Fossil Fuel Imports Are Already Constrained

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For many years, there has been a theory that imports of oil would become a problem before there was an overall shortage of fossil fuels. In fact, when I look at the data, it seems to be clear that oil imports are already constrained.

Figure 1. Interregional trade of fossil fuels based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

As I look at the data, it appears to me that coal and natural gas imports are becoming constrained, as well. There was evidence of this constrained supply in the spiking prices for these fuels in Europe in late 2021 and early 2022, starting well before the Ukraine conflict began.

Oil, coal, and natural gas are different enough from each other that we should expect somewhat different patterns. Oil is inexpensive to transport. It is especially important for the production of food and for transportation. Prices tend to be worldwide prices.

Coal and natural gas are both more expensive to transport than oil. They tend to be used in industry, in the heating and cooling of buildings, and in electricity production. Their prices tend to be local prices, rather than the worldwide price we expect for oil. Prices for importers of these fuels can jump very high if there are shortages.

In this post, I first look at the trends in the overall supply of these fuels, since a big part of the import problem is fossil fuel supply not growing quickly enough to keep pace with world population growth. I also give more background how the three fossil fuels differ.

After this introductory material, I provide charts and some analysis of fossil fuel imports and exports by region, based on data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy. Theoretically, the total of regional imports should be very close to the total of regional exports. This analysis gives a little more insight into what is going wrong and where.

[1] On a worldwide basis, total supplies of both oil and coal seem to be constrained.

Figure 2. World consumption of oil, coal, and natural gas based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

Figure 2 shows that world supplies of all three fossil fuels follow the same general pattern: They tend to rise in close to parallel lines, with oil supply on top, coal next, and natural gas providing the least supply.

The total supply of fossil fuels needs to be shared by the world’s population. It therefore makes sense to look at supply on a per capita basis.

Figure 3. World per capita consumption of oil, coal, and natural gas, based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

On Figure 3, the top line, oil supply per capita, is almost perfectly level, suggesting that having a greater supply of oil enables having a larger world population. This relationship makes sense because oil is used to a significant extent in growing today’s food, and shipping it to market. Oil products also make herbicides, insecticides, and drugs for animals that enable the growing supply of food needed to feed today’s population. Oil products are also helpful in road making, and in providing lubrication for machinery of all kinds.

We might conclude that oil supply is essential to the growth of human population. It is only by way of a huge change in the economy, such as the one that took place in 2020, that there is a big dip in oil usage. Even now, some of the changes are “sticking.” Some people are continuing to work from home. Business travel is still low. People are still not buying fancy clothing as much as before 2020. All these things help reduce fossil fuel usage, particularly oil usage.

Figure 3 also shows that on a per capita basis, coal supply has fallen by 9% since its peak in 2011. This fact, plus the fact that coal prices have been spiking around the world in recent years, leads me to believe that coal supply is already constrained, even apart from the export issue.

[2] The share of oil traded interregionally is more than double the share of coal or natural gas traded interregionally.

The reason why oil is disproportionately high in Figure 1 compared to Figure 2 is because a little over 40% of oil is shipped between regions. In comparison, only about 18% of coal production is traded with other regions, and about 17% of natural gas production is shipped interregionally. Oil is much easier (and cheaper) to transport between regions than either coal or natural gas. Shipping costs tend to escalate rapidly, the farther either natural gas or coal is shipped.

Natural gas has a second problem over and above the high cost of shipping: It requires storage (which may be high cost) if it is not used immediately. Storage is needed for both natural gas and coal because both fuels are often used for heat in winter, either by direct burning or by creating electricity that can be used to heat buildings. Storage for coal is close to free because it can be stored in piles outside.

Besides heat in winter, coal is also used to provide electricity for air conditioning in summer, so its demand curve has peaks in both summer and winter. Natural gas is much more of a winter-heat fuel in the US, so it has a large peak corresponding to winter usage (Figure 4).

Figure 4. Coal and natural gas consumption by month based on data of the US Energy Information Administration.

Storage for natural gas needs to be available in every area where users expect to use it for winter heat. The cost of this storage will be low if there are depleted natural gas caverns that can be used for storage. It is likely to be high if above ground storage is required. Natural gas importing areas often do not have suitable caverns for storage. The easy approach is to try to get by with a bare minimum of storage, and hope that imports can somehow make up the difference.

The big question for any fuel is, “Can consumers afford to pay a high enough price to cover all the costs involved in getting the fuel from endpoint to endpoint, at the time it is needed?

Citizens become very unhappy if the cost of winter heat becomes extremely expensive. They demand subsidies and rebates from the government, in order to keep costs down. This is a sign that prices are too high for the consumer.

Both coal and natural gas are also heavily used in manufacturing. Their prices vary greatly from location to location and from time to time. If coal or natural gas prices rise in a particular location, the cost of manufactured goods from that location will also tend to rise. These higher prices will particularly hurt a manufacturing country, such as Germany, because its manufactured goods will become less competitive in the world marketplace. GDP growth will be reduced, and the profitably of manufacturers will tend to fall.

Because of these issues, long-distance trade in both coal and natural gas tend to hit barriers that may be difficult to see simply by looking at the trend in world production.

[3] Natural gas exports may already be becoming constrained, even though the total amount extracted still seems to be rising.

A huge amount of investment is needed to make long-distance sale of natural gas possible. Such investment includes:

  • The cost of developing a natural gas field for export use, usually over many years.
  • Pipelines covering every inch traveled by the natural gas, other than any portion of the trip for which transfer as liquefied natural gas (LNG) is planned.
  • Special ships to transport the LNG.
  • Facilities to chill natural gas, so it can be shipped overseas as LNG.
  • Regasification plants, to make the natural gas ready to ship by pipeline after it has been transferred as LNG.
  • Storage facilities, so that sufficient natural gas is available for winter.

Not all of these investments are made by the same organizations. They all need to provide an adequate return. Even if “only” very long-distance pipelines are used, the cost can be high.

Pipelines work best when there is no conflict among countries. They can be blown up by another country that seeks to raise natural gas prices, or that wants to retaliate for some perceived misdeed. For this reason, most growth in natural gas exports/imports in recent years has been as LNG.

Organizations investing in high-cost infrastructure for extracting and shipping natural gas would like long-term contracts at high prices in order to cover their costs. Without a stable long-term supply contract, natural gas purchase prices can be extremely variable. Japan has tended to buy LNG under such long-term contracts, but many other countries have taken a wait-and-see attitude toward prices, hoping that “spot” prices will be lower. They don’t want to lock themselves into a long-term high-priced contract.

There are two different things that tend to go wrong:

  • Spot prices bounce up above even what the long-term contract price would have been, creating a huge high-price problem for consumers.
  • Spot prices, on average, turn out to be too low for natural gas exporters. As a result, they cut back on investment, so that the amount of future exports can be expected to fall.

I believe that there is a significant chance that natural gas exports are now reaching a situation where prices cannot please all users simultaneously. Not all investors can get an adequate return on the huge investments that they have made in advance. Some investments that should have been made will be omitted. For example, there might be enough natural gas storage for a warm winter, but not for a very cold winter in Europe.

A prime characteristic of a fossil fuel (or any resource) that is not economic to extract is that the industry has difficulty paying its workers an adequate wage. Recently, there has been news about a union strike against Chevron at an Australian natural gas extraction site used to provide gas for liquefied natural gas (LNG) export. This suggests that natural gas may already be hitting long-distance export limits. Prices can’t stay high enough for producers to pay their workers an adequate wage.

[4] Oil imports by area suggest that the rapidly growing manufacturing parts of the world are squeezing out the imports desired by high-wage, service-oriented countries.

Because oil is so important in international trade, I looked at the amounts two ways. The first is based on trade flows, as reported by the Energy Institute:

Figure 5. Oil imports by area based on the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

The second is based upon a comparison of reported production and consumption for the same year, using the assumption that if consumption is higher than production, the difference must be attributable to imported oil. The problem with this later approach is that it can easily be distorted by changes in inventory levels. There may also be difficulties with my approach of netting out flows in two different directions, especially if the flows are partly of crude oil and partly of “oil products” of various types.

Figure 6. Oil imports based on production and consumption data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute. Amounts adjusted to include “Refinery Gain,” as reported by the US Energy Information Administration.

In both charts, imports for China, India, and Other Asia Pacific are clearly much higher in recent years, while imports for the US, Japan, and Europe are down. The peak year for imports (in total) was about 2016 or 2017. Imports were about 3.5 million barrels a day lower in 2022, compared to peak, with both approaches.

[5] Oil imports by area indicate that nearly all oil exporters around the globe are having difficulty maintaining export levels.

Here, again I show two indications, using the same methods as for oil imports. Since trade is two sided, I would expect total import indications to more or less equal the total of all amounts exported.

Figure 7. Oil exports by area using trade flows based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

On Figure 7, peak oil exports (in total) occur in 2016, with the runner up year being 2017. US oil exports are shown to be nearly zero, even in recent years, because US imports and US oil exports more or less cancel out.

Figure 8. Oil exports based on production and consumption data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute. Amounts adjusted to include “Refinery Gain,” as reported by the US Energy Information Administration.

The indications of Figure 8 show that apart from Canada, the amount of oil exported for all the other export groupings shown is lower in recent years than it was a few years ago. This is also evident in Figure 7, but not as clearly.

To some extent, the lower production in recent years is related to the cutbacks announced by OPEC+ (including what I call Russia+). While these cutbacks are “voluntary,” they reflect the fact that based on current oil prices, and based on investments made in recent years, these countries have made the decision to cut back production. No oil exporter would dare mention that it is running short of oil that can be extracted without considerably more investment.

On Figures 7 and 8, “Mexico+South” refers to all the oil being produced from Mexico southward. Besides Mexico, this includes Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina, Columbia, Ecuador, and a number of other small producers. Most of them are experiencing falling production. Brazil is doing a bit better, but it does not seem to be experiencing much growth in exports.

Africa’s peak year for oil exports seems to have been in 2007 (both approaches), with recent exports at a much lower level.

With respect to Russia+, its exports seem to be down from their peak in 2017 or 2018, but not any more than for oil producers from the Middle East. The European Union oil embargo doesn’t seem to have had much of an impact.

The star performer seems to be Canada, with its rising production and exports from the Canadian Oil Sands.

In this analysis, I have “netted out” imports and exports. On this basis, the US hasn’t moved into significant oil exporter status yet. I am sure that there are some people hoping that the oil production of the US will continue to increase, but whether this will happen is unclear. The growth of US oil production in recent years has helped offset (and thus hide from view) the falling exports of many countries around the world.

[6] Coal exports appear to have peaked about 2016. Europe has reduced its imports of coal, leaving more for other importers.

Figure 9. Coal imports by area using trade flows based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

The peak in coal imports seems to have occurred about 2016. In particular, Europe’s imports of coal have fallen significantly since 2006. At the same time, coal imports have risen for many Asian countries, including China, India, South Korea, and Other Asia Pacific. Even Japan seems to have been able to obtain a fairly consistent level of coal imports for the 22-year period shown on Figure 9.

Figure 10. Coal exports by area based on trade flow data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

One thing that is striking about coal exports is that they are disproportionately from countries in the Far East. Even the coal exports of the US and Canada are from North America’s West Coast, across the Pacific. Russia’s coal exports tend to be from Siberia.

The coal exports of South Africa have declined significantly since 2018, and other African countries are eager for their imports. Today’s largest source of coal exports is Indonesia. Coal exports from Russia+, at least until 2021, have been been a source of coal export growth.

A major share of the delivered price of coal is transportation cost, which tends to be fueled by oil, particularly diesel. Overland transit is particularly expensive. The real reason for Europe’s decline in coal imports since 2006 (shown in Figure 9) may be that there are practically no affordable coal exports available to it because it is too geographically remote from major exporters. Of course, this is not a story politicians care to tell voters. They prefer to spin the story as Europe’s choice, to prevent climate change.

[7] Natural gas imports and exports have only recently started to become constrained.

Figure 11. Natural gas exports by area based primarily upon production and consumption data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

Figure 11 shows that natural gas exports from Russia+ (really Russia, with a little extra production from other countries in the Commonwealth of Independent States) have stayed fairly level, except for a big drop-off in 2009 (probably recession related) and in 2022.

The overall level of natural gas exports has been rising because of contributions from several parts of the world. Africa was an early producer of natural gas exports, but its exports have been dropping off somewhat recently as local gas consumption rises.

More importantly, exports have increased in recent years from the Middle East, Australia, and North America. With this growing supply of exports, it has been possible for importers to increase their imports.

Figure 12. Natural gas imports by area based upon production and consumption data from the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

Europe was able to maintain a fairly stable level of natural gas imports between 1990 and 2018, and even to increase them by 2021. China was able to ramp up its natural gas imports. Even Japan was able to ramp up its natural gas imports until about 2014. It has tapered them back since then. India and Other Asia Pacific both have been able to add a small layer of imports, too.

[8] What lies ahead?

The countries that have the greatest advantage in using fossil fuel imports are the countries that don’t heat or cool their homes, and that don’t have large numbers of private citizens with private passenger automobiles. Because of their sparing use of fossil fuel imports, their economies can afford to pay higher prices to import these fossil fuel imports than other countries. Thus, they are likely to be winners in the competition for fossil fuel imports.

Europe stands out to be an early loser of imports. It is already losing oil and coal imports, and it also seems to be an early loser of natural gas imports. However, for all its talk about preventing climate change, the reduction in European imports of fossil fuels hasn’t made much of a dent in global carbon dioxide emissions (Figure 13).

Figure 13. CO2 emissions for Europe and the Rest of the World, based on data of the 2023 Statistical Review of World Energy by the Energy Institute.

I am afraid that no country will really come out ahead. In some sense, the United States is better off than many countries because it is producing slightly more fossil fuels than it consumes. But it still depends on China and other countries for many imported goods, including computers. Given this situation, the United States likely cannot continue business as usual for very long, either.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,123 Responses to Fossil Fuel Imports Are Already Constrained

  1. Adonis says:

    The Truth About Why Bill Gates Keeps Buying Up So Much Farmland
    He’s the largest landowner in the United States.

    Headshot of Darren Orf BY DARREN ORF PUBLISHED: JAN 19, 2023

    uk hosts first global investment summit

    Bill Gates owns a ton of farmland in the United States—as in, about 270,000 acres.

    That makes him the largest landowner in the U.S.

    Stats show agriculture is a pretty good investment for billionaires.

    Bill Gates and conspiracy theories go together like peanut butter and jelly. The billionaire can’t seem to do anything without drawing the conspiratorial ire of online netizens. One of the more colorful theories pertains to Gates’s strange interest in U.S. agriculture, with rumors that the former Microsoft CEO owns upward of 80 percent of farmland in the United States.

    Amazing, if true—but it’s extremely not. In a Reddit “Ask Me Anything” (AMA) last week, Gates once again fielded a question pertaining to his AG holdings and stated that he actually only owns 1/4000 of all U.S. farmland, or about 270,000 acres spread across 18 different states. Although nowhere near 80 percent of U.S. farmland, it’s still a little more than one-third of the state of Rhode Island, a surprising amount for one person and enough to make Gates the largest landowner in the U.S.

