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It is now popular to talk about leaving fossil fuels to prevent climate change. Pretty much the same result occurs if we run short of fossil fuels: We lose fossil fuels, but it is because we cannot extract them. Practically no one tells us about the extent to which the current system depends upon fossil fuels, however.
The economy is extraordinarily dependent on fossil fuels. If there are not enough fossil fuels to go around, there is likely to be fighting over what is available. Some countries are likely to get far more than their fair share, while the rest of the world’s population will be left with very little or no fossil fuels.
If losing fossil fuels completely, or nearly completely, is a risk for some of the world’s population, it might be useful to think through some of the things that go wrong. The following are some of my ideas about things that change, mostly for the worse, in a fossil fuel-deprived economy.
[1] Banks, as we know them, will likely fail.
Before banks fail in areas with virtually no fossil fuels, my guess is that we will generally see hyperinflation. Governments will greatly increase the money supply in a vain attempt to get people to believe that more goods and services are being produced. This approach will be used because people equate having more money with the ability to buy more goods and services. Unfortunately, without fossil fuels it will be very difficult to produce very many goods.
More money will simply provide more inflation because it takes physical resources, including the proper types of energy, to operate machinery of all kinds to make goods. Creating services also requires fossil fuel energy, but generally, to a lesser extent than creating goods. For example, the pair of scissors used in cutting hair is made using fossil fuel energy. The person cutting hair needs to be paid; his or her pay needs to be high enough to cover energy-related costs such as buying and cooking food to eat. The shop where hair cutting is operated will also need to pay for the fossil fuel energy required for heat and light, assuming such energy is even available.
Banks will fail because too large a share of debts cannot be repaid with interest. Part of the problem will be that while wages will rise, the prices of goods and services will rise even faster, making goods unaffordable. Another part of the problem is that service economies, such as those of the US and eurozone, will be disproportionately affected by a declining economy. In such an economy, people will get their hair cut less often. Instead, they will spend their money on essentials, including food, water, and cooking supplies. Service-providing businesses, such as hair salons and restaurants, will fail for lack of customers, leading to defaults on their debts.
[2] Today’s governments will fail.
With failing banks, today’s governments will also fail. Partly, they will fail because of attempts to bail out banks. Another problem will be declining tax revenue because fewer goods and services are produced. Pension programs will become increasingly difficult to fund. All these issues will lead to increasingly divisive politics. In some cases, central governments may dissolve, leaving states and other smaller units, such as today’s provinces, to continue on their own.
Intergovernmental organizations, such as the United Nations and NATO, will find their voices becoming less and less heeded before they fail. Getting sufficient funding from member states will become an increasing problem.
Dictatorships ruled by leaders who wield absolute power and aristocracies ruled by leaders with hereditary rights are the types of governments with the least energy requirements. These are likely to become more common without fossil fuels.
[3] Nearly all of today’s businesses will fail.
Fossil fuels are essential for all kinds of businesses. They are used in the extraction of raw materials and in the transportation of goods. We use fossil fuels to pave roads and to build nearly all of today’s buildings. Without fossil fuels, even simple repairs of existing infrastructure become impossible. Without adequate fossil fuels, international companies are especially at risk of breaking into smaller units. They will find it impossible to operate in parts of the world with virtually no fossil fuel supply.
Fossil fuels are even used in making solar panels, wind turbines, and replacement parts for electric vehicles. Talking about solar and wind as “renewables” is to a significant extent misleading. At best, they can be described as fossil fuel “extenders.” They might help a problem of a slightly low fossil fuel supply, but they are far from adequate substitutes.
[4] Grid electricity and the internet will disappear.
Fossil fuels are important for maintaining the electrical transmission system. For example, restoring downed power lines after storms requires fossil fuels. Hooking up solar panels or wind turbines to the electric grid requires fossil fuels. Home solar panel systems may operate until their inverters fail. Once their inverters fail, their usefulness will be greatly degraded. Fossil fuels are needed to manufacture new inverters.
Fossil fuels are also important for maintaining every part of the internet system. Furthermore, without grid electricity, it becomes impossible to use computers to connect to the internet.
[5] International trade will be scaled back greatly.
At this time of year, many of us remember the story of the three kings from the East coming to visit the baby Jesus with precious gifts. We also remember stories in the Bible of Paul traveling to distant countries. From these and many other examples, we know that international trade and travel can continue without fossil fuels.
The problem is that without fossil fuels, some parts of the world will have very little to offer in return for goods made with fossil fuels. Countries with fossil fuels will quickly figure out that government debt from countries without fossil fuels doesn’t really mean much when it comes to paying for goods and services. As a result, trade will be scaled back to match available exports. Exports of goods will likely be very limited for parts of the world operating without fossil fuels.
[6] Agriculture will become much less efficient.
Today’s agriculture has been made unbelievably efficient using large mechanical equipment, generally powered by diesel, together with a huge number of chemicals, including herbicides, insecticides, and fertilizers. In addition, fences and netting made with fossil fuels are used to keep out unwanted animal pests. In some cases, greenhouses are used to provide a controlled climate for plants. Using fossil fuels, specialized hybrid seeds are developed that emphasize characteristics that farmers consider desirable. All these “helps” will tend to disappear.
Without these helps, agriculture will become much less efficient. Figure 1 shows that even with the small cutback in fossil fuel use in 2020, the share of employment provided by agriculture rose.
Employment in agriculture is essential. These workers did not get laid off, even as workers in tourism and workers making fancy clothes lost their jobs, so agricultural jobs as a share of total employment rose.
[7] Future labor needs are likely to be disproportionately in the agricultural sector.
People need to eat. Even if the economy is operating in a very inefficient manner, people will need food. The share of people in agriculture (including hunting and gathering) can be expected to rise considerably.
Some people hope that a shift to the use of permaculture will solve the problem of the dependence of agriculture on fossil fuels. I see permaculture as mostly a fossil-fuel extender, rather than a solution for getting along without fossil fuels, because it assumes the use of many fossil fuel-based devices, such as modern fences and today’s tools. Also, at best, permaculture only partly solves the inefficiency problem because it requires a huge amount of hands-on labor.
Today, there is a wide divide between the share of employment in agriculture in the United States and in the same statistic for the UN group of least developed countries. Most of these countries are in sub-Saharan Africa. They use very little fossil fuels.
The US share of employment in agriculture has recently been about 1.7%. In the part of Europe using the Euro, the share of employment in agriculture has recently averaged about 3.0%. In either the US or Europe, it would take a huge change in employment to get to 70% in agricultural employment (as seen early in the 1990s for the UN least developed group), or even to 55% (as experienced recently by the same group).
[8] Home heating will become a luxury item available only to the wealthy.
Without fossil fuels, wood will come into high demand for its heat value. Wood will be needed for cooking food; it is very difficult to subsist on a diet of all raw foods. Wood will also be in demand for making charcoal, which in turn can be used to smelt some metals. With these demands on wood, deforestation is likely to become a major problem in many parts of the world. Wood in general will be quite expensive, given the considerable cost of harvesting and transporting it over long distances without the benefit of fossil fuels.
People living in sparsely populated wooded areas may be able to gather their own wood for home heating. For other people, home heating will likely become a luxury, affordable only by the very rich.
[9] Living alone will become a thing of the past.
Without enough heat, and with barely enough wood for cooking, people (and their animals) will have to huddle together more. Homes housing multiple generations, built over a place for keeping farm animals, may again become popular. It will be more efficient to cook for large groups than for one person at a time. People in cold areas will huddle together with each other in beds to keep warm. Or they will huddle together with their dogs, as in the saying, three dog night, meaning a night that is cold enough to need to have three dogs to keep a person warm.
Even in warm parts of the world, people will live together in groups, simply because maintaining a household for a single person will become impossibly expensive. Food and fuel for cooking will take up a huge share of a family’s income. There will be little left over for other expenses.
[10] Governments and their laws will shrink in importance. Instead, new traditions and new religions will play a greater role in keeping order.
Governments have made dozens of promises, but without a growing supply of fossil fuels (or an adequate substitute), they will not be able to keep them. Pensions will be gone. The ability of governments to enforce ownership laws will likely disappear. Without any good substitute for fossil fuels, mass disorder is a likely outcome.
People crave order. Without order, it is impossible to conduct business. We know from recent experience that “sustainability groups,” put together by people with a common interest in sustainability tend not to work well enough to provide order. They tend to fall apart as soon as obstacles arise.
What has seemed to work to provide order in the past is some combination of traditions and religions. With a changing world, both traditions and religions are likely to need to change. In the book, Communities that Abide, by Dmitry Orlov et al., the authors point out that having a strong (non-elected) leader, and a shared set of religious beliefs, helps keep a group together. In fact, it helps if the group is somewhat persecuted. Fighting for a common cause is part of what keeps the group together.
The Ten Commandments in the Bible are interpreted in a way that strongly suggests that they are rules for behavior within the group, not for behavior in general. For example, “Thou shalt not kill,” applies to other members of the group; wars against other groups were very much expected. In those wars, killing of members of another group was expected. This would seem to allow Israel’s killing of members of Hamas, today. Without enough fossil fuels to go around, fighting becomes more frequent.
Conclusion
In my opinion, the problem the world is facing today is like one that smaller economies have faced, over and over, in the past: The population has become too large for the economy’s resource base, which now includes fossil fuels. Today’s leaders reframe the problem as voluntarily moving away from fossil fuels to prevent climate change in order to make the situation sound less frightening.
As I see the situation, the world needs to scale down its use of fossil fuels because, ultimately, the laws of physics determine selling prices for fossil fuels. We extract the inexpensive-to-produce fossil fuels first. The problem is that fossil fuel selling prices cannot rise arbitrarily high. Prices must be both:
- High enough for producers to make a profit, with funds left over for reinvestment and for adequate taxes for their governments.
- Low enough for consumers to afford to buy food and other consumer goods produced with these fossil fuels.
If we assume that all the fossil fuels that seem to be under the ground can really be extracted, climate change from burning them may indeed be a problem. But it is hard to see that they can really be extracted, given the affordability issue. Politicians will hold down prices to get voters to vote for them if nothing else.
Researchers have been working diligently to find solutions, but to date, their success has been poor. Every supposed solution requires significant use of fossil fuels. So, we need to think through what might happen if we are forced to get along without fossil fuels and without an adequate substitute.
The next best thing to Clubbing a Vaxxer with a baseball bat.. is watching Hoolio spot a rabbit then opening the door and letting him fly… as I just did… he easily out ran the bunny and pounced… the rabbit squealing in fear as The Jaws of Death clamped on him…
All hail Hoolio — he is the FE of the god world… he be GOAT.
Clubbing a vaxxed lawyer would be better……..just enough to let them awake to being fed on by a timber wolf pack……
Caveman dreams……..
F888 Yeah! Or a Vaxxer nurse/doctor… I would take great delight in being allowed to do this …
Nevertheless, the idea of using algae farms as a carbon dioxide trap has lit a fire under the rug of algae biofuel advocates. The latest example is the US startup Ginkgo Bioworks, which was just tapped by the Energy Department to lead a research team focusing on carbon-capturing algae alongside Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, Colorado School of Mines, and the firm Global Algae Innovations.
“The scope of the project will be to develop a new approach to algal crop protection, inspired by integrated pest management strategies used for terrestrial crops,” Gingko explains.
“More specifically, this project is focused on improving algal biotechnology to enable increased production of affordable biofuels and bioproducts from atmospheric CO
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Though algae biofuel only involves temporary carbon removal and recycling, Gingko notes that a commercially viable, scaled-up algae industry could also lead to avenues for longer-term carbon sequestration, including bioplastics as well as cosmetics and nutritional supplements.
