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The problem is hitting limits in the extraction of fossil fuels
We know that historically, many economies around the world have collapsed. We also know that there is a physics reason why this happens. Growing economies require a growing supply of energy to keep up with a growing population. At some point, the energy supply and other resource needs cannot grow rapidly enough to keep up with population growth. When this happens, economies tend to collapse.
In their book Secular Cycles, researchers Peter Turchin and Sergey Nefedov found that economies tend go through four distinct phases in each cycle, with each stage lasting for quite a few years:
- Growth
- Stagflation
- Crisis
- Inter-cycle
Based on my own analysis, the world economy was in the Growth Stage for much of the time between the Industrial Revolution and 1973. In late 1973, oil prices spiked, and the world was put on notice that the energy supply could not continue rising as rapidly as in the past. Between 1973 and 2018, the world economy was in the Stagflation Stage. Based on current data, the world economy seems to have entered the Crisis Stage about 2018. This is the reason for saying that headwinds are beginning to hold the economy back in the title of this article .
When the Crisis Stage occurs, there are fewer goods and services per capita to go around, so some participants in the world economy must come out behind. Conflict of all kinds becomes more likely. Political leaders, if they happen to discover the predicament the world economy is in, have little interest in making the predicament known to voters, since doing so would likely lead them to lose the next election.
Instead, the way the physics-based self-organizing economic system works is that alternative narratives that frame the situation in a less frightening way gain popularity. Political leaders may not even be aware of how dependent today’s economy is on fossil fuels. Researchers may not be aware that their “scientific” models are misleading because they look at too small a portion of the overall system and make unwarranted assumptions.
In this post, I show evidence that the economy is reaching energy limits. In the last section, I explain how my view differs from the standard narrative, which says that there is almost an unlimited amount of fossil fuels available to burn, if we choose to utilize these fossil fuels. According to this view, humans can prevent climate change by voluntarily moving away from fossil fuels.
The standard narrative proposes a reasonable plan for citizens of parts of the world without adequate fossil fuels (cut back on buying fossil fuels), but without telling citizens what the real problem is. The standard narrative also gives the impression that there is a near-term clean energy alternative. In my opinion, this is wishful thinking for the reasons I describe in Sections [6] and [7]. Section [2] also sheds light on the reasonableness of moving to renewable energy.
[1] The world has been warned, at least twice, that collapse might occur about now.
Back in the 1950s, several physicists, including M. King Hubbert, became interested in the limits that the world was up against. The military became interested in the problem, as well. In 1957, Admiral Hyman Rickover of the US Navy gave a very insightful speech. One thing Admiral Rickover said was, “With high energy consumption goes a high standard of living.” Another thing he said was, “A reduction of per capita energy consumption has always in the past led to a decline in civilization and a reversion to a more primitive way of life.”
Regarding the future, he said,
For it is an unpleasant fact that according to our best estimates, total fossil fuel reserves recoverable at not over twice today’s unit cost are likely to run out at some time between the years 2000 and 2050, if present standards of living and population growth rates are taken into account.
The issue Admiral Rickover is pointing out is that as extraction costs rise, fossil fuels become increasingly unaffordable. If citizens cannot afford food, housing, and other basic goods made with high-cost fossil fuels, those fossil fuels will be left in the ground. If politicians try to pass the high cost of extraction on to consumers, it will cause inflation. Citizens will become unhappy with politicians and will vote them out of office. This is basically our problem today.
A second analysis that pointed to the current time frame for the world hitting fossil fuel limits is given in the 1972 book, The Limits To Growth by Donella Meadows and others. This analysis used computer modeling to look at several alternative future scenarios, considering resources available and population trends. The base scenario showed resource limits in general hitting sometime around 2020. The economy would collapse over a period of years after resource limits were hit.
[2] The Industrial Revolution in England is an example of how an economy changes for the better when fossil fuel energy is added.
Figure 1 shows a chart E. A. Wrigley shows in his book, Energy and the English Industrial Revolution:
Wrigley observes that when coal was added to the economy, it was possible to make far more metal tools than had been made in the past. With the use of metal tools instead of wood tools, farmers could be three times as productive. Thus, there didn’t need to be as many farmers, freeing some farmers for other occupations. Also, roads to coal mines were paved, in an era when few roads were paved. These paved roads were beneficial to other businesses and to the economy as a whole.
Another reason for coal to be of interest was because of increased deforestation near cities, as the population grew. This deforestation led to a need to transport firewood over long distances. Coal was more compact, and so easier to transport. Furthermore, the use of coal prevented having to cut down as many trees, helping the environment.
Figure 1 shows that energy from wind and water were only a tiny part of the economy, both before and after coal was added. They did not directly provide heat energy, which was a significant share of what the economy needed at that time.
[3] The period between the end of World War II and 1973 was another period when energy consumption per capita was rising rapidly. We might say the economy then had an “energy tailwind.”
Figure 2 shows that US energy consumption per capita was rising rapidly in the 1949 to 1973 period. Growing oil, coal and natural gas consumption all contributed to the overall rise in fossil fuel use.
In fact, BP data (only available from 1965 onward) shows energy consumption per capita rising for most parts of the world between 1965 and 1973. During this period, oil, coal and natural gas consumption per capita were all rising.
A major thing that pushed oil consumption along was its low price (Figure 4). According to BP data, the inflation-adjusted price was only $11.99 per barrel in 1970. In 1971, it averaged $14.30 per barrel. The comparable price today is about $79 per barrel.
The average price for 1973 rose to the equivalent of $19.73 per barrel, which is still incredibly low relative to today’s prices. It is an annual average price, reflecting a low price at the beginning of the year and a much higher price toward the end of the year.
There were multiple issues behind the rise in oil prices, starting at the end of 1973. Part of the problem was the fact that US oil production began to fall in 1971, necessitating the use of more imported oil, year after year. Another issue was that world oil production could not keep up with the high demand, given the low price that oil was selling for. The Office of the Historian of the US writes the following:
By 1973, OPEC had demanded that foreign oil corporations increase prices and cede greater shares of revenue to their local subsidiaries. In April, the Nixon administration announced a new energy strategy to boost domestic production to reduce U.S. vulnerability to oil imports and ease the strain of nationwide fuel shortages. That vulnerability would become overtly clear in the fall of that year.
Without higher oil prices, it would be hard for local producers to make the investments needed to ramp up production. Also, taxes for governments in the areas where the oil was produced were falling too low, given the low prices that oil was selling for on the international market. Indirectly because of these problems, but supposedly also because of support for Israel by certain countries in the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, the Arab members of OPEC initiated an oil embargo. This embargo cut off exports to the US, Netherlands, Portugal, and South Africa from November 1973 until March 1974. It was at that time that world oil prices rose to a much higher level, and oil consumption per capita began to fall.
One thing that is striking about the period between World War II and 1973 is the huge advances in wages made by both the bottom 90% and the top 10% (Figure 5).
Between 1948 and 1968, inflation-adjusted income of both the bottom 90% and the top 10% increased by roughly 80%. This meant that many people in the bottom 90% could afford to buy cars and their own homes for the first time. Even in the period between 1968 and 1982, inflation-adjusted incomes kept up with inflation, something that low-income earners today have difficulty with. It was not until after about 1982 that wage disparity started to increase.
Most people remember the 1950s and 1960s as a favorable period for ordinary workers. Because of the higher wages of ordinary citizens and growing US manufacturing capabilities, the number of cars registered in the US rose from 25.8 million in 1945 to 75.3 million in 1965. The US initiated the 41,000 mile Interstate Highway System in 1956, so that auto owners would have multilane, limited access roads to travel on.
Electricity was sold in a conservative way, called the Utility Pricing System, which would hopefully assure that the whole system would be properly maintained. Utilities were typically owners of electricity generation units, plus all other local infrastructure, including transmission lines. Each utility would compute a total required rate for all its needs, including enough funds to install new generating capacity, provide fuel, and install and maintain transmission lines. A government regulator would approve the rates, but there was no real competition.
[4] In the period between 1973 and 2018, many changes were to increase energy efficiency and to lower the perceived cost to users. Unfortunately, some of these changes, when taken to the extremes they were taken to later in the period, tended to make the economy brittle and thus more subject to collapse.
Up until 1973, oil was being put to uses for which substitution could easily be made. One of these was electricity generation; another was home heating. An easy change in electricity generation was to build new generating facilities using an alternate fuel (coal, natural gas, or nuclear). Home heating could often be changed to natural gas or electricity.
Also, Japan already had automobiles that were smaller and more fuel efficient than American automobiles. These could be substituted for some of the large cars produced in the US.
Especially with the Reagan and Thatcher administrations starting shortly after 1980, there was more interest in cutting costs in electricity generation. “Competitive rating” instead of utility rating became popular in places where electricity prices were high. Utilities were broken up, and the various parts were encouraged to compete.
Of course, competitive rating, when taken to its extreme, can lead to the neglect of infrastructure. It was recently reported that California’s utility company, Pacific Gas and Electric, now finds that it must raise $50 billion for wildfire prevention, after years of neglecting maintenance on the long distance transmission lines used for hydroelectric generation and other long distance transmission. Now it needs to raise money to bury many of these lines underground.
It has long been known that added complexity can be helpful in working around problems of inadequate energy supply. Complexity involves many things including using more advanced technology and international trade. It involves bigger organizations to take advantage of economies of scale. It tends to require higher education for at least some of its workers.
One major disadvantage of growing complexity is the increasing wage disparity it tends to produce. Wages for less educated workers often fall quite low. Work in whole industries may disappear overseas, leaving workers to start over, in new lines of work, at lower pay scales.
Unfortunately, having many workers at low wages tends to push an economy toward collapse. The big issue is that these workers cannot afford goods like cars and new homes. Their lack of purchasing power tends to hold down commodity prices, such as the price of fossil fuels. Prices don’t rise high enough to justify new investment to raise production, so production slows down and eventually stops.
Another approach that gained popularity starting about 1981 was the increased use of debt and more exotic financial approaches. Interest rates were very high in 1981. Central banks could make monthly payments for goods such as homes and cars more affordable by lowering interest rates. This approach works for a while, but it reaches limits when interest rates fall too low relative to inflation rates. Furthermore, if an economy slows down, a major increase in debt defaults becomes likely, as became clear in 2008. With the high level of debt in the world economy today, the default problem could become even worse in 2023 or 2024 than it was in 2008, if the economy slows again.
[5] Since 2015, oil and natural gas investments have remained at low levels because oil prices have not been high enough to justify drilling in the remaining places.
In my opinion, oil companies really need quite high oil prices, probably $120 per barrel or higher, on a consistent basis, to justify drilling in sufficient new locations to ramp up oil production. Since 2014, prices have generally remained far below that level. There was a major drop in oil prices in 2014 and 2015. In response to the lower oil prices, oil and gas companies cut back on investment in “Exploration and Production” (E&P). (Figure 7)
After a drop in E&P investments, oil production does not drop immediately. Instead, 2018 was the single highest year of oil production. Production looks likely to drop further because of the continued lack of investment (Figure 8).
[6] If we look across the major types of energy supply, we discover that “Wind and Solar” is the only category rising significantly faster than world population. Others tend to be flat or falling, on a per capita basis.
In Figure 9, the star performer is the category “Wind + Solar.” The main attraction of wind and solar today is the subsidies they get, and the mandates that require utilities to move away from fossil fuels. Unfortunately, wind and solar really aren’t terribly helpful as far as I can see, except from the point of view of the benefit of the subsidies they provide.
One of the problems with intermittent wind and solar is that they tend to drive nuclear electricity providers out of business because of the favorable rates they receive when wind and solar are allowed to go first, in competitive rating schemes. With this arrangement, the wholesale rates that nuclear providers receive often fall to negative amounts. Nuclear providers cannot close down for short periods with negative rates, so they tend to need subsidies to remain open. Figure 9 shows that the supply of nuclear electricity has been dropping since at least 2001. In fact, of all the energy types shown on Figure 9, nuclear’s production (relative to population) is dropping fastest.
In my opinion, our primary energy concern should be food production and transport. Diesel, made from oil, is the major fuel for agriculture. It will be decades before farming machinery and transport of food can be changed over to electricity, assuming this can be done at all. Until this happens, electricity’s role in getting food to the shelves of grocery stores will be limited.
Solar energy comes primarily in the summer but, unfortunately, in many places, the big need for heat energy is in the winter. People in Europe, with their many wind turbines and solar panels, are worried about possibly freezing in the dark this winter if natural gas supplies prove inadequate. We don’t have batteries for storing solar or wind energy for months on end, so they cannot be counted on for winter heat.
When homeowners put solar panels on their roofs, the electricity they sell to the utility is often “net metered” (credited with the full retail value of electricity that this home would pay). This is a huge subsidy to the owners of the solar panels because the value of the intermittent electricity to the utility is far less than this, probably closer to the cost of the natural gas or other fuel saved.
To make up for the loss of revenue caused by the overly generous compensation to solar panel owners, the utility is forced to raise rates for those without solar panels. Studies show that homeowners with solar panels tend to be wealthier than the renters and others who do not have the opportunity to add these subsidized solar panels. Thus, this is an example of a benefit for rich homeowners being paid for by less wealthy buyers of electricity.
I would also argue that the BP data I used to produce Figure 9 tends to give an overly optimistic view of the value of wind and solar. The approach used indirectly assumes that they fully replace the entire system of dispatchable electricity used today, rather than providing only intermittent electricity. The less generous approach (giving a little less than half as much credit) is used by the International Energy Association and by many researchers.
Furthermore, solar panels tend to pollute ground water when they are disposed of, so they are not very clean. Wind turbines are noisy, take up farmland, and kill bats and birds, so they have serious drawbacks as well.
Wind and solar are made and transported using fossil fuels. They cannot last any longer than today’s fossil fuel industry. In fact, roads and transmission lines require fossil fuels to continue. The whole system is likely to go down at approximately the same time.
It seems to me that the main reason why we hear so much about intermittent wind and solar is because there needs to be a hopeful narrative for politicians to provide to voters, and for educators to provide to students. Otherwise, the situation shown on Figure 9 looks grim. The fact that fossil fuel prices have been spiking in 2022 and regulators are trying to get these prices back down again is testimony to the fact that we are running short of cheap-to-produce fossil fuel energy.
[7] The incorrect narrative provided by mainstream media (MSM) is that climate change is our worst problem. To lessen this problem, citizens need to move quickly away from fossil fuels and transition to renewables. The real narrative is that we are running short of fossil fuels that can be profitably extracted, and renewables are not adequate substitutes. However, this narrative is too worrisome for most people to handle.
I expect most readers will say, your view can’t be right. We don’t read this story in the news. All we hear about is climate change and the need to reduce fossil fuel usage to prevent climate change.
In many ways, the narrative presented by MSM is less frightening to the public than a narrative in which fuels are already being stretched too thin. The MSM narrative sounds like a situation that we can perhaps live with and work around. It sounds like careers that people study for today will be useful in the future. It also sounds like homes, cars and factories built today will be useful in the future.
One major difference in the MSM view, relative to my view, is with respect to the amounts of fossil fuels that can be extracted. The standard narrative says we will extract all the fossil fuels that we have the technology to extract unless we make a concerted effort not to extract these fuels. For this to happen, demand (a favorite word of economists) must keep rising to keep prices high enough for businesses to want to continue extraction from fields plagued by depletion.
History shows that when an economy approaches limits, what tends to happen is that demand tends to fall too low. This happens because the physics of the way the economy works: Wage and wealth disparities tend to spike as energy resources are increasingly stretched thin. In fact, the great wealth of the top 1%, relative to that of the remaining 99%, is a major problem in the world today. When increasing wage and wealth disparity occurs, a growing number of poor workers find themselves with inadequate wages to buy food, homes, cars and other goods made with commodities, including oil.
There are so many of these poor workers that their lack of demand tends to bring down commodity prices without government intervention. If these low wages are not sufficient to hold down commodity prices, politicians will raise interest rates to try to get commodity prices down, so they can be re-elected. It is low fossil fuel prices that will drive fossil fuel providers out of business.
Of course, another part of the MSM narrative is the view that renewables can save the system. I explained in Section [6] why this cannot be the case for wind and solar. I didn’t say much about hydroelectricity, but it is already built out in most of the developed world. Electricity from hydroelectric plants tends to be intermittent, with the greatest supply coming in the spring, when snow melts. Like wind and solar, hydroelectric generation plants are built and repaired using fossil fuels. These facilities, and their transmission lines, will last only until parts break that cannot be repaired.
HAVE YOU SEEN SIGNIFICANT ONGOING HEALTH DECLINE IN YOUR VACCINATED FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES?
Are you seeing chronic unwellness?
Immune issues?
Constant reinfections with covid or bacterial infections?
Please share what you are seeing, and contrast their health state to their pre covid vaccination health status
https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/constant-illness-pandemic-of-the/comments
hahaha… as expected… see the comments
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Russia and China are ramping up their energy partnership. If Europe does not want Russian energy, then no one is forcing them to take it – all the more for everyone else – but good luck finding any replacement.
https://www.dailysabah.com/business/energy/putin-inaugurates-key-siberian-gas-field-for-china-exports
> Putin inaugurates key Siberian gas field for China exports
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday inaugurated the Kovykta natural gas field in eastern Siberia that will allow Russia to increase its exports to China amid soaring tensions between Moscow and the West.
“We are launching the unique Kovykta field, the largest in Eastern Siberia,” Putin said during a televised ceremony, adding that it will “give a serious boost to the development” of Russia’s eastern regions.
Through the launch of a new gas field that holds recoverable reserves of 1.8 trillion cubic meters Russia aims to shift gas exports to the east as the European Union cuts reliance on Russian energy in response to the war in Ukraine.
Putin hailed it as a “significant event” for Russia’s energy industry and the whole economy. He joined a video link to workers at the site, who were shown lined up on the snow in blue protective suits and white helmets, and gave the order “Start work!” to inaugurate the project.
Russia started selling natural gas to China at the end of 2019 via the Power of Siberia pipeline, which supplied about 10 billion cubic meters (bcm) of gas in 2021 and is due to reach its full capacity of 38 bcm in 2025.
In February, Putin reached an agreement to sell an additional 10 bcm of gas to China from Russia’s Far East through a new, smaller pipeline to China’s northeast.
Russia also plans to construct another major pipeline, the Power of Siberia 2, via Mongolia with a view to selling an additional 50 bcm of gas per year.
Putin said last week the projects would allow Russia to boost its gas sales to China to 48 bcm annually by 2025 and to 88 bcm by 2030.
Russia and China switched to national currencies in their natural gas trade in November, implementing a deal they signed earlier in September.
Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev made a surprise visit to China on Wednesday for talks with President Xi Jinping, which Medvedev said had included a discussion of the “no limits” strategic partnership that the two countries announced in February.
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FE, et al, Vaccine is done.. COVID is not done…. in the next couple of months (assuming no financial blow up first), no one will ever remember vaccines.This vaccine thing is dead… Nothing will be said or mentioned in the news. No one will say anything. Maybe FB will delete all the old posts on pro-vaxxers pushing them.
So that no one will ever connect SADS, 15-year-old having myocarditis to the vaccine.Maybe they will link them to klimate change
Seems too “good” to be a coincidence. Even China is dropping the smartphone scanning thing now…
They actually did try to link SADS and clots to climate change / heatstroke. It got a lot of ridicule on social media and they pulled that narrative.
but eddy still needs something to comment about
don’t give up on covid just yet
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Reposting a comment from ZH, emphasis (**) mine:
“Fossil fuels are relatively finite but with the whole of jupiter and saturn basically made out of methane which is clearly not therefore an “organic” chemical and with old soviet research showing abiotic oil a real liklihood…. ***THE biggest scam is convincing everyone that oil is in short supply***….. We use a fkg 100 M barrels of the ahit a day and have done for decades.”
ZH commenters are predictably disappointing. Like, if oil is so plentiful, why did we move from conventional drilling to fracking? Sheesh. Gail’s efforts are wasted on that crowd. You can bring a horse to water, but …
It is not possible to get a very high percentage of the world population on board with the ideas I write about. Most would much prefer a happily ever after story.
There is zero upside to getting them onside.
Yes sigh that is the right wing crowd I have heard that many times… they think ofw is a leftist website with a bunch of left wing nut jobs commenting…. The flip side is the other side pushing climate change and this “new technology “ called fusion!! It’s going to save the planet!
I am not sure what Fast Eddy is – definitely not right or left wing…
Pure Thought?
Does anyone know if space methane/fuels would be usable for manufacturing if it would be brought back to earth? One argument I’ve seen against abiotic oil is that there’s many different types of oil of various carbon chain lengths which make it possible to manufacture a wide variety of products by distilling it. If it were possible to somehow transport space fuels back to earth would it be less useful than the fuels found on earth for making all those things we want if it’s all the same carbon length? I know very little about this subject.
As much as I know it is possible and done but at cost of loosing a lot of energy, roughly 30%. The chemical and technical knowledge is for sure not the problem. Also hydrogen can be transformed into the usual gasoline.
I guess it is not possible to transport methane from other planets. It would be more efficient to transport the distilled gasoline. But for me it is unthinkable. Each shuttle had to withstand the atmospheric pressure and gravity. The long travel would require a train of shuttles, that are occupied during the long travel. Do we have enough materials for that? I guess it would be easier to live on a ship close to the methane planet. Some folks occupied with Youp**n and VT would not recognise the difference! But where do they get the replacement parts from? How long does such a ship last, if it does not dip into atmosphere and gravity? What about the next 20 generations?
If we transported methane to earth what would that mean for the balance of powers being dependent on the imports?
A bit off topic: Buildings constructed the old way last 1200 years if maintained the old way: cut out the damaged log, shape an exact copy and replace it precisely. The basic structure lasts. Modern buildings are calculated for 100 to 200 years. Houses from the 40s need huge investments but of course also to meet current standards. We don’t wanna mention the footprint of the old compared to the new construction methods!
energy use costs money
the point about fetching stuff from ‘space’ is affordability.
the cost of of it would be, quite literally, astronomic in earth-use terms— the products made from such sources would be unaffordable to anyone living on earth
Even if it could be brought to earth for free it sounds like it’s of limited use. We have serious problems with other resources and waste products.
It is not possible. The payload would be 0%. Not to mention that the spacecraft would be arriving at the Earth’s orbit at 12 km/sec or more. how do you decelerate that thing for docking?
This article made it to zerohedge.
No like. Top comment:
Abiotic and not a fossil. Hmmmmm
Ok if so what’s the replenishment rate?
Do the the tectonic plates need to do an extinction like movement?
Remember those cytokine storms?
That dietary advice about switching to polyunsaturated oils was more rubbish from the medical system..’Due to decades of widespread misinformation that saturated fats are unhealthy, the intake of unsaturated fats, especially in the form of N-6 rich seed oils has significantly increased in modern diets.’…from 1:1 to 20:1 polyunsaturated : monosaturated.
No doubt the factory foods of the future will be full of poly-unsaturates; because Climbing Chinge don’t you know.
‘OMNS (Jan. 22, 2022) Cytokine storm has recently been recognized as the key pathology responsible for the severe symptoms of Covid-19 and other viruses and non-viral agents. The underlying biochemical cause of cytokine storm is excessive oxidative stress. Cytokine storm and its associated oxidative stress appears to be a universal non-specific mechanistic pathway common among many causative agents, for example viruses, that leads to severe clinical disease.
