2023: Expect a financial crash followed by major energy-related changes

Why is the economy headed for a financial crash? It appears to me that the world economy hit Limits to Growth about 2018 because of a combination of diminishing returns in resource extraction together with rising population. The Covid-19 pandemic and the accompanying financial manipulations hid these problems for a few years, but now, as the world economy tries to reopen, the problems are back with a vengeance.

Figure 1. World primary energy consumption per capita based on BP’s 2022 Statistical Review of World Energy. Same chart shown in post, Today’s Energy Crisis Is Very Different from the Energy Crisis of 2005.

In the period between 1981 and 2022, the economy was lubricated by a combination of ever-rising debt, falling interest rates, and the growing use of Quantitative Easing. These financial manipulations helped to hide the rising cost of fossil fuel extraction after 1970. Even more money supply was added in 2020. Now central bankers are trying to squeeze the excesses out of the system using a combination of higher interest rates and Quantitative Tightening.

After central bankers brought about recessions in the past, the world economy was able to recover by adding more energy supply. However, this time we are dealing with a situation of true depletion; there is no good way to recover by adding more energy supplies to the system. Instead, the only way the world economy can recover, at least partially, is by squeezing some non-essential energy uses out of the system. Hopefully, this can be done in such a way that a substantial part of the world economy can continue to operate in a manner close to that in the past.

One approach to making the economy more efficient in its energy use is by greater regionalization. If countries can start trading almost entirely with nearby neighbors, this will reduce the world’s energy consumption. In parts of the world with plentiful resources and manufacturing capability, the economy can perhaps continue without major changes. Another way of squeezing out excesses might be through the elimination (at least in part) of the trade advantage the US obtains by using the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. In this post, I will also mention a few other ways that non-essential energy consumption might be reduced.

I believe that a financial crash is likely sometime during 2023. After the crash, the system will start squeezing down on the less necessary parts of the economy. While these changes will start in 2023, they will likely take place over a period of years. In this post, I will try to explain what I see happening.

[1] The world economy, in its currently highly leveraged state, cannot withstand both higher interest rates and Quantitative Tightening.

With higher interest rates, the value of bonds falls. With bonds “worth less,” the financial statements of pension plans, insurance companies, banks and others holding those bonds all look worse. More contributions are suddenly needed to fund pension funds. Governments may find themselves needing to bail out many of these organizations.

At the same time, individual borrowers find that debt becomes more expensive to finance. Thus, it becomes more expensive to buy a home, vehicle, or farm. Debt to speculate in the stock market becomes more expensive. With higher debt costs, there is a tendency for asset prices, such as home prices and stock prices, to fall. With this combination (lower asset prices and higher interest rates) debt defaults are likely to become more common.

Quantitative Tightening makes it harder to obtain liquidity to buy goods internationally. This change is more subtle, but it also works in the direction of causing disruptions to financial markets.

Other stresses to the financial system can be expected, as well, in the near term. For example, Biden’s program that allows students to delay payments on their student loans will be ending in the next few months, adding more stress to the system. China has had huge problems with loans to property developers, and these may continue or get worse. Many of the poor countries around the world are asking the IMF to provide debt relief because they cannot afford energy supplies and other materials at today’s prices. Europe is concerned about possible high energy prices.

This is all happening at a time when total debt levels are even higher than they were in 2008. In addition to “regular” debt, the economic system includes trillions of dollars of derivative promises. Based on these considerations alone, a much worse crash than occurred in 2008 seems possible.

[2] The world as a whole is already headed into a major recession. This situation seems likely to get worse in 2023.

The Global Purchasing Managers Index (PMI) has been signaling problems for months. A few bullet points from their site include the following:

  • Service sector output declined in October, registering the worst monthly performance since mid-2020.
  • Manufacturing output meanwhile fell for a third consecutive month, also declining at the steepest rate since June 2020.
  • PMI subindices showed new business contracting at the quickest rate since June 2020, with the weak demand environment continuing to be underpinned by declining worldwide trade.
  • The global manufacturing PMI’s new export orders index has now signaled a reduction in worldwide goods exports for eight straight months.
  • Price inflationary pressures remained solid in October, despite rates of increase in input costs and output charges easing to 19-month lows.

The economic situation in the US doesn’t look as bad as it does for the world as a whole, perhaps because the US dollar has been at a relatively high level. However, a situation with the US doing well and other countries doing poorly is unsustainable. If nothing else, the US needs to be able to buy raw materials and to sell finished goods and services to these other countries. Thus, recession can be expected to spread.

[3] The underlying issue that the world is starting to experience is overshoot and collapse, related to a combination of rising population and diminishing returns with respect to resource extraction.

In a recent post, I explained that the world seems to be reaching the limits of fossil fuel extraction. So-called renewables are not doing much to supplement fossil fuels. As a result, energy consumption per capita seems to have hit a peak in 2018 (Figure 1) and now cannot keep up with population growth without prices that rise to the point of becoming unaffordable for consumers.

The economy, like the human body, is a self-organizing system powered by energy. In physics terminology, both are dissipative structures. We humans can get along for a while with less food (our source of energy), but we will lose weight. Without enough food, we are more likely to catch illnesses. We might even die, if the lack of food is severe enough.

The world economy can perhaps get along with less energy for a while, but it will behave strangely. It needs to cut back, in a way that might be thought of as being analogous to a human losing weight, on a permanent basis. On Figure 1 (above), we can see evidence of two temporary cutbacks. One was in 2009, reflecting the impact of the Great Financial Crisis of 2008-2009. Another related to the changes associated with Covid-19 in 2020.

If energy supply is really reaching extraction limits, and this is causing the recent inflation, there needs to be a permanent way of cutting back energy consumption, relative to the output of the economy. I expect that changes in this direction will start happening about the time of the upcoming financial crash.

[4] A major financial crash in 2023 may adversely affect many people’s ability to buy goods and services.

A financial discontinuity, including major defaults that spread from country to country, is certain to adversely affect banks, insurance companies and pension plans. If problems are widespread, governments may not be able to bail out all these institutions. This, by itself, may make the purchasing of goods and services more difficult. Citizens may find that the funds they thought were in the bank are subject to daily withdrawal limits, or they may find that the value of shares of stock they owned is much lower. As a result of such changes, they will not have the funds to buy the goods they want, even if the goods are available in shops.

Alternatively, citizens may find that their local governments have issued so much money (to try to bail out all these institutions) that there is hyperinflation. In such a case, there may be plenty of money available, but very few goods to buy. As a result, it still may be very difficult to buy the goods a family needs.

[5] Many people believe that oil prices will rise in response to falling production. If the real issue is that the world is reaching extraction limits, the problem may be inadequate demand and falling prices instead.

If people have less to spend following the financial crash, based on the reasoning in Section [4], this could lead to lower demand, and thus lower prices.

It also might be noted that both the 2009 and 2020 dips in consumption (on Figure 1) corresponded to times of low oil prices, not high. Oil companies cut back on production if they find that prices are too low for them to expect to make a profit on new production.

We also know that a major problem as limits are reached is wage disparity. The wealthy use more energy products than poor people, but not in proportion to their higher wealth. The wealthy tend to buy more services, such as health care and education, which are not as energy intensive.

If the poor get too poor, they find that they must cut back on things like meat consumption, housing expenses, and transportation expenses. All these things are energy intensive. If very many poor people cut back on products that indirectly require energy consumption, the prices for oil and other energy products are likely to fall, perhaps below the level required by producers for profitability.

[6] If I am right about low energy prices, especially after a financial discontinuity, we can expect oil, coal, and natural gas production to fall in 2023.

Producers tend to produce less oil, coal and natural gas if prices are too low.

Also, government leaders know that high energy prices (especially oil prices) lead to high food prices and high inflation. If they want to be re-elected, they will do everything in their power to keep energy prices down.

[7] Without enough energy to go around, more conflict can be expected.

Additional conflict can be expected to come in many forms. It can look like local demonstrations by citizens who are unhappy about their wages or other conditions. If wage disparity is a problem, it will be the low-wage workers who will be demonstrating. I understand that demonstrations in Europe have recently been a problem.

Conflict can also take the form of wide differences among political parties, and even within political parties. The difficulty that the US recently encountered electing a Speaker of the House of Representatives is an example of such conflict. Political parties may splinter, making it difficult to form a government and get any business accomplished.

Conflict may also take the form of conflict among countries, such as the conflict between Russia and Ukraine. I expect most wars today will be undeclared wars. With less energy to go around, the emphasis will be on approaches that require less energy. Deception will become important. Destruction of another country’s energy infrastructure, such as pipelines or electricity transmission, may be part of the plan. Another form of deception may involve the use of bioweapons and supposed cures for these bioweapons.

[8] After the discontinuity, the world economy is likely to become more disconnected and more regionally aligned. Russia and China will tend to be aligned. The US seems likely to be another center of influence.

A major use of oil is transporting goods and people around the globe. If there is not enough oil to go around, one way of saving oil is to transport goods over shorter distances. People can talk by telephone or video conferences to save on oil used in long distance transportation. Thus, increased regionalization seems likely to take place.

In fact, the pattern is already beginning. Russia and China have recently been forging long-term alliances centered on providing natural gas supplies to China and on strengthening military ties. Being geographically adjacent is clearly helpful. Furthermore, major US oil companies are now focusing more on developments in the Americas, rather than on big international projects, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Countries that are geographically close to Russia-China may choose to align with them, especially if they have resources or finished products (such as televisions or cars) to sell. Likewise, countries near the US with suitable products to sell may align with the United States.

Countries that are too distant, or that don’t have resources or finished products to sell (goods, rather than services), may largely be left out. For example, European countries that specialize in financial services and tourism may have difficulty finding trading partners. Their economies may shrink more rapidly than those of other countries.

[9] In a regionally aligned world, the US dollar is likely to lose its status as the world’s reserve currency.

With increased regionalization, I would expect that the US dollar’s role as the world’s reserve currency would tend to disappear, perhaps starting as soon as 2023. For example, transactions between Russia and China may begin to take place directly in yuan, without reference to a price in US dollars, and without the need for US funds to allow such transactions to take place.

Transactions within the Americas seem likely to continue taking place using US dollars, especially when they involve the buying and selling of energy-related products.

With the US dollar as the reserve currency, the US has been able to import far more than it exports, year after year. Based on World Bank data, in 2021 the US imported $2.85 trillion of goods (including fossil fuels, but excluding services) and exported $1.76 trillion of goods, leading to a goods-only excess of imports over exports of $1.09 trillion. When exports of services are included, the excess of imports over exports shrinks to “only” $845 billion. It is hard to see how this large a gap can continue. Such a significant difference between imports and exports would tend to shrink if the US were to lose its reserve currency status.

[10] In a disconnected world, manufacturing of all kinds will fall, especially outside of Southeast Asia (including China and India), where a major share of today’s manufacturing is performed.

A huge share of today’s manufacturing capability is now in China and India. If these countries have access to oil from the Middle East and Russia, I expect they will continue to produce goods and services. If there are not enough of these goods to go around, I would expect that they would primarily be exported to other countries within their own geographic region.

The Americas and Europe will be at a disadvantage because they have fewer manufactured goods to sell. (The US, of course, has a significant quantity of food to export.) Starting in the 1980s, the US and Europe moved a large share of their manufacturing to Southeast Asia. Now, when these countries talk about ramping up clean energy production, they find that they are largely without the resources and the processing needed for such clean energy projects.

Figure 2: New York Times chart based on International Energy Agency data. February 22, 2022.

In fact, ramping up “regular” manufacturing production of any type in the US, (for example, local manufacturing of generic pharmaceutical drugs, or manufacturing of steel pipe used in the drilling of oil wells) would not be easy. Most of today’s manufacturing capability is elsewhere. Even if the materials could easily be gathered into one place in the US, it would take time to get factories up and running and to train workers. If some necessary items are lacking, such as particular raw materials or semiconductor chips, transitioning to US manufacturing capability might prove to be impossible in practice.

[11] After a financial discontinuity, “empty shelves” are likely to become increasingly prevalent.

We can expect that the total quantity of goods and services produced worldwide will begin to fall for several reasons. First, regionalized economies cannot access as diverse a set of raw materials as a world economy. This, by itself, will limit the types of goods that an economy can produce. Second, if the total quantity of raw materials used in making the inputs declines over time, the total amount of finished goods and services can be expected to fall. Finally, as mentioned in Section [4], financial problems may cut back on buyers’ ability to purchase goods and services, limiting the number of buyers available for finished products, and thus holding down sales prices.

A major reason empty shelves become can be expected to become more prevalent is because more distant countries will tend to get cut out of the distribution of goods. This is especially the case as the total quantity of goods and services produced falls. A huge share of the manufacturing of goods is now done in China, India, and other countries in Southeast Asia.

If the world economy shifts toward mostly local trade, the US and Europe are likely to find it harder to find new computers and new cell phones since these tend to be manufactured in Southeast Asia. Other goods made in Southeast Asia include furniture and appliances. These, too, may be harder to find. Even replacement car parts may be difficult to find, especially if a car was manufactured in Southeast Asia.

[12] There seem to be many other ways the self-organizing economy could shrink back to make itself a more efficient dissipative structure.

We cannot know in advance exactly how the economy will shrink back its energy consumption, besides regionalization and pushing the US dollar (at least partially) out of being the reserve currency. Some other areas where the physics of the economy might force cutbacks include the following:

  • Vacation travel
  • Banks, insurance companies, pension programs (much less needed)
  • The use of financial leverage of all kinds
  • Governmental programs providing payments to those not actively in the workforce (such as pensions, unemployment insurance, disability payments)
  • Higher education programs (many graduates today cannot get jobs that pay for the high cost of their educations)
  • Extensive healthcare programs, especially for people who have no hope of ever re-entering the workforce

In fact, the population may start to fall because of epidemics, poor health, or even too little food. With fewer people, limited energy supply will go further.

Governments and intergovernmental agencies may start to fail because they cannot get enough tax revenue. Of course, the underlying issue for the lack of tax revenue is likely to be that the businesses within the governed area cannot operate because they cannot obtain enough inexpensive energy resources for operation.

[13] Conclusion.

If the world economy experiences major financial turbulence in 2023, we could be in for a rough ride. In my opinion, a major financial crash seems likely. This is could upset the economy far more seriously than the 2008 crash.

I am certain that some mitigation measures can be implemented. For example, there could be a major push toward trying to make everything that we have today last longer. Materials can be salvaged from structures that are no longer used. And some types of local production can be ramped up.

We can keep our fingers crossed that I am wrong but, with fewer oil and other energy resources available per person, moving goods shorter distances makes sense. Thus, the initial trends we are seeing toward regionalization are likely to continue. The move away from the US dollar as the reserve currency also looks likely to continue. Moreover, if the changes I am talking about don’t occur in 2023, they are likely to begin in 2024 or 2025.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,575 Responses to 2023: Expect a financial crash followed by major energy-related changes

  1. davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

    https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/01/24/simon-dunn-famed-australian-olympian-and-rugby-player-dies-suddenly-at-35/

    Eddie must have missed this even though he’s in Oz?

    he was Dunn, and now he’s Done.

  2. Fast Eddy says:

    NHS Director confirms Hospitals lied about Cause of Death to create illusion of COVID Pandemic

    Before Covid, four types of pneumonia added together were the highest cause of death in the UK. In a newly implemented Medical Examiner System to certify deaths, the Medical Examiner was certifying all types of pneumonia deaths as covid-19 deaths, a former Director of End-of-Life Care has said.

    https://expose-news.com/2023/01/17/how-uk-hospitals-manipulated-cause-of-death/

    • Lastcall says:

      Bit of a conspiracy to mislead don’t you think Normies?
      Best to be in a safe place, away from such revelations.

