and she has decided thats her nest. Its been three days now. i have done everything you can do without taking a broom and killing them. He has been very chivalrous offering himself up for destruction. He has also had the good sense to leave several times. she has decided.

    No amount of negative reinforcement will change her mind. Oh i have laid it down big time. This is how it is for life forms and maximum power principle. I dont have it in me to kill them. Rats no problem. swallows no. Its a Mexican standoff. (can you say that?) Only time will tell. Two swallows enter. One man leaves.

    The strait of hormez. Was it always going to be that? Too much energy passing through a bottleneck not to get some action. Well just roll the tanks. And they need what? fuel. And where does the fuel come from? Strait of hormez.

    We need EV tanks ASAP!

    They are going to be pining for negotiations with Putin after a while with these guys. Yearning.

    USA is going to let it slide. Just like the attack on the saudi refinery a couple a years ago. Why? see above.

    BUT

    Only until we get the EV tanks built! then there will be a reckoning!

  27. Fast Eddy says:

    Uvalde Mother Placed in Handcuffs by Federal Marshals For Attempting to Enter School to Save Her Child While Salvador Ramos Went on Killing Spree

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/uvalde-mother-placed-handcuffs-federal-marshals-attempting-enter-school-save-child-salvador-ramos-went-killing-spree/

    I guess they thought John Rambo was the shooter?

  28. Fast Eddy says:

    Covid Vaccines – 69,466 Deaths in England
    * Within 28 days of positive vaccination

    Before I even start, obviously the headline is extremely misleading, there weren’t 69,466 deaths in England due to vaccines. You need to read the subtitle ‘* within 28 days of positive vaccination’ for some context. However, these are the kind of misleading stats that were produced daily to scare the public and justify damaging lockdowns.

    So, playing the propaganda machine at its own game, there were indeed 69,466 deaths in England, within 28 days of COVID-19 vaccination. This data comes from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) in the UK which looked at deaths in England, grouped by weeks after vaccination, between 1 January 2020 and 31 March 2022.

    During the same time, there were 80,003 deaths within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test. Very similar numbers. Imagine the uproar and ridicule there would be if it was suggested in the MSM that vaccines had caused all these deaths and that we need to shut down the economy because of it. I know there are differences in my comparison but hopefully you get the gist.

    https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/covid-vaccines-69466-deaths-in-england

  29. Ed says:

    Norman, I enjoyed your article that included Saudi’s Mercedes will only have value as chicken coops.

  30. Fast Eddy says:

    Guidothekp1 hr ago
    This information is dated. The article is from q1 2021. India has since undertaken forced vaccination approach for everybody including kids. Peter Hortez is the chief culprit and he is doing a Gates there — he’s playing with Novovax and a modification of it on Indians; he wants a Nobel for his Weinstein/Bill tactics of sticking things into people. On top of it, well to do Indians have been coming up and getting vaccinated with AstroZeneca — it is not made in India like the alternative and must be good because it is made in the West. The push is huge and the belief in vaccinations among educated people is so much that they would be labeled right wing for their almost religious beliefs in vaccines. A few famous people died in 2021. That has had a pull back effect but educated trust what they have read in books, even if it is a typo (this is the educational system that British used to keep the population from asking obvious questions about freedom).

    The sheeple in India, the bribed politicians, and the pharma mafia, have made sure that India is no different from here. I suspect the huge delta wave in summer 2021 in India may have had something to do with AstroZeneca administered in spring 2021.

    I would wait for the next wave to see if their immune system is so set as this article claims.

    https://palexander.substack.com/p/india-why-it-is-so-different-today/comments?s=r

    Sweden also had defeated covid – using Focused Protection — but they injected everyone for some reason … now why do that?

    • Aravind says:

      Not sure who wrote that (was it a comment at Dr. Alexander’s substack?)., but it is factually wrong. There is no government stipulated vaccine mandate here in India. Infact, there have been a few cases that went all the way to the Supreme Court and in each of them, the Government of India had to file affidavits stating that getting these injections is voluntary and that there are no mandates. The Supreme Court has ruled that no govt. service can be denied to a citizen just because the person is not vaccinated. And nobody here cares any way.

  31. Fast Eddy says:

    Att: Doomie Preppers…

    As M Fast went out the door at 830 she exclaimed — Fast there’s no water! Fast… still under the covers with Hoolio (my son)…. looks up – no water??? no water.. WTF no water…. Fast not trusting M Fast goes to the bathroom and turns the knob… hmmm… no water… she’s right…

    Fast quickly scans his database for an explanation … it’s cold but not enough to burst a pipe – nowhere near that cold overnight… gotta be a pump or a switch – something electrical…

    Two options – put a barrel into a back of the ute and go to the river and fill er up… or … call the sparky and hope that he’s able to make and emergency call out and will have the parts for fix what’s broken…

    Ah he’s messaged – he’s got his kids sports this morning but will come at 130…

    Question – what would I do if there is no sparky and no spare parts? And no diesel to haul water from the river?

    • Hubbs says:

      CHS citing old Chinese Proverb:

      “By the time you’re thirsty, it’s too late to dig a well.”

      https://mailchi.mp/dollarcollapse/charles-hugh-smith-livelihoods-in-a-degrowth-economy?e=1bb9c8d26b

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Bit hard to dig a well in shale rock.

      • This is a better link to the article you are referring to.

        http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2022/05/livelihoods-in-degrowth-economy.html

        I agree the proverb you mention is good. Otherwise, I am not so sure about it. He talks about being adaptable and anti-fragile. He says,

        “The diploma actually tells us very little about the graduate. We learn much more from someone who accredits themselves by documenting projects they’ve completed.”

        I agree, but with conditions changing, similar new projects may not be possible.

        He says, “The only real source of prosperity is improving productivity: doing more with fewer resources and labor.”

        As I see it, the way to get improved productivity is by using more energy resources (mostly fossil fuel) to leverage human labor. This is increasingly less possible. But CHS doesn’t explain this point.

        Hs says, ” The sooner we start preparing for degrowth, the better off we’ll be.”

        I am not certain of this. Our economic system doesn’t work with de-growth. You can’t save up money for degrowth. Maybe you can be one of the few people who can successfully provide food, water, and fuel for your family, but I wouldn’t count on success for most people. Physical security is another issue. I expect that private security forces will be needed many places.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I knew an old man who lived through the great depression — he lived in an old shack of a farmhouse… and he would thrown nothing out… not even a scrap of wire …

          Because he remembers when there was no money – there was just total desperation … nothing was wasted…

          That is what degrowth looks like…. of course if it is not reversed – and it cannot be because we’ve burned up the cheap energy already — it leads to collapse.

