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Most people have a simple, but wrong, idea about how the world economy will respond to “not enough energy to go around.” They expect that oil prices will rise. With these higher prices, producers will be able to extract more fossil fuels so the system can go on as before. They also believe that wind turbines, solar panels and other so-called renewables can be made with these fossil fuels, perhaps extending the life of the system further.
The insight people tend to miss is the fact that the world’s economy is a physics-based, self-organizing system. Such economies grow for many years, but ultimately, they collapse. The underlying problem is that the population tends to grow too rapidly relative to the energy supplies necessary to support that population. History shows that such collapses take place over a period of years. The question becomes: What happens to an economy beginning its path toward full collapse?
One of the major uses for fossil fuel energy is to add complexity to the system. For example, roads, electricity transmission lines, and long-distance trade are forms of complexity that can be added to the economy using fossil fuels.
When energy per capita falls, it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain the complexity that has been put in place. It becomes too expensive to properly maintain roads, electrical services become increasingly intermittent, and trade is reduced. Long waits for replacement parts become common. These little problems build on one another to become bigger problems. Eventually, major parts of the world’s economy start failing completely.
When people forecast ever-rising energy prices, they miss the fact that market fossil fuel prices consider both oil producers and consumers. From the producer’s point of view, the price for oil needs to be high enough that new oil fields can be profitably developed. From the consumer’s point of view, the price of oil needs to be sufficiently low that food and other goods manufactured using oil products are affordable. In practice, oil prices tend to rise and fall, and rise again. On average, they don’t satisfy either the oil producers or the consumers. This dynamic tends to push the economy downward.
There are many other changes, as well, as fossil fuel energy per capita falls. Without enough energy products to go around, conflict tends to rise. Economic growth slows and turns to economic contraction, creating huge strains for the financial system. In this post, I will try to explain a few of the issues involved.
[1] What is complexity?
Complexity is anything that gives structure or organization to the overall economic system. It includes any form of government or laws. The educational system is part of complexity. International trade is part of complexity. The financial system, with its money and debt, is part of complexity. The electrical system, with all its transmission needs, is part of complexity. Roads, railroads, and pipelines are part of complexity. The internet system and cloud storage are part of complexity.
Wind turbines and solar panels are only possible because of complexity and the availability of fossil fuels. Storage systems for electricity, food, and fossil fuels are all part of complexity.
With all this complexity, plus the energy needed to support the complexity, the economy is structured in a very different way than it would be without fossil fuels. For example, without fossil fuels, a high percentage of workers would make a living by performing subsistence agriculture. Complexity, together with fossil fuels, allows the wide range of occupations that are available today.
[2] The big danger, as energy consumption per capita falls, is that the economy will start losing complexity. In fact, there is some evidence that loss of complexity has already begun.
In my most recent post, I mentioned that Professor Joseph Tainter, author of the book, The Collapse of Complex Societies, says that when energy supplies are inadequate, the resulting economic system will need to simplify–in other words, lose some of its complexity. In fact, we can see that such loss of complexity started happening as early as the Great Recession in 2008-2009.
The world was on a fossil fuel energy consumption per capita plateau between 2007 and 2019. It now seems to be in danger of falling below this level. It fell in 2020, and only partially rebounded in 2021. When it tried to rebound further in 2022, it hit high price limits, reducing demand.
There was a big dip in energy consumption per capita in 2008-2009 when the economy encountered the Great Recession. If we compare Figure 2 and Figure 3, we see that the big drop in energy consumption is matched by a big drop in trade as a percentage of GDP. In fact, the drop in trade after the 2008-2009 recession never rebounded to the former level.
Another type of loss of complexity involves the drop in the recent number of college students. The number of students was rising rapidly between 1950 and 2010, so the downward trend represents a significant shift.
The shutdowns of 2020 added further shifts toward less complexity. Broken supply lines became more of a problem. Empty shelves in stores became common, as did long waits for newly ordered appliances and replacement parts for cars. People stopped buying as many fancy clothes. Brick and mortar stores did less well financially. In person conferences became less popular.
We know that, in the past, economies that collapsed lost complexity. In some cases, tax revenue fell too low for governments to maintain their programs. Citizens became terribly unhappy with the poor level of government services being provided, and they overthrew the governmental system.
The US Department of Energy states that it will be necessary to double or triple the size of the US electric grid to accommodate the proposed level of clean energy, including EVs, by 2050. This is, of course, a kind of complexity. If we are already having difficulty with maintaining complexity, how do we expect to double or triple the size of the US electric grid? The rest of the world would likely need such an upgrade, as well. A huge increase in fossil fuel energy, as well as complexity, would be required.
[3] The world’s economy is a physics-based system, called a dissipative structure.
Energy products of the right kinds are needed to make goods and services. With shrinking per capita energy, there will likely not be enough goods and services produced to maintain consumption at the level citizens are used to. Without enough goods and services to go around, conflict tends to grow.
Instead of growing and experiencing economies of scale, businesses will find that they need to shrink back. This makes it difficult to repay debt with interest, among other things. Governments will likely need to cut back on programs. Some governmental organizations may fail completely.
To a significant extent, how these changes happen is related to the maximum power principle, postulated by ecologist Howard T. Odum. Even when some inputs are inadequate, self-organizing ecosystems try to maintain themselves, as best possible, with the reduced supplies. Odum said, “During self-organization, system designs develop and prevail that maximize power intake, energy transformation, and those uses that reinforce production and efficiency.” As I see the situation, the self-organizing economy tends to favor the parts of the economy that can best handle the energy shortfall that will be taking place.
In Sections [4], [5], and [6], we will see that this methodology seems to lead to a situation in which competition leads to different parts of the economy (energy producers and energy consumers) being alternately disadvantaged. This approach leads to a situation in which the human population declines more slowly than in either of the other possible outcomes:
- Energy producers win, and high energy prices prevail – The real outcome would be that high prices for food and heat for homes would quickly kill off much of the world’s population because of lack of affordability.
- Energy consumers always win, and low energy prices prevail – The real outcome would be that energy supplies would fall very rapidly because of inadequate prices. Population would fall quickly because of a lack of energy supplies (particularly diesel fuel) needed to maintain food supplies.
[4] Prices: Competition between producers and customers will lead to fossil fuel energy prices that alternately rise and fall as extraction limits are hit. In time, this pattern can be expected to lead to falling fossil fuel energy production.
Energy prices are set through competition between:
[a] The prices that consumers can afford to pay for end products whose costs are indirectly determined by fossil fuel prices. Food, transportation, and home heating costs are especially fossil fuel price sensitive. Poor people are the most quickly affected by rising fossil fuel prices.
[b] The prices that producers require to profitably produce these fuels. These prices have been rising rapidly because the easy-to-extract portions were removed earlier. For example, the Wall Street Journal is reporting, “Frackers Increase Spending but See Limited Gains.”
If fossil fuel prices rise, the indirect result is inflation in the cost of many goods and services. Consumers become unhappy when inflation affects their lifestyles. They may demand that politicians put price caps in place to somehow stop this inflation. They may encourage politicians to find ways to subsidize costs, so that the higher costs are transferred to a different part of the economy. At the same time, the producers need the high prices, to be able to fund the greater reinvestment necessary to maintain, and even raise, future fossil fuel energy production.
The conflict between the high price producers need and the low prices that many consumers can afford is what leads to temporarily spiking energy prices. In fact, food prices tend to spike, too, since food is a kind of energy product for humans, and fossil fuel energy products (oil, especially) are used in growing and transporting the food products. In their book, Secular Cycles, researchers Peter Turchin and Sergey Nefedov report a pattern of spiking prices in their analysis of historical economies that eventually collapsed.
With oil prices spiking only temporarily, energy prices are, on average, too low for fossil fuel producers to afford adequate funds for reinvestment. Without adequate funds for reinvestment, production begins to fall. This is especially a problem as fields deplete, and funds needed for reinvestment rise to very high levels.
[5] Demand for Discretionary Goods and Services: Indirectly, demand for goods and services, especially in discretionary sectors of the economy, will also tend to get squeezed back by the rounds of inflation caused by spiking energy prices described in Item [4].
When customers are faced with higher prices because of spiking inflation rates, they will tend to reduce spending on discretionary items. For example, they will go out to eat less and spend less money at hair salons. They may travel less on vacation. Multiple generation families may move in together to save money. People will continue to buy food and beverages since these are essential.
Businesses in discretionary areas of the economy will be affected by this lower demand. They will buy fewer raw materials, including energy products, reducing the overall demand for energy products, and tending to pull energy prices down. These businesses may need to lay off workers and/or default on their debt. Laying off workers may further reduce demand for goods and services, pushing the economy toward recession, debt defaults, and thus lower energy prices.
We find that in some historical accounts of collapses, demand ultimately falls to close to zero. For example, see Revelation 18:11-13 regarding the fall of Babylon, and the lack of demand for goods, including the energy product of the day: slaves.
[6] Higher Interest Rates: Banks will respond to rounds of inflation described in Item [4] by demanding higher interest rates to offset the loss of buying power and the greater likelihood of default. These higher interest rates will have adverse impacts of their own on the economy.
If inflation becomes a problem, banks will want higher interest rates to try to offset the adverse impact of inflation on buying power. These higher interest rates will tend to reduce demand for goods that are often bought with debt, such as homes, cars, and new factories. As a result, the sale prices of these assets are likely to fall. Higher interest rates will tend to produce the same effect for many types of assets, including stocks and bonds. To make matters worse, defaults on loans may also rise, leading to write-offs for the organizations carrying these loans on their balance sheets. For example, the used car dealer Caravan is reported to be near bankruptcy because of issues related to falling used car prices, higher interest rates, and higher default rates on debt.
An even more serious problem with higher interest rates is the harm they do to the balance sheets of banks, insurance companies, and pension funds. If bonds were previously purchased at a lower interest rate, the value of the bonds is less at a higher interest rate. Accounting for these organizations can temporarily hide the problem if interest rates quickly revert to the lower level at which they were purchased. The real problem occurs if inflation is persistent, as it seems to be now, or if interest rates keep rising.
[7] A second major conflict (after the buyer/producer conflict in Item [4], [5], and [6]) is the conflict in how the output of goods and services should be split between returns to complexity and returns to basic production of necessary goods including food, water, and mineral resources such as fossil fuels, iron, nickel, copper, and lithium.
Growing complexity in many forms is something that we have come to value. For example, physicians now earn high wages in the US. People in top management positions in companies often earn very high wages. The top people in large companies that buy food from farmers earn high wages, but farmers producing cattle or growing crops don’t fare nearly as well.
As energy supply becomes more constrained, the huge chunks of output taken by those with advanced degrees and high positions within the large companies gets to be increasingly problematic. The high incomes of citizens in major cities contrasts with the low incomes in rural areas. Resentment among people living in rural areas grows when they compare themselves to how well people in urbanized areas are doing. People in rural areas talk about wanting to secede from the US and wanting to form their own country.
There are also differences among countries in how well their economies get rewarded for the goods and services they produce. The United States, the EU, and Japan have been able to get better rewards for the complex goods that they produce (such as banking services, high-tech medicine, and high-tech agricultural products) compared to Russia and the oil exporting countries of the Middle East. This is another source of conflict.
Comparing countries in terms of per capita GDP on a Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) basis, we find that the countries that focus on complexity have significantly higher PPP GDP per capita than the other areas listed. This creates resentment among countries with lower per-capita PPP GDP.
Russia and the Arab World, with all their energy supplies, come out behind. Ukraine does particularly poorly.
The conflict between Russia and Ukraine is between two countries that are doing poorly on this metric. Ukraine is also much smaller than Russia. It appears that Russia is in a conflict with a competitor that it is likely to be able to defeat, unless NATO members, including the US, can give immense support to Ukraine. As I discuss in the next section, the industrial ability of the US and the EU is waning, making it difficult for such support to be available.
[8] As conflict becomes a major issue, which economy is largest and is best able to defend itself becomes more important.
Back in 1990, the EU had a greater PPP GDP than did either the US or China. Now, the US is a little ahead of the EU. More importantly, China has come from way behind both the US and EU, and now is clearly ahead of both in PPP GDP.
We often hear that the US is the largest economy, but this is only true if GDP is measured in current US dollars. If differences in actual purchasing power are reflected, China is significantly ahead. China is also far ahead in total electricity production and in many types of industrial output, including cement, steel, and rare earth minerals.
The conflict in Ukraine is now leading countries to take sides, with Russia and China on the same side, and the United States together with the EU on Ukraine’s side. While the US has many military bases around the world, its military capabilities have increasingly been stretched thin. The US is a major oil producer, but the mix of oil it produces is of lower and lower average quality, especially if obtaining diesel and jet fuel from it are top priorities.
Huge pressure is building now for China and Russia to trade in their own currencies, rather than the US dollar, putting pressure on the US financial system and its status as the reserve currency. It is also not clear whether the US would be able to fight on more than one front in a conventional war. A conflict with Iran has been mentioned as a possibility, as has a conflict with China over Taiwan. It is not at all clear that a conflict between NATO and China-Russia is winnable by the NATO forces, including the US.
It appears to me that, to save fuel, more regionalization of trade is necessary with the Asian countries being primary trading partners of each other, rather than the rest of the world. If such a regionalization takes place, the US will be at a disadvantage. It currently depends on supply lines stretching around the world for computers, cell phones, and other high-tech devices. Without these supply lines, the standards of living in the US and the EU would likely decline quickly.
[9] Clearly, the narratives that politicians and the news media tell citizens are under pressure. Even if they understand the true situation, politicians need a different narrative to tell voters and young people wondering about what career to pursue.
Every politician would like a “happily ever after” story to tell citizens. Fortunately, from the point of view of politicians, there are lots of economists and scientists who put together what I call “overly simple” models of the economy. With these overly simple models of the economy, there is no problem ahead. They believe the standard narrative about oil and other energy prices rising indefinitely, so there is no energy problem. Instead, our only problem is climate change and the need to transition to green energy.
The catch is that our ability to scale up green energy is just an illusion, built on the belief that complexity can scale up indefinitely without the use of fossil fuels.
We are left with a major problem: Our current complex economy is in danger of degrading remarkably in the next few years, but we have no replacement available. Even before then, we may need to do battle, in new ways, with other countries for the limited resources that are available.
food prices through the stratosphere, unless the government sees the deal for what it is — a rotten egg.
Think your grocery bill is high now? Just wait.
Story by Robert Reich • Yesterday 5:17 AM
MSN
Supermarket giant Kroger is in the process of finalizing a nearly$25 billion deal to acquire its jumbo-sized competitor Albertsons, combining their 5,000 supermarkets into one mega company.
Corporate concentration in the grocery market is already a huge problem, with estimates showing that just five companies.) control over 60 percent of American grocery sales
This means less consumer choice, and more opportunity for grocery stores to jack up prices — which they’ve already been doing lately under the cover of inflation. Let’s be clear: Big corporations are using the excuse of inflation to pass price increases through to you.
Now you may think this merger won’t affect you because you don’t have a Kroger or Albertsons where you live, but here’s the kicker: Both stores already control dozens%2C%20has%20that%20chain%20in%20its%20stable%2C%20along%20with%20Acme%2C%20Haggen%2C%20Jewel%2DOsco%2C%20Shaw%E2%80%99s%2C%20Pavilions%2C%20Vons%2C%20and%20many%20more.) of other grocery brands across the country. So you may not even know you’re actually shopping at Kroger or Albertsons.
More concentration ….let’s merge baby…
“The problem facing supermarkets – which have already done most of the things which keep prices low – is that they cannot raise prices without losing critical mass. This can happen internally, as customers who previously bought premium range items switch to the value range, or it can result in consumers abandoning supermarkets in favour of discount retailers. And many more of us are no longer shopping for the things we like, but limiting ourselves only to the things we really need. Either way, the hidden threat is that one or more of the big four – Asda, Morrisons, Sainsbury’s and Tesco – will go bust. If that happens, the downward pressure on prices – which, even today, is holding prices lower than they would otherwise be – would be released, throwing the food industry as a whole into a death spiral, as rising prices fuel falling demand until a large part of the population is surviving on bare essentials.”
https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2023/02/23/more-death-spirals-begin-to-spin/?fbclid=IwAR3Cx0tjSPFn45ha-c4CuUIoF3bVeRKYKpEtVS6b3VDt91Xz5l-_YwVgolE
I was thinking about exactly this yesterday as my bill for 4 large packs of nuts… two packs of fresh chicken — two packs of roasted chicken — and two packs of fresh fish and 10 pcs of corn and 10 litres of coconut water….. was over NZD200….
I’ve got a bit of buffer in the form of VIP Room Budget… I can just cut the lap dances down from say 6 to 3 … and allocate the budget to food.
But most people don’t have that option… so they’ll have no choice but to eat cheaper food. Hot dogs made from the arehole rings of pigs…. Wonderbread… pasta…. dog food mixed with tomato sauce to go with that… 90% water and sugar orange juice
But hey – at least it’s not salted rice .. yet.
food prices through the stratosphere, unless the government sees the deal for what it is — a rotten egg.
Emperor Diocletian put the blame for inflation mostly on greedy merchants in 303 AD. Some of them ended up being lynched by crowds as a result.
