Today’s Energy Crisis Is Very Different from the Energy Crisis of 2005

Back in 2005, the world economy was “humming along.” World growth in energy consumption per capita was rising at 2.3% per year in the 2001 to 2005 period. China had been added to the World Trade Organization in December 2001, ramping up its demand for all kinds of fossil fuels. There was also a bubble in the US housing market, brought on by low interest rates and loose underwriting standards.

Figure 1. World primary energy consumption per capita based on BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy.

The problem in 2005, as now, was inflation in energy costs that was feeding through to inflation in general. Inflation in food prices was especially a problem. The Federal Reserve chose to fix the problem by raising the Federal Funds interest rate from 1.00% to 5.25% between June 30, 2004 and June 30, 2006.

Now, the world is facing a very different problem. High energy prices are again feeding over to food prices and to inflation in general. But the underlying trend in energy consumption is very different. The growth rate in world energy consumption per capita was 2.3% per year in the 2001 to 2005 period, but energy consumption per capita for the period 2017 to 2021 seems to be slightly shrinking at minus 0.4% per year. The world seems to already be on the edge of recession.

The Federal Reserve seems to be using a similar interest rate approach now, in very different circumstances. In this post, I will try to explain why I don’t think that this approach will produce the desired outcome.

[1] The 2004 to 2006 interest rate hikes didn’t lead to lower oil prices until after July 2008.

It is easiest to see the impact (or lack thereof) of rising interest rates by looking at average monthly world oil prices.

Figure 2. Average monthly Brent spot oil prices based on data of the US Energy Information Administration. Latest month shown is July 2022.

The US Federal Reserve began raising target interest rates in June 2004 when the average Brent oil price was only $38.22 per barrel. These interest rates stopped rising at the end of June 2006, when oil prices averaged $68.56 per barrel. Oil prices on this basis eventually reached $132.72 per barrel in July 2008. (All of these amounts are in dollars of the day, rather than being adjusted for inflation.) Thus, the highest price was over three times the price in June 2004, when the US Federal Reserve made the decision to start raising target interest rates.

Based on Figure 2 (including my notes regarding the timing of the interest rate rise), I would conclude that raising interest rates didn’t work very well at bringing down the price of oil when it was tried in the 2004 to 2006 period. Of course, the economy was growing rapidly, then. The rapid growth of the economy likely led to the very high oil price shown in mid-2008.

I expect that the result of the US Federal Reserve raising interest rates now, in a low-growth world economy, might be quite different. The world’s debt bubble might pop, leading to a worse situation than the financial crisis of 2008. Indirectly, both asset prices and commodity prices, including oil prices, would tend to fall very low.

Analysts looking at the situation from strictly an energy perspective tend to miss the interconnected nature of the economy. Factors which energy analysts overlook (particularly debt becoming impossible to repay, as interest rates rise) may lead to an outcome that is pretty much the opposite result of the standard belief. The typical belief of energy analysts is that low oil supply will lead to very high prices and more oil production. In the current situation, I expect that the result might be closer to the opposite: Oil prices will fall because of financial problems brought on by the higher interest rates, and these lower oil prices will lead to even lower oil production.

[2] The purpose of the US Federal reserve raising target interest rates was to flatten the growth rate of the world economy. Looking back at Figure 1, the growth in energy consumption per capita was much lower after the Great Recession. I doubt that now in 2022, we want even lower growth (really, more shrinkage) in energy consumption per capita for future years.*

Looking at Figure 1, growth in energy consumption per capita has been very slow since the Great Recession. A person wonders: What is the point of governments and their central banks pushing the world economy down, now in 2022, when the world economy is already barely able to maintain international supply lines and provide enough diesel for all of the world’s trucks and agricultural equipment?

If the world economy is pushed downward now, what would the result be? Would some countries find themselves unable to afford fossil fuel energy products in the future? This might lead to problems both in growing and transporting food, at least for these countries. Would the whole world suffer a major crisis of some sort, such as a financial crisis? The world economy is a self-organizing system. It is difficult to forecast precisely how the situation would work out.

[3] While the growth rate in energy consumption per capita was much lower after 2008, the price of crude oil quickly bounced back to over $120 per barrel in inflation-adjusted prices in the 2011-2013 time frame.

Figure 3 shows that oil prices immediately bounced back up after the Great Recession of 2008-2009. Quantitative Easing (QE), which the US Federal Reserve began in late 2008, helped energy prices to shoot back up again. QE helped keep the cost of borrowing by governments low, allowing governments to run larger deficits than might otherwise have been possible without interest rates rising. These higher deficits added to the demand for commodities of all types, including oil, thus raising prices.

Figure 3. Average annual oil prices inflation-adjusted oil prices based on data from BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy. Amounts shown are Brent equivalent spot prices.

The chart above shows average annual Brent oil prices through 2021. The above chart does not show 2022 prices. The current Brent oil price is about $91 per barrel. So, oil prices today are a little higher than they have been recently, but they are nowhere nearly as high as they were in the 2011 to 2013 period or in the late 1970s. The extreme reaction we are seeing is very strange. The problem seems to be much more than oil prices, by themselves.

[4] High prices in the 2006 to 2013 period allowed the rise of unconventional oil production. These high oil prices also helped keep conventional oil production from falling after 2005.

It is difficult to find detail on the precise amount of unconventional oil, but some countries are known for their unconventional oil production. For example, the US has become a leader in the extraction of tight oil from shale formations. Canada also produces a little tight oil, but it also produces quite a bit of very heavy oil from the oil sands. Venezuela produces a different type of very heavy oil. Brazil produces crude oil from under the salt layer of the ocean, sometimes called pre-salt crude oil. These unconventional types of extraction tend to be expensive.

Figure 4 shows world oil production for various combinations of countries. The top line is total world crude oil production. The bottom gray line approximates world total conventional oil production. Unconventional oil production has been rising since, say, 2010, so this approximation is better for years 2010 and subsequent years on the chart, than it is for earlier years.

Figure 4. Crude and condensate oil production based on international data of the US Energy Information Administration. The lower lines subtract the full amount of crude and condensate production for the countries listed. These countries have substantial amounts of unconventional oil production, but they may also have some conventional production.

From this chart, it appears that world conventional oil production leveled off after 2005. Some people (often referred to as “Peak Oilers”) were concerned that conventional oil production would reach a peak and begin to decline, starting shortly after 2005.

The thing that seems to have kept production from falling after 2005 is the steep rise in oil prices in the 2004 to 2008 period. Figure 3 shows that oil prices were quite low between 1986 and 2003. Once oil prices began to rise in 2004 and 2005, oil companies found that they had enough revenue that they could start adopting more intensive (and expensive) extraction techniques. This allowed more oil to be extracted from existing conventional oil fields. Of course, diminishing returns still set in, even with these more intensive techniques.

These diminishing returns are probably a major reason that conventional oil production started to fall in 2019. Indirectly, diminishing returns likely contributed to the decline in 2020, and the failure of the oil supply to bounce back up to its 2018 (or 2019) level in 2021.

[5] A better way of looking at world crude oil production is on a per capita basis because the world’s crude oil needs depend on world population.

Everyone in the world needs the benefit of crude oil, since it is used both in farming and in transporting goods of all kinds. Thus, the need for crude oil rises with population growth. I prefer analyzing crude oil production on a per capita basis.

Figure 5. Per capita crude oil production based on international data by country from the US Energy Information Administration.

Figure 5 shows that on a per capita basis, conventional crude oil production (gray bottom line) started declining after 2005. It was only with the addition of unconventional oil that crude oil production per capita could remain fairly level between 2005 and 2018 or 2019.

[6] Unconventional oil, if analyzed by itself, seems to be quite price sensitive. If politicians everywhere want to hold oil prices down, the world cannot count on extracting very much of the huge amount of unconventional oil resources that seem to be available.

Figure 6. Crude oil production based on international data for the US Energy Information Administration for each of the countries shown.

On Figure 6, crude oil production dips in 2016 – 2017 and also in 2020 – 2021. Both the 2016 and the 2020 dips are related to low prices. The continued low prices in 2017 and 2021 may reflect start-up problems after a low price, or they may reflect skepticism that prices can stay high enough to make continued extraction profitable. Canada seems to show similar dips in its oil production.

Venezuela shows a fairly different pattern. Information from the US Energy Information Administration mentions that the country started having major problems once the world oil price started falling in 2014. I am aware that the US has had sanctions against Venezuela in recent years, but it seems to me that these sanctions are closely related to Venezuela’s oil price problems. If Venezuela’s very heavy oil could really be extracted profitably, and the producers of this oil could be taxed to provide services for the people of Venezuela, the country would not have the many problems that it has today. The country likely needs a price between $200 and $300 per barrel to allow for sufficient funds for extraction plus adequate tax revenue.

Brazil’s oil production seems to be relatively more stable, but its growth has been slow. It has taken many years to get its production up to 2.9 million barrels per day. There is also some pre-salt oil production just now getting started in Angola and other countries of West Africa. This type of oil requires a high level of technical expertise and imported resources from around the world. If world trade falters, this type of oil production is likely to falter, as well.

A large share of the world’s oil reserves are unconventional oil reserves, of one type or another. The fact that rising oil prices are a real problem for citizens means that these unconventional reserves are unlikely to be tapped. Instead, we may be dealing with seriously short supplies of products we need for operating our economies, including diesel oil and jet fuel.

[7] Figure 1 at the beginning of this post indicated falling energy consumption per capita. This problem extends to more than oil. On a per capita basis, both coal and nuclear energy consumption are falling.

Practically no one pays any attention to coal consumption, but this is the fuel that allowed the Industrial Revolution to start. It is reasonable to expect that since the world economy started using coal first, it might be the first to deplete. Figure 7 shows that world coal consumption per capita hit a peak in 2011 and has declined since then.

Figure 7. World coal consumption per capita, based on data from BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy.

Many of us have heard about Aesop’s Fable, The Fox and the Grapes. According to Wikipedia, “The story concerns a fox that tries to eat grapes from a vine but cannot reach them. Rather than admit defeat, he states they are undesirable. The expression ‘sour grapes’ originated from this fable.”

In the case of coal, we are told that coal is undesirable because it is very polluting and raises CO2 levels. While these things are true, coal has historically been very inexpensive, and this is important for people buying coal. Coal is also easy to transport. It could be used for fuel instead of cutting down trees, thus helping local ecosystems. The negative things that we are being told about coal are true, but it is hard to find an adequate inexpensive substitute.

Figure 8 shows that world nuclear energy per capita is also falling. To some extent, its fall has stabilized since 2012 because China and a few other “developing nations” have been adding nuclear capacity, while developed nations in Europe have tended to remove their existing nuclear power plants.

Figure 8. World nuclear electricity consumption per capita, based on data from BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy. Amounts are based on the amount of fossil fuels that this electricity would theoretically replace.

Nuclear energy is confusing because experts seem to disagree on how dangerous nuclear power plants are, over the long term. One concern relates to proper disposal of spent fuel after its use.

[8] The world seems to be at a difficult time now because we don’t have any good options for fixing our falling energy consumption per capita problem, without greatly reducing world population. The two choices that seem to be available both seem to be far higher-priced than is feasible.

There are two choices that seem to be available:

[A] Encourage large amounts of fossil fuel production by encouraging very high fossil fuel prices. With such high prices, say $300 per barrel for oil, unconventional crude oil in many parts of the world would be available. Unconventional coal, such as that under the North Sea, would also be available. With sufficiently high prices, natural gas production could be raised. This natural gas could be shipped as liquefied natural gas (LNG) around the world at great cost. Additionally, many processing plants could be built, both for supercooling the natural gas to allow it to be shipped around the world and for re-gasification, when it arrives at its destination.

With this approach, food costs would be very high. Much of the world’s population would need to work in the food industry and in fossil fuel production and shipping. With these priorities, citizens would not have time or money for most things we buy today. They likely could not afford a vehicle or a nice home. Governments would need to shrivel in size, with the usual outcome being government by a local dictator. Governments wouldn’t have sufficient funds for roads or schools. CO2 emissions would be very high, but this likely would not be our most serious problem.

[B] Try to electrify everything, including agriculture. Greatly ramp up wind and solar. Wind and solar are very intermittent, and their intermittency does not match up well with human needs. In particular, one of the world’s primary needs is for heat in winter, but solar energy comes in summer. It cannot be saved until winter with today’s technology. Spend enormous amounts and resources on electricity transmission lines and batteries to try to somewhat work around these problems. Try to find substitutes for the many things that fossil fuels provide today, including paved roads and chemicals used in agriculture and in medicine.

Hydroelectricity is also a renewable form of electricity generation. It cannot be expected to ramp up much because it has mostly been built out already.

Figure 9. World consumption of hydroelectricity per capita, based on data from BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy.

Even if greatly ramped up, wind and solar electricity production would likely be grossly inadequate by themselves to try to operate any kind of economy. In addition, at a minimum, natural gas, shipped at very high cost as LNG around the world, would likely be needed. Also, huge quantity of batteries would be needed, leading to a short supply of materials. Huge quantities of steel would be needed to make new electrical machines to try to replace current oil-power machines. A minimum 50-year transition would likely be needed.

