Is it possible that the world is approaching end times?

I frequently write that the world economy is, in physics terms, a dissipative structure that is powered by energy. It can grow for a time, but eventually it reaches limits of many kinds. Ultimately, it can be expected to stop growing and collapse.

It seems to me that the world economy is showing signs that it has reached a turning point. Economic growth stopped in 2020 and is having trouble restarting in 2021. Fossil fuel energy of all types (oil, coal and natural gas) is in short supply, relative to the world’s huge population. Ultimately, this inadequate energy supply can be expected to pull the world economy toward collapse.

The world economy doesn’t behave the way most people would expect. Standard modeling approaches miss the point that economies require adequate supplies of energy products of the right kinds, provided at the right times of day and year, if they are to keep from collapsing. Shortages are not necessarily marked by high prices; prices that are too low for producers will bring down the energy supply quickly. A collapse may occur due to inadequate demand; in fact, such a scenario is described in Revelation 18.

As strange as it may seem, we may be approaching what some of us would think of as end times, if our economy collapses for lack of cheap-to-produce energy supplies. In this post, I will try to explain what is happening.


[1] In some ways, the self-organizing economy is like a child’s building toy that, with the use of human energy, can be built up to higher and higher levels.

Figure 1. Thought map by Gail Tverberg.

The economy is gradually built up by the addition of new customers, new businesses and new products. Governments play a role as well, adding new infrastructure, laws and taxes. Adequate wages for employees are important because, to a significant extent, employees are also consumers of goods and services made by the economy.

Adequate energy supplies of the right types are terribly important because every process used by the economy requires energy, even if the only energy used is electricity to light a light bulb or operate a computer. Heating and cooling require energy, as does transportation.

Human energy is an important part of the economy, as well. Humans eat food to provide them with energy. An individual human’s own energy output is relatively tiny; it is about equal to the output of a 100-watt light bulb. With the use of supplemental energy of various kinds, humans can do many tasks that would not be possible otherwise, such as cooking food, creating metals from ores, heating homes, and building cars and trucks.

The economy cannot “go backwards” because, if a product is no longer needed, it will no longer be produced. The economy represented by Figure 1 is in some sense hollow inside. For example, once people started using automobiles, buggy whips were no longer made. If cities went back to using horses as their main means of transport, we would need manure removal services. These, too, would be missing.

[2] Another way of thinking about the world economy is that it is somewhat like a rocket that needs fuel. It also has waste outputs. Both of these limit the growth of the world economy.

Figure 2. Chart by Gail Tverberg.

The economy uses a wide array of inputs. At the same time, it produces a whole host of undesirable outputs. Inputs need to be inexpensive to produce, or citizens will not be able to afford the goods and services made by the system. The waste outputs cannot become too significant, or they can lead the economy to fail. In fact, with the world’s growing population, we seem to be reaching many limits with respect to both inputs and undesirable outputs, simultaneously.

[3] Strangely enough, the major energy limit that the world economy is hitting seems to be “energy prices that do not rise high enough for producers.”

This energy limit is exactly the opposite of what most people are looking for. They assume that “demand” will always rise. In fact, the cost of production of energy products keeps rising because the easy to produce energy products are produced first. It is the market prices that energy products can be sold for that do not rise adequately.

When we trace the problem back, we discover that the problem with prices arises from the equivalence between producers of goods and services and consumers of goods and services indicated on Figure 1. In order to have enough “demand” to keep energy prices high enough for providers, it turns out that even the very low wage people in the world economy need to be able to afford necessities such as food, water, clothing, basic housing and transportation. In fact, if the cost of extracting fossil fuels rises too quickly because of depletion, or if the cost of getting renewable electricity into a form in which it is useful for society rises too much, there may be a situation when even a price based on full demand from all consumers is too low for energy producers.

Let’s define “return on human labor” as what a person without advanced training can earn by selling his physical labor as unskilled labor. Rather than dollar or euro terms, wages need to be thought of in terms of the physical goods and services that these wages can purchase. If supplemental energy per capita is rising rapidly, the return on human labor tends to rise. This happens because with higher energy consumption, humans can have more tools and technology requiring energy at their command. For example, the period between 1950 and 1970 was a time when energy consumption was rising rapidly. It was also a time of rising standards of living, even for workers without advanced training.

Figure 3. World per capita energy consumption, with the 1950-1980 period of rapid growth highlighted. World Energy Consumption by Source, based on Vaclav Smil’s estimates from Energy Transitions: History, Requirements and Prospects (Appendix) together with BP Statistical Data for 1965 and subsequent years, divided by population estimates by Angus Maddison.

The world economy can be expected to run into a major problem once supplemental energy consumption per capita starts falling because then human labor is necessarily less leveraged by fewer machines, such as trucks and airplanes. In total, fewer goods and services can be produced.

If energy supply is inadequate, businesses often find it advantageous to substitute computers or other machines for some work previously done by low paid workers. While these machines use a little energy in their operation, they do not need food, housing or transportation the way human workers do. With fewer actual workers, demand for finished goods and services tends to fall, pushing commodity prices, including those for fossil fuels, down. This further adds to the low-price problem.

It is the lack of jobs that pay well that tends to hold down commodity prices below the prices producers require. Ultimately, it is the lack of sufficient jobs that pay well that tends to bring the whole economy down. Most researchers have missed this important point.

[4] In the period leading up to collapse, wages fail to rise with the cost of required services. This leads to increasingly unhappy workers. Healthcare costs and college costs are especially problematic, because their costs have been rising faster than costs in general.

Figure 4. Illustrates the issue that seems to be occurring:

Figure 4. Chart from Washington Post based on a Cost-of-Thriving analysis by Oren Cass.

When energy consumption per capita is growing rapidly, the economy adds items that were not previously considered necessary. Instead of a basic education for all being sufficient, advanced education (often paid for by the student) becomes necessary for many jobs. Healthcare costs keep rising rapidly, making it more difficult to make wages cover all necessary expenses (Figure 4).

We can see additional evidence that workers have been tending to get poorer in recent years by looking at the trend in the number of light vehicles purchased. With rising population, a person would expect the number of automobiles sold to increase, year after year, if citizens found their incomes as adequate as in the past. Instead, we see a pattern of falling automobile sales, practically everywhere, starting well before 2020. For example, peak light vehicle sales in China occurred in 2017.

Figure 5. Auto sales by country based on data of VDA.de.

[5] An increase in debt can temporarily be used to hide both inadequate inexpensive-to-produce energy supply and inadequate wages of workers, but we seem to be reaching limits using this approach to hide energy problems.

The last time the world had relatively stable low oil prices was in the years prior to 1973. As noted previously, low energy prices tend to make finished goods, such as homes and cars, inexpensive to buy and operate. Thus, they tend to be affordable.

Figure 6. Inflation-adjusted oil prices based on data of BP’s 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy.

The big issue if oil and other prices rise very high is that the selling prices of goods and services tend to rise too high to be affordable to consumers. The workaround that was developed to fix this unaffordability problem was to change the economy to use more debt. To be affordable, interest rates had to fall lower and lower. Peak interest rates occurred in 1981; they have been trending downward since then.

Figure 7. 10-Year US Treasury and 3-Month Treasury yields, through November 2021. Chart by St. Louis Federal Reserve (FRED).

If debt at ever-lower interest rates is available, assets such as homes, farmland, factories and shares of stock become more affordable, allowing prices of these assets to rise. Owners of these assets feel wealthier. In fact, they may borrow more money against the inflated price of these assets and use this money to buy more goods and services made with commodities, thus helping to raise commodity prices. The lower interest rates make the purchase of automobiles more affordable as well, helping to raise the price of commodities used to make and operate automobiles.

There is a limit on how low these interest rates can go, however, especially if inflation is a problem. Current interest rates seem to be down near where they were during the Great Depression of the 1930s. This suggests that the economy is truly doing very poorly.

Today, Brent oil prices are about $69 per barrel. This price is not high enough for producers to want to prepare more fields for drilling. As far as I can see, the price needs to be up in the range of $120 per barrel, and stay there for many years, for oil producers to consider putting major effort into developing more fields. Natural gas and coal have similar low-price problems.

While governments cannot seem to be able to fix the low-price problem for fossil fuels, they can find ways to pay their citizens money for doing nothing, or next to nothing. These payments will add to a government’s debt, but they don’t really produce more goods and services. What these payments tend to produce is inflation in the prices of goods and services that are available.

Over time, we can expect the lack of growth in energy supply to lead to an increasing number of broken supply lines. Without long-term high-price guarantees, producers will not be willing to increase production. Without adequate fuel supply, an increasing number of products will disappear from the shelves of stores. A smaller number of people will have jobs, especially jobs that pay well. The economy can be expected to head in the direction of collapse.

We can think of debt as a promise of future goods and services, made with future energy production. If energy supplies are rising rapidly and can be expected to continue to rise rapidly in the future, this promise can be expected to hold. Of course, if energy supplies start falling, all bets are off. Supply lines are likely to break. We consider money and other securities issued by governments to be a “store of value,” but, if there is little to buy (for example, all international flights are cancelled and automobiles of the desired type are permanently out of stock), its ability to act as a store of value will start to disappear. If the economy collapses completely, neither stocks nor bonds will have value.

[6] Nothing happens for a single reason in a self-organizing economy. Lack of energy affects every part of the economy, from jobs to finished output, almost simultaneously.

In a self-organizing economy, everything is interconnected. Inadequate energy per capita leads to low selling prices for commodities of all kinds. Inadequate energy per capita also leads to low wages for workers, low benefits provided by governments, and uprisings to protest these low wages and benefits. These uprisings began in 2019 or even earlier.

The unhappiness of workers leads to the election of increasingly radical politicians, in the hope that something can be done to fix the problems. There are basically not enough goods and services to go around, but no one wants to admit that this could be a problem.

[7] Citizens cannot imagine a declining and eventually collapsing economy. Businesses, governments and individual citizens all demand “happily ever after futures.”

Figure 8. Chart by Gail Tverberg. Amounts through 2020 based on an analysis of historical energy consumption using the same sources as those used in Figure 3.

If there is a history of growth, nearly everyone is happier if forecasts pretend that economic growth can continue forever. Newspapers want such stories, because this is what their advertisers, such as automakers, want. Automobiles need to be usable for a long period in the future. Universities want favorable forecasts because they want their students to believe that their degrees will have great future value. Politicians want a story of growth forever, because this is what voters want and expect. They have come to believe that governments can save them from all problems; there is no longer any need for religion.

As energy supplies get scarce, the rich tend to become richer and the poor tend to become poorer. François Roddier explains that this is because of the physics of the situation. Wealthy individuals and corporations discover that they have a rapidly growing ability to influence the narrative provided by Mainstream Media. If influential citizens and groups want citizens to hear a “happily ever after ending” to our current problems, they can make certain that this is the predominant narrative of Mainstream Media. It is only people who are willing to hear sources outside of the mainstream who can learn what is really happening.

The fact that the world economy would run into energy limits about now has been known for a very long time. For example, US Navy Rear Admiral Hyman Rickover talks about the close connection between energy and the economy in this 1957 speech. He points out that the world is likely to run short of fossil fuel by 2050. Later modeling documented in the 1972 book The Limits to Growth indicated that the world economy was likely to collapse in a similar timeframe. The modeling done in that analysis considered rising population relative to total resources, without looking at energy resources separately.

[8] It is easy to create models that predict growth will continue forever, even if the physics of the situation says this is not possible.

Economists provide their work to politicians. They certainly cannot provide forecasts of a coming calamity such as economic collapse. They also are unaware of the physics of the situation, even though many researchers have been writing about the issue from a physics point of view since at least the mid-1980s.

Economists have chosen instead to make models that assume no limits are ahead. They seem to assume that all problems will be fixed by innovation, substitution and the pricing mechanism. They produce forecasts suggesting that the economy can grow endlessly in the future. Based on these forecasts, they provide input to models that reach the conclusion that amazingly large amounts of fossil fuels will be extracted in the future. Based on these nonsensical models, our problem is not the near-term limits that we are reaching; instead, our chief problem is climate change. Its impacts occur mostly in the future.

A corollary to this belief system is that it is we humans who are in charge and not the laws of physics. We can expect governments to protect us. We don’t need any outside help from a literal Higher Power who created the laws of physics. We need to listen to what the authorities on earth tell us. In fact, in troubled times, governments need more authority over their citizens. The many concerns regarding COVID-19 make it easy for governments to increase their control over citizens. We are told that it is only by following the mandates of governments that we will get through this strange time.

With nearly everyone on board with the idea that somehow the story of near-term collapse must be avoided at all costs, every part of the economy bases its actions on the narrative that the world economy is voluntarily moving away from fossil fuels. In this narrative, renewables will save us; electric vehicles are the way of the future; the world economy can continue to grow, but in a new way.

In fact, we are colliding with resource limits, right now. This seems to be what produced the bizarre situation experienced in 2020.

[9] As 2020 began, many sectors of the world economy were squeezed simultaneously. With limited energy resources, large parts of the economy needed to be cut back. The self-organizing economy acted in a very strange way. Shutdowns supposedly aimed at stopping COVID-19 from spreading acted very much like energy rationing, without mentioning the world’s energy problem.

Figure 9. World per capita energy supply by type of fuel, based on BP 2021 Statistical Review of World Energy data.

Several years before 2020, it should have been clear that the world economy was doing very poorly based on the continued need for very low interest rates (Figure 7) and Quantitative Easing. China, in particular, was doing poorly, as indicated by its low sales of automobiles (Figure 5). Of course, China doesn’t broadcast its problems to the rest of the world, so few people were aware of this issue.

China had been able to boost the world’s per capita supply of inexpensive-to-produce energy by ramping up its coal production after it joined the World Trade Organization in 2001. (Note the world ramp-up in coal, starting after 2001, on Figure 9.) Unfortunately, because of depletion, China’s coal production since 2013 has been close to flat. Furthermore, China had had a big recycling business, but discontinued it effective January 1, 2018. Discontinuation of this program was necessary because oil prices had fallen in 2014 and had never recovered to their former level. With low oil prices, most recycling in China made no sense economically. The loss of jobs from recycling and cutbacks in coal operations no doubt contributed to the declining sale of vehicles in China.

In the years before 2020, another big issue was that the wages of many workers were not keeping up with the rising cost of living. Figure 4 illustrates this issue for the US. The problem was especially acute for lower wage workers. During this period, the prices of many commodities were too low for producers. This led to layoffs and low wages for workers.

In early 2020, the world became aware of a new coronavirus that had been identified in China. The response to this new illness was very strange, compared to how previous pandemics had been handled. The response looked a great deal like intentionally scaring people (especially older people) into staying at home. If this were done, much less oil could be used. Natural gas and coal consumption could be reduced, as well.

This story is perhaps not so strange if we look at it in context. On January 8, 2020, I wrote that we should be expecting recession and low oil prices in 2020. I included this oil price chart.

Figure 10. Inflation adjusted weekly average Brent oil price, based on EIA oil spot prices and US CPI-urban inflation.

On January 29, I wrote, It is easy to overreact to a coronavirus. In this article, I pointed out that the economy already seemed to be headed in the direction of recession. Shutdowns would only make the problem worse.

Politicians choosing to shut down their economies in early 2020 were likely not aware that the real underlying problem within their economy was inadequate availability of inexpensive-to-produce energy. They were aware that China had decided to shut down part of its economy, so perhaps there might be some usefulness to such an action. Local leaders outside of China knew that their own factories were underutilized. If their own factories could be shut down temporarily, perhaps they could operate at closer to capacity, once they reopened.

Furthermore, a shutdown would give an excuse to keep workers protesting low wages inside. After the shutdown, there would be an excuse to raise the debt level, perhaps keeping the financial part of the economy going for a while longer. So, a shutdown would have many benefits, apart from any potential benefit from (sort of) containing the virus.

It became apparent as time went on that the vaccine story for COVID-19 was playing multiple roles, as well. The healthcare industry was becoming very large in the US. In fact, the size of the healthcare industry was beginning to interfere with the economy as a whole (Figure 4). Furthermore, manufacturers of medicines and vaccines were having problems with diminishing returns because the big, important drug finds had been discovered years ago. It was becoming difficult to profitably fund all of the research needed for new drugs.

Behind the scenes, the vaccine industry had been working for years on creating new viruses and preparing vaccines for these same viruses. The theory was that the same approaches that delivered vaccines might be helpful in treating diseases of various kinds. Vaccines might also be helpful in responding to bioweapon attacks. If drug manufacturers could market a blockbuster vaccine, the manufacturers, as well as the individuals holding the vaccine patents, could become rich.

The US was not alone in the research with respect to viruses and vaccines for these viruses. Many major countries, including Canada, France, Italy, Australia and China had funded this research, partly through their budgets for health research and partly through military budgets. There was virtually no chance that anyone would figure out the source of any problematic virus because so many major countries had had a part in funding this research. If citizens could be convinced that the virus was extremely dangerous and mandate the use of vaccines, the vaccine industry could greatly profit from vaccine sales. The vaccine could be created and marketed quickly because all of the research (but not enough testing) had been performed earlier.

A great deal of planning had been done before the pandemic appeared, based to a significant extent upon what outcome vaccine makers would prefer. Johns Hopkins University completed a SPARS Pandemic Scenario in October 2017, rehearsing responses to a pandemic. A training exercise called Event 201 was held on October 18, 2019, for the purpose of training high level government officials and news writers what their responses should be.

The sponsors of Event 201 were “The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.” The latter two organizations are representatives of the very wealthy individuals and very large corporations. The primary interest of these organizations is enriching those who are already wealthy. The World Economic Forum is known for proclaiming, “You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy.”

As time went on, it became very clear that the true nature of the COVID-19 epidemic was being hidden from citizens. It was, and is, not a terribly dangerous illness if it is treated properly with any number of inexpensive medications including aspirin, ivermectin, antihistamine and steroids. In fact, the severity of the disease could also be lessened by taking vitamin D in advance. There really was not a great deal of point to the vaccines, except to enrich the vaccine manufacturers and those who would benefit from the sale of the vaccines, including Anthony Fauci and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

It also became clear that the vaccines don’t really do what a person might expect a vaccine to do. They do tend to stop severe illness, but taking vitamin D in advance would provide pretty much the same benefit. They don’t stop COVID-19 from circulating because vaccinated people can still catch COVID-19. The vaccines seem to have any number of side effects, including raising the risk of heart attacks.

The historical period most similar to the current period, in terms of shortage of energy supply, is that between World War I and World War II. At that time, the Jews were persecuted. Now, there is an attempt to divide the world into Vaccinated and Unvaccinated, with the Unvaccinated persecuted. When the economy cannot produce enough goods and services for all members of the economy, the economy seems to divide into almost warring parts.

We are basically trying to deal with an energy scenario that looks a lot like Figure 8, and the self-organizing economy comes up with very strange solutions. If people can convince themselves that it is OK to ostracize the unvaccinated, then maybe the move down the collapse will go more smoothly. For example, the military can be cut back in size by dismissing the unvaccinated, without admitting that with current resources, there is a need to reduce the size of the military.

Europe is the part of the world where the push for vaccinations is now highest. It is also in terrible shape with respect to energy supply. By ostracizing the unvaccinated, European countries can attempt to cut back their economies to the size that their energy supply will support, without admitting the real problem.

[10] The world economy is increasingly acting like economies that have collapsed in the past. In fact, there seems to be a connection with some of the strange statements from the book of Revelation.

