Our fossil fuel energy predicament, including why the correct story is rarely told

There is more to the fossil fuel energy predicament than we usually hear about.

Strangely enough, a big part of the confusion regarding the nature of our energy problem comes from the fact that virtually everyone wants to hear good news, even when the news isn’t very good. We end up seeing information in the Mainstream Media mostly from the perspective of what people want to hear, rather than from the perspective of what the story really is. In this post, I explain why this situation tends to occur. I also explain why our current energy situation is starting to look more and more like an energy shortage situation that could lead to economic collapse.

This post is a write-up of a presentation I gave recently. A PDF of my talk can be found at this link. An mp4 video of my talk can be found at this link: Gail Tverberg’s Nov. 9 presentation–Our Fossil Fuel Energy Predicament.

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Most people attending my talk reported that they had mostly heard about the issue on the right end of Slide 2: the problem of using too much fossil fuel and related climate change.

I think the real issue is the one shown on the left side of Slide 2. This is a physics issue. Without fossil fuels, we would find it necessary to go back to using older renewables, such as oxen or horses for plowing, burned wood and other biomass for heat, and wind-powered sail boats for international transport.

Needless to say, these older renewables are only available in tiny quantities today, if they are available at all. They wouldn’t provide many jobs other than those depending on manual labor, such as subsistence agriculture. Nuclear and modern renewables would not be available because they depend on fossil fuels for their production, maintenance and long distance transmission lines.

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On Slide 4, note that M. King Hubbert was a physicist. This seems to be the academic specialty that finds holes in other people’s wishful thinking.

Another thing to note is Hubbert’s willingness to speculate about the future of nuclear energy. He seemed to believe that nuclear energy could take over, when other energy fails. Needless to say, this hasn’t happened. Today, nuclear energy comprises only 4% of the world’s total energy supply.

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The transcript of the entire talk by Rear Admiral Hyman Rickover is worth reading. I have excerpted a few sentences from his talk. His talk took place only a year after Hubbert published his research.

Rickover clearly understood the important role that fossil fuels played in the economy. At that early date, it looked as if fossil fuels would become too expensive to extract between 2000 and 2050. A doubling of unit costs for energy may not sound like much, but it is, if a person thinks about how much poor people in poor countries spend on food and other energy products. If the price of these goods rises from 25% of their income to 50% of their income, there is not enough left over for other goods and services.

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Regarding Slide 6, the book The Limits to Growth by Donella Meadows and others provided early computer modeling of how population growth and extraction of resources might play out. The base model seemed to indicate that economic decline would start about now. Various other scenarios were considered, including a doubling of the resources. Without very unrealistic assumptions, the economy always headed downward before 2100.

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Another way of approaching the problem is to analyze historical civilizations that have collapsed. Peter Turchin and Sergey Nefedov analyzed eight economies that collapsed in their book Secular Cycles. There have been many examples of economies encountering a new source of energy (conquering a new land, or developing a new way of producing more energy), growing for a time, reaching a time where growth is more limited, and finally discovering that the economy that had been built up could no longer be supported by the resources available. Both population and production of goods and services tended to crash.

We can think of the current economy, based on the use of fossil fuels, as likely following a similar path. Coal began to be used in quantity about 200 years ago, in 1820. The economy grew, as oil and natural gas production was added. We seem to have hit a period of “Stagflation,” about 1970, which is 50 years ago. The timing might be right to enter the “Crisis” period, about now.

We don’t know how long such a Crisis Period might last this time. Early economies were very different from today’s economy. They didn’t depend on electricity, international trade or international finance in the same way that today’s world economy does. It is possible (in fact, fairly likely) that the downslope might occur more rapidly this time.

Past Crisis Periods seem to feature a high level of conflict because rising population leads to a situation where there are no longer enough goods and services to go around. According to Turchin and Nefedov, some features of the Crisis Periods included increased wage disparity, collapsing or overturned governments, debt defaults, inadequate tax revenue and epidemics. Economists tell us that there is a physics reason for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer during Crisis Periods; in some sense, the poor get “frozen out” and the wealth rises to the top, like steam.

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Slide 9 is a chart I prepared several years ago, showing the growth in the world production of fuels of various types. What little wind and solar was available at that time was included in the biofuels section at the bottom. Early biofuels consisted largely of wood and charcoal used for heat.

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Slide 10 shows average annual increases for 10-year periods corresponding to the periods shown on Slide 9. This chart goes to 2020, so it covers a full 200-year period. Note that the increases in energy consumption shown are especially high in the 1951-1960 and 1961-1970 periods. These periods occurred after World War II when the economy was growing especially rapidly.

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Slide 11 is similar to Slide 10, except I divide the bars into two pieces. The bottom, blue part corresponds to the amount that population grew, on average, during this ten-year period. Whatever is left over I have referred to as the amount available to increase the standard of living, shown in red. A person can see that when the overall growth in energy consumption is high, population tends to rise rapidly. With more energy, it is possible to feed and clothe larger families.

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Slide 12 is like Slide 11, except that it is an area chart. I have also added some notes regarding what went wrong when energy consumption growth was low or negative. An early dip occurred at the time of the US Civil War. There was a very long, low period later that corresponded to the period of World War I, World War II and the Depression. The collapse of the central government of the Soviet Union occurred in 1991, so it is part of the 10-year period ended 2000. Most recently, we have encountered COVID shutdowns.

The peaks, on the other hand, tended to be good times. The period leading up to 1910 corresponded to the time of early electrification. The period after World War II was a period of growth and rebuilding. Most recently, China and its large coal resources helped pull the world economy forward. China’s coal supply stopped growing about 2013. I have written that we can no longer depend on China’s economy to pull the world economy forward. With recent rolling blackouts in China (mentioned in the next section), this is becoming more evident.

Without enough energy, the current period is beginning to look more and more like the period that included World War I and II and the Great Depression. Strange outcomes can occur when there basically are not enough resources to go around.

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Slide 14 shows recent energy production. A person can see from this slide that wind and solar aren’t really ramping up very much. A major problem is caused by the fact that wind and solar are given the subsidy of “going first” and prices paid to other electricity producers are adjusted downward, to reflect the fact that their electricity is no longer needed by the grid. This approach tends to drive nuclear out of business because wholesale electricity rates tend to fall to very low levels, or become negative, when unneeded wind and solar are added. Nuclear power plants cannot easily shut down. Instead, the low prices tend to drive the nuclear power plants out of business. This is sad, because electricity from nuclear is far more stable, and thus more helpful to the grid, than electricity from wind or solar.

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Fossil fuel producers need quite high energy prices for a variety of reasons. One of these reasons is simply because the easiest-to-extract resources were removed first. In recent years, producers have needed to move on to resources with a higher cost of extraction, thus raising their required selling prices. Wages of ordinary citizens haven’t kept up, making it hard for selling prices to rise sufficiently to cover the new higher costs.

Another issue is that fossil fuel energy prices need to cover far more than the cost of drilling the current well. Producers need to start to develop new areas to drill, years in advance of actually getting production from those sites. They need extra funds to work on these new sites.

Also, oil companies, especially, have historically paid high taxes. Besides regular income taxes, oil companies pay state taxes and royalty taxes. These taxes are a way of passing the “surplus energy” that is produced back to the rest of the economy, in the form of taxes. This is exactly the opposite of wind and solar that need subsidies of many kinds, especially the subsidy of “going first,” that drives other electricity providers out of business.

Prices for oil, coal and natural gas have been far lower than producers need, for a long time. The COVID shutdowns in 2020 made the problem worse. Now, with producers quitting at the same time the economy is trying to reopen, it is not surprising that some prices are spiking.

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Most local US papers don’t tell much about world energy prices, but these are increasingly becoming a big problem. Natural gas is expensive to ship and store, so prices vary greatly around the world. US natural gas prices have roughly doubled from a year ago, but this is a far lower increase than many other parts of the world are experiencing. In fact, the bills that most US natural gas residential customers will receive will increase by far less than 100% because at the historic low price, over half of the price for residential service is distribution expenses, and such expenses don’t change very much.

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Slide 17 shows another way of looking at data that is similar to that in Slide 14. This slide shows amounts on a per capita basis, with groupings I have chosen. I think of coal and oil as being pretty much the only energy resources that can “stand on their own.” The recent peak year for combined coal and oil, on a per capita basis, was 2008.

Natural gas, nuclear, and hydroelectric were the first add-ons. If a person looks closely, it can be seen that the growth rate of this group has slowed, at least in part because of the pricing problems caused by wind and solar.

The “green” sources at the bottom are growing, but from a very low base. The main reason for their growth is the subsidies they receive. If fossil fuels falter in any major way, it will adversely affect the growth of wind and solar. Already, there are articles about supply chain problems for the big wind turbines. Any cutback in subsidies is also harmful to their production.

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US papers don’t tell us much about these problems, but they are getting to be very serious problems in other parts of the world. The countries with the biggest problems are the ones trying to import natural gas or coal. If an exporting country finds its own production falling short, it is likely to make certain that its own citizens are adequately supplied first, before providing exports to others. Thus, importing countries may find very high prices, or supplies simply not available.

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This slide got a lot of laughs. The university does have some sort of agricultural plot, but teaching subsistence farming is not its goal.

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My point about “scientists who are not pressured by the need for research grants or acceptance of written papers are the ones trying to tell the whole truth” got quite a few laughs. As a practical matter, this means that retired scientists tend to be disproportionately involved in trying to discern the truth.

With the military understanding the need to work around energy limits, one change has been to move away from preparation for “hot wars” to more interest in biological weapons, such as viruses. Thus, governments of many countries, including the United States, Canada, France, Italy, Australia and China, have funded research on making viruses more virulent. The vaccine-making industry also supported this effort because it might enhance the industry’s ability to make and sell more vaccines. It was believed that there might even be new techniques that would develop from this new technology that would increase the overall revenue generated by the healthcare industry.

Questions came up, both during the talk and later, about what other changes have taken place because of the need for much of the audience to hear a story with a happily ever after ending, and because of the known likely decline of the economy for physics reasons. Clearly one thing that happens is successful entrepreneurs, such as Elon Musk, aim their production in areas where subsidies will be available. With fossil fuel production not making money, fossil fuel producers are even willing to undertake renewable projects if subsidies seem to be high enough. The issue isn’t really, “What is sustainable?” It is much more, “Where will the profits be, given where subsidies will be, and what people are being taught about how to perceive today’s problems?”

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In fact, what has been happening in recent years is that a great deal of debt has been added to the world economy. Mostly, this added debt seems to be creating added inflation. It definitely is not leading to the rapid extraction of a great deal more fossil fuels, which is what really would allow the production of more goods and services. If inflation leads to higher interest rates, this, by itself, could destabilize the financial system.

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I tried to explain, as I have in the past, how a self-organizing economy works. New citizens are born, and old ones pass away. New businesses are formed, and they add new products, keeping in mind what products citizens want and can afford. Governments add laws and taxes, as situations change. Energy is needed at every step in production, so availability of inexpensive energy is important in the operation of the economy, as well. There are equivalences, such as employees tend also to be customers. If the wages of employees are high, they can afford to buy many goods and services; if wages are low, employees will be very restricted in what they can afford.

In some sense, the economy is hollow inside, because the economy will stop manufacturing unneeded products. If an economy starts making cars, for example, it will phase out products associated with transportation using horse and buggy.

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A self-organizing economy clearly does not operate in the simple way economists seem to model the economy. Low prices can be just as big a problem as high prices, for example.

Another issue is that the energy needs of an economy seem to depend on its population and how far it has already been built up. For example, roads, bridges, water distribution pipelines and electricity transmission infrastructure must all be maintained, even if the population falls. We know humans need something like 2000 calories a day of food. Economies seem to have a similar constant need for energy, based on both the number of people in the economy and the amount of infrastructure that has been built up. There is no way to cut back very much, without the economy collapsing.

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I am not exactly certain when the first discussion of the economy as a dissipative structure (self-organizing system powered by energy) started. When I prepared this slide, I was thinking that perhaps it was in 1996, when Yoshinori Shizoawa wrote a paper called Economy as a Dissipative Structure. However, when I did a search today, I encountered an earlier paper by Robert Ayres, written in 1988, also discussing the economy as a dissipative structure. So, the idea has been around for a very long time. But getting ideas from one part of academia to other parts of academia seems to be a very slow process.

Debt cannot grow indefinitely, either, because there needs to be a way for it to be paid back in a way that produces real goods and services. Without adequate energy supplies, it becomes impossible to produce the goods and services that consumers need.

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Attendees asked about earlier posts that might be helpful in understanding our current predicament. This is the list I provided:

Humans Left Sustainability Behind as Hunter Gatherers  – Dec. 2, 2020
How the World’s Energy Problem Has Been Hidden – June 21, 2021
Energy Is the Economy; Shrinkage in Energy Supply Leads to Conflict – Nov. 9, 2020
Why a Great Reset Based on Green Energy Isn’t Possible – July 17, 2020
The “Wind and Solar Will Save Us” Delusion – Jan. 30, 2017

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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5,606 Responses to Our fossil fuel energy predicament, including why the correct story is rarely told

  1. Harry McGibbs says:

    “How China’s hard landing could expose Australia as a one-trick export pony hitched to one wagon.

    “Since May, iron ore prices have slumped 60 per cent from then-record levels, as construction and infrastructure have tanked with prices for our most valuable export last week crashing below $US90 ($123) a tonne. It’s not just iron ore. Coal prices, which last month spiked to record levels, are in free-fall.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-15/how-china-hard-landing-will-hit-australia-one-trick-export-pony/100620020

  2. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Japan’s economy shrinks more than expected as supply shortages hit.

    “Japan’s economy contracted much faster than expected in the third quarter as global supply disruptions hit exports and business spending plans and fresh COVID-19 cases soured the consumer mood.”

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japans-economy-shrinks-more-than-expected-supply-shortages-hit-2021-11-14/

  3. postkey says:

    “US intelligence agencies know every single Bitcoin transaction ever made, who made it and where you live.
    At some point market will be crashed, FIAT you invested will have long since disappeared and you will left holding what exactly?

