Ten Things that Change without Fossil Fuels

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It is now popular to talk about leaving fossil fuels to prevent climate change. Pretty much the same result occurs if we run short of fossil fuels: We lose fossil fuels, but it is because we cannot extract them. Practically no one tells us about the extent to which the current system depends upon fossil fuels, however.

The economy is extraordinarily dependent on fossil fuels. If there are not enough fossil fuels to go around, there is likely to be fighting over what is available. Some countries are likely to get far more than their fair share, while the rest of the world’s population will be left with very little or no fossil fuels.

If losing fossil fuels completely, or nearly completely, is a risk for some of the world’s population, it might be useful to think through some of the things that go wrong. The following are some of my ideas about things that change, mostly for the worse, in a fossil fuel-deprived economy.

[1] Banks, as we know them, will likely fail.

Before banks fail in areas with virtually no fossil fuels, my guess is that we will generally see hyperinflation. Governments will greatly increase the money supply in a vain attempt to get people to believe that more goods and services are being produced. This approach will be used because people equate having more money with the ability to buy more goods and services. Unfortunately, without fossil fuels it will be very difficult to produce very many goods.

More money will simply provide more inflation because it takes physical resources, including the proper types of energy, to operate machinery of all kinds to make goods. Creating services also requires fossil fuel energy, but generally, to a lesser extent than creating goods. For example, the pair of scissors used in cutting hair is made using fossil fuel energy. The person cutting hair needs to be paid; his or her pay needs to be high enough to cover energy-related costs such as buying and cooking food to eat. The shop where hair cutting is operated will also need to pay for the fossil fuel energy required for heat and light, assuming such energy is even available.

Banks will fail because too large a share of debts cannot be repaid with interest. Part of the problem will be that while wages will rise, the prices of goods and services will rise even faster, making goods unaffordable. Another part of the problem is that service economies, such as those of the US and eurozone, will be disproportionately affected by a declining economy. In such an economy, people will get their hair cut less often. Instead, they will spend their money on essentials, including food, water, and cooking supplies. Service-providing businesses, such as hair salons and restaurants, will fail for lack of customers, leading to defaults on their debts.

[2] Today’s governments will fail.

With failing banks, today’s governments will also fail. Partly, they will fail because of attempts to bail out banks. Another problem will be declining tax revenue because fewer goods and services are produced. Pension programs will become increasingly difficult to fund. All these issues will lead to increasingly divisive politics. In some cases, central governments may dissolve, leaving states and other smaller units, such as today’s provinces, to continue on their own.

Intergovernmental organizations, such as the United Nations and NATO, will find their voices becoming less and less heeded before they fail. Getting sufficient funding from member states will become an increasing problem.

Dictatorships ruled by leaders who wield absolute power and aristocracies ruled by leaders with hereditary rights are the types of governments with the least energy requirements. These are likely to become more common without fossil fuels.

[3] Nearly all of today’s businesses will fail.

Fossil fuels are essential for all kinds of businesses. They are used in the extraction of raw materials and in the transportation of goods. We use fossil fuels to pave roads and to build nearly all of today’s buildings. Without fossil fuels, even simple repairs of existing infrastructure become impossible. Without adequate fossil fuels, international companies are especially at risk of breaking into smaller units. They will find it impossible to operate in parts of the world with virtually no fossil fuel supply.

Fossil fuels are even used in making solar panels, wind turbines, and replacement parts for electric vehicles. Talking about solar and wind as “renewables” is to a significant extent misleading. At best, they can be described as fossil fuel “extenders.” They might help a problem of a slightly low fossil fuel supply, but they are far from adequate substitutes.

[4] Grid electricity and the internet will disappear.

Fossil fuels are important for maintaining the electrical transmission system. For example, restoring downed power lines after storms requires fossil fuels. Hooking up solar panels or wind turbines to the electric grid requires fossil fuels. Home solar panel systems may operate until their inverters fail. Once their inverters fail, their usefulness will be greatly degraded. Fossil fuels are needed to manufacture new inverters.

Fossil fuels are also important for maintaining every part of the internet system. Furthermore, without grid electricity, it becomes impossible to use computers to connect to the internet.

[5] International trade will be scaled back greatly.

At this time of year, many of us remember the story of the three kings from the East coming to visit the baby Jesus with precious gifts. We also remember stories in the Bible of Paul traveling to distant countries. From these and many other examples, we know that international trade and travel can continue without fossil fuels.

The problem is that without fossil fuels, some parts of the world will have very little to offer in return for goods made with fossil fuels. Countries with fossil fuels will quickly figure out that government debt from countries without fossil fuels doesn’t really mean much when it comes to paying for goods and services. As a result, trade will be scaled back to match available exports. Exports of goods will likely be very limited for parts of the world operating without fossil fuels.

[6] Agriculture will become much less efficient.

Today’s agriculture has been made unbelievably efficient using large mechanical equipment, generally powered by diesel, together with a huge number of chemicals, including herbicides, insecticides, and fertilizers. In addition, fences and netting made with fossil fuels are used to keep out unwanted animal pests. In some cases, greenhouses are used to provide a controlled climate for plants. Using fossil fuels, specialized hybrid seeds are developed that emphasize characteristics that farmers consider desirable. All these “helps” will tend to disappear.

Without these helps, agriculture will become much less efficient. Figure 1 shows that even with the small cutback in fossil fuel use in 2020, the share of employment provided by agriculture rose.

Figure 1. World employment in agriculture as a percentage of total employment, as compiled by the World Bank.

Employment in agriculture is essential. These workers did not get laid off, even as workers in tourism and workers making fancy clothes lost their jobs, so agricultural jobs as a share of total employment rose.

[7] Future labor needs are likely to be disproportionately in the agricultural sector.

People need to eat. Even if the economy is operating in a very inefficient manner, people will need food. The share of people in agriculture (including hunting and gathering) can be expected to rise considerably.

Some people hope that a shift to the use of permaculture will solve the problem of the dependence of agriculture on fossil fuels. I see permaculture as mostly a fossil-fuel extender, rather than a solution for getting along without fossil fuels, because it assumes the use of many fossil fuel-based devices, such as modern fences and today’s tools. Also, at best, permaculture only partly solves the inefficiency problem because it requires a huge amount of hands-on labor.

Figure 2. Comparison of US employment in agriculture as a share of total employment, with a similar ratio for the UN Least Developed Countries based on data of the World Bank.

Today, there is a wide divide between the share of employment in agriculture in the United States and in the same statistic for the UN group of least developed countries. Most of these countries are in sub-Saharan Africa. They use very little fossil fuels.

The US share of employment in agriculture has recently been about 1.7%. In the part of Europe using the Euro, the share of employment in agriculture has recently averaged about 3.0%. In either the US or Europe, it would take a huge change in employment to get to 70% in agricultural employment (as seen early in the 1990s for the UN least developed group), or even to 55% (as experienced recently by the same group).

[8] Home heating will become a luxury item available only to the wealthy.

Without fossil fuels, wood will come into high demand for its heat value. Wood will be needed for cooking food; it is very difficult to subsist on a diet of all raw foods. Wood will also be in demand for making charcoal, which in turn can be used to smelt some metals. With these demands on wood, deforestation is likely to become a major problem in many parts of the world. Wood in general will be quite expensive, given the considerable cost of harvesting and transporting it over long distances without the benefit of fossil fuels.

People living in sparsely populated wooded areas may be able to gather their own wood for home heating. For other people, home heating will likely become a luxury, affordable only by the very rich.

[9] Living alone will become a thing of the past.

Without enough heat, and with barely enough wood for cooking, people (and their animals) will have to huddle together more. Homes housing multiple generations, built over a place for keeping farm animals, may again become popular. It will be more efficient to cook for large groups than for one person at a time. People in cold areas will huddle together with each other in beds to keep warm. Or they will huddle together with their dogs, as in the saying, three dog night, meaning a night that is cold enough to need to have three dogs to keep a person warm.

Even in warm parts of the world, people will live together in groups, simply because maintaining a household for a single person will become impossibly expensive. Food and fuel for cooking will take up a huge share of a family’s income. There will be little left over for other expenses.

[10] Governments and their laws will shrink in importance. Instead, new traditions and new religions will play a greater role in keeping order.

Governments have made dozens of promises, but without a growing supply of fossil fuels (or an adequate substitute), they will not be able to keep them. Pensions will be gone. The ability of governments to enforce ownership laws will likely disappear. Without any good substitute for fossil fuels, mass disorder is a likely outcome.

People crave order. Without order, it is impossible to conduct business. We know from recent experience that “sustainability groups,” put together by people with a common interest in sustainability tend not to work well enough to provide order. They tend to fall apart as soon as obstacles arise.

What has seemed to work to provide order in the past is some combination of traditions and religions. With a changing world, both traditions and religions are likely to need to change. In the book, Communities that Abide, by Dmitry Orlov et al., the authors point out that having a strong (non-elected) leader, and a shared set of religious beliefs, helps keep a group together. In fact, it helps if the group is somewhat persecuted. Fighting for a common cause is part of what keeps the group together.

The Ten Commandments in the Bible are interpreted in a way that strongly suggests that they are rules for behavior within the group, not for behavior in general. For example, “Thou shalt not kill,” applies to other members of the group; wars against other groups were very much expected. In those wars, killing of members of another group was expected. This would seem to allow Israel’s killing of members of Hamas, today. Without enough fossil fuels to go around, fighting becomes more frequent.

Conclusion

In my opinion, the problem the world is facing today is like one that smaller economies have faced, over and over, in the past: The population has become too large for the economy’s resource base, which now includes fossil fuels. Today’s leaders reframe the problem as voluntarily moving away from fossil fuels to prevent climate change in order to make the situation sound less frightening.

As I see the situation, the world needs to scale down its use of fossil fuels because, ultimately, the laws of physics determine selling prices for fossil fuels. We extract the inexpensive-to-produce fossil fuels first. The problem is that fossil fuel selling prices cannot rise arbitrarily high. Prices must be both:

  • High enough for producers to make a profit, with funds left over for reinvestment and for adequate taxes for their governments.
  • Low enough for consumers to afford to buy food and other consumer goods produced with these fossil fuels.

If we assume that all the fossil fuels that seem to be under the ground can really be extracted, climate change from burning them may indeed be a problem. But it is hard to see that they can really be extracted, given the affordability issue. Politicians will hold down prices to get voters to vote for them if nothing else.

Researchers have been working diligently to find solutions, but to date, their success has been poor. Every supposed solution requires significant use of fossil fuels. So, we need to think through what might happen if we are forced to get along without fossil fuels and without an adequate substitute.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,384 Responses to Ten Things that Change without Fossil Fuels

  1. Zemi says:

    Norman Pagett, look away NOW!

    Here is another c. the ory from English investigator Richard D Hall. Two Welsh researchers did lots of research and believed that they had found the Ark of the Covenant and the resting place of King Arthur, with artefacts to match. If their theory had become widely accepted, as a by-product – though this was not their intention – it would have undermined the current British monarchy’s claim to the throne. Their attempts to publicise their theories were thwarted across the years, in part by two house fires. Richard D Hall believes that they were targeted by powerful players behind the scenes.

    Watch the three-part video and see what you think:

    https://www.richplanet.net/richp_genre.php?ref=127&part=1&gen=99

  2. Fast Eddy says:

    Ain’t it interesting how after all these years of terror and war in the ME… finally one of the rebel groups — the Hooties!!! (Hooties and the Blowfish?) — finally did it – the shut down shipping through one of the most important arteries in the body of BAU….

    Wow – these Hooties are amazing!!!

    I tried to find a clip of one of the attacks… Zilch… of course Zilch – it’s fake…

    I found this … hahahahahaahahaha… oh yes and India made it to the moon using a Lego craft hahaha…. when will people wake up to the fact that they are being PLAYED.

    https://youtu.be/gMC5-sWUmoU

    Container Ships In Red Sea All But Disappear As Key Trade Route Freezes

    Major shipping companies are rerouting vessels from the Red Sea to the Cape of Good Hope to avoid Houthi drone and missile attacks. New shipping data indicates a significant decrease in commercial vessel activity on the critical global trade corridor connecting to the Suez Canal, responsible for 12% of international trade and almost one-third of global container traffic.

    https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/end-times-headline-news-december-600

    • This is a lesson on how to use up diesel fuel more quickly, and how to ship fewer goods internationally. It doesn’t even take a big, strong opponent.

      It seemed like the US should have learned a lesson back in Vietnam about dealing with what looked like opponents that it seemed to be possible to defeat easily.

  3. davecoop says:

    “‘We are near that inflection point’: Billionaire Ray Dalio warns America is now ‘borrowing money to pay debt service’ — predicts debt will accelerate just to maintain
    “America’s national debt is currently closing in on a staggering $33.74 trillion. And according to Ray Dalio, founder of the world’s largest hedge fund, Bridgewater Associates, that number may continue to rise — quite rapidly.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/we-are-near-that-inflection-point-billionaire-ray-dalio-warns-america-is-now-borrowing-money-to-pay-debt-service-predicts-debt-will-accelerate-just-to-maintain-spending/ar-AA1lW9W3?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEDB&cvid=79d41e50ebb645efb2ed95ef92b3554d&ei=14

    They seldom deal with resource depletion, or the decline in affordable energy (https://davecoop.net/seneca) — all aboard, on a dead-end street?

    • One of the limiting factors on extraction is how much debt the economy can afford. At a zero, or near zero, interest rates, it can afford a whole lot of debt. Once the interest rate rises, the economy cannot afford nearly as much debt.

      Inexpensive energy is what allows huge profits for companies that extract resources. Their wealth spills over to the rest of the economy as “surplus energy.” As far as I can see, quite a bit of this spillover comes through the tax system. Governments have historically taxed energy companies at high rate. With this high tax rate (and cheap energy), governments could afford roads, pipelines, and an electric grid.

      But as energy costs rose, governments could get less tax from it. Governments started looking at energy types that needed subsidies, instead of providing a surplus that could spill over to the rest of the economy. No one figured out that energy types that need subsidies cannot possibly be sustainable. The subsidy of “going first” on the electric grid is a huge subsidy. It robs all of the other energy types, by giving them negative rates at time of oversupply. This is what is driving nuclear out of business.

      • cassandraclub says:

        Interest is the price of money. Money is no longer free
        When EROEI was high (100:1) the price of energy was very low… just 1% of the energy gained.
        Now that extraction of energy costs more energy, EROEI is much lower. At EROEI 10:1, the rice of energy is 10% of the extracted energy.
        In my humble opinion interest-rates should be linked to the mean EROEI of total world energy.
        When energy becomes more expensive, so should money become more expensive.

        • When energy becomes more expensive, it is harder for businesses to make money. They tend to pay their workers less well. They can only afford lower and lower interest rates.

