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Many people believe that installing more wind turbines and solar panels and manufacturing more electric vehicles can solve our energy problem, but I don’t agree with them. These devices, plus the batteries, charging stations, transmission lines and many other structures necessary to make them work represent a high level of complexity.
A relatively low level of complexity, such as the complexity embodied in a new hydroelectric dam, can sometimes be used to solve energy problems, but we cannot expect ever-higher levels of complexity to always be achievable.
According to the anthropologist Joseph Tainter, in his well-known book, The Collapse of Complex Societies, there are diminishing returns to added complexity. In other words, the most beneficial innovations tend to be found first. Later innovations tend to be less helpful. Eventually the energy cost of added complexity becomes too high, relative to the benefit provided.
In this post, I will discuss complexity further. I will also present evidence that the world economy may already have hit complexity limits. Furthermore, the popular measure, “Energy Return on Energy Investment” (EROEI) pertains to direct use of energy, rather than energy embodied in added complexity. As a result, EROEI indications tend to suggest that innovations such as wind turbines, solar panels and EVs are more helpful than they really are. Other measures similar to EROEI make a similar mistake.
[1] In this video with Nate Hagens, Joseph Tainter explains how energy and complexity tend to grow simultaneously, in what Tainter calls the Energy-Complexity Spiral.
According to Tainter, energy and complexity build on each other. At first, growing complexity can be helpful to a growing economy by encouraging the uptake of available energy products. Unfortunately, this growing complexity reaches diminishing returns because the easiest, most beneficial solutions are found first. When the benefit of added complexity becomes too small relative to the additional energy required, the overall economy tends to collapse–something he says is equivalent to “rapidly losing complexity.”
Growing complexity can make goods and services less expensive in several ways:
- Economies of scale arise due to larger businesses.
- Globalization allows use of alternative raw materials, cheaper labor and energy products.
- Higher education and more specialization allow more innovation.
- Improved technology allows goods to be less expensive to manufacture.
- Improved technology may allow fuel savings for vehicles, allowing ongoing fuel savings.
Strangely enough, in practice, growing complexity tends to lead to more fuel use, rather than less. This is known as Jevons’ Paradox. If products are less expensive, more people can afford to buy and operate them, so that total energy consumption tends to be greater.
[2] In the above linked video, one way Professor Tainter describes complexity is that it is something that adds structure and organization to a system.
The reason I consider electricity from wind turbines and solar panels to be much more complex than, say, electricity from hydroelectric plants, or from fossil fuel plants, is because the output from the devices is further from what is needed to fill the demands of the electricity system we currently have operating. Wind and solar generation need complexity to fix their intermittency problems.
With hydroelectric generation, water is easily captured behind a dam. Often, some of the water can be stored for later use when demand is high. The water captured behind the dam can be run through a turbine, so that the electrical output matches the pattern of alternating current used in the local area. The electricity from a hydroelectric dam can be quickly added to other available electricity generation to match the pattern of electricity consumption users would prefer.
On the other hand, the output of wind turbines and solar panels requires a great deal more assistance (“complexity”) to match the electricity consumption pattern of consumers. Electricity from wind turbines tends to be very disorganized. It comes and goes according to its own schedule. Electricity from solar panels is organized, but the organization is not well aligned with the pattern of consumers prefer.
A major issue is that electricity for heating is required in winter, but solar electricity is disproportionately available in the summer; wind availability is irregular. Batteries can be added, but these mostly mitigate wrong “time-of-day” problems. Wrong “time-of-year” problems need to be mitigated with a lightly used parallel system. The most popular backup system seems to be natural gas, but backup systems with oil or coal can also be used.
This double system has a higher cost than either system would have if operated alone, on a full-time basis. For example, a natural gas system with pipelines and storage needs to be put in place, even if electricity from natural gas is only used for part of the year. The combined system needs experts in all areas, including electricity transmission, natural gas generation, repair of wind turbines and solar panels, and battery manufacture and maintenance. All of this requires educational systems and international trade, sometimes with unfriendly countries.
I also consider electric vehicles to be complex. One major problem is that the economy will require a double system, (for internal combustion engines and electric vehicles) for many, many years. Electric vehicles require batteries made using elements from around the world. They also need a whole system of charging stations to fill their need for frequent recharging.
[3] Professor Tainter makes the point that complexity has an energy cost, but this cost is virtually impossible to measure.
Energy needs are hidden in many areas. For example, to have a complex system, we need a financial system. The cost of this system cannot be added back in. We need modern roads and a system of laws. The cost of a government providing these services cannot be easily discerned. An increasingly complex system needs education to support it, but this cost is also hard to measure. Also, as we note elsewhere, having double systems adds other costs that are hard to measure or predict.
[3] The energy-complexity spiral cannot continue forever in an economy.
The energy-complexity spiral can reach limits in at least three ways:
[a] Extraction of minerals of all kinds is placed in the best locations first. Oil wells are first placed in areas where oil is easy to extract and close to population areas. Coal mines are first placed in locations where coal is easy to extract and transportation costs to users will be low. Mines for lithium, nickel, copper, and other minerals are put in the best-yielding locations first.
Eventually, the cost of energy production rises, rather than falls, due to diminishing returns. Oil, coal, and energy products become more expensive. Wind turbines, solar panels, and batteries for electric vehicles also tend to become more expensive because the cost of the minerals to manufacture them rises. All kinds of energy goods, including “renewables,” tend to become less affordable. In fact, there are many reports that the cost of producing wind turbines and solar panels rose in 2022, making the manufacture of these devices unprofitable. Either higher prices of finished devices or lower profitability for those producing the devices could stop the rise in usage.
[b] Human population tends to keep rising if food and other supplies are adequate, but the supply of arable land stays close to constant. This combination puts pressure on society to produce a continuous stream of innovations that will allow greater food supply per acre. These innovations eventually reach diminishing returns, making it more difficult for food production to keep up with population growth. Sometimes adverse fluctuations in weather patterns make it clear that food supplies have been too close to the minimum level for many years. The growth spiral is pushed down by spiking food prices and the poor health of workers who can only afford an inadequate diet.
[c] Growth in complexity reaches limits. The earliest innovations tend to be most productive. For example, electricity can be invented only once, as can the light bulb. Globalization can only go so far before a maximum level is reached. I think of debt as part of complexity. At some point, debt cannot be repaid with interest. Higher education (needed for specialization) reaches limits when workers cannot find jobs with sufficiently high wages to repay educational loans, besides covering living costs.
[4] One point Professor Tainter makes is that if the available energy supply is reduced, the system will need to simplify.
Typically, an economy grows for well over one hundred years, reaches energy-complexity limits, and then collapses over a period of years. This collapse can occur in different ways. A layer of government can collapse. I think of the collapse of the central government of the Soviet Union in 1991 as a form of collapse to a lower level of simplicity. Or one country conquers another country (with energy-complexity problems), taking over the government and resources of the other country. Or a financial collapse occurs.
Tainter says that simplification usually doesn’t happen voluntarily. One example he gives of voluntary simplification involves the Byzantine Empire in the 7th century. With less funding available for the military, it abandoned some of its distant posts, and it used a less costly approach to operating its remaining posts.
[5] In my opinion, it is easy for EROEI calculations (and similar calculations) to overstate the benefit of complex types of energy supply.
A major point that Professor Tainter makes in the talk linked above is that complexity has an energy cost, but the energy cost of this complexity is virtually impossible to measure. He also makes the point that growing complexity is seductive; the overall cost of complexity tends to grow over time. Models tend to miss necessary parts of the overall system needed to support a highly complex new source of energy supply.
Because the energy required for complexity is hard to measure, EROEI calculations with respect to complex systems will tend to make complex forms of electricity generation, such as wind and solar, look like they use less energy (have a higher EROEI) than they actually do. The problem is that EROEI calculations consider only direct “energy investment” costs. For example, the calculations are not designed to collect information regarding the higher energy cost of a dual system, with parts of the system under-utilized for portions of the year. Annual costs will not necessarily be reduced proportionately.
In the linked video, Professor Tainter talks about the EROEI of oil over the years. I don’t have a problem with this type of comparison, especially if it stops before the recent change to greater use of fracking, since the level of complexity is similar. In fact, such a comparison omitting fracking seems to be the one that Tainter makes. Comparison among different energy types, with different complexity levels, is what is easily distorted.
[6] The current world economy already seems to be trending in the direction of simplification, suggesting that the tendency toward greater complexity is already past its maximum level, given the lack of availability of inexpensive energy products.
I wonder if we are already starting to see simplification in trade, especially international trade, because shipping (generally using oil products) is becoming high-priced. This might be considered a type of simplification, in response to a lack of sufficient inexpensive energy supply.
Based on Figure 2, trade as a percentage of GDP hit a peak in 2008. There has been a generally downward trend in trade since then, giving an indication that the world economy has tended to shrink back, at least in some ways, as it has hit high-price limits.
Another example of a trend toward lower complexity is the drop in US undergraduate college and university enrollment since 2010. Other data shows that undergraduate enrollment nearly tripled between 1950 and 2010, so the shift to a downtrend after 2010 presents a major turning point.
The reason why the shift in enrollment is a problem is because colleges and universities have a huge amount of fixed expenses. These include buildings and grounds that must be maintained. Often debt needs to be repaid, as well. Educational systems also have tenured faculty members that they are obligated to keep on their staff, under most circumstances. They may have pension obligations that are not fully funded, adding another cost pressure.
According to the college faculty members whom I have talked to, in recent years there has been pressure to improve the retention rate of students who have been admitted. In other words, they feel that they are being encouraged to keep current students from dropping out, even if it means lowering their standards a little. At the same time, faculty wages are not keeping pace with inflation.
Other information suggests that colleges and universities have recently put a great deal of emphasis on achieving a more diverse student body. Students who might not have been admitted in the past because of low high school grades are increasingly being admitted in order to keep the enrollment from dropping further.
From the students’ point of view, the problem is that jobs that pay a sufficiently high wage to justify the high cost of a college education are increasingly unavailable. This seems to be the reason for both the US student debt crisis and the drop in undergraduate enrollment.
Of course, if colleges are at least somewhat lowering their admission standards and perhaps lowering standards for graduation, as well, there is a need to “sell” these increasingly diverse graduates with somewhat lower undergraduate achievement records to governments and businesses who might hire them. It seems to me that this is a further sign of the loss of complexity.
[7] In 2022, the total energy costs for most OECD countries started spiking to high levels, relative to GDP. When we analyze the situation, electricity prices are spiking, as are the prices of coal and natural gas–the two types of fuel used most frequently to produce electricity.
The OECD is an intergovernmental organization of mostly rich countries that was formed to stimulate economic progress and foster world growth. It includes the US, most European countries, Japan, Australia, and Canada, among other countries. Figure 4, with the caption “Periods of high energy expenditures are often associated with recession” is has been prepared by two economists working for OECD. The gray bars indicate recession.
Figure 4 shows that in 2021, prices for practically every cost segment associated with energy consumption tended to spike. Electricity, coal, and natural gas prices were all very high relative to prior years. The only segment of energy costs that was not very out of line relative to costs in prior years was oil. Coal and natural gas are both used to make electricity, so high electricity costs should not be surprising.
In Figure 4, the caption by the economists from OECD is pointing out what should be obvious to economists everywhere: High energy prices often push an economy into recession. Citizens are forced to cut back on non-essentials, reducing demand and pushing their economies into recession.
[8] The world seems to be up against extraction limits for coal. This, together with the high cost of shipping coal over long distances, is leading to very high prices for coal.
World coal production has been close to flat since 2011. Growth in electricity generation from coal has been almost as flat as world coal production. Indirectly, this lack of growth in coal production is forcing utilities around the world to move to other types of electricity generation.
[9] Natural gas is now also in short supply when growing demand of many types is considered.
While natural gas production has been growing, in recent years it hasn’t been growing quickly enough to keep up with the world’s rising demand for natural gas imports. World natural gas production in 2021 was only 1.7% higher than production in 2019.