Due to decades of widespread misinformation that saturated fats are unhealthy, the intake of unsaturated fats, especially in the form of N-6 rich seed oils has significantly increased in modern diets. [91-93] Although both N-3 and N-6 are essential fatty acids, N-6 PUFA has a pro-inflammation effect, while N-3 PUFA is anti-inflammatory. The N-6 to N-3 fatty acid ratio has increased significantly from a ratio of ~1:1 during prehistoric evolution to 20:1 or even higher in recent decades. The increased N6/N3 ratio has been found to be correlated with various chronic diseases. [39,91,93,94] Although the recent abnormally high N6/N3 ratio may not have a direct impact on LPCR and cytokine storm, the increased total PUFA in our body is a setup for potentially more explosive LPCR. These PUFAs are enriched in cell membranes [95] which allows the membranes to be more readily attacked by the free radicals. This happens especially in a cytokine storm, with a huge outburst of free radicals in a short period of time, which overwhelms the antioxidant capacity of cells, leading to the initiation and propagation of the lipid peroxidation chain reaction. This increase of dietary N-6 PUFA intake is especially found among those with metabolic diseases such as diabetes. [91-93] This may explain why patients with metabolic diseases are prone to severe Covid-19 diseases with a high risk of multiorgan failure and mortality.
https://www.life-enthusiast.com/articles/cytokine-storm/
People take fish oil pills to try to get the N6/N3 ratio up. I would think that that would help somewhat.
It actually helps very little. Much better to minimize polyunsaturated fats, which minimizes O6 without harming your O3 intake, that is, a carnivore diet.
Women in Japan have the longest life expectancies in the world, unless things have changed recently. They eat a whole lot of fish, rice and greens. They also get a lot of exercise walking. Something in that combination seems to work. Japanese men tend to smoke. Their life expectancy is lower.
Modern food contains huge amounts of carbonates, sugar and flour, which is an industry requirement. The recommended intake leads to a processing of glucose involving huge amounts of insulin. Hunter gatherers probably had a metabolism based on ketones, which come into play eating meat, fat, nuts and vegetables. The usual studies rely on people with a high intake of carbonates. If you switch to a Keto diet I am not sure any ratios need to be met. Perhaps there would be a minimal intake level of Omega-3. The rest is just ‘burned’.
The classical recommendation since Roman times is to use olive oils (virgine, nativ), perhaps lineseed oil could be a replacement. There are huge efforts done by the industry to popularize rape seed oil. Alledgedly it meets the perfect ratio. Don’t forget that rape seed oil has been digestable just for a few years since new cultivations had been available.
The usual provision of vitamins and minerals, including iodine, are too low. Without supplements it is necessary to eat liver and sea fish or perhaps some algae and mushrooms.
I am afraid, we don’t have very advanced knowledge about this topic.
Just eat tallow. My cousin is a butcher and he throws beef fat away. It is amazing how ignorant we have become.
Don’t let him do that! At least set it out for the birds…
Interesting you mention tallow because I have just finished rendering 40# of it (not ours, purchased, but grass-fed). I’ve put most of it up in jars, turned some into mincemeat (also put up in jars), and have re-rendered some to make candles (in glass jars of a different type). That way I can either have an evening of light, or eat the damn thing in a pinch.
I can’t get suet for free, but it’s still less than the cost of butter at the store.
These perpetual misconceptions about insulin. Yes, if your body is a flab of lard you’re likely insulin insensitive and need extra injections for your clogged up receptors to open.
I chuck down the carbs and sugars, feeling no sugar highs. Right, I stomp out 20km/day on my bicycle. Do you reckon it helps to have high insulin sensitivity causing the receptors in the muscles and liver to open up when the sugars and carbs arrive, no?
The PR Team is very active now in dealing with SADS… can you see what they are doing:
The parents of a 15-year-old girl with allergies and asthma who died suddenly after collapsing at school have paid tribute to their ‘sweet, intelligent and respectful’ daughter.
Laila Dawood, 15, died after collapsing at Derby Moor Academy on Friday, December 9.
Her father, Mohammed Dawood, 46, said the shock has left him feeling profoundly empty.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11551435/Parents-girl-15-died-suddenly-collapsing-school-pay-tribute-sweet-daughter.html
They don’t lie by saying she died from allergies or asthma… they plant the seed — and the MORE-ONS read that and think … oh I see – she died from allergies or asthma…
That’s more effective than stating she died from those conditions — people might question that… who dies from allergies and asthma? Particularly a healthy 15 yr old… Better to let the MORE-ONS come to their own conclusions .. cuz they are MOREONS.
2.0 comorbidities. No, 2.0 morbidities, because Safe and Effective.
Before Fast Eddie posts this one:
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/cleveland-study-conducted-to-demonstrate/comments
Cleveland study conducted to demonstrate the clinical effectiveness of the bivalent vaccines accidentally finds that the risk of Covid-19 infection increases with each prior vaccination
Also too, they found the bivalent jab no more than 30% effective at preventing infection — and this at the height of BA.5 variant, against which it was targeted.
The real bombshell, though, is the authors’ accidental finding that risk of infection increases incrementally with each prior (non-bivalent) vaccine dose.
Behold the chart:
https://ourfiniteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Eugyppius-Clevic-Clinic-Study-COVID-19-incidence-1024×703.png
(I uploaded the chart to OFW.)
Simple to understand graph.
Thanks for honest reporting. Your advice influenced my choices and so far all tests, pcr and antibody have been negative – I am not careful and recently attended an event at the Ordway in the cities with many loudly cheering individuals in the audience.
I have predisposition to the disease, 76 and a couple of serious comorbidities. I am a grumpy old man to boot, when my time comes it comes.
My greatest regret is my grandchildren probably having had the jab. Nothing I could do, can do, but may mean no great grandchildren. Children are a burden and a joy, huge responsibility for those in power to make poor choices.
Dennis L.
male sperm count is known to be diminishing rapidly, towards a zero of 2045
i think this will be the reason for depleting future generations, not vaxxing females
2045? I can’t even piss that far Norman.
if i had any ammunition i’d keep it dry till then
Zelensky could have said that.
Or perhaps a combination.
Dennis, the urgency of measures did make covid an economic issue, instead of a health issue, didn’t it?
Watch cbdc’s if you want to prevent your grandchildren running into another ‘pandemic’.
If you don’t fight, you won’t lose.
If it provides comfort … sleep well knowing this is an extinction event…
You won’t miss out on anything … nobody will … that’s what’s so awesome about extinction
I wish I was 76 though…
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
You could encourage the grandkids not to take more mRNA related vaccines (measles, influenca) and to switch to a healthier lifestyle (less sugar and bread, more vegetables, good oils). Fight obesity. There are a lot of good ideas to start repair processes, amount them intermittend fasting (convenient for moms).
I am not so worried with declining fertility, one or two greatgrandkids should be enough. It needn’t work out at the first try.
As for yourself, come into action! Hopefully walks preferredly in the nature still can be done. Use your muscles, breathe, enjoy nature! If you are obese and with heart problems perhaps a bike or a tricycle could do the trick? Impaired neigbours here use a bike where you can lie in.
If you are more on the lazy side a young dog might bring you discipine. I appreciate your appoach towards death but I feel a kick in the ass could be useful after the Covid depressions: another 20 years you should manage at least! 🙂
Dr. John Campbell on yt is interesting to follow on the covid topic. The way he plays with yt is sometimes amusing.
Good one…
Before Fast Eddie posts this one:
Gail is front running Eddie…
Munrobasher
7 hr ago
Can’t say for sure because people are keeping their 4th jab much more secret these days. So don’t know who is actually fully boosted or not. But I had the first three and I’ve really struggled with low-level colds, sniffles and general snotiness for about nearly four months now. Nothing serious but I’ve bought far more tissues than ever before. Totally unscientific and anecdotal. Although I do know of at least five other people (pretty sure vax’d to hell) who are in the same situation.
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/cleveland-study-conducted-to-demonstrate/comments
norm mike … confess — and don’t worry – its all due to kklimate change.. nothing to worry about
I believe our energy problems could have been solved by small nuclear reactors, or fusion, I definitely don’t think Green energy is the way to go…..except any sort of that type of technology in Fusion or even Nuclear is decades away from getting the green light due to administration and risks. As technological advancements are made, I think manufacturers need to be mindful of how much energy their devices or equipment are consuming and build them to be efficient. I mean you start to see that now with our LED lights, electric vehicles, and more.
Believe it or not, people have been working on our energy problems since at least the early 1970s and have not gotten very far. The solutions are always a long way in the future. But no one tells us that.
I hope they have been working on it, it’s hard to believe the problem has blind-sided the human race. I suppose the challenge is extremely huge for any life form to find adequate energy to propagate for a significant amount of time on this planet or to escape its boundaries. I have doubt that our species is capable.
Just had a racoon almost kill one of my chickens two nights ago. It is winter and the racoon is very, very hungry. It needs energy in the form of food, and will now almost go to any lengths to get it. It is desperate.
Kind of gives you an idea of what 8B starving people will do when in the same boat. They will do anything…
The mice got into some pet food we had stored — they were feasting … and breeding (kinda like what humans have been doing on oil)…
Anyhow – I sorted that out … and now they have no source of food … but they keep coming back to the store room … I’ve got 3 mouse traps on the floor and I check them a few times each day … I usually find 3 dead mice… other mice have come in afterwards and they eat the bait — often the dead mice are partially eaten by the other mice who are no doubt starving…
This is why Super Fent is such a good idea… when your hunger has you thinking of roasting a child and eating it… that’s when you need to come to your senses and reach for the super fent.
What point is there in eating the child? This is the end of the road – that will only keep you alive in a state of misery for maybe another week… and at some point all the children will be dead and eaten… then you have to try to kill and eat an adult… even if you can do that they will also all be gone soon – then what?
i assumed you would be invited to a hogroast eddy
The people who run the world are not stoooopid — unlike the highest performing circus animals who believe there are no limits to growth … the Elders know that this is a finite planet and that expensive energy ends them…
So ya… they have thrown enormous amounts of energy and effort into trying to find something that could kick the can as far as possible — but that is not possible… they know it – some of us know it…
And we have a solution to the problem … the problem being — 8B top level vicious predators going hungry…
The obvious solution is — exterminate them before that happens
FYI
Why nuclear power will never supply the world’s energy needs https://phys.org/news/2011-05-nuclear-power-world-energy.html
The End of Cheap Uranium (Cornell University Research) https://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3617
Anybody try it?
ChatGPT https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/
Interesting, it is referenced by MSN, but can’t paste it here.
I have mentioned this before, I run separate computers for some things, no network, probably will give it a test run. MSN references Google going “Code Red” over this perhaps affecting their search engine revenue. Google has become a pain lately in that even well referenced searches go to alternate sites with ad revenues I assume.
The facts and details are out there, wonder what it has to say about FE’s concerns.
Dennis L.
Yandex.com is helpful if you want to find material that the blue blob disapproves of.
Yandex did work to find the poem I just posted.. Will start to use them as a first resort, Ed, thanks…
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/400094262/
Are you aware that they intend to move their headquarters to Tel Aviv? Bravo is rumored to be best…
“Ask”, Dennis, “and you shall receive.”
A Short Rhyming Poem about the Unvaccinated
written by Artificial Intelligence Language Model GPT3
We are the men who were not injected,
We are the men who were not affected,
We are the men who were not selected,
To be poisoned by the government’s hand
We are the men who refused when required,
We are the men willing to be fired,
We are the men who never tired,
To fight being poisoned by the government’s hand.
We are the men who did not take the shot,
We are the men who cannot be bought,
We are the men who stopped, and thought,
To resist being poisoned by the government’s hand.
We are the men who placed our bets,
We who got ivermectin from the vets,
Now we are the men with no regrets,
And avoided being poisoned by the government’s hand.
https://media.greatawakening.win/post/BYZPH3vN2R6T.jpeg
(found on one of the “chans”)
Of course, this text wasn’t found on any of the normal search engines; I OCR’d it.
“chat.openai.com needs to review the security of your connection before proceeding”
hahahaha isn’t this a euphemism for won’t let us install nasty scripting?
You can’t see what it is until we install it … sound like omnibus house spending bills
I’d rather have a session with SSS before I’d open that site.
https://www.audible.com/pd/Black-Gold-Audiobook/0008128375
At one point in Britain thousands were dying — because so much coal was being burned — you literally could not see your hand in front of your face because the smog was so thick.
And we refer to ourselves as intelligent.
We need to redefine that word — and refer to it as a form of mental illness afflicting the human species which causes them to commit acts that lead to extinction.
FE, sometimes the way forward is not easy and can be personally expensive.
There are many times no easy choices.
Dennis L.
The way forward ends in a brick wall… which we are finding out now
A brick wall for thee, but not for meeee!
I will make it at least long enough to fight Kulm when he shows up at my door trying to reclaim his ancestral lands that I now squat on.
Thousands were dying—sure—but at the same time hundreds of thousands were being born. The point of the game is always to get to the next ‘level’, until the game ends.
If “we” had decided to stop burning coal then, how many *more* would have died, and how many, many more would never have been born? You, for example.
Intelligence simply helps you get to the next level. Then whatever happens, happens.
Next level of what?
Next billion?
Next level closer to extinction?
What does your hockey training get you to? To the next game. When you can’t play the game any longer (of hockey, of getting out of bed, of chewing your food), you’re on the path to personal extinction.
Do you sit and wonder whether all the hockey inputs (the ice-making rinks, the plastic-foam pads, the Lexan shields, the frickin’ Zambonis) get you or anybody else anywhere *other* than closer to extinction?
Nothing gets us anywhere other than closer to extinction. Is Extinction pressure at 8 billion or 10 billion or 12 billion? I’m inspired by HRC to ask, “What difference, at this point, does it make?” You think we could have established some kind of cutoff at 3 billion, or 2 billion?? Why?
No other animal tries to ‘get to a next level’
Only humans want to get to the next level … we call it progress.
It is not progress. It is not improvement. It is nothing less than inching the species towards extinction
A dog will gravitate towards the warmth of a fire on a cold day.
But a dog is not burdened with the ‘intelligence’ that allows it to make the fire.
He definitely would have no interest in petrol and driving cars.
‘Intelligence’ is toxic. It’s deadly. It is a bad thing.
Now hyper intelligence — like 1500HP — is a different thing altogether — it allows one to realize that progress is not what it seems. We need people like Fast Eddy to explain that to us.
Fast Eddy has no interest in complex physics or mathematics… HE is into Purity of Thought… Thought … for the sake of Thought. HE has no interest in creating anything … in innovating…
He’s kinda like a Messiah .. or a god… it’s hard to pin it down
I am sure you can see that this is different from intelligence.
If FE is into PoT (Purity of Thought)— I love that, it’s like Gen.Ripper’s PoE—then FE would take the 50,000 ft. view: that within each thing are the seeds of its destruction.
All animals try to get to the next level; that they may not is not for lack of trying. Do you think a termite that builds a termite mound cares if it displaces or kills some ants? Of course not. You should take a look at the knotweed colonies sprung up along rivers in the Northeast US. They eliminate all the native undergrowth.. all of it. Their intelligence is in outdoing the competition and not caring. The only distinction I see is that humans pretend to care.
Is a knotweed planet ‘better’ than what was there before? Depends on whose value system you go by. Is a ‘planet of the humans’ better than what was there before, or what will come afterwards? Depends on whose value system you go by.
Once humans unlocked the power available in wood, coal, oil, and gas… that was all she wrote. The bullet left the gun and all there is for us to do is contemplate the trajectory.
If humans hadn’t done it, something else would eventually have come along, making life better or worse.. who knows? If there were some runaway fungus eating everything in sight, would that be more acceptable, just because “not intelligent”?
You nailed it!
They want to – innately – but they can’t.
Because they lack ‘intelligence’
Because they lack ‘intelligence’ they are unable to overcome limitations on overshoot and they die back if they outstrip the available food resources
But not the highly ‘intelligent’ humans – nope – overshoot – what’s that? We use that computing power to learn how to grow more food — to make steel tools — to pump water – desalinate even — so that we have enough food to feed 8B
Brilliant – bravo – impressive….
Except one thing. One very important thing … we achieved all this using a finite resource — energy is finite.
And when we hit that tipping point — the whole shebang is gonna unravel at the speed of sound.
And 8B highly ‘intelligent’ animals — are gonna be on the streets – in the dark — hungry … angry … and they are gonna rip each others faces off — tear body parts off – and eat them
And then we’ll go extinct
We have been around in this form supposedly for only 200,000 years… a blink of an eye.
I suspect we will hold the world record for the fastest path to extinction.
Hardly an endorsement for our claim to be highly intelligent.
It’s not the intelligence that’s the problem, it’s the archaic primate regions in the brain which gets amplified in the neocortex giving rise to the illusion of intelligence.
Still a primate gonna chimp out with monkey business. Microchips, oil, coal, flint tipped arrows, steel, concrete and all the rest won’t change a good darned thing.
https://youtu.be/meiU6TxysCg
The default mode on a finite planet is of course artificial scarcity and generational delayed gratification. It’s a process of alignment.
Once the planetary defense systems are up and defending against incoming space rock, it’s a waiting game – an evolutionary and technological progress toward, well, nobody knows.
“‘Intelligence’ is toxic. It’s deadly. It is a bad thing.”
Chimps and dolphins are regarded as ‘intelligent’. They can’t impose themselves in a global cultural sense because of limited language capacity and, for the latter, no functionally-opposable thumbs.
These animals are “burdened” with an intelligence beyond that of Hoolio.
Everything is set up to reward intelligence, until it isn’t.
When one is born, dying is baked into the cake. BEING BORN IS DEADLY! BEING BORN IS TOXIC!
And?
So?
sex is the problem Lidia
we all enjoy it too much.
all that begatting is bad for the planet.
Perhaps learning to cook food, long ago was the problem. If we were all parallel to the apes, living with what we could gather in warm climates, there would be no problem with human overpopulation.
joking aside
our primary function is reproduction of self, (and rear offspring to their age of reproduction.)
we consume food, and other forms of energy, to facilitate that.
When we moved into colder regions, we had no choice but to consume energy resources over and above our basic entitlement. (or be consumed ourselves of course)
Fire was the game changer in our favour.
‘Intelligence’…. everyone seems to think it’s a good thing…
Look where it got us.
indeed eddy
indeed
+++
An art project tends to have a beginning, a middle and an end. (It is generally accepted that it has an end.) If our paradigm is to treat life as a variety of art projects, then the end is as much a fulfillment as a loss. I’m not sure why it’s necessary to think of too much more.
Of course, coal made China, and it has had a terrible smog problem. India mostly powers it factories with coal, too. It, too, has a terrible smog problem.
Anecdote involving a MOREON…
So Fast says to the MOREON – they told us we’d not get Covid but everyone got Covid … even with booster shots…
MOREON says — well they didn’t know that would happen because it was rushed…
Fast wanted to say — so the Effective part was wrong — what about the Safe? And what about the long term… but Fast didn’t say that… Because we know how a MOREON reacts to logic…
It’s like pulling out a handful of kryptonite and throwing it at them … they get insulted and angry..
How dare you use logic – how dare you!!! You are such a rude and obnoxious person!
“Hey, let’s sanction our major energy supplier, that will stick it to them!”
The Economist is saying that 335,000 Europeans will die of the cold over the next couple of months if harsh winter conditions continue, although the energy situation in Europe is expected to be worse next winter.
Germany has already allocated __$500 B__ to try to keep the lights on since the UKR fiasco began, which is 12% of GDP, and 1.6 B per day! Much more will be required….
Meanwhile, Canada is set to reimpose sanctions on the NS 1/ 2 gas pipelines…. which NATO already blew up three months back! ‘Beam me up, Scotty!’
> WOW. I’m glad I don’t live in Europe
Jackson Hinkle seems to be both widely read and widely banned. I don’t know how much of this information will make it to Europe. If there really is a cold winter with lots of blackouts, that could be bad news.
I notice that Zerohedge (and Oil Price) are reporting, Norway’s Oil And Gas Production Disappoints In November
As far as I could tell, the problem is with a new field that is going online, Johan Sverdrup 2, which is a new field that has been expected to ramp up to raise production. So far, it doesn’t seem to be happening as fast as expected. Or perhaps, there are problems elsewhere in the system, holding total production down.
Zerohedge earlier reported Russian Oil Exports Collapse More Than 50% As Exxon Shuns Tankers That Hauled Russian Crude
In other words, the drop might not be as high long term. Also complicating the shipping of Russian oil is a new ban by Exxon on using ships that have recently shipped Russian oil. Shell oil already has a similar ban in place.
So, the net effect of the lower price cap may be a lower volume of oil exported from Russia.
I expect with this lower volume of exported oil, the world economy will suffer. Whether or not prices will increase remarkably is not clear. I expect any sharp rise in oil price will be temporary.
Bloomberg has an article today about how energy flows are rerouting while the world fragments into rival blocs. Russia, drawing in sanctioned Iran, is constructing land and water transit networks across Eurasia, which will be robust against Western sanctions.
The route to India will cost 25 B to construct, but that is paltry compared to what Germany alone has already spent this year to try to keep the lights on – and Russia will have robust transit networks at the end of it.
“It’s an example of how great–power competition is rapidly reshaping trade networks in a world economy that looks set to fragment into rival blocs…. This is about establishing sanctions–proof supply chains all the way through…. The emerging trade corridor would allow Russia and Iran to shave thousands of kilometers off existing routes”
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-russia-iran-trade-corridor/
> Russia and Iran Are Building a Trade Route That Defies Sanctions
The nations are investing upwards of $20 billion to ease passage of goods along waterways and railways
Russia and Iran are building a new transcontinental trade route stretching from the eastern edge of Europe to the Indian Ocean, a 3,000–kilometer (1,860–mile) passage that’s beyond the reach of any foreign intervention.
The two countries are spending billions of dollars to speed up delivery of cargos along rivers and railways linked by the Caspian Sea. Ship–tracking data compiled by Bloomberg show dozens of Russian and Iranian vessels—including some that are subject to sanctions—already plying the route.
It’s an example of how great–power competition is rapidly reshaping trade networks in a world economy that looks set to fragment into rival blocs. Russia and Iran, under tremendous pressure from sanctions, are turning toward each other—and they’re both looking eastward, too. The goal is to shield commercial links from Western interference and build new ones with the giant and fast–growing economies of Asia.
“This is about establishing sanctions–proof supply chains all the way through,” says Maria Shagina, an expert on sanctions and Russian foreign policy at the London–based International Institute for Strategic Studies.
The emerging trade corridor would allow Russia and Iran to shave thousands of kilometers off existing routes. At its northern end is the Sea of Azov, which is bracketed by the Crimean Peninsula, Ukraine’s southeastern coast—including the Russian–occupied port of Mariupol—and the mouth of the River Don.
Earlier this month, listing his country’s gains from the war in Ukraine, President Vladimir Putin said the Sea of Azov “has become an inland sea” for Russia.
From there river, sea and rail networks extend to Iranian hubs on the Caspian Sea and ultimately the Indian Ocean. Putin has flagged the importance of that end of the corridor, as well.
At an economic forum in September he underlined the need to develop the ship, rail and road infrastructure along the route that “will provide Russian companies with new opportunities to enter the markets of Iran, India, the Middle East and Africa, and will facilitate supplies from these countries in return.”