  3. Fast Eddy says:

    Australia’s Health Institutions and Covid Vaccine Rollout have been controlled by US military

    A group of Australian scientists, doctors, and medical academics, headed by pharmacologist Phillip Altman, are claiming that the US DoD “had a dominant role in the response to the SARs CoV2 virus and in the subsequent development, manufacture, and distribution of the Covid 19 vaccines.”

    [Related: US Department of Defence controlled the Covid Vaccine Programme from the start]

    https://expose-news.com/2023/01/15/aus-vaccine-rollout-controlled-by-us-military/

    Not about $$$.

    • banned says:

      Thats a good summary. DARPA was floating proposals about MRNA substances earlier than 2012. To what extent the substance existed prior to the mass manufacture is a good question. The “development” period is more appropriate for a timeline to take a existing lab process and create bathtub gin bulk manufacturing with no product or process characterization using the DOD OTA contracts. Some rigged superficial clinical trials and they were ready to roll. Some entity has been hot to trot for MRNA tech for a long time and boy trot they did.

      Even that analysis buys into a unproven narrative. The fact is the substance(s) is unidentified.

      That DARPA was talking MRNA in 2012 is a good indicator that that part of the narrative is true- the substance is a MRNA gene therapy of some sort but we really dont know. Considering the large participation of companies specializing in biosurveillance that were paid huge sums with operation warp speed one has to ask what was their contribution to the substance(s) (non product). There is zero legal or process characterization that guarantees that there is a singular substance not different substances or hybrids. How many things has DOD had on the backburner wanting to alpha test? Probably more than one and probably not solely biological but electro mechanical.

      If its alpha experimentation test hour you would want to explore all of the technologies you were interested in not limit yourself to one. Since the substance is not legally or empirically defined why not? If it fits in a syringe its “the vaccine”. This years “flu shot” with MRNA and lipid nanoparticles is way way way way different than last years flu shot but its still “the flu shot”. The lot numbers suffice for cage numbers. Guess what if your phone can be wirelessly charged there is plenty of energy in EMF fields we are apparently immersed in to power all sorts of devices. THe long “tails” of the things we observe in the microscope when the injectable substances are examined look curiously like antennas attached to circuitry to my dumb ass.

      Electro mechanical has to get its power from somewhere my wild ass guess is the tails/antennas are to grab power from the EMF. The mm waves are not supposed to penetrate very far so maybe thats stupid. Sorry way way too many very credible people have observed way too many objects in the substances for this to be solely a biological rollout. The wide variety of things observed the squid like things Carrie Madej observed for interest suggests multiple rollouts of BOTH biological and electromechanical to me. We saw competing design submission from the pharma companies in biological is it illogical to suppose that the biosurveilance companys did not submit multiple electromechanical competing designs also? What if a company had multiple design submissions?

      There was no shortage of test subjects or legal responsibility why not test everything? More the merrier. I could be wrong. If these things are not intentional with a purpose than this space junk floating about represents a manufacturing process that I suppose could be expected considering no product or process characterization in the bootleg gin manufacturing. And a rather generic substance added to all the different experiments to produce a short term mild immune response to justify that “the vaccine” works in the short term.

      • It would be hard for most people to believe that our Department of Defense, and other similar Department of Defenses around the world, could be behind the strange virus and the even stranger “vaccines” that we have been experiencing. In fact, the US government and other governments have been funding this stuff. Since this stuff is not really a vaccine, there are no quality standards involved. What the desired endpoints are is not clear either. Is the virus-“vaccine” combination intended to reduce human population to a more sustainable level?

        • Fast Eddy says:

          They would never accept this because they would not understand the rationale for doing such a thing.

          Even the anti vax community is struggling with this – they fall back on various theories (that the PR Team feeds them) such as the Great Reset … a cull… greater control etc…

          The only reason that the DOD would do such a seemingly insane thing (i.e. commit global suicide…) is because to not do so would result in a far worse outcome.

          What outcome could be worse than global suicide (extinction) — 8B without energy and food would be a much much much worse outcome.

          Try explaining that to an anti vaxxer – or a vaxxer… equally impossible.

          They would recoil in horror if BBCCNN actually told them the truth about the Covid Injections… they’d lose their minds – literally — just imagine what would happen if the news ran with this truth — think about that.

          The greatest fear of a MOREON is death. And death of their offspring. They will not react well to being told there is no future

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The Utopia series was filmed pre 2013…. therefore all of this was underway well before that

    • Excerpts:

      It is now possible to piece together a tentative timeline of what has been a series of medical deceptions that have profoundly damaged Australian society – and much of the Western world. There were four phases.

      The first was a cover up of the fact that the Wuhan research had been funded out of the United States. Fauci initially wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine that SARS-CoV-2 was likely to be no worse than a bad seasonal flu, but behind the scenes he and others were panicking that their involvement would be exposed. . .

      Phase two was Operation Warp Speed, the secretive use of the military by the Trump administration. As the name implies, the timeline was suspiciously short, in part because dubious, or non-existent, safety checking occurred at the same time as the manufacturing – which rendered genuine safety testing impossible. . .

      The third phase was a propaganda campaign that affected the whole world, the biggest ever mounted. It involved an astonishing array of players: the struggling Big Pharma industry, which is now punting its future on mRNA technology, especially revenue from patents; the World Health Organisation, which Trump had threatened to pull out of; large corporations, which enthusiastically enforced the medical tyranny; health bureaucrats who have made a mockery of the phrase “public service”; universities (many Australian universities still will not allow the unvaccinated on campus); the World Economic Forum, and a plethora of bad actors exploiting the situation to usher in the so-called Great Reset, a global technocracy.

      It seems to have also included much of the executive branch of the US government. The Department of Health and Human Services had over $1 billion to spend on pushing aggressive covid policies, including vaccine mandates. It is being revealed that the FBI and other organisations in the US intelligence services were involved in censoring anyone questioning the covid narrative on social media. . .

      The fourth phase, which we are in now, is the cover up of possible vaccine side effects.

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    MRNA Vaccine is a “Shotgun Blast” to Brain and Reproductive Organs — Dr. Robert Chandler

    “There’s an element in people’s blood that changes from better able to deal with infection to less able to deal with infection.”

    https://dailyclout.io/mrna-vaccine-is-a-shotgun-blast-to-brain-and-reproductive-organs/

  5. Noel Fitzpatrick says:

    Hi all,
    Just a topic for debate/discussion. Has anyone read or listened to Robert Laughlin on future scenarios for energy use. His argument that capping fossil fuel extraction would only delay that fossil fuel use by a few decades seems to be playing out in Germany with electricity production from coal up from 6 per cent to 31 per cent. He also seems to be involved with a company making batteries and new solar energy devices. The Brayton battery it is called. Has an ecoe calculation been done on any of these new devices as Laughlin never seems to address this issue for fossil fuels.

    • I am not familiar with him. Do you have any links?

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “… capping fossil fuel extraction would only delay that fossil fuel use by a few decades…”

      and most FF producing countries are not going to be capping a vital source of income.

      FF is pedal to the metal until financial collapse.

      “The Brayton battery it is called. Has an ecoe calculation been done…”

      a calculation is not necessary. All batteries are energy sinks.

  6. Mirror on the wall says:

    A massive purge is underway of the Ukranian military and security apparatus. The USA is isolating Zelensky, by removing all of those who are close to him. That would make it easier to remove him, and he seems to be the ultimate target.

    USA may plan to have UKR divided between the east and the west. The west of UKR was historically part of Poland, and it might be absorbed back into it, which could call the post-WWII borders settlement back into question.

    Poland lost west UKR in the deal between Germany and Russia in 1939, and Poland has long nurtured the desire to reverse that ‘historic injustice’. Germany would likely be anxious about that outcome, which was touted in Poland at the start of the war.

    Poland is gathering a 300,000 force, tanks and other equipment, ostensibly to support UKR. There may be an acceptance that the east of UKR is lost, and the intent may be for Poland to secure the west of UKR. Germany seems to be reluctant to support the supply effort.

    There is, and has been, large conscription in the west of UKR with young men being sent to the front and with huge losses. It is possible that ethnicities are being removed from western UKR, which would make it easier for Poland to occupy it.

    The build up of Russian forces in Belarus may be related to that scenario. The situation is getting more complex, which could mean that UKR is headed into the ‘end game’. That is what happened in Syria. The ‘end game’ can last longer than the initial war.

    It all remains to be seen.

    • Student says:

      Many thanks for summary.

      • Hubbs says:

        At @20:20 Alex makes a very astute observation that maybe there is no intention by the west that all these weapons will actually be going to the UKR front lines. These weapons will be used to shore up Poland to defend against Belarus and Russia. In other words, the west has now given up on UKR but will continue to use these poor souls as cannon fodder, paying lip service to “resupplying those brave Ukranian soldiers.” The treachery is beyond belief- first stringing along Russia via the Minsk agreements, and now soon to be abandoned UKR like we did Afghanistan.

        • Xabier says:

          Put on a uniform, and know that you will likely be betrayed sooner or later.

          The fate of conscripts is horrible: we, on the other hand, were marked for conscription into getting vaxxed,

    • Hubbs says:

      I listen to Alex and Alexander regularly. They, Brian Berlectic of YT’s New Atlas and Col MacGreggor are about the best and most realistic analysts out there.

    • Ed says:

      Informative video. Poland may take the western half of Ukraine! This opens the question of the Poland/Germany border from WW2. Maybe Poland deserves its land back from Germany.

      The CIA director ordered a purge of the Ukraine government to isolate Zelensky.

      157,000 dead Ukrainians. 20,000 dead Russians. Let’s see if we can get to 200,000 dead Ukrainians. We stand with Ukraine???

      The war is finally getting interesting.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Mostly fake. Russia could demolish Ukey in a week…

        Renewable energy is just as fake — and EVs… and everything one reads on CNNBBC

        • David says:

          I think Denmark’s very large solar collector fields and seasonal heat stores are real. Roughly four of them. The last one was built a few years ago, not sure why there are no more since then. Probably political, i.e. connected to shifting subsidies or new EU rules.

          It copes with most of the heating load, if you live in a suburb, town or city. More realistic than individual heat pumps there. But not well known outside Denmark, a country where 65-70% of houses have hot water pipes, not gas pipes.

          Before allowing for this source of heat, Nate Hagens and Simon Michaux thought renewables could possibly supply 30-50% as much energy as present world consumption. Not enough for the ‘American way of life’ … but not negligible either.

          I regard mass euthanasia, which FE thinks is the plan, as a cop-out. All people have to do is live within their means, i.e. a one-planet and not five-planet lifestyle.

    • drb753 says:

      If I understand anything about geopolitics this interpretation is completely wrong. On the other end “end game” in Syria is all oil to the US, until its enemies are ready to kick it out. so “end game” here might be “trench warfare for five years”. which is no end game at all. I say Zelensky is the man of the West to the bitter end, and his Tel Aviv condo is ready.

  7. Hubbs says:

    Had been watching a podcast of Rogue News featuring “V the Gorilla Economist and CJ “ today on YouTube. I was puzzled, because if you look online this podcast has scraps of previous episodes listed but none currently and there is a scattered trail of links to that group which I suspect are behind a pay wall. A very chaotic and disorganized fragmented site.

    Nevertheless, towards the end of today’s podcast, V posted a snippet of an interview of Colonel MacGeggor on Gerald Celente’s channel about Celente’s proposal to solve our country’s (US) problems by having RFK Jr as President and Judge Napolitano as VP, hoping or thinking that MacGreggor would agree with him. Celente is one of the biggest bloviators out there and the epitome of “more heat and than light” in his rants when he is interviewed, and his Trends Journal is probably a big waste of money too. However, the Celeste clip ended with McGregor flatly saying “no” to a stunned and silent Celeste.

    MacGreggor again stated that there is no way to fix the US political /economic situation until there is complete collapse of the U.S! Flatly and mincing no words. ( This happens to be my opinion as well, and was amazed that MacGreggor had the balls to speak frankly about the grim reality. That embedded clip ended as V then ranted on a few more minutes about how we have lawyers, psychopaths, incompetents etc, and “ pseudo intellectual and incompetents in Washington with their euro political science degrees, pseudo law degrees, pseudo political economy degrees , pseudo political relations degrees etc.”and then suddenly the YouTube channel went blank with a message that the podcast had been terminated by the provider.

    CJ is the technical manger and had seemed to be a very sharp and reliable a guy when I listen to the podcast a year or two ago. Since then, I think Rogue News has gone behind a pay wall but it I can’t really be sure where or what it is now because it there is such a smattering of different channels and links that I lost track. However, I wonder if this was supposed to have been part of the paid subscription service which inadvertently had slipoed through the pay wall or whether YouTube had simply stepped in, and censored it, and informing us that it was V and CJ , the providers, who had cut it off when it may have been YT. I could not get it to playback and can not find the links to it now.

    • ivanislav says:

      this timestamp is what you’re talking about:
      https://youtu.be/ZLYMHqlnZ8s?t=1387

      • Hubbs says:

        That’s it Ivanislov! Many thanks. The part I mentioned occurs at 22:32.
        It is quite a contrast to see a reserved MacHreggor talking to a hothead like Celeste who usually blows up in about two minutes into a podcast. Very sobering indeed. Now back to listen to the entire video to get things in context.

    • Ed says:

      “no way to fix the US political /economic situation until there is complete collapse of the U.S!”

      Agree. No reason the thieves would give up their loot and power.

  8. Mirror on the wall says:

    The clock is now ticking down to the next UK general election, to be held at some point within the next 24 months, and Scots plan to marshal that vote as a crunch time.

    Anyone could foresee that it was not wise to tell Scots that they are ‘not allowed’ to vote for independence, and a string of polls have since put Yes ahead.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/23272956.de-facto-referendum-see-scots-vote-independence-poll-finds/

    De facto referendum would see Scots vote for independence, poll finds

    NEARLY 55% of voters would back pro-independence parties if the next General Election was fought as a de facto referendum, according to a new poll.

    The exclusive survey, carried out by Find Out Now for The National, found most Scottish voters would vote for the SNP at 52%.

    With 2% backing the Scottish Greens and 0.4% voting for the Alba Party, the total secured for the independence side reaches 54.4%.

    …. Earlier this month, it was revealed there will be two options on the table for discussion at a special conference being held by the SNP in March.

    The option for contesting the next UK General Election as a de facto referendum states: “If a majority of those voting in the election vote SNP – or if the combined votes for the SNP and any other party with which it has reached a pro-independence agreement in advance of the election constitute a majority of votes cast – we will consider that a mandate to enter negotiations with the UK Government to secure independence.”

    The other option is for the SNP to contest the next UK General Election on the issue of securing agreement for a transfer of power to enable the Scottish Parliament to legislate for a referendum.

    If the party wins a majority of Scottish seats it will take that demand to the UK Government – but if refused it will contest the Scottish Parliament election in 2026 as a de facto referendum.

    …. The poll, which is the latest in a series The National has commissioned from Find Out Now, a member of the British Polling Council, surveyed 1094 adults and was carried out between 11-18 January.

    The question asked was: “Nicola Sturgeon says the SNP will fight the next General Election as a “de facto” referendum on independence. Which party will you vote for?”