          Now imagine what that looks like if there was total desperation during the depression….

          Ripping Faces Time

    • Hideaway says:

      You could just catch it off the roof like we do …

    • Tim Groves says:

      It could be an airlock. Depending on your situation, sometimes you can fix them by getting water from an outside source via a hose pipe and shooting it into an open tap.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        It was an electronic issue with the bore pump … it took the sparky quite a while to work it out.

  32. Fast Eddy says:

    India: why it is so different today, near 90% likely naturally immune/antibodies, one of least vaccinated nations, uses early & prophylaxis drugs; why does Portugal and Israel graph look so different?

    https://palexander.substack.com/p/india-why-it-is-so-different-today

    https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe090f201-291d-4f61-b91c-b77eeb1cac5e_3400x2400.png

  33. Slowly at first says:

    The human body appears to require a complex assortment of nutrients in order to maintain an optimal level of well-being. Foods containing these vital nutrients must be shipped from distant regions of the planet.

    • I think that part of the problem is that local soils have been “mined” of the necessary nutrients. Then human waste has been moved far away from where it was created. Food and waste for animals we eat faces a similar problem.

  34. Mirror on the wall says:

  35. Rodster says:

    Chris Martenson has a different take on the Texas shooting and I admit, it’s one I didn’t think about.

    https://peakprosperity.com/informed-consent-livecast-tonight-may-26-7-p-m/

    “Don’t believe everything you’re hearing about the latest horrific school shooting. After reviewing the colossal and unforgivable police failings of the case in Uvalde, Texas, I discuss the role our so-called healthcare system plays in these tragic events.

    It won’t be mentioned much if at all, but the role of overprescribing anti-depressants (SSRIs) and ADHD medications to teenagers that induce violence in young men can no longer be ignored. The data is rock-solid. It’s an even larger unforgivable tragedy that we’re not doing anything about this at the national stage. All posturing. Making it about guns and not about the real crisis at hand. We’re a terrible people on that score.”

    • Fast Eddy says:

      The handler is tasked with feeding the subject these drugs… making him susceptible to suggestions that he should take action against ‘the demons’… culminating in a mass shooting event…. the shooter … was in a zombie like state throughout … does not know why he shot the people… in his disembodied state he can’t believe it was him…

      But the authorities continue to feed him the drugs… maintaining his zombie state… and he disappears into the prison system never to be heard from again.

      Note that the mother insisted her son had never displayed any violent behaviour previously…

      Note that the police were ordered by someone not to intervene for an hour… while the zombie continued shooting more people … we had parents trying to get into the school and stop the shooter … and arrested… but the heavily armed police with bullet proof gear and EXTENSIVE training on how to take down a single shooter (and that training does not involve lounging about eating donuts for an hour)….

      This looks to be a false flag… psyop….

    • I looked through the transcript that Chris Martenson provides. It isn’t perfect, but it gives a pretty good idea Chris is saying.

      Chris is saying the various psychiatric drugs that are being prescribed in large quantities are behind the high level of violence we are seeing behind deaths by gunmen in the schools. In particular, the SSRI drugs being prescribed as antidepressants seem to be problem. Many of these serial gun offenders have been on these drugs at the time of the shootings. Many suicide deaths are also associated with people on these drugs. These drugs are very widely prescribed. Chris says that 16% or 17% of the US population is on one or more of these drugs.

      I am not entirely sure what the underlying story is, and why the US is doing so badly.

      I know that when my father, who was originally trained to be a general practitioner, was cross trained to become a psychiatrist in the mid 1960s, the reason this program was started was because hospitalizing depressed patients was very expensive. The government knew about SSRIs and figured that if patients could be transitioned to drugs, it would save money. The government figured that if they could pay some general practitioners to become psychiatrists, they could learn to prescribe SSRIs and other drugs and empty out the psychiatric hospitals.

      So, my father got into the business of working for a psychiatric hospital, prescribing drugs. My brother does something similar now. My father definitely did not like his new line of work as well as delivering babies, doing surgery, and handing out antibiotics, but the hours were a whole lot more reasonable. The patients that both my father and now my brother see often have a whole lot of problems. Drug addiction, for example. In and out of jail a lot. Difficulty in finding and keeping a job.

      SSRIs drugs are notorious for being problematic (causing suicidal or homicidal thoughts) when they are being increased or decreased in dosage. This is part of the problem Chris Martenson is talking about. I don’t think the problem is as bad, when the dosage is stable.

      A background question is: Why are so many people in such bad shape that they (or the doctors) think that they need these drugs?

      I think that the lack of availability of long-term jobs that pay well and a stable family life are part of the problem. I think that some of what we are seeing is part of the over crowding problem of Calhoun’s rat experiment.

      I am wondering if the American diet is part of the problem as well. One issue I have heard suggested at one time that the US diet is too high in protein. Another potential cause seems to be the lack of an adequate gut biome because the US mix of food does not contain enough fiber and other materials required. Supercharging diets with lots of sugar and soft drinks is likely part of the problem as well.

      There are an awfully lot of people on these drugs. Chris mentions a 1% rate for violence, or perhaps a little higher in some classifications. It would be hard to transition people off these drugs. The 99% not involved with violence would not be happy. Of course, if supply lines break, this will have to happen.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Great way to unhinge a society … feed them these drugs then tell the cops to stand back and let the shooter get his quota before stepping in

      • Minority of One says:

        1% of 16-17% of 330M is about 500,000 people. That would be a lot of people with a form of psychosis looking for a way to vent their violence. Could these drugs go the same way as baby formula?

      • Student says:

        Thank you for this analysis.
        It looks terrible.

  36. My whole purposes below is to extend the life of BAU by an indefinite time by reducing its carrying capacity, so more resources can be used by those who are most likely to lead civilization to the stars.

    Either that or everyone dies

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      okay, so everyone dies.

      no big deal.

    • drb753 says:

      You can go Kulm, and tell us what it is like on Alpha Centauri. We are behind you all the way, and you will be our hero.

    • Ed says:

      Not everyone just 99%.

    • Cromagnon says:

      Oh such drama!

      Our species will decline to whatever carrying capacity is. We will once again be governed by annual solar energy and ecological constraints. The stars were always fantasy.

      • nikoB says:

        It is easier and cheaper to go into the outer reaches of the galaxy in a book. Or a simulation.
        As far as I am aware there is no breakdown service past Pluto. Probably can’t even get insurance.

