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It has recently become clear to me that heavy oil, which is needed to produce diesel and jet fuel, plays a far more significant role in the world economy than most people understand. We need heavy oil that can be extracted, processed, and transported inexpensively to be able to provide the category of fuels sometimes referred to as Middle Distillates if our modern economy is to continue. A transition to electricity doesn’t work for most heavy equipment that is powered by diesel or jet fuel.
A major concern is that the physics of our self-organizing economy plays an important role in determining what actually happens. Leaders may think that they are in charge, but their power to change the way the overall system works, in the chosen direction, is quite limited. The physics of the system tends to keep oil prices lower than heavy oil producers would prefer. It tends to cause debt bubbles to collapse. It tends to squeeze out “inefficient” uses of oil from the system in ways we wouldn’t expect. In the future, the physics of the system may keep parts of the world economy operating while other inefficient pieces get squeezed out.
In this post, I will try to explain some of the issues with oil limits as they seem to be playing out, particularly as they apply to diesel and jet fuel, the major components of Middle Distillates.
[1] The most serious issue with oil supply is that there seems to be plenty of oil in the ground, but the world economy cannot hold prices up sufficiently high, for long enough, to get this oil out.
As I frequently point out, the world economy is a physics-based system. World oil prices are set by supply and demand. Demand is quite closely tied to what people around the world can afford to pay for food and for transportation services because the use of oil is integral to today’s food production and transportation services.
Heavy oil is especially involved in this affordability issue. As oil becomes “heavier,” it becomes more viscous, and thus more difficult to ship by pipeline. If oil is very heavy, as is the oil from the Oil Sands of Canada, it needs to be mixed with an appropriate diluent to be shipped by pipeline.
Heavy oil often has sulfur and other pollutants mixed in, adding costs to the refining process. Furthermore, heavy oil, especially very heavy oil, often needs to be “cracked” in a refinery to provide a desirable mix of end products, including diesel, jet fuel, and gasoline. This, too, adds costs. Otherwise, there would be too much of the product mix that would be like asphalt. Also, as noted previously, even if the costs of production are high, the selling price of diesel cannot rise very high without raising food prices. This tends to keep the prices of heavy crude oils below those for lighter crude oils.
Many people believe that the high level of “Proved Oil Reserves” worldwide makes it certain that businesses can extract as much oil as they would like in the future. A major issue is whether these reserves mean as much as people assume they do. Oil reserves of OECD countries (an association of the US and other rich countries) are likely to be audited, but reserves of other countries may not be. Asking a relatively poor oil-exporting country the amount of its oil reserves is like asking the country how wealthy it is. We should not be surprised by fibbing on the high side. The problem is that the vast majority of reported oil reserves (85%) are held by non-OECD countries. These reserves may be significantly overstated.
Also, even if the reserves are fairly reported, will the country have the resources to extract these reserves? Venezuela reports the highest oil reserves in the world thanks to its heavy oil in the Orinoco Belt, but it extracts a relatively small amount per year. An October 2022 article says that the country is waiting for foreign investment to expand production.
Going forward, oil companies everywhere need to worry about broken supply lines for necessary items, such as steel drilling pipe. They need to worry about finding enough trained workers. They need to worry about the availability of debt and the interest rate that will be charged for this debt. If private oil companies look at the true prospects and find them too bleak, they will likely use their profits to buy back the shares of their own oil companies instead (as is happening now).
[2] While oil producers can crack heavy oil to make shorter hydrocarbons in a way that is not terribly expensive, trying to make near-gasses and light oils into diesel becomes impossibly expensive.
It is easy for people to assume that any part of the oil mix is substitutable for another part, but this is not true. Cracking long hydrocarbon chains works to make shorter chains, but the economics tend not to work in the other direction. Thus, it is not economically feasible to make gasoline into diesel (which is heavier), or natural gas liquids into diesel.
[3] If there is inadequate oil supply, the impacts on the economy are likely to include broken supply lines, empty shelves, and inflation in the price of goods that are available.
If there is not enough oil to go around, some users must be left out. The result is that some of the less profitable consumers of oil may file for bankruptcy. For example, the Wall Street Journal recently reported Trucking Giant Yellow Shuts Down Operations. This bankruptcy makes it impossible for some stores to get the merchandise that would normally be on their shelves. As a consequence, it makes it likely that some replacement parts for automobiles will not be available when needed. There is a workaround of renting another vehicle while a person’s car is waiting for repairs, but this adds to total costs.
This workaround illustrates how a lack of adequate oil can indirectly lead to higher overall costs, even if the oil itself is not higher-priced. The need to work around supply line problems tends to lead to inflation in the prices of goods that continue to be available.
[4] The fact that the quantity of oil that could be affordably extracted was likely to fall short about now has been known for a very long time, but this fact has been hidden from the public.
In 1957, Hyman Rickover of the US navy predicted that the amount of affordable fossil fuels would fall short between 2000 and 2050, with the amount of oil falling short earlier than coal and natural gas.
The book The Limits to Growth by Donella Meadows and others, published in 1972, discusses the result of early modeling efforts with respect to resource limits. These resource limits were very broadly defined, including minerals such as copper and lithium in addition to fossil fuels. A range of indications were produced, but the base model (based on business as usual) seemed to show limits hitting before 2030 (Figure 1).
Since the resource limits include minerals of all types, these limits would seem to preclude a transition to clean energy and electric cars.
Educators, advertisers, and political leaders could see that discussing the oil problem would cause economic suicide. What would be the point of buying a car, if a person couldn’t use it for very long? Educators felt that students needed to be guided in the direction of hoped-for solutions, no matter how remote they might be, if university programs were to remain open.
Politicians and government officials wanted to keep voters happy, so the self-organizing economy pushed them in the direction of keeping the story from the public. They tended to focus on climate issues instead. They added biofuels to stretch the supply of gasoline, and to a lesser extent, diesel. They also increased the share of natural gas liquids. The selling price of these liquids tends to be quite low, relative to the price of crude oil.
They started providing reports showing “all liquids” rather than “crude oil,” in the hope that people wouldn’t notice the change in mix.
[5] The world’s number one problem today seems to be an inadequate supply of Middle Distillates. These provide diesel and jet fuel.
Diesel and jet fuel provide the big bursts of power that commercial equipment requires. Many types of equipment are dependent on Middle Distillates, including semi-trucks, agricultural equipment, ocean-going ships, jet planes, road-making equipment, school buses, and trains operating in areas with steep inclines.
Because of its concentrated store of energy, diesel is also used to operate backup generators and to provide electricity in remote areas of the world where it would be impractical to have year-round electricity without an easily stored fuel.
In Figure 3:
- Light Distillates are primarily gasoline (78% in 2022).
- Middle Distillates are diesel (82%) and jet fuel/kerosene (18%).
- Fuel Oil is a cheap, polluting, unrefined product. If environmental laws permit, it can be burned as bunker fuel (used in ships), as boiler fuel, or to provide electricity.
- The Other category includes near-gasses such as ethane, propane, and butane (58%). It also includes some very heavy oil used as lubricants, asphalt, or feedstocks for petrochemicals.
Until recently, it has been possible to increase diesel production by refining an added share of Fuel Oil. Fuel oil is quite heavy (barely a liquid), so it is well-suited to be refined into a mix that includes a large share of Middle Distillates.
Now we are running short of Fuel Oil to refine for the purpose of producing more Middle Distillates. The Fuel Oil that is still consumed is used in what I think of as the poorer countries of the world: the non-OECD countries (Figure 4).
Poor countries tend to value “low price” over “prevents pollution.” It is likely to be difficult to get these countries to move away from the use of Fuel Oil.
[6] Countries around the world are now competing for Middle Distillates to maintain the food production, road building, commercial transportation, and construction portions of their economies.
Figure 5 shows that since about 1983, consumption per capita for both Light Distillates and Middle Distillates has been generally slightly growing. Growth in usage tends to be higher for Middle Distillates than Light Distillates. The total quantity consumed is also higher for Middle Distillates.
The dip in consumption per capita in 2020 is much more pronounced for Middle Distillates than Light Distillates. For Middle Distillates, the change from 2018 to 2020 is -16%; the change from 2018 to 2022 is -7%. The corresponding changes for Light Distillates are -11% and -4%.
The difference in patterns in Light Distillates and Middle Distillates is not surprising: Gasoline, the main product of Light Distillates, has been the focus of efficiency changes. It is also possible to dilute gasoline with ethanol, made from corn. Voters in the US are particularly aware of gasoline availability and price, so politicians tend to focus on it.
Diesel and jet fuel, made using Middle Distillates, are less on the minds of voters, but they are probably more important to the economy because people’s jobs depend upon the economy in its current form holding together. Inadequate Middle Distillates leaves empty shelves in stores because of broken supply lines. It also leads to inflation of the type we have recently been experiencing. Indirectly, lack of Middle Distillates can lead to debt bubbles collapsing, and to problems of a different type than inflation.
Up until 2007, Middle Distillate consumption was generally increasing for both OECD countries and non-OECD countries. The Great Recession of 2008-2009 particularly affected OECD countries. European countries found their economies doing less well. For example, less diesel was used to operate tour boats carrying tourists; a larger share of available jobs were low-paid service jobs.
The year 2013 was a turning point of a different type. The consumption of non-OECD countries caught up with that of OECD countries. While non-OECD countries might like to maintain their rapid upward trajectory in the consumption of Middle Distillates, this no longer seems to be possible.
[7] Under the Maximum Power Principle, the physics of the economy pushes the economy toward optimal low-cost solutions, especially as the quantity of Middle Distillates approaches limits.
The economy, like every other ecosystem, operates under the principle of “survival of the best adapted.” In terms of the sale of goods, this means that the lowest-priced goods will tend to win out in a competitive environment, provided that they are of adequate quality and that the makers can earn an adequate profit in making them.
Furthermore, the makers of the goods must earn a high enough profit both for reinvestment and to pay adequate taxes to their governments. Payments of taxes to governments are essential; otherwise governmental collapse would occur due to the growing debt that cannot be repaid.
If inflation becomes a problem, rising interest rates would tend to push governments with large amounts of debt toward collapse because they would become unable even to make interest payments from current income.
In this self-organizing economy, buyers of goods don’t know or care much about the lives of the workers in the system. Optimal low costs of manufacturing in a world market might mean:
- Manufacturers have access to very inexpensive energy sources and use them.
- Pollution control is ignored to the maximum extent possible, without serious harm to the workers.
- Governments provide very little in the way of benefits to citizens, such as health care or pensions, keeping the cost of government low.
- Workers can get along on relatively low salaries because little heating or cooling of homes is needed.
- Workers don’t expect private vehicles, recreational activities, or advanced medical care.
Because the economy favors the lowest cost of profitable production, a person would expect that warm countries that use oil sparingly in their energy mix (India, the Philippines, and Vietnam, for example) would have a competitive edge over other countries in manufacturing.
In general, a person would expect non-OECD countries to outcompete OECD countries, especially if cheap fuel for manufacturing is available. The lack of cheap fuel is increasingly becoming a problem in many parts of the world. Coal used to be cheap, but its price can now spike. Natural gas prices can also spike, especially if natural gas is purchased without a long-term contract. Electricity using wind and solar tends to be high-priced, too, when the cost of transmission is included.
[8] The Maximum Power Principle seems to be pushing the EU away from diesel.
The EU has a serious oil problem. It has essentially no crude oil production of its own. Furthermore, oil production in Europe outside of the EU (mainly the UK and Norway) has been falling since 1999, greatly reducing the possibility of imported oil from this area (Figure 7).
Under these circumstances, members of the EU found that they needed to import nearly all of their oil, and that most of this oil needed to come from outside Europe.
When I look at the data regarding the types of oil the EU has chosen to consume (nearly all imported), I find that it uses an oil mix that is unusually skewed toward Middle Distillates and away from Light Distillates. (Compare Figure 8 with Figure 3).
Part of the reason the EU uses this skewed oil mix is because it has encouraged the use of private passenger cars using diesel through its tax structure. Underlying this tax structure was most likely an understanding that Russia, through its exports of Urals Oil, which is heavy, could provide the EU with the mix of oil products it needed, including extra diesel.
The EU has recently cut off most oil imports from Russia as a way of punishing Russia. This cutoff is being phased in, with most of the impact in 2023 and later. Thus, Figure 8 (which is through 2022) shouldn’t be much affected.
China and India are now buying most of Russia’s exported oil. These countries tend to use the oil more “efficiently” than the EU. In particular, they do more manufacturing than the EU, and they have far fewer private passenger cars per capita than the EU. Furthermore, the EU powers quite a few of its private passenger cars with diesel. If diesel is in short supply, efficiency demands that it should be saved for uses that require it, such as powering heavy equipment.
Because of the efficiency issue, I doubt that the EU will be able to continue importing as high a diesel mix in the future as it has been importing up to now. We know that Saudi Arabia cut back its oil exports by 1 million barrels per day, as of July 1, and this cutback is continuing into August. Russia is also cutting its production by 500,000 barrels a day, effective August 1. If oil prices rise again, I wonder whether the EU will be forced to cut back on its oil imports, essentially because of the Maximum Power Principle.
[9] The substitution of electricity for oil so far has been mostly in the direction of replacing gasoline usage for private passenger automobiles. Substitution of electricity for Middle Distillates would be virtually impossible.
Middle Distillates are largely used for the tough jobs–jobs that require big bursts of power. Electricity and the battery storage required for electricity are not adapted to these tough jobs. The vehicles become too heavy, especially when the big battery packs that would be required are considered. The Wall Street Journal recently reported that battery-powered commercial trucks can cost more than three times the price of diesel-powered trucks, a hurdle much smaller private passenger automobiles don’t face. The wide diversity of types of heavy commercial vehicles would be another huge hurdle in trying to substitute electricity for diesel.
Oil is a mixture of different hydrocarbon lengths. Substitution of electricity for one part of the hydrocarbon mix, namely for the Light Distillates, is not very helpful. Oil companies need to be able to sell all parts of the mix in order to make their extraction efforts worthwhile. If oil companies find themselves without buyers for most Light Distillates, they would have difficulty recouping their overall costs. There would be a possibility of oil production stopping. Without oil, farming would mostly stop. Road repair would stop. Today’s economy would come to a halt.
Of course, as a practical matter, the vast majority of the world will pay no attention to mandates that all private passenger automobiles be EVs. Buyers in most parts of the world will make decisions based on which cars are least expensive to own and operate. As a result, there is little chance of private passenger cars being completely replaced by EVs. Instead, EV mandates in some countries may somewhat reduce the selling price of gasoline worldwide because these drivers are no longer using gasoline. With lower gasoline prices, non-EV’s are likely to become cheaper to operate in countries where they are permitted, boosting their sales. This is an effect similar to Jevons Paradox.
[10] There are many related topics that could be addressed, but they will need to wait until later posts.
A few of samples of other issues:
[a] The world economy is tightly networked together. Inadequate oil supplies per capita tend to push the economy toward forced reduced activity, as was the case in 2020. Oil prices likely won’t rise a whole lot higher, for very long, if the economy is forced to shrink.
[b] Inadequate oil supplies per capita also tend to cause fighting among countries. OECD countries seem to over consume, relative to the benefits they provide to the rest of the world. Perhaps some grouping of non-OECD countries (or parts of countries) will take over in leadership roles.
[c] The self-organizing economy has different priorities than human leaders. All ecosystems in a finite world go through cycles. As conditions change, different species are favored, and new species emerge. Humans have a strong preference for recent conditions that helped humans thrive. Humans need a religion to follow, so leaders have created environmental sin to replace original sin. The catch is that ecosystems are built for change. Pollution can be viewed as a type of fertilizer for different types of species or recent mutations to thrive. Higher temperatures will have a net favorable effect for some organisms.
[d] If a local economy chooses to increase energy costs by taking steps to reduce its carbon footprint, the main impact may be to disadvantage the local economy relative to the world economy. If total energy costs are higher, the cost of finished goods and services is likely to be higher, making the economy less competitive.
[e] I expect that the members of the EU and other rich nations will be the primary countries pursuing carbon reduction technologies. Poorer economies may pay lip service to carbon reduction, but they will tend to focus primarily on increasing the welfare of their own people, whether or not this requires more carbon.
For example, in 2022, China accounted for 66% of global EV sales (5.0 million out of 7.7 million), thanks to subsidies that China made available. China no doubt had many motives, but one of them would seem to be to stimulate the economy. Another motive would be to increase the total number of vehicles in operation. The majority (61%) of electricity generation in China in 2022 was provided by electricity coming from coal-fired power plants, based on information from the Energy Institute. I would expect that more Chinese vehicles manufactured and placed into operation plus more use of electricity from coal would lead to a greater quantity of carbon emissions, rather than a smaller quantity.
“It’s a little disappointing,” says the lady who put together this short video. In 2014, RFK JNR. wanted “a law you could punish them under” for people who didn’t agree with the climate nonsensus.
RFK jr. has also be quite anti-fossil fuel.
they should be forced to be on ofw
then they would get all kinds of labels for ”disbelieving” the deniers
looks like the hoaxers are out in force tim
july was the hottest month ever recorded on earth
I thought a similar statement earlier, perhaps for June, was retracted.
July wasn’t the hottest month evah in your neck of the woods, was it Norman? Nor in yours, Gail? But I admit it may have been pretty close in mine. And August has been even hotter.
I can only remember three summers comparable to this one in terms of heat: 1994, 1997 and 2016. The second two and this year are all El Niño years, but interestingly 1994 wasn’t. But it was an unusually hot and dry summer.