If so, it looks like ExxonMobil has missed out on a golden opportunity. The company launched an on-again, off-again algae biofuel research program in 2009 and spent millions of dollars on the venture, only to pull the plug on algae permanently last year.
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If all goes according to plan, Pacific Northwest National Laboratory and Global Algae Innovations will be vindicated along with Gingko. Back in 2016, PNNL and Global Algae shared in a $15 million Energy Department funding pot aimed at ramping up a multi-purpose algae industry in the US.
PNNL notes that “algae can be 10 or even 100 times more productive growing on a given parcel of land than traditional biomass resources like corn stover or forest residues.
“More than 100,000 strains of algae currently in existence provide raw material that can be processed into fuels that power cars, airplanes, and trucks,” they add.
There seems to be plenty of room in that algae biofuel hole vacated by ExxonMobil and other fossil energy stakeholders, so hold on to your hats.
More hopiem and keeps the moarons calm as they wait to be turned into
Soylent green …a new fuel additive…wink wink
Greenwash Inc…….
At one point, there was an idea of using algae to create ethanol. It was discovered through a number of attempts to be a very inefficient way of making ethanol. Huge vats are needed; they need to be kept the right temperature and away from pollutants. It is hard to see why this attempt would be any different.
Although operators of the Castaic landfill say there’s no full-blown fire, temperatures within the dump have climbed to more than 200 degrees, and area residents have complained of a burned garbage odor wafting through the neighborhoods.
Meanwhile, 12 miles to the southeast, Sunshine Canyon landfill has suffered water intrusion from torrential storms earlier this year. That seepage has fueled bacteria growth within the Sylmar landfill, giving rise to putrid odors that have nauseated students and staff at a local elementary school.
The highly unusual reactions at Los Angeles County’s two largest landfills have raised serious questions about the region’s long-standing approach to waste disposal and its aging dumps. These incidents have impaired pollution control systems, allowing toxic gases and polluted water to migrate into unwanted areas.
They have also triggered thousands of odor complaints, dozens of environmental penalties and renewed calls to shutter the landfills.
Both facilities remain operational and each continues to accept more than 7,000 tons of trash a day. However, many residents who live nearby fear the potential of even greater problems and say that government officials and landfill operators need to take the problems more seriously.
https://phys.org/news/2023-12-uncontrolled-chemical-reactions-fuel-crises.amp
Wait till this happens inside your body with all the chemicals we eat..
I think Eddy is onto something. I saw this guy talking, an elected leader, and thought to myself: no way can the world be this stupid, the populace this stupid, the leadership this stupid. It’s all fake, pixels on a screen, designed to test at what point the viewer will go crazy.
https://twitter.com/DogRightGirl/status/1737152467350024336
Sorry Ivan, they are real. In US academia there is dozens people like that in positions of power. You can think of an excuse to touch them and you find out they are not holograms. Yes, it is a complete devolution of the human race.
We are being told that EV’s are the future. If they are then why is this happening?
“”Tesla Wannabe” EV Names Have Run Out Of Cash, As SPAC-Crazed Bubble Bursts”
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/tesla-wannabe-ev-names-have-run-out-cash-spac-crazed-bubble-bursts
SPACs are scams that come around when markets are overheated. This article says nothing of, for example, NIO in China or other well established EV manufacturers like Tesla.
Lots of subsidies for companies that had no chance of succeeding. The subsidies made it look as if electric cars were the future. In China, where electricity is coal fired and the requirements for EVs are a whole lot lower (bumper standards for example, people’s expectation of how far they will be able to travel), EVs can be cheap, especially with the subsidies offered.
China’s one of the countries where elec cars probably don’t reduce GHG emissions, due to 60% of elec coming from coal.
Right! Not a solution to GHG emissions.
Imagine this … you are a MOREON… you get captured by the cnnbbc EV hype… you also believe that ICE vehicles will be banned in 2030…
So you suck it up and pay the ridiculous cost of an EV… you get that shot of endorphins from the purchase…
Then the doubts creep in … nothing is as you were told… the range is nowhere near what was claimed… the costs to charge it and insure it are bankrupting you … within weeks you realize that you have been played… but you have the payments to make on your jalopy… you fall into despair… you pick up a shotgun and blow your head off
I think most people have already figured out the added costs in owning an EV, which is why car companies are having a tough time moving them. Ford is lukewarm on EV’s and the Japanese automakers have said Hell NO to EV’s being the future of transportation.
yep – word spreads… and unless one is a die-hard Re Tard ed MOREON green groopie imb-cile…. you don’t buy one of these… and those who did… moan and whine about the enormous waste of money and the headaches of owning one of these.
Tesla owners are mostly a different breed— hyper CovIDIOTS … most never complain …they feel smug about saving the world and are willing eat the losses…
Clown World filled with wannabes
Fast Eddie may have something there about the savagery after BAU ends by the looks of these ..
Analysis of Ancient Scythian Leather Samples Shows Ancient Scythians Made Leather from Human Skin
https://arkeonews.net/analysis-of-ancient-scythian-leather-samples-shows-ancient-scythians-made-leather-from-human-skin/
The Scythians (6th to 3rd centuries BC) were a nomadic people known for their fierce nature and mastery of horsemanship in the ancient Eurasian steppes
Herodotus reported that the nomadic warriors used the skulls of their victims as drinking cups drank the blood of their enemies and used their scalps as hand towels. “Many too take off the skin, nails and all, from their dead enemies’ right hands, and make coverings for their quivers,” he wrote.
We had to take Herodotus’ word for it until now, but the authors of a new study have finally provided scientific validation for these grizzly claims. The researchers were able to identify the species from which each piece of skin was taken by using a series of techniques to analyze the proteins in 45 leather samples recovered from 14 different Scythian sites in southern Ukraine.
They were able to determine the origin of all but two of them, which were made from horse, cattle, goat, or sheep skin. The other two had a human source to back up what Herodotus said.
However, the researchers discovered pieces of leather derived from human skin in two of the quivers they examined. Further examination of the two human skin leather samples revealed that they were only used on the top parts of the quivers; the rest of the quivers were made of animal leather.
…The discovery of human skin leather among the Scythians, on the other hand, provides valuable insights into their cultural practices.
According to one theory, the use of human skin in leather production may have been linked to religious or ritualistic beliefs
Another possibility is that the use of human skin leather was a means of conquering or dominating enemies.
The creation of leather items from defeated enemies’ skins could have been a way for them to assert their power and intimidate their opponents.
Wonder what FE will make use of after he knocks off the moarons coming onto his property?
I can believe that the use of human skin and other parts was used to intimidate enemies.
The horse barbarians ARE coming……..
(Bloomberg – gCaptain)
Red Sea crisis
“The global shipping industry is bracing for the prospect of living without its most important trade route for weeks.
Even as the US works to pull together a task force to stop Houthi militants in Yemen from attacking commercial vessels, shippers are still waiting for details, and worry about implementation. The Houthis are attacking ships to show support for Hamas in its war against Israel, and some in the region worry that too forceful a response will only escalate the violence.
So shippers are sending vessels the long way around Africa, adding $1 million in costs — and seven to 10 days of time — to each voyage. Oil prices are creeping higher.”
https://gcaptain.com/shipping-industry-braces-for-long-haul-without-key-trade-route/
The change is adding a lot of use of diesel fuel that is needed elsewhere.
I am not buying this Yemeni scourge story… it’s fake
Interesting.
I expect better from you!
Of course, the quickest way to eliminate the threat to shipping in the Red Sea is to drop a dime on Netty that the gravy train is stopping today and Gaza must be opened to massive infusions of water, and food, and medical supplies. Now. The power must be turned back on. Now. All easy-peasy.
But the USA prefers to learn the hard way. Like in Afghanistan .
Oh, BTW, Malaysia has spoken . . . Israel, forget about the Malacca Strait.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/20/asia/malaysia-israel-shipping-ban-palestine-support-intl-hnk/index.html
There is still some honor in the world.
If anyone did anything to potentially derail BAU… and stopping shipping threatens the machine
…..The Elders would unleash hell upon them…. they would not hesitate to nuke yemen if they believed it necessary.
This story is utterly ridiculous and clearly fake
Let’s see if any more Malaysian airplanes get “wormholed” now as a punishment.
How awesome was that! Malaysia decides it’s gonna kiss the China ring instead of the US … the Elders respond by having their minions shoot down a civilian airliner…
They reminded Malaysia … not to …
It must be fun to have that kinda power… someone disses you and you fire cruise missile into their home exploding their entire family – then you blame it on the rain…
Bah hahahahaha… I wish I had that kinda power
Reference to the Nature paper by Lee Cronin:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06600-9
A quote: “It discloses a new aspect of physics emerging at the chemical scale, whereby history and causal contingency influence what exists. ”
It is called assembly theory(AT) which “does not alter the laws of physics but redefines the concept of an ‘object’ on which these laws act.”
This article is open access, cookies are optional, I like chocolate chip but not too dark of course.
Dennis L.
I saw that. Sort of overrated IMO. “New things are formed from precursor things.
I think that it is still necessary to have an ever-growing supply of energy for the universe to make this all work. This ever-growing supply of energy must come from an “Invisible Hand” or “Higher Power.” It allows continuous creation.
The work of Eric Caisson seems to fit in with this assembly theory. This is a chart relating to his work:
https://ourfiniteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/13-chaisson-trend-is-toward-more-complex-energy-intense-form.png
Yes, continuous creation; you were prescient once again.
Dennis L.
The Cronin/Tour dispute contains the argument that matters.
Once I realized that the Origin of Life debate disarms the ideologies, we outsiders are treated to a kaleidoscope of Spontaneous Generationists versus Pasteur arguments. Each participant vying to be Pasteur for the win.
The terrifying scientific reasoning problem is whether information precedes organized matter. Where does that damnable entropy as information come from when it precedes and encodes the demand and purpose for further reaction/activation energy?
A good Jewish boy had some time to consider his departed friend’s struggles and wrote “In the beginning was the Word…” and Materialists are working hard to falsify that.
My suspicion is that the Zero-th Law of Thermodynamics implies that computation is the substance of the universe. And matter is the memory storage implementation. (I think The Simulacrum / Multiverse suspicions poke at the potential of unrealized computations instead of throw down the gauntlet and demand the Materialist perspective stop growing into a religion.)
“Materialists are working hard to falsify that.”
Yes, it would seem so, or things are not as they seem.
Dennis L.
“Where does that damnable entropy as information come from when it precedes and encodes the demand and purpose for further reaction/activation energy?”
You blatantly assume creation, or instancing. How about perpetuity, eternity? Sort of the decimal expansion of Pi or e.
Which is to say, there is no loss, or a control volume “outside” the universe in which it can exchange heat, or information. Those pondering only makes sense locally where it is possible to define boundaries. Where there are no bounds, it is simply undefined, just like the last digit in the decimal expansion of Pi or e. Intractable and beyond computation.
And that is just the extent of it, then there is the question of self reference and recurrence. Which is to say that not only is it beyond computation, it is not even possible to construct it into any form of computation. There is no language which can be used for encoding it into a program.
Which is sort of why the “simulation” hypothesis is rather ridiculous. Our notion of computation and language isn’t sufficient to explain the universe.
No, don’t even try to put it into words. It just is.
But don’t let it dissuade you from the scientific principle where patterns and micro/macro level principles, tendencies and dynamics can be inferred from experiments. Let’s say, crafting a hypothesis of the primordial origins of life on earth and evolution.
Does it really matter if life originated on earth, or if it was brought here by some random coincidence, when for all intents and purposes it is likely to have been existing in some form or another eternally throughout the universe?