We are living in a world now in which even if there are temporary price spikes, there is little chance that fossil fuel providers will ramp up their production. In order to ramp up supplies, they would need to start several years in advance, preparing new fields. Oil, coal and gas prices have stayed so low, for so long, that there is no belief that prices can rise to a high enough level and stay there, as the fuels are extracted. Thus, the fossil fuel will stay in the ground.

At the same time, it is becoming increasingly clear that renewables cannot be depended upon. In fact, low generation of electricity by wind turbines is part of the reason Europe is having to import the large quantity of natural gas and coal supplies it now requires. There is concern that rolling blackouts may be necessary during the winter in Europe, if not this year, sometime in the next few years.

It is becoming increasingly clear that the future energy scenario will look something like Figure 8, causing world population to fall dramatically within the next thirty years. This is the kind of situation most of us would associate with collapse. I think of it as being equivalent to end times, since our modern civilization will be disappearing. It is possible that there will be a remnant of people left, but they will be living a much simpler life, without fossil fuels or modern renewables.

There are several parts to what is happening that remind me of Old Testament writings in general, and of the book of Revelation (from the New Testament), in particular.

First, the willingness of the ultra-rich to look out for themselves and keep what look like perfectly good, cheap cures for COVID-19 from the world population seems to be precisely the kind of despicable behavior that Old Testament prophets despised. For example, in Amos 5:21-24, Amos tells the Jews that God despises their prior behavior. In verse 24 (NIV), he says, “But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream!”

As I noted in the introduction, Revelation 18 talks about lack of demand being an issue in the collapse of Babylon, and presumably in any future collapse that occurs. Revelation 18:11-13 reads:

11 The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble;13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves.

The need for vaccine passports in some countries reminds a person of Revelation 13:17, “they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.” In fact, people in Sweden are getting microchip implants after its latest COVID passport mandate.

Some people believe that Revelation 12 describes the Antichrist; that is, the polar opposite of Christ. Before the world comes to an end, Revelation 12 seems to predict a great fight against this Antichrist, which Christ wins. I could imagine Anthony Fauci being the Antichrist.

We are not used to living in a world where very little that is published by the Mainstream Media makes sense. But when we live in a time where no one wants to hear what is true, the system changes in a bizarre way, so that a great deal that is published is false.

It is disturbing to think that we may be living near the end of the world economy, but there is an upside to this situation. We have had the opportunity to live at a time with more conveniences than any other civilization. We can appreciate the many conveniences we have.

We also have the opportunity to decide how we want to live the rest of our lives. We have been led for many years down the path of believing that economic growth will last forever; all we need to do is have faith in the government and our educational institutions. If we figure out that this really isn’t the path to follow, we can change course now. If we want to choose a more spiritual approach, this is a choice we can still make.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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6,123 Responses to Is it possible that the world is approaching end times?

  1. Sergey says:

    Speaking of covid. My best friend and I was against vaccines. Two weeks ago my friend died of covid. He was 40, lived a healthy life (sports, no alcohol, no smoking, no drugs). He didn’t believe he will die until the last moment. When he was admitted to the hospital, he had only 15% lung damage. After 3 days, he was already on oxygen, and a week later he was transferred to intensive care. Further goes mechanical ventilation and he died 3 days later. Such a rapid course of the disease. The chances of dying because of covid at age 40 with no underlying medical conditions are less than 1%. So I thought. But in a specific personal case, you can get 100%.

    • CTG says:

      Can I know which country your friend is staying? If he is in USA or other developed countries, then perhaps it is the healthcare system that kills him. In other countries like mine, the death rate is very low and it is from comorbidity.

      Note that there will always be people exceptions where a few very healthy people die. Perhaps from some other disease that even he does not know.

      • Sergey says:

        Russia. I guess healthcare system killed him. I began to study this topic and found out that the mortality rate from covid if a person is admitted to intensive care is more than 50% (in Russia).
        Another friend of mine is now ill with covid, he is at home, 10 days in a row with high fever, but I recommended him not to go to the hospital. He lives in Boston, USA. Don’t know the mortality rate in intensive care there, put I think it’s pretty high as well.

        • CTG says:

          Hospital is never “a friend”

          • Kowalainen says:

            They’re really good if your humanoid escapades causes bone fractures and other trauma. Pharma grade dope, titanium screws, bits and pieces gets you back to full tilt, loose cannon, in no time flat.

            Which means that somebody else gotta haul your injured rear end into the asylum.

            I’ve been hauled and hauling. In pain, jacked on dope. Pissing in (empty) pet bottles while recovering from dumb decisions.

            🤣👍👍

        • Tim Groves says:

          It was rotten luck for your friend in Russia.

          In Russia it is almost impossible to obtain sufficient vitamin D from sunlight, as is the case anywhere more than 40º north or south of the equator, and so I would expect that most people are deficient in this vitamin.

          Vitamin D deficiency is correlated with a long list of diseases including colds and flu, cancer, and auto-immune diseases. Some doctors recommend that everybody consider supplementing with vitamin D as a first step to safeguarding their health. As a prophylactic, it is very cheap, painless and extremely cost-effective.

          Once you are sick with Covid-19, vitamins alone will not stop it. For your friend in Boston, he should seek medical help, although hospital may not provide that. If he doesn’t want to risk the medical care that is available in Boston, there are protocols available that may help to make him better. Some are accessible here:

          https://faculty.utrgv.edu/eleftherios.gkioulekas/zelenko/index.html

          The problem is, he is sick now, and assembling the medicines he needs may take time or be too difficult for him to do while he is sick. This is why we should all prepare medicines in advance as much as we can before we are sick.

          • Sergey says:

            Thank you for link, I send it to him.

          • Tim, yes, that seems to be the key here.

            Once your cross specific threshold* the treatment must immediately switch from Vit to hydrox.., isop.. , iverm.. or the chances are not very good..

            __
            * first fevers, perhaps waiting even for first onset signs of breathing deficiency is too late already, and even with the best care you are destined to xy% irreversible lung / ..organs damage..

            this bug has been evidently trialed out on many species in unspoken mega cycles of mutations via gfc

            • Tim Groves says:

              One afternoon last summer, I experienced the onset of breathing difficulties. It was as if my lungs were no longer “elastic”. I would breathe in, but not much air would enter. Since I had some ivermectin in stock, I immediately took what I’d learned was a therapeutic dose. By the time I woke up the next morning, the trouble was gone, but I repeated the dose the second day to be on the safe side.

              Without visiting a doctor, I had no easy way to test what the problem was. The symptom matched Covid-19 but also Legionnaires’ disease, which I could have contracted by inhaling bacteria from a dirty air conditioner.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I have the horse version but have to work out the right dose… have ordered tablets from India … let’s see if they arrive…

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Devil Covid is coming … thanks for the Double Jabbers … thank you double jabbers for killing the MOREONS… in advance

              Triple Jabbers like norm should get medals… it must be very exciting living the life of a Vaxxine Rouletter… apparently flirting with death is an adrenaline rush…. kinda like being a war correspondent right norm?

            • Fast Eddy says:

              If Devil Covid cannot be cured.. before you are too sick… take action … remember… pretty much every person in your line of site … is a CovIDIOT

            • Kowalainen says:

              Tim, same for me Q4 ‘19 after a business trip to China. I had breathing difficulty and dry coughs. It was a rough ride for about a week. Another week to resemble normality. If I didn’t go full tilt on my bicycle after catching it, I’m sure I’d just written it off as another generic cold.

              Don’t get Covid. Do whatever you can to reduce the viral load by all means possible if you haven’t already been exposed/Ill from it. If that means slapping on a FFP3/N99 “diaper”. So be it. And whatever you do; don’t exercise.

              I think this sucker is coded for particular DNA sequences and if you’re on the receiving end. Well; good luck being obese and diabetic while receiving a large initial viral dose. You ain’t gonna make it.

          • You might also want to look at the prophylactic & early treatment protocols at FLCCC – Doctor consultations available by telemedicine

            https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/

            Constantly updating..They now list a prophylactic alternative to Ivermectin (dont know if it is more accessible in Boston) and also add mouthwash (non-alcoholic) to their protocols.

            If he has been infected for 10 days he probably/may have progressed to lung involvement – I have seen some suggestions of other important therapies at that stage – he should look on the web or consult a physician will to treat/prescribe based on his symptoms & progression prior to hospitalization being required

            For General Interest: Here is mouthwash potion protocol for very early infection

            Antiviral mouthwash:
            Gargle 3 x daily (do NOT swallow; must contain chlorhexidine, povidone-iodine,or cetylpyridinium chloride).
            Iodine nasal spray/drops: Use 1% povidone-iodine commercial product as per instructions 2–3 x daily. If 1%-product not available, must first dilute the more widely available 10%-solution and apply 4–5 drops to each nostril every 4 hours. (No more than 5 days in pregnancy.)

            I have also seen a number of people recommending saline nasal rinsing/nedi pot or other traditional (humidification/vapor rubs/nebulized inhalants) approaches focused on nasal “treatment”/”sanitation”

            Reduction/deactivation of viral load in nasal/pharangeal spaces by gargling may also reducing transmission to others or for self-protection after being in a high occupancy indoor space or proximity to infected person/relative and is good practice in addition to hand-washing.

            • Yes, great stuff, even if you reach for the easiest option hot water gargling regularly..

              Now imagine the most common high density urban scenario daily routine ala China, or in fact any great IC realm city:

              – waking up (not clearing nasal/throat)
              – not ventilating the space properly
              – quick breakfast and close contact with other people from the family
              – 20-30x level ride in elevator (no mask and touching the filthy buttons)
              – waiting for the bus / subway (several days old mask and touching the filthy hand rails)
              – arriving in the factor / big space office (still not cleared nostrils..)
              – quick meal brake
              – working till afternoon
              – quick shopping (still not cleared nostrils..)
              – return home (dropping mask for the ride up in the lift..)
              ..
              .
              Rinse repeat daily plus deep breathing weekend nightly party on the “disco parlor” hah

              And you are done in short order.

              This is the great human petri dish in action..
              (game played and gained up..)

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Some years ago I had a cold and sinuses were blocked… I have very little space in my head due to the massive size of my brain … so the slightest pressure can cause problems…

              I was advised to drip a warm water infused with a bit of table salt into each nostril… this immediately broke up the blockage and I was feeling better.

              You can buy a mini-turkey baster like apparatus at the chemist that can be filled with the saline solution and easily blasted up each nostril.

              Be prepared for Devil Covid.

              I am waiting to see if the good doc is going to make good on my anti-malarial prescription….cross walks can be problematic when high speed vehicles with unhinged persons are circulating

            • Kowalainen says:

              Yup, pretty much you’ll gonna need:

              1. A good air purifier (HEPA)
              2. A good air humidifier. Slap a tablespoon of PVP-I in the tank as you refill it
              3. PVP-I mouth rinse
              4. FFP3 respirator for crowd ‘situations’
              5. PVP-I solution that you stuff up your nostrils and rub your hands in for crowd ‘situations’

              Apply these five commandments and forget about Covid, and any other bullshit viruses for that matter.

              I’ve had a runny nose once (from my cousin kiddos) since the Covid crap cleared from my system. I really don’t want to go back to the era of pre Covid flus and colds. Dirty people, their ‘offices’ and kindergartens are breeding grounds for viruses and bacteria.

            • What is PVP?

            • I think Kow is using PVP-I as an abbreviation for Providine Iodine solution

              Sold as a 10% solution for external/topical disinfection (goldish soln they wipe you down with before surgery)

              Dilute to 0.5% or 1% for nasal drops or gargle solution.

              Also supposed to be good for gum disease remediation

            • Lidia17 says:

              polyvinylpyrrolidone-iodine (PVP-Iodine)

    • Fast Eddy says:

      A healthy 17 year-old died in Minnesota just this week. Flu is not just your “common cold,” it can be far worse. Eighteen children have already died this season. As of November, we didn’t even have 1/2 of our population with a flu shot. The goal to protect us all is 90%.

      https://seattlemamadoc.seattlechildrens.org/people-are-dying-from-the-flu/

      That said – covid is mutating and the hospitalizations in SA are seriously spiking … and the spread is must more rapid…

      But that said – the vaccines are useless..

      One can take treat early with Ivermectin etc… but maybe those wont work either against this – and what is the point – if all the chickens are dead ….

    • Wasn’t he on some precautionary med / supplement protocol as Tim mentions further inside this thread? If not (/you don’t know) sorry but your message has not been filled appropriately (fully) here. A blank shot into the night essentially..

      • Sergey says:

        He was using these at home from the start:
        1) anti-viral Arbidol (Umifenovir) – effectiveness unproven
        2) antibiotic Levofloxacin
        3) vitamic C + D + Zinc
        4) Ibuprofen

        He fought fever for a week and agreed to hospitalization. The next day he was at hospital, called me and he was very cheerful, was feeling himself much better. Three days later he only send sms as he was on oxygen already.

        • Tim Groves says:

          The C+A+Zinc combination is good. There is a cheap and easily available supplement called Quercetin that can be taken with the Zinc to help it get into the cells where it is needed to produce immune cells.

          If the disease has reached the lungs and causing inflammation or pneumonia, many doctors/hospitals will prescribe a course of steroid drugs to dampen down the patients’ immune response as this is a major reason why Covid-19 can be deadly.

          He or his advocate should also ask for ivermectin if they will allow it. It is on The WHO list of essential medicines and it can be a life saver, even in advanced cases.

          Everyone needs to see the following story, which seems legitimate.

          https://www.fox6now.com/news/illinois-family-credits-ivermectin-with-saving-life-of-father-hospitalized-with-covid-19

        • Meant as from the start of getting noticeably sick?
          Or taking it precautionary for months / yrs regularly beforehand?
          These Vit as single combo pill or individually.. ?

          Also some time ago there was talk about genetics (not merely dietary) predisposition trait among large part of .ru pop for this kind of disease, have not explore it.. should be searchable though..

        • Seem to recall mention of avoiding Ibuprofen (Motrin) and acetominophen (Tylenol) as (one or other both?) may deplete key immune system amino-acid.

          Aspirin for pain/discomfort (if tolerated) potentially more effective with advantage of anti-coagulative properties and addressing cardio-vascular inflammation complications

        • Kowalainen says:

          Those “remedies” won’t matter if the initial viral load is large. I.e. getting sneezed/coughed in the face by someone with Covid. RIP basically. RIPx2 if you’re overall in a bad shape.

          Bad analogy time: You won’t notice one picogram of cyanide. Ingest a milligram and you’ll surely ‘feel’ it. Give it 10 milligrams and things start to get rough. 100 milligrams and… RIP.

          Same thing with viruses. Exponential growth plus the reaction time of the immune defense.

          • Excellent points.
            Yesterday, I was about to write the same (+ as per your PVP-I post above) BECAUSE the authorities/msm obfuscated sane reaction to the bug on many fronts – it seems to be constructed intentionally as a puzzling labyrinth with many fake escape doors and gates of various sizes.. often leading to an abyss..

            And in fact the best approach as of now seems to be following a combo of practical methods incl: masking up with (quality gear) in crowds or small volume places with no air movement (rather not going there at all option #1), freq. clearing nostrils/../hands, and at the minimum also surfing on that basic Vit protocol and maintaining overall healthy lifestyle..

            • Kowalainen says:

              Yes, common sense is uncommon when people assume their lifestyle and act is godsend and “perfect”. Then the only possible “remedy” is inside the jab or a pill.

              The best cure for any disease is to assume you’ll be alone and helpless when it hits you. Then you’ll make sure to abandon hope for silver bullets hitting their mark.

              Btw; slap an air purifier on that list for reducing the viral transmission vectors on dust and aerosols. It also fixes allergies and the air in-house feels much “fresher”.

              $200USD for a decent capacity one. Honeywell, Coway and IKEA got good stuff on the cheap.

              If you’re lazy like me, get a robot vacuum cleaner to remove the dust that accumulates on the floor. I don’t understand how I could be without one for that long.

              👍

            • It takes energy to build and operate a robot vacuum cleaner and an air purifier. Not everyone can afford these either. In some parts of the world, home floors are made out of dirt. These don’t work as well there. The air purifier doesn’t work in rolling blackouts, either.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Much, much less than living in an albatross sized house and commuting/owning a car. Let’s not even consider the impact of children.

              So basically I’m at 1/100 ~1% of the average Brandon and Jill schmuck going about their menIl lives and being close to zero productive.

              I’m sure the usual low energy gizmos will be around for quite some time after the NPC’s have been properly CEP’d and or relegated back to the subsistence farms.

            • Not if electricity is not available. You think in the standard way. Low-energy gizmos are not any more likely to be available than high-energy gizmos. We need to learn to get along without gizmos. If we do make devices of any kind, we need a full local supply chain for them.

            • Kowalainen says:

              First the energy hogs will go the way of the dodo. That means large cars, trucks, houses, commuting to “work” including the “bubbles” of IC with the NPC’s and their consumerism and absurd ‘meanings’ in “life”.

              Let’s be realistic; the easiest fruits are picked first. That applies both in growth and decline.

              Consumer grade stuff (frivolous jank) isn’t part of the “machine”. It is merely the exhaust port of IC. Now ask yourself; what consumes more resources; a car or a smartphone? Or say, a car, an albatross sized house or a bicycle and a condo?

              As long as the means of production is purposed to maintain itself I don’t see it going anywhere for quite some time. However, other things will.

    • fonjl says:

      It seems like a lottery. I’m 40+, relatively healthy. I had it, fever for 9 days, ended up on supplemental oxygen for 5 days (not a mask) and given Dexamethasone to treat the pneumonia I had developed. Discharged after 5 days, no lasting damage. I’d now consider taking the non-mRNA vaccines. I still wouldn’t take the mRNA ones.

      • 1/ non-mRNA banned or ever delayed approval even for (W/EU) made

        2/ seems like a lottery: very likely mix of several factors:

        – you have to be (pre)soaked for months / yrs into the good stuff that’s why Korea/Japan in terms of their veggie diet and few others perform better even w./out “horse paste”..

        – comorbities and other (daily / frq) stressors

        – health and age and no disco parlors!

        ..
        .

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I am sceptical of claims that someone knows someone who was healthy and died from covid… the odds of that happening are far less than knowing someone who has died from the vaccine…

          In a country the size of the US we are literally talking about hundreds of people under the age of 50 who fit that bill….

          And what qualifies as healthy — not being obese and diabetes ridden? Most ‘healthy’ people are on multiple medications.

          I know of two people with high BP that is treated with pills. They both insist they no longer have high BP – therefore they are healthy…

          How many people do you know who do not eat fast food – seldom touch any form of junk food – never drink soda – do not smoke – drink minimally and exercise multiple times per week… and I am not talking about taking a stroll around the block.

          We are talking about less than 1% of the population … such people are not dying from covid – or the flu…

      • Jarle says:

        “I had it”

        How do you know?

    • I know that one doctor from South Africa says that antihistamine is what people need, if they have lung problems starting about the eighth day. (The lung problem is really an inflammation issue that antihistamine can help with.) Antihistamine is a cheap drug that is available in the US without a prescription. But hospitals don’t offer it to COVID patients.

      The South African physician claimed to be have cured many patients without the use of ivermectin, by using antihistamine and a few other cheap drugs.