We had a real drought here on the farm. The mountain stream was down to a trickle and we couldn’t take a bath, use the washing machine or water the garden. We washed our clothes in the river just like in the good old days, and we survived on a very limited amount of water from a shallow well and bottled water–donated by friends–for drinking.
It didn’t rain for two months from the middle of July to the middle of September, with no typhoons or guerrilla rainstorms to break the drought. It was a very good year for the rice though, although I didn’t start growing rice until the following year.
The contrast between 1994 with 1993 was glaring. In the earlier year the summer was generally overcast and there was a lot of rain. The rice crop in Japan was poor due to lack of sun. It was like a warmer version of Yorkshire. And due to the poor rice crop, the Government authorized the importation of rice from Thailand to cover the shortage.
The Japanese didn’t appreciate the Thai rice at all. They are used Japonica and are less fond of Indica. But on top of that, a lot of the imported Thai rice seems to have been of poor quality and possibly old rice left over from the previous year. Still, beggars can’t be choosers.
no tim
hottest means on a world basis
which you know perfectly well.
i shall inform the soup dragon that you are not to get any soup today, for blatant pedantry
What you are saying about “a world basis” is meaningless, Norman. How hot has it been in Yorkshire this summer?
The earth doesn’t have a single physical temperature. It is far too large and too non-homogenous to do so. At any one time, some places on the Earth’s surface are 50ºC above zero and others are 50ºC below. At any one time, somebody is dying of heatstroke and someone else of hypothermia.
And even if, in theory, you could calculate a single average temperature for the globe, or for the land surface, in practice that means nothing. It would be an abstract statistical value, like the average height or the average IQ or the average income of all the humans on Earth—not a measure of anything real.
Which you know perfectly well.
So, no black pudding for you this evening.
The weather in the place where you are living is the important thing. Not taking account of that can kill you. Obsessing about the average temperature of the surface of the planet can kill you too. But the average temperature itself is a phantom, a humbug, a figment of the imagination. The idea that it can affect the physical world is fiction. It can harm nobody apart from by scaring them. It has no power to physically influence the real world in any way, shape or form. It’s just a statistical measure existing only in graphs, tables and IPCC reports.
You complain about “God brothers” and deride people who believe in imaginary entities. But you yourself believe in the ability of this phantom global average temperature to damage our lives as if it was like a fire-breathing dragon. That’s your right and your religion. But don’t be surprised if others less gullible than you give you funny looks for ascribing to it.
Sad but true, chilblains are making a comeback in the UK these days. We were told, over and over back in the 1990s, when chilblains were a thing of the past, that in 20 or 30 years time (in other words, now), the UK would be so warm that children wouldn’t know what snow was. Instead, children are still experiencing snow, and on top of that they are learning about exotic Dickensian maladies such as chilblains.
H.L. Menken said it best a century ago. “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
How do things in our shared world continue to unglue? People will need a joyous acceptance worldciew even better a wholesomely upvuilding and beautifying religion.
Nietzsche stated something to the effect of: “[A perfect life is one where every emotion is experienced.”]
This pithy statement makes getting through tough times a little easier if you embrace what ever life is throwing at you. We are in times where many if not most people will experience something they previously never thought they would. So much of any experience is reading and thinking about it relentlessly after an event and perhaps no longer talked about with the except of very close friends. Today, we have so much access to keep that effort relentless.
But then, I hear that the best times were in clubs in Northern Ireland during the rough times as …. everyone seize the moment just in case they wouldnt be able to tomorrow.
I wonder if in the near future we will even be able to find these kinds of moments… as everything seems to be shutting down… and we are left in a default mode of online exclusively.
I heard that in Israel – particularly when there were a lot of bombings… the women were very receptive at the clubs….ONS was incredibly easy to find
That’s how it works then, the hyper MOARons switches from the usual hyper Tryhard ‘Beta Bob’ to the Psycho ‘Bad Boy’ Chadster.
Broads covering all the bases when there’s risk of starvation and violence. No wonder the rapacious primate’s going nowhere fast.
https://youtu.be/MxOScWMZdwI
Just try to fit in – What could possibly go wr…
Never mind! In the mean time:
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i take it that would be your religion prof??
It looks to me as if Dr. Williams is a retired ethics professor.
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Mark-Campbell-Williams-69892018
This article indicates where he was employed:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/30063109_Ethics_in_Research
He was on the faculty of Edith Cowan University, Churchlands, WA, Australia. He was on the faculty of Business and Public Management, School of Management Information Systems.
So his background is suitable for asking this question, but he is not a religion professor.
I am afraid “ethics” is one of the things that goes when there aren’t enough resources to go around.
A good man … will kill you and feed you to his starving kids
How many good men have kids in the first place, and with whom? I reckon the usual Hyper MOARon is out of the question for all the obvious reasons.
Just imagine N. Tesla or F. Nietzsche curling their progeny to and from kindergarten, at the same time while slapping down groundbreaking discoveries.
How absurd. But I digress.
In reality, the usual man would likely eat or abandon his starving children, just like most mammals do when there’s not enough going around. Gonna protect the progeny while scavenging for scraps? It ain’t how it works.
When it becomes cool to eat children; the usual man will feel nothing about it. That is how it is to fit in for the myopians of the ordinary. Jews, blacks, whites, children, russkies, native Americans – all the same, and thrown under the bus at the first hint of trouble in egotistic fantasy land.
After all, the usual hyper eats animals without the slightest hint of reluctance, just add severe austerity and adversity, and you’ll see.
https://youtu.be/gokiXWSaPUc
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Oh ya… we’ll definitely see…
FAMINE
The situation was even grimmer in rural villages, according to aid workers. Many had fled to the cities or other regions, leaving entire families dead in their homes. Those who survived lived off whatever they could find: seeds, acorns, grass, weeds, tree bark, even the corpses of dead animals.
Government officials in one town advised starving residents to dig up the dried bones of animals, grind them into flour and bake a “bread substitute [that has] a nutritive value of 25 per cent more than rye bread, in spite of its unpleasant smell and taste”.
The consumption of these ersatz foods killed many, as did epidemics of diseases like typhus, typhoid fever, smallpox, influenza, dysentery, cholera, even bubonic plague. The movement of desperate and starving people helped transport these diseases around Russia.
The famine also gave rise to horrific tales of murder and cannibalism, as well as a black-market trade in human flesh.
Some Russian academics researched and catalogued examples of cannibalism and corpse-eating. American relief workers also observed these behaviours. Cannibalism was most common along the Volga River basin, in areas where the famine was most severe.
Murder and ‘corpse-eating’
Starving peasants were observed digging up recently buried corpses for their flesh. Accounts of murder or euthanasia, followed by butchery and feasting, were also reported. One woman refused to give over the body of her dead husband because she was using it for meat. Parents and siblings ate the bodies of dead children.
As the death toll increased, illegal trade in human flesh also emerged. Quantities of nondescript meat appeared in markets in Russian towns and cities, some of it undoubtedly human. An aid worker wrote of the situation in late 1921:
“Families were killing and devouring fathers, grandfathers and children. Ghastly rumours about sausages prepared with human corpses (the technical expression was ‘ground to sausages’) though officially contradicted, were common. In the market, among rough huckstresses swearing at each other, one heard threats to make sausages of a person.”
https://alphahistory.com/russianrevolution/great-famine-of-1921/#Cannibalism
I have remarked that South Africa has reached peak coal. This is why there have been so many demonstrations by unhappy people.
This first chart is one of South Africa’s Coal Production, Consumption and Exports.
https://ourfiniteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/South-African-Coal-Supply-Production-Consumption-Exports-1024×620.png
In the above chart, South Africa’s total coal production was rising up until 2014, and has been falling ever since. Thus, it is past peak coal.
You can see South Africa’s own coal consumption is higher than what is shipped abroad. There has been a “fight” between between local consumption and exports. Up until 2008, local consumption was winning at the expense of exports. Then things changed, and exports tended to get the upper hand.
The following chart is an electricity per capita chart, related to what South Africans have been able to access.
https://ourfiniteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/South-African-Electricity-Per-Capita-1024×618.png
This chart shows that peak electricity per capita happened back in 2007. Electricity per capita has been falling since. Electricity per capita is now 26% lower than it was in 2007.
South African electricity per capita is now lower than at any time since the beginning of that chart in the 1980s. So there must be a lot of people who are feeling worse off. And per capital only tells part of the story, because the more affluent who can easily afford to use electricity will tend maintain or even increase their consumption, while those who can barely afford it will have to use it much more sparingly and an increasing number at the bottom may have to abandon it altogether.
This is where refusal to accept facts gets you skinned alive…
The writing is on the wall… they are f789ed… we all are f789ed but they are nearer term f789ed…
So the whites will be targeted… blamed…. and the mobs will rape and murder them…
The right move is to get out now… they are going to take your farms anyway — so just walk away… the smart ones will fire sale their farms to stooopid whites… take the cash and move to Bangkok and shack up with a Tranny Freak.
Minorities are now the majority among under 18s in USA. That is headed in only one direction. Graph: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Figure-3-2.png
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/new-2020-census-data-shows-an-aging-america-and-wide-racial-gaps-between-generations/
New 2020 census data shows an aging America and wide racial gaps between generations
In April 2021, the Census Bureau released the first set of results from the 2020 decennial census, providing a snapshot of the U.S. population for use in congressional reapportionment and redistricting. But recently, the agency released more detailed census information that shows a fuller picture of the population as it stood during the once-a-decade headcount.
…. The result of these shifts is a population that has become increasingly diverse at younger ages (see Figure 3 and downloadable Table D). Racial minorities comprise over half of the zero to 4 and 5 to 17 age groups, with Latino or Hispanic Americans representing more than a quarter. In contrast, white Americans comprise about three-quarters of the 65 to 74 and 75 and older age groups. Over the entire age spectrum, white population shares increase with age.
The growing diversity of the younger population began in earlier decades, as racial minorities displayed higher levels of immigration during their primary working ages, leading to rises in the number of minorities in those ages as well as more births (due to the increased number of women [and men exist too] in childbearing ages). The 2020 census is the first to show that less than half of U.S. children under age 18 identified as white.
In essence, population growth among racial minorities—especially Latino or Hispanic and Asian Americans—served to counter the aging and now declining white population in youth and prime labor force age groups….
https://i1.wp.com/www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ccf_20170201_reeves_1.png
No impact on future STEM-field advancement, I hope.
Well, Asians, which likely means Chinese and Indians, have massively boosted the upper percentiles just as most percentiles have been boosted.
I am not sure about Indians. They are basically darker colored Caucasians. I expect it includes Japanese, Koreans, and Southeast Asians.
Based on the people I see at the grocery store and the gym, the children are often of mixed races. The parents can be any combination of races.
Who wants to show this to Wolf? He is oblivious….
This protected elite don’t have to put up with the crapified goods and services which generate their capital gains and income. Their wealth and income enable their detachment from the crapified economy the bottom 90% experience. Their experience of the bottom 90% is as service workers, delivery people, etc. who serve their entitled tastes.
“… the rich certainly like the company of the rich, no doubt it calms them, it’s nice for them to meet beings subject to the same torments as they are, and who seem to form a relationship with them that is not totally about money; it’s nice for them to convince themselves that the human species is not uniquely made up of predators and parasites… ”
https://charleshughsmith.substack.com/p/fooled-by-what-we-measure-enlightened
Fast Eddie challenger-
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir3eJ1t13fk
As Charles Hugh Smith says,
“The consensus holds that inflation is declining rapidly and unemployment remains low, so the economy is doing great.”
These numbers are easily gamed. A major problem is that the middle class is doing very poorly.
Also, as I showed earlier, there are clear signs in recent profit signals that people are cutting back on meat, a sign that times are not good.
Yes but Wolf says everyone is cashed up and partying … it’s all good…
I dropped a comment on this discussing the vax injuries and deaths … anonymously – he of course did not publish it…
But he will have read it 🙂
https://wolfstreet.com/2023/08/05/ill-just-crush-the-stupid-stuff-in-the-social-media-about-disability-claims-in-reality-claims-dropped-to-20-year-low-while-people-with-a-disability-are-employed-in-record-numbers/
Fuck it. Everyone deserves what’s coming. Stupid MF’ers. WorldCoin, Eye of Sauron, and all the rest.
I would argue that our extinction … is long over due
Bull Jumping – the new MMA https://t.me/leaklive/15412
Hilarious https://t.me/leaklive/15413 https://t.me/leaklive/15418
Tavistock – https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/82736
This video (close to 18 minutes long) is about elite leaders of the world and the training they have received at Tavistock Institute.
Of course, outside of the self-organizing economy powered by energy, they would not have this power.
Midazolam Update https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/50268
Fast Eddy,
You need a hobby. Something to absorb your free time. You seem to have a lot of it. Maybe stamp collecting?
I multi task… SS is the hobby … but shortly I will go to fire pucks around the ice rink… I pretend I am aiming for the heads of Vaxxers … it’s great fun (as a hobby)
Disease X… hmmmm https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/50258
New vaccine against a new disease.
I decided to run a few numbers on the energy economics of ammonia as a synthetic fuel. Ammonia is produced by the exothermic reaction between hydrogen and nitrogen over an iron oxide catalyst. The reaction takes place at a pressure of at least 60 bar and temperature of 500°C. As the reaction is exothermic, it will drive itself after initial heating.
My first assumption is that hydrogen is produced by electrolysis with an efficiency of 80%. My second assumption is that nitrogen is produced by fractional distilation of air. I will ignore the energy energy cost of producing pure nitrogen, because it is relatively small. The higher heating value of hydrogen is taken to be 141.86MJ (wiki). The energy cost of H2 will be: Q = 141.86/0.8 = 177.325MJ/kg
To produce ammonia: 3H2 + N2 = 2NH3
Which is to say, 6kg H2 + 28kg N2 = 34kg ammonia (NH3).
6kg of hydrogen contains 1063.95MJ and 34kg Ammonia contains 632.4MJ. For energy density values, see wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density
Storage efficiency = 632.4/1063.95 = 59.4%
Diesel engines have efficiency of 30 – 55%. The lower end refers to car engines. The upper end refers to large marine engines operating at constant speed. Round trip electrical-to-mechanical efficiency is therefore:
n = (0.594)(30>55) = 17.8 > 33%
Liquid anhydrous ammonia has an energy density of 11.5MJ/litre. This compares to 38.6MJ/litre for diesel fuel. So an ammonia fuelled truck must carry 3x the volume of liquid fuel or have refuelling stops 3x closer together. How much would it cost (in electricity) to make the energy equivelant of 1 litre of diesel in ammonia? One litre of diesel contains 38.6MJ of chemical energy (10.72kWh). Electricity is converted into chemical energy at 59.4% efficiency. So the cost of a litre of diesel equivelent would be:
Cost/l = (10.72/0.594) x C = 18.05C, where C is cost per kWh of electricity.
In the US at time of writing, diesel is selling for about $1 per litre. Ignoring other costs, how much would input electricity need to cost to produce ammonia that could compete with diesel at $1/litre?
Cost/kWh = 1/18.05 = $0.055/kWh.
This tells us that for ammonia to compete with diesel, the electricity supplying electrolysis must be very cheap. This calculation ignores the capital costs associated with the electrolysis stack, the air liquefaction plant, the haber-bosch ammonia synthesis plant and the ammonia chilling plant. To minimise the marginal costs of this equipment, we must exploit economies of scale and also run all of the equipment at close to 100% capacity factor. To achieve this, we need a electricity source that is carbon free, cheap and able to produce at full power, close to 100% of the time. The two candidates are hydropower and nuclear power.
I don’t think that we really have extra electricity for any purpose, except possibly the electricity produced by wind turbines when it is not needed. So this might be considered the source of the electricity used to make ammonia. In some sense, this excess electricity has value zero unless someone can figure out a way to use it.
My impression was that some of these electricity to liquid approaches were being considered to as a way of storing unneeded wind energy, since battery technology tends to be quite expensive. Hopefully, some type of transport might be able to use fuel made in this way.
Methanol is another liquid fuel that is being explored, especially for shipping by boat. In fact, it already seems to be being used for this purpose.
https://www.methanex.com/about-methanol/marine-fuel/
The website says that the methanol the company is using is made from natural gas, but it could be made in other ways–I am sure more expensively.
Natural gas also tends to be a problem resource, just like excess wind. If natural gas is produced a long way from where it is to be used, the cost of shipping the natural gas as LNG can be terribly high. If it can be made into a liquid (without extreme chilling), and if it can be burned for fuel by some means of transport, it can perhaps be a substitute use for natural gas, if the economics can be made to work.
So, making natural gas into methanol is a parallel type of approach to making ammonia from wind energy.
In a way, ammonia will be competing with methanol, if both can be made to work (and both of them will be competing with diesel).
For reference, liquid hydrogen has an energy density of about 120-142 MJ/L, making it about four times as energy dense as the common hydrocarbon liquid fuels such as gasoline, kerosene and diesel.
However, there are a lot of challenges involved in using liquid hydrogen as a fuel for cars, not the least of which is the need to store it at or below -253°C. Above this temperature it will turn into a gas, the tank’s pressure will increase, and this could result in the tank rupturing or even exploding. So you probably wouldn’t want to run your SUV on hydrogen.
-253C? Jeeze man, that’s not far off from absolute zero. So we’re going to do advanced physics just to fill up the gas tank? Now also imagine Joe Blow Mechanic working on the high performance seals necessary for distribution and storage … don’t screw up! There’s 300M cars with gas tanks in just the USA … lots of opportunities for a mishap.
