2021: More troubles likely

Most people expect that the economy of 2021 will be an improvement from 2020. I don’t think so. Perhaps COVID-19 will be somewhat better, but other aspects of the economy will likely be worse.

Back in November 2020, I showed a chart illustrating the path that energy consumption seems to be on. The sharp downturn in energy consumption has occurred partly because the cost of oil, gas and coal production tends to rise, since the portion that is least expensive to extract and ship tends to be removed first.

At the same time, prices that energy producers are able to charge their customers don’t rise enough to compensate for their higher costs. Ultimate customers are ordinary wage earners, and their wages are not escalating as rapidly as fossil fuel production and delivery costs. It is the low selling price of fossil fuels, relative to the rising cost of production, that causes a collapse in the production of fossil fuels. This is the crisis we are now facing.

Figure 1. Estimate by Gail Tverberg of World Energy Consumption from 1820 to 2050. Amounts for earliest years based on estimates in Vaclav Smil’s book Energy Transitions: History, Requirements and Prospects and BP’s 2020 Statistical Review of World Energy for the years 1965 to 2019. Energy consumption for 2020 is estimated to be 5% below that for 2019. Energy for years after 2020 is assumed to fall by 6.6% per year, so that the amount reaches a level similar to renewables only by 2050. Amounts shown include more use of local energy products (wood and animal dung) than BP includes.

With lower energy consumption, many things tend to go wrong at once: The rich get richer while the poor get poorer. Protests and uprisings become more common. The poorer citizens and those already in poor health become more vulnerable to communicable diseases. Governments feel a need to control their populations, partly to keep down protests and partly to prevent the further spread of disease.

If we look at the situation shown on Figure 1 on a per capita basis, the graph doesn’t look quite as steep, because lower energy consumption tends to bring down population. This reduction in population can come from many different causes, including illnesses, fewer babies born, less access to medical care, inadequate clean water and starvation.

Figure 2. Amounts shown in Figure 1, divided by population estimates by Angus Maddison for earliest years and by 2019 United Nations population estimates for years to 2020. Future population estimated to be falling half as quickly as energy supply is falling in Figure 1. World population drops to 2.8 billion by 2050.

What Is Ahead for 2021?

In many ways, it is good that we really don’t know what is ahead for 2021. All aspects of GDP production require energy consumption. A huge drop in energy consumption is likely to mean disruption in the world economy of varying types for many years to come. If the situation is likely to be bad, many of us don’t really want to know how bad.

We know that many civilizations have had the same problem that the world does today. It usually goes by the name “Collapse” or “Overshoot and Collapse.” The problem is that the population becomes too large for the resource base. At the same time, available resources may degrade (soils erode or lose fertility, mines deplete, fossil fuels become harder to extract). Eventually, the economy becomes so weakened that any minor disturbance – attack from an outside army, or shift in weather patterns, or communicable disease that raises the death rate a bit – threatens to bring down the whole system. I see our current economic problem as much more of an energy problem than a COVID-19 problem.

We know that when earlier civilizations collapsed, the downfall tended not to happen all at once. Based on an analysis by Peter Turchin and Sergey Nefedov in their book, Secular Cycles, economies tended to first hit a period of stagflation, for perhaps 40 or 50 years. In a way, today’s economy has been in a period of stagflation since the 1970s, when it became apparent that oil was becoming more difficult to extract. To hide the problem, increasing debt was issued at ever-lower interest rates.

According to Turchin and Nefedov, the stagflation stage eventually moves into a steeper “crisis” period, marked by overturned governments, debt defaults, and falling population. In the examples analyzed by Turchin and Nefedov, this crisis portion of the cycle took 20 to 50 years. It seems to me that the world economy reached the beginning of the crisis period in 2020 when lockdowns in response to the novel coronavirus pushed the weakened world economy down further.

The examples examined by Turchin and Nefedov occurred in the time period before fossil fuels were widely used. It may very well be that the current collapse takes place more rapidly than those in the past, because of dependency on international supply lines and an international banking system. The world economy is also very dependent on electricity–something that may not last. Thus, there seems to be a chance that the crisis phase may last a shorter length of time than 20 to 50 years. It likely won’t last only a year or two, however. The economy can be expected to fall apart, but somewhat slowly. The big questions are, “How slowly?” “Can some parts continue for years, while others disappear quickly?”

Some Kinds of Things to Expect in 2021 (and beyond)

[1] More overturned governments and attempts at overturned governments.

With increasing wage disparity, there tend to be more and more unhappy workers at the bottom end of the wage distribution. At the same time, there are likely to be people who are unhappy with the need for high taxes to try to fix the problems of the people at the bottom end of the wage distribution. Either of these groups can attempt to overturn their government if the government’s handling of current problems is not to the group’s liking.

[2] More debt defaults.

During the stagflation period that the world economy has been through, more and more debt has been added at ever-lower interest rates. Much of this huge amount of debt relates to property that is no longer of much use (airplanes without passengers; office buildings that are no longer needed because people now work at home; restaurants without enough patrons; factories without enough orders). Governments will try to avoid defaults as long as possible, but eventually, the unreasonableness of this situation will prevail. The impact of defaults can be expected to affect many parts of the economy, including banks, insurance companies and pension plans.

[3] Extraordinarily slow progress in defeating COVID-19.

There seems to be a significant chance that COVID-19 is lab-made. In fact, the many variations of COVID-19 may also be lab made. Researchers around the world have been studying “Gain of Function” in viruses for more than 20 years, allowing the researchers to “tweak” viruses in whatever way they desire. There seem to be several variations on the original virus now. A suicidal/homicidal researcher could decide to “take out” as many other people as possible, by creating yet another variation on COVID-19.

To make matters worse, immunity to coronaviruses in general doesn’t seem to be very long lasting. According to an October 2020 article, 35-year study hints that coronavirus immunity doesn’t last long. Analyzing other coronaviruses, it concluded that immunity tends to disappear quite quickly, leading to an annual cycle of illnesses such as colds. There seems to be a substantial chance that COVID-19 will return on an annual basis. If vaccines generate a similar immunity pattern, we will be facing an issue of needing new vaccines every year, as we do with the flu.

[4] Cutbacks on education of many kinds.

Many people getting advanced degrees find that the time and expense did not lead to an adequate financial reward afterwards. At the same time, universities find that there are not many grants to support faculty, outside of the STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math) fields. With this combination of problems, universities with limited budgets make the financial decision to reduce or eliminate programs with reduced student interest and no outside funding.

At the same time, if local school districts find themselves short of funds, they may choose to use distance learning, simply to save money. This type of cutback could affect grade school children, especially in poor areas.

[5] Increasing loss of the top layers of governments.

It takes money/energy to support extra layers of government. The UK is now completely out of the European Union. We can expect to see more changes of this type. The UK may dissolve into smaller regions. Other parts of the EU may leave. This problem could affect many countries around the world, such as China or countries of the Middle East.

[6] Less globalization; more competition among countries.

Every country is struggling with the problem of not enough jobs that pay well. This is really an energy-related problem. Instead of co-operating, countries will tend to increasingly compete, in the hope that their country can somehow get a larger share of the higher-paying jobs. Tariffs will continue to be popular.

[7] More empty shelves in stores.

In 2020, we discovered that supply lines can break, making it impossible to purchase products a person expects. In fact, new governmental rules can have the same impact, for example, if a country bans travel to its country. We should expect more of this in 2021, and in the years ahead.

[8] More electrical outages, especially in locations where reliance on intermittent wind and solar for electricity is high.

In most places in the world, oil products were available before electricity. On the way down, we should expect to see the reverse of this pattern: Electricity will disappear first because it is hardest to maintain a constant supply. Oil will be available, at least as long as is electricity.

There is a popular belief that we will “run out of oil,” and that renewable electricity can be a solution. I do not think that intermittent electricity can be a solution for anything. It works poorly. At most, it acts as a temporary extender to fossil fuel-provided electricity.

[9] Possible hyperinflation, as countries issue more and more debt and no longer trust each other.

I often say that I expect oil and energy prices to stay low, but this doesn’t really hold if many countries around the world issue more and more government debt as a way to try to keep businesses from failing, debt from defaulting, and stock market prices inflated. There is a danger that all prices will inflate, and that sellers of products will no longer accept the hyperinflated currency that countries around the world are trying to provide.

My concern is that international trade will break down to a significant extent as hyperinflation of all currencies becomes a problem. The higher prices of oil and other energy products won’t really lead to any more production because prices of all goods and services will be inflating at the same time; fossil fuel producers will not get any special benefit from these higher prices.

If a significant loss of trade occurs, there will be even more empty shelves because there is very little any one country can make on its own. Without adequate goods, population loss may be very high.

[10] New ways of countries trying to fight with each other.

When there are not enough resources to go around, historically, wars have been fought. I expect wars will continue to be fought, but the approaches will “look different” than in the past. They may involve tariffs on imported goods. They may involve the use of laboratory-made viruses. They may involve attacking the internet of another country, or its electrical distribution system. There may be no officially declared war. Strange things may simply take place that no one understands, without realizing that the country is being attacked.

Conclusion

We seem to be headed for very bumpy waters in the years ahead, including 2021. Our real problem is an energy problem that we do not have a solution for.

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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3,373 Responses to 2021: More troubles likely

    • Weather problems are leading to huge price spikes:

      The last few weeks saw temperatures in many parts of North Asia drop to record lows, and energy prices hit record highs. Platts JKM, the benchmark for Asian spot LNG prices, surged to $32.50/MMBtu, the highest since it was launched in early 2009. LNG freight rates hit unprecedented levels of nearly $300,000/day, trucked LNG in China rose to around $28/MMBtu, Japan’s spot electricity prices hit 220 Yen/kWh, and the Platts Northeast Asian Thermal coal price hit $80/mt.

      I am very glad that Japan wasn’t trying to use electric cars at that point, in addition to its other electricity uses.

    • China’s refining demand has helped support world crude oil demand (and prices):

      China has added around 2.7mn b/d of refining capacity in the last five years, drawing more crude eastwards. These expansions, together with price mechanisms that guarantee refiners’ margins in the domestic market, helped support global crude demand and prices during the early stages of the Covid-19 pandemic last year.

      The government is unlikely to relinquish its control over product prices, although it may allow room for more market signals such as the new Shanghai crude futures contract or sales by independents, conference participants said.

      Anything that cannot continue, won’t, however. If too many products are dumped on the world market, sales prices of finished products will fall too low for refiners to make an adequate profit. A person would think that government price support would have limits.

    • “Two of the most consequential control system cyberattacks were supply chain attacks,” Weiss wrote in a blog. “The first was the Chinese installing hardware backdoors in a large electric transformer, and the second event was the Russian SolarWinds cyberattack. They were both supply chain attacks of trusted suppliers that were not detected by IT network monitoring or threat intelligence in a timely fashion. In both cases, there is potential for substantial physical damage. Yet, in both cases, there has been minimum focus on the control systems.”

      Buying large transformers and control systems from China no longer makes sense. There is too much danger of a back-door cyberattack.

  1. Mirror on the wall says:

    H95 review

    Yes, so I caved in and got the new Bang & Olufsen H95 headphones in black. The grey are gorgeous but the black will ‘wear’ better. And who really knows how long IC has left to run? lol

    I would recommend them if anyone is considering upgrading from H9 (though you will probably want to keep the H9 too, lol).

    The advantages of H95: more power behind the sound; stronger in the deepest bass regions (which allows one to cancel the other bass regions, the boom, with the app and to leave a deep bass that does not muddy the rest of the sounds); they are much airier – they allow one to use the transparency mode that feeds sound from the environment (without much/ any noticeable background noise) while the music still sounds (it is one or the other with the H9) which makes the sound very airy/ ambient. The extra power gives everything a greater presence like a quality amp. The clarity and separation of the sounds is what you would expect given the H9s. The detail with classical for 24/96 FLAC is a revelation even in bluetooth mode. And they are a lot louder.

    Are they worth it? I would say definitely. It is like hearing music the way that it was always meant to be and one almost forgets that it has not always sounded that good. They already compete with a quality hi fi and the sound will improve as they ‘wear in’; they sound better every time I put them on. I always have them going while I browse, usually tech house or techno at the moment (with bass always set to lowest, which leaves a distinct rumble), which they may as well have been made for. There really is no going back from H95.

    https://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/headphones/beoplay-h95?variant=beoplay-h95-black

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      I’m holding out for the next version:

      the H95 with an attachable N95 mask.

      the 9595 should be available by next Black Friday.

    • nikoB says:

      Thanks for the ad. I will have to add you to my adblocker.

    • Very Far Frank says:

      Mirror is moving on from Scottish independence and I fully expect to see whole page comments reviewing various headphone models in short time.

      Never change, Mirror.

      • Kowalainen says:

        In all fairness the B&O H95’s are a fine piece of audio kit. I can recommend the Sennheiser 650’s I you like to be plugged in with open backs ripping out some sound pressure waves through your ears into the neocortex.

        At least we should be able to enjoy some good music to the dullard BS that is being bestowed upon our self entitled primate rear ends.

        🎶🎧🎶

  2. Shambolic says:

    Dr. Simone Gold, doctor, lawyer, truth-teller, just posted on Twitter:

    Facebook just announced it “made a mistake” when it censored studies showing HCQ saves lives. Censorship is never “a mistake.” Tech executives repeatedly made a calculated decision, month after month, silencing physicians worldwide.

    Censorship kills.

    https://twitter.com/drsimonegold/status/1354936464254107650

  3. JoJo says:

    There less resources. Not enough pie. Someone has to get cut out. The elite are simply defining new rules for pie distribution. It is hereby declared all trump supporters are not to have pie. As these are largely older it makes sense from the perspective that they have had their time. Its a sudden rule change but there are lots of rule changes.

    All of the rule changes are about one thing. Comply if you want pie. This has been happening in the corporate world for a long time. People are used to it. Freds gone but he was a kick ass worker. John is still here. John fawns over the plant manager and parties with him. John listens carefully and repeats with vigor and gusto!

    Vigor and gusto are very valuable assets. A new line appears on the dance floor. What side do you want to be on? Yes get over there but compliment the line , adore the line, accept and revel in the line. Thats the team spirit they are looking for. Because theres new lines coming real soon. Everyone understands that. Best develop vigor and gusto! Three masks how about four! Get both vaccines moderna and phizer! All three astra too! Be a early adopter! Innovate! Like zuckerman! Like Bezos!

    And the trump supporters understand that they are not capable of jumping over to that side of the line. they are far from welcome there. They would never make it on that side of the line. Even some who are on that side of the line have a real hard time there. All they can do is accept their fate. Find their place in the new ghettos where there kind lives and keep there head down until they die. Its easier to be with your own underclass.

    Its important that the line was drawn arbitrarily. Reasons yes but it must be fundamentally arbitrary. It must be understood once the line is drawn it is a done deal. This is training. This is a communication from our masters.

    On the correct side of the line and riot? No big deal. On the wrong side of the line and pass gas? You are a monster! No compassion for monsters. No sympathy for monsters if you are on the correct side of the line. Sympathy for monsters is a worse sin than being on the wrong side of the line. It desecrates the sacred privilege of being on the correct side of the line. With a exception in itself a lesson. Those of the correct gender and race can voice opposition but only them. All of the new rules are a lesson and a teaching.

    Capiche? Savvy? Do you want to be here or over there? Do you want some pie? Teaching at its finest.

    There can be no acknowledgment for those over there. The best they can possibly do is possibly manage is to keep their head down enough to avoid trouble until they die off. They are the redheaded stepchild who can do no good. Their children are tainted too. Cant have resources in the hands of redheaded stepchildren offspring. So money has to go. Ownership has to go. New rules. That model was demonstrated with trump. His hair wasnt red so they called it orange. Four years of false investigations. Four years of condeming the man regardless of his actions. It was a teaching event that is now soon culminated with trump in a cage. But the real lesson is only now realized. The dawning new awareness is that it isnt just trump who is hated regardless of actual actions. That was kindergarten. Were in first grade now. ALL OF YALL ARE GUILTY BY DEFAULT! ALL OF YALL ARE FIT FOR CAGING NOW! WE DECIDE THE LINE! WE DECIDE WHETHER YOUR CORRECT!

    Welcome to the first grade. The krakken were the tooth fairy of kindergarten. The krakken move has the feeling of a particularly vicious martial art style that get all the opponents mass moving in one direction only to move a wrist in the opposite direction in a lock.

    The teaching couldnt have occured without trump. The line couldnt have been drawn with hillary in. Was he a setback or a tool? That I dont know and no mere mortal will ever know either. None the less gratefulness is demonstrated to trump in the obsession about him that supposedly reflects hate but is actually the dedication of a brand new first grade teacher.

    Trump was never all that. Trump sucked up to the MIC. Trump caved on health choice freedom and brought us the corniest cliche named monstrosity of operation warp speed. Trump increased the dept just as much as his fabulous predecessors of 16 years. His underdog status was just more smoke and mirrors. That underdog status is essential to the teaching. The teaching can not occur without conflict and differentiation. Those that dont like it have only one tool. get along. Thats it, Thats our sole tool for choosing another path. Get along. Aknowledge all humans without lines. Dwell in love. Dwell in acceptance. Which side of the line you are on is the great illusion. The real illusion is the line itself. That is humanity’s choice.

    • There certainly are a lot of illusions that people are supposed to believe: Vaccines will soon turn the epidemic around. Renewables will save us. Climate change is our worst problem. Electric cars are the future. The stock market will rise endlessly. More debt is good. GDP growth will soon resume. Minorities and women should be disproportionately represented in promotions.

    • Tim Groves says:

      +++++++

      That was an amazing post. You made some very astute observations and drew some very reasonable conclusions that help clarify the current situation.

    • Thierry says:

      Superb! Thanks for the lesson.
      I love this one “The krakken move has the feeling of a particularly vicious martial art style that get all the opponents mass moving in one direction only to move a wrist in the opposite direction in a lock”. I will remember it!

    • Xabier says:

      Bravo!

    • Jarle says:

      Well said!

    • doomphd says:

      JoJo, that was a great post. BTW, do you happen to live in Tucson, AZ?

    • Trump was not the end of America’s problems

      he was the beginning of America’s problems

    • JesseJames says:

      And worst of all, Trump caved on the budget bill and signed it, with it including an extension of the Patriot Act.

    • Kowalainen says:

      Yes, accept what the world (herd) makes of you or get your head in line with the dictates of objective reality. The elders, owners, messengers, what have you. What are they supposed to do? Abdicate to the herd? That’s crazy ideas. Ask yourself, would you?

      The party is over, accept it and align your expectations accordingly. Whining on and on and on about Klaus and Bill leads exactly to the place JoJo describes, enduring the suck of unrealistic expectations in the ghettos and slums.

      As I have pointed out for years, there’s your plant based diet and bicycle. Show some gusto and fortitude, you self entitled princess you.