      • postkey says:

        “58:35 it’s not just source cov2 the problem is
        58:38 is that
        58:38 every one of these viruses can be
        58:40 treated but you have to treat
        58:42 the site of infection you have to treat
        58:45 the issue of replication
        58:47 and you have to treat the inflammatory
        58:49 body response
        58:50 so not only have the treatments not
        58:53 focused
        58:53 on treating the inflammatory thrombotic
        58:55 response . . . “

    • Jarle says:

      “Two weeks ago my friend died of covid.”

      How do you know?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Who is Sergey?

        Does anyone here know of a single healthy person who has died from Covid? I know close to 20 who have had Covid and none of that got very sick.

        I know 5 people who have Myocarditis after Pfizer. I know one person who had blood clots all through her lungs after Pfizer. I spoke to the head of a group of clinics the other day – he told me his brother died of a heart attack 3 days after Pfizer.

        Of course Fast Eddy could be inventing this… but trust me – HE isn’t.

        Who is Sergey?

        And does anyone else know anyone other than a half dead person – who has died from covid?

        The odds are very slim given the average age of covid death is 82 and involves multiple comorbidities…

        The odds of knowing some who was under 70 and without any serious health issues who died from covid …. is minute… we are talking thousands max — out of billions.

  2. hillcountry says:

    Posted this on another blog where folks are hip to the Vitamin A – Retinoic Acid problems.

    Ran across a couple of papers about Ivermectin strongly binding the Farnesoid X receptor to beneficial effect on NAFLD and restoration of function. They’re a pair, one from 2013 and the follow-up was 2015. The latter is more comprehensive and I think the intro points to the team’s first paper if anyone’s interested in both.

    The thing that struck me was that the subject is relatively obscure/unknown/undiscussed but it could be one key to accelerating VA-detox for those who need it. It also intersects the work of Anthony Mawson re: vaccine-induced liver-damage and subsequent retinoid-spillage. There was also that paper in 2018 I think from Frontiers in Endocrinology that discovered retinoid-spillage at 10x to 20x normal serum-levels due to high-impact stress events; emotional and physical.

    TITLE: Selective targeting of nuclear receptor FXR by avermectin analogues with therapeutic effects on nonalcoholic fatty liver disease

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4664883/

    That paper rang a bell and got me looking at FXR – Autoimmune relationships. Still early in those combo-search probes at PubMed, but it looks like a thing. Thanks to the poster here who pointed out the Oncomir anagram. Found quite a few relevant papers on miR-21 with titles like this one.

    “Induction of miR-21 by retinoic acid in estrogen receptor-positive breast carcinoma cells: biological correlates and molecular targets.”

    ADD for this post: the Farnesoid-X Receptor being activated when an Agonist like Ivermectin docks in the pocket is really big news. Reversing NAFLD, which is near the center of many serious disease processes, is huge. This adds considerable weight to the advantages of Ivermectin. There are other Agonists for the FXR though as I’m just learning. Saffron as an FXR-agonist will reverse liver damage due to Acetaminophen for instance. Presumably, Ivermectin would likely do the same, it just hasn’t been studied that way.

    TITLE: Saffron offers hepatoprotection via up-regulation of hepatic farnesoid-X-activated receptors in a rat model of acetaminophen-induced hepatotoxicity (nih.gov)

    Milk Thistle and Chicory are also FXR-agonists

    TITLE: New mechanistic insights into hepatoprotective activity of milk thistle and chicory quantified extract: The role of hepatic Farnesoid-X activated receptors (nih.gov)

    I’m not sure yet, but it appears that research isn’t as cross-disciplinary as one might hope; such that most or maybe all of the popular Ivermectin proponents are presently unaware of this FXR-connection; since it has only been described in two papers by the same team of researchers as far as I can tell; and that was quite a while ago. You actually have to be looking for those papers with specific search terms. I just got lucky and stumbled across it looking for something else. I’m sending versions of the above out to a number of folks who should be very interested to know about this; just to test that out the hypothesis that it is not known. If so, the sooner the better it is.

    • All is Dust says:

      Hi HC,

      This is all fascinating stuff (and well above my pay-grade).

      Is your hypothesis that Ivermectin (and products with a similar action) help alleviate symptoms of autoimmune diseases?

      I’m interested in learning about how autoimmune diseases can be treated (along with others).

      Listening to the vax damaged speak, their ailments fall into roughly 3 categories:
      1) autoimmune
      2) neurological
      3) cardiac

      No doubt big pharma are ready to plug the gap with expensive therapeutics…

      • hillcountry says:

        Hey there All is Dust – thanks for asking.

        Yes, on the hypothesis. Since reading a few other studies linking the FXR to Autoimmune; I’m thinking the reason Ivermectin could rescue Autoimmune is by repairing the liver via this FXR-activation. I haven’t found studies that have clearly made the connection to Vitamin A, but they’re out there – it just takes time and the right search-criteria. Research is somewhat “silo-ed” so a generalist approach can look over their shoulders and make connections they miss due to narrowed focus.

        Note: Vitamin A is a family of molecules, including synthetics – aka Retinoids.

        After a couple of years of rooting-out connections between Autoimmune and Vitamin A toxicity I could go on for days about the chronic, sub-chronic and acute-toxicity of excess VA-retinoids in the human body and the beleaguered state of the average liver as well as other cell-types and organs that are trying to deal with overload. The first thing I’d suggest for anyone suffering autoimmune is to try a zero-A diet for a few months. There’s plenty of stored-VA to maintain adequate serum-levels as detox occurs. Some of our best mine-canaries out there are people who made the mistake of using Accutane. There were thousands of lawsuits against the pharmaceutical company making that drug. It’s an isomer of Retinoic Acid (RA) which itself is a derivative of Retinol. I’ll post part of a recent exchange of an Accutane survivor below.

        I was studying Macular Degeneration a few years ago when I had the good fortune of running across Grant Genereux’s books. He’s an engineer in Alberta who has an obscure blog and solved his multiple health problems years ago. He penetrated the fog with pure logic. His blog and comment section is packed with information.

        ggenereux.blog

        These VA-molecules, particularly Retinoic Acid, can cause every symptom of every autoimmune disease named because they alter cell membranes, cell genetics, metabolic signaling, morphology, bloodstream pH and more. It’s all a problem of excess; the poison is in the dose.

        The United States has been supplementing its food supply with Retinyl Palmitate since the early 1970’s and recent changes in labeling-laws allow manufacturers to omit identification of the VA-content of the foods they sell. Between that food “fortification”, lousy “healthy” dietary-advice, the fish-oil craze and multi-vitamin supplements packed with VA; we see the results in Autoimmune and very likely a number of other chronic illnesses. There is no doubt that other factors are in-play like Glyphosate, which interrupts VA-metabolism on the catabolic side. Surely, other environmental toxins are involved as well; particularly any that impact the liver, which is probably all of them. That’s why this knowledge about activating the Farnesoid-X Receptor thing is such a big deal. It’s really easy these days to get oneself into a Hypervitaminosis-A situation per the NIH definition. It’ll creep-up, depending on food and supplement choices.

        There’s a huge connection between liver-health and cardiac-health. And although it is not proven, there is considerable circumstantial evidence that the same toxicity we’re certain causes Eczema is behind Alzheimer’s; since they express so often together. These VA-molecules are mostly fat-soluble and store in tissues outside the liver, so as we age the impacts grow with accumulation. The number of people with more than one Autoimmune Disease is probably quite large.

        My 96-year young mother-in-law has been taking Ivermectin weekly for six-months and has had substantial improvement of her mental and emotional state, ability to converse, her long-term memory, her logic-ability, her grasp and use of complex words that are appropriate to a discussion. She surprises me almost every day with something or other. That’s the kind of proof that was already staring me in the face. I read her comments from OFW and she has great responses.

        The world of peer-reviewed literature is as corrupted by incentives as any, and it’s difficult to find ‘smoking-gun’ papers but they’re out there. I’d say the ratio is 50-1 at least. That speaks to your sense that pharma is looking for therapeutics. Absolutely! Almost every paper I’ve ever read concludes with some version of we need more funding to identify therapeutics; as opposed to drilling-down to causation.

        Here’s a guy who survived Accutane: (responding to two posters)

        “You don’t know what you are talking about. I hope Josh does wipe out your crap talk. I’m an Accutane (Retinol creme) victim myself and I got a ten-year depression cycle, an eye disease (keratoconus), different allergies and mouth decay (even mouth rot) from this and it all vanished since my now ongoing 3 years low vit a diet. In addition, I’m a statistician myself and can confirm Dr. Smith’s findings through doing research myself by visiting many studies in recent years and almost everything he says is true (especially about liver cholestasis as a root cause of chronical disease).”

        “Hey Shell, thanks for your reply. Don’t worry about me. I feel great, have my own kid now and the torture I went through only made me stronger. It made me an awake person and therefore i can make it more easily through the rough times nowadays. It was all necessary in a way I believe. I also can tell you that the kitten sickness they call “cat aids” is simply chronic vit a poisoning. From my experiences cats can deal with huge amounts of Vit A a little better because of building more retinal from it, but that’s all (except for cooked liver which kills them fast, so they cannot deal with retinoic acid either). In addition, like you already mentioned, other factors will multiply the vit a poisoning scheme in our modern society. Most pharma products, including regular scheduled vaccinations, can cause liver injuries which will put toxic bile (with retinol esters) from your liver into your bloodstream. Only a sufficient liver protecting diet will help your body to reverse this kind of issue. Otherwise, cholesterol levels will rise to save you from the toxic bile and/or all kinds of autoimmune diseases will happen to you over time. I wish you and your family all the best.”

        Here’s one of the best summaries on the VA-problem. Grant Genereux’s second book – Poisoning for Profits.

        https://ggenereux.blog/wp content/uploads/2018/09/PoisoningForProfits.pdf

        • Very interesting, thanks.

          Do I understand it correctly that ?
          [ Hypervitaminosis-A situation ]

          = excess of natural fish oil (or only low cost dodgy pills from it)
          = excess or any semi regular consum of cooked liver (e.g.chicken)

          • hillcountry says:

            Grant has a map showing a 22x Alzheimer’s rate in Sweden compared to neighboring Russia. North Atlantic Cod is the cultural and environmental difference. Another confirmation epidemiologically is that for many years Western Canada had lower rates of Crohn’s, Alzheimer’s, and some other chronic illnesses including Autoimmune; until Eastern Canada banned Cod fishing; mid-90’s. North Atlantic Cod has a lot more Retinol in its fat due to ocean temps than its nearly identical Pacific cousin. Grant made a chart showing supplemental fish-oil consumption growth compared to a variety of autoimmune. It’s an eye-popper.

            Haven’t encountered many low-A diet practitioners who eat any liver, cooked or not. Maybe one or two do on an occasional basis. I’ve read a lot of blog comments over the years. There’s substantial variation in opinion and practice of “low-A”. Some make trade-offs like say the benefits of butyric acid in butter versus its high retinol content. Or eating low on the fish food-chain for the EPA and DHA. Some people have a lot more problem than others with Beta Carotene and the plant side of the equation. Grant’s been eating rice, beans, beef and buffalo almost exclusively for 7-years but most of us have our thing. It’s a process letting VA-foods go.

            Some people get stuck though; making good physical symptom progress and labs showing Retinol serum-level declining; then nada. Some have really dramatic changes, even in bone-structure, and others just creep along. There’s more than just the toxicity though; there’s the metabolic side of it. All of us would love to metabolize VA better and then be able to handle some of the VA foods we grew up with. Enzymes, binding proteins, and liver function are all involved. So we’re always on the hunt for what works to both ease the ride of detox, as well as accelerate it. All of us need to know a lot more more than we do presently about the ‘log-jams’. Taurine has helped some folks along.

            • This is huge (party pooper) thanks.
              Will study it more for sure.

              Baltic fish are not good, North Atlantic Cod not good, fish tank and pond not good, ..
              anymore..

              This planet is wrecked hah.

        • This link works better for me. It has a hyphen in it.
          https://ggenereux.blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/poisoningforprofits.pdf

          You talk about ivermectin as being a possible supplement to fix these issues. How does a person learn the right doses?

          • regulars discussed iver.. dosages not long ago under your previous blog post towards the end.. should be easy to find..

            or ask Edddy he had to study it up when supposedly ordering from Indian eshop? recently..

        • All is Dust says:

          HC,

          Thanks for your detailed response. I have copied it to another file to chew through later tonight.

          All the best

    • Thanks interesting.
      Do you think that alt to Ivermectin could pan out of it.. ?
      (With perhaps even more favorable properties)

      On that latter note, wasn’t chicory used as very cheap substitute to tobacco, coffeffee or something, lol?

      • hillcountry says:

        yes, that’s kind of what I’m hoping but the difficulty time-wise for anyone in trouble is getting the amount of whichever agonist correct in a therapeutic sense. Who knows. The mg-per-kg they use in these animal studies is often quite large, yet at the same time, they’ve learned that more is not only not better, but can aggravate the hepatic-dysfunction. But, as a longer-term practical thing, maybe adding a little chicory to coffee for instance is likely to be prophylactic. We drank a lot of Community Coffee years ago and grew to like the taste of the chicory in it. It was very popular in the southern states. I’m looking forward to the search of various studies that will contribute to the hypothesis connecting these elements of: FXR // Agonists // Vitamin A // Retinoic Acid to actual disease conditions being studied.

        It’s sort of like playing Jenga and Mahjong; a bit here, a pattern there. Like this one for instance.

        TITLE: Linking liver metabolic and vascular disease via bile acid signaling

        Or, more to the Autoimmune issue, this one:

        TITLE: The Pathophysiology of Farnesoid X Receptor (FXR) in the GI Tract: Inflammation, Barrier Function and Innate Immunity (nih.gov)

        “The Farnesoid-X Receptor, FXR, is a nuclear bile acid receptor. Its originally described function is in bile acid synthesis and regulation within the liver. More recently, however, FXR has been increasingly appreciated for its breadth of function and expression across multiple organ systems, including the intestine. While FXR’s role within the liver continues to be investigated, increasing literature indicates that FXR has important roles in responding to inflammation, maintaining intestinal epithelial barrier function, and regulating immunity within the gastrointestinal (GI) tract.”

  3. Sam says:

    Covid is over!! Because of omicron 😂 ..xxxzz but I put all my eggs in the Covid basket 😢……….so funny. Now what are you going to do????

  4. Michael Le Merchant says:

    The Hero in most movies never made much sense to me cause they’re the ones that want to keep The World like it is. The Villains are usually always “The Progressives” & have justifiable intentions. In the end, we’re gonna find out that Thanos was right all along.

    • nikoB says:

      Thanos was an idiot. He got rid of half the population. That means one doubling period later you are right back up sh*t creek. He needed to reduce the pop to at least a 10th to buy plenty of time. 😉

  5. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Canada should resist urge to drop the hammer on the unvaccinated – “at least for now”
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-should-resist-urge-to-drop-the-hammer-on-the-unvaccinated-at/

  6. CTG says:

    I have read many sources on Omicron. I cannot quote the sources as there are quite a few of them. Some of them are from Telegram groups which I joined. Again authenticity is not confirmed but to me, it is always “there is smoke, there is fire”.

    It is said that Omicron infects only the the vaccinated. I find it hard to believe but again, PCR is never accurate anyway. Assuming that it is true, then could it be ADE or “the virus” that is “immune escape”? This will be seriously bad news for those who are jabbed.

    Only a few people suffered “buyers remorse” or “vaccine remorse”. Those who are happy to take the jabs are also the same people who will be so scared of the virus, stayed at home, triple-masked and social-distanced. All of these actions will only make the immune system weak and susceptible to more infection. Personally, I believe in “What does not kill you will make you stronger”.

    We don’t forget that there is still the adverse affects of the vaccine.

    ** In Malaysia, there are adverse events but I don’t hear anything other than contacts in hospital. How prevalent, I am not sure but in Singapore, there are reported case of heart problems. However, interestingly, in my circle of friends and relatives together with students in schools (between 12-18 years old), there is ZERO cases of adverse effects. Could it be that they are all saline? I do know that those who die from COVID have comorbidity. I have yet to hear one who die without comorbidity.

    Lastly, Malaysia is a tropical country. Lots of sun and no winter. It is not a surprise that those who are suffered badly from COVID (but did not die) are those who are leading a sedentary lifestyle and working in an office. Less sunshine for them. Those who are working outside like construction workers, they are strong and rarely fall sick. In this part of the exercising in the gym is never healthy. No sun, air conditioned and enclosed area. Nothing is better than doing it under the sun, which many do not like because it is hot.

    p.s. to Mike Roberts – by explaining what is happening around you, the observations, conclusions, etc makes you only human.

  7. Fast Eddy says:

    The CEP is getting traction

    Igor’s Newsletter

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    Of course this all makes perfect sense if Fauci is helping deploy: The COMPASSIONATE EXTINCTION PLAN (CEP) 1. Every country on the planet is on board with the Injections. Even Sweden. When have all countries aligned on any issue? Never.

    • Michael Le Merchant says:

      Disease spreading death, entire population dies
      Dead before you’re born, massive suicide
      Vicious game of fear, it’s all extermination now
      Poison in your veins, global genocide
      Slaughter governs law, the apocalypse begins
      Pain becomes the norm, seeking homicide
      Beware the coming storm that starts illuminating fires
      God is laughing hard, man has gone insane

      World painted blood, no sanctuary
      World painted blood, no sanctuary

      Tip the human scale, follow revelations’ plan
      It must come to pass, secret shadows lie
      Blueprint haunting dreams, in which manipulation wins
      Speak no hidden fears, religion neutralized
      Emerged from the dark, sadist mercenary ride
      Realm not of this world, godless messengers
      Sickless, mindless hate becomes evolutions cure
      Planets usher in, alignment God has died

  8. Fast Eddy says:

    Just when you thought you’d hear it all… a friend has a child who is turning 12 … the school is trying to convince her to vax him… she says no he needs an exemption due to allergies… he carries an epi pen gizmo … so she is being told they will sedate the kid during the vax…

    She is rabidly anti vax and is beside herself over this.

    • Artleads says:

      Maybe it’s too late for her to rig up an immediate day care intervention for him so she can keep him out of school? And a 12 year-old can manage being home alone anyway?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        She is planning to withdraw him so they cannot force feed him this poison.

        Checking up on my mate – 32 yrs old — super fit — then jabbed Friday so he could continue working… the poison is very real for him … not so much for norm dunc mike (yet) …

        Ah I’m not too bad. Not any better though. Still light headed, short of breath, and chest pains. Went to put money in the bank, was gassed walking from car to ATM

        I don’t know what to say other than fortunately you are able to deal with it immediately because you know what it is — most other people are being told it’s anxiety and doing nothing … this is a rocket launcher level tragedy

  9. Sam says:

    I just found out about a friend that got the vaccine and then got a stroke and had his brain swell up….they had to cut his skull off to let the brain swell. He is still alive but not doing very well only 35 years old. Thats two people close to me that have died from Cov^d and one that got really sick from the Shot….

    I predicted this 3 years ago on OFW except that I said it would come from North Korea….it didn’t get much traction on this site because everyone was to busy singing the praises of Trust Fund Boy….trumpy….. that’s what happens when you get so tied to a political ideology. Dems think that the only way out is giving everyone a va$$. Biden should step down and appoint Trust fund boy …….Dr Suess Sneetches would have a brain fart and die! Then we wouldn’t need the vaccine anymore! America has become the dumbest country on the planet! Its a shame they have all the resources at the end….

  10. Civilization grew the wrong way.]

    It grew horizontally instead of vertically, up to 1914.