  9. In my recent wandering came upon this interesting theoretical framework attempting to comprehensively explain mechanism for chronic illnesses (and aging in other work by same author) that explores the idea of a different cyclical path for healing processes that must be followed to recover from the path that led to sickness. Cant simply treat symptoms as simplistic allopathic medicine does, but after removal of triggers of illness must facilitate/complete a healing process which if incomplete or interupted will lead to chronic illness. Cell danger response theory attempts application/understanding of complex system dynamics and interaction of genomic, phenomic, epigenetic and environmental factors to look toward true understanding of mechanisms of health.

    https://youtu.be/QG5eNvRfH7M?t=2123

    (I link in the middle of the talk to introduce a graphical depiction of integrated cycles of health and healing via “Cell Danger Response” phases as an attempt to stimulate interest via the big picture. Recommend going back to the beginning and watching whole talk – fascinating simply as an example of systems dynamics thinking but includes so much more including evolutionary biology and intercellular communication mechanisms and approaches to medicine. One other particular hook is example at end of phase I study results of attempt to use targeted compound to facilitate recovery from severe regressive autism as an example of application of theory to ameliorating a whole plethora of chronic illnesses (of interest to me as have a son w/ Aspergers for which this approach seems much further away from and more nuanced than this gross very preliminary application to severe regressive (non-communacative autism)

    This talk great illistration of how little we understand about effects of cellular communication, interaction and environmental influences on health.

    For those who dont want/lack time for hour video here is a paper by same author that reviews the theory.

    https://moscow.sci-hub.se/2263/03d4032a66d355dc010a1eecf0edd912/naviaux2014.pdf#navpanes=0&view=FitH

    from the abstract:
    “The cell danger response (CDR) is the evolutionarily conserved metabolic response that protects cells and hosts from harm. It is triggered by encounters with chemical, physical, or biological threats that exceed the cellular capacity for homeostasis. The resulting metabolic mismatch between available resources and functional capacity
    produces a cascade of changes in cellular electron flow, oxygen consumption, redox, membrane fluidity, lipid dynamics, bioenergetics, carbon and sulfur resource allocation, protein folding and aggregation, vitamin availability, metal homeostasis, indole, pterin, 1-carbon and polyamine metabolism, and polymer formation”

    Possible application/analogy to finite world theory: The path that got us sick (mismatch of available resources and functional capacity) (growth economy) will not be path that will restore health or sustain life devoid of chronic illness (controlled degrowth or uncontrolled collapse)

    Enjoy I hope – I found it very thoughtful and expansive in contemplation of the theory

    • Jef Jelten says:

      “The path that got us sick (mismatch of available resources and functional capacity) (growth economy) will not be path that will restore health or sustain life devoid of chronic illness (controlled degrowth or uncontrolled collapse)”

      Voted understatement of the millennia.

      Nostra – If you hold out for any of this twaddle you are firmly in the bargaining stage of grief.

  10. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    Conclusion
    https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20230123/Bivalent-BA4-5-or-BA1-mRNA-booster-given-as-a-fourth-dose-associated-with-increased-protection-against-COVID-19-hospitalization-and-death.aspx
    Bivalent BA.4-5 or BA.1 mRNA-booster given as a fourth dose associated with increased protection against COVID-19 hospitalization and death

    In a recent study posted to the medRxiv* preprint server, researchers compared the efficiency of the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) Omicron BA.4-5 and BA.1 bivalent messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA)-booster vaccines

    The study findings showed that bivalent BA.1 or BA.4-5 mRNA booster vaccination as a fourth COVID-19 vaccine dose boosted protection against SARS-CoV-2-related hospitalization and mortality compared to triple-vaccinated individuals. Fourth dose immunization with bivalent BA.4-5 boosters provided marginally higher protection against hospitalization due to COVID-19 than bivalent BA.1 booster vaccines. The researchers believe that the present study provided much-needed information about the efficacy of bivalent booster vaccines in the context of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.

    *Important notice
    medRxiv publishes preliminary scientific reports that are not peer-reviewed and, therefore, should not be regarded as conclusive, guide clinical practice/health-related behavior, or treated as established information.

    Close enough for me and the CDC and the FDA

    • “Marginally higher protection” doesn’t sound like an outstanding endorsement.

      When I look at the report itself, https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.01.19.23284764v1

      In fact, the statement seems to be sort of weasel worded to avoid saying what is actually the case.

      While the bivalent booster provided slightly better protection against hospitalization than the regular booster, 80.5% vs 74.1%, it provided somewhat worse protection against death (77.8% vs 80.1%).

      The write up gets around pointing out this difficulty by comparing the result not to the use of the “old” booster, but to no fourth booster at all. In that case, the death result seems to be marginally better.

    • Student says:

      The correct summary should probably be:
      if you are still alive and if you are still in apparent good health after 3 doses, the 4th dose may avoid you to get Covid.
      And that is what could happen to you if you remain alive and in good health after the above mentioned 4th dose.

  11. Earlier today Gail replied: “I don’t think so, reante. I don’t want to hear more about this.”

    Hopefully this means that there is some recognition that excessive hubris and extremism masquerading as open mindeness masked by a hodgepodge of incomprehensible stitching together of intelligent sounding phrases will no longer be excused or allowed to drowning out/dominate/troll productive discussions. Advocacy for recognition of environmental conditioning of biological systems (macro or submicro) and understaning via systems dynamics paradigms is warranted but must be moderated and inclusive of all components of the system. Extreme denial of germ theory is as wrong as extreme denial of environmental (aka terrain) influences on system’s functions. Both have a role and the beginnings of understanding of the complexities of health, sickness, contagion and healing cycles/processes will not be advanced by denial of either “germs”, terrain or any other element of biosystems

    https://www.quantamagazine.org/cells-talk-in-a-language-that-looks-like-viruses-20180502/

    Here is an interesting and comprehensible writeup obtained by a duck duck search of “cells creating viral like exosomes” that allows for viruses and cellular exosomes used for communication to exist at different localtions along a continuum of poorly understood intercellular and external biochemical conglomerations/bioparticulates (my characterization) in the nm to micron size range. to have roles as beneficial symbiots or degratory pathogens of intercellular communications packets.

    Thanks FE for your pushback on contagion..I would like to hear real believable evidence against inlight of history of chickenpox or mumps parties by mothers who historically used prevaccination tech to consolidate intervals of illness in siblings or the mechanism for polio manifestation and transmission from those innoculated with live polio vaccine (seems someone successfully isolated the causative bioparticles and they propogated/reproduced using host cellular processes)

    • reante says:

      Ha. The coordinated, unified front.

      And you with the rearguard action. The strawmanning.

      Why is it that you can lob characterizations but you cannot engage directly?

      Why is it that we all know that Socrates was killed by people who felt threatened that he was able to systematically harness Pure Reason, yet some of us here continue to feel threatened, as if there is nothing to be learned from Socrates’ assassination? Note that I’m not putting myself on Socrates’ level but the analogy is warranted.

      If you want me to be humbled, then humble me with Reason. I’m an honest man, I will gladly take a humbling because of my sincere love for the truth.

    • JMS says:

      I already asked it here, but apparently the question did not pass the sieve of scientifical correcteness. I’m going to try for a second and last time, hoping to have more luck now. Could you point me to the controlled scientific study that proved that smallpox was caused by variola virus? It must be well buried, since I can’t find it.

      • ivanislav says:

        Just a guess here … but perhaps those sorts of “controlled scientific studies” are hard to get past bioethics review boards:

        “We’ve isolated what we believe is the deadly virus and, to prove it, we will expose half the patients to the isolate in a double-blinded study and …”

        • reante says:

          They could do it with human cell cultures by treating some cultures well and other cultures poorly and recording the different results, but they don’t use proper controls. They just inoculate all with ‘variola’ and starve and poison them and voila, more famine-related exosomes .

          Plus, they’ve done numerous human experiments with other viruses and failed on all accounts.

          Prove that summarized review of the literature wrong.

          We unbelievers have put in all this work already, which is why we’re unbelievers. The truth is expensive. Ain’t no free lunches.

          JMS

          I also had a response to nostraightpath that wasn’t published.

        • JMS says:

          Bioethics! LOL! You must be joking. That argument does not even deserve an answer. Remind me please what your dear bioethics had to say about the inoculation of mRNA poison in adults and children over the past two years.

          Look, I have a theory that earthquakes are caused by colonies of asbestos tortoises that live 3000 miles from the earth’s crust. Unfortunately I cannot demonstrate this because it would be unethical to send scientists to such depths, from which they could not return alive. I hope that this impossibility of demonstrating my theory does not make you look at it with skepticism. But you can trust me, I’m a biogeologist.

          • JMS says:

            Besides, if smallpox is a disease for which there is a vaccine, as you believe, the risks would be non-existent, right?
            You could even use as guinea pigs death row convicts, saying, Pal, we propose to use you in an experiment with the variola virus and if you survive such a “deadly virus” you’ll have your death sentence commuted to life imprisonment, what do you say? Maybe the death row convict would cry, Oh that’s not bioethical!!

      • You miss my entire point that there is room for both terrain and germ theory – each without the other is inadequate to begin to understand complex stochastic chaotic system dynamics. Life is not black and white – extremism and exclusion of recognition of opposite ends of a spectrum are incompatible with true understanding.

        Why dont we turn yoiur question back at you?..where is your controlled double blinded study that demonstrates that smallpox or any other viral infection disease state can be induced in an individual in the absence of introduction of an isolate of the corresponding germ. What exactly are the terrain state variable/conditions that must be present and that are deterministically reproducible that will induce the diseases otherwise attributed to viral induction. No anecdotal or historical perponderance of evidence or correlation will be accepted – murder can only be proved if the body is found (oops I think they are going to prosecute that guy in Conn ? even without his wife’s body..is it enuf that the have cell phone tracking placing him near a crematorium post murder and video of purchase of $450 cleaning supplies)

        Why not allow for both recognition of both terrain and infectious organism/particles as co-contributors in disease processes?

        • JMS says:

          I note that you do not have an answer to my question. Thanks.
          As for the rest, maybe you don’t study logic in science courses, but let me remind you that the burden of proof always rests with those who make a supposedly scientific claim, not those who question it. See here:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

        • banned says:

          As a outsider this seems like “is light particle or wave” debate. People have tidy paradigms that get disturbed by other paradigms.

          It seems to me there are aspects to both sars cov 2 and the injection substances that are outside of human understanding. I imagine its like this to a existing dominant species if a new dominant species arrives. The existing dominant species can only regard things within its framework and it can not encompass what is occurring.

          A good instance is me. Based on my experience there is no possible way that the injection substances were developed let alone a characterized product and manufacturing process within the time frame we are told. So I then assume other possibilities within my paradigms frame. Previous product development. Incredibly substandard manufacture. I can only place observed phenomena within my paradigm/framework. I continue to have a feeling that what we witness is completely outside of all paradigms and frameworks. That is completely contrary to contemporary human culture. It is always assumed that if we dont understand we are capable of understanding. It is always assumed that are capability to disregard 99% of our sensory input and acting on the 1% that is filtered largely through a unlearned process is superior.
          Our base process is natural, learned processes/paradigms only exist within the base process and all seem unable to define what we witness.

          In the modern world we disallow what is considered the supernatural. All things that fall outside of our natural and learned processes fall into the supernatural. Our religions teach us not to walk in the supernatural that it is a unforgiving realm and probably with good reason. Thus occurrences that occur that can only be placed in the supernatural get ignored or forced into boxes that simply dont fit in our natural and learned process/paradigms.

          My response to what we observe is to try to fall back on the only human characteristic I truly value. Compassion. I am comfortable in that response. Whether it is appropriate is unknown.

          • reante says:

            thanks banned, I appreciate that though as you well no I’m of a different mind to some of it. nostraightpath pronounces from up on high that terrain theory is an inadequate explanatory tool but, not surprisingly, doesn’t say why. terrain theory is not inadequate, and the terrain and germ theories are obviously mutually exclusive because the beneficial anaerobes and exosomes of terrain theory can’t simultaneously be pathogenic germs just as the ‘pathogenic’ anaerobes and ‘viruses’ under germ theory can’t simultaneously be beneficial. Some things in a universe that is itself based on polarity are in fact black and white – obviously! Lol.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Yes but have you got any Shad to offer Fast Eddy?

  12. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    Why are Millennials having so many strokes?
    Millennials are reversing a 40-year decline in stroke deaths.
    millennials
    Credit: peterschreiber.media / Adobe Stock
    KEY TAKEAWAYS

    Now ranging in age from 27 to 42, Millennials are suffering strokes at higher rates than their forebears did at the same age. Childhood obesity may be the biggest contributor to early stroke, and Millennials were the first generation truly to be affected by this alarming trend. Childhood obesity rates have more than tripled since 1978. The best solution to reverse the rise in early stroke is for Millennials and future generations to eat right and exercise, especially from a young age.

    Childhood obesity is particularly noxious in regard to early stroke, and Millennials were the first generation to truly be affected by this alarming trend. The rate of childhood obesity more than tripled from 5% in 1978 to 18.5% in 2016, leaving many more children burdened by associated conditions such as diabetes and hypertension, which can lead to a stroke.

    Diet and exercise
    The best solution to reverse the rise in early stroke is for Millennials and future generations to eat right and exercise, especially from a young age. Schools and parents have a vital role to play here. Obesity’s grasp can be hard to break if it takes hold at a tender age, but if healthy lifestyle practices are instilled early, it’s likely they will remain second nature.

    https://bigthink.com/health/millennials-strokes/

    No need to address the Rat Juice…because it’s safe and effective and any harm is rare and worth the risk…sarcasm

  13. Herbie Ficklestein. says:

    MarketWatch
    Two-fifths of older workers ‘delaying retirement’ because of inflation, markets
    Brett Arends
    Mon, January 23, 2023 at 12:48 PM EST
    BRETT ARENDS’S ROI How do America’s working stiffs feel about their retirement savings? There’s a new survey out, and pretty much everything in it depresses me. Retirement confidence is way down. Retirement anxiety is way up.

    Wait till the all across layoffs occur and the telltale sign will be when the Airlines have downsizing layoffs without early buyout retirement offers

  14. According to Oil Price:
    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Netherlands-To-Shut-Down-Europes-Largest-Gas-Field.html
    Netherlands to Shut Down Europe’s Largest Gas Field

    According to the article:

    “It’s very, very simple: everybody who has some knowledge of earthquake danger tells me that it’s really very dangerous to keep on producing there. I’m quite convinced it’s wise to close it down,” Vijbrief told the FT.

    .

    Some background:

    BP data shows that natural gas production in Netherlands has been dropping rapidly. Production peaked at 75.3 billion cubic meters in 2010; in 2021, production of natural gas in Netherlands was down to only 18.1 billion cubic meters. Closure of the big field in Netherlands has been predicted for quite a while.

    Consumption of natural gas in Netherlands was 35.1 billion cubic meters, so at the recent level of production, local production was only covering about half of Netherlands’ own natural gas consumption.

    The largest producers of natural gas in Europe in 2021 were:

    Norway 114.3 bcm
    UK 32.7 bcm
    Ukraine 18.6 bcm
    Romania 8.5 bcm

    Total production was 210.4 bcm.

    Europe consumes far more than it produces. It consumed 571.1 bcm in 2021, led by

    Germany 90.5 bcm
    UK 76.9 bcm
    Italy 72.5 bcm
    Turkey 57.3 bcm
    France 42.0 bcm

  15. My wife and I homeschool our 13 yr. old granddaughter. I recently saw a graph showing the U.S. federal debt. When my granddaughter was born in 2009 the debt was $9 trillion (round numbers). Today it stands at around $31 trillion.

    Because my granddaughter knows how to calculate exponential growth, I gave her the numbers and asked her to calculate the annual % growth in the U.S. debt since her birth.

    After a minute or so of calculations she told me that it was a 9.5 % annual increase.
    Wow!

    If you apply the “Rule of 70” (70 divided by the annual % increase gives the doubling time). Dividing 70 by the 9.5% gives just over 7 years until we would reach $62 trillion of debt!

