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It is now popular to talk about leaving fossil fuels to prevent climate change. Pretty much the same result occurs if we run short of fossil fuels: We lose fossil fuels, but it is because we cannot extract them. Practically no one tells us about the extent to which the current system depends upon fossil fuels, however.
The economy is extraordinarily dependent on fossil fuels. If there are not enough fossil fuels to go around, there is likely to be fighting over what is available. Some countries are likely to get far more than their fair share, while the rest of the world’s population will be left with very little or no fossil fuels.
If losing fossil fuels completely, or nearly completely, is a risk for some of the world’s population, it might be useful to think through some of the things that go wrong. The following are some of my ideas about things that change, mostly for the worse, in a fossil fuel-deprived economy.
[1] Banks, as we know them, will likely fail.
Before banks fail in areas with virtually no fossil fuels, my guess is that we will generally see hyperinflation. Governments will greatly increase the money supply in a vain attempt to get people to believe that more goods and services are being produced. This approach will be used because people equate having more money with the ability to buy more goods and services. Unfortunately, without fossil fuels it will be very difficult to produce very many goods.
More money will simply provide more inflation because it takes physical resources, including the proper types of energy, to operate machinery of all kinds to make goods. Creating services also requires fossil fuel energy, but generally, to a lesser extent than creating goods. For example, the pair of scissors used in cutting hair is made using fossil fuel energy. The person cutting hair needs to be paid; his or her pay needs to be high enough to cover energy-related costs such as buying and cooking food to eat. The shop where hair cutting is operated will also need to pay for the fossil fuel energy required for heat and light, assuming such energy is even available.
Banks will fail because too large a share of debts cannot be repaid with interest. Part of the problem will be that while wages will rise, the prices of goods and services will rise even faster, making goods unaffordable. Another part of the problem is that service economies, such as those of the US and eurozone, will be disproportionately affected by a declining economy. In such an economy, people will get their hair cut less often. Instead, they will spend their money on essentials, including food, water, and cooking supplies. Service-providing businesses, such as hair salons and restaurants, will fail for lack of customers, leading to defaults on their debts.
[2] Today’s governments will fail.
With failing banks, today’s governments will also fail. Partly, they will fail because of attempts to bail out banks. Another problem will be declining tax revenue because fewer goods and services are produced. Pension programs will become increasingly difficult to fund. All these issues will lead to increasingly divisive politics. In some cases, central governments may dissolve, leaving states and other smaller units, such as today’s provinces, to continue on their own.
Intergovernmental organizations, such as the United Nations and NATO, will find their voices becoming less and less heeded before they fail. Getting sufficient funding from member states will become an increasing problem.
Dictatorships ruled by leaders who wield absolute power and aristocracies ruled by leaders with hereditary rights are the types of governments with the least energy requirements. These are likely to become more common without fossil fuels.
[3] Nearly all of today’s businesses will fail.
Fossil fuels are essential for all kinds of businesses. They are used in the extraction of raw materials and in the transportation of goods. We use fossil fuels to pave roads and to build nearly all of today’s buildings. Without fossil fuels, even simple repairs of existing infrastructure become impossible. Without adequate fossil fuels, international companies are especially at risk of breaking into smaller units. They will find it impossible to operate in parts of the world with virtually no fossil fuel supply.
Fossil fuels are even used in making solar panels, wind turbines, and replacement parts for electric vehicles. Talking about solar and wind as “renewables” is to a significant extent misleading. At best, they can be described as fossil fuel “extenders.” They might help a problem of a slightly low fossil fuel supply, but they are far from adequate substitutes.
[4] Grid electricity and the internet will disappear.
Fossil fuels are important for maintaining the electrical transmission system. For example, restoring downed power lines after storms requires fossil fuels. Hooking up solar panels or wind turbines to the electric grid requires fossil fuels. Home solar panel systems may operate until their inverters fail. Once their inverters fail, their usefulness will be greatly degraded. Fossil fuels are needed to manufacture new inverters.
Fossil fuels are also important for maintaining every part of the internet system. Furthermore, without grid electricity, it becomes impossible to use computers to connect to the internet.
[5] International trade will be scaled back greatly.
At this time of year, many of us remember the story of the three kings from the East coming to visit the baby Jesus with precious gifts. We also remember stories in the Bible of Paul traveling to distant countries. From these and many other examples, we know that international trade and travel can continue without fossil fuels.
The problem is that without fossil fuels, some parts of the world will have very little to offer in return for goods made with fossil fuels. Countries with fossil fuels will quickly figure out that government debt from countries without fossil fuels doesn’t really mean much when it comes to paying for goods and services. As a result, trade will be scaled back to match available exports. Exports of goods will likely be very limited for parts of the world operating without fossil fuels.
[6] Agriculture will become much less efficient.
Today’s agriculture has been made unbelievably efficient using large mechanical equipment, generally powered by diesel, together with a huge number of chemicals, including herbicides, insecticides, and fertilizers. In addition, fences and netting made with fossil fuels are used to keep out unwanted animal pests. In some cases, greenhouses are used to provide a controlled climate for plants. Using fossil fuels, specialized hybrid seeds are developed that emphasize characteristics that farmers consider desirable. All these “helps” will tend to disappear.
Without these helps, agriculture will become much less efficient. Figure 1 shows that even with the small cutback in fossil fuel use in 2020, the share of employment provided by agriculture rose.
Employment in agriculture is essential. These workers did not get laid off, even as workers in tourism and workers making fancy clothes lost their jobs, so agricultural jobs as a share of total employment rose.
[7] Future labor needs are likely to be disproportionately in the agricultural sector.
People need to eat. Even if the economy is operating in a very inefficient manner, people will need food. The share of people in agriculture (including hunting and gathering) can be expected to rise considerably.
Some people hope that a shift to the use of permaculture will solve the problem of the dependence of agriculture on fossil fuels. I see permaculture as mostly a fossil-fuel extender, rather than a solution for getting along without fossil fuels, because it assumes the use of many fossil fuel-based devices, such as modern fences and today’s tools. Also, at best, permaculture only partly solves the inefficiency problem because it requires a huge amount of hands-on labor.
Today, there is a wide divide between the share of employment in agriculture in the United States and in the same statistic for the UN group of least developed countries. Most of these countries are in sub-Saharan Africa. They use very little fossil fuels.
The US share of employment in agriculture has recently been about 1.7%. In the part of Europe using the Euro, the share of employment in agriculture has recently averaged about 3.0%. In either the US or Europe, it would take a huge change in employment to get to 70% in agricultural employment (as seen early in the 1990s for the UN least developed group), or even to 55% (as experienced recently by the same group).
[8] Home heating will become a luxury item available only to the wealthy.
Without fossil fuels, wood will come into high demand for its heat value. Wood will be needed for cooking food; it is very difficult to subsist on a diet of all raw foods. Wood will also be in demand for making charcoal, which in turn can be used to smelt some metals. With these demands on wood, deforestation is likely to become a major problem in many parts of the world. Wood in general will be quite expensive, given the considerable cost of harvesting and transporting it over long distances without the benefit of fossil fuels.
People living in sparsely populated wooded areas may be able to gather their own wood for home heating. For other people, home heating will likely become a luxury, affordable only by the very rich.
[9] Living alone will become a thing of the past.
Without enough heat, and with barely enough wood for cooking, people (and their animals) will have to huddle together more. Homes housing multiple generations, built over a place for keeping farm animals, may again become popular. It will be more efficient to cook for large groups than for one person at a time. People in cold areas will huddle together with each other in beds to keep warm. Or they will huddle together with their dogs, as in the saying, three dog night, meaning a night that is cold enough to need to have three dogs to keep a person warm.
Even in warm parts of the world, people will live together in groups, simply because maintaining a household for a single person will become impossibly expensive. Food and fuel for cooking will take up a huge share of a family’s income. There will be little left over for other expenses.
[10] Governments and their laws will shrink in importance. Instead, new traditions and new religions will play a greater role in keeping order.
Governments have made dozens of promises, but without a growing supply of fossil fuels (or an adequate substitute), they will not be able to keep them. Pensions will be gone. The ability of governments to enforce ownership laws will likely disappear. Without any good substitute for fossil fuels, mass disorder is a likely outcome.
People crave order. Without order, it is impossible to conduct business. We know from recent experience that “sustainability groups,” put together by people with a common interest in sustainability tend not to work well enough to provide order. They tend to fall apart as soon as obstacles arise.
What has seemed to work to provide order in the past is some combination of traditions and religions. With a changing world, both traditions and religions are likely to need to change. In the book, Communities that Abide, by Dmitry Orlov et al., the authors point out that having a strong (non-elected) leader, and a shared set of religious beliefs, helps keep a group together. In fact, it helps if the group is somewhat persecuted. Fighting for a common cause is part of what keeps the group together.
The Ten Commandments in the Bible are interpreted in a way that strongly suggests that they are rules for behavior within the group, not for behavior in general. For example, “Thou shalt not kill,” applies to other members of the group; wars against other groups were very much expected. In those wars, killing of members of another group was expected. This would seem to allow Israel’s killing of members of Hamas, today. Without enough fossil fuels to go around, fighting becomes more frequent.
Conclusion
In my opinion, the problem the world is facing today is like one that smaller economies have faced, over and over, in the past: The population has become too large for the economy’s resource base, which now includes fossil fuels. Today’s leaders reframe the problem as voluntarily moving away from fossil fuels to prevent climate change in order to make the situation sound less frightening.
As I see the situation, the world needs to scale down its use of fossil fuels because, ultimately, the laws of physics determine selling prices for fossil fuels. We extract the inexpensive-to-produce fossil fuels first. The problem is that fossil fuel selling prices cannot rise arbitrarily high. Prices must be both:
- High enough for producers to make a profit, with funds left over for reinvestment and for adequate taxes for their governments.
- Low enough for consumers to afford to buy food and other consumer goods produced with these fossil fuels.
If we assume that all the fossil fuels that seem to be under the ground can really be extracted, climate change from burning them may indeed be a problem. But it is hard to see that they can really be extracted, given the affordability issue. Politicians will hold down prices to get voters to vote for them if nothing else.
Researchers have been working diligently to find solutions, but to date, their success has been poor. Every supposed solution requires significant use of fossil fuels. So, we need to think through what might happen if we are forced to get along without fossil fuels and without an adequate substitute.
https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/90580
great article on Zuckerbergs Hawaiian bunker
i think he must be a secret OFW reader—i wonder if Fast Eddy is his nom de plume?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/21/mark-zuckerberg-apocalypse-bunker-hawaii
No envy implied or explicit.
One must have courage to be part of life, whatever is on the island has a very short shelf life and there is one item which is a single point of failure. A farm is bad enough with Menard’s thirty miles away.
What would I want after all these years?
1.Youth
2. A woman who would go the distance and experience the voyage that is life with children. There are no guarantees except it will end. It has to be a biological match, biology is life. That is one thing you can’t chose, it is written, and it never comes at a convenient time.
3. A like minded group not addicted to violence but not pacifists either. You can’t buy loyalty, one can only earn it I think.
4. Do life with a smile and deal with what comes, play the game well, don’t do the 80 which fail and get lucky.
Collum’s next missive alludes pedophelia will be a topic. I think too much sex is not connecting with the universe, something does not work. The US seems to have this issue, watching movies from the fifties compared to now, too much doom and gloom. I was part of that generation, sixties, “free love,” leather and lace. “I am Curious Yellow” was a sort of “in” thing, but really very boring. It didn’t seem to work, not part of the fabric of the universe.
Number 2 is part of the “Robe.” Courage to face life, step off the edge, take a chance; our current generation has too much fear, wants too many guarantees including a bunker in the middle of the Pacific. Life is a voyage with an uncertain end.
Dennis L.
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I am afraid the author is correct: All this planning and expense will be for naught. There are too many people with a motive to kill off the Zuckerbergs and take the food and lodging for themselves.
UK’s Christmas Covid chaos sees NHS nurses demand Brits ‘mask up’ again to stop disease. The emerging JN.1 Covid variant has helped a rise in cases over the Christmas period as NHS staff in hospitals struggle to meet demand of soaring number of patients. Royal College of Nursing officials have written to to nursing officers in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland demanding marks to be worn to mitigate the spread, which is still not legal practice but has been advised by the WHO.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uks-christmas-covid-chaos-sees-31751314
Some small percentage of people–maybe 2% to 5%– on the plane from Atlanta to Boston were wearing masks. There is a group who likes masks and is convinced that they prevent disease.
Maybe they feel they are ugly so they are hiding their ugliness.
Remember the Ghost Cities???
Rinse Repeat
https://youtu.be/oEMtTtUZXEk
“No Place to Place Ⅱ——Graveyards of shared cars and network cars in China”
Failed investments stack up in dumps in China. First shared bicycles, then shared cars and network cars. The concept didn’t work. Some of the shared cars were EVs. The blurb says that replacement parts weren’t available for them, among other problems.
