When the Economy Gets Squeezed by Too Little Energy

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Most people have a simple, but wrong, idea about how the world economy will respond to “not enough energy to go around.” They expect that oil prices will rise. With these higher prices, producers will be able to extract more fossil fuels so the system can go on as before. They also believe that wind turbines, solar panels and other so-called renewables can be made with these fossil fuels, perhaps extending the life of the system further.

The insight people tend to miss is the fact that the world’s economy is a physics-based, self-organizing system. Such economies grow for many years, but ultimately, they collapse. The underlying problem is that the population tends to grow too rapidly relative to the energy supplies necessary to support that population. History shows that such collapses take place over a period of years. The question becomes: What happens to an economy beginning its path toward full collapse?

One of the major uses for fossil fuel energy is to add complexity to the system. For example, roads, electricity transmission lines, and long-distance trade are forms of complexity that can be added to the economy using fossil fuels.

Figure 1. Chart by author pointing out that energy consumption and complexity are complementary. They operate in different directions. Complexity, itself, requires energy consumption, but its energy consumption is difficult to measure.

When energy per capita falls, it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain the complexity that has been put in place. It becomes too expensive to properly maintain roads, electrical services become increasingly intermittent, and trade is reduced. Long waits for replacement parts become common. These little problems build on one another to become bigger problems. Eventually, major parts of the world’s economy start failing completely.

When people forecast ever-rising energy prices, they miss the fact that market fossil fuel prices consider both oil producers and consumers. From the producer’s point of view, the price for oil needs to be high enough that new oil fields can be profitably developed. From the consumer’s point of view, the price of oil needs to be sufficiently low that food and other goods manufactured using oil products are affordable. In practice, oil prices tend to rise and fall, and rise again. On average, they don’t satisfy either the oil producers or the consumers. This dynamic tends to push the economy downward.

There are many other changes, as well, as fossil fuel energy per capita falls. Without enough energy products to go around, conflict tends to rise. Economic growth slows and turns to economic contraction, creating huge strains for the financial system. In this post, I will try to explain a few of the issues involved.

[1] What is complexity?

Complexity is anything that gives structure or organization to the overall economic system. It includes any form of government or laws. The educational system is part of complexity. International trade is part of complexity. The financial system, with its money and debt, is part of complexity. The electrical system, with all its transmission needs, is part of complexity. Roads, railroads, and pipelines are part of complexity. The internet system and cloud storage are part of complexity.

Wind turbines and solar panels are only possible because of complexity and the availability of fossil fuels. Storage systems for electricity, food, and fossil fuels are all part of complexity.

With all this complexity, plus the energy needed to support the complexity, the economy is structured in a very different way than it would be without fossil fuels. For example, without fossil fuels, a high percentage of workers would make a living by performing subsistence agriculture. Complexity, together with fossil fuels, allows the wide range of occupations that are available today.

[2] The big danger, as energy consumption per capita falls, is that the economy will start losing complexity. In fact, there is some evidence that loss of complexity has already begun.

In my most recent post, I mentioned that Professor Joseph Tainter, author of the book, The Collapse of Complex Societies, says that when energy supplies are inadequate, the resulting economic system will need to simplify–in other words, lose some of its complexity. In fact, we can see that such loss of complexity started happening as early as the Great Recession in 2008-2009.

The world was on a fossil fuel energy consumption per capita plateau between 2007 and 2019. It now seems to be in danger of falling below this level. It fell in 2020, and only partially rebounded in 2021. When it tried to rebound further in 2022, it hit high price limits, reducing demand.

Figure 2. Fossil fuel energy consumption per capita based on data of BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy.

There was a big dip in energy consumption per capita in 2008-2009 when the economy encountered the Great Recession. If we compare Figure 2 and Figure 3, we see that the big drop in energy consumption is matched by a big drop in trade as a percentage of GDP. In fact, the drop in trade after the 2008-2009 recession never rebounded to the former level.

Figure 3. Trade as a percentage of world GDP, based on data of the World Bank.

Another type of loss of complexity involves the drop in the recent number of college students. The number of students was rising rapidly between 1950 and 2010, so the downward trend represents a significant shift.

Figure 4. Total number of US full-time and part-time undergraduate college and university students, according to the National Center for Education Statistics.

The shutdowns of 2020 added further shifts toward less complexity. Broken supply lines became more of a problem. Empty shelves in stores became common, as did long waits for newly ordered appliances and replacement parts for cars. People stopped buying as many fancy clothes. Brick and mortar stores did less well financially. In person conferences became less popular.

We know that, in the past, economies that collapsed lost complexity. In some cases, tax revenue fell too low for governments to maintain their programs. Citizens became terribly unhappy with the poor level of government services being provided, and they overthrew the governmental system.

The US Department of Energy states that it will be necessary to double or triple the size of the US electric grid to accommodate the proposed level of clean energy, including EVs, by 2050. This is, of course, a kind of complexity. If we are already having difficulty with maintaining complexity, how do we expect to double or triple the size of the US electric grid? The rest of the world would likely need such an upgrade, as well. A huge increase in fossil fuel energy, as well as complexity, would be required.

[3] The world’s economy is a physics-based system, called a dissipative structure.

Energy products of the right kinds are needed to make goods and services. With shrinking per capita energy, there will likely not be enough goods and services produced to maintain consumption at the level citizens are used to. Without enough goods and services to go around, conflict tends to grow.

Instead of growing and experiencing economies of scale, businesses will find that they need to shrink back. This makes it difficult to repay debt with interest, among other things. Governments will likely need to cut back on programs. Some governmental organizations may fail completely.

To a significant extent, how these changes happen is related to the maximum power principle, postulated by ecologist Howard T. Odum. Even when some inputs are inadequate, self-organizing ecosystems try to maintain themselves, as best possible, with the reduced supplies. Odum said, “During self-organization, system designs develop and prevail that maximize power intake, energy transformation, and those uses that reinforce production and efficiency.” As I see the situation, the self-organizing economy tends to favor the parts of the economy that can best handle the energy shortfall that will be taking place.

In Sections [4], [5], and [6], we will see that this methodology seems to lead to a situation in which competition leads to different parts of the economy (energy producers and energy consumers) being alternately disadvantaged. This approach leads to a situation in which the human population declines more slowly than in either of the other possible outcomes:

  • Energy producers win, and high energy prices prevail – The real outcome would be that high prices for food and heat for homes would quickly kill off much of the world’s population because of lack of affordability.
  • Energy consumers always win, and low energy prices prevail – The real outcome would be that energy supplies would fall very rapidly because of inadequate prices. Population would fall quickly because of a lack of energy supplies (particularly diesel fuel) needed to maintain food supplies.

[4] Prices: Competition between producers and customers will lead to fossil fuel energy prices that alternately rise and fall as extraction limits are hit. In time, this pattern can be expected to lead to falling fossil fuel energy production.

Energy prices are set through competition between:

[a] The prices that consumers can afford to pay for end products whose costs are indirectly determined by fossil fuel prices. Food, transportation, and home heating costs are especially fossil fuel price sensitive. Poor people are the most quickly affected by rising fossil fuel prices.

[b] The prices that producers require to profitably produce these fuels. These prices have been rising rapidly because the easy-to-extract portions were removed earlier. For example, the Wall Street Journal is reporting, “Frackers Increase Spending but See Limited Gains.”

If fossil fuel prices rise, the indirect result is inflation in the cost of many goods and services. Consumers become unhappy when inflation affects their lifestyles. They may demand that politicians put price caps in place to somehow stop this inflation. They may encourage politicians to find ways to subsidize costs, so that the higher costs are transferred to a different part of the economy. At the same time, the producers need the high prices, to be able to fund the greater reinvestment necessary to maintain, and even raise, future fossil fuel energy production.

The conflict between the high price producers need and the low prices that many consumers can afford is what leads to temporarily spiking energy prices. In fact, food prices tend to spike, too, since food is a kind of energy product for humans, and fossil fuel energy products (oil, especially) are used in growing and transporting the food products. In their book, Secular Cycles, researchers Peter Turchin and Sergey Nefedov report a pattern of spiking prices in their analysis of historical economies that eventually collapsed.

With oil prices spiking only temporarily, energy prices are, on average, too low for fossil fuel producers to afford adequate funds for reinvestment. Without adequate funds for reinvestment, production begins to fall. This is especially a problem as fields deplete, and funds needed for reinvestment rise to very high levels.

[5] Demand for Discretionary Goods and Services: Indirectly, demand for goods and services, especially in discretionary sectors of the economy, will also tend to get squeezed back by the rounds of inflation caused by spiking energy prices described in Item [4].

When customers are faced with higher prices because of spiking inflation rates, they will tend to reduce spending on discretionary items. For example, they will go out to eat less and spend less money at hair salons. They may travel less on vacation. Multiple generation families may move in together to save money. People will continue to buy food and beverages since these are essential.

Businesses in discretionary areas of the economy will be affected by this lower demand. They will buy fewer raw materials, including energy products, reducing the overall demand for energy products, and tending to pull energy prices down. These businesses may need to lay off workers and/or default on their debt. Laying off workers may further reduce demand for goods and services, pushing the economy toward recession, debt defaults, and thus lower energy prices.

We find that in some historical accounts of collapses, demand ultimately falls to close to zero. For example, see Revelation 18:11-13 regarding the fall of Babylon, and the lack of demand for goods, including the energy product of the day: slaves.

[6] Higher Interest Rates: Banks will respond to rounds of inflation described in Item [4] by demanding higher interest rates to offset the loss of buying power and the greater likelihood of default. These higher interest rates will have adverse impacts of their own on the economy.

If inflation becomes a problem, banks will want higher interest rates to try to offset the adverse impact of inflation on buying power. These higher interest rates will tend to reduce demand for goods that are often bought with debt, such as homes, cars, and new factories. As a result, the sale prices of these assets are likely to fall. Higher interest rates will tend to produce the same effect for many types of assets, including stocks and bonds. To make matters worse, defaults on loans may also rise, leading to write-offs for the organizations carrying these loans on their balance sheets. For example, the used car dealer Caravan is reported to be near bankruptcy because of issues related to falling used car prices, higher interest rates, and higher default rates on debt.

An even more serious problem with higher interest rates is the harm they do to the balance sheets of banks, insurance companies, and pension funds. If bonds were previously purchased at a lower interest rate, the value of the bonds is less at a higher interest rate. Accounting for these organizations can temporarily hide the problem if interest rates quickly revert to the lower level at which they were purchased. The real problem occurs if inflation is persistent, as it seems to be now, or if interest rates keep rising.

[7] A second major conflict (after the buyer/producer conflict in Item [4], [5], and [6]) is the conflict in how the output of goods and services should be split between returns to complexity and returns to basic production of necessary goods including food, water, and mineral resources such as fossil fuels, iron, nickel, copper, and lithium.

Growing complexity in many forms is something that we have come to value. For example, physicians now earn high wages in the US. People in top management positions in companies often earn very high wages. The top people in large companies that buy food from farmers earn high wages, but farmers producing cattle or growing crops don’t fare nearly as well.

As energy supply becomes more constrained, the huge chunks of output taken by those with advanced degrees and high positions within the large companies gets to be increasingly problematic. The high incomes of citizens in major cities contrasts with the low incomes in rural areas. Resentment among people living in rural areas grows when they compare themselves to how well people in urbanized areas are doing. People in rural areas talk about wanting to secede from the US and wanting to form their own country.

There are also differences among countries in how well their economies get rewarded for the goods and services they produce. The United States, the EU, and Japan have been able to get better rewards for the complex goods that they produce (such as banking services, high-tech medicine, and high-tech agricultural products) compared to Russia and the oil exporting countries of the Middle East. This is another source of conflict.

Comparing countries in terms of per capita GDP on a Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) basis, we find that the countries that focus on complexity have significantly higher PPP GDP per capita than the other areas listed. This creates resentment among countries with lower per-capita PPP GDP.

Figure 5. Average Purchasing Power Parity GDP Per Capita in 2021, in current US dollars, based on data from the World Bank.

Russia and the Arab World, with all their energy supplies, come out behind. Ukraine does particularly poorly.

The conflict between Russia and Ukraine is between two countries that are doing poorly on this metric. Ukraine is also much smaller than Russia. It appears that Russia is in a conflict with a competitor that it is likely to be able to defeat, unless NATO members, including the US, can give immense support to Ukraine. As I discuss in the next section, the industrial ability of the US and the EU is waning, making it difficult for such support to be available.

[8] As conflict becomes a major issue, which economy is largest and is best able to defend itself becomes more important.

Figure 6. Total (not per capita) PPP GDP for the US, EU, and China, based on data of the World Bank.

Back in 1990, the EU had a greater PPP GDP than did either the US or China. Now, the US is a little ahead of the EU. More importantly, China has come from way behind both the US and EU, and now is clearly ahead of both in PPP GDP.

We often hear that the US is the largest economy, but this is only true if GDP is measured in current US dollars. If differences in actual purchasing power are reflected, China is significantly ahead. China is also far ahead in total electricity production and in many types of industrial output, including cement, steel, and rare earth minerals.

The conflict in Ukraine is now leading countries to take sides, with Russia and China on the same side, and the United States together with the EU on Ukraine’s side. While the US has many military bases around the world, its military capabilities have increasingly been stretched thin. The US is a major oil producer, but the mix of oil it produces is of lower and lower average quality, especially if obtaining diesel and jet fuel from it are top priorities.

Figure 7. Chart by OPEC, showing the mix of liquids that now make up US production. Even the “Tight crude” tends to be quite “light,” making it less suitable for producing diesel and jet fuel than conventional crude oil. Chart from OPEC’s February 2023 Monthly Oil Market Report.

Huge pressure is building now for China and Russia to trade in their own currencies, rather than the US dollar, putting pressure on the US financial system and its status as the reserve currency. It is also not clear whether the US would be able to fight on more than one front in a conventional war. A conflict with Iran has been mentioned as a possibility, as has a conflict with China over Taiwan. It is not at all clear that a conflict between NATO and China-Russia is winnable by the NATO forces, including the US.

It appears to me that, to save fuel, more regionalization of trade is necessary with the Asian countries being primary trading partners of each other, rather than the rest of the world. If such a regionalization takes place, the US will be at a disadvantage. It currently depends on supply lines stretching around the world for computers, cell phones, and other high-tech devices. Without these supply lines, the standards of living in the US and the EU would likely decline quickly.

[9] Clearly, the narratives that politicians and the news media tell citizens are under pressure. Even if they understand the true situation, politicians need a different narrative to tell voters and young people wondering about what career to pursue.

Every politician would like a “happily ever after” story to tell citizens. Fortunately, from the point of view of politicians, there are lots of economists and scientists who put together what I call “overly simple” models of the economy. With these overly simple models of the economy, there is no problem ahead. They believe the standard narrative about oil and other energy prices rising indefinitely, so there is no energy problem. Instead, our only problem is climate change and the need to transition to green energy.

The catch is that our ability to scale up green energy is just an illusion, built on the belief that complexity can scale up indefinitely without the use of fossil fuels.

We are left with a major problem: Our current complex economy is in danger of degrading remarkably in the next few years, but we have no replacement available. Even before then, we may need to do battle, in new ways, with other countries for the limited resources that are available.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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4,563 Responses to When the Economy Gets Squeezed by Too Little Energy

  1. Mirror on the wall says:

    Bakhmut is now operationally encircled with 10,000 UKR troops trapped in and around the city. The resupply of troops and ammunition there is now problematic for UKR.

    UKR troops are tracked by drones if they try to leave and then attacked, and some pretty disturbing videos are emerging. UKR forces are caught in a ‘cauldron’.