It only accelerated the collapse of the economy as nobody wanted to sell food at a loss with the price controls imposed by the government. Money fell out of use and what little food was available was bartered or demanded as tax in kind.
The Feds new program (BTFP) allows banks to borrow money for a 1 year term against securities at 100 cents on the dollar even though the market value is 60-70 cents on the dollar today.
The Fed is the largest holder of Treasuries and MBS’s and will now hold even more.
The Fed is insolvent? How would a bank run on the Fed look like?
The Fed doesn’t issue a balance sheet. As I understand it, the Fed bought the securities it holds for essentially zero. With a rise in interest rates, those securities are worth less. The Fed doesn’t “mark to market,” so we don’t see this. In some sense, the quantity of printed money available has been reduced, because of the rise in interest rates.
The Quantitative Tightening would be on top of this. So there is less and less stimulus to the economy. This is part of the reason that total US M2 has been falling.
I think the run we are likely to encounter now is people taking money out of banks (M2 money supply) and moving the money either to Treasuries, or to a money market fund based on Treasuries. For example, Fidelity has a Fidelity Government Money Market Fund. The most recent compound effective yield is 4.31%
https://fundresearch.fidelity.com/mutual-funds/performance-and-risk/31617H102
If there are many people doing this, I would suppose that it would tend to lower the effective interest rates, because the more interest there is in Treasuries, the lower the interest rate is needed to sell them.
I think the big risk (rather than a run on the Fed) is Biden bailing out everyone and everything with money from nowhere, leading to hyperinflation.
I think I am on the other side of your trade, deflation; just ornery I guess.
Farmland looks to me like it has peaked, follow it somewhat, it is not going up like it was and the “stuff” one puts in the ground has done up greatly. Tractors are cheaper, combines more expensive in order to “scoop” up every grain.
Housing is down in general, Zillow is good for monthly guesses on this one.
Stocks, well, what can I say, TM has financial assets 40% over real stuff depending on what is in the denominator. There is just not enough stuff out there and too much financial stuff.
Should be a fun year, bet well, make money, go the other way, lose money.
Dennis L.
I think we could end up with a strange situation.
All of the extra money that is issued will tend to bring the value of the dollar down relative to other currencies. In fact, the current world economic system seems likely to bifurcate, with China, Russia, and a number of other Asian countries banding together. The rest will try to trade with each other, but they will be missing so many basic goods (like computers) that they will have problems. The non-China, non-Russia group of economies, especially, will tend to fall back to much more basic levels. Governments of today will collapse.
Without computers, the electrical system will mostly come to a halt. Walking will become the primary mode of transportation. Food and water will become the primary goods traded. Perhaps some clothing, and some repurposed materials will also be traded. (Perhaps this shift will happen over a period of years.)
“Ownership of land” will start becoming an outmoded concept. Land will become something that is fought over. Might makes right! Ownership will comes from groups of people (men) fighting over land. Land will still have value, but not from the financial system we were dealing with before.
You don’t think that when the chemicals we use to grow food are not available the result will be ROF >>> murder rape disease cannibalism?
How will they be available when the financial system does not exist — supply chains are busted … and 8 billion angry beasts are on the rampage?
I think we should not try to offer the MOREONS hopium in the form of BAU Lite… that is an imaginary thing … much like men walking on the moon (and playing golf!)
Maybe before the things I list, we will see farm prices and stock prices decline. Perhaps even housing prices. We do seem to be headed that direction.
In a world made by hand no one owns the land. We will fight over territory. Wealth will be measured by the number of fighting men that can be fielded.
This is what will come in the age of heros after the cataclysm.
Cro.
In that case, women are far too valuable to risk in war. Lose a woman, lose maybe 4-10 fighters and also other younger women.
Dennis L.
Women become cattle.
It’s band of brothers in war.
I couldn’t make this stuff up…but they did…
EPA to limit toxic ‘forever chemicals’ in drinking water
Michael Regan, the head of the Environmental Protection Agency, announces the Biden administration is launching a broad strategy to regulate toxic industrial compounds associated with serious health conditions that are used in products ranging from cookware to carpets and firefighting foams during an event at N.C. State University, Oct. 18, 2021, in Raleigh, N.C. The EPA on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, proposed limiting the amount of harmful “forever chemicals” in drinking water to the lowest level that tests can detect. (Travis Long/The News & Observer via AP, File)
The plan would limit toxic PFAS chemicals to the lowest level that tests can detect. PFAS, or per- and polyfluorinated substances, are a group of compounds that are widespread, dangerous and expensive to remove from water. They don’t degrade in the environment and are linked to a broad range of health issues, including low birthweight and kidney cancer.
The EPA said drinking water is a significant source of PFAS exposure for people.
“The science is clear that long-term exposure to PFAS is linked to significant health risks,” Radhika Fox, assistant EPA administrator for water, said in an interview.
I know, I know.. bacteria will eat them up..yummie, yummie I got live in my tummie..
Sure they will…limit them that is….when the program is infinite growth…
The chemicals had been used since the 1940s in consumer products and industry, including in nonstick pans, food packaging and firefighting foam. Their use is now mostly phased out in the U.S., but some still remain.
The proposal would set strict limits of 4 parts per trillion, the lowest level that can be reliably measured, for two common types of PFAS compounds called PFOA and PFOS. In addition, the EPA wants to regulate the combined amount of four other types of PFAS. Water providers will have to monitor for PFAS.
The public will have a chance to comment, and the agency can make changes before issuing a final rule, expected by the end of the year. Water providers will have time to adjust.
Not to worry, Nuttie Eddie, it won’t be done in time to interfer with your UEP …
It takes fossil fuels to clean up the water we drink. I wouldn’t count on being able to get as good water as we have today, in the future.
Laws mandating less pollution are a good cover for what might otherwise be a worrying decline in production or energy availability.
If it costs too much to clean up water in certain areas maybe those areas can be made off limits to people due to water contamination. I’m thinking those people could relocate to walkable cities? That’s a silver lining for when your entire town is condemned.
Again, I think I am on the opposite side of you. The stuff in the water is an issue, ask a male alligator, penis size has decreased secondary to female hormones secondary to birth control pills secondary to recreational sex. Lot of secondaries there.
Women are also less selective with the pill, ask a farmer about his herd; pretty careful and doesn’t like a lot of bull. Can’t help myself sometimes. People are very important, choose your parents wisely.
Has anyone noticed an epidemic of males and females being confused which sex they are? Perhaps it is in the water, that is a serious comment, not a joke.
My solution: manufacturing all goes into space, back to glass bottles, out with the plastic. One should have possible solutions not complaints only.
Dennis L.
Showing the fact that you never worked in shipping
Cholera…
They have been working on an extermination plan for decades… why would they care if we drink chem laced water?
The virus is airborne HIV
It’s a retro virus. It’s genome is incorporated into our DNA through reverse transcription. Once infected we are infected for life. Everyone’s infected including the rats in our cities.
The virus evades our immune system and attacks it…just like HIV.
Soon everyone will sick like dogs…a lot of people already are from the common flu
There has to be some good (bad) reason why they spliced in the spike protein when they made this monster….
According to what? It would actually make some sense, but the powers that be wouldn’t want something that could take them out too. They like power and being dead works at cross purposes with that.
Ukraine is losing the war
Ukraine Killed in Action 170,000 Russia Killed in Action 16,000
The Russian Kinzhal missile attack vaporised dozens of top US officers in two bunkers in Ukraine last week
The US sent the nuke capable B-52 to the Gulf of Finland 300 km from St Peterborough as a message before it turned down of the Baltic States
More than one nation getting a message that day?
“Late Thursday afternoon a US Air Force B-52H Stratofortress, the world’s most famous heavy bomber, arrived over Kaposvár city.
The aircraft, code-named NOBLE41, departed from Romania and entered Hungarian airspace at 15:45. According to a site that tracks the aircraft’s public flight path, the B-52 arrived in Kaposvár shortly after 4pm, but lingered here for a while: [image]
For unknown reasons, the heavy bomber circled over the area, touching Nagybajom, the area around Nagyatád and Kadarkút, and flew over Kaposvár several times. Finally, at around quarter to six, it resumed its journey to its original destination, Spain.
It is interesting to note that the bomber spent more than an hour and a half circling over our heads during the whole route, but the reason for this is still unclear:”
“I think Hungary is in an undeclared state of war now, in many ways, whether she wants it or not. Interesting times ahead!”
https://gatesofvienna.net/2023/03/nice-little-country-you-got-there-hungary/
Testing and identifying radar systems?
Are we certain that this really happened?
42 years of building the matrix… since he made this statement … so we must assume by now everything is fake…
It’s a great way to maintain control over 8 billion wicked beasts. You almost never have to beat them
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” – William J. Casey, CIA Director (1981)
Gail I watched multiple videos on bitchute showing multiple b-52 flights with civilian flight tracking software. They (videos) are curiously gone now except for the big long flight. Most of the flights got to the border and circled with multiple b-52s. Transponders were turned off and on. The Plane still showed, only no identification as USAF.
The air is crowded. To fly stealth is to invite disaster. Commercial aircraft have to know the military aircraft are there.
Many people watch flights around the world now using civilian flight tracking software looking for things like a large amount of military anti sub aircraft in the air off the coast as a indicator that WW3 is imminent, MonkeyWerx being the most famous.
So all true? IMO I think not only true for the one flight but of a much much larger scale. Multiple flights. That doesnt mean my opinion is correct. I am just reporting what i saw. Now most of the flight path vids are scrubbed. This vid is still up. showing dozens of B-52s taking off. Their diferent ID numbers can be noted. Of course their flight paths are not shown in this video.
IMO dozens of strategic nuclear bombers in the air is beyond alarming. The term destabilizing is often used in regard to the possibility of a nuclear exchange because their are known events that create extreme risk. There are reasons why you don’t put a bunch of strategic nuclear bombers in the air while conducting a proxy war against a peer nuclear power if you wish to avoid a strategic nuclear exchange. IMO we are far far past the risk of the Cuban missile crisis. Ten seconds to midnight.
Did it really occur? Who knows. Maybe everything we see hear and eat is fake like Eddy says? My perception is that of one human. There are eight billion of us. And counting.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/KALA25JA1NP0/
The situation with multiple nuclear bombers in the air is indeed alarming.
The US is still fighting WW II . Bombers and aircraft carriers in the age of Kinzhal’s , Samrat , S- 300 , S-400 . It is like bringing a kitchen knife to a gun fight . Best of luck , Amigo .
Details and sources please!!! Be hard to hide this if it’s true…
The recent b-52 flights were the largest nuclear destabilization event in our lifetime.
Flights. Plural. Multiple. Tracked with civilian flight tracking software. Wouldnt do to have b-52s collide with commercial aircraft.
Why? A single trident missile is launched from the Baltic. Slow but real accurate. Moscow has six minutes to decide based on its radar installations. Russia doesnt have squat for satellite launch detection. It has focused on multiple over lapping radar ground installations. It didnt have the dough for satellites. It was lucky to get the Avangaards and Khinzals done. When that Trident goes off all radar becomes blind. The b-52 opens its bomb doors. What drops out? Nuclear cruise missiles.
It doesnt matter that the aircraft is a dinosaur. The payload is modern cruise missiles. Just like we see in Ukraine with the TU-95s using cruise missiles and conventional war heads.
s-300 uses radar. s-400 uses radar. s-500 uses radar. All of those air defense systems are neutralized when the first nuclear device goes off.
Maybe. Will Russias Obsession with analog electronics pay dividends? Get a BIG bag of popcorn. 15 minutes worth.
The ICBMs and tridents come into Russias radar detection area just after. Except there is no radar. Minuteman, Air launched cruise missiles, and tridents all detonate within 15 minutes of first detonation to end radar.
THe b-52s are mobile nuclear capable cruise missile launching platforms. Two minutes from launch to detonation for close targets like ST Petersburg. Silly Russians are fond of that city.
This is why TU-95s would be shot down were they to fly along the US coastline over international waters. Its a potential knife held at the throat. TU-95s are intercepted far out with fighters as the US claims a special defense zone or such. Special defense zone exclusion to intercept Russian bombers but “international airspace” or NATO country “Sovereign airspace” for USA nuclear capable bombers.
This is what China and Russia mean when they say security must be monolithic. No special rules.
Not quite the same for the USA in terms of detecting a all out launch because the USA has extensive satellite launch detection capability.
This is why USA attempted the AEGIS anti ballistic missile system out at sea where there is much less chance of it being blinded by nuclear detonation. Spread out over the sea it would take dozens of nukes to blind radar. Why Russia created low level hypersonics to dodge around the USA AEGIS. Which is why the USA abandoned AEGIS. Not that they wont take their best shot. Sarmats maybe. Avangaard not.
Every time B-52s fly along Russias airspace Russia must choose to be vulnerable or initiate nuclear war. Spy planes =irritating. B-52s…
This wont continue. Initiative will be taken to start the strategic nuclear exchange at a time and manner conducive to victory by one side or another rather than be reactive in a manner chose by the enemy. More Avangards deployed every month. If Russia is going to let multiple B-52s fly along its border its a good opportunity. Probably the best shot.
Putin- “we wont be the first to use nuclear weapons but we wont be the last”
All talk that man. Too soft. Loves nature. Loves animals. Loves women. Respects fair matches on the judo floor with no weapons.
You need someone not quite right in the head for effectiveness in this. That one member of the MC club. What sort of characteristics would you select? Lots of anger and a certain polarized perception to start?
These are not actions of an organism avoiding a strategic nuclear exchange.
In related news better call Saul won the Emmys.
The four year Trump delay in the strategic nuclear exchange- Avangaard coming on line in a significant manner- is going to hurt. Licking the deep states b**** with op warp speed doesnt make it square no matter how much he brings attention to it. No bunker and concubines for you!
Lindsey gets his place. HA!
Some of you are aware of Coronal Mass Ejections (CME) –the large expulsions of plasma and magnetic field from the Sun’s corona. It is feared that these will “fry” electrical transmission–I don’t know the details.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/coronal-mass-ejections
On March 13, there was a CME that only happens once in about 10 years. Fortunately the CME occurred on the far side of the sun, so the earth was not badly impacted.
According to space weatheralerts.com:
“EXTREMELY RARE” CME: Today, a bright CME flew away from the farside of the sun. Its high velocity appears to put it in the category of “Extremely Rare,” a decade-class event. The explosion was so powerful, it peppered Earth with energetic particles even though the CME was not Earth-directed. A polar cap absorption (PCA) event is underway as a result of the blast. Full story Spaceweather.com.
The sun has always been the giver and taker away of life on this orb.
We WILL get utterly destroyed as a civilization in near time now.
The event will change the face of this world and alter evolution by extinction and by massive DNA altering radiations. The known world will slowly get a bit larger, mostly in Pacific Ocean. Gravity will get a bit stronger. Fauna a bit smaller. The harvest of souls will swell like a burgeoning salmon run.
The elites know this, they are locked into this matrix. The demiurge knows this. The elites try and hide from the judgement and the demiurge assists them to the degree it can.
The keeper of the calendar will come regardless.
Be a Shepherd in the hills and dwell in shallow caves to show proper humility.
When your time comes there is a chance now at this late stage that you can exit the game. You will be “encouraged” to come again,….. that decision is yours.
encouragment to come again can’t be a bad thing
can it?
I guess that depends on the other option doesn’t it?
Back into a realm ruled by a great demon or something else.
One must remain suspicious of a system that draws you into the light and presents imagery of paradise tailor made to the soul in question.
What do I know? It has been my experience that “free food” in the bush usually has a price attached.
Why would the astral plane be any different?
i’m not so convinced that it’s just “encouraged”. i sort of, via a dream of many moons ago, remember being born; the umbilical cord was around my neck and i was slowly choking, and i was perfectly happy with this state of affairs, as i had something of an inkling of what life here is like. then, to my ongoing regret!, the urge to life kicked in, i struggled for breath, here we are. took 4 attempts to get that right, i think, as my mother had 3 miscarriages before my difficult birth. the doctor rather charmingly told her she had a “corrosive womb”. another doctor took her life a couple of years ago by sticking her on a ventilator when she had covid, 2 years ago now.
take any of that for what it’s worth from an anon lurker on the interwebs.
@lurker. Very sad to hear of your Mother’s murder. Three miscarriages is a lot; I bet she was glad to finally get you here.
Thanks, Retired Librarian. I see comments everywhere questioning the existence of covid; they remind me of the idea that there were no planes on 911, a ridiculous, faked explanation intended just to confuse and misdirect people.
“No Virus Theory” Psyop Being Run from Substack is Uncovered
https://expose-news.com/2022/11/07/no-virus-theory-psyop-uncovered/
that’s interesting, the organised “viruses don’t exist” group:
About a week ago, Igor Chudov came across a Substack titled ‘Boostershots’. When he investigated, he discovered that Boostershots was the coordinating site of a “viruses do not exist” psychological operation (“psyop”). The site instructed people how to post on forums promoting the “no virus” theory and the Substack’s author(s) even bragged about getting people worked up about it.
https://boostershots.substack.com/
it seems to be just normal people, rather than something shadowy, though i’m sure there’s shadow, too.