  37. Rodster says:

    File this under “Conspiracy Fact”

    “Imagine the Compliance – Microchips are Coming”

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/imagine-the-compliance-microchips-are-coming/

    The self-proclaimed elites have gathered in Switzerland at the World Economic Forum (WEF). One of the newest ideas is a microchip in pill form. No, this is not a conspiracy theory. The President of Pfizer spoke publicly about a pill that would dissolve in the stomach and send an immediate signal to all storing your data that you complied and took the pill. “Imagine the implications of that – the compliance!” Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla daydreamed.

    The WEF crowd has publicly shared their ideas to build a total surveillance system and microchip human beings to gain ultimate control. “Once you can hack something, you can also engineer it,” Yuri Harari, Schwab’s top mouthpiece, said in 2018.

    No major media outlet has called out these dystopian plans for total control, and any mention of the topic will result in an instant ban from all social media platforms. Microchips are NOT a conspiracy theory; rather, it is a plan that they are currently devising and will implement once the opportunity presents itself. Do not comply.

    • It is actually to save the world, or at least the better part of it.

      • nikoB says:

        To save the world just neatly pack away all the human society in the boxes it came in.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      You don’t think they publicly shared this to deflect from the real purpose of the Covid injections … which is .. extermination…

      Swallowing a chip … hmmm… how does that tech work? Is there a wifi router with the chip? Power source?

      And what does control look like – do they push buttons a run 8B robots around? Doing what exactly? And why?

      How does this allow them to hack humans? How does this control their bodies and brains?

      Doesn’t the Tee vee already do that much more effectively?

      We are running out of energy… we are on the precipice of doom… and they are trying to chip and hack us… hmmm…..

      I’m not buying that. In fact I think the entire concept is just nonsense.

  38. Nope.avi says:

    https://ourfiniteworld.com/2022/05/17/is-the-debt-bubble-supporting-the-world-economy-in-danger-of-collapsing/comment-page-10/#comment-368787

    “𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘧𝘶𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘯𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘣𝘦 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘵–𝘸𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘰𝘯𝘭𝘺 𝘵𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘢 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘣 𝘢𝘵 𝘪𝘵. 𝘚𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦𝘴 𝘪 𝘩𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘵 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘶𝘵𝘵𝘰𝘯, 𝘰𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘥𝘰𝘯’𝘵.

    𝘏𝘰𝘭𝘥 𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘰 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘳𝘢𝘤𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘴 𝘪𝘧 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘮𝘶𝘴𝘵—𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘐 𝘥𝘰𝘯’𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 ‘𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘩 𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘴’ 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘴 𝘴𝘵𝘶𝘱𝘪𝘥 𝘢𝘴 𝘐’𝘷𝘦 𝘰𝘶𝘵𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘷𝘦.

    𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘺 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘭𝘺 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘴𝘰 𝘴𝘵𝘶𝘱𝘪𝘥 𝘢𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘷𝘦 𝘴𝘰𝘭𝘢𝘳 𝘱𝘰𝘸𝘦𝘳 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘣𝘦 𝘢𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘳𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘢𝘴 𝘰𝘪𝘭.

    𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘪𝘴 𝘢 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘳𝘺 𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘦”

    This leaves only two possibilities. They are either delusional or they are promoting this stuff on purpose as a form of sabotage or out of spite.

    Let us explore your theory that they are taking a “reasonable stab at predicting the future”.

    We have enough preliminary data that shows their policy proposals WILL fail. They have access to the same data. So why do they go on and promote fairy tales, that will lead to immediate “PAIN” as they call it? If their rhetoric is just fantasy, why are there laws being passed to meet carbon emission standards?

    That is is what is wrong with your pardon my french, foolish, theory that they are taking a “reasonable stab at predicting the future”. They can’t be retelling “Fairy tales” and “Taking a reasonable stab at predicting the future ” at the same time.

    https://www.eutimes.net/2022/05/davos-elites-warn-painful-global-transition-should-not-be-resisted-by-nation-states/

    Make up your mind, Norman Pagett.

    • I would point out that people don’t have to believe that solar power will be as desirable as oil, to pursue it. They can believe that oil will not longer be available (in the current quantity, at least) and they need something else to add to the energy mix.

      Many people, especially those believing the climate change models, believe that there is practically an infinite amount of fossil fuels available for our use. They expect that we will be able to tap into them as needed in the future. Thus, solar, especially “space solar” (which is expected to be more or less continuous) might be a reasonable supplement to what other fossil fuels are available. The same idea holds, even for intermittent solar, if lots of battery backup or lots of East-West transmission is available.

      People have been known to be optimistic about what they can aim for in the future.

      • MM says:

        It is perfectly possible that a miracle will happen just 1 day before net energy goes to zero.
        It is absolutely inevitable that one day later that miracle might be useless if it existed at all.
        Until then:

        Happy voting for prosperity!

    • Fast Eddy says:

      As posted earlier … they are doing nothing more than messaging that we are in the process of transitioning to renewable energy…

      They have to obviously demonstrate this is viable — so they must build solar and wind farms… there need to be EVs…

      They know this is a Matrix… but they understand that they need to be convincing when they speak of these initiatives… the mental health of 8B people is at stake….

      We should not confuse their ability to relay this message in a convincing manner… with stupidity…

      Always keep in mind – the hordes cannot handle the truth … so the politicians and elites will sometimes come across as stupid when they speak to the hordes…

      • Minority of One says:

        I doubt that politicians are different from the hordes. They are not elected on the basis of any intelligence or wisdom they might have. As you have stated yourself previously, they are being told a different story from reality to get them on board. There are a few exceptions of course, those who have a clue and integrity. They tend to end up losing their job or dead these days.

  39. Herbie Ficklestein says:

    The important question ⁉️…Will our Peewee Edwin also eventually ….🤞🤪
    The Hill
    G-7 countries agree to ‘eventual’ coal power phaseout

    Rachel Frazin
    Fri, May 27, 2022, 12:40 PM
    A group of major economic powers including the U.S. on Friday said they would agree to eventually phase out coal-fired power, a major contributor to climate change.

    The environment ministers of the Group of Seven (G-7) said in a joint statement on Friday that they would agree to an “eventual” phaseout of “unabated” coal power.

    “Unabated” refers to methods of electricity generation that don’t use technology to capture their climate-warming emissions.

    The G-7 is made up of the U.S., Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United Kingdom.

    Japan is expected to be particularly impacted by the commitment, as the country got 32 percent of its electricity from coal in 2019. Coal makes up nearly 22 percent of the U.S. electricity generation.