I am doubtful that this second approach would be feasible in any reasonable timeframe.

[9] Conclusion. Figure 1 seems to imply that the world economy is headed for troubled times ahead.

The world economy is a self-organizing system, so we cannot know precisely what form changes in the next few years will take. The economy can be expected to shrink back in an uneven pattern, with some parts of the world and some classes of citizens, such as workers versus the elderly, doing better than others.

Leaders will never tell us that the world has an energy shortage. Instead, leaders will tell us how awful fossil fuels are, so that we will be happy that the economy is losing their usage. They will never tell us how worthless intermittent wind and solar are for solving today’s energy problems. Instead, they will lead us to believe that a transition to vehicles powered by electricity and batteries is just around the corner. They will tell us that the world’s worst problem is climate change, and that by working together, we can move away from fossil fuels.

Again, the whole situation reminds me of Aesop’s Fables. The system puts a “good spin” on whatever frightening changes are happening. This way, leaders can convince their citizens that everything is fine when, in fact, it is not.

NOTE

*If the US Federal Reserve raises its target interest rate, central banks of other countries around the world are forced to take a similar action if they do not want their currencies to fall relative to the US dollar. Countries that do not raise their target interest rates tend to be penalized by the market: With a falling currency, the local prices of oil and other commodities tend to rise because commodities are priced in US dollars. As a result, citizens of these countries tend to face a worse inflation problem than they would otherwise face.

The country with the greatest increase in its target interest rate can, in theory, win, in what is more or less a competition to move inflation elsewhere. This competition cannot go on indefinitely, however, because every country depends, to some extent, on imports from other countries. If countries with weaker economies (i. e. those that cannot afford to raise interest rates) stop producing essential goods for world trade, it will tend to bring the world economy down.

Raising interest rates also raises the likelihood of debt defaults, and these debt defaults can be a huge problem, especially for banks and other financial institutions. With higher interest rates, pension funding becomes less adequate. Businesses of all kinds find new investment more expensive. Many businesses are likely to shrink or fail completely. These indirect impacts are yet another way for the world economy to fail.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,147 Responses to Today’s Energy Crisis Is Very Different from the Energy Crisis of 2005

  1. banned says:

    Nice outline of the injection racketeering and anti-trust criminal conspiracy. Operation Warp speed flow chart is included.

    “In November 2019 – one month before the alleged “outbreak” in Wuhan, Moderna entered into a material transfer agreement – brokered by the Vaccine Research Center at NIAID (at which UNC Chapel Hill alum Dr. Kizzy Corbett worked) – to access Dr. Baric’s Spike Protein data to commence vaccine development. In his own written statement obtained by the Financial Times, he refers to this agreement as being the foundation for the mRNA Moderna vaccine.7”

    https://www.davidmartin.world/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/The-Criminal-Conspiracy-of-Coronavirus.pdf

  2. Fast Eddy says:

    Here’s a twist…

    Twitter will no longer stop users from spreading false information about the Covid-19 virus or vaccines, according to an update on its content moderation policies.

    https://news.yahoo.com/twitter-stops-enforcing-covid-19-153346468.html

    A signal that BAU is about to implode? The MOREONS cannot be exposed to The Truth – they’ll unhinge…

  3. Fast Eddy says:

    Can COVID gene injection vaccine be shed? Can contents of vaccine be shed e.g. the spike protein? Take a look at this research: “Evidence for Aerosol Transfer of SARS-CoV2-specific Humoral Immunity”

    https://palexander.substack.com/p/can-covid-gene-injection-vaccine

    • The study seems to show that children in homes where the parents have been vaccinated against Covid can pick up some of the same antibodies (IgG and IgA) found within the nasal cavity and saliva of vaccinees.

      https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.28.22274443v1.full

      Confidential Pfizer Documents & New Study confirm COVID ‘Vaccine Shedding’ has been occurring with shocking & dangerous consequences
      https://expose-news.com/2022/11/26/pfizer-docs-study-confirm-covid-vax-shedding/

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Filthy diseased CovIDIOTS — disgusting.

      • Student says:

        Unfortunately the point that vaccinated can spread their Spike proteins to unvaccinated seems to be confirmed by Dr. Loretta Bolgan in the following interview (for those who understand Italian/Spanish).

        The scary point is that the Spike protein created by vaccinated through mRNA is different from the one of the virus and it can replicates in a ‘wrong’ way.
        That’s why sometime it happens that it degenerates in a prion disease in the brain.

        The interview is all very interesting.
        Dr Loretta Bolgan has proved to be reliable in the past about what she said.
        All that she said through the researches she has studied on the issue and then presented in her works, it appeared to be true later.
        I’ve been following her since the beginning of this mess.

        Expecially from timing 5.30 of the video.

        • Student says:

          That brings an ironic and black humor consequence:
          also the so called ‘élite’ who didn’t take the jab, can have severe consequence from the experimental jab they obliged other people to take.
          Because they are not living on Mars, but here with us on the earth.
          So the èlite has a serious reason to be worried.

          It is just black humor, but it is reality and it is also a little satisfation.

          – You threw me off the tower ?
          – Well, I will take you with me… 🙂

  4. Student says:
    November 29, 2022 at 5:05 am

    It is surely correct from economic point of view, but maybe more than with industries and services, if few people own all the land that drives people, who don’t have any land, to become extremely angry, suffered and unsatisfied towards ‘the lords of the land’.
    So, in my view, it is better to have a less efficient system, with people trying to arrange their lives with their private land instead of the opposite.
    People tend to have a certain minimal satisfation if they can grow their animals and a vegetable garden.
    Social harmony is an important aspect.


    I say the opposite.

    There is something called economy of scale. Basically, the bigger, the better.

    The standard solution for those who had no land was …. controlling their pop to be manageable so they would post no threat.

    To advance to the space and to reach Singularity, the maximum amount of efficiency, leaving nothing to the rest. In other words, the aggregate amount of progress would be much bigger, although it would be concentrated among the very few.

    Disgruntled people would be suppressed, like a crack of whip or a blow of baton at the heads, emaciated half corpses wandering for food and dropping dead, feeding the guard dogs of the huge landowners who have no time for such.

    All of them prices which have to be paid for Singularity.

    • this suggests a 3 tier system, serfs, guards and ‘masters’

      so what do these three classes have in common?—not a lot you might say.

      but they do have one thing in common, they must all be fed. in a post oil economy, all food energy output can only be derived from muscle energy input.

      the serfs muscle power supports everyone else, so if their muscle energy isn’t supported—they die. If they are overworked, they die.

      and if they die, food-flow ceases. Then the guards turn on the masters to consume remaining food stocks, which probably isn’t very much.
      Having a huge land area isnt worth much without the means to work it and produce surplus from it.

      All this ‘elite’ fantasy might deflate one day, when people work that out for themselves.

    • drb753 says:

      To advance only to the moon the payload is 29%, meaning that 71% is the rocket structure and fuel. A simple calculation shows that going outside the solar system you need about 1100% rocket+fuel. you can still say that we have not gone there because of the hordes, but really, going to space, that is just another idea that violates physics principles.

      • We could have found some way to use space energies , like Keith Henson and some others at here discussed, even if we could not go to the space at once.

        Becoming transhumans means one’s lifespan can be extended forever.

        But the Hordes are now advancing at the gates, and we won’t have the time to shoot power satellites and space miners . Again, Chucky’s crime against humanity is so great that it can’t be calculated; without him we would have gained at least a century, although about 80% of the world’s pop would be worse than what we have now.

        • “Becoming transhumans means one’s lifespan can be extended forever.”

          Not on our current Earth, I am afraid. If there is a heaven, and if a person goes there, I suppose a person could say their lifespan can be extended forever.

          • sciouscience says:

            I have heard stories of near-death experiences and then had one.

            I have altered my brain chemistry with entheogens and have witnessed barely explainable phenomena and later accessed even stronger consciousness portals from breathing, mediation, faith & natural world awe; some of which synergize nicely.

            As a self-occupied human body I believe that the perceived time from the POV of consciousness departing a human body in senescence would appear infinite due to regression loops and richness of detail contained in memory.

            I’m saying that you turn into a quark or some such and can reside in any of your memories until you realize some intimate truth and know that your reality (a memory) is bogusly formed and hollow and strangely about you and when you can sense the fabrication you wake into a different memory which seems real until the same transcendence occurs and you wake again which continues until you achieve full enlightenment (turtles all the way) that you have passed away some unknown time ago and that your current reality is a nested dream then do you dissolve into ecstatic light as at that point you have already shed body and once you can shed mind you become part of One no longer encumbered by your memories. And it takes no time at all.

        • Withnail says:

          But the Hordes are now advancing at the gates, and we won’t have the time to shoot power satellites and space miners .

          The horde is us. When civilisation collapses, we are all barbarians because the things that made us civilised won’t exist any more.

        • in order to have any kind of workable function, all forms of energy must be converted into something else.

          worth considering, when imagining ‘use of energy’ in any context, space or otherwise.

        • Agamemnon says:

          Maybe my fault, so many Achaeans fallen.
          But surely Achilles and Ajax couldn’t have reincarnated into Chuck. What was his crime that changed history?

        • drb753 says:

          I am afraid that the landed gentry is distinguished particularly by its ability to engage in intellectual mast—ation. space energy? what ever happened to energy density?

    • The system that worked best and longest was the hunter-gatherer system. Many of the hunters would really be what we call fishermen. Fish don’t fight back the way that land animals often do.

      No one owned the land. Groups worked together and shared their common output. People who did not contribute adequately got thrown out of the group. When people got too old or sickly, they were left behind by the group.

      Status was gained by how much a person could give away. If a person could bring down a dear with a spear or bow and arrow and could give most of the meat away, it would help the person’s status.

      If parents of a child die or are disabled, other relatives step in to take over. This is what is behind “It takes a village to raise a child.”

      Even today, it is my understanding that elements of this type of society exists, especially in parts of Africa, but in some other areas as well.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        It is all a matter of perspective. We used to be fish, amphibians, lizards, small, medium large mammals, primates. Maybe being a fish worked best? ‘Glub, glub.’

        Seriously though, the evaluation depends on what criteria, if any, one applies. Does each species have its own criteria, is there any overarching?

        ‘Meaning, value and purpose’ are likely species-dependent at best, and subject to historical conditions. It is a matter of organically and socially conditioned perspective and interpretation.

        Ultimately, it depends on how we arbitrarily frame the question. What seems ‘important’ to us. Arguably any absolutist sense of meaning, purpose or value has completely collapsed these days.

        Eg. it is not a given that duration ‘matters’ more than intensity when civilisations are considered. Duration for what? And likewise, intensity for what? It is all ‘made up’.

        Even the cutting edge of European Christianity (the German Synod) is thoroughly perspectivist, while accepting that perspectivism is itself an historically conditioned perspective (lol).

        Btw. I am not sure how much we really know about prehistoric HG societies, and it is now questioned whether present day analogues are informative. I will keep an eye out for discussions.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Hunter gathers: Didn’t they only live about 38 years?

        Community: Watched the Amish put up a home for a fellow Amish, maybe 50-100 people there. A form of socialism, the community helps a fellow member at the beginning of his life, he helps out during the remainder of his/her years. It was men that I saw doing the construction.

        My father’s father was killed on the railroad, my dad was 14 and my grandfather’s last words were to effect, “Bob, you are now the man of the house.” We lived with my grandmother, my mother never found it easy; multigenerational is not an easy arrangement.

        Having a family gives some skin in the game to the community; without children it is all today, tomorrow does not exist as without children society dies. Shakers were celibate, they are gone. Perhaps a reason for some common sociological conventions across societies.

        If women have no children, their society dies; nature has ordered things to a given fabric, ideas which do not work are discarded.

        Dennis L.

        • Hunter-gatherers seem to have lived longer than the farmers who followed them. They also were taller and seemed to be in better health.

          It was the fact that the hunter-gatherer population rose that led to the need for more food. Agriculture provided more food. Grains could be stored, allowing people to live in a single place, another advantage.

      • banned says:

        “Many of the hunters would really be what we call fishermen.”

        Coastal environments the most hospitable-temperature-water.

        1;”No one owned the land. Groups worked together and shared their common output.”
        2:People who did not contribute adequately got thrown out of the group.

        The value of 1 depends on 2. In the absence of 2 ownership becomes desirable. None the less Mowats accounts of the effects of consumable goods and the idea of ownership on the Northern tribes presented a bleak picture. Once it was discovered that a can of peaches existed and to consume same required money(fur), tribal structure was compromised. Subsistence activities were discarded for fur harvest. When the fur price fell through the floor there was no food because fur had become the equivalent of food courtesy of the Hudson Bay company.