It isn’t so simple as “no viruses!” vs. “viruses rule OK.” Sam Bailey gives a very persuasive account of the “terrain theory”.
https://rumble.com/v1z9k75-terrain-therapy.html
“Do viruses exist or not?” is a less essential question than “Are viruses primary causes of disease?” or are other things much much more important?
Since Covid is considered to have killed at least a few million people but 80 percent of people who have come into contact with it have no symptoms, we really do need to look elsewhere for answers.
>>>> Remdesivir and Midazolam
Don’t you know? The no virus group is in the pay of the powerful herbal tea industry!
On the contrary, the yes virus group is solely at the service of truth and health, as there is no commercial interest behind and around virology.
lurker
if you read a comment on here that strikes you as a bit odd, 9 times out of 10—if you dig past it you’ll get to a wackos r us site
mostly it derives from attention seeking
thought you might like this Sufi story, cromagnon:
Know about the time when there were souls and no bodies.
This was a time of a few years, but each of those years was one of our millennia.
The souls were all arrayed in line. The world was presented to their sight. Nine out of ten of the souls ran towards it.
Then paradise was presented to the remaining souls. Out of these, nine out of ten ran towards it.
Then hell was shown to the remaining souls. Nine out of ten of them ran away from it in horror.
Then there were only a few souls, those who were affected by
nothing at all. They had not been attracted by the earth or by paradise, nor had they feared hell.
The Celestial Voice spoke to these survivors, saying:
‘Idiot souls, what is it that you want?’
The souls answered in unison:
“You who know all know that it is You whom we desire, and that we do not desire to leave Your Presence.’
The voice said to them:
‘Desire of Us is perilous, causes hardship and innumerable perils.’
The souls answered him:
‘We will gladly experience anything for the sake of being with
You, and lose everything in order that we may gain everything.’
Interesting
Not sarcastic, spaceship earth will weather the storm.
Dennis L.
So, the CME was on the side of the sun opposite earth. If this happens three times in a row in the near future, someone/thing has their thumb on the scale.
An anthropomorphic metaphor may be needing to pass gas and being close to an outside door, need to squeeze the cheeks long enough to leave the room otherwise it is “Who me?”
Physics again, something is tweaking the universe; earth is special, billions and billions of years of effort, not good to play with mother nature. They will think of something.
Dennis L.
There is nothing to worry about. The sun is flat and made of asbestos.
Basically … it’s the same stuff that is always out there past low Earth orbit…
It’s why we cannot navigate nor survive beyond low Earth orbit
Update, update…
To the MOON…when I was a young lad I actually lived in Cape Canaveral Florida for my Sophomore year at Cocoa Beach High! Learned how to surf board and do drugs….My then Step Dad worked at a NASA contractor firm for the space program and was set to retire. Witnessed missile takeoffs and visit the complex…this is a big show Industrial Complex….full throttle and is definitely part of the Defense war machine…the SPACE FORCE…and disguised as a Science endeavor.
So Nuttie Eddie…here’s is you Kiddo….
Wikipedia…
The Artemis program is a collaboration of government space agencies and private spaceflight companies, bound together by the Artemis Accords and supporting contracts. As of December 2022, twenty-three countries and one territory have signed the accords,[9] including traditional U.S. space partners (such as the European Space Agency as well as agencies from Canada, Japan, and the United Kingdom) and emerging space powers such as Brazil, South Korea, and the United Arab Emirates.[1]
The Artemis program was formally established in 2017 during the Trump administration; however, many of its components such as the Orion spacecraft were developed during the previous Constellation program (2005–2010) during the Bush administration, and after its cancellation during the Obama administration. Orion’s first launch, and the first use of the Space Launch System, was originally set in 2016, but was rescheduled and launched on 16 November 2022 as the Artemis 1 mission, with robots and mannequins aboard. According to plan, the crewed Artemis 2 launch will take place in 2024, the Artemis 3 crewed lunar landing in 2025, the Artemis 4 docking with the Lunar Gateway in 2028, and future yearly landings on the Moon thereafter. However, some observers note that the program’s cost and timeline are likely to be overrun and delayed due to, according to internal and external review, NASA’s inadequate management of contractors.
See….there will be delays due to inadequate management…deal with. It.to the MOON
If we successfully sent men to the moon before, it certainly makes it hard to understand why it is so difficult to do so now. “Inadequate management.”
its not difficult
it costs too much for no worthwhile return
23 trillion https://www.usdebtclock.org/
Ya think a trip to the moon ain’t in the budget?
Duh
Why not reuse this contraption? I can offer to make a new one in my garage
https://archive.org/download/AS11-40-5922/AS11-40-5922.jpg
Well the tech was also so much more advanced in the 60’s… but it was destroyed ….
so we are starting from scratch.
Here’s Don Peitit – astronaut and all round good guy saying:
https://youtu.be/16MMZJlp_0Y?t=1
It’s amazing that the ancient Egyptians were able to build such huge pyramids, successfully running the world’s first pyramid scheme. Perhaps the Apollo program was a modern-day pyramid scheme?
they were helped by aliens
you know–being s who can’t get past the van allen belt—ot something
It’s amazing how many excuses they can come up with to not land on the moon again.
Ed, did you READ what I pointed out the obvious…NASA is just a cover for the pre military Space Force…the Elders were far sighted in their outlook and needed NASA as a public relations ploy for another military arm…
Just like back in the 1950s, they promoted too cheap to meter nuclear power.
With that nuclear arsenal missiles complex was more acceptable.
It’s all.a mind game bro, thought you were smarter…maybe next time ask Norm
(JP)
”EU action in Palestinian conflict encourages terror, Israel tells Italy.
EU activity in Area C has sparked tension between the European bloc and Israel.
“I asked my friend .. Tajani to act to prevent European intervention in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as such activity often encourages incitement and terrorism.” Foreign Minister Eli Cohen”
[…] ”It was a reference to the EU support, including by Italy, of Palestinian development in Area C, a section of the West Bank that the EU believes will be part of the boundaries of a future Palestinian state. Most politicians in Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government hold that it should be part of Israel’s final borders.” […] ”Cohen also asked Tajani to help sway the EU to avoid attempts to influence internal Israeli politics.
It was a veiled reference to the turmoil surrounding the government’s push for judicial reform. The EU is concerned that the overhaul plan could weaken Israeli democracy.”
It could be probably summarize like: ‘just shut up, you and your friends. Thanks’.
We surely said: ‘yes, sorry’.
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-734227
The EU has a hard time taking care of itself. Is its interest in the Israeli/Palestinian situation mostly to divert interest away from its own problems? Or does it really think it can be helpful?
As I have said before, the issue is basically a matter of “not enough resources to go around.” There were already people in the area, when it was decided to resettle Jews in this area. Both groups have high birth rates. The people who are Palestinians are the ones who have been squeezed into a small amount of land, without enough water. US politicians have supported the Jews because there is political support from both the Jews (on the Left) and some Conservative Christian groups (on the Right).
I agree that the Jews are mistreating the Palestinians (they are the far richer and more powerful group), but why is the EU getting involved in this matter?
If you think you are right about the general situation. Concerning this specific episode, I think that Italy and EU are worried as they have a great number of muslims in their territories by now and so, if Israel becomes too hard with Palestinians, they could have an esclation of social stability and probably even terrorism in EU or also they could have an increase of antisemitism episodes that they could not manage.
EU and Italy probably fear that Israel is pushing too much.
But I wouldn’t be worried about that as Italy and EU are too weak and they will surely stop saying anything.
sorry, first part is: I think you are right about the general situation. Gail, please forgive my bad English.
Interesting viewpoint, with no children, Italy, etc. no longer is Italy.
If I am an Italian women, no children, history of a great career, how do I get non blood to pay my pension?
Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Russia are now somewhat aligned and also the three largest oil producers. Syria may now be on the table, the US may be leaving, Israel is sitting surrounded, literally its back to the sea.
The Jews are unique in Western Culture, they have a long history of staying together. We survive as a group.
Dennis L.
Good point about the EU being worried about more Palestinian immigrants.
(Eugyppius)
”Karl Lauterbach, in substantial reversal, says vaccine injuries are “dismaying,” complains of “exorbitant” pharmaceutical profits, calls for vaccine manufacturers to fund an institute for those harmed”
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/karl-lauterbach-in-substantial-reversal
….he seems worried that someone will hunt him…but it is surely a wrong impression…
This is the health minister in Germany. He is beginning to see the light.
Campbell has an hour long post regarding the jabs. I don’t have time to listen to all this, but I think the idea is not aspirating(government recommended) and the nano particles being the issue, not the mRNA alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbZ6E2rhdcw&t=215s
Perhaps someone can listen to this and give a summary.
Dennis L.
This is an hour-long interview by Campbell with an expert named “Marc Girardot.” He talks about the possibility that some of the Covid vaccines are inadvertently injected intravenously. He gives a medical explanation of what can go wrong. This may explain some of the high death rate.
That’s what happens when you employ off duty shampoo girls and drug addicts to inject Rat Juice.
Remember the Trudeau cabinet leak?
This guy would have been in on similar meetings in Germany… he knows this is a global plan approved at the highest levels.
He probably does not know everything. Or maybe he does.
He’s not concerned about the gallows.
This is likely the PR Team offering soothing stories to the anti vaxxers so that they go quietly into extinction… this is all over SS – winning! But it ain’t on CNNBBC….
anti vaxxers are MOREONS too… they are being played…
Now we wait for the next phase of UEP.
as another Muse fan, I think they wrote this for Gail!
Thanks! This video shows that the trend toward ever more energy intensity will have to reach limits.
i’m told this style is known as grindcore, not normally my cup of tea, but Muse do somehow pull that off quite well.
Wicked!
Check this guy out https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/south-african-rapper-costa-titch/
(OA – the temple of sport)
”it is the first time that happens. No Italians playing on Milan Team side during soccer match Milan-Salernitana”.
I’d like to clarify that I have nothing against it, that is just to report a social transformation that is happening in Europe and particularly in Italy that maybe you haven’t heard about yet.
If you are in US, it would be like watching New York Jets football Team (or Dallas Cowboys) with no US players on the field…
https://www.oasport.it/2023/03/milan-nessun-italiano-in-campo-contro-la-salernitana-prima-volta-nellera-dei-tre-punti/
Of course I have seen plenty of games without italian players. Atalanta, Fiorentina, Torino and Napoli for example. It is sad since for italians calcio was an indirect way to express nationalism. The bursts of excitement during my two World Cup victories was orders of magnitude above anything else. Regrettably, now we have a weak national team due to a huge influx of foreign players.
What do you mean by my two world cup victories?
1982 and 2006.
We’re you a coach? Or a player then coach?
More like an emigrant. so those used to be very dear to me. In part also because both were earned with great last minute drama during epic matches with other soccer giants and against the odds. Of course by now I realize it was all a distraction.
Ya but I assume you had legions of very HOT groopies???
Any stories?
I hear that. Sports used to be my whole life pretty much.
Is one of you guys that retired German anti vaxxer football star? I forget his name….
I tried to search but that’s been scrubbed. He doesn’t exist
And what’s wrong with distractions, drb? Tonight I would be a little happier if my dear FC Porto had eliminated your Inter Milano in the Champions League, as in fact would be fair in a world ordered by a reasonable god.
In Kyoto there’s a temple for praying to the deity of football
japan-experience.com/all-about-japan/kyoto/temples-shrines/shiramine-shrine
You won the soccer world cup – as a player?
No. I do play, but I am the only male in my family that did not go through organized soccer (emigrated early). as you know italians identify a lot with the azzurri. you must have seen something in toronto.
So no grooooopies?
Darn
“Is one of you guys that retired German anti vaxxer football star? I forget his name….”
If your German footballer happened to be English, the man you would be looking looking for is Matt Le Tissier.
drb, the passion of the crowd is quite something, isn’t it. Glad you got to live it.
No there is a German footballer… might be Muller … I watched a documentary on his anti vax activities
I’ve only heard of present German players being demonised, for not agreeing to an unknown and experimental substance being injected into them.
Uncaring mad men, one and all, apparently.
How amazing is that … this guy was a big name in football back in the 90’s… played on the world cup team … I recognized the name when I watched the documentary … and I am not a big follower of football…
Yet nobody here knows about this — and searches bring up nothing…
The virus united the world around a common enemy.
It closed the schools and churches.
And about to bankrupt the medical cartels.
Is it a China virus?
or
Grateful Dead 🙂
‘Muse’ are an interesting band, they brought some new sounds. Thanks for sharing
(Washington Post – 13.03.23)
”EUROPE: Ukraine short of skilled troops and munitions as losses, pessimism grow”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/03/13/ukraine-casualties-pessimism-ammunition-shortage/
It seems Ukrainians aren’t very keen on the war. It’s really only America that is keeping it going. Europe would soon fold without the US whipping them on.
At the start of the invasion, Ukrainians rushed to volunteer for military duty, but now men across the country who did not sign up have begun to fear being handed draft slips on the street. Ukraine’s internal security service recently shut down Telegram accounts that were helping Ukrainians avoid locations where authorities were distributing summonses.
Prepping people for the embarrassing loss ahead?
NATO officers probably don’t like dying so much. Last week Russia introduced the west to the abilities of an advanced civilisation and who else should you introduce it to, but the top officers.
NATO meet the Kinzhal(catch me if you can).
“The RF believes this bunker near Lvov was a NATO strategic command point used to control anti-aircraft systems. It’s still early days but the RF assumes there were up to 300 personnel in the bunker, 40 of which were high ranking foreign specialists”
https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/03/09/2nd-kinzhal-attack-hits-natos-western-command-center-400-feet-underground-40-killed/
That site looked a bit suspect, but Russia have done similar in Syria, when western invaders pushed too much. Although no confirmation from the west, this bit was allowed to slip through.
“The missiles destroyed were mostly subsonic cruise missiles and slow-flying attack drones. None of the 25 high-speed or ballistic missiles of various types, including the Kinzhals, were shot down. Ukraine’s air force said it did not have the capability to do so.”
https://www.ft.com/content/e85762ec-ccc5-43e4-896c-074a451dad30
“Did not have the capability to do so” means no defence and NATO officers will be well aware of what happened in Syria. How many high ups now want out?
FT is paywalled, but you can copy the link into the below and get it.
https://12ft.io/
The kinzhal is impressive no doubt.
400 ft down? Nothing non nuclear will touch that. No not the Khinzhal’s impressive kinetic energy. Neither the Russian hardened missile silos or the USA hardened missile silos are 400 feet down and they will take direct nuclear hits to destroy. Building a bunker 400 feet down is not impossible. Its a lot easier in rock than dirt with a modern boring machine placing interlocking pre poured arched reinforced concrete structure with automation as it bores. Deep structures in dirt are much harder to construct. Boring machines can apply cutting force uniformly in rock. .None the less a 400ft deep bunker is not constructed easily even with the best equipment in the world in rock. As we see in ICBM missile silo construction less deep bunker construction with large amounts of reinforced concrete is infinitely less expensive easier, and provides better protection to boot. A billion dollar boring machine was brought to western Ukraine? How? What transported it to that booming metropolis? You are not going to construct a 400 ft deep facility with excavators. But with a pen it is constructed with a thousand calories.
My guess sheer fiction both the bunker and its destruction. Do I know? No. Humans do like power symbols. Both the supposed bunker and the Khinzhal are powerful. The khinzhal does exist. Linking it to a supposed deep bunker … A missile plunging deep into mother earth with primal power…Freud might have some things to say… If fiction certainly attractive fiction.
Transnistria is definitely a hot spot. A lot of the recent B-52 flights were on the Transnistria border. Two dozen b-52s flying just off ( or just inside by some reports) Western Russian airspace in its near entirety . Nothing to see there. Standard “deterrent posturing”. The massive soviet ancient artillery shell depot in Transnistria is needed by AFU if they are to continue. How they get it and transport it without it all going boom is questionable. Whether those old munitions will be more of a hazard to the artillery crews than the recipients of the munitions is questionable. None the less the 81rst airborne is in Romania a stones throw away. It sure beats trying to deploy in Donbass with no real armor. Maybe they will just climb into those Abrams? That munitions depot is going to make Lebanon port explosion look like a fire cracker. You really dont want to be close when it goes. A near permanent environmental disaster on a human scale of time.
When humans make things that go boom they usually end up going boom. From a simplistic viewpoint that is their purpose. All that effort and no boom?
Is a interesting question. What percentage of ordnance created in the last 100 years has been used and what percentage de mil.
The song “saturday night special” advocated small arms placed “at the bottom of the sea”. Yet the risk from nuclear weapons is curiously absent from our awareness.
Are Russia weapons systems that good? Are they rusty old junk? Exciting phallus questions! It doesnt really matter in regard to conventional weapons. If either side gets hammered it goes nuclear. The focus is nuclear now in weapons development and resource allotment. If one side or another prevails because of weapons technology it will be in the nuclear realm.
One might even postulate the Russians have held off a bit with conventional forces to delay the inevitable strategic nuclear exchange.. The question then becomes who does the delay benefit. If delay does not benefit why wait? THe obvious answer is USA hyperinflation is just around the corner. No I dont wish it want it or look forward to it but it might be humanities best hope. Its not a great hope. The nuclear weapons are designed to be robust. Their functionality will certainly be longer lasting than any economic ending.