If Russia can use canals for part of the trip, it certainly makes sense. When my husband and I visited Russia a few years ago, we rode from St. Petersburg to Moscow on a tourist ship in an old canal. The canal was not big enough for modern ships carrying heavy cargos, I expect. But it could be widened and deepened, to be more useful. I think that there are also similar canals farther south than Moscow.
Yes, most importantly a canal linking the Don and Volga, and therefore the Black and Caspian seas. A direct sea-to-sea canal is in the plans. Regrettably they are using an expensive method to keep the Caspian brackish (1.1% salt) . It would take 10,000 years of continuous use to make the Caspian twice as salty, so I think they could act a little more cavalierly.
The Zerohedge article concerns a report about the first week of the price cap. Russian oil exports have recovered, and they are now down only __11%__ on the month.
The NATO price cap appears to have failed to shrink Russian oil exports, which may well soon be unaffected.
https://www.reuters.com/article/russia-oil-export/update-1-russian-oil-exports-fall-by-11-for-dec-1-20-kommersant-idUKL1N33B099
> Russian oil exports fall by 11% for Dec 1-20 -Kommersant
MOSCOW, Dec 21 (Reuters) – Russian oil exports fell by 11% for Dec. 1-20 compared to the previous month, after the European Union’s embargo on Russian oil came into force, the Kommersant daily reported on Wednesday, citing unidentified sources familiar with the situation.
Russia’s exports to non-CIS countries – covering both pipeline and sea-borne shipments – totalled around 560,000 tonnes per day during the period, Kommersant reported.
The EU’s embargo on Russian oil purchases came into effect on Dec. 5 in a move Brussels says will cut the bloc’s imports of Russian oil by 90%. Before Russia sent tens of thousands of troops into Ukraine in February, Europe bought around half of all Russia’s oil exports.
Moscow, which calls its action in Ukraine “a special military operation”, has rapidly shifted its energy trade eastwards this year, selling record volumes to countries like India and China. The Kremlin hopes sustained demand from countries in Asia can compensate for lost supplies to Russia’s traditional European customers.
The EU, the G7 and Australia have also imposed a price cap on Russian oil to further thwart Moscow’s key source of revenue, banning firms from providing insurance or logistics for Russian sea-borne oil shipments where the price paid is above $60 a barrel.
Russia has promised retaliatory measures that could include a ban on selling oil to any company that complies with the oil price cap.
Thanks for the additional information.
The old and the weak will die leaving the herd hardy and fit.
But living in a bubble of the ever new. They will not know the past.
The news sounds bad for Germany. They actually have the chutzpah to request that Russia allows oil from Kazakhstan to transit its pipes to replace the Russian oil that Germany is about to refuse.
Germany must have something in its ‘pipes’ if it thinks that ‘plan’ is going to solve its dilemma.
“Physically shipping Kazakh crude to Germany without any Russian oil in it is unlikely to be feasible. It would require volumes to be sent in batches to avoid mixing it with molecules of Russian origin. That would be hugely disruptive to the Russian pipeline network and it’s hard to see Transneft supporting the idea.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-21/germany-s-pivot-to-piped-kazakh-oil-looks-like-a-pipe-dream
> Germany’s Pivot to Piped Kazakh Oil Looks Like a Pipe Dream
Germany is days from halting piped oil imports from Russia, creating pressure to find alternatives.
The nation’s economy ministry in Berlin confirmed on Tuesday that Germany won’t be buying Russian oil at all in 2023, reaffirming a pledge to halt by the end of this year. The step is to punish the Kremlin for the war in Ukraine.
One emerging idea is to use Russia’s pipeline system to import from Kazakhstan instead. There’s even talk of a test shipment early next year. Germany, along with most of the European Union, already has a ban on seaborne deliveries from Russia.
But getting piped supplies of Kazakh crude thousands of miles to refineries in eastern Germany would present huge challenges on multiple fronts. The first is that the pipelines through which the oil would have to flow are Russian — the giant Druzhba network.
As such, any decision to facilitate such shipments can only be made by Moscow. So far, Russia’s oil-pipeline operator Transneft PJSC hasn’t received any request from Kazakhstan to deliver to Germany, according to company’s spokesman Igor Dyomin.
Some Kazakh barrels are already pumped northward to Almetyevsk in Russia and mixed with oil from Russian fields into a common export grade, officially known as Russian Export Blend Crude Oil, or REBCO, which is more often referred to as Urals.
Physically shipping Kazakh crude to Germany without any Russian oil in it is unlikely to be feasible. It would require volumes to be sent in batches to avoid mixing it with molecules of Russian origin. That would be hugely disruptive to the Russian pipeline network and it’s hard to see Transneft supporting the idea.
Even if it did, such an approach would see German refineries receiving untested crude grade with characteristics that may be very different from those of their normal diet of Urals, which has tight parameters on density and sulfur content.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/germany-pivot-piped-kazakh-oil-121307976.html
Thank you for the news.
It is such a comic situation, that it is even possible that the Russians will say:
da, da, ne volnuytes’, net problem
and they will mock them 😀
“Hey, let’s sanction our major energy supplier, that will stick it to them!”
They are no sanctions … there’s just not enough energy these days… but the war conceals that reality
In 2014 Victoria Nuland (of the Obama administration) was overheard in a phonecall saying “F**K the EU”.
Now in 2022 the EU is properly f***ed over. And Victoria Nuland is still working for the administration in Washington.
EU’s reply was:
No Victoria, don’t even dare to say f* the EU to us!
We can f*** ourselves on our own, we don’t need you to say us what we have to do!
Boo, duck, bla, bla!
Take it!
Charles Hugh Smith put a good post up on Tuesday:
http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2022/12/time-to-get-out-of-dodge.html
The topic is “Is it time to get out of the stock market?”
Among other things, he says,
I would agree, with the exception of if individual economies can try to print themselves out of upcoming financial problems. If so, we might see hyperinflation. I am doubtful that stock prices would hyper-inflate more than commodity prices, however.
Simple question:
Do the billionaires own cash or stocks?
Nothing so it seems is forever, the problem is timing, cash is liquidity and gives freedom to time while at the same time losing value – good judgment is most helpful.
Real wealth is healthy, intelligent, well raised children with a belief system which works. That which works is right, that which does not is wrong.
How many children does Musk have? Would he trade any one for them for another billion? I think not, even if broke he would just start over, with his children.
Dennis L.
If you have cash, but it is in a bank, it is worse than stocks.
Not necessarily. Whoever followed the Cyprus bail-ins closely, which was a manufactured dry-run, will recall that all the offshored Russian oligarch accounts and other insiders and prominent businessmen the were alerted ahead of time and drained their funds before the capital controls kicked in.
Italy had a bail-in one day, in the early 1990s, under the (socialist) Amato regime, where they just went in and stripped a percent or two from everyone’s bank accounts, across the board. And then sent them a bill for 6% of the rest of their capital (value of houses, cars, etc.).
I knew of this, but didn’t know Soros had been involved.
https://www.money.it/25-anni-fa-prelievo-forzoso-Amato-crollo-lira
Yandex found this link. Other SEs are getting really bad. I know I would have found more references a few years ago.
That’s really interesting. Wasn’t able to read the article. Wonder if they got paid back. My dad got caught up in the Cyprus bail-in, after a couple years he eventually got all his money back. After that he only transferred money to Cyprus, where he lived, as needed.
Socialist, leftist are only non-sense definitions for Italian political élite.
Amato is one of the ‘Masters’ of our slavery to EU and to multinational companies.
This list of the things he did during the time is so long that when I will have some time I will make a summary for you.
He even entered recently the vaccine argument being in charge of a very important institution (no need to tell you what he did).
He is on of the Masters !
😀
https://www.rainews.it/articoli/2022/01/consulta-giuliano-amato–il-nuovo-presidente-della-corte-costituzionale-76bf9d5c-7653-4655-ad8c-d65b277d3323.html
Student, you are right, of course. In Italy, the communists seem to have more yachts than the mere socialists. They are all equally unprincipled (as with the Ds/Rs in the US)… Theoretically, I would like to know more, but they are all so heinous that I think it would just make me ill and depressed. To look at Amato’s CV tells the entire sordid story, and yet he is one of the less-obvious criminals.
Talk to someone who is trying to move to Russia. Or talk to someone living in Italy, where you can move only 2000 euros a day.
Dennis commented in the context of billionaires, so I responded to your comment in the same context, in saying that there are two sets of rules. It’s a club and we ain’t in it.
Looking at excess mortality and the possibility of blackouts, I also see problems on the immobilia markets.
I guess after a blackout or crash prices in the countryside will raise as people leave the cities.
When the cities cannot provide sufficient jobs and you have little social benefits where do you go?
Life in the country is really, really hard even with electricity.
Farming is really, really hard even with modern fertilizers, equipment, etc.
immobilia(had to look that one up) is also a challenge, dirt moves with wind and water; hint, it all runs down hill to the valley which has shade. Meanwhile the band is singing, “It don’t come easy.”
Dennis L.
Oh, it is real estate markets, sorry!
I fancy life in the city without food and electricity is no bed of roses either. My family has survived bad times in the past doing gardening. No problem. Man hahas been doing it for thousands of years.
The trick is compost, nettle manure and animal manure and composted human feces. The phosphate is difficult to replace so a circulation is needed. Human feces must be hot composted for 2 years!
The nettle manure is stinging nettle soaking in water for some weeks. It starts to stink and develops microorganisms that are needed in the compost and soil.
You might add some charcoal.
Dear OFW Friends,
the news below is about how some ‘ELDERS’ behave with weapons…
I inform you that as I’m (try to be) a gentleman, the post is only for men and not for women (but they can do as they prefer of course).
And also some men can be sensitive about the subject and be scandalized.
The purpose is only to have a little fun in this difficult period.
I can tell you that news arrived yesterday and it comes from a normal, official and well-known local French newspaper
Just make a laugh if you like 🙂
https://www.cnews.fr/faits-divers/2022-12-20/toulon-il-arrive-aux-urgences-avec-un-obus-dans-lanus-lhopital-est-evacue
I am sure they called the disarm specialist for fun only. I would have explained, you are too old to survive the operation.
I imagine the scene at the emergency desk.
nurse: ..and..your name?
patient: Michael
nurse: age?
patient: 88
nurse: …mmhh… did you get your booster?
More ‘fake news’?
‘ “I’ve only ever found O’Looney to be honorable and credible. He’s now claiming that, due to his newfound notoriety, members of the Black Watch battalion of the British Army have reached out to him, to tell him that they’ve been involved in training Albanian, Iraqi and Afghan soldiers in Antalya, Turkey and in Western Ukraine.
These British-trained mercenaries are then ordered to infiltrate migrant- and refugee groups, in order to enter the UK by the thousands. The UK government has contracted with thousands of hotels in order to house these people.
O’Looney says that British Army Major Anne de FitzRay (sp?), who spoke with him has “many contacts in the Army and they’re all telling her the same thing.”
He says there’s a new wave of people dying from the bioweapon injections but that officials will call this a “new variant”, which will then be used to justify a new wave of lockdowns and mandatory “quarantine camps” for the unvaxxed.
These British-trained foreign mercenaries will then be used to enforce this new phase of tyranny, because British soldiers would not want to drag off their own people to the COVID camps. ‘ ?
The Black Watch hasn’t existed since 2006.
Yes, most of those old and honourable British regiments have gone, abolished or amalgamated years ago.
Using alien troops on civilian populations is an old tactic: the Arabs used Turks and Circassian slave units; European kings used Flemish, Basque, Swiss and German mercenaries;even in modern Spain the Guardia Civil (mounted paramilitaries) were never posted in their home regions; but I’d treat this tale with caution.
Not saying that O’Looney is lying, but he might well have been duped into spreading false info to discredit him as a nut.
Honorable? They all participated on destroying the Western Civ
Ending their traditions is a belately slow way of saying Sorry, in a British way since they are too proud to admit that they f*cked up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Watch
The battalion still exists – not the Regiment.
The EU is promoting an EU army able to act in member states against unvaxxed. I think the project is called “Hera”.
Sounds like a worry for the unvaccinated.
I hope the energy problems come first!
I was hoping that my last fight would be against a robo-dog, like Beowulf and the dragon, or Siegfried….
Govts, corporations and supra-national organisations moving to the use of mercenary corps against their citizens would not be a surprise, in fact the most likely development.
Given they knew the outcome from the rat juice would be VAIDS… but they’ll never admit it’s VAIDS… rather they will use The Sickness to encourage more injections and lockdowns…
Which could easily justify greater persecutions of the Pure Bloods… those mass concentration camps look to be real …
Anything is possible here… we are into deep Black Mirror tear-itory.
Yesterday, my mother passed away. She was suffering mainly from cancer treatments in her past 3 decades of life and has refused further treatment, hospitalisations etc.
We are simply fed up with the healthcare that keeps us alive suffering here, in this world.
Yesterday, also died the person who has become the symbol and the leading person of the COVID pandemic healthcare measures in Slovakia:
https://koktejl.azet.sk/clanok/5Ll7JnA/velmi-smutna-sprava-zomrel-profesor-vladimir-krcmery-62/
He faced various threats of physical attacks and murder, even pulling a gun on him, during the pandemic measures and had to spend some time during it outside Slovakia because of the safety reasons.
https://www.cas.sk/clanok/2600565/preco-sa-musel-ukryt-za-hranicami-profesor-krcmery-si-presiel-peklom-vytiahli-na-mna-zbran/
Thank you for sharing.
He could defeat the COVID pandemic, but died of bilateral pneumonia, aged 62:
https://www.ta3.com/clanok/254485/foto-zomrel-epidemiolog-krcmery-mal-obojstranny-zapal-puc
Sorry to hear that MG my condolences.
Thank you, Adonis. The death was a big relief for her.
“Eternal rest grant unto us, O Lord,
and let perpetual light shine upon us.
May the souls of all the faithful departed,
through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Amen.”
My condolences, MG.
Interesting, too, that resistance to the lock-downs got a bit violent in Slovakia, we never heard about that.
Dear Xavier, if only we could stop the time…
I do not like this “progress” driven by the efficiency gains that creates more and more garbage and craziness.
The progress creates more and more complexity. Is it not possible to have a perpetual simplicity? Without the stupid growth and collapse cycle.
Unfortunately, no, we cannot stop “progress.” We are faced with ever-rising depletion and with increased entropy of many kinds, including pollution. We have to make “progress” in terms of increased complexity to work around these problems.
The issue is that there are diminishing returns to increased complexity. In other words, the most effective ways of making the system more efficient (or progress) are found first. Those that have less benefits, and more negative side effects, are added later. We end up with too much wage and wealth disparity. We end up with a financial system that makes absurd promises. We end up with an international trading system that we cannot keep up, with less oil.
The “degrowth” group of people have not understood this. Even reducing population does not help. It is the fact that we have bodies that required some cooked food (or very highly processed in a blender) in order to operate our bodily systems is the problem. There are perhaps a few people in very cold areas that can live on raw meat and the contents of the stomachs of the fish/animals they kill, but in general raw foods don’t work for humans. Modern civilization requires paved roads and metals. These require fossil fuels, if they are to be available in any quantity.
Sorry to hear about your mother’s passing.
If only we could live the life again without all those sufferings.
In her last period of life, we prayed together every day, she could, and she, feeling weaker and weaker, often called her deceased mother for help.
MG, your mother was very lucky to have you by her side. Sincere condolences.
My condolences MG.
She was a kind of strong woman: she was from the family persecuted by the communists, her brother, my godfather, rejected the Russian invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 and subsequently lost his managerial position and became an ordinary accountant. She was an accountant, too, knowing all the farmers works of the village.
Both of them were Catholics who did not fear the state atheist rubbish, all those career seekers etc. which were ready to dump any belief in higher power in favour of ephemeral benefits…
🙂
norm – is this on BBCCNN?
YOU ARE 2X/3X MORE LIKELY TO GET INFECTED WITH COVID THAN SOMEONE WHO IS UNVACCINATED WITH NATURAL IMMUNITY….
That’s a finding from a study of 260K+ people in Indiana, out last Wednesday.
Read the entire thread posted on twitter below…there are some bombshell finds in this one over and above the one i point out above.
https://twitter.com/BryanDeanWright/status/1604925296615903232
The vaccine works in the wrong direction relative to catching the illness, if it has been six months or more since the last booster.
Just take more boosters… more frequently?
They are SAFE – and Effective.
What could go wrong?
Simple – right norm?
What gets really tiring is … dealing with stoooopidity… we’re not asking anyone to do the math for launching a satellite here… this is very simple stuff .. it’s 2 + 2 kinda stuff.
And then the fools actually think they are so clever…
Please let this be a cull.. please let us enjoy the MORE-ONS being fed into the meat grinder from helll
quote from Alex Jones, in court Dec 20th
“I don’t tell lies, you got that?” he exclaimed. “That’s my secret! My brain becomes more powerful every day because I’ve trained myself not to lie to myself, not to lie to my audience and not to lie in front of God!”
Eddy—it seems you have a potential usurper
Data from GB shows that antibody production only keep about 3 months on a significant level. Boosters do not bring those levels up again, there might be a tolerance effect.
BTW they only measure the levels of antibodies that they claim specific. There are no infection studies besides the desastrous first Pfizer study.
Those antibodies that are claimed to help against Covid are a very late barrier in the arsenal of the immune system. So it is theoretically doubtable if they help at all.
There is as tolerizing effect, references have been posted on past threads: IgG4 (tolerizing antibody) levels against S-protein rise with repeated injections and IgG1 and IgG3 levels fall rapidly after the initial boost.
And as we are seeing the end result is VAIDS…
Did I mention the two multi boosted people I spoke to who were deathly ill when they contracted covid? They will NEVER connect this to VAIDS… to the shots… NEVER.
And because it would have been much worse without the shots — they will get the next booster
Even after I told them we’ve all had covid – we are all not rat juiced — and it was a very mild illness for all of us.
Did I get the logic right norm?
Yes, the aspecific innate immune system is the important in these seasonal respiratory infections.
It’s a shame (or outrage) that these virologists never tell this but just keep promoting and pushing the injections …
Right now Twitter allows this type of “misinformed” posting.
FE – this is the link to the study – https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2022.307112
Kinda fun to see how moreons react… perhaps nothing at all
Conclusion from the study you linked:
“Conclusions. The significantly lower rates of all-cause ED visits, hospitalizations, and mortality in the vaccinated highlight the real-world benefits of vaccination. The data raise questions about the wisdom of reliance on natural immunity when safe and effective vaccines are available. (Am J Public Health. 2023;113(1):96–104. https://doi.org/10.2105/AJPH.2022.307112)”
Infection rates are lower for unvaccinated but all-cause mortality is still higher. Maybe hard to draw any solid conclusion from this kind of data. This article wont change the mind of any pro-vaccer.
Hardly a surprise if the vax acts as an immunosuppressant.
1. If you get infected, a suppressed immune system doesn’t develop cytokine storms
2. It is harder to get infected with an unsuppressed immune system, no surprises, eh?
EZ!
Next!
🤧👍
Obviously the higher ED visits, hospitalizations, and mortality of the unvaxxed is socioeconomic in nature. That’s not a difficult conclusion to draw as it’s a well-known fact.
If I was a thinking vaxxed person it would certainly contribute to changing my mind seeing as how vaxxed ‘covid reinfection’ rates are more than twice the unvaxxed rates. That’s not effective, that’s deleterious.
It is very simple, do not prescribe correct anti-inflammatory drugs at the beginning, do not prescribe vitamin C, D and Zinc at the beginning and wait till the condition go very severe.
And the game is done!
You can add a person to your statistics.
“If I was a thinking vaxxed person it would certainly contribute to changing my mind seeing as how vaxxed ‘covid reinfection’ rates are more than twice the unvaxxed rates. That’s not effective, that’s deleterious.”
The pro-vaccers answer to this is:
So what, anti-vaccers never test for covid infections.
Believe me, I’ve tried…
We should do like this:
– Oh, by the way, have you ever done a test for LINRIZ?
– what is LINRIZ !?
– It is an asymptomatic disease from Indochina which attacks the brain.
It arrives through containers and it has become unfortunately widely spread in our Country.
I made the test and luckily I was not positive.
I warmly suggest you to ask your Doctor to prescribe you a LINRIZ test as soon as possible.
– Oh, really?
– I can tell you that a good old friend of mine from college tested positive for LINRIZ and he was immediately operated!
His condition is still unknown.
But he was very lucky he made the test in time!
I think there is a website for this, but I knew it had cyber attack lately.
Find more on linriz-safety.gov.com
I don’t doubt that you’ve tried. I’m sure we all have. That time has certainly passed for me. Ideological pro-vaxx was specifically not the context in which I was speaking. I realize it was the context in which you were speaking, which is why I was specific. Little to nothing will change the ideological mind until the ideology is realized by the mind to cost the person more than the ideology is worth to the person.
Under Natural Law all cost-benefit analyses are ecological in nature. Under political (selfish) law they are selfish (political) in nature.
Hi Folks,
An interesting statistical factor:
Different studies count a person as vacccinated:
) At the moment they are vaccinated
) Two weeks after vaccination
) Some other time frame
If a person goes to a doctor/hospital in less than two weeks after having the shot,
their malady/death can be chalked up as them being unvaccinated, even if
the reason for the doctor/hospital visit is a vaccine injury.
If some of these vaccinated-listed-as-unvaccinated numbers are moved
out of the unvaccinated column and in to the vaccinated column, the
study conclusions can look quite different.
Thanks and good health, Weogo
Interesting! The vaccinated had more Covid cases but those cases still led to fewer deaths. I wonder how that would come out if the adverse impact of the vaccinations were added to the study, especially by age group? I can imagine for the oldest age group, the vaccine might still be protective, and it gets a disproportionate share of the deaths. For younger age groups, the combined effect might still be pretty dreadful. We know that total cause death rates are up.
On a slightly different topic, an online actuarial group that I am part of found some sort of study that showed that automobile accidents tended to be higher in the unvaccinated than the vaccinated. My guess might be that the unvaccinated tend to be risk takers, while the vaccinated tend to follow the conventional path. This might possibly reduce accident rates. Whatever the reason, the actuaries agreed that it would make no sense to raise automobile rates for the unvaccinated.
Unvaxxed not allowed on planes, buses etc… they drove more
This is exactly the theme in Utopia — the rebels all were incensed that anyone would try to stop them from breeding themselves into extinction …
See the comments https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/how-bill-gates-klaus-schwab-yuval/comments
Hahaha… this is what most anti vaxxers believe — this sort of thing is all over their Telegram groups
MOREONS – they should be force-injected with the rat juice — they are not worthy of the life boat
Dennis meadows you tube video confirms the only choices the elders have left.
Meadows States1 to 2 billionworld population
But the system is too complex for 2 billion people. It will take a total collapse if things are to restart. There will be no BAU lite for this planet. It’s either keep BAU going as long as it can go on or it is back to the Dark Ages.
perhaps a combinationof the Dark Ages and business as usual will be our future
yes the near future might look like the recent past, with smaller weaker Periphery countries declining towards a newer Dark Age, while the resource richer Core countries (with abundant crop lands, forests, water, and some FF) carry on with a quasi bAUlite.
12 days until 2023, baby.
“As long as it can” implies that BAU must end. So I can’t really see the point in keeping BAU going, unless you think it might be possible for as long as you’re alive? I’d rather collapse came quickly while I still have some chance of coping for a while, than coming when I need a wheelchair or a zimmer frame to get around.