Interesting story in the Guardian. I suspect we will begin to see more of this as centralized governments lose their grip, Movements to set up parallel societies within the nation state. The article notes this as a “right-wing” threat, but what if it is or becomes a more universal phenomenon? The Hutterites operate as a self-governed large commune (unlike the Amish or Mennonites, e.g., who have a community rather than a commons but are dispersed into separately owned family farms) but are not perceived as a threat because they have no political aspirations and they do not directly challenge the status quo. I suspect we will begin to see more of this as centralized governments lose their grip, On a smaller scale, we could see modern relatively self-sustaining enclosed “monastic” communities devoted to either self-sustenance, religious, or one or more higher – or other – uniting purposes.
“The figure indicates an acceleration of a pattern observed for more than a decade, in which hard-to-sell houses, pubs and farmland properties are being snapped up and used by the rightwing groups for everything from living space to birthing houses, sport halls and party venues.
“The properties are of less interest to Reichsbürger and the far-right scene as investments; rather they are utilised for establishing their parallel societies and creating spaces of fear for all those who don’t share their view of the world,” said Renner.
Among the most prominent organisations is the Königreich Deutschland (kingdom of Germany) or KRD, founded in 2012 in an elaborate ceremony, and boasting its own currency and constitution that gives it a state-like structure.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/27/far-right-extremists-reichsburger-rural-land-grab-germany
If the whole country is having problems, it seems likes these groups would have problems, as well. Where do they get food? Jobs that pay reasonably well?
A subsidy-fueled boom helped build China into an electric-car giant but left weed-infested lots across the nation brimming with unwanted battery-powered vehicles.
On the outskirts of the Chinese city of Hangzhou, a small dilapidated temple overlooks a graveyard of sorts: a series of fields where hundreds upon hundreds of electric cars have been abandoned among weeds and garbage.
Similar pools of unwanted battery-powered vehicles have sprouted up in at least half a dozen cities across China, though a few have been cleaned up. In Hangzhou, some cars have been left for so long that plants are sprouting from their trunks. Others were discarded in such a hurry that fluffy toys still sit on their dashboards.
The cars were likely deserted after the ride-hailing companies that owned them failed, or because they were about to become obsolete as automakers rolled out EV after EV with better features and longer driving ranges. They’re a striking representation of the excess and waste that can happen when capital floods into a burgeoning industry, and perhaps also an odd monument to the seismic progress in electric transportation over the last few years.
Shenzhen-based photographer Wu Guoyong was one of the first people in China to document the waste that results from frenetic development, taking striking drone shots of the piles of abandoned bicycles in 2018. In 2019, he filmed aerial footage of thousands of electric cars in empty lots around Hangzhou and Nanjing, the capital of China’s eastern Jiangsu province.
“The shared bikes and EV graveyards are a result of unconstrained capitalism,” Wu said. “The waste of resources, the damage to the environment, the vanishing wealth, it’s a natural consequence.”
Hoot of the Day
“EV graveyards are a result of unconstrained capitalism.”
https://mishtalk.com/economics/the-ev-graveyard-reckoning-hardly-anyone-wants-to-buy-a-used-one
Related to a later post, about graveyards for shared EVs.
Sounds like a reasonable explanation of the problem.
My SCHAD detector found this:
Fox News audio anchor and reporter Matt Napolitano, 33, died mysteriously and suddenly the day before Christmas. According to his husband Rick, Matt died suddenly from “an infection.”
Matt was well-liked around New York, and even drew a condolence tweet yesterday from Mayor Eric Adams. The New York Daily News reported Matt died “following a brief illness” — the new euphemism for “he died suddenly” — and led its article by noting that Matt allegedly had an “autoimmune disease” for twenty years (since thirteen?).
Matt’s husband Rick denied any jab involvement and requested people not spread misinformation.
Meanwhile – I know two people who out of nowhere were afflicted with diabetes… bother boostered:
In this case report, the researchers described a 56-year-old man who spontaneously developed atypical, adult-onset Type 2 diabetes three months after his third jab. Significantly, he had no “genetic predisposition” to diabetes, and he never had covid:
The patient was never infected with COVID-19. He had no known COVID-19 exposures and did not experience flu-like illness throughout the COVID-19 pandemic. He had no family history of kidney disease.
The researchers stated as an obvious fact that the mRNA vaccine can cause new-onset (and relapsed) kidney disease. They didn’t even squawk it was “rare.” (They even said typically occur awfully close to the word disease.) They ignored the drooling idiots infecting the useless CDC and captured FDA, neither of which apparently has the slightest idea at all that mRNA vaccines can cause kidney diseases. Lalalalala we can’t hear you.
Science.
It was me who called the patient’s diabetes “atypical,” which to me is a flag for vaccine involvement. But his doctors used more clinical language. Still, it because his disease was atypical that they discovered a successful treatment.
The researchers said they ultimately treated his diabetes as a vaccine injury rather than a blood sugar disorder, rejecting insulin — which was not helping much — and successfully controlled his diabetes using steroids for the inflammation and a leukemia drug to treat his vaccine-induced autoimmunity. Both drugs are normally contraindicated for diabetes; in fact, the steroids usually make kidney disease worse. In the researcher’s own words (lightly edited for clarity):
This case is unique because the kidneys and pancreas were simultaneously affected by the vaccine. Although correlation does not imply causation, the onset of symptoms of injury of two organs soon after vaccination should be considered as the inciting event. And in this case, it was strange that the patient’s blood sugar level was dramatically high within a short period, without any history of diabetes or a propensity to the disease. Therefore we suspected that the diabetes was caused by an immunological mechanism triggered by the COVID-19 vaccination.
Based on the vaccine-related mechanism of the immune reaction, we treated the patient with glucocorticoid (a steroid) and cyclophosphamide (a leukemia drug) and successfully controlled the diabetes mellitus within a short period.
In general, glucocorticoids are considered a medication that can worsen diabetes and harm pancreas function, ostensibly leading to an increase in blood glucose levels. Given this response, glucocorticoids are rarely used to treat diabetes mellitus.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/little-packages-wednesday-december
Hey norm — did you receive my xxxmas gift? It should have reached you by now…
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b4/de/f4/b4def4e3e6e05561e0fadc9f803822ec.jpg
This is an excellent Zerohedge article on the scam nature of wind power.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/britains-net-zero-disaster-wind-power-scam
Although I often argue with Dennis L., a lot of what he has to say has value.
He said the amount of knowledge to just begin is enormous.
And it is true that the mental power to digest them all are limited.
Which is why I beat Chucky all the time since when Chucky ‘did his duty’ and led 8 million more Europeans to their deaths, instead of running, and thereby ending the war 4 years before, with Britain a bit bruised but still with most of its foreign colonies (by that time the only German colony remaining was what is now Tanzania, defended by a lone German general) and the superior stock of Europe preserved and people like Ramanujan given one way tickets to where they came from, and never allowed back.
The loss of the superior stock Europe had built over the 500 years was consumed.
British lower class patriots praise what the UK did during these years, because since the superior people died off, they for the first time could have some kind of voice, like the late Dr. Robert Firth, whose surname shows he is descended from forest rangers in the midlands, and would never have been allowed near Oxford if Chucky didn’t do ‘his duty’. There was exactly one notable Firth before 1914.
I laughed on the movie October Sky, where a country hick named Homer Hickam becomes a rocket scientist. Hickam had NO stake on civilization, being a child of a coalminer.
Peoples without centuries of breeding and stakes on civilization handling the world led the world to this chaos.
In my opinion, because of Gabby Princip, Joe Gallieni and Chucky, the stocks of the peoples who were able to adapt to the future challenges perished beyond repair, and the descendants of coalminers, country hicks and a draft-evader-turned-whorehouse-owner(like a Fritz Drumpf) proved to be incapable to head the world to the next stage.
Vannevar Bush, a Boston Brahmin who put a lot of effort on MIT’s growth, let a John Trump, a son of the said Fritz Drumpf, the papers of Nikola Tesla. But, unlike Vannevar Bush who had a stake on civilization, John Trump, who had no stake on civ, simply mismanaged it. It was NOT important for people like John Trump – it was just a gig. It is unknown why V Bush chose John Trump to do the job, but it is possible that there were no other suitable candidates.
Those who had a stake in civ should NEVER have trusted, and give a chance, to those who had NO stake in civ, and it is another topic I will handle later.
I’m starting to like this Chucky guy.
laughing quietly,
Dennis L.
why don’t we start a Chucky Fan Club?
glumthestatusquo can be its president.
OFW is degenerating into reruns.
Regular news is pretty thin at this time of year.
This is the first time I mention John Trump
we can barely wait for much more!
DrB yes ironically you’ve said that a few times lately.
😉 just kidding, dude.
5 days until 2024 (yes a rerun!)
Chucky has been featured many times here. A happy 2024 to you featuring lots of dark chocolate and other gourmet foods.
may your meat be bountiful in 2024.
Chucky’s crime against Civilization is incalculable.
All the human stock built for 500 years destroyed, and inferior stock masquerading themselves as talents , occurred because of him.
The descendants of water carriers, servants, ne’erdowells and scoundrels have driven human civ to the brink of abyss
Any recession/slowdown/scaledown will end up like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xGUkmXZPKw
(Stempede in Seoul, where at least a thousand people got stuck in a small alley, trying to get out)
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practically everyone is hopelessly overextended, with no recourses possible.
A few might escape, most will perish.
‘How did Geert Vanden Bossche “know” (in 2021) that the “vaccinated” shed less of the virus than the “unvaccinated”? How is this data derived? Precisely?’?
https://sagehana.substack.com/p/how-did-geert-vanden-bossche-know?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=702469&post_id=140106200&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=nm2q&utm_medium=email
“Richard M Fleming, PhD, MD, JD
@Doctor_I_am_The
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Dec 19
There is no know published or unpublished data on this. One of the fundamental questions, as I discuss on http://FlemingMethod.com is “what” is being shed. In the absence of knowing this, determining what to measure is a guess.”?
https://x.com/Doctor_I_am_The/status/1737237439008387538?s=20
This sounds like it could be a problem. However, if the vaccinated get lighter cases of the illness, it would seem like they could be the “Typhoid Mary’s” of the covid world.
GVB is correct… during the period when the vax is doing battle with the virus — causing it to mutate…. the Vaxxers are likely to shed less than a person who is not vaxxed but gets Covid….
I wouldn’t spin that as a positive…
An article explaining how poorly banks are really doing:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/banks-terminate-60000-workers-one-bleakest-years-employment-2008
Banks Terminate 60,000 Workers In One Of The Bleakest Years For The Industry Since 2008
Nice chart showing which banks laid off most:
https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/2023-12-26_14-56-20.png
No growth, no interest, no banks.
Need a world with more debt and more real growth, unfortunately.
On the positive side, less overhead.
Dennis L.
They’re now promoting degrowth in the mainstream. Are not all economies growth dependent as per the laws of thermodynamics? Further evidence of how f567ed the situation is?..
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04412-x
All open systems are either growing or collapsing, there is no steady state. (Paraphrasing Tim Garrett).
Degrowth means starving people and unrest.
The degrowth examples I remember seeing required huge upfront investment in supposedly “renewable” systems that weren’t really renewable. Sort of like the wind and solar scam, but also using plants to supposedly process waste, for example.
Degrowth can work — here’s how science can help
Wealthy countries can create prosperity while using less materials and energy if they abandon economic growth as an objective.
Again — everything is fake. Just like the UKE war… oh yes I know … I know… that’s not fake! Everything but that … right…
If the UKEYs have exploded tens of billions of weapons – draining the US of all it’s ammo — then Show Me the Rubble!
Show me the destroyed Russian cities!!!! Show me the clips!!! Show me The Logic!!!! Show me the Facts!!! I wanna see The Rubble!!! Show me show me show me.
If you can’t show me – then… it’s (I am afraid to inform you)… it’s fake. False. Fake…. like fake ti.tties… like the moon landings… fake fake fake… file it under fake… yes sir – under fake!! F. for Fake. F. for Fail (or FFF)
hahahahahaha… there’s a saying where I come from …. they say …. you can cure stooopidity … here’s how it’s done https://www.tiktok.com/@tiktokrachelreenstra/video/7052092917552516398
https://youtu.be/mBS0OWGUidc
It’s fun winning … you too can be a winner… all you have to do is Change Your Mind (CYM)… then you can be right … you can be on Team FE…. get on the FE bandwagon .. Ukey is Fake! Ukey is Fake!!! It’s all about blaming the inflation on something other than depletion of cheap resources… it’s Temporary. Temp. Kill Putin — inflation ends…
But of course they won’t do that cuz Pooty is in The Club… he’s play acting … and killing him would not end The Inflation … and then what? No more excuse..
i’d never thought of that eddy
i can see where the ”rubble” came from—of course—leftover polystyrene bloclks and plasterboard from moonlanding backdrop, covered in a different coloured dust, would make and excellent backdrop for Kiev ruins
then change the colour of the dust and re use it for Gaza
i’m amazed no one has spotted it—you would have, of course, being of such supreme intellect in such matters.
i certainly hadnt—it all makes sense now.
thanks for enlightening me eddy–very grateful
Apple store in Downtown Seattle. Nobody showed up for work. (too many sick)
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fpnn9q1ohzo8c1.jpeg
I went to my local Panera bread the other morning to get a bagel. And the exact same thing happened. ( I took a picture too ) basically the exact same note as the apple store.
We shall see how far this goes. I’m not counting on it.
