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Time and time again, financial approaches have worked to fix economic problems. Raising interest rates has acted to slow the economy and lowering them has acted to speed up the economy. Governments overspending their incomes also acts to push the economy ahead; doing the reverse seems to slow economies down.
What could possibly go wrong? The issue is a physics problem. The economy doesn’t run simply on money and debt. It operates on resources of many kinds, including energy-related resources. As the population grows, the need for energy-related resources grows. The bottleneck that occurs is something that is hard to see in advance; it is an affordability bottleneck.
For a very long time, financial manipulations have been able to adjust affordability in a way that is optimal for most players. At some point, resources, especially energy resources, get stretched too thin, relative to the rising population and all the commitments that have been made, such as pension commitments. As a result, there is no way for the quantity of goods and services produced to grow sufficiently to match the promises that the financial system has made. This is the real bottleneck that the world economy reaches.
I believe that we are closely approaching this bottleneck today. I recently gave a talk to a group of European officials at the 2nd Luxembourg Strategy Conference, discussing the issue from the European point of view. Europeans seem to be especially vulnerable because Europe, with its early entry into the Industrial Revolution, substantially depleted its fossil fuel resources many years ago. The topic I was asked to discuss was, “Energy: The interconnection of energy limits and the economy and what this means for the future.”
In this post, I write about this presentation.
The major issue is that money, by itself, cannot operate the economy, because we cannot eat money. Any model of the economy must include energy and other resources. In a finite world, these resources tend to deplete. Also, human population tends to grow. At some point, not enough goods and services are produced for the growing population.
I believe that the major reason we have not been told about how the economy really works is because it would simply be too disturbing to understand the real situation. If today’s economy is dependent on finite fossil fuel supplies, it becomes clear that, at some point, these will run short. Then the world economy is likely to face a very difficult time.
A secondary reason for the confusion about how the economy operates is too much specialization by researchers studying the issue. Physicists (who are concerned about energy) don’t study economics; politicians and economists don’t study physics. As a result, neither group has a very broad understanding of the situation.
I am an actuary. I come from a different perspective: Will physical resources be adequate to meet financial promises being made? I have had the privilege of learning a little from both economic and physics sides of the discussion. I have also learned about the issue from a historical perspective.
World energy consumption has been growing very rapidly at the same time that the world economy has been growing. This makes it hard to tell whether the growing energy supply enabled the economic growth, or whether the higher demand created by the growing economy encouraged the world economy to use more resources, including energy resources.
Physics says that it is energy resources that enable economic growth.
The R-squared of GDP as a function of energy is .98, relative to the equation shown.
Physicists talk about the “dissipation” of energy. In this process, the ability of an energy product to do “useful work” is depleted. For example, food is an energy product. When food is digested, its ability to do useful work (provide energy for our body) is used up. Cooking food, whether using a campfire or electricity or by burning natural gas, is another way of dissipating energy.
Humans are clearly part of the economy. Every type of work that is done depends upon energy dissipation. If energy supplies deplete, the form of the economy must change to match.
There are a huge number of systems that seem to grow by themselves using a process called self-organization. I have listed a few of these on Slide 8. Some of these things are alive; most are not. They are all called “dissipative structures.”
The key input that allows these systems to stay in a “non-dead” state is dissipation of energy of the appropriate type. For example, we know that humans need about 2,000 calories a day to continue to function properly. The mix of food must be approximately correct, too. Humans probably could not live on a diet of lettuce alone, for example.
Economies have their own need for energy supplies of the proper kind, or they don’t function properly. For example, today’s agricultural equipment, as well as today’s long-distance trucks, operate on diesel fuel. Without enough diesel fuel, it becomes impossible to plant and harvest crops and bring them to market. A transition to an all-electric system would take many, many years, if it could be done at all.
I think of an economy as being like a child’s building toy. Gradually, new participants are added, both in the form of new citizens and new businesses. Businesses are formed in response to expected changes in the markets. Governments gradually add new laws and new taxes. Supply and demand seem to set market prices. When the system seems to be operating poorly, regulators step in, typically adjusting interest rates and the availability of debt.
One key to keeping the economy working well is the fact that those who are “consumers” closely overlap those who are “employees.” The consumers (= employees) need to be paid well enough, or they cannot purchase the goods and services made by the economy.
A less obvious key to keeping the economy working well is that the whole system needs to be growing. This is necessary so that there are enough goods and services available for the growing population. A growing economy is also needed so that debt can be repaid with interest, and so that pension obligations can be paid as promised.
World population has been growing year after year, but arable land stays close to constant. To provide enough food for this rising population, more intensive agriculture is required, often including irrigation, fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides.
Furthermore, an increasing amount of fresh water is needed, leading to a need for deeper wells and, in some places, desalination to supplement other water sources. All these additional efforts add energy usage, as well as costs.
In addition, mineral ores and energy supplies of all kinds tend to become depleted because the best resources are accessed first. This leaves the more expensive-to-extract resources for later.
The issues in Slide 11 are a continuation of the issues described on Slide 10. The result is that the cost of energy production eventually rises so much that its higher costs spill over into the cost of all other goods and services. Workers find that their paychecks are not high enough to cover the items they usually purchased in the past. Some poor people cannot even afford food and fresh water.
Increasing debt is helpful as an economy grows. A farmer can borrow money for seed to grow a crop, and he can repay the debt, once the crop has grown. Or an entrepreneur can finance a factory using debt.
On the consumer side, debt at a sufficiently low interest rate can be used to make the purchase of a home or vehicle affordable.
Central banks and others involved in the financial world figured out many years ago that if they manipulate interest rates and the availability of credit, they are generally able to get the economy to grow as fast as they would like.
It is hard for most people to imagine how much interest rates have varied over the last century. Back during the Great Depression of the 1930s and the early 1940s, interest rates were very close to zero. As large amounts of inexpensive energy were added to the economy in the post-World War II period, the world economy raced ahead. It was possible to hold back growth by raising interest rates.
Oil supply was constrained in the 1970s, but demand and prices kept rising. US Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volker is known for raising interest rates to unheard of heights (over 15%) with a peak in 1981 to end inflation brought on by high oil prices. This high inflation rate brought on a huge recession from which the economy eventually recovered, as the higher prices brought more oil supply online (Alaska, North Sea, and Mexico), and as substitution was made for some oil use. For example, home heating was moved away from burning oil; electricity-production was mostly moved from oil to nuclear, coal and natural gas.
Another thing that has helped the economy since 1981 has been the ability to stimulate demand by lowering interest rates, making monthly payments more affordable. In 2008, the US added Quantitative Easing as a way of further holding interest rates down. A huge debt bubble has thus been built up since 1981, as the world economy has increasingly been operated with an increasing amount of debt at ever-lower interest rates. (See 3-month and 10 year interest rates shown on Slide 14.) This cheap debt has allowed rapidly rising asset prices.
The world economy starts hitting major obstacles when energy supply stops growing faster than population because the supply of finished goods and services (such as new automobile, new homes, paved roads, and airplane trips for passengers) produced stops growing as rapidly as population. These obstacles take the form of affordability obstacles. The physics of the situation somehow causes the wages and wealth to be increasingly concentrated among the top 10% or 1%. Lower-paid individuals are increasingly left out. While goods are still produced, ever-fewer workers can afford more than basic necessities. Such a situation makes for unhappy workers.
World energy consumption per capita hit a peak in 2018 and began to slide in 2019, with an even bigger drop in 2020. With less energy consumption, world automobile sales began to slide in 2019 and fell even lower in 2020. Protests, often indirectly related to inadequate wages or benefits, became an increasing problem in 2019. The year 2020 is known for Covid-19 related shutdowns and flight cancellations, but the indirect effect was to reduce energy consumption by less travel and by broken supply lines leading to unavailable goods. Prices of fossil fuels dropped far too low for producers.
Governments tried to get their own economies growing by various techniques, including spending more than the tax revenue they took in, leading to a need for more government debt, and by Quantitative Easing, acting to hold down interest rates. The result was a big increase in the money supply in many countries. This increased money supply was often distributed to individual citizens as subsidies of various kinds.
The higher demand caused by this additional money tended to cause inflation. It tended to raise fossil fuel prices because the inexpensive-to-extract fuels have mostly been extracted. In the days of Paul Volker, more energy supply at a little higher price was available within a few years. This seems extremely unlikely today because of diminishing returns. The problem is that there is little new oil supply available unless prices can stay above at least $120 per barrel on a consistent basis, and prices this high, or higher, do not seem to be available.
Oil prices are not rising this high, even with all of the stimulus funds because of the physics-based wage disparity problem mentioned previously. Also, those with political power try to keep fuel prices down so that the standards of living of citizens will not fall. Because of these low oil prices, OPEC+ continues to make cuts in production. The existence of chronically low prices for fossil fuels is likely the reason why Russia behaves in as belligerent a manner as it does today.
Today, with rising interest rates and Quantitative Tightening instead of Quantitative Easing, a major concern is that the debt bubble that has grown since in 1981 will start to collapse. With falling debt levels, prices of assets, such as homes, farms, and shares of stock, can be expected to fall. Many borrowers will be unable to repay their loans.
If this combination of events occurs, deflation is a likely outcome because banks and pension funds are likely to fail. If, somehow, local governments are able to bail out banks and pension funds, then there is a substantial likelihood of local hyperinflation. In such a case, people will have huge quantities of money, but practically nothing available to buy. In either case, the world economy will shrink because of inadequate energy supply.
Most people have a “normalcy bias.” They assume that if economic growth has continued for a long time in the past, it necessarily will occur in the future. Yet, we all know that all dissipative structures somehow come to an end. Humans can come to an end in many ways: They can get hit by a car; they can catch an illness and succumb to it; they can die of old age; they can starve to death.
History tells us that economies nearly always collapse, usually over a period of years. Sometimes, population rises so high that the food production margin becomes tight; it becomes difficult to set aside enough food if the cycle of weather should turn for the worse. Thus, population drops when crops fail.
In the years leading up to collapse, it is common that the wages of ordinary citizens fall too low for them to be able to afford an adequate diet. In such a situation, epidemics can spread easily and kill many citizens. With so much poverty, it becomes impossible for governments to collect enough taxes to maintain services they have promised. Sometimes, nations lose at war because they cannot afford a suitable army. Very often, governmental debt becomes non-repayable.
The world economy today seems to be approaching some of the same bottlenecks that more local economies hit in the past.
The basic problem is that with inadequate energy supplies, the total quantity of goods and services provided by the economy must shrink. Thus, on average, people must become poorer. Most individual citizens, as well as most governments, will not be happy about this situation.
The situation becomes very much like the game of musical chairs. In this game, one chair at a time is removed. The players walk around the chairs while music plays. When the music stops, all participants grab for a chair. Someone gets left out. In the case of energy supplies, the stronger countries will try to push aside the weaker competitors.
Countries that understand the importance of adequate energy supplies recognize that Europe is relatively weak because of its dependence on imported fuel. However, Europe seems to be oblivious to its poor position, attempting to dictate to others how important it is to prevent climate change by eliminating fossil fuels. With this view, it can easily keep its high opinion of itself.
If we think about the musical chairs’ situation and not enough energy supplies to go around, everyone in the world (except Europe) would be better off if Europe were to be forced out of its high imports of fossil fuels. Russia could perhaps obtain higher energy export prices in Asia and the Far East. The whole situation becomes very strange. Europe tells itself it is cutting off imports to punish Russia. But, if Europe’s imports can remain very low, everyone else, from the US, to Russia, to China, to Japan would benefit.
The benefits of wind and solar energy are glorified in Europe, with people being led to believe that it would be easy to transition from fossil fuels, and perhaps leave nuclear, as well. The problem is that wind, solar, and even hydroelectric energy supply are very undependable. They cannot ever be ramped up to provide year-round heat. They are poorly adapted for agricultural use (except for sunshine helping crops grow).
Few people realize that the benefits that wind and solar provide are tiny. They cannot be depended on, so companies providing electricity need to maintain duplicate generating capacity. Wind and solar require far more transmission than fossil-fuel-generated electricity because the best sources are often far from population centers. When all costs are included (without subsidy), wind and solar electricity tend to be more expensive than fossil-fuel generated electricity. They are especially difficult to rely on in winter. Therefore, many people in Europe are concerned about possibly “freezing in the dark,” as soon as this winter.
There is no possibility of ever transitioning to a system that operates only on intermittent electricity with the population that Europe has today, or that the world has today. Wind turbines and solar panels are built and maintained using fossil fuel energy. Transmission lines cannot be maintained using intermittent electricity alone.
Basically, Europe must use very much less fossil fuel energy, for the long term. Citizens cannot assume that the war with Ukraine will soon be over, and everything will be back to the way it was several years ago. It is much more likely that the freeze-in-the-dark problem will be present every winter, from now on. In fact, European citizens might actually be happier if the climate would warm up a bit.
With this as background, there is a need to figure out how to use less energy without hurting lifestyles too badly. To some extent, changes from the Covid-19 shutdowns can be used, since these indirectly were ways of saving energy. Furthermore, if families can move in together, fewer buildings in total will need to be heated. Cooking can perhaps be done for larger groups at a time, saving on fuel.
If families can home-school their children, this saves both the energy for transportation to school and the energy for heating the school. If families can keep younger children at home, instead of sending them to daycare, this saves energy, as well.
A major issue that I do not point out directly in this presentation is the high energy cost of supporting the elderly in the lifestyles to which they have become accustomed. One issue is the huge amount and cost of healthcare. Another is the cost of separate residences. These costs can be reduced if the elderly can be persuaded to move in with family members, as was done in the past. Pension programs worldwide are running into financial difficulty now, with interest rates rising. Countries with large elderly populations are likely to be especially affected.
Besides conserving energy, the other thing people in Europe can do is attempt to understand the dynamics of our current situation. We are in a different world now, with not enough energy of the right kinds to go around.
The dynamics in a world of energy shortages are like those of the musical chairs’ game. We can expect more fighting. We cannot expect that countries that have been on our side in the past will necessarily be on our side in the future. It is more like being in an undeclared war with many participants.
Under ideal circumstances, Europe would be on good terms with energy exporters, even Russia. I suppose at this late date, nothing can be done.
A major issue is that if Europe attempts to hold down fossil fuel prices, the indirect result will be to reduce supply. Oil, natural gas and coal producers will all reduce supply before they will accept a price that they consider too low. Given the dependence of the world economy on energy supplies, especially fossil fuel energy supplies, this will make the situation worse, rather than better.
Wind and solar are not replacements for fossil fuels. They are made with fossil fuels. We don’t have the ability to store up solar energy from summer to winter. Wind is also too undependable, and battery capacity too low, to compensate for need for storage from season to season. Thus, without a growing supply of fossil fuels, it is impossible for today’s economy to continue in its current form.
Down on the farm, we always grow either not enough or far too much. And this year, we had a very poor crop of onions in May, but a good crop of potatoes in June. Then we had an abundant crop of rice in September, followed by a miserable crop of pumpkins in October.
Yesterday we dug up the yams—sweet potatoes—satsumaimo, and I’ve never seen so many of them in one place before. It took four wheelbarrow loads to bring them back to the barn. And now we are wondering what we are going to do with them all.
If I was a real peasant, I think I’d be very pleased. But the fact is the successful harvest brings as many problems as opportunities. Should we feed the bears, dump these on friends and acquaintances, donate to the orphanages, or hold an all-you-can eat sweet potato barbecue.
I read about the Scottish blueberry farmer who is giving his crop (worth over a million pounds) away because he can’t afford to pay laborers to harvest them due to price competition from overseas growers. My problems are a very small-scale version of his. Producing food is one thing. Distributing it is quite another.
Awesome Tim. Nice going. Can’t say we ever have so much we don’t know what to do with, except for milk sometimes. We just started in on our winter squash and the first chestnuts in the last couple days, and a prime 3yr old ram who was in mid-rut with a nice gash on his head – sorry for interrupting, bud. And the rains finally set in. Running fires for a little while some days.
We’ve got the wood stove running now too. It isn’t really necessary yet, but it’s a nice little luxury. The cats love it.
We gathered a lot of chestnuts early in October, leaving plenty for the wildlife. Also, I finally got around to learning an easy way of getting the shells off htat really saved my fingernails from grief: “To begin with, freeze your raw chestnuts overnight. The next day, remove them from the freezer and immediately soak them in boiling hot water for 5 minutes. Then, drain the chestnuts, cut off the flat bottom with a kitchen knife, and you’ll be able to easily peel them by hand, hard shell, brown membrane and all.”
I love roasting chestnuts on an open fire, but there is a great seasonal Japanese recipe called kuri gohan (chestnut rice), which demands raw shelled chestnuts. As long as you aren’t on a ketogenic diet, it’s well worth trying.
Thanks for the shelling tip, that’s good to know. We’ve just been scoring them and roasting them. Haven’t made any flour or anything like that. We do rice occasionally having stocked up on a couple bags earlier this year just in case, and chestnut rice sounds delicious.
Less of a problem if you keep pigs also. You have options of when and how many to butcher, make preserved meats and fat that can last years, and it will smooth out your food supply over a few years.
We have a neighbour who keeps pigs… he’s an old guy… don’t imagine he’ll put up much of a fight.
Butcher poor Porky? You Monsteurrr!
Very good advice, actually. They say that every rural Haitian family keeps a few black pigs to recycle any scraps, and that this is how they survive below the poverty line. I’m too much of a softy to butcher anything that moves, so come the collapse I am going to have to toughen up significantly or else die horribly.
But if I was going to go down that route, I would start small with chickens, feeding them on rice and sweet potatoes and charging them eggs for rent.
Many options there. Rice and sweet potatoes have insufficient proteins for chickens, but adequate for pigs. there is no denying the advantage of daily eggs if you can find some extra proteins. sometimes all it takes a clover field. pigs provide extra fat, which other animals can not provide at the same level.
both being omnivores, chickens and pigs require about the same amount of dietary protein for optimal health. Actively laying hens obviously require more though. You can grow out hogs on vegan diets but it’s no better for them than it is the human or the chicken. With grain- and vegetable-fed hogs you get grainfed lard, just like you get grainfed tallow with cattle, which is a very different biomolecular profile, with far fewer stored nutrients and far more toxins, because the vegan/high-starch mammal that stores excessive fat has metabolic syndrome and lots of alcohols and toxic metabolites running through it’s system and getting preserved in fat as a way to sequester them. Grainfed vegetarian hogs are the ultimate quantity over quality livestock unless they are run right as part of a multi-meatfarm. But it works, which is better than nothing I guess, but there are hidden dangers to unhealthy meat; the vegan orthodoxy is absolutely correct about the dangers of unhealthy meat though they consider all of it unhealthy because they’re just looking at the grainfed system. It’s far from optimal nutrition. And hogs are usually forced into confinement because they’ll tear everything up, which is fucked up.