Perhaps the dollar demise is eased into also for the same reason? Hell ill take the time! Oh yes I will!
“My guess sheer fiction both the bunker and its destruction.”
I think you are right.
Thanks for your reply jig.
I agree about the depth and did say that it was suspect(seemed pointless to even mention), but to give them the benefit of the doubt, there was no claim of the missiles penetrating to those depths, only that those depths existed.
You then go on to talk about how to dig, only using the most advanced technology.
There are many possibilities that have no need of any advanced modern technology.
How long has this underground system been there?
Was it originally natural, that had been repurposed and extended?
Had it been dug by hand, decades or even centuries ago(look up the Ellora caves if you doubt that is possible)?
I don’t see the point of your argument given the above and other possibilities(maybe it was dug in soviet times?).
That said, it wasn’t you that first mentioned the depth, so that adds some weight to your point.
I’m going to disagree with you on the Kinzhal, for the simple reason that both sides agree that they were used and neither side is saying where(not substations).
That added to Russia’s history of dealing with NATO and the officers they place in the countries they are destroying, would suggest it’s highly plausible, if somewhat exaggerated(learning from western media?).
Let’s see if any military specialists turn up dead, like the navy seal that died in Ukraine and they said he had gone AWOL(of course he did🙄).
I’m going to disagree with you on the Kinzhal, for the simple reason that both sides agree that they were used and neither side is saying where(not substations).
People get hypnotised by spectacular weapons or events. They aren’t important.
Real wars are won in a much more mundane way, just a several years long artillery slogging match where the side that runs out of shells first loses.
“Real wars are won in a much more mundane way”
They are indeed, but individual events can influence and any potential ratcheting up should be considered.
In a short space of time we’ve had 3 events that could be seen as one party or the other pushing to escalate. Might be irrelevant, might be a sign of escalation, might be another deliberate distraction.
In a short space of time we’ve had 3 events that could be seen as one party or the other pushing to escalate. Might be irrelevant, might be a sign of escalation, might be another deliberate distraction.
Just media noise. It’s not the first time American drones have been hijacked/shot down and nothing happened those times.
As to the 400 foot deep secret NATO bunker, that sounds made up.
Like the moon landings
jigisup – What’s your take on hyperinflation timeline?
Macron (this is exactly the type that the Elders want in leadership roles)
https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/68988
And this
https://youtu.be/UkmI1BHAr8I
Ardern is a junkie … with a partner who deals drugs
Trudeau was a drama teacher.
Biden.. haha… well he takes the cake… he’s norm’s hero — what more is there to say about this GOAT Grifter
If a donkey neighs in the forest but no one hears it, did the donkey neigh?
That equine filth has done incalculable damage to collapsed gang war zone new zealand. There is no way back to civilisation for these sad people.
IQs and standards of living in free fall.
But do not weep for them ye civilised world for they did bring it upon themselves. No moral courage.
Regarding Joe Biden, his son, and his brother, Zerohedge is reporting:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-family-suspicious-activity-banking-reports-be-released-treasury
Treasury To Give Biden Family ‘Suspicious Activity’ Banking Reports To GOP Investigators
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Nothing will come of this …
The purpose of doing nothing is to confuse the MOREONS — to leave them feeling powerless… it ties in with the tranny and pedo stuff… and the gummy bears…
It makes life not worth living … it makes UEP a welcome opt out of the madness
WHISTLEBLOWERS ABOUT HOSPITAL MURDERS
https://rumble.com/v1s6cs0–the-sequel-to-the-fall-of-the-cabal-part-23-covid-19-whistleblowers-about-.html
Hospitals were paid money for protocols that killed Covid patients.
Utopia – second last episode… there it is … the Ukey Flag
https://i.postimg.cc/pdLcNj0Q/Ukraine-Flag.png
Yep… it permeates every episode…
And around the same time ….this
https://rumble.com/vj5h25-london-2012-olympic-ceremony-for-covid-to-come.html
We are practically in the field of ‘subliminal manipulation’.
I remember there was a famous episode of Lieutenant Columbo, called ‘double exposure’ in which the killer used that technic in his work and Columbo used it back to catch him in his mistake.
In Italian the series was ‘Tenente Colombo’.
Colombo was an attempt to introduce Georges SImenon to the Americans/
All three actors are wearing the red white and les bleus. Macron playing the good cop.
When you put into Google the words catholic priest president, you get 2 persons as the top results.
https://www.google.com/search?q=catholic+priest+president&oq=catholic+priest+president&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160.3316j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
The president of Haiti:
“Jean-Bertrand Aristide, (born July 15, 1953, Port Salut, Haiti), Haitian politician and Roman Catholic priest of the Salesian order, who was a vocal champion of the poor and disenfranchised. He was president of the country in 1991, 1994–96, and 2001–04.”
The president fo the Slovak Republic during WWII:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jozef_Tiso
You can see further results on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_priests_in_public_office
What connects these 2 persons?
I think it is the degradation of the environment caused by the human activity (mining, deforestation, agriculture).
The theocracy is the sign of the implosion:
“The (First) Slovak Republic (Slovak: [Prvá] Slovenská republika), otherwise known as the Slovak State (Slovenský štát), was a partially-recognized client state of Nazi Germany which existed between 14 March 1939 and 4 April 1945. The Slovak part of Czechoslovakia declared independence with German support one day before the German occupation of Bohemia and Moravia. The Slovak Republic controlled the majority of the territory of present-day Slovakia but without its current southern parts, which were ceded by Czechoslovakia to Hungary in 1938. It was the first time in history that Slovakia had been a formally independent state.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_Republic_(1939%E2%80%931945)
Funny munny doesn’t add up to much really.
2% credit line must be close to being tested with SVB alone.
‘Fortunately, bail-ins do not apply to deposits under $250,000, which are protected by FDIC insurance. That is true in theory, but as of September 2021, the FDIC had only $122 billion in its insurance fund, enough to cover just 1.27% percent of the $9.6 trillion in deposits that it insures. The FDIC also has a credit line with the Treasury for up to $100 billion, but that still brings the total to just over 2% of insured deposits.’
https://www.unz.com/article/what-will-happen-when-banks-go-bust-bank-runs-bail-ins-and-systemic-risk/
Who cares? They just print whenever there’s a problem.
Yep – the only way this f789er goes to the bottom is when the energy situation tips…
It’s getting tiring and frustrating waiting for Armageddon.
Actually this whole thing tips from pissed off Plebs turning to violence when they can’t feed themselves or their families. Right now they are too distracted with the real important stuff in their lives like food/sex/entertainment.
That only happens when the energy situation goes critical and prices spiral and they cannot afford to eat — then prices collapse and the producers stop producing because they lose $$$.
What I don’t understand is we got the Arab Spring due to food price inflation … prices have to be at least as high now…. why are those the 3rd worlders not on the rampage?
We got a taste of it in Shriek Lanka… but then nothing…. are they ok with eating salted rice?
There are no insurance plans for bank deposits or pension plans or insurance companies that really have any significant funding in them.
Mostly, what happens, is a plan to assess the solvent organizations of the same type for whatever limited coverage is provided.
Best to keep some cash – gold — nearby… might prove useful during the last stages…
BTW – in Germany after WW2… you could have a hottie… for a crust of bread. When folks are desperate they do stuff they normally wouldn’t.
norm I know what you are thinking … my recommendation is to stockpile 100 loaves of Wonderbread.. it keeps for years
Hands up if you think this could make it to the moon and back… click on it for a closer view if you are unsure (or have had a lot to drink)
https://archive.org/download/AS11-40-5922/AS11-40-5922.jpg
Have you discovered Aulis.com? Some excellent detective work there. Goes into incredible detail about many aspects of the missions.
Incredible site; thanks. Found this excerpt….
‘Let us imagine a purely hypothetical Apollo astronaut who, accepting NASA’s reassurances, has unwisely embarked on a lunar mission. As soon as he gets beyond the Earth’s van Allen belts, he is exposed to cosmic radiation, and arrives on the lunar surface in a weakened state. He puts his queasiness and headaches down to nerves, maybe the food, and gets on with the experimental schedule, making a few initial forays onto the surface, returning to the LM covered in dust; naturally some of this high 232Th and 238U dust has already been inhaled and ingested by our explorer, with resultant committed doses of alpha, beta and gamma radiation. Then, on next exiting the LM, our astronaut is confronted by a worst-case scenario – a major cosmic ray influx, perhaps a gamma-ray burst, maybe in conjunction with a large increase in solar proton flux – along with enhanced levels of induced radiation from the cosmic ray influx as well as the usual surface radiation. By this stage our deeply sick astonaut is vomiting into his helmet, coughing up blood from the radioactive dust and glass shards, and from any inhaled radon (222Rn) and polonium (210Po) from the Moon’s tenuous atmosphere (able to enter the LM through the hatch). With severe diarrhoea overwhelming the suit’s limited waste storage capacity, our astronaut is now stumbling around desperately trying to find his way back to the LM, blinded by retinal damage, possibly even with eyes glowing blue from induced Cherenkov radiation, body covered with suppurating radiation sores both internally and externally. The O2 in the astronaut’s breathing apparatus as well as in his lungs and blood is being rapidly broken down by electromagnetic radiation, the free O either recombining into ozone or forming peroxide H2O2, further debilitating our astronaut’s burnt and congested lungs. Peroxide would also form in affected cells, killing them; while gamma radiation shreds both his DNA and biochemistry. We draw a discreet veil over the further sufferings of our luckless lunar adventurer as he collapses into the dust, his final coughs and gasps broadcast live to a global audience…’
So many narratives unwinding now, the fools-based international order is imploding.
The End
Ya but if he just stayed in The Contraption he’d be safe — maybe he could send out a mini helicopter to do all the work?
https://archive.org/download/AS11-40-5922/AS11-40-5922.jpg
You make flying to the moon seem really romantic—almost like a Frank Sinatra song.
in order to fake re entry—i wonder what happened to the aircrew who ejected the module from 30000 feet over the pacific
just askin
Not familiar with this but I would say that humans are able to fly into low Earth orbit… and that is low orbit…
Astronauts on the space shuttle report seeing ‘stars’ even with their eyes closed… that’s the Van Allen Belt radiation …
That’s Icarus getting too close to the VA Belts…
Eddy, the budget for staging at NASA is tight. What do you expect?
More seriously, since I have specific technical expertise, I looked about 6 years ago for documents that calculate the absorbed radiation when going through the Van Allen belt at a time of high solar activity. A portuguese Masters Thesis came up. As far as I could tell the simulation was done correctly using state of the art software (GEANT) BUT. They only presented results for 10 cm thick aluminum. Had that crummy thing such a thickness, it would have weighed 5-6 times more than NASA declared. So I am unable to find any evidence in favor of mankind going to the moon. aulis.com has many useful (but not all) documents. Another impressive paper came from Ukraine (kharkhov Univ.), and showed from triangulation that the hills depicted in the astronaut movies had to be 30 meters behind them, not kilometers. It’s in the memory hole now, at least with google.
I do think there are ways to get people past the belt. All you need is a whole body dentist suit for each astronaut. direct solar wind does not make it past the spacecraft skin, but X-rays from bremmstrahlung do. As x-ray absorption goes like Z^5, a lead suit will give 4 orders of magnitude increased absorption that are more than enough to get humans past the belts. We also have technology to take pics on the moon, which did not exist at the time.
Paper mache and tinfoil hahaha… and tape.
Is this a f789ing joke???
https://historicspacecraft.com/Photos/Lunar_Module/LM-2_NASM_RK_2008_2.jpg
The panels have massive gaps and are falling off hahaha
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/01/23/3ED8A03200000578-0-image-a-43_1491084340925.jpg
More foil
https://airandspace.si.edu/sites/default/files/media-assets/DDD%20figure%204.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/4052/4465951774_87c99ed1da_b.jpg
🙂
https://ilfattoalimentare.it/carta-stagnola-sicurezza-alluminio.html
The moon’s temperature can reach a boiling 250° Fahrenheit (120° Celsius or 400 Kelvin) during lunar daytime at the moon’s equator, according to NASA(opens in new tab).
Baked astronaut for dinner hahaha….
Moon Lander cultists are convinced 1+1 = 8. It’s a form of mental illness.
Same people inject Rat Juice.
ah yes, the ‘it doesn’t look like the space ship i saw in the movies’ argument. sigh.
Would it be too much to ask that the Lunar Module look at least as real as any Hollywood spaceship? Is this discrimination between movie goers and tv viewers acceptable? No no and no, I say! The right to illusions of similar quality is one of the cornerstones of democrassy!
It makes sense to make it look like something someone built in their garage using tinfoil cardboard and other scraps ….
This looks like it might have been a grade 8 class project… seriously…
The Moonies are speechless… they are all heading to the clinic for more Rat Juice to reinforce Mr Cognitive Dissonance hahaha
https://archive.org/download/AS11-40-5922/AS11-40-5922.jpg
And how did the astronauts stay warm/cool?
Space suits.
The moon’s temperature can reach a boiling 250° Fahrenheit (120° Celsius or 400 Kelvin) during lunar daytime at the moon’s equator, according to NASA(opens in new tab).
During a lunar night the moon’s temperature plummets to -208 degrees F (-130° C, 140 K) according to NASA. In certain spots near the moon’s poles temperatures can drop even further, reaching – 424° F (- 253°C or 20 K).
This looks like it could withstand extreme cold and then heat… — Hey it’s an early model Puffer Jacket hahaha
https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/apollo-11-space-suit-jason-abando.jpg
And of course this looks nice and comfy!
https://external-preview.redd.it/5Iels7wF7iMjoTmmeRwDaVenoZXSCTyHM0ptr-rI8xk.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=5c4cfa8cd1fbebcb41b502efc080b9f8cf1a6530
Those are fake too … in case you didn’t know … I guess they had a bigger budget?
I do wonder how the lunar contraption survived in that very harsh environment with loose panels paper mache card board tinfoil and tape…
And how did the astronauts stay warm/cool?
The moon’s temperature can reach a boiling 250° Fahrenheit (120° Celsius or 400 Kelvin) during lunar daytime at the moon’s equator, according to NASA(opens in new tab).
During lunar night time the moon’s temperature plummets to -208 degrees F (-130° C, 140 K) according to NASA. In certain spots near the moon’s poles temperatures can drop even further, reaching – 424° F (- 253°C or 20 K).
Intense radiation – and extreme temperature swings — yet they survived!!!
Bravo Bravo hahahaha… people will believe anything if CNNBBC tell them to
The moon landing is a bigger farce than even the Rat Juice shots
So the fact that the LM looks like it was built by my uncle in his garage just proves that this contraption rolled on the moon, right?
Didn’t say it proved anything. Just applied some common sense.
Please don’t slander common sense.
It makes sense to make it look like something someone built in their garage using tinfoil cardboard and other scraps ….
If it were fake they would just build a satisfyingly spaceshiplike movie prop, wouldn’t they?
So the fact that the LM looks like it was built by my uncle in his garage just proves that this contraption rolled on the moon, right? Today we learn from Whitnail that the absurdity of a narrative only reinforces its credibility. IOW credo quia absurdum.
In low Middle Ages you would be an intellectual giant.
JMS
you’ll be telling me next that the starship enterprise isn’t real
This is a good photo of the panels that have bigger gaps than a Tesla fender…
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/07/e6/2b07e6acd2c53c3a5f8a911121015059.jpg
https://c.tenor.com/6vvL7C_nd74AAAAC/tenor.gif
When the vast majority of a species believe this landed on the moon … what does that say about the species?
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/cb/8f/71cb8fd91cb79b3176ea2d96f4eef546.jpg
Spaceship Enterprise is as real as a model can be, just like the LM.
This of course under the wild assumption that something exists in this world.
Why bother … this contraption fooled almost everyone.
Just like they were able to convince 6B to inject an experiment…
They understand that the they are dealing with MOREONS — they prefer to use PR on them …
I betcha they try to outdo themselves.. they said — let’s build a piece of junk out of cardboard and tinfoil and see if the MOREONS will go for it
Winning hahaha
Do ya think something like that could fly? Do ya think it could shield from intense radation + extreme heat and cold?
If so you are mentally ill and need help immediately Call 911
What do we do with this? CDC’s VAERS database for COVID vaccine adverse effects; 5 month old baby boy’s mother got her 2nd dose Pfizer vaccine. see write-up; within 24 hours of breastfeeding
was inconsolable, had a rash, did not want to eat, mom took to ER, elevated liver enzymes, declined rapidly, died! diagnosed TTP blood clots, felt due to mRNA/spike exposure in breast milk
https://palexander.substack.com/p/what-do-we-do-with-this-cdcs-vaers
What should the mother do now?
25,000 good men have given their lives to defend us from the demons of hell. May G-d protect their widows, their children, their families, and their nation.
who are these guys? and which demons did they fight?
You too can make a fake war!!! https://www.callofwar.com/
This might be of interest in that it gives a real(read stuff)world analysis of the US financial problems and some of the serious issues including the recent banking problems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSqHufrH-mY
These are long blogs, but the point of interest begins at 42 minutes and almost immediately below there is a timeline in the comment section which makes picking and choosing easy.