The same thing of course holds true for your thoughts and embodiment which give rise to these questions in the first place. They’re probably eternally ongoing elsewhere like the decimal expansion of Pi being calculated on a gazillion digital computers across the universe.
Perhaps it is bleak, but the truth is that our thoughts and language isn’t that unique. That which is the mystery is the truism that it is associated with suchness, or qualia. Why is it so as to compute in a certain way has a “feeling” associated with it?
My suspicion is that sufficiently complex computers, biological or synthetic, resonates, or mimics the universe, which give rise to this rather particular characteristic instead of nothing.
It is not clear to me where there is disagreement here volumes of words aside. I can grant the extended phenotype argument cam be shoehorned very far back in our speculation of time. That is why I am explicit about the Zero-th Law of Thermodynamics. Computation is guaranteed by its actuality and not its statement. (It is why its the zero-th – so obvious it was forgotten). Language is not required to compute. But computation sure gets faster if a computer can operate on its (or another’s) previous state, memory, output.
The paper that indicated that the hexadecimal digit of PI could be calculated in linear time threw everyone for a loop. The translation from hex to decimal brought all the time complexity back.
The is-ness of the universe is distinct from our computational beliefs about complexity. However as OFW explores, our human choices are captivated by exploring entropies to release stored energies. We see this pattern everywhere and try it out. Perhaps that is what life is, the search for entropy which leads to energy. And that is why we “see” it (and time) everywhere.
Not exactly, life is that which converts mineral (and water) into complexity by energetic inputs.
That is to say, the energy available is used to shape matter into a more orderly and deliberate form such as to lessen the entropy locally.
Linear time is still forever as to compute the final digit. But it is interesting that a change of base can alter its computational complexity.
just more word play like Zeno’s paradox
There have been quite a lot of ‘perpetual motion’ machines who played with allowable variances
If you can play like that you can get whatever result you feel like but that won’t change the reality
Clever word play is nothing more than trying to disguise inconsistent self reference and then trying to apply reason to it.
Such as: “This sentence is not true”. Is neither true nor false, it is self referential and inconsistent.
The ultimate question is if the universe is self referential and consistent? The same can be pondered upon our own self image, is it consistent, or perhaps full of inconsistencies and bovine manure?
In most cases, the second option. A Rapacious Primate couldn’t care less about such philosophical musings when it’s easier to get ahead in the eternal recurrence of Monkey Business.
It goes something like this:
YOLO!
HYPERS GONNA HYPER!
(etc.)
🤣👍👍
Lex Fridman has a guest, Lee Cronin, chemist, controversial paper on evolution of life and universe. Idea is assembly theory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGiDqhSdLHk
The paper is in nature, will get it and read; I have not listened to the entire podcast, but perhaps because of my bias it seems to suggest even molecules are predetermined in their assembly, they only assemble one way and that information is in the atoms themselves. This is a very rough initial summary.
One approximate quote: “Evolutionists stop when they get to the origin of life.”
My crude, current theory: There is order in the universe but not perfection, it is the way it is because that is the way it was designed. There are too damn many coincidences which are necessary for it to work.
We are biology, we are not the worst, we are the best the universe can do to this point. Should things get too far out of wack, a thumb will be put on the scale. Socially, we do not determine our life, it is determined by the universe which is most frustrating to many in the West.
The universe is revealing the rules to us, they are not always convenient.
Dennis L.
I agree with your last two paragraphs.
Fridman is little more than an informercial host for those who think they are smarter than they actually are.
There she blows!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/world-s-largest-wind-turbine-blows-past-previous-record-generating-astounding-amount-of-power-amid-typhoon/ar-AA1hQi1C?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=aca3bd1056654072b88e09a899559aed&ei=24
So make hydrogen and store some energy for a rainy day. One nice thing about renewables, they don’t increase exogenous heat release, the energy is already in the earth’s ecosystem.
Think of me as sort of medium green, nothing too dark. Well, dark chocolate is very good.
Dennis L.
A bit green and a treat for yourself Dennis.
https://www.greenandblacks.co.uk/organic-dark-85-bar-intensity
Now owned by Kraft and I believe they have a factory in Canada, so should be easily available in all of North America.
This is offshore wind, built by China. I am sure that we don’t have anything similar. Offshore wind, outside of China, is doing terribly. Maintenance becomes a terrible problem, with the salt water. Specialized ships are needed for transporting parts while building them. Helicopters are needed for changing some parts.
My impression is that China is working on storing excess energy as methanol. That is much more storable than liquid hydrogen. There are even some ships being built that use methanol for fuel.
Thank you, good idea, so much to think about.
Dennis L.
Inflatioin/deflation?
Dent believes deflation.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/everything-bubble-predicted-to-burst-in-2024-by-economist-harry-dent/ar-AA1lKTIE?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEDB&cvid=c6dacc3e1f7146ebb3711c3f82bb5b29&ei=17
Over the long term, almost everything has gotten cheaper except government.
There are bumps, time will tell.
Interesting SS thoughts: SS is indexed to inflation, if there is deflation is there a down escalator or do the increases remain permanent? Windfall?
Demographics, always demographics. The young are paying disproportionately for the old. If the largest government program goes bust, does the federal government have any power over people? Do more and more just ignore it?
Hedonic adjustment: My Camry Hybrid gets 40 mpg, my dad’s car of the fifties got 10 mpg. Effectively gas is 1/4 the cost of the fifties, so $3/gal gas is essentially $.75. Not much math is needed to figure gas is cheaper per mile driven today than the fifties.
Cars are better now, not worse, chose wisely, change oil frequently and 200k miles is easy; impossible in the fifties without several transmission, engine, etc. rebuilds.
Dennis L.
Interesting SS thoughts: SS is indexed to inflation, if there is deflation is there a down escalator or do the increases remain permanent? Windfall?
How do you imagine that deflation (which is an American fantasy, not something that actually happens) would create more actual stuff for people to buy?
It assumes fiat money is still in use, SS is a fiat program, it redistributes wealth between generations. If there is deflation, fiat goes further and the inequality between generations widens which causes a disconnect between the interests of the generations. If the SS rules do not allow for deflation, this is a societal problem. That is a fragmenting of our society upon which our government is based, it is intergenerational.
Perhaps the young may go flat, or perhaps it is a cause of the young deciding to go flat. This is in part indistinguishable from the young being indentured to support older professors for a “key” to the good life.
Dennis L.
It assumes fiat money is still in use, SS is a fiat program, it redistributes wealth between generations. If there is deflation, fiat goes further
It can’t go further. There isn’t going to be any further in terms of actual goods, food, energy etc. Deflation is not something that really happens.
pull out the electric drive and the batteries,……
hook a medium size draft horse to the front
unlimited mileage
you might want to put some hay in the backseat and try to travel during growing season.
I’m an optimist also
“Over the long term, almost everything has gotten cheaper except government.”
I think healthcare and educational services (as paid for by citizens) have gotten more expensive as well. Healthcare, in terms of value received, is way down.
Healthcare, I forgot that one except, I am still here because of a $200m machine.
Educational services on the whole are questionable. I am seeing great value at the Winona CC, I think it is excellent.
Guess, calculus is becoming less and less relevant, digital can approximate it very well by small slices. Don’t really know much diff eq, more than 60 years ago for me.
RCTC seems to be offering a linear algebra course; so much to learn and so little time.
Dennis L.
Fewer young men going to college:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fewer-and-fewer-young-men-are-going-to-college-now-represent-only-42-of-students-at-4-year-schools-poll/ar-AA1lMFyH?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0586645460fe405ea55d895a24908828&ei=12
We are biology, at my school in the halls I frequent there women, but many more men who are in high demand.
Men who can bring home the bacon get the babes.
Dennis L.
Men have figured out that going to a trade school has a better payback.
I understand that part of the reason our local university added a stadium and football team is because men are better about giving money to support their alma mater after they graduate. I expect that many of them are earning better wages as well.
The light bulb goes on, never thought about that one; as always, follow the money.
Dennis L.
It is regrettable that those who run USA operated with no long term plans.
1. Split Russia so it would NEVER rise again
2. Weaken KSA so it would NEVER rise
3. Not develop China so it would NEVER rise again
And so forth.
But the people in China are very bright. They have access to lots of coal. And they know how to work within the international system. “Not developing China” has not been a success. The Chinese can reverse engineer any product they get their hands on. China saw the population problem before the West did, and took steps to (sort of) fix it.
kul,
This assumes we determine things, I suggest the world orders in ways we are only now starting to understand. The old saying “Sh… happens” may well be more true than we know.
Dennis L.
Canadian Prepper had a very nice interview with Nate Hagens:
Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE6M69Qr5_U
Part 2:
This is fantastic, especially the final part Nate responds to his take on what to do moving ahead. One super smart guy and have him on my YouTube list.
Need to hear the entirety and thank you.
Nate speaks very authoritatively in interviews. He is also very good with making graphics to entertain the audience as he speaks. Some of his employment has been in college teaching. He also has also provided consulting services to political groups.
Nate has a MBA with a specialization in Finance from the University of Chicago and a PhD from the University of New Hampshire. The department that his PhD is from is the Department of Natural Resources and the Environment. The website says, “The Department of Natural Resources and the Environment integrates the applied social sciences and natural resources sciences, enabling a more holistic, integrated approach to education, research and outreach about use and conservation of resources.”
I find that I don’t agree with quite a lot of what Nate says. He slants it toward what academics think is true, even if it isn’t. He says “oil price will go up,” and “we can get along with 10% less energy.”
It seems like it takes authors with different “gifts” to reach different audiences. Nate tells the part of the energy story that a general audience is most likely to accept, using nice graphics. This can be a winning formula.
Please note that he admits he has ZERO success in practical applications of his ideas in his local community.
All respect but he is just another talking head.
He and his family will be eaten as the neo Scythians rise in the coming years. Southern Minnesota saw the Sioux tribe rise and begin their sweep westward like 18th century Mongols subduing, raping, killing all tribes in their path.
Lil Nate is just a poor Pawnee digging in a river valley garden.
History repeats……
The ship is sinking … https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/school-attendance-among-worst-record
This is what happens when the masses get D-moralized and stop caring cuz they sense we are f789ed
The US has terrible school attendance reported now, also.
https://projects.apnews.com/features/2023/missing-students-chronic-absenteeism/index.html
Seems they are not totally stooopid .. they realize there is no future so why go to school?
And since nobody goes to jail for shoplifting under a grand in Cali… just move there and make that your life’s work…
If you are hot and fit .. there is Onlyfans… Sugar Daddies … or The Pole.
If you are morbidly obese and gross – and willing to get with hobos and old vaxxed geezers reeking of stale p.iss… there are plenty of Dumpsters — Set up shop Out Back.
Monetize the fester.
The future is now. This is the future. For the short time it lasts
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Interesting developments in NZ re vaccine injury data leak
Barry Young talks to a wellwisher outside court. An IT worker accused of leaking NZ vaccine rollout data has pleaded not guilty in the Wellington District Court today.
Barry Young, 56, was greeted with applause by his crowd of supporters in the public gallery, including high-profile conspiracy theorist Liz Gunn.
His lawyer, Matthew Hague, has advised the court Young has elected trial by jury. He is next set to appear on 23 February.
Judge Andrew Nicholls had advised the packed gallery to keep their phones on silent and refrain from interjections.
However, loud cheering and a chorus of He’s a jolly good fellow erupted among those outside the courtroom as he departed.
Speaking to RNZ afterwards, Young said he would do it again “in a heartbeat”.
“But I have a very strong defence, and that is that it is people’s data, it belongs to them, and truth will set me free. I absolutely believe that.”