It can be done right. Running American guinea hogs on milk and grass, is the super simple gold standard for running hogs. If you have the milk then you have ruminant entrails and whatnot to also feed them.This specially adapted little lard breed may be able to get up to 40pc of its calories from grass by anaerobic bacteria in its colon converting the cellulose to SCFAs,, so, managed well, their rooting is minimal and
generally limited to weeds. That’s double what omnivores can generally do.
Omnivore livestock are much abused because people treat them like they are vegans. Because that’s cheap and easy. And it’s short-term thinking. It’s doing what the elites want to do to us; there we go again in capture bondage – mimicking those who enslave us.
I like this post reante. you can readily raise a proper meat bird in summer by letting it follow the cows on the pasture, and assuming you have dos or other form of protection from predators. Pigs are a bit different. they do require less proteins because they do not lay eggs, and IMHO manipulation of grains satisfies that. By manipulation I mean fermenting or sprouting.
The problem with pigs and chickens is that even pastured animals have a sub-optimal fat profile. No real solution for chickens but pigs could be raised on the one and only mast that is low in PUFA, that is acorns. I am getting ready to raise pigs next year, I have access to 3.5 tons of whey a day, but oaks in the area are few and far between. I told my young workers to spare every oak, and they believe in it and do it, but it will be 50 years before the forest here is properly managed.
Awesome drb. Sounds like you have a serious operation. That’s great about the access to whey. Hopefully the business stays in business for awhile longer. There are dudes in this area that run their hogs through the oakwood’s around here.
You’d need to elaborate on the “suboptimal fat profile” of pastured animals. You eat all of a non-commercial, lean, wildtype Soay sheep in good condition, including bone broth, and I don’t see what you are talking about. I also have Border Cheviots and at four years old the females have a slab of fat on their back every bit as much as 2/3 the thickness of our the mature guinea hogs that we used to run. I had no idea and couldn’t believe it when I saw it. I found out because she was killed by a cougar.
Ex military brutes will be eyeing the hogs… when BAU collapses…
You got any daughters? They’ll be eyeing them too.
300 Years of FOSSIL FUELS in 300 Seconds
First published in 2011. Let’s see how well reality has kept up with this perspective.
I broadly agree with the following comment by aspnaz at the Automatic Earth on the above video:
Featuring:
– A person apologising to the earth for destruction of nature.
– A recyclable future with bicycles, obviously not made of steel.
– A recyclable future with non-recyclable windmills.
– A recyclable future with glass and steel highrise buildings (carbon is needed for highrise).
– A planned transition is best … the energy war is the planned transition.
– etc
The usual weak minded story that caters to the sack cloth and ashes crowd where development is something to feel guilty about: yes, they even apologise to the earth, that weak minded. Made by the “everything is terrible” crowd and their “humans are terrible” allies. Rather than telling us that everything is shit, maybe tackle one issue at a time, propose a working solution in depth … not the sort of solution the governments have implemented, such as the unrecyclable windmills are not a solution to anything, not even to coal running out, and which require carbon based steel.
By all means propose a new system to be adopted in the future, but maybe you will forgive us for asking about the details. For example, the video talks about managing the population, so how will it do that? Starve them due to a lack of food without fertilizer or deliberately cull them? What does “managing the population” mean?
Weak minded trash.
“What does “managing the population” mean?”
As Dmitry Orlov noted long time ago, the population is a dependent variable so we don’t need to worry about it.
Not at all weak minded but cleverly planned!
The WEF wants the West to pay climate reparations to the poor countries, so it is a beginning to feel sorry.
As a dedicated denyer of man made climate change – after peakoil the forecasts should be adapted – and as a commited believer in historical climate changes without men I am predicting a COLDER climate for the next years, mark my words, together with some strange effects that could be called weather volatility. Waterless rivers and earthquakes in some areas. It has to do with the sun cycles that are caused by changing mass accumulation of the planets revolving around the sun affecting the fusion process.
Of course I am not against helping people suffering from freak weather. I am only sceptical about our Elders, Where-am-I-Joe, Nancy Antoinette, Kill Bill, Trump and Dr. Faust organising it. In my experience such money never reaches its destination.
No, no. Weak minded are only the sheep.
I have heard one needs an IQ of 30 to open a banana. Most Germans have an electric banana opener at home!
UKEY War was launched to hide this:
Inflation began spiking last year well before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Early 2021 was when the inflation dam broke globally, with the pandemic money-printing and deficit-spending binge still in full swing. The dam just broke, and inflation washed over the lands. In July 2021 in the Eurozone, inflation shot past the ECB’s target of 2%. It hit 4.9% in November 2021, and 5.1% in January 2022 before the war in Ukraine had begun. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine made the existing trends worse:
https://wolfstreet.com/2022/10/31/horror-show-inflation-in-euro-countries-overall-10-7-germany-11-6-without-energy-6-9/
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Good points about the Ukraine war being needed to hide the rising inflation rate.
For the doubters (e.g. norm)… if this is true
https://youtu.be/bntsfiAXMEE
Then THEY would have zero qualms about feeding a few hundred or even thousands into the meat grinder of an orchestrated war (to keep up appearances some folks need to die… nothing like a real war though… just a few bodies to go with the crisis actor scenes that we have been seeing regularly out of Uke – which indicates THEY do have some compassion – otherwise why use crisis actors – just kill more people huh)…
THEY do not put any value on human lives — why should they – there are billions of excess humans — killing them is like killing rats… there will always be more coming …
If you can get your mind around that you could see that this faux war is an excellent strategy… without it the world likely would have ended already …
The mob would have worked out that we were f789ed… that the inflation was not transitory – there was no hope for them or their progeny… they’d have panicked and fell into despair…
And BAU don’t like that kinda thing.
It’s a chess game — they think like Spock. Spock is a metaphor for THEY.
Euro inflation rate in the Baltic states is currently 20%.
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https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/EU-ECB-deposit-rate-2022-10-27.png
https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/EU-inflation-2022-10-31-Germany-CPI-total.png
https://wolfstreet.com/2022/10/31/horror-show-inflation-in-euro-countries-overall-10-7-germany-11-6-without-energy-6-9/
Horror-Show Inflation in Euro Countries: Overall 10.7%, Germany 11.6%, Without Energy 6.9%
“Defeating inflation is our mantra, our mission, our mandate,” and that’s “why we have to raise interest rates”: ECB’s Lagarde now, after years of money-printing and NIRP.
https://wolfstreet.com/2022/10/31/horror-show-inflation-in-euro-countries-overall-10-7-germany-11-6-without-energy-6-9/
Hahaha… it’s not working! As they furiously push buttons and pull levers…
Boom Coming
The trailer of a movie about the effects of getting jabs is here.
I predict this will be far too shocking for Normies, but popcorn time for Doomies.
Norman, you’ll have to decide which team you are on when you watch this.
As Steve Kersh says in this 4-minute trailer, “Most people don’t want to know what’s in this vaccine.”
I showed this to my unjabbed wife, and when she saw the embalmers pulling elastic-band-like clots out of the arteries of recently deceased people at the two-and-a-half minute mark, she refused to watch any more.
https://rumble.com/v1qt8zg-died-suddenly-official-trailer-streaming-november-21st.html
nooooo
going for jabs results in a flat tyre
not doing that
Thanks Tim – suprised only ~400 views on Rumble – not many willing to take a look so far….
Here is another compilation of “heresay” “evidence” – (Maybe Mike would like to respond after he recovers from realizing what is flowing (well not so much) rather potentially clogging his veins):
“Between 21 July 2021 and August 2022 evidence of undisclosed ingredients in the Covid “vaccines” was published by at least 26 researchers/research teams in 16 different countries across five continents.Their findings are remarkably siimilar and highlight a clear and present danger that the world population has been lied to about the contents of the “vaccines”
”
This article summarising (with pages and pages of photos) the 26 research papers about what appears to be is in the Covid “vaccines” and blood/plasma post vaccination. Published in the International Journal of Vaccine Theory, Practice and Research by David Hughes
https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/52/96
https://wolfstreet.com/2022/10/31/horror-show-inflation-in-euro-countries-overall-10-7-germany-11-6-without-energy-6-9/
“inflation horror-show” just in time for Halloween.
10.7% in the EU now, and no sign of a slowdown or reversal.
and to think, a mere 7 weeks until winter begins.
I thought they would scrape through winter okay, but now I’m not so sure.
I wonder if Wolf will have an ‘we are f789ed’ epiphany … and become mentally ill….
At one point I’d post stuff knowing he’d never publish it … but I let him know I didn’t care cuz I knew he read it – and that was all that matters… he was somewhat pissed off at me. hahahaha…
It’s not a nice feeling to realize we are doomed. I highly recommend the cherry flavoured Fent.. I heard it tastes like real cherries.
There was a discussion about Ephesus, which the Turks call it Selcuk (after the Seljuk Turks, best known for driving the Byzantines from Anatolia in the 11th century).
The very fact that it is still Turkish is an abomination.
after the Great War ended, the Allies should have punished Mustafa Kemal (I refuse to call him with whatever title the Turks bestowed to) for Galipoli (which the Turks refuse to call it with that name, preferring the name Cannakale).
The Treaty of Sevres would have the Turks kicked into Anatolia, and Britain, France, Armenia, Greece and Italy would have dismembered it, Constantinople placed under an eternal ‘International Zone’.
Mustafa Kemal is the only person in history who got away crossing the British Empire. Yet the foolish Ozzies and Aotearoans have some kind of respect on him. I don’t know what’s wrong with them – they should have made the Turks unwelcome in these countries, once for all.
It might have seemed a good idea to keep Turkey intact. It is certainly not a good idea for the Republic of Turkey to exist today.
“Again recall that the transmission lines in Ukraine are Soviet-built to old Soviet standards (750/330kV) and have been updated with Russian equipment. No one in the West can replace the transformers and other critical elements Russia is destroying.”
Russia is not targeting power generation, but transmission, to crippple Ukrainian military operations.
this is long range strategy, since the Russians will have far less costs when repairing the transmission damages, after they have secured total victory.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/10/electro-shock-therapy-for-slow-learners-in-the-electric-war-part-iii.html
Lots of details that most of use are not aware of. Electricity transmission is set to different standards in different parts of the world.
Gail, you said “Tim Morgan basically believes the EROEI story. He doesn’t understand the physics based story that the economy is really based on. They are not the same. The EROEI folks do not understand how the system works.”
Can you explain? I thought EROEI was a measure of how useful an energy source is, based on the net energy it generates. Isn’t net energy our primary problem?
Our number one problem is too much population for energy resources. The EROEI story misses this part of the story. EROEI is an attempt to measure “cost,” in some partial sense. It doesn’t get at the issue of scalability, at all. With respect to the way the physics based economy really works, what is important is the quantity of energy per capita.
Also, each kind of energy has its own niche. Different energy types are not substitutable, any more than a lettuce only diet would be substitutable for a diverse diet that most of us expect to have. Our bodies could not live on a lettuce alone any more than our economy could live on wind and solar alone.
The growing size of government is terribly important. In fact, one of the major things that net energy indirectly does is help pay for growing government. It is my view that any type of energy with true net energy should be able to be sold at a high enough price that there is a high gap between the [sales price] and the [cost of production]. This high gap is what allows governments to tax energy sources (with “true” net energy), in order to transfer the benefit of this net energy to the rest of the economy. The fact that wind and solar need endless subsidies (including the subsidy of “going first”) tells me that they are not in any reasonable sense producing net energy. They are simply energy sinks.
This is only a small part of the problem. A study of EROEI allows people to think that they know more than they really do. The economy is really a very interconnected system. Growing debt at ever-lower interest rates is an important part of it. Once interest rates start rising, the system is very seriously stressed. EROEI analysis completely misses this connection.
EROEI analysts seem to think that the economy can go on endlessly, without collapsing, even if extraction of fossil fuel resources is very much reduced. They tend to have far too much confidence that energy reserves can be extracted, if we have the technology to extract them and the EROEI is high enough. It is lack of appreciation of the much bigger system that is involved that trips up this approach.
that is a fine comment.
I intend to comment more, but the first thing I really want to say is that Gail’s OFW is one of the two best sites for understanding the economic predicament facing the world today, and Tim’s SEE is the other one.
there are different particulars that each of you emphasize, and despite the differences, and maybe because of the differences, the two sites complement each and give a fuller understanding of the world economic situation.
having said that, I’ll try to explain why there is much more to SEE than just deriving a model of the near future by merely using EROEI.
to me, SEE is a bit optimistic, and in my OPINION the Doomers who comment here are generally a bit too pessimistic, and so I FEEL that I am somewhat in the middle, which is why I value BOTH (no connection to Tim, he doesn’t need to be defended and he’s not going to be entirely correct on his modeling, but there is some value there).
I’ve supported the value of OFW while commenting at SEE, so I might as well reverse it here.
careful peter
eddy is re-adjusting his laser-rant device onto you
norm you are in a precarious situation … we need to prep another NOF just in case…
We don’t know how old Peter and he’s not suggested murdering babies to protect him so we’ll remove the N and O.
Tell us norm – why only 4 shots when 6 are on offer?
Peter has kids—no mention of descendants populating an entire country like me (Genghis Khan is my mentor)
vaxxing brings me flat tyres—hence have given up.
Gail, EROEI is a very important point, but most people leave out a huge part of the energy cost.
Taking Peter’s Nuclear Power Plants as an example. Most people want to count just the copper, steel, cement, etc that goes into building them as the ‘cost’. Nothing could be further from the truth. If I gave him a pile of copper, steel, cement etc in all the correct quantities, no-one could build a NPP from it. All the ‘ingredients’ need careful specialist fabrication into very exact shapes and sizes, which means very specialist factories and equipment to do this. These separate factories also need specialist factories need their own specialist equipment that come from other specialist factories etc, etc.
There is a huge chain of businesses and ”normality’ that needs to continue to happen in the background to enable any NPP to be built. There are also the boring everyday things like roads, trucks, ships etc that need to function as well.
The single best way to find the energy cost of any ‘energy’ producer is the cost that takes into account all the background systems. Right now the cost in the USA is around $15B for something like the Vogtle NPP (1,150Mwh each reactor).
One of these at the US average of 93% capacity factor, will return 1,150Mw X 24 X 365 X .93 Mwh of electricity per year.
9,368,820Mwh of electricity/year. (excluding O&M costs that will reduce this).
The new Leer South Coal mine in West Virginia cost $400M and the 8Mt/a output produces 64,000,000Mwh of coking coal.
On a cost for cost basis as the coal plant costs only 2.66% of what the NPP costs (capital only). Taking just 2.66% of the output of the NPP means an energy return of 249,835Mwh compared to 64,000,000Mwh on a $400M like for like basis.
The NPP will never return the energy it cost to build it after O&M energy costs are taking into consideration, while the coal mine will throw off multiples of it’s capital energy cost every year.
We built our modern civilization on the excess energy thrown off by fossil fuel mines, none of the man made ones come close to emulating the excess energy given off by FFs.
We are only kidding ourselves by trying to build all the man made energy sources. We’d be better off leaving the FFs in the ground and using them more slowly over the next couple of decades until we run out, instead of using them now to return lower grade energy over the next generation until they also stop being useful. Using more now by building ‘renewables and nuclear’ is just an excuse to keep growing.
The Chinese are building pressurised water nuclear powerplants for a fraction of the cost of the Vogtle units.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianwan_Nuclear_Power_Plant
The Vogtle PWRs are literally 10x more expensive than VVER units of comparable power in China. Are the Chinese really able to build these plants using one tenth of the energy input? I find that hard to believe.
The cost of nuclear powerplants has more to do with build time and discount rates. The Chinese are able to build quickly.
Thank you. Very interesting explanation.
I agree.
Just looking at energy and EROEI, you miss the complexity of the globalised inter-dependency.
According to Dr. Louis Arnoux:
‘We’ have ten years?
“ . . . our best estimate is that the net energy
33:33 per barrel available for the global
33:36 economy was about eight percent
33:38 and that in over the next few years it
33:42 will go down to zero percent
33:44 uh best estimate at the moment is that
33:46 actually the
s33:47 per average barrel of sweet crude
33:51 uh we had the zero percent around 2022
33:56 but there are ways and means of
33:58 extending that so to be on the safe side
34:00 here on our diagram
34:02 we say that zero percent is definitely
34:05 around 2030 . . .
we
34:43 need net energy from oil and [if] it goes
34:46 down to zero
34:48 uh well we have collapsed not just
34:50 collapse of the oil industry
34:52 we have collapsed globally of the global
34:54 industrial civilization this is what we
34:56 are looking at at the moment . . . “
Fred, here’s 4 SEE graphs:
https://surplusenergyeconomics.files.wordpress.com/2022/10/242-e.jpg
he calls it ECoE Energy Cost of Energy instead of EROEI.
notice the pink band ECoE on the left side graph? notice how small it is, but how it is increasing slightly through his model to 2040?
that’s a model of the real world, where surplus energy is only going to get worse. But it’s only a model, using the energy supply trends up to today to give an approximation of future trends. The future curve is smooth, because it’s impossible to model when there will be sharp downturns, like in the past curve which you will notice is bumpy.
now look at the rest of the graph where the real action is. Prosperity (green line) is peaking about now, and MUST decline, because surplus energy MUST decline.
a BIG insight is that essentials will continue to increase in cost due to the energy situation, and therefore non-essentials will be an ever smaller piece of the pie, which is a shrinking pie.
it is clearer on the right side graph, where he models discretionary (non-essential) goods and services to be DOWN 50% by 2040.
is that not doomy enough of a model?
now, I will again repeat that I think SEE is too optimistic.
the models still retain value, because I can look at them and in my mind’s eye I can bend them to where they decline faster and sooner.
essentials will always be increasing in costs, and will be gradually making non-essentials no longer affordable, sooner or later, perhaps very soon, models can’t predict the future.
much more than increasing ECoE, it is the ever increasing costs of essentials and the ever decreasing affordability of non-essentials that eventually will collapse IC.
it will be just about over and done when basic essentials begin to be no longer affordable by the average person.
just to add, in SEE the essentials segment includes “essential” government services, as well as the personal things, mostly “goods”, required by citizens.