If the reaction is exothermic, why do you need 100% capacity? This is the type of energy that is easiest to store, thermal energy. You may just need a molten salt blanket to keep it going for weeks. quite the contrary this seems a nice and effective application for an abundant but intermittent source of energy.
‘If the reaction is exothermic, why do you need 100% capacity?’
Because the electrolysis stack, air liquefaction plant and haber-bosch reactor, all have substantial capital cost. The cost of power is only part of the finished cost of a litre of ammonia. Running them at part load amortises their cost over a smaller volume of product. Which makes the product more expensive. Plant maintenance requirements are also reduced if we can keep plant at a constant operating temperature, avoiding thermal gradients.
I am well aware. The electrolysis part is a significant cost that you did not factor in. But hydrogen and nitrogen can be stored in centralized facilities, hydrogen being of course very expensive to store. Agree with bottom line, ammonia not competitive, but once things will become desperate there will be someone attempting to build an intermittent ammonia system.
Why not just get a Belly Warmer?
Try Thailand
He looks quite fit… hahahahahahahaahahahaha He killed himself
https://live2fightanotherday.substack.com/p/belfast-cardiac-surgeon-dies-suddenly/
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/08/07/the-deafening-silence-about-the-vax/
This doesn’t sound like an article we will see quoted any time in Main Stream Media any time soon.
How ironic that Paul Craig Roberts was the former associate editor and a journalist for the WSJ.
Parallel universes – the Vaxxed don’t see these compilations .. the injuries are rare … most of them are actually long covid
The moon is open for business, and entrepreneurs are racing to make billions
Marianne Guenot Aug 6, 2023, 8:44 AM ET
The moon is open for business, and entrepreneurs are racing to make billions
Marianne Guenot Aug 6, 2023, 8:44 AM ET
The moon is pictured with a large neon ‘open’ sign hovering on top of it.
The moon is open for business. iStock; Robyn Phelps/Insider
NASA is going back to the moon, and this time it means business.
Private companies are helping it build lunar transport, GPS, Wi-Fi, and more.
This new market, which is worth over $100 billion, could be game-changing for humanity.
If NASA has its way, it will send astronauts back to the moon by the end of the decade, making them the first humans to walk on the lunar surface in over half a century.
But this isn’t just another scientific mission. This time around, NASA means business.
With its Artemis missions, the US space agency aims to lay the foundations for the first human settlements beyond Earth and pave the way for extraplanetary colonization. And business is at the core of its strategy.
“It’s not theoretical at this point — it’s happening,” Brendan Rosseau, a teaching fellow at Harvard Business School who focuses on the space economy, told Insider.
The agency is tagging private companies like SpaceX, Blue Origin, Nokia, Lockheed Martin, and General Motors, to develop solutions for its lunar missions such as space-worthy rides, moon streaming, lunar GPS, and more.
This new market — worth over $100 billion— could be game-changing for humanity.
“Definitely the moon is going to be a big business,” said Prachi Kawade, a senior analyst at NSR, a research-and-consulting company focused on the space market.
Artemis is not Apollo 2
What NASA is aiming to achieve on the moon is “something that’s never been done before,” Rosseau said.
At first, lunar missions could be limited to a couple of weeks or months in a lunar base camp. But down the line, the ambition is for the moon to become a hub of human and robotic activity as it develops into a pit stop on the way to Mars.
This creates a lot of opportunities for commercial development along the way, and NASA is aware of that.
“We want to leave behind a wake of commercial activity and commerce and more routine living and working in space,” Steve Creech, acting deputy associate administrator for the Artemis campaign, told Insider.
……
We’re probably at least a decade away from sending people or robots to mine the surface of the moon, but that doesn’t mean people aren’t already making money as they lay the groundwork for this business, Kawade said.
“We are talking somewhere about $137 billion in opportunities in the next 10 years, and we estimate about 400-plus missions to be launched during this timeline,” said Kawade.
NASA wants to bring business with it to the moon
Artemis is part of a grander scheme to empower the commercial sector to take charge of space exploration, a move initiated by then-President George W. Bush in the 2000s. He asked NASA to put the private sector at the center of its strategy after retiring the space shuttle program.
People need to keep coming up with evermore fantastic ways the economy might be saved. The sky isn’t the limit; we can go to the moon, too. If people can make believable stories about the wind turbines, solar panels, and EVs saving the world, they can add stories about development on the moon. There are details like how we get there and back, what we do for oxygen, food and water, and how we would store energy products to work on the moon.
I agree. As things get more dire, the lies get more extreme. If the moon is such a great a business opportunity, why not start somewhere more hospitable and easier to get to, like the arid unpopulated areas in New Mexico and Arizona, or the Sahara Desert? You can set up shop and do the same thing with none of the hassle of space!
And you wouldn’t even have to drive around the Van Allen Belts… which is a major hassle since there are no fast food restaurants on that route
Air, food, and water are not difficult. Here is a paper on this subject from 1975.
https://htyp.org/design_to_cost#Space_Farm_Paper_from_1975
Graphic of the inside of a space farm for 10,000 people.
https://htyp.org/wikiup/a/a8/SMF_1975_Closed_Ecosystems_Chapter.pdf
Chapter from the second Space Manufacturing Conference.
A farm on the moon would be harder, but not very much.
My but I have been at this for a long time.
>> Air, food, and water are not difficult. Here is a paper on this subject from 1975.
Indeed, Carolyn Meinel was able to create the space farm in 1975 with only “Colored pencil and chalk”.
Maybe we could get a CGI of that? Or are they too busy with the Ukey war stuff
Eureka! H Keith! You revealed the truth! Page 3 of the pdf but page 106 of the text, right column, top of the page, on how you were gonna grow 500g of grain per person/day “…carbon fixation rate was increased to 90g/m^2 day by OPTIMIZING CO2 LEVELS TO 0.13% You are legend.
keith is.. a scientist hahahahaha
Those numbers seem about right to me. They were checked by agriculture professors at the U of Arizona and the paper editor was a PhD botanist.
What’s your problem with them?
The per person growing area was around 25 square meters, so the grain would take a little under half of that. I might add, that a substantial fraction of the grain was fed to goats so we could make ice cream.
Incidentally, plants do considerably increase growth as the CO2 goes up. Lots of web pages if you look for them.
“While there are direct ways in which CO2 is a pollutant (acidification of the ocean), its primary impact is its greenhouse warming effect. While the greenhouse effect is a natural occurrence, too much warming has severe negative impacts on agriculture, health and environment.”?
https://skepticalscience.com/co2-pollutant.htm
“It is possible to boost growth of some plants with extra CO2, under controlled conditions inside of greenhouses. Based on this, ‘skeptics’ make their claims of benefical botanical effects in the world at large. Such claims fail to take into account that increasing the availability of one substance that plants need requires other supply changes for benefits to accrue. “?
https://skepticalscience.com/co2-plant-food.htm
No problem at all with those numbers. I am happy to hear that a lunar hog farm is also possible.
“lunar hog farm”
Possible. The picture was of a small scale “starter” farm in space. Lunar is harder because you have to supply the light. We mentioned pigs, but left them out because they are in competition for food humans can eat.
Keith
Have you ever watched “The Clangers”?—easily the best science fiction series ever made.
Not sure where/if you can find it in your neck of the woods–but do google it.
great stuff
3 seconds of your time
https://youtu.be/-9GNXjkVU0U
If you enjoyed the Wombles, you’ll love the Clangers.
For myself, my favorite of the genre is Bagpuss—Oliver Postgate’s best work IMHO. Professor Waffle, the woodpecker cum bookend, was modeled on Bertrand Russell, who was a regular visitor to the Postgate household when Oliver was still in short trousers.
the guy in that painting is doing something suspicious with a sheep
but any ”business” in space must have profitable purpose Keith
without that, anything off earth is no more than a vacation.
ypu can work out that girls in pretty frocks can push supermarket trolleys around presumably on the moon ,—but the end result is—-what?
The entire environment is artificial, supported (ultimately) by earth based industry, using technology as yet uninvented at scale.
First you want to hoover up asteroids to make new Earths
now you want supermarkets in space
where will it end?
“have profitable purpose ”
Right, O’Neill understood that in 1975 when he proposed to build power satellites in space and sell energy to earth. Had this come about, a lot of current problems would be mitigated if not eliminated.
Unfortunately, his proposal depended on the Space Shuttle, which never reached the early projections of cost and flight rate.
The Google group I manage is “Power Satellite Economics” which should indicate I appreciate your concern.
Incidentally, the drawing is not on the moon. It is in a spinning pressure vessel in space. One of the thing we figured out in those long ago days is that you can put wires across the center and support things like cages with them in tension.
sorry—(again!!!)
”selling energy” isn’t enough Keith
you have to turn energy into profitable enterprise
As I keep trying to hammer it home—energy is useless of itself
You can possess a million barrels of oil—youre rich!!!!!
er—no you’re not—not until someone takes it away and converts it into products/services that people want—–and more importantly that people can AFFORD.
Affordability is the killer keith
Her on Earth, most of our prime products revolve around transport.
So OK—you make all the bits for truck, cars planes and so forth in space. Do you then assemble those bits in space, or ship them here in crates of parts (this sounding even dafter as I write it)
Somehow I dont see a 40 to truck coming down a space elevator—but no matter.
You get your wheeled vehicle back to earth. (It’s probably cost $5m minimum)
Then what do you do with it?
Vehicles exist for the purpose of carrying ‘stuff’ from a to b and back again–but if everything is delivered by space elevator—what exactly would the purpose of vehicles be?
And i still think all this is an extended windup, were it not for learned papers youve been writing on it for the past 40 years.
“you have to turn energy into profitable enterprise”
There are several hundred companies that sell energy in the US. List here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_electric_companies Do you consider them profitable enterprises?
It’s possible that a company that built power satellites might also sell energy but I that does not seem to be the best approach.
There is a layer of perhaps a dozen companies that build power plants for the power companies. If power satellite are constructed, I expect the company that does so will sell the power satellites to utilities or groups of them. Power satellites don’t scale down well, and 5 GW is a large lump for most utilities.
The Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station (3.9 GW), for example, is owned by 6 utilities.
I have run the financial projections both ways, selling power rather than power satellites took a much larger investment. Even selling the power satellites still an awful large number, $30 to $60 B to become profitable.
The massive scale is one of problems. It may take a government with war level motivations to get it done. On the other hand, it may not be done before something (fusion perhaps) makes it moot.
the Saudis sell oil
How it is possible for them to sell their oil?
Because other people take that oil and use it for profitable enterprise—ie they make things with it.
Now—if that oil had to be lifted out of a well with buckets, the means of extraction would be so costly as to be unviable in terms of human enterprise.
*****
Yesterday you mentioned a venture involving satellites, and marketing their use. But it never came to anything because putting them into orbit cost too much.
Which comes to exactly the same thing.
“war level motivarion” still involves energy committment. If there’s insufficient energy, you cannot have war level committment.
I would very much like to see space colonisation and space manufacturing established. I think we all would. But as Norman Pagett makes clear, there has to be a solid business case for this to happen. This is how humanity developed a satellite industry. Companies are able to profittably sell satellites to people on Earth, who use them to generate economic value or gain a strategic advantage over their rivals.
Space manufacturing will cost hundreds of billions of dollars to set up. That will be true even if the cost of getting into space is reduced by Elon Musk’s SpaceX. For any entity to make that kind of investment, they have to be sure of long term economic gains that provide a solid return on that capital.
So I come back to my original question. What is it that you can make in space and sell to people on Earth, that will generate enough profit to provide a good rate of return on the enormous capital investments required? Really, the entire prospect of space colonisation hinges on the answer to that question. It had better be something that people need in abundance, that they cannot procure as easily on Earth itself.
“need in abundance”
Exactly correct. Energy fits that requirement. Replacing all the energy humans use now takes about 3000 5 GW power satellites. For electric power selling at 3 cents per kWh (undercutting coal) the cost of a 5 GW power satellite and the associated rectenna needs to be $12 B or less. It is still a $36 trillion market.
At $2.4 B/GW, it is less than 25% of the cost of nuclear reactors at $10 B/GW. On a per kW basis, the estimated breakdown is
$1300 for the lift cost,
$900 for the parts and robotic labor
$200 for the rectenna.
This is based on 6.5 kg/kW and all the numbers need further study.
The big problem is that a power satellite plus the fuel needed to get it to GEO is about 50,000 tons. At 100 tons per Starship flight, that’s 500 flights. To build them at a rate to replace 1/3rd of energy use in 20 years is 50 a year, or 25,000 flights, almost 70 per day.
On the basis of work NOAA did, I suspect that a higher rate would cause too much ozone damage.
The system needs a mix of energy types to service current equipment and to try to convert to a more electrical economy,however. It especially needs is diesel fuel to operate current equipment. But it needs a lot of other things that oil provides too, including lubrication.
We know that there is the Fischer Tropsch process which can perhaps transform some energy to other types, but not very efficiently. It seems like we need quite a bit more electricity than we are currently using to get to the needed end products.
“not very efficiently”
It’s not that bad. Making hydrogen is around 80% and the F/T loss is 27%. That makes the conversion loss under 50%
But you are certainly right, we would need an awful lot more electricity.
That’s not really the SPS idea. The idea is that you launch factories and lunar mining facilities into space, capable of turning lunar ores into SPS components. That way, you leverage the mass you launch by exploiting resources that are already in a much weaker gravity well than Earth’s.
You can launch ore packages from the moon using linear electric motors without using a molecule of propellant. The setup costs are high. But once up and running, such a facility can launch millions of tonnes of bulk ores into space each year. The cost per kg launched is then reduced to much less than one dollar.
This is the way to build really big things in space. The things that come from Earth are people and machinery needed to process the ores. Even if launch costs are reduced to $100/kg, it still makes sense to leverage mass.
I need to understand how these missions survive the van allen belts
I hate to be a killjoy prick about this
have you seen this? discuss
https://youtu.be/4O5dPsu66Kw?t=172
We’re fundamentally incapable of getting a self sustaining biosphere in the arctic regions, and boy is -70C a mild summers breeze compared with virtually absolute vacuum, radiation bombardment, perpetual darkness and desolation, absence of oxygen and water.
Let’s be real; the only thing that will cross those belts are radiation hardened electronics. Which narrows down hoomanoid rapacious tendencies to the monkey business on earth, well, except for the poles.
You see, such is the Will to Power for the myopians of the ordinary, it is all about projections and extending their earthly egotistic fantasy into the antics of the freaking Jetsons.
It is like a wet blanket of folly slowly drowning my Will to Exist in a choke of not even absurd.
Repeat after me:
THE MYOPIANS OF THE ORDINARY!
MOARons!
Tryhards!
UNITE IN YOLO!
🤣👍👍
“That’s not really the SPS idea.”
I tend to agree with you, though most of the work has been on up from the ground rather than getting the materials from space.
The problems of mining the moon are complicated. You have to get it off the moon and catch it. Then you have to make it into useful stuff.
Mining asteroids might be easier, but there has not been enough work on either to pick between them.
In the Sahara they are so much easier. Specially air, and thermal mitigation, since there is night every 24 hours.
Indeed … why go all the way to a place that is barren and without water… when there are plenty of places like that so close to home?
Doesn’t make sense
keith is a prime example of what democracy MUST forever be banned
And replace it with exactly what?
It reeks of Hyper Tryhard and Hyper MOARon everywhere.
https://youtu.be/3O9FFrLpinQ
No, we have go beyond democracy by giving the myopians of the ordinary exactly what they want, if they’re capable (they aren’t!) of figuring it out for themselves, sans the collective (sub conscious).
FEED THE BEAST!
🤣👍👍
It’s already been replaced … and existed for only a very short period to begin with – or maybe not at all
It’s just amazing that they lost all that fantastic 1960s technology.
But I need to believe…!!
Bush also promised that we were going to the moon. This is nothing new. Simply another distraction in a slowly crumbling empire and in an age of epochal change. I’m not sure they went back in ’69 through ’73 and I don’t think any country is sending a manned mission anytime soon. I’m 65 years old and I’ve seen a lot. The older I get, the less I trust anyone – especially corporations and political elites.
Before we all die (soon) everyone should watch this at least once
Also, the idea that Stanley Kubrick directed the Moon Landings gets an outing in this shortish essay. Read it, and whatever your conclusions, you will never feel the quite same about The Shining again.
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/luna_apollomissions10.htm
keith – can you call NASA and ask to speak to this guy and tell him it is possible to detour around the belts… that would save him and the other engineers big money … they could then fly to the moon in something as flimsy as this https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fwxh0mt3gwg4z.jpg
hahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahaha
https://youtu.be/4O5dPsu66Kw?t=172
bingo. I have doubts, too.
FE, once in a while you post such misleading garbage that it motivates me to search and provide a link. All you need to do is put in Apollo Van Allen Belt. That takes you here: https://www.popsci.com/blog-network/vintage-space/apollo-rocketed-through-van-allen-belts/
The third graphic into the article shows the path Apollo took to the moon. avoiding the intense inner belt.
They still would have had to pass through the belts and by NASA’s own admission the intense radiation extends beyond the belts and is intense even on the moon. Try again.
Did you look at the diagram of how they missed the inner Belt?
keith … you are a prime example of why democracy would be a total disaster
” I don’t consider Popular Science”
There are a dozen or more hits on those terms. Pick any one of them you trust that has a diagram of how they did it. I only skimmed the article, but it mentioned that the radiation in the outer belts was low enough that the spacecraft walls stopped most of it.
Also, that they wore radiation badges and the none of the people who went to the moon go more than 5 rad which is the exposure of workers in the atomic biz. Might have been a different story if there had been a big solar fare while they were on or in transit to the moon, but they lucked out.