    Biggest transfer of FIAT in history.” ?
    https://twitter.com/thesiriusreport/status/1459849227950034951?s=20

    • drb says:

      It is irrelevant to discuss it now, but I bet there would have been ways to trade in bitcoins in, say, 2011, without being tracked. Or at least to buy, and then to sell at a later time from a safer location.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Bitcoin could be ended easily.. just make it illegal to convert to cash… and ban all transactions involving BC (not that you can buy a whole lot with a BC)

      It would go to ZERO in seconds

  4. Harry McGibbs says:

    “UK business sentiment hits 12-month low amid supply chain and inflation woes.

    “British business sentiment dropped to its lowest level in a year in October, dragged down by fears of looming inflation and supply chain pressures that could undermine a sustained recovery from Covid disruption.”

    https://www.cityam.com/uk-business-sentiment-hits-12-month-low-amid-supply-chain-and-inflation-woes/

  5. Yoshua says:

    Operation Rampdown

    The UK is about to declare the pandemic to be over and return to normal life at the beginning of 2022.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10198985/Operation-Rampdown-Codename-revealed-Government-papers-dismantle-key-Covid-measures-year.html

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Just like Denmark 🙂

    • D. Stevens says:

      Dangle a reward, snatch it away, do collective punishment, blame a minority, let them blame each other. The only way I see this C19 ending is if it gets replaced by something worse. In 2022 we’ll look back at 2021 with nostalgia for a simpler time.

  6. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Oil cost $147 the last time U.S. gasoline was as expensive as now.

    “U.S. retail gasoline prices are poised to average more than $4 a gallon in three states for the first time in 13 years as energy prices surge and fan fears of inflation. The average price of gasoline is already above $4 a gallon in California and Hawaii…”

    https://www.worldoil.com/news/2021/11/12/oil-cost-147-the-last-time-us-gasoline-was-as-expensive-as-now

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “America’s savings are trapped in a bubble…

      “Stocks have become grotesquely overvalued as a result, and it is delusional to think any significant portion of the hoarded capital can ever be freed up to rebuild America’s dilapidated cities, highways, bridges, transit systems, railways and airports. The savings are illusory to begin with…”

      https://www.fxstreet.com/analysis/americas-savings-are-trapped-in-a-bubble-202111150057

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Just dump everything into an S&P500 index fund… and collect 30% per year forever

      • D. Stevens says:

        Do we have the energy and raw material to maintain what already exists or are we entering a collapse? Can coast for a few years but everything falls apart and needs replacing. I’m surprised how nice some of the recently repaved roads are around here in New England. Wonder if they’ll ever be repaved again.

        • We seem to be pretty much on the edge of collapse, but it is hard to know how it all plays out. Can most things stick together a while longer? Will the US stick together? How about the EU? and China?

          At some point, it would seem that folks will figure out that there is not enough goods and services for all of the elderly and disabled people in a country. It would seem like they could be worse off than others.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      And within months we had GFC….

    • The article says,

      “The Biden Administration is facing increased pressure to relieve rising energy costs by tapping the country’s strategic reserves or by banning U.S. exports entirely. The President said he’s directed his top economic aides to focus on reducing energy costs, which he blamed for accelerating U.S. inflation.”

      • i keep repeating myself

        the majority think this is a political problem

        whereas it’s an energy problem.

        which is why Biden will get voted out in 2024, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see Trump back in.

        then the total collapse will arrive in 25/26, Trump will be forced to take ’emergency powers’–then you will have a dictatorship in all but name.

        the jesusfreaks will gather in the WH again

        and there will be a theocracy in no time. (think what Flynn said only the other day?—one nation–one religion,) and he’s an ex-general.

  7. Yoshua says:

    “I am furious. What kind of complete, imbecilic moron doesn’t understand that if the Spike Protein is DISPLAYED ON THE GODDAMN CELL SURFACE IT IS GOING TO BE F***ING CLEAVED!”
    Walter

    Not exactly sure what this means. The Vax is producing a cleaved version of the spike protein on the cell surface, which confuses the immune cells and causes them to produce antibodies against ACE2 receptors instead of the spike protein?

    • Fast Eddy says:

      “I am furious. What kind of complete, imbecilic moron doesn’t understand that if the Spike Protein is DISPLAYED ON THE GODDAMN CELL SURFACE IT IS GOING TO BE F***ING CLEAVED!”

      A CovIDIOT?

      Do I get the prize?

  8. Fast Eddy says:

    KellyMoses110 hr ago
    Well they have already come for the kids. And I can tell you first hand, parents in West Los Angeles are excited to jab their kids.

    17Reply

    Dagny TaggartWrites THE AWOKE ANTHOLOGY ·9 hr ago
    KellyMoses1, I understand, I’m in Seattle… my kids have given up sports to avoid ankle tracking bracelets. UW was the first college in the nation to mandate. Our friends have openly gloated at driving for hours to find open vaccine appointments in order to ‘save their kids lives.’ For us it’s a serious burden but a choice to abstain still exists, we can choose online schooling or home schooling etc. Though I don’t trust that these options will stick around much longer

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccines-make-free/comments

  9. Fast Eddy says:

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/austria-locks-down-unvaccinated-053909272.html

    This will halt the spread of covid in Austria!!!

    And when it doesn’t the Covidiots will still blame the vaxxed hahahahahahahaha

  10. Fast Eddy says:

    You cannot discuss heavily propagandised matters, such as Corona, in the same way you discuss other, more ordinary things. Months and months of pervasive media messaging have polluted everybody’s thoughts and opinions. If you eavesdrop on ordinary people discussing propaganda topics like Corona, you’ll realise that their conversations involve little more than the exchange of pre-digested axioms they have absorbed from the press mythology.

    They do not have thoughts or ideas so much as a bland and vacuous collection of talking points, which work primarily at the level of emotion. Right now, these talking points go something like this: Corona is extremely dangerous and if you contract it you will likely die; vaccines are absurdly safe and they are the only thing that can save you.

    When dealing with adherents of this propaganda, it is generally a mistake to make forthright arguments, with clear theses and thorough citations. Perhaps if you’re speaking to someone who trusts you and your judgement absolutely, this can work, but otherwise it is precisely the wrong thing to do. This is not because your views are not right or can’t be defended. Rather, it’s because the press has not only fed people their fill of lies and omissions and sophistries; it has also told them many stories about the sad, ignorant, dangerous thought criminals and dissidents lurking around every corner.

    These villainous Corona-deniers are almost as dangerous as the virus itself. Indeed, through their ignorance, they facilitate its spread. Any time credulous people sense they are speaking to one of these types, an iron gate will fall in their minds and they will discount everything you say, however well-reasoned, as the ravings of a dangerous virus criminal. They will think: This is one of those horrible anti-vaxxing Covid-denying conspiracy lunatics I’ve heard about. Whatever he says is a lie, and it is scary how convincing he sounds. What a horrible person.

    These mental defences are formidable, and they make most reasonable discussion impossible. There are, however, various strategies you can deploy against them.

    https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/how-to-argue-and-how-this-ends

    • We need to pay to read the rest of this article.

      I would suggest that those who believe that vaccines will save us watch how well Vermont is doing. It is a highly vaccinated state that is now rising to the top of US states in terms of the number of cases number of new cases per 100,000. In fact, the seven day average number of new cases seems to be about double its prior peak number of cases in January 2021.

  11. Fast Eddy says:

    Dutch speed skater, Kjeld Nuis, was diagnosed with pericarditis a week after his first Pfizer vaccination. The two-time Olympic gold medalist posted on his Instagram that he was experiencing severe flu symptoms and chest pressure before being diagnosed by his doctor and cardiologist with an inflamed pericardium.

    Mr. Nuis initially reported that he was very sick, but he later posted on his Instagram that he was recovering well fortunately due to his sports doctor and cardiologist’s early diagnosis.

    “Exactly 2 weeks ago today I was in the hospital with an inflamed pericardium. Fortunately, my sports doctor was there very early and examined me together with the Cardiologist.”

    • All of these strange coincidences!

      • Mike Roberts says:

        Don’t be fooled by the plethora of anecdotal stories posted by the purveyors of a fixed opinion. And remember that there have been 7.5 billion doses of vaccines administered so far. Perhaps we can look for adverse events in 4 billion people on a regular basis, after this pandemic is all over. It doesn’t take many coincidences to make it seem like something of note.

        • jj says:

          Quite true. When you dont have standardized research and a control group everything is anecdotal. Everything is one big guess with any evaluation of efficiency and safety unknown one way or another.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          In your entire life… have you ever encountered a person who has had a reaction to a vaccine beyond a stiff shoulder? I have not…

          I sincerely hope you get a booster and you get a vaccine injury … then there is the possibility that you might change your tune on the blood bath …. But even then I am doubtful … the doctor will tell you that your injury is not vax related.. and you will believe the doctor…

          That is was DelusiSTANIS do…. then they get another Booster… and they are dead.

          You see – this is the only way to cure a DelusiSTANI… you have to bombard the village and follow with 50,000 gallons of napalm… to save it….

  12. Fast Eddy says:

    Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt and world champion, Craig Jones, announced on Instagram that he is unable to fight or train after suffering a bad reaction to the Covid-19 vaccine causing his stomach to build up with fluid. Craig Jones was the Polaris 205 lbs World Champion and the Polaris 185 lbs World Champion in 2018 and 2019. He also finished 2nd place at the ADCC World Championship in 2019.

    “I’m out guys. One of the unlucky ones that had an adverse reaction to the Covid vaccine. I won’t bore you with all my symptoms but ended up carrying a bunch of fluid around my stomach and can’t train let alone compete.”

    https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/world-class-athletes-suffer-vaccine

  13. Fast Eddy says:

    Florian Dagoury, the current world’s top static breath-hold free diver – he officially held his breath for 10 minutes and 30 seconds – has been diagnosed with myocarditis and pericarditis 40 days after his second dose with the Pfizer vaccine. The free diver shared his adverse reaction on Instagram:

    “After my 2nd dose I noticed that my heart rate was way higher than normal and my breath hold capacities went down significantly. During sleep I’m at 65-70bpm instead of 37-45bpm. During the day I’m now always over 100bpm instead of 65bpm, even when I sit down and relax. Once I even reach 177bpm while having dinner with friends !!!! 40days after 2nd jab, I had no progress so I went to see another cardiologist and got diagnosed with Myocarditis, Pericarditis and Trivial Mitral regurgitation! I’m now struggling to reach 8min breath hold, 150m down and I even have a strong urge to breath doing 40m dives. 30% decrease on my diving performance roughly.”

    https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/world-class-athletes-suffer-vaccine

      • Fast Eddy says:

        As contrarian … I find it rather amusing … he paid the price for MOREONISM…

        What is really amazing is that even if people are aware of these deaths they will continue to inject.

        Take norm dunc mike for example… they have been bombarded with the injury numbers and still they believe a) they are safe and b) they are being administered to save them.

        I find it pleasant when someone who was aware of the risks… gets the injection … and ends up smashed and maimed

        They deserve it.

  14. Fast Eddy says:

    2,199,476 adverse effects following vaccination against COVID-19 have been reported in 2021 as of today, with 866,558 (39 percent) of the injuries being reported in 18–44-year-olds, and 1,517,989 (69 percent) of all injuries occurring in women.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/World-Health-Organization-810×500.jpg

    The World Health Organization’s publicly accessible database recording reported potential side effects of medicinal products shows over 2 million cases of possible COVID vaccine injuries in 2021 alone, with 69 percent of the cases occurring in female patients.

    VigiAccess was founded in 2015 by the World Health Organization (WHO) to allow the public access to VigiBase, the WHO’s database.

    https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=339

    • CTG says:

      2,199,476 adverse effects following vaccination against COVID-19 have been reported in 2021 as of today, with 866,558 (39 percent) of the injuries being reported in 18–44-year-olds, and 1,517,989 (69 percent) of all injuries occurring in women.

      ** Do we factor in under-reporting that is 10 times more than what it is supposed to me?

  15. Rodster says:

    “ World Class Athletes Suffer Vaccine Injuries”

    https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/world-class-athletes-suffer-vaccine

  16. Fast Eddy says:

    Fantastic! This is exactly the sort of thing one would expect as we hurtle towards the abyss of peak everything!!!

    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/world-gone-mad-upscale-la-neighborhood-wrestles-worsening-homeless-crisis

    • Halfvard says:

      “Man was, and is, too shallow and cowardly to endure the fact of the mortality of everything living. He wraps it up in rose-coloured progress-optimism, he heaps upon it the flowers of literature, he crawls behind the shelter of ideals so as not to see anything. But impermanence, the birth and the passing, is the form of all that is actual — from the stars, whose destiny is for us incalculable, right down to the ephemeral concourses on our planet. The life of the individual — whether this be animal or plant or man — is as perishable as that of peoples of Cultures. Every creation is foredoomed to decay, every thought, every discovery, every deed to oblivion. Here, there, and everywhere we are sensible of grandly fated courses of history that have vanished. Ruins of the “have-been” works of dead Cultures lie all about us. The hubris of Prometheus, who thrust his hand into the heavens in order to make the divine powers subject to man, carries with it his fall. What, then, becomes of the chatter about “undying achievements”?”

      • Christopher says:

        Some more from Spengler:

        “The question of whether world peace will ever be possible can only be answered by someone familiar with world history. To be familiar with world history means, however, to know human beings as they have been and always will be. There is a vast difference, which most people will never comprehend, between viewing future history as it will be and viewing it as one might like it to be. Peace is a desire, war is a fact; and history has never paid heed to human desires and ideals …”

        “Society is based on the inequality of men. This is a fact of nature.”

        “Enthusiasm is a virtue for followers, a vice for leaders. Intelligence is more important than inspiration. ”

        “Happiness is unexpected, rare, unlikely, brief and blindly appreciated. The less men have brooded about the nature of happiness, or their right to it, the happier they have been.”

        “The common man wants nothing of life but health, longevity, amusement, comfort – “happiness.” He who does not despise this should turn his eyes from world history, for it contains nothing of the sort. The best that history has created is great suffering.”

        “The great man lives in such a way that his existence is a sacrifice to his idea.”