Another Chinese nuclear power station.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangjiang_Nuclear_Power_Station
A cost of $10.2bn for 6000MW of capacity. That is $1700/kW. Given the high capacity factor and low fuel cost of PWRs, this makes Chinese nuclear power one of the cheapest sources of electricity in the world. The Chinese are able to achieve these low costs by reliably completing powerplants in 4-5 years.
There is no practical reason why we in the West cannot achieve the same. The experience is the same in South Korea. Build costs are about $2500/kWe. The $15,000/kWe for the Vogtle units is absurd. It is an example of a project that is disasterously managed, with build times stretching into decades.
The West is obsessed with preventing any possible cause of failure of the system. In recent years, they have been redesigning nuclear power systems, even after construction has been started. This has led to huge cost overruns and financial failures of companies building the systems. This is part of the West’s problem.
Also, the crazy “time of day” pricing system of competitive rating systems leads to negative payments for electricity at some times of day. This is not a pricing scheme that nuclear power plants can handle. Any area that subsidizes wind and solar by allowing them to “go first” in generation tends to drive out nuclear, including newly built nuclear. The overall average price collected for electricity tends to be too low for all providers, with this pricing scheme. Those with big front-end investments are particularly affected.
What is needed instead is “utility type pricing.” With this type of pricing, the utility determines how much to charge customers, including advance charges for nuclear plants under constructions. I live in Georgia in the US, in the area that will receive the benefit of the new Vogtle Nuclear Power Plants. We have utility type pricing. We have already been paying for the plants for several years.
Without a funding mechanism and protection from the ridiculous negative rates caused by allowing wind and solar to go first, nuclear cannot work.
There is a long history of nuclear building costs being far higher in the West than in other parts of the world. I think part of it is the West’s love of complexity, and a need to try to prevent everything that they perceive might be a problem. The West doesn’t necessarily understand what might be a problem, however, so this approach doesn’t necessarily add much to safety.
You say,
” BIG insight is that essentials will continue to increase in cost due to the energy situation, and therefore non-essentials will be an ever smaller piece of the pie, which is a shrinking pie.”
This big insight really isn’t right, in my opinion. The big insight is that the system will start falling apart. Shelves in stores will be empty. You may have lots of money, but nothing to buy.
Also, countries will start fighting with one another. In this warlike situation, everything will be different.
A somewhat separate issue is that once models are codified, there will be others attempting to use them as well. These people will not understand what is going on. They will see an EROEI of, say, 45 for wind energy and decide that certainly it will solve all of its energy problems. This is complete nonsense, but researchers at a distance from what is going on don’t understand how misleading these ratios really are.
Of course, Tim Morgan doesn’t let people see his model, so he doesn’t have this direct problem. But Tim Morgan’s model is closely modeled off the EROEI model, and the people with lots of published EROEI results have many people assuming that the results mean that wind and solar can save the world.
You explain things so marvelously, with such decorum and calm.
My blood pressure stays low, without medication.
Mine stays high. I’m drawn to fight or flight responses. (Today it was a response to a junk caller.) I’m not good at pulling myself up by the bootstraps. I simply don’t know what to do. I would appreciate prayers.
We don’t need horrors for Halloween. Everything which happened since 1910s which led us further from Singularity is a horror story.
People can walk 4 hrs a day for jobs. How long , who knows, but the dropouts are forgotten and new bodies take their places.
No medical care, no workers’ comp. If they are injured, too bad. Next.
The workers in Lewis Fine’s photos lived before workers comp was a thing. The workers knew if they were killed or critically injured, there would be no or very little compensation (the legendary Triangle Fire victims were paid $75/each, while the owners were paid $50,000. I am sure their descendants are still doing quite well) yet they went to work the next day, to feed their families.
We have to go back to such societies to minimize cost. To minimize transportation cost, workers could be housed in empty parking lots, and live in used vans and mobile lactrines. Drones would police their quarters.
21st century tech for the stakeholders of civilization, 18th century tech for the rest, minimizing resource consumption as much as possible.
I haven’t read enough of your posts to get your angle, but I’m assuming sarcasm here. And yet I doubt.
Reading your older posts, I think you are serious. Some new blood for this blog. Let’s see how long they can swim against the tide. Reality is a bit#$.
Happy halloweeeeeen!
Happy halloween for you too !
Please let me propose this.
Sorry for being too traditional 🙂
hahaha…
For security reasons, the outside world is rarely shown the destruction of Ukraine’s critical infrastructure by Russian airstrikes.
Ukrainian officials say this is to avoid sharing information that could be used in future attacks, including locations hit – or potentially missed.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63463697
Hang on … doesn’t Russia have satellites that have cameras that can read license plates…
Doesn’t Russia have drones that could fly over a bombed area and check the damage?
Could it be that there is NO damage so they don’t want to show that?
Hahahaha… this is a f789ing JOKE. But it’s a useful ‘war’… it explains the inflation and it is temporary… just gotta sort out that Putin villain
The Telegram group Intel Slava Z, and a couple of often linked content groups, show a lot of battle damage… depending on the day. That said, Im not sure what I would rather wish for.
There is some staged stuff … and a bit of real stuff… but it’s not really what we would refer to as a war…
It’s theatre… to provide cover for the disaster that is unfolding.
https://wolfstreet.com/2022/10/31/horror-show-inflation-in-euro-countries-overall-10-7-germany-11-6-without-energy-6-9/
Plenty of fine visuals on that article including
https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/EU-inflation-2022-10-31-Germany-CPI-total.png
How useful is that Uke war to make the mob believe the raging inflation is only temporary and prevent panic and despair?
Can it be any more obvious? hahahahaha So they kill a few hundred people — what does it matter — we will all soon be dead.
Give thanks to the Uke War for every extra week of life we enjoy.
A few months ago I gave an update on my media brainwashed, left leaning sister-in-law who lives in Germany. I promised to give updates periodically as her situation progressed.
A month ago she was all upset over US gun rights…as if this is her issue to be concerned about. She was not concerned about Germany involvement is arming NATO or sanctioning Russia. Last week she complained about “Russian cutting of our gas” and in the next breath she complained that “someone” blew up the Nordstream pipeline.
It was amazing that Through cognitive failure she could not connect the dots on “who benefits”…who did it and why.
Now she has related that there are shortages of stuff in the stores…and that a local spa and health center with a large indoor pool is being shutdown and dismantled due to high energy costs. This spa brought in not only regional visits but international clients…who stayed in hotels and visited there. So now the local economy is in slow collapse. Many of the shops are doomed, and the local economy will collapse due to closure of the spa and health center.
Similar shortages and collapse…coming to all over Germany.
The Degrowth Agenda can’t please all the people all the time.
Thanks for the update. Travel will have to decline, as availability of energy supplies lessens.
“Russian cutting of our gas”….. it’s not German gas if it is produced in Siberia, or is it?
Nice update; its like watching the audience instead of the circus and how the audience is manipulated; emotions and thoughts are so easily tangled up.
‘Now she has related that there are shortages of stuff in the stores….’
Say what, shortages?!! Is this actually a surprise? Go figure.
So entitled we are to full bellies and stocked shaelves.
Ask her if she thinks the situation will return to normal as soon as Zelensky defeats the uber villain Putin
On second thought we already know the answer hahaha
imagine that – creating a war — so that people think inflation is transitory!!!
That one world govt (run by the Elders) is amazing
I think ex M.D. Hubbs could answer this better than me, but in most countries where private care is the norm, the patient is kept alive until the last of his/her money is gone.
Which , I think, is very predatory and shows a blatant lack of concern to the future generations.
I think the socialized medicine practiced in the former socialist bloc, where a hopeless patient is simply left to die, is better since it saves resources.
Most of the expenses of a patient comes from the patient’s final year, and frankly speaking, a sharp blow by an axe to the head is much cheaper and efficient to solve this issue.
It is wrong for 90% of the world pop to use modern medicine
It is wrong for 90% of the world pop to use modern digital gadgets
and
It is wrong for 90% of the world pop to use any transportation using fossil fuels in any way, including electrical vehicles using parts using FF.
All good with me; the 10% of the world population who are approved to use modern medicine can have my share.
Its safe and effective.
Imagine giving people anti-biotics like lollies when there are more bacterial cells in your body than your own.
Its safe and effective.
etc
etc
Modern medicine doesn’t understand health.
i believe the first penicillin treatments (1940s), although rudimentary, did cure otherwise fatal infections.
Are you suggesting that such treatments should have been rejected, and that the body would cure itself?
I daresay numerous soldiers in WW2 would disagree with you.
Yes, it is wrong to OD on antibiotics, or use that medication wrongly, but that is human stupidity, not the medication itself—and yes, infections seem to be evolving beyond the power of antibiotics—but that is an entirely different matter
So the 1940’s patient goes away with his wonder penicillan and is ‘cured’. S/he returns to the same conditions and wouldn’t you know it, the cure is temporary.
This is modern medicine. Your storyline is too narrow, as is the approach of modern medicine.
‘One of the most important differences is that the modern medical approach seeks to dominate both human physiology and disease so that the intended medical outcome can be achieved instead of working in harmony with the natural physiology and healing capacities of the body to arrive at the desired outcome. In some ways, this is helpful (especially for emergencies), but it frequently falls short and results in more harm than benefit occurring from each forceful medical intervention that it utilized.
In order to maintain the modern medical paradigm, many of the natural physiologic, emotional, mental, and spiritual processes of the body must be ignored.’
https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/why-do-vaccines-consistently-fail
And so are the conditions leading to poor health.
Warning Norm, read this link at your peril.
‘Sadly, this concept is not understood within Western medicine, and as a result, signs that the body is attempting to expel a pathogenic factor (e.g. a rash or a fever) are interpreted as the disease itself, and many therapies are thus aimed at suppressing these uncomfortable responses. This is particularly unfortunate as the onset of chronic illnesses often follows that suppression (e.g. autism onsetting in a febrile child after they are administered Tylenol).’
‘conditions leading to poor health’ are almost entirely due to overcrowding of species, which is itself unnatural—ie too many of us.
same applies to any animal
disease culls them–and us
Lifestyles are the cause of ill-health. Overcrowding is often a factor but the modern western diet of highly processed foods is head and shoulders below any other dietary input for dis -ease.
The ho1y grail of modern medicine, the Vax schedule, is right up there with other lifestyle factors.
Hence we compare very badly, and the US medicine influenced dependencies particularly so, with other societies eg; mediteranean diet, or some sub-Saharan ‘overcrowded’ countries for wierd health outcomes.
overcrowding and poor diet are synonymous
I would have thought that didn’t need pointing out.
If you live in a city of 10m people, then it stands to reason that your food will be unhealthily processed to give you (cheap) access to it.
That same process factor will dominate the entire food industry too, because it will be far cheaper than organic stuff, so most people will buy it.
Free Paxlovid hahaha…
Maybe they should embed it in chewing gum and hand that out.. take as much as you want… it helps with creating the Demon Covid
The nursing home managed to keep my end stage dementia mother alive just long enough to get her approved for medicaid. Two days after being approved she died. They might have upped the morphine to clear out that bed for a new customer once I got her approved which was a horrible and expensive process to show she was out of money. An axe to the head would be a lot more humane than a slow death from starvation, dehydration, and bedsores but everyone wants a cut of money first like a pack of hyenas. She wanted to die at home but ended up in the hospital to nursing home pipeline in the final months due to a fall. I’d like to have one of those Fast Eddy candy Fents in my back pocket for when my time comes.
A general “accepted” figure was that 90% of medical expenses are incurred in the last 6 months of life. No supporting documentation, and I don’t believe the data now anyway, so don’t know if I am just pushing a false narrative, but this does not conflict with my experience. Most of the people I knew ( my garndparents) in the old days died at home without accumulating any medical costs, at least from hospitalization except for my maternal grandmother who broke her hip at age 90, and who had never spent a DIME on any medication or doctor her entire life, ran up a huge tab for her hip surgery. It really didn’t make any difference. She died in the nursing home within 3 months after discharge.
It absolutely stunned me seeing how much time, energy, technology, supplies were expended on these patients in the ICUs. Just the amount of waste thrown into the sterile bins after an operation was enough to pollute a landfill.
One of the most incredulous examples in my career was having to fix an old man’s (80’sh?) broken hip. He was alert, full of piss and vinegar, and had been treated for known double primary cancers: prostate and lung, with known documented metastases to the brain.
His and my desires were to schedule him that day for simple hip pinning. A 30 minute operation. He was in better shape than he was ever going to be to get the surgery done immediately. Reasonably good blood test on CBC, Chem 20, no signs of ischemia on his EKG, and stable (no interval change) on his chest x-ray.
We both agreed for him to make his stand now rather than later. If he made it, he made it. If he died, well, he knew that possibilty too.
Should have been ready to go, right?
Not so fast “buster,” or in this case, “doctor.”
Anesthesiology would not consent to giving him a spinal or an epidural until he had had “cardiac clearance” by cardiology and general medical clearance through his oncologist/internist. Let’s do the workup:
Cardiology and Internal Medicine consults including some extraneous labs.
Echocardiogarm- to see how well his heart was functioning.
Adenosine cardiac stress test.
CT of head, chest, and abdomen.
None of these tests altered the inital treatment plan from when he arrived.
This delay and all the scheduling and the doctors getting all the proper “documentation” delayed the case for three days. Was he pissed! “I don’t care about all these God damned tests. When the hell am I going to get this fixed?” Lying in bed with an unstable intertrochanteric hip fracture is agonizing.
He had declined markedly by the time we got to the OR for a simple hip compression screw-plate four days later. He was discharged to the nursing home a few days later where he died a week or two after that having never even stood up again at his bedside with all the “physical therapy ” ceremonial penciling in of treatment modalities.
I have no worries about dying here at “home”(where I currently live until /if I can sell it) if something happens. What I worry about is running into trouble outside the office and getting scooped up and transported to the hospital where I will be shaken down to my last dollar which my daughter will need. Ironically, have been reconsidering getting that concealed carry permit – not because of protection against muggers and thieves, but to sure that the ambulance people don’t take me alive.
I appreciate your views. I have seen my grandmother deteriorating for 10 plus years. I have vowed myself to never die in a hospital. There is a spot in Maui where I intend to meet my end.
From zero hedge article.
“According to the Financial Times, China accounts for 33 per cent of sales at Applied Materials, 27 per cent at Intel and 31 per cent at Lam Research.”
And poof its gone
Thats more than a ouch
What will China get with the dollars it gets selling trinkets to the savages now?
I predict they will start to make their own. Eventually it will be as good, and cheaper than Applied Materials.
I would not be surprised that in the meantime, a few behind the scenes conversations are held with “key players” in Taiwan…with a few promises made in the event that chips made in Taiwan are withheld from China. Who knows what those conversations might be like…possibilities of unfortunate accidents occurring, who knows.
China will get their chips from Taiwan…guaranteed.
If Chucky Fitzclarence and the 200 Worcestershires didn’t f**k up at Gheluvalt, whose battle was finished 108 years before today, the poor of the Advanced World would still be living like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbgAscHeRcE
Virtually no carbon footprint to the poor of the Core, let alone the Colonies.
All the improvements of the quality of life of the poor in the major Western countries took place after the Great War, when those soldiers with military experience returned with a lot of anger and revolutionary spirit.
Again, if Chucky didn’t do ‘his duty’ and ran, these street urchins would have lived like that in the 1920s and beyond, while all these wondrous superstructures heading towards space would have been built, out of touch of lower classes, colonials and other peoples who don’t really belong there.
Since the late Dr. Robert Firth praised Chucky and his 200 morons, I presume the late Dr. Firth would have come from a class which would not exactly have belonged to a class which would have produced Oxford Ph.D’s before Chucky’s F**kup; instead Dr. Firth’s family would have belonged to the lower middle class where he would have continued to belong. I don’t know about TIm or Peter Cassidy, but if one was not part of 4% it would have been very unlikely for them to improve their position of life if Chucky didn’t kill off most of UK’s creme the creme because of his idiotic act which the late Dr. Firth praised because it probably helped to raise the late Dr’s own social position.
1920s imagination of the future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL47-RIyj8E
(When there were still some optimism remaining – remember, most of the originators of these didn’t serve in the trenches for one reason or another!)
Extreme poverty for the bottom 90% of advanced world , absolute penury for most of the Third World (about 6 billion) and preservation of the important elements needed for future tech is the only way to advance civilization now.
Or maybe civilization stops advancing.
If you need oil, coal, gas and electricity for even a tiny fraction of the population, it takes a whole lot of workers to make the overall system work. These people need to have transportation to their jobs. Roads need to be paved. A significant share of the whole system needs to work, to support the top tiny percentage of the system.
This is of course a fundamental energy truth found in all simple regional agricultural civilizations let alone a full scale planetary agroindustrial one.
Humanity has repeatedly failed to grow in the spiritual and true intellectual dimensions required to facilitate continued city based highly entropic societal existence.
I posit that it is in these dimensions one must look for solace and explanation. The coming “ celestial events” ( all completely manufactured, but for earth based humanity, completely real) will once again wipe the slate clean and remove most collective memories of the fossil fuel trial run.
What comes next?
All evidence points to a collapse of the entire holography very soon.
Maybe a trial run at using dark matter monsters to do the heavy lifting? ….. maybe a brief sojourn under the heavy water laden atmosphere of a vapor canopy where humans grow 15 feet tall and cannot die?…….or maybe, after the earths surface has been blasted and scoured by solar fury, after the Nemesis object makes landfall,…..we humans get to gaze into the face of what and who we really are.
A few words on Simon Michaux’s work. A video presentation given by Simon Michaux was shown earlier in these comments. It is well worth watching. Here is an article summarising his findings:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/23/is-there-enough-metal-to-replace-oil/
Essentially, the world has nowhere near sufficient mineral resources to allow a green tech energy revolution based upon electrochemical batteries and intermittent renewable energy sources. I am want to focus on a few critical resource in particular. From the DOE quadrennial energy review, 1TWh of electricity from the following sources requires:
Copper: Nuclear (PWR): 3 ton; Wind energy: 23 ton; Solar PV: 850 ton.