Growth in the demand for natural gas imports comes from several directions, simultaneously:
- With coal supply flat and imports not sufficiently available, countries are seeking to substitute natural gas generation for coal generation of electricity. China is the world’s largest importer of natural gas partly for this reason.
- Countries with electricity from wind or solar find that electricity from natural gas can ramp up quickly and fill in when wind and solar aren’t available.
- There are several countries, including Indonesia, India and Pakistan, whose natural gas production is declining.
- Europe chose to end its pipeline imports of natural gas from Russia and now needs more LNG instead.
[10] Prices for natural gas are extremely variable, depending on whether the natural gas is locally produced, and depending on how it is shipped and the type of contract it is under. Generally, locally produced natural gas is the least expensive. Coal has somewhat similar issues, with locally produced coal being the least expensive.
This is a chart from a recent Japanese publication (IEEJ).
The low Henry Hub price at the bottom is the US price, available only locally. If supplies are high within the US, its price tends to be low. The next higher price is Japan’s price for imported liquefied natural gas (LNG), arranged under long-term contracts, over a period of years. The top price is the price that Europe is paying for LNG based on “spot market” prices. Spot market LNG is the only type of LNG available to those who did not plan ahead.
In recent years, Europe has been taking its chances on getting low spot market prices, but this approach can backfire badly when there is not enough to go around. Note that the high price of European imported LNG was already evident in January 2013, before the Ukraine invasion began.
A major issue is that shipping natural gas is extremely expensive, tending to at least double or triple the price to the user. Producers need to be guaranteed a high price for LNG over the long term to make all of the infrastructure needed to produce and ship natural gas as LNG profitable. The extremely variable prices for LNG have been a problem for natural gas producers.
The very high recent prices for LNG in Europe have made the price of natural gas too high for industrial users who need natural gas for processes other than making electricity, such as making nitrogen fertilizer. These high prices cause distress from the lack of inexpensive natural gas to spill over into the farming sector.
Most people are “energy blind,” especially when it comes to coal and natural gas. They assume that there is plenty of both fuels to be cheaply extracted, essentially forever. Unfortunately, for both coal and natural gas, the cost of shipping tends to be very high. This is something that modelers miss. It is the high delivered cost of natural gas and coal that makes it impossible for companies to actually extract the amounts of coal and natural gas that seem to be available based on reserve estimates.
[10] When we analyze electricity consumption in recent years, we discover that OECD and non-OECD countries have had amazingly different patterns of electricity consumption growth since 2001.
OECD electricity consumption has been close to flat, especially since 2008. Even before 2008, its electricity consumption was not growing rapidly.
The proposal now is to increase the use of electricity in OECD countries. Electricity will be used to a greater extent for fueling vehicles and heating homes. It will also to be used more for local manufacturing, especially for batteries and semiconductor chips. I wonder how OECD countries will be able to ramp up electricity production sufficiently to cover both current uses of electricity and planned new uses, if past electricity production has been essentially flat.
Figure 7 shows that coal’s share of electricity production has been falling for OECD countries, especially since 2008. “Other” has been rising, but only enough to keep overall production flat. Other is comprised of renewables, including wind and solar, plus electricity from oil and from burning of trash. The latter categories are small.
The pattern of recent energy production for non-OECD countries is very different:
Figure 8 shows that non-OECD countries have been rapidly ramping up electricity production from coal. Other major sources of fuel are natural gas and electricity produced by hydroelectric dams. All these energy sources are relatively non-complex. Electricity from locally produced coal, locally produced natural gas, and hydroelectric generation all tend to be quite inexpensive. With these inexpensive sources of electricity, non-OECD countries have been able to dominate the world’s heavy industry and much of its manufacturing.
In fact, if we look at the local production of fuels generally used to produce electricity (that is, all fuels except oil), we can see a pattern emerge.
With respect to extraction of fuels often associated with electricity, production has been closed to flat, even with “renewables” (wind, solar, geothermal, and wood chips) included. Coal production is down. The decline in coal production is likely a big part of the lack of growth in OECD’s electricity supply. Electricity from locally produced coal has historically been very inexpensive, bringing the average price of electricity down.
A very different pattern emerges when the production of fuels used to generate electricity for non-OECD countries is viewed. Note that the same scale has been used on both Figures 9 and 10. Thus, in 2001, the production of these fuels was about equal for OECD and non-OECD countries. Production of these fuels has about doubled since 2001 for non-OECD countries, while OECD production has remained close to flat.
Figure 10. Energy production of fuels often used for electricity production for non-OECD countries, based on data from BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy.
One item of interest on Figure 10 is coal production for non-OECD countries, shown in blue at the bottom. It has been barely increasing since 2011. This is part of what is now tightening world coal supplies. I am doubtful that spiking coal prices will add very much to long-term coal production because truly local supplies are becoming depleted, even in non-OECD countries. The spiking prices are much more likely to lead to recession, debt defaults, lower commodity prices, and lower coal supply.
[11] I am afraid that the world economy has hit complexity limits as well as energy production limits.
The world economy seems likely to collapse over a period of years. In the near term, the result may look like a bad recession, or it may look like war, or possibly both. So far, the economies using fuels that are not very complex for electricity (locally produced coal and natural gas, plus hydroelectric generation) seem to be doing better than others. But the overall world economy is stressed by inadequate cheap-to-produce local energy supplies.
In physics terms, the world economy, as well as all of the individual economies within it, are dissipative structures. As such, growth followed by collapse is a usual pattern. At the same time, new versions of dissipative structures can be expected to form, some of which may be better adapted to changing conditions. Thus, approaches for economic growth that seem impossible today may be possible over a longer timeframe.
For example, if climate change opens up access to more coal supplies in very cold areas, the Maximum Power Principle would suggest that some economy will eventually access such deposits. Thus, while we seem to be reaching an end now, over the long-term, self-organizing systems can be expected to find ways to utilize (“dissipate”) any energy supply that can be inexpensively accessed, considering both complexity and direct fuel use.
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Myocarditis can occur due the COVID virus but there are heightened risks due to the vaccine and especially in males and between the ages of 15 and 24 or so. But also in females. Parents and young persons if they took these shots, must not take the field until myocarditis is ruled out via high-sensitivity troponin test, by gadolinium contrasted cardiac MRI. It is imperative. Do not chance it as you may have silent myocarditis. I would also consider the D-dimer test to rule out blood clots, minute micro-thrombi post shot. Especially mRNA Pfizer and Moderna.
‘The Curé-Antoine-Labelle High School Wolves are in mourning. They announced the death of their player William Caron-Cabrera earlier in the week of February 6.
This is the main headline on BBG:
White House Holds Press Briefing
US Has ‘No Indication’ Alien Activity Behind Objects Shot Down
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-13/us-has-no-indication-alien-activity-behind-objects-shot-down?srnd=premium-canada
They are really f789ing with the MOREONS now
When the public no longer believes the government, they can always go the HG Wells route. Unfortunately the US is filled with id.iots and more-ons so they might still buy into it.
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We all waiting to see whether African Anglicans excommunicate the CofE lol. “Out, int’ ya!”
Look how hard done by I am: https://anglican.ink/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Welby-in-Ghana-2023.jpeg
“Thou shalt not lie, Justin?” The problem with telling different people different things is that everyone is liable to read everything these days?
https://inews.co.uk/news/justin-welby-african-anglicans-threatened-mps-during-gay-marriage-battle-2144568
Justin Welby tells African Anglicans he was ‘threatened’ by MPs during gay marriage battle
Dr Welby said in Westminster he was supportive of attempts to welcome the LGBT+ community – but in a speech in Ghana gave a very different account of events
Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, has told Anglican hardliners in Ghana that he was “threatened” by MPs during rows over the Church’s position on same-sex marriage.
The Archbishop made the claim in an address to Anglican leaders in Accra, Ghana on Sunday just days after the Church of England agreed a series of reforms on LGBT+ issues that stop short of embracing same-sex marriage.
Under the proposals greenlit by the General Synod, the Church’s parliament, on Thursday, members of the clergy will be permitted to “bless” same-sex couples who get a civil marriage but will remain banned from performing same-sex weddings.
Dr Welby had told the body he was supportive of attempts to welcome the LGBT+ community but would not personally conduct same-sex blessings due to his obligations to the global Anglican Communion – which is dominated by African churches strongly opposed to LGBT+ rights.
But in a pre-planned speech in Ghana, Dr Welby gave a very different account of events.
He said: “In the last few weeks, as part of our discussions about sexuality and the rules around sexuality in the Church of England, I talked of our interdependence with all Christians, not just Anglicans, particularly those in the Global South with other faith majorities.
“As a result I was summoned twice to Parliament, and threatened with parliamentary action to force same-sex marriage on us, called in England equal marriage. When I speak of the impact that actions by the Church of England will have on those abroad in the Anglican Communion, those concerns are dismissed by many in the General Synod.”
Even though the report calling for relaxed rules on LGBT+ issues and the permitting of blessings was produced by bishops and was welcomed in Westminster by Dr Welby, he claimed in Ghana: “Remember, in the Church of England, Archbishops do not chair the General Synod and do not organise its business and debates.”
Dr Welby complained that the UK is now in a phase of “post-Christianity”, adding: “We are in a completely different culture in the financially rich world to 30 years ago.
“We’ve replaced morality and Christian faith with personal control over our bodies, birth with genetically-designed babies is not far away, and death is something that so many believe we have a right to choose in the way and at the time we want.
“Modern European Global North morality is a morality for the wealthy, the powerful and the well-educated. It is a morality that does not believe in human sinfulness and failure. This is where the Church struggles.”
It is unclear how Dr Welby was “summoned to Parliament” as he sits in the House of Lords alongside 21 other bishops.
The Church of England remains the established Christian church in England and has specific exemptions codified into both equality laws and same-sex marriage laws.
Gay Labour MP Ben Bradshaw, who is an Anglican, told a Synod fringe event last week that he did not see much support for the “nuclear option” of disestablishing the Church of England – after broadcaster Sandi Toksvig launched a campaign calling for the expulsion of bishops from the Lords – but suggested “a lot” of MPs would be willing to back other legal reforms.
Meanwhile, Tory MP Andrew Selous, the Church’s representative in Parliament, said that while it was “not the job of Parliament” to specify Church doctrine, “I am conscious that Parliament’s patience will not be infinite, and there have already been cross-party meetings of MPs to look at a private member’s Bill to require the Church to go further”.
Justin is a liar? That seems to be what evangelicals and everyone else here is telling the GFSA. It is not clear that anyone wants to back up Justin’s account of what he has done.
It is a sad thing if Justin thinks that he can just lie to African Anglicans. He at least owes them honesty if nothing else? Do not just sit there lying?
https://anglican.ink/2023/02/12/archbishop-of-canterbury-challenged-over-claims-of-being-threatened-with-parliamentary-action-to-bring-in-same-sex-marriage-in-the-church-of-england/
Archbishop of Canterbury challenged over claims of being ‘threatened with Parliamentary action’ to bring in same-sex marriage in the Church of England
CLAIMS by the Archbishop of Canterbury to global Anglican leaders in Ghana that he was “threatened with parliamentary action” to “force same-sex marriage” on the Established Church of England, have been challenged as “playing with the full truth!”
The Most Revd Justin Welby is currently speaking at the Anglican Consultative Council (ACC) meeting in Ghana, where over 110 representatives from over 40 Anglican provinces (national churches) are gathered. The significant event comes just days after the CofE’s General Synod voted to bring in prayers to ‘bless’ same sex unions and, to remove the ban on gay clergy in civil partnerships having to remain celibate.
In a Presidential Address, Mr Welby told those present in the Ghanian capital, Accra, that “I was summoned twice to Parliament, and threatened with parliamentary action to force same-sex marriage on us, called in England equal marriage. When I speak of the impact that actions by the Church of England will have on those abroad in the Anglican communion, those concerns are dismissed by many, not all, but by many.”