    This makes the 2.3% annual increase of “Gigajoules of Energy Per Capita” (see Figure 1 in Gail’s current post) look rather benign. Not really. If something continues to grow at 2.3% a year for a century then the final quantity will be 10X what it was initially.

    Draw your own conclusions.

    • Retired Librarian says:

      In my years as a public librarian, the homeschooled children were the best educated. Your grandchild is lucky to have you.

      • Rodster says:

        +++++

      • Herbie Ficklestein says:

        Look at this video of Nate Hagen..

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kenYwfu92f8&t=2419s

        Is this the end of economic growth?
        2K views · 8 days ago…more

        Decouple Media
        5.75K

        • Nate Hagens has an MBA from the University of Chicago. He is good on the financial end of things. He sees the growing debt situation as unsustainable as I do.

          The numbers he gives make sense.

          • Herbie Ficklestein. says:

            Thanks Gail for the follow up review..
            I found this video a great one that adds to the one with Art Berman…If his analysis is correct we are in deep recession this decade and never coming out, same as what you have pointed in out here many times over.
            Yes, interesting he background is finance and explains why he branched out to energy

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Hahaha fantastic — confirmation that intelligence is stooopidity … we found all this energy — and burned it — and now we have 8B people and we are f789ed

            He’s got it wrong re BAU Lite though

    • Herbie Ficklestein. says:

      Looks as if Uncle Sam is going way of a SH#TOLE Banana Republic.
      WOW…that’s what the other Nations are thinking too about having the Greenback as a Reserve Currency…wait till a real recession hits..SHTF..
      No doubt, they have a path for a reset…
      Thank you for the math…most helpful
      You are doing fine with your homeschooling…
      Just had an NYT article about Boomer Generation and are they prepared to have Elder care …not with that math they’re not…

    • The economy needs both an increase in energy and an increase in debt to grow. The amount of debt increase has risen higher and higher. At a zero interest rate, this approach looks almost sustainable. Once the interest rate is much above zero, huge interest payments become a problem.

  16. Marco Bruciati says:

    I think next articol of gail must title…..why oilprice Will explode in our face in March

    • Herbie Ficklestein. says:

      Oil edges higher as traders remain optimistic on China demand
      Provided by Dow Jones
      Jan 24, 2023 7:52 AM EST
      By William Watts
      Natural gas lifted by forecasts for colder weather
      Oil futures rose Tuesday, underpinned by continued optimism over the demand outlook from China after the country dropped COVID restrictions.
      Natural-gas futures extended a bounce after forecasts pointed to a turn back to colder U.S. weather
      Crude oil prices saw a mixed finish Monday, with WTI losing ground as Brent extended its winning streak to a third session. Expectations for a pickup in crude demand from China has served to support crude since beginning the year with a dip.
      Continued weakness for the U.S. dollar, which has seen the ICE U.S. Dollar Index slip 1.4% to begin 2023, has also provided support for commodities priced in the unit. A weaker dollar makes them less expensive to users of other currencies.
      Some analysts contend crude’s gains remain underwhelming relative to other commodities.
      Expectations for a recovery in Chinese demand “have yet to translate into substantial gains for crude oil, whose rebound has been somewhat tame compared with other commodities such as copper, amid some concerns about how smooth China’s reopening will be,” said Raffie Boyadjian, lead investment analyst at XM, in a note.
      WTI is up 2.1% so far in January, based on the most actively traded contract, while Brent has risen 2.8%. Copper has jumped nearly 12% over the same stretch.
      Natural gas has rebounded after a sharp slump to begin the year amid unseasonably warm temperatures across much of the U.S. Natural-gas remains down more than 20% so far in January, after a selloff that left the commodity deeply oversold and vulnerable to a short-covering rally, wrote analysts at Sevens Report Research.
      “Looking ahead, more volatile trade is likely with the market susceptible to squeezy rallies, but the current trend is decidedly bearish right now with a break below $3.00 a distinct possibility in the months ahead,” they wrote.

    • I have trouble forecasting that oil prices will explode in our face in March. One big difficulty is that food prices would also explode in our face. Political leaders would not let that happen. They would think about another alternative, such as war, to distract attention from the problems the world is facing. Oil prices might still explode, but then there would be the war to blame. The story then would be about the war, and the need for food rationing to support the war.

      • Dennis L. says:

        I wonder how many leaders/politicians are starting to mentally break down. If one works what I call 110% of power, it works until it doesn’t and then things start to break down, physically and mentally no matter how strong, no matter how good.

        Don’t ask me how I know.

        Dennis L.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Even though they know UEP is a prudent plan… it avoids ROF… but still…

          Assisting with murdering 8B MOREONS – would be a stressful situation for anyone.

          I am not sure why given they are ok with this

          https://t.me/leaklive/11666
          https://cubeoftruth.com/av

          I’d be more than happy to volunteer to be the hangman for the MOREONS… vile wicked beasts. If I felt myself wavering I’d watch the chicken video again

  17. Fast Eddy says:

    norm what are your thoughts on this?

    https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/44267

    Huff would support it

  18. Mrs S says:

    This is a fascinating article in The Guardian. It’s an interview with Prof Mark Jacobson about his book ‘No miracles needed’: on how wind, sun and water can power the world’

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/23/no-miracles-needed-prof-mark-jacobson-on-how-wind-sun-and-water-can-power-the-world

    Jacobson believes progress towards a 100% renewable energy system can be fast: “The goal is 80% by 2030, and 100% by 2050. But, ideally, if we can get 80% by 2030, we should get 100% by 2035 to 2040.”

    “Storage can be batteries, pumped hydro, flywheels, compressed air and lowering and raising heavy weights.”

    We’re saved!

    • D. Stevens says:

      I’m confident humanity will get to 100% renewable energy in a generation or three. It will require some adjustments to living standards and population levels.

    • Jef Jelten says:

      I know you are being sarcastic but a monumental push like that would require twice as much copper as we have ever produced at a time when copper is becoming exponentially more expensive and scarce with out those pressures.

      https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Mining-Giant-Glencore-Sees-Huge-Deficit-In-Copper-Coming.html

    • drb753 says:

      extremely fascinating. the underlying physics is at kulm level, and there is no denying the charm of the old landed classes. the world has lost a lot by not keeping universities where the landed scions were given automatic professorships in the hard sciences. not only we are going to solve all energy problems, we are going to the stars!

    • Mark Jacobson’s bizarre ideas have been around for well over a decade. I know I started writing about them back in Oil Drum days. His writing appears in the peer reviewed literature. His ridiculous beliefs are what form the backbone of the beliefs of many that we can transition to a renewable future.

      People don’t understand why assumptions in models can be very wrong. This is why this kind of “scientific modeling” is popular.

      • Mrs S says:

        Thanks Gail, I didn’t know that.

      • ivanislav says:

        I should really just get with the program. Blather something optimistic, scribble a few incorrect equations that no one will bother to check because wokesters can’t do arithmetic, and presto: think tank income, media coverage, and social status!

        • Blathering something optimistic is a way to get a promotion, within a university. Also, many journals today have incorporated “sustainability” into their titles. They are desperate to get things to publish. Many of these journals are “pay to publish” journals. Once you have paid your fee, there is a high probability that your article will pass peer review and be published. In fact, it an article is not very optimistic, peer reviewers (or journal editors) may turn it down.

        • Ed says:

          ivan, excellent idea. I am looking forward to your solution.

        • banned says:

          Early in my formal education I had blown off a assignment and was confronted by the teacher. I came up with a line of BS that was honest but creative. Honest in that both the teacher and I knew it was BS but the BS was cute and innovative.

          She was not amused. She told me “one day you are going to present BS and it will not be good enough”.

          Somehow this had a effect on me. I endeavored to incorporate real results in my efforts and eschew BS.

          She was wrong. The modern world eats swims and dances in BS. It is no wonder that people practice PHDs in BS and are compensated with wealth. Its sure as hell easier than head banging nails. Yet somehow I still value her feedback so long ago.

    • Ed says:

      Mark has himself a money maker selling hope. He will never let go.

    • Withnail says:

      There seems to be a good video about his crazy theories here.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1jGoHPG3JE

      the plan calls for almost 500,000 wind turbines 35 storeys in height, and 14.5 billion square meters of utility solar panels.

    • Agamemnon says:

      Optimism is helpful but we’ll go with Gail on this.
      Back to geothermal, it’s growing.
      I think the cheapest is simply heat exchanging inside/outside air.

      Here’s a more in depth short primer:
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PI45yUhUWgk

      Too bad this scheme isn’t incorporated in new town center developments to take advantage of scale.
      There’s alway drainage ponds in these places that I think can be sunken or insulated for a better heat storage.

      But that Seneca oil cliff might be a thing rather than a ghost

      • Electricity is expensive compared to burning fuel, such as natural gas, directly. We have an “air source heat pump,” heating the partially finished basement. It tends to cost more for the electricity than heating the rest of the house with natural gas costs.

        The other issue is that electricity usage is often pretty much maxed out, in cold parts of the world, during cold spells. Putting more electricity “demand” on the grid, at a time when electricity supplies are very tight, is a great way to run up electricity prices. During the cold spell just before Christmas, I know that there were rolling blackouts in the area of the Tennessee Valley Authority (Tennessee and Kentucky). One reason given was the high percentage of homes heated with electricity. Also, the cold weather knocked out some electrical generation.

  19. Fast Eddy says:

    Adele Roberts’ bowel cancer; Brazilian singer Preta Gil’s bowel cancer; Labour MP Tony Lloyd has cancer; BBC presenter Jenny Gow’s “serious stroke”; Venezuelan Boris Izaguirre’s stroke on his TV show

    https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/adele-roberts-bowel-cancer-brazilian

    • Rodster says:

      Lovely, now that’s good news this morning and yet no one is willing to at least ask questions. So I say f789 them all.

  20. MG says:

    A lot of the people needs to be healed from the growth paradigm. That is why there is so much violence, oppression, misunderstanding, unfulfilled expectations.

    Your poorer and poorer neighbor can not compete with your aggression and your demands for more and more.

  21. Fast Eddy says:

    They brought something over… call it X if you want – it killed millions in a place where X did not exist before…

    Prove it was not X

    Ah right — it was a mass purge making them healthy – except they actually died … by the millions

    You been played bro

  22. Fast Eddy says:

    Now there’s so many excess deaths in Denmark that the news reports that funeral directors cannot find space to store all those people dying.
    So even our news reports it now.

    https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/regionale/fyn/bedemaend-mangler-plads-til-kister-med-afdoede-vi-kan-jo-ikke-saette-en-kiste

    @DowdEdward

    National rollout of defibrillators in schools has begun.

    https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2023-01-20/dad-finally-sees-defibrillators-rolled-out-in-schools-after-decade-long-campaign

    hey norm … does this awaken you from your spike induced coma? ‘take down the bbc – shame on you’ https://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/44246

  23. Fast Eddy says:

    Where Did All The Workers Go?

    Heart attacks, strokes, pulmonary embolisms, accidents, and many seemingly-inexplicable sudden deaths, which continued into 2022, and now in 2023…

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/where-did-all-workers-go

  24. Fast Eddy says:

    Um… when someone in this house comes home with an illness — and the rest of the house gets the same illness… I’m thinking something has been passed from one person to another. We call it a virus – feel free to call it X if that makes you feel better. But something is being passed along

    That is logic not an assumption.

  25. Cheese can cause nightmares says:

    Ghislaine Maxwell claims photo of Prince Andrew with Virginia Giuffre is fake

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/01/22/ghislaine-maxwell-claims-photo-prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre/

    From the article:

    Prince Andrew is said to have consulted his lawyers after Ms Giuffre dropped her sexual abuse claim against Alan Dershowitz, a US lawyer, admitting after an eight-year legal battle that she “may have made a mistake” in claiming he had abused her as a teenager.

    (My thoughts: do you EVER forget who you had sex with, after YEARS of thinking you knew?)

    ———————-
    From the article:

    Mr Dershowitz, who has always argued that the Duke could have won his case against Ms Giuffre and should never have settled, told The Telegraph: “In law, with creative lawyers, it’s never too late. Nothing’s impossible.”

    (My thoughts: CREATIVE lawyers? You need to get creative with the TRUTH?)

    ———————-
    From the article:

    Maxwell said “I’ve read a lot of [Ms Giuffre’s] depositions, and her statements are very categorical and her stories are very detailed and elaborate, including claiming that she went to his [Mr Dershowitz’s] house. So I think her ‘memory lapses’ are disingenuous. When you give a lot of details and make claims that last five, six or seven years, and then suddenly at the last moment decide that it was a memory lapse, I find that hard to credit.”

    (My thoughts: so just how did Ms Giuffre give very detailed and elaborate stories and a lot of details over 5, 6, 7 years without anybody challenging those details? Did she in fact know what she was talking about? Jeffrey Epstein is now dead – he can’t talk. Have powerful people now put the frighteners on Ms Giuffre so that she will no longer tell what she knows? Epstein is dead and Ms Giuffre won’t now talk. Convenient? ).

    ——————————————–
    Is Mr Dershowitz actually squeaky clean? This takes a while to load, but see:

    http://www.renegadetribune.com/why-did-alan-dershowitz-have-a-sex-doll-on-his-couch-in-bbc-panorama

    But I’m just asking questions and ultimately know no more than anybody else.

  26. Ed says:

    Fast how is your trip to Oz going?

  27. Student says:

    (Il Paragone)

    11 million of Italians have been without ‘libero’ and ‘virgilio’ mail since yesterday and they still are now.
    The failure has not been explained well…
    The provider said it inderstood the problem, but nothing happens…

    https://www.ilparagone.it/attualita/libero-virgilio-down-che-succede-disservizi-per-11-milioni-italiani/

  28. https://www.theburningplatform.com/2023/01/22/2023-fourth-turning-meets-mass-formation-psychosis/

    2023: FOURTH TURNING MEETS MASS FORMATION PSYCHOSIS

    Excerpt:

    Decades of psychological deterioration of the masses due to their pointless occupations, meaningless lives, mass media and government school indoctrination, and feelings of purposelessness, despair, and anxiety set the foundation for the onset of this covid driven mass formation psychosis. The free-floating anxiety infecting hundreds of millions around the globe was seeking a conduit to channel their fears and fantasizing about becoming part of a crusade for the greater good.

    All that was needed was a virus with a scary name, a billion-dollar marketing campaign, a narrative spun by a well-compensated media, corrupt politicians and Deep State actors seeking to depose a president, and a plethora of unethical “experts” willing to sell their souls to Big Pharma. Once the covid narrative was connected to their free-floating anxiety a global swindle was born.

    • ivanislav says:

      “pointless occupations, meaningless lives”

      As society moves further and further from subsistence, occupations are more and more useless. Ted Kaczynski talked about this in his manifesto. To me, a degree of meaning can still be found in the pursuit of true/fundamental technology development, medicine (life and death), and scientific discovery.

      • Jef Jelten says:

        Seriously? Meaning is found by using the very thing that is destroying all life on the most wondrous planet in all the cozmose? BS!

        Meaning is found in nature, something that humans have almost no understanding of and are therefore afraid of, and therefore seek to destroy. Successfully I might add.

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          “meaning” is a human construct.

          each person has their own subjective standard for what is or isn’t “meaning”.

          no personal standard is right or wrong, it just is.

          each person dies and their “meaning” is erased from the Universe forever.

          ultimately, with human extinction, there will be no more “meaning” on Earth, unless a new conscious species arises in the next few hundred million years.

        • Withnail says:

          We don’t destroy nature. We are nature. Nothing we do is unnatural.

          • JMS says:

            We are not nature, only natural, and it cannot be denied that destroying is a natural occupation of all living beings. But not all living beings are smart enough to destroy their natural habitat by overcrowding. This award is entirely ours, humans, and credit must be given to those who deserve it.