    So why does Bill Gates, and other billionaires like him, keep buying up so much farmland?

    SOME THINGS BILL GATES IS DOING

    microsoft hosts windows hardware engineering conference
    …Thinking About Dimming the Sun

    bill gates visits berlin
    …Eating So Much Synthetic Beef

    white toilet with a pink and white background
    …Turning Your Poop Into Ash

    Some experts have pointed to Gates’s well-known sustainability and green tech initiatives as a possible reason, but during an earlier Reddit AMA in 2021, Gates said, “my investment group chose to do this. It is not connected to climate.” That’s because the old adage goes: “Buy land—they aren’t making it anymore.” (Which volcanologists know isn’t exactly true, but you get the idea).

    Starting in 2013, Gates began investing his billions (through the firm Cascade Investment) in agriculture because of its steady increase in value and low volatility. According to Mother Jones, the average price of farmland increased six times from 1940 to 2015, and the trend is likely to continue as the amount of arable land in the U.S. continues to shrink from climate-related pressures.

    However, this practice of buying up agricultural land predates Bill Gates and has been a popular investment for the super-rich since at least the early 2000s. The financial crisis later in that same decade prompted an explosion of investments into farmland when monetary safe havens became scarce.

    Although Gates owns these farms, he isn’t changing their practices. Instead, he mostly acts like a landlord and allows professional farmers to keep doing their thing—even if those practices are ruinous to the environment. Similar to private equity firms destabilizing the housing market, millionaires and billionaires investing in farmland are also creating their own set of issues, as they are now pricing out young farmers looking to buy land.

    Will Bill Gates’s green tech initiatives ever intersect with his growing agricultural empire? Who knows. In that same Reddit AMA from 2021, the one where Gates separated his land investments from his sustainability initiatives, he also mentioned the importance of “productive seeds” to avoid deforestation as well as the production of biofuels, which relies heavily on corn, in the very same answer.

    For now, Gates’s ever-expanding farmland ownership is really just “rich guy doing rich guy things,” and while concerning in a late-stage capitalism sort of way, it isn’t as cartoonishly nefarious as some conspiratorial corners of the internet want to believe.

    • This seems to be from Popular Mechanics.

      https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a42543527/why-is-bill-gates-buying-so-much-farmland/#

      It was published on January 28, 2023.

      I know that someone has said that Bill Gates has used herbicide to kill what is growing on part of his land–but that isn’t mentioned in this article.

    • I AM THE MOB says:

      eminent domain brah!

      • Foolish Fitz says:

        Eminent Domain brings Rosa Koire’s Behind the Green Mask to mind.

        I’ll quote this bit, as it will feel all to familiar, for those that spoke out over the last 3 years. The future they plan won’t be Communism , Socialism or Anarchism, it will be Communitarianism and all eyes and ears will do their work.

        “What happens if you dare to speak out? Communitarianism is at the heart of consensus meetings. A vital element of Communitarianism is the use of social pressure to make you conform. Shame. The point is to create a climate of isolation in the meeting for those who do not agree. The idea of dissent is too scary, too exposed, and too anti-social for you to brave ridicule and the disapproval of your peers. So if you do dare to speak out you will be ignored, laughed at, maligned, shamed, boo’d or shouted down. Individual table monitors may goad a person they’ve identified as ‘liable to make a scene’ to loudly agree with you in order to make you appear to have a fringe point of view. The facilitator may allow this bit of chaos to continue for a minute so that the tension can be relieved and your question forgotten.

        When the meeting is over you’ll be thanked for your input and leave feeling that maybe you’re the only one who doesn’t like the plan or who felt manipulated. You might even decide that you’re not going back to one of those meetings since you didn’t really feel heard, and besides it took hours of your evening. Maybe you have a nagging bit of shame that you were visioning on someone else’s property, someone who wasn’t there and couldn’t protest that they like their property just the way it is. Maybe you don’t want to think about what it would take to make that vision real. But you shrug your shoulders and walk to your car feeling that you’ve been a good citizen and participated in a community event. You’ve been Delphi’d.”

        https://archive.org/details/behind-the-green-mask-u.-n.-agenda-21/mode/1up

        For those who prefer to watch/listen(assuming anyone is interested).
        Part 1 of 4.

        https://youtu.be/o8-bcAwc28s?feature=shared

    • drb753 says:

      270,000 is not a lot. The Russian Minister of agriculture owns, IIRC, 1.3M acres.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Serious question, no sarcasm: How much tundra? Are the fighter jet sized mosquitos thrown in for good measure? The last sentence is an attempt at humor, was once in northern New Foundland, the things were giants.

        Dennis L.

        • drb753 says:

          There is quite a bit of decent farmland north of Moscow and of course in Siberia. But all the farmland that was restarted first was steppe, plus the area around Ukraine. do a search for “map of chernozem” and you will see.

  2. Fast Eddy says:

    To my point … intelligence is stooopidity:

    Are intelligent people more likely to get vaccinated? The association between COVID-19 vaccine adherence and cognitive profiles
    Author links open overlay panelMeital Zur a b, Leah Shelef c d, Elon Glassberg b e f, Noam Fink b c, Ilan Matok a, Limor Friedensohn b c g

    Introduction
    Since vaccination adherence is crucial in reducing morbidity and mortality during a pandemic, we characterized the association between demographic, intelligence, and personal attributes and COVID-19 vaccination adherence among young adults.

    Methods
    Cohort study including vaccination data of 185,061 personnel, collected during 13 months of COVID-19 vaccination campaign, while a wide array of vaccination incentives were offered. The effect of demographic data (age, gender and socioeconomic status), military medical fitness – fit for combat service, administrative service, or unfit (volunteering), general intelligence score (GIS) and military social score (MSS) assessing social abilities, on vaccine adherence (allocating by IMOH guidelines) was examined.

    Results
    Adherent (vs. nonadherent) personnel presented higher GIS (mean 5.68 ± 1.84 vs. 4.72 ± 1.91) and MSS (median 26 (IQR 23–29) vs. 24 (IQR 19–26)), p < 0.001 for both. Higher intelligence was the strongest predictor for vaccine adherence (OR = 5.38, 95 %CI 5.11–5.67, p < 0.001). The probability for vaccine adherence increased in association with escalating GIS scores, with highest GIS females more likely to adhere to vaccination than same-level males (OR = 5.66, 95 %CI 5.09–6.28 vs. OR = 3.69, 95 %CI 3.45–3.94, respectively, p < 0.001 for both). Medically fit service-members were approximately three times as likely to be adherent than volunteering personnel (OR = 2.90 (95 %CI 2.65–3.17) for administrative and OR = 2.94 (95 %CI 2.70–3.21) for combative fitness, p < 0.001 for both).

    Conclusions
    During a COVID-19 vaccination campaign, addressing vaccine hesitancy contributing factors and providing wide vaccine availability, GIS and physical fitness had the strongest association with vaccination adherence among young adults. When planning future vaccination campaigns, implementing these insights should be considered to improve adherence.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X23009519

    • I have a hard time understanding how ” implementing these insights should be considered to improve adherence.” Women have higher compliance (they are less likely to die, anyhow) and those with higher General Intelligence Scores (who usually are less likely to die).

      Is the next campaign to Covid vaccines supposed to be aimed at stupid, not very physically fit males, to try to get better compliance. I am afraid the underlying characteristics can’t be changed much.

      Also, the next time around, some of the more intelligent folks will have figured out that the vaccines don’t work and have awful side effects.

      • drb753 says:

        perhaps the pic of an obvious beta male, modestly dressed, his face astonished, covered in lipstick kiss prints. Caption: “Not an oligarch? Try full vaxx.”. Although this is disrespectful of beta males. They have known the scores for centuries.

    • We need to get away from the idea that vaccines and their administration should have immunity from lawsuits. I don’t know whether all of the things alleged in this article are taking place, but somehow, doctors, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies need to have liability of “vaccines” are counterproductive.

  3. Fast Eddy says:

    The Vaxxers are imploding … https://www.facebook.com/reel/847283847101876

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    If any auto-reactive cells get through the plinko game board, there are systems in place in the periphery (and centralized) to ensure that if a cell does react to self proteins (or antigens – molecules capable of inducing an immune response), the reaction will be shut down quickly. Think of it like fire trucks to fires. If a small fire breaks out, there are fire trucks in place to respond to the fire and they are equipped to put it out. If the truck number gets impaired, or if enough trucks run out of water or anti-fire power, then the fire can get out of control. T regulatory cells play big roles as part of this fire fighting force.

    Autoimmunity is something in its own class of problems. These problems have increased dramatically over the past 40 years and interestingly, are associated with the West.¹²³ Epigenetic factors, pollution, metals, diet and toxins can all lead to autoimmune conditions. There are too many for me to list here (more than 80)⁴, but some include Type I diabetes, multiple sclerosis, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.⁵

    The one thing you don’t hear a lot about though is how vaccines can induce autoimmunity. They can. I reference some articles on this subject matter below.

    A crash course in autoimmunity:

    https://jessicar.substack.com/p/spike-mediated-ctl-mediated-immunity

  5. Fast Eddy says:

    Turbo Cancer and vax injuries are the side show:

    Spike-mediated (CTL)-mediated immunity is NOT autoimmunity
    Autoimmunity involves responses to SELF-antigen
    JESSICA ROSE

    This article is really important and draws attention to the distinction between autoimmunity and acquired T and B-cell-mediated immunity. We can define the difference using only two words: self and foreign.

    I wrote these words before here:

    “The thing that people are talking about with regard to injection-related spike embedded cell destruction, is not autoimmunity. It is the immune system working properly to clear cells with destroy-me flags on their surfaces.”

    When the immune system detects a foreign (or non-self) antigen, it responds by generating an army of targeted immune mediators to detect and destroy the foreign entity. This is what is happening when foreign proteins, or the coding material for foreign protein production, are injected into us. In the case of the COVID-19 injectable products, this response is spike antigen specific, but again, the immune response would occur in response to ANY foreign protein. This is NOT autoimmunity.

    The reason our immune systems don’t go haywire on our own proteins all the time is due primarily to something called clonal selection. Self antigen-recognizing cells are deleted in the plinko game that is the auto-reactive cell depletion center.

    https://jessicar.substack.com/p/spike-mediated-ctl-mediated-immunity

    drb – another chance to demonstrate your expertise in this area and explain to madame Rose that this condition will clear up on it’s own…

    See the comments section at the bottom — make sure to mock her to get her attention and force her to respond

    • drb753 says:

      Eddy, you also need to avoid triggering the auto immune system. More than half the western population has some form of auto immune problem. the ability of this piss poor vaccine to kill is greatly amplified by the awful state of health in the west. when I talk about it, I talk as if rational choices could be made in health management. and those who can’t, they were dying earlier regardless.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Patience grasshopper… the cannisters remain in storage… waiting for the moment when it is determined the CBs are unable to hold the shit show together any longer…

        That is when the binary poison phase two – designed to work with the damaged immune systems… which will welcome the poison in like a long lost friend…

        And then… and only then…. will the Great Extinction commence.

        Surely this is obvious? Why else would they want to damage the immune systems of billions?

  6. Mirror on the wall says:

    John Joseph Mearsheimer is an American political scientist and international relations scholar, who belongs to the realist school of thought. He is the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor at the University of Chicago. He has been described as the most influential realist of his generation.

    > An Endgame for the Ukrainian War w/ John Mearsheimer, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen

    • Mearsheimer has been warning since 2014 that trying to add Ukraine to NATO would tend to provoke war with Russia.

      Now, what he as forecast has come true. Now the Russia-Ukraine war has settled into a war of attrition. In such a scenario, Russia is bound to win. The commitment of the West might not last either. Mainstream in the West thought that the West could easily win.

      In fact, the Ukraines were being pushed to the slaughter. Blitzkriegs don’t very often succeed. Perhaps one time in six. But the West assumed that a Blitzkrieg would work.

      The US is good at beating up on small militaries. People in the West seem to think that the Russians are a bankrupt economy, who could not put up a good fight.

      In the US, it is not possible for the media in the Mainstream to say that Ukrainians are going to lose, according to Mearsheimer. The writers will be blackballed.

      Video is much longer than this.

  7. MikeJones says:

    “If industrial man continues to multiply his numbers and expand his operations he will succeed in his apparent intention, to seal himself off from the natural and isolate himself within a synthetic prison of his own making.”
    Edward Abbey Author Desert Solitaire

    Why is it that the destruction of something created by humans is called vandalism, yet the destruction of something created by God is called development?

    Life is too short for grief. Or regret. Or bullshit.

    When the situation is hopeless, there’s nothing to worry about.

    Better a cruel truth than a comfortable delusion.” ― Edward Abbey

    Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.” ― Edward Abbey

    “If my decomposing carcass helps nourish the roots of a juniper tree or the wings of a vulture—that is immortality enough for me. And as much as anyone deserves.” ― Edward Abbey

    What’s this talk about advancement of civilization?

    • Dennis L. says:

      “Edward Paul Abbey was an American author and essayist noted for his advocacy of environmental issues, criticism of public land policies, and anarchist political views.”

      My comment to that, “BS.”

      “Better a cruel truth than a comfortable delusion”

      Again BS, who the heck is this guy to know everything?

      From Wikipedia:

      “When he returned to the United States, Abbey took advantage of the G.I. Bill to attend the University of New Mexico, where he received a B.A. in philosophy and English in 1951, and a master’s degree in philosophy in 1956.”

      Civilization is the best we have learned to do so far, it is a work in progress. Want to regress? Well, try one of those war torn areas where people are continually at eachothers throats, or try a major US city where civilization is regressing and drive by shootings are the norm.

      What the heck service can a philosopher do for me? If not for mandatory courses in college with an associated student loan, who would purchase anything from a guy like this?

      He is an advocate, someone who wishes to be paid for advancing his opinion onto others, mostly with a grant from civilization, i.e. the public purse.

      Dennis L.

      • MikeJones says:

        Denny…sorry to ruffle you up some…remember life is too short for BS…take it or leave it…
        Before making hasty judgements from a Google…sit down with his Desert Solitaire book

        Based on Abbey’s activities as a park ranger at Arches National Monument (now Arches National Park) in the late 1950s, the book is often compared to Henry David Thoreau’s Walden and Aldo Leopold’s A Sand County Almanac.[1] It is written as a series of vignettes about Abbey’s experiences in the Colorado Plateau region of the desert Southwestern United States, ranging from vivid descriptions of the fauna, flora, geology, and human inhabitants of the area, to firsthand accounts of wilderness exploration and river running, to a polemic against development and excessive tourism in the national parks, to stories of the author’s work with a search and rescue team to pull a human corpse out of the desert. The book is interspersed with observations and discussions about the various tensions – physical, social, and existential – between humans and the desert environment. Many of the chapters also engage in lengthy critiques of modern Western civilization, United States politics, and the decline of America’s natural environment.