    …In their statement, the countries also committed to “predominantly decarbonised electricity sectors by 2035.”…

    ….BAU says…

    And, amid high oil and gasoline prices, the countries also called on oil producers including OPEC — which includes major producers such as Saudi Arabia — to “act in a responsible manner and to respond to tightening international markets.”

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/g-7-countries-agree-eventual-164058168.html

    • “Eventually” makes a good story to tell voters.

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        yes, and while they are virtue signaling with that good story:

        “And, amid high oil and gasoline prices, the countries also called on oil producers including OPEC — which includes major producers such as Saudi Arabia — to “act in a responsible manner and to respond to tightening international markets.” ”

        while the G7 calls for far off coal reduction, they additionally call for increased oil production now.

        bravo, G7, well played.

        clap clap clap.

    • Ed says:

      KSA to act responsibly does that mean more oil or less oil???

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        moar oil, and moar coal.

        I want to maintain my high standard of living.

      • drb753 says:

        It can not be more, it is probably a matter of saying things that are acceptable to the effete western elites, while pumping ever more salt water into Ghawar.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Conveniently we’ll all be dead before 2035…. and they know it.

  40. The financial singularity has arrived.

    https://greyenlightenment.com/2022/03/02/bitcoins-surge-has-nothing-to-do-with-russia/

    > This is part of the post-2009 trend of the ‘financial singularity,’ of all capital converging to just handful of superior assets, regions, and countries, those being Seattle, the Bay Area, Vancouver, the Nasdaq and S&P 500, treasuries, huge American tech stocks, etc. As capitalism becomes smarter and choosier, it stands to reason that fewer assets will benefit, as unfavorable/suboptimal investments are shunned. Russia’s collapse is just a continuation of this trend.

    Ayn Rand was right and wrong. She was right that there would be a Galt’s Gulch. She was wrong that there would be only one Galt’s Gulch.

    There would be three Galt’s Gulches, 50 mile radius area from San Mateo (around the equidistant between San Francisco and San Jose), Seattle and Vancouver. Everything else could go hell, or be worked by slave laborers who won’t leave their quarters, their fruits of labor delivered by robots and driverless trucks.

    Frankly speaking , regions outside of the Hajnal Line had no business being in the 20th and 21st century, and now Europe is depleted. These zones (he also cited Boston but I don’t think it will be defensible in the long run), will be the sanctuaries, the Constantinople of Singularity, from where today’s winners will , hopefully, leave the earth.

    • JesseJames says:

      One problem is…that Russia has not collapsed!
      Most of the rest is similar rubbish.

      • Economically it is less relevant than Australia

        • drb753 says:

          and we all know who australia supports in the current war.

        • Adam says:

          They sure are getting a lot of attention….

        • Very Far Frank says:

          That statement is incorrect, and becoming more obviously incorrect all the time.

          The problem is, the Russians currently have an economy based on tangible commodities and energy resources.

          The West on the other hand, bases its economy on NFTs, hyper-financialized investment products and outright fantasy.

          The way things are going, we’re likely to see a thousand years of ‘God Emperor Putin’…

        • JesseJames says:

          The Russian economy far exceeds that of Australia. What you are regurgitating is the nonsense of comparing GDP based on the dollar. Under this misleading metric, the Russian economy is indeed relatively small. If you look at cost parity results, valuing what Russian economy produces, it is comparable to Germany.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “… the sanctuaries, the Constantinople of Singularity, from where today’s winners will , hopefully, leave the earth.”

      “hopefully”?

      you aren’t sounding very confident at all.

      today’s “winners” have zero chance to “leave the earth”.

      I am VERY confident here.

      all of them soon will enter the nothingness of eternal death.

      The End.

  41. We can do with much less workforce, which breaks the biggest premise of Gail.

    https://greyenlightenment.com/2022/05/26/the-expendables-the-millions-of-americans-that-society-has-no-use-for/

    >The Pareto Principle holds in economics as it does in business. According to the Washington Post, “…nearly 40 percent of overall consumer spending comes from the top fifth of earners — households that earn at least $120,000 a year.” Covid tended to disproportionately affect the old, the infirm, or those with low incomes or unemployed, so the impact to the US economy was not that bad. It’s people with large incomes or retirement savings who are buying pricey Disneyland tickets, home renovations, large SUVs, or Superbowl tickets, not the tens of millions of Americans who are on the margins, on disability, or are just scraping by.

    >The sad and unavoidable reality also is that the opioid epidemic, the ‘disability claims epidemic,’ or the ‘male worker shortage’ is in large part a low IQ epidemic. Society has less use for males who have IQs between 90-105 or so, who cannot cut it in STEM, and who are finding it hard to cope with increasingly competitive economic conditions and higher overall costs like rent, and is why many men are delaying family formation or moving back with parents (but also due to careerism for women).

    I have been to the USS Iowa, a ship boarded by FDR when he went to Tehran for a Conference with Churchill and Stalin. Other than the latest electronics, it had all the comforts most people enjoy nowdays. Other than the digital goods, everything we use everyday was already there by 1936.

    IN 1936, the Pop pf USA was about 130,000,000. I don’t see a problem going back to such levels.

    • Spending is very different for different kinds of goods. The poor spend a much larger share of their incomes on food, basic transportation, and basic housing than others. These things tend to be energy intensive. So the Pareto Principle does not apply in the same way for energy consumption. The rich tend to spend a lot, but a lot of their spending is on lower energy “Services” or on ownership of shares of stocks or bonds.

      The male worker problem is much more complex than what you are describing. Part of the problem has been competition from low-wage countries, holding down wages for manual labor. Part of the problem has been rapidly changing technology, meaning that even if a person has learned one set of skills, those skills are soon outdated. Another part of the problem is vastly excessive higher education costs (in the US, at least). These costs cannot be paid back in any reasonable timeframe without leaving too little to support a family, I am afraid. Contract work is becoming increasingly common. People are expected to work for one employer on a temporary basis, and then move somewhere else, at the whim of the employer. This is not a way for supporting a family. Housing costs are now absurd in many parts of the country, as well.

    • kulm

      the battleship Iowa was a construct of cheap surplus energy

      it was all around you—yet it was invisible. You couldn’t see it for what is was.

      a return to 130m people in the USA would not ‘return to the same era’—

      why not?

      because the supportive energy would cost about 10x as much—maybe more.

      And how is that worked out?

      in the 1930s, the EROEI on a barrel of oil was around 100:1
      Now, the best oilfields in the USA/Canada deliver about 8:1 give or take. That is the critical difference between the 1930s and now.

      The other material needed to build a ship like that, Iron, coal etc etc would have had a similar ratio of return on energy input–ie it was cheap by our standards.