I found it helpful and I am concerned; hard to find alternatives and Starship hasn’t launched yet, bummer.
My summary: policy is about to meet reality, it is a real world.
Dennis L.
could you repost just the linkk Dennis, it sounds interesting but the link didnt show for me
It is there, the link worked for me, go to the 42 minute mark(slider on bottom) for the relevant financial thoughts.
Dennis L.
I started at the beginning. (I will need to go back and look at the 42 minute marker). It explains that things are going very badly in for Ukraine in Bakhmut. It then says that the magazine Politico has an article that blames Ukraine for the problems. They did not follow the advice of the US. If they had, they would not have all of the problems that they have.
Alexander makes a lot of good points, about the US being overextended in 1971 with all its programs, and needing to leave the gold standard. Also, the new money after Breton Woods had oil backing it, and that sort of worked until the late 1990s, when the crises of 1997, 1998, and 1999 hit. After that, there was more and more financialization to try to keep things going–more debt at lower interest rates.
Now the world is overextended again. Alexander thinks that a big part of it is the military that cannot be supported by the US’s real-world capabilities. It cannot really make the armaments and tanks needed to fight the war in Ukraine. Alexander thinks that if the US scaled way back militarily, in could cut back on all of the financial tricks it is now using to try to keep things going.
In my opinion, the US has a lot more problems than being overextended militarily. It has made way too many pension promises to the elderly in the US. It also has a ridiculously costly medical program that is, in part, necessary because of the poor health of its citizens (related to the over-processed food people are eating and the lack of exercise).
The US’s university program is way overdone at this point as well. It is educating many young people for jobs that can never exist. The young people are taking on a huge amount of debt that they can never pay back to pay for this debt.
The whole system cannot work. High interest rates, with the current level of debt cannot work. The US cannot win at any war with Russia/China, I am afraid.
Prof. Retsef Levi Explains Why You Should Be Very Worried About Multi-Year Excess Mortality
“If you had a bad year when you had excess mortality, the pool of people that are likely to die has shrunk. So in the next year, in all likelihood, you’re not going to see excess mortality. But here, you see three years of excess mortality. And it’s going up. … And now you have to ask yourself, what is causing that?”
Full Video: http://bit.ly/3ZYZZyG
norm?
Somehow, this information needs to get out! Bad mortality persists.
The long term side effect tests are coming in now … apparently you ultimately die if you injected the Safe and Effective Rat Juice
All the MOREONS could be dead in a couple of more years and the last one would still not connect the dots
They are really really stoooopid these MOREONS
Real Fake? Fake Real?
Impossible to know
Explosive Outbreak of Deadly Bird Flu Kills Thousands of Sea Lions in Peru
Tim Pool: “So in February of 2019 … they began working on H5N1 (Bird Flu) to make it transmissible among mammals. Now, why would you go and do that? And now it is bouncing around mammals, and it does have a 60% mortality rate.”
https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1635450848246480897?s=20
If you spray that on produce in ten major US cities…..
“make it transmissible among mammals.”
This seems to be the way our scientist work. Of course, humans are mammals. Wants to reduce population as much as possible, as soon as possible.
Russia’s population nightmare is going to get even worse
War in Ukraine has aggravated a crisis that long predates the conflict
https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/03/04/russias-population-nightmare-is-going-to-get-even-worse
I can only see the beginning of the paywalled article, but it starts with
>> And because so many men of fighting age are dead or in exile, women now outnumber men by at least 10m.
However, here you can see that among the under-40 crowd, there are an excess of males. An excess of older women isn’t that important from a geo-strategic POV.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia
Also, Russian population is growing on account of regions being absorbed. So it is a net win for them – the pro-western population leaves and the overall population increases. I am speaking purely strategically here / no moral judgement.
yes, it’s huge that pro-westernWoketards are emigrating, and millions of pro-Russian people are immigrating mainly from Ukraine.
a great benefit to a great country with a Great Leader.
Russian population numbers look great compared to most countries.
peaked in the 1990s at 148 million, and now it’s 147 million.
stable numbers are most desirable.
The Economist is a proWoketardWestern propaganda rag.
we should overlook those readers who take it too seriously.
The Economist is a proWoketardWestern propaganda rag.
The Economist is trash. Like all Establishment media it hides from its readers that the West is now far less powerful than its rivals.
We are going to get a shock in Britain if the Americans ever do strong arm us into a war with China. They’ll sink our navy in a few minutes.
This is the most sensible comment I’ve ever seen with your name above it.
Are you sure you wouldn’t like to reconsider it?
also, as this newest OFW article shows in “Figure 5. Average Purchasing Power Parity GDP Per Capita…”
Russian per capita GDP is more than $30,000 which is a fantastically high number.
Vlad the Great should be given the world’s highest honors for his great work in leading Russia for these past 20+ years.
Putin the Magnificent.
Hear, hear!
One of my favourite pundits is Professor Dave Collum of Cornell Uni. He has conducted a number of straw polls on Twitter asking readers their preference when given the choice between VVP and his western “counterparts” (actually, not true as western pols are owned puppets/middle managers at best), and VVP comes out on top by an overwhelming majority for the reasons you listed.
Collum is a professor of organic chemistry, and also a well respected figure in the alt-fin media space – he totally gets the financial, political, social, and energy aspects of our predicament. He also coined what is now my favourite quotation…
“I am a “cons piracy the or ist”. I believe men and women of wealth and power con spire. If you don’t think so, then you are what is called “an idiot”. If you believe stuff but fear the label, you are what is called “a coward”
That quote is a keeper; it pairs nicely with …
‘Naivety, naiveness, or naïveté is the state of being naive. It refers to an apparent or actual lack of experience and sophistication, often describing a neglect of pragmatism in favor of moral idealism. A naïve may be called a naïf.’
‘.. naif…’
Nice
neat
nuff
said
Dave’s got that last part right — eh norm?
Bit disappointed in his newsletter this year.
Russia will likely be the centre of the re-birth of civilised life.
Their problem will be in keeping the Euro Barbarians out.
You can settle in the Ukraine and let yourself being missiled by the civilized Russia.
Or, you could have settled in (the Russian-populated part of) Ukraine any time since 2014 and got missiled by the civliized Ukraine. 14,000+ civilians dead, presumably a lot more injured.
The invasion of Crimea was what?
Any transgression of the limits is not o.k. Nobody bombards the civilized Russia. You can not use the minority protection as the excuse for the annexation.
That way Hitler annexed the parts of Czechoslovakia and went further…
Or you can try and live anywhere else in the ‘Rules Based International Order’ and get bombed, poisoned, transgendered, cancelled, Antifa’d, demon-cratised, injected ‘educated’ etc by the non Russian civilised world.
naif
Uncivilised Russia did try to negotiate via Minsk I and Minsk II but ‘The Rules Based International Order’ chose to act in its usual ‘Bringing Democracy to an Address near You’ via war crimes and bombing so whats a Vlad to do.
Have you seen the distribution ethnic make-up of Ukraine?
Lets not talk about those civilised western Bio-weapon labs either.
An economy can get along with a lot fewer men than women. Women are the mothers. Historically, only a small share of men have been fathers. A much larger share of women have been mothers.
Indiana Amateur Fighter Isaiah Abels 21, in ICU after suffering cardiac arrest during his bout at the Southern Indiana Combat Production event in Evansville.
So many of the fittest and healthiest dropping like flies, nothing seen like it in history.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21631609/mma-isaiah-abels-cardiac-arrest/
SAFE!
EFFECTIVE!
(at killing recipients!)
I’m Loving It !
Fake news – no mention of climate change.
Is the rise in CA-125 (Cancer Antigen 125) Levels indicative of Cancer Recurrence or a Vaccine Reaction? Does the mRNA technology COVID gene injection & rise in CA-125 signify increased cancer risk?
https://palexander.substack.com/p/is-the-rise-in-ca-125-cancer-antigen
So this is the cause of the epic staff shortages …
Dowd Edward: The Employed Population Has Basically Been Poisoned
“So what we’re seeing is, basically, since the release of the vaccines, a huge increase in the disability rates of particularly the employed of the country, and the numbers just keep getting worse and worse.”
Subscribe to https://t.me/TruthAboutCOVID
That is certainly one cause. Many of these substack articles you, and others, link to have comments from mainly nurses, a few doctors, who said they quit rather than take the death vaxx. Most of those who comment that they quit were female nurses close to retirement anyway, or perhaps had someone else to help support them, at least temporarily. That is in the USA.
Not sure about the UK, but there have been chronic shortages of doctors and nurses here long before the CV19 era. We have historically imported lots from less well-off nations, rather than train more ourselves and treat them better.
Same situation in NZ.
SS is afire with this https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/good-news-the-finger-pointing-phase
It’s kinda like the Biden saga…guilty as sin .. but nothing ever happens
The DOD is behind the Rat Juice.. the DOD is the law. Nobody is going to the gallows
I take this more as a signal that end game is close – the anti vaxxers interpret it as – we are winning — continue posting on SS – the strategy is working
Fools
thank you for the updates FE
In Germany.
Today’s politicians see no problem bailing out the rich depositors of SVB, a nicety which won’t extend to ordinary depositors when the cascade of bank failures will take place.
I have talked about the Global Enclosure, where today’s winners will basically seize everyone’s assets , kick out the unnecessariats to the cold to die, and advance to the next stage of civilization.
Gold and silver and cryptos and you-name-it won’t ave you. Any land you might have, unless you have very powerful friend at the top, will be seized. They will just condemn the land on whatever pretext and take it.
Seizing land at will occurred even in ancient Palestine, as the story of Naboth’s vineyard which was seized by King Ahab. Although Ahab’s dynasty later falls, it is not mentioned that the property was ever restored to Naboth’s descendants, and even the prophet Elisha turned a blind eye to it. He cursed a bunch of kids who teased him as being bald and made them killed by bears, and he also cursed his servant who took gifts from a Syrian general, but he said nothing about returning Naboth’s property back to his family.
Once seized, the property stays in the ruling class for ever.
In a utilitarian way, that is a good thing. Resources being concentrated among the top, with nothing or the rest, is very conducive for civiliation by reducing waste.
We will find out, in time. If there are not enough goods and services to go around, a lot of people will come out badly. Maybe some rich people will come out well, but I wouldn’t count on that everywhere.
As a property owner i consider myself one of the elite so i welcome this.
I agree with the reality of what elites are attempting. In fact the global enclosure movement is being orchestrated by “ hidden” factions who are part of a very specific ethnic group who have allied themselves with the demiurge to assert complete financial dominance of this simulacrum. They sold their soul essence’s in deep antiquity many cycles ago. They are trapped forever within the confines of this construct. They will never leave this place. They made a pact with the embodiment of evil to rule here, but as a result they suffer from impoverishment of soul and ultimately extinction of their souls.
On a more prosaic note;civilization has NEVER been saved in any previous cycle of the simulacrum,…. never once.
“Thus, Norse society’s structure created a conflict between the short-term interests of those in power, and the long-term interests of the society as a whole.
Ultimately, though, the Chiefs found themselves without followers.
The last right that they obtained for themselves was the privilege of being the last to starve.’
– Jared Diamond
To be clear. The ethnic group I am referring to is definitely not Norse.
The “chosen ones” are more middle eastern and infest all higher legal, banking and political institutions.
Just following where the evidence leads.
This guy reminds me of norm and withnail… you can provide them with evidence but they will get angry and remain in denial …
Watch https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/68856
I have hope for Withnail.
He’s not completely hopeless… and gets quite a few things right. I’ll assume he’s not injected the Rat Juice…
But norm… oh norm….norm is the OFW title holder. He does not believe in conspiracies hahaha…. norm wants that word banned from use.
Cancer in 0-54 year-olds, up 20%
This is Multiple Cause of Death, so Covid deaths must be filtered out of the equation. As Covid deaths drop, the 20% Cancer-Death signal begins to emerge from the noise.
This should alert any diligent and honest epidemiologist.
https://t.me/DowdEdward/2575
No biggie… so far. It’s only 20% … so what
Get your boosters you dummmb f789s! https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/68850
If the blue line is malignant neoplasms, it starts going up at the beginning of 2020 … this argues that Covid causes cancer, and is also consistent with both Covid and the vaccines causing cancer.
The lockdowns meant there was a major reduction in testing for cancer.
Lockdowns began early/mid 2020, so we should have seen rates fall during that time, but we don’t. Only the later increase would make sense under your explanation.
How could it be going up during the height of the lockdown when no tests were being done?
That’s my point. The chart goes up when lockdowns start.
The logic is the same as being able to recharge a helicopter in flight — using a tiny solar panel.
Right up there with having back and front lighting on perfect photos taken on the moon by men in cumbersome space suits – with only one source of light!
hahahahaha
Tell a big enough lie and people will believe it
The logic is the same as being able to recharge a helicopter in flight — using a tiny solar panel.
Mostly the helicopter sits on the ground recharging for the next very short flight. no big deal. sure it charges a tiny bit while in flight too.
But they say it recharges 35% while in flight…
And the average temperature is -80F… can you point me to the magic battery that recharges in -80 (and often colder) weather?
Oh right your mind just made that up — how’s that logic work?
FE demonstrates it is not possible to charge a battery in extreme cold…
So your mind just tells you — well they must have a magic battery that we don’t know about…
When the logical conclusion should be — hang on — these NASA f789ers are playing me… I been suckered… there ain’t no magic nuthing.
Thank you Fast Eddy – for showing me I was made a fool of … good to learn something .. the only way to progress is to admit being wrong.
I recommend not watching BBCCNN … you risk being norm .. he is never wrong.
But they say it recharges 35% while in flight…
i’m sure you’ve misread or misunderstood that. i don’t care to wade through mountains of NASA text to find your error since I believe NASA not you.
I believe it was stated in the first paragraph… but anyways… let’s unimagine that
That’s my point. The chart goes up when lockdowns start.
But no testing was being done so how were they diagnosing cancer?
I don’t recall hospitals closing during the lockdowns…
In fact I called a number of hospitals in NYC and Bali during the worst of it… they had wards for Covid people (which they told me were mostly empty) — it was BAU for the rest of the hospital.
I don’t recall hospitals closing during the lockdowns…
They did in the UK, no testing was done for many months for things like cancer and heart disease.
I hate to break it to you…but that’s not quite right:
Many people have not presented for cancer care or delayed care because of fear of healthcare interactions during the pandemic or misplaced beliefs that healthcare systems are shut to all but covid-19 patients. 5 Many have been socially isolated or unable to access care because of lockdowns, curfews, and border restrictions. 17
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2622
What doctors are seeing a lot of now are turbo cancers… caused by destroyed immune systems of the Rat Juiced who are unable to mount a defence.
unable to access care
is the significant phrase. as i said, testing for cancer was cancelled for months during the lockdown in the UK.
Withnail, in the US, surgeries and many other services were cancelled as well.
The cancers are also Turbo in nature…. they did not linger through lockdowns.
The virus too is arguably a bioweapon, just a less potent one.
The other thing is that the numbers jump in December 2019 – January/February-2020. Cancer takes some time to develop, so the virus wouldn’t have had time to cause all of those positive results unless it was very widespread at least months earlier.
This looks possibly like just noise. I am always suspicious of time series that does not show historical data – I’d like to see at least a 10-year chart.
“…The virus too is arguably a bioweapon…” Well, not according to Denis Rancourt. But here is the crux of the problem; everyone is in their ‘Silo’ believing to their heart’s content that this is the best silo in the world. Until we come out of our goddam silos nothing will change.
How can a bioweapon be made with something that is not even bios?
Or have virologists already discovered life on planet Virus and I missed the news? Cause the last time i checked, Virus was dead as a Pharaoh.
Exosomal mRNA is biological. Primordial biology. And if the mRNA vaxxes are functional then they are weaponized biology. They are a biological propaganda bomb that tells billions of little lies to the body, about the outside world. Evil genius.
You must be right about mRNA, which is indeed a different kind of devil.
My objection concerns the ridiculous ideia of weaponizing viruses that has been served to us by the Hollywood Meme Machine.
Yeah it is ridiculous. So-called ‘viruses’ are just exosomal mRNA, and exosomes, which are genetic primers, can’t DO anything beyond deliver information from the world outside the cell by entering the cytoplasmic ribosomes in order to get catalysed, by the ribosomal polymerase chain reaction, into growing into their complete sequence that is intelligently nested inside them like a memory.
The primordial intelligent patterning process is the process of exosomal mRNA primers getting catalyzed by polymerase and using their nested/embedded memory to pattern the free nucleic acids, that are also floating in the polymerase, into the complete sequence. The rt-pcr test is a farmed version of this using compatible bacteria polymerase.
Reverse transcription then entails translating the complete sequence and sending it to the nucleus for interaction in the nuclear polymerases and, ultimately, with chromosomes.
and i quote Milner … I didn’t want to be a killer… but it’s necessary… if we don’t act 8 billion will starve.
Truth.
Extinction is good. It is necessary.
Milner says it’s depop. The MOREONS believe that and depop is better than extinction.