Personally, I don’t think we will have a lot of people in space till the robots have put up shelters or built entire rotating space colonies.
But keith – the NASA engineer says they are spending big bucks trying to construct a craft that can safely fly through the belts.
Why would he say that if we’d already done in 50+ years ago?
Are you on drugs?
Keith, with all due respect, IF they faked the moon landings, there’s no reason why the radiation badges would record dangerously high levels, so that proves nothing.
The astronauts could have gone around the VA belts and ended up with less high levels.
They could have stayed in low Earth orbit and ended up with less high levels.
Or they could have gone through the densest part of the belts, fried their brains to zombification, and had radiation badges faked.
If the moon landings were faked, the radiation badges wouldn’t need to be faked.
keith – are you really a scientist…or are you faking that?
Now, if anyone could debunk this next one, we would all be in their debt.
I’ve posted this before, but it’s worth bringing it up again because there seems no way around it. That rocket didn’t travel fast enough to get into orbit, according to some experts.
Did this Saturn V Rocket Get to the Moon?
Alexander Popov PhD and Andrei Bulatov
An investigation that suggests the Apollo 11 rocket travelled many times slower than scheduled
“With such a start to the flight, the Apollo 11 craft had no chance of catching up with the required ascent schedule.” – N. V. Lebedev, Veteran of Baikonur Cosmodrome
https://www.aulis.com/apollo11saturn_v.htm
keith… science
The Van Allen belts are a non-trivial problem and the astronauts did take dose passing through them. Two things mitigated that dose.
(1) The Apollo service module and lander provided substantial shielding due to the presence of propellant tanks. Even the skin of the spacecraft would have partially protected astronauts.
(2) The inner belt starts about 900km above Earth. The service module passed through it quickly at several km/s. The outer belt has a much lower ion density.
The presence of the Van Allen belts will not prevent manned lunar missions. It jyst adds an additional risk that astronauts have to accept.
Tim, a couple of observations:
1. The Apollo astronauts doesn’t seem to be the sharpest knives in the capsule.
Which is likely why they were chosen, patriotic, competitive sans the Zest and ethics of the truly elite.
I like their “oh sh17” moment at the post mission presser when they realize that this last “simulation/role play” was broadcasted all over the world as the real thing. 🤣👍👍
A reversed ‘Enders game’.
2. The law of stupidity.
After all, the rapacious isn’t fit for projects of grandeur, the monkey just want to fit in the myopia of ordinary.
Anyone of some rudimentary credulity working IRL on much smaller engineering endeavors would quickly deduce that the whole shebang obviously must have been a sham.
https://youtu.be/3O9FFrLpinQ
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This … says it all
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fwxh0mt3gwg4z.jpg&rdt=60969
And yet … cnnbbc says no – the circle you are looking at … is a square.
norm/keith – ok.
While I haven’t got time to take the con-s-piracy theorist line on this one today, I would like to point out that Popular Science (where Keith’s link takes people) is a pro-establishment, defend-the-narrative, counter-the-minsinfo outlet.
They actually published a book claiming to debunk the 9/11 Truth Movement’s objections to the narrative such as controlled demolition and the apparently amazing unburnable passport of alleged hijacker Satam al-Suqami that was allegedly was found a few blocks from the World Trade Center.
It’s a good read though.
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/521526
So, no, I don’t consider Popular Science a credible source on anything with a faint whiff of an official narrative surrounding it.
Keith, do you find my lack of faith disturbing?
“my lack of faith disturbing?”
No. I know scientologists who believe in much weirder things. At least you don’t think you are covered with 75 million year old ghosts that must be removed at great cost. (I hope.)
I presume you realize that if the Apollo landing were faked, they are still being covered up since the lunar orbiters have sent back images of the landing sites. Also the reflectors left on the moon worked to reflect laser light for decades and might still be working.
defaking fakes will put you top of the unpopularity poll on OFW Keith.
wait till they get onto the ‘fact’ that Kennedy shot himself in Dallas
All of this is covered in American Moon – I find it odd when people refuse to watch this.. it reinforces my believe the democracy would be a terrible thing
It’s a depressing watch.
It is simply not feasible to have engineering projects of that magnitude given the tendencies of rapacious primates.
It is simply out of the question.
I wonder if JFK had a talk with Wernher about keeping things smaller and mainly robotic in nature, but the Jetsons acolyte J. Webb had too little IRL experience with monkeys building complex machinery.
And the hoax “debunkers” are just a sad bunch of narcissist mouth pieces.
Well, at least we got bits and pieces of cool tech from that debacle.
As usual, the method of projecting one’s perceived «success» is completely decoupled from the symbols and items.
A necklace of dried squirrel skulls and dead enemy tribesman’s ears of yesteryears is as effective in projecting one’s status as the Tesla and McMansion of today.
Therefore the rapacious primate isn’t capable of cutting through the myopia of ordinary and the smoke and mirrors of their own ‘a primates egotistical fantasies’.
Thus civilizational developments never are a produce from and of the many.
Most monkeys simply end up being counterproductive and damaging to any such endeavors.
https://youtu.be/3O9FFrLpinQ
Let’s face it…. the primates are rapacious and they are MORE-ONS.
The Elders are very smart. They know this. And they exploit this and a few of them are able to control 8 billion+
That is a good thing — cuz we absolutely do not want the 8B having a say in anything…
As a self organizing system the cream rises to the top. And it has. It is inevitable.
Therefore whatever the Elders do … is automatically in the interests of the entire herd of rapacious primates…
The MORE-ONS screech Evil Evil Evil elites (see Substacks for more on this — see MCM — see all of them … they spend their days insisting we have been overrun by Darth Vader)…
NO!
This is not evil – they have told us why they are doing it… they do not tell us they are exterminating us… but they do provide justification for what they are doing
It’s all here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK_fsI32In4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcx-nf3kH_M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6iIBHa80ts
They couldn’t even be bothered to make a decent lunar landing module (again mocking the MOREONS knowing they are so f789ing stooopid and busy stuffing KFC down the hole… that they won’t figure it out).
Whatever is being done … cannot be altered… whatever happens IS inevitable… there is no choice… this is baked into the cake.
Moaning about how evil they are is just another symptom of Stoooopidity. They are not evil…. Evil is not an option anyway…. if there was a choice then we’d have to accept that this is kindness…
This is putting a terminally ill patient – who is suffering horribly … down.
Can we now just enjoy the moment…
And Mike Yeadon is also insufferable
Most of them are insufferable, as the ‘a monkeys egotistical fantasies’ (and perversions) can’t be yanked from their petty minds. Their whole existence would be null and void without their unwitting theatrics trying to slap the sugar coat of sanctimonious hypocrisy on top of the solipsism and hedonism.
Child eating and cannibal primates masquerading behind the flimsy veil of cheap fossils calling other people evil, isn’t that a curiosity?
I’m sure we’re probably considered psychopaths. Ah, the irony. 😆
As wise old sage Gautama concluded – have compassion. It’s not their fault, it’s just how ‘souped up’ primates behave.
The only thing that bother me is according to my knowledge, they too, got a brain. Contentment? Hell no! Rather MOAR!
What is needed is an AGI that can give the “survivors” everything they possibly ever could want. Feed the rapacious beasts until nothing more can be craved. All the little perversions, wants and desires, until all that remains is pure dissatisfaction. A Calhoun Mouse “Utopia” in some survivors Refugia bunker complex.
Straight to the nightmare of Krita Yuga, bliss without effort. Nutrients and dope administered with algorithmic precision until the last dying breath and the noise of fatigued gears grinding to a halt.
It would be a poetic end to it all, wouldn’t it? Just don’t forget to stock up on sufficient dope and nutrients in those subterranean warehouses. Heck, you probably need a few solid state breeder reactors too.
I promise to help until my last breath.
Deal?
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if there was any ”business” to ”do” on the moon, commercial enterprise would have been there in the decade after(1972) the last manned Apollo landing.
But there’s nothing there worth the outlay .
As it is, government are doing it, just because they can—a prestige booster to show to the world
While their people remain in grinding poverty, many without water, sanitation or electricity.
A moon expidition will bring no return for them, just as the Apollo program brought no material return to the USA.
A feelgood factor–maybe. But after that—nothing.
No land access can be succesful if you can’t breathe, or walk on it unprotected.
bonkers
The moon simply wasn’t hyped enough, Norman.
When Eric the Red wanted to colonize a dreary wasteland that was even colder and bleaker than his native Iceland, he named it Greenland. Now that’s marketing!
Anyone wanting to colonize the moon would do well to give it a catchy nickname, such as Cheeseland, Sunnyvista or Cratertopia. Or perhaps Earthview Heaven
sounds good to me tim
But Norm….the Apollo program gave us Tang!
Kapton tape and the beginning of microelectronics. For sure there had to be islands of excellence scattered about in the ocean of monkey business.
https://youtu.be/2pkpsxEyi-k
We can always stop global warming with an umbrella installed in outer space. And while we’re at, we can install solar panels on it and beam the electricity down to earth! LOL!
https://blackmon.substack.com/p/thursdays-energy-absurdity-so-theres?publication_id=712558&isFreemail=true
keith is quite upset … cuz you are mocking him … he asked me to ask you to apologize for this travesty
I made a long reply to this which seems to have vanished.
There is a serious study of shades published in the JBIS back in 2013. I quoted the abstract. Appreciate you bringing it up.
Also posted on Power Satellite Economics for those interested.
Perhaps you could recommend some books on the subject? Ideally heavy tomes … I need something to hold the hall door open
On the topic of space manufacturing using the moon as a materials resource base. Elon Musk’s Starship could be the key enabling technology for this, if the vehicle is able to reduce launch costs to low Earth orbit to ~$100/kg. The required investments in lunar mining equipment, ore processing, electromagnetic ore launchers on the lunar surface, space factories, etc, will still run into hundreds of billions of dollars.
It is technically possible. But economically, it comes down to a simple question:
‘What is it that you can make in space, that people on Earth will be willing to pay billions of dollars for each year?’
If you can answer that question with a solid business case that promises a decent return on capital, then space manufacturing and maybe even colonisation stand a chance of being realised. If you cannot, then there is no chance of it ever happening.
Gerard O’Neill suggested solar power satellites as a potential product that could be sold to energy hungry developing nations on Earth. But his whole business case was based upon the space shuttle dramatically reducing launch costs. That did not happen. If Starship can achieve what the shuttle could not, maybe O’Neill’s vision will be belatedly realised.
But can they overcome this?
https://youtu.be/4O5dPsu66Kw?t=149
>>>>>‘What is it that you can make in space, that people on Earth will be willing to pay billions of dollars for each year?’<<<<
I keep asking that question Pete
The answer is too inconvenient
Money or dried squirrel skull necklaces, it’s all the same projections from the myopians of the ordinary, completely irregardless of the devices and principle of projection.
https://youtube.com/shorts/sv0Be6rdHpU?feature=share
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The sad thing… is norm and keith actually believe this hahahahahaha
One of the greatest point of divergence was the attempt to save the life of Jairus’ daughter.
Jairus was an influential figure in the religious community of Galilee, Jesus’ home country, and his daughter was dying. Having a confidence that Jesus would be able to save his daughter, Jairus called for Jesus.
Jesus went there. If he rode a donkey (at that time only Romans were allowed to ride horses) the history of xtianity would have been vastly different; he rode a donkey in his final week so he was definitely able to ride it.
But he walked with his disciples, and a woman who had a uterine hemorrhage, whose cause is still undetermined to this day, touched him to get healed.
He realized something happened and wasted time to find her, and when she was found he delivers a short sermon to bless her.
While he was wasting time like that Jairus’ daughter died. Jesus goes to Jarius’ houses and revives her, but the girl does not speak . He leaves there after telling to fetch something for the girl to eat.
We don’t know what happened to them afterwords, but immediately after that passage, it is said that the towns of Chorazin, Bathesida and Capernaum, important towns in the Galilee, turned against Jesus.
It is likely that the girl who was revived remained a vegetable, making her useless for anything, and Jairus became very, very, very upset and turned the opinion of these towns against Jesus.
From that point Jesus became a fugitive and remained so until his crucifixion. His movement was less successful than the Bar Kochba movement about a century later.
The woman with hemorrhage had her reasons but she f’ked up Jesus. St Peter probably had a guilt trip about this; if he had cut the woman down before Jesus found her, none of the sufferings by Jesus’ followers would have taken place.
And if Jesus had ignored the woman, who was now penniless after spending all she had to try to find a cure, and was completely useless for Jesus’ group (the gospel writers didn’t bother to record her name), and didn’t waste time to talk to her in order to help someone far more significant, he wouldn’t have ended up in the cross.
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every single work of charity done to the Third World has hastened the End .
A more social darwnisitc policy, extremely cruel toward the weak, the poor and the unfortunate, would have hastened the transition to the new civilization.
Jesus was sympathetic to a woman who suffered for years and got himself crucified. If he had been cruel to her he would have founded the Neo-Kingdom of Israel against he Romans, but his act of sympathy ruined him and his disciples.
“If he had been cruel to her he would have founded the Neo-Kingdom of Israel against the Romans”
His ‘kingdom was not of this world.’
There probably is some truth to what you tend to argue about the negative consequences of empathy and charity, but see above, Jesus was not claiming that his moralistic doctrine was conducive to the building of earthly kingdoms.
His view was that ‘the kingdom of god is at hand’, and would be ‘seen by this generation’, and that only he and his moralistic doctrine would ensure that those ‘who believe shall never die.’
In other words the apocalypse, the end of the world, was imminent, and god would restore the world to some kind of pre-Fall condition in which the world works differently, the ‘wicked’ (basically anyone who does well for themself) would perish and the ‘righteous’ (poor) would inherit it.
When you read the gospels, forget all of the credal stuff of the churches, and just look at what he was actually saying. Later readings have got little to do with his religion.
Anyway, he was not preaching a worldly rebellion or a political transformation like the Jews wanted.
The apocalypse never happened, and rightly that should have been the end of it. The gospels would maybe have remained an important and valuable statement of a particular point of view however, and they never cease to fascinate.
I have recently come to see the story of Christ through the concept, “Law of Equity” – in the sense that he was saying all are equal in the eyes of God. My understanding is that his teachings jived with those of the Romans. i.e. what Christ was proposing is a system where all humans have access to the law and are equal under it – as opposed to the Roman / Babylonian system which said that Emperors have different rights to slaves.
Whilst I don’t think the Law of Equity was recognised as a threat in Rome at the time (Emperor Tiberius was away on an island soddemising little boys), local governors (such as Pontius Pilate) probably understood the threat. I think attempts were made by the Romans to “dissuade” Christ from preaching about the Law of Equity – triggering his defence of “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, render unto God what is God’s”.
Such that, in the end, it was the Romans who decided to execute him and not the local riff-raff.
I’d go as to far as to say that even the wicked is part of the process, and why would they be treated unfairly by divinity? After all, a rapacious primate just is – rapacious for a little while.
But don’t worry, rather let’s read a gospel from George Carlin while we crank up the AC and shuffle our self entitled princesses rear ends from A to B in an automobile, and then back again:
“The planet will be here, we’ll be long, long, loong gone; just another failed mutation; just another closed-end biological mistake; an evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas, a surface nuisance.“
https://youtu.be/7W33HRc1A6c
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Only in California. This would be applauded if it happened in Florida.
“Police Investigating Shop Owner Who Took Down Armed Thief With A Stick”
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/wtf-police-investigating-shop-owner-who-took-down-armed-thief-stick
The thief pulled out something that he claimed was a knife or a gun earlier in the video. At that point the shopkeepers have been threatened with grievous bodily harm or death and a response of any magnitude is justified.
One must leave the situation if possible even if means jumping out of a window. The shop keeper could simply leave if he truly feared for his safety. It’s never permissible to use violence or force to protect property. I’m hoping California throws the book at this shop keep who savagely beat a customer he suspected might be stealing cigarettes instead of documenting then informing the authorities.
That’s precisely why businesses have decided to leave California.
In Israel it is permissible to use violence to protect property. Are you an anti-Semite?
No KOOMbaya here… I would prefer to have seen the shopkeeper JFK that SOB…
Specially when it’s on candid camera!
“Suspected he might be stealing”? You did not watch the video.
As he was dumping mass amounts of cigarette boxes into the bin to walk out the store with them. In Florida, if a person feels rightfully threatened with excessive bodily harm, under Florida law, they are allowed to use all means necessary to thwart an attacker.
California just needs to separate from the US and become its own country.
I’m tired of these ableist attitudes. This customer has a disability which requires him to use a trash barrel on wheels in shops which do not provide shopping carts. He was confused and wandered behind the sales counter.
Excellent satire, sir 🙂
He’d be long gone before authorities came – if they came at all.
The way to deal with people like this is to bash their faces in – ideally you beat them to death with a baseball bat… then you take a broken bottle and saw the head off …
Get a pointy pole and mount the head on that and put it outside with a sign ‘Shoplifters Beware’
That will end the problem immediately
I really like this guy. Hard hitting, concise, easy to understand.Excellent situational summary, with some key data examples.
https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/a-mirage-of-abundance?publication_id=1498475&isFreemail=true
Hubbs . I like Mr B . Here is why . Copy/paste from POB .
HOLE IN HEAD
IGNORED
08/07/2023 at 12:47 pm
In the same vein . The mirage . Prof Michael Hudson calls it the “Potemkin economy ” .
Winning ’23 style:
Credit card debt at a record $1 trillion w/ the highest interest rates ever.
Car affordability at all time lows.
Housing affordability at 37 year lows.
But no recession cause the government is blowing a massive deficit.