            • Withnail says:

              But not all living beings are smart enough to destroy their natural habitat by overcrowding.

              We have done what any species would do. Nothing special about humans.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              We have done what any species would do, if they were burdened by intelligence. Nothing special about humans.

              Fixed it for ya

            • I agree. We know that when grape juice changes to wine, the yeast multiplies as it eats the available sugars and secretes alcohol as a byproduct. When the alcohol level becomes high enough to become toxic, the yeast die and the wine is ready.

              Different types of yeast are able to withstand higher alcohol levels than others.

              This is the way the system always works.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Of course all animals have this propensity … but they are unable to indulge themselves because they lack…

              ‘Intelligence’

              That is a problem – a deficiency – that is a trait of only one species… humans.

              We are the only species that thinks driving a car is awesome – that manufacturing a car is desirable.

              Fast Eddy should write a book on this – Why Intelligence is Stupidity

              I wonder if anyone would buy it?

            • JMS says:

              “We have done what any species would do.”

              Mere conjecture.

            • Mike Roberts says:

              Withnail said (regarding overshoot),

              We have done what any species would do. Nothing special about humans.

              I’m of that opinion also. Humans are a species and all species access whatever resources they can until some equilibrium is reached and this sometimes involve a collapse of population. Fossil fuels enabled us to access huge amounts of resources, enabling the population to explode. That will end and be followed by a crash. I can’t see how it could be any other way.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Too bad humans are so smart …. name another species that paves over the planet and grows it’s population into mass overshoot — guaranteeing extinction when the artificial means of feeding itself … expires

              hahaha… dumbest f789ing species ever.. unrivalled stooopidity

              But you can’t understand that … can you mike…. few can.

              Like I said… dumbest f789ing species ever… I have pointed out the most obvious thing …

              And the response is — other species would do the same… but they don’t … and they never do…

              Cuz there are not clever

              hahahahaha…

              Fast Eddy is truly Great. I vote Fast Eddy for God

        • Xabier says:

          Nature doesn’t cater well to human vanity: her message is one of cosmic insignificance and inevitable mortality, the fragility of everything good and beautiful – or even just crudely powerful – made by men or naturally arising.

          Technological development disguised as ‘Progress’ is much more flattering, and offers the satisfaction of real apparent advances and increases in power, rather than contemplation of the cycles of change and ultimate human powerlessness.

          Moreover, it pays the bills, which my meditations in the woods today certainly didn’t!

          • JMS says:

            The fact that nature constantly reminds us of our fragility is why homo technologicus fears and hates it. In the mind of homo techologicus nature means death, and homo-tech great aspiration is to retrieve the eternity they lost with God’s disappearing act in the 18th century.

          • Kowalainen says:

            Well, without the tech we wouldn’t be here debating it’s pitfalls together with cheap fossil fuels, and it’s consequences of causing population overshoot and mental illness.

            I guess we know a bit more, but the cost is hefty. In the mean time:

            YOLO!
            Hypers gonna HYPER!
            MOARons gonna MOAR!
            Tryhards gonna TRYHARD!
            Anddd it’s all GONE!

            It is what it is.
            A lost cause.
            Next!
            🛸💨💨🌍💥☄️☄️☄️

            🤣👍👍

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The PR Team has been prepping the MOREONS for decades for this moment …

        They even altered the education system to ensure mass compliance — notice how the uni students are in lock step supporting the masks and jabs… that is not an accident

        when it’s our time to be https://t.me/leaklive/11666 we do what we are told… zero resistance…

        Notice how even the anti vaxxers are not turning violent – again that has been programmed into them…

        This is a good thing – the oil is gone – no sense in fighting back

        Our time is up — the wise men are doing the right thing.

        They are avoiding ROF – and kindly UEPping us.

        The author is correct – this will be very fast once we hit the tipping point.

        It will be quite exciting — but also frightening for most. For those poor animals… it cannot come soon enough

        • Fred says:

          UEP might apply to the decadent West, but Russia, China and India etc. will chug along for a while yet.

          More likely the West will subside into being a deprived and steadily depopulated backwater, unless its nutso leadership class decides it can’t bear the thought of that and goes for all out war.

        • ivanislav says:

          We’ve got a lot of coal left to burn. It’s going to be great.

          I just can’t wait for our steam-punk-retro future: aviator goggles, genetic enhancement, blimp sailboats, scrappy children roaming in street gangs, the whole nine yards!

          The key is to maintain enough infrastructure for hot showers and coffee. Without those, I’m calling it quits.

          • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

            also, the resources for the production and delivery of dark chocolate must remain.

            my meaning is found there. 😉

            • Lastcall says:

              I must have Gin
              And Coffee
              And Cream to go with the long black.

              And …
              …well that will do.
              Don’t want to be tooo privileged.

          • Withnail says:

            We’ve got a lot of coal left to burn. It’s going to be great.

            Not without cheap diesel we don’t.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Calm down. The Germans has it figured out.

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer%E2%80%93Tropsch_process
              As a premier example of C1 chemistry, the Fischer–Tropsch process is an important reaction in both coal liquefaction and gas to liquids technology for producing liquid hydrocarbons.[2] In the usual implementation, carbon monoxide and hydrogen, the feedstocks for FT, are produced from coal, natural gas, or biomass in a process known as gasification. The process then converts these gases into synthetic lubrication oil and synthetic fuel.[3]

              Can you hear it? Let’s sing along.

              YOLO!
              Hypers gonna hyper!
              Tryhards gonna tryhard!
              MOARons gonna moaron!
              Aaaanddd, it’s all GONE!

              It is what it is.
              🤭👍

          • Replenish says:

            “The key is to maintain enough infrastructure for hot showers and coffee. Without those, I’m calling it quits.”

            There will be hot showers and near coffee.

            When we built our hunting camp in the early 80’s we placed 2 black plastic barrels full of water on the roof and setup a shower stall withcurtain for hot showers. Cold beer was stored in make-shift spring house that also provided rinsing water from an old gravity fed hose. Builder friend decided to drink all the beer until well after dark and got a cold shower instead. Barrels can also be situated in a stand in a sunny spot and be filled with rainwater depending on the height of your roof or shed. Chickory root is a substitute for coffee.. the leaves are passable for salad greens.

            • Xabier says:

              The Vikings managed a hot bath once a week: that’s how they got the local girls who thought they smelled better than the English…

              Of course, the less one washes the less one feels the need of it.

    • Jane says:

      Right, blame it on the victim: the massive propaganda rollout within a couple of weeks that looked basically the same worldwide; 24/7 fearmongering using fake videos and faded case and death data; the insidious secret program by a branch of the UK government and doubtless by other govts to effect and if needed enforce behavioral change (get the vax) using a large menu of manipulative techniques mainly based on fear, snitching, and peer pressure; refuse people access to their normal healthcare providers and facilities so that they get sicker; lock elderly in nursing homes so that relatives cannot visit them, causaing massive pscyhic distress for all parties; take steps that result in people losing their jobs, children disallowed from school, businesses close so that more people are without resources and lose their investment in their businesses; etc. etc. ew5 . . .

      and then, AND THEN, blame a “mass psychosis” on the people’s “isolation” and—the kicker—“free-floating anxiety” that was t here all the time and allowed them to be HYPNOTIZED, just waiting to pop up because there is something wrong with the people and that is why they were HYPNOTIZED . . . by WHAT? Themselves????

      What a load of BOLLOCKS. I read that article at Zero Hedge and I retched. This Desmet shite is some kind of limited hangout. How can anyone with a functioning memory swallow this shite. Don’t you see that Desmet is a perfect example of GASLIGHTING. A perfect example. Much closer to the original, the eponymous film *Gaslight,” than the term as it is now genereally used.

      Recall the plot of that film: The Bergman character is repeatedly told by her scheming husband that what she is perceiving is her imagination and she is crazy. What she is seeing is not real. The husband’s gaslighting is designed to drive his wife crazy by convincing her that what she is seeing is not real, is her imagination, her hallucination. In just the same way perpetrators of this disaster would like via misdirection—supplied by those such as Desmet and now it seems Dr. robert Malone—to divert the public gaze from who and what has actually designed, planned, and carried out a gigantic pys-op and health disaster. Desmet’s theory instead tells people to understand that they themselves are responsible for all that has happened because they suffer from “mass formation psychosis.” Their perceptions of being attacked, thwarted in their normal lives, and persecuted if they wanted to go on a walk or to the beach are hallucinations—no one has been doing this to them, persecuting them and making their lives unlivable, causing people to new forms of Sophie’s Choice (choose between jab and job, jab and birthday party, jab and travel, jab and just about everythihg), and actually destroying lives.!! It just “happened” because they went crazy all at the same time. They CHOSE to become mentally ill and demand to be jabbed and wreck their normal lives. They did it to themselves. No one at the WHO, at the Gates Foundation, at the CDC or the NIH or Cuomo in NY or European govs that sent police out to beat protestors—none of these enforcers of the new social control via jab and jab apps and docs actually DID anything.

      It was the people who all just went crazy by themselves because of their mental weakness and “mass formation.” TOTAL BS.

      Jesus, how can anyone take Desmet and his intellectual crap seriously.

      • ivanislav says:

        From this post it sounds like you and fam may have gotten the jab and now aren’t so thrilled about it. Is that right?

      • Lidia17 says:

        Jane, that’s an excellent summation. When Desmet first rolled on the scene, I was receptive, and even printed out an interview of his to share with a small “rebel” group that had been meeting during lockdown.. this was back in Sept. ’21.

        I think I was just relieved that there was *some* sort of “explanation” for why everyone I knew had gone crazy. Why the anti-pharma, anti-war, anti-corporate people were now pro-pharma, pro-war, pro-corporate, etc.

        I think there are still certain aspects of his theory that are correct: one being that people are unlikely to give up a position arrived at by fear unless supplanted by another fear. There is definitely still a herd element that people act out, but -you’re
        right- the direction the herd takes isn’t its own… we have extremely well-trained Border Collies to steer them (using fear). Fear and doughnuts!

        I have always been skeptical of Malone, and his ridiculous lawsuit to do with Desmet only makes both Malone and Desmet look less credible. I’m not sure why he is calling negative attention to himself with that move.. what do you think?

      • Lidia17 says:

        Someone in The Burning Platform comments excerpted this, from Breggins (the guy Malone is suing):

        “The simple truth is that what Desmet calls mass formation or mass hypnosis is the response of normal human beings to extreme threats and harassments, and the loss of personal freedom. Add to that the isolation that was more widespread and rampant when he was finishing his book in November 2021 and the escalating threat to our constitutional democracies — it would be a miracle if anyone survived unscathed.

        “Consistent with blaming the victim, Desmet says there are no conspiracies behind COVID-19. None. No one planned all the destructive policies, strategies, and practices. It was a series of human mistakes and poor judgment, typical of ordinary people doing their best. In fact, there were and are no malignant or purposefully destructive forces at work, and there is no evil either. Desmet argues there was not even enough secrecy to call it a conspiracy in what little planning was attempted. Desmet can only hold this position by ignoring the 8-10,000 year history of elites conspiring against everyone else to build fiefdoms and empires, and by neglecting the many contemporary reports and books about the elaborate planning behind the unfolding of the pandemic, including our book, COVID-!9 and the Global Predators: We Are the Prey.”

        https://www.americaoutloud.com/mattias-desmet-mass-hypnosis-expert-or-trojan-horse-the-full-story/

        I haven’t read Desmet’s book; I wasn’t aware he explicitly rejects “conspiracy theories”

        • JMS says:

          I didn’t follow Desmet’s public career after the initial contact many moons ago, not least because I never saw anything original in what he said. Crowd psychology and the critique of the common man as a mass date back at least to Gustave le Bon and passed through the more or less accurate pen of people like Ortega y Gasset, Bernay, Wilhelm Reich or Elias Canetti.
          But rejecting the idea of conspiracy is as silly as denying the existence of racketeering, and Dr Desmett can only be classified as one of two things: a scared denialist or just another Dr. Shill. Both situations disqualify him as a credible analyst.

          • Jane says:

            JMS:

            I watched a fairly long presentation by Desmet on Reiner Fuellmich’s Corona Ausschuss. At first I was kind of nodding agreement. But then i actually paid attention and I realzed that it is lazy thinking, based on stereotypes and hazy “accepted” concepts about the Nazis, the Germans, and the Third Reich.

            It is my recollection that Fuellmich also was not comfortable with the Desmet theory. Unlike his then colleague, Viviane. Of course the ubiquity of a bunch of cliches means that everyone ) thinks they are an expert on the Third Reich (snark). While not having a clue as to what it means to live under a totalitarian terror state.

            Many Germans are used to the generations=long browbeating and meekly accept any bleeping theory of their guilt as a people for the crimes of the Third Reich.

            Dr. Peter Breggin has also explained in detail his problems with the Desmet view. The primary issue is that Desmet in the end effect blames the victims. In response to Breggin’s criticism, Dr. Robert Malone has sued Dr. Breggin, 86, and his wife, Ginger Breggin, for $25 million. Something is wrong with this whole picture.

            You ask how Malone Desmet fits in with the Desmet scenario. The question is, why has Malone gotten so invested in the Desmet story? Malone is a microbiologist, not a historian. My antennae started to twitch as soon as Malone, on the Joe Rogan show, started going on and on about mass formation pscyhosis, a subject about which he knows nothing.

            I’ll spell out the current state of how I see it .

            The idea that Malone took the jab because he “had to travel” is ludicrous.
            If anyone knew that the jabs were wonky—somewhere between useless and life-threatening—it was Malone.
            Where did he have to travel to?
            Vacation?
            When did he start to “regret” it?
            When the s—started to hit the fan when true health advocates such as Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Zelenko started to hit the air waves?

            I expect he got a saline jab and decided to “come out” re “regretting” when the timing was right, for him or for someone else.
            He is now on the public bandwagon and has some kind of political role to play.
            Surprised that you would fall for this.

            Regarding “mass formation,” Le Bon, Desmet, et al., and now the microbiologist Malone (!!), surely you can see that this theory basically is a misdirection away from the real target: the planners of this whole psy-op.
            Who are still, BTW, planning.
            It’s all just people’s “hysteria”!
            Here is C. J. Hopkins clarifying what should be obvious:

            “Let me try to refresh your memory.

            In March and April of 2020, in the course of roughly five to six weeks, the majority of societies throughout the world were transformed into pathologized-totalitarian police states. A global “shock-and-awe” campaign was conducted. Constitutional rights were suspended. The masses were locked down inside their homes, where they were subjected to the most massive official propaganda blitzkrieg in human history. Goon squads roamed the streets of Europe, the USA, the UK, Canada, Australia, Asia, the Americas, and elsewhere [don’t forget poor little New Zealand with its WEF zealot PM Jacinda Ardern]]], beating and arresting people for being outdoors without permission and not wearing medical-looking masks. Corporate media around the world informed us that life as we knew it was over … a “new normal” was coming, and we needed to get used to it.

            “The entire official pandemic narrative was rolled out during those first few weeks. Everything. Masks. Mandatory “vaccines.” “Vaccination” passports. The segregation of “the Unvaccinated.” The censorship and demonization of dissent. Everything. The whole “New Normal” package. It was rolled out all at once, globally. . . .”

            According to folks like Alex Berenson, and Desmet, and now Malone, “ the events of the last three years [are] simply due to mass hysteria. . . . people just went kind of crazy, and overreacted, and “mistakes were made.””