Aluminium: Nuclear (PWR): 0 ton; Wind energy: 35 ton; Solar PV: 680 ton
Steel/Iron: Nuclear (PWR): 165 ton; Wind energy: 1920 ton; Solar PV: 3309 ton
Concrete/Cement: Nuclear (PWR): 760 ton; Wind energy: 8000 ton; Solar PV: 4050 ton
Data source:
https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2017/03/f34/qtr-2015-chapter10.pdf
No one should be surprised that the world has insufficient mineral resources to support a wind, solar, battery energy revolution. The data above has been available to anyone that cared to look for some years now.
The data also tells us where the real energy solution to fossil fuel depletion is likely to be found. Whilst there are technological and institutional problems with scaling up nuclear power to the task of supplying 36,000TWh per year, there are no mineral resource limitations to doing so. To be clear, scaling up nuclear power to these levels will be very challenging in a post Peak Oil world. But we do at least know that it is at least possible in principle, from a material resource perspective, to achieve this. I would suggest that discussion should shift towards how this can be carried out. There is no question about the need to do it. And so far we know, there are no other options. The sensible discussion to have now is how we can scale up nuclear energy, safely and affordably, in the time we have remaining.
A problem has solutions.. Predicaments.. well.. they just are..
What we are going to live through.. is a predicament. There are no solutions..
In 1980 William R Catton published a book called “Overshoot”. Later Catton wrote a followup called “Bottleneck”.
In his books Catton describes how we are hopelessly in Overshoot. And a collapse is inevitable.
OFW has many different views what that collapse is, and how it will play out. But in broad strokes.. a collapse of civilization is baked in to the cake. Nothing.. absolutely nothing can be done to avoid a collapse.
First Catton entertained the idea of extinction.. but later realized our abundant current civilization leaves such a legacy of raw materials and infrastructure to the scavangers, that extinction is probably not going to happen. Probably.. but who knows
Think about our predicament this way.. if all the nations of our fair earth come together and start building small modular nuclear reactors. Fast, cheap affordable.. tens of thousands SMRs, abundant energy for everyone.. Great.. now we have thwarted Collapse be maybe by one year.. maybe even two..
When in severe Overshoot.. a collapse.. is.. unavoidable
Did he mention spent fuel ponds?
This guy has a different and interesting perspective. https://www.mariobuildreps.com
Briefly the geographical pole shifts every so often due to crust movement caused by the Earth’s orbit being eccentric and causes obvious chaos, terminates civilisations etc.
Humans have been around for 400,000+ years, various monuments attest to that.
Probably doesn’t change anything, because we’ll collapse before the next event.
“There is no question about the need to do it. ”
The planet has done just fine without industrial civilization. And it’s done beautifully without agricultural civilization. The ‘need’ is only in your head.
Why is it in your head?
It is clear to me that many of the individuals frequenting this board, really do want to watch the world burn. That is about as sick as it is is possible to be.
I am guessing you don’t have children and therefore have not much care about watching human civilisation collapse. I have three children. I am in no desperate hurry to see them starve to death, or die from cold, chollera, murder by cannibals – take your pick. I know in the grand scheme of things we are all dead. But I don’t see why life should be miserable and short unnecesarily.
“It is clear to me that many of the individuals frequenting this board, really do want to watch the world burn. That is about as sick as it is is possible to be.”
The level of projection here is mindboggling.
If we notice a reality (“everybody dies”) does that mean in your twisted little mind that we are killing people?
It’s okay if you are too emotionally weak to accept the future that’s coming but please stop accusing people that tell you the truth of being “sick”.
If you are so convinced there is a solution – go and implement it. Invest all your money and time on it and come back in 10 (or 20 or 40) to gloat about it.
BTW, this kind of typical armchair warrior that blames the critics is so typical of CIA warmongering that it’s hard to believe you are (willing or not) a tool.
Don’t let the door hit you in the back.
If ever a man needed a holiday.
My point is ‘Reante’ that mass death is clearly the outcome you want. Regardless of however inevitable it might be. You constantly detract from even partial solutions because you want collapse to annihilate the civilisation that you despise. It is clear in everything you write. Why deny your feelings?
And then there’s the saying, which I also said to you when you first arrived, that the hallmark of intelligence is the ability to hold two ‘opposing’ thoughts at the same time: I do indeed want this hyperdominant culture to die AND I am not looking forward to most everyone that I know and love dying. That’s the personal side of the predicament.
You’re resorting to logical fallacy. I’m not you’re enemy.
‘And then there’s the saying, which I also said to you when you first arrived, that the hallmark of intelligence is the ability to hold two ‘opposing’ thoughts at the same time: I do indeed want this hyperdominant culture to die AND I am not looking forward to most everyone that I know and love dying. That’s the personal side of the predicament.’
I see. I suppose I do feel much the same way if I am being honest. There are a lot of things about our ellitist society that I do dislike. I would like to see certain things change. But the thought of suffering on the scale that now seems inevitable is difficult to accept. I keep trying to explore scenarios that would at least reduce the scale of collapse. But in a finite environment, with finite space, land and resources, there is limited scope for mitigation. It is a bitter pill to swallow.
Well … if you gotta die ain’t it better if everyone you know dies too?
My biggest concern about dying would be that I miss out on lots of fun stuff…
But if everyone dies around the same time — I don’t miss out on anything.
Worst case scenario is some people linger for a few extra weeks — suffering horribly (murder rape radiation poisoning)… so dying early during the extinction … is a positive outcome.
Right on.
FWIW, I’ve been making the case here that the elites are doing and will continue to do the best possible job that they can to manage collapse.because it’s in their best interests to do so, too. But it hasn’t been and won’t be pretty. I believe that they’ve already almost killed my dad with the vaxxx. So it goes.
dunno why i keep labouring this point—those who ‘get it’ don’t need me, those who don’t are so fixated that nothing will shift it.
Bezos is ‘worth’ xxx $billions, so presumably would be considered an elite. (just using him as a simple example.)
If Bezos gets rid of we unwanted people-billions, then his sheds would be worth literally zilch–nada–nothing.
Why?
Because his wealth depends on the rest of us playing pass the parcel on his behalf.
Ah—– but he has houses, planes, gold bricks, paintings.
Sorry–that doesn’t work either. An ‘object’ is worth only what someone else will pay for it.
Getting rid of ‘us’ will destroy the global economic structure completely. Which essentially means all money and energy input.
Without viable money/energy, ‘valuable’ objects will have no value at all..
But continue with the ‘elite’ delusion by all means.
But at least grant Bezos the intelligence to figure out the above for himself.
Norm
Bezos et Al are the nouveau riche, not the old money elites. He probably shares old money bloodlines but he doesn’t make the decisions. The old money bloodlines would be the original western merchant banking dynasties.
Collapse is collapse for everyone. Global elites don’t get to be global elites after global collapse. We’re well aware of that because 2+2=4. So how about you give us a little more credit. But global elites have the best chances of survival, because they all have private hunting reserves and ranches in prime southern hemisphere locations, with all the trimmings. Maybe some of them think they can transition some bioregions to technological city-states and keep the game going. I’m sure they’ll try.
He who controls the money controls the energy. The money may just be an abstract proxy for the energy but once the energy (surpluses) enable the money, and the money becomes fully centralized (privatized), the tail starts wagging the dog. We’ve all seen tails wagging dogs. See what it is that causes the tail to wag a dog, and apply that to what we’re talking about, and you’re staring straight at the existence of a non-public elite power that wags the dog (fossil fuel driven industrialism) by the tail (the banking system). Why do you think they won’t tell us who are the shareholders of the Fed, Norm? The shareholders who made a fixed 6% a year until a few years ago? The same shareholders who are the primary shareholders of the primary dealers to the Fed, whose names are also non-public.
What are you not understanding here, Norm? What else are you not understanding?
reante
i accept your points but for this one:-
///He who controls the money controls the energy. ////
without the underpinning forces of surplus (ff) energy, money value is reduced to muscle power alone. (As it was pre 17/1800s)
Remove fossil fuels from the debate arena, all you have left is human/animal muscle.
to extract work from muscle, you must feed it. (Human or animal, makes no difference) Yes you can work a slave or horse to death, but that is economically rather short sighted..
Your profit factor then, is the difference between food cost going in, and production coming out, (presumably more food or agricultural type produce.)
You can buy 1000 slaves or 1 slave, the equation remains roughly the same.
The American slave trade, and the vast wealth it produced, did not really gain traction until the industrial revolution kickstarted it.
If you own 10k acres of land, without the surplus inputs of fossil fuels, you would need several hundred men to work it (depending on the crop)
But with the surpluses of fossil fuels, you probably only need a dozen men, plus lots of machinery.
They will deliver wealth out of all proportion to their numbers.
You mention ‘ranches etc “with all the trimmings”.
Those ‘trimmings’ are supplied by a techo-industrial society. Us in other words. Feudal lords require guards. A notoriously fickle bunch, guards. They have a habit of looking inwards, rather than outwards.
you can have the most complex ‘self supporting’ system out in the middle of nowhere, but BAU can’t exist in isolation. A $1 gizmo that fails can bring it all down, the laws of thermodynamics will see to that.
Not denying you ‘credit’ or giving you any.
Just setting it all down, the way things are. There’s lots I don’t understand. I freely admit that. Writing all this down clears my own head on it.
Fantasise about elites, if you wish. It won’t alter reality manifesting itself something along the lines I’ve set out. Certainly some will survive longer than others, but it will all be messy, to say the least,
Norm
A 10,000 acre ranch or wildstocked hunting reserve, or something between the two — a private ranch with a non-public breeding-back program, to aurochs — could, in and of itself, feed 150 (Dunbar’s Number) people on a year-round zero-input grazing program.
http://breedingback.blogspot.com/2022/07/heck-cattle-at-oostvaardersplassen.html?m=1
There are organizational safeguards, and redundancies for those safeguards, that have always kept feudal lords safe through the generations. The first safeguard is that all of your henchmen must be married father’s with their wife and children onsite: you get the idea.
That said there are no guarantees in Life.
Why exactly do you continue to insist that I’m harboring a fantasy regarding the existence of global elites? You need to back up that claim with an actual argument in order to justify it.
to take a slice from one of your comments reante:
/////I’ve been making the case here that the elites are doing and will continue to do the best possible job that they can to manage collapse.because it’s in their best interests to do so, too.///////
please excuse my confusion on the above.
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there’s a great deal i don’t know in this subject under discussion. I try to offer comments on stuff I know a bit about… always subject to correction of course, if it is meaningful.
there are certainly financial elites, and always have been.
their purpose in life is the continuance of their financial security.
this can endanger peoples and nations.
i’ve said many times that the only beneficiaries of war are the makers of munitions–they are by definition a ‘wealthy elite’.
their purpose is to sustain their finances —not to manage collapse.
it takes no great intellect to see that if total war on a global scale resulted in a return to the stone age, there would be little to gain in having a global monopoly on stones.
i agree though, that using family to guard your castle gates is a good idea. Provided you can keep them all on side. Not sure about wives and kids inside though–a lot of mouths to feed.
“it takes no great intellect to see that if total war on a global scale resulted in a return to the stone age, there would be little to gain in having a global monopoly on stones.
i agree though, that using family to guard your castle gates is a good idea. Provided you can keep them all on side. Not sure about wives and kids inside though–a lot of mouths to feed.”
Norm, I’m not making the case that the elites’ plan is total war on a global scale that will send us and them back to the stone age. Nobody’s going back to the stone age unless Cromagnon is truly next-level, and I’m not seeing that, yet, anyway.
On the contrary, I’m making the case that the elites’plan is to manage collapse such that nuclear chaos of the one kind or the other does not ensue. That means a depopulation agenda under various political covers dressed as four horsemen, and the decommissioning and disposing of the nuclear power industry, because, unless I’m mistaken, that’s what this commentariat would obviously come to the consensus to do in this situation. If we look at the lay of the land dispassionately, it’s not hard to see the basics of what needs to be done. It’s just common sense. All we have to do is put ourselves in their shoes. Our only deficit in doing so is that they have a good deal more information made available to them.
so the ever-decreasing circle continues reante—and we all know the end result of that.
As I tried to set out at the start of this thread (re Bezos’s sheds), if the intention of the elite is depopulation, then the wealth base of the ‘elite’—nouveau riche or otherwise, will literally evaporate. Grant the wealthy the intellect to figure that out, at least?
Because it is plebs such as we who support that lifestyle, through the everyday acts of commerce. Doesn’t matter what that commerce is.
An empty world–ie 90% decrease in people, could not support any form of lifestyle that we could exist in.
Global resources, of whatever nature, are worth literally zero unless they are used. (ie converted to something else). Give that some thought.
They cannot be used without the intervention/application of people. (Us again)
The colossal fantasy of course, is the one where we might imagine that world affairs can be ‘managed’.—this is where conspiracies are spawned. conspiracies feed egos, they have no other purpose or meaning. People create them, and embellish them.
They are, in effect online graffiti. Produced by people whose thought base is unstable, needing a prop.
As Gail points out, we are all flotsam on the tide of circumstance. That doesn’t suit our human conceit though.
we fantasise that we are subject to the control of others on a mass scale.
we are not, we just react to circumstance in a collective fashion. It just looks like pre-determination, as does a murmuration of starlings, it looks like someone in controlling us–but no one is, at least not on the scale many propose.
There will be depopulation, no doubt. But it will be of our own doing.
the end result will be unpleasant for everyone
I have children too but i am under no illusions that their future is bleak. I do recommend you read Overshoot Peter, it will jar you out of your bargaining state.
My dad finally read it, he said it was one of the hardest books to read due to the subject matter and the density of the information but he has changed his view but choosing to ignore it mostly I think. That is fine as he is in his 80s.
Buy my product and support my plan that creates million year hazardous waste that we wont talk about or everyone dies and you are sick in the head. Everyone who doesnt support nuclear power hates children and kicks puppies. Quite the sales pitch. Your turning me into a green energy advocate Peter!. Two terrible plans both destined to fail. One creates million year hazardous waste that we have neither the energy or technology to contain. One doesnt. Go green energy.
Hey I know! Well control the rodents by introducing a cobra population! No? YOU HATE CHILDREN.
I’ve figured it out Banned. We won’t sprinkle nuclear waste on our breakfast cereal.
The Earth’s crust is full of toxic substances like arsenic and radium. They are rarely a problem to us. What is it about nuclear waste that you think will make it different to the gigatonnes of toxic crap that is already buried beneath our feet?
BTW, long lived isotopes are mostly actinides. A large nuclear reactor produces about half of one cubic foot of these materials each year. We are talking very small volumes of materials here. The mine tailings from uranium mining are a bigger problem because of their volume. But even so, this is stuff that was in the ground that we have removed. We havn’t created anything.
I find it strange that a couple of hundred cubic feet of higher actinides from all of the world’s reactors, could ever be more of a problem for us than the gigatonnes of mine tailings produced from metal mining every year. We could close the fuel cycle. But to deal with such a non-problem, it isn’t worth the effort. People struggle to get perspective on things.
The thing is … you can repeat that a thousand times till you believe it …
But it wont change reality.
I see where you are coming from — it’s not a pleasant feeling to be confronted with the end of civilization — the PR Team has fed the mob dozens of possible futures… all of them are inventions created by Don Draper… they are not real… they are not possible..
But they do offer hope — so no matter how absurd… the mob will reach for one or more of them…
I know people who think Cryptocurrency is the answer… one of them has been urging me to buy at least one Bitcoin … hahahahahahaahahaha…
Not in my breakfast cereal? How can you say that it will not be without a comprehensive plan to deal with the waste of the industry you most probably are employed by. After all it came from the ground why not just return it to the farmers fields. Born free as free as the wind blows. Ah the it came from the ground we did nothing argument. Safe as dirt. Most everything is made from things of the earth so everything is safe no hazmat at all! HAZMAT doesnt exist. Its imaginary! And the Montanna asbestos miners. Sheer coincidence that every single one of them has destroyed lungs. Destroyed-just like your credibility.
Why have you not discussed waste storage? Why do you not discuss Price-Anderson? Why is the nuclear industry exempt from the basic premise- you make it your responsible-that creates a effective corporate structure that deals with the risks of the materials of a industry? Your attitude displays exactly why in liu of having financial responsibility for hazardous materials invariably people are harmed. “AINT NEVER HURT NO ONE”.
It would seem that your arguments that nuclear energy waste are not unsafe could be simply taken to the local landfill and buried along with household trash. Is that your position? Its unclear because while you have advocated nuclear energy in multiple posts you have not once discussed what you think is appropriate waste containment. I say containment because there is no way to process or treat nuclear waste like many hazardous substances. I await your plan for storage of the nuclear waste that you propose to create. Or is it that you simply think the waste from nuclear plants is inconsequential and no plan necessary? Place it in local lakes? Its actually good for the fish!! I imagine that particular attitude would be widespread amongst other industrial corporations if their industry was granted a price-anderson exclusion from liability. Spent fuel pond safe swimming just a nice heated pool?
“many of the individuals”, no just one Fast Eddy.
That you have children, Peter, is an advantage. Truly self-motivated people are uncommon. Use that motivation to your and their advantage. You certainly owe them that. You choose to have children and it’s a de facto choice to seek the outer path, of action, that Chefurka talked about in the article I shared with you when you first arrived here. The sooner you reach acceptance, the sooner you can get through the mourning period that follows, and the sooner you can realistically lead your family. It will put great strain on most if not all your relationships, which is the very reason few reach the fifth stage of awareness. It requires a high degree of mental toughness. But you can do it, brother.
Where you end up isn’t what’s most important. What’s most important is where you end up in relation to where you began. How far you came as a human being. You set that example for your children and you guys survive another 5, 10, or 15 years, then your children will take it from there, and you will never have known such satisfaction as you will know then.
Rise to the occasion.
Thankyou for those inspiring words.
To be clear, I am under no illusions that nuclear reactors can save the world as it is. Demographic ageing would doom globalisation even if resource problems did not exist.
But the sort of universal mass dieoff that would send a much diminished humanity back to the stone age is something that horrifies me. Maybe it is destined to happen and we cannot stop it. But why not at least try to preserve what we can? If there are tools available that might make the descent more bearable, why not use them?
You’re welcome, brother.
Don’t mind the stone age noise. That’s just doomers dooming. There will be an unlimited supply of stuff to salvage for a very long time. The future will self-organizing so as to maximize living standards just like the past always has. We just need to have learnt our lesson and keep in mind that the seeking of the highest standard of living and the putting of our hearts in the ecology are one and the same act.