The future is bright cause it’s on fire. — Sven Henrich ( Northman trader
I like that: “The future is bright cause it’s on fire.”
I don’t know how long this all can last. We go from one band aid to the next.
Fine with me. Maybe our elites will stop slaughtering for profit around the world and pretending that we have any type of “democracy”. When the US economy collapses, much of the planet will be relieved.
A Mirage of Abundance
In order to have a better understanding of our world and to have at least a chance at gaining an insight into our future, we must understand some simple facts pertaining to the basis of our modern high tech civilization. How, and thanks to what technology, can we feed 8 billion people? How can 1 billion of us live so decently, surrounded by all the bells and whistles this civilization has to offer? Is this going to last forever? Can it last forever…?
Let’s start with a basic fact of life: we live off of what we pull out of the ground. Literally. From potatoes to microchips, everything we touch, eat, use and burn comes from under the ground. Plants take up nutrients like nitrates, potassium and phosphorus from the soil and turn them into edible food. Drilling rigs bore holes thousands of feet deep to bring up oil and natural gas to the surface. Excavators tear up the ground and haul rocks to a truck, which carries them into a refinery or a smelter. There they magically turn into clean metal sheets and slabs, Portland cement, glass or silicon monocrystals. Machines, equipment, building materials, consumer goods are then get built and manufactured from these raw materials.
Everything we touch, eat, wear, use then throw away has its origins under our feet. No exceptions.
Up until fairly recently, for the last 3 million years of our existence as primates on Earth at least, we depended on what Nature had to offer. What plants took up with their roots and converted into food with their leaves. We ate their fruits and the animals feeding on them. All this was part of a natural circulation, where dust became plants, plants became us, and we became dust. All the organisms supporting this endless cycle were there long before us, from bacteria to bees, from grass to grazing herds. Nothing needed to be “solved”, “saved” or “tackled”. It just worked, for millions and millions of years. It wasn’t perfect, but it worked.
Then came the idea to tore up the land, kill all its inhabitants and propagate the seeds of a single plant species to feed no one else but us. We even had a name for this radical new technology: grain agriculture. We did this for a couple of millennia in boom and bust cycles as we depleted Nature then collapsed, predictably. Then came someone called Thomas Malthus who has realized the prime reason behind: we have a limited area where we can do agriculture, while people have an unlimited propensity to procreate (not least because a child could help to grow more food than he or she ate). You can call this an inconvenient truth, a sword of Damocles hanging over pre-industrial Britain, but what most people did instead is to call this “Malthusian thinking”, bragging how his views have been discredited by “progress”.
His name has become a convenient thought stopper. Limits, however, did not disappear because of our denial.
https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/a-mirage-of-abundance
Intelligence is overrated
superb bit of cut and paste there eddy
You must be feeling disappointed that you didn’t do it first and attach your name to it
GDP should be changed to GPI – Gross Pillaging Index … or better still GSI — Gross Stupidity Index
Some quotes:
“Everything we touch, eat, wear, use then throw away has its origins under our feet. No exceptions.”
“There is a subtle, fine poetic touch hidden from plain sight, though: not all resources have been created equal.”
“the offshore wind industry (the most metals and resource intensive of all “renewables”) is now experiencing a financial crisis of its own as a result. If I may venture a guess, the next one will be the electric vehicle business.”
This author certainly has an understanding of the problem.
The reason the 1972 Limits to Growth model worked so well is because it modeled the fact that all resources were declining together. All of the other models seem to assume that only a piece here or there is declining, and we can somehow work around the problem.
This is on Pravda a few weeks back, and it seems to be in line with what Prof. Mearsheimer has been saying, that Russia has claimed the four eastern provinces of UKR, plus Crimea, and it is likely to take the next four beside them, and maybe more to the north that includes Russians, and likely end up with about 48% of UKR land. Time will tell.
You can see the provinces on the map here: https://images.theconversation.com/files/487353/original/file-20220929-25-5umtfz.png
https://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/156848-kharkiv_russia/
Russia’s next step: Accession of Kharkiv region
Accession of the Kharkiv region to the Russian Federation will be the next phase of the special military operation. It is the Kharkiv region, from where the armed Forces of Ukraine have been shelling Russia’s Belgorod.
Over the past few days, the Russian troops have resumed the assault on Ukrainian positions north and northeast of the city of Kupyansk in the Kharkiv region, which was abandoned last year.
Earlier it was reported that as a result of the attack on May 15, the Russian Armed Forces gained a foothold on the right bank of the Oskol River in the Masyutovka area. On Thursday, the enemy retreated for 2.5 km in the direction of Kupyansk, and the Russian army approached the settlement of Sinkovka.
On June 2, Russia bombed warehouses in this area. FAB-500 bombs with planning and correction modules were used to bomb warehouses with ammunition. In addition, the Russian Armed Forces struck a missile blow on Chuguev, through which additional enemy forces were being transferred to the Kupyanskoye direction of hostilities.
According to Whisper of the Front Telegram channel, a train arrived to Kyiv from Kupyansk — “all eight train cars loaded with corpses and wounded … they were unloading the train for three hours.”
Vitaly Ganchev, the head of the Russian military-civilian administration of the region, said that the Russian forces “came close to Kupyansk.” The Ukrainians have already declared the city another “fortress”.
On June 5, it was said that the Russian forces took another bridgehead on the Oskol River (north of Dvurechnaya, northeast of Kupyansk). Assault detachments established control over Novomlynsk.
The general foothold with dominant heights, from which the Russian forces will be able to develop an offensive on Kupyansk, has been expanded. The nearest target is the settlement of Dvurechnaya, where firing positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are located.
Kupyansk will be taken like Bakhmut
Experts note that in order to reach the outskirts of Kupyansk, the Russian forces will have to completely clear Sinkovka and the forest area located to the west of the settlement.
“We always act competently — we embrace a heavily fortified point from flanks and begin to choke, exhaust the enemy slowly,” military correspondent Marat Khairullin said, Politnavigator reports.
The return of the Kharkiv region to the Russian Federation will push the enemy back and help stabilise the situation in the Belgorod region and Russia’s other front-line cities.
Russian forces on offensive in Mariinka and Avdiivka
Denis Pushilin, the head of the DPR, said that the Russian forces were advancing seriously in the Donetsk People’s Republic. According to him, Chechen assault detachments “have pushed the enemy back seriously.”
Perminov has indicated that a Russia offensive is coming at some point, but Russia is happy to ‘grind’ UKR from defensive positions, perhaps until UKR is basically exhausted.
Attack is generally more costly than defence, and Russia is allowing the attrition of UKR to play out. ‘Tick, tock’, which is how attrition works. Russia is starting to focus minds on what comes next.
Russia Vows Massive Offensive In Ukraine; Putin’s Men Waiting For ‘Favourable Moment’ To Strike
Russia has promised to launch a new offensive against Ukraine soon. Russian Senator Dmitry Perminov has said that Moscow’s military will go on the offensive once the situation on the ground becomes “favourable” for such an endeavour. Commenting on the slow counteroffensive, he said that the Russian Army was currently grinding up the armed forces of Ukraine. Watch for more details.
If you save all these stories and organize them properly you could have a best selling fiction book
I love how people Trust bbccnn and regurgitate all things UKEY war…. yet they tell me not to trust bbccnn…
Funny that … really f789ing funny
Yep, Russia seems to be positioning itself in Kharkiv.
(There is something refreshingly honest and ‘pure’, perhaps even reassuring, about the noises of these machines.)
> Russia Breaks Deep Into Ukraine’s Defence; ‘Punishes’ Kyiv For ‘Seeking Moscow’s Surrender’
Russia claimed to have advanced eleven kilometers along the Kupiansk front. Russia added that its troops also advanced three kilometers deep into the enemy’s defence. This as the Russian Army seeks to regain territories it lost earlier during offensive. Russia claimed to have ‘improved’ its standing along the frontline in the area. Watch the video for more.
Can you ask them to really blow up a building next time … this is not great for credibility https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/49866
I don’t get it – NATO is running out of bombs for the Ukes… surely there must be thousands of blown up buildings that they could film?????
Kinda like this …
A new video from Project Veritas alleges media malfeasance during a CBS News segment on coronavirus testing at a Michigan hospital, but the news organization denies it was involved in staging the shot.
In a two-minute video posted to Twitter on Wednesday morning, Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe said medical professionals were asked to leave the Cherry Medical Center hospital in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and line up their cars at the testing center outside their hospital in an effort to make it look busy for CBS News.
Some of the people in the video appeared to believe this happened at CBS News’s request.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/alarming-cbs-news-denies-staging-busy-coronavirus-testing-line-in-response-to-project-veritas-video
And breaking news from cnnbbc – the covid vaccines are Safe and Effective + they cure cancer.
Higher oil prices seem to be holding. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Saudi-Arabias-Budget-Deficit-Jumps-By-80-Due-To-Lower-Oil-Revenues.html
Still trying to find info on Saudi’s oil production… if they are cutting because of the decrease in their ability or do they need prices to go higher. I do wonder about the theory that prices can’t go higher… it seems to myopic.. they can go higher and lower for another 20 years probably. I am starting to think David might be right
If oil price goes too high, risk of world economy stalling out, demand destruction leaving KSA with less income.
If oil price too low, KSA doesn’t recoup enough money to fund its government, and winds up depleting its reserves at accurate rate.
An energy tight rope.
I’m sure Putin would rather be saving his money from the sale of Russian oil to diversify his own economy and self sufficiency instead of expending it on the UKR war, but alas, I don’t think he has any choice being faced with this existential threat.
BTW, what is the water to oil ratio from the Saudi wells these days? Kind of a similar question to the ratio of NG to light oil from the depleting Permian shale wells. The percentages and the trends are telling.
Yes it’s so hard to find any real data on production and future oil supplies. It’s as impossible to find information on how much the U.S has spent on the Ukraine war? Technology has become a superpower in itself and regulating everything.
Everything is fake so even if they gave you data it would be fake.
Consider the stock markets… 100% manipulated. Basically fake. Consider all the zombie companies that should not exist — if not supported by the Central Banks BAU would implode within seconds of withdrawing the support. Plunge Protection teams…etc…
All fake. Everything is fake. This is fake https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/49866
I strongly believe that a big part of Saudi’s reason for producing less is a problem with depletion. The water cut (percentage) is getting higher, and they have a fixed amount of water+oil production capacity. When there is too much water, they can’t get as much oil out. But they cannot admit this to anyone as being their problem.
Saudi Arabia cannot really transfer to different types of industry. This would reduce their oil exports, I expect.
They certainly would like higher prices. But it remains to be seen how much a decrease in production will keep prices up for the longer term. It could be that the economy contracts so much that the cuts don’t make that much difference in the price of oil relative to other products.
bbccnn said oil demand has already peaked — and that we are transitioning to EVs … so I am unconcerned by the KSA situation
Too much water? Saudi should sell it! Water is an increasingly precious commodity these days. I foresee the day when it becomes more valuable than oil.
Another form of Biden scandal, involving the dealings of Hunter. From Zerohedge:
Biden Energy Secretary Secretly Consulted Top Chinese Energy Official Before SPR Release, Sales To Hunter Biden-Linked Chinese Energy Giant
Besides talking to China in advance about the drawdown of oil reserves:
(Jerusalem Post + DW)
New missions on the Moon (without humans) for India and Russia.
“India’s space mission Chandrayaan-3 enters Moon’s orbit
08/06/2023August 6, 2023. Chandrayaan-3 is India’s second attempt to administer a controlled moon landing, after a failed attempt in 2019. Only the US, Russia and China have previously achieved a controlled lunar landing.”
https://www.dw.com/en/indias-space-mission-chandrayaan-3-enters-moons-orbit/a-66450517
“Russia to evacuate village for first lunar lander mission in 50 years.
Luna-25 will launch on a Soyuz-2 Fregat booster and will be the first lander to arrive on the South Pole of the moon.”
https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/all-news/article-753919
They need to land on the dark side of the moon – so nobody can watch them.
Cuz it’s of course fake
From the WSJ:
A Real-Estate Haven Turns Perilous With Roughly $1 Trillion Coming Due
Apartment buildings rose in value for years, but surging interest rates loom over sector’s property owners now
With all of these issues, the US stock market today is generally up. I suppose the hope is that with problems at the forefront, interest rates will be brought back down and that will fix all of the problems. It is amazing how the system seems to work.
From Zerohedge:
Tyson Foods Plunges As Earnings Fall Short Amid Waning Meat Demand
Dennis L’s straw grasping is more apparent every day.
The MMA fight between Zukerberg and Musk is resonant on the gladiator fights of Commodus, son of Marcus Aurelius, the only great mind the Roman Empire ever produced. (Lucretius lived before the Roman Empire and other philosophers in that era were not Romans)
Whatever merits Commodus might have had, his antics showed that Roman Empire could not grow anymore and was going to decline. He had nothing more to do other than fight gladiator games. His dad died in Vienna, but not to conquer new lands. he died defending the Danube basin from an increasingly stronger barbarian force.
The force of stasis is now winning.
I quoted Greyenlightenment a few times. but being a Turk, he still has the mind of the viziers in Ottoman court and appears to imagine himself as such. He appears to be running funds for a major Turkish family.
He thinks stasis and tech advances can go together, but given the history of Chinese, Russian and other famous empires, stasis and tech advances go well like oil and water.
With the road to space to be blocked at least for 60s thanks to Donald Kessler, one of the biggest villains ever in the history of science, today’s winners would settle in their feudal estates to ride out this crisis as best as they could, instead of advancing tech and civilization.
feudal estates can only function where there is a some kind of overriding government/king or whatever in control
otherwise the people manning the gates and walls of those estates will eventually go self employed
the result is then civil war
And when one is fighting, he is not planting or harvesting. Death by sword or starvation.
thats why wars were intermittent—soldiers had to go home and restore food supplies
Having a religion that the people follows helps the government/king keep order. It can provide backup for what the leader is saying. Governments and religions seem to have worked hand in hand, before.
Kul,
Believe what you will, my comment is Starship must work or there is no solution.
Manufacturing in space is an engineering problem, above India and Russia are returning to the moon, unmanned as I understand it.
Commenters here have made some interesting observations. My solution to energy was to send “pots” around the sun, an engineering approach was to build a solar reflector from foil in orbit. My addition was put the stuff on the back side of the moon and avoid the political problems, NIMBY.
As for culture, that is a mixed bag and a temporal one at that. Research Ramanjuni if you will, he collaborated with Hardy, but he was a self taught genius and Hardy benefited from this arrangement; the damn English weather also killed Ramanjuni. Englishmen don’t die, they rust out.
My thesis is there is a fabric of the universe, life is very real and very rare and the fabric is right at best 20% of the time; failures are discarded, lessons learned rinse and repeat – Elon is like that and his launch program works very, very well and recovers long, slender sticks on their extended back legs.
Your knowledge of history is much better than mine so no or few comments.
But, if Starship works, mark one for me, I put an identifiable event on paper, this site. Fact, not opinion; I like how Musk handled the pad which he was going to change anyway. Fire the rocket and blow the concrete into the next county, a sense of humor which demonstrated pad short comings and removed some of the same with no overhead.
Dennis L.
I will only answer on Ramanujan, probably the most evil person ever entering STEM of all time.
It would be better if he shot himself within the year. He didn’t die in England – he fled to India before the real students, just returning from the battlefield, tore him into pieces. There he felt back into obscurity and perished.
If your starship is ever built, I don’t see any faces who don;t belong there. They will be allowed to board to stop riots on earth, but they will be taken care of within a week of the voyage.
From the WSJ — The base problem seems to be not enough young people pursuing petroleum engineering–other fields seem more promising.
Big Oil’s Talent Crisis: High Salaries Are No Longer Enough
Energy companies scramble to attract engineers as young workers fret over climate and job security
This is not a problem given the current excess of graduates.
That’s a theme that Martyanov spruiks endlessly . . . and correctly.
The key point is that the human capital necessary to operate advanced industry is disappearing from the West in a haze of delusion and woke ideology.
So even if they somehow magically materialise the infrastructure to rebuild the advanced manufacturing base, there are insufficient educated/trained people to operate it.
Viz Raytheon trying to persuade retirees to come back to work and build more Stingers, because there’s nobody else around.
Who wants to study boring STEM when they can die their hair blue, pick funky pronouns, get a degree in “gender studies” or “international relations” then go to work for an NGO spouting woke gibberish to the world.
Russia is laughing its ass of at the West.
From the WSJ: It sounds like “Peak Fancy Wind Turbines” to me. Old fashioned wind mills are a whole lot more sustainable.They can be used to pump water and do a few other intermittent things.
Wind Industry Hits Rough Seas as Problems Mount
More than $30 billion in spending is delayed as crisis hits renewable-energy sector
Good you paste text from WSJ pieces, as they’re inaccessible to non-subscribers —
As fossil fuels deplete, won’t “complexity” tend to break down?
Without the fossil-fuel-based infrastructure, how could this wind-and-solar stuff work?
I tried to copy the most important parts.
Yes, indeed, as fossil fuels deplete, complexity will tend to break down. But of course, the WSJ articles don’t write about this issue. They tend to write about issues in terms of how they will affect stock prices in the near future. Also, they can often find someone to say, “This problem is only temporary. This is a good buying opportunity for stocks.”
On the record on this one. Life is a miracle and someone/thing is working very hard at it, it will go forward; my joke about supernovaeing stars to make an iron core is fact, it may take a few tries, but one star or more is a not a big deal.
They will think of something. We are going forward, we already have a spaceship, earth; energy is “free” for the taking or there is so much relative to collectors in space overhead is a decimal point. Go fusion!