        The finest quality of this stone, these plants and animals, this desert landscape is the indifference manifest to our presence, our absence, our staying or our going. Whether we live or die is a matter of absolutely no concern whatsoever to the desert. Let men in their madness blast every city on earth into black rubble and envelope the entire planet in a cloud of lethal gas – the canyons and hills, the springs and rocks will still be here, the sunlight will filter through, water will form and warmth shall be upon the land and after sufficient time, now matter how long, somewhere, living things will emerge and join and stand once again, this time perhaps to take a different and better course.[23]

        There may be some among the readers of this book, like the earnest engineer, who believe without question that any and all forms of construction and development are intrinsic goods, in the national parks as well as anywhere else, who virtually identify quantity with quality and therefore assume that the greater the quantity of traffic, the higher the value received. There are some who frankly and boldly advocate the eradication of the last remnants of wilderness and the complete subjugation of nature to the requirements of – not man – but industry. This is a courageous view, admirable in its simplicity and power, and with the weight of all modern history behind it. It is also quite insane. I cannot attempt to deal with it here.[29]

        Hope you enjoy your life in outer space…😜

        • Walt says:

          “He got the high sign so he jumped a bus
          And along the roads that wind on through
          The hot mojave and the jericho / he’d start his whole life anew
          And what he’d left behind he hadn’t valued
          Half as much as some things he never knew
          He got dropped off on a street in town
          Where a grey old man looked him up and down and said
          “son this ain’t no western movie matinee
          And you’re a long way off from yippee yi yay
          ’cause i can tell at a glance you’re not from ’round these parts
          Got a green look about ya, and that’s a gringo for starts
          Sometimes the only things a western savage understands
          Are whiskey and rifles and an unarmed man like you.”

          And then the old-timer pulled him close and said
          “you’ve come a long way, i know, you got a longer drive ahead
          Through the bones of a buffalo, through the claims of the western dead
          And just like the spokes of a wheel you’ll spin ’round with the rest
          You’ll hear the drums and the brush of steel
          You’ll hear the call of the west.” / call of the west
          You’ll hear the call of the west / call of the west”

          (the conflict:) harshly awakened by the sound of six rounds of light
          Caliber rifle fire followed minutes later by the booming of nine rounds
          From a heavier rifle, but you can’t close off the wilderness. he heard
          The snick of a rifle bolt and found himself staring down the muzzle of a
          Weapon held by a drunken liquor store owner. “there’s a conflict,” he
          Said. “there’s a conflict between land and people…the people have to
          Go. they’ve come all the way out here to make mining claims, to do
          Automobile body work, to gamble, to take pictures, to not have to do
          Laundry, to own a mini-bike, to have their own cb radios and air
          Conditioning, good plumbing for sure, and to sell time/life books and to
          Work in a deli, to have some chili every morning and maybe…maybe to own
          Their own gas stations again and to take drugs and have some crazy sex
          But above all, above all to have a fair shake, to get a piece of the rock
          And a slice of the pie and to spit out the window of your car and not
          Have the wind blow it back in your face.”

          Partial lyrics from Call of the West written by Wall of Voodoo’s Stan Ridgway

    • We are all dissipative structures. We see a need to succeed–to dissipate more energy.

      • Mike Jones says:

        More! More! is the cry of a mistaken soul, less than All cannot satisfy Man.
        From William Blake

        Mans perceptions are not bounded by organs of perception. he percieves more than sense (tho’ ever so acute) can discover.
        II Reason or the ratio of all we have already known. is not the same that it shall be when we know more.
        [III lacking]
        IV The bounded loathed by its possessor. The same dull round even of a univer[s]e would soon become a mill with complicated wheels
        V If the many become the same as the few when possess’d, More! More! is the cry of a mistaken soul, less than All cannot satisfy Man.
        https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/there-no-natural-religion

  8. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101063956674&seq=32

    World Almanac 1912

    At that time there were 45 countries on the world.

    21 of them were in the Americas, meaning 20 of them were Latin American countries (Canada was NOT a country back then).

    China,Thailand, Afghanistan, Persia, Abyssinia, and Morocco were under the thumbs of various European countries, and Liberia and all of the Latin American countries were American turf. The colonies were all owned by some great power.

    So, there were only USA and Japan outside of Europe. At that time Turkey was considered to be European.

    I personally think if this system continued we would have entered Type I by 2000.

    Too many countries, following too many diverse goals. The rebels in Niger and Gabon do not give two cents about civilization. All they care about is having a bit higher standard of living, which is detrimental for civilization since the utility of improving their standard of life is virtually nil.

    In a utilitarian view, it is better for most of the world to live a very hard scrabble life, while civilization improve.

    The world was definitely entering a liftoff in 1913, the closest humankind will ever get to singularity.

    If Kennedy didn’t read the stupid book by Barbara Tuchman , “The Guns of August”, and had a nuclear war to eliminate the soviets (and subjugate the Chinese), we might have made it. Tuchman , like Harriet Stowe a century before, harmed Civilization.

  9. Despite of all these resources wasted in the Third World, where even the tribes in New Guinea have smartphones (telegram messages there ‘warned’ the tribespeople so vaccine rate was kinda low),

    There is a chance to turn things around.

    A new Manhattan Project, using the entire world’s remaining resources, will do it.

    Any projects not related to that would be suppressed. For example, use of smartphones will be restricted to those who have permissions.

    This is a do or die project, with no questions needed.

    Oherwise I don’t think the gentler approaches suggested by some will work.Too much diversions, too little time.

    Christopher Nolan had the misguided notion that it was possible for a collapsed civilization to build a spaceship reaching the outer space. Where would the resources come from? In fact if such facility existed it would have been looted by peoples living nearby who had no stake in civilization.

  10. This is an answer to this

    https://ourfiniteworld.com/2023/08/31/fossil-fuel-imports-are-already-constrained/comment-page-5/#comment-435313

    The peoples which were bred from around 1500 to 1914 were exceptional.

    The Solvay Conference had no one who came from countries outside of civilization, say, Russia, Canada or China. The lone Slav,Maria Salomea Skłodowska, was kind of a ‘gender quota’. I have some axes to grind on her but this is not the time for it.

    All the people the British isles raised were all destroyed at Flanders ,Somme and other battlefields which no one remembers now.

    I had fought with the late Dr. Robert Firth about this.

    One of the most harmful people ever in history was Brigadier Charles Fitzclarence, whom I call Chucky after the satanic doll in Child’s Play. Few people remember him but I say for the umpteenth time that Chucky prolonged the Great War by 4 years, and caused the deaths 9 million irreplacable cream of civilization, let alone about what happened after that, by stopping the Germans in Gheluvelt on Oct 28, 1914. If he and his 200/400(accounts differ) Worcestershires ran, the Channel ports would have been German and the war would have been over by end of 1914.

    Dr Firth said Chucky did his duty and I said Chucky f’ked up.

    I did a quick search of the surname Firth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firth_(surname)

    The Firths have few notable names prior to 1918. Most likely they were chavs, hailing from the midland. It seems if Chucky didn’t ‘do his duty’ (i.e. f’k up), Robert Firth would not have had the chance to earn a Ph.D from Oxford I think, but would have attended some school for some colonial administration and would have ended his days in some colonial school since in the old order people like Firth would not be exactly welcome in such institutions.

    So Firth had a reason to praise Chucky’s action since he made people like Firth to have a chance at Oxford since so many elites died (it also led to the admission of women in important universities as well), but however it might have changed Firth’s fate, it was a huge detriment against human progress.

    The inbred few were destined for something much greater.

    I watched oppenheimer. Whatever the messages were , all of the people involved (except the token minorities who had few lines) had a stake in civilization , so whatever your view on the nuclear weapon, they did deliver something.

    Countries like Canada and Russia had no stake in civilization. I pointed out a f’kup by the then-Canadian prime minister Arthur Meighen (although at that time ‘Canada’ was not a country but a ‘Dominion’ ,)

    https://ourfiniteworld.com/2023/08/31/fossil-fuel-imports-are-already-constrained/comment-page-5/#comment-435219

    and the Canadians soaked their underwear with urine and prevented a German breakthrough at Ypres in April 1915, which would have minimized the damages being caused.

    Canada’s recent wokeness might be a halfhearted attempt to atone for these f’ups the older Canadians caused.

    The attempt to reach Type I Civ is failing because of all the resources the third world consumed.

    And Spengler would not have had the reason to write his book if Chucky didn’t ‘do his duty’.

    • It seems like the period you were considering (1500-1914) was mostly the age of coal. This age began very early, as shown in this chart of early production in the UK.

      https://ourfiniteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/wrigleyfig1-e1346123057549.gif

      Even before that, Netherlands (and perhaps others) had learned to burn peat most for energy supplies.

      Perhaps the success of the people you mention came indirectly from an indirect connection to coal use.

    • JMS says:

      What you call the “cream of civilization” was not sacrificed by any brigadier (such a silly idea!) but by the British Establishment itself, in the interest of its political and financial elite, that is, the likes of C. Rhodes, N. Rothschild, Lord Esher, King Edward, etc, who did everything in their power to ensure that there was war with Germany.
      IOW, the demise of Anglo-Saxon civilization was largely its own doing, by a series of foolish shots in the foot, beginning with the provision of a ready-made industrial civilization to Japan and ending with the invitation to China to join the WTO.
      Read “Hidden History – The Secret Origins of the First World War” by Docherty and Macgregor

      • Great men create history but ordinary people create great f’kups.

        Chucky was one of the ordinary people who created a huge f’kup. Another who created a huge f’kup was the OSS agent who saved the life of a Nguyen Sinh Cung, who was a guerilla leader fighting the Japanese during the waning years of the war in Pacific.

        Cung is much better known as Ho Chi Minh, and the OSS agents cause the Vietnam War. I am sure they were probably thinking they were following orders, but what they did sent 55,000 Americans to the Vietnam Wall, let alone all the collateral damage they caused.

      • Jane says:

        Excellent book.
        I tend to agree with you.

        The Milner Group wanted and schemed to start the war against Germany.

        They had to wait until Queen Victoria died, as Wilhelm was her grandson, son of her eldest and dearest daughter. Who was half German. Of course, Victoria was also basically German.

        • Jane says:

          Balfour was part of the group. And the Balfour Declaration was definitely part of the program.

        • JMS says:

          The so called history of the last 150 years is mostly a collection of lies and ideological smokescreen, being secrecy so fundamental in politicas as in business or defense.
          Therefore if we want to know the history of the 20th century, best to avoid all the official sources and propagandists, and look instead into the works of real historians like Docherty and Macgregor, or the great Antony Sutton.

    • Foolish Fitz says:

      Kulm, all these people doing their duty, where ultimately following orders from the inbreds, so where does the blame ultimately lie?

      Spengler did write his book though. I asked because he’s mentioned in Friedrich Reck’s Diary of a Man in Despair and Reck goes from thinking him a genius to despising him as a fraud and sell out.

      “To repeat, he was truly the most humourless man I have ever met; in this respect, he is surpassed only by Herr Hitler and his Nazis,”

      Starts on Page 21 May 1936

      https://archive.org/details/DiaryOfAManInDespair/page/n21/mode/1up

      • Chucky did NOT follow orders. he did the f’kup himself, so only he and his 200/400 Worchestershires (nonwhite pop 5.6% and growing) are responsible for the greatest f’kup of the 20th century.

        Reck himself appears to have his own idiosyncrasy. For an old Prussian landowner like Reck, Spengler was a hillbilly, born in Harz mountains, which is kind of like the Ozarks for the Germans.

  11. Dennis L. says:

    Going through paperwork today, pile goes down, this showed up in email.

    https://products.fieldbee.com/en-promo-2023/

    Have followed them for a number of years, their main “plant” was in the Ukraine, marketing in Netherlands.

    Replacement parts could be an issue.

    Ukraine is a very talented country, many truly great dancers come from there as well as Russia.

    RTK is becoming opensource, farmer in Canada has a website along with GetHub. Could this be the reason why I am currently studying digital electronics?

    It is an exciting time to be alive, much change down here on earth and of course, Starship, blastoff for humanity; the best is yet to come, or we will muddle through.

    Dennis L.

    • Sergei Korolov was born in Zhitomir, Ukraine to so I agree that many talented people came from that country.

    • The link says, “A simple and affordable tractor GPS navigation and autosteering system for your farm.”

      I would point out that the folks who are maintaining the GPS system need to continue doing this, for this device to work. This link says that the US Department of Defense maintains 31 satellites at an altitude of approximately 11,000 miles for this purpose.

      If the US has problems in a war, will it be able to maintain the GPS system?

      • Dennis L. says:

        Damn, very good point.

        Well, the Amish around me do very well with 8 horsepower which self replicates.

        Dennis L.

        • David says:

          The 8 HP Amish system also delivers superb fertiliser straight out of the rear end.

          I’d been sceptical of horses. This was because of the amount of land they needed >~100 years ago when English agriculture was powered by horses, not tractors.

          However, we now know how to do almost no-till organic (or virtually organic) farming. See, e.g. Gabe Brown’s large-scale farming methods or Fukuoka’s in Japan 50 years ago (he farmed on a much smaller scale, with around 1-2 acres of rice and wheat, but very high yields).

          Without ploughing, but just with seed drilling, the amount of horsepower per hectare would be reduced. The horses would no longer need a quarter or a third of the food produced on the farm. Perhaps they’d be happy with one tenth of it? That leaves more for the humans.

  12. EIA has a figure for “World Production” of “Crude oil including lease condensate (Mb/d)”, for “May 2023”, of “80,153” — this is below their figure for all of 2022, of “80,249”.
    Their figure for “Feb 2023” of “81,850” may represent what might be called post-covid peak oil — maybe, down-we-go, from here (it takes EIA 3-4 months to post monthly world oil-production figures, but the results of fossil-fuel depletion don’t wait).
    I think they should say “80.153”, instead of “80,153”.

  13. Mike Jones says:

    the Fidelity study found, inflation has impacted retirees’ savings, and they don’t want to rely on just the fixed income that a pension and/or Social Security provide. But others, F&G wrote, were motivated to return to the office for the lifestyle it affords: Socializing, a renewed sense of purpose, and new social and professional connections.

    The “unretiring” trend has been a long time coming. Last spring, CNBC said the combined forces of a booming labor market, soaring inflation, and “fading Covid fears” were the main impetus for Boomers to dust off their business casual garb. Unretirement, which saw a similar jolt following the 2008 financial crises, “is emblematic [of] the labor market overall, which is seeing increasing labor force participation for a broad swath of workers,” Nick Bunker, Indeed’s North American economic research director, told CNBC.

    Gen Z is dragging their feet going back to offices they’ve barely known, but (retired) Boomers can’t wait
    Fidelity & Guaranty looked into retirees’ mindset and found a whopping 44% of them want to go back to work.
    BY JANE THIER
    September 08, 2023 1:51 PM EDT Fortune

    the unretirees themselves don’t feel that way. The top three emotions associated with returning to the workforce, per Paychex, were happy (60%), energized (50%) and excited (48%). Later down the list came resigned, anxious, frustrated and insecure.

    In a 2022 Joblist survey, the majority of unretirees (60%) said they were simply “looking for something to do.” That something could be more meaningful than it sound.

    And the SURVEY SAYS….JUST ABOUT ANYTHING WE WANT IT TO

    • Dennis L. says:

      I see younger people working from home, many of them also work a night job hopping tables at my pub.

      One whom I have gotten to know related his working from home and I suggested he might try returning to an office. An office has politics, and politics is how one advances to maximize the use of one’s skills and be paid for them.

      We are biology, we interact with people, four walls and a screen is not people.