    It is time to revert the living conditions of the non elites back to what they had in 1900. No more cars, internet, smartphones, etc for them. They should be walking like chain gangs.

    Only elites should be allowed to have a good life, and whips for the rest.

  11. Mirror on the wall says:

    Gail, I can understand the association of the secular situation with dramatic spiritual events, and Revelations does seem to imply as much, but I would point out that the two have often been conflated as imminent by groups throughout the last two millennia. Indeed, the earliest Christians anticipated the End Times in their own times.

    Jesus himself seemed to indicate as much:

    Matt. 24 (NIV)
    3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
    4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you….
    34 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.”

    Paul seemed to accept as much, and he warned Christians against marriage and other worldly matters as he believed that the End was shortly to happen:

    1 Cor. 7 (NIV)
    29 What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not;
    30 those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep;
    31 those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.

    Therefore I would caution on that matter – though obviously people are free to believe whatever seems correct to them. Obviously, that imminent predictions have been wrong for 2000 years does not logically imply that they will always be wrong – ‘nothing happens until it happens’.

    PBS has a show on ‘Apocalypticism Explained.’

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/explanation/jesusjohnbaptist.html

    > …. Did Jesus himself believe the ending was near?

    There are certainly passages in the Gospels that make it clear that Jesus is anticipating an imminent moment of apocalypse. That the end is very near. Certainly the earliest Christians took away from his message the belief that his return would occur in their own life time. And in his final sermon to his disciples before his arrest, when he’s asked, “What are the signs of the end times?” He tells them about wars and conflict and wickedness and evil, that then ends with the promise, “All these things shall be fulfilled in your own time. So yes.”

    It was a very serious issue for the early church because Christ after all said to his disciples, “This generation shall not pass away before all of these things have been fulfilled.” That’s a fairly explicit promise. And there’s considerable evidence that the early Christian church was rooted in an intense apocalyptic anticipation. That indeed the end could come, at any moment. And when the decades past, and the first generation did pass away and the Second Coming did not occur, Christianity went through a sort of major period of re-assessment. And what emerged from that I think was a reinterpretation of these apocalyptic texts, taking a much longer view of things, and in fact the early church as it becomes institutionalized in Rome discourages apocalyptic speculation. They viewed it as dangerous, and basically take the view that Christ’s kingdom will gradually unfold over time. There will be a culmination of righteousness at some point in the future. But we don’t know the precise details. So you can see a quite dramatic change in Christian theology from the very earliest Christians to the medieval church.

    The best evidence we have as to what the followers of Jesus thought about the imminence of the end after his death is clearly Paul. We have very early letters from Paul. They date from the 50s AD and they’re first hand, they’re autobiographical. They’re undisputed. And they say the most startling things. For example in First Corinthians, which we date about 54 AD, Paul says that it’s better not to get married. The end of all things is at hand. In view of the present distress that he thinks is coming on the world, he’s actually advising people, “Slaves, remain a slave. Don’t try to really change the social order, because everything, very rapidly, is coming to an end.” One of his phrases is that “the appointed time has grown very short.” It’s a phrase right out of the Book of Daniel, about the appointed time, the time of the end. He’s our earliest and best evidence. So that tells us that in the 50s, around the Mediterranean world, Christian communities are sprouting up, believing that Jesus is the messiah. That he’s going to come again, probably in their lifetime and that they shouldn’t really worry too much about their economic and social order, and even their marital state, because the end is coming so soon….

    • Kowalainen says:

      When Jesus spoke of ‘generations’. It was perhaps the current postdiluvian/Holocene incarnation of mankind and earth?

      In geological/Earth time scales it is nothing particular at all. Just another turn in the wheel of yawns. 🥱

      Idiots gonna idiot.
      Muppets gonna muppet.
      Forever and forever.

      “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”
      — Good ole Albert

      It is what it is.
      🤔

    • These books of the Bible were written long after the events happened (or supposedly happened). I am not sure that there is a close correspondence between what is written and what actually happened.

      I expect many religions have insights into end times, not just a few books out of the Old or New Testament.

      It makes no difference to me if some of what the Bible says seems to be clearly wrong; this is a reasonable expectation of writings that were set down, long after actual events.

      Also, some of the writings are coded. They were written in a time of persecution. They could have been warnings to all groups facing economic collapse.

      Whether or not early groups anticipated end times in their own times, we seem to be facing the issue now. Collapse clearly has happened many, many times in the past. It is interesting to see what people who knew of collapses of that time warned about.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        That sounds sensibly circumspect. Very few Christians would claim that everything is true in the Bible, be it Genesis or whatever. There is no point in not extending that principle to the NT.

        Jesus seemed to encourage his followers to pursue the path of martyrdom, death for Christianity, as a way to totally renounce the world and to seek a place in the imminent, post-apocalyptic ‘kingdom’ that his death would precipitate. The whole concept of the ‘messiah’ is apocalyptic, and the Gospels are all about its fulfillment being imminent in Jesus, ‘for kingdom of God is at hand’.

        Matt. 16 (KJV)
        24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
        25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
        26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
        27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
        28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

        Indeed, untold (said to be millions) of his followers got themselves killed by the Romans during the persecutions, first under Nero (r. 54–68) and then more generally under Marcus Aurelius (r. 161–180) and others, and majorly under Diocletian (r. 283–305). The official ‘saints’ of the early Romanised church were all martyrs, and ‘confessors’ (non-martyrs) is a later, post-persecution, medieval concept.

        The bulk of the traditional Roman Martyrology (online) gives accounts of the early martyrs under the Romans. It was recited a chapter a day by Roman clergy until Vatican II, and that maintained the emphasis on the ‘foundation’ of the church in the early martyrs. Other, more ascetic ways to analogously ‘renounce the world’ were sought, like the celibacy, poverty and obedience of religious. Luther chucked all that stuff with the ‘gospel of freedom’.

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          Perhaps early Christianity, with its ‘kingdom of God’, was a ‘selective mechanism’ like Nietzsche’s ‘eternal return’. It encouraged all those who inclined to despise the world and the way that it works, those who desired to live in a different, ‘moralised’ world of eternal rest and ‘love’, to ‘take up their cross’ and to get themselves killed by the Romans.

          Thus those who were ill-disposed to life removed themselves from the gene pool (also through the ‘chastity’ of the ‘virgins’, which was another ‘highest’ state among them, along with martyrdom – and the ‘celibacy’ of the Medieval monks and priests) and the species was thus strengthened in its ‘will to life’, in its organic drives to pro-actively engage with the world.

          If so, then we might infer that Europeans were already exhausted of vitality at the end of the classical era. Perhaps Christianity was an instinctive measure of the species, an emergency discipline, a millennial restorative. Perhaps it still took a thousand years to incubate the vitality of the Renaissance. The Reformation also as a sign of renewed life-force.

          Likely industrial civilisation will also leave humanity shattered, and in need of long, restorative disciplines. The ‘birth strikers’ might well be an early indication of just such a self-denying, abstinent moralism – the self-erasure of the exhausted. What great monasteries will humans need to build for themselves this time – to voluntarily ‘commit’ themselves? Perhaps Christianity could again do the job?

          • Kowalainen says:

            When the road is far departed from the Tao, what else is there to do than merely to exist within the confine that is set according to the particular embodiment of a 4-bit coding sequence which manifests as I?

            On some occasions nothing more is better than something different.

            Fatigue; it is just fatigue of being a (malfunctioning) primate embroiled in monkey business. Just have a good long look around with people pursue ‘meaning’ and in petty search of various culprits, villains, for the current predicament.

            It is useless to look for it when it’s already in your face as you stand in front of the mirror. There’s not much to write home about in front and from behind. The reflections of failure as a species.

            https://youtu.be/meiU6TxysCg

            However, nothing is forever and something’s can change as the process develops. Say a hottie broad with properly torqued screws.

            🤣👍👍

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          Modern health care, and especially the collapse in infant mortality from 1/3 in the UK in the 19th c. to near zero today, likely means that very many people are born physiologically exhausted of vitality, and that impacts their physical and mental health throughout their lives, and constrains their social performance.

          1 in 7 babies in UK are born premature, and the use of incubators is widespread, which tends to lead to massive health problems – the earlier the delivery, the worse the lifelong problems. At the same time, 10 million babies in UK have been selected out for mere convenience, and ‘personal liberty’.

          It may take several centuries for the species to recover back to where it was even 100 years ago. Industrial civilisation has a massive impact on the human species, as well as other species.

          The latter is more topical today, and the stats on the former are not given much attention. The reasons are social and psychological. Nature tends to find ways to repair itself. So, enjoy IC while you can, future generations will pick up the bill. BAU tonight, baby!

          https://www.marchofdimes.org/complications/long-term-health-effects-of-premature-birth.aspx

          > Long-Term Health Effects of Premature Birth

          Premature birth is birth that happens too soon, before 37 weeks of pregnancy. Babies born prematurely may have more health problems at birth and later in life than babies born later. Premature babies can have long-term intellectual and developmental disabilities and problems with their lungs, brain, eyes and other organs. Finding and treating health problems as early as possible can help premature babies lead, healthier lives.

          How can premature birth affect a baby’s health?

          Premature birth is birth that happens too soon, before 37 weeks of pregnancy. Babies born this early may have more health problems or need to stay in the hospital longer than babies born later. These premature babies may need special medical care in a newborn intensive care unit (also called NICU). Each year, about 1 in 10 babies in the United States is born prematurely.

          Prematurity can cause problems for babies throughout their lives. The earlier a baby is born, the more likely she is to have health problems. Some of these problems may not show up for several years, even into adulthood. Finding and treating health problems as early as possible—and preventing premature birth when possible—can help babies lead longer, healthier lives.

          How can premature birth affect a baby’s brain?

          Premature birth can lead to long-term intellectual and developmental disabilities for babies. These are problems with how the brain works. They can cause a person to have trouble or delays in:

          – Some long-term conditions linked to premature birth include:

          – Cerebral palsy (also called CP). This is a group of conditions that affects the parts of your brain the brain that control your muscles. This can cause problems with movement, posture (standing up straight) and balance.

          – Behavior problems. Some studies show that premature babies may be more likely to have attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (also called ADHD) than babies born on time. ADHD is a condition that makes it hard for a person to pay attention and control his behavior.

          – Mental health conditions. Premature babies may be more likely to have anxiety or depression later in life. Depression is a medical condition in which strong feelings of sadness last for a long time and interfere with your daily life. It needs treatment to get better. Anxiety is when you feel worried or fearful and these feelings affect your daily life, like school work, jobs or relationships with others.

          – Neurological disorders. These conditions affect the brain, spinal cord and nerves throughout the body….

          https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01517-z

          > …. For babies who survive, the earlier they are born, the higher the risk of complications or ongoing disability (see ‘The effects of being early’). There is a long list of potential problems — including asthma, anxiety, autism spectrum disorder, cerebral palsy, epilepsy and cognitive impairment — and about one-third of children born extremely prematurely have one condition on the list, says Mike O’Shea, a neonatologist at the University of North Carolina School of Medicine in Chapel Hill, who co-runs a study tracking children born between 2002 and 2004. In this cohort, another one-third have multiple disabilities, he says, and the rest have none.

          • medical training isnt necessary to know about the risks associated with premature birth

            babies go to term at 9months because nature has evolved them to do so

            even discussing that is the argument of idiots

            babies survive a t less–but they are bound to be diadvantaged

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Any reason we’d be injecting healthy young people including healthy pregnant women with the covid vaccines?

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              Presumably you are being rude because your ego has got the better of you again. Pls. do not try to turn this into an episode of Eastenders.

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          The ‘kingdom of God’, the ‘eternal return’. It is like an orchid attracting bees for pseudocopulation, so that it might propagate itself.

          Nature employs deception to get what it wants – so that it might continue, and even repair itself. It disposes its parts to both enact and suffer deception, humans included. It is a structural part of how the world works.

          Religion is the same natural tendency to illusion that is found in plants. It is already elaborate in plants, and it can be positively Byzantine in the more ‘spiritual’.

          It would be rash to assume that ‘supernatural’ religions are not entirely natural, let alone ‘anti-natural’. They are natural phenomena that express natural tendencies and that have natural outcomes.

          Societies are complexes of illusion. The alternative would be the brute force of the inorganic, which often appears also in human life.

          Religions are a normal, natural part of human life – which is not to say that everyone goes in for them. And secularism is hardly free of illusions.

          > The perspective of all organic functions, all the strongest instincts of life: the force in all life that wills error. TWTP 544

          • Kowalainen says:

            Which can be shorted down to:

            “People lie to themselves.”

            Why you might ask?

            “Because!”

            Hopiates and delusions is much ‘better’ than stone cold ultimate reality. Just the mere idea of being an embodiment, instance, output, of a mindless process must me abhorrent for most.

            Therefore ‘meaning’ is in high demand. It gives comfort while the unthinkable cannot.

            The ‘deceptive’ plant doesn’t know what is going on since it lacks mental faculties for thinking while the insect follows it’s instincts absent of enough mental faculties to detect unwitting deception.

            In the mean time:

            “Chop wood; carry water.”

            ☺️

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          The ‘kingdom of God’ can be interpreted as directly analogous to the orchid eliciting pseudocopulation from bees to propagate itself. In both cases, the perpetuation of ‘life’ is offered in a way that frustrates it, while others propagate. Nature works also through ‘error’.

          ‘Take up thy cross, he who loses his life for my sake will gain it eternal.’

          Nature finds ways to repair itself. It lures the physiologically exhausted to self-erasure, be it martyrdom or celibacy, while the less susceptible, those with healthy instincts propagate.

          Nature works through instincts, organic drives, and ‘reason’ is in the service of that. It may seem that people are motivated by ‘reason’ but that is an illusion. Rather the intellect expresses instincts and their health. It is in the service of the natural will.

          The Socratic formula of ‘reason = virtue = happiness’ gives the opposite impression. A better formular might be ‘physiological health = organic drives = motivation’. The mind is ‘secondary’ (maybe even epiphenomenal, acausal) to instinct.

          So, religions or philosophies may appear to motivate people, but really Nature is working through their instincts either to propagate itself through them or to repair itself through their abstinence. Their mental ‘narrative’ is secondary to Nature’s path.

          ‘Marriage is an holy estate, but celibacy is the more perfect.’ So sayeth Nature.

          People propagate or abstain from life because of their physiological vitality – and the ‘window dressing’ of the mind expresses that degree of vitality, it is not the ‘reason’, the ’cause’ of it.

          Buddhism with its monasteries is another path that Nature offers the exhausted to halt their propagation. The ‘egoless’, ‘selfless’, ‘humble’ condition (as if that were even possible) as the outright vanity that entices to oblivion.

          Nature offers ‘reasons’ to live or to celibacy. But which course people take depends entirely on their instincts. Life is not an argument. People either physiologically possess healthy instincts or they do not.

  12. Tim Groves says:

    I think Steve’s nailed it. With pictures too.

    “Why did Gavin Newsom and family take a vacation in Cabo, Mexico?
    I think he went there for stem cell treatments to treat his GBS. He had to bring the entire family along because if he went by himself, that would be too hard to explain.”

    “I know Gavin has GBS that he got from his recent booster shot. Some people believe stem cell treatments can help. But stem cell treatments aren’t available in the US. To get them, Gavin has to travel outside the US say, for example, to the Cabo Stem Cell Center which caters to the rich and famous… “only the very best.””

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/why-did-gavin-newsom-and-family-take?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo1OTA5ODEwNSwicG9zdF9pZCI6NDUwMzkyMjEsIl8iOiJ4MjB0YiIsImlhdCI6MTYzODc2MTMwMywiZXhwIjoxNjM4NzY0OTAzLCJpc3MiOiJwdWItNTQ4MzU0Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.Lpco7K9xEZGC6YFUnG8Hz6P_WHNmuI1_pmQut0lIRVw

    • CTG says:

      Tim, regarding the “auto signup” for Steve Kirsch’s website, it did not happen to me. However, he has good stuff in there. The comments section is also quite ok.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Yeadon is in there from time to time … and of course the forum super star Fast Eddy is known to make a guest appearance or ten

        • Tim Groves says:

          So many celebs! It sounds like a Rod Stewart party only you aren’t allowed in if you’ve been jabbed.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            When a man of science like Rod Stewart opines … we need to listen… and do what we are told … right mike?

          • hillcountry says:

            It’s a shame Joe Cocker only made it to 70. Wouldn’t he be great leading the vaxx-resistance. “It’s late September and I really should be back in school” but I got these post-vaxx shakes you see.

  13. Michael Le Merchant says:

    China To Cut RRR “Within A Week” As Evergrande Braces For Imminent Default
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-cut-rrr-within-week-evergrande-braces-imminent-default

    • It will be interesting to see what happens. China has a limited amount of coal, natural gas and oil. It can’t do everything. Building new, unneeded homes shouldn’t be a top priority. At the same time, they don’t want to bring down the financial system.

      I am guessing that they will default on bonds held outside China and somehow fix the situation so within China, the bonds will be replaced with something else of value–ownership of unfinished homes, for example.

  14. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Israel said to consider 4th COVID vaccine dose

    The advisory panel is due to discuss the option for a fourth vaccine later this week.
    According to Prof. Cyrille Cohen, head of the immunology lab at Bar-Ilan University, the move makes sense.
    “We know that three shots are needed by people with a functional immune system,” Cohen said. “Immunosuppressed patients got their third vaccine already almost six months ago, so it is not a bad idea to offer them another booster, since they are at high risk.”
    According to the scientist, it is hard to know if it is going to help.
    “It is very complex to answer the question without actually carrying out the procedure,” he said. “We saw how with the third vaccine many were skeptical as Israel started to administer it, and now most of the world agrees that it is needed.”

    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/covid-israel-to-consider-4th-vaccine-for-immuno-suppressed-patients-687904

  15. Michael Le Merchant says:

    This blog is keeping a tally of deaths and cardiac arrests:

    288 Athletes Suffer Cardiac Arrest, 166 Die, After COVID Shot

    https://goodsciencing.com/covid/71-athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-26-die-after-covid-shot/

    • Mike Roberts says:

      I don’t rule out that some of these are caused by the vaccine, or that the vaccine contributed to them in some way, but I’d like to see a running total of all athlete deaths and heart attacks over the last couple of years (i.e since long before huge numbers were having vaccines). However, I looked at the first few reports that had links and only one mentioned that the person, Hank Aaron, had been vaccinated, though it was later revealed that he died of natural causes (I know some won’t believe that but let them provide evidence). So alarm bells are immediately ringing having only done cursory due diligence on the story.

      • Tim Groves says:

        This “later revealed” story doesn’t reveal very much, does it?

        All it tells us is “The 86-year-old Hall of Famer and longtime Atlanta Braves right fielder died of natural causes, according to an investigator in the Fulton County Medical Examiner’s Office.”

        It quotes an anonymous investigator giving an opinion, gives no details of what these natural causes were, doesn’t say if a post mortem examination was carried out or not.

        And, more generally, you imply that we are supposed to “believe” anything Yahoo News publishes as a default setting or else provide evidence to the contrary? Seriously?

        Come on Mike, surely you can do better than this?

        • Mike Roberts says:

          It’s better than Michael Le Merchant posting a link to a list of events that we don’t even know are connected to the vaccine. I knew you wouldn’t accept anything from Yahoo News. Did you look elsewhere for information on the death of Hank Aaron? What did you find?