All the minerals, etc. on earth fell to earth, we collect them prior to falling and save digging the stuff out of a deeper gravity well called a “mine.”
Not all stocks are bad, try BRK. Stocks work because human ingenuity invents new things, gold is a useless brick with huge transactions costs – see Spain. As always, it is 80/20 even for the best. The problem with stocks is liquidity, all the funds have to sell the best stuff when there are downturns to pay off investors. Warren just yawns, and purchases more of his own stock at a bargain.
Be born into a good family, learn good values, start young in values, education and money and Spock had a point, “Life long and prosper.”
Dennis L.
use this https://archive.ph/
https://archive.ph/S2CH1
(CNN + Reuters + Al Arabya)
Cloud seeding in Mexico and Dubai. Weather modification was born in the 1940s. Since then, it has been used in 50 countries around the globe.
(CNN) Wed August 2, 2023 “Drought-stricken Mexico is turning to a controversial technology to make it rain. By Laura Paddison, CNN. Updated 6:00 AM EDT. As an extreme drought grips Mexico, leading to crop losses, a lack of water and higher food prices, the government is trying to bring desperately-needed rain by turning to a controversial technology: cloud seeding.
In July, the country kicked off the latest phase of a cloud seeding project that aims to artificially stimulate rainfall. It is targeting 62 municipalities clustered in its north and northeast, with the aim of “combating the effects of drought and contributing to the recharge of aquifers,” according to a statement from the Ministry of Agriculture.
Cloud seeding is a technology first discovered in the 1940s. Since then, it has been used in around 50 COUNTRIES, including in the United States and China. Mexico has been experimenting with weather modification for more than seven decades.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/02/americas/mexico-cloud-seeding-drought-rain-climate-intl/index.html
(Reuters) August 30, 2022 “Parched UAE turns to science to squeeze more rainfall from clouds. By Abir Ahmar. ABU DHABI, Aug 30 (Reuters) – As a twin-turboprop aircraft takes off under the burning desert sun with dozens of salt canisters attached to its wings, United Arab Emirates meteorological official Abullah al-Hammadi scans weather maps on computers screens for cloud formations.
At 9,000 feet above sea level, the plane releases salt flares into the most promising white clouds, hoping to trigger rainfall. “Cloud seeding requires the existence of rainy clouds, and this is a problem as it is not always the case,” said Hamadi, head of rain enhancement operations in the UAE’s National Centre for Meteorology.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/parched-uae-turns-science-squeeze-more-rainfall-clouds-2022-08-30/
Just for the news, almost same period of the above mentioned last year experiment, there was recently extreme rain weather in Dubai. Of course no proof of direct link, as another experiment has not been mentioned on the news this time, but strange.
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/gulf/2023/08/05/Heavy-rainfall-wind-and-sandstorms-batter-parts-of-the-UAE
Don’t have a clue on climate change, but……
It wouldn’t hurt to move all the exogenous heat possible off earth, the earth did fairly well prior to industrialization if we ignore the unfortunate dinosaurs who happened to live when an asteroid hit. Now, if they had Starship, they could have deflected it, prospected it, and if valuable mined the damn thing processing it on the moon and all would be well with the universe.
Theory: they were too damn happy, they lived for how many millions of years? Answer: 165M years.
When they gods get together, even in their time frame, 165M years is too many to wait for a good conversation starter, especially when one had explode so many stars to get the iron pit just right, so a small rock and a bit of a chip out of earth was no big deal.
Dennis L.
I’d like to see Dennis vs FE in a no-holds-barred, UFC-style showdown. Dirty moves encouraged.
Starship vs UEP
Who’d be the winner?
A work colleague of mine lives in a village where the government were attempting to run a trial of using hydrogen to power boilers.
My colleague is not political in any way but her and her neighbours mounted a fierce protest….they didn’t like the sound of the hydrogen and they didn’t like having no choice in the matter.
Rather wonderfully, the government backed down and scrapped the trial.
The local MP, said: “It is clear that asking people to try experimental new forms of energy consumption for their homes will not work unless basic questions about safety, efficacy and cost can be answered from the start.
“It is also clear that leaving people with the impression that this was happening without their consent sent entirely the wrong message out about how we need to tackle climate change.”
They must thing people are stooopid… ah right… they are … and they’ve gone full re tard… complete mockery now
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/lets-get-ready-rumble-musk-says-cage-fight-zuckerberg-will-be-live-streamed-twitter-x
Elon Musk, who on Sunday morning proposed a mixed martial arts cage match with Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg, may have found the perfect excuse to either delay or entirely call off the fight:
“Getting MRI Of Neck & Back”: Musk May Need Surgery Ahead Of Fight With Zuckerberg
Very good article, Gail. Congrats!
Please allow me to make an analogy borowed from my professional background.
We as biological organisms (and like 99.999% of all other multucellular organisms) need certain amount of energy on a daily basis to function and operate otherwise as every other complex and energy disipating system we find our energy equilibrium on a lower state which rapidly translates into biomass and energy for the saprophites (i.e. dropping dead). The needed energy quota we need should be in the only appropriate long term form – ATP (Adenosine TriPhosphate). This molecule has 2 macroenergetic chemical bonds (between 1st and 2nd P-groups and between 2nd and 3rd ones) which yeild equal possitive enrgy flow (about 7 cal/mol per chemical bond) when hydrolized (used). The gist is that very rarely the 1st macroenergetic bond is hydrolized (only in extreme cases, metabolic issues, lasting hunger etc.) and ultimately only the 2nd one is hydrolized for the energy gain. You see while the enrgy needed to regenerate ADP to ATP is the same as the energy gain from breaking the 2nd bond ( about 7 cal/mol) the enrgy needed to constitute the first macroenergetic bond between the first and second P-groups is higher than 7 cal/mol (and breaking the bond provides 7 cal/mol). The bottomline is that by breaking the 1st macroenergetic bond the organism starts to acrue energy deficit (debt) which if expanded becomes unmanagable (unpayable). Parts of the global energy systems are now operating by metaphorically breaking the first bond in order to gain possitive energy flow in the very short term without taking into consideration the energy needed to restore/meintain the system in the long term. It is a classical case of meintaining the illusion and ignoring the situation of ‘not having enough to go around’. In medical sense this is nothing else but palliative care which ultimately does not resolve the issue but just provides nice setting and painkillers on demand for the final hours of the patient.
The Elders are administering ‘Super Fent’ (Rat Juice) to the dying organism… to be followed by phase two of the Binary Pathogen…
Eddy I am glad that you are not in charge of the global nullifying. You’d blow the whole budget just for the feasibility study without any sufficient planning or any money left for the actual phase. What’s the point of burning through resources and capabilities in order to destroy a tower which is already in free fall?
Basically it is the same as with the spaniards and the native americans. The spaniards wisened up quickly to the situation and instead of storming the local cities and fortresses they just went up stream and took a bath. After that wondered about for couple of months and at the end of summer just entered the empty cities and fortresses 😉
To prevent mass murder rape and cannibalism
Yes, unintended consequences with a bit of help from the gods.
Dennis L.
That is an excellent analogy that I can share with my scientish friends. They still won’t get it though. Many thanks
Thanks. You’re welcome
nilo,
I guess: I am seeing more and more commenters on Youtube refer to God, Stephen Wolfram is one.
Education for the past hundred years has been very anthropomorphic, we thought we knew everything. “Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad” is quoted as a “heathen proverb” in Daniel, a Model for Young Men (1854) by Reverend William Anderson
Gods probably get bored and perhaps a bit irritated so they sends us up blind alleys which when we have traveled a bit drive us mad. We had a recent pandemic which was handled by “experts” with less than stellar results, some are still pursuing it as if we just try harder. One is reminded of Marxism, tried and it didn’t work, hard to kill everyone had have someone to do the work.
Dennis L.
I am afraid you may be right. This is how the downhill slide works.
It’s Hoolio hour on OFW
https://i.postimg.cc/Vk3L77Rd/dog.jpg
“Hey, people, I’ve just realised that my owner is BARKING!”
Nah … we wanted to see how he’d react if we drove to a Rat Juice Vax Clinic…. M Fast walked in with him — and they pulled out a syringe…
He was quite traumatized … so we took the poor fella home and gave him one of his frozen raw meat popsicles… that kept him busy for a good half hour
Bronny James, older son of LeBron James, suffers cardiac arrest at USC basketball practice
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/25/sport/bronny-james-cardiac-arrest/index.html
I can’t believe no one has mentioned this.. yet.
This is old news mate. It had its 15 min of fame.
Yep – we’ve had loads more since then including https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/24-year-old-nfl-player-kj-hamler-steps-away-from-broncos-with-heart-issue-but-says-he-intends-to-return/ar-AA1eBXBp
LIBERTY FOOTBALL PLAYER
TAJH BOYD DEAD AT 19
https://www.tmz.com/2023/08/07/tajh-boyd-liberty-football-player-dead-19-offensive-lineman/
Sad, he looks like he could’ve been the next Neil Armstrong!
The Vaxxers are desperately fending off anxious thoughts and repeating to themselves ‘it’s long covid it’s long covid it’s long covid’
The Horror… The Horror
Monkey sounds…imagine them before you read this horror:
The Spike Protein, I believe, is orders of magnitude more powerful than the amount of radiation given in cancer treatment. This timeline is almost certainly immensely condensed in the context of the Spike Protein.
Moreover, the damage is DOSE DEPENDENT and the YOUNGER THE SUBJECT IS AT TIME OF INITIAL EXPOSURE, THE MORE SERIOUS THE CONSEQUENCES.
I also apologize if this comes across as fear mongering. I assure you it is not. We must face this and cannot sweep it under the rug or brush it aside with abandon. If this hypothesis is true, we must immediately begin screenings and implement treatment protocols. Again, my fear is that, currently, much of the damage from radiation induced cardiotoxicity is irreversible.
https://wmcresearch.substack.com/p/spike-protein-induced-cardiotoxicity
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa98f7539-f2e9-4dfb-be73-1c127c9774b1_765x583.jpeg
Spike Protein Induced Cardiotoxicity: A Potential Tsunami of Cardiac Issues Over the Next 20+ Years
How the Spike Protein’s mimicking of radiation damage induces cardiotoxicity
https://wmcresearch.substack.com/p/spike-protein-induced-cardiotoxicity
The good news is … it won’t happen… cuz… UEP
Please forgive me and let me bump this comment of Mike’s up to the top.
Tim, religion is a set of beliefs that have neither evidence nor logic to support them. The existence of someone’s opinions in a “holy” book doesn’t count as evidence and yet apostates who often seem to visit me insist on quoting from such a book as supposed evidence of their beliefs.
Dictionary definition:
1: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
2
a(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
b: the state of a religious
a nun in her 20th year of religion
3: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
There you go, Mike. You’ve proved my point.
3. a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.
Such as nationalism, patriotism, tribalism, fascism, communism, family values, vegetarianism, ketotinic dietism, belief in lay lines or homeopathy, football fandom, astronomy, chess—you’d be surprised at how much faith and ardor some people put into them, Trump/Putin Derangement Syndrome—yes, I know it’s a psychological condition, but a lot of people approach it as a religion, etc., etc.
This is why people describe fanatics on the other side of every debate (although not on their own side) of being zealots or cult members. It’s because they do display the essential elements of cult behavior. And all that falls under the, admittedly very broad, rubric of religion. As I said, it’s the human condition.
And by the way, your numbers 1 and 2 b merely describe “Religion” in terms of certain “religious” aspects. ThisOK as far as definitions go, but as an explanation it’s tautological. It doesn’t tell us any more about religion than the sentence “Football is a game involving a football played by footballers” tells us about football.
Mike, if you hold to a cause, principle, or system of beliefs with ardor and faith, then you can count yourself religious. If not, life must be pretty dull.
Interesting that you chose to focus on one of the dictionary definitions instead of my definition, and you asked for my definition. You’re grasping at straws, I already said I don’t hold beliefs so using a definition that includes “beliefs” doesn’t fit me. I don’t hold beliefs, or anything else, with faith. See my definition for more information.
You provided the dictionary definitions, Mike. I merely quoted you.
Do you take issue with the definitions you posted?
Of course you hold “beliefs” with faith. Humans cannot function without beliefs with faith.
Every step you take along the street you take with the faith that the ground isn’t going to give way beneath your feet.
Every time you eat a meal, you do so with the faith-based belief that it isn’t going to poison you.
When the jabs were rolled out, you appear to have had faith in the benevolence of the NZ Government.
Faith is a strong belief or trust in something or someone, often without requiring empirical evidence or proof. It involves a conviction or confidence in the truth, reliability, or goodness of a concept, idea, person, or belief system.
I can’t see inside your mind, but if you are human, you will have a hard time getting by without a busload of faith.
faith is based on ”un-reason”
ie—something that you belive without factual knowledge or proof
”faith” that a particular food isn’t going to poison you isn’t faith at all.
it’s based on the ”knowledge” that we have food productions systems that we have engineered to deliver safe food
In the same way—you drink water from your tap, without running safety checks on it.
that isn’t ”faith”—its awareness that a water processing plant further up the line has purified it for you—despite knowing that that water might have passed through the digestive systems of 6 other people before in reached you.
If you wanted to–you could go and look at the water processing plant.
No matter how much faith you have—gods workshop is not open to the public
No, you’re wrong there, Norman. If you lived in Flint, Michigan, or in many other places, you would need a lot of faith to drink the tap water.
Last time I visited Spain, the water coming out of the taps was the color of lemon juice.
Generally, when drinking water out of a municipal system, you are NOT aware that the water processing plant further up the line has purified it for you. That’s the whole point.
The plant may have done so, or it may not have done so, or it may have done so incorrectly. That water may not be as pure or as clean or as free from contamination as you think it is. Unless you go check your water each time you turn on the tap, you can’t know for sure that it isn’t contaminated. You have to take it on faith.
You do, but many people don’t. Instead, they dink bottled water and place their faith in that.
Me? My tap water is supplied from a mountain stream, and I won’t drink from that unless it’s been boiled first, because I AM aware the sort of bioactive stuff that lives in it. But I have faith in it not being contaminated by chlorine, fluorine, heavy metals, cyanide, and other people’s sewage. Although I am also aware that this faith may be misplaced.
i was granting common sense and unsaid exclusions about Flint, and other similar places
I see that was misplaced—so you can do your ‘aha’ dance at my comment.
If I had time to write 100 words of caveats with each comment we might get somewhere
but our readers would fall asleep
People who drink water piped to them from the city thinking it is 100% safe… are just plain duuummmb. There is a tie-in with the Rat Juice
Aha!
Admittedly, not many people had much faith in Obama when he took a sip Flint water to assure everyone it was safe, even if not quite Perrier.
I went on a pack trip in the mountains once using two llamas as pack animals. Every stream we crossed those guys would stop and dump right in the water. All we could figure is it was some sort of survival thing where they hid the smell of their dung in the stream. After seeing that, I never drank unfiltered mountain stream water again.
You quoted my quote of the dictionary definition. You asked me for my definition, which I gave, and added the dictionary definition for your edification. You chose to ignore my definition and focus on a definition that you think you can attack.
None of the examples of belief you gave are faith based. There is or was much evidence for all of them.
I don’t have beliefs, Tim. Just accept it and move on.
We’ll leave it there then. Although next time you state your belief in anything, I reserve the right to remind you that you do indeed have them.
I have absolute faith that my next heartbeat will happen
One day my faith will let me down
mike believes the Rat Juice is Safe and Effective…
Is that a religion or a cult (or both)
One thing for sure… it’s not a position that will help mike live a long healthy life
I really do want to leave this alone, but to no avail. It it is harder work saying nothing than replying to some of your more sinister piffle. Particularly this;
There is or was much evidence for all of them.
Much evidence for the safety and effectiveness of the COVID-19 injections that you placed your faith in? Seriously?
Could you talk us through that Mike? When you elected to get jabbed, how that wasn’t the result of an act of faith on your part in the benevolence of the NZ Government but a rational decision made based on much evidence?
Because that really is the crux of the matter. You let yourself be poisoned once? twice? several times? because you had faith that the injections administered to you would not harm you but that they would help to protect you from harm, NOT because there was much evidence that this would be the case, BUT because of your faith-based blind trust in the authorities?
I don’t want to belabour the point but my acceptance of the vaccine, at the time, was based on a lot of reading I did about it. It only later transpired that we weren’t given all of the facts. At the time, I based my decision on the evidence provided. It wasn’t blind faith.
This is a good point.
Bravo – mike… we will now put the quote to rest…
norm? You and keith are the only two remaining Pro Vaxxers… how long will you hold out?
Reading bbccnn … that’s the problem mike
If you recall — I posted this dozens of times before the Rat Juice came to NZ…
https://www.wired.com/2003/05/feds-race-to-make-sars-vaccine/
That’s the risk of ignoring posts from the GOAT with the 1500HP
That said … at least you have admitted to being wrong on this…
So now you are right.
norm and keith – waiting for the next booster
Fair enough, Mike.
Incidentally, I sincerely hope you’ve been spared any serious aftereffects.
Tim, luckily I have nun of those beliefs.
Faith in “Scientific Models” has been elevated to far too high a level. Such models leave out important points. They often are misleading. But they are treated as “science,” even though there is no empirical way to test them. Faith in these takes on religious fervor.
How dummmb are humans? https://t.me/c/1588731774/18954
so asks the guy who can’t understand why the Earth isn’t like a giant merry-go-round. 😉
I don’t think it is a big merry go round because there just doesn’t seem to be much merry going round these days. Lucky I have the uplifting experience of OFW every day for 20 days straight. The in between days are a little edgy. But that just makes me even happier to see you all when you get back.