            Malone appears to be positioning himself to helm this limited hangout and is using Desmet to get things straight on the ground floor: “Nothing to see here, and you all are just hysterical, suffering from mass formation psychosis.”

            https://consentfactory.org/2023/01/11/the-mother-of-all-limited-hangouts/

            The obvious question is:
            Why is Malone so invested in the Desmet idea? Why would he go so far as to SUE DR. PETER BREGGIN, 86, AND HIS WIFE for $25 million? WTF???

            Breggin must represent a clear danger to the Malone-Desmet alliance. What kind of danger? Why would they attack him? Could it be because the Breggins, in their book “Covid 19 and the Global Predators: We Are the Prey,” call out and document who is behind this psy-op? Could it be because Breggin is the real deal when it comes to ethics, unlike the oddly positioned Malone and Desmet? Breggin has compiled a fifty-year record as a patient advocate who has successfully battled Big Pharma on behalf of patients and knows abuse of patients when he sees it. Breggin knows what kind of criminals find homes in Big Pharma corporate offices and labs. You might want to read his Wiki entry.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Breggin

            It could be speculated that Malone has some kind of political ambitions and has been “chosen” to represent the anti-covid forces in a way that leaves the actual culprits behind the curtain and further bamboozles a public currently subject to multiple forms of psychological warfare and campaigns geared toward behavioral manipulations.

            • reante says:

              Thanks so much for the rundown Jane. Flawless analysis. As if no one was driving the bus…. The cooptation of the very real mass formation — in extending it to include the elite planners of it — is just more lies to make the managed society of manufactured consent look self-organizing when it’s anything but. Under the manufactured national socialisms the vaxxes will be seen by leadership as a foolish and greedy mistake, and a catastrophe of public policy, but not what it truly is. The truth is always twice removed from the official narrative and once removed from the 99pc dissident narrative, that way they can always stay one step ahead.

            • JMS says:

              Jane, I understand the blaming the victim part of the mass formation theory, since it’s pretty obvious.
              But obvious too are the psychology’s findings about how easy it is to manipulate mass perceptions. >As you know, these Machiavellian manipulation techniques have proved to be quite effective over the last hundred years, in politics or business, showing that through repetition and fear it is possible to make gullible people believe that 2+2=9.

              So I don’t excuse the manipulators, but I also don’t excuse the flock that always uncritically follows the instructions of authorities or charismatic leaders.

              As for Desmet and Malone, they never seemed interesting or credible enough for me to want to waste time with them.

          • Jane says:

            BERNAYS

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Desmet is a MOREON.

      • Tim Groves says:

        I haven’t read Desmet’s book. But after Jane’s rant, maybe I will. I will be surprised if his ideas are quite as cartoonish as she seems to think they are.

        We have all been “gaslighted” and lied too from Day One. And it is no surprise that most of us took the bait and accepted that the pandemic was a danger to us all and that the jabs were the solution.

        Yes, there was “mass formation”, and yes, it was orchestrated from above, and yes, the majority of ordinary people below went along with the orchestra, for various reasons.

        Some did it to keep their jobs, or to avoid social isolation, or because they feared the punishments or were persuaded by the arguments in favor or the incentives that were on offer. Others did it because they are “true believers” who enjoy marching to the tune they are given.

        And some of us–between ten and twenty percent of us I would estimate—saw through most of the “gaslighting” and propaganda and refused to march or to comply. So, well done us!

        I found that over ninety percent of my relatives, friends and acquaintances were content to march, and perhaps half of them were enthusiastic about the entire pandemic pantomime. The many people who made a point of telling me that they were doing their bit every time they took a shot. The man who proudly said his wife was busy sewing colorful masks out of cotton fabrics as a community craft activity—which reminded me of the women in 1984 who got together to make banners for Hate Week. The woman who stood at the front door of here coffee shop with a bottle of disinfectant and wouldn’t allow anyone in without washing their hands in this “holy water”.

        It didn’t take any cattle prodding or shaming on the authorities behalf to get these people motivated. Such people have been programmed to act like that since forever. And there are a lot of them around.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        It seems very simple to me.

        Only a f789ing total RE-tard would inject a substance that has supposedly only existed for a matter of months — there can be no long term safety studies without a long term.

        Yet 6B Re Tard ed MOREONS did that…

        They deserve to die.. Cuz that will cure much of the world’s stooopidity.

        Good f789ing riddance.

        BTW – where is norm? norm – you live on no matter what… FE will not let you fade away …

      • Agamemnon says:

        Yep, let’s not obscure a massive crime.(there’s not too much empathy for Jim jones followers)(at the start I was annoyed there were no masks- doesn’t this lure me in to some ‘mass psychosis’ phenomena? (I’m on the edge of becoming a true believer)
        I do think JQuinn hits hard. Like Tim groves says The true believers are affected by ‘mass psychosis’.
        Lydia, what’s the connection between Malone, desmit, lawsuit?

        • Kowalainen says:

          What is wrong with good quality face masks?

          For sure the face diaper is ugly as a second coat of bovine manure. But hey. A FFP2/3 for sure cuts down on the spittle and mucus originating from the cookie and snot holes.

          It is not a stretch of the imagination that some X (or virus for a better word) might follow the expulsions from those areas.

          • Lidia17 says:

            Masking is one of those things that’s “truthy”, but not actually true.

            I can see that just out of courtesy one wouldn’t want one’s dentist to inadvertently dribble or cough something into one’s open mouth, but otherwise they are meaningless… worse, even:

            Is a Mask Necessary in the Operating Theatre? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952

            Answer: no. In fact, wearing masks made post-surgical infection rates twice as high.

            At the height of lockdown mania, I do remember seeing an image of a letter-to-the-editor published in a British paper, written by a couple of surgeons attesting to the fact that they did not wear masks in their practice. Wish I had downloaded that image.

            • Kowalainen says:

              “Answer: no. In fact, wearing masks made post-surgical infection rates twice as high.”

              Good mouth and nasal cavity hygiene surely beats filtration. Luckily there are excellent products for that in this day and age. Product placement warning: Betadine and its derivatives, and the generic tooth paste, no?

              I doubt those surgeons used anything more ‘advanced’ than, drumroll, surgical masks, which are pretty much useless anyway.

              And we’re not discussing open wounds during surgical procedures, rather the hoi polloi cramped together on a jam packed metro line.

            • One of the nurses in one of the recent reports said that she thought that the reason why so many people were leaving nursing was because the current wearing of masks cut them off from interacting well with patient. It made for very unsatisfying work.

            • Mike Roberts says:

              Gail said,

              One of the nurses in one of the recent reports said that she thought that the reason why so many people were leaving nursing was because the current wearing of masks cut them off from interacting well with patient.

              An anecdote that one nurse thought there might be a particular reason for the exodus is not convincing to me. Are there many/any nurses who have left and stated that is the reason? I would think nurses, who aren’t in it for the money but for the care of patients would be happy to do whatever it takes to keep patients as safe as possible. However, having said that, I have seen very lax use of masking by nurses in hospital.

            • Jane says:

              Dr. Michael Osterholm, the head of CIDRAP, made it very clear in his June 3, 2020 podcast on mask use, that the then recent, new CDC guidance on mask wearing was not based on any science, their documentation had zero to do with mask wearing, it had been shown that masks in a surgery setting did nothing to prevent infections but doctors “just liked to wear them,” etc.

              By July Osterholm was backtracking. This was one of the early red flags that not all was “kosher” with the covid narrative. That and the changed guidance for filling in the “cause-of-death” portion of the death certificate regarding primary and secondary causes of death. I know I have mentioned this earlier, but owing to irregularities in the way both of my parents’ death certificates had been filled out (long prior to covid) I was familiar with the Blue Form (death certificate). Mandating these kinds of changes was just another thing (I believe that was early 2020) that set my antennae twitching.

        • Lidia17 says:

          Malone is suing a certain Dr. Breggins for $25million+ for defamation, as Breggins (a longtime anti-pharma activist in the mental-health realm) has written negatively about Malone and Desmet’s promulgation of the “mass formation” or “mass formation psychosis” theory.

          https://breggin.com/Threats-from-the-Desmet-Malone-Mass-Formations-and-Mass-Psychosis

          This is kind of interesting: Desmet protected a mass-murderer patient (starts around 9min.in)
          https://frankspeech.com/video/dr-breggin-dr-malone-dr-desmet-are-part-deep-state-trying-blind-us-our-enemy

    • Hubbs says:

      Instead of studying the mass formation psychosis advanced by Desmet, I think the real attention should be towards mob formation and the psychology of disinhibition, anger, sprinkled with delusions of entitlement and normalcy bias. In a mob formation, a person loses his sense of individuality and culpability and becomes unleashed, especially if there is no law enforcement. The 2020 Portland /Antifa riots are a Petri dish example of this. If and when the mob realizes that law-enforcement and even armed government control no longer exist then the true anger and desperation of the population will emerge and it might be quite explosive. While arms are flowing through the black market like water in Europe, I suspect a critical mass of armed “disrupters” there has still not been reached. Here in the US with over 300 million guns in the hands of mostly paper tiger 2A advocates and regular passive citizens, this mob threshold is still quite off in the distance, especially since we still enjoy the remnants of the world reserve currency, adequate (although getting more expensive) food, energy.

      For now it’s all about political correctness where every podcaster and politician virtue signals for “peaceful protest and non violence.” What a trope. Simple protesting and “voting” for change ain’t gonna make a bit of difference. We’re too far along for that. Of course what fills the power vacuum may be worse.-Robespierre style. I think the best we can hope for and which may still be the most likely scenario, at least in my lifetime, is to just endure the slow grind. “Survivors” will fall back into smaller more localized communities and build back from the bottom up. It will be a generation or two for the transformation if things can remain reasonably glued together.

  29. moss says:

    Some tantalising hints in this article …
    ” This year, Inner Mongolia will also step up the clean and efficient use of coal, Wang said.
    “The region’s coal output accounts for about one-quarter of the country’s total and one-eighth of the global total.
    “Over the past five years, it has produced more than 5.3 billion tonnes of coal, and 2.9 trillion kWh of electricity, both the highest in the country.
    “Last year alone, its coal output stood at 1.22 billion tonnes, while power generation reached 646.5 billion kWh. It transmitted 264 billion kWh of electricity to other parts of the country.”
    english.news.cn/20230122/636067a318dc44b5bdfc46ca860abf3c/c.html

    from Xinhua – an official media outlet but a bit more tabloid than GlobalTimes
    the story reveals a couple of interesting statistics such as the continuing steady expansion of coal mining and coal powered electricity generation in this region of China. Silly me, I’d thought the place was only significant for its dinosaur fossils and being the global centre of the cashmere trade … and of course the legendary city of Ordos
    There’s the required tabloid handwaving regarding wind, photovolatic and hydrogen “new” “green” “smart” energy but their significance in the total output is not clear.
    Most interesting to me, though, is that there seems only the intent to continue groaf to da moon. Not even a sighting of the “sustainability” shibboleth

    • I visited Inner Mongolia when I went to China in 2015. At that time, they were trying to ramp up coal production in that part of China. The problem was that the coal price wasn’t high enough to make the extraction of coal profitable in that area, when the high cost of transporting the coal (or electricity made from coal) to the rest of China was included in the total cost.

      Now electricity prices are very much higher.

      https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/coal

      In fact, coal prices are way up, according to this chart. They are $351 per ton, compared to $50 to $75 in 2015, and back down to $50 per ton in 2020, when the Covid closures cut demand for goods from China.

      Coal is China’s major source of electricity and of energy. It is cheap coal that makes its exports profitable. In many ways, China has as bad problems as Europe.

      Shutting down China for Covid didn’t really get the coal price back down. I wonder if that is why the country opened back up. It was a hopeless problem, getting the price down so goods and electricity would be affordable again.

      • Ed says:

        Time for the US to open Alaskan coal and Canada to open its northern coal. Is there northern Siberian coal?

      • I looked more closely, and the price I linked to above is the world price for coal. China’s price for coal has risen, but not as much. Its price now seems to be about half of the world coal price. This is still up about three times from the low price, but it is not up seven times, like the world price.

        It is still a problem for factories in China, I expect.
        https://www.sunsirs.com/uk/prodetail-369.html

        The current price equates to about $156 per ton.

      • moss says:

        sorry, that’s me
        Planet: Earth

        energy – The whole of the nation of Pakistan was blacked out for more than 24 hours from Monday this week local time. It seems power has been largely restored but there are frequent loadshed blackouts normally and I haven’t come across confirmation of the situation.

        “On Tuesday, Pakistan Minister for Energy Khurram Dastgir talked about the investigation into the breakdown in a televised address and said the government suspected “foreign intervention such as hacking of systems”. Though he added that the chances of it are slim, that didn’t stop netizens from milking their theories, claiming Mission Majnu was successful.”
        tbsnews.net/world/south-asia/pakistanis-share-memes-linking-mission-majnu-nationwide-power-outage-573418

        anyone remember Oliver Stone reporting on his interviews with Snowden that the later mentioned kill switches in infrastructure software being installed by the US at which the Japanese were balking?

        Meanwhile the curtain lifts momentarily on the IMF restructuring of Sri Lanka’s offshore debt
        “Contrary to the widespread Disinformation on Sri Lanka’s Debt crisis in the Corporate Media, at this time, the onus is on the EuroBond traders (İSBs), like BlackRock and Hamilton Reserve Bank that caused Sri Lanka’s Default and sued the Governemtn in the first instance, and their debt Collectors, including the Paris Club and Washington Twins (IMF and WB), to cancel the debt, and Not delay further.

        “It is noteworthy that BlackRock got huge US Government Covid-19 ‘bailout funds’ to asset strip in vulnerable countries, while the world was kept in Covid-19 Lockdowns, economies destroyed and debt trapped in 2020-21.”
        colombotelegraph.com/index.php/182-experts-call-for-debt-cancellation-but-private-investors-play-hardball/

        This article gives valuable insight into the backstage set to IMF “diplomacy”

    • mandarin says:

      groaf to da moon for the world’s no 3 economy, too.
      “Japan’s fiscal health has been deteriorating on an “unprecedented” scale after massive spending amid the COVID-19 pandemic and Russia’s war in Ukraine, Finance Minister Shunichi Suzuki said Monday …
      ” The government will aim for economic revitalization before fiscal reconstruction.”
      japantoday.com/category/business/japan-finance-chief-warns-of-unprecedented-fiscal-health-worsening

      good buddha! Someone really needs to have words with them. They’re not even going along with playbook handwaving.
      How on earth are all the rest of the they who scantioned Russia going to be able to shrink demand fast enough to meet their GW commitments?
      Turkey’s been flakey all along but now this treachery

  30. Rodster says:

    “The Scientific Facts Are In: The Covid Virus and Pandemic are Man-Made. The mRNA “vaccine” Is More Deadly than the Virus” by Paul Craig Roberts

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/01/23/the-scientific-facts-are-in-the-covid-virus-and-pandemic-are-man-made-the-mrna-vaccine-is-more-deadly-than-the-virus/

    • Lastcall says:

      ‘Scientific fact’
      Isn’t that turning into an oxymoron?

      • reante says:

        I just can’t come up with a linguistic analog of edumacation, for scientific. Scientimatific ain’t working for me.

        • Lastcall says:

          Scamtific research?

          Scamterrific research?

        • halfvard says:

          Scientastic?

        • sciouscience says:

          Ahem. It’s scientophistry. I earned full BS with honors in the fields of nomenculture and etymometry.

          • Wet My Beak says:

            I thought BS was short for bullsh*t.

            I did a few degrees.

            One day it was raining and I couldn’t start the car (made in the USA).

            I had needed to go out for some lavatory paper. I couldn’t go.

            I looked around the house for some alternative.

            Finally, I spied a degree hanging on the wall. I took it down and carefully removed the paper from the frame.

            I ripped it into even pieces that would flush and proceeded to do my business.