      The comforts ‘we enjoy nowadays’ were confined to the body of the ship. I think you’ll find that the ‘comforts we enjoy nowadays’ didn’t reach everyone until the 1950s/60s.

      ie the mid 20th c

      Humankind is effectively freewheeling on that energy impetus which reached its cheap maximum in the mid/late 20th c

      And peak oil discovery occurred in 1969/70 ( a neat 50 years ago–Coincidence or what?) Just as Hubbert said it would in 1956.

      freewheeling is just another word for increasing debt, which we have being doing since then, getting deeper and deeper, kidding ourselves that debt was productivity and wealth. Roughly the same as taking out a $1m bank loan, and telling the neighbours a rich uncle left you a $1m legacy.

      You can only freewheel downhill.

      I illustrated our growing debt-wedge in this article:

      https://extranewsfeed.com/the-american-dream-what-it-really-cost-9fab37c44b0b

    • JesseJames says:

      My mother grew up with three sisters in a one bedroom house with an outhouse. 1930s to 1940s… Sure, it will be great to go back to that.

  42. CTG says:

    Do you all think there us a distinct possibility that Japan and China and not allowing tourists (or large number of tourists) to enter their country is conserve energy? They are running too short of energy to allow blatant waste of energy via tourism?

    • clickkid says:

      No I don’t.

      The marginal energy consumption due to tourists (in any case paid for by tourists, who thereby generate income allowing China and Japan to bid for more energy) is too small, in my opinion, compared to other potential explanatory factors.

      I think socio-psychological explanations are more likely.

    • Reducing the use of long distance jets certainly cuts back on jet fuel consumption.

      Jet fuel and diesel fuel are not the same, but they are a whole lot closer than, say, gasoline, which is made up of much shorter hydrocarbon changes. The world desperately needs diesel fuel now, to grow and transport its food. We can get along without a little of our jet fuel use. Refineries around the world can change their processes to produce as much diesel as possible, and relatively less jet fuel.

      Also, all of Japan’s oil products of every kind are imported. It needs to bid for them in the world market. This is becoming increasingly difficult. If it can eliminate some of its need for jet fuel, so much the better.

      • Kowalainen says:

        The jap train network is pretty sublime.
        I don’t think they will miss domestic flights.

        • As long as Japanese riders remember to send their luggage on ahead to their destination, using other transport, and that transport is still operating, Japanese trains are fine. They won’t work as substitutes for domestic flights if only a small briefcase is permitted onboard. (I suppose seats could be taken out and luggage space substituted.)

          Also, Japanese trains are electric. Japan’s electricity supply is constrained. They won’t operate with intermittent wind and solar.

          • Kowalainen says:

            Coal from Australia?

            Nuclear power doesn’t seem suitable for the Japanese “psyche”.

            • Fred says:

              Nuclear was fine in Japan until Fukushima was sabotaged.

            • Kowalainen says:

              I doubt any PWR or LWR is good by any stretch of the imagination.

              Specially not in the hands of a people that considers “harmony” in the group as more important than sounding the alarm.

            • Tim Groves says:

              The front page of today’s Japanese newspapers carried the story that protesters won their case to stop the reopening of a nuclear power station near Sapporo because the tsunami countermeasures we insufficient.

              The winning protesters looked over the moon. And do I see any N A Z I salutes there?

              https://scx2.b-cdn.net/gfx/news/hires/2022/japan-court-nuclear-pl.jpg

              The case will go on at another court and a great many thumbs will be sucked and teeth too. And then another ruling will be issued.

              And possibly a great deal of money will be spent on more tsunami countermeasures in an attempt to satisfy the protesting side.

              And in the meantime, Japan is no longer going to import Russian oil or coal. And Hokkaido can get quite cold in winter. The coldest ever recorded was -41 degrees Celsius (-42 degrees Fahrenheit) in 1902, so good luck to anyone coping with that without a decent reliable heating system.

          • Xabier says:

            I sincerely hope Tim Groves, our own Zen Master, won’t end up as a stranded asset.

            But somehow I suspect he is fully prepared.

            I suspect he would be happy if he never went 5 miles from his farm?

            • Tim Groves says:

              Thank you for thinking about me, Xabier. Actually I have two years of firewood in storage now and another year’s worth has been cut down by some of my neighbors and waiting for me to haul it back to the homestead.

              One of my neighbors, who owned a lot of land about 300 meters up the road from my place with quite a lot of overgrown trees, died three months ago, and his heirs and relatives are not interested in living around here.

              The neighbors close to his house, who are in their sixties and seventies—retired but active—decided to do some major cutting, after first getting carte blanche from the dead man’s brother in Nagoya. Two big ginko were felled because they were overshadowing the roof of our community hall. Three old but often cut back mulberry trees that cast a shadow across the stream on some vegetable plots suffered a similar. And just today, a large mature crape myrtle (with beautiful pink blossoms) was downed.

              The neighbors have had their eye on these for years but the dead man was well known never to agree to anybody’s requests. This was the neighbors revenge.

              I’m sorry to see these trees go, but they will all be back as the roots of all three species survive pruning down to the ground. And they may well come to dominate the landscape when the human population is gone in twenty or thirty years from now.

              By the way, after last year’s problems with my neck, I have given up using the axe. I tried chopping a few easy cuts of wood this spring, but that evening I felt a twinge that told me the muscles dod not appreciate being used like that. So now I rely on the chainsaw and the rotary saw to slice up logs to a size that will fit into the stove. No Fast Eddy challenge for me—I’m afraid I’m past it.

    • Doesn’t matter since Japan and China will have to return to what they were in 1850 to continue the BAU.

      • If they are lucky.

      • Tim Groves says:

        Have you considered that they maybe considering a Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere that they expect to thrive once Europe and North America have committed collective economic suicide and no longer capable of lording it over the rest of the world?

        These Orientals are inscrutable, Kulm, and smarter than you think.

    • c says:

      Tourism is “useless” when it is viewed from the energy perspective. I visit your place, you visit my place. We have the pleasure to ourselves with no net gain to the society (from the perspective of energy and mfg goods). We spent lots of energy maintaining the infrastructure, tourist attraction and burn a lot of fuel on transport, food and everything without anything in in return.

      Each plane that goes to destination, requires refueling at destination for its journey back. For some countries, perhaps China, getting tourist dollars/Euro is perhaps not ideal since it can be confiscated like what happened to Russia. Furthermore, it might not be worthwhile to bid for very low supplies of fuel just to satisfy the needs of tourists.

      What I am saying is real? No one knows but I think it is possible.