          Up until the recent rise in interest rates, the general trend in interest rates had been down for about 40 years. This trend tended to raise capital gains (price of stock, price of homes, or of farms, or of factories). Raising interest rates tend to pop the bubble. The surprise was that it didn’t do very much, in the US, especially. Too much pent up demand.

  4. I AM THE MOB says:

    It’s not those who write the laws that have the greatest impact on society. It’s those who write the songs.”

    – Pascal

    • Fast Eddy says:

      I tend to disagree with this

    • https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/18380/

      Top rated comment:

      It’s Seal defending LSD and the acid-house scene he grew up with.
      “A man decides after 70 years, that’s what he goes there for, to unlock the door”-
      Reference to Aldous Huxley, who died aged 69 in his 70th year. Huxley wrote “The Doors of Perception” (which the band “The Doors” were named after), a book which popularized LSD usage. When he was dying, he requested to be given a ridiculously large amount of LSD- showing a key purpose of his life was LSD- why he took it was to “unlock the door” to his creative potential. Many people criticized his encouragement of the drug in the early 60s.

      • Student says:

        Someone could describe my considerations about drugs too rigid, but I’m in favour of drugs only to reduce pain for medical purposes of people who suffer, to contrast post surgery pains or chronic diseases, the rest for me is lack of respect of the gift of life received.
        To pull the plug is enough a beer or a glass of wine.
        Addicted people need to be helped to get out of their conditions.
        If one needs LSD to unlock ‘creative potential’ needs to accept that one has low creativity.
        That with all due respect of all the songs I could have appreciated if created under the use of drugs, I can live without them.

  5. Student says:

    (Article by Pepe Escobar)

    “Yemen Ready to Stare Down a New Imperial Coalition.
    No one ever lost money betting on the ability of the Empire of Chaos, Lies and Plunder to construct a “coalition of the willing” whenever faced with a geopolitical quandary.
    In every case, duly covered by the reigning “rules-based international order”, “willing” applies to vassals seduced by carrots or sticks to follow to the letter the Empire’s whims.
    Cue to the latest chapter: Coalition Genocide Prosperity, whose official – heroic – denomination, a trademark of the Pentagon’s P.R. wizards, is “Operation Prosperity Guardian”, allegedly engaged in “ensuring freedom of navigation in the Red Sea.”
    ….

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20231220/pepe-escobar-yemen-ready-to-stare-down-a-new-imperial-coalition-1115695024.html

    • raviuppal4 says:

      Why ” Operation Prosperity Guardian is a flop show ? The US navy is a dinosaur .
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHtDY1EJLJg&t=1453s
      https://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2023/03/the-navys-future-are-these-ships.html

      • The expensive ships are sitting ducks for missiles.

        “Most of this debate centers around three issues, vulnerability, cost, and, simply put what is seen as the possibility of a huge loss of life at one time.”

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Right so suddenly they are obsolete… it just took these innovative brilliant Hooties to realize this …

          This https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-tactical/navy-defend-fleet-attack-sea/

          Any enemy force firing anything anywhere near a US ship … would be quickly located … and exterminated.

          Any enemy force attacking a tanker … or freighter… would be quickly located… and blow to kingdom come.

          Any enemy for threatening BAU — would be met with overwhelming air and ground force retaliation … this would not be Iraq or Afghanistan … this would be all out war… every country on the planet has a stake in BAU not being disrupted… anything that moved along that canal … would be dead.

          Funny how this is all happening around that false flag operation that justified the invasion of Gaza….

          And meanwhile we are being fed a heap of sh it that the US is too weak to respond to these ‘attacks’

          Come the f888 on people … wake up… why do I have to explain this????

          https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/indiamoon_feat.jpg

    • Nice chart on this link.

      This part of the article looks important:

      With a single move – a de facto maritime blockade – Ansarullah proved that the King is Naked: Yemen has done more in practice to defend the Palestinian cause than most of the key regional players put together. Incidentally, they were all ordered by Netanyahu in public to shut up. And they did.

      It’s quite instructive to once again follow the money. Israel has been hit very hard. The port of Eilat is virtually closed, and its income fell by 80%.

      I read elsewhere that Israel’s workforce is way down, partly because of all the people fighting in the army, and partly because of injuries. I wonder how long Israel can keep up this war. Its tax revenue may be down, also.

    • moss says:

      Yesterday I read the article (also on UNZ) and the salient point to me was that MbS and the Gulf states are only mouthing empty support for the Palestinians at this point because the closing of the Red Sea will give their land route to the Med from the Persian Gulf across SA, and Jordan a big thrust. However, should push come to shove, they’ll be right behind the US/Izzies all the way

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Fake. Illogical

        The Hooties are powerful… they’d attack the land caravans… oh … and you think inflation sucks now .. ‘magine how much stuff would cost if transported over land then loaded back on ships

        F. Fail. No Logic

        • raviuppal4 says:

          The estimated extra oil used per day .
          “The average number of suez canal transits per day is 56 (let’s say 1/2 divert). The extra deviation around Africa is about 10 to 12 days (use 10). Fuel consumption per day is from 150 to 350 (call it 250). There is about 7.5 bbls per ton of bunker fuel. SO, 28 ships * 10 days * 250 mt * 7.5 bbls/mt = 525,000 bbls per day of extra consumption if 1/2 the ships that normally use the suez deviate. ”
          This is with the presumption that 50% of the traffic is diverted . However we have now almost 100% diversion so now will be 1mbpd .
          https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1736742392575799303/photo/1

          • Fast Eddy says:

            The Elders don’t like it when the TFIs challenge their supremacy… recall how they blew that Malaysian Airline out of the sky — remember how they hung Saddam… remember Gaddafi getting a dagger of the butt….

            Remember this? They will do anything… to defeat anyone… who pisses them off

            https://youtu.be/nP_VnVlFhXU

            I think … that if the Hooties were causing problems… the US would have by now — rained napalm on them….

  6. In April 1954, the Viet Minh attacked the French fortress of Dien Bien Phu.

    Few people in the West believed that the Viet Minh could defeat the French.

    I agree with most of what Fast Eddy says, but it seems the Elders did lose control of the ragtag people living in the worst of hinterlands.

    Sure, they could incinerate the whole Yemeni valley. But then? They will have to incinerate all of the Third World, which , according to William Rees-Mogg in his seminal book ‘Great Reckoning”, is impossible.

  7. Now Indonesia and Malaysia are acting uppity by threatening to close the Malacca straits

    There would be no Indonesia if Truman did NOT tie the Dutch hand back in 1948.

    At that time the Dutch was winning, and Sukarno was pushed all the way back to Jogja, a town at the eastern end of Java, supported by the local Sultan. (For this, the Sultans of Jogja still have an autonomy and are not subject to any laws pertaining to other Indonesians)

    Then USA threatened to end all aid to Holland if they did NOT stop the war.

    WTF

    Thanks to USA, we have a huge monster named Indonesia, with 200m plus people good for very little, lurking just north of Australia. What a short sighted policy! It would have been better now to have Holland still own Indonesia, with Sukarno and his Sultan all thrown to the sea.

  8. MikeJones says:

    https://www.ft.com/content/f29a6882-9c1e-4907-97be-be8374f1c600
    Year in a word: The Roman empire
    The TikTok trend swept through living rooms this year, splitting households down gender lines…Financial Times

    How often do you think about the Roman empire?’
    Sample male answer: “Not very often. Maybe twice a week.” Cue off-camera hysterical laughter and disbelief from the woman making the video. Women, it seems, have allowed the genius of the Romans and their roads, armies, sewers, walls, aqueducts and (erm) gladiatorial death matches, to pass us by.
    The joy of this trend lies in the way that it has split households right down those old-school gender difference lines. The ones that are now often blurred, but can sometimes pop up in uncomfortable ways (influencer Andrew Tate, the manosphere, some of the men who email me whenever I write about gender equality.)
    But the Roman empire phenomenon is delightful and surprising. It reminds me of the weeks in 2015 when the internet went wild over That Dress. People either saw the garment as blue and black or white and gold — and couldn’t understand how anyone could see the other side’s colours.
    Why do many men keep this historical period so close to their hearts? A search for “Roman empire trend explained” on TikTok throws up a man who says that “men inherently have the need to conquer. We always have and we always will. We want to conquer everything.”
    Men reading this: please tell me it’s really all about the classical engineering.
    OK, Whatshisname…

    • ivanislav says:

      When I think of the Roman Empire, my mind immediately goes to its decline and not their achievements. I’m curious about other folks.

      • Dennis L. says:

        achievements.

        Dennis L.

      • Hubbs says:

        Military tactics and training, weapons- heavy shield with center bossing plate, gladius short sword for stabbing, pilum throwing spear.
        Discipline in building roads and protective forts, even when just camping out on campaigns.
        The use of lead in their utensils.

      • Ed says:

        “Carthage must be destroyed!” is all that comes to mind and not often.

      • Cromagnon says:

        1) That Barbarians always, always win in the end…..

        2) Lions are the most worthy lodestone/Icon to display power.

        3) Over extension is always fatal

        4) Bread and Circuses

    • A couple days ago, I wrote about Coriolan, the last chance to end the Roman Empire before it began.

      The Roman Empire is like USA, with absolutely zero philosophical and humanistic achievement , some tech achievements and no marked improvement on science. Its sole contribution to science was rather negative, by killing Archimedes.

      Civilization would have benefited significantly without the Roman Empire.

      • moss says:

        I’m continuously reading (and thinking, I guess) about the Romans along with the Greeks. A year or two back I watched the recent movie on the Coriolanus story (by Fiennes 2011) and after reading your post, Kulmie, I followed it up with a little further reading. The historic version seems almost entirely sourced on Plutarch, which set me wondering a little as to the mythical component of the Coriolanus legend. Recent scholarship has cast considerable doubt on the historic reality of some of Plutarch’s early characters such as Lycurgus, and others.

        My slow read at the present is Michael Hudson’s latest, The Collapse of Antiquity and I’ve reached early Rome, at the transition from the early Kings to the Republic following the oligarchic coup of 509BC. The second last of the Roman kings, Servius Tullius, who was the great reformer in land redistribution to the poor, cancellation of debt and debt bondage and, heaven forbid, progressive taxation! Almost all of the written records of the Romans were destroyed in the following century of incessant warfare and much of our knowledge is based on indirect sources.

        The kings of Rome were not hereditary rulers but were outsiders brought in to rule impartially. It is thought Servius may have been a military commander from Volci, “a chronic rival of Rome in the hilly and swampy land to the southeast” (Hudson) and it was to the Volci that Coriolanus fled following his trial and conviction by the Romans.

        To me it’s not entirely unlikely that the Coriolanus legend could have been largely based on the character of Servius Tullius

    • MikeJones says:

      Thank you all for responding….I’m truly awestruck by the administration apparatus that connected all far flung parts functional for centuries in basically a agricultural society run on mostly muscle power (there was sails for ships, but without the wind the galley of men rowed with oars).
      A prime example is the monetary system that provided coinage to the populace and more importantly the military.

      The Romans were among one of the most monetized societies of the ancient world. They had coins for everything: From small pocket change to buy your daily bread to gold coins worth months of salary for a skilled labourer. Such a reliance on coins meant a substantial networks of mints were established, producing coins in industrial quantities.

      Today, lets explore some of these important mints, and look at some examples from each
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jYUT7ALF4EI&t=3s&pp=ygULUm9tYW4gbWludHM%3D

      There is also a part 2….

  9. Clapper says:

    Artificial intelligence has made our lives better. Your article shows how much impact one person can make to change the course of history.

    • ivanislav says:

      >> Artificial intelligence has made our lives better.

      How so? I don’t see any differences, yet, besides a bunch of crappy auto-generated youtube videos that increase the noise-to-signal ratio. Ditto online comments.

      • Hubbs says:

        AI. Useless. and way overhyped can’t even get an Apple iPhone dictation to work reliably. Easier to just type, even with my fat fingers and error rate. It’s unbelievable how useless this technology is for the average person.

        Remember when you use a computer or cell phone, you are duplicating the most basic psychological behavior experiment : The lab rat learning the maze to collect its cheese reward. You too are constantly pressing keys to get your reward of a website, videogame, or picture on your cell phone or computer screen. No critical thinking or intelligence involved. Just pressing buttons. No wonder we are getting dumber.

        And in some cases, technology, or failure to understand it, can be fatal.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66z726rQNxc&t=46s
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViO1j1iYn18

        Even after 200 hours, 400 take offs and landings, several hours of aerobatics in a Super Decathlon at John Wayne airport and several hours of civilian Air Combat at Air Combat USA in Fullerton CA in 1990, I realized I did not have what it takes to be a pilot, especially on a part time or recreational basis.

        How did this gal, with 400 hours total time, get passed on her check ride?

        But at least I knew that the first thing you need to know about an autopilot is how to turn the damn thing off, and only to engage it after you have established straight and level flight at your final cruising altitude to the point that the aircraft required essentially n further control inputs. You could literally let go of the yoke and the rudder pedals.

        This Tn Fly Girl didn’t realize that when you climb, unless you increase power, your airspeed will slow until you stall, and that your auto pilot, the one she had, (Century 200) did not do this 9add power, nor did it have automatic electric trim slaved to the autopilot.) She also failed to realize that she had in error trimmed the aircraft nose down during climb to address the decreasing speed that required immediate and urgent manual correction back up t at least neutral once the aircraft headed nose down and gained speed.

        She was so hung up using an autopilot she didn’t realize her manual only trim was working against the auto pilot.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I was asked some months ago how I was integrating AI into our business…

        I was lost for an answer….

        Notice how when you come across an AI generated article — there is something off about it? Something artificial

        • Nope.avi says:

          Let me practice my corporate talk as a layman.

          “I’m encorporating all the software that is available that allows us to increase efficency into our workflows.”

          I’m pretty sure that there is something off about that blurb that I wrote. Industry insiders will probably be able to tell I’m an outsider right away.

          • Kowalainen says:

            It’s “incorporating”, and you forgot “pursuing”, “inclusivity”, “boldness”, “focus groups”, and “market penetration”.

            It requires no AI to produce the most corporate of corporate lingo. Just about any generic Hyper Tryhard Attaboy/girl middle or upper manager can whip out the sterile and indefinite jargon nobody reads in no time flat.

            But fear not, let’s set up a workshop where “we” agree to disagree on what we actually mean, since the words “we” use is intentionally vague for no apparent reason other than acting as a conduit for our internal incompetence, confusion and power struggles.

            You’re welcome.

            • Nope.avi says:

              We areaa currently collaborating with clients and focus groups globally to formulate innovative workflows that incorporate the best artificial intelligence technology currently available. AI-empowered workflows will allow us to persue our strategic goal of boldly penetrating new markets as we make our customer base the most diverse and inclusive in all of Crested Butte.