But non MOREONS understand depop is extinction.
Nothing to discuss.
And no way in hell this thing landed on the moon hahahaha (brains are exploding trying to rationalize this)
https://archive.org/download/AS11-40-5922/AS11-40-5922.jpg
Appreciate your tacit acknowledgment that viruses don’t exist, Fast Eddy. That’ll do.
This chart is hard to interpret. The zero baseline seems to be the expected number of malignant neoplasms for the age group indicated (0 to 54). We can’t tell how many are expected below this zero baseline, which is a major part of what makes it confusing. Also, there is what seems to be a “0” level on the vertical axis which is different from the “PPE adjusted baseline,” which is lower.
Supposedly the percentage change recently is 20%, so the increase in 2020 must have been much smaller. If the 2020 change is from the 0 level on the vertical axis, it isn’t very high at all. Perhaps people not going to the doctor could account for the problem.
Well then we are all dead men walking because 98 percent of people have had some sort of covid virus. And if they have not had it they will get it…unless they live in a bubble. Such bullShl8 people post just about anything without thinking….
This site is really going downhill…..so booooooring…… boomers!
Doctors are Baffled After 17-Year-Old Girl Suffered Cardiac Arrest While at a Cheer Competition
Last week, a healthy and active 17-year-old girl suddenly suffered a cardiac arrest during a cheer competition, leading to multiple seizures.
Keianna Joe had a seizure and stopped breathing after suffering a cardiac arrest while in warmups at a competition in Raleigh, North Carolina.
they still do not know what caused the seizure, but they suspect at first that it was caused by her not eating and consuming a Red Bull, as well as the “stimulation of cheer caused her heart to go into arrhythmia, triggering multiple seizures.”
READ MORE HERE (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/doctors-are-baffled-after-17-year-old-girl-suffered-cardiac-arrest-while-at-a-cheer-competition/)
@childcovidvaccineinjuriesuk
I bet the doctors aren’t baffled… they are too scared to state the obvious… they like $$$ and don’t want to lose it
Over 5 MILLION INJURIES & 50,663 DEAD Following COVID-19 Vaccines in Europe
While the number of COVID-19 vaccine doses administered in Europe is decreasing, our analysis determined that the Pfizer mRNA boosters for OMICRON BA.4-5 variants, and the Moderna mRNA boosters for OMICRON BA.4-5 variants, are causing a significantly higher percentage of fatalities among the cases reported than the original COVID-19 shots.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2023/50663-dead-and-5315063-injured-following-covid-19-vaccines-in-european-database-of-adverse-reactions/
This is collateral damage… it’s not the intention. Bad QC
Bad QC strikes again!
Yeah enjoy your quality career ivan
It looks less and less viable, I must admit!
It will be fascinating to see how the various states handle this.
https://www.reuters.com/world/chinas-xi-plans-russia-visit-soon-next-week-sources-2023-03-13/
China’s Xi plans Russia visit as soon as next week – sources
Chinese President Xi Jinping plans to travel to Russia to meet his counterpart Vladimir Putin as soon as next week, people familiar with the matter said, which would be sooner than previously expected.
Plans for a visit come as China has been offering to broker peace in Ukraine, an effort that has been met with scepticism in the West given Beijing’s diplomatic support for Russia.
Putin said last month that a Xi visit had been agreed, though the Kremlin chief gave no date for a possible visit. The Wall Street Journal reported last month that a visit to Moscow could take place in April or early May.
Last month, Putin hosted China’s top diplomat Wang Yi on a visit to Moscow. One source said that Wang’s trip to Moscow was to help prepare for Xi’s visit.
China and Russia struck a “no limits” partnership in February of 2022, when Putin was visiting Beijing for the opening of the Winter Olympics, weeks before Russia invaded Ukraine. The two sides have continued to reaffirm the strength of their ties.
Xi has met Putin in person 39 times since becoming president, most recently in September during a summit in central Asia.
On Monday, Xi wrapped up the annual session of China’s parliament, the National People’s Congress, during which he was unanimously confirmed in a precedent-breaking third term as president.
Plans for a visit come as China has been offering to broker peace in Ukraine, an effort that has been met with scepticism in the West given Beijing’s diplomatic support for Russia.
China has not been offering to broker peace. It issued a statement in which it blamed the US for the war, that has been all.
China is building its energy security, supposedly in preparation for any USA sanctions. The geopolitical ‘chess board’ is pretty active right now.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/13/after-years-of-isolation-xi-jinping-china-looks-to-dominate-world-stage
President Xi expected to visit Iran and to meet Vladimir Putin soon as he aims to build ties abroad
…. On Friday, Iran and Saudi Arabia announced a Chinese-brokered deal to restore diplomatic relations, seven years after the relationship was severed. In a joint statement, the Saudi and Iranian governments thanked China for sponsoring and hosting the talks. Chinese diplomats have been working the Middle East circuit for several weeks and Xi is expected to visit Iran soon.
On Saturday, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson said: “China pursues no selfish interest whatsoever in the Middle East … China always believes that the future of the Middle East should always be in the hands of the countries in the region.”
US officials brushed off the notion that the deal represented a blow to US influence in the Middle East. But that is how it was portrayed in China. Wang Yiwei, the director of the Institute of International Affairs at Renmin University of China, said the deal “proves that Chinese medicine can solve problems that western medicine cannot solve”.
Stability in the region serves China’s interests. About half of China’s crude oil imports come from the Middle East, and on a visit to Saudi Arabia last year Xi vowed to buy more. Energy security is increasingly important to Beijing as it looks to become more resilient to international sanctions in the event of a conflict with Taiwan.
Xi’s ambitions for Taiwan were another key theme of Monday’s speech. China regards the self-governing island as a renegade province that needs to be reunited with the mainland. Xi has not ruled out the use of force to achieve that aim.
On Monday, he said China “should actively oppose the external forces and secessionist activities of Taiwan independence” and “unswervingly advance the cause of national rejuvenation and reunification”.
He promised to build China’s military into a “great wall of steel”. China’s defence budget will increase by 7.2% in 2023, compared with a general public expenditure increase of 5.7%.
Li’s links with Russia are another sign that Xi wants to protect the Sino-Russian relationship. Xi’s support for Vladimir Putin during the war in Ukraine has been evident, although China claims to be neutral and denied US claims that it was considering sending lethal arms to Russia. Last month, China’s top diplomat, Wang Yi, met Putin in Moscow and said the Sino-Russian relationship was “never dictated by any third parties”.
Something to “advance the cause of [ ] rejuvenation and reunification..”
USA (/NATO) is attempting a ‘colour revolution’ (regime change) in Georgia. The Georgian government tried to pass a law against foreign agents b/c Georgia is threatened by a colour revolution, but the law failed, and USA is upping the protests. It is similar to the 2014 Maidan coup in UKR.
They are calling for the recapture of Ossetia from Russia. USA hopes to open a second front against Russia, even though Georgia is obviously no match for Russia, but that is ‘all good’ so far as USA is concerned. It will be interesting to see how this farce develops.
Georgia is very dependent economically on Russia, and it would be very reckless for Georgians to go along with this. They are being used as geopolitical pawns, and USA is completely indifferent to their fate just as it is completely indifferent to the fate of Ukrainians.
Eddy and all, you have to watch the US version of Utopia. It is hilarious to watch John Cusack give the monologue explaining what needs to be done while bound foot to neck in duct tape. I suggest you first watch Cusack as a professional hitman in Grosspoint Blank, a comedy classic.
In the US version things are sunny, bright, clean and new. Yellow and blue yes, Ukraine explicitly mentioned.
Excellent short series. It also nicely illustrates how easily people can be convinced to take something which will kill them. Mostly, you just have to ask nicely. It showed exactly how a government could be taken over by pharma. So much going on… plus that catchy music.
It did not show how govt could be taken over by Farma…
It showed a govt plan to address overpopulation by injecting everyone with a vaccine that was purported to save them from the Russian Flu but that was actually intended to sterilize almost all of them.
This
https://youtu.be/dBSU4cOUUYg
I didn’t notice the UKEY references… I still have a few S2 episodes to watch
The US version lacked all style. The characters were rubbish compared to the UK version. Stopped after a couple of episodes. The original was chilling and seemed a bit far fetched but now well ………….?
There are some additional hints at what was to come … in the US version … that were not in the UK version – so worth watching.
But the UK version is definitely superior.
I couldn’t stand more than fifteen minutes of the US version. It looks too cheap and ugly. Maybe I’ll give it another chance someday.
The dilemma of the limits to growth:
We need something, but we do not want it.
We need immigrants, but we do not want them.
We need fossil fuels, but we do not want them.
We need industrialised agriculture, but we do not want it.
You are right.
And, of course:
We need growth, but we do not want it.
Because of the approaching limits.
https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/CS%20outflows_1_0.jpg
I keep wondering how soon Credit Suisse will be the next bank to go under.
The 100% bailout of depositors at the failed banks means depositors now have no concerns about losing any money if they participate in a run on their own bank.
The government has therefore created a much greater incentive for customers to pull their money from regional banks and put it into Treasures at 5% interest.
The bailout will cause many more banks to fail.
That seems quite possible.
According to AAA, in freezing temperatures of 20°F and below, there is a 41% decline in long-range mileage ability if the heater is running. A 41% performance decline is the difference between being able to drive 100 miles in warm weather versus 59 miles in cold.
The temperature on Mars is relatively low, averaging about minus 80 degrees Fahrenheit https://www.space.com/16907-what-is-the-temperature-of-mars.html
Hmmm… so how did they fly the helicopter … and how did they operate the dune buggy thing and all the gear in these temperatures?
And the more the temperature dropped, the longer it took to charge the battery. Under the coldest conditions, the rate of charging was roughly three times slower than at warmer temperatures. https://inl.gov/article/electric-vehicles/
I betcha they didn’t try to charge a battery in -80F …
nope chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.aaa.com/AAA/common/AAR/files/AAA-Electric-Vehicle-Range-Testing-Report.pdf
I betcha it’s impossible or would take a very very long time to charge a battery .. in -80F.
The Mars stuff is CGI … looks real huh?
https://youtu.be/u3xkbq6azS4?t=78
special batteries adapted for cold conditions. Obviously lithium batteries like we use on earth could not be used.
Yes it’s a magic battery – lithium … but magic – it recharges in flight!
During the eight-hour operation, the performance of the rotorcraft’s six lithium-ion batteries was analyzed as the team brought their charge level up to 35%. The project has determined a low charge state is optimal for battery health during the cruise to Mars.
Once Ingenuity is deployed on Mars’ surface after Perseverance touches down, its batteries will be charged solely by the helicopter’s own solar panel.
https://mars.nasa.gov/news/8736/nasas-ingenuity-mars-helicopter-recharges-its-batteries-in-flight/
People will believe anything …
Remember the guy who tried to charge his Tesla in moderately cold weather? He was doing that using a plug in…. Hmmm… now imagine trying to charge an EV using solar panels…. you’d need a lot of solar panels!!! And invertors and all sorts of other complicated stuff…
Yet the chopper can recharge in flight using a single tiny solar panel hahaha…
This is bullshit … you been played.
CGI Tonight Baby
Yes it’s a magic battery – lithium
Must be a special gel that doesnt freeze in the conditions there
Ya must be. I wonder what it could be though… I imagine you’d need a pump to circulate whatever it is… more weight … more complicated stuff.. more drain on the battery….
Whatever it is Tesla should use it on their vehicles…
But it ain’t this:
Calculate Freezing Point and Burst Point of Glycol Antifreeze
DOWTHERM™ SR-1 is not available in concentrations below 25% as ethylene glycol solutions less than 25% may be at risk for bacterial contamination. If you require freeze point protection for temperatures between -28°F and -60°F, contact us to determine a custom concentration.
I don’t see anywhere to store the magic stuff… check out the solar panel – that tiny thing on top ….hahaha seriously? What about the invertor – ya can’t charge direct duh…
https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/nasa-ingenuity-1024×538.jpg
Imagine how fast the rotor would have to spin in an atmosphere 1/100th that of Earth.
That sure would drain a tiny battery rather quickly …
Seems the more obvious and ridiculous the lie … so long as BBCCNN spew it … people believe it.
The PR Team could make you believe Mother Theresa was pi mping children.. easily
I imagine you’d need a pump to circulate whatever it is…
you imagine wrong.
Got any photos of this imaginary special gel?
Whatever it is Tesla should use it on their vehicles…
What is suitable and affordable for a small, very light helicopter on Mars may well not be suitable or affordable for a Tesla car on earth.
These aren’t difficult concepts really.
Yes but what price does one put on an imaginary battery? Of any size?
Got any photos of this imaginary special gel?
No, I don’t even know that it exists. I assume it does.
I had an uncle (married into the family so no risk of that happening to FE)… he believed he was being followed by sinister forces… they were trying to get into his house… there were all assumptions .. imaginary…
We referred to him as Crazy when we were kids… I have a more nuanced description … he was actually just mentally ill
eddy
you are perfectly correct in your assessment of EV
iwish you were correct more often
instead of like a stopped clock—twice a day
And a helicopter cannot be charged in -80F Mars weather.
And a helicopter cannot be charged in -80F Mars weather.
it can if the sun is shining and it has battteries designed for the conditions by scientists.
You forgot to use the word imaginary… that’s what we call things that do not exist…
Imaginary … or delusions
‘Now lets try it for another real place. Mars is at a distance of 1.5 AUs from the Sun. 1/d^2 = 1/1.5^2 = 1/2.25 = 44%. There is less than half as much sunlight falling on the surface of Mars as on Earth! ‘
We need that solar panel back here; it could run a small town it is soooo good!
I like your math.
But that little panel is a … magic solar panel…. just as the battery … is a magic battery!
Oh – and this — yes THIS … flew to the moon and back hahahahahaha
You’d have to be mentally ill and re T ard ed to believe that… and pretty f789ing stooopid as well.
https://archive.org/download/AS11-40-5922/AS11-40-5922.jpg
Do you see any sort of insulation?
Sigh. The battery will be wrapped in aerogel inside the box wrapped in silver foil.
The moving parts are not insulated.
Insulation on a battery is useless – unless you heat it… what’s the heating source?
This is f789ing ridiculous. Give me my pearls back.
in Alice in Eddyland–the Mars probe thing never happened—all faked again
but in the world of reality, I’ve no doubt a battery could be made to function at a very low output in adverse conditions
I don’t know how it was done, but theres no doubt it was done
in norm’s imaginary world sensitive electronic equipment can pass through The Belts and survive the extreme radiation of space…
I vote for norm to be the first man on the moon – then Mars!
norm’s magic Booster Rat Juice will protect him from the real radiation hahaha
The moving parts are not insulated.
They don’t need to be. They won’t ice up.
Insulation on a battery is useless – unless you heat it… what’s the heating source?
its not hard to make a heating element using electricity assuming it is necessary.
Since we are discussing an imaginary situation given the NASA engineer says we cannot fly a machine through the Van Allen Belts without damaging the electronics… why don’t we also train a small monkey to operate the helicopter and ride around on top of it …
My friend says he’s keen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhRuama5Nag
Let’s discuss why NASA exists… as we gradually destroy Earth … humans need a new narrative… one that involves ditching what will eventually become a paved over hell hole devoid of resources… and jetting off to other Earth-like planets…
First we pretended to go to the moon … then we pretended to go to Mars (unmanned) … then we’ll pretend to go to the imaginary Earth like planets https://www.space.com/two-earthlike-planets-nearby-star-system
Did I mention that in addition to The Belts … there is the extreme radiation in deep space that we still cannot overcome:
XLab graduate student Max Holliday said NASA already has the propulsion and spacecraft technology needed to explore the solar system. What’s lacking is electronics that can withstand the radiation and temperature extremes of space. XLab hopes its work will factor into future missions like the possible exploration of Europa. This cold, radiation-rich moon of Jupiter could harbor evidence of life. Sensors made from gallium nitride and zinc oxide could plausibly survive the voyage to Europa and aid in its exploration.
“Developing tiny but tough electronics will help enable the next era of space exploration,” Senesky said.
https://engineering.stanford.edu/magazine/article/how-do-we-build-electronic-materials-can-survive-radiation
And this survived… that… I guess they worked it out without telling us how?
Yes of course – CGI…
https://meedios.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Ingenuity.jpg
This would not be possible without Aerogel, which has extremely low thermal conductivity. This is the stuff that is almost the same weight as air.
This would not be possible without Aerogel, which has extremely low thermal conductivity. This is the stuff that is almost the same weight as air.
Ah that’s the answer then, thanks.
Not used much on earth due to it being very expensive.
Do you see any sort of insulation?
https://d2pn8kiwq2w21t.cloudfront.net/original_images/imagesmars202020190606PIA23151-16.jpg
But check out the magic tiny solar panel!
https://d2pn8kiwq2w21t.cloudfront.net/original_images/imagesmars202020190606PIA23151-16.jpg
Hmmm… it’s cheap — I wonder why they don’t use this on EVs?
https://www.amazon.com/aerogel-insulation/s?k=aerogel+insulation
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175168290654?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5338904988&customid=US_BusinessAndIndustrial&toolid=10050
But check out the magic tiny solar panel!