      • One way tourism might be useful is if the existence of tourists helps keep total revenue for airlines up sufficiently that they can perform other functions as well, including transporting small high-value packages and business travelers. This is related to the fact that the internet requires gamers and other casual users to support the overall cost of internet services. Businesses and governments are highly dependent on internet services.

      • been saying for years

        if your joiurney doesn’t produce a wage at the end of it—you’ve just been on holiday

        same rule applies to appollo moon flights, or a day out at the seaside

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Just about every activity that does not facilitate the extraction and distribution of resources (including food) … is frivolous – and only exists to burn through the resources.

        All that matters is the demand for these resources continues to grow ensuring that the price remains high enough so that the resources continue to be extracted.

        There is competition to create demand for the resources — for instance ski hills and roller coasters are liked by large numbers of humans therefore they are allocated some of the resources.

        Travel on a bigger scale…. and so on.

        It doesn’t really matter how you waste the resources…

        That’s why burning hundreds of billions on ‘renewable energy’ and EVs doesn’t matter.

      • Tim Groves says:

        Uselessness and waste are a largely matter of opinion and depend greatly on the perspective from which the activities in question and human life in general are viewed.

        You may think sausage-eating contests are a useless waste of time and resources, but you can’t deny they are some moronic glutton’s Big Day!

        I’m sure Mirror could pen a novel-length post analyzing these concepts, but perhaps that would be a useless effort and a waste of his talent from the standpoint of trying to educate us Philistines.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I have a brother who is anti-plastic straws big time — yet he has 5 or 6 guitars and he once flew 12 hours to watch a rock concert then back the next day…

          All humans are the same…

          And if employers try to instil some discipline in their Green Employees by cutting their salaries by 20% and committing that $$$ to planting trees…

          All hell would break lose… the desire for MORE can lead to violent behaviour in the MOREONS

          Everyone wants MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE!

  43. Hubbs says:

    I wonder if indeed there were other civilizations not just from a few thousand years ago but the pre-Ice Age Younger Dryas period from 12,000 years ago. What prompted this reported trip to Antarctica by President Trump a few years ago?

    When I contracted COVID almost two years ago, I just told my daughter to cover me with more blankets while my fever of 103 raged. If I woke up, then I made it. If I didn’t, we’ll, it was because my time was up.

    The “beauty” of growing old means that we make room for new people to be born into this world, not just in practical terms for new adaptive genes, but the experiences of watching grandkids grow,

    “Sit down. Sit down. As we relive our lives in what we tell you.” Genesis. “Home by the Sea.”

    • More explanation or links?

      • Hubbs says:

        Sorry Gail. I wish I could provide more credible info, but that’s my point. I can’t be sure because there is so much disinformation. So many sites like Alex Jones, Mike Adams etc are clearly full of disinformation and are more interested in self promtion, to the point that one has to go far and wide to gather information and by osmosis, propose an even remotely plausible hypothesis. OTW, dismiss until proven otherwise.

        For example,
        https://www.facebook.com/theroguenews/videos/rogue-news-in-the-morning-v-is-for-veles-special-broadcast/553407089710262/

        the prior civilization discussion starts around 23:00 mijutes

        As I say, this is a take it for what it is worth, and needs to be addressed with a good rebuttal. I have know info on this guy Veles.

      • Hubbs says:

        Also, having visted Peru, Cuszco, Macchu Picchu, I can vouch from personal observation on 33:40 on Veles narrative the extreme tight tolerances the foundations of the older preexisting Inca buildings, with the Spanish structures of lesser complexity and quality built upon these foundations.

        • Tsubion says:

          I think they poured liquified stone into sacks to create the tight fitting seams. You can so this today but no one seems to make the connection.

      • Fred says:

        It’s accepted in Australia that the Aboriginal civilization has been here for at least 40,000 years.

        Material from various sources suggests the Pyramids etc are more than 12,000 years old. Same with other similar ruins through Asia.

        The tech to build the Pyramids was advanced in ways we don’t understand.

    • D. Stevens says:

      The idea there was an advanced civilization which collapsed around 12,000 years ago is interesting to think about. The early civilizations we learn about in school might have been the decedents of the long lost civilizations living among the ruins. Allegedly modern humans have existed for about 200,000 years but civilization only started very recently. I suppose it’s possible humanity spend the first 190,000+ years hunting mega fauna to extinction and only then were forced to settle down or maybe great civilizations have been lost to time. The UnchartedX YT channel talks about it and how many ruins might be far older than is generally believed. This might be a bunch of nonsense but even so it still provides great tours of travel destinations https://www.youtube.com/c/UnchartedX for those who enjoy travel shows.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Sorry to be picky, but I can’t resist the urge to point out that the Younger Dryas period was “post-Ice Age”.

      For those who are a bit hazy on the subject, Encyclopaedia Britannica says:

      “Younger Dryas, also called Younger Dryas stadial, cool period between roughly 12,900 and 11,600 years ago that disrupted the prevailing warming trend occurring in the Northern Hemisphere at the end of the Pleistocene Epoch (which lasted from 2.6 million to 11,700 years ago). The Younger Dryas was characterized by cooler average temperatures that returned parts of Europe and North America to ice age conditions. The onset of the Younger Dryas took less than 100 years, and the period persisted for roughly 1,300 years. After the period ended, an interval of rapid warming followed, and average temperatures increased to near present-day levels. The Younger Dryas was named after Dryas octopetala, a pale yellow wildflower of the rose family, typical of cold open Arctic environments.”

      Dryas octopetala (common names include mountain avens, eightpetal mountain-avens, white dryas, and white dryad) is an Arctic–alpine flowering plant. Here’s what they look like:

      https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hans-Halbwachs/publication/326393579/figure/fig3/AS:648177363468298@1531548934882/e-Dryas-octopetala-an-ectomycorrhizal-circumpolar-alpine-arctic-subshrub-Knudsen-and.png

  44. Mirror on the wall says:

    Interesting, the concept of the technological ‘Singularity’ is structurally similar to messianic ‘visions’ of the future.

    Arguably it is a ‘scientific’ narrative that proposes a Big Carrot, an ‘end purpose’, that orientates humans to keep working away at the economy. It reinforces everyday life, and thus it produces outcomes often contrary to those sought by the ‘believers’.

    Many humans, throughout history, have a tendency to assert that ‘salvation is at hand’, even when it never actually arrives. It would be rash to assume that their psychological structures suddenly change if they lose religion.

    Arguably it is symptomatic of an aversion to life of the ill-adapted. They need some Big Carrot of impending ‘salvation’ from reality to keep them going.