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Hahahaha…. says the clown who takes experimental garbage that is wrecking millions … so he can be allowed into the donut shop …

            hahahahaha… hahahahaha… baaaaaahhhh… baaaaahhhh

          • Tim Groves says:

            Let me repeat: It quotes an anonymous investigator giving an opinion, gives no details of what these natural causes were, doesn’t say if a post mortem examination was carried out or not.

            The story is not backed up by enough facts or references for it to be “accepted”. This is the gist of the matter; not where it was published.

            “Natural causes” is not in itself a cause of death. On a death certificate, natural causes actually refers to the “manner of death” rather than the specific cause. Authorities indicate whether the manner of death was natural, accidental, or due to suicide or homicide. Another section of the death certificate includes more specific information about the cause of death, including the “immediate cause” that occurred at the time of death and the “underlying causes” that led up to the death.

            Hank died16 days after taking part in a vaccination stunt. He took his first dose of Moderna as an encouragement for other black people to accept the jabs and to demonstrate their safety. Those are facts. He died of natural causes according to the Fulton County Medical Examiner’s office. But precisely which natural causes have never been specified.

            I’d like to see someone actually try to put “natural” as the cause of death on a death certificate. What a joke. The whole “natural causes” thing is just bullshit. Not a real cause of death.

            Lou Gehrig had a disease named after him. Perhaps Hank should have a similar honor. Anyone dying of natural causes within a month of a jab died of Hank Aaron’s disease. Sorted.

            Mike you have a distinct MO. You like to twist things and evade issues and generally avoid addressing salient points while raising irrelevant ones. It’s an MO that makes you difficult for me personally to get on with. But on the other hand it is a valid way of engaging in arguments if one’s aim is to derail discussion. And this style of arguing does provide others with a challenge if they choose to engage with you—a bit like doing a crossword puzzle.

            CTC thinks you are a bot. But I think you are more likely to be a junior barrister trying out his technique during his lunch breaks.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I believe mike is a human… but that doesn’t say much when the vast majority of humans are total MOREONS…. the odds of mike not being a MOREON… were always extremely slim

            • Mike Roberts says:

              Tim, I agree with most of that but my question was whether you had thought to check out any of the supposed deaths caused by the vaccine. Hank Aaron’s case was the only one of the first half-dozen or so where there was evidence that the person had been vaccinated. It seems that you took the list at face value. I didn’t. By the way, Hank Aaron can hardly be classed as a current athlete, which seems to be the point of the list but it’s not surprising that someone intent on such a list would seek to include as many people as possible.

              When you check out some of those on the list, let us know how large you think a genuine such list would be.

              A junior barrister, huh? Well, I’d already mentioned to CTG that I’m a retired software developer. Perhaps just stick to the discussion in hand?

              Which salient points have I avoided? Many responders to me do have an MO, though, they avoid the points I make which at least suggest a claim is wrong or more nuanced. That’s OK, hopefully something will go in and result in a more considered opinion.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              There’s this guy named mike. he loves pie. he loves pie so much that mike is willing to inject himself repeatedly with poison garbage… just so he can go to the pie shop. And enjoy pie. mike likes all sorts of pies. chicken. lamb. beef. mike just loves pie. he’s willing Die for Pie.

              That’s mike!

              https://postcardprovisions.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/My-Post-11.png

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Very impressive. Fauci is doing an excellent job. He deserves a Christmas bonus turkey

  16. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Doctors in Afghanistan’s crisis-hit hospitals, many of whom are now working without pay, spoke to the BBC about the country’s deepening humanitarian crisis.

    The young woman was crying, begging the doctor to kill her and her baby. Dr Nuri, an obstetrician in central Afghanistan, was about to deliver the baby by Caesarean section when the mother broke down.

    “I don’t know how I can stay alive,” she said, according to Dr Nuri, “so how can I give birth to another human being?” The women on Dr Nuri’s ward are so malnourished that they know they are unlikely to have enough breast milk to feed their children.

    Dr Nuri says the wards are so crowded that she has to squeeze past women in labour pressed up against blood-stained walls, or lying on dirty sheets. Most cleaners left her hospital months ago, fed up with working without pay. And the maternity ward is so crowded that sometimes there are several women to one bed. Nearby facilities and private clinics have had to close, and this once prestigious modern hospital in central Afghanistan sees three times the number of women that it used to.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-59419962

    • Fast Eddy says:

      And if the CEP fails… this would be a glimpse into the future of everyone .. only worse… there would be no hospitals or food… when BAU is gone…

      It looks like the CEP is assured… I hear that the Elders are clinking glasses right this minute… it is of course a solemn clinking of glasses… nobody is happy about having to exterminate 8B people

    • Hubbs says:

      And here I sometimes think that even if I took in one or two of these children, had them sleeping on Wiggy’s mats, feeding them one can of Cambell’s Beef Stew ($1.78 plus tax at Wal-Mart), a piece of fruit a day, some milk and one bath per week, and clothing only from Salvation Army clothes, I would be arrested for child abuse. These kids don’t even have a fighting chance.

      • Halfvard says:

        Truly a platonic example of Malthusian overshoot…

      • Fast Eddy says:

        It sucks until you remember there are 8B of these things on the planet… almost all are despicable MOREONS… so the odds are the one depicted there is a MOREON…

        It’s the animals that are suffering because of us that I save my pity for…

        • Tim Groves says:

          Well, that’s one way of dealing with the horror, I suppose. The way I look at it is that there is no political, social and economic structure in place in Afghanistan that allows people to treat each other with the dignity you’ve come to expect as a denizen of New Zealand.

          If I were to add a personal opinion, it would be that it is lamentable that this situation exists.

          Firstly, it is a consequence of Afghanistan being a war zone for most of the past half-century. A decade under the Soviets, a decade under the Mujahideen and the Taliban, two decades under Uncle Sam, and now back to the Taliban.

          Secondly, it is a consequence of a be-fruitful-and-multiply mentality aided by 20th century medical interventions to reduce infant mortality.

          Given the way people have been breeding, it didn’t take a Malthus to this misery coming.

          The Afghan population was 10 million in the mid-1960s, rose to almost 14 million in the late seventies, dropped to 11 million in the late eighties (thanks to Zbigniew), than shot up at an incredible rate, rising to 20 million in 2000, 30 million in 2011, and 38.9 million in 2020 (Thanks to Dubya, Barack, and Donald). It is a human resource-rich country with a population growth rate of 2.34%. Though what other resources they have are not sufficient to support this many Afghans.

          Also, similar rates of population growth can be observed from Morocco in the west to Myanmar in the east. Thankfully, the Thais, Malays and Vietnamese seem to have things under control now. But North Africa, the Middle East and South Asia are in the midst of a population explosion that cannot have a soft landing. As long as quasi-BAU holds, we will be hearing about a lot more misery from that part of the world as the years go by.

    • “this once prestigious modern hospital in central Afghanistan sees three times the number of women that it used to.”

      Sounds like a real mess.

  17. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Study adds to evidence linking plastics, antibiotic resistance
    https://www.sustainability-times.com/clean-cities/study-adds-to-evidence-linking-plastics-antibiotic-resistance/

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Hahaha… great! What a disaster humans are… and there are those who believe we are special…

      We are special… in a bad kinda way.

      Good riddance to the humans. Our relatively short journey as a species is just about over.

    • Hubbs says:

      Very intesting post Monsieur Merchant. This is yet another angle on inevitable reduction in complexity- this time in the medical field. Emergence of antibiotics in the 20th century probably has had as profound an impact on the growth of the human and population as has fossil fuel enabled increases in modern food production- and antibiotics to raise animal protein yields as well.

      Now it looks as if antibiotic use will have to be unwound, as R&D is too costly, and too non productive. In fact, I wonder with antibiotic resistance, the cost-benefit ratio has gone negative.

    • ““Microplastic surfaces may serve as aggregation sites for susceptible bacteria, accelerating gene transfer by bringing the bacteria into contact with each other and with released chemicals,” the authors explain. “That synergy could enrich environmental conditions favorable to antibiotic resistance even in the absence of antibiotics.””

      Another thing adding to the world’s problems!

  18. Fast Eddy says:

    I was hyperventilating reading through Igor’s latest post… if I hadn’t pulled out a paper back I may have Michael Hutchenced myself

  19. Fast Eddy says:

    Conclusions

    This Omicron appears to be as contagious as measles or chickenpox.

    If so, masks will NOT work at all.

    Actually nothing will work, not even “isolating”, for people living in multi-dwelling units. Perhaps sitting inside a nailed-shut single family home might work, but clearly all this is impossible for our interdependent society, if we do not want to die of starvation.

    Expect Omicron to be all around you in weeks.

    Do NOT freak out. Remember that you will die anyway eventually anyway.

    There will NOT be time to develop “Omicron vaccine” if it takes 100 days to develop a vaccine.

    I will personally NOT employ any precautions for now. I shopped maskless yesterday and plan on doing so today. It is stupid to even try to hide from this. I will be also hitting the gym in the coming days, while it is still open.

    Omicron is inevitable. It will bring panic and pandemonium, if Omicron CFR is even similar to Delta and it spreads like chickenpox. Even worse, if the CFR is higher as I wrote previously.

    Politicians’ statements today are meaningless.

  20. Fast Eddy says:

    If Igor is correct… then Tim Morgan has nailed it.

    It’s now
    Posted on November 29, 2021
    TIMING THE MOMENT OF FRACTURE

    When and how can we know that a change of direction is fundamental and lasting, rather than a temporary departure from established trends?

    That, in essence, is the call we need to make now. Far from being “transitory”, current conditions – including rising inflation, surging energy prices and the over-stressing of supply-chains – are indicators of a structural change.

    Ultimately, what we’re witnessing is a forced restoration of equilibrium between a faltering real economy of goods and services and a drastically over-extended financial economy of money and credit.

    This is where confidence in continuity crumbles, where the delusions of ‘growth in perpetuity’ succumb to the hard reality of resource constraint, and where ‘shocks that are no surprises’ shake the financial system.

    https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2021/11/29/216-its-now/

    • Michael Le Merchant says:

      When is Tim going to start talking about the End Times and potential candidates for the Antichrist?

    • drb says:

      As I noted several times… no need to post an interesting link, because FE will eventually repost it 2-3 days later. It’s as if he does not read this forum.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Fast Eddy was made aware of this by way of the OFW forum. And HE is plugging it in as necessary…

        • drb says:

          By all means keep going. You come from a land where a horse faced woman knows what is best for everyone. Perhaps you are influenced. Though I am not implying that you are ugly. You must have been a beautiful child, because you need for constant attention is noteworthy.

          • machival66 says:

            drb please show a bit of respect and compassion. I assume you are not aware and maybe this is why you made this mistake but Fast Eddy is a mentally disabled person so it is bad to mock him. We need to show compassion to the handicapped less fortunate people out there.

    • Tim Morgan is in Great Britain. There, energy prices are more stressed than they are in the US, so it is more obvious that something is wrong.

      Here in Georgia, in the US, I was struck that the church I attend was unusually full this morning, even though nothing special was going on (other than the first Sunday after Thanksgiving weekend). I remember the Sunday after September 1, 2001. It was necessary to set up extra chairs in the church narthex to accommodate the overflow. We ran out of bulletins. In some ways, this can be an immediate fear index.

      • Lidia17 says:

        Interesting metric!
        I know someone whose background is Asian/Jewish. This person is seeking social refuge in a local small-town Baptist congregation. The committed depth of anyone’s adherence to church-going is open for debate, but this friend acknowledges (to me) that he mayn’t be able to fully commit to the religious concepts, but is primarily attending for the accessible group solidarity.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The MOREONS are sensing danger… Mr DNA has opened one eye.

      • Sam says:

        I noticed the same at my church! But the sermon was about the end times so I guess it makes sense……

      • hillcountry says:

        Or maybe just a sanity index. Breakdown and Media Clown Show for breakfast, lunch and dinner must have a lot of people fatigued. Maybe its a rejection of the “Big Picture” being painted by idiots. The need for normal conversation is everywhere evident. The desire for non-stress situations with a sense of social solidarity among like-minded people is strong. Singing together is comforting. We can’t get out to church but sing gospel with Alan Jackson every night before bed. It could be fear as you say but it could also be people shaking-off the fear and standing together, enjoying each others company in a safe space. I would be encouraged to think it’s the latter case.

  21. Fast Eddy says:

    Let’s thicken the Stew of Death hahaha

    https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_%5Bobject%20Object%5D,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcd26c62c-eb59-46b6-8a47-d2b2e74c003c_641x1055.jpeg

    In a Hong Kong quarantine hotel, one traveler became infected with Omicron.

    The infection came from another traveler who had NO contact

    Travelers had rooms across the corridor from each other on the same floor

    All was verified with surveillance footage

    Both case-patients had previously received 2 vaccine doses (Pfizer-BioNTech, https://www.pfizer.comExternal Link); the second dose was given on June 4, 2021, for case-patient A and on May 25, 2021, for case-patient B. Both case-patients tested negative by reverse transcription PCR (RT-PCR) for SARS-CoV-2 within 72 hours before arrival.

    Case-patient A showed a positive result for SARS-CoV-2 without symptoms on November 13, 2021 (cycle threshold [Ct] value 18). He was hospitalized and isolated the next day. Case-patient B had mild symptoms develop on November 17, 2021. He showed a positive result for SARS-CoV-2 (Ct value 19) on November 18, 2021, and was hospitalized on the same day. The 2 Ct values indicate high viral loads.

  22. Fast Eddy says:

    Oopsy….

    Update on severity/virulence

    A couple of days ago, I posted an article Omicron may have 2.5-3.2% fatality rate. This was a VERY preliminary opinion of mine. It takes two weeks, on average, to die of Covid, so no data was collected in the Western World yet. So my opinion was based on very little data that I had from South Africa. Since then, relatively little new data came out, but here’s two tweets, one of them is mine.

    Guateng, South Africa hospital admissions:

    https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/omicron-may-spread-as-fast-as-chickenpo

    https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0767286-d8be-4cfc-8a7a-f290ddd37c53_1862x496.jpeg

  23. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Paul Craig Roberts

    So why the coercion to force dangerous vaccination that only does harm?

    It is simply not possible that public health agencies in Austria, Italy, Germany, and Australia are unaware of the evidence that the Covid “vaccines” are a total failure and a danger.

    “Are all public health officials bought off by bribes from Big Pharma, or is the suspicion that a reduction in world population is underway a fact instead of a conspiracy theory?”
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/12/03/more-evidence-that-the-covid-conspiracy-theory-is-a-fact/

    • Fast Eddy says:

      I sent him the CEP outline…

      Before submitting it asked:

      Which is bigger, 2 or 8?

      And we think AI is going to deliver a pizza? haahahahahahahahahaha jeeezuz kerIst!!!

      Even mike norm dunc if they put their great minds together and had a few hours to think about it… could figure that out

  24. CTG says:

    Mike Robert’s… this is ANOTHER repeat post since you said you did not see my questions. Here it is. It is the main thread. Please answer them. Thank you.

    ** This is the third one. If you did not answer me, then you have some serious explanation. I am not going to report this anymore. You would have seen this post. Not possible for you to miss 3 posts.

    Mike – explain to me why you believe the peer-reviewed studies so much that you believe them 100% without any questions asked? I have a lot of experience where I was told to “follow” what others have written without questioning it.

    I asked my supervisor “What if the study was wrong?” He shrugged and said “just follow them”.

    Since then, I have no trust in this “peer-reviewed” papers unless it is easily proven by mathematics. Any studies related to “data collection”, “economics” or any subjects that are just “words”, I never believe any of them.

    Tell me what is your experience. Real life experience that you have gone through that dictate to you that you have to believe all peer-reviewed papers 100% without any questions asked.

    Tell me something about yourself. Which country you are in? What is your job if you had one before? What is your qualifications?

    Tell us something that shows you are a human. Something with emotion like laughter, sadness, sympathy or any experience that you have encountered like your friends, colleagues having vaccine issues or died from COVID or anything related to human emotion or sarcasm. I hope it is not too tall an order.

  25. Michael Le Merchant says:

    South Africa considers vaccine mandates as Omicron drives infections surge
    Country faces fourth wave while only a quarter of the population has been vaccinated
    https://www.ft.com/content/47fa3d7c-e98a-4bac-ac54-25998b39c449

  26. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Chinese property developer Sunshine 100 China announcement says unable to repay 10.5% 2021 notes principal account, the event of DEFAULT has taken place, which also triggered CROSS DEFAULT.
    The Co. is communicating with holders to reach extension.
    The other one after Evergrande.

  27. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Front page of Monday December 6th Financial Times…
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF4neEAX0A0uiyr?format=jpg&name=large

  28. Michael Le Merchant says:

    More vaccines are coming to Canada, but not for humans. Instead, zoos are eagerly awaiting doses of a COVID-19 specifically made for animals.

    Pharmaceutical company Zoetis, based in the United States, has developed a vaccine specifically for animals. The Canadian Food Inspection Agency has approved it for emergency use and the company is donating 900 doses, which should ship in the coming days.

    As Mike Armstrong explains, American zoos are already inoculating animals against this virus.

    • More vaccine sales for vaccine makers. I hope the zoo animals don’t start dropping dead of the vaccines.

      • Halfvard says:

        Not having to maintain zoos and keep the animals fed would be a savings of energy and resources that would be simple for a dissipative structure to drop without losing much tho….

        • Fast Eddy says:

          We’re in a balloon that is plummeting towards the ground and desperately tossing out everything that is not absolutely required to operate the balloon.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Jab everything that moves… encourage more mutations… keep on bashing the MOREONS face in … even though it is long dead

  29. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Dr. Fauci on Lara Logan comparing him to Nazi Dr. Mengele: “What I find striking is how she gets no discipline whatsoever from the Fox network. How they can let her say that with no comment and no disciplinary action. I’m astounded by that.”
    https://twitter.com/Kukicat7/status/1467575147167195137

  30. Michael Le Merchant says:

    UIDAI enters collaboration with World Bank to export Aadhaar digital ID architecture

    During the online session, Garg also announced UIDAI is planning to add more biometrics modalities to Aadhaar’s current fingerprint and iris recognition technologies.

    “Apart from the finger, we already have iris but iris is more cumbersome to use and it requires special devices. That’s why we are looking at facial authentication with due precaution.”

    The UIDAI already supports facial recognition through specialized devices, but is looking at deploying Aadhaar’s facial authentication capabilities on mobile devices.
    https://www.biometricupdate.com/202112/uidai-enters-collaboration-with-world-bank-to-export-aadhaar-digital-id-architecture

    • This is the Bill Gates technology, to be used for rationing, isn’t it? I remember that he was testing a biometric program in India. It seemed to lead to a lot of inequitable results.

      The group the story is about is “Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI).”

      • Michael Le Merchant says:

        “Microsoft founder Bill Gates said, India’s Aadhaar technology doesn’t pose any privacy issue as it’s just a bio-ID verification scheme. Gates also said that countries should adopt that (Aadhaar) approach because the quality of governance has a lot to do with how quickly countries are able to grow their economy and empower their people. Further Gates said Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is to fund the World Bank to take Aadhaar approach to other countries as it’s worth emulating. Infosys founder Nandan Nilekani, considered the chief architect of Aadhaar, was consulting and helping the World Bank on the project. More than a billion people in India have enrolled in Aadhaar, making it the world’s largest biometric ID system.”