      Once those cranks start spinning powered by the rice and beans in your guts. I can guarantee that you’ll be surprised how fast you discover that it’s wasn’t really a problem in the first place, rather a lovely predicament. It is called life. It hurts. How about Klaus and Bill you might think, well fuck ‘em. They’ll eventually end up in the same place as you. And you know where that is.

      Apply Rule #5. Grin.

  4. Fast Eddy says:

    Here’s a brief video summarizing the Covid Scam (and.. the CovIDIOTS are so dumb… they still won’t get it)… Dumber than yeast.. dumber than morons… dumber than rats….

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2020/dec/08/matt-hancock-brought-to-tears-on-tv-as-first-covid-vaccinations-begin-video

    • Yorchichan says:

      In the Spring of last year when I first heard that there would be no getting back to normal until everybody had been vaccinated against covid-19, I knew it had all been about the vaccine all along. After all, that was a time when a successful coronavirus vaccine had never been developed and the death rate for covid was known already to be well under 1%.

      Now people are queuing to get a highly dangerous inadequately tested experimental vaccine against a disease which poses a tiny threat to them, even though it’s not known if the vaccine reduces transmission of the virus but it is known a return to normality will not be allowed no matter how many are vaccinated.

      Dumb indeed.

      • Jason says:

        Better than sticking around and watching the collapse, for some.
        They are dumb, but they are not so dumb.

    • Minority Of One says:

      I have seen this video before and looks to me like Hancock is trying not to laugh.

      He is probably thinking: “I cannot believe we are getting away with this so easily. Just how stupid / gullible can these people be?”

      • Very Far Frank says:

        I douby Hancock is in on anything- he’s just got one of those gormless ‘I believe everything told to me by authority figures’ faces.

        • Tim Groves says:

          I’ve known three Hancocks in my time—Sheila, Tony, and young Matt—and all three of them are or were superb actors and entertaining comedians. The Hancock gene—It’s obviously in the family.

        • Xabier says:

          There’s a photo of Hancock getting Schwabbed by Uncle Klaus of the WEF – a live show of the most perverted kind….

          He knows just what he is up to, we may be sure.

      • Xabier says:

        The first person to be vaccinated in England was carefully selected: a man named William Shakespeare.

        No doubt Hancock was laughing at the crudity of the propaganda machine.

        I burst out laughing myself when I saw the news, it really is too much….

    • This video is from December 8, 2020. Matt Hancock is emotional regarding how important it is to get people vaccinated and thus saved from the flu.

    • Jarle says:

      It’s a mad mad world …

  5. Pentagon receives FEMA request for military to support Covid-19 vaccinations
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/politics/fema-dod-covid-vaccinations/index.html

    • It sounds like the Department of Defense is trying to figure out how it could help scale up vaccinations. Part of the problem is lack of place to give the vaccinations and adequate staff to provide the vaccinations. I wound wonder if having enough very low temperature freezers might not also be a limiting factor, apart from all the other issues.

  6. Chief epidemiologist of Chinese CDC admits: ‘They didn’t isolate the virus’. No – they have never seen the alleged ‘virus’ code or isolated ‘it’ from other genetic material, bacteria and toxins in a laboratory.
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/WtNKnVJIbIh5/

    • That is strange! I had thought that the Wuhan lab had produced an isolated version of the virus about the time that it hit China.

      We clearly have a lot of people getting sick from something. I don’t think most people would consider “not isolating the virus” more than a technicality. We keep hearing about the many different mutations of the virus that have been found. Researchers around the world must be using something as their base with respect to what they are looking for.

      We have lots of sick patients around the world. If we can tell that some have one variation of the virus and others have another, we must be able to identify the virus pretty well.

    • Azure Kingfisher says:

      China first shared the SARS-CoV-2 genetic sequence on Virological.org, a hub for prepublication data in January 2020:

      https://virological.org/t/novel-2019-coronavirus-genome/319

      You should read through the comments – it’s an intriguing view into the abstract data puzzle that lies at the heart of the SARS-CoV-2 scamdemic.

      Now, how difficult would it be to construct a fake genetic sequence for a novel virus? What if you used the genomes of existing members of the coronavirus family to build a convincing foundation? You could then share your work of art online and get others to work in good faith to reconcile any “sequencing flaws” they discovered in your creation.

      China shared a bit of data with the world and the world took it from there. Couple this with with widespread PCR testing at unreasonably high cycle thresholds to achieve false positives and create “cases,” label virtually all illness and deaths as COVID-19 related, and we have a scamdemic.

      • JoJo says:

        Its a emperors clothes situation. If you are in the profession you probably have a deep belief that the creation of a genetic sequence proves the existence of a virus. If you know your career is over if you question this one might be apt to go with the crowd on this subject.

        I often discuss technical subjects with young people. Their comes a point in the conversation where they make decision. The decision is they dont need to understand the subject. They trust me they just want answers.

        I watch for the decision in their eyes. It is completely discernible the moment they make the decision.

        AS soon as they make the decision I immediately start looking for what is keeping them from understanding. I question them to find where this is. Often it is a word they dont understand.

        They find this quite frustrating and often just request the answer. I reply that i will give them the answer but it is the last one I will ever give them so it is in their interest to understand the material from that perspective. They see that as forcing them to learn a hard subject. I see it as them developing their own body of knowledge so they have autonomous skills.

        Our society is incredibly complex. We have learned to just get the answer. We have learned to trust the geek. The geek feeds the information and we make our decisions off of the information provided by multiple geeks.

        Genome sequencing is a rather complex process. Most people are not going take the time to understand it. The issue of whether a layman can have competency to understand the process is a valid one. The issue of whether the discipline has the ability to correct flaws in assumptions is also valid.

        Questioning is often seen as a exercise in ego by some. How could you a layman possibly understand? What qualifies you to question a geek who has spent many years developing the knowledge?

        My answer to that is obvious. Your looking to inject a MRNA genetic modifying agent into my body. Im certainly going to evaluate the premise which that radical action is based.

        And my belief is no that is a entirely inappropriate risky and suspect action even without the understanding the shadow premises of genetic sequencing that is the basis of understanding the supposed “threat”. Understanding the shadow premise of genetic sequencing just makes a ridiculous premise insane.

        Others make their decisions about their body based on a way of operating that has served them well. Trust the geek. Let the geeks provide you with data. Make your decisions off that. They have trust not just in the the geek but in their method of operating off information summarized for their consumption. They see the question as “why would I not trust the geek?”
        “How dare you question the geek” and most important “how dare you question my operating method?” .

        Their body their choice.

        Their faith is not my faith.

        • Kowalainen says:

          Interesting point.

          However, a geek of trade X can provide some savagery on geek Y’s ass, by merely some basic reasoning and deduction abilities.

          Specially if a group of geeks in trade X, Y and Z band together against some idiotic absurdity of other geeks in trade Y.

          Genome sequences = code. Ask any computer programmer about self modifying code and viruses.

          Wasn’t the first sequencing sorted by a programmer after the halfwits tried to apply some garbage coding skills on the problem.

          “How Perl Saved the Human Genome Project”
          https://www.foo.be/docs/tpj/issues/vol1_2/tpj0102-0001.html

  7. Ed says:

    Why are TPTB working to turn off FF? They have plenty of smart wage slaves that can calculate the cost of pv/wind and know it is a niche market not a societal solution.

    • Perhaps the powers that be are turning off fossil fuels because they can see that investments in FF are unprofitable. Investments in pv/wind are subsidized and, because of this, profitable. It is a no-brainer as to where investment should be under such a scenario. The FF industry gives relatively little push back, because they cannot make FFs work. They think that perhaps they, too, can make money in the renewables bonanza.

      Of course, pv/wind don’t really work. It is simply the fact that the subsides make them profitable, for now, that push them along.

      • Ed says:

        Than you Gail, I am hitting my head and saying duh of course subsidizes!

      • VFatalis says:

        USA is entering the twilight zone.

        • Ed says:

          VF, indeed. The government is doing everything it can to increase social unrest, destroy jobs, destroy the energy system, destabilize the electric grid, demoralize with never ending lockdown.

          Things left to do take all guns, shutdown all internet comment sites that are not party line, disrupt farming (divide all large farms and give to POC as reparations?), disrupt and centralize medicine, disrupt top tier universities by making admission by random pic and fully funded by fed gov remember grades are racist, Jamal used to jack cars but today he is graduating from Harvard with a degree in international affairs. He has already been offered the ambassadorship to Sweden. Yes the best it yet to come.

          • Duncan Idaho says:

            Real GDP was down 3.5% in 2020 from 2019. This was the worst year since 1946 (WWII drawdown). And other than WWII drawdown, this was the worst year since the Great Depression.

          • I seriously want to know—when the government has (deliberately) destabilised everything outlined in your comment—what is the ultimate purpose?

            Taking one point alone: destroying the energy system.

            To what ultimate purpose? Every action requires purpose. What is it?

            I don’t mean next week’s purpose, but a decade hence? There has to be a ‘purpose’. I try to draw on logic to find one, but other than total social breakdown where we eat each other, I can’t figure out what it might be.

            You’ve said it will happen. (is happening) I assume you know how, why and so on.

            If the grand plan is for a super rich elite to hold onto their obscene wealth, while the rest of us become serfs and vassals, I need it explained how that might work.

            If I’m Bezos, the richest man in the world, I am painfully aware that my wealth is totally dependent on millions of the lower orders passing my parcels from hand to hand to keep my warehouse hubs working.

            If the energy system is destabilised, then my business flow ceases, my warehouses close down, and I became a pauper like everybody else. Social unrest will guarantee my warehouses get looted.

            Though where the looters will sell my stuff, I’m not quite sure.
            Because destabilising the energy system will kill the monetary system.
            There will none available with which to buy anything.

            Would you exchange a bag of groceries for a piece of paper? (effectively an IOU)

            • Ed says:

              Norman, you are correct an action is taken only if someone benefits. To me it looks like China destroying the US.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Taking one point alone: destroying the energy system.

              To what ultimate purpose? Every action requires purpose. What is it?

              What’s the apparent purpose? What’s the reason the people destroying the energy system give?

              Let’s ask Greta.

              OK, I’ve just asked Greta, and through the miracle of the worldwideweb, I’ve discovered that in January 2020, Greta gave the following reply about why she wants the World Economic Forum to destroy the energy system.

              “We demand that at this year’s forum, participants from all companies, banks, institutions and governments immediately halt all investments in fossil fuel exploration and extraction, immediately end all fossil fuel subsidies and immediately and completely divest from fossil fuels.

              We don’t want these things done by 2050, 2030 or even 2021, we want this done now – as in right now.
              Young people are being let down by older generations and those in power. To some it may seem like we are asking for a lot. But this is just the very minimum of effort needed to start the rapid sustainable transition. The fact that this still – in 2020 – hasn’t been done already is, quite frankly, a disgrace.

              We understand and know very well that the world is complicated and that what we are asking for may not be easy. But the climate crisis is also extremely complicated, and this is an emergency. In an emergency you step out of your comfort zone and make decisions that may not be very comfortable or pleasant. And let’s be clear – there is nothing easy, comfortable or pleasant about the climate and environmental emergency.

              Yet, since the 2015 Paris agreement, 33 major global banks have collectively poured $1.9tn (£1.5tn) into fossil fuels, according to Rainforest Action’s report. The IMF concluded that in 2017 alone, the world spent $5.2tn subsidising fossil fuels. This has to stop.

              The world of finance has a responsibility to the planet, the people and all other species living on it. In fact, it ought to be in every company and stakeholder’s interest to make sure the planet they live on will thrive. But history has not shown the corporate world’s willingness to hold themselves accountable. So it falls on us, the children, to do that. We call upon the world’s leaders to stop investing in the fossil fuel economy that is at the very heart of this planetary crisis. Instead, they should invest their money in existing sustainable technologies, research and in restoring nature. Short-term profit should not trump long-term stability of life.”

            • Artleads says:

              Do you not believe that, with such an imbalance of wealth and power as Bazos types exemplify, that they can set rules of “governance” that suit themselves but could be draconian for the rest of us?

              As we see from 2020, world affairs can change very drastically very quickly. Couldn’t they continue to change along similar trajectories till even slavery could be sanctioned widely? (Why is Bill Gates buying so much land?)

              As you have repeatedly said, what societies do is almost entirely about energy rather than humanism.

            • I’ll try to answer all replies on this thread together, if I can. No doubt I shall be booed off the stage, I’m a rotten comedian. No matter, I only write to solidify my own thoughts.

              first, Thunberg is thinking in a very simplistic manner, with no experience of real life. she means well, but her mental vision is very limited, both for the present, and future consequences of such propositions.
              Switch the lights off now, and our world crashes and burns by tomorrow morning.

              I equate her thinking, in some ways, to the ‘childrens crusade’ of 1212. A bit misty in actual history, but to condense the story a ‘poor shepherd boy’ gathered around him 30000 or so other young people to accomplish what their elders couldn’t, i.e. to take back Jerusalem from the infidels.
              It did not end well.

              My guess is that it was the same ‘Thunberg’ phenomena. A localised form of social hysteria.

              Those involved in the children’s crusade had no experience of real life. They had a blind faith that god would not allow harm to come to them.
              Anyone interested can google it. I don’t want to cut and paste reams of stuff here.

              Thunberg has provided some kind of ‘social focus’ because we are desperate for one. Therefore she thinks she is one, delivering great wisdom. She isn’t, Just a globalised form of social hysteria.

              ***********

              Anyone with a functioning brain can figure out that climate change, energy depletion and overpopulation are combining to shut down the living system we have created over the last 300 years. There is no human ‘pre-intention’ involved, no grand plan of the privileged elite. No plot, no hoax. Covid has just advanced the timetable. That isn’t a plot either.

              It is almost impossible to accept, (as Artleads suggests) but money and (fiscal) power do not run the world. That is part of the self-perpetuating delusion we have created these last 300 ‘blink of an eye’ years.

              In my ramblings on OFW, I try to suggest that we view time from the wrong perspective–ie humantime; when we should be aware of the meaning of earthtime. We see survival in ourselves, kids and grandkids. The earth sees survival as its existence over billions of years.

              The ego of humanity makes it difficult to accept that our recent history has been no more than a 300 year sneeze in the tissue of time. And tissues get discarded.

              We see Bezos and Gates et al piling up wealth as a ‘plot’. We are in denial that we chose to help them do it. (same applied to Rockefeller).
              Bezos is currently a multi billionaire only because we suckers invest our energy in keeping him that way. (get your conspiring heads around that, and tell me otherwise?).

              We imagine them ‘conspiring’ to turn the world into a ‘slave farm’. Which is theoretically possible in ‘humantime’, (say a generation or three), and it would be most unpleasant, but in ‘earthtime’ it can’t work. personally I don’t think it could work at all. Humans are too revolting.
              ‘Slave earth’ runs out of energy because sans oil, land energy output is specific to muscle energy input.
              The planet sets the rules of governance, it just allows us to think we do.

              Wealth does not create energy. Energy allows wealth to exist. (another immutable law I’m afraid)

              As I pointed out earlier, when our current system finally collapses, Bezos’ and Gates’s billions will evaporate into nothing. Owning a string of mansions, a yacht and private jet will mean nothing because you can’t power a super yacht with rows of galley slaves any more. Planes need oil. (no oil refineries) Mansions need physical protection.
              Men with guns can turn nasty whichever side of your fence they are on.

              Money can’t buy those things, only energy-investment can. Thunberg gets the system shut down. If there’s no energy to invest, the system stops, Bezos goes broke.

              And most of the rest of us starve, freeze or bleed to death.

              Still, 300 years from now, kids might be asked to believe all the fairy stories about what we did.

              https://extranewsfeed.com/the-life-i-stole-from-you-f609f8db6353

            • Harry McGibbs says:

              Tim, I think the situation is subtler.

              The self-organising global economy is looking to reconfigure itself so that it can bounce back from the pandemic with a fresh round of growth and is using narratives like Greta’s to facilitate that.

              As we know at OFW a “green industrial revolution” will be anything but green and will require lots of stimulus and of course, certainly in the near-term, lots of fossil fuels, so it may sustain the energy system rather than destroy it (if it gets off the ground without being derailed by collapsing debt-bubbles).

              And the green narrative allows humanity to overcome the cognitive dissonance caused by pursuing infinite growth in an ailing and resource-depleted biosphere and feel optimistic about the future, which is in itself essential for growth.

              I don’t pretend to know whether a cabal of elites is attempting to orchestrate an extreme de-growth scenario but I do know that a managed descent is a logistical impossibility and that they would be very foolish to try it.

              “The self-organisation reminds us that governments do not control their own
              economies. Nor does civil society. The corporate or financial sectors do not
              control the economies within which they operate. That they can destroy the
              economy should not be taken as evidence that they can control it.” [David Korowicz]

            • Tim Groves says:

              I can’t read minds, but I do remember that calls to shut down the nuclear and fossil fuel energy infrastructure in the West and even the hydroelectricity infrastructure were coming thick and fast before the Covid-19 business started up. And I also remember that they were justified on the grounds of preserving or restoring the natural environment or forestalling globbly wobbly.

              The Covid-19 business—whether natural or artificial, real or contrived, understated or oversold—was the excuse, the pretext, the trigger, the prompt or the cue to actually begin to reduce overall energy consumption by closing down or curtailing travel, events, wining and dining, and places of amusement.

              Norman, you asked why governments would do such a thing as destroying the energy system. I don’t claim to know why and it makes no sense to me to speculate without adequate information. I merely note that the established nuclear and fossil fuel energy system is being destroyed and the process has been going on for some years now. Greta and her fellow child crusaders think it is essential to do this, but so do a great raft of adult elitists, mostly politicians and bankers of the globalist persuasion, and many of them are passionate to get on with the job of closing every coal mine and coal-fired power station, shutting down every nuclear reactor, plugging every oil and gas well, and banning the use of internal combustion engines.

              And they don’t come much more passionate than this young woman. Talk about the face that launched a thousand ships.

              https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/AOC-angry.jpg

              Whether they really want to close ALL of it down I have no idea, but they make a big deal out of announcing that they want to do it in order to save the world.

            • the underlying reality is, as I see it, they will not save the world

              so why do they go on pretending to?

              the reason quite mundane really–they follow the basic law of employment:

              that the most important aspect of any job, is keeping it.

              a politician is like anybody else, a home to run, bills to pay, pay rise every year a pension to look forward to maybe.and so on. chances are that politicking is all he knows. most of them are not super rich with independent means, but government pay is good. better than most.

              so if he turns to the voters and says sorry. we’re all screwed, he’s out on his ear, sharpish.

              that said, they know no more than you or me.—we just expect them to.
              so when covid comes along, its panic stations, because no one—no one–knows what to do for the best.

              Essentially, they are faced with a choice:

              1—-shut the country down and hope that stops it in its tracks, but then they get blamed for everyone being out of work and the economic system collapsing
              2— ignore it and watch the health service collapse under the strain, with medical staff being asked to work kamikaze shifts to look after people–for which politicians also get blamed.

              we haven’t yet reached the third option, just let people die.