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/12/27/growing-number-of-gop-candidates-pledge-to-disavow-covid-19-vaccine-and-big-pharma/
They forgot to take their Booster shots, that’s all. If they had done that, they would not be sick because we all know how safe and effective the CV19 vax and booster shots are. 🥵
VAIDS.
6 weeks remain in the Year of the Rabbit … hopefully The Pathogen is unfurled next month.
Strange!
Hilarious https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/deadly-virus-could-lead-heart-31751263
This should boost the booster shot uptake!!!
Even though the vax doesn’t stop you from getting covid — but of course it stops the heart damage… even though it forces your body to make epic amounts of spike protein … apparently the stuff in covid that causes the heart damage
But this spike protein even though it’s the same … is completely safe.
TFIs…. everywhere
They are surely feeling the need to going on killing, they are not satisfied yet.
People understand the vaxx and the measures were not properly designed. But people are totally convinced, that the same people will deliver good work the next time, when they reelect them. They cannot imagine, that people exist, who are unsuited for their jobs.
There is another problem: The Green and the Socialist party in Germany have installed unelected Secretary of States, not well known by the public, coming from an investment firm with an esoteric name. The opposition leader was head of exact that company. The investment firm is said to be owned partly by a well known philantrophist. So whatever people vote for, the same decisions will be made.
This is what people cannot understand.
Germany is particularly on the path of self-destruction and it is dragging also the rest of Europe with it.
It is a rich Country, so I think it will go on like this for a while, till the point that people will become really poor and then will become angry like the Germans can be when are angry.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I think that, at a certain point, people will assault politicians
There are by now researches that have demonstrated that only people vaccinated have heart problems after Covid (more than the normal incidence on average).
This is the study that indicates the pandemic was created by a series of lab fabricated virus:
https://zenodo.org/records/8361577
Before Montagnier had published this:
https://zenodo.org/records/3975578
That is true, but it is old news.
Perhaps worth repeating.
Every comment under the article calling out the BS
People are convinced that anything labeled “vaccine” is safe and effective.
Actually if you read that article carefully it’s basically deflecting heart damage and failure by the CV19 vax and repeated booster shots to a virus.
Very clever, gaslighting the public or to put it street level terms, “they are blowing smoke up the arse of the clueless public”. 🤓
hahaha… ‘appears’…. ‘claims’ hahaha more the same BS
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/12/26/ukraine-russian-warship-explosion-airstrike-crimea-cnntm-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn
That whole thing, that whole production was an act?
Not bad huh?
The panting the screaming the moaning…
Fake Fake fake fake
what would we do without FE?
We have a lot of refugees in the village. They are at least not any fake.
In other news…
https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/indiamoon_feat.jpg
https://interestingengineering.com/science/moon-sniper-enters-lunar-orbit
I forgot to mention UKEY has lost 380,000 troops and expect to lost 300k more this year… total pop 36M
The US lost 50k soldiers over a decade plus out of a population of 203M…
hahahahahaahahahahahahaha…. is there anything you people will not believe????
Here’s a tip – if it’s ridiculous — don’t believe it hahahaha (see India moon landing)
5 days until 2024.
exciting!
Yes and less than 6 months to world war. Not sure if it’s planned but all the pieces are in place.
The US is too weak to start a world war and nobody else is going to start one.
Good point!
Well I believe they said the same about ww1 and ww2. And a lot thought, myself included, that Russia Ukraine would be over in a matter of months!
It’s not 1914 or 1939. The resources that existed then in the US are gone. Without them there is little the US can do.
Sure there is … the US can continue unseating (killing) folks in other countries who refuse to play ball – and install compliant dictators who help the US plunder their resources in exchange for a few baubles…
It’s a great business model.
The UKEY war is perpetual … it needs to be to provide an explanation for the Inflation.
Show me the rubble!
Sure there is … the US can continue unseating (killing) folks in other countries who refuse to play ball – and install compliant dictators who help the US plunder their resources in exchange for a few baubles…
Here you go again, living in the 90s still. Fossilised there.
Here you go again … living in your delusional world believing the Elders do not continue to run the world…
Duh
Hey did you hear the North Korea can produce lots of high quality steel.. but the US cannot…. bbccnn said.
Unless ‘policy’ has changed?
“By the time you got to the first Bush administration, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they came out with a national defense policy and strategic policy. What they basically said is that we’re going to have wars against what they called much weaker enemies and these have to be carried out quickly and decisively or else there will be embarrassment—a way of saying that popular reaction is going to set in. And that’s the way it’s been. It’s not pretty, but it’s some kind of constraint.” ?
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/03/noam-chomsky-populist-groundswell-u-s-elections-future-humanity.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NakedCapitalism+%28naked+capitalism%29
There are so many vulnerable U.S targets why wouldn’t one of the militia groups attack with Russian made weapons? Isn’t it the same as ukraine attacking with u. S weapons? Unless it is a fake war as Eddy has said….
There are so many vulnerable U.S targets why wouldn’t one of the militia groups attack with Russian made weapons?
How would that be a world war exactly?
Well if an aircraft carrier is sunk what do you think would happen??
>> Well if an aircraft carrier is sunk what do you think would happen??
We would fire off a few missile volleys from remaining boats or subs and then head home.
ultimately, wars are fought over energy resources
which is why wars have been fought in the middle east since the 1940s—they get called different wars but they are effectively the same war.—with breathing spaces.
Fleets are there to defend depleting oil supplies.
when there isnt any oil left worth fighting over , the war fleets will sail away, and leave the ayrabs to it.
they will then fight each other, certain that their version of islam will refill the oilwells.
And they are not destined to revert to goat herding and camel trading.
In the meantime, USA oil will go the same way—and Americans will fight each other, certain that jesus is on the side of each faction.
ditto above.
possibly we will nuke each other in mutual retaliation for something.
(and a happy new year to all)
Ivanislav, after declaring Mission accomplished. or victory, but MA is more nuanced and attracts people in the humanities.
drb, yes, certainly we wouldn’t leave without declaring “mission accomplished”. It is the most important element of any strategic defeat.
Let me guess… they didn’t celebrate Christmas at the Oliver household!!!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/high-school-freshman-14-dies-after-having-stroke/
WHO calls for pandemic accord in 2024 after years of Covid-19 pain
“As he closed out the WHO’s 75th year, Dr Tedros said that in terms of emergency preparedness and response, gaps remain in the world’s readiness to prevent the next pandemic.
“But 2024 offers a unique opportunity to address these gaps,” he said, with countries negotiating the first-ever global agreement on pandemic threats.
“The pandemic accord is being designed to bridge the gaps in global collaboration, cooperation and equity,” said Dr Tedros. AFP
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/who-urges-pandemic-accord-in-2024-after-years-of-covid-19-pain
Not a good idea! Mandate everyone follow the same absurd protocol.
I was told – by a vax injured friend (turbo cancer then had another booster and had a heart attack) that — there will be more of these pandemics…. and that soon there will be a vaccine for cancer…
I was thinking that the only vax a Vaxxer would refuse to take is a vax to prevent stooopidity…. get it?
https://charleshughsmith.substack.com/p/what-if-there-are-no-analogs-for
When have all governments agreed to attempt to force all of their citizens to inject a substance into their bodies that carries a high risk of injury or death — and that damages their immune systems leaving them vulnerable to a man-made pathogen engineered to exploit the damage and kill them?
The covid vaccine story is just too bizarre for people to believe. It is hard to even write about for this reason. CHS did not bring up the covid vaccine story; Fast Eddy did.
CHS avoids all discussion of the Rat Juice … he no doubt has poisoned himself
Next, consider federal debt, which is expanding at rates which are unprecedented in peacetime. Where’s the analog for adding trillions in debt as inflation demands elevated bond yields cannot go back down to near-zero? There is none.
How about total debt, public and private? Is there any precedent for geometrically increasing debt as yields rise and remain above the rate of inflation? If so, when?
How about wealth inequality? We have to go back to the Gilded Age and the tumultuous era of the late 19th and early 20th century when violence soared and a bomb went off on Wall Street (1920). Who is drawing analogies to unprecedented levels of wealth and income inequality triggering social disorder on a mass scale?
https://charleshughsmith.substack.com/p/what-if-there-are-no-analogs-for
All of this debt looks like it must be unsustainable. The wealth disparities go hand in hand with too much debt (and too little energy per capita). It looks like it must all fall down, but when and how? It is hard to pinpoint the precise outcome.
Every morning when I wake up … and the power is still on … I feel disappointed.
I can’t imagine that is true. Wake up, make coffee, turn on the computer, and settle in for another day on OFW. What else would you do?
This routine is boring … I want action … I want to see the Vaxxers dying like flies.
I want to drive to the hospital and see them laying in the parking lot… dying
https://wolfstreet.com/2023/12/26/the-most-splendid-housing-bubbles-in-america-december-2023-update/
or
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/us-home-prices-surged-9th-straight-month-october-led-miami
I am not sure that the two articles are all that different.
We seem to be at a turning place in prices; some places are farther toward down than others.
The second article says: “MoM gains are slowing rapidly.”
The first article looks at different groups of houses. Some prices are still rising; some prices are falling.
There is a lag in the timing of the data, so it is hard to tell when the turning points in rates is actually affecting prices. Maybe the lower mortgage rates are helping keep prices up, as is suggested in the second article.
My impression (based on very little data) is that the Atlanta market is starting to slightly deflate. There is a limit to how much high-priced renovated older homes the market can absorb. At some point, that limit is reached.
The headlines are different
Different authors/papers have particular points they want to prove. I like the city by city analysis of Wolf Street better.
CBS News Reporter Makes “Dark” Prediction of ‘Black Swan Event’ in 2024
https://modernity.news/2023/12/26/cbs-news-reporter-makes-dark-prediction-of-black-swan-event-in-2024/
If it’s predicted then it’s not a Black Swan….
The Pathogen….
She says we’re very divided and “that creates fertile ground four our adversaries: North Korea, China, and Iran.”
It’s interesting that she left out Russia. Whether this is just a slip-up, or telegraphs a US policy change to deescalate after losing in Ukraine, who knows.
I like how she puts China in between North Korea and Iran as though the greatest industrial power ever seen on earth is just another minor annoyance like them.
Oops, I spelled it “four” instead of “for”. I blame Long COVID.
The muslims had their masks in place for hundreds of years. Even against debt. To be circomsized at old age however is not an event i look forward to.
Been there, had that done, don’t recall a thing, must be okay, n’est pas?
Dennis L.
Odd..
Dr. Pierre Kory, December 8, 2020: “I run an ICU where there’s nothing but patients with COVID. I don’t see any other disease any more. All I see is COVID, COVID, COVID. And they are all dying.”
https://sagehana.substack.com/p/dr-pierre-kory-december-8-2020-i
So all Pierre Kory’s patients are dying? Time to get a new doctor.
Of Covid, too. He must be really useless.
2020 reruns are fun, but couldn’t we have a Seinfeld rerun every now and again?
Happy Festivus!!!!
Dr. William Makis: Journalists and Reporters Who Were Mandated COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines, “Died Suddenly”
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/dr-william-makis-journalists-and
SCHAD
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Japan%27s+%27Moon+Sniper%27+Successfully+Enters+Lunar+Orbit&ia=web
https://images.interestingengineering.com/1200×675/filters:format(webp)/2023/12/26/image/jpeg/q3N41bfA8BG40IEoVd9Sr8B3BhGBGKY4ge1hOdQs.jpg
What? The US is exporting bombs????? https://edition.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big-bombs/index.html
It becomes difficult to know what to believe.
It is mostly impossible to know what is true….
Even their amateurs are very convincing… take for instance this girl
https://youtu.be/hExlqV-fsP8?t=28
She claimed to be a nurse… and the aid agencies were complicit:
The Nayirah testimony was false testimony given before the United States Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990, by a 15-year-old girl who was publicly identified at the time by her first name, Nayirah. In her testimony, Nayirah claimed that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, remove the incubators and leave the babies to die. The testimony was widely publicized and was cited numerous times by U.S. senators and President George H. W. Bush in their rationale to support Kuwait in the Gulf War.
In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah’s last name was Al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيرة الصباح) and that she was the daughter of Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign, which was run by the American public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti Government. Following this, al-Sabah’s testimony has come to be regarded as a classic example of modern atrocity propaganda.[1][2]
Nayirah’s story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International, a British-based global NGO, which published a report about the supposed killings[3] and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country. An ABC report found that “patients, including premature babies, did die, when many of Kuwait’s nurses and doctors … fled” but Iraqi troops “almost certainly had not stolen hospital incubators and left hundreds of Kuwaiti babies to die.”[4] Amnesty International USA reacted by issuing a correction, with executive director John Healey subsequently accusing the Bush administration of “opportunistic manipulation of the international human rights movement”.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
There are too many stories that are simply untrue, that get widely circulated. “Click-bait” is sometimes used to describe them. Or perhaps the reason for the story is to make the other side look bad.
I remember the commandment, “Thou shalt not bear false witness.” The issue seems to have been around for a long time.
Yes, it is true that it is difficult to understand what is going on, but what I think it is important to realize (for example for a person like myself living in the western side), is that US, supporting Israel in the war in Palestine and Ukraine in the war against Russia, is bringing all of us in a world wide catastrophe.
Rubble? Any clips?