    UKR forces could try to fight their way out of the city area, which is probably not possible anyway, but the UKR intention is to continue to hold the city, which reflects the strategic importance of the area.

    UKR may try to fight more forces into the area, and that seems likely in coming days, but it would commit some of the best UKR forces to their sacrifice. UKR has already taken huge losses, including some of its best battalions holding Bakhmut, and that has already decreased their offensive potential, and it would compound that.

    Russia has already prepared for any such attempt to break through further forces in, anyway. Russia is experienced with cauldrons in multiple wars, and it understands how they work.

    UKR has sacrificed massive forces and equipment in exchange for time in Bakhmut, which will fall anyway. Zelensky is being positioned as a scapegoat for the Bakhmut debacle.

    Russian troops have reached the center of the city, and are pressing to capture remaining parts.

    Russia is pressing hard and advancing elsewhere on the field too, while UKR focuses on its crisis in Bakhmut. The whole of Kharkiv is liable to soon fall. And Bakhmut-like scenarios, ‘meat-grinders’, are beginning to form in various other places.

    > Russian cauldrons, Bakhmut and Debáltsevo

    • Student says:

      For info:

      ‘During World War II Artemivs’k (previous name of Bakhmut) was the protagonist in 1942 of a massacre made by Nazi soldiers; it returned to the hands of the Soviet Union in 1943.’

      My impression is that Russians know their history and also know their battles.

      https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachmut

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Is this like Penthouse Letters? Some guys dreams stuff up then writes it and pretends it’s real.

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    • Perhaps the moon landing never happened.

      • Herbie Ficklestei says:

        Maybe so but….The Apollo program has been described as the greatest technological achievement in human history.[149] Apollo stimulated many areas of technology, leading to over 1,800 spinoff products as of 2015, including advances in the development of cordless power tools, fireproof materials, heart monitors, solar panels, digital imaging, and the use of liquid methane as fuel.[150][151][152] The flight computer design used in both the lunar and command modules was, along with the Polaris and Minuteman missile systems, the driving force behind early research into integrated circuits (ICs). By 1963, Apollo was using 60 percent of the United States’ production of ICs. The crucial difference between the requirements of Apollo and the missile programs was Apollo’s much greater need for reliability. While the Navy and Air Force could work around reliability problems by deploying more missiles, the political and financial cost of failure of an Apollo mission was unacceptably high.[153]

        Technologies and techniques required for Apollo were developed by Project Gemini.[154] The Apollo project was enabled by NASA’s adoption of new advances in semiconductor electronic technology, including metal–oxide–semiconductor field-effect transistors (MOSFETs) in the Interplanetary Monitoring Platform (IMP)[155][156] and silicon integrated circuit chips in the Apollo Guidance Computer (AGC).[157
        From Wilkepedia
        ]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I guarantee it never happened

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    Never forget when CNN, ABC and other media outlets intentionally used a blurry, yellow filter to make Joe Rogan appear to look sick after he fully recovered from Covid-19 by using Ivermectin and other non-Big Pharma remedies.

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  5. MG says:

    The most succesful Czech politician Milos Zeman, who is currently finishing his career as the president of the Czech Republic, co-translated the Limits to Growth into Czech and distribuited it during the communist era.

    Milos Zeman and Vaclav Klaus were the two leading former prognostician, who shaped the Czech politics after 1989.

    https://www.irozhlas.cz/zpravy-domov/rimsky-klubpavel-novacekjiri-drahosmilos-zemankonspirator_1801180600_ogo

    Google Translate:

    “CZECH ASSOCIATION OF THE ROME CLUB

    The establishment of the Czechoslovak branch of the Rome Club was advocated already in 1990 by Miloš Zeman, officially the branch – the Czechoslovak Association of the Rome Club – was established on February 22, 1991. At the time of its establishment, it brought together three dozen personalities of science, culture and public life from Czechoslovakia. Václav Havel was elected honorary chairman, Valtr Komárek was elected chairman, Charles University Rector Radim Palouš and prognosticator Ing. Miloš Zeman. On March 4, 2008, Pavel Nováček was elected chairman of the Czech Association of the Club of Rome, Jarmila Doubravová, Jiří Drahoš, Jaroslav Kalous and Ivan Klíma were elected other committee members, and Michal Paulus was elected secretary.”

    Here is an article about how the prognostics became more and more important for the failing Eastern bloc on the case of the Czech Republic:

    https://g.cz/tovarna-na-vrcholne-politiky-prognosticky-ustav-vychoval-ministry-prezidenty-i-guvernery-cnb/

    Google Translate:

    “A factory for top politicians: the Prognostic Institute trained ministers, presidents and governors of the CNB”

    When Milos Zeman got older, he became rather controversial and lost his youthful smartness.

    https://nedd.tiscali.cz/studie-z-roku-1972-predpovedela-zhrouceni-civilizace-pomalu-ale-jiste-se-k-nemu-blizime-515772

    Google Translate

    “Bedřich Moldan and Josef Vavroušek worked on the translation of The Limits to Growth into Czech in the seventies. Forecaster Miloš Zeman also took part in it.

    Jiřina Šiklová said: “Miloš Zeman was once a brilliant prognosticator, he translated and personally reproduced Donella Meadows’s book The Limits of Growth and the texts of the then Club of Rome at a time when almost no one even knew what ecology was.”

    The translated text was distributed by samizdat during the communist rule in Czechoslovakia. The communists, who devastated the environment and resources in an unprecedented way, were not interested in its release per se.”

    It is no surprise, that the Velvet Revolution in Czechoslovakia in 1989 was largely led by the prognosticians:

    http://tvare-vzdoru.vaclavhavel-library.org/en/profile/77/fedor-gal-1945

    • I think the message of The Limits to Growth was well understood by the military groups of the world. A few influential individuals caught on as well.

      Where the message could not work was for universities, talking about opportunities for future employment, and for politicians, talking about what a wonderful future there would be. They needed a different narrative. Climate change, and our supposed ability to prevent climate change by adopting more complex solutions, seemed to be the solution.

      But for a while, the climate change narrative seemed to be aligned with the “running out of oil” story. Using less seemed to be the solution to both. Moving manufacturing to China looked like it was a solution to climate change, but of course, China had a good supply of inexpensive coal. When paired with cheap labor, it worked well for manufacturing.

      • postkey says:

        “China approved equivalent of two new coal plants a week in 2022, report finds By Jessie Yeung, CNN: February 27, 2023” ?
        https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/27/energy/china-new-coal-plants-climate-report-intl-hnk/index.html

        • Ed says:

          Presidential candidate Trump proposes ramping up FFs for the US also. Smart move for China, smart move for US. Use the extra 10 to 20 years to prepare for the new reality. Of course neither country will prepare. Oh well. Party on.

        • Jan says:

          Germany has huge deposits of lignite that could support BAU for one or two centuries, too. It is a political decision not to use it.

          • Minority of One says:

            Can you provide a link to support this?

          • Mike Roberts says:

            BAU can’t be supported by just lignite.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            If it makes you feel better to believe such nonsense … then believe it

          • Withnail says:

            Not really. Very poor quality coal. Can’t make petrochemicals out of it I imagine. Diesel needed for mining and transporting it.

            It usually has a high water content so needs drying out (energy used doing that).

          • Curt says:

            Not sure about this – What is the Energy Input To Output ratio, approximately, for these deposits? If they need more caloric units to extract than they would deliver, it is not an energy source.

            This is the case for many “deposits” that are estimated – they are not necessarily even possible to extract, strictly theoretical.

      • MG says:

        I have found this article by Fedor Gal about how they tried to apply the Limits to Growth in their work in Czechoslovakia:

        https://www.fedorgal.cz/blog/index.php/index.php?itemid=738

        The title of the blog is: The Limits to Growth and the Limits to the Limits to Growth

        Google Translate

        “Miloš Zeman developed a Czechoslovak derivative of the Forresterian approach in cooperation with programmer Vladimír Fajfra and others. He named it the KPM (Complex Prognostic Modeling) Method. The first application was supposed to be about Czechoslovak physical education. His workplace – the Department of Complex Prognostic Modeling – belonged to Sportpropag, which in turn belonged to the Central Committee of Czechoslovak Physical Education. As far as I know, the model has not been completed. Maybe because of the “supercritical” amount of variables and data. Anyway, it was a heroic feat and opened up, for me at least, a space to think about the possibilities and limits of forecasting methodology.”

      • gpdawson2016 says:

        “…They needed a different narrative. Climate change.”…. This is the post you should write! …but then again, Cancel Culture! better stick to the Overton Window.

    • reante says:

      Soviet Peak Oil was 1988/1989. The 1991 collapse followed the ‘2 year rule’ of post- peak oil collapse.

      • An of course, oil prices were very low in the late 1980s, making reinvestment difficult. If oil prices had been higher after 1981, it would have been possible to keep reinvestment up, but it would have left Russia with less oil for the future.

        • Dennis L. says:

          Resources went to the older part of the population, SS, Medicare which are not sustainable. I demonstrated this some time back comparing amounts spent on increasing ff prices vs contributions to SS and Medicare; not even a horse race.

          Dennis L.

    • Jan says:

      Interesting!

      I have read quite some harsh criticism on peakoil theory and its’ protagonists’ relation to ‘the Elders’ in German, too. The tendency of such articles is, the same people that lie to us now, have told us the peakoil story. The effect is, that readers of such articles are even harder to discuss peakoil with.

      Of course, to be true, hardly anyone can really present geological prove for a current peakoil incident. At least I cannot. I have to rely on published data or believe Colin Campbell or Ovi from peakoilbarrel. Perhaps some here in the forum have access to more reliable data. If you assume a scam just big enough, everything is thinkable and nothing is proveable. It is good to keep that in mind, to stay alert! It is possible that energy availability doesn’t play any role, that free energy is harvestable, that Tesla had invented it years ago and that instead a virus is responsible for all observable consequences of energy scarcity and we just can’t see that being indoctrinated by Fast Eddy. It is worth to consider that!

      As for myself that assumption does not make sense to me. But I concede there is a possibility I am wrong.

      There is another view to look on it. If we establish models, and we cannot avoid that some fail, we do that first place to avoid the worst and secondly to gain advantage. A very strong support of the peakoil model is that it allowed to make assumptions on future events and we can already see some predictions of the past come true. As we step on with assumptions and logical outcomes we might show that it is the best model to deal with reality.

      Of course we cannot exclude the possibility that a grumpy demiurge or it’s helpers on Earth listen to us and shape reality according to our expectations, just to play a mean game.

      If we we wrong, what could happen? If we were right, what could be won?

      But of course such narratives make it even harder to agree on measures that could mitigate the expected desaster.

      • gpdawson2016 says:

        “…..the same people that lie to us now, have told us the peakoil story.” How rich! Why do you think that Gail’s blog was so successful? Because it wasn’t compete with thousands of news outlets. You’re hearing about PO now because we’re seeing it in the famous ‘rear-view mirror’.

        • Withnail says:

          Most people don’t even know that oil wells and coal mines deplete and have to be shut down. They think they are like factories that produce oil or coal for as long as we want them to.

  6. Mirror on the wall says:

    An instance of falling complexity: farmers in northern Europe can no longer afford the energy costs to grow food in heated greenhouses, so we rely on good old fashioned energy sources like the sun – which depends on weather conditions. Admittedly, UK imports most of its food anyway. A further devolution of complexity would be reliance on local produce due to transport fuel costs, but we are not there yet. Or it could be fertiliser issues, which is another locus of complexity. Famine can reduce populations pretty fast?

    https://www.herald.co.zw/inflation-triggers-food-shortages-in-uk/

    Inflation triggers food shortages in UK

    Britain has been hit by a massive food shortage that has been triggered by a combination of factors that include inflation and a biting energy crisis.

    According to reports from British media the country’s biggest supermarkets are limiting purchases of certain fruit and vegetables as supply shortages lead to empty shelves.

    Groups including the National Farmers’ Union had previously warned that British farmers were struggling with higher energy costs, which is reducing their ability to grow certain fruits and vegetables in heated greenhouses. Other Northern European farmers are facing similar issues; while tomato disease and elevated fuel costs are further challenges.

    In an emailed statement, Andrew Opie, director of Food and Sustainability at the British Retail Consortium, said the situation had been brought to a head by weather conditions in Southern Europe and Northern Africa disrupting harvests.

    The adverse conditions include heavy rains hitting Morocco and a cold snap in Spain.

    The UK government has not stated Brexit as a factor, blaming weather conditions. EU member Ireland is also reportedly experiencing fruit and vegetable shortages.

    However, Pekka Pesonen, secretary general of European agricultural group Copa, told the Financial Times the additional paperwork faced by exporters as a result of Brexit would mean extra hassle that could cause them to raise prices, which UK supermarkets may not be willing to shoulder or pass on.

    James Walton, chief economist at the Institute of Grocery Distribution, told CNBC: “The UK is highly reliant on imports of fresh produce at all times of year, especially in winter — the EU accounts for much of this import volume. If there are shortfalls in production in the EU, then it would make sense that EU producers would serve their local demand first. This leaves less available for export to the UK.”

    • I would think that the UK would start growing more vegetables locally. I am not sure where there would be land–little spots near homes, or on land now used for grazing animals. Raising animals for meat is very energy intensive. It would seem like it would be reduced. The amount of meat eaten per capita is far higher now than it was 100 years ago.

      • David says:

        Does the UK grow *any* vegetables in heated glasshouses in winter 2022-23? I doubt it’s significant. Most of the tomatoes /lettuce /cucumbers /celery /peppers that I see on sale come from Morocco and I assume their greenhouses are unheated. Not a member of the EU, so nothing to do with Brexit.

        Vegetables like cauliflowers, Brussels sprouts and carrots were grown in the UK in the open. The UK winter is quite mild despite us being at roughly latitude 52 degrees North.

        Many onions on sale now were mostly grown in the Netherlands I think, although they could easily be grown here. Sometimes they come from places like New Zealand at the end of the season, in a few months’ time, when the ones in storage here are a bit past their use-by date.

        Shipping a few things even from NZ is almost a non-issue, because sea freight isn’t very energy-intensive. Heating glasshouses is definitely an issue. Best avoided.

      • Jan says:

        Animals for meat and milk are traditionally held on areas that cannot be used to grow gardens or fields on. Like that they expend the usable area. What is more, living stock can be seen as some kind of storage. It can be slaughtered when food is needed. Veggies need to be conserved and it usually takes a lot of energy both to preserve but also to store it.

        Under modern production conditions, of course, the equation gives a different result.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Vegetables were at one time grown in green houses in northern climates, there was a large complex in La Crosse heated by coal converted to steam. Steam was also used to sterilize the soil and eliminate weeds; they had an old steam engine of the type once used on farms for that.

        Cheap coal I suppose, but vegetables locally sourced.

        Dennis L.

    • postkey says:

      “The problem facing supermarkets – which have already done most of the things which keep prices low – is that they cannot raise prices without losing critical mass. This can happen internally, as customers who previously bought premium range items switch to the value range, or it can result in consumers abandoning supermarkets in favour of discount retailers. And many more of us are no longer shopping for the things we like, but limiting ourselves only to the things we really need. Either way, the hidden threat is that one or more of the big four – Asda, Morrisons, Sainsbury’s and Tesco – will go bust. If that happens, the downward pressure on prices – which, even today, is holding prices lower than they would otherwise be – would be released, throwing the food industry as a whole into a death spiral, as rising prices fuel falling demand until a large part of the population is surviving on bare essentials.”
      https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2023/02/23/more-death-spirals-begin-to-spin/?fbclid=IwAR3Cx0tjSPFn45ha-c4CuUIoF3bVeRKYKpEtVS6b3VDt91Xz5l-_YwVgolE

    • Fast Eddy says:

      That’s a bit of a punch in the face for the average MORE-ON who insists energy is not finite

    • Minority of One says:

      “Admittedly, UK imports most of its food anyway.”