        Mowats Ideas were considered quite subversive by the USA but the Soviets found them to have merit inviting Mowat on a gala adventure in Siberia described (with Farlys tendency to embellish) in the book “Sibir”. The photos in that book were amazing and there were supposed to be a photo album published but it never made it to print. Sibir can be obtained at a very low cost from the used book providers. After his all expense paid Siberian adventure Farley continued to communicate ideas about the Soviets very different from MSM.
        At the core of his communications was the fact that natives in the Siberian part of the Soviet union were not genocided. While there was a significant genetically slavic minority the majority of the people and their government was genetically native. There were certainly abuses by the Soviet government but they were abuses largely handed out without regard to race. To present these ideas as USA struggled and struggles with race relations was not appreciated by the USA government. Observation of the fate of native cultures in the USA and Canada while being informed as to native cultures fate under the Soviets raised strong questions which goverment was truly more just.

        Another excellent book by Mowat is “snowalkers” containing in its title a concept of tribe survival and detailing some more of the Hudson Bay companies exploitation of natives. The practice of sending natives to remote places where they told participants there was supposed to be a lot of fur but often was not often had incredibly horrific outcomes. They used the natives like hunting dogs. If it turned out there was fur in a place they got food if not too bad so sad. Hudson bay company didnt know if there was fur in these places or not sending natives to the place determined that. Farley also had a rather poor opinion of the churches effect on native cultures as all native beliefs were “of the devil”.

    • Student says:

      It is obvious that it is like that, my point was about what it would better, I thought it was clear by my post.
      All the best.

      • Student says:

        Maybe my reply went too in the bottom. Sorry, I was referring just to the first phrase of this thread, not the rest. Kind regards.

  5. Banned says:

    Dr. Michael Antoniou of King’s College London + Dr. Claire Robinson of GMWatch join Dr. Michael Nevradakis to gene editings (commonly called gene therapy) possibilities and risks. One hour.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/cxnBl5AcfdfV/

    How MRNA gene therapy theory effects genetic changes without effecting DNA.
    This does not exclude it from the benefits and risks discussed in the video above.

    https://medium.com/swlh/mrna-therapy-a-new-form-of-gene-medicine-5d859dadd1e

    All of the injections are gene therapies. The best backburner project each pharmacopeia company had to offer, a competition of sorts. It seems to me the emergency authorizations represent a free for all for various gene therapies to be developed by testing on the human population. A “happy hour” where standard safety protocols and their relationship to informed consent were sacrificed for progress in gene therapy. Cant make a omlette without breaking a few eggs. I find it Ironic that Europe a stalwart defender of public safety pushed back against genetically modified agriculture products not allowing their import but embraced human gene editing at a drop of a hat. While Bidens unequivocal avocation of the experimental gene therapies can not be denied(including military mandate) the Trump administration pressure on Europe to follow the FDA emergency happy hour uninformed nonconsent can not be denied either. The “warp speed” discardal of informed consent occurred on trumps watch and he refers to it as one of his greatest achievements to this day.

    • Dennis L. says:

      “I find it Ironic that Europe a stalwart defender of public safety pushed back against genetically modified agriculture products not allowing their import but embraced human gene editing at a drop of a hat.”

      Astute observation, never thought of that one. It would be interesting to see the correlation between the most vocal non GMO supporters and their position on vaccination.

      Dennis L.

  6. Mirror on the wall says:

    OK so, the ONS has released the ethnicity stats for the 2021 UK census. 74.4% of the overall population of England and Wales identified as ethnically white British. That group will be overall older however and stats were not offered today for the ethnicity of age cohorts.

    (School census and new birth stats are available. Those identifying as white British currently make up about 65% of primary school kids (4-11 years old), and about 58% of new births. I have already given sources for that, but let us have a look at today’s ONS stats.)

    > A snapshot of modern Britain: Census shows fewer people in England and Wales describe themselves as white and under HALF are Christian for the first time EVER, while two-thirds of Londoners are from an ethnic minority

    Census 2021: Fascinating charts and maps show how over-65s now outnumber under-15s for first time EVER

    Some 81.7 per cent of residents in England and Wales described themselves as white on the day of the 2021 census, down from 86 per cent a decade earlier.

    And for the first time since the census began almost 200 years ago fewer than half the population said they were Christian. More than a third now say they have no religion at all.

    Within the group identifying as white, 74.4 per cent said they were ‘English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British’, down from 80.5 per cent in 2011 and 87.5 per cent in 2001.

    The proportion of people identifying as Asian rose from 7.5 per cent (4.2 million) in 2011 to 9.3 per cent (5.5 million) in 2021; people identifying as black rose from 3.3 per cent (1.9 million) to 4.0 per cent (2.4 million); mixed or multiple ethnic groups rose from 2.2 per cent (1.2 million) to 2.9 per cent (1.7 million); and other groups rose from 1.0 per cent (564,000) to 2.1 per cent (1.3 million).

    London remains the most ethnically diverse region of England, with 36.8 per cent of people identifying as ‘white English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British’, down from 44.9 per cent in 2011.

    The region with the highest proportion of people identifying this way was north east England, at 90.6 per cent.

    The local authorities with the highest proportion of people in 2021 identifying as ‘white English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British’ were Allerdale and Copeland in Cumbria (both 96.7 per cent), while the lowest were the London boroughs of Newham (14.8 per cent) and Brent (15.2 per cent).

    In 10.1 per cent of households in England and Wales in 2021, two or more ethnic groups were represented, up from 8.7 per cent in 2011.

    Some 27.5 million people in England and Wales described themselves as Christian on the day of the 2021 census, or 46.2 per cent. This is down from 33.3 million (59.3 per cent) a decade earlier and is the first time the proportion has dropped below a half.

    The percentage of people saying they had no religion jumped from around a quarter in 2011 (25.2 per cent, or 14.1 million) to over a third in 2021 (37.2 per cent or 22.2 million).

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11480799/Census-results-2021-Data-maps-religion-ethnicity-England-Wales.html

    See also: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity/bulletins/ethnicgroupenglandandwales/census2021

  7. Late to the Party says:

    Lava is on the move again on the Big Island of Hawaii where I live. It started late Sunday night. As the video says it is not threatening houses currently and it is already decreasing a bit so will possibly flow for a few weeks and then stop, although it can be unpredictable.

    In the 12 years I have lived here lava has flowed 2 miles away from us, and a different flow was 6 miles away from my (and my wife’s) cabin that we built on the 1990 flow.
    This eruption I think is about 20 miles away. We can a see big rosy glow on the western horizon looking like a sunset.

    And for the tourists there is nowhere to go to get an up close view of it, except by helicopter which would be very cool.

    • Late to the Party says:

      The lava flow 4 years ago was big! It took out 1,000 homes and maybe 40 sq. miles of mostly forested land not to mention our boat ramp and two swim spots. AND it started just a half mile from the geothermal plant. This plant used fracking to open up the rock to inject water for steam for making electricity. And fracking does correlate in general to more seismic activity. Some of us here suspected it possibly caused the weakness there that the lava started flowing out of, but of course impossible to prove and never once mentioned by official sources.

      • Withnail says:

        Humans should really stop fantasising that we have any impact on things like that. We are no more than a pinprick on the planet, just a brief blip in time when we converted fossil fuels into food into humans for a while.

    • If there is a major eruption and very significant ash, I would expected that world climate could be affected. There might be a drop in average temperatures around the world.

      It would seem like a major eruption could take out a lot of homes. Some maps I say of lava flow to the ocean in prior eruptions gave me the impression that the area covered by lava could turn out to be quite significant, far more than with recent eruptions by other volcanos.

      • Late to the Party says:

        A geologist once told me that he thought lava would probably cover the entire island ( bit by bit ) at least a couple more times before it stopped for good.

        • At a meeting of casualty actuaries in Hawaii I attended in 2019, and actuary pointed out that while land is generally high-priced, land close to some of these volcanoes is cheap. This encourages people to build close to volcanoes.

          Of course, if lava covers the whole island, where a person builds is pretty much irrelevant. People need boats to get away.

      • Replenish says:

        Lucid dream a couple weeks ago of an “attack in Hawaii” and “1000 killed” followed by scenes of a female IDF soldier setting up a medical triage center. My interpretation is “new Pearl Harbor” involving Israel. Location points to historical context, an earth change or other traumatic event that foreshadows or serves as precursor for the main event.

  8. Student says:

    (Adversereactionreport.org)

    ‘COVID Vax Linked To Plummeting Fertility Rate, German Study Finds’.
    An alarming study out of Germany reveals a “strong association” between the COVID-19 vaccine rollout and a sudden and dramatic drop in fertility rates in Germany and Sweden.

    https://adversereactionreport.org/research/covid-vax-linked-to-plummeting-fertility-rate-german-study-finds/

    Link to the official research:

    https://www.bib.bund.de/Publikation/2022/Fertility-declines-near-the-end-of-the-COVID-19-pandemic-Evidence-of-the-2022-birth-declines-in-Germany-and-Sweden.html

    Inside one can find also the link to the full .pdf

    • Thanks! I always have more confidence in actual studies showing declines in birth rates (or increases in cancer rates, or whatever is being claimed) than someone’s model of what is likely to go wrong.

      • HerbHere says:

        Gail, have you ever considered the “Calhoun Mouse Utopia” experiment and conclusions that unlimited resources inevitably leads to self extermination. The conclusions seem to apply to humanity today! Synopsis and conclusion on Naturalnews….
        https://citizens.news/678675.html

        • I am afraid you are right. I suspect this issue is behind the high rates of depression and drug use among young people today.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Phase A – Day 1 – Strive period – Establishing territories and making nests. First children born.

          Phase B – Day 105 – Exploit period – Rapid population growth. Social hierarchy established. Offspring higher in those with social dominance.

          Phase C – Day 315 – Stagnation phase – Population growth slows. Males become feminized. Females become aggressive, taking over roles of males. Violence becomes common. Social disorder skyrockets. Male mice begin to assume female roles (mouse transgenderism). Mouse / rat homosexuality begins to emerge. Pedophilia grows rampant as “they begin mounting the young.” Fertility falls in females. Mothers reject their young.

          Phase D – Day 560 – Death phase – Population collapses. “No young surviving.” No longer any conception. Non-reproducing females resort to eating, grooming and sleeping. No interest in socialization. No social skills learned by remaining survivors. No ability to be aggressive, which means no ability to defend their young or their nests. Avoidance of all stressful activities, including anything resembling competition.

          Preoccupation with grooming and physical attractiveness. Inability to navigate challenges of the real world. Only the outer appearance of being superior, but lacking cognitive and social skills. Totally unable to reproduce, raise young or compete for anything.

          The only difference is that we are fed by oil – so if the system busts we ROF… therefore the Elders are pre-empting this by exterminating us.

          Why suffer needlessly?

      • Student says:

        You are welcome, I’m happy of that.
        It comes from the ‘German Federal Institute on population’, something that looks reliable.

  9. Student says:

    (Jerusalem Post)

    ‘FTX collapse: BlockFi sues a Bankman-Fried company
    The disgraced Jewish king of crypto Sam Bankman-Fried was not named as a defendant in BlockFi’s complaint.’
    […]
    ‘ In his position, SBF made use of his assets for what he described as Effective Altruism, bailing out ailing digital asset firms and donating his money, including to many causes aligned with the Democratic Party.
    At his peak, SBF’s crypto investments and business activities proved to be incredibly profitable. Estimates had placed SBF’s net worth at $26 billion at his peak, though he averaged around $10-$16 billion in October.’

    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-723604

    • Sort of today’s “Gift Economy.” Gain status by how much a person can give away. Raise the money to give away by running a Ponzi Scheme. How original!

  10. CTG says:

    Markets Cheer Chinese Vaccine Drive Announcement Clearing Path Toward Reopening

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinese-stocks-jump-elderly-vaccination-boost-fuels-reopening-bets

    Like Roadster said…. put an end to the clown world. OK. China has riots, “do one thing but say another thing”, lockdown or no lockdown, stock markets go up and down according to what is said (seems like someone is profiting from it), etc…etc…etc

    What to believe?

    • Student says:

      I see that also China (besides Western Countries) wants to demonstrate to the world that it is possible to get out from Covid pandemic only in two ways: a) lockdown
      b) vaccination.
      Medical treatment is an option not allowed.
      They are perfectly in line with WEF great reset

      • drb753 says:

        well, they too are short on energy. no need to imagine Xi and the rothschilds concocting a world domination plan late at night.

    • China is short on energy. It also has a lot of angry citizens. I wouldn’t bet on shut-downs for one reason or another going away.