      Sometimes in a foolish moment I consider returning to the practice of dentistry, I maintain a license. Would again work for a non profit, serving under served not out of a sense of altruism, but because being useful is a good feeling. Much modern, private practice is mostly selling people things for which there is little evidence of efficacy. I was lucky, saw this coming and could retire at 55, got my first retirement job at a bar; life is a strange voyage, no planning it, play the ball where it lies.

      Dennis L.

    • I have heard that mortality statistics very much favor retirees who are working (especially for men).

      I have also heard that there is a spike in deaths in the year or two after retirement for men.

      Married men also live quite a bit longer than unmarried men.

      All of these things have a selection bias, however.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Yes: Forty years or so ago UAW had statistics for men who retired from JD with good pension, benefits, etc. The average lifespan was two years plus retirement age.

        The most fun thing in life is being useful, the greatest feeling for me is working at something and then at a given time point having accomplished it. Rinse and repeat. It is not comfortable, it is not a retirement “community,” it is being useful, accomplishing things, being measured and when one is lucky, winning a few.

        There do seem to be exceptions, those who live > 100 years. They do not lead stressful jobs, but I suspect there is meaning all the same.

        Guess: women with “successful” careers will live shorter lives than moms who manage to go through life with one grumpy old man. Children are a connection with the future fabric of the universe.

        Dennis L.

        Dennis L.

    • Fred says:

      “retirees’ savings” Ho ho.

      Poof dey gone!

  14. Dennis L. says:

    Irony:

    On of those slide things on MSN:

    It claims DT is the only candidate whose family did not own slaves. The world is so rich in irony.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fun-fact-donald-trump-can-rightly-claim-to-be-the-only-living-president-whose-family-never/ss-AA1gttKl?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f4e19c4c14804cdcbe4d030583ab6dee&ei=9#image=4

    Dennis L.

  15. Dennis L. says:

    Always follow the money:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/swedish-gangs-use-fake-spotify-hits-affiliated-ganster-rappers-launder-money

    Have come to the conclusion that part, not all crime, is an effort to avoid others skimming off money for their pet ideas, i.e. taxes. Thus a constant battle, it never changes just is done to a different tune so to speak.

    Think of it this way: Altruistic Sweds, women of course, figure out how to make a perfect society and they invite some “real men” in who see it as a way to skim the money before the altruists can. A circle, the altruists can spend their time figuring out how to get paid to show the skimmers the sins of their ways thus validating their importance. Ah, girls always go for the “bad boy.” Now, that is one of the “rules” of the universe.

    Some things cannot be changed, there was a prayer about having the strength to change what I can and the wisdom to accept what I cannot.

    Dennis L.

  16. MikeJones says:

    Stellantis sees long road ahead for internal combustion engine cars
    By Giulio Piovaccari September 7, 20238
    MILAN, Sept 7 (Reuters) – Carmaker Stellantis (STLAM.MI) believes internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles could be on the road until 2050, making it necessary to contain their carbon emissions until they’re finally replaced by fully electric ones.

    The world’s third-largest carmaker by sales, whose brands include Fiat, Peugeot and Jeep, said this week tests it ran with Saudi oil giant Aramco (2222.SE) showed 24 types of internal combustion engines in European vehicles it produced since 2014 can use advanced e-fuels without modification.
    .Stellantis has reaffirmed its commitment to all new car sales in Europe being battery-electric by 2030, although the European Union has excluded cars that run on e-fuels from its 2035 deadline to phase out new carbon dioxide-emitting cars.

    Many of the new ICE vehicles being sold by Stellantis between now and 2029 would still be on the roads in more than two decades, Christian Mueller, Stellantis’ Senior Vice President, Propulsion Systems for the EMEA region said on Thursday.

    ….Many sceptics however point out e-fuels are not a viable alternative in the short time, due to their low availability and high costs.

    Aramco’s Transport Chief Technologist Amer Amer said production of e-fuels was expected to start in early 2025 from the group’s two demonstration plants in Saudi Arabia and Spain.

    Stellantis and Aramco executives said e-fuel availability was expected to increase and their prices to go down, also thanks to favourable taxation in the European Union, “in the future”, but without providing more specific predictions.

    Reporting by Giulio Piovaccari Editing by Keith Weir Reuters.com

    Another plan…file that under Foolish

  17. MikeJones says:

    America’s Farmers are Paying More for Crop Insurance—In Part Because of Weather Disasters
    country’s farmers took in a record $19 billion in insurance payments in 2022, many because of weather-related disasters, according to a new analysis that suggests climate change could stoke the cost of insuring the nation’s farmers and ranchers to unsustainable levels.

    The Environmental Working Group, which has for decades critically scrutinized the Federal Crop Insurance Program, published new research Thursday, finding that the cost of the program has soared from just under $3 billion in 2002 to just over $19 billion last year.

    The crop insurance program has become increasingly popular with farmers over the past 20 years as a way to protect themselves from drops in prices and weather-related disasters.

    Taxpayers subsidize about 60 percent of the premiums; farmers cover about 40 percent and pay deductibles on smaller losses.

    “We know that part of the increase in payouts comes from an increase in participation in the program, as well as crop prices,” said Anne Schechinger, an agricultural economist and director at EWG. “But we also know that payments for weather-related losses are also going up.”

    Cargill, the world’s largest agribusiness company—and the United States’ largest privately held company—is coming under yet more scrutiny from advocacy groups that have traced its business operations to recently cut tropical forests in Bolivia.

    • “Taxpayers subsidize about 60 percent of the premiums; farmers cover about 40 percent and pay deductibles on smaller losses.”

      It seems like any “insurance” program that governments are involved with are subsidy programs. They are funded either by the indirect benefit of cheap fossil fuel energy, or by added debt. They cannot continue without an economy that is supported by cheap fossil fuels. Flood insurance also used to be this way. (It may very well still be today; I am not close enough to the situation to know.) Property insurance in hurricane-prone areas are similar, except that the subsidies are from state regulations and state programs.

      • Dennis L. says:

        Crop insurance only covers costs. Its main benefit is to keep the farmer in business for the next growing season so there will be food in the future. Think RE taxes, insurance and of course payments to JD.

        I am not a fan of current food, one look at Sam’s convinces me of this; watched golf on the screen during my session Friday, golf, guts hanging over belts, pro golfers. Good grief.

        But, something is better than nothing. Farming is a trade and it takes time to be a journeyman. There is wisdom in keeping that talent on the farm; farming is a very low margin, tough job and I treasure those who til my land; when they mess up the land however my comment is “Next.”

        Dennis L.

  18. Ravi Uppal says:

    The latest post from Quark in Spain . This is unsustainable . The world’s oil production is sinking . Combine this with the post by Adonis ” Russia to curtail export of diesel ” . Diesel is king .
    https://futurocienciaficcionymatrix.blogspot.com/2023/09/esto-es-insostenible-y-no-hay-solucion.html?sc=1694266200025#c4083314361091474015

  19. Yoshua says:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5QW8g4WsAA6yTb?format=png&name=large

    Germany manufacturing PMI 39.1

    German manufacturing has continued to contract for a year and continues to contract as there’s no end to the energy crisis

    • Of course, 50.0 is the dividing line between expansion and contraction. A PMI for manufacturing of 39.1 is just terrible. Manufacturers need an abundant supply of cheap energy.

      In Germany, even the demand for services has a PMI below 50.0.

    • Fred says:

      Sanction your own energy supplies, then just in case let the pipelines that bring them be blown up.

      Dat ist gut. Jawohl!

      Next marschieren wir auf Moskau!

      Ein, zwei, drei
      Ein, zwei, drei.

  20. Fast Eddy says:

    Teachers Are Being Decimated by Aggressive and Metastatic Cancers After COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates

    By Dr. William Makis

    “Oncologists cannot continue to ignore this new phenomenon of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Induced Turbo Cancer, forever.”

    https://vigilantnews.com/post/teachers-are-being-decimated-by-aggressive-and-metastatic-cancers-after-covid-19-vaccine-mandates

    • drb753 says:

      De-ci-ma-ted baby! 34 cases out of millions of teachers! That’s what, 11%?

      • I sort of have the same response. There were a lot of these things going on, even without the vaccines. We just didn’t hear about it before. I would rather see some group comparisons of vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

        • Student says:

          Yes, we would need more data, make correct confrontations to say that with more evidence.
          But I can tell you that this summer I came back to the usual place of vacation I go every time in a nice town in the centre of Italy and this time it was full of episodes of people who had young sons and daughters (around 20 – 30) who experienced unexpected deaths, or serious health issues.
          People previously in good health who started suffering Alzheimer, people who had cancer, strokes, heart attacks.
          It is a place I’ve used to go since 30 years and this year was a catastrophe of serious health episodes among relatives and friends.
          People who talked about the fact that there may have been a correlation with the campaign of doses, have said so under their breath, in a corner, trying to avoid to be accused of being conspiracists and deniers….
          It still an argument that cannot be discussed freely.
          You can’t even imagine that some team of scientists would now set out to do these analyses.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          The vax injuries are an unwanted side effect of destroying immune systems…

          They are significant but not enough to alert the MOREONS.. not enough to toppled BAU. Who cares if excess deaths are up 20 or 30%…. no big deal… and it’s all about Long Covid anyway

          The purpose of the Rat Juice is to wreck the immune systems so that phase two of the binary poison will kill the Vaxxers.

          When immune systems are broken — of course opportunistic diseases will kill some of the MORE-ONS… after all… the Rat Juice is one of the most dangerous substances every manufactured… it’s no surprise that millions are being maimed and killed after they inject this stuff

          It is no surprise that many of the Vaxxers are struggling to beat back repetitive respiratory illnesses… they lack a functioning immune system…

          The Real Deal comes… when the custom designed virus… gets released.

  21. postkey says:

    “A plan to build the world’s first large-scale green steel plant just moved closer to becoming a reality. 
    H2 Green Steel, the company behind the groundbreaking project in Sweden, has raised a €1.5 billion ($1.6 billion) equity round. It’s a major step forward for the years-long effort to decarbonize the steelmaking industry, which is responsible for between 7 and 9 percent of human-caused global carbon emissions.”?
    https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/clean-industry/the-worlds-largest-low-carbon-steel-plant-moves-closer-to-completion?utm_campaign=canary&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=273426917&_hsenc=p2ANqtz–f_vgMln7JUDMTHceJDdyRWxflIdyT_rZHyl5FYrLBDRTykUQ3guk_REiC_d5TeIBr7CKxTsztdkRorKlcuNLH3cs1hA&utm_source=newsletter

    • Dennis L. says:

      Pray for Starship, 7-9% reduction in admissions sounds good to me, don’t mine iron, find a lump in space and do it all there.

      Earth is optimized for biology.

      Dennis L.

      • ivanislav says:

        Wake me up when the first smelter is operational in space.

        “But I need to be hopeful! Don’t rain on my parade! Someone else will save me!”

        • Dennis L. says:

          ivan,

          I will set a metaphorical alarm just for you, no problem.

          Dennis L.

        • Vern Baker says:

          Robotic Freaking Space Mirrors!

          Have swarms of them gyroscopically align so that they could heat up a metallic asteroid using solar radiation, and then start it spinning. Keep the heat on as it spins faster and faster, using infrared radiation to power gyroscopes on the asteroid. Eventually with heat and spin applied, the centripetal acceleration with form a disk by relative densities. However, this means greater surface area, so an insulation of some kind (silicon perhaps) will be required to keep the infrared radiation in check on the far side from the sun. Eventually the disk will separate into the variety of metals ready for processing… which then leads to the final phase of the venture: Robotic Freaking Space Freight Trains!

    • I will believe it when the plant can actually produce a significant amount of steel at a price that can easily compete with steel produced using reasonably priced coal.

      The extra cost of transit of inputs and outputs to and from Sweden may be a cost issue as well.

      • David says:

        The steel is predicted to cost at least 20% more than steel produced in blast furnaces, using coke. It seems to be over-optimistic to expect this to account for all world steel output by 2050.

        Also, direct reduction (using hydrogen) produces solid iron. This then has to be transferred to an electric arc furnace and melted (scrap iron can be added at this stage) to end up with steel.

  22. MG says:

    Based on the law of physics, the creation in our universe is the growth of the matter and the decline of the energy: the more we grow, the more we are cold.

    As we age, we fight with the calcification. Finally, only skeletons remain.

    Similarly, the plant turn from green matter into wood and later into carbon.

    The humans turn into stone, but the plants are completely recyclable, the do not have this supporting calcium structure.

    The humans grow towards the dead matter.
    The plants are completely recycled.

    • drb753 says:

      I doubt that matter is growing. What is the point of this post? Recycle western subculture?

      • MG says:

        What are the humans and what makes them different from other species.

        The hardest stone are their teeth which they use for plant crushing.

    • Dennis L. says:

      MG,

      Space is expanding, it seems to defy entropy, we don’t know everything.

      Not sure why nihilism is so prevalent in man.

      Dennis L.

    • I thought that bones (and egg shells) were eventually recycled; it just took longer.

      I will admit that a lot of dinosaur bones have been found, but I was under the impression that “Ashes to ashes, dust to dust” applies to the whole body, not just the part excluding the bones.

      How would calcium and other minerals get back in the soil otherwise? Wouldn’t the earth’s topsoil end up with a huge amount of bones of long-deceased humans and other animals?

  23. Fast Eddy says:

    She looks dreadful… it’s that VAIDS thing https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/51108

  24. Adonis says:

    Approximately 18 years ago I was reading a conspiracy theory magazine that I regularly purchased and that is when i came across an interesting article which led me to explore the theory of peak oil and eventually discover the writings of Gail Tyverberg I will paste the article which caused this new interest in my life enjoy finite worlders, Energy

    An American Bilderberger expressed concern over the sky-rocketing price of oil. One oil industry insider at the meeting remarked that growth is not possible without energy and that according to all indicators, world’s energy supply is coming to an end much faster than the world leaders have anticipated. According to sources, Bilderbergers estimate the extractable world’s oil supply to be at a maximum of 35 years under current economic development and population. However, one of the representatives of an oil cartel remarked that we must factor into the equation, both the population explosion and economic growth and demand for oil in China and India. Under the revised conditions, there is apparently only enough oil to last for 20 years. No oil spells the end of the world’s financial system. So much has already been acknowledged by The Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times, two periodicals who are regularly present at the annual Bilderberg conference.

    Conclusion: Expect a severe downturn in the world’s economy over the next two years as Bilderbergers try to safeguard the remaining oil supply by taking money out of people’s hands. In a recession or, at worst, a depression, the population will be forced to dramatically cut down their spending habits, thus ensuring a longer supply of oil to the world’s rich as they try to figure out what to do.

    During the afternoon cocktail, European Bilderberger noted that there is no plausible alternative to hydrocarbon energy. One American insider stated that currently the world uses between four and six barrels of oil for every new barrel it finds and that the prospects for a short term break through are slim, at best.

    Someone asked for an estimate to the world´s accessible conventional oil supply. The amount was quoted at approximately one trillion barrels. As a side note of interest, the planet consumes a billion barrels of oil every 11.5 days.

    Another Bilderberger asked about hydrogen alternative to the oil supply. The US government official agreed gloomily that hydrogen salvation to the world´s eminent energy crisis is a fantasy.