Barry was in a very unique position as the only IT data analyst with exclusive oversight of the vaccination roll out in NZ.
He was able to establish a direct link between various vaccine batch numbers and health impacts in recipients.
He followed offical channels notifying his superiors in the health sector and politicians, but was immediately fired. Later he was arrested at gun point in his own home after leaking information to ‘info wars’
The leak has been suppressed nationally and on digital platforms internationally.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/505009/te-whatu-ora-vaccine-data-leak-man-pleads-not-guilty
The data is a smoking gun with respect to how badly the covid vaccines injure those who take them. There is a good reason that they can’t be left out.
Fake https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/colorado-supreme-court-disqualifies-trump-2024-ballot-setting-supreme-court-appeal
Fake https://www.zerohedge.com/political/graham-says-biden-knew-nothing-about-his-sons-activities-narrative-falling-apart
Nothing will come of any of this — cuz it’s all fake
Kinda frustrating if you don’t know it’s fake – that’s the point
The WSJ has as its lead article,
Colorado Trump Ban Puts Supreme Court in Hot Seat
Justices will likely have to rule on whether 14th amendment’s banning insurrectionists from office applies to former president
That is real but it is fake — as in Kabuki Theatre…
Audi will hit the brakes on its rollout of electric car models as consumer demand plummets in the face of high prices compared to petrol models. The Telegraph has the story.
Gernot Döllner, the boss of the Volkswagen-owned brand, said that he wants to avoid flooding dealerships and factories with the vehicles as sales slow.
“The advantage of EVs (electric vehicles) is becoming visible to consumers step by step,” Mr Döllner told Bloomberg News.
Official forecasts for electric car take-up in the U.K. were slashed by almost half last month. Sales of new battery-powered cars were expected to grow steadily until they accounted for 67% of the market by 2027, under a prediction issued in March.
But that figure has now been revised down to just 38% by the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), which said the take-up of EVs has been slowing.
Mr. Döllner, who was an executive at upmarket stablemate Porsche, was hired in the summer to reinvigorate the mid-market brand, on which Volkswagen relies for a large chunk of its profits.
Audi, whose electric models include the £69,480 Q8 e-tron, faces cheaper competition from China, which is also a key market for Volkswagen’s brands.
While electric cars are cheaper to run, their initial price remains stubbornly higher than petrol and diesel models.
It comes as electric car sales fell by the most on record last month following Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s climbdown on banning petrol models.
Sales of EVs plummeted by 17% from November last year, according to the statistics published by industry group the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders.
The drop beat a 9.7% fall in April 2020, when showrooms closed due to lockdown restrictions and a 7.9% decline in the early days of EV sales in March 2008.
The Government pushed back a petrol car sales ban from 2030 to 2035 in a move which carmakers warned could knock consumer confidence in EVs.
Much of the 17% EV sales drop from last year was due to a glut of deliveries in 2022 following months of supply problems.
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/12/19/audi-hits-brakes-on-electric-vehicle-rollout-as-demand-plummets/
This is not a surprise. Everywhere EV prices are higher than those of ICE cars, their sales are falling.
These Yeminis are plucky fellows – other than Hezbollah, they’re the only ones to shift beyond mere words so far …
Earlier on Monday, Pentagon chief Lloyd Austin announced the formation of the coalition – including Bahrain, Canada, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Seychelles, Spain and the UK – to patrol the Red Sea in response to Yemeni strikes on ships bound for the Israeli-occupied territories, which came in retaliation for the Tel Aviv regime’s war on the Gaza Strip.
Meanwhile, Yemen’s Ansarullah resistance movement has pledged to confront the US-led coalition, stressing that Washington will experience both military and prestige defeats if it attacks Yemen.
presstv.ir/Detail/2023/12/19/716630/Yemen-Red-Sea-will-turn-into-graveyard-US-led-coalition
Fake..
And boring.
I cannot imaging this group attacking Yemen. I can’t imagine this group providing much benefit to the West, other than window dressing.
After posting, on TAE came across an excerpt of an article by some unknown to me, Bentley, on the buildup of warships currently around Yemen. The map is illustrative of the crescendo
theautomaticearth.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/RedSeaShips.jpg
Meanwhile in little old backwater NZ
MAJOR MEDICAL DATA LEAK!!!
Te Whatu Ora vaccine data leak: Man pleads not guilty
4:59 pm on 18 December 2023
See http://www.Radionz.co.nz fir your own research and infowars interview.
Barry Young talks to a wellwisher outside court. Photo: RNZ / Ruth Hill
An IT worker accused of leaking Te Whatu Ora vaccine data has pleaded not guilty in the Wellington District Court today.
Barry Young, 56, was greeted with applause by his crowd of supporters in the public gallery, including high-profile conspiracy theorist Liz Gunn.
His lawyer, Matthew Hague, has advised the court Young has elected trial by jury.
He is next set to appear on 23 February.
Judge Andrew Nicholls had advised the packed gallery to keep their phones on silent and refrain from interjections.
However, loud cheering and a chorus of He’s a jolly good fellow erupted among those outside the courtroom as he departed.
Speaking to RNZ afterwards, Young said he would do it again “in a heartbeat”.
“But I have a very strong defence, and that is that it is people’s data, it belongs to them, and truth will set me free. I absolutely believe that.”
He actually had exclusive access to all vaccine roll out data in NZ; in that he was ‘the soul IT administrator’ monitoring the roll out of the batches.
Young found direct evidence of specific vaccine injury related to individual vaccine batches
For example
Batch 1 was a placebo (received by politicians)
Batch 2 caused cancer etc. see the info wars interview.
He tried the offical channel first that, is he made politicians and his department aware and was immediately fired.
Then latter arrested at gun point.
He is a Hero and very brave.
The medical data release is being vigorously suppressed in NZ and on international digital platforms ‘Pay Attention! It is direct evidence of specific batch Vaccine injury related during the roll out.
They knew what they were doing.
Smoking gun.
See my response to a similar comment of yours elsewhere.
https://ourfiniteworld.com/2023/12/15/ten-things-that-change-without-fossil-fuels/comment-page-4/#comment-447211
norm?
Republicans revealed that President Joe Biden received a $200,000 personal check from his brother James Biden on the same day that the latter’s account was credited with the same amount from a US hospital chain. Americore Health was promised a Mideast investor, bank records obtained by the Congress show.
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/james-biden-check-scandal-did-joe-biden-receive-200k-from-his-brother/ar-AA1iAnwo
Likely all fake — nothing will happen – makes the MOREONS feel powerless — d-moralized
And ready for death
Strange world we live in.
I read a bunch of places besides OFW. There are so many renewable projects going on that, while it won’t happen for a few years, we are going to be swamped with liquid hydrocarbons, replacements for FF.
For parts of the day in CA, there is an excess of solar power, so much that some of it is going into heating rocks as an energy storage mechanism.
The trick of making syngas for liquid fuels will work fine, much better than making hydrogen because the submerged arcs are relatively low cost (no platinum).
Where does the carbon come from that you’re talking about? Natgas?
“carbon come from”
You can suck it out of the air. Or you can use coal. If you are just after hydrogen, the CO2 from the coal can all be sequestered.
You can suck it out of the air.
Please learn about entropy.
“Verdox, the company developing https://news.mit.edu/2019/mit-engineers-develop-new-way-remove-carbon-dioxide-air-1025 says to assume 5 m/s gas velocity and 200 Pa pressure drop through the CO2 separators. A square meter of intake at 5 m/s will admit 5*3600 m^3/hr. The input area for one cubic km/hr at 5 m/s would be about 60,000 square meters. At 30 m high, this would be a wall 2000 meters long. Bent in a circle around the chimney, this would be about 640 meters in diameter tapering into a 180 m diameter chimney. The CO2 separation at a GJ/ton would take about 169 MW, about 4% of the power needed for hydrogen production. ”
The point is that it does not take a lot of energy to pull CO2 out of the air. Now, the physical handling of cubic km of air is more interesting problem, but entropy is not.
The point is that it does not take a lot of energy to pull CO2 out of the air. Now, the physical handling of cubic km of air is more interesting problem, but entropy is not.
Entropy says you can’t suck CO2 out of the air and concentrate it without releasing even more CO2 to the atmosphere.
Even if this fantasy were true, the US can’t make enough new solar panels to replace the old ones when they wear out. Or enough electrical steel to replace worn out grid equipment, let alone expand the grid. You need high quality coal for those purposes.
Let me make a prediction. No liquid fuels in anything more than experimental amounts will ever be produced in the US by the method you describe.
“the US can’t make enough new solar panels to replace the old ones when they wear out.”
I don’t think the US makes many solar panels. They used to come from China I think they come from Vietnam now.
“Or enough electrical steel to replace worn out grid equipment, let alone expand the grid.”
I am not sure what you mean by “electrical steel.” Are you talking about transformer cores or the steel used in transmission towers?
“You need high quality coal for those purposes.”
You are not up to date. A substantial fraction of steel today is direct reduction, using hydrogen, natural gas, or even scrap cardboard to make sponge iron. The sponge iron goes into arc furnaces and you get steel. Transformer iron has a substantial amount of silicon in it, but I suspect (due to the falling cost of semiconductors) that frequency shifting transformers will replace conventional ones. Those use ferrite cores with no more than 5% of the iron in a conventional transformer.
A substantial fraction of steel today is direct reduction, using hydrogen, natural gas, or even scrap cardboard to make sponge iron.
Oh yes. hydrogen or scrap cardboard. Million of tons of steel a year produced that way I’m sure.
“Million of tons of steel”
Something upwards of a hundred million tons per year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_reduced_iron
100 million tons of steel a year is produced using either hydrogen or scrap cardboard?
You sir, are a liar.
“You sir, are a liar.”
Read the Wikipedia article. It is in response to your insisting that making steel requires high quality coal. It does not, technology, even in making steel, has moved on from blast furnaces.
Of course, there are problems. You want to stuff new direct reduced iron in an electric furnace right away because a pile of it will burst into flames.
Read the Wikipedia article. It is in response to your insisting that making steel requires high quality coal. It does not, technology, even in making steel, has moved on from blast furnaces.
Making hundreds of millions of tons a year of steel requires high quality coal. I am aware that there are tiny, useless pilot plants producing steel with hydrogen at 10 times the cost of conventional steel.
Each kind of steel has special properties, based on the precise mixture of materials included in it, however. High quality coal may not be needed, but we cannot just melt down any kind of previously used steel to make new steel of the type required by a particular application.
Wikipedia is not necessarily a very good source for things like this.
keith,
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/california-admits-its-reckless-renewable-energy-dream-is-failing/ar-AA1lHztF?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=281167bfc3474a77a4582fc1358ddee1&ei=11
Basically CA is going to run its nuclear plant another 5 years and natural gas is an important backup. Renewables have failed to date.
I respectfully disagree regarding platinum, there is more than enough in the solar system. Not sure about syngas, the appeal of H is the combustion process has water as a byproduct and the fabric of the universe loves the stuff, it is all over. Embrittlement is a problem, titanium plumbing? Why not, must be an asteroid of that stuff as well.
From my helper:
“However, it’s important to note that commercially pure titanium is very resistant to hydrogen embrittlement when tested in the form of fine-grained specimens at low-to-moderate strain rates in uniaxial tensile tests. It becomes susceptible to hydrogen embrittlement in the presence of a notch, at low temperatures or high strain rates, or large grain size.”
Ed, what does that mean?
Dennis L.
Embrittlement is a problem, titanium plumbing?
Unlike countries such as Russia, the US is unable to produce much titanium metal.
“I respectfully disagree regarding platinum, there is more than enough in the solar system.”