I often wonder how we would all go in a room together at a party. Anyone care to comment?
During the break this is a good place to be https://sagehana.substack.com/
It’s like a second home, isn’t it? Where we get a bit of respect, and people appreciate our wit and wisdom?
Sage brings a great deal of insanity to the table and is a red piller (norm you’d hate it there)…
And there is a fair bit of receptivity for UEP… it seems to be sinking in with the audience that Resistance is Futile cuz we are deep into resource depletion… the dots are being connected.
I also like that the audience is also a big fan of SCHAD..
The answer to that is that it is a simulation … try standing on a merry go round spinning 800mphr… see what happens… it’s no different
It IS a merry-go-round, and I have a pic to prove it.
https://i.postimg.cc/dtVGGRmT/antique-tin-rocket-swing-wind-up-vintage-toy-EX20-JX.jpg
(Had one of these as a kid.)
No big deal… keep boosting … billions of lives saved
The COVID vaccines are killing an estimated 1 person per 1,000 doses (676,000 dead Americans)
•VAERS data is crystal clear:
It takes about 30 seconds to do a VAERS query that shows the COVID vaccines are deadly. The shape of the “onset curve” makes this obvious. An estimated 676,000 Americans have been killed.
•72% of the deaths in the history of VAERS are from the COVID vaccine
•Death rate from the COVID vaccine: 1 per 1,000 doses
https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/vaers-data-is-crystal-clear-the-covid?r=ytl4p&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
https://t.me/childcovidvaccineinjuriesuk/2890
Not to mention the 3 per 1000 doses maimed for life.
I don’t buy that number … I don’t know 1000 people and I know easily a dozen who are injured.
I’d estimate 1 in 100 or possibly 1 in 50 cuz loads of these Vaxxers do not admit they are f789ed. They experience chest pain and pray that it’s a passing thing
You track this more closely. OK, 20 in 1000 doses maimed for life
>> •Death rate from the COVID vaccine: 1 per 1,000 doses
But think of how many it saved!
This appears to be in the same ballpark as the Japanese excess mortality statistics for the past two years.
As many as 345,000 Japanese have died in “excess” between 25-Apr-21 and 26-Mar-23, a truly unprecedented mortality event in the last quarter of a century.
Prior to 25-Apr-21, excess mortality had not exhibited any signs of unusual activity, in spite of the alleged deadliness of COVID that was rife in the western world for an entire year.
The Japanese MP’s Office statistics state that the total number of vaccine does administered is 405,647,162. That’s just over a thousand times as great as the excess death figure.
https://metatron.substack.com/p/investigation-of-excess-deaths-in
Aren’t all the men conscripted? What about all the bombs… aren’t they scared?
Almost like there’s no war going on …
https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/50244
well sure once again this isn’t new for you, but yes it would appear that “there’s no war going on” only to war-ons such as yourself. 😉
somehow being a war-on and a sciencetard must be related. 🙂
My logic centre is asking why Putin doesn’t starve the EU of energy… I know you won’t be able to answer that … not sure why I even mentioned it
Duh
two points
The draft is for the poor and for those of Russian background.
Where are the Muslims? No more money for Ukraine until they import one million Muslims.
You’d think they’d be scared cuz the massive tonnage of bombs that are being dropped…. supposedly.
And America is running out of bombs hahahaha… that’s the punchline…
America does not run out of bombs Duh
Mass D
Fury at ‘soft porn’ teaching material that tells school children how to perform sex acts – forcing council to withdraw shocking materials amid backlash.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12369421/Council-prevents-schools-using-teaching-material-perform-oral-anal-sex-pushing-trans-terms-like-assigned-birth-promoting-controversial-Genderbread-man.html
Philip K Dick on our unreality:
is this one of those videos where someone uses language and reason to express that nothing is real, which would include him and his language and reason and the video itself?
He basically introduces the conceptual underpinnings of The Matrix movie. He believes we are constantly being reset, retested.
Yes, he does. And he uses the term “the Matrix”, and in 1977, the year when the fist Star Wars movie came out.
This is fascinating, at least for me.
Others have perceived that of which he speaks.
Gnostics explained this thousands of years ago in this reality.
We are in a Live Exercise of Exegesis.
Why for YOU, Timothy?
And then there’s the Mandela effect. Did you ever experience it?
Then there was the time I got woken up by the alarm clock and spent the usual 50 minutes getting ready for work, doing all the normal little things, tying my shoelaces, etc. I was ready to leave and had just put my hand up to open the front door, when my alarm clock went off again. Strange, I thought, and turned to go back to my bedroom, but just then my vision went blurred, though I could still hear the alarm clock ringing in my ear. Next thing I knew, I was waking up in bed again. I was bewildered and furious.
Now I had to spend another 50 minutes getting ready for work all over again! I subsequently learned that this was called a “false awakening”. One guy reported having eight false awakenings, one after the other, each one longer, until he’d got through to about some time after 3 p.m. in the afternoon, before he finally woke up properly. Nested false awakenings! Phew.
After experiencing the Mandela effect some years later, I eventually thought back to my false awakening. In my second awakening, did I wake up in the wrong day, into a slightly different world? I sometimes wonder, but I’ll never know.
It’s fascinating that he opened up some new (to me at least) potential ways of looking at the Universe and reality. That triggered the thought, “I’ll have to check out what he’s said and written a bit more deeply.”
On top of that, I’d like to know how his experiences with mind-altering substances affected his ways of experiencing and interpreting his reality.
That sort of fascinating.
I don’t recall experiencing the Mandela effect. But several times, although not recently, I have experienced sitting in the lotus position and then lifting off and having fun flying around in the sky only to wake up and put it down to being just a dream. I’m sure Freud would have had something to say about that one.
What is mysterious about self referential stuff? As above, so below. As father, as son, etc.
I guess that is how it is to be embedded in the universe in the strictest sense.
But dang, doesn’t it feel like we’re merely stuck inside and detached from this universe behemoth?
But that ain’t how it works. Not only are you pinned inside the matrix, but also you are the matrix.
🤔💭
I’ll bump this to the top, as this sub-thread is several pages back by now.
Norman said:
define religion
just my own twopennorth
a ‘theism’ or ‘theist’—a belief that forces outside one’s own ‘life force’ affect one’s day to day existence and, by definition, one’s future.
a non-theist, accepts that we are just a biological species, using the same life forces (ie, taking in energy and putting out waste products) as fish, elephants or daffodils.
Earth’s environment allows that to happen, as it has done for xxx millions of years. A Martian environment does not, (for instance) religion will not change that.
Life is what it is, praying to the sun or thor won’t affect the outcome of anything. Sacrificing virgins to appease the gods is not socially acceptable these days, and is a waste of resources anyway.
People form into groups, as do most animals. Call it social cohesion if you like. A shoal of fish do it to confuse predators. That is certainly not religion.
I belong to groups in the belief that it keeps my brain working. It isn’t a religion.–but it has worked so far.—i think. Most in my groups say the same thing, and they are much cleverer than me.
I comment on OFW because i read stuff, and respond to it for the simple reason that writing stuff down clarifies my thinking, not to annoy people. (I do it for any subject I’m unsure about)—annoying some people is a side issue. Getting annoyed is a waste of brain space. So I don’t.
We are surrounded by phenomena to which we have no answer–adding religion to the mixture doesnt provide one.
This answer wont be satisfactory Tim, because it isn’t the one you want.
Thanks, Norman.
What you did there is define “Theist” and “Non-Theist”. You didn’t actually define “Religion” or “Religious” and yet I ge the sense that you thought you had done so.
Let me help you with this. (And to helm me help you, I’ve consulted my AI friend Sage who has cobbled together the details.)
Very broadly, Religion has been defined as a mix and match of any of the following:
(1) Belief in the Transcendent: Religion typically involves belief in a transcendent or supernatural reality beyond the observable world. This may include belief in a higher power, gods, spirits, or other metaphysical entities.
(2) Rituals and Practices: Religion often incorporates specific rituals, ceremonies, worship, or spiritual practices that are performed individually or collectively. These practices may involve prayer, meditation, sacraments, sacrifices, or other symbolic actions.
(3) Sacred Texts and Teachings: Religions often have sacred texts, scriptures, or oral traditions that contain foundational teachings, moral guidelines, myths, and narratives. These texts are revered and considered authoritative sources of knowledge and wisdom.
(4) Community and Tradition: Religion often involves a sense of community and belonging. It includes the participation in gatherings, congregations, or communities where individuals engage in shared rituals, worship, and social activities.
(5) Moral and Ethical Values: Religion frequently provides a moral and ethical framework, offering guidelines and principles for ethical behavior, interpersonal relationships, and social justice. It often addresses questions of morality, purpose, and the meaning of life.
(6) Worldview and Cosmology: Religion often encompasses a comprehensive worldview that addresses fundamental questions about the nature of reality, existence, and the human condition. It may offer explanations about the origin of the universe, the purpose of life, and concepts of salvation, enlightenment, or liberation.
Looks like there’s something in there for everyone.
We could write a book-length essay exploring the details, but I’ll just touch the surface by saying that although religion typically involves belief in a transcendent or supernatural reality beyond the observable world, it need not do so. Indeed, there are belief systems that are categorized as religions but do not necessarily involve belief in a transcendent or supernatural reality beyond the observable world. These belief systems often focus on ethical or philosophical principles rather than metaphysical or supernatural concepts. Here are a few examples:
(1) Ethical or Philosophical Systems: Some belief systems, such as certain forms of Buddhism or Confucianism, are considered religions but do not emphasize belief in a transcendent deity. Instead, they focus on ethical teachings, personal development, and the pursuit of wisdom. Buddhism, for instance, emphasizes the path to enlightenment and the alleviation of suffering without positing a personal creator god.
(2) Humanistic or Secular Religions: Certain belief systems, like Humanism or Ethical Culture, are considered religions by some but don’t involve belief in the supernatural. These religions emphasize human values, social ethics, and the promotion of human well-being without the inclusion of divine or transcendent beings.
(3) Non-Theistic Religions: Some forms of religious Taoism or certain interpretations of Hinduism can be non-theistic or emphasize non-personal concepts of divinity. They may focus on philosophical teachings, moral principles, rituals, and meditation practices rather than belief in a personal god or gods.
So what I’m saying, Dear Norman, is that you are conflating religion, which encompasses a very broad range of aspects of human thought and behavior, with theism, which is a much narrower category of belief systems. And if my grandad was sitting in the pub talking this over with you, at this point, he would be saying “You’re wrong there, Norman. You’re wrong there.”
The Religious Society of Friends would be #4 and #1. Where #1 is not a belief in the transcendent but a lived experience of the transcendent.
lol tim
if you have to draw on sage
i’m out
Sage seems to know a lot more about this than you or I do Norman.
Would you rather mix and pour a couple of cubic meters of concrete by hand, or would you order it and have it delivered by one of those huge Irish tumble-drier trucks?
Would you dig a hole a couple of meters deep with a spade, or would you use a mechanical excavator?
Well, this precisely is the same thing. Sage, Google, Wikipedia and a host of other online services are tools that can multiply one’s efficiency and save endless time getting mundane and burdensome tasks done so that we can move onto the really interesting and important work of winding each other up on OFW.
well at least we have one common goal—winding up OFW’ers
Do I sense a tone of despair here on OFW?
As what David like to say “BAU tonight Baby” !
I try to stay away from despair:
My husband and I are planning to visit my daughter and family in the Boston area in September, again, briefly. Our grandson will be about 20 months old then.
I have made some gifts, too, which I might not have made, if I thought BAU would go on indefinitely, or if I thought amassing a huge estate to leave on my death was my primary goal.
I keep doing things that I enjoy–cooking meals at home, walking outside, visiting with neighbors, participating in church groups.
All of us have had the privilege of living in the time with the best availability of goods and services ever. We can give thanks for that.
Face the reality and enjoy the moments you have. Fleeting moments in the grand scheme of things in this universe (or reality or a simulation).
Always wondering why people can be so blind. Well.. it is a simulation anyway and we need to populate it with beings.
If it’s a simulation, then most people would be non-player characters (NPCs).
Sounds bleak, doesn’t it? There I was thinking everybody had a soul, a mind, and a spark of intelligence.
“If it’s a simulation, ”
AI has already made this the era of weird. The discovery 15 blinking stars around Tabby’s starh as made it the era of weird squared.
At times I wonder if we are living in a simulation and the sysop (God?) has a penchant for drama.
I suspect the oversoul is quite benign and fairly passive in the drama sense. But the demiurge/AIx/satanic exists to feed on human fears and projections……thus, if enough humans want Aliens to appear…..voila….aliens appear!
Cro- If sufficient humans want governance at god-level do we get that?
By the way, I have often thought about those similar clouds that appeared in the same place at different times in the photos you shared with me.
I haven’t come up with any precise reason why they should appear like that (if we don’t live in a simulation with a finite number of bits). But the very first time I saw them, I thought that one possibility might be that they had been produced from the chimney of a factory and they all looked the same because that’s the shape of clouds the chimney produces when belching steam.
But if there are no suitable chimneys nearby, I am stumped for an explanation.
Tim, there is no explanation. The only think that will drive you forward to the strong intention to seek the truth
I am only a human. Grammar and word error:
Tim, there is no explanation. The only thing that will drive you forward is the strong intention to seek the truth
I’m feeling a tinge of despair … cuz it’s so boring waiting for UEP to finish…
I long for the wail of sirens… round the clock.
The only saving grace is waking up to more celebrity vax injuries and deaths
Don’t get too despondent. We have the prospect of WW3 revving up next month and no turkey (the bird) next Christmas.
I am not losing hope…
BTW – I went to the UEP page yesterday to copy the Cannister video … and it was gone … I reposted it…. if you recall my post detailing the binary poison that included a quote from Tedros stating the worst of Covid was yet to come…. was also removed recently. I am the ONLY one with admin access to that site other than the engineer who coded it … and he spends his time locked in a room being fed thin crust pizza (so thin it can be slid under the door) so he’d never even think to delete comments.
Kinda odd that the only two comments deleted… point to the release of a binary pathogen….
Is this the PR Team … telling FE … he’s nailed it?
Anyhow .. let’s have another look at the Cannisters…
https://youtu.be/Z_O_Ly8REqk
“cooking meals at home, walking outside, visiting with neighbors, participating in church groups”
Gail, that’s a very modest rendition of YES!! it’s STILL BAU party time BABY!
Have you considered sampling FE’s “tons of blow” lifestyle just for the thrill before it goes extinct?
I have had the privilege of living in a time when a middle class kid could get a world class education. An education that has allowed me to see and appreciate the advances in physics, semiconductors, computers, and AI. Changes that in a previous age would have taken centuries to unfold yet now occur in just a fraction of a lifetime.
We may revert to the slow pace of the previous centuries but we will live and advance.
I like Dennis hang some hope on Starship. I also hang some hope on Elon’s 2030 thinking AI and Google’s (Dean and Hassabis) thinking AI.
“Do I sense a tone of despair here on OFW?”
but I keep seeing lots of techno-optimism.
and big faith in vaporware:
Va·por·ware
/ˈvāpərˌwer/
noun
1.
software or hardware that has been advertised but is not yet available, either because it is only a concept or because it is still being written or designed.
to the stars!
Hopefully we don’t make it to Christmas.
I feel… euphoria — just typing that!
Tucking Hoolio in https://i.postimg.cc/pV8Qk7Jn/Hoolio-head.png
Without refrigeration and air conditioning, the quality of life in Phoenix, Arizona is abysmal, especially in July.
Russia offers free grain to poor African countries. The US says do not let them make you slaves refuse the free food.
The oblivious answer is “US send us your proposal for agriculture development that is 100% local owned, operated, for the benefit of local people with no exports and no involvement of foreign corporations”. We will set aside a one square mile plot for a test where you can teach our people your proposed methods. Your staff will be confined to live in the test area only under guard. Please let us know when we may expect your proposal.
Between 170k and 345k excess deaths in Japan since the COVID mRNA experiment started in April 2021.
https://metatron.substack.com/p/investigation-of-excess-deaths-in
norm keith – explain
also can anyone explain this? it seems so bizarre… no? https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/49866 Of course nobody can … just like nobody can explain why NASA is working on a space ship that can pass through the Van Allen Belts … when we KNOW that we can simply drive around them… just a little D-tour
19yr old football player died, cause unknown.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/liberty-freshman-offensive-lineman-tajh-boyd-dies-at-19-university-officials-coaches-send-condolences/
Gotta be long covid … either that or he was a vaper
There is no doom. The Limits to Growth is not a doomer statement. It just says humans will need to switch to an energy source not fossil fuels after fossil fuel are used up. Yes, if there is vast overshoot the switch will be pain filled, but do not blame the messengers.
oil is the most energy dense, portable fuel there is
or ever will be
argue as much as you like, but that reality can’t be altered.
Life will go on. It did before 1700 and it will again after coal, oil, nat gas.
bbbbbbbbut
You make it sound like BAU Ed
And I don’t think that is what you mean
I hope not anyway
I do not mean BAU. Maybe OFW coulld morf into a whole earth catalog for post fossil fuel living.
Ed,
Or maybe, there may be imported sections referencing otherworldly trinkets, perhaps, it could say,
“Made on Mars.”
A bit of levity, Ed.
Dennis L.
I would buy a trinket made on Mars even at an outrageous price.
Humans lived before the most recent ice age. If humans can live through ice ages, climate change is not an insurmountable issue. Humans move to areas where climate is more suited to humans.
true
but the world is getting too crowded to just ”move”
thats why there’s problems on the Mexican border, the English channel and elsewhere
Too many people in total is the problem.