              And to the conspiracy/hoax merchants, I ask again–would you get on a 300 seat jet, with passengers and staff untested, and fly somewhere for 10 hours?? I think it might tax your hoaxability somewhat.

              *****

              same applies to the energy system

              coal and oil are poisoning and overheating the planet, nuclear is a time bomb for the future.
              Joe Public is bombarded with stuff from all sides. The politician just wants to stay in office till retirement age.

              so.

              He goes along with ‘renewables’ because in the mind of Joe Public, energy is just—energy.
              Turbines and solar panels will save our economic system. (if he ever thinks of it at all). With windmills we can have our electric cars and dream forever.
              Anyone with 2 brain cells in sync knows that renewables won’t cut it. The politician just wants to get to retirement age before SHTF time.

              My main point is that ‘destabilisation’ isn’t deliberate. Covid had just wobbled the wheels a bit. Imagine what will happen when they come off.

              Its an inevitability of not knowing what to do:

              1—burn all the oil coal and gas until we fry
              2— go along with renewables but don’t mention that we will starve and freeze.

              Or go along with the ponzi schemers again, and believe that infinite prosperity is something we can vote for.
              Which many of us do–eagerly. While reading and being comforted by every self appointed conspiracy nutcase around. Makes life easier to be certain that the mess isn’t ‘your’ fault

              ”It’s not your fault–it’s their fault”–its these people at Davos conspiring against you.—when in fact it’s ‘our’ fault. ‘We’ burned all the oil, not ‘they’

              In UK we voted for the madness of Brexit, because it was going to make Britain great again
              in the USA they voted for Trump, ditto.
              (we want our country back–heard on both sides of the pond)

              exactly the same stupid mindset.

              **********

              Just out of interest, I did a very quick scan over the OFW archives the other day, I might have missed things, but I couldn’t find any mention of conspiracies and hoaxes further back than 2015/16.

              Now why might that be, I ask my cynical self?
              Trump gets elected in 2016 and suddenly the QAnonsensers take prominence? Makes ya think.

              Social media is the really dangerous virus. a few people in OFW got infected, and take delight in spreading it. Yes I go along with the ‘windup’ of some, but there are those with lesser intellect who actually believe it all. Those with immunity would laugh if it wasn’t so sad.

              here’s another one after the job of nutter in chief, verging on criminal liability:

              https://www.mediamatters.org/false-flag-conspiracy-theory/facebook-2018-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-endorsed-conspiracy-theories.

              ah well–she’s ‘extreme’–well no she isn’t. she got elected, so thousands if not millions agree with her.

              there was an excellent radio play on BBC radio today
              ‘Our Truth, Their Lies’
              I recommend listening to it, to anyone able to, about the plague of conspiracists infecting us all.

              https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000rnlc

            • Fast Eddy says:

              2— ignore it and watch the health service collapse under the strain, with medical staff being asked to work kamikaze shifts to look after people–for which politicians also get blamed.

              Let’s check in with a front-line worker and get the REAL STORY:

              An NHS Nurse Writes…

              A Lockdown Sceptics reader and registered nurse who has been working in NHS hospitals throughout the crisis has written the following article for us about his experience.

              Matt Hancock said that there are 37,475 patients in hospitals in the UK with coronavirus – yet no context was offered. So there are approximately 120,000 NHS beds in England, which would make Hancock’s figure around 30% of NHS England bed capacity (and that’s not taking into account bed capacity of Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland).

              That also doesn’t take into account extra potential capacity from private hospitals nor the Nightingale hospitals. A headline grabbing statistic like “37,000 Covid admissions” might sound alarming, but without context it is meaningless.

              It is also important to stress that this figure of 37,475 are patients admitted for any health reason, with a positive PCR test on admission or within the last 14 days – it is definitely not 37,000 patients who are unwell with Covid respiratory symptoms.

              Patients are tested on admission to determine whether to be put in “green” or “red” areas. I have seen first-hand patients admitted to hospital for completely unrelated conditions, nil Covid symptoms, but have a positive PCR test on admission.

              These go down as “Covid admissions” but they are actually admitted for conditions completely unrelated to the respiratory system, such as heart failure or kidney disease.

              I am sure by now we all have known somebody who has had a positive Covid test result but no symptoms. This is true also for hospitalised patients being admitted for other reasons – massively inflating the “Covid admission” numbers.

              I have also had first-hand experience of patients who have been admitted into hospital for an unrelated reason, and caught Covid whilst there (nosocomial infection) – and then they also go down in the NHS statistics as Covid admissions.

              Hancock’s figures without context are not only unhelpful, they are misleading the public.

              Surprisingly, NHS bed occupancy rates are at relatively low levels for this time of year. So are the staff on the wards lying? No they are not. I know first-hand how busy it feels, but I see four main reasons to explain why it feels so busy:

              (1) Staff self-isolating – this is causing huge numbers of staff to be off work. I feel the impact of this first-hand in my ward. On a regular basis we have staff awaiting a test, as they or someone in their household has a symptom, however mild. I am sure most my colleagues are genuinely concerned not to be infected and pass it on to their vulnerable patients, so are acting ultra cautiously. But there is also room to milk the system, as it is fully paid time off work, and not counted as “sick leave”.

              Nurses are absolutely hard working people – but we are only human too, not saints. As soon as the decision is made to get a test, then we cannot return to work until PCR tested and the result comes back negative. Reduced staffing is causing the NHS significant strain.

              (2) Thousands of NHS beds have been removed. This is not due to budget cuts this time (which in fact have reduced NHS beds significantly year on year) but due to social distancing requirements. I have experienced this first-hand: the hospitals I work in have removed beds for social distancing regulations, which has meant the departments fill up much quicker, and can cause backlog in the system.

              (3) Regulations such as donning and doffing PPE (which is actually very time consuming when done properly) – and segregating patients in “green zones” or “red zones” – causes logistical problems, making workloads much busier and much more stressful.

              (4) A huge amount of bed capacity has been lost due to a lack of NHS funded nursing home beds. Previously, the NHS funded beds in nursing homes to take “medically fit” elderly who were awaiting care packages to begin from social services – these beds were referred to as “hub beds” in my Trust.

              However, at the moment this option seems to be unavailable (for understandable reasons, as nursing homes were not “Covid safe” environments during the spring). This results in “bed blocking” in the hospital, and causes a backlog further down, ultimately filling A&E.

              I’m not saying that hospitals are not busy – they are incredibly busy, particularly ICUs in London and the South East. What I am saying is the amount of patients coming in to the hospitals is not unprecedented. It is the policy decisions that are making this period feel unprecedented, and not the actual crude work load.

              This is so important to understand as the severe restrictions on our lives are justified in order to “protect the NHS”. I therefore feel obligated to speak out, as how I am experiencing my work within the NHS is not quite how the media is portraying it.

              The image above is from December 2017. It is a photograph of patients on hospital trolleys due to the wards being completely full – the NHS was in crisis. Yet we didn’t realise how good we had it – back then we had no staff self-isolating, more hospital beds, no routine time-consuming PPE requirements, and better discharge flow of patients out of hospitals. It is decisions by NHS policymakers that are making this winter feel so much worse.

              https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/29/latest-news-269/

            • Harry McGibbs says:

              “I do remember that calls to shut down the nuclear and fossil fuel energy infrastructure in the West… were coming thick and fast before the Covid-19 business started up…”

              They were indeed but then growth was stalling out before Covid-19, too. The need for growth-stimulating reconfiguration has become much more urgent since the pandemic, of course, and now Biden has come to the fore to facilitate.

            • if they were bent on destroying the energy system EVs wouldn’t function either

            • Harry McGibbs says:

              “Largest US automaker (General Motors) says it aims to be carbon neutral by 2040 as Biden pushes for electric vehicles.”

              https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/28/gm-electric-vehicles-cars-gas-diesel

            • Zero cars is carbon neutral. This is an easy goal.

            • in one of my comments on this thread, I said something like:

              we can have our ev’s and go on dreaming forever. I was being ironic.

              vehicles are just an extension of our means to convert/consume energy

              GM and others ‘can go on producing them’, on the fantasy that it will be like the 50s and 60s again. I don’t see how that can be.

              We make journeys for only 2 reasons, work and leisure.

              (I’m speaking in broad terms here)

              we drive to ‘work’ and then convert one energy form into another, for which we get wages, and drive home. We can’t all work from home forever. Most of us can’t work from home at all.

              All other journeys are part of ‘leisure’, because we do the energy conversion (converting energy into forward motion), but not the wages part
              At schools, shops, vacations and so on, our ‘travel’ (energy conversion) pays other people’s wages.

              Having an EV doesn’t change anything, because if (as suggested on this thread) the system itself shuts down, there will be no wages, because there will be no process of energy conversion.
              EVs don’t make us wealthy, they consume energy.

              We seem to be entering a period when energy itself is becoming unaffordable in whatever form we choose to use it. Producing millions of EVs won’t make it affordable across a big enough swathe of people to change that. A sustainable economic system must produce vast quantities of different goods, affordable to billions of people.
              (Cars are secondary to that, under no circumstances can we think of car production as our primary function of employment)

              that would mean that Alice really was presiding over the wonderland of our jobs market.

              That worked when energy was both cheap and surplus, and fuel was liquid in tanks. I get the impression that trying to power vast fleets of EVs would crash the grid system. Hybrids, as I understand it, do not give vastly improved performance figures over petrol. Hydrogen is just another form of battery.

              We can’t work the same economic miracle of 50 years ago with energy that is relatively expensive and harder to get hold of.

              We’ve perhaps made a collective mistake: We see someone in a posh car, and associate it with ‘wealth’–ie the car has produced the wealth. Association of ideas. So as long as we go on producing wealth, wealth will continue to flow from our factories.

      • Ivan says:

        Gail,

        I am a longtime follower and admirer but I have never commented before. One clarification I would appreciate is that we talk of renewables being subsidized, but FF also get subsidized, just differently?

        Second, I hypothesize that some may believe as I do that, given the following:

        1. FF are not sustainable for all the reasons given on this site.

        2. Growth is not sustainable and must contract to a sustainable level, but it is not popular to suggest at this time.

        3. Renewables are intermittent and cannot deliver the same level and baseload capacity as we expect today, but could deliver a reasonable level of energy in a growth constrained world.

        Knowing these, lets build some renewables so that when things crash and it becomes conducive to having a discussion on restraining growth, then perhaps we can have a reasonable life on a planet that is still habitable.

        As Nate Hagens says, we don’t have a shortage of energy, we have a longage of expectations.

        So in a post growth world, perhaps we could reduce our economy and live well within the limitations of renewables and adjust to using energy when the wind is blowing and the sun is shining?

        I don’t personally see another choice.

        • nikoB says:

          2. growth is never sustainable by its very definition. There will be contraction after reaching limits. To be sustainable it must not grow.

          What our civilisation will look like at level of “sustainable” is anyone’s guess but it sure won’t be anything as prosperous as today’s civ.

          • Ivan says:

            Thanks nikoB, in reference to growth it can also be negative, which is what needs to happen until someday far in the future we could level off.

            I totally agree with you, thanks for your feedback!

        • The renewables we will end up living with will be the least complex renewables:

          1. Trees we can cut down, or branches we can pick up, and burn
          2. Sailboats
          3. Water wheels for grinding grain
          4. Animal labor
          5. Perhaps simple wooden wind mills, for pumping water

          We will not have electricity. There will be very few people alive, I expect. There will be very little in the way of metals, because we have extracted nearly all of the ores that are easy to be extracted. Trying to work with the ones we have left will be difficult, because we likely need to first make charcoal from wood to get a high temperature (1,100 degrees Celcius or 2,010 degrees Fahrenheit). Higher temperatures that this are needed for making steel and for melting many kinds of alloys.

          Thus, a very small number of us end up living a very limited life style. We had problems with deforestation long ago. Actually, any time that we try to make any sizable quantity of charcoal, or we try to heat very many homes, we end up with a deforestation problem.

          Regarding subsidies for fossil fuels versus renewables, we really need to talk about taxes worldwide on fossil fuels versus taxes worldwide on wind and solar, with both of these net of subsidies. Fossil fuels pay very high taxes net of subsidies, while wind and solar are only possible because of subsidies. They can never pay their way.

          Fossil fuels have historically sold at a high price, relative to the cost of extraction, in most of the world. Fossil fuels were very beneficial to the system. Prices for fossil fuels historically could be very high, relative to the cost of production. For example, the price of oil could be $50, but the cost of extraction $10, leaving $40 for reinvestment and for taxes. Taxes could be very high, still leaving an amount for investment in new oil fields. There is a great deal of argument about what is or is not a subsidy for fossil fuels, but the net situation (given today’s low oil prices) is that fossil fuels do not have enough funds for reinvestment in new fields. Middle East oil exporters are in especially dire circumstances, given today’s low prices. They are borrowing money. Some contractors are not being paid.

          Wind and solar always need subsidies. The biggest of these subsidies is the subsidy of “going first.” In a sense, wind and solar only replace the coal or natural gas used to operate plants generating electricity using fossil fuels, but they get reimbursed as if they were producing a valuable electricity product. Wind and solar need a lot of fossil fuel backup to be useful.

          The European Grid had major problems on January 8 of this year, because there was not enough fossil fuel generation, relative to the renewables. Adding more renewables to the electric grid is asking for problems. California, Australia, and Sweden have all had problems with their grids, because of the large amount of renewables already on their grids.

        • doomphd says:

          you present a false choice. the alternatives you suggest are not real alternatives, they depend upon fossil fuels. if you abandon the fossil fuels, you will collapse what we are enjoying right now. if you (and Greta) prefer mass suicide, continue on your crusade to abandon the fossil fuels. the climate and environment might improve some (this is still somewhat doubtful), but few to no humans will be around to enjoy the change, if it comes.

        • Jarvis says:

          Ivan, renewables are very problematic for investors also. For example Site C Hydro electric dam in BC will cost at least 10 billion dollars and yield $2 billion return in the power it generates. On a much smaller scale my solar system costs $25K and over its 15 years of life it will provide me with $2,000 worth of power. That works for me but not an investor or the economy- not to mention the intermittent nature of solar power.

          • JesseJames says:

            In reality your solar system, assuming it is made with conventional solar cells, will last much longer than 15 yrs. Solar cells will typically fall in output approximately 1% per year, so in 15 yrs, your solar system should be yielding 85% of its rated power.
            Theoretically, it will yield power for your lifetime, subject to the reduction in output of 1% per year.
            This is no way implies that it is an effective investment or a reliable power source.

            • Ivan says:

              Thanks for your input JesseJames! I do have a small sealed lead acid B/U system that would keep my bare necessities running for a couple of days. I went with SLA due to cost when I installed it several years ago and plan to upgrade in another 5 years or so.

          • Ivan says:

            I have a better situation with my 4.7kW solar system. I paid $21K after tax credits and generate about 5800 kWh/year, and get 12 cents/kWh credit, so lets say $700/year. I expect this to last my lifetime of which I have hopefully 30 years left, so $21K over 30 years.

            Some would say that is a bad investment, but I look at it as locking in my cost of electricity for the rest of my life when I am on a fixed income. Yes I could have invested that money in the stock market and risked loosing money, but the cost of electricity will undoubtedly go up by at least 5%/year and that won’t affect me.

            Another twist on things is that, the best thing about FF energy is that it is not intermittent, but the worst thing about most FF energy is that it can’t ramp up and down to meet demand. Consequently there is a lot of electricity either wasted or heavily discounted at off-peak night times.

            I am switching to Time of Day (TOD) billing where I pay 7 cents at night and get 12 cents for my solar generated during the day at peak times. I can able to shift the majority of the use of my all electric home (including EV) in a cold climate to off-peak, so I can take advantage of a weakness of FF generation (understanding that a lot of wind is also generated at night).

            • nikoB says:

              I had solar running for 10 years but it never paid for itself as two inverters blew up during that time. It wasn’t worth getting another one when the second one blew last year. Hope yours does better.

            • JesseJames says:

              Good move Ivan. In my opinion, locking in a supply of electricity at a known cost in todays dollars is the reason to install it now….while the dollar still has some value left in it.
              On my latest system, I will have about $13K in a 12 kW solar system with two inverters. But that is because I could do it myself.
              Now I am upgrading to a 8kW battery backup micro grid. lithium iron phosphate batteries will last the rest of my life.
              Again, only cost effective when you factor in the unknown cost, if not availability of power in the future.

              One thing to think about Ivan. Your solar inverters will not operate if the grid is not there…due to NEC safety rules. You might want to think about a battery B/U microgrid. A Sonnen 4 kW system with 10kW of batteries is only $8500. Then you can be assured you will,have your own micro grid, even the rest of the world is dark.

            • JesseJames says:

              Niko, what kind of inverters did you use?
              On my first system I put in 32 Enphase microinverters. After 6 yrs of operation not one has failed.
              Most installers prefer standard inverters because they get a 10 yr warranty, slightly longer than with the microinverters.

            • jarvis says:

              Ivan, the only way your solar system will last a lifetime is if you’re 80 years old. But like me hopefully we’ll be better of than most. Nothing like being able to turn on the tap and flush the toilet and a few lights at night is nice!

            • Robert Firth says:

              Thank you, Ivan, a most interesting comment. In fact, many fossil fuel turbines must be kept spinning continuously, even if only under light load, because if they stop they sag and become unbalanced. And yes, an oversupply is often balanced by a price reduction.

              The UK fell into that trap over 50 years ago: buy electric heaters (huge things, by the way) that worked only at night on “cheap” electricity. So you are boiling hot at 0200, and freezing cold at 1800.

              But the problem with renewables, and in my view an insoluble one, is that the power delivered is based on supply (wind and sun), and this can never be made to match demand. Pumping water uphill is the least bad solution, but it can only be done in a few places and the environmental costs can be formidable.

            • Yorchichan says:

              Robert, to those of us who had known only a coal fire in one room and the rest of the house unheated, electric storage heaters were a godsend.

      • gpdawson2016 says:

        At last!…a comment explaining Covid in terms of energy. Hurrah! Since the Oildrum days we have anticipated collapse but when it comes we ask medical experts to explain it…go figure. It is the duty of this forum to explain current events though it’s own eyes…it’s own models.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “Why are TPTB working to turn off FF?”

      they are not.

      FF was down less than 10% in 2020.

      all FF exporting countries are wanting to export more, and importing countries are trying to maintain their supplies.

      no country is willingly trying to turn off FF.

  8. Health care worker dies after second dose of COVID vaccine, investigations underway
    ‘The message is, be safe, take the vaccine — but the officials need to do more research. We need to know the cause,’ said the wife of Tim Zook of Orange
    https://www.ocregister.com/2021/01/26/health-care-worker-dies-after-second-dose-of-covid-vaccine-investigations-underway/

    • Yorchichan says:

      The comment on the death from Pfizer:

      “We closely monitor all such events and collect relevant information to share with global regulatory authorities. Based on ongoing safety reviews performed by Pfizer, BioNTech and health authorities, (the vaccine) retains a positive benefit-risk profile for the prevention of COVID-19 infections. Serious adverse events, including deaths that are unrelated to the vaccine, are unfortunately likely to occur at a similar rate as they would in the general population.”