We don’t disagree, there is plenty of platinum in metal asteroids, but it is in fractional PPM. Getting it out of these giant anvils is a pain.
Hydrogen embitterment is a pain, but we have alloys that are not much affected.
There is titanium on the moon. It is in the form of an oxide that is very difficult to process into metal.
There is titanium on the moon. It is in the form of an oxide that is very difficult to process into metal.
Russia can and does do it because they have enough energy. Not so much the USA. Obviously from their own ore not from the moon because nobody will ever mine anything on the moon.
“Russia can and does do it because they have enough energy”
It isn’t energy, it was a choice to make non-magnetic submarines. The SR-71 was made of Russian titanium. Today China makes more than half of titanium metal.
I can imagine China being able to do this, but not the US. China has coal and some natural gas. California is energy-deprived, apart from its solar electricity which disproportionately comes when it is not needed. Shifting the time a little with batteries has helped keep air conditioning on in California.
“but not the US”
The US has vast amounts of coal and lots of natural gas.
The US has only very poor quality coal left and it’s in the middle of nowhere. It will soon be stranded there as it won’t be worth transporting it thousands of miles any more.
Use of Drugs to Restrain Kids in Mental Health Facilities Jumps 141%
Critics called for an outright ban on chemical restraints in mental health facilities after a study showed a steep rise in the number of children being subjected to them. They cited the lack of informed consent and a culture of medicalization that leads to labeling, misdiagnosis and over-prescribing of drugs that can cause suicidal and homicidal ideation.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/psychiatric-drugs-chemical-restraints-children-mental-health
Children who are not yet socialized — expose the true nature of a human…. once they are indoctrinated into the machine … bribed and convinced that cloaking their true nature is a path to obtaining salaries and baubles… most of them buy in … and become compliant.
But in reality — they have not changed their nature – the primitive savage ape in all of them rears it’s ugly head and exposes them as vile cruel stooopid beasts… armed with dangerous and self-defeating ‘intelligence’….
They can be calm and pleasant one moment — but can easily turned into murderous beasts indulging in blood lust… see professional contact sports… see Gaza… they may not participate but they sure do enjoy the blood (watch the crowd when there is a hockey fight)…. it’s a fine line between celebrating violence (being excited by it) and being willing to commit said violence. Push anyone … and remove the penalties … and they’ll kill
The charts show that 2020 was like the years before them. It was 2021 that was off the charts.
“remaking and re-laying those rails on existing trackbeds is yet another leap”
Why? It’s done all the time. There are thousands of youtube videos.
Rails roads. Let’s all drink a toast to those that built them! Some of my favorite songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG9-7WmeSdc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXzauTuRG78
https://youtu.be/Ez2bo7DAEnE?si=sSxKBeT9YTnoKcQP
Michael Holliday: Runaway Train
BTW – what does a story such as ‘the Nordstream pipeline has been blown up’ achieve?
Take a guess…
Nobody?
I strapped on my 1500HP and have come up with — this would lead the MOREONS to believe that their surging food and energy bills … were a result of a) the pipeline being wrecked and b) the UKEY war.
Get it?
Everything is fake.
You are getting close
Can someone summarize this https://unglossed.substack.com/p/the-polio-reclassification-theory
It seems important
“‘Everything bubble’ predicted to burst in 2024 by economist Harry Dent
” … This prediction is rooted in the unique economic circumstances resulting from the 2008 financial crisis and the COVID-19 pandemic.
“The Federal Reserve and other central banks worldwide responded to these crises with significant monetary stimulus, including lowering interest rates and quantitative easing. This led to increased market liquidity and a surge in asset prices.
“Dent’s forecast comes from these prolonged economic interventions, which he believes have created unsustainable market conditions leading to an inevitable crash.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/everything-bubble-predicted-to-burst-in-2024-by-economist-harry-dent/ar-AA1lKTIE?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEDB&cvid=c6dacc3e1f7146ebb3711c3f82bb5b29&ei=17
He’s mostly right except suggesting that the Fed f789ed up…. they did what needed to be done to kick the can.
There is no way out of the end of affordable energy — winning is kicking the can
And it appears they are unable to kick it much further
That’s why they are exterminating us
Dent has been saying the same thing for more than 10 years
I can believe the severe crash, possibly in 2024. But the article says,
“Dent criticizes the Federal Reserve’s policies, arguing that their actions during and after the COVID-19 pandemic have exacerbated the situation. He advises Americans to withdraw from the market, anticipating severe deflation and a deep depression lasting 12 to 14 years, exacerbating the wealth gap.”
Why does the depression last 12 to 14 years? Why not permanent? Or much longer, until a new energy could can be produced?
Perhaps it would take 12-14 years of depressed demand to reach a point where some growth becomes possible again? It would only be temporary growth, though. But collapse would be possible during that depression.
“Aftermath of an Israeli air strike on the Al Salam Charitable Society in Gaza”
In comparison Ukraine war is for kids…bodies and pieces of bodies everywhere on the street.
https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1737105786554491142
https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1737110543440265362?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1737110543440265362%7Ctwgr%5E6d691b88f1a733c5893286c834fe87fbeb6726f3%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Fnews%2Fliveblog%2F2023%2F12%2F19%2Fisrael-hamas-war-live-multinational-red-sea-force-announced-after-attacks
Israel knows what it wants: Fewer Palestinians.
Well, let’s tear up: international laws, war crimes, international agreements, global institutions
and let’s not complain anymore if someone wants fewer individuals of the side that doesn’t like.
Let’s go.
yes let’s dispose of the charade that we are ‘civilized’… we are mass murderers… primitive savage apes hiding behind the veneer of civilization…
we need to start with standing down the police and courts…
let humans return to what they really are — stop play acting
https://youtu.be/avjdKTqiVvQ
mostly true
sneer and look down on people who have more resources, are better looking, are smarter than you
beat on your chest and try to steal women
mate guard against losing your spouse
co-dependency of women, nagging, co-opting, white knighting
having weird sex cults with nubile girls
enjoying violent video games, bombing drones, gaining territory, gaining status, proving your worth
getting angry that others criticize you/ostrachize you/point out your weaknesses
love getting respected, praised, etc
running for sales, hoarding, irrationally grabbing material shiny objects, infinite kitchen renovations
looking down on geeky or nerdy people
humping e-girls, pornography, 100 to 1 rivalrous mating online, sexual dimorphism dynamics
getting angry, trying to downplay others, raging at the world when not getting what you want, ranting, complaining
eating hedonistically, never thinking longer than a day, a week or maybe a year or two at max.
pinnacle of chimp progress
On the topic of p-orn… If I show a clip of two dogs humping … to Hoolio — he doesn’t whack off…
Which begs the question — who is the civilized one?
When you really think about it – as you clearly have done — humans are a total f789ing joke…
And for some reason we think we are awesome hahahahaha… WTF
Most humans would disagree with this assessment … of course they would… f789ing MOREONS
These are the same MOREONS who see nothing wrong with spraying poison on their food so they can feed 8B
we have two posters under the name Ed
Ed and Ed, it certainly seems like an astute observation.
Please sign as Ed-1 to point out you are the original one.
And Ed Zero as the second…
Like Coke
I don’t understand why they don’t herd them into gas chambers? Blowing them up is so messy
or use a bio weapon!!!!
Notice how in Ukey where 380k soldiers have been killed (gotta be millions of civvies dead no?) we never get clips like this …
You know why? Cuz it’s basically fake… yes there are some old decrepit buildings blasted … remember the clip of the tanks firing into half demolished buildings? with the drone filming… no dead bodies… which is strange since they looked to be residential…. I guess some folks just having fun firing shells at the buildings…
Not particularly much gore from Gaza either.
It could of course be a matter of heavy censoring from both sides.
I reckon we’ll know the extent of it when the Ukey and Palestinian wimmins start flooding to IC proper.
There is almost nothing from UKEY – mostly stock clips and images — almost no destruction at all.. Gaza plenty of destruction – plenty of dead bodies
Verdict: UKEY is Fake. Nordstream destruction is Fake
Purpose: blame uncontrollable inflation
Now back to the stinking primitive stooopid monkeys that are paving over the planet
If there had been an invisible hand guiding civilization, it has not done its job too well.
The Roman Empire has been a big negative on civilization. It killed the philosophical thoughts prevalent in the Hellenistic World, and replaced it with what would we call as Jordan Peterson thoughts.
Other than Lucretius, whose writings were quickly lost, and Marcus Aurelius, who failed to teach even his son, the Romans made no progress on philosophy and natural science. They did kill Archimedes, though,
The Great Books of Western World shows these people in the Roman period, Galen (Greek), Lucretius (buried for centuries), Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus(Greek), Plutarch (biographist – no original work), Tacitus (French), and Pollonius and Ptolemy (Egyptian) whose influence was negative.
The last chance to end the Romans was when Coriolan, who was important enough to be remembered by Edward de Vere (‘Shakespeare’) and Beethoven, almost nipped Rome at the bud. At that time the invisible hand apparently went fishing and he was dissuaded by his mother and wife to not destroy it, and if he did, we would be at the moon by what would have been 1000 AD, without wasting a whole millennium.
If the invisible hand worked and Coriolan’s mother and wife had died of food poisoning before they could dissaud him, the world would have been spared an Empire which was completely useless in terms of civilization.
Another time the invisible hand went AWOL was when Saul of Tarsus, called by Christians as St. Paul, was stoned in a Turkish town called Lystra.
The invisible hand, or whatever it was, did not end Saul’s life, and Saul went on to cause more havoc to civilization. Whatever bullshit Saul write replaced all these philosophical treatises which would have been much more valuable to posterity.
Which is why I don’t believe in the invisible hand theory. If there is one, it is there to mess up human civ, not to improve it.
Jordan Peterson: Peddler of cope to a derelict civilization. But I’m sure he could convert a few depressed males into Hyper Tryhard Attaboy Rapacious Primates, feeling a bit better about themselves while schmoozing and then placating the Usual Suspect Hyper MOARon 304 with the default Monkey Business wastrel antics.
So credit where credit is due.
Not that it really ‘solves’ the predicament, which anyhow would be a contradiction in terms. But I digress.
kul,
80/20, you expect divine perfection, the universe is not perfect, it is good enough. On the scale of the universe, what works is incredible.
Dennis L.
The Roman Empire has been a big negative on civilization. It killed the philosophical thoughts prevalent in the Hellenistic World, and replaced it with what would we call as Jordan Peterson thoughts.
But the culture of the Eastern part of the empire remained essentially Greek all the way through.
Another time the invisible hand went AWOL was when Saul of Tarsus, called by Christians as St. Paul, was stoned in a Turkish town called Lystra.
Never happened, just made up. Stoning was a death sentence. Nobody survived it.
Who’s Keeping Zombie Malls Alive?
There are hundreds of zombie malls throughout the U.S. WSJ’s Kate King investigates why some of America’s empty and dilapidated malls stick around for so long even as local communities want them to be repurposed.
https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-journal/who-keeping-zombie-malls-alive/a6b80dc5-c7b1-4d5b-973b-e2021b4cf417
Eddy, take your meds and go for a walk. You’re 50%+ of the comments, man.
if its only 50% he must be cutting back
Just back from a gym foray…. did you miss me?
I am back in action … but will take a break to take my afternoon nap with the Great Hoolio… before starting the afternoon shift
Eddy: You’re a troll man. No other way to explain it.
How does one get paid though? I do this for free… as a community service
FE is paid in status points. Same as Federal Judges are partly paid. Of course, status points on OFW are worth nothing in money terms.
and now he’s sleeping with his dog
i think this is more information than we can deal with, just before christmas too
You’re becoming a statistic Eddy!