But the archbishops’ comments – to an audience representing provinces (national churches) which are vastly supportive of the traditional and biblical views of marriage and sexuality – have been roundly criticised by the leader of Anglican Orthodox, a grassroots movement of clergy and parish officers opposed to the Synod’s recent vote.
The Revd Paul Eddy is a vicar in Oxfordshire, Convenor of Anglican Orthodox, and the pubic relations adviser to the influential Global South Fellowship of Anglican Churches (GSFA) which publicly challenged the archbishop liberalising leadership at last year’s Lambeth Conference. The GSFA’s provinces represent around 75 percent of global Anglicans.
Mr Eddy said: “Sadly, as we found at the Lambeth Conference, the archbishop tells church leaders something which, in their culture, means something different to ours, knowing they don’t have independent advisers on hand to explain. The truth is ‘parliament’ does not mean the UK ‘government’, which is what Anglican Communion delegates, from 40-plus nations, just arrived in Ghana, will think.
“I’ve discussed these issues with MPs from both sides. There was an Urgent Debate in the Commons on the issue at which (from the BBC Parliament Channel), I counted 11 MP’s present. I think almost all of them gay, and several in gay civil partnerships. There were less than 30 MPs at any time in the chamber. With over 400 MPs, that’s hardly a ‘strong challenge from parliament.”
Mr Eddy, who has strong links with Christian MPs said he was also aware of two gay MPs canvassing support for a possible ‘Westminster Hall Debate. The motion would be to explore a Bill to remove the CofE’s equality law exemptions and, start the process towards the Disestablishment of the CofE.
Mr Eddy says MPs on both sides of the aisle told him their respective Party leadership has no interest in “starting a debate about the CofE, of which the King is the ‘supreme governor’, in his year of Coronation. Or, unsettling relations with other faiths in sensitive areas of the nation.”
Mr Eddy said: “If parliament were to try to take away the CofE’s exemptions under the 2010 Equality Act, it would mean the British Parliament would take away the historic ‘freedom of religion’ when, across the globe we criticise other Governments for persecuting people of faith. It wouldn’t stand up to legal challenge. It is nonsense and the archbishop knows it. Justin Welby is giving just enough information to make delegates think he had no alternative. But he is not telling them the whole truth.
“If this were true, why did he not say so in the House of Lords that he’d been threatened? Why did he not mention it to General Synod last week over the two days of debate last week?
“And why, when the Second Estates Commissioner – the official link between the CofE and the House of Commons – spoke in the General Synod debate, his assessment was, there are some MPs who wanted change, but many others had spoken to him privately, saying they were against any change, but were afraid to say so publicly. Why didn’t the archbishop tell the ACC that?”
Mr Eddy says the archbishop is also deliberately withholding from the ACC a very important and sensitive piece of information which “would render his claim nonsense”.
He said: “Let’s get real. Is he really saying Parliament would take away the Equality Act rights, and Freedom of Religion rights of Christians – including the Roman Catholics (backed by the Pope), and of Muslims, not to hold gay marriage in churches, synagogues or Mosques?
“Sorry. At a time when community relations between other faiths is both delicate and vital, the MPs I spoke to told me there was no way any political party would try to ‘impose’ gay marriage on Muslims, Jews, or people of any faith.”
The ACC runs from February 11-23.
The hypocrisy of the organised religions is astonishing. “Public virtues, private vices”. And I mean “virtues” satirically, of course.
Here’s a quote from the Wikipedia entry about A. N. Wilson:
“Wilson went to New College, Oxford, graduating in 1972. He had originally entered St Stephen’s House, Oxford, a Church of England seminary, with the intention of being ordained as a priest but left the college after only one year of study. Five years after graduation he published the novel Unguarded Hours (1978) based upon his experiences at the seminary and his perception of its homoerotic atmosphere.”
I never read his novel, but I do remember an old newspaper article of his about his time in the seminary. He reckoned about 20% of the students were gay. If the Church were truly to ban gay practices, then that 20% would probably leave and work as rent boys.
As for the Muslims, well, the Arabs are Muslims. But didn’t all the gays used to flock to the Arab countries when gays were persecuted in the West? I must admit, I have sometimes wondered why Muslims pray with their arse in the air. 😉
But when times are bad economically, homophobia thrives. Look at Birmingham, England, in the news recently. And Putin is enacting new homophobic laws. I mentioned before how alienated people are more liable to become traitors. Gay British supporters of Russia will have nowhere to turn soon. If their treachery is called out in the UK and they flee to Russia, why, they’ll end up in prison or murdered. What a tangled web the Abrahamic religions have woven.
Not all persecuted people become traitors, of course. Alan Turing was a fine patriot and is rightly honoured on the Bank of England’s 50 pound note. Amazing that Napoleon Bonaparte abolished the French homophobic laws around 1800. Could you imagine that happening in England? It would have made for a healthier atmosphere and fewer alienated citizens.
In truth, the libertarian in me would not want to force religions to adopt gay marriage against their will. One advantage of that would be that such religious institutions would continue to look ridiculously outdated and reactionary to sensible people.
Anyway, I understand that our resident wallflower has a personal interest in this matter. Is he gay-married? Apparently he is wheelchair-bound so may feel more vulnerable. But on the internet, nobody knows he’s a Dalek, so he has nothing to fear. 😉
Traditionally, rich British homosexuals went to Italy, where things were much easier for them, particularly in the South where the poor would happily sell themselves or their children.
Just as they sold their services to the US military in WW2.
Gays in Morocco, etc, is a 20th c phenomenon, which really took off with cheap flights. Again, exploiting poverty.
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Zerohedge has an article called “Mapping Europe’s Biggest Sources of Electricity by Country.” I thought this chart from it was interesting:
https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/Europes-Biggest-Source-of-Electricity-by-Country-2.jpg
Coal is the biggest source of electricity in Germany. Nuclear is the biggest source of electricity in Ukraine.
The map suggests, look to the little flag on the left bottom, that Norway, UK, Ukraine, Georgia and Turkey are part of the European Union.
You are right and in fact it is map generated by EU.
If we don’t blow up, my impression is that Ukraine will enter EU at any cost, it is just a matter of accepting Donbass and Crimea in Russia or not.
In case EU and US will have no alternative to accept those territories belonging to Russia, in order to cover this bloody-fiasco they will cover it with another emergency: a war or media/commercial escalation with Iran, a war or media/commercial escalation with China, another health emergency, severe internet damages and other portfolio alternatives to distract and involve people in messy situations.
As you say, Student. Their playbook is only five or six pages. It seems strange that most people have not caught up.
Pages is far too generous: only five fingers, I’d say!
The propaganda and manipulation business is so dreadfully boring, but they put so much energy into it, poor things….
Actually, I think you may be the one who is confused. The chart at the bottom simply breaks out fuels for the EU. It has nothing to do with the chart above, which is for Europe.
Taking a break folks. Things not getting done that need to get done. Be back after a bit. Thanks for putting up with me Gail!
We will be happy to have you back again, in the future.
I’ll ask Fast if he can make up for the loss by posting more
Example https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/64833
norm… those are … crisis actors hahaha
I’ll miss you banned, be well and get those things done…remember “collapse” is only a day or two or three away…per davidinamonthorayearoradecade.
PS If Gail can put up with “Nuttie Eddie” she can with just about anyone..
Just kidding ☺️
All the best to you banned
hope you havent been seduced by one of those floaty things, making you an offer you can’t refuse
Likud Party shooting itself in the foot right now in advance of the great Zionist disappearing act or will the aliens destroy Temple Knesset, miraculously doing the dirty work for them? Enquiring minds want to know. The Overton Window is now a glass house — no — make that a civilization made of glass, like in the book We.
(Bloomberg – GCaptain)
”Cost of Shipping Gasoline Jumps 405% After Russia Sanctions.
The cost of moving gasoline and other fuels on ocean-going tankers is soaring days after sanctions targeting Russia’s petroleum sales. […]
“Russian volumes continue to flow at more or less the same rate and that takes up a lot of ships,” said Lars Bastian Ostereng, an analyst at Arctic Securities.
“Ultimately the spike shows demand is pretty good, and the fundamentals are strong.” […]
“What we hear is that many vessels suddenly were removed from tonnage lists and drawn towards Russia,” said Eirik Haavaldsen, a shipping analyst at Pareto Securities AS in Oslo. “So suddenly vessel supply was almost gone yesterday.”
https://gcaptain.com/cost-of-shipping-gasoline-jumps-405-after-russia-sanctions/
The pre-crisis arrangement was a least cost arrangement. Now, Russian oil and oil products end up traveling farther, adding to more demand for ships and more fuel used in transport. It uses more sailors as well. It is definitely is not a low-cost arrangement. It is hard to see how this arrangement is sustainable over the long term. For one thing, too much oil is used in shipping.
Last year, for instance, the chief executive of Chevron, Mike Wirth, countered accusations by the Biden administration that the oil industry was raking in inordinate profits, saying that from a longer-term perspective, these were in fact modest returns on investments that oil companies made.
Industry insiders have noted, only half-jokingly, that if the federal government wants to tax the excess profits of Big Oil, then it should have provided financial support to the industry when it struggled during the worst of the Covid crisis. Or that it should have also taxed Big Tech, which made billions during the two pandemic years.
Exxon went further, attacking the windfall tax the European Union recommended to all its members in court. The supermajor said that the windfall tax was counter-productive, it discouraged investments, and the European Union had exceeded its legal authority in imposing the tax on oil companies. It noted the $3 billion it had invested in refineries in Europe in the past 10 years, ensuring the security of fuel supply for the continent, suggesting that such investments would not be forthcoming in a windfall tax environment.
….Now, after a devastating 2020, a much better 2021, and a stellar 2022, Looney appears to have reconsidered some of BP’s goals. This time last year, BP said it planned to cut oil and gas production by 40 percent from 2019 levels by 2030. This week, the supermajor said the 2030 production cut target would be 25 percent from 2019 levels by 2030.
What’s more, the Wall Street Journal, citing unnamed sources, reported a week ago that BP’s chief executive had been unhappy with the returns that many BP renewable energy projects were making. As a result, the report said, he planned to dial back the company’s transformation from Big Oil major to Big Energy major.
It could be that record profits have emboldened the oil industry, especially in the context of disappointing performance from renewable energy majors such as Orsted and Siemens Gamesa. Or it could be that the oil industry has had enough and has decided to stop rolling with the punches and instead serve some back.
By Irina Slav for Oilprice.com
Commodity prices are notoriously cyclical. If government tax away the profits in good years, they will have a difficult time keeping the producers.
A niece of a left wing talk show host hurt her ankle which got infected. Long story short, her right leg, left leg then right hand had to be amputated and the her organ failed so they took her off life support.
A client of a colleague of mine suffered a minor incident, don’t know what that is, and it got worse and 2 weeks later he is in ICU with a poor chance for recovery.
Just two deaths, completely unrelated, in a couple of weeks.
We know the inbreeding of the upper class leaves them sickly and likely to die young.
I think that inbreeding may decrease the fraction of defective genes, but I haven’t thought it through to determine whether diploidy makes that idea bunk (via passing bad genes on recessive alleles).
If true, subsequent hybrid vigor would be even stronger afterwards, even though the original inbred intermediates would be inferior.
https://gsejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12711-020-00582-2
“Conclusions
Although the average inbreeding depression loads presented negative values, a certain percentage of the animals showed neutral or even positive values. Thus, high levels of inbreeding do not always lead to a decrease in mean phenotypic value or an increase in morphological defects. Hence, individual inbreeding depression loads could be used as a tool to select the most appropriate breeding animals. The possibility of selecting horses that have a high genetic value and are more resistant to the deleterious effects of inbreeding should help improve selection outcomes.”
Why is inbreeding even an issue anymore when it’s possible to sequence DNA? Just don’t have offspring with _anyone_ sharing recessive genes causing malfunction in the children.
Technology makes old stigmas irrelevant, even though they’ve been put there for a reason.