      Is the benefit-risk profile only claimed as positive if covid-19 infections are considered in isolation, so that an experimental vaccine induced death does not tip the scales to the side of risk as long as the covid-19 PCR test is negative? I wonder how positive the benefit-risk profile will be once pathogenic priming kicks in?

      There’s also the suggestion the healthcare worker’s death was not due to the experimental vaccine but rather was an unfortunate coincidence, despite the fact a perfectly healthy individual became ill only 2 1/2 hours after taking the experimental vaccine and died a few days later.

      I’m not sure whose denial of the danger inherent in vaccines I find the most distasteful: big pharma’s or the wife’s?

    • Low oil prices => Unprofitable reserves.

      Get oil prices up to $200 per barrel, and I expect Russia will be able to add more profitable reserves.

      • Sheila chambers says:

        But WHO will be BUYING $200. a barrel OIL? That will cause our overextended civilization to collapse!
        That will be a HUGE WIN for every other living thing!

        • Kowalainen says:

          Take the money from the useless eaters, I.e. old money and chuck it over to the oil companies, roughnecks and drilling rig operators.

          If they don’t know how to invest in the future, rinse and repeat.

    • I would say, “Maybe a low price spike, say to $60 to $65 per barrel, but not enough to get prices up to where producers need them.” We will still have a big problem.

      Michael Lynch in this article says,

      The ultimate arbiter of long-term prices, though, is likely to be the level at which Permian (and shale more generally) can increase supply. The ability of U.S. shale producers to respond rapidly to higher prices should go a long way to reducing the odds of a price spike that is caused by simple market tightness, that is, absent another supply side shock.

      I don’t agree.

  9. Harry McGibbs says:

    “S&P Global Ratings warned this week it could very soon downgrade the ratings on some of the world’s biggest oil firms, citing increased risks coming from the energy transition, price volatility, and weaker profitability.”

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Worlds-Biggest-Oil-Firms-Face-Rating-Downgrades.html

  10. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Covid is a 1914 moment for the post-Cold War globalised order: Vaccine nationalism and border closures mark a paradigm shift with vast implications for freedom…

    “Many of the freedoms we had taken for granted have been revealed as temporary privileges, revocable at any time, by states that are flexing muscles we thought had atrophied. A liberal era is over; a new phase of managed globalisation is upon us. It will affect all of us hugely, in two major ways.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/27/covid-1914-moment-post-cold-war-globalised-order/

    • aka mega trend officially confirmed by the msm..

      • Kowalainen says:

        Well, it is never too late for giving up on the crazy. It sort of makes me a little sad, I’d prefer it to be a formidable launch of CO2 generating lunacy until all that remains would be a wasteland of pollution and radioactive clouds of death. Get Trump back!

        Yup, only suckers give in when the going gets tough. Specially entitled, self obsessed princesses.

        It is for sure never too late giving up. And I am all smiles about the pretentious little drama on the planet of rapacious primates and what have you.

        🤣👍

        • Ed says:

          Despair not Kowalainen, both FF up and FF down lead to exactly the same place. A world made by hand.

          • Kowalainen says:

            I sort of was hoping for nukes to fly. You know, a worthy grande finale to the crazy, celebrated as the end of biosphere party with FE as toastmaster.

            Is it too late for that with Klaus and cronies vaxxterminating the useless eaters?

            🎉 🎈🍾👯‍♀️🪅🎊

            🚀💥💥💥💥

            ☢️☢️☢️☢️

            ☠️X8B 👼

            😳👍

    • Robert Firth says:

      Thank you, Harry, a truly brilliant summary of our situation, written with the clear perspective of the historian, ‘sub specie aeternitatis’. I believe it can stand alongside Winston Churchill’s summary of the age that ended in 1914: “The old world, in its sunset, was fair to see.”

    • Managed globalism pulls the whole system down, I am afraid.

  11. Jarle says:

    In times of less, ref https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

    The question MSM never ask: Why do 2020 mortality differ so much between different countries?

    Dear fellow OFW visitor, what do you think?

    • VFatalis says:

      High mortality, high level of corruption

    • Vitamin D levels in the blood? Extent of use of public transport? Extent to which elderly are easily in the way of the virus? Extent of connection with international travel?

      • Sheila chambers says:

        I think you forgot to add NO HEALTH CARE SYSTEM HERE!

        We do NOT have a health care SYSTEM, we have PRIVATE FOR PROFIT INSURANCE SCAMS with thousands of rules, deductions, co-pays, acceptable sickness & diseases & injuries they won’t pay for, too many people cannot afford health care so they do without even when sick, their FORCED to go to work like I had to do & I was working in a HOSPITAL!

        What we need & will never have is a non-profit, SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE SYSTEM that covers everyone.
        We will never have health care for all here, the corporation$ control the government & “they” don’t want single payer, they are making out like the criminals they are with the current unjust system.

        One of the first things out of Bidens mouth was that he would VETO ANY MEDICARE FOR ALL BILL THAT CROSSED HIS DESK!
        WASF!

    • Yorchichan says:

      The UK’s Deagel population target for 2025 is more challenging than that of other countries, so it’s important we get out of the blocks quickly.

  12. Harry McGibbs says:

    This is news to no one here but worth remembering:

    “UNCTAD Reveals Economic Slowdown Before COVID-19… Although COVID-19 severely disrupted the world economy, UNCTAD notes that trade tensions between the US and China, fears over Brexit, and a negative global output outlook each contributed to a widespread trade downturn in 2019 that preceded the pandemic.”

    https://sdg.iisd.org/news/unctad-reveals-economic-slowdown-before-covid-19-provides-key-data-on-rcep-agreement/

  13. Harry McGibbs says:

    “The number of new cars built in the UK last year fell by a third to just under 921,000, the lowest total since 1984, latest industry figures reveal.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55817920

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Britain saw the biggest rise in vacant shops in over two decades late last year and the sharpest increase in empty offices since the financial crisis.”

      https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-britain-property/uk-sees-surge-in-empty-shops-and-offices-amid-pandemic-rics-idUSL8N2K249Z

      • Minority Of One says:

        “and the sharpest increase in empty offices since the financial crisis”

        Do populated offices still exist?

    • And this year seems to be headed to do even worse.

      • Sheila chambers says:

        How can the economy improve when too many of OUR JOBS

        • Sheila chambers says:

          I WAS NOT FINISHED!!!!
          After “OUR JOBS”

        • Sheila chambers says:

          AGAIN, I WAS NOT FINISHED! WTF IS WRONG WITH WORDPRESS???? I JUST HIT “SHIFT”!!! & “THEY” POSTED WHAT LITTLE I HAD WRITTEN. Now on to NOTE PAD!
          “THEY” CAN’T DELETE THAT UNTIL I AM FINISHED!

          After “our jobs” if I can find my place again, was to be – we need to END most OUTSOURCING if “they” expect to have “CONSUMERS” for their products or services.

          Biden is only going to make things worse for what little there is left of the WORKING CLASS & what little is left of them will be replaced by AUTOMATION & MACHINES, machines won’t be buying anything either.

          Biden want’s OPEN BORDERS, just let the third world pour in & hold their hands out & compete against us for OUR JOBS, OUR HOUSING & OUR EDUCATION while those here legally are made to go without.
          Thousands die on our streets each year!

          Biden want’s AMNESTY for the millions of illegals already here taking OUR JOBS, OUR HOUSING, OUR EDUCATION, this too will attract even MORE ILLEGALS, we do not need or want more poor, needy people, we already have too many, help them not illegals.

          Since Biden was “selected” thousands more illegal migrants are on their way here.

          Good blueprint for more rebellions, more protests, more violence.
          When you have millions of poor needy, jobless, unrepresented people with nothing more to lose, your asking for A REVOLUTION!
          Thank you “Note Pad”.

  14. Harry McGibbs says:

    “The U.S. economy likely contracted at its sharpest pace since World War Two in 2020 as COVID-19 ravaged services businesses like restaurants and airlines, throwing millions of Americans out of work and into poverty.”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy/u-s-economy-likely-logged-its-weakest-performance-in-74-years-in-2020-idINKBN29X0I8

  15. Harry McGibbs says:

    “The world is currently experiencing unprecedented levels of debt, as governments continue to battle the coronavirus. But this is not the first time global debt has spiked. There have been four waves of debt accumulation in the global economy since 1970, according to the World Bank.

    “These have occurred across more than 100 countries and have, so far, always culminated in financial crises in many emerging and developing economies. The fourth debt wave, which is still ongoing, started in 2010 and – even before the COVID crisis – looked like being the worst yet.”

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/01/covid-global-debt-history-world-bank-imf/

  16. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Video game retailer GameStop’s stock price has increased dramatically due to the actions of users on the WallStreetBets subreddit. The Reddit users pushed the stock up from $20 on 11 January to a staggering high of $146.97.

    “The general reason for this is because the stock market is subject to wild speculation that can deem companies like Tesla, for example, more valuable than the nine largest automakers combined.

    “The more specific reason is that the company found itself as the central catalyst in a battle between short-sellers and online traders.”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/gamestop-reddit-wall-street-stock-b1792929.html

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Americans are holding a record-high amount of their investment portfolios in stocks, according to JPMorgan.

      “A group of strategists led by Nikolaos Panigirtzoglou find that the US households’ equity allocation has risen to record highs, surpassing its previous high seen at the beginning of 2000, at the peak of the dotcom bubble.”

      https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-outlook-equity-allocation-us-household-dotcom-bubble-jpmorgan-2021-1-1030010682

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      If you want a more “brass tacks” explanation of the GameStop situation, here it is. I’m afraid it was quoted on FB without attribution, so I can’t give you the source. It is quite a story:

      “If you guys haven’t been following the GameStop Stock Shit-Show, you really need to look into it. This is f*cking hilarious.

      “Allow me to catch you up. So this hedge fund called Melvin Capital wrote out some douchey article about how the smart investment move would be to short-sell GameStop stock. To put it simply, short-selling is essentially gambling that a stock’s price will drop. If it does, you make money. If it doesn’t, you end up paying out money for however much it goes up.

      “Well, this little article that Melvin wrote pissed off a dark, dank corner of the internet called Wall Street Bets. WSB is a hive of Ritalin-addled lunatics who treat the stock market like a fucking casino. These dudes will regularly gamble their life-savings on a single trade. It’s a glorious thing to watch.

      “The WSB crew has a weird fascination with certain stocks. They call them “meme stocks.” Tesla is one, AMD is another, and GameStop, arguably, is the most weirdly beloved meme stock. So for reasons that make sense only to the degenerates on WSB, Melvin trying to short-sell their meme was a declaration of war.

      “Yes, this is dumb. But it gets so f*cking hilarious. WSB decided to do a “short squeeze.” This is when you see people trying to short a stock, so you buy up that stock, and you get a bunch of other people to buy up that stock. With each purchase the price actually goes up. Since Melvin was trying to short the stock at a price of $20 per share, WSB wanted to get it as high above that price as humanly possible.

      “They got it up to $200 per share. This means Melvin has to cover over $180 per share they bought. This came out to billions. F*cking. Billions. Melvin Capital, over night, was suddenly facing bankruptcy. Think about that. A bunch of self-identified degenerates on a fucking website were able to tank a fucking hedge fund. That’s hilarious.

      “Well, the rich and powerful don’t like seeing us plebeians f*cking with one of their own. So Point72, another hedge fund, teamed up with a few other little funds, and they injected around THREE BILLION into Melvin Capital to keep them from spiraling. Essentially this meant the billionaire hedge fund crew were banding together to fight back against Wall Street Bets. And WSB just said “okay, no problem.”

      “Today the stock for GameStop is at $320 per share. Melvin Capital lost all of that three billion they were given. It’s gone. They’re still f*cked. Point72 gave a little over a billion of that injection, and that means that fund dropped from 17 billion to 16 billion. That means in less than 24 hours WSB managed to all but ensure one hedge fund will die and drop the value of another by 6% so far.

      “And remember, WSB are just a bunch of jackasses on the internet. They aren’t hedge fund guys, they aren’t millionaires or billionaires. This is literally being done by m*rons with a phone app coordinating to ruin billionaires’ lives because they can.

      “What we’re watching here with GameStop stocks is a bunch of rich people who are getting f*cking wrecked, purely for entertainment, by the kind of middle-class and poor people they regularly lobby against and treat like this. This “eat the rich” via phone app. It’s “damn the man” with a meme-stock.

      “And because whoever is writing our reality lost all sense of subtlety after 2020, the icing on the cake is that the app the WSB crew are using to pull this off is a stock-trading app called Robin Hood. Yeah, as in steal from the rich and all that jazz.”

      [I can confirm that Melvin Capital has had to close their position and is indeed facing huge losses].

      • Azure Kingfisher says:

        This is a fascinating story. I read that TD Ameritrade and other online financial brokerage firms halted trading in GameStop (GME) shares earlier this week in an attempt to give the hedge funds time to get out of their positions. Apparently the Biden administration said they’d be watching the GME situation closely. The Reddit thread Wall Street Bets went “private” the other day, whether by choice or by force from Reddit I don’t know. It looks like the thread is open to all again now.

        Will the SEC get involved and attempt to argue that this is insider trading? Will the people that run the show decide that retail investors (i.e. the little guys) can no longer participate in options trading? Will we see new legislation against a new threat: “financial terrorism?”

        A commentator on Zero Hedge argued that this operation was too clean to be an organic online movement and that it was probably executed by the CIA. The motive would be to exploit known weaknesses in online trading and the stock market and thus pave the way for new legislation that shores up the positions of the wealthy and powerful while reigning in the capabilities of the average retail trader.

        Update: AOC weighs in on the unfairness of Robinhood blocking retail trader’s purchasing of GME while allowing hedge funds to freely trade the stock:

        “This is unacceptable.

        We now need to know more about @RobinhoodApp’s decision to block retail investors from purchasing stock while hedge funds are freely able to trade the stock as they see fit.

        As a member of the Financial Services Cmte, I’d support a hearing if necessary.”

        Rapper Ja Rule sums it up this way:

        “They hedge fund guy shorted these stocks now we can’t buy them ppl start selling out of fear… we lose money they make money on the short… THIS IS A FUCKING CRIME!!!”

        https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/you-can-not-purchase-additional-shares-robinhood-reportedly-removed-shuts-down-buying

        Absolutely incredible times we’re living in.

      • Gamestop seems to be at $239 now. It is still way above a reasonable price for the stock, it seems to me.

    • This video says,

      “Lockdowns were devised by China and propagated around the world by the World Health Organization with little analysis of logic.”

      By now, countries have had a chance to see what a disaster the lockdowns are economically. Governments are using somewhat more restraint in lockdowns, I hope.

  17. Lidia17 says:

    “Anyone trying to leave the UK will have to declare they have a valid reason”
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-anyone-trying-leave-uk-23395732

    !?!

    • Bei Dawei says:

      Does “disagreeing with Brexit” count?

    • Xabier says:

      Valid reason to leave one’s house, to walk the dog, to not wear a mask, to leave the country: and one has to endure politicians like Boris, Rees Mogg and Farage boasting about the’ marvellous freedoms’ of the UK!

      I saw my first double-masker yesterday, in the open air! What a fool.

      • Xabier says:

        On the other hand, most of those who were out and about -very few of them, say 20-40 in the whole town centre – had no masks and ignored distancing completely.

        I suspect that the ones who have fallen for the propaganda are cowering in fear at home and don’t dare risk exposure.

      • Ed says:

        I am waiting for the cartoonist drawing a person with a pillow roped to their face/head even better than 10 masks.

    • Malcopian says:

      How DARE people want to escape?! Good God, we could all be DEAD in the morning.

      Definitely time to cement up the Channel Tunnel now. It will finish Brexit and provide a few jobs in the meantime.

  18. Mirror on the wall says:

    There has been a new development with regard to Indy2. Scotland will go for a referendum after the Holyrood elections in May and Westminster will have to either agree or to challenge it in the UK courts. It is argued here that the implication of the recent UN ICJ decision with regard to Chagos is that the ICJ would rule in Scotland’s favour in any case and UK would be bound to comply.

    > SNP ‘could use international law’ in push for indyref2, says former UN adviser

    The Scottish Government could use international law and the “principle of self-determination” to ramp up demands for a referendum on independence, a global constitutional law expert has said.

    The International Court of Justice has recently affirmed this principle, although it is “fairly narrowly framed”, according to Professor Marc Weller of Cambridge University.

    …. Nicola Sturgeon has warned she could mount a challenge in the UK Supreme Court if a referendum is denied in the event of a pro-independence majority at the Holyrood elections in May. But Prof Weller raises the prospect of international courts getting involved in an article for The Scotsman.

    “Scotland can also appeal to the principle of self-determination in international law,” he states.

    “This principle was recently affirmed once more by the International Court of Justice in the Chagos Islands advisory proceedings brought by the United Nations General Assembly in relation to the UK.”

    “Hence, if it is clear that Scotland is entitled to opt for independence, and if the means to do so is through an act of will of its population, then it follows that the central government should not be able to obstruct the implementation of that right by refusing a referendum,” he says.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-could-use-international-law-push-indyref2-says-former-un-adviser-3112114

    • Erdles says:

      Mirror, what is the point of a referendum where no one challenges the other side?

    • Erdles says:

      Same approach did not go down well in Catalonia. It would be good to see Wee Nippy in jail for treason.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Name calling is pretty childish, you may as well call him Fat Boris or the Fat Controller.

        She is the most popular leader in UK by a mile, he the least popular. Name calling does not change that.

        Your personal fantasies of using force against SNP are neither here nor there.

        • Tim Groves says:

          Hoots mon! The lassie broke her own rules. It’s time for the ducking stool at least.

          Nicola Sturgeon has apologised for breaching Covid rules by taking off her face mask at a funeral wake.

          A photograph published in the Scottish Sun showed the First Minister chatting to three women in a bar while at a distance but without wearing a mask.

          She was attending a wake after the funeral of a Scottish government civil servant who died with coronavirus.

          She said: “Last Friday, while attending a funeral wake, I had my mask off briefly. This was a stupid mistake and I’m really sorry.”

          People are dying, Nicola! How dare you! Saying you are really sorry is not nearly good enough. You’ve let the entire Scottish nation down by committing maskcrime, which is a vary serious offense. A minister who breaks their own law and gets photographed doing it in the Sun cannot lead their people out of the valley of subjugation and into the sunny uplands of peace, prosperity and sovereign independence.

          You must resign and hand power back to that other cold fish, Alexander Elliot Anderson Salmon, a bold Scotsman born on Hogmanay, a birthday he shares with Bonnie Prince Charlie.