I doubt a return to Middle Age technology would be possible.
It is well known to historians that the size of a settlement is limited to 50.000, maybe 100.000 people. That is due to problems in logistics. With no cooling, packaging and communication it is not possible to bring food and charcoal in and rubbish out for so many people.
If you think of intensive gardening as a replacement of modern agriculture you would need a lot of people to work farms. How could these people be transported to the gardens to work and back to the cities? If you think of horses: their “fuel” competes directly with human food. It might be cleverer to use ox but we know from studies that an ox-cart carrying 100kg of wheat for more than 15km would need so much wheat to feed the oxes that it becomes unprofitable. This was the problem of the Roman Reich and it is well documented.
So we would need another infrastructure, that mens houses with gardens in the back, where the soil is improved similar to Tera Preta and the phosphate is kept in a cycle, using composted manure and feces. There is no other way. There should be a coppice close to reduce transportation energy.
If you think of such a structure it could feed large amounts of people but with what energy are you building this structure? How do you convince people? How do you maintain knowledge and education? Water supply?
The old systems, be they Dark Ages, Bonceages or settlement in the Amazonas, were complex and intelligent made systems that wont establish from alone.
Imagine you have the duty to resettle a city of only 2 mio inhabitants, how would you start it? They dont even have an axe or hatchet and they spend most of their time thinking how they could beautify their nose and look like 25 when they are 60. To live without dishwasher and washing machine and fire a wood stove means hours of work to keep hygiene and healthy food. I know a lot of young woman and men who for sure could do that, but they are from families in the Alps, they keep this knowledge in the families and in their bones. But the average city boy?
Above all is the security aspect. The old gatherings in the Amazonas had a dense religious structure. What was this for? To keep peace amoung 50.000 people?
Now kind of Bronzeage settlements and modern cities together, because the Russians still have oil and the Europeans have not, will lead to a disbalance of power where the oil producers can easily dominate the have nots and strip them off their resources. We all know this from our own past.
The Middle Ages on the one hand suffered these problems, wars were common place. On the other hand Christianity stood together against the Osman invaders.
You know their strategy: Invade with nothing but strong armour and strip the people off all food, burn down their houses and take the kids and sell them as slaves. European history.
Some places offer a natural security because they are hard to invade and people are poor. But how to organize secure settlements with the people that are living currently?
If you think of a system like that of the American natives based on Bison hunting, you are dependend on Bison and if you enemy slaughters them you will be doomed.
Now take into account that most water and lot of soil currently is poisoned. In Europe for example you should not eat wild boars because of Tchernobyl’s poisioning. Nowadays it’s radiation is tested, but no way to keep that technology up.
Very, very hard times to come!
Interesting thoughts, Jan. Mike, you’re a dead man walking, even if it happens tomorrow.
To amend the lines which are often quoted these days:
‘Easy times make soft, happy people;
Hard times make….. misery and dead people!’
There’s little if any advanced technology in the Dark Ages. When things collapse, pretty much everything is left behind.
@Rodster The Middle Ages are full of technologies! To make iron from different ores needs complex knowledge and here in the area people have done that for 6000 years. Knowledge is needed to make charcoal, primitive glass, fibre for textiles, ceramics, food preservation, keeping animals, grow vegetables and crop, drainage and soil preservation, knowledge of herbs to keep healthy and for population control (the old used herbs not to get pregnant). If you want to keep up knowledge you’d need something like paper and ink. To write on stone, wood and clay needs a lot of space and you cannot carry it. (No, no, dont think of my lovely chamois as a kind of renewable parchment, the poors.)
The Middle Ages had a lot pf social idealism, read old juridical papers! They had bricks, wheels and barrels from wood, and I still dont know how they have managed to build them. Think of boats and ships and navigation for fishing and trade! The Middle Ages as a kind of Bronzeage had economical instruments of trust and security and finance and pooling risks – and a lingua franca.
If you look to megalithic times it is obvious they had technology that is lost today.
As a boy I have seen farmers clearing the fields of larger stones “the old way”. They used long sticks as a lever. It is amazing what is possible – but no way to build megalithic constructions like stonehenge.
Jan, a city of 2 million will not be resettled. It is the lucky, skillful, smart, healthy, aggressive, hard working, social 2000 out of 2 million that will form a new settlement. The other 1,998,000 will die.
another definition of a city is a feedlot
if you look at a feedlot, its just animals standing around waiting for food to be delivered
Norman, US cities are feedlots, federal money in, blue votes out. Nothing else of value. As FFs fail, food will need to be rationed to the cities to feed the blue blob.
Does he explain the workings of BAU Lite?
it’s on the link you gave mejust scroll downand watch the short video it definitely looks like the Elder’s are doing a cull.
You’re such a party pooper. 💩
The Rapacious Primate just want to perpetuate the status quo. Nobody likes disruptive minds slapping oozing Ugly Truths over their copium and hopiate laced egotistical fantasies of an evermore fantastic tomorrow.
“No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.“
— Plato
One thing is for sure in this universe and it is the impermanence of everything. The Rapacious Primate seeks something definitive, a solid ground from where they can scale up into the tree plumes and project, fantasize, control and dominate the habitat. I.e, Hypers gonna hyper, cope from existential angst and severely employ unfair advantage, thus manifesting devolution.
But don’t get me wrong, within temptation is truth and a simpler life in the tree plumes is perhaps not so bad after all?
No matter what is attempted, this universe won’t yield to departure from (de)evolutionary process. If it did, we wouldn’t be here in the first place to begin with. And by evolutionary process I mean that which whatever causes adaptation to manifest in a species.
Repeat after me:
YOLO!
MOAR!
TRYHARD!
FAILED SPECIES!!
It was a good try, but ultimately slapping a huge neocortex on a crude primate baseline gives rise to a vile species – The Rapacious Primate, destined for devolution, or worse, a perpetual stagnation and endless repetition of the same old tropes and schtick. An eternal recurrence in boredom and absurdity.
You should try posting this on that SS — I wonder how they’d react?
Notice how the Rapacious Primate reacts with anger when informed that MOAR has its limits…
It’s like trying to take food from a chimp … they’ll rip your arm off if they get hold of you.
They all think they are so clever — they didn’t inject the rat juice… they are just slightly less stoooopid than a booster MORE-ON.
It’s amusing the people who see the truth about the pseudo-vaxxes almost to a man reject any notion that the world might be over-populated, in energy crisis, or that there i such a thing as ‘carrying capacity’ or ‘over-shoot’.
Of course, this is emotion, not reasoning, and perfectly understandable. I;d love it to be true myself!
Just get rid of Gates & Co, BlackRock, the 0.1%, etc, and all will be well……
Check out the MORE-ONS… feel free to taunt them.
How Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab, Yuval Noah Harari and Dennis Meadows (and their masters!) can help solve the REAL overpopulation problem
https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/how-bill-gates-klaus-schwab-yuval
Except we don’t really have the knowledge level and support systems needed to support one to two billion people today. We don’t have a good way of going back to a pre-fossil fuel system that works, that I can see.
You are shattering my delusion that sees 6B culled and a Utopian Wonderland for the Pure Bloods…
FE, with 2b on earth, can I still have my computer, internet, warm water, tasty imported food, nice clothes, electrical appliances, travel by plane, train, cars, etc?
20% of 8B is 1.6B which does 6.4B worth of work.
2B gives you .4B spares so to speak.
It might not be easy, but perhaps doable. Not an expert in these things, idle musings.
Dennis L.
It is approximately correct to say that nobody works. It’s the machine that works.
0.01% knows anything about how a machine works and can build it anyway.
99.99% just want to perpetuate the status quo of whatever prestige, status, comforts, “lifestyle”, got projected their way and into the (sub)conscious throughout life. They consider existence itself as a fundamental problem and suffering its ultimate manifestation.
Yes, go listen to JBP and be a good tryhard attaboy and find yourself a generic consumerist MOARon. All retch and no vomit until the sun blows up into a grande finale of fire and fury sterilizing earth.
I’m trying to convince myself that is possible … and failing.
BTW – a couple of interesting anecdotes… a multi boosted couple were telling me that they had covid after 3 shots – and they said ‘it’s not a normal virus’ — the husband was on his ass for two weeks – the wife was hospitalized.
They asked if I was vaxxed – no — have I had covid – yes — how was it — I took hydroxy and was good in a couple of days – M Fast took nothing – it was like a mild flu – cleared 5 days.
They did not say hmmm… hmmm… maybe the vax made it worse.
Played hockey earlier — most of the people were under 30… mostly fairly high level players including a few on the national team… final third of the match a huge drop off in speed — people on the bench muttering how they feel out of shape…. I reckon that’s the vax … I felt fine.
That’s all for now from your roving correspondent Fast Eddy
Thanks for the update Fast. Remember the pure of blood shall inherit the Earth.
no
That’s what I was saying to Adonis that the system is too complex for 2 billion people to function. The choice really is keep BAU going as long as it can or it is a total collapse and back to the Dark Ages.
What about the 80/20 rule?
Dennis L.
well, maybe there’s another 80/20:
perhaps 20% carry on with bAU and the 80% descend into dire poverty.
less resources used that way?
We do have this knowledge, at least large parts. It comes from archeology and a lot of idealists that have recognized the problems we are talking about and tried to find solutions and also as knowledge kept in some families.
The problem is how to condense this knowledge, keep the essentials and implement them.
I am afraid in a larger crash this knowledge will get lost.
A lot of knowledge is not in writing but in training. That is another problem.
as i see it, the ‘having knowledge’ thing misses the point
‘knowledge’ to make essentials has been around for millennia—textiles, wheels, steel, glass, pottery, ships,–to name but a few.
post collapse, what will be missing is quantity and surplus energy.
everyone has wheels now, not because of some ‘breakthrough’ in technology, but because fossil fuel delivered enough surplus energy to provide them in such quantities as to be cheaply available.
The Romans made beautiful glass—but not cheaply enough to put in windows.
this applies to everything we take for granted
They did use glass in windows in the heyday of glass making in the 1st Century.
Glass making pretty much died off though before the collapse of the empire due to lack of fuel.
i didnt know they put it in any windows at all—that must have been pretty exclusive
as you pointed out—until they ran out of fuel
Here in Cambridge the evidence suggests that the Saxons got their glass – beads and vessels – from Roman sites and graves. They loved it, but couldn’t make it.
My English grandfather made and restored stained glass windows ( St Paul’s, the Tower of London to name two places) : the tools used are very simple indeed, so the fuel factor was the crucial one given the craft knowledge.
I wonder whether coloured glass was at first imported from Italy and East when it all started again? Or just the artisans themselves?
The architecture of c1100 is astonishing when one considers just how low Europe fell after Rome.
I wonder whether coloured glass was at first imported from Italy and East when it all started again? Or just the artisans themselves?
They worked out how to make coloured glass using tesserae from old Roman mosaics and recycled Roman glass.
For example one or two red tesserae could be ground up and added to the mix which was melted together.
He, the chamois are my friends! They are so sweet, please don’t call them renewables!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamois
“As their meat is considered tasty, chamois are popular game animals.”
hunter/gatherers approve this message.
grilled? mmmm…
a nice large piece of expensive dark chocolate for dessert…
perhaps Belgian?
or Swiss?
aahh…
They are lovely animals and when I walk the mountains to look for plants and anchient relics they accompany me. I am convinced they know that my walking sticks cannot fire and they come close, like 2m to eye me. And when I walk a difficult area they encourage me like, come on it’s easy! Just do like me! Guys, guys, I dont have feet that hold me on rainy rocks, I am a bit slower…
I cannot think of them as “renewables” or “tasty”. I think they are lovely, though I wouldnt like to mess with them at a close distance.
like the time when a swan approached me, with a fishing line hanging out of its mouth, which i removed, without thinking much about it.
but when it happened a second time, in a totally different location, i realised that the swan (on both occasions) had figured out it could trust a human enough to get help in a situation it couldn’t resolve itself.
i found that very moving and enlightening somehow.
What a beautiful thing to do.
I may have misjudged you.
Perhaps you do have a soul after all.
Once a NOF always a NOF
amazing!
i thought that too at the time
such a lovely connection, the first time the swan came to the car window (parked at the waterside) and just looked at me, the second time it happened on a footpath at the lakeside.
Doesn’t that mean animal have some kind of managerial competence? Who has hands and brain to solve this task? Let’s try hooman!
Could a dog that is raised in the city and knows how to go by car and in which can is the most delicious food survive like foxes and wolves in the wilderness?
Isn’t modern man not just like such dogs? Wouldn’t this mean there must be people that start a new system so that ‘city boys’ can adapt and use the new system and human lineages go on?
Who could do this?
animals are much more competent than humans
no animal messes up the only home it has, so that it becomes unlivable,
humans have done just that.
But 99.9999+% of species have gone extinct, whether or not we think of them as “messing up their homes.”
that wasn’t through them messing up their homes
vast numbers went extinct before humans showed up–that was just changing living conditions on the planet, over vast stretches of time. Or they gradually morphed ito another creature—strictly speaking, our ape-like ancestors are now extinct, but they became us over several million years.
but when homo erectus showed up, that put paid to even more species, in a matter of decades in some cases
We know that bacteria turn grape juice (and other sweet juices) into wine. The processes stop when the amount of alcohol in the wine kills off the bacteria. So this is clearly an example of another species that “messes up its home.”
Furthermore, many different things happened to lead to past extinction of species. For example, the climate changed, making other species better adapted than these resources were.
Or the ecosystem in which they lived went through its natural cycle, and somehow removed some needed food source or other resource on which it depended. For example, forests often require fires to “regenerate” them. They burn down the smaller trees and shrubs growing on the forest floor. The heat allows seeds of some trees to “pop open” and grow; they cannot start growing without this fire, but the fire adversely affects some other species.
i don’t see that as messing up a home, it is i think more of an eco system with each playing a necessary part to sustain the whole
the ‘whole’ is a co-dependent system, , remove one and ultimately the entire system will collapse
If it is about “messing up one’s home” I could be the first to go extinct. I am a talent!
me too jan
we will join each other in eternal oblivion
@Norman Deal!
the Big Picture is adapting leads to extinction… so I don’t see these adaptations as intelligence …
The dog would not build a city to begin with – that is intelligence.
I can see how this line of thinking … which requires minimum 1500HP to conceptualize let alone originate… would cause the operating system of almost all humans to crash.
The thing we refer to as intelligence — is actually profound stooopidity … as per the accepted definitions for both terms.
Anything activity carried out by a species that contributes to its extinction .. is stooopidity… thus intelligence is stooopidity….
a dog does not farm.
One of the permaculture dudes said “Everything gardens.” We cultivate other animals and plants. Ants cultivate aphids. Knotweed and walnuts change the state of the soil around themselves. Everything tries to optimize its surroundings to meet its needs.
Hoolio is cultivating FE, such that FE might provide him with nice sheepskin rugs and leather sofas to sleep upon, and a nice petrol-guzzling car to take Hoolio for medical treatment as needed. Hoolio is operating within the bounds of IndCiv, whether FE likes to think of it that way or not.
Good point!
It is nothing inherently wrong with blowing through finite resources and then facing extinction.
The burning question is how “we” feel about it. I reckon we don’t like it very much, yet wrap ourselves in various hoping and coping mechanisms cuz hoomans just want to feel good about themselves.
But the realities of ‘feeling good’ doesn’t manifest through wishful thinking. Feeling good means accepting suck at the same time.
However, embracing the suck is so far out there in crazy man’s land that it doesn’t even occur that some cutting of the little luxuries and conveniences might in fact make rapacious primates feel better about themselves.
Because, you see, voluntary pain and physical discomfort is such a powerful “renormalizer” from the cobwebs of disillusionment from unrealistic expectations and the lard accumulating comfort zone.
And I’m not thinking about some outrageous training regimens, just enough so that sofa, cup of coffee and some wine gums feel heaven sent when finished turning the cranks, or whatever makes you embrace the suck.
Over a long enough time frame, the resources we burn through may not be as limited as they are in our lifetimes. Bedrock will erode, allowing more minerals to appear in the soil we see, for example. Fresh water aquifers may refill over a long enough time frame. New forests can be expected to grow. We have fossil fuels today. We don’t know of anything else in the “works,” but we could be wrong. The fact that nature regenerates allows cycles to occur.
Even if we use some of these resources, we don’t need to think we are necessarily depriving future generations. Each generation adapts to what is available.
our current lifestyle demands that we burn through stores of carbon based fuels.
as youve said yourself Gail, carbon based fuels are essential to create other energy sources.
until we began to extract fossilised carbon fuels, the growth of humankind was governed by the availability of bio-energy. (ie directly from the sun itself)
when the fossilied carbon energy sources are used up, our descendants will have no choice but to re-adapt themselves to using only stuff that grows each year—-bio energy.
we most certainly are depriving future generations of the means we have enjoyed for the last 200 years or so.
carbon based resources regenerate only at the speed of plant growth.
minerals arrived with the creation of the planet itself, we know what they are and where they are
very few of them are useful to us in the context of everyday activities. There will be no more.
Corrosion is the killer factor for most mineral resources, once exposed to air.
there is nothing ‘in the works’.
All the available elements are known to us. There is nothing ‘out there’ which is going to allow BAU.
And a Merry Christmas to all OFW inmates too.
Rooks seem to know rather accurately the distance when they are out of range of a shotgun. They too can tell a walking stick from a gun, however if you raise one like a gun they often don’t take the chance.
Now, if humans could only tell when a syringe is in fact a weapon……
For 150 years we have been conditioned to believe that a syringe means protection and a pill means health,IOW that medicine cures and that the doctor exists to help us.
Questioning all this is as difficult as it is for a child to question his parents’ love and wisdom.
Alastair Crooke explains that UKR is 100% certain to lose the war against Russia, and that the NATO war is an astonishing fiasco in the middle of Europe. The Neo-Cons have blundered spectacularly, and geo-politics and geo-finance are now shifting radically away from the West.
The Western states and media have flooded the public with childish lies about the war, and they have employed methods of mass psychological manipulation that were developed during Covid.
“The Covid phenomenon has provided an invaluable training session in public mind-control techniques…. We can recognise clearly these tools precisely deployed by the West in the case of Ukraine, too.”
Alastair Crooke is a former British diplomat, and the founder and director of the Beirut-based Conflicts Forum.
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2022/12/19/managing-the-ukraine-denial-narrative/
> Managing the Ukraine Denial Narrative
Look around: the tectonic plates of geo-politics and geo-finance are shifting – shifting radically away from an increasingly flailing West.
The inflection has begun. It has been messaged by the Financial Times (FT) and The Economist – the two media that so faithfully transmit any ‘replacement narrative’ to the globalist sherpas (those who carry the baggage up the mountain, on behalf of the mounted nabobs).
The Economist leads with interviews with Zelensky, General Zaluzhny and Ukraine’s military field commander, General Syrsky. All three are interviewed – interviewed in The Economist, no less. Such a thing does not occur by happenstance. It is messaging intended to convey the Ruling Class’ new narrative to the ‘golden billion’ (who will all read and absorb it).
On the surface, it is possible to read The Economist piece as a plea for more money and many more weapons. But the underlying messaging is clear: “Anyone who underestimates Russia is heading for defeat”. The Russian force mobilisation was a success; there is no problem with Russian morale; and Russia is preparing a huge winter offensive that will start soon. Russia has huge reserve forces (of up to 1.2 million men); whereas Ukraine now has 200,000 who are militarily trained for conflict. The ‘writing is on the wall’, in other words. Ukraine cannot win.
It is appended with a huge shopping list of sought-after weapons. But the shopping list is ‘pie in the sky’; the West simply does not have them in inventory. Period.
The FT’s ‘Big Read’, by contrast, is a venting of deep western anger at those Russian ‘reformist’ siloviki technocrats who, instead of breaking with Putin over the SMO, instead shamefully enabled the Russian economy to survive western sanctions. The message uttered – through clenched teeth – is that Russia’s economy has successfully survived western sanctions.
Leading US military strategist, Col. Douglas Macgregor, here expands on the messaging: Even the provision of seven or eight Patriot missiles is “no escalation”. It will have at best – ‘marginal impact’ on the Ukraine battlescape; it is mere window dressing. Scott Ritter, in discussion with Judge Neapolitano, believes that The Economist interviews reveal the West pushing aside Zelensky – as Zaluzhny administers his large dose of reality (that will be shocking to many sherpa loyalists). The Economist interview emphasis thus was unmistakably on General Zaluzhny, with Zelensky pointedly de-emphasised – which Ritter suggests indicates that Washington wishes to ‘switch leadership horses’. Another ‘message’?
Just to be clear, General Zaluzhny once said he considers himself a disciple of Russian General Gerasimov, the Chief of General Staff. Zaluzhny reportedly is familiar with the latter’s writings. In brief, Zaluzhny is known in Moscow as a professional soldier (albeit one committed to the Ukrainian nationalist cause).
So, is the West preparing its narrative to cut from this unwinnable conflict –Ukraine – and to move on?
Is this feasible? Is the West not too deeply invested narratively in the ‘Bleed Russia’ storyline; Putin must not be allowed to win; for that to happen? No, it can happen. Look what occurred in Afghanistan: A huge and profitable boondoggle was wound up within days. And just over a year later, on its anniversary, the Kabul débacle is scarcely noted in the Western press.
Media headlines moved on seamlessly from Afghanistan to Ukraine, scarcely with a backwards glance. And already, a diversionary ‘tethered goat’ is being prepared to grab compliant western MSM attention, as the Ukraine meme is quietly shelved, and Serbia’s ‘aggression’ against Kosovo becomes the new ‘aggression’.
Serbia may strike the western Ruling Class as ‘low-hanging fruit’ with which NATO could burnish its tarnished image (post-Afghanistan and Ukraine). Simply put, Serbia daily is being threatened by EU and US officials: Join with Europe in sanctioning Russia; recognize formally Kosovan independence; abandon the Serbs who have lived in Kosovo for centuries; join the EU and NATO – as a part of an anti-Russian bloc; and ‘no’, all those past legal accords have no import, and will be ignored.
The crux? The clear majority of Serbians favour Russia. It is doubtful any government in Belgrade could survive complying with such ultimata – yet Serbia is in a vulnerable situation. It is an island surrounded by NATO and EU states. The government in Belgrade is proposing to send 1000 Serbian police to Kosovo to protect the rights of the local Serbian population, but NATO may want to use this as a pretext to show off its military muscle.
The main question is: Will Ukraine find its ‘soft landing’? Surely ‘Collective Biden’ might prefer that. A ‘soft landing’ however, seems improbable. The Grand Old Duke of York did not march 10,000 men up to the top of the hill, only to march them down again (as the old song goes). And Putin has not mobilised 380,000 men (including volunteers), only ‘to march them ‘down again’. The breach with the EU and the US is profound. Chancellor Scholtz saying that when Russia has withdrawn from Ukraine, Germany may deign to take its gas and oil again, is pure delusion. To say there is no trust is an understatement. That said, Moscow will want to manage matters in such a way that does not trigger a direct NATO conflict with Russia.