      Can’t remember where , but watched a video last week that stated UK now imports 46% of its food, whatever that means.

    • Jan says:

      Just want to remind you on Sauerkraut (very stereotypic, I know), growing sprouts from dried seeds and getting started with growing mushrooms. Not to forget Natto…

      Also this could be seen in a double way: as the result of reduced complexity and as a staging to make UK join EU again.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Have you tried sprouting raw green lentils? I used to get massive sprouts from those, and they are highly nutritious eaten raw.

        As far as I remember, you just soak them overnight, chuck them in a large jar, cover with muslin (porous) cloth secured with an elastic band and place them in a dark cupboard for a few days – but it has been a while, and no doubt you could google the details.

        Sprouted seeds may be high in estrogen however, which is pros and cons for a bloke. These days I just put a giant burger in the air frier. 🙂

        Love sauerkraut btw. with smokey frankfurters, mushy peas and sweet mustard with a crate of chilled Becks – but do not tell the English or they will see me as a ‘sinner’ lol. I just love food, music and booze, though I am actually quite abstentious lol.

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          Student, is this Italian that they are speaking? I know that I seem to be writing half-Latin much of the time anyway, with my grammar and vocabulary but I actually cannot understand literally a single word of this. The accent sounds Italian to me?

          • Curt says:

            Italian, albeit with a strange accent.

          • Student says:

            I’m very sorry Mirror, I missed your question.
            It is probably because I refresh cache and cronology in my pc.
            Campitello is a little town in ‘Val di Fassa’ (Dolomiti).
            They talk a dialect language which derives from ‘lingua ladina’ which is a language spoken in various places in the Alps.
            It is a language that evolved from vulgar latin spoken.
            It has similiarity with another language spoken in the Alps which is Rhaeto-Romance language which also derives from vulgar latin.
            This language is also spoken in Switzerland.

            Thank you for your question

            http://www.schuhplattlercampitello.com

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladin_language

            https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetto_fassano

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I just signed up for a cruise of Italy… they offer options to stop in ports where there are many gypsies… and hunt them… another option is the lap dance VIP room tour — hot gypsies even better than Ruby Heart Breaker are on offer… they cloak calling it a Tour of Ice Rinks … so that the missuses on the boat don’t work things out and get all uppity…

              Anyone know a good taxidermist in Italy? I’d like to mount my kill and take it back to NZ

    • Minority of One says:

      “Britain has been hit by a massive food shortage… ”

      Food shortages of certain types of veg there is, although these shortages seem to be localised, but ‘massive’ they are not. Not yet anyway.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Just prepping for Global Holodomor … it will come … just not yet

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        I cannot say that I eat loads of fruit and salad in the winter anyway. Some people do.

        I have been buying as normal and my supermarket bills have remained within budget, but prices have been rising and many people are struggling. Food inflation is the bigger issue for many right now.

        But these are all complexities waiting to devolve, and there is no ‘national shame’ in admitting that.

        All of my usual items have remained available. Long live BAU but many are already struggling, even if not us.

        Admittedly, the fruit and salad in winter crowd do not necessarily evince the maximum sympathy but we should avoid reverse snobbery. People know what their body wants, and not everyone is the same.

        https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_national_181/ead2c5647a9259295fd4cd41b7321d18

        • Minority of One says:

          Neil McCoy-Ward estimates the UK’s current food inflation at about 50% (versus officialdom value of 10-15%).

          I have changed my shopping habits recently. Still walk to various supermarkets with my rucksack, several times a week, but the largest shopping at Sainsbury’s, I now do that early on a Saturday morning, rather than in the afternoon. Too many items, mainly fruit and veg, are available first thing but gone by I presume late morning, certainly gone by afternoon. The selection of items is still amazing though. For now.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            An accountant in the US did the numbers on his spend for groceries… up over 40% YOY.

            Preparing for Global Holodomor …

          • Mrs S says:

            I am very much enjoying getting a box of fruit and vegetables delivered from a local farm.

            It’s not that much more expensive than the supermarket.

            I recommend it.

  7. MG says:

    One is really exhausted from the rising complexity. When will this end? What about several years or even decades without any changes?

    2 years ago, a new categorization of the circuit breakers for electricity consumers was introduced in Slovakia. Clearly, there is not enough electricians to perform the installation, so only new contracts take this into consideration.

    As I have a new contract, the serviceman from the electricity distribution company came and checked my meter and said I need it. As I do not have it yet, I have to pay more.

    Fortunatelly, I could find an electrician to perform this: it requires removing the distribution company seals, mounting the circuit breaker 3×25 A, type B, applying new seals…

    When will this end???!!!

    I want the collapse and the escape from this finite world into happy eternity…

    • Fast Eddy says:

      I second that notion.

      We are living in a Dystopian Hell Hole populated by billions of re tar ded MORE-ONS… who do nothing but destroy and feed … the whole lot are worse than useless.

      Please suh… can we have some Bossche Mutation. I wanna see the MOREONS plunge into despair…

      I’m forming a band by the name … thrash metal … it will also be the name of our first song…

      Ideas for other songs…

      Why, norm?

      Pedo’s Delight

      Tranny Ball Sack

      Rat Juice Booster

      anna Loves Banana

      See dunc Crawl

      This is the first verse of Why norm?

      And meanwhile .. The Child … full of VAIDS… sniffles in the corner …. The Horror… The Horror…(guitar solo)…. who drove The Child to the clinic… Why norm? Why norm? Burn in hell for eternity… (drum solo)…

      Pedo’s Delight… who’s that hatin on Tommy … who’s that lovin Joe Biden… (drum solo)/… who’s that standin at the school gate… hey man… don’t sniff the hair.. hey man… don’t sniff it… (guitar solo)….

      • MG says:

        I have heard that my neighbour, who is a hunter, has already been shooting on other people from the high stand.

        There is little game and too many hunters…

    • People in the medical industry spend an awfully lot of their time coding data that never gets used by anyone. The complexity of the overall system is what is causing problems.

      University professors find themselves being required to put together reports on student performance according to all kinds of internal metrics. I asked one professor if anyone asked graduates of the program, five years out, how much money they were earning, the answer was “No.” I think the big issue in that particular area of study was that jobs were not available that paid very much.

      • Dennis L. says:

        There never were jobs and those getting degrees really weren’t smart enough. I was in a group that produced one Nobel laureate, ours was a few buildings removed from him, but everyone worked continuously, it was a grind.

        If you really wanted competition, try mathematics, impossible to get a good job unless exceptional, at least at Madison which vied with MIT for the rank of number one.

        I am not sure about medicine, but very familiar with dentistry and in my last professional years ran a very large dental clinic. We were all digital, it allowed us to determine what treatments produced the best results. Conclusion, regular cleaning of teeth, low profit margin. Digital records work, coding is done to maximize payments from government. No money, no people, back to collecting from the patient. That should be the job of AI now, trivial project.

        Dennis L.

        • My degrees are in math. I was told that actuarial work was the field for math majors. I turned out to have lots of jobs that paid well. We made lots of forecasts of the future, assuming that it would look a lot like the recent past. Somehow, that story seemed false to me; it was not possible for rapid growth to continue forever on a finite world. That is how I figured out that we had the problem we do.

  8. Why is it that this analysis – the US and Europe are running out of cheap fossil fuels and the future is China and Russia’s – and the analysis of Peter Zeihan (who charges a lot of money for presentations to multinationals and US government agencies like the CIA) – who says the United States has “near bottomless supplies of local light, sweet crude” (https://twitter.com/PeterZeihan/status/1614277183492739072) and Russia and China will seize to exist within 10 years due to catastrophic demographic problems?

    There’s a lot of logic in both analyses, but completely different outcomes…

    • It is strange that US horizontal rig counts are now dropping and drilled but uncompleted wells are now being pulled into service in the US. I see this in publications I see. This indicates that producers are not confident about spending money to drill more wells. This is pretty much the opposite of what Peter Zeihan is saying.

    • Withnail says:

      Zeihan is an idiot. His fans are pretty much exclusively low IQ Americans.

      • drb753 says:

        Not clear why he is pushed so much. If he can not even make the average zerohedge reader bite, he is hopeless. But I admire his ability to monetize speeches which could have been written by ChatGPT given a zerohedge articles database.

      • Mark says:

        His predictions on China seem spot on – how can they survive when they have hundreds of millions of old retired people, and a fraction of that who are of working age, alongside their debt mountain? Demographics is the metric that underpins all other. So hes correct there, and I hadn’t heard anyone else pointing this out before him.

        • Ed says:

          0–14 years 17.29%
          15–64 years 70.37%
          65 and over 12.34%

          980 million working age Chinese will support the 170 million over 65.

        • Withnail says:

          Demographics is the metric that underpins all other.

          No it isn’t. It’s of zero importance compared to energy and metal ores.

      • Dennis L. says:

        I read his last book, following his predictions to get an idea of how often he is right/wrong. Something about predicting the future is tougher than it would seem.

        Dennis L.

    • Student says:

      In the reuters article there is paragraph titled ‘Shale Oil to Diesel’ but it doesn’t talk inside the paragraph of that specific aspect.
      Actually in the article it is not explained how shale oil can be transformed into diesel as it is well know that light oil cannot become diesel easily…
      In Italy we say ‘giocare al gioco delle tre carte’ it can be probably translated into ‘play the shell game’ that ironically rhymes with ‘shale game’ 🙂

      https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exxon-prepares-start-up-12-bln-texas-oil-refinery-expansion-sources-2023-01-13/

      • Jan says:

        It is possible to transform hydrogen into gas. It is more or less chemically carbonized. I guess that could work until getting Diesel. The problem: it is a very energy consuming process, at least 30% are lost. To comprise hydrogen into small high pressure fuel tanks for individual transport bears the same problem.

    • Minority of One says:

      When ‘Peak Oil’ was fashionable, about 2003 – 2008, there were many contrarians who said Peak Oil was nonsense, and made their living out of saying so. Their arguments were invariably nonsense, but they were usually successful because they gave the message the world wanted to hear.

      Most infamous of those in Scotland and possibly the UK was prof Alex Kemp, University of Aberdeen. I kept a record of his slide presentations from about 2005-2007, showing absurdly optimistic forecasts for UK offshore oil production (from his computer models – I have never seen Mr King use real production data), and now we can compare what he forecast with what actually happened, and his forecasts were garbage. And they always were. The UK media, the Scottish govt and Uni of Aberdeen love the guy – because his absurd forecasts are the story the sheople want to hear / read about.

      • The peak oil story isn’t really right, however.

        It is more of an energy consumption per capita problem. It is also a financial problem, and an inability to maintain complexity problem.

        The peak oil story quickly becomes the “prices will rise forever, and we can extract all of the oil we see in the ground,” story. To a significant extent, it can be used as a spring board for “prices will rise enough that our biggest problem will be climate change.” The folk promulgating the theory did not think in an overall systems basis. It really wasn’t right. Peak oilers didn’t like the view I was giving, because I was saying something quite different.

  9. Fast Eddy says:

    WOW! FE is banned https://www.eugyppius.com/p/yet-another-leak-reveals-that-covid

    All he did was question the motives of the SS leaders — who are insisting there is no malicious intent.

    In HIS last post HE detailed what has been done with Midazolam — why give a respiratory inhibiting drug to people dying from … a respiratory disease…

    Then HE questioned if the motive for denying the obvious (that there are masterminds behind this) is intended to ensure the masses do not cause trouble and attempt to upset the extermination plan…

    Fast tried to follow with this — but was rejected due to the ban.

    It’s all coming to together now…. Kirsch Eugy Berenson Malone etc… they are insist there is no malicious intent and this is all mass psychosis so nobody is organizing it…

    Brilliant – Bravo PR Team… I see you. I have outted ya’ll.

    Hmmm… so Matt Hancock… is using Whatsapp to discuss what is a highly classified operation … hatched at the DOD…. and reveal stuff that could lead to him being hung at Nuremberg 2.0.

    And SS is alight with celebrations of this ‘leak’

    Yep the SSers are telling us the end is nigh … these nasty villains are going to the gallows — and nobody questions what is going on.

    What is going on is the end game is approaching … nobody is going to hang… but because the anti vaxxers believe they are on the verge of a massive win … they do not pick up pitch forks and rampage…

    Nope… they high five and get the Champagne ready.

    Don’t get me wrong… I don’t want anyone to pitch fork the folks who are exterminating us…

    If they fail the Gates of Hell will open… nobody wants that …. we need the plan to complete — without people trying to tip over the table https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=220

    • Jan says:

      In Austria have been regional elections lately. During the pandemic the winner had suggested to obligate vaxxed to wear a yellow ribbon, so the unvaxxed could be identified. People remarking that the colour yellow were tasteless as it was the colour Jews had to wear under Hitler, were screamed down for exculpating the crimes of the Nazis. That guy now was reelected with an unimportant loss of 8%, after he said he regretted his remark, though most people I know in that area, which is not very representative, say they won’t get any fourth shot. That guy had supported vaxx mandates in a very powerful position and also thanks to him Austria was one of the rare countries to legally implement a general mandate, though it was never put into practise after large protests. Another more recent regional election shew similar results.

      If the pandemic and the injected substances were meant to be a wake-up call, it was not very successful.

      • Interesting!

      • JMS says:

        Wanting to force impure bloods to wear a self-betrayal armband is a piece of ultra-cynicism and exquisit black humor.
        The only way to improve that joke was perhaps to make mRNA refuseniks always wear a tin foil hat outside (at home they would be excused, unless they had visitors of course).

    • Ed says:

      Good work unclean. We are proud to know you.

    • David says:

      You omit Toby Young at the Daily Sceptic. Very establishment, so doesn’t want to rock the boat. Simple to explain his behaviour, I think.

      One of the people you mention may be a kind of double agent. The others probably have all sorts of cultural reasons for sticking to the 100% cockup theory longer than I would.

      Even the H1N1/WHO/Pandremix scandal 2009 was proven to be a conspiracy to make pharma profits. So I’d have thought people would accept that this repeated and tweaked the process. It involved clever and devious work by pharma to make $10s of billions in a short time, with no liability.

      The even more malicious explanations are harder to accept but Catherine A Fitts’s talk explained the unfunded pension liabilities. It’s not proven but it’s persuasive. None of the ‘public health’ actions since 2020 have improved people’s health; that’s also suspicious.

      ‘Convergent opportunism’ is one term for what’s going on. Cockups and conspiracies, all messily mixed up.

    • DB says:

      It seems that many commenters on Covid-related Substacks are more radical than the Substack authors. These commenters tend to view Covid and other societal changes as planned and coordinated by a small elite, with the goal of political consolidation into a techno-dystopia and a much smaller population. They generally don’t see the financial, economic, or energy forces underlying this plot, but at least they understand a big part of the picture. One question to help them get over the hump of understanding might be to ask: why now? That is, greed and lust for power are human constants. What changed that led an evil elite to instigate these changes?

