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Tailwinds often make jet planes fly faster than they would regularly fly. In this post, I talk about economic tailwinds that help the economy grow more quickly.
Strangely enough, the economy seems to move from tailwind to tailwind, as new resources are discovered, as population expands, and as central banks figure out new ways to fix the economy. In this post, I will describe some tailwinds affecting the economy. Many of these have recently lost their value or are likely to lose their value in the future. The long-term trend seems to be toward tailwinds becoming available to some parts of the world economy, but there may be major dips and shifts with respect to which segments of the world economy are favored.
[1] The tailwind of very low oil prices
Before 1972, the US economy had the tailwind of a good supply of oil available at very low prices. Goods could be made cheaply with oil products, and new devices, such as automobiles, could be operated very inexpensively. New technology could take hold quickly because resources, including energy resources, were easily available. For these reasons, the economy could grow very quickly, with little use of debt.
Data from the US Bureau of Economics shows that the US economy experienced an average annual growth rate of 4.8% between 1932 and 1972, which is very high by today’s standards. The same data shows that the US economy’s average annual growth rate was 2.7% for the period 1972 to 2022.
[2] The tailwind of falling interest rates and near zero interest rates
From 1981 to 2020, the world economy had a tailwind of generally falling interest rates.
On Figure 2, the top line (in red) shows 10-year interest rates. The lower line (in blue) represents interest rates of 3-month Treasuries.
In the US, many mortgage rates have tended to follow 10-year interest rates. We all know that as mortgage rates fall, homes become more affordable to buyers. As more homes become affordable to buyers, the “demand” for homes goes up. More homes are built, stimulating the economy. Similarly, buying farmland becomes more affordable. Factories become more affordable. There are more people bidding for these goods, so the selling prices tend to rise.
Figure 2 shows that short term rates have also been falling, but in a more irregular way. The fact that these rates have generally been falling has also greatly aided economic growth, since many industrial and financial loans are very short term.
It appears to me that the temporary rise in short-term interest rates between 2004 and 2006 ultimately caused the Great Recession of 2007-2009. See my academic paper, Oil Supply Limits and the Continuing Financial Crisis. Note the delayed impact of the rate rise. It is far too early to assume that the recent rise in interest rates will have no serious detrimental effects on the economy.
To try to keep the economy operating after the Great Recession, short term interest rates were brought down to close to zero for most of the time between 2008 and early 2022. These low interest rates encouraged investors to pursue new ventures that were very “iffy”– they might produce a positive return, or they might lose money. In fact, government subsidies were added, inviting investors to pursue “opportunities” that were likely to be money losers.
With this long-term tailwind of falling interest rates, capital gains were very easy to obtain. Homes became worth increased amounts, as did farms, seemingly by magic. Shares of stock tended to rise. People began to believe that there was little risk in borrowing money for questionable ventures. New high technology businesses in Silicon Valley blossomed.
In some sense, interest rates that rose in the 1960 to 1981 period (to keep the economy from racing ahead too fast) had stored up momentum that could be used in the 1981 to 2020 period.
We are now past that period of falling interest rates. In fact, we are in a new period of rising interest rates because of depleting resources, and the upward pressure these depleting resources place on inflation rates. Furthermore, a 200-year history of US interest rates shows that the recent near-zero interest rates have been an anomaly. We cannot expect interest rates to go back to the recent low level for any extended period. An interest rate of 5% or more is normal. The economy has benefitted from the temporary gift of falling interest rates, and of near zero rates, but this period is likely past.
[3] The tailwind of rising debt, relative to GDP
The fact that debt is rising, relative to GDP, is closely related to Tailwind [1] and Tailwind [2].
How much debt does it take to create one dollar of GDP? In theory, both the buyer of a product (such as a vehicle), and the various organizations involved with creating the product and shipping it to the end user, will need debt to move the process along. If the government is adding a subsidy to move the process along, this will add another layer of debt.
Figure 3 shows that prior to 1981, when oil prices were low (Figure 1), it took less than one dollar of debt to facilitate the process of creating one dollar of GDP. Oil companies were sufficiently profitable that they could use their profits to reinvest in new wells as old ones depleted. They did not need to add debt to make the process work. While products such as homes might need debt for the buyers to afford them, many other products did not. In this early period, government subsidies were much more limited than today.
After 1981, the ratio of debt to GDP steadily rose. The rise was particularly steep after 2001, when China was added to the World Trade Organization (Figure 1). As China ramped up its manufacturing, the price of oil tended to rise because more oil was needed for manufacturing and shipping the goods China made. More debt was required to import this higher-priced oil, causing at least part of the increase in the debt to GDP ratio. The dip in the debt to GDP ratio in the 2014-2019 period seems to correspond to the period of lower oil prices shown in Figure 1.
In some sense, it is strange that GDP does not consider the added debt that an economy requires in order to create the goods and services that it produces. Logically, it might make sense for GDP to measure the value of goods and services added, net of the additional debt required to make these goods and services. We can see from Figure 3 that this net approach would only work up until 1981. Since 1981, it has become necessary to add more debt than the amount of additional goods and services produced. If the interest rate is 0%, perhaps this is not a major issue, but if the interest rate rises to 5% or more, a huge amount of interest to be paid. Repaying debt with interest becomes a serious problem unless the borrower is able to find a truly profitable use for the funds.
[4] The tailwind of higher population
If population is growing, there is a need for many new things, including new schools, roads, stores, and homes. This puts pressure on GDP to grow. Figure 4 shows population growth, excluding the impact of migration.
In the 1950s and 1960, part of the reason that GDP in the More Developed parts of the world was growing rapidly was because population was growing quickly (Figure 4). This tailwind had mostly disappeared by the mid-1990s. Now, if one of the More Developed parts of the world shows population growth, it tends to be the result of increasing immigrant population.
Total world population (Figure 5) keeps rising, even though birth rates have been falling because people in less developed parts of the world have been living longer. This adds to migration pressure because there are not enough goods and services available for the increased population.
[5] The US tailwind from playing “King of the Mountain”
In March 2022, the US Federal Reserve started raising interest rates. These higher interest rates can be seen as a way to push the US$ higher relative to other currencies, especially relative to currencies of poorer countries, such as Argentina and Turkey. By pushing the dollar higher, oil and other commodities become relatively cheaper to the US, and relatively more expensive to those countries with currencies whose value is low relative to the US$. Also, the higher interest rates make the US a more attractive country for other countries to invest in.
The US move to raise interest rates higher can be viewed as a “King of the Mountain” move. High interest rates can perhaps be withstood by strong economies, but they cannot be withstood by weak economies. For example, many of the poorer countries of the world have loans from the International Monetary Fund. As the US dollar strengthens relative to local currencies, these loans become more difficult to be paid back. The fact that recent interest rates are higher also makes it harder for borrowers to repay debt with interest. Weak businesses and perhaps weak governments around the world will tend to be squeezed out.
One thing that may help the US in trying such a move is that fact that US debt has a kind of moneyness quality that the debt of other countries does not have. This occurs because the US$ is the reserve currency, which in turn is related to the US being the world’s hegemon. The question becomes: How long can the US maintain this lofty position? Other countries are likely to push back and find ways to work around the use of the US$, if it is to their disadvantage.
[6] The tailwind from the “Green Energy Will Save Us” narrative
The standard narrative about green energy saving the world from its climate change gives great opportunities for governments to subsidize wind turbines and solar panels, battery manufacturing plants, and the building of electric vehicles. These subsidies create more debt, which helps push the economy along.
The educational system is also stimulated by the “Green Energy Will Save Us” story. Educators have new courses to teach and new subjects to write academic papers about. If students are interested in studying these subjects, the US government is willing to provide debt-based funding to the prospective students. This adds another source of debt to stimulate the economy.
Of course, there is the hurdle of paying this debt back, especially if interest rates are at a new higher level. This game would not seem to be able to go on very long unless some green approach actually works. Such an approach needs to work in current devices, be low-cost to manufacture, and be affordable to customers at a price that generates taxable revenue.
[7] Over the very long run, tailwinds do seem to help the Universe grow and become more complex and more energy intense.
Eric Chaisson, in the book Cosmic Evolution: The Rise of Complexity in Nature, writes about the Universe gradually becoming more complex and having greater energy intensity. He shows images such as this one.
We don’t understand why this happens. Evolution seems to happen in every part of the Universe. Many parts of the Universe are short-lived. Each new part of the Universe varies in random ways from its predecessors. Evolution happens through the survival those that are the best adapted to their surroundings. This happens at least partly through the laws of physics. There may be some other force involved as well. Economists talk about the Invisible Hand being helpful. Those who are religious may think of the Hand of God being involved.
We know that the Earth has survived for a very long time, despite being hit by large meteors and despite major changes in climate. In fact, early humans lived through glacial periods. There are times when economies and populations fall back considerably, but somehow the world ecosystem recovers. It may even adapt in a way that allows more opportunity for growth.
Thus, even as the economy seems to be running out of today’s tailwinds, somehow there may be future tailwinds that will push the at least segments of the world economy along in a somewhat different direction. We simply don’t know for certain how things will turn out.
The feeling is almost unbearable. Your help is needed.
I got Long Covid about a month ago. I already have ME/CFS. I’m having indescribably uncomfortable sensations all over my body. My body and brain are vibrating. I feel woozy. My fatigue is bone crushing. This is like the worst ME/CFS PEM I’ve ever experienced but it won’t let up. So, my question to y’all is – is this how it’s going to be from now on? Or do you think it’s going to let up a bit? I have never felt so horrific in all of my life. And is there anything palliative I can do to make me feel better now?
https://www.reddit.com/r/covidlonghaulers/comments/18aa6es/the_feeling_is_almost_unbearable_your_help_is/
I recommend another booster… that should clear up the symptoms completely
ME/CFS = myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome
PEM = post-exertional malaise
According to CDC: “People with ME/CFS often describe this experience as a “crash,” “relapse,” or “collapse.” During PEM, any ME/CFS symptoms may get worse or first appear, including difficulty thinking, problems sleeping, sore throat, headaches, feeling dizzy, or severe tiredness.”
This is a very tricky and complex condition that the top experts don’t even know the cause of. Speculation as to possible causes includes:
1. Viral infections: Some cases of ME/CFS have been associated with viral infections, such as Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), human herpesvirus type 6 (HHV-6), and enteroviruses. It’s suggested that these infections might trigger or contribute to the development of ME/CFS in susceptible individuals.
2. Immune dysfunction: Abnormalities in the immune system have been observed in individuals with ME/CFS. It is thought that immune system dysregulation, including chronic inflammation and impaired immune response, may play a role in the development and persistence of the condition.
3. Neurological factors: ME/CFS is believed to involve dysfunction in the central nervous system. Some research suggests that there may be abnormalities in the brain structure and function, as well as alterations in the regulation of the autonomic nervous system.
4. Genetic predisposition: There may be a genetic component to ME/CFS, as some studies have indicated an increased prevalence of the condition among close relatives of affected individuals. However, specific genes or genetic markers associated with ME/CFS have not yet been definitively identified.
5. Hormonal imbalances: Hormonal disruptions, such as abnormalities in the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis, have been observed in individuals with ME/CFS. The HPA axis plays a role in regulating stress response and energy metabolism.
6. Environmental factors: Certain environmental factors, such as exposure to toxins, chemicals, or physical or psychological stressors, have been proposed as potential triggers or exacerbating factors for ME/CFS in susceptible individuals.
Note: There may have been some toxins and chemicals in the Covid jabs, or indeed, any other jabs. Indeed, it would be surprising if there weren’t any. And since these jabs are supposedly designed to “stimulate” the immune system, it isn’t surprising if such stimulation sometimes results in “disregulation” of said immune system.
In this weeks JHK blog, he notes:
“What also trickles down from on-high is the increasing dysfunction of all the systems that evolved to serve American life on-the-ground. For instance, the supply chains that stuff the gigantic merchandise marts from sea to shining sea. The trucking industry is falling apart. The industry can’t find enough workers to load the trucks. They call them “lumpers” in the trucking biz. United Parcel Service (UPS) is hurting so badly for lumpers that they now make the drivers load and unload the brown trucks and have to pay them double overtime for it. The fruit and vegetables that have to make a truck journey thousands of miles from the sunshine lands to the icy north sit rotting in the warehouses because there aren’t enough lumpers on the loading docks — in case you’ve noticed that the produce in your supermarket is looking wilty and gross.