  11. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    Haaretz | Archaeology
    Neolithic Site in Ukraine Reveals Early Settlers Ate Porridge With a Special Ingredient
    The enigmatic Cucuteni-Trypillian culture reached Western Ukraine much earlier than had been thought, new excavation in wetland reveals

    Viktoria Greenboim RichNov 27, 2022
    When a date of a phenomenon or culture changes, it creates a chain of new evaluations of previous conclusions and paradigms. For example, it might affect paradigms on relations between different cultures, events, economies, and the reasons behind the movement of one culture; hence, dating is vital to archaeological and historical research.
    At both of the early Cucuteni-Trypillian sites, the archaeologists found mortars for pounding grain. It’s early days into studying them to say which types of grains they used.
    But Tkachuk says that whatever grain it was, grinding using these stones wouldn’t result in a fine flour. At most, they could crush the seeds and use them for cooking porridge – with an extra ingredient. Inevitably small pieces of stone would mix with the grain and end up in the porridge.
    Sadly for posterity, early Trypillian burials and human remains have yet to be found, which is another enigma concerning the earliest stages of this culture, making it difficult to learn how eating rock with their food affected the Trypillians’ health, if it did. And if it did, it did so in good company.
    Extensive research in other contexts reveals that small stones in foods were a thing during the dawn of agriculture. In Poland, archaeologists found indications that small stones in the food eroded the people’s teeth. Analysis of skeletons in Israel from the prehistoric Natufian and Neolithic periods also revealed extensive tooth wear, which might have been caused by eating fibrous food – and bits of stone in their food

    So, Bad teeth was the result of a BAU diet …how nice

    • Withnail says:

      It’s a very well known and studied phenomenon that residues of stone from ginding grain erodes teeth.

      It’s been a problem all through history until the modern era when we switched to using new materials for grinding grain that don’t end up contaminating the bread.

      • Lidia17 says:

        I think people used their teeth more often as tools, also. I read about tribal women using their teeth to soften hides by chewing them. My grandfather was said to open beer bottles with his teeth. I never saw him do it because he had lost all his teeth by the time I knew him. :-/

    • drb753 says:

      Bad teeth was the result of a grain based diet. no need to invoke bits of rock.

      • Withnail says:

        Teeth erosion is caused by traces of stone from the grindstones. As I said it’s a very well known and studied phenomenon.

        Let’s not inject mumbo jumbo about paleo diets or whatever into it.

        • drb753 says:

          well, there is no archeological record of cavities until 15,000 years ago. there were cavities also where bits of stone were not involved. and skeletons younger than 10,000 have, virtually all, cavities. there are cavities with stone bits and cavities also without stone bits. but there are no cavities without grains.

          • Withnail says:

            Im talkng about teeth erosion not cavities.

            • drb753 says:

              ok. though enamel is eroded also through acid leaching from carbohydrates. and of course a cavity is when erosion punches through the enamel.

            • Herbie Ficklestein. says:

              As Jeremy Rifkin once mused in his writing on Entropy…will future generations, if they are, be impressed by our dental techniques or amazed by the rottenness of our teeth?

            • Withnail says:

              be impressed by our dental techniques or amazed by the rottenness of our teeth?

              They would be impressed that people were living long enough to have rotten teeth.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Grain = shit.

        Avoid.

  12. Harry says:

    I don’t know if it’s already been linked by anyone, but here’s an analysis by german Dr. Berndt Warm about “Calculations on the Lifespan of Vehicle Production and Petroleum Production”

    Dr. Warm uses 5 different methods, 4 relying on economics, and 1 on thermodynamics, to predict when the end of oil production and motor vehicle production will occur. All 5 methods roughly converge on 2030 as the year when modern lifestyles end.

    The essay was written in German and translated to English which explains any awkward phrasing.

    https://undenial.files.wordpress.com/2022/11/berndt-warm-calculations-on-the-lifespan-of-vehicle-production-and-petroleum-production-11-sep-2022.pdf

    • Herbie Ficklestein. says:

      Figure 6 contains several prominent areas:
      • In 2013 and 2014, car sales increased at approximately 14%BOE of oil prices.
      • In 2018, sales began to fall at 8-9%BOE.
      • In 2021, car sales did increase at oil prices of 5%BOE to 6%BOE
      • In 2021, at 7%BOE oil price sales numbers collapse and then, almost to this day, fall.
      While in 2013 the relatively high price of 14 %BOE was conducive to the desire to buy, in 2021 an
      increase was possible at only 6 %BOE. In 8 years, the “beneficial price” decreased by 8%BOE, i.e.
      one percent BOE per year.
      In 2018, car sales fell at 8-9%BOE, in 2021 at 7%BOE. Here, the “limiting oil price” fell by
      2%BOE in 3 years, just under one point in one year.
      The extrapolation of the trend means that in 2027 the “conducive price” will be 0 %BOE,
      i.e. hardly anyone can afford a car anymore. Electric vehicles are usually more expensive than com-
      parable cars, so the transition to electric vehicles will not slow down this trend.
      Result: The extrapolation of sales data relative to the oil price shows that in 2027 and later
      hardly any cars will be sold.

      Thanks, Harry. confirms my feeling that this car. I own will be my last one!
      I tell this to others and they are in disbelief and think I must be joking, I wasn’t.

      • HerbHere says:

        How much longer can all the giant fuel sucking airliners keep flying around indiscriminately shuttling people to their cruise boat departures?

        • Fast Eddy says:

          I had a big run in with Cathay Pacific in 2019… I called the frequent flyer hotline to determine how many bags I was allowed … they said two check in… so I hauled a second bag from my office — filled with stuff I didn’t need in NZ but I wanted to clear the space…

          I get to the airport CBD check in – nope it’s only one bag — but Marco Polo said 2 so I brought 2. Nope 1. F789. Get your f789ing sh- it straight. I call MP in front of the MORE-ON and ask again – 2 they say (on speaker). Wrong 1.

          WTF??? Are you Mentally Ill – he said 2 I don’t care if it’s one I hauled this shit all the way in the heat and humidity and I ain’t hauling it back so check the f789er in .. you have to pay $250… I ain’t paying shit. He insists. I insist.

          We are at an impasse…. (keep in mind FE is second from the top tier frequent flyer – we spend a lot of $$$ with Cathay Pacific.. they should be doing the wise thing and saying – sorry for the confusion –we’ll take the 2nd bag no charge this time)

          So Fast dumps the second bag on the floor in front of the counter and says – keep it – I ain’t hauling that junk back. They ask me to put it in the bin .. I say nope — I ain’t doing that (it obviously won’t fit in the bin anyway).. You deal with it.

          Then Fast puts a hex on them … they’d just had a really bad financial result so Fast says I hope you go bankrupt you have not idea how to treat your customers… you are MOREONS + Mentally Ill… Fast then takes out a stuffed Cathay airplane from his hand carry and sticks a dozen pins into it. Ha – I’ve put a hex on you!

          And within a few months … look at what happened 🙂

    • one of the best/scariest links I’ve seen on OFW

      no hysteria or conspiracy theories–just factual information

      thanks ( i think)

    • D. Stevens says:

      End of the PDF says oil will be very expensive by 2027. That’s a bold prediction. I predict oil will be free in 2027 like it was during early C19 days.

      • ”expensive” might just be in relation to the average worker’s means to buy it.

        employment is entirely dependent on a flow of cheap surplus energy

        without that flow, employment will cease in all but the most radical sense—ie production of food etc.

        if overall income is drastically reduced, oil will be unaffordable at any price.

        Give it away?—that doesn’t work either. Getting it out of the ground is expensive,
        as is the means by which is used. (vehicles etc)
        It isnt possible to keep prosperity going. by ‘giving away’ the source material of that prosperity.

    • ivanislav says:

      The author’s logic and data analysis are trash. Everyone here should be able to poke this thing full of holes so I won’t waste my time enumerating the issues. If you can’t find them, woe is you.

      The only thing this guy got right is that oil is and will continue getting more expensive.

      • ivanislav says:

        Actually, #5 isn’t bad – notably the data is produced by another group. However, I wonder whether the data is accurate, as it says ~60% of oil energy is currently consumed in its own production.

      • Herbie Ficklestein. says:

        Already, here in the US states are already mandating the phase out of ICE engines by 2030,….also the fleet age is getting older because car ownership is expensive….my car insurance is outrageous and I’m fortunate to be able to do upkeep myself.
        Already have spare parts stored just in case supply chain freezes up.
        Need a car battery every number of years with tires….went to Walmart and the car battery section was empty!
        Doubt very much parts will be available to keep them on the road at the end of the decade.
        Get used to walking

    • HerbHere says:

      This work tracks with Gails, until the final conclusion “And: Oil will be extremely expensive by 2027 at the latest!”…If I understand Gails narrative, prices will collapse as the public can no longer afford the cost of energy products and energy producers walk away. Kinda like the cost of water delivered by Roman aqueduct’s; increasing to the point where its utility disappeared, then zero!

      • i was always under the impression, that invading armies, approaching rome, simply broke the aqueducts to cut off water supplies

        • Withnail says:

          Supposedly the barbarians broke the aqueducts but why would they bother doing that when they could have achieved the same effect by just diverting the water temporarily with a fraction of the effort.

          I think it’s just another myth. The aqueducts were failing anyway through lack of maintenance and were not needed for Rome’s small post collapse population.

    • Perhaps the world economy can be kept going well enough until 2027 to 2031, for this model to work out.

      I like the fact that several different approaches have been taken to look at the situation. I have noticed the peak in automobile sales in 2018 myself. This is very significant to me. The world economy is going in a very different direction if automobile sales are falling.

      • the drop in car sales is all part of our fall off the Seneca cliff.

        my wheels still turn—i can still go where i please, but that is part of the grand illusion.
        Millions lower down the prosperity ladder can’t.

        For the time being, I seem proofed against unpleasantness, but i can’t ignore the situation of those who aren’t. I’m one of the lucky ones. I might even be dead before the really nasty stuff kicks in—who knows? (luckier still then).

        Impossible not to feel for one’s offspring though. Luckier still if you don’t have any. You just leave an empty space and money to the cats home.

        As to personal mobility—the collective opinion seems to be, that as long as we continue to produce cars, our prosperity is assured.
        But it isn’t cars and journeys that give us prosperity, its what we do at the end of our journeys.
        We need productive employment. Cars just dissipate finite energy, they do not produce wages.

  13. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    My turn…Again…
    Oklahoma, Red Dirt singer-songwriter Jake Flint, 37, dies just hours after his wedding
    Brandy McDonnell, Oklahoman
    Mon, November 28, 2022 at 8:43 PM

    The shock and grief were apparent in the Oklahoma music community Monday as word spread of Flint’s sudden death at the age of 37. His longtime publicist, Clif Doyal, confirmed to The Oklahoman that the Red Dirt singer-songwriter had died in his sleep following his wedding on Saturday.

    The cause of death has not yet been determined

  14. postkey says:

    “Energy productivity makes it easy to convert money into energy. This is important, because the economy runs on energy, not money. This difference seems trivial, but is always overlooked. Crude oil is extracted with energy, not money. Money is printed by central banks, and can be produced in any quantity. Energy is finite. “
    https://undenial.files.wordpress.com/2022/11/berndt-warm-calculations-on-the-lifespan-of-vehicle-production-and-petroleum-production-11-sep-2022.pdf

  15. MG says:

    The lack of the nuclear and the coming winter revive mining coal in private gardens in Poland facing the energy crisis

    https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/mining-coal-in-your-garden-is-a-lucrative-business-in-poland-1.1851595

    • Herbie Ficklestein. says:

      Suppose it’s that or cutting down all the trees in the city or tearing wood from buildings to stay warm.
      Perhaps we’ll see that too soon when the energy crunch really kicks in!
      Just watched the movie Dr. Zhivago and it was a capital crime to take wood in the city during the Russian revolution…when we see that again that will mean no more BAU for you!

      • Withnail says:

        Trouble is they will end up with big pits all over the place that can’t grow anything. Like in Scotland and Ireland they end up with big holes where they dig peat. But you need fuel for the winter don’t you. No choice.

        • Herbie Ficklestein. says:

          From my understanding that’s where the “sand trap” on golf course came into play…those big holes..those poor rich elites had to deal with while on the course.

    • I can understand why people would want to burn locally mined coal.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        If I was there I’d just pour a drum of petrol onto that coal and the seam would burn for a thousand years hahaha

        The Geta Toonberg Geyser of hell

  16. Fast Eddy says:

    BlockFi, 8 Subsidiaries File for Bankruptcy: Smooth & Efficient Crypto Contagion Continues

    And it happens again. Crypto outfit BlockFi Inc., which was founded in 2017, and eight affiliates – BlockFi Trading, BlockFi Lending, BlockFi Wallet, BlockFi Ventures, BlockFi International Ltd., BlockFi Investment Products, BlockFi Services Inc., and BlockFi Lending II – filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy today in the US Bankruptcy Court for the District of New Jersey. BlockFi International Ltd., which is incorporated in Bermuda, filed for bankruptcy with the Supreme Court of Bermuda.

    BlockFi had halted withdrawals when FTX collapsed, and at the time hired bankruptcy counsel. Any fiat and cryptos anyone had on these platforms is now part of the bankruptcy proceedings.

    In the bankruptcy filing, BlockFi Inc. checked the box that said it has “more than 100,000” creditors, and it checked the box that said it owed those creditors between $1 billion and $10 billion.

    https://wolfstreet.com/2022/11/28/blockfi-8-subsidiaries-file-for-bankruptcy-smooth-efficient-crypto-contagion-continues/

    Burn.