Speculating here, but I bet all of us have deleterious recessive mutations, if not recessive fatal mutations. What saves us is that they’re not frequent in the population, so the chance of homozygosity in offspring is low.
If that’s true, it will be impossible to find an “acceptable” partner; it would take gene-by-gene editing to remove the genetic load.
Yes, according to 23andMe I’ve got two it seems:
1. Hereditary fructose intolerance
2. Age related macular degeneration
Can’t exactly be intractable to find a broad without these defects if producing progeny is that important to me (it clearly isn’t).
But what do I know?
🤷♂️
Okay, so after thinking a little about it, inbreeding does decrease the *overall* frequency of non-reproductive genes (ironically at the same time increasing the likelihood of a genetic disease in the individual).
Example with a two-variant gene:
Create a Punnett square where one of two variants is non-functional, but masked because the genotype is heterozygous. Of the four possible offspring variants, one is homozygous recessive and gets weeded out. The heterozygous or homozygous dominant offspring are okay. So you end up weeding out the worst 1/4 of homozygous-fatal recessive genes, but simultaneously non-fatal homozygous deleterious genes can be transmitted, leading to genetic disease.
“Just two deaths, completely unrelated, in a couple of weeks.”
probably WERE RELATED, both sound like consequences of damaged immune systems.
now why would they both have damaged immune systems?
“The debt spiral part of this means things from here continue to get worse and worse for the big currencies of the world until they die…”
” In other words, until people lose faith in them, refuse to use them and hold them anymore until their value falls to their intrinsic value, which is zero. That manifests to hyperinflation. The value of the currency falls as opposed to the things you buy with it…
Things feel basically okay for a long time as long as governments could force interest rates down to really low levels. The side effects of that are massive money creation and, eventually, inflation. That’s what we are dealing with now. So, here we go. Welcome to the end game for the world’s big currencies.”
Rubino contends things have gotten so out of control that there is no stopping what is coming. Rubino says, “We are in the part of the cycle now where things just get worse, and there is nothing we can do about it…”
” You are going to see companies that have borrowed huge amounts of money to buy back their stock, and now they see their interest costs explode. Governments around the world have the same problem, and there is nothing central banks can do about this. The next stage of this is when everybody realizes that there is no fix. Daddy is not going to come home and take care of all of this, and there is no adult supervision.
The financial markets are basically on their own with so much debt that there is nothing left to do. You either have mass bankruptcies or inflate away the currencies of the world, and we’re there—finally. 2023 is going to be an amazing year… and we make the decision about what kind of a crisis we fall into.
We have a 1930’s style deflationary depression, which is what happens if we keep raising interest rates. Or, a Weimar Germany kind of hyperinflation, which is what happens if we try to inflate our way out of our current debt problems. And that’s it. This is not something on the distant horizon anymore. It’s something right here staring us in the face.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/welcome-endgame-rubino-warns-everyones-about-realize-theres-no-fix
Rubino is a financial analyst who doesn’t talk about energy problems. His view is that we are already in debt so deeply that interest rates will stay high and take the system down. There is a video (on Rumble) available linked to within this Zerohedge article.
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Funny! https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/44882 I’d rather just die if I was that f789ed – doing her a favour
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/the-faa-has-very-quietly-tacitly
The FAA has very quietly tacitly admitted that the EKGs of pilots are no longer normal. We should be concerned. Very concerned
It is probably not just the airline pilots with abnormal EKGs. There are a whole lot of other people who took the vaccines, who likely have abnormal EKGs.
Whatever the proportion is in the pilot community … it would be similar or maybe worse in the general population
hahahaha… everyone is f789ed
@Eddy
In biology, when the carrying capacity is exceeded, the remaining population eats up not only the usual food but all that is available and thus increases the collapse. For example rabbits dont only eat the grass but also the roots, which means the survivors and the next generation have nothing because the grass wont grow fpr a long time. This will surely also happen with humans after a crash.
If the deadly vaxx, that according to Fauci has never protected against anything, were to make any sense next to making money, it would be to prevent this. Assuming that though would mean that the damage would be much higher than we see currently.
“everyone is f789ed”
A frightening thought. Most of my family and friends are vaxxed at least two times.
Ya I know
Isn’t it great!!!
hahaha… f789ed… we’re suiciding the species hahaha
How difficult is it to make the latest gen Boeings and Airbuses fully autonomous?
Just download the flight data and off they go. I’d feel safer with a machine doing the flying than a vaxxed Hyper Duped.
Talk about strange. In my front yard There are about a dozen roughly cylindrical shaped objects gently bobbing up and down. They do not touch the ground. They have no visible means of support. They are about the size of a large SUV. They are peaceful. They may be sleeping.
I have tried to talk to them to no avail. My thinking live and let live. I am hoping they leave me a copy of the galactic encyclopedia.
same thing in my yard!
at least they are in nice colors, purple and fuchsia.
I hope they stay awhile.
2023 rocks!
to me they sound like jwitnesses from Proxima Centauri Ed
or some of L Ron Hubbards buddies
What have you folks been drinking?
I think it’s their medications…wait until their retirement checks get much smaller… they will be seeing red!
That’s a non-BAU wrinkle David had failed to account for! No more chocolate in front of the fire.
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters…. I suspect
Oh those. Those are the new portable vaccination clinics. Tents are icky. Plus! Every vaccination client gets a ride! Possibly a exam too but they dont remember.
Try speaking to them in a Vogon
or maybe Dolphin……..
I find it interesting that so many of the commenters have read Douglas Adams HHGTTG. The hallmark of a well read individual or at least someone with a good sense of humour.
42.
I wonder,do the young still read him, or does it indicate our age (horrible thought! )?
He went to my College, but all they do is bang on about Wordsworth and a few dreary scientists and PM’s: whereas Douglas Adams is the one who should have a statue put up to him!
I ignore such uninvited visitors, as I am far more interested in going to talk with the Fay folk under the ancient hawthorn tree.
And, inside the house, I have enough trouble from the resident sprite. So naughty…..
A drop in the bucket but still… that’s lots of misery particularly for the young formerly healthy
excess deaths around the world as recorded by Dr John Campbell;
Australia 9%,
Denmark 30%
England 20%
France 25%
Germany 43%
Hungary 11%
Ireland 20%
Netherlands 37%
Norway 28%
New Zealand 17%
Poland 21%
Scotland 13%
South Korea 18%
Switzerland 12%
Taiwan 25%
United States 12%
I totally understand that FE is just a parrot without any capacity for analysis and Campbell a delusional puppet. But excess deaths in February have always been 10-30% in the Northern Hemisphere. A casual glance at euromomo, specially pre-2020 data, will show that beyond a reasonable doubt.
Check this out
https://youtu.be/KhRuama5Nag
I find it hard to believe that the percentages shown could be excess deaths in February. It is February now; there is a substantial lag in reporting deaths in many countries. It must be over some longer period, ending before 2020.
Your view of other people is decidedly ungenerous.
Eddy gets his revenge every morning, as I scroll through hundreds of his posts to get to some content. Campbell is a sort of mass shooter, taking it out on the random masses by convincing them to get the jab with his grandfatherly advice.
And, why give these stupid numbers without context? This winter has been less deadly than 2017 for example (again, in Europe, where most of those countries are located). Would you be able to tell from the original post? No? Do you see my point?
Excess deaths couldn’t always have been 10%-30% higher. If so, they wouldn’t be excess deaths, but a normal level of deaths.
It’s because of the way they model it. Basically excess deaths is never negative except for small statistical fluctuations. In the year prior to 2020, it was always very close to zero in spring, summer and fall. It did show small excesses during summer heat waves. Then in winter it was and is always positive, due to the flu. For example in January 2017 there was +40% excess mortality. January 2018, 27%, europe-wide (euromomo.eu).
Are you saying that the base always factors out some causes of death (like the flu)? Otherwise, if it is always higher than, say, five years ago, they would become part of the base in five years time.
Just do what the DOD did after the leaking showing huge spikes in death and illness post vax… you just change all the previous numbers bringing them in line with the new ones.
Fixed it For Ya FIFY
is this the eddy breakfast rush—-toronto time?
Australia at ONLY 9%, despite a 96%+ double jab rate. Yeehah, just shows what stars we are. Big, hunky chunks of glowingly healthy, beefcake and boobies.
FE’s data proves beyond doubt a lifestyle with lotsa beer, beach and sunshine beats that natural health baloney.
Boost me baby, boost me all night long.
What video is this from? It would be worthwhile to know what period these percentages relate to, A link to the video much give more information on this.
There was not link
There is an embedded video at this site. It seems the time period varies per country (non are completely up to date) with some being several months old. Also, the percentages seem to be based on actual numbers rather than rate per 100K, say. Lastly, the base seems to be fixed (average deaths in 2015-2019), so not necessarily a consistent measure of excess deaths (e.g. same base for 2020 as for 2022) though I can see that using a rolling base may not give helpful results. However, it’s not consistent and doesn’t take into account any decrease or increase in population or any change in average deaths.
All these countries have aging populations. That means an overproportionally large cohort reaches an age where more people (naturally) die. I am extremely suspicious towards the vaxx, but statistics are prone to missinterpretations. You have to dive in deeply. Does the life-expectancy of this cohort matches the data? Is this cohort large enough to create these effects? Otherwise it is not more than an alarming signal.
If it’s not the vax – and it’s not covid – what is causing the excess deaths?
they are all the millions of ex-ofw readers who’ve topped themselves after 2 years of eddy driven covidrama
Millennials Are Earning Less Than What Their Gen-X Counterpart Earned When They Were of the Same Age as MillennialsAre Today
Data Clearly Shows Why Millennials Aren’t Buying Homes
By Marifur Rahman
Here are more stats for you. Today, millennials’ wealth accounts for just 4.% of the entire US Wealth. Gen-X and baby boomers- together capture 78% of the US Wealth.
The problem is, as per the CNBC report, during 1989, baby boomers were of the same age as millennials are today, and they captured 21% of the overall US wealth.
Compare this figure with the measly 4.6% of wealth captured by today’s millennials. This poignantly shows the wealth gap that millennials are suffering from.
It is in this situation that the millennials’ inability to buy a new house should be analysed.
What Millennials Need
Millennials don’t need data to know that they can’t buy a house. They already know this on a first-hand basis. What they need, at the very least, is empathy from their Gen-X counterparts. Every day, on social media, millennials rue that their parents, bosses, and other old acquaintances don’t try to understand the precarious situation they are living in. Even if they work seven days a week, they would still remain financially incapable of buying new homes. They aren’t lazy. They are overworked, underpaid, and sad. The data is at the disposal of anyone who would like to disagree.
Categories:The Global Economics https://www.theglobaleconomics.com/2023/02/13/millennials-buying-homes/amp/
What we have here is a brewing of a Social Revolution
You say, “What we have here is a brewing of a Social Revolution”
Adding to this mess, these young people have a disproportionate share of the student debt that they need to pay back with their inadequate incomes. This situation is not sustainable. Will this be a social revolution? A financial collapse? War? All of these? We don’t know.
What we need are more jabs for boomers! Free up those resources! 😉
I did my part, got double jabbed with the rat juice because the CDC affirmed it was approved for babies, children and young adults. Will be 65 this month and still waiting for the big one..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=stdi-1tIUhM
Don’t feel too bad for me..the only thing they can take away from me is my retirement…which, by the way, they are in the process of doing as we breathe…
The Nannies of Germany would be impressed with Adolf Hitter and Joey Gerbels gleefully rubbing their hands together.
Saying, “Well done, Boys”.
Just kidding..really…😉
Sorry man, and know that it was in jest. My parents are 4x jabbed and I don’t want an early inheritance. Hopefully you and they all got duds.
Please, ivanslav, I laugh it off too …no offense taken and hopefully it was a dud and I am O blood type that is not predisposed to blood clots.