All the systems that move stuff around this big country are wobbling. Many trucking and logistics companies went out of business in 2023, led by Convoy’s bankruptcy in October due to a “an unprecedented freight market collapse” and inability to get financing. UPS has not recovered from the big drop in shipping that followed the end of Covid lockdowns — 1.2-million packages per day in lost volume — nor adjusted to its new contract with the Teamsters Union, a 46 percent cost increase for drivers in the first year. UPS CEO Carol Tomé even took a pay cut: $19 million this year, down from $26 million (including stock packages) in 2021. Federal Express also saw a sharp drop in package deliveries and in September yanked its full-year profit guidance. The FedEx share price dropped 20 percent in one day. Consider, too, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) regulations aimed at a “zero carbon emissions” goal in 2035, legislation guaranteed to first paralyze and then kill trucking in that state, including trucks delivering into and out of California. Good luck with that.”
Perhaps that, could explain this: “UPS To Hike US Diesel Surcharges Under Adjusted Formula”
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/ups-hike-us-diesel-surcharges-under-adjusted-formula
the problem can be reduced to a one-liner
we built an economic system based on cheap surplus energy, now we are trying to keep it going on scarce expensive energy
ok—maybr 3 lines
but thats what it boils down to
I am afraid you are right.
We might be better off greatly simplifying things so that the more important economic activities can still be carried out and others are abandoned.
Call it a … ‘great simplification’?
Some time ago I read that the UK food growing and distribution system of 1960 (it was nearly all small shops, wholesalers and local warehouses) used 2.5x less diesel (per kg food) than the system we had by the year 2000 (mostly supermarkets and centralised distribution systems). However, I looked for the source of this figure on the internet and couldn’t find it.
When local farmers supplied the food, I am sure the amount of diesel needed was a whole lot less. The fewer food-miles, the better.
a hundred years ago—my local county town ringed itself with markets gardens—they carted food into town as needed, to keep the town well fed.
now of course, those market gardens have been sold as building land
genius
I have mentioned this before, La Crosse had a series of very larger greenhouses which were used to grow vegetables in winter. They were off a railroad spur and were heated with coal. La Crosse also pumped water with steam engines run by coal. My elementary school had a large coal bin under the playground, heated by coal, my highschool was heated by coal. You get the idea.
Dennis L.
I’ll object. It is our refusal to control the number of humans.
Nature will take care of reducing the number of humans. It will be cruel. We can choose to have a one child policy along with zero immigration which may reduce the suffering.
all been tried before edd
never worked
Ed,
Then the old will need to shorten their lifespans. Demographics is what gets us, no matter how hard one works, the body weakens. The old will fade away, there are not enough young to care for them and many in the west have few if any children to take an interest in them.
Dennis L.
Amazon is set to deliver 5.9 billion packages this year—more than UPS or FedEx in a big reversal
There’s a quiet changing of the guard in the delivery sector. Amazon is on track to deliver 5.9 billion packages in 2023, according to internal projections seen by the Wall Street Journal. That would surpass the 5.3 billion packages delivered from UPS and 3.3 billion from FedEx in 2022, which neither company expects to break in 2023. What started as a logistics-obsessed electronic marketplace for books has grown into the largest shipping company in the world. Fortune
Hmm…imagine that…
Plundering and destroying the planet… yet we stand in awe of their achievement
The Centre is wobbling… it cannot hold.
And don’t forget that falcon, turning and turning in the widening gyre.
I like reading this author’s posts. Still need to digest this.
As he writes, the snooty snobby intellectuals who think they understand economics do not incorporate energy into their ideology. Technology depends on energy, yet it seems economists readily assume or use technology as a “fudge factor” to accommodate their useless theories and BS “dismal science” of economics.
So far, from this article,
Big boats and technology => conquer , control, capitalism.
Small outrigger canoes and low technology => democracy.
https://open.substack.com/pub/thehonestsorcerer/p/capitalism-cannot-turn-into-anything?r=16win7&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
(The Loadstar)
“Data released last week by accountancy firm Price Bailey revealed a record 463 haulage companies have gone bankrupt in the UK over the past year.”
https://theloadstar.com/uk-sme-hauliers-hit-by-rising-costs-going-bankrupt-by-the-day/
Sounds bad for the UK. Not enough diesel for all of the vehicles.
Another Billionaire AOle…
Jeff Bezos Donates $120 Million to Fight Homelessness, Then Invests $500 Million to Make It Worse
https://www.commondreams.org/news/jeff-bezos-homeless
“The last thing Americans need is a Bezos-backed investment company further consolidating single-family homes and putting homeownership out of reach for more and more people. Housing should be a right, not a speculative commodity.”
Among the three richest people on the planet, mega-billionaire Amazon founder Jeff Bezos received some praise last week for announcing approximately $120 million in donations to a number of groups fighting the scourge of homelessness in the United States.
“It’s a privilege to support these orgs in their inspiring mission to help families regain stability,” Bezos wrote in an Instagram post touting the multiple grants to 38 individual nonprofits in 22 states. But hold your applause.
Just days after word of the charitable gifts—a minuscule drop in the bucket compared to the estimated $170 billion fortune he possesses—a Bezos-controlled company called Arrived dropped $500 million of new investment in single-family homes with a venture fund that critics warn will make the nation’s housing crisis even worse.
Yes, I see it here all the time….receive calls and flyers in the mail to sell my home and constant ads on TV too…it s#cks …there is a commercial van with the logo Turn Key..rent your first home driving around our streets…
The American dream is in the rear view mirror now…
that is how capitalism works.
unfortunately for the vast majority
I disagree…we have it that way because the system doesn’t work..
It’s broken…and it will bite these elites in the aole
What goes around, comes around..regardless of what Kulmmie thinks…he’s in his own History making fiction show
capitalism must suck in infinite amounts of capital
capital has only one source, but that is finite
the majority refuse to believe that
and think prosperity is something you vote for
They will think differently in short order…
We know what coming and it’s beyond any belief…it’s the invisible hand that will set the system reset , not the elders, not Klaus , or Santa.
We are a smug bunch here…chewing the fat back and forth as the foundation crumbles under our feet
Over on the ‘Collapse’ Reddit they think they are going to be peacefully gardening in inclusive communities where nobody gets misgendered.
It’s going to be a shock when the raiders come for them out of the shadows one night.
Mike,
Financial success correlates well with ability and willingness to use it. Those with intelligence will generally win.
“To whom much is given, much is required.” Shoot those with the talent and everyone goes down. So it has been since Biblical times and before that.
We are biology, part of the fabric of the universe, we soften the edges so as to make it hurt less.
Dennis L.
Housing should be a right, not a speculative commodity.”
Rights do not exist.
Sure the do…depends on the person and what is behind them
They are just another fairy tale.
Not in my neck of the woods..
“Rights” are only what one can take and maintain by force, or what other people choose to concede.
Not my experience. Those who attempt to maintain by force can do at best simple things. The trick is to see everyone is better off most of the time as a group.
In Viet Nam, be an office and a jerk and sometimes friendly fire was a happening.
Dennis L.
Thé biggest Czech and Slovak disco star of thé 90s Barbara Hascakova died in Florida from sudden stroke and in poverty aged 43.
https://thestoriest.com/entertainment/331157.html
Must have lived a life in the fast lane. No surprise- she probably didn’t plan to live that long.
Yep, that looks certain, gaining fame, no matter how fleeting, puts immense pressure to repeat the success and leads to some unhealthy, unwise behaviors .
Sounds like this may what happened…
PS.. Miami is one of the most expensive places to live now,
Ain’t affordable any longer…
AVOID Moving To Florida AT ALL COSTS! (14 NEW REASONS)
181,250 views · 6 days ago…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9ONQo6BmfvY
Shocker…things have rapidly changed here in a manner of years
Not many people die of strokes at 43… therefore — Vax Injury
Not many people of Czech or Slovak extraction have ever become big disco stars.
I for one honour her achievement….. with the Abba Award!
(Al Arabya)
Leaving aside for a moment: vaccines, software, AI, climate change, fridges and whatever, here we are with Bill again
“UAE, Bill Gates’ nuclear company sign deal on advanced reactors”
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/gulf/2023/12/04/UAE-Bill-Gates-nuclear-company-sign-deal-on-advanced-reactors
Billie means well…wanting to keep everyone alive and all is very noble idea to pursue..
He Says He’s Doing Good. This Author Strongly Disagrees.
In “The Bill Gates Problem,” Tim Schwab excoriates the billionaire philanthropist and his foundation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/books/review/the-bill-gates-problem-tim-schwab.html
new book, “The Bill Gates Problem,” the journalist Tim Schwab dismisses that makeover as a fanciful fable. The real Gates, according to Schwab, remains a power-hungry, narcissistic control freak, and the sprawling Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is little more than a vehicle for him to accumulate and deploy influence on a far greater scale than he could as a mere billionaire software mogul. It is profoundly undemocratic and entrenches inequality, Schwab argues. PS
Billie, say it ain’t so…
Fuel is a potential problem. Article says:
This is all a long ways off, if it can happen at all. The US is no longer a uranium producer. Processing adds another difficult step.
Thanks Gail, that is a very important aspect.
Is Tim Schwab relative of Klaus Schwab ?
If that is the case I’m sorry but I need to quote my friend Fast Eddy 😀
Actually his critics are maybe very mild, one could say: who cares? Every billionaire is like that…
https://www.weforum.org/about/klaus-schwab/
Might be..
World Economic Forum Founder: Young People Are Right to Be Angry, and They Deserve Seats at the Table
By Klaus Schwab
…….We have created a system that disproportionately rewards the happy few, underfunds social security and infrastructure, and puts at risk the health of the planet as a whole. Young people are right to be deeply concerned and angry about this, seeing it as a betrayal of their future. But we can’t let that realization stifle us. 2020 should be the year in which we start thinking and acting long-term again and make intergenerational parity the norm. But how?
……The window for action on climate change is closing at a rapid rate, and that’s just one of many problems in the system. In many societies, there is also a lack of social mobility; a problem of generational wealth accumulation; an underfunding of social security, health and infrastructure; and a backwardness in educational and training systems. The worst hit are almost invariably the young.
……Until the early 1980s, U.S. national debt rarely exceeded 40% of GDP, and at times stood as low as 30%. Then it exploded. By the end of 2019, U.S. federal debt stood at over 105% of GDP. It is burdening youth even as they struggle to repay their own student and other debt, and even as the infrastructure they inherit is increasingly crumbling and needs urgent replacing.
…The economic boom of the past 75 years came at a high price: almost all of the CO₂ “budget” the world had to avoid catastrophic warming is now used up. If we want to avoid even 2° of warming, the next generations both in the U.S. and around the world will either have to stop leading the energy-consuming lifestyle of their parents or Western peers altogether—or come up with clean alternatives in less than a decade.
…..We should move away from a narrative of production and consumption to one of sharing and caring. Young people are the best placed to lead this change. Let’s give them that opportunity.
Schwab is the founder and executive chair of the World Economic Forum
TIME’s Davos 2020 issue was produced in partnership with the World Economic Forum
Folks need to stop getting inflamed by this stuff… He knows this not possible… but he is in the club… you ain’t… when you are in the club you are asked to pretend stuff…
He’s pretending … for a good reason … it makes the MOREONS believe we are transitioning … and not genders.
Why can only Fast Eddy provide these incredible insights???? Cuz 1500HP… that’s why
It’s easy …
Commie Pope Calls for Elimination of Fossil Fuels in Historic Speech at Cop28 Conference
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/commie-pope-calls-elimination-fossil-fuels-historic-cop28/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=commie-pope-calls-elimination-fossil-fuels-historic-cop28
It’s easy …
Commie Pope Calls for Elimination of Fossil Fuels in Historic Speech at Cop28 Conference
It has worked perfectly. The ‘Collapse’ Reddit community believes our two biggest, pretty much the only, problems, are Covid and climate change.
Yes, we heard this in Italy too (the Vatican is a territory inside Italy).
My impression is that he doesn’t have the slightest idea of what is written in the speech and he probably even think that it is possible.
What surely happens is that inside the Vatican instead they know it very well that it is not possible to have modern civilization without fossil fuels.