    Edging towards 15k… https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bitcoin+plunges&iar=news&ia=news

  17. Fast Eddy says:

    Emergency blackout plan could see Brits paid to turn off power – from TOMORROW – Mirror Online

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-emergency-blackout-plan-could-28601061

    Make life not worth living

    I like this strategy.

    • At one time, people lived without power. There was no alternative. My mother told me that her family first got electricity at their farm in Wisconsin when she was eight years old (and that was from a generator my grandfather installed, powering one light bulb per room). I am sure indoor heating was not very good. People dressed warmly in winter. This era is really not terribly far back.

      We have lost the understanding of how to adapt to living without electricity. Pumping gasoline or diesel at stations takes electricity, for example. Electricity powers oil pipelines and many gas pipelines. Repairing electricity transmission lines requires oil products. Everything is very interconnected. Without electricity, we tend to lose oil products as well.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Yes, my grandparents on the farm had a Delco plant, heating was from a large cook stove in the kitchen. Delco plant advertisement was about 1919, where my grandmother lived the first REA loans were in 1936 to build lines to farms, my mother would have been 25 at that time. Amish still don’t have electricity to their homes, they do have indoor plumbing per building codes.

        Winters were much harder, farmers took down fences and used sleighs to get to town.

        Not that long ago, I date from 1946.

        Dennis L.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Ya but she didn’t have to check her social media every 30 seconds due to Mental Illness.

        They’ll take to the streets and riot if there is no access to social media.

        Also we live in a much more complex world – no electricity = collapse and starvation.

        Who’s ready to starve – hands up!!!

        Nobody … I see … well then… such on some Super Fent Lollies. One lick will put down an elephant hahaha Now that’s — a solution if there ever was one.

        If you think about it … if they sap the joy out of life — trannies prancing about with their ball sacks in front of children (with mums and dads singing along and clapping – these may be crisis actors actually … although never underestimate the willingness of a LibTARD MORE-ON…to embrace filth and perversion if CNNBBC demands it)….

        MORE-ONS insisting they are cats and demanding to be referred to as Ms Cat…. jail for anyone who refuses…

        The list goes on ….

        Add sporadic heat – expensive everything — hint at an even worse future… toss in a coke snorting freak who is fronting a war about who knows.. then there are the fixed elections everywhere… with no recourse… the FBI turning a blind eye to the Bidens and Clintons (Seth Rich) …

        Let’s not forget the pedo stuff… it is pervasive… (most of that is made up too)…

        Maybe as a fait accompli they can take away coffee (disease killed all the beans) and ration time on the internet…

        What’s the point of living — is the question the mob will begin to ask…

        The thing is….

        It does seem the wheel of despair has been turning faster over the past 6 months or so… you don’t want to spit it too fast too early or BAU collapses and it’s ROF Time…

        The fact that it’s now spinning more quickly by the day … indicates the End Game is very close….

        We can see the reaction from the mob — they don’t want to work – they are listless… they are Quiet Quitting …. that’s a dangerous situation (a friend of mine is the honcho at a company with 40 staff – retail.. he is beside himself… many of them are on their phones ignoring customers… they are constantly fighting among themselves… calling sick … and because of the global staffing shortage you cannot cull… they are already short handed)…..

        I suspect we are into the final phase — Operation Inculcate Despair. This is done as UEP is about to enter the Mass Die Off Phase… you want the mob to be calm (people experiencing despair dont ROF)… you want them to be receptive to The Solution when Holodomor is sprung upon them … when the Super Fent shows up you don’t want them to ask WTF? … you want them to be thankful for a painless opt – out.

        This is going down now… do we get one final Xmas then in the depths and misery of winter… the Final Solution is imposed on us?

  18. Fast Eddy says:

    Space… https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/57789

    He’s the guy who said he’d like to go to the moon but we lost the tech hahaha

    • jazzguitarvt says:

      At Thanksgiving an aerospace engineer was talking proudly that the Artimus rocket was the biggest ever.  I decided to be polite. Why is it the biggest?  In the 1970’s they went to the moon with 3 men, their food, water and waste, and a landing craft, and a dune buggy.  I guess they were smarter back then.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The Moon Con is important – it is a gateway antidote to realizing it’s all fake… everything.

        • Cromagnon says:

          I am curious. I agree that much of the space hype is utter fakery. Are you familiar with the concept of a “soul trap”. This concept is ancient and formed the basis of much gnostic Christian and Cathar “worldviews”.
          In short, we live in a simulated “ farm” where we are the cattle and non human entities feed off our agonies.

          What say you to this?

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Probably correct.

            ‘God’ is feeding off of our agonies.

            • sciouscience says:

              the thing ain’t only feeding off us it is tweaking the variables in specific sims in attempt for higher output.

            • Yorchichan says:

              It’d be pretty boring being God, so why not liven things up a bit by being every living thing simultaneously whilst forgetting about being God for a while?

          • Humankind, as far as we are aware, is the only species gifted with an imagination which can take us into the abstract, and forward or backward as we choose.

            this means we can ‘concieve’ of an afterlife—(future), or of the spirits of our ancestors haunting us (past). If we are so minded.

            We can thus ‘think’ of anything we choose to. This has been part of what we are, since we became what we are. Lightning was the displeasure of the gods. Volcanoes showed us where/what hell was. Warmth of the sun showed us heaven.
            God and satan fighting for your soul.
            All made perfect sense.

            As a child, you might read superman comics, and ‘think’ you too can fly. Most of us grow out of that.

            So on that basis, we have the power and freedom to ‘think’ that we do not exist at all.

            This is ‘confirmed’ by the non-proof system:

            “you cannot prove me wrong, therefore I must be right”

            I cannot ”prove” there are human footprints on the moon. I cannot ‘prove” that covid was not a man made virus intended to wipe out 90% of the world’s population. I cannot ‘prove’ we are not specimens under the microscope of superbeings.

            Therefore those who put out such concepts, must, by default, be right. And to support that, any attempt to bring reality into play is met with:
            “Ah—but that’s just part of the ‘great cover up’ to hide the truth.”
            And the ‘cover up’ is of course manipulated by our elite and elders. (again)

            Laughable really.

            Especially as none of this existed until ‘social media’ became the hand tool of the majority of us. A wacky idea goes out online—a million gullible people pick up on it–and they too become infected with conspiratitis.
            They infect millions more—and so on.

            In no time—a belief becomes a ‘certainty’. We write books, the books confirm what we believe–and vice versa.

            Hubbard was a science fiction writer, and very successful. Now millions actually believe his writings to be some kind of literal truth.

  19. Fast Eddy says:

    Hal Turner Radio Show – UPDATE 11:03 AM EDT — Now CONFIRMED: China has OPENED FIRE on COVID Protesters

    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/unconfirmed-reports-china-has-allegedly-opened-fire-on-covid-protesters

    Sooo EEEeeee!!! Not being reported in MSM therefore probly not fake

  20. Fast Eddy says:

    China has hit a demographic wall and is imploding. My partner Carlos wrote this piece in August. The protests erupting are really due to this collapse and the Covid lockdowns are cover to enact brutal suppression of the protests.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/upqh5dk1wnkvhgl/China%20%26%20US%E2%80%A6Seond%20Asian%20Crisis.pdf?dl=0

  21. Fast Eddy says:

    hahaha… Elon continues to do his community service https://t.me/TexasLindsay/943

  22. DB says:

    Marc Girardot has developed a good account (the bolus theory) for the underlying mechanism of the harm caused by the Covid jabs. Most of the Covid dissenters disagree with him, but the evidence looks to be more on his side. See his Substack for the full details: https://covidmythbuster.substack.com/.

  23. DB says:

    Another good one at the Off-Guardian, this one by Iain Davis on the history of technocracy:
    https://off-guardian.org/2022/11/25/china-the-worlds-first-technate-part-1/

    The WEF wasn’t the first to describe its plans for totalitarian dystopia publicly. Their intellectual predecessors did as well.

  24. DB says:

    Many skeptics have noted that the Covid jabs aren’t much of a depopulation mechanism so far. It might be that it’s a longer-term program, especially as massive, immediate carnage might trigger greater resistance. Todd Hayen described this view in some detail recently:
    https://off-guardian.org/2022/11/26/sand-in-the-gas-tank/

    Also, with more vaccines and treatments involving similar technologies on the way, the cumulative effect may be the key.

    • drb753 says:

      Maybe, but clearly people have been getting out of boosters. in Europe thanks to euromomo data I can see we are holding steady at 5-10% excess mortality, summer or winter. I see it as levelling off at 10% or so.

      it is much more likely that the vaccine program is morphing into one of many methods to reduce population, along with fa–otry feminism, veganism, and eutanasia. more methods will come, such as sabotage of the food supply, as each of these is below 10% of what is needed, based on energy considerations.

  25. moss says:

    Do souls here occasionally speculate in their inner hearts “what would really happen if Powell just kept going all the way to Volker heaven mortgages at 17%?”
    Looking at the money on the table from my angle the probability of no pivot appear infinitessimal. Fantastic odds on markets …

    Not sure whether Mr Zen has made an appearance here yet, but I consider his a wise, although high-octane, voice.
    zensecondlife.blogspot.com
    He’s also chartist, and as one of my old bosses memorably remarked “Show me the chartists’ yachts” and he remarked in passing he’s a volatility trader That said

    “The era of financialization began with the U.S. abandoning the Bretton-Woods Gold exchange standard in 1971. It was a constraint on unlimited U.S. borrowing, so it had to go. In the event, the U.S. dollar became the world’s first fiat reserve currency. Now, decades later we learn that nothing could be more lethal than an unlimited credit card collateralized by “free trade”, in the hands of a generation that inherited the greatest economy in history. There goes the industrial sector and the middle class.

    “What we got in return was secular deflation. Meaning that global supply far exceeds demand. Yes, even now. What passes for inflation now is end of cycle Ponzi inflation already imploding in broad daylight.

    “Today’s inflation is the very definition of transitory – nevertheless it has been inadvertently conflated as the 1970s horror show “Return Of The Middle Class”. Leading to what I call the Volcker gambit – raising rates at the fastest pace in history in the midst of a record global asset bubble collapse. Without question, the dumbest economic event we’ve witnessed in our lifetimes.”
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjsnSQ_wmmGFgE1d3CpYo3jhRWBtOUfC0LHAWWLT8PLg-tMiLakoyz3WADWMXBFUceivTdgilstWLulXsXkG51Eo7jwLF-Ox8QEZOM9f65H44oemZRAUTZLvXYPEo9KHO1UgHb_MN5UR-Xk9Vkdh71EvLr8gAtKxVBpU_P0IWVdcOtqKHEkMi0VVBzW/s1100/volcker.png

    “What’s holding up the CPI at this late stage is a record increase in home carrying costs (price * interest rate) and record corporate profits. The Fed inflated the housing bubble and then they jacked up rates to make housing totally unaffordable. Driving rents through the roof and back into CPI, where the Fed concludes that rates must go higher.”

    yeee hah!

    • Vern Baker says:

      I speculate that it will go up to 25 to 30 percent. The reason is simply that the owners of the US Dollar would rather not see it disappear. Now, how it is affected by higher interest rates doesn’t factor in my hypothesis.

      What does factor in, is the fact that China still has about 50% of its property loans written in USD. If one has a weapon which can be used to derail a competing weapon, and there is only so much time to use it by, well, this would be a very good time to do just that.

      What we are seeing today in China certainly follows what happens people can no longer buy into the system. That system is souring quickly, partially because of interest rates. To make it worse, just keep pushing them up. Destroy the society by stressing its participants. China made a critical mistake here.

      I see societal destruction happening in North America and Europe as well, but by other means. It this isn’t some kind of a war, it might as well be.

      This interest rate insanity doesn’t do any favours to anyone else on the planet either; at least for the middle class. But, we all know that there is an effort to remove that from the planet as well. Everyone will be relieved of their debt soon enough. Whatever is left standing may still use a derivative of whatever the USD will become.

  26. Fast Eddy says:

    “Computerized Thermographic Imaging and Live Blood Analysis Post C19 Injection”; by Ana Maria Mihalcea, live blood analysis and thermographic Imaging of C19 injected individuals; In these never-before -seen images of individuals who received the experimental mRNA shot, we can see extensive abnormal vein imaging suggesting blood clotting in both deep venous and superficial venous system.

    https://palexander.substack.com/p/computerized-thermographic-imaging

    https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff9e72eef-26aa-4edd-8505-5f75902e2485_624x533.png

    Hey cool – it’s like those glasses that let you see through clothing and check out the units of hotties!

    Don’t want to check out vaxxed hotties though … EU

  27. CTG says:

    Biden’s Gender-Fluid Nuclear Official Charged With Felony Theft After Lying To Cops

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bidens-gender-fluid-nuclear-official-charged-felony-theft-after-lying-cops

    A senior Department of Energy official was charged with felony theft after stealing a piece of luggage from the Minneapolis airport in September – shortly before taking a leave of absence.