At this stage, if those in control don’t get you this way, they have plan B which may be far worse…
I do feel for those babies, children and young folks…no excuse to include them too in their pogrom and it was just evil.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qQV7KHUo6VU&t=1276s
What happened to me? | Near death experience, myocarditis
A very good mate … was so incensed that Fast Eddy refused to ‘do HIS part’ … that he stopped communicating with Fast Eddy over a year ago.
And do ya think that since all the Vaxxies got covid despite ‘doing their part’ he would try to mend the fence? Nope.
F789 him. F789 peer pressure. Fast Eddy don’t do that sh*t.
I wish I were more confident of the data in this report. I could not find any real report that it linked to. The author of the article is an English major who specializes in finding the human side of stories, based on a blurb I found.
Significant HAZMAT event in Ohio.
The deciscion was made for a controlled burn.
The three ways humans dispose of things
burn it
bury it
dump it in the ocean
Im guessing(guessing) damage from this will exceed love canal.
Thoughts and prayers to Ohio.
Strategic nuclear exchange will make this look like a grain of sand.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/vDYaybzpYwzQ/
A lot of toxic chemicals released when the train derailed and caught fire in Ohio.
https://twitter.com/drewhlive/status/1625161837569511426?s=46&t=TXwGR-TbvwG6zD7–ROaxw&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
yes norm … Fast is thinking of you here!!!
Isn’t this wonderful?
Isn’t it?
DEVASTATING Australian NSW data showing the quadrupled COVID mRNA vaccinated (4 shots) have massive spikes in hospitalization & death! Data as of December 2022 and NOTE: dose response & no vaxx
https://palexander.substack.com/p/devastating-australian-nsw-data-showing
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eddy
i have a cousin in Tronno who has a nice little sideline selling barrels to visitors who insist that Niagara is just a hologram– a fake.
if you go down there–you can’t miss him, he has a stall selling them at the water’s edge—or i can give you his number if you like?
If I had a death wish I’d just inject Rat Juice.
As I listen to an 8 year old boosted up and sniffling away….
eddy
i have this inverted fantasy—that if covid hadn’t appeared on the scene a couple of years ago—you would have nothing to talk about
Nah – FE would still be talking about what the Elders would do when they start to push on a string due to energy depletion …
Since we already know what they did … we talk about that
I looked back at Gail’s comment section during the timeframe of the Covid lockdowns to see if FE had an invocation but he was absent. However I did find posts by a user named “covidinamonthorayearoradecade.”
I am not as clever as I think.
More vaccinations seems to lead to more hospitalizations and deaths.
I would like to see this data by age group.
Old people in Japan should kill themselves to avoid burdening the state, a professor at Yale University has said.
The Telegraph
Old people should embrace ‘mass suicide’, says Yale professor
David Millward
Sun, February 12, 2023 at 12:22 PM EST·2 min read
Yusuke Narita, an assistant professor of economics, has also suggested that euthanasia could be made compulsory.
Last year, official statistics in Japan revealed that over-75s accounted for 15 per cent of the country’s population for the first time. Those over 65 account for 29.1 per cent of the total, making the Japanese population the oldest in the world.
“I feel like the only solution is pretty clear,” said Mr Narita, 37. “In the end, isn’t it mass suicide and mass ‘seppuku’ of the elderly?” – referring to the act of disembowelment employed by dishonoured Samurai in the late 19th century.
Prof Narita told The New York Times his comments had been taken out of context, adding that they related to demands for older people in leadership positions to make way for the younger generation. He said his primary concern was how old people dominated positions of influence in Japanese society.
The references to “mass suicide” and “mass seppuku” touched a raw nerve in a country which honoured kamikaze pilots during the Second World War.
Prof Narita insisted his remarks about mass suicide were a metaphor, adding: “I should have been more careful about their potential negative connotations. After some self-reflection, I stopped using the words last year.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/old-people-embrace-mass-suicide-172220337.html
I was just misunderstood…sure you were pal…and I thought you were just kidding
First we had the Canadian story about suicides being encouraged for at least some subset of the population (those with pain that cannot be eliminated). Now we have this kind of writing from an assistant professor at Yale, apparently of Japanese background, writing about the need for suicide among the elderly in Japan to get the population in that country back in balance again.
New York State just legalized euthanasia, while California legalized LSD. We in New York got the short end of that stick.
If it wasn’t for the over-65s, Japan wouldn’t have much of an economy.
There is a couple in their late eighties who run a gas station about 40km from where I live. When they aren’t busy, you can see them in the office as you drive past. Usually she is sitting on a chair and he’s laying on the sofa.
The guy who delivers our newspaper ,working most nights of the year in all weathers, is 75.
They guy who repaired our heat pump/hot water heater last month is also in his mid-seventies. He feels can’t retire as there aren’t enough young skilled people prepared to do this kind of work.
Anyway, there can’t be many less productive or more over-paid groups than economics professors. They typically earn ten times what an old person on a pension does and contribute a tenth as much value to the common wealth. Economics dictates that they should be among the first groups to commit seppuku for the sake of the productive population. Personally, I can’t see any downside to eliminating that entire job category.
Disposing of the elderly is how indigenous cultures used to maintain balance with their environment.
Australian Aborigines also had various social constructs to dispose of people incl. children and healthy adults to manage their population. That’s how they kept going for 40,000 years ish.
they are all individual opinions, not collective choices or intentions
there is a world of difference between an aboriginal tribes, severely restricted by its environment, and a modern society with seeming unlimited resources.
we can afford to spend 100k on the birth-survival of a disabled child, or granny hip kidney transplant.
all that is due to surplus resources.
when we no longer have surplus resources, there will be a collective shift away from such ideas because we wont have the means to do it.
We are so intelligent now that we waste enormous amounts of energy and effort keeping useless sick old people alive.
Cuz?
I say f789 em… if they can’t pull their weight give them a handful of Super Fent and send them into the bush in mid winter to provide a meal for the feral pigs….
It seems this way existed in old Japan, when resources wer scarce. There is a movie about it, The Ballad of Narayama (not sure about the english title).
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Interestingly for those knocking gov, the remote work agenda has been the biggest energy saver (but it’s not BAU)
We can definitely mitigate the energy shortage but it’s still not BAU.
10% more is more than paid back.
https://www.mainepublic.org/environment-and-outdoors/2023-01-25/this-maine-home-can-stay-70-degrees-without-a-furnace-even-when-its-freezing-outside?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Everyone who ever took a government check, worked for the government, even though that “ government “ at all was a good idea should be impaled on sharpened poles. The release of their souls into the simulacrums machinery will increase the number of detritus feeders in the ecology of this realm. They will all come back as slugs, fungi and fern spores.
Yikes, that’s a zerohedge response!
Interestingly, gov acts no differently than landlords; there’s always a gov of some sort.
Less is better though.
Can life after be worse than life on earth?
This is childish. I don’t like government either, but some form of government always takes root – be it a republic, democracy, monarchy, whatever. Why? Because organized humans are stronger than solitary ones. This should all be blindingly obvious.
And that is why the parasites flourish so.
I suspect there is a simulacrum lesson in there somewhere.
There are often multiple governments with some people preferring the alternative one(s) such as the Cosa Nostra feeling it better reflects the quality known as representation.
“organized humans are stronger than solitary ones.”.
Organized-Organism-organization
A sum of parts becomes something different than the separate parts.
Organisms that have larger energy inputs succeed and organisms that have lessor energy inputs perish. Successful organisms always seek larger energy inputs in order to compete successful. It is their primary principle. The quality known as representation is largely insignificant compared to the truth of maximum power principle. Non participation is regarded as the primary threat to a organism. The quality known as representation exists as the carrot to ensure participation the stick being force application. The organisms needs are always prioritized over the needs of the participants. If this is not done the organism perishes. Voluntary participation seems to be more efficient but only marginally so.
A set of rules are desirable for humans. Without them humans pillage not only the environment but other humans. A set of rules eliminates the threat from the uber predator which is not only direct but secondary via resource consumption. Ideally this set of rules is a function of agreement. Organisms birth as functions of rule enforcement but sustain themselves via Maximum power principle.
Organisms compete with other organisms for resource consumption. They also compete with the individual humans that participate in their organization. The ratios of consumption vary based on resource availabilty. The organism having control of regulation will always prioritize its resource consumption. If it does not a competing organism will succeed.
These realities lead to a lot of resource consumption. Resouces are finite. This results in war. Now the organisms are nuclear armed. Self preservation conflicts with normal operating principles.
What has not occurred is organisms agreeing to artificially limit resource consumption forsaking maximum power principle. Agreeing being the alternative to force.. When attempts are made to do this they invariably rely on the secondary principle of mandatory participation. Organisms understand mandatory participation and one big organism with no competitors and involuntary participation fits their paradigm.
The principle of representation is almost insignificant in the organism principle hierarchy as is the ability of non organisms to exert force so their resource consumption is represented. The only thing having less hierarchy is non human resource consumption. The concept of justice is mostly pretend. Humans seem incapable of involving justice in their hierarchy as it is contrary to the primary and secondary principles of the organisms that arise. The qualities that humans possess that reference justice are known as feelings or intuition. These qualities are not given priority in the hierarchy in the least.
IMO when leaders arise that demonstrate some capability for intuition they should be supported. Force can not support intuition as force is contrary to intuition. Whether humans are actually capable of instituting anything that does not operate anything that does not operate off maximum power principle is questionable. That would require the quality of humbleness and that quality is not abundant.
The alternative is the planet will administer justice. IMO this is the overwhelming probability.
https://www.ecologycenter.us/ecosystem-theory/the-maximum-power-principle.html
The proper highest level of social status within human groups is the “ big man”. A chieftain of simple sorts. They mediate disputes, discuss and help facilitate community strategies and most importantly,…. They pick their own potatoes or they themselves starve!
After the coming solar outburst teaches humans that we are not the lords of this creation,…… this will be made manifest once again.
Correct. The animist Big Man morphing into the proto-religious chieftain was the interpersonal human dynamic within the just-opening lid of the civilizational Pandora’s Box. We have Marvin Harris to thank for this original and objective insight. The Michael Jordan of anthropology, and also the Larry Bird of anthropology in that he was the greatest trash talker (to rival anthropologists) of all-time. A man of pure Reason and exceptional divination.
I agree that we cannot get away from the maximum power principle. Systems will self-organize in a way that, in some sense, best utilizes the energy available. Some will go the individuals; some will go to governments and to religions and other forms of organization (such as laws and regulations).
The amount of organization and government depend on the amount of energy available to group. As the amount of energy available grows, population can grow and government can increase, at least in scope, if not in the level of services provided.
But once the amount of energy goes down, there is a need for simplification, or the economy cannot stay together.
I often ask, “What happens when a window is broken?” How will the system work, if there is no similar fancy window to replace it? Instead, whatever materials are locally available will be needed to cover the space where the window was previously.
A passivehaus is a fairly high complexity solution. The house will still need heat for cooking, electricity to operate a refrigerator, and the occupants will need transportation to jobs and to get food. Total energy consumption has been reduced somewhat, but it is still dependent on the world economy remaining in pretty much its current condition.
True and the likely hood of implementation during the downturn is less likely.
I think there’s a good chance of global solar minimum, perhaps even that dreaded coronal mass ejection. In that case there’s no point in doing anything but I’m not a Buddhist.
Not here to argue, but.
I rebuilt my farmhouse somewhat, the construction costs are through the roof! Air quality is generally an issue and requires a heat exchanger. Windows are a huge problem, very, very expensive to do right. Air-Air heatpumps are a problem when it is colder, they don’t work and to my way of thinking will require a great deal of maintenance, air to ground water are better, huge cost and more stuff to maintain.
A house such as this was built near me, MN, by some group as a demonstration, cost as I recall was $550K give or take and that did not include lot, water, etc. It was a small house.
Now, the RE taxes; it will require substantial land to pay the them, figure 2-3% return on the land on a good day; land has maintenance issues which requires diesel, the more land, the more diesel. Machinery to maintain is extra.
Simple way, a wood lot and a cook stove, but that does not solve the RE tax problem.