Just keep on sending it!
https://youtu.be/RSuLFvalhnQ?si=fe2CQaOrEguZsFl8
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It is hard to justify paying all the rent to the malls, when sales of stores in malls are low. People would rather go to a smaller store, closer to home, or shop online. Maintaining the huge parking lots and heating the halls are both big expenses.
The MOREONS have soured on The Mall.
From the WSJ- a problem that seems pretty obvious:
The Office Market Had It Hard in 2023. Next Year Looks Worse.
Office building owners are losing hope that occupancy rates will rebound soon
GVB https://gvdb.substack.com/p/the-fulminant-spread-of-jn1-is-a/
“bred in highly C-19 vaccinated populations,”?
Universal Cellular Destruction: Lessons from The Spike Protein and Taste Buds: How the Destruction of Taste Buds May Be Mirrored in Cardiomyocytes and Mirrored Systemically
The denervation of taste buds by the Spike Protein may be mirrored by denervation in cardiomyocytes and in the brain, contributing to Sudden Cardiac Death and cognitive issues.
https://wmcresearch.substack.com/p/universal-cellular-destruction-lessons
Dr. Vernon Coleman: Covid-19 and Vaccination Horrors
‘The jab induced deaths we’re already seeing are going to get worse and include heart attacks, myocarditis, blood clots and, of course, massive immune system problems.’
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/dr-vernon-coleman-covid-19-and-vaccination
Nice.
Switzerland: Health insurance data shows 73% increase in people receiving cancer treatment since 2020
According to Helsana, a major Swiss health insurance company, since 2016 the number of patients receiving cancer treatments has decreased. However, something changed in 2021 and 2022.
In 2021, Helsana’s data shows there was a dramatic increase of 73% compared to 2020 in the number of patients receiving cancer treatments. And the high number of cancer patients continued in 2022 with an increase of 74% compared to 2020.
https://expose-news.com/2023/12/18/switzerland-health-insurance-data-shows/
I hope they spend their last $ on meds
This seems strange to me. If it were true, I would expect other countries to be reporting something similar, and an increase in cancer deaths.
We’ve seen how many countries are falsifying numbers.
I posted something the other day on this … I think it involved Canada
https://covid19tracker.ca/vaccinationtracker.html
This says that 99% of Canadians ages 5 and up took the Covid Vax at least once. There is no way this is the case. Its probably more like 70-80%.
Which is still utterly pathetic.
What a spineless joke of a nation
More on the Swiss https://live2fightanotherday.substack.com/p/they-can-run-but-they-cant-hide-swiss
Ukraine Lost 383,000 Troops Since Special Op’s Launch, Shoigu Reveals
According to Russia’s Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Ukraine has suffered a devastating blow in the ongoing conflict, losing over 383,000 soldiers. In addition, the Ukrainian forces have incurred significant losses, including 14,000 tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, and armored personnel carriers. Furthermore, the Kiev regime has lost 553 aircraft, 259 helicopters, 8,500 field artillery guns, and multiple launch rocket systems. These staggering figures highlight the immense toll the conflict has taken on Ukraine.
Since the commencement of Kiev’s counteroffensive in June, Ukraine has suffered significant losses, with over 159,000 troops killed. In addition to the substantial human casualties, Ukraine’s military equipment has also been severely impacted, with 121 aircraft, 23 helicopters, and 766 tanks destroyed, including the loss of 37 Leopards. Furthermore, the Russian army has wiped out 2,348 armored vehicles, which includes the destruction of 50 Bradleys.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20231219/ukraine-lost-383000-soldiers-since-start-of-the-special-op–shoigu–1115677303.html
Odd that there are so few clips… a tiny fraction of these losses have been realized in Gaza but there are lots and lots of clips…
Kinda reminds me of the India Moon Landing … these numbers are completely ridiculous.. yet the MOREONS just accept them without questioning.
it’s all fake
That’s some fake war..
Germany orders artillery shells for Ukraine for over $400 million
By Rudy Ruitenberg Defense News
PARIS — Germany approved orders for more than $400 million worth of 155mm artillery shells for Ukraine in recent days, in separate deals with Rheinmetall and an unidentified French company.
That follows a Dec. 14 announcement that the Defence Ministry is buying 68,000 shells for Ukraine from a French armament company for €278 million.
Ukraine is firing up to 7,000 artillery rounds per day in its war with Russia, according to a European Parliament report from November. The United States and European countries have supplied Ukraine with hundreds of artillery pieces that fire NATO-standard 155mm shells, a caliber not manufactured locally, but the European defense industry is unable to keep up requisite production rates.
….spokesperson for the defense ministry did not respond requests for information about the French manufacturer.
French artillery-shells manufacturer Nexter declined to either confirm or deny it received an order for 155mm rounds from Germany. The company plans to increase annual capacity by 50% in 2024 from 60,000 shells before the war in Ukraine, and to more than double output in 2025, Nexter spokesman Gabriel Massoni told Defense News.
Yep, what a world of so called civilized, educated, intelligent people
How do you know that is true?
Remember … the msm continues to insist the Covid Rat Juice is extremely safe and totally effective…
And this https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/indiamoon_feat.jpg
How do you know anything?
If this much ordinance was used in a war with this many deaths… Kiev and every major city in Ukey would be rubble… and my Telegram feed would be bombarded with clips of this …
The PR Team operates off of the assumption that the MOREONS will believe anything… again case in point https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/indiamoon_feat.jpg
Because the/Matrix is reality enough for me
all clear?
Angelo, Angelo, wherefore art thou, Angelo?
A bit like the starfish which when chopped into pieces and thrown back, regenerates into a multitude of individuals …
Meanwhile, offshore money to help keep Pakistan afloat is drying up. Reluctance on the part of lenders and donors is understandable in the face of caretaker govt, elections, jailed former PM etc
A Pakistan govt Economic Affairs Division (EAD) on Foreign Economic Assistance revealed only receipts of $4.285bn of which
the bulk of $3.06bn was received for budgetary support or programme loans and about $1.22bn as project aid.
… This (the report) also showed that private commercial banks that had shied away in the absence of the IMF programme last year had not returned to Pakistan so far as inflows in the first five months remained zero against the full-year budgetary target of $4.5bn.
Of the multilaterals, the World Bank turned out to be the biggest lender with $491m disbursements in July-November followed by $120m from the Asian Development Bank and $100m from Islamic Development Bank. Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) disbursed $32m followed by $28m from Opec fund and $15.3m by the International Fund for Agricultural Development.
dawn.com/news/1799058/loan-inflows-remain-below-quarter-of-projection
Curiously, both Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are facing upcoming elections the latter with rioting and heavy handed govt political response. Sri Lanka is temporarily quiet as the interim technocrat govt implements packages of IMF inspired monetary liberation prior to exposing the legislature to the unwashed
It is these poor countries that are going to have a terrible time affording to buy energy products. Without energy products, it is impossible to keep factories open and lights on. Schools are likely to have problems operating, as well. It is difficult to grow enough food.
A friend visited his friend in Shriek Lanka last month – said it wasn’t too bad… just one city-wide blackout for 3 hours in the 4 days he was there
https://drpanda.substack.com/p/ex-nba-player-and-vaccine-ambassador/comments
Pure Blood Canuck
6 hrs ago
I live in a small community of 600 people. Numerous stories of cancer, strokes, disease and death. I attend a church of about 60 people and every week there are prayer requests for family or friends who have cancer.
Just The Facts Please
Writes Lee J’s Newsletter
5 hrs ago
Epic Health has a report out from the U. S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that “excess mortality rate is up 20% in the U. S. working population of people aged 15 to 45. While deaths from Covid 19 declined in 2022, there was a “major rise” in heart, stroke, liver and kidney deaths”. A group called the Insurance Collaboration to Save Lives polled actuaries (insurance). Respondents said they expect excess mortality in the United States to continue beyond 2026. The U. S. has experienced 155,000 excess deaths in the first 9 months according to date from the Economic Co-Operation and Development ((OECD). In a Dec 1 post on X, Food and Drug Administration Commissioner reports a major decline in life expectancy. “The major decline in the U. S. is not just a trend, I’d describe it as catastrophic.” Something is rotten in Denmark as Shakespeare once wrote.
Donna
Writes Donna’s Substack
28 mins ago
4 of my 12 person family have died recently, 3 of turbo cancer, onr heart attack, they were all over 72 years old, so people dismiss it as aging. But I’m betting that spike protein keeps replicating and the younger folks will be unable to fight it. I have told them all to buy The Wellness Co. Spike Support, but they still think I am nuts. Sigh. (SOOOO WEEEEEEEEE!!! that’s a big attrition rate!)
And the A Vaxxers continue to believe this is about $$$$ hahaha… that might qualify them as just as stoooopid as a Vaxxer
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Wiping out entire families of MOREONS — this is FANTASTIC (and I am delighted) — and the survivors comment — how unlucky!
https://drpanda.substack.com/p/ex-nba-player-and-vaccine-ambassador
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Ex NBA Player and ‘Vaccine Ambassador’ Dead After Short Battle With Cancer
Turbo Cancers Are Erupting.
https://drpanda.substack.com/p/ex-nba-player-and-vaccine-ambassador
And the punchline is … they do not connect the cancers etc with the vax… so they get MORE Boosters hahahahaha
I know someone who was 4x shot … got pancreas cancer… before chemo they said best to take another booster shot cuz the chemo will mess with your immune system … and had a heart attack hahaha… he blames the chemo … he’s lingering on … should be up for another booster shot soon….
A Staggering Excavation Has Rewritten the Fall of the Roman Empire
The discovery changes the whole timeline of the collapse.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/archaeology/a46094797/excavation-changes-fall-of-roman-empire-history/
We started with a site so unpromising that no one had ever tried to excavate it,” Alessandro Launaro, the study’s author and Interamna Lirenas Project lead at the University of Cambridge’s Classics Faculty, said in a statement. “That’s very rare in Italy.”
The team was astonished by what they found. From a roofed theater and market locations to warehouses and a river port, the discovery tossed aside assumptions previously held about the area and the decline of Roman Italy. It turns out that Interamna Lirenas survived for around 300 years longer than previously believed, and was a flourishing town to boot……We found a thriving town adapting to every challenge thrown at it for 900 years.”
….We think many other average Roman towns in Italy were just as resilient. It’s just that archaeologists have only recently begun to apply the right techniques and approaches to see this.”
Interamna Lirenas wasn’t just a port, though. Archaeologists also found a roofed theater, roughly 147 feet by 85 feet in size and large enough to seat 1,500 visitors. “The fact that this town went for a roofed theater, such a refined building, does not fit with a backwater in decline,” Launaro said. “This theater was a major status symbol. It displayed the town’s wealth, power, and ambition.”
The theater was in a state of growth, not decline. The team found evidence of a wealthy donor backing what was likely an improvement to the structure. And combined with other evidence, that shows that the theater was in full use throughout the life of the town.
Three bath complexes—with evidence of continued use and upkeep beyond Roman Italy’s decline—and housing that showed no signs of zoning or separation by social status further contributed to the town’s apparently thriving status. Throughout the 60 acres of their survey, the team identified 19 courtyard buildings that they believe could have been markets, guild houses, warehouses, or apartments. The archaeologists believe they found a sheep and cattle market, which would have been key to the region’s thriving wool trade.
As there was no layer of ash or evidence of a violent end to the town, Launaro believes that it was eventually abandoned as residents grew fearful of marauding armies. The end of Interamna Lirenas wasn’t as sudden or as soon as previously believed, which has now opened a new world of understanding.