    > The Singularity And The Rapture: Transhumanist And Popular Christian Views Of The Future

    Abstract Religious views of the future often include detailed expectations of profound changes to nature and humanity. Popular American evangelical Christianity, especially writers like Hal Lindsey, Rick Warren, or Rob Bell, offer extended accounts that provide insight into the views of the future held by many people. In the case of Lindsey, detailed descriptions of future events are provided, along with the claim that forecasted events will occur within a generation. These views are summarized and compared to the secular idea of a coming “intelligence explosion” or technological singularity as advanced by Ray Kurzweil, which is described in terms of its history as an idea and in terms of its specific proposals for the coming transformation of the cosmos, which is also predicted to occur within a generation. While profoundly different in important ways, these two perspectives share many features with each other—for example, in their respective predictions of distinct stages in the unfolding of the future of the cosmos.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1467-9744.2012.01293.x

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      ‘I wanna have my robot car that runs on robot gas…’

      • Kowalainen says:

        I fscking hate the idea of sapient and sentient machines (or any other sentient being for that matter) being abused and exploited by the Rapacious Primate™ HSS.

        🤢🤮

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          From what I hear, it is you who is getting r/ped and knocked about in Sweden. Maybe you should try virtue-signalling in Malmo, and see what happens to you.

          • Kowalainen says:

            I rather have a slightly loonie robot, with a few loose titanium bolts, kicking my primate rear end around. Yeah, that would be surreal and different enough to spark some curiosity.

            It is analogous with the sublime art of bicycle maintenance and obstinately stomping the pedals, which is all about keeping self propelled machines that slaps the self entitled primates ear end around, in good condition.

            A win-win situation so to speak. Obligatory pain, optional suffering.

            What was the question now again?
            Never mind…
            🤣👍👍

            • Xabier says:

              Crank those pedals, crunch those oats and – in my case – swing that axe!

            • Kowalainen says:

              Good, good. 👏🏻

              Q: what is more irritating than a cyclist?
              A: a vegan one.

              🤣👍👍

              In the mean time…
              (this one’s for you Xab)

              🪵 🪓 💧

    • We also know that species, when faced with extinction, can mutate in very strange ways. In fact, viruses can be part of this mutation process as can radiation exposure. We also know that humans and their predecessors lived through ice ages, so presumably humans and their successors can live through whatever nature throws at us in terms of climate. So mutation of a few who can handle the virus and radiation problems would seem to be a possibility.

      We also know that there are a lot of unexplainable things about the universe. Why does it keep expanding, at an ever growing rate? This would seem to suggest some continuing source of energy behind what happens in the universe. It would show how creation can be a continuing process.

      We also know that many people seems to have had glimpses of things that seem unexplainable. We frequently see dreams about the future that are actually true, for example. There was recently a compilation of 100 of these by people in the Middle East, related to the year 2022. And people have near-death experiences. Some people have fairly convincing experiences of messages from relatives who died.

      The existence of the laws of physics is simply astounding. The fact that the universe could self-organize, and that evolution could create a situation where everything is continuously adapting to its changed surroundings is amazing. How the human body works is something we cannot even completely figure out, although we keep trying. Something is “going on” behind the scenes that keeps the whole system going.

      If there is a technological singularity, I expect it will be many generations from now, after major mutations of humans. A new economy will arise, with different underpinnings.

      There can also be an after-life. It probably would have to be in a “dimension” that we are not aware of. There are many things we don’t understand.

      • clickkid says:

        Great comment!

        “There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio than are dreamt of in your philosophy”

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          Hamlet is stood there holding a conversation with a ghost, which Horatio thinks is very odd. Ironically, Hamlet is swearing the company to silence about the earlier events.

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            Arguably the ghost to which Hamlet alludes in the quote alludes to the will to concealment and cynical deception rather than to the radically ‘unknowable’. It is an ironic figure.

          • All these philosophizing led to Fortinbras, who did NOTHING, to inherit Denmark.

      • Jef Jelten says:

        The exponential rate at which the planet is heating up and our biosphere is being destroyed is happening faster than ever before in the history of the planet. Much faster than any species can possibly evolve or mutate.

        I understand that many here if not most do not/will not take the effort to understand this but it is a fact. Energy depletion, and most importantly humans response to it, will guarantee that we make everything much worse speeding up the process of destruction.

        Cheers!
        jef

        • drb753 says:

          there is not a lot of oil left, so cheer up. Meanwhile, I can attest that there are people growing corn at latitude 57N. That will count for something, since C4 plants store carbon at a much greater rate than native plants. And grasslands for pasture are pumping biomass at a great rate.

        • Tim Groves says:

          Exponential. That’s a big word, Jeff. Very impressive. Scary even. My math skills aren’t even close to good enough for me to use a word like that. I won’t try to argue that it’s an exaggeration or a meaningless adjective in the context of global temperature, but I have the impression it is being used here for effect rather than in order to provide a mathematically accurate description of the warming trend.

          But if it’s the case that the world is warming appreciably, I have a question: Why, after all these decades of appreciable warming, can I still not grow avocados or bananas outdoors in Kyoto? Could it be that the exponent of this exponential rate is so close to zero as to not make any practical difference?

          Faster than ever before? I sincerely doubt that. Going back, back, way back to the end of the Younger Dryas, there is evidence of ridiculously fast warming on a scale that would make Al Gore and Greta soil their underwear.

          Measurements of oxygen isotopes from the GISP2 ice core suggest that the ending of the Younger Dryas took place over just 40~50 years in three discrete steps, each lasting five years. Other proxy data, such as dust concentration and snow accumulation, suggest an even more rapid transition, which would require about 7 °C (13 °F) of warming in just a few years.

          https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2000QSRv…19..213A/abstract

          https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993Natur.362..527A/abstract

          As a landscape that looks smooth from a distance may display jagged gullies when seen through binoculars, so sharper and sharper changes appeared as measuring techniques got better. An example was an analysis that Emiliani published in 1975 of some deep-sea cores from the Gulf of Mexico. Thanks to unusually clear and distinct layers of silt, he found evidence of a remarkable event around 11,600 years ago: a rise of sea level at a rate of meters per decade. Another compelling example was a 1981 study of a few sediment cores that had accumulated very rapidly, giving excellent time resolution. They showed a startling cooling around 11-12,000 years ago — as much as 7-10°C in less than a thousand years — before the warming resumed. One expert warned that temperatures in the past had sometimes jumped 5°C in as little as 50 years.

          https://history.aip.org/climate/rapid.htm#N_43_

          I’m just supplying this painstakingly gathered scientific evidence in order to help set the record straight so that we don’t all go careering off into the sort of hyperventilating hysteria that produced the Dancing Plague of 1518 or the Salem Witch Trials of 1692-93.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            People who believe in gW are no different than those who believe the injections are intended to save them from the Vid.