Same as when he hosted the dancing tranny freaks… the PR Team wanted a clown show to destroy his dignity thereby DE-moralizing the Catholics (seems thousands of priests bug.gering 8 year olds hadn’t already achieved that outcome)
What amuses me … is that we have norm and keith here — we had angelo but he took his 7th Rat Juice and he’s dead…
And we pummel these two clowns with endless evidence that the Rat Juice is deadly…
And they dismiss all of it … And they take more Rat Juice…
Yet the Substackers high five each other as they read the same evidence… and insist that they are winning … that the Vaxxers are seeing this stuff and changing their minds…
Unlike norm keith – they see f789 all of this …
Get it?
so weird
BREAKING NEWS: Pilot Incapacitation – American Airlines Flight AA755 (Boeing 787) CDG-PHL, from Paris, France, to Philadelphia, PA, USA (on Nov.29, 2023) – pilot had a seizure & collapsed!
Pilot had seizure that stiffened his legs & back, jamming his feet under rudder pedals on short final approach.
The captain immediately took over flying duties and there was no loss of aircraft control.
The relief pilot who was required to be on the flight deck during landing was able to remove the unconscious pilot from the seat.
This is the 4th Pilot Incapacitation in 2 weeks!!!
Recent Pilot incapacitations or deaths:
Nov.26, 2023 – Ryanair Flight FR-3472 (LTN-RZE) from London Luton, UK to Rzeszow (Poland) – one of the pilots became incapacitated, plane diverted to Krakow and landed safely. The aircraft was awaited by an ambulance. The pilot received medical assistance.
Nov.20, 2023 – Air Transat Flight TS-186 (YYZ-PUJ) from Toronto, Canada to Punta Cana, Dominican Republic – pilot became incapacitated and was replaced by a pilot passenger
Nov.16, 2023 – Air India Pilot Death – 37 year old Air India Pilot Captain Himanil Kumar had cardiac arrest at Delhi’s Indira Gandhi International Airport during training
Oct.30, 2023 – Jet2 Flight LS-1711 (MAN-DLM) Manchester (UK) to Dalaman (Turkey) – First officer became incapacitated, pilot diverted aircraft to Budapest, landed safely
Oct.18, 2023 – Austrian Airlines Pilot Death – 43 year old Christian Zimmerebner, AUA Austrian Airlines Pilot and member of Dorfgastein mountain rescue, died suddenly on Oct.18, 2023 due to “serious illness”
Sep.24, 2023 – Austrian Airlines Flight OS-188 (STR-VIE) Stuttgart to Vienna The captain became incapacitated, first officer took control of aircraft
Sep.23, 2023 – Alaska Airlines Pilot Death – 37 year old Captain Eric McRae died suddenly in his hotel room during layover, was to fly that morning
Sep.22, 2023 – Delta Flight DL-291 (CDG-LAX) Paris to Los Angeles – Pilot became incapacitated, was taken to cabin for care, plane diverted to Minneapolis, pilot taken to hospital
Airlines Push for Lone Pilot Flights to Cut Costs Despite Safety Fears
Dozens of countries are pushing for single-pilot operations
Shifting to one pilot may happen as soon as 2027, EASA says
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-20/lone-pilots-flying-passenger-planes-solo-is-prospect-for-near-future
More lone pilots plunging themselves to the sea will occur
An AI Android will be programmed as the emergency pilot.
They probably think they have no choice because a many pilots will be retiring in droves soon.
Major airlines already have started in training support programs….have seen billboards and TV ads by United for such…..
Of course only the billionaires’ private jets will have co-pilots.
All this to spread disinformation hahaha… norm keith???
A MESSAGE FROM WHISTLEBLOWERS WIFE
The above message was put in our chat.
After a horrific week & the arrest on Sunday, the whistleblower will be appearing in the Wellington District Court on Monday (today) at 10am.
Spread this far and wide.
Whatever your politics, whatever your group preference or favourite personality, this is the time to put all of that aside and do what is right, and support this brave man.
Whatever you think about the way the information was put out, “Winston Smith” or Barry Young as he is reportedly called, needs us.
He chose to put his face on camera.
He chose to stay home rather than go to a safe house.
This was his free will choice as much as people want to point fingers.
He should be applauded for having the courage to present the data and stand up tall beside it.
If you value truth and freedom, tell your networks about this man and show him you appreciate his sacrifice by turning up when he needs you most.
The truth will set us all free.
Here’s a tough question … https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/90068
Would you rather take a vaccine shot… or service Super Snatch without protection?
norm does both ahhahahaahahaha… over and over and over … hahahahaha
When I was young and working in a nursing home (instead of servicing in the army) the worst thing I’ve seen was a young ‘inmate’ — a woman — having MS. She had a photograph on her bedside locker: Once she was a pretty, lively(?) being.
https://www.nationalmssociety.org/What-is-MS/What-Causes-MS
(What Causes MS?)
“In multiple sclerosis, the body’s own immune system attacks the central nervous system and causes damage, which slows or stops nerve transmission.”
“We do not know for certain what causes multiple sclerosis. Scientists believe that a combination of factors trigger the disease. Studies support the opinion that MS is caused when people with the right combination of genes are exposed to some trigger in the environment. Research also suggests that ethnicity and geography play a role.”
Nothing to see here.
We don’t know — but yeah, we have developed an mRNA ‘vaccine’ within record time!!! Why? Because we are experts in the field of the immune system, you know.
Do not (blindly) trust pharmacy.
Do not trust pharma lobby.
Do not (blindly) trust doctors and public health officials and institutions indoctrinated or outright bought by pharma lobby.
“We do not know for certain what causes multiple sclerosis.”
They have weaponized anti-knowledge.
MS is basically unknown in sunny climates (https://studybuff.com/what-country-has-the-highest-rate-of-multiple-sclerosis/)
If you dare ask why? you will be censored, so take your expensive medications, change to a vegetarian diet (poor in C and D vitamins) and suck the cock of the pharma.
And they tell us that vitamins are useless… hahahaha
“In multiple sclerosis, the body’s own immune system attacks?
In the last few months, there has been huge progress in treating MS. I don’t remember the details, but it looks like MS will be cured in no more than a year–along with other autoimmune diseases. There is considerable speculation that the same or a closely related mechanism causes schizophrenia.
The late Dr. Hoffa of Saskatchewan, who probably never treated a patient who he felt couldn’t be helped with mega-doses of niacin, claimed to have successfully treated cases of both multiple sclerosis and schizophrenia by administering around 3 grams a day of niacin. He was doing this half a century ago, but big medicine and big media were not interested in his results, some of which appeared in medical journals.
All I would say is, niacin is well worth a try. if you still keep hearing voices inside your head or you are still unable to get out of bed, at least it may cure your psoriasis.
Apologies for misspelling. The name is Hoffer, not Hoffa.
https://isom.ca/profile/abram-hoffer/
From some thread to which I couldn’t directly reply:
“Smart phones and cars spy on you continuously, your computer reports what you do to Microsoft and Google.”
What about all other cloud providers? E.g. cloudfoo, amazon aws?
As an illustration, on a normal Linux system:
(1) Open firefox browser with a blank start page
(2) Check for connections: ‘lsof -i’. Oops — why?
(3) Switch to offline mode.
(4) Check for connections: ‘lsof -i’. Nothing — as expected.
(5) Open any website.
(6) ‘lsof -i’ — Energy efficiency at work. No?
Browsers on ‘smart’phones are even worse, I’d say.
A world full of s..t?
Apropos:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/san-francisco-poop-map-has-been-updated-and-things-are-shtier-ever
(San Francisco ‘Poop Map’ Has Been Updated, And Things Are Sh**tier Than Ever)
[by Tyler Durden, Sunday, Dec 03, 2023 – 11:30 PM]
HIV …
https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/90059
https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/90055
Hey – doesn’t that f789 up your immune system.. like VAIDS?
Dagleish… cancer is … accelerating in boomers https://t.me/EdwardDowdReal/477
These sorts of videos… are orchestrated … as if they’d do this https://t.me/leaklive/17106
Oh no … Super Snatch should not sleep out back the dumpster!! danger
https://t.me/leaklive/17105
Recall the old lady carrying the fake busted concrete (foam) in UKEY…
Now look at this … https://t.me/leaklive/17104
Now you see the difference between fake and real
Oh and 125,000 soldiers dead in a MONTH in ukey … hahahahaahaha… you’d have to be mentally ill and re tard ed to believe such nonsense
Ukey soldiers killed in ww2… 1,650,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
hahahahahaaha
….
hahahahahahaha
Played… played again…. my dingaling … everybody sing… everybody sing about my dingaling…
So delightful!
If you watch to the end… your risk going insane…. even Fast Eddy is twitching and he’s only 2/3s through…
HE will require time with Hoolio once he finishes…
This truly does expose the ‘evil’ that controls the world… it emphasizes the reality that we are barnyard animals… we are farmed for the benefit of our masters…. and everything we know is false…
Obviously this is an inevitable outcome … kindness is weakness… and being humans… we will always trample on kindness… and ‘evil’ will prevail.
We are all capable of this behaviour … if any one of us was in a position of power… we’d do the same… cuz that’s the only way to get in such a position …
Fortunately .. the solution is at hand… Fast Eddy has informed you of your fate.
Embrace it. Welcome it…. extinction is so f789ing good. so f789ing necessary.
Try not to go mentally ill:
https://rumble.com/v3vyvzv-the-fall-of-minneapolis.html
Gold at a record $2100.
now show the inflation adjusted historic gold prices in 2023 USD.
I wonder what will happen today. Bitcoin is way up too. The November stock market rally may be over.
“Bitcoin is way up too.
Other than hype and hope for appreciation, the “market” for bit coins is the people who want to keep their assets from being reported to governments. A substantial fraction of them are criminals.
Maybe UKEY is fake too? maybe????
https://rumble.com/v3vyvzv-the-fall-of-minneapolis.html
Minneapolis used to be an area populated by people coming from Nordic countries. In recent years, the influx of people has been people of other races. The situation gets to be not too different from the problem with immigrants of other color to Europe, and the problems in Oregon with defunding the police. Things don’t work out well.
I haven’t had a chance to watch the long video yet.
It’s up there with American Moon … but far more troubling… those cops are in prison for years… for doing nothing…
But hey … the PR Team wanted this BLM thing for whatever reason … some cops got sacrificed to make it happen.
And ya’ll think the men who run the world and your ridiculous politicians who do their bidding … care about you???? All they are about … is that the farm produces…
They killed 3000 bankers in 911… cuz 911 was good for the farm … that was leveraged to secure energy for the farm…
Ya’ll are cockroaches.
Now are ya’ll getting it? Do you get it? bbccnn do not exist to enlighten you.
Fast Eddy…. exists… to enlighten you. Fast Eddy… is… The Messiah …
But don’t take that the wrong way … HE ain’t here to deliver you from evil … you are evil.. humans are evil… HE’s also here to entertain you as you are herded into the kill box… and exterminated….
For those who think stuff is not orchestrated… and that they are more than happy to sacrifice lives of the innocent…
Watch this https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/
You are a cockroach to them…
i was in two minds over reality was thinking Eddie must be right or Norm must be right but what if your both kind of right there may be some orchestration and depopulation may not be the plan the mrna could be flawed technology which would explain the deaths.
Both of them are right.
There is a depop plan in action……and humanity has vastly overstepped the bounds of the ecology of the planet via use of fossil sunlight, flawed social structures and utter greed and stupidity.
But there is a deeper reality at play. Beyond that of “illuminati” and “elites”…….beyond that of even planetary ecologies….
This is a game on every single level.
It makes the “Norms” of the world deeply uncomfortable…..but it is real.
I fear it is more a Roman Coliseum than a family game of checkers but I am not gifted enough to intuit the truth.
I suspect. that at least generally, all actions which harm the simulacrum (which virtually all :civilized” lifeways do) are not the best for the souls who participate.
Neanderthals probably went to “heaven” upon death……..Homo sapiens….???…….
The Gnostics knew
one more for the intellectuals out there:
The Mostly German Philosophers Love Song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0shWISKpNA&ab_channel=JermBoor
dig it.
and this Englishman, Frank Turner:
Glory Hallelujah!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk7tl0ciQYM&ab_channel=FrankTurner-Topic
so clap your hands together!
we’re all in this together, tonight, baby.
ah yes just 28 days until 2024.
such peace in parts of The Core.
London born Gerald Finzi, friends:
“28 days later”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8FbMY-quW4
dude, gold 2,100 BTC 41,000
you think something just broke?
or just another typical crazy du jour?
When marten pelts and pemmican become legal tender then we have arrived…..