See the comments — they will refuse to accept that energy depletion is behind this … so they are bewildered… frustrated… they grasp for nonsense such as Great Resets or it’s all about $$$… the are trapped in a pitch black room … going round and round … I can show them the light switch but NO!!!! It’s NOT a light switch… round and round the room they go … TFIs
https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/swiss-health-insurance-data-shows/comments
https://youtu.be/Yrr_gqALKVM
Now they are D-Moralizing them.. preparing them for Extermination.
Swiss health insurance data shows 73% spike in cancer treatment since 2020; Korean studies show “vaccinated” hit by blood disorders; Australian road deaths have spiked nationwide since “pandemic”
https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/swiss-health-insurance-data-shows
More… in 24!
Today is the 19th anniversary of the Boxing Day Tsunami of 2004 in which at least 227,000 died in the floods. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami
I remember the response of very religious friends at the time. They understood everything in terms of religion and so the Boxing Day Tsunami was a massive event of religious import. The obvious explanation for them was that God had ‘rebuked’ the world for its irreligiosity, rebellion against God, especially the ‘liberals’ and very especially the gays and the toleration of them in society. One has to laugh in retrospect but people have been giving those sorts of ‘explanations’ for thousands of years. Contemporary society generally took a dim view of those sorts of narratives.
The friends had a standard ‘theology’ that included ideas of ‘providence’ ie. the idea that ‘almighty God’ is in control of events in the world and certainly over things like earthquakes and floods. So it had to be a ‘just’ ‘act of God’ in some sense. It meant that either i) humans ‘deserved’ to be ‘punished’ for their ‘sins’, ‘actual sin or original sin’ or ii) God ‘owes’ humans nothing anyway so it was not ‘unjust’ or iii) God is ‘unjust’ or iv) there is no God. The last two were inadmissible to their thinking, the second was attractive in its own way but the first had everything going for it in their view, so ‘atheists, liberals, gays’ etc. it was.
I remember how it turned into a wider debate in society. For modern thinking, liberal and secular, the first ‘explanation’ was inadmissible and ridiculous and the second and third ‘explanations’ were incompatible with Christian thinking, so the obvious ‘conclusion’ is that there is no God, at least of the Christian sort where God is ‘almighty’, has ‘providential’ control over events and is ‘just’ (and loving). It was thought that such a God could not logically allow such an event to happen. If God is ‘almighty and loving’ then forget it, such an event would be inconceivable.
It was a clash between two world views, the traditional Christian and the secular liberal. Either of those views were apparently coherent as an ‘explanation’ or ‘conclusion’ but the liberal Christians were caught sitting on the fence; they would not ‘blame sin’ as the cause of the Tsunami and that left them open to the conclusion that the event was incompatible with an ‘almighty, providential, loving’ God. I had to develop my own understanding to ‘decide’ the matter; hundreds of thousands were dead at Christmas and the ‘dilemma’ could not simply be ignored.
The ‘perfect’ God ought to be compatible with the ‘best of all possible worlds’. If ‘he’ is ‘almighty’ and ‘all good’ then the world really ought to be ‘all good’ too but it clearly is not. ‘Sin’ is no ‘explanation’ as such a God could prevent ‘sin’ in the first place. The story would not be that ‘he’ put a tree in the ‘garden’ to tempt humans to ‘sin’ but that he created in a world where ‘sin’ was avoided and all was ‘good’. Such an ‘almighty’ God would be able to do whatever he wants and ‘he’ would want a ‘best of all possible worlds’ that would be ‘all good’ as ‘he’ is ‘all good’.
That is compatible with ‘free will’ in the Christian view or at least in the Catholic view. Baptised infants who die go to ‘heaven’ and they live in a ‘perfect’ world without having done any ‘good or evil’, they are ‘confirmed in grace’, they have ‘free will’ and yet they can never ‘fall from that grace into sin’. The ‘saints’ and ‘angels’ now in heaven also are ‘confirmed in grace’, they have ‘free will’ and they too can never ‘fall from that grace into sin’. God could have simply created everyone in ‘heaven’ in the first place and ‘confirmed in grace’, with full ‘free will’ and yet never to ‘fall’.
That would have been the ‘best of all possible worlds’ that one would expect of a ‘perfect’, ‘almighty’, ‘loving’ God. So the first explanation for the Tsunami, ‘sin’, is inadmissible. ‘Sin and punishment’ would not be an issue with such a God. That leaves the other three ‘explanations’: God ‘owes’ humans nothing, he is ‘unjust’ or there simply is no God. It can be reduced to two options: God is not ‘loving’ or there is no God. If God is ‘loving’ then he would act in a ‘loving way’ regardless of whether he ‘owed’ his creatures anything and he would not be ‘unjust’ toward them.
The actual world is far from what we would logically expect from an ‘almighty and good’ God. All life lives by devouring other life. Species hunt and consume each other. Humans are just the same as other species and life is possible only by preying and devouring (some are vegetarians and just devour the plants). It is a world of conflict and pain with millions of animals being eaten by each other at any moment. ‘Original sin’ is not a viable ‘explanation’ as an ‘almighty and loving’ God would avoid that in the ‘best of all possible worlds’ in the first place as explained above.
So we are left with the options that i) God is basically a ‘sadistic monster’ who created a world of infinite suffering just because ‘he’ wanted to and when he could have created a perfect world free of pain and suffering, or ii) there simply is no God. There does not seem to be any obvious way to distinguish the truth between those two possibilities on the basis of the ‘problem of evil/ suffering’ in the world. The ancient Greek philosopher Epicurus drew the conclusion that such a monstrous God would simply not be worth loving and that is perhaps as far as we can go.
> 6 God did whatever he pleased in heaven and on earth. Psalm 135
> 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45
Then there’s this concept of the Demiurge. IIRC, he was supposed to be an apprentice god with ambitions beyond his abilities. So he basically knocked up a universe in his spare time (us!), but he cocked up. Our universe has faults, but he forgot about us and went away, and here we are left to cope with his mess. So if God made us in his own image, well, we aren’t perfect, so he clearly wasn’t either.
Or alternatively Mr. God wanted a bit of entertainment. You’ve got to have goodies and baddies to provide the tension and antagonisms that drive a good plot. So here we are, good, evil and indifferent, providing him with entertaining stories during the otherwise boring eternity of his existence.
Right, just because one story does not ‘add up’ does not mean that others would not.
You are likely an apprentice human made by an apprentice god and the real one is having a belly laugh at the state of you – that explains a lot!
“You are likely an apprentice human made by an apprentice god and the real one is having a belly laugh at the state of you – that explains a lot!”
Yeah, right, and peace and goodwill to all in-betweenies such as yourself, dear Lucy. 😉
Hmm, an ‘apprentice’ god would still leave the problem of why the ‘real’ god/s would not set things ‘right’.
The god/s who see the world as ‘entertainment’ are reducible to the ‘sadistic monster’ god/s.
A third option might be that the ‘real’ god is just not that good at it – a simple incompetent who lacks knowledge/ power.
The ‘traditional’ god is the one with the real problems of coherence – all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good.
The three qualities taken together are incompatible with the state of the world.
How about a fourth “quality” and ridding ourselves of the “all-powerful” notion and ponder upon the following. 🤔💭
Given the circumstances (evolutionary process), perhaps there is no other tractable method to perform the “godliness” than to have it run to the bitter end while observing if anything at all can be salvageable. (It isn’t)
The nausea is real. 🤢🤮
Which is to say that life is a shit show by design, at least on earth. Perhaps there’s places in the universe where embodiments of the double helix run like clockwork. Sure is isn’t here, and definitely not the Rapacious Primate having at each others on the Will to Power.
Such a joke, doge much oh noes. 🐕💨💩
Questions, comments and savage remarks welcome. However in the mean time let us pray and chant together:
YOLO!
MOAR!
HYPERS GONNA HYPER!
MOARONS GONNA MOARON!
TRYHARDS GONNA TRYHARD!
WITHIN TEMPTATION IS TRUTH!
ALL RETCH AND NO VOMIT IN PERPETUITY!
THE ETERNAL RECURRENCE OF THE LOONIE!
AMEN! 🙏
https://youtu.be/2pkpsxEyi-k?si=DJvVOs34cJKpD2Mz
🤣👍👍
Now we hear everything in terms of the ridiculous ideas of the day:
Whatever is wrong is related to climate change.
Whatever is wrong is because we haven’t given enough opportunity to some minority subgroup.
Everything can be fixed with a new government program, financed using printed money.
The situation never changes. People relate current events to whatever is the idea of the day.
As we can see – it’s 24/7 lies…. so why would we assume anything on cnnbbc is true?
and dont forget the crisis actors Gail
they need wages too
God Moves in a Mysterious Way His Blunders to Perform.
MIrror,
You are somewhat good/bad I think.
My view is the universe exists and we discover it as we go along, God is not perfect but He is 80/20, a number which shows up too often to be coincidence. We do not know all the rules of the universe, complexity is one area which is poorly understood.
A dynamic earth creaks and groans, on the whole it works, but at times there are issues for us humans. The tsunami creates problems, but it is part of a greater whole.
Epicurus, what did he make? It did not work as he wished and thus all was lost?
Currently doom and gloom is the religion. My counterexample is Starship, harvest metals from asteroids, save our spaceship earth. We have discovered flight very recently and already are moving to have rockets with reusability similar to airliners. The US space program was secondary to a group of WWII Germans belonging to an evil party, but they started us into space.
Pesticides allow billions to live, but they are also horribly toxic; farmers are perhaps sacrificing their lives/health to feed the world. AI has come along and seemingly allowed weed recognition with individual bursts of chemicals. We are discovering the universe as we go, solutions present themselves which were unimaginable before.
The ancient philosophers seem to focus on what does not work and fail to see all the beauty around them. Perhaps God shows us as much as we are able to absorb and use well at any given time. In God time, we are a very recent phenomenon, give it time, it has worked very well so far.
Dennis L.
“You are somewhat good/bad I think.”
Well, we above discussed ‘God’ from a very anthropocentric/ ‘humane’ perspective.
Arguably it is just humans whining at the cosmos about how ‘important’ they are and about how the cosmos is to be ‘assessed’ on the basis of what we get out of it.
Our ‘welfare’ is completely meaningless to anything apart from ourselves – bar maybe our pets that rely on us for food – presumably.
We construct religions as stories that are mainly all about ourselves and about how ‘important’ we are in the cosmos – and to give us a cosmic focus for our whining.
The idea that human welfare has any importance to discussions of the cosmos and its wherefore is egotistical foolishness – presumably.
Humans are capable of ‘believing’ any rubbish and we have to be realistic about that.
Even if we were to assume that life is ‘meaningful’, the whines are only one perspective, that of the whiney sufferers.
If the world is competitive and painful then it is what it is and that is per se no objection to it.
From the religious perspective there is not necessarily any problem to that – it is just how it is ‘supposed’ to be.
Not all humans are whiney sufferers and other perspectives are possible, the perspectives of those who embrace life just as it is in its strife.
All perspectives are just that and they express the conditions of life of certain types.
There is no ‘truth’ beyond those relative perspectives.
As Nietzsche said, all sorts of gods are possible – and not only those of whiney sufferers – and many are yet to be invented.
As Gail suggested, “new religions will play a greater role in keeping order” only different people may have different ideas about what ‘order’ is all about.
It is highly unlikely to go the way of the Sermon on the Mount.
Warlords, social stratification, even slavery are likely to return once civilisation collapses as that tends to be the pattern throughout history and even now in many ways.
New realities are liable to give rise to new stories to express them and to orientate persons and groups to them – whatever ‘works’.
‘Morality’ will at best be whatever works for whatever people.
It is really not all about me or about anyone and history will do whatever it does regardless of our wishes on that count.
I thought that this substack article was good:
https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/goodbye-2023-goodbye-old-world
Goodbye 2023, Goodbye Old World
The year when western industrial civilization slipped
B, the Honest Sorcerer starts out:
He points out the many stories missed by main stream media in 2023. He goes through his predictions for 2023, which were pretty accurate. Toward the end, he quotes Dr. Tim Morgan as saying:
The Honest Sorcerer ends by saying the following:
Like all of the folks who think EROEI really tells them something, he thinks we probably have quite a long time left.
His rants about GW are irritating…
Meanwhile… https://interestingengineering.com/science/moon-sniper-enters-lunar-orbit
theatre of the absurd
I am always correct – because if I am wrong I change my mind.
How bout that japanese moon thing … hahaha
Like all of the folks who think EROEI really tells them something, he thinks we probably have quite a long time left.
People don’t grasp that intermittent electricity is not just ‘not quite as good’ as ‘always on’ power, it’s useless.
“Like all of the folks who think EROEI really tells them something, he thinks we probably have quite a long time left.”
I agree, we will be here a long time.
Different viewpoint:
Recently watched “The Robe” a fifties movie. Marcellus Gallio meets his childhood sweetheart. Diana. In the end rather than renounce their Christianity she accompanies him to be put to death on an archery range.
So, ignore the religious part, we are biology and if you have had enough close encounters of the male/female kind upon reflection you can recall a few that simply worked, or if lucky “the one.”
Why? I suspect biology, it results not in perfection but the fewest number of genetic errors. Nick Lane discusses this idea, modern biology is recognizing cells are electronic, it is how they self organize.