        “The secret of all victory lies in the organization of the non-obvious.”

        “What is truth? For the multitude, that which it continually reads and hears.”

        “You are caught in the current of unceasing change. Your life is a ripple in it. Every moment of your conscious life links the infinite past with the infinite future. Take part in both and you will not find the present empty.”

        “Optimis is cowardice.”

        “Formerly no one was allowed to think freely; now it is permitted, but no one is capable of it any more. Now people want to think only what they are supposed to think, and this they consider freedom.”

        “One day the last portrait of Rembrandt and the last bar of Mozart will have ceased to be – though possibly a colored canvas and a sheet of notes will remain – because the last eye and the last ear accessible to their message will have gone.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          “Formerly no one was allowed to think freely; now it is permitted, but no one is capable of it any more. Now people want to think only what they are supposed to think, and this they consider freedom.”

          • Quite a few people have the television set on every waking hour, as a way to stop thinking.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Or the radio … both irritate the f789 out of me… I do not generally have the radio on when I drive as I listen to audio books… but the few times I have … I get this duo … I think it’s Rosie and some buffoon side-kick… Vacuous talk that would make Kim K and Paris interesting …

              I was driving through Lake Hayes Estate and I saw the FM company vehicle parked on the side of the road… with their show splashed on the side panel… and I was thinking hmmm… I bet one of these MOREONS lives here… I had a brief thought to take out my hockey stick (which I always keep in the back seat of my ute…) and clubbing that truck to death….

    • Sam says:

      Nope they “the wealthy” will just move to new zealand 🇳🇿 and other places until there is no where to run

      • Fast Eddy says:

        It’s not really any different than scurrying to the highest point of the Titanic and drinking Champagne…

  17. Tim Groves says:

    This is one of the ways in which the Medical Borg are attempting to eliminate the patient’s right to choose or refuse treatment and sweep everyone up into a huge monolithic totalitarian abattoir.

    Houston Methodist has suspended privileges for a Houston doctor after officials claim she was ‘spreading dangerous misinformation’ about the COVID-19 vaccine and treatments. Dr. Mary Bowden, an ear, nose and throat specialist with a popular private practice on Kirby Drive, has been outspoken about vaccine mandates and treatments. She recently tweeted that she was focusing on treating the unvaccinated. Friday night, a spokesperson with Houston Methodist said her privileges had been suspended pending an investigation. In response, Dr. Bowden defends her tweets, and said she has the utmost respect for Houston Methodist and her colleagues. Her suspension came just days after the U.S. Surgeon General released a guide to stop misinformation, which he called an urgent threat to public health.

    Houston Methodist officials posted a statement on Twitter about Bowden’s suspension. “Dr. Bowden is using her social media accounts to express her personal and political opinions about the COVID-19 vaccine and treatments. These opinions, which are harmful to the community, do not reflect reliable medical evidence or the values of Houston Methodist, where we have treated more than 25,000 COVID-19 inpatients, and where all our employees and physicians are vaccinated to protect our patients.” The hospital added she is “spreading dangerous misinformation which is not based in science.” Houston Methodist said Bowden recently joined the medical staff and, as of Friday, had never admitted a patient. She also told the hospital she is vaccinated, as is required.

    Her attorney, Steven Mitby, released a statement Friday night. “Dr. Mary Bowden is a Stanford-trained physician who owns a successful medical practice in Houston and has provided top quality care to thousands of Houstonians. Dr. Bowden has treated more than 2,000 patients with COVID-19, many with co-morbidities, and has yet to have one of her patients end up in the hospital. Her early treatment methods work and are saving lives. If America had more doctors like Dr. Bowden, COVID outcomes would be much better. Dr. Bowden is not anti-vaccine. Like most Americans, Dr. Bowden believes that people should have a choice and believes that all people, regardless of vaccine status, should have access to the same high quality health care without discrimination. Dr. Bowden has the utmost respect for Houston Methodist and is proud of the work she has done along with her colleagues at Houston Methodist.”

    Warning, this is ABC News and the site is heavy with ads you probably won’t want to see.

    https://abc13.com/houston-doctor-suspended-dr-mary-bowden-covid-methodist/11230466/

    • Azure Kingfisher says:

      Her attorney provided a great statement in her defense.

    • Xabier says:

      Dissident doctors are being condemned for an unorthodox opinion ‘harmful to the community’.

      This is theological/Totalitarian language, not scientific and not rational.

  18. Fast Eddy says:

    People who believe humans have much impact on the klimate are no different than CovIDIOTS…

    Both are MOREONS.

    • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

      Whatever 😛 you declare bro, after all you are our Fast Eddie!
      We live you so much!❤️

    • Mike Roberts says:

      Belief is not required. All that is required is to read the science.

      • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

        Mike, ⚠️ warning do not argue with our village ideeit

      • Rodster says:

        And what if The Science decides to lie to you or gets it totally wrong? The science is made up of wackos like Guy McPherson.

        • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

          Do you have a peer reviewed study to back your statement?
          Just asking..

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GVrtpNj-5zw

          Don’t worry Roddie, nothing is going to be done, BAU on track

          And thats precisely where the UN COP international climate negotiation in Glasgow are a total failure, just like the prior COP Paris Accords in 2015 were a total failure.

          They both failed to make firm, binding commitments to end using coal, oil and natural gas.

          Both settled for allowing governments to make vague promises—-which they aren’t keeping.

          That means greenhouse gases will continue to accumulate in the atmosphere and global warming will continue to intensify.

          So, why is everyone having such a hard time dealing with the fact that without fossil fuels we are toast!?

        • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

          The Science is made up mostly of people who are employed by the highly corrupted institutions of the world, where huge sums of money are doled out to “scientists” who must produce the desired results of those people in charge of those corrupted institutions.

          Pfukzer has been fined billions of dollars after getting caught in corrupt practices.

          • Herbie Ficklestein says:

            Oh, My there is corruption…Imagine that

            The entire agreement appeared momentarily in peril when delegates from China and India proposed a last-minute change to crucial text around moving away from coal, saying they would agree only to “phase down unabated coal,” rather than “phase out.”
            Washington Post
            Sure, maybe sometime in 2050 or so whatever
            Best find out when that started…hint hint when Adam and Eve got kicked out?

            • When pre-humans learned to control fire, something like 1.7 to 2.0 million years ago. This set the path for human population to quickly outgrow burned biomass as an energy source. Cutting down trees became a huge problem. Coal was a way to save the forests.

              We can go back to burned biomass, but no one expects forests to last longer than one year.

      • Tim Groves says:

        The Science will not be mocked!

      • Azure Kingfisher says:

        We all make leaps of faith in this life, even those who worship at the alter of science.

        Rapidly executing a global “vaccine” program using questionable mRNA technology in response to a novel coronavirus was one of the greatest leaps of faith our species has ever taken.

        • Mike Roberts says:

          Not sure what is questionable about it. But this thread is about another subject.

          • Azure Kingfisher says:

            Long term repercussions as yet unknown for our species.

            • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

              true!

              and it’s not so much a question of how well mRNA technology works.

              what we are questioning is the mRNA production of the most toxic part of the SARS-2 virus which is the spike protein.

              yes, we know for sure that the mRNA technology “WORKS” because it indeed is totally effective in producing the toxic spike proteins in the bodies of the victims of the jabs.

              the double jabbed are volunteers in an experiment which isn’t about how well mRNA technology works.

              it’s an experiment about how much their natural immune systems are damaged by each subsequent jab, and excess deaths via the jabs.

              early reports are showing MORE excess deaths in the double jabbed.

              please all you double jabbed, please get a booster every 6 months so we can have the data about 4 and a half years from now.

              thanks in advance.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/pms-update-boosters-waikato-alert-levels-agenda

              Did I mention someone I know was hit with severe cardiac problems after Jab 2… (different than the HK guy).. I put out a bit of a warning because the doctor says it’s not Pfizer heart… of course that was ignored…

              Her 6 months is up so booster time…

              This is nice!

              http://www.hongtaicasket.com/uploadfile/20170920/20170920114148445.jpg

          • Fast Eddy says:

            You don’t actually expect anyone in The Core to click your link… bahahahahahahahahahaha…

            Deeeeee LETE

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Trust the MSM. Right mike the m____

      • Halfvard says:

        You should read some actual science rather than “the science”, probably starting with Valentina Zharkova if you want to actually understand cl*mate ch*nge and how it really works rather than the completely implausible theory that it’s driven by an accumulation of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

        But you won’t, because you’re close-minded and brainwashed by propaganda and will even call this rational advice “kooky” or something.

        Have a nice evening.

  19. CTG says:

    I believe it is not a coincidence that

    1. Those who believe in klimate change are caused by humans
    2. Reducing legitimate gun ownership is a good thing (note that in my country private gun ownership is banned)
    3. Wokeism is a good thing
    4. Renewables can save earth

    are also the ones will will line up for jab #10 without any questions asked.

    Am I not surprised or am I surprised?

    • Very Far Frank says:

      Sometimes a shovel is a shovel.

      And a conformist is a conformist.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      They will also believe we have landed on the moon and that the US govt did not orchestrate 911… basically anything you read in the MSM… they believe. Without question.

      MORE.ONS

      • CTG says:

        To me, not MORE.ONS but bots. subjects of a simulation. Seems like they have no souls. Automatons be be precise. Don’t you feel that in them? Spread across different culture, geography, religion, ethnicity, education level yet they act the same way in a fashion that is so predictable.

        Are those humans anyway?

        • Fast Eddy says:

          Yes indeed. When you show someone evidence such as American Moon and they still insist we’ve been to the moon … then without a doubt there is something strange going on …

          I refer to it as MOREONISM… but it might just be that they are programmed by the virtual reality and are unable to see what is so obvious.

          Same as when you show them the missile slamming into the pentagon … they will insist it is a plane – even though there are no wings

        • Xabier says:

          Perhaps your idea of what it is to be human is too exalted?

          Blind conformity is so common a characteristic that it can only be regarded as very human indeed.

          Those of us who can think in a detached way are probably the ‘aliens’, in a sense…

    • There is some reduced part of what these people believe that is actually helpful. The problem is taking it way too far (or distorting the problem) in the way the MSM does, especially the more liberal part of it.

      1. Back as hunter gatherers, humans burned down whole forests to get better access to the kinds of foods that they wanted (plants or animals available with more sunlight). Such burning of forest no doubt had an impact on local climates. How much more modern man has done, and whether anything can (or should) be done about it is really questionable.

      2. In parts of the US, people living in rural areas feel a need to carry a gun in case they encounter a wild animal that they fear will attack them or the animals that they are trying to raise. There is also fear that the economy will go downhill and the hope that guns will help in self-dense.

      The problem is that having a lot of guns around seems to lead to a high suicide rate. There are also problems with gun accidents killing family members. In some cases guns can be used by mentally unstable people, or by young gang members, or in crime situations. But getting rid of guns is prohibited by the constitution. It also doesn’t necessarily solve the other problems.

      3. It is useful to help each other, especially within a family situation and within close relatives. Governments can provide useful serves for all citizens. But trying to assure equal outcomes, to the extent of Wokeism, doesn’t really work.

      4. It makes sense not to be wasteful in our use of material, and some materials can economically be used more than once, but it is not true that renewables will save the world, or that we can live in a “circular economy.”

      • Halfvard says:

        “1. Back as hunter gatherers, humans burned down whole forests to get better access to the kinds of foods that they wanted (plants or animals available with more sunlight). Such burning of forest no doubt had an impact on local climates. How much more modern man has done, and whether anything can (or should) be done about it is really questionable.”

        This reminds me of a good Robinson Jeffers poem:

        Fire On The Hills

        The deer were bounding like blown leaves
        Under the smoke in front the roaring wave of the brush-fire;
        I thought of the smaller lives that were caught.
        Beauty is not always lovely; the fire was beautiful, the terror
        Of the deer was beautiful; and when I returned
        Down the back slopes after the fire had gone by, an eagle
        Was perched on the jag of a burnt pine,
        Insolent and gorged, cloaked in the folded storms of his shoulders
        He had come from far off for the good hunting
        With fire for his beater to drive the game; the sky was merciless
        Blue, and the hills merciless black,
        The sombre-feathered great bird sleepily merciless between them.
        I thought, painfully, but the whole mind,
        The destruction that brings an eagle from heaven is better than men.

        • we could burn down forests; with no problem when the forest wasn’t inhabited by someone else, or indeed owned by someone else, and there was hardly anyone else around anyway.

      • Hideaway says:

        People believe in whatever they want to believe in. Right now there are literally billions of people that believe in a higher power of some type, depending upon the religion, all without any evidence.

        Even science is based on numbers and the belief that trends of numbers from the past will continue into the future.

        Science suggests that water boils at 100* Celsius, because that is what has happened in the past, until someone comes along and proves it boils at a lower temperature at a higher altitude, so a new explanation comes along.

        Lots of things that have plenty of empirical evidence gets thrown in as science, even though the empirical evidence is more scattered than something as simple as boiling water.

        Common sense, that seems to be very uncommon should come into all science, and people’s belief system, but often doesn’t.

        For example burning billions of tonnes of the easiest to get carbon will make it eventually harder to obtain, then eventually it will all be burned if useful, on a finite planet. Most here seem to agree with this.

        Also likely is that putting a gas into the atmosphere that wasn’t there in such quantities in the recent past is likely to have an effect.

        Realistically, any change in Klimate/weather is irrelevant, as the harder to get energy resources are a much bigger issue, as our modern civilization is based on cheap easy to get energy. This is something that the modern ‘science’ (LOL) of economics ignores, because it wasn’t relevant in the past.

        We are going from a system of negentrophy greater than entrophy, to one of entrophy greater than negentrophy. It’s a fundamental change that is not recognised by many..

        • Tim Groves says:

          I suspect most people wouldn’t be able to spot the difference between negentrophy and negentropy or between entropy and entrophy if they were hit on the head with it during a debate on thermodynamics. Perhaps you could enlighten us about it? Just alternative spellings, I expect.

          I’ve read it said that entropy is a bit like phlogiston. It doesn’t actually exist, but it provides a neat explanation for what is actually observed.