Should I flog some gold and buy a heap of Bolivian … and head for the Gents club (rhetorical question)…
The Goat Ranch is under offer (that was quick)… we’ll need them to raise that a little .. hope to have the good news later today — if it goes … we get off this sinking festering dying carcass before the maggots finish it off… and onto another one where they recognize the value of Fast Eddy and will not tax him… cuz … HE is Great. They’ll use this in the marketing to attract the best and the brightest… The GOAT chose to move to Aussie — shouldn’t you?
https://comparegoldprices.com/
At $2040 at the moment, plus $100 premium it seems. I’ve never checked the site, don’t know if this banner is constant fearmongering or a recent addition: “Note: almost all dealers are out of inventory at this time due to extreme shortages. Pricing is provided for convenience, if available.”
Everything can break at any time. When the big wave crashes over us, I doubt we’ll know immediately that it’s happened.
Vaxxers screech… KILL HIM KILL HIM!!!
https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/what-the-whistleblower-data-1024×563.jpg
Good to see the Kiwis doing their bit FE, although it seems the whistleblower has already been arrested. Go the Kiwis for law and order!
Steve Kirsch analyses the data here: https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new
He claims “COVID vaccines have killed millions of people worldwide, an estimated 1 death per 1,000 doses on average in a standard population.”
He often claims big death nos that I can’t see how, if they’re true they’re being hidden, because official death rates don’t appear to match.
” I can’t see how, if they’re true they’re being hidden, because official death rates don’t appear to match.”
Yep. Just BS, because you can’t hide something that big.
Au contraire. It’s easy to hide big things if people are determined not to see them.
It’s amazing that you can see in your own mind what’s going on around Tabby’s Star, but you can’t see the implications of current worldwide excess death data.
Just sayin’!
https://img.ifunny.co/images/0cdc10e9414d9635e8b7973934c35ea69b6124999146dc37303cf4f988d18cc6_1.jpg
“It’s easy to hide big things ”
Do you remember back to the peak of the pandemic? There were refrigerator trucks outside many hospitals because the funeral homes could not cope with the flood of bodies. Same thing in India where the cremation fires were going night and day.
If there was a death spike of that magnitude, I can’t see how it could be hidden. Surely someone is going to notice the refrigerator trucks at the hospitals.
I am not a leader on Tabby’s Star, there is a great deal of discussion among astronomers about this star and the others in the cluster The wide consensus it that it does not have a natural cause. What amazes me is how little of it has hit the main stream media, the NZ Herold is the only one that I know has carried the story.
now astronomers have a conspiracy going
Keep on believing the bullshit keith … and keep boosting … eventually you’ll get one of the live rounds
‘I’m an Engineer’… oh great — you are a Delusional Old Goat … and norm is a NOF
We WANT you to boost… we WANT one of you to drop … so we can laugh and mock the survivor with – we told you so…
The thing is…
Even if one of you drops … the other will tell us ‘he’s old – old people die’… and you’ll keep on boosting
Boosting is the cure … for what ails both of you
keith
looks like both of us disagree with eddy
that puts us on the condemned list i’m afraid—or at the very least, he’ll ask his best friend tommy (when he’s out) to come and stand outside your house and yell at you through a megaphone.
I’ll cheer for you and Keith when you guys deathmatch FE in the Thunderdome 🙂
no problem ivan
all i’ll need is a phonebox to change in
oops–no phoneboxes now, seems i have a problem
I’ll cheer for you and Keith when you guys deathmatch FE in the Thunderdome
I’ll cheer for the rats when they are gnawing FE. Mind you they’ll probably be gnawing me by then too.
I hadn’t thought of this option … cuz these guys are old enough to me my great grandfather… of course they are not cuz otherwise I’d have the genetic makeup of a NOF … and I don’t … and I am also definitely not related to that festering Snatch who lives Out Back the Dumpster..
angelo??? are you in the house???
https://eldric.substack.com/p/chart-of-the-day-cotd-new-zealand-f14
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ANGELO!?
where did he go?
I know those trillions of spike proteins in his shoulder bypassed his mask, but really, where did he go?
angelo is serving penance Out Back the Dumpster — Super Snatch has strapped on the Kielbasa … and is smacking him with a bamboo cane…
Squeal angelo …squeal….
SOOOO WEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
do stop unleashing your personal fantasies, inadequacies —-and, er–shortcomings on the rest of us eddy
you been broadcasting on that wavelength for years now
just exposing yourself—come to think of it—-maybe that is all you can do.
that would explain a lot i think
boring — just get back on the float… you are holding up the parade…
The PR Team has pulled him off of OFW realizing the futility of trying to turn anyone … he’s off earning his pennies per post in new pastures filled with re TARDS.
norm keith … you should follow
maybe angelo got his booster… and he got a live round…
And angelo is …DOA. hahahahahaha I am laughing cuz I am assuming he dropped dead… he may not be dead but that’s what I’d do if he did… dig a hole … role his carcass in .. and let the worms feed.
I do not know too much about the leaning towers of Bologna. Why they are not as well known as the one at Pisa, I don’t know.
But the leaning tower of Pisa is something. It is perhaps the best known sight of Italy,
I have said that Leon Weckstein, a US solider sent to check whether there were German snipers in the leaning tower, told his superiors that he didn’t see any, sparing the tower from US bombing. Weckstein was one of the few soldiers in the US Army which did have a college education and could appreciate it.
50 plus years later someone asked whether he actually thought there were actually snipers in the tower, and he said, ‘probably’.
The American rednecks argued that he , by not ordering the tower to be destroyed, risked the lives of fellow soldiers.
Such kind of thought is what led the world to where it is now.
A lack of appreciation of civilization, by the US rednecks, lowlives and peoples form other backgrounds, is prevalent. They value some two legged hominoid’s life more than what civilization can bring forth, just because the hominoid can walk in two feet.
I am very appalled by such behavior. Human life is very overrated, and if they have to go to advance or at least maintain civilization, they have to go.
In Bologna on April 21, 1945, the americans took no such risks. They sent in the Poles, whose destiny is to be cannon fodder for the West. They then came in and paraded down the Via Emilia (strada Maggiore, Via Rizzoli, via Ugo Bassi) once it was clear it was safe. It was not totally safe. Two days later my uncle went hunting and found a dead Pole in a field. He alerted the Poles and was not harmed.
The irony is the Poles in average were less primitive than the American grunts on average back then.
Some Americans still defend the decision of awarding Berlin to the Soviets. I do not put any value to the average ‘American Lives”. Given the shabby treatment to veterans from Iraq, the more advanced Americans learned the lesson that those who are likely to be injured in places like Iraq are unlikely to be relevant in today’s world.
Britain’s growth outlook is ‘worst I’ve ever seen’, says Andrew Bailey. Bank of England’s forecasts indicate economy will barely grow over next two years. The Bank of England Governor raised concerns over the UK’s future prospects just days after the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) slashed its predictions for growth over the next two years. In an interview with The Chronicle in Newcastle, Mr Bailey said: “If you look at what I call the potential growth rates of the economy, there’s no doubt it’s lower than it has been in much of my working life. https://archive.ph/Yh25x
Send more money and weapons to Ukraine is the answer to the UK’s woes surely?
UKEY is as fake as Black Lives Matter https://rumble.com/v3vyvzv-the-fall-of-minneapolis.html
125,000 dead UKEY soldiers in a month hahahahaha… come the f789 on… you actually believe that?????
Financial contagion warning as HSBC is told to brace for ‘catastrophic’ £6.3billion hit. Bob Lyddon fears losses in Hong Kong and China could “blow a hole in the bank’s equity”. He branded the situation a ‘disaster’ – and warned of a “financial contagion” risk which could have a knock-on effect on Britain’s economy. HSBC earlier this month confirmed it was setting aside £910million to cover expected loan losses, including £412million related to the commercial real estate sector in China – but Mr Lyddon said the actual picture was much worse. “Forty-two percent of HSBC’s commercial property loans into China are either sub-standard or credit-impaired: £4.6billion out of £11billion. That’s a disaster.
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/1838394/financial-contagion-hsbc-china-hong-kong?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
This situation with HSBC is very worrisome.
it can’t be just hsbc….
everyone piled into the china ponze
No proof face masks ever worked against Covid, claims UKHSA boss who warns they may have even had OPPOSITE effect on spread through ‘false sense of security’. Professor Dame Jenny Harries, who now heads up the UK Health Security Agency, said the evidence that coverings reduced transmission is ‘uncertain’ because it is difficult to separate their effect from other Covid curbs.
She also told the UK’s Covid inquiry that government advice on how to make a mask using two pieces of cloth was ‘ineffective’. Studies showed at least three were needed for even a small effect on the spread of viruses, Dame Jenny said. Meanwhile, she warned advice for the public to wear masks during the pandemic may even have given people a ‘false sense of security’ that they could reduce their risk of becoming infected if they wore one while mixing with others.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12804565/No-proof-face-masks-worked-against-Covid-UKHSA-boss.html?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
We all know what the masks were. Badges of submission to the authorities.
“what the masks were”
I didn’t think that way. I was using either a mask or a powered air filter long before there was a mandate. It just seemed like a good idea.
being first to make a mistake doesn’t cut it in the merit department.
“being first to make a mistake doesn’t cut it in the merit department.”
Well, I never got Covid. About a year later the CDC decided that the main spreading mechanism was aerosol and that masks were a good idea.
But believe whatever you want.
Well, I never got Covid either.
And 80% of the old people confined to their cabins on the Diamond Princess for two months when the most deadly strain was supposedly stalking grannies and grandads never got Covid either, even when they were locked in with their spouses who got sick and occasionally died there.
Also, Covid monitoring of sewage systems is ongoing in many places. This seems to indicate that the authorities consider it to be a pathogen that can be spread by the oral faecal route.
“oral faecal route.”
If you remember back to the first SARS outbreak, there was an event in a hotel where people came down with it over several floors of a hotel in Hong Kong. The conclusion afterwards was fecal to aerosol because it spread over several floors through dried out bathroom floor traps. (That was the conclusion later.)
“It was carried to Hong Kong by a doctor, whose one-night stay in the Metropole Hotel resulted in seven other guests being infected. These guests then jumped on planes, spreading Sars around the world.”
“spread by the oral faecal route.”
That’s probably true, but I doubt it is the main route. Sewage is a very handy way to monitor the cases in an area. It can also be spread by droplets on packages, especially if they are frozen, but again, probably not the main route.
Keith, I’ve already shown you that N95 masks stop 95% of particles larger than 0.3 microns(check the makers website if you doubt that) and virus particles are 0.15 microns, so how exactly do you think your mask saved you?
Here’s a book recommended by professor Fenton(Mathematician & Professor of Risk Information Management) that will help you understand how you have been misled every step of the way and what a wonderful title.
Math Murder in Media Manufactured Madness
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZmyYEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=math+murder+in+media+manufactured+madness&source=bl&ots=W-OG-sUe8h&sig=ACfU3U1MiI2yC-TsN0YVt6eynYpxqyNC4g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiAhdC49veCAxXoXUEAHZEmBLg4ChDoAXoECAEQAQ#v=onepage&q=math%20murder%20in%20media%20manufactured%20madness&f=false
“how you have been misled every step of the way ”
Long before the CDC decided aerosols were the main route of spreading, I came to that conclusion–and bought N95 masks. So if I was wrong, I misled myself.
But a question, regardless of how good or poor masks are, do you think aerosols are the main route of the virus spreading?
I would say yes, the aerosol approach is the main way.
It’s not a question Keith, it’s a distraction. Wearing any kind of mask, apart from a professionally fitted high end, that needs filters changed every 20 minutes, with at least half an hour between each wearing(do the maths), is no more than showing dumb, unthinking compliance. There is no good scientific evidence to dispute this, but there is 100 years of evidence to back this.
Nice try though, so I’ll play.
“do you think aerosols are the main route of the virus spreading?”
I did, but no longer. High speed travel has skewed the understanding. Look at the incidence of influenza before high speed travel(British maritime records give it away) and you are left with no choice, but to accept, that the aerosol person to person tale, is just that, a tale and an extremely tall tale at that.
Have you read Math Murder yet?
Talking sense to keith … does not register… perhaps if you built a fake bbc studio and pretended to be a presenter … bring on a fake expert and have them explain how masks cannot stop covid… then post it here…
keith/norm would then accept this
Alternatively how about we show them that the box for the masks states it will not protect you from covid?
https://media.13newsnow.com/assets/CCT/images/415abc93-737d-45e9-abff-cce373b54f17/415abc93-737d-45e9-abff-cce373b54f17_1140x641.jpg
How about we just beat both of them senseless… cuz they are fools
“do you think aerosols are the main route of the virus spreading?”