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            The Fat Controller was off on his choo choo to Scotland today, evidently it is “essential” for him to go up there to have a mouth off. Police have been notified.

            “Stay at home. Protect the NHS. Save lives.”

            Not “train up to Scotland for a mouth off”. Shame on Fatso, breaking his own rules.

        • Robert Firth says:

          Mirror, she may be the most popular leader in Scotland (and what does that say about the Scots?), but she is probably the most hated politician in England. Largely because she continually spouts hatred for the English out of one mouth, while continuing to issue demands for more of England’s money out of the other.

          As the Edinburgh grandees have done for three hundred years.

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            Nicola is everyone’s darling now, unlike Boris ‘Fat’ de Pfeffel who always sounds like he has just gorged himself on a trough of caviar while lisping about how ‘the workers weally ought to be grateful for Brexit and the loss of their working wights.’ Scotland sent him a clear message today: “Clear off, Fatso!”

            > Nicola Sturgeon now more popular in England than Boris Johnson

            IT is well known that Nicola Sturgeon is more liked than Boris Johnson in Scotland – but now the SNP leader has overtaken the Prime Minister in the popularity stakes south of the Border as well.

            New polling from YouGov found across Great Britain, the First Minister has a positive approval rating of four – up from minus 32 last November.

            Meanwhile, Johnson’s rating has steeply declined from minus seven to minus 19.

            The increase in Sturgeon’s popularity is reflected in every region in England bar one, while backing for Johnson has fallen, according to a report in The Times.

            The most marked increase is in the north of England, where her rating has risen from minus 38 to a positive of five points.

            In the same area, Johnson’s has fallen from minus eight to minus 23.

            In London, Sturgeon’s approval ratings have gone from minus eight to plus 11 points, compared to minus 39 for Johnson.

            She also has a positive rating of four in the Midlands and Wales, up from minus 36.

            The Prime Minister’s approval rating is at minus three in the south – only slightly ahead of Sturgeon at minus four.

            https://www.thenational.scot/news/18820331.nicola-sturgeon-now-popular-england-boris-johnson/

      • Harry McGibbs says:

        Political polarisation and splintering, secession, break-up, conflict – these are the inevitable fruits of an era defined by irreversibly declining prosperity.

        The laws of physics direct the pantomime. The politicians are the players on the stage – they can ad lib a little but ever less as energy-constraints tighten. In the audience us children shriek, “Look behind you!” or boo or cheer according to our personal preferences, enjoying the fantasy that it makes a difference.

        In the end it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. [H/t Shakespeare].

        • Xabier says:

          As, too, increased regimentation, authoritarianism, cruelty and tyranny: we can see this in the records of many declining societies.

          A notable uptick in human sacrifices is also not uncommon.

          In this instance, WE, the ‘inessentials’, are the proposed sacrificial victims to appease the gods. Much as slaves, prisoners of war, etc, were done in.

          • Tim Groves says:

            I agree, Xabier. Lately I’ve been thinking that when it comes to human sacrifice the Aztecs and the Carthaginians had nothing on us.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      The New Statesman has picked up on the Weller argument. Paul Mason, economics editor of Channel 4 and formerly of BBC Newsnight, is now in favour of Scottish independence. He outlines his perspective here.

      > Why the English left should not stand in the way of Scottish independence

      After Boris Johnson’s catastrophic handling of the pandemic and a hard Brexit, Scotland has every right to go it alone.

      …. The constitutional expert and Cambridge professor Marc Weller laid out, in an article for the Scotsman, a perfectly valid constitutional route to independence, even if the Westminster government withholds permission for a second referendum under Section 30 of the Scotland Act.

      Holyrood would legislate for a referendum and challenge any Westminster veto in the courts: first at the Scottish Court of Session and then at the UK Supreme Court. Weller argued that, under the principle of self-determination, recently affirmed in the Chagos Islands case by the International Court of Justice, the Scottish government could demand the right to hold a second referendum.

      The fact of the first referendum establishes that Scotland has a constitutional right to secede. The threat by the Scottish Tories to boycott any referendum would, says Weller, make no difference to its validity under international law. Two electoral cycles will have passed, together with a material change in the UK’s trading and diplomatic position due to Brexit, so the argument that it is too soon might not convince the judges – especially as the Pacific island of New Caledonia, an integral department of the French republic, was allowed two independence referenda in two years (both of which, held in 2018 and 2020, failed).

      If these legal arguments are tenable then, provided the SNP forms a solid majority government in the May elections, Nicola Sturgeon should name the date for a referendum. Her opponents – both in the Tory and Labour establishments – have produced nothing but vagueness and conjecture. Gordon Brown is to lead yet another constitutional head-scratching exercise for Labour; Michael Gove is to be sent up the A1 to convince the liberal Scottish middle classes that the Tories are woker, greener and more progressive than the SNP.

      …. If Scotland continues to advance towards independence, the job of the English left is not to stand in its way – still less to collude in yet another, flimsy last-minute offer of federalism that evaporates the day after the vote.

      …. If Scotland achieves independence it will be by constructing a coalition that outvotes elderly conservatism, rather than assuaging it. There’s a lesson in that.

      https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/scotland/2021/01/why-english-left-should-not-stand-way-scottish-independence

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      The Scotsman has an article pointing out the real reason why TP wants to keep Scotland: it is purely about the ego of some English and the standing of the British State internationally. My guess is that Scots are not interested in being a prop in someone else’s vanity show.

      > Scottish independence: Boris Johnson’s real reason for denying a second referendum has just been revealed by George Osborne – Kenny MacAskill

      …. The former Chancellor of the Exchequer’s comments in an Evening Standard article indicate not only a willingness to ignore Scottish democracy but equally disclose the contempt that he and his ilk have for Scotland and the other nations beyond England. So much for a respect agenda and a blessed Union of the Four Nations.

      The inevitability of a united Ireland post-Brexit is accepted with little regret by Osborne, and he can’t even resist barbed comments towards Ulster Unionists who he obviously holds partly responsible for the Brexit debacle. But there’s certainly no Irish lament being sung for their departure. They’re going and it’s almost “Je ne regrette rien”.

      Wales doesn’t even rate a mention from him, other than to acknowledge how limited the impact would be if they too departed. There’s no Welsh lullaby being struck and he treats it almost with the same contempt as the Plantagenets, albeit without the violence perpetrated by Edward 1. Good for water and coal and the odd visit but beyond that who cares. Wales may be the land of song but the band won’t play much there, as they just don’t rate it.

      But, in his candour, Osborne also exposed the real reasons for their opposition to Scottish independence. It’s got little to do with love or affection for either the land or people.

      Instead it’s all to do with how they think it would affect their Greater England, as they see the United Kingdom. There’s certainly no recognition of a union of equals or even of two different countries with different political, legal, religious and educational pillars. Instead its ownership or at least assimilation.

      “Its history is our history. Its contribution to the world through its literature and philosophy, exploration and art, is our contribution,” he wrote.

      Really, from the Declaration of Arbroath to Rabbie Burns, Scots think different and indeed so do the English. Shakespeare is English, not British, all would concur. Of course, there’s shared times and common aspects but still the two are different and indeed once again diverging.

      But Osborne reminded us that the real reason for opposing Scottish independence is that “the rest of the world would instantly see that we were no longer a front-rank power or even in the second row”.

      Well many would say that’s now the case, but Scottish independence would certainly highlight it. Questions would be asked about why the rump UK has a seat on the UN security council and so on. Theresa May has also expressed those views.

      The Better Together band’s back but it’s a harsher tone and the insincerity has been exposed.

      https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/scottish-independence-boris-johnsons-real-reason-denying-second-referendum-has-just-been-revealed-george-osborne-kenny-macaskill-3114500

      • Malcopian says:

        Splitting up would be similar to the pain of a divorce for some, who regard the UK as their prime country. Me, I’ve always felt English first and foremost, European second. I like the Scots but have always found Scotland to be a dreary little country (mainly because of the weather).

        And let’s be honest, what politician ever likes losing territory? To Boris it would probably feel like having one of his balls amputated.

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          “To Boris it would probably feel like having one of his balls amputated.”

          LOL

          Boris’ castration anxiety, the loss of his manhood. Nicola has got the scissors out.

  19. Lidia17 says:

    “Politics playing medicine”
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/bZQhFVYvqPLz/
    Dr. Roger Hodkinson
    (5.5 min.)

    “Everywhere should be open tomorrow”
    “Positive tests do not mean an infection”
    “3-5000 units Vit. D”
    Risk of death 1/300.000
    “You’ve gotta get a grip on this”
    “utterly ridiculous”
    “it’s just another bad flu, and you’ve got to get your minds around that”
    “outraged that this has reached this level”

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      those are all good points, though I would emphasize that it is not just another bad flu, but a much more contagious bad flu.

      I think that is fact, although some persons may consider that opinion.

      • Country Joe says:

        If you want to see what a “bad flu” is like, I highly recommend THE GREAT INFLUENZA by John M Barry, a professor at the Tulane Univ. School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine. The book starts with a history of Medicine in the U.S. to set the stage for the response to the 1918 “flu”.

        https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OCXFWE/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0

      • Tim Groves says:

        Also, David, the territory is as important or more so than the germ. For instance, if you are badly vitamin deficient, a mild cold virus can blow you down like a feather. But if you are chocked full of vitamin D and probably B1, thiamin too, it appears you will be more than a match for the Covid-19 superbug.

        I wouldn’t know about differences in contagion. Looks like we are all going to come into contact with the Covid-19 superbug, just as we probably all come into contact with every other cold and flu virus. Haven’t you ever been living in close quarters with other family members who have come down with a cold or the flu and they’ve been coughing and sneezing and blowing their nose in your presence day after day, and yet you didn’t come down with it? Do you think this was because the viruses that were bursting out of them and filling the room didn’t infect you? Of course they did. But the territory in the shape of your body’s defense forces, the immune system, kept you healthy despite your being infected.

      • Lidia17 says:

        How do you know that it is more contagious? From what I read, it’s because a certain slightly difference sequence ended up being more common than the original sequence. I haven’t read anything about it making people more sick, or making more people sick.

        This is just more garbage-in, garbage-out. It’s Non Sense.

        • If a particular variation becomes more common, that is pretty much a clear indication that it is more contagious. That is simply the way it works. If the viruses kill off too many of their hosts, this situation will clearly stop. But as long as they cut off only a few of the hosts, the more contagious strains tend to win out.

      • Lidia17 says:

        Sorry, I was thinking about the supposed extra-contagiousness of the “new strains”, which isn’t what you claimed.

        Still, my points about false testing have EVERYTHING to do with how “contagion” is perceived. Is there really contagion just because you have measured positive PCR tests? That is what they are saying. I say it’s b.s.

        • DB says:

          Yes, exactly right. All empirical science turns on measurement. If the measurement (diagnostics in this case) is bad, then everything downstream (results, interpretations, conclusions) is bad.

    • Sheila chambers says:

      It’s not just like a “bad flu”, flu doesn’t give you PERMINENT BRAIN DAMAGE, LUNG DAMAGE, HEART DAMAGE ETC ETC ETC. Death is not the worse that can happen if you get COVID-19, having your brain ruined, your lungs ruined & the rest of your life ruined is not something you just “get a grip on”.

      • Tim Groves says:

        flu doesn’t give you…

        Doesn’t it?

        PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE
        Influenza virus associated encephalopathy is a biphasic disorder. For the first day the child
        has symptoms of influenza alone, and then the encephalopathy develops. Approximately one third of the children will die (half from multi‐organ failure, half from brain stem failure), one third will survive with neurological sequelae and cerebral atrophy, and one third will recover. This is despite standard neurointensive care for a child with an acute encephalopathy which will include ventilation, circulatory support, treatment of seizures, monitoring and treatment of raised intracranial pressure, broad spectrum antibiotics, antivirals, and often immune modulators such as steroids.

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2082798/

        LUNG DAMAGE

        Patients who survive influenza A (H7N9) virus infection are at risk of physical and psychological complications of lung injury and multi-organ dysfunction. … Our findings suggest that pulmonary function and imaging findings improved during the first 6 months especially for those with ARDS, however long-term lung disability and psychological impairment in H7N9 survivors persisted at 2 years after discharge from the hospital.

        https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6

        HEART DAMAGE

        Human influenza A virus (hIAV) infection is associated with important cardiovascular complications, although cardiac infection pathophysiology is poorly understood. We aimed to study the ability of hIAV of different pathogenicity to infect the mouse heart, and establish the relationship between the infective capacity and the associated in vivo, cellular and molecular alterations. … Human IAV can infect the heart and cardiac-specific conduction system, which may contribute to cardiac complications and premature death.

        https://academic.oup.com/cardiovascres/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cvr/cvaa117/5826367

        • Fast Eddy says:

          https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/symptoms.htm

          Flu Complications
          Most people who get flu will recover in a few days to less than two weeks, but some people will develop complications (such as pneumonia) as a result of flu, some of which can be life-threatening and result in death.

          Sinus and ear infections are examples of moderate complications from flu, while pneumonia is a serious flu complication that can result from either influenza virus infection alone or from co-infection of flu virus and bacteria. Other possible serious complications triggered by flu can include inflammation of the heart (myocarditis), brain (encephalitis) or muscle (myositis, rhabdomyolysis) tissues, and multi-organ failure (for example, respiratory and kidney failure).

          Flu virus infection of the respiratory tract can trigger an extreme inflammatory response in the body and can lead to sepsis, the body’s life-threatening response to infection. Flu also can make chronic medical problems worse. For example, people with asthma may experience asthma attacks while they have flu, and people with chronic heart disease may experience a worsening of this condition triggered by flu.

          Covid is basically just another version of the flu….

  20. westurnbull says:

    I stopped the Parkinson’s medications prescribed due to severe side effects and started on natural treatments from VineHealth Center (VHC) in California, the herbal treatment has made a huge difference for me. My symptoms including tremors and muscle weakness all disappeared after the months long treatment! Go to ww w. vinehealthcenter. c om. This treatment is simply amazing!  

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      was your Parkinson’s a result of getting covid?

    • Lastcall says:

      Interesting; google can’t find vinehealthcenter….
      ..but Tor browser can.
      The A.holes are ‘burning books’ again

      • VFatalis says:

        Who controls the data centers controls the Past.
        Who Controls the Past Controls the Future.

        • Tim Groves says:

          And in a delicious new twist, in the coming green energy utopia, who controls the solar panels and wind turbines controls the data centers.

  21. TIm Groves says:

    Professor Dolores Cahill, speaking about RNA vaccines:

    “I suppose there are potentially three adverse reactions (from messenger RNA vaccines—MODERNA, PFIZER).

    Beginning with anaphylaxis (severe, potentially life-threatening allergic reaction) in the first week. Therefore, these vaccines shouldn’t be given in the 2nd dose.

    Then the real adverse events will happen, against whatever is the real mRNA in the vaccines, and when the person vaccinated comes across (this coronavirus) sometime later …. what happened in the animal studies, 20% or 50% or 100% of the animals died!

    Among people over 80, maybe about 2.5% will experience severe side effects, adverse events where people cannot work or live life normally.

    Then with the 2nd vaccination it could be 1 in 10 or ten percent. For the over 80-year-olds, I would think that 80% of them would have life-limiting reactions or die when they come across the messenger RNA again.

    For others (not elderly) it could be half of the people who could be severely harmed.

    What it does is… this gene therapy or medical device is setting up an autoimmune disease chronically. It’s like injecting people who have nut allergies with peanuts.

    It’s anaphylaxis in the first wave. It’s anaphylaxis +allergic reaction the 2nd wave. But the 3rd reaction occurs when you come across whatever the messenger RNA is against (virus, bacterium, etc.), and now you have stimulated your immune system to have a low-grade autoimmune disease, not immunity to yourself per se because the mRNA is expressing a viral protein.

    Now you made yourself a genetically modified organism, and so the immune system that is meant to push the viruses or bacteria out… now the autoimmune reaction is attacking your body low grade.

    Now (months later) when you come across the virus that stimulates the immune system to get rid of the virus and when it (the immune system) sees that you have viral proteins in your own cells and organs, then about a week later (the adaptive immune system kicks in, the mechanism that makes specific long-term memory antibodies against a pathogen) and you go into organ failure. Because your immune system is killing your own organs. Those patients will present as sepsis initially. Then (later) you die of organ failure.

    If you have one or two co-morbidities, the energy the immune system requires to boost your immune system will make the older person very tired and exhausted and they don’t have the capacity to survive if you have underlying conditions.

    Normally, because the mRNA is in every cell of their body, it’s almost unstoppable. It destroys the heart, or the spleen, or the lungs, or the liver because the mRNA is expressing the protein in every cell.

    Just as a solution, what we urgently need, just as a repository, 1 in 100, or 1 in 200 vaccine vials injected, to be set aside, especially into the elderly in the care homes. They need to be stored in a biorepository of the vaccine vials randomly, so when the people start to die, we can actually see what is in this vaccine. We should be doing this now.

    I am concerned that there are maybe multiple mRNAs in this vaccine, not just something for coronavirus. If it is influenza or other viruses, we would be priming these people to other natural (cold and flu) viruses that are circulating.

    We urgently need quality control to randomly require doctors to give 1 in 100 vaccine vials to a repository and someone like me could forensically analyze what’s in these vaccines. So, when the elderly start dying, we will know. We should be knowing now what’s in them.

    It’s absolutely a dangerous gene therapy. Should not be given to the elderly,” emphasized professor Cahill.”

    This is too hot for YouTube, but you can watch Delores on Rumble.

    https://rumble.com/vd9qv9-dolores-cahill-phd-speaking-about-mrna-vaccines.html

    • Rodster says:

      FDA Approved Covid 19 vaccine = FAA Approved Boeing 737 Max

    • Xabier says:

      In other words, potentially the perfect delayed crime, a disavowable genocide extending over years, and in a way out of sight.

      It could all be tidied away with no trace in the records: just as the Nazis would probably have destroyed the death camps and planted them as forests once their task had been done – ‘Mass murder? what mass murder?!’

      I can hardly repress my contempt for the regulators and the medical profession in going along with this – not quite so much the ‘care’ homes, as they have no medical expertise, have taken no oath to ‘do no harm’, and are in a very difficult and stressful position indeed.

      I do feel that someone in that sector needs to take a stand against this, though.

      No wonder Klaus Schwab is looking so chirpy in the midst of all the death, chaos and lies which they have sown among us. He is simply beaming in the WEF/Davos Agenda 2021 videos.

      • Minority Of One says:

        Propaganda tells the sheople that the virus is bad, spreading, and many are dying from CV19, they must take the vaccine. They live in fear, and take the vaccine.

        The vaccine kills, deaths blamed on CV19. The sheople become more fearful, more take the vaccines, more die.

        To use a Xabier expression, vaccines, the gifts that keep on giving.