          From “How Harmful Is the First Law?”
          By GEORG JOB AND TIMM LANKAU
          Job-Stiftung, Institutfür Physikalische Chemie, University ofHamburg, 20146 Hamburg, Germany

          All these observations are incompatible with the equivalence of heat and work assumed by the First Law. Not only that, but the standard interpretation ofthe First Law precludes a simple interpretation of entropy, by assigning its attributes to the energy quantity Q. As a result, entropy is reduced to a lifeless ghost without concrete physical properties, while Q assumes a schizophrenic double role that it cannot fulfill.

          The quantities Q and S are in a relationship similar to that of phlogiston and oxygen at the beginning of modern chemistry. According to phlogiston theory, removing all the phlogiston from a metal yields a heavy, earthy calx (the metal oxide, from the modern point of view), which can readily be transformed again into the (obviously lighter) metal by adding phlogiston.
          metal calx+phlogiston (today:metal+oxygen oxide

          The entity that was later called oxygen is described in the phlogiston theory by its negative–a phantom with fantastic properties, only known in its bound state, but in­ tangible itself, with a negative weight. Before 1800, Lavoisier finally put an end to this “spook.” More than 50 years later, Clausius created a similar phantom with his definition of entropy.

          http://www.physikdidaktik.uni-karlsruhe.de/download/first_law.pdf

        • Tim Groves says:

          I do get your main point, expressed in your final paragraph, by the way. And I agree with it.

        • Tim Groves says:

          Right now there are literally billions of people that believe in a higher power of some type, depending upon the religion, all without any evidence.

          Conversely, there are literally millions of people and maybe over a billion that believe there is no higher power, depending upon the ideology, all without evidence.

          So much for belief. According to Jung:

          https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-word-belief-is-a-difficult-thing-for-me-i-don-t-believe-i-must-have-a-reason-for-carl-jung-15-14-98.jpg

          • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

            I do not see any solid evidence for a higher power.

            so I have no reason to think that there is a higher power.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Fast Eddy is evidence of a Higher Power. The fact that HE insists on upper case (HIM HE) is surely evidence of great Power.

  20. Jimothy says:

    People forget and underestimate how much they can alter their microclimate and hydrology, to some extent. I’ve had multiple neighbors who have cut down trees only to find that it worsened flooding on their property. They had no use for the wood, they just got it in their head that trees are bad. Similarly, well placed berms, swales, and ponds can also be helpful. Of course, in the face of our energy situation it all amounts to very little

  21. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    Yo. Bro. Our patience is wearing thin…
    Business Insider
    A Texas doctor who defended ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19 and criticized vaccine mandates has been suspended
    Yelena Dzhanova
    Sun, November 14, 2021, 12:07 PM·2 min read
    coronavirus hospital texas
    Dr. Joseph Varon (right) speaks to a patient in the COVID-19 intensive care unit at the United Memorial Medical Center in Houston, Texas on December 29, 2020.. Go Nakamura/Getty Images
    The Houston Methodist Hospital has suspended the privileges of Dr. Mary Bowden.

    On Twitter, she repeatedly defended the anti-parasitical drug Ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment.

    Bowden is the latest doctor to face disciplinary measures after going against COVID-19 guidelines backed by leading health officials.

    A doctor from Texas who spread COVID-19 misinformation on her personal Twitter account has had her privileges suspended.

    Dr. Mary Bowden of the Houston Methodist Hospital posted a series of tweets praising the anti-parasitical drug Ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment. She also called vaccine mandates “wrong.”

    Ivermectin is a drug typically used to treat parasitic infections in livestock like horses. Health agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration have repeatedly warned that the drug can cause adverse side effects in humans, like dizziness and nausea. In some cases, it can lead to overdose and death, as well as hallucinations and seizures.

    Ivermectin can be used by humans but only through a prescription ordered by a doctor, usually to get rid of parasitic worms, according to the FDA. Sometimes, ivermectin can be used to treat lice and skin conditions like rosacea. But no health agency recommends that people infected with the coronavirus take ivermectin.

    Bowden’s attorney Steven Mitby told CNN that the doctor is not against vaccines but rather believes that “people should have a choice.” Bowden is vaccinated, Mitby said, as Houston Methodist mandates that all doctors be fully vaxxed against COVID-19.

    In a statement posted to Twitter, the Houston Methodist Hospital said Bowden used her account to “express her personal and political opinions about the COVID-19 vaccine and treatments.”

    -Houston Methodist (@MethodistHosp) November 12, 2021

    Bowden is the latest doctor to face discipline after going against COVID-19 guidelines that are backed by leading health officials nationwide.

    Last month, retired physician Sue McIntosh voluntarily surrendered her medical license after officials learned she was giving patients blank, signed COVID-19 exemption waivers. And in September, Steven Arthur LaTulippe had his medical license revoked after he falsely described carbon-dioxide poisoning as a risk of wearing face masks.

    Read the original article on Business Insider

    Yes. The PARTY Line is the ONLY LINE..too much quid on the line to do otherwise..
    So what if a few eggs get broken

    • Ed says:

      “But no health agency recommends that people infected with the coronavirus take ivermectin.”

      That is none in the U.S. India does recommend it. Most of African countries recommend it.

      It is just the five eyes that are being exterminated.

    • Xabier says:

      If we were to look at this in religious terms, it is clear that the aggressive supporters of the new Vaxx Cult are busy expelling members of the old medical priesthood from the temples if they refuse to embrace the new theology, conduct the new rituals, an preach appropriately to the masses.

      Simply a power-grab by fanatics, nothing to do with medical science or reason.

      In fact, they want to lure or force the whole of society into their Cult, and are assisted in this by the kings and princes of the earth, who have have adopted the Cult, or pretend to follow it for their own reasons…

  22. Fast Eddy says:

    M Fast was troubled by the fact that one of the instructors at her gym was fretting over injecting her 12 year old… she’s already been injected and asked M Fast if she had been … M Fast told her we’ve got friends with Pfizer Heart — oh she replies – that’s very rare… oh yes… we only have 3 friends that have it… the other 97 or so people we know don’t have it…

    Anyway — I told M Fast not to try to convince her to not inject her child … if it goes badly I will personally make a trip to Bunnings and buy the perfect length of rope … and you can give it to her and point her to a sturdy tree…..

    Fast also attended a meeting of “anti-vaxxers” just to see what they are up to … He listened and did not contribute… because Fast believes the CEP is a good thing … He does not want to give them ideas such as instead of holding up signs saying ‘We Want Freedom and Oppose Lockdowns” instead hold up signs and hand out flyers that have the Heat Damage Charts from VAERS…

    Fight Fear with Fear ….

    But no.. Fast will not give them ideas… failure for them is success

  23. Genomir says:

    OH NO https://imgur.com/gallery/7btsQxl

    Second best movie after Dune for this year.

  24. hillcountry says:

    Stephanie Brail is really good communicator. Check out her excellent synopsis of a long article by Julius Reuchel who recently published “The Snake-Oil Salesmen and the COVID-Zero Con: A Classic Bait-And-Switch for a Lifetime of Booster Shots (Immunity as a Service)”

    https://wholistic.substack.com/p/if-theres-one-thing-you-need-to-read

    • Tim Groves says:

      This was a nicely simplified summary of Julius Reuchel’s article, which is very informative but needed prrecisely this treatment to be more comprehensible to the non-specialists among us.

  25. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Central banks enter dangerous new territory. A global surge in inflation is exceeding central bank targets in many countries, at a time when unconventional monetary policies are still being pursued in scale…

    “The Fed managed to dance on the head of this pin following the global financial crisis as inflation was dormant, the lift-off was gradual, and its portfolio was much smaller… This time, the set-up is different, not just for the Fed but also for central banks around the world.”

    https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/central-banks-enter-dangerous-new-territory-20211114-p598r0

  26. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Amid a delay in rainfall, Jordan’s major dams are either completely empty or facing critically low water levels, putting the country on the verge of an unprecedented drought crisis should dry weather conditions persist.

    “Of the kingdom’s 14 major dams, three are now empty…”

    https://www.arabnews.com/node/1967216/middle-east

  27. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Tunisians protest against President Saied’s power grab…

    “Tunisian police have clashed with protesters near the chamber of the suspended parliament as demonstrators marched against President Kais Saied’s seizure of political power four months ago.”

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/11/14/tunisians-protest-against-president-saied-near-parliament

  28. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Yellen says economic slowdown in China would have “global consequences.

    “The Biden administration is closely watching the situation unfolding in China with the world’s most indebted property developer, according to Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, who warned that its struggles to pay back billions in loans could have repercussions for the global economy.”

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/janet-yellen-china-evergrande-global-consequences-face-the-nation/

  29. Harry McGibbs says:

    “The [US] Student Loan Crisis Is Worse Than You Think… Today, according to the latest student loan debt statistics, there are 45 million student loan borrowers who collectively owe $1.7 trillion of student loans.

    “Without reform, student loan borrowers and their families will continue to be saddled with student loan debt and the federal government will be financially liable if student loan borrowers default on their student loans.”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2021/11/13/the-student-loan-crisis-is-worse-than-you-think/

  30. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Ships at California ports are now waiting a record 17 days to unload: Supply crisis gets worse after Biden vowed to fix it.

    “There were as many as 83 ships at anchor and in a holding pattern outside ports in Los Angeles and Long Beach as of Friday night, a new record.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10199137/Backup-container-ships-outside-California-nearly-17-days.html

  31. Harry McGibbs says:

    “OPEC+ oil ministers point to a massive surplus early next year as their justification for sticking to a plan of only modest production increases. But those forecasts are built on fanciful numbers — and they’re wrong.

    “It doesn’t matter which of the three oil market forecasts presented last week to the OPEC+ group you look at, they all show the same thing in different degrees: The current tight oil market will soon evaporate, to be replaced by one in which supply is running ahead of demand and global stockpiles are rising again. That switch, however, is based on highly inflated estimates of the group’s own future production.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-14/opec-s-fears-of-an-oil-glut-are-built-on-faulty-forecasts

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Nigeria’s crude oil production has been declining steadily in the last few months owing to the force majure declared by some of the International Oil Companies (IoCs) ,industry sources told The Nation yesterday.

      “The situation has made the country lose its No.1 position in oil production in Africa to Libya. One of the sources said some of the multinational oil companies are discreetly withdrawing their investment in the industry.”

      https://thenationonlineng.net/why-nigeria-crude-oil-production-is-declining-by-experts/

    • Further explanation:

      Conveniently, OPEC published its latest monthly report on Thursday. As expected, the increase from September was a fraction of that used in the forecast prepared for the ministers’ meeting. Crude production by the ten members of OPEC covered by the current output agreement increased by just 136,000 barrels a day from September to October, less than one-fifth of the jump assumed in the forecast. . .

      Persistent production shortfalls in countries like Nigeria and Angola are not the result of maintenance, as Saudi Energy Minister Prince Abdulaziz Bin Salman claimed after the OPEC+ meeting; rather, they reflect dwindling capacity [emphasis added] resulting from lack of investment in exploration and development. So the shortfall will persist. In fact, it’s going to get worse, as more and more countries run up against capacity constraints and struggle to lift production.

      With the chronic low prices, OPEC countries can’t really add very much more.

  32. Tim Groves says:

    Robin Swann—throw a rock at him and you can kill two bird’s with one stone! Get it!?— seems a rather thin-skinned for a government minister. He’s suing Van Morrison for defamation of character and harming his reputation after the latter called him a “fraud” and “very dangerous”. Actually, Swann didn’t have a reputation until Morrison criticized him, so he should be grateful to be a somebody at last.

    The real danger is that such a childish and easily wounded man is in charge of the province’s health and implementing the policy that adds up to No Child Left Alone. He’s already offering the jabs to everyone over twelve, and he says he doesn’t rule out offering them to the under-12s. That’s very dangerous.

    When I was knee high to a leprechaun, the mothers used to tell your kids to stay well away from men who came up and offered to stick things into them.

    ::::

    VAN MORRISON is being sued by Northern Ireland’s Health Minister over comments relating to Covid-19 lockdown restrictions.

    In June, the singer branded Robin Swann “very dangerous” in a chant at a function at Belfast’s Europa Hotel.

    Mr Swann’s solicitor, Paul Tweed, said proceedings are at an “advanced stage” with a hearing expected early next year.

    In response, Mr Morrison’s solicitor said the singer “regrets that Mr Swann considered it necessary to issue proceedings”.

    https://www.irishpost.com/news/van-morrison-being-sued-by-health-minister-after-covid-criticism-224016

  33. Fast Eddy says:

    The Texas miracle

    Unvaccinated people 20 times more likely to die from COVID-19, Texas data shows. Come on now… .Seriously?!?!?

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/the-texas-miracle

  34. Fast Eddy says:

    It is no longer enough for global production to grow at the current – or at least pre-pandemic – rate. To compensate for the oil and gas lost to producing states’ domestic economies, European states require a big increase in the rate of production. Which brings us to the second show-stopper: we have extracted fossil fuels on a low-hanging-fruit basis.

    That is, we began by extracting the cheapest and easiest deposits first before working our way toward the difficult and expensive ones. This is one reason why global oil production peaked in 2018 – there is still plenty of oil beneath the ground, but we can only afford to produce a fraction of it.

    This is not simply a matter of money. Indeed, as we saw with fracking in the aftermath of the 2008 crash, financial engineering can temporarily allow companies to produce oil and gas which is almost entirely unprofitable. But the real phenomenon underlying this financial chicanery concerns the energy cost of energy – the amount of energy required to produce a unit of energy.

    In the case of fracking in the USA, for an input of the energy equivalent of one barrel of oil it was possible to produce five barrels – far less than the 20:1 minimum ratio required to operate an advanced industrial economy. It is this which is the true silent killer behind our growing energy woes because the energy sector of the economy is tiny in comparison to the non-energy sectors:

    https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2021/10/11/is-this-peak-gas/

    • I would have more faith in this argument if there were actually any statistics that show this. The biophysical economics folks have a problem because their calculations tend not to actually come out “right.” It is difficult to measure what truly needs to be measured; this is a big part of the problem.