      Substack authors have to have happy endings in their stories, just as Gail has noted that other writers have to have about energy and resource limits — they have to sell renewables or survivable degrowth or political change that somehow overcomes finite resources. Therefoe, many Substack authors rally their supporters, and promise justice will be served, with a return to normal or even a better society after correcting all the mistakes of the Covid era. I suspect most or all of these authors believe this hopeful storyline. If they didn’t give this counter-narrative, they’d also have few followers, as the stark reality of a finite world is unacceptable to almost all, apart from a few scattered individuals like us at OFW.

      • Ed says:

        The OFW motto. “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

        credit to Frank Herbert

  10. Fast Eddy says:

    Gently interrogating The Child and there are always many kids sick in the class… asking would you say half the kids are sick some days?

    No not half but lots… sometimes the teacher says — we are missing a lot of people today….

    This is VAIDS… and VAIDS is permanent … did I mention we are f789ed?

    This is only the beginning .. the appetizer… a side dish of endless flu… a glass of cancer…

    The main course — The Bossche Mutation — is surely nearly ready to be served.

    Why else would they release those Hancock messages — and why oh why would he communicate what is clearly highly confidential stuff — on Whatsapp haha – these anti vaxxers will believe anything hahaha

    Another flavour of ID OCY

    • reante says:

      At the school where I clean toilets theyve posted a March Attendance Drive. Show up for 11 out of the 12 school days and you win yourself a sweet treat. Maybe they figured there was no point in holding the drive during January or February. In December they ended the semester two days early due to catastrophic attendance.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Why not offer a free Bonus Booster + some puberty blockers and a big jar of Paxlovid (cherry flavoured) to the kids? And what the hell – some marijuana laced gummy bears.

        Just go full f789ing re tard….

        Then when they are all amped up on the gummies and a few are lying dead on the floor from heart attacks… open the back door and let the Tranny Freaks prance in … a little Beyonce… everyone clapping singing and dancing along as they Flash their Ball Sacks…

        BTW – I was at a hockey arena yesterday and the boards at the benches were made of clear plastic… asked what that was all about – oh that’s so the disabled hockey folks who drag themselves about the ice on some sort of sleds…. can see the action …. wowee I’m thinking … if you are that f789ed why not just sit at home and watch TEE vee and order in KFC for every meal with soda … and when it all gets to be too much .. Fent Yourself

        Oh and hey — this is where we are … butchering children… this is riveting Peterson

        https://youtu.be/6O3MzPeomqs

      • Bam_Man says:

        “We don’t need no education.
        We don’t need no thought control.”

      • What country is this in?

        • reante says:

          Me? Oregon, USA.

          • Replenish says:

            Beautiful country up there. In 2003, I got a ride up from the Wasatch to Eugene with a hippie family during the time of the fires on the Three Sisters. I ran over a huge jackrabbit in the middle of the night and nearly ran the brakes out of the VW van in the mountains. My buddy came from Bend to pick me up and I spent 2 weeks there before returning on a Greyhound. My favorite part of the trip was the lava flow.. state park visitor’s center built out of lava.

            • reante says:

              Thanks for the memories. Went backpacking up middle sister with friends about the same time as that,. Shroomjng in alpine meadows and the like. Hiked part of obsidian trail which passed through a lava field. Didn’t know about a lava building. Oregon is an amazing state. I have a view of the three sisters from the top of my property in the coast range. 🙂

  11. Fast Eddy says:

    It’s not collapsing … they will believe this:

    Narrative Collapsing, Unexplained Deaths: A Shift in the Story Is Coming Soon – Edward Dowd

    “One of my sources in the government told me that … the White House is potentially preparing to declare an epidemic of sudden death and that they might blame long COVID and potentially, believe it or not, climate change.”

    Subscribe to https://t.me/TruthAboutCOVID

  12. Fast Eddy says:

    hahaha no malicious intent huh

    Targeting Kids: Pfizer Is Now Offering MDs Free Paxlovid to Give to Children Down to the Age of 12

    Paxlovid has over 100 drug interactions, the most of any drug on the market.

    Dr. Elizabeth Mumper: “Everybody, just be aware — and protect your children.”

    @DowdEdward

    • Rodster says:

      Yup, definitely vaxxed and boosted. As Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times noted, Wills had missed the final two weeks of the regular season last year after being hospitalized in Toronto. He was later diagnosed with arrhythmia. He later died in his sleep. Nah, nothing suspicious here, happens all the time. Why even mentioning a possible cause would be disinformation. So boost up people, full steam ahead and don’t forget to vax and boost your kiddies for CV19.

      https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/dave-wills-longtime-member-of-rays-radio-broadcast-team-dies-at-58/

      “Dave Wills, longtime member of Rays radio broadcast team, dies at 58”

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Fantastic.

        I continue to listen to tales of Vax – F789ed Idi ots here in Canada… who are not connecting dots. I just sit with a look of zombification on my face…. currently I am wondering if the parent of this child is going to offer him Paxlovid…

        https://youtu.be/XVSRm80WzZk

        • Rodster says:

          In order to achieve full zombification, you need to own an iPhone and stare at it while talking to them. Do that and they will start to listen.

  13. Jan says:

    BASF in Ludwigshafen/Germany to close 50% of it’s ammonia production, a pre-product for agricultural ferilisers, due to risen energy costs.

    https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/2023-02/basf-ludwigshafen-ammoniak-produktion-stilllegung?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F

    • Withnail says:

      UK fertiliser industry plus the big greenhouses are shut down as well.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      That makes me giddy… cuz a key pillar of UEP is starvation … that’s what’s gonna kill those who don’t get infected — that and fuel ponds.

      • Withnail says:

        Sooner or later humanity reverts to the norm. The most efficient and ruthless barehanded killers get to reproduce. The math nerds die.

    • Lack of ammonia for fertilizer will certainly hurt crop production. This is not a big surprise, once imported natural gas is high-priced. China makes ammonia with coal, but imported coal is also high-priced.

    • It is interesting that the lowest recent deaths, according to the last chart, was in 2020. Staying home (and away from vaccines) was good for the death rate.

  14. Fast Eddy says:

    Having determined humans cannot pass through the Van Allen belts without frying … as stated by an NASA engineer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O5dPsu66Kw

    Let’s examine the photography

    • ivanislav says:

      A big part of the argument rests on shadows diverging and thus the illumination source not being a distant sun, but didn’t the lander have its own light source as well?

      • reante says:

        Ivan you are strawmanning (overinflating your ‘technical’ objection). Would you care to reframe your concerns so that they are worth responding to, assuming they’re honest concerns in the first place?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Feel free to explain that to the 6 world class photographers in the doco who totally disagree with you

    • reante says:

      Thanks Eddy. Case closed.

    • jarvis9077 says:

      sorry Eddy they do pas through the Van Allen radiation belts with minimal effects. They use an Old Fijian fire walking technique. When walking on fire do it quickly! In NASA’s case something like 27,000 per hour through a narrow belt. Zooom! your through!

  15. Jan says:

    That’s a very good forecast!

    Some comments:

    1. When oil becomes scarce, to invest into alternative energy would increase the scarcity. This applys also to any larger war that requires arms production. From my point of view neither a larger war nor huge investments into alternative energy are possible.

    This also applies for necessary investments to adapt to declining complexity.

    2. To discuss inflation as a consequence of higher extraction costs or supply crunches is correct in the sense that general prices will raise. The definition of inflation though is a wage-price-spiral, which is more a monetarian mechanism. In this case wages cannot rise. I suggest to speak of a decline in productivity, as some of the productivity generated by oil needs to be reinvested into the respective oil production. Instead of producing refridgerators economies have to produce oil extraction with growing complexity. GDPs might stay at the same levels but living standards sink. We might not have the right tools to measure this effect.

    3. Large parts of the infrastructure we have invested into in the past become obsolete, if huge changes in our food production become unavoidable. If energy declines the provision of large cities and suburbs becomes impossible. There are historical studies that show clearly that energy was a limiting factor to the growth of cities in history. The same applies to roads and logistic systems. If we need more people working the fields they have to live somewhere close. Also short distances as people live where they produce and consume their goods (food, clothing) reduce the amount of energy needed. Food is produced on fertile grounds. To ramp up shelters for field workers close to fertile grounds would reduce these spaces. Suburbs and roads are often build on fertile grounds due to historic development. This infrastructure needs to be removed to produce food when food production becomes less effective because fertilizers based on oil are unaffordable.

    4. Countries with oil resources have an advantage towards countries without. When economies decline it will be easy for resource countries to attract high potentials and their knowhow to provide goods, while countries without resources must convice resource countries to sell and deliver oil and thus restrict themselves. Resource countries can invest into arms production and fuel their military while countries without cannot. Resource countries will likely prefer efficient military protection by their buyers of resources to the trade of sophisticated technology and services.

    5. High quality jobs will deteriorate quickly when complexity declines. Countries with a high level of complexity and a large services sector will deteriorate faster than agrarian structured countries. Education becomes an investment that doesn’t pay off. Countries with a high percentage of subsistence economy have more widespread knowledge and structures (seeds, soil, irrigation without machines) that those with engineered farming.

    6. Looking to the recent pandemic and also to the climate change narrative and their consequences on elections it needn’t be for granted to assume a reason driven homo oeconomicus. It is likely that politics and populace don’t understand and apprehend the underlying mechanisms and thus focus on decisions unsuited to solve the underlying problems. This may lead to a waste of energy and an accellerated decline.

    As highly educated people rely on their learned models that fail with the current situation and as they stay in their bubble they make inappropriate management decisions that will deteriorate the authority of state. People will not rely on the state under the rule of law. Instead crimes and disorder will increase as it is the only possibility to survive.

    7. It is my impression that poorer people in Europe are already under stress to afford their daily routines. The situation might be already more advanced that depicted in the article. Official inflation is around 10%. Social allowances have not been raised, pensions and wages insufficiently. Jobs are hard to obtain. Housing costs have spiraled upwards, though I expect a decline of the real estate markets. I know quite a lot of people that cannot heat properly, that cannot pay rents and mortgages or electricity and that reduce their spendings on food. Holidays are an unaffordable luxury for most people in the middle or lower social segment. They are glad if they can visit their parents, which means the parents contribute to their living expenses during that time.

    Gail mentions a catastrophic predicament that in all cases leads to reduced chances of survival of huge masses. I am afraid that this could even be increased by the above mechanisms.

    I think to get to the lesser evil we as communities in fate should prepare for what is obvious. We still have the resources and at least some time to start preparations on state levels. Priority is to clean up nuclear waste, which is hard to deal with on a lower technological complexity, and to start changes in agriculture and the respective infrastructure. What I see in my environment though this will not happen. It is the last people think of.

    • Artleads says:

      3. Shelter will be nothing remotely like it is now. It will be closer to a hunter and gatherer–set up and remove paradigm. You can take it with you. I would put shelter and back-to-the-future living style far above major nuclear cleanup. We might never return to a place where that matters primarily (any time soon). We’re in a period of triage, call it problem or predicament. You can’t correct a problem using the same mindset that produced it in the first place.

      • Artleads says:

        In very broad and oversimplified terms:

        DEMOLISH NOTHING
        “BUILD” NOTHING
        REPAIR EVERYTHING

        • Artleads says:

          “Repair” everything, but not nearly as much for show as for functionality.

    • Jef Jelten says:

      Jan – good points.

      Great swaths of the US too are being shut out of the economy, infrastructure is crumbling and being ignored. This has the effect of demand destruction allowing resources to focus on the chosen regions.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I am seeing this in Canada … bridges going to pieces… the concrete falling off in chunks… rebar exposed on some of them… the asphalt on the roads is a disaster in my home town … you really have to be careful driving cuz the holes are so deep you can bust a wheel….

        My brother reckons the qualify of what they are laying has gone down … obviously we don’t have the extra energy available now to maintain the infrastructure

        We are f789ed. Which is a good thing.. Exterminate the monstrosity

      • Withnail says:

        Great swaths of the US too are being shut out of the economy, infrastructure is crumbling and being ignored. This has the effect of demand destruction allowing resources to focus on the chosen regions.

        The major expansion of the US prison population in the 1980s in the ‘war on drugs’ also helped make more resources available for suburban Americans who vote and provided cheap labour to boost the economy. By the end of the 1980s over 1 million Americans were incarcerated.

        America’s primary economic activity is the construction, maintenance and financing of suburban sprawl and its accessories.

    • Mark Kelly says:

      “Priority is to clean up nuclear waste” – so those who understand fossil fuels are depleting and who say the answer is nuclear are wrong? Should we not be ramping up nuclear to cushion the blow?

    • From your Questions 1 and 2 that you have somewhat of an economics background. This is, to a significant extent, handicapping in seeing the full picture. I think of the models of economics as being “overly simple.” They model situations that are represent the result of complex interactions as simple two variable models. In 1976, a British statistician named George Box wrote the famous line, “All models are wrong, some are useful.” These two dimensional models can be helpful in some situations, but they are wrong as the system reaches limits.

      In Question 1, you say, “When oil becomes scarce, to invest into alternative energy would increase the scarcity.” This is true. But until the scarcity becomes very apparent, and even when it starts to, the big issue is keeping prices of fossil fuels high enough to keep fossil fuel producers extraction and refining oil, and keeping up demand for other fossil fuels. The use of energy to try to make renewables adds a little, directly, to the demand for fossil fuels.

      The use of renewables also adds indirectly to demand by keeping hope for the future up. People continue to buy vehicles, think that they can drive them essentially forever. They continue to pay for expensive educations. The financial system continues to offer long term mortgages. Governments stay large, so that deficit spending is an option. So is lowering interest rates and making debt more available to consumers.

      In Question 2, one think you say is “The definition of inflation though is a wage-price-spiral, which is more a monetarian mechanism.” I think in terms of an integrated system. I have trouble with breaking out parts in this way. Also, my formal economics training is limited to a one-semester introductory course.

      Regarding “I suggest to speak of a decline in productivity, as some of the productivity generated by oil needs to be reinvested into the respective oil production.” I very much agree that we are reaching a decline in productivity. I see the use of fossil fuels as being the major way of leveraging human productivity. In fact, I did a post on that, one time years ago. Of course, this productivity also requires complex devices made through the use of fossil fuels. It is the use of these complex devices that we have a difficult time maintaining.

      As I see the situation, the availability of rising fossil fuel products per person has allowed the wide range of occupations we have today. As fossil fuel products per person fall, the system will necessarily simplify. Some of these devices will break, and there will not be supplies to repair them, for example. International trade will become more strained, because of inadequate fuel supplies. The occupational structure will need to flatten considerably. If we continue to use fossil fuels, humans will need to play a bigger part in their extraction.

      Even more importantly, we need food and fresh water to stay alive. More of our efforts will be concentrated in these areas. We know that people were originally hunter-gatherers. After that, they learned to harness animal power and to do simple agriculture. The economy, as it flattens, will fall increasingly in this direction. Today’s governmental organizations will disappear. Much simpler systems will substitute. Retirement will disappear as a concept; everyone will need to work to contribute to the system.

      I think that quite a bit of what you say in the later questions/comments is right.

  16. Fast Eddy says:

    In response to Gail Tverberg:

    Lay off Norm. We all know that Norm did not hysterically insist that children must be injected.

    Norm is OK. He just refuses to jump on the damn vaxs wagon which is fine.

    Yes but norm hates tommy therefore norm must support the pedos – apply logic to a situation and you cannot be wrong.

    • Cheese can cause nightmares says:

      “apply logic to a situation and you cannot be wrong.”

      No. It’s like the burglary of a multi-storey car park — it’s just wrong on so many levels. There is false logic and there is blanket logic that is not true.

      And using the “p” word about Norman is just libellous and needs to stop now. It’s gone beyond a joke. What if Norman sued? How wealthy are you, Fast?