    This confirms public statement made in 2003 by HIS, the world´s most respected consulting firm cataloguing oil reserved and discoveries that for the first time since the 1920s there was not a single discovery of an oil field in excess of 500 million barrels.

    The oil industry at the 2005 Bilderberg conference was represented by John Browne, BP´s Chief Executive Officer, John Kerr, Director Royal Dutch Shell, Peter D. Sutherland, BP Chairman and Jeroen van der Veer, Chairman Committee of Managing Directors Royal Dutch Shell.

    It should be remembered that in late 2003, oil giant Royal Dutch Shell, announced that it had overstated its reserved by as much as 20 percent. Queen Beatrix of Holland, Royal Dutch Shell´s principal shareholder is a full fledged member of the Bilderbergers. Her father, prince Bernhard was one of the founders of the group back in 1954. The Los Angeles Times reported that “For petroleum firms, reserves amount to nothing less that ´the value of the company´. In fact, Shell cut its reserve estimates not once, but three times, prompting the resignation of its co-chairman. At Rottach-Egern, in May 2005, industry’s top executives tried to figure out how to keep the truth about diminishing oil reserves from reaching the public. Public knowledge of the diminishing reserved directly translates into lower share prices, which could destroy financial markets, leading to a collapse of the world economy.
    EU referendum in France

    • I think I found a link to the article you are talking about:

      https://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2005/Bilderberg2005.shtml

    • Dennis L. says:

      Okay, I have been to various ASPO meetings, got it, etc. Slightly bragging, Lisbon was best, a night on the Tagus, sipping wine and cheese with Colin and others. The only way to discuss the end of the world.

      Simple question: Why are there so many hydrocarbons on say Titan?

      Per NASA Titan has hundreds of times more hydrocarbons than earth.

      https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/media/cassini-20080213.html

      There is Uranus, Neptune and probably Jupiter. Where are all the metaphorical dinosaurs?

      The earth’s core is iron, not rust, er. iron ore.

      Build a thousand Starships, most/all of them robotic, scoop up the rocket fuel on Titan, entropy be damned. Pollute freely and willingly, feed the junk to Jupiter. Manufacture robotically in space, mine space, suck the very life juice out of say Titan and burn it moving stuff from place to place with no emission controls.

      Frustration: this site has many very brilliant people who are absolutely certain it is over and humans are a problem for earth. We are why earth exists, it is our home and was built for us. Everything surrounds us, there are no shortages and even the locations are ideal. We mine by first digging a hole and then dragging stuff out of a gravity well killing our very spaceship with pollution.

      God, the fabric of the universe, maybe has closed a door, but HE is opening hundreds of windows. God, the fabric of the universe is the ultimate conspirator and to date things have worked very well and in terms of universe time, very rapidly.

      Think positively, perhaps the moron who dreamed up the Covid virus is now jabbing him/herself monthly; poetic justice. Most of us are going to do fine and my bet is next year time there will be more of us than today.

      So, my newest refrain, key Duane Eddy, “Forty Miles of Bad Road.” This too shall pass.

      Dennis L.

      • Foolish Fitz says:

        “We are why earth exists”

        I disagree, we’re just another step in the genetic game, that we have no understanding of(an unimpressive miniscule part of the fabric). Anyway your post made me think of this, from the young man in Sri Lanka, that Ravi introduced us to.

        “Why would the infinite universe fit into the scratches of apes, based on our guttural vocalizations?”

        It’s a fair question. Broca’s area and the ability to lie to ourselves don’t look that special.

        “Religion is able to represent the infinite in the finite, which is enough of a miracle for me.”

        I like that, but the miracle looks a lot like delusion. Much like the science.

        “There’s no inherent wisdom in science, just details that always end up in the hands of arsonists.”

        “Modern miracles have caused a mass extinction in a few short centuries. What’s the point? They’ve painted a technically perfect picture… of the world on fire. This is the arrogance of science, obsessed with details and completely missing the plot.”

        https://indi.ca/the-universe-is-really-telling-you-something/

  25. Adonis says:

    Russia Set To Slash Diesel Exports In September
    By Tsvetana Paraskova – Sep 08, 2023, 7:26 AM CDT

    Amid refinery maintenance and rising domestic fuel prices, Russia is set to cut its diesel exports from its ports on the Baltic and Black Seas by nearly 25% in September compared to the export plans for August, Bloomberg reported on Friday, quoting industry data it had seen.

    The shipments of diesel out of Russia’s western ports, including some exports from Belarus, are planned at 1.874 million tons in September, or 466,000 barrels per day (bpd), down from about 600,000 bpd planned for August exports, according to Bloomberg’s calculations.
    The plan for diesel exports in September lays out the lowest shipments since May this year when spring refinery maintenance was in place.

    Now the autumn refinery maintenance is also slashing diesel exports out of Russia.

    The primary oil refining capacity that will be offline in Russia is set to soar by 44% in September compared to August amid seasonal maintenance, according to Reuters estimates based on data from industry sources.

    As much as 4.635 million metric tons of Russia’s refining capacity is expected to be offline this month, industry sources have told Reuters.
    Russia’s authorities are also recommending refineries curb exports and sell more fuel domestically to meet local demand, but the recommendation is not legally binding, according to Bloomberg.

    Lower diesel shipments overseas would mean lower export revenues for Russia, which continues to earn billions of U.S. dollars each month from exports of crude and products.

    Russia’s crude oil and refined products exports remained steady at some 7.3 million bpd in July, while higher oil prices and narrower price differentials for Russian crude pushed Moscow’s revenues higher compared to June, according to estimates by the International Energy Agency (IEA) in its market report in August. Russia’s export revenues, at $15.3 billion in July, rose by $2.5 billion from June, but they were $4.1 billion lower compared to July 2022, the agency’s estimates showed.

    By Tsvetana Paraskova for Oilprice.com

    • drb753 says:

      Two days ago I reported going from 56.30 to 61.90 in a month. Yesterday it was 62.90. Higher prices for bulk buyers (I paid 65 instead of 61.90). I think the war is burning a lot of diesel, and the production cuts do not help. It is ultimately the destiny of Russia to use all diesel internally.

      • I can believe that ultimately Russia will eventually use all of its diesel. The war with Ukraine is counterproductive in the sense that it gets Russia to use more of its diesel supply to fight the war, leaving less for exports. Of course, the Ukraine side will also need diesel to fight its side of the war, further putting stress on the world’s diesel supply.

        Who thought through this war? If it turns out to be a “Hotel California” kind of war, the war will diminish the world’s diesel supplies available for other purposes.

  26. From an opinion article in the WSJ:
    Texas Suffers a Solar and Wind Power ‘Drought’
    The Lone Star State barely avoids blackouts, thanks to natural gas.

    Texans conserved enough power Wednesday to prevent blackouts, but they were asked again Thursday to use less power in the evening—when many come home from work and want to crank up the AC. Last month Ercot issued eight emergency alerts to conserve power.

    Ercot says Texas set a new September record for peak demand on Wednesday, which follows 10 records this summer. Don’t blame a warming climate. The problem is that Texas’s booming population and economy have caused electricity demand to grow faster than the reliable supply—emphasis on the reliable.

    The state’s refineries, manufacturing plants and data centers need huge amounts of power. Texas produces 10 times as much solar power as it did five years ago. An estimated 7.7 gigawatts of solar power capacity will be installed this year—about 9% of the state’s peak demand on Wednesday. Renewables at times can generate 40% of the state’s power.

    But neither solar nor wind provides reliable power around the clock. Solar predictably wanes during the late afternoon, and the state doesn’t have anywhere close to enough large-scale batteries to make up the shortfall. So as usual Texas on Wednesday leaned on natural-gas plants to ramp up, though this still wasn’t enough.

    The Legislature is asking voters in November to approve a special fund to issue low-interest loans and grants for building more backup power sources—namely, gas plants. So now Texas taxpayers are being asked to subsidize gas power to back up solar and wind that are heavily subsidized by U.S. taxpayers.

    If one source of electricity is subsidized, the other ones must be as well. This doesn’t work for long.

  27. Ed says:

    I do not care for the terms illegal, immigrant, invader. I like new settler.

    Here in NY state the mayor of NYC said mean things about the new settlers. Now the governor of the state is calling an emergency meeting of the state legislature to address the woke sin. I expect the state will raise taxes on upstate NY to pay the mayor to shut his mouth.

    I embrace the new residence of New York. I expect they are not woke and will be willing to protect themselves. Revolution by extinction of the mind/culture broken and replacement with humans with courage with backbone.

    • Ed says:

      The dead and dying cities of the north can not repopulated by the uneducated masses of Africa, Asia, and South America. Will they be used as the new fighting stock for TPTB?

      Germany thinks they will staff a new German tech renaissance and prosperity with their new residence.

      The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

    • Interesting perspective!

    • Dennis L. says:

      Agree:

      Politically it will be interesting to watch. They will be political, they are a group and they have made great effort to be here.

      Dennis L.

  28. Fast Eddy says:

    The majestic Mr Hoolio:

    https://i.postimg.cc/Y266yDtc/HOOLIO.jpg

    • Replenish says:

      Handsome fellow! More Hoolio! Give our friend Padooch a scratchie!

      • Fast Eddy says:

        I usually inform guests in our rental cottage that in addition to looking great Hoolio will keep them safe from the killer rabbits that have tasted human flesh and are on the prowl for more — ‘specially Plough Hog flesh (they enjoy the fat content).

  29. Fast Eddy says:

    Endotoxin in Jabs causes Pulmonary Hypertension

    High Fatality rate with this progressive jab induced Heart damage might account for a significant part our current surge in Excess Deaths worldwide

    https://geoffpain.substack.com/p/endotoxin-in-jabs-causes-pulmonary

  30. houtskool says:

    As my grandmother in law used to say, reading from the card hanging from her left big toe during her funeral; its about the flow, stop staring at me.

  31. Keith Henson says:

    From the latest issue of Science. I think it is rather supportive of Gail’s views.

    “These simulations do not address the much-debated complications of relying for a steady stream of electricity on wind and solar power sources, which are subject to the whims of weather and deliver power intermittently. That remains a concern, but it doesn’t prevent new projects from coming online. Interconnection studies are focused on a different question: Will the projects generate too much power, and in the wrong places, testing the limits of what power lines can handle before they start to melt? To avoid such damaging congestion, grid operators require renewable power producers to pay up front for expensive transmission upgrades. But many can’t afford those improvements and must abandon their plans.

    “Interconnection is becoming one of the leading barriers to bringing projects online,” says Joe Rand, a researcher at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory who tracks projects in the interconnection queue.

    snip

    “For the moment, the interconnection simulations, for all their flaws, are actually revealing a fundamental truth. The U.S.’s energy transition will demand a far more ambitious expansion of electricity infrastructure than anyone, so far, has been willing to embrace.

    • houtskool says:

      This goes for illegals too, dear Keith. Interconnection always makes me horny.

    • Keith Henson says:

      Hour after I posted, Science put up the article. It’s kind of long, but Gail or those interested in the main OFW topic might want to read it.

      https://www.science.org/content/article/hidden-digital-roadblock-keeping-green-electricity-u-s-grid

      • This article has to do with how modeling should simulate the maximum output of wind and solar in an area, so as to not overload the grid.

        According to the article

        In 2021, they convinced SPP to drop an assumption that all wind and solar farms were simultaneously generating maximum power. Apart from being highly unlikely, this assumption produced simulations with so much transmission congestion that no new wind or solar proposals could even be considered in some areas. Now, SPP’s simulations assume that previously approved wind and solar plants generate anywhere from zero to 75% of their capacity, depending on the exact scenario.

        Also

        Critics of the models, however, want revisions to go even further. Vander Vorst, for example, says interconnection studies should consider other ways to avoid overloaded power lines, apart from building new ones.

        In real life, grid managers do this routinely, easing congestion on power lines by ordering some power plants to throttle down, while increasing power generation elsewhere on the grid to compensate. If new wind or solar farms create such problems frequently, Vander Vorst says, it’s a sign that new transmission lines really are needed. But if it only happens rarely, the grid’s gatekeepers could allow new projects to interconnect and just manage those problems if they occur.

        Texas already uses a version of this system. Solar and wind projects there face relatively few obstacles to interconnection. They do, however, face more financial risks once connected. If many projects connect to the grid in the same area, they can end up competing with each other for limited space on the transmission system, limiting the amount of power they can sell.

        There is a real problem with wind and solar farms generating negative rates for all other producers, driving them out of business. They also all cannot connect to the grid themselves. I think that giving wind and solar “priority” on the grid, and setting rates for others based on what is left is an incredibly bad idea. The models cannot simulate what other generation is driven off of the grid because of low profits.

        It seems to me that we need to stop adding wind and solar to the grid. The ridiculous pricing scheme makes electricity prices too low for all producers.

        • Ed says:

          The modeller need to use Monte Carlo simulations that take into account the statistical variation of everything. The variation of wind, sun, temperature, usage, availability of nuclear, availability of every power source. The modelling has to model the whole system even if the system need that old coal plant for 10 days a year. We do this in NY state maintain oil burning electric plants for use a few days per year with the full staff on payroll 365.

          • Ed says:

            To much power is not a problem wind turbines can be disconnected by a simple command. PV can be disconnected by a simple command. The only thing that can not be quickly disconnected is nuclear. If one feels the need to disconnect a nuke fast a dummy load can be added to the system.

            With a statistical simulation we can know how much of the PV or wind will be wasted due to lack of sufficient transmission lines. We can learn how much additional transmission needs to be added to lower the wastage to a desired level. We can see the trade-off of cost versus wasted power.

          • The modelers really cannot model enough.

            A big problem is the price subsidies needed to run a system where wind and solar are given grid priority.

            • Ed says:

              It can be modeled they just do not want to know the answer.

            • That is probably the real issue.

            • Keith Henson says:

              This is an example of too much energy for the grid to absorb. There is no lack of energy. If what we are seeing around Tabby’s star is a power collector, they are collecting something like 1.5 million times the total energy humans use. That’s in spite of the collector being way out from the star in an 18 year orbit.

  32. Mike Jones says:

    Proof Electric Cars are a Scam
    Electric car review. New Study Shows Electric Cars Cost More to Drive Than Gasoline Cars, DIY and car review Scotty Kilmer. Worst electric car to buy. Buying a new electric car. Proof Electric Cars are a Scam. Should I buy an electric car. Everyone Who Just Bought an Electric Cars is Screwed. Why not to buy a electric car. The truth about owning an electric car. Car advice. DIY car repair with Scotty Kilmer, an auto mechanic for the last 55 years.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GAmkBmemYjo
    There is a charging station at our shopping center. I think there are 8 charging stations. The homeless are always cutting the lines off to steal the copper out of the plugs.😅

    • I have a difficult time believing that the US and Europe will be able to generate enough electricity for electric vehicles. Our electricity generation has been flat or declining for many years. What do we burn?

      Putting in the charging stations is another issue. Who wants to stand around outside by a charging station for a long period (40 minutes or an hour). You want something to do. And who guards the expensive property involved?

      EVs are toys for the rich who want to show off, as far as I can see. They are perhaps OK as a second, “just in case,” for families that own more than one car and have extra money to spend. But they have to be driven regularly and recharged, hopefully at home.