Like I posted before…. archaeological evidence and research to support it
Maybe different parts of the Roman Empire fell at different parts than others. This part was farther from invaders and had its own set of businesses operating through international trade.
Interamna Lirenas was a thriving town well into the 3rd century AD
The 3rd Century AD is the 200s AD, centuries before the empire’s official collapse date. Why are you posting this copy and paste, exactly?
You didn’t read it correctly. The studies indicate well into the fifth centuries
The remains of Interamna Lirenas’ amazing theatre was there all along, just completely buried.”
The archaeologists did not find a layer of ash or any other evidence to suggest that the town was violently destroyed.
Dr. Launaro believes that the inhabitants probably deserted the town amid growing insecurity but before the Lombard invasion of the late 6th Century AD, because they knew they were on a direct route which marauding armies were bound to use.
https://www.zenger.news/2023/12/12/italian-town-defies-roman-empires-collapse-new-study-reveals/
Burying the theatre seem a bit redundant when ditching the city.
Same with Göbekli Tepe, I mean, why bother about empty, derelict places?
Unless it’s a cover up operation proper, perhaps to save “history” from the ravages of nature. Or just an eyesore.
Odd.
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The town began its decline in the 3rd Century AD, like pretty much everywere else. The towns and cities were deserted beginning roughly in the early 3rd century because the economy could no longer support them due to exhausted resources.
There is absolutely nothing special about this place and it’s disinformation to claim there is.
You didn’t read it correctly. The studies indicate well into the fifth centuries
There is only one fifth century and the studies you have provided say nothing of the kind. They say the town’s decline began in the third century, as we would expect.
Please try to read and understand your copy and pastes before posting them.
the roman era right here ended on a precise date—410 AD—the legions were recalled to Rome to defend the home state, and England was left to fend for itself—wherupon the Saxons invaded and took over—but it wasn’t next day, and for long time the English though the Romans would come back—they never did of course.
probabably a century or so for the saxon invasion to take over completely.
, and for long time the English though the Romans would come back—they never did of course.
Actually the English are the barbarians. The three Germanic tribes that arrived in Britannia were the Angles, Saxons and Jutes. The English are the Angles. Britons or Romano British is the term you were looking for.
nitpicking practice is essential on ofw
This getting beyond silly and petty..
Seems some folks here enjoy being disruptive…makes them feel important
If they were not killing lions in the Amphitheatre then what was the point of it all???
If they were not killing lions in the Amphitheatre then what was the point of it all???
They unironically hit peak lion and ran out.
fantastic……
The Roman city of Carnuntum, like Vienna situated at the Danube – today a museum in Austria – was often raided by robbers hiding in the nearby wood. They found an amazing solution, they burned down the wood, no hide, no robbers. Without wood Carnuntum could not provide logs for cooking and heating, though, Carnuntum declined and Vienna, surrounded by the rich Viennese Woods, flourished.
They found an amazing solution, they burned down the wood, no hide, no robbers.
Doubt it. They would have chopped it all down anyway, wood was too valuable to squander. If there was a forest fire it’s unlikely it was intentional.
Western Australia Update…
We are running into issues with buyers having difficulty obtaining financing… which is impeding our attempts to get off this sinking ship…
Two very keen buyers approached their banks and were rejected. Seems the banks are now very conservative when it comes to lending these days….
One was signed and sealed with a financing condition – and was seeking well under 40% of the purchase price … but was turned down. We have offered vendor financing now so we’ll see if that makes it work — they have a couple of other conditions though so it’s iffy.
I suppose it doesn’t matter one way or the other — die at the Goat Ranch … or die in a bungalow in west Perth… the thing is … if it’s the Goat Ranch I have all those guns and all that ammo to Raise a Ruckus (I am hoping to be able to have M Fast chauffer me around in the Ute while I blast away at the Vaxxer Zombies when they are crawling to the hospital while I shout Sooooooo WWWEEEEEEeeeee got one… got one… Soooo WEEEEEEEE … ) it’s difficult to bring them to WA… so there is that.
The matrix/simulation will determine what happens. Even Doris Day believes in the simulation
https://youtu.be/CcWbZUgymkw?t=17
Hey do you think Doris was like Madonna and most other famous women i.e. she let half of the industry explore her fester — in exchange for fame?
A lack of lending will bring down the system quickly.
West Perth is a great place to live 10 minutes bike ride from my pad. Looking forward to a coffee at North Cottesloe beach with you. Best beach in the world.Mark Williams
The one potential buyer is sleeping on the vendor finance option … we’ve sweetened up so if they don’t bite then all I can say is I hope they are Fully Boosted… and they drop dead.
Hey – do you know if there are any good strip clubs in west Perth? You wanna meet up and discuss the end of the world over some lines and lap dances?
One of the candidates for mayor (he lost) realized FE was in his district and wanted to meet for a coffee… Fast declined as HE prefers not to engage in the Real World for a wide range of reasons so HE suggested an out of the way place…
Immediately I sensed this was a trap and that he was organizing an assassination… they can’t stand that the GOAT knows their plan and HE is plastering it all over SS… notice how Sasha (definitely a Russian agent) called Fast and HIS UEP insane and deleted HIS post?
I trust no one. I don’t know you … therefore I don’t trust you either. I don’t even trust people I know. You could be a hitman for all I know. Or maybe a stalker looking to get an autograph or a selfie… Fast does not sign autographs except if you pay – you can get a signed photo of FE here http://www.fasteddymemorabilia.com.ackack
I hope you can understand.. Fast needs to Stay Safe. HE needs to be alive for the End Game
Gail talked about an invisible hand
https://ourfiniteworld.com/2023/12/15/ten-things-that-change-without-fossil-fuels/comment-page-3/#comment-446863
If thee is an invisible hand it has NOT led humans well.
I think the invisible hand would have a brown color, since it seems to favor people with brown skin much more than peoples of other colors.
Not sure about your trolling, however it’s nice being color blind:
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Ain’t that nice…not only I’ll be dead by then, but those making the pledge will also be dead…how convenient…
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-12-19/Seven-European-countries-pledge-CO2-free-power-systems-by-2035-1pEITAHlHkQ/p.html#:~:text=Seven%20countries%2C%20including%20Germany%2C%20the,their%20electricity%20systems%20by%202035.
Seven countries, including Germany, the Netherlands and France, on Monday pledged to eliminate CO2-emitting power plants from their electricity systems by 2035.
Taken together, the countries account for nearly half of EU power production, largely thanks to the contributions from Germany and France, Europe’s two biggest power producers.
The aim was set by EU members Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg and the Netherlands and the non-EU country Switzerland, which aligns itself with some EU climate policies.
In a joint statement, the countries said existing EU climate measures are likely to steer Europe toward a nearly CO2-free power sector by 2040.
Agreeing to move faster together, the countries said, would help them jointly plan infrastructure to make sure they build enough grids and energy storage to integrate large amounts of low-carbon power into the network and keep it flowing across country borders.
This is getting beyond silly
It is hard to see how these countries can afford to build much of anything besides what they have. Taking fossil fuels off leaves them freezing in the dark.
Political declarations of accomplishing something in the future in exchange for votes today is the same thing as buying something now by going into debt.
You are postponing the reality of the payback.
Sounds like we are already there — banks failing, governments failing, businesses failing, the works.
Wood for energy is a dead end. Many authorities have said, that with current populations as high was they are, that relying upon wood means the forests are gone in a year.
Agriculture would not just decline without fossil fuels, it would collapse. Without fossil fuels, fertilizers cannot be made, without fertilizers agricultural land would become deserts in short order.
Not a very pretty picture.
And we are a lot closer than most people think.
Agriculture would not just decline without fossil fuels, it would collapse. Without fossil fuels, fertilizers cannot be made, without fertilizers agricultural land would become deserts in short order.
People just don’t understand this. They think food comes ‘from the soil’. In fact after a few years of farming, the food essentially comes from the fertiliser you put into the soil, whether natural or fossil fuel derived.
“Soil” today is a misnomer. It is nothing more than an industrial scale monocrop sterile planting surface for collecting sunlight and hopefully enough water (or not too much). Today, we must add fertilizer, herbicides, pesticides to genetically modified hybrid (sterile) seeds and rely on irrigation systems whether from aquifers or draining rivers… and diesel to power those pumps.
Agree.
Dennis L.
And you are involved with the farming business!
“Food” is a misnomer. Our food supply is poisoned, made up almost entirely of processed foods. Anything from a bag or a box will kill you.
In the 1980s the percentage of the American diet that contained processed foods was approximately 32-percent. Today, that figure is approximately 75-percent.
Empty calories. No nutritional value. Only thing processed foods are good for is making obese human-beings, obese soldiers, and obese children.
People say “Well, you can choose to eat real food.” But can you. Ever forget to wash you fresh fruits and vegetables before eating them? Real food? Made with herbicides, pesticides, Doomsday seeds?
Ummm.
Best you can do is add a tablespoon of baking soda to each cup of water then soak veg and fruit to remove much of the poisons…
Or do as I do — accept the cost — and only consume organic.
Consider… we refer to ourselves as smart… and other animals as dumb.
Do the other animals spray poison on their food? So that they can run their population in the billions in a massive overshoot? Do they bang a bell to celebrate their pillage and destruction of their homes?
The act of banging a bell … has to be the defining image of utter stooopidity… it’s like a f789ing Gong Show… bong bong bong — look at f789ing stooopid we are!!! And now we take the money and by a jet – and a yacht!!! Worship us — we are mega rich… we are superior at f789ing the planet… better than you …
Fear not Whitby has huge amounts of polyhalite and it’s only a mile underground.
We just someone to give us enough diesel to mine and transport it(don’t tell the green groupies). Oh, the equipment as well, as we have no resources for that either.
Humans are almost all MOREONS … I suspect there are some that thing food comes from factories… cuz they’ve never eaten an actual vegetable.. they eat stuff that comes out of boxes and cans… plastic bags… with the factory address in small print….
There is a sub-branch of MOREONS who believe having a garden will save them from the famine… hahaha …
(From Jerusalem Post)
What goes beyond my comprehension is how Christian Evangelicals can razionalize to help Jews in their total conquest of the land of Palestine, because, to reach their purpose, they are kicking out (and also killing) Christian Orthodox, Christian Copts, Christian Anglicans, Christian Syriacs and Christian Chatolic.
“Christian combat soldier sacrifices life for Israel: Sgt.-Maj. Urija BayerSergeant-Major (Sgt.-Maj.) Urija Bayer was a Christian combat soldier in the IDF who lost his life in battle on Sunday. He was proud to serve in the IDF and defend Israel.
IDF Sgt.-Maj. Urija Bayer succumbed to his wounds on Sunday after being seriously injured in battle in the southern Gaza Strip on December 14, the IDF reported. Bayer, 20, from Ma’alot-Tarshiha, was a member of the Maglan Special Forces unit of the Nahal Brigade and a German Evangelical Christian who chose to volunteer in the army”.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-778494
Darwinism in action, that is all.
No. It is the power of psy-ops and the consequence of living in a civilization where life had become so easy that one needed to dream up these “causes” to add a sense of purpose or meaning to his idyllic, and idle, life.
Man, or any other animal on this earth, was never meant to have it easy. You had to fight to preserve your food and energy source, survival and competitors, living space for reproduction, etc.
When you no longer have to focus on your own personal or tribe’s survival, and can not distinguish yours from those who are quite surreptitiously trying to destroy you, then you are doomed. So says natural law, the ultimate authority on this planet.
Yes, the outcome is distinctly darwinian. The process is not.
I am not inclined to blame either Israel, the Palestinians, or the Arab World for what is happening in Gaza, but they are welcome to whatever fate is planned for them.