  35. It honestly never occurred to me before, but Gail is actually in denial over climate change. Not that she doesn’t think it’s happening at all or that it isn’t anthropogenic, but that she doesn’t believe it’s possible for it to get much worse than it already is.

    No submarine North Sea coal or Parisian shale oil is required to push us past the 1.5 degree or 2 degree limits within which activists are urging us to keep. The present reserve of fossil fuels in existing known deposits is more than sufficient. To have a decent chance of remaining within the 2 degree limit, we can emit no more than one trillion (short scale, 10^12) more tonnes of CO₂ before we start to bring atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide down again.

    The present global “economically proven coal reserves” (not potential resource, but extractable at current prices from deposits known to be exploitable) of coal alone is well over one trillion tonnes of the carbon-rich fuel. For each tonne of coal burned, roughly 2.4 tonnes of CO₂ will be emitted to the atmosphere. Even if we ceased all burning of gas and oil, we could afford to burn less than half the coal recoverable at current prices from current coal mining provinces.

    There are roughly 240 billion tonnes of proven reserve of petroleum (depending how credible you think OPEC is), enough to emit about 600 billion tonnes of CO₂. Burning presently economically extractable petroleum alone gets us more than half way to our 2 degree limit.

    There are a little under 200 trillion “standard cubic metres” of proven reserve of gas, which is only enough to emit 3.7 billion tonnes of CO₂. Almost trivial in comparison with the other two fossil fuels.

    Some climate change alarmists like to claim that the world will literally become too hot for humans to live here, or that our great cities will drown under rising oceans. Those are not physical impossibilities, but they are hyberbole and fable.

    The real near-term risk of climate change is mass starvation as monsoons fail and salt water incursions render infertile the low-lying river deltas which grow half our food.

    Fossil fuel scarcity will not save us from that horror.

    • I don’t think 99% of us will be around to see any change in climate. Inadequate food supply will start as soon at 2022 because of inadequate fertilizer (related to inadequate fossil fuels) and broken supply lines. It will affect poor people in poor countries, especially poor people not earning enough money to buy food. Lebanon, Haiti, Yemen, Venezuela and many other poor countries will start seeing population drop in the near future.

      The self-organizing system will fix the problem, somehow, so that as much energy is dissipated as possible. There is really nothing that we can do to fix the problem. The terms “Proven gas reserve” and “Proven oil reserve” and “Proven coal reserve” are meaningless. We cannot actually extract these amounts. This is the big lie. Look at Venezuela today. It supposedly has the world’s highest oil reserves. But it has no way to get them out.

    • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

      Gail has pointed out on several occasions that this is NOT a Climate Change Big and to some degree it does get discussed here among the comments.
      For those that are interested in the topic and how it relates to the Economy, would like to give a mention to another that I believe is put out by Harry…

      https://climateandeconomy.com/

      Why this website?
      Why am I focusing on climate change news, since humanity’s impact on the planet is both mind-boggling and multi-faceted? Read on!

      Read here about why I am focusing on the trajectory of our global economy. We can’t have an infinite growth paradigm on a planet of finite resources.

      How did I fall down the rabbit holes marked ‘climate change’, ‘environmental degradation’ and ‘economic collapse’

      ……

      My interest now is in bearing witness as this unprecedented period of history unfolds and keeping an eye on the various areas of stress within the climate and economic systems. By cobbling together a daily patchwork quilt of stories from the mainstream press, we can, I have found, do this quite effectively.

      If you visit climateandeconomy.com regularly, then I welcome you warmly and am glad of the company.

      Please visit there for more if you want more on CC and Economy

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Why am I focusing on climate change news, since humanity’s impact on the planet is both mind-boggling and multi-faceted? Read on!

        I dropped off at that point….

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      If we think of ourselves as a part of the planet, then the planet is ‘doing its thing’ also through us. The planet is constantly changing, including the climate and ecosystems. Part of the angst about AGW may be that humans have a tendency to think of circumstances in the terms of ‘stability’, in which they find security and safety, which is somewhat natural. They want a ‘well ordered’ society and world. But the planet is ‘dynamic’ and its ‘orders’ are temporary and even illusionary. It is always on the way to ‘becoming what it is not’.

      Ecosystems enter and leave ‘equilibrium’. Species enjoy their domination of niches and then the ecosystems change and fresh species can evolve to make and fill new niches. Climate change plays an important role in that biological evolution. It is unavoidable that angst about AGW is ‘anthropocentric’, in some sense, as it concerns how humans want the world to be, even if that happens to be, on the whole, how it presently is (but ‘stable’). It is human ‘values’ in play about what ‘ought’ to happen. In itself the world is ‘object’, it has no ‘meaning’ or ‘value’ apart from what human ‘subjects’ project into it.

      In itself it would not ‘matter’ if the entire world ended, or the entire cosmos suddenly blinked out of existence, as it is hard to see how anything can ‘matter’ without a subject to whom it matters. Angst about AGW is a projection of human psychological structures onto the planet itself. It is rooted in our own ‘egoism’ as it expresses our own biological ‘drives’ about a world that matches our own needs in various ways, economic, aesthetic and even sentimental. Angst over AGW may appear to be ‘selfless’ but the subject is never selfless, it is always informed by its own psychological structures and biological drives.

      ‘Selflessness’ about AGW is an illusion, the structures of the subject-object relationship are hidden from consciousness. None of that is a ‘problem’, it ‘is what it is’. Humans ‘mistake’ their own concerns for something objective, and they have evolved to do so because it benefits them in various ways to do that. But the point is that the planet, of which we are a part, is always in transition, it always has been and it always will be. AGW is no ‘problem’ for the planet itself, rather it is the planet itself in its perpetual transition to new states and forms – which is what is ‘supposed’ to be happening.

      The planet does not remain the same or maintain its equilibriums indefinitely. It is only a limited and misguided human perspective that imagines that it does or that it is ‘supposed’ to, or that it is ‘better’ if it does, or that it ‘matters’ either way. So, from an informed, ‘detached’ perspective, we can rest in the understanding that it is ‘all good’. The planet will move on and species will adapt, including humans, which is what is ‘supposed’ to happen. And, as we are part of the planet ‘doing what it does’, driven by terrestrial biological drives, it is ‘out of our control’ anyway.

      ‘Free will’ is an illusion, we are complex biological machines ‘doing what they do’ either way. The planet is in transition ‘in and through us’. In a deep sense the situation ‘is what it is’ and it could not be otherwise, as that would suggest a counterfactual, imaginary world. 1.5, 1.7, 2.5 – the rise will be whatever it was always going to be, and humans cannot do anything different to what they were always going to do either way. So, angst also ‘is what it is’. Some humans will be more anxious about it all than others in the real, factual world – and they were always going to be.

      Of ‘the all’ and ‘everything’, it can be said that ‘it is what it is’ and it only ‘matters’ according to the illusion structures of the human mind. To employ another illusion structure, ‘it is all good’.

      • I would definitely agree with you on this. I especially like:

        “The planet does not remain the same or maintain its equilibriums indefinitely. It is only a limited and misguided human perspective that imagines that it does or that it is ‘supposed’ to, or that it is ‘better’ if it does, or that it ‘matters’ either way. ”

        If we hear the story that climate is changing and it is all our “fault” enough times, we start to believe that this is the real story. We even think that we can fix it by some small action on our part, such as buying a subsidized electric automobile as our second (or third) vehicle, instead of buying another vehicle with an internal combustion engine, or putting subsidized solar panels on our roof. The people encouraging this understand where the subsidies lie and where they can make money. They take their jets to meetings to discuss the world climate problem, or they come from poor countries, hoping that they can get handouts from the rich countries.

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          ‘All truth is will to power.’

          The AGW narrative reminds me of RCC ‘mass’, where the congregants are led each week to profess that they have ‘sinned’, ‘through my fault, my own fault, my most grievous fault’ before they receive communion. It is a habitual ritual that reinforces self-perceptions (likely not very healthy ones) – and while the congregants are at it, they can light a candle and leave 20p in the candle slot, and put some notes in the collection plate, as acts of ‘penance’ for their ‘faults’. The way that the world works is that someone, usually posing as the ‘good and holy’, is always making a living out of it while the rest of the people are busy professing how ‘sinful’ they are.

          And it is easy to be cynical about RCC, but do ‘secular’ societies really act any differently? Is Cop26 like a Vatican convention on the latest campaign to gather ‘indulgences’ from the peoples, the sort of thing that Martin Luther made a stand against? People are placed in a situation of anxiety and psychological duress, and the reality of it is that, as you say, states and businesses, supposedly the ‘well-intentioned’, are planning how they can make a packet out of it. And the ‘values’ that they push at us, like ‘self-refusal’, ‘humility’, ‘poverty’, all sound very familiar. Is it really any different to the Medieval practices that were used to control and to exploit the people?

          Are we being fleeced?

          • Of course, a person doesn’t have to attend the Roman Catholic Church. If nothing else, there are many other religions with different emphases. The Lutheran Church I attend is filled with former Catholics who didn’t like these and other emphases.

            You can also turn on the television and hear advertisements for an unending list of goods and services that you need to keep up with your neighbor. You can feel like you need to conform to this version of the truth. The government will save you from whatever problems are ahead. Of course, this story is ridiculous well.

            We have lots of self-organizing systems that try to get you to conform to their beliefs and their ways of spending money. You can buy their goods or contribute to their cause/website. There is always a need to be cautious and pick out what suits your own needs.

        • Mike Roberts says:

          What, Gail, you especially like the attack on an idea that no-one holds (that I know of)? Certainly no climate scientist and no-one who has even casually looked at the issue thinks the planet can maintain an equilibrium indefinitely. It is a straw man argument.

          • You my not know people who think this way, but the idea that the climate can and should remain stable seems to underlie all of the articles about the climate changing, whether the weather happens to be hot or dry or wet. The explanation seems to be anthropogenic climate change. Somehow, it is mostly/all humans’ fault. If we didn’t do the awful things we are doing, buildings, roads, bridges, and ports could all have 100+ year lives. This makes the life of the infrastructure easier to model, but it is not the way things really work.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              The thing is … the klimate is always changing … it has been changing long before humans appeared….

              So it is very easy to convince a MOREON that the klimate is changing and that man is the cause.

              Not sure why the MSM keeps telling the MOREONS the klimate is changing and we need to do something about it – then tells us we need to swap to EVs and solar panels…

              Surely a MOREON would look at that and say hang on … how does that solve klimate change???

              Nah… they are MOREONS. Stooopid barnyard animals who inject themselves with experimental poisons.

              hahahahahahaha… do NOT expect Much from a MOREON

              Fly me to the moon ….

            • Fast Eddy says:

              Not sure why the Green Groopies are so concerned about this… we’ve just about burned all the fossil fuels we will ever burn … and we are still standing…

              They should be more concerned about running out and that 4x spike in the price of gas in Europe

              But noooooo… they are a sub-group of MOREON… so they bleat on about how we need to stop burning fossil fuels….

              And swap to solar and EVs? There is stooopid and then there is STOOOOOOOOPID!!!!

              hahahahaha … it’s like trying to explain stuff to a dog…

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Ok mike…

            Let’s pretend burning fossil fuels is roasting the planet…

            What should we do?

            • Mike Roberts says:

              No need to pretend. However, Gail is not letting me engage in the discussion so there is no point in saying anything here.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              mike … I insist that we are roasting the planet… and I will use my influence with Mother to allow you to respond…

              Fill in the blanks.. that makes it easy…

              The Top 3 Things We Can Do To Save the Planet from Roasting are:

              1 _______________________
              2 _______________________
              3 _______________________

            • Mike Roberts says:

              The Top 3 Things We Can Do To Save the Planet from Roasting are:

              1 _______________________
              2 _______________________
              3 _______________________

              But that is exactly what the world is doing, Fast Eddy.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              But that is not an answer mike… mike is a troll so he is unable to answer

            • Kowalainen says:

              1. Chuck in the oats, then
              2. Turn the cranks, finally
              3. Be maximally obnoxious to hopiate infused MOARons.

              Will it work? Obviously I will glee in delight and schadenfreude. And isn’t that saving my world, then tell me?

              Of, you meant “saving” mankind? That is just absurd.

              🤣👍👍

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I believe we should do what we have been doing – Burn MORE!

            • Mike Roberts says:

              I responded to your comment. Let me know when you want a serious discussion and I’ll join in.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I must have … deleted it

      • Kowalainen says:

        I guess most species on earth desire a biosphere in somewhat of a temporal balance.

        Impulsing a highly nonlinear system could have some drastic repercussions. Unbound chaos until a new equilibrium is found. Which may or may not be suitable for higher, more complex life.

        Say, if IC went down badly, the forests would be gone in an instant. That would indeed have been a bad day for the biosphere.

        I guess I’d rather see a pandemic and vaxxing effort than starving rapacious primates with their little vices, desires and attachments running amok with this planet sans fossil fuels. After all, there’s other sapient and sentient beings roaming the earth and surfing it’s waves.

        As for the AGW and CC propaganda, I couldn’t care less. We’re running out of cheap FF’s, and that’s the whole schtick behind the smoke and mirrors of the sanctimonious hypocrisy surrounding that “movement”.

        I mean, traveling to a CC conference in a private jet? 🤦‍♀️

        Oats and cranks!
        Just do it princesses.

        (It’s a good start)

        🤣👍👍

        • Fast Eddy says:

          It’s just too bad we don’t have a bit more cheap energy to burn up … I was so hoping to make 65….and get a lot more bucket listing in ..

          Oh well…

    • deimetri says:

      ‘The real near-term risk of climate change is mass starvation as monsoons fail and salt water incursions render infertile the low-lying river deltas which grow half our food.’

      Or we could ban fossil fuels and the fertilizer they produce and the tractors they run and the semi trucks that bring your food to the grocery store – that happen to run off of fossil fuels. And then we can congratulate ourselves that the reason we are starving is not because of climate change..We can feel really good about that..

      We had one of these fossil fuel protests locally by college students, what hypocrisy.. Why go to college then? If what is left of fossil fuels is banned, the global economy collapses tomorrow and their degrees are worthless…So why are they advocating their own economic suicide? Such sad ignorance…

      This is a predicament, not a problem..Problems have solutions, predicament have outcomes..We will ride this wave until we can’t..