    Do you seriously want this guy to be in charged of spent fuel ponds?????

    • Rodster says:

      “Do you seriously want this guy to be in charged of spent fuel ponds?????“

      Hell yes. Let’s end this global freak show once and for all.

      • CTG says:

        OK. I see your point…

        I rescind my question

        hahahahahahhhahahaha…

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Where’s Pee Wee Herman these days? I think he should be co-manager of the spent fuel ponds

          The idea here is to ridicule the spent fuel ponds … turn them into a joke… so nobody works out that they are the Extinction Trigger.

          They finish off anyone who survives UEP.

          This is not my idea — it’s a product of FE’s 1500HP … all I know is I need to crouch when HE’s inbound … like you do when exiting a helicopter.

    • Adonis says:

      Its almost like watching the simpsons homer was handling plutonium just like this person is in charge of the spent fuel ponds lm betting that if the shitshow lasts another fifty years we may see a dog as the president of the USA.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        A dog would be an improvement on Biden ..although Biden was chosen by the Elders cuz he’s a disgrace — like a tranny flashing his balls to children while their parents clap dance and sing along …

        All part of the plan … to make the meat grinder seem … attractive…

  28. Slowly at first says:

    What are your thoughts regarding the supernatural? Are there minds other than those of humans?

    • Somehow, the whole Universe seems to keep evolving, in the direction of greater and greater expansion and complexity. How does this happen? Is there a source for all of the energy required?

      At the same time, individual human cells seem to have an amazing amount knowledge encoded into them. How does this happen?

      It looks to me as if there is some type of Higher Power at work, somewhere. This Higher Power may have other created creatures other than the ones on earth, which we might call supernatural. They may exist in a “different dimension” for example. I don’t know, but I wouldn’t rule the possibility out.

      The Higher Power may also have created a Heaven, somewhere. We don’t know for certain. There seem to be a lot of coincidences that work together, even now on Earth.

      • Sam says:

        Yes but maybe the creator allows for mankind to learn from their errors… wailing and nashing of teeth comes to mind. We haven’t really been good stewards of the land and what was given to us

        • Fast Eddy says:

          We were never meant to be – we are an aberration .. a defect in the system.

          Soon to be gone

          At least we have the decency to start culling ourselves

        • Aravind says:

          Hmm… don’t want to get into philosophic slugfests, but if you search for “Pale Blue Dot”, you would get an idea of how insignificant we (homo sapiens) are in the grand scheme of the perceived universe. It’s our ego (or hyper inflated self importance) that makes us think that we have been assigned this “stewardship” role in this little speck of dust by an imagined higher authority (assumed by us to closely resemble us!).

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Could be a geek locked in a closet with thin crust pizza slipped under the door 3x per day … who creates the simulation to keep Mork occupied…

        nanoo.. nanoo…

  29. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    Now that’s what I call a side Hussle….

    Natalia Ojewska
    Sun, November 27, 2022 at 12:00 AM
    (Bloomberg) — Polish taxi driver Grzegorz says his phone won’t stop ringing, such is the demand for his services. Yet it’s not a ride people want
    Gzegorz has given up driving for a far more lucrative line of work as Poland grapples with energy shortages: illegal mining. Around his home in the Lower Silesian city of Walbrzych, coal sits as little as a meter below the surface in fields, recreation areas and even gardens. A four-man team can unearth a ton in an hour and make 1,000 zloty ($220) each for half a day’s work, roughly 60% of what an average person earns
    My wife is against it and worried about me, but as a taxi driver I wouldn’t be able to make this kind of money,” Grzegorz said as he hoisted a bucket of the black gold from a square hole on the edge of a residential area while two of his cohort chipped away with pickaxes.
    Across the world, the dirtiest of fuels is going through a revival as Russia withholds gas supplies needed to generate electricity because of the war in Ukraine. That clamor is even more acute in Poland because a disproportionate number of households still depend on coal for heating and there’s a shortage the government is struggling to address.
    …….
    There are more pits in the locations we used to monitor throughout the last years over sporadic cases of illegal mining,” said Mateusz Majchrzyk, spokesperson for the Forestry Management in Walbrzych. “We noticed an increased activity around the mines, and we are also spending more money on the sand we use to fill in the holes.”
    Grzegorz, who declined to give his last name or age given his involvement in an illicit trade, said he may be taking the opportunity to make good money, but he’s also helping resolve Poland’s gravest energy crisis in decades.
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/mining-coal-garden-lucrative-business-050007392.html

    This should please Fast Eddie too!
    Yes, I agree, Humans – Extinction – Problem Solved

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Love it – but is it real?

    • Withnail says:

      Going to end up lowering the ground level and creating huge shallow lakes i imagine. So less land for farming.

    • Withnail says:

      Russia withholds gas supplies needed to generate electricity because of the war in Ukraine.

      This of course is a complete lie, Russia is not witholding gas at all.

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  31. Fast Eddy says:

    Repeated antigen dosing from vaccination, often in combination with intercurrent COVID infection, leads to more infections and more severe disease reported in multi-vaccinated subjects, so that COVID has now become a pandemic of the vaccinated.

    Vaccination has no significant effect on virus spread as it doesn’t stimulate mucosal immunity. Indeed the multi-vaccinated excrete virus for longer periods, due to the suppression effect discussed above.

    None of this should surprise, as “desensitisation” (multiple antigen shots for allergy subjects) effectively suppresses allergic reactions for about five years, via the same mode of action.

    https://metatron.substack.com/p/credentials-for-me-but-not-for-thee

    • Joe Smalley quotes someone who makes very good points.

      He ends the article with:

      Numerous legal challenges current across the Western world may be the only way to bring clarity and sense to the table, with reversion to a tested pattern of safe, science-based medical practise, based on the relationship between doctor and patient.

      I wouldn’t hold my breath.

      • sciouscience says:

        Gail- Thank you from my inhabiting spirit. This blog is the Current Resource of Choice. Your posts make the darkest topic both palatable and evidently probable but I have not truly felt the darkness until the last line of your reply. I hope maintaining this depressing font is not damaging you.

  32. Agamemnon says:

    I guess this is assuming as long as tight Permian is stable
    He also doesn’t think it’s political, just the plan.

    https://www.russell-clark.com/p/where-is-all-the-oil-going-part-ii

    The big take away for me is the SPR number is no longer important. It will keep falling as long as oil prices stay high. The operational minimum is 10% of total capacity, which means 70m barrels, but over time this could fall to zero. It also means that Chinese demand is now much more important to the oil market, particular once the SPR sell off is completed.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      yes, an unimportant SPR assumes that the good times keep rolling, with the USA now producing 12 mbpd so there could be a net import reduction from about 10 mbpd to now only about 2mbpd.

      according to John Willams at shadowstats, the SPR selloff lowered the US inflation rate AND helped substantially with the US trade deficit (making it much smaller) in Q3, so that Q3 had GDP “growth”, where without the SPR selloff the Q3 GDP would have been negative (recession!) again.

      so the selloff may continue (politically) since the SPR sales make the US economy look better than it is.

      imagine that, sell of one of the country’s biggest assets, and it gets short term benefit.

      otherwise, in some future year, the US military will be insisting that there should be a bigger SPR again.

  33. Fast Eddy says:

    And today’s task for the Doomies — Fast Eddy wants you to wash your clothes by hand…

    You need to boil the water using your store of firewood… and you can’t use the faucet for water… you’ll need to haul it up from the creek or walk to the creek and wash the clothes there…

    And no using the dryer … you’ll need to hang them… oh it’s cold they won’t try… well … hang them around the fire then.

    Let us know how long it takes

    • Ed says:

      Only underwear needs washing the rest can just air on the line.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Not if its filthy … everything in the laundry basket gets washed… its practice for post BAU… just to get a feel for it

        • lurker says:

          i must be a half-decent doomie, because i’ve gotten close to doing that in the past for a couple of years; exceptions being water was on tap (quite a big exception) and the washing machine was hooked up to a bike to make spinning the drum easier. can confirm that washing by hand is a pita, and clothes are less clean. the modern washing machine transforms a job that used to take a day week of manual labour to a few minutes moving clothes around.

          • Withnail says:

            The most important inventions of the last 100 years are the washing machine, gas/electric cooker and the vacuum cleaner.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Ok next task for those who passed the first test.

            Take your axe — find a tree 100m from your hovel — chop it down — split it — drag the wood to your storage shed…

            If you read books written by pioneers… their lives were brutal … and they were often on the verge of starvation.

            All I can say is .. don’t toss the Super Fent down the toilet – oh right there won’t be toilets that flush haha… but seriously Super Fent can cure The Cancer.

        • sciouscience says:

          Ed gets it. Exterior layer of garmentry is costume upon any expected laundering.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Living in filth and disease … on the verge of starvation … watching for bad guys to come rape and murder…. (then The Cancer .. The Sickness)

            But Little House on the Prairie didn’t depict such a grim situation.

            BTW – those suicide commercials.. it’s all about prepping for the Super Fent Moment…

            Conditioning the mob to not hesitate — as we get fed into the meat grinder… to reach for the jar…

            The Psych Team like the PR Team .. is the Best in the Business. No stones have been left unturned… they’ve got it all under control…

            Can you not feel what they are up to? Castrating masculinity — tipping over societal norms to disorient… encouraging suicide…. threatening oblivion with endless diseases… pounding the MORE-ONS into despair …

            And as always — offering a solution — Super Fent — and for the kids — Candied Super Fent… and for the pets Pet Super Fent….

      • wratfink says:

        Go commando…then nothing needs washed.

        Back in the day, the laundry wenches soaked the washing in tubs of urine to release the stains. Ammonia substitute.

  34. Lastcall says:

    I remember these creatures when I was at uni; shocking, ang7y, outcasts, unmanageable h8ters. Boy are they having their revenge now!

    ‘Wokery, you may have noticed, is also a “religion” dominated by women, and a particular strain of women: those left grossly disappointed by the promises of feminism in its several iterations, that is, the ideal of having brilliant careers minus family and children — producing an implacable, inchoate, and transmissible rage at the world and a fierce wish-to-punish others not so disposed to Woke dogma. So, it’s no surprise that so much of that dogma emanated from the humanities departments of the universities where such careerist feminist intellectuals flocked and marinated in their disappointments.’

    https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-four-fuckeries/

  35. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    My turn,….

    Young Crypto Founder Shocks Industry With Sudden Death at 30 in His Sleep
    Ellie Quinlan Houghtaling
    Sun, November 27, 2022 at 6:37 PM
    Tiantian Kullander, the influential young founder of cryptocurrency company Amber Group, died suddenly in his sleep on Nov. 23, the company confirmed.
    The group had just received a $3 billion valuation earlier this year, and was in the process of raising another $100 million—a meteoric success in which he played an integral role after launching Amber in 2017 with a group of finance insiders, including former Goldman Sachs Group Inc and Morgan Stanley workers.
    His meteoric rise continued, and in 2019 he earned a spot on the Forbes Under 30 list.

    “He put his heart and soul into the company, in every stage of its growth. He led by example with his intellect, generosity, humility, diligence and creativity,” the company wrote in a statement confirming his death on their website, commemorating him as a “devoted” husband and “loving” father.
    Further details surrounding Kullander’s death were unavailable—except for the fact he passed while asleep

    There’s more….
    Kullander is the second young crypto whiz to shock the industry with his death in recent weeks: On Oct. 28, 29-year-old Nikolas Mushegian, an early developer of MakerDAO, washed ashore on a Puerto Rican beach after an apparent drowning, just hours after tweeting about an alleged murder plot to take his life.

    Stay tuned more strange deaths likely to happen

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “He put his heart and soul into the company…”

      a fine play on words.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      my turn…

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/parenting/eric-the-trainer-dead-at-53/ar-AA14EJ73?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=081aaf72990e4318a49c8b7b0f7815ac

      “The fitness personality passed away unexpectedly at his home in Glendale, California, on Thursday morning.”

      ‘We are heartbroken to share…”

      another unexpected play on words! (see what I did there?)

      • I am getting tired of all of these “unexpectedly died” references, relating to young people in apparently good health. It does make a person wonder, however.

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          I do see your point.

          from my view, both personally and also media/globally, there has been an acceleration in the 2nd half of 2022, both “died unexpectedly” and “aggressive cancer”.

          I think I could easily post 10X the number that I do.

          it’s sad.

          and criminal.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            My tally is one friend dead from Turbo Cancer… another soon to go down with Lou Gehrig’s…

            Two friends with permanently f789ed hearts… one with blood clot in lungs…

            These are people I know well — I know of many more with severe injuries.

            Am I special – should I buy lotto tickets?

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Ya it’s banal .. kinda like mentioning the sky is blue over and over — except in China where you cannot usually see the sky cuz of the smog – ah I mean fog….