      Note: “storey” is the British spelling for a floor of a building, while the Americans just spell it “story”.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        FE never said norm is a pedo – he said norm despises tommy — tommy is on the war path vs the pedos… why would anyone oppose tommy?

        You tell me

        Now that does not necessarily mean norm is a pedo — all it means is he is the enemy of those who oppose pedo activities.

        One might be forgiven for thinking norm is pro pedo (again he may not be a pedo but he may think pedoing is acceptable… many people do including his hero Joe Biden… then there are those photos of Hunter with his tween niece half naked… there is that)…

        Who knows what norm is all about …

        norm might just be mentally ill from injecting so much Rat Juice + reading Huff CNNBBC….

        And that’s turned him against tommy – the man who tries to protect children from those dirty old pedos.

        If norm sues Fast Eddy FE says he’ll call the BBCCNN and ask them to come visit norm and ask him why he is so against the man who opposes the pedos… what’s with that….

        BTW Fast has no money – Fast does not even exist … physically … technically norm could serve me with papers… but I’d just say I’ve had FE read them and HE says fock off and die… and please inject more Rat Juice.

        doh. This is surely a ridiculous discussion … tommy = great hero

        Joe Biden = pedo Anyone who supports JB is sick in the mind.

        Can I say that?

        • Cheese can cause nightmares says:

          “all it means is he is the enemy of those who oppose p— activities.”

          And that is a libel in itself. The person wearing the FE mask is eminently traceable, of course.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Your honour — I have printed out a series of comment demonstrating that norm has attacked my good friend tommy — who opposes pedos … he also opposes these immigrants who rape women and sometimes boys….

            Thank you for this Fast Eddy… we will investigate norm … this is very fishy behaviour… now we’ll have a recess and head down to the Gents Club for some lap dances and blow…

            Sounds good your honour… sounds good.

            • again

              bear in mind, that incessant accusation is usually a confession in disguise.

              That has been proven time and time again, in every area in this topic.—politicians, clerics—you name it, all exposed as guilty in the end

              eddys pedo-rant is like a 5 year old who’s heard a new bad word and keeps saying it over and over—just to get attention

              the 5 year old will grow out of it

              eddy won’t

              we are therefore left with he thought that the pedo rant is an obsessive semi-guilt thing–a hiding of confession.??

              accusations to disguise something much more sinister.
              There are site that cater to your tastes eddy===anyone looking in and reading your incessant claptrap might just get the wrong idea about OFW in general

              Pedo ranting is safe in here—out in the real world the result would be a punch in the mouth.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              This is exactly what one would expect from someone who has … inclinations… when exposed he will attempt to transfer upon the one who exposes him …

              It won’t work norm … you are on record as citing Joe and Hunter Biden as your heroes.

              And you despise Tommy – who is just trying his best to protect The Children…

              Fast sees all. Fast knows all. Fast is … omni-potent (extra potent for those unfamiliar with the term)

              Shall I try Exorcising the spike protein from this poor child? Out Out Demon … Out … the power of norm compels you! The power of norm compels you!

              It would be a lot more disturbing if it were not for the fact that everyone is gonna die.

              Parents arguing over why their kids are always sick… and knowing why … but not saying ..cuz that would cause a Mass Explosion of Hate and Anger… oh no … let that dog sleep…. the power of norm compels you!

            • 5 year olds grow out of using naughty words to get attention

              OFW is the only place you dare use them

              we all know what would happen if you tried it in RL

            • Fast Eddy says:

              it doesn’t happen in RL because Fast Eddy avoids situations where it might happen

            • /////it doesn’t happen in RL because Fast Eddy avoids situations where it might happen/////////

              down the years of blatant, attention seeking adolescent level lies and BS eddy

              you have finally given us a few words of actual truth

              congratulations—how does it feel?

              you might get to like it.

              “avoids situations where it might happen”

              Of course you do—

              One load of BS delivered every minute or so from 8am——anything to get attention—so long as RL doesn’t get in the way? (you just said so)
              Then on throughout the day—I dont need to read the comments—just watch the minutes tick away as the garbage is regurgitated 8.01—8,02…8.03–just so long as it’s on OFW—never having to deal with with real people.

              Women are plough hogs. —tells me such a lot about the terror of reality—scared stiff of being exposed.
              Even the kids down the med centre wipe the floor with you

              You only recourse is the pedo obsession with me, because i continually points out what you are.

              Constant accusations become a confession eddy.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Fast makes sure to avoid people like you in FL norm.

              Easily done by simply avoiding the Dumpsters where SSS does her thing

            • at least we now know this is the only place where you feel safe in mouthing all this incessant nonsense eddy

              why dont to try saying it using real words to real people

              then come and tell everyone in detail what happened

              (after you get out of hospital of course)—-and youve avoided being assasinated by the medical staff

              No plough hogs lately eddy?—why’s that?

              Have they gone off you?
              you should turn on the charm more

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Are you nuts norm? Never insult a plough hog…. they are powerful giant beasts … human steam rollers…

              Fear the Big Beasts… Stay well clear

              How’s Super Snatch – any new diseases?

          • cheese

            if you know the legal procedures involved in suing a 5 year old, i would appreciate it

            • Fast Eddy says:

              You’d have better luck suing the DOD for your vax induced brain injury

            • Cheese can cause nightmares says:

              Worst of all is that our hostess doesn’t put a stop to it and delete the libellous comments.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Nobody wants Infotainment and Elevator on Music on OFW.

              norm has a purpose in life — and on OFW — let him do his job and accept the beatings. He enjoys it

            • I would like that too cheese

              the constant pedo obsession just makes OFW look weird’ (at best) to first timers looking in.

              Women in particular just leave

              I stick with it because OFW used to somewhere where there could be differences of opinion without the constant s ex thing bandied around

              (check the archives)

      • OFW is the only safe place where eddy can hide his fears and inadequacies and obsessions under a cloak of righteousness.

        the real world is terrifying—hence ‘plough hogs’ to describe people of the opposite sex. (denigration of women is very common among men who are scared of them)

        screaming matches about (not at) police who pull him over for a minor traffic offence.

        (imaginary) yelling at med staff at the local clinic. (trying to kill him).

        anyone who disagrees with his loonytoon thinking must be a pedo. ( A Musk wannabe?)

        Anyone reading up on his Tommy Robinson’ hero will find that he too has been prosecuted for making false accusations against innocent people. Standing outside the home of the journalist who exposed him with a megaphone, screaming ”pedo” stuff.
        And this is Eddy’s shining light?

        Everything controversial is ‘fake’—anything to get attention. Childlike—most children grow up and grow out of it.
        The faux-obscenities—scared to use naughty words. Uses ‘numbers instead’–(more hiding from reality)

        All an open book—easy to read, stuck in the timewarp of the pre-teen. all I can offer is sympathy.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          You are just bitter cuz Fast never hooked you up with the splendid Doris…

          Sour grapes norm…

          How’s your pedo mates at the House of Biden?

  17. Fast Eddy says:

    In response to Herbie Ficklestein.:

    The Apollo missions marked the first event where humans traveled through the Van Allen belts, which was one of several radiation hazards known by mission planners. The astronauts had low exposure in the Van Allen belts due to the short period of time spent flying through them. Astronauts’ overall exposure was actually dominated by solar […]

    How many people believe this?

    All MORE-ONS will believe this ….cuz… they are… of Extremely Low IQ and deficient of horse power … to the point of being … Mentally Ill

    • Lastcall says:

      Never mind the Van Allen belts…

      ‘The surface of the moon in areas getting sunlight can be as hot as 253.4 degrees Fahrenheit (123° C). Keep in mind that water boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit (100° C). The average daytime temperature of the moon is 224.6 degrees Fahrenheit (107° C). The Far Side of the Moon. The far side of the moon that is without sunlight is extremely frigid.’

      ‘The surface of the Moon is baldly exposed to cosmic rays and solar flares, and some of that radiation is very hard to stop with shielding. Furthermore, when cosmic rays hit the ground, they produce a dangerous spray of secondary particles right at your feet. All this radiation penetrating human flesh can damage DNA, boosting the risk of cancer and other maladies. ‘

      They are only going to measure radiation now..
      ‘ “Not only will we measure the radiation, we will use plastics that mimic human tissue to look at how these highly energetic particles penetrate and interact with the human body,” says Spence, who is the Principal Investigator for CRaTER.’

      and..
      German researchers suggest shelters built of moon dirt — readily available material — for stays of more than a few days. The walls should be 80 centimeters (about 2 1/2 feet) thick, they said. Any thicker and the dirt will emit its own secondary radiation, created when galactic cosmic rays interact with the lunar soil..

      Don’t you wish we hadn’t lost that spacesuit technology from the early days, then we could survive the melting fuel ponds with a quick shop at Walmart or somewhere….

      • Fast Eddy says:

        hahaha…

        Of course this contraption could handle all that

        F789 me… the stooopidity is epic… no wonder they injected the Rat Juice… dummmmb as stumps

        https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/lunar-module-on-the-moon-stocktrek.jpg

        • back on the old sevens, eights and nines and vowel overdose again eddy?

          pity the english language isn’t under copyright—then somebody could sue

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Here we go … ‘we must solve this challenge before we send people through this region of space’

        NASA said it …

        You see this is how utterly f789ing stooopid most people are …. they can watch this clip and they will STILL insist we did this in the 60’s.

        There is only one solution to deal with such a species… a species that dings a bell on Wall St to celebrate accelerated plunder… kill it… kill every last human.

        There can be no other solution

        https://youtu.be/4O5dPsu66Kw?t=183

        • Kowalainen says:

          How are you supposed to get a mundane Rapacious Primate moving if it wasn’t for some sort of distraction, cope and hope?

          And people wonder why there is wars and world hunger? Yes indeed:

          Hypers gonna hyper
          MOARons gonna moaron.
          Tryhards gonna tryhard.
          (etc.)

          Cuz? Yes indeed:
          SUCKS TO BE THEM!
          Have compassion.

          🤣👍👍

  18. Fast Eddy says:

    In response to Herbie Ficklestein.:

    The Apollo missions marked the first event where humans traveled through the Van Allen belts, which was one of several radiation hazards known by mission planners. The astronauts had low exposure in the Van Allen belts due to the short period of time spent flying through them. Astronauts’ overall exposure was actually dominated by solar […]

    Well, Fast Eddie asked and that’s NASA’s explaining it. I can’t determine if it’s possible or not, I’m no scientist.
    I don’t have the inclination to probe further…
    I was alive around ten years old when it was done watching on a little black and white TV set and thought it was no big deal agreeing with Withnail why go there in the first place!

    hahahahaha…

  19. Dennis L. says:

    Inflation/deflation:

    Tesla cuts price

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/tesla-cuts-model-s-and-x-prices-stoke-us-demand-amid-ev-price-war-threats

    Tesla is excellent at manufacturing, extruding the front and back chassis is brilliant. Have read somewhere these EVs are becoming cheaper than IC.

    This is huge for the auto industry, they have sunk costs in manufacturing various auto parts along with suppliers. Tesla does much in house, very efficient. A guess is they fire the bottom 5-10% on an continuous basis.

    Got to give traditional manufactures credit, they get people to purchase >$60K trucks which get better fuel economy than one might guess. I rent Uhaul pickups on occasion, they are fairly efficient, perhaps 20mpg not loaded. Things are a pain to drive in large cities and park.

    Dennis L.

  20. Student says:

    (Corriere della Sera)

    …Laboriously trying to create a new narrative that will scare people on airline flights and keep them at home…

    ”In-flight turbulence, here’s why serious accidents are increasing with climate change
    In the past week, three planes have crashed into each other at high altitude: one person died and 27 were injured. Experts say this turbulence will triple.”

    https://www.corriere.it/cronache/23_marzo_06/turbolenze-volo-ecco-perche-il-cambiamento-climatico-stanno-aumentando-incidenti-gravi-3e1ba6da-bc01-11ed-9045-076b9cc27837.shtml

    ”What is the safest place in an airplane in case of an accident? An analysis of fifty crashes in the U.S., Europe, and the rest of the world: statistics show a higher probability of survival in the seats at the rear of the fuselage”

    https://www.corriere.it/cronache/23_febbraio_18/qual-posto-piu-sicuro-aereo-caso-incidente-50278fc8-ae3d-11ed-be01-4ad1caac0110.shtml

    • Student says:

      At the moment the deadline is one article per month.
      They need to lay low… 😀

    • Art Lepic says:

      It’s been known for a while that the tail section of airplanes is the safest. Just by looking at plane crash sites one can see that it often breaks off and remains relatively intact.

      Everytime I book a seat in person and ask for a seat as far in the back as possible, airline people give me a strange look, because it’s also the noisiest and stinkiest part of the plane, due to the toilets. Yet it’s also the part where seats are the last booked, so one can often enjoy empty seats to lay down.
      There for my daily Sheldon Cooper moment.

      • lol yes

        why do so few notice that

        rear centre seat at the back–almost always get 3 seats to yourself–then just stretch out and sleep.

        great

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Why would anyone want to survive? Surely it would be considered a blessing to be eliminated from this shit show?

  21. Fast Eddy says:

    In San Francisco, if you don’t wear a mask, they can put you in prison

    The good news is that after they put you in prison, you aren’t required to wear a mask.

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/in-san-francisco-if-you-dont-wear

    • Rodster says:

      What’s even better is, you can blatantly shoplift/steal just under $1000 worth of merchandise while the store owner is watching you in SF and you only get a misdemeanor fine. That’s western values for you !

  22. Fast Eddy says:

    Feds Race to Make Vaccine! (In 2003. To SARS. Using gene splicing. Like the protein prongs that stick out of the virus. They know the risks!)

    “Developing a vaccine often takes a couple of decades…but the federal government is aiming to develop a SARS vaccine in just 3-years..although some question whether a SARS vaccine is even possible”

    One approach is using gene-splicing to make plenty of SARS virus parts, such as the protein prongs that stick out from the virus, giving it a crown-like appearance under a microscope. Injecting these proteins — but not the virus itself — may be enough to prompt the immune system to recognize the SARS virus.

    Wired, MAY 28, 2003, reprinting the AP

    Promo Code: Fast Eddy

    Welp. It took them a while to run the mass experiment, but they sure as shit got there, didn’t they?

    The Monster keeps grinding. Hard working Monster Productions.

    They tell you. They do it. They have naive simps and gaslighting rich people all along the way to slow your roll and cool the marks.

    Are you seeing it now? Do you see it all coming together?

    Have I persuaded you why you cannot, will not, get this from your corporate news and favorite Hero Talking head?

    https://sagehana.substack.com/p/feds-race-to-make-vaccine-in-2003

    • Student says:

      Interesting. Sorry, I miss the the reference to ‘promo code’… please let me know the meaning. thank you

      • eKnock says:

        That’s a Sagehanaism.
        Sagehana is a great sarcastic rant that covers the current depopulation agenda with much manipulation of the English language.
        “promo code” is a statement of recognition for someone’s contribution to the cause.
        Thanks Sage and FE. Keep up the good work.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Crediting FE for alerting them to this article

  23. Fast Eddy says:

    Feds Race to Make Vaccine! (In 2003. To SARS. Using gene splicing. Like the protein prongs that stick out of the virus. They know the risks!)

    “Developing a vaccine often takes a couple of decades…but the federal government is aiming to develop a SARS vaccine in just 3-years..although some question whether a SARS vaccine is even possible”

    One approach is using gene-splicing to make plenty of SARS virus parts, such as the protein prongs that stick out from the virus, giving it a crown-like appearance under a microscope. Injecting these proteins — but not the virus itself — may be enough to prompt the immune system to recognize the SARS virus.