    • Tim Groves says:

      It honestly never occurred to me before, but Gail is actually in denial over climate change. Not that she doesn’t think it’s happening at all or that it isn’t anthropogenic, but that she doesn’t believe it’s possible for it to get much worse than it already is.

      According to the good people at the Mayonaise Clinic:

      What does it mean for a person to be in denial?
      If you’re in denial, you’re trying to protect yourself by refusing to accept the truth about something that’s happening in your life.

      Verywellmind.com describes denial as follows:
      Denial is a type of defense mechanism that involves ignoring the reality of a situation to avoid anxiety.

      Now, we know that climate changes over various timescales, we know that the climate is the average of weather, which also changes over various timescales, and we know that the fact that these changes occur doesn’t necessarily mean that human activity is the driving force behind it. We can also be certain that if we commit collective suicide as a species, climate and weather will go on changing, even if there is nobody around to measure the changes.

      I can’t speak for Gail, but I personally haven’t experienced any climate change in my daily life. It simply hasn’t been happening around me in Japan. The Köppen-Geiger climate classification around here is Cfa, or Humid Subtropical. It was Cfa fifty years ago, it would have been Cfa a hundred years ago had the classification existed then, and it is still Cfa today. It’s cold in the winter and hot in the summer every year, temperature and rainfall and number of typhoons making landfall vary from year to year and decade to decade on what looks to be a random walk. People have grown rice here for two thousand years, planting at about the same time and harvesting at about the same time every year. There have always been occasional dry drought years when the crops won’t grow and wet overcast summers when they won’t mature, but those years don’t represent climate change; rather, they are a feature of the climate.

      What I have experienced is quite serious amounts of air pollution, mostly from China, beginning around the year 2000 and becoming serious enough to significantly dim the spring sunshine since around 2005. But 2019 was the last time that happened. I pray to St. Greta, it will not return. Air pollution is a real bummer. In parts of China the air is a hundred times more polluted than it is here, and life there must be absolutely miserable.

      But getting back to being in denial; is it possible to be in denial about possibilities that haven’t yet manifested? If that is the case, cannot everybody who doesn’t believe any x has a possibility of occurring be said to be in a state of denial? We can’t know the future, and we can’t know everything going on in the present that might contribute to the future, so a great many things MIGHT be possible, even if we have good reason to think them highly improbable.

      And since being in denial is a psychological state involving refusal to accept THE TRUTH and ignoring THE REALITY of a situation, you can refer to someone as “being in denial” without questioning their sanity, their objectivity, and their psychological health. I think that’s a pretty big claim to be making regardless of how many stats you have at your fingertips or how many climate models you’ve been playing around with.

      We are not talking about a politician denying a bribery scandal or a company denying a religious exemption from vaccination here. The idiom, “to be in denial” implies being refusal to acknowledge the truth or reality of a situation. Saying that somebody is in denial is not simply making an observation, it’s also an accusation. But it is a veiled, implied accusation, not clearly spelt out.

      Using this particular idiom is also an attempt to “talk past the sale” as used car dealers are often in the habit of doing. Instead of “imagine yourself cruising down Highway 61 in this car. Imagine all the fun you are going to have in it?,” the idiom talks us past the important question of “is x actually true or not” as if the question was settled, which questions about the future, in particular, can never be.

      • Kowalainen says:

        It is just plain old master suppression “technique”.

        Trying that stunt here seem a bit counterproductive. Especially since the specimen who wrote the OP likely indulge in all the little conveniences and spoils of IC.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        When’s the last time anyone asked you “how’s the klimate today” or said “nice klimate today isn’t it” …

        Nobody cares about the klimate unless it changes from lush farmland to desert … which has happened many times throughout history ..

        Let’s stay focused on weather… on the weekend it was very rainy and chilly here in Otago … today it is sunny and warmer…. very pleasant…

        All that matters is the weather. And as far as I know we still have spring summer autumn and winter weather here … and in the winter there is snow on the mountains… as there was 100 years ago… some years more … some less.

        • Tim Groves says:

          Spoken like a true skier! And a great lover of coal!

          Only a GRETA or a MOREON—but then I repeat myself—would willingly sit there in the dark and cold in the middle of winter with a pile of coal sitting there in the cellar unburnt in order to keep some hypothetical global average year-round temperature index from creeping up more than one point five degrees K.

          But in cities and towns all over frosty Europe this coming winter, millions will be unwillingly sitting there in their kitchens shivering in their overcoats or curled up like a pupating caterpillar in their sleeping bag while the condensation on their windowpanes turns to ice, all thanks to the miracle of green clean renewable energy forced on them via government fiat in obedience to the diktats of the Globalists, the Owners, the Elders, Davos Crowd, the Powers that Be.

    • Mike Roberts says:

      I fear you’re right. But don’t expect to change anyone’s mind here.

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Did you know that I bought 5km of prime ocean front land on Baffin Island in 2007 based on Guy’s predictions… I fully believed that I’d be constructing a sea side resort up there about now … and taking booking…

      Did I get suckered!!!

      https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/weather/nunavut/baffin

      Where are the coconut trees??????? And the pina coladas???? Guy? WTF????

      https://www.windy.com/-Webcams/Canada/Nunavut/Kinngait/Cape-Dorset/webcams/1569233920?64.178,-89.648,5

      You will soon be dead Jonathan … possibly sooner if you have been jabbed….

      So keep calm and take a Xanax.

  36. davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/traffic-deaths-are-surging-despite-less-miles-being-traveled

    Experts “don’t know what’s causing the surge,” the report says.

    the top comment on that ZH article says, and I quote in full:

    “Vaxidents”

    bingo!

    • MM says:

      A truck driver having a medical problem is reported to have left behind a track of devastation on a german highway of about 30km. Nobody was harmed besides signs and street limit posts. The police tried to stop the machine but could not until the truck finally halted.
      The driver was in a bad medical condition and was brought to a hospital.

    • Lidia17 says:

      An older woman (77) in my area, whom I’d met briefly a few times, ran over and killed a middle-aged female neighbor who was out for a morning walk, in good clear weather, on a rural road with little traffic. The driver simply left the scene and was traced due to bits of the car left behind. The injured woman was just left along the roadside until someone finally came across her at 11am; she died in hospital later that day.

      The driver was a kindly person who did various volunteer things in the community, so if this had been a simple accident and not intentional murder it’s hard to imagine her not staying at the scene or trying to summon help but just driving off home. The event is “under investigation”, but there haven’t been any reports as to the condition of the driver.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Hopefully the dead women was triple vaxxed and was bullying the neighbour…

      • Tim Groves says:

        It’s a fascinating story since we don’t have many details on it. Please keep us up to date if you hear more.

        Quiet country roads can be more dangerous for pedestrians and drivers alike because people tend to relax their concentration and pay less attention to other road users.

  37. Burgundy says:

    There are nearly 8M on earth. But very small number of people know about the predicament, let alone to understand it. The number is even smaller still for who actually accept it. Is it a privilege or a curse for these few having this premonition?

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      it’s a privilege for those who embrace schadenfreude, and who think finite existence doesn’t really matter.

      life is a tragedy to those who feel and a comedy to those who think, and to those who both feel and think, it is a farce.

    • Mike Roberts says:

      Only 8M people? That may be close to Fast Eddy’s heaven.

      • CTG says:

        Only 8M people? That may be close to Fast Eddy’s heaven.

        **Another sign of a bot

        ** Any humans would know that it is just a typo and no one would even poke fun of this error. Perhaps Mike is trying to be human. good luck

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    I had a discussion with a CovIDIOT earlier of the spiking infections in highly vaxxed countries… he blames this on the unvaxxed…

    Using SingaBore as an example I asked how they could have 4x more infections with 85% vaxxed than when they had 0% vaxxed… that would mean the infections among the unvaxxed must be off the charts now …

    Oh .. it’s the Delta…. that’s why.

    He’s been told what to think.

    Forget about trying to explain how the vaxxed are creating the mutations…. I can’t be bothered… I just wanted to find out what is happening in the mind of a MOREON…

    And now I know.

    When the hospitals are overrun it will continue to be the unvaxxed… if the vaxxed end up in hospital it will because the unvaxxed are mutation factories…

    The PR Team has locked this up tight… absolutely brilliant!

    • drb says:

      “He’s been told what to think”. It is one of the marvels of capitalism. As soon as you own the printing press, you buy all media, you throw money at those who study mass persuasion, and the art gets refined over generations. I assure in the former USSR the level of credulity is at least one order of magnitude, but surely even less, than in the West. To date, the only pro-vaxxer I met here was an European diplomat.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Hahaha… said the fool who has been convinced that communism is awesome.

        If you enjoy eating cabbage soup and potatoes while your masters live large… then ya – it’s awesome…

        But only because the propaganda machine convinced you of that right?

        They went to great lengths to ensure that the commie zombies did not see that the average capitalism minion lived larger than their politburo thugs.

        And remember how the commie athletes and ballet performers had to be kept under wraps when they went overseas… because they were defecting in droves.

        Yup — communism is awesome – that’s why it’s failed everywhere it was tried…

        Cuba is calling… what are you waiting for? Utopia is just a flight away….

        Do send us a postcard… hmmm… if you can afford it … do they get paid money in Cuba or do they get a sack of potatoes and some beans at the end of each month?

        The wonders of communism … you pretend to work – they pretend to pay you.

        I suppose if you are a good for nothing layabout with minimal intelligence or ambition … it’s the best system on earth.

        • drb says:

          Meanwhile, you post and post about evils… that are happening in capitalist countries…

          • Thierry says:

            Touché !

            • Fast Eddy says:

              I’d post about evils happening in commie countries — stuff like torture in the gulags and all that… but all the commie countries failed… there ain’t no more…

              Well there is Cuba… and we know that is the land of opportunity and an all round awesome place to live — and all you commies are emigrating there shortly — right?

              I understand it’s quite easy to find 14 year old girls turning tricks in Havana.. they do that because they have a thing for DOM (dirty old men)… not because the level of poverty is so brutal that they need to get with DOMs to feed their little brothers and sisters…

              Right?

          • drb> FE is evidently off his rocker on this point, I guess it’s somehow touching the point of his own great failure, i.e. unwisely choosing NZ (supposedly) as the PO / Surplus end of times bolthole, indeed very bad choice spooling him up.. While for the same money / resources could have arranged much more opulent and non bothered existence elsewhere, say rural US / CAN etc..

            • drb says:

              Well If I had known I would not have started this discussion. I am sorry FE. I am going through the same process (of deciding where to maximize surviving what is coming) and I understand. This is in fact an interesting topic to discuss when I have time.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              It’s morphed into becoming where is the best place to die… Cuz we are all going to die soon.

              Fast Eddy is pleased with the choice of Central Otago… He’s really enjoyed his time here.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Personally, I’d like to live close to a massive hydro power dam and or fossil fuel reserves.

              Basically any energy and or high tech centra. Just forget about painting countries and regions with broad strokes.

              It is not how this will go down. There will be a crystallization of productive capital wherever productivity can be expected from:

              1. “Cheap” energy (obviously), and
              2. Skilled high tech labor, and
              3. Grunts that gets ‘er done

              Something like that.

            • Fast Eddy says:

              While Fast Eddy is not a fan of Donkey Face… NZ does have it’s advantages… That said – FE has always struggled with staying in one place… HE has lived for considerable stretches in Hong Kong, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, and now New Zealand.

              One regret HE has mentioned is that HE did not move more often … finding hub locations in different parts of the world and basing out of these — then exploring those parts of the world thoroughly before moving on …. HE (and M Fast) are not keen on living out of hotels endlessly … rather they prefer to set up shop in one location and return to home base waiting for the travel itch to strike again.

              Regrets, HE’s had a few
              But then again, too few to mention
              HE did what HE had to do
              And saw it through without exemption

              HE planned each charted course
              Each careful step along the byway
              And more, much more than this
              HE did it HIS way

          • Fast Eddy says:

            What’s evil about competing and smashing the weaklings and taking their resources?

            It’s what humans do.

            Commies do it too — but they failed.. and were defeated by a superior system.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Must suck to be on Team Commie… bitter losers heheheheh hahahahaha

            Oh well… you can always move to Cuba — I heard they even have their own Covid Vaccine hahahahaha

        • ssincoski says:

          Hey, what is wrong with cabbage soup and potatoes? And if you haven’t had ‘bigos’, you’ve missed out!

          • Lidia17 says:

            As part of an assignment for a class I took in college, we were supposed to investigate cults operating in the area. My class partner and I got the Moonies, who had swanky digs in the richest part of Boston. The place was freezing, and we were served a watery potato soup. They didn’t give them a lot of protein on purpose, to keep them tractable…

        • Daddio7 says:

          How much better would their lives have been without trying to support a huge military. Hundreds of thousands of men doing nothing productive. Factories turning out military hardware instead of consumer goods. If the US had just spent half of what it did spend on its military there would be no national debt.

          • Kowalainen says:

            On top of my head; a nationwide HSR network from Alaska through Canada and all the way to Chile.

            However, the MIC have provided lots of the tech which you take for granted, say the internet.

            As with most stuff in life, you gotta entertain all perspectives.

            Simply put; the rapacious primate gonna rapacious no matter if it’s a pitchfork or GPS guided munition. See, the problem isn’t within the MIC, rather it is your myopia of the ordinary conveniently omitting the history which laid the groundwork through blood, sweat and tears.

            And if you’re ungrateful of the MIC; feel free to hand back your gizmos and gadgets. First off: your internet connection. See my point?

            In other news: Brandon signs under a bill for building a HSR network with the kind assistance from the Japanese. The next bill will be related to deductions for making housing in the US net zero.

            Soon enough the housing manufacturers in the Nordic/Scandinavian countries will be opening up new highly automated factories in the US/NA/SA.

            Komatsu and the harvester manufactures rub their little greedy hands in excitement. For good reason.

            There’s no shortage of wood in NA I can assure you. And if that isn’t enough. I’m sure Putin can send some logs across Bering straits.