But … can the West, which has been so deep in denial about both the incredible economic and military transformation that has occurred in Russia since 1998, and in such vehement denial too, of the capacities of the Russian military, simply slide effortlessly into another narrative? Yes, easily. The neocons never look back; they never apologise. They move to the next project …
Huge effort has been expended on constructing the ‘Russia-as-paper-tiger’ narrative – even if this has meant intelligence services saying things about Russian performance in Ukraine that were patently absurd and false. Professor Mike Vlahos and Col. Macgregor in their three-part debate on Ukraine and the role of the US military in this conflict, keep returning to their theme of the unprecedented quality of ‘denial and deceit’ that has characterised this conflict. Why did the professional intelligence authorities of the West lie – and lie so childishly?
The two strategists express their surprise that some of their professional colleagues seemed to have believed in the ‘denial narrative’ (i.e. that today’s Russia is no different to the Soviet Union, and that it would take only one big puff and the Russian house would again blow down) – despite the accumulation of conflicting evidence available to these colleagues.
There has been clearly an ecstatic quality to this latest narrative: That WW2 and the Soviet implosion (in the western narrative), had set off a complete tectonic cultural victory. It represented an unalloyed reaffirmation of American culture and financial might, and gave credence to the ‘End to History’, such that the American model inevitably would subsume the world.
So, is that it? Was the collapse of a resurrected Russia simply seen in this vein? An easy win, bringing in its wake a further ecstatic triumph? Was this so self-evident to these ‘true-believers’ that they did not even bother to do due diligence?
Why did this ‘denial narrative’ become so compelling to so many Europeans as well as Americans? Why did so many believe the Ukrainian obvious PR fabrications? Vlahos and Macgregor found this both puzzling and a worrying flaw to rational western decision-making. And one that substantially contributed to growing US military dysfunctionality.
The two discussants were heavily focussed on the PR aspect (at one point Ukraine had no less than 150 PR institutions working on its behalf). But we are in a different ball-game today.
PR and Orwell’s Ministry of Truth are passé. Over. Gone.
“The mental unity of crowds”
“I’m not a media adviser, says Nevo Cohen, the adviser credited by Israel’s new National Security Minister, Ben-Gvir, for his Far Right victory in the recent Israeli elections; “I’m a strategic adviser … Once it was possible to win campaigns as a PR person. Today, it isn’t good enough …The media is an important tool in the campaign manager’s toolbox, but I deal with mass consciousness, and that’s a completely different arsenal of tools. You can easily notice an election campaign run by somebody from the advertising world”. (Emphasis added.)
Vlahos and Macgregor analysed the unaccountable divorce between two war realities that just did not touch at any point. However, Professor of Clinical Psychology at Ghent University, Mattias Desmet, has approached the disparity issue from a psychological perspective.
One fine morning in November 2017, Professor Desmet, staying at a friend’s cottage in the Ardennes, was seized with a sudden intuition : “[…] I was gripped by the palpable and acute awareness of a new totalitarianism that had left its seed and made the fabric of society stiffen”. His observations after three years’ research led him to write his book The Psychology of Totalitarianism.
Many have written on the subject of totalitarianism – from Hannah Arendt to Gustav Le Bon (inter alii) – but Desmet’s approach differed in that he was intent on explaining the psychological background to mass denial of self-evident realities (by scientists and experts, as much as anyone).
He identified certain “primitive psychological mechanisms” which needed to be present for a distributed narrative to evolve into an insidious ‘mass formation’ that destroys an individual’s ethical self-awareness and robs them of their ability to think critically.
The primary condition was for there to be a segment of population lacking community bonds or meaning in their lives, and being further afflicted by ‘free-floating anxiety and discontent’, which leans towards aggressivity (i.e. by generalised feelings that ‘the system’ and economy are ‘rigged’ unfairly, against them).
Essentially then, mass movements attract people because they seem to offer hope to forlorn and dysfunctional beings.
Into this mental state, a narrative can be ‘dissolved’, suggesting a particular cause to the free-floating anxiety – and a means to deal with it (i.e. such as ‘Russia threatens our global advantage, our identity and values, and were it to be destroyed, the old system and values will right itself’).
The explanatory narrative gives an immediate sense of connection and of offering engagement in a ‘heroic project’; meaning thus is restored, even if that meaning be absurd, in relation to reality. The feeling of connectivity is akin to what occurs in crowd psychology. In the soul of crowds, Gustave Le Bon believed, “conscious personality vanishes” (True Believer, 2013); individuality fades away, and is absorbed by “the mental unity of the crowds” –eventually resembling a “meeting of imbeciles” capable of the “most bloodthirsty acts”.
But perhaps most disquieting, Eric Hoffer found another kind of individual who is attracted to mass movements– in fact, whose participation is often necessary for such movements to thrive. “What Eric Hoffer found, and what has often been overlooked by many sociologists and certainly by the general public, is that mass movements attract what we now call the psychopathic personality – in essence predators: individuals who are content in causing great harm, who perhaps are even sadistic, and yet aren’t bothered in the least by what they do”.
Mass movements that see war as part of their solution attract, and even need, psychopaths. Paradoxically, the willingness to desire the destruction (say, of all Russians), garners more respect from fellow true-believers and is connected to another paradoxical element: What binds the mass formation movements is the need to sacrifice (i.e. in the climate change movement, the sacrifice of industrialisation, travel, lifestyles, fossil fuels – and economic well being).
“The Fear programme, now an accepted part of the armoury of democratic politics”
Gustav Le Bon noted how such mass formations were exploited by the authorities, using fear to enforce compliance. And this week, Janet Daley, writing in the The Telegraph, warns:
“The critical lesson that has been indelibly absorbed by people in power, and those who advise them, is that fear works. There is, it turns out, almost nothing that a population will not sacrifice if they are systematically, relentlessly frightened.
“The Covid phenomenon has provided an invaluable training session in public mind-control techniques: the formula was refined – with the assistance of sophisticated advertising and opinion-forming advice – to an astonishingly successful blend of mass anxiety (your life is in danger) and moral coercion (you are putting other people’s lives in danger).
“But it was not just the endless repetition of that message that accomplished the almost universal, and quite unexpected, compliance. It was the comprehensive suppression of dissent even when it came from expert sources – and the prohibition on argument even when it was accompanied by counter-evidence – that really did the trick.
“If the laws of the land do not permit you to stamp out all such deviant opinions, you can simply orchestrate an avalanche of opprobrium and disrepute on those who express them so that their professional reputations are undermined. But that is yesterday’s battle. Covid – as a historic event – is over. Let’s talk about how the Fear programme, now an accepted part of the armoury of democratic politics, is likely to work in the present and future. As it happens, there is what looks like a remarkably similar model of anxiety-plus-moral-blackmail being applied to the matter of climate change. Note: these observations have no bearing on whether or not there is a true “climate crisis”. What I want to consider [rather] is how the policies that are being formulated to address it are being framed…
We can recognise clearly these tools precisely deployed by the West in the case of Ukraine, too.
Will such ‘tools of mass consciousness’ give the ‘golden billion’ their psychopathic victory over humanity?
Look around: the tectonic plates of geo-politics and geo-finance are shifting – shifting radically away from an increasingly flailing West. These are structural (mechanical forces of physical dynamics) over which the tools of mass consciousness ultimately have but limited sway. Moscow well understands these shifts that are underway – and knows how to amplify them.
Interesting ideas.
Dennis L.
IMO Col. Douglas Macgregor has a extremly valuble perspective. I think its worth noting he grew up in North Philadelphia a neighborhood as dangerous as any of the worst in the USA. My guess is he understands well that there are good reasons why one does not enter serious conflicts casually. I continue to be very impressed at how he gets to the root of any discussion with substantial knowledge and eloquence but believe that what forms his opinions is not just book learning. As of late it seems to me he grows frustrated with the incompetence of the USAs so called leaders but I also find hope in his statements that neither DC or The kremlin want a nuclear exchange. He seems to have inside contacts so this is hopeful. I think he is a realist. He knows there is a lot at stake and DC is blowing it. That he regards them as sane is hopeful.
Nobody is going to lose ‘the war’… that does not serve any purpose
The Russians consider the war to be serving a purpose for them: denazification, security, protecting Russians living in Ukraine.
Then why don’t they send in a proper force and crush this backwards shit hole of a country in a week?
Eddy
its on record, said by you last march, that the Ukraine war was being ‘staged’ by crisis actors.
No I didn’t say that – I posted multiple clips of videos of crisis actors pretending to fight — and a director – and a camera crew.
luckily eddy—i still have most of my hair
i will split a few on your behalf
But you did actually say—‘these are crisis actors’
As with all your lies–they are archived
Because that’s what you call people who are paid to act in fake war footage.
much like your comments re Sandy Hook Eddy
they were all crisis actors too
plus much much more–luckily all archived
Your need to lie incessantly is obviously a deep rooted problem, I can only sympathise, because I wish no ill to anyone.
But you really do have an attention-seeking problem, and I do understand why. Your constant lying is your main way of feeding it. You will say anything to get attention. Most of it is trivial nonsense of course, but Sandy Hook????
And I’m the idiot for responding to it.
But it’s necessary to point it out to your courtiers, as a public service.
Remember, all BS merchants end up knee deep in it.
How d’you figure that Zelensky is going anywhere? Congress is being made to have a command performance for him just now.
Interesting article, thank you.
The Ukrainian war will be forgotten in a world war.
The US population does not vote for soldiers dying in a war. So I guess they switched to two new strategies: digital services that make the world dependend and steerable by the US. Don’t forget many of the Social Media were incubated by the CIA. That easily leads to specific mind manipulation. The historic examples are there: theatre and religions have always played this part. The second strategy is to lure people into the intended war and don’t send troops.
Piketty says a declining economy, a permanent recession, is administratable – but only under authoritarian rule. The idea has long been a ‘paternal authority’ and EU and WHO are build after this scheme. Even Kill Bill presents himself as the good shepherd.
Scarce resources must be distributed by coordination the market are unable to do so. People will be dissatisfied and not able to agree on national decisons, so democracy will fail.
I guess a world war is to come to redistribute the resources that are left. If we talk about the Caspian Sea, the Street of Hormuz, the Arabic peninsula, Middle East and Venezuela it is unthinkable that no world war between China, Russia, Nato and perhaps India should occur.
I just don’t know where Nato wants to get the energy from to lead a war? Will they rely on their nuclear forces?
I guess the secret idea is to concentrate power, knowledge and resources in some kind of urban hubs and let the periphery sink into poverty with the hope that thus they would develop sustainable technologies. That means civilisation is concentrated at a few locations and peope in the periphery is used as colonial second class kind of humans, protected but contolled and abused by the centers, for example Tristatecity. I guess they believe there is enough oil for such a constellation for a few hundred years more.
To me that sounds risky. Not least because of Gails economical argumentations. It might be a bad plan that must fail. What then?
Is there a plan B?
jan
it isn’t possible to concentrate knowledge into urban hubs.
knowledge exists in sieves—it spreads everywhere, no matter how many holes you block up—some always get missed.
and theres no such thing as ‘sustainable technology’ at least not in the sense of mechanisation. Technology needs energy iinput if it is to be sustainable in any sense.
Star Of Body-Positivity Show Dead From Heart Failure At Age 37
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/star-body-positivity-show-dead-heart-failure-age-37
Calhoun Rat Utopia.. we lost touch of reality. 100% sure nature will force us to revert to mean. Click on it and see the photo
I clicked – I saw.
I laughed.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/295fb9ab49a0809d1eca1277fd63b54f/tenor.gif
Wait until all the woke media debunks this one: it wasn’t the morbid obesity – it was the vaccine! Wait, take that back, I mean climate change!
I am sure even the planet breathed a sign of relief as all those resources get returned to the ecosystem.
A$$es to a$$es
Bust to dust.
Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1711159/king-of-norway-infection-hospital)
King of Norway struck down as infection sends monarch to hospital
The King of Norway has been hospitalised after falling ill with an infection.
Fake of course … but very real to a CovIDIOT
Crematoriums across China are straining to deal with an influx of bodies as the country battles a wave of Covid cases that authorities have said is impossible to track. READ: https://insiderpaper.com/chinas-crematoriums-packed-as-covid-cases-soar/
Excellent analysis of the shortfall of so-called renewable energy sources, that depend on non-renewable materials for their construction and maintenance. Our present level of energy demand, let alone our increasing energy demands, cannot be met by non-fossil fuel energy sources. The dream of switching to renewable energy sources to stop climate change is a cruel joke on a gullible and trusting populace, that benefits only an elite minority ,,, in the short term.
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/australias-former-ama-president-defects
Curious Timing of Dr. Phelps’s Submission
The vaccine injury happened to Dr. Phelps around July 2021.
Dr Phelps revealed she was also diagnosed with a vaccine injury from her second dose of Pfizer in July 2021, “with the diagnosis and causation confirmed by specialist colleagues”.
What was she doing in January 2022? That’s right, pushing Covid vaccines to be administered to kids.
I am glad and excited Dr. Phelps came out now and is detailing her vaccine injuries and making them public – as the tide is turning.
I am less happy that she contributed to vaccinating Australian children in January 2022 while fully aware that unsafe Covid vaccines poisoned her and her wife in July 2021.
Do you think Dr. Phelps is sincerely motivated by wanting to share her suffering and warn others? Or is she jumping on the anti-vaccine bandwagon as she realizes that the tide is turning?
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Impossible because there simply does not exist a vaccine injury to be diagnosed.
Married butch lesbian pushing death jabs on children? How surprising……
Still, her testimony on injuries is useful, like that of all the medical turncoats.
I support the current thing!
A top Australian doctor and former Covid vaccine advocate warns of the risks of the shots
Dr. Kerryn Phelps wanted everyone vaccinated – until she and her wife suffered side effects from Pfizer jabs. Now she says regulators are censoring the truth about Covid vaccine injuries.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/a-top-australian-doctor-and-former
Why can’t Celine Dion and Beebsie do this? Because they’d become overnight uber-villains … much hated by the CovIDIOTS
Hardly a doctor; pill pushing medical bureaucrat.
Being top dog on a pile of dogsh#t is hardly an accolade.
‘Now she says regulators are censoring the truth about Covid vaccine injuries.’….now thats just another one of those conspira-bollock theories. There is simply no way that has been happening; algternate fact check time. Get Normie on the job!
Open and honest,
Safe and effective.
Rules based international dis order
etc etc
Since the narratives told us about the injections are demonstraably false a question arises. What are the injections? Since no resouces from the funding of pharma for this are allocated the investigations are rudimentary.
One thing that is easily established as truth is we dont know… The ingrediants are redacted. In the USA it is illegal to conduct examinations of samples of the vaccines.
One of the more contencious claims is nano technology in the injections. This video is a meeting of those who have spent a lot of time trying to determine what the injections are and they clearly have formed ideas. They address the question of self assembling nano technology and possible interaction with emf and electronic devices.
I find the video amusing because it demonstrates many human characteristics. People with high intelligence have strong egos. These investigators have formed opinions.
Humans are creatures of paradigm. Some have faith in the official narrative. Evidence otherwise assaults their paradigm. Now we reach a point where the paradigms of what the injections are amongst those that feel the official narrative is a sham collide. The attorney sees the laws have been violated. The Virologist sees the injections only within the paradigm of immunology. The patent researcher sees the law in terms of patent, The nano electrical electrical engineer sees things from his paradigm. The microscope imagery engineer seems things from his paradigm. The vaccine safety protocol professional sees things from her perspective.
They all know that their paradigm has been grossly violated by the injections. This forms ideas about what the nature of the injections are but those ideas are radically different as they are a result of the particular paradigm.
Myself i think its highly probable there are technologies that are not soley biological but electro mechanical in nature in the injections. It is supported by the patents and statements by Klaus Swaab and others. But there is n proof just observations. Intuition. Ituition is often right but just as often wrong.
More important a question is asked in the video. Even if we could prove something what then? All legal avenues that challenge the injections have been removed completely both in the law and in actuality. In fact this was not a one time event. Testing substances in humans appears to be the norm in the future.
From a pragmatic perspective if injected do in fact emit a IP address we have a good tool to confirm is someone is genuine uninjected or lieing. It also renders the controversies about vaccine data bases and vaccine passports irrelevant if the injected verify with a transmission of a IP address.
As usual the investigators seem unable to comprehend that the differences in lot characteristic and all the violations of their individual paradigm stem from the fact that these substances are produced under operation warp speed process and are not pharmaceutical products. Their paradigm is rendered obsolete quite suddenly. As all our paradigms have been. As we attempt to cope is what replaces our old paradigm science or science fiction? Thata a hard question nowadays. For instance i constantly question if the claims of nano tech are true are these technologies human technologies. This is speculation but IMO a valid question.
I found the video interesting. It allowed questions in my mind. Is the purpose of the injections biological or electro mechanical in nature or both? It is three hours long. Dont expect any conclusive answers. Those that are familar with the conflicts that arise within disciplines might find it familiar and amusing.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/cSRyCSp6vP0O/
So billions injected a substance that we are told was invented and tested in less than a year — for which there are no ingredient details — and the insert with the vials is blank.
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Indeed shocking if this was a pharmacutical product not a DOD contract substance manufactured under the new process created with the designation “operation warp speed”. A pallet of artillery shells doesn’t list ingredients either. ALL the rules are being broken if this was a pharmacutical product- process- testing- ecetera- ecetera-ecetera. The structure didnt just happen. Its a new era one in which substances are tested directly in humans. The rules are not broken they do not apply. The rules apply to pharmacutical products these aint. Its a case where looks like a duck walks like a duck is wrong. We can lament this lament that but op warp speed substances are not going away au contraire their are hundreds of new ones on the way. Some may even offer substantial benefits. At a price and it aint money. Legalizing cannabis was big news? That was a dust speck. Obviously cannabis a relatively benign substance is not the same but you get the picture. Is there a ingredient list on the fent coming in?
Nobody injected artillery shells…
Super Fent … ain’t a aphrodisiac… all that matters is that it solves a problem
A move to testing on whole populations, regardless of any clinical justification, ditching all prior regulatory and ethical constraints.
As Fauci said at the Milken Institute vax conference in late 2019 ‘Why not just blow up the whole system?!’ The video is still on YT, amazingly.
This isn’t quoted much, but gets to the heart of the matter – just like the vaxxes.
The approach is commercial (rapid market penetration and control) and military (‘acceptable collateral damage’) not medical.
Bingo.
Its a completely new animal. It has structure and legal basis. It was not created casually. While operation warp speed is the ” one ring that binds” its legal structure is well established over some two decades and diverse. The medical structure could not support the rapid development and deployment of the new substances and the effects on the population desired so a comercial/military hybrid structure was created. Covid was the catalyst for its rollout. Its process of development and manufacture bear no resemblance to the obsolete medical structure.
Individuals deeply invested in the now obsolete medical legal structure keep on trying to understand events as if the obsolete structures paradigm still exists. While the old structure still exists it is only to incorporate its assets into the new structure as seamlessly as possible. It has largely already occurred. Cries of “foul” sound unheard in the cold night those that voice them unable to understand that the old paradigm is dead and buried. The new structure having assimilated the assets of the old its appearance is the same as the old. Most people not concerning themselves with specifics either are not aware that a completely new animal has arrived or dont care.
The old medical structure grows more faint everyday. 99.9% of Its former participants have transitioned to the commercial military legal structure. Its somewhat like a new corporation buy out of a business. Sometimes when a corporation buys out a business the business stays the same but the brand changes. More often in recent history when a corporation buys out a business the brand stays the same but the process and product are completely different. What is the same is the transfer of assets from one organism to another. The thing we knew as pharmaceutical products has changed in ways are both familiar with and unfamiliar with as we have experienced fundamental changes in products. It is not just a simple buy out of a brand to hawk a 1000x inferior product.New technology is incorporated. Cost savings are incorporated. MIC has ownership with commercial a huge benefactor. Efficiency is prioritized over safety. These are characteristics that generally create a robust organism in the age we live in. The old legal structure could not accommodate these radical changes. It was quietly discarded.
Considering the radical nature of the differences between the processes and products of the obsolete medical legal organism and the new commercial/military legal organism the near seamless transition can only be considered a unqualified success by the creators of the new organism.
They care not about the cries of foul. What they have birthed is alive and strong. It shows every sign of a long and resilient life. What is gone is the old medical/legal structure and most dont even realize the change.
IMO the fact that the injections have a safety profile that is rather hazardous was not desired. It works against a seamless transition. The fact that this hazardous safety profile was encountered during the first rollout of the completely new process/product only demonstrates the resilience and tenacity of the new military/commercial legal organism. Just think it encountered this during its birthing when it was vulnerable, how strong this new organism is! The hazardous safety profile also demonstrates the reasons and purpose of the obsolete and discarded medical legal structure. Its advantages were understood but it was none the less discarded for the different advantages of the new military commercial legal structure.
The old medical legal structure was incompatible with the brave new world. It has been terminated. When we first experienced the shock that Japanese made cars and more importantly the processes that created them were the future we were shocked. It wore off. We adapted. This is totally different but the shock of the radical change will wear off also with time. It helps that 99% are not even aware of the radical change. The change will only be referenced once a product is developed that has strong benefits and out of chance not development has a reasonable safety profile. That may not occur as the new technology seems to have a inherently hazardous safety profile as demonstrated by the obsolete medical legal stop of its rollout. But you never know. Things change.
Exactly, that is why the Fauci outburst about ‘blowing things up ‘ is so important.
They have killed the pre-existing order, but not held an obvious burial ceremony.
Also, the head of the UK regulators the MHRA announced her change of mission from ‘watchdog’ to ‘enabler’ – very important conceptually and in its implications.
This is also on to be found on YT, a conference at Somerville College, Oxford earlier this year. Summarised, excellently, on the Darkhorse Podcast Clips as well.
Those who ask ‘What are the regulators doing?!’ fail to see that they have assumed their new roles and all is going just as intended, in line with the new paradigm.
Yesterday I was your emperor’, said Nero: ‘but today I am a GOD! See how my face shines, and worship me!’
They are as mad, as powerful and as dangerous.
Wait till they hit one of the 200 substances on the way out of the ball park. Say a injection that makes viagra look like skittles and lets you boink like a 20 year old porn star? You think people will give two hoots about informed consent then? We have been going this direction anyway. How many doctors really read that insert? Its the glossy brochure that tells you you soon will experience a new xxx thats important. Testing on animals first will soon be regarded as a primitive superstition. The computer says that four story apartment house framed only with 2x4s is OK why not your double plus good injections?
If this is such a moral and ethical institution how come doctors and medical corps are allowed to get kickbacks for prescribing ANY pharmaceutical product? MSM has a hissy fit about the Sacklers having wings named after them in medical institutions but doesnt question the practice of kickbacks for prescribing a pharmaceutical product? The sacklers were evil for offering a kickback on oxycontin but only because it was a opioid the practice itself of offering graft for prescribing a pharmaceutical product that people ingest is not questioned?
The injections were not the virgin mary suddenly sinning. More like a gambling syndicate expanding its horizons. Super hero Trump (captain kirk reborn) just cutting a little red red tape to allow YOU better living through modern op warp speed substances. CMON. Its not the 1700s. They know what they are doing. Cutting red tape for YOU! One of the greatest achievements of his administration!
How many Pfizer ads did you hear on the radio today? I heard three. You see Pfizer is concerned about you. They are educating for the public good so people understand the wonderful options they can ask their doctor about. Wait till the 200 new substances hit! Its going to be big! Talk about a economic “shot in the arm”.
The nano/biotech state of the art is incredibly crude. You can totally forget about self-assembling routers, MAC or IP addresses, etc. Lots of dense solutions will form crystals with right angles as material (proteins, small molecules, or ions) fall out of solution. That’s all it is – clowns who don’t know what they’re looking at under a light microscope.