City house in a nice neighborhood is cheaper and Rochester plows the road.
Dennis L.
Dennis,
does that house has a water source or a forest close? No? Are you going to build an aqueduct or a new house? If you are two, you can carry a log, if you have some metal to forge a hatchet. With stone tools it gets hard. Then build a little 4x3m hut with a sod-roof and that is enough for a family. You can hear if the cattle is stolen in the night. No need to carry water and wood 15kms every day! And if you love wife and kids sleep altogether to keep warm!
Most houses and cities will not remain after BAU.
I am afraid you are right about, “Most houses and cities will not remain after BAU.”
The old way was that you cut a piece of glass to fit and then re glaze it. Pretty easy. Storm windows off in the spring on in the winter
Sam,
That would close the whole, most likely the windows in this house are triple glazed and low E, very expensive.This and other things are what make these houses work.
Dennis L
I can easily believe that working remotely has been a big saver of energy.
My impression is that a lot of older, non-working people are getting out less. That is saving energy, too.
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We share the medications with the fish
“Researchers took blood and tissue samples from 93 bonefish in Biscayne Bay and the Florida Keys since 2018, when the study started. They found each bonefish had an average of seven pharmaceuticals present, including blood pressure medications, antidepressants, prostate treatment medications, antibiotics and pain relievers, according to the release. One fish had a total of 17 different pharmaceuticals in its tissues.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/29/us/florida-fish-pharmaceutical-drugs-scn-trnd/index.html
Only eat freshwater fish living at elevation or from your farmpond.
Also marine life are ingesting massive amounts of micro-plastics. There are studies already available that are showing that those micro-plastics can now be found in humans as well.
At least with regard to antibiotics, much more are administered to livestock than people, so that’s probably the bigger problem on that specific item. Also in driving antibiotic resistant bugs.
Another reason to eat a diet low in meats. Perhaps our diets need to be not-too-high in fish either.
It becomes difficult to figure out what to eat. Milk and eggs come from animals as well. Vegan diets tend not to work very well; they tend to provide too few calories, among other things. We need to be eating some animal products as well as foods from the plant kingdom.
in general terms—we appear to have poisoned our own foodstock and supply chain
I am afraid you are right.
Huberman has a video on diet, guest promoting a book, “Brain Energy.” Of course I purchased it, one more for the piles.
I do believe the modern diet is killing us, making us fat; it does taste good however.
I am still on a basic Pritikin I think, haven’t changed it in forty or more years so it could have varied somewhat.
Dennis L.
“Another reason to eat a diet low in meats.”
Sorry Gail but that is a ridiculous non-sequitur. By the same token you should stop breathing because the air is polluted.
Humans are omnivores and our big brains require lots of meat (preferably organ meat) – or at least eggs.
So start raising some chickens and pigs. People in E. Europe were doing it behind the apartment buildings in empty lots much smaller than the typical US backyard.
I know that the cultural shift hasn’t happened yet but I bet in a generation that will be the standard setup for the survivors.
Exactly.
@ No Beer. Maybe, and maybe not.
I think people in urban or even semi-rural areas will be shocked to see the new 21st century version of The Little Red Hen unfold.
In the original story, the little red hen had decided to bake a cake and had asked her animal friends if they would contribute effort into helping her at every step. “Not I,” said Fritz the cat. “Not I,” said Roger the rabbit. “Not I Minnie the mouse, etc. Of course when the little red hen had finally baked the cake all by herself, everyone wanted a piece.
I suspect thieves and vagrants, as well as many lazy complacent, free loading neighbors will show up right at harvest time to steal everything you’ve got in the middle of the night.
And from a gardner’s tip blog:
“When burying a body, always plant endangered species flowers over them because they are illegal to dig up. Be sure to subscribe for more gardening tips.”
In the movie The Ballad of Narayama one family in the village was doing just that taking veg in the middle of the night. The village solution; dig a big hole and bury the whole offending family alive.
That was a poignant scene and I still remember it vividly, Ed. Movies are generally trash but there are always a few gems in non US productions.
What Ed refers actually happened in our part of Spain during the Civil War.
The husband was killed in the war, the family stole food, and one day they all disappeared, no one knew where.
Not that the police could be bothered to investigate.
Many caves and old wells in our mountains…….
Brain runs mostly on glucose, not protein, but a reversion to hard manual labor instead of sitting at a keyboard will indeed require a lot more calories from fats and protein from chickens, pigs, rabbits, pond fish etc. Agree that veggie gardens alone won’t cut it. But you will have to predator proof your chickens and pigs, and I’m not talking about the usual snakes, possums, racoons, weasels, coyotes, hawks or bears if you know what I mean.
Or on fat -> ketogenic diet.
Without eating liver it gets very hard to obtain the needed Vitamins without supplements. What about doing some calculations yourself?
My mother must have done the calculations, we had liver; it was considered a treat. My guess, we were poor, liver was cheap; it tastes ugh!
Dennis L.
Years ago, I ate a fair amount of liver. Our school served it regularly for lunch. Later, I ate chopped chicken liver at Jewish delicatessens in Chicago.
Now, with all of the chemicals in food, I worry about eating liver. I also don’t eat much meat, now.
Liver is chock full of a wide range of toxins. Best avoided altogether
https://sites.nicholas.duke.edu/superfundcec/fish/common-fish-contaminants-and-their-health-impacts/
What to do? Eat a little everything(except the super-toxic), fast regularly, avoid the quacks; and make every day count!
This doesn’t sound good. We don’t need pharmaceutical medications entering the food supply in this way.
Egon Von Greyerz is a financial and gold analyst and even he understands the energy predicament, including Wind and Solar.
ENERGY
Another major economic crisis for the world is the contracting energy system.
The world economy is driven by energy. Without sufficient energy the living standards would decline dramatically. Currently fossil fuels account for 83% of the world’s energy. The heavy dependence on fossil fuels is unlikely to change in the next few decades.
The scale shows billion tonnes of oil equivalent energy.
As the graph shows, the energy derived from fossil fuels has declined for the last few years. This trend will accelerate over the next 20+ years as the availability of fossil fuels decline and the cost increases. The economic cost of producing energy has gone up 5X since 1980.
What very few people realise is that the world’s prosperity does not improve with more debt but with more and cheaper energy.
But sadly as the graph above shows, energy production is going to decline for at least 20 years.
Less energy means lower prosperity for the world. And remember that this is in addition to a major decline in prosperity due to the implosion of the financial system and asset values.
The graph above shows that energy from fossil fuels will decline by 18% between 2021 and 2040. But although Wind & Solar will proportionally increase, it will in no way compensate for the fall in fossil fuels. For renewable energy to make up the difference, it would need to increase by 900% with an investment exceeding $100 trillion. This is highly unlikely since the production of Wind & Solar are heavily dependent on fossil fuels.
Another major problem is that there is no efficient method for storing Renewable energy.
Let’s just take the example of getting enough energy from batteries. The world’s largest battery factory is the Tesla Giga factory. The annual total output from this factory would produce 3 minutes of the annual US electricity demand. Even with 1,000 years of battery production, the batteries from this factory would produce only 2 days of US electricity demand.
So batteries will most probably not be a viable source of energy for decades especially since they need fossil fuels to be produced and charged.
Nuclear energy is the best available option today. But the time and cost of producing nuclear means that it will not be a viable alternative for decades. Also, many countries have stopped nuclear energy for political reasons. The graph above shows that nuclear and hydro will only increase very marginally in the next 20 years.
Of course the world wants to achieve cleaner and more efficient energy. But today we don’t have the means to produce this energy in quantity from anything but fossil fuels.
So stopping or reducing the production of fossil fuels, which is the desire of many politicians and climate activists, is guaranteed to substantially exacerbate the decline of the world economy.
We might get cleaner air but many would have to enjoy it in caves with little food or other necessities and conveniences that we have today.
So what is clear is that the world is not prepared for even the best scenario energy case which entails a major decline in the standard to living in the next 20-30 years at least.
https://kingworldnews.com/greyerz-there-is-a-financial-nuclear-event-on-the-horizon/
I am not sure that nuclear is really a solution either.
For one thing, it only gives us electricity. We need fossil fuels for many of their properties, including storability.
For another, it is not clear that uranium mining can be ramped up sufficiently. Uranium mining has been declining for several years.
The processing of uranium ore is mostly done in Russia, another potential problem.
We do not have a solution for the spent fuel, or for disposal of other nuclear waste.
People are afraid of nuclear.
Building a new nuclear plant takes several years and a huge amount of funding. “Utility” funding needs to be available, so future buyers can pay for the nuclear plants while it is still under construction. (This is happening near where I live, in the US state of Georgia.)
Most areas using wind and solar use “time of day” pricing, as part of the subsidy for wind and solar. (Wind and solar go first; even other provider needs to gear production to the remaining electricity needs.) Where this is done, it drives rates too low for nuclear.
Coal ain’t pretty, but in the end, we’ll be digging a lot more of it than we think.
I ❤ FF.
moar!
moar FF power to the people!
right on!
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If Russia and its friends win this, life will be like what we find in the books of Turgenev, Tolstoy or Chekhov. No social mobility, the nobles/landowners/shareholders living in unbelievable luxury, few tech innovation, no marriages out of class, etc. (Tolstoy did write about Prince Andrei Volkonsky marrying an untitled German girl, but also indicated, at the end of the book, that the product of the union would be killed in the Decembrist rebellion, out of the gene pool of the elites.)
An eternal life of stasis, often found in Asian dynasties where the only thing which changed , occasionally, was the surname of the Emperor who might come from a different race, with the same mandarins and same system virtually unchanged.
Like the US.
Wrong, visit us in the US Ed. I know so many successful people here! Not born with money but made their lives here!
vast FF resources in the USA have enabled so many of us Americans to become prosperous.
the FF did most of the work for us.
USA! USA! USA!
We had the willingness and the intelligence to use them mostly wisely; waste is always present. All the resources were here, they were unused, choice? I don’t have a clue.
Dennis L.
it isn’t possible to utilise fossil fuels without availability of iron
iron goods used to be cheap, now they are becoming unaffordable–if you cant afford the (iron) tools of use, then oil won’t get used and wages won’t get paid
if wages stop, then the economic system goes into meltdown.
A bit simplistic maybe–but that is the core of the problem
Okay, but I will bet they have good health, high intelligence and a work ethic. The latter is the only factor in our control. It is a challenge to choose one’s parents wisely.
Dennis L.
Are you all aware that an attempt is likely underway via project blue beam to further subvert the worlds population with tales of Alien invasion?
Just thought I would bring it up.
Was wondering… Didnt want to go “over the top”. We will see. It will take a devastating “alien” attack. On Iran maybe?
project blue beam?
why always in blue?
I don’t particularly like boring olde blue.
can’t it be purple or maybe fuchsia?
“project” and “beam” sound cool.
Best guess at this point that it’s just a literary homage to project blue beam, for titillation purposes. I wonder if they have improved the stability of their glitchy 3D daylight projectors that they used for the 9/11 planes. They will also need to greatly improve the throw of their projections; those alien ships hovering over cities in Independence Day were huge lol.
” planes were flown into buildings on 9/11.”?
Modeled?
” . . . videos not fake, but somethings about the planes were fake . . . “?
https://www.richplanet.net/richp_genre.php?ref=291&part=1&gen=3
Thanks, Rich really does do a great job.Nice to see his corroboration. At the beginning he also alluded to covert tech (what I take to mean a DEW) being used on the towers.
cro
i sometimes read your comments, and prefer to believe that you are trying to wind everybody up
Your confusing me with a New Zealander I think.
I am merely a forward observer trying to keep the wind in my face, my eyes on the evidence and my soul clean of demonic influence.
If it helps any, I don’t think there are any Aliens, the reality is far more disturbing.
I was sceptical until I saw something and then read “Unconventional Flying Objects” by Paull Hill.
Roadside alert sign reads “PA DHS Advisory.. Avoid Contact, Do Not Shoot at the Visitors.”