        ID2020: Getting Digital ID “Right”

        Here’s a document presenting the “need” for global, digital/biometric ID, brought to us by Gates, Soros, Rockefeller, the World Bank, ID2020, and McKinsey.
        https://www.civilianintelligencenetwork.ca/2020/04/03/id2020-getting-digital-id-right/

  31. Fast Eddy says:

    Omicron May be as Contagious as Chickenpox or Measles

    South Africa research on Sars-Cov2 evolution in HIV sponsored by Bill Gates

    https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/omicron-may-spread-as-fast-as-chickenpox

    • He is concerned about what seems to be a rapidly rising level of hospitalizations in South Africa, but apparently not from Omicron. This is strange. Maybe really Omicron. If hospitalizations high, death rate could be fairly high.

      Also, the variant might have come from convalescent plasma crossing with a virus, as in this Nature article. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33780970/

      Wearing masks is useless, if the virus is as transmissible as this one seems to be.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Exciting stuff huh!

        Need to keep an eye on this … if it continues to amp up (and it will be a steep trajectory if he is right) the second it emerges in NZ need to do one mother of a final push at the super market… then soon after affix the sheets of plywood that are sitting in the garage onto the lower floor windows… insert the bolts and prep the arsenal for the unlikely event that anyone is going to try to invade (they’ll all be sick and dying)….

        And settle in for the Big One. I wonder how long the internet will remain functional…

        Things will happen rapidly once this strikes… once you start seeing news of mass deaths in any of the core countries it’s likely no more than days before it unravels…

        The Beast … approaches.

        http://www.schaft.net/n00bs/diary_img/mj-this-is-it._jptrjpg.jpg

      • Anna Norseman says:

        “Also, the variant might have come from convalescent plasma crossing with a virus, as in this Nature article.”

        Huh? Did you even read the abstract? The source of the variant was not even addressed in the article. They were, instead, looking at the effectiveness of plasma at neutralizing a virus variant of concern. They considered plasma from the first wave of the pandemic and plasma from the second wave. The word “Escape” in the title refers to the virus escaping neutralization by the plasma.

        I am NOT a biologist, but I can’t see from the abstract, or from glancing through the article, how you came to your conclusion.

  32. Michael Le Merchant says:

    I asked an old friend if he got his booster jab yet. He replied that he did and said that he’s gonna get the next jab and the one after that also. I asked him why & he said that they plan on wiping out 70% of the population and he doesn’t want to be one of the 30% left.

  33. CTG says:

    Our current society penalize that who are correct but early. It is because of this, people held back on speaking out until it is way too late to save things.

    Get what you sow. If it is addressed earlier like in 1970s in a collective effort like what a perfect living organism would do, then we would have not used debt and transition to another form of living condition. Anyway, that will be another simulation. Another life. Reincarnate !

    • Well, indeed some true to it, e.g. the engineering concepts and material science was ready (good enough) for breeders since the mid/late ~1970s to no avail or route chosen onwards..

      And from another angle of non technological de-growth in terms of returning to land, most of the important knowledge, how to treat soil non invasive style was gathering as well.

      But we followed the maximum exhaustion trend, lemming style.

      • CTG says:

        Everytime I see this sentence, I fell off the chair… whether it is entry to a country or quarantine or whatever..

        “…..regardless of vaccination status….”

        Perhaps one can search the exact phrase on the internet.

        If this is becoming common over the next w weeks, then we are on to something….

    • The changes that needed to be made even in the 1970s would have been too great, as far as I can see.

      Every country in the world would have needed to cut way, way cut back on new births.

      We would have needed to decide not to increase foreign trade, I expect. I don’t think there is really a formula that would have worked.

      • CTG says:

        “The changes that needed to be made even in the 1970s would have been too great, as far as I can see.”

        If it is so difficult at that point of time, then it is totally impossible now…

        forget about de-growth or any fantasy fairyland type of ending.

        As FE says it well – face-ripper or CEP

      • Dennis L. says:

        Gail,

        I keep repeating, it is not the number of births, it is the distribution of age. Consumption by older individuals and use of health care is very high per capita; always the capita.

        Dennis L.

  34. CTG says:

    Nobody can explain why the vaccinated are more likely to get COVID and die

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/nobody-can-explain-why-the-vaccinated

    Good stuff. Again, like a broken record, I felt that things are really moving very fast now. Yes more people are awakened, it seems to me. Anyone care to comment?

    • Tim Groves says:

      I checked Steve’s Substack site a couple of weeks ago and it signed me up for emails without my consent. Also, I can’s see an “unsubscribe” button, so I will just have to put up with his once or twice daily newsletters until he gets too bored to keep making them.

      On the upside, I can understand why he’s doing this. We are in an information war and in war, coercion is the norm and truth is the first casualty. This is also a Manichean conflict and Steve is on the side of good against evil, so I’ll put up with the pushiness in a spirit of camaraderie, and even pass on some of his stuff to others.

      Whoever said this man was not an eloquent speaker was seriously misunderestimating him. These words of wisdom must resonate with Steve and with Gail too.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxnegxNEDAc

      Why the vaccinated are more likely to get COVID and die is because what is being identified as COVID in the vaccinated is more than likely to be VITAT (Vaccine-Induced This and That).

      For instance, the Astra Zeneca jab, known in the trade as ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, has been found to cause VITT (Vaccine-Induced Immune Thrombocytopenia and Thrombosis). Just trying to pronounce it can have devastating consequences for the larynx. So imagine having to experience it. Overall mortality from patients with VIT in one study was 22%.

      By the end of the study, approximately 16 million first doses of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 had been administered to persons 50 years of age or older, and 8 million first doses had been administered to persons younger than 50 years of age. Thus, the approximate incidence of VITT was at least 1:100,000 among patients 50 years of age or older and at least 1:50,000 among patients in the younger group (<50 years of age).

      https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2109908

      • This sounds like a clotting type problem associated with the Astra Zeneca vaccine. In the study you link, it says, “Overall mortality was 22%. ” This is a serious problem, if it is at all widespread.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Very odd that someone would get signed up without consent… I got a confirmation email when I signed up

          • Tim Groves says:

            I clicked on something to do with subscribing that led to a screen that asked me if I wanted to sign for a paid subscription or a free one. I decided not to subscribe at all and so I went back to the previous screen. But it seems that clicking the original subscription button was enough to get me on the list.

            I think Steve has what they used to call a “boiler room” operation going to get the subs numbers up.

        • Sam says:

          Could the clotting be related to how the vac%ine is given? No aspiration… Just saying its a possibility; don’t freak out because I’m not a fat eddy sycophant!

          • All is Dust says:

            I’m freaking out!

            Dr. John Campbell brings this up repeatedly. His hypothesis is that the metallic taste people get in their mouths immediately after injection is evidence that the serum has been injected into their blood stream. But this (to my knowledge) would not explain those side effects which develop after a week or so. I’m guessing someone out there has the answer, just not us plebs…

            Also, surely the muscle deltoid has blood supply which takes up the serum? Otherwise, how would the muscle acquire oxygen?

            Worth pursuing the mechanism of injury – but I would guess that it is so random and wide ranging that it will be a while before those taking the shots are informed (assuming of course they wish to be informed…)

            • postkey says:

              The last American vagabond :
              No aspiration! {Many nurses have been taught to aspirate before giving an IM injection to ensure the medication is not inadvertently delivered into a vein. Aspiration consists of drawing back on the plunger once the needle has been inserted to see if any blood returns into the syringe.}

              https://www.flemingmethod.com/select-videos

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Yes it is accelerating … I am sure Harry will be updating on the economic situation shortly — we can see the property collapse is imminent in China so surely if the CEP is real — it has to complete soon or BAU will unravel and we rip.

      I am thinking … Igor’s post is important then you couple it with the benign comments about this mutation … (assume the opposite)… and we may be on the precipice right now….

      Watch this mutation — if it spreads like wildfire and the deaths start piling up … the end game will be in play

      Keep in mind GVB has said there will likely be different mutations coming out of different countries.. each high vax state is a breeding ground…

      I will enjoy seeing the MOREONS shudder when they realize the vaccines do nothing to impede the disease — I will enjoy their FEAR. I will hunker down and while I can watch reports of them dying in the streets — being completely clueless that they caused their own deaths.

      • I can arouse you a bit in this pursuit of incoming fear fest avalanche..
        As reported earlier, the high horse pharmacist questioning loudly my “shopping list” had this specific [focused FEAR look] in her eyes, when she later that day attended collapsed not so elderly person on the ground in the hallway of that very same mall..

        or I’m just imagine things or CTG’s simulation playground captured me

        ps great thread otherwise

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Yes … yes…. btw a few weeks ago I had to go into town to pick up a new mouse… and outside the shop was a young man (maybe 20) who had collapsed and was being put onto a stretcher… he was a healthy looking fellow… wonder what happened there…

          It’s kinda like a … zombie apocalypse… it’s just normal for healthy people to collapse…. nothing to see here.

          • probably your appearance in mortal form eddy

            until then n you had been only a legend, something whispered in hushed tones

            then you manifested into reality, and he just couldn’t handle it

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I also bought a bag of Delete keys… mike is wearing them out

  35. Fast Eddy says:

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-god-that-failed

    The god that failed

    How to open the eyes of anyone who still thinks Covid vaccines are working as promised

    Or just show them this:

    https://i.postimg.cc/MKCGWc3b/Covid-vaccine-reports.jpg

    • Sam says:

      Look I agree with you!But come on clean it up! I think an unvaccinated 4 year could make that chart! Numbers matter…..I think I have a chart of sticking beets up your butt will make you immune to cov$$ I post it tomorrow for your pleasure.

      • Mike Roberts says:

        I would phrase it as “context matters” as well as numbers. The fact that COVID-19 vaccines have been given at an unprecedented rate (certainly over the lifetime of that chart) seems to go unnoticed.

        • define “unprecedented”

          I see no Maths in your comment – applying your rules for making comments… if you are going to make a proposition it must be backed up with a very precise (six sigma?) (accuracy also?) (do you know the difference between the two) statement of fact – none of this vague “unprecedented” stuff. How many orders of magnitude qualifies for “unprecedented” and is that base 2, 10 or HEX – lets be perfectly clear after all!

          Unfortunately unless you have inside information from Pfizer et al (they black out the # of vaccinations given for the time period covered by their analysis of adverse events) you cant do to the level that you espouse/imply is required; but we all know you will not stand for good faith estimates of getting at the number by other means

          you seemingly are here only to obfuscate – please go away unless you want to truly be respectful of others and attempt to slightly act in a way that indicates just the smallest of possibilities of exposure to the Golden Rule

    • Aravind says:

      And not even a nod from Alex to Arthur Koestler for the title? 🙂

  36. Fast Eddy says:

    There is a battle royal going on here… in one corner M Fast… in the other corner the mother of the two kids we sponsor who is insisting on injecting their 7 year old sister….

    My only input is to pass along the Maddie video with a message… do not ask for a dime if you go through with this and you need money to cover vax damage medical costs…

    The kid will need to study online if she is not vaxxed… we have offered to cover the cost of a tutor…

    Much ado about nothing because they are included in the CEP… but it’s entertaining… M Fast is quite worked up about this hahahaha… 10 out of 10 for the passion!!!

    I should video this and create a mini series hahaha….

  37. Fast Eddy says:

    We’ve got some rates in the local garbage rag…. I’ve just passed them this to see if they will run it:

    https://i.postimg.cc/MKCGWc3b/Covid-vaccine-reports.jpg

    Thanks for getting in touch with Otago Daily Times. My team have forwarded me your interest in putting a quarter page advert into an early position in our Queenstown community publication, Mountain Scene.

    Mountain Scene publishes highly respectable and award winning news every week – combined with our affluent, long term local readership – It’s a very effective advertising platform and a valuable reflection of your brand.

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    • 16,800 newspapers delivered to letterboxes, supermarkets, hotels, cafes and public places every Thursday
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    We base our rates on volume, the more weeks you advertise — the cheaper it is per week.

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    Early pages including the front page with Mountain Scene are very popular and the front page is booked out for the next 12 months. The best page position we can guarantee is the right hand page 5 position.
    Specified page requests come at a 10% premium.

    In your case, for one quarter page 10×7 advert in a guaranteed page 5 position would cost a total of $1,276 + gst

    • Garbage rag?
      Triple your fun leverage by planting an “easter egg” inside that advertisement.
      If you can work with some visual design software plant there some surprises on the edges or where ever..

      – it could be furnished with micro font text (prank) message ala “Dr. Fausti’s microbes forever! ” or “Pres. Brandon licks eternal flames” etc.

      ..
      .

    • The graph compares deaths and vaccines at the same date.

      The correlation could be explained if people hear about the deaths and decide to take the vaccines.

      If the deaths were directly from the vaccines, it would seem like there would need to be a lag in there for catching the virus, and then becoming ill and dying. Otherwise, I suppose, vaccines deaths misdiagnosed as COVID deaths might account for some of the deaths. They might come quite quickly.

      It is a strange association that seems to happen many places.

  38. Kurt says:

    Nope. End Times is complete collapse. That isn’t what is happening. This is a pullback. But there are still enormous amounts of energy and technology. We just need to get rid of a lot humans. It bothers you that I don’t comment that often, but I am always correct. Always. Still, your main points about decreasing energy are valid. But the extrapolation is a mistake and I have pointed that out many times. It is a chaotic dynamic system and predictions are interesting, but impossible. Listening FE? I thought not. You are always wrong.

    BAU tonight baby! Safe and warm in the Core.

    • Hey, Mr. allow for “petulant child” type of question:
      The need to get rid of a lot.. is performed haphazardly or somehow selectively in order to run said enormous amounts of energy and technology?

    • Perhaps we have different ideas of what should be called “end times.”

      We have reached a point in time where we cannot trust what we read in the papers. People in China have been having rolling blackouts. Europe is being warned about rolling blackouts, if not this winter, later winters. And we know that reinvestment in oil fields is not being done. Someone from the oil sands in Canada just wrote about that. The world financial system is increasingly shaky.

      The system is coming down, but we don’t know how fast. We know that past collapses have taken years. Perhaps my discussion of end times can help some people understand the situation better.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Hahahahaha!!! Look what Fast Eddy just wrote.

        BAU is falling down
        Falling down, falling down
        BAU is falling down
        My fair lady
        BAU is falling down
        Falling down, falling down
        BAU is falling down
        My fair lady

        Build it up with iron bars
        Iron bars, iron bars
        Build it up with iron bars
        My fair lady
        Build it up with iron bars
        Iron bars, iron bars
        Build it up with iron bars
        My fair lady

        Iron bars will bend and break
        Bend and break, bend and break
        Iron bars will bend and break
        My fair lady
        Iron bars will bend and break
        Bend and break, bend and break
        Iron bars will bend and break
        My fair lady

        Build it up with needles and pins,
        Needles and pins, needles and pins.
        Build it up with needles and pins,
        My fair lady
        Build it up with needles and pins,
        Needles and pins, needles and pins.
        Build it up with needles and pins,
        My fair lady

        Pins and needles rust and bend,
        Rust and bend, rust and bend.
        Pins and needles rust and bend,
        My fair lady
        Pins and needles rust and bend,
        Rust and bend, rust and bend.
        Pins and needles rust and bend,
        My fair lady

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I hereby announce — it is time for Pizza for Breakfast Lunch and Dinner.

        Let’s get a plug in for my favourite https://www.italianway.co.nz/gallery-1

        This is where Cassandra prepares to say … I told ya’ll so hahaha

    • Chris Martenson does a good job of explaining that high vaccination does not go with low number of cases. Mandatory vaccination doesn’t make sense in this context.

      • Sam says:

        I wonder if low vaccinations results in less cases….oh well we will never know….at least not in this life.

        • Bobby says:

          Indeed, why is there such a determined attempt to NOT have a control group? And therefore, how can we say the mandatory jabs are backed by science?

  39. Fast Eddy says:

    Nobody can explain why the vaccinated are more likely to get COVID and die

    The critics cannot dispute this. They can only offer hand-waving arguments with no actual data to support it.

    ICYMI, here’s a chart from a recent post by my good friend Mathew Crawford. It basically shows, the more you vaccinate, the more cases and deaths you get.

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/nobody-can-explain-why-the-vaccinated

    https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa58d719a-6971-4489-a069-1b712fa8b3ed_894x503.png

  40. Michael Le Merchant says:

    Oops, We’re Sorry!

    “WE are looking at the infection of all vaccinated individuals from HIV, Hepatitis B & C, Epstein Barr Virus, HPV, COVID, and Cancer. So far all those infected with Omicron were all vaccinated. Regardless what the media reports we suspect this is another HIV seroconversion episode or… the anhilation of mankind! Forty three percent of the planet has been vaccinated; 3.3 Billion people.”

    “The first case of Omicron infection was in Africa in a woman who was HIV positive, double vaccinated and infected with COVID-19 for 216 days. If our scientists are right, we will have a global AIDS pandemic as well!”

    “The original antigenic sin: When the body first encounters an infection it produces effective antibodies against its dominant antigens and thus eliminates the infection. But when it encounters the same infection, at a later evolved stage, with a new dominant antigen, with the original antigen now being recessive, the immune system will still produce the former antibodies against this old “now recessive antigen” and not develop new antibodies against the new dominant one, this results in the production of ineffective antibodies and thus a weak immunity.”

    “Omicron did not escape the vaccine… the vaccines destroyed both the innate and the adaptive immune systems so they can no longer detect pathogens. ”
    https://www.civilianintelligencenetwork.ca/2021/12/05/oops-were-sorry/

    • Mike Roberts says:

      Except that it seemed to evolve in a country, or region, with a low vaccination rate.

      • “The first case of Omicron infection was in Africa in a woman who was HIV positive, double vaccinated and infected with COVID-19 for 216 days.” It just takes one vaccinated person for this to happen.

      • Tim Groves says:

        You’re wrong there, Mike. Understandable, if you imbibe MSM propaganda like mother’s milk. But your claim is erroneous nonetheless.

        7b. Omicron Variant – genetics are older than and lineage does not connect back to Dec 2019 ‘wild’ type

        Finally, emergence of the Omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2 in Botswana in November of 2021 presents another post October 2019 falsification-level event. The Omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2 has alarmed many scientists due to the sheer number of genetic mutations it carries — 93 in all, including 32 in the spike protein alone, 16 silent, 27 nucleotide deletions, 1 nucleotide insertion, and at least 43 mutations that are unique to Omicron (see both left and right hand panels in Exhibit 7.6 below).16 17 In all, Omicron’s mutation set bears 29% nucleotide deletions, which is highly divergent as compared to the known SARS-CoV-2 phylogeny shown on the left side of Exhibit 7.6 below. This percentage of deletions (27 of 93) and amino acid mutations (50 of 93) both far exceed the number of much more likely silent-synonymous mutations (16 of 93). This suggests that the ‘deletions’ are rather actually ‘insertions’ which occurred in the lineage to the 2 Feb 2020 Alpha Variant Clade 20B. The terminology inversion stemming from an effort to stuff a 10 pound virus divergence into a 2 pound bag of posterity. We will treat these generically (conservatively) as INDELs (insertion-deletions) therefore in the genetic clock analysis later in this segment of Question #7.

        https://theethicalskeptic.com/2021/11/15/chinas-ccp-concealed-sars-cov-2-presence-in-china-as-far-back-as-march-2018/

        If you thought you may have had COVID-19 a year before the first cases were announced, well, maybe you did!

        • The linked article is very long. I didn’t get through all of it.

          The article seems to make a long list of assertions. There is so much that is different from what I have heard before that I found it difficult to believe.