    • This is a zero hedge article about a proposed law in California:

      https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/power-vacuum-how-state-wants-suck-electricity-suv-you-are-required-buy

      Power Vacuum: How The State Wants To Suck Electricity From The SUV You Are Required To Buy

      A literal power vacuum – that’s what California Senate Bill 233 proposes.

      And what is to be sucked? Your electric car.

      The bill – which has passed the Senate and is now winding its way through the Assembly – states that all new electric vehicles to be sold in California after 2030 be “bidirectional.”

      Because the state has decided to essentially go all electric without having the ability to actually provide enough electricity, the climate warriors have gotten a bit creative and now see the millions of electric vehicles (EVs) in the state as tiny batteries to make up for their incompetence. . .

      The bill, however, is only the first step in the process of being able to drain your EV, as the technology to get the electricity back onto the grid does not actually exist. . .

      The idea becomes even more absurd when one considers that shortly after announcing all new vehicles sold in the state by 2035 must be electric, the state asked the public to not charge their EVs after work because the grid couldn’t handle it.

      • Ed says:

        The batteries have a limited number of charging cycles before needing to be replaced. Will the state pay the owner for the decreased life of his/her batteries?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        No need to worry — this is not going to happen. One can make all sorts of promises when one knows everyone will soon be dead

  33. halfvard says:

    I’m confused, Dennis said that Starship is going perfectly than that Musk planned all the issues!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/08/faa-starship-grounded-corrective-action.html

    • According to the article:

      In an emailed statement, the agency said a final report “cites multiple root causes of the April 20, 2023, mishap and 63 corrective actions SpaceX must take to prevent mishap reoccurrence.”

      The corrective actions include: “redesigns of vehicle hardware to prevent leaks and fires, redesign of the launch pad to increase its robustness, incorporation of additional reviews in the design process, additional analysis and testing of safety critical systems and components including the Autonomous Flight Safety System, and the application of additional change control practices.”

      Sounds like the start of a war with the FAA.

      • Ed says:

        Sounds like the federal government will be embarrassed by Elon’s successes, so Space X will be mandated to be just like NASA with massive bureaucracy and slow slow progress. Space progress will have to go to China and Russia.

  34. Agamemnon says:

    The big joke is “do the opposite “ of the expert.

    Hard to fathom cooling happens rather than global warming but here are sunspot predictions (zero in the 2030s) fromNOAA:

    https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/predicted-sunspot-number-and-radio-flux

    This is more evidence we’re headed into the grand solar minimum
    At the same time we’ll be ramping up solar panels .

    Oh God hath a sense of humor.

    • Keith Henson says:

      The last solar minimum was something like half a percent. Solar PV is not going to be affected.

    • Zemi says:

      Interesting. We mostly avoided excess heat here in London for most of this summer, compared to last summer, but now suddenly we’re into the early 30s (degrees) in September, which is unheard of. I don’t like it at all. 16 to 22 °C suits me best, then I have more energy and can think straight. Right now I’m reminded of that little Monty Python clip, “This is getting SILLY!”

      So really I will have to wait till 2027 for relief from these excessively hot summers. Shame. I can’t really imagine myself living beyond 2028, anyway. My shelf life is nearing its end, I think.

      • Ed says:

        Same here in NY. Never turned on the air conditioner. Now a week into September we have the air conditioner on. It is almost like the weather changes year by year. OMG!

        • Zemi says:

          Same for you, then. Weird seasons. They should be made illegal. I’ve a good mind to sue Mr. God for every penny he’s got.

      • Yorchichan says:

        “suddenly we’re into the early 30s (degrees) in September, which is unheard of”

        It’s been unusually hot for the time of year in the UK, but this is not unheard of:

        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66743788

        From the BBC article:

        “A further record could also be broken this week for the greatest number of September days where temperatures have reached 30C or more in the UK. The current record of five was set in 1911.

        The month’s hottest recorded day was 35.6C in Bawtry, South Yorkshire, in 1906.”

        So, despite all the CO2 we’ve pumped into the atmosphere since 1906, we’ve still not managed to break the record September temperature set in that year.

        • Zemi says:

          Yes, well, unheard of in living memory, Mr. Clever Clogs Yorchichan. 😉

          Or perhaps I’m just not as old as you. 🙂

        • Zemi says:

          So what percentage of the atmosphere is constituted of carbon dioxide ? I’ve read 0.4 and 0.04. Which is it? Either way, surely it can’t make THAT much difference?

          • Keith Henson says:

            “surely it can’t make THAT much difference?”

            Unfortunately it can. CO2 is called a greenhouse gas for a good reason. The reason greenhouses are so hot is that the light that comes is absorbed and the heat can’t get out because the glass stops the inferred.

            Same thing happens on a global scale with the CO2 in the air. Sunlight comes in just fine, but the IR that used to radiate into space is blocked by the CO2. Total human energy use is around 15 TW. The solar heat trapped by the CO2 is about 400 TW.

            Methane is even worse. If you see a gas inspector running around with a thermal viewer, the inspector is looking for clouds of IR blocking methane leaking out of meters and pipes.

            However, there is a solution to methane. We could add 5 genes from methane eating organisms to the US corn crop. Strange as it may seem, the US corn crop filters the whole atmosphere every couple of years. If you don’t care for GMO corn, the project could be limited to the 40% of the crop grown for making alcohol for fuel.

            Credit where due, this methane solution wasn’t my idea, it come from Dr. Stuart Strand of the U of Washington. I heard his talk in 2009 at a government sponsored conference. (I talked about power satellites at that conference.)

            There is a proposal to radiate the heat above most of the blocking CO2. It is slightly related to the last paper I wrote for The Oil Drum. But I am under an NDA and should not talk about it yet.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Same thing happens on a global scale with the CO2 in the air.

              You think so?

              Greenhouses work by preventing convection. Essentially, sunshine warms the ground, the the ground warms the air, the warm air tries to rise, but the greenhouse glass prevents it from rising.

              Please explain how CO2 prevents convection? Please tell us how CO2 prevents warm air from rising.

            • Keith Henson says:

              “You think so?”

              Yes.

              “Greenhouses work”

              If we did not have IR blocking gas in the atmosphere, the Earth would be a frozen snowball. It is not hard to work the math behind this statement if you accept https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan%E2%80%93Boltzmann_law. If you don’t, there is no point in trying to show you.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Keith, I understand that the Stefan-Boltzmann law is relevant in this context because it describes how re-emitted infrared radiation is related to the temperature of the objects inside a space such as a greenhouse.

              You are not dealing with a total ignoramus like Norman here. But most people—even most people reading OFW— have never heard of the Stefan-Boltzman law or at least couldn’t tell one end of it from the other.

              How would you explain to them in words that the average reader of these comments—not someone like Norman, of course—that would be too onerous a task—but to a reader of average intelligence, your implication that preventing convection plays no role in the operation of a greenhouse.

              Because all you have really done is dodged this very simple and straightforward question.

              Now, if you made a mistake when you penned the statement

              CO2 is called a greenhouse gas for a good reason. The reason greenhouses are so hot is that the light that comes is absorbed and the heat can’t get out because the glass stops the inferred.

              Same thing happens on a global scale with the CO2 in the air. Sunlight comes in just fine, but the IR that used to radiate into space is blocked by the CO2.

              Now might be a good time to refine or recant that statement.

              The reason greenhouses are so hot is that the light that comes is absorbed and the heat can’t get out is not because the glass stops the inferred. It is primarily because the glass stops convection.

              Even with the glass in place, convection is still a major factor in heat loss. Although in this case, most of the heat in the greenhouse is lost through conduction, which is the transfer or flow of heat through the glazing material.

              If there was no sealed glazing to prevent convection, the greenhouse would loose heat so rapidly as to be useless as anything but a windbreak.

              To illustrate the point from another angle. the roof of a house may be totally opaque to radiation and the house may be lit by a fire to keep it warm, but if all the doors and windows are left open, the house will loose heat to its surroundings rapidly due to convection and the exchange of air.

              I’ll leave it there for now. Because if you don’t understand that simple point, which I’m sure even Norman gets, there is no point in trying to show you.

            • Keith Henson says:

              “The reason greenhouses are so hot is that the light that comes is absorbed and the heat can’t get out is not because the glass stops the inferred. It is primarily because the glass stops convection.”

              On a planetary scale, convection does not apply. If you consider the radiation balance, the only way for heat to get out is radiation.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect

              “The Earth’s average surface temperature would be about −18 °C (−0.4 °F) without the greenhouse effect,[1][2] compared to Earth’s 20th century average of about 14 °C (57 °F),”

              Greenhouse effect by the atmosphere is not all bad. If we did not have it, we would be freezing our butts off.

            • Tim Groves says:

              On a planetary scale, convection does not apply. If you consider the radiation balance, the only way for heat to get out is radiation.

              That’s because a planet is not a greenhouse. Which is what I’ve been trying to explain to you all along but it’s just been bouncing off that thick egg-headed skull of yours.

              A PLANET IS NOT A GREENHOUSE.

              Why?

              Because a greenhouse keeps its air warm mainly by minimizing the movement of warm air to the outside and its replacement by cooler air.

              Now, if you don’t agree with this, just try growing plants in a greenhouse without any walls, so that the outside air and the inside air can mix freely.

              The planet keeps its air warm mainly by . . . . ?

              If you think about this, in about 30 seconds you should realize that the planet doesn’t keep its air warm. The lower atmosphere alone at any one time includes air at temperatures of up to +60ºC and down to -90ºC. The upper atmosphere experiences even greater extremes.

              By contrast, an average greenhouse has a fairly uniform temperature usually varying by no more than a few degrees centigrade at any one time. Indeed, greenhouses are designed to provide such a mild environment.

              IF THE PLANET WAS A GREENHOUSE, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR US TO BUILD GREENHOUSES.

              Got it?

            • IF THE PLANET WAS A GREENHOUSE, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR US TO BUILD GREENHOUSES.

              Got it?

              sometimes tim, your brand of logic defies all logic.

            • Tim Groves says:

              “The Earth’s average surface temperature would be about −18 °C (−0.4 °F) without the greenhouse effect,[1][2] compared to Earth’s 20th century average of about 14 °C (57 °F),”

              Not every atmospheric physicist agrees with this. Some have argued that the average surface temperature depends more on the thickness of the atmosphere than on its composition.

              The above-quoted Wikipedia factoid implies that the Earth with an atmosphere equivalent to its current thickness but composed entirely of nitrogen and oxygen would have the same temperature as if it had no atmosphere at all—about the same temperature as the moon. But this is supposition, not established fact.

              Not having a spare Earth to tinker with, we haven’t performed the necessary experiments to find out.

            • Keith Henson says:

              “A PLANET IS NOT A GREENHOUSE”

              I don’t think I have ever said anything that could be interpreted as saying that about a planet.

              But let us see if I can make it clear enough to gork. Have you ever had a fireplace with glass doors? In front of the fireplace (with a roaring fire) you can feel a *lot* of heat. Now close the doors and you feel a lot less heat. The glass blocks some of the heat radiation (IR) and the radiation is reflected back into the fireplace.

              Plastic (polyethylene) is almost transparent to IR. When I was a kid I made a greenhouse out of plastic. It didn’t get very warm in spite of the plastic keeping the wind out and the convection of hot air currents in.

              Now for sure keeping the hot air inside is one of the functions of the glass in a greenhouse. But the glass also blocks IR by reflecting the IR back inside just like the fireplace.

              You are correct about the thickness of air being a factor. If you go up 15 or 20 km, you are above most of the IR blocking atmosphere. Pure oxygen and nitrogen are close to IR transparent so your point about the Earth being like the moon with pure gasses is correct

              “NO NEED FOR US TO BUILD GREENHOUSES.”

              Mostly we don’t because the greenhouse gases help keep the heat in and plants do fine in an open field.

              BTW, there are gases better at keeping heat in than CO2 or methane. Several have been proposed to warm up Mars.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Keith, you keep making valid points that I’m already aware of while ignoring the points I am making.

              Norman seems to get it perfectly, as he at least noted my point while mocking it.

              Let me try a fresh angle.

              The idea that planet Earth is a greenhouse is a metaphor. Because the way this planet’s atmosphere holds heat and warms and cools in is some respects similar to how the atmosphere inside a greenhouse holds heat and warms and cools.

              IN SOME RESPECTS

              SIMILAR TO

              BUT

              NOT THE SAME AS

              NOT IDENTICAL TO

              The history of knowledge becoming corrupted and degraded as it passes from the knowledgable to the common people is replete with instances of metaphors that were chosen to illustrate specific points being taking out of context and replaced by literal interpretations.

              THE UNIVERSE IS NOT AN EGG.

              THE MILKY WAY IS NOT A RIVER MADE OF MILK.

              THE ATOM IS NOT A SOLAR SYSTEM.

              THE HUMAN BRAIN IS NOT A COMPUTER OR A TELEPHONE EXCHANGE.

              NEW YORK IS NOT A BIG APPLE.

              AND THE EARTH IS NOT A GIANT GREENHOUSE.

            • Keith Henson says:

              “The idea that planet Earth is a greenhouse is a metaphor. Because the way this planet’s atmosphere holds heat and warms and cools in is some respects similar to how the atmosphere inside a greenhouse holds heat and warms and cools.”

              Metaphor or analogy, I agree with what you say here. Don’t blame me for the term “greenhouse gases” it was probably used in the science literature before I was born by someone who wondered why the Earth was not cold enough to freeze the brass off a bald monkey.

              IR blocking gases in the atmosphere are a really good, otherwise it would be that cold.

              On the other hand, you can have too much of a good thing. That’s the current problem. But there are solutions, such as methane eating corn.

        • Foolish Fitz says:

          Important point Yorchichan. From what I see it appears that the seasons are moving. Everything comes later and I’ve been noticing this for the last 5-10 years. Lost all my seedlings in May on two occasions to hail that settled(invariably within 24hrs of planting out). I now get berries(small secondary crop)and tomatoes growing into November. It’s the same with my fishing. From mid-late November the riverbank would nearly always have had a frost covering in the mornings, but now I’m lucky to see that by early-mid January.

          Have others noticed this and do the historical late highs fit into an overall shift of seasons(decade or three), or merely stand alone years?

          • Zemi says:

            It seems to me that the gardening needs to be done in March now, whereas before nothing really grew until April. The really warm temperatures used to be over by around 4th August a few years ago, then shifted to 12th to 15th at the latest, then latterly to 24th August at the latest. Now they’re into September, yet despite these temperatures I found fallen ripe conkers in the park 2 or 3 days ago, as though autumn is continuing apace, despite the heat.

          • Tim Groves says:

            It seems to me that the seasons still come every year, but sometime the come a bit early and sometimes they come a bit late, sometimes we have relatively hot summers and cold winters and sometimes with don’t. Some times we have wet years and sometimes we have dry ones.

            All my life the seasons have come once a year.

            I also recall that there is a custom in the US to dig up a groundhog and checking whether he can see his own shadow as a method of determining whether spring will come early or late.

            The custom can be traced back to early European traditions, particularly those of Germanic origins, and it has been carried out in various forms for centuries. The well-known modern version of Groundhog Day is most closely associated with the town of Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania in the United States.