“I did, but no longer. High speed travel has skewed the understanding. Look at the incidence of influenza before high speed travel(British maritime records give it away) and you are left with no choice, but to accept, that the aerosol person to person tale, is just that, a tale and an extremely tall tale at that.”
I certainly agree with you that high speed travel has made the whole human race into one pot for viruses.
But when people get off the planes, how do the viruses get to another person? I would say that the vast majority of such jumps (Covid and flu) are aerosol, with much smaller contributions by droplets on surfaces and possibly larger droplets in air.
There were two episodes that further convinced me about aerosols, that chorus practice where so many people got sick, and the Korean office where the people who got sick were down the air conditioning airflow from someone who had the virus.
One of the things I fault the CDC for is not emphasizing the importance of being outside as a way to avoid the virus.
Incidentally, I didn’t wear a mask during the worst part of the pandemic. I glued one on a 2 l soda pop bottle, sucked air through the mask with a blower used to inflate an air mattrus and ran a hose up to a face shield. Looked weird and burned batteries, but the alternative was a $700 personal air filter which had a 6 month backlog.
The thing is …
You cannot avoid viruses… there are billions of them floating around continuously … the reason people are not sick all the time depends on their immune system… and their level of health….
Maybe you could purchase a space suit with an oxygen tank … and wear that all the time .. and sleep in a bubble … I suspect that would not be very good for your immune system though … if it’s not challenged it weakens… so if you ever came out of Bubble Clown World… you’d probably soon die
Keith, before fossil fuels a sailing ship took around 3 months to get to Australia. There are plenty of maritime records that show ships 2 months into their journey had mass outbreaks of influenza and when they arrived at their destination, were informed that on the same day that the ship in the middle of the ocean came down with influenza, the workers in the port also came down with influenza.
How did that happen when the two groups were thousands of miles apart and one group had been in ocean bound quarantine for two months?
Now look up where the word influenza comes from and it’s original meaning. I think you will like the possibilities that offers 😉
“show ships 2 months into their journey had mass outbreaks of influenza”
I guess you could account for this with scurvy weakening their immune systems. But it does need some more consideration. I would expect influenza to burn through the sailors faster if there was one case on board when they left. But I am not an expert.
“How did that happen when the two groups were thousands of miles apart ”
Beats me. Happenstance?
Got any pointers to articles?
Influenza doesn’t attack the weak. It’s more common in the healthy between 20 and 40 years old. Although if it was a virus that spread as you believe and constantly changed as we’re led to believe, it would be predominant in the young and the old.
Yes, I can supply more information, but you ask to many questions, whilst never answering any, so I’ll supply you with the information when you answer my repeated question about the symptoms that distinguish covid from influenza. Remember, you said
“Influenza and Covid are totally different viruses. They are not hard to distinguish. Please don’t mix them up”
Show me , or admit that you made it up.
“Show me , or admit that you made it up.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#/media/File:EM_of_influenza_virus.jpg
This negative stained transmission electron micrograph (TEM) shows recreated 1918 influenza virions that were collected from supernatants of 1918-infected Madin-Darby Canine Kidney (MDCK) cells cultures 18 hours after infection. To separate these virions, the MDCK cells are spun down (centrifugation), and the 1918 virus in the fluid is immediately fixed for negative staining.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#/media/File:TEM_of_avian_infectious_bronchitis_virus_rotated_cropped.jpg
Do these look the same?
It would take some digging, but I could find and post the genomes of the two viruses. I assure you they are not the same.
Easy to distinguish you said. Now we need a negative stained transmission electron micrograph to even attempt to make it believable. Your full of bs.
“Easy to distinguish you said.”
The difference in our backgrounds makes communication impossible. I have been looking at electron microscope pictures of viruses since 1957, so I am familiar with the concept. You apparently have not, so showing them to you makes no impression. That’s too bad. Some people are just not up on what is common background knowledge among the people I associate with.
“You apparently have not, so showing them to you makes no impression. That’s too bad. Some people are just not up on what is common background knowledge among the people I associate with.”
Keith, you are an arrogant twat, that has no argument, so attempts to belittle as a cover for your own ignorance(stop proving Eddy correct).
Easy to distinguish, does not involve a negative stained transmission electron micrograph, it’s something that anyone can tell from symptoms. Take your head out of your arse.
Up until now, I never understood why people would block other people’s comments, so thanks for making me understand that at least. You truly are an Ordinary Man.
Please don’t waste my time anymore, Adolph the sad apologist for kiddie killing, as I won’t be replying to your idiocy again, even if by chance you stumble across something that is not “medically incorrect”.
Lastly , just to add to your confusion and to remind you that you bring no background knowledge, or any real knowledge at all, you are just an over educated, in a very narrow field, nodding dog.
” In 1894, Charles Creighton described fifteen separate historical instances where entire ships or even many ships in a naval fleet were seized by the illness far from landfall, as if they had sailed into an influenzal fog, only to discover, in some cases, upon arriving at their next port, that influenza had broken out on land at the same time. Creighton added one report from the contemporary pandemic: the merchantship “Wellington” had sailed with its small crew from London on December 19, 1891, bound for Lyttelton, New Zealand. On the 26th of March, after over three months at sea, the captain was suddenly shaken by intense febrile illness. Upon arriving at Lyttelton on April 2, “the pilot, coming on board found the captain ill in his berth, and on being told the symptoms at once said, ‘It is the influenza: I have just had it myself.
An 1857 report was so compelling that William Beveridge included it in his 1975 textbook on influenza: “The English warship Arachne was cruising off the coast of Cuba ‘without any contact with land.’ No less than 114 men out of a crew of 149 fell ill with influenza and only later was it learnt that there had been outbreaks in Cuba at the same time.”
“[Before 1918] there are records of two other major epidemics of influenza in North America during the past two centuries. The first of these occurred in 1789, the year in which George Washington was inaugurated President. The first steamboat did not cross the Atlantic until 1819, and the first steam train did not run until 1830. Thus, this outbreak occurred when man’s fastest conveyance was the galloping horse. Despite this fact, the influenza outbreak of 1789 spread with great rapidity; many times faster and many times farther than a horse could gallop.”
Here’s a first hand account of a long voyage. Despite stopping at St Helena, that was rife with influenza and nearly everyone went ashore, no one came down with influenza. How could that be so, if we are to believe the present lies?
https://lahs.archaeologyuk.org/Contrebis/Vol%2033%20Howson%20and%20Howson.pdf
Get your thick skull out of wiki and read some real history, not the selective, ignorant of history shit, that for profits produce. Then get out of your bubble and explore the real world, it’s not what you have been led to believe.
Keep in mind keith believes it is possible to power BAU with space solar…
hahahahahahahaahaha
Aren’t engineers supposed to be smart?
Looked weird and burned batteries, but the alternative was a $700 personal air filter which had a 6 month backlog.
The alternative was understanding that a virus less dangerous than flu is not worth taking any special precautions for and doing nothing, like I did.
Disease Burden of Flu | CDC
CDC estimates that flu has resulted in 9.4 million – 41 million illnesses, 100,000 – 710,000 hospitalizations and 4,900 – 52,000 deaths annually between 2010 and 2022.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_States
In the United States, the worldwide pandemic of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has resulted in 103,436,829[5] confirmed cases with 1,144,877[5] all-time deaths, the most of any country,
Even spread over two years, Covid killed ten times as many people as the worst year for flu.
How do you make a case for “a virus less dangerous than flu”?
Keith, you need to stop spreading the lie that covid killed a million people in the U.S just because known liars told you it was so.
As I’ve shown you already the WHO changed how we record deaths, from a well worked system, into a single choice no matter the circumstances. Remember “Always apply these instructions, whether they can be considered medically correct or not”.
Why would you believe something that is not medically correct?
Please don’t come back with the fraudulent tests. Let’s have a look at what the inventor of PCR and Nobel winner has to say about using PCR for diagnosis.
“I don’t think you can misuse PCR. [It is] the results; the interpretation of it. If they can find this virus in you at all — and with PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody. It starts making you believe in the sort of Buddhist notion that everything is contained in everything else. If you can amplify one single molecule up to something you can really measure, which PCR can do, then there are just very few molecules that you don’t have at least one single one of in your body. That could be thought of as a misuse: to claim that it [a PCR test] is meaningful. It tells you something about nature and what is there. To test for that one thing and say it has a special meaning is, I think, the problem. The measurement for it is not exact; it is not as good as the measurement for apples. The tests are based on things that are invisible and the results are inferred in a sense. It allows you to take a miniscule amount of anything and make it measurable and then talk about it. PCR is just a process that allows you to make a whole lot of something out of something. It doesn’t tell you that you are sick, or that the thing that you ended up with was going to hurt you or anything like that.
The PCR test doesn’t tell you that you are sick. These tests cannot detect free, infectious viruses at all.”
The makers of PCR tests had, in big red letters, at the top of their home page “not suitable as a diagnostic tool” before the rebranding, but those pages have all been deleted. There may be some archived copies if you want to search.
The evidence of fraud is overwhelming, but you refuse to see(have you put a mask over your eyes as well?).
“The evidence of fraud is overwhelming”
OK, how many people do you think died in the US from Covid-19? None?
How about India?
I don’t think fraud on that scale is possible.
How about the 1918 pandemic? Was that also fraud?
I don’t need to give you a number to show the fraud you lapped up.
“Even if it’s medically incorrect”
That’s all that’s needed for any thinking person, but you believe incorrect is correct, because you’ve been told that’s what you are commanded to believe(no thinking needed). How sad.
Even spread over two years, Covid killed ten times as many people as the worst year for flu.
Absolute rubbish.
“Even spread over two years, Covid killed ten times as many people as the worst year for flu.
Absolute rubbish.”
How do you account for the refrigerator trucks parked outside hospitals?
hahahahahaha…
You know what… I don’t know or now of anyone who has died from Covid … don’t even know someone who knows someone
But I know easily 30 people who have serious vax injuries including myocarditis and blood clots…
Funny that
But then of course almost all people who died from covid (or with covid) were 80+ and already very sick. I don’t hang with that demographic… I have no interest in playing bingo in a death home that stinks of stale urine and unchanged geriatric diapers… ger-ossss….
Given your age group Keith submission to the authorities is automatic for you anyway.
” submission to the authorities”
You don’t know much about my history. The Moon Treaty was promoted by the highest authorities at the UN and the US government and I was one of the people who was involved in defeating it. If you are curious as to why, look up the Reason article “Star Laws.”
what was wrong with a moon treaty keith?
“what was wrong with a moon treaty keith?”
https://reason.com/1982/08/01/star-laws/
I am with you on this.
We need a space bill of sentient rights.
I thought it was about making it easier to identity a mentally ill MOREON.
New Ruling Allows for Indefinite Detention of Unvaccinated at Governor’s Whim. Because of a new court ruling that just came down last week, the state of New York has just gotten one step closer to attaining the ultimate pandemic power—being able to designate certain classes of individuals as a health threat, forcibly relocating those individuals to specially designated “housing facilities” and keeping them there for as long as the government wants. They’d also have the power to control what that person does or does not do.
Yes, very concerning. Margaret and I may have to go live with out oldest son in Beijing until the storm passes.
Any commenters know of a nice house in a village in Hungary for sale?
I recommend going down in a blaze of glory … melt the barrels down.. it’s better than starving….
And be welded into your apartment?
https://www.igor-chudov.com/p/update-nz-whistleblower/comments#comment-44724646
Steve Kirsch
Writes Steve Kirsch’s newsletter
2 hrs ago
Liked by Igor Chudov
Thanks for revising your analysis
Fast Eddy
1 hr ago
Now we just need to offer Tiffany Dover a million bucks to do that interview to prove that she is not dead….
When her husband (who can be contacted at Southern Lakes Industrial https://conandaily.com/2023/11/24/dustin-dover-biography-13-things-about-higdon-alabama-man/) is contacted and turns down the $$$$ …. especially after she did a freebie on NBC…. we’ll know she’s dead.
And that would be a major coup… which would force even the most brain dead vaxxers to recalibrate and perhaps question the entire narrative…
Since the one million won’t be claimed… go for a double whammy and toss some cash towards PI to dig up some dirt… perhaps the PI could follow hubby and stake out the house… find some close relatives down on their luck and offer 100k to one or two of them to explain what’s gone on here… (anonymously of course)…
Hey keith… what is the NZ govt arresting this guy… and why are they blocking the leaked docs?