    Wired, MAY 28, 2003, reprinting the AP

    Promo Code: Fast Eddy

    https://sagehana.substack.com/p/feds-race-to-make-vaccine-in-2003

    • Rodster says:

      Not to be outdone, TPTB have decided to inject livestock and the food supply with mRNA tech. Lovely, knowing they want to reduce the human population.

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  25. thinking-turtle says:

    Thanks for this interesting article! You write “The big danger … is that the economy will start losing complexity.”

    Much like humans, economies are born, grow up, and eventually die. Older economies are organized for the past. They can only adapt in small ways, and only by adding more complexity. They eventually lose out to newborn economies that are organized for the present.

    It looks like the change in energy availability might be the change that enables younger economies to overtake ours. Our loss will be balanced against the birth of the new.

    • Back when interest rates rose in the 1970s, insurance companies that wrote liability insurance had a lot of outstanding claims that they indirectly backed with bonds issued at low interest rates. When interest rates rose, the value of these bonds dropped precipitously. Insurance accounting hides this problem by allowing companies to carry the bonds at “amortized cost.” But as a practical matter, it meant that the investment portfolio had a lot of low interest rate bonds in it. It could not provide a very good credit for expected interest earnings in the rates provided to new policy holders. This meant that these companies were handicapped going forward, even if insurance accounting temporarily hid their problem.

      There was a big growth in new insurance companies, and in consulting companies to provide services to these new insurance companies, in the late 1970s. These companies could provide lower rates on medical malpractice liability policies and on other types of liability insurance than the big companies that had been writing coverage previously with their locked in low interest rates. The reason I know about this is I worked in consulting in Medical Malpractice. I regularly saw financial statements of these companies. Some of the big companies merged, or were bought out at low prices because of the problems that the shift from low interest rates to high interest rates caused.

      Inflation tended to inflate the cost of liability claims, long after the policies were written, since if a lawsuit wasn’t settled until, say, six years after a malpractice injury took place, the jury would set awards based on costs at the time of the award, not at the time of the injury. Re-evaluation of outstanding liability on old claims was therefore another drag on the earnings of the the big old insurance companies writing this coverage.

  26. Student says:

    In relation to point [8]:

    ‘U.S. media: Von der Leyen will meet with Biden, imminent sanctions on China’
    https://www.txtreport.com/business/2023-03-05-u-s–media–von-der-leyen-will-meet-with-biden–imminent-sanctions-on-china.r1z9U0ZJ3.html

    ‘Von der Leyen and Biden could also discuss possible US sanctions on China…’
    https://euobserver.com/agenda/156783

    (in case of no account of euobserver it is possible to see the above phrase with a normal internet research)

    My impression is that now, about sanctions, it is China’s turn.

    • dkinbj says:

      Things are simmering nicely.

      Sanctions on China; Alex (the Duran) reporting that the west is moving towards a war-time economy to “defeat the evil Putin”® while the NATO claims it’s not a party to the war…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeJbmuRfvbo

      Well, good luck with that when the US Strategic Petroleum Reserve fell by 37% in 2022, from 594million bbls to 372million bbls, and based on what is discussed at OFW, it’s not clear how it can be refilled – esp. with China and Saudi’s huge petroyuan deal at the end of last year.

      https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCSSTUS1&f=M

      If all else fails, there’s always the nuclear option I suppose.
      The divergence between reality and “the woke wonderland narrative” is astonishing to behold.
      The US/UK/EU = Clown world.

      • Ed says:

        The semiconductor lithography conference just ended in San Jose, California. No Chinese were allowed to attend. But the conference chair drove to the conference in a Chinese electric car. Yup, clown world.

        • Withnail says:

          Really silicon chips are far less important than things like steel, cement, trucks and diesel fuel.

          • Jan says:

            We run Chinese solar panels, including the respective electronic parts, and they are amazingly well engeneered and manufactured. We decided for Chinese products at a comparable price as European or US products did not provide what we wanted, for example standby consumption was much lower. They are sturdy and reliable. The service was amazing and the manuals well structured and comprehensive.

            If that applies to the quality of other technologies the advantage of the West might not be overwhelming.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              You’ve wasted good money that could have been spent on lap dances and blow

              The PR Team feeds hopium to the mob — and they lap it up — cuz otherwise despair.

              You are being played. Feel free to lash out … I expect it

              That is what people do when given Truth

            • I can believe that the Chinese can do quite well at some things. Thanks for your information.

    • Rodster says:

      China has had enough warnings that they were next on the US Neocon’s hit list, once they were done with Russia. The Neocon’s running the US government live just to have enemies to hate. They won’t stop until every Nation bows down at their feet. It’s what Empire’s of the past have all done. The United States is NO different.

      However, if we are going by world history alone, the US day’s as a global bully are coming to an end. This is how it always ends.

      • Jan says:

        On the Munich Security Conference was said, if NATO allowed Russia to occupy Crimea, the role of the US as an international watchguard will be gone.

        One might add, that the watchguard role made the resource countries sell their values on the free markets, instead of getting larger benefits with bilateral longtime contracts. Iran, for example, managed to sell their resources to China, which means on the other hand not only military protection. What could small countries like Austria offer? The reward of the Americans was the advantage through the Dollar. And if the Dollar fails due to energetic and economic decline?

        The fall of the US empire would change the Richardian paradigm completely!

        Now China has declared to support Russia, India is likely on the Russian side. Apparently Bill Gates himself tries on location to achieve a turn after German chancellor Gates has failed.

        To me it seems obvious that to break up Russia along ethno-religious lines aims to get the Russian resources into European hands. Aserbajdjan already has association contracts with EU.

        But that would require a hot war, not only sanctions to isolate the economies for a fall of the Dollar. 330 mio + 445 mio people don’t necessarily need to win a war against 145 mio + 1.4 bio + 1.4 bio people – Middle East excluded.

        What would happen, if NATO had not only to accept the Russian ‘invasion’ – the Russian Black Sea Forces have been stationed on Crimea since the 17th century – but if NATO even loses WW3?

  27. postkey says:

    According to Chris Wong commenting at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oToGOk7sHdQ&lc=UgwOdhLCImccyvTC-Oh4AaABAg.9mtUJiDkiyT9mtkTLKH6xZ

    “and this time, thanks to Joe Biden war, China just sign up for long term, cheap energy and raw material for the next 20 years for manufacturing. With China friendship in developing Nations in So. America, Africa, Middle East, So Asia. China, India, So. Africa, Brazil and Russia aka BRICS are in position for the future, thanks to US American 2020 voters”?

    • I have read recently that China is locking in long-term contracts LNG, including with the United States. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-becomes-worlds-biggest-lng-buyer-flurry-long-term-deals

      I know that a lot of the debt relationships between other countries and China are predicated on the export of cheap raw materials can be provided in return. So I expect that what is said, is true.

      One issue is that there is a question of whether the cheap energy and raw materials will really be available. Even if they are not, this gives China the “upper hand” over Europe and poor countries in getting these minerals.

      Another issue is that with so much of future output locked up to go to China, the rest of the world is at a disadvantage.

      • Jef Jelten says:

        “Another issue is that with so much of future output locked up to go to China, the rest of the world is at a disadvantage.”

        US foreign policy over the last 50+ years has been all about preventing exactly this and not just with China but with the RoW too. China secures these resources to sell to the RoW including the US, at least as long as they can afford it.

        Now you know why US/NATO is at war with Russia and soon China

  28. I AM THE MOB says:

    German ice cream parlor introduces cricket-flavored scoops

    https://nypost.com/2023/03/04/cricket-flavored-ice-cream-goes-on-sale-in-german-town/

    Hope ya like your bugs on ice!

    • drb753 says:

      Were the crickets purged, or is it a probiotic rich ice cream?

    • Cheese can cause nightmares says:

      I prefer cockroach curry myself. It’s an absolute delicacy.

    • Jan says:

      EU administration has allowed several insects as additives for everyday products, such as bread and cookies, soups and soup cubes, readymade meals, yoghurt and milkpowder, snacks and potatoe product, chocolates and muesli bars, seasoned meat, sausages and meat products. The advantage for the consumer for such a hidden distribution is not apparent. The official narrative says there are 30% of energy savings compared to chicken protein. Why seasoned meat needs to be protein enriched by some percent of the spice mixture stays unexplained. The ingredient must be declared but open sold bread does not need any declaration and it is unclear if false declarations are
      enforced by penalty.

      A lot of people are upset about the regulations and alledgedly sales of chocolate products and yoghurt have deteriorated.

      I assume a symbolic act as for a lot of religions the consumation of insects makes impure.

      I have written a request to a large supermarket chain and they replied kindly that in the current situation they are trying not to sell any enriched product at all but they cannot guarantee for it. The recommend to buy store brands as they can control ingredients better.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        There have always been thresholds for bugs.. rat shit etc in grains … it’s impossible to keep them out

        • Cromagnon says:

          Every summer I capture a couple of bushels of grasshoppers from the hayfields. Kill them by immersing in boiling water. Deep fried in oil they taste like nutty popcorn.

          • Ed says:

            I would never have guessed that people do this.

            • Art Lepic says:

              After learning that monkeys go absolutely ape for termites, I tried popping them alive with my beer when the males massively fly out of the ground at the begining of the rain season.

              Well guess what, it’s absolutely delicious, nutty and slightly salty. I’ll take that over any processed snack. Giant silkworm pupae aren’t bad either, a bit like omelet with meat sauce, but the small fried ones eaten with the membrane are too bitter for me.

              Yet I think nobody should unwillingly eat bugs or be forced to do it.

          • Tim Groves says:

            That does it for me.

            I hate nutty popcorn!

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Psychological studies have suggested that path.

        > The Germans reported higher willingness to eat the processed insect-based foods compared to the unprocessed foods. Further results revealed that low scores for food neophobia, positive taste expectations, high scores for social acceptance and experiences with eating insects in the past were significant predictors of consumers’ willingness to eat insects in both countries. Consequently, the introduction of insects as a food source in Western societies seems more likely to succeed if insects are incorporated into familiar food items, which will reduce neophobic reactions and negative attitudes towards insect-based foods.

        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0950329315001044

        The psychology of eating insects: A cross-cultural comparison between Germany and China (2015)

        • Withnail says:

          It’s a non issue that serves to distract people from the reality of what will actually happen, which is nothing at all on the shelves, no fridges running and no lights on.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Entomophagy has some ‘pros’ that may appeal to ‘green’ sensibilities, but it does require as much energy use as livestock.

      “As insects are cold-blooded animals they need to get heat from the outside. In nature, the sun takes care of that. However, Indoor insect farming needs a lot of energy.”

      https://www.eatcrickster.com/images/5be9653e1634405ddcc0e688_Edible%20insects%20vs%20livestock%20infographic.webp

  29. Harry says:

    Thank you for this brilliant article. A skillful journey from the fundamental nature of our dilemma to current events.

    So if I understand it correctly, it will probably come down to the fact that we will see strongly fluctuating energy prices in the future.
    And with that, wildly fluctuating prices for everything and wildly fluctuating inflation or even brief periods of DEflation?

    So we’re coming into a period of oscillation.
    Of course, that makes it insanely difficult for the economy to adjust. And it will also be difficult for private individuals. In principle, longer-term planning (of whatever) is no longer possible.
    For me, that would mean staying as flexible as possible in principle and acting anti-cyclically whenever possible.

    The big question, however, will be to what extent the state will react to this. In the EU, we have long seen a clear trend toward more centralization, bureaucracy, more monitoring and control.

    In Germany, the state is getting more and more out of hand.
    It is interfering more and more in the private concerns of citizens. Farmers are to produce less, advertising for butter and cheese is to be stopped, oil and gas heating systems are soon not to be installed at all, a gigantic (old) building stock is to be better insulated in the next few years and equipped with new types of heating (high proportion of renewable energies) and one wonders: where is the owners’ money supposed to come from for this? It costs a lot of money. And where are all the skilled workers who could do it at all?
    One already hears terms like “expropriations”.
    According to the government’s plan, we have to build 3-5 wind turbines every day, which is simply absurd.
    In addition, the ever-expanding migration permanently aggravates the housing situation.

    I suspect that due to the lack of energy, the free market economy is increasingly being replaced by a centralized state and planned economy. So there is more unpredictability and arbitrariness of the state ahead of us…

    • Jan says:

      A central steering is less efficiant than a self-organising system.

      • Jef Jelten says:

        Efficient at what though, destroying all life on the planet?

        • Withnail says:

          We are not destroying all life on the planet and are not capable of doing so.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            If we continue on this trajectory (we won’t) we’d pave the planet over….and turn it into a giant parking lot with shopping malls and apartment buildings.

            Because we are intelligent

  30. I AM THE MOB says:

    IMO are some suggestions, that could help.

    Ban personal travel between cities.

    Mandate you can only drive 15 mins around your city area. And interstates are only for busses and essential transportation (semis, UPS, etc).

    So, if you lived in Chicago and wanted to travel to Detroit. You would have to take a train or bus. That’s it.

    And ban most private flying, only use air for commercial and emergency.

    Also, make all public transportation free to city residents. Including all E-bikes and E-scooters.

    • there’s no such thing as a ‘free’ anything

      free transport has to be paid for by someone—somewhere, which means the taxpayer—ie ‘you’

      I suspect you would soon start screaming about that.

      your taxes cannot be produced without profitable employment.—if there is a ban on movement then employment will crash catastrophically—so no taxation

      commercial flying is only possible through the subsidy of ‘leisure’ flying.–if aircraft could only be produced for ‘commerce’–they would cost ten times as much—the same applies to trucks, roads, and everything else that makes our transport system work—particularly fuel.

      if fuel could only be sold for commercial purposes, the fuel supply system would shut down. (that would probably cost 10x as much too.)

      You are advocating a ‘command’ economy. Its been tried before, and has never worked.

      just offering some real-world thinking, nothing more.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Thank you.

        Dennis L.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        norm is alive… great … now FE does not have to address a corpse with taunts and mockery!

      • Jef Jelten says:

        Pandora papers
        Paradise Papers
        Panama Papers

        I am certain that these three whistleblower documents are only the tip of the iceberg of tax doggers.

        Add up the trillions of dollars being hidden “offshore” and tax them at 60% like we used to and we could easily pay for all of those “free” things.

        Also there is no such thing as a free market and capitalism has been tried over and over and has never worked.

  31. el mar says:

    Fabio Vighi only has to replace the labor factor with the energy factor in his model.
    Then his model is correct:

    https://rumble.com/v2b4akc-endless-emergency-the-lockdown-model-for-a-system-on-life-support-prof-fabi.html

    “Fabio has published several books, his most recent is “Unworkable: Delusion of an Imploding Civilization” (2022).
    His current research focuses on the ideology of ’emergency capitalism’ in connection with the analysis of global challenges currently faced by the capitalist mode of production.”

    Saludos

    el mar

  32. Ed says:

    Eddy, have we no dead covid czars? Spokes persons?

  33. Ed says:

    Trump in his speech at CPAC proposes massive increase in fossil fuel exploration, extraction and use. He calls FFs safe and cheap. He also calls for building 10 new Freedom Cities on federal land from scratch. New concrete, new steel, new every thing. He says it will offer houses at prices affordable to young people.

    It is morning in America again.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/PuxilmRkrnW5/

    • Stellarwind72 says:

      It looks like Trump needs to read Our Finite World.

    • Isaiah says:

      Why leaders deny peak oil and limits to growth. https://energyskeptic.com/2021/climate-change-deniers/.