            • Nope.avi says:

              We are currently collaborating with clients and focus groups globally to formulate innovative workflows that incorporate the best artificial intelligence technology currently available. AI-empowered workflows will allow us to persue our strategic goal of boldly penetrating new markets as we make our customer base the most diverse and inclusive in all of Crested Butte.

            • Tim Groves says:

              You should also add in “leverage” as a verb.

              And don’t forget “synergies” as a plural noun.

              If you can explain that you are leveraging synergies across the board with a view to achieving this, pursuing that, and promoting the other, you will be well on the way to picking up a corporate communications excellence award for fluency in bovine excrement.

            • Tim knows what corporate readers are looking for!

    • Fast Eddy says:

      As have video games… on demand hard core p-orn — and let’s not forget the photo filters that allow us to make us all look thinner and more handsome … did I mention snapchat — what did we do before we had an app that allowed us to take photos of our genitals and send them to someone and have the photo disappear after a few minutes…

      The mobile phone is the greatest advancement in the history of the world.

      Agree?

  10. adonis says:

    the elders strike again aka intentional rationing of energy ; “Several cargoes of LNG loaded in recent days at U.S. export facilities and bound for Asia have changed course shortly after departing to avoid crossing the Red Sea, which has become theater of daily attacks on commercial vessels by the Iran-aligned Houthis from Yemen.

    Several vessels have indicated they would not transit the Suez Canal and the Red Sea and will travel around the southern tip of Africa instead, Bloomberg’s ship-tracking data showed on Friday.
    The African route adds weeks to the travel time for the cargoes to reach Asia—the biggest importer of LNG – from the U.S., the world’s top LNG exporter.”

    • Traveling for weeks adds greatly to the cost of shipping the LNG. It burns part of the LNG as it travels. It also ties up ships that could be moving LNG to other locations, so less LNG in total can be exported. A higher price for this LNG is needed to make the whole process economic. LNG shipment quickly becomes unsustainable with longer routes.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Recall how the United States faked WMD then blew the f888 out of Iraq… hung Saddam… and seize their oil to ensure BAU was well supplied…

      And now they just allow the Hooties to do this … surely the response would be massive? Yet there is no response. Cuz the US has no ammo

      Kinda doesn’t make sense

      • Ed says:

        Some foreign government has the bribes and blackmail to control and shutdown the US military. Makes complete sense.

        What is the goal?

  11. DB says:

    Another commenter has asked an important question, but as far as I can tell no one has dared an answer. Let me rephrase the question, in hopes that others might give their opinions.

    Nearly all of us on OFW believe that affordable fossil fuels are declining rapidly. We also believe that “renewable” energy is not a substitute for fossil fuels. We believe these things from our independent thought and observation, despite almost universal statements from the media and government to the contrary (and a scientific establishment that also opposes our views). Even without Gail’s and others’ persuasive analyses, it only takes a moment to recognize that the principle of diminishing returns governs all life. Most of us probably live not far from a coal, oil, or other mineral deposit that has been depleted (no longer profitable to exploit). Although this may seem obvious to us, it is very contentious in most settings to express our views. It seems most of us believe the media, governments, corporations, and scientists are lying to everyone about these energy topics.

    OFW commenters, however, are very divided when it comes to other contentious topics, such as the Ukraine war, Covid jabs, Red Sea attacks, moon landings, etc. Many commenters approach these topics by accepting the narratives offered by the media, governments, and scientists. Some commenters, in contrast, believe that these same sources may be lying on these topics, just as they have regarding energy.

    What is the difference between questioning the mainstream narrative on energy and questioning the mainstream narrative on these other issues? If we question a mainstream narrative on one topic, shouldn’t we also question it on other topics?Questioning mainstream narratives may be especially important on those topics for which we cannot make our own independent observations (that do not rely on the observations of others).

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      good thoughts.

      question everything.

      in the long run, it doesn’t matter.

      but for now it can be quite entertaining.

      oh look there’s 2024 on the horizon.

    • Retired Librarian says:

      Thanks DB. I think about it too. As an example, one “fact” that is repeated here constantly is 8 billion people. This may be right, but I have some doubts. I agree with FE that an astonishing number of things are not true. So then I wonder why we accept the others. Btw, a research class I took long ago taught that many of the world’s “statistics” come from the CIA!

    • jupiviv says:

      Most ofw commenters are not particularly divided on any of the issues you mentioned. There are a few “special” cases which are also the loudest voices who take patently ridiculous/exaggerated positions. That isn’t scepticism, it’s just using the idea of imminent collapse as a conduit for your frustration/boredom.

      Also many scientists, scholars, media outlets etc do recognise a lot of the same issues that we do here. But they tend to be selective and/or inconsistent about it because of broader conflicting interests, both material and ideological. Actually the same criticism can be made about ofw commenters (including me) and Gail herself.

      But our “willingness” to question things is not the issue. More what factors enable or compel people to question the big picture. There are many people talking about collapse/decline these days who weren’t doing it ten years ago. The worsening objective situation and its effects on people’s lives are more than enough reason for them to criticise society/governments/politicians. Of course, how and on what basis they criticise is another (complex) question, related to socio-economic class, imperialism etc.

      • DB says:

        Thank you, jupiviv, for your response. I agree that opinion on these other topics here at OFW is not divided. Instead, most people accept the mainstream narratives. By that I mean that they accept the _existence_ of the event or phenomenon at hand. For instance, some here might support Russia in the Ukraine war, while others support Ukraine. But both accept the mainstream narrative that there is a very intense war in Ukraine with a high death toll. Unless a person has actually observed the conflict and bloodshed there in a variety of places, then none of us _know_ that the war actually exists.

        You condemn some commenters who take “patently ridiculous/exaggerated positions.” On what basis can you dismiss a position as ridiculous? How do you know that such positions are wrong?

        By the way, for most of my life I too accepted the mainstream narratives that so much of what fills the news and history referred to real events and phenomena. It’s only been in the last few years that I began to question on a very broad scale.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          My favourite is 380k soldiers dead (7x + that of the US in Vietnam) over 2 years with a population roughly a 10th of the US in 1970….

          Can you imagine if that ratio was applied to the US over only two years of the Vietnam war??? Or any war?

          That surely has to be the greatest attrition rate in the history of modern warfare…

          You’d think the UKEYs might have long ago refused to fight…

          Then we get the clips of young men living it up in outdoor clubs in Kiev… surely Kiev would be rubble?

          This is not hard if one applies common sense… if it doesn’t make sense… it’s fake

          • DB says:

            In my opinion, the first step to recognizing the fakery is to recognize we all are fallible and that even some of our most cherished beliefs and understandings of one thing or another may be entirely wrong, no matter how many other people may believe the same way.

            As Davidinamonth… said above, question everything. It may be impossible to question everything literally (and lead one to go crazy), but it is possible to do so for our most strongly held beliefs that impact our lives and perceptions the most.

    • Mike Roberts says:

      Critical thinking is required on all subjects of importance. Sometimes you might accept, or come to the same conclusion as, the “official” narrative, sometimes not. Agreeing with the official narrative on some issues shouldn’t imply agreement with all official narratives.

      • DB says:

        Thank you, Mike. As I just clarified above, by “mainstream narrative,” I mean the narrative that a particular phenomenon or event _exists_, not just the interpretation of that phenomenon or event.

    • MikeJones says:

      Has a poll been taken…I insist we have one to determine the division of opinions…all together now…let’s vote..
      Will any of this change the outcome of collapse?
      I also have doubts about 8 billion people…I demand a recount.
      Thank you for allowing this space to vent..
      Now about Ancient Rome…
      Excavations at Tell Abu Shahrain have revealed continuous human occupation since 5400 BCE, effectively confirming Eridu as one of the earliest Neolithic settlements in southeastern Mesopotamia.
      The oldest levels of the Ubaid period (5400-4000 BCE) correspond to a large necropolis with about 1000 tombs and the remains of 16-17 successive temples dedicated to the god Enki. During the Uruk period (4000-3100 BCE), public buildings and defensive walls emerged.
      In the Early Dynastic period (3100-2350 BCE), monumental royal palaces were constructed. Bricks with inscriptions of rulers from 2100 BCE confirm the religious importance of Eridu.
      https://www.labrujulaverde.com/en/2023/12/eridu-the-first-city-in-history-according-to-mesopotamian-sources/

      • Student says:

        Thanks Mike, very interesting article.
        It is interesting to learn how the river ‘moved’ 145 km away since then.
        Also another additional aspect of the ever changing climate of our planet and relative our efforts to try to contrast it, in this excerpt:

        “The site remained an active sanctuary until 600 BCE when it was definitively abandoned, likely due to the increased salinity caused by continuous irrigation, according to Assyriologist Leo Oppenheim.
        It happened rapidly, and almost overnight, the city was buried under large sand dunes.”

      • DB says:

        I agree, Mike, that none of this will change the outcome of collapse. And as David also mentioned, none of this really matters. But in the meantime, I try to avoid fictions.

    • I would point out that the fossil fuel issue is really an “energy per capita” issue. The problem is ever-rising population, just as much as depletion. It is also disproportionately a “diesel to operate heavy equipment” problem. These are issues far removed from the understanding of most people.

      Oil doesn’t have to fall in quantity, to be a problem. Simply not growing in supply is a problem.

      The other issue is a wage disparity problem, which gets worse and worse. An increasing share of the world’s population cannot afford food and other products made using oil. The problem is as much an affordability problem as anything else.

      People try to simplify the problem to running out, but the problem is really different.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I was speaking to a TFI Vaxxer recently (aren’t they all) and she remarked out of nowhere that she felt that the world was about to end…

        The thing is she didn’t appear to be upset by this … she seemed resigned to her fate… ok with it… perhaps she even welcomed it?

        I suspect this view was a product of the D-Moralization Project

    • This is a place to discuss peak oil. There are other places to talk about the stuff you have mentioned

    • Zemi says:

      “If we question a mainstream narrative on one topic, shouldn’t we also question it on other topics?”

      Most of us do, apart from Norman. Apparently he used to throw stones at the Romans during the Occupation, but since then his intellect has withered and he has become very conformist.

      Then there is politics, which colours one’s opinions. After World War 2, people used to say, “Germany is too big – it needed to be broken up.” Then came the Soviet Union and the communists, who liked to caused trouble for the West. So naturally I thought – and think – Russia is too big and needs to be broken up. I know why Putin thought he had good reason to attack Ukraine, since the West was encroaching on his zone of influence, but still I remain anti-Russian. So it’s horses for courses.

      • DB says:

        Thank you, Zemi. I think many of us do not question the mainstream narratives that particular events and phenomena exist. The ultimate question here is how do we know what we think we know? If we are just relying on something we read or something we saw in a video (both of which can be easily faked or staged), then we really don’t know anything about it.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Generally if you find the MSM completely aligned on something that indicates the PR Team is at work… the Ministry of Truth is pumping out PR across it’s global network and you will find the exact same stories on cnnbbc as well as buttf888 news in buttf888 nowhere…

          Another signal that you are being played is when you uncover a slip up …. recall Project Veritas exposed CBS for faking queues at a covid clinic… recall in Wuhan the dead man on the street with the hazmat men scooping him up – you need to use your intelligence to interpret that – if you were near dead from a flu like illness… would you be walking the streets?

          With the Ukey war – there have been many slip ups – Ghost of Kiev… the bbc guy pretending he was in a firefight but there was an old women walking with her shopping in the distance… there was the old hag carrying a huge chunk of concrete after a bombing (clearly painting foam… and why would she be carrying that anyway???)

          With nordstream — it just makes no sense + if they took that offline surely there would be enormous visible implications …

          With the Hooties… obviously there would be a massive response if any group F789ed with the Jesus… but we are told the US is not prepared… doesn’t have the ammo to do anything… the US military is obsolete…

          There are usually signals that indicate something is not what we are being told… but if you trust cnnbbc you will not pick up the obvious signals…

          Never Trust bbccnn (or Huff) and you will be on your way to an awakening.

          bbccnn are useful – in helping you rule out whatever they say is true — so that you can then try to work out what the truth is

          • DB says:

            I don’t know whether these are slip-ups. These kinds of errors occur in many other reported events/phenomena, now, in the recent past, and in the distant past. The errors don’t matter, because the overwhelming majority of people on the receiving end of these reports still accept the accounts uncritically.

            As you’ve noted many times, those creating and pushing fake stories seem to like playing with us, by including ludicrous elements into the narratives, almost as if they are testing the limits of what people will believe. Maybe there are no limits.

    • Student says:

      DB, I’m afraid that your considerations suffer of what I could define Americacentrism or Westerncentrism.
      Actually about mainstream media we have to say that it depends on which Country one takes into consideration.
      Insise OFW we have readers from all over the world and, for instance, on Arab mainstream media the war in Gaza is considered in the opposite way than Western media does, same thing happens if you consider Russian, Indian or Chinese mainstream media about Ukraine.
      If you talk about Covid vaccines, then you can remember that, for instance, in Russia it is not an argument of discussion anymore, because they proposed to the population two doses of Sputnik and that’s it (not mandatory).
      By the way it was not an experimental mRna vaccine like the one proposed on the Western world..
      Furthermore, on the western world they are going on pushing for doses and doses.
      So the key takes for me are:

      1) it depends which mainstream media one considers.
      2) not necessarily all what mainstream media reports is false, but it is upon us the burden to analyze it.

      • DB says:

        Thank you, Student. I wasn’t clear in my initial comment. For most topics, I meant that the mainstream narrative is that a particular event or phenomenon exists. So it’s not a matter of whether we rely on mainstream media or alternative media. For instance, does the Ukraine war actually exist, in the form of widespread destruction and hundreds of thousands (or more) dead? My comment is not about whether Russia’s or Ukraine’s version of events is accurate or whose claim is right/moral or what the causes/purposes of the war are. People who debate those issues agree with the mainstream narrative that there is actually a major war.

        • Student says:

          DB, I’m sorry if you don’t have a clear idea of how is the Ukraine war.
          It is actually very easy to understand it.
          But you unfortunately need to read 4/5 newspapers from different origin and then make a summary on your own.
          I suggest you to read ‘Al Arabya’, ‘RT’, ‘Jerusalem Post’, ‘Financial Times’.
          For FT you need to use archive.ph.
          You will see that Ukraine is a dead Country mainly because its exports have been erased and its infrastructure too.
          Almost all Ukrainians now have emigrated to Europe and in Ukraine there are mainly men pushed to death being sent against blocked Russian war positions.
          On FT have been explained for months that if US and EU stops the incredible huge amount of billions to Ukraine, the Country would cease to exist in a week.
          Tell me what else one needs to know more on this phase…

          • DB says:

            I have often read the news from diverse countries, including all of the sources you mentioned. But they have the same weakness: they all present the mainstream view that there is a very bloody war in the Ukraine.