            The existence of the custom is evidence that people were concerned about the timing of the seasons long before the ridiculous Al Gore came along and invented the Internet.

            • Foolish Fitz says:

              Yes Tim, there is a variance in the timing, but overall I think I’m witnessing a shift. The summer high and winter low appear to me to have moved a month or so. Nothing to do with Gore’s profit vehicle, just my observations. I’d be more inclined to consider solar activity, pole shifts, or even that I’m mistaken(but not as much as Gore).

            • Tim Groves says:

              Summer heat and and winter cold coming early or late is probably due in part to the variability of the distribution of ocean heat. It wouldn’t require a pole shift.

              For what it’s worth, I’ve noticed summer has been hotter than usual lingered longer than usual this year in Japan.

              The start of “the hot season” here is marked by the end of the monsoon, which can come anytime from the beginning of July to the beginning of August, and usually falls between them.

              During summer, we usually enveloped by big summer high-pressure systems that bring several days or sometimes several weeks of hot but humid sunny weather, interspersed by occasional afternoon storms and even more occasional typhoons. The typhoons come at a rate about one a week—although sometimes, like London busses, three come along together—and can head either to China, Korea, Japan, or remain and peter out in the Pacific.

              During winter, some years it’s like the freezer door is left open and we get cold dry air from Siberia, and other years the wind blows from China—still cold, but not quite as cold. Spring comes when the warmer air from the south creeps north far enough to warm us a bit, in February or March or even April. This is very variable. Hence the blooming of the cherry trees cannot be accurately predicted a year in advance.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          How bizarre! Meanwhile Leo continues to build the sea level concrete eco-resort… and the private jets go round and round.

          And the green grooopies continue to believe … whatever they are told to believe…

          Duh on Steroids

  35. This article WSJ seems to go with the problem of refinery capacity going way in “rich” countries, that we saw a day or two ago.

    Big Oil’s Talent Crisis: High Salaries Are No Longer Enough
    Energy companies scramble to attract engineers as young workers fret over climate and job security

    A chart is given showing the rise and fall of US petroleum engineering students, for undergraduate, master’s degree, and Ph. D. programs combined. The numbers seem to be

    2008 4,902
    2015 14,376
    2023 3,563

    When I searched for the above article, I also came across a WSJ article from 2015, perhaps partly explaining the problem:

    Who Will Hire a Petroleum Engineer Now?
    The oil slump casts a cloud over the ranks of students who flooded into the industry

    The price of oil is down by more than 40% since June, closing Friday at $59.39 a barrel. Employment at U.S. energy companies has dropped by 6,800 jobs so far this year, according to federal data released Friday, but jobs at energy-services companies have fallen far more, by perhaps 30,000. Graves & Co., a Houston consulting company, says energy employers have announced 120,000 layoffs around the world.

    So jobs are scarce for the nearly 1,800 students in the U.S. expected to graduate this year with a bachelor’s degree in petroleum engineering.

    This is the first major crude-price slump since hydraulic fracturing helped revitalize the U.S. oil industry seven years ago, allowing energy companies to pump oil from dense rock formations cracked open with millions of gallons of water and tons of sand. U.S. crude production jumped from 5 million barrels a day in 2008 to 9.2 million barrels a day in February.

    When a person puts the problem of very up and down hiring with all of today’s emphasis on wind, solar, and electric cars, it is no wonder that young people are choosing other fields. The first article I linked to notes that enrollment is also down in Europe.

    I expect the trend is different in China, Russia and Europe. But the trend bodes poorly for future US production trends.

  36. Mirror on the wall says:

    Alastair Crooke CMG, born 1949, is a former British diplomat, and is the founder and director of the Beirut-based Conflicts Forum. Previously he was a ranking figure in both British intelligence and European Union diplomacy.

    > Hotel Ukraine – You can never leave w/ Alastair Crooke, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen

    • The conflict in Ukraine is like the Hotel California song: You can check out, but you can never leave. Alexander seems to agree with Alastair Crooke. He says the situation reminds him of Syria.

      It seems to remind me of a lot of other situations: Afghanistan, Viet Nam, Iraq.

      The US seems to get itself into a lot of quagmires.

      • Fred says:

        The US creates a lot of quagmires, because that’s how you sell lots of (crappy) weapons. One of Empire’s major scams.

        Send your old F16s to Ukraine so you can buy bright, shiny, new F35s

        It’s an irrelevant detail that the F35s are of no use whatsoever against a peer enemy vs firing missiles at hapless natives.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        It reminds me – why doesn’t Pooty simply turn the valve…

        How hard can it be to turn a valve?

        • Mike Jones says:

          Well Eddie, I was a young kid in high school during the oil embargo of the 1970s of the Middle East.
          It backfired on them…hurt the oil producers as much if not more …
          No American who lived through the seventies will ever forget the long lines at gas stations that flew red or green flags to signal whether they had fuel in their pumps. With today’s oil market glutted and gas prices plummeting, it’s hard to remember that there was a time when Americans could only buy gas on certain days, depending on whether their license plates had odd or even numbers.

          The world had been turned upside down. From being mere resource producers at the mercy of Western states and big oil companies, the oil-rich nations became global kingpins overnight, flush with so much cash that they could barely spend it all, and armed with the most expensive weapons, which they barely knew how to use. The world trembled before the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), whose mostly Middle Eastern members controlled the lifeblood of the global economy.

          How Saudi Arabia’s oil policy triggered the collapse of the USSR
          https://www.rbth.com/history/331825-saudi-arabia-oil-crisis-ussr-collapse
          HISTORYMARCH 13 2020GEORGY MANAEV
          In four months, Saudi extraction rose from two million to 10 million barrels a day, and prices plummeted from $32 a barrel to $10. For the USSR’s economy – already accustomed to exorbitant incomes from its oil, this was a death blow. in 1986 alone, the USSR lost more than $20 billion (approximately 7.5% of the USSR’s annual income), and it already had a budget deficit.

          But Saudi Arabia’s economy was also punished because of the low prices! Why did they do it? Allen’s opinion is that Casey offered the sheiks financial reparations in exchange for the move; this opinion is backed up by the fact that in 1986, 80% of Saudi oil was sold through Exxon, Mobil, Texaco, and Chevron – all American companies.

          The Soviet Union plunged into recession following the 1985-1986 oil crisis. It was enough for the already unhealthy, command-style Soviet economy to crumble. In 1986, USSR’s external loans were about $30 billion; by 1989 they had reached $50 billion.

          Yeah, let them , I dare they!
          That will cause the world a very deep depression …
          They couldn’t give the black goo away

          • Fast Eddy says:

            No need for an embargo – the ‘war’ surely must be costing many billions … stop the war save the billions … just throttle down a little till the EU’s eye’s begin to pop…

            In a very short time they could provoke inflation riots…

            Even a 10% reduction would be punishing

            • MikeJones says:

              That’s exactly what happened to the USA back in 1973/74! Just a 10% shortfall
              Devastating…so don’t bark about why they don’t do it…because if they do it, they will be shooting themselves in the foot as they say..that black goo won’t be worth much
              As Gail has repeated here…we need a functional financial system for things like BAU to function

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Well then … just turn the valve a little less… let’s try 3% shall we.

              Recall one of the main reasons the Germans lost WW2 was because they were starved of oil….

              400,000 dead – NATO running out of ammo hahahaha… and people actually believe this sh-it! hahahahaha…

              Styrofoam War https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/49866

              I bet that is what the PR Team calls it hahaha

            • Foolish Fitz says:

              Eddy, I agree that the SMO is somewhat costly, so here’s what I would do.

              Throttle back pipeline gas ✅

              Allow enough through to honour existing contracts(an important sign to new partners) ✅

              Use their sanctions on oil to help the enrichment of your new partners ✅

              Wait for them to fiddle their sanctions scheme ✅

              Sell them enough to survive, but only through the ridiculously expensive sanctions backdoor ✅

              Celebrate the fact that they are beggering themselves, whilst paying for your dirty work, which also allows you time to set up for your new markets ✅

              Inform the EU that you will not be renewing contracts, so it’s the expensive option for evermore ✅

              What’s the most expensive form of gas to buy?
              Who has a very large fleet for this?
              Who’s laughing all the way to the bank?

              Just 18 months ago Europe was awash with ulta cheap gas on long term contracts and now it’s so desperate it’s doing this👇

              https://youtu.be/1zUbWon4-VE?feature=shared

              “How very noble” 😂

              There are always repercussions of major change, so ending it slowly is best. Softly softly, until the lights go out and the garden rejoins the jungle.
              A more natural order(ok, that’s a bit wishful).

              https://youtu.be/k4A5XuMz_Tw?feature=shared

              From a Russian point of view, it must be like playing chess against a comatose pigeon.

            • MikeJones says:

              Sounds like a plan Foolish Fritz

      • houtskool says:

        “The US seems to get itself into a lot of quagmires.”

        You meant the $, dear Gail?

        The average US citizen ain’t nothing more than a Ukrainian rubber boat on a destroyed kids life.

        A disgusting struggle within useless brains, looking at Fata Morganas burning Koran pages.

  37. From Bloomberg:

    China Asks Fertilizer Producers to Suspend Urea Shipments
    Some producers halt export deals for urea this month: sources
    CNAMPGC Holding Co. already announced curbs to shipments

    China is the world’s top producer and consumer of urea and any significant decline in exports threatens to tighten supplies and push up global prices. Among the biggest export markets for the nation’s crop nutrient are India, South Korea, Myanmar and Australia. . .

    The restrictions add another element of volatility to the global agriculture market, which has been affected by extreme weather across growing regions, export curbs by India and Russia’s war in Ukraine.

    This is one of the reasons why world food production is under pressure. China makes urea with coal, but it can also be made with cheap natural gas.

    This chart (not from Bloomberg) shows China as number four in Urea exports:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1281681/global-urea-export-volume-by-country/

    Russia is shown as number 1.
    Qatar is number 2.
    Egypt is number 3.
    China is number 4.
    Saudi Arabia is number 5.

    So while China produces and consumes a lot of urea for its own market, if the Statista information (from 2019) is correct, China isn’t as major an influence on the world urea export market as I feared. But less urea, because coal prices are too high for making it for this use (my guess) has to adversely affect agriculture.

  38. Gumtoo says:

    Another good article. More evidence excess energy is diminishing. That coupled with ecological overshoot are the 2 major conundrums of the day. A swift and massive reduction of the world’s consumption (or population) is the only thing that will dramatically help the situation. Now, how can we make that happen? Let me see…

    • I am afraid too many people are considering your question.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        I suspect that the outcome to drastic population reduction would be not only that most people are dead but that nearly everyone who remains will return, sooner than otherwise, to a precarious and often violent life of poverty and squalor. Whether that is a ‘desirable’ outcome is debatable.

        Perhaps you could do an article that articulates your thoughts, which I have noticed in the past, about why large scale economies (and lots of workers and consumers) are required as economies of scale to get any significant quantities of fossil fuels, especially as we have already got the ‘lower hanging’ stuff that is less expansive to obtain.

        Why we cannot ‘go back’ to 1920 or 1850 or whenever – let alone a ‘stage 1 civ.’

        It seems likely that there will be no ‘sapient curve’ to the ‘carbon spike’ as Nate put it in his video today (respect for a classy vid that was informative – oil and gas come from sea organisms like plankton and algae 10s of millions of years ago, and coal from land organisms like trees and dinosaurs 100s of millions of years ago). Rather a ‘collapse’, a virtual end to fossil fuels is on the cards, whether it be eventual – or deliberately caused, which seems unlikely, the dominant culture and media narrative are very much against population reduction.

        Btw. Nietzsche writes in TWTP about the ‘instinctive’ ‘indirect egoism’ and ‘mass egoism’ (‘herd’ ‘altruism’) as opposed to a species ‘charity’ that prioritises the future species above the mass of individuals at any given time. In his view, those dispositions are inherent in the mass, and it does seem doubtful that most people would ever actually and in practice favour their own demise and that of most other people including their loved ones. They generally accept wars but that is kind of what humans usually do rather than a singular ‘rational’ reduction.

        Thanos vs. Everyone?

        • FiatJustitiaEtPereatMundus says:

          “I suspect that the outcome to drastic population reduction would be not only that most people are dead but that nearly everyone who remains will return, sooner than otherwise, to a precarious and often violent life of poverty and squalor. ”

          I disagree with this. If you look at the effects of the plague on Europe, it was an increase in wages, prosperity and renaissance. The population dropped between 1/3rd to 2/3rds. The least affected was E. Europe with negative long term consequences (no renaissance there).

          Of course FastEddy and others always mention nuclear reactors and other dangerous industrial sites. Here again, history helps. If Ukraine – the poorest, most corrupt AND fastest depopulating country in Europe – could maintain nuclear power plants for 30 years, I think the rest of the world could at least decomission npps with 1/3rd of the population.

          Note: Ukraine pop in 1990 was 51 millions. Now in 2023, the estimates vary between 20 to 30 millions.

    • I AM THE MOB says:

      Population Decline Will Change the World for the Better

      A future with fewer people offers increased opportunity and a healthier environment

      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/population-decline-will-change-the-world-for-the-better/#:~:text=While%20many%20assume%20population%20decline,an%20increase%20in%20gender%20equality.

      • This is a May 2023 article. Why we should welcome a smaller population (but it won’t be happening right away).

      • drb753 says:

        Too bad the population is us.

      • FiatJustitiaEtPereatMundus says:

        Like most people here, my first reaction to this is shock and disgust – how evil are our overlords!

        But, the question is: are they wrong?
        They think most people are soulless, spineless sheep with no free will or independent mind. Are they wrong?
        They think that if you convince someone to commit suicide by injection, it’s not murder. Proof of that is if their own family continue to praise the injection afterward. Are they wrong?

        They think that a world with less sheep will reduce spending on propaganda (think about all those campaigns to convince the sheep to do what the overlords want). Are they wrong?

        So yes, as a normal human I know they are evil. But most people will obey them to their graves.

        Philosophically, either we believe in free will and then it’s hard to disagree with the oligarchs, or you don’t in which case nothing matters and keep doing what you were doing. Specifically keep boosting if that is your thing.

      • Ed says:

        I agree with the article opportunity and health. I look forward to a 99% reduce with NY state having 200,000 humans.

        I will mosey down to the river and catch me a sturgeon then meander past the orchard for some apples. I’ll have the dogs and a gun with me in case of mountain lions or wolves.

        People please top mis-using the word eugenics. Decreasing the population is not eugenics it is just decreasing the number of people. If one selects a criteria and decrease people with that criteria like schizophrenia that is eugenics.

        Please hurry with the depopulation I only have 30 years let.

        • FiatJustitiaEtPereatMundus says:

          Ed,
          you might be interested to read this book (“The next million years”) written by a nephew of Charles Darwin: https://archive.org/details/nextmillionyears00darw/page/n7/mode/2up

          He explains the impossibility of “eugenics”. With domesticated animals you have humans acting as gods to direct evolution. Who can act as gods to direct the evolution of humans? Other humans? Then they will exempt themselves from that selection and over time, they will take over the population. Basically what we are seeing in US where about half of the population is either psychopaths or robopaths. Either way, that is not the recipe for success.