      • Replenish says:

        She’s pretty biased towards conservatives and the slow progress of democracy in responding to peak oil and the necessary drastic changes in standards of living and consumption? She gives a pass to elite intellectuals and scientists who shy away from mention of peak oil in mainstream circles to maintain relevance while patiently waiting for the monster to rear its head. She goes as far as describing conservative resistance to change as a form of disability. She tip toes around and generalizes when criticizing liberals. I wonder if like many other energy skeptics she criticizes dissent to globalist, authoritarian policies as conspiracy while extolling the virtues of progress and cooperation in pushing Covid lockdowns and experimental psychology and medicine. I wonder if she gains hope for the flowers by witnessing the suffering of the prized Social Democracies of Europe and peripheral countries in MENA? Does she recognize the US/NATO sanctions and UKR-RUS war as an experiment in de-industrialization and multipolar alliances to mitigate energy debt complexity spiral. Who does she think is going to hunt for game, grow the food, teach reuse/salvage and dig the trenches in a low energy, subsistence-based society?

  34. Mirror on the wall says:

    Russia and China are getting ever tighter.

    Much as Gail says, the ‘lines’ between camps are being drawn for potential future conflict, and certainly for a financial challenge to USA hegemony.

    China has a massive industrial productive capacity that USA and EU would not be able to match in any war, so USA might as well forget about a war with China. A ‘complexity’-based economy would be no match against opponents with actual energetic and other resources, and actual production capacities.

    USA hoped to take out Russia before moving onto China, but it looks set to lose in UKR, and Russia and China are teaming up. It is really not working out for NATO.

    Europe has already cut itself off from its major energy supplier, and it would cut itself off from its main export market, not to mention supply lines, if it ‘sanctioned’ China. Europe stands to do particularly badly out of all this. USA is also heavily dependent on imports and supply lines from China.

    The whole thing looks like a humungous NATO blunder, an absolutely astonishing fiasco. Hopefully USA and Europe will have the sense to back away from conflict with China.

    > China and Russia align to challenge collective west

  35. Fast Eddy says:

    They must believe they are past the Rubicon to allow this:

    “Deploy the the New Variant” – Should the Police be investigating charges of Terrorism?

    Leaked WhatsApp messages from former Health Secretary, Matt Hancock

    As I have mentioned previously, the Telegraph newspaper (a conservative leaning British daily broadsheet) has been given access to tens of thousands of WhatsApp messages sent to or from Matt Hancock, the health secretary in the UK, during the pandemic. They have named these ‘The Lockdown Files’, in an obvious attempt to ride the ‘Twitter Files’ wave.

    Whilst this is inevitably a limited hangout, where we get outraged about the things reported and ignore even more scandalous wrongdoings, Matt is being thrown under the bus and as I can’t stand the man, I am still enjoying the leaks.

    One of today’s stories looks at messages from December 2020 where Matt discusses changing behaviours in the UK. On 13 December 2020, in an exchange with civil servant, Damon Poole, Matt says “We frighten the pants of everyone with the new strain”. Damon replies “Yep that’s what will get proper bahviour (sic) change” to which Matt says, “When do we deploy the new variant?”

    https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/deploy-the-the-new-variant-should

    • Foolish Fitz says:

      No Rubicon to pass Eddy.

      This was all planned in advance.

      Much like Desmet.

      A controlled demolition.

      Isabel Oakeshott has championed the covid cult from day one. She wrote Hancock’s book for him and we’re supposed to believe he gave her that file because he trusted her not to leak it.
      Seriously?

      An amusing take on it⬇️

      https://twitter.com/TheEyes2022/status/1632343768060895234?s=20

      • David says:

        Maybe we are intended to trust UK politicians less and to clamour for the WHO to take over the work.

        Three shady characters from the ‘COVID UK’ soap opera have already been appointed to jobs at the WHO: Prof. Susan Michie (UCL, a millionaire Marxist); Sir Jeremy Farrar (Wellcome Trust, and leading light in the ‘pandemic industry’) and Sir Chris Whitty (formerly Chief Medical Officer). So expect them to lecture the world, not just Brits., whenever the next ‘virus’ escapes / is leaked / appears from wild animals.

  36. Fast Eddy says:

    Philippines: Excess Mortality Hit 123%

    Filipinos saw their highest excess mortality rate on record 6 months post vaccine rollout.

    https://texaslindsay.substack.com/p/philippines-excess-mortality-hit

    F789 Yeah!

    • Yorchichan says:

      What is this “excess mortality” that is often bandied about? By definition average excess mortality is zero, so an increase in excess mortality of 123% is still zero.

      Or is it mortality that has increased by 123%? A more than doubling of the death rate? Hard to believe. Now that would really be something.

      • Student says:

        Excess mortality is a comparison of mortality of an year in relation to the average mortality of the previous years (usually 5/10), it is normally expressed with a percentage which can be positive or negative. Normally it is specified what is the timeframe of the comparison.

        • Tim Groves says:

          So, for example, if a hundred people died on the average each year for the past decade in a district, and we were expecting 100 people to have died last year, but the ratio of deaths increased by 123%, this means there were 223 deaths in the district last year?

          • drb753 says:

            no. if my longer comment is published you should be able to see it. excess mortality is inherently volatile as it depends predominantly on how bad this year’s flu has been. I think in 1988 (particularly bad flu year) we had higher excess mortality than in , say, 2020.

            Roughly, if 110 people died last year (100+10 due to an average flu) 123 people will have died this year to obtain the 123% increase.

            • Jigisup says:

              Excess mortality has a very slight and very predictable seasonal rhythm. Far from being “volatile” it is actually the exact opposite of that which is why the insurance companies are so fond of it in regard to life insurance. Do you actually think that people like Edward Dowd who make there living off statistics would attempt to misrepresent events that exceed ten sigma that correlate with the injections? Your post seemingly informed is blatantly incorrect. I will never trust anything you post again. The excess deaths shown in longer term graphs in the link below clearly show the consistent and reliable amount of excess deaths that is the the norm and the extreme increase aberrations that correlate to the injections.

              https://healthfeedback.org/what-can-explain-the-excess-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-europe-in-2022/

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Nice smack down… hahaha… knock out punch

            • good to see you still punching your weight eddy

              I have an air-filled punchbag you might like eddy

            • drb753 says:

              It seems you are badly misinformed. Note that in longer comment I state that after vaxxes we have excess mortality every month, just like the article you linked to. Perhaps your understanding of english is lacking?

      • drb753 says:

        Excess mortality is, essentially, the mortality above a model. The model euromomo uses and I think everyone uses is sinusoidal, with a crest in winter nd trough in summer. This model fits the data remarkably well, except during flu season and to a lesser extent during heat waves in summer, when more people die. So excess mortality is almost always positive. There never was any excess mortality in spring and fall, at least since euromomo started publishing data in 2008. essentially all excess mortality is this year’s flu (or covid).

        since early 2021there is excess mortality four seasons a year, clearly related to the vaccine. Excess mortality is of the order 6% of total mortality now in Europe, but since normally excess mortality is 1-6% of total mortality, averaging between 2 and 3%, you get a bunch of delusional idiots who are clinging to their self importance state that excess mortality has doubled. It doubles normally when the flu season is a bit stronger (it is a number that varies a lot year to year).

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Correct – the normal death rate has doubled and then some

        Fantastic hahaha.

        It’s the new normal!!!

        But unless BBCCNN tell the MORE-ONS to get uppity about this … they won’t mind… it’s long covid – right norm hahahahaha

        Fortunately I am unembedding myself from this clown show tomorrow afternoon and returning to my hermit kingdom goat ranch and can once again mostly avoid this shit show.

        I have learned one new skill however… hey google – turn that f789ing radio off…

        When I am forced to see how most people live … and experience it … I really do feel like a farm animal… I feel a twinge of despair creeping in .. time to exit

  37. Fast Eddy says:

    hahaha https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/why-is-us-senator-diane-feinstein

    Diseased! She can join Super Snatch — out back… The Dumpster!

    • Ed says:

      GOP pols ask for proof of life from Senator Fetterman.
      https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3364300

    • Student says:

      It is now well known that the monkeypox emergency was created to cover the typical adverse event of the covid vaccination which is actually herpes zoster has described here:

      https://www.byoblu.com/2022/08/08/monkeypox-e-herpes-zoster-due-nomi-diversi-per-lo-stesso-problema/

      In my little experience I have various friends and relatives who now suffer of herpes zoster skin rash after their covid vaccination.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I spent a few days with family members with small multi Rat Juiced kids… one of them has been missing big days at school due to cold/flu-like symptoms…

        They are extremely frustrated by the situation.

        One parent blames this on too much sports activity — the other blames it on weakened immunity due to the lockdowns.

        norm I know you’d recommend more boosters but they are aware that I am a Big Time anti Rat Juicer (I am jokingly referred to as the unclean one… hahaha)… so they’d think I was taking the piss.

        I say nothing. What’s done… is done.

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    The Defense Department Controls COVID-19

    Shocking but incontrovertible new data demonstrates that the Department of Defense is at the top of the federal organizational board for operating COVID-19. Internal U.S. documents are confirming this. Sasha Latypova, formerly a Research & Development expert for the world’s largest and meanest drug companies, has been looking in depth at the evidence and the consequences of these discoveries about DoD control over COVID—all in the service of our global masters.

    https://www.brighteon.com/80e53888-96ce-4754-aaa3-2aee7ee14d6b

  39. Hubbs says:

    Complexity? BINGO!

    My younger brother sent this email to me and my other brothers- all mechanical engineers.

    “Credit to Jeep for making what people want. They must make a ton of $ on these. Ditto Ford Bronco. I don’t know why they don’t increase production.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZLEJ6YSOSc

    My youngest brother who works at Fiat Chrysler Motors in Michigan in engineering design replied:
    “As gas hogs, these Jeeps adversely impact the corporate average fuel economy, and as a result their sales volumes have to be carefully controlled. For every one sold, the company needs to sell many hybrid vehicles and EVs to generate offsetting CO2 credits. Not long ago we used to BUY these credits from Tesla to stay in compliance, but not anymore.

    Consequently car companies have to resort to annoying engineering tricks in order to eek out extra TENTHs of a mile per gallon. For example, stop-start, CVT, 10-spd transmission, turbocharger, movable air dams, hybrid assists, PHEVs, etc. These are things most people don’t REALLY want, but they put up with them because they want to avoid the gas guzzler tax, regardless of whether it’s explicitly stated on the sticker or built in to the selling price as a cost of doing business in a regulated environment.”

    I have a Lexus RX350 2010 with 150K miles, well taken care of. Has the straight V-6 engine. I now reaIize it will outlast any of this newer complex junk being sold. Glad I didn’t sell it!
    My two cents reply to my brother as I am a not an engineer:

    “@17:15 “the engine was designed around this turbo.” Says it all. Doomed to failure @ 100K. Even as a layman with no special knowledge, I know that the engine from the start is underpowered for what it is designed or really “required” to do. Turbo is a good promo for “selling it.” So sexy. So powerful, so manly.

    Give me a straight V-8 non-turbocharged engine any day of the week. Alas, they are no longer produced. No money in them long term for service repairs, I guess, or by governemnt edict.
    Because you will pay dearly for costly premature overhaul of that “turbo.” Better to spend a few extra hundreds $ on gasoline for the first 100K miles than thousands later on the overhaul.

    “Mega, premium, and turbo” sell, but then cost you big time later.
    I think the Honda CVT and these multi gear transmissions are also a big snow job.

    Tell me bluntly if my impressions are without basis. “

    • Thank you for the comment, Hubbs. I had been suspicious of all the new “stuff” on cars. We bought a ’22 Outback. I wonder how much extra wear and tear the stopping and starting causes, in addition to the turbo. This is a good example of complexity used to solve problems. It sure did not work out well for Diocletian.

  40. Fast Eddy says:

    Now for the big question … after every OFW hiatus….

    Will norm make an appearance….

  41. Stratofortress says:

    Thank you Gail for your continued analyses through the years. I’d love your thoughts on https://www.statista.com/statistics/788540/energy-consumption-of-google/ and any comments on how the consumption of energy needed to grow the complexity of these aforementioned Internet systems will play out in coming conflicts.

  42. ivanislav says:

    US kicked out of Afghanistan and Russia moves in to develop energy resources:
    https://tass.com/economy/1585047

    What a turn of events since the USSR’s quagmire in Afghanistan.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      and looking at Figure 5, I see the PPP GDP per capita for Russia is over $30,000.

      this is an astounding number, and explains much about the high national popularity of Vlad the Great.

      the world should bestow upon Putin the highest possible honors.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      What are the odds that USA state will start funding/ supporting ISIS in Afghanistan now, like it did in Syria to try to bring down Assad? I am not trying to make a ‘moralistic’ accusation there, and neither does the observation ‘take sides’ per se, but it does look like a moralistic accusation, and the typical ‘plebian’ response will be to assume that a side has thereby been taken.

      Ethics can be conceived as concerned with either law-based conformity (Hesiod) or functional-based virtue (Homer). The latter depends on practical intelligence, which implies flexibility and adaptability, and so things are used according to their usefulness at the time, and so potentially in changeable ways. Their ‘identity’ is simply their contextual usefulness.

      Obviously ‘plebs’ are propagandised into aggressive state geopolitical actions in moralistic ways – eg. ‘our culture’ propaganda, atrocity propaganda – and the practical perspective is avoided in public discourse. ‘Rulers’ are to take practical decisions, and ‘plebs’ are to ‘believe’ and to conform to moralistic state narratives that ‘justify’ aggressive interventions, in so far as they are admitted.

      Likewise, whether such state behaviour is to be appreciated or frowned upon obviously depends on the perspective, law or functional, ‘plebian’ or state. Generally we are expected to virtue-signal in a public moralistic way, even if not in conformity with any particular narrative, but especially with that of the local state. Why anyone would be inclined to ‘support’ states on either basis is another matter.

    • Withnail says:

      It seems Russia is also going to fix Kabul’s heating, water and electrical infrastructure. Something the US was seemingly unable to do in 20 years of ‘aid’ to Afghanistan.

      I think the US built a few miles of road in Afghanistan and that was about it. Plus those big military bases that are empty and useless now.

  43. Doug W. says:

    What is the future of retail and service sectors in the future situation you describe. Those sectors have been declining in large swaths of rural America for decades. The Great Recession in 08-09 accelerated it, and the pandemic has been another leg downward. How does retail adapt?

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      the best adaptation is to sell things that are either essentials or addictions.

      otherwise, there will be inadequate adaptation, followed by the usual historical course leading to bankruptcy.

  44. Fred says:

    Thanks for your work Gail. A few comments:

    GDP has become less useful as a measure, as financial shenanigans in the West have become a primary economic activity.

    In your PPP GDP graph, the US is about double Russia, yet the average Russian has a better quality of life nowadays, because the cost of living for the material basics is lower relative to their wages. There’s also more security in their social structures e.g. public owned infrastructure.

    The US/West overtly states that they want to Balkanise/regime change Russia for its resources. Good luck with that and the opportunities to plunder other countries are reducing. There’s not a lot left to easily steal in many places, so the West is focusing more on exploitation of its own citizens e.g. by plundering their health via COVID.

    Ukraine demonstrates that the industrial base of the West is insufficient to fight a real war, but next they want to go to war with China. Given that China is the factory for many of the West’s essential goods, that doesn’t look like a smart plan.

    Agree regionalisation is likely and is already happening – BRICS, SCO etc. I don’t expect a worldwide collapse, rather country by country, or regional collapses, as the current way of life becomes resource constrained, experiences political/cultural failure, or is “bombed back to the stone age”. That’s normal, refer the Soviet Union, Libya, Iraq, Sri Lanka etc.