Love(not sex, see Diana’s choice as a metaphor) is electric, if you have missed it that is unfortunate. But our modern world makes demands on us and also sells us on ideas other than biology and we are miserable although we can attain certain earthly goals, have you heard that metaphor before?
It is the metaphorical courage of Diana to go into the unknown with Marcellus which makes our lives, and we deal with things as they come based upon our preparation whether it be spiritual or real world. It can and does just seem to work, with children it makes us part of the unfolding fabric of the universe
Reflections of an old man, still trying to make something out of his life, still fortunate enough to meet a woman of similar age with good health and smooth skin.
Life is more than EROEI.
Dennis L.
My guess is deflation of things, if AI works, deflation of people.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/openai-investor-vinod-khosla-predicts-ai-will-deflate-the-economy-over-the-next-25-years/ar-AA1m2bQa?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d77968d49f4f4bae99360d3f1603775a&ei=59
What is inflating is the knowledge one needs to even partake of this world.
Spraying weeds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fflbc_y2IGQ
I hope this guy is real, it is a place to start, CC spring course is Rasberry Pi with Python software. Get Hub is also a rich source of information. I know it is small, build a swarm, charge off of solar. When spraying works, laser zap them and get rid of pesticides.
Observation on electronic knowledge. When I was a kid, built tube stuff, discrete parts. In last class, breadboarded chips with multiple processors, a guess, tens of thousands of transistors per processor(these are simple processors, e.g. 7400 for Ed). Digital logic is much easier and faster to learn than analogue circuits with all their associated noise and varying tolerances Much more can be done with much less effort now. Multisim can simulate the entire circuit on a good workstation. When I started building my computers, that would have been impossible on a homebuilt.
We have Starship for cheap, endless, refined, resources. We have AI to help us build or in this case spray weeds. We are going to be fine as humans, but there will be bumps.
Dennis L.
We get more and more high-tech solutions, but they tend to break easily and are very expensive to fix. The redundancy built into nature isn’t there. This becomes a problem.
Respectfully disagree:
The universe is a very complex phenomenon which works to the point where biology, very complex has evolved.
Mechanically, my examples have been cars, much more reliable and last longer than in the fifties. Yes, fifties cars were easier to fix, but few made 200K miles, so two were needed where one is today.
TV repairmen are history, cathode ray tubes are much less reliable than LCD screens and at point of use required much more electricity. Overall LCDs must use less energy or they wouldn’t be cheaper.
We humans are much more complex than a bacteria, yet we work fairly well.
Dennis L.
Humans have a certain amount of built in redundancy. Two eyes and two ears. Two parents for children. Our bodies last quite long, it we give them the expected food and exercise.
dennis
we are not more complex than microbiale life
we ARE microbial life—and we are here because microbial life allows us to be.
they are the dominant life force on earth—not us.
if you can’t accept that—consider……..that if we humans were suddenly not here, to them our passing would notbe noticed and have no effect on their existence.
if on the other hand, they were to suddendly vanish—we would all be dead in a week—if not hours.
which of us is the dominant life form? When we get too many—what culls our numbers?
sorry dennis—fantasise all you want about human destiny and stuff—but they are the facts of life and living
I’m afraid you are right.
Thinking on this one more as a thought stream than a thought.
Nature’s idea of redundancy is to make many, keep the best than kill the rest; corollary is, kill or be killed.
Look at the overall cost of fixing cars of the fifties, how many repair stations were required per thousand cars? One on every corner thinking of my neighborhood. Crash a car today and airbags inflate, crash a tank of the fifties and very nasty results. Fewer repairs today on the occupants, insurance companies knew and pushed this idea.
A modern jet engine is much more efficient and reliable than the old piston counterpart.
I have been in the personal computer game since it started, my first computer an Imsai 8080. The disk drives were a nightmare, 8 inch floppies; SSD’s are very fast and I haven’t broken one yet.
Not everything is better, but that is 80/20 at work, even God can’t do better which is by my theory why 80/20 shows up so often. Yes repairing things is more difficult, but repairing them is required much less frequently.
Starship and Falcon’s just work, they are reusable; Starship is the next step for mankind, Neil Armstrong was the first step off our spaceship earth. Per the Muppet Movie and Kermit’s song, “we are moving right along. ”
Dennis L.
We have AI to help us build or in this case spray weeds.
AI does not exist.
Okay, you may well be correct. This old man has head down, going to see if he can get a simple camera and small computer to recognize weeds. First step in a journey.
Film at eleven, if I am around at eleven,
Dennis L.
yup—you can get a camera to tell you what is a weed
you then have to dig it up with muscle—AI is useless at that
Fast Eddy, the moarons are at it again..
As recently as five years ago, Florida citrus growers did not routinely put individual protective covers (IPCs) on their trees as part of their grove management. Now, the mesh IPCs cover at least 1 million trees on about 17,000 acres, mostly thanks to experimentation by University of Florida Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences (UF/IFAS) researcher Fernando Alferez.
IPCs keep HLB-spreading Asian citrus psyllids off of trees. HLB is also known as citrus greening disease.
EARLY EXPERIMENTS
“The growth in IPC adoption has been exponential,” said Alferez, assistant professor of horticultural sciences at the Southwest Florida Research and Education Center. “The increase in IPC use is due in part to what we have communicated, but also word-of-mouth among growers who say it works for them. Of course, it’s also a data-driven decision.”
That data came after Alferez started experimenting with IPCs several years ago. In his first published study on the benefits of IPCs, Alferez found no signs of citrus greening on any of the trees covered by the mesh. Specifically, he found that psyllids cannot penetrate the bags because the diameter of their openings is smaller than the insects. The research results came as welcome news for growers.
“If you drive up and down U.S. 27 in Central Florida and other highways in Southwest Florida, you can see IPCs on many farms.” Alferez said.
NEW FINDINGS
While it’s advantageous that IPCs keep psyllids off of trees, Alferez also wanted to know the physiological health of trees covered with the mesh. He recently finished a new study in which he and his colleagues researched the effects of IPCs and different insecticides on young Valencia orange trees grafted onto Cleopatra rootstocks.
The scientists found that IPCs maintain the health of young trees that are already under heavy pressure from HLB. More specifically, Alferez and his team discovered that IPCs maintained chlorophyll levels in leaves.
The mesh covers also prevented an HLB-induced deficiency of foliar nitrogen and zinc, while maintaining a higher concentration of many other nutrients. In addition, IPCs prevented greening-induced accumulation of starch, sucrose and glucose in the leaves. All these findings mean healthier and more productive Valencia trees.
“We recommend IPCs as an important component of integrated pest management for this devastating disease,” said Alferez.
Source: UF/IFAS
Yep, those will be available afterwards … definitely we are going to starve without fossil fuels
you will just grow lemons in California and ship them via trains. Florida is just too humid a climate and there are pests not present in semiarid locations. There will be trains for another 50 years.
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There is absolutely nothing we humans can do about this, however. We aer not in charge of global temperature. We need to eat.
A Channel 4 documentary from 2007 featuring many prominent scientists. (Hard to believe it’s still up on YT).
They would concur with you opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY-gRFSaP7o
Also the British Royal society has published their recent findings showing that CO2 is a lagging indicator and that heating occurs first followed by a rise in CO2.
https://www.mdpi.com/2413-4155/5/3/35
“For those people who do not know what is going to happen in the next few years, the vast majority of filthy rich Republicans have built underground shelters stocked with food and water as well as lots of alcohol to party with. They do not intend to stay underground for long, as they plan on using Nuclear Weapons to blast Dirt, Dust and Sulfur from dormant volcanoes at high latitudes such as from the Aleutian Islands and mainland Alaska. I have never heard of any mention of Russian Volcanoes. I have been told by others that volcanos at the southern tip of South America may also be used.
The Dirt, Dust and Sulfur will create a nuclear winter that will last 14 to 16 months, last I heard. The Rich will come out of their shelters anytime during the Nuclear Winter, though it would be best to stay underground for at least a few days after the modern Nuclear Bomb Blasts in the dormant volcanoes. Since the modern Nukes are Fusion weapons as opposed to mainly Fission weapons as tested and used during and after WWII, the radiation intensity should be abated within a week or so.
Meanwhile, the people who do not have shelters will gradually die from the cold and the Republican goal of reducing global population to below half a billion as specified on the Georgia Guidestones (Preferably less than 300 million people as the Rich Republicans now tell me) will become a reality.
When the Nuclear Winter wanes, green life will start growing abundantly. The tremendous Green Growth will suck a lot of CO2 out of the atmosphere. Since factories will not be in operation CO2 generation from industry will be a thing of memory. With Billions of people and animals gone, the release of CO2 from animals will also greatly decrease. The Nuclear Winter will have slowed down the release of methane from the melting permafrost. With CO2 decreasing and Methane slowing in its release rate from the permafrost, the climate will come back down to temperatures that were common 20 years ago.
Slowly, temperatures will go down to levels from a century ago. No factories and few people and large animal herds will be gone. If you are a Rich Republican you will rejoice at your good fortune. If you are not rich but alive, the Republicans might enslave you for manual labor, but do not expect any favors. You will just be slave labor and expendable at any time.”?
https://www.facebook.com/JoseBarbaNueva/posts/pfbid0wZKARdLJh9VcZ3Kiiw534g1LEopG7Yr2mb2ESAuR51qmhcWh5doHrHAfdjEFEB7ml
Since the modern Nukes are Fusion weapons as opposed to mainly Fission weapons as tested and used during and after WWII, the radiation intensity should be abated within a week or so.
No idea who this moron is but there is every bit as much radioactive fallout from a hydrogen bomb (fusion) as there is from a fission bomb.
H bombs use a fission bomb to set off the fusion reaction.
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And what? What should we do?
i know!!!
Let’s install more windmills and solar panels — let’s buy EVs!!!
Not really …
https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/commodity-steel@2x.png?s=steel&v=202105032231V20200908
So if the US can’t afford to buy steel… what with their ability to sustain trillions upon trillions of debt — how does any country afford to buy steel?
Surely the steel market should collapse.
Duh.
Oh remember this? https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/10/06/us-army-awards-15b-to-boost-global-production-of-artillery-rounds/
But hey – feel free to continue making shit up …
I am now in the security line at the airport. Unbelievably long. We arrived early, based on airport information. So perhaps not a huge problem.
I am on the plane now. If I get internet for my computer after the plane takes off, I will be able to release comments from moderation. I am using my phone now.
This one needs to be released asap https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/10/06/us-army-awards-15b-to-boost-global-production-of-artillery-rounds/
Have a great trip, Gail!
Thank, I’ve learned this is definitely not a climate change place of discussion.
As Gail has pointed out repeatedly, with 8 billion folks existing on the Earth largely due to the burning of fossil fuels, there is not much we can do.
I recently pointed that fact on a Nate Hagen with Bill McKibben YouTube video in the comment section …it was deleted …
Also wrote our so called climate agreements allowed China to burn coal and in turn 350.org should be 450 .org because we are not going back to 350 ppm C02. Our fate is given..best accept it
And we’ve had it explained many times … that CC… is a way to vilify fossil fuels … so that depletion can be covered up by the fairy tale that we are transitioning to renewable energy and EVs…
Thereby ensuring the TFIs believe they can Party On… perpetually.
The TFIs fall into despair if they believe the future does not involve ordering more stuff…
I don’t have opinions I have arguments. Backed by Facts and Logic
GW is bullshit… I have explained why the keep pounding the drum on this utter nonsense
Anyone who believes man is burning up the planet is a TFI.
Notice how both sides – oblivious to The Truth that I have just stated — go round and round and round arguing and screaming at each other …
It’s the same with all sorts of issues…
e.g. voting … they refuse to accept that there is no democracy … even though they can see evidence that there is a higher power making the major decisions…
e.g. vaxxers and a vaxxers are = stoooopid… because they refuse to see that depletion of affordable energy is behind the CovCON.
When you refuse to accept The Truth… simple issues … become bewildering…
I recently pointed that fact on a Nate Hagen with Bill McKibben YouTube video in the comment section …it was deleted …
Most people don’t make the connection between them being alive and fossil fuels.
I suppose you are not aware that if you are willing to accept that you are wrong … that you will always be right?
Another useful skill is to be able to forget that you were wrong … and insist that you never said that…
I’m willing to accept that I’m wrong. Quoting CNN articles about plans to possibly produce artillery shells in useless pipsqueak allies like Canada or Poland doesn’t mean I’m wrong.
Hey maybe we in the UK could help out? Our shell factory produces 20,000 a year, enough for 2 days of the Ukraine war.
The U.S. Army said it awarded $1.5 billion in contracts to nine companies in the U.S., Canada, India and Poland to boost global production of 155mm artillery rounds.
Over the last two weeks in September, the service finalized a flurry of contracts that “resourced each major component, material or required production process to maintain momentum for the goal of 80,000 projectiles per month by the fourth quarter of fiscal 2025,” it said in an Oct. 6 statement.
Army officials have recently stated that 155mm artillery munition production will increase to 28,000 per month in October, which is double what the Army was producing at the start of the year. The plan is to build roughly 60,000 a month in FY24, reaching 80,000 by FY25. By FY26, the plan is to build 100,000 a month.