And? It takes a long time to charge and the drone doesnt fly for long. also you’re forgetting Mars only has one third of earth’s gravity.
the drone is light, on Mars it hardly weighs anything.
Ya it has 1% of the atmosphere of Earth… ya need atmosphere to life off… duh….
ya need atmosphere to life off… duh….
Thats why the blades turn much faster than they do on an earth based helicopter.
Mars has almost no atmosphere … 1% of Earth’s… imagine how fast they’d have to spin…
Anything is possible with CGI.
eddys fakery is spreading throughout the known universe
—to boldly fake where no fakers have faked before—–Captain Kirk—eat yer heart out
(Slow start this morning eddy—i hope everything is ok—not enough to warrant a daftcount)
Withnail
When you’re spinning your wheels does it help when you spin them faster?
I may get a high resolution print out of this and put it on the wall in my front entrance… I like making people feel uncomfortable. Next to the Covid Vaccines Kill sticker
Withnail
When you’re spinning your wheels does it help when you spin them faster
You might want to go away and learn how it is possible for planes and helicopters to fly.
It’s the same reason why they cannot fly in a near vacuum … which is what we have on Mars hahaha
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/credit-suisse-cds-hits-record-high-silicon-valley-banking-crisis-spreads-europe
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United Airlines Flight 2007 GUA-ORD from Guatemala to Chicago diverted on March.11, 2023 due to “incapacitated pilot” who had chest pains – now 3rd pilot incident this month
https://makismd.substack.com/p/united-airlines-flight-2007-gua-ord
There’s a YT Channel that is devoted to commercial aviation. The owner of the channel was asked to fly to the UAE to promote and recruit for Emirates Airlines. The spokesperson for the airlines said that there will be a 600,000 hire for airline pilots in the next 10-20 yrs because of the current and future shortages. I have never heard of that prior to the vax and booster shots.
Nasser explained, “There is a lot of potential for growth in aviation,” adding, “And with China opening up and the lack of investment, there is definitely a concern in the mid-to-long term in terms of making sure there is adequate supplies in the market.” He also suggested that while substantial U.S. fuel supplies have supported a fall in oil prices, the slowing of drilling activities could threaten the future supply.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/The-World-Desperately-Needs-More-Oil-And-Gas-Investment.amp.html
Nasser is the latest of several energy experts to state their concern about underinvestment in the industry. Upstream spending has fallen from around $700 billion in 2014 to between $370 to $400 billion today. While this reflects the expansion of the energy industry to include alternative cleaner forms of energy and a gradual move away from fossil fuels, this is very low considering the continued high demand for oil and gas.
TRANSPORTATION
Air India places orders for 470 Boeing and Airbus aircraft
PUBLISHED TUE, FEB 14 20239:37 AM EST
The Associated Press
Air India is placing orders for 470 Boeing and Airbus aircraft, underlining the surging demand for increased mobility in a nation with a swelling middle class.
Air India is ordering 220 Boeing aircraft valued at $34 billion. The orders include 190 737 Max aircraft, 20 of Boeing’s 787s, and 10 of its 777Xs. The purchase also includes customer options for an additional 50 737 Maxs and 20 of its 787s, totaling 290 airplanes for a total of $45.9 billion at list price.
It is Boeing’s third-largest sale of all time, in dollar value, and its second of all time in quantity.
“This purchase will support over 1 million American jobs across 44 states, and many will not require a four-year college degree, said President Joe Biden. “This announcement also reflects the strength of the U.S.-India economic partnership. Together with Prime Minister Modi, I look forward to deepening our partnership even further as we continue to confront shared global challenges—creating a more secure and prosperous future for all of our citizens.”
Air India on Tuesday put in an order for 250 Airbus passenger jets.
And Nuttie Eddie we are going BACK with a Woman to land on the MOON..I guarantee
One of the needs will be fuel for all of these planes. It is difficult to see where this fuel will come from.
THE AGE OF AMERICAN NAVAL DOMINANCE IS OVER
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/04/us-navy-oceanic-trade-impact-russia-china/673090/
The United States has ceded the oceans to its enemies. We can no longer take freedom of the seas for granted.
By Jerry Hendrix
The united states is no longer investing in the instruments of sea power as it once did. America’s commercial shipbuilding industry began losing its share of the global market in the 1960s to countries with lower labor costs, and to those that had rebuilt their industrial capacity after the war
In 1977, American shipbuilders produced more than 1 million gross tons of merchant ships. By 2005, that number had fallen to 300,000. Today, most commercial ships built in the United States are constructed for government customers such as the Maritime Administration or for private entities that are required to ship their goods between U.S. ports in U.S.-flagged vessels, under the provisions of the 1920 Jones Act.
The U.S. Navy, too, has been shrinking. After the Second World War, the Navy scrapped many of its ships and sent many more into a ready-reserve “mothball” fleet. For the next two decades, the active naval fleet hovered at about 1,000 ships. But beginning in 1969, the total began to fall. By 1971, the fleet had been reduced to 750 ships. Ten years later, it was down to 521. Reagan, who had campaigned in 1980 on a promise to rebuild the Navy to 600 ships, nearly did so under the able leadership of his secretary of the Navy, John Lehman. During Reagan’s eight years in office, the size of the Navy’s fleet climbed to just over 590 ships.
Today the United States is financially constrained by debt, and psychologically burdened by recent military conflicts—for the most part, land-based actions in Iraq and Afghanistan fought primarily by a large standing army operating far from home—that turned into costly quagmires. We can no longer afford to be both a continentalist power and an oceanic power. But we can still exert influence, and at the same time avoid getting caught up in the affairs of other nations. Our strategic future lies at sea.
…Most of the civilian merchant ships, container ships, ore carriers, and supertankers that dock in American ports are built overseas and fly foreign flags. We have ignored the linkage between the ability to build commercial ships and the ability to build Navy ships—one reason the latter cost twice as much as they did in 1989. The lack of civilian ships under our own flag makes us vulnerable. Today we remember the recent backlog of container ships in the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, but tomorrow we could face the shock of no container ships arriving at all should China prohibit its large fleet from visiting U.S. ports. Today we’re proud to ship liquefied natural gas to our allies in Europe, but tomorrow we might not be able to export that energy to our friends, because we don’t own the ships that would carry it. We need to bring back civilian shipbuilding as a matter of national security.
Well, the author got one aspect correct…it’s over….
Trying to find good excuses…
‘Behind migrants invasion to Italy there is Russia…says Minister of Defense’
https://www.secoloditalia.it/2023/03/migranti-vertice-a-palazzo-chigi-crosetto-dietro-limpennata-degli-sbarchi-ce-la-russia/
Blame Russia for everything. That, and climate change.
We have had bad weather for several days in my region. I wonder if it’s Russia’s fault.
But it has happened in the recent past that Russia has presented a lot of refugees at the Belorussian / Poland border. The article claims Wagner is very active in some countries in Africa which we know is true, and Russian influence is growing, particularly as French influence is waning. I would give this idea a hearing, particularly as there seems to be fresh chaos being unleashed recently
Playflow, I live in Italy, last arrivals came from Afghanistan where US has left without any protection many people.
Inside last boat there was even an Afghan journalist with her children.
Others arrivals were from Pakistan, a Country with terrible economic situation, before Russia-Ukraine war.
For the rest, main arrivals are from people with Maghreb countries in difficult situation, like but mainly they are arrive from center Africa where French influence is predominant.
They are arrive for instance from Country with very difficult situation like Nigeria or Niger.
Of course we can say that a war has worsened the overall situation, but we have only to admit that Nato provoked the situation to arrive to the war.
We have been arming and pumping Ukrainian right wing ‘volunteers’ since a long ago….
Russia is the whipping boy for everything! Very convenient and useful
For Gail’s consideration, energy cross-over. Peter Whittle over at the New Culture Forum has a tentative conversation with Mary Harrington in “Women’s Liberation” Has Left Women in a Hell of Their Own Making.
It takes some time to build as a good conversation should – this proves that she believes she has the tiger by the tail. Of all things as a natural but unexpected consequence energy usage, trans humanism, and personal covenants fall out. I think there is more than enough there there for all to see a thesis justified and sensitively assembled.
https://youtu.be/0k29ZXGdwUc
Most women, now, are in a positions that they have to work. Earnings are not very good for most women (or men). Economy depends on earnings of both partners. I only listened to a little of the video.
The video write-up says:
“Economy depends on earnings of both partners.”
When in human history was this not the case? Men and women had children, even that took both partners.
Dennis L.
quite correct Dennis
It’s time to ‘reset’ our thoughts on two things: One, women in power… wasn’t this supposed to end war? and two, nuclear weapons …ditto.
War will never end. It’s just something we do.
This is what a million dollars looks like.
https://www.providentmetals.com/gold-buffalo-monster-box.html
Advertisement says that the box to hold rolls of gold coins is sold out.
Must be popular!
For Mirror and those who are interested. I heard of Yamnaya culture only thanks to a Mirror’s post and here we go again inside the following article.
(Haaretz)
”Archaeologists Identify the Earliest Horse Riders.
The Botai in central Asia may have been first to domesticate the horse, but they weren’t the first to get on its back”
https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2023-03-04/ty-article/archaeologists-identify-the-earliest-horse-riders/00000186-a265-d6e6-a3af-fb7563fb0000
Student, this is the original paper from 2015, which demonstrated that Yamnaya steppe pastoralists invaded Europe ~4500 ky, and likely introduced the Indo-European languages into Europe. The genomes of ancient skeletons shows that Steppe ancestry is completely absent elsewhere in Europe before 4500 ky and flooded in at that time. The Yamnaya steppe genetic component is a very distinct ~50/50 combination of Eastern European HGs and Caucasus (Armenia) HGs from the south of the steppe. The genomes of the skeletons show that the Neolithic population of Europe was mainly Anatolian farmer with some western European HG groups that were assimilated by the farmers. Modern European genomes are mainly a combination of the three sources, Anatolian farmer, Steppe and a little WHG. There is also an East Asian (Uralic) component in NE Europe. This paper was a key event in archaeogenetics, and subsequent papers have given more detail to the history.
– This is a press release from the time:
https://www.shh.mpg.de/36925/Nature_02_2015
A Massive Migration From the Steppe Brought Indo-European Languages to Europe
…. In earlier studies, several of the same authors had shown that Europeans today are a mixture of three very different ancestral populations: hunter-gatherers, first farmers, and a population with eastern affinities that was not yet present in Europe at the time of the first farmers. It was unclear when and how this eastern component arrived in Europe. “When we first looked at the new data, it was a Eureka moment,” says Lazaridis. “The eastern ancestry was present in every single sample starting at around 4,500 years ago, and absent in every single one before that time.”
Haak goes even further: “The great power of the genetic data can be seen from the fact that we could go almost as far as to genetically date samples based on whether they have one, two or all three of the components. Indeed, three individuals were assigned based on their archaeological context to a period older than 4,500 years ago and yet the genetics revealed that all had eastern ancestry. The team then decided to commission radiocarbon dates: “The noticeable similarity[b1] of Corded Ware and Yamnaya cultures is also seen in their material remains. This affinity could now also be testified scientifically.”, adds co-author Professor Harald Meller, director of the State Museum of Prehistory in Halle, which provided a substantial number of prehistoric specimens.
“People associated with the Corded Ware culture are the first group with evidence of the eastern ancestry and also have the most, suggesting a major genetic turnover around this time” says Dr Haak. “We estimate that around 75% of the ancestry of the Corded Ware people in Germany came from a population related to the Yamnaya people who were steppe pastoralists from Russia expanding westwards,” says Lazaridis, adding that “the Corded Ware and the Yamnaya are genetically very similar despite living 2,600 km apart”.
– And this is the original paper in pdf.
Massive migration from the steppe is a source for Indo-European languages in Europe
…. We generated genome-wide data from 69 Europeans who lived between 8,000-3,000 years ago by enriching ancient DNA libraries for a target set of almost four hundred thousand polymorphisms. Enrichment of these positions decreases the sequencing required for genome-wide ancient DNA analysis by a median of around 250-fold, allowing us to study an order of magnitude more individuals than previous studies and to obtain new insights about the past. We show that the populations of western and far eastern Europe followed opposite trajectories between 8,000-5,000 years ago. At the beginning of the Neolithic period in Europe, ~8,000-7,000 years ago, closely related groups of early farmers appeared in Germany, Hungary, and Spain, different from indigenous hunter-gatherers, whereas Russia was inhabited by a distinctive population of hunter-gatherers with high affinity to a ~24,000 year old Siberian6 . By ~6,000-5,000 years ago, a resurgence of hunter-gatherer ancestry had occurred throughout much of Europe, but in Russia, the Yamnaya steppe herders of this time were descended not only from the preceding eastern European hunter-gatherers, but from a population of Near Eastern ancestry. Western and Eastern Europe came into contact ~4,500 years ago, as the Late Neolithic Corded Ware people from Germany traced ~3/4 of their ancestry to the Yamnaya, documenting a massive migration into the heartland of Europe from its eastern periphery. This steppe ancestry persisted in all sampled central Europeans until at least ~3,000 years ago, and is ubiquitous in present-day Europeans. These results provide support for the theory of a steppe origin of at least some of the Indo-European languages of Europe.
https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/nature14317.pdf
Thank you for all this information
Why is ramping up nuclear fission generally not considered here on OFW a good approach to cushioning the oncoming collapse?
Because we can’t ramp it up. The resources don’t exist to do that.
The smart guys at Decouple Media call for a massive ramp up, Im sure they’ve thought of resource constraints. In Europe, it hasn’t been resource constraints that has halted nuclear, it’s been a political decision brought on by the various nuclear disasters.
https://www.youtube.com/@decouplemedia107
Maxmushroom, here in OFW, you do your own research and discuss here. Not just asking question “why this…” or “why not this”…. things are complicated and cannot just simply ask a question and expect an answer.
I posted the question is to get a sample of the thoughts on nuclear fission.
In a nutshell: uranium ore comes disproportionately from unfriendly countries, is processed by Russia, and in the West, disposal costs have been very high (although I think it did not have to be that way). Spent fuel pools are an immense hazard but they dot the West and no one really knows what to do with them. Also, there is not a lot of uranium left.
Thanks. The spent fuel argument is pretty conclusive. We’ve already polluted the world enough for future generations.
Max, because you are new here, some of the commentators who have been here a bit longer will try to put you down or tell you off or generally disparage what you do and what you write, regardless of the content of your comments.
In this, they are behaving just like cats, cocks, hens, or chimps, or gunmen in Wild West saloons when confronted with a newcomer. Their games are territoriality and status.
And the interesting thing is, they aren’t even aware of why they are acting how they are acting. Although some of them may become conscious of their thought processes now that I’ve brought that subject to their attention.
Pay them no heed. Their barks and snarls and hisses are far worse than their back biting. And understand that it’s not you, it’s them. All of us are fighting battles. Some of us have had a rough day or week or life. Some of us like to unwind by taking our frustrations out on others.
Thanks Tim, and yes I’ve certainly noticed the irascible nature of some posters. Maybe my irrepressible positivity makes them uncomfortable!
I am in truth going through the 5 stages of grief having only learned of this story 6 months ago. Still on stage 1: denial.
Tim, there is always the fact that I do not need anyone to come here and recite arrogantly what he learned on the BBC website. I can go to the BBC by myself. He asked a polite question this time and got a polite answer.
Quite right, DRB. You did give him a polite answer. But some—and I mention no names—have been less polite and verging on the mean side. Max has been getting quite a lot of talking down to over the past few days. I thought he deserved a bit of moral support.
This sort of thing has happened in the past. David initially had to run a gauntlet several billion years ago, but he took it like water off a dogs back. I also consider it the OFW equivalent of hazing. And David took it all, gave as good as he got, and has since emerged as a veteran who has a decent crack at becoming Top Gun and is a fully qualified member of The Core.
thanks Tim, such fond memories of 2017.
I still vaguely recall you early on saying to the oldtimers that the force was strong in this new guy.
ha! my online facade prevails.
BabyDoomer FastEddy et al would post gifs and cartoons as if they were effective counter arrrrguments to my self-declared realism about the positive side of the economic/FF status.
huh, we’re still moving along.
the give and take continues.
at least MadMaxMushroom admits he’s in stage 1 = denial.
I didn’t know we had any rules about doing our own research at OFW. That’s a new one on me.
I thought we were like Thunderdome. “I know you won’t break the rules. There aren’t any.”
Very good. I love Tina Turner.
Laughing quietly.
Dennis L.
CTG
Mind your own business bub.
No idea who these youtubers are. Try arguing for yourself not citing youtubers as authorities.
They’re nuclear engineers.
My thoughts are it should have been ramped up 20 years ago, it’s probably too late now. But to preserve/restart the ones we have in Europe to cushion the fall.
They’re nuclear engineers.
I don’t care who they claim to be, please make ponts for yourself rather than posting a link to somebody’s youtube channel. i don’t have time to sit through hours of videos.
I made my point – Europe choosing not to ramp up nuclear was a political decision, not a resource one. That political decision is being reversed.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/eleven-eu-countries-launch-alliance-for-nuclear-power-in-europe/
Again, Im asking what the problem with nuclear fission is? Resource constraints dont cut it, far more resources are required for wind and solar.