            How do you know that there is actually a war in Ukraine? Have you personally observed intense combat and many dead/wounded there throughout the areas where the media report fighting? Do believe that the written reports, photos, and videos given by the media are accurate and do not include fake or staged events? If so, why do you believe the media on the Ukraine war but not on fossil fuel depletion and renewable energy? How can you tell when the media are accurate and when they are lying?

            The same questions I have here about Ukraine apply to almost every major event/phenomenon reported by the media in any country. If we rely entirely on what others (such as the media) say, we have little to no knowledge of the topic.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I am certain the UKE war is a orchestrated event — there is some very limited fighting for photo opps… but overall few have died… if it was happening on the scale that is being claimed the country would be rubble …if that many UKEs were dead there would be uprisings demanding an end to the war… there would not be all these clips of faked war scenes…

              Remember NYC with the field hospital in Central Park — the stadium filled with beds — the military hospital ship anchored in the harbour???? Remember that I posted shots of the completely empty field hospital – the guy with the video camera walking around the Javits Centre showing it to be completely empty — the ship eventually left never having treated a single person …

              Remember the Film Your Hospital channel on Twitter — endless clips of completely empty emergency wards across the country — seems the only hospital that was full of Covids was Elmhurst…. but as we later found out that was because they hauled everyone in NYC with covid to that hospital for the photo opp…. remember how CBS got caught having staff queue pretending to be covid patients at one hospital?

              Most people believed all of that … every last bit of it… they did NOT question any of it…

              bbccnn insists that three is plenty of oil remaining and that we are transitioning to renewable energy… therefore both positions must be lies… cuz bbccnn lie about everything….

              But we also know that we are steaming oil out of sand… drilling miles beneath the sea and dropping bombs into thousands of holes and sucking up the dregs… if there were oceans of oil left to be tapped — why would we be doing the above?

              As for renewable energy we know that this is impossible – not enough resources to transition — intermittency makes it a no go etc etc etc…

              We can generally determine what is false by applying common sense and logic — cnnbbc are also useful in the Quest for Truth — cuz whatever they tell us to think is almost always a lie — so we can rule out their explanations

              Most people TFIs… they work off of the assumption that bbccnn (and Huff) are not lying .. so for them — there is no need to question anything … life is easy — just turn on the TEEv and listen to obtain the truth.

              Now why would the US blow up the Nordstream … keeping in mind they destroyed Iraq and established military bases around the oil fields — to ensure the world economy was not starved of oil….

              The US is exporting huge amounts of energy including LNG … to ensure BAU is not starved of energy … but they’d blow up a key pipeline… cuz????

  12. Fast Eddy says:

    Diesel https://t.me/leaklive/17404

    From Bricks To Banks: China’s Real Estate Nightmare Sends Shockwaves Through Banking

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bricks-banks-chinas-real-estate-190110747.html

    Recall how long it took from the time Burry and a few others realized the US property market was f888ed… to when it blew up… same thing in china but worse

    • From the second link:

      “If China fails to order the banks to write off bad loans in the property market, interest costs will continue to chip away at the economy, while too much capital will continue to be wasted on investments with no value,” said Andrew Collier, founder and managing director of Hong Kong-based research firm Orient Capital Research.

      A bear market could also descend on the Chinese and Hong Kong stock markets as the crisis worsens, as the banking stocks account for nearly 10% of China’s total stock market. Hywin Holdings Ltd., a Chinese shadow bank listed on the Nasdaq Stock Market, lost 60% in just three days as concerns regarding debt defaults grew worldwide.

      Experts have drawn similarities between China’s ongoing real estate crisis and the U.S. subprime crisis in 2008, during which U.S. banks collectively lost over $700 billion. China’s losses are expected to be greater, with Kyle Bass, founder and CEO of Hayman Capital Management, predicting the nation’s losses to top $4 trillion.

      “We think that [China’s] real estate losses are $4 trillion at least. And the local government financing vehicle market, we don’t even know where the bottom to that market is,” Bass said. “To have a properly functioning capital market, you have to understand the banking system, and their banking system is in freefall right now.”

  13. Mike Jones says:

    Cubans brace for more hardship after the government announces tough economic measures
    Price hikes for basic services and the elimination of subsidized staples are some of the measures that will take effect next year to rein in inflation and a deficit.
    HAVANA ­— Cuba announced tough economic measures for 2024 that include raising prices for fuel and basic services, cutting subsidies and placing restrictions on the emerging private sector, alarming ordinary Cubans.
    The changes, announced Wednesday and set to be implemented in 2024, would be some of the most significant modifications to the communist-run island’s economy in years.
    Prices for water, electricity, liquid gas, transportation and fuel will rise in the coming year. Homes that consume the most electricity will experience 25% increases, and the price of water will triple for some households. Some of the changes, particularly for electricity, could greatly affect those who operate small businesses from their homes.
    At a gas station in Havana, Cuba’s capital, people expressed alarm Thursday over what is going to happen when the price hikes kick in.
    Jorge Castro, a driver who works for the state, had already spent two hours in line to fill his tank and was still halfway to the pump. “It’s hard, because they’re going to raise gasoline prices, but we’re still going to have the long lines,” he said, referring to the gas shortages.

    Looks as if more are coming over to escape…to be honest when I’m out shopping now in Home Depot here all I hear is Spanish or Creole…
    South Florida has changed beyond recognition in a half century

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      but how long has South Florida really been populated by English speakers?

      tempus fugit.

      • MikeJones says:

        I live at the Seminole Reservation, next to the Hard Rock Cafe and Guitar Hotel…I’ll ask…

    • Cuba has kept its population down, unlike Haiti, which is geographically close. People coming to the US has been one way of doing this.
      Cuba = 272 people per mi2
      Haiti = 1,102 people per mi2

      Both countries are terribly dependent on imported fuel. Importing oil to provide electricity is a terribly expensive way to do things. It becomes impossible to make goods for export at a reasonable price if an economy depends on imported oil for almost everything.

      Cuba does have a little oil and natural gas.
      https://www.eia.gov/international/analysis/country/CUB

      • MikeJones says:

        Yes, Also great many from Columbia, Brazil, all other islands and Latin America…let them all in…there is no hosing crisis here …
        The Miami Beach City Commission passed a new ordinance Wednesday that would amend the city’s ban on camping and allow police to arrest homeless people who sleep outside and refuse shelter.
        The vote was passed 4-to-3 to revise the “camping” ban.
        Miami Beach already had a ban on outdoor sleeping, but that ordinance required authorities to give people a warning before giving them an opportunity to relocate.
        The newly passed ordinance eliminates the warning provision.
        Miami Beach commissioners heard from Tracy Slavens, a board member for the women and children shelter Lotus House, who shared her sympathy for homeless people who have criminal records.
        “With a criminal record, it makes it very hard for them to get jobs or rent an apartment,” said Slavens.
        Local leaders also heard from Rachel Prestipino, vice president of Policy and Community Engagement of Catalyst Miami, who said the new law would “criminalize” homeless people.
        Channel 10 News
        Perhaps a workhouse for them to keep busy and earn their keep is in order

  14. Ed says:

    It is the end of the world bankruptcy sale. Blackrock gets North and South America.
    Russia gets Russia. China gets China. China and US fight for Africa. India gets India but who cares. Europe just goes bankrupt, again who cares. Who gets Australia TBD.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      China gets South America, Africa, Europe and Australia.

      simple!

      10 days until 2024, baby!

  15. Ed says:

    from Kunstler’s comment section

    OG December 22, 2023 at 6:56 pm #

    ‘Twas The Night Before America Fell
    by John Scotto

    ‘Twas the night before December 25th, an ominous silence swept through every town and every abandoned house,
    Individual freedom and liberty now completely shunned and forever doused, People in a state of confusion and no longer willing to care, Within a state of delusion, each person left with nothing but despair,

    Leftist indoctrination dancing through children’s heads,
    Marxist propaganda within the media being spoon-fed,
    And my AI companion in its kerchief, and I donning my virtual reality headphones now replacing my cap, Sane people finally realizing Biden and his fellow leftists were all full of crap,

    While watching my computer screen I listened to the chatter,
    I wondered why my individual existence no longer mattered,

    Dreaming of the past when people were allowed to use cash,
    A time when people were free and where economies didn’t constantly crash,
    The moon was still out there but no longer glowed,
    The freedom of thought unable to flow,
    Every house under surveillance, people existing like zombies within perpetual chaos and fear, Nothing made sense, but the reality of tyranny remained painfully clear,

    Thinking back and recalling that the leftist globalists used every trick, Freedom had vanished in an instant, it happened so quick, The masses now within their virtual prisons, easily tamed,
    No longer able to make personal decisions, their own willful ignorance to blame,

    Now onward Biden, Soros, Fauci, Schwab and Gates, the radical leftist miscreants with no vision, On Communism, on Globalism, on Socialism and racial division, Reaching the bottom of hell, people huddled behind the closing walls, Unable to escape like frightened sheep and pigs within their muddy stalls,

    A world now engrossed within tears and empty sighs,
    People forgetting the past America, a time when the eagle soared high, Younger people buying into the age of convenience, they simply don’t have a clue, The remaining citizens left to ponder about the free America they once knew,

    And then I heard a beep, an email coming through,
    Another spam message, it’s the junk mail I rue,
    As I clicked my mouse and looked all around,
    Coming to the sobering realization that America was no longer free but now forever bound,

    People in a panic, within a constant nervous stir, fascism was afoot, Most content to avoid evil, however now knowing America’s goose was finally cooked, Common sense, critical thinking and the use of logic is what most people today currently lack,
    Existing within a leftist illusion, a rigged deck which always seemed to be stacked,

    People’s eyes no longer twinkled, life was no longer merry!
    Existing like zombies, always busy and in a hurry,
    Civilization had reached a new low, Everything remaining stagnant and unable to grow,

    No more Christmas songs or the hanging of wreaths,
    Hell unleashed upon earth, God hearing many people gnawing and gnashing their teeth, Looking for food but left with empty bellies, Not a steak or hamburger to be found, not even one can of grape jelly,

    Almost all the cupboards were bare, nothing left on the shelf,
    Why did we let the climate cultists get their way I thought to myself, Many people homeless and left within poverty, the middle class in the red, People’s finances, liberty, personal privacy and freedom being bled,

    Machines, illegal aliens, government goodies and universal income replacing the humans who no longer desire to work,
    All made possible by the leftist globalists, a real bunch of arrogant jerks, Artificial intelligence and computer algorithms now a substitute for human prose,

    The window to remain free now forever closed,

    An America left without Christmas, people filled with regret and the “sound” of empty whistles,
    People worrying bout EMP bombs and or supersonic nuclear missiles, The one final thought I had before the end of the night, Why didn’t we listen, why didn’t we fight, why didn’t we maintain the precious freedom which has now vanished forever from our sight?

    ***

  16. moss says:

    Not too much doubt as to the faction for whom the heart of this one beats
    Ecuador’s new president Daniel Noboa is seeking to overhaul the country’s stagnant economy by selling gold reserves, cutting costs, and possibly seeking more international loans.

    Last week, the country’s youngest-ever president said his government will cut $1 billion in public spending and seek loans from multilateral organizations.
    newsus.cgtn.com/news/2023-12-22/Ecuador-s-president-looks-to-overhaul-country-s-economy-1pJhE7gfBOE/p.html

  17. George Gammon sees inflation rates as being on a roller coaster–probably deflation first, then inflation starting in 2024.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbjTg_AuqcY

    This would go with the increases and decreases in commodity prices that were observed when early civilizations collapsed. Governments (or central banks) try to fix the price situation, but their “tool box” is limited. It also goes with the pattern observed in the 1940s, with spiking prices and falling prices.

    Governments can try to fix price levels, but they can’t do it very well.

    Of course, Gammon’s model leaves out depleted oil supply, failing banks, and the many other things going wrong.

  18. postkey says:

    “So what? Each U.S. destroyer carries an estimated 90 missiles (perhaps a few more). Their primary mission is to protect the U.S. aircraft carrier they are shielding. What happens when Yemen fires 100 drones/rockets/missiles at a U.S. carrier? The U.S. destroyer, or multiple destroyers will fire their missiles to defeat the threat. Great. Mission accomplished! Only one little problem, as described in the preceding quote — the U.S. Navy got rid of the ship tenders, i.e. those vessels capable of resupplying destroyers with new missiles to replace the expended rounds. In order to reload, that destroyer must sail to the nearest friendly port where the U.S. has stockpiled missiles for resupply.” ?
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-u-s-navy-is-unprepared-for-a-prolonged-war-with-yemen/

    • Kowalainen says:

      I’d like to see 100 crusty Iranian/Yemini drones and missiles fly past this:

      https://youtu.be/x-JD7-N3zRc?si=8oTuKVWVhX59L7jW

      Who in their right mind fires a missile against a ramshackle held together with Tier Z TIG welds, cable ties and duct tape?

      The U.S. Navy perhaps?
      🤣👍👍

    • Ed says:

      It is almost as if the military was setting it self up to fail.

    • With limited manufacturing capability, and limited army size, the US cannot prepare for every scenario. The US didn’t prepare for the situation we are really facing. Oops!

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Can’t they just buy North Korea’s surplus missile inventory?

      The area is not that big — if Hooties were whacking ships there would be non-stop drones and manned fighters patrolling and wasting anything that moved — satellites would be monitoring and calling in strikes on anything that moved… the entire area on either side of the canal would be declared a free fire zone — anyone or any thing getting anywhere near the canal would be blasted to bits.

      Nothing would be allowed to threaten BAU. No f888ing way

      This is a ridiculous discussion .. anyone who believes the Hooties could do that .. is a TFI.

  19. Ed says:

    It is time for the regulation of the planet’s natural resources. The air, water, land, and sea. Each nation will be assigned an amount of air pollution it is allowed per year, an amount of water pollution per year, an amount of soil erosion per year, an amount fish harvested from the sea per year. With zero illegal human movement out of each nation.

    The world community will maintain a global range missile fleet to bomb as needed any violators.

    Each individual nation is allowed to have unlimited population growth below the level that meets its pollution allocations. How each nation controls its population number is up to it.

    Oil, coal, nat gas, can be under the administration of the global community. With equal shares given to each human on Earth.

    • ivanislav says:

      WEF overlords, unite!

    • Unfortunately, it is difficult for nations to control much of anything. China has been an exception with its one-child policy and its rapid ramp up of industrialization. Japan industrialized rapidly much sooner.

      The fact that growth was limited in the “West” no doubt helped both countries. A rapid growth in debt no doubt helped both countries, as well.

      But we seem to be reaching debt limits besides resource limits.