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/10/06/us-army-awards-15b-to-boost-global-production-of-artillery-rounds/
hahahahaha
Are the green groopies crying ‘WOLF!!!’ — again…. hahahahahahahaahaha
Is Guy sweating?
One of the silliest stories ever written is the Gift of the Magi by O. Henry.
William Sidney Porter was born in North Carolina, and was involved in some shady business in Texas. After doing his time, he wrote a lot of stories, which all break down to one thing – small people simply cannot catch a break.
His endless stories of poor self-pity was liked by New Yorkers who laughed at the plight of those who don’t live there.
The protagonist of this idiotic story is Della Dillingham Young. Dillingham seems to note some kind of upper class background, but for reasons unexplained, she is married to Jim Young, a poor guy. Given O’ Henry’s background it seems she is an impoverished Southern Belle.
Jim had a gold watch without fobs, so she sells her hair to buy a fob for his watch, but he said he sold it to buy a set of hair ornaments.
O. Henry ends that story in an ironic way, “Those who sacrifice their material for the people they love are as wise as the magi”, but in reality he is mocking the foolishness of Jim and the smartness of Della.
We don’t know what Della used to do before marrying Jim. Chances are she might have been one of the kept women of the rich, common back then, and the rich guy got tired of her and she found the first man who would take her.
She did sell part of her body to get what she wanted to get, meaning she will probably resume her old career with the new ornament Jim bought put at her regrown hair, while Jim lost the only thing he ever prized , for nothing.
Having watched a lot of Eugen Bauer movies (from late Russian Empire, where most of his poorer male protagonist perish so his woman can live with a richer, powerful man, which was the norm in Russia back then) I don’t see a long term happiness for these. Eventually Della will find a rich sponsor again and dump Jim like dirt, and Jim will either kill himself or drink himself to death, as normal for lower class men back then. She lives a life of luxury for a while until she runs out of sponsors, and she dies as an old , relatively well woman in some nursing home in the 1960s, and the janitor cleaning up her room after her death finds some old style ornament, and not knowing what that is, just dumps that to the trash.
Moral : Those who sacrifice something not renewable for a renewable deserve to perish.
You totally miss two people who loved each other; I suspect love evolved to avoid genetic incompatibilities. The items they exchanged were trivial compared to the power of a pair, one plus one done correctly is a group of 3 in the near future, maybe as many as 10 given procreation over a period of time and thus a connection with the fabric of the universe.
Dennis L.
Love takes a secondary role to money.
It was common for a poor woman with a child to abandon her child if a better opportunity arose, like Madame Marneff in Balzac’s Cousin Bette or Nana in Emile Zola’s book of the same name.
And, O. Henry was not into happy endings. Virtually all of his stories end with the good losing and the bad winning.
would 10 mean me and 9 ladies dennis?
i think i could manage a menage a trois , but at my age , with 9, might leave one on two less than satisfied with the arrangement.
laughing quietly, go Norm.
Dennis L.
Sadly, Norman, you were born too late to be a Medieval Muslim Monarch with a Harem, or a 19th century Mormon with divine permission to cleave unto multiple madams and misses.
ive never let religion interfere with the good times tim, though i do know one rather lovely jwitness lady who so far seems immune to my charms.
at my age though, conversion hardly seems worth the trouble, especially with no promises offered in return.—and ofw’ing would definitely be sinful.
screams of omigod is about as theistic as i am prepared to go.
How I would do an electric vehicle.
Nissan Leaf, used, poor/bad battery, replace same, diy. Car with a 50-90 mile range, maybe $12,000 max all in. No Tesla, too damn hard to work on. YouTube has many examples.
Sooner rather than later my transportation needs will change to a different environment. Laughing quietly, hopefully on a wing and a prayer.
Dennis L.
But you won’t impress your neighbors. People trying to impress others can spend a whole lot of money on unnecessary things. They can feel terrible that they “Didn’t keep up with the Joneses.”
People vary, a deep personal belief is what we purchase cannot determine who we are, it is a major problem with consumerism/mass media and leads to self-delusion and depression when reality does not match beliefs.
Some philosopher, don’t recall which had a saying, ” The pain which does not kill you makes you strong.”
Dennis L.
I don’t think your god thinks that way
Kul,
I don’t know what my god thinks and I don’t know who He is. My guess is He is not omnipotent but 80/20. Our job is to discover the fabric of the universe. It takes a very large and very old structure which itself evolves to get biology to the current point; we are evolving.
Dennis L.
Some philosopher, don’t recall which had a saying, ” The pain which does not kill you makes you strong.”
Sounds like an idiot who had never suffered from something like chronic back pain
Soon the Rich will be attacked for their destruction of the system. If the masses really knew it would have happened already. The United States has been in a great depression since 2005 but the massive amount of debt has kicked the can down the road. I can’t decide who is more dumb the person who believes biden economics or Trump economics…. All to keep the idiots in their cages….When the orange man becomes president there will be more distractions for idiots…
If there was a depression since 2005, there would be a lot of closed colleges. San Francisco would be more like Compton, and there would be many women willing to marry to any ugly dude who has enough money to provide room and board.
It doubt there would even be Marvel superhero movies because the money to finance those films would not exist.
A depression in the U.S. would be genuinely traumatic for a lot of people. It would shatter U.S. society. The U.S. had not been in a depression since the 1940s.
No the U.s has been in a depression since 2005 it is just massive debt spending that has made people not feel it but this can’t go on forever….law of exponentials. Funny how people like to talk about it when it comes to investing but not the other way around. The baby boomers are sucking us dry. Now they want to distract us with to geriatric men in diapers running for president again…
norm likes biden cuz he shows that men in diapers can do anything
Tesla owner locked out of his car until he pays $26,000 for a new battery
Kit Roberts Published 12:07, 24 December
https://www.unilad.com/technology/news/tesla-owner-locked-out-battery-605789-20231218
The video showed that the car had locked itself automatically after the battery had died. With no power for the doors, there was no getting in.
On a car with old-fashioned manual doors the situation could be resolved by simply opening the door, or calling a locksmith if you lose your keys, but that was not possible here.
And Mario was fuming after finding out that a new battery would set him back a whopping $26,000.
He captioned the video: “$26K for a new battery. Locked out of car. Recalls are needed.”
Things got so bad that he decided to sell the car, as he didn’t think it was worth the high price tag for a replacement.
There was just one problem. The proof of ownership papers for the vehicle were, you guessed it, inside the car.
Luckily, he was able to pay $30 to get a second copy of the ownership papers.
He had purchased the Tesla in 2013, but the models from that year and 2014 have an issue where fluid leaks onto the battery, which can cause huge problems.
I drive a 2013 Nissan…no problems and if there is Petro still to fill her up, plan to keep it for another decade
Copy/paste from another blog but an interesting view point .
“Every year is Groundhog Day. The data is analyzed, hypotheses are made, and the result predicts that this is going to explode… but here we continue.
It is indisputable that we are downhill, but we have not yet picked up speed. The 2020 break undoubtedly allowed us to gain a little time. I am in no rush for what I believe/believe has to come to arrive, but every day I suspect more that the final acceleration requires a significant event.
With what you argued days ago, by 2024 we can almost rule out the collapse of fracking. Now yes, it won’t last much longer, but we’re still talking about years and not months.
So for things to go terminally wrong, we are either going to war, or to a brutal economic crisis.
I don’t see war (large-scale total war, I mean) as likely. The United States is demonstrating that it no longer has the capacity to maintain several open fronts, while its adversaries can wait for their objectives to fall like ripe fruit at a much lower cost in lives. Time is on the BRICS side. That China has not decided to go after Taiwan (yet) prevents the collapse via crisis in the chip sector by 2024.
So in my opinion, and aligned with the post, what needs to be monitored is the financial system/debt/bonds/inflation to 2024. That is where the terminal phase we are in can burst. “
Yes, indeed, the financial sector does look like the vulnerable sector right now. The US with all of its debt may have difficulty keeping interest rates from rising. There is also a whole lot of debt vulnerable to non-payments (including commercial real estate, including malls; Chinese debt, particularly in the property sector; Japanese “carry trade,” if things go wrong).
A sector people have missed in the electricity sector. This sector, with all of the intermittent electricity and all of the demand for additional generation for building new EVs and batteries for EVs based on subsidies, could start having serious troubles. And, of course, electricity in Europe is only barely holding on. A very cold winter could be its undoing.
Maybe Greta Thunberg’s ilk could tell us how they could get through winter in such as Sweden, without fossil fuels?
The first winter (or perhaps two), Sweden has enough forests to burn. After that, I am not so sure.
the equation is very simple:
if trees grow faster than people, humankind survives.
if people grow faster than trees, humankind dies.
fossil fuels gave us a temporary stay of execution—but the verdict still stands.
Interesting way of putting the problem!
That’s a little too simplistic, but I get your point.
The mass of trees needs to grow faster, or as fast as, humans consume them.
my over-simplification was to hammer home the point that we live on the biomass of the earth—
as does every other species
if we destroy our biomass we cannot survive.
earth however will not allow that to happen, because earth cares for all critters—not just us.
go figure.
this is why i constantly shoot down this AI and human conspiracy nonsense—we live here as tenants, we do not own the planet.
behaving as if we do will get us evicted.
The mass of trees needs to grow faster…..
….. that’s why I’m so keen on belching out more and more C O 2.
https://sepwww.stanford.edu/sep/jon/co2trees.jpg
YES!!! Fortunately we continue to set new records every year – to the dismay of Greta the TFI
i knew we could rely on you to save humankind tim
Tim said
However, the earth is no longer greening:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-stopped-getting-greener-20-years-ago/
In North American temperate forests, the rule of thumb is “a cord an acre per year” can be harvested sustainably.
There is, of course, a lot of wiggle-room and techniques like coppicing and species like Paulownia can improve things.
Fossil fuels will go away, one way or the other. Since they are also causing environmental issues, the sooner the better but we’d better plan for the end of fossil fuels, regardless, though I don’t expect any planning.
but we’d better plan for the end of fossil fuels, regardless, though I don’t expect any planning.
You can’t plan an entropic collapse.
thats like deciding to join the circus to become a tightrope walker
without checking someone has tied the knot on the other end of the rope
I suspect the trigger will be related to inflation… they may be forced to reduce interest rates because BAU’s eyeballs are bursting …. but doing so may cause BAU to have a massive heart attack.
We need to get to a rock and hard place situation — once they know that is imminent…
They WILL… release the Pathogen.
They WILL… release the Pathogen.
Better tell them to be quick FE, things seems to be bursting at its seams now…. CRE, Interest rates, inflation, debts, etc etc.
Now that the elders are set up in the red sea they control a large percentage of oil barrels it is going to be easier to keep the oil price controlled yessirree the elders have begun the puppet show bau-lite forever baby.
No two situations were ever alike, McCombe said.
“We see people who are homeless, living rough, and struggling with their mental health. We see people in retirement who cannot make ends meet on their superannuation. We see families facing eviction because they cannot afford their rent.
“We see people who are ill, perhaps terminally ill, wanting to address debt so that they leave their family in the best position possible. We see people who have been scammed and people who have taken on debt that is consuming their lives.”
McCombe said it also has clients “who simply can’t keep up with the rising cost of living”.
“It is huge for our clients. Many struggled before the cost of living crisis and it impacts every aspect of their lives because it is not just food, it is petrol, rent, mortgage rates, services, electricity, insurance.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/tauranga-where-homelessness-and-people-who-cant-afford-to-live-still-exists/UXX6O6DBUNGHJLLVNLI3YZFVNM/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/cost-of-living/
It is a great lie that sad new zealand is in any way a good country. It is an evil, violent abomination.
It could, however serve one great purpose and one great purpose alone.
A third world war could be averted in the following way:
Show the world the horrors of nuclear weapon usage by nuking sad new zealand from space. The result could be broadcast around the world.
As the world’s most irrelevant country there would be nothing lost and much to be gained.
Kiwis would not agree
the real ones…..with feathers…..
Once I exit I recommend using NZ to test nukes.
Show the world the horrors of nuclear weapon usage by nuking sad new zealand from space. The result could be broadcast around the world.
I support this plan.
New Zealand is being gentrified, cleaned up for those who deserve to enjoy its natural resources.
The freeloaders need not apply and they will be eliminated with cold blood
See the ram raids in Auckland? Anyone with any ability is leaving …. and the meth heads will stay
😂 that’s one of the funniest things I’ve read in a long time. I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic though. But that makes it even more hilarious 🤣 . That’s what I like about you seem like a Thurston Howe character from Gilligans island. But maybe that’s your schtick!!
Victory!!! https://t.me/leaklive/17427
Funny https://t.me/leaklive/17430
Remember Lord of the Flies???? Mad Max????
https://twitter.com/i/status/1739168850875396370
It is important to recognize that our intelligent living cells through the action of APOBEC enzymes are mutating the virus to create new variants like JN1. The virus is not mutating itself as it has no life nor intelligence in it. Our bodies are mutating the virus. Why? To produce cellular protection of infection that occurs on the epithelial barrier due to the action of cytotoxic T-cells that get trained through the highly infectious but not yet highly virulent mutated variant called JN1 that is rapidly spreading through the population.