If the world doesn’t implode in the next two-three decades, some pretty cool (or terrible) stuff may be possible in nano/biotech. You can freak out then. Be patient!
Out of respect for others, I have decided to limit my comments to one complete sentence.
How noble! Thats not a complete sentence is it? Two violations…
Myself I repect by using enough words to communicate effectively. My standard of concise could be considered excessive i suppose.
Would the ultimate respect be demonstrated by nodding silently in reverence?
Style doesnt end at Strunk and White. (thank god).
Hold on a sec. I see what you did there. Lulled us into a false sense of security!
https://largest.org/culture/sentences-in-english/
Worlds longest sentence is about 13,000 words.
Just a word salad, but plenty on here are known to toss words about avoiding answering ‘the’ question.
okay, that’s good, now the internet will have more room for the rest of us to ramble on about stuff.
No idea for a gift for Christmas to yourself? 🙂
I suggest ‘Travels’ by Ibn Battuta (which I have just finished to read it), a very interesting historical book which can give you a very reliable idea of how people lived and how societies were structured without fossil fuels around 1.300 AD.
If you don’t know it, it is a sort of ‘Il Milione’ by Marco Polo (also extremely interesting book and that I read it with pleasure), but from middle east side.
It could be difficult to admit for someone, but during that time middle east was living a flourishing period, better than European continent which was still living a turbulent time after the collapse of the Eastern and Western Roman Empire.
It is very nice to read that book (historical notes by the editor even more interesting in order to understand details of living. So better to chose a good edition. In case of interest my Italian edition is by Einaudi with editor notes by Claudia M.Tresso who won a prize for that).
I hope you will enjoy it.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ibn-Battuta/Time-in-India-and-later-journeys
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ibn-Battuta
You might well also enjoy Ibn Khaldun’s ‘Muqqadimah’ (prob wrong spelling) which set out a general theory for the rise and fall of Islamic and other empires and which dates from much the same time, although it’s not a travel book as such.
There’s an excellent book ‘The Muslim Discovery of the West’ which approaches that time from an interesting angle.
Thank you, I didn’t know him.
One of the next books.
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Khaldun
Sadly neither are on Audible … and I don’t know how to read a book while driving a car without getting killed or fined
Maybe you will have more luck with William Dalrymple’s ‘The Anarchy’ on the British corporate take-over of India on the 18th century? An excellent read, it came out 3 years ago.
I’ve read that. Pretty good.
Hello Fast Eddy, I found the book of Marco Polo 🙂
I cannot give it for granted, but maybe you can have some pleasure time with it (I hope so)
https://www.amazon.com/The-Travels-of-Marco-Polo-audiobook/dp/B07N8FP19K/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2B336WVW3G6ZS&keywords=marco+polo+audible+english&qid=1671619925&sprefix=marco+polo+audible+english%2Caps%2C204&sr=8-2
thanks
Thanks! Sounds interesting!
Ref: Our Finite World 17 Dec 2022: The economy is moving from a tailwind pushing it along to a headwind holding it back”
Gail, thank you for this succinct, updated analysis of the global energy system. I–and I believe science– agree with everything you are stating. However, I believe you are leaving out a few crucially relevant paragraphs, which, basically, are:
Per the laws of physics and principles of biology and ecology in a finite environment, infinite growth is ‘not allowed’ by the world system. Thus, whether you call it Earth’s “biocapacity” (Wackernagel/Footprint Analysis) or “carrying capacity” (Limits to Growth, ecology, etc.) — once it is exceeded –by any species– due to, for example, in the case of Homo sapiens (see Ehrlich ref at the end), several centuries of near-exponential population growth, per capita energy use, consumption and pollution; and industrial/GDP growth — overshoot occurs, often followed by collapse–in this case of much of civilization and the natural world.(a) This is the irreversible predicament we are still accelerating toward today and over the next decade-or-so.
(Refs: (1) “Revisiting The Limits to Growth” Gaya Herrington, 2021) https://www.resilience.org/stories/2021-08-16/revisiting-the-limits-to-growth/ and (2) “Overshoot” (W. Catton, 1980) https://energyskeptic.com/2013/william-catton-chapter-2-of-overshoot-the-tragic-story-of-human-success/ and (3) “Greenland is melting” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKKYt6fWob8
(a) TIPPED TIPPING PINTS
By the way, most/all of the world’s key interrelated tipping points are in fact “tipping” or “tipped” (not “may” tip, as the public is generally told) — which governments and the powers-that-be generally — are unaware of, refuse to report/discuss transparently, or purposefully obfuscate.
Thus, even if effective tomorrow we miraculously discovered infinite ‘clean’ energy (e.g., fusion, etc.) and provided it for free to the 8 billion+ humans currently in overshoot and collapse mode along with nature — the net effect would be a speeding up and intensification of the social, economic and environmental disruptions and suffering resulting from the collapse. This is because more affordable or free energy of any kind facilitates more population and industrial growth. More growth results in increasing consumption and pollution and destruction of biocapacity/carrying capacity–which is already in a well-documented overshoot and collapse state per physics/biology/ecology laws and principles (and satellite images and data, etc.).
Gail, if you agree with the preceding, then please consider including this essential ecological limits to growth component –in your own words of course– of the sustainability and energy issues that you cover in “Our Finite World”
*POPULATION AND EQUITABLE CARRYING CAPACITY REFERENCE
“Optimum Human Population Size” (Daily, A. Ehrlich, P. Ehrlich, 1993)
https://www.friendsofrpe.org/node/955
“To us it seems reasonable to assume that, until cultures and technologies change radically, the optimum size of the human population lies in the vicinity of 1.5 to 2 billion people.” Note this was written 30 years ago, however the authors point out that whatever the approximate human carrying capacity turns out to be, the principles of limits to growth and biocapacity/carrying capacity remain the same. (PH)
Comments including corrections are welcome. (Please cite references with links, if/as appropriate.) -)
Thanks for the additional thoughts. This post was getting quite long as it was. I was also hoping not to frighten off new readers too badly.
I think that humans (and pre-humans) moved outside the range of the sustainable when they started burning biomass, something like 1 million years ago. Even as hunter gatherers, pre-humans could burn down whole forests, to allow themselves to better capture animals for meat and to encourage the growth of a more open ecosystem, that would allow the growth of more edible plants. Because of the use of cooked food, the structure of human bodies could change, making smaller teeth, jaws and guts and a bigger brain. Thus, the path to overshoot and collapse has been very long in the making. See Against the Grain by James C. Scott and Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human
Humans, by their use of burned materials to supplement the food they eat, have gained an advantage over other species. There is really no level of sustainable population. Researchers 30 years ago hadn’t figured this out. The problem isn’t burning fossil fuels. It is burning plant material, or anything else.
Capturing the use of the energy of another species, such as training dogs to help with hunting, or training oxen to pull plows, may or may not have this same impact. There seem to be several insects that do something similar. “Eusocial” insects with this characteristic seem to have very high populations relative to other insects. In theory, this use of supplemental energy could also pull ecosystems out of balance. Some insects could become too dominant in the structure.
A finite earth operates in cycles. 99.999+% of all species that have ever lived are now extinct. This is simply the way the system operates. Trying to defeat it is an exercise in futility, I am afraid.
Hi Peter,
Based partly on what Catton wrote in 1980, my guess is about 1 billion people could live on the planet fairly sustainably, allowing for enough wild land to support healthy ecosystems and biodiversity, with 1/100 the fossil fuels used per person today. Depending on how fast the planet is cleaned up, and using basic, useful knowledge of agriculture, that number could be halved or doubled.
For everything that really matters, fewer two-leggeds, consuming less, is a step in the right direction.
Gail, my guess is forests and grasslands have been on fire since the first days of lightning & forests & grasslands.
It seems I’m missing something – humans directing the use of fire on a modest scale for a million years sounds fairly sustainable.
Humans living with nature works, over nature does not.
Thanks and good health, Weogo
the ‘reductionists’ omit one factor
1 billion people will have the production capacity of the 17th c–the period when the planet had 1 billion population. (check out that lifestyle)
unfortunately they will have the folk memory of a planetary production level of 8 billion.–and demand the same level of comfort.
but it can’t be done.—and no one will understand why.
It will take 000s of years before humankind accepts that the planet is not ours to do with as we please.
Lets hope we last that long
That’s why Weogo said, humans living with nature works.
Applying the hackneyed maximum power principle to the greater part of human nature is a logical fallacy Norm.
more ‘fallacy’ reante
don’t know what fantasy dreamworld you inhabit, but ‘humans living with nature’ is another way of saying we will follow the buffalo according to shifting season, and kill only what we need to eat and make our teepees with.
Or something akin to that.
If we dont do that, and herd animals (energy resources) then we set ourselves back on the road to getting to 8bn again.
If on the other hand (and this is where you might find it difficult to grasp) we do decide to ‘live with nature’, then there will have to be preventive measures to stop us ‘herding’.
ie–control. (we sure as hell wont do it of our own volition)
Control means ‘controllers’
and ‘controllers’, by their very nature are of unpleasant disposition.
So already we have a 2 tier system–the controllers and the controlled. (remember too that controllers would need support staff)
(feel free to butt in when i go wrong here)
The geography of the planet itself means separate areas of ‘living’—-now, tell me reante, just how long dyou think it would be before one ‘controller’ gets offended by another ‘controller’ and whips up his flock to go to war?
No Norm that’s just a deterministic dystopian Morton’s fork (false dilemma) you’ve invented. Controlling hierarchical control (keeping nascent surplus societies in check) can also be a distributed/decentralized phenomenon rather than only a hierarchical one.
When one bad apple society is intent in spoiling the whole damn bunch of societies, the whole damn bunch removes the bad apple. Just as with the conversation we’ve previously had about bandits during collapse taking a stronghold; all the other strongholds then take care of the bandits. Checks and balances under natural law.
We’ve seen distributed indigenous peoples come together on large scales under temporary leadership in order to take care of whole civilizations when necessary, only to disperse afterwards according to natural law instead of further leveraging that temporary fighting of fire with fire.
Countless examples of the same dynamic happening more recently in North America.
Like I’ve said before, you have a nihilistic cynicism WRT human nature.
humankind is no different any other living thing, in that we have the sole function which is to survive to the age of reproduction—after which, in natures terms, we are surplus to requirements.
i put myself in that category—I am well past my sellby date, though not, so far, my use by date.
No other creature outlives its usefulness, other than through some kind of artificial support. Which I am lucky enough to have.
We are therefore living on nature’s surplus, which, by definition, is finite.
We cannot exist in a ‘static’ context, because that existence can only sustain itself through forward growth.
As we exhaust our ‘means’ we will, as i see it, fall back to pre-civilisation existence.
Alternative ideas most welcome btw. As long as they have substance
Take into account that some have fossile fuels and some have not.
Remember the conquer of America? Some had fire weapons and some had not.
A society with scarce resources differs from a society that has enough – also on the international level.
If we look to India, people consume much less resources than in the US. The way of life is also a factor how populated Earth can be – a factor of probably a few hundred.
At the end this is a religious question. The West educated it’s citizens as consumers.
Warm climates don’t need many fossil fuels because a major use of fossil fuels is to keep buildings warm in winter. Also, if it is warm outside, year around, foot transportation works perfectly well. If it is terribly cold in winter, then some other means of transportation is needed.
Furthermore, if food can be grown year around, there is little need for food storage. Parts of the world with cold winters need to have a way to store food for use in winter and spring. They also need to produce disproportionately more during the summer, to save up for winter.
The primary use that warm climates need some sort of fuel for is to cook food. If they don’t try to make metals as well, they likely can get fuel for cooking from burning animal dung, and/or from burning fallen branches of trees. The need for fossil fuels came primarily when humans tried to move out of Africa, into colder areas, and population expanded. Having metal tools for agriculture became a priority. If Africa wants metal tools, it likely will have to import them, or use fossil fuels to make them.
Are you sure, Norman? Or is that Covid depression?
Suharit Bhakdi say, also in English, that a man can reach an age of 110 years and a woman even more, if living healthy.
I guess you are not there yet.
As a youngster I met a lady end of her 90s and she told me that by 85 she presred for death. The her son and daughter-in-law came and said they both to go working and she had to raise the kids.
She said she was like coming to life again. She said these were the best part of her live raising the grandkids, and she had the feeling she did it better than with her own kids, but damn so much work!
Species that evolve in a manner that allows them to harvest and consume energy to greater degree proliferate more than species who do not. It has nothing to do with expectations. If a bird species can consume a type of abundant energy in a food source they will proliferate to a greater degree than a species that doesn’t. If that food source depletes they may not be able to evolve fast enough to other food sources and those food sources may not be as abundant or as energy dense. The bird species that experienced a lower population and consumed lower energy dense and less abundant foods may well outlast the species that consumed the higher energy dense foods. Dense abundant finite energy sources always result in the rapid population decline of species that evolve to use them and experience population increases. Maximum power principle is not philosophy it is demonstrated in every species on the planet. It brings to mind a philosophical phrase however. “live by the sword die by the sword” The phrase is limited in regard to MPP as it commonly speaks to aggression but every species picks up the sword of maximum power principle and when the energy source they have evolved to consume depletes they fall on that sword to the degree that the energy source is abundant and dense.
banned
If maximum power principle is universal to all species under natural law then how do you explain the existence of approx 150M buffalo in north America 170 years ago. Was the Red Man just stone age dumb as a rock? And if the Red Man was dumb as a rock how do you explain the reality that there are pureblood Red Men and Women today with university degrees or whatever other metric of high IQ you want to use?
You are wrongly conflating the dysfunctional human cultural phenomenon of running rapacious structural surpluses with the universal biological phenomenon of competing in the ecology for an annual subsistence, and the competing of which, furthermore, has interspecies cooperation/symbiosis structurally built into it.
the buffalo was a large, dangerous animal
it took a lot of energy input on the part of a small group of individuals to kill one.
that killing brought a considerable return on energy investment, but not sufficient return to make it worthwhile to kill one just ‘for sport’–a concept which as far as i know, didn’t exist anyway.
so buffalo numbers were unaffected by the predations of man, and i don’t think there was another predator on the N American plains to make much difference to their numbers either. So there was nothing to check their numbers other than availability of food.
then the railways arrived, and men with repeating rifles.
the slaughter was immediate and wholesale, for the ultimate purpose of eliminating the food source of the native tribes.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/where-the-buffalo-no-longer-roamed-3067904/
This has nothing to do with the latent intelligence of native Americans.
Buffalo are easy animals to hunt. Much moreso than deer, but obviously the can handle a lot more trauma. Nevertheless one well-placed arrow behind the shoulder and through the heart could kill a buffalo. Obsidian is harder than steel and obsidian arrows could go all the way through a buffalo and out the other side just like with a modern compound bow and big game arrow. Atlatls got the job done too.
Let’s not forget about all the other abundant large mammals and fish and plant foods too. Let’s not forget about the preservation techniques they had at their disposal.
The maximum power principle would have all human socities producing structural food surpluses whenever absolutely possible. One adult buffalo alone could feed four people for maybe four months. That’s an EROEI of 100:1. At the cost of a few days work beyond daily food. They could exceed Dunbar’s Number and have permanent riverine settlements along buffalo migration routes and have a systematic buffalo harvesting operation where they crank out six buffalo a day for trading purposes, fish the shit out of the river, keep growing the population on highest quality animal foods, have standing armies, and start systematically enslaving people to systematically do what they were doing for them. One of the great buffalo megaherd’s migration dipped down into mexico. After a few hundred years a city state could be exporting preserved meat products down through central America to south America which was a continent with an extreme paucity of large mammals.
Grains and legumes could have been intensively domesticated.
The continental North American food ecology was the greatest of all time, and still is far superior to running structural food surpluses than Europe or the Middle East, yet you’re implying that continental civilization was impossible in NA even though it was possible in Europe and the ME. That’s an irrational position, Norm.
Two minute time lapse video of bringing down a young buffalo with an atlatl and taking the bark off and disappearing the whole thing with stone age tooling.
https://youtu.be/drufB3jHPks
thanks for that vid reference reante really interesting.
don’t think it alters my point though that they were not taken for sport
Your point was true but it was also a fallacy (non sequitur), with both being reasons for me not to alter your point.
Gail, this is the first time I do not understand what you are saying. I understand burning whole forests to drive out a herd of prey animals is unsustainable but a woodlot that is harvested over time and replanted seem to me to be sustainable? Not of course for eight billion humans but for two hundred million.
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200 m agreed
but those 200m would not be satisfied with an earth grubbing existence.
(circa 1000 BCE)
I meant that hunter gatherers burned down whole forests (with a single forest fire), so that the space would be more open for plants of the kinds they wanted to grow in an open area. Harvesting woodlots over a period of time, before human population grew and humans started heating their homes and smelting metals, probably was not a huge problem.
I believe the dynamic was more like hunter-gatherers started brush fires, which didn’t hurt mature trees, so that reforestation didn’t take place in savanna ecosystems where wild ruminants couldn’t keep up with vegetative growth. Indigenous peoples always maintained savanna’s because they are the most productive land-based human ecologies. Silvopasture is the farming equivalent.
Thanks! That sounds right.
Would you consider writing a “pull no punches” post that would be shared on request?
I am not sure that I can really write a “pull no punches” article. There is always a range of possible outcomes, and I am not certain what the outcome will be. The outcomes will certainly vary by part of the world.
I don’t want to deflate the hopes of everyone, even though that is what the indications seem to say. I would rather people be left with the idea that doing something is still worthwhile, even if it is not sustainable for very long.
Also, people who read the comments get closer to a “pull not punches” point of view, if not from me, from everyone else.
Fast Eddy can pull no punches.
We all die. Just a question of whether the Gates of Hell open and we rip each others faces off…
Or we get the Bossche Mutation … total lockdown … those that don’t die from the severe respiratory mutated FrankenDisease — starve — or swallow the Super Fent.
For those who say no way I say – they are murdering babies… they are… murdering … babies… they are not f789ing around here
I still think Norman and Fast Eddy are the same person.
you discovered our secret!!!
dont spread it around
You could always forget about human civilizational energetics and tell the stunned audience about the steadily increasing seismic activity worldwide ( that’s earthquakes right?), the rapid and unstoppable weakening of the earths magnetic fields, the increasing (though grudgingly) mainstream scientific evidence of extraordinary and cyclical solar eruptions……
You could even mention that all these things are directly related to impacting galactic current sheet with our solar system?
Up to you of course, but it might help to tell them it is unstoppable, cataclysmic and will remove almost all trace of industrial civilization within next 5-20 years.
It will make peak oil seem sorta ok in comparison.
You probably should not tell them it’s probably being managed by a great demon posing as a god,…..
That might be pushing it a bit? Just an idea from Paleolithic perspective.
A wise approach, Gail.
Similarly, when enlightening people about vaxx harms I water things down a bit, as there is only so much they can be expected to take and remain sane.
And I do not raise Collapse with them, ever.
There was a time when Earth suddenly cooled down and the Ice Age came over half Europe and most people died.
Hey, we all here are proof that our ancestors have managed!
Have you doomers all degenerated? What your ancestors can do, you can do!
The first point is to see reality, not be afraid, the second is to do what must be done.
Survival does not mean individual or lineage survival but survival as species.
Some week ago, remember in the European Alps is winter and we are having snow – we met a guy about 75 naked at the lake, swimming his rounds like in summer. We ask him how he manages and he said he goes swimming until 3 °C water temperature.
Then he pointed on me saying, you should start it, too. You will feel wonderful!
I haven’t yet.
will have covered this point before Jan
but the ice age did not ‘suddenly’ overtake the world.
Species had 000s of years to adjust to all kinds of different situations–freezing drying, wetting in vastly different areas.
Species ‘moved’ accordingly, in tiny increments.
the Americas were populated by people taking advantage of a Bering bridge created by the last ice age.
Movements through Asia to get to that bridge would have been infinitesmally slow
literally none of them would have had any awareness of the concept of an ice age or otherwise.
The difference between then and now was that there would have been only a few hundred thousand of us, and the residual energy of the earth was untouched.
Now we are 8bn, and even reduced to a few million–the earths resources are no longer available
Did they have spent fuel ponds and soil destroyed by chems?
Thank you!
In short, having plentiful cheap energy allows access to raw materials and production of finished goods and services, but once materials have been consumed, the problem of waste/pollution emerges on the other side. Plastics, solar panels, chemicals, depleted uranium, etc.
(Israel National News)
‘Former Senior Researcher Professor Shmuel Shapira, who headed the Israel Institute for Biological Research from 2013 to 2021, and led Israel’s domestic coronavirus vaccine development program, has castigated the Health Ministry both over its push to impose lockdowns in 2020 and 2021, as well its support for the mass-vaccination campaign beginning in December 2020.
‘It was a mistake to take the COVID vaccine’
‘Pfizer vaccine is neither SAFE nor effective.’
The vaccine “harms young people, and can cause serious neurological diseases. And, apparently – I want to be very cautious here because this is only starting to come to light – it can increase the risk of certain kinds of cancer.”
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/364671
“Professor Angus Dalgleish MD FRACP FRCP FRCPath FMedSci, is Professor of Oncology at St George’s University of London – and a conscientious man. Last week, he wrote to Dr Kamran Abbasi, Editor-in-Chief of the BMJ, expressing his grave concerns regarding Covid vaccine harms and calling for an end to the vaccine programme. ”
https://drtesslawrie.substack.com/p/no-more-boosters-says-top-cancer
Thanks so much, Student, an excellent link to show people.
We can add this to the consultants everywhere who are coming out in the open confirming widespread heart, vascular, neurological and cancer harms.
There is nothing better than a reversal in opinion by multiple-jabbed medics: they can’t be dismissed as anti-vaxers, although I see he is being dismissed as a case of ‘sour grapes’ over his own failed vaccine project.
Governments will look increasingly foolish parroting ‘Safe and effective’ and ‘miracle vaxx’ as their only response.
You are welcome Xabier. I find it very powerful me too.
If something can change in the western world on this subject can be only from Israel or US.
Europe cannot do it, China could be interested to use the same narrative in the future and Latin America, Middle East or Russia are not interested in getting messed up with this subject.
Maybe more Israel than US, but who knows.
I think that Israeli people are maybe also not happy about the subject of fertility, which is another critical aspect of mRNA.
Let’s hope for a change on this terrible subject…
The good thing is … there’s no cure for the damage that the rat juice does!!!
hahaha… for some it’s a rapid descent … for the rest … it’s a slow Bataan Death March
We don’t even have to repeat I told you so …. as they sicken and die… they will know who was right.
Let’s hope it’s just a Big Cull and not total extermination … hope is important
One of my Great Uncles died from “dehydration” at Cabanatuan Prison Camp and another died at the Battle of Volturno, Italy.
Does this stop norm from desiring another booster? nope.
Anyhow – hopefully one is enough …we are close to the 6B Cull number — and with China leading the way again with more Fear — we should exceed the target
30 more years! 30 more years! 30 more years!
So, when will Israel ban “vaccination” for Covid? I am afraid never.
So let’s hope for some truth from US …
Killing G-ds chosen, the people of Israel, with bad vaxx could turn into a religious issue leading to enough anger to throw out the current government and stop the killing.
Interesting point! I am not sure how religious most of Jews really are. But they could still use it as an excuse to throw out the current government and stop the killing.