One way or another, the lights must stay on – hospitals etc. Australia has the biggest deposits of uranium.
I made my point – Europe choosing not to ramp up nuclear was a political decision, not a resource one.
It’s always a resource issue whatever is said.
Again, Im asking what the problem with nuclear fission is? Resource constraints dont cut it
The amount of energy and resources required to build just one power station is colossal. The reactor vessels are highly specialised and very few places in the world can make them.
They need refuelliing with nuclear fuel every two years.
As i said, the resources are not available.
One way or another, the lights must stay on – hospitals etc.
Until it just isn’t possible any more.
All civilisations collapse and for essentially the same reason every time. We outrun our resource base.
Max
Consider the resource decision more deeply to include appropriate siting and rational NIMBYism. The nature of nuclear puts surrounding natural resources at risk. A lot of the political calculus itself is based on resource calculus. Disposal is also resource calculus. Massive upfront costs and build -time are resource costs. FF were cheaper and more flexible and reliable – half of France’s aging reactors were down a few months ago for maintenance.
And remember, the context is everything; were four years into energy collapse and the Machine can’t afford to maintain what it already has let alone add to energy capacity, and especially the most complex form of capacity. There isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell. The nuclear noises are just the sound of desperation. Believe that. Theses nuclear engineers are specialist nerds with vested interests, not holistic system thinkers.
There’s a reason there’s so many farmers here at OFW, myself included. Natural Law is the godmother of systems theory.
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If anyone has an easy time at digging up old threads that discuss the nuke issue that would be helpful. We got into nuclear quite deeply not long ago when Peter was advocating for various nuclear technologies.
re: Youtube or all the other social media ways to waste time – it’s just the internet and we don’t really know what’s at the other end any more than we can predict the future. That’s not to say we’re never correct in our estimations, but not much online has stood up to the test of time and it’s risky to rely on any of it.
Last month I was entertaining at dinner two visiting couples from Australia. Elderly, well to do and reasonably well informed. I brought up the topic of energy depletion and asked generally about Australia’s coal industry where aging coal electricity generation plant has been replaced with NG while much of the smelting has been offshored. Mining output has been not growing but exports have. All four were adamant that political decision regarding CC was entirely responsible for the reduced domestic coal consumption.
On OFW I’ve alluded to the role of the political process and media in impacting resource development and production decisions and not gained much traction. Doesn’t matter. I’m a newbe, too. I listen, think, compare … but the universe is not the infinite one I would have built it were I buddha. The one we do have has been wonderful entertainment so far for this powerless worm but I’m glad I don’t have the responsibilities of the elders
And as he went along quickly, for the consular bearers were fine fellows, his mind distracted a little by their constant shouts to make way, he thought how terrible it was to make an end of life deliberately: it seemed as an immense responsibility to destroy what was the result of innumerable generations. The human race has existed so long and each one of us is here as the result of an infitite series of miraculous events. But at the same time, puzzling him, he had a sense of the triviality of life.
Maugham 1922 On a Chinese Screen
On OFW I’ve alluded to the role of the political process and media in impacting resource development and production decisions and not gained much traction.
Politics is irrelevant. If there is an economically viable energy source and nothing better is available, it will be used. Look at Germany reverting straight back to filthy brown coal once their gas pipelines got blown up.
Before I delete everything involving Max… Max… I recommend you your share of the Rat Juice
As Gail here pointed out to us all more than once, can’t run our economy on electricity, we require by products of fossil fuels to product essentials that enable the whole network to function, such as, roads …and thousands of others
The world runs on diesel.
‘The Smart Guys’ are the people who got us to where we are today.
All exothermic processes ultimately lead to waste heat which must be radiated into space by spaceship earth which is a process limited by the increase in temperature allowable for life to exist.
Earth is our spaceship, it moves through space, its magnetic field protects against radiation along with the atmosphere; it is rugged but could be destroyed as a habitable biosphere.
My guess is man cannot survive living is space without a spaceship and earth is just that. But, machines can survive, pollution is not an issue in space nor on the moon, mars, etc. We use much energy for industrial processes so those are moved off planet, after that solar for electricity probably works.
Starship needs to work, if not the clock probably has run out.
If one believes earth is more or less unique, serious suggestions are being made that the universe has been “tweaked” for us to be here, they will think of something.
Dennis L.
What industrial processes could in theory be moved off planet?
People who never spent a second in a modern factory will say what they want to happen without any understanding of logistics
Mining iron, copper, nickel, name one; it all came from space, more specifically super novas. Refine it in space and discard the waste where ever, the asteroid belts are most likely secondary to making the planets, excess stuff, waste unless rich in copper, etc.
For energy, just move the process closer to the sun, plenty of waste heat going into the universe, it won’t miss it a bit.
It can’t be done on earth any longer, that is the general agreement on this space; so move on, don’t attempt the impossible. Life was a long shot but it happened, they will think of something.
Dennis L.
the prime construction material for human endeavour is iron.
without it, we can do practically nothing in terms of BAU
the world does not yet have a shortage of iron—what we are running short of, is all the other material by which we add value to iron and make it into marketable commodities.
Making and selling those commodities is what produces jobs and wages.,
ok, so we go off earth to find all these other elements we are running short of—-and by some means as yet unthought of, process those materials (trip to the asteroid belt anyone???)—and dump waste material ”somewhere”.
Raw materials have got to be brought back to earth (by the millions of tons btw)–by some means yet unthought of.
Then we take those materials, and start building iron based products, (one assumes cars, washing machines and so on) —this is making the assumption we are not putting car factories in space.
It isn’t possible to build anything without energy input–which is another commodity we are running short of.
Factor in the cost of energy, and space mining., and finished commodities will have an astronomic cost that matches the effort needed to obtain the raw materials.
We cannot create wages of $1m a week, in order to buy cars that cost $50m apiece.
The real value of wages must be underpinned by energy, if we do not have sufficient energy then our current wage-system will fail.
All this is academic anyway—space mining requires an industrial base on earth to build it.
We don’t have time or knowledge to do that.
Seems we are running out of space also…not only for habitat but waste products..
Shocking only 1-2% of mammal biological mass is what we term is wildlife…the rest is of people, domesticated livestock and other animals…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LQTuDttP2Yg&t=6169s
Nate Hagen and William Rees
It’s all about Overshoot..
Something has been off the table for some time now…can’t be enough of people on the planet…there’s plenty of room still for all of us…sarcasm
Norm,
Economics is geometric, the factories are built in space from stuff in space based on knowledge from earth. One does not blast an entire steel plant into space, one puts a small one in space, one collects iron, makes steel and builds a bigger one in space. This is how it was done on earth.
We will have AI, we have the sun for energy directly, space is frictionless for all practical purposes transportation is a nudge, make a chain of stuff to and from the sun, we don’t have to worry about pollution, space is full of pollution, we are collecting some of the pollution and using the energy of the sun to transform it. Iron from a supernova was pollution into space, the fabric of the universe yawns, it needed a core for earth.
Starship is the last chance, if it does not work, then the above two paragraphs are nonsense. Where did a man like Elon come from? Has there ever been one like him?
We have the entire solar system for materials and energy, there is more than enough. It is not going to be easy, but the fabric of the universe is somewhat indifferent to the individual. They will think of something.
There is no alternative that I can see, do you see one except nihilism?
Dennis
I take and absorb you points with interest—this reply is written to declutter my own mind on this subject, none of it is easy or simple to comprehend.
I could be wrong on many points.
I’m no rocket scientist, as they say.
Your points make sense only when we accept the ‘sense’ of living and working ”off earth”.
Which I contend, is non-sense.
We do not have the earth-capacity to sustain large scale space-capacity
Your comment lists a string of industrial ‘processes’, none of which come close to viability yet at any level. (in an off-earth context)
Things we can ‘do’ on earth, do not easily transpose into a ‘space’ environment.
‘Materials’ out there do not exist in isolation, anymore they do on earth. They have to be separated before refining. this requires sophisticated technology
Unfortunately no one has cracked that as yet.
But lets skip over all that, and assume all the above CAN be done.
Do you envisage raw material being shipped back to earth, or finished products?
If raw materials, then we will still need earth-energy to assemble/produce them
So lets go for assembled products—say, Microwave ovens. (could be anything at all)
If we ship, say a batch of 10000 ovens back to Earth—do we hand them out for free, or are they to have a price?
If we have to pay for them, where does the money come from? If everything is made in space, who pays earth-wages?
You see the problem?—Wages have to be earned. If everything is given away for free—how do we buy food and water?
Food costs energy to produce. Food is energy at its most fundamental–we can’t get that from space.
As to musk–you might as well ask where a lottery winner comes from…..he was in the right place at the right time. As was Rockefeller, Carnegie et al.
none.
The consensus here is nothing will work; hence, there is no option but to move it off earth as all else fails.
OFW has done a good job of explaining what does not work, thus we don’t try those options t but try something else.
Hirsch gave the project 20 years, that time is gone, bummer.
Dennis L.
I like your optimism, Dennis, and I do love Elon Musk for trying to make things happen. I’m pretty sure the space civilization is practically impossible for a number of reasons.
First and foremost due to infighting within the human race. Call it TPTB or the MPP, we can’t get past fighting each other for the biggest slice of pie.
Max you already know the answer to that. Or, at least, you know what OFW’s answer to that is. Asking foolish questions is wasting other people’s time, and sows distrust.
Ah come on, when someone says let’s move industry to space, who in their right mind wouldn’t ask “what industry”?
Well when you hear that elsewhere and ask it here it becomes trolling. Myself I don’t find that funny. I read this comment section top down so I gave CTG a hard time in your defense but even though CTG could have framed his criticism of you better, now I’m thinking I was wrong to defend you.
Reante, I asked the question in good faith, but knowing hes probably joking. This community is very antagonistic.
max
those offering antagonism are short on self confidence
twas ever thus—here or elsewhere
Thanks Norman
How did this get through? I filtered and deleted… sneaky!
Well then think before you ask. We’re not here to babysit. It doesn’t take much thinking at all to realize that asking a peak oil community if space mining is feasible four years post-peak oil is foolish. Even my dumbass wouldn’t have asked that question when I was a greenhorn, and this dumb blonde is notorious for making every mistake in the book.
Max, you must be without any technical or scientific background for asking these questions. Or you may have never entered a factory. I don’t think you can even make pizzas in space.
All of them. Next question please, the Dr. is in.
Dennis L.
It’s the equivalent an Irish cattleman buying the last remaining stand of trees in Ireland — on the other side of Ireland — in December with the intention of increasing his silage harvest in May because if he doesn’t increase his harvest this year he goes out of business.
Have you ever heard about Donald Kessler of the Kessler Syndrome? Since you value credentials so much, and Kessler has no doctorate and only a BA from Univ of Houston, you may not take him seriously but his name will outlive those of all these PhDs from prestigious univs who churned out volumes of useless papers.
An intro to the Kessler syndrome which will probably end any chances for space
Both Russia and China are going gangbusters on nuclear. India has some interest. KSA wants nuclear (laughing softly). China will use it for district heating in the north of China. I am a fan of zero pressure designs far easier to build. It is an important stop gap. Thorium breeders maybe a long term source.
For whatever reason the west has a death wish and will do nothing to save itself.
Hi Max,
One of the things often overlooked is complexity, not just of nuclear fission, but of finance, politics, etc. Ramping up the production of nuclear fission reactors is not just resource intensive, it is also capital intensive. We’d also have to look at where to locate them, how we train people (or programme machines) to operate them and how we dispose of the waste. My hope is that the west will overcome all of these challenges to construct more nuclear fissions plants – but I’m less optimistic about the “ramping up” part.
Hope that helps.
All the best
A great deal of whether nuclear will work in an area has to do with how electricity rates are set. If an area is trying to subsidize wind and solar, then a “competitive rating plan” will we used, in which the rates are set by very short units of time (minute?). Wind and solar will be given the subsidy of “going first.” Every other provider will have to take whatever rate is available for other production. This arrangement almost universally produces too low rates for nuclear (even though, historically, nuclear has been an inexpensive way of generating electricity; it is also low-carbon).
If the opposite direction is chosen for electricity rate (a utility figures out what it needs for a range of services, and has its rates approved in advance by an organization charge with the duty), then the complete cost of building and operating a nuclear power plant can be built into the rates.
I live near where the new nuclear plant the US state of Georgia is located. As an electricity customer, I have been helping pay for the two nuclear power plants that will hopefully open later this year, for several years. The only way this arrangement works is because electricity rates are not set competitively.
So, a big piece of the problem is trying to subsidize wind and solar. I agree, though, that there likely will be problems with actually procuring fuel for the reactors in the future, especially if trade with Russia is reduced.
Georgia should stockpile nuclear fuel rods. Seems unlikely though.
Yep, wind and solar have a lot to answer for when it comes to disrupting the effective implementation of other sources. For me, it made sense that humans utilised energy sources of increasing density until we reached the end of the oil age. Someone deliberately selected a lower performance source (wind / solar), it would be interesting to understand why.
Max, it has been discussed many times in the past. It is a dead horse as far as discussion goes. Most see it as useless, some see benefit but in either case it was discussed and we have moved on.
Nuclear’s gonna rise again, definitely. Just like the South. Fifty years ago it was tomorrow’s technology. Today it’s yesterday’s technology. And fifty years from now it will be todays technology.
You mark my words. If I turn out to be wrong, in 2073 I will buy you all a cup of coffee and a rat on a stick.
A screeming lack of engineers is the main reason. You cant stomp in the ground to have a nuclear engineer – it takes about 30 years to make one. A junior one. The seniors you need to keep a big project running takes 50-60 years to make.
They start pretty much at birth, those chains of events that will eventually produce a nuclear engineer.
There is no known way to convert other engineers to nuclear engineers and save some time. (Just try to convert a financial engineer or a social engineer to a nuclear engineer – bad idea!)
All this talk about SMR is really an attempt to build stuff that need less skills and experience to run.
while i’m not denying that some variants of flu can be quite nasty, it’s interesting to note that quite a lot of the deaths during the spanish flu were caused by doctors giving out too many drugs:
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-greatest-lie-told-during-covid
beware the apparently innocuous aspirin, and run like hell from doctors, seem to be the appropriate lessons.
In Italy the main correlation with Covid deaths due to wrong medical treatments seem to be about the wrong ministerial protocol called ‘Tachipirina e vigile attesa’.
In other words: ‘take paracetamol (i.e. a wrong medicine) and just wait and see’.
While Aspirin and other non steroid anti-inflammatories revealed then to be more appropriate.
”The issue of compensation then opens up. Will those who have been poorly treated with the “Tachipirin and waite&see” protocol, suffering an aggravation of illness that can even lead to death, be able to obtain compensation after this ruling of the TAR?”
https://www.byoblu.com/2022/01/15/il-tar-annulla-il-protocollo-tachipirina-e-vigile-attesa-risarcimenti-a-chi-e-morto-ed-e-stato-mal-curato/
”Critical studies of paracetamol. In fact, there seems to be wide debate in the scientific community on this point, not only because acetaminophen may be unnecessary in the initial management of Covid, but even extremely harmful.”
https://www.byoblu.com/2021/10/01/il-totem-della-tachipirina-smontato-dagli-studi/
All the above seem to be related to the article posted previously on this blog by someone, about ‘Italy: ground-zero of Covid of the world’.
Flu can be very nasty for those with VAIDS> 🙂
(Bloomberg)
UK and US strong allies on war strategy and preparation.
”Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is heading to the US on Sunday to meet President Joe Biden and Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese as the three nations unveil the next phase of the AUKUS nuclear submarine program, a security partnership meant to counter China.”
https://gcaptain.com/uk-prime-minister-visits-us-to-unveil-australian-nuclear-sub-plan-with-biden/
Having Australia take five nuclear submarines is meant to nail Australia firmly in the US sphere. It is a wedge. It is not a defense nor serious offense.
They’ll never be built. Neither Australia nor the US nor the UK will be capable of doing so by the 2030s.
Being in the US sphere in some sense means “being in the out-group relative to Russia and China.” It is less than clear to me why Australia would want this status.
I would expect the US brought to bare pressures positive and negative on AU politicians to get the behavior it desires. Why China and Russia are not more active in that game is a surprise to me.
Australia in this context means politicians.
All the major parties ‘favour’ the so called alliance with USA determined as Ed says by pressures.
The ‘real’ Australians ( I’m one) don’t get any say other than don’t vote for the ******s.
Unfortunately many real Australians are swayed by the promises of goodies for them at election time. (I’m not one of these).
In English we spell that as ‘Morons’.
Humans seem to join many groups for unclear reasons; it seems to be part of who we are. A guess is some individuals have solved getting people to join their group, often it is for the benefit of the organizers of the group.
Dennis L.
From cultural point of view they feel close to UK and US.
In addition, in my view, they also have a sort of inferiority complex in respect to those two Countries.
There are also other aspects, maybe in relation to their history, as a result of which they are probably not able to free themselves in this particular phase.
It is a sad situation, but the consequences are dangerous for the world.
In WWII they were saved from the Japanese by the Americans and in gratitude have consented to be raped by them ever since