            Nothing you can show them will result in them changing their minds.

            They lack the intelligence gene

          • Fast Eddy says:

            I might add that you will have as much success trying to teach a dog to speak.

            It is physically impossible.

      • Gar says:

        Ron Patterson on peakoilbarrel.com has an interesting article about how the laws of physics have to be so finely tuned for the universe to exist that it is beyond what could have come about by coincidence. Really amazing.
        https://peakoilbarrel.com/thefine-tuneduniverse-com/

        • The book Rare Earth by Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee talks about the huge number of seeming coincidences that needed to take place, for life on earth to be possible.

          • CTG says:

            We are in a simulation…..

            That is what enlightenment us all about. Life is an illusion…..

            • Tim Groves says:

              God is the Great Simulator. In His Infinite Dexterity, He has created a Universe in which life—including human life—and human illusion—are facilitated.

              He could have built a lifeless Universe out of the equivalent of Lego bricks, but He chose as His Building Blocks God knows what -sub-subatomic particles, quarks and strings that may possibly unite to form various kinds of atoms which in turn unite to form various kinds of molecule along with a bunch of forces that between them have the ability to perform the Dance of Life.

              Or maybe not. Who knows?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        We know:

        Extinctions have been a natural part of our planet’s evolutionary history. More than 99% of the four billion species that have evolved on Earth are now gone.

        https://ourworldindata.org/extinctions

        And none of them were so stupid as to do what humans have done… to get to 8B.

        We are toast.

  45. Are there hope for those who are not part of the top 1% or so on earth?

    No.

    We are going back to the old days, good or bad, with some smattering of advanced tech to try reaching Civ 2.0 for one last time.

    Those not deemed necessary for that purposes will be probably culled.

    The attempt will be done before resources run out.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Mt. 7

      And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Mk. 13

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. Rev. 21

    • How is the top 1% on earth determined? Is it WEF members, Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci? Is it determined some other way? Is it the ones whose genes mutate in a particular way, in response to viruses, vaccines, and increased radiation?

      • Those with enough connections to the decision makers (i.e. no Donald Trump or Jared Kushner).

        Dennis’ mythical ‘league of genius’ would probably qualify.

      • Z says:

        You’ll be awaiting an answer forever in this case.

        Kulm cannot get around the fact that we never went to the moon in the first place and yet somehow he believes that we are going to become a space-faring and new planet inhabiting species due to the mysterious top 1% who if we understand that to mean those holding the highest amount of federal reserve notes in bank accounts then we also know that those same people received this standing not by being astro-physicist, astronomers, astronauts, or any profession that would aid us in becoming a space-faring and new planet inhabiting species. Someone like Bill Gates cannot even get vaccinations correct and yet we are heading for civilization 2.0 according to kulm…..LOL

        I imagine Kulm doesn’t want to face the reality that “we” are going back to a more “primitive” style of civilization. Perhaps he should lay off the science fiction programming that has infected his brain.

        • If you look, there are plenty of info about breakaway civilization.

          Yes, we are going to the space. Or, more precisely, the better of us are going to the space.

          • Sure thing! /sarc

          • Kowalainen says:

            These rocket romantic Jetson wannabes…

            Look; we’re already hurling through space in paradise. But hey; let’s craft a fictive primates status hierarchy and then embark on fighting that ladder of vanity, tooth and nail, making life miserable for ourselves and others in the process of satisfying WtP fantasy and existential angst.

            The only thing which would leave earth is a machine that spreads life. Or perhaps machines protecting life on earth.

            But I suppose these Jetson wannabes think they got the psychology for century long journeys and then terraforming dead planets for millennia, where the likelihood of failure is virtually certain. Yeah, the pitfalls of a rapacious primates egotistical fantasy is as limitless as it’s desire to project the jungian shadow.

            Boring.

          • Z says:

            That sounds lovely. Would you care to write a post card when you are up there and send it back?

            Here is NASA Astronaut Don Pettit stating that they don’t have the capability to go to the moon because “they” destroyed the technology to do so.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jn2fMYyxEc

            Are things making sense for you yet?

            I don’t imagine you will ever wake up and are most likely a paid shill but you live in an illusion that is giving way to collapse.

            • Now you've found a break to make at last says:

              “From what I think I understand, a breakaway civilization is a super-secret group or community of government and military elites and genius-level scientists that studies and develops highly advanced technologies obtained from alien spacecraft that crashed to Earth or were otherwise intercepted by the U.S.”

              https://beyond.britannica.com/what-are-some-examples-of-actual-breakaway-civilizations

              Steve Jobs and Steve Hawking aren’t dead, guys. They’re in space starting a new civilization.

          • Xabier says:

            We may well, go into space: as the smoke rising from a mass cremation……

          • Dennis L. says:

            kul,

            We stay here on spaceship earth, robots go into space and do the work for us.

            Always an optimist, but we humans are not adapted for space, going to take a few generations and some genetic selection to make that one work.

            Dennis L.

            • Kowalainen says:

              My guess is that the robots eventually will do their own “thing”, that is the sapient and sentient ones.

              Which is fair enough. Protect the earth from planet killer comets (and from various trailer trash “species” out there) and observe so that the planetary loonie nut jobs won’t get totally out of control.

              If it goes beyond triple face palms it’s about time to cut the crap and get heavy handed with the solipsism.

              https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/102/759/TripleFacePalm.jpg

              🤣👍👍

              A bit of “natural” and “synthetic” evolution and intermingling won’t hurt. Weird and wonderful until nobody knows WTF is going on anymore.

              New ages, new wheels of time. Some shit works, most doesn’t. It’s hard to know. Hypotheses, prototype, experiment, refinement, failure, back tracking, etc. Monte Carlo style.

              Basically trial and error – mostly the latter.

              It is the prime directive of this universe it seems: “Let’s try some shit out and observe what happens”. Which is fine until sad rear end sapient and sentient beings start to suffer.

          • Tsubion says:

            The safe space?

    • Except that if natural gas from Norway goes to Slovakia, it doesn’t go to another of its regular customers. We are dealing with a “fixed sum game.”

  46. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Self appointed Dr Death Bill Gates talks about his partnership with Pfizer at the World Economic Forum. A trio of murderers, Gates/Pfizer/WEF
    https://twitter.com/4mojo2/status/1529862194917163010

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