  20. MikeJones says:

    China CANCELS Argentina’s $6.5B Currency Lifeline – This Changes Everything
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u8i30EZdSRU
    China just froze a huge currency swap line with Argentina. This will complicate Milei’s inflation fight and the battle to revive the Argentine economy. Thanks to his new stance to break away from BRICS and move away from China to the US, Milei might have cut the country away from vital currencies that is needed to buy imports. Here’s what you must know!
    This can only mean one thing… Milei made a deal with US behind closed doors… using the IMF loan as leverage… Argentina will be ripe for US “investment” of their key mineral resources and other monetizable assets…

  21. Fast Eddy says:

    Everything is a lie… this is a big fat headline on the BBG Home Page:

    Electric Cars Are Driving China Toward the End of the Age of Oil

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-china-ev-roadtrip-oil-turning-point/

    I think everyone on OFW can agree that this is a lie… EVs are tiny fraction of all vehicles in China …

    And we know that most of China’s energy is generated by fossil fuels.

    Even so-called renewable energy does not exist with the diesel and coal required to manufacture them.

    So yes… the story — top to bottom — is a complete lie. Anyone who disagrees with that is a TFI – agreed? Yes good agreed.

    If that headline is a lie… might not all the headlines be lies? https://www.bloomberg.com/asia

    Keep in mind most people who read this headline Electric Cars Are Driving China Toward the End of the Age of Oil believe this is true. They have no doubt at all about this.

    Are you being played? How can you know?

    Most of the time you can’t.

    But fortunately FE is here to help you … HE can’t always find the truth… but HE can help you understand that everything is fake – everything is a lie…

    Snatch the pebble…

  22. Fast Eddy says:

    Everything is a lie

    How the institution of medicine covers up the inevitable harms of its unsafe therapeutic toolbox.

    In a recent series, I discussed the how unsafe and ineffective the SSRI antidepressants are and how the immense amount of money made from selling depression (and its indefinite “treatment”) to everyone caused effective cures treatments for depression to become almost completely forgotten.

    One of the key reasons I focused on this topic on this topic was because psychological torture many individuals go through throughout the psychiatric process is horrific.

    This is because the psychiatric medications create a wide variety of neurological and psychiatric side effects, but when a patient complains about them, the doctor will often tell the patient those side effects are due to the patient’s pre-existing mental illness rather than being a commonly recognized side effect of the drugs.

    Furthermore, since “mentally ill” patients are often deemed to lack the capacity to make their own judgement, whereas psychiatrists are seen as authority figures, I have seen more cases than I can count where everyone (e.g., the patient’s family and the courts [which frequently mandate treatment]) side with the psychiatrist rather than the patient, in turn all insisting those side effects are due to the patient’s mental illness and force the patient to take even more psychiatric drugs.

    Note: this gets even more challenging for the patient when they begin to lose their grip on reality from the side effects of the drug and start questioning their own judgement or if they should give up on themselves and just blindly trust the authority figures around them.

    Some of the classic ways psychiatry gaslights patients includes:

    https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/a-primer-on-medical-gaslighting-e11

  23. Ed says:

    Space habitat design by O’Neill

    • ivanislav says:

      45 years ago, they were so optimistic, discussing what “will” happen in the future as though it were certain. This guy is like a young Kurzweil or Keith Hensen or Dennis. Unfortunately he passed away in 1992 and never got to see the devolution of our species.

      • Kowalainen says:

        Devolution and disillusionment from and of a defunct species is such a blessing.

        Extinction feels so, definitive, abrupt. It’s better having them endure a long and arduous process straight back up into the trees. Just a few rags, some crude tools and they’ll be comfortably swinging in the treetops, generation after generation. Well, at least until the sun goes out with a wimpier. Luckily that will take quite some time. Lots of suffering and misery in the mean time.

        It’s all good.

        The endless recurrence of the Hyoer!
        All retch and no vomit in perpetuity!
        It’s the Monkey Business!
        Of a Rapacious Primate!
        Amen 🙏

        🤣👍👍

      • hkeithhenson says:

        “This guy is like a young”

        O’Neill was 15 years older than I am.

        I knew him, not really well, because of the cultural gap between Boston Brahmans and western folks. I just read the Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerard_K._O%27Neill

        It tells his story well.

        • O’Neill born in Brooklyn

          I did not know you were a Boston Brahmin. Which might explain why you feel like you have a stake in civilization – you do.

          • hkeithhenson says:

            “Boston Brahmin”

            You misread that. O’Neil was high culture Eastern and I was from lowly western culture, degree from the U of Arizona.

            Perhaps I make too much out of this.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Obese … diabetes and heart disease riddled… flopped on the sofa stuffing KfC and soda into the maw — watching Dancing with Stars… and dreaming of being an influencer…

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      Antarctica is far more hospitable than “Space”.

  24. Fast Eddy says:

    “This year, 158,000 more Americans died than expected. That’s more than all wars combined since Vietnam.”

    While the FDA blames this on smoking and bad diet, Dr. Pierre Kory has another explanation:

    “Something happened in the middle of COVID that thou shalt not speak its name,” he says.

    Deaths among 35-44 year olds rose 26% this spring, while deaths among 25-34 year olds rose 19% above pre-COVID levels.

    https://t.me/EdwardDowdReal/511

    hahahahaha

  25. Mirror on the wall says:

    Happy holidays to all on OFW regardless of no/ whatever religion, everyone is dear.

    It is that Slade time of year again.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      I hereby declare 2024 the Year of the Vaccine Injury and Extreme SCHAD.

      • Kowalainen says:

        That’s still 2023, let’s wish for a 2024 to be the year of the Unfettered Hyper. Full bore vax0red up loonies hauled straight into the mental asylums.

        A final ‘oorah for the Rapacious Primate. It will be glorious.
        🤥🦧💨

    • Tim Groves says:

      “Girls grab the boys”? No, no, no, no, no! We can’t have such LGBTQ+-exclusionary lyrics in 2023. Someone might be offended!

  26. Fast Eddy says:

    Only 6.9% of homes for sale in 2023 were affordable for the typical Black household, compared with 21.6% for the typical white household. The share was nearly as low for Hispanic/Latino households (10.4%) and was highest for Asian households (27.4%).

    https://www.redfin.com/news/share-of-homes-affordable-2023/

    • There are now three homes for sale in our neighborhood. There is also a renovated home that the owners want to rent out for an outrageous amount ($4,600 per month). The house next door was previously a rental, but it is now being renovated with the idea of selling it at an outrageous price.

      I can believe that home prices will fall. Many of the people living in the neighborhood are students (some of them graduate students), renting a house. The homes were generally built in the 1970s, mostly of wood construction. By now, they are in need of renovation. But this is not a fancy part of town. It is hard to believe the high prices will stick.

      • Dennis L. says:

        It is a long term asset available with fixed rate mortgages. Not many other things most can purchase. Overall, houses have gone up, government pays for things with debt.

        Limiting factor will be government ability to print debt. Debt fuels military to tune of $1T, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, highways, etc.

        Ukrainian money is probably going mostly for payrolls in US. When that stops, things slow down. Same with Israel arms.

        Dennis L.

  27. Fast Eddy says:

    https://mishtalk.com/economics/huge-thud-in-new-home-sales-down-12-2-percent-in-november/

    Forgot to mention .. was speaking to a neighbour who is a retired builder… and he told me that yet another one of the major builders has had huge number of house builds cancelled…

    Things are heating up — the layoffs must be happening … if this is happening in QT it’s happening everywhere… those interest rates and build cost inflation are building into a perfect storm

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      time to head for Perth.

      but probably happening there too.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        My agent has not ABCed there f888ers… He needs to get them to Sign on the Dotted Line… so we can get the F888 out of Plough Hog land … before it sinks

  28. California has some sense:
    https://energycentral.com/news/diablo-canyon-last-remaining-nuclear-power-plant-california-gets-lifeline-0

    Diablo Canyon, the last remaining nuclear power plant in California, gets a lifeline

    The California Public Utilities Commission approved a plan Thursday to keep the Diablo Canyon Power Plant near San Luis Obispo open for at least six more years. . .

    The legislation included a provision allowing PG&E to access a $1.4 billion forgivable loan that would be collected from rates collected by all customers who are served by the utilities commission, known as the CPUC for short.

    That would include San Diego Gas & Electric customers, as well as those served by the two community choice energy programs in the area – San Diego Community Power and the Clean Energy Alliance.

    The Utilities Reform Network (TURN), a consumer group based in San Francisco, is concerned that last-minute revisions approved by the CPUC on Thursday could leave ratepayers on the hook.

    “We’re very disturbed that the proposed decision may allow PG&E to collect a $1.4 billion slush fund from ratepayers that it would use specifically to protect its shareholders from any liability for core performance,” TURN staff attorney Matthew Freedman said.

    To help defray the costs of the loan, PG&E applied for funding from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Civil Nuclear Credit Program. In November 2022, PG&E announced it received a conditional award of about $1.1 billion from the Department of Energy to keep Diablo Canyon open.

    In my view, the problem is the goofy pricing system for renewables. It drives nuclear out of business by forcing the rates paid to other electricity producers, particularly nuclear, too low. They are forced to endure negative wholesale electricity rates. Other producers that can reduce electricity production to zero quickly can deal with them much better. So nuclear gets hit particularly hard. This prevents future nuclear from being profitable, anywhere in the world where wind and solar are used.

  29. MG says:

    This year we celebrate the 800th anniversary of the Christmas crib – a Franciscan invention that depicts the birth of the human being into the degraded environment in the time of the energy collapse.

    https://www.iubilaeum2025.va/en/notizie/comunicati/2023/800-anni-greccio.html

  30. MikeJones says:

    I smell the strong scent of a war coming on the horizon..

    The Chinese yuan’s share of global payments climbs to a record high while US dollar’s share dips Filip De Mott Dec 21, 2023, 3:35 PM EST Business Insider

    The Chinese yuan was the fourth most used currency in global payments, SWIFT data showed.

    It’s share reached 4.61%, a record high, and was nearly double last year’s levels.

    That’s as Beijing has pushed to internationalize the yuan through cross-border lending and currency swaps.

    The world’s other top currencies also lost a bit of share during the month. The dollar’s dipped to 47.08% from 47.25%, the euro’s fell to 22.95% from 23.36%, and the pound’s eased to 7.15% from 7.33%.

    While the moves for the top three currencies and the yen are slight on an individual basis, collectively they add up to more than 1 percentage point of share.

    Also, Since Argentina announced it’s intent to adopt the US Dollar, China has pulled their pledge of a 6.8 billion lifeline..tit for tat..this is getting serious

  31. MikeJones says:

    The Matrix is very strong…listening to two guys about how they are maxing out their retirement plans and doing massive extra hours thinking their saving will be there to kick back and enjoy their golden years..
    Can’t point out the obvious…why do so and ruin their fantasy…
    Perhaps the can will be kicked down the road and as Art Berman confessed to Nate Hagen in their chat ..we were totally wrong about peak oil back in 2008…
    I hope Fast Eddie here is totally wrong about the UEP now here in 2023…well should write 2024…

    • The idea that “money is a store of value” is embedded in everyone’s mind. People cannot understand how that could fail to be the case. There are at least three potential issues:

      (1) There will be practically nothing to buy.
      (2) There will be so much other money that inflation will make the buying power of the money disappear (first slowly, then more rapidly).
      (3) The system will crumble. For example, all your money will be online, and electricity will be lost. Or, the “United States of America” will disappear, and each state will have its own currency, but these currencies will not be interchangeable, and will not recognize your prior savings.

      I am not sure whether “Stock markets will crash” and “The debt bubble will collapse” should be added to this list. Also “Banks will fail and insurance companies issuing annuities will fail, as will pension plans.” These outcomes assume that the debt bubble holding up the financial system will completely collapse. But I expect that governments, to the extent that they can, will try to print money to prop up the failing system. This will lead to hyperinflation and Issue (2).

      • Dennis L. says:

        “Or, the “United States of America” will disappear,”

        That is possible. Watch SS, if it fails, that is a transgenerational glue. If the feds cannot send money to states, states will ignore the fed.

        It may be deflation, I lean that way simply as inflation has gone on so long. E.G. a large truck has little value with insufficient funds to pay the debt.

        A guess is college tuition is about to crater in many sectors, Harvard has ruined the brand and second level schools probably aren’t worth the cost. If the US is loosing its leadership status, then the value of leaders will decline and the value of the Harvard and others will decline.

        Hard to say.

        Dennis L.

        • You raise good points. It seems like something has to change.

          • if a group of states unify, they are held together only by the glue of common prosperity.

            that defines the united states precisely—there was plenty for all. Europe too

            remove that prosperity and they will come apart…..not only that but they will do it in a state of conflict and denial and blame.

            MAGA cannot be—we all know why.

            but 70m idiots dont believe that.

            decline will bring violence, and likely civil war, with each trying to grab a piece of what’s left

            to think otherwise is to live a fantasy.

            • I am afraid you are correct.

            • Ed says:

              MAGA is doing fine. Looking forward to the next Trump term.

              Needless to say NY’s electoral will go to the usurper but at least my vote will add to the landslide majority for Trump.

            • ed

              i like you comments—no use just reading stuff that’s ”in agreement” with me.

              they make me clarify my own thinking….maybe i’m wrong after all. (it has been known)–maybe the don really does have your welfare at heart…lol.

              Unfortunately the United States became ‘great’ on energy surpluses. When a fully armed nation finds itself in economic collapse, what dyou think is likely to happen?

              Where I live, UK–went through exactly the same ”energy pulse phase” in the previous century–our empire collapsed too.—but we are not allowed to have guns.

              no way that ‘Great Britain’ could be made great again, even though we get jingoistic about it.

              The USA has been through exactly the same phase in the 20th c–the ”american dream” can be dated precisely—1945–1970

              that was the prosperity boost from ww2—nothing more.
              it was created to keep you all in jobs.

              electing a charlatan won’t alter economic reality i’m afraid—prosperity cannot be voted for….no matter what promises a politician makes.

              maybe you want a dictator–fantasising that you will benefit at the expense of ”lesser people”–you wont.—little people like us never do—history confirms that.

              when he was leading chants of ”lock her up”—do you think he was just kidding?–do you really want a potus with jesusfreaks dancing round his desk?

              i can’t forecast when economic collapse will come–but electing a crook will speed it up–having to settle a $25m lawsuit before taking office last time should have set off alarm bells.—Obviously you are deaf.

              i was writing ”mid 2020s” ten years ago though—thats not looking too far off right now.

              i watch US politics in horror–i can see where it’s headed.—discussing it all clears my thinking on the subject.

              https://medium.com/p/9fab37c44b0b

            • Tim Groves says:

              Norman, he had four years to lock her up, and not a single charge was brought against her in all that time. No sooner was he elected in 2016 than he backtracked and said he didn’t want to pursue a criminal investigation of her actions. Not even a slap on the wrist.

              You could call it a magnanimous gesture or you could call it evidence that him and her are on the same team.

              Anyway, I haz a question: Why does it bother you that Trump might want to investigate Hillary Clinton? Have you got a crush on her or something?

            • tim

              i try to credit your comments with an undaft label

              don’t make that difficult.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              norm’s fantasy is a 3-way with HRC and Pelosi…. ugh…. I feel the need to vomit….