        • Mike Roberts says:

          Hey, Tim, I may be wrong but how do you know the story you’ve lighted upon is right? Given its apparent infectiousness, it seems unlikely that Omicron was around before the “original” virus strain, otherwise it would have been the dominant variant long before now.

          I don’t believe everything I read in the MSM but I also don’t discard it all, as you seem to. Why do you feel it necessary to make up stories about my approach to the MSM? By all means show an alternative to some notion but don’t add garbage about others. You think the MSM narrative on Omicron is wrong. Fine. Leave it at showing the alternative, no need for the insults.

          • Tim Groves says:

            Sorry if that sounded harsh, but I didn’t think I was insulting you Mike. I thought I was being quite generous there. Remember, you do have a record of posting pro-government, pro-vax and pro-big-pharma opinions that is bound to prejudice anti-s like myself against you until you have one of those experiences like Saul had on the road to Damascus.

            Apart from that, you get the same degree of disapprobation that I give to relatives and friends who regurgitate (oh there, another pejorative in some people’s opinion), I mean repeat mass media talking points that have already been debunked by serious observers. I didn’t call you a troll or a shill or a bot or an eejet or even as gullible.

            Glad to read that you don’t believe all you read in the MSM. That’s a good start.

            I’ll talk more about Omicron when I am more sure of what it is. At the moment, all I know for sure is it’s another piece of fear-porn from the people who are intent destroying our way of life and slashing the population of eaters who are no longer useful to them.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              mike invites insults on himself…. he can’t help it.

              It’s to the point where whenever anyone sees an alert from mike in their email — they say to themselves… what rubbish has mike posted now….

            • self delusion is a generous benefactor eddy

            • Mike Roberts says:

              Well, Tim, I guess you did include “if” as part of “Understandable, if you imbibe MSM propaganda like mother’s milk” but I’m sure you meant to ridicule me. If what you write can stand on its own merits, there is no need for ridicule. I’m quite happy to find out when I’m wrong. Sadly, the article you pointed to didn’t do anything (that I saw) to counter my supposition that the variant arose in a lowly vaccinated country. Indeed, the article wrote that it arose in Botswana, regardless of its heritage.

              It’s not a start for me to not believe everything I read in the MSM. That has been my position for decades. It doesn’t signal the start of anything, it signals that I am keen on finding out the truth of situations (at least when they might affect me or are otherwise of interest).

              I also don’t have a record of posting pro-government, pro-vax and pro-big pharma opinions. What I will post is information that helps get at the truth. Just saying anything governments or big businesses put out is nonsense doesn’t help with that.

              You say you’ll post more about Omicron when you are more sure of what it is but you’re still happy to conclude right now that it is fear-porn from people who are intent on destroying your way of life. Is that conclusion likely to change when you find out more about it?

        • Mike Roberts says:

          Sorry, Tim. I was a bit hasty with the first bit of my reply. It appears that the article you link was not claiming Omicron emerged before the original strain but that it may have evolved from the original strain or even from a predecessor. In any case, it did say that the variant emerged in Botswana in November. That is a low vaccinated country. Or is it claiming that the variant didn’t evolve but was engineered and released?

  41. Student says:

    Omicron appears more contagious, but less dangerous than other variants
    A possible scenario is that Omicron makes the coronavirus less scary.
    But let’s go on to vaccinate the entire world and make it mandatory too!

    https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/could-omicron-mean-that-covid-is-becoming-more-similar-to-the-flu-687924

    • Mike Roberts says:

      Fingers crossed. It’s early days but if hospitals can avoid being overwhelmed then Omicron will be a welcome variant. And vaccination may not be needed. But it is early days.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Hahahahha…. Remember the good old days when we were told two jabs and this would be over

        hahahahahahahahaha … keep going mike … let’s all throw $100 bucks in a virtual pot — and we choose who dies first you norm or dunc….

    • Fast Eddy says:

      And if we stop giving people those full courses of antibiotics… bacterial infections would all become so much milder 🙂

      • nikoB says:

        FE that is not really a valid comparison.
        If OMG variant is less lethal and more infectious we have to sit back and watch what it does through the population. For the unvaxxed and uninfected, it might be the best one to catch to create your immunity response and for the vaxxed well time will tell. It could be that OAS causes a big issue, it could also be that new full spectrum immune response is produced. However given the data from the UK it does not look as though the vaxxed produce N antibodies. Time will tell. This hopefully will put the pandemic to rest and we can all get back to our previous lives that were and still are collapsing from resource depletion.

        • Lets rest now – hopefully?

          The Kunstleriat has a bit darker and likely correct vision though:
          (aka why aborting this smack-down in progress)

          “Jarek December 5, 2021 at 12:41 pm #
          Why wouldn’t or couldn’t it be? Imagine going up against a chess master. You have a few of strategies in mind – they have hundreds. Which one will they use? It all depends on which one of your paltry store you choose. If you open yourself up, overextend yourself, or respond poorly to their initial thrust, they’ll end it right there. Why would they wait?

          The longer they wait, the more their world and its resources are depleted.”

        • Fast Eddy says:

          You will need to take that up with Bossche. https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=360

  42. Student says:

    Life of an Italian citizen is now defined in this chart made directly by the government.
    Here a person can find what is allowed to do or not to do, according to his vaccinated status, negative nasal swab or recovered from Covid status.
    For those who don’t know, the new cartoon definition of ‘super-green-pass’ is strictly about people vaccinated or recovered from Covid (and it even includes people vaccinated 9 months ago), while the normal ‘green-pass’ definition includes the sub-category of pariah people who can only show a negative nasal swab (only 48 hours valid).
    Of course this segregation is not supported by Science, but still they impose it.
    If this is not apartheid in a totalitarian State, what would ever be?
    Our new religion is ‘fake epidemiology’, but still we dare to criticize Iran, Afghanistan, North Corea, China or other Countries for the way we say they treat their people.

    https://www.governo.it/sites/governo.it/files/documenti/documenti/Notizie-allegati/tabella_attivita_consentite.pdf

    • (South African here). It’s apartheid allright, but much worse than the apartheid of South Africa where people were segregated by ethnicity in terms of accessing services and public spaces, but they were not completely blocked from accessing them. People were segregated in terms of where they could live and work, but not blocked outright from working or confined to their homes. There was also a state of emergency during certain time periods, so curfews were in place, but it was during the Cold War and the country was facing numerous external and internal security threats (also bearing in mind S.A. was an artificially created country where 10 nations were forced to live together through British Empire building in the region).

      Different context all-together and even so, that apartheid was not nearly as restrictive as these measures now being implemented by many nations who, ironically, funded and supported the anti-apartheid movement against South Africa during the 80’s and 90’s. I guess the upside in all of this – as bad as it is – is that we are not the ‘bad guys’ anymore. Although in South Africa today these mandates are also being implemented slowly but surely, but we are a bit behind Europe – so this is the ‘cherry on the cake’ – for us not being the ‘bad guys’ anymore (remember how the whole world vilified white South Africans?), because South Africa is currently governed by the same political party that fought against the old apartheid in South Africa, now implementing medical-apartheid. What a Topsy-turvy world! Who would have though that reality could be turned on its head to such an extent? (If these are not the end times, then I don’t know what is.)

      • Interesting, but disturbing, point.

        When there isn’t enough to go around, there seems to be a need to somehow divide into groups, with the unfavored group(s) getting less.

        • I think what you are describing is within the nature of humans who are at a base level tribal and ethnocentric, so in times of scarcity they revert to their baser instincts. The reality is that humans are competitive and groups will always favor their own people over others (outsiders).

          We can even see that in the identity politics of modern developed first world nations during times of abundance. Nevertheless, multiculturalism can work, to an extent (but only for limited time periods it would seem) in modern democracies.

          So that writer I quoted before, I think is spot-on when he says: ” Social capital is of great importance. Populations that have cohesive populations with good behavior will naturally fare better. Multicultural or homogeneous will have a risk factor. In those places where a healthy consumption allows multicultural stability there will be problems when affluence drops.”

          In the case of apartheid-South Africa, even though there was segregation it was a time of strong economic growth and rising affluence for all classes during Apartheid, with major infrastructure development and industrialization with the quality of life for Africans in South Africa rising to the highest level on the continent (not many people are aware of this, which is why I mention it). That said, the Europeans in South Africa, both under British colonial rule and under Afrikaner nationalism favoured Europeans first – ethnocentrism at work – and the Africans currently in charge are doing the same. A lot of what apartheid in SA was really about is unknown, but this article is worth bookmarking/saving for insights and context:
          http://thesaker.is/apartheid-vs-apartheid-in-the-time-of-wokeness/

          This new type apartheid is happening at the start of an age of overall decline … doubtful it would lead to any cohesion (to express the obvious).

      • Mike Roberts says:

        Segregation on the basis of something a person can’t control is unconscionable, disgusting. However, the unvaccinated do have a choice. I don’t support such separation, but it is not apartheid.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Hahaha… ya we have a choice … we can choose to be MOREONS like the vaxxed and risk our lives for absolutely nothing…

          Sorry mike but for some people utter stooopity … ain’t an option

          But you were born a MOREON… so it’s easy for you … you don’t even have to try

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Another comment for the MOREON Hall of Fame:

          Segregation on the basis of something a person can’t control is unconscionable, disgusting. However, the unvaccinated do have a choice. I don’t support such separation, but it is not apartheid.

          keep going mike — you are a true super star… I suspect your brain must has been deprived of oxygen at some point in your life…

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I really hope Omicron is it… I really do… when it waltzes right past your vaxx and takes you down mike.. you remember this post … you remember that you participated in the development of this demon that is coming

        • Your comment makes no sense – the unvaccinated are having their freedoms simply removed and are being blocked from access to services and spaces (public and private) on the basis of refusing e medical intervention linked to a pass-system that would restrict and control movement – how is that no segregation/apartheid? Segregation and apartheid means separating people forcefully trough state interventions (i.e. mandates, laws, regulations, etc). That;s what’s happening now, world-wide with few exceptions. It’s global apartheid. I would say it’s unconscionable to argue otherwise.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Hey mike… the blacks in South Africa had a choice … they could have been born white.

            Get it? Of course you do

            • I wouldn’t get too smug about apartheid in South Africa if I were you:

              “It is often stated that Afrikaner leaders were the architects of Apartheid, but
              about 80% of the segregation laws for the Apartheid policy were already in place
              (in some form or another) before Apartheid was created. Those foundational segregation laws were promulgated by the Dutch and British colonial powers prior to the Afrikaners coming into power in 1948”
              – (In other words they remained in place under British colonial rule between the years 1910 when the Union of South Africa was created, and 1948 when the Afrikaners [Boers] came into power – although that part always conveniently omitted by commentators from the Anglo-spere, whitewashing it out).

              “They decided to continue on with the segregation policies already put in place. At that time forms of segregation were also still in place in several other nations, such as USA, Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
              The new objective with segregation (now called Apartheid) was for the devolution of the already existing traditional ethnic tribal Homelands into autonomous self-ruling ‘state-lets’ within greater South Africa. This devolution and self-rule would then pave the way for complete independence for each of
              the Homelands. In the interim, and even after independence, economic support would be available from the Apartheid state”

              Further reading with resources here – with addional context in the comments:
              http://thesaker.is/apartheid-vs-apartheid-in-the-time-of-wokeness/

              On the note on not being able to choose one’s skin colour or caste … I don’t see much uproar from liberals about the caste system in India still in place to this very day. Not being able to choose the class you are born into in India is no different from not being able to choose the skin you are born with in South Africa today, where:
              “Today there are more race-based laws in South Africa that discriminate
              against white people after 27 years of democracy than there were under
              48 years of Apartheid and 38 years of British colonialism combined:” (see resources linked above).

              I don’t see any bleeding heart liberals crying about that either. You see, ‘apartheid’ or segregation is only a problem sometimes. For libs – it all depends on the season …

              Mike Roberts, for example, is now openly arguing that medical apartheid is really apartheid. Typical.

            • Correction: Mike Roberts, for example, is now openly arguing that medical apartheid is NOT really apartheid …

          • Mike Roberts says:

            It’s not apartheid because those people can choose to be included in those freedoms. It’s up to them. Indeed, in New Zealand, for example, more and more people are choosing to get vaccinated and join in those freedoms. With skin colour or ethnicity, there is no choice (contrary to what Fast Eddy believes).

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Yes mike… it’s all about choice… Fast Eddy can choose to be injected with poison garbage risking his life so he can go to the pie shop… or HE can tell Donkey Face to Go F789 Herself and stick her vaccine up her arse…

              And if she gets ornery and tries to force Fast Eddy will get on a jet and blow off this popsicle stand.. and if that becomes not an option … then FE will completely unhinge… and the door will fall off.

              But not everyone has the options that FE has… my mate who didn’t have those options is in the clinic right now trying to work out what to do about his inability to walk from his bedroom to the kitchen without being gassed.

              I do wish the worst to you with your boosters mike … I will laugh if you show up on OFW slobbering and blubbering because you’ve wrecked yourself… and if you disappear we’ll assume you got the live chamber… and believe you me — there will be flowers …. there will only be good riddance…

              And of course we’ll have a laugh because you made the wrong choice hahahhahaha…

              Vermin.

            • Let me explain this to you Mike Roberts: Apartheid means segregation, segregation means separation (if in doubt, consult a dictionary). Racial segregation and ethnic apartheid are based on separation regarding ethnicity and/or skin color. Religious segregation and apartheid are based on the separation of groups on that basis, for example Sunni/Shia divide in the Middle East, Protestant/Catholic divide in Norther Ireland and also the well-known religious divide between Israel & Palestine – these are all forms of apartheid/segregation.

              MEDICAL apartheid is what is currently being implemented: it is the segregation of groups of people on the basis of those who accept an experimental medical intervention and those who are unwilling to accept it – this latter group is literally having their rights and freedoms taken away on the basis that they won’t comply. In other words, they don’t have equal rights anymore. That fact that you are trying to justify something so obviously a human rights abuse says a lot.

              You can jump up and down all you like an try to rationalize that ‘it’s not apartheid’. It is. There are different types of apartheid and this is medical apartheid.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I wonder if we hired a Voodoo Master and had him stick pins in mike norm dunc might this translate into vaccine injuries?

              I was just saying to my mate the hockey guy … who until Friday and that jab was forced on him .. and who was given some Panadol by the doctor yesterday and told that ‘he’s fine’ even though he can barely walk 50m without being breathless… that I wish this could happen to the MOREONS who are addicted to the clot shots… instead of someone who is only taking the shot because otherwise they will be fired from work

              Let’s be blunt – Fast Eddy hopes that anna mike norm and dunc… are eventually injured by one of these boosters… not killed… only injured. Fast Eddy wants you alive and kicking … so HE can ridicule you.

            • As idiotic as these morons are in pushing their death-shots I don’t personally wish death upon them, but I understand where you are coming from… – you can call me soft .. LOL

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I actually prefer that they get maimed…

              Check this video out https://www.foxnews.com/media/ohio-woman-daughter-covid-vaccine-reaction-wheelchair

              If she had died… we’d not be able to enjoy watching the mother suffer like that.

            • how did Anna get into our triumvirate?

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Why are young healthy people being injected?

    • Ed says:

      that is complex

      • Student says:

        It is complex in order to make it simple:
        subscribe yourself to the new experimental, semi-annual and perennial vaccination system and you’ll be free!

    • Lidia17 says:

      Student, thank you very much for sharing this. What is the degree of adhesion to this in your area? Are you northern, central, southern? Are these strictures consistent in your daily life?

      I feel as though Italians have been masters at creating baroque labyrinths precisely in order that they be impossible to navigate and thus be widely ignored or skirted in equally-baroque ways. So, in an odd way, the complexity gives me hope (although I am sadly aware they are subject to the globalists and not acting spontaneously or autonomously).

      • Student says:

        Hello Lidia17, this time the plan has been set in a very clever way.
        The problem is mainly that Italy is a big Country with a huge debt, but the country does not have anymore its own currency.
        We depend by the money ‘created’ at Bruxelles.
        Furthermore we have completely given outside our debt in comparison to Japan whose debt is mainly property of Japanese people.
        Therefore now every Mayor, President of Region, Member of the Parliament or of the Government needs to obey in order to receive money.
        Therefore if some protected area can still exist (like a sort of ‘Roman catacombs), basically a person is almost excluded by society, above all from its own work.
        At the moment we are in a Totalitarian State which follows the new ideology that we can define ‘fake epidemiology’.
        This new ideology has perfectly converted energy problems with fake health problems and people believe that.
        As Brenno said when he sacked Rome: ‘vae victis’ (all the worst to the defeated)
        https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vae_victis

    • Good luck in dealing with this strange system.

  43. Foolish Fitz says:

    CTG remember that if it gains any traction on social media it instantly gets tagged with “unsafe link”.
    Yes, the AHA will be banished to conspiracy land until they get with the narrative.

    https://twitter.com/NancyTracker/status/1466772350825816072?s=20

    • Foolish Fitz says:

      That was a reply to CTGs reply to jj, top of the page before last.
      WP weaves it’s way as it chooses.

      • CTG says:

        Thanks….. The fact that media is controlled, I am more inclined to believe in CEP than world domination

  44. Mirror on the wall says:

    I have seen no commentary on this bill, but its implications are extreme. The Tories are passing legislation so that they can strip anyone of British citizenship without notice, if it is ‘in the public interest’, which is ill-defined, flexible and basically whenever it suits them. The state typically uses that clause to single out any unapproved dissent for exposure, including critics of immigration.

    At the moment this legislation seems to apply only to immigrants – and their descendants – but in principle it could be extended to anyone. About 40% of kids are already of an immigrant background and that is likely only to rise further, so already a huge chunk of the younger population can be stripped of citizenship without any notice or appeal, and soon it will be the bulk of the population.

    The silence about this is as worrying as the bill itself, and it seems obvious why there is no concern – because it seems to only apply to immigrants and their descendent, and some will no doubt welcome it. But, what goes around tends to ‘come around’. If citizenship is a ‘privilege’ and not a ‘right’, as the Tories are now saying, then ultimately you have no ‘rights’. In reality it is neither one nor the other, it is whatever the society chooses it to be.

    The precedent has been set. It would simple for the state to extend it to everyone, simply citing ‘racism’. If the principle has been accepted that citizenship is a ‘privilege’ and not a ‘right’, then logically it applies universally to all without discrimination, which is presumably where the trend is headed. I suspect that the public approval for this bill is very ‘short sighted’. Do we really want Tories to be able to strip citizens of their citizenship?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/17/new-bill-quietly-gives-powers-to-remove-british-citizenship-without-notice

    > New bill quietly gives powers to remove British citizenship without notice

    Individuals could be stripped of their British citizenship without warning under a proposed rule change quietly added to the nationality and borders bill.

    Clause 9 – “Notice of decision to deprive a person of citizenship” – of the bill, which was updated earlier this month, exempts the government from having to give notice if it is not “reasonably practicable” to do so, or in the interests of national security, diplomatic relations or otherwise in the public interest.

    Frances Webber, the vice-chair of the Institute of Race Relations, said: “This amendment sends the message that certain citizens, despite being born and brought up in the UK and having no other home, remain migrants in this country. Their citizenship, and therefore all their rights, are precarious and contingent.

    “It builds on previous measures to strip British-born dual nationals (who are mostly from ethnic minorities) of citizenship and to do it while they are abroad, measures used mainly against British Muslims. It unapologetically flouts international human rights obligations and basic norms of fairness.”