          But I must admit to experiencing feeling a boost of joy (different from a boost of rat juice)… when someone posts a link to a story of a young Celebrity or Athlete…

          The thing is … there are not that many celebrities or top athletes … so if quite a few of them are dropping … then if we Do the Numbers with respect to the general population … the injuries and deaths must be off the charts…

          Particularly the injuries — we can see excess deaths and attribute a lot of them to the injections but we don’t know the injury numbers

          Cuz… wait for it….

          They are not being attributed to the vax…

          Our only barometer is the celebs and athletes… cuz they make the news.. and we know that even though they claim It is Not the Vax — we know that it is cuz.. it is hahaha…

          Currently I am waking up and checking to see if any World Cup stars have gone down … heart attack would be acceptable but really … anything that puts them down on the pitch and brings the ambulance… that’s a win.

          Dontcha love that look of bewilderment on their faces? It’s like damn I’m a high performance machine … and I’ve had a heart attack… or a stroke … or a blood clot… WTF is going on? Searching for answers (but ruling out the vax)….

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Devastatingly awesome!!!

        Soo e.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Thanks that added a really bright moment to my day which so far has been spent whipper snipping grass and weeds.

  36. Mirror on the wall says:

    The German state considers the disappropriation of the Junker landowners in land reforms after WWII to be legally binding, irreversible, and final legal rulings have been issued to that effect.

    A few of them still had enough money to buy or lease back the old lands but most of them were skint and in no such position. Most of them got a job and got on with life, but a few still bear grudges and think that they are somehow entitled to what they already lost in WWII. Whatever.

    Germany has a profitable modern agricultural sector, and anyone who wants to buy shares can do so. ‘Hey, I am a junker now!’

    > Junker (Prussia)

    …. Bodenreform

    After World War II, during the communist Bodenreform (land reform) of September 1945 in the Soviet Occupation Zone, later East Germany, all private property exceeding an area of 100 hectares (250 acres) was expropriated, and then predominantly allocated to ‘New Farmers’ on condition that they continued farming them. As most of these large estates, especially in Brandenburg and Western Pomerania, had belonged to Junkers, the Socialist Unity Party of Germany promoted their plans with East German President Wilhelm Pieck’s slogan Junkerland in Bauernhand! (“Junker land into farmer’s hand!”).[16] The former owners were accused of war crimes and involvement in the Nazi regime by the Soviet Military Administration and the SED, with many of them being arrested, brutally beaten and interned in NKVD special camps (Speziallager), while their property was plundered and the manor houses demolished. Some were executed. Many women were raped.[17] From 1952 these individual farms were pressured by a variety of means to join together as collectives and incorporated into Landwirtschaftliche Produktionsgenossenschaften (“agricultural production comradeships”, LPG) or nationalised as Volkseigene Güter (“publicly owned estates”, VEG).

    After German reunification, some Junkers tried to regain their former estates through civil lawsuits, but the German courts have upheld the land reforms and rebuffed claims to full compensation, confirming the legal validity of the terms within the Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany (Two Plus Four Agreement) (and incorporated into the Basic Law of the Federal Republic), by which expropriations of land under Soviet occupation were irreversible. The last decisive case was the unsuccessful lawsuit of Prince Ernst August of Hanover in September 2006, when the Federal Administrative Court decided that the prince had no right to compensation for the disseized estates of the House of Hanover around Blankenburg Castle in Saxony-Anhalt. Other families, however, have quietly purchased or leased back their ancestral homes from the current owners[18] (often the German federal government in its role as trustee). A petition for official rehabilitation of the ousted landowners was rejected by the German Bundestag in 2008.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junker_(Prussia)

    • It seems like there have been many of these situations, in which the former owners were thrown out, and the land either collectivized, or given in small pieces to individual pieces to individual peasants. Neither approach has worked well.

      Collective property doesn’t seem to give enough incentive to the workers. Also, the likelihood is that it will produce less, rather than more, than the previous ownership arrangement with big landowners and hired workers. The exception might have been when the groups (such as religious groups) somehow collectively managed the property, figuring out which approaches would produce most for everyone. For example, I understand that when all animals could use the grass up high on mountains in the summer, it added to total production. If there is enough planning and everyone is working toward a common cause, (enough for everyone), perhaps this arrangement can work for a while, as long as population doesn’t rise too much. It is the rising population that makes the system fail. There isn’t enough output for the rising population.

      Dividing up the farmland into small plots loses economies of scale. Machines that might have been economic on a big farmer’s property are not economic on small plots. Production will drop dramatically.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        East German agriculture was soon mainly centralised into large LPG farms, and it worked fine with the introduction of modern technology and methods. It could be argued that outright capitalism generally works better at this stage of economic development, but I do not think that anyone is arguing that Soviet economics did not massively industrialize and develop the Russian and Soviet economy, including agriculture, from what it had been in pre-Soviet times.

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          * “East German agriculture was soon mainly centralised into large LPG farms”

          I should have said ‘collectivised’ into large farms. They were not run by the state but the state did indicate some preferred principles. Google for details.

      • drb753 says:

        Not necessarily. The small farmer distributes the manure. The big farmer (I have visited many 5000+ hectares places) creates terrible concentrations of manure in spots, and nothing on most of the land.

      • Student says:

        It is surely correct from economic point of view, but maybe more than with industries and services, if few people own all the land that drives people, who don’t have any land, to become extremely angry, suffered and unsatisfied towards ‘the lords of the land’.
        So, in my view, it is better to have a less efficient system, with people trying to arrange their lives with their private land instead of the opposite.
        People tend to have a certain minimal satisfation if they can grow their animals and a vegetable garden.
        Social harmony is an important aspect.

    • At that time what was remaining of Germany was not in a position to say no

      And even now.

      Only when Americans return to North America the true struggle for Europe will resume

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        If you want some land then the solution is simple, get a good job, make some money, maybe open a business, make some investments, be a personal success, and who knows, maybe one day you will be in a position to buy some land and open up a farm, if that is your heart’s desire.

        If you cannot do that, then no one is going to hand it to you on a plate, and the idea that they are is frankly laughable. Society might give you some support checks, but your social entitlement is not going to go beyond that.

        Beggars do not generally make much when they ask other people to support them. The idea that Europe is going to have a war just to get you a farm because you think that you are entitled to one and you cannot actually get one through the fruits of your own labour, is just barking.

        You make yourself out to be something grand, but it seems more likely that you are simply shameless. There is no entitlement in this world, and people generally get what they apply themselves to have. If mummy and daddy cannot give you a farm, then that is just too bad.

  37. Karl Wittfogel, who studied Asian civilization (he was even given a Chinese name, Wei Fu-gu, which means “Wei who Restores the Old Order” ), wrote his seminal work “Oriental Despotism: a Comparative Study of Total Power ” in 1957.

    He reasoned that because of the need to maintain huge water works in order to maintain irrigation, Asian regimes mostly turned into despotism , a similar phenomenon occurring in Africa and Latin America.

    Of course, China lovers like Joe Needham tried to chew Wittfogel up,but Wittfogel’s ideas have stood the test of time.

    If Nicholas von Salm had not been so determined to save Vienna from the Turks in 1529, one of the forgotten moments of history, Europe would have tasted the Oriental Despotism back then, although now London has someone who is seasoned in Oriental despotism to lead its govt.

    The way of using chemical processes to fuel civilization is not that old; it began in late 18th century. Before that it was mostly human and animal power which fueled Civilization, and the end of Bau means Wittfogel does get his wish of Restoring the Old Order, although he has been dead for some years.

    BAU temporarily stopped the ravages of the landowners, who had life and death power over the locals (remember that the chief landowner of the novel Emma, set in 1815, was also the local sheriff) but its retreat means the landowner’s days will be restored , as signified by Wittfogel’s Chinese name.

    Going back to the olden times of landowners is inevitable. There will be quite a lot of immigrants in the advanced countries to remember how to farm in the old ways. they will be used to rebuild the farms, just like the initial settlers in Virginia and Massachusetts used the Indians(I refuse to call them with their woke names) to get settled.

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    Everyone stand back… or you risk get sucked into the vortex…

    Fast Eddy was having a browse of this … and HIS 1500HP IQ ignited…

    https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/balenciaga-scandal-blows-open-portal

    This of course makes no sense… just as hacking off pieces of children… inviting mentally ill trannies to flash dance for children while parents clap and smile … makes no sense…

    So what is going on here?

    Then I thought of those photos of the dogs that Fauci was apparently involved in torturing …

    Where did the photos come from? They certainly elicit all sorts of emotions… they are powerful photos… Seems a bit odd though… what’s the point of taking them … then they get into some MSM outlets (RT.com…)…

    And we know the MSM is not about truth – it’s about controlling what we think.

    I smell fakery here

    What does all of these things have in common … I think they are purposed to trash the foundations of our society … to smash our moral grounding … to leave the MORE-ONS rudderless and confused…dismayed… not knowing which way is up or down anymore…

    Throw in the gender stuff — men have babies… men can compete against women in sports… women can have a vagine and a stitched on dick… WTF huh.

    We are looking at an unhingement of society … we torture dogs… we mutilate children … you the depravity — it’s now ‘normal’ behaviour….

    Me thinks the purpose of all of this is to make Extinction palatable .. let’s face it — this is a really f789ed up world … would it not be better to exit? Let it burn to the ground?

    Oh right they have death booths in Switzerland I think – you check in take some sort of rat juice then the trash collector empties them every morning

    And offing yourself is now an encouraged option … get a bit ahead of the curve… why wait for the UEP… Just Do It… feeling blue today — there’s a permanent solution for that … doctors will help you with that.

    • Very Far Frank says:

      Control through disintegration.

      The following has a very new age presentation, but the prophecies line up to what we’re seeing due to the energy situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQQL2xm4vhk

    • sciouscience says:

      They have to confuse the parents sufficiently so biological parenting cannot compete with socializing edu-doctrination then the natural spirited youthful rebellion can be culturally weaponized against not only the inherent unfairness of nuclear family structure but the life catalyst known as faith. They don’t think everyone goes extinct and they know the planet isn’t burning but they will keep generations in subterranean skinner box complex siphoning off only 7% of the generated energy making it just barely economically feasible for about 13 or so gods to run that show with the noblest intent of sorting through the gene pool and rearing more suitable sapiens to release back into the wild. Meanwhile the savage earth revolves around SOL and plants thrive. This human thing isn’t done yet, we will meet again but we wont recognize each other.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Hey remember the Black Mirror episode where they hooked people up to the stationary bikes and forced them to peddle to generate electricity?

        And the only way out for the females was to be chosen to be a p-or.n star?

        And the guy’s sweetheart opts to for the p-star job and ditches him?

        Is that what’s in store for the Un-Culled 2B?

        We are destined to be fed meth to keep our energy up and peddle away so George Soros’ TV has power and he will watch reruns of Friends on our juice?

        F7879 dat man… get the Super Fent ready.

        • sciouscience says:

          I am not gonna watch that thanks for the synopsis. I had heard good things re: Black Mirror but I cannot get into any video programming at all since Naudet and Bldg 7.

  39. Fast Eddy says:

    What Makes All Vaccines So Dangerous?

    https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/why-does-every-vaccine-often-cause

    The logical response :

    – never take another vaccine

    – do not attempt to convince others that they should follow your lead (they won’t anyway) cuz if they do have any benefit then if the herd injects they protect you haha…

    – actively ridicule anti vaxxers who try to turn pro vaxxers

    – laugh at the MORE-ONS who injected …behind their backs — or in the case of norm/dunc… you can laugh virtually on OFW – they will never get it anway

    Wanna Bet the Elders are not vaxxed? Come on – let’s bet!!!

  40. Fast Eddy says:

    Should we not applaud this — finally someone is trying to address the elephant in the room.

    What does Geeta the Misfit with the Mental Illness think?

    Surely she approves?

    https://twitter.com/MikhailaFuller/status/1597039051554828290

  41. Mirror on the wall says:

    Some in EU are complaining that USA is profiteering from high LNG prices and from arms sales destined for UKR. USA has been working toward this confrontation since the 2014 Maidan coup, and Europe is just a clueless patsy, so that is to be expected.

    There is little point in EU trying to ‘moralise’ its own supposed naivety, which is anyway weakness and not a strength or a basis for complaints and appeals. Geopolitical actors ‘deserve’ exactly what they actually get and nothing besides.

    The EU made its own decisions, and it is going to have to accept the consequences. EU chose to ‘sanction’ its major energy supplier, so now it has to pay more for shipped USA LNG. Anyone could see that coming.

    And now EU wants to play all upset and hard done by? ‘Give me a break!’

    > EU upset with US, all about money. NYT, NATO weapons running low. Bakhmut fall inevitable

    • Ed says:

      When TPTB explain to EU politicians, their spouses and children will die if they do not stick to the narrative, they are still free to whine and moan all they want.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I doubt it ever gets to sitting them down in a room and making them watch Zapruder… the message is loud and clear….