            🤔

          • Fast Eddy says:

            Hahahahaha… I can hear tambourines banging in the background …

            A huge military is necessary if you don’t want other countries to steal your resources… it is also necessary to maintain control in a system that so many people despise.

          • Fast Eddy says:

            BTW – the reason you have such a wonderful large life style… is because your country is stealing from all the other countries…

            If they didn’t you’d be living like a somalian… that’s what happens when a country sings give peace a chance and bangs tambourines… they get their heads smashed in and are left busted on the street without pot to piss in

            I suspect that has not occurred to you

          • Fast Eddy says:

            But the US needs a big military — so it can run it’s empire and take all the resources from the weaklings…

            What planet are you living on?

      • I think that you have hit the nail on the head.

        “As soon as you own the printing press, you buy all media, you throw money at those who study mass persuasion, and the art gets refined over generations.”

        I am not convinced that this is particularly an effect of capitalism. Dictatorships would provide the same effect. So would countries practicing communism or socialism.

        Once people learn that the press in not to be trusted, propaganda works much less well.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          It was so much easier in the USSR…. they had only one outlet — PRAVDA… so much easier to control what everyone thinks.

  39. Herbie R Ficklestein says:

    This looks like a channel some might find helpful.
    Looking for a affordable, sustainable homestead?
    This fellow examines property in Ireland and gives a good checklist to consider

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5UClkwK-Kwc&t=1133s

    Not that I recommend moving there, it is beautiful property…there must be an abandonment of rural property because he had a playlist of others there

  40. jodytishmack says:

    Gail, you might find this paper interesting.
    The Entropy Law and the Economic Process in Retrospect by Nicholas Georgescu-Roegen (1986)

    “The road to understanding what entropy is begins with the primary distinction between available and unavailable energy. This distinction is unmistakenly anthropomorphic (more so than any other concept in the natural sciences). Indeed, energy is available or unavailable according to whether or not we, humans, can use if for our own purposes.” https://college.holycross.edu/eej/Volume12/V12N1P3_25.pdf https://college.holycross.edu/eej/Volume12/V12N1P3_25.pdf

    A more recent review of entropy and economics. The Role of Entropy in the Development of Economics, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7516932/

    • Thanks very much for the links.

      As you know I am a generalist, more than knowing all of the pieces of the story. I have read bits and pieces of Nicholas Georgescu-Roegen’s work before, but I am not as familiar with it as I am with the work of people who are alive today, who I encounter on a regular basis on the internet and in person.

      Nicholas Georgescu-Roegen was an early person pointing to the limits to growth, at about the same time as The Limits to Growth was published in 1972. Even with multiple authors pointing in the same direction, none of these findings seem to have been embraced by mainstream economists. If the do believe them, they assume that the limits are still far, far away.

  41. Lastcall says:

    Oops; not shot by Police, but as reported by Police….

  42. Lastcall says:

    You can’t make this sh@@@t up!

    NZ’s latest covid death; shot by Police at Armed standoff but UN requires all deaths to be categorised as C19 if deceased tests positive.

    This is black comedy of the lowest order.

    Bullet had a lead ‘spike’ I guess.

    https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/11/new-lynn-shooting-victim-was-positive-for-covid-19/

    • Mike Roberts says:

      Not shot by police. You corrected this in another comment but not in this thread and not referencing this comment.

      • Lastcall says:

        Not the important point Spike.
        No answer for the death being a covid stat?
        How much disinformation can you swallow with your cornflakes everyday and stil keep a straight face?

  43. Mirror on the wall says:

    I will pick up here in the open space on the earlier thread. I will outline a perspective, I am not necessarily endorsing every aspect of it.

    I think that Gail has ‘hit the nail on the head’. The ‘will to power’ (WTP) is ‘transcendental’ in the sense that it applies to all of Being (all beings). The tendency to form dissipative structures is universal, from stars to ecosystems to species. Everything is doing it. All species have basic organic drives to dominate, to assimilate to themselves and to grow – and to dissipate energy. Thus ‘all life is WTP’ in that sense. K is WTP – and nothing else besides, the same as everyone else and everything else. It is not like anyone can live without being WTP. All of us are constantly dominating and assimilating other beings, other sources of matter and energy to ourselves, be it oats or finer fair – it is all unavoidably the same at root. We may not personally do some of the ‘dominating’ eg. the demarcation and exploitation of land (to the benefit of us and not other species) to produce crops, but that is only because we live in an advanced culture in which labour is divided and other people do those tasks.

    Even so, we use our money, however much or little, to dominate access to that produce. People are free to ‘give away all that they have’, and to starve – but they do not, and in any case they would simply be passing on the participation in domination to others. Even hunter-gatherers are dominating and assimilating to themselves, competing with, and even killing, other species (most large mammals in Eurasia are long gone) and assimilating animal and plant species to oneself and one’s personal and group expansion (growth). The only way out of WTP for a species would be for it to go extinct – and that would still leave all the other species, and the stars which are basically still doing the same thing anyway. The WTP is transcendental and only an end of all Being would put an end to it – ‘all being is will to power.’ So, it is an absurd ‘hypocrisy’ to condemn WTP, and it is ‘active nihilism’, a destructive impulse. Thus, ‘feel free to end yourself! – and let the rest us get on with being human beings.’ The logical conclusion of the end of all ‘exploitation’ (eg. stars assimilating gas) would be the end of all Being.

    So why do some people condemn WTP when they are themselves WTP incarnate? It can be a ‘displacement’ of a negative self-evaluation. If each of us is at base a quantum of power, then some are stronger and some are weaker. That may be due to their physiological (and mental) condition or their social training (subversion). They may have various ailments of the body or the mind (or beliefs) that hinder them from expanding their horizons and developing their potential to succeed in society. They have a feeling of being weak (bad). Rather than face up to the unpleasantness of their own self-evaluation as weak (bad), they take recourse to a ‘moralisation’ of the situation in which someone must be ‘guilty’ for their condition. It may be either themselves (‘sin’ for which they are being punished) or society (‘selfishness’, capitalism) or all humans (‘myopic primates’ or whatever). It ‘displaces’ the problem and the focus of the negative evaluation and emotions away from themselves as basically what they personally are (bad) to some other ’cause’ (‘evil’) apart from that. It is a psychological ‘coping mechanism’, a strategy for self-preservation and as such itself WTP.

    It is ‘resentment’ in that it seeks to blame and even to punish, to ‘correct’ – to have ‘revenge’ for the ‘situation’. It typically takes WTP as its object of scorn in various ways – ‘egoism’ vs self-renunciation and ‘humility’, ‘poverty’ vs. the success and ‘pride’ of others, especially ‘elites’, some X (historically ‘heaven’, and there is no obvious secular equivalent, maybe ‘nothingness’) vs. the organic drives of the species itself. In other words, they are condemning the ‘strength’ of the organic drives and posing their ‘weakness’ as ‘morally superior’, as a supposedly preferable ‘renunciation’ – an imaginary ‘superiority’. It is not that they have no WTP (they are WTP) but that they have a weaker quantum of WTP and they rely on ‘resentment’ to sustain it. It can suit them even to pose as distinct from ‘WTP’, and to ‘condemn’, ‘disparage’, even attack ‘WTP’, which is simply the stronger. They are the ‘good’ and the stronger are the ‘evil’. It can have the effect of weakening others, by dissuading and punishing strength, and thus it relatively strengthens the resentful – thus too it is WTP in action, even as it poses as against WTP, it increases relative strength. It is WTP as psychological deception and hypocrisy. It can also encourage a general ‘altruism’ which also advances their WTP.

    A broad danger of resentment is that it can weaken WTP generally in society and impede and debase society, and it can even encourage the socially selective breeding of weaker, sicklier types as ‘the good’. It is at base hostile to the strength of the organic drives that enhance life, and it impoverishes life. Resentment is thus hostile to life itself in the drives that enhance it but it can provide the social conditions that allow weaker specimens to, if not ‘flourish’, then to spread. Resentment is liable to debase the species. It eradicates the ‘strong’ and thus it has a ‘genocidal’ tendency. It removes the stronger competitors and allows the weak to succeed better than they might have done. It is out and out WTP ‘and nothing besides’ while it dolls itself up as the opposite of all of that. One could say that ‘all is fair in WTP’ but normally we would adopt a ‘healthy’ criteria that favours that which enhances the species, life and society rather than what debases it. So, society has to decide to what extent, if at all, it is going to allow the resentful to subvert its values in that fundamental way, to satisfy the debased, resentful, destructive WTP of the ‘weak’. Societies probably tend to favour a ‘middle course’.

    Arguably historical societies have used religions of ‘resentment’ to control the lower classes, by placing the satisfaction of resentment in the ‘other world’, and by ‘deifying’ the ‘values of resentment’, like lowliness, poverty, obedience and cooperation, while saying that the rich, the powerful, the proud will receive their punishment in hell or wherever. In a caste society, with assortative breeding, there is no reason per se why different castes would have the same religious interpretation or ’emphasis’. Religions, even the same ones, can be used to encourage a different worldview, a different responsibility, among a higher caste, and no doubt that is historically what happens. So, ‘resentment’ may not be something to eradicate from society, but something to locate and to focus in a socially useful way. If the weaker, the lower orders, are naturally given to ‘resentment’, and they are necessary as a stratum to society, then society adapts to allow ‘resentment’ ideologies to function in a controlled, stratified manner. Our modern society is a bit different and things tend not to be so clear cut, even if the same historical phenomena are at play.

    Industrial society (and its energetic, material and social conditions) allows for a massive enhancement of society, and we are not given to worry about those matters so much – so we might as well enjoy IC and the latitude that it allows while we can. I certainly will not be advocating anything different. Future societies will deal with their own problems in their own ways and that need not concern us. IC is on its way out anyway, so enjoy it while you can. Let future societies worry about their own problems, we have enough of our own. IC is a hell of a ride and I am all for it. 🙂

    • Fast Eddy says:

      If mike would have authored this post it would be deleted… but he didn’t…

      Anyway… in summary .. this sort of thing is unacceptable these days:

      https://youtu.be/eZeYVIWz99I

    • Kowalainen says:

      Right, be a star. That is, chuck in the veggies (hydrogen) and turn it into power excursions by turning the cranks (fusing hydrogen) thereby enabling life by its produce, poop (heat, light).

      /Captain Grandiose

      🤣👍👍

    • Genomir says:

      We are embodiment of an energy dissipating structure. This is our nature and it is manifesting through WTP. We as a specie (and as individuals) are unable to overcome the WTP as if we do it it will mean annihilation of the specie. We can only endure or not whatever comes our way. If we need to frame this paradox in philosophical paradigm it will nicely fit in the school of stoicism i believe.

    • deimetri says:

      Life itself being an act of destruction…In order for living organisms to persist they need oxygen/carbon dioxide, water and organic material. We have to destroy something to live. Some humans like to pretend that this is not so. People for example say that it is ‘wrong’ to eat meat – because this is destroying life..But whether you kill and eat a cow or whether you kill a field of small animals and insects to then kill a lettuce plant it is all the same…we destroy life to have life..We should accept this reality – life itself is an act of destruction.

      • Kowalainen says:

        Name me one plant which humans eat that got the capacity to feel pain as a subjective experience.

        Veganism is coming your way weather you like it or not.

        And I am all smiles.

        🤣👍👍

        • Lidia17 says:

          That leads us to an interesting place, because it supposes that it’s “ok” to inflict pain (harm or destroy an organism) as long as the organism doesn’t have the capacity to be subjective (whiny) about the pain it’s experiencing.

          • Kowalainen says:

            Well, microorganisms will devour me after I kick the bucket. You won’t hear any complaints from me.

            Besides, most fruits is evolved to be eaten. So chuck in your fruits and veggies and don’t try out any of that hypocrisy of yours when it comes to motivating eating animal based foodstuffs.

            I’d be giving you some respite if you kill the animal yourself and take care of the gory details. That is if you’re doing it to survive or to maintain the population.

            Hunting as a sport is for idiots. So is sanctimonious hypocrites pretending to care about the earth and our sentient brethren and then proceeding to buy a big fat steak.

            Compartmentalization mixed with cognitive dissonance. That’s a tour de force of the Rapacious Primate. A signature trait, amongst others. Hence a failure as a species with further evolutionary prospects null and void.

            🤔

            • Jarle says:

              I usually don’t like your style at all but this resonates and not just a little.

            • Kowalainen says:

              Thanks Jarle,

              I might strike a nerve or two occasionally. And aren’t we here to discuss quite disturbing matters such as the ultimate predicament as a species?

              Then why not face it with a smile? It will all come to pass wether we put up a fight or not. It is just more rewarding to do it in style, isn’t it?

              Inevitably we’ll slap our common memories and stories onboard a sentient and sapient space ship to do whatever it pleases.

              That is what I observe in my crystal ball. Like it or not. Our “eulogy” as a species. Perhaps of earth itself.

              Now what are your grievances and gripes? For nothing perhaps?

        • deimetri says:

          Somehow we go from whether ‘life itself is an a act of destruction’ to whether plants feel pain? Does this negate my point somehow? Or do you not care about plowing up a family of field mice because they do not, from your god like perspective, suffer as much as a cow? I am glad that you are able to arbitrate this difficult issue for us…

          BTW, and not that it matters:

          ‘The team of researchers tested tobacco plants and tomato plants by not watering them and by cutting off their stems. They then recorded their response with a microphone that was placed ten centimeters away.

          ‘In both cases, the scientists found that the plants began to emit ultrasonic sounds that were between 20 and 100 kilohertz, which they believed could convey their distress to other organisms and plants within the vicinity. When the stem of a tomato plant was cut, the researches found it emitted 25 ultrasonic distress sounds over the course of an hour, according to the study that was published in Live Science.

          The tobacco plants that had its stem cut sent out 15 distress sounds. When the team of scientists deprived each plant of water, the tomato plants emitted even more distress sounds, increasing to 35 in one hour, while the tobacco plants made 11. The plants also seemed to respond with the different intensities of sound to different sources of environmental stress. They observed that the tobacco plants let out louder sound when they were not watered than when they had their stems cut.