    Home Office powers to strip British nationals of their citizenship were introduced after the 2005 London bombings but their use increased under Theresa May’s tenure as home secretary from 2010, and they were broadened in 2014.

    The requirement to give notice had already been weakened in 2018, allowing the Home Office to serve notice by putting a copy of it on a person’s file – but only in cases where their whereabouts were unknown.

    The new clause would remove the need for notification altogether in a range of circumstances. It would also appear to be capable of being applied retrospectively to cases where an individual was stripped of citizenship without notice before the clause became law, raising questions about their ability to appeal.

    Maya Foa, the director of Reprieve, said: “This clause would give Priti Patel unprecedented power to remove your citizenship in secret, without even having to tell you, and effectively deny you an appeal. Under this regime, a person accused of speeding would be afforded more rights than someone at risk of being deprived of their British nationality. This once again shows how little regard this government has for the rule of law….

    • Ed says:

      Where do they get deported to? Australia?

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        That is a good point, there are analogues with a long history, like the ‘transportation’ of petty criminals, often simply the poor, to colonies like Australia and USA – for the commercial advantage of the colonial bourgeoisie. They could theoretically return after a period, but generally they could not afford to do so. The colonies were British though, so citizenship does not seem to have been revoked, but it was effectively deportation and to be commercially exploited.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_transportation#Women_and_children

        The new legislation opens up all sorts of possibilities for the capitalist state to exploit in the future, especially as economic conditions change. We may assume that the ‘transportations’ were a thing of the past, but are they? The British State operated slave islands for several centuries in the Caribbean – so absolutely nothing can be put passed it.

    • Bobby says:

      Goodness that is not a terribly nice move for those who have immigrated, paid for it, and worked in the UK for a significant part of their life. Imagine that, right before you retire. (Sarcasm intended without offence)

      There are significant numbers of British nationals working in New Zealand, often in quite key positions within the public sector. If their incomes can not be taxed from abroad and they are not contributing to the UK, perhaps this is an intended limit and test of their loyalty. Maybe even a broader move to restrict international opportunities therefore cut down international travel and the burning of FF?

      Duel nationals often get the best of both worlds when working abroad, I was always under the impression they paid for this in immigration fees.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        The concept of ‘usefulness to society’ as the foundation of ‘rights’ may be a more popular view among the ‘respectable’ than we might suppose. It is implicit in the property and wage system, and in concepts of ‘deserve’ generally; and there is a ‘practical’ side to it.

        Fossil fuels have given industrial societies a lot of ‘slack’ to not press points. Different economic conditions are liable to bring different ideas to the fore. The feudal idea was ‘fiefdom’, service in return for protection rather than ‘rights’. The concept of ‘rights’ seems to be giving way already.

        George Bernard Shaw recorded a view of ‘usefulness to society’, which was the bourgeois basis of ‘eugenics’ in 19th and 20th c. Britain. He was a member of the Fabian Society, which campaigned for eugenics – as did Tories like Churchill, who wanted to set up concentration camps in Britain for hundreds of thousands of ‘weak minded’.

        • Kowalainen says:

          The tragedy isn’t the ‘weak’ minded but rather the generic herd member awaiting further instructions without much of curiosity going on.

          Remove the puppeteer(s) and watch them panic, collapse and ultimately chaos.

          The ‘usefulness’ metric is in constant contraction as automation and computerization progresses.

          However; this is an unfortunate side effect of developing the controllable herd in the first place. Allowing for less conformism and more liberty enables expressions of uniqueness.

          Simply put; people want to ‘fit in’ and will do whatever it takes to gain acceptance, social status and monies even if it makes them virtually useless. After all; we are primates.

          I would think that with increased resiliency through, perhaps a corepheriphery topology, some of the issues could be overcome for the stifled and productive in the making.

          One simple step would be to remove taxation on repair shops and from home manufacturing of (finished) durable goods.

    • Slow Paul says:

      Life imitating art… There’s a video game depicting this exact scenario in a very tongue-in-cheek way.

      “Not Tonight takes place primarily in England, which increasingly falls under the control of the nativist Albion First party and Prime Minister Simon Tavener. Taking advantage of social upheaval following a post-Brexit economic crisis, the British government has stripped citizenship from all Britons found to have ancestors from EU countries, relocating them to slum-like housing blocks in preparation for mass deportations.”

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Tonight_(video_game)

    • Is this mostly expected to be applied to naturalized citizens, who, in theory might go back to their country of origin?

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        That is a good question, and the Guardian seems to say that it applies also to their children who were born here – who do not necessarily have an automatically right to any other citizenship. Indeed, some countries do not allow dual citizenship, and Spain, for example, does not allow both Spanish and British citizenship. Details are scant and I will post them when I get some more.

        • Mike Roberts says:

          Although the British Nationality Act, which this bill is modifying, already provides the ability for the state to rescind citizenship, it’s very worrying, not only that it can be done at all, but that it could be done without even notifying the citizen that it’s being done and that it can be done in retrospect. This bill says that the rule to give notice, “does not apply if it appears to the Secretary of State that …”. So the Secretary of State just has to pretend that such conditions appeared to have been met.

          To governments, people are not really people any more, they are just objects to be moved about on a game board, or tossed into the garbage, if one gets sick of looking at them.

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            The normal thing for a society to do is to punish its criminals. The Tories seem to have taken the opportunity of ‘terror attacks’ to create a two-tier citizenship, where all those descended from immigrants can have their citizenship revoked. That seems to be a very odd move.

            On the one hand, they have created an ‘anti-racist’ society, and on the other they have made themselves open to very same charge. Electorally that is liable to be a costly mistake, given time. Labour will almost certainly revoke this legislation the next time that it forms a government.

            The Tories would like to have a society in which all citizens have no rights, and this seems to be a step toward that. With all ethnic groups bar Afro-Caribbeans outperforming native Brits in the schools, it is the latter that are liable to ultimately suffer the most from such a society.

  45. Sam says:

    Gail ,you say that oil needs to be $120 a barrel to continue but that will break economies. I think of it like I am making $40 but my expenses are $80 per hour….I can do it for a short time canabilizing everything I have, not making any more investments.but eventually I will run out of room and do something else….

    Oil has been below that threshold for a long, long time…..how are they still increasing production and opening new wells etc….? Could it be that tbtb now the oil conundrum as well and they have secret passages rooms that we don’t know about? I mean they can buy up debt of oil companies and give free money etc to the oil companies. Nothing would surprise me…..A lot of Fords profits have been in its lending arm….if I can get a million dollars for free and lend it out at 3 or 4 percent I think I would be doing pretty good. I wonder if we look at all this Financial numbers as if they are transparent. I don’t think it is…….

    • JonF says:

      Sam, you could look at Government debt to GDP for the OPEC countries over time and compare it to oil price over time.

      For example, in Saudi, govt debt to GDP is expected to hit 34% this year while back in 2014 when oil was around $100/barrel, debt/GDP was around 2%.

      Not perfect but, the interplay between oil prices and government debt will give you a sense of the price at which debt expands to pay the bills….

  46. Gerard+d'Olivat says:

    …. “We are not used to living in a world where very little that is published by the Mainstream Media makes sense. But when we live in a time when no one wants to hear what is true, the system changes in a bizarre way so that much that is published is false….”

    Those are big words Gail and they put a big responsibility on your shoulders.
    For it means that you will have to become the censor yourself of what is posted on your site as “truth” or “fake.

    If you don’t do that then it weakens your idea of your site being a platform where the ‘counter publicity’ would be an important ‘truth’ stage.
    But then again how do you distinguish what is ‘fake news’ and what contributes to a ‘functioning publicness’?

    Do you have any idea about that or do you conveniently leave that up to the ‘site inhabitants’ who perhaps parrot everything from their ‘echo pit’ consciousness simply because they are against the MSM?

    The extended quote from Attali, for example, is such a fashionable fake news item…. Endlessly refuted as total ‘nonsense’

    However, you post it without question. How is that possible?

    • Student says:

      Dear Mr. Gerard, I’m sorry to say that your messages are always full of acrimony, anger and provocation, while the spirit of this blob normally is to bring news and considerations about the existence of ever expanding human settlements on a finite world and discuss about that.
      Being a complex subject, of course, news and considerations include a wide variety of issues.
      But, on the contrary, it is as if you would like Gail to say something different from what she says.
      I make a question that you don’t need to answer me and I make it just to help you to find a way to be happier: are you sure that this is the blog for you?
      All the best.

      • Mr. Gerard is perhaps perplexed to the bone from the mere existence of “free speech” zone sanctuary under this blog..

        For one thing, it’s understandable as euromedia domain (assuming) be it print, radio, tv and net, has been such a cesspool of hard propaganda and omission for many decades already. Hence the consumers out of that cage feel somewhat lost here.

        • Tim Groves says:

          He’s French. Don’t they have a rather different sense of concepts such as liberty, justice and personal responsibility from the Anglo-Saxons?

          Sorry, this is a more of a comparative culture question. Along the lines of why is French cuisine so complex while Italian is so simple and yet tastier while German is also simpler and yet more bland, and English is hardly cuisine at all, and Scottish is more fit for horses, at least according to Dr. Johnson? And I don’t have the answers to it.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      We’ve got the clown brigade keeping us informed of the MSM lies on OFW.. mike is leading the way. There is no danger of this becoming an echo chamber

    • Lidia17 says:

      It is not possible for the provider of a forum to be responsible for every word spoken therein. Have you never come across the disclaimer, “the opinions expressed by [commenters] on [OFW] do not necessarily reflect the views of [OFW]”?

      Possibly not because, in Europe, freedom of speech and opinion, doesn’t seem to be either a popular or a legal concept. In Italy, one cannot even publish a parish newsletter without the imprimatur of a state-sanctioned member of the Journalists’ Guild. All the newspapers are state-subsidized, as are the political parties. One can say this is also true in the US, behind the scenes, but here at least we do have a few places, like Gail’s joint, that escape—however temporarily—Big Brother’s overt or covert red pen.

      At the grand-opening party for a small local tourist-and-arts publication in our former Italian town of residence, I asked a communist fellow why it was that they had to have a registered journalist from Rome underwrite the effort. He looked at me as though I were an idiot, and said, “Because otherwise there’d be no CONTROL!” Duh!

      Gerard, perhaps instead of complaining, and concern trolling worrying inordinately about Gail’s reputation, you should instead consider yourself fortunate that the US is not Europe, and that Gail publishes your own comments here without restriction.

      It never ceases to amaze me how otherwise-intelligent people can so easily jump onto a “wrongthink” bandwagon. Have years of socialism rotted their brains, or are they genetically-selected.. free-thinkers having moved abroad over successive centuries?

      To any normal person, I would think it obvious that Gail is responsible for what Gail writes, and that commenters are responsible for what they write. It’s extremely simple, although challenging and confounding to the statist mind, it would seem.

      Just imagine you are at a party: is the host responsible for everything said by everyone at the party? What a horrible way to imagine living.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Gerard,

      Making sense is a personal thing. Very little that is published by the Mainstream Media makes sense to people like “us” but it may make perfectly good sense to other people.

      “Much that is published is false”: This much is true and demonstrably so.

      If a blog operator becomes responsible for the veracity of any and all comments made on said blog, then it becomes impractical to have comments, and most commenters will have to start running their own blogs if they want to voice their opinions online. Perhaps this is what the media controllers would like to happen, as independent blogs represent a threat to the nonsensus. But I think that would be a shame, as it would cut out a lot of interaction.

      • Mike Roberts says:

        “Much that is published is false”: This much is true and demonstrably so.

        Define “much”, Tim, and please demonstrate it.

        I know a lot is garbage and I’ve abandoned many MSM outlets in my time, as a result, but I’d like to know just how much of MSM is true and how does one know what that is.

        Blogs generally are just opinions, though some do provide links, often to stories in MSM. I find some argue their case better than others but they have periodic changes in how good or poor the arguments are.

        • Hey Mike

          Perhaps you can define “garbage” and please demonstrate it
          (ya know is it rubbish with clean edges?? or that really slimy organic laden almost ya know Sh*t like stuff that kinda smells like you write??)”

          after that please also clarify “generally” because I want to ignore your real point and just be as big of an ass as you tend to be.

          After that I see that you use “some” not once but twice – are those the same “some”s or are they different and, finally, how does your “often” compare to your “periodic”. Those last two just leave total doubt in my mind as what you are trying to convey

          Oh yeah I dont really want to understand what you are trying to convey – Im just assuming your modus operandi – nitpicking silly inconsequential phrasing so as to act all superior and take away from anything that you may actually be trying to convey

          Yah know just to act in bad faith and all – no biggy

          • Halfvard says:

            Nailed it.

            Also really liked your other posts that show you understand how important diet is and how much of a $cam medicine has been for decades. That was actually the first thing that made me realize The Narrative is largely horsesh*t before I got into collapse stuff and peak oil.

          • Mike Roberts says:

            Tim said “Much that is published is false”: This much is true and demonstrably so.” If it was demonstrably so, it should be able to be demonstrated. Do you not think so? If Tim could demonstrate it, then he’d have to implicitly or explicitly define “much”. It may mean 20% of articles, it may mean 50% of articles. I don’t know because Tim didn’t say. I’m not asking for a specific number but just trying to understand roughly the magnitude of the issue. Alternatively, he could be saying much of what MSM publishes is true. It’s hard to tell from what he wrote.

            Do you have any insights?

            “Generally” means “typically” in that it is usually the case (i.e. far more often than not).

        • Tim Groves says:

          “I know a lot is garbage and I’ve abandoned many MSM outlets in my time”

          Much means a lot, falsity is a variety of garbage, and it seems you have demonstrated the latter to your own satisfaction, Mike.

          As for what is true, that calls for a song!

          • Mike Roberts says:

            Thanks, Tim. So, “a lot” means it’s not unusual to find out that an article is packed with untruths. Conversely, though, a lot must also be true. But you demonstrated nothing. So was “demonstrably so” just a throwaway phrase? Just trying to get to the root of what you think of the MSM. Do you read any of it?

            • Geez Mike – you just don’t get it

              Hopeless

              If he ain’t a bot he is certainly no different from one and should be treated as such-He is simply here to waste our time or be a burr under our saddle- bad faith all around

              Perfect example of belief in one set of rules for treatment of othersbut not self; but ok for Mike to violate/not follow same standards he puts on others

            • Fast Eddy says:

              mike makes a bigger fool of himself with every utterance on OFW….. it’s a symptom of a disease that is incurable….

              And the booster shots will make it worse

            • Replenish says:

              Mike, its my opinion that in desperation people resort to sensational sources and low hanging fruit to make an argument. Some of this content is produced in error other times it is a form of planted disinfirmation. Often the mixed message or bad info is a form of agitaton propaganda meant to provoke a reaction or as a weaker form of a reasonable argument that can be attacked to discredit.

              While endlessly extracting value and shifting blame, the central planners have poured huge amounts of resources into funding think tanks, scripted drills, research and development, marketing campaigns, influencers, public service announcenents and clearly placed key officials in positions of power (WEF Young Leaders). Despite revealing the methods through popular media, the MSM and intelligence leaks people are eating up the propaganda while being used as prisoner guards in the New Normal panopticon.

              You can point out mockingbird style targetted ad campaigns and the FBI’s Cointelpro for historical context and people just refuse to connect the dots. You could warn about vaccine passports and compulsory vaccination as one of the explicit goals even before mRNA trials began, the history of gain of function research and digital transformation as a move towards technocratic reductionist authoritarianism.. it all falls in their lap and most people will parrot “they were preparing and just trying to protect people” and blame you for not complying, lol.

              None of us are immune from propaganda. We are not robots though I’ve met some bots and programmed individuals that helped me immensely. Thanks for reading!

    • machival66 says:

      Well said, Gerard. If you read the comments of the posys it is very easy to see that there is an echo chamber here, and critical thinking is very low. Most doomers adhere to dogma. Look up confirmation bias. Confirmation bias is something that I suspect Gail Tverberg suffers from, too. She looks only at data that supports her narrative of doom and gloom while ignoring that the world is richer than ever. Everything is at record levels, wealth has never been so abundant in tge history of mankind. The only problem is distribution, not supply. This is what these people fail to grasp.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Cornucopian – Wikipedia

        Search domain en.wikipedia.orghttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Cornucopian

        A cornucopian is a futurist who believes that continued progress and provision of material items for mankind can be met by similarly continued advances in technology. Fundamentally they believe that there are enough matter and energy on the Earth to provide for the population of the world. Looking further into the future, they posit that the abundance of matter and energy in space would appear …

        In other words… a Hyper MOREON. A DelusiSTANI. A special needs IM-becile… Dunc(e)… and without a doubt … a Big Fan of Covid Booster Shots…

      • “.. Failure of the Futurists..” quote attributed to von_Kunstler,
        posthumous archbishop the Order of all things collapsible

        /as to be narrated to mutant students under the bridge cca 2054AD

      • Minority of One says:

        “The only problem is distribution, not supply. ”

        You are taking the mickey, right?

  47. Ed says:

    If the government forces people to fight in its war against covid then those who serve and are damaged or killed deserve the same benefits as soldier forced to serve and risk death or life long disability.

    It does not matter that pharma is shielded by the politicians the government must support the families left without bread winners, must support those maimed for life in order to protect grandma in the nursing home. What will be the government payout for a killed seven year old?

  48. Michael Le Merchant says:

    2nd German Pathology Conference – ARE DEATHS AND ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS AFTER VACCINATION AGAINST COVID-19 RELATED IN A PATHOLOGICALLY DETECTABLE WAY?
    https://odysee.com/@en:a5/Pathology-Conference-2-en:b

    • Van Kent says:

      2nd German Pathology Conference

      – After being jabbed people are x15 more likely to die..

      – After being jabbed people are x2 more likely to get Covid..

      Not only are the Covid vaccines making people more vulnerable to getting the disease. Actually twice as likely.
      So.. not only are the vaccines utterly useless for their original purpose. But they are making people even more vulnerable to the disease.

      And just in general.. you just tend to flat out die x15 more likely, if you have taken the jabs.

      Nice

      Next.. it would be interesting to see some statistical analysis.. is it more likely to survive
      a. Swimming in a pool of crocs
      b. Take the jab

      Or is it more likely to get maimed for life
      a. Taking part in a Columbian drug cartel shootout
      b. Take the jab

      Also some statistical anlysis would be great.. when did the casualties of this war against the general population.. exceed the casualties of the Vietnam war? First month of jabs?

      And if the jabs are required by law every 6 months, reinforced by the government and the military. When will the global innocent victims amount to numbers equal to bloodbaths of WWI or WWII?

      • Michael Le Merchant says:

        Speaking of Vietnam:

        Vietnamese province suspends use of a Pfizer vaccine batch

        HANOI: The Vietnamese province of Thanh Hoa has suspended the use of a Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine batch after more than 120 students were hospitalised following their inoculation.

        The central province started vaccinating children aged 15 to 17 years with the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine since Nov 30.
        https://www.nst.com.my/world/region/2021/12/750928/vietnamese-province-suspends-use-pfizer-vaccine-batch

      • Lidia17 says:

        In the drug shootout, what weapons am I allowed?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Let’s hand this over to the 3 Stooges — mike norm dunc… please respond:

        Next.. it would be interesting to see some statistical analysis.. is it more likely to survive
        a. Swimming in a pool of crocs
        b. Take the jab

        Or is it more likely to get maimed for life
        a. Taking part in a Columbian drug cartel shootout
        b. Take the jab

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