  22. Mirror on the wall says:

    Vaccine trade wars. UK and EU are fighting over vaccines and MEPs are threatening a trade war. That is what happens when there is not enough to go around. UK has not yet received any deal on financial services with the EU, so it will be interesting to see if this heats up.

    This spat could cost UK a trillion over a decade if it does. USA has already effectively banned UK from doing a trade deal with China maybe worth a trillion or two over a decade and Biden is in no rush to give UK a deal – the lost trillions are adding up.

    The UK press is content to be jingoistic about this spat.

    > EU demands British Covid vaccines

    Brussels has demanded that millions of British-made coronavirus vaccines are diverted from the UK to the EU in an increasingly bitter cross-Channel tug of war over the jabs.

    Boris Johnson flatly rejected the idea of allowing any UK-made AstraZeneca doses to be sent to the EU, saying he was “confident” the firm would honour its Britain-first contract for the first 100 million vials made in the UK.

    On Wednesday night, the European Commission summoned AstraZeneca bosses to the latest in a series of increasingly frantic meetings after the firm announced that 50 million doses ordered by the EU would be delayed.

    As recriminations grew increasingly bitter, influential MEPs stoked talk of a trade war, saying the UK and AstraZeneca had “better think twice” before refusing the EU’s demands and threatening to block exports of the Belgian-made Pfizer vaccine to the UK.

    It came as the vaccine rollout in some EU countries ground to a halt through lack of supplies, with one Spanish health official saying: “Tomorrow, the freezers will be empty.”

    However, Stella Kyriakides, the EU’s health Commissioner, said: “We reject the logic of first come, first served. That might work at the neighbourhood butchers but not on our contracts and not in our advanced purchase agreements.”

    Brussels claimed AstraZeneca was contractually obliged to use its UK factories to make up the shortfall in deliveries to the EU and called on it to publish its contract with the bloc for public scrutiny.

    Ms Kyriakides said the firm had “contractual, societal and moral obligations” to use all its facilities to make up the shortfall, and that there was “no hierarchy of factories”.

    However both the UK Government and AstraZeneca insisted the drugs giant’s contract with the UK – signed three months before the EU deal – made clear that British plants could only be used for exports once Britain’s order of 100 million doses had been fulfilled.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/27/eu-astrazeneca-vaccine-row-descends-farce-crunch-talks/

    • VFatalis says:

      There are no trade wars for vaccines. It’s just a psy op to make you believe it’s difficult to obtain, and to make you think you’d be lucky to get the jab if the opportunity is offered to you. Gullible or elderly people which rely on TV for their disinformation are likely to fall into that trap.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Every possible conspiracy theory must be true?

        • In fact, there may be many conspiracies that we don’t even know about. Or perhaps, self-organizing systems operate in predictable ways. For example, doctors and hospitals will tend to operate to maximize profits, rather than long-term health of their patients. Businesses operate the same way. When energy supplies are too low, wage disparity increases, and conflict grows.

          • Robert Firth says:

            Gail, I experienced that firsthand in Singapore. My employer cancelled their health insurance contract, and asked us all to apply again personally to the new insurer.

            The heart of the form was a three page questionnaire, in small type, basically fishing for anything and everything that might count as a “preexisting condition”, and so allow them to deny payment.

            I threw it away. I had never claimed on health insurance ever, anyway, and had registered as a private patient on arriving in the country. And at 70 years’ old, insurance seemed a very bad deal. I have never looked back: my body; my responsibility.

            Insurance is a classic asymmetric contract. The one party pays up front, and pays, and pays. The other party keeps the money, until the event happens; and then they have a huge incentive to defect. Well, private companies can be sued (at great expense, because they have all your looted money to pay lawyers), but when the government is the second party you have no recourse, Happy about your public pension and promised social security? Don’t be. To thine own self be true.

      • MM says:

        A possibility is that “slow vaccination” is a cover to halt them because of adverse effects. If you slow it, only a very low number “suddenly” dies.
        If anybody would be interested in these numbers in the first place..

  23. adonis says:

    here is my opinion over whether the co vid 19 was accidental or intentionally turned into the reality we are seeing now. This is all a co vid hoax which is being used to try to bring in the sustainable developement goals by a bunch of fearful elites who think these goals will save the world from the natural end of our finite resources unfortunately these goals will not save us from the “fast eddie challenge world” soon to be thrust onto us. All we can do now is sit back and enjoy the ride .

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “All we can do now is sit back and enjoy the ride.”

      sounds good to me, bro.

    • doomphd says:

      tsk, tsk, tsk. your paragraph has three sentences with three stops at periods. you can do better, adonis. good content, though.

  24. Tom says:

    I found Jay Hanson’s recommended reading list on my computer. Thought I would offer it below since some of you are wondering why we are in this situation and can’t solve it. How are we supposed to solve our overshoot problems if we don’t really understand what’s behind that face you see in the mirror? So start with this list. I especially recommend the book Demonic Males. You’ve got plenty of free time in lockdown so get busy.

    —————
    THE BIG PICTURE
    —————

    R. Leakey & Lewin, THE SIXTH EXTINCTION

    Flannery THE FUTURE EATERS

    ——————–
    WHAT IS HUMAN NATURE
    ——————–

    Arendt, EICHMANN IN JERUSALEM

    Borowski, THIS WAY FOR THE GAS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN archived at
    http://www.dieoff.com/page226.htm

    Goldhagen, HITLER’S WILLING EXECUTIONERS

    ——————-
    WHY IS HUMAN NATURE
    ——————-

    Pinker, THE BLANK SLATE

    Wrangham & Peterson, DEMONIC MALES

    Watson, DARK NATURE

    Ghiglieri, THE DARK SIDE OF MAN

    Morrison & Margulis, THE SPIRIT IN THE GENE republished as PLAGUE
    SPECIES, New Holland Publishers

    Gazzaniga, THE MIND’S PAST

    Wegner, THE ILLUSION OF CONSCIOUS WILL

    Dawkins, several

    ———
    ECONOMICS
    ———

    K. Polanyi, THE GREAT TRANSFORMATION

    Daly, several, especially FOR THE COMMON GOOD

    Thurow, DANGEROUS CURRENTS

    Mirowski, MORE HEAT THAN LIGHT

    —————-
    ECONOMIC HISTORY
    —————-

    Schumpeter, HISTORY OF ECONOMIC ANALYSIS

    Meek & Kelly, THE ECONOMICS OF PHYSIOCRACY

    Rothbard, ECONOMIC THOUGHT BEFORE ADAM SMITH

    ——
    ENERGY
    ——

    Gever et al, BEYOND OIL is the best single energy book

    Hall, Cleveland, and Kaufmann, ENERGY AND RESOURCE QUALITY

    Campbell & Laherrere, several

    Odum for eMergy

    McPhee, THE CURVE OF BINDING ENERGY (homemade nuclear bomb risk)

    ———–
    AGRICULTURE
    ———–

    the Pimentels, several

    ——–
    POLITICS
    ——–
    Fox-Genovese ORIGINS_OF_THE_PHYSIOCRACY archived at
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_dieoff_QA/files/ORIGINS_OF_THE_PHYSIOCRACY.pdf

    Hirshman, THE PASSIONS AND THE INTERESTS

    Matthews, IF MEN WERE ANGELS

    Nelson, REACHING FOR HEAVEN ON EARTH

    Douglas, REBELS AND DEMOCRATS (hardcore Founders research)

    ——-
    ECOLOGY
    ——-

    Catton, OVERSHOOT

    Logan, A PATCH DISTURBANCE SPECIES

    Rees, OUR ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT

    ——-
    SYSTEMS
    ——-

    Hardin, several, especially THE TRAGEDY OF THE COMMONS

    Forrester, several, especially THE LIMITS TO GROWTH

    Bateson, several, especially MIND AND NATURE

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_dieoff_QA/

    • adonis says:

      many thanks ill have a look for those books

    • Robert Firth says:

      An excellent list. I’d suggest taking just three with more than the usual amount of salt:
      (a) Goldhagen. Ignores that Hitler’s most willing executioners were his fellow Zionists, as hinted at by Arendt and stated explicitly in Hecht’s “Perfidy” (b) Wegner; pretty much refuted by Libet’s experiments. (c) McPhee, who seems not to understand how subatomic particles interact.

      Otherwise, yes, good reads, certainly the 15 named that I have read; the rest I mostly know by reputation.

  25. Fast Eddy says:

    Canada Leak:

    – Projected COVID-19 mutation and/or co-infection with secondary virus (referred to as COVID-21) leading to a third wave with much higher mortality rate and higher rate of infection. Expected by February 2021.

    – So as you can imagine after hearing all of this it turned into quite the heated discussion and escalated beyond anything I’ve ever witnessed before. In the end it was implied by the PMO that the whole agenda will move forward no matter who agrees with it or not. That it wont just be Canada but in fact all nations will have similar roadmaps and agendas.

    Happening Now in NZ:

    Chris Hipkins plays down lockdown chances after child, adult test positive with South African strain of Covid-19

    People can still travel over the Auckland Anniversary weekend at this stage.

    Soooooooo — the ‘mutant’ Trojan Virus that emerged from deep inside the bowels of a bat and shat out into a bowl of noodles in a Chinese market…. that ‘has the potential to end the world’…. has emerged in Auckland …. BUT …. we can’t interrupt the Auckland anniversary because of course that is FAR more important than preventing the ‘End of the World Virus’ from spreading hard and fast.

    I would have thought that if there was even the slightest whiff of the End of the World virus… the city would be locked down immediately.

    Nah… gotta have the anniversary party…. just gotta…

    This picture looks crooked… out of focus… wrong.

    • adonis says:

      Hello fast eddie i was interested in your comment of 6 months to live that you posted a day or two ago is that because you believe that a man made virus will be deployed that will spread like wildfire through the worlds populations through an airborne transmission way or the worlds population will be conned into taking a lethal jab that will actually kill them in the long run.

  26. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    Alice Friedemann just posted a classic webpage that reveals why BAU Baby is doomed..
    http://energyskeptic.com

    Preface. I am gobsmacked by how much energy goes into making beverage cans and potato chips, look at all the steps, each one using energy! Why haven’t we run of oil yet? Especially when you look at everything else out there, cars, roads, bridges, buildings, each of them going through even more energy intensive steps.

    One of my ideas to preserve knowledge was to etch books on aluminum cans since they don’t rust and there are so many of them. Books and microfiche only last 500 years at best, and the electric grid will be down long before that. But with conventional oil peaking in 2018 (EIA 2020), there’s not much time left for my aluminum can preservation of knowledge, if it would work that is — the materials scientists I wrote didn’t write back. They probably still think I’m a crackpot!

    44 steps to produce an aluminum can ….see post
    The consumer buys twelve ounces of the phosphate-tinged, caffeine-impregnated, caramel-flavored sugar water. Drinking the cola takes a few minutes; throwing the can away takes a second. In England, consumers discard 84% of all cans, which means that the overall rate of aluminum waste, after counting production losses, is 88%. The United States still gets three-fifths of its aluminum from virgin ore, at 20 times the energy intensity of recycled aluminum, and throws away enough aluminum to replace its entire commercial aircraft fleet every three months.

    Every product we consume has a similar hidden history, an unwritten inventory of its materials, resources, and impacts. It also has attendant waste generated by its use and disposal … The amount of waste generated to make a semiconductor chip is over 100,000 times its weight; that of a laptop computer, close to 4,000 times its weight. Two quarts of gasoline and a thousand quarts of water are required to produce a quart of Florida orange juice. One ton of paper requires the use of 98 tons of various resources.

    Also see post on processing a potato 🥔….
    Boy, are we living in LA LA land!

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      that was a good read.

      amazing complexity.

      it works until it doesn’t.

      this can’t continue for more than a decade or two.

      • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

        I agree, we are walking on a tightrope, barely balancing ..
        If we can waddle for another decade fantastic.
        Unfortunately, others feel otherwise like Steve DeAngelo of the SRSorocco Report
        https://srsroccoreport.com/

        His data indicates a big drop-off of shale in the upcoming year or two and that will put the finances of the US over the edge…right now Johnnie Bravo of YouTube fame said each American now has $400,000 of debt in their pocket…. remarkable the greenback still has any value

    • Xabier says:

      The main problem with books is the optimum conditions required to preserve them from damp, fire and insects: but the way around that is setting up a non-stop copying system, as in the old monasteries.

      That was particularly clever as, before paper made from old linen became cheap enough, vellum was used: the skins of the farmed animals killed each year were the foundation of literary production, and another tough skin could be used to cover the book – maybe pig or deerskin.

      I have handled a book from the 10th century written on vellum and bound in sealskin, in a perfect state of preservation. But, if a copying system isn’t established, the steady attrition of the contents of a library is inevitable.

      • Robert Firth says:

        Excellent point. Please allow me to add that some of the Dead Sea Scrolls were preserved for over 2000 years, having been written on papyrus. By the way, the Ancient Egyptians invented linen, but had more sense than to write on it.

      • Minority Of One says:

        If we follow Fasts suggestion that our extinction ain’t such a bad thing, indeed v good for the rest of life on Earth, then it doesn’t matter if all we learnt is toast. Maybe it is inevitable. I am personally for the recovery of the rest of life on Earth.

  27. Fast Eddy says:

    January 11, 2017 January 11, 2017 January 11, 2017 January 11, 2017 January 11, 2017

    Fauci: ‘No doubt’ Trump will face surprise infectious disease outbreak

    Anthony S. Fauci, MD, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said there is “no doubt” Donald J. Trump will be confronted with a surprise infectious disease outbreak during his presidency.

    https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20170111/fauci-no-doubt-trump-will-face-surprise-infectious-disease-outbreak

    • Ed says:

      Fast, if we had a functioning news service this might matter. If we had a functioning court system this might matter. If we had a functioning government this might matter.

    • Ed says:

      Info like this is called international terrorism in the U.S.

    • This is strange. I suppose coming from a person who is always warning about outbreaks, it cold be taken as simply enthusiasm for his field and services vaccine makers can provide.

  28. Harry McGibbs says:

    “As Covid-19 took hold over the last year, hospitals and nursing homes used and reused scarce protective equipment — masks, gloves, gowns. This desperate frugality helped prevent the airborne transfer of the virus.

    “But it also appears to have helped spread a different set of germs — drug-resistant bacteria and fungi — that have used the chaos of the pandemic to grow opportunistically in health care settings around the globe.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/27/health/covid-drug-resistant-infections.html

    • I expect this will become a big deal.

      I saw an article this morning, saying the next pandemic is already here. It is the Drug Resistant Germs.

      https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/marty-makary/90795

      • HDUK says:

        Interesting……. you will like this link Gail, it is very long but covers so much ground. Its a discussion about our innate immune system and the coming together of various situations which are weakening humans ability to protect our selves against the millions of microbes that surround us and are part of us. Zach lists, EMF’S, 5G, poor diets, poor breathing, poor sleep, chemical farming, medicines, mineral deficiencies, stress, etc etc. This virus is just one of many as had been mentioned here and the only way to really protect ourselves (hint not vacs) is to address all the above. So not getting stressed about lockdowns and who is doing what to us etc is something we are all going to have to work on as the stress will just weaken us more.
        https://youtu.be/ABz_ngwKEDE
        I have recently become very interested in the ketogenic diet and have discovered an ex UK GP Dr Sarah Myhill who has a website and various you tube videos, along with Dr Sten Ekberg, Ivor Cummings, Gabor Erdosi etc. I am amazed at the speed my blood pressure has normalised following this diet and general inflammation has disappeared, the science behind it is fascinating. Dr Sarah addresses human health from an energy perspective (she treats patients with chronic fatigue ) Not only has our economy been running on unsustainable forms of energy so have most people, they run on carbs and sugar when fat/ketones is a much more sustainable fuel for humans.
        https://youtu.be/efw2zFONk6I
        Looking forward to your next article.
        Thank you for the site and discussions.

        • I listened to some of Zach Bush’s Innate Immune System Webinar Replay. It is good.

          I don’t think the ketogenic diet is for me; it may be for some other people. I don’t have a problem with fatigue.

      • Azure Kingfisher says:

        Fauci co-authored a paper addressing this problem with the 1918 pandemic:

        “The majority of deaths during the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 were not caused by the influenza virus acting alone, report researchers from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health. Instead, most victims succumbed to bacterial pneumonia following influenza virus infection. The pneumonia was caused when bacteria that normally inhabit the nose and throat invaded the lungs along a pathway created when the virus destroyed the cells that line the bronchial tubes and lungs.

        A future influenza pandemic may unfold in a similar manner, say the NIAID authors…”

        “‘The weight of evidence we examined from both historical and modern analyses of the 1918 influenza pandemic favors a scenario in which viral damage followed by bacterial pneumonia led to the vast majority of deaths,'” says co-author NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. ‘In essence, the virus landed the first blow while bacteria delivered the knockout punch.'”

        “The cause and timing of the next influenza pandemic cannot be predicted with certainty, the authors acknowledge, nor can the virulence of the pandemic influenza virus strain. However, it is possible that — as in 1918 — a similar pattern of viral damage followed by bacterial invasion could unfold, say the authors. Preparations for diagnosing, treating and preventing bacterial pneumonia should be among highest priorities in influenza pandemic planning, they write. ‘We are encouraged by the fact that pandemic planners are already considering and implementing some of these actions,’ says Dr. Fauci.”

        https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/bacterial-pneumonia-caused-most-deaths-1918-influenza-pandemic

        So, we’re all supposed to double-up our masks now? Regarding mask wearing in general, can one think of a better way to facilitate bacterial pneumonia infections among a given population?

        “…influenza pandemic planning…”

        “…pandemic planners…”

  29. Yoshua says:

    S&P 500 futures is breaking down from its support line.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esw55r9W8AQB6dI?format=jpg&name=large

    • Your chart is for the S&P 500.

      The Dow was -634 today (-2.05%) The S&P 500 was -2.57%, and Nasdaq was -2.61%.

      What do you see as being ahead? Biden’s presence doesn’t seem to be helping the stock market.

  30. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    This post is for Gail….she earned them over and over..
    Day Europe’s Power Grid Came Close to a Massive Blackout
    Jesper Starn, Brian Parkin and Irina Vilcu
    Wed, January 27, 2021, 6:46 AM

    Bloomberg) — As biting cold caused power demand to surge across western Europe on January 8, the continent’s electricity network came close to a massive blackout.

    Europe’s grid, which is usually connected from Lisbon to Istanbul, split into two as the northwest and southeast regions struggled to keep the same frequency. The problem originated in Croatia and led to the equivalent of 200,000 households losing power across Europe. Supply to industrial sites was cut in France and Italy.

    While this event hasn’t been linked to a surge in renewable power, as Europe replaces big coal and nuclear stations with thousands of smaller wind and solar units — just as sectors electrify to reduce emissions — incidents like this will become more frequent.

    “It is not a question about if a blackout in some European regions will happen, it is only a question of when it will happen,” said Stefan Zach, head of communication at Austrian utility EVN AG. “A blackout might happen even in countries with high standards in electricity grid security.”