    Other parts of the worlds will chug along, likely longer than I’ll be alive.

    Collapse can also mean a big reduction in living standards that are still survivable, rather than Mad Max. I think our consumption levels are 2-4x the 1950s, so we can drop a long way and still function.

    Good podcast with Jim Kunstler and Dmitry Orlov: https://kunstler.com/podcast/kunstlercast-371-dmitry-orlov-on-russia-ukraine-and-the-swirl-of-events/

    • Thanks! I will have to find time to listen to the podcast you mention. They both can make good points.

    • ivanislav says:

      > I think our consumption levels are 2-4x the 1950s, so we can drop a long way and still function.

      Good post. I think it will be a process that drags out at different rates in different places. Civilization will continue a while yet, whether or not the USA and western Europe get clubbed by diminishing energy (as the greatest consumers per capita, currently).

      • Red says:

        1950’s = nothing digital.

        • in the 1950s, world pop was about 2 bn

          theres now 8bn

          that means dropping back to ‘1950s’ levels will see 8bn people after the resources that sustained 2 bn–in other words our resource base pressure will increase x 4

          look at the resource wars now—and think about that.

    • Withnail says:

      You need steel to be a real industrial power (and fight major wars) and you need coking coal to produce steel.

      Coking coal (metallurgical coal) production 2020.

      China 553.7 million tons vs USA 49.8 million tons

      Russia 90.5 million tons vs EU 13.3 million tons

      • ivanislav says:

        Yes, but long-term maybe this is a geopolitically boon to the USA. We got China to use up all their coal while we still have ours underground. Maybe our MIC wargamed it and actually got a real win for once.

        • Withnail says:

          We got China to use up all their coal while we still have ours underground.

          You don’t still have it underground for Christ’s sake. The US peaked in high quality coal production over a century ago.

          Why do you think the American rust belt exists?

          • ivanislav says:

            No, wrong again. We have the most underground:
            https://www.worldometers.info/coal/coal-reserves-by-country/

            Please stop your habit of just making stuff up. Previously you posted that Urals crude was always much cheaper than other grades and I showed you with charts that historically they were nearly identical.

            • Withnail says:

              No, wrong again. We have the most underground:
              https://www.worldometers.info/coal/coal-reserves-by-country/

              What we are talking about here is coal suitable for making coke for steel making, not any other kind of coal.

              It also needs to be economically extractable.

              Your conspiracy theory that the US allowed its steel industry and other heavy industries to largely die because it wanted China to use its own coal up first doesnt make much sense.

              The American industries had collapsed before China really ramped up production.

            • The self-organizing economy may somehow “want” some coal and other fossil fuels to be left in the ground for future generations. We cannot reach them today, the way the economy is organized and the way humans are constructed, but with enough mutations, perhaps they may be extractable by future generations.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              The bigger question is … has the PR Team painted ‘Fast Eddy’ onto the side of a cruise missile and is it scheduled to smash into the Air NZ flight to Auckland tomorrow night.

            • nah

              the control tower would log into OFW, check the one-a-minute reply timings, and come to the conclusion that eddy is too wedded to his kb to be getting up to mischief anywhere else

            • Fast Eddy says:

              norm … why do you hate tommy so much … and love Joe and Hunter?

              asking for everyone on OFW

              (as the VAIDS child sniffles endlessly in the background)

            • Ed says:

              Do you have any info on how much of the US 250 gigatons is in Alaska? Thanks.

            • Ravi Uppal says:

              How do you get it out of the ground when there is no diesel ? The days of pickaxes and shovels have long gone .

            • Fast Eddy says:

              All one has to do is dig a hole in the ground … and watch it fill with water.

              Then apply a bit of common sense to realize .. that coal is gonna stay … in the ground.. when BAU goes

            • Withnail says:

              All one has to do is dig a hole in the ground … and watch it fill with water.

              Then apply a bit of common sense to realize .. that coal is gonna stay … in the ground.. when BAU goes

              You can only get it out if you already have plenty of high quality coal to build and power steam engines to make pumps.

              But you won’t have that.

            • ivanislav says:

              @Withnail, we also have the highest reserves of high quality coal. It’s really easy to find tables of reserves by coal type. Why do you insist on compounding your mistakes? Just use google before making factually incorrect statements.

            • Withnail says:

              we also have the highest reserves of high quality coal. It’s really easy to find tables of reserves by coal type.

              I found a report from 2020 from the US government that told me coking coal in the US is produced in Alabama, Arkansas, Pennsylvania, Virginia , and West Virginia.

              https://pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/ofr20201113

              Historically, coking coal has also been produced in 15 other states (Alaska, Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming), but currently is not.

              Doesn’t sound like there are huge economically viable reserves of coking coal anywhere. Where are you claiming these alleged reserves are and how do you explain the collapse of US heavy (coal based) industry?

    • Ed says:

      The interview with Orlov is superb. Big eye opener.

  45. Rodster says:

    According to ZH, oil Roseneft revenue was down 48% in Feb, ouch. With TPTB wanting to eliminate FF! It should be fun to watch as they see their FF revenue evaporate.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russias-oil-revenues-plunged-48-february

  46. Cromagnon says:

    I think it rather obvious that even a cursory look at the worlds geopolitical situation lends massive credence that we are in a precipitous collapse. I also suspect that world population is either flatlined or declining now. I would not trust any statistics that argue otherwise.
    Our world is going away. On the upside, if collapse is swift enough maybe the coming Miyagi event will not be openly noticed by most of humanity?

    • Remind me what “the coming Miyagi event” is.

      • Mike Roberts says:

        There’s a G7 science and technology meeting there in May, though the main G7 summit is in Hiroshima.

      • Cromagnon says:

        Apologies Gail,….”Miyake” event. Well documented massive irradiation events from the sun. Even Stone Age people “ noticed” them,……aurora Pole to pole and I expect they were using kaolin clays as sunscreen, living in caves and the underground and becoming somewhat nocturnal.

        • Replenish says:

          Thanks. I spent a half an hour researching Miyagi event solar micronova. It did bring back some memories of one of my favorite childhood movies. Karate is here, not here. Lol.

          • Mrs S says:

            I also thought it was something to do with Mr Miyagi.

            Wax on wax off.

            • Cromagnon says:

              Well it sorta does actually.

              Civilization
              “On”
              Civilization
              “Off”

              The sun is a gigantic metronome regulating far more than we puny fire monkeys can grasp. Ra itself is governed by cosmic/electric waves emanating from our galactic core…..who knows what forces drive the great spiral of the Milky Way.

              There is an interesting quote somewhere or other which roughly states,….. why would god make a world filled with so much diversity and beauty only to fill it will dangers and monsters that can kill us?
              Occam’s razor surgically reveals the obvious answer……

              God didn’t make it for us

              Whoever is programming this strange existence has a sense of humor.

              Archons behind every subatomic whatchamacallit!

    • Mike Roberts says:

      Could you point to some features of the geopolitical situation that signals a precipitous collapse is ongoing? If you don’t trust any statistics that suggest something different from your view, how do you validate that view?

      I don’t deny that we may soon witness events which would point to collapse, but I don’t think we’re there yet, in terms of how the average person sees the world.

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        South Africa, Lebanon, Sri Lanka.

        “precipitous” is limited in extent, for now.

        global extent is down the road some, with an unknowable timeline.

        I would guess 2030s, just for laughs.

      • Cromagnon says:

        The “ average person” could lose every damn thing near and dead and still not grasp the larger forces at play.
        We hit peak conventional oil in 2008…… massive money printing and fracking kicked the can. The Archons smiled.
        We hit peak oil energy in 2018….. the jab and really crazy money printing,….. kicked the now tungsten can a few feet,……
        No more can kicking, just trying to ignore can,…… by going to war ( the oldest con in the civilized grab bag)…….

        People are made of oil,….. there are a few delays in feedback but social deviation from normal behaviours due to massive population pressures negate said delays.

        Que the modern, western, delusional, cell phone addicted, sexually neurotic, person……. Populations are far below replacement and aging fast,…….

        The horseman are saddled and now at a trot……

        It is now simply a race between age old ecological regulators and nearly metaphysical controllers of solar outbursts and biblical thunderbolts and inundation .

        • Withnail says:

          People are made of natural gas in solid form (food) transported to them with oil.

  47. CTG says:

    Thanks Gail for the article… There is a source of unlimited energy – hopium

    • I agree that hopium plays a special role in the world. We need to keep demand up. There has to be hope to keep expensive university programs filled, for example.

      • Mrs S says:

        The University where I work, in England, has had a 20% drop in student numbers this year.

        I don’t teach, I do research and my funding is all from outside bodies.

        But still, I can’t help but wonder how long the institution can continue.

        • drb753 says:

          Decline has been just as steep in the US. I can not remember a faculty meeting with good news in the last ten years. Unless the good news are the opening of a new center to study gender identity.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Excellent. Hopefully all universities go bankrupt … woke breeding grounds

      • Dennis L. says:

        I get a feeling many “specialities” are due for sunset. Much/most research cannot be replicated.

        Personally do not like internet learning, but it is cost effective and improving all the time. GPT chat and Zoom will be interesting to watch. Metaverse might yet find a place.

        If one can get the “best” lectures in the world on a given subject, why have a bunch of second stringers?

        Is the college “experience” of sex, drugs, booze and rock and roll really worth the cost?

        Declining enrollment affects college housing which has gone from a very small dorm room to “luxury” apartments in which to enjoy drugs, sex and rock and roll.

        UW graduate, housefellow here where the toughest job was kicking the girls out of the showers with the boys. It started in the sixties.

        Wealthiest people seem to come from about eight colleges. A great deal of networking and excellent choice of parents. On the farm we are very careful with genetics, those that got get, especially genetics. Part of the fabric of the universe. Nature is not deterministic.

        Dennis L.

      • Artleads says:

        But hopium that keeps demand up is very short sighted and militates (word) against realism that gets around (or changes the nature of) demand. There must be some reason why these biblical words still resonate: “Thou shalt not bear false witness” (Thou shalt not lie?) Shutdowns based on a lie are unlikely to produce an improves species.

  48. Agamemnon says:

    I read: Colin Campbell calling global peak in 1990 when it was 60 mmbbl. A continual miss by others as production climbs.
    Ken Defeyes book on Hubbert’s peak is really good but he missed fracking which he later said was a pleasant surprise.(like fracking was known about way before but was off the radar)
    The only thing that we know for sure is that expert predictions are usually wrong.
    Right now it looks like a lower demand issue is trending.
    If peak demand continues down then what does it mean? There would be no scary stuff about no supply. What if it goes to 50 mmbbl for decades? That’s a lot of oil.
    Maybe the peak oil thesis is going to be a long grind.

    • CTG says:

      A lot of people could not see the use of debt as a substitute for energy. Let me give you an example

      If oil is found in very hard to get place, then it because expensive, both physically (needs a lot of money) and energetically. Energetically means that you need a lot of energy to extract the oil.

      Debt masks the “energetically” part. That is what economist always look at when they sort of say “Money can buy everything” when it does not make any sense at all if you need one barrel of oil to extract one barrel of oil.

      It is like planting lettuce. The energy contained inside the lettuce is so much less than the energy that is spent cultivating it. Yes with debt and money, you can grow lettuce and make tons of money and be rich but at what expense energetically?

      The increase of 60mmbbl to 90mmbbl is nothing more than “energy ponzi”.

      • Debt helps get prices for energy products up by creating more “demand.” For example, if a person can afford a car with debt, he may be able to buy both the vehicle and the oil for the vehicle. The higher demand for oil helps raise the oil price, making it economic.

        If it is possible to reduce interest rates at the same time, then the economy can really grow. Once this dynamic goes away, (falling interest rates and more debt), then the system looks likely to fall apart.

    • The problem is not keeping up with rising population. This is what we have been falling behind on. 2008-2009 and 2020 gave us part of a feel for how this works.

      Self-organizing systems act strangely. The shutdowns were related to the financial problems the world was getting into, and the related lack of energy supply. The related financial changes the economy along for a while. I doubt that self-organizing economy can keep coming up with strange “solutions” like this. Maybe it can, and we can have a few more years of business close to usual.

      • nivtric says:

        I find it hard to believe that the shutdowns [in the early 2020s] were related to financial problems and lack of energy supply rather than the coronavirus pandemic. Sometimes, the obvious is still the truth.

        • Self-organizing systems work strangely. The military had been working on viruses and “vaccines” for these viruses for a long time, but not testing whether these vaccines did more than what the shots people take to reduce allergic reactions receive. People in charge thought that the vaccines worked, when all they did was reduce the body’s negative reaction to the virus.

          We now know that the military was behind the lockdowns. Also, there was a lot of support from the World Health Organization (which is funded to a significant extent by the Bill and Milinda Gates Foundation and others that would monetarily profit from it. This all had been planned for a long time, including a world conference in 2017. Since the military of many countries were involved, and countries everywhere had funding this program through legislatures, no one was willing to investigate and report what really happened. Anthony Fauci was basically a representative of Big Pharma. Putting him in charge of what should be done had a very predictable result.

        • reante says:

          nivtric

          then you haven’t really been paying attention. paying attention always includes reading between the lines. reading between the lines always includes a personal center of gravity. a personal center of gravity always includes high achievement.

          • I think you are being too hard on nivtric. The story isn’t easy to understand. Also, I am surprised by the insights some people have, even though their station in life would not seem to indicate “high achievement.”

            • reante says:

              When nivtric says that “sometimes the obvious is still the truth,” that indicates to me a basic carelessness for truth. You and I both agree there’s nothing obviously true about how the official lockdown narrative played out (even though we may disagree on minor details). nivtric’s view is facile and regressive, and unsupported by argumentation.

              Four years ago ‘History’ became a cover story for Peak Oil. That much is clear. We knew that was coming, and it did come.

        • postkey says:

          “ . . . we would predict approximately 510,000 deaths in GB and 2.2 million in the US, not accounting for the potential negative effects of health systems being overwhelmed on mortality.” ?
          https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/mrc-gida/2020-03-16-COVID19-Report-9.pdf

    • Ravi Uppal says:

      Peak demand is a narrative , it is supply that is the key . Demand will meet supply and vice versa , the question is the price . Affordability matters . If you can’t afford it , then you can’t have it .

      • JR says:

        Exactly right supply and demand are only froth on the surface. Affordability is the foundation of the economic system. In the 1800 no farmer was demanding a tractor. It wasn’t until it could be demonstrated that a tractor was cheaper than a horse that farmers adopted tractors. Necessity is not the mother of invention that’s a fairytale. Affordability is the mother of invention and it’s going away along with all the products it congers up.

        • That’s a good way of putting the predicament:

          “Affordability is the mother of invention and it’s going away along with all the products it congers up.”

        • Actually, the mother of invention is Frank Zappa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2il-ds7OLBI

        • Withnail says:

          Not only cheaper than a horse but frees up a third of your land that’s no longer needed for hay and you can fire your former farm workers and do it all yourself.

          Add some good old nitrogen fertiliser and one man could produce a staggeing amount of food in a year.

          The Great Depression was essentially about the massive economic change caused by mechanising farming.

          • reante says:

            About 8M people were estimated to have died from America’s ‘great leap forward.’

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Peak demand is the way the PR Team explains resource depletion to a MORE-ON without causing panic.

    • Dennis L. says:

      Good observation. Met Campbell in Lisbon, very nice man, lovely wife.

      Dennis L.

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