What can’t be preserved, can’t be preserved. I’d find it remarkable if this bit and that bit of civilisation could be preserved without the rest of civilisation to prop it up.
I agree with you, Mike.
I advise taking the Super Fent… if the Demon Covid doesn’t kill you and the family – or the Global Holodomor… of the unleashing of the nuclear arsenals.
Cuz if you are unlucky enough to survive all that — there will be murderers and rapists on the lose… and unless you believe you are Tough Guy… it will not be a pleasant end to your life.
Even the Tough Guys won’t last – once they run out of doomie preppers they’ll starve + the fuel ponds will be in play.
Anyone who thinks it is a good idea trying to survive this – is delusional … and way in over their head. Take the painless way out – take Super Fent.
Most humans used to live in what you might think of as misery but most of those would not have thought that at the time. Fossil fuels have given increasing numbers of us the ability to live like royalty or lords of old. But we still want more.
Nuclear can’t be scaled up quickly enough even if the resources are there (Michaux has something to say about that, also). But imagine, not the 450 reactors in operation today, but thousands of reactors spread around the world (assuming you want to retain a global civilisation). With countries appearing to become increasingly unstable and environmental stressors increasing, nuclear power would be just as much a death wish as the other things you read about here.
In any case, civilisation requires the destruction of the natural world. Do you really want to continue that?
‘With countries appearing to become increasingly unstable and environmental stressors increasing, nuclear power would be just as much a death wish as the other things you read about here.’
Even if every nuclear reactor in the world melted down in the way the Fukushima Daichii powerplants did, the pollution mortalities (spread over decades) would be equivalent to about 1 month of fossil fuel air pollution.
Even if all of our energy needs were met by nuclear reactors, the only way that radioactive pollution could approach the sort of toxic load resulting from fossil fuels, would be if we deliberately bled all of the fission products into the atmosphere. Even if all of our energy came from a fleet of RBMK Chernobyl reactors, we would still be much safer than we are presently, burning fossil fuels.
Whilst a nuclear accident certainly isn’t a good thing, it is nowhere close to being a civilisation ending event. The loss of lufe expectancy from radiation in the most heavily contaminated areas of the Chernobyl exclusion zone are about the same as that attributable to air pollution in London.
“The loss of life expectancy from radiation in the most heavily contaminated areas of the Chernobyl exclusion zone are about the same as that attributable to air pollution in London.”
If nuclear power is so safe than its clearly time to repeal Price-Anderson and the nuclear industry can live with the same rules for public safety that every other corporation that deals with hazardous materials right Peter? Price-Anderson frees nuclear plant operators and all firms involved in nuclear construction and maintenance of any liability for offsite accident damage.
So why is Price_Anderson important? Because it allows the nuclear industry to not have to take personal responsibility for any damage it creates. The nuclear industry can regard its hazardous materials as a expense. They pay for insurance. Price-Anderson says they are not liable for more. This creates the exact conditions we saw for chemical dumping in the 70s. Companies gave their waste to a “certified” disposal company. The “certified” disposal company mixed the toxic materials with highway asphalt or dumped in the pine barrens. The company that produced the waste was no longer responsible their responsibility ended with a expense- payment to the “certified” disposal company. This is the exact reason why every other company that creates toxic waste is by law responsible for injury it causes now. You make it you are responsible for its disposal. Companies scrutinize contractors who dispose of their waste with great effort.
Except their is no way to dispose of nuclear waste or contain it for several million years. Nothing else has that kind of service life. Reinforced concrete? Nope. Titanium? Nope. High chromium steel alloy? Nope. New technology ceramics? Nope.
These have service lives of a hundred years not a million.
Buy hey I could be wrong. Just repeal Price-Anderson so those creating the waste are responsible for it. If they are so very sure of the risk to public safety they will have no problem right? Except the no investor in his right mind would take the liability for a substance that is toxic for a million years when we can only contain it for a hundred. And its not even contained for a hundred! Why? Because they pay their “expense” and its no longer a concern. They could wrap the spent fuel rods with saran wrap if it harms people “not their problem”. Nuclear power is a rogue industry. They do not take responsibility for their actions. Taking responsibility for your actions is the duty of every business and every individual.
peter keeps ignoring this
There are 4000 Spent Fuel Ponds Around the Globe…
If you don’t cool the spent fuel, the temperature will rise and there may be a swift chain reaction that leads to spontaneous combustion–an explosion and fire of the spent fuel assemblies. Such a scenario would emit radioactive particles into the atmosphere. Pick your poison. Fresh fuel is hotter and more radioactive, but is only one fuel assembly. A pool of spent fuel will have dozens of assemblies.
One report from Sankei News said that there are over 700 fuel assemblies stored in one pool at Fukushima. If they all caught fire, radioactive particles—including those lasting for as long as a decade—would be released into the air and eventually contaminate the land or, worse, be inhaled by people. “To me, the spent fuel is scarier. All those spent fuel assemblies are still extremely radioactive,” Dalnoki-Veress says.
It has been known for more than two decades that, in case of a loss of water in the pool, convective air cooling would be relatively ineffective in such a “dense-packed” pool. Spent fuel recently discharged from a reactor could heat up relatively rapidly to temperatures at which the zircaloy fuel cladding could catch fire and the fuel’s volatile fission product, including 30-year half-life Cs, would be released. The fire could well spread to older spent fuel. The long-term land-contamination consequences of such an event could be significantly worse than those from Chernobyl.
http://science.time.com/2011/03/15/a-new-threat-in-japan-radioactive-spent-fuel/
Japan’s chief cabinet secretary called it “the devil’s scenario.” Two weeks after the 11 March 2011 earthquake and tsunami devastated the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, causing three nuclear reactors to melt down and release radioactive plumes, officials were bracing for even worse. They feared that spent fuel stored in pools in the reactor halls would catch fire and send radioactive smoke across a much wider swath of eastern Japan, including Tokyo.
https://energyskeptic.com/2017/the-devils-scenario-near-miss-at-fukushima-is-a-warning-for-u-s/
The Chernobyl accident was relatively minor, involved no spent fuel ponds, and was controlled by pouring cement onto the reactor. This was breaking down so a few years back they re-entombed.
Estimates of the cancer burden in Europe from radioactive fallout from the Chernobyl accident
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16628547/
If you say so,Peter. I really haven’t got time to check your figures, nor is it important, since a nuclear build out isn’t going to happen. But it’s not a case of comparing it to coal (and other FF) burning. However, if you’re happy to leap from one predicament to a double predicament, that’s up to you.
Civilisation is coming to an end, no matter how much you wish it were not so. It is unsustainable and so …
which is why i wrote this piece years ago:
https://end-of-more.medium.com/you-are-a-hunter-gatherer-6ef20013ae9e
Our brains haven’t had time to adapt to what we call modern living, we still act in the way our ancestors did, survive or die
Did they listen to the BBC as well.. and fall for the lies?
not quite Peter
They see it as a source of humour, that there is a strong possibility—maybe even a certainty, that the the world we have created will go up in flames
after all, we function on profit, and the planet cannot be profitable unless we set fire to it.
i have g/grandkids, and try as i might, i can see no future for them, at least not on the level i’ve enjoyed.
this is why i stay and kick against the attention seekers on OFW.
No children because I was to clever and I figured out they’d suffer and die young.
But I do look forward to the extermination of all humans. We are a disgusting vile species that paves over the planet and engages in mass torture of other species so that we can feed 8B.
We are not sustainable – the sooner we are gone the sooner the Earth returns to equilibrium.
Any other species with tool making capabilities would have done the same thing. They would have bred like bacteria in a dish of agar.
I would like to see humans leave the Earth as well. I prefer Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos plans for making that happen. Musk has the better rocket hardware. Bezos has a better long term plan.
Either way, I think the only plan for human industrial development that makes sense is the one where we leave the Earth behind. There just isn’t any long term future for industrial development on a finite planet. The only plan that makes sense for humanity at this point is the one that embraces the high frontier. It is time to spread our wings and colonise the solar system.
Unfortunately, humans need oxygen and food. Moving off of the earth is not really an option. Our energy needs would be far higher to maintain such an existence. We cannot maintain our current level of energy supply.
I don’t think energy will be a problem once we are in high Earth orbit or free space. Sunlight is available close to 100% of the time at a flux of 1350W/m2. And it can be concentrated using foil thin mirrors. Food and oxygen will be produced in pressurised greenhouses. The moon is a source of raw materials with low gravity.
It is getting there that is the challenging part. Musk has partially solved this problem. It is too early to tell if his Starship will be cheap enough to allow industrialisation and colonisation of near Earth space. I am content to wait and see.
We are very, very far away from the situation you would like, I am afraid. We need lots of fossil fuels to make pressurized greenhouses. The moon doesn’t grow food. It doesn’t provide the fresh water we need. Having sunlight around 100% of the time looks like more of a benefit than it really is. We need the whole ecosystem we are part of. Sunlight by itself doesn’t get us far enough.
space exploration needs a commercial ‘point’—ie profit.
if there was one, ‘business’ would have been there decades ago—there isn’t, so no ‘business ventures’ are there.
just nothing in it.
Space tourism. Obviously if we went to the moon in the cardboard and tin contraption so many times without crashing — by now we should have space cruise ships
But we don’t. Cuz the van allen belts remain an impossible obstacle.
if you say so eddy
Oh wow… full on DelusiSTAN here.
The thing is … lots of people actually believe this utter nonsense
be careful eddy
or you and i will be in agreement
that would never do
Peter – As soon as a human leaves earths atmosphere they start to die. They die in a dozen different ways many of which science doesn’t even understand.
Put down the comic books and get real.
not only do they begin to die—there’s nothing out there to offer a viable reason for leaving earth in the first place
There’s instant death as soon as they live Earth orbit – the extreme radiation of the VA Belts
Any other species? There are millions of them … which one is paving over the planet?
Which one experiments on other species so they can have shampoo that doesn’t irritate the eyes? Which one locks dogs in boxes and fills them with biting insects – but not before hacking out their vocal cords so they don’t have to listen to them howl in agony?
Which other one keeps thousands upon thousands of other species in cages — fills them with hormones… then slaughters them after their short horrific lives… to feed a population of 8B and counting?
Oh and the solution is – once the planet is completely destroyed is to find another one to destroy.
Hahha well that ain’t gonna happen. Cuz space travel is impossible – and there ain’t no other planet.
Get ready to die. It’s not far off. Good f789ing riddance humans hahaha…
The evil species. The Earth’s nightmare is nearly over
What I have described is what two of the richest men in the world are working on. It is a long shot admitedly. We will have to wait and see whether it is realised.
Yes, any other species with advanced tool making abilities, that humans evolved with, would probably have done something similar, had they discovered a rich and apparently plentiful source of energy. After all, humans are a species and probably all species consume an abundant easily obtainable fuel source to excess until something moderates that consumption such as depletion, a new predator, some more adept species, loss of access to the fuel in some way. Something along these lines will be the only thing that moderates our excesses. It won’t be finding another planet to live on.
It is time to spread our wings and colonise the solar system.
We will not be colonising the solar system. There are no planets where we would not die instantly without a space suit.
and if we didnt need a space suit
the locals would see to it that we died instantly, if they had any sense
Perhaps NASA has since this video dropped solved this problem?
Burn BAU tonight … or something like that
Hahaha… looking forward to it
Came across this in TM,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtPykIjP7h0&feature=emb_rel_end
I like it, it is affirmative to my point of view; now use a trainer 3x/week as I am weak willed. Put my mind somewhere else and hopefully the 45 minutes is over before I know it. Walking is good as well, aim for 3 miles/day.
We seem to be unhealthy in the US, seeking treatments/cures for everything with enormous costs.It does not work that well, we need a different solution but unfortunately some of those solutions lead to decreases in GDP and associated energy usage.
So if we exercise, decrease GDP and energy usage can we have our cake and eat it too?
Always an optimist.
Dennis L.
provided you have convenient access to it, the trick seems to be power-walking in water, 1 mile 3 times a week
it seems to be the ultimate in resistance training, no part of your body gets missed in the routine.
Gawd… if it ever came to this … I’d rather take Super Fent…
http://allyogapositions.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/water-aerobics-exercises-for-seniors_1.jpg
not QUITE the same thing eddy
but dont let that deter you
i only posted that comment because I knew more or less what your reaction would be.
I do enjoy that
How about getting your enjoyment from other things than trying to get a reaction from Eddie?
i ignore most eddyisms, and prefer dialogue between like minds on subjects of consequence.
many of those minds have now vanished, ask yourself why.
—conspiracy reigns supreme, on any number of subjects, which is a pity.
discussion responses didn’t used to involve pedophilia, for instance, perhaps if eddy refrained from that, (to me and others) there would not be a reaction. But of course he is just being ‘silly’. No he isn’t. It is obsession. But it is your decision to allow such silliness to go unchecked, and obsessions thus encouraged.
I judge the relative comment rate to be about 1: 100, me to eddy.
one can get a reaction from eddy with zero input, very little trying is involved.
norm tell us who your favourite bbc propagandist is
my comment stands eddy
just keep ranting, to reinforce it—suits me
How about asking the self proclaimed god, Fast Eddy, to get his enjoyment elsewhere, Gail?
its rather like the impossibility of tickling yourself–it can’t be done
in the same way, gods cant strike themselves with lightning
….. hahahahahaha… we’ll attribute this most ridiculous idea to your many Fizzer shots and the spiked brain mike…
We’re just happy that you can still operate the computer
Mike Roberts;
Ah your still alive! Joy.
“…there is no harm in getting vaccinated in order to fit in with the governmental views and be able to get around more easily than the unvaccinated.“
Mike Roberts
@ Mike Roberts <——Stunning and Brave.
mike the booster addict.
The video is Ph. D. John Campbell interviewing Dr. Aseem Malhotra, who is a medical expert in heart disease. He says that myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart. The illness, prior to COVID and the vaccines, affected 1 in 5,000 to 1 in 10,000. It seems to come on following a virus illness, either from the virus itself, or from an autoimmune response to the virus. Of those affected, 1/3 seem to die, 1/3 seems to develop a long-term chronic condition, and 1/3 get well after having the condition for a while.
The symptoms can be quite different. A person may present as getting tired more easily than previously, essentially because the heart isn’t pumping as strongly as before. It can present as breathlessness and chest pain. In fact, cardiac arrest can be the first symptom.
Myocarditis can be started by anything that insults the heart, including alcohol or other chemicals, in addition to viruses and autoimmune responses to those viruses. The COVID “vaccines” could, of course, be a cause, as well. Scar tissue is formed; the question is how much of this is reversible.
Sorry, I didn’t get to the end of video.
What Dr. Malhotra says is in contraddiction with a very big study which discovered that unvaccinated people didn’t develop after Covid any myocarditis or pericarditis.
On the contrary, it is now full in scientific literature about Studies which discovered the link between the vaccine and then (after Covid or not) cases of myocarditis or pericarditis.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/356241
Thanks! The article says that an Israeli study involving 800,000 people showed that unvaccinated people didn’t develop myocarditis or pericarditis after Covid. I noticed that the article didn’t give a link to the study itself. Sometimes they do. I find it helpful if they do.
I think the Study mentioned is probably this:
“We retrieved observational data from Clalit Health Services (CHS). CHS is the largest of four health maintenance organizations that offer mandatory health care coverage in Israel. CHS insures over 50% of the Israeli population (>4.4 million persons), and the CHS-insured population is approximately representative of the Israeli population at large ”
[…]
“In the current large population study of subjects, who were not vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2, we observed no increase in the incidence of myocarditis or pericarditis from day 10 after positive SARS-CoV-2.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9025013/
Thanks!
History Repeating Itself AGAIN…imagine that ….
https://www.heritagedaily.com/2022/10/researchers-uncover-an-early-byzantine-business-and-gastronomy-district-at-ancient-ephesos/145088?amp
The destruction layer is likely the result of conflict, with several arrowheads and spearheads also being excavated that the team links to the Byzantine–Sasanian War of AD 602–628, a series of wars fought between the Byzantine Empire and the Sasanian Empire of Iran that left both empires crippled.
Austrian Academy of Sciences
During recent excavations, archaeologists have discovered an early Byzantine business and gastronomy district on Domitian’s Square, a prominent public place directly adjacent to the political centre of the Roman city, the Upper Agora.
Byzantine shops and workshops were built over a large Roman square complex, with the team focusing excavations on a structure consisting of several business premises that covers an area of around 170 square metres. Archaeological evidence indicates that the area was suddenly destroyed in AD 614/615 (as indicated by coins found in situ) preserving the remains beneath a thick burnt layer.
Remember reading once about gleefully self congratulating himself on signing the non aggression pact with the Nannies …letting Adolf Hitter slug it out with Western Powers, while he watched as the destroyed themselves in the process …allowing him to scoop up the remains later…
Oh well, now we have Russia and Ukraine and NATO and rinse and repeat..
I’m shocked… 😲…sure….really surprised….
“The destruction layer is likely the result of conflict.”
The center of Ephesus, the city which was second only to Rome in the Roman empire, seems to have been suddenly destroyed by a conflict.
Long before the 602 AD war Ephesus had become an economically useless backwater after its harbour silted up due to deforestation.
All around the former empire one can find the ruins of cities a mile or two inland that were once busy ports.
True, but it was a tourist Christian Pilgrimage hotspot
Christianity in Ephesus
Ephesus played a vital role in the spread of Christianity. Starting in the first century A.D., notable Christians such as Saint Paul and Saint John visited and rebuked the cults of Artemis, winning many Christian converts in the process.
Mary, the mother of Jesus, is thought to have spent her last years in Ephesus with Saint John. Her house and John’s tomb can be visited there today.
Ephesus is mentioned multiple times in the New Testament, and the biblical book of Ephesians, written around 60 A.D., is thought to be a letter from Paul to Ephesian Christians, although some scholars question the source.
…..The city relied heavily on its iconic places of worship to attract visitors to support its struggling economy. Still, Ephesus was a port city with a deteriorating harbor and there was only so much that could be done to literally keep it afloat.
In the sixth and seventh centuries A.D., a massive earthquake and the harbor’s continuing decline left Ephesus a shell of the city it used to be, and Arab invasions forced most of the population of Ephesus to flee and start a new settlement. Ephesus continued to deteriorate, although it experienced a brief period of growth and construction under the rule of the Seljuk Turks in the fourteenth century.