The foundation myth of Israel is that it is their refuge from murder and experimentation by non-Jews.
To discover that their government has been doing just that would shock everyone deeply, religious or not.
I’ll be going to dinner with my (non-religious) Israeli neighbour this Xmas it will be interesting to hear his view.
Reading Israeli newspapers I think that could be a very strange scenario, not much probable.
Because actually also some of the Doctors or the Politicians who promoted the mRNA injections also declare themselves as religious people.
Just to make an example, one of them was recently offended by a French journalist who asked him why he was wearing a Kippah while he was talking in a tv show (which is actually a very stupid question).
So I don’t think that there can be a sort of ‘them against us’.
Probably Israeli people are involved on different levels about the vaccines and maybe they made actions in a certain way just because they thought it was good to do it.
Then at a certain point they were probably trapped in political and legal decisions and they didn’t know how to get out of that mess.
And also probably trapped by the fact that vaccinated people was weak against the virus so needed other doses.
So I think it is a complicated situation, but not probable that kind of division.
But for sure I think that it could help all of us if they would like to open a critical discussion on this terrible period.
In addition, I think it could help also Israel itself in order to have a better consideration from the other western Countries which could appreciate its critical opening up of the issue.
( see in case reference for the episode above: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rjyheb1oi )
At a party last night I got acquainted with someone who is not vaxxed like me. We talked about the usual stuff (treatments, sudden death…). A genuine Democrat with a doctorate living in Hyde Park, Chicago joined us. Her head almost exploded. We pointed out to her that the serious problem here is that the government is trying to stop all of us from talking with one another. She found the point upsetting, but acknowledged it. People are starting to think about things, and be willing to listen more than a year ago.
Watch what happens when the PR Team guns the throttle with covid deaths — as is happening now in China … when fear kicks back in … nobody will want to discuss anything …
It will be Booster Time…. fear trumps everything.
So China Open ups and COVID spreads and people voluntarily locked in (??)
https://twitter.com/chris__pc/status/1604767631957192704
People start believing the narrative that is passed around, even if it makes no sense. They stay home voluntarily, even when the requirement is removed.
The problem I see is that US is diving in the new Chinese narrative, because it finds it helpful for its general problems too.
As you can see in this article.
So on that front, China and US are allies.
‘China: Rows of coffins in crematoriums. US: In this (terrible) situation the virus can mutate!’
https://www.corriere.it/esteri/22_dicembre_20/cina-onda-covid-file-bare-virus-c3d695fe-807a-11ed-8d72-69c6a5e86cfe.shtml
Well, yes, clearly the US govt, the WHO, and the vaxx-manufacturing crooks will just love this development in China, which seemingly validates the Terrible Terrible Covid meme when the disease seems to have petered out in the West.
Even better, the Chinese didn’t use the ‘miracle’ Pfizer, Moderna and AZ vaxxes.
In the Age of the Virus such errors and negligence incur instant punishment.
A Multi-Vaxxed CovIDIOT when I suggest a month back that surely what’s going on in China has nothing to do with the lethality of Covid — because we can see places without restrictions are surviving just fine ….. in a whispered tone … maybe the Chinese know something about this virus and they are extremely fearful — and those removing restrictions are asking for trouble…
Home page bloomberg:
China Confirms Change to Covid Death Definition as Doubts on Data Grow
China’s Covid Death Reports Spread as Doubts Grow About Official Virus Data
China’s Budget Deficit Hits Record $1.1 Trillion on Covid Zero Slump
Demand for Lemons Surges as Chinese Seek Immunity Against Covid
Very easy to re-frighten…
The world is becoming so utterly disgusting in the Age of Vaxx that frankly mere death no longer frightens me – it would be a kind release! – only torture, mental or physical.
I must admit to feeling a bit of cafarde these days … might have something to do with the fact that it’s nearly January and the weather remains quite chilly – with lead grey skies most days.
And then there’s this non-stop Convid stuff — and trannie freaks flashing their balls to children (while the parents dance and clap along as if this is all normal).
Then my p.mmp business is very slow — seems I can’t give away tricks involving SSS… there are no takers… once in awhile a blind drunk hobo stumbles into her lair out back the dumpster and throws a handful of coins on the ground and the earth moves for a moment… barely enough to buy a coffee though.
It feels all a bit rudderless.
The only pleasure is reading Mark C Miller’s regular vax injuries and deaths report….
Like this https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/60528
Everything we tried to help this country avoid…
is now happening.
This is gonna get WILD.
“A morning show guest has suffered a medical episode while on air, prompting hosts to quickly intervene and express their concern for his wellbeing.
Defence and international relations expert Malcolm Davis was on Nine’s Today show on Tuesday morning to discuss Foreign Minister Penny Wong’s visit to China when he began to feel unwell, apologising to the co-hosts after he struggled to answer a question.
“Oh … I think I’m going to pass out … sorry,” he said.
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/morning-shows/i-think-im-going-to-pass-out-today-show-interview-abruptly-ends/news-story/f3bc09fed026621fbc4f59cd9986d5e2
It is a crazy world.
At the moment China has started to play again the Covid game, US hopes to jump in again soon, while, instead, for Africa, Middle East, Turkey, Latin America and others…Covid has become a minor argument of discussion or even an absent argument.
In Israel they promote slowly and listlessly new doses while there seem to compare some critics who try to open a rift in the system.
(Australia-New Zealand-Europe’s caravan just goes in tow of others)
And people of the world accept all this mess.
it seems this famous race 🙂
Muttly was under appreciated.
Apparantly there are recipes out there how to brew hydroxyclorquinine in a coffee maker from citrus fruit.
China accused of ‘cheating the public’ as grim Covid pictures emerge
https://au.news.yahoo.com/china-accused-of-cheating-the-public-as-grim-covid-pictures-emerge-215510825.html
Take your pick – fake pictures created by government or news feed from The Matrix.
A chess game within a chess game within a chess game within a chess game…
You are right FE
What is happening in China in my view is the following:
China has been obliged to open up by the protests whose echos have unfortunately reached the west.
They didn’t want to open for energy and financial problems, but they had to do.
And so?
– So, did you want to open up?
Well, ok, very good, we will open up, but I will scare you like death with tv reports.
I will say that medicines will not be available (and they will really do), I will say that funeral companies have no time to follow all the deaths, so people will stay at home by themselves.
A fantastic self-feeding- negative cycle will open up by itself and at the end everybody will say, ‘but at the end China’s government was not bad, they were right, everybody is sick or is dying.
After a while they will open up slowly and they will reassure people and people in charge could say: did you see? We also wanted to open up, but when you asked so, it was not the right timing.
😀 😀 😀
Interesting theory!
Friend of mine with interest in Chinese medicine. In 2020, I sent him info on herbal treatment regime that showed success in China. Man is an Activist, agitator, liberal who owned a successful company. He was infected with the virus last winter with worsening pneumonia and stayed home for fear of dying in the hospital on the ventilator. His wife finally convinced him to see a good Doctor (naturopathic $$), he was prescribed antibiotics for pneumonia and quickly recovered.
We had two older people die on the ventilator. They were both stubborn and stayed home alone according to doctor’s orders and then the hospital protocols took them to utopia. Early treatment option of azithromycin would have been great. I’m currently working with a friend of one of the deceased. He blames politics and gets angry when I mention early treatment.
Knee jerk reaction to novel pathogen? Too much confusion in the chain of command to fund and staff a team to explore best practices in early treatment and provide user-friendly portal for first responders? Don’t think for yourself, trust the experts who change their story, lie and then brag about lying for the sake of public health?
Read “Howl” by Ginsberg but substitute MAGA for Moloch.
If people really are dying from covid I don’t care. They are too weak and sickly to survive then let them perish. The world can be a harsh place and that’s reality but it frees up resources for the young and healthy. Did something change in recent history where no death or dying it allowed? Am I monster? I have no idea how these people are going to handle the end of cheap abundant oil if they can’t even handle C19. What happened to Keep Calm and carry on?
Exactly my thoughts!
@Monster: Freedom also means the freedom to believe the false people and eventually pay a price! I pity everyone with severe problem what ever the cause – but it is not my fault.
I tried to convince some family to wait until the new technology has proven its benefits. They vehemently rejected the idea, referring to solidarity and the idea if you cannot trust the CDC you cannot trust anyone. I see a similarity to the peak oil discussion. Gael wrote these thoughts are so fearloaden that people have to reject the thought. Perhaps. Among family and friends I have some very strong and educated people that usually are able to deal with threatening situations and ideas. I wonder how this get’s together. There is the idea of mass manipulation and a mass psychosis. Okay. But at some educational level one shouldn’t be so easily manipulated. I can understand any concise risk evaluation that comes into place at a higher age, like over 70 years. But I am talking about people in their 30s to 50s.
What I feel really bad about, is, that I cannot stop the vaccination of children.
The children is sickening, I agree (who would not, except Norman?)
One can only attempt to inform the parents, as I have done, and then just hope…….
i think you would agree Xabier—that infanticide isn’t a casual gift—you have to work at it
The very educated seem to be near the worst for not recognizing what is happening. They seem to have great belief that the educational system can help all people, and that the government will only make pronouncements that are for the best for all citizens. They are overwhelmingly Democrats in the US.
If you define “best” as long life for existing citizens, and ability to have as many children as desired, this isn’t happening. Of course, if you define “best” as eliminating some citizens who are old and/or sickly and helping reduce fertility, them perhaps using the “vaccine” is beneficial for society. A self-organizing system works strangely.
D. Stevens, yes in the past 50 years ago we accepted that diseases happen and people die. Now with big money thrown into propaganda we are told no one must die and any cost is reasonable. It is part of the manufactured insanity that is designed to destroy western civilization.
I agree, Ed
Before I got involved with blogging, I was involved with malpractice insurance. The number of malpractice suits skyrocketed when people started paying “big bucks” for medical care, and people began expecting better outcomes than in the past. Also, there really are a lot of very bad outcomes, many of them caused by negligence.
With the high medical costs, it became much harder to pay the high costs involved if additional treatment was required. Not everyone had health insurance, and virtually no one had disability insurance, providing coverage for lost wages when a person was out of work. Attorneys could make a lot of money (often 1/3 of settlements; half of awards), so they were drawn to the field.
The system wouldn’t work without a pot of money to aim for in law suits. Malpractice policies, written for high limits, could provide such a pot of funds. Furthermore, if a hospital was involved (or employed the physicians), then the hospital had lots of assets in terms of bricks and mortar. If a suit was filed, it was at least some of the time possible to get back money to pay for all of the related costs.
You will notice how the weak and diseased are the biggest buyers of the Covid BS.
A very good friend – now former – was rather upset when I suggested in April of 2020 that lockdowns were madness and that we need to adopt the Great Barrington Declaration recommendations.
As I put it lockdowns will destroy the economy (at the time I already suspected this was an planned extinction event but I could not suggest that so I reverted to using logic to discuss something that really did not matter one way or the other — I’m like that — I can’t stand an anti-logic vacuum and must fill it regardless of the consequences).
I was accused of caring more about my business than peoples’ lives…
This was coming from someone who is incredibly unhealthy – whose primary dietary staple consists of assorted meat pies (a freezer full of them) … who drinks minimum a full bottle of wine per night — who the last time I caught up with him and his wife — they were on holiday and were knocking back 2 bottles EACH most nights — who has one of those boozer bellies — you know where they look normal except for the protrusion — I assume that massive liver bloat — and who had prostrate cancer surgery some years back… who does zero exercise…
So we should lockdown cuz??? oh right to keep people like this safe…
That contact was terminated mid 2020 and has not resumed… which is fine by mine given during those two bottles each night I had to listen to diatribes about Trump and endless catch phrases from CNN… how Hillary was wonderful … and on and on and on…
In this respect Convid has been a good thing… it allows one to cut ties with MORE-ONS.
Who knows?
It’s a fool’s game even trying to guess, to attempt to sift reality from the propaganda and efforts at mind control, it simply saps one’s mental energy (as perhaps it is intended to do?)
Energy better spent finding good cheering stories about vaxx-pushers who ended up in the grave!
Xabier, it is intended to sap peoples mental energy. It is part of the war of good versus evil.
Were the deaths from inadequate food/health care? Or from depression? Or from other things, including Covid? We will never know. Or perhaps the story is fake.
Those photos and the way that article is written has the stench of fakery about it…
A line of hearses – come the f789 on.
One can imagine the impact this will have on the MOREONS who are looking at this — the same impact as the fake images and bs that came out of china in early 2020…
Fear.
And all the coffins stacked up in Bergamo, the crying Italian medics…..
“And all the coffins stacked up in Bergamo”
Which the media went hysterical about, all to manufacture fear. None of course reported that the government stopped funeral directors collecting themselves, so they asked for delivery and the government used the army if I remember correctly. Makes for a great picture if you want to make a mountain out of a molehill.
BoJ Sparks Market Chaos With Huge ‘Yield Curve Control’ Adjustment
Hurrah… no more 0% interest… We are all saved…
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/boj-sparks-market-chaos-huge-yield-curve-control-adjustment
The WSJ has a “Heard on the Street Article” with the name,
The Bank of Japan Steals Christmas
Central bank’s decision to raise effective cap on 10-year government-bond yields adds extra dollop of uncertainty to global markets
The article ends,
Japan, with its huge amount of governmental debt, has been the last major holdout on raising interest rates. It didn’t raise the rates by much. In theory, raising interest rates will help keep the Yen from falling too far below the dollar. But, at the same time, paying interest on Japan’s governmental debt becomes a big outgo item.
During our week off I asked the substack author that FE posts, A Midwestern Doctor, if he knew of any chemical analyses of the vaxx blood tumors and he said that no commercial labs wanted to touch the issue and that Mike Adams Health Ranger was the only analysis he knew of. I looked up Mike’s article and his was an elemental analysis which isn’t really helpful. Some toxic metals were somewhat elevated compared to normal blood levels.
I did just a little bit of nosing around, on google, and as far as I could tell there doesn’t seem to be much information or literature out there at all on chemical analyses of tumors. There was one study which administered benzene and another nasty chemical to rats (both chosen because they are common trace chemicals in industrial foods) and after 60days they killed the rats and surgically removed the tumors that had grown on their colons and analysed them for the metabolites (breakdown compounds) of the two chemicals and found them to be much higher than in the surrounding tissues, which in my eyes lends support to my theory that the blood tumors are being grown as emergency storage sites for toxic carcinogens that aren’t getting processed because of signaling and transport (antibody) dysregulation/suppression.
Pretty crazy though that there appears to be no public chemical toxicology analyses on these things. It’s like East Germany-level repression, but I guess we kinda know that already.
Yes, this makes sense as a hypothesis, even if it we have little chance of proving it without the help a major testing facilities that are beyond the dreams of even Mike Adams.
Physiologically, animals are amazing systems for taking in stuff from the outside, sorting, processing, and synthesizing essential materials for building, maintaining and repairing the body, and excreting poisons, wastes, byproducts and leftovers.
But what happens when toxins build up in the body that can’t be excreted? Is there are mechanism for keeping them out of harm’s way? This reminds me of the idea that retinol (Vitamin A) and even more so retinolic acid are toxins that the body cannot rid itself of, and so it surrounds them with lipids and “buries” them in the liver or as deposits in the body fat.
Grant Genereux is the most well-known proponent of that one.
https://ggenereux.blog
Thanks Tim. I really appreciate that blog post given that I’ve mentioned I’m (supposed to be) working on improving my 20/40 eyesight. I’ll look more at his blog. I live firsthand accounts like that. That guy sounds like he’s doing great.
I don’t subscribe to the idea that retinols are toxic unless one’s terrain is otherwise messed up, in which case it may be true. In holistic health, retinols are super foods, and retinol deficiencies are directly linked to the pox diseases including shingles.
Here an article from the traditional foods camp if you’re interested:
“The statement that preformed vitamin A is unnatural is ludicrous in the light of what we know about traditional diets. The chief source of calories in the traditional Inuit diet, for example, is seal oil, which Weston Price found to be higher in vitamin A than cod liver oil. Fish heads, extremely rich in vitamin A, are a staple in the Japanese diet. Many cultures consume liver, often in high amounts-yet the authors of the review paper imply that liver is toxic. Tell that to the Frenchman enjoying his foie gras, the Englishman consuming liver and onions, or the South Sea Islander who submits to great danger to obtain shark liver for men and women, in order to ensure healthy children. The truth is that pre-formed vitamin A is more plentiful in traditional foods than vitamin D, yet politically correct nutrition insists that we must obtain vitamin A through the laborious process of converting carotenes.”
Without knowing much about the chemistry, and relying on an imperfect memory, I suspect you are correct about retinol not being particularly toxic since we all eat a great deal of it one way or another and most of us seem to do fine on it. Grant’s hypothesis is that it is toxic and needs to be “removed from circulation” to prevent harm, and the liver is designed to do that by ferreting it away because we didn’t invent an effective way of breaking it down. Most people manage to do this over a lifetime, but some people become saturated, and that’s when the symptoms of toxicity begin. And the retinol form is ten times as toxic, according to Grant.
He also said that Atlantic fish such as cod and salmon have 10 times as much vitamin A in their bodies (mainly the liver) than Pacific fish of similar species. And that people who live along the Atlantic coast of Canada have a lot more dermatitis and other autoimmune diseases than those who live along the Pacific coast for this reason. Intriguing if true, I’m sure you’ll agree.
Anyway, whether he’s right or wrong and whether we agree with him or not, I am sure you’ll find some of his blog posts to be a good read.
Why do fish build up so much of this stuff in their livers and fat tissues? And why do plankton and other plants synthesize so much of this stuff called retinol? It doesn’t seem to work as a protection against being eaten by animals, but perhaps it is effective in protecting them from high levels of sunlight.
I the latter is true, perhaps vitamin A should be good for protecting us from sunlight too. But perhaps, also, you can have too much of a good thing. Grant, however, goes further, and seems to be existing healthily on a Vitamin A Zero diet consisting mostly of lean beaf or bison on white rice with some onion for added seasoning. If he is honestly doing that—and we only have his word for it—then perhaps Vitamin A (retinol) is not a vitamin after all?
I haven’t looked at his retinol stuff but I read what he said about viruses. As I’m sure you noticed he’s saying a lot of the same things I’ve been saying. Almost eerily so. Though the idea about defective proteins (mRNA), and those proteins contaminating others is new to me and I’m highly sceptical of it from a biological standpoint, and certainly on a level as consequential as he suggests. I’m wondering where he got that information from or how he came to that conclusion if it is his own.
https://chriskresser.com/weston-a-price-foundation-clarifies-claims-against-cod-liver-oil/
Some modern cod liver oil has almost all of the vitamin D removed, and more vitamin A added. This is not an improvement. A person wants the old fashioned product.
The vaxx shuts down the dendritic cells. This is done on purpose to prolong the life of the hardened mRNA. This is published as being the idea of Katalin Karikó. What is more we have to assume that the mRNA also abuses lymphatic cells as spike protein factories, which leads into their death. The shutdown of parts of the immune system, that usually supresses the development pf cancer, might give cancerogenic processes an advantage.
Ok, but the question is HOW does the vaxxx shut down DCs? My expectation is that it’s doing so by synthetic exosomal (mRNA) signaling pathways.
You seem to be suggesting that something other than the ‘spike proteins’ are facilitating DC suppression on behalf of the ‘spike.’ And I don’t know what you mean by hardened.
This paper is a look at the genetic engineering realm in which I believe they are operating. The ‘spike protein’ narrative is completely unsubstantiated because they defined the ‘spike’ by simply calling their synthetic mRNA the spike, in reference to a ‘computer, please fill in the blanks’ in silico ‘sarscov2 genome’.
It may be that the vaxxx exosome bomb is based on tumor exosomes or it may be based other classes of exosomes that would subvert fundamental detoxification signalings.
Signals intelligence is the basis of all intelligent warfare.
https://molecular-cancer.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12943-021-01376-w
On December 14, 2022, Dr. Mercola had a post up whose blurb said:
I looked at the post, back when it came out. It said the forgotten toxin was lead. Now the article won’t pull up. I believe it is behind a pay wall.
If lead really is instrumental in deaths, this would seem to fit in with what you are saying.
Thanks Gail. Yeah toxic heavy metals like lead would be part of the picture for sure. Strangely, lead was not listed in the elemental analysis. Another heavy metal, tin, however, was at 6X concentrations in the tumors.
Mike kinda goes off the deep end into bizarro world IMO in concluding that the tumors are, to paraphrase, ‘nonbiological self-assembling structures.’ Here’s the article fwiw:
https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-08-17-elemental-analysis-results-released-vaccine-clot-composition-not-blood-clots.html
hahahahaah
FORMER AUSTRALIAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT REVEALS SHE AND HER WIFE EXPERIENCED SERIOUS COVID INJECTION ADVERSE EVENTS…
Former federal MP Dr Kerryn Phelps has revealed she and her wife both suffered serious and ongoing injures from Covid vaccines, while suggesting the true rate of adverse events is far higher than acknowledged due to underreporting and “threats” from medical regulators.
In an explosive submission to Parliament’s Long Covid inquiry, the former Australian Medical Association (AMA) president has broken her silence about the “devastating” experience — emerging as the most prominent public health figure in the country to speak up about the taboo subject.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/dr-kerryn-phelps-reveals-devastating-covid-vaccine-injury-says-doctors-have-been-censored/news-story/0c1fa02818c99a5ff65f5bf852a382cf
There is no conspiracy of silence, not at all.
The head of Toyota recently talked about the “silent majority” of those in the auto industry who don’t think that heading toward all EV cars is the way to go. Years ago, I heard a Toyota representative who talked about the huge amount of scarce resources required by EVs, compared to hybrids like the Prius. If there are not enough battery materials, and if it is very difficult and expensive to create and operate charging stations, hybrids make a whole lot more sense.
the bottom line is: that we all remain convinced that we have some kind of god-given entitlement to universal wheels, irrespective of the actual motive power involved. (I’m as guilty as anyone else in that).
But not enough free (available) energy exists to make that possible.
The “silent majority” didn’t get the memo that Morlocks are stashing battery-assemblies in various underground facilities like there’s no tomorrow; likely skimming those factory “failures” (reported as strangely high). They’re walking a tight-rope but plenty of Eloi have fallen for the EV-narrative which drives all the mined-inputs and the expensive manufacturing. The working-class will be cranking-out batteries right up until Ben Davidson’s Galactic Current Sheet overwhelms the Sun, causing an Earth-shattering Micronova. Is Stan Lee still around? Time to pitch a new Marvel Comics series?
Rising flu cases pile pressure on Hong Kong emergency wards already flooded with Covid patients
Emergency wards in Hong Kong public hospitals have been swamped with patients in the wake of a jump in Covid-19 infections, and some doctors are warning that the pressure on the healthcare system will increase with a seasonal flu surge while more medical personnel go on a holiday break.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3203906/hong-kong-emergency-wards-flooded-patients-after-increased-covid-19-infections-and-numbers-could
How odd… given HK is on the 5th shot of rat juice
I guess they can fall back on – ya it doesnt stop infection or hospitalization – but you won’t die.
right norm?
Hey norm – evidence of a Conspiracy:
CDC: how could the CDC remove such major mechanics and safety claims about the COVID mRNA gene injections and do it so quietly? Did you notice the ‘before’ and ‘after’? Do you see what is now GONE?