    Transmission grids need to stay at a frequency of 50 hertz to operate smoothly and any deviations can damage equipment that’s connected. Had the frequency swings not been reduced within minutes, it could have caused damage across the entire European high voltage network, potentially causing blackouts for millions.

    A fault at a substation that caused overloading on other parts of Croatia’s grid has been identified as the cause of the issue, network operators concluded Tuesday.

    It’s not a matter of IF but WHEN….great timing when a bitter killer cold snap happens…better round up the dogs and cats and huddle up close

  31. Yoshua says:

    I don’t know what to say about the messages. Everyone seems to react differently to them, perhaps that is the purpose with them…divide and confuse.

    I believe that the messages are real…but their content is not.

    The UFO phenomenon is the strangest thing we have encountered. The intelligence behind it must be extremely complex and beyond our comprehension.

    Remember that Pentagon just last year declared that the phenomenon is real.

  32. Mirror on the wall says:

    The UK has passed the grim milestone of over 100,000 covid related deaths. Around the same number more have died than would have been expected in the time period.

    That is one of the worst performances in the world. Infections per capita are currently the highest in the world and all of the latest strains are spreading out of control here.

    > COVID-19: Deaths above average in almost every area of Great Britain

    Around 98,835 more people than expected have died, with or without coronavirus, since mid-March.

    More than 100,000 people have now died within 28 days of testing positive for COVID-19. But this official government total is just one measure of lives lost.

    Another – deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate – now totals 107,907 in the UK.

    But, to capture the impact of the pandemic we need to look at “excess deaths” – the number, from all causes, above the five-year average.

    Around 98,835 more people than expected have died, with or without coronavirus, since mid-March. This is 19.6% above normal.

    The map below looks at the pattern across Great Britain.

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-deaths-above-average-in-almost-every-area-of-great-britain-12198585

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      The UK economy has also been worse hit than any other major economy. It was in a bad place anyway and a late lockdown, combined with Brexit, has worsened the situation. It is all self-imposed by the UK’s own decisions.

      New strains are now out of control here and the present lockdown will leave the economy even weaker. High deaths, worse economic wreckage, collapsed business investment and with more to come – UK has handled covid disastrously. It is frankly embarrassing.

      > British Economy, Post-Brexit and Pummeled by Covid, Is Worst in G-7

      Charts show the U.K. economy came into the coronavirus pandemic weaker than its peers after years of uncertainty over Brexit. Then, it was hurt more by shutdowns because of its dependence on recreational spending for growth.

      The U.K.’s economy shrank more last year than any of the G-7, in what the Bank of England says will be the country’s biggest economic slump in more than 300 years.

      What went wrong? Shutdowns caused greater pain for the U.K. than other members of the Group of Seven advanced economies in part because it is especially dependent on consumer spending, which evaporated amid one of Europe’s deadliest Covid-19 outbreaks. The economy was already weak after the four years of negotiations over Britain’s exit from the European Union, during which business investment sagged and households held back on spending.

      This is the starting point for Britain’s new relationship with the EU, which began Jan. 1 with a loose free-trade agreement. Earlier this month, Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced another nationwide lockdown to fight a new, more-contagious variant of the coronavirus. That puts the U.K. economy on course to shrink again in the first quarter of the year, when businesses must also get to grips with new European trading arrangements.

      Growth in the U.K. was already weak going into the pandemic because of feeble business investment, poor productivity and scant growth in incomes. Once the coronavirus set in, the British economy shrank by more than its peers in the G-7 in the first nine months of the year. Figures for the final quarter, due Feb. 12, are expected to show the economy contracted again.

      The U.K. locked down its economy later than its peers and kept tighter restrictions in place when others were easing them.

      Despite the lockdowns, the U.K. struggled to keep cases under control, reinforcing people’s hesitation to spend and travel.

      Overall infection numbers in the U.K. show it to be one of the worst-affected countries by the pandemic, with about 3.7 million cases and more than 98,000 deaths as of Monday. The more-infectious variant of the virus is pushing up hospitalizations and prompting a new wave of restrictions.

      Since 2016, when the country voted in a referendum to leave the EU, uncertainty about the future economic relationship with the bloc has weighed on growth. Britain has lagged behind most of its peers in business investment, as companies considered whether the U.K. was the right place to invest for reaching European customers. Britain experienced one of the largest drops in this crucial engine of growth during the pandemic, suggesting the twin uncertainties of Brexit and the virus dented the U.K.’s attractiveness as a place to invest.

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/british-economy-post-brexit-and-pummeled-by-covid-is-worst-in-g-7-11611589082

    • Lidia17 says:

      What don’t you understand about “death from ANY CAUSE within 28 days” of a known-to-register-false-positives-in-up-to-100%-of-cases test?

      Sheesh.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        How rude.

        What do you not understand about 100,000 extra deaths?

        • Lidia17 says:

          How rude.

          That’s not what your citation says. It merely says “98,000 deaths”. The NHS criteria is that any death within 28 days of a positive PCR test is counted as a Covid death.

          Garbage in, garbage out.

          Oh, and did anyone at all die of the *flu* last year?

          Hmm.. seems they are “unable to produce a breakdown” because they “would need use a high level of statistical skill and judgement” to do so.

          BWA HA HA HA HA AHA AHAHAHAAAA HAAAA

          https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsfor2020

          Have you not figured out that this is Clown World??

          • Minority Of One says:

            The BBC did some sort of one-off special programme a couple of days ago, to commemorate the 100,000 dead, just the sort of propaganda rubbish I avoid like the real plague. They advertised it as interviews with survivors, relatives I presume.

            I have two questions for the BBC. During the last year (the same time period the 100,000 died), about 500,000 people died from other causes, including suicide and cancer caused not by the new plague but the government’s and our own reactions to the virus / CV19. Are the BBC doing a special programme for those people? Didn’t think so. Those people and their surviving relatives and friends don’t count. Don’t fit within the propaganda agenda.

            During the 20th century, the total number of dead from flu (another corona virus) may well have numbered over a million. Will the BBC be doing a memorial programme for those people? I didn’t think so.

            • Tim Groves says:

              According to the CDC In 1917:

              “According to new estimates published today, between 291,000 and 646,000 people worldwide die from seasonal influenza-related respiratory illnesses each year, higher than a previous estimate of 250,000 to 500,000 and based on a robust, multinational survey.”

              So that’s almost a million dead from flu (which is NOT a corona virus, by the way) every two years.

            • Tim Groves says:

              Sorry, I meant in 2017.

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            UK has flu outbreaks every winter and that is factored in to estimates of excess covid related deaths. If anything there seems to have been a lot less flu this winter due to all of the covid isolation measures. So, 100,000 excess deaths so far.

            • Lidia17 says:

              Where does it say “extra” in the article you posted? It doesn’t.

              “Less flu” due to covid isolation measures… but MOAR COVID??!?! How does that make any sense?

            • Mirror on the wall says:

              Oh do read the OP and stop embarrassing yourself in front of everyone.

            • Minority Of One says:

              The fall in deaths from flu and increase in deaths from CV19 seems to be occurring in a lot of places. Seems to me those that were primed to die from flu, CV19 got them first. And more people will be taken in by the you-must-take-the-vaccine propaganda the more that die from CV19 rather than flu. If all those that have died from CV19 instead died of flu, would anyone have noticed? We certainly would not be in lockdown and wearing masks.

              Mirror – with death statistics like these, you will be taking your vaccine, right? I believe the mRNA one is particularly ‘effective’. Haha.

            • Jarle says:

              Mirror,

              got any links to official sources showing total number of deaths in England in 2020 compared to previous years?

      • Lidia17 says:

        I read the OP.

        Now it is within 60 days from a pos. PCR test! Retroactively applied!

        ===
        In this report deaths are defined as:
        a death in a person with a laboratory-confirmed positive COVID-19 test and either died within 60 days of the first specimen date

        https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-reported-sars-cov-2-deaths-in-england/sars-cov-2-confirmed-england-deaths-report-to-31-december-2020

      • Robert Firth says:

        Lidia, the excess deaths are almost all because of the lockdown; in particular, the fact that the NHS stopped treating or even examining non covid patients, and started registering every death they could find as a covid death. Because the government paid them to do so.

        So covid leads to a lockdown; the lockdown causes excess deaths; the deaths are then blamed on covid; the answer is yet more lockdown. This is a programme of depopulation.

      • Lidia17 says:

        I haven’t found info. for the UK, but I did find an interesting tid-bit re. the US CDC death estimates. The numbers go like this:

        2017 2,807,118
        2018 2,864,098 (+2.03%)
        2019 2,925,719 (+2.15%)
        2020 2,881,554 (-1.51%)

        Hmmm. Since the population is generally rising, why would the CDC pick 2020 as a year in which they **planned** to expect a lower death rate?

        These are the games that can be played with “excess” deaths.

        https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1354644860146507779/photo/2

    • The UK is suffering more from falling energy consumption per capita than the vast majority of counties.

      BP has a column called Annual Average Growth Rate in Per Capita Energy Consumption, 2008-2018. The UK comes in close to last. The bottom countries are

      Ukraine – 4.1%
      Venezuela – 4.0%
      Luxembourg -2.9%
      Switzerland -2.3%
      Denmark -2.2%
      United Kingdom -2.2%

      In contrast

      World Average +0.4%
      European Union -1.1%
      United States -0.6%
      Germany -0.7%
      Japan -1.3%
      China +3.3%
      india +4.0%

      The UK comparison is worse if we consider the 2019 change in per capita energy consumption as well. The UK’s 2019 change in per capita energy consumption was -2.1% in 2019, while Luxembourg , Switzerland and Denmark all had more favorable recent changes.

      In a self-organizing system, energy problems can come out in a strange way. If people are depressed because of their falling incomes, living in tight quarters, and riding on public transportation (packed in with many others), maybe it should not be a surprise that there is a bad COVID problem. Shutting down the economy helps cover the energy problem, too.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        Oh definitely, UK cities are crammed. UK population has increased from 55 million in 1971 to almost 68 million in 2020. The population of London has risen in that same time from 7,449,184 to 9,304,000. UK has a collapsed productivity growth and it entirely relies on more workers to grow GDP, admitting around 650,000 a year now.

        House building has not nearly kept up. Houses in London are divided into flats and even rooms for rent now. A house that had a singe family in the past may now have any number of separate adult tenants. That has been increasing for decades. Other UK cities are similar. As you say, more crammed conditions make for better transmission of viruses.

        Things tend to be interconnected – eg. from productivity growth to viral infection.

    • Jarle says:

      Euromomo is a decent place for comparing mortality at different times:

      https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

      Got any links to official numbers showing total number of deaths in England in 2020 compared to previous years?

  33. Kowalainen says:

    Norman, a few curious questions to you, and others if you do feel inclined.

    Could you assign probabilities to:

    1. The coronavirus being lab made
    2. The moon landing being faked
    3. 9/11 staged
    4. The earth being flat
    5. God existing
    6. Aliens existing and visiting earth
    7. The US election outcome being a fraud

    🤔

    • Number 6—I’d say highly likely , but not visiting earth, The entire universe is constructed of the same materials, and can be seen to be subject to the same forces.
      So we must reasonably assume that the laws of physics apply everywhere.

      So taken at random, probability would suggest that life must have arisen elsewhere.

      The rest–absolute nonsense—but I’d be happy to be shown otherwise—not just : ‘All the evidence says’ (when ‘the evidence’ is no more than somebody’s endlessly repeated opinion.)

      Someone earlier on OFW said Pearl Harbour was a conspiracy. You missed that one

      As I keep trying to point out, the list is endless.

      (I assumed your question was itself a windup anyway btw)

      • Mark says:

        Hi Norm,
        So you’ve been wasting the JW’s time re #5 aye? 😉

        Speaking of physics, you might want to look into building 7 etc. Search “The 9/11 Toronto Report”. As far as deriving a reason, that’s another subject.

    • Ed says:

      add to your list
      the heavy concrete ATT building in Nashville had its sub-basement blown out by a lone nobody with an RV that left no crater under the RV but did blown out massive concrete walls below ground

      but it had no meaning it was unrelated to events of the days

    • vbaker says:

      Excellent list. I’ll bite:

      1. The coronavirus being lab made
      — Possible – Gain of Function using CRISPR / In the realm of physics and current technology

      2. The moon landing being faked
      — Unlikely – Plenty of Evidence for, including Laser reflection device placed

      3. 9/11 staged
      — Unlikely – However, I can’t get passed the Flight 93 crash site. It looks like amateur hour with two small smoke makers, no fuselage debris, and a hole that looks like it was made by a small excavator.

      4. The earth being flat
      — Not possible – Physics

      5. God existing
      — Unlikely – Physics (unless we are in a hologram)

      6. Aliens existing and visiting earth
      — Likely exist, Unlikely to have visited. See the excellent and entertaining Fermi Paradox series by Isaac Arthur on YouTube

      7. The US election outcome being a fraud
      — Likely – See the many affidavits provided across the US and registered in the courts system. Lack of oversight and systems audits. Election fraud is nothing new in elections. Consider the similarities to the 2000 election outcome, and evidence of up to three other US elections stolen in history. eg: Kennedy vs Nixon

      • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

        good take on reality, V.

        on 1. it seems to me that no one is claiming that the virus was lab created from scratch.

        no one whom I can remember anyway.

        but studying altering splicing and going for gain of function appears to be what was going on in the Wuhan lab.

        accidental release was just a matter of time.

    • Bei Dawei says:

      I’ll have a go.

      I reserve “0 %” for logical impossibilities. So even the most far-fetched ideas here should get some positive number. Those would be nos. 2 (no moon landings) and 4 (flat earth). While these things are dimly *possible* (less than .0000000000000000000001, and I only pick this figure because I got tired of typing zeroes), they would require much of the “outside world” to be illusory, a fundamentally unhelpful approach.

      No, 5 (God) is meaningless, so I can’t very well assign a probability to it. Unfortunately, attempts to define “God” tend to result in self-contradiction (can God make a rock so big…?) or further vagueness (“a Spirit…”).

      Nos. 3 (unspecified 9 /11 conspiracy–I assume you accept that the attacks happened) and 6 (alien visitation) receive less than a percentage point from me. For either of them to be true would not require any fundamental changes to our understanding of the universe, but they’re still pretty damned unlikely.

      No. 7 seems to be referring to Trump’s claims, which I would also assign less than a percentage point of probability to. Noting that many aspects of the US political system may seem unfair to some (e.g. the electoral college, the nomination process, the two party system / first-past-the-post system), but fairness is a matter of political opinion and negotiation.

      No. 1 I would give more than a percentage point, but still in the low single digits. Let’s say 3 %. While lab accidents (and cover-ups) are possible, nature is even more brutal than our labs, and governments would be crazy to do it on purpose.

    • Regarding 5, I believe that God is the force that created the universe, 20 billion years ago. With this creation God also created the laws of physics. This force may be behind the continued expansion of the universe.

      God led people to have a myriad of different religions, for many different reasons:
      -to bind groups together; to allow leaders to lead better;
      -to allow winners and losers in the case of resource shortages, so not everyone will die;
      -to pass on rules for life regarding what approaches “work” and what approaches don’t work in getting along with others;
      -to provide a reason to get together with people who are not a person’s close relatives and thus make a wider circle of friends.This allows the benefits of “Scale” to work, as described by Geoffrey West. Inventions often come from mixing with others.

      I think this God is behind a lot of strange co-incidences. Without these co-incidences, the earth would not be habitable. I often see strange coincidences.

      If you are talking about taking the teachings of any particular religion being literally true, I would agree with you–not likely. The teachings likely provide some useful insights for people at a particular time and place.

      There may or may not be an afterlife. If God could create the universe (and, through coincidences, continue this creation, even today), then God could also create an afterlife, likely somewhere different from this universe.

      • Bei Dawei says:

        “I believe that God is the force that created the universe, 20 billion years ago.”

        The current number is closer to 13.8 billion (some debate was apparently resolved last year), but…do you mean that “God” is simply your word for this impersonal force, whatever it is or was? That would have little to do with the “God” who is a character from Western religious myth, or the object of Western philosophical and theological speculation.

        Religion (which is also difficult to define) does have multiple functions, several of which (group identity, lawmaking, etc.) you identify. But this has little to do with the fundamental forces of physics (as per your understanding of “God”), and needn’t involve theism at all.

        Pareidolia is a thing. Also, even though the odds of any particular poker hand are low, any number of them will be seen during a game of poker, and that is hardly a miracle! (It’s like the 16-year-old lovers who marvel at the improbability of the two of them living at the same time, and even going to the same school.)

        Here endeth the lesson, vade in pacem!

    • JMS says:

      I love quizzes!

      1. 101%
      2. 89,99%
      3. 911%
      4. 0%
      5. 3,33%
      6. 13%
      7. 100%

    • Thierry says:

      Nice quiz!
      1. Highly probable. It’s technically easy. The question is rather “was it released on purpose?” to which I would answer yes because I don’t believe in coincidence, and the timing is perfect. so 99%
      2. I don’t know and I’m not really interested to know. 50%
      3. I would say yes but we miss clear evidences so 50%
      4. 0% Obviously
      5. What is God? this question has no answer, sorry.
      6. Aliens exist 100%. (if we include past and future time). visiting earth? I wish it was true but this is only a belief so 50%
      7. Who cares? Biden is in and we have to live with it. He has been choosen. By who makes no difference.

    • Robert Firth says:

      You’ll find almost all you need here:
      https://www.aulis.com/index.html

      And the 9/11 hoax is fully documented here:
      http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/september11/

  34. Yoshua says:

    BERGOGLIO
    ARTIFICIALIA REVELABIT
    ANTRA PATENT
    HISTORICA COGNITIONE

    Bergoglio (Pope)
    Artificial Reveal
    Cave Patent
    Historical Knowledge

  35. Yoshua says:

    (C)HOSEN ONE
    DEPLOY
    WARN DECODERS GUARD

    Hidden letter (C) is of course for Christ.

  36. Yoshua says:

    trutH will cOme to all
    we have been your protectorS
    you must prEpare to defeNd yOurself

    study past messeNgErs of light
    builDing to thE Present
    one provided to you activates in time of need
    bLOcked when necessarY

    shadoWed trAveleRs aNd
    DECODERS must safeGUARD self

  37. Yoshua says:

    More decoded deceptive ET messages received by CJ in Georgia.

    we are your creators
    altered your evolution over time from the beginning
    you are part of us
    truth will come to all
    we have been your protectors
    you must prepare to defend yourselves

  38. Biden is ‘actively looking’ at making COVID testing MANDATORY for domestic air travel – despite fears it could deal a hammer blow to the already beleaguered airline industry
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9191253/Biden-administration-actively-looking-mandating-COVID-19-testing-domestic-flights.html

    • I wonder if the potential adverse impact of mandatory testing on the airline industry is one of the many thing pushing it down today. The down is down over 300 points. According to Bloomberg,

      “it trimmed the worst of its losses amid speculation Federal Reserve policy makers will make dovish comments in a press conference this afternoon. “

  39. Yoshua says:

    One swab stick per person? Hopefully they take the nasal swab first!