Slow collapse…
More important city was Antioch….that too is now in riuns
What we have to understand about the Christian era is that it was greatly impoverished and depopulated compared to pre Christian times. So any Christian era tourism would only have been a shadow of what it had been before.
Christianity in my view was exactly what was needed at the time. It enabled people to cope with the collapse and managed to preserve valuable culture in monasteries.
The Church was a scaled down low budget version of the Empire.
See, Gail is correct again. Pointing out that Civilizations and Economies have a lifespan….thank you Gail….doubt most living today in BAU realize all our progress is only a fleeting period that will pass like the Ancient cities in ruins..
Good advice she gives about enjoy time today with relations and if possible share your wealth because our mo ey is not a good store of value
Nonetheless, they maintained relations with the Romans. Just like today, you may not like someone, but you’ll still trade with them and maintain diplomatic relationships. Some high officials might have been loyal to Rome too. These might explain the influx of Roman goods among the material culture of the various Barbaric groups.
“The events of the Marcomannic Wars, during or after which some members of the barbaric coalition tried to move to the lands of the European Barbaricum far from Roman political influence, perhaps, were the main reason for the appearance of the ‘Kariv group’,” Onyshchuk writes in his article. And this cemetery is a good example left for us by these people.
“Based on the current research results, it is still difficult to say how long the new population inhabited this territory. But it couldn’t have continued for long because at the beginning of the third century C.E., other Germanic tribes arrived and displaced or assimilated the population of the “Kariv group,” Onyshchuk writes. And that’s where their story ends.
Ancient Burial Ground of Elites in Ukraine Reveals Brief History of Europe
A strange burial in an ornate cauldron, burials with horses and more show multiple cultures in ancient western Ukraine in Roman times, and hint at why it was so
https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2022-10-27/ty-article-magazine/ancient-burial-ground-of-elites-in-ukraine-reveals-brief-history-of-europe/00000184-1869-d74a-a5ff-d8eb17740000?_amp=true
In the spring of 2017, local archaeologists in western Ukraine discovered an ancient “barbarian” cemetery near the Polish border. As research and excavation of the site named Kariv I progressed, they began to realize this was no ordinary cemetery for the hoi polloi. This was apparently the final resting place for elites, and moreover, these elites hailed from several tribes occupying the region in Roman times: Germanic, Baltic, and proto-Slavic.
The Suebi are by far the largest and the most warlike nation among the Germans. It is said that they have a hundred cantons, from each of which they draw one thousand armed men yearly for the purpose of war outside their borders” – Julius Caesar, Gallic War, Book IV.
Note that the “Germanic people” weren’t a monoculture. These were a number of tribes that occupied the territories of central Europe and Scandinavia from antiquity to the Middle Ages; different tribes inhabited different areas. The Suebi people were one of those tribes, living in north eastern Germany and the Czech Republic, and now it appears that at least one also arrived in Western Ukraine.
Yep, prepare for major flux of people’s after BAU ends …there won’t be any
Permaculture going on after the climb down from the energy ladder as Randy Udall used to refer it
JHK sheds light on the Pelosi “Cockamamie Story”
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/cockamamie-story/
Excerpt: “It’s been several days since San Francisco police interrupted a hammer fight between Paul Pelosi — husband of House Speaker Nancy — and his “friend… David,” in the Pelosis’ Pacific Heights home, and apparently the cops have not asked David DePape why he was there in the first place. Odd, a little bit. Is it possible that a whole chain of authorities from the SFPD clear up into the top of the US government and its Democratic Party sidekicks don’t want you to know what actually happened?
So far, police have not disclosed how DePape journeyed from Berkeley to Pacific Heights at 2:00 o’clock in the morning, about fourteen miles. Did he walk from Berkeley across the Bay Bridge and then halfway across town? Mr. DePape is apparently also known to the police as a gay hustler, that is, a person who sells sex for money. Unless I’m mistaken, the San Francisco Police Department (SFPD) has a detective department — experienced men and women who go around the city seeking clues, evidence, and testimony in order to make sense of perplexing crimes — and then solve them! Shall we assume they are on-the-job?”
It is strange how the morals of Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Paul Pelosi can be so low, relative to traditional norms, without people being up in arms about the situation.
I am afraid that Jim Kunstler is right about the latest situation.
If a person is wealthy enough, they seem to be able to get away with anything. People in high positions have always had mistresses. But somehow, drugs, excessive alcohol, gay prostitutes, showers with close relatives, and collecting large amounts of money from influence selling and related activities seems to be over the top. China has been trying to “root out corruption.” Maybe the US needs to head in that direction as well.
AOC said Mr Pelosi was attacked by a white supremacist. So theres that.
And you think you have it tuff?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RG9TMn1FJzc
The incredible ibex defies gravity and climbs a dam | Forces of Nature with Brian Cox – BBC
This is the most insane thing I’ve ever witnessed. I’ve seen Ibex on some crazy slopes in my life but I had no Idea they could casually scale an enormous vertical wall, balancing on a millimetre or two of uneven rock surface?! Absolutely absolutely insane! Also, how do they even find out that there’s salt up there? I have so many questions
They’re able to smell it from a long ways away. Many animals who don’t get salt in their daily diets are able to smell salt licks from far away distances. Otherwise they wouldn’t be able to survive:)
PS…also calcium deposits are available..
After BAU a simple item like salt will be a limiting essential in many regions.
The salt trade was an important item in ancient times…
We are so occupied with our own intelligence…IMHO, the goats are performing supercomputing like 3D analysis of every slight projection they can potentially balance on, The instant their hooves land on a rock, they “feel” the topography and their brains instantaneously re-analyze, ensuring their survival.
We do that, too, we’re just not aware of it. Most of us are focused less on physical feats than on intellectual and social ones (which in our context are equally important for survival). Sizing up the new boss; scanning the supermarket labels for sales. The body doesn’t support a large brain if those neurons aren’t being used for *some*thing.
After BAU a simple item like salt will be a limiting essential in many regions.
The salt trade was an important item in ancient times…
One of the first industrial uses for coal in Britain was in boiling sea water to make salt, in the 1300s AD. This industry was owned and run by monks.
There were many complaints about air pollution but since there was no longer any firewood available locally, coal caught on both for industrial and residential use.
We are simply going back to the natural order of things.
Only those who have a sizable property or other big assets will escape this. Those who don’t will revert to primitive existences.
The foolishness of allowing a modern lifestyle to 8 billion people will end with a vengeance – those who own properties will violently hunt down those consumers who don’t add anything to civilizations.
Rule of Law will only apply to those who can pay. No more ‘equal protection under the law’ – it is an outdated notion which can’t apply to a pop of 8 billion.
Children will be hunted down at will, and the prettier ones, male or female, will be kept for purposes I won’t go any further.
Back to the 19th centuries. Hopefully that will add a lot of years so techs needed for the future can be developed, although nobody is going to give back the resources the Third World consumed for 60 years, which will probably prove to be fatal for the future of civilization..
Yes, the natural order.
It is coming, to darken the heavens and to selectively target the morally corrupt and decadent. It will twist space time and distort the very fabric of what we think is real.
The powerful are in panic mode now, trying to hide this expanding wave of awareness in the collective.
Something is coming fast.
After it makes its dark transit, and the world has been devastated, the remaining tatters of elite forces with their machinery and their technology will join the mass migrations of the pure but unwashed toward the ancient lands of the Middle East. Racing back toward the Edins of antiquity. Hoping against hope that they might be spared the second arrival.
From 30 degrees off the ecliptic coming like a force of God. Out of the southern heavens it will come.
As the torn continent of North America rotates into the purplish haze of rising daylight something immense will enter the atmosphere. Something with life aboard.
The sixth seal will break…… humanity will never be the same.
Those notarized titles to the land are mighty weapons. The owner guy has just to show the title and all the miserables fall to the ground defenseless and incapable of moving. The pen, you see, will be mightier than the sword.
Now where did I put those?
the value of land is directly linked to what can be extracted from it
it you only have muscle, it is worth ‘x’ much
if you have powered machinery, it is worth xxxx much
Indeed. That is what happened in the post communist countries. Those armed with a dusty, old document returned and kicked out the residents who lived for more than 40 years with cold blood.
And a lot of people in USA, keeping the claims on Cuban land inherited from their grandfathers, want to do that once Cuba opens more doors .
“However, the most widely accepted explanation is that Miyake events are “solar superflares”. These hypothetical eruptions from the Sun would be perhaps 50–100 times more energetic than the biggest recorded in the modern era, the Carrington Event of 1859.
If an event like this occurred today, it would devastate power grids, telecommunications, and satellites...
..Most puzzling, a couple of the spikes seem to take longer than can be explained by the slow creep of new radiocarbon through the carbon cycle. This suggests that either the events can sometimes take longer than a year, which is not expected for a giant solar flare, or the growing seasons of the trees are not as even as previously thought.
For my money, the Sun is still the most likely culprit for Miyake events. However, our results suggest we’re seeing something more like a storm of solar flares rather than one huge superflare. [Hey, what if something drops earth’s magnetic shields sometimes?”
https://theconversation.com/radioactive-traces-in-tree-rings-reveal-earths-history-of-unexplained-radiation-storms-193080
Above article from:
https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/anybodydriving
Kulm – Obviously what you describe will happen, IS happening, but to believe that .001% of the population can maintain this dynamic for very long at all let alone until the 99.99% are either subservent or dead is delusional.
On the contrary.
Civilization is driven by very few. Most of the world’s pop is not really relevant.
.001% of today’s civ, or about 80,000, run everything.
Before the Great War, about 4% of the pope of the Advanced World, about 4% of 400m or 16 mill out of a word pop of about 1.6 billion, ran everything. The rest were simply cannon fodders or , almost 99.9% of the entire pop of the colonies, nothing more than cattle.
Civilisation is unsustainable and collapses everywhere it is tried. The longer the period of peace and prosperity the worse the ultimate collapse will be, because it means the resources of farmland and forests were used continuously.
It is not possible for a civilisation to voluntarily stop using resources because this would result in the imminent death of citizens.
the civilisation of all of us, is a function of all of us.
the luxuries enjoyed by the rich, (define that how you will) are the end product of everyone else
if 80k people were left to ‘run the world’, they would have nothing to run
sorry–life in the sense that we know it, doesn’t work that way
(Fox News)
it seems that Tucker Carlson is updated about Oil in general and Diesel problems in particular too…
‘TUCKER CARLSON: Thanks to Biden’s religious war in Ukraine, the US is about to run out of diesel fuel’
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-thanks-bidens-religious-war-in-ukraine-us-run-out-diesel-fuel
I think that Tucker Carlson got this wrong:
“According to data from the Energy Information Administration by the Monday of Thanksgiving week, (that’s 25 days from now), there will be no more diesel. What’s going to happen then? Well, everything will stop. That means trucks and trains and barges all unable to move.”
The supply of diesel is always being replenished, although likely at less than a 100% ratio. The thing that would cut off supply quickly would be inability to trade crude oil or diesel. This could happen through a financial crisis. Europe can voluntarily cut off part of its supply, but that will leave more for the rest of the world. I expect that the 25 day supply will gradually fall to lower number of days supply.
The fact that the US keeps depleting the Strategic Petroleum Reserve is part of what keeps the supply falling more quickly. I understand that heavy oil in the SPR is being utilized first. Once this depletes, the US’s ability to make diesel will substantially downgrade, adding to the falling supply problem. Thus, we can expect the problem to substantially worsen in the near future, but maybe not as dramatically as this article suggests.
Perhaps like Sri Lanka… always a few days until oil is gone but never gone…
It ‘taking everyone by surprise’ and coming to a head before election day may also be the play, even though, Gail, as you say, that’s not the correct math. When it comes to accelerationism, 2+2 equals 3; accordingly, the Oct. 14th original announcement, plus 25 days, equals the day before election day.
Would the US who currently controls how the world works stop the global economy over a fake pandemic with a survival rate of 99.99% …and that survival rate is when left untreated by known solutions? Even the US economy? Why?
WOuld they tank the global economy again for other various reasons?
At least I appreciate that he talked about the diesel issue and raised the problem.
People just think that if you have oil, you can have any fuel.
Actually I think that it is more Europe in deep troubles, as it is proposing a ban on Russian oil and, at the same time, it is more unbalanced towards diesel than U.S., because many cars are moved with that fuel in Europe.
Therefore it is a problem concerning not only tractors, combine harvester machines, trucks, ships and so on, but also about a huge number of private cars, see Germany, France, Italy etc.
My impression is that Europe is going to have a bigger problem about diesel than gas or maybe a big problem at the same level of difficullty.
Of course it is only my impression.
It’s being talked about a lot on different mediums.. liberal and conservative but they both get it wrong just from different angles
ABPO.
Anything but peak oil.
I always wonder what Europe was thinking when it encouraged people to buy automobiles powered with diesel. Certainly diesel is more efficient than gasoline or natural gas, but world supply is quite limited. We need to save diesel for where it is really needed.
Sorry to report a sad story, but sometimes one case let us better understand what in pratical things mean ‘adverse event’.
Pay attention, sad video and pictures about health of a person.
https://twitter.com/angelanashtn/status/1586812520521945088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://community.covidvaccineinjuries.com/nikki-holland-36-year-old-mother-with-severe-adverse-reactions-to-moderna-covid-vaccine/
Appalling. The ‘severe persistent asthma’ alone is enough to wreck one’s life, let alone the rest…..
A very good friend of mine had asthma right after 1st shot and she still has.
No problem before.
Her life deteriorated
Please do encourage her to try an anti-inflammatory diet, esp regular turmeric, the usual vitamins we talk about here, and NAC for any suffocating congestion.
Occasional doses of budesonide steroid if there are acute episodes are much better than the regular asthma inhalers taken all the time.
Doctors just try to drug asthmatics up, and it doesn’t address the basic problem.
Dietary changes take a few months to kick in, in my experience.
High pollution is a huge aggravating factor which doctors never think of, too.
Thank you, I will tell her.
It is anyway nothing that can hurt, so she can try.
This will not help if it is a matter of graphene oxide in the lungs. No vitamin can help. But far better than any of the things you suggest is fasting. a five day fast gives you a nearly brand new immune system.
I agree regarding the fasting: I’ve felt much healthier with even just intermittent.
Given the extreme toxicity of the vaxxes and their mystery ingredients it might indeed be hopeless, but one should try.
Is the calorie intake limit truly zero when proper fasting? I knew an activist once who consumed juice while fasting for justice and got chubby.
I know someone who eats between noon and 6pm… he swears by this intermittent fasting because he’s lost weight.
He has a very poor diet and eats a lot of sweets crisps etc… so if he eliminates breakfast and limits to the ingestion of garbage to within a 6 hour period — it is understandable that this would cause his weight to drop.
Is it healthy? No.
Fasting makes no sense to me — I tried it — it does not work if you have an active lifestyle… the machine needs nutrients .. starving it is not helpful.
If you don’t have an active lifestyle then any effort to reduce the amount of stuff you shove into the maw is a good thing so I can see that fasting would be beneficial to this sort of person. If hunger and the light headedness that accompanies it is interpreted as a religious experience … then even better.
Try auto asphyxiation … that will give you a religious experience as well … but be careful – you might Michael Hutchence yourself
Her asthma is probably only indirectly related to the vaxxx, which was the catalyst that triggered an existing ‘subclinical’ respiratory weakness. She should seek out a good functional medicine practitioner or research and tackle it herself. Asthma means severe hypoxia.
https://drhyman.com/blog/2013/09/17/breathe-easy-addressing-root-causes-asthma/
See what happens when you inject poison into your body.
And the ones who did not hit the Death Jackpot will look at that and respond with – I’ve had all my boosters and I am fine.
Unaware that they have VAIDS
Wow – this is a really solid number!
“Soaring Deaths of Young Americans”: In the first two and a half years of COVID, 150 thousand more American under 45s have died than expected
https://palexander.substack.com/p/soaring-deaths-of-young-americans
Any idea what caused this bloodbath? 50k died in the Nam war over more than 10 years… this is two and a half years — and keep in mind very few under 45’s died from covid hahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahaha (again)
I know someone who when you confront with this replies with – we are all boosted included the kids and we are fine — hahahahaha– how re tar ded is that???
Duncan said that it was an evolutionary bottleneck, eliminating Trumpster, low-intelligence, anti-science, morons, if I recall correctly.
Hate speech, in other words, although it’s not that if a liberal does it as we know……
Oh the irony!
The problem is young people feel C19 is no big deal so they don’t take it seriously. They’re not staying up to date with the booster schedule, masking, or staying home. We should’ve locked down harder and faster and this would’ve all be avoided. Two weeks to flatten the curve was sound science but now we’re almost 3 years into this and it keeps going thanks to you people who ‘did their own research’ dragging it for the rest of us responsible people.
Like China, for example. they are going to be the next superpower because they locked down harder than anyone else.
Allison McDowell talks about Goldman Sach’s “Lockdown Stringency Index.”
D. Stevens, I think you forgot the /sarc tag at the end of that comment. Some readers here are literalists and may inadvertently have taken your hilarious message seriously.
I saw a poll – I think it was for UK – and if I recall 40% of people wanted restrictions to return … who knows if the poll is real or not…
But there are still loads of people who are in a permanent state of fear — they will be fully boosted.
I know very few people who tell them they are not getting boosters… they still believe… and most people still think the vax injuries are rare.
My dying ex-neighbour who had heart damage after one jab (dismissed as hereditary condition)… and now a fatal neuro disease after another jab — even though it started the day after the shot she’s dismissed it as bad luck… all the other neighbours are dismissing it as jab related too and believe boosters are a good idea.
People are not waking up – and if they were to come out of their zombie state — some well-placed scare headlines would drive them back to the clinic for More Boosters.
Of course, quite a few of these deaths are the result of things related to the US response to COVID, rather than from COVID itself, or the vaccine itself. The fact that there is an upward bump in the rate of excess deaths of young people beginning about July 31, 2021, about the time when young people started getting the injections, suggest that the vaccines could be involved.
Regarding other causes, young people suddenly feel more alienated. They wonder about their role going forward. Suicide and drug overdoses rise.
‘I know someone who when you confront with this replies with – we are all boosted included the kids and we are fine — hahahahaha– how re tar ded is that???’
I knew someone that smoked 40 Benson & Hedges every day and lived to be 93. Same principle I guess.