Funny. Part of the reason that I say it’s an homage is because a car-sized alien craft would manned and wouldn’t get brought down by a missile because it could outrun the missile like the missile was standing still. So for it to be the beginning of a fake alien invasion would make it the worst scriptwriting ever. Way worse than commercial planes disappearing into buildings. Or am I STILL giving Joe Sixpack too much credit?
o ye of little faith
of course people can travel 100 light years to earth–then just get shot down
Now you’re talking norm. 🙂
I’d highly recommend Hill’s book to you in particular. The introduction is a standalone treatise on how to think, and the rest of the book is a Socratic -type application of intelligent patterning. His whole purpose of the book is to explain how the obvious presence and consistency of observed and recorded activity of UFOs break no knows laws of physics. By process of elimination he whittles down the powerplant to a likeliest technology (positron-electron annihilation) and the earth atmosphere propulsion drive to just one possibility that’s consistent with observations (antigravity forcefield with a nested ‘cancelling’ field inside the craft for the occupants such that they and the craft don’t experience the ridiculous Gs being pulled.)
It stands to reason to me that the simplest explanation for the the non-public DEW weaponry is repurposed alien tech from crash vehicles reprocessed at area 49 or wherever.
If Cromagnon has a different view of the state of play relating to the specifics of this comment I’m all ears.
I dont think there is a winner.
Russia is fighting NATOs best army unless you count Turkey and Turkey is basically a pretend NATO member. Ukraine was a very good NATO army indeed but a lot of them are dead. That leaves 300k Polish troops 100k USA troops 50k Romanian troops and some spare change.
No one is coming in. Not on article 5. Not on article 4.
What would be considered winning for Russia? Lets say its killing or capturing all AFU personnel and the poles and the foreign combatants east of the Dnieper taking Odessa. That still leaves western Ukraine to have nuclear weapons deployed on its soil not in NATO but with defensive agreements with UK and USA. A DMZ on Russias border no matter what. Except Russia has said nyet to a mexico run by banderites with nukes.
A arms race the likes we have never seen at a time of unparalleled hostilities between the USA and Russia.
What would be considered winning for Ukraine? Lets say taking Crimea and the four oblasts now considered by Russia to be Russia. Under Russian Nuclear doctrine that would constitute grounds for a nuclear first strike.
The economic war between the USA and Russia will continue. Russia betting on ending the dollar as a reserve currency and USA collapsing under its debt. USA betting on isolating Russia so it can not bring its energy to markets. These are the rosy winning scenarios both of which will not happen.
Russia will launch nuclear weapons under its existential threat policy before it allows itself to be strangled. The USA? Probably the same.
If all of Ukraine is taken Russia is over extended and bogged down. Even occupying to the Dnieper is a burden. It doesnt want anything west of the dnieper. But if it takes all Ukraine Poland becomes the new ukraine with any and all weapons the USA will give it. Poland is eager for this power. Nuclear armed Mexico run by banderites.
A arms race the likes we have never seen at a time of unparalleled hostilities between the USA and Russia. No arms control. No communication and both parties expecting a strategic nuclear exchange. That is the environment we are entering. The chances that a mistake will be made is a near certainty.
We have not even entered the oil price cap insurance policy just yet. I see the denying insurance as a set up. Denying insurance why whats going to happen to Russian oil transport? And if a Russian tanker has a mysterious fate? IMO game on. Yes destroying Russia bringing oil to market is a existential threat. They dont have to prove nada. They have a act of war with Nordstream right now.
At a certain point one of the parties just decides its going to happen. There is zero communication trust or negotiation occurring.
Whatever happens in Ukraine the Arms race with no control starts. IMO we wont make it five years before it goes hot because someone gets ancy.
Lets just say a miracle happens. We get a USA president in that backs off in Ukraine. Im not sure thats even possible. Iran becomes a nuclear power very very very soon. Israel will strike with USA full participation.
Oh and that silly balloon wielding country? When it comes to a head everything the USA needs ceases. All medicine. All spare parts for industry. All spare parts for agriculture. They dont need to bomb our infrastructure its in their country. Talk about 90s post soviet conditions.
Hubbs is spot on. The USA is a tool of the globalists. They will use it just like the USA is using Ukraine. SPOT ON
Winning for the USA is looking after its own interests joining BRICS participating in a new currency system defaulting on its debt and competing globally with productivity. Im chewing peyote you say? I agree. Winning for Europe is pulling a it was the best of times it was the worst of times and getting Russian energy back on line. Thats almost probable except the nuclear weapons in their countries pose a threat.
All of Europe is a Ukraine. The USA is a Ukraine. Russia is a Ukraine. Only with power tools not flint and stone. Too bad. So Sad.
Winning. What F****** winning? What is this winning of which you speak Kulm?
Arms race? between who and who? Nobody in USA and Europe are ramping up weapon production. The only country in the Western Bloc which produces weapon now is South Korea.
The situation is similar to Napoleon after the battle of Dresden., which he did win. Then there were four smaller battle fought by his subordinates, all of them defeats.
Then the huge battle of Leipzig, and less than 6 months after that, the First French Empire was no more.
” The only country in the Western Bloc which produces weapon now is South Korea.”
Post a resume reflecting technical manufacturing skills and a security clearance available for work in North Virginia. Salary requirements $150k. You will have a dozen interview offers first day.
What do you think they are manufacturing? Ramen noodles?
Your knowledge of history is impressive.
I knew this guy a long time ago. All he did was bitch about affirmative action. Why didnt he have this or that? Affirmitive action. All their fault. Every aspect of HIS life. Drunk every night. As you communicate your victim status you remind me of him. Do you understand why I respond to your posts? Your unhappiness and your dysfunction causes me pain. It couldnt do that if it didnt resonate. The type of pain brings back memories of that guy I knew so long ago. Why your pain resonates with me is something that is worthy of contemplation.
I used to have this joke. Im sure I was born a rich playboy but a mistake was made at the hospital and babies got switched. But it was a joke. Humour. Of course humor often has a bit of pain behind it but its a somewhat healthy way to express pain IMO.
All our lives pass by. In that regard I am the exact same as you. The difference is because I think we are misanthropes and you think you are a victim.
Misanthropes need love too.
Russia has now taken 5 former Ukraine oblasts and made them permanent parts of the Russian Federation.
there is no going back.
the score is Russia 5 and Ukraine 0.
and it’s still early in the game.
Russia is clearly winning big.
Nuclear war . . . whatever. F– all I can do about it with the crazies in charge and zombies everywhere. Eat bugs, own nothing, change your gender, get another booster.
BUT . . . the good news it’s STILL BAU party time baby! Take your V8 out and lay down some rubber while you still can.
yaaaaaaay!!
keep every new day in proper perspective.
I guess Russian war goals are already met. Russia for sure has the aim to control the Black Sea as the one and only route to world markets. There is a huge military base on Crimea. It is also necessary to keep friendship with Turkey, who controls the Bosporus.
Russia is selling arms and acts as a protecting power of smaller states, look to Syria, perhaps Venezuela. They also have to demonstrate security to keep the union together.
No reason to think of any extentension of the Russian sphere, except via the BRICSS.
The EU has used a strategy of cutting the salami and eating bit by bit: the Eastern European countries, Aserbajdjan and Georgia are in the pipeline. NATO is providing substancial military help. Russia has to end this. This is the only possibility where Russia could make a threat to Berlin or Paris, to end being eaten at their borders.
The fall of the Dollar is a homemade thing. Payments promised for the future cannot be fulfilled with a declining economy due to decreasing energy. It is sensible to prepare independence for the foreseeable financial struggles, like the BRICSS try.
Markets in Russia are undersupplied. I don’t know if that is a resource or a production problem. I guess foreign trade is not crucial.
The US has relied on energetic autonomy by fracking. Fracking is more or less over. They need to give the Saudis something in exchange for their oil. Armament might be a factor. Called ‘to develop a market’.
People cannot pay for something they cannot afford. Neither medication nor digital services. The later at least bears the possibility of more efficiency to help productivity. The productivity thing though only makes sense in growing economies, we are ahead of a structural decline, though. All the big hypes of the last years, data mining, pharma, digital services, armaments, are not suited to solve the problems coming with less oil. They don’t make sense!
What might be interesting is digital money to devaluate the currency according to the current shrinkage and to treat the money to live from differently than luxury or investment excess. But that is a quite complex technology and not welcome in Europe.
The point is: I don’t see any actions preparing for the necessities of a foreseeable future. A larger war might cover the decline of the Dollar but also destroy lots of assets. Nothing makes sense. It is the struggling of a civilisation at the end of their lifetime. Plus some fanatists reenacting parts of religious texts to feel valuable.
I guess the global economy matrix has peaked in absolute terms, not only relative – with relative being energy per capita (climax USA 1950s-1960s), and absolute being the absolute economic output and raw material mining output globally.
In the excellent book “Blip: Humanity’s 300 year self-terminating experiment with industrialism” – which bundles all geological data available in the US to a panoptic view of our resource situation globally – many types of mineral production were still rising in absolute terms.
Seems however that since 2018, the absolute climax has been passed. Somewhere recently I read global sales of smart phones have receded by a double digit percentage…-
I think politicians will not want to admit to such things, rather blame everything on “temporary problems” and frame everything as purely political – not physical – issues.
I must admit I expected to see the EU economy crash much faster in spring 2022 than it turned out – not that the direction of my expectations was really wrong, but it seems that actual outcomes were different from my assumption because: 1) mineral resources are still traded circumventing “sanctions”, just to a higher price, therefore killing the EU economy but slowly 2) I read somewhere that EU countries are releasing their strategic oil reserves currently, which is delaying economic consequences.
So it seems; I am enormously curious about winter 2023 and what we will do with in Spring 2024.
The EU has (almost) no resources left and production is seemingly slowly but steadily leaving for the US and China.
The US is still a major industrial player in the world market, however they don’t seem to have the broad capacities in heavy industry, machine production and robotics as China and Russia combined do.
One possible outcome of the situation for us in the EU is that after a loss in Ukraine and a strategic retreat of US military power, the EU might become a colony of China at the whim of the one belt one road initiative.
We will see, but until that happens, the US services will try to disturbe any such projects so as they can.
BTW: greetings fellow Austrian (I think?).
You may know me from the ecosophia forum.
Servus und hallo! Never been to ecosophia, seems interesting, thanks!
Yes, 2018 does look like the peak year. It is difficult to forecast precisely how the world economy will tend downward. I, too, have been surprised at how well the European economy seems to be doing recently.
Curt
Welcome and good analysis except that new Chinese colonialism of Europe would require imperial Chinese energy growth, which structurally ain’t gonna happen given your correct analysis WRT the year 2018, so if I were you I would reframe the language surrounding your prediction for China-EU relations.
> Fracking is more or less over.
We have at least a decade of fracking left unless we fall apart for other reasons. This should be clear by looking at production levels from the various formations and how long each formation takes to deplete.
There are a lot of inputs into fracking that could make it non viable sooner than 10 years.
For example you need tons and tons of special sand and miles of steel pipe. The resources needed are not trivial.
That is a good point.
Nevermind systems theory ivan just keep chasing your livestock injectables career and we all thank you for that service
I have been criticizing the old British policy of ‘balance of power’, which probably cost Europe the chance to reach the new level of civilization.
United Kingdom, more than any other country in the world, was responsible for killing Europeans. Its own accomplishments, whether some diehard British nationalists, who are too cowardish to put a bullet to the head of Gina Miller who was more responsible for messing up the Brexit than anyone else, like or not, were not enough to make up the damages it did to the continent.
It was Bernard Law Montgomery who said don’t invade Russia. When Churchill had every intention to do so if he could.
Sorry, for the good of human civilization, it would have been better to recognize Chechnya in 1994 and bring the total breakup of the Russian Federation. It might have been the final chance for advancing to the next level of civilization.
If Russia wins this, the world will become like 1990s Russia and will be stuck there.
“If Russia wins this, the world will become like 1990s Russia and will be stuck there.”