If we stop vaccinating, this cellular protection of infection will be able to stop the infection from spreading because the majority will have the ability to NOT become infected. How? Because the highly infectious variant comes through the epithelial barrier in a natural way, and the cytotoxic T-cells get trained to recognize and remember ALL proteins on the virus, even the ones that recently mutated. These broadly powerful cytotoxic T-cells will then prevent any future variants from getting through the epithelial barrier, and the spread stops. That is called herd immunity.
But, if we continue to vaccinate, the cytotoxic T-cells in the bodies of the vaccinated will become refocused on the protein created from the shot, not the many proteins on the actual virus particle that is circulating. Therefore, infections will continue to take place in the vaccinated, and herd immunity never happens. These actions of refocusing cellular immunity on the wrong protein will induce the bodies of the vaccinated to further mutate the virus so that the vaccinated will be gifted another chance to develop cellular protection of infection. Don’t throw that gift away.
Stop vaccinating now, or we’re headed for real trouble. The mutations that have happened up to this point have been mainly on the spike protein part of the virus. The JN1 variant now rapidly spreading shows mutations to other parts of the virus. If we continue to vaccinate, the potential exists for vaccine driven mutations to not only become more infectious, but more virulent.
https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/the-gift-of-jn1-is-here
It is not our cells mutating the virus. All mutations seem to be created in labs.
“The analysis showed that Omicron variants were formed by an entirely new mechanism that cannot be explained by previous biology, and knowing how the SARS-CoV-2 variants were formed prompts a reconsideration of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic”
https://zenodo.org/records/8361577
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, Gail! Wishing you a season filled with warmth, joy, and delightful moments. May the coming year bring you prosperity, good health.
Thanks very much!
So far, so good. Prosperity seems to come fairly easily when a person is quite thrifty with what they buy. I have been fortunate, so far, with health.
The best thing anyone can do for their health is to abandon allopathy and embrace naturopathy.
Eating food in close to its natural form helps a whole lot, too. One book I read long ago said that a person’s body doesn’t know what to do with pre-digested food.
Agree, something is wrong with our diet; there is no comparison between obesity now and that of the 1950-60’s. I am generous with flax seeds in my oatmeal and chia seeds on my salads with vinegar and olive oil dressing.
Thanks for the encouragement to be thrifty, it really helps mentally when I am doing a floor with hardwood diy rather than hire. That is hard sometimes, one plank at a time. It is after tax money.
Dennis L.
Jack La Lane said it quiet simply: “If man makes (modifies ) it, don’t eat it.”
The compliment to this is “undernutrition without malnutrition.”
That goes double if that man is Bill Gates.
Linda McCartney’s veggie burgers were bad enough—with her face on every packet.
You are right. However, in Turkey, people who bought houses, properties, etc. with low-interest rates have made significant gains for quite some time. With high inflation and low interest rates, borrowing at low interest for a long time has provided a significant advantage to certain segments. Those with money have become even richer as a result. But ultimately, as your impressive analyses also indicate, these are short-term, and unfortunately, civilization is collapsing. Nevertheless, despite everything, I’m glad you’re healthy;
our well-being is the priceless treasure that outshines all others.
Who writes this garbage?
Experts fear WW3 as “Super AI Weapons” set to enter warfare by end of the decade
The AI revolution is here, and it’s changing the world as we know it. Specifically, the world of war. It recently emerged that Israel Defense Forces (IDF) are actively using an AI system named ‘Habsora’ to identify targets in their conflict with Hamas in Gaza.
Commenting on the situation in Gaza and the broader realm of warfare, political sociologist Bianca Baggiarini warned that military forces already employ remote and autonomous systems as “force multipliers” to amplify the effectiveness of their troops and safeguard their soldiers.
Evidently, Bianca Baggiarini, a product of some humanities department, who can not understand that electronic warfare negates all this.
Lately, when one listens to an Italian name saying something on mainstream media, unfortunately one needs to make the sign of the Cross.
I enjoyed the Battlestar Galactica reboot where networked computers were forbidden. And the drama was then the wavefront of virus compromised computers competing against the desired computation’s termination.
Our Internet is even built that way! ‘Cept we are the infection on its system. And our progress on viral take over is reported on. I caught my business printer updating a google stats collector for each time I scanned a page.
One cannot but wonder how durable all this AI stuff would be in the absence of electricity or the event of an EMP
Robots or whatever do not yet appear to me sufficiently evolved to rebuild generation plant and geographical distribution networks
The state existing between our civilizations must be a MAD standoff
Your “we the infection” remark, Flowerpot, reminded me of a comment by reante in which the idea was floated that humans are not the cultivators of cereals but it’s the other way round
Did they? If they did was it orchestrated as part of Operation Fake World???
Taiwan says eight Chinese fighter jets crossed strait’s median line
TAIPEI, Dec 24 (Reuters) – Taiwan’s defence ministry said on Sunday that over the previous 24 hours it had detected eight Chinese fighter jets crossing over the median line of the Taiwan Strait, as well as one Chinese balloon.
Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory, has repeatedly complained of Chinese military activity around the island over the past four years. China has been stepping up its missions near Taiwan as the Jan. 13 presidential and parliamentary elections on the island approach.
If China is having internal problems, a standard way of hiding them is by starting as war somewhere. If this is happening, it could be the reason behind the strange goings on.
Plus the US failures everywhere have encouraged them to do it earlier rather than later.
Good point!
More provocative testing by PRC as they sense less willingness and capability of Taiwan and US to respond.
Gail, the lack of awareness is mind-blowing! You must realle be an NPC, unfortunately….
The US is starting a new war every year now and the number of psyops is huge, but NPCs like you STILL follow the CIA propaganda and point fingers at others….
I am sorry, but this is just too stupid.
What’s wrong with war?
Taiwan says eight Chinese fighter jets crossed strait’s median line
The median line is not an internationally recognised boundary nor has China agreed not to cross it. China does not recognise Taiwan or its borders. Taiwan is not a country.
And yet more rubbish .. fake
Biden’s attack on Nord Stream pipelines was aimed at Germany – Seymour Hersh
The idea that a US president commissioned a move aimed at a close ally, however, remains taboo in the West
The attack on the Nord Stream pipelines commissioned by US President Joe Biden was primarily aimed at Germany rather than Russia, investigative reporter Seymour Hersh has claimed. The decision to destroy the key pipelines was prompted by US fears that Berlin might not follow Washington’s lead amid the Ukraine conflict, Hersh wrote in a new article on the affair on his Substack blog on Friday.
I hadn’t thought of this reason: ” The decision to destroy the key pipelines was prompted by US fears that Berlin might not follow Washington’s lead amid the Ukraine conflict, Hersh wrote in a new article on the affair on his Substack blog on Friday.”
It seemed like the major reason for the attack was that the US wanted a chance to sell its LNG to Germany and others at a much higher price. Cutting off the chance of importing natural gas from Russia would be a way to raise the price that the US could get on its exports of LNG. It would also raise the volume that could be sold. There might even be a possibility that US natural gas prices could be pushed higher, by creating an artificial shortage by selling so much abroad.
The thing is ..
It’s a Big Club … and the German leadership is in it… and they understand that The Club owners are all powerful… so they never oppose the will of the Owners… or they will be replaced…
The UKE war is fake
Nordstream is not blown up.
Everything is fake. Unfortunately that leaves us at risk of going insane…. one can feel rudderless…bewildered…. is up really up? Is left actually right? When you apply this to every issue presented in the news… there’s not enough time in the day to even begin to try to unravel all it….
It becomes overwhelming.
I thought that the attempt to blow up the Nordsteam pipeline was partially successful. Of course, it could be repaired, if that was the choice to be made.
I thought I read that too … but I don’t buy it
Can we tell the TRUTH of anything beyond our senses?
but that doesn’t mean the narratives are all fake
The coxcomb bird, so talkative and grave,
That from his cage cries cuckold, whore, and knave,
Tho’ many a passenger he rightly call,
You hold him no philosopher at all.
Alexander Pope
But can you, or anyone, tell which ones might not be fake, if any are? In our personal lives, most of us would not believe _anything_ a habitual liar tells us. So why would we believe anything that media/government/corporate/etc. habitual liars tell us?
DB, you hit the nail on the head.
Why would people here (that pretend they understand that we are lied constantly) EVER believe anything the CIA tells us (via MSM)?
The short answer is most people are NPCs. They are incapable of thought. They CAN repeat an idea you tell them (“MSM is propaganda”) but that does not mean they understand it. Tomorrow they’ll repeat an idea from MSM just as glibly.
Just look above at Gail (NPC queen) repeating US propaganda about China.
If you ask her if she trusts the MSM, will say no but that’s a lie.
Unfortunately that leaves us at risk of going insane….
You are insane and need psychiatric treatment.
They said the great Colonel Kurtz was insane… therefore I take that as a compliment
Greatness is frequently branded insanity … by the TFIs who haven’t had an original thought throughout their entire lives… Genius Envy
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/75357/15-historys-greatest-mad-scientists
>i>They said the great Colonel Kurtz was insane… therefore I take that as a compliment
What, really, did Colonel Kurtz achieve though?
Record ivory exports
Islamists Planned Huge Attacks In Europe On Christian Sites Over Christmas Period
Authorities at key locations are on high alert after it was revealed that Islamists planned attacks throughout Europe targeting Christian sites.
Security services in Germany, Spain, Austria have beefed up their presence outside churches and other major landmarks after learning terrorists had schemed to bring chaos to major cities over the Christmas period. Concern was particularly high around Cologne Cathedral in Germany, site of the infamous New Year’s Eve 2015 mass molestation of women by huge gangs of migrants from North Africa.
More rubbish
My guess is CIA is working overtime on more psyops in Europe – otherwise people might start asking questions about CBDC, loss of freedom and descent into poverty.
Kill some women and children and tell them they have to tighten the belt to fight ISIS (it stands for Israel security forces, no joke) and every NPC will march to the gas chamber happy.
Breaking News: Chinese, Iranian and Indian Warships Are Now in the Red Sea, Gulf of Aden
A Russian military blog post posted on Thursday, December 21 at 11:33 Moscow time, has revealed the hitherto secret positions of all warships in the area which the Pentagon has announced for its OPERATION PROSPERITY GUARDIAN.
The fresh data and the open map (lead image) were not available when yesterday’s report was published at 09:32 Moscow time of Russia’s “two-track” strategy for opposing the US and NATO, and for protecting Russian oil shipments while the Houthi drone and missile operations are under way against Israel.
And more nonsense… Fear The Hooties… all powerful HOOTIES! The PR Team has fun just making stuff up
The Hooties are the Honey Badgers of the middle east. Honey Badgers do not fear the great satan.
I can see that making up stories to be distributed might be a somewhat useful way to make use of the skills of creative writers.
Back in 2009, I participated in a symposium at the US Naval War Academy regarding all the things that might go wrong in the year ahead. Those who were involved with developing “war games” wanted ideas from people coming from different areas of expertise. I remember that there were novelists, as well as people from other areas, like over-fished oceans and climate change, and me (representing oil limits).
These making video games today also want to examine possible scenarios, to put into their story lines. They also are interested in “what might happen.”
That’s very interesting about your experience at the symposium and drawing a parallel to video game designers. The latter are a lot like the government propagandists (and may even be contracted propagandists). I suspect both groups tap into people who have ideas that are fearful and likely to keep the public engaged and distracted.
Iran threatens to close Strait of Gibraltar and Mediterranean Sea unless Israel stops bombing Gaza as US warns Tehran is ‘deeply involved’ in attacks on shipping
Iran has threatened to close off the Strait of Gibraltar and the Mediterranean Sea if Israel and its allies continue to commit ‘crimes’ in Gaza.
Iran, which has backed Hamas, accused the US and other western states of propping up Israel’s alleged war crimes committed during its ground offensive in the Gaza Strip, where more than 20,000 people have died since October 7.
ooooooooooo…. big bad Iran!!!! If that’s not sufficient … they’ll shut down the Panama Canal and the St Lawrence seaway… then the Mississippi…. next up the Amazon River….
They know the US has no ammo … (even though they still have those trillion dollar DOD budgets and all the ammo makers share prices have not collapsed and all the workers sent packing)…. the US is powerless to stop them…
The Iranians can do whatever they want… and the US will not bomb Tehran …
This is The Fall of Rome 2.0
And everyone just accepts this utter bullshit – without questioning… cuz bbccnn said to
Peak bombing was in 2011. You and others like Norm who are stuck in the past are quite charming. But you can’t fight drones with 1940s equipment.
Drones have existed for quite a few years… funny the primitive Hooties and other organizations are just now realizing they can be used to kill the big bad wolf…
Hey how do you control a drone? Who makes the drones? Do the Hooties make the drones?
Do ya think that Silicon Valley — where tech gets invented… would not have a way for the US military — high tech military — not have a way to block or override the signals that control the drones… and crash them into the ground
Feel free to visit bbccnn and be told what to think then come back to OFW and try it on…
https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/indiamoon_feat.jpg
I recently read a book at the Silk Road drug site… seems a couple of the FBI fellas involved in the investigation decided to ‘anonymously’ steal nearly a mill of Bitcoin from the site — yep they believed Bitcoin movements could not be tracked… cuz that’s what everyone has been told…. but magically they were both arrested … no explanation of how they were outed… but clearly that anonymous thing is bs…
If you make it — and the US govt is behind Bitcoin… you can control it
yep they believed Bitcoin movements could not be tracked… cuz that’s what everyone has been told….