Remember, the CDC and NIH and FDA and Pfizer etc. told us that the vaccine and contents stays in the injection site (arm) and was quickly cleared by the body with no residual effects; they ALL lied!
https://palexander.substack.com/p/cdc-how-could-the-cdc-remove-such
CDC ‘after’ statements were removed:
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F094e7066-143a-44db-a447-0afbc36b15a7_1749x724.jpeg
CDC ‘before’ the statements were removed:
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faffbde3c-9b01-4249-ba24-1b76f24ee7d8_1886x907.png
Well, at least at some point the CDC does sort of correct mis-statements, even though they don’t point out the change.
first off eddy—i now never open eddylinks as a matter of course.
2nd—your documented and archived history of lying to get attention forces me to discount any comment you make.
https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/60500
https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/60501
https://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/10/instamacron.png
https://twitter.com/i/status/1563094350732853248
This is staged; so many police there, the camera person completely left alone, the pump already out of order.
I’ve seen similar clips on our local news, too much production value.
Definitely staged.
George D. O’Neill calls out the ridiculous lies of Western states and media that UKR is ‘winning’ the war against Russia.
It is 100% certain that Russia will win, and that NATO will suffer yet another debacle, this time in the middle of Europe. The balance of power is rapidly shifting away from the West with these increasingly bizarre fiascos.
O’Neill is a member of the board of directors of the American Ideas Institute, which publishes The American Conservative.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/is-this-winning/
> Is This Winning?
Western leaders can no longer hide the truth about Ukraine
Recently, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen carelessly revealed the devastating cost of the Ukraine war.
“It is estimated that more than 20,000 civilians and 100,000 Ukrainian military personnel have died to date,” she said. The comment drew sharp backlash and the E.C. later deleted the comments from video recordings of the address. The censorship was left unexplained and demonstrated the confusion of the purveyors of the approved narrative.
If Von der Leyen’s estimate is true, that is nearly ten times the number of dead Ukrainian soldiers reported by the Ukrainian government. The E.C. president’s remark shows that even the strongest backers of this bloody and unnecessary war can no longer hide the truth: Ukraine is at risk of losing.
The mainstream media and the Biden administration insist ad nauseam that Ukraine is winning against Russia. But the facts on the ground do not fit the narrative and the administration and media know it. The war hawks know their cynical Ukraine policy has not succeeded in driving Russia out of Ukraine. Tragically, the Ukrainians are the ones who suffer the immense cost of this foreign policy failure. Their nation is ruined for the sake and at the instigation of the globalist American empire.
As Ukraine loses its grip on heavily defended and important crossroads around the city of Bakhmut, the Western press has commenced a campaign to downplay the importance of the loss. Defense Express reports: “UK Defense Intelligence States [t]hat Bakhmut’s capture becomes primarily a symbolic, political objective for Russia.” Last week, the Financial Times published an article entitled: “Hell Just Hell: Ukraine and Russia’s war of attrition over Bakhmut.” As the subtitle of the piece reads, “Soldiers say fighting in and around eastern Donetsk city is reminiscent of first world war-style trench conflict.”
The following information is an indication of the nature of the Ukrainian “victory” over the previous six months.
Ukraine has lost an estimated 20 percent of its territory. At least 22 percent of Ukrainian farmland is under Russian control. These areas are a large part of the territory identified in the Minsk II agreement that were to be governed as autonomous districts. Due to the failure of the Minsk II agreement, Russia declared its Special Military Operations to free these areas from the grip of the Ukrainian government. As of today, it appears Russia has come close to achieving some of its initial goals.
In May 2022, the United Nations Refugee Agency reported that nearly eight million Ukrainians have been internally displaced, with another six million registered as refugees. That number is likely to rise even higher this winter. As a result of the recent Russian missile attacks on the Ukrainian power grid, even more people are fleeing Ukraine. Europe expects hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees this winter due to the nation’s ruined cities. Kiev Mayor Vitali Klitschko may urge an evacuation of his city due to its failures to provide basic services to its population.
CNN reported a month ago that at least 30 percent of Ukrainian power stations are destroyed. BBC reports that six million Ukrainians are without power. EuroNews recently reported that two-thirds of Kiev is without power. An estimated 80 percent of Kiev is without water. News reports declare that Kiev is getting ready to survive without power, water and heating. Ukraine has evacuated cities that have become uninhabitable without heating or power. The World Health Organization warns millions of lives are “under threat” this winter.
Forbes Magazine reports that nearly half of Ukraine is without power. Newsweek reports that Ukraine’s energy giant is running out of equipment to fix power outages. How long is the Ukrainian capital going to function without power?
The Ukrainian Central Bank estimates the nation’s 2022 GDP will decline by 32 percent, inflation will hit 30 percent, and unemployment will reach 30 percent. The New York Times reported Ukraine’s agriculture industry has lost an estimated $23 billion from the war. The International Monetary Fund reports the Ukraine war has led to the worst food shortage since 2008. CNN reports that Ukraine’s communications are entirely dependent on Elon Musk’s Starlink system. If there are troubles with the system, the country goes dark.
Brookings reports: “The war has destroyed at least $127 billion of the nation’s buildings and other infrastructure, according to the Kyiv School of Economics.” The Washington Post reports the Ukrainians are asking for $700 billion in addition to the over $100 billion we have sent.
On the ground, Ukraine has had difficulty taking any territory actively defended by Russia. The recent “victory” of Ukraine capturing Kherson has evaporated. Ukraine is evacuating Kherson due to Russian shelling. The Ukrainian military machine is unable to maintain control of a city their opponent had evacuated. All the September and October Ukrainian offensives have stalled, and the Russians appear to be solidifying their lines of defense and dramatically increasing their forces in the field while Ukraine is drafting sixty-year-old men.
Ukraine is also losing its access to the resources it needs to continue the war. The U.S. and Europe are running out of weapons to send Ukraine. In addition, CNN reports weapons supplies for Ukraine are running low. Ukraine’s military equipment, especially its artillery, is crumbling and the West can’t replace much of what is breaking down.
Foreign Policy reports that NATO officials are very worried by the shortages. Even neocon Frederick Kagan admits NATO isn’t prepared for a conflict like Ukraine. “NATO doesn’t really plan to fight wars like this, and by that I mean wars with a super intensive use of artillery systems and lots of tank and gun rounds,” Kagan told Foreign Policy. “We were never stocked for this kind of war to begin with.” According to the CEO of Raytheon, Ukraine has used thirteen years of Javelin production in ten months.
It didn’t have to be this way. Ukraine and Russia could have made a lasting peace deal if it weren’t for the meddling of the Globalist American Empire. In March of 2022, the two sides appeared to be close to agreeing on terms to settle the conflict. It appeared that the agreement would assure Ukraine would never join NATO. The NATO issue is the biggest in this whole affair. The United States and United Kingdom thwarted this deal and the war has continued since, killing tens of thousands of Ukrainians, Russians, and others. Their blood is on the hands of U.S. and U.K. leaders.
U.S. defense contractors, politicians, and think tanks are profiting at the expense of Ukraine and its unfortunate citizens. The rest of Europe is suffering from the “maximum sanctions” aimed at Russia while Ukrainians continue to flee their own country. None of this suffering appears to concern the people in charge of American foreign policy. They don’t care about Ukraine’s ruin–they only care about sticking it to Russia. This is the inevitable product of a D.C. worldview that sees humans as cattle.
No doubt, the cost of the war to Russia has been high as well. They have miscalculated and made errors throughout this whole tragedy. But the narrative purveyed to the American people has not been honest or accurate. What does Ukraine gain by losing tens of thousands of lives and significant portions of its infrastructure? Many Ukrainians have lost their loved ones and face a brutal winter all for the sake of people like Ursula von der Leyen, Joe Biden, and their neocon handlers. It’s time for Western leaders face the truth, and pursue negotiations to save the Ukrainians from this human tragedy.
Somehow, all of this doesn’t seem to get reported in US newspapers.
A conspiracy of silence perhaps?
‘A conspiracy of silence, or culture of silence, describes the behavior of a group of people of some size, as large as an entire national group or profession or as small as a group of colleagues, that by unspoken consensus does not mention, discuss, or acknowledge a given subject. The practice may be motivated by positive interest in group solidarity or by such negative impulses as fear of political repercussion or social ostracism. It differs from avoiding a taboo subject in that the term is applied to more limited social and political contexts rather than to an entire culture. As a descriptor, conspiracy of silence implies dishonesty, sometimes cowardice, sometimes privileging loyalty to one social group over another. As a social practice, it is rather more extensive than the use of euphemisms to avoid addressing a topic directly.’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_of_silence_(expression)
There a few of them skeletons in the cupboard ready for the reveal.
It’s easy to control the media – you simply ask your minions to threaten to pull their advertising …
Recall a few years back the Google Ad Network stopped serving banners on Zero Hedge because they were failing to edit their comments…
Zero Hedge very quickly acted…
The same happens if a MSM runs stories that are not approved by the Ministry of Truth.
And if they do run approved articles — they get more advertising
But but but..
…conspira-bollocks..
.alternate fact ….
it ‘JUST CANT BE!!’
Some people just can’t leave childhood beliefs behind. Naivety is such a comfortable place to live; cowardice really.
Kind of sweet really.
Yes, factional interests definitely play an important role.
Also, it seems likely that herd dispositions of compliance have gradually been bred into the breed over a very long period through the elimination of dissidents and critical thinkers, leaving an absence of any competent leadership that is capable of independent assessment, and of any broader civil society that is capable of holding ‘leaders’ to account.
Humans are largely what they have made themselves, and an essentially compliant society ‘works’ only in so far as it does.
http://nietzsche.holtof.com/reader/friedrich-nietzsche/beyond-good-and-evil/aphorism-199-quote_74ad52f7d.html
> For as long as there have been people, there have been herds of people as well (racial groups, communities, tribes, folk, states, churches), and a very large number of people who obey compared to relatively few who command. So, considering the fact that humanity has been the best and most long-standing breeding ground for the cultivation of obedience so far, it is reasonable to suppose that the average person has an innate need to obey as a type of formal conscience that commands: “Thou shalt unconditionally do something, unconditionally not do something,” in short: “Thou shalt.” This need tries to satisfy itself and give its form a content, so, like a crude appetite, it indiscriminately grabs hold and accepts whatever gets screamed into its ear by some commander or another – a parent, teacher, the law, class prejudice, public opinion – according to its strength, impatience, and tension. The oddly limited character of human development – its hesitancy and lengthiness, its frequent regressions and reversals – is due to the fact that the herd instinct of obedience is inherited the best and at the cost of the art of commanding. If we imagine this instinct ever advancing to its furthest excesses, in the end there will be nobody with independence or the ability to command; or, such people will suffer inwardly from bad consciences and need to fool themselves into thinking that they too are only obeying before they are able to command. This is in fact the situation in Europe today; I call it the moral hypocrisy of the commanders….
sh…shhhh… keep is low.. Norm says “what truth?” What conspiracies?
I wonder why Norm is still here when he cannot see what we are seeing here. Does he have a motive? Maybe trying to brainwash us?
Maybe he’s part of the simulation? Or a glitch in it? I would ask everyone to pray for his soul but for the fact that doesn’t have one.
I vote for norm is a glitch .. a f789 up. A bad line of code… I doubt he’s a real person … can someone pull up the video of norm .. let’s see if he’s a robot
CTG maybe Norman is just doing his job.
British people and their beliefs can seem strange, but you need to remember the lifetime of programming that they are put through.
Historically the BBC were the programmers par excellence, with shows that seem benign, but which lead the thinking in the subtlest of ways.
Have you ever seen Dad’s Army?
https://youtu.be/kYz2nPE0BCk
Now move on a few decades and you end with this kind of person.
https://youtu.be/FEHDKlvUqkE
The Integrity Initiative is just one of hundreds of subdivisions of the Institute for Statecraft, which all serve the single purpose of deceiving the public both home and abroad (you probably guessed that from their names).
Maybe Norman is one of those volunteers, just doing their duty as per their programming.
as somebody commented the other day—that opinions on OFW show that no one here knows anything about the function of government, which is very closely akin to the TV series Yes Minister—where govt officials run around like headless chickens, all ignorant of any ultimate ‘purpose’ to it all
this is why there are no ‘conspiracies’—other than to stay in office as long as possible. THAT is the ‘ultimate purpose’.
CTG–Ive tried to be polite to you in the face of your misconceptions—-your beliefs are your own—but no one implanted anything in your brain in 1970—repeating otherwise isnt going to change anything–and make it true.
You really should see someone about that, or you really will end up in the funny farm.
Government officials only pay attention to what will get them re-elected. This is the way self-organizing systems work. They don’t need to understand anything else!
with anna?
i think she went off into the sunset with that guy on his sailboat
just for sailing lessons of course
Norman exemplifies a certain kind of British mentality, born of decades of full stomachs, peace and easy living, just as much as his own peculiar intellectual shortcomings.
It’s illuminating that he cites the sitcom ‘Yes, Minister!’ for his theory of government: this presented a comforting world of short-term fire-fighting, laughable ambition, bureaucratic deviousness and frequent buffoonery, but no real evil is ever possible, committed, or even conceivable.
This is only a partial truth, although there was enough in it to make the series amusing: and having watched the latest episode, Norman could make his bedtime cocoa or whisky, and settle down for the night knowing all was well in England, his street of little semi-detacheds, and in life in general.
It was superb entertainment, but utterly inadequate as a viewpoint for what unfolds in real politics and war.
The characters in ‘Yes Minister!’ would never lie on a grand scale, never kill or experiment recklessly, never escape the penalty for committing atrocious crimes (no immorality was ever committed in fact): now, is that real life?
In fact, there are a lot of people who have this view. The US CDC could never do anything wrong or harmful.
The vast majority are as we know … MOREONIC. They cannot think. That explains this phenomenon.
Thanks Xabier, that description of Yes Minister shows perfectly the job of the BBC and as you say it was enjoyable, so we fail to notice the easy manipulation of our understanding.
Thinking on the subject, whilst reading your reply brought to mind Mumford describing B F Sinner’s Walden Two.
https://youtu.be/gARS4F90wmw
Lately eeryone talks about the writing of Orwell and Huxley(Zamyatin really), but I’ve heard no one discuss Skinner or his book and given his field of science, I think his work/writing needs more thought.
What a great Mumford clip. It’s the same thing as Sheldon Wolin’s ‘inverted totalitarianism’ that Chris hedges cottoned-to years ago.
There’s a Huxley video on YouTube I watched a decade ago, of a talk he gave in Berkeley, CA, I believe, in the 60s on brave new world -type dystopian technocracy. For him the USSR was the model for where it was headed. In the q&a after the talk a woman smarter than him stood up and turned the tables on him, detailing why it would be (the inverted totalitarianism of) the West that would become the crowning achievement of totalitarianism. After she finished there were some verbal hesitations from Huxley, then a pause and a nervous laugh, after which he said something to the effect of, ‘well, you’re even more of a pessimist than I am.’
Mumford, in my opinion, was an intellectual great and a compassionate man. Glad you enjoyed it.
On Huxley, I’ve always liked his thoughts, but given his security services connections(both here and the U.S) and his family, I’ve regularly wondered about his real purpose.
Your comments on the Berkley talk might need a slight revision, as in the q&a in the below link he says, the chance of a dictatorship either Communistic or military, more likely military (48:00). The young lady is next up at 48:40.
https://youtu.be/zHv8bkZfack
Thanks for that heads up, it was an interesting listen and yes, a smart young woman.
Back to Mumford (sorry, but I like his thinking a lot and even listening to his voice is rather soothing), this clip is good, especially the last 30 seconds(a man that never let his ego surpass his intellect).
https://youtu.be/FA6yoFZTasg
Fitz
Thanks for digging up the Huxley video. Yes thanks for the revision, the salient point being that he appeared not to have considered Hi-Tech mind controlling democracy as the ultimate totalitarianism. But then again, he wasn’t necessarily wrong either, because we actually aren’t a democracy and are a military dictatorship lol.
The next question by the gentleman was good as was Huxley’s response. They both were in agreement that economic instability and dictatorship are incompatible (but then again so is democracy), which is the argument to be made against the Great Reset being the future: you can’t further centralize — or undertake a Great Reformation of the existing centralization that is failing — during energy collapse.
Then the next topic is human domestication, and Huxley relies on Darwin instead of relying on biology, but then again it was the 60s. He says that humans cannot be fully domesticated – that maybe the masses can be but not the elites. He obviously doesn’t have the faintest idea what he is talking about and therefore his conclusion is devoid of any substance. He’s just parroting Darwin.
Thanks for the Mumford video. He obviously didn’t have the good fortune of benefitting from a mature field of cultural anthropology either. If he had had that opportunity then I don’t doubt a man of his quality would have revised his opinion that man can structurally have a healthy relationship with the automobile (industrialism). What do you think?
That’s a tough question to answer reante.
We need to consider not just the extra understanding you suggest, but also the lived experience that mould us all.
I’d generally agree with your view, on the basis of what we know about how his lived experience moulded his thoughts.
The best I can say about his potential view, would be to quote his own words from The Myth of the Machine.
“to question both the assumptions and the predictions upon which our commitment to the present forms of scientific and technical progress, treated as ends in themselves, have been based.”
That would suggest an affirmative(at least in asking the question again, given what we now know).
My personal thoughts? I’d say he would cry like a baby to see what we have become and want to tear the whole thing down. I say that based on the last words he spoke in the original clip.
“Every part of us, tremendously alive and ready to take charge and this can’t be done by people who are in escape, people who have formed the habit of total rejection. We need to know what we want, not just what we don’t want”.
Sorry, not a great answer.
No Fitz that was the perfect counterpoint to my perennial certainty, thanks. Maybe he wasn’t quite as radical, or maybe just explicit, as Illich or Ellul, I don’t know.
That last quote of Mumford’s is certainly a key realization in life. I spent too many years saying no to Life ultimately because I didn’t know what what real life was. Many people never find out.
i am your terminator
i want your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle
so far though–walking naked into a biker bar as given some people the wrong idea about me
Norman, I was also being very polite. What you told me — “Please don’t think more about xxx. It is FOR YOUR OWN GOOD”.
Oh wow…. I never realize conspiracies are bad for health.
thanks for that
CTG
History (recent and ancient) is full of examples of people getting killed as an end result of conspiracy theories.
Last week, the Financial Times published an article entitled: “Hell Just Hell: Ukraine and Russia’s war of attrition over Bakhmut.”
don’t really need to read that FT article.
yes it’s truly a “war of attrition”, with at least 10 U dead for every 1 R, probably closer to 100 to 1.
the slow going R strategy is proving to be very effective.
life is not fair, que sera sera etc etc etc.
it’s truly a “war of attrition”, with at least 10 U dead for every 1 R, probably closer to 100 to 1. Not that I doubt you but where do you get this analysis from? Everything I look at seems to be censored …. I am afraid to even look
thesaker and moonofalabama are good doses of reality.
Yep, the Ukies are getting slaughtered, NATO demilitarised and the EU deindustrialised.
See also smoothiex12.blogspot.com + sonar21.com + Mercouris / Christoforou / Brian Berletic New Atlas on YouTube/Rumble.
Telegram Intel Slava and Donbass Devushka.
Man, are we supposed to feel bad about the Ukrainians? This happens all the time. Just in my country, Italy, created to fight the austro-hungarian empire, an entire generation was lost in the 1915-1918 war, even though we really had no business fighting them. The Poles were in this situation several times, and still are incapable of understanding their own history and what gave them problems. the Palestinians have a better understanding, and if Ukraine at the end finds itself with some uninvited guests, they will also start the arduous path to understanding. it is history, there will be puppets and idiots, and they will pay dearly.
Why not just Nuke the Uke — and get it over with?
Oh right — cuz we need that war to explain high energy costs. Just about every article about high energy costs mentions the Uke war as the cause… ever notice that?
I have noticed that we keep seeing stories mentioning the Ukraine war being the reason for the high energy costs.
Even when it is irrelevant to the story they throw that line in there…
Kinda like you are having a discussion with someone about daffodils… and suddenly they let out a big loud fart …. right out of left field… then back to the discussion of daffodils.
I have a policy of seeing everything the government says as disinformation of some sort. Often, the government is projecting its own sins onto others. Energy “policy” is one more example. The SPR has been drained, and industry reserves are also being drained away. A scapegoat has to be found. Clown world.
Ukraine will end up like Libya a bombed out sh1thole.
Why is it taking so long though??? Oh right … cuz
The Russians do not seem to have enough money to wage an American style war. If they did they would launch 400 cruise missiles from the black sea, 10,000 air mission dropping 40,000 high explosive bombs on everything electric, water, sewage, communications, bridges, rail junctions, air fields, food storage and distribution and more. The Russians are having to make due with artillery the poor mans weapon.
The consensus is Russia is going slow to avoid an out of control escalation, minimise their losses and to steadily suck everything that NATO has into Ukraine.
That way NATO kindly ships everything close to the Russians so they can destroy it.
Notice how many NATO countries are tapping out saying they have nothing left in their weapon stocks.
When this war is over, much of what was previously Ukraine will be part of Russia, and its population are going become Russians citizens, just like their great-grandparents were. The Russian Government wants them to be happy with that prospect if at all possible.
Also, the Russian Government will doubtless want the parts of Ukraine that choose to reunite with Russia to be productive places and not just a drain on the resources of everyone else. So preserving infrastructure and keeping contamination to a minimum are its preferred policy.
I expect Putin is saving his Death Star for more deserving targets, such as the District of Columbia, the City of London, Beverly Hills, Martha’s Vineyard, Foggy Bottom, and Davos on Bingo Night.
You are half right, Ed. The Russians are not making due, though. They are maybe the only ones left who are capable of waging a 20th century war now. No one else has the resources.
I don’t know how the destroyed electrical equipment is going to be replaced. I suspect you’re right and Ukraine will remain a basket case with intermittent electricity.
The lack of concern for immense suffering in the Ukraine mirrors the official indifference to the great harm caused by the vaxxes: all that matters is the higher objective.
The truth is obscured by slogans:
‘Ukraine can win!’ and ‘Miracle mRNA vaxxes will save humanity!’
This is true and on the flip side if you say anything against the memes your are labeled and attacked
So, NATO was prepared only for ‘4th and 5th generation’ wars, but not a real slog?
Nice uniforms and on all those generals and officers at NATO HQ, but no bottle to bring to the party…..
This is a war. Information is of course censored.
Oil production more and more concentrates on a few spots: Middle East, Saudi peninsula, Caspian Sea, perhaps Venezuela.
With supply crunshes the oil does not reach the free markets but are sold to strategic partners (Iran and China, the BRICSS). If the West aims to secure their share – the EU is planning to integrate Aserbadjan and Georgia (look at the maps if this is still Europe?) – a world war is unavoidable. The Black Sea as the route to transport oil from the Caspian fields, Taiwan, dominance in the Pacific and access to fields will all be solved at once.
Thar she pukes!
https://wolfstreet.com/2022/12/19/san-francisco-silicon-valley-housing-markets-puke-huge-price-drops-as-startups-crypto-tech-social-media-make-a-total-mess/
https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/US-california-housing-CAR-2022-12-19-San-Francisco.png
https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/US-california-housing-CAR-2022-12-19-San-Francisco-YOY.png
The San Francisco housing market is doing particularly poorly!
You do no longer need to live in CA if you want to code for the digital prison.