          Instead nature will take care of it – just like it did during other bottlenecks in the past. The rich (and their willing slaves like Kulm) will disappear and be replaced by uneducated, uncultured warlords that love to spread the love (see Genghis Khan, comman, number of kids, comma)

  39. https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/day-reckoning-arrives-chevron-australian-lng-workers-begin-strikes

    Unionized employees at Chevron Corp.’s liquefied natural gas plants in Australia began partial strikes on Friday after talks about a new labor contract failed to materialize. . .

    Workers plan 20 different types of labor actions at the plants until mid-next week when full-blown strikes could start as early as Thursday. . .

    In response to the start of the partial strike, Benchmark EU natural gas futures jumped as much as 11% before paring some of the gains. US NatGas futures are up nearly 2%. . .

    Kavonic warned a complete shutdown of the LNG plants “simply cannot occur for long” as it would spark an energy crisis in Western Australia that would likely force the government to intervene. . .

    The good news is that Europe’s NatGas storage is approximately 93% full, surpassing the typical seasonal averages. However, the downside is that Europe has reduced its dependence on cheap NatGas from Russia and now sources from global markets, exposing it to potential price volatility.

    I would add that Europe doesn’t have very much storage. In the case of a cold winter, it would need to buy a lot of LNG from the spot market at a high price. The article also says that Chevron LNG facilities account for 7% of the world’s LNG production.

    • Fred says:

      What’s notable is the Chevron project as launched with loads of PR about carbon sequestration. They’ve failed abjectly on that front, despite spending billions (or so they’ve claimed).

  40. Student says:

    (Splash 247.com)

    ”Biden heads to G20 in New Delhi ready to counter Xi’s Belt and Road Initiative”

    ”Shipping from India to Europe via the Middle East could be in for the greatest shake-up for generations if president Joe Biden gets his way.
    Headed to New Delhi for the G20 summit this weekend, the Biden administration has held discussions with India, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates to develop a new intermodal link from South Asia through the Middle East and into Europe with billions of dollars set to be spent on rail and ports in an alternative vision to Chinese president Xi Jinping’s 10-year-old Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), an ambitious infrastructure project yoking China with countries around the world, which has run into difficulties of late.
    The concept of the new transport corridor under discussion – and potentially set to be revealed this weekend – involves ship transit between India and Saudi Arabia, then trains through Saudi Arabia and the UAE, likely to Jordan, then ship transit to Turkey and onward from there by train, according to a report first published by Axios, an American news website, and since corroborated by multiple newswires. Negotiations are ongoing and there is speculation that Israel could be added to the transport corridor.
    White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said Thursday that he could not confirm the infrastructure deal would be announced at the G20. Still, he said the initiative is something “that we’ve invested effort into with our partners.”
    “We believe that connectivity from India across the Middle East to Europe is incredibly important and would bring a significant number of economic benefits, as well as strategic benefits, to all of the countries involved,” he told reporters accompanying Biden aboard Air Force One.
    Italy has made headlines in recent weeks by becoming one of the larger economies to step back from the embrace of China’s BRI; the nation’s defence minister describing the 2019 decision to join the modern Silk Road initiative as “atrocious”. Other nations in Asia and Africa are also having second thoughts on the advances made by Beijing.
    President Xi is not expected to attend the G20 summit this weekend. ”

    https://splash247.com/biden-heads-to-g20-in-new-delhi-ready-to-counter-xis-belt-and-road-initiative/

    • drb753 says:

      we had to come to this. The Chinese innovate, the USA make poor copies.

    • I am afraid that a lot of the Belt and Road Initiative may be overly ambitious. There is a huge amount of debt involved, mostly owed to China, I believe.

      It is hard to believe that connectivity to Europe (Italy) is important. The cost would be too high, in energy consumption. Europe doesn’t have enough to offer the Far East.

      • FiatJustitiaEtPereatMundus says:

        Europe (especially E. Europe) is a big place with great agricultural potential and some natural resources.

        As soon as the US empire collapses, those regions will be up for grabs. Some will become a caliphate (W. Europe), but some will be controlled by Russia and/or China.

        So I can see why the Chinese want to go as far as Italy (which is in the middle of Europe, with most of the land area to the East).

        • Right now, it has too many people for the resources and too high an expectation for the standard of living. But perhaps things will change.

          • FiatJustitiaEtPereatMundus says:

            It happened before – look at the Roman empire. It’s surprising how fast things can change. A war, a famine, some invasion and voila! the survivors are more than happy to work in the fields for their African/Chinese/Russian overlords.

            Think about all those oh so proud romans in Gallia: what’s left of them?
            France is named after Franks, a german invading tribe. Also French, though nominally a romance language is almost as close to German as it is to Latin. Oops!

            I would bet a cow and an ox that in a hundred years or so, most people in W. Europe will speak (badly) arabic so they can communicate with their masters.

      • halfvard says:

        Another issue with the Belt and Road initiative is simply the low trust nature of the Chinese. The quality of their construction and infrastructure is shockingly poor.

      • Student says:

        I don’t agree Gail.
        The idea was very good, because it connected production (China), energy (Russia) and consumption (Europe).
        In a mix of mutual interchange.
        The connection till Italy had the objective to have a foot through Germany and Austria into Italy and then to North Africa.
        South of Italy is far from North Africa about just 140 km (87 miles).
        An incredible and powerful road of international exchanges.
        US had an even better idea, that is: destroy everything…
        With Covid and then with the provocations (not respected Minsk deal) that led to the war Ukraine-Russia.
        It was like when kids are playing ball and having fun and then the bully comes along and smashes everything and burst the ball.
        Let’s see what will be the final result.

  41. MikeJones says:

    Another PEAK…just posted by Nate Hagen…
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BjG7a58Y0Ig&t=1087s
    , Nate describes the Carbon Pulse – a one time massive consumption of fossil hydrocarbons at a pace millions of times faster than they were created. He outlines the many shapes that this pulse could take, as well as some shapes it will never take. Compared to previous carbon pulses that led to mass and minor extinctions, how does the modern pulse compare? What can what we know about ecology and human behavior tell us about the most likely paths into descent? Can thinking about these graphs on such grand geologic time scales help guide us away from the Precipice and towards a more Sapient Future?

    At the end of the video this carbon pulse graph is a mirror reflection of others we refer to in discussions

    • Thanks! Nate thinks that we humans can guide the decline. I think that that is simply wishful thinking.

      The decline will not be uniform around the globe. The laws of physics and the Maximum Power Principle will guide how the decline takes place. We humans cannot tilt the outcome to the direction that we would prefer. I think that there is a God Force that guides the process as well. Perhaps it is partly the “Invisible Hand” that economists talk about. In my view, creation is an ongoing process, made possible by random variations and survival of the best adapted.

  42. Student says:

    (Westpandi)

    ”No.8 2023/24 – US imposes sanctions on jet fuel transport to Burma/Myanmar”

    …every excuse is very good to reduce some jet fuel (diesel) around…

  43. Adonis says:

    uep confirmed

    • Adonis says:

      The LAST CIRCLE, by Cherie Seymour aka Carol Marshall is helpful to everyone who is trying to get an understanding of where this came from and how the New World Order is planning on using discoveries from the concentration camps in Germany, the human genetic guinea pigs in Japan, and the Gulags of the USSR to eliminate 4/5s of the world’s population… and in doing so, set themselves up as the only rulers of Planet Earth.

      • This is a book published in 2010 with high ratings on Amazon.

        According to the blurb on Amazon

        The Last Circle: Danny Casolaro’s Investigation into the Octopus and the PROMIS Software Scandal

        Probing one of most organized and complex criminal enterprises in the United States, this report exposes the dynamics of the Octopus, a globe-trotting undercover intelligence operative. Based on 18 years of investigative research, this account reveals high-level, covert government operations and the elaborate corporate structures and the theft of high-tech software (PROMIS) used as smoke-and-mirror covers for narcotics trafficking, money laundering, arms sales, and espionage. The Octopus connections to a maze of politicians and officials in the National Security Council, the CIA, the FBI, and the U.S. Department of Justice are revealed. A detailed look into the recent high-profile arrest of Mafia hit-man Jimmy Hughes is also included in this intriguing analysis.

        • Adonis says:

          From according to this guys website an unpublished manuscript i found something very interesting i have pasted the relevant section what do you think Gail this section may not be in the published book, I do not know just guessing : Michael continued … “You look at Cytotoxic TLymphocytes. You go ask any medical professional what they’re doing on the leading edge of research there? What the full implications to humanity are, OK?”

          I wanted clarification from Michael, so I answered, “It looks to me like research on a cure for cancer.”

          Michael took the bait. “Go ask a professional. I’d rather have you hear it from a collateral source other than from me.”

          “Well, give me some indication …”

          Michael responded hesitantly, “It would have been Hitler’s wet dream. It’s selective to such a degree that it’s awesome. With the appropriate genetic material, you can wipe
          out whole segments of humanity. There’s no stopping it.”

          “I asked, “You mean you could selectively wipe out certain races of people?”

          “Sure.”

          “Jeez.”

          Mike continued …”And, also, from the beneficial side, you can very specifically wipe out disease cells, cancer cells. Look at the patents. Look at (phonetic sp.) Corporation, look at the patent portfolios

        • Keith Henson says:

          Before he got tangled up in the PROMIS mess I knew Leigh Ratiner He is mentioned on the L5 Society Wikipedia page.

          https://www.scribd.com › document › 393314490 › The-Joseph-D-Casolaro-Case The Joseph D Casolaro Case | PDF | Government – Scribd

          “Leigh Ratiner (of Dickstein, Shapiro and Morin, which was the 10th largest firm in Washington at the time) was the lawyer who obtained a favorable ruling for INSLAW. He was fired in October 1986, reportedly after Mossad arranged a payment of $600,000 to his former firm which was used as a separation settlement.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L5_Society#Moon_Treaty

          (1980)

          “Leigh Ratiner [a Washington lawyer/lobbyist] “played the key role in the lobbying effort,”

          I located Leigh after reading a disparaging opinion piece about him in _Science_ about his work on the Law of the Sea Treaty. I thought immediately, “This is our guy.” Next time my ex-wife and I were in Washington we arranged to meet him. As I recall, he took us to lunch at the ritziest place I had seen to that date. A year or two later I was raising $65,000 for the lobbying effort.

          Last I heard from Leigh he was living in Reno, NV and had pancreatic cancer

      • drb753 says:

        If it refers to the USSR gulags, it must be pure gold. How many millions, did it say?

      • I AM THE MOB says:

        I’d rather serve Bill Gates then who leads us now.

  44. adonis says:

    To fast eddie and all his believers just finished reading a fascinating book on the internet about UEP which was basically mentioned briefly during my reading it was a non-fiction book but i am now firmly in the fast eddie camp nothing is what it seems smoke and mirrors everywhere.

  45. Dennis L. says:

    Gail has nailed it again regarding wind farms.

    “Under the Inflation Reduction Act, Orsted receives upwards of 30% tax credits, but more appears to be needed as a financial crisis is unfolding in the offshore wind power industry.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/turbulent-times-bidens-offshore-wind-farms-orsted-ceo-warns-abandoning-us-projects-real

    Basically, they need more tax credits and baring that, subsidies in the form of cash. It doesn’t work.

    Still, life without energy is brutish; space has limitless energy albeit with enormous pollution; the sun emits huge quantities of dangerous radiation besides photons, our spaceship protects us as well as gives us life.

    Space is an engineering problem, we can do it, TINA.

    Meanwhile, Nelson Eddy is playing “Forty Miles of Bad Road.”

    Dennis L.

  46. postkey says:

    From someone who ‘knows’?

    “Because the US intelligence and military leaders are looking at the war in Ukraine through this prism, the analysts and their managers, for the most part, face enormous pressure to conclude that Russia is a feckless and incompetent near-peer adversary and cannot last.
    I continue to believe that the assumptions about Russia’s alleged failure is ignoring the contravening narrative:
    The Russian economy is robust and healthy despite Western sanctions.
    Russia’s political influence in the world is growing, not shrinking. BRICS is a case in point.
    Russia is inflicting enormous casualties on Ukraine’s military and decimating infrastructure critical to the Ukrainian military campaign.
    Russia’s defense industry has ramped up to levels of production that the West cannot match.
    Russia’s seemingly unlimited access to natural resources, energy and rare earth minerals strengthens Russia’s military position in the world.
    Russia enjoys a massive technological advantage over NATO in terms of electronic warfare, air defense systems, mine laying vehicles and hypersonic missiles.
    Russian leaders and their people genuinely believe they face an existential threat from the West.
    Ukraine is totally dependent on the West to provide money and weapons to continue to fight.”?
    https://sonar21.com/u-s-intelligence-community-sending-mixed-messages-on-ukraine/#comment-153879

    • Tsubion says:

      And I believe the American military holds the high round with an ace up their sleeve that they may (or not have to reveal) at some point.

      The Artemis orbital platform is most likely a weapons system involving kinetic rods that can be guided to any target on Earth and produce an explosion equivalent to a nuclear bomb.

      I believe America is feigning weakness in the face of rising BRICS activity.

      Are these orbital platforms invincible?

      I believe the Russian and Chinese militaries possess missiles that can reach these satellites but it’s not clear how such a conflict would unfold.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-satellite_weapon

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

      • ivanislav says:

        >> I believe America is feigning weakness

        The deterioration/stagnation in military capability would be expected to match that of the society that produces that military capability. A sclerotic system better explains the observables than some super-advanced hyper-power pretending to be in decline for some reason.

        Your argument sounds more like wishful thinking than any sort of reasoned thinking.

        • I agree. All of the NATO countries are encountering limits on what they can afford. They are not at all efficient in the use of resources. Energy and electricity per capita are flat or falling. These countries cannot really support Ukraine.

          • This made me think of Zelensky saying he’ll only hold elections if the US pays for them.

            While one does need extra expenditures in security apparatus and bribe accounts, maybe a dictatorship is cheaper to run?

      • drb753 says:

        Orbital platforms are sitting ducks. America has submarines and nukes, and that’s it. and the petrodollar and woke values of course.

        • FiatJustitiaEtPereatMundus says:

          And most of the nukes are of the 50s/60s vintage.

          Read about nuke maintenance – the Uranium hemispheres are supposed to be reshaped regularly, otherwise the nuke might not work.

          The good news is that US is so weak, it’s very unlikely it can cause problems for much longer – at most a decade or so.

          After that, like Dmitry Orlov said, US it will one of those places that nobody goes to and does not matter. How much do you know about Somalia?

          Of course for those of us “lucky” enough to live here, it’s going to be a wild ride!

        • Ed says:

          and 600 missiles in silos in the north west each with four warheads. They will be launched on warning long before the sub based nukes destroy them. It will be M.A.D. If it removes the Khazarian mafia it will be worth it. It is a good day to die.

      • Bam_Man says:

        Sure. We are “just pretending” that 71% of US males age 18-23 are unfit for military service.

      • Ed says:

        Equal to a very small nuke. 1K nothing like a 10,000K traditional nuke.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Fake war. turn the valve

  47. Fast Eddy says:

    Bravo.. bravo!!!

    Spike Protein causes endothelial inflammation independently

    https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/p/spike-protein-causes-endothelial

    All a psyop? https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/lahaina-tree-burns-inside-out

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