Korea – I can see how if you had vax heart damage and got stuck in this you’d have a heart attack hahaha https://t.me/leaklive/10017 https://t.me/leaklive/10016 https://t.me/leaklive/10012
Crazy, it reminds me of the paintings of Hieronymus Bosch.
Funny how some choose to die bravely with their mask on. Obedient sheep until the last breath.
Here’s what can happen when you … trust the BBC hahaha
A healthy teenage girl, 16, has suffered painful stomach aches and muscle twitches for a YEAR – after a rare reaction to her second Covid jab sparked a devastating ‘neurological disorder’
Neurological Disorders are NOT RARE
They account for roughly 16-20% of all injuries caused by the covid shots
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11350691/Australian-teenager-reaction-Covid-Pfizer-vaccine.html
No sympathy for the girl. She should have known better. I worked with a guy in his 60’s who took the jab and 1 booster and now he has chronic tingling and dumbness in parts of his body that sets in. He claims it was the vaccine that did it and won’t take anymore shots.
More on that freak show with Pelosi and your favourite political party – seems the guy was a prostitute – drugs involved hahaha … losers for losers…
https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/53519
The media here in the US are full bore with the Pelosi’s and blaming it on conservatives and Trump’s supporters. The person they caught was at one time a crazed psycho liberal. They are a wretched power couple. The wife feeds her trader husband with insider trading and he makes millions off it. She gets away with it because she’s part of CONgress. The rest of us would be thrown in jail but Nancy and the rest of the bunch get away with it, “Rules for thee but not for me”.
The husband is known to be a dirtbag. But I have to laugh because his wife helped turn San Francisco and most of California into a certified sh*thole. So mega Karma to the Pelosi’s. It couldn’t happen to a better bunch.
House of Cards … recall how Spacey and his wife were into extremely kinky stuff including the ac dc action? The Pelosi family is even worse hahaha
It’s all just theatre anyway – none of them have any power
I totally agree with you everyone vaccinated would be in the hospital this is agenda 2030 in action by the elders which is growth by vaccine uptake according to my research it will be lasting until 2050 so by then the population will have been stabilised see the elders are attempting what they call “factor 20” growth thats why the mrna vaccines are being used their more cost effective than traditional vaccines they are eventually planning “factor 100” growth which will probably involve us all being chipped thats why 5G is coming out in a way it is good news it is alot better than mad max at least we may have a future if we back the elders
The Silent Killers
Chapter 5: The Immunization Fraud – Do Vaccines Work? – Rabies
https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/the-silent-killers-ad7
The author points out that there are treatments available, if you get bitten by a rabid animal. It also says:
But 6 deaths total reported is not a huge numbers least compared to the problems with the COVID vaccines.
I got this info from a very large hospital near where I live. If this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated, then why is EVERYONE in the ICU vaccinated?
It is the vaccinated that are populating the ICUs, not the unvaccinated. This is why they aren’t talking about it.
This is from a screenshot from one of a doctor’s phone:
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/this-is-a-pandemic-of-the-vaccinated
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F71c12921-ea98-4527-bf90-7f23c707635f_1080x582.jpeg
Lately there are really a serious number of “questions” raised if you have critical thinking.
1. South Korea – what kind of theater is it? SK newspaper as of 12 hours ago is still saying a stampede but it does not even look like one with no blood and bruises. I told my kids that if you happen to be in an area of a stampede (after it is over), don’t go there and help unless you have the nerves of steel. The mangled bodies and blood everywhere will stick with them for the rest of their lives.
2. Black See Fleet attack. If you read it, those drones seems very slow and low tech with a camera mount on top. The damage to the Russian fleet is very minimal. A critical mind would think “Are Russian defenses that lousy that a couple of low tech drones can just go in and destroy some not-so-important assets?
3. The sound for “preparing for blackouts” in Europe is really deafening now
Re drones, I agree.
Surely the watch on each ship would see these fellows coming, even with the naked eye, not to mention electronic surveillance!!
1. it is MSM dramma for the sheeeple. I saw a headline 150 dead in a stamppede, sounds about right for a crowd of 100,000. It disstracted me for about 10 seconds. I prefer being disstracted by football and OFW. You?
2. good assessment on the immpotent action coming from the USA/West side.
the Russians know they can’t fully defend a 1,000+ mile border. They take minor dammage and return the favor 10X.
first they halted the grain export deal out of the Black Sea.
second… well, give it a day or two for the 10X.
3. they might have some rolling blackouts, a miszerable winter ahead for many, but hardly anyone will freeeze or starvve.
talk of blackouts might actually be enough to cause the sheeeple to conserve gas ahead of winter.
too bad most EU industry might have to close for the winter, so that residential gas will stretch until springtime.
4. it’s a slow motion trainnwreck. It would be more enterttaining if the pace of action would speed up, but such is the reality.
if the plan A of the USA to deestabilize Russia and take its assets has failed, then the plan B to deestabilize Europe and push them down to third world status looks like it has a chance for success.
The South Korea stampede was described in one newspaper article as a large number of people trying to walk through a downward sloping narrow alley. One of two people would slip and fall down. Other people behind them would interpret what they saw as an opening and would surge forward, pushing other people down. The dynamics of the situation led to a lot of people falling down and getting bumped into by others, trying to go through the narrow passage.
Yeah Gail but where are the mangled bodies and blood?
You can’t expect much blood when bodies are simply crushed to death. Remember Heysel stadium disaster? No blood.
Not saying though that everything sounds legit in this SK event. We can’t really believe something is real just because there’s some footage of it and it was on TV.
Cattle…
Natrium / Terrapower are constructing a HALEU fuel fabrication facility.
https://www.terrapower.com/global-nuclear-fuel-and-terrapower-announce-natrium-fuel-facility/
The travelling wave reactor is an interesting technology. It is essentially a fast breeder reactor without the requirement for reprocessing. DU fuel is loaded at the edges and as it shuffles inward, it absorbs neutrons streaming out of the core, breeding the fissile plutonium fuel in place without the burden of having to reprocess blankets. An initial fissile core is added and all new fuel is DU added at the edges. Fuel is removed from the centre after at least 10% of actinide atoms have fissioned. The TWR allows a 30x improvement in uranium utilisation over a conventional light water reactor and avoids the requirement for fuel reprocessing.
Whilst the TWR is promissing, there are a lot of technical issues to overcome. To acheive sufficient breeding of plutonium, the reactor must generate a lot of excess neutrons and leakage of neutrons must be minimised. This becomes easier to achieve as reactors scale up, but may be more difficult for small modular reactors. It also requires a very compact core, with high fuel volume fraction and a hard neutron spectrum. The hard spectrum and high burnup make the development of cladding material challenging. Stainless steels have been used as fast reactor fuel cladding in the past. But under such a hard spectrum and high burnup, grain boundary precipitation and dislocation of alloying elements may cause cracking innthe cladding. The natrium reactor is sodium cooled. This complicates refuelling operations and requires an intermediate heat exchanger. These factors tend to push up costs. None of these problems are insurmountable. But even Bill Gates doesn’t have bottomless pockets or endless patience. I wonder how long it will take to produce a prototype?
As a final note: Terrapower are planning to start their reactors using HALEU fuel. This is uranium enriched to around 10%. Unfortunately, 235U produces fewer neutrons than 239Pu, even under a hard neutron spectrum. This will mean that the burnup requured for the starter core will be even higher. It may have been technically easier to have arranged for the British or French to produce a MOX starter core. The US cannot do this, because it never developed the reprocessing technology needed to extract reactor grade plutonium.
Its name was Kemmerer Wyoming.
I like the idea of getting lots more power out of a given amount of fuel, but I don’t like the idea of sodium cooling. If, heaven forfend, the primary coolant pipes were to spring a leak, it wouldn’t be easy to go into a room full of super-heated sodium and repair them, and in the meantime how is the core supposed to be kept cool?
I would prefer a passive, natural, sustainable cooling system so that when you switch the thing off, it just cools down on its own.
In most designs, the core sits in a pool of liquid sodium. This is sized to absorb many hours of decay heat. It also provides some shielding. The intermediate heat exchanger sits in the pool. So there isn’t much potential for primary coolant to leak. It is possible for leaks in the intermediate heat exchanger and pipework. Sodium is the prefered coolant because of its heat transfer properties. Lead and lead-bismuth have been used as well. But the high density of lead limits flow velocity and there are problems with its chemical compatability with steel.
There are obvious problems with using sodium. Its chemical reactivity requires that an intermediate heat exchanger is included. And argon cover gas is used to prevent oxygen getting into the system. Were this to occur, abrasive sodium oxide would scratch the fuel cladding. These features make sodium cooled reactors more expensive.
Traditional breeder reactor designs used mixed oxide fuels and breeder blankets. The designs were shelved because of the high cost of reprocessing and the exceptionally long doubling time (up to 40 years) to produce enough plutonium for a second reactor. To make matters worse, fast reactors require a much higher fissile fuel loading compared to light water reactors. This and the need to handle plutonium, made the fuel loads expensive.
These factors made the oxide fuelled sodium fast breeder of questionable value as a tool for rapidly increasing nuclear capacity. Modern designs, such as the metallic fuelled breed and burn, get around these limitations by breeding the fuel from DU and burning it without ever removing it from the core.
Thanks! That was very educational, Peter.
When buying a car on finance these days, some (all?) car companies have a “Power of Attorney’ clause in the signed contract.
So any problems with payment and whoopsie all your assets are now under the control of the finance company.
When businesses/jobs go south en masse, I wonder how many people will pay for their car with their house?
Good way for finance industry to gather some cheap real estate huh?
Thank you, that is a useful idea, never heard it before.
Dennis L.
If that’s true and it’s fine print type stuff then that is just another ugly prop of the neoliberal stagecraft that will serve as ammunition for the National Socialist set change. Whether the first to suffer from it get their homes back is another question.
It has been many years since I financed anything so I am unsure whether this is a recent development.
Monopoly in reverse; thanks for the house, but you get to keep your car.
Have nothing.
Be happy.
Go and sleep in that car? Generous, really. They are all heart.
There was a nice vette parked in one of the Oakland “homeless” shanty towns video I posted. I often noted trailer park residents often have very nice vehicles. A vehicle is a piece of the pie that most have been able to swing and take pride in. Enterprising workers go where wages are high. They live where they can and take the proceeds back to their real world. All labor is a trade of time for survival and material.
you’re discounting labors of love. true work. true work doesn’t steal your time on this planet. it enriches it.
UK Medicine Regulator confirms COVID-19 is Man-made & the Vaccines were created using Computer Generated DNA
https://expose-news.com/2022/10/30/mhra-confirms-covid-19-is-man-made/
Montagnier said this was man made early on … he had zero doubt about that
John Ioannidis: 90% of Medical Research Is Wrong; even the Cochrane Collaboration, set up to fix the fraud, turns out to be flawed and corrupted too; ‘Why Most Clinical Research Is Not Useful’
Of 49 articles, 45 claimed to have uncovered effective interventions. 34 of these claims had been retested, and 14 of these (41 %), had been convincingly shown to be wrong or significantly exaggerated
https://palexander.substack.com/p/john-ioannidis-90-of-medical-research
Medicine has to be the most disgusting industry on the planet… doctors are who-res to $$$ who strut about like proud peacocks….
If I ran the show the only medicine on offer would be that which involved healing an injury. Just about everything else including cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc… f789 it… you die.
Of course if you live a healthy lifestyle you are unlikely to get these diseases and you’ll live a long life.
Who the f789 do we think we are – gods? Everyone dies… most of the treatments are useless anyway…
Oh and we need to get back to fat shaming … I remember when there were almost no fat kids… fat shaming + taxing garbage food (20 bucks for bag of crisps? yep that’ll fix what’s broken) and celebrating good health from an early age — that would solve the problem of the sloths that slither through the super markets with giant trolleys full of rubbish…
And we ban XXXXX sized clothing altogether — you either control yourself or you go naked.
Radical change is required to fix this bloated diseased medical system.
Twenty years ago it would have been unthinkable to see commercials with fat models. If today the ads celebrate fatness, under the laughable guise of “inclusivity”, it’s simply because fatness push disease, which in turn generates fabulous profits.
Allopathic medicine is the scam of the century, and so-called medical research is nothing more than a racket run by bigpharmafia.
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/07/05/time-to-assume-that-health-research-is-fraudulent-until-proved-otherwise/
https://drjasonfung.medium.com/the-corruption-of-evidence-based-medicine-killing-for-profit-41f2812b8704
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26934549/
Was it not George Dubya Bush who talked about “the hydrogen economy”? With all the trillions we have thrown at renewables, this would surely be a thing by now if it was feasible.
It is (sort of) feasible. But wind and solar power are poor inputs to electrolysis, because they have poor capacity factor. The high capital cost of the electrolysis stack makes it sensible to operate it 24/7. The low energy density of hydrogen means poor power to weight ratio as an engine fuel. Storing it is also very difficult. So in many ways it makes more sense to use the hydrogen to produce some other synthetic fuel. Ammonia, methanol or biomass / fossil fuel upgrading. Hydrogen is already used for cracking in refineries.
There is a video with the legendary motor developer Fritz Indra about the topic that I highly recommend. Unfortunately German only. Perhaps you have automatic subtitle translation?
Indra says either you need large cars with huge tanks or you loose 50% of the energy with compression at the fuel stations. The problem is, the hydrogen needs to be cooled down for compression, fuel stations need large amounts of electricity for this. Not feasable for individual teansport at least.
The electricity-to-gas technology is energetically very inefficient.
My 50 cents: I am open to all wonderful ideas about free energy, the Repulsine and solar harvesting on the moon. There is a little “but”. Great inventions are not made by uneducated, unskilled stupids with nothing than mud and sticks and a bunch of hungry children crying in the back, but by relaxed, skilled and disciplinated people with mental freedom and the financial independence to take risks. Not during witch-huntings. And: if a wonderful invention is made, please allow ten years for deployment. We are already in a gas shortage. So all that had not been invented yet is of no help in the next ten years.
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Indra
https://youtu.be/PkbjkXTBsyw
Hello Gail
I have a question for you. I am writing some articles for Dutch and French media about the problem of ‘ disinvestment in oil/gas and nuclear energy’ over the past decades.
The discussion about this in the EU (France and the Netherlands) is rather dominated by let’s say the ‘green fools’ who get all the blame with their renewables.
You yourself regularly refer to another topic namely that of the discussion whether the relative availability of fossil fuels is not determined by what you regularly drop a price of $110 per barrel. It is a complex subject I am sure you as an actuary would agree.
I myself know enough about the situation in France, the history the depletion in France and Niger, the cost and availability of extractable uranium worldwide and the cost and construction of the new EPR plants to question the feasibility of it. The French situation is extremely interesting within the frameworks you outline.
What matters to me is whether you can provide me with sources and info linking the ‘ feasibility’ of fossil investments insightfully to the price that ‘ you and I’ can pay. It is your central theme so I assume for convenience that your fellow insights are based on signals from the ‘fossil universe’.
In the link one of my articles I wrote on the cost of energy based on the situation in France. I hope you can help me further regarding investments in fossil extraction. I am well aware of your own views.
Kind regards
https://www.climategate.nl/2022/10/betaalbaarheid-van-energie-de-kwadratuur-van-de-cirkel-in-het-fossiele-tijdperk/
Murphy & Hall [3] examined the relation between EROI, oil price and economic growth over the past 40 years and found that economic growth occurred during periods that combined low oil prices with an increasing oil supply. They also found that high oil prices led to an increase in energy expenditures as a share of GDP, which has led historically to recessions. Lastly, they found that oil prices and EROI are inversely related (figure 2), which implies that increasing the oil supply by exploiting unconventional and hence lower EROI sources of oil would require high oil prices. This created what Murphy & Hall called the ‘economic growth paradox: increasing the oil supply to support economic growth will require high oil prices that will undermine that economic growth’.
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsta.2013.0126
(News.Com.au)
“Covid vaccine injury payouts explode to $77 million, budget reveals.
Payouts for Covid vaccine injuries are set to explode by more than 80 times to nearly $77 million, budget papers reveal.
The figure was quietly buried in the Services Australia portfolio budget statement, in a table detailing third-party payments from the agency “on behalf of other entities”.
Services Australia administers the scheme for the Health Department.
The table reveals that in 2021-22, the Covid vaccine claims scheme paid out just $937,000 — which would work out to about 47 people if they each received the maximum tier-one amount of $20,000.
But in 2022-23, that amount is estimated to blow out to $76.9 million, equating to 3845 tier-one claims.”
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/federal-budget/covid-vaccine-injury-payouts-explode-to-77-million-budget-reveals/news-story/df39fcf430c6cadb487a9914df7a3422
Also posted here in Italy:
https://www.databaseitalia.it/australia-i-documenti-di-bilancio-rivelano-77-milioni-di-dollari-di-risarcimenti-per-reazioni-avverse-ai-vaccini-covid/
We will never know the real impact of all of the vaccine injuries.
One thing you got to admit. Deceiving the entire population under your control to participate in experimentation takes huevos. Ambitious they are.
Malone mentioned Bobbys next book will be about the Ukraine and eastern Europe biolab research. That will be interesting. If we are not a flat plane of glass.
The idea of hydraulic hybrid vehicle has been around for a very long time. But nothing ever seems to get developed commercially.
Back in 2013, Peugeot were developing a petrol hydraulic hybrid.
https://www.livescience.com/26508-peugeot-hybrid-compressed-air.html
By capturing braking energy in a hydraulic cylinder, this little 800kg car could have driven 100km on 2L of fuel. That works out at 117mpg. Far better than an electric hybrid and much cheaper in production.
Peugeot were looking for industrial partners to team with in developing the hydraulic drive technology. Very few people were interested. The political and environmental lobby saw it as an extension of ICE technology. Why blow money on a new hybrid fossil fuel technology, when fully electric zero emission vehicles are just around the corner? So the opportunity was missed. Many countries are now promissing to ban ICE vehicle sales by 2030. This has locked car companies into developing unsustainable BEV technologies, with precarious supply chains, poor affordability and which are entirely dependant on the functioning of the electric grid.
What a shame the hydraulic hybrid technology was not developed. This sort of technology can be applied to trucks as well. In both cases, it would have reduced the impact of faultering global oil supplies. If a car can achieve 117mpg, then higher oil prices become more sustainable. Synthetic fuels become more affordable.