            • Ed says:

              Norman, I do not like to see people reflexively going against Trump. So I take the other side.

              I am greatly concerned that both Trump and Kennedy and Haley have taken the kill all Muslim line to get elected. Almost makes Biden look like the peace candidate.

              Yes, we do have an energy per capita problem and no politician is willing to talk about it. As pressing is the cultural warfare of neutering six year old girls and boys. Along with whites are evil, men are evil, western civilization is evil, unlimited immigration is good. For the culture war issue Trump sounds good.

              I do not watch or read the MSM so I do not know the narrative being cast about Trump. NY is not a swing state so my vote does not matter. Would I contribute money to the three ring circus HECK NO.

            • dunno where you get ”neutering 6 yr old girls”—we obviously absorb different media

              i’d rather stay out of that one

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Don’t get too worked up … it’s all fake….. they are actors in a TEEv series… it’s like hating or loving one of the characters in Days of Our Lives…

              They have no power… they just read off of the teleprompter and do what they are told….

              It’s like watching two sports teams and believing the outcome is meaningful… world changing…

              I highly recommend not voting … you make a fool of yourself.

        • Ed says:

          Boston, Massachusetts, Harvard were not founded by the Jews. Without Jews customers Harvard can return to its former glory.

          • Ed says:

            The same is true for all of the ivy league.

            I am most please Columbia University did not fall for the get raked over the coal with congress. NYC is more sophisticated Jewish money and Arab money can peacefully coexist at Columbia.

            • Also they should strike down all the diplomas given to people not exactly part of Western Civ, regardless of birthplaces

            • JesseJames says:

              Earlier this year we hired a newly minted engineering PhD from an un-named ivy league school. Learning more details on the PhD project leads me to believe the degree mill was in action. It was mostly self-funded doctoral project (of dubious difficulty) and the university was only too happy to grant the piece of paper in exchange for income.

        • hkeithhenson says:

          “Harvard has ruined the brand ”

          The only person I know who understands the value of a Harvard education is Esther Dyson. She did very well understanding that it is the people you get to know at a place like Harvard. Look up her Wikipedia page.

  32. I AM THE MOB says:

    BREAKING: Andrew Tate’s mother suffers heart attack and is in hospital

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12890645/andrew-tate-mother-heart-attack-surgery.html

    • Withnail says:

      Thank you for the update on the health status of the relative of a Z list online pseudo celebrity. It’s this kind of post that really helps us understand today’s energy issues.

    • MikeJones says:

      Oh no, not another heart attack…what’s going on 💔 here…I demand an investigation…
      Cheng, senior and co-corresponding author of the study, told TODAY correspondent Erin McLaughlin that people ages 25 to 44 saw a nearly 30% increase in heart attack deaths over the first two years of the pandemic—a surprising finding without a clear explanation.Mar 3, 2023
      https://www.cedars-sinai.org › toda…
      TODAY: Young People Are More Likely to Die of Heart Attacks Post …

      Physical Health Benefits of Walking, Improves cardiovascular health and lowers the risk of heart disease:, Aids in weight management and promotes healthy metabolism:Strengthens bones and muscles:Enhances immune system functioning:Mental Health Benefits of WalkingReduces stress, anxiety, and depression: Boosts mood and improves overall mental well-being:
      Enhances cognitive function and brain health: Studies linking walking and increased lifespan: Lowering the risk of chronic diseases and age-related conditions: The role of walking in healthy aging:

      Only recently in human timeline have we been sitting on our butts..
      I walk at least 6 to 9 miles a day..2 to 3 hours breaking it up
      Was 210lbs in 2013…now 165lbs…and my yearly checkup is just great.

      Just pointing out the obvious…many health issues cone from being a sloth

      • Fast Eddy says:

        So what… 30% is not enough… what I want to see is 30% of all people in that age bracket having heart attacks…

        Now THAT… would get noticed hahaha

        • MikeJones says:

          Not surprising, most in lockdown sat on their fat fannies and gained weight and ate comfort foods..
          Most of the young folks I’m in contact with now are literally GLUED to screens…either TV or Tablet…and only know how to move their fingers..
          Very sad…yes, Eddie, I’m surprised the increase hasn’t been much higher….

    • ivanislav says:

      UK. Jabbed.

  33. Dennis L. says:

    I see this up close and personal in my school and class. It is real.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/college-students-are-struggling-to-get-enough-to-eat-the-growing-problem-is-largely-invisible/ar-AA1lTHru

    My personal solution is a box of 8 cans of chili (Marie Callender’s) from Sams each week to the pantry.

    Fabric of the universe:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKWM76weXBc

    Weinstein is lamenting where western civ has gone and how “he” can solve it. We don’t invent our lives, we discover how to live them, self determination is a myth in extremis.

    Wow, not he thinks atheism was a mistake, he was/is an evolutionist who can’t answer what was before evolution.

    I am a Madison, math graduate as well as some graduate school. I have never used what I learned, I made my life from a trade school, dentistry, I made my business from lessons learned doing lab work for other dentists while a dental student. Business school taught me accounting, double entry. I am now in EE trade school, the kids graduate in two years and get relatively good jobs. Education works, but not liberal dictates.

    Powers that be are putting a thumb on the scale.

    Dennis L.

    • The universities near here have a problem with homeless students. I know that in the past they have collected food for distribution to these students. The students cannot afford the full cost of room and board, besides the high tuition and fees for everything under the sun (new football stadium, for example). So they only pay the minimum, and try to live in tents in the woods near the universities. If buildings are open, they will sleep on sofas in public spaces.

      • MikeJones says:

        Argentina here we come… stepping down like I posted yesterday

      • Dennis L. says:

        It sounds corny, but my heart breaks. Clean out administration and feed the students.

        I don’t see tents, but I hear the students, it is the same here.

         
        Dennis L.

        • Lots of deans of this and that who work on grant applications. Soak up resources. Also, many of the faculty do “research” much of the time, while low-paid part-timers teach the classes.

    • Withnail says:

      Why not try reading it, formulating some thoughts of your own and adding them to your post? You do have thoughts, don’t you?

      • raviuppal4 says:

        Doomberg does not know bat s**t about peak oil . Peak oil is not about the end of oil . It is about what Rockman at The Oil Drum called POD ( Peak Oil Dynamics) . It is about what it will do to trigger the end of industrial civilisation . The whole article is for paid subscribers only and I have no money to spare for crap . He should pursue abiotic oil ,

        • Withnail says:

          The whole article is for paid subscribers only

          People pay to read the ramblings of this cretin?

        • This is more about the common misbelief that if oil is scarce, its price will go up. This higher price will allow more oil to be extracted. This is only true to a very limited extent.

          History shows spiking commodity prices, (rising and falling), when past civilizations failed. The problem is too many very poor people who cannot afford goods that require oil for their production. Food is an example.

          If food supply is too much degraded, people fall into poor health. Excessive concern about trying to earn enough to support a family likely adds to the problem.

          A corollary view is that with high oil prices, “renewables” will suddenly become price-competitive. I don’t see that happening.

        • raviuppal4 says:

          World peak was 2018 . There is no “going back to the future ” . Decline rates , depletion , rust and aging never sleep .
          https://twitter.com/aeberman12/status/1738245790877765716/photo/1

        • raviuppal4 says:

          I have made several posts on fragility , complexity and how a minor hiccup can lead to major problem . A scenario . You are going from New York to Boston in a $ 100 ,000 Porsche and along halfway you have a minor accident. Nobody hurt , nothing major damaged , you can still drive . The only parts damaged are your side door rear view mirrors worth $ 100 . Now drive to Boston . Hope you are wearing diapers . 🙂 . A small hole can sink a big ship .

      • Fast Eddy says:

        All I need to know is that we are steaming oil out of sand…

  34. Fast Eddy says:

    Yes – there are many things we assume are true — cuz they said so

    https://madhavasetty.substack.com/p/the-solstice-the-solar-system-and

    • We assume many things are true.

      Everything I can see says that the Universe is continually being created by some outside Power. We humans on earth have virtually no power of it. We can choose to be happy with our place in the system, or not, but we don’t have a whole lot of control. World leaders can tell us that we can choose to stop climate change, but this is basically nonsense.

      There is a reason why we have religions. They recognize this lack of control over the system. None of the religions are completely correct, but we can learn from many of them. There seems to be a great deal of overlap in what they teach–how we should treat our neighbor (in time of enough to go around), for example.

      • or bump thy neighbour off if he overdoes the coveting part, or worships a god you don’t like

        • “Though shalt have no other gods before me.”

          Gods can be alongside or behind this god however. Anthropology seems to indicate that Jews had household gods as well, from what I have read.

          • what bothers me right now is the prospect of a potus with godbotherers laying hands on him again, with clowns like carla white dancing round speaking in tongues.

            it wouldnt matter if he was in the congo wearing a leopard skin

            but he isn’t.

            • Withnail says:

              what bothers me right now is the prospect of a potus

              As I keep saying, it is of zero importance who the President is.

              I live in the UK and have not voted in any election since the 1980s. Elections don’t matter. Politics is for low IQ people.

            • i too live in the uk

              potus doesnt matter—in the longer term, but in the short term he does.

              Trump is clearly unhinged, but those waiting in the wings are not..

              a rogue president can cause all kinds of problems, and you are not safe from that.

              imagine a financial collapse—highly likely—trump introduces martiial law to suppress civil unrest—he is 79—and clearly out of his depth.

              Flynn is made chief of staff ….highly likely again…. (or even VP). Trump is stupid, Flynn isnt.

              Flynn has held the highest rank in the army, and is a jesusfreak (while it suits him) he knows how to command.—soldiers will obey him.

              trump fails, flynn takes over, civil unrest is put down hard by the military—Flynn insists he is doing gods works.—he hangs on to ”emergency powers”—suspends the 28 election.

              (is this sounding familiar?)…forget the constitution.

              just an inspired guess–lets hope i’m wrong.–

            • Ed says:

              Donald will win for the third time in a row. After midnight the vote count will be rigged to show Joe winning. As Joe will do the most to destroy the deep state, the US military, the great satan, it is not all bad.

            • Tim Groves says:

              So, Norman, in order to prevent the cancellation of the 2028 presidential election, are you proposing to cancel the 2024 election?

              That way you could avoid having a deranged president who surrounds himself with God bothers and instead keep a deranged president who surrounds himself with men whose pronouns are she/her.

            • not suggesting anything

              merely pointing out likely outcomes of certain actions and events

              neither potus candidate is up to the job—no doubr biden would prefer to retire quietly.

              ive already written what will happen if there is economic collapse on the don’s watch—that isn’t a ”suggestion” at all—same with the cohesion of the united states.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Not that I care one way or the other cuz the Elders are in charge… but I asked a norm-like character why he hated Trump — specifically I asked him to list 3 policies that he was unhappy with…

              He struggled… waffled… then finally said — he didn’t like that Trump had reinstated the various sanctions on Cuba…

              I asked why that was such a big deal — he said that Cuba needed tourism…

              I said but Cuba is ruled by an oppressive dictatorship — and the dictators generally benefit from the tourism… so why not send the tourists to countries in the region that are freer … why support a commie dictatorship?

              No answer.

              He couldn’t come up with two more…

              He is a TFI… if you know what I mean.. he hates Trump cuz cnnbbc told him to hate him…. there is no logic … this is nothing more than the man on the TEEv told him to think this … so he thinks this

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Even though the Earth is spinning at well over 1000km per hour… we are not flung off as if we are on a centrifuge…. we are told whatever heap of bs that apparently explains this …

        Yet hop onto this and turn the speed up to 1000km per hour… and you’d be launched into the parking lot…

        https://kateannejack.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/vintage-merry-go-round.jpg

        To question this invites ridicule…

        • Kowalainen says:

          Type in data of the earth, compare the centripetal acceleration with the gravitational pull in Newtons.

          https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/centripetal-force

          Post your findings here.
          You’re welcome.

        • Withnail says:

          Even though the Earth is spinning at well over 1000km per hour… we are not flung off as if we are on a centrifuge…

          You appear to be having some trouble with the theory of gravity.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            or maybe it’s all just a simulation… just because we don’t get flung off does not prove the gravity theory … it could be a simulation and those are the rules that have been coded in … kinda like how you can’t make ice in a toaster … get it?

            This is other level stuff… a different paradigm … I understand that you would be unwilling to go there

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Oh and btw – if gravity — then why does the 1000 km per hour merry go round not follow the same rules … ah – cuz 1000+ + 1000 more overcomes gravity?

            But then the Earth spins at different speeds depending on how close to the equator you are…

            The Earth rotates on its axis once each day. Because the circumference of the Earth at the equator is 24,901.55 miles, a spot on the equator rotates at approximately 1,037.5646 miles per hour (1,037.5646 times 24 equals 24,901.55), or 1,669.8 km/h.

            At the North Pole (90 degrees north) and South Pole (90 degrees south), the speed is effectively zero because that spot rotates once in 24 hours, at a very, very slow speed.

            To determine the speed at any other latitude, simply multiply the cosine of the degree latitude times the speed of 1,037.5646.

            Thus, at 45 degrees north, the cosine is .7071068, so multiply .7071068 times 1,037.5464, and the speed of the rotation is 733.65611 miles per hour (1,180.7 km/h).

            For other latitudes the speed is:

            10 degrees: 1,021.7837 mph (1,644.4 km/h)
            20 degrees: 974.9747 mph (1,569.1 km/h)
            30 degrees: 898.54154 mph (1,446.1 km/h)
            40 degrees: 794.80665 mph (1,279.1 km/h)
            50 degrees: 666.92197 mph (1,073.3 km/h)
            60 degrees: 518.7732 mph (834.9 km/h)
            70 degrees: 354.86177 mph (571.1 km/h)
            80 degrees: 180.16804 mph (289.95 km/h)

            Is gravity different depending on where you are on the Earth? Gosh it really compensates perfectly to offset the rapid speed at the equator dunnit …

            Almost like it’s some kinda simulation — or maybe a creator just made it so… it’s utter perfection!

            Oh right the school book told you so … therefore it’s so… don’t question it…

            • Kowalainen says:

              The earths equatorial centrifugal acceleration is about 0.03394m/s^2, now subtract this from earths gravitational pull at 9,807m/s^2:

              9,807 – 0.03394 = 9,77306m/s^2

              So it seems gravitation “wins” over the centrifugal forces.

              You’re welcome.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              How convenient … gravity is just enough to offset the centrifugal force no matter if you are at the poles or the equator

              Verdict – simulation

          • eddy knows its all fake

            just like everything else

            • Kowalainen says:

              After all, it takes a full day (24h) for earth to make a revolution around its axis of rotation.

              Now imagine a bicycle or car wheel rotating at one revolution per day. No dirt or water would be flung off, merely fall or drip to the ground without any fanfare.