“Too many people”
Alternately, too small a resource base. This is something we can probably solve if we try..
ah yes keith
an inflatable world
now why didn’t i think of that??
Keith—I’ve read up on your background—and I defer to your intellect in many respects
But when we get into dodderydom (I’m 88—so not excepting myself)—do you not think there’s a risk of ”losing it”…..and saying stuff which is utter nonsense??
Keith
This is the latest article from “B”—The Honest sorcerer
https://thehonestsorcerer.medium.com/a-mirage-of-abundance-de45805fa65a
I can only suggest you read it—for a dose of reality.
Extinction solves the problem
“utter nonsense”
Might be, but it has been deeply considered for 50 years starting with people like Princeton professor O’Neill and Eric Drexler. The ideas I talk about are derived from these well known thinkers. O’Neill for example calculated that there is enough material in the asteroid belt for 2000 times the area of the Earth. If you care to know where I get most of my ideas, you might look up these people. Wiki pages about them are linked off the L5 Society page.
“suggest you read it”
Skimmed it. The assumption is that Earth is all we have. If you make that assumption, the future is bleak. If you raise your eyes and consider the rest of the solar system and the output of the sun for energy it is a different story.
Keith
Ive looked at the L5 society stuff–staggering that anyone could take it seriously. I do look up the stuff you quote—I am eternally fascinated.
i daresay there’s enough stuff in rings of Saturn to make a million Earths
“Utter nonsense”—enjoy that term —I am truly staggered at your sources for such claptrap.—why stop at this petty solar system?
Migrants are on the move right now, driven by resource shortage and mindless conflict.
But don’t worry says Keith—.–Go back to where you came from and just wait there. Ill do some fancy arithmetic and prove to you the asteroid belt carries all the resources you can ever need. ‘Calculated’ is a very dangerous word. Folks tend to think calculations deliver ‘things’.
ie the world weighs xx—the asteroid belt contains xx times 2000 of material
ergo—we can make 2000 earths—do you EVER read back over comments before you press ‘post’??
Sheesh—I’m glad i was hopeless at arithmetic—the very word used by my maths teacher.
I can’t use numbers to prove anything—never could, unless my wages depended on it.
I persevere because I’m interested in the workings of the human mind—i wonder what you’ll come up with next. More especially because I know you are conventionally intelligent.
OMG
“workings of the human mind”
I ranged into that area with a couple of peer reviewed papers.
https://www.academia.edu/37893481/Sex_Drugs_and_Cults_An_evolutionary_psychology_perspective_on_why_and_how_cult_memes_get_a_drug_like_hold_on_people_and_what_might_be_done_to_mitigate_the_effects
https://www.academia.edu/777381/Evolutionary_psychology_memes_and_the_origin_of_war
I have another relatively short paper done, but it is not on the net yet. Ask for a copy by email if you want to read
Genetic Selection for War in Prehistoric Human Populations
Authors: H. Keith Henson,* Arel Lucas Email: hkeithhenson@gmail.com,
Abstract: Behavior, including human behavior for war, is no less subject to Darwinian selection than physical traits. Behavior results from physical brain modules constructed by genes and environmental input. The environmental detection and the operation of behavioral switches leading to wars is also under evolutionary selection. War behavior in the environment of evolutionary adaption (EEA or the Stone Age) was under positive selection, but only when the alternative (starvation) was worse than war. The model is then applied in an attempt to explain the behavior difference between Chimpanzees and Bonobos with additional thoughts on the San People of Southern Africa.
Having one of those days,
Gail, you moved from MN, I moved to MN; the ice age is alive and well when MN is not in construction which is the short season.
Northfield, a city on the only hill for miles around with wind blowing off the Dakotas with ever present snow flurries.
Dennis L.
I discovered Northfield was pretty cold when I went to college there. The leaves started to change color and fall off shortly after I arrived in September, and the leaves did not come back on the trees until the end of the school year at the end of May.
I didn’t bring boots along my first year. I discovered that snow started to fall before Thanksgiving, which was the first time I was able to go home.
However, many of the radioactive elements in spent fuel have long half-lives. For example, plutonium-239 has a half-life of 24,000 years, and plutonium-240 has a half-life of 6,800 years. Because it contains these long half-lived radioactive elements, spent fuel must be isolated and controlled for thousands of years.
What is gonna happen when the grid is gone is the 4000 ponds are gonna spew their toxic payloads into the air and water is this stuff will spread around the planet… it will enter the soil – and water table …
As we can see – it does not degrade for thousands of years… it remains toxic … you drink water you eat food — it will be laced with these toxins that cause cancer.
When you die – the toxins don’t die with you – they get recycled back into the environment … and the cycle goes on … and on … and on….
The facts… are the facts. There will be no hiding from this
“But that’s not the real issue – the real issue is that transportation depends nearly 100% on oil, and that transport that really matters, freight, runs on diesel fuel and their combustion engines can’t burn anything else, and coal and natural gas are near their peaks as well, and there isn’t enough biomass to make a significant amount of diesel from biomass. The thousands of suppliers for a nuclear generator won’t be able to ship, truck, fly, or send their components by rail to the building site, the workers won’t be able to get there without cars – civilization ends when transportation stops, especially trucks.” ?
http://energyskeptic.com/about-energyskeptic/
My cousin who runs safety at a nuke plant — when I pressed him on this — said — we have installed additional diesel back up so that the plant can continue to operate … including more diesel storage tanks….
Yes yes wonderful … but what if there is no diesel?
That can’t happen.
Oh yes it can…. oh yes it will… I suspect he’d have nightmares if he believed that was inevitable (he has kids)
“ . . . it is these ocean state changes that are
1:02:28 correlated with the great disasters of the past impact can cause extinction but
1:02:35 it did so in our past only wants[once] that we can tell whereas this has happened over
1:02:40 and over and over again we have fifteen evidences times of mass extinction in the past 500 million years
1:02:48 so the implications for the implications the implications of the carbon dioxide is really dangerous if you heat your
1:02:55 planet sufficiently to cause your Arctic to melt if you cause the temperature
1:03:01 gradient between your tropics and your Arctic to be reduced you risk going back
1:03:07 to a state that produces these hydrogen sulfide pulses . . . “
Norman,
Seriously, I will put my bet on the hand of God for energy density and sped of movement.
I hear more and more such talk on Lex Fridman and also “Uncommon knowledge.”
My personal prejudice is we are along for the ride and the wiser manage to see/read the messages in the fabric of the universe first and publish them for credit. God is busy, he doesn’t have time for copyright battles.
Dennis L.
while I respect your beliefs dennis, they do sound rather like a jwitness uncle of many years past.
When I tried to point out that fossils indicated an earth xx millions of years old–he was adamant that ‘god’ put them there 6000 years ago
and literally nothing could shake his convictions.
Facts remain:
All species exist and survive by consuming biomass
biomass grows at a rate determined by sun energy input.
Thus people thrive where there is heat and food—-populations thin out the further north or south you go.
You can live at the south pole–but only so long as your store of biomass holds out. When its gone—-you die. Simple as that.
No amount of prayer will keep you alive.
Humankind seems to have come through the last million years, governed by the laws of physics.
We seem to have reached the stage of trying to ignore those laws.
Which seems to me a rather pointless exercise.
I checked out Fridman btw—2 and 3 hour videos???
I think of myself as long winded sometimes, anyone rambling on for that lentgh of time needs a script editor I think.
I give talks on my subjects—30 minutes tops.—no more.
The burden of the ageing population is the burden of the increasing number of the derailed individuals.
Before heavy fossil fuel use, people worked as long as they lived. A relatively small number of young children (generally boys) were able to go to school. The rest worked. Old people worked as long as they were able to.
Hunters and gatherers were known to leave behind those people who could not keep up with the group.
Without fossil fuels, we will have go to back drastically in the direction of everyone working.
Most humans are like dogs: They want to work; they need a job; they like to work.
Work will have to be redefined back to what it used to be: Not for cash, an hourly wage, but for survival. Work to create and repair things that humans need; work the earth; prepare food for storage (salting, drying, etc.) .
Working for cash to buy food is kind of like building a wind turbine so that you can dry clothes in a clothes dryer. Just hang the damp clothes out in the wind . . .
Work, yes. Working the polluted, depleted soil, probably not.
Very kind of you to sugar coat Extinction like this
Let’s watch a short clip from one of the dozens of Doomie Prepper shows that depict collapse as a grand adventure…
https://youtu.be/wtTmBn39hVs
I am not sugarcoating extinction.
Actually, I agree with Gail that in light of H.s.s. survival of an Ice Age or two, extinction is not what we are looking at (all bets are off in the case of nuking the Earth) but accelerated (social) evolution of our species.
Furthermore, I was responding to a comment regarding work, specifically.
The Col. has gone on Jackson’s channel. He is a good bloke and happy to mix with the people.
The discussion starts 10 mins in.
Colonel Douglas Macgregor LIVE With Jackson Hinkle – Ukraine, Africa, China
This channel aggregates MacGregor’s appearances:
https://www.youtube.com/@DouglasMacgregorFanChannel
Bookmarked!
Prof. Mearsheimer has set up a channel and he is adding some of his vids.
…. don’t forget to insert the link LOL
https://www.youtube.com/@JohnJMearsheimerOfficial2023/videos
Thanks. I will be following Prof. Mersheimer’s videos from now on.
Douglas McGregor says regarding military:
(1) You can’t hide any more. Surveillance is too good today.
(2) Ukraine has been interested in getting territory back; Russia has been interested in killing off Ukrainian soldiers, not territory. Territory is not really worth much.
(3) We have transformed Ukraine into a graveyard. Russia doesn’t want to govern Ukraine. They want to govern the part of Ukraine that has a lot of Russian.
No amount of money or supplies will fix the situation.
Macgregor is a credit to West Point. He knows military history.
The worst flu season ever is coming. (DARK WINTER)
Already started..
Australia’s bad flu season is a warning for the U.S. this year
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/australia-flu-season-warning-sign-us-this-year-rcna40123
Australia faces another record flu season – and children’s vaccination rates are alarming
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jun/26/australia-2023-flu-season-kids-kindy-influenza-children
Australia’s having an intense flu season, and it could be a signal of what’s to come in the US
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/12/health/australia-intense-flu-season-whats-coming/index.html
*The seasons start down under because of the earth’s slight tilt on its axis.
This seems to be part of the “scare the people into getting flu/covid vaccines” effort. The periodicals linked all seem to be interested in this effort.
For most healthy young people, the flu is no big deal.
The Australian article says that many of those hospitalized are under 5 years old. I didn’t think that flu had been a huge problem for the young in the past, but perhaps maybe I missed something.
“most healthy young people” doesn’t include all healthy young people, unhealthy young people and those not considered “young” so a particularly bad season is not so easily dismissed.
I am not certain what they are doing with flu shots this season. They generally gave little protection before. There was talk about making them with mRNA technology.
I have gotten flu shots pretty much every year, but after what I have seen recently, I would like to see the evidence that the flu shot actually decreases mortality.
I have never had a flu shot and am certainly not going to start now!
I have had some kind of flu twice, and supposed covid once. In all cases I was pretty sick with multiple symptoms, but in no case near death’s door. If I was, I didn’t know it. Plus, I have my own antibodies.
Flu shots make sense only for the young and healthy (18 – 50 years). Those are the individuals with the properly functioning immune system which can provide the desired response to the vaccination. Old people’s immune system is unable to respond as advertised to the flu shot. At best the response is partial and below optimal level which translates into imperfect coverage. Oftenly elder people get their inflammation cascade messed up due to flu shots and find themselves in situation where they develop subacute chronic inflammations.
norm has been made aware of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunosenescence
But he still insists on boosting … same with keith
F789 the unhealthy young – and old — they need to be culled
Cull the Weak. And the stup id
It is – if they have been Rat Juiced – their immune systems are shot
In terrain theory-speak, they’ve messed up their terrain.
In germ theory-speak, they’ve messed up their immune systems.
My neighbors across the street, all five adults are five times jabbed. Three of those adults and a ten-year-old child came down with the sniffles last week. So naturally, they all got tested, and the tests came up positive, and so they isolated for a week.
What a performance! What a charade! What a fiasco! You can’t even have a cold these days without treating it like a potential plague.
What kind of idiot gets tested for the sniffles?
Every Covidiot, that’s who.
Very nice friends are deep in anxiety about two “covid” cases in their neighborhood. What to say? Nothing.
Ich sage nichts.
I’ve got a mate who had ‘a twinge’ in the heart after shot 1… he took shot 2… hasn’t said much about it since but his partner has intimated he has … some health issues… healthy early 40s
He was mentioned severe anxiety recently … my other mates with heart issues were told it was due to anxiety… so I wonder if he’s been told he’s got anxiety and that’s the cause of whatever…
He’s just taken an extended leave of absence from work…
My point was the worst flu season. And most things will be attributed to the flu. Even if they are not.
Yes, I’ve noticed that also the Jerusalem Post seems to be interested in creating this scare.
They are trying to prepare a narrative for winter about it.
https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/article-753816
Prepping us for the release of phase two – the Killer Virus
Ya’ll know that’s what is coming … it’s the only logical ending to this…
Flu (the regular basket variety of Flu viruses) picks up on the both extremes of the age curve. Babies and toddlers as well as elders are disproportianetley affected by the flu viruses. Kids’ immune system is immature up until about 5 years and needs the next 10 years to fully constitutes itself. Normally newborns are protected by the mother’s ABs transferred via the umbilical chord but those ABs are no more active after the 6th month (and completely gone after the 1st year). Flu is viral infection so we mainly deal with it through secretion of ABs. Young children are lacking the homoral mechanism for secreting those. On the other hand the elderly immune system is not working properly due to age – the elements of the system are being produced in reduced amount and are of falling quality.
norm disagrees… so does keith .. cuz fauci
“I didn’t think that flu had been a huge problem for the young in the past,”
1918. “but this pandemic had unusually high mortality for young adults”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
Flu has a high mortality rate for everyone when doctors are prescribing 31g of aspirin per day.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/49/9/1405/301441
The cure being worse than the illness is a bit of a common theme.
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Have to say we are seeing a very much increased flu/cold, rsv and vomit flu going around down under where I live. It is hitting both va xxed and unva xxed pretty hard. Perhaps it is a sign of a population with stressed out or compromised immune systems.
It’s hitting the vaxxed much harder here — can’t count how many have said they’ve never been so sick
Signalling immune exhaustion OAS… excellent …. the ground is now fertile
Still an optimist:
Regarding disability claims.
https://wolfstreet.com/2023/08/05/ill-just-crush-the-stupid-stuff-in-the-social-media-about-disability-claims-in-reality-claims-dropped-to-20-year-low-while-people-with-a-disability-are-employed-in-record-numbers/
Personally I don’t know, in the country there is no one to hire, there are half the people living there compared to 15 years ago per church membership.
An aside: perhaps too much of a good thing is not good; perhaps vaccination is the same way as is modern medicine or modern food, or……..
Dennis L.
My impression is that Ed Dowd has been making some pretty strong statements about the number disabled from a set of related government reports, without corroborating evidence. I would look for insurance data or data from the disability part of Social Security to back up my statements before coming to the strong conclusions he comes to.
One issue with disability is the fact that there are all levels of disability. Many people have some underlying problem, but they still are able to work. To get a disability claim through, a person has to show that they are disabled enough not to work.
Another issue is that with more people working from home, a much larger share of somewhat disabled people can find jobs. Also, employers have become somewhat less choosy in who they hire when job applicants are few and far between.
So I can believe that disability claims are falling at the same time the number of people working with a disability is rising. That is what happens when people can work from home on many jobs. They don’t have to negotiate transportation to work, for example. Having to take breaks in the middle of the day becomes less of a problem, too.
Re “I would look for insurance data”
That is exactly what Ed Dowd did. He looked at data from life insurance companies. He also looked/is looking at data from corporate statistics on payouts they are having to make.
Dowd may also be looking at some sets of govt stats, but his whole shtick has been that insurance company stats don’t lie.
“In early 2021, Ed noticed a rise in reports about sudden deaths among athletes and young people across the country. ***He amassed evidence from the insurance industry,*** funeral homes, and government databases to uncover an increase in sudden deaths among working-age Americans.
Follow Dowd at https://twitter.com/DowdEdward“
But that is not the rising disability issue that is being discussed here.
I agree that most of Dowd’s work is right. This particular part looks iffy to me.
Wolf disagrees with Ed Dowd..
https://wolfstreet.com/2023/08/05/ill-just-crush-the-stupid-stuff-in-the-social-media-about-disability-claims-in-reality-claims-dropped-to-20-year-low-while-people-with-a-disability-are-employed-in-record-numbers/
Someone is wrong….
I think Dowd has also dived into disability issues via corporate stats.
This is a fascinating film about a chap who lives like an Amish, although he’s not one https://youtu.be/Ir3eJ1t13fk
That lifestyle seems to work around me, very nice, well kept homes surrounded by well kept land. The land is purchased at market prices, they are doing something right.
Dennis L.
He’s living the life of luxury compared to what Agafia has lived through.
Didn’t watch the current link, think I saw it some years back or similar. We human beings are tough birds, if the lights go out many will have a challenge, some will suck it up and go forward.
Dennis L.
Dude pulls off ticks that have been feeding on him on a regular basis and has no womans. Woman doesn’t do hard life if woman has other option. Woman like purse. Woman like AC. (Ok, let’s be real – I like AC and no ticks, too.)
Enjoyed watching it, thanks for sharing.