Back in Oil Drum days, there was at least one post relating to the fact that battery capacity is limited. To make the best use of what battery capacity is available, it makes a whole lot of sense to use of hybrid electric vehicles, rather than EVs. Hydrauilic hybrids may be even more helpful.
With a battery electric hybrid, about one half of braking energy is recovered. But using a hydraulic cylinder, that increases to about three quarters. Carbon or glass fibres would be needed to produce lightweight hydraulic accumulators. But these materials are more sustainable than Li-ion batteries.
Problem is, braking losses are small for many. If you live in the country, not worthy.
Personally I cant afford one of the EVs tires let alone the whole thing. The outcome is evident. Right now we have people who die all over the world that much less expensive and complicated technology than EVs could save. Right now people die in most of the world that are saved in the same circumstance in the west. The technology may well be created but only a tiny minority will access it. The only difference is that now non accessibility becomes the norm for the west just like the rest of the world. How will the rural work force get to work to grow the food? Paying them enough to own a EV is not feasible. The workers live in dormitories only seeing their family occasionally and the family lives where there is food available without transport? Thats the current reality for migrant workers. We are seeing the end of a lifestyle we have taken for granted. Or like teapot dome or other places where humans are needed to extract resources mini housing developments are created? I dont say this to be callous or alarmistic. Hypertechnology to solve energy depletion will not be available to the common man. Hypertechnological arguments are a deception. They act as if everyone will access the technology. The reality is only a minority will access the technology the rest will die. Thats reality for most of the world right now. That is the truth of the solution hypertechnology offers.
You’re not accounting for Jevons Paradox. Efficiency gains are nothing more than the slowing of losses. The slowing of losses enables the difference (in loss) to be redistributed elsewhere, whereupon the difference is redeployed, canceling-out the gain that was made in the place.
The Old Testament Capitalist system is not designed for efficiency of purpose, it’s designed for efficiency of extraction which is structurally enforced by compound debt which Einstein called the eighth wonder of the world (to the usurer). The most efficient way to maximum extraction is, naturally, a straight line. Jevons Paradox is a positive feedback loop of OT Capitalism but the straightline preference only has it manifest as necessary. So the Peugeot technology does not get off the ground, in the name of mainlining the fossil fuel racket.
They are accelerationists, both on the way up and on the way down. All or nothing types. I’m an all or nothing guy myself. It’s the only way to live imo.
The major bene from hydraulic as well as pneumatic is the regen potential in braking. Bringing a vehicle from speed to full stop using pure regen is huge energy recovery. I talked about and fleshed out a design using electric, combustion, and pneumatic hybrid system that has the least possible losses and most distance potential. add in a capacitor array inline with the charging cycle for rapid charging and you have a reasonable propulsion system.
Mississippi River Crisis – Wall Street Journal report.
Super detail and graphics compared to many videos.
Main problem: no rain in the upper Ohio river valley area.
Grains and beans going south is the top focus here.
Chemicals processed in Louisiana going north to Pittsburg get a mention.
Last few weeks have seen 20 blockages spanning a few states.
Graphic of dredging operations; backups of 1000’s of barges a day.
(saw a different video said dredging has been accelerating for 3-months)
Shipping cost per ton of grain is up 380%
Huge hills of soybeans just sitting on the ground as of 8 days ago.
Some farmers even reluctant to harvest.
Expensive getting a barge off a sandbar – great shot of that from the air.
The railroad system is not a very viable alternative for most.
US Coast Guard restrictions placed on how deep barges can sit in the water.
And the number of barges a tow can pull (linkages break when hitting sandbars)
Hope is that rain will fall in the upper Ohio area in December
This is one of the things we never think about going wrong.
Dryer than average weather for quite a while directly affect crops, and it also affects the transportation of those crops. A doubly bad effect.
Seem to recall some Biblical advice about saving one year’s harvest of plenty for the year of less. Nothing new, modern finance skimming everything possible off the cash flow and ignoring the balance sheet – a real balance sheet of stuff to put in one’s stomach.
Dennis L.
So you have isolated preppers trying to ensure some kind of food and fuel supplies for themselves, when what we need is a national food and fuel security system.
Why isn’t the soybean and corn harvest being transported to safe, dry storage facilities? Why is the fuel reserve being sold to China?
Per Tucker Carlson, D-Day is the Monday after Thanksgiving. That is when the supply of diesel fuel in the USA runs out. Why not turn the soybeen and corn into biodiesel?
25 day supply of diesel, so it would only run out if no USA refineries produced any more in the next 25 days.
there is a daily deficit of diesel production, where it is not keeping up with demand, so the supply has gradually declined to where we are now.
the next monthly EIA? or IEA? report will give us the updated supply.
could still be 25 days, could be 24 or lower, we’ll see.
It’s only natural….right?
This is the result of sun cycles and neither of Putin’s evil nor CO2-release during peakoil.
When the planets revolve around the sun they accumulate sometimes more and less mass on one side of the sun. This makes the sun wiggle and it also affects the mass triggered fusion process within the sun. This leads to higher and lower acticity which can be observated counting sun spots.
There is a high correlation of sun spots and weather. It is explained as such: With low sun activity the solar wind lessens which means more cosmic particles reach the atmosphere where they act as nuclei for condensation.
Sounds reasonable and other possibilities are there?
Jan – you might enjoy this read by Chan Thomas regarding Earth’s magnetic field and MHD effects during field-reversals that allow the crust to slide when the molten layer underneath goes from sticky-plastic to liquid.
https://www.docdroid.net/zeFqyVh/chan-thomas-the-adam-and-eve-storyuncensored-pdf#page=64
OBAMA Schlonged!: he went to stem the bleeding & in 100% DEMOCRAT audience, 100%, he lost control as they starting chanting “PHU*K Joe Biden” & Obama could not get them to stop, this is unreal
Now why would a democrat crowd chant ‘fu*k Joe Biden’? I personally thought this was not nice of them
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/119/112/040/playable/8f2ad6136f05c059.mp4
Hey norm…. Let’s go brandon hahaha
Joe will win the “100% fair and free” (s)election!
The funny thing is I expect him to win the election again and I hope and pray he does. There’s nothing better to see a colapsing Empire run by psychos being led by a Clown like Joe Bidet. In his next term, maybe they can have him wear a babies bib around his neck to catch the drool. 🤪
Amerika deserves what it gets.
May you finish out your life in a country/nation which meets all your deepest expectations; anyplace but the US, we are not nearly sufficiently perfect for you.
But, we will be fine, it is written in the fabric of the universe.
Dennis L.
What universe? You mean, the universe you created?
I am hoping that DeSantis is the next US president. Biden is a dementia patient. Trump is too old.
Boy, that was a necklacing crowd behind him, aka giving somebody a ‘Kentucky’; especially that bleached blond. Where’s Winnie the Pooh speaking out against Section 8 Apartheid these days?
https://allthatsinteresting.com/necklacing
“Y’all up there – py attention” lol.
And the supposed root of antebellum ‘racism’ comes from the same place. The lives of dirt poor southern whites and southern slaves were deeply integrated. At the wealthier, better-run slave plantations — after the chains and shackles had been removed off of the done-broken first and second generations — the slave’s material standard of living was considerably higher. There is no shortage of former slave narratives recounting how well they are: they raised livestock, had their own gardens, free hunting rights in Sundays. It was the awesome power of feudalism. And the poor whites lived amongst it, disadvantaged in many ways. The average slave was worth $75K in today’s money. A breeding female a quarter million easy. There were major consequences to getting in a fair fight with a man who was worth much more than you to another (white) man who was worth infinitely more than you and wielded his structural supremacy. All supposed ‘racism’ comes from dirt-poor white culture (scots-irish, whatever) understandably being furious with a black person knowingly wielding his protected, structural power over him, subtly or unsubtly. Because that is the lowest, cheatingest thing one man can do to another. Just as with the house slave lording himself over the field slave, like you’re talking about with necklacing, hillcountry. It’s universal. Fairness is the root concern of the human being, and in healthy ecologies it it the primary motivating power of human societies (animism is just a culturally sanctioned, universal doctrine of fairness), but in chronically compacted, diseased ecologies the structural fairness cannot hold.
My friends are rednecks. That’s who I hang out with because I have way more in common with them than anybody else. None of them are racist. We’ve gone and slaughtered and dressed-out a local black man’s hogs, who was too good to do it himself I guess, and nobody said a bad word about but we all was thinking it. And we did it for half the meat. But when I hear the guys talking about a black officer in their military days lording it over them, you can see that their blood really boils, because black people of all people should know how foul it is to sadistically wield the power of the State over another person who refuses to do that themselves.
Divide and conquer. And within the great river of resentments that lies great depths, churnings, roiling resentments, fast eddies, logjams.
Thanks for the insights, reante. Similar experiences too! I have found that James LaFond does the history better than most.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=james+lafond&crid=2H5OJ6HJSC7KY&sprefix=james+lafond%2Caps%2C115&ref=nb_sb_noss_1
Right on, thanks for that lead, hillcountry. LaFond’s books look awesome.
Humans make up reasons to do what they want. They accuse others of entitlement and the root motive is their own entitlement. No one lets the facts get in the way of their particular entitlement. Not me not you not them.
That’s only true in compacted ecologies, in ecologies that exceed optimal carrying capacities. To say that the human is inherently fallen is to buy into the Judeo-Christian eschatological cultural programming. We have a cultural problem, not an inherent problem. History makes that very clear. Even if civilizations are inevitable that doesn’t just cancel-out the fact that humans are also perfectly capable of subsistence living. Civilization wouldn’t be possible in the first place without long-term subsistence culture.
Strange!
More theatre?
How did all those Trumpers get past the security?
Nice find Eddy. There’s cloudseeding and then there’s crowdseeding. Make it rain, baby.
Obamas legacy
black Bush #3
Shut down occupy wall street
NDAA
Libyan war
Benghazi
Syrian War
The beginning of the Ukraine and WW3 with Nuland Inc
No hope
No change
Deceiver
Warmonger hall of fame
Biden is just the finisher
I voted for Obama. The first time. Cried I was so happy. Thought it was over.
NDAA changed my mind. Second term is the warmongers prime time.
At least Bush Cheney didnt lie- they wernt closet warmongers.
People can chant f Joe biden all they want. Biden can have USA troops go into Ukraine and congress doesnt get a say on it for six months. Joe can order any use of new technology weapons his handlers choose.
Nordstream. Blatant sabotage of critical energy structure.
Which oil tankers are cruise missile proof? The ones in the strait of Hormez?
The ones in the black sea? Air defense on every oil tanker?
Nordstream means there is teeth to the sanctions. Russian oil moves at risk so it doesnt move. Russias allies China and India are cut off. Russian oil stops moving. But the wests oil tankers move about as they please tralalala?
Risk for you but not for me? Oil for me but not for you? Cause things go boom? Thats where we are. No matter what happens in Ukraine there is a chokehold on Russia. Million mile overland pipelines to China are not exactly small targets either. Every boom is just “sanction” enforcement. We are at war. When the first tanker has a mysterious accident then what?
Thanks Obama. You could have been the one. Just another warmonger in brown wrapping paper. To be fair he was just a puppet just like the rest. Been that way a long time. Expecting that he was different because he is a black man was delusional. Believing that he represented the common people because he was a minority was delusional. At least we were entertained with his charisma. Thats as good as it gets. The democratic party really couldnt find a minority candidate more qualified than Biden??? Biden was selected because he spearheaded the Ukraine assimilation with Nuland Inc. He was selected as a faithful puppet. He was selected as a creature of war and back to business after Trump was removed. He is perfect for the rampant quid pro quo of the Ukrainan elites. Joe eats breathes and sleeps quid pro quo. But this was supposed to be Hillarys moment. Trump cost them four years. He will never be forgiven for that. Russia brought a shitload of new delivery capability from prototypes to in service in that four years. They bring more on line every day. Trumps ego brought him in conflict with MIC. He didnt get the puppet memo. His ego is too big. He will pay. He tried to atone with operation warp speed the biological weapon problem solution war prep as biological warfare is inevitable but puppets cant have big egos. And that slavic wife… Just not puppet material. He got in the way and didnt even know it.
So chant f Joe Biden. He is not the one who is f*****. We are. Its done. Its happening. No chant and no vote will stop it. Eightball is headed to the corner pocket chant all you want. This eightball in the pocket got shot decades ago. The USA people have always been anti war. Sure 911 got us steamed until we figured it out. Obama was a vote against endless war. Trump was a vote against endless war. Hillary lost because of her complete training/involvement in the Libyan and Syrian wars. Coup and mega group leaders installed. Same as ever. The shenanigans now make Ollie North look like Dorthy in wizard of OZ. Its the number one issue for the USA voter. Thats why MSM makes up all these other imaginary issues. Ukraine voted against war too. Poroshenko said he would end the war. Zelensky said he would end the war. They ran on ending the war, peace with Russia. But guess what?
WE___ DONT___DECIDE
I would like to thank Obama for opening my eyes to the fact that there is a higher power – the Elders. He revealed without a doubt that POTUS is a puppet … he refused t prosecute the Bush flunkies for war crimes … he did nothing to end lobbying… he pushed for more intensive data collection on everyone… he started more wars than Bush and last but not least as soon as he left office he gave a series of speeches on Wall St banking 500k a pop.
He’s a smooth operator Mr Obama … very smooth … but at the end of the day he’s a bottom feeding pc of shit. Like every politician the world over
before i shuffle off this mortal coil
my recently acquired ambition is to be made aware that there is someone, somewhere on planet Earth who actually measures up to eddys high standards
(apart from eddy that is, though sometimes i get the impression that even that is up for debate)
Obama is an antisocial character. He had very few face to face meetings whilst he occupied the presidential office. And compared to GW he got very little done. But he was a black guy, or at least, half black. To a lot of people that seems to be more important than anything he actually achieved.
U. S politics are so dumb…. I don’t even vote any more it doesn’t matter…except for fat baby boomers
I checked on foxnews. It seems he was interrupted indeed, but not with chorus, it was one person who argued with him and he get angry.
Voices and sounds about Biden have been added in post production way.
I think that people who added chorus about Bided did it on purpose to create a false news and then give journalist the opportunity to say that there is a big problem about fake news.
We have to pay attention to tricks like that.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-comments-pelosi-attack-says-dangerous-climate-created-when-people-begin-demonizing-others
I’m assuming that what you say is true, Student. Good catch, thanks.
Dumb is the whole point.
I’d vote for Bidet… in fact I’d vote for Hunter… all I want is to be entertained…
I think Hunter would make an amazing president … way more f789ed up than the guy in Idiocracy
Hunter for King of America!
I also support more tranny teachers… strip shows for children … why not just legalize pedo behaviour … continue teaching 6 yr olds how to pleasure themselves… prioritize social media in schools… encourage kids to go out back the Dumpster at the school during recess for orgeees. Anything goes with Hunter in charge!
(RSI.ch)
“Credit Suisse, 540 jobs will disappeared by year-end.
CEO Ulrich Körner:
We will cut 2,700 posts worldwide, 20% of which will be in Switzerland.
Saudi National Bank first shareholder.”
https://www.rsi.ch/news/svizzera/Credit-Suisse-via-540-posti-entro-fine-anno-15747880.html
PRO GOLFER PARALYSED WITH RARE BLOOD CLOT…
Spontaneous spinal epidural hematomas (SSEHs) are extraordinarily rare, it is estimated that there are only 0.1 cases every year to every 100,000th person. Vega’s rare blood clot can be life-threatening if left untreated and has a mortality rate of %15. Epidural hematoma is defined as an “accumulation of blood” in the potential space between the dura and bone[3]. Vega’s rare blood clot was diagnosed as, Spinal epidural hematoma.[3] It typically occurs after the body experiences some sort of physical trauma. The other causes are risk factors such as a condition called coagulopathy. Or taking certain medications or blood thinners.
https://thepremierdaily.com/pro-golfer-rare-blood-clot/?6LbX=Y93EbP
FBI Now Wants 66 Years Before Releasing Information on Seth Rich – Information They Originally DENIED They Had!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/huge-fbi-now-wants-66-years-releasing-information-seth-rich-information-originally-denied/
As we known Clinton had him murdered
Hmm, rather like the 75 years the FDA wanted to release the Pfizer trial reports…..
We can’t rush the process…can we now?
Everything re the following (not an inclusive list) that we read in the MSM is a lie:
– Ukraine War (Zelensky is a beacon of democracy!)
– moon landings
– 911
– WMD
– Covid and Covid Vaccines
– Geebil Worming
– EVs and renewable energy
How can we not assume everything we read in the MSM – is a lie? Keep in mind credibility is everything in reporting … if you get it wrong too often nobody trusts you … if you purposely lie… surely that should destroy your crediblity.
norm – no need to respond to this
People crave knowledge in all the wrong places. media today is more like junk food. Humans consume narratives thinking they’re being informed rather than being conditioned and we sometimes allow ourselves to indulge our fixed preconceptions to avoid ‘other pains’ we should be facing.
We like being distracted and ‘Entertained’
All the while time passes and opportunities are lost.
FE takeaways smell quite tasty, some find them hard to swallow. I admit I like his funny expression.
You forgot we are on a spinning ball traveling over a million miles per hour in 4 different directions through an infinite vacuum of space. NOT.
You’re right, the planet has a singular though ever-changing bearing/heading at all times and the universe is not infinite because infinity doesn’t exist it’s just a paradoxical mental construct; the world would be a better place had the word never been invented, but then again this blog wouldn’t exist to make this worse world a better place.
Another myth: all scientific models are right.
Endless education will guarantee a high-paying job.
All debt can be repaid with interest.
Money is a store of value.
The total is up to 150 dead of cardiac arrest. I am astounded, bewildered and baffled. People die of ASPHIXIATION and BEING CRUSHED in stampedes. Not CARDIAC ARREST. This doesn’t even look like it could have been a “stampede.”
What the hell?
It looks like mass Catecholamine Surge. But, what? What could have set it off in this many? Simultaenously?
A mystery we can work on together. I have never seen or read about anything like this. Echoes of something similar in the US Southwest last year (I think?) come to mind.
THIS. This is what a stamepe that killed 2000 individuals looks like.
https://wmcresearch.substack.com/p/absolute-bafflement-great-concern
Reminds me of head smashed in buffalo cliff… Fauci drove them off the cliff hahahaha
Maybe fentanyl laced kool aid?
That looks like an interesting substack. I’ve signed up for it.
Talk about the night of the dead!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63443044