            And that, my friends, is the only value I ever got from a university degree.

            *** Kill your doctor before your doctor kills you ***

            • Lastcall says:

              Hmm, mine ended up in a barbeque in Australia; it had been mailed to me.

              My learning began after school/Univ.

              And so to today; I interact with a lot of fresh graduates; they have merely been squeezed of their money and are almost without exception educamatated idiots.
              They failed the Cov IQ test; all jabbed with the dog sh*t.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              University was a complete waste of time

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Stick the doc

            • banned says:

              “*** Kill your doctor before your doctor kills you ***”

              Sorry over the top for me. Its your choice to accept treatment. Its someone elses choice to receive treatment.

              Guess what? You dont have to do what the doctor tells you. Admission to a hospital-diferent story.

              If you are in need of a doctor Im sure there are naturopathic or other disciplines that might suit you.

              Personally I think the shots are a crying shame. I think its obvious crimes were committed. The jehovah witnesses think its a crying shame that Im not “saved” when they come for a visit. I dont go to their place and its no big deal.

              There are places I dont go. I dont go where there are criminals distributing illicit drugs. If you think the doctors office is dangerous the solution is very simple dont go there.

              The extent that individuals think they can administer justice is to some degree always misguided. It is in fact part of the propaganda presented to us where extreme acts create a righteous and violent response. This is a gross misperception. One always owns their feelings. Feelings do not determine justified lethal force. That feelings justify lethal force is one of the things portrayed in media that does not work toward a healthy society. In my experience the vast majority of non justified use of force (not just lethal) comes from the idea that feelings justify force. Power and fascination with force sell media. The problem as clint said in one of his movies ” then your capping people just because their dog peeed on your front lawn”.

              You see this all the time with young people in the criminal justice system. He looked at me funny. I punched him in the nose. If they dont learn they own their their feelings and actions they become old people in the criminal justice system clinging to the idea that their feelings justify all sorts of actions. Force is the means by which their self perceived justice makes a injust world just whether it be assault or theft. The extent that actions are justified is largely dependent on their feelings which are invariably ego based.

              Lethal force is only justified for a lethal threat. What constitutes that is intent ability and opportunity. If any one of those three ceases lethal force is no longer justified. Its a ugly thing and obviously best avoided for a list of reasons that is beyond extensive.

              https://www.nrawomen.com/content/self-defense-understanding-ability-opportunity-and-intent/

              You own your feelings. You own your actions.

              Its a difficult time. If childhood injections become mandated in a state its time to move if you have children. Get in the car and go. Go to a state where everyone feels the same as you including law enforcement. Go to a shelter if you are poor. A church. It will work out. Yes you are a refugee. No its not fair. Their are lots of refugees. None of them have received justice. Crazy talk is still crazy talk. The bait and trap is obvious.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Don’t kill them … torture them… perform experiments on them

              Feed them to the pigs

    • Lastcall says:

      ‘Nobody will deny that the modern scientific world has its problems. There is generally the problem that science cannot be thought of as isolated from society, however much we would like it to be an independent search for the truth……….consensus science leads to the rapid establishment of a consensus in any subject, which is a good point, however, the consensus does not necessarily represent the truth (Stallinga and Khmelinskii 2015.’

      https://researchreview.in/index.php/rr/article/view/78/119

      • Ed says:

        Science is a story we tell around the camp fire.

        • Dennis L. says:

          Science is a result of real time effort which can be repeated with a given variance.

          Dennis L.

          • Lastcall says:

            Ah, grasshopper, yes that is ‘Scientific Method’.

            But we are talking about todays ‘Scientific Fact’.

            You know, as when Ardern said we are your one source of Trooth, and then there’s the Truth.

    • Lastcall says:

      One more excerpt is worth the effort;

      ‘Science in the Times of Covid. An alternative hypothesis.’ Can we formulate an alternative hypothesis? Yes, of course. The alternative hypothesis (AH) presented here includes the concept – that is, experimental fact– that PCR tests can have a certain false-positive error rate. Moreover, this rate can be up to 100% of all positive tests. Government, when it wants to make sure to not let a single infected person go undetected – meaning not allow for false-negative results of an infected person testing negative – will mandate an increment of the so-called Ct cycles in the PCR tests, thus tuning the false-positive and false-negative fractions, see Figure 2.

      Increasing the Ct value used in PCR tests will lower its accuracy x and increase the false-positive fraction α and increase the R0-value, possibly starting a fake pandemic.Then, anything can trigger a testing pandemic. The real corona-virus infections, other flu-family-virus-infections, negative-test requirement for traveling documents or for entrance at festivals, starting of the academic year with daily testing. Anything’

    • Jef Jelten says:

      The terms “science” and “technology” have become synonymous. Both are now indistinguishable from magic to the average person.

  31. Xabier says:
    January 22, 2023 at 8:36 am
    (snip)
    Worth noting that when Russian troops did get to Paris in 1814, they were the best-behaved, along with the British; the Germans were the worst. In 1945 of course they committed many atrocities, which was tit for tat after the Nazi extermination war against Russia.

    Best behaved?

    The word Bistro was born thanks to the Cossacks.

    The Russians didn’t know how to wait so they shouted “Bystra”, meaning “Hurry Up!”, which the French described as Bistro.

    In retrospect, Napoleon was not much worse than everything which followed him, and if Castlereagh didn’t act that crazy against him the World Wars might have not been that destructive.

    Napoleon hated colored people, such as Thomas-Alexander Dumas, father of the author of Three Musketeers. Dumas was the first black general in Western history, but Napoleon prohibited colored people from commanding troops and Dumas died in a great poverty, something his son never forgot in his books but that is another story.

    It is so hard for the British to admit that they f*cked up and exhume the bones of their so-called national heroes, whom I call “Enemies against Civilization”, and ground them up and mix them with manure to make good fertilizers.

  32. Mirror on the wall says:

    OK, England & Wales now have 287 ethnic groups.

    Come on, we can reach 300 by the next census!

    https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1617455669291917312

    • reante says:

      Make that 287 conquered peoples who had all their true warriors exterminated like cockroaches. A conservative estimate.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Britain has gathered a massive genetic treasure chest for future evolution to work upon. That may put humans on the island in good stead for future millennia. Only time tells anything.

        • reante says:

          I would be tempted to see it as unprecedented diversity if I wasn’t wondering whether there aren’t fewer microbial ethnicities within the UK human biomass than human ethnicities. Maybe records are being broken both ways.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      The ONS found the Irish to be among the oldest ethnic groups in England. That was already known. All sorts of narratives are written about why that is.

      However, I would point out that 80% of Irish in Britain who marry do so out of that group, mainly with British I would imagine, which is 96% over two generations.

      Likely the kids (and parents?) tend to just identify as British on the census form, which makes the Irish census cohort look older than others. Statical analysis has to take precedence over narratives if ‘trends’ are to be understood.

      https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/diarmaid-ferriter-how-the-irish-became-britain-s-oldest-loneliest-ethnic-group-1.4879517

      > How the Irish became Britain’s oldest, loneliest ethnic group

  33. @Agamemmnon

    Bread and Wine is an anti-fascist and anti-Stalinist novel written by Ignazio Silone.
    There’s a reference to this:
    https://www.wantedinrome.com/news/fucino-how-italy-drained-its-third-largest-lake.html
    ===

    That Silone guy is interesting by himself. he was a socialist, but he was also a fascist informant. He later was active in an organization funded by CIA and engaged in an anti communist movement. Unfortunately most of the stuff on him would be in Italian which I can’t read.

    The Fucino lake was eventually drained by Prince Torlonia, whose family basically ran the land as their feudal fiefdom. It says a clash between the landowner (Torlonias) and the tenants led to a death in 1950, so the World Wars changed nothing on the behavior of the landowners who didn’t care a single iota about their tenants.

    The link associated to it shows a big donation of the Torlonia family to some museum in Rome, showing their family wealth is unchanged. Italy is, to this day, somewhat feudal like Spain and Lidia here boasted keeping an indentured servant for life in this very board.

    SIlone was at least honest about the landowners will treat those who don’t own land:

    “At the top of everything there is God, the boss of heaven. Everybody knows that. Then there’s the Prince of Torlonia, the boss on earth. Then there are the prince’s guards. Then there are the prince’s guards’ dogs. Then there’s nothing. Then nothing again. Then nothing again. Then there are the yokels. And you could say that’s all.”

    The Prince of Torlonia couldn’t care less who was ruling Italy, the Savoyards, Mussolini, US troops or the socialists. He ruled his land and that was all he cared, to this day.

    • Dennis L. says:

      Basically, you have the 80-20 rule.

      Dennis L.

    • Student says:

      Maybe you know already, but Ignazio Silone (pseudonym) is one of the famous authors of ‘meridionalist Italian letterature’.
      I kind of very sad and realistic literature talking about the vicissitudes of lifelike families and people of the south after the beginning of the Italian State.
      Another very interesting book is ‘Il gattopardo’. Fundamental to understand Italy.

      https://altritaliani.net/article-viaggio-nella-letteratura-legata/

      It is certainly true that the south was conquered and exploited by norther and central interests through the years.
      But élite groups of the south took their revenge, because as time goes by, only élite groups of the south became the ones ruling of the Country.
      If one knows Italy in deep, one knows very well that – especially after WWII – Italy has been ruled by élite groups of the south.
      Lega party of the north was just a ridiculous and clownish attempt to take some power back, but as time goes by, Lega party has been engulfed by èlite groups of the south. And south rules again.
      Meloni is from Rome, Mattarella is from Sicily, the list is very long.

      Of course poor people of south remained in poverty, as poor people of the centre.
      Now also people of the north is going into poverty as Italy has begun de-industrialization.
      The crowded areas of the north will probably become zombie areas like the one of Detroit.

    • Lidia17 says:

      What? I didn’t “boast” about anything, and I don’t keep servants of any kind. I have never even hired a maid or cleaning service (my house will attest)!

      I merely described past and current situations I encountered in terms which support your argument that Italy remains feudal at heart.

      • Ed says:

        I knew you are one of those Vermonters who do not milk goats.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          What’s wrong with hiring servants? Oh for the days of Bali when Fast lived like a king and manual labour was the PM of a Latin American banana republic

        • Lidia17 says:

          I’m not following what this has to do with goats. [I will probably get some goats next year.. I only have chickens now.]

          My aversion to servants is that I like to feel privacy in my home. I don’t want people rummaging through my stuff. Plus, everyone I knew that had a cleaning lady would spend time cleaning before the cleaning lady came, because they didn’t want the cleaning lady to think they were slovenly.

          Even when I owned a business, it was hard for me (and for my two male partners) to deal with employees. They never did things as well as we would have done them ourselves, and ended up costing us more time to fix what they’d done. Like with the cleaning lady, it just didn’t seem worth it. So we had a business with no hierarchy: all equal partners.

          As a woman, I acknowledge I can’t come off as “Alpha” to men, either, which is really what you need to be an effective boss. Trying to get this house built, I am just not listened to, whether verbally or in writing.. I’m like the teacher in the Charlie Brown cartoons: I think they hear me going “whar wah whaa whuh waah..”

          I know it’s normal in certain cultures.. not just upper-middle-class Italy of the 1960s, but in places like Puerto Rico. I had a Puerto Rican friend in college who had a maid. She kept ruining all his stuff with bleach.

    • Agamemnon says:

      The Jesus story is he can’t get a job so he tells all those without references follow him and then look down at the valley. The lake appears. So the story teller laments if only justice could happen to the landowners in the same way.
      The ending isn’t cheery as The protagonist instead of being caught seems to go crazy, runs up th snowy mountain back to nature where wolves await.
      Mother Natures a beach.

  34. Student says:

    (Reuters)

    Poland wants to send its Leopard tanks to Ukraine
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-signals-shift-veto-leopard-tanks-ukraine-2023-01-23/

    (Tass)

    War with West is no longer hybrid

    https://tass.com/politics/1565885

    My impression is that something is shifting on another level.
    I hope I’m not correct.

    • According to Tass, “The Russian top diplomat recalled that Ukraine has adopted laws that prohibit education in Russian, media in Russian, including such media in Ukraine, laws that even, in fact, prohibit the use of the Russian language in everyday life.”

      • Rodster says:

        That is something Martin Armstrong who has employees in Ukraine and in Russia has also confirmed. The Ukrainians have a deep seated hatred for the Russians and they will not let it go. The Ukrainians also harbor Neo-Nazis as they embrace Stepan Bandera. That is something Washington and the Media hides from the public.

        The real reason Putin went into Ukraine was because Ukrainians were killing and torturing Russians in the Donbas region.

        • Ed says:

          Glad someone remembers
          “The real reason Putin went into Ukraine was because Ukrainians were killing and torturing Russians in the Donbas region.”

    • banned says:

      Here is the full press conference where Lavrov takes questions.
      I found the assertion that the Japanese constitution will be changed to allow militarization and full participation in AUKUS interesting.
      There are always two sides to everything but I found Lavrovs arguments compelling.

      Lavrov asserted that USA and EU have agreed to continue colonialism for the inhabitants of those nations-the golden billion. IMO a critical mistake was made by the USA in embracing military accumulation and discarding productivity. If the USA had retained and protected its productivity it would have something to offer the world other than military force. Spilt milk. Military force is not a passive investment it consumes continual resources. It is overhead that is substantial that requires continuous resource acquisition and consumption. Japan might be wise to evaluate the USAs path. As if they have a choice.

      Now the USA is in a sticky wicket having outsourced its productivity the burden of recreating it is substantial. While I believe it could be recreated even with the barriers it faces it seems their is no actual ability to commit to that course. The course for war and strategic nuclear exchange seems to be set. The alternatives the multipolar effort failing or the USA/EU left like babys in the wild with nothing to offer in a world where their colonialism is gone seem much less likely IMO. The military accumulation resource being the sole asset will be consumed one way or another and as we see in budget/inflation occurrences even maintaining its overhead cost is not possible without further assimilation of world resources. Instead of further assimilation what is occurring is a lessening via the primary mechanism reserve currency status.

      The courses seem set now with no adjustments to the rudder possible all partys committed to the course.

      What the USA was is a interesting question. It would seem now it is a organism operating off of maximum power principle. I question whether such a organism has the capability to change its operating principle.

      In a non nuclear armed and resource rich world such change has been witnessed via military defeat i WW2. The conditions for the success stories of WW2 no longer exist.

      https://www.bitchute.com/video/kmJsshw122IC/

      • Sam says:

        Not sure if I agree. I get the u. S hate on here but the u.s is the last best horse in the glue factory. Sorry dollar is not going away…we have beat that dead horse into the ground for 7 years on here and it is still wrong

        • banned says:

          “I get the u. S hate on here”

          If you love somthing you dont let it destruct. If you love somthing you speak out about qualities that need impovement. Gang loyalty is not somthing that leads to qualities of freedom and justice. When you cringe away from the hard facts call them “hate” and refuse to look at whether actions reflect the basis of our country freedom and justice you demonstrate lack of care for the USA.

          “Sorry dollar is not going away…we have beat that dead horse into the ground for 7 years on here and it is still wrong”

          Bought any food lately? Any building materials? Will you still be shouting king dollar when its buying power declines another 50%? By my accounting its declined 75% for some food products in four years 25% for others. Debt seven years ago (your metric) was 14 trillion. Its 31 trillion now. Dont believe me? Hold dollars Einstein.

          If you truly love this country you can not support the disastrous expansionist foreign policy globalism and money printing that is reflected in USAGOV actions for the last half century. Get it through your thick head. USAGOV is not the USA. It is a autonomous organism.

          • Lidia17 says:

            “Americans” are not running the USA. I see parallels to those organisms that take over another organism’s brain and cause it to operate on behalf of the parasite. However sad it may be, it is a ‘natural’ process. There are no political solutions as all sides have been infected, and it is not solely a US problem.