Data from the New Zealand Ministry of Health shows that the COVID vaccines have killed over 10 million worldwide
It’s finally here: record-level data showing vaccine timing and death date. There is no confusion any longer: the vaccines are unsafe and have killed, on average, around 1 person per 1,000 doses.
https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new
What conditions or illnesses are most vaccine-damaged victims dying of, FE ? And which age groups are most affected?
One of the skeptical-but-friendly experts who reviewed Steve’s data was Professor Norm Fenton, a highly-regarded British mathematician, computer scientist, and Emeritus Professor of Risk at Queen Mary University in London. Professor Fenton has analyzed the data and published several Substacks about it, the most recent one titled, “The New Zealand vaccine data: what I actually saw and analysed and what the limitations are.” After carefully outlining a variety of potential problems and possible objections about the data, Professor Fenton ultimately concluded something pretty remarkable:
If the dataset is a real, unbiased and representative subset of those vaccinated, then it is potentially one of the most important publicly available datasets for examining covid vaccine safety, despite the fundamental limitation imposed by absence of data on the unvaccinated. It provides evidence of lack of safety of the vaccine.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/lost-in-new-zealand-sunday-december
Thanks
“Lack of safety” is important!
This is nothing new, bleeding Washington didn’t work out well either and I assume he had the “best.”
We discover the universe as we go and we accept new discoveries slowly and the previous discovers are reluctant to give way to the new, read youth.
Dennis L.
Hey keith….
Over the last two days, Steve’s tweets and the M.O.A.R video started getting a lot of attention on Twitter. The video features a tearful, then-anonymous whistleblower (Barry Young) who explained he was the original Oracle database administrator who setup the government’s vaccine health system during the pandemic. As part of his job, he routinely saw the ‘line level’ patient jab data.
Young explained in the video that he became horrified watching the jab deaths mounting in the database — and being concealed by authorities — and so he finally decided to release the data to the public.
https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html
He’s destroyed his career… his life….
why keith?
A Kiwi with a conscience! Any others to be found in the land of the long white cloud?
Parallel Universe :
Steve can reveal the truth — to the A Vaxxers … https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new
And the A Vaxxers scream ‘We Told you So!!! Here is the Proof’ Then they upgrade to paid subscriptions on Steve’s SS cuz he’s their hero….
But it does not matter.
The Vaxxers do not hear them bellowing …. they see only a minor story about a lunatic at the ministry of health https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/503866/te-whatu-ora-vaccination-data-leak-a-devastating-breach-of-trust
Credit default Swaps, CDS, are a fascinating species of derivative because of their malign nature. Generally derivative risk exposure is dismissed with a notion that it’s actual exposure to loss is an infinitessimal amount of the face value, and generally this is the case with derivative agreements, but not CDS. What is being insured is the risk of going broke, the measure of which may be quite like virginity. In September 2008 after AIG ran out of collateral, the federal government took over almost 80 percent of AIG’s stock in return for an $85 billion line of credit, which was later increased to over $180 billion in other loans and investments. Gail will remember the AIG CDSs how in November Geithner, then FedNY president, undertook negotiations with the large banks owning the CDS contracts with AIG and the instruction was issued to AIG to settle these CDS contracts by paying the full face value of all the relevant bonds — $62 billion, as compared to their then market value of less than $30 billion. That’s a 50% loss in value.
hbr.org/2009/11/aig-the-secret-bailout
This is the view from the window of the jet approaching JFK banks and as it dips, in front there’s a glasswalled skyscraper …
Investment-grade CDS prices dropped 17 bps (largest monthly drop since Oct. 2022) to the low since January 2022. High yield CDS sank 122 to 402 bps, trading to lows since April 2022. JPMorgan CDS closed the month down 18 bps to the lowest price (52bps) since January 2022. Investment-grade spreads to Treasuries narrowed 25 bps to a 22-month low 1.04 percentage points. High yield spreads narrowed 67 bps to 3.70. For the most part, CDS prices are lower and spreads narrower now than when the Fed began its “tightening” cycle.
creditbubblebulletin.blogspot.com/2023/12
this is getting funnier than Molière
I know that AIG got a huge bailout. It had been the “go-go” insurance stock whose stock price was disproportionately high. It was the company that tried things other insurance companies wouldn’t dare try.
With respect to the creditbubblebulletin.blogspot.com/2023/12 link, I was wondering if there is a more specific link that will get to some more information and graphs about your quotes. I did some searching and found this link, which seems to include most of your quotes:
https://talkmarkets.com/content/global-markets/weekly-commentary-rule-of-thumb?post=421332
The low prices on CDS would seem to imply that purchasers think there is virtually no risk. This makes no sense, giving the big deficits the US and other countries are still operating under, and the amount of empty office and mall space, and the amount that housing prices could fall by.
“… there is virtually no risk. This makes no sense …”
Gail, the way I read all the perceptions of the world around me and my interpretation of markets historic behaviour
the world has never discovered to me a greater magnitude of risk than at present
there’s only one way I can see it could make sense is that those with all the money are just throwing it away because they don’t care
it doesn’t mean anything anymore
there’s no tomorrow
regarding CBB link, the site has no charts and the words were wholly my own. No quotes. It’s based on his weekly commentary for last Friday
correction: The italics were a direct quote from that commentary.
sorry
Did you see this link on Zerohedge:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/gold-spikes-record-high-over-2130-bitcoin-soars-above-40000-market-calls-powells-bluff
Sorry, didn’t see it – don’t have enough time left for ZH it just falls below the salt
The AIG payout to the banks was a major turning point in the step to risklessly selling risk
The amountof risk assumed can become unlimited once one passes the realisable value of held assets for TBTF institutions
Kinda like after the first murder all the rest are free
that’s an interesting story of the events of those CDS payouts in Harvard Business Review linked above if you can access
Since federal officials have not explained why they chose to pay in full instead of negotiating discounts, we can only speculate. One theory is that the US Treasury wanted to provide financial assistance to foreign banks suffering the fallout of the American credit crisis. These foreign banks received roughly $40 billion of the $62 billion in payouts from AIG. Perhaps this was an indirect way to achieve the US Treasury’s objective since Congress would not authorize a direct bailout of foreign banks.
There are conspiracy theories as well. Some observers point out that Stephen Friedman, the chairman of the New York Fed, is a director of Goldman Sachs. Goldman received almost $13 billion in settlement from AIG and Friedman bought 50,000 shares of Goldman shortly after the federal takeover of AIG. Goldman claims that it was fully hedged against any losses if AIG had failed, but the reliability of these hedges has been questioned by the federal auditor.
Re: The Indo-European homeland
A new multidisciplinary paper (genetics, linguistics, archaeology, ecology) suggests that the proto-Indo-European homeland may be located in the Zagros and/ or Hyrcanian (Alborz) Ice Age refugia in the South Caucasus.
A recent archaeogenetics paper argued convincingly for a south Caucasus location for PIE (IE spread to Anatolia without Steppe genes (mixed Eastern Hunter-Gatherer/ Caucasus H-G) and only with CHG and that seems to rule out the Steppe as the primary source and to suggest the Caucasus) https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abq0755 and recent linguistic papers come to a similar conclusion.
The Eastern European Steppe (southern Russia/ UKR) was then a secondary staging post for IE expansion into northern Europe and the Corded Ware Culture (Germany and surrounds) a tertiary diffusion point. Corded Ware mixed with the older and Neolithic Globular Amphora culture in Germany and so IE spread through northern Europe with a four-way EHG/ CHG/ Anatolian farmer/ Western HG hybrid. Bell Beaker was an extension of CW.
The new paper argues that language families are generally associated with Ice Age refugia and so likely also IE and as the other glacial refugia seem to be associated with other language families that leaves the Zagros and/ or Hyrcanian refugia in the south Caucasus as the likely candidates. They are anyway closest to the area. If so then they suggest one of the many and varied ancient ‘homelands’ of present-day Europeans.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-45500-w
> The time and place of origin of South Caucasian languages: insights into past human societies, ecosystems and human population genetics
This study re-examines the linguistic phylogeny of the South Caucasian linguistic family (aka the Kartvelian linguistic family) and attempts to identify its Urheimat…. The paper also discusses the importance of glacial refugia in laying the foundation for linguistic families and where Indo-European languages might have originated.
…. The actual homeland of Indo-European languages has long been a mystery. Our findings may contribute significantly to narrowing down the search area for this homeland. Linguistic and population genetic studies point towards south of the Caucasus as the inferred location4,8, 24,80. Glacial refugia, where human populations sought shelter during the last glacial period, are believed to have significantly influenced the evolution and distribution of not only genetic but also linguistic diversity72. Glacial refugia appear to have a strong impact on linguistic family level differences prior to the Copper Age in our study area. Genetic and linguistic evidence suggests that the spread of Hattic and Hurrian languages are associated with ancient Anatolians and Levantines, respectively24,81. The geography of these ancient populations are strongly associated with the refugia, specifically the Anatolian and Levantine refugia71. The current study also suggests the importance of glacial refugia. Our analyses place the Kartvelian homeland in an area that intersects the Colchis glacial refugium in the South Caucasus. If refugia truly are sources of linguistic families and Indo-European languages originated somewhere south of the Caucasus, then the homeland of Indo-European languages can be refined to the Zagros or Hyrcanian (Alborz) refugia (Supplementary Fig. S4). These refugia are geographically closest to the South Caucasus71,72. The proposition of placing the Indo-European homeland in the Zagros and/or Hyrcanian refugia sheds light on the structural relationships or prolonged contacts between Kartvelian and Indo-European languages4,8.
Very interesting Mirror.
As you know, Zagros mountains are in the north of Mesopotamia, where civilization started 🙂
Thanks to Student for the notice. Clearly I should have said ‘south of the Caucasus’ rather than ‘south Caucasus’.
Figure S4 in the supplementary materials of the paper shows the Ice Age refugia.
So we are talking about the Zagros refugium across what is now western Iran, northern Iraq and south-western Turkey or the Hyrcanian refugium around the western and southern Iranian coast of the Caspian Sea as the homeland of IE.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAV5jbdWQAA3n_1.jpg
It does make sense that CHG would have expanded from glacial refugia as that is what human populations did during the Mesolithic. Particular ancient populations are associated with particular refugia. If CHG is associated with refugia that the others are not then that leaves the Zagros and or/ Hyrcanian refugia.
And if language families are associated with refugia and IE is associated with CHG then likewise. Likewise if other language families are associated with all the other refugia then that leads to the same conclusion. Plus that is the area where they were anyway. It does add up in various ways.
This is a bit later but the distributions of the ancient populations are still largely intact.
https://armchairprehistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/A7000-BC-gene-map-s.gif
I’d like to add a very simplistic consideration, with no scientifical value.
Just an impression.
As you have probably seen by my comments, I sometime jump through tv channels on my satellite tv antenna.
You know that Kurdish people involve people from north Syria, south Turkey, south Armenia, north Iraq and north Iran.
Well, Kurdish channels (about 6 of different regions) show people with all the facial features one can find in all the great Mediterranean area, from France, Spain, Italy, Greece, including the ones from the south of mediterranean, that is Morocco, Tunisia, Lebanon, Turkey and so on.
You can see from Arab faces to European ones.
But there are no facial features like Scandinavians, Celts or blond Germans.
The variety of Kurdish people is incredible.
The impression is that from there all the others (except the ones indicated) seem to come from, because it is more complicated (from historic poin of view) to think the opposite.
From that area of Caucasus do seem to come certain features.
And on Russian channels one can find Slavs, Scandinavian, German and Baltic features of people.
It is funny to see that all the autoctonous people in the north-east of Italy (that is excluding the ones came from the south of Italy after unification of the Country, who on the contrary seem Kurdish as above indicated), that is expecially the ones from Lombardia, Veneto, Trentino Alto Adige, Friuli Venezia Giulia, are very similar to various Russian facial features.
Again in Lombardia and Piemonte one can still find some Celtic faces (the ones that one can find in Ireland and Uk) but in very limited cases, because it must be a very ancient presence (see Gallia Cisalpina, that is Lombardia, of the Roman period).