The West did this, establishing a state where one already existed in 1947. The creation of Israel was the cruelest joke of all. It was like the United States, the UK, Europe, and the West, wanted Israel condemned to another Holocaust. And even worse, committing a Holocaust on the Palestinians. And not one Nakba, but two. Not one Holocaust, but many.
The callous disregard for all human life is the cornerstone of western civilization. When I have viewed the ruins of Rome, I see us. All of us. Someday. Soon.
The world will burn for this.
Hello Mr Bolsen.
https://youtu.be/IP_VMzuC6gk?feature=shared
Never heard of him. Not sure if I want to. Strange man. Quite the bio. [sarcasm]
I am not a terrorist. Too old for that sh*t. I am an American. (Now, there’s an oxymoron for you.) Doesn’t one come with the other these days? January 6TH and all that?
His profession is listed as “Murderer, Terror Suspect, and Public Figure.” True. Way out of my league. [sarcasm]
He is identified as a “well educated man.” From Metropolitan State University of Denver. The place has an 11-percent graduation rate.
Do you know about the Kingdom of Otremer?
The european imperialists have been messing with the Middle East since the first stirrings of European identity during the Dark Ages.
The effect is always the same – lots of people (Christian, Muslim, Jewish) die, lots of priceless treasures are destroyed or stolen and then the crusaders are kicked out until the next time.
This time we also have a dark age coming so I expect the genocide to be extreme – 99% or more in the desert areas.
The plan is for all, except for North America, to burn. The largest Jewish city in the world is NYC. All is proceeding according to plan.
What a funny name .
Uriah(Urija) was a schmuck whose pretty wife Bathsheba banged King David, who told Uriah to take back his wife, essentially telling him to die, so he died in a battle.
When someone names their son for someone who died so the King could continue to have sex with his wife, the person’s intelligence has to be questioned.
I agree that Uriah is a strange name for someone to pick for a child.
Not so bad when you consider someone named Sindy… Super Snatch… of course she was not born with that name… norm blessed her with that nickname… how did you come up with that norm?
Uriah the Hunter. Uriah Heep. Uriah gets around. Sounds like a kidney problem.
Sorry. Too much reading of what passes for Fast Eddy comments.
Is Youranus a planet?
this is the craziness of the evangelicals and assorted godbotherers.
the 2nd coming of jesus somehow hangs on the formation of the state of israel—dont ask me me for details—thats just how they see things
so all the holy war thing is just a necessary part of what is necessary to bring it about.
they see this as part of the end times—and so justify their nutty actions.
Norman, I’m not into the subject and going from memory, so others might correct me, but I think it goes something like this.
Destroy the mosque and build the third temple, although there’s little to no evidence of of the previous two and the only stones found have Greek engravings.
Build the temple(whatever number).
Slaughter an unblemished red heifer(they’ve imported two) and voila another Palestinian child will be born.
Nothing crazy 🤣
In the heart of Provence, some of the brightest scientific minds on the planet are setting the stage for what is being called the world’s largest and most ambitious science experiment.
“We are building arguably the most complex machine ever designed,” confides Laban Coblentz.
The task at hand is to demonstrate the feasibility of harnessing nuclear fusion – the same reaction powering our Sun and stars – at an industrial scale.
Euronews….just what we need …the most complex machine ever designed… that will surely be feasible
I am excited! After this giant project will have siphoned billions of Euros, we will be thirty years away from fusing hydrogen into helium in a plant.
Normally an optimist, but.
Mike, on this one I don’t think fusion will ever work, but it is an interesting research project.
Dennis L.
Your god, who can move heaven and earth, will make it work.
kul,
My guess is the fabric of the universe has only found ways to do fusion on a very large scale, fusion may well not scale downward.
The reactors never seem to work, serious work was attempted in Madison in the sixties as I recall, I was there at that time.
Dennis L.
We need a section for stories like this Hopium Flavour of the Day
Just needs a little bit of tweaking…honest AI works…
Tesla Has The Highest Accident Rate Of Any Auto Brand
Steve Banker Forbes
Tesla drivers had 23.54 accidents per 1,000 drivers. Ram (22.76) and Subaru (20.90) were the only other brands with more than 20 accidents per 1,000 drivers for every brand
Tesla recently recalled more than 2 million Tesla vehicles over a safety issue related to its Autopilot software — specifically, a feature called Autosteer, which is part of the driver-assistance system. The recall affects nearly all the cars Tesla has sold in the United States.
The recall is aimed at fixing the system that is supposed to ensure drivers are paying attention when they use Autopilot. Tesla’s auto-driving feature doesn’t just take over and let the person in the driver’s seat read a book or take a nap. The driver must be prepared to intervene if an issue arises that the feature can’t handle.
Some people rely too heavily on the feature, and accidents occur. The Department of Justice launched a criminal investigation over a year ago after more than a dozen crashes happened while Tesla’s Autopilot software was engaged. The NHTSA reviewed 956 crashes for which Autopilot was alleged to have been in use. The agency then focused on 322 Autopilot-related accidents that included frontal collisions and collisions from potential unintended disengagement of the system.
Ah, what’s a few more accidents in the pursuit of progress….
“Fossil fuels are also important for maintaining every part of the internet system. Furthermore, without grid electricity, it becomes impossible to use computers to connect to the internet.”
Imagine a world without Google, Facebook, Apple, PayPal, iPhones, endless demands upon one’s privacy, spam, scams, and phishing . . . . Oh, my!
Imagine a world with a little peace and quiet.
Imagine a world with a little peace and quiet.
Oh there’ll be plenty of noise once the electricity goes off for good. Screams, gunshots, the crackle of burning buildings, that sort of thing.
That won’t last long. Only so much you can burn. Might want to consider killing two birds with one stone and turning them into smoke houses, or all that meat will ruin.
Women being gang raped by groups of very bad men…. absolutely guaranteed should UEP fail.
Yep, we all heard it, nothing new, move on
The banality of rape and murder… and cannibalism
A quiet and calm world.The clip clop of the horse drawn cart delivering firewood. The yells of kids at play in the road. The crackling of the fire in the fire place. The sound of cow bells as the herd comes in for the evening. All is well with the world.
Put the high accident rate together with the high cost of fixing these vehicles and insurance costs are likely to be through the roof, if you can even get insurance. If drivers are found to be at fault, the other parties are likely to want a fortune, because Tesla drivers are believed to be rich (as well as careless).
If they were just able to keep digging …have to wait for a little help from fossil fuels machinery…..
Archaeologists have found a fort that the Romans built to protect their silver mines, complete with wooden spikes
https://arkeonews.net/archaeologists-have-found-a-fort-that-the-romans-built-to-protect-their-silver-mines-complete-with-wooden-spikes/
The ancient Romans erected a fence topped with these wooden spikes in an effort to defend a silver mining operation that ultimately ran dry.
The Roman governor Curtius Rufus attempted to mine silver in the region in the year 47 A.D., but his efforts were unsuccessful, according to the writings of the ancient historian Tacitus. The Romans had built a heavily fortified base with a military presence because they anticipated untold riches; this accounts for the defenses that resemble barbed wire and were intended to thwart sudden raids.
Unfortunately for them, it would take millennia for archaeological excavations in 1897 to find a rich vein of the precious metal in the region. If the Romans had only kept digging, they could have kept mining for two centuries because there was enough silver there. It appears that the ancient fire’s remnants came from a watch tower rather than a successful smelting operation.
Yes, all we need to do is keep digging, drilling to keep BAU alive…sarcasm Withwhatshisname..no need to reply…we know you know
That’s where the trees went in Europe. Smelting metals, making glass and pottery, construction, goods, tools, brewing, shipbuilding.
Doesn’t matter how much ore you have if the area is already deforested. No trees, no smelting, no silver. Also no trees no cooking or heating. That’s why they stopped digging.
OK, you already posted this before…no need to do it again…everyone knows that..as you wrote before
If you’re going to post things about Roman history I’m going to respond. Get over it.
You don’t tell me what to do. I do whatever I wish within the rules of the blog.
In other words trolling
You post copy and paste material that you don’t understand. I bring some thought, background knowledge and analysis to what you post. I will not stop doing that.
I have heard that deforestation had already led to the fall of prior civilization in the Bronze. Age. ( SRSroccoreport.com )
I agree with that theory and I believe the cycle in Europe following such a collapse is about three centuries for forests to regenerate and some sort of growth to start again. We call those periods ‘Dark Ages’.
problem is
when we entered the last ”dark age”–ie post roman, the world had about half a billion people, give or take, and the american, together with its resources, half was unknown.
this time its different
8 bn people will not allow ”resources” to regrow.
we demand heat food, housing etc–they require material which wil not be available.
Starship, wealth beyond counting. Everything down here was once up there, there is much more where it comes from than here.
Dennis L.
dennis
right now we need as much optimism as we can get hold of
Good point. They stop digging for metal ores when they run out of trees for smelting. Without fossil fuels, we will leave a whole lot of minerals (like copper, lithium, and nickel) in the ground.
That happened in Iowa, the Hurtsville lime kilns, the kilns used 100 cords of wood a day.
Dennis L.
But in this case it was not running out of trees but unable to reach the rich silver veins in the earth without digging equipment and more just as important the ability to pump out water in the mine shaft….something that had to wait for the industrial revolution
But in this case it was not running out of trees but unable to reach the rich silver veins in the earth without digging equipment and more just as important the ability to pump out water in the mine shaft….something that had to wait for the industrial revolution
Again, no point digging if the area is already deforested. They likely mined some shallower ore first, it sounds like residue of smelting was found.
Sure, again no point in reading the actual link and since you weren’t there at that time period, no need to go further.
Are you done now…
Sure, again no point in reading the actual link and since you weren’t there at that time period, no need to go further.
Are you done now…
I did indeed read the link which said that residue was found which could be the remnants of smelting.
I also researched the original and only historical source (Tacitus, Annals) which had this to say about the site:
Nor was it long before the same distinction was gained by Curtius Rufus,who had opened a mine, in search of silver-lodes, in the district of Mattium. The profits were slender and short-lived…
So obviously some silver was mined, or there would have been no profit at all, no matter how slender.
Are you done now?
There were plenty of forest in that region in 47 AD, when the mining was attempted…
There was a flood of silver coinage being minted in the reign of Claudius .
For the life of me, at a lost on your reasoning…but again you that’s your opinion
This region was heavily forested at this time
Bad Ems, situated on both sides of the Emsbach valley.
This area was being taken then by the Romans
Gnaeus Domitius Corbulo is made commander of the Roman army in Germania Inferior. He conquers the Chauci and fights against the Cherusci and Frisians. Wikipedia
There were plenty of forest in that region in 47 AD, when the mining was attempted…
Contrary to your claim that no mining happened due to not digging deep enough, successful mining did happen as Tacitus tells us.
When the trees ran out, the mining ceased. That’s why they didnt dig any more.
Really, did he write that..
Post it for us to read …Ill like to see it myself..
Wonder how all that coinage was produced in the 1st and 2nd centuries with good silver at the height of the Empire?
Explain further
Wonder how all that coinage was produced in the 1st and 2nd centuries with good silver at the height of the Empire?
Explain further
The Rio Tinto mines in Spain, where else? Of course they ran out of trees eventually there too.
Why are you bringing that region up now?
No referring at all about Spain or that time period.
Getting silly again, are we now.
Good bye..
Why are you bringing that region up now?
No referring at all about Spain or that time period.
Getting silly again, are we now.
Are you mentally defective, or drunk perhaps?
You asked me ‘ how all that coinage was produced in the 1st and 2nd centuries with good silver at the height of the Empire?
Explain further’
I told you. It came from the Rio Tinto mines in Spain.