              Actually we got something even better, it is called a clock. A normal wall mounted clock.

              The movement of the hour dial is hardly even perceptible at double the speed (12h/rev) compared with the planets (24h/rev).

              Just to give it some perspective.

            • if i was in the habit of praying—i would pray that we have not descended from the low of moonshots and the rest—to the further depths of earth rotation being fake, just to be persuaded to bite on eddys latest slice of fruitcake

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Speed kills.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Eddy’s just provoking the conformists.

              🤣👍👍

          • ivanislav says:

            Stop teasing. All you spheroid-earthers appear to be wearing your tinfoil hats properly too tight, because you can’t think logically.

            The facts are the facts, most indubitably. The earth is flat and space is a lie. The firmament holds up the sky and you ellipsoid earthers are doing the devil’s work. His greatest trick is making you think he doesn’t exist!

        • JMS says:

          According to Simon Shack’s Tychos Theory,
          Earth’s orbital speed: 1.601169 km/h
          Earth’s Rotational speed: 0.0006963 rpm or 1674.36 km/h
          Earth moves daily by 38.428 km and by 14036 km each year

          https://book.tychos.space/appendices/2-appendix

          Also
          “1.The experiments performed to try and measure Earth’s translational motion, i.e. Earth’s supposed speed of 30 km/s – or 107226 km/h (or 90X the speed of sound!) as it purportedly hurtles around the Sun – as implied by the heliocentric theory (ALL such experiments having utterly failed to detect or confirm this expected, hypersonic velocity). There simply isn’t ANY scientific, experimental – or much less empirical evidence – in support of the Earth’s purported revolution around the Sun. Period.

          2: The experiments performed to measure Earth’s diurnal, 24-hour rotation, most of all having successfully confirmed the same. The body of evidence in support of Earth’s daily rotation around its polar axis – at the sluggish rate of 0.000694 rpm – is truly overwhelming, and ranks among the most robust experimental determinations ever attained by the human mind (Flat Earthers notwithstanding…). After all, we can empirically observe that all of the visible planets and moons in our skies rotate around their axes – and this fact is truly beyond dispute.”

          https://book.tychos.space/chapters/24-dayton-miller

          • this is the best take on it jms, from monty python

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk

            and its followed by the lumberjack song—just as a bonus

            • JMS says:

              Only Eric Idle could sing an encyclopedia entry and still be funny.

              But as you yourself teach us here every day, being funny is different from being right.

          • Kowalainen says:

            Yes, looking at the hour hand of a clock sort of gives an indication of the speed at which the earth rotates around its axis.

            Quite sluggish indeed.

            But don’t let reason fool you as the planet is rather big and thus tangential speed is rather fast, and as we all know, speed kills and causes bodies to be flung left, right, center and in the tangent.

            • JMS says:

              I can’t really follow Shack’s argument, since I don’t know physics, but I can’t help but be fascinated by the idea that Copernicus was wrong and Tycho Brahe (a little more) right. I admit that Operations 911, Convid and Globalwarming made me develop a soft spot for the business of demolishing Established Scientific Theories, but it seems wise to take a good look at Schack’s theory before dismissing it.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            That would appear to indicate this was planned… coded … surely that could not just happen…

            Verdict – S. Simulation

          • Fast Eddy says:

            And how is it … that Earth is perfectly positioned so as not to be broiled by the sun … nor too far to be too cold to support life?

            V S.Simulation

            • Kowalainen says:

              I reckon we’d not have this illuminating conversation without the earth happening to be where it is, which is the blatantly obvious reason.

              Of course hyper intelligent and crafty aliens could have shuffled planets and stars around just to enable life, and then play it like an IRL game of StarCraft. However, not much sighting of them at all, they must indeed be a bunch of clandestine and “crafty” bastards. But for sure, it ain’t stars they’re playing on earth. More like HalfwitCraft.

              Or perhaps it is a simulation, but then one has to explain the computer system in which this hoopla is executing.

              Then apply Occam’s razor on these hypotheses. I wish you good luck.👍

      • Student says:

        I fully agree Gail, many thanks for your considerations.

      • hkeithhenson says:

        At the root, religious are xenophobic memes. The ability of humans to have them is due to selection for wars.

  35. Fast Eddy says:

    Summary: a study of humans suffering from Long Covid analyzed their cellular DNA. The authors unexpectedly found genes uniquely specific to the Pfizer COVID vaccine in human blood cells. This finding proves that mRNA COVID vaccines permanently integrate into the DNA of some COVID-vaccinated people.

    https://www.igor-chudov.com/p/covid-vaccines-integrate-into-human

    Excellent – I am sure it’s for a good purpose

    • Rodster says:

      Danish Healthcare Trainee Seeks $1.6 Million Compensation After Severe COVID-19 Vaccine Injury

      https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/danish-healthcare-trainee-seeks-16-million-compensation-after-severe-covid-19-vaccine

      “A 30-year-old Danish healthcare trainee is seeking $1.6 million in compensation through Denmark’s workers’ compensation program, after sustaining major injuries from a single dose of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine, Berlingske reports.

      Jasmin Jenson took the jab on February 27, 2021 – just 12 days before the Danish Health Authority paused the use of the vaccine. Jenson, who was interning at a residence for autistic individuals, experienced a reaction to the vaccine just hours after being injected. She subsequently became so ill that she had to give up her education.”

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I SCHAD when anyone involved in health care gets injured… if I know that it takes a decade or more to long test a vaxxxine… then they should know.

        So f789 them … every last one of them …

        From my experience health care workers are the most indoctrinated of all… they absolutely do not question whatever edict is issued by their governing bodies…

        I say again – F789 them all … they deserve to SUFFER

    • I have a real problem with whether we really can expect to integrate wind and solar into the grid, once the percentage of variable renewables goes over a fairly small percentage. For one thing, the pricing scheme drives the fossil fuel providers out of the system. The grid cannot be integrated that way!

      • adrian says:

        I was being tongue in cheek re the smiley face. I have no idea how trustworthy their calculations are.

      • Jan says:

        No problem, simple island installations provide enough electricity for light. Wonderful for remote aeras, offgrid cabins, blackouts – the only question is, do they produce energy? Taking into account all that glass, alu, semiconductor, transport? I guess not!

  36. moss says:

    There’s never just one cockroach
    And potentially a biggie, this.
    Major precious metals retailer and refiner, Kitco, has announced that the company was hacked a week ago and its website still remains inoperative
    Not much reporting on this other than Bloomberg
    bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-19/gold-retailer-kitco-website-disrupted-in-cybersecuity-incident

    I’ve do dog in this race (other than the loss of a couple of daily charts which I expect I can find elsewhere if it doesn’t come back) but curiosity impelled me to have a closer look
    hmmm … unallocated pools; way back reddit rumours, company plans timelineless investigation, data losses unknown four business days later.
    Mt Gox mk2?

  37. Fast Eddy says:

    Like the India moon thing… most people think this is real — that he is so f789ed he doesn’t even know where he is https://t.me/leaklive/17377

    I betcha he goes back stage and has a chuckle

    This is D-MORALIZATION in action … this is IDIOCRACY … it is not real… he is acting

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    Here are the visitors to Jeffrey Epstein’s island who were confirmed:

    ▪️Adam Perry Lang
    ▪️Akon
    ▪️Al Gore
    ▪️Alan Dershowitz
    ▪️Albert Pinto
    ▪️Alee Baldwin
    ▪️Allison Mack
    ▪️Alyssa Rogers
    ▪️Anderson Cooper
    ▪️Andrea Mitrovich
    ▪️Andres Pastrana
    ▪️Angelina Jolie
    ▪️Anthony Kiedis
    ▪️Anthony Weiner
    ▪️Barack Obama
    ▪️Ben Affleck
    ▪️Bernie Sanders
    ▪️Beyonce
    ▪️Bill Clinton
    ▪️Bill Gates
    ▪️Bob Saget (deceased)
    ▪️Bruce Willis
    ▪️Casey Wasserman
    ▪️Callum Hudson-Odoi
    ▪️Celine Dion
    ▪️Charles Barkley
    ▪️Charlie Sheen
    ▪️Charlize Theron
    ▪️Chelsea Handler
    ▪️Cher
    ▪️Chris Tucker
    ▪️Chris Wagner
    ▪️Chrissy Teigen
    ▪️Cyndi Lauper
    ▪️Claire Hazel
    ▪️Courteney Cox
    ▪️Courtney Love
    ▪️Demi Moore
    ▪️Dan Schneider
    ▪️David Koch
    ▪️David Spade
    ▪️David Yarovesky
    ▪️Dolores Zorreguieta
    ▪️Donovan Mitchell
    ▪️Doug Band
    ▪️Drew Barrymore
    ▪️Ed Buck
    ▪️Ed Tuttle
    ▪️Ehud Barak
    ▪️Ellen DeGeneres
    ▪️Ellen Spencer
    ▪️Eminem
    ▪️Emmy Tayler
    ▪️Fleur Perry Lang
    ▪️Francis X. Suarez
    ▪️Freya Wissing
    ▪️Gary Roxburgh (pilot)
    ▪️George Clooney
    ▪️Ghislaine Maxwell
    ▪️Glenn Dubin
    ▪️Greg Holbert (deceased)
    ▪️Gwen Stefani
    ▪️Gwendolyn Beck
    ▪️Hank Coller (pilot)
    ▪️Heather Mann
    ▪️Heidi Klum
    ▪️Henry Rosovsky
    ▪️Hillary Clinton
    ▪️James Franco
    ▪️James Gunn
    ▪️Jay-Z
    ▪️Jean-Luc Brunel (deceased)
    ▪️Jean-Michel Gathy
    ▪️Jeffrey Jones (deceased)
    ▪️Jim Carrey
    ▪️Jimmy Kimmel
    ▪️Joe Biden
    ▪️Joe Pagano
    ▪️John Cusack
    ▪️John Legend
    ▪️John Podesta
    ▪️John Travolta
    ▪️Joy Behar
    ▪️Juan Pablo Molyneux
    ▪️Juliette Bryant
    ▪️Justin Roiland
    ▪️Justin Trudeau
    ▪️Kathy Griffin
    ▪️Katy Perry
    ▪️Kelly Spam
    ▪️Kevin Spacey
    ▪️Kirsten Gillibrand
    ▪️Kristy Rogers (deceased)
    ▪️Lady Gaga
    ▪️Larry Summers
    ▪️Larry Visoski (pilot)
    ▪️Laura Z. Wasserman
    ▪️Lawrence M. Krauss
    ▪️Linda Pinto
    ▪️Lisa Summers
    ▪️Lynn Forester de Rothchild
    ▪️Madonna
    ▪️Mandy Ellison (assistant)
    ▪️Mare Collins-Rector
    ▪️Marina Abramovic
    ▪️Mark Epstein
    ▪️Mark Lloyd
    ▪️Melinda Luntz
    ▪️Meryl Streep
    ▪️Michelle Obama
    ▪️Michelle Wolf
    ▪️Mikel Arteta
    ▪️Miley Cyrus
    ▪️Nadine Dorries
    ▪️Naomi Campbell
    ▪️Naomi Watts
    ▪️Natalie Blachon de Perrier
    ▪️Nicole Junkermann
    ▪️Olga Kurylenko
    ▪️Oliver Sacks
    ▪️Oprah
    ▪️Orlando Bloom
    ▪️Paris Hilton
    ▪️Patton Oswatt
    ▪️Paul Mellon
    ▪️Paula Epstein (deceased)
    ▪️Paula Hala
    ▪️Peter P. Marino
    ▪️Pharrell Williams
    ▪️Prince Andrew
    ▪️Prince Charles
    ▪️Quentin Tarantino
    ▪️Rachel Maddow
    ▪️Rainn Wilson
    ▪️Ralph Ellison
    ▪️Ray Barzana (pilot)
    ▪️Ricardo Legorreta Vilchis
    ▪️Rihanna
    ▪️Rita Wilson
    ▪️Rob Reiner
    ▪️Robert DeNiro
    ▪️Robert Downey Jr.
    ▪️Rodney E. Slater
    ▪️Ronald Burkle
    ▪️Rudy Gobert
    ▪️Sander Burger
    ▪️Sarah Kellen (assistant)
    ▪️Sarah Silverman
    ▪️Seth Green
    ▪️Shelley Harrison
    ▪️Shelley Lewis
    ▪️Sophie Biddle-Hakim
    ▪️Sophie Trudeau
    ▪️Stephen Collins
    ▪️Stephen Colbert
    ▪️Steven Spielberg
    ▪️Steven Tyler
    ▪️Svetlana Glazunova
    ▪️Teala Davies
    ▪️Tiffany Gramza
    ▪️Tom Hanks
    ▪️Tom Pritzker
    ▪️Tyler Grasham (deceased)
    ▪️Victor Salva
    ▪️Wanda Sykes
    ▪️Whoopi Goldberg

    • ivanislav says:

      Lotta women on that list.

      • Sam says:

        Yes that’s wierd a lot of the government officials are left out

      • Kowalainen says:

        Wimmins got no perversions, yes? I’m sure late Epstein could gather up a few viagra infused gigolos to serve those vulgarities.

        • women are always the driving force in that respect

          they just let men think otherwise, so they feel all macho.

          • Kowalainen says:

            Right, they’ve gotta keep the unattractive and thirsty Beta Bobs yearning, how else could they project statuses, prestiges and successes on asocial media without the usual tryhard attaboy antics pretending to be macho, and grinding away in the churn of BAU for essentially enabling a very expensive projection of vanity.

            But secretly, oh yes indeed. 50 shades of grey, need I say moar?

            How about:
            YOLO!
            HYPERS GONNA HYPER!
            TRYHARDS GONNA TRYHARD!
            MOARons GONNA MOAR!
            😅

            It is not even absurd with the Basic B17ch 304 spreading the legs and immediately afterwards developing a sense of self entitlement. Wut? 🤷‍♂️

            Nope, ain’t gonna happen babe!
            Cya! 👋

            You should try it Normal. Yes indeed, give it a go. Drop ‘em balls on the table and bang out the truth. Let’s see if you can suck up the fallout without whimpering back for forgiveness after 10 minutes out in the cold, all alone and absent of cozy female validation.

            YES YOU CAN!!!1!1!!1!!
            DO IT!!1!1!!1!!!-!!!!!

            🤣👍👍

            • 50 shades of grey was such an ill informed book and movie, one of the worst ever, that the author should have been prosecuted under the trades descriptions act—at least in uk. (certainly not for porn—it was laughable, but in a sad way.)—just didnt have a clue.

              your crude comment suggests that you thought otherwise.—made little if any sense anyway—a scrabble bag comment i would put it.

              i guess your mentor might know what you were banging on about.

              oh well, i am not in the teaching business in that respect—either you know—or you do not.—you, i fear, do not.—too late to learn i guess. some are incapable of learning.

              but hey—for £120 m, I could have written rubbish like that, but would have been too embarrassed to add my own name to it.