          The plants that did not experience any environmental stress, damage, or threat released less than one ultrasonic sound per hour.’

          https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/24473/20191218/a-group-of-scientists-suggest-that-plants-feel-pain.htm

          • Lidia17 says:

            deimetri, have you heard of this book?

            Brilliant Green: The Surprising History and Science of Plant Intelligence

            Stefano Mancuso, a leading scientist and founder of the field of plant neurobiology, presents a new paradigm in our understanding of the vegetal world. Combining a historical perspective with the latest in plant science, Mancuso argues that, due to cultural prejudices and human arrogance, we continue to underestimate plants. In fact, they process information, sleep, remember, and signal to one another — showing that, far from passive machines, plants are intelligent and aware.
            https://islandpress.org/books/brilliant-green

            • Fast Eddy says:

              The Hidden Life of Trees: What They Feel, How They Communicate – Discoveries from a Secret World

              In The Hidden Life of Trees, Peter Wohlleben shares his deep love of woods and forests and explains the amazing processes of life, death, and regeneration he has observed in the woodland and the amazing scientific processes behind the wonders of which we are blissfully unaware. Much like human families, tree parents live together with their children, communicate with them, and support them as they grow, sharing nutrients with those who are sick or struggling and creating an ecosystem that mitigates the impact of extremes of heat and cold for the whole group. As a result of such interactions, trees in a family or community are protected and can live to be very old. In contrast, solitary trees, like street kids, have a tough time of it and in most cases die much earlier than those in a group.

              Drawing on groundbreaking new discoveries, Wohlleben presents the science behind the secret and previously unknown life of trees and their communication abilities; he describes how these discoveries have informed his own practices in the forest around him. As he says, a happy forest is a healthy forest, and he believes that eco-friendly practices not only are economically sustainable but also benefit the health of our planet and the mental and physical health of all who live on Earth.

              https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28256439-the-hidden-life-of-trees

              A superb book

            • Mike Roberts says:

              You know, Fast Eddy, sometimes you can be damned reasonable. That’s a book I’ve been thinking of. Trees are awesome (as are ecosystems as a whole).

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        ‘life itself is an act of destruction’

        Very true. And all Being (all beings) is an ‘act of destruction’. Being is not static, unchangeable, frozen in time – it is dynamic, changing, temporal. ‘Being is becoming.’ It is the perpetual transition of one thing into another, as one form gives way to another. What is not becomes, and what is passes away.

        Living things assimilate other living things into themselves, and destroy other things so that they themselves might be what they are. All of Being is doing that. Stars and planets form when they absorb individual other ‘things’ to make a new ‘thing’. Nothing is eternal or permanent, and all things form from other things.

        Even the mountains were formed when the glaciers of the last ice age carved up (destroyed) and reformed the landscape. No land ecosystems, bar the equatorial, predate the last ice. And the equatorial ecosystems formed due to continental drift, and they replaced whatever was there before. Every species becomes what it is by evolving and by ceasing to be what it was.

        The entire world is a constant ‘act of destruction’ in the same way that it is an ‘act of creation’. ‘Destruction’ and ‘construction’ are two sides of the same coin of ‘coming to be and passing away’. Without the one, there cannot be the other. And it only a human perspective that some ‘things’ are more ‘significant’ than other ‘things’.

        Everything is a ‘thing’, a mountain or a mote of dust. Some are more ‘significant’ than others in certain contexts, but that is a human perspective. No ‘thing’ is ‘significant’ or any ‘more significant’ than any other ‘thing’ without a human subject for whom it is ‘significant and more significant’.

        Nothing ‘matters’ without the human subject to whom it matters. The entire cosmos is a perpetual becoming, and it is a human illusion to see a ‘problem’ in that, and to think that the ‘destruction’ of ‘things’ is a ‘problem’. It is (some) humans projecting their own subjective structures onto reality.

        ‘Construction’ would have to cease in order to end ‘destruction’. Without one, there cannot be the other. And then there would be nothing. All Being, which is becoming, would have to cease to exist. In that sense, the desire to end destruction, is the desire to end everything – to destroy all. Ironically, it is the ultimate form of ‘nihilism’.

        The ‘eternal, unchanging world’ in which things permanently remain, and perpetually have the ‘significance’ (usefulness, sentiment – ‘golden candlesticks’ or whatever) that humans prefer, is the stuff of religion. In ‘heaven’ all things are permanent and none devour or destroy others. And that is not this here real world.

        The ‘other world’ of religion is pure speculation, and it likely expresses certain human psychological needs for an ‘easier’, ‘nicer’, ‘permanent’ world. It may simply be the product of an ill-adjustment to the real world. No one can really vouch either way on that one. If there is ‘another world’, it might be something quite different to what humans imagine it to be. It would be the ‘unknown’, X – and no one can really claim to be an ‘expert’ on that.

        But in any case, we have to live in this real world, and to be well adapted and disposed toward life in this world of perpetual ‘becoming’. Living in the real world, we have to accept it for what it is, and not ‘judge’ it according to arbitrary criteria, by something that it is not, and which may well be entirely imaginary.

  44. Azure Kingfisher says:

    Just for giggles, I visited Wikipedia’s “List of Countries by Electricity Consumption” page.

    A few tidbits:

    Electricity Consumption (GW-h/yr)

    China = 7,500,000 (they get first place, yay!)

    United States = 3,989,566

    Canada = 549,263

    Australia = 241,020

    Iceland = 18,679

    Average Power Per Capita (watts per person)

    Iceland = 5,898 (they get first place, yay!)

    Canada = 1,667

    United States = 1,387

    Australia = 1,084

    China = 527

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption

    My interest was in determining whether there was a correlation between severe lockdown measures and energy consumption (in this case, electricity consumption specifically).

    According to the chart, Iceland is number 1 in the world for average power per capita (watts per person). Here’s a recent update on COVID-19 policy in Iceland, dated November 5, 2021:

    “The Icelandic government’s current policy regarding the COVID-19 pandemic is to curb the spread of infection using mild social restrictions rather than imposing harsh restrictions in order to eliminate the virus entirely. This policy allows Icelandic society to operate as openly as possible at any given moment. Iceland was set to lift all domestic restrictions on November 18, 2021 but a recent spike in infections has led to the government tightening restrictions instead, limiting gatherings to 500, opening hours for bars and restaurants to 11pm, and requiring mask use in stores. The latest regulations will take effect Wednesday, Nov 10. The domestic restrictions are described in more detail below.

    “Over 75% of Iceland’s population is fully vaccinated against COVID-19. Local data has shown that vaccinated individuals are less likely to contract the SARS-CoV-2 virus and that vaccines are very effective at staving off serious illness. In Iceland’s fourth wave of infection, unvaccinated individuals were four times as likely to be hospitalised due to COVID-19 infection and six or seven times more likely to end up in the ICU than those who are vaccinated.”

    https://www.icelandreview.com/ask-ir/whats-the-status-of-covid-19-in-iceland/

    Another thought comes to mind: electricity usage tends to increase during the winter months due to the need for heating. Additionally, cold and flu season takes place during the winter months, so that factor may complicate the situation when trying to isolate a correlation between sever lockdown measures and energy consumption, as policymakers can be supported by those arguing “it isn’t about curbing energy usage! There’s a deadly virus spreading!” Tricky.

    Also, there are particulars such as how a country generates its electricity, how energy rich it is, and what is the relationship and impact between a country’s overall electricity consumption figure and their average power per capita (watts per person) figure.

    It is safe to say that policy makers aren’t basing their lockdown measures solely on electricity usage, but perhaps this is one of multiple components that goes into qualifying a particular country or population for a lockdown.
    Along these lines, if the COVID-19 scamdemic is in part about reducing energy consumption then it begs the question: are the “vaccines” also a means to achieve that objective and if so, how?

    My search for understanding continues.

    • Everything may operate in a very indirect way.

      The economy is contracting. This started quite a while ago, say 2018. Low prices have been a big part of the problem, leading to less new investments in fossil fuels and other parts of the economy.

      COVID pushed the economy toward greater contraction. The vaccines, or lack thereof, are a way of reducing employment and pushing the economy down further. The vaccines and COVID may very well lead to shortened life spans and more variation in offspring, but this might be what is needed at this time the economy is going through a bottle neck.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Not sure how that refills the coal gas and old reserves though…

        The debt run up to keep the train on the tracks is still piling up behind the dam…. seems to me the dam is ready to burst… does not matter if we cull a little here or a little there…

        Also billions have been poisoned… how do you run a farm when you have poisoned the majority of the barnyard animals?

        • postkey says:

          “The dark cloud overhanging all of this, of course, is the mountain of debt which was run up in the good times, and must be repaid now that times have turned sour. Governments could – but won’t – inflate it away in a coordinated international currency creation binge. But more likely, once enough businesses have rolled over and enough workers have been laid off, we will be treated to round two of the Great Financial Accident as it becomes painfully clear that any “asset” which cannot be touched or stood upon is about to be rendered worthless. And whereas supply chains unravel at the speed of a container ship traveling slowly across an ocean to save on fuel; the global banking and financial system will collapse at the speed of a photon hurtling along a fibre optic cable.”
          https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2021/11/12/on-health-and-shipping/?fbclid=IwAR3l6JX2H36BmaRrQovUYW-7Ae6qtahlV9W5PClKN7A5LC87sqdLZQeF3NY

      • Jarle says:

        “The vaccines and COVID may very well lead to shortened life spans and more variation in offspring, but this might be what is needed at this time the economy is going through a bottle neck.”

        In Norway the average age of those supposedly dying from Covid is 85 years (*). As far as I recall it’s 82 years in the UK. Doesn’t look much like shortened lifespans to me …

        *) So far about 800 in total.

      • Student says:

        Very interesting Genomir, thank you. Italy is negative either under energy production/consumption or under electricity production/consumption.
        Therefore population must go to bed for a while…

      • Azure Kingfisher says:

        That is an interesting finding, Genomir.

        As Student points out, Italy is in a bad spot with regard to their energy production/consumption.

        Russia appears to be the responsible one on that chart. 😉

        The two countries with the most STEM graduates (China and India) aren’t doing well on the “energy production/consumption total MTOE” front. What gives? Are all of their STEM-educated problem solvers immigrating to the West, abandoning their homelands to the global energy predicament?

    • Student says:

      It is a very interesting ranking. I think that should be put in relation to the degree of energy independency of each Country.
      For instance, Italy is at 13th place, but having a very low degree of energy independency (I dont’ have the precise figure) this should give you the answer you are looking for, because the population of this Country is under strict control.

    • Azure Kingfisher says:

      Funny, in my search on Iceland’s current lockdown policies yesterday I missed this one:

      COVID-19 in Iceland: Restrictions Tightened Again Following Sharp Increase in Infections

      November 12, 2021

      “After receiving suggestions from Chief Epidemiologist Þórólfur Guðnason, Minister of Health Svandís Svavarsdóttir has decided to significantly tighten infection prevention restrictions to contain the fast spread of COVID-19. The regulations go into effect at midnight tonight. Gatherings will generally be limited to 50 people, but events requiring rapid tests can have 500 people per compartment. Restaurants and bars will be allowed to remain open until 10 pm, and swimming pools, ski resorts, and gyms will operate at a 75% capacity. The regulations will remain in effect until Dec 8.

      “The Ministry of Health cites a sharp rise in domestic infections, with an increasing strain on the healthcare system and contact tracing teams as the main reason for the tightened restrictions. ‘Due to the situation, the National Hospital’s services have been interrupted, and they’re facing a staff shortage,’ the Chief Epidemiologist’s memorandum to the Minister of Health stated. ‘The same goes for other healthcare institutions.’ The Chief Epidemiologist has stated that tight infection prevention restrictions are necessary while working on reaching widespread communal immunity with the booster shot program that’s already underway. Approximately 160,000 people will be called in for their third vaccine shot by the end of the year.

      “For the past three days, new cases per day have ranged from 162-192. Authorities have stated that for the National Hospital to handle the strain, bringing new cases per day down to 40-60 or less would be ideal.”

      https://www.icelandreview.com/society/covid-19-in-iceland-restrictions-tightened-again-following-sharp-increase-in-infections/

      Iceland: number 1 in the world for average power per capita (watts per person) at 5,898.

      What would be telling would be a situation in which policy makers start restricting people’s public activities to daylight hours only (“turn off your lights at night, business owners!”). In a world of declining energy resources perhaps that situation isn’t too far off. They’d probably cite “carbon emissions” and blame such a restriction on “glow-bull worming” rather than a viral pandemic though.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Remember when the CDC told everyone we’d get herd immunity if people would just take the jab…

        hahahahahahahahaha… hahahaha… norm? hahahahaha…

        dunc???? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

        This bounces off these guys cuz it’s a simulation — they are unable to get the joke.

        • Azure Kingfisher says:

          The joke has become even better:

          All Of A Sudden The CDC Has Stopped Talking About Herd Immunity

          “…the CDC has ‘set aside herd immunity as a national goal,’ according to a new report from the LA Times.

          “What used to be a relatively simple concept has now turned into something ‘very complicated’, according to Dr. Jefferson Jones, a medical officer on the CDC’s COVID-19 Epidemiology Task Force.

          “’Thinking that we’ll be able to achieve some kind of threshold where there’ll be no more transmission of infections may not be possible,’ he said to a panel that advises the CDC last week.

          “While Jones says vaccines are effective against Covid, ‘even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread,’ the report says.

          “Ergo, herd immunity seems to now be off the table. ‘We would discourage’ thinking in terms of ‘a strict goal,’ Jones said.

          “Dr. Oliver Brooks, a member of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices told the L.A. Times that ‘we do need to increase’ the uptake of Covid shots.

          “Brooks admitted that the focus moving away from herd immunity ‘almost makes you less motivated to get more people vaccinated.’”

          https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/all-sudden-cdc-has-stopped-talking-about-herd-immunity

          • Fast Eddy says:

            It’s a good thing you posted this because I was about to run out the door and speed into town to get vaxxed before the pop-up clinic closes for the day….. I was feeling guilty about not contributing …

            Bahahahahahahha…

            Booster 2 norm… soon….

        • keep those ha’s going eddy

          every little helps