Who told you that? Everyone who knows anything about it knows bitcoin has a public ledger. If you want untrackable, you use Monero (XMR).
Who told me? A Bitcoin holder told me… most holders of crypto believe they cannot be identified
It has been a totem of the cryptocurrency community that the numeric addresses of Bitcoin and other wallets will protect the identity of those using them to buy and sell.
https://www.zdnet.com/finance/blockchain/the-paper-that-just-blew-up-bitcoins-claim-to-anonymity/
Obviously not true — just like the moon landings are not true — 911 is not true — and the US has not reduced it’s production of arms due to a shortage of steel… that’s not true either
Who told me? A Bitcoin holder told me… most holders of crypto believe they cannot be identified
Sounds like an idiot who doesn’t know the first thing about it. Why am I not surprised he was associating with you.
Most holders of BC believe that… most… (the majority)… https://www.zdnet.com/finance/blockchain/the-paper-that-just-blew-up-bitcoins-claim-to-anonymity/
Just like you believe the US is unable to produce ammo because they don’t have any steel.
Hahahahahahaha… see what I did to you??? Do you see????? hahahahaha
Most holders of BC believe that… most… (the majority)…
Everyone I have spoken to about it knows all about the ledger and is able to search it for wallet addresses and transactions. I guess you’re talking to the wrong people.
They have just like transistors existed for 10-15 years before integrated circuits. At some point there was a step in manufacturing or armaments that made a difference. and here we are. The significant step IMHO is the ability to swarm. to win the houthis need only dent some containers, so the requirements are quite low. Russia, IIRC, started the first mass production plant in Dubna only 3 years ago IIRC. Many middle eastern actors developed their own because they had no other option.
Peak bombing was in 2011. You and others like Norm who are stuck in the past are quite charming.
Share prices are up, so that must mean more anthracite coal has appeared in the exhausted mines and US Steel is a mighty colossus again and the Rust Belt doesn’t exist.
Stop spinning lies to make CTs. Biden is the peace president.
The lack of US ammunition, and the inability to make more ammunition, are a big deal. This is not getting into mainstream media news.
Instead, the US is good at making viruses that don’t do exactly what those making them were hoping they would do. Germ warfare, instead.
Where is the evidence that the US MIC is struggling to make ammo?
Eddy is right. Consider that the economy is booming, the factories are ultra modern, and raw materials are plentiful and declining in price. Also, the specialized personnel is produced abundantly by the famous and rigorous american technical schools. Indeed Ukraine is outshelling Russia 10 to 1, and Israel is bombing away, while the USA prepares for conflicts in Guyana and Taiwan.
All American schools exist to create securities assets for the banks.
They provide a secondary goal of providing a New Dealstyle of make-work for many women but its primary purpose is to provide revenue streams for banks.
Where is the evidence that the US MIC is struggling to make ammo?
To make artillery ammunition you need new steel not recycled steel. The US can’t produce much of that due to severely depleted resources.
You’re mentally stuck forever in the late 80s/early 90s when the US seemed unstoppable.
Wow – it’s TFI day on OFW.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/209343/steel-production-in-the-us/
https://www.statista.com/topics/1149/steel-industry/
The US could produce no steel. They’d just use the USD to buy steel from other countries.
However they are number 4… so it would appear they have plenty of steel to make weapons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_steel_production
If they didn’t have enough steel then the industry would collapse … it doesn’t take a rocket science degree… but you’d need at least a passing mark in grade 3….
See the share prices – DUH.
Unreal. Why do I cast my pearls amongst swine
https://www.fool.com/investing/stock-market/market-sectors/industrials/defense-stocks/
Yes, share prices and productivity are 100% correlated, always have and always will be. and of course it is known that shells constitute the bulk of profits, not, say, F-35 gadgetry.
The U.S. Army said it awarded $1.5 billion in contracts to nine companies in the U.S., Canada, India and Poland to boost global production of 155mm artillery rounds.
Over the last two weeks in September, the service finalized a flurry of contracts that “resourced each major component, material or required production process to maintain momentum for the goal of 80,000 projectiles per month by the fourth quarter of fiscal 2025,” it said in an Oct. 6 statement.
Army officials have recently stated that 155mm artillery munition production will increase to 28,000 per month in October, which is double what the Army was producing at the start of the year. The plan is to build roughly 60,000 a month in FY24, reaching 80,000 by FY25. By FY26, the plan is to build 100,000 a month.
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/10/06/us-army-awards-15b-to-boost-global-production-of-artillery-rounds/
https://youtu.be/-YZnORoAWkA
https://youtu.be/VBML3VpbuYQ
You what defines a fool? A fool just makes sh-it up… no logic… no common sense… just spews rubbish …. even if someone points them to facts and logic… they will continue to make a fool of themself
I recall a friend who is a teacher telling me once that during a school assembly there was a minute of silence … 30 seconds in one of the winkies makes an EEEEawwwwk EEEEEawk squeal… I said so what happened — he said everyone laughed even though you should never laugh at a winkie cuz they don’t have the excuse of being a TFI cuz they are mentally challenged
What’s your excuse?
The US could produce no steel. They’d just use the USD to buy steel from other countries.
Unfortunately that is getting rather expensive
Yes, share prices and productivity are 100% correlated, always have and always will be. and of course it is known that shells constitute the bulk of profits, not, say, F-35 gadgetry
eddy is unable to grasp that there is only one shell manufacturing plant in the USA, operated by the government. I have told him a few times but he can’t process the information.
His mixture of western subculture and prepping is no better than the average zerohedge commenter. The market, baby!
In his defense, you started by discussing steel manufacturing and are now shifting to the topic of shell shell manufacturers, since he showed that we are one of the major steel producers.
There could be no shell manufacturing plants in the US…. just like most manufacturing has been offshored…. last I looked it was not difficult to purchase a TEEv or an iphone in America…. neither is produced in America.
Yet wars keep starting and shells are fired. If there was a shortage of steel, there’d be a shortage of weapons for genocide, which there isn’t. Substitutes are being used.
I’m cynical. This so-called artilllary shortage may be a cover for limiting support for Ukraine and Israel. It may also hide supply chain problems that leaders created with the Cold War 2.0, lockdowns and decades of industrialization. The steel is there but the international cooperation required to produce it is not there.
There’s a lot to process here. The Ukraine used the entire U.S. military’s artillary stockpile but has been sustaining heavy losses. The U..S did not have this problem in during the Vietnam War or The War on Terror, and yet they lost those wars in the eyes of many.
There is no steel shortage
Global steel output up in November: Worldsteel – Steel Market Update
6 days agoAll told, world steel production stood at 145.5 million metric tons in November 2023, up 3.3% from November 2022. China – by far the world’s largest steel producer – made 76.1 million tons of steel in November 2023, up 0.4% from November of last year. The United States produced 6.6 million…
https://www.steelmarketupdate.com/2023/12/21/glo/
WTF? Does OFW have brain fog?
since he showed that we are one of the major steel producers.
Of RECYCLED steel, for the millionth time.
Yet wars keep starting and shells are fired. If there was a shortage of steel, there’d be a shortage of weapons for genocide, which there isn’t.
Genocide? What are you babbling about?
It’s very very simple. To manufacture shells, brand new (virgin) steel is needed. Same with electrical transformers.
The US has trouble producing either of those things because it has trouble producing new steel.
Hilarious!!!
Oh and let’s not forget https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/indiamoon_feat.jpg
We can melt down old steel, and produce a little low-quality steel.
You should work for bbccnn — you are good at making stuff up
The U.S. Army said it awarded $1.5 billion in contracts to nine companies in the U.S., Canada, India and Poland to boost global production of 155mm artillery rounds.
Over the last two weeks in September, the service finalized a flurry of contracts that “resourced each major component, material or required production process to maintain momentum for the goal of 80,000 projectiles per month by the fourth quarter of fiscal 2025,” it said in an Oct. 6 statement.
Army officials have recently stated that 155mm artillery munition production will increase to 28,000 per month in October, which is double what the Army was producing at the start of the year. The plan is to build roughly 60,000 a month in FY24, reaching 80,000 by FY25. By FY26, the plan is to build 100,000 a month.
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/10/06/us-army-awards-15b-to-boost-global-production-of-artillery-rounds/
Hopefully that will shut you the f789 up. But as we have seen – facts generally do not matter to the TFI crowd… who believe India has landed that Lego set thing on the moon
Next up – Fast will have Withnail lick his books… after he tramps through a field of dog sh it.
Did that last post make you angry? It’s the usual reaction when someone is proved wrong
The U.S. Army said it awarded $1.5 billion in contracts to nine companies in the U.S., Canada, India and Poland to boost global production of 155mm artillery rounds
Good luck with that.
Good luck????
Are you accepting that you are wrong?
It didn’t need to come to this … before posting your nonsense you could have done – as I did — a bit of research…. and you could have been right from the get go…
Now you’ve forced me to make a fool of you … and this has elicited feelings of intense anger… that is the result of feeling shame … feeling like a fool… nobody likes to feel that…
The normal reaction is to lash out … direct your feelings of shame and disgust with yourself at the one who exposed you ….
This is unhealthy behaviour … it only creates stress and anxiety… the way forward is to repeat after me:
Fast Eddy thee is The GOAT and I apologize for doubting you. For you are the font of all wisdom and the King of Kings. The Emperor of Emperors. I bow to your greatness… as your humble servant. Let me lick your shoes as my penance. I was wrong and you were right. I acknowledge my failing. And now thanks to YOU I have seen the light… and I am now aligned in thought with YOU — and I see the light
. The United States produced 6.6 million…
Of what?
There could be no shell manufacturing plants in the US…. just like most manufacturing has been offshored….
Do you think China is going to be making artillery shells for the US?
You can forget about industrial pipsqueaks like Canada or Poland making any real difference.
You must have missed this…
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Army said it awarded $1.5 billion in contracts to nine companies in the U.S., Canada, India and Poland to boost global production of 155mm artillery rounds.
Over the last two weeks in September, the service finalized a flurry of contracts that “resourced each major component, material or required production process to maintain momentum for the goal of 80,000 projectiles per month by the fourth quarter of fiscal 2025,” it said in an Oct. 6 statement.
Army officials have recently stated that 155mm artillery munition production will increase to 28,000 per month in October, which is double what the Army was producing at the start of the year. The plan is to build roughly 60,000 a month in FY24, reaching 80,000 by FY25. By FY26, the plan is to build 100,000 a month.
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/10/06/us-army-awards-15b-to-boost-global-production-of-artillery-rounds/
Now now … feel free to continue to insist the US is unable to produce artillery shells and bullets… I’m calling the asylum — they’ll pick you up shortly… I have paid the bill in advance to get you some help with your mental illness
Good luck????
Are you accepting that you are wrong?
No, because I’m not wrong. All you’ve done is quote some vague CNN article about vague plans to produce shells in countries even weaker industrially than the US.
Army officials have recently stated that 155mm artillery munition production will increase to 28,000 per month in October, which is double what the Army was producing at the start of the year. The plan is to build roughly 60,000 a month in FY24, reaching 80,000 by FY25. By FY26, the plan is to build 100,000 a month.
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/10/06/us-army-awards-15b-to-boost-global-production-of-artillery-rounds/
I am going to explain it to you Eddy. The neocons thought, we have plenty of steel, let’s bomb four countries, or seven. But then they asked Bianca Baggiarini and her friends to check that everything could work out. And they can not tell the difference between virgin steel and concrete, and here we are. They sought an AI solution to the problem. also the highest quality steel for cannons is ever rarer, as the world is burning less ans less anthracite.
Oh – so they used up all the steel supplying the UKEYS… with artillery shells etc…
Can you show me some clips of the cities that rubble in Russia?
Again https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/10/06/us-army-awards-15b-to-boost-global-production-of-artillery-rounds/
also the highest quality steel for cannons is ever rarer, as the world is burning less ans less anthracite.
That’s right. Back in the glory days of US steel, there was plenty of anthracite so good that it didn’t need to be coked.
It wasn’t just oil that made the US so powerful, it was steel production.
Now there is the so-called Rust Belt, a wasteland where the plants and jobs used to be. Pretty much like a lot of the UK.
Strange that eddy can’t grasp the concept of depletion.
I do enjoy how you make this stuff up … it’s like a 4 yr old who makes up an imaginary friend
Artillery Ammunition Market Analysis. The Artillery Ammunition Market size is expected to grow from USD 1.67 billion in 2023 to USD 2.11 billion by 2028, at a CAGR of 4.82% during the forecast period (2023-2028).
https://www.mordorintelligence.com/industry-reports/artillery-ammunition-market
hahahahaha…. clown world… just keep on making sh it up … if it makes you feel better…
I suppose you believe this shortage will result in KOOMbaya – all war will end hahahahaha
I suppose you believe this shortage will result in KOOMbaya – all war will end hahahahaha
I think it will result in Russia winning the war and the US losing what credibility it had left as the ‘leader of the world’.
As I keep saying, you’re mentally stuck in about 1991.
Watch out for North Korea – apparently they have plenty of quality steel and are about to take over the world!!!!