    Welcome to 2021

    • Kowalainen says:

      1.3B people, that’s a whole lotta swabs. I can’t see China having problems with depleting fossil fuels and pathogens. What could possible go wr…, oh, right.

  40. Tom says:

    I spent a lot of years learning from the late Jay Hanson about these issues. Jay left us in April 19 after a wonderful life successfully living at the apex of IC. Jay always thought the elites would try some sort of bioweapon to thin the population when push comes to shove. Norman asks how would they be able to avoid the blowback? Of course they can’t, they are going to die just like the rest of us. But human nature says they will try. FE has it right, Mr. DNA rules. The Davos folks who have the power and the money will fight to survive. They know what is coming.

    I say:

    They are perfecting the tech to become transhumans so they could live forever. However, it all depends upon whether they can maintain some kind of IC for the next twenty years or so. If they can’t, then they will die. If they can, they become gods and will rule the universe forever

    • Kowalainen says:

      Who in the right mind would like to live forever. Give it a couple of hundred year and you would be bored to death. Give it a thousand years and an accident would get you nonetheless.

      No, the only way of living forever is through the process of evolution. Existence is way overrated.

  41. Kowalainen says:

    Great fellows, scholars, engineers, soldiers, carpenters, taxi drivers, retirees, researchers and the usual suspect doomer of OFW. I got this thing on my mind that perhaps you could help me illuminate?

    Since the pandemic seems like an irrefutable fact, with it causing suffering and misery in itself and in the way it has been (or failed to) combatted.

    I’m leaning in on the side of it being a necessary evil, intended or unintended really doesn’t matter at this stage of IC. But I am not sure, could you enlighten me on your thoughts, musings, reasons and make me change my mind?

    Teach me. ☺️

    • The pandemic certainly does give governments everywhere “cover” for mandating less use of oil and other energy products. Indirectly, it removes jobs. It changes the economic system to one that is ever-increasing, to one that is ever-decreasing.

      We have known, or should have known, that ultimately the species we will need to do battle with are the tiny ones: viruses, bacteria, fungi, and insects.

      The “efficiency in fossil fuel use” story we heard said we needed to pack more passengers into airplanes and trains, We needed to make buildings tighter. Of course, this makes it very difficult to fight all of the pathogens. Ultimately, one (or more) of them will outsmart us.

      The countries that are worst off are the ones with the tightest buildings and the most use of public transportation. The drive toward energy efficiency is backfiring.

      • el mar says:

        Simplification is the solution
        https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2019/04/09/an-unlikely-simplification/

        Saludos
        el mar

      • a says:

        I’ getting to better understand your aesthetic system–and I DO see it as an aesthetic system: I see it as a hands-off STYLE–let the system self organize and flow with that as best as possible. It is practical and commonsensical rather than overly clean and controlling.

        • Kowalainen says:

          The problem with self organizing structures, like bacteria in a Petri dish, eventually could lead to extinction.

          We gotta think through what we really want before embarking on an enterprise. Just wanting more seems a bit counterproductive on a planet with finite resources. As is wanting less, since it leaves resources to no use for advancing evolution of sentient beings as fast as possible, since oblivion is merely one hefty space rock away from extinction.

          No, our inevitable destiny is:

          1. Self organizing into a “paper clip” producer/consumer behemoth of inevitable destruction
          2. Stewardship of the planet and our own species as set forth by the process of evolution

          I’m in 2.

          • Once pre-humans started cooking their food, it gave them an advantage over other species that had to chew and digest raw food. This change happened long enough ago that our teeth, guts and brains have adapted to the “new normal.” At most a tiny number of us can get along without supplemental energy, eating a small number of foods that “work” using raw food (raw fish, fruits, nuts, honey, and milk come to mind). Perhaps a small amount of vegetables could be added as well, but grains would not work. Today’s humans get most of their calories from grains.

            The cutback on available calories would lead to a much smaller human population, I expect.

    • Lidia17 says:

      Well, if the covid “pandemic” (not a pandemic) doesn’t do the job, the “NEXT VIRUS” will!

      13 min., clips from the current Davos/WEF meetings:
      https://odysee.com/@hugotalks:8/Who-Is-WE-The-Great-Reset-Hugo-Talks–lockdown:0

      “They” clearly see it as necessary.

      • Kowalainen says:

        What I am saying is that a broken clock shows the correct time twice a day. Now what I am asking is what your thoughts are regarding this. I don’t much care about some elitist clubs, rather resent them and their groupthink

        However, never confuse the dictates of objective reality with the obscene message.

        As for me, I have downscaled for my own sanity. Or rather avoided to run amok with the narrative of the era. However, completely out of egoism. I want this ecosystem to survive and with that it also means myself.

        How about you Lidia?

        🤔

        • Mark says:

          • Slow Paul says:

            Beautiful stuff, thank you!

          • Kowalainen says:

            Yep, stop worrying about death. Worry about life instead. What is wrong with people and this obnoxious cult of death in the west? A disease of the Abrahamic religions perhaps? How I despise it.

            “Oh lord, what will happen when I die”

            How about this:

            Nothing, that is exactly non existence. You will not perceive it.

            Looking for meaning under stones, in bookshelves, during sermon. Then hope for the pearly gates. That is absurd beyond belief.

            Stop worrying about the goddamn inevitable. Your entire family tree, all your children will be replaced, rich or poor. Eradicated from the gene pool for something better adapted to the circumstances as DICTATED by Mother Earth. You got no say in the matter, none, zero. You can be granted the temporary illusion of success as an individual or as a family. But in the long run, all but gone, a cul de sac.

            Ask yourselves, where are the hairy Neanderthal, mighty dinosaurs, the abundant trilobites. All but gone, only the best adapted bits and pieces got to live on. You will never succeed making something better by some silly personal eugenics project hobby.

            Repeat after me:

            WE ARE ALL ONE IN THE BIOSPHERE

            THE MOSAIC OF LIFE IS HERS

            Repeat 16 times every day, suitably every “woke” hour, as you eat your rice and prepare your bicycle for dishing out some hurt on your self entitled princess ass.

            Yeah, how about that?

        • Lidia17 says:

          You say, ” the pandemic seems like an irrefutable fact”.

          I refute it.

          It’s not a pandemic.

          It doesn’t affect large numbers of people across age groups.

          ====
          What I think isn’t what the “elitist club” thinks.. I only point to them so as to understand the game that is being played against us (because this is a game, and we writing here have no influence over the rules).

          By “this ecosystem” do you mean the state of affairs where humans and domestic animals make up the bulk of mammals, as in the graphic below?

          https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1338:_Land_Mammals

          ..or do you have in mind some other sort of fantasy ecosystem, like the one people think still exists when they watch NatGeo?

          Ecosystems are not fixed things, nor can we fix them.
          There is no steady state.

          I think downscaling and avoiding running amok is a sound choice. I’m probably more ambivalent than you, at least on alternate days, that “this ecosystem” needs to survive and that I need to survive, with it or without it.

          ===
          Personally, I’ve been trying for the last five years to get a traditional house built (keeps meeting with roadblocks). I’ve already planted a large orchard, and nut trees I’ll never see bear fruit. This only because I can, and what else is there to do? Someone down the line will either appreciate it, or it will be destroyed. I am learning not to have attachment to the outcome.

          You say, “we have to think about what we want”… Well, think about it all you like, but when has “thinking about it” ever worked? I’m increasingly allergic to statements that start out “we have to..” Anything that starts out like that is guaranteed not to come to pass.

          People are driven to increase their individual and collective power and to reduce pain. They want to procreate. All creatures act upon the world in such a way as to enhance their short term survival. You don’t get long-term survival without short-term survival, so the preference is an obvious and immutable filtering mechanism.

          To try and pretend that we can somehow solve “the problem of self-organizing structures” is complete Non-Sense. It is less a thought than an abdication of thought. It’s like saying “I want to solve the problem of friction” or “I want to solve the problem of gravity”. It is not and cannot be truly rational.

          ====
          Wrapping up, I question what is is you mean by “necessary” and by “evil”. A real pandemic is not evil. Even a fake pandemic is not evil when one considers the historical alternative of hacking people to bits up close and personal, like. We’re rather gallantly being offered death by isolation, insanity, suicide, overdose, starvation, or vaccine.

          As you see it, the pandemic is “necessary” to achieve what, on an ecological level?? Even if you believe the figures attributed (I don’t), it’s reduced the population by 2 million worldwide, whereas in 2020 there was still a net population gain of 80 million despite the “deadly pandemic”. The impact is the equivalent of a stubbed toe in population terms.

          To get any kind of temporary ecosystem relief, you’d need a really big wave of Black-Death-level illness—perhaps that’s what Uncle Klaus has in mind, above.

          Anything that is “necessary” to keep humans alive.. uh…. keeps humans alive, and then we are right back to Square One.

          I think you know all this.

        • Robert Firth says:

          Kowalainen, you don’t need my approval, but you have it. I also tried to “downscale” after moving to Singapore. No car, public transport only, and work within walking distance. Breakfast and dinner cooked at home; cheap working lunches, an Italian restaurant treat no more than once a week. Replaced almost all my clothes with cotton and silk. No heating, of course, but no air conditioning either; I rented an apartment where all the windows opened.

          And I was happier and healthier than I could ever remember being. Biggest surprise: everyday life cost far less than it had in the US.

          • Kowalainen says:

            Thanks Robert.

            I completely agree. Couldn’t be more content if it wasn’t for the crazy of the past impinging some suck into my life that I much rather would have been without. Life should be simple. Suffering arise from complications, not complexity. And now, oh yes, more complications coming my way. But that’s just my self entitled rear end blowing out some wafting excuses I suppose.

            Look; we embarked on a journey of crazy, why not follow it through to its logical conclusion? Fuck it, bring Trump back and open the taps back up again. Hell yes, let’s go full bore with the drilling rigs and debt. I don’t care if we burn ten barrels of oil for the one we recover. Because that is the fundamental problem, an EROEI heading south into abysmal territories.

            As for the alternative; a fucking asinine managed decline by some elitist crony club and whatever crap they got at their disposal. I don’t know man, it will likely be an epic failure making the Calhounian rat dystopia look like a paradise. And then having to endure the soothing lies delivered by the disgusting narrative peddlers. Let me guess; it will be MOAR viruses, vaccines, wind turbines and solar panels instead of the cold hard truth.

            Man, I couldn’t care less if some sanctimonious hypocrites loses hope, which is just another word for being dumb and useless. Not one bit.

            Some days you know… 🤢🤮

            /rant off

            • I think the problem is Complexity rising to too high a level rather than EROEI falling too low. People give EROEI more credit than it really deserves. The EROEIs of wind and of oil from shale formations are both surprisingly high.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Life is complexity in its purest essence, it doesn’t run on oil, it IS the source of oil. Actually, it depletes carbon (energy) from the biosphere. What humans do is create complications and more humans out of delusions, and as an unintended side effect, returns the carbon while setting themselves up for extinction by unhinged growth. Big difference.

              Do not confuse complexity with complications. Life is magnitudes more complex than whatever IC has produced hitherto. Yes, try to manufacture the wings of a butterfly. 🦋

              It is like confusing problems with predicaments. Problems can be solved, predicaments not so much.

              I’d like to see one wind turbine produced by the energy enabling mining raw materials (actually the whole IC shebang) powered from only wind turbines. Not gonna happen.

              Cut off fossil fuels to the EU and watch how many wind turbines Vestas would produce. I can tell you how many; zero. Forever.

              How can I know that, well, you see, there is no way of knowing exactly how dependent on fossil fuels we are without an abrupt cutoff.

              With, or without wind turbines we are 100% dependent on fossil fuels. Thinking that we use fossil fuels as a stopgap measure until renewables replaces them is like a dope addict needing that “final” fix. Of course the perpetual “fixes” won’t end until the dope stops flowing in his direction.

              Yes, I’d like to see that experiment performed. If it succeeds, which it won’t, then I’ll change my mind. Until then:

              Enjoy the jabs from Klaus and Bill.

              😷

      • Xabier says:

        Exactly, Lydia.

        Klaus ‘Barbie’ Schwab seems rather excited about the next virus ‘which will certainly hunt us’ and the ‘Cyber Winter’.

        Why?

        Because he just can’t wait to unveil them, now that it has all gone so well, so far.

        • Kowalainen says:

          Suppose you dispatch Klaus to the happy hunting grounds, then what? You promise to cut down on your energy footprint?

          Yeah, right. 🤣👍

          No, that will of course never happen. You bought in to the comforting lie, want it to continue and now you reap what you have sown.

          I’m with Klaus. Anyone else?

        • Ed says:

          I can’t wait either the suspense is killing me. So happy the elite have stepped up and are putting us down quickly. Klaus will be a saint in the one world religion so kind so compassionate so visionary.

          • Kowalainen says:

            Starvation or a quick and dirty jab, your choice.

            😑

            • JMS says:

              Starvation is fine, thanks.The idea of being jabed into oblivion by techno-fascists is simply unbearable. It would be a shame to allow people I despise the privilege of killing me, being me, according to my limbic system, the second most important person in the whole world!

              Everyone at OFW is aware that the normal 2019 BAU had no future, it could not go for much longer. And something had to be done to avoid the financial and social collapse predicted by Gail, Korowicz and other analysts. Then whoever has the power to act politically has done something.They call it the Great Reset. But since the beneficiaries of that reset, if any, will never be little people like me, I feel it is my duty to hate them with gusto.
              So I say hang’em all and their beneficient plans of planet redecoration!

            • Artleads says:

              JMS, even when they say to plant more trees (showing all the wasted opportunity inherent in the built environment) they never show anything, worn, old, organic. That to me is a sign that they are proposing for the world a BRAVE NEW WORLD that does not age. Since that book was written we should have had enough time to see how repulsive are its tenets.

            • JMS says:

              Agreed. The techno-schwabs are plexiglass and steel people, i suspect.Their living rooms must look like shiny airport lounges. And i bet their ideal of nature is the pretty and tame English garden.

  42. China waxes lyrical about its Covid response: Waxworks are exhibited in Wuhan showing medics and soldiers to PRAISE city’s coronavirus ‘success’ as Beijing propaganda blitz continues
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9189025/amp/China-waxes-lyrical-Covid-response-Waxworks-exhibited-Wuhan-praising-citys-medics.html?__twitter_impression=true

    • China has amazingly nice museums. It tells only the story it wants its people to hear.

      • Robert Firth says:

        Gail, when I visited Taiwan I found much the same thing. An overwhelming nostalgia for the Kuo Min Tang (中国国民党革命委员会), like a society preserved in amber. And a statue of Sun Yat Sen, (nicknamed 孫中山) posed rather like a Buddha, quite a promotion for a thug. Even the illustrative wall paintings were in the style of the Ch’ing.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      Daily Mail:

      “as propaganda blitz continues”

      Pot, kettle.

    • Wow! China is clearly very worried about an outbreak of the UK version of COVID in Beijing.

      According to the article:

      The key districts of Daxing [district including the airport, on the SE edge of Beijing] and Dongcheng [in the center of Beijing] began a mass testing drive on Friday after a nine-year-old boy tested positive for the more virulent strain of the virus, first discovered in London and the southeast of England last month.

      Health authorities in the Chinese capital said they were aiming to screen more than two million people in 48 hours. Among them, around 1.6 million inhabitants in Daxing were to be given antibody tests, as well as throat, nasal and rectal nucleic acid swabs.

      At some point, the system will run out of swabs and testing equipment. That is 4 tests per person. It is not simply testing waste water. It is possible that people are being tested in big groups (say 25) to hold down the use of supplies. It is only if someone in the group tests positive that the entire group is retested, individually.

      China does not have the hospital system (including ICUs) to handle all of the cases that could come from the illness spreading widely in Beijing. I would not be surprised if China is not able to control this outbreak (or perhaps the next outbreak, in a month or two).

      Notice how the headline of the Newsweek story completely misses the problem in Beijing.

    • Xabier says:

      Well, bugger me, who would have thought it (up)!?

      Will this be the new airport check-in routine?

      Let’s call it the…….Klaus Swab’.

    • Lidia17 says:

      No one sees this as pure mockery and humiliation?
      Like the (now three) mask suggestions?

      • Theo says:

        Lidia, oh, a few of us understand how much fun the masters have at our expense, but let’s face it: the common member of the human herd just rolls over and rather enjoys his victimhood. For example, obesity, which can be remedied even by the most moronic, is becoming more problematic by the day, so why should the “elites” take the plebs seriously when they just want a vaccine as an easy way out?

        • Shambolic says:

          Theo, the masters always have a good laugh while we squirm and suffer. They particularly enjoy the majority’s learned helplessness, of which excess weight/obesity is but one example. “We’re just big-boned.” “We’re cursed with a slow metabolism . . . ” Ad infinitum . . .

          The physical condition of a lot of Americans is literally the elephant in the room. The well-trained herd will reach for the vaccine the same way they grab the insulin. In their minds, an easy drug is much preferred to actual self-control and discernment concerning food. From personal experience with friends and family, I’ve learned many doctors don’t even bother attempting to come between the patient and the overloaded plate. The docs simply make Big Pharma happy, the patient gets sicker and sicker, and the masters gleefully win, as usual.

          The stats aren’t looking good:

          In the United States, 36.5 percent of adults are obese. Another 32.5 percent of American adults are overweight. In all, more than two-thirds of adults in the United States are overweight or obese.

          If you are overweight or obese, your risk for dozens of diseases and conditions is higher. These include type 2 diabetes, heart disease, cancer, stroke, and many other diseases.

          • Conrad says:

            Since many folks who now pass as “adults” would rather avoid the burden of actually thinking, why should one expect them to cogitate about a healthy diet? They’ll continue to devour the sugar and GMOs as pushed by the System.

            In order to avoid having to go to the effort of choosing their own music, they now are being ultra-pampered by the elites, who are obviously loving it:

            From RT:

            Streaming music platform Spotify has won a patent enabling it to snoop on users’ speech and even background noise in order to gauge emotional states and location types to serve up an appropriate soundtrack . . .

            Spotify has received a patent that will allow it to use speech recognition and sound analysis to assess a user’s demographic attributes, determine their emotional state, and even glean insight into their location. The information will be used – hypothetically, at least – to pick the perfect song to play without requiring any conscious data input from the listener.

            Arguing that expecting users to input the details of their own tastes and preferences was asking too much of the platform’s average user (and consumes valuable time that could be spent streaming music), Spotify applied for a patent to automatically perform these functions in February 2018. It was granted earlier this month, though went unreported until it was picked up by music press on Wednesday.

            https://www.rt.com/news/513966-spotify-monitor-emotions-patent-creepy/

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