        And they get rewarded nicely with the perks of Club Membership — so why would they even think to go off the reservation?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Story time — early 90’s Fast is in a pub in Makati Manila… sitting at that bar… a man and his wife – clearly not from the slums… engage FE in conversation …

        They seem to like FE because they introduce their dotter and friends to FE… and they offer to FE to go bar hopping…

        These are well connected people – some of them are children of politicians… FE observes as they use that clout to get past queues in clubs … etc and so on … I suspect if we’d run down a few slum dwellers they’d slip a few bucks to the cop and flash their names and we’d drive away….

        In fact one of them — the daughter of a Senator — said to Fast why don’t you take a helicopter? (Fast was taking a bus to Baguio the next day)… while chatting with her Fast noticed a small old guy watching and says – is that your dad or something… no that’s my bodyguard — Fast says he doesn’t look like much I could take him… she says well ya – but he has a gun and more outside.

        Ahhhh… I knew then that scoring with her was not gonna happen…

        Anyhow the point of this is … they are in the club … FE got to see what that is like… it’s pretty cool … it’s no different the world over…why break the club rules? What’s the upside?

    • The speaker notes that a recent article says that the EU is feels that Biden Whitehouse is treating them badly financially. The US alone is benefiting from Project Ukraine.

      According to the person speaking, the US put the plan together, so the US should get the benefit. (In fact, they put the plan together back in 2014 at the time of the Crimea annexation.) The US is selling more gas at higher prices and they are selling more weapons. The US blew up Nord Stream I and II. How would the US have guessed that they could sell the EU more natural gas, at higher prices, as the result of these actions?

      Why would Senior European Officials guess that the US might want to make a profit from its LNG sales? Who would have guessed that LNG, shipped around the world, would be more expensive than pipeline natural gas, from next door? Who could have foreseen this?

      It was the evil Biden capitalists who benefited, like the Godfather. The poor Europeans should never have expected this outcome.

      Money is the whole issue. Member states are going to get whacked.

      Another article, from the New York Times: “The War in Ukraine Has Emptied Out the Weapon Stockpiles of Many of the Smaller European Countries.” These smaller countries also know that the weapons are likely to “go missing,” if they are sent. They also know that their voters don’t really want their governments to send all these weapons to Ukraine. Send humanitarian aid, if anything sent. Also, amounts are tiny. We are not really a part of this conflict, so we don’t want to send any more.

      A Guardian article asserts that Russia’s stocks of weapons, particularly missiles, is getting low. This isn’t true. Where is Russia getting all of its missiles? Putin announced that plants around Russia are producing all of these missiles. In fact, these plants, operating today, are giving a boost to the Russian economy.

      While Russia is using some old missiles, these missiles are simply decoys, so that Russians can spot where the Ukraine forces are located. This same approach has been used by the US military.

      NYT or Washington Post talking about Bakhmut. Talking about terrible losses on both sides. The fall of the city to Russia is inevitable, in the speaker’s view.

      Why is it now necessary to destroy stuff, when your soccer team wins? Why is the violence so high, today? Really ruined the victory of Morocco.


      In my opinion, the point about the US role in the outcome of the Ukraine war being planned is a good one. I know that US natural gas producers have wanted US natural gas prices higher for a long time. This could happen, if scarcity returns to the US natural gas market. If prices are high enough, it will make marginal wells profitable. More acreage can be drilled, allowing natural gas production to stay higher and more for everyone.

      • Fred says:

        Planned chaos for the EU methinks. Sure they’re globalist, climate change morons, but can the EU leaders really be that blind and stupid?

        Russia is again fulfilling its historical, sacred mission to dispose of Satanic N–i hordes. Territory, be it Bakhmut, Kherson, or wherever is secondary to that.

        Along the way NATO has kindly volunteered to de-militarise itself, whilst the EU de-industrialises and de-energises itself.

    • Fred says:

      I sometimes wonder if his partner Alexander Mercouris is vax injured. He’s been sniffling for ages and looks really grey. Quite a shock when I saw a picture of him from a while ago in comparison.

      Whilst he’s savvy about geopolitics, I doubt he’s switched on to the vax issue.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      “And now EU wants to play all upset and hard done by? ‘Give me a break!’”

      Exactly, Europe, the EU, and all the ‘big, hard, sensible or whatever’ states may need to face up to that the problem does not lie in the situation, or how they been treated, but in how they have themselves acted and allowed themselves to be treated.

      Self-criticism is always the hard one, and it is always much easier to blame other people for one’s own outcomes. As Mirror on the Wall would say, maybe the EU needs to take a good look at itself. The world is a rough place, and it owes no one a living, however prestigious they might think that they are.

      The only thing to do in that situation is to take personal responsibility for one’s own outcomes. ‘Moralism’ is just corny excuses of failures who ought to know better. Their ancestors stetch back billions of years, and evolution has presumably been honing itself to common sense, nous, all this time.

      We all live in the void, in the primordial sea, so there is really no excuse for naivety, protest or ‘moralistic’ claims. You have to pull yourself together, and make sensible decisions or you have no one to blame but yourself. Thus spake Mirror.

  42. Saint Ewart says:

    Less than an hour to go before peak demand in the the U.K., on a relatively mild evening. Wind is tracking solar output right now, supplying a fraction of a gW. 1.1% of demand. An embarrassment unlike recent blowy days. France is having to step up with a couple of gW’s (though they’re receiving about 7 from Germany!.)

    Gas in the combined cycle or the (inefficient) closed cycle spinning units has the only capacity available. Not much of a buffer left , hope nobody switches anything on when they get home from work. One of these days, and it won’t be long, it will break. They are still building flats on the old gasometer sites round here. But it’s not cold enough today, too much maritime influence, especially compared to ‘say’ the steppe. Wouldn’t want to be there now. Bet they wished they hadn’t bombed Donbas power stations for all those years.

    http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    • Thanks for your on-the-ground report. At this time of year, there is at least a little natural gas in storage that might be able to fill in part of the UK gap, I would hope. Of course, no matter how full storage is, the withdrawal rate is limited by other factors, including pipeline capacity for delivery of this gas.

    • glad you’ve hit the real scary button Saint Ewart

      and we’re not even in December yet

  43. Speaking about Peterloo, the landowners organized a cavalry of 1,500 , many of then veterans of Waterloo who were NOT given a pension; they became soldiers of fortune , hired by the landowners who were the only kind of people who could maintain horses.

    They had no qualms charging into a crowd of unarmed civilians, including John Lees, a Waterloo veteran.

    That is how the world after BAU will work. Landowners will have no trouble destroying any number of people they don’t need.

  44. Tolkien’s Return of King, written in 1955, is really about his desire to see Order, as he experienced in South Africa where he was born, returned to the world and everything he had seen in the 20th century all reversed as if nothing had happened.

    In the book, Frodo , a hobbit, does most of the work to restore the Old Order back to where it was. He restores Aragorn, the last survivor of the old order, back to the Throne.

    And what did Aragorn gave to Frodo? Nothing.

    Frodo was not given a land, a wife, a title, even a gift. Nothing.

    Wounded from his many fights, Frodo is sent away to Valinor, which is like the Valhalla in Norse mythology. In other words, Frodo is sent away to somewhere because he is about to die – he is not even allowed to die around his friends. He would die alone in a strange land, attended by nobody, his story buried by Aragorn who will create a new mythology sans the lowly hobbits.

    It would have been much better if Frodo became the King, Gollum or no Gollum, for his own future.

    Tolkien has essentially made a fool of those who die for the Owners; they will be given no rewards, and when they are about to die, they will be thrown away like the Horse in the Animal Farm who ends up in a glue factory.

    • Very Far Frank says:

      Tolkien himself said he hates metaphor, and LOTR is not metaphorical or an allegory. Simply a story. If you were to ascribe a lesson to it, rather than rather weak sauce you’ve come up with, it would be: ‘even the very small can change the world in ways no one would expect.’

      • And these morons, like the Irish soldier at Hougomont who closed the barn door and was a pauper by 1818, or John Lees, who was both at Waterloo and Peterloo(where he was eventually killed), die unremembered, with no reward.

        Typical British attitude to the little people, who are so accustomed to be treated this way that they don’t even murmur.

        • Very Far Frank says:

          How many rank and file Chinese soldiers that died in battles gone by does China remember?

          It’s the same everywhere. Memory is a luxury afforded by society to those society deems valuable.

    • Withnail says:

      What the Ents do to Isengard is what the trees will do to our cities when we are gone. Rip the buildings apart with their roots. Tear up the paving slabs.

      Nothing is stronger than the forest in the end. We only clear the trees temporarily.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      If time were set back to when?

      When the British Empire already had global hegemony, had an industrial revolution, and Germans were desperately trying to ditch feudalism with its landowners, industrialise and to play catch up?

      History would still have proceeded in exactly the same way as it did, and we would still end up precisely here. There is no imaginary world with a different course of events from the actual one.

      You would still be here whining because the Russians turfed you out, and boasting about how ‘eternal’ you are as a landowner nevertheless (lol).

      You were the ones who got booted out with nothing as a reward, and now you are just a ‘pleb’ the same as everyone else.

      Maybe you need to put down the sci-fi and take a good hard look at reality?

      Your grandparents should have given you lessons in how to adapt to reality, but they were incapable of that. So here we are.

    • Herbie Ficklestein. says:

      Now that was funny! I’m set to do one myself on my 65th Birthday…a “virtual” Marathon….looking forward to having the same and laugh it off Yorkie!
      If I have one of those big ones, I will definitely post it here if I survive!

      Oh, if you think that is funny…this is even funnier..what to do with all the vacant buildings in China? Let them house Pigs!

      China builds 26-storey ‘pig skyscraper’, experts warn of disease outbreak risks
      Published on Nov 26, 2022 04:03 PM IST Guardian
      China: The ‘pig skyscraper’ has been made to meet China’s demand for pork, the most popular animal protein in the country, Guardian reported.
      China: The new skyscraper-sized farm began production at the start of October.
      The ‘pig skyscraper’ has been made to meet China’s demand for pork, the most popular animal protein in the country, Guardian reported. The new skyscraper-sized farm began production at the start of October when the company behind the facility – Hubei Zhongxin Kaiwei Modern Farming – admitted its first 3,700 sows into the farm.
      The company has said that it originally planned to invest in ready-to-cook food production, but that it changed its mind. Jin Lin, the general manager of the company, has said that the company saw modern agriculture as a promising sector and an opportunity to use its own construction materials to build the pig farm.
      The pig farm has two buildings and behind the operational site, an identical-looking building of equal scale is nearing completion. When fully running, they will provide a combined area of 800,000 square metres of space, with the capacity for 650,000
      4 billion yuan (£473m) farm has gas, temperature and ventilation-controlled conditions, with animals fed through more than 30,000 automatic feeding spots.
      However, experts said large-scale intensive farms increased the likelihood of ever-bigger disease outbreaks.
      “Intensive facilities can reduce interactions between domesticated and wild animals and their diseases, but if a disease does get inside they can break out between animals like wildfire,” Matthew Hayek, an assistant professor in environmental studies at New York University told the Guardian

      Suppose they have vaccine for that! Thanks to Climate and Economy.Harry’s website

  45. When BAU ends, the landowners will launch a huge reprisal over everything which happened in the last 200 years or so.

    They will cull most of their tenants, punish those who slighted them and will spent nothing on the welfare of those who are not related to them.

    Emily Bronte’s Wuthering Heights is a gothic tale of fall and rise of a family who owned a huge tract of land somewhere in the Midlands of England.

    The Earnshaws were the landowner family and they treated the tenants cruelly, although no more cruel than the average norm of the day. Heathcliff, an orphan they adopted as a servant, takes over the family because Hindley, the current landowner, was a wastrel. Heathcliff introduces some reforms which makes the tenants’ lives somewhat easier.

    Heathcliff’s heir dies, and he didn’t know what to do with his ex lover’s daughter who was married to the heir before the latter died. Heathcliff had kept Hindley’s son Hareton as a servant , as a revenge for HIndley mistreating Heathcliff, but now Hareton began to plot against Heathcliff to restore the land for the Earnshaws.

    In the end, Heathcliff is confined in his room by his ex lover’s daughter, where he dies. Hareton promptly marries the girl, inherits the property and restores all the oppression his father did to the tenants, leaving Heathcliff’s house and tomb fall in disrepair. It is not said explicitly on the book, but it is very probable that Hareton will let his wife, who had been married to Heathcliff’s heir (therefore the property he now has is from Heathcliff, not from his father), die in childbirth (preferably with the baby) so he can once again claim he is the undisputed owner of the property. (Incidentally that’s what happened to Emily Bronte’s older sister Charlotte whose husband had her die in that way so he ended up with all of the Bronte’ copyrights.)

    That is how the old order is restored. The Restoration of the Old Order, with BAU and everything associated falling, will be very cruel, very harsh and very extreme.

    • Vern Baker says:

      Thanks for the summary. I had always wondered what the book was about. I suppose a music video of Kate Bush dancing in a red dress would be an apropos add at this point.

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