            • Kowalainen says:

              I thought 50 shades of grey is a book only cheap an’ nasty 304’s read.

              Paradoxically it still holds true.

              YES YOU CAN1!1!!!1!!
              DO IT!!!1!!!1!!!!!1

              https://youtu.be/MM9OzjZeP14?si=NiCs4krKK085p3Tf

              🤣👍👍

            • kow

              i file your links alongside eddys

              one day you might make a comment that makes sense

            • Tim Groves says:

              Kow, congratulations!

              You’ve got your own personal page in Norman’s Filofax.

    • MikeJones says:

      How come I’m not on the list! Put my name down now…I want to hang with Robert Downey Jr. ….I am IRONMAN
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4-ftbs8TppY&pp=ygUMSSBhbSBpcm9ubWFu

      Genius, Billionaire, Playboy, Philanthropist” Tony Stark vs Steve Rogers – The Avengers (2012)
      What’s so odd about him being friends with Eppie?$$
      Some people don’t wish to go to Argentina, Bolivia or Thailand for their thrills

      • Fast Eddy says:

        That’s cuz you are not in The Club. Recall in the Matrix how they offered nemo whatever he wanted (rockstar etc) if he betrayed his mates — he was being invited to join The Club.

        That’s the holy grail of existence in the Matrix… to be in …The Club.

        It’s a very tough ticket.

        Most people do not even know that there is a Club

        It’s possible that lizards be there

        Well this is odd.. I am struggling to find that clip … this has replaced it (no video of course)

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3738862/Hillary-Clinton-seizure-camera-right-wing-conspiracy-theorists-claim.html

        Ah… here is is … the cnnbbc clips of it have been wiped

        I don’t think this is a seizure… more like a glitch? Funny how nobody says much about it… of course they don’t … cuz cnnbbc doesn’t tell them it’s much of anything …

        But WTF is this??? It’s not normal… it’s not a seizure…

    • Tim Groves says:

      What I find most interesting about this list is that there are no unexpected names on it. Almost all the showbiz names on that list who I recognize has been a Trump-hatin’, jab-pushin’, Black Wives Chatter supportin’, narrative-huggin’ shill that reguritates the same talking points as all most all the other showbiz names.

  39. Fast Eddy says:

    https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/three-ways-mrna-shots-can-hurt-your

    Spreading some holiday cheer!!!

    Fast Eddy
    3 hrs ago
    What happens if the folks who did this .. were to release a pathogen specifically engineered to not be recognized by the confused/damaged immune system… and spread throughout the body?

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    Our T helper cells or CD4 cells get continuosly trained and replenished in the thymus gland to be able to recognize any possible protein that could ever exist in the entire universe, even ones scientists haven’t even thought of yet. This is the only way we can survive as a species, and will continue to survive. The mechanism that makes this possible is called VDJ recombination. I suppose it’s possible for human loss of life reaching biblical proportions would be possible if they figure out a way to disrupt VDJ recombination.

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    Bossche said the other day that he expects a 40% mortality rate in the Vaxxers.

    He believes this will be caused by a deadly mutation.

    I am far more cynical… I believe it will be caused by a lab made pathogen.

    Assume he is correct and 40% of the Vaxxers die (the more you have boosted the more likely you are to die)… but all of them become dreadfully ill to some degree.

    This will collapse the supply chains – no food – no petrol etc… the financial system will vapourize.

    Consider the impact on those still alive — they will be terrified. They will lock down and hammer their doors and windows shut.

    Unvaxxed squads of snipers supported by drones will kill anyone who dares to venture outside – who would venture outside when there are dead bodies and no food? When the plague is raging….

    And they will weaken… and starve to death.

    I suppose it’s better than the alternative … the global economy is on the precipice right now — they cannot control inflation – if they do nothing 8B will tear each other to pieces

    Details here https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=220

  40. houtskool says:

    Central banks are adjusting their gold to gdp to population ratios, in a coordinated fashion.

    To me that means the debt based currency regime will chime out some useless eaters in due time.

    And that means the definition of useless eaters is about to be adjusted also.

    ‘From labor to assets, from assets to forced labor’, as a Good King would say.

  41. Fast Eddy says:

    Fake

    The War in Ukraine Has Created a New ‘Axis of Evil’
    Russia is turning to Iran and North Korea for military supplies and diplomatic support.

    https://www.wsj.com/world/the-war-in-ukraine-has-created-a-new-axis-of-evil-cd50a398?mod=hp_lead_pos11

    Remember how we all thought Pravda was fake?

    The other side is always fake — but we trust our cnnbbc… duh

    • Who suspected that North Korea was capable of making large quantities of munitions. From the article:

      “trainloads of North Korean artillery shells started rolling to Russian troops in Ukraine—by American calculations, as many as one million munitions, or roughly three times what European nations had been able to supply in a whole year.”

      • The N Korea equation is simple

        the people are starving so that the wealth of the nation can be diverted to make munitions.

        • Withnail says:

          The N Korea equation is simple

          the people are starving so that the wealth of the nation can be diverted to make munitions.

          There is no evidence a single shell has been delivered to Russia from North Korea. It sounds like a fabricated story.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            You just made that up right? No evidence what so ever… you just blurted it out…. you know what that makes you right?

            Maybe you should get a job at cnnbbc… spewing garbage

            • Foolish Fitz says:

              “You just made that up right?”

              No, your msm hit piece made it up.
              There is no evidence.

              “Maybe you should get a job at cnnbbc… spewing garbage”

              Why, do you want company?

            • Fast Eddy says:

              The only part I just made up was TFI… it’s a good one!!!

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Question – is there a difference between a TFI and a MOREON?

              You don’t have to answer immediately — take a few days to ponder that

          • Fast Eddy says:

            That was intended for norm…. the ultimate TFI

          • you may be right withnail

            but kim is constantly lobbing rockets he cant afford out into the pacific, that isn’t a fabricated story

            and korea is starving—except for him of course

            • Withnail says:

              and korea is starving—except for him of course

              Is it?

            • MikeJones says:

              Not if you cook up some tree bark and quack grass
              North Korean Market Prices Suggest Serious Food Shortages
              BY: BENJAMIN KATZEFF SILBERSTEIN
              JUNE 23, 2023HUMAN SECURITY, NK ECONOMY COLUMN
              Note on Sources

              To examine the current food situation from a market perspective, this article uses market price data gathered and reported by Rimjingang (also written as Rimjin-gang), an online news outlet with sources inside North Korea that regularly publishes market prices. This specific data set was chosen because it is transparent and specific about where in the country the data comes from. Due to tightened border controls under Kim Jong Un’s tenure, information from inside North Korea has become even more difficult to access. Therefore, transparency about the data is crucial.
              https://www.38north.org/2023/06/north-korean-market-prices-suggest-serious-food-shortages/

            • Withnail says:

              Not if you cook up some tree bark and quack grass

              The study comes from a US funded propaganda outlet, ’38 North’. Discarded.

              Are North Koreans starving or not? I simply don’t know.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Everyone believed and still believes the Iraqis murdered babies and stole incubators.. cuz… they trust the media …

              Check it out

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hExlqV-fsP8

              Funny that … we have dozens of examples of them playing the TFIs… and still … and still they trust cnnbbc…

              How can you show them this and they not believe they are being played https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/indiamoon_feat.jpg

              This points to a simulation … same as you cannot bake bread in a freezer… they are unable to see the obvious

              Don’t get frustrated with the TFIs… they just can’t see … no matter what… cuz they were programmed to be TFIs… that’s their role in the simulation…

              Everything is fake… if you can accept that then that’s a step towards discarding TFI status… few take the step

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Funny that!

        America doesn’t have enough ammo to demolish the Hooties… but North Korea has trainloads of ammo….

        Gosh – maybe communism is a superior system after all … maybe everything we’ve been told about North Korea is fake — they don’t eat bark and grass… rather even the poorest person dines on filet … with $500 bottles of Bordo Wine …

        I have never been to NK — maybe they make it difficult because they don’t want the world to see their prosperity … and if you go they hide all of this behind a facade of a fake police state…

        Maybe NK is Utopia… and our masters prefer we not see this fabulous alternative cuz we might rise up

        What do ya’ll think????

        • drb753 says:

          Don’t cry, Eddy. Everyhing will be good.

        • Withnail says:

          and if you go they hide all of this behind a facade of a fake police state…

          Is that a police state like we have here in the UK where there are cameras everywhere and people are jailed for saying stupid things on Twitter, or a different kind of police state?

        • Withnail says:

          Gosh – maybe communism is a superior system after all …

          Politics is for low IQ people. The system is substantially the same everywhere, no matter what label is put on it.

          You are not free nor do you live in a democracy. Those are just lies.

          • Diarm says:

            An interesting examination of energy and technology as the drivers of capitalism, in particular how autocratic technologies inevitability lead to dystopia.
            Apologies if it’s been posted already I just think it’s a brilliant insight regarding shipbuilding.

            https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/capitalism-cannot-turn-into-anything

            • This article is excellent. It explains our predicament in a different way–in terms of capitalism requiring hierarchy (which of course, requires surplus energy). The tendency is for those in power to try to gain more and more control, to keep some meager system going. Of course, lack of reliable electricity supply will quickly cause the very centralized system to fail.

          • Cromagnon says:

            “Politics is for low IQ people”…..

            That’s why there are so many lawyers in politics…also why when the combination of sociopathy and low IQ end up running the show the implosion is so spectacular.

            Now just add fake AI which will remove 100% of all trust still remaining in the developed world between people and the disintegration of all vestiges of civilization will not take another 20 years.

            Look around everyone….we are now witnessing the literal evaporation of all organized structured behavior toward any form of “common good”

            The Dark Ages have arrived

            • Ed says:

              Wonderfully concise

              Look around everyone….we are now witnessing the literal evaporation of all organized structured behavior toward any form of “common good”

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Yep — we have arrived at Idiocracy….

              Consider that despite obvious evidence that the Rat Juice is deadly … that we cannot land on the moon … that a plane did not hit the pentagon…

              Most still do not get one or all of the above — they are TFIs…

              And the TFIs in the audience reading the above will scoff…

              It’s like trying to argue with a fool … there is no point … they are unaware of the fact that they are fools … they think they are really smart… that you are a fool… a … conspiracy theorist… yep that’s what they call you when you provide them with logic and facts…

              We have a few of these on OFW… we know who they are (they know who they are … but of course they disagree)

            • Nope.avi says:

              You can’t have” common good” without common values and a common culture. Trying to impose a value system from the top down on people who reject it is recipe for conflict.

            • Aiamabot says:

              “Look around everyone….we are now witnessing the literal evaporation of all organized structured behavior toward any form of “common good”

              It’s hard to see this as a consequence of declining resources when there was so much planning to make sure we are where we are today. Social cohesion has been thoroughly demonized by 20th century intellectuals. They assume rules and laws are all it takes to keep everyone cooperating with each other. According to the prevailing rulers, a work place styled “ice breaker” activity or “Team-building” activity is all it takes to end……..manage any kind of conflict. Scientific management.

            • All too true, I am afraid.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              What we are witnessing is D-moralization … it’s part of UEP … break the will of the MOREONS to live… to the point where they become lethargic… to the point where they don’t care if they live …to the point where they welcome extinction.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Of course there is no democracy… you sound as if that disappoints you …

            Democracy in a country would delivery the citizens into penury … far worse than communism…

            Why? Cuz MOREONS are not competent … and they the only decisions they should be allowed to make should involve voting for the winners on American Idol and Dancing with Stars.

            Imagine if there was an app that allowed these MOREONS to exercise pure democracy… every issue gets voted on by individuals hahahahahaha… ‘magine that!!!

            It would be just as bad as allowing the politicians to make the decisions

            • JMS says:

              “To the extent that propaganda is based on current news, it cannot permit time for thought or reflection. A man caught up in the news must remain on the surface of the event; he is carried along in the current, and can at no time take a respite to judge and appreciate; he can never stop to reflect. There is never any awareness — of himself, of his condition, of his society — for the man who lives by current events. Such a man never stops to investigate any one point, any more than he will tie together a series of news events. We already have mentioned man’s inability to consider several facts or events simultaneously and to make a synthesis of them in order to face or to oppose them. One thought drives away another; old facts are chased by new ones. Under these conditions there can be no thought. And, in fact, modern man does not think about current problems; he feels them. He reacts, but be does not understand them any more than he takes responsibility for them. He is even less capable of spotting any inconsistency between successive facts; man’s capacity to forget is unlimited. This is one of the most important and useful points for the propagandist, who can always be sure that a particular propaganda theme, statement, or event will be forgotten within a few weeks. Moreover, there is a spontaneous defensive reaction in the individual against an excess of information and — to the extent that he clings (unconsciously) to the unity of his own person — against inconsistencies. The best defense here is to forget the preceding event. In so doing, man denies his own continuity; to the same extent that he lives on the surface of events and makes today’s events his life by obliterating yesterday’s news, he refuses to see the contradictions in his own life and condemns himself to a life of successive moments, discontinuous and fragmented.”

              Jacques Ellul, Propaganda

            • JMS says:

              “People used to think that learning to read evidenced human progress; they still celebrate the decline of illiteracy as a great victory; they condemn countries with a large proportion of illiterates; they think that reading is a road to freedom. All this is debatable, for the important thing is not to be able to read, but to understand what one reads, to reflect on and judge what one reads. Outside of that, reading has no meaning (and even destroys certain automatic qualities of memory and observation). But to talk about critical faculties and discernment is to talk about something far above primary education and to consider a very small minority. The vast majority of people, perhaps 90 percent, know how to read, but do not exercise their intelligence beyond this. They attribute authority and eminent value to the printed word, or, conversely, reject it altogether. As these people do not possess enough knowledge to reflect and discern, they believe—or disbelieve—in toto what they read. And as such people, moreover, will select the easiest, not the hardest, reading matter, they are precisely on the level at which the printed word can seize and convince them without opposition. They are perfectly adapted to propaganda.”
              ― Jacques Ellul, Propagand

            • JMS says:

              “…action makes propaganda’s effect irreversible. He who acts in obedience to propaganda can never go back. He is now obliged to believe in that propaganda because of his past action. He is obliged to receive from it his justification and authority, without which his action will seem to him absurd or unjust, which would be intolerable. He is obliged to continue to advance in the direction indicated by propaganda, for action demands more action. ”
              Ellul, Propagand

            • INVESTOR_GUY says:

              Technology has improved to the point that immortality is a real possibility.

              Stock prices have risen in response to that new reality.

            • i think you have stolen keiths calculator

              it has a b for bullshit button

            • hkeithhenson says:

              ” is a real possibility”

              INVESTOR_GUY I agree with you. If you are concerned about missing it and have the resources, then you can sign up for cryonics.

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