            This could all be well within the MPP: one organism expends energy in construction, a second comes along to hasten destruction and release energy that way. Depending on the available energy at the end of that cycle, it may begin anew, but there can’t be stasis.

          • Dennis L. says:

            Banned

            Not sure where you are from, but I so wish we had been faithful to our founders and avoided all foreign entanglements.

            We had the right idea in the beginning.

            Dennis L.

            • banned says:

              Dennis;
              I think throughout our countries history their were strong if certainly not perfect individuals who understood that true strength was cooperation. IMO JFK was a example. I get chills when i hear his speeches. None the less here we find ourselves on the brink apparently like little babies unable to change. When Reagan and Khrushchev met it was one of the last examples of trying to get along. Both humans both with flaws. Can you imagine that today? Two humans meeting trying to find common ground in their humanity. In that lack there is profound dysfunction and Im afraid it spells our end.

          • Withnail says:

            If you truly love this country you can not support the disastrous expansionist foreign policy globalism and money printing that is reflected in USAGOV actions for the last half century.

            All of that is necessary to keep BAU going.

            I didn’t like it when the UK bombed back to the Stone Age but now I understand that the government did it for me. The more places we wreck, the less resources they will consume.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              You get it!

              And anyone who disagrees can donate their salary to the Libyans. And if not then they can shut the f789 up

              MORENS.

              BTW – was having a glass of wine with M Fast earlier — watching MOREONS walk by… and Fast says — you know what … all these hundreds of people who walked by — not one of them knows what I know …. she says how do you know that…

              I says cuz I know… then I explained to M Fast my theory that intelligence is actually stooopidity – and she agreed. And I said – none of them would agree… they are MOREONS – all of them

      • I am afraid that the US doesn’t have very much to fall back on today except its supposed military superiority. Raising debt becomes a problem, unless there is something to spend it on. A war against China (and or Russia and Iran) might be the thing to push the US to raise its military spending and increase debt.

        • banned says:

          To my mind the USA would be just fine if it changed its behavior. Perhaps I am over simplistic. When one trade ends you find another you dont threaten all the customers that they must buy. This is living with our true world the physical world, gods creation. You assess your skills your talents and take your best shot. Their are no guarantees. Except death. In the end it falls anyway. Why not take your best shot?

          Have the endless wars helped us form a world community that is worth living in? Do you feel a goverment that has no respect for its agreements with other sovereign nations will respect its social contracts with its citizens?

          tweetle dee; Whats you doing?
          tweetle dum; fishing
          tweetle dee; any luck?
          tweetle dum’ no but it was great in 72.

        • Student says:

          It seems a not different path of the Roman empire.
          I cannot predict the future and I don’t know in which phase of the comparison with Roman empire we could be, but I remember that Ugo Bardi wrote in one of his articles that empires follow certain schemes.
          And this seems to follow that scheme.

          • banned says:

            Once again I am probably over simplistic.

            Imaginary workplace. A guy there doesnt want to get laid off. So he sabotages his fellow workers strategically. Whats left is his. One big game of survivor. Effective

            Whats lost is the exponential power of multiple people working together for solutions. That is a very effective force in a way that doesnt require sabotage. The power of working together.

            In Iraq libya and Syria the USA has created chaos. This is in keeping with MPP. Deny other competing organisms resources. You get whats left.

            Iran you create chaos and you cut your own energy supply as the lions share of oil passes through the strait.

            Russia it goes nuclear.

            The survivor game is over assuming self preservation is stronger than MPP by no means a certainty.

            Whats left is the benefits of sovereign countries bringing what they have to the table with respect and fairness. I think it would be pretty damn cool to live in a world with respect and fairness. Its right there in front of our nose but only if we can abandon our MPP behavior. That speaks to every organism. When conditions change you evolve or go extinct. The power of working together its benefits quite tangible. The avoidance of a strategic nuclear exchange in itself a strong benefit but certainly not the only benefit. Working together is rather advanced compared to MPP. Working together is totally contrary to MPP. There are many many examples of MPP in human society but few of working together. There is hope there is possibility right in front of our nose. It is completely possible and completely improbable as a function of humans to evolve.

            • Dennis L. says:

              bammed,

              I have done it on a small scale, it is tougher than it looks to keep it working.

              A guess: too many rise above their level of competence: US higher education.

              Dennis L.

            • Lidia17 says:

              The MPP in the context of building is (my strange observation while driving down the road one day) that along the path from high-energy to low-energy there needs to be a conduit, and that conduit will arise when the differential becomes great enough.. like in a van der Graaf generator. The lightning illustrates the “organization” that happens along the path from high- to low-, where before there were only random molecules. All the houses along the road are (could be) a reflection of that process: a kind of boot-strapping.. an investment of energy in organization only to release more energy once the organization has occurred.

              Our houses, our social orders, our bodies are myriad expressions of the need of energy to keeeeep flowing.

              I’ve probably written about this here before, but during the Great Financial Crisis I came across an interview with a hedge-fund manager who outlined the process by which loans were not generated by people’s desire for loans, but by the need for “paper” to be fed into the maw of the system, describing the force of this as almost supernatural.

            • MPP is closely related to a need to keep up with the Jones’s and to spend whatever money we have. We always assume that investments will have a net favorable outcome, even though (after a point) this is unlikely. Thus, even when it is clear there are road blocks in all directions, we will keep investing to get around them.

            • banned says:

              Dennis;

              What makes it work is a system of feedback where all peers are comfortable both giving and receiving feedback. Giving and receiving feedback is a skill. A organism operating from a MPP of course is very uncomfortable with a system like that. Some never come around however if they are held accountable by their peers they will change their behavior, if not their heart, to succeed. It takes time to cultivate a environment where contributors realize the benefits of everyone succeeding. It seems to go against something very primal and in a culture where everything is defined as winners and losers it can seem to be unsatisfying. It requires adjustment to our conception of winning. It requires skill. Just because you want everyone to succeed doesnt mean you do someones job for them. It does mean if you have skills or knowledge that allow you to help them overcome a barrier easily you do so. This balance is a skill. Saying no i wont do your job for you is different from providing key skills/knowledge when needed.

              IMO actively cultivating a workplace that has these skills increases its effectiveness and job satisfaction by a large factor.

            • Replenish says:

              “Whats lost is the exponential power of multiple people working together for solutions. That is a very effective force in a way that doesnt require sabotage. The power of working together.”

              Synergy! Good one banned!

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Dont expect much from a species that does this – and thinks it’s funny

              https://t.me/leaklive/11666
              https://cubeoftruth.com/av

        • in2bikeblog says:

          Here is a low energy solution to the budget crisis. Assume that most government documents are secret only to avoid embarrassment or prosecution. Quietly sell them off to China, Russia, or Moldova. Top Secret papers, handled personally by prominent politicians have a premium.

          May need a futures market in Top Secret documents to add liquidity. Do not share this post.

  35. Fast Eddy says:

    Premature aging in mice with error-prone protein synthesis
    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abl9051

    The Wizard is indeed behind the curtain. We are seeing a 26-year-old die. But that 26-year-old has the organs of a 96-year-old. No surprise in rapid cancers, neurodegeneration or sudden cardiac death – for a 96-year-old.

    I believe the Spike Protein is acting as a Progeria Drug – delivered via the Endothelium to all organs.

    I don’t know, yet, what to do. I am deeply saddened, and numb. No matter what evidence or hypothesis is presented – the band plays on…

    And it is playing a funeral march.

    https://wmcresearch.substack.com/p/urgentbreaking-updated-summation

    Ya well .. f789 them … I side with the chickens and the chickens are happy that the MOREONS are exterminating themselves…

    Poor chickens https://t.me/leaklive/11666

    • reante says:

      Think it through little eddy: do you really think that a tiny little protein receptor on a tiny little coronavirus can cause all these problems in people just they put the word ‘spike’ before protein? Receptors are just docking proteins. Lock and key mechanisms. They have no function beyond acting as a homing device for ACE2 receptors. The (supposed) viral disease function lies entirely in the coronavirus mRNA inside the capsid.

      Nothing about the spike protein narrative makes sense. It’s just a submicroscopic terrorist antivaxxers mythology nested within the virus mythology. Structurally it makes zero sense. A coronavirus surface protein/enzyme for ACE2 receptors can’t kill people no matter how many the body is forced to make because it’s no different than an extracellular vesicle carrying waste. It would have no function in the body. It couldn’t even bind-to and clog-up ACE2 receptors, thus causing problems that way, because whenever cells are forced to make the ‘spike,’ the cell would package them up in a lipid membrane but the cell wouldn’t know to ‘address’ it with a surface protein that binds to ACE2 because there’s no information in the spike itself to tell the cell to do that. The Spike itself is RNA but it’s RNA in a catalytic format and not the informational format of genetic RNA!

      Key, key, key point right there, that blows up the whole Spike Narrative. The Spike is a catalyst for a catalytic reaction with the ACE2 receptors. Catalysts in catalytic enzymatic reactions get catalyzed during catalysis, meaning they break down. They have no other function than the catalytic docking to ACE2 function.

      So on some superficial level there’s an hypothetical internal logic to the vaccine theory that says that if you make the body make a bunch of spike proteins then the body will be alerted to be on the lookout for coronaviruses but that logic has nothing to do with spikes themselves being deadly to the vaccinated.

      There’s no THERE there in the deadly spike narrative. There’s a gaping hole hiding in it. You put this argument to Chudov, A Midwestern Doctor, McCullough, GVB, whatshisname the lovely Thai-German fellow, the brilliant biologist ivanislav, – I challenge anyone to fill that hole. Prove me wrong based on established science and I’ll concede my mistake.

      The Spike protein narrative is incomplete. It’s just another misdirection play.

      The reality of the pathological reactions to the vaxxes looks to me like what tumor/cancer exosomes would produce. Given the literature on that field that I’ve been posting up, the science for it is there. And the logic of it is obvious.

      • reante says:

        Correction: I shouldn’t be calling the spike a receptor at the beginning of my comment above. It’s a protein enzyme FOR cell receptors.

      • I don’t think so, reante. I don’t want to hear more about this.

        • reante says:

          Gail

          Well why don’t you think so?

          By cutting me off from an ongoing independent line of thought that I back up with reasoned argument, are you indirectly asking me to leave, because that’s what you want to do? Because the spike protein narrative means that much to you? Why does it?

          Do you know if the mRNA in the vials is a spike protein? Why are almost all of the subsequences within it perfect matches to sequences in the human genome? They wouldn’t be if it was a viral spike protein but they would be if they were weaponized exosomes, because the blueprints for all exosomes exist in the genome.

          I’m requesting that you reconsider your position.

  36. Fast Eddy says:

    URGENT/BREAKING: UPDATED SUMMATION: The Spike Protein of SARS-CoV-2 is “Delivered” to All Organs via the Endothelium and Induces Systemic Nonsense mRNA Translations Resulting in Hyperaccelerated Aging
    The Spike Protein, in Essence, Acts as a Progeria Drug

    COVID-19 has been generally regarded, of late, as an Endothelial disease. I have called this SPED (Spike Protein Endothelial Disease). However, I was not satisfied as this being the ultimate cause of all the pathology being observed. Therefore, I endeavored to look deeper, to find what is ACTUALLY causing the pathologies. What I discovered is most alarming.

    I believe that STAGE I of Spike Protein Progeria Syndrome (SPPS) is an Endothelial “reaction” to the INVASION of the Spike protein INTO ALL OF THE MAJOR ORGANS. Consider this much like the shock of being submerged in freezing water, or being blasted with fire. There is INSTANTANEOUS damage: inflammation, coagulation and all that accompanies an insult to the Endothelium.

    However, once the Spike Protein has INVADED the Endothelium of all the major organs, it then PROCEEDS TO INDUCE MISTRANSLATION OF mRNA IN EACH ORGAN. I will use BNT162b2 as an example, as it induces exclusive production of the S Protein via mRNA.

    https://wmcresearch.substack.com/p/urgentbreaking-updated-summation

    • banned says:

      Norm left Eddy without so much as a Dear John note. Im sorry Eddy. You do realize that individuals leave unhealthy and abusive relationships dont you? I disagreed strongly both with Norms opinions and methods of asserting them. I applaud his refusal to no longer agree to be defecated upon with a standing ovation.

    • banned says:

      The DOD apparent freaking out over the bioweapon release as demonstrated by its manufacture of the MRNA substances may be true or another facade. It is clear to me at this point the design of the MRNA substances is deeply flawed regardless There are a lot of indicators that the cure is much worse than the disease. If I am not mistaken Ivermectins action was prevention of the spike protein to enter the Endothelium. I am not a doctor nor do I have the slightest knowledge of human biology. It seems to me that preventing the spike protein of the bioweapons action from entering the Endothelium would be preferable to turning the body into a spike protein factory with a experimental gene editing substance.

      • ivanislav says:

        If memory serves, theories exist for it operating in several ways: (1) it changes ACE2 sequestration/localization on the cell surface, making it less likely to be endocytosed, (2) it increases the concentration of some ion (magnesium?) that inhibits one of the viral polymerases, and (3) it might inhibit Spike-ACE2 binding (I think this was the most tenuous hypothesis, based largely on molecular modeling).

        • banned says:

          Since the narrative is the “spike protein” is the entry mechanism of the virus, prevention of sars cov 2 into endothelium “less likely to be endocytosed” Ivermectin could possibly also prevent the spike protein manufactured by the body as a result of the MRNA injections from being endocytosed (technical description of entering mechanism) correct?

          “The PD-L1
          receptors present on the endothelial cells are activated by
          The mechanisms of action of Ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2: An evidence-based clinical review article
          STAT-3 causing T cell lymphopenia. Ivermectin inhibits
          STAT-3 through direct inhibition preventing COVID-19
          sequalae [39]”

          https://www.scstatehouse.gov/CommitteeInfo/SenateMedicalAffairsCommittee/H2Imprv.pdf

          • ivanislav says:

            I haven’t read the article yet, but I think virus and vaccine are mostly different, with a caveat discussed at the end.

            In the viral case, spike is part of the viral envelope, outside the cell, and ivermectin is thought to block its entry by changing ACE2 localization.

            In the case of the vaccine, your body produces spike and that’s it. The spike (when the vaccine works as intended) is integrated within the membrane and then immune cells kill that cell.

            Caveat #1:
            Only if the vaccine were to induce viral budding or blebs would ivermectin then be useful in preventing those virus-like-particles from being again endocytosed by another cell. However, I haven’t heard of the vaccine causing anything like viral budding. Maybe ivermectin would be useful to some degree in blocking endocytosis of exosomes whose membranes contain the vaccine-induced spike.

            Caveat #2:
            Ivermectin may have other systemic effects (eg. PD-L1 interaction) that I’m not familiar with and will look into when I have time.

    • This sounds worrying! Yet another reason to stay away from the vaccines!

  37. Fast Eddy says:

    haha https://twitter.com/DiedSuddenly_/status/1615170024439685122

    Humans suck.

    Kill them.

    Why are so many people upset?

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    Ya well he could be a chicken at Maple Farms – who gives a f789 https://twitter.com/Newsfilter2/status/1613893758273179650

  39. Fast Eddy says:

    Buzz says the journey to the moon didn’t happen https://t.me/downtherabbitholewegofolks/62811

    Of course the MOREONS will continue to insist it did and ignore buzz hhahahaaa

    • nikoB says:

      while I agree that there are so many issues with the moon landing, what is Buzz saying here. I think he is saying that nothing about it was scary for him. It could have been but it wasn’t. Until he says point blank we didn’t go it is all word play. nothing to see here.