This is the area Zoroastrianism comes from, alledgedly 7000 years ago. The balance of good and evil that together form a holy circle or cycle is part of the Hermetic ideas that are the basis of so many esoteric movements today. Being part of the syncretism Gnosis at 600 CE it influenced Alchemy and science until today. Large parts of it developed in opposition to Christianity as Kyrill of Alexandria pointed out, that knowledge is unimportant as long as someone believes. The church tried to integrate these findings with the differentiation between magica diabolis and magica naturalis. If you look to atomic model it is undoubtly similar to the planetary system, fulfilling the Tabula Smaragdina as in heaven so on earth.
I allow me the opinion that it is not necessary to kill and traumatise to balance the good. I see it as a cheap excuse.
“Chinese economy in meltdown as millions default in echoes of 2008 financial crash
” … The economic challenges extend to the job market, with youth unemployment reaching a record 21.3 percent in June. Authorities have even stopped reporting this data.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/chinese-economy-in-meltdown-as-millions-default-in-echoes-of-2008-financial-crash/ar-AA1kV6vG?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEDB&cvid=92bcfbace69c42af95eb6c888cadc8ad&ei=22
Must be bad. Wonder if China will stop producing a billion tons of steel a year and most of the world’s shipping and consumer goods. Perhaps they’ll stop building the 26 nuclear power stations they have under construction.
yes now that they have been exposed by msn.com I’m sure the CCP will just break down in tears and all will quit, leaving a power vacuum and a hopeless China with nothing but certain collapse by the end of 2023.
Youth unemployment is over 20% and the number of people falling behind on payments is very high. But there is no provision for bankruptcy in China–just bans on what these people can spend money on, such as plane tickets, as I read this. The article says:
https://twitter.com/makismd/status/1730925708975980612?s=12&t=cRLXQor1eUqyRtljFzwKtg
mRNA in PREGNANCY – Fetuses are developing cancers. These may be FETAL TURBO CANCERS
Worse yet: DNA contamination, contained within Lipid Nanoparticles (LNP), may be crossing the placenta into the fetus and integrating!
Have you heard recently about fetuses developing cancer in utero?
June 16, 2021 – Sadie Sheppard got her COVID shot in second Trimester and her baby developed brain cancer and died at 2 days old.
“Anya rapidly developed a cancerous brain tumor in utero (suspected at 30/32 weeks) that progressed so rapidly and shifted my organs in such a dangerous way my cesarean was performed by over 30 doctors, surgeons and techs.”
“I got my COVID shot in the 2nd trimester and my baby developed brain cancer. I’m not sure if there are any links and my providers have stood by the fact that there are no links. But my mind can’t help but wonder”.
Her baby Anya lived 2 days and died on June 16, 2021.
We are starting to see these types of horror stories.
COVID-19 mRNA Vaccinated pregnant women are having babies that develop aggressive cancers while still in utero.
These may be Turbo Cancers, but it is too early to draw conclusions. Nevertheless, this is extremely alarming.
I will raise a very serious concern that I believe has not been raised by anyone yet:
Lipid Nanoparticles (LNPs) cross the placenta (this was known before mRNA jabs were rolled out)
When a pregnant woman is vaccinated with an mRNA Vaccine, the LNPs in her blood cross the placenta and deliver Pfizer or Moderna mRNA to the fetus which will then produce the toxic spike protein.
@Kevin_McKernan
discovered DNA Contamination in all Pfizer & Moderna COVID-19 mRNA vials, confirmed by
@P_J_Buckhaults
and
@DJSpeicher
in some of the most important sequencing work ever done.
DNA Contamination is contained within Pfizer & Moderna LNPs, in addition to the mRNA
DNA Contamination is therefore also crossing the placenta, potentially integrating into the genome of the developing fetus.
This could lead to the initiation of an aggressive cancer in utero (Fetal Turbo Cancer)
This has never been raised as a concern by anyone else.
Accordingly, I am raising the alarm today.
mRNA Vaccines must NOT be administered to any pregnant woman under any circumstance!
Well, remember that the LNPs target the ovaries, so it could potentially affect egg DNA pre-fertilization.
Any mother who is operating on norm’s level of intelligence… deserves an outcome like this… they deserve the horror that comes when the diagnosis is read to them…
One can only hope that they make the connection… sadly most won’t.
Too bad norm cannot give birth… a horrible vision of a geriatric scrawny old man with a pot belly … squatting over a pot … with a head bulging with cancer struggling to get out of the anus… then flopping about for a few minutes … finally lying dead in a puddle of bodily fluids… then I see norm towelling himself off… flushing the carcass down the toilet… and heading back to the bar for another pint.
A horror movie if there ever was one. Perhaps a prequel to the Human Centipede.
Supernatural star Mark Sheppard, 59, has SIX ‘massive’ heart attacks and is resuscitated FOUR TIMES after collapsing in his kitchen
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12820179/Supernatural-actor-Mark-Sheppard-heart-attacks-rescuscitated-hospital-Instagram.html
Joker: “Six Men”?
Is there a reason people post Z list celebrity gossip on this blog about energy?
The Fast Eddy effect. He was the camel’s nose in the tent.
It’s a doomsday blog.
Secondarily an energy blog.
Well that explains things??!!,……I thought this was a blog about metaphysics and the bounds of our perceived reality.
My bad……??!!
David, looks as if we are pretty safe until at least the 2030s for Business as usual…😜
https://phys.org/news/2023-11-hundreds-oil-gas-climate-crisis.amp
Desperate’ need
And fossil fuel expansion shows no sign of stopping.
All of the 437 new projects since 2022 have received their “final investment decision”—a key commitment where investors sanction the development and production of a new hydrocarbon field.
Once in production, they will produce oil and gas in vast quantities for years to come.
State-backed oil companies were behind 57 percent of the projects.
Some 22 percent were linked to just seven oil giants: BP, ExxonMobil, Shell, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Eni and TotalEnergies.
Qatar alone is due to host 17 percent of the total expected future production of these planned gas and oil projects, when measured in volume.
Saudi Arabia would host 13 percent, Brazil 10 percent, the United States eight percent and this year’s COP28 host, the United Arab Emirates would have six percent.
The IEA estimates that global demand for oil and gas will peak by 2030, but oil giants argue the transition to renewables is not happening fast enough to replace fossil fuels.
There is a “desperate need” for oil and gas still, said Shell CEO Wael Sawan in July.
And several European oil giants—including Shell, BP and Enel—have recently rolled back on some of their energy transition targets.
In February, BP backtracked on plans to cut its oil and gas output by 40 percent from 2019 levels by 2030, targeting a 25 percent reduction instead.
Fast Eddie will need not naw on rat until then by the goodness of farmers and their BAU abilities….and continue here until then waving his arms and predicting doom.
Once in production, they will produce oil and gas in vast quantities for years to come.
Oh sure.
24 months is long enough for me….BAU baby..to the core..
I have faith and believe..
Bau Light!
We could lose a few pounds….it would do us some good
too good to be true my bet is babylon ad world rat and long pig on the menu
It’s demographics:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/personalfinance/the-forever-labor-shortage-is-pitting-parents-and-their-childfree-coworkers-against-each-other/ar-AA1kUWfY?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=75ce0b36d7e34e4aaf89379a1d9af26e&ei=15
A crude summary, DINKS want/need money of two incomes and no children, but we can only biologically invest in children who contrary to sixties theories on education must be taught useful skills which have value to the community. Amish do this well, children don’t drive cars, but drive horses from say 12 years of age.
It is not only stuff, there is more than enough of that, it is biology which makes economics. AI may be changing that, what will we do when there is enough? I don’t have a clue, but we are discovering the fabric of the universe, earth based minerals got us this far, it is our job to move to the next plateau.
How we handle the children issue is a concern, children are the future and they are being treated badly, e.g. higher education with its insane debt; kids are just quitting which will end entitlement programs. What will happen when a DINK wants the income of someone else’s child in whom those parents invested substantial parts of their lives?
Film at eleven,
Dennis L.
“children don’t drive cars, but drive horses”
So the Amish are breeding horses with steering wheels. You learn something new every day.
‘Driving horses’ is the term used when horses are pulling wagons or coaches. Not as clever as you think you are, are you?
Shut up, Withnail-in-the-head. Go and watch some videos recorded from satellites.
There are no such videos because there are no satellites capable of taking video and never will be. There are many reasons for this including the extreme speed of the satellites relative to the earth’s surface.
I’m whizzing through space at extreme speed, but I can still take videos. As can the astronauts out in space.
an astronaut could take a video of the earth with, say, a mobile phone, from the space station porthole. But that’s not like a zoomed in high resolution satellite photo of the earth’s surface which you were presumably referring to.
“no satellites capable of taking video”
Is the ISS a satellite? There are lots of videos taken out the windows. Have you ever heard of spy satellites?
“extreme speed of the satellites relative to the earth’s surface”
It takes about 90 minutes for a LEO satellite to complete an orbit. They are going fast, about 7.5 km/s, but it’s a big planet.
you gotta be having a laff keith???
////that there was no suitable real estate on planetary surfaces in the solar system and proposed spinning cylinders. /////
That takes your reasoning beyond weird keith.
Stick to the science scrabble bag—you’ll get more sense out of it.
“no suitable real estate on planetary surfaces”
Other than Earth which is already occupied.
But if you disagree on this point, what planetary surface (in the solar system) do you think humans could live on? (Besides Earth).
“and proposed spinning cylinders”
Physics Today, Sept 1974. This was the goal that drove the space colony movement, see the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L5_Society, and is the goal of the National Space Society to this day.
BTW, O’Neill is a pioneer in the high energy physics world. He originated storage rings at Stanford. The big accelerator at CERN is a direct descendant of his work.
keith
///But if you disagree on this point, what planetary surface (in the solar system) do you think humans could live on? (Besides Earth).///
answering such a daft question gives credibility to the question itself—it has none, and does not merit an answer.
spinning cylinders—ive seen this nonsense before–it may be been you who brought it up a while ago
that is one of those silliness ideas emanating from a calculator. (been trying to warn you about those things).
you calculate the size of the object relative to the rotative force necessary to give human a correct force of gravity
great
calculation done—ergo… constriction and life/existence there is possible.
you publishe a paper on it—and it becomes even more ‘real’ to the ”scientific community”—everyone who doesnt accept it must be really stupid—obviously a non-scientist.
i think i recall some similar rubbish about space elevators somewhere.
remind me keith
As i keep pointing out—the only way we have of getting off earth is chemical combustion—and the Chinese figured that out 1000 years ago.
“rubbish about space elevators somewhere.
remind me keith”
I have written SF about a space elevator,https://htyp.org/UpLift
Unfortunately, we don’t have any material strong enough and light enough for the cable and are not likely to get any this side of the singularity, and probably not then. The problem is that molecular bonds are not strong enough.
However, an elevator off the moon through L1 and hanging down into the Earth’s gravity well does look feasible. There are a couple of commercial fibers that are strong enough.
keith
for the sake of the sanity of other ofw inmates, i looked up ”singularity”
/////A singularity in physics is a point that has an infinite value. As an infinite quantity cannot occur in our understanding of Nature, singularities are not considered real by scientists. Instead, when theories predict a singularity, scientists take it to mean that the theory has been extended beyond its applicability. A new scientific theory is needed to describe the behavior of the physical universe in this area………..///////
it says keith—”not considered real by scientists”
dump the calculator.—it’s doing you no good at all
“A singularity in physics is”
Wrong singularity. This one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
“The technological singularity—or simply the singularity[1]—is a hypothetical future point in time at which technological growth becomes uncontrollable and irreversible, resulting in unforeseeable consequences for human civilization.”
. . .
“The concept and the term “singularity” were popularized by Vernor Vinge first in 1983 in an article that claimed that once humans create intelligences greater than their own, there will be a technological and social transition similar in some sense to “the knotted space-time at the center of a black hole”,[8] and later in his 1993 essay The Coming Technological Singularity,[4][7] in which he wrote that it would signal the end of the human era, as the new superintelligence would continue to upgrade itself and would advance technologically at an incomprehensible rate. He wrote that he would be surprised if it occurred before 2005 or after 2030.[4] Another significant contributor to wider circulation of the notion was Ray Kurzweil’s 2005 book The Singularity Is Near, predicting singularity by 2045.[7]
In the last year, Kurzweil moved his estimate closer to 2030.
I know both of them, but have not talked to Ray or Vernor for a few years.
I can’t imagine low cost energy being a problem after this time.
i think we can deal with that very easily keith
infinite technological growth requires infinite energy
i need say no more than that
“infinite technological growth requires infinite energy”
We are a long way from soaking up the energy of the Sun. But if what we are seeing at Tabby’s Star is aliens, they are not close to using all the energy from their star either. A dyson patch that large intercepts about 1.4 million times all the energy humans use. Why it is not larger is a good question, one idea is that the sized is as large as they can make it and still communicate without too much delay.