That is pretty far fetched. There is not enough inexpensive energy for such an outcome.
Lol. “Worse than 1990’s Russia.” What a thought! Super-fent it is.
Nah, if Russia wins this, more of the world will become “third world” e.g. much of the collective West, some parts will do BAU party time a bit longer.
If I was younger I’d already be on my way to Russia. Too old to migrate again, kids here etc.
How old is too old to migrate?
I have been criticizing the old British policy of ‘balance of power’, which probably cost Europe the chance to reach the new level of civilization.
A new level of civilisation? Like what? Space colonies?
WW1+2 is said to have been triggered to break up the old-fashioned structures of the Empires and start modern industrialisation and finance. New research shows that probably five people were finally responsible to start WW1 (protocols of the Austrian Ministerrat). If you are looking for any potentially ‘religious’ motive – as a lot is not convincing – it might be interesting to know that Churchill was a follower of Aleistir Crowley.
As for me I don’t see any military or political cause for the bombing of Dresden, a threat that was often described as fire hell. To me it seems mainly symbolic, as does the eating of bugs and grasshoppers. Some people seem to have too much money and leasure time and too little self-esteem.
The situation now bears some parallels. If a NATO country would be hit, the mutual aid pacts would be carried into effect. Who does such a thing after WW1?
I don’t believe for a moment the conventional view of history that it all depends on the decisions of a few individuals.
Energy creates the history. If there are energy shortages, then a war will tend to manifest based on some excuse or other.
If resources are short within a country then often some of the people will be killed because they are witches or have the wrong religion or something. The reasons don’t matter, reducing the numbers matters.
You think WW1+2 were mainly for population reduction? Interesting thought!
For sure people wanted to administer their resources themselves.
You think WW1+2 were mainly for population reduction? Interesting thought!
I didn’t say that. I believe the Great Powers were none of them averse to a war and the high populations relative to resources at the time was one of the things creating the conditions for the war. Europe was said to be a ‘tinderbox’ at the time.
In 1914 guano fertiliser production had been in decline for decades and the new Haber-Bosch process was in its very early days.
I know from people in Tyrol tha they could hardly feed their people and that there were huge fights about little spaces for growing grass for the rabbits or eventually start a garden. Though, people say, it also had to do with the distribution of wealth. I the cities were hords of workless people with no food.
All this is not reflected in the protocols, though.
I know from people in Tyrol tha they could hardly feed their people and that there were huge fights about little spaces for growing grass for the rabbits or eventually start a garden.
In 1914 the British army found that it had to reject a lot of recruits because they were so weakened and deformed by malnutrition.
On the Titanic the third class passengers had to be quarantined away from the rest because of possible infectious disease and parasites like lice.
That was reality in Europe just a century ago.
Yummy!! you learn something every day …
“US funded fortified rice shipments begin arriving at Colombo Port
“Feb 10, 2023 · An initial shipment of 600 metric tons of fortified rice funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) arrived in Sri Lanka last week to support the Government of Sri Lanka’s national school meal program. The shipment is part of a larger food assistance initiative by USAID and WFP that includes 3,950 metric tons of fortified rice …”
lk.usembassy.gov/us-funded-fortified-rice-shipments-begin-arriving-at-colombo-port/
for the cognoscente, fortification is the milling of broken rice and the to the flour a premix of vitamins and minerals, usually iron, folic acid and other B-complex vitamins, vitamin A and zinc. Add water and the dough is rolled and processed to produce pellets, shaped as rice grains and dried. Like maccaroni, I suppose.
I wonder if they have it in their turtle soup?
Not to forget some bugs! EU has granted to enrich bread, chocolate, milkpowder, ready made meals, sweets and snackers with milled insects, big topic in my bubble. Why would anyone do that?
I am astonished about the heat of the discussion about eating insects – as far as I know, breeding insects for consumption simply isn’t economical in temperate countries, esp in winter time.
Where does that discussion come from, and why is it so big on the main screens…?
The EU allows genetic modified bugmeal in flour preparations for bread, cookies and cakes, in sausages, meat, beer, sweets and chocolates, sauce and soup basics, ready made meals, meals with beans, milkproducts, milkpower (babyfood?), beaverages and nuts. There is probably no nutritional value for that but it means most people will come in contact with shredded genetically modified bugs because most of these products dont need to be declarated to the end customer – if you buy fresh bread, for example, or a sausage or some meal in a restaurant.
To eat bugs is forbidden in the old testament (also pork), it makes ‘impure’, different groups discuss if only for Jews, Muslims or also Christians. I am sure the main aim is symbolic.
How could 2% bug meal in a soup cube or in spices be of any nutritional or even environmental benefit?
The EU sees the potential of crossallergic reactions of people allergic to mite, there are quite a lot of people concerned.
In my environment people are stopping to buy Milka, Kinder, Ferrero, Nestle, Mars, Coke, Ehrmann, Müller’s as they are all believed to contain bugs already. I guess they will face a 20% reduction in sales and a reduced brand confidence.
Thanks Jan I had no idea. You have any info on the European bugmeal supply chain?
Satanic and symbolic: forcing us to eat – unwittingly as you say – unclean things.
The abolition of strong cultural and religious taboos.
Submission, humiliation and poisoning through allergy-provoking substances.
I am astonished that you are astonished.
Your reaction is like saying “I would be okay with laws permitting pedophilia as long as its practice doesn’t become ubiquitous”.
One person unwittingly eating bugs is one person too many. Disgusting. You, I mean.
little ivan
Curt expressed his surprise and then asked a question. Your analogy is pathetic.
When I need a nutjob’s opinion on something, I’ll ask you, but until then, buzz off.
The EU bugs are going to be imported from Vietnam, I believe.
Cuz Hypers can’t be without eating dead animals. Eating plant based is more taboo than insects it seems.
TEH HYPARS WANTZORS MAET.
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Ah well, back to the grind.
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Fortified rice is a genetically modified variety of rice known as ‘golden rice’ which contains vitamin A, unlike normal rice.
Don’t do YT, but the research appears to suggest the input is a product more like grinder dust, a means of recycling waste and at the same time virtue signalling
A twofer !!
It’s Golden Rice they are talking about, not some product manufactured from broken rice.
any link other than YT?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2682994/
thx.
I can see your Golden rice is referred to as ‘biofortified’ but nothing in the 2009 research indicates that Golden rice is what’s being supplied to Sri Lanka
MbZ – The new horseface???
“Sheikh Mohammed approves design of new air taxi stations in Dubai at World Government Summit
“Sheikh Mohammed also said, “From the World Government Summit, we approved today the design of the new air taxi stations in Dubai, which will start operating within 3 years.”
gulftoday.ae/news/2023/02/12/sheikh-mohammed-approves-design-of-new-air-taxi-stations-in-dubai-at-world-government-summit
World govt summit???
” … at the World Government Summit (WGS) 2023, which is set to start in Dubai on Monday under the theme of “Shaping Future Governments.”
“This year, the WGS brings together 20 heads of state, more than 250 ministers, more than 10,000 government officials, thinkers, global experts, and over 80 international organisations.
“…Since its inception (ten yrs), the summit has focused on forming a new system of international partnerships based on inspiring and shaping future governments.”
gulftoday.ae/news/2023/02/12/uae-president-and-vp-welcome-participants-at-wgs-2023
The Munich Security Conference locates the Ukrainian conflict as a revision of the liberal world order after WW2 and an attempt of Russia, China and amoung others the African states to establish autocratic principles.
“With its brutal and unprovoked invasion of a sovereign state, Moscow has also mounted an attack against the foundational principles of the post–World War II order. The attempt by an authoritarian power to eliminate a democracy as a sovereign nation-state is not the only sign, however, that autocratic revisionism is intensifying. China’s tacit support for Russia’s war, its military posturing to assert its own sphere of influence in East Asia, and its comprehensive efforts to promote an autocratic alternative to the liberal, rules-based international order epitomize the broader autocratic challenge.”
https://securityconference.org/en/publications/munich-security-report-2023/executive-summary/
That establishes the narration that the Western liberal-democracies have to defend their ethically superior model of society – which reflects the deteriorating influence of the USA. It neglects that democratic and constitutional principles deteriorate in the West, which is programmatic and backed by several theories and not only occasional (Twitter, erosion of Human rights, unconstitutional C-measures, WEF programs, WHO pandemic contract, mandates, irregular vaccination acquisition in the EU) and is not caused by Russia or China.
To me the increasing authoritarian tendencies worldwide reflect decreasing energy provision and economic slowdown that breaks up social coherence and creates dissatisfaction. As hot wars require huge amounts of energy that are missing elsewhere, they might cover dissatisfaction and strengthen central powers but do not contribute to everyday solutions for the average citizen. It might legitimise central steering and state investments into energy provision but it does not create wealth that could be distributed. A new pandemic allowed pretty much something like a war economy without the energetic needs of a hot war. But – as the report insinuates – a lot of energy resources are currently in the hand of autocratic regimes. Which means nothing less that they are not in Western hands. At the end all talk up may be only a justification for banal resource wars.
If we think of that, a hot war would center around the main resources, that is Caspian Sea (to which the Black Sea enables access), Middle East and Arabia. As the autocratic regimes have resources that helps them to win a war and the liberal defenders have not, it seems the only solution to destroy the energy production of the regimes also. Which might be the next thing we will see.
Sorry, this was meant to be an own post, on my device, when I am on the fly, it does not show that so precisely!
The PR Team is busy convincing the rabble that it’s a George Jetson future… they’ve been doing that since they launched The Jetsons Tee Vee show and faked the moon thing
https://www.internationalairportreview.com/news/176156/worlds-first-hub-for-flying-taxis-opens-in-uk/
norm – do you mind checking to see if the above actually exists? photos please
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/flying-taxis-take-uk-skies-23392262
It is now two years after the 2021 forecast that flying taxis were forecast for the UK in two years.
It’s all bullshit
Step 2: roll out the robo-taxi software – Musk suggested Tesla would roll out the robo-taxi service software before it can remove the driver from the equation. That would mean human drivers watching over the car initially, and Tesla removing the person at a later date. This would set it up as a more direct competitor to Uber. In an exchange during the call with Loup Ventures analyst Gene Munster, Musk suggested this was a goal for the first half of 2021:
https://www.inverse.com/innovation/tesla-robo-taxi-elon-musk-gives-updated-timeline
But the MOREONS believe it .. cuz Huff said.. right norm?
150cm circumference? Thats petite.
My one NZ girlfriend was a fox. oohlala that accent Yikes
No plough but she taught Nepali kids well.
Hillbillies consider commonwealth accents exotic
You getting out of dodge?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMvE0yFnR0I
Out of dodge — into dodgy — Canada Trudunce
So I found out today a neighbor who was vaxxed and boosted recently suffered a stroke. I remember telling him, I would not put that crap in my body and he just ignored the warning. Oh well 🤓
The booster girls will adore him when the Pfizer parties gain popularity.
Hilarious… you should contact Saturday Night Live and see if they want to use this for one of their skits!
They could invent a new character — instead of the Church Lady — they could have the RE Tard ed MORE-ON Neighbour!
This just demonstrates the stooopidity of doctors
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/why-there-isnt-going-to-be-a-covid
I can recall asking when I was a kid why there was no cure or vaccine for colds and flu.. and being told they mutate so quickly that you are always behind the curve
If I knew that doctors surely know that
Yet they recommend the flu and now covid vaccines
They are mentally ill and dangerous — they are nothing more than pill pushers for Farma… I suspect the way it works is Google search is applied to a massive dbase of drugs and treatments on the CDC website … they plug into search terms … up pops a few options … never anything that does not involve a product from Farma … might even be an image search option so they can plug in an image (e.g. when norm has festering on his dongle from SSS interactions) — and it matches it with the disease and the treatment.
F789ing losers. No wonder they have massive insurance protecting them from malpractice law suits.
Nurses are nice to stitch you up set bones and scrub off necrotic tissue in the burn ward.