They could intercept a lot more energy, but they are not doing so.
keith
your replies are getting more disjointed with each exchange
i’m not trying to be facetious like i do with eddy—you have a different problem
i can only suggest you read back through the stuff you’ve written
Geriatric Cage Match!!!
norm the NOF vs keith the DelusiSTANI…
8pm Friday NZ standard time …
Buy tickets https://www.ticketmaster.co.nz/artist/geriatriccagematch
keith – norm can deadlift 12 lbs so he has an advantage… I’ll slip you a box cutter when nobody is looking
“no satellites capable of taking video”
Is the ISS a satellite? There are lots of videos taken out the windows. Have you ever heard of spy satellites?
Try rereading my comment. Here, I’ll post it for you.
an astronaut could take a video of the earth with, say, a mobile phone, from the space station porthole. But that’s not like a zoomed in high resolution satellite photo of the earth’s surface which you were presumably referring to.
They are going fast, about 7.5 km/s, but it’s a big planet.
Right. You can’t take a zoomed in high resolution video of something on the earth’s surface when you’re moving at 7.5 kilometres a second relative to it. And there are many other reasons why specifically satellites can’t do it.
If both Keith and Zemi are against me, that convinces me, if I even had any doubt, that I’m right.
“You can’t take a zoomed in high resolution video of something on the earth’s surface when you’re moving at 7.5 kilometres a second ”
I am fairly sure you have seen high resolution still pictures taken by satellite. If you take a lot of them, say 24 per second, that’s video.
I don’t understand why you insist on this. Even if it were true, what difference does it make?
I am fairly sure you have seen high resolution still pictures taken by satellite. If you take a lot of them, say 24 per second, that’s video.
Yes, that’s what you can’t do with a satellite moving at 7.5 kilometres per second relative to what you’re attempting to film. Among many other reasons why it can’t be done.
I know that both you and Zemi live in a fantasy world where what you imagine is not only possible but already happening, so let’s just leave it there.
If this was not a simulation then as the Earth spins… surely everything on it would be flung into space… like a centrifuge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEXWd3_fM94
For other latitudes the speed is:
10 degrees: 1,021.7837 mph (1,644.4 km/h)
20 degrees: 974.9747 mph (1,569.1 km/h)
30 degrees: 898.54154 mph (1,446.1 km/h)
40 degrees: 794.80665 mph (1,279.1 km/h)
50 degrees: 666.92197 mph (1,073.3 km/h)
60 degrees: 518.7732 mph (834.9 km/h)
70 degrees: 354.86177 mph (571.1 km/h)
80 degrees: 180.16804 mph (289.95 km/h)
Whitnail, have you ever heard about geostationary orbit? It means that the speed of the satellite relative to the earth’s surface is… Zéro.
Whitnail, have you ever heard about geostationary orbit? It means that the speed of the satellite relative to the earth’s surface is… Zéro.
Sigh. Do you know how far a satellite has to be from earth to be in a geostationary orbit? Dunning Kruger strikes again.
about 36,000 km. I didn’t mean to imply that they could take images with great precision. I just wanted to make sure everyone understood that the speed of 7.5 km/s is only a special case and doesn’t apply to all satellites, as you seemed to be saying.
I just wanted to make sure everyone understood that the speed of 7.5 km/s is only a special case and doesn’t apply to all satellites, as you seemed to be saying.
it applies to the kind of satellites that take precision images of the earth’s surface which is the kind of satellites we were obviously talking about.
Even Keith didn’t bring up geo stationary satellites.
It’s all just a simulation anyway … same as why we don’t fly off the Earth even though we are spinning at over 1000mph…. the simulation makes up the rules… if you hop on a merry go round that can spin 200mph you get flung into the parking lot and smash your brains in … cuz that rule… but the rule for spinning on the Earth is different.
Don’t ask too many questions… there is no logic.. sometimes the rules do not make sense
And be sure not to ask how the universe started (if there even is a universe… chances are we exist in the toilet bowl of the creator of the simulation and we believe it’s the ocean)
This is the dilemma my 19 yr old daughter faces. How do you tell her to bust her ass, study hard, and sacrifice in the hopes that she will be able to have a decent life when the “social contract” has so clearly been broken? It’s easy for us “bootstrappers” (the baby boomers to claim that we did it by working hard, pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps and overcoming adversity) when the perceived gain back then could be more predictably realized.
Today, with the advancing socialism and the redistribution of wealth by the politicians in exchange for votes (no voter refuses a free lunch) and super concentration of wealth by the elite corporations that shuts out middle class America, there is no hope, and thus little incentive for today’s youth. So on one hand people (especially we boomers /self congradulatory bootstrappers) may claim that Zoomers and Millenials are lazy, shiftless and expect the world to be handed to them on a silver platter, on the other hand, Zoomers and Millenials must be absolutely devastated mentally by their prospects.
As people’s standards of living decline, the liberal politicians might benefit in the short term from voters needing to vote for more free lunches, i.e., voting themselves into dependency and being controlled, but after a while, when politicians can no longer provide these free lunches because the government, drowning in debt, can no longer print enough dollars to pay, “Democracy” suddenly goes poof, and the pure fascist/corporate controlled/ totalitarian regime that has been lurking behind this “free shit” government is unmasked. Then there will be real trouble.
all the points you make are valid hubbs
but you ignore the most important one
we of a certain age we handed vast quantities of cheap surplus emnergy—thats where your ”lifestyle” came from (and mine)
i now fear for the future of my grands and in particular, great grandkids.
Ay 69, I have benefited (or should have) from the tail winds at full sail from being born in the US suburbia in the 50’s with cheap accessible energy, abundance of minerals, rich farmland, post WWII boom economy, missing the VietNam War as it was winding down, affordable health care, the best education money could buy at the time, no debt, etc. But the lawyers and legal system managed to wreck it for me. Having said that, I am also quite the hypocrit in view of these acknowledgemnents of my priviledged upbringing, both parents having been docotrs, elite prep schools and college, med school, graduating from all with no debt. But I call them as I see them. I would hate to have to face what these Zers and Millenials have coming down the line. As long as my daughter works in good faith and doesn’t squander opprotunities, I have no problem trying to give even half of what I enjoyed at her age, and at a minimum staying out of debt.
nothing to with lawyers
i/you burned all the cheap oil
which is where our security went—and that of our kids
He was speaking personally Norm
I understand exactly what he means.
Lawyers are scum of this reality
So on one hand people (especially we boomers /self congradulatory bootstrappers) may claim that Zoomers and Millenials are lazy, shiftless and expect the world to be handed to them on a silver platter, on the other hand, Zoomers and Millenials must be absolutely devastated mentally by their prospects.
Aren’t you forgetting Generation X? Whatever. Like we care.
In a time, when most certificates will be valid zero and most knowledge including digital databases and books will be lost, the most valuable asset is, what you can do.
If she studies to become a lawyer specialized in taxation – that knowledge might be lost. But not the mathmatical backgrounds. If she studies medicine, she might take a focus in history of medicine or medicine in third world countries or pharmacology and plants. If she studies to become a teacher – dont just follow the book. If she studies to become an architect, dont rely on concrete only.
If she wants to take a huge credit and buy a large car and house and look like Kim Kardashian and thinks to have a right on it – perhaps it would be a good idea to cry some hours and let go the idea or enjoy as long as possible.
We have never been promised eternal life on earth and less to become a clone of Kim Kardashian. We have only been promised eternal life in heaven!
After BAU it will be hard to get up the brats. That might be worth some thoughts, too.
I have said a few times that only the top 0.1%-1% will enjoy the future lifestyle, about 5% of the remainder will eke out a living serving them, and the rest kind of driven out from existence because they lack the resources and skills and intelligence.
It will be a totalitarian, controlled society with every resource spent by rank.
Unfortunately, the Hordes rose up, because there were some people who alerted the Hordes that if the current progress continued there would be no place for the Hordes.
Next year will see the Hordes ending any chance of entering a new civilization. There will be sporadic advances here and there but these will be as futile as Grouchy’s victory at Wavre (not too many people do know that he did win the only battle he commanded, which is why he was not treated that badly by the Bourbons).
‘Leaning tower’ in Italy on ‘high alert’ for collapse
CNN
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It’s the ‘leaning tower’ that has stood tipsily – but steadily – for nearly 1,000 years. But now, the days of the Garisenda tower in Bologna, Italy, could be numbered. Following investigations last month, the city is instigating a civil protection plan for the “sudden and unexpected collapse of the tower,” which has dominated the Bologna skyline since the 12th century.
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/bologna-garisenda-leaning-tower-collapse/index.html
the “sudden and unexpected collapse of the tower”
Own up – just who vaccinated it?
Why do we always want “MORE”?
““Perhaps when we find ourselves wanting everything, it is because we are dangerously close to wanting nothing.” ― sylvia plath
David Whelan discusses the murder of John Lennon, and why the official story just does not add up.
Imagine that John Lennon
Isn’t really dead
Imagine that wasn’t killed
He’s still alive instead
Imagine all that that implies
Run it through your head
Imagine no assassin
I wonder if you can?
Yoko never remarried
’cause Yoko never can
Imagine John impersonating
A John impersonating man!
You may say that I’m a dingbat
But I’m not the only one
I hope some day you’ll join us
Watching the movie “Let Him Be” for fun.
here we go! The first foreign troops on their way to Gaza
farsnews.ir/en/news/14020912000181/Yemeni-Recris-Sage-Parade-in-Sana%E2%80%99a-Befre-Jining-Hamas-in-Gaza-War
the ones in the photo accompanying the story don’t appear the “new military recruits, armed with rifles and waving Yemeni as well as Palestinian flags” , but rather old soldiers, unarmed and without any flags …
lyin’ eyes
We will see. Countries are awfully poor, these days.
Since the towers of my hometown were a topic here a few days back, one of the Two Towers, symbol of the city, is not far from collapse. Ground motion has been larger in the last few years due to extreme drought followed by extreme precipitation. It survived the 1373 7.3 earthquake.
For me this is a moment of sadness. Of course many other taller towers in the city fell long before I was born. But this at a time when Bologna is no longer inhabited by Bolognese who fled to the suburbs. It absorbed many immigration waves, including Chinese in 1949-1950, and in the 1990s. Long before that, many peoples along the Silk Road came and stayed and were absorbed peacefully. I heard proper dialect in the city streets from a Chinese woman in 2012. But the wave from total aliens, in the face of economic decline and corrupt political class and a national and local level, has been too much. What the Black Death, domination by the Church for 150 years, or the fall of the Roman Empire, could not do the globalists did.
The unique ability to welcome strangers came from its history of long warfare at the point of contact of several Celtic tribes and the Etruscans. Once peace broke out, a multicultural philosophy prevailed that lasted 3000 years. The Jews were kicked out three times, first time in 1171 and last time in 1836.
The local world view was easily dominated by Etruscan culture, very positive about life, and of course by widespread tolerance. It started many successful companies and attracted a lot of internal immigration, even from other parts of the North. It had year after year the highest standards of living in Italy, thanks in no small part to the Italian Communist Party which successfully adopted a Stalinist mixed economic model. It was the most civilized place I have ever lived in and a culture well worth preserving.
https://www.rt.com/news/588405-bologna-leaning-tower-collapse-alert/
Things have to run their course; everything and everyone just follows their own programs, and therefore it couldn’t be any other way. That’s what I find myself thinking more often and it also helps me detach from the outcome.
As an Italian, son of Italians from different Regions and as a person who works with all the Italian Regions (and not only), I can tell you that people in Emilia-Romagna is indeed the best people to do business with in Italy.
As you probably know, Italy is made of many internal Countries (which are actually Regions) and from way of living, culture, fair behaviour and good business, Emilia-Romagna is number 1.
There are also other nice Regions in Italy, but they are far more complicated to live in and to have relationships with.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301019611/legal-action-taken-against-te-whatu-ora-employee-accused-of-misusing-data-to-spread-misinformation
Stuff understands the alleged misinformation centred around the number of vaccine-related deaths.
In New Zealand, there have been four deaths linked to the Covid-19 vaccination since it was rolled out.
Liz Gunn makes an emergency appeal.
https://zeeemedia.com/interview/emergency-update-